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Yo mo facts with Adam curry for
November 18 2019. This is

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episode number 15. How you
doing? Mo?

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I am doing well, sir, how are
you doing?

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Doing very well got a lot of
great comments on the previous

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episode I was actually that was
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far. So we hit a nerve
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I was definitely good.

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Nice and mellow music he got
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of I noticed YouTube blocked the
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Yeah, there'll be some potholes
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the end. Um, we gave credit. I
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edit it. Um, but there's always
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Right. That's your and your and
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And that's the great thing about
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apps. Yes. So all right. I kind
of know a little bit about the

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topic for today, because we did
discuss it briefly and I sent

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you a clip or two that you
needed. So let's see what we've

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got in store today.

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Yes, so there was a New York
Times article by Miss Farah

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Stockman. And let's just get
right into it.

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Before Well, before we get to
the article, um, when I read the

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article, I knew what it was when
I started reading it.

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Yeah. What was the title of this
article? What was it?

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The title of the article? Don't
actually stop me. I actually, if

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you just want to play number
four,

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okay, we'll get to it right away

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her article titled, we're self
interested, the growing identity

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debate in black America. Why a
movement that claims to support

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the American descendants of
slavery is being promoted by

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conservatives and attacked on
the left.

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Right. That's a mouthful.

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Yeah. And there was, yeah, there
was, I saw some tweets going

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back and forth, I saw Antonio
more getting upset about it, or

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at least he had something to say
maybe upset is the wrong term.

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I'm very, very curious. And

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it worked perfectly as designed.
And as I said, Before, I knew

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exactly what it was when I read
it. And honestly, as as I always

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do with these shows, I give a
lot of thought if I want to

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cover a topic at night. And I
was on the fence about this one,

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because covering it in the wrong
way contribute to what the

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purpose of this article was
about. And this purpose of this

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article was to cause dissension
and be a tool of a similar

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system, co COINTELPRO. And we'll
get to that definition that

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later. But there's, first of
all, we need to go back and

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define racism and white
supremacy to do that.

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Okay, is this a quiz? Or do I do
I just know.

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Actually, Mr. Neely Fuller, we
use his definition on a previous

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show. So we'll go there.

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Well, there's we are on our
system of white supremacy.

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That's the most powerful
government that the world has

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ever seen. And that's the title
of it. By the way, it doesn't go

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by any other title, even though
we sometimes call it by other

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titles. But the accurate title
for the government that we are

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under is in capital letters. The
system of white supremacy

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worldwide is just one world
government. And that's the only

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government in town, the only
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really counts. That is worthy of
having a title of government.

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Right? And this goes back a
couple shows and we listen to

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this the first time and Next.
Yeah, that's actually a very

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good episode. People should
check that out. We went in

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pretty deep with that.

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Yeah. So the reason why I did
this is because Mr. Neely

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Fuller, is going to drop some
more wisdom on us to explain why

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blacks hate on blacks

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slave ship, which is what the
whole world is. See, if I'm the

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captain of the ship, I will come
and look down in the hash. And

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honestly, it's just about
beating. But we don't have

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enough food because I'm a Sikh,
too, it is not enough. We got a

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bad boy. So I'm going through
just enough food down here for

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toilet. I decided to do it. As I
do it all, where we are joined

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Avenue where you find black
people, that's how they do it.

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They hand out the goodness, but
it ain't enough. And what's

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gonna happen when you throw
another food 20 People in the

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hole of a ship where it's 40
people, you got to bite them,

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right? That's why black people
can't stand each other. Over a

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period of years, we spent all
that time fighting each other.

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But whatever thrown down at
hatch, Mass Ave on the day is

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just cracking inside.

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Look at. Right this

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this idea, of course works with
any group of people. Except it's

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been systemic with black
Americans.

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Yes. And as we see on any
continent, across the world,

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they will have just enough
resources to make the people

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native to that continent, fight
over the resources that they

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throw out. Right. So this is
exactly what this article was.

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It was enough attention thrown
out divided to cause a fissure

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in the list. There's some terms
here we need to clarify. You

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have a Das. Right. You have FBA,
which is finance, foundational

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black Americans. And do you have
the granddaddy of them all? Is

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the NBA native black Americans?
No. Wow, I

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hit. I knew about SBA because
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but NBA was new to me. Okay.

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They're the reason why NBA is
not popular for for the obvious

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reason, it couldn't be
confusing. Well, yeah. And it

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couldn't be a hashtag

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or Right, right. Oh,

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what's the word I'm looking for?
Um, well, it's it. Obviously,

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it shares its initials with the
National Basketball Association.

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So it's just not gonna work in
trademark. trademark. Sure.

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Sure. Sure.

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Yeah. So if you do hashtag NBA,
you got some social media is,

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it's gonna say it's going to be
swallowed whole by the actual

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National Basketball Association.
So with that said, if we can

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hear the headline of this
article one more time because

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when I read the headline, I
said, Oh, okay.

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What's going on? Titled, we're
self interested, the growing

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identity debate in black
America. Why a movement that

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claims to support the American
descendants of slavery is being

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promoted by conservatives and
attacked on the left. Okay.

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Now, this is how you and I met
then you know, different you

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helped me get an understanding
of a DA so American descendants

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of slavery. So I was obviously
interested in the topic and I

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kind of figured I think I
figured out the same thing you

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did is what was going on with
this.

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So one is why conservatives like
it. Why liberals don't like it

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written from our liberal
newspaper, targeting liberal

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audiences. Left audience left
wing audience the word the worst

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use claims some like what was
going on with his headline just

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off the gate and that was like a
kind of erode and when I first

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saw it, but when you dive into
the first paragraph, you get a

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hint of this. The first
paragraph alone was pitting

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eight us against immigrants.
Here's the first paragraph

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in Hollywood. Harriet Tubman is
played in a new movie by a black

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British woman, much to the
annoyance of some black

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Americans on the United States
Census, an ultra wealthy

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Nigerian immigrant and a
struggling African American

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woman from the south are
expected to check the same box

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when many American universities
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Black students who were born in
the Bronx and the Bahamas are

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counted as the same ame a
spirited debate is playing out

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in black communities across
America over the degree to which

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identity ought to be defined by
America by African heritage, or

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whether ancestral links to
slavery, or what should count

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most of all. Tensions between
black Americans who descended

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from slavery and black
immigrants from Africa and the

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Caribbean are not new, but a
group of online agitators is

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trying to turn those
disagreements into a political

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movement.

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Hmm. Okay. So here, right off
the bat. Right, he leaves him

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with the Harriet Tubman movie,
which was a point of contention

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between a big controversy, big
controversy between native

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blacks and non native blacks.
Me. So one, we've seen a uptick,

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a major uptick and non native
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roles. Representing native
blacks. And I want to use that

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term native blacks from now on
because of the whole divide

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between FBA and AWS, the time
I'm going to use and that's it,

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that was the original term from
the very beginning to identify

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black, black America. So that's
what I'm gonna use for now just

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so people don't get confused.

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All right, so you're using the
the NBA, using the NBA acronym.

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Specifically, because of the
confusion between a DOS and FBA

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as riled up by the New York
Times, is that when I'm

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understanding that is very
correct. And is this something

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that does this mean that you no
longer stand behind the A das

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brand? Or is it just for
purposes of this show?

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Well, that's the thing a Das is
not a brand. A Das is a lineage

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and that I think if you
everybody goes back and listen

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to my old shows, and whenever I
identify the A Das, I say I am

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not of a Das, the group. I am a
Das. By Lainey, she got it. And

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there's a big difference there.
And it's gonna be a huge part of

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this story, how this story
caused the group and the lineage

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to go off the rails and created
a bunch of tension between just

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put it into tension intergroup
tension, right so so the article

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like said article ra starts
pitting black immigrants against

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Native blacks or a das however
you want to say it. And that

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was, you know, using this using
this Harriet Tubman thing and

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like you say even you knew about
it, it crossed over the

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timeline.

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Yeah. Well, what's so
interesting, what's so

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interesting about it is,
whenever a non trans person is

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even cast in a role portraying a
trans person is a Twitter blows

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up with outrage over oh my god,
why can't we use an actual trans

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person? And, you know, there's
all kinds of outrage about that

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across the board. But then when
it comes to the Harriet Tubman

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movie, and there was a lot of
shoulder shrugging, going on was

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my feeling.

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And it's been done like that,
like say, a lot of the movies

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are Jordan, Peele makes these
cast. Not NET Native blacks in

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the role of playing native
blacks. I mean, this is a common

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occurrence. And then let's just
make a side note here. The

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Harriet Tubman movie was
trashed.

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I haven't seen it yet. So I
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either. I haven't either. But
reason why I say that is. I knew

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it was gonna be trash, because
one is trauma based.

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Entertainment. Gotcha. Two, two.
From the reviews I read, and

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I've read a whole host, they
made the black male, the enemy.

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So it was multifaceted messaging
in this particular movie, which

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is kind of the point, right? We
want to activate black women and

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shun the men. I've learned mo I
pay attention.

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All of this is going up to 2020.
This are going up to 2020. And

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don't let it be lost on you.
That the very week this article

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dropped. Who said they were
running for president?

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Oh, yes. Deval Yeah. Deval
Patrick.

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Yeah. Deval Patrick. Yes. That
timing is not Not, not

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coincidental. Interesting. go
back and listen to Obama saying

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all hashtags is not activism.
Right? Hello. It was a setup. I

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believe so. Um, so just to give
you an idea of the immigrant

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versus native black paid off,
you know what, I'm not going to

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self censor because I'm not
gonna let a group hijack my

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lineage. Now, they did have to
give credit to Yvette. And tone

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talks because they did coined a
term and since May you have been

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talking? I've always gave him
that credit because I was like,

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it was ingenious. It was an
ingenious hashtag. It wasn't a

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genius. Acronym because it rolls
right off the tongue from just

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branding. Yes. standpoint
similar to Maga. I mean, it's

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genius. And I don't want to link
those two together, but just

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from the Mac, it rolls off your
tongue. Does. It's like high def

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DVD versus blu ray. Blu ray
rolls brought out desert and I

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think that's part of the reason
why they won the tech war

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between the two two technologies
but demand is just my personal

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opinion. But just to give you
some context of the shade quote

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unquote shade that black
immigrants have been throwing at

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us we have larger mall

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ever since this whole I was
hearing about this whole Atos.

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From the minute I heard about
it, it was like a division.

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Yeah. amongst black people.
Yeah, it was a division. It

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seemed like some sort of, well,
you're not American enough. Like

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what's your lineage like? Like,
we had a conversation about

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reparations and noticed a while
ago on a God cast and adults

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came up. And you know, you had
some people but I don't think

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large balls, Atos. Anyway. So,
you know, Hey,

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knock. Are you are you at us?

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Here's the thing. On my father's
side, no. Okay. We trace back to

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Guyana. Okay.

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You know, a guy is not a DOS
when he pronounces an OD dos. So

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you know, he's, he's already not
in the loop as far as I'm

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concerned.

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Right. And as you heard him say,
no, not on my not on my father's

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side. I'm not a Das. Right. And
here's the thing, if you're not

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a Das, you can have an opinion
on it. I mean, everybody's

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having a pain or anything, but
you can't have any say so. But

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if he's eight hours on his mom's
side that counts, does it not?

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Well, that's to be determined.
Because on the next clip, he

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just to give you I'm saying to
foreshadow, he says, he can't

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trace his mom's side. Okay, so
he doesn't know. So from his

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standpoint, he's personally a
das on his mom's side, and not a

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Dawson his father's side. But
they these users were always

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divisive is divisive? Yes.
That's the whole point of and a

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on DOS, because in the show that
you did prior to me contacting

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you, you use the term dos.

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Right. And I'd probably pick
that up somewhere, if it's

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something I was reading, right.

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There was no problem with that.
But that was, like, part of the

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catalyst for me to write you and
say that A is important. A

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great, no, I was gonna say it's,

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it's very simple. We have lots
of black immigrants, brown

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immigrants, reddish brown and
dark black, all kinds of

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immigrants, who, in America, in
general are seen as black. But

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that's not the same as Americans
who came here who descended from

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from slavery that you got to
different credentials.

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And apart the whole movement, is
based off trying to be repaid

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for services rendered. I'm gonna
use the original language I

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always use from America. Now, if
you're from Jamaica, then you go

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to the country that held
Jamaica, you see, I'm saying, if

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you're from Haiti, you go to
France, right. And you hold

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France responsible. And the
thing is, is with a Das, not the

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not a das group, but the people.
If we were successful from

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getting reparations from
America, don't you think we

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would share that with other
groups of people? This is the

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blueprint, you know, this is
what we did. But and I want to

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make this very clear before we
move on any further. black

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immigrants have a large portion
of black immigrants have been

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very supportive of the A das
movement. We've called them

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allies, you weave We discussed
that before. Yeah. So it's only

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a certain group of people that,
um, that have not been

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supportive. And I have my
theories or why because if a Das

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is made whole through
reparations, then that ruins

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their claim of using
victimization mentality. For

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getting gain, yes. You see, you
get what when you see what's

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happening here, they're masking
themselves in that victimization

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mentality to get things like
affirmative action and, you

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know, get to get ahead, but then
once they Well, the benefits

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is even more cynical than that
the powers that be in

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government. They're the ones
lumping Kamala Harris is a good

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example. They're the ones
lumping it all together and

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saying, Why did you if you've
got a black skin color, it's

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your lucky day. But all under
the guise of reparations. I

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think she's used the terms
explicitly. But it's, that's you

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know, that you're talking about
different kinds of different

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groups of people with different
backgrounds and ergo,

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particularly when it comes to
slavery, different possible.

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remuneration. Yes. So let's get
into the second Lord Lord your

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market.

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Caribbean, South America. Yes.
Ghana's Caribbean. It's in South

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America, but it's considered
Caribbean in a way got it. This

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one.

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Why don't the American the West
Indian Day parade I think pretty

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sure I see good

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bad flags flying around

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America, right? I'm just like,
you might see Honduras or

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something like all but that's
all in South America. So anyway,

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um, now my mother is adopted, so
I don't know her. I still got to

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do some research on on, you know
what I mean? I have discovered

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one side of her father now I
gotta trace where his family's

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from, but I did the trace on my
father's side. So on that side,

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no, I'm not adults. Possible.
I'm on my mother's side. I am.

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But see. Again, that's some
bullshit. Right? So current

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Atos. You shut the fuck up. Or I
might be hatin on it. Because,

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well, I ain't gonna get nothing.
Right. You know, if we did get

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reparations, I'm not gonna get
nothing. So, you know, why would

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I care? Something?

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Wow, that that shows the whole
problem right there.

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Yeah. And you know what's funny
at the beginning of the clip,

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the interviewer who was Vlad
from Vlad TV, he says, Are you

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referring to? Um, I think

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he says Jamaica, South America
at a certain point. He's like,

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No, I said, got guy who's got
Guyana, Guyana. So he said, Yes.

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So he said, No, no, no, that's
not Caribbean. That's South

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American. Oh, so you can make it
just determined stuff. Right?

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No, not even that. But you can
make? No, correct. People will

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say no, I'm not part of that
group. I'm part of this group.

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Right. But if we do it, it's a
problem. Yeah,

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quite hypocritical. And if
you're going to have an opinion

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on a DDoS, you might want to do
the work on your mom's side. And

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not just a I got to do that one
day.

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But yeah, so I mean, it's just
to get you to attitude issues.

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Um, you know, like I said, a
very large group of people have

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been supportive, you can you can
verify this. They have been

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allies, because they understand
what's at stake here. And we're

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gonna say, we're not asking for
a handout, we made that clear,

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I've made that clear on previous
shows, is for services rendered.

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And for non Athos people for non
native black people. The ones

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that don't feel like it's
benefiting from them, there is

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have been a segment that have
been very negative towards you.

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And we have seen that, you know,
play itself out. So let's just

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continue on with a das versus
immigrants.

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It goes on to say they want
colleges, employers, and the

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federal government to prioritize
black Americans whose ancestors

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toiled in bondage. And they
argue that affirmative action

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policies originally designed to
help the descendants of slavery

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in America have largely been
used to benefit other groups,

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including immigrants from Africa
and the Caribbean.

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Right? This is this is the
genesis of this show. Exactly.

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That's the argument. Okay.

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So what's the problem?

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was the way he was reading Well,
the way he was reading it,

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probably with the right tone for
the New York Times like oh, look

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what they're doing. Oh, what do
they think they are asking to

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determining who they are in
background?

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Yes. And then we You see, the,
the percentage of academic that

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is not native black or Athos, do
you understand how these thought

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group these three groups and
think tanks will be against aid

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us? Sure, yeah. Oh, it's like,
how dare you cut off, you know,

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you know, this supply here.
We're coming in we're masking.

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Yeah, we're masking ourselves
is, you know, it's black, quote

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unquote, black and we didn't
have, let's be clear, we didn't

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have this problem 50 years ago,
because when you said black 50

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years ago, everybody knew meant
black, right? It meant a loss,

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it meant native black. But as
you have is increase, which is

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probably close to 8020 Split now
between eight Austin and 80%,

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and not eight off being 20 push
that and it's growing every,

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every year. Now, when you say
black, it means something

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totally different. And they like
said groups like things like

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affirmative action. And that's
what they're really pissed off

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about is like, you know, how
dare you, you know, put a, you

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know, a barrier between us and
the goodies that we get by by

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playing the role of a victim?

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What was the moment and we may
have covered this in a previous

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show? What was the moment when
that really changed when

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specifically affirmative action
start to be used, or offered, I

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should say to non Adolph groups.

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I'm gonna say in the 1960s 19
state, action was broken from

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the very beginning because it
opened itself up to minorities,

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right? So yes, already coming.
It could mean really anything.

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And I use the analogy that we
kicked the door open and they

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held open for everybody else.
Why they why they went in and

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now that we're saying Now we
don't want to hold the door no

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more. Now everybody got their
panties in a bunch. So right

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because

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people don't even think about
the the genesis of affirmative

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action because it was broken
from the get go. So it's it we

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got a lot of undoing to do, I
guess.

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Yes. So I'm just so we're gonna
get into a das versus emigrants

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versus Tyreek

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now the next paragraph says, the
film producer Tariq Nasheed is

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among the outspoken defenders of
the idea that the American

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descendants of slavery should
have their own ethnic identity.

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Quote, every other group, when
they get here goes out of their

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way to say I'm Jamaican, I'm
Nigerian. I'm from Somalia, he

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said, but when we decided to
say, Okay, we are a distinct

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ethnic group, people look at
that as a negative. This year

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responding to requests for,
quote, more detailed

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disaggregated data from our
diverse American experience, the

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Census Bureau announced that
African Americans will be able

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to list their origins on census
forms for the first time,

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instead of simply checking black

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Ah, me. Meanwhile, everyone was
arguing about gender, whatever,

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whatever we would argue, but the
important questions are in there

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now.

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Yes. So I'll be able to list
black origin American. So if

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they want to claim their origin,
then you have a clear

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identifier, right. So if we go
back and start recalculating how

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we do affirmative action, we say
we'll and we had this

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conversation before, but I don't
think a firm actually done the

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right way. Because one, it
lowers the standards. I don't

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agree with that. But I think it
should, should, I mean, if

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you're going to say want to have
in the current way set up, if

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you're going to say we're going
to have X amount of spots set

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aside for native blacks, then
that cuts them out the deal,

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right, if you want to mark where
you correctly from, and this is

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where this is where the real rub
comes in, but let's not ignore

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something here. In this last
clip, they they mentioned Tyreke

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nasheed first Tyreek now she is
not one of the original creators

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of Athos right? And when I read
this I said that's going to be a

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problem. And that was very that
was done from my standpoint

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strategically now this is like

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this isn't one of those examples
where like people say Ricky

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Gervais is the pod father and
not Adam curry is not possible.

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Exactly exactly.

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Can I tell you that David never
felt good to me so

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we you can you can identify with
it you know look great it up all

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podcast and you know, and then
they have you listed way down

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the article is no, just just a
guy you know? Yeah. Oh, well,

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I guess my point is, it's also
because you say, Well, it seems

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by design could be. But I'm just
taking the other side saying I

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think is just dumb idiots. The
the journalists are not great

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all the time. So it could also
just be Oh, this guy seems to be

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the mouthpiece right now put him
at the top. That's my point.

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That's the problem. Gotcha. That
is the exact problem. You're

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working close with, I mean, for
you to use the hashtag Athos.

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Right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you
list the cuz? Here's the thing.

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I'm looking at the structure of
the article right now. So they

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mentioned how Reek, they
mentioned his quote. And then

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the very next paragraph is where
they mentioned the two founders

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of Athos, gotcha. That seemed
very fishy to me. While I want

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you to switch it around and it's
your article doesn't lose any

440
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:10,650
any meaning. But if we're set
out to what Neely Fuller said,

441
00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:15,390
So food alpha 21. You got 40
people down there? Here it is.

442
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,320
Exactly. Here it is, though the
state down and Washington

443
00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:26,610
Washington, bra for it. And I
knew when I read this article

444
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:29,790
and the order of that I was like
why did just not being intimate

445
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:34,440
with the with the whole
situation. I'm like, Why did I

446
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,060
mention him first? And but he
has been he has the larger

447
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:45,930
platform. He has been supportive
of a Das, the hashtag. So people

448
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:48,150
identify him with the group.

449
00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:54,030
And the writer Farah Stockman
who wrote this article, what do

450
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:55,650
we know about Farah Stockman?

451
00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:58,620
Well, I'm glad you asked that,
because that's a very

452
00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:05,100
interesting thing. Once she's
racially ambiguous what that

453
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,040
means when you look at her you
she could be Latino, she could

454
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,330
be mixed. She could be whatever,
um, what I mean by that is it's

455
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:16,650
not clearly it's not clearly
identified. Right. And I

456
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,610
couldn't find exactly where she
identified as anything. But what

457
00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:24,510
I'm glad you asked that
question. Um, one thing I did

458
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:29,640
identify with a, she did a lot
of teaching abroad in Kenya.

459
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:35,610
Hmm. Which goes maybe leans
towards why she's being so

460
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:41,640
supportive of the non native
black struggle against Athos.

461
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:43,290
Right? It's just a thought,
yeah, she

462
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:49,770
was in Kenya from 97 to 2000.
Yes. And she served as a school

463
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:53,100
teacher in Kenya for two years.
And then she started, oh, and

464
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,070
then she set up a non
governmental organization. Okay,

465
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:58,380
that's something I should look
into. And that's when she

466
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:02,160
started. It's always and that's
when she started writing for the

467
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560
New York Times. And I
interesting, I see that.

468
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:08,010
There was another article,

469
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:12,300
deciphering eight awesome new
social movement or online

470
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:16,920
trolls, which came out in
November 13. Right after this

471
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,560
one, gotcha. Okay. Just a data
points. All right. All right.

472
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:19,860
Yeah.

473
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:22,829
So just that just a little
background, but that to say that

474
00:33:22,829 --> 00:33:30,569
order of cool was mentioned
first. It seems petty. But as

475
00:33:30,569 --> 00:33:34,139
you say, it rubs you the wrong
way. When another person is

476
00:33:34,139 --> 00:33:38,969
mentioned. As the founder of
podcasting, you know, or the pod

477
00:33:38,969 --> 00:33:41,249
father or whatever you say,
however, you want to identify

478
00:33:41,249 --> 00:33:42,599
yourself, I don't want to
identify you.

479
00:33:43,650 --> 00:33:46,740
Thanks. misgendered. Me, bro.
Yeah, I

480
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:54,030
don't want to miss. So I'm now
so now we're getting to the good

481
00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:57,000
part. insurgent.

482
00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,470
The article goes on to say the
goal of ADOS is two founders.

483
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:05,760
Antonio Moore, a Los Angeles
defense attorney, and Yvette

484
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,130
Cornell, a former aide to
Democratic lawmakers in

485
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:11,100
Washington is the hardest
frustrations among black

486
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:15,030
Americans by seizing on the
nation's shifting demographics,

487
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,570
embracing their role as
insurgents, Mr. More and Miss

488
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:22,740
Cornell held their first
national conference in October

489
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:26,040
and have made reparations for
the brutal system of slavery

490
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,520
upon which the United States was
built a key tenant of their

491
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,140
platform. Wow,

492
00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:35,790
insurgents. What an interesting
choice of term is because

493
00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:39,780
insurgent almost to me, you
know, an insurgent is like a

494
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:40,740
terrorist.

495
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,040
Yeah, with the mass that's the
you know, when you hear that

496
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,680
word, you think roadside bombs.
Yes. I mean, that's just the

497
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,170
mental picture that you get when
you hear surgeons and then when

498
00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:08,040
you go to the previous pair Grab
it says what it say. They're

499
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,650
trying to harness the
frustration among black

500
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,530
Americans. And then you go down
to the next paragraph and you

501
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:14,580
say insurgent.

502
00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:18,480
Yeah. So insert not. And in
fact, I just took a look, this

503
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,250
is what we heard for years in
Iraq. If there was an IDE, a

504
00:35:23,250 --> 00:35:29,610
roadside bomb, any type any type
of attack against the Allied

505
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:32,850
troops there, it always was
written in the news as

506
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:36,630
insurgents detonated a bomb
insurgents, its insurgents,

507
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:40,290
insurgents insurgent. So it's
kind of that's the connotation

508
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:43,500
that's in the New York Times
would use that word in that

509
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,330
context. So that's interesting.
Yes.

510
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,280
So for the people out there that
will love a formal definition of

511
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,200
insurgency. We have that for
you.

512
00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:56,130
Insurgency as a rebellion
against a constituted authority

513
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:59,400
when those taking part in the
rebellion are not recognized as

514
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,360
belligerence. It is the
organized use of subversion and

515
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200
violence to seize, nullify or
challenge political control of a

516
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,850
region. As such, it is primarily
a political struggle in which

517
00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:14,820
both sides use armed force to
create space for their

518
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:18,000
political, economic and
influence activities to be

519
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,600
effective.

520
00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:27,210
Wow. Man, that's yeah. So using
that term in this context is is

521
00:36:27,269 --> 00:36:34,829
off. Now that go let's go back
to that previous ah, two

522
00:36:34,829 --> 00:36:42,239
paragraphs says only what the
actual paragraph it says

523
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,739
embracing their roles as
insurgent. Mr. More I missed the

524
00:36:46,739 --> 00:36:52,019
current Mrs. Karnail. Hilldale
first national conference. So

525
00:36:52,019 --> 00:36:56,009
your mental image is a bunch of
black insurgents. Yeah, getting

526
00:36:56,009 --> 00:36:58,979
together holding us and holding
the conference like the Panthers

527
00:36:58,979 --> 00:37:08,429
man. Yeah. And this Imagine if
now see that this is why I say

528
00:37:08,429 --> 00:37:14,699
that people piss on native black
people. I imagine if she used

529
00:37:14,699 --> 00:37:18,059
this language, speaking on care.

530
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:23,730
Oh, you mean the Council of
American Islamic Relations? Yes.

531
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Oh, yeah. Be a huge problem.

532
00:37:26,009 --> 00:37:29,909
She be fired? Yeah. Oh, yes.
Yes.

533
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:31,230
Yeah, absolutely.

534
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:34,290
You see what I'm saying? I mean,
like now it's like, hey,

535
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:40,230
well, it only occurs once in the
article, but it literally says

536
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:43,530
embracing their role as
insurgents. And that's a very

537
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:46,950
liberal, Deaf definition.

538
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,750
She does she does this with
definition code. So quote,

539
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:55,740
unquote, definition of the word.
Well, we all know, words change.

540
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,460
I mean,

541
00:37:56,669 --> 00:38:00,269
well, okay. Sorry, I didn't get
them didn't get the memo,

542
00:38:00,269 --> 00:38:04,079
because you can still look it up
on. On any dictionary online. It

543
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,319
says a rebel or root
revolutionary attack by armed

544
00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:12,179
insurgents as an example. Yeah.
And violence is almost always a

545
00:38:12,179 --> 00:38:13,469
part of insurgency.

546
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,340
Yes. So then you follow that up
with paid off being like Trump,

547
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:21,540
their movements

548
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:24,960
has also become a lightning rod
for criticism on the left. It

549
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,490
skepticism of immigration
sometimes strikes a tone similar

550
00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:33,150
to that of President Trump. Now,
once again, to see make that

551
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:37,950
statement as an opinion. You
see, just praise that sentence

552
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:42,900
as an opinion, is skepticism of
immigration sometimes strikes a

553
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,010
tone similar to that of
President Trump and the group

554
00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:52,950
has fiercely attack the
Democratic Party, urging black

555
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:56,670
voters to abstain from voting
for the next Democratic

556
00:38:56,670 --> 00:39:00,090
presidential nominee unless he
or she produces a specific

557
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,380
economic plan for the nation's
ADOS population. such tactics

558
00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:08,850
have led some to accuse the
group of sowing division among

559
00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:13,230
African Americans and engaging
in a form of voter suppression,

560
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,250
not unlike the voter purges and
gerrymandering efforts

561
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:18,720
pushed by some Republicans.

562
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,530
You are a bastard mo I can't
believe what you're doing.

563
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:25,410
You're trying to subvert the
Democratic Party. You're

564
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:26,310
threatening them?

565
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:32,340
Well, it's a lot is and I hate
this word, but it's a lot to

566
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:38,460
unpack there. Mr. Curry has
their own. Let's see. So you

567
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:44,460
said we were insurgent, a
terrorist. Then you move from

568
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:51,240
there to being like Trump, which
we all know, Trump supporters

569
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,090
are, like terrorist and violent.

570
00:39:54,569 --> 00:39:57,929
Well, interestingly enough,
they're also white supremacists.

571
00:39:57,929 --> 00:40:04,409
So welcome to the party. Now
Yeah. And I like we own the

572
00:40:04,409 --> 00:40:08,459
group fiercely attacks the
Democratic Party, urging black

573
00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:11,279
voters to abstain from voting,
which is true, but I don't know

574
00:40:11,279 --> 00:40:13,079
about the fiercely attacking
bit.

575
00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:18,810
And it says is skepticism of
immigration. Here's the thing. A

576
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:23,070
Das has been against a legal
immigration and see they do this

577
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:30,450
make all the time all the time.
Yeah. No problem with illegal

578
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:33,090
immigrants. You got here you did
your paperwork, right. You came

579
00:40:33,090 --> 00:40:35,940
here, you know, you went through
the proper channels. The problem

580
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:41,220
is a legal immigration directly
undercuts and becomes

581
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:45,780
competition with poor blacks and
America and the West a problem

582
00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:47,370
and the way this is written.

583
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,830
You could interpret it multiple
ways, which is I think it's a

584
00:40:52,830 --> 00:40:56,970
trick that a writer at The Times
would do to I'll read the line

585
00:40:56,970 --> 00:41:00,480
again, it's skepticism of
immigration. Now, you can

586
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,950
interpret that as all kinds of
stuff. It could also be the

587
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:07,770
skepticism of immigration,
because there's so much illegal

588
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:10,680
immigration, but it doesn't say
that it's skepticism of

589
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,190
immigration sometimes strikes a
tone similar to that of

590
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:20,280
President Trump, which, in
essence, is probably true,

591
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:23,790
because Trump talks about
illegal immigration. It's just

592
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:26,940
it's not specifically laid out
in the article. So it's

593
00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:28,110
chickenshit. Really?

594
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,940
Yeah. So then moving on down
says argued black voters to

595
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:38,040
abstain from voting for the next
Democratic presidential nominee,

596
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,830
which I have been a big
supporter of, I tell people all

597
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,410
the time, if somebody doesn't
give you the option not to vote,

598
00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:48,810
then you don't have option. Um,
so that's where that's where the

599
00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:52,110
real, real issue comes in with
this whole and this is what this

600
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:56,850
whole this is what this whole
article is about. 2020. Then

601
00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:59,610
they go down to the next
paragraph says such tactics have

602
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:03,690
led to accuse the group of
sowing division amongst African

603
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:07,740
Americans, and engaging in a
form of voter suppression

604
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:09,120
is Yeah, that's great.

605
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:18,150
Ah, not unlike voter purges, and
gerrymandering, how the hell can

606
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:19,200
we gerrymander?

607
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,490
I mean, not unlike a you're
drawing an lines in the

608
00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:26,490
districts? I don't know. I
really don't know what that

609
00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:27,720
means. That's, that's

610
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,400
a stretch. So this is what this
is. This is what this like I

611
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,010
say, I know sent out a lot, but
this is what this whole article

612
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:41,340
is about, is to really shame
black people. Like oh, you know,

613
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:44,610
you don't vote you will let
Trump win. You know, he's the

614
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:47,040
boogey man you know, he's the
big bad Klansmen,

615
00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:50,160
you know, I mean, now, look at
look at these blacks. They're on

616
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,610
his side, that's even worse that
I mean, just just associating

617
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:57,390
this group with Trump is enough.
I mean, that's enough for the

618
00:42:57,420 --> 00:43:00,810
for the New York Times reader
and the elites of America to

619
00:43:00,810 --> 00:43:03,780
decide right then and there. A
das equals Trump

620
00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:10,170
equals bad. Yes. So um, let's
get to the next clip.

621
00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:14,610
Shireen Mitchell, the founder of
stop online violence against

622
00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:17,700
women has been embroiled in
online battle with ados.

623
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:21,060
activist for months. Miss
Mitchell contends that the

624
00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:25,830
group's leaders are quote, using
reparations as a weapon in

625
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:30,510
quote, to make Mr. Trump more
palatable to black voters.

626
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:33,180
Others have pointed out and Miss
Cornell once appeared on her

627
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:35,730
YouTube channel and make America
great again hat

628
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:42,360
as proof so she did appear on
her channel wouldn't make a good

629
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,280
America Great Again, hat. But if
this reporter had done her

630
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,640
homework, it was as a joke, but
this has become a meme. It's

631
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,700
become one of those things where
if you say it enough is true.

632
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,120
Yeah, you got it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. Doesn't

633
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,210
matter what the truth is, we got
you would have Magga hat on. So

634
00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:04,230
you're saying you're, you're in
with the on the alt right. Um,

635
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:08,520
so another thing she points out
here, she says, using

636
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:13,740
reparations as a weapon. Now,
nobody has a problem when people

637
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:18,780
use immigration as a weapon.
They say, if you don't support

638
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:26,670
immigration, we won't support
you. AIPAC uses there's no, I

639
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:31,350
mean, it's politics. That's how
politics works. You know, I

640
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,110
won't vote for you. You won't
have my support. We will get you

641
00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:36,630
out of office will run against
you in the primaries. You know,

642
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:39,900
I mean, that's, that's how
politics work. Yeah, but it's

643
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:40,080
like,

644
00:44:40,439 --> 00:44:43,649
it's clearly a DDOS or not
obedience. They're not doing

645
00:44:43,649 --> 00:44:45,059
what they're supposed to do.

646
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:52,920
Get back in your home. Yep.
Well, and this quote is from

647
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,180
Miss Shareen Mitchell does that
name ring a bell to you, sir?

648
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:59,280
Shareen Mitchell.

649
00:45:01,439 --> 00:45:02,579
Not offhand.

650
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,580
We'll miss your remit. You had a
talk with Miss Joy read?

651
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:13,890
Oh, yes, I know who this is.
Yeah, sure do. Straight into it,

652
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:15,360
shall we goes are we have some
fun.

653
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:19,920
They appear to be a human, but
they don't leave a big gap as as

654
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,950
Adam just said, in the time that
they've tweeted, and they tweet

655
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:24,810
you should you respond to them?

656
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:29,160
Generally no, I mean, off the
back, you should say back and

657
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,250
just sort of watch their
engagement, how many times

658
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:34,410
they're tweeting, what they're
tweeting about, and even the

659
00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:37,350
topics in particular. And a lot
of the ones that are pretending

660
00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:40,170
to be black people and black
women in particular, who are

661
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,800
focusing on black identity have
these sort of aspects in the

662
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,220
ways that they're talking about
language. If we saw the other

663
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:50,430
day, there was an account that
was supposed to be for black

664
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:54,300
supporting Howard Schultz, that
account was eventually pulled

665
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:57,570
down. But that was a prime
example of someone trying to

666
00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:01,050
mimic support from the black
community for a particular

667
00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:03,570
candidate. So these kinds of
things that are happening at

668
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:06,540
this moment, we have to pay a
little bit more close attention

669
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:09,840
to it because there is nuance,
but there are also identifying

670
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,750
factors. For example, right now
from the black identity

671
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:18,030
framework, there's a new sort of
hashtag and or identity that's

672
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:23,100
in their bios called a D O S, or
D. O S, which is standing for

673
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:24,840
descendants of slaves.

674
00:46:25,799 --> 00:46:29,459
Well, that's wrong. And also
what she's she's from stop

675
00:46:29,459 --> 00:46:33,779
online violence against women.
And yet, why is she speaking on

676
00:46:33,779 --> 00:46:34,559
this topic?

677
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,100
Well, she's the blackbutt. Lady.

678
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,630
Oh, the she's the blackbutt.
Lady. Okay, can we play it?

679
00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:44,190
Yeah, yes.

680
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:48,120
So it's the indication that they
are, they are someone who was

681
00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:51,450
born and you know, as a
descendant in the United States,

682
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:56,370
who was representing black
America, and has the vernacular

683
00:46:56,370 --> 00:46:59,700
in the language that people will
believe is someone who's a part

684
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,760
of our community who's either
debating about Camilla or

685
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,330
debating about Booker, because
that's who just announced and

686
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,990
I'm trying to say, we know who's
the most, you know, who's who's

687
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:13,860
black in America and making sure
that they're, you know, sort of

688
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:16,620
talking in this vernacular that
makes it look like that they are

689
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:18,900
American? Yeah, yeah.

690
00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:22,440
We I mean, I did see a huge
uptick in bot activity when it

691
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,630
came to when Kamala Harris
announced it's like it just

692
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:27,300
dropped like a bomb. It just
happened really quickly. And she

693
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:30,750
was accused of being not, not
really black. Not Not really.

694
00:47:32,670 --> 00:47:35,490
You can see that happening. But
actually, there was an uptick of

695
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:39,030
those bots, just before she was
about to announce so they were

696
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:40,590
preparing for her announcement.

697
00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:44,100
I love joy Reid, who's like, oh,
I noticed all these bots. No,

698
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,310
you did not. You don't notice
any of that.

699
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:52,170
Oh, these are real people. And
it's amazing that Miss Farah

700
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Stockman didn't ask Miss Urim
Mitchell about her black bots

701
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,460
comment. I'll we blocked bots
now. Ah, you shouldn't be afraid

702
00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:05,760
of bots. Not voting. Right?
Yeah. You see what I'm saying?

703
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,900
So no, she brings her up. She
mentioned to her how you know,

704
00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:13,950
we're using reparations as a
weapon, making Trump more

705
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:17,040
palatable to the black voters.
But she didn't ask her about her

706
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,950
black box comment that she made
on jewelry reads our

707
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:26,190
show. No. In fact, the article
just says that she has been

708
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:29,640
embroiled in a Shareen Mitchell
founder stop online violence

709
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,000
against woman has been embroiled
in an online battle with the A

710
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,260
das activist for months. She's
battling bots mo she's very

711
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:41,700
brave. Mr. Mitchell contend that
the group's leaders are using

712
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,230
reparations as a weapon. So
yeah, so of course, why would

713
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:50,040
the New York Times call her out
on that that makes no sense. And

714
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,060
where she why

715
00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:56,460
she from Shareen Mitchell is not
much on.

716
00:48:57,780 --> 00:49:00,630
There's not much about her on
the Wikipedia. All right,

717
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:03,420
but why are you so worried about
bots, bots don't vote?

718
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:10,650
Well, because of the division,
the bots were sewing in the

719
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:16,650
community to move people or
black people away from

720
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:20,520
supporting Kamala Harris and
Cory Booker. That's that's what

721
00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:21,570
the way I understood it.

722
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,250
And column my head count. I like
it Come on my head column.

723
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:36,780
column or column up? Yeah. So
Kamala Harris would take down

724
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,160
was the shot across the bow.
That's when they really saw

725
00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:49,650
these people is serious. Yeah.
To take down a consider to be a

726
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:53,460
leading cause you know how they
classify their candidates over

727
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:56,970
the Democratic Party. She was
one of the leading Democrats,

728
00:49:57,270 --> 00:50:01,230
and she was completely deflated
in a mess. Other days, and as

729
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,520
soon as she came out,

730
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:05,640
I'm surprised that the article
doesn't mention that a DOS

731
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,210
successfully beat Kamala Harris
down to 3%. In the polls, these

732
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:16,920
are very dangerous aid officers.
But anyway, missed opportunity,

733
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,010
I

734
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:24,510
think. So, as we know, Miss
Marianne Williamson, she had the

735
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:29,760
air of Athos and Aidan's had her
ear, um, but it's a clip that I

736
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,960
had, and I didn't, it was one of
those clips slips. And I made

737
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,730
mention of it. But when I went
back and listen to it, it had a

738
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:45,450
totally different context now.
Um, she's gonna lay out the step

739
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:54,270
by step plan of how you can
move. Well, I'll let her explain

740
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:54,390
it.

741
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,470
There was a moment last night
that seemed like you were going

742
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,900
almost you are going at it with
Don Lemon.

743
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,250
He posed a question to you about
reparations. What was going

744
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:06,840
through your mind when he asked
you this question?

745
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:12,240
Well, how diminishing can he be?
What makes you qualified to

746
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,780
determine a number? You know,
there's this political class,

747
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:20,130
it's like a Wizard of Oz type of
thing. Only they know, you know,

748
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:22,740
it's like something's going on
behind the curtain. A lot of

749
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:24,990
people have serious
conversations about what's going

750
00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:28,800
on in this country, not just a
bunch of TV pundits and, and

751
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,310
politician. So and I was so
diminishing, what makes you

752
00:51:32,310 --> 00:51:36,630
qualified to do math, there is a
certain, you know, strain of

753
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:39,900
official note. So at first it
was like, We won't take her

754
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:43,770
seriously. She's not there. Then
okay, she's there. But she's a

755
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:47,730
joke. She's a looney tune. And
now they've gotten to a phase

756
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,510
of, well, so never win the
nomination, but we should

757
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:53,970
probably listen to her because
she has some really important

758
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:54,870
things to say.

759
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,360
Okay. So the step by step she
laid out about how they attacked

760
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,230
her. Yeah, they did the same
thing that a Das. Won, they're

761
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:09,300
not there. Yet. You know, their
bots, then they're Looney Tunes,

762
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,970
to their joke. Yeah. But now
it's like, all well, they got

763
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:18,420
real power. We got to listen to
him. It's the same as that step

764
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:21,510
by step. No, I heard it. I was
like, wow, yeah, you know, this

765
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:27,330
is a system. This is a real
system. And then my brain got

766
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:36,750
going, um, if there's a system
as Mr. Neely Fuller said, there

767
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:41,880
is a system and it controls the
world. But let's listen to him

768
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:44,280
talk about that system, and only

769
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,300
got to step on my foot and you
got to find milk. Now I gotta go

770
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:51,510
get my brothers and my gangs
would not see and the white

771
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:56,580
supremacist say, These people
don't even know how we do what

772
00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:00,300
we do. That's why we are masters
of the world.

773
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,880
So we've we figured out how they
do what they do. And how they do

774
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,160
it. They do used to be called
COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was

775
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,960
this system of counter
intelligence, custom for counter

776
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,910
intelligence program. It was ran
by one Mr. Hoover, J. Edgar

777
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:33,510
Hoover, FBI to be specific for
the FBI. And this is the to me,

778
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:39,120
when I read this article, it may
not be specifically COINTELPRO,

779
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,230
but it smacks of the same kind
of methodology behind it.

780
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:47,070
We know that government watches
us, but what about when

781
00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:50,790
government surveillance changes
the course of history. In the

782
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:55,530
1960s, the US government started
a program called COINTELPRO, or

783
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:58,410
the counter intelligence
program. The program was a

784
00:53:58,410 --> 00:54:02,310
series of secret FBI initiatives
targeting activists, political

785
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,730
and minority groups, the
American Indian Movement, the

786
00:54:05,730 --> 00:54:09,690
Black Panthers, Martin Luther
King, women's and civil rights

787
00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:13,200
groups, Vietnam War protesters,
and anyone who got the

788
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,670
government seeing red tactics
used included infiltration, and

789
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:20,700
surveying and discrediting
leaders and causes in order to

790
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:24,840
undermine entire movements and
organizations. But a lot of what

791
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,740
COINTELPRO did was illegal, and
it was officially disbanded in

792
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:32,640
1971. Though if you ask many
activist groups and political

793
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,390
dissidents, it still exists.
Just him another form.

794
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:48,150
Okay. I'm very I'm very familiar
with this. I didn't realize that

795
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:51,900
it was. They stopped it in 1971.

796
00:54:52,860 --> 00:54:56,010
And was this Ah,

797
00:54:57,210 --> 00:55:00,300
did that have anything to do
with the Smith Mundt act By any

798
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:00,930
chance?

799
00:55:01,770 --> 00:55:06,420
Um, I'm not sure. Okay, that I'm
not sure I'm familiar with the

800
00:55:06,420 --> 00:55:10,260
Smith ma app, but I'm not sure
if that that went hand in hand.

801
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Okay. But as Mr. Neely Fuller
said two clips ago, they

802
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,770
understand the powers that be
understand. And uh, you see you

803
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,930
we saw in Venezuela, we see all
over the world. They empower one

804
00:55:24,930 --> 00:55:28,050
leader against an established
leader and then let them fight

805
00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:32,520
it out. Right. And that's what I
was alluding to when I say they

806
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,180
mentioned Tyreke machine first
before they actually mentioned

807
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:41,160
the co founder and co founders
IDaaS was coming when you see

808
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,670
these things, it's a pattern.
They do the same thing. It's

809
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:49,620
like um so when I saw I was
like, This is gonna be a

810
00:55:49,620 --> 00:56:01,410
problem. But my worst fears came
true. Tariq nasheed and tone

811
00:56:01,410 --> 00:56:06,300
talks took the bait, and it
started with Tarik Nashi tweet.

812
00:56:06,509 --> 00:56:10,289
Trump is actually talking about
providing specific tangibles to

813
00:56:10,289 --> 00:56:13,829
foundational black Americans,
yet the Democrats who black

814
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:19,589
Americans have been so naively
loyal to are adamant about not

815
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:23,399
doing anything specific for
black Americans. So why should

816
00:56:23,579 --> 00:56:27,119
we honestly support the
Democrats? This is in response

817
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:34,199
to Trump saying we created 9000
opportunity zones, 8 million in

818
00:56:34,379 --> 00:56:38,759
an 8 million African Americans
live in opportunity zones, yet

819
00:56:38,759 --> 00:56:43,229
every Democrat voted against
giving these black citizens the

820
00:56:43,229 --> 00:56:46,679
future they deserve. The
Democrats, the Republicans got

821
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:47,519
it passed.

822
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,780
So Tarik mushy made a tweet. He
where he retweeted a Trump

823
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:59,250
tweet, kind of like supporting
Trump. But Trump's tweet,

824
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,060
include the mention of
opportunity zones, which

825
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:07,380
opportunity zone, as I stated on
the show myself is a sticking

826
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:09,660
point for me. Because you're
he's

827
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:12,630
out for me as well. And you
know, because I live in an

828
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:17,250
opportunity zone. So I'm curious
to see how it's doing for poor

829
00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:17,670
people.

830
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,070
Yeah, so it's just on a surface
level, it has been branded as

831
00:57:23,070 --> 00:57:27,960
black as bad for black people. I
don't know call stuff, just I'm

832
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:34,980
saying on the on in the MB. When
you hear that term now, in the

833
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:41,880
ADA circles, which you want to
say they woke circles is

834
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,340
synonymous with a
gentrification? Yeah, we have to

835
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:54,210
say, it's very nuanced. But for
him to retweet that I knew there

836
00:57:54,210 --> 00:58:00,180
was going to be pushback for him
doing that with I was what what

837
00:58:00,180 --> 00:58:04,560
now? Let me be clear, we're
talking about intra group

838
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,600
conflict. Yeah. So at this
point, eight, us, native black,

839
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:13,350
foundational black, everybody
was on the same page, right?

840
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:20,850
Post the article, we started
seeing fractures happen, and

841
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:26,490
they would happen to
immediately. Um, so Terry, and

842
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:30,390
she makes this tweet that was
read by Yvette Cornell just just

843
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:35,490
for full disclosure, which is
the founder of Athos, the group.

844
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:43,770
And so, town talks, replies to
Tyreek tweet,

845
00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:46,530
I'm seeing this thing and I
responded to Tareekh. And I

846
00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:50,010
said, this is not real politics,
Trump perform one of the most

847
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:53,970
regressive tax cuts in American
history. They left the cupboard

848
00:58:53,970 --> 00:58:57,150
bare for any type of major
program that would have cost

849
00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:00,480
similar to reparation. You
cannot say this without

850
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,450
recognizing that fact. Okay,

851
00:59:03,930 --> 00:59:08,640
so let me let me just hear what
he said. Was that the

852
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,900
opportunity zone the the amount
of money that's involved, that

853
00:59:12,930 --> 00:59:17,250
could have just been used for
reparations for a Doss, is that

854
00:59:17,250 --> 00:59:17,910
what he's saying?

855
00:59:18,450 --> 00:59:23,340
I'm thinking the way I interpret
it was it doesn't compare Okay,

856
00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:25,440
cuz here's the thing. Oh, yeah.

857
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:29,730
In other words, that's not
reparations. Nice. Yeah, well

858
00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:33,750
done might work. Who knows
Jury's out but it is reparations

859
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:34,110
No.

860
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:42,630
So inside baseball here.
Anything that can be used to

861
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:47,550
needle the Democrats, native
blacks are willing to use

862
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,390
because those are the people
that have taken us for granted

863
00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:54,450
for so many years taken our vote
for granted for so many years.

864
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:59,460
What needs to happen is it needs
to be parity created between the

865
00:59:59,460 --> 01:00:05,100
two party If you bring them on
the same level and then you say,

866
01:00:05,130 --> 01:00:09,180
Okay compete for our vote.
Democrats should do you need our

867
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:13,500
vote? You want to take Trump out
of office if he's a threatening

868
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,860
the, what was the word he liked
to use? Threatening democracy,

869
01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:18,300
our democracy, right? Yeah,

870
01:00:18,299 --> 01:00:21,719
right. Right now the market
three, A, this this, this

871
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,959
reparations seemed like a good
deal to get him out of there.

872
01:00:24,989 --> 01:00:29,369
What's up, right. And then on
the other hand, is like a Trump,

873
01:00:29,399 --> 01:00:32,519
you know, saying, you know, if
you want to lock up this 2020

874
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,959
vote, what's up, or neither one
of you want to do anything,

875
01:00:36,989 --> 01:00:39,269
we're gonna sit on the sidelines
and let you guys figure it out.

876
01:00:39,299 --> 01:00:39,629
That's how

877
01:00:39,630 --> 01:00:43,680
politics works. That's, that's,
that's how people get votes.

878
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,130
Sure.

879
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:49,860
That's on code. But people are
going off code.

880
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,790
every word matters at this
moment. Part of the reason that

881
01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:56,730
we're talking voting brought
down by like Democrat is to make

882
01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:00,060
it clear that we're not a right
wing propaganda tool. Because

883
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:05,250
right now, the four DS come
into, into play, dismiss,

884
01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:09,600
divide, destroy, you know,
they're trying to, they're

885
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,370
essentially trying to try to get
us and call us right wing, when

886
01:01:14,370 --> 01:01:17,940
actually we're just demanding a
black agenda. So as a result, we

887
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:21,810
can't get any fuel to the fire.
And I think it's, what I'm

888
01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:26,610
seeing right now is an inability
to really understand how

889
01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:31,740
important that is imagery, how
important it is to catch this

890
01:01:31,740 --> 01:01:37,050
thing as what it is where, look,
black folks since 74 have voted

891
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:44,160
90% Democrat, black folks. When
you look at Latinos, in the last

892
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,560
election, 65% of Latinos voted
for for the Democrats 35% voted

893
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,990
for Trump, when you look at
whites 674, their rate of vote

894
01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:59,100
for the Republicans has been
over 50%. And for the Democrats,

895
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,090
it's been like 40%, the
Democratic Party is our party.

896
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:07,200
The problem is that we haven't
called on them with the specific

897
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,640
Black Agenda and demanded of
them what they owe us. You don't

898
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,300
walk away from what they what
somebody owes you. And say it's

899
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:17,880
because they don't want to
recognize you without making

900
01:02:18,060 --> 01:02:20,850
what I'm making a haymaker of a
case, and that's what we're

901
01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:21,390
doing right

902
01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:28,860
now. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, skirt skirt, hit the

903
01:02:28,860 --> 01:02:36,780
brakes. Right. We were all on
code here. If nobody puts

904
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:41,340
anything on the table, you're
not getting our vote. And even

905
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,120
sir, certain segments, you're
saying, if the Democrats aren't

906
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,570
willing to put anything on the
table, we will vote for Trump.

907
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:54,180
Just to show the Democrats we're
not playing right that that's

908
01:02:54,180 --> 01:03:01,650
that was the code, right? And
then aid off the group. Now this

909
01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:05,220
is where it becomes a lineage
which you can't be born in. And

910
01:03:05,220 --> 01:03:08,130
I mean, you can't be an out of
the group. You're born into it.

911
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:12,210
Right. I mean, I was born a
loss, just for the sheer fact

912
01:03:12,210 --> 01:03:15,630
that who my parents weren't who
their parents were right. Now

913
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:20,730
Ukraine eternal making a group,
a political group. And you're

914
01:03:20,730 --> 01:03:24,870
saying we're gonna vote down
ticket Democrat? No. And like I

915
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:28,500
said, this is I'm not picking
sides in this situation. Because

916
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,890
one thing you know about me,
Adam, I made it very clear. I

917
01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:32,790
don't do groups.

918
01:03:34,410 --> 01:03:35,850
No, that's correct.

919
01:03:36,569 --> 01:03:40,079
The reason why I don't do groups
is this very case right here.

920
01:03:40,949 --> 01:03:46,709
Because groups change. And now
you've I've locked myself in

921
01:03:46,709 --> 01:03:51,479
with this group. And now have
you done a pivot? No, we're not

922
01:03:51,479 --> 01:03:54,599
voting down ticket anything
because that's that's a trick in

923
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,049
itself. Because the reason why I
say that is how does the average

924
01:03:58,049 --> 01:03:58,889
American vote?

925
01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:02,910
straight ticket? Yeah,
Republican Democrat done?

926
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:06,150
You're not going to sit down and
check the average person that

927
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:08,280
can go to sit? No, I'm not going
to vote for president but I'm

928
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,690
going to go check everybody out
the judge and senators and now

929
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,060
you're gonna go on there, you're
going to put push one button or

930
01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:18,360
the other button, right? Pretty
much so this is absolutely this

931
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:23,340
as a trick I took as as an
insult to my intelligence

932
01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:29,040
because it was very clear. We're
not if nothing tenten it and

933
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,240
it's the word we'll use
tangible. Oh, yes, we're gonna

934
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,530
use reparations as a weapon, the
same way immigration is us. We

935
01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:42,360
might not get immigration, you
know, the immigrant immigrant.

936
01:04:43,470 --> 01:04:46,290
activist groups might not get
open borders, but they like what

937
01:04:46,290 --> 01:04:50,010
do you got for me? What can we
get? We can get DACA okay, we're

938
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:50,280
saying

939
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,420
every, everybody wants
something. Absolutely. Right.

940
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,100
So what's the latest, um, for us
for leveraging. So maybe you

941
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:02,190
couldn't do eight out You
couldn't do reparations. But you

942
01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:06,420
could say, well, we can do A, B
and C. And then we see you next

943
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:08,790
election. So that's, that's,
that's kind of tangible, you

944
01:05:08,790 --> 01:05:11,670
know, saying that was, you know,
I mean, I feel I could feel it,

945
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,490
you know, I could I could talk a
touch of Israel, and we could

946
01:05:14,490 --> 01:05:17,760
talk, but nobody's put anything
on the table. And now all of a

947
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,130
sudden as we get close to 2020,
you have a Das, the group and

948
01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:26,820
let me be clear here, a dotnet.
Now Now as for shattering to

949
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:32,880
Well, I said, I'm gonna go by
NBA now. Because now you've done

950
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,730
something weird here. I'm now
while passe das means something

951
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:44,970
totally different. And Tariq
mushy replies back and he makes

952
01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:48,240
the point of politics versus
lineage, my position

953
01:05:48,270 --> 01:05:52,560
and everybody else is a lineage,
but it's also created by a

954
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,920
movement of politics, a very
sustained politics around the

955
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,780
Black Agenda, and reparation.

956
01:05:57,810 --> 01:06:01,890
Okay, so right there. Okay, so
lineage, but it's a movement

957
01:06:01,890 --> 01:06:05,760
based around politics or some
political group. Okay. Okay.

958
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,930
We'll say that. We get it back
to me, this is what I'm saying.

959
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:14,580
Don't say that and just be very
upfront with it. This is a

960
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:18,000
political group that they have,
that they've named the same

961
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,040
thing so that it can be
conflated. That's him saying

962
01:06:23,610 --> 01:06:27,600
it's linear, but it's also this
political thing, too. So it's a

963
01:06:27,630 --> 01:06:30,630
group that they've completed
with the lineage. So when you

964
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:33,750
speak about the lineage, by
proxy, you're speaking about the

965
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:38,460
group and you begin the group
up. It's two things. That's very

966
01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:45,390
deceptive. That's very
deceptive. That's deceptive. You

967
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:49,410
ain't talking about lineage no
more. So if a person out here,

968
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:52,560
just saying, Yeah, ados. And you
think, Okay, I'm just supporting

969
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,650
the lineage. And then they're
using that Tony nibandh? Well,

970
01:06:55,650 --> 01:06:58,320
that's, that's the number that's
he's in my group. That's my

971
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,880
group member. I'm the leader of
you understand, we're lineage,

972
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,110
you're telling me who to vote
for.

973
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:12,450
In, in an interesting way. This
parallels the, the 2008 Tea

974
01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:17,850
Party, who were not necessarily
a lineage, but there was a

975
01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:22,560
foundational set of beliefs. And
it was Ron Paul, who, who

976
01:07:22,590 --> 01:07:28,410
started that who ran that, and
through very similar tricks.

977
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:33,090
That whole group was co opted.
And it was turned into

978
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:35,010
something. In fact, it was
turned into something so

979
01:07:35,010 --> 01:07:39,390
naughty, that Ron Paul left, he
left his own group, you know,

980
01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:42,930
because it did turn into just a
political entity and all kinds

981
01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:45,630
of and it happens all the time
and other actors come in, and

982
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:49,890
then the group morphs and
changes. So yeah, it's, it's,

983
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:50,940
it's tough doing that.

984
01:07:51,090 --> 01:07:55,680
So there is a definite definite
parallel between the Tea Party

985
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:03,120
and between the Tea Party and
Athos, because this is how it

986
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:10,050
becomes was from grassroots to
astroturf, right. And like I

987
01:08:10,050 --> 01:08:15,180
said, I'm off the boat. I can't
add, well, can't do this. And I

988
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:19,350
think other people picked up on
it. And I'm not picking sides,

989
01:08:19,410 --> 01:08:24,120
because one of these
conversations should have been

990
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:28,020
had behind the scenes. They
should have sit down in a room

991
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:33,510
together, had a conversation,
and not had it all over social

992
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:37,110
media. So I don't like how
either one is you don't know how

993
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:41,430
to handle it. I think they both
have something to add, because

994
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:47,820
tone has great data. He does the
research. And I think Tyrion has

995
01:08:47,820 --> 01:08:53,700
a certain flair. Yeah, charisma
also use Korea. So if you add

996
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,830
those two together is value
adding,

997
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,070
right? But that doesn't sound
like they have the same agenda.

998
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:07,830
Well, and when you start talking
about voting, and nobody can see

999
01:09:07,830 --> 01:09:11,760
what what I mean, my question
is, show what you say you have

1000
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,110
data, right? That's your thing,
data. Where is the data to say

1001
01:09:16,110 --> 01:09:21,000
for me to vote? You know, where
show me the impact. And when I

1002
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,970
cast my vote in four years. I'll
see a direct impact. Right?

1003
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:34,500
Yeah. Um, so then I ask myself,
got Yvette and Tom have put so

1004
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:38,430
much work into this. They should
know this movement. Um, they've

1005
01:09:38,430 --> 01:09:42,150
never really caught it a group
before. But now it's starting to

1006
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:46,050
look like a political group.
What changed?

1007
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,920
Oh, the only thing I can think
of would be money.

1008
01:09:52,830 --> 01:09:55,050
Cra 1866

1009
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,620
Cra 1866,

1010
01:09:58,650 --> 01:10:02,220
a four days and four A day
Donald Trump will walk into the

1011
01:10:02,220 --> 01:10:07,170
Supreme Court to scale back the
Civil Rights Act of 1866.

1012
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:19,170
Okay, hold on a second. Now I do
know that there was something

1013
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:23,580
about the Civil Rights Act but
that was more in regard to

1014
01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:29,070
believe it or not trans people.
I'm not sure what else was

1015
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:31,680
charmed this is new to me is
surprised to me what what is

1016
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,390
changing with this era? What
happened?

1017
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,980
That's the bar Alan thing. Oh,

1018
01:10:38,309 --> 01:10:42,089
oh, his his lawsuit because he's
not being carried by the big

1019
01:10:42,089 --> 01:10:46,649
cable companies. Oh, okay. All
right.

1020
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:49,800
And bar Allen and tone talks
have been real buddy buddy.

1021
01:10:51,210 --> 01:10:55,350
Byron Allen stepping into the
onto the stage.

1022
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,560
Yes. So that's the odd thing I
can see that has changed. Like I

1023
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:07,770
said, I've seen, um, I guess I
saw the warning signs. But I

1024
01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:11,940
always give people the benefit
of the doubt. I'm always very

1025
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:15,240
careful about how I cast things.
Because I don't want to, I want

1026
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,960
to be a part of your solution,
not the problem. But when I saw

1027
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:25,650
a Democratic candidate, start
talking with this group. I'm

1028
01:11:25,650 --> 01:11:31,080
like, wow, like, that's cool.
But how that relationship

1029
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,320
happened? Always me say I had to
ask this question. How did it

1030
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,280
happen? Yeah. Then I see a
Killer Mike sit now who was a

1031
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,850
big representative of Bernie
Sanders sits down and talks with

1032
01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:45,930
Tom was taught, Tom was taught.
It's like, I'm starting to see

1033
01:11:45,930 --> 01:11:53,160
you surround yourself with a lot
of politics. Yeah. And then Barr

1034
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,880
Allen, he came in it was like,
Oh, well, it's a nice thing is

1035
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,290
really you're saying got legs?
Maybe I can use them to support?

1036
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:05,940
My my arm? Ryan from it.

1037
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:08,520
Right. So let me just say
agenda. Let me just explain the

1038
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:11,250
I don't know if you have that
here. I don't think so. The the,

1039
01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:16,350
the Byron Allen case is very
interesting. He has a number of

1040
01:12:16,410 --> 01:12:20,160
television channels, I think we
should call them. And they're

1041
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,840
very black oriented, music and
cooking. And you have real

1042
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,200
lifestyle type challenges. And
Comcast are one of the largest

1043
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,790
cable companies in the country
that hasn't been carrying them.

1044
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:41,580
And Byron Allen said, Well, you
have to because you're violating

1045
01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:46,230
the Civil Rights Act. Based on
based on race, your you're

1046
01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:50,610
discriminating against me based
on race. So just a headline from

1047
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:54,000
Fortune magazine from five days
ago, Comcast is challenging a

1048
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:58,800
153 year old law that protects
against racial discrimination.

1049
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:04,320
We can't let that happen. Rights
Derrick Johnson. So so this is a

1050
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:06,540
this is the Supreme Court. So
this is going this is all the

1051
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:09,780
way to the top. And they're
going to challenge I'm not I'm

1052
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,390
not completely familiar with the
case, but they're going to chair

1053
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:17,790
challenge his claim that his
100% African American owned

1054
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:24,300
cable channel is being rejected
despite Comcast caring White

1055
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:29,130
owned channels with similar
audience sizes. Hmm. So that's

1056
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:31,290
the basis of the of the of the
case and

1057
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:35,220
somebody's going to motive and
like I don't want to cast

1058
01:13:35,220 --> 01:13:44,190
aspersions on anybody. But I'm
starting to see is like where,

1059
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:51,270
where's What am I getting from
our hope? I'm very self or self

1060
01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:56,580
oriented and self focused. Where
what what does it do for me? I

1061
01:13:56,580 --> 01:13:59,970
think if everybody voted that
way, then you will get the

1062
01:13:59,970 --> 01:14:01,440
government to represent well

1063
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,140
the message is clear mo you're
gonna get some cool cooking

1064
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:14,640
shows Hey, you know, there's
there's worse ways to get people

1065
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,060
to vote, vote for me, and we'll
give you better TV shows.

1066
01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:29,940
So as I look at this, I can't
really support aid off the group

1067
01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:38,160
anymore. Now native black
issues. And I want you to turn

1068
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,630
foundational black American
because then that seems counter

1069
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:47,130
aid off the group. Right. Which
I have to be fair, Tariq Nasheed

1070
01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:51,600
has says, I am not a leader. I'm
not creating a political group,

1071
01:14:51,630 --> 01:14:57,270
you know, but I don't want to be
caught in the middle of it. So

1072
01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:01,830
I'm careful like I said to be
us. align with groups. And then

1073
01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:04,500
the other thing dangerous about
the group is if you start

1074
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:09,810
calling this a political group,
right? And we go back, and you

1075
01:15:09,810 --> 01:15:14,550
start using words like
insurgent? Yeah. Then you start

1076
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:15,390
getting on list. And

1077
01:15:15,390 --> 01:15:18,060
yes, you do. Yes, exactly right.
It's very dangerous.

1078
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:26,100
With that said, this is where we
go back. There's always a

1079
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:28,440
portion of the show that we have
to go back in time

1080
01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:31,140
to get go back to school back to
school.

1081
01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:35,040
There'll be EB Dwar versus
Booker T.

1082
01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:38,670
One of the first moments where
Dubois comes onto the national

1083
01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:45,210
stage is the brewing controversy
between his ideas about racial

1084
01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:49,110
progress and how to move the
race for and the leading African

1085
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:52,560
American figure of that time
period, the late 19th and early

1086
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:57,750
20th century, Booker T.
Washington. In the beginning,

1087
01:15:57,780 --> 01:16:02,040
they agreed on many points about
the importance of education, and

1088
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,130
moving the race forward. It
turns out, though, that because

1089
01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:09,360
DuBois was northern born and had
access to some of the best

1090
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,300
schools in New England, and
really was encouraged to think

1091
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,630
broadly, it's been part of his
elite graduate education being

1092
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:20,430
trained in Berlin, working with
Max Vabre. By contrast to Booker

1093
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:23,970
T. Washington, who was self
educated, a very gifted and

1094
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:29,670
talented man, but he was born as
a slave. That fundamental

1095
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,120
difference certainly shaped
their sense of change over time.

1096
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,060
So here, we have two like minded
individuals for the most part of

1097
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:45,660
what was good for black people.
And all of a sudden, they start

1098
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:51,090
having daring ideas. Now we've
spoke about web divorce many

1099
01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:57,870
times on this show, and he was
at the NAACP. And as I brought

1100
01:16:57,870 --> 01:17:06,660
up on a couple of occasions, the
NAACP chairman was not one not

1101
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:11,730
other than Joe spin guard. And
just for people for matter of

1102
01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:17,070
record. Joe Spingarn was hired
in May of 1918, and given them

1103
01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:22,350
rank of Major in the Military
Intelligence Division, and ran a

1104
01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:26,760
small unit of undercover agents
who was looking for proof of

1105
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:35,880
subversion. So it's clear that W
Ed be the boy it was, for lack

1106
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:42,660
of better word being steered by
Mr. Spingarn, but what is little

1107
01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:48,720
known is about tuskys mitten
Hall in the United States

1108
01:17:48,780 --> 01:17:53,670
Army office of intelligence
hired a black man by the name of

1109
01:17:54,990 --> 01:18:03,450
Mr. Booker T. Washington's vice
principal to ski Institute was a

1110
01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:07,920
paid undercover intelligence
officer for the United States

1111
01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:13,050
Army whose job was to spy Booker
T. Because they were concerned

1112
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,290
that he was using to ski and
they were correct in their

1113
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,100
suspicions as a hideout for
black revolutionaries a week

1114
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,510
from claim in a week from

1115
01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:24,420
well, this should COINTELPRO
right there.

1116
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:32,460
Yep. And so now on one side, you
got the boys under Joe Spingarn.

1117
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:37,650
And on the other side, you have
Armington. He's working at

1118
01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:42,480
Tuskegee with Booker T.
Washington. Now, Tuskegee

1119
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:47,730
Institute, that is where
Tuskegee syphilis experiment

1120
01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:48,120
happened,

1121
01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:51,180
oh, yes, a fine moment in
history.

1122
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,960
And it was one of the most
infamous bio medical research

1123
01:18:54,960 --> 01:19:01,260
studies in US history. It began
while Moulton handed on the

1124
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:08,100
Tuskegee Institute. And it says
this pyramid it failed to tell

1125
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:12,090
participate to participants
their diagnosis, and did not

1126
01:19:12,090 --> 01:19:16,920
treat new era after penicillin
was provided in 19 in the 1940s,

1127
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:25,170
to be effective against
syphilis. And in 1932, Mr. R Mo

1128
01:19:25,170 --> 01:19:33,030
and Wanda Spingarn Medal for the
NAACP. Good work.

1129
01:19:35,190 --> 01:19:36,090
Here's a mess. Oh,

1130
01:19:37,530 --> 01:19:42,120
we see the things like I say
COINTELPRO. I'm not saying

1131
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,850
either one is you know, being
steered in any way but what I'm

1132
01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:48,180
saying is anytime there's
positive movement in the right

1133
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:50,430
direction by any group, let's
just I mean, because you made

1134
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:54,450
the point about the Tea Party.
If a group does not accept it,

1135
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,080
is making traction. They're
infiltrated by outside forces

1136
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:01,890
and steered.

1137
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,270
Was this not also what Black
Lives Matter was about?

1138
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:12,450
Exactly. It started off as a
hashtag. And then Soros money

1139
01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:17,040
came in. And then they start
talking about how global warming

1140
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,970
affects black people.

1141
01:20:18,419 --> 01:20:21,479
Black non black women did not
mistreat black women.

1142
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:27,840
Pardon me, pardon me? Yes, you
will. Correct. Yeah. So after

1143
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:36,030
Mr. M. Booker T. Washington was
pushed to the side or stepped

1144
01:20:36,030 --> 01:20:42,210
away. Web to Dubois started
warring with Marcus Garvey.

1145
01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:46,290
In a world when a black mass
movement was deemed a threat to

1146
01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:51,660
the United States. There came
the tiger, Marcus Garvey,

1147
01:20:52,259 --> 01:20:56,879
you mighty race, you can
accomplish what you will, Africa

1148
01:20:57,029 --> 01:21:04,349
for the Africa, home and abroad.
One God, one aim, one destiny

1149
01:21:04,410 --> 01:21:07,080
then came. J. Edgar Hoover.

1150
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:10,320
This is a dangerous man damn
radical ungrateful in an

1151
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:10,890
American

1152
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,700
in one of the most dangerous
times in America. Marcus Garvey,

1153
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:19,170
codenamed the tiger attempted to
organize a global mass exodus of

1154
01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:22,800
Africans to return to their
homeland only to be thwarted by

1155
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,880
American officials who used
techniques of infiltration and

1156
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,290
disinformation to destroy him.
Hiring a force of black

1157
01:21:31,290 --> 01:21:35,010
government agents J. Edgar
Hoover devised an infamous

1158
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:38,460
counter intelligence program
coin tell pro

1159
01:21:38,639 --> 01:21:42,389
this works. We may have a model
for all future organizations

1160
01:21:42,389 --> 01:21:42,959
like this

1161
01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:45,810
incarcerating him would not stop
him.

1162
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:48,840
Where is the black man's
government? Where's his king and

1163
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,290
kingdom? Where's the black man's
president? This country? His

1164
01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:53,580
army on this navy,

1165
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:57,780
provisional president of Africa?
Not on my watch J. Edgar

1166
01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:01,350
Hoover had one mission. catch
the tiger.

1167
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,250
Yeah, Marcus Garvey, I want a
great story.

1168
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,510
So you may ask, how would J
Edgar Hoover catch Marcus

1169
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:21,150
Garvey? Well, we use the first
African American FBI agent. Of

1170
01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:21,540
course.

1171
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:28,680
The FBI is marking the 100th
anniversary of the hiring of the

1172
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,400
first African American Special
Agent. It's a chapter of the

1173
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,000
Bureau's history that is not
well known, but it's relevant to

1174
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,620
what is happening inside the FBI
today. CBS whose chief justice

1175
01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:43,650
and HOMELAND SECURITY
CORRESPONDENT Jeff legates was

1176
01:22:43,650 --> 01:22:47,910
given a rare access to the
Bureau's archives and two top

1177
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:51,360
FBI officials. He's in our
Washington bureau. Good morning,

1178
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:51,750
Jeff.

1179
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:55,410
Good morning, Michelle. There
are no known photographs of the

1180
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:58,980
first African Americans Special
Agent but there is a record of

1181
01:22:58,980 --> 01:23:03,900
his hiring a century ago. And as
we look through the FBI archives

1182
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:06,840
Bureau officials told us that
they believe there are lessons

1183
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,590
from the past that are relevant
to what is happening today

1184
01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:16,290
inside the FBI. Inside FBI
headquarters in Washington, is

1185
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:20,040
an archive room filled with
hundreds of 1000s of documents.

1186
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:24,870
In this loan application for the
job of Special Agent, it was

1187
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:30,480
hand written in 1919 by James
warmly Jones until now, the then

1188
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:34,290
35 year old has been a footnote
in the Bureau's history or,

1189
01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:38,640
according to the FBI, Jones was
employed exclusively in an

1190
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,720
undercover capacity working
directly under J. Edgar Hoover.

1191
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,770
More black agents would follow
Jones's footsteps into the

1192
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:49,950
bureau. And they too would work
undercover in the black

1193
01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:54,540
community. Hoover would go on to
become the longest tenured FBI

1194
01:23:54,540 --> 01:23:58,020
director and targeting
influential black Americans

1195
01:23:58,020 --> 01:24:01,770
would become a pattern in the
50s and 60s, Hoover targeted

1196
01:24:01,770 --> 01:24:04,800
Martin Luther King Jr. for
extensive surveillance.

1197
01:24:05,130 --> 01:24:11,880
All right, so who is the James
warmly Jones of the A das

1198
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:12,450
movement?

1199
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,730
Well, there isn't one. And the
reason why I say that is as with

1200
01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:26,760
anything you have to evolve,
right. So just the throwback

1201
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,110
clip, we had to talk about the
Civil Rights Movement and the

1202
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:31,710
media.

1203
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:38,910
As a story, the Civil Rights
Movement had it all. Good versus

1204
01:24:38,910 --> 01:24:43,680
evil, drama, social upheaval.
But at first America's major

1205
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,470
media ignored it, especially in
the South.

1206
01:24:46,740 --> 01:24:51,990
It was our responsibility to
find a way to dramatize the

1207
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:53,070
issue was

1208
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:56,250
Congressman John Lewis says that
the movements leaders realized

1209
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:00,630
to bring change they needed to
reach white Americans. How did

1210
01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:01,200
you do that?

1211
01:25:01,349 --> 01:25:07,169
As a movement? We literally put
our bodies on the line,

1212
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,900
you have influence on the Civil
Rights coverage,

1213
01:25:09,929 --> 01:25:14,039
Hank klibanoff co wrote the race
beat a book about the media, and

1214
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:15,329
the movement, or race

1215
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:19,410
was a big story in the south
beginning in the 40s and 50s.

1216
01:25:19,650 --> 01:25:21,180
It's just that no one knew about
it.

1217
01:25:21,509 --> 01:25:26,219
Finally, by 1957, major northern
newspapers discover the drama

1218
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:29,429
and the story. How do you feel
about integrated passengers that

1219
01:25:29,429 --> 01:25:32,969
television networks followed,
even major southern media paid

1220
01:25:32,969 --> 01:25:36,989
attention to the open hatred,
you got to keep the white in the

1221
01:25:36,989 --> 01:25:40,679
black set and the violent
response to peaceful protest?

1222
01:25:41,009 --> 01:25:45,299
If you're going to beat us, beat
us in the light of day, beat us

1223
01:25:45,299 --> 01:25:46,439
by the cameras on

1224
01:25:46,679 --> 01:25:52,049
on gov. This was Selma, Alabama,
1965. Among the bloodied John

1225
01:25:52,049 --> 01:25:52,679
Lewis,

1226
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:57,750
American people could not stand
to see young children. And all

1227
01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:02,070
women been knocked down by fire
hoses and chased by police

1228
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:02,520
stole.

1229
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:05,910
All right, well, media has
certainly evolved since those

1230
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:08,490
days. So there's many options, I
guess.

1231
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:19,380
The way they attack on black
movements now is to let it play

1232
01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:24,150
out through the media. Yeah. As
we say, in in the New York Times

1233
01:26:24,150 --> 01:26:29,340
story, you thought no food for
one to two. And then

1234
01:26:29,340 --> 01:26:33,510
let's spice away right, right,
right. So create, so having more

1235
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:38,580
groups, throwing the the red
meat in this case would be

1236
01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:43,170
mainstream press coverage,
letting it all scrap it out, and

1237
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:47,160
it's cynical man, but it's the
way it's going.

1238
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:51,450
Now, I know there are some
skeptics out there, you're like

1239
01:26:51,450 --> 01:27:00,690
Mo, Here you go again, you know,
um, but there's a guy named Mr.

1240
01:27:00,690 --> 01:27:06,960
Lowest Lomax. And what Mr.
lowest low max was able to do

1241
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:12,930
was to pit MLK against Malcolm
X. on national television.

1242
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:18,450
It has been suggested also that
this movement, preaches a gospel

1243
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:19,380
of violence.

1244
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,440
No, the black people in this
country have been the victims of

1245
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:26,010
violence at the hands of the
white man for 400 years. And

1246
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,610
following the ignorant Negro
preachers, we have thought that

1247
01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:32,370
it was God like to turn the
other cheek to the group that

1248
01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:35,520
was brutalizing us. And today,
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is

1249
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,400
showing black people in this
country that just as the white

1250
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,610
man and every other person on
this earth has God given rights,

1251
01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:44,580
natural rights, civil rights,
any kind of race that you can

1252
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:47,250
think of when it comes to
defending himself, black people

1253
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:49,590
should have we should have the
right to defend ourselves also.

1254
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:52,470
And because the Honorable Elijah
Muhammad makes black people

1255
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:55,350
brave enough men enough to
defend ourselves no matter what

1256
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:57,990
the odds are. The white man runs
around here with the with the

1257
01:27:57,990 --> 01:28:02,610
doctrine that we are Mr.
Mohammed is advocating violence

1258
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:04,740
when he's actually telling
negros to defend themselves

1259
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,410
against violent people. Reverend
Martin Luther

1260
01:28:07,410 --> 01:28:15,090
King preaches a doctrine of non
violent insistence upon the

1261
01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:18,960
rights of the American Nikko.
What is your attitude toward

1262
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:19,920
philosophy the

1263
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,550
right man pays Reverend Martin
Luther King subsidizes Reverend

1264
01:28:23,550 --> 01:28:26,190
Martin Luther King, so that
Reverend Martin Luther King can

1265
01:28:26,190 --> 01:28:29,220
continue to teach the Negroes to
be defenseless. That's what you

1266
01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:31,860
mean by non violent, be
defenseless, be defenseless in

1267
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:36,000
the face of one of the most
cruel beasts that has ever taken

1268
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,190
the people into captivity.
That's just American white man,

1269
01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:40,980
and they approved it throughout
the country by the police dogs

1270
01:28:40,980 --> 01:28:44,220
in the police clubs. 100 years
ago, they used to put on a white

1271
01:28:44,220 --> 01:28:46,950
sheet and use a bloodhound
against negro. Today they have

1272
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:49,770
taken off the white sheet and
put on police uniforms. They

1273
01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:53,040
traded in the bloodhounds for
police dogs, and they're still

1274
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,040
doing the same thing and just as
Uncle time back during slavery

1275
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,070
used to keep the Negroes from
resisting the bloodhound or

1276
01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:01,830
resisting the Ku Klux Klan by
teaching them to love their

1277
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:05,070
enemy or pray for those who use
them. despitefully today, Martin

1278
01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:07,920
Luther King is just the 20th
century on modern uncle time, or

1279
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,070
a religious uncle time, who was
doing the same thing today to

1280
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:14,430
keep negros defenseless in the
people protect their Uncle Tom

1281
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:17,310
did on the plantation to keep
those Negroes defenseless in the

1282
01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:19,680
in the face of the attack of the
Klan in that day.

1283
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:23,220
Another interesting guy

1284
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,850
very interesting never heard but
for

1285
01:29:26,850 --> 01:29:30,150
of course, this is good. First
America first African American

1286
01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:30,870
journalist.

1287
01:29:32,460 --> 01:29:37,380
Yes. So you bring them on
television. You tell them a

1288
01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:41,250
question. Well, what do you
think about that King Guy? And

1289
01:29:41,250 --> 01:29:44,040
they you sit back and like, you
know,

1290
01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:45,660
let it roll.

1291
01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:51,780
Right let it roll. Now. say the
same thing I said about the two

1292
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:55,020
gentlemen and modern day times.
They could have had a

1293
01:29:55,020 --> 01:30:00,240
conversation behind the scenes
and not through the media. You

1294
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:03,120
because when you give it to
them, as we all know, and if you

1295
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,110
don't know, when you give it to
the media, they can clip it and

1296
01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:13,500
edit it and make it seem any way
possible. So Mr. Lewis Lomax

1297
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:17,400
didn't stop there, because he
had Mr. qinggong

1298
01:30:17,820 --> 01:30:23,460
Malcolm X. Articulate opponents
of the Black Muslim philosophy

1299
01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:29,760
has said of your movement and
your philosophy that it plays

1300
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,470
into the hands of the white
oppressors that they are happy

1301
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:38,670
to hear you talk about love for
the oppressor, because this

1302
01:30:38,670 --> 01:30:44,670
disarms the Negro and fits into
the stereotype of an ego as they

1303
01:30:44,700 --> 01:30:48,870
need turning the other cheek
sort of feature, would you care

1304
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:50,940
to comment on this practice?

1305
01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:59,250
Well, I don't think of love as
in this context, as emotional

1306
01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:06,030
Bosch. I don't think of it as a
weak but I think of love as

1307
01:31:06,030 --> 01:31:10,740
something strong and that the
organize itself and powerful

1308
01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:15,240
direct action. Those as well
what I've tried to teach them

1309
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:19,950
the struggle in the south, but
we are not engaged in a

1310
01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:24,960
struggle, it means we sit down
and do nothing. That there's a

1311
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:29,010
great deal of difference between
non resistance to evil and

1312
01:31:29,010 --> 01:31:34,380
nonviolent resistance. Non
resistance leaves you and leaves

1313
01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:38,280
you in a state of stagnant
passivity and Deadman

1314
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:43,680
complacency when nonviolent
resistance means that you do

1315
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,690
resist and have a strong and
determined manner. And I think

1316
01:31:48,690 --> 01:31:54,480
some of the criticisms of non
violence or some of the critics

1317
01:31:54,810 --> 01:31:59,070
fail to realize that we are
talking about something very

1318
01:31:59,070 --> 01:32:04,560
strong and they confuse non
resistance with non violence.

1319
01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:13,140
So you saw mr. Lomax bring mount
Martin on and say I use what

1320
01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:14,220
King said about you.

1321
01:32:14,250 --> 01:32:16,530
Yeah, he was stirring the pot

1322
01:32:18,090 --> 01:32:22,860
stirring the pot let him sit
back. And of course I'm sure

1323
01:32:22,860 --> 01:32:25,140
that these two gentlemen were
able to sit down they could have

1324
01:32:26,610 --> 01:32:32,970
came to some resolution but once
you have the look at is the

1325
01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:37,530
group of people looking up to
these two guys. At the time,

1326
01:32:38,190 --> 01:32:41,340
it's like now you have to choose
one side or the other Right.

1327
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,340
which divides the group mate
weakens the group? And like I

1328
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:52,680
said, this is not exclusive to
black America. Um, you see in

1329
01:32:52,710 --> 01:33:01,050
every silver war created across
the globe the powers that be go

1330
01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:08,910
in and power and arm one sided
the current conflict and lamb

1331
01:33:08,910 --> 01:33:12,000
have it out with the other side
of the conflict.

1332
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:18,000
And what's what's new and
interestingly, different today,

1333
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,100
of course, is that arming in
comes from status on social

1334
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:27,930
media, reach on social media.
Perhaps, you know, there's some

1335
01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:33,480
weaponization going on there
with the promotion or or or D

1336
01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:37,230
platforming, God knows. But
it's, it's it seems like a

1337
01:33:37,230 --> 01:33:38,430
repetition of history.

1338
01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:47,040
What if the same trick works?
Yeah, you just tweak it? I mean,

1339
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,930
you just tweak it a little bit?
Um,

1340
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,200
well, how come? How come tone
doesn't see this? How come to

1341
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,520
read? Do they not see this or
the just too wrapped up in their

1342
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:57,090
own

1343
01:33:57,270 --> 01:34:06,690
movements? Well, they're human.
Yeah. And ego. That's top of the

1344
01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:16,530
list is the flaw of humans. And
it gets in the way of actual,

1345
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:23,970
you know, progress. I'm sure MLK
and Malcolm knew better but ego.

1346
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:31,590
You know, it gets in the way.
But what I will want everybody

1347
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:35,730
to do and the reason why I did
this, this reason why I made

1348
01:34:35,730 --> 01:34:39,210
this episode, because I didn't
want to add fuel to the fire.

1349
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:43,470
Right? If we saw my counter
intelligence program, or you

1350
01:34:43,470 --> 01:34:47,430
know, you don't want to know
what you're getting cast to the

1351
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,570
fire doesn't help you. What I
want to do is put a blanket on

1352
01:34:51,570 --> 01:34:56,460
the fire. Let's listen to the
elders. Let's listen to Mr.

1353
01:34:56,460 --> 01:35:01,260
Neely fuller. That's why I use
these clips. You know, he's he's

1354
01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:07,830
warning us, they're gonna go.
I'm just enough food for half of

1355
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:12,300
us. Let's not fight over it.
Right and on the other hand,

1356
01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:18,210
let's listen to Mr. Dr. Claude
Anderson. Politics don't benefit

1357
01:35:18,210 --> 01:35:22,470
us. Then what the hell are we
doing?

1358
01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:26,280
Politics is a very simple
product process that says, I

1359
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,950
will define for you, or who's
gonna get the benefits out of

1360
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:32,820
life is based on a simple
premise, a quid pro quo,

1361
01:35:33,150 --> 01:35:35,970
something for something. One
hand washes out it, you scratch

1362
01:35:35,970 --> 01:35:39,930
my back, I'll scratch yours. You
vote for me. I'll support you

1363
01:35:39,930 --> 01:35:42,690
and do something for you. Black
people, the only people that

1364
01:35:42,690 --> 01:35:44,430
have never played politics and

1365
01:35:44,430 --> 01:35:48,480
when is it interesting to print
quid pro quo is now this

1366
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:53,670
incredibly dirty term based on
current events with the Trump

1367
01:35:53,670 --> 01:35:59,310
and Ukraine. wares that's
exactly what what everyone

1368
01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:02,550
should be asking for in
politics. When asked for a vote.

1369
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:03,720
There's a quid pro

1370
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,700
quo. Isn't it funny to saying
tricks now? We're being played?

1371
01:36:09,690 --> 01:36:10,950
No, no, it's

1372
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:15,390
not funny. It's disheartening.
it's disheartening.

1373
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,790
Isn't it? But isn't it weird?
Gestures made fun is not the

1374
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:25,320
right word. That we're seeing
the same tactics use here.

1375
01:36:26,730 --> 01:36:31,770
They're trying to get somebody
to flip on Trump. Yeah. Is to

1376
01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:34,770
say same thing, divide and
conquer. You know, they're

1377
01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:39,030
bringing all these guys in stone
and Manafort and all the guys

1378
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:44,430
like, who's gonna flip? Yeah.
And a US bow. He well, he said

1379
01:36:44,430 --> 01:36:46,800
this about Trump. He said that
about Trump, when this guy

1380
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,720
leaves when he leaves when he
leaves a post are relieved from

1381
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,630
his post, you know, they
everything negative said about

1382
01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:57,450
him, you know, it creates a
book. So it's the same, I'm

1383
01:36:57,450 --> 01:37:01,740
gonna say it's the same tactics.
So were they hoodwinked?

1384
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:08,250
Yes, you have been hoodwinked,
bamboozled, led astray run amok.

1385
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:18,330
Yeah, so where does that leave
you? Mo? I mean, you've been

1386
01:37:18,330 --> 01:37:21,150
very clear that you know, you
consider your now the

1387
01:37:21,150 --> 01:37:24,480
terminology you using his native
black because a Das has become

1388
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:30,150
too, too weighted with the with
it being a group and a

1389
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:35,040
definition. I understand that
the show is, of course doing

1390
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,220
something about that just by
pointing out what's going on.

1391
01:37:39,450 --> 01:37:41,820
But that that must be very
disappointing for you to see

1392
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:42,240
this.

1393
01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:49,710
It was expected? Yes. Yeah. I'm
not being cynical. Well, that's,

1394
01:37:49,710 --> 01:37:54,180
of course. And that's why I
always made the distinction. A

1395
01:37:54,180 --> 01:38:02,160
Das. Not the group ate us.
Because I saw this coming. Have

1396
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:07,080
it becoming a group when you
start seeing chapters form, and

1397
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:12,660
not to say anything bad about
it, but it's just black lives

1398
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:19,020
does matter. But I don't support
the group. Right? If you get one

1399
01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:21,930
wrong, yes. So of course, of
course, where it leads me where

1400
01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:24,600
it leads you to answer your
question where it leads me at

1401
01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:29,430
its own code. That's where it
leads me to where I've always

1402
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:32,040
been, if it's beneficial to my
group of people where I'm all

1403
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,540
I'm all for it. I will tell you
this. The Democrats are playing

1404
01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:38,370
a very dangerous game.

1405
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:42,090
Yeah, could backfire very
easily.

1406
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:46,530
Where we talked about the
negative vote, you might

1407
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:51,570
actually create positive votes
in the form of the Trump

1408
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,450
Yes. For the opposition.
Exactly. Exactly. So oh, so that

1409
01:38:57,450 --> 01:39:03,060
is interesting. So the situation
as is, I'll just call it the

1410
01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:06,390
black vote. And with that, I
mean, foundational black native

1411
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:12,810
black, a DOS, the definition.
Being splintered. And perhaps to

1412
01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:15,600
such a degree that everybody
throws their hands up in disgust

1413
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,970
and says, You know what,
Democrats Screw you, we're gonna

1414
01:39:17,970 --> 01:39:19,110
vote for the other guy.

1415
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:25,290
There's a real segment of people
that could possibly do that,

1416
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:29,700
because everybody's not blind to
what's going on here. And we

1417
01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:34,050
know who funded that New York
Times article. Well, who, who

1418
01:39:34,050 --> 01:39:38,310
the inspiration was and who? The
Democratic Party

1419
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,440
but I want to nail a name to the
to the to the fence, you know,

1420
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:47,730
it's, it's, it's unbelievable.
It's actually it's unAmerican,

1421
01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:50,910
what's happening here? are
actually well, no, well, it's

1422
01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:53,940
it's quintessentially American.
Actually, if you look at the

1423
01:39:53,940 --> 01:39:57,420
history, because it's what's
been done throughout throughout

1424
01:39:57,540 --> 01:39:58,680
throughout the ages.

1425
01:40:00,510 --> 01:40:06,030
Well, I'm reading through this
paper, right. And I see no

1426
01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:10,590
mention of 2016 election Hillary
Clinton, so I don't think it's

1427
01:40:10,590 --> 01:40:14,790
her right arm because if you're
gonna do what you're gonna say,

1428
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:19,620
you know, knows this kind of
thing cost me even saying this

1429
01:40:19,620 --> 01:40:22,590
right election right right right
i mean I'm just I'm just

1430
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:30,900
speaking out of what observation
now this thing if I had to put a

1431
01:40:30,900 --> 01:40:33,720
name on it the Obama camp
because I said with the timing

1432
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:44,700
of yeah his pack Deval Patrick.
Whoa, yeah. I mean it's like

1433
01:40:44,820 --> 01:40:50,100
Bang, Bang Bang Bang. And here
we are.

1434
01:40:50,130 --> 01:40:54,030
So we should take Deval Patrick
extremely serious if he has this

1435
01:40:54,030 --> 01:40:56,580
kind of support behind him with
this type of coordination.

1436
01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:00,480
Although, I don't know how well
it worked in this case. We you

1437
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:01,380
certainly noticed.

1438
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:06,660
Were you still gonna have a
certain segment of people who

1439
01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:09,270
and what they're trying to do it
I think the numbers and don't

1440
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:13,230
quote me on these numbers, I
think it was 67% turnout.

1441
01:41:14,670 --> 01:41:18,690
They're trying to hit that
number of 59. It was in 2016

1442
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,770
with the turnout. So you just
got to get it over 59. Yeah. So

1443
01:41:22,770 --> 01:41:25,110
what they had to do now is just
stop the bleeding because

1444
01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:27,990
they're like, we go on to 50.
Now we're not going to win. You

1445
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:32,010
they factor in you put a black
candidate up, sprinkle some

1446
01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:38,040
Obama dust on him. Or you might
can get back to about 6364.

1447
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:38,400
Right.

1448
01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:42,750
All right. Well, that jam. This
makes this makes it even more

1449
01:41:42,750 --> 01:41:46,200
interesting. And I have not seen
this kind of analysis anywhere.

1450
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:50,220
Mo congratulations on doing
this. And it's complicated in

1451
01:41:50,220 --> 01:41:53,130
this names of learning all these
new things people I'd never

1452
01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:55,170
heard of before. Yeah.

1453
01:41:57,060 --> 01:42:00,780
Wow. Well, I guess

1454
01:42:00,810 --> 01:42:03,210
we'll just have to keep our eye
on it and see how this

1455
01:42:03,210 --> 01:42:06,930
progresses. Because this is not
over, folks. This is not over.

1456
01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:11,970
It's just starting, and we're
still waiting on the swoop. So

1457
01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:12,330
well.

1458
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:15,420
The swoop from Hillary, we'll
see if that happens. You know,

1459
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:18,330
where we have a couple other
players, but yes, indeed.

1460
01:42:19,980 --> 01:42:24,150
Maybe she was pre spooked. Could
be I mean the time and that and

1461
01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:26,490
that'd be very old babby very
O'Barry.

1462
01:42:26,490 --> 01:42:30,360
Obama asked, you're so right,
that she was ready to swoop and

1463
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,550
who swoops in? Well, you got
Bloomberg. I don't know what

1464
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:36,540
he's doing. But Deval Patrick
came out of left field he's in

1465
01:42:36,540 --> 01:42:40,260
his packaging is almost perfect.
And I say almost because the

1466
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:46,380
venom have an example of it.
Man, his voice is is is off.

1467
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:50,700
He's really not windy. And I
think he's a badass though.

1468
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,650
No, he has that going for him
that even? Obama did half going

1469
01:42:55,650 --> 01:42:56,550
forward. Right.

1470
01:42:56,580 --> 01:43:00,240
Right. Right. Right. Wow, that
could be an interesting that

1471
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:07,050
could be a swoop on the swoop.
Pretty smooth. Fantastic. Oh,

1472
01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:10,980
thank you for for, for pulling
all of that apart for us so that

1473
01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:15,750
we could look inside into this
COINTELPRO that is clearly

1474
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:20,280
taking place. Shame on the New
York Times. But yeah, go figure

1475
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,900
to what it is. And well, all we
can do is hope for some positive

1476
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:28,020
developments in one way or the
other Something is definitely

1477
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:29,790
going to play out. It always
does.

1478
01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:35,640
And as I always say, pay
attention to everything and the

1479
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:36,960
truth will reveal itself

1480
01:43:36,990 --> 01:43:41,070
and we'll be telling you all
about it right here on Moe facts

1481
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:45,090
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1482
01:43:45,090 --> 01:43:51,450
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1483
01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:55,350
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1484
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:59,490
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1485
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:04,440
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