1 00:00:12,990 --> 00:00:17,880 FAQs with Adam curry for October 28 2019. This is episode number 2 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:28,650 13 just had to wait for the drums to drop. Hey Moe, how you 3 00:00:28,650 --> 00:00:29,040 doing? 4 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,140 I'm doing good Adam, how about yourself? 5 00:00:31,170 --> 00:00:33,840 Nothing like starting to show off a little Kanye a little 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,760 Yeezy for y'all. Oh yeah, easy. Listen to this man. Listen, it's 7 00:00:40,590 --> 00:00:47,400 so loud. Love that love that song. Fantastic. Yeah. So I kind 8 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,200 of know what we're gonna do today, which is nice. 9 00:00:49,860 --> 00:00:53,250 Yeah, so by the songs a dead giveaway, we're gonna talk about 10 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:59,700 Kanye West. But we're gonna do is get Kanye West His justice by 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,180 looking at the dynamic personality that he is. Ah, I 12 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:11,010 liken him to being the black Donald Trump. Oh, interesting. 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,660 Okay, yeah. That reason why I say that is one, he's gonna be 14 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:19,650 somebody that we talk about decades from now. He's just one 15 00:01:19,650 --> 00:01:25,290 of those people. And two, they have this independence about 16 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:29,520 themselves. That really rubs the establishment the wrong way. 17 00:01:30,330 --> 00:01:35,520 Yes. And since you've made the comparison up front. Kanye is 18 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,690 like several people who I really, really, really like a 19 00:01:39,690 --> 00:01:44,010 lot. And that's the reason I like him is because of what 20 00:01:44,010 --> 00:01:48,180 they're saying, overall. But as I'm now a little bit older, I 21 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:53,760 understand that not only is nobody perfect, but these great 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,210 people will say fantastic things, and then sometimes the 23 00:01:57,210 --> 00:02:02,160 most idiotic, stupid or perhaps incomprehensible things. But 24 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,180 that's exactly what I like about them is, it's the imperfections 25 00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:09,420 that make it so beautiful. And yeah, I would put him I would 26 00:02:09,420 --> 00:02:13,200 put Trump in the same category. Absolutely. This more people not 27 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:16,650 not as famous, but we're just they just say it and they they 28 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,170 speak their, their heart, their mind. And sometimes it's, you 29 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:26,040 know, like me, I have that I say all kinds of stupid shit. And 30 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,430 omit amidst the brilliance of course, 31 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:33,630 of course, I feel like I'm the same way with I don't have that 32 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:40,560 filter, or that filter is very pores. That right? The truth 33 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,860 comes out and in the clip byte world that we live in, is what's 34 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:51,480 refreshing to have these kinds of individuals. And then to, as 35 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,900 you said, that the way they say certain things that can be 36 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,120 clipped to sound like idiots. 37 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,500 Yes, very easily. 38 00:02:59,190 --> 00:03:06,210 So what I want to do with this show is to give some deep 39 00:03:06,210 --> 00:03:11,520 diving, deep diving view, look into Kanye, and what he's meant 40 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:18,990 to, quote unquote, black people, and how the media has warped him 41 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:25,440 his his, what he is into what they want him to be, and a 42 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,040 perfect example. Well, he just came out with a recent album 43 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:34,920 called Jesus is King. Yes. And this is a whole new, it's kind 44 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,570 of like, he's come back around to where he started. Oh, I've 45 00:03:39,570 --> 00:03:44,250 always said that Kanye West cannot be canceled. Because he 46 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:49,200 made Jesus walks. He is bulletproof. I've said that from 47 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,240 day one. He has a certain tie with his fans. He has a certain 48 00:03:54,270 --> 00:04:00,030 equity, that he can defeat canceled culture. So we're gonna 49 00:04:00,030 --> 00:04:05,910 get right into these clips. And I have isol just a show. From I 50 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:09,930 was on social media, looking at how people clip things, and I 51 00:04:09,930 --> 00:04:13,650 have ISOs showing how if you just take a small soundbite of 52 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:16,470 Kanye West, he gets like a complete idiot. 53 00:04:16,949 --> 00:04:21,899 And I'm the one who are you eat fish sticks? Cuz I have skinny 54 00:04:21,899 --> 00:04:22,289 jeans 55 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,580 fair warning in preparation for the show. I did watch the 56 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:34,440 interview. Did your deconstructing here I also 57 00:04:35,070 --> 00:04:39,930 listened to the album. So I come prepared to the show. But yes, 58 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,590 this is exactly when I heard him say that I had the same thought. 59 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:46,410 I'm like, Oh, there you go. There's your clip. Put that out 60 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:47,460 there nut job. 61 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,500 Yeah, you eat fish things because I wear skinny jeans. 62 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:59,400 Exactly. Um, so just a warning for people to have young people 63 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,450 that listen to The show oh this will have some adult content in 64 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:06,810 it just because of who we're dealing with. But not too much. 65 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,380 I tried to clip out as much as possible which would make this 66 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:11,850 show very labor intensive. 67 00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:16,050 Do you have another way that you cut out all the bad words? 68 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:20,099 No, I didn't cut all the bad words I tried to keep context to 69 00:05:20,099 --> 00:05:24,059 the clip without including the bad words. Okay, so All right, I 70 00:05:24,059 --> 00:05:28,889 didn't I didn't edit it anyway to where I edited what he said I 71 00:05:28,889 --> 00:05:33,869 just tried to clip either before or after. Now, just keep the 72 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:36,209 because I want to make it a family friendly show you know? 73 00:05:37,289 --> 00:05:39,419 Because we it is our edutainment. 74 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:43,650 edutainment infotainment Here we go. 75 00:05:43,950 --> 00:05:51,210 Yes. So before we dive right in, I want I have one more. I so and 76 00:05:51,210 --> 00:05:54,510 this is what poeple the one the pitch deck when I made myself 77 00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:57,240 but this was the one that was floating around on the on the 78 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:57,900 socials 79 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:00,300 rappers be talking about I got you a bit astrograph Got your 80 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:06,750 bid is Greg. Gotcha. I'm sorry. I know. My Christian scorecard 81 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:09,150 just went down for using a profanity, a profane piece of 82 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:15,540 language. You ain't got your Instagram get all y'all. Could 83 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:17,790 they go do it for the gram before they do it. You they go 84 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:20,400 for they send it to you. 85 00:06:20,970 --> 00:06:25,860 Yeah, I actually understood this when he said it. Yes, I speak a 86 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:27,390 little Kanye little Yeezy. 87 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:31,650 Yeah, so this is the one that made his rounds on social as a 88 00:06:31,650 --> 00:06:38,490 as a meme. So before we get into where it Kanye is right now, as 89 00:06:38,490 --> 00:06:43,230 you always know, I like to go backwards to give proper context 90 00:06:43,590 --> 00:06:48,030 to where we are. Yes. So for a lot of our listeners, we they 91 00:06:48,030 --> 00:06:52,920 may have not followed the path of Kanye West, I can say I have 92 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:58,530 been a Kanye West. I don't use the word fan. But follower. If 93 00:06:58,530 --> 00:07:02,730 you want to say at the age I was I was a fan. And what I mean by 94 00:07:02,730 --> 00:07:09,150 that is, I want to say 2001 Maybe. So just to date myself 95 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:13,530 that made me about 21 years old. This is when Kanye West was not 96 00:07:13,530 --> 00:07:18,750 heard of and he was only making beats on other people's albums. 97 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:24,240 Right? I take I took a liking to his music. So much so that it 98 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,680 affects me. If people don't know I make music also, if you go to 99 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,270 mo fx.com You can hear so my music but he had that kind of 100 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:36,930 impact on me. So I've been through this whole journey with 101 00:07:36,930 --> 00:07:41,340 him from day one. And I what I mean and I truly mean day one 102 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:44,190 before he even even before I even knew what he looked like, 103 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:48,810 only knew his music. But what made him crack come crashing 104 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:57,330 into maybe mainstream media was his back on his comment. George 105 00:07:57,330 --> 00:07:59,490 Bush doesn't care about black people. 106 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,920 George Bush doesn't care about black people. 107 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:07,950 I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant. Even as 108 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:12,390 he stumbled toward his self expression. He was nervous after 109 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:15,600 all, he's going off script. George Bush doesn't care 110 00:08:15,630 --> 00:08:16,620 about black people. 111 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:22,980 He was his comment was wonderful. You can see if you 112 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:26,820 really look at it, he's like, I'm gonna say something, say 113 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:30,330 something. And I'm sure he's trying to think of something 114 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,080 eloquent and wonderful. And politically astute. 115 00:08:34,589 --> 00:08:37,739 George Bush doesn't care about black people. When I went up to 116 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,109 NBC, I hadn't planned to make a statement. I didn't know what I 117 00:08:40,109 --> 00:08:42,539 was gonna do. I read, but they wanted me to read and I felt 118 00:08:42,539 --> 00:08:46,559 like, you know, at practice, I read a teleprompter. And I felt 119 00:08:46,589 --> 00:08:48,959 like it wasn't heartfelt enough. So I knew I was gonna speak from 120 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:52,499 my heart. Don't put me in front of the camera if you don't want 121 00:08:52,499 --> 00:08:53,639 me to say hi, Phil. 122 00:08:54,030 --> 00:08:57,990 And he said George Bush doesn't care about black people. Now the 123 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:00,810 amazing thing was to turn to Mike Myers, who was sitting 124 00:09:00,810 --> 00:09:04,920 there like a deer caught in the headlights. Mr. Mike Myers, Dr. 125 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:10,980 Evil couldn't even utter a word in articulate rendered mum. And 126 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:11,610 numb 127 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:17,130 after I said it. Just everyone in the room was polarized. And 128 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:21,240 like, it's kind of like I had to show myself to the elevator. And 129 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,710 my eyes looked at me say, Oh, it is what it is. And it was a bar 130 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,120 right across the street from here. We're going to go have 131 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,250 drinks right afterwards, because it's one of those ones, you 132 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:35,490 know, where you do something like Oh, shit, this might be the 133 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:36,780 last trick we ever have. 134 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,010 My reaction was a he's talking to a lot of us. A lot of us felt 135 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:44,790 that Bush did like black people. And I was happy because in it. 136 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:47,910 I've been very critical. A lot of the hip hop artists who have 137 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:51,000 said nothing irrelevant in many ways have said a lot of 138 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,300 destructive things. I thought it was a breath of fresh air and at 139 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:57,300 least somebody said something constructive and stood up for 140 00:09:57,300 --> 00:09:57,840 their people. 141 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Well, when I was up there I wasn't concerned about record 142 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:06,450 sales. I wasn't concerned about sponsorships about losing any 143 00:10:06,450 --> 00:10:12,510 sponsorships, which I mean, we did. But I was more concerned 144 00:10:12,510 --> 00:10:15,360 about, you know, if I was 145 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:19,710 in these people's shoes. Now I remember this moment very well, 146 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:23,490 because this was the moment that Kanye came into my life. I know 147 00:10:23,490 --> 00:10:27,450 that sounds pretty weird, but I mean it that way. And I think it 148 00:10:27,450 --> 00:10:32,190 was the Hurricane Katrina benefit show. And I remember I 149 00:10:32,190 --> 00:10:35,730 remember because Bon Jovi was part of getting it together. And 150 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:38,880 I remember thinking, listen, douchebags, why don't you just 151 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,120 take all your money and go do something there? And then I 152 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,840 remember Kanye said that and I went, Holy shit, this is great. 153 00:10:47,610 --> 00:10:52,380 It just blew me what I loved it from the oh, now there's a brave 154 00:10:52,380 --> 00:10:55,200 guy. I thought it was fantastic at the time. 155 00:10:56,580 --> 00:11:01,980 And this may have come crashing into a mainstream celebrity. 156 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:06,600 This is the one that did it. And he greatly ingratiate himself 157 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,160 with black people to the point he had already given us. Jesus. 158 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:13,320 Jesus walks. 159 00:11:14,910 --> 00:11:17,820 I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to say that because this is 160 00:11:17,820 --> 00:11:22,140 all about our perspectives. From my perspective, of course, I'm 161 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:24,990 not black, so I wasn't like yeah, go black. But I was 162 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:29,370 thinking, screw you elites. That's that is what it said to 163 00:11:29,370 --> 00:11:34,320 me is screw you with your stupid telethon bowl crap. You know, 164 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,230 this whole thing is just a farce. That's, that's what it 165 00:11:37,230 --> 00:11:40,770 how it came across to me. And I really like that. 166 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,260 And let's put some perspective on this. Because at this time, 167 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:51,060 George Bush is what Donald Trump is now hated. So it was the 168 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:56,520 Liberals ate it up. And who would have thought fast forward? 169 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,110 How many years it is now? 10, George Bush would be hanging out 170 00:12:01,110 --> 00:12:07,350 with Ellen and hug while Michelle Obama and Kaya with me 171 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:10,830 facing capsulation from black people who would have ever 172 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:14,010 thought in a parallel universe that could even be a reality. 173 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,240 It's a wonderful day 174 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,590 in the neighborhood. Nuts. Yeah, you're so right. You're so 175 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:19,830 right, 176 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:23,280 that just that just goes to show you how fast things can change. 177 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:28,920 And people can fall out of favor with with their, quote unquote 178 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:36,420 fans. So as we continue on to the historical path of one Mr. 179 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:41,430 Kanye West, we have to look at the kids parallel or his 180 00:12:41,430 --> 00:12:44,430 interactions with one other president not being Donald 181 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:46,800 Trump, that being Barack Obama, 182 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:51,029 above the acts of Justin hunt, this is the breakdown. This is 183 00:12:51,029 --> 00:12:54,569 dope to think about. For the past eight years hip hop has 184 00:12:54,569 --> 00:12:57,959 been welcomed in the White House. President Barack Obama 185 00:12:57,959 --> 00:13:01,679 embraced the culture throughout his two terms fist bumping, 186 00:13:01,889 --> 00:13:05,009 dusting his shoulders off on the campaign trail, shaking hands 187 00:13:05,009 --> 00:13:08,729 with Kendrick Lamar in the Oval Office, Jay and Beyonce might as 188 00:13:08,729 --> 00:13:11,849 well have been a part of his administration. I mean, every 189 00:13:11,849 --> 00:13:14,429 week, it seems like there's a new turn up at the White House 190 00:13:14,429 --> 00:13:18,419 featuring all of our favorite MCs. But what's most interesting 191 00:13:18,419 --> 00:13:21,389 to me as watching the relationship between President 192 00:13:21,389 --> 00:13:24,419 Obama and Kanye West, play out publicly. 193 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:26,100 Amen. Fist bump. 194 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,170 That's right, man. I remember Hey, the Presby fist bump. And 195 00:13:31,170 --> 00:13:31,980 that's pretty cool. 196 00:13:32,580 --> 00:13:40,590 Yeah, given dapping you know? Yeah. Yeah. So they are, in a 197 00:13:40,590 --> 00:13:45,510 strange way tied together, both from being from Chicago. I mean, 198 00:13:45,510 --> 00:13:49,950 we've been no Obama's not from Chicago, but he was sold to us 199 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:54,270 that way, for being for South shots, Southside Chicago, and 200 00:13:54,270 --> 00:13:57,870 they made their rise to popularity on the same timeline. 201 00:13:58,350 --> 00:14:04,230 So they were tied together in a real way. So let's listen to 202 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:05,730 more about their relationship. 203 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,540 Kanye and Obama's explosion into the national consciousness 204 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:13,050 happened right around the same time. Obama's first major look 205 00:14:13,050 --> 00:14:16,470 was in 2004. During the Democratic National Convention, 206 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:20,700 Kanye his first major solo look was in 2004. He released a 207 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:24,930 college dropout that year, Obama won the White House in 2008. Two 208 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:28,770 weeks later, Kanye West released aid awaits in heartbreak. This 209 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:32,220 was funny Obama describe the first time he met Kanye West 210 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:35,280 during an interview with Jimmy Kimmel, and whether or not he 211 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,980 still calls Kanye his house phone Believe it or not, this 212 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:42,090 was a topic of conversation in 2016 Roll the clip James. 213 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,830 I've met Kanye twice. The first time when I was a senator. And 214 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:50,400 he was with his mom and he had just gotten big. He's from 215 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:56,190 Chicago, right so they wanted to meet and he was very soft 216 00:14:56,190 --> 00:15:02,070 spoken. Very, very gracious. That sounds like a lot He hadn't 217 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:08,400 quite come come into his own. And then about six months ago, 218 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:13,740 he came to an event. And look, I love his music is incredibly 219 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:18,060 creative. I don't think I've got his home number you don't have 220 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:18,390 his own. 221 00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:24,210 Obama's a cool cat man swag on 100,000 trillion. Of course, 222 00:15:24,210 --> 00:15:28,680 Kanye replied a day later. Here's what he told TMZ. Obama 223 00:15:30,929 --> 00:15:32,489 before he knows that 224 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:38,880 Obama does call my house sometimes this is funny. Like, I 225 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,910 don't remember ever seeing this a president going back and forth 226 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,020 with a rapper. 227 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:47,730 I'm so glad you, you brought this back up. Mo. Because to add 228 00:15:47,730 --> 00:15:51,330 to your list that you mentioned earlier, how about Kanye being 229 00:15:51,330 --> 00:15:54,810 friends with President Obama and friends with President Trump. I 230 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:59,310 mean, that's, it's, it's, I mean, even Elvis didn't have to 231 00:15:59,310 --> 00:16:01,080 respond to presidents I don't think 232 00:16:01,620 --> 00:16:06,960 that's he's a very unique character. And we had for me to 233 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,420 dedicate a whole episode to one person. It wasn't out of fandom, 234 00:16:12,750 --> 00:16:17,670 is that we have to really look at this. He's not a rapper. He's 235 00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:23,190 not a celebrity. I don't know what box to put him in. But he's 236 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:26,580 he's a he's a personality. He's the icon. I mean, I don't mean 237 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:29,670 that. Like I said, any kind of fan worship, you have to give a 238 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:33,180 person credit. It's like with Trump, before he became 239 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:36,180 president. You just can't say he was a real estate guy. No, or 240 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:37,650 celebrity. He's like, these 241 00:16:37,650 --> 00:16:39,690 guys are national treasures. 242 00:16:40,710 --> 00:16:49,290 Yeah. But as you know, friend turned to enemies. And for 243 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:56,850 people that didn't follow this. Obama never fully embraced Chi 244 00:16:56,850 --> 00:17:03,690 Chi, the way people thought that he would. And that was very 245 00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:07,980 strange. And I think that was a calculation from Obama. Because 246 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:11,610 he knew this guy, anything he saw 247 00:17:11,609 --> 00:17:14,639 that hates white people bit and he thought, well, maybe it would 248 00:17:14,639 --> 00:17:15,599 be a little cautious. 249 00:17:16,349 --> 00:17:21,719 Right, exactly, exactly. He ain't he knew he cannot. He 250 00:17:21,719 --> 00:17:26,879 didn't want to tie himself to to Kanye. And I think Kanye was an 251 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:29,639 understanding of that, because he didn't want to be a 252 00:17:29,639 --> 00:17:36,569 distraction. But there was an event that happened that, like 253 00:17:36,779 --> 00:17:41,189 pretty much put a fissure between Obama and Kanye. 254 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:44,370 Kanye also says something interesting there. He said don't 255 00:17:44,370 --> 00:17:47,250 try to pit us against each other. And there were a few 256 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:50,580 incidents where it seemed like the media was doing just that 257 00:17:50,610 --> 00:17:53,790 pitting Obama against Kanye West. The first took place in 258 00:17:53,790 --> 00:17:58,020 2009. And it came from this statement that Obama made off 259 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:01,470 the record. This was a day after Kanye West made Taylor Swift 260 00:18:01,470 --> 00:18:03,180 famous during the VMAs. 261 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,790 The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's 262 00:18:05,790 --> 00:18:08,880 getting her award. Let's see. Why would he do that? He's a 263 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,540 jackass. 264 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,510 Again, that was 2009. Before that clip leaked though ABC 265 00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:19,230 Nightline co anchor Terry Moran tweeted President Obama just 266 00:18:19,230 --> 00:18:23,640 called Kanye West a jackass for his outburst at VMAs when Taylor 267 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,150 Swift won. Now that's presidential. The tweet was 268 00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:30,930 later deleted, ABC was forced to release this statement, which 269 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:34,290 said in the process of reporting on remarks by President Obama 270 00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:38,700 that were made during a CNBC interview, ABC News employees 271 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,730 prematurely tweeted a portion of those remarks that turned out to 272 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:44,910 be from an Off The Record portion of the interview. This 273 00:18:44,910 --> 00:18:49,290 was done before our editorial process had been completed. That 274 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:53,160 was wrong. We apologize to the White House and CNBC and are 275 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,960 taking steps to ensure that it will not happen again. 2009 was 276 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,170 so long ago, like even ABC didn't have the safeguards in 277 00:19:01,170 --> 00:19:03,690 place to make sure that journalists weren't leaking off 278 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:06,690 the record information. No one was prepared for this social 279 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:09,870 media takeover. Nevertheless, a few months later, Kanye West 280 00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:13,470 responded to Obama he shared his reaction when he heard that 281 00:19:13,470 --> 00:19:15,990 Obama called him a jackass in a conversation with double XL. 282 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:19,110 Here's what he said. Obama has way more important stuff to 283 00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:21,720 worry about than my public perception. He was trying to 284 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,510 pass the health care bill and if he said that to relate to the 285 00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:27,810 room or lighten the room up and the whole move, then I'd be more 286 00:19:27,810 --> 00:19:31,050 than happy to be the butt of all his jokes, if it in some way 287 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:34,410 helps us overall mission. I'm a soldier of culture. I'm 288 00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:37,140 resilient. I'm sure I'll still beat him in basketball 289 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:46,020 Wow, so a couple things first of all, ABC What a bunch of weenie 290 00:19:46,020 --> 00:19:47,490 pussy boys over there. 291 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,710 Yeah, we're sorry. We leap. 292 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,700 Oh, sorry. Sorry. We didn't mean to do it. It was oh, off the 293 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:55,410 record. We can't report on that. 294 00:19:56,790 --> 00:19:58,890 Whenever you want to get pulled from the gag who of 295 00:19:59,670 --> 00:20:03,000 course If they want to keep their access, you know it. 296 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,900 Absolutely. 297 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:10,890 So, um, so we see whether the device stars and once again 298 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,510 media Kanye was was the bigger person to say, you know, I mean, 299 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:18,300 if he was, you know, make me a buddy to Joe to Sam for the 300 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:23,310 greater good, that's what I'll do. But if you look at the video 301 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:29,100 of it I would have took offense to it, because let's be honest 302 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,110 here, we're gonna look at look at things through a certain 303 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:35,430 lens. You got President Obama, the black guy in a room full of 304 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:40,500 white people call another black guy is a jackass. And they all 305 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:45,750 bust out laughing. Like, I'm sure. 306 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:49,950 No moat, you couldn't have been more white when you did that. 307 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:51,180 Congratulations. It was 308 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:55,020 I mean, he sounded just like us. 309 00:20:57,330 --> 00:21:00,180 That's how the last word and it was like good when Obama you 310 00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:02,310 know, it was like, Yeah, 311 00:21:03,179 --> 00:21:07,169 I see it. I remember this, I'd forgotten that the whole room 312 00:21:07,169 --> 00:21:09,299 was filled with white people. Yeah, that's pretty, pretty 313 00:21:09,299 --> 00:21:09,689 lame. 314 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:16,740 Right? So I'm just saying how it appears. I'm not saying this how 315 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:21,360 it was, but optics matter. Um, so I think this was the 316 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:27,900 beginning of the end of me, Kanye and Obama bromance, right? 317 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,740 Or any possibility of it. So then it became out like for the 318 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:39,990 hip hop fans out there. It became all out subliminal war of 319 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:47,400 this is between the Obama and Kanye, which is culture. Yes. 320 00:21:48,420 --> 00:21:53,700 This is exactly we miss culture. And so they started trading 321 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,520 barbs back and forth through the media as we see in this next 322 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:56,880 clip. 323 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:59,460 So that was one of the first times we ever saw those two 324 00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:03,270 comments on each other publicly. Here's another during the 2012 325 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:06,360 campaign season. During an interview with Atlantic Monthly, 326 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:10,230 Obama was asked whether he prefers Kanye West or Jay Z. The 327 00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:14,250 president said Jay Z. Although I like Kanye. He's a Chicago guy 328 00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:17,730 smart. He's very talented. This is when the reporter David 329 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:20,910 Samuel says even though you call him a jackass, which Obama 330 00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:25,380 replies, he is a jackass, but he's talented. There's the media 331 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:28,710 throwing the alley, there's Obama bringing it home. This 332 00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:30,570 one's a little different. This next one's a little different in 333 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:34,290 July 2013. During the conversation with Amazon for 334 00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:38,310 their Kindle interview series, Obama used Kim Kardashian and 335 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:41,700 Kanye West as an example of the change in culture that's 336 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,700 negatively impacted children's views on the American dream. 337 00:22:44,790 --> 00:22:47,700 Here's what he said. There was not that window into the 338 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:51,060 lifestyles of the rich and famous kids weren't monitoring 339 00:22:51,060 --> 00:22:54,810 everyday what Kim Kardashian was wearing, or where Kanye West was 340 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:57,840 going on vacation and thinking that somehow that was the mark 341 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,430 of success. But that's how upset people were when Kanye West 342 00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:06,480 compared Michelle Obama to Kim Kardashian. He was asked about 343 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,170 it during the conversation with Philly's hot one Oh 7.9 Here's 344 00:23:10,170 --> 00:23:12,510 how he explained his reasoning for doing so. 345 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,460 I think that he should have mentioned my baby mama name you 346 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:19,740 know cuz we both from Chicago 347 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:23,160 Don't be mentioned in my baby mamas name because we both from 348 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,390 Chicago this is a rapper and a president he said it jokingly 349 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:30,120 and I think he meant it. Here's why here's what he told Angie 350 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,080 Martinez after that. 351 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,580 The reason why Obama mention our name is because we most relevant 352 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:38,550 case in point so if I say that, that's because it's the case of 353 00:23:38,550 --> 00:23:42,540 point. He just say that just trying to be cool. Obama was 354 00:23:42,540 --> 00:23:44,640 supposed to be cool. First of all planet now I gotta say our 355 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,450 names to be cool. It's like a feature we featured in his 356 00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:51,690 interviews right now they need a feature from us to get relevant. 357 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,080 You haven't 358 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,330 you haven't gotten that call in the middle of the night yet? 359 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,240 We'll call you know that call that like, stop talking about 360 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,700 the President call. I always think that comes when people 361 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:03,150 you know that like sometimes I think about that at night, but 362 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,680 you know, it no matter cuz it's still all a distraction. And 363 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,820 that's all they need and want. 364 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,800 This is all a distraction. Food for thought right there. Wow. 365 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:21,330 Kanye knows what's up. So imagine if you take out Obama, 366 00:24:21,870 --> 00:24:26,040 and put in Trump going back and forth with a rapper on this 367 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:32,610 taboo, what the news will be, oh, it was on fire. So I'm just 368 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:38,220 saying, Well, I can say I'm a fair judge. I'm a fair judge. So 369 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:46,170 this, I believe was a precursor, or more incentive for Kanye to 370 00:24:46,170 --> 00:25:11,010 jump on the Trump Train. Because guess what My feelings matter. 371 00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:36,000 It's a new It's a new world JC this is the way America voted on 372 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,330 Trump. 373 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:43,110 Before I get out of here, I want to talk about race. 374 00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:49,890 And the idea of racism in America. This idea that one or 375 00:25:49,890 --> 00:25:56,130 another candidate was going to be less or more racist than the 376 00:25:56,130 --> 00:26:01,860 other, or that America will be less or more racist, because of 377 00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:02,070 one 378 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:08,520 of the other candidates. Specifically, to black people 379 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,610 focusing on racism 380 00:26:14,970 --> 00:26:22,530 GA so this was Kanye at a Sacramento California concert. 381 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:27,360 And this is where he let the whole world know that he was a 382 00:26:27,660 --> 00:26:37,080 Trump supporter. And he set the world on fire. And of course, 383 00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:40,350 we'll stop. How did you feel when you heard that? 384 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:46,290 Okay, I kind of I kind of had an inkling because there was rumors 385 00:26:46,290 --> 00:26:52,170 of him wearing make America great again, hat on planes. But 386 00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:56,610 this was like, undeniable, and this was after, um, Hillary had 387 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:01,080 lost. So I want to say that so this was this was post election 388 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,650 go, Okay. Didn't come out during the, during the election. Got 389 00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:08,250 it? Because he didn't, I don't think he was ready for that kind 390 00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:14,400 of to be blamed because he would have been blamed. If he came 391 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,560 out. And the same thing and Trump would have won. He would 392 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,020 have been blamed for that. We say it went from 66 to 57% 393 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,720 turnout. Yeah, that would have been that would have been pinned 394 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:34,440 on him. So he had enough awareness. Not to say anything 395 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,720 publicly until after the race was over. Right? With that said 396 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:44,700 in the same concert rant. He said Google lied to you. 397 00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:51,300 Facebook lied. To me, he was awesome. It was a it was like a 398 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:56,550 17 I think a 17 minute rant. He showed it to the he showed up to 399 00:27:56,550 --> 00:28:02,250 the car, sir, hour and a half late. The three songs a 17 400 00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:08,340 minute rant, and they might drops it rolls out. So yeah. So 401 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:13,260 the reaction to that was Kanye West has to be crazy. He's not 402 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,240 the guy is off his rocker. He has to be crazy and so much so 403 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,030 he was hospitalized that day, the very day after. So after 404 00:28:24,030 --> 00:28:29,010 that he went into hiding. For a very long time. They were saying 405 00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:32,520 that he had mental issues. And to me personally, I think that 406 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,930 was damage control by the record labels by the shoe companies and 407 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:41,490 buys all his other advertisers that they probably thought he 408 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,350 was going to be canceled and his career was over. Great. So fast 409 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:52,470 forward. He pops up again. But this time at the White House, 410 00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:55,830 Kanye West came to the White House to discuss prison reform 411 00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:59,550 and ways to combat violent crime. But things quickly went 412 00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:02,490 off script and what happened next in the Oval Office does 413 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:09,090 have everyone talking overnight. rapstar Kanye West extending his 414 00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:13,410 DC tour, taking his show on the road to a local Apple Store. 415 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Just hours earlier, a stunning scene in the Oval Office kept by 416 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,560 that remarkable embrace was the commander in chief. 417 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:24,390 I love this guy right here. 418 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:28,110 But it's West's 10 minute free willing, profanity laced 419 00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:31,440 monologue that's making waves while sitting next to Football 420 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,160 Hall of Famer Jim Brown. West praised President Trump. 421 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:39,630 Trump is on his hero's journey right now. And he might have 422 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:41,700 expected to have a crazy 423 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,200 like Kanye West and that read Make America Great Again. Hat 424 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:49,350 it was something about when I put this hat on. It made me feel 425 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:50,460 like Superman 426 00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:54,750 at times pounding the historic resolute desk to make his point 427 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:59,490 manufacturing freestyling on more than 40 topics is a 428 00:29:59,490 --> 00:29:59,970 hydrogen 429 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,670 The power airplane. If he don't look good, we don't look good. 430 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:08,700 So when I said I like Trump to like someone that's liberal, 431 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:11,910 they'll say, oh, but he's racist. You think racism can 432 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:12,870 control me 433 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,290 the entire spectacle seeming to even leave the president 434 00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:20,040 speechless. That was quite something. At one point West 435 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,490 revealed he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but said he 436 00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:24,870 got a second opinion. 437 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:30,120 He said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep 438 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,190 deprivation, which could cause dementia 439 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,760 West raising eyebrows for some of his comments about race. 440 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:39,030 People expect that if you're black, you have to be Democrat. 441 00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:44,430 I have a I've had conversations that basically said that welfare 442 00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:47,400 is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats 443 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:49,830 overnight reaction pouring in. 444 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,250 This is white supremacy by ventriloquism black mouth is 445 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:57,570 moving, white racist ideas are flowing from Kanye West's mouth. 446 00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:02,100 Still for President Trump, who has his eye on the midterms and 447 00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:05,430 who struggled to win over African American supporters. The 448 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:09,240 visit by such a high profile person of color could prove to 449 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,800 be powerful optics in these photos obtained by TMZ. West 450 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:17,460 even convincing the president Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, 451 00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:21,570 to wear Make America Great hats, saying the word again is 452 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:26,340 offensive to some blacks, a surreal scene and an oval office 453 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:27,030 first, 454 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:32,700 like a smart cookie. Yes, I remember this wasn't too long 455 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:36,990 ago, and I deconstructed on the no agenda show than I because 456 00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:41,250 this is exactly what I was saying. You know, you hear the 457 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:44,580 brilliance in between the nut job stuff, I guess, have I have 458 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:48,060 some kind of filter? I'm like, Oh, okay. And even some of the 459 00:31:48,060 --> 00:31:51,510 stuff that sounds really nutty. If you listen and you focus, 460 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,560 then it makes sense. The problem is, and I noticed that from that 461 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,610 episode, a lot of people give up that they don't even like to 462 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:05,550 have a problem listening to the words. And it's, I think it's 463 00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:09,570 because of how he speaks and his presentation, that people are 464 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,870 taken aback and they can't process what he's saying, 465 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:15,600 because he had some really smart things to say about the 13th 466 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Amendment, which is not foreign fruit for Kanye West. But even 467 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,310 as I tried to explain what he was saying, people just the eyes 468 00:32:23,310 --> 00:32:25,320 glossed over. It's very odd. 469 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,310 And who who else does it sound like? Trump? 470 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,000 No, I understand. When I saw that. And by the way, I love Jim 471 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,230 Brown sitting there. He's just like, Oh, yeah. Jim Brown loved. 472 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,750 Jim Brown wasn't sitting there. I mean, Jim Brown. Isn't that 473 00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:46,650 animated anymore? But he was sitting there like, Oh, yeah. 474 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:50,250 Oh, yeah. And he's, I got these like, Yeah, this guy thinks it's 475 00:32:50,250 --> 00:32:53,910 all good. And I did, too. It's like, this is a great moment. 476 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:56,880 Who would have this is crazy. What's going on? This is the 477 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,610 White House. Look at who's talking. Look what the issues. 478 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:03,060 They're talking about? Slavery, modern day slavery through the 479 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:08,490 13th amendment. I loved it. But I tell you how. I didn't get a 480 00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:09,480 lot of traction with it. 481 00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:15,870 It's because you said the key word you had to listen. Oh, yes. 482 00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:20,580 A lot of people want to be fed and 32nd sound bites or two 483 00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:25,950 minute news stories. And if it goes past that, yep. They lose. 484 00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,140 They gloss over and you lose them. 485 00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:31,560 Not only that, what but if you hear how that piece was put 486 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,340 together, that news piece, I mean, they literally in between 487 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:38,370 some snippets, were saying he's crazy off the wall, what the 488 00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:42,870 hell? So You're conditioned, whatever it is, and in 489 00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:46,680 particular, black people don't listen to the shit don't listen 490 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,850 to him. He's crazy. 491 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:55,980 They say he raised racial racial comments by saying that black 492 00:33:56,010 --> 00:34:00,390 all black people vote Democrat. That's a fact. Majority. I mean, 493 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,440 I mean, how's that? How's it like a controversial? 494 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:08,670 Don't let anyone know? We can't let the cat out of the bag. 495 00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:14,880 And that's exactly what it was. Um, and they even had one of our 496 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,140 show favorites. MICHAEL ERIC DYSON in there saying that he 497 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:23,100 was a white supremacist ventriloquist. I think he had a 498 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,340 black mouth is moving but that's the white man's hand up his butt 499 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:28,620 making the sounds Oh, yeah. Beautiful. All right. 500 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,610 And I hate to do this, but I want to go back to clip two in 501 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:38,220 the very beginning because that was Michael Eric Dyson. Just 502 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:41,250 listen to the difference in what he said there compared to what 503 00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:43,200 you said in the in the previous clip. George 504 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,150 Bush doesn't care about black people. 505 00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:51,210 I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant. Even as 506 00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:55,650 he stumbled toward his self expression. He was nervous after 507 00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:58,200 all. He's going off script. George Bush 508 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,040 MICHAEL ERIC DYSON loser needs to face man. 509 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,460 Right? You appreciate his honesty when it benefits you 510 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:12,810 what you're trying to push, which you can't be on. And now, 511 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,270 now we're getting to the root of this whole conversation we're 512 00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:23,760 having. As long as you're saying what people want to hear. You're 513 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,810 brilliant, you're this, you're that way. As soon as you get, 514 00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:31,260 you have an honest moment, and you want to say what you want to 515 00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:36,390 say. The name called it comes out. So what happened after he 516 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:37,830 went to the White House? Oh, can 517 00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:41,730 I stop? Can I stop you? I'm sorry? Yes. When you saw that, 518 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,190 um, I don't know if you saw a news report first. Or if you 519 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:47,100 saw, I mean, I saw a news report, similar to what we 520 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,340 played. And I immediately went to find the full length of like, 521 00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:52,950 I got to see the whole thing in context of this. I mean, I'm 522 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:55,260 just trained, because that's what I do. What was your 523 00:35:55,260 --> 00:36:00,300 reaction when you first heard of this? Not before you dove into 524 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:02,460 it? Because I know you did. What was your first reaction? 525 00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:07,410 Okay, so I know how Kanye West is and how he can be painted. 526 00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:11,490 But I was like, wow, that's the look. That's even. That's a fish 527 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:18,510 sticks. You asking your parents because I work because I wear 528 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:23,010 skinny pants kind of thing. They aren't gonna clip this. Paint 529 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:26,070 him to be as they say in the clip. But do you pound at the 530 00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:26,490 desk? 531 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,520 Did you hear anything that you thought was a good message? Or 532 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,130 do did was added not even presented? The first time you 533 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:32,520 heard it? 534 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,780 There was nothing in that. Oh, cuz to me, when I hear news 535 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:40,020 because I don't watch news is in the morning time when you're 536 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:44,130 getting dressed and my wife has Good Morning America, something 537 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:47,220 like that home. That's why I kind of hear the news for the 538 00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:51,780 day. And whatever it comes, you know, whatever pops up, like 539 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:54,420 something like this, I will go get the full clip to hear the 540 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:58,140 context. But what I heard that morning, I was like, what, what 541 00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:02,460 just happened? I was surprised. But he said, he said, he said a 542 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:05,490 lot of good things in there. He said a lot of things that I 543 00:37:05,490 --> 00:37:08,970 agreed with before he even said it. I was saying these things 544 00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:13,110 during the whole 2016 election, I was one of those people that 545 00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:18,750 were like, um, and let me be clear here. If someone doesn't 546 00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:22,890 give you the option not to vote, then you don't have an option. 547 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,900 Because either somebody's gonna try to pull you to one side or 548 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,980 the other, you know, you should have a third option. I think 549 00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:34,770 every American should have the option if they don't feel like 550 00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:39,330 the person meets what they want to be up what they're up to. But 551 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,870 I disliked Hillary Clinton so much. I was actually campaigning 552 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:52,620 against her. Gotcha, actively because I understand who she is. 553 00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:57,120 I understand what role she played in a lot of the problems 554 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000 that plagued the black community in our community. Momo, 555 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,310 you know, she knows who you are. You're one of those super 556 00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:03,060 predators. 557 00:38:03,809 --> 00:38:07,169 Yeah, I mean, I like I'm one of those people that hold her to 558 00:38:07,169 --> 00:38:10,439 task because she says her addressing black problems is 559 00:38:11,549 --> 00:38:16,139 having hot sauce in her pocket. I mean, so fixed, just that. 560 00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:20,879 Even there. It's like, you're still doing it. You're still 561 00:38:20,879 --> 00:38:25,709 doing it. But as always, they had to send out the Boulais Ah, 562 00:38:25,709 --> 00:38:31,379 here we claim to clean out what was the mascot, it was him a in 563 00:38:31,379 --> 00:38:36,299 the Oval Office, and they had to send their Top Gun Charlamagne 564 00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:39,690 Joining me now Charlamagne tha God co host of the syndicated 565 00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:42,090 radio show The Breakfast Club, New York Times Best Selling 566 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:46,140 writer, author of the upcoming book shook one. Anxiety is 567 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:49,410 playing tricks on me which it's bookshelves on October 23. 568 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,290 Always enjoy having you my friend. Yes. Craig, let's start 569 00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:55,560 with what President just said there as as he helped the 570 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,640 President with black people. 571 00:38:56,850 --> 00:38:59,970 No, black people are not a monolith. Okay, and Kanye West 572 00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,430 does not represent all black people. And because I'm black, 573 00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:04,350 and I don't support Donald Trump in any way, shape, or form. 574 00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:06,090 Is you being used by the President. 575 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:10,410 Um, I think that if you can't be used, you're useless. So I think 576 00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:14,010 that they're both using each other in a way. I just hope that 577 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:16,890 I think he's being misused just a little bit. Because when you 578 00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:20,340 use him as a prop, and you say that because of him, you have 579 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,740 all of this support from the African American community. 580 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:25,860 That's not necessarily true. Kanye West represents Kanye 581 00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:27,660 West. He doesn't represent the whole African American 582 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:28,050 community. 583 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,850 You've interviewed him a number of times. You interviewed him 584 00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:33,690 back in May this as part of what he said about why he supports 585 00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:34,020 Trump. 586 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:36,540 When he was running, it's 587 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:37,380 like I felt so 588 00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:42,420 it's like the fact that he won. It's like it proves something. 589 00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:48,600 It proved that anything is possible in America, that Donald 590 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,390 Trump could be president of America. I'm not talking about 591 00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:54,150 you know what he's done since he's been in office. But the 592 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:56,610 fact that he was able to do it like remember I said I was gonna 593 00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:59,370 run for president. I have people that was close to me friends of 594 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:04,410 mine, like Making jokes making memes. Talk NAS, like, Oh, that 595 00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:06,540 was proven that that could happen. 596 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,610 You buy that explanation, 597 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,730 because that has nothing to do with policy that has to do with 598 00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:15,390 ego. If I'm Kanye West, and I'm a celebrity, and I announced 599 00:40:15,390 --> 00:40:18,150 that I wanted to run for president and everybody laughed 600 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,760 at me, but then the executive producer of celebrity apprentice 601 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280 who is actually a celebrity comes in run somebody who has 602 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,640 zero qualifications has never held any political office and 603 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,880 actually wins. I feel like damn, I might have missed my moment. I 604 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,980 didn't know America was ready to just throw the presidency 605 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:36,570 in the toilet. All right, Charlamagne. Nickname now is BJ. 606 00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:40,860 That stands for who lays janitor. 607 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:46,350 He quit. He comes in with the broom. And he does a fine 608 00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:52,320 cleanup job. And what it does is, is get back in the box. 609 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,800 Don't Don't Don't think just vote. only be activated when 610 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,610 it's time to be activated. And as you if you heard I rang the 611 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:09,360 bell there because he says I'm your only use if you're useful. 612 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,690 I believe how he put it. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. 613 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,760 So I mean, the truth always wants to come out. 614 00:41:15,090 --> 00:41:18,360 I mean, you said it right there. Yeah. 615 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:21,630 He said it out his aunt me. He's, he does this all the time. 616 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,330 I mean, if you go back to the first show, we brought him up 617 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:27,990 about the Illuminati. He was like, Yeah, I want to join the 618 00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:30,990 Illuminati. If that's what it is. Yeah. You're on the list 619 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:35,430 exactly what it was. It's like, so the truth always wants to 620 00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:41,400 come out. Um, yeah, he also made another statement that black 621 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,970 people are not a monolith. Except when it comes to voting. 622 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,140 Yeah. I mean, what else would also 623 00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:54,360 also mean for, for him to paint Kanye and Trump that way. 624 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,290 Whereas Obama had no experience. He was a one term senator, and 625 00:41:58,290 --> 00:42:01,980 he kind of slid into the seat because the guy got rousted out. 626 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:07,110 I mean, Obama didn't really have huge political expertise. 627 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,740 Yeah, I mean, that like that, um, Pat, St. Jack, he got 628 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:16,080 elected president or something well, in a 629 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,220 way, like the way he did 630 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:22,530 I mean, like to do did run a billion dollar you're saying? 631 00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:25,710 I mean, it did sell enterprise. Yeah. 632 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:28,710 I mean, you gotta give him his credit where credit's due, but 633 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:31,770 that mean, that's what they do. Oh, he's just a TV host. TV 634 00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:36,840 reality show. I'm so out of all of this. And it's something I 635 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,220 didn't cover in the clips is when Kai went to TMZ. And you 636 00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:41,760 know, had 637 00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:46,080 they had kind of the semi meltdowns. Yeah, the slavery 638 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,930 is a choice thing. And it's one of those things where you clip 639 00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:51,750 it, and you don't take the time and listen to what he's saying. 640 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:59,880 Yes, um, it's very, it's like, very useful, if you want to, if 641 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,020 you want to tear him down, I mean, he gives you that kind of 642 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,080 those kinds of sound bites. So but out of this, it all just 643 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,560 happens. Kanye was label the C word. 644 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:21,810 Today's video is appropriately titled, cone. That's right. ce o 645 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:26,310 in exclamation point. My good friend Willie D of the ghetto 646 00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:31,170 boys recently put out a single call Kuhn, where he called out 647 00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:35,220 various black folk who habitually sailed their people 648 00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:40,470 out. And the way he defined the Koon is this. Willie D said that 649 00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:44,880 if your criticism of the black community outweighs your 650 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,290 contribution of the black community, then you are a coon. 651 00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:53,100 Yeah. And as we've learned on the show, I've certainly learned 652 00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:57,210 calling a black person and call another black person Kuhn is 653 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,190 really the lowest of all low. 654 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,610 Yes, and cone is a racial racist term. So much so it was used in 655 00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:09,210 Forrest Gump as one. If people remember the line, he was like, 656 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:12,660 Mom, he said, the Coos trying to get into school, the one guy 657 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:18,120 says to Forrest Gump, my mom would use takes a broom and was 658 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:23,580 on the back porch. I mean, so this is a known racist term, but 659 00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:28,680 it's in this modern day society. Black people use it among 660 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,950 themselves. And I've noticed this weird phenomenon. I think 661 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:34,650 I've addressed this on the show once but I'll address it again. 662 00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:41,610 how black people that disagree with you allow other white 663 00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:46,320 people to use that term, to tear the person now that they don't 664 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,770 like 665 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:49,680 yeah, this is almost crazy. That's crazy. 666 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,680 Yeah, so much so that when you went down to Twitter timeline, 667 00:44:55,740 --> 00:45:01,530 as this was going on real time, you saw a term use Kanye West. 668 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,870 Yeah. Okay. Oh, and why II West? Yeah, I remember. And it was 669 00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:12,510 used by non black people can non black people would like it? And 670 00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:17,880 I'm like what where are we at? As a as a as a group of people 671 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:25,800 as a society as a whole where we let people off the hook to use 672 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,050 terms that we are seeing that we find offensive and that we that 673 00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:34,650 we would find offensive because they're in alliance with us on 674 00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:39,330 political matters. Yeah, when we're in a bizarro world, um, 675 00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:43,740 but I have a push back to the usage of cone. And this comes 676 00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:50,160 from a popular YouTube YouTuber named chronicles of Judah. And 677 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,860 he pushes back against the term using the term Kuhn, 678 00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:57,090 who are the real coons. And the reason why I've been compelled 679 00:45:57,090 --> 00:46:00,270 to create a series by that name is because of the amount of 680 00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:03,900 misdirection, misinformation, disinformation that's constantly 681 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:07,230 being propagated across the internet, and social media by 682 00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,470 the woke revokes the pro blackity blacks, the internet 683 00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:14,280 revolutionaries, as I call them, who loves to create as much 684 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,760 confusion and chaos as possible. By deciding that they're going 685 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,810 to try to guilt trip certain demographics or sub demographics 686 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,020 within the so called black community, by making them 687 00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:29,070 conform to liberal ideologies, to name calling, and an attempt 688 00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:32,430 to racially shame them for not being quote unquote, super 689 00:46:32,430 --> 00:46:36,240 liberal. What does that mean? What you'll find is that most 690 00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:40,350 super liberal negros are heavily into politics and activism, to 691 00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:43,080 modes of expression that really have not reaped many benefits 692 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,650 for so called Black people over the course of the past 50 or 60 693 00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:50,700 years or so, that's one of the first ways that they will try to 694 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,850 create a dynamic in which they can call you a quote unquote 695 00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:57,780 Kuhn, if you're not someone who does not vote Democrat, or if 696 00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:01,380 you're not someone who's in favor of socialist slash Marxist 697 00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:03,570 movements, like Black Lives Matter. 698 00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:07,140 So is this the replacement for the Uncle Tom or the house? 699 00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:07,740 Negro? 700 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,450 Yes, yes, this is the replacement. And it cuts deeper. 701 00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:19,920 It really cuts to me because Uncle Tom had became benign, it 702 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,590 didn't really have an effect on people because they already use 703 00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,680 the term so they had to come up with this new term, the comb, 704 00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:33,000 I love words, and I'm very intrigued. What exactly is it 705 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,270 about the term cocoon that is so offensive? I mean, obviously, 706 00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:40,620 I'm not an idiot. But I'm curious. Because, you know, it's 707 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:43,950 just a word, right? At the end of the day, it's just a word, 708 00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:50,070 but it was new, in a sense, because, I mean, it's like, it's 709 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:55,380 the one they dug up out of the they dug it up out of the 710 00:47:55,830 --> 00:48:00,000 carpet, right? I had archives and repurposed it. And it took 711 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,370 on a whole nother it's like a, it's like a super Uncle Tom. Let 712 00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:10,800 me let me show you example. Yeah, um, people like Clarence 713 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:18,090 Thomas, will be called Uncle Tom. Because it's like, people 714 00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:20,700 expect him to be there. I don't think he is. I mean, I don't 715 00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,030 think he is. I don't use these terms towards my own people. 716 00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:29,700 What I'm saying is, it's not surprising that he takes the 717 00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:31,440 political stances that he takes, 718 00:48:31,590 --> 00:48:34,620 okay, so he's, like, already sold out because he's in the 719 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:41,700 system. And therefore, it's what he is. Yes, true or not. And 720 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,350 Kanye is like, is like, in this case, really a traitor? I guess 721 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:49,650 the way it would be a traitor to your to your peoples that makes 722 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:50,010 sense. 723 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:54,240 That that's that that's the difference between the two terms 724 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:59,100 that it Coonley Lee's leans towards more of you trade it, 725 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:05,100 you turned you've you somehow misled people to what you 726 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:05,700 believe, 727 00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:08,640 Oh, I can tell you that. It's you've turned your back on the 728 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,390 culture. 729 00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:14,310 On the culture. That's, that's, that's, that's like coal word. 730 00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:20,280 Or if they don't want to use the derogatory term, they'll use 731 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,810 that language. Okay. You've turned your back on the culture, 732 00:49:24,810 --> 00:49:26,220 and you're gonna hear this. 733 00:49:26,249 --> 00:49:27,689 I know this, that you may. I'm 734 00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:30,960 glad you made that. I'm glad you made that point. 735 00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:35,130 Well, I when I saw the interview that we'll get to that Well, 736 00:49:35,130 --> 00:49:38,820 there's two things. Two things I noticed that I was going to ask 737 00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:44,820 you about. So the first one is this, this code of the culture, 738 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:49,140 so I don't hear the interviewer say black people as him called 739 00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:52,950 the culture or, you know, doesn't even say black culture 740 00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:56,310 is the culture or race or whatever you'd like to call it, 741 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,240 and the other one, which you don't have to get into it. is 742 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,470 whenever a tough question comes up, and he's, whenever the 743 00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:08,820 interviewer is asking something, it's always, and this is overall 744 00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:12,780 an observation. You do it sometimes as well, apologize. 745 00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:15,780 Hey, um, you know, I don't want to diss anybody, I don't want 746 00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:18,690 to, you know, I'm not no, no disrespect to anybody with what 747 00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:23,280 I'm saying here. But here's what I want to say. It's, it is very 748 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,600 obvious in in this dialogue that Kanye has with the interviewer. 749 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,020 And the interviewer is basically asking him a tough question, but 750 00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:34,500 always softens it by saying, Hey, man, you know, you're 751 00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,960 great. And you're fantastic. cessful. And you know, and I 752 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,900 don't want to disrespect you about your thoughts about Jesus 753 00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,380 or anything. But and then the question comes, does that make 754 00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:44,010 any sense? 755 00:50:44,730 --> 00:50:49,140 It makes all the sense in the world. And it's a term I was 756 00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:55,680 questioning to use in this show. But it's has to be used. Just 757 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,760 like the last show, we talked about white guilt, for having 758 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,890 freedom without you can be made to have black guilt. Thank you 759 00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:07,380 for being so open and honest about that, because that was my 760 00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:13,380 hunch. But I didn't want to push it so great. Like that's gotta 761 00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:19,020 have to have to be clear. And I have to be honest. Whenever you 762 00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:26,340 break from an outreach, why I say this is our real power as a 763 00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:31,740 people comes from being Amana live comes from being not at the 764 00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:34,260 mind live in the having the same kind of thought, but having a 765 00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:39,060 certain amount of code that we stick to its basis. I mean, 766 00:51:39,150 --> 00:51:41,730 similar to being American, I mean, we saw it with the China 767 00:51:41,730 --> 00:51:45,810 thing, we may disagree with each other, but freedom of speech is 768 00:51:45,810 --> 00:51:49,680 baked into being an American, right. And if you don't agree 769 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,930 with a freedom of speech, it's kind of like an American. 770 00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:54,930 There's kind of those things inside the black community 771 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,730 themselves, that they're hard coded. So it's like you, you 772 00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:03,330 wouldn't do anything to harm each other, or you would think 773 00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:06,750 that way. But our behavior showed totally not that but I 774 00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:09,120 mean, that's a whole nother show for another thing another day. 775 00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:15,360 But when you talk to someone, the mind control is so strong. 776 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:21,960 When you become free. You can't jar somebody else with your 777 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,600 freedom, right. And we heard it in the last show on the last 778 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:35,190 clips from the gentleman that was giving a speech, that you 779 00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:38,820 have to be somewhat apologetic because you are a free thinker. 780 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,750 And other people are not just not because you're afraid, but 781 00:52:42,750 --> 00:52:45,540 it's like for their sake. Not your own. 782 00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,020 Yeah, no, I understand. I understand. 783 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,100 It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like when I'll give 784 00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:54,810 you this. And I don't know if it's true or not, you know, 785 00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:59,100 you nailed it by saying black guilt. I understand white guilt, 786 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:04,500 you understand white guilt? I totally get it. It makes so much 787 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:06,840 sense. Except you're the first person I've ever spoken to in 788 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,100 the universe who said it? 789 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,990 At desk. That's what we've talked about before. I know Phil 790 00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:16,950 is now filled, because it had to be said, because what are we 791 00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:19,350 doing here? If we can't be honest, right? If we're gonna 792 00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:21,780 get we're gonna sit here and blow smoke up each other's 793 00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:24,570 butts, you know, saying like, what are we really doing here? 794 00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:28,110 So, yeah, we need to have this honest conversation. And I'm 795 00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:30,570 sure when you have certain thoughts when you're in a 796 00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:35,280 liberal environment. You I'm not saying you do, but I helped make 797 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,330 the assume that you have to couch it or start laying course, 798 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:42,240 of course. And it's it's the same exact thing. Yes. And 799 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,030 that's what I love about it. That's why That's fantastic. I 800 00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:46,560 Yes. Well, of course, well 801 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,670 now compound that with the fact that you could be ostracized 802 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:56,640 from your group as a whole Yeah. Now, that's the difference. And 803 00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:03,870 in other societies, you have a variety of thought. Thought 804 00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:07,500 groups, big groups, where if you're conservative or liberal, 805 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:10,860 you're standing as a group to fall in here the fact that we 806 00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:16,560 vote majority at one way and we have a liberal ideology as the 807 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:23,520 previous clip laid out. It becomes a lonely existence. If 808 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,800 you say certain things now you could fill them but you can't 809 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,210 say I'm ness ness, where we're at with Kanye, and let's get 810 00:54:33,210 --> 00:54:35,520 into the clip number 13. He speaks on this 811 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,030 mental health, you know, having a nervous breakdown going to the 812 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:44,280 hospital and and having the stigma of being called crazy. 813 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,100 Actually, it didn't. It didn't make my it made me more 814 00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:54,480 relatable and made it a wider idea. Everyone is dealing with 815 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,450 health in some way. Like 816 00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:05,880 I For me, being taken to my lowest, you know, Sam being 817 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,290 called a coon by my own people, the guy that said George Bush 818 00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:15,690 don't care about black people is a coon because I didn't say I'm 819 00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:21,300 gonna vote on Hillary Clinton. Right. And that actually made me 820 00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:25,380 more relatable. You can imagine when I go to middle America, 821 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,280 like, let me tell you this, like, I was driving fast, I was 822 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,710 looking at a property that's like 4000 acres we were gonna 823 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:35,430 buy out here. And I'm trying to drive faster the freeway, and I 824 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:38,400 hit a red light and the guy says, No, how you gonna wait, 825 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,230 you gotta go so fast that you got to drive this and cut me. 826 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,370 What car? Oh, thank you for what you're doing for our country. 827 00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:51,750 Thank you so much. Like you have no idea you'd be out here in LA, 828 00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:57,180 and New York. And now have you all jacked up a mountain dude, 829 00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:03,720 it'd be heavy thinking that like this reality is that is? Is that 830 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:04,650 real people? 831 00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:08,250 He's speaking my language there, of course. 832 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,270 Yeah, and that's what I'm talking about. He felt isolated. 833 00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,200 Yeah, because he made a conscious decision based in 834 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,460 facts. Everything I've laid out and all these episodes have I've 835 00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:30,120 supported with facts of how the people that feel like we owe 836 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,300 them are Vanessa weird phenomena itself that someone feels like 837 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:37,800 you owe them your political support or vote have been 838 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,690 detrimental to the, to those same as that people. And when 839 00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:49,830 you say that is like is it is my I use this term, almost too 840 00:56:49,830 --> 00:56:56,190 much. But it is mind control. And when you break free from it, 841 00:56:57,420 --> 00:57:01,620 you feel guilty one because you can't get other people to wake 842 00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:05,280 up. And I'm not like I said, I don't try to get convinced 843 00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:09,510 anybody to vote anyway. I just want to be able to realize you 844 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:15,270 have three options. Maybe four, because you can be the person 845 00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:17,910 that rooms if you feel like you know, the two choices that you 846 00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:20,610 have is not for you, then you could choose a third option and 847 00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,610 not participating or fourth be the person that instead get 848 00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:29,100 yourself in the race, right? Um, but when you say that it's like 849 00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:34,170 but the boogey man he's gonna get it. And you and that's why I 850 00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:37,560 was saying it's a weird place now because you see Michelle 851 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,090 Obama hugging the boogeyman, right? And it's, it's cool. Now, 852 00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:46,860 you see an Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman, and cowboys races 853 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:49,920 and, quote unquote, Mama's saying I'm just being facetious 854 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,130 when I say this. You see Ellen sitting beside the boogey man at 855 00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:57,420 a racist NFL game, not just that he's a war criminal. war 856 00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:00,900 criminal. I'm just saying if you let him tell it the NFL and and 857 00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:04,950 all its owners were racist, right here. Right? Right. And 858 00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:10,410 you have an LM sitting beside a war criminal. The precursor to 859 00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:13,890 Trump, the Antichrist was even called. 860 00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:17,460 Yeah, well, but these people 861 00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:21,000 throw these things out here. And then they act like they forgot. 862 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,050 They said them, these things have real life impacts and 863 00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:28,350 implications. And we've seen with that poor lady, or in the 864 00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:31,260 black guilt, the or the white guilt box, right? 865 00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:38,190 With all the kit, the kid from the last year, 866 00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:43,380 because she was mocking troll. Yeah, she didn't even interact 867 00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:47,940 with black people saw me and that's why I'm having this show. 868 00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:52,290 Because it's not more about celebrity or whatever. We got to 869 00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:57,870 see in real time, a black person have a paradigm shift in their 870 00:58:57,870 --> 00:59:02,100 political views and in their own empowerment. And we seen the 871 00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:08,520 reaction of the mainstream media and people that so called Love 872 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:15,240 them before. Turn on them. And it's just weird, but let's get 873 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,610 into a Kanye cool 2.1. 874 00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:21,870 I told him I said, Look, my my father is a black panther. My 875 00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:27,120 mother got arrested for the citizens at age six. They were 876 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:32,700 fighting for us to have the right to our opinion, not the 877 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,930 right to vote for whoever the white liberal said black people 878 00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:41,190 are supposed to vote for you. I'm saying and then James Corden 879 00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:44,940 went in and said, Well, this President you're a Christian and 880 00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:48,210 this president I don't see anything Christian. about him. I 881 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:50,940 said, Okay, so last year, I tried to tell me who I supposed 882 00:59:50,940 --> 00:59:54,180 to vote for because I'm black. Now this year, white liberal 883 00:59:54,180 --> 00:59:58,350 sounded to me hospitals to vote for because I'm Christian. That 884 00:59:58,350 --> 01:00:00,720 would be like I live in Calabasas. They're gonna, my car 885 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,860 is gonna be a convertible. It's just all based on your vision of 886 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,460 what I'm supposed to do. And I understand like a lot of people, 887 01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:13,080 it's not a matter of whether you like it or who like it, we are 888 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,920 in a country where we allowed to like, whatever we like, 889 01:00:17,099 --> 01:00:19,229 the core message of America, right there. 890 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:29,580 Is that for us? Well, yeah, we do. But it comes at a price. It 891 01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:32,460 really comes down to price. But you know what, I'll say this, 892 01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:37,470 with that number falling, the voter turnout number falling 893 01:00:38,010 --> 01:00:43,290 with, um, when you go on places like YouTube, or certain pockets 894 01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:49,050 or social media, or when you talk to people. And one on one 895 01:00:49,050 --> 01:00:52,830 situations is falling apart at the seams? 896 01:00:52,890 --> 01:00:58,650 Well, you know, with no agenda show, when Trump first announced 897 01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:02,550 the mere fact that I said, Oh, he can do it, he can go all the 898 01:01:02,550 --> 01:01:06,840 way this guy could win. My co host disagreed. But that very 899 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:12,720 fact got me on lists. So the minute you just have to keep it 900 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,500 in the current context, the minute you say, Oh, I'm thinking 901 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,620 a little different. And you go against the grain, which is what 902 01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:23,070 I typically do. This time, it was pretty severe. And we've 903 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:28,110 lost a double digit percentage of our audience because we just 904 01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:30,630 wouldn't want to be that's not what we do, wouldn't wouldn't 905 01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:33,450 blatantly come out and say, Oh, Trump's crazy racist nut job. 906 01:01:33,930 --> 01:01:37,500 No, we deconstruct him. Just like Kanye is like, okay, you 907 01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:39,450 know, here's what I think he's saying, here's what he's doing. 908 01:01:39,450 --> 01:01:44,340 But it was severe. And it was it was your fault. Of course, I'm 909 01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:45,330 an idiot. It was your 910 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,040 chi. He didn't come out until after election. Yeah. Because he 911 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,420 really came up before. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, he had no 912 01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:57,210 control over the outcome of the election because he never really 913 01:01:57,210 --> 01:02:01,920 said anything. And he got killed or can't or attempted to be 914 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,120 counseled this way. So just imagine if he came out. Do a pre 915 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:06,810 the election. 916 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,110 That's so in writing that is unique. Thank you for that. 917 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:13,620 Because if I had not done that, because once I predicted Trump 918 01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:18,300 would win a year out, you know, the more the more popular he 919 01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:22,080 got, the more I was like, See, see, you know, and so just, I 920 01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,090 guess it sounded like a cheerleader, even though I was 921 01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:25,800 just happy about a stupid prediction. 922 01:02:26,910 --> 01:02:31,440 It came became your fault. Yeah. It became your fault. You and 923 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,430 you know what, and people can believe this and not, I tell 924 01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:38,520 people, Donald Trump will win before I even knew he was 925 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,970 running. Because I tell him about me. And my dad was talking 926 01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:45,210 and we talk we used to talk politics, but we can be more 927 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,170 clever used to end up in an argument every time we got a 928 01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:55,320 phone, but I tell him, I said Dad, I said one thing is gonna 929 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,230 happen. I say it's gonna have to be a celebrity wins out the 930 01:02:58,230 --> 01:03:03,390 Obama. Right? Oh, I told him this. And I was like, the only 931 01:03:03,390 --> 01:03:05,400 person that looks like he knows that it has a big enough 932 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:11,280 celebrity. Is his God, Trump. And he laughed. So hard. I mean, 933 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,490 like, and I was like, No, seriously, I seriously that I 934 01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:18,240 was like, and then when it happened, how it became my 935 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:18,690 fault. 936 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,140 You put that shit out there, you put that 937 01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:25,860 on the universe? Nice. It's kind of like, it's got like, well, 938 01:03:25,860 --> 01:03:30,420 your team is winning. And you like, call some women and then 939 01:03:30,420 --> 01:03:33,990 they lose. It's your fault. Because, you know, effect on the 940 01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:38,760 game. Right? The game What's your fault, you know? But yeah, 941 01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:42,480 I mean, this, this is, this is the world we live in. And I 942 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:48,900 wanted to do the show for this exact reason. It's very hard, to 943 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:55,470 be honest, in this country. Because it goes back to it's a 944 01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:59,700 it's a basket form of what we talked about in the last show. 945 01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:03,360 Remember I said in the car, it says, don't ask for anything. 946 01:04:03,660 --> 01:04:04,980 Because remember, you're saying, Well, you Oh, yeah. 947 01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:09,660 Don't Don't Don't embarrass us Don't ask anything. 948 01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:15,450 Right. Yeah. Some bad things I had in that conversation, too. 949 01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:19,980 It's like we had, you know, saying you had to vote Democrat, 950 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,030 you know, the Republicans are bad, right? This new saying 951 01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:26,610 that, that that are some of the other things that come along 952 01:04:26,610 --> 01:04:30,030 with. It's kind of like the tall, we need to call it the 953 01:04:30,030 --> 01:04:34,080 tall but the talk is not only about police, it's a whole other 954 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:39,180 talk about what the culture expects from you. So I just 955 01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:41,700 wanted to say that but we can get to 3.3 Now 956 01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:45,780 another thing is like this idea of like apologizing will 957 01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:50,040 apologize for San George Bush don't apologize for running on 958 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,310 stage pretends to apologize for wearing the wrong color. 959 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:57,000 Apologize now you're dealing with Grandpa not been through 960 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,830 too much. I'm I'm the Founder $3 billion accompany enough in a 961 01:05:01,830 --> 01:05:04,920 listen to somebody online. Tell me who are supposed to apologize 962 01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:05,250 for. 963 01:05:07,049 --> 01:05:12,569 Do you feel like? And since you did get there, do you feel any 964 01:05:12,569 --> 01:05:16,949 other pressures when people say Kanye did let them down? When we 965 01:05:16,949 --> 01:05:19,649 think about George Bush don't care about black people. That's 966 01:05:19,649 --> 01:05:22,319 when everybody was like all Kanye. And then when we look at 967 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:26,579 Kanye now, I mean if we if we agree or not agree with you, 968 01:05:26,819 --> 01:05:29,039 just when we when you say the wrong color hat? 969 01:05:29,730 --> 01:05:32,550 Yeah, think about this for a hat. This is one of my main 970 01:05:32,550 --> 01:05:36,150 things. It's like, what is the culture? It's like, Man, this 971 01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:38,790 ain't for the culture. We do want to sell for the culture. We 972 01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:42,930 are orphans, bro. We are culture lists. We don't have our own 973 01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:47,790 culture. We signed to culture vultures, we signed our life 974 01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:50,100 away our contracts, the culture votes, you think about 975 01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:53,910 everything that's cultural. Taking the knee is cultural, 976 01:05:54,210 --> 01:05:57,540 being on social media, it's cultural, where high fashion is 977 01:05:57,540 --> 01:06:00,960 cultural, pushing a foreign, it's cultural, all these things 978 01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:05,610 are not owned by our culture. So who designed the culture? What 979 01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:09,720 does it mean, to do it for the culture? That's why I do it. For 980 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,410 Christ's 981 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,920 sake. Yeah, that is probably one of my favorite bits from the 982 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:14,460 interview. 983 01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:18,930 Yeah, you don't do it for the culture. 984 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,950 They saying we don't have a culture, we drive foreign cars. 985 01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:26,490 It's we didn't create the culture. 986 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:34,260 And we and I do disagree with chi a at a point. We did have a 987 01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:41,580 culture up until though no man house, right. We were bought, I 988 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:45,330 say we like this. We're a budding culture. Because you 989 01:06:45,330 --> 01:06:50,280 know, you have slavery and slavery from that point, up 990 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,230 until late in the maybe 1940s 1950s. Where we're finding 991 01:06:55,230 --> 01:06:58,920 our way, you know, there were still outside influences that we 992 01:06:59,010 --> 01:07:04,740 illustrated in this show, at at higher levels of education, the 993 01:07:04,740 --> 01:07:07,890 town that 10 groups like to Boulay coming in and trying to 994 01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:12,000 manipulate us to what the thing how to think. But we were 995 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,510 finding our way because culture, I believe, is birthed out of 996 01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:23,880 family. And in those families, you have the leadership of the 997 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,930 man, for the most part, and then those men agree on what they 998 01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:33,210 their common goals will be. I think this is how culture and 999 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,420 nations are formed. Because it's like, I know, this is what I 1000 01:07:36,420 --> 01:07:39,660 think, you know, when you sit down and you have a cop, and 1001 01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:44,070 when I say, Man, I mean, I'm just saying, I'm not gonna, you 1002 01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:45,870 know, almost did it again, 1003 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,090 apologizing Mo. Yeah. 1004 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:54,870 Because I know how we're gonna get to why that happens. We're 1005 01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:59,940 gonna have in the show why this happens. But um, yeah, you have 1006 01:07:59,940 --> 01:08:02,730 a culture because the men agree upon this is what we want for 1007 01:08:02,730 --> 01:08:07,560 our children. And in that agreeance, the man and the woman 1008 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,100 had to have some agreement. So demand is only a representation 1009 01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:14,700 of the agreement between a man and a woman, right? This is not 1010 01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:18,210 a male dominated thing. I just want to say that. But yeah, and 1011 01:08:18,210 --> 01:08:20,430 then that's how to cut but then the culture was totally ruin. 1012 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,070 Because when you have you look at no man in the house, you go 1013 01:08:23,070 --> 01:08:29,430 from there you go to the first opioid epidemic in America, and 1014 01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:33,330 the Vietnam War, the story of innocent and black people, the 1015 01:08:33,330 --> 01:08:36,330 communities that you have the crack epidemic, then you have 1016 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:41,220 mass incarceration meetings, now we're in and the peripheral our 1017 01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:45,000 proliferation of single parent households, that culture is 1018 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,420 totally destroyed. To the point where it does it appears it it 1019 01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:53,940 doesn't exist. And now as we've heard now, we've seen now that 1020 01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:59,550 they've got events trying to eradicate us through certain 1021 01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:04,290 measures. Very depressing when you think about verbalize 1022 01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:08,490 completely. You shut me up for a second and I, I'm just gonna say 1023 01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:12,450 Plan B, Planned Parenthood all that stuff, I think was it 1024 01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:13,920 direct target as well? 1025 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:19,860 Yes. So I think we stopped do three was it 3.133? 1026 01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:20,970 We're ready for four. 1027 01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:22,830 Let's go into 4.1 1028 01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:27,240 Kobe Bryant won five championships, he sprained all 1029 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,560 kinds of muscles all through his body tore ligaments, and for 1030 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,520 people to go to Kanye West where I'm playing in the highest level 1031 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,370 of mental sport. I have Mark Zuckerberg wanting to meet with 1032 01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:42,270 me. Yes, I have people kind of want to meet with me, that are 1033 01:09:42,270 --> 01:09:45,090 makers that are world at this point. So I'm playing at this 1034 01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:51,630 mental sport as a black band. Post POC, post Biggie, Puff 1035 01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:57,210 Daddy Jay Z. In Debt, completely control. The management knows 1036 01:09:57,210 --> 01:10:01,800 how much exactly, you make it on your tour. and it's just $2 less 1037 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:06,300 than what your house costs and I'm ending up in debt every year 1038 01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:11,820 and then I have a breakdown I should have a hospital in the 1039 01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:14,910 back of our room for what I'm dealing with don't don't NBA 1040 01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:18,750 players got nice iced every time I need to just like leave every 1041 01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:22,530 day is go right to UCLA for the level of game and sport that I'm 1042 01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:26,100 working at. But we don't make copies legacy be about one torn 1043 01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:29,520 ligament and my legacy and about a week I've met 12 that just 1044 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,480 come with the level of sport I'm playing on what you talking 1045 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,880 about people's trying to son me left and right. 1046 01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:41,640 For the level of protectionist talk that mental illness gets in 1047 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,710 our country. Kanye shouldn't be lifted up on a throne for what 1048 01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:51,390 he said here. This was a great analogy. A great analogy. It's 1049 01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:54,330 like hey, man, yeah, I use my brain all day and sometimes it 1050 01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:57,810 gets twisted and you know, I get an injury in all right, I gotta 1051 01:10:57,810 --> 01:11:00,420 go take care of that. I love that. 1052 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:07,080 When you step out of line, there is no protection. That's the sad 1053 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,280 thing about it. I mean, he he should be protected because he I 1054 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,310 think in my heart of hearts, I think he wants the best for 1055 01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:18,660 black people. I think I will say this. He wants the best for 1056 01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:23,670 Kanye West first but I mean, I That's him. I think he's an ego 1057 01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:26,460 driven person. But at that level, you have to be ego driven 1058 01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:30,630 to be that successful, but I don't think he means harm to 1059 01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:34,050 other people but he gets no protection. He brings up he 1060 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:37,740 brings up mental health. Which mental health like you said is a 1061 01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:39,840 is a is a buzz word protected 1062 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:40,800 class, my friend. 1063 01:11:42,690 --> 01:11:46,290 But the messenger I mean, how many times do we call Trump 1064 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:51,120 crazy? Right? How many times they say he has um, has 1065 01:11:51,150 --> 01:11:52,770 Alzheimer's as a joke? 1066 01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,650 Well, there's entire psychologists who have written 1067 01:11:55,650 --> 01:11:59,490 papers and They've analyzed him from afar going against the so 1068 01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:02,520 called Goldwater rule you know all of this stuff no, no, he's 1069 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,120 nuts. 1070 01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:08,520 But they say as a joke it's like as a slight and they do the same 1071 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,940 thing with chi we're going back to his parallel again is that if 1072 01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:16,260 we don't like you, then the rules or the parameters that we 1073 01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:24,660 have set aside don't benefit you. And if it look and if that 1074 01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:30,540 comes down on hi from E Lee, what is that? You see? You see 1075 01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,560 that now we're starting to see now we're starting to see where 1076 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,500 the rubber meets the road it yes, right who's really who's 1077 01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:41,820 really the ventriloquist for white supremacy? Let me just be 1078 01:12:41,820 --> 01:12:46,230 honest here. They accuse him with that but when you can 1079 01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:49,110 berate a person because like I said, their mental health or 1080 01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:52,440 their political views and ostracize them what are we doing 1081 01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:57,930 here as the as the mass media but let's get into 4.2 1082 01:12:58,350 --> 01:13:02,280 I Ben Castle, dropped the castle before they head Castle culture 1083 01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:04,800 was castle before they had to turn 1084 01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:06,030 do you care about any of that? 1085 01:13:06,089 --> 01:13:08,099 I do I care about everything? 1086 01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:11,820 Does it does it not rub you the wrong way but does it get to 1087 01:13:11,820 --> 01:13:13,710 your core when when people do 1088 01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:16,710 rub me the right way to definitely Johnny Gill 1089 01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:20,490 What do you say to people that say you turn you turned your 1090 01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:22,710 back on the culture or 1091 01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:27,570 exactly 100% I have turned my back on the idea of 1092 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:32,670 victimization mentality. We are locked up we went from one to 1093 01:13:32,670 --> 01:13:37,410 four. We went from one to four to one to three, but we always 1094 01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:42,630 pointing at the white people. But yet we want to spend all of 1095 01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:47,040 our money on Florence we want to spend all our money on luxury as 1096 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:52,710 opposed to going and buying some land. America is for sale and 1097 01:13:52,710 --> 01:13:56,460 there's a lot of barren land Disney bought a lot of it and 1098 01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,260 Florida but the culture has you focus so much on fucking 1099 01:14:01,260 --> 01:14:05,490 somebody bitch and pulling up in a foreign and rapping about 1100 01:14:05,610 --> 01:14:08,460 things that could get you locked up and then saying you about 1101 01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:16,020 prisoner for life? Bro we brain washed out here bro. Come on, 1102 01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:22,650 man is the free man talking. Democrats had his bone Democrats 1103 01:14:22,650 --> 01:14:27,390 with food stamps for years, bro. What are you talking about? Guns 1104 01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:31,980 in the 80s taking the father's out the home. Plan B. Lauren our 1105 01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:36,240 votes making us a board our children Gosh, and I kill. I 1106 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:40,110 can't tell y'all how to feel. But what I can tell you 1107 01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:42,210 honestly, is how I feel. 1108 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,590 Yeah, there you go. Unpack it. 1109 01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:52,020 That's a black. That's a free man talking. 1110 01:14:52,050 --> 01:14:55,830 That's exactly what it was. And I like this. We're brainwashed 1111 01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:57,510 up here. It's like yeah, 1112 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:01,560 and we are and let me make Make this clear. Let me be clear who 1113 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:04,980 out for people who don't know who's interviewing him. This is 1114 01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:15,090 Big Boy, interviewing him and he is a popular DJ in California. 1115 01:15:17,790 --> 01:15:24,300 He is currently at 92.3, which is a huge radio station, urban 1116 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:27,720 radio station. Urban, quote unquote means black for those 1117 01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:28,200 who don't know. 1118 01:15:29,129 --> 01:15:31,439 That's the white radio guys term. Yes. 1119 01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:40,890 Right. Right. But for Omaha Hart media, yes. So these radio 1120 01:15:40,890 --> 01:15:48,540 stations, pump poison poison into the our communities from 1121 01:15:48,540 --> 01:15:51,120 the earliest hours of the morning, and the reason why I 1122 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:56,940 make this distinction is I grew up or hip hop. But when I was 1123 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,680 1314 years old, that's when you know how it really like blew up 1124 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,920 and you're saying, like, to the point, I made it on the radio, 1125 01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:10,860 you can hear hip hop into the afternoon. There were certain 1126 01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:14,580 times that they play hip hop, and then even men, they only 1127 01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:19,860 have certain radio friendly songs. And even more so those 1128 01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:22,560 were edited out any language that was considered to be 1129 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,970 offensive was edited and out right now. When our job to work, 1130 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:33,270 I can see it small children in their car seats. Parents 1131 01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:40,350 knocking loud you're saying deleterious music early in the 1132 01:16:40,350 --> 01:16:43,980 morning. And you wonder where to my control comes from, you know, 1133 01:16:43,980 --> 01:16:49,200 I, I saw and was an active participant in ushering in hip 1134 01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:54,810 hop at MTV, which started with Yo MTV Raps, which was really 1135 01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:59,010 innocuous because I mean, I grew up with you know, hip hop, the 1136 01:16:59,010 --> 01:17:01,530 hip hop to the hip, hip hop, you don't stop rocking to you bang, 1137 01:17:01,530 --> 01:17:04,740 bang, up, jumped the boogie and and that's that was hip hop in 1138 01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:08,340 my day. Then we got Dre and had lover and they came in and it 1139 01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:12,390 was still pretty tame. I'm worried like, like Kool Moe Dee. 1140 01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:13,200 You know, 1141 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,920 can I step cast? It wasn't pretty, it was actually 1142 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:22,770 positive. Yes, not me, actually. And this was the hook, what hip 1143 01:17:22,770 --> 01:17:26,220 hop, because when hip hop first came in, and you had groups like 1144 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:33,150 a Public Enemy, and care or one, and they actually was teaching 1145 01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,250 something that you could take away from it, and actually 1146 01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:41,520 benefit your life. You have fight the power, and then you're 1147 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,050 saying, Hey, I was yes, it was fueling a whole resurgence of 1148 01:17:46,050 --> 01:17:49,560 the culture of the cult, and this where culture comes in, and 1149 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:54,360 the culture, and it was co opted. Now you could you could 1150 01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:56,910 continue, but I just wanted to highlight that point. 1151 01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:03,570 Well, yes. And the CO I mean, there's think MTV had a lot to 1152 01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:06,720 do with it. And I think, you know, there's always this, this 1153 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,050 even a story out on the internet somewhere, I've saved it, I 1154 01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:13,410 can't remember where of course, then, you know, talked about, I 1155 01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:15,900 was a part of the music executives, they all got 1156 01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,170 together one shady night, and they all decided we got to put 1157 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,830 I'm sure you've heard the story. Story. And we got to start to 1158 01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:27,600 mind controlling the black youth or screw it all youth with with 1159 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,230 these rap lyrics. And here's what we're going to do. And you 1160 01:18:31,230 --> 01:18:35,370 know, and subsequently, things I don't know if I can pinpoint 1161 01:18:35,370 --> 01:18:36,540 where it changed from 1162 01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:39,120 what I can, I can 1163 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,780 say exactly. Alright, hold on, I'll finish my sentence. So as 1164 01:18:42,780 --> 01:18:47,880 you said, it went from very positive, which could be angry, 1165 01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:50,520 even, you know, Fuck the police. It could be angry, but it had a 1166 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,060 different message, then, you know, then as Kanye saying, what 1167 01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:58,410 what's hip hop here today. And also around that time, I left 1168 01:18:58,410 --> 01:19:01,980 MTV and went on my merry way and tuned out, you know, I went to 1169 01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:04,290 classical music. I couldn't listen to the hits anymore. So I 1170 01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:08,190 kind of missed that transition. So I'd love to hear what that 1171 01:19:08,220 --> 01:19:11,220 what that turning point was that you that you heard. 1172 01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:17,130 Okay, so the role of a hip hop artist early on was a 1173 01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:22,050 journalist. Yeah, recording what happens is black community black 1174 01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:25,980 CNN is what I called it, right? It was it was positive, it was 1175 01:19:25,980 --> 01:19:29,070 negative. It was just I'm reporting what the news is. 1176 01:19:29,850 --> 01:19:32,520 Today, you have what they call quote, unquote, conscious 1177 01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,760 artists, like I said, like Public Enemy. And those groups 1178 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,540 that were talking about how we what was going on and how we 1179 01:19:39,540 --> 01:19:43,950 could change things where it changed it. And he nobody knows 1180 01:19:43,980 --> 01:19:49,320 this. Notice, notice this this was NWA. So that was it. Yeah. 1181 01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:53,400 That was it. And you know what? And the weird thing is and that 1182 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,360 you people can call people who call me a conspiracy theorist on 1183 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,000 there's no need for the theorem yet, but we're gonna get there. 1184 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,500 Hi, I'm George Bush Senior I used to live in Compton. Compton 1185 01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:11,700 and now is a hotbed and always has been a hotbed for literal 1186 01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:16,050 Compton, California for hip hop epicenter. How does that happen? 1187 01:20:17,490 --> 01:20:22,350 Oh freeway Ricky Ross comes out of the area. Right? The content 1188 01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:27,870 was where they suppose it. The I want to say George Webb, but it 1189 01:20:27,870 --> 01:20:32,190 might not be right um, I know his last name is Webb documented 1190 01:20:32,850 --> 01:20:36,210 the guy the guy who committed suicide two shots to the head 1191 01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:38,580 gun. Hey, yes, yeah, 1192 01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:43,650 he documented that CIA members came in and taught them how to 1193 01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:48,120 cook up Kratt and little Okapi Gary Webb. Yeah, Gary Webb 1194 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:55,290 Excuse me. Um, so I find these weird that the first billionaire 1195 01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:59,730 and this most celebrated hip hop group, and hip hop history comes 1196 01:20:59,730 --> 01:21:05,460 out a little Compton, one being Dr. Dre. Another Hollywood big 1197 01:21:05,460 --> 01:21:10,800 time mogul is que NWA. How does that happen? 1198 01:21:12,210 --> 01:21:15,090 Right. So you're, you're, you're looking at quid pro quo. 1199 01:21:15,660 --> 01:21:18,540 And I'm looking at Zack who I'm looking at. And then the other 1200 01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:21,480 thing is, if you can go Google it yourself or anybody else 1201 01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:25,350 wants to play at home play along at home. While I was at the same 1202 01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:33,060 time, NWA was supposed to be investigated by the FBI. Eazy E 1203 01:21:33,060 --> 01:21:38,700 err, right, was being invited to the White House. Yeah, by 1204 01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:42,900 President Reagan, or George Bush wanted it to so we Yeah. 1205 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:47,580 Well, I mean, it makes nothing but sense man, if you look at it 1206 01:21:47,580 --> 01:21:51,870 that cynically which I which I can do easily, starting with it 1207 01:21:51,900 --> 01:21:56,160 with a crack cocaine epidemic, which was truly truly one of the 1208 01:21:56,160 --> 01:22:00,810 worst things our government has done. You know, in order to keep 1209 01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:05,250 a gambit going on with Iran Contra, and to keep funding, you 1210 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:08,460 know, Sandinistas. It was like, well, we got all this this 1211 01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:12,600 cocaine, what do we do with it, boss? I know, let's turn it into 1212 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,480 rock and sell it to those black people. I mean, that's how 1213 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,930 shitty it was, they had to get it, they had to unload it. 1214 01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:21,750 Because they couldn't sell it fast enough because they needed 1215 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:24,600 the money for their covert operations. And that's how they 1216 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,980 decided to turn it into rock. I mean, it's, it's disgusting. 1217 01:22:29,670 --> 01:22:34,560 And I don't want to go too far off the path but so much so. And 1218 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,690 I know I said a lot. But I'm stop saying but to the point 1219 01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:44,430 where Hip Hop videos actually work instruction or enter Hip 1220 01:22:44,430 --> 01:22:48,750 Hop movies were instructionals on how to start a crack 1221 01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:53,310 enterprise. From the point of cooking up. Wow, this is, this 1222 01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:57,960 is real. This is real stuff here. Um, there's a there's a 1223 01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:01,020 there's a sequence in the movie Minitor society that shows you 1224 01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:04,830 how to cook up crack cocaine. There's a movie, there's a 1225 01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:08,010 sequence in the movie Hip Hop movie belly, that shows you how 1226 01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:12,540 to set up a crack crack enterprise and an artist out of 1227 01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:20,580 town. Location. Right, so if you want to be a crack dealer and 1228 01:23:20,670 --> 01:23:24,660 and the number one hip hop artists of all time, supposedly 1229 01:23:24,660 --> 01:23:27,330 by the mainstream media and gets invited to the White House, Mr. 1230 01:23:27,330 --> 01:23:32,940 Jay Z was what? One of the most well, not by his words, well 1231 01:23:32,940 --> 01:23:36,420 known and we'll hop right into crack dealers there. Yes. But 1232 01:23:36,420 --> 01:23:39,300 then when, when when Hillary Clinton invites him, and I'm 1233 01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,550 about to get on a tangent. And I'm trying to I'm trying to 1234 01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:46,410 suppress it. You go, oh, I don't know, because I'm about to get 1235 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:50,730 agitated here. The very person that she was called and called a 1236 01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:55,320 super predator. Jay Z at the time, she says that she brings 1237 01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:03,090 her him on stage. Right to to campaign for her in 2016. How 1238 01:24:03,090 --> 01:24:06,930 nasty is that? Yeah, 1239 01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:12,420 I'm from both Hillary and Jay Z. Both. Yeah. 1240 01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:15,840 And then Kai is the bad guy, because he's saying thanks for 1241 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:16,620 yourself. Well, 1242 01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:19,920 you know what, I think we need to call JC out as it Khun my 1243 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,380 friend. This is not good. What he's been doing. 1244 01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:27,000 Well, if you go by the definition of if you what they 1245 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,500 say, if you cause more criticism of your people, and then you 1246 01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:38,550 have the right. Yeah, I didn't make the definition and not what 1247 01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:40,890 I'm saying. And we need to have that standard towards a lot of 1248 01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:44,040 people. And we will start saying getting rid of I thought I'd say 1249 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,050 this all the time. A lot of them gotta go. 1250 01:24:47,070 --> 01:24:49,800 For a future show. Mo we definitely have to do the 1251 01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:53,490 deconstruction of hip hop. I mean, I'd love to do that with 1252 01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:56,520 you because you just like it's like a million things going 1253 01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,620 through my head. We've got to move forward with Kanye, but 1254 01:24:58,650 --> 01:25:03,120 oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Bye. I've lived this because I lived I'm 1255 01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,780 sorry, we see how Kanye comes under attack for being a free 1256 01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:11,730 thinker and being a free man. But not only from me, black 1257 01:25:11,730 --> 01:25:14,340 community, but other communities as well. 1258 01:25:14,850 --> 01:25:19,650 And when I sat there, seven years and six years in to the 1259 01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:23,220 Obama administration, when I was sitting at the, at the Met boss, 1260 01:25:23,370 --> 01:25:25,740 when I was sitting in front of white people, and they thought, 1261 01:25:26,190 --> 01:25:29,820 I wouldn't thought you like Trump because of the racism. So 1262 01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:33,930 you mean, tell me I make every decision based off my color. The 1263 01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:37,800 most racist thing a person could tell me is that I was supposed 1264 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,370 to choose something based on my race. If that was the case, I 1265 01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:44,370 wouldn't have never wore pink polo. I wouldn't have never wear 1266 01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:49,020 skinny jeans everywhere I go. People pass bowling in mind. And 1267 01:25:49,020 --> 01:25:53,790 I'm the one who are you eat fish sticks? Because I have skinny 1268 01:25:53,790 --> 01:26:00,360 jeans. I'm the guy who said Stop gay bashing. Right? I took that 1269 01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,450 l consequence to that l he had to go to Queens the next day. 1270 01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:07,860 Pizza, you know, I'm saying like, hip hop was dropping F 1271 01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:11,370 bombs. And I said stop. You can play the footage. I said, stop 1272 01:26:11,370 --> 01:26:16,830 it. As soon as I said, Clozaril sundae just like Chick fil A. 1273 01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:23,910 There was LGBTQ articles, saying they need to boycott my company. 1274 01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:27,630 I said George Bush don't care about black people. As soon as I 1275 01:26:27,630 --> 01:26:31,620 wore a red hat. I'm a cool. You can't do enough for nobody out 1276 01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:33,510 here. So how about I stopped? 1277 01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:36,360 Nice. Nice. 1278 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,490 Yeah, that's even the LGBT community came after him. Just 1279 01:26:41,490 --> 01:26:44,040 because he said clothes and one of his lyrics and news and the 1280 01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,860 new album. He said closed on Sunday like shit for like, even 1281 01:26:46,860 --> 01:26:48,150 mentioned in the words chick 1282 01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:51,210 fillet. Makes you transphobic or so. 1283 01:26:51,509 --> 01:26:55,949 Right? Makes them Yeah, makes them homophobic which they 1284 01:26:55,949 --> 01:26:59,279 didn't play the footage. But we will. Coyote takes our 1285 01:26:59,279 --> 01:27:00,089 homophobia. 1286 01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:06,450 Hey, by the high school be like Yo, you got to like a fag. You 1287 01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:14,280 ever been like, Are you gay? And I used to deal with that when I 1288 01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:18,540 was in high school. And what happened? Is it um, it made me 1289 01:27:19,410 --> 01:27:23,400 kind of like homophobic because it's like, I will like go back 1290 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,730 and like questioning myself like them. Why they why else walk 1291 01:27:26,730 --> 01:27:29,760 like this. And I walk like this. So why don't you start just 1292 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,010 looking because you don't realize until Yeah, high school 1293 01:27:32,010 --> 01:27:36,570 people like yo fam, look at you. Look at how you add if you see 1294 01:27:36,570 --> 01:27:38,850 something and you don't want to be that because it's such a 1295 01:27:38,850 --> 01:27:42,330 negative connotation towards it. You try to separate yourself 1296 01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:47,160 from it so much that it may be homophobic. By the time I was 1297 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,650 still in high school, like anybody I was gay. I was like, 1298 01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:54,030 Yo, get away from me. And really, like Tupac said, started 1299 01:27:54,030 --> 01:27:59,790 hanging with hooks, and you look up, and all my friends were like 1300 01:27:59,790 --> 01:28:05,550 really thugged out. And it's kind of like I was racing to 1301 01:28:05,550 --> 01:28:09,810 trial, try to find that constant, masculine role model 1302 01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:15,480 right there. To the point where it's like, I would really 1303 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:18,360 discriminate like I use the word facts, facts, facts, facts, like 1304 01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:23,130 always condescending towards gays, and I look and look down 1305 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:29,310 upon gays. And I remember my cousin told me that another one 1306 01:28:29,310 --> 01:28:33,570 of my cousins was gay. And at that point, it's kind of when 1307 01:28:33,630 --> 01:28:39,120 the turning point where I was like, yo, yo, this is my cousin. 1308 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,330 I love him like I've been discriminating against gays. 1309 01:28:43,710 --> 01:28:46,350 It's like, do I discriminate against my cousin, and then 1310 01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:48,660 everything starts to click, you know, brings his partner with 1311 01:28:48,660 --> 01:28:54,660 them to like Thanksgiving and holiday. And you just had to sit 1312 01:28:54,660 --> 01:29:01,230 back and think like them you know, hip hop really is about it 1313 01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:03,090 seems like it's about like fighting for your rights in the 1314 01:29:03,090 --> 01:29:06,300 beginning about speaking your mind and about breaking down 1315 01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:12,600 barriers or whatever. But everybody and hip hop, 1316 01:29:13,140 --> 01:29:15,540 discriminate discriminates against gay people. 1317 01:29:17,220 --> 01:29:20,940 I haven't listened to enough to corroborate that. But I'm sure 1318 01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:21,480 it's true. 1319 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:29,340 It was a sense of I can I can. I can. Yeah. It just the word. I 1320 01:29:29,340 --> 01:29:32,760 mean, even if they didn't mean it in the technical word. The 1321 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,680 word gay. It was it was a slur. Oh, man, you're gay. Or you're I 1322 01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,910 mean, like, it wasn't. I mean, I will I will validate that claim. 1323 01:29:42,150 --> 01:29:45,720 And you know what? Hip Hop charter Council Cartier were 1324 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:52,890 saying this back in 2005. Wow. I mean, you can't wait like this. 1325 01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:55,650 I'm not being apologetic because I mean, I have some criticism 1326 01:29:55,650 --> 01:30:02,310 for him as well. But, um, yeah. So Oh, you brought up the point 1327 01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:08,400 of me and other people couching statements are filtering, self 1328 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:14,040 filtering? Yes. There is a reason for that. And Mr. WEB 1329 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,820 DuBois, we brought him up in the show may not have been critical 1330 01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:22,290 of him on the show. But he did. He also did some great writing. 1331 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:28,140 Before, I believe that he was co opted by the NAACP, um, maybe 1332 01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:31,980 unknowingly, maybe normally, who knows, but he made some great 1333 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,150 points in his book, The Souls of Black folks of the thing called 1334 01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:43,920 the double consciousness, and we're gonna cover that in 19. 1335 01:30:46,350 --> 01:30:51,600 Welcome to the Macat Multimedia Series on Macat Analysis of W. 1336 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:58,620 EB Dubois is The Souls of Black Folk. How does racism affect 1337 01:30:58,620 --> 01:31:05,310 identity? W. EB Dubois wrote The Souls of Black Folk in 1903. The 1338 01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:09,330 book exposed the material causes of racism at the time and 1339 01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:14,190 explain the effects that racism has on black identity. Dubois 1340 01:31:14,190 --> 01:31:18,150 wanted to show his readers the strange meaning of being black. 1341 01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:22,320 He believed at the dawn of the 20th century, that the laws and 1342 01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,650 the society that had prevented blacks from achieving equality 1343 01:31:25,650 --> 01:31:29,490 in a post slavery era would continue to pose a problem for 1344 01:31:29,490 --> 01:31:34,050 black identity. He argued that as a result of this, blacks and 1345 01:31:34,050 --> 01:31:37,620 whites in the United States were separated by a color line. 1346 01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:42,330 Dubois his book pioneered a related concept, he believed 1347 01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:45,960 that the color line did more than deny blacks fair access to 1348 01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,610 jobs, education and opportunity, it actually weighed so heavily 1349 01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:53,280 on their souls that it prevented them from achieving their 1350 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:58,050 potential as human beings. He used the term the veil, to 1351 01:31:58,050 --> 01:32:01,740 describe the way in which racism made it hard for whites to see 1352 01:32:01,740 --> 01:32:05,880 blacks as true Americans and for blacks to see themselves in 1353 01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,120 anything other than the way they were portrayed by whites. 1354 01:32:09,780 --> 01:32:13,560 Finally, Dubois wrote of the double consciousness produced by 1355 01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,220 wearing a veil, the split identity that blacks feel as 1356 01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:21,390 they attempt to be both American and African in a white society 1357 01:32:21,390 --> 01:32:24,000 where one identity is less equal than the other. 1358 01:32:24,780 --> 01:32:33,780 The veil. Okay. Yeah, so that's internally baked into us. And to 1359 01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:40,110 it's a process of breaking free from that, oh, we've seen Kai 1360 01:32:40,110 --> 01:32:44,790 successfully do that in certain ways. But still, even he does 1361 01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:52,860 it. It is. So weird phenomenon. Because I will say this, I don't 1362 01:32:52,860 --> 01:32:57,420 think Black existed before America. And why I say before 1363 01:32:57,480 --> 01:32:59,850 people get their panties in that much what I mean by that is 1364 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:04,050 backing out Africa, you was known by your tribe, right? 1365 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,400 That's just like back in Europe, you are known by your country, 1366 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:14,610 or you know, when you got here, then we get the binary thing of 1367 01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:22,620 black and white. So what is black? Is it how I feel? Or is 1368 01:33:22,620 --> 01:33:27,090 it how society sees me? I mean, it's this constant calculation 1369 01:33:27,630 --> 01:33:32,910 going on in the brain of balancing the two. And you only 1370 01:33:32,910 --> 01:33:38,400 get free when you stop thinking in the terms of both. And that's 1371 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,820 when you say this is a free man talking, I understood exactly 1372 01:33:41,820 --> 01:33:44,730 what he was saying. Ah, 1373 01:33:45,450 --> 01:33:48,000 which had a different meaning for me, but I completely I 1374 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,370 completely understand it because you mean a free man talking 1375 01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:55,620 obviously, free man is a throwback to slavery. Yeah, but 1376 01:33:55,620 --> 01:33:59,550 also, I'm free. And I feel like that free in my mind free to say 1377 01:33:59,550 --> 01:34:01,560 what I want free to feel how I want. 1378 01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:07,470 But there's a few of us a free very few of us. It's 1379 01:34:07,499 --> 01:34:13,919 incomprehensible for me to understand, to feel what it 1380 01:34:13,919 --> 01:34:15,959 feels like to have that veil, 1381 01:34:17,010 --> 01:34:20,940 what you're starting to feel it. And like I said, I'm not capable 1382 01:34:20,940 --> 01:34:24,780 for you. You're starting to feel it. Yeah. Because now you have 1383 01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:31,050 to think of Mr. White male. Or, you know, how is this gonna 1384 01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:38,160 land? Is that a fair assessment because of how that term is 1385 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:42,510 being stigma is being stigmatized and stereotype now, 1386 01:34:42,660 --> 01:34:45,360 oh, yeah. White male being the evil of all things in the 1387 01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,800 universe in the patriarchy. 1388 01:34:47,249 --> 01:34:50,669 Right. So now you're starting to see I can't say that because 1389 01:34:50,669 --> 01:34:53,849 I'll be perceived as a white male. I will. That's a 1390 01:34:53,879 --> 01:34:58,109 hypothesis or calculation I made, but I will assume so. 1391 01:34:58,230 --> 01:35:01,770 I'll tell you I'll tell you why. That's No, that's not it. Should 1392 01:35:01,770 --> 01:35:05,700 I tell you something with this show? Uh huh. In the beginning, 1393 01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:13,950 we first started and I got comments on it. I was worried is 1394 01:35:13,950 --> 01:35:18,420 not the right word. I was anticipating a lot of criticism. 1395 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:26,160 You know, it's very similar to what we're talking about here 1396 01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,980 with Kanye is oh, okay, now you're sucking up now you're 1397 01:35:28,980 --> 01:35:32,400 sucking up to the to the black guy. Someone tweeted something 1398 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,370 early on. I forgot what it was. But it was like, Oh, now you get 1399 01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:37,560 to eat grits with them. Yes. Some shit like that. 1400 01:35:37,919 --> 01:35:38,909 Right now you Whoa. 1401 01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:45,300 Yeah, but it was, it was that I'm like, well, or here's 1402 01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:49,590 something else. When you and I are talking. I certainly have a 1403 01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:54,630 filter in place. Don't talk black Adam. Because it's easy. 1404 01:35:54,660 --> 01:35:57,960 You know, it's easy to get into Yo, bro, what's up? You know? 1405 01:35:58,230 --> 01:36:01,350 And I don't talk like that normally. But that's just it's 1406 01:36:01,350 --> 01:36:04,680 normal conversation. You flow that you and I 1407 01:36:07,020 --> 01:36:10,680 is that a normal phenomenon? Because when Tina Turner when I 1408 01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,100 went to English, he came out with an English accent saw me 1409 01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:14,370 like 1410 01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:17,160 I'm doing it. Anyway. Bullock. I mean, Tina Turner. 1411 01:36:17,879 --> 01:36:21,569 Let's be honest here. So I don't know if that's yeah, that has 1412 01:36:21,630 --> 01:36:24,960 of course, Madonna had the same thing. She lived in England all 1413 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,540 sudden Madonna. Yeah, she had the same thing. So that's 1414 01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:31,560 assimilation. And I'm very chameleon esque like that, I 1415 01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:34,770 assume right in very quickly. But in my mind when when you and 1416 01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:39,120 I are talking. I do make a subconscious effort to just be 1417 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,270 me and not get sucked in. Because I know I will be 1418 01:36:42,270 --> 01:36:43,350 criticized for that. 1419 01:36:44,580 --> 01:36:47,520 Now imagining being like that 24/7 Fuck 1420 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:48,330 that noise. 1421 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:52,890 Web web divorce party. 1422 01:36:54,090 --> 01:36:56,700 We can understand double consciousness better if we 1423 01:36:56,700 --> 01:37:00,870 compare it to a work life balance scenario. Meet Sasha. 1424 01:37:01,350 --> 01:37:05,190 She has two identities. She is both a full time single mother 1425 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,150 and a full time company executive. Both roles are part 1426 01:37:09,150 --> 01:37:13,230 of Sasha's reality, but they often overlap and create anguish 1427 01:37:13,230 --> 01:37:17,490 in her daily life. When her son is sick from school, she leaves 1428 01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:21,780 work to take care of him. When work is busy, she misses events 1429 01:37:21,780 --> 01:37:26,130 like her son's school concert. The contradiction of double aims 1430 01:37:26,130 --> 01:37:30,030 leaves her feeling unfulfilled and her potential unrealized. 1431 01:37:30,510 --> 01:37:34,380 Realizing this her boss offers her flexible working hours so 1432 01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:38,070 she is able to fulfill her role in the company and her role as a 1433 01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:42,570 mother without the two conflicting. This solution, a 1434 01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:46,230 merging of a conflicted double self into a better and truer 1435 01:37:46,230 --> 01:37:48,930 self that is free of contradiction was something that 1436 01:37:48,930 --> 01:37:54,180 Dubois hoped for. He talked of lifting the veil, a metaphor for 1437 01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:57,900 white society recognizing the equality of African American 1438 01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:02,640 people. Dubois became a central figure in shaping the movements 1439 01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:06,870 that ended American segregation and colonialism in Africa and 1440 01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:11,580 Asia. He is regarded as a great figure of history. A more 1441 01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:14,970 detailed analysis of his ideas can be found in the MACAT 1442 01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:15,900 analysis 1443 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:25,800 so So there, there you have it. But when you lift the veil, it 1444 01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:29,730 comes into price. It's always when you become free it comes at 1445 01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:35,730 a price. But people like myself and others are willing to pay 1446 01:38:35,730 --> 01:38:41,460 that price now it just like there is no Boogeyman. Oh, 1447 01:38:41,490 --> 01:38:45,270 there's no Boogeyman. There's no castling either. We're slowly 1448 01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:49,650 starting to realize that you can't counsel me. And I think 1449 01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:54,180 Kanye has pioneered that to the point of you can't be counseled 1450 01:38:54,180 --> 01:38:57,000 and you can't be silenced. And we've seen that in the next 1451 01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:57,330 clip. 1452 01:38:57,750 --> 01:39:00,180 I got to think man black people are like the housekeepers of 1453 01:39:00,180 --> 01:39:04,380 America. Think about how your housekeeper yep saying they got 1454 01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:06,540 a certain volume they supposed to talk in a house we got a 1455 01:39:06,540 --> 01:39:11,190 certain volume we supposed to talk in America. So what do you 1456 01:39:11,190 --> 01:39:13,860 think if a housekeeper is screaming in my house what do 1457 01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:16,770 you think the other housekeepers gonna tell them? Be quiet? Be 1458 01:39:16,770 --> 01:39:20,010 quiet yay. Be quiet again. 1459 01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,160 don't disrupt the house don't 1460 01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:27,210 disrupt America. Yay. We orphans out here but don't disrupt 1461 01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,310 there is what if What if some people feel like you signed in 1462 01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:35,100 with the slave master to if we're in the house and Mr. Trump 1463 01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:39,840 household? It's like just like she has you siding with with the 1464 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,650 slave master. If we're if we're both in the House, then I see 1465 01:39:43,650 --> 01:39:46,950 you rolling through wearing the red hat. I'm like, man, he just 1466 01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:51,270 like this dude over here and my speaking it maybe or other 1467 01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:55,260 speaking it may be but I'm saying how do we separate that? 1468 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,680 If we're both in the house we like man. I rather 1469 01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,530 deal with somebody who call me Were to my face and a person 1470 01:40:01,530 --> 01:40:03,900 assigned me for a lifetime deal on a 250 fax 1471 01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:07,530 page on my contract. gotcha. I gotcha. 1472 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,680 I rather know what I'm dealing with. That's why when I walk in 1473 01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,810 when anyone and keep knocking on my chest like this while I'm 1474 01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:16,650 dealing with, but I'm here, this was this is what I'm dealing 1475 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:20,700 with. It has been institutionalized slave mastery 1476 01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:26,400 as slavery. Our mentality is only one of the two. Now we need 1477 01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:27,390 to find freedom. 1478 01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:31,020 Yeah, that was good. It's two sides of the coin. 1479 01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:37,530 So the he Yeah, he gave you two options. And a lot of black 1480 01:40:37,530 --> 01:40:41,760 people had to realize this. We only have two options. Are you 1481 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:46,890 going to be a slave? Are you going to be free? That's the 1482 01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:53,670 only two options you have. But a lot of times liberal ideology 1483 01:40:53,670 --> 01:40:57,510 wants us to be coddled. So you can't say that to them. Your you 1484 01:40:57,510 --> 01:41:02,670 know, like, go back to the kid. Give your give that black lady a 1485 01:41:02,670 --> 01:41:03,300 higher tip. 1486 01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:08,280 And where the safety. Right. 1487 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,590 And it's not like, it's not even for the benefit us it's for the 1488 01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:18,570 benefit of whatever they're dealing with. Right. But they 1489 01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:23,610 use us as the excuse for wanting to feel that way. But 1490 01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:29,610 I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, also, big boy there. He 1491 01:41:29,610 --> 01:41:34,680 basically rewound all progress and everything back to me in 1492 01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:39,510 1969. With my parents and the kids who showed up. So like, 1493 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,140 don't don't disrupt, don't do anything up should be quiet. I 1494 01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:46,080 mean, that's basically what he's saying is like, nothing has 1495 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:46,830 changed. 1496 01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:54,870 Yeah, like I said, Be quiet. Yeah, I mean, so. But I think 1497 01:41:56,550 --> 01:42:01,260 that the fractures are so deep now that people are starting to 1498 01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:05,970 wake up. And you'll see you hear more about this in the next 1499 01:42:05,970 --> 01:42:06,330 clip. 1500 01:42:06,780 --> 01:42:10,050 If you talk about politics, then you are not in service to 1501 01:42:10,050 --> 01:42:17,610 Christ, but to mute. And African Americans voice at this level, 1502 01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:24,630 is a form of slavery, and being a slave to the system, and to 1503 01:42:24,630 --> 01:42:27,750 people's perceptions. And the reality of what people have 1504 01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:32,430 chosen for our culture, since we are orphans is not in service to 1505 01:42:32,430 --> 01:42:38,490 God. And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery. And we 1506 01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:42,570 are African Americans. And we are still dealing with modern 1507 01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:46,980 day slavery. We still have record contracts, publishing 1508 01:42:46,980 --> 01:42:57,120 deals, touring deals, management deals, radio deals, that we not 1509 01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:04,800 the owners. Until we really own our own community really make 1510 01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:09,510 Wakanda. For real, this is gonna take more than the Jesus chain. 1511 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,660 We got to make all kinds of product with us to go, you know 1512 01:43:12,660 --> 01:43:13,890 what I'm saying? Man, I've 1513 01:43:13,890 --> 01:43:14,460 been waiting. 1514 01:43:17,070 --> 01:43:21,150 Yeah. So so he said, you have we have to you have to build your 1515 01:43:21,150 --> 01:43:29,910 own to be in control of it. And it's we have that. At the end of 1516 01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:32,700 the day, and I actually heard that term. That's all right, 1517 01:43:32,730 --> 01:43:36,720 who's that? Who signs off all this negativity, it comes 1518 01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:37,380 through hip hop. 1519 01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,670 Oh, the record label publishers, they're the ones that sign off 1520 01:43:41,670 --> 01:43:43,350 on it, put it out, distribute it make money. 1521 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:50,400 So either we have to start to things you could do start 1522 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:57,690 supplying them with that. Or become the owners of the record 1523 01:43:57,690 --> 01:44:01,350 labels where you can say, No, I won't. I won't condone this. I 1524 01:44:01,350 --> 01:44:05,670 won't condone this. The The thing is, is it's kind of like 1525 01:44:05,670 --> 01:44:08,910 you heard of a food desert, right? Yep. There's an 1526 01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:12,870 entertainment desert. To where if you only want to see if you 1527 01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:15,870 want to see something that reflects you. There's only one 1528 01:44:15,870 --> 01:44:20,790 brand there's only junk there's only mental junk food. So that's 1529 01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:24,540 the only option you leave me with is like either I can watch 1530 01:44:24,540 --> 01:44:28,110 shows that don't have people that don't look like me that 1531 01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:34,710 have great stories that have great um, I'm great writing. Or 1532 01:44:34,710 --> 01:44:37,290 I can watch bullcrap 1533 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:42,960 it right now. One of the I think someone who has been doing this 1534 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:46,440 all his professional career is having a tough time as a big 1535 01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:51,660 lawsuit as Byron Allen. Byron Allen is an owner and he is a 1536 01:44:51,660 --> 01:44:56,010 television mogul. Now granted, it's smaller channels that he's 1537 01:44:56,010 --> 01:45:00,000 got, but they're all black oriented. And and he's having a 1538 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,510 Hard tie I think there's a lawsuit between him and Comcast. 1539 01:45:03,870 --> 01:45:10,170 Yes it is. Because Comcast won't carry his his programming. That 1540 01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:13,890 to me is is I mean that just shows you that this guy Barnala 1541 01:45:13,890 --> 01:45:17,790 has been he's been trying to or has been building his empire for 1542 01:45:17,790 --> 01:45:22,650 decades and he's still coming up against these you know these 1543 01:45:22,650 --> 01:45:25,920 roadblocks and getting I find getting very little support I 1544 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,500 mean obviously you're not going to hear much about it in the in 1545 01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:31,650 the mainstream for obvious reasons that guy's competition 1546 01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:34,500 but I hear very little support 1547 01:45:37,050 --> 01:45:43,230 Yeah, because he's not seen by the quote unquote culture as 1548 01:45:45,060 --> 01:45:48,750 included let's just be honest, let's just be honest here he's 1549 01:45:48,750 --> 01:45:52,950 not so you don't have any other case and a lot of like I said, 1550 01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:56,070 there's pockets of people that showing support for him, but 1551 01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:59,310 overall, you're not getting that push that you think you would 1552 01:45:59,310 --> 01:46:04,500 get for this kind of case. Exactly. Even from what ask the 1553 01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:08,250 question Where is the well that's a that's a bad question 1554 01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:11,730 because they're fighting against their competition. So I'm gonna 1555 01:46:11,730 --> 01:46:13,680 say where's the media witness? They're gonna 1556 01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:16,620 That's exactly it. They're gonna suppress it because you know, 1557 01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,980 he's competition that he's good competition I don't have it here 1558 01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:22,080 on my on my cable. I can't watch it. 1559 01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:29,040 Yeah, but the negativity you get it nonstop. 24/7 Yeah, yeah, you 1560 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:33,450 get you get questioned if you don't want to make it or if you 1561 01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:37,410 don't want to support it. But let's get into the final clip 1562 01:46:37,410 --> 01:46:39,120 about Kanye can't be silenced. 1563 01:46:39,330 --> 01:46:41,670 Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yay. 1564 01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,780 I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm afraid of my daddy. 1565 01:46:45,810 --> 01:46:51,270 God. I would have been 15 years I'm telling you. God is showing 1566 01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:55,920 that you can have your own thoughts bro. I've been cast 1567 01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:00,720 before there was canceled culture who told you that my 1568 01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,200 career would be over the same people that are telling you that 1569 01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,840 you can't have a right to say who you will vote for those 1570 01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:10,350 people who will be soon to take Jesus out to school those people 1571 01:47:10,350 --> 01:47:15,240 will be soon to remove Jesus period from America which is the 1572 01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:19,260 Bible Belt those people will be so mad Come on man. I finna go 1573 01:47:19,260 --> 01:47:27,030 Alex John level a young man like Wake up wake up Mr. West wake up 1574 01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:30,780 Koecher wake up a by think they so woke. But they following the 1575 01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:34,260 rules the world woke supposed to be hip hop. They never been 1576 01:47:34,260 --> 01:47:37,230 about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel. I'm 1577 01:47:37,230 --> 01:47:40,080 gonna take the Louie. I'm like, I'm gonna do what the Polo I'm 1578 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,200 gonna do it like this. Even like the way Hello, let me use my 1579 01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,840 African American voice. Let me use my Disney approved voice. 1580 01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,290 Let me you hear I'm saying we're not even speaking in our own 1581 01:47:49,290 --> 01:47:53,910 language, bro. Like, we talk louder than this. Africans talk 1582 01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:58,140 louder. Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder, but we speak in 1583 01:47:58,140 --> 01:48:01,950 our corporate voice or we don't want to ruin the deal voice or 1584 01:48:01,950 --> 01:48:08,940 this one. Bro. I love y'all man. And I love me. And I love 1585 01:48:08,940 --> 01:48:13,230 Christ. And you also love to see this. I'm not gonna tell you 1586 01:48:13,230 --> 01:48:16,410 what y'all should do. I'm just doing I do. If you love it, then 1587 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:20,910 cool. If y'all want to meet na go make a difference. Honestly, 1588 01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:27,570 I've been killed so many times on social media. And I'm still 1589 01:48:27,570 --> 01:48:29,160 here. I'll still look at me. 1590 01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:34,980 I actually rewind that on the on the interview where it goes. 1591 01:48:35,700 --> 01:48:38,370 What did he say? Me? I didn't I didn't get it. 1592 01:48:38,730 --> 01:48:42,840 It's just like you baby. I want to kill me like Yeah, I wanna 1593 01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:46,320 what's the term was it wasn't it wasn't it was it was nonverbal. 1594 01:48:46,350 --> 01:48:50,010 It's like, okay, it was like an autumn on a pier kind of thing. 1595 01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:55,290 Okay. So I got 1596 01:48:55,290 --> 01:48:57,720 the, I just want to make sure I wasn't missing a word. 1597 01:48:57,839 --> 01:49:00,899 Yeah, he would love to translate him. Yeah, it was it was more of 1598 01:49:00,899 --> 01:49:07,169 a Yeah, it was Yeah. Um, so he brings up a great thing, a great 1599 01:49:07,169 --> 01:49:14,759 topic that is near and dear to your heart. Social media and I 1600 01:49:14,759 --> 01:49:19,499 think there's a lot of where I brought up in the last show how 1601 01:49:19,499 --> 01:49:23,129 they use the television during the Civil Rights Movement. That 1602 01:49:23,159 --> 01:49:29,999 the this new movement this new movement, a woke ism was The 1603 01:49:29,999 --> 01:49:35,309 battleground is social media. Yes. And that's why he's been 1604 01:49:35,309 --> 01:49:39,119 the number one victim um, I want to say victim number number one 1605 01:49:39,149 --> 01:49:42,029 because he dad was taking them down yet. He's the number one 1606 01:49:42,029 --> 01:49:46,949 target. And he's aware of that. Um, but let's listen to Kanye 1607 01:49:46,949 --> 01:49:48,329 talk about social media 1608 01:49:48,570 --> 01:49:54,270 with social media. People are brainwashed by people are 1609 01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:58,230 addicted to it. It is the modern day cigarettes when cigarettes 1610 01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:02,130 first came out and Edward Bernays created the created the 1611 01:50:02,130 --> 01:50:06,780 torches of freedom march to get women to feel empowered. Yep, by 1612 01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:10,080 smoking cigarettes is from Century itself. And it shows 1613 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:17,940 that Edward Bernays was Freud's cousin. So, you know, I don't 1614 01:50:17,940 --> 01:50:20,220 know if I should even even talk anymore. It's like, 1615 01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:26,220 there's so much to ask you. I just thought you might be five 1616 01:50:26,220 --> 01:50:28,920 more years where I might be president, by the time I speak 1617 01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,110 to you next year, how we aren't going to be on the, on the 1618 01:50:31,110 --> 01:50:33,090 pecking order when you're president. You 1619 01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:36,210 write down? No, we'll do our interview with an interview. I 1620 01:50:36,210 --> 01:50:38,280 don't do a lot of interviews. anybody does. Good to see you. 1621 01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,620 Again. I'll probably do more interviews when I'm president. 1622 01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:47,130 2024, I still think it's still that's the that's the timeframe. 1623 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:51,300 We're working on working on some things right now. So yeah, the 1624 01:50:52,530 --> 01:50:58,590 what I'm saying is, people are addicted to social media. Well, 1625 01:50:58,590 --> 01:50:58,770 there's 1626 01:50:59,580 --> 01:51:02,340 no disagreement for me on that. Obviously, 1627 01:51:02,940 --> 01:51:06,270 I set that up bad because that is from another interview during 1628 01:51:06,270 --> 01:51:10,770 this press run for this release. And what it was was, he was 1629 01:51:10,770 --> 01:51:17,010 allowed to give context in this interview. Ah, I noticed. Just 1630 01:51:17,010 --> 01:51:19,950 want to say this right, quick, I noticed that the 22 interviews, 1631 01:51:19,950 --> 01:51:25,410 he was more relaxed in this interview, because it was it was 1632 01:51:25,410 --> 01:51:29,430 a white interviewer. And I don't think he had to feel like he had 1633 01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:32,370 he was being pressed by the culture as he was in the say, 1634 01:51:32,370 --> 01:51:33,600 The Big Boy video, right? It 1635 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:38,220 wasn't, it was It wasn't adversarial. Interview. Yes. 1636 01:51:38,700 --> 01:51:41,790 He wasn't on guard. So the next couple of clips, he's going to 1637 01:51:41,790 --> 01:51:47,730 come from that interview because he was actually allowed to lay 1638 01:51:47,730 --> 01:51:51,180 out what he thought the problems was with social media. So that 1639 01:51:51,180 --> 01:51:55,140 was the only way I could get the proper context for the Instagram 1640 01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:56,250 guy to be he was. 1641 01:51:58,710 --> 01:52:00,000 He allowed himself 1642 01:52:00,630 --> 01:52:10,140 to speak freely. Well, I'll say this. Big Boy was pressing him. 1643 01:52:11,970 --> 01:52:16,650 True, it was more of a it was more of a cross examine. Yeah. 1644 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:21,660 It was your question. Let you elaborate on what you think. 1645 01:52:21,690 --> 01:52:25,200 Right? It was, it was more Yeah, it was more like a perfect world 1646 01:52:25,230 --> 01:52:29,160 would be cross examined. And I think he really got on the 1647 01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:33,540 defensive, because in that veil, kicked in, right veil fell back 1648 01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:35,910 down, because he's like, now I gotta be careful how I say 1649 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:41,520 stuff. Because I don't want to be further. I think he even says 1650 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:45,630 that he does care. Yeah, how he's seen, but he doesn't care 1651 01:52:45,630 --> 01:52:48,540 enough to change who he is. And I just think that's part of 1652 01:52:48,540 --> 01:52:52,440 coyotes, ego. And I think all of us should be like that in a way 1653 01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:56,070 that you know what, I care about your feelings, but I care about 1654 01:52:56,070 --> 01:53:00,030 my mental health more. And I wrote a lot of people wrong that 1655 01:53:00,030 --> 01:53:04,530 way. Because I do give people a disclaimer, I say, Do you really 1656 01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:08,430 want to know how I feel? Before before? Before I answer? 1657 01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:11,190 I'd be like, No, nevermind. 1658 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,200 Hey, I'm gonna give you the honest truth because I'm not 1659 01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:21,150 gonna live in I think this is no, we're gonna wrap soon. But, 1660 01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:26,190 um, I think people's mental health is really effective, 1661 01:53:26,220 --> 01:53:29,640 because we've had to live in an alternate reality and a lot of 1662 01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:29,970 people. 1663 01:53:30,450 --> 01:53:34,290 Oh, without without a doubt, oh, no, this is it. Social media has 1664 01:53:34,290 --> 01:53:38,220 been incredibly destructive. In particular, because there are 1665 01:53:38,460 --> 01:53:42,000 alternative realities that are formed and you're bullied into 1666 01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:45,930 being one part of it and you're rewarded by the way when you 1667 01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:48,930 when you virtue signal and do whatever you need to do, then 1668 01:53:48,930 --> 01:53:51,900 you get your likes and your retweets and your attaboys and 1669 01:53:51,900 --> 01:53:55,860 all that stuff. It's always the comparison with cigarettes is a 1670 01:53:55,860 --> 01:53:56,700 very good one. 1671 01:53:57,540 --> 01:54:00,270 Yeah, and I'm glad he used the air air Edward Bernays, because 1672 01:54:00,270 --> 01:54:01,410 we brought him up on the show. 1673 01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:07,080 Edward Bernays is a staple of what I've been doing on podcast 1674 01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:11,940 for 12 years. You know, the whole idea of propaganda PR and, 1675 01:54:11,940 --> 01:54:15,780 you know, it news is, if it's not pissing somebody off, it's 1676 01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:20,400 propaganda. You know, it's so it's, it's our life, our life is 1677 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,880 built. I mean, it half the new stories you read, are meant to 1678 01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:27,330 tear your mind up, or read. What am I saying half the new 1679 01:54:27,330 --> 01:54:30,720 stories, you're presented with our teen your mind up for some 1680 01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:34,410 damn movie that's coming out in two weeks. Just happens all the 1681 01:54:34,410 --> 01:54:38,370 time. So yeah, and I love that Kanye, you know, he knows 1682 01:54:38,370 --> 01:54:43,260 Bernays. He knows the connection to Sigmund Freud. He knows the 1683 01:54:43,260 --> 01:54:45,990 torches of freedom, which is women smoking cigarettes walking 1684 01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:51,330 down I think Fifth Avenue or Park Avenue. The Macy's Parade 1685 01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:54,420 Macy's, Macy's Parade says yep, that might have been west side. 1686 01:54:55,980 --> 01:54:59,970 So yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's right in tune. He's very he 1687 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:00,780 knows his history. 1688 01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:07,050 But he's crazy. Total nuts. So kaiyo Social to 1689 01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:13,650 social media prompts women in particular, to put out content 1690 01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:18,960 that they wouldn't have put out. Three to six addiction. Yeah, 1691 01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,470 would that? Yeah, it definitely could deal with my addiction. 1692 01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:26,670 But when I was younger, and I wanted to see something like 1693 01:55:26,670 --> 01:55:30,300 that, I had to, you know, pay someone that was older to go to 1694 01:55:30,300 --> 01:55:35,310 711 and buy it. Now I get friends they get have kids that 1695 01:55:35,310 --> 01:55:38,490 are in just had a grammar school in high school, that it's 1696 01:55:38,490 --> 01:55:43,830 completely available. There is no NSF W I load up right now on 1697 01:55:43,830 --> 01:55:47,310 this computer, and I'll load up some things. And you'll be like, 1698 01:55:47,310 --> 01:55:52,710 should that be NSFW or not? Is it just covering just a bit of 1699 01:55:52,710 --> 01:56:01,080 it? And you know, this people as a God fearing, marry Christian, 1700 01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:08,550 innovator, billionaire founder. No one's gonna take my opinion 1701 01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:09,300 away from me. 1702 01:56:13,530 --> 01:56:14,820 There's a free hand talking. 1703 01:56:15,540 --> 01:56:19,920 Yeah, and I like you. I mean, because it gives me other 1704 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:25,740 people. We've seen Kanye impact, the view on so many different 1705 01:56:25,740 --> 01:56:30,750 things, that I hope it inspires people to want to become 1706 01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:36,450 mentally free. That way we can get honesty. Now, I might not 1707 01:56:36,450 --> 01:56:39,630 agree with your freedom. But I'll rather deal with that and 1708 01:56:39,630 --> 01:56:42,840 deal with it with this. I don't know this superficial, 1709 01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:50,520 artificial state of society that we're at now. So great. Well, I 1710 01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:53,940 was going to say that what I liked about the interview much 1711 01:56:53,970 --> 01:56:58,470 earlier when Conway's talked to Conway, when Kanye is talking 1712 01:56:58,470 --> 01:57:05,010 about the gram got your bitch. It's, I had to think about it. 1713 01:57:05,670 --> 01:57:09,030 What I believe he's saying is, and I think he even said it to 1714 01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:14,460 some degree. It's so crazy. That the woman you love the person 1715 01:57:14,460 --> 01:57:19,320 you are in a relationship with thinks of sending something 1716 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:23,250 great to Instagram before she sends it to you. 1717 01:57:25,230 --> 01:57:29,310 carry you on social three. Boo, can you not be on social 1718 01:57:29,310 --> 01:57:39,420 media literally as we speak. It is just something else like this 1719 01:57:39,450 --> 01:57:42,330 either, like focus the energy here like, go somewhere else. 1720 01:57:42,330 --> 01:57:44,490 This isn't like what just do it in another room. But some, but 1721 01:57:44,490 --> 01:57:46,830 I'm not trying to put your blood. So just saying that. I'm 1722 01:57:46,830 --> 01:57:52,500 like that. No, but I go into this transcendent state inside 1723 01:57:52,500 --> 01:57:59,400 of us where like, all I'm actually reading Larry's mind. 1724 01:58:00,060 --> 01:58:03,120 What's Larry think as you're speaking, I'm actually reading 1725 01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:09,180 Josh's mind. I'm reading Mr. Boies mine, but what happened is 1726 01:58:09,180 --> 01:58:13,470 actually Case in point, something on the internet took a 1727 01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:16,380 distracted booze Midas we're talking about. 1728 01:58:18,420 --> 01:58:21,960 So as he's given this speech on social media, and I'm gonna get 1729 01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:23,850 a wrap back around to your point, but I wanted to show you 1730 01:58:23,850 --> 01:58:29,670 that as he's given this speech on social media, one of his 1731 01:58:30,420 --> 01:58:36,210 employees or entourage, it's actually on social media. It's 1732 01:58:36,210 --> 01:58:43,230 like it to your point. Yes. The Instagram does have you're a 1733 01:58:43,230 --> 01:58:48,840 woman. And so a lot of cases if St. Anne's society because one, 1734 01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:54,480 as you stated, they, they frame their whole and not only for 1735 01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:59,010 women, but Instagram has us because we present ourselves 1736 01:58:59,010 --> 01:59:03,270 better out to social media than we do to the people in the room 1737 01:59:03,270 --> 01:59:08,340 with us. And that's why I wanted to play that clip. Because to 1738 01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:11,760 social media, I mean, to some people, social media is more 1739 01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:12,960 important than reality. 1740 01:59:13,890 --> 01:59:21,180 No, it is the reality is a scary thing. 1741 01:59:21,900 --> 01:59:26,670 That's a very scary thought. And where are we at now? Where are 1742 01:59:26,670 --> 01:59:33,060 we in an altered reality? Um, and just the put a nice cherry 1743 01:59:33,060 --> 01:59:41,340 on top about the what we present to Instagram. If your husband 1744 01:59:41,670 --> 01:59:45,870 sees you a certain way, why do you feel like you need to put a 1745 01:59:45,870 --> 01:59:51,810 filter on for everybody else? Who are you living for? And I 1746 01:59:51,810 --> 01:59:54,030 don't have an answer to that. But just think about that. It's 1747 01:59:54,030 --> 01:59:59,130 like and what that does, it makes I think it's having a real 1748 01:59:59,130 --> 02:00:04,350 effect on system people's mental the way they perceive things 1749 02:00:04,350 --> 02:00:10,380 because we expect people to look like filters. Like, why? Why did 1750 02:00:10,380 --> 02:00:13,320 that person have bumps? Why don't I mean like what you know, 1751 02:00:13,350 --> 02:00:18,330 all the you know, if you if you only see people online and the 1752 02:00:18,330 --> 02:00:20,400 use of humor in real life is very jarring. 1753 02:00:20,430 --> 02:00:21,750 It's disappointing to 1754 02:00:23,310 --> 02:00:27,540 me is that that's very unhealthy. Yes. That's because 1755 02:00:27,540 --> 02:00:30,120 you what you're doing is creating and this goes back to 1756 02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:33,120 the mental health thing. You're creating a reality that you 1757 02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:37,050 can't live up to. And you wonder why people are disappointing. 1758 02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:41,280 And wait if you just be honest. And it just not let's say like 1759 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:43,050 physically but honest mentally. 1760 02:00:44,190 --> 02:00:46,410 Yeah, but honesty is frightening. Mo people are very 1761 02:00:46,410 --> 02:00:47,220 afraid of this 1762 02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:54,300 is dangerous. Right. So sir, I've no, we made it all the way 1763 02:00:54,300 --> 02:00:58,020 through. But can you please cue the Theramin? 1764 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:04,290 Of course. Everybody now we're going off the rails. We're going 1765 02:01:04,290 --> 02:01:09,780 nuts. All right. 1766 02:01:10,619 --> 02:01:14,909 We have entered the conspiracy theory portion of the show. And 1767 02:01:14,909 --> 02:01:19,559 we can't have a Monday's episode without being conspiracy 1768 02:01:19,559 --> 02:01:25,019 theories that we are. I heard kanyang doing all this Jesus 1769 02:01:25,019 --> 02:01:28,859 talk. Now I am a man, a man of faith myself. And I'm not trying 1770 02:01:28,859 --> 02:01:35,699 to question his his validity of his faith. But I was watching a 1771 02:01:36,599 --> 02:01:40,439 documentary The family on Netflix. 1772 02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:45,870 In my 20s, I stumbled my way in. And what I found was a secretive 1773 02:01:45,870 --> 02:01:49,230 Christian organization called the family that been hiding in 1774 02:01:49,230 --> 02:01:51,270 plain sight for over 80 years. 1775 02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:55,200 This was a group with tentacles around the world, a humble 1776 02:01:55,230 --> 02:01:58,440 example of leadership that the world has never seen 1777 02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:02,310 a breathtaking in measurement of church and state. There were 1778 02:02:02,370 --> 02:02:05,760 congressmen, senators, world leaders. And they say 1779 02:02:05,790 --> 02:02:09,420 it's about faith. But there's a shared understanding that what 1780 02:02:09,420 --> 02:02:13,080 we're really about here is power, like to single out Doug 1781 02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:15,840 Coe, Doug Coe, and all of his associates. 1782 02:02:16,499 --> 02:02:19,169 Doug COE is the longtime leader of the family. 1783 02:02:19,350 --> 02:02:22,440 He's the most powerful man in Washington you've never heard 1784 02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:22,560 of, 1785 02:02:23,009 --> 02:02:25,979 the more visible you can make your organization and more 1786 02:02:26,009 --> 02:02:27,539 influence it will have 1787 02:02:28,890 --> 02:02:32,400 Jesus plus nothing. It's a powerful thing. 1788 02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:35,700 Using the National Prayer Breakfast, they dispatch 1789 02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:37,950 representatives to build relationships with foreign 1790 02:02:37,950 --> 02:02:40,800 leaders. That is exactly the kind of meeting that I would 1791 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:45,990 want to support. For the family. Jesus says you must go to those 1792 02:02:45,990 --> 02:02:47,580 who are in positions of power. 1793 02:02:47,610 --> 02:02:51,420 God always uses imperfect vessels to do his perfect work. 1794 02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:52,980 President Trump's an imperfect vessel. 1795 02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:59,370 Jesus is the answer. But Jesus on Capitol Hill dou x. Because 1796 02:02:59,370 --> 02:03:01,680 we want our family to stay together. 1797 02:03:04,770 --> 02:03:09,000 Holy crap, I have not seen this trailer. What? What is this all 1798 02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:09,510 about? 1799 02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:15,540 Yes, it's the family. AKA The fellowship is a Christian 1800 02:03:15,540 --> 02:03:20,400 organization in Washington DC. Its leader with Doug Coe. 1801 02:03:20,610 --> 02:03:25,170 Ah, yes, yes, yes, of course. I remember this. This is like the 1802 02:03:25,530 --> 02:03:26,610 this is the Boulais. 1803 02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:33,540 It's the Christian bootleg. So they're the ones that hold the 1804 02:03:33,540 --> 02:03:36,720 regular public event each year the National Prayer Breakfast. 1805 02:03:36,869 --> 02:03:38,189 Right? That's it. Yep. 1806 02:03:40,230 --> 02:03:46,170 Now, I'm about to go there. I think? Well, I have to say this 1807 02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:53,370 Kanye was clearly doing the bidding of the Illuminati at one 1808 02:03:53,370 --> 02:03:58,260 point in his career so much so I had to part ways with even 1809 02:03:58,290 --> 02:03:59,640 listening to his music. 1810 02:04:00,210 --> 02:04:03,420 Oh, really? What call around what time what what music or 1811 02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:04,530 what songs were 1812 02:04:06,630 --> 02:04:15,540 started with? Twisted dark fantasy. He was saying some say 1813 02:04:15,540 --> 02:04:19,980 a lot of satanic stuff in there, that I was like, I really can't 1814 02:04:19,980 --> 02:04:23,190 do it. And then he came out with it. I could proceed to be the 1815 02:04:23,190 --> 02:04:28,800 blasphemous album Yeezus, which I've never heard before. It was 1816 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:35,610 a play on the word of Jesus. And so to the point where he would 1817 02:04:35,850 --> 02:04:40,440 was calling himself a god. And he and doing the show, he would 1818 02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:43,770 have a guy that looked like Jesus come on the stage and he 1819 02:04:43,770 --> 02:04:50,250 would basically have a it was very blasphemous. Now he goes 1820 02:04:50,250 --> 02:04:55,950 from Miss, I believe he may have been inducted by the family. 1821 02:04:57,180 --> 02:05:00,840 And why not? And why not? That would be the Power. That'd be a 1822 02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:03,060 great power center for him to operate from, 1823 02:05:03,540 --> 02:05:05,520 especially if you want to become president. 1824 02:05:06,540 --> 02:05:10,890 Oh, brother, I love you when you do this to me. And by the way, I 1825 02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:13,440 when Kanye said that he was going to run for president, I 1826 02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:16,770 was like, oh, yeah, he could do that the same thing with Trump 1827 02:05:16,770 --> 02:05:18,930 like, yeah, that crazy. He could do it. Right, right 1828 02:05:18,930 --> 02:05:20,280 circumstances he could go. 1829 02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:23,760 Because he did the same thing was saying tennis shoes. He was 1830 02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:26,220 like, ah, sneakers, he was like, Hey, I'm gonna have like a shoe 1831 02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:30,150 that rivals Jordan. And he did it. A lot of times when people 1832 02:05:30,150 --> 02:05:32,760 say certain things when certain people say certain things, you 1833 02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:39,090 have to listen. Oh, and listening Ella as as I do. As I 1834 02:05:39,090 --> 02:05:43,440 watched this, I didn't go on to this documentary thinking 1835 02:05:43,470 --> 02:05:46,860 anything the connection between them and Kanye. But as I 1836 02:05:46,860 --> 02:05:52,170 listened to members of the group talk, and it's and it's, they 1837 02:05:52,170 --> 02:05:57,660 have a substantial connection with black people inside the 1838 02:05:57,660 --> 02:06:03,750 country and black people in Africa, Uganda, Nigeria, a lot 1839 02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:08,070 of the dictators over there, the family has connections with 1840 02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:13,320 Uganda being one specifically. But let's listen to one of the 1841 02:06:13,320 --> 02:06:16,200 members of the family taught and family one. We see 1842 02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:20,100 this every day in our culture. We see great men who have done 1843 02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:23,850 great things come crashing down over some affair that just 1844 02:06:23,850 --> 02:06:29,460 exposed we talked to David the greatest man of war best what 1845 02:06:29,460 --> 02:06:32,490 Allah brings him down to his knees where that no conquering 1846 02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:36,210 army could defeat him but he ran from his own family. 1847 02:06:52,290 --> 02:06:56,400 Think existed for so long is because that we don't expose 1848 02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,780 ourselves to media. They just see what they appear to be a big 1849 02:07:00,780 --> 02:07:04,380 Oh surface argument with men raping one another. And I think 1850 02:07:04,380 --> 02:07:09,150 that's all going down there. The black dude was calling out the 1851 02:07:09,150 --> 02:07:11,820 white dudes, the white dudes trying to justify themselves to 1852 02:07:11,820 --> 02:07:13,950 the black dudes. They think that what's happening here. And of 1853 02:07:13,950 --> 02:07:16,110 course, if you come here initially assume one of those. 1854 02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:20,490 That is what's happening. But underneath that is, is a 1855 02:07:20,490 --> 02:07:23,070 powerful work that got us doing this actually changed men's 1856 02:07:23,070 --> 02:07:27,210 lives. But I would ask you something to think about while 1857 02:07:27,210 --> 02:07:31,080 you're sitting here is what are the lies that you have been 1858 02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:35,280 telling yourself? And which one of those lies have you come 1859 02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:42,990 to believe? Have you watched the series yet? Yes. Because when I 1860 02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:46,470 just at the surface, and hearing the promo and these bits and 1861 02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:50,160 pieces and like, sounds and this seems like a bunch of dickheads 1862 02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:50,820 to me, too. 1863 02:07:52,770 --> 02:07:57,060 I'm not saying they're good. Okay. Oh, no, no, no, let me in 1864 02:07:57,060 --> 02:08:02,460 their philosophies is Jesus and not and nothing. Right. And 1865 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:08,760 they, like I said, they deal with they deal with dictators. 1866 02:08:09,930 --> 02:08:15,150 They don't care that they're in with dealing with people is that 1867 02:08:15,150 --> 02:08:19,020 they do the will of Jesus. Not not the Bible, not that and 1868 02:08:19,020 --> 02:08:21,690 we're gonna get to their philosophy more. But let's 1869 02:08:21,690 --> 02:08:23,850 listen to the family too. And often 1870 02:08:23,850 --> 02:08:26,310 men, especially who are confronted with themselves, they 1871 02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:31,680 don't like what they see. And they don't like it being put in 1872 02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:36,690 their face and spoken to what it actually is. And it's ugly 1873 02:08:36,810 --> 02:08:43,620 database. But my point is, is the shame keeps us locked in our 1874 02:08:43,620 --> 02:08:47,280 circumstances. And then if we don't deal with shame, right, we 1875 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,490 start playing me we play my wise we blame white bulk. We blame 1876 02:08:50,490 --> 02:08:54,210 black folk, we blame the economy. We blame doctrine, 1877 02:08:54,330 --> 02:08:58,950 everybody. There ain't nothing scarier in this country than a 1878 02:08:58,950 --> 02:09:05,400 free black man speaking because we've been through some shit 1879 02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:05,730 here. 1880 02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:13,440 Wow, it's all there. Is Kanye his words? Almost. Yes. So 1881 02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:20,670 I want to create albums he had a song called wolves. Now the 1882 02:09:20,670 --> 02:09:24,930 family has this philosophy about the wolf king. And I don't 1883 02:09:24,930 --> 02:09:29,130 believe that Jesus was sent here for the sheep. But for the 1884 02:09:29,130 --> 02:09:31,200 wolves, Wolf King 1885 02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:36,360 understand understanding how we are proceeding by Doug Coe. We 1886 02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:39,480 should not draw conclusions about what is right or wrong 1887 02:09:39,570 --> 02:09:42,510 before we have all the factors in and are discussing them 1888 02:09:42,510 --> 02:09:49,470 together. We are at a crossroads the right man at the right place 1889 02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,560 at the right time to change history. 1890 02:09:59,220 --> 02:10:02,010 When I was summoned member of the family, always we were 1891 02:10:02,010 --> 02:10:06,720 talking about strength. Jesus says you must go to those who 1892 02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:13,110 are in positions of power. And I remember one of the senior 1893 02:10:13,110 --> 02:10:16,290 brothers talking to me about the metaphor of the sheep and the 1894 02:10:16,290 --> 02:10:16,800 wolf. 1895 02:10:22,530 --> 02:10:25,890 You think Christ came for the sheep, right? Yes, yes, of 1896 02:10:25,890 --> 02:10:29,340 course. He said, You know, it's good to love the sheep, but 1897 02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:34,200 who's gonna love the wolf? And you know what? If you can get 1898 02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:37,770 the wolf alongside you won't forget everyone else in mind 1899 02:10:37,770 --> 02:10:46,080 pretty quick. So, what about the sheep? We must go out, reach the 1900 02:10:46,080 --> 02:10:50,610 wolf King. How do you get the wolf King, you show him that you 1901 02:10:50,610 --> 02:10:51,630 have a great power. 1902 02:10:53,820 --> 02:10:55,560 I love this theory. 1903 02:10:58,110 --> 02:11:02,160 He has hit me like a lightning bolt. I was like, when you watch 1904 02:11:02,160 --> 02:11:07,470 it, and know what I know, about this whole transformation. I'm 1905 02:11:07,470 --> 02:11:17,010 like, he could be aligning himself with the with the, like 1906 02:11:17,010 --> 02:11:23,370 you said, the Christian Illuminati. And to do that. This 1907 02:11:23,370 --> 02:11:25,740 is where this new identity comes from. 1908 02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,360 As I was listening to that, you know the bit about, you know, 1909 02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:33,390 the right man will come along. I think they might have did the 1910 02:11:33,390 --> 02:11:35,130 use of the word tool in there. That might have been my 1911 02:11:35,130 --> 02:11:41,040 imagination. Just last night, I was watching the PBS Frontline 1912 02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,790 interview with Steve Bannon. And I've, I've seen Steve Bannon 1913 02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:48,720 interviews, this one was so good, because he talked about 1914 02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:55,290 how he Bannon and Jeff Sessions had years ago, set up a whole 1915 02:11:55,290 --> 02:12:01,650 bunch of things that they wanted to change in America, or make 1916 02:12:01,650 --> 02:12:05,160 great again, literally now it's the ban. And so I don't know the 1917 02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:08,430 guy, he may be full of shit, but it sounded very plausible and 1918 02:12:08,430 --> 02:12:13,320 believable. And that, and that they before Trump came on the 1919 02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:17,910 scene, they had been trying this things didn't work. And Jeff 1920 02:12:17,910 --> 02:12:23,130 Sessions said, the right man will come along. And he will be 1921 02:12:23,130 --> 02:12:27,030 the tool of change. And abandoned says and that man was 1922 02:12:27,030 --> 02:12:31,470 Trump an imperfect tool. Here what I'm saying now, because 1923 02:12:31,470 --> 02:12:35,370 this is just what Kanye is an imperfect tool, but the tool 1924 02:12:35,370 --> 02:12:43,950 nonetheless. And you know, the Christians or the religious, I 1925 02:12:43,950 --> 02:12:50,310 won't say right there, the religious period. Why wouldn't 1926 02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:54,630 they be? It's a great, it's a, I think it's what everybody wants. 1927 02:12:54,690 --> 02:12:57,390 If you have a group and you believe in something strong 1928 02:12:57,390 --> 02:12:59,730 enough, and then you're waiting for the guy, and then you can 1929 02:12:59,730 --> 02:13:02,940 call them Jesus, the Messiah or the wolf to go after the wolves. 1930 02:13:03,210 --> 02:13:08,760 But he's the imperfect tool. And I love this theory. And then you 1931 02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:14,040 cannot, you cannot deny Kanye is quoting from this series 1932 02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:17,010 somehow, or it's just a big coincidence 1933 02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:21,420 is that and I'll give you one other big coincidence knew he 1934 02:13:21,420 --> 02:13:25,590 was saying we could we could probably wrap up after his visit 1935 02:13:25,590 --> 02:13:32,340 to the White House. Chi a pops up in Uganda. Oh, my goodness, 1936 02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:36,780 the fellowship and Uganda have a very tight relationship. There 1937 02:13:36,780 --> 02:13:40,560 were ones that were helping push that anti gay bill and Uganda. 1938 02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:46,800 Yes, he pops up and he meets with the president of Uganda. 1939 02:13:47,220 --> 02:13:50,490 And I couldn't clip it because it wasn't it was the saw the 1940 02:13:50,490 --> 02:13:56,400 clip on I'm on YouTube. But the family, they have this little 1941 02:13:56,400 --> 02:14:01,470 Bible. It's a subset of the books of the Holy Bible, which 1942 02:14:01,470 --> 02:14:07,380 only the Gospels, the four books of the gospel. And then if it 1943 02:14:07,380 --> 02:14:10,140 didn't look like Kanye had it in his hand when he was meeting the 1944 02:14:10,140 --> 02:14:10,770 President. 1945 02:14:12,660 --> 02:14:16,200 Well, I'm I'm a bit concerned about the Uganda connection 1946 02:14:16,200 --> 02:14:20,730 because Uganda is run by the CIA has been run by the CIA for the 1947 02:14:20,730 --> 02:14:25,140 past 50 years. So I'm very concerned about that. And you 1948 02:14:25,140 --> 02:14:25,800 know, but 1949 02:14:27,330 --> 02:14:30,630 who the hell knows and our 1950 02:14:31,260 --> 02:14:33,150 goal you know, no, no, go ahead, please finish. 1951 02:14:33,420 --> 02:14:39,000 And I will rat with me from my side with this. Kanye is a very 1952 02:14:39,030 --> 02:14:44,250 easy win for president. That sounds crazy, but I've said this 1953 02:14:44,250 --> 02:14:51,180 before, and I was called crazy. Now we've said the left right, 1954 02:14:51,180 --> 02:14:58,380 you know, the Democrats rely on heavy black vote right? If they 1955 02:14:58,380 --> 02:15:01,440 can get that number down, if kind get that number down 1956 02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:07,470 enough. It's about the negative vote here. He already told you 1957 02:15:07,470 --> 02:15:10,830 in these clips before Middle America is with Kanye. 1958 02:15:13,559 --> 02:15:16,439 And I agree and he's only solidified, I listened to the 1959 02:15:16,439 --> 02:15:21,839 album. And by the way, in that interview, we didn't play it. 1960 02:15:21,839 --> 02:15:25,199 But he says, you know, I'm like, Michael Jackson. He's got all 1961 02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:28,229 these different things on the mind majority Michael Jordan, 1962 02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:32,909 right. I'm hearing Stevie Wonder in this record. I'm what we 1963 02:15:32,909 --> 02:15:35,639 would call the musical genius, Stevie Wonder there is some 1964 02:15:36,029 --> 02:15:40,799 outstanding stuff in this record. At but without a doubt 1965 02:15:40,799 --> 02:15:43,559 from beginning to end. Its spiritual. Its religious is 1966 02:15:43,559 --> 02:15:47,309 Christian from beginning to end, every lyric, every word, but the 1967 02:15:47,309 --> 02:15:51,809 choirs all the stuff and it's, it's, it's the message, it's all 1968 02:15:51,809 --> 02:15:52,259 there. 1969 02:15:53,159 --> 02:15:57,029 And who's on that wall? In a black home? 1970 02:16:00,300 --> 02:16:04,080 Let's see. We had the Blazers. We had the black baby Jesus. 1971 02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:07,650 Jesus. Okay, 1972 02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:12,780 that's right. Martin Luther King. That's it. Oh, my God, MO. 1973 02:16:13,140 --> 02:16:16,260 Thank you once to get you you have delivered better than I 1974 02:16:16,260 --> 02:16:19,260 could have imagined. I told Tina this morning. We're 1975 02:16:19,260 --> 02:16:26,880 deconstructing Kanye. I'm so excited. And perfect. And I'll 1976 02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:30,060 tell you, ma'am, I'm with you. i And you're under the right 1977 02:16:30,060 --> 02:16:32,640 circumstances with the right backing Kanye. Of course, he 1978 02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:37,290 could become president. Regardless. It'll be so good for 1979 02:16:37,290 --> 02:16:44,190 the show. He's so good for the show. And this show is rare. 1980 02:16:44,220 --> 02:16:49,770 Yeah. Kanye, please run Kanye. And this show is of course put 1981 02:16:49,770 --> 02:16:53,280 out free to listen to free to copies and around move around to 1982 02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:59,430 anybody. As a podcast, of course, support is needed. You 1983 02:16:59,430 --> 02:17:01,980 hear the work that is being done here. But more importantly, 1984 02:17:02,220 --> 02:17:05,640 what's the value that you got by listening to the past two hours 1985 02:17:05,790 --> 02:17:09,210 to us to Jumoke just shooting the shit turns out people do get 1986 02:17:09,210 --> 02:17:12,450 some value from it and all we ask is you show some of that in 1987 02:17:12,450 --> 02:17:16,890 return it's called the value for value system. And if it was, but 1988 02:17:16,890 --> 02:17:19,770 what is your time worth if your time is only worth a couple of 1989 02:17:19,770 --> 02:17:22,590 bucks an hour make good if you didn't get any value out of it, 1990 02:17:22,620 --> 02:17:26,550 please keep listening don't send anything but if you did go to mo 1991 02:17:26,550 --> 02:17:35,340 fund me.com moefundme.com mo fund me.com and support the show 1992 02:17:35,340 --> 02:17:41,220 and support the work mode Thank you. It just once again, it 1993 02:17:41,220 --> 02:17:42,990 makes me excited for the next show. 1994 02:17:44,640 --> 02:17:48,390 And as I always say pay attention to everything and the 1995 02:17:48,390 --> 02:17:49,680 truth will reveal itself. 1996 02:17:50,670 --> 02:17:55,650 That's right and we will reveal ourselves once again in one week 1997 02:17:55,650 --> 02:18:01,020 from now and you never know where the show can go facts.com 1998 02:18:01,020 --> 02:18:06,180 with Adam curry it's mo fax.com and support the work at mo fund 1999 02:18:06,180 --> 02:18:09,630 me.com Talk to you next time I'll 2000 02:18:10,710 --> 02:18:12,510 see you later bye bye everybody. 2001 02:18:13,050 --> 02:18:16,920 Listen everybody to what I'm saying we got to change the way 2002 02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:21,510 we live better get together try and figure out whether you're 2003 02:18:21,510 --> 02:18:26,130 given all you can give the whales going dry everybody's 2004 02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:31,590 getting grabbed and all that the confine you can stand that raise 2005 02:18:31,590 --> 02:18:36,780 it to the skier looks to the rainbows and come on people of 2006 02:18:36,780 --> 02:18:41,430 the show began to get down in nature and brand because time 2007 02:18:41,430 --> 02:18:42,780 keeps moving into the 2008 02:18:44,400 --> 02:19:12,480 new when we meet out in the street and you play you lose ego 2009 02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:17,190 games it breaks my heart the way it keeps us apart it's a seeing 2010 02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:21,570 the crime and I know you're hesitating does an awful lot of 2011 02:19:21,870 --> 02:19:25,920 mistrust when you tell a man and they'll sit around and wait 2012 02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:30,900 until it's too late. Take a hold of your brother's name come on 2013 02:19:31,560 --> 02:19:37,080 the show began to get down in the friend because moving into 2014 02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:39,900 day one again No no no. 2015 02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:06,030 Hello Come on people that the show began, but you're down in 2016 02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:12,000 France No, no, no