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MoeFactz with Adam curry for
January 6 2020. This is episode

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number 21st Show of 2020. How're
you doing?

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I'm doing well. Adam, how you
doing?

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Man? Happy New Year.

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Same you, Sir Simon to you? Yes.

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So 20 of episode of MO facts
with Adam curry. And this is the

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year we're gonna start asking
people to participate actively

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and support the work I think. I
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I hope so last night teen I hope
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Or return the favor or return
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value? Yes. So the value for
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All right, Mo, I'm excited to
find out what you got lined up

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for us. What are we going to
talk about?

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All right. Um, so if people
don't know this, Kanye West

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school spirit, and I had a
little school spirit, so I want

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to talk about the segregation of
schools. Oh, okay. All right.

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All right. We, we had we had
alluded to this topics on a

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couple of other shows talking
about segregation. And that's

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such a big topic. I wanted to
break it down and maybe into

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segments. And we'll talk about
the final stretch of the

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integration price process. And
that was the schools. So

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all right, excellent.

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So just to lead off, I want to
start with a little MLK, I have

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a dream,

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I have a dream. That one day
this nation will rise up. live

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out the true meaning of its
creed. We hold these truths to

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be self evident, that all men
are created. I have a dream

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that one day on the sons of
former slaves and the sons of

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former slaves will be able to
sit down together at the table

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of brotherhood. I have a dream.
My poor little children will one

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day live in a nation where they
will not be judged by the color

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of our skin but by the pound
Kennebec character.

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It's a classic, classic slip on
no facts, nothing like yeah, so

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that's the that is the whole
meme or encapsulation of the

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civil rights movement and
immigration and the defeating of

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segregation. So I wanted to
start off with that. It's I've

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said this on a show of several
times that I am against forced

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immigration. Forced is the key
word.

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Yes, I think that's a universal
issue. Forced and forced is

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never good. Especially not if
the government's forcing you to

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do something.

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Correct. And the reason why I
started off with the I Have a

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Dream speech is that's because
that is where everybody is

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mentally set on the subject of
integration, that it would just

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set it would it work, you know,
King was successful. But even

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King himself has some doubts
before his death. And I have a

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clip of Harry bought Harry
Belafonte. Speaking on that

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topic,

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last thing Dr. King said to me,
before he was murdered, was in

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my home when he was sitting
planning strategy for the Poor

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People's Campaign, which was on
the horizon of the politics of

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the day. Martin said, you know,
I've been thinking long and hard

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about our struggle. We work
tenaciously for our rights. And

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the culmination of all that
effort will be reflected in what

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we've come to call the
integration movement. And I sit

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here deeply concerned that I
suspect we are leaving our

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nation on integration trip that
has us integrating into a

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burning house

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okay, Have you heard that
statement before? The burned

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out house? Yes. No, no, the only
burning house I can think of is

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talking heads burning down the
house, that's not going to help

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us. So this is a very

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How can I say it? In certain
circles, this is a very popular

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statement of Dr. Martin Luther
King's, but not to the masses.

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Okay, the at the end of his life
when you

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have to have a secret handshake
to get into the circle?

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Well, no, it's not. It's not
that it's that in the mastering,

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they would never propagate this
facade of Martin Luther King.

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They want Him to keep him that I
have a dream King, not the

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second guessing

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of burning of the house burning
down. Right,

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or integration itself is what is
this the right move? Now is very

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popular in our community to the
quote unquote, black community

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to second guess, integration,
because we look at the results

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of it. And that's what the show
was, in this episode, we're

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going to really dissect how we
got to the point of integration

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and results integration. And not
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because Hindsight is 2020. We're
going to look at some notable

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figures at the time. And even
they weren't as Pro integration

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as the mass media, what have you
to believe. So I have some clips

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here. We're going to start at
present day and see how

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integration has failed to the
point that schools are probably

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just as segregated as now as
they were in the 50s and 60s.

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And we have the Atlantic came
schools and a great kid school

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integration made a comeback one,

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the vast majority of white
children living in the city have

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access to a high performing
neighborhood school. The vast

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majority of black students have
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nothing. Do you think we're
betraying the legacy of Brown v

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Board? Absolutely.

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We have defined it in every way
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America's schools are the most
segregated they've been in

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almost 50 years. And for
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hasn't been doing anything about
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student attends a school that is
nearly three quarters white, the

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average black student goes to
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students of color. In 1954,
Brown versus Board of Education

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declared that segregated schools
should be dismantled with quote,

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all deliberate speed. We're
sliding back into the two

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unequal systems. Brown promised
to get rid of one for low income

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black and Latino students, and
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Yeah, this is a topic that
interests me a lot. I follow

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this in Austin, mainly because
I'm a home home owner. So I'm a

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taxpayer, and I'm an old fart,
and now I get to bitch and moan

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about stuff. So I've been I
follow what's happening. With

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the Austin school districts, we
have closings, and this is one

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of the most liberal cities in
America. It's a very odd place

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here in Texas. But it's big
NIMBY, not in my backyard. It's

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always big talk big mouth, but I
believe from what I understand

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the schools are incredibly
segregated in Austin. And, and I

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don't know if you're going to
talk about this at all, but

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charter schools is now you know,
the cropping up everywhere. And

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this is on one hand can be
great, but another hand, it

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makes the problem even worse. So
yeah, I can attest to this

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definitely being the case.

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It's amazing that we're back to
the future. The main thing that

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they try to get rid of human
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hey, Moe, you know, when you get
to be as old as I am, you start

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picking up on a trend happens a
lot.

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You can't change people's how
people feel. Right? And that was

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the How naive the civil right
quote unquote civil rights

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movement was because he was
like, oh, we'll just force our

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kids the, you know, force this
love on you, you know, in in,

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pull it out, you know, pull the
equality.

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You know, I have an analogy for
you. Here in another one in

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Austin. They decided we need
bikes that just you know,

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painted bike lanes on the roads
downtown and in lots of places,

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but downtown's a lot of bike
paths. You can't just paint that

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and say, Oh, it's going to work
now. And you know, cars won't be

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making right hand turns cutting
by takes off triumphing over

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him, it takes a long time for
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work if ever, there's no
evidence It's working, it's

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dangerous to ride your bike
here.

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And that's an excellent,
excellent analogy, because the

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two have to learn how to coexist
with each other. Exactly. But

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when you force these two things
that normally don't coexist, or

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maybe shouldn't share the same
space, that has to be learned,

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that's why I'm totally against
forced integration. Now, if you

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choose to want to be integrated,
like our podcast, this is a

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choice. And we come here and we
have a conversation. Wait,

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you're not a white guy. What?
Know? What? Yeah. Stephen A

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Smith. I'm a black man. Okay, so
I'm the wonder, Am and how can I

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put it nicely? There are people
that were behind the civil

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rights movement. Was this a kind
of force anarchy? Who knows,

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because when you start peeling
back the layers of who were, who

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was running the civil rights
movement, the NAACP, we've

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talked about that extensively,
who they really were, when you

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look about the communists, ties
to the civil rights movement,

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that they that's one form of
protest is anarchy. So was this

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a form of anarchy, but we'll
talk about that a little later,

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let's get into come back to

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integration worked. In 1988, the
achievement gap between blacks

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and whites was half of its pre
brown levels, and no other

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education policy has ever come
close to matching that success.

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So why do we turn the other way,

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there was significant progress
in terms of creating schools

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that were more racially and
socioeconomically diverse. But

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we have to acknowledge there are
other places where that didn't

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happen, and where there was real
resistance.

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parents didn't want black and
Latino kids coming to their

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schools.

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And my grandson, last night
here, they ate,

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some aggressively lobbied
lawmakers and brought cases to

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the courts. Eventually, this
resistance worked. Over the last

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three decades, school
segregation has come back.

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So interesting to hear, you
know, one of those older clips

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was, you know, bad, my grandkid,
they're not gonna come over here

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to hear my school. I wonder if
that's if that that that still

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goes on that kind of talk.

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Maybe in a hushed tone, but I'm
sure it still happens. It's

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just, I find it strange. Just me
being who I am to force yourself

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into a situation. I never
understood the civil rights

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movement of forcing yourself too
much counters forcing yourself

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in other people's schools. We
have Plessy versus Ferguson. And

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that was in 1892. And that was
kind of like where separate but

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equal was established. And if
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we're going to find anything in
the Supreme Court, let's have

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the black schools be equal to
the white schools because that

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was the claim that all they had
better books and better AI

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cities, better schools, this

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goes on today, we still it's
morphed a little bit, but the

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way it's presented today is the
zip code you're born in

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determines your future.

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That's true. And we didn't we
didn't solve the problem of the

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inequality of schools, not the
racial balancing of schools, the

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inequality

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of the education of the material
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buildings, the safety, etc.

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Yeah, that's when we go to the
black school. We should see the

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same safety the same fire
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the same, the same jungle gym
and in the yard. Yeah, of

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course. Exactly.

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Yeah. And I think that's why you
had a bunch of people wanting to

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emigrate, because Oh, yeah, that
school is so much better.

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Facilities wise.

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It's important. I've never
really thought about this when

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you know, what was the reasoning
behind school integration? It's

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kind of sinister when it now
that I think about it. It's

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like, Well, look, if your school
is always going to be shipped,

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so we're going to send you over
here with where it's not shit.

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Yeah, that's kind of centered.

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That will the same thing with No
Child Left Behind. It's like,

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oh, you can read or you can read
well, so you don't deserve to be

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in this crappy school. Looks.
Let's move on

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six to school. It's moving to a
less crappy one. Yeah, exactly.

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We see this audit, and it never
helps. It never helps. And the

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as you're gonna hear and come
back,

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oh, wait, wait, wait, but it
does help. It helps ease the

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mind of those who are better
off. Well, we did our part we

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let them come over to our kids
school. Oh, yeah, the guilt?

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exactly.

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Kings plan isn't the forced
busing of the past. Instead, he

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wants to make it easier for
parents to send their kids to a

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school outside their
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school choice. In this system,
students of color can avoid bad

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neighborhood schools and apply
for better ones across town. And

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white parents can choose to send
their kids to more diverse

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schools than the ones nearby.
The idea is that parents can

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voluntarily integrate schools.
But it's not as easy as it

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sounds. Natalie Hopkinson a
journalist and parent of two,

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has tried to get her two kids
into largely white schools for

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years, they switched schools
five times in 10 years.

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Eventually, she gave up and sent
them both to private schools.

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When it comes to DC race rules,
everything. And it's really

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depressing to me, the choice
system very clearly

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disadvantages black students,
because the schools that are

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high performing, are in white
neighborhoods, period families

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that are able to have the means
to be able to buy into those

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neighborhoods have a guarantee
they will have access to those

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schools.

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Right, same same problem just

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continues. Yeah, so it's not the
schools. It's the communities

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that make up the schools. And we
spoke about how the communities

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have been under attack through
social social programs, and no

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man house welfare system in
these things. So now you see the

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the schools reflect what the
community the status of the

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community is. Yeah. And what
person in their right mind would

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send their child to lower level
school. You don't

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want to but it's, but if it's
the one in your neighborhood,

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you see that that or the voucher
program or whatever. Yeah, but

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I'm

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just I'm speaking of the school
choice. Yeah. Idea. It's like,

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Oh, yeah.

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Let me choose the shit school.

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Yeah, they may love diversity.
Who would do that? It makes no

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sense. This is what we're
dealing with. And this will irks

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me, is the so called leaders.
Where are they at to call this

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out? Like these schools are not
equal. Based off of what I said

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before separate will equal the
facilities should be the same

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the amount of chart, the
textbook, the year, the

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textbooks, all these things.
That's what we should have been

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fighting for. Yeah, no.

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Yeah. And Mo, I must tell you,
I've heard about the school

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choice school vouchers, etc, for
years and years and years.

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And I'm totally honest.

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Only only right now have I
really thought about it in the

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way you're thinking about. It's
like, well, yeah, holy shit,

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that's again, it's just
insulting. It's like, No, we,

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and it goes both ways. Because
if that's being offered, you

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know, there should have been,
maybe there was a call saying,

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Well, hold on a second. We don't
want that we want the schools to

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be better. And I'm sure those
calls were there. But

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ultimately, it's such an
accepted thing. And yeah, and

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just for me, it just kind of hit
me like, oh, that's, yeah, it's

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kind of cynical and insulting.

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And the teachers don't really
say anything, because what do

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they do? They all close the
school. That's the teachers work

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in these environments. You see
them on the news all the time,

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the roof is falling down, rather
than running around. And it's

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like the solution is to close
the school down and bust the

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kids out of their neighborhood.
Right? Yeah, that's the

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solution, not fix the school
now. It is very easy. I don't

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know I can't get get my head
around it. But the one thing

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that last clip, the last of the
clips brought up was the Brown

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versus the Board of Education.
This is 1954. And this was the

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Brown family. They want it to go
to a white school. Well, let me

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let the next clip. Where are we
at? Brown versus the Board of

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Education. Not so equal one.

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It's early in the morning and
young Linda Brown, a third grade

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elementary student in the town
of Topeka, Kansas is getting

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ready for school. Linda and her
sister will soon leave the house

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to begin their churning, but
they won't be going to the

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elementary school located just
seven blocks away from their

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house. No. Instead, they will
walk six blocks to board a bus

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that will then take them to
another school located a mile

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away from their house. Why?
Because of the color of their

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skin. The year is 1951. And this
country needs a change. Now,

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part of that clip sounded really
old and part of it sounded

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modern. What was that from?

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It's from the Georgia Bar
Association.

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Oh my god,

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they need some help. Yeah, so
it's for it's for kids. For

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kids, so they have actual get
gaveled names I think slammer.

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I'm gonna teach

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you how segregation works. Okay.

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But there was something in that
clip that I wanted to see if you

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call about the proximity.

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Yeah, a six be walking six
blocks to the bus.

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So. So the white school is seven
blocks away?

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. They only have
to walk six blocks.

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Why? Well, they had to walk six
blocks to the bus get your bus.

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Mal. So that means this family
lived in a mixed race community.

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Which goes back to our white
flight. Moving out. No, yeah, we

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move moving out. You see what
you see what I'm going? Yeah.

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Because you can't say, oh, we
want all the black kids that go

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to all white schools. That
doesn't make any sense, does it?

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No, that was no, this was very
targeted and Mrs. Bought for a

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certain group of people. And
we're gonna get into that not

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equal to

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it was happening everywhere.
African American students were

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being denied admission to all
white schools, especially in the

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states where segregation was
mandated. The case of a Brown

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versus Board of Education of
Topeka, Shawnee County, Kansas

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was named after Reverend Oliver
Brown from Topeka, Kansas.

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Oliver Brown was an assistant
pastor, a welder in the shops of

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the Santa Fe Railroad, and
father of nine year old Linda

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Brown. Brown was also one of 13
parents to be recruited by his

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childhood friend, Charles S.
Scott, a civil rights law. Brown

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and others were asked to attempt
to enroll their children in

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their closest all white
neighborhood school. Reverend

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Brown did this in the fall of
1951. Taking his daughter by the

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hand and walking with her into
some new elementary school.

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Okay, you rang your bell on the
lawyer's name?

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They will have you believe that?
Mr. Brown, you say, you know, I

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am fed up? My black daughter's
going to a white school. I'm

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calling my lawyers. No, that's
not how it happened to these

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civil rights lawyers called up
families a.

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Sure. Yeah, he's like an
ambulance chaser.

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Yeah. And they use their kids as
as a weapon. Political Yeah. As

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as like Greta, no, brother. This
is the moderate. She's, what is

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her name? Say? I think Cynthia
Brown, I believe. She's like the

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modern day, Greta. They use
these kids. Put them in this

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very volatile and hateful
environment, because it's

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forced. We saw at least seen the
pictures. We seen the little

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black girl holding the notebook
on all these, like, yeah, you're

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writing clips here, your heart
breaks. Why are we yelling on

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both sides? Like? What? And you
put your kid through that for

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what? Better education?

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Well? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't.
Yeah, it's hard to say how that

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how desperate are you? I don't
know. That's, I see the I see

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the jokin at all. Absolutely.
But I'm also thinking, Well, you

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know, if you really want to make
a stance, sometimes you got to

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do something. But clearly, this
lawyer just jumped out of the

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woodwork. And I would say the
lawyer kind of set it all up

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that way to use the kid.

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So my question goes back again,
while we're not trying to get

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better facilities for all the
black children at the school

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that you're not trying to let
your child go to?

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I wish I had an answer.

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Well, it's not there is no
answer because it doesn't make

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any sense. It's like, dumb.
Well, you want to enforce the

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certain privilege and these kids
are privileged they have a

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certain privilege because they
were able to move out of the

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neighborhood obviously, because
they have to walk seven blocks

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and then catch a bus ticket. out
to the school in the community

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were set instead of walking six
blocks to this school over here

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that's in their community. So
I'm just saying. Yeah. So we're

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gonna continue on with. Where
are we at? I think we get, we

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always get clear, we skipped

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Linda Brown explaining cigarette
segregation to her kids.

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I think I think it worked out
best this way. It's funny how

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these things work out. So Linda
Brown Thompson desk. That is the

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that's the little girl, right?
The little girl here she's gonna

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explain her her experience.

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The neighborhood that we lived
in with an integrated

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neighborhood. And so when we
went outside to play, I had

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playmates that were all
nationalities. I had playmates

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that were Hispanic that were
white, that were Native

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American. And so we all played
together, you know, every day.

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And when school would start,
then we would have to go these

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separate directions. My
playmates want to know, well,

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why can't you go to school with
us? And I want to know why I

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couldn't go with them, you know.
But being children, we didn't

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understand what was going on.

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It was devastating. I didn't
like it a bit. And I just

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wonder, why. Why is this
happening? You know, why

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couldn't she go to the
neighborhood school? You know?

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And when the kids asked her why
she couldn't know, they came and

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asked me, Miss Brown, what's the
all of this? Why can't learn to

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go to school with this. And I
tried to explain to them it was

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the color of her skin that black
people could not go to school

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with them over there yet. They
could go, the Mexicans could go,

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the Indians could go and the
whites all went together. But

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the blacks could not go. So I
tried to explain that. Because

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those very same children who
came over to play with her, they

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ate my food. They slept in my
bed with my kids, and they

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played with them. And they
didn't see any difference. But

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then when school started that,
where the difference came in.

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You know, and I don't want to
equate my experience to this at

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all, of course. But I when I was
seven, we moved to the

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Netherlands. And I was in an
international school for a

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couple of years only English
spoken. And live picked up a

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couple of words of Dutch. But
this was 70, early 70s. And

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Americans were not very well
liked. There was a Vietnam War.

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And you know, so really what the
Dutch kids would say to me, is

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you crazy American, that's about
all I would hear all day. And my

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my dad switched careers, and
very expensive International

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School for all three kids ended.
And we literally were told one

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Sunday night, we had a week off
from school. Hey, guess what you

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guys doing tomorrow? And like,
wow, what are we doing? You're

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going to Dutch school. What? So
I entered Dutch school at fifth

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grade, almost not speaking any
Dutch at all. And I'll tell you

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sucks massive balls. Because I
was different. And you have four

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immutable differences, things I
couldn't help. But I was

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completely different. And it's
traumatic, then, you know, so

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just throwing out another
analogy, but I can feel some of

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this.

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Understand, I'm not assisted to
the fact that she wanted to go

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to school with the kids that she
played with in her neighborhood.

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Yeah. And another small fat
dude, I don't want to gloss over

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is why isn't it every other
group, not white group gets to

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go to school, but it's like, no,
no black kids will take the

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Mexicans in any way. You're
pushing the bounds with the

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black kids. I mean, I wanted to
point that out as well. So are

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we talking about segregation
here because they don't really

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fall under segregation. Under
what how you think it would be

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right a whites only right?
That's that's funny business

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going on there as well that? No,
no black people are

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very slight. Everybody will say
yes. Selective segregation.

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Yeah, I

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just wanted to point that out.
For the for the people that's

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out there, listening. But here
we are. So they the civil rights

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lawyers gotten them to got their
15 families and they take it to

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the Supreme Court. And we have a
Brown versus Board Supreme Court

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one.

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By the early 50s, segregation
was frayed by the war and torn

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in spots where the court had
acted. The white primary was

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outlawed. Housing covenants
outlawed some graduate and law

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schools were forced to admit
blacks that the court was aware

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that the big fight was still to
come. The schools K through 12

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white children and black in the
same classroom.

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I love the music and really sets
me up.

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So that this is the law Last
battleground the K through 12

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schools, right? They've like
they said the war, the war had a

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big effect on it, or World War
Two is what they're referring to

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as the war because that was one
I think we spoke about on the

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last show. That was one of the
things that now black people

447
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320
were able to join the armed
forces in mass right side by

448
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,690
side. Yep. You had the Tuskegee
Airmen, you had get the tank

449
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:30,660
battalion that were famed for
being very successful in World

450
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:33,750
War Two. So you had a lot of
black men soldiers coming back

451
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:38,820
home and they were kind of
breaking down some of the social

452
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:44,790
barriers, the barriers, yeah. So
as I said, segregation was

453
00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:51,030
tattered, but they had to keep
forcing, forcing. So we're gonna

454
00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:52,470
get into Supreme Court to

455
00:30:52,709 --> 00:30:56,009
Atlanta by Thurgood Marshall and
other young lawyers like Robert

456
00:30:56,009 --> 00:31:00,689
Carter, the NAACP Legal Defense
Fund was running or aiding cases

457
00:31:00,719 --> 00:31:05,729
all over the country. The court
picked five and consolidated

458
00:31:05,729 --> 00:31:09,509
them into one set of arguments
forever known as Brown versus

459
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:14,489
Board of Education of Topeka,
Kansas. As oral arguments

460
00:31:14,489 --> 00:31:17,189
approached, people camped
outside the building to assure

461
00:31:17,189 --> 00:31:21,509
themselves a seat in the
courtroom. NAACP lawyers,

462
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:24,599
Marshall and Carter were up
against a formidable adversary,

463
00:31:25,109 --> 00:31:29,189
John W. Davis, the former
presidential candidate, making

464
00:31:29,189 --> 00:31:34,829
the last of his 140 appearances
at the Supreme Court. But his

465
00:31:34,829 --> 00:31:38,909
arguments had a familiar ring
separate wasn't necessarily

466
00:31:38,939 --> 00:31:43,799
unequal. Blacks should be happy
with the way things were. Didn't

467
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,769
states have the right to educate
their children as they saw fit?

468
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:51,030
Throwing it right back to states
rights Interesting.

469
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,810
Well, this is where I disagree,
because they say shouldn't

470
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:57,660
blacks be happy with the way
they had it? No, because schools

471
00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:00,360
were inferior. Schools were
inferior. The

472
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,150
second the second part of that,
though, the way I heard it was,

473
00:32:03,270 --> 00:32:05,670
well, wait a minute, shouldn't
the states make sure that

474
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:09,180
that's, I mean, is this when we
had a Department of Education or

475
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:12,150
not, because I think that's
where most of the problems came

476
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:15,630
from, is when we had federal and
when I should, I should look it

477
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:18,540
up, go ahead and continue Mo and
I'll just look that up is when

478
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:19,230
that started.

479
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:25,830
So just a little anecdote that
schools were not equal at a

480
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:29,130
time, and I'm not oblivious to
that fact. Because my dad would

481
00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:33,420
tell me, he would like a we had
to go in and take books together

482
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:36,480
and read, they got like books
that were five, six years old

483
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,470
pages torn out of them. So I'm
aware that the schools were not

484
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:48,570
equal, and facilities and
materials. But there was

485
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:52,710
something that the white schools
couldn't give the black students

486
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:57,660
and we're gonna get to that
later on in the show. And also

487
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,320
in a time that we talked about
now PTSD, post traumatic stress,

488
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:06,000
forcing kids into the
environment that they don't want

489
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,720
to be in Are they not welcome?
It has to be very traumatic

490
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:13,530
credit history, a very
traumatic, but nobody considered

491
00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:18,120
this. It was like we're trying
to win A a political battle. And

492
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,730
if the kids are sacrificed, so
be it.

493
00:33:20,879 --> 00:33:25,169
Well, of course, this is this is
this is very modern, to abuse

494
00:33:25,169 --> 00:33:28,379
your children to for a political
point, by the way, Department of

495
00:33:28,379 --> 00:33:31,709
Education under Jimmy Carter
1979.

496
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,970
Okay, so this was a school, so
was the state's responsibility

497
00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:39,660
to ensure that the schools were
equal, which they were not

498
00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:44,340
which, if I had silver, if, if
I'm running the show, I'm having

499
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:48,330
my civil rights lawyers fight
that case of No, it's not equal.

500
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:55,110
Then Then, then we I think that
would just been better off, but

501
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:58,620
that's just me. Let's get into
Supreme Court three,

502
00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:04,800
Warren starts off in a bland
manner. And you can't tell for a

503
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,210
while as he's delivering the
opinion, what the outcome is

504
00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:15,120
going to be. And then he comes
to the key line. And he says,

505
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:20,070
and we unanimously hold that
separate but equal has no place

506
00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:25,470
in the Constitution. And it was
just electric in the court room

507
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:27,210
when he said unanimous

508
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,420
we conclude that in the field of
public education, the doctrine

509
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:35,160
of separate but equal has no
place. Separate educational

510
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:38,670
facilities are inherently
unequal. Therefore, we now

511
00:34:38,670 --> 00:34:42,060
honestly hold that the
plaintiffs are deprived the

512
00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:47,220
equal protection laws guaranteed
by the 14th amendment. Plessy v.

513
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:51,270
Ferguson, in education is no
more and in practice Plessy v.

514
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,900
Ferguson itself is no more. The
era of Jim Crow,

515
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,190
constitutionally speaking,

516
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,290
is all right. I'm just trying to
understand the Explain, I needed

517
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:05,430
another explanation of separate
but equal.

518
00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:12,690
Okay, so it goes back to 1892.
Case Plessy versus Ferguson. So,

519
00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:19,320
Homer Plessy, who is seven AIFS?
Caucasian? Yeah, going back to

520
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,880
the one drop rule here took a
seat and a white only white

521
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:28,020
whites only car of a Louisiana
train. He was arrested at the

522
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:32,220
refuse to move to the car
reserved for blacks. And this

523
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:36,900
was also a plant. He was a
plant. Well, sure, by lawyers.

524
00:35:38,340 --> 00:35:42,960
It's so this goes even back to
the early not late 1800s of

525
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:50,160
lawyers using plants to bring
about cases right. But but on

526
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,490
appeal, the United States
Supreme Court upheld the state

527
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:57,510
imposed racial segregation rely
on the separate but equal

528
00:35:57,510 --> 00:36:00,870
doctrine. It says separate
facilities for blacks and whites

529
00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:08,310
satisfy the 14th amendment. So
so long as they were equal. So

530
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:11,730
that's Plessy versus Ferguson or
the separate but equal trial.

531
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,210
Okay,

532
00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:13,620
I got it now. Yes.

533
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:17,550
So that's what I'm saying. If
you want to have your lawyers go

534
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:20,250
fight, but like, Hey, we've
tried this case. Plessy vs.

535
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:23,010
Ferguson, we're looking at this
school, we're looking at that

536
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:27,090
school. They're not equal.
You're not upholding the law.

537
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:31,500
Right. But But now what they
wanted to do we say we want the

538
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,400
select few handful of black
children to be forced into white

539
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,750
schools, while leaving the black
schools, dilapidated,

540
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:46,560
dilapidated and deteriorating.
So so so essentially this case,

541
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,260
and its ruling came down to
well, it's okay to leave the the

542
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:54,300
schools in a state of disrepair.

543
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:56,520
Yeah, it's not uncommon.

544
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:01,440
Laws of the Black Law, the black
kids have equal access to the

545
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,100
white schools.

546
00:37:02,130 --> 00:37:05,160
Yeah, you can let it all go to
shit as long as they can walk

547
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:05,850
over that way.

548
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,079
Yeah, wow. Four to leave it to
the neighborhood. Yeah, man with

549
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:10,949
CDs. That's

550
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:19,680
that's institutional racism,
bro. Light bulb. Okay. But it's

551
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,040
for poor people, for poor black
people. If you're middle class

552
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,560
and like we spoke about about
the old

553
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,870
neighborhood on a certain point.
I think it does more from purely

554
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:40,920
a black white issue, racial to
poor and less poor. When the

555
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,810
lines do blurred a certain
point.

556
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:50,220
Yeah, they do. That's true. So
fast forwarding to now. We have

557
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:55,830
Mr. Tony Harris from Seba former
anchor on CNN. And he speaks on

558
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,100
school desegregation while
failed.

559
00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:06,300
Learn it people suggesting to me
that that the Brown decision set

560
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,700
education back for black kids,
why are we fighting these

561
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:17,850
battles? Why when our kids are
getting fighting for resources

562
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,500
for what is a substandard
education, graduating not

563
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,280
reading at a grade level, and a
lot of cases, not all cases, but

564
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,650
in many cases, why are we
fighting this when we know there

565
00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:32,430
was a period of time in our
history, when we were educating

566
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:36,240
our kids and around comes into
effect. And you lose so many of

567
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:40,080
the the black teachers who were
teaching these kids and don't

568
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,080
forget part of the buy in for a
lot of these districts, these

569
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,900
white districts was that these
black teachers aren't going to

570
00:38:45,930 --> 00:38:46,620
teach our

571
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:52,530
white kids. I haven't seen Tony
Harrison CNN in a long time.

572
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:56,850
Yeah, he hasn't been there for a
while. I think he he hosts a

573
00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:01,410
show called America hate. It
looks into a racial issue that

574
00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:05,910
Oh, Al Jazeera. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

575
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:09,750
So he brings up some great
points, because what we had

576
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:13,650
happened was this thing called
social promotion. Have you ever

577
00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:14,430
heard of that, Adam?

578
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Is that a like Twitter?

579
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:24,660
Kind of like it where nobody
knows what they're doing? No,

580
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,560
that's where you just kind of
push a kid alone. Like, oh,

581
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,220
yeah, we're gonna go ahead and
move on to the third grade, even

582
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:34,980
though he's reading. Oh, yeah.
First grade level. Yeah,

583
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:38,130
this is let's just get going.
This is a very big problem. And

584
00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,820
I think that these days, it
happens a lot more and it's done

585
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:46,590
kind of with the grades. Schools
don't want to get the bad over

586
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,200
everything's with metrics.
Schools don't want to bad marks

587
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,730
or they either lower the the
difficulty of the test or, you

588
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:56,700
know, fudge around with the
numbers just to just push the

589
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:57,690
kid through the system.

590
00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:01,320
It's one of those things They
did. And I can just highlight

591
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,770
this right quick was they went
from the seven point scale to

592
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:11,220
the 10 point scale. So just when
I was in school a was 100 to 93.

593
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:18,510
That was a now a is it from 100
to 90. And it goes a B is from i

594
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:21,600
89, to 80, and so on and so
forth. And

595
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:27,630
it's something I never really, I
always okay. Rewind, growing up

596
00:40:27,630 --> 00:40:32,610
in the Netherlands, in, in the
Dutch school system, it's a zero

597
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:38,160
to 10 scale always has been that
way. And the more I came to

598
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,360
appreciate the zero to 10 scale,
the more I looked at the

599
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:49,350
American system with A, B, C, D,
F. And would say this is really

600
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:53,880
fudging you know, it's like a C,
well, you kind of you pass with

601
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,020
a C, but really in the, in the
in the 10 point system that will

602
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:01,140
be a failing grade it more like
a five, and I always thought it

603
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,250
was kind of pussy as like, just
just give me the real number.

604
00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:11,250
Well, that kind of system helps
with, quote unquote, privileges.

605
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:17,820
Well, yes, of course. Is kind of
like a little Johnny. So we'll

606
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:19,200
give him a c minus

607
00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:24,150
exam. Yeah, it's a fudge factor.
It's stupid.

608
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:29,970
What? The reason why I make that
point is this is kind of how we

609
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:37,050
sample how black kids were
harmed. Because where one

610
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:39,840
teacher might give you a B plus,
the other one might give you a c

611
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:46,500
minus, it's very subjective. The
other thing is, what about

612
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,260
social promotion, this is
another and this is gonna be a

613
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:53,580
live conversation that me and my
dad had about schools, because

614
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:58,800
He is an educator. He was
saying, I don't care how big you

615
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,770
are, if you're reading on a
third grade level, you were in

616
00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:06,030
the third grade, right? Could be
12 years old at his, quote

617
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:08,850
unquote, black school, the
teacher wasn't passing you,

618
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,090
right? It wasn't. If you ran a
third grade level, you weren't a

619
00:42:12,090 --> 00:42:14,640
third grade, if you weren't
third grade math level, they

620
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,360
will keep failing you and
failing you, fail you until you

621
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,850
actually perform well. We all
know how that how

622
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,150
that worked out. We all know
what changed over the years.

623
00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:29,220
So what happened was, and I
don't know if this cost teacher

624
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,980
was scared to be called racist
if they felt a bunch of black

625
00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:36,240
kids. Well, you the black family
was being destroyed. At the same

626
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,600
time, the black community was
being destroyed at the same time

627
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,300
through urban renewal. But
that's another show for another

628
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:47,640
day of and now you have these
kids going into their

629
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:55,380
environment that well, I'm gonna
let Mr. Minister J. J. Sammy

630
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:56,970
Williams and his wife explain

631
00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:00,870
it. In the black community, we
were prepared by setting setting

632
00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:05,580
goals, objectives for ourselves.
This was done primarily in the

633
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:09,030
home, in the church, and in the
school at that particular time,

634
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:12,570
because schools have a heavy
reinforcement of our characters,

635
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:16,170
because they were black schools.
Schools were not integrated at

636
00:43:16,170 --> 00:43:21,390
that time. You know, do the best
that you can with your life. You

637
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,880
are unique, you have a
contribution to make, you have

638
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,230
something to offer, you have a
talent, you have skills, many,

639
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,750
many other things that you do
have going out there into the

640
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:31,440
world and get them

641
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:33,449
and who was

642
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,660
Jay Samuel Williams. So J Sami
when he was just a minister, but

643
00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:43,560
I thought this video on YouTube,
him and his wife, speaking on

644
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:47,940
black schools before
integration, and just to get

645
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:51,090
perspective for somebody that
age now we can like I said, I'm

646
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:56,040
40 years old, I didn't go
through the changing of a school

647
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,060
so I can have a perspective by
wanting to get someone of that

648
00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:05,580
age that experienced the as it
was happening. So we can get

649
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:10,110
some perspective of what it was
like from a person that attended

650
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,620
black schools, but prior to
integration. So that's that's

651
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:18,930
what Mr. J. Samuel provides to
this. Got it to this story.

652
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:27,360
Yeah, so he, like you said, it's
something about I've had white

653
00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:30,510
teachers now have had black
teachers. I've had good

654
00:44:30,510 --> 00:44:34,530
teachers, I have bad teachers.
What is something about a

655
00:44:34,530 --> 00:44:38,250
teacher that has a certain
vested interest in you in you?

656
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:49,050
And and you get that from black
educators? Now I can't speak as

657
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:51,870
far as it doesn't happen between
the phenomenon between white

658
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:57,540
educators and white students,
but they don't allow you to

659
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,770
quit. They don't allow you you
to listen and I'm just speaking

660
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:04,350
from the 80s. When I went to
school, I had one teacher Miss

661
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:08,310
Mrs. Tab, and she would die,
just give it to you straight.

662
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:11,730
Like, you know what life is
going to be like, you know how

663
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,530
the world is, and in there will
talk to you in a certain way

664
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:20,430
that I think maybe a white
teacher may not feel comfortable

665
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:21,420
with saying to you

666
00:45:21,450 --> 00:45:28,350
Well, I've certainly and I think
that's that's when the life of a

667
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:32,700
teacher is most beautiful when
they connect with a student. And

668
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,150
I've had that certainly with one
history teacher and one

669
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:44,220
geography teacher. But I never
received an any kind of talk

670
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:48,090
from them about hey, now, you
know, you know, you know, where,

671
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,650
how this is all going to wind up
the way I think that you got

672
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:57,810
that. So having that connection
with a teacher is universal. The

673
00:45:57,810 --> 00:46:02,730
downside? I don't think anyone
said well, you're gonna you're

674
00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:04,380
gonna wind up on the streets
dead.

675
00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:10,200
It's funny, my dad was an
educator, and he chose to go to

676
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,650
the worst school, whatever it
is. He like, what's the worst

677
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:16,830
school? See me there? Yeah, he
was kind of like, he was kind of

678
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:20,250
like Joe Clark. I mean, knowing
you

679
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,050
doesn't surprise me, your dad
did.

680
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:28,140
What he will bring kids home and
like, my mom would like fix big

681
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:31,920
pots of spaghetti. And we've
been like three or four

682
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,560
students. And I mean, all our
teacher salaries. So? Yes, so I

683
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,010
just think but you don't get
that now. I don't think because,

684
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:46,170
well, these days, it's legally
dangerous. You know, you'd be

685
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:50,460
there. Before you know you've
been accused of some wrongdoing.

686
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:53,610
It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff
you can't do anymore. As a

687
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:54,090
teacher.

688
00:46:54,810 --> 00:46:59,370
I totally agree with you. But
now not to go down. I'm off on a

689
00:46:59,370 --> 00:47:03,810
tangent. Let's get back to Mr.
J. Williams, or Samuel Williams

690
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:04,200
to

691
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:12,630
relative to white America, we
were taught that a lot of the

692
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:16,050
values a lot of the values that
were that came into being was

693
00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:21,420
sent by a middle class, let's
say white America, the way we

694
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:26,130
were to emulate them, you know,
because at this point, we're at

695
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:32,100
the very threshold of
integration. Immolate them, take

696
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:37,350
on many of these as much as
possible, middle class values

697
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:44,250
and virtues. That was a kind of
an inferior stigma placed on

698
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,340
black people you have to watch.
But you have to look through it

699
00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:52,860
to see exactly what you know.
The real truth behind that is a

700
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:56,640
stigma of inferiority. You're
not exactly what you shouldn't

701
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,460
be. You know what, you need to
do this, you need to do this.

702
00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:03,810
And so in order to be in order
to be accepted in the white

703
00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:05,820
world, into a white culture,

704
00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:09,450
yeah, well, that's what you're
gonna get, of course, like it's

705
00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:13,950
so it's almost obvious that that
that was bound to unpack that

706
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:17,100
way. Well, you got to do it this
way. Well, that's not where I'm

707
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:21,270
coming from in life. Well, tough
shit kid. I can see where that's

708
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:25,350
a problem to the whole thing is
a mess. But this goes

709
00:48:25,350 --> 00:48:28,140
back to the conversation that we
had about your friend coming

710
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:32,160
over. You just wanted to play
right. This is what this is what

711
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:36,600
Jay Samuels Williams is
explaining him I know. We have

712
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,590
to you know, we you watch
something and you want to

713
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,400
emulate it not for a simple fact
that you think is you put it on

714
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,040
a pedestal but you like Oh,
well. I'm sure you had this when

715
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,240
you went to Dutch school. Dutch
school you like what are the

716
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,540
Dutch kids doing? What's not
what's considered normal? Let

717
00:48:54,540 --> 00:48:57,930
me tell you or detsky Let me
tell you, they they did division

718
00:48:58,350 --> 00:49:02,610
completely differently. They
didn't even have a one number

719
00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:05,790
over another a number with a
vertical line. It was a was a

720
00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:09,630
slashed line. It was like what
the hell? It's like, okay, well,

721
00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,760
I guess I do it that way, which
I had no background in it. Very

722
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:19,380
messed up. It is a gyp this
whole school system is a big

723
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:19,830
chip.

724
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:24,180
And that's why you felt like the
kid when you came, he was

725
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:29,280
carrying that on his back, like,
oh, we have to emulate what we

726
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:36,030
think middle classes. Because
you're trying to convince people

727
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:40,380
that you belong belong there.
Yes. And there was never a point

728
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:43,440
of time where you could let your
hair down and be you

729
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:47,280
know, were there any child
psychologists involved in these

730
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:51,720
in these rules and regulations
and this whole thinking process

731
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,930
or was it all just we know
what's best for the kids? I just

732
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:55,890
wonder about that.

733
00:49:56,039 --> 00:50:01,049
It's progress. I mean, it's
probably is 100 Yeah, we don't

734
00:50:01,049 --> 00:50:03,779
care about kids crying in the
street talking about the world

735
00:50:03,779 --> 00:50:05,609
is coming to the end of eight
years. Oh, it's

736
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,510
material. It's great for the
photographic material, it would

737
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:10,860
look great on my resume.

738
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:14,850
Right now, not only that, but
who can fight against crying

739
00:50:14,850 --> 00:50:20,940
kids? Yeah. So these are how
these hobbies these kids were

740
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:25,260
being used. And my just my
opinion, and it wasn't even

741
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:28,290
successful or a fruitful.

742
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,290
Thank you. I mean, oh, it's one
thing. And look, it's like, if

743
00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:33,510
you're going to you if you're
going to abuse your kid for the

744
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:36,960
greater good. I mean, that's,
that's a very big sacrifice to

745
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,930
make. But if it were a misguided
cause that Well, here we are,

746
00:50:43,350 --> 00:50:46,500
look at where we are today, then
it's kind of sad than it was.

747
00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:50,340
Maybe people really believe this
was way to do it. I'm not in

748
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:52,890
their shoes. These aren't. These
are some smart people.

749
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:59,370
Yeah. But who do dumb things.
There were smart people. But it

750
00:50:59,370 --> 00:51:05,040
was my question, was it a status
thing to say all my kids go to

751
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,820
the, to the white school? And I
mean, this is a real phenomenon

752
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:14,430
that I want to bring up and we
don't discuss it long, but a lot

753
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:18,720
of times, quote, unquote, black
people would like to be the only

754
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,490
black in a situation. This is
real. I'm the only black that

755
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:26,790
live in my neighborhood. I mean,
that means is that a good

756
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:27,240
hazard?

757
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,370
Is that a good thing? Is that
how it's viewed? Yeah,

758
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:35,910
I made it. I in this is real. I
mean, this is a real sentiment

759
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:39,960
of it's cricket and backwards in
my book, but that's like, what

760
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:42,450
do you have any friends or
acquaintances who were in that

761
00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:44,040
situation? would say it that
way?

762
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:49,920
Not in that way. Okay. Not it's
not they don't say it like that.

763
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,070
But it's in place where you can
say something. Yeah. And it's

764
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:55,950
the receipts. Telling me you
walk around saying,

765
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,380
I'm doing a podcast with that
white dude.

766
00:52:02,610 --> 00:52:04,860
I made it to the top of the
podcasting game.

767
00:52:05,309 --> 00:52:08,549
That's right. I'm here. That's
just me. You don't see another

768
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:11,819
white podcasters hanging around?
And do you any black ones? Yeah,

769
00:52:11,849 --> 00:52:12,689
exactly. Right.

770
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,500
Right. I wouldn't ever do that.
Because it's like, and just to

771
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:17,160
be of course

772
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,270
not, of course, I get it.

773
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:23,910
Now. I'm only saying is. It's
the opposite. Yeah. It's because

774
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:28,950
like, yeah, that's another show.
But I mean, yeah, it's just that

775
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:31,980
you have this gauge, like, Oh,
am I keeping it real enough? Or,

776
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:35,790
you know, it's a mental thing.
And it's like some people they

777
00:52:35,790 --> 00:52:40,110
don't cares. They want to make
it away from their own people.

778
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:46,830
And that's the case this whole
episode hear that? They didn't

779
00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:50,730
want equal schools. They didn't
want better schools. It was

780
00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:55,020
they want it. They want it to be
over there with them. Yes,

781
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,020
yes. And this, this is one of
the things that we go back to

782
00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:01,350
the white flight with Michelle
Obama. It was like, yeah, all

783
00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:07,110
the white people left. And then
but who moved in, right. Black

784
00:53:07,110 --> 00:53:10,740
people. So you have a problem
with black people that you ran

785
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:16,740
from? Is this weird thing this
goes on. But I'm taught that you

786
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:17,250
three,

787
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,550
it brought about some stuff
prior to because in school, we

788
00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:23,850
were taught, we had we had role
models, like I've mentioned

789
00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:27,030
before, we are role models, and
our teachers, you know, instill

790
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:32,070
self pride. And we just knew
that someday, you know, we

791
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,790
wouldn't want to be like this,
all the time, that someday we

792
00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:39,060
were going to be somebody. So we
just, you just kept that in your

793
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:41,820
mind that one day we're going to
leave Prince Edward, we're not

794
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:44,610
going to be in followed the rest
of our lives, you know, and for

795
00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:46,260
the most part most of us did.

796
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:51,990
So she just goes on to speak
about what was the steelton

797
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:56,100
instilled in them by the
teachers that they had at their

798
00:53:56,100 --> 00:54:02,310
all blessed school. So I just
think if it's your choice, you

799
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,550
want to integrate his school,
that's fine. If you feel like

800
00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:09,510
you know, you want that balance.
That's fine. The problem I have

801
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:13,530
with the whole situation is to
twofold. One, the schools got no

802
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:17,550
better and to the kids were
forcing it to an environment

803
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:23,670
that really caused him. Stress.
Yeah, and living with a person

804
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,970
that never really got over it
being my father, he never really

805
00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:30,900
got over that. I mean, cuz it's
just it's a culture shock. Oh,

806
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,030
as you spoke about, you're
saying in the Netherlands is

807
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:33,180
that?

808
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:40,350
Are there any success stories of
very successful black Americans

809
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:44,400
who went through this process
forced, forced or not, but went

810
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,600
to a white school and then
became XYZ

811
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:54,690
from Allah Harris. She says she
was bused. I said black. I said

812
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:58,800
black Americans. Well,
technically, technically,

813
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,270
please. I don't think that's
true.

814
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:11,580
But I'm talking more about you
know, back in the in the

815
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,550
60s 70s. Here, the time we're
talking about,

816
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:18,720
I think a lot of your
politicians, I mean, this is a

817
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,990
reality all Condoleezza Rice
comes to mind, right? Cory

818
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:26,520
Booker actually good. I mean,
so, but because of their

819
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:30,390
economic status, right, allow
them to live in the good

820
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:33,750
neighborhood. This is the
missing piece here. Yeah. That's

821
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:38,310
why I talk about proximity is
because your family was

822
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:42,030
economically forced, and they
are successful. I don't want to

823
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:45,030
say forged tonight, it was a
luck thing, but they worked hard

824
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,240
to move it to that neighborhood,
and your kid kind of deserves to

825
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,680
go to that school. But did you
think 10 steps ahead, like,

826
00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:55,620
what's the environment really
gonna take the toll he's gonna

827
00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:59,190
take on my child, send them to
an all white school where they

828
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:03,360
were, as a show good shout out.
Everybody Hates Chris. Yeah. And

829
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,390
it did, where he was
academically gifted, and he got

830
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:13,170
to go to all white school. And
he was the only black kid. And

831
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:16,860
like, you don't want to be the
only anything anywhere. Right?

832
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:21,300
That's not a good thing to be.
So I mean, I don't think the

833
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,760
parents really thought it out.
It was like, oh, yeah, we're

834
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,420
gonna make history or, you know,
my kid's gonna, you know, be,

835
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:29,070
you know, right on the front.

836
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:33,179
Right? Well, but I can see
parents, if it's not thought

837
00:56:33,179 --> 00:56:35,609
through thinking of this is the
opportunity, I want my kid to

838
00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:39,749
have this opportunity. And
really not thinking it through

839
00:56:39,749 --> 00:56:40,439
as a kid.

840
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:47,040
True, but it does have long term
effects on the child and didn't

841
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,430
have long term effects on your
community. Because what ends up

842
00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:57,090
happening is maybe that student
that's super intelligent, super

843
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,410
charismatic, needs to be an
example for his fellow Black

844
00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:07,200
students. Right? You start
pulling all the gifted kids out

845
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,410
of the schools. That's why I was
I was totally against No Child

846
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:12,810
Left Behind. And every right
then you leave just

847
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,680
the rest of you literally leave
the rest behind.

848
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:20,190
Right? It's like, oh, yeah,
okay, you can read out all the

849
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:22,110
kids can read on school, that
we're gonna move them out to

850
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:26,340
another school. So why are you
leaving behind? Yeah, who, you

851
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:29,550
know, where's the tutoring
coming from? Where's the peer

852
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:34,290
level? Inspiration coming from
nowhere, you have a bunch of

853
00:57:34,290 --> 00:57:38,550
kids that Anna has had to deal
with your self esteem as well,

854
00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:42,930
like, oh, they just left me. You
know? Yeah. So

855
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:47,040
Well, again, again, all of this
comes from a completely failed

856
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,300
policy idea, which everybody
bought into, instead of the

857
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,120
obvious, which is, hey, let's
make our the schools in our

858
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,050
neighborhood better.

859
00:57:57,540 --> 00:58:01,110
Alright, so let's continue on
with top values for

860
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:06,480
so we learned to work within the
confines to be creative, as much

861
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,680
as possible, to make us as black
people say, love to make do with

862
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,960
what you have. And by this
adaptability to this old inner

863
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,190
culture, you know, this is what
brought brought forth many other

864
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:23,970
things, many of the qualities
and the strengths, and admit

865
00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:27,900
that we had to live beyond where
we were, you know, we were not

866
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,170
taught just to watch what you're
watching right now. You know,

867
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:33,660
there's to look down, right?
Where you in the 50s. But look

868
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:35,790
ahead, there's something out
there, you know,

869
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,970
go get it. So that's just him
continuing on with what they

870
00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:47,070
were. What the they were of the
day. Yeah. And what they were

871
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:50,370
given from the I just want to
highlight that because everybody

872
00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:53,670
wants to make this make it seem
like, it's a couple of things I

873
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:56,730
want to tear down here. What
everybody want may seem like the

874
00:58:56,730 --> 00:59:00,000
old black school was just
terrible. Yeah. I mean, no,

875
00:59:00,030 --> 00:59:06,300
there's some very prominent
black high schools even today.

876
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,510
One of them being I think it
still opened in Durham, North

877
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:13,710
Carolina call hillside High
School. That was the town I grew

878
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:17,340
up in. And I really wanted to go
to that school. But my dad was

879
00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:22,140
like, Nah, you're not going to
hillside. Oh, why not? Why not?

880
00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:27,420
Because they had already at the
year I was, let's see. So I was

881
00:59:27,420 --> 00:59:32,580
in high school from 94 to 99.
This data had been getting out

882
00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:39,330
all the effluent shoe kids. It
was like the school for the

883
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,620
quote unquote ghetto. Now,
obviously, I'm sorry. I mean,

884
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:46,800
because it was it was no more
middle class in this school

885
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:54,540
district. You see, I'm saying so
I was like my dad has this now.

886
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:58,410
He was like, Nah, that's not
gonna happen, even though he

887
00:59:58,410 --> 01:00:01,440
would go teach at that school.
He will lie in but he didn't

888
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,510
teach you that school because he
was at the worst school and that

889
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:07,500
like there was like the
behavioral school. But so you

890
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,960
say you want to like not you
wanted to be a Hornet.

891
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:13,680
Yes. hillside Hornet.

892
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:18,090
Right. Because I just love, I
meant to be honest with you. And

893
01:00:18,090 --> 01:00:20,730
me, this may sound funky, but I
just like always felt

894
01:00:20,730 --> 01:00:23,040
comfortable around being around
all black people. Sure, I

895
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,800
haven't went to historically
black college for that reason,

896
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:32,460
it was just a little inside
baseball, as a black child, you

897
01:00:32,460 --> 01:00:34,950
only have a certain amount of
years where you can be incubated

898
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:40,770
with your own people, right?
Until you had to become

899
01:00:40,830 --> 01:00:45,660
integrated into society. So you
know, high school is when you're

900
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:49,620
young adult college is your age
when you become a real adult,

901
01:00:51,210 --> 01:00:54,330
quote, unquote, adult, but and
then, um, then you have to go

902
01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:57,480
out to the workforce, and you
really can't pick and choose

903
01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:01,050
them. So that was like, oh, man,
I want to be around, you know,

904
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:06,900
my own people. But I think my
dad had foresight to understand

905
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,750
they see like, yeah, they're not
going to accept you.

906
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,920
Right, so What school did you
wind up going to?

907
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,960
I went to Riverside High School,
which was about 5050 4060,

908
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,930
somewhere around there, which
Durham is almost like 5050,

909
01:01:21,930 --> 01:01:25,260
black, white, and Excel, which
is strange. I mean, it's a

910
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:28,680
weird, unique, I'm gonna say
unique, not weird, a unique

911
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,970
place to grow, because every
other person you see is black. I

912
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:35,820
mean, at the time I was there, I
mean, now it's a huge Hispanic

913
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:40,440
population. But yeah, it was
just, I don't know, it just you

914
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,400
just feel it. You know what I
used to think it was weird, or

915
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,730
you don't be like that Mo.
Because, you know, that's not

916
01:01:47,730 --> 01:01:49,890
the way things you need to think
integrate it, you know,

917
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,540
integration mindset. But now
that I work with a, in a

918
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:59,220
corporation that has people from
all over the world, at lunch,

919
01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:03,900
everybody sits with their own
kind, is forced is unforced

920
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,540
segregation. I mean, it's weird
go, you would look in the

921
01:02:06,540 --> 01:02:09,360
cafeteria, it's like, oh, yeah,
you have this group over there,

922
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:14,580
this group over there, you know,
is. So it's like, you will

923
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,420
actually be made feel black
people will be made, made to

924
01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:21,060
feel bad, because you wanted to
do that. But then you see

925
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:21,870
everybody else doing

926
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:27,300
so right. Now, I'll just wager
though, at your high tech

927
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:32,880
executive, you know, you've got
a lot of H two B visa workers,

928
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,290
you've got people who are in
recent immigrant background,

929
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,740
right, which is a little a
little different. But in

930
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:48,540
general, when it comes to food,
you know, I went to a an

931
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:53,190
integrated college, not very
long, because I just couldn't

932
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:57,150
stand what the hell I was doing
there. And my roommate was black

933
01:02:57,150 --> 01:03:04,380
kid from Trenton, New Jersey.
And even around foods. Yeah,

934
01:03:04,410 --> 01:03:08,460
there's so much difference in
culturally in what, what we want

935
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:13,590
to eat. Of course, we all agreed
on Mickey D's that was easy. And

936
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:18,900
I drive, but lunchtime, good
food time is always going to be

937
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:21,630
interesting. And people will of
course, gravitate towards people

938
01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:23,550
who are maybe eating something
they like.

939
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:27,810
I don't really think it's
eating. Is that when you want to

940
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:31,530
speak in your native tongue that
too? Yeah, sure. Sure. You know,

941
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:36,780
when you want to say a joke, and
not have to explain it, right?

942
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:40,380
Or in other words, it's a bunch
of different things.

943
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,920
Let me take your side. So what
you're saying is, it's a natural

944
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,370
human occurrence to want to sit
with your own culture.

945
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,850
Everybody wants to be around
their own kind. Now, can you

946
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,790
intermingle with other people?
Yeah, of course, and you

947
01:03:56,790 --> 01:04:00,990
appreciate the things that other
cultures bring, of course. And

948
01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:05,460
that's why I don't really get so
emotional about racism, because

949
01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:10,500
I have a very unique and this is
just me, I have a very unique

950
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:18,930
view on racism. Racism is a
weird form of nepotism. Because

951
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:23,250
if you were able to hire
somebody to look like you,

952
01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:26,940
you're gonna do it because
they're kind of like extended

953
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:32,070
family. That's how I look at it.
Now, do people who charge it

954
01:04:32,070 --> 01:04:35,100
with hate? Of course they do.
I'm not I'm not denying what

955
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:39,449
you're saying. Okay, well, when
you when you equate racism to

956
01:04:39,449 --> 01:04:43,439
nepotism, it's kind of the
reverse instead of, I'm better

957
01:04:43,439 --> 01:04:48,479
than my because the textbook
definition, my race is superior

958
01:04:48,479 --> 01:04:51,479
to that person's race.
Therefore, I'm going to hire the

959
01:04:51,479 --> 01:04:56,969
superior person. It's a little
different. And it's not about

960
01:04:56,969 --> 01:04:59,399
superiority. It's like well, I
feel comfortable with this

961
01:04:59,399 --> 01:04:59,969
person.

962
01:05:00,690 --> 01:05:05,460
I think is a merge of both what
you said, because there's some

963
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,420
vanity Oh, yeah, we're the best.
I think everybody thinks that up

964
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:15,330
there. Whatever group it is age
group, boom, will versus course,

965
01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:21,240
of course. So your group, you're
going to feel that you're the

966
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,950
best. And then you say, well,
since I, my groups the best I

967
01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:29,010
want to surround myself around
with that group, whether it be

968
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:33,210
to be comfortable, whether they
be understand or whether, oh,

969
01:05:33,210 --> 01:05:37,260
that's a distant cousin, me
like, oh, well, no,

970
01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:41,160
you're absolutely right. And in
the corporate environment today,

971
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,890
the biggest problem I'd say is,
of course, not racism, the

972
01:05:43,890 --> 01:05:47,850
biggest problem is ageism, for
the very reasons you outline

973
01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:51,960
there is certainly in Silicon
Valley, where there are 40 year

974
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,860
olds, 40 Plus, who are
incredibly skilled at the

975
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:59,040
technological near the
technological prowess, whatever

976
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,670
it is, let's just call it say
coding engine software engineer.

977
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,100
But they're very, they don't get
hired because people want to

978
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:09,540
have younger people around.

979
01:06:11,010 --> 01:06:14,040
Yeah, cuz they think they know,
younger people know, they don't

980
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,910
know anything. Well, true. I
would just say that's how they

981
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:23,340
look at like, know how to
download the app or whatever. I

982
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:27,810
mean, so I mean, that's why I
say this. The reason why I say

983
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:33,060
this about and I'm going to be
short on nepotism, where you go

984
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,880
into a situation you have a
mindset of and I've done a lot

985
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,690
of growing in the last I guess,
1010 years, because just being

986
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:43,980
exposed to different things. I'm
not gonna say the gender or the

987
01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:53,070
nationality of my last boss, but
the people that that person

988
01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:58,260
hired, first shared the same
nationality as them. The next

989
01:06:58,260 --> 01:07:03,570
four people they hired. Yeah,
sure. And then the next to

990
01:07:03,570 --> 01:07:10,440
shared the same gender as them.
Sure. So I'm looking at now I'm

991
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,790
like, Hold on is this. What is
this saying? Like? It's

992
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:20,910
nepotism? Yeah, it's it's a
standard form of nepotism. And

993
01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:25,380
just for a little little
comment, relief. I like

994
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:26,160
nepotism.

995
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,790
All right. Your daughter Ivanka
will be taking Caroline's please

996
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:31,740
on The Apprentice. Correct.
Nepotism?

997
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,550
That's true. Why I like
nepotism, you know, can't take

998
01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:38,850
care of your kids. You know that
better than I was a big fan of I

999
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,520
liked nepotism, I think, you
know, a lot of people say Oh,

1000
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,020
nepotism. So usually these are
people without children. I like

1001
01:07:46,110 --> 01:07:46,950
nepotism.

1002
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:53,970
And just just to be to be
completely clear, the textbook

1003
01:07:53,970 --> 01:07:56,880
definition of nepotism because a
lot of people think it's only

1004
01:07:56,910 --> 01:08:00,900
relatives. Textbook, the
practice among those with power

1005
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,950
or influence have favoring
relatives or friends. Especially

1006
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:08,730
by giving them jobs, so it's
not. Nepotism is often confused

1007
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:12,540
with only only family but family
friends. Yeah.

1008
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,670
But is that a weird viewpoint? I
mean, that's just how I look at

1009
01:08:17,670 --> 01:08:20,130
it. I mean, it sounds really
take offense to

1010
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:24,150
it. No, it sounds really honest.
But you know what it is, in

1011
01:08:24,150 --> 01:08:28,410
today's social justice world,
even saying that, and I should

1012
01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:30,990
probably play this clip on no
agenda just just to make some

1013
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:36,630
people's heads explode. Just
saying it all so wrong. So from

1014
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:41,070
nepotism, inept, a bedsheet
nepotism is will be just as bad

1015
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:45,570
certainly coming from a guy like
Trump. Do people feel just as

1016
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:49,800
bad as racism? You're sure it's
an ism. You're cutting people

1017
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,260
short you know, you're jumping
other people not getting a fair

1018
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:53,790
shot fair chance.

1019
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:59,339
But people do it all the time.
Whether it's religion, color,

1020
01:08:59,699 --> 01:09:01,529
gender, age.

1021
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:10,979
Well, I don't know. I grew up
and two things my mom always

1022
01:09:10,979 --> 01:09:16,829
said to me, and most of them no
longer apply. So now you're 15

1023
01:09:16,829 --> 01:09:19,859
years younger than I am but I
grew up with sticks and stones

1024
01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:22,109
will break my bones names will
never hurt me.

1025
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:25,320
And life is not fair.

1026
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:30,510
So that's what I grew up with.
And and I think it was important

1027
01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:32,700
that I heard that because like,
well, you know, some shits

1028
01:09:32,730 --> 01:09:35,160
unfair and oh, yeah, life's
unfair.

1029
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:41,249
Okay. And a lot of people are
unfair. They talk a good game

1030
01:09:41,249 --> 01:09:44,969
Sure. But if you if we got to
choose between this this a

1031
01:09:44,969 --> 01:09:48,989
religion of somebody that
Christian not me personally, but

1032
01:09:48,989 --> 01:09:51,509
somebody the Christian and the
guy hiring as a Christian and

1033
01:09:51,509 --> 01:09:55,019
the other guy not sure. It's
like, I gotta look out for my

1034
01:09:55,019 --> 01:09:59,999
Christian brother, which makes
it family. You see what I'm

1035
01:09:59,999 --> 01:10:03,119
Going here, but I digress on
that, but I'm just explaining to

1036
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:09,989
you. This is a lot to explain
about American history in the

1037
01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:14,399
history of race, as a lot is
baked in it is nepotism in my

1038
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:20,009
viewpoint. Sure. to expound on
that more, I have a clip from

1039
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:24,269
just to go. This is Muhammad
Ali, I think in 1971, I want to

1040
01:10:24,269 --> 01:10:26,609
say on racial integration,

1041
01:10:26,730 --> 01:10:28,710
like people to move in the
neighborhoods were clean their

1042
01:10:28,710 --> 01:10:32,010
neighborhoods. And another thing
when you say integration, it

1043
01:10:32,010 --> 01:10:35,910
comes on the end of marriage to
write together and I'm sure no

1044
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:38,610
one tells you a white person
watching this show no

1045
01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:43,560
intelligent white man and his or
her right white man. Won't black

1046
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,530
boys and black girls marrying
their white sons and daughters,

1047
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:50,070
and in return introducing their
grandchildren as half brown,

1048
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:54,330
kinky head black people, I am
sure object. You wouldn't but a

1049
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:55,710
lot of what I'm sure a lot of
people

1050
01:10:55,710 --> 01:10:56,670
don't know. What I'm

1051
01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:59,130
trying to say is is what I'm
trying to say is this. You don't

1052
01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:01,260
have it you say you don't you
don't have it, you really ain't

1053
01:11:01,260 --> 01:11:03,060
gonna have it. He's on the show.
And you got to say that

1054
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,580
doesn't that's not true? Why
would you want to do that?

1055
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:11,250
Because I don't think I'm any
different from USC.

1056
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,640
Here we are, we must different
made us different. We are

1057
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,290
different. And we all together.
Society

1058
01:11:16,290 --> 01:11:18,870
has made us different now in
that society. God made us diff

1059
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:21,300
No, no, we're just human beings.
He made all of us. We all

1060
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:21,690
listen,

1061
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,770
blue birds fly with blue birds,
Ray burrs on the birds. Just

1062
01:11:25,770 --> 01:11:29,010
listen to me when I'm wrong.
Pigeons want to be with pigeons?

1063
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:34,230
We must wish them they don't
have intelligence. But yet they

1064
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:36,600
stay together. We should have
more intelligence than them.

1065
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:36,930
Right.

1066
01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:46,680
Nice one. What you want here
this from the corporate image of

1067
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,550
Muhammad Ali?

1068
01:11:48,989 --> 01:11:54,959
No, no, no. There's a lot I've
heard on this show that I never

1069
01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:56,729
heard from the corporate believe
me.

1070
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:59,940
And that's the point of why I'm
doing this. You didn't hear

1071
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:04,290
about the burning house. MLK,
you didn't hear about this

1072
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:08,670
corporate this stance that Ali
had. And it's not like I said,

1073
01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:13,410
we all bring something to the
table. We're all, you know,

1074
01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,310
created equally, but just
differently. And that analogy I

1075
01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:20,430
use for that is a pound of
feathers and a pound of stones.

1076
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,450
They're both a pound. But
there's two different things. So

1077
01:12:24,450 --> 01:12:28,440
always, so it's not like one one
is superior, inferior. Whatever.

1078
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,220
That's not the point is that,
like peep Redbirds, like the

1079
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:35,160
mute red birds blue birds like
the blue blue birds now, can we

1080
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,470
all stand together and make
seeing this beautiful harmony,

1081
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:43,290
of course, but which you won't
hear this? Because he's like,

1082
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:44,160
it's a narrative.

1083
01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:50,220
Very, very unpopular thing to
say Mo. And I just like to take

1084
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:54,060
a moment to recognize the
conversation we're having here.

1085
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:59,070
I think it's incredibly
valuable. It is to me, and I

1086
01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:01,770
hope other people who are
listening consider that because,

1087
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:05,820
you know, take, it takes trust,
it takes work. It is a shitload

1088
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:09,270
of work. You're doing mo on
producing this. And I think it's

1089
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:12,660
valuable. And I want everyone to
consider thinking about us. Mo

1090
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:13,830
fund me.com.

1091
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:21,090
I appreciate that, Adam. And it
is is it is brave. Is brave for

1092
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:22,980
that. And I'm not saying that
because we're the to having a

1093
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:28,620
conversation, but it's
unscripted. You don't know what

1094
01:13:28,620 --> 01:13:31,560
I'm gonna come with. I don't
know what your response is going

1095
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,760
to be. But we show up every week
to have a conversation to kind

1096
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,930
of enlighten each other. Yes.
I've learned just as much as

1097
01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:44,700
I've shared, because I only can
see things through my eyes. Now

1098
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:49,260
this colorblind thing they want
to do. Oh, we're colorblind? No,

1099
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:54,990
we're not. No, no, we're not no,
no. Inessa does such such

1100
01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:57,780
disrespectful because it's like,
oh, yeah, you're not gonna

1101
01:13:57,780 --> 01:14:01,380
respect the person to see them
for who they are, you know, you

1102
01:14:01,380 --> 01:14:02,820
want them to fit inside of a
box.

1103
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:05,730
I think eventually, on the show,
we're going to pinpoint the

1104
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:12,060
moment where this all went
haywire. Where it was, it may be

1105
01:14:12,060 --> 01:14:15,900
it's a it's a long period of
time. But the idea that it just

1106
01:14:15,930 --> 01:14:19,800
does not okay to say hey, we're
a little different. Now, this

1107
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,480
show is set up to have different
you know, that's the whole

1108
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:28,080
concept is the two different two
American guys coming from

1109
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,610
different backgrounds. shooting
the shit, you're talking about

1110
01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:38,550
stuff. But somewhere, it became
very unpopular. To say, you

1111
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:42,300
know, it's like, Moe and I, we
talk two hours a week and then

1112
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:44,970
he's with his buddies. I'm with
my buddies, you know, whatever.

1113
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,780
And we don't really have
integrated lives that way. But

1114
01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:52,650
it's the way maybe it should be.
This is a very enlightening

1115
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:53,370
thought.

1116
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:01,020
And it's okay to be different.
We don't have to be This

1117
01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:06,540
culturally, society, everybody
wants to tuck their culture away

1118
01:15:06,540 --> 01:15:10,230
and like, oh, no, no, I don't I
don't, I'm not that kind of that

1119
01:15:10,290 --> 01:15:13,860
a word or this kind of that, you
know, I'm, I'm even being

1120
01:15:13,860 --> 01:15:16,710
American he's like, Oh, I'm not
that kind of American you know,

1121
01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:22,590
I'm this brand safe Americans
like no, I'm me.

1122
01:15:22,620 --> 01:15:25,080
You know I like it at the
military is actually a good

1123
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,150
example but a buddy of mine taxi
Eric in in Amsterdam. He's a cab

1124
01:15:30,150 --> 01:15:33,630
driver, but he was on an oil rig
for eight years. Yeah, that's

1125
01:15:33,630 --> 01:15:38,640
like two weeks, three weeks on
two weeks off. And, and he would

1126
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,650
tell me stories because you
know, you fly it was in the

1127
01:15:40,650 --> 01:15:44,280
North Sea. So you'd get on a
helicopter very dangerous. You

1128
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,910
know, with 25 people in one
helicopter, you land on this

1129
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:52,680
little pinhead in the middle of
the the angry sea. there and

1130
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,770
it's all different backgrounds,
particularly from Europe,

1131
01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:59,970
there's guys from Croatia,
there's a Polish there's a lot

1132
01:15:59,970 --> 01:16:02,550
of British there's an even
differences with the Irish and

1133
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:05,730
the Scots, the Dutch, the
Belgians, and they all come

1134
01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:08,820
together and they all perform
this miraculous dangerous work

1135
01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:12,690
on a on a drilling platform. But
he was saying, yeah, the Brits

1136
01:16:12,690 --> 01:16:15,090
are over there that drink in
their stuff, and that and you're

1137
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,270
sure we hang out, but we work
really well together. And, and

1138
01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:21,270
we're professionals. But yeah,
it was, you know, those guys do

1139
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:23,490
that. And they have that and
they got their special meal and

1140
01:16:23,490 --> 01:16:26,610
do their thing. And those guys
like to stay up at night. And

1141
01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:29,760
somehow that's just the way it
works. But it also just worked

1142
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,180
because they all wanted to be
there for a common goal. But it

1143
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:36,150
was the differences that gave
him the interesting stories.

1144
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:38,730
Like, oh, those guys were crazy.
He's what they used to do.

1145
01:16:39,810 --> 01:16:46,950
And to speak on separation. Your
is mostly white people, quote

1146
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:49,320
unquote, white people, I mean,
just the use of the corporate

1147
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,740
designation, but they are
separated into small little

1148
01:16:52,740 --> 01:16:59,820
nation to Hell yeah. So it's
like, it's okay for them to say

1149
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:03,660
all non French. I'm British. I'm
this I'm that I'm Italian, you

1150
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:04,080
know?

1151
01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:08,490
Well, interestingly, no. The
European Union, the project

1152
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:12,450
known as the European Union, is
going exactly the opposite. Shut

1153
01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:15,390
up. We're all the same, we all
have the same. We have the same

1154
01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:18,960
passport, we all have the same
money. We all kind of want to do

1155
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,480
the same things. And you're
going to do it the way we tell

1156
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:24,000
you to because we're the
European Union Starfleet

1157
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,910
Command. So the globalists are
definitely moving in the

1158
01:17:26,910 --> 01:17:29,910
opposite direction, which is, I
think was what you're pointing

1159
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:31,680
out is where the friction comes
from.

1160
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,330
And that's the point of was this
a test run to say if we can make

1161
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:41,580
the total opposite merge the
rest of the world it will be a

1162
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:42,180
piece of cake, and

1163
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:44,070
I liked that conspiracy theory.

1164
01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:49,530
Because a lot of things that
came out of America and his 60s,

1165
01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:53,640
it was just pushed around the
world. And this I mean, well,

1166
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,720
60s 70s and even 80s were pushed
around the world is this is one

1167
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,710
world one everything 11111

1168
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:04,800
World one government. Imagine
all the people

1169
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,640
write the Coca Cola thing. Yeah,
exactly.

1170
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,210
So Well, that was different.
That was that was I'd like to

1171
01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:18,480
teach the world in perfect
harmony. That was a very good

1172
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,450
example of they have a Colors of

1173
01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:29,550
Benetton. So I have a clip from
Mr. Malcolm X. And he's going to

1174
01:18:29,550 --> 01:18:34,140
explain the difference between
segregation and separation.

1175
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:37,980
Is it fair to say as a
generality and as I said,

1176
01:18:37,980 --> 01:18:40,560
succinct way to put it that you
believe in segregation of the

1177
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,860
races, no segregation is that
which is Mr. Muhammad says that

1178
01:18:43,860 --> 01:18:47,040
segregation is that which is
forced upon inferiors, by

1179
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,450
superiors. Separation is done
voluntarily by two equals, you

1180
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:54,180
never refer to the Oriental
community in which Orientals

1181
01:18:54,180 --> 01:18:58,200
live exclusively as a segregated
community. Because they live

1182
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,810
there voluntarily. They
everything there is controlled

1183
01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:03,420
by them, the economy, the
politics, the civic

1184
01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:06,390
organizations, but the negro
community is referred to as a

1185
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:09,510
segregated community, because
Negroes are forced to live in

1186
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:13,170
that community, contrary to
their will, and they don't

1187
01:19:13,170 --> 01:19:16,230
control the businesses of their
community. They don't control

1188
01:19:16,230 --> 01:19:18,660
the politics of their community
nor their social

1189
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:24,540
life. Right. So that's the
difference between segregation

1190
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:29,100
and separation. I think we all
appreciate a little separation,

1191
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:32,730
because when you go to worship
houses, all of America, most of

1192
01:19:32,730 --> 01:19:36,540
them tend to people worship with
people that look like them, in

1193
01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:40,770
one way, shape, or form. But one
thing he brought up was the

1194
01:19:40,770 --> 01:19:45,150
control in their community. So
this is where this story hits

1195
01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:54,420
home for me. All over America.
There were small, but prosperous

1196
01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:59,640
black cities. You had a rosewood
you had Tulsa. I'm sure you

1197
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:06,480
heard of Oh, I'm Newark. Yeah, I
mean, and you're a newer Harlem,

1198
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:12,450
all these places that were was
booming, but the one and my city

1199
01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:16,740
was called Hey, Todd district.
And hey, Todd district. Well,

1200
01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:18,540
I'll let this clip explain it.
How

1201
01:20:18,540 --> 01:20:28,080
come of age when it was flush,
you know, with black businesses

1202
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,000
along fail the street along
Pedigo street black businesses

1203
01:20:33,660 --> 01:20:37,590
and commercial neighborhoods,
but you have five tobacco

1204
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:43,110
companies here universal legal
mass, who Robertson, American

1205
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:47,520
Tobacco Company Imperial. And so
a lot of folks went right to

1206
01:20:48,030 --> 01:20:51,090
tobacco facts good thing about
in megapack they were all

1207
01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:56,160
unionized jobs. So they gave you
know, black people have an

1208
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,940
opportunity to, to use against
you know, discrimination or

1209
01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:01,380
whatever else happening.

1210
01:21:02,819 --> 01:21:06,149
Okay, I'm looking this up now.
The hate tide district.

1211
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:16,740
Yep. So as a kid, they would. I
was a young Freedom Rider. I

1212
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:19,530
think it's like seventh grade.
They put us on the bus and they

1213
01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:21,930
wrote us around like we were in
the civil rights movement.

1214
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:26,430
Where was it? What is it like a
Civil War reenactment only for

1215
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:27,510
civil rights movements?

1216
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,310
Yeah, pretty much. Okay. Yeah,
so they put us on the bus. I

1217
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:34,290
mean, it was for the kids that
we know we're pretty

1218
01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:35,190
academically.

1219
01:21:35,700 --> 01:21:38,070
Is this once a year was there a
certain date?

1220
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,650
Of course you know, black
history might come on

1221
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:45,960
oh, that's right. What is that
these days? Is that March I

1222
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:53,880
forget. It's February I never
realized

1223
01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:58,320
the coldest of the short 28 days
just want to

1224
01:21:59,489 --> 01:22:05,729
find out what douchebag proclaim
that first. I wonder who came up

1225
01:22:05,729 --> 01:22:09,569
with that? That's that is that
is as fucked up as what that is

1226
01:22:09,599 --> 01:22:10,379
as very funny.

1227
01:22:10,380 --> 01:22:13,950
Everybody else getting better
monsters after us. It's like, we

1228
01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:16,530
need to swap this man out. If
you're gonna give other people

1229
01:22:16,530 --> 01:22:18,990
months. I would much rather have
June you

1230
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:28,020
need a refund on the word. Cool.
Proclaim this first I want to

1231
01:22:28,020 --> 01:22:33,480
know. That was first proposed by
black educators and the black

1232
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:36,030
United students at Kent State
University.

1233
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,570
Educators. Okay. The first

1234
01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:47,280
celebration of Black History. So
cynical MO The first Black

1235
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,970
History Month took place at Kent
State one year later January 2

1236
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:57,360
to February 28. So that was two
months, huh? Okay, President

1237
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,510
Gerald Ford recognized black
history month for the first

1238
01:23:00,510 --> 01:23:06,780
time. Thanks, Drew. Yeah, wow,
he was a bumbling fool.

1239
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:10,830
Yeah, we got Yeah. This easier
to remember. Just easy to

1240
01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:11,430
remember what?

1241
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:15,060
I'll never I'll never forget
that. Yes, I'm sure you will.

1242
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,500
And, and by the way, everybody
in case you you don't remember,

1243
01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:23,340
all of the things we discussed
are in the show notes at mo fund

1244
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:26,880
mo facts.com. As we can find all
these links.

1245
01:23:28,230 --> 01:23:32,160
So yep. So that but yeah, just
to go they will take us to hate

1246
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,520
time and they will tell us a
story of how Hey, Tom Woods is a

1247
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:40,350
dentist in doctors offices and
taxi cabs and everything dry

1248
01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:46,410
cleaners ever it was all self
sufficient part of town and, and

1249
01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:49,020
the crown jewel, one of the
crown jewels that was hillside

1250
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:56,250
High School. The black high
school. So it was this, this

1251
01:23:56,250 --> 01:24:00,510
rich history. But what they did
was and this is gonna be another

1252
01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:04,470
show for another day. They
destroyed it with urban renewal.

1253
01:24:05,130 --> 01:24:09,600
They took the Durham freeway and
ran it right slap dab in the

1254
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,010
middle of Hayti

1255
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,330
Wow. So you got a West Side east
side or north and south

1256
01:24:15,330 --> 01:24:16,200
whichever it was.

1257
01:24:16,830 --> 01:24:20,730
Yes, I think it was east and
west. Yeah. So that's what you

1258
01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:23,610
saw this same image and I
promise I'm going to do his show

1259
01:24:23,610 --> 01:24:30,510
later on. But this wasn't just a
a one off thing it was this

1260
01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:34,770
happened all over urban renewal
highways ran right in the middle

1261
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:37,770
and it was similar to what
they're doing this goes wait

1262
01:24:37,770 --> 01:24:40,740
it's a wait though back guys. I
think it's like show two three.

1263
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,740
What we talked about general
gentrification. Yeah, they were

1264
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:45,660
taking the railway in LA.

1265
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:49,260
And destroying Yes, yes, yes.
Let's see if this

1266
01:24:49,950 --> 01:24:53,910
is the same play or manual. I
said these plays work so well.

1267
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,240
That they don't have to switch
up and guess who was on board

1268
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,300
all all the black politicians
quote unquote the blue Hey

1269
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,880
there, we're all yeah bring them
on bring the money bringing

1270
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,700
money in. They destroyed the
community. And this is why you

1271
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:11,250
had a need to have integrated
schools because you destroyed

1272
01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:16,050
the community. So it's
depressing. I know

1273
01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:21,900
this is just wait, let's let's
remember to do a show on urban

1274
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:25,200
renewal. That might be a whole
show right there that's pretty

1275
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:25,440
Yeah,

1276
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:29,070
make make a market and I'll get
back to it but the reason why I

1277
01:25:29,070 --> 01:25:33,090
bring this up bring it home to
Durham is I was sitting on the

1278
01:25:33,090 --> 01:25:39,300
couch one day and this movie
trailer comes home for the best

1279
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:39,960
enemies

1280
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:54,330
and at water last night,
electrical fire destroyed East

1281
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:59,550
End Elementary School. We kind
of go to school now. Go find new

1282
01:25:59,550 --> 01:26:04,560
sewing feel nice to go. Back
kids going attempts go. Oh, come

1283
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,730
on. They're gonna pump somewhere
missing be put on the hottest

1284
01:26:08,730 --> 01:26:09,030
way and

1285
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:11,610
we're gonna be school
segregation once and for all.

1286
01:26:12,090 --> 01:26:17,880
Listen, I'm never gonna get down
to city hall tonight. Who's

1287
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:23,310
next? They say you represent a
great many people in this town

1288
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,570
and move out of bed. I'm holding
the committee meeting, the

1289
01:26:27,570 --> 01:26:27,990
council

1290
01:26:27,989 --> 01:26:30,689
will vote to either adopt or
reject school integration.

1291
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:36,330
I need to co chair humanity. And
I'm the president and clamp.

1292
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:40,800
He's about to hand you the keys
to stool integration. You go

1293
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:50,850
lock this door was you looking
at Crazy white man? Holy crap.

1294
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:58,170
This is the story about Durham,
Durham. Yeah, yeah. My city is

1295
01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:03,060
rich with history. Wow, he's
super rich with history. I can

1296
01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:06,630
see what I saw but hold on what
they're making a movie out of

1297
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:10,890
that. But of course they made it
a you know one of those

1298
01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:13,650
Boulay box office Bonanza you
know

1299
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:15,930
how it goes like, oh, that club
head

1300
01:27:19,739 --> 01:27:21,719
it got the head of the clan and

1301
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:26,670
of course like a buddy cop. It's
like a buddy cop movie. What is

1302
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,530
ours? What?

1303
01:27:28,649 --> 01:27:31,739
So we got a white dude with a
black woman and then it's a

1304
01:27:31,739 --> 01:27:35,099
button movie now. Change? Yes.
Oh, this I'd love the subtitle

1305
01:27:35,099 --> 01:27:39,779
change is worth fighting for. So
what they're gonna save it now

1306
01:27:39,779 --> 01:27:40,499
in the movie.

1307
01:27:41,729 --> 01:27:46,349
Yeah, they say but as always, I
don't go with the narrative. I

1308
01:27:46,349 --> 01:27:49,799
go get the true story behind
best of enemies.

1309
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:54,180
He was upset and I was upset.
And he was cursing and calling

1310
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:59,070
all black folks than I was
calling all white folks. And I

1311
01:27:59,070 --> 01:28:02,640
couldn't stand white folks.
Anyway, the children talk to us

1312
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:06,870
and got us together saying that
they wanted to go to school with

1313
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:10,140
each other. And then we looked
at each other like food we've

1314
01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:11,790
been arguing about the wrong
thing.

1315
01:28:12,330 --> 01:28:15,990
She was bold and clearly never
minced words activist and

1316
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:19,320
Atwater herself recalling the
moment when she and CPL is to

1317
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:22,710
have good look at themselves and
turn things around for the

1318
01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:26,340
greater good and much to their
and everyone else's surprise,

1319
01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:31,680
wonder friendship? Does he does
the talking for me starting to

1320
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:36,360
rise up heads and as Atwater
Have you read course. And Sam

1321
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,120
Rockwell as Ellis the film
explores how their relationship

1322
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,400
evolved through being forced to
work together.

1323
01:28:41,939 --> 01:28:42,839
Cpl is

1324
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:46,680
he act like he was the meanest
man in the world that wanted to

1325
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:47,610
cut his head off.

1326
01:28:48,029 --> 01:28:51,329
She can upset the world with her
mouth that she wants

1327
01:28:55,860 --> 01:28:59,490
to I take these two people that
hate each other, and they're

1328
01:28:59,490 --> 01:29:04,050
calling each other all kinds of
whatever whatnot. Let's put them

1329
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:07,410
to their kids together to school
and see how that works. What

1330
01:29:07,410 --> 01:29:15,090
could go wrong? Exactly. Best
enemies to

1331
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,319
when people say white people say
there's I don't have a racist

1332
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:23,039
bone in my body. It's like, did
they get D boned or something?

1333
01:29:23,069 --> 01:29:26,909
Because otherwise, you grew up
in a white supremacist society.

1334
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,689
Just the fact that you're going
to have biases and prejudices

1335
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:34,739
like I do. And the thing is to
work on that to acknowledge it,

1336
01:29:34,949 --> 01:29:36,509
and then like CP,

1337
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,680
to overcome that, in turn it
widened OSHA scope.

1338
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:45,420
You know, we have this myth of a
class or a society and democracy

1339
01:29:45,420 --> 01:29:51,000
for all no racism. And then
there's the uncomfortable truth

1340
01:29:51,090 --> 01:29:56,400
of our traumatic history. So it
was the intersection of race,

1341
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,990
class and gender that allowed
this story to come together and

1342
01:30:00,990 --> 01:30:04,350
to explore those issues. And
sadly, those issues are just as

1343
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:07,800
relevant today and still need to
be worked on.

1344
01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:14,910
All right. So now how do we know
how this movie ends? This 2019

1345
01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:16,050
version of history?

1346
01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:20,250
Oh, you heard him are buddies
and they get along and

1347
01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:22,650
everything's good. They live
happier. Yeah. Happily ever

1348
01:30:22,650 --> 01:30:23,910
after. Do you know how it goes?
So

1349
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:29,610
instead of instead of showing
that it's hard, and that yes,

1350
01:30:29,610 --> 01:30:33,330
people have biases on all sides,
and they like being with their

1351
01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:35,820
own kind, but they can work
together instead of that.

1352
01:30:35,940 --> 01:30:39,450
They're going to say that this
is how it works or it's it all

1353
01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:42,150
works fine. Shut up. Is that
what is that what this movie is

1354
01:30:42,150 --> 01:30:43,890
doing? Of course,

1355
01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:46,410
it all works fine, because the
intersection

1356
01:30:46,979 --> 01:30:51,179
I heard it, I heard it. I heard
it. He said it right there the

1357
01:30:51,179 --> 01:30:54,629
intersection Yes. of race. Was
it race?

1358
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,799
gender, gender, and something
else?

1359
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,740
I don't know. Does it whatever
sexuality Yeah, so um,

1360
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:06,450
yeah. Yeah. Oh, about Yeah, who
funds

1361
01:31:06,450 --> 01:31:10,500
these things? By the way, Sam
Rockwell's is a pretty big name

1362
01:31:10,500 --> 01:31:11,220
for this movie.

1363
01:31:12,090 --> 01:31:16,770
Yeah, I mean, it was a it was a
nice size movie.

1364
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,250
I got I gotta watch it now. I'm
sure it's streaming.

1365
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:23,880
I'm sure. All it Yes. Probably.
Yes to 2018 so it's probably on

1366
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:24,930
Netflix or one of those.

1367
01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:29,520
was 2009 to April five. 2019.

1368
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:34,680
Okay, I 18 Am I okay. All right.
Yeah, so yeah, here we are. I

1369
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,370
was like, what? Alright, come
on. I mean, the leader of the

1370
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:42,900
clan leader. The leader

1371
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:44,009
was in Durham.

1372
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:49,499
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Like, bro, if you can be easily

1373
01:31:49,499 --> 01:31:52,019
shaking that I'm questioning
your leadership abilities.

1374
01:31:55,050 --> 01:32:02,190
But leader he is. Yeah, it's
easy to just change him

1375
01:32:03,090 --> 01:32:11,100
right. So there's a silver
lining in all of this talk. Ah,

1376
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:15,990
so we can take a deep breath and
we have schools integrated and

1377
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:19,350
not only schools but now the kk
k is integrated.

1378
01:32:20,430 --> 01:32:25,050
kk k is rebranding itself and in
an effort to do so they're being

1379
01:32:25,050 --> 01:32:29,250
more inclusive. They are
allowing Hispanics blacks, Jews

1380
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,570
and gays to join in on the fun
now, they say that they have

1381
01:32:33,570 --> 01:32:36,360
completely changed what they're
missing admission is they've

1382
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,350
even renamed themselves the
Rocky Mountain knights which is

1383
01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:44,970
interesting. And here is what
they are arguing the kk k is for

1384
01:32:44,970 --> 01:32:50,550
strong America. White supremacy
is the old clan. This is the new

1385
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:54,030
clan but if you want to join
this new version of the kk k all

1386
01:32:54,030 --> 01:32:58,020
those wanting to join the ultra
right wing society will have to

1387
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:01,560
wear the white robes masks and
the hats that they wear.

1388
01:33:03,689 --> 01:33:07,559
This is a great clip. Where did
you get this? I missed this

1389
01:33:07,559 --> 01:33:14,099
memo. I mean, I I was at the
meeting, but I get the memo. I

1390
01:33:14,099 --> 01:33:18,449
hope you wouldn't. Of course
not. But that's I didn't know

1391
01:33:18,449 --> 01:33:21,239
about this and no one. No one
informed me.

1392
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,310
This is how far integration is
gone. You could join the clan

1393
01:33:26,340 --> 01:33:27,990
who wish which firm

1394
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:30,480
did this rebranding Hill and
Knowlton Wayne This is

1395
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:31,050
fantastic.

1396
01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:36,030
But what you want to disband the
clan. I mean like oh yes, we're

1397
01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:40,530
gonna keep the head the hoods in
the hat. And the sheets, but you

1398
01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:43,530
you you're more than welcome to
wear them. Which is

1399
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,940
this is great. And this is a
newsflash, I don't understand.

1400
01:33:48,030 --> 01:33:52,980
Why is this not top of the news?
How did I miss this? When did

1401
01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:54,930
when did this? Where did this
come from

1402
01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:58,320
this clip these clips young
young, young fairies.

1403
01:33:58,409 --> 01:34:03,059
Oh man. That's fantastic. Well,
problem solves.

1404
01:34:03,989 --> 01:34:05,189
But there's more. Oh, of

1405
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:05,879
course there is.

1406
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:08,280
But then this quote did you get
the quote from Jimmy Simmons?

1407
01:34:08,309 --> 01:34:12,179
YES. Jimmy Simmons, a president
of the Montana NAACP chapter

1408
01:34:12,179 --> 01:34:15,629
said that while he questioned
the use of the letters K K. K.

1409
01:34:15,899 --> 01:34:19,409
If the peace summit took place,
he would quote, take a strong

1410
01:34:19,409 --> 01:34:21,629
look at joining the Rocky
Mountain knights.

1411
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:25,530
This is why the NAACP is in the
risk in some places of becoming

1412
01:34:25,530 --> 01:34:29,730
an irrelevant organization. And
not enough young people in the

1413
01:34:29,730 --> 01:34:34,410
NAACP. Like who How did you get
to be the president of the

1414
01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:38,790
Montana chapter of the NAACP,
and this guy's rebranding it and

1415
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:41,490
as a big giant right wing group
and you'll have to carry what

1416
01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:45,570
kind of what kind of leader are
you? No, no, that's that's not

1417
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,130
that's not Jimmy Simmons.

1418
01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:54,570
Don't join you heard that right.
I am. My mouth is a gasp

1419
01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:04,890
this NAACP he presently is
willing to join the kk k, the

1420
01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:08,520
rebranded kk k, you let that
soak in from the original clip

1421
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:13,920
of who put Brown versus Board of
Education up to this. And our

1422
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:20,970
top that will Mr. Joel spin
Garn, who was the spa, leader of

1423
01:35:20,970 --> 01:35:27,600
the NAACP. You let all that sink
in. I put their foot there for a

1424
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:27,990
reason.

1425
01:35:28,020 --> 01:35:32,040
Yes. Well, the NAACP has been
mentioned throughout the past

1426
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,890
hour and a half in all of these
clips. And now you're gonna go

1427
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:39,120
gut punch me at the end here and
tell me that the NAACP is

1428
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,430
willing to join the kk k.

1429
01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:45,540
And take us right into that
burning house.

1430
01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:53,670
Wow. All right. Mo. That what a
journey. It's like a roller

1431
01:35:53,670 --> 01:35:55,560
coaster that ended in a brick
wall.

1432
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:57,540
I'm sorry about that.

1433
01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:59,790
Just slam

1434
01:36:01,020 --> 01:36:05,610
up join the kk k. Wouldn't it
make more sense for the K K K to

1435
01:36:05,610 --> 01:36:11,160
join the NAACP? I mean, just for
optics? You think?

1436
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:13,860
Oh, man. Well,

1437
01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:16,440
the crazy. I thought I was
crazy. I don't know.

1438
01:36:16,529 --> 01:36:20,279
So we need to follow up on this
next week. I need to know what

1439
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:23,969
happened. Yeah. And I need a
picture of the guy with the with

1440
01:36:23,969 --> 01:36:29,639
his with his hood on with the
sheets. That's, that's really

1441
01:36:29,639 --> 01:36:30,359
incredible.

1442
01:36:31,979 --> 01:36:36,479
Very, this is integration for
you. It's like, oh, yeah, we can

1443
01:36:36,779 --> 01:36:39,329
work to change our ways. But
come on, join the group.

1444
01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:43,230
So the next time you hear
something coming up in the news

1445
01:36:43,230 --> 01:36:48,450
about school vouchers, school
choice, et cetera. Think of this

1446
01:36:48,450 --> 01:36:53,310
episode and think about the
historical background of of this

1447
01:36:53,310 --> 01:36:56,430
forced integration and you got
to look at the lawyers lawyers

1448
01:36:56,430 --> 01:36:59,730
are involved in what children
are they using for this or

1449
01:36:59,730 --> 01:37:00,750
abusing for this?

1450
01:37:01,470 --> 01:37:05,580
Yes, cuz child abuse is quite
common to push political motors.

1451
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:11,640
Is that ever? Well, it
solidifies my thinking that

1452
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,670
we're on the right track with
the show mo This is one of the

1453
01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:18,360
few places you can get this kind
of honest dialogue honest look

1454
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:23,940
at historical American history.
And, and I appreciate you

1455
01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:27,030
appreciate you very much for for
doing all the work and putting

1456
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:31,230
it together. It's, it's once
again, you've made my week.

1457
01:37:32,609 --> 01:37:36,269
I'm glad I could do that sir.
And as I always say, pay

1458
01:37:36,269 --> 01:37:39,389
attention to everything and the
truth will reveal itself and

1459
01:37:39,389 --> 01:37:39,569
we'll

1460
01:37:39,569 --> 01:37:42,899
return next week here on mo
facts with Adam curry. Make sure

1461
01:37:42,899 --> 01:37:47,009
you tune in subscribe and
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