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mo facts with Adam curry from
November 12 2019. This is

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episode number 14. And it's been
too long mo

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14 days 14 show this I'm ready.

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Yeah, I gotta apologize. You
know, I had to rush off to

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Europe had an opportunity to see
my daughter who lives in

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Rotterdam. And Moe and I have
kind of one agreement amongst

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the two of us as family first.
So family first family first.

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Yeah. And then Then what
happened?

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Then Then I had family first
yesterday because my father was

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in town. All right, and
celebrating Veterans Day.

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So yes, indeed. And he's a vet.
Right?

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Yes. served in the Navy. It's so
family first again. So we're

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here.

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We're best. Let me ask you a
question before we get into the

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episode. And I'm very excited,
of course, because I know you've

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had you've had two weeks to get
something ready. And I'd see we

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have a number of clip Blitz.
Yes. Ready in the waiting. I

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want to remind everybody that
the work that you hear here,

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here here is done on the value
for value system, which means

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after you listen to a mo facts,
was it worth your time, what is

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your time worth? All you have to
do is let us know what you think

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at mo fax.com Or a direct link
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And that would be highly
appreciated. Especially because

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there's a lot of work that goes
into this Mo and I'm gonna lay

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that down at your feet. You've
got another I presume fantastic

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topic and episode lined up. And
then I see clips from CBS to Fox

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to God knows where from this has
got to be a doozy. What are we

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doing?

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Alright, so as, as we talked
about, sometimes you know what

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the top is going to be and
sometimes it is a surprise. So I

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would like to unwrap this show
topic with the ISO

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device zation mentality.

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Top of the list victimization
mentality. Nice.

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So this is a bleed over from the
last episode we had, we're

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talking about Mr. Kanye West.
And that was one of the sound

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bites we got from him. And I
have to be honest with you,

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after last show a lot of things
stuck with me. brought up some

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great topics. One being the term
black and we met we coined a

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term called Black guilt. Yes.

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First time you've ever heard it
said in public between a mixed

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company.

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I'm thinking it might be the
first time we're saying Ever.

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Ever. Yeah, you heard it here
first

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that did you get it? Did you get
any feedback on that

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specifically?

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Actually, I did not. Entirely
not. So I think it is a real

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phenomenon. And, um, and it was
something else you brought up

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too. That stuck with me? The
apologetic, subconscious

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apologetic thing that I did

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write which which led into you
saying that this was a version

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of Black guilt? Yes, exactly.
Yes. And by the way, the

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responses I got from people was,
Oh, my God, that's so

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interesting. That both as kids,
although it wasn't we weren't in

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the same situation. But as kids,
we both kind of were conditioned

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by our, by our, our own
families, and culture and

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background, to be very
uncomfortable with each other,

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which wasn't really necessary
when you think about

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it. It wasn't, but it's the
unknown. Of course, of course,

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we you live when you live with
expectations. And I think that's

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what the I don't think that's
what this show is gonna really

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go into is understanding how
that victim and victimization

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mentality is formed, and how
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across the spectrum of both
groups of people. So, we got,

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like you said, we have a bunch
of clips here. So from the last

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show, I had a clip slip. And I
want to show an example of how

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victimization mentality
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Jack Dorsey Steve Jobs, but deed
is off forget about us.

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So that is Big Boy talking to
Kanye, right? And Kanye was

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rattling off the people that
he's come in contact with. And

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big boy says Don't

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forget about us. That was kind
of interesting. Yes.

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It was such a short clip. Let's
just I didn't set that up. Well,

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can we run that back one more
time so we can just hear the

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pain and anguish in his voice
when he said that

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Jack Dorsey Nice Steve Jobs. But
deed is don't forget about us.

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you know, wow, in context is
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all the big boys, they're not
part of your family or something

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like that, I guess.

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Yes, I don't. You're moving on,

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by the way, major, major
shareholder of Apple, of course,

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is Dre with his beats, beats
acquisition. So it's not like

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it's just some old white gay
dude

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at the top. It's the thought
process that they're worried

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about.

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Right on.

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And that's why I want to talk
about when when that whether

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apology comes from that apology
comes from not out of I feel

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sorry that I'm offending you is,
I feel sorry that I'm free, and

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you're not. Oof. That's really
that thought about this for 14

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days, Eric, because when you
said, and that's why I love this

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show. I love doing it. Because
we get into places where no man

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has gone before.

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Yes. Especially in my mind,
because I was like, I do do

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that. I do apologize. But like I
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sorry. It's not out a sense of
pilot up is empathy and

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sympathy, because it's like,
wow, you can't mentally get

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free, right off of the quote,
unquote. And I'm not going to

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make it political, but thought
plantation, I will refuse to be

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a victim anymore. But I can't
bring you with me.

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So this is what Kanye means when
he's talking about free man free

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man talking.

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Yes, gotcha. And so let's get
into the show topic. Explain

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what a great drug dealer does,
is they make the people who buy

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the paraphernalia from them feel
like their friends or their

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buddies. It's not just a
business transaction, I also

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care about you, we see that same
dynamic between the so called

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black man and woman and the
super liberal Caucasian here in

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Western society, especially here
in America, what what the super

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liberal Caucasian will tend to
do is to try to make the so

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called black male and female,
but especially the so called

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black male, believe that he
should always resort to his

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emotions, when it comes to
evaluating what is going on in

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society around him. Because what
the super liberal Caucasian

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knows is that by doing that, he
will always ensure that the so

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called black man remains a
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his and that is what the quote
unquote drug dealer does with

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those who buy the product from
him or her. They always want to

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make you feel like you need what
they have to offer you. You

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cannot replace that sensation or
that high anywhere else,

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especially in some way shape or
form that's actually going to be

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lifting you up and constructing
you and building you up, rather

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than tearing you down
incrementally.

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Wow, that's a great analogy. Who
said this? Who was that

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speaking?

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This is chronicles a JR. He's a
popular YouTuber. And I think he

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meant he has some very great
takes. And I think he explained

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it with this analogy between the
unfree black and I don't wanna

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say slave because it's
completely different. It's, it's

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unfree. You untethered. No, it's
I can't steal away. Yeah. Yeah.

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No, it's

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actually they're still tethered.
You're tethered? Yeah.

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Yeah. So yeah, they can't pull
themselves away from the dynamic

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that's been created for them.
And that's like, you're a

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victim. You're a victim. You're
a victim. Yeah, I mean, the only

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way you will be heard is to be a
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I just wanted to my own
reflection on the on the Kanye

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it's it's kind of sad that the
way things are going today,

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neither of us are really allowed
to have our own culture, and to

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have our own background and to
have our own things. You know,

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that that it's like, Yeah,
everybody's equal. But no, we're

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different. We're distinctly
different in a whole bunch of

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things, but doesn't mean that
we're not equal, but that

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somehow that's gotten
convoluted. And it's like, well,

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you have to have to all think
the same and be the same and one

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of the most as I'm older now,
one of the most enjoyable things

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is the differences and and the
oddities that's what I that's

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what I love about this show.
It's like I'm learning all kinds

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of stuff about my friend Moe,
who has is an American has a

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different background. Hey,
Lottie Oh, you could, you could

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be from the Midwest and you'd
have a different regardless of

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skin color. So that was that was
kind of my reflection on all of

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this is it seems like society is
not willing to just say hey, you

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know what? black people, white
people read people, yellow

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people, brown people, they're
they're all different. But we

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have some common things that
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Where your culture is replaced.
It's not like you're not it is

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void. We do have a culture here
in America. And it's not the

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American culture, but it's a
culture of consumerism. Yes. Oh,

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wow. We replace Yes, you're
right, that we replaced. Because

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the reason why I noticed this is
well work is that it's a high

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tech company. And we bring a lot
of people in from outside of

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America. Yep. Probably. India,
China. Sure, yes. So when they

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first get there, they bring
their culture. And now we're

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starting to hire more second
gen. American slash wherever

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they're from. So they were born
Indian American. And there's a

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total this. There's this
distinction there. Between the

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new hires that come straight
from whatever country and the

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ones that are second gen from
here and America. Sure. The

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second gen hold no, by Okay, um,
we had a cultural festival. And

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the ones that came here directly
from their home country dressed

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up in their traditional attire.
Second jeans, no, no, not at

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all. Right. So I don't think
there's a distinct it's not

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distinct, just a black or white
Americans. I think you have to

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give up whatever culture you had
to take part in the corporate

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culture that we have here in
America. Okay. So with that

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said, there were some going ons.

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Yes. Wow. We are while we were
while we were away, some

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sabbatical went down.

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So I'm Brock Obama. He was at
his Obama con or Obama

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Foundation foundation Summit.
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just call it like Obama calm it
has a nice connotation. Very

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All right. So um, and he had a
clip where he called out the

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woke culture,

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you know, this, this idea of
purity and you're never

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compromised, and you're always
politically broke and all that

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stuff as they you should get
over that quickly. The world The

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world is messy. There are
ambiguities. People who do

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really good stuff, have flaws.
People who you are fighting may

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love their kids. Me. And, you
know, share certain things with

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you. And I think that one danger
I see among young people,

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particularly on college
campuses, Malia and I talk about

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this Yeah, it goes to school
with my daughter. But I do get a

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sense sometimes now among
certain young people and this is

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accelerated by social media.
There is this sense sometimes of

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the way of me making change is
to be as judgmental as possible

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about other people. And that's
enough like if I tweet or

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hashtag about how you didn't do
something right or use the word

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wrong verb or then I can sit
back and feel pretty good about

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myself because man you see how
woke I was I called you out

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and I had a had an initial
response to this which you

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probably heard on a no agenda
but the more I hear it, the more

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questions I have about it. But
for me initially, it was like

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Oh, all right, good on you.
Brock called I mean, there's

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some weird stuff in there like
using a verb or I was pretty

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sure he meant pronoun but maybe
I was wrong. But in general to

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say hey man, you use coming out
of college you in college, do

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this column people out and then
you know thinking that you've

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done your job. I kinda like that

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I call bullshit All right,
Glenn. The reason why I say that

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is one he wanted to say pronoun,
but he know he would have got

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canceled by certain
demographics. Yeah, so he's

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bright, his brain did a quick

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and used another word, right?

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Instead of it started another
word. And you know what? The,

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the people that will be that
would possibly cancel him. I did

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a quick search on the social
media, you know, across social

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media platforms, and they picked
up on it. We know what you

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wanted to say. Okay. Good. Oh,
wrong. Wrong verb I mean, what I

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mean, what is that? I mean, who
calls out the mean, but I won't

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go there, but okay,

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well, yeah, that's what I
thought too is that he was like,

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whatever. Yeah.

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But the reason why the main
reason I call bullshit is they

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created the woke monster. Yeah,
him. Yes. And he made whole, the

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whole council culture was bred
out of the self righteousness

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that we've talked about on
previous shows. They're very

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idealistic. And now what happens
is these mosques, these little

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monsters just you create it that
you raised. And you think

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they're the kids that were 10
years old when Barack Obama took

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office? Well, what this 10 plus
eight plus three or 11. So you

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got kids what is ready to vote?
Yeah. Yeah, 678 years old, I

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made my math correct. I'm just
doing it to top my head, but you

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created these little monsters,
and now you're trying to corral

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them back into vote. That's what
this is all about. I know, I

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know, Biden might not be you
know, the hippest guy and all

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the terminology. But we look
past that. We need you to go

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vote. That's what this is all
about.

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Well, yes. And I agree. I think
it was it. In retrospect, it

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does sound like it was he was
talking more about Joe Biden

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than anything.

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And that's why I told you picked
up on and like I said, my BS

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meter is is

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tagged, it's pegged.

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But that wasn't the biggest
takeaway from Obama con. Oh, for

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people that's not familiar, we
have to remind them who the new

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Holy Trinity is. In black
America. I want to start by just

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talk giving you a little
perspective of my my household

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in the 70s. If you were like me,
growing up in the 70s, there are

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portraits of MLK, JFK, and Jesus
hung on on a lot of folks walls.

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That was the Trinity. Today, the
trinity of Oprah, Beyonce, and

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Michelle Obama could almost
replace them.

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I you know, I could have done
that from memory. But I'm glad

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you did it on a clip. It's more
powerful. But I've been trained

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now I know. I know, the old and
the new Holy Trinity. I know I'm

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not I know I'm in.

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So one of the new Holy Trinity
spoke to miss Michelle Obama.

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And let's just hear what she had
to say. And Obama con.

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Our family wasn't unique. And
that's it as we talk about

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Chicago, and the south side. You
know, Mom always says she's the

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one that will keep our little
heads down. It will keep us

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humble. She's like their million
Craig and Michelle and Brock's

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out there. It's just that our
stories don't get told. We get

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caricatures because of the color
of our skin because of fear,

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because of a whole lot of stuff.
Because we don't know each

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other. We think that this this
family this this beautiful

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portrait was the portrait of
everybody in our neighborhood.

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And of all of our family
members. This This was not

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unique. You know, everyone we
knew, got up every day and did

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what they were supposed to. They
held down jobs, they kept their

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lawns mowed. They strive to give
their kids good values and

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access to better things, which
is one of the reasons we moved

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from Martin Luther King Drive to
74th in Euclid because my mom

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wanted us to have access to then
what were better schools. But

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unbeknownst to us, we grew up in
the period as I write of called

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white flight. Okay,

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white flight white flight. Yes.

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Are you familiar with that term?

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You know, I have heard this I
could not define it for you.

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Okay, white

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flight. Just in very simple
terms. That's when black family

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start to move into the white
community. And then the white

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people start moving out. Oh,
okay.

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For as light or as we say, in
Archie Bunker land. There goes

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the neighborhood.

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So yeah, so when I heard this,
I'm like, why are you talking

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about white flight? white flight
hasn't happened. And God 3040

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years. I mean, we're talking
about the 60s here when when

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white flight really happened.

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Just before Archie Bunker came
on TV exactly that.

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So what we have to do is unpack
what she really said one, she

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said she left MLK Boulevard, I
guess Yeah. And move into

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another neighborhood to access
better schools.

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Mm. Who are you leaving? Where
are you? Why is she doing black?

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Black flight?

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Well, yes, of course, that's
black flight that's moving on

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you. Right? And so I'm just
saying, I mean, when we hear

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these terms, um, and then also
on the clip, she says, Well, all

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the families were like, without
lived around, what are they

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saying were the same. Um, but
then, as they always do, the

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more you let them talk, she's
gonna talk about the picture

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that they took, and who took the
picture? And just see if you can

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catch the discrepancy in this
next clip, then previous what

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she said in a previous clip.

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Where was that? What was going
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How did that picture come to be?
What do you remember about it?

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Well, it was. That's in our
backyard. On 74th in Euclid. And

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these are some of my favorite
pictures, because it's the first

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time I remember us having what
was a formal photography

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session. But it was really the
daughter of our Uncle Terry,

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Robbie and Terry didn't have
children. He had a previous

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marriage that he had a daughter
that was in school. And I think

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she had a photography project
where she had to photograph a

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family. And I think she picked
us because we were the only the

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sort of full family she knew
with mom, dad, two kids.

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Oh, so much for every family
being like us. She was the only

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family with a full family and
two kids and the yard was nice.

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It's really very different from
what she said.

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Absolutely. And this isn't the
same, this the same talk? Yeah,

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sure. In the same flow of the
same interview, or sit down,

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whatever you want to call it
with her. Who was there was her

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her brother and the interviewer?

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Well, we'll say just referring
briefly back to the previous

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clip, she says, we get
character, character tchard.

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Yep. Because people don't know,
basically through ignorance. And

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I would say there's some, I
think that's fair to say. I

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wasn't against what she was
saying there. But then this

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whole rap is bullcrap. She's
just contradicting herself. And

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that's

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what they do. The more you
listen to him, the more they go

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back and forth. And I want you
to bookmark that caricature

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thing, because that's gonna be a
common thing. And as we go on

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for it to have, how is that
caricature created? Who shapes

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that? Because if you don't like
you say, You didn't know I mean,

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before you taught began to talk
to me every day, you didn't know

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the inner workings of, of, of
the black know, quote, unquote,

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black community now. So all you
had was what the mainstream

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media presented to you?

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A little bit from college, you
know, Mike,

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was saying, but the inner
workings? Oh, yeah,

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totally, totally. So from the
Jeffersons the Cosby's Oh, yeah,

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I admit that freely. Absolutely.

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And that's, that's how we
learned because if you don't

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have the personal associations,
but she goes on to talk more

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about white flight, that is

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families like ours, upstanding
families like ours, you know,

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who were doing everything we
were supposed to do, and better.

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As we moved in, white folks
moved out, because they were

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afraid of what our families
represented. And I always stop

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there when I talk about this
out, out in the world, because,

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you know, I want to remind white
folks that y'all were running

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running from us, you know,
because of this family, this

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family, this family, with all
the values that you read about,

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Yeah, you were running from us,
and you still run because we're

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no different than the immigrant
families that are moving in the

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families in Pilsen the the
families that are coming from

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other places to try to do
better. But because we can so

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easily wash over who we really
were because of the color of our

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skin. Now because of the the
texture of our hair. You know,

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that's what divides country's
artificially as artificial

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things that don't even touch on
the values that people bring to

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life. And so yeah, I felt I feel
a sense of injustice. And you

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know, this when you're young,
you know, people are running

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from you, you know, and you can
see it, you can see it all of a

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sudden we because we grew up
with friends of all races when

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we first moved in, Rachel
Dempsey and Susan yakker and I,

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you know, you had friends of all
races we played together. There

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were no gang fights. There were
no territorial battles, but yet,

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one by one, they pack their bags
and they ran from us, and they

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left communities in shambles.

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Wow. It's quite the accusation
there. What happened if ever

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When I was hanging out and
having a good time, then all of

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a sudden they start moving out.
This is confusing to me.

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We're gonna get there, well,
we're gonna get there. But let's

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just unpack the logic of what
she's saying. So she lived in

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one community and had to be all
black. I mean, we had to make

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that before she moved into the
white community. So it was okay

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for her and her parents to leave
one community behind because of

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that element that was in that
community to move to another

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community, right. And they you
say, well, we moved here as good

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upstanding black folks, you
know, salted the earth black

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folks wish they wish they are.
I'm not understand poopoo on

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that. But then the white people
just suddenly move because they

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saw you come in. Okay, so they
left. who replaced them? Well

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had to be black P

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logically, yeah, logically would
have to be black people. Yes.

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So now you're uncomfortable with
being around your own kind of

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game that you tried to run away
from? Who really has I mean,

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when you say we we need to use
some logic here. I think she's

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you ran from your own people,
which I mean, I can say we if

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you live in a poor neighborhood,
I'm gonna stop,

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stop, stop, because you just
said the key word. Because the

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Obamas now live in a
predominantly white neighborhood

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in Washington, DC, and no one's
running away from them. This is

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this is the difference between
poor and rich. You know, it's a

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class. It's an income. It's a
it's a wealth issue. I don't

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think it's much of a race issue.
It certainly doesn't seem that

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way when people are all fat and
happy.

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Well, what she's saying is about
in the 1960s and 70s, when she

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was a child, yeah, this is this
era. That's why I say she's

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going back with I don't
understand why she's going back

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that far. But we do because
exactly what her husband was

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talking about. This, you know,
this call virtue signaling. Oh,

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you know, she goes and feeds the
animals. She feeds it red meat.

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Yeah. Like, oh, I remember white
flight and when they rent from

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us, no, but okay, what do you
want to hold people by the same

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standard? You did the same
thing? Yeah.

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Because they filled up with
black people. Apparently, it was

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time to leave.

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Right. And then soon as the
vacant spots that will lead

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white people left behind federal
black people. The neighborhood

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became bad again, Bob, I hurt my
heart definition. Yeah. You just

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gotta listen to her. So as I
always do, you gotta go back.

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Here we go. We had to get
context to white flight in

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Chicago in 1969.

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The Cabrini Green Project is
what public housing has come to

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symbolize in Chicago for more
than a quarter of a century. But

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in an effort to disperse the
city's poor who are mostly

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black, the new public housing
proposals call for construction

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of duplexes, two storey
townhouses, three story

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apartment buildings, all of
these scattered in the

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predominantly white areas of
Chicago. This lot on Kaminski

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Avenue was one of 275 sites
identified under federal court

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order by the Chicago Housing
Authority for low income

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families would have a duplex on
a street of single family homes,

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and the homeowners are obviously
upset.

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All I got to see is all the do
gooders. All the people are

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always telling us what to do.
They don't practice what they

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preach on it, they go over there
and put them by their

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neighborhoods, they won't do it.
They're always telling us what

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to do. Or we have a few rights
of around.

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Value of everybody's property.
What do you think? Why do you

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see those other projects that he
didn't take care of? We're gonna

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go tell me, you have the stage,
you're gonna go there, they're

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gonna go there to their minds
will get used to live with them.

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What else can you say?

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Wow, I'm having like a time
warp. I'm hearing this same

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report today. This exact same
report can be played today, if

443
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
you didn't make you love that
guy out of it. But it's this

444
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,840
same report.

445
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,990
And this is the problem I have
with forced integration. If you

446
00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:22,410
want to fix the problem, let me
I know that triggered a lot of

447
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:25,260
people when I said that, but
instead of the fixed in the

448
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:30,180
communities that the black
people were in, or spread out,

449
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:33,090
you know, spread them out
amongst into white communities.

450
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:36,120
How would that how does that
work? I don't understand how

451
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,530
that solves the problem. If the
schools are bad and black, quote

452
00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:43,650
unquote, black communities, why
don't you put the resources

453
00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:48,480
there to fix the schools? Why
would you why would you want to

454
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,970
nail this is how they were
blessing. And the reason why I

455
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:55,710
say that is I have a personal
perspective of this because my

456
00:29:55,710 --> 00:30:00,210
father, he went to all black all
black schools up until his

457
00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:05,850
senior year. And they may force
him and his classmates to

458
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,410
integrate. Right? He hated it.
Now,

459
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,890
yeah, that's kind of universally
accepted that there was not a

460
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:15,690
great idea what was going on.

461
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,570
But that's not the M. V vision
that when we always talk about

462
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:26,640
what fact is and what they what
they paint as the story, the

463
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,180
story is all black kids are
dying to go to white schools,

464
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:34,770
you know, um, and that just
wasn't the case. Be like, why he

465
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:39,030
would just say, it's the life.
We want to have more resources.

466
00:30:39,030 --> 00:30:41,790
Now schools might like my dad
would say, we just want better

467
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:43,230
textbooks. And yeah, not

468
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,710
being shipped off into some
other hood absolutely makes no

469
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:47,310
sense.

470
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:50,670
And that's what they did with
this case in Chicago. Let

471
00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:55,380
me let me just say this, this is
early white guilt. And I

472
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:58,860
recognize this not that I have
it, but I recognize this this I

473
00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:03,600
recognize is, well, we should we
should be sharing what are our

474
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,720
wealth with the poor black
people? We should, we should

475
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,960
bring them here given them equal
opportunity. It's completely

476
00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:13,500
corrupt. I mean, it's, we said
we'd say crooked thinking in the

477
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,230
Netherlands, it's bad
translation. But it's, it's

478
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:21,240
it's, it just makes it's dumb.
It's dumb. I can one, go ahead.

479
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:24,870
Here's the logic, I think. And
like I said, I'm not a white

480
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:29,340
person. So I think that white
people didn't have that thought

481
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:34,890
of, if we they're too
concentrated. If we can dilute

482
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:42,660
them out, you know that then
they'll assimilate better. I

483
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:46,470
think that's the real that's a
very unpopular thought. No, no,

484
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:52,260
no. No, we can, you know, we can
spread them out. You know, we

485
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:53,160
can influence them.

486
00:31:53,189 --> 00:31:56,969
Will there be a good influence
on them? You watch, right? They

487
00:31:56,969 --> 00:32:00,899
can change it can get better. He
can still awesome. civilize

488
00:32:00,899 --> 00:32:04,439
them. Yes. They're just feral
over there. Let's bring them Oh,

489
00:32:04,439 --> 00:32:08,789
my God. Mo. That's, that's
horrible. Now that exposed me to

490
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:11,369
this fallacy as nasty.

491
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:16,740
And that's their real racism.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Victimization

492
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:17,610
mentality.

493
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:18,480
Totally.

494
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:24,540
Is not that we give them chalk
and blackboards and take the

495
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:27,690
lead plank pain out of your
schools and, you know,

496
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:31,500
getting Hey, I ate some lead
paint to as a kid. Yeah.

497
00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:36,660
Proper resources, then they
can't thrive. No, no, no, no,

498
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:36,870
no,

499
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:40,110
let's we'll have none of that.
No. Oh, wow. Yeah, this is this

500
00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:41,070
is very racist.

501
00:32:42,030 --> 00:32:45,300
It's been a while you system and
that's what systemic

502
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,960
racism and it's to this day,
they're still doing this shit in

503
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,380
Austin. And it's yeah, sometimes
it's black people. Sometimes

504
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:54,960
it's homeless people. It's still
the same. It's the same

505
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,620
thinking.

506
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,000
Yes, yes, yes, exactly. And we
can, like I said, civilize them.

507
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,860
We know we got there to
concentrate. But when you have

508
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:12,300
people run away, that's the part
I don't understand you. And

509
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:17,280
we'll get there. But let's just
get to, um, what the tenements

510
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,790
were like at the time, in
Chicago.

511
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,380
Most of the adults who live in
the tenement on South Ellis

512
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:29,490
Avenue were born in rural areas
of the South, they came to

513
00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:33,510
Chicago looking for a better way
of life. They came to the south

514
00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:36,300
side of the city, because they
found that this was a place

515
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,020
where negros were permitted to
live. They came here without

516
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:43,950
much education or sophistication
in the ways of the city. They

517
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,880
came here poor, about all that
they brought with them, where

518
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,630
their hopes and their dreams,
Bill staples, and his wife

519
00:33:51,630 --> 00:33:53,190
Gloria came from Alabama.

520
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:59,400
Gotta dream you know, everybody
have a dream, and you dream of

521
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:06,810
going in a place to make good to
make it better for my family,

522
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:10,590
and better education for my
kids. These are the prime

523
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:11,550
reasons I came up.

524
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:15,750
Now is this is this true? This
is the tenements where all the

525
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:19,080
work, quote unquote, poor black
people from the South.

526
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:25,620
Yes. So what you had was you had
three, um, three mass movements

527
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:30,540
of black people over maybe a 40
year period. From the south to

528
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:34,740
the north, I think beginning in
1914. I want to I want to say

529
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,930
because I did a video on this a
long time ago, so I'm worn out

530
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:40,380
memory here, but it was called
the great migration. So what

531
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:44,940
happened was the change in
agriculture in the south and

532
00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:49,980
then also the rise and racial
tensions that were inflamed,

533
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,620
drove a lot of people black
people out of the south and into

534
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:59,970
the north cities like Detroit,
Chicago, um,

535
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,380
I mean, wasn't it the North that
really freed everybody and we

536
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,330
have compassion for you slaves?

537
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,130
Yes, that's that was that's the
myth. And like I said, I did a

538
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:15,540
video on this. And the north.
And this is just a sidebar.

539
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,440
Everybody knows the story about
Emmett Till, right? I mean, he

540
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,460
was killed and cotton fan was
put around his neck. He was

541
00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:26,460
thrown into the river for
Western and a white woman,

542
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:29,880
right? Yeah. Everybody knows
that narrative. That's the

543
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,080
South. We're in the north.
Nobody talks about, like black

544
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:39,120
kid that was stoned to death on
a segregated beach in Chicago.

545
00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:44,220
He actually floated all his
wrath from the colored section

546
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:49,530
to the white section. And white
people threw stones at him in

547
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:52,800
the water, and he drowned. But
that's just go to show you.

548
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,950
That's not. Let's keep that
under a nice little box. Yes,

549
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:59,250
you're better than that. Yeah.

550
00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:02,790
All right. So I'm just going to
show you that. But yes, we had a

551
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:05,970
lot of people moving for the
South. And they didn't find the

552
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:08,400
opportunities that they were
looking for. Because what

553
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,850
happened is that they will move
to the slums. You were separated

554
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:17,370
from your family with a total
different change in culture,

555
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:20,130
because you have people from the
South, they have a background

556
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:24,000
and strong family structure and
units. And you're segregated and

557
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,740
you're isolated in these
tenements. So this just gives

558
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:32,610
you a perspective of what was
going on at Chicago at the time

559
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:32,760
and

560
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,400
add a little no man in the house
to it, and you got a beautiful

561
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,120
situation.

562
00:36:36,899 --> 00:36:39,449
Well, that was the thing about
everything in this story of the

563
00:36:39,449 --> 00:36:44,249
tenements. This is a CBS News
special for 1967. It was on like

564
00:36:44,249 --> 00:36:48,629
two black fathers out at seven
families in that ah, and it was

565
00:36:48,629 --> 00:36:54,569
really like a rundown. Multiplex
is what you want to call it. We

566
00:36:54,569 --> 00:36:56,669
I was like only two of the
families and this was one of the

567
00:36:56,669 --> 00:37:00,359
fathers. And you know, and these
guys, they weren't hard. I mean,

568
00:37:00,359 --> 00:37:01,889
they didn't have a lot of
education, but they weren't

569
00:37:01,889 --> 00:37:04,649
hard. And they moved their
families. Oh, I wish I'm not

570
00:37:04,649 --> 00:37:09,749
saying that. But we always the
people that should be fighting

571
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:19,019
for us run. And they try to
force their way into white

572
00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:23,819
society or the liberal mindset
that tries to force them into

573
00:37:23,819 --> 00:37:29,609
white society. There you go. So
at the Obama Foundation, Obama

574
00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:35,609
con, they also had another
guest, Miss Ava DuVernay. And

575
00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:40,049
she had a very interesting take
on media,

576
00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:44,370
film lover. And for me, it
really goes beyond the idea of

577
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:48,810
cinema, it goes into the idea of
the image. You know, there's a

578
00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:53,250
reason why we use the term your
mind's eye, you know, we think

579
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,750
and remember in images in
pictures, right. And so film is

580
00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:01,950
just an artificial rendering of
what's actually inside here. You

581
00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:03,870
know, I mean, it's a little
different than music, it's a

582
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,860
little different than, you know,
then then even sculpture, you're

583
00:38:07,890 --> 00:38:12,690
we're recreating life in cinema.
we're recreating stories that

584
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:15,840
you remember things that you're
tapping into things that really

585
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,340
seep into your DNA and become a
part of you. And so, you know,

586
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,280
the power of images has been
used to distort and

587
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,540
malnourished, but it also can be
used to, to nourish and to grow

588
00:38:27,540 --> 00:38:30,450
us. And so that's what I'm
looking for whenever I start a

589
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:31,020
project.

590
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:36,240
Well, okay, hard to argue that,
that takes place, but I would

591
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,840
add some propaganda and other
things into it. When it comes to

592
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,050
well.

593
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:44,760
Yeah, that's what is used for
propaganda, and actually say, is

594
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,420
used to

595
00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:50,760
recreate, recreate, like,

596
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:56,250
she said, corrupt? She said, Oh,
yes, you nourished it. But you

597
00:38:56,250 --> 00:39:02,550
know, and this is the caricature
that that was spoke of. A lot of

598
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:06,870
the images that we see of quote
unquote, black people are

599
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:14,220
negative, but who signs up to
play those roles? Nice. I mean,

600
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:17,370
and we would just stop saying,
I'm not going to play a robber

601
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:21,960
in law and order law and order a
murder or, you know, um, those

602
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,320
kinds of roles, stereotypical
roles. Yeah, the stereotypical

603
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:30,810
roles but we it's people this
always willing to take that. So

604
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:35,550
the reason why I brought this
clip up is this white flight.

605
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:42,540
Black people moving into white
spaces, was a popular theme of a

606
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:47,370
very popular play turn movie
called A Raisin in the Sun.

607
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,510
And Lorraine Hansberry is Raisin
in the Sun. A younger family of

608
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:55,260
five lives in a tiny dark
infested apartment on Chicago's

609
00:39:55,260 --> 00:40:00,000
South Side, sometime between
1945 and the present of 1950.

610
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,590
Denine the whole family eagerly
awaits a $10,000 life insurance

611
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:08,550
check for the work related death
of big Walter Mama's husband and

612
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:12,720
the family's patriarch Walter
Lee younger, a dissatisfied

613
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,520
chauffeur in his mid 30s wants
to invest in a liquor store. In

614
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,910
the introduction, he mentioned
news of another bombing, and he

615
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:25,260
talks finances with his wife
Ruth, Ruth and beneatha Walters

616
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:28,710
younger sister both recognize
mama as the one in charge of the

617
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:33,240
insurance money. As the rising
action begins, Walter tries to

618
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,180
convince her to finance his
investment, but Mom was against

619
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:39,000
selling liquor. She wants to
support beneath his plan to

620
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,700
attend medical school. She's
also thinking about buying a

621
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:46,110
house. The family encourages
beneath it to pursue her wealthy

622
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:49,770
suitor George Murchison, but
beneath that find some shallow

623
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:54,330
another suitor Nigerian
classmate, Joseph a soggy helps

624
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,770
Bonita explore her African
heritage. The check arrives and

625
00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:03,150
Ruth reveals she's pregnant with
an unplanned child. To Mama's

626
00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:07,950
dismay, Ruth has scheduled an
abortion. In the climax, Mama

627
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:10,560
uses part of the settlement
money to make a down payment on

628
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,670
a house. Ruth is at first
overjoyed, but then shocked to

629
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:17,430
learn the houses in Clyburn
Park, a white neighborhood.

630
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:25,500
Is this a play that is that
you're exposed to growing up?

631
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:34,260
Oh, yes. So, so much so that my
father actually played in a

632
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:41,340
community at the community art
center. He played Walter in his

633
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:47,790
play. Okay. So, um, um, they
read done it, they, they ridden

634
00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:51,330
it, I think three times. The
latest being with Puff Daddy

635
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:52,260
playing Walter.

636
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:55,230
Oh, man, this is on Netflix. I
can just watch this after the

637
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:55,710
show.

638
00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:59,340
It should be on Netflix. I know.
It's on YouTube. So I wanted to

639
00:41:59,490 --> 00:42:03,570
find out find it. Yeah. But the
original one has it he said in

640
00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:10,050
the party a in it. So it was it
was a very big deal. Um, it won

641
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:13,110
the C akoni. One award.

642
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:15,750
A Choni. a Tony Award.

643
00:42:17,070 --> 00:42:22,770
It won a game actually. Let's
see I have my notes. Yeah, it

644
00:42:22,770 --> 00:42:27,840
was award winning play. It was
based off Mikey and he uses a

645
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:33,780
famous poem poem a dream
differed from the line does a

646
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:36,510
what happens to a dream
deferred? Does it dry it like A

647
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:41,790
Raisin in the Sun? So that's it
came from that era. Ms. Lorraine

648
00:42:41,790 --> 00:42:47,880
Hansberry, the one that wrote
this play. She has a history

649
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:56,430
with actually dealing with try
to integrate into white

650
00:42:56,430 --> 00:43:00,570
communities. She was actually
part of the Supreme Court case.

651
00:43:00,570 --> 00:43:05,400
Hansberry versus Lee and this is
where the Hansberry family they,

652
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:08,580
um, they were struggling to move
into the Washington Park

653
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:15,630
subdivision and Chicago. So all
of this is connected in a way.

654
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:22,380
This is really like the one of
the driving forces to say, oh,

655
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:27,960
yeah, we can move into these
communities. And let's just go

656
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:28,560
to clip to

657
00:43:28,919 --> 00:43:32,429
Mrs. Johnson. The neighbor stops
by excited for the youngers

658
00:43:32,429 --> 00:43:35,879
move, but also scared of the
violence the likely face from

659
00:43:35,879 --> 00:43:40,139
Chicago is white folks. Walter
stops going to work and he

660
00:43:40,139 --> 00:43:44,189
drinks. When mama ceases
deterioration, she gives him

661
00:43:44,189 --> 00:43:47,429
control over the remainder of
the money. She tells him to put

662
00:43:47,429 --> 00:43:50,549
some aside for beneath his
education and to decide himself

663
00:43:50,549 --> 00:43:54,179
what to do with the rest. We see
an immediate change in Walter

664
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:58,049
and Ruth decides to keep her
baby while the youngers

665
00:43:58,049 --> 00:44:02,279
excitedly pack. Carl Lindner
visits a white representative of

666
00:44:02,279 --> 00:44:05,909
the Clyburn Park welcoming
committee in the falling action,

667
00:44:06,089 --> 00:44:09,719
and uncomfortable but polite
Lindner says he wants to start a

668
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,109
dialogue. But it's soon clear
the neighborhood residents want

669
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:17,669
to buy back the House to prevent
integration. Walter Ruth and

670
00:44:17,669 --> 00:44:21,569
beneatha angrily reject the
offer and ask Lindner to leave

671
00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:26,219
soon after Walters fellow
investor Bobo reports that

672
00:44:26,219 --> 00:44:29,159
Willie Harris has skipped town
with their investment money.

673
00:44:29,399 --> 00:44:34,169
Walters as well as beneath a
share. And raged mama begins to

674
00:44:34,169 --> 00:44:38,399
beat Walter. The family now in
need of cash consider staying in

675
00:44:38,399 --> 00:44:43,109
the apartment. And upbeat
hopeful a soggy debates the

676
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:46,739
possibility of progress with
beneatha A saga I asked her to

677
00:44:46,739 --> 00:44:49,799
move with him to Africa to work
with him to help improve the

678
00:44:49,799 --> 00:44:54,659
lives of his people. at his
lowest, Walter calls Carl

679
00:44:54,659 --> 00:44:58,349
Lindner to accept the buyout
beneath us ready to disown her

680
00:44:58,349 --> 00:45:02,669
brother, but mama and assists.
Walter needs their love now more

681
00:45:02,669 --> 00:45:06,569
than ever. In the resolution,
Walter instead tells Lindner

682
00:45:06,569 --> 00:45:10,199
they plan to move into the house
after all, as movers load the

683
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:13,199
truck, bonita says she's
thinking about going to Africa.

684
00:45:14,009 --> 00:45:17,249
Mama tells Ruth that Walters
finally come into his manhood

685
00:45:18,179 --> 00:45:21,569
with hope, as well as dark
uncertainty about integration.

686
00:45:22,049 --> 00:45:24,299
The play closes with the
youngers vacating their

687
00:45:24,299 --> 00:45:26,279
apartment and going to their new
house

688
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:42,570
so, so this is a comedy
depressing, it's

689
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:52,080
a, it's a mellow drama. Yeah.
You have these pieces of, quote

690
00:45:52,080 --> 00:46:01,500
unquote, art. Every generation
spoke of a Color Purple, that

691
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:08,880
was in the 80s that shapes and
molds black culture. And a

692
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,900
certain way this came out this
play was in 19, or late 1950s.

693
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:18,840
This movie was in 1961. And like
I said, this was a play that was

694
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,570
done. I was had to be six, seven
years old. And I think 86 My dad

695
00:46:24,570 --> 00:46:27,210
played the role of Walter and,
and the communities that are in

696
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:34,530
play. So it had real sticking
power. And it had real cultural

697
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:39,300
impact of black people not
wanting to build up their own

698
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:45,960
communities now. The talented
10th the top, you know,

699
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:54,510
achievers move out. And that's
how you get the ghetto. As

700
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:56,220
people say, I said it that way,
but

701
00:46:56,220 --> 00:47:00,060
I like how you saw that. Yeah,
the ghetto the ghetto.

702
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:04,350
Yeah, that's, that's how you get
it? Because it's like, okay. No

703
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:07,350
Child Left. What was it? No
Child Left Behind? If you're a

704
00:47:07,350 --> 00:47:10,530
top performer, we move you to a
good school. Affirmative action.

705
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:17,160
Affirmative action. Yeah, so
it's like, and then you self

706
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,380
segregate yourself? Yes, I guess
segregated from your own calm

707
00:47:22,380 --> 00:47:22,650
basically.

708
00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,459
Let me let me to the point. The
point you make here is how

709
00:47:26,459 --> 00:47:30,419
influential media and a play is
media. A book is media how

710
00:47:30,419 --> 00:47:35,459
influential artistic culture is.
And of course, it's the same for

711
00:47:35,489 --> 00:47:38,519
for white people. There's a lot
of influence from artistic

712
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,999
culture. But it sounds like and
I can't wait, I can't wait to

713
00:47:41,999 --> 00:47:44,609
see A Raisin in the Sun. It
sounds like there's a lot of

714
00:47:44,609 --> 00:47:47,249
similarities with the modern day
version, which I mentioned it

715
00:47:47,249 --> 00:47:50,609
before would be the Jefferson's.
I mean, this was the what I grew

716
00:47:50,609 --> 00:47:51,389
up watching.

717
00:47:54,270 --> 00:47:56,070
Yeah, exactly. I mean,

718
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
it's not exactly the same, but
it's similar similar as and

719
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,520
we're moving on up to the east
side. You know, George Jefferson

720
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,940
has got a big big ass chip on
his shoulder. You know, it's

721
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:07,530
kind of it's a version of that.

722
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,530
I think the time is the only
thing that would be different.

723
00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:13,500
And because these people were
forced themselves into

724
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:18,960
environments where they were not
wanted. And that's what I can't

725
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,490
say I I fully understand if I
didn't live it. But why would

726
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:26,250
you want to force yourself to
somewhere where you know, you're

727
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:29,580
not wanting, you're going to be
faced with violence and hate.

728
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,330
From a white perspective, I'm
going to give you this because

729
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:38,220
this is how I was taught. From a
white perspective. I was taught

730
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:43,290
to view someone who did that as
heroic and brave and righteous.

731
00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:50,520
That makes sense. I can
understand how people can look

732
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,020
at that. But

733
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,310
I'm just telling you that's
that's my my background in this

734
00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:59,940
particular store, not how I feel
today. But how I was brought up

735
00:49:01,470 --> 00:49:05,700
the poor I can't understand I
want to exam stick on this point

736
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:10,470
too long, but and this is what
perplex a lot of us. Do you hate

737
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:19,200
being around your own that much
will go into harm's way just for

738
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,380
a better schools. I mean, it's
just like when you see the line,

739
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:25,770
and it's like, this is this
common scene and civil rights.

740
00:49:27,570 --> 00:49:31,860
Videos of a little girl walking
in the white people yelling on

741
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:36,390
both sides. You're saying,
display? Well, bloodlust? Yes.

742
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:40,500
would use this gesture children
to that over instead of

743
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:44,880
improving your own community.
That's the part I can't

744
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:47,280
understand. But I guess I don't
want to belabor that point too

745
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,320
much, but even on a set of
raising their son, there was

746
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,800
trouble.

747
00:49:53,130 --> 00:49:56,460
In the play. The story was told
from the mother's perspective

748
00:49:56,460 --> 00:50:00,510
which party I disagreed with
from the start his character

749
00:50:00,510 --> 00:50:04,020
makes a few decisions which he
felt could show a black man in a

750
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:07,860
negative light if the audience
couldn't understand where he was

751
00:50:07,860 --> 00:50:12,630
coming from, why to voice his
opinion, and this led to a clash

752
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:17,550
between him and Claudia McNeil.
We argued constantly, he later

753
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:20,160
said, claiming that MacNeill
hated him.

754
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:25,680
Yeah, well, Sidney Poitier was a
smart man. He had a lot to say.

755
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:33,720
And may understand, only a black
man can understand how things

756
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:38,490
are going to be viewed. But as
I've said, on previous shows,

757
00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:42,900
where the sacrificial lamb, it's
like, yeah, they get shot dead

758
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,720
in the street. But then when
people make protests, they talk

759
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:50,040
about intersectionality. And all
these other topics. It's like

760
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,350
no, or they will, like I said,
go back to Color Purple, they'll

761
00:50:55,770 --> 00:51:02,520
paint the black male as the
oppressor or the problem. And I

762
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,000
think Sidney Poitier picked up
on this, that they actually

763
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,490
treated Walter as a child,
really, I mean, I mean, because

764
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:10,650
if you listen to the previous
clip, they say, oh, yeah, he

765
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:13,590
finally came to his man. Yeah,
he was a 30 year old man. Right.

766
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:16,980
Right. Right. So,

767
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:21,390
so so your, your question is,
and of course, you know, I was

768
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:25,530
alive back then. But you know,
the 67 not not much before that

769
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,780
is what was going on. What was
it? I mean, I guess you're

770
00:51:30,780 --> 00:51:34,380
saying is it must have been
really bad in the in the get

771
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:34,890
toe?

772
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Well, I will say this, and I
have to disclose this one piece

773
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:47,700
of information. Miss Hansberry
was close with Paul Robeson and

774
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:57,750
WB Dubois of the NAACP, that was
ran by the FBI agent spin guard.

775
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,130
It's propaganda.

776
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:05,370
It's totally it's totally
propaganda.

777
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,170
Yes. Well, you start tracing
these threads back. And as the

778
00:52:10,170 --> 00:52:12,930
show as people, more people,
let's listen to the show.

779
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:17,160
Sometimes go back and listen to
old shows. Because then you'll

780
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,490
get context of what we're
saying. Now. These things don't

781
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,200
have to happen in a vacuum.

782
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:28,470
No. And I just got it's just,
it's as if and uh, maybe I'm

783
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:32,760
jumping ahead. So stop me before
I kill again. But you and I have

784
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,720
both been propagandized by a big
media machine that in all

785
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:42,030
likelihood was in collusion. And
had this grand idea and, and I

786
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:45,030
got propagandize, you got
propagandize and it really

787
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:46,200
created a bunch of shit

788
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:50,610
out of everything. And then the
was it the last show where we

789
00:52:50,610 --> 00:52:53,130
talked about how the civil
rights movement or two shows ago

790
00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:55,770
I'll lose track, but how the
civil rights movement was

791
00:52:55,770 --> 00:52:59,220
televised in a way? Oh,

792
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,810
yeah, that didn't even didn't
even Claudette didn't even show

793
00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:06,570
the real first person who sat in
the front of the bus. I mean,

794
00:53:06,570 --> 00:53:10,470
all of this stuff was completely
manipulated, or selectively

795
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:11,160
presented.

796
00:53:12,990 --> 00:53:19,620
Yes. So these memes and thought
patterns are shaped through MIDI

797
00:53:19,620 --> 00:53:27,030
and fed to people that are
looking for themselves on the

798
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:32,970
screen. We all we all do that.
That's why we have different

799
00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:36,570
genres of music. That's why we
have different television shows

800
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:38,670
it because we want to see
somebody that we can identify

801
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:43,020
with. One of those shows being
good times, and we will see one

802
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,410
meme that was pushed in this
next clip on Good Times.

803
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:51,630
Never walked away from a test
before. Tell us what's really

804
00:53:51,630 --> 00:53:52,500
bothering you,

805
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:56,010
Mama. They don't know it. But
the IQ exam was nothing but a

806
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:57,150
white racist test.

807
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:01,410
Michael How could it be a white
racist test? All schoolchildren

808
00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:02,910
take it of all colors.

809
00:54:02,940 --> 00:54:05,940
Yeah, but this one was given by
the white people made up by

810
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:08,700
white people and even graded by
white people. It doesn't tell

811
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:12,420
you how smart you are just a
white you ah, that's facts.

812
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:15,750
Questions on a test like this,
complete the following phrase,

813
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,530
cup n and you have to choose
from four words wall sauce, a

814
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:22,860
table a window. You know, my
friend Eddie put down a cup and

815
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:25,800
table because in this house,
they don't have no sauces to put

816
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,430
onto the cup.

817
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,590
When I was a kid when I have no
sauces to put on the table

818
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:37,050
and get this question, a mother
father until children live in a

819
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:39,870
five bedroom residence. The
mother and father sleep in one

820
00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:43,140
bedroom and each of the two
children has a room to himself.

821
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,160
How many guests bedrooms are
there left? Now how many kids in

822
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,660
the ghetto even know what a
guest bedroom?

823
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:50,070
Yeah

824
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:57,540
I just moved to the Netherlands
so I'd never really saw a good

825
00:54:57,540 --> 00:55:01,020
times. Of course I've seen some
this is very Very, very telling,

826
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:03,420
especially knowing who produced
all this.

827
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,700
Well, we're gonna get there for
the people that this is your

828
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:13,560
first time listening. Um, but
John Amos, this is a throwback

829
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:20,100
clip. And similar to city of
Sydney party a when he brought

830
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:27,120
up negative images of how black
people were being shown on these

831
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,790
TV shows, or as this didn't
city, poor daysailer status,

832
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:32,520
erasing the sun, they were met
with a pushback,

833
00:55:32,850 --> 00:55:35,280
the differences we had on that
show and we had a number of

834
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,780
differences, as evidenced by my
early departure from the show

835
00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:43,620
was I felt that with two other
younger children, one of whom

836
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:46,680
had to aspire who aspired to
become a Supreme Court justice,

837
00:55:47,070 --> 00:55:51,390
that would be Raph Carter, or
Michael and the other.

838
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,940
Bernadette Stannis I think she
aspired to become a surgeon. And

839
00:55:56,970 --> 00:56:00,360
the differences I had with the
producers of the show was that I

840
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,130
felt too much emphasis was being
put on JJ and his Chicken Hat

841
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:10,620
and saying dynamite every third
page, when just as much emphasis

842
00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:13,530
and mileage could have been
gotten out of my other two

843
00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:17,610
children in common and jokes,
and, you know, humor that could

844
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,630
have come out of that. But I
wasn't the most diplomatic guy,

845
00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:24,210
like I said, In those days, and
they got tired of having their

846
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:27,120
lives threatened over jokes. So
they said to tell you what, why

847
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,030
don't we kill him off, and we'll
get on with it. We'll get on

848
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:33,120
with our lives. Life's too
short. So that taught me a

849
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,990
lesson that I wasn't as
important as I thought I was, to

850
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:41,220
the show, or to Norman Lear's
plans. And he was not about to

851
00:56:41,220 --> 00:56:44,640
have a disruptive effect, a
disruptive factor.

852
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:48,720
And I do want to mention, this
is a throwback clip. This is one

853
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,260
of the few podcasts that I would
say it's worth going back and

854
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:55,230
listening to every single one
we've done, because they do kind

855
00:56:55,230 --> 00:56:59,400
of build on each other. And it
just every one is worth it. By

856
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,970
itself, though, that aside.
Thank you, Norman Lear still

857
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:09,900
active today. Envy, envy. Me
meme that they pushed in the

858
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:14,070
previous clip of the good times
is standardized test. Yep.

859
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,410
Cautiously bias. Yeah. And that
hat thing has legs. We've heard

860
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:23,640
it even up until when I got
ready to take the LSAT that the

861
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,870
LSAT was culturally bias. And
before we play the next clip, I

862
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:33,240
heard you chuckle at Chicken
Hat. Yeah. And before we did,

863
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:37,050
when we did the lat that show
you didn't show cool. So that

864
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:39,840
goes to show you people when you
listen to the older shows, yeah,

865
00:57:39,870 --> 00:57:43,140
you understand? Yeah, you pick
up stuff. Why that was a problem

866
00:57:43,140 --> 00:57:46,830
to James Amos. Yeah, I mean,
excuse me, John Amos. But as I

867
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:51,660
said before, even me growing up.
When I was growing up, the LSAT

868
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:59,070
was seen as a racist or biased
test. And now the LSAT has done

869
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:00,540
things to overcome that.

870
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,070
And the College Board will start
assigning an adversity score to

871
00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:09,120
all students taking the PSAT to
capture their social and

872
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,540
economic background. It's meant
to help admissions officers

873
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:15,390
account for any disadvantage
stemming from those factors. The

874
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:19,200
score is calculated using 15
factors including the crime rate

875
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,620
and poverty, poverty levels from
the student's neighborhood. The

876
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:26,700
formula does not consider race
colleges will see the scores

877
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:31,290
when reviewing applications. 150
institutions are expected to use

878
00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:35,550
this test this fall. David
Coleman is the CEO of the

879
00:58:35,550 --> 00:58:38,100
College Board. He is here to
discuss the organization's new

880
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:41,430
approach and its response to the
massive college admissions

881
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:44,850
scandal. Good morning. Good
morning. Good to see you. So

882
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:46,980
you've probably seen this one
critic in the New York Times

883
00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:51,450
said, if the LSAT needed a
sophisticated, conventional or

884
00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:55,140
contextual framework to make it
valid, then that's a sign that

885
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:57,480
it's not a good test. So why did
the college board decide to

886
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,560
create the adversity test?

887
00:58:58,830 --> 00:59:01,770
What the LSAT is, is a valid
measure of your achievement?

888
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,230
What have you learned in reading
and math? How ready are you for

889
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:07,590
college? But what it doesn't
measure alone is it doesn't

890
00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:10,710
measure what you've overcome the
situation that you achieve that

891
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:14,400
and what we can do with this
context data. You see how

892
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,730
resourceful you are? Have you
done more with less. So to be

893
00:59:17,730 --> 00:59:20,220
clear, it's not really a
personalized adversity score.

894
00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:23,250
It's the general context of your
school and neighborhood. And

895
00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:26,160
what it's really aiming to do is
highlight those resourceful

896
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,590
students. Let me give you an
example. A college that we

897
00:59:28,590 --> 00:59:30,930
partnered with just letting a
young woman from Mississippi,

898
00:59:31,140 --> 00:59:33,330
she happens to be a rural white
young woman in a very small

899
00:59:33,330 --> 00:59:36,540
school, and her SATs score was
pretty much average with the

900
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:39,120
other applicants. But what they
found when they looked at it in

901
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,050
context is it was 400 points
higher than any other kid scored

902
00:59:43,050 --> 00:59:46,140
at her school. The neighborhood
either world she lived in was

903
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:48,900
rife with poverty. It's a small
school without a lot of advanced

904
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:52,650
opportunities, but she made the
most of it. So we're saying the

905
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:57,690
SATs shows you achievement. But
what it can't show alone. Is

906
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,790
your resourcefulness, doing more
with less

907
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,730
You know, whenever I hear
someone talking like this, it

908
01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:08,370
sounds to me like they're just
an incredible douchebag. Man,

909
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:12,780
cheese, so that guy could run
for any political office as a

910
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:14,670
Democrat, right there.

911
01:00:15,389 --> 01:00:20,939
So the adversity score. So if
you get a, say a 1200, and you

912
01:00:20,939 --> 01:00:25,949
come from a decent background,
and another person comes from a

913
01:00:25,949 --> 01:00:29,309
poor neighborhood with high
crime, and they get a 1200,

914
01:00:29,609 --> 01:00:36,329
they're graded on a curve.
Right? How does that help? I

915
01:00:36,329 --> 01:00:40,229
don't understand how that helps.
What that does is feed into the

916
01:00:40,229 --> 01:00:42,989
victimization mentality.
Exactly.

917
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:48,330
Yeah, so I'm so sorry, your will
give you a chance.

918
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,600
And yeah, the thought process
is, I'm sure lining good

919
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,720
intentions. But when you get to
that school, they'll be like,

920
01:00:57,750 --> 01:01:01,950
oh, what you made on the SATs?
Oh, yeah, I got a 1200. And the

921
01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:04,560
average score, there's like a
15. I don't know what the scores

922
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,670
are now. But they say the
average score is 15 1600. What

923
01:01:08,670 --> 01:01:14,520
are you doing here? You don't
belong, right. So you're

924
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:20,730
creating an environment for that
person? To be ostracize, instead

925
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:24,990
of taking the data and saying,
okay, these communities are the

926
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:28,590
poor communities with high
crime. Let's fix the source of

927
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:32,220
the problem. Oh, no, no, no.
Take the cream, the cream

928
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:37,320
of the crop. Just oops, you just
skim that off? Here we go. Come

929
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:37,500
here.

930
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:42,600
Yep. So that means the only
people that are allowed to make

931
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,750
it out of those poor crime
ridden communities audit.

932
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:54,840
Academic elite? Yes. Now, who's
the real elitist? Who's the

933
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,480
real? I mean, who I mean, that's
a bigoted mindset. They'll say,

934
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,910
Oh, well, you can't make their
threshold. So you You're doing

935
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:08,490
too poor schools? This is the
flip side of that coin of

936
01:02:08,490 --> 01:02:11,970
victimization mentality, the
people that support this thought

937
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:12,600
process.

938
01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:16,710
And that oh, well, you said
something important. Important,

939
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,160
is I think that, you know, the
people who are speaking about

940
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,780
this, and who put these programs
in place, sadly, I think a lot

941
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:32,880
of them were of good heart. They
meant well, but you know, what

942
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,540
bugs me and I'm not going to say
it anymore, is that I see the

943
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:39,960
same thing happening. And we
have the results, historical

944
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,820
data to show that this is just
not the way to do it. So that's

945
01:02:44,820 --> 01:02:49,860
really weird. It's like, you
know, that it's the definition

946
01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:50,610
of insanity.

947
01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:57,630
Okay, let me Alright, so I'm
gonna give you my perspective on

948
01:02:57,630 --> 01:03:03,570
why I think this deadly
combination of good intentions

949
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:10,860
from the good hearted liberal
people. And then you have the

950
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:17,520
elite of the sad group. It works
for them, because it's like, oh,

951
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,270
yeah, help us. And they will,
you know, will help the people

952
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:24,630
down there. Oh, definitely. We,
we want to trickle down, trickle

953
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:24,990
down.

954
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:28,680
Yeah, no, I told you. Yeah, no,
yes. I completely understand

955
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:29,130
what you're saying.

956
01:03:29,820 --> 01:03:32,730
So it's trickle down. And it's
like the good news. And that's

957
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:35,340
why I was saying before, if you
get the middleman out of the

958
01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:40,050
way. That's why people wonder
why oh, why he's focused so much

959
01:03:40,050 --> 01:03:46,560
energy on the Boulais, quote,
unquote, Boulais, or the black

960
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,880
elite, because they are behind
the shade on the jar. They're

961
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,990
running the show. They are the
lid on the jar, and they

962
01:03:54,990 --> 01:03:57,510
function that they're the
gatekeeper or whatever you want

963
01:03:57,510 --> 01:04:00,870
to call. Yeah, it's fine. The
only way you make it out is

964
01:04:00,870 --> 01:04:04,560
through us through us through us
and you had to be exceptional.

965
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:09,150
That's the only way if you're
exceptional edge, putting a ball

966
01:04:09,150 --> 01:04:13,530
through the hall or running a
ball or dancing or singing or

967
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,900
intelligence or whatever your
kids get into the club. If not

968
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:22,830
screw you stay down there. You
will be the victim that will

969
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:27,900
lobby off of it's the same thing
with homeless. We don't want to

970
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:30,540
fix the homeless problem. We got
to million dollar billion dollar

971
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:35,310
scheme fix on going here. We
don't want to fix global

972
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:38,310
warming. We got a billion dollar
scheme going here. It's like we

973
01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:39,390
need the problem.

974
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:44,550
Per Se problem reaction
solution.

975
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:54,630
Yes. So I'm Gail from the show.
Um, she chimes in about the sa

976
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:55,740
t. Yeah. So

977
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:58,290
then that's, that's the point
you're trying to make I hear is

978
01:04:58,290 --> 01:05:01,080
that it's really about putting
it all in context, it's calling

979
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,930
it the adversity score. Some
people will say it should be

980
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:05,160
called the privilege score.

981
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:08,340
Yeah, I think calling the score
is kind of a mistake, if you

982
01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:11,370
don't mind, it's really a
general background. So every kid

983
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,190
in the same school or same
neighborhood gets the same

984
01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:16,590
background information, we use
no personal data,

985
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:19,890
don't colleges have access to
that information, already have

986
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:21,990
some data. And you're right,
this is really making what

987
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:24,660
colleges already do a lot
better. We've long agreed in

988
01:05:24,660 --> 01:05:27,780
American education, that we
should recognize students who

989
01:05:27,780 --> 01:05:30,390
have defied the odds to
accomplish our mistakes. And so

990
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:33,060
they try to use school profiles,
they try to use a jumble of

991
01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:36,060
evidence, and all we're doing is
providing that in a more fair

992
01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:38,850
way. So schools that might not
have as much resources to make

993
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:41,220
their profile and might not be
as well known to admissions

994
01:05:41,220 --> 01:05:44,430
officers can be seen in the same
light so that they can witness

995
01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:47,700
the neighborhood in which
students grow up. And really all

996
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:51,240
this is about is there is so
much more talent than we can see

997
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,190
than by using scores alone. You
know,

998
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,610
David, you say it's a valid
measure of achievement, a lot of

999
01:05:56,610 --> 01:05:59,310
people would think and these are
people who would probably not

1000
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,760
have adversity that could count
against them. They think it's a

1001
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,360
valid measure of your ability to
cram for an idiosyncratic test.

1002
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:10,110
And so they get their kids into
the, you know, various study

1003
01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:13,170
programs, people are thumbing
through books going crazy. What

1004
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:15,090
about that criticism of the SAP,

1005
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:19,020
it's a pretty old fashioned
picture of the old sap in 2014.

1006
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:22,110
We revised the test and
partnered with Khan Academy to

1007
01:06:22,110 --> 01:06:24,660
make the best of test
preparation free for the world.

1008
01:06:25,050 --> 01:06:28,740
Now, 30 seconds after taking the
exam like the PSAT, you get a

1009
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:31,860
personalized study plan for
free, and you practice just what

1010
01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:34,530
you need to get better at and
reading and math. This is not a

1011
01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:37,440
mysterious test to test a few
core math skills use over and

1012
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,400
over again, and your ability to
read with confidence. Ooh, man,

1013
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:49,620
what a program. So how is the
test racist? When the man just

1014
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:55,770
said it takes a test, core math,
right? And your confidence in

1015
01:06:55,770 --> 01:07:04,830
reading, core math and your
competence and reading. But when

1016
01:07:04,830 --> 01:07:08,670
you have things like what we saw
with the IQ test, and these

1017
01:07:08,820 --> 01:07:12,060
standardized tests are
culturally biased, they grow

1018
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:19,110
legs, they evolve over time,
then it becomes SSA T is racist.

1019
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,660
Now, Adam, I want to I want to
ask you something.

1020
01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:28,710
X away my friend, you x all the
hell you want my brother.

1021
01:07:31,170 --> 01:07:34,980
What would be the one subject of
education that you would think

1022
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:38,310
is universal? Well, there can
only

1023
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:43,080
be one truth and the only truth
I've been taught is in numbers,

1024
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:49,710
mathematics is truth. One is
one, zero is zero. And that's

1025
01:07:49,710 --> 01:07:53,190
it. There's just there's just
truth in mathematics.

1026
01:07:53,880 --> 01:08:00,720
No, math is racist. The opposite
of Donald Trump is an Asian man

1027
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,920
who likes math.

1028
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,530
Andrew Yang may want to rethink
that catchphrase, because

1029
01:08:07,530 --> 01:08:12,390
apparently, math is racist.
Seattle's public schools are

1030
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:16,740
considering a proposal that
would mix social justice in with

1031
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:21,570
math, including studying how
math has been appropriated by

1032
01:08:21,570 --> 01:08:27,480
Western culture, and that math
itself is racist. And Alessia

1033
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:30,930
Parson is a sociologist and
educator, who agrees with the

1034
01:08:30,930 --> 01:08:35,520
premise of the proposal, and
joins me now. All right, so And

1035
01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:39,930
let me let me just see where I'm
confused. So you understand

1036
01:08:39,930 --> 01:08:46,530
what's going on? I am bad at
math. And if math is racist, and

1037
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:53,820
I'm also white, does that make
me too dumb to be racist? Or

1038
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,820
not? Racist enough to be good at
math?

1039
01:09:01,650 --> 01:09:05,490
Not racist enough. Jesse. That's
such a long conversation. First

1040
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:10,650
of all, remember Dr. Alessio
Parson Yes. So please don't

1041
01:09:10,860 --> 01:09:12,810
refer to me by an but I
appreciate it.

1042
01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:15,090
Okay, so apologize.

1043
01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:21,930
Oh, whoa, well back off. Okay,
so when is she blocked this?

1044
01:09:22,110 --> 01:09:23,040
This doctor?

1045
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,960
No. Okay,

1046
01:09:24,989 --> 01:09:26,219
give me even better.

1047
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:31,710
What's wrong with her? Okay, so
my math is racist. Yeah, I

1048
01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:34,980
still don't know. I mean,
hopefully I'll learn I'd love to

1049
01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:35,700
understand.

1050
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:45,479
And before we get into clip to
just another personal my father,

1051
01:09:46,049 --> 01:09:50,459
he would not tolerate a bad
grades and math. Because he

1052
01:09:50,459 --> 01:09:55,019
would say the one thing you can
say language or you know, you

1053
01:09:55,019 --> 01:09:58,859
can make these cases or, you
know, context language and it

1054
01:09:58,859 --> 01:10:04,049
can be subjective. But um, math
is pure. You said it yourself.

1055
01:10:04,499 --> 01:10:09,539
One plus is plus one plus one is
two, whether in China or India,

1056
01:10:09,869 --> 01:10:14,099
wherever you have one egg you
give a person another egg. They

1057
01:10:14,099 --> 01:10:15,149
have two eggs

1058
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,290
seems large, but

1059
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:19,260
math is racist to

1060
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:22,530
tell me why math is racist
doctor?

1061
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:30,120
Yes. So you it's funny on
November 6 2016, I was at a

1062
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,990
conference on statistics. And I
raised my hand and I was like,

1063
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,900
Are you telling me statistics
are racist? And that was what,

1064
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,250
almost three years ago? And I
was really confused when I asked

1065
01:10:44,250 --> 01:10:47,250
the question and spent years
reading about many different

1066
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:51,900
things. Have you Jesse red
Native Son, which I gave you

1067
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:52,950
last time we met.

1068
01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:57,990
I read it in high school, but I
have not reread it since the

1069
01:10:57,990 --> 01:11:01,770
last time you gave it to me. But
what does that have to do with

1070
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:03,480
is math racist?

1071
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,290
So the critical race theory and
is a framework for understanding

1072
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:13,290
the world that helps us
understand that this entire

1073
01:11:13,290 --> 01:11:17,010
country is racist, right? We
have a white supremacist pasts,

1074
01:11:17,130 --> 01:11:19,170
racial caste system in the
United States.

1075
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:24,060
For once, right, are you saying
that all white people in America

1076
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:25,050
are racist?

1077
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,600
Yeah, I am, too. Sometimes it
happens. We were socialized.

1078
01:11:31,020 --> 01:11:33,690
Right? The process of
socialization and learning about

1079
01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:34,590
social norms.

1080
01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,080
So you're, you're a racist.

1081
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:41,520
Occasionally it happens. I
usually apologize it when I

1082
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,030
realized

1083
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:45,600
that how are you a racist? What
do you think makes you superior?

1084
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,590
Josie, that question doesn't
make sense.

1085
01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:53,940
Well, isn't racism the belief
that one race is inherently

1086
01:11:53,940 --> 01:11:57,900
superior than another race and
then you discriminate against

1087
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:58,920
other races?

1088
01:12:00,539 --> 01:12:03,959
That is a piece of racism. But
you get the definition that's

1089
01:12:03,959 --> 01:12:08,999
really old. Oh, language evolves
over time. Race and white

1090
01:12:08,999 --> 01:12:13,199
supremacy? What are white race
and white supremacy today? Yeah,

1091
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:17,399
okay. They are structures that
affect us all. So people do

1092
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:21,329
things that are racist all the
time, myself included, because

1093
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,519
we don't realize that's
happening, like

1094
01:12:23,519 --> 01:12:24,359
microaggressions.

1095
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:28,620
Okay. Oh, okay. Well, that makes
sense. I'm sorry, I didn't get

1096
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:33,960
the memo. I still go by the
Merriam Webster definition of

1097
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,560
racism, which I will quote,
prejudice discrimination or

1098
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,530
antagonism directed against
someone every different race

1099
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:45,570
based on the belief that one's
own race is superior. Well, now

1100
01:12:45,570 --> 01:12:48,240
I understand why everyone's
being called a racist. It's

1101
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,110
different now. I just can't find
the actual definition. But all

1102
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:53,070
right, what

1103
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:58,830
is it? And did you catch the
irony here? Because he's very,

1104
01:12:58,830 --> 01:13:02,910
very rich. If you didn't, I'll
tell you what.

1105
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:06,420
There was a lot going on there.
Go ahead. Tell me that I need

1106
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:12,420
a washy saying validates while
the sa t language portion will

1107
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:13,290
be racing, by

1108
01:13:13,289 --> 01:13:17,309
definition. By definition. New
difficult, will

1109
01:13:17,309 --> 01:13:21,359
you will you change though debt,
the definition of our words at a

1110
01:13:21,359 --> 01:13:25,949
whim? Yeah, people don't get the
memo. I go into thinking you

1111
01:13:25,949 --> 01:13:29,099
mean one thing that I've studied
on you change it to mean

1112
01:13:29,099 --> 01:13:34,289
something else. I'm out of the
loop of what is in vogue.

1113
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,950
Mmm hmm. Oh, my God. This is I
mean, this is so current for me.

1114
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:45,540
I mean, I just got called out
for being a misogynist and a

1115
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:51,570
racist for making fun of the way
some in particular, the way some

1116
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,550
people talk. Important, I made a
joke about I'll still make a

1117
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:59,910
joke about it. Because
apparently old white man must

1118
01:13:59,910 --> 01:14:04,050
shut the EFF up because language
change and you're in the way.

1119
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,130
I'm like, Okay, well, let's if
that's settled science, like,

1120
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,980
you know, there's words change
gay used to mean something else,

1121
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:13,680
you know, eventually we all
accept it, but it has to go

1122
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,740
through a little process. And
then we have these crazy things

1123
01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:20,040
called dictionaries, which then
define it and say, Okay, here's

1124
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,160
the new meaning of the word and
I'm okay with that. But you

1125
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,980
can't just do that and say,
You're just you're just old

1126
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:28,170
fashion. That's an old
definition. You don't know what

1127
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:30,540
you're talking about. This is an
outrage.

1128
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:36,690
And you know what? She coined a
new term a boy that occasional

1129
01:14:36,690 --> 01:14:39,660
racist. I'm occasionally racist.

1130
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:48,480
I try to be racist on Saturdays.
I'm working on Sundays as well.

1131
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,690
Oh, it explains well, I
hopefully that she can give us a

1132
01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:57,960
little better explanation of
what racist is because I know

1133
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,230
what it's not not. So it's not
It doesn't occur when you just

1134
01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:04,740
think that you are superior to a
different race. It happens

1135
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:06,180
apparently, in other cases,

1136
01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:08,459
I'm sure you all know,

1137
01:15:08,699 --> 01:15:13,079
how is two plus two equals four?
How does that discriminate

1138
01:15:13,079 --> 01:15:15,809
against black people or brown
people?

1139
01:15:17,730 --> 01:15:21,870
One stick plus two stick. Humans
were like, Hey, here's a stick.

1140
01:15:21,870 --> 01:15:28,020
Here's another. I just did some
math, that was not racist. We're

1141
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:30,420
on the same page with that.
Okay, one plus one equals two.

1142
01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:35,610
Yes. Okay. Humans have then used
math and numbers and statistics

1143
01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:38,700
and all sorts of ways from
counting black and brown bodies

1144
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:41,310
as they made them property and
brought them over to these

1145
01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:45,150
lands. Much more recently,
scholars who said that white

1146
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:47,880
people were more intelligent
than people of color. That's

1147
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,990
called Scientific racism, the
use of statistics and tools to

1148
01:15:52,110 --> 01:15:56,250
construct the idea that it's
like something deep in our

1149
01:15:56,250 --> 01:15:59,820
brains, it's hard to recognize
and that's why it requires time

1150
01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:03,810
Jesse, I asked you a question.
Just because people more than

1151
01:16:03,810 --> 01:16:05,850
two years to get here slavery,

1152
01:16:05,969 --> 01:16:10,649
does it make counting racist? Do
you understand something can be

1153
01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:15,029
related to each other, but not a
causation? Do you understand

1154
01:16:15,029 --> 01:16:15,719
what I mean?

1155
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,080
Do you understand what
statistics is?

1156
01:16:19,139 --> 01:16:23,759
I think I do. I'm not
understanding though. If you

1157
01:16:23,759 --> 01:16:29,879
understand, that's the point.
Doctor, I run, I have to run,

1158
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:32,669
doctor, maybe we could do this
again sometime. And you could

1159
01:16:32,669 --> 01:16:33,149
explain it

1160
01:16:33,869 --> 01:16:37,079
to come to the Democratic debate
or Milwaukee next year. Thank

1161
01:16:37,079 --> 01:16:37,319
you.

1162
01:16:38,489 --> 01:16:42,569
Okay, she's just the Oh, f her
hold on a second. Stop this

1163
01:16:42,569 --> 01:16:46,589
show. Now you've got me got me
all riled up now. Thank God

1164
01:16:46,619 --> 01:16:49,589
water said, Wait a minute is
counting racist? Thank you. I

1165
01:16:49,589 --> 01:16:53,699
was gonna ask about that. So.
But here's what she did. She

1166
01:16:53,699 --> 01:16:56,309
brought it into the second clip,
she did it. She brought in

1167
01:16:56,309 --> 01:17:00,809
statistics. And what I've
learned about statistics, is

1168
01:17:00,959 --> 01:17:05,099
there's lies, damn lies, and
statistics. And statistics,

1169
01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:10,199
statistics is not just math,
it's math based on variables,

1170
01:17:10,469 --> 01:17:14,309
and known as the N while the N
factor is what I'd call it

1171
01:17:14,339 --> 01:17:19,229
interesting in this context,
where were you where you have an

1172
01:17:19,229 --> 01:17:23,969
n, which is a number that you
know, will offset your margin of

1173
01:17:23,969 --> 01:17:27,329
error, which is how polling is
done. And we know how polling

1174
01:17:27,329 --> 01:17:29,819
works, you know, sometimes
doesn't work very well at all.

1175
01:17:29,819 --> 01:17:35,309
Ergo, the 2016 election. And
then it turns out that all she's

1176
01:17:35,309 --> 01:17:38,429
here is to do like, Epstein
didn't kill himself and yell out

1177
01:17:38,429 --> 01:17:43,799
at the end put me on the debate.
I want to be there. I'll shut up

1178
01:17:43,799 --> 01:17:46,439
for a second that got me riled
up mo to em.

1179
01:17:47,460 --> 01:17:50,310
Hey, black man. Yeah, one stick
plus Tuesday.

1180
01:17:51,180 --> 01:17:56,100
Three. And let me now let me
count the black man now we're

1181
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:57,060
getting racist.

1182
01:17:58,350 --> 01:18:00,540
Not as hard for you to
understand what your three

1183
01:18:00,540 --> 01:18:01,410
fifths of a brain

1184
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:05,400
Oh my man, man, man, man. So
okay,

1185
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,060
so this is what I hear. When I
hear crap like this. It's like,

1186
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:14,400
why are you talking to me? Like
I'm an idiot? Who can't learn

1187
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:20,400
math. Especially talking about
basic arithmetic. We're not

1188
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,980
talking about when you get into
calculus in those days because

1189
01:18:23,010 --> 01:18:25,890
you know, there's something
totally different but basic math

1190
01:18:25,890 --> 01:18:31,050
but no, math is racist. And you
can see the the decline and we

1191
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:36,300
went from the IQ score, the IQ
test to the LSAT now all the

1192
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:40,980
math is racist. For brown and
black man, he can't get his head

1193
01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:44,520
around. One place. One stick
plus one sit, you got to stick I

1194
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:44,850
mean.

1195
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,700
I mean, it's, um, we're laughing
but I'm laughing kind of out of

1196
01:18:50,730 --> 01:18:55,230
severe sadness that this is
going on. This is new. This is

1197
01:18:55,230 --> 01:18:58,350
now this is what maybe maybe two
months ago. I don't know when

1198
01:18:58,350 --> 01:18:58,590
this

1199
01:18:58,620 --> 01:19:01,620
Yeah, this is two months ago.
This is when we're in the

1200
01:19:01,620 --> 01:19:04,650
presence right now. So we went
to the past just so everybody

1201
01:19:04,650 --> 01:19:08,640
know, along the timeline. We're
out of the 60s, we're out of the

1202
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,530
70s. Now we're in real time. Um,
but this is what happens when

1203
01:19:13,530 --> 01:19:21,870
you get a bunch of intellectuals
sitting around. You know, just

1204
01:19:21,930 --> 01:19:25,560
blowing smoke, for whom by the
way, white guilt has been jammed

1205
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,590
up their butthole all their
life, apparently. Uh huh. Does

1206
01:19:28,590 --> 01:19:33,330
that mean and this happens in
colleges universities ever

1207
01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:34,680
rewear

1208
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:39,090
that's the breeding ground?
Yeah, it's the breeding ground

1209
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:44,460
of the god. Well, I wonder what
it could be. I wonder why the

1210
01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:47,820
colors, color learn and you
know,

1211
01:19:49,140 --> 01:19:50,190
it must be my fault.

1212
01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:55,590
Right. But I will say this is
not a white phenomenon because

1213
01:19:55,590 --> 01:20:01,260
we have Miss Imani Perry. She's
a famous author. Ah, she wrote a

1214
01:20:01,260 --> 01:20:05,040
song breve a letter to my son's.

1215
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:08,070
So I'm just gonna read really
briefly and then we'll jump into

1216
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:14,400
conversation. And this is in the
midst of writing to my son's

1217
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,620
there are fingers itching to
have a reason to cage or even

1218
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:24,390
slaughter you. Oh, my God. What
hate for beauty this world

1219
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:29,190
breeds. They say they are
afraid. I do not believe it is

1220
01:20:29,190 --> 01:20:34,410
fear. It is bloodlust. People
will say I'm being melodramatic

1221
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:38,790
they have. But police kill
middle class black children and

1222
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:43,380
adults to not with the same
frequency. But class is no

1223
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:48,690
prevention. It is a reduction of
the odds at fast as a black

1224
01:20:48,690 --> 01:20:51,960
mother when I read about one of
those children whose lives have

1225
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,800
been snatched at first blush, I
think that could have been my

1226
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:56,460
child.

1227
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:02,280
Proof did you take all that in?

1228
01:21:03,060 --> 01:21:07,230
Yeah, you might. You know, I'm
already kind of full. I don't

1229
01:21:07,230 --> 01:21:12,840
know if I can fit anything else
in here. Okay, so

1230
01:21:12,869 --> 01:21:20,279
Mr. Mani Perry is a black woman.
She she works at Princeton. And

1231
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:24,509
she's like I said she the fang
author, and she writes this, I

1232
01:21:24,509 --> 01:21:29,609
guess a letter to her sons about
how there's a blood list that

1233
01:21:29,609 --> 01:21:30,869
wants to kill around

1234
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:33,600
every corner that's setting your
kids up. That's really that's a

1235
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,690
good way to get them Go on, get
them on. Good push in life.

1236
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:42,090
Right. So what they do is, yeah,
so what they do is they see

1237
01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:45,750
these stories on the news. And
what she said was, that could

1238
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:49,650
have been one of my children.
Oh, we heard somebody say this

1239
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:50,550
before.

1240
01:21:50,580 --> 01:21:55,650
Can I just say something? All my
life. Yeah. And I would say that

1241
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:00,120
the best period to compare this
to is when I was in New Jersey,

1242
01:22:00,420 --> 01:22:06,360
and we were in Montclair, very,
very elite neighborhood, right

1243
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:10,470
next to East Orange. But
whenever my kid was born in

1244
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:15,870
1990, whenever I saw shit on the
news, black, white, yellow,

1245
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:18,960
gray, I don't care. I always
thought that could be my kid.

1246
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,770
But not just if it was a white
or a black kid, it was every kid

1247
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:26,730
every kid Holy shit, how can
this happen to our kids?

1248
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:32,880
Right. So we've heard this
before. With what Mr. President

1249
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,700
Obama speaking Oh, Trayvon
Martin? Well,

1250
01:22:36,809 --> 01:22:41,189
I'm the head of the executive
branch. And the Attorney General

1251
01:22:41,639 --> 01:22:44,459
reports to me. So I've got to be
careful about my statements to

1252
01:22:44,459 --> 01:22:48,179
make sure that we're not
impairing any investigation

1253
01:22:48,179 --> 01:22:49,319
that's taking place right now.

1254
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:57,600
But obviously, this is a
tragedy. I can only imagine what

1255
01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,160
these parents are going through.

1256
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:14,549
And when I think about this boy,
I think about my own kids. And I

1257
01:23:14,549 --> 01:23:21,569
think every parent in America
should be able to understand why

1258
01:23:21,869 --> 01:23:26,189
it is absolutely imperative that
we investigate every aspect of

1259
01:23:26,189 --> 01:23:29,639
this, and that everybody pulls
together federal, state and

1260
01:23:29,639 --> 01:23:37,439
local to figure out exactly how
this tragedy happened. So I'm

1261
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,819
glad that not only is the
Justice Department looking into

1262
01:23:41,819 --> 01:23:44,789
it, I understand now that the
governor of the state of Florida

1263
01:23:44,819 --> 01:23:47,849
has formed a task force to
investigate what's taking place.

1264
01:23:48,269 --> 01:23:50,729
I think all of us have to do
some soul searching to figure

1265
01:23:50,729 --> 01:23:53,699
out how does something like this
happen. And that means that we

1266
01:23:53,699 --> 01:24:00,119
examined the laws and the
context for what happened, as

1267
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:04,139
well as the specifics of the
incident. But my main message

1268
01:24:04,139 --> 01:24:10,499
is, is to the parents of Trayvon
Martin. You know, if I had a

1269
01:24:10,499 --> 01:24:11,669
son, he'd look like Trayvon.

1270
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:16,560
Yeah, he was really good up
until that last bit. You know,

1271
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:19,140
every parent's in America all
that? Yeah, totally.

1272
01:24:19,890 --> 01:24:24,300
Yeah, but if I had a son, he
would look like Trayvon. And

1273
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:27,210
we're still waiting on it
investigation. That was gonna

1274
01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:31,110
say, Do we have any any outcome
of that? Finally, I mean, do we

1275
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:31,410
know?

1276
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:42,090
So we see how these means and
even in literature. Oh, it could

1277
01:24:42,090 --> 01:24:46,800
be my son, Obama. It could be my
son. These things they travel,

1278
01:24:46,980 --> 01:24:51,870
and this is the talk gone wrong.
We've talked about this before.

1279
01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:55,470
Of one. Yeah, it's some things
out there that we need to be

1280
01:24:55,470 --> 01:24:59,100
worried about how you interact
with certain people. But when

1281
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:04,350
you trigging traumatize your
children. With there's a blood

1282
01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:06,390
lust out there that wants to
take your life with every

1283
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:11,070
second. You know, that's very
harmful. No kids very harmful.

1284
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:15,960
No kidding. So, Miss Imani
Perry, she continues on with her

1285
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,190
book breeds.

1286
01:25:17,730 --> 01:25:22,230
There's this particular sort of
motif of black mothers is long

1287
01:25:22,230 --> 01:25:27,750
suffering, right? And everything
is sacrifice, which in some ways

1288
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:33,000
is true. But then it's also
split. How do you educate your

1289
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,120
children or the young people in
your life to have the kind of

1290
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,660
care for you fully as a person
that you have for them, because

1291
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:42,120
you want them to be that way
with the people in their lives?

1292
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:42,480
Right.

1293
01:25:43,079 --> 01:25:50,639
It's interesting, because when
you think about the, the

1294
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:54,269
disciplines that we you know, we
love and we live in and we we've

1295
01:25:54,269 --> 01:26:00,809
studied our way through, and
even the sense that the means

1296
01:26:00,809 --> 01:26:04,469
toward a kind of stability and
authority like stem, as we see.

1297
01:26:05,759 --> 01:26:11,369
All of those things are buying
into a particular kind of order,

1298
01:26:11,639 --> 01:26:19,139
and belief that this will pay
off races, this is going to

1299
01:26:19,139 --> 01:26:23,009
convince the world of what is
right. This is going to make a

1300
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:27,209
stable life for you and keep you
safe. Yes. The world we live in

1301
01:26:27,209 --> 01:26:31,259
shows us that is not true. True.
And what's so beautiful about

1302
01:26:31,259 --> 01:26:34,529
this book is that you call on so
much that is outside of that

1303
01:26:34,529 --> 01:26:38,459
that to me feels undeniably
rooted in blackness. Yeah, the

1304
01:26:38,459 --> 01:26:42,239
belief in the spirit and the
sense of, you know, yes, there

1305
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:47,519
was a way that suffering and
love are inextricable. Yes. So

1306
01:26:47,519 --> 01:26:51,449
it's it's exciting to me that in
addition to being a book that's

1307
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:56,159
really practical and loving,
it's also kind of this archival

1308
01:26:56,969 --> 01:27:00,869
celebration of the things that
come from blackness that we

1309
01:27:00,869 --> 01:27:03,569
haven't yet fully categorized.

1310
01:27:04,289 --> 01:27:05,159
Absolutely.

1311
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:09,690
Glad to have a black friend who
explained to me

1312
01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:16,380
I wanted to clip it in there.
She said, That's not true. Yeah,

1313
01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:21,780
I heard I heard it. I heard it.
I heard. I heard you there I

1314
01:27:21,780 --> 01:27:22,170
don't know.

1315
01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:27,840
But yeah, like, she brought up
one point of there's this

1316
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:29,550
suffering of a blast.

1317
01:27:29,819 --> 01:27:32,009
Suffering and love go hand in
hand.

1318
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:38,160
It's this continuation of, you
have to be a victim, you have to

1319
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:43,530
suffer. You know, you have, you
know, this is what we do. So

1320
01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:49,050
much. So, even when Michelle
Obama was in office, she slipped

1321
01:27:49,050 --> 01:27:52,830
up and said, She's way I'm gonna
let you you want to care. And

1322
01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:55,260
guess what she said she would
because I didn't finish the

1323
01:27:55,260 --> 01:27:59,190
clip. I said, dot dot dot? Well,
or you just want to go to

1324
01:28:00,270 --> 01:28:02,640
the first thing that comes to my
mind is that she would say she

1325
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,830
was a victim of something.
That's the only thing that came

1326
01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:06,540
to mind. I don't know if I'm
right.

1327
01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:08,670
Alright, let's see what she
says.

1328
01:28:08,730 --> 01:28:13,290
We're looking at new models of
getting farmers markets to, you

1329
01:28:13,290 --> 01:28:16,770
know, create buses and drive
into communities that are

1330
01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:21,180
underserved. So we have to deal
with the question of access. And

1331
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:27,420
believe me as a busy single
mother, or single as a busy

1332
01:28:27,450 --> 01:28:30,540
mother, sometimes, you know,
when you got the husband who's

1333
01:28:30,540 --> 01:28:34,410
president, it can feel a little
single, but he's there. But as a

1334
01:28:34,410 --> 01:28:38,310
busy working mom, and before
coming to the White House, I was

1335
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:42,510
in that position, you know, as
well, working, driving kids to

1336
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:46,410
practice, you know, not having
enough time to shop or cook not

1337
01:28:46,410 --> 01:28:50,370
having the energy. You know, the
resources weren't the issue, but

1338
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,650
time and energy is is key.

1339
01:28:52,829 --> 01:28:55,829
I of course I remember this. And
I should have remembered that

1340
01:28:55,829 --> 01:28:58,829
she had said that because we
played this clip a lot. Yeah.

1341
01:28:58,859 --> 01:29:01,919
And of course, I didn't look at
that in any of this context. I

1342
01:29:01,919 --> 01:29:07,319
looked at it in the context.
What if you're a dude, we had no

1343
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:09,929
other way to look at what she
was saying. Then you're not

1344
01:29:09,929 --> 01:29:15,029
married, you know what is going
on? But actually, and I think I

1345
01:29:15,029 --> 01:29:17,519
understand what she was trying
to say, you know, when you have

1346
01:29:17,519 --> 01:29:18,269
a politician

1347
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:22,860
who but yeah, we want to play
the victim card. Yeah, that's

1348
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,050
right. That's right.

1349
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,230
Mentally, you might all I want.
You want to identify as this,

1350
01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:32,400
you know, as a single mother,
you know, he's Brock's bear.

1351
01:29:33,660 --> 01:29:35,790
He's running the country. Yeah.
I mean, what do you mean, he's

1352
01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:40,050
there? I mean, he's around
seriously. Yeah, he's there, you

1353
01:29:40,050 --> 01:29:40,200
know,

1354
01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:45,510
cigarettes in the back. Yeah.
Wow. When

1355
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:50,910
you want to get in on the PD
party, you have to identify when

1356
01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:55,650
you want to, like say play your
victim card. Sometimes it slips

1357
01:29:55,650 --> 01:30:02,640
out. And she played her victim
card, but Oh, these two, Imani

1358
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:07,140
Perry and Michelle Obama. We're
gonna go back into a throwback

1359
01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:13,080
clip from Madame Noir. This was
the panel black women talking

1360
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,380
about the struggle struggles or
raising black boys. What do you

1361
01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:16,620
think

1362
01:30:16,620 --> 01:30:20,910
the hardest thing is to do as a
mom? In 2017 parenting? What are

1363
01:30:20,910 --> 01:30:23,970
the things you worried about the
most raising black children?

1364
01:30:24,989 --> 01:30:31,589
That I have boys? I have two
boys. Two boys and how do I like

1365
01:30:31,589 --> 01:30:36,059
prepare them for that life? Yes,
slip flooded the stress and, and

1366
01:30:36,059 --> 01:30:38,429
it's a lot of stress that I
don't know as a woman, because

1367
01:30:38,519 --> 01:30:41,129
we have stressed but we also can
navigate circles a little bit

1368
01:30:41,129 --> 01:30:43,949
better because a women because
we're women, and like I don't

1369
01:30:44,069 --> 01:30:47,189
how do I prepare you know for
those moments when he comes home

1370
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:49,709
and something has gone right in
the street? And he doesn't know

1371
01:30:49,709 --> 01:30:50,939
how to deal with it right

1372
01:30:50,939 --> 01:30:57,749
or? Yeah. So now you see that
mindset is being set in elite

1373
01:30:57,749 --> 01:30:58,559
circles.

1374
01:31:00,569 --> 01:31:03,059
I can't believe that you're even
doing a podcast with me. How

1375
01:31:03,059 --> 01:31:05,279
come you're not dead in the
street? I mean, it's obvious

1376
01:31:05,279 --> 01:31:08,339
your future just how did this
change? This is not possible.

1377
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:16,620
Amen. I was lucky. It's math,
bro. The blood? I mean, he's

1378
01:31:16,620 --> 01:31:22,500
still out there. In the blood
lessons go hunt me down. I mean,

1379
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:23,160
so I mean,

1380
01:31:23,939 --> 01:31:26,039
it's a great title for a movie
bloodlust.

1381
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:33,630
So, you see the mindset. And the
second part is a two part of

1382
01:31:33,630 --> 01:31:38,790
that. From the madam Noir. They
speak on fear. Okay, it's hard

1383
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:42,210
to let them be free. When we're
fearful. Right? Yeah. Because

1384
01:31:42,210 --> 01:31:44,790
you know, because my best friend
she said like that boy be free.

1385
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:47,910
Yeah, he wants take off his
shoes. I don't think it's hard

1386
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:51,270
like for them to be free. Like
we're a little fearful and I

1387
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:53,490
think that's the that's the
tension of like, I want them to

1388
01:31:53,490 --> 01:31:56,940
grow. I want them to explore and
try stuff out. But like I'm I'm

1389
01:31:56,940 --> 01:31:57,660
a little scared.

1390
01:31:59,550 --> 01:32:04,680
That hard for them to be free.
Yep, that says that all right

1391
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:09,540
there what it what it Kanye say.
Free, man. Free man talk him.

1392
01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:15,720
Yep. Once you break out of that
victim mentality and say, You

1393
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,740
know what? I'm gonna do what I'm
going to do. wherever it lands

1394
01:32:19,740 --> 01:32:24,480
it lands. And you know, I'm I
said something on the very first

1395
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:31,560
podcast we did. When I said
Trump one. He let Black men nuts

1396
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,140
dropped. Oh, yeah. You laugh.

1397
01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:36,690
Yeah. Well, I laughed out of
understanding I think

1398
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,080
I know I know. I know. But what
I'm saying is that was that

1399
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,690
freedom is like hmm, like I
mean,

1400
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:45,029
here's a dude who's just going
up there and saying whatever

1401
01:32:45,029 --> 01:32:47,069
comes to his mind whatever.

1402
01:32:48,029 --> 01:32:56,219
Oh, a little freer because it
you know it it even Kanye said

1403
01:32:56,219 --> 01:32:58,169
that himself I don't keep
harping about it. But he's a

1404
01:32:58,169 --> 01:32:59,579
very interesting on,

1405
01:32:59,609 --> 01:33:02,609
you know, subjects was so
disappointing. I mean, I left

1406
01:33:02,609 --> 01:33:10,469
after when I was in Europe, but
I saw a few new shows. And, and

1407
01:33:10,499 --> 01:33:13,499
they all just look at no one's
really listening. They just look

1408
01:33:13,499 --> 01:33:17,189
at Kanye and go he's not I mean,
exactly what he said what

1409
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:20,219
happened, you know, he's nuts.
He's got mental issues. He's

1410
01:33:20,489 --> 01:33:24,599
clearly oh my god, now he's into
Jesus. Oh, no. Now this guy's

1411
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:28,379
off the rails. Instead of just
listening to what the guy's been

1412
01:33:28,379 --> 01:33:33,119
saying. You know, the propaganda
from all sides Fox the worst I

1413
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:37,199
might add. I'm looking at you
five. They're just sitting there

1414
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:41,519
like laughing like he's a nut
job where the man I mean, free

1415
01:33:41,519 --> 01:33:44,519
man talking is a very powerful
statement. You know? It was

1416
01:33:44,519 --> 01:33:47,999
powerful. Okay, I digressing. I
got time on my hands. Maybe

1417
01:33:47,999 --> 01:33:50,639
that's it. I am old. I got time
to listen to people.

1418
01:33:51,390 --> 01:33:54,120
But you wear skinny jeans.

1419
01:33:56,609 --> 01:33:57,659
wear skinny jeans.

1420
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:01,229
Yeah. So it means like, that's
what they took away from him. So

1421
01:34:01,229 --> 01:34:02,579
we understand the fear.

1422
01:34:02,609 --> 01:34:05,369
By the way, we see no, no one no
one no one understood that

1423
01:34:05,369 --> 01:34:08,909
either. Very few people. You got
to know the South Park and you

1424
01:34:08,909 --> 01:34:12,539
got you got a little bit of
cultural background. But okay,

1425
01:34:12,569 --> 01:34:13,439
yeah, exactly.

1426
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:19,320
So now we're seeing the loop. It
starts in wherever the media,

1427
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:23,580
whether it's a book, it's a
movie, it feeds down into the

1428
01:34:23,610 --> 01:34:29,100
pop culture, and then it becomes
part of the mindset. Um, so I

1429
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:33,450
just had this little clip final
clip from the Imani Perry

1430
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:36,780
interview. And it's just
hilarious. I want

1431
01:34:36,779 --> 01:34:42,809
to hear some of your beautiful
language okay, that okay. And

1432
01:34:42,809 --> 01:34:47,369
when you hear it in your voice,
okay, okay. I want you to go to

1433
01:34:47,369 --> 01:34:50,609
the bottom of 66 Yes, I am
asking you to do something

1434
01:34:50,609 --> 01:34:51,269
difficult.

1435
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:56,910
Oh, yes. Oh, on the bottom of 66
You were waiting for me to not

1436
01:34:56,910 --> 01:35:00,780
know what the hell that was all
about. The bottom of Hold on a

1437
01:35:00,780 --> 01:35:05,490
second. tricking me mow the
lawn. Let me just do it again.

1438
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,950
I'm not googling anything. I'm
just listening. I

1439
01:35:07,950 --> 01:35:10,560
want to hear some of your
beautiful language. Okay, is

1440
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:18,390
that okay? I want to hear it in
your voice. Okay. Okay. I want

1441
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:21,570
you to get to the bottom of 66
Yes, I am asking you to do

1442
01:35:21,570 --> 01:35:22,680
something difficult.

1443
01:35:22,919 --> 01:35:28,859
Oh yes. Okay, the only here's
the only sixes I know. Route 66

1444
01:35:28,889 --> 01:35:33,989
That's one you got three sixes
as Veals above the devil but she

1445
01:35:33,989 --> 01:35:38,789
said the bottom is 66 I have no
clue what that's about is

1446
01:35:38,789 --> 01:35:49,799
nothing is the page number.
Fucker I'm like coded messages.

1447
01:35:49,799 --> 01:35:52,259
What's going on? How come I
don't know this reference?

1448
01:35:53,009 --> 01:35:58,109
noseless the six racist There
you go. I'm racist.

1449
01:35:58,109 --> 01:36:00,839
Did you hear? Did you hear how
they were talking to each other?

1450
01:36:00,839 --> 01:36:04,379
I want you to do something in
your voice. Yeah.

1451
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:12,299
These are probably two career
man. I couldn't let that will go

1452
01:36:12,299 --> 01:36:15,089
past because he's like, What are
y'all talking about?

1453
01:36:15,390 --> 01:36:20,070
Oh, your voice you know yours
that that unique voice that is

1454
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:27,060
yours in a spot. But from now
on, this is our code mo whenever

1455
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:30,000
you and I say to each other
bottom is 66 Man All right.

1456
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:40,230
Gotcha. Gotcha. We know what's
going on do we like to

1457
01:36:40,230 --> 01:36:45,840
spiritually theists connecting
dots like where am I to stop

1458
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,930
you? Do you even know I was
gonna do that. Well, you

1459
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,840
know, I did I thought she was
gonna comment on

1460
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:56,219
I was but then I heard the
bottom of 66 like that shit.

1461
01:36:56,219 --> 01:36:58,319
That's some black shit. I don't
know, man. What's going on?

1462
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,489
Okay. All right. All

1463
01:37:02,489 --> 01:37:08,369
right. So with this all being
about the Obamas yeah, I've

1464
01:37:08,369 --> 01:37:13,409
never really discussed who he
was. Oh, what he was. So we have

1465
01:37:13,409 --> 01:37:16,769
Mr. Judge Joe Brown. Are you
familiar with Mr. Judge Joe

1466
01:37:16,769 --> 01:37:17,159
Brown?

1467
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:20,369
No, I know a lot of Joe browns
in history but not Mr. Judge.

1468
01:37:20,399 --> 01:37:20,939
Judge

1469
01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:24,630
Joe Brown was the black judge
from Texas that was all my the

1470
01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:28,020
Judge Judy type show. Okay, so I
figured you know tell it like

1471
01:37:28,020 --> 01:37:29,550
this. He was like yeah, it was

1472
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:31,530
brown. Okay, got it. Yeah,

1473
01:37:31,529 --> 01:37:38,549
right. Right. So he once you get
to a certain age, the truth you

1474
01:37:38,549 --> 01:37:40,589
just don't care about it. You're
just gonna say what you gotta

1475
01:37:40,589 --> 01:37:45,449
say hell yeah. So he breaks down
who Barry really is, as anybody

1476
01:37:45,450 --> 01:37:52,500
black ever gone and checked out
who it is. They went through

1477
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:58,500
school is Barry Soetoro, his
stepfather and adoptive father,

1478
01:37:58,830 --> 01:38:04,500
low low lol Soetoro. That is one
of the 20 richest men on the

1479
01:38:04,500 --> 01:38:09,990
planet Earth. Obama is
beneficiary of a trust fund.

1480
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:14,790
Along with his two half
siblings. He is probably the

1481
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:20,250
richest man to ever occupy the
White House. Lolo Soetoro was a

1482
01:38:20,250 --> 01:38:26,280
major and Indonesian army and a
contractor with the CIA. What

1483
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:30,090
daddy did was run death squads
for the Indonesian government.

1484
01:38:31,020 --> 01:38:34,290
He was an executive vice
president for Standard Oil and

1485
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:40,110
when he decided to set up his
own company in Indonesia, where

1486
01:38:40,290 --> 01:38:46,170
possibly the world's largest oil
reserves located I imagine he

1487
01:38:46,170 --> 01:38:50,490
used his position of having an
active death squad it is

1488
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,250
proposal to facilitate some of
his business deals. And now,

1489
01:38:56,460 --> 01:39:01,290
interestingly enough, there are
documented moments between

1490
01:39:01,290 --> 01:39:06,930
George Herbert Walker Bush, who
was in the CIA at the time and

1491
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:12,090
Lolo Soetoro surgeon arraign,
who mentioned they were frequent

1492
01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:20,190
golf partners. And Lolo Soetoro
used Goldman Sachs as its as his

1493
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:24,840
American for this year for
financial banking institutions.

1494
01:39:26,430 --> 01:39:31,710
Okay, so this is new. So this
Otero name and Indonesian all of

1495
01:39:31,710 --> 01:39:35,400
that is very familiar to me what
I never have heard and then

1496
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,550
while that was running, I was
consulting the book of

1497
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:43,380
knowledge. There's no mention of
this of this great wealth, of

1498
01:39:43,380 --> 01:39:47,040
course, that's been scrubbed.
The CIA connection we had long

1499
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:51,660
time ago. We've always known
that Obama was tied at the hip

1500
01:39:51,660 --> 01:39:56,910
to Brennan, the director of CIA,
but this that he's actually

1501
01:39:57,270 --> 01:40:04,230
probably want that he's a trust
fund baby. Yes, that is insane.

1502
01:40:05,039 --> 01:40:08,669
But he's this poor black kid
from the Southside of Chicago.

1503
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:11,640
Well, no, we know he's not. But
that's the that's just been

1504
01:40:11,670 --> 01:40:14,670
scrubbed from history. I mean,
we Yeah. And by the way,

1505
01:40:14,670 --> 01:40:18,660
bringing that up most racist
thing you can do? Of course it

1506
01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:19,350
is. Yeah.

1507
01:40:20,249 --> 01:40:23,519
That was a that was the
protective thing. No, no, no,

1508
01:40:23,519 --> 01:40:30,809
don't look at his background.
Um, so nobody ever looked at and

1509
01:40:30,809 --> 01:40:33,899
like said he didn't write a
reason why I bring this up is he

1510
01:40:33,899 --> 01:40:35,579
used the victimization.

1511
01:40:36,689 --> 01:40:39,179
Cloak total, totally, totally,

1512
01:40:39,569 --> 01:40:44,459
to blend in. Um, so what we're
gonna do is, I mean, from that

1513
01:40:44,459 --> 01:40:51,179
clip, we're gonna go down and
get into the American story of

1514
01:40:51,179 --> 01:40:52,799
Obama, on Netflix.

1515
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:57,390
You guys could do whatever you
want. Why did you decide to do

1516
01:40:57,390 --> 01:40:57,990
what you're doing

1517
01:40:58,020 --> 01:41:01,920
one way of looking at what we've
both been doing for the last 20

1518
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:03,660
years. Maybe most of our

1519
01:41:03,659 --> 01:41:14,219
careers once we left law was to
tell stories. You're good Mo. We

1520
01:41:14,219 --> 01:41:17,669
tell stories and we turn to tell
fables wicked on the mic and on

1521
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:18,629
the turntables.

1522
01:41:21,029 --> 01:41:23,669
So that's what they do.

1523
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:25,890
They tell stories tell stories,
stories.

1524
01:41:27,149 --> 01:41:30,299
You know, they get up there she
tell her story about white

1525
01:41:30,299 --> 01:41:36,029
guilt. Now we have to ask, what
was what was the reason? Because

1526
01:41:36,029 --> 01:41:41,999
he were set herself, you know,
um, wow, why would you bring up

1527
01:41:41,999 --> 01:41:45,779
white guilt? Jackson, part one.

1528
01:41:45,989 --> 01:41:49,139
This is the future. Yeah, we
were talking about this in the

1529
01:41:49,139 --> 01:41:50,189
car right over.

1530
01:41:50,219 --> 01:41:56,729
Yeah. This is been in, in, in
our family. And growing up. This

1531
01:41:56,729 --> 01:42:01,049
has been an underutilized Park,
for those of you who don't know,

1532
01:42:01,049 --> 01:42:07,829
Jackson Park is, is was for us.
And we lived maybe a mile from

1533
01:42:07,829 --> 01:42:13,649
it. And I tell you, the old
there was they have a golf

1534
01:42:13,649 --> 01:42:14,519
course there.

1535
01:42:15,689 --> 01:42:17,639
Which means you have to golf you
have to

1536
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,940
golf. I mean, you couldn't just
walk around on the golf course.

1537
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:24,270
But this is one of the parks
like the parks, we talked about

1538
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:28,830
that we lived near that people
just didn't congregate that

1539
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:35,100
there wasn't like an outdoor
access where you did stuff in

1540
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:35,820
this park

1541
01:42:35,849 --> 01:42:38,189
on a regular base on a regular
basis. It wasn't

1542
01:42:38,190 --> 01:42:41,430
that close. It was not a place
that was the closest to you.

1543
01:42:41,460 --> 01:42:45,150
It wasn't it was it was it was
the closest big big park, you

1544
01:42:45,150 --> 01:42:50,430
know, like Washington Park and
yeah, Douglas park park. Those

1545
01:42:50,430 --> 01:42:53,280
are big parks where people come
and they congregate and they

1546
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,990
have resources thrown in to do
stuff. This was one of those

1547
01:42:57,990 --> 01:43:01,830
parks that had a lot of real
estate, but there wasn't a whole

1548
01:43:01,830 --> 01:43:03,630
lot going on unless you golf.

1549
01:43:04,739 --> 01:43:07,409
Okay, in the context of Jackson
Park.

1550
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:10,620
Jackson bought too

1551
01:43:11,310 --> 01:43:14,370
well there and there's so
there's power in the selection

1552
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,790
of Jackson Park. You know, this,
you know, just like Barack and I

1553
01:43:17,790 --> 01:43:20,970
don't do things, incidentally. I
mean, there's a strategy, you

1554
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:24,330
know, Brock's presidential
library could have been anywhere

1555
01:43:24,330 --> 01:43:29,040
in the world. Because there's so
many people who feel like he is

1556
01:43:29,070 --> 01:43:33,690
their president, all over the
world. Right. So, you know, New

1557
01:43:33,690 --> 01:43:37,470
York wanted it. Hawaii wants it,
you know, because it's also an

1558
01:43:37,500 --> 01:43:41,790
economic engine, because it will
be a visited presidential

1559
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:44,670
library because it's going to be
alive. There's going to be it's

1560
01:43:44,670 --> 01:43:49,290
a first. So we had to think
where do we put this resource

1561
01:43:49,290 --> 01:43:53,010
because it will be a resource.
But what better place to put it

1562
01:43:53,010 --> 01:43:56,400
than in our backyard? You know,
Jackson Park is like that

1563
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,980
juxtaposition of everything in
our lives.

1564
01:43:59,250 --> 01:44:00,810
Except we never went to visit it

1565
01:44:04,890 --> 01:44:07,530
now do you get it? Yeah,

1566
01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:14,100
no, I got it. I got it's, it's
kind of disheartening when you

1567
01:44:14,130 --> 01:44:16,020
when you rip it open like that
Mo.

1568
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:22,200
White folks is saved to come on
back. Yep. To Jackson Park.

1569
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:26,490
We're going to build a library.
It's gonna be a nice community.

1570
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:31,980
Yeah, gentrification. Yep,
that's exactly what it is. The

1571
01:44:31,980 --> 01:44:35,550
whole set like I said that we
tell stories. She set this whole

1572
01:44:35,550 --> 01:44:42,780
thing up about white guilt and
white flight. And this pale,

1573
01:44:43,470 --> 01:44:46,230
there it is, and there is your
payoff.

1574
01:44:50,789 --> 01:44:53,009
sick man. Now

1575
01:44:54,539 --> 01:44:56,879
do you have other people in your
life where you can talk to this

1576
01:44:56,909 --> 01:44:59,939
to talk to about this? My aunt

1577
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:06,960
I mean, yeah, no, actually,
actually we we claim together.

1578
01:45:06,990 --> 01:45:14,490
It's like a unknown. It's like a
sixth sense. Uh huh. Oh, hey,

1579
01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:18,060
hey, once you draw is that was
that dance? Is that dance? You

1580
01:45:18,060 --> 01:45:18,840
got to feel it out.

1581
01:45:18,869 --> 01:45:21,449
You got to feel it out. Yeah.
And then once once you drop the

1582
01:45:21,449 --> 01:45:27,839
old Hey, bottom bottom is 66
then you're on Ah, gotcha. I

1583
01:45:27,839 --> 01:45:32,099
gotcha. Yes. Well, that's. Well,
I mean, that's no different, I

1584
01:45:32,099 --> 01:45:40,349
guess then. A lot of people who
support or voted for Trump. I

1585
01:45:40,349 --> 01:45:43,259
think there's a lot of the same
thing goes on a dance and

1586
01:45:43,259 --> 01:45:45,629
sussing around you know, it's
like with my neighbor, you know,

1587
01:45:45,629 --> 01:45:50,069
it's cuz, you know, agenda looks
at all kinds of stuff. We say

1588
01:45:50,069 --> 01:45:53,729
many things that are unpopular
for different groups. And the

1589
01:45:53,729 --> 01:45:56,219
first thing I'm trying to suss
out is hey, man, are you cool?

1590
01:45:57,269 --> 01:46:00,569
Are you like gonna be rabid? If
I even say anything positive

1591
01:46:00,569 --> 01:46:04,139
about the Trump? It's a dance.
So it's kind of like that, I

1592
01:46:04,139 --> 01:46:04,589
guess.

1593
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,240
And that's exactly why the No,
agenda meetups are so important.

1594
01:46:09,660 --> 01:46:12,930
are so important. Yeah. Because
you don't have to do that dance.

1595
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:17,160
Yeah, um, yeah, well, that's
exactly what it is like, is it

1596
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,550
cool? You know? And you throw
little feelers out there. It's

1597
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:29,550
like, so what about this? You
see people's reaction? Alright,

1598
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:36,990
man of relief, where you like,
oh, you you're traveling

1599
01:46:36,990 --> 01:46:37,260
brother.

1600
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:47,790
I got that one. I'm happy we can
laugh about it. But it's really

1601
01:46:47,790 --> 01:46:53,220
quite sad that you have now laid
out expertly. Once again, you

1602
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:57,600
have laid out. Yeah, everything
is the same. It's just, it's

1603
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,240
just now we have more algorithms
to amplify all the bullcrap. And

1604
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:07,170
of course, people, I always, I
look for the good and

1605
01:47:07,170 --> 01:47:11,400
everything. And I think that
deep down inside people know

1606
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:15,000
things are wrong. And I think
this is where this social media

1607
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,880
illness comes from, of people
yelling at each other, and just

1608
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:23,040
going, going nuts and just
completely off the rails. And

1609
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:26,940
really, at the core of all of it
is this unpublished memo about

1610
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:31,170
the redefinition of racism, if
only I had known. If only I

1611
01:47:31,170 --> 01:47:34,830
could find the approved version,
it would be so much better for

1612
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:36,990
us. And now I know why
everyone's called a racist

1613
01:47:36,990 --> 01:47:40,950
because it means something else.
And this whole thing is, and

1614
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:44,220
then yeah, it totally feeds into
the victimization. Which you my

1615
01:47:44,220 --> 01:47:50,310
friend, you shows 00
victimization. You've never

1616
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:51,120
shown any of that

1617
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,570
to me. I refuse to be not free
course.

1618
01:47:54,599 --> 01:47:57,809
Of course you are. You are free
man podcasts and what's going on

1619
01:47:57,809 --> 01:47:58,019
here?

1620
01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:04,620
Free man by free man podcast,
and hopefully our podcast threes

1621
01:48:04,770 --> 01:48:08,040
to a handful of people each
episode. That's that's the

1622
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:09,600
that's the goal here and let us

1623
01:48:09,599 --> 01:48:12,869
know. Yeah, we'd love to hear
from you want to know, I mean,

1624
01:48:12,869 --> 01:48:16,649
people email this tweets and
stuff. And, and I see I see the

1625
01:48:16,649 --> 01:48:19,979
responses. I enjoy all of it.
And remember what I said at the

1626
01:48:19,979 --> 01:48:23,849
beginning, is there's there's,
there's value in this for me, I

1627
01:48:23,849 --> 01:48:27,899
sit here and I enjoy every
single show. From beginning to

1628
01:48:27,899 --> 01:48:32,549
end. It's just it's fantastic to
do this. And I'm pretty sure Moe

1629
01:48:32,549 --> 01:48:36,539
enjoys it too. And, you know,
we'd love to see your

1630
01:48:36,539 --> 01:48:40,799
appreciation for that. Whatever
value this had to you. Either go

1631
01:48:40,799 --> 01:48:45,689
out and be a free man talking or
support us or both even better.

1632
01:48:46,109 --> 01:48:52,469
Mo fund me.com mo e fund me.com.
Mo, thank you so much. Once

1633
01:48:52,469 --> 01:48:56,399
again, a fabulous, fabulous
piece of art we have put here

1634
01:48:56,399 --> 01:48:58,499
this should be in the
Smithsonian. This particular

1635
01:48:58,499 --> 01:49:01,109
episode is Smithsonian worthy I
tell you,

1636
01:49:01,739 --> 01:49:06,239
as I always say, pay attention
to everything and the truth will

1637
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:07,799
reveal itself. And we'll

1638
01:49:07,799 --> 01:49:11,219
be back next week with another
edition of moe facts with Adam

1639
01:49:11,219 --> 01:49:14,189
curry. Thank you so much for
listening. Thank you for your

1640
01:49:14,189 --> 01:49:17,729
time and your attention. We
enjoy hope you did do until next

1641
01:49:17,729 --> 01:50:00,119
time. Bye bye. of love in you
you I woke up this morning The

1642
01:50:00,269 --> 01:50:49,619
lady beside me oh I love you
babe love you so much new baby

1643
01:50:52,649 --> 01:51:08,279
when I was walking on the
streets you pass Oh my heart

1644
01:51:08,279 --> 01:51:51,959
skips a beat Good luck loving
your home way you know when I

1645
01:51:51,959 --> 01:52:01,379
tell you I love you know where
you got deep down in my soul

1646
01:52:02,819 --> 01:52:21,329
good touch my heart love you