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Moe Factz with Adam Curry for
September 30 2019. This is

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episode number nine. Moe. How
you doin Adam. I'm doing good

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man. How are you?

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I am doing well, sir.

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You know, on the last episode,
we learned something really

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important. Mainly that the
elites of the world wanting to

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kill us. It's not just a white
thing. It's a black thing too. I

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was so happy to hear that. Yes,
there's a quality black elites

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want to kill everybody too. But
it's, it's fantastic.

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Yes, there's only two parties.
The elite and everybody else

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are the globalists and the I
don't know, I don't want to say

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nationalist per se, but the non
globalist perhaps right. All

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right. Look at it. Yeah. Well,
I'm very curious to see you we

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got going on today. Of course,
the way we operate the show is

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Moe does the preparation the
production gets all the clips

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together. I do not listen to the
clips. I can see by some of the

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titles though, that this just
might be a very fun show.

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It's a show that I've previously
promised and it is me being me.

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Always try to keep good on my
promises. So two episodes ago,

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when we were talking about Mr.
Shaun King. We had the colorism

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Ah, yes, the different shades of
brown and black that are

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problematic.

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Right. So what I wanted to do
here is do a deep dive. And what

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prompted me to do that is ABCs
new show mixed ish.

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In the summer of 1985, I was 12
years old, and I was living with

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my family on a commune. We ate
together, prayed together and

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even slept together. I would
have told you it was perfect.

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But the government would have
told you we were radicalized

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culture violation of over 47 ATF
regulations. My peaceful little

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world had been taken away. When
are we going back home this is

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our new home. What a base
Harrison Jackson. The third was

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my grandfather. I'm gonna

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make more real world money to
pay for this real world house

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that your entire family survival
is dependent upon.

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That is why he goes

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my little brother Johann looked
at everything like one great big

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magical adventure. My little
sister Santa Monica complain

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like a woman with no kids on our
third divorce. Which

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interestingly enough, she would
eventually become and when we

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got to school, we got introduced
to the real world. Real quick,

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what

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do you weirdos mixed with was
mixed.

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My parents had sent us out into
the world with absolutely no

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warning that being mixed was
even a thing. Imagine being the

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new kid when no one in the world
is like you. But you have to

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understand today's mix kids can
look up to rappers ballerinas

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athletes, a president and the
Princess The only heroes we have

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were demarche.

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You don't have to worry what
those other kids think they're

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idiots. And I want to be one of
them. I want to be in any

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All right, this was like an 80s
bad acid flashback for me with

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tears the fears and the bars.
Oh, who's Johnny that's all we

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missed. That would have been
fine. Wow. Okay,

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some some background on the
show. This is a spin off of the

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popular show on ABC called
Black. Yes, I

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like blackish that's pretty
good. Okay, so

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this is covering the mom's past.
Her name is rainbow. She's mix.

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Her mother is blue on the show
her mother's black and father's

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white. Which almost mirrors the
actual actress Tracee Ellis Ross

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That's right. Diana Ross's
daughter correct. So we here in

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this it was one thing in this in
this clip and I you probably

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didn't catch it, but I'm gonna
bring it up near maybe you want

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to replay it again? Just Just a
tiny bit of it. Okay, they say

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when they were born when she was
growing up MCs kids had nobody

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to look up to right now they
have a president.

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I did hear that we can look up
to everything including

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presidents. I did hear that

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President ballerina and Princess

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so we just saw this near the end
right of that clip I think

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I think it's about maybe three
fourths and on the clip. Let me

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see. Real

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quick What do you weirdos mixed
with? Let's make See,

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my parents had sent us out into
the world with absolutely no

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warning that being mixed was
even a thing. Imagine being the

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new kid when no one in the world
is like you. But you have to

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understand today's mix kids can
look up to rappers, ballerinas

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athletes, a president and a
princess. The only heroes we had

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were departure.

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No, not again. I can't listen to
the departure. Please, please.

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Read the middle of the night.

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Okay, so when they just so this
is an audio show, so we can see

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who they flashed up there but
they flashed up. When they say a

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rapper Drake.

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Let me what President Trump did
they put up Trump.

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Now it was Abraham Lincoln. It
was President Obama. Okay. And

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the the princess was

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Megan Markel.

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Megan mark,

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that was the who was the
ballerina? Ah,

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what is her name? Misty. You
got? I

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know. I know. I know who it is.
I don't remember her name. But

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yeah,

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I don't want to say yeah. So
mixed. Mix people. Right. So

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what struck me about this is now
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openly as mixed and

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instead of

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black, black. Yeah. Gotcha. We
didn't do this in 2008. And no

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one called Obama mixed. Correct.
No one called Meghan Markel. The

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first mix princess or

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knows first black princess.
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So this is why I was like, Okay,
this is perfect. It's a nudge,

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perfect jumping off point. For
to tackle this thing call

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colorism and the origin of
colorism in the black community

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Cosmo, can

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I just say, I love you, man.
Yes, this is so I love it when

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you do this. This is great.
Right into the what's going on

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in the world? Perfect. Let's

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do it. Right. So just some
background on the show. blackish

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ah, I like the show. But to use
our walk line, it has some

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problematic moments on the show.
Yes,

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it does. So like the kid wanting
to be a Republican was very

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problematic.

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Right. So the show is used as a
true propaganda we have to be

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honest, it's not just a
television show so much. So they

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had a the talk episode sponsored
by Procter and Gamble.

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Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, that
was we talked about that Procter

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and Gamble promoting the talk.
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So that fit was a whole episode
surrounding a sponsored by

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Procter and Gamble and surround
around the talk. So but I have

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some clips here just to give
some background for the people

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that haven't seen the show of
things I heard on the show that

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I found to be you know, just
kind of cringe worthy. So let's

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get into clip number two

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the time's right he's gonna have
to throw down a big diamond on

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this one. White guilt you know I
got around

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Charlie, I've never seen you use
white guilt around in

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a pub last Friday wasn't enough
to convince you crazy young

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grateful so I bet

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that's his buddy at work right?
Love that guy. Yeah, so

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they has a guy where is so as to
just some background on more

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back on the show, or you have
trade thing is Dre Johnson or

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trade Johnson one of the two.
But he's the main character he's

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rainbow are both husband. And
he's a very understanding or

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smart articulate but they work
for an ad agency which is funny

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because it gives you a little
inside glimpse into how I would

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perceive at agencies look at
black people to say what did the

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black community think about
this? Or if I have a product

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that trying to sell to black
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the conversation they had
between the two black man in the

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office was he was telling me he
had to throw down the the big

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card of white guilt. And for
example for him this and show

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that he used white guilt to get
Popeyes chicken, which we we had

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that conversation so we were co
recovering a lot of stuff here.

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So I was like that, that made me
cringe. But um, so that's one

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moment. Second moment, the clip
three, I want a strong

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black name. Okay, because we've
given our kids white names and

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they've all ended up black is I
just want at least one of my

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kids to end up being black so I
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love it. Your kids are not black
enough. Nice.

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So that mix, he used the term
black ish. So I'm like, what

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does that mean? I don't know
what black ish? Well,

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let me tell you from the white
audience. Oh, this means is

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black people who are nicely
integrated into white society

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Moe Yes. So that's a racist show
man.

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Right very, very much so. But
I'm not going to harp on that

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too much. But we can see leading
up between from history of this

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show. What we can expect to come
from the mixed it show is going

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to be into more propaganda but
I've always understood all black

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people are black. And we've
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between mixed and black. I mean,
if you black, you're black. But

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before we get to there because
we're that's where we're headed

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with this whole show. Not only
do they push agendas that are

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raised base, they also push the
agendas that are not race based,

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but one being for the
pharmaceutical companies.

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Vaccines

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mean to offend anyone? I am
thankful. vaccines have

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eradicated so many deadly
childhood diseases.

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Oh, look, we've got a show for
Big Pharma here show. In Jersey.

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We like to vaccinate our kids
the natural way by swimming in a

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polluted lake.

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Do you even know what's in
vaccines? Well, I am a doctor.

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So all of us are trying to do
what's right for our kids. But

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we can't let emotions make our
medical decisions. Frustrated

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emoji.

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No, we should let us stay at
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for us crying laughing emoji.

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Really, vaccines work? They work
so well that idiots haven't seen

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the ravages of polio firsthand.
So they start spreading lies

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snorting emoji.

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Ah ha ha ha How much are they
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bitch. I will drive to New
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kids can watch

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Hi. Nice Twitter dialogue.

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She says she's the show is
shilling for Big Pharma coming

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after the vaxxers and that's
just some background on the show

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to

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ask your question. So first of
all, Rainbow the mom in the in

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the show is Doctor. Yes. Is
there a big Is there a weariness

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in amongst black people about
vaccinations specifically or Big

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Pharma in general?

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There's a weariness about
doctors period in the black

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community. But it's too it's
like either you're on one side

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or the other strongly. One side
doesn't trust doctors. Yeah. For

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situations like the Tuskegee
incident on prod. Yeah, there's

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a couple of historical reasons
for that. Yeah. Right. So

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do you like man, and then it's
like, be a lot of times. Doctors

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are awesome bullcrap. Other Half
looks as doctors is almost like

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Jesus his right hand, man.
Right. Okay, so

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that's kind of the same. Let's
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they live in darkness while
saying doctors are highly

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exalted. Uh huh. So you don't
really have a middle? You don't

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really have a middle on doctors
or medical industry.

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Interesting. Okay. So as I said,
was I was previously stating,

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black people have really didn't
make the distinction between

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mixed and black. What we did do
was we have a stratosphere of

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blackness you have from high
yellow to dark black. Hence the

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intro song.

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Black and yellow whiskey, right.

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Right. So high yellow is like a
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then you have me saying dark
black is very black. But what

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you had was that thing called
the one drop rule. And this is

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how you see were very light
skin. light skinned people are

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embraced by black people. As us
now we might fight within

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ourselves, but you're one of us.
Ah, let's listen to Halle Berry

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on the One Drop room.

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Welcome back to news nation. A
new interview with actress Halle

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Berry is igniting controversy
today over how the Oscar winner

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chooses to identify her own
daughter in the March issue of

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Ebony Magazine. Various speaking
out about her biracial daughter

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whose father is While Mary says
she'll let her two and a half

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year old daughter Nala make her
own decision about her race when

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she's older, but Barry says she
feels like she's black because

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she believes in the One Drop
theory, the segregation era

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theory used to identify a person
of mixed ancestry. Earl Afari.

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Hutchinson is contributor with
agrio.com. He joins me live from

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Los Angeles and Earl, you wrote
that Halle Berry opened the lid

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on one of the thorniest issues
that still plagues race

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relations, and you even bring up
President Obama in your piece.

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Tell me a little bit more about
your theory here.

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Well, she actually did, she
opened up a can of worms on

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that. When we talk about race in
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black and white. But now as we
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biracial, multiracial, mixed
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now we've got all of these
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Berry essentially says,
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one, I'll let my daughter make
her decision. But and this is

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what caused the controversy. I
am African American, I'm proud

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of that. My daughter is seen as
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the way it's going to be. The
interesting thing about that,

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remember, during the election,
and before the election, it came

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up over and over again with
President Obama. What is

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lunch drop rule defined? Because
so many people I actually was

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surprised. You know, they didn't
know really, what it is and what

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it means to black people.

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Well, once again, learning on a
Monday, never heard of the one

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drop rule. Never heard of this.

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Alright, so the one drop rule,
we want to get some background

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on it. So basically, if you're
any part black, you're black.

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Okay. That's a super Oh,
simplify. You know, I have later

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clips that go into detail what
it is, but this is how you saw

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Rachel dolars owl. Yes. Yeah.
Shaun King, be embraced by him,

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Sam black black people. Because
it's like, if you have any part

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blacking you, you're black.
You're qualified. Yeah, there's

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no mix that mean? You might say,
Oh, yes, she's mixed but you

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don't refer to that person is
makes you there black. Halle

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Berry, for example. We've always
looked at her. She's the first

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black actress to win a Oscar and
a leading role. President Obama

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he's the first black president.
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is the first black princess in
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that distinction. But let's get
into the second clip. Oh, Halle

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Well, you know, when we look at
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there's no genealogical or
biological basis for race, as

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you know, everybody is mixed
with somebody else. However, it

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becomes a political designation.
So are you black? Are you mixed

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race now politics has come in
and how society perceives and

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labels individuals. In this
case, it happens to be African

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American. I just think Halle
Berry is is reflecting reality.

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Reality is role was the

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law of the land in the early to
mid 20th century, which you

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point out?

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Yes, as a matter of fact,
actually, it was encoded in law

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in Virginia, 1924, and many
other states, and essentially a

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ones Rob rule says, if you have
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whatever that is, you're African
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know, that was 60 7080 years
ago, much has changed since

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then. But then again, maybe much
hasn't changed, because Halle

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Berry is suggesting, maybe the
old rules still apply.

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But you point out this is in
your worst, this is a sad

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reminder that race still does
matter and matters a lot to many

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Americans, no matter what they
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interesting article you've
written on the Grieux. We

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greatly appreciate you joining
me in you can actually read URLs

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entire report on this one drop
rule debate right now on the

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grieux.com Thanks, Earl.

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Right, I didn't, I didn't know
it was encoded in law either.

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This is not

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so the reason why that was. So
what you had was, you've seen

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other countries, you have black
king community, you have a white

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community. And then most other
countries like say Brazil, South

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Africa. You have a what they
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mulatto group. And America, they
want to clear distinction

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between black and white. So it
was like, it was really it was a

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deterrent for people to enter
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Because it was like kind of like
a punishment this, this this how

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it's perceived to say if you
have a mixed baby, that baby is

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gonna be black, and it's gonna
suffer under Jim Crow. So you

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know, it was really a deterrent
and That's how it was set up.

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So, yes,

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and that kind of sucks.

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Very much so, dumb system.

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Okay, now, this change, though,
I guess we're the civil rights

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movement and then was Civil
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the weird thing is black people
adopted it. Because we want to

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be inclusive and our race, we
embrace everybody. So that's why

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this show mixed ish. really
threw me for a loop.

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Because it wasn't embracing it's
separating, separating.

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Now Now we're now we're going to
see with why this change all of

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a sudden, why are they trying to
divide, create, why are they

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trying to create that mulatto
group in America now? That's

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that's the real question that
I'm sold out. And I Hopefully I

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answered it today, with what
with my findings, but we also

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have Don Lemon, and he does some
background on the one drop rule.

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And the years following the
abolition of slavery, some

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Americans feared a rise in
interracial relationships. So

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states began passing laws to
make sure that any child with a

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Negro and a white parent could
be considered black and denied

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the rights of white people. In
other words, a child with even

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one drop of Negro blood would be
classified as negro. This became

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known as the one drop rule, a
standard ruled unconstitutional

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by the US Supreme Court in 1967.
This and the hardships of racism

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also caused African Americans to
pass pretend they were white

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without ever telling their
families leaving a lot of whites

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not knowing they had black
blood. But some experts on race

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relations say the legacy of the
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today's culture.

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So he brought up a great point
of passing. Have you ever heard

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this term before?

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Yes, I've heard it in the in the
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Interesting. You threw it at me
like Oh, yeah. Okay. It's

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passable, I think is what is
used? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well,

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we've seen this correlation
between LGBTQ Qi with PK and

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black people, as recent as our
last show.

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Yes. So there are a lot of
similarities there. So just go

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and get one. I'm just perplexed.
When did we work so hard to be

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have unity and the weird thing
is the reason why I say this is

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you have to understand
blackness. And that's why I want

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people to understand no matter
your shade, you're black. In the

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black community,

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except Don Lemon, who is a who
clearly is a mixed race one

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dropper, I guess somewhere down
the line. I consider myself

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black. I don't know now.

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I'm not sure. And we're going to
get to that point with you. Once

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again.

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I'm ahead of the game. I'm
sorry. Yeah, sorry about that

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you for in the future. That's
what it is. To get you a helmet.

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I just want to say, my
experience with black people and

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my experience living with black
people was in college, it

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totally inclusive. Now, granted,
they didn't see me as white and

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I grew up here from Holland
that's different. And I was

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completely accepted and
integrated. So I witnessed

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nothing but inclusiveness
myself. So I can vouch for that

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based on my own history.

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And that's what we do. That's
what we do. And like, like I

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said before, that's why I raised
the dollars out and Shaun King

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were allowed to be brought in
because if you say you're black,

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I guess so you really want to
lie about if he wasn't,

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by the way, you weren't. I never
claimed that was black, you know

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that? I think it's clear.

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Right? I'll just say it, but
that'd be like the last thing

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you would lie about in a black
person's mind. It's like, why

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would you want this burden?
Well, we're believing of people,

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I mean, perceived burden. So
we're very believable people.

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But let's get into the
downloadming to

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explain what the one drop rule
is. the one drop

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rule, historically, also known
as the rule of hypo descent, was

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really instituted to protect
whiteness. It was a way for the

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white majority to be able to
name and incite who was white.

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it was one drop, which is
1/32 130 seconds

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of Negro or African blood would
make that person Negro or

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African. Whatever the
classification they used at the

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time.

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I hear people say we're in a
post racial society.

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The reality is in order to get
beyond some thing you have to

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understand it right? And where
in your education where have you

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been required to learn about
race? They don't teach it. No,

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it is the foundation of this
country. We have to talk about

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race. We have to talk about
racial difference. It is just a

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flat out lie for us to believe
that we've moved beyond race.

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Who was this? This was this
doctor? Yabba whatever. Yeah,

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it's not a Yaba Blay she's she's
she has a one drop of foundation

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where she's studying the one
drop rule. And if you heard what

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she said, the one drop rule
scientifically was if you're 130

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seconds black. So let's take
Megan Markel, for instance,

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she's half black, her child will
be 1/4 Black. Wait a minute, is

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that only 33%? Is that enough?
Not as well. 25 or 25%? It's not

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Yes, yes. So so so his child
could, okay, her child could

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just to give you a sample, her
child can marry a white person,

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have a child, that child will be
1/8 Black. That child can marry

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a white person, that child will
be 116 black, and then that

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chakra mirror white person, then
that child will be 1/32 Black

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and that will still be
considered black. Okay, no

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matter and that's the thing.
Yeah, that child would not

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appear to be black at all. Megan
Markos child doesn't appear to

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be black at all.

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We never really seen the child
have we? I thought it was kind

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of upset. Yeah, yeah,

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they have a picture out and it
was floating around. And it was

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it was mean. I was like, Yeah, I
was surprised to go come across

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your black Tama cuz it was like,
this is the Black Prince.

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I know. What am I thinking?
Well, I tried to avoid the

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gossip from royalty in general.
So that's probably what happened

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there.

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But just to give you an example,
but if a person was to say that

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we will be accepting Him, not to
harp on it anymore, but just as

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the background of the one drop
rule. Let's listen to the last

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and final limit clip. Let's talk

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about colorism mix I write about
I have a book and I write about

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colorism, about the difference
between having light skin and

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dark skin light skin was you
were a bit more privileged and

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still in society people think
that way but it used to be

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worse. Let's talk about the
privileges of having light

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skinned even if you are a person
of color.

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Whiteness is normative. So what
that means is that whiteness has

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come to define what is human
what is valuable, what is

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beautiful. So when we look at
women, the ways in which we

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determine a woman's beauty is
based upon her proximity to the

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white ideal aquiline features
straight hair, perhaps colored

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eyes, different complexion and
the same holds true for men. So

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again, I think subconscious or
otherwise, historically, what

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that has has said or
communicated is that if you are

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have lighter skin, we can assume
that you have white in your

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blood and to have white in your
blood makes you less African

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makes you less barbaric, makes
you more civilized.

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That's not heavy assumption.
Yeah, no kidding. But I did have

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a listener contact me. And he's
from India. And keep his name

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you're saying anonymous? He said
all the things we stayed two

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shows ago about colorism. Oh,
true India.

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Oh, and but there it's real
classist. I would presume.

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But yes, it's it's very, it's
very classist. And you know, I

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think for not for certain. The
caste system is somewhat based

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off of corrupts color. Yep. So,
we were going back and forth on

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Twitter, you're saying in DMS.
And I asked him I said, I've

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noticed just just to kind of low
sidebar here. Because I want to

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make sure this is not a black
only issue. This is a light

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versus dark issue. And we're
gonna get into the more

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multiracial mixed race
interracial stuff soon, but we

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have to understand, from my
perspective, the background and

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all this. So I was asked him, I
said, Hey, I noticed none of the

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guys I've worked with from
India. Wives are darker than

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them is Oh, yeah. Ah, he's, he
said, so that's a true

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observation. So it's this weird
thing, or I don't know if it's

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conscious or subconscious. But
um, do we do we like in beauty

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to a fairer skin? I don't have
an answer for that. I can speak

447
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:42,060
personally. I am a darker skin.
And the weird thing was when I

448
00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:44,610
was attempting to date,
especially in high school,

449
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,940
because I met my wife very
early, but in high school, none

450
00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:50,220
of the dark skinned girls were
interested in me.

451
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:59,790
And I would say that from a
white person's perspective, tans

452
00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,610
are all always seen as
beautiful, you know, the nice

453
00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:08,520
bronze Sheen is desirable. So I
mean, yeah, there's, I think in

454
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,380
fashion today, there's
definitely an admiration of

455
00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:18,600
extremely white, but with
freckles or red hair, and stuff

456
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,410
like that, but I think in
general was still no look at

457
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:25,530
women putting on makeup the
white women putting on makeup

458
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:29,040
makes them a darker tint. It's
just the fact.

459
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,080
And it's the complete opposite.

460
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:39,270
We're all moving towards the
brown the mix dish. What are we

461
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:42,870
doing? We're all gonna be one
indistinguishable peoples

462
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,310
all right in the show.

463
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:50,520
I'm sorry, I slept six hours.
You know, it's like it's long

464
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,590
for me. I'll shut up

465
00:30:52,590 --> 00:30:57,750
now. No, no, no. It's funny. You
always pick up where I'm going

466
00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:02,010
here. But you it's very true.
We're working our way towards

467
00:31:02,010 --> 00:31:06,120
the middle. Ah, and we've
already heard the term tall,

468
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,210
dark and handsome. Yes, yes. So
colorism. colorism and this is

469
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:17,580
an aspect of beauty has been
around forever is not a factor

470
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,380
as for black men as big or as
big a factor for black men, as

471
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:26,640
it is for black women. Black
women are harder hit by

472
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,300
colorism. But now so we have the
color spectrum laid out. But we

473
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:38,670
have to ask how do we get there?
How do we get to mix to light

474
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:43,620
scan to dark scan? And build do
explains that,

475
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,990
that you actually created a
documentary called Dark girls

476
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:56,070
and light girls? Yes. And this
actually was based on your own

477
00:31:56,070 --> 00:32:01,020
personal experiences. Seeing how
how women of different

478
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,420
complexions were treated as you
were growing up?

479
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,540
Yes, how I was treated how I saw
women being cheated. But more

480
00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:15,420
specifically, racism in our own
community. Based upon slavery

481
00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:23,100
principles. A lot of the racism
in our community is based upon

482
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:28,290
the house Negroes versus the
feel negros and the house

483
00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:35,730
Negroes were the ones who masa
had sex with a slave. And she'd

484
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:42,150
have a baby. And because they
were mixed black and white. They

485
00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:45,840
have the privilege of working in
houses, servants, cooks, maids,

486
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,430
etc. But if you were dark, he
worked in a field from sunup to

487
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:58,470
sundown. And that was the
division and the field Negroes

488
00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:01,860
were not fond of the house
Negroes because they had

489
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:06,780
privileges and the house Negroes
were not fun the fuel negros

490
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,990
because they were privileged
until this day, if you go online

491
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:17,550
under Hashtag team mites can
hashtag Team Dark skin. You'll

492
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:22,350
see lights can black women and
dark skinned black woman broken

493
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:28,530
over beauty issues. And each of
them has over 300,000 members.

494
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:31,920
Bill Duke of course. famous
director.

495
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:37,740
Yes actor and director Yes. He
explains the phenomenon called

496
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:40,710
the field Negro versus the house
Negro

497
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:44,040
it's just very interesting. My
perception and understanding is

498
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,700
always again just just from my
perspective, has been the house

499
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,400
Negro was kind of like a trader
you know, the house Negro is

500
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,060
just someone who was sucking up
to the Massa I had no idea of

501
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:57,060
this, of this part of this
aspect of it.

502
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:07,560
That is a true observation you
made because but you got to look

503
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,710
at the psychology behind it. And
that's that's why this is why I

504
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:17,130
have these conversations. Why is
the house Negro looked at as

505
00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:18,240
favorable to Masson?

506
00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:22,560
Well now now I know your
genetics. Yeah, yes, of course.

507
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,880
Now I understand. Sure.

508
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:33,479
This is my child and could you
imagine, oh, the Oh, shame that

509
00:34:33,479 --> 00:34:38,099
a woman had to have if she had a
light skinned child. Sure. You

510
00:34:38,099 --> 00:34:41,159
can't hide that. I mean, you
have three dark skinned children

511
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,669
and then this one light skinned
child. Everybody knows what this

512
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:50,129
the root of that was. So is
there is there's built in

513
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:56,399
animosity there. But in favor of
the house negro. They will be

514
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:00,209
able to inherit land. A lot of
times they were will their

515
00:35:00,209 --> 00:35:06,209
freedom upon Massa Dion, he
would set his children free. So

516
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,859
adore slave times you had this
you had that subculture of

517
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:16,499
mulatos. But that's why they
instilled the one drop rule. Got

518
00:35:16,499 --> 00:35:22,769
it. So what it did was forced
these two groups that had all

519
00:35:22,769 --> 00:35:28,799
this animosity that together
because the house Negro couldn't

520
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:32,099
identify with the field Negro
because it's like, man, you you

521
00:35:32,099 --> 00:35:35,819
live in a house and you eat
massive scraps, and, you know,

522
00:35:35,819 --> 00:35:41,789
he share his blood. So you're
not black enough. Um, but on the

523
00:35:41,789 --> 00:35:42,989
other hand, it's like,

524
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,110
no, you gotta, you gotta drop.
You're not really one of us.

525
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:47,100
Right?

526
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:50,970
Yep. And but then the one drop
rule forces, the two things

527
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:58,200
together, and house Negroes were
typically the founding members

528
00:35:58,260 --> 00:36:02,850
of what would be considered the
Boulais. Because of that

529
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:11,220
privilege, yeah, it was so fast
for you say, post recruit, or

530
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:16,290
reconstruction, or you had a lot
of mixed race people. Black, I

531
00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:20,640
mean, I consider them black. I
don't make that distinction. But

532
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,920
you had a lot of mixed race
people that were land owners and

533
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,170
occupy and political office. And
as we spoke on the last show,

534
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:35,580
all a Rockefeller money came in
to create these Learning

535
00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:41,970
Institutes. Yeah. And at these
Learning Institutes, where a lot

536
00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:47,130
majority fair skinned black
people, let's just be honest

537
00:36:47,130 --> 00:36:53,190
here. Oh, so much. So there was
a letter discussing this from

538
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:55,170
Howard University in 1928.

539
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:04,770
Paper Bag test letter from 1928
addresses black fraternity and

540
00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:10,770
sorority colorism at Howard
University. Ever and anonymous

541
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:15,330
rumors and reports come out of
our college and institutes that

542
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:19,620
color prejudice is an evidence
and color discrimination

543
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:26,430
practiced. We are not so
surprised when we hear such

544
00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:30,810
rumors and reports about
institutions of learning owned,

545
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,820
controlled and attended by white
people. But it certainly comes

546
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:39,450
as a great shock and causes a
feeling of shame. When we hear

547
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:44,160
such news about Negro colleges.
At first glance, it would seem

548
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,820
incredible that negros
themselves the victims, victims

549
00:37:48,060 --> 00:37:51,510
of ignorant prejudice and
discrimination because of color

550
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:55,470
should follow the lead of the
Nordics and yet a sophomore at

551
00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:59,340
Howard University, our proudest
institution of learning makes

552
00:37:59,340 --> 00:38:02,310
such a charge against the Negro
fraternities and sororities

553
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:07,680
their writing in the hilltop a
campus publication. The student

554
00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:11,730
Edward H. Taylor alleges that
the Greek letter organizations

555
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:14,940
are behind the movement, which
results in splitting up the

556
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:19,950
various classes into groups of
different shades, yellow, brown,

557
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:23,100
and black. According to this
young man, the light skinned

558
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:26,820
students are sought after by the
fraternities and sororities,

559
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:31,440
particularly the ladder as
members and the dark ones passed

560
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,850
by the darker brown students.
They inform their own cliques

561
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,140
while the blacks are left out in
the cold. This is the most

562
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,240
disgraceful situation
imaginable.

563
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,850
Wow. To Howard is Kamala
Harris's alma mater, I believe,

564
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:49,950
yes, historically black college

565
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:52,980
and she's a member of one of
those fraternities

566
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:58,320
of the Boulais. Just say, yes.
And secondarily, I want that

567
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,360
guy's voice. The set of pipes on
that guy, right, yeah.

568
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,900
So that was a reading of that
letter for 1928. Addressing the

569
00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:12,420
colorism at Howard University.
Oh, so it was

570
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:16,230
it was like you're black in the
historically black system?

571
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:20,610
Yes, yes. You're black. It's
like we're black, but it's

572
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:27,390
different variations of black.
Like we went outside force comes

573
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:33,360
at us. We clean together. But
inside, there's a lot of

574
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:37,320
infighting. And I hope people
notice this throughout every

575
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,400
show I've made they divide black
people want every distinction

576
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,150
possible.

577
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,720
And just as a parallel, this is
the same with the LGBTQ

578
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,590
community, which is not a
commute. I've always said I grew

579
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:55,350
up in Amsterdam around a lot of
this. There's no community.

580
00:39:55,860 --> 00:40:00,660
Yeah. It's actually unfairly and
I would say insultingly lumping

581
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:01,740
everybody together.

582
00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:07,440
But the weird thing about
colorism just just background is

583
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Yeah, I have two brown skinned
children. I have two lighter

584
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,780
skinned children and

585
00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:13,890
you mentioned this before.

586
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:20,370
How does this happen? Because,
okay, going back to my lineage

587
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:26,370
on my dad's side, my grandmother
is fair skinned. My grandfather

588
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,470
on my dad's side is dark
skinned. on my mom's side, my

589
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,580
grandfather's fair skinned it.
And my grandmother, my

590
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:38,940
grandmother on my mother's side
is dark skinned. Walker Brown,

591
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:39,030
how

592
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:39,780
about your wife?

593
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,420
My wife is lighter skinned. Got
it? So it's like, where did that

594
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:50,850
come from? I mean, so here's the
thing. Just because you're light

595
00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:54,660
skinned, don't mean you're
biracial. Because we, we've had

596
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:57,930
many, many generations of light
skinned people to intermarry,

597
00:40:58,650 --> 00:41:02,220
that they're considered just as
black as I am. But they have

598
00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:04,860
fair skin. And then with
genetics, you know, you never

599
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:09,600
know what you're going to get
out the crapshoot. Right. So

600
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,440
this is the weird, that's where
it differs from other

601
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,750
communities. Because you can't
just divide and say, Okay, you

602
00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:21,060
are over here, you are over
here. How would you divide my

603
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:24,480
children? You know, would you
say, Oh, you too light skinned?

604
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,600
So you go on this side? Are you
too brown? Brown skinned? You go

605
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,190
on this side? So it just makes
for a weird problem.

606
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:35,610
Can I ask you a personal
question? Yes, sure. Do your

607
00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:37,590
kids have issues amongst
themselves?

608
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,110
No, because I'm glad you asked
that, because it leads us to the

609
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:48,150
next clip. The education has to
come from the parents to say

610
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:50,880
there is no difference. When I
see a light skinned person, I

611
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,080
don't see them as being any less
black. I judge a person on their

612
00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:03,390
actions and where what they hold
what they hold what they hold in

613
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:07,710
there. And apart Yeah, and
importance on going I hate to

614
00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:10,290
keep going back to these people.
But that's why you can have

615
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:12,990
people like Shaun King and
Rachel Hollis out to come in.

616
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:15,360
Because if you judge them on
that standard, like hey, they're

617
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,580
members of the NAACP. They're
fighting for what? What is

618
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:25,170
perceived to be black, right?
You know, not their skin color,

619
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,850
their black. But you asked a
great question.

620
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,710
No, it was not a great question.
No, it

621
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:39,840
was because Matthew knows who is
Beyonce, his father is gonna

622
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
explain that one of your answers
to the root of this.

623
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,970
Now, in your book, you said that
your mother would tell you Don't

624
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:50,670
ever bring no Nappy Headed Black
Girl to my house.

625
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:55,380
Yeah, which was wrong. You know,
that was an era in the South

626
00:42:55,410 --> 00:43:03,150
that a lot of black women felt
women of color felt. And she

627
00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:07,590
consistently said that in it, I
internalized that. And because I

628
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:11,070
internalized that and because I
was one of the flak first blacks

629
00:43:11,070 --> 00:43:14,250
in junior high one of the first
in High School University of

630
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:19,830
Tennessee. I dated white girls
when I was a kid, because I

631
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:23,550
internalized my mother's saying,
Don't ever bring no black nappy

632
00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:24,360
hair girl.

633
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:27,780
Well, I mean, that's kind of
kind of interesting because your

634
00:43:27,780 --> 00:43:28,830
mother she dark skinned,

635
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,279
kind of in the middle, kind of
in the middle kind of in the

636
00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:32,939
middle. So

637
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:37,800
was she saying don't bring home
a girl that looks like her? Or

638
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:40,170
darker than her or what what
exactly

639
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:44,790
did I internalize it to be even
darkness or or her color adore a

640
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:46,710
darker so so what what was
really going through

641
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:49,980
your mind when when your mother
is saying don't don't date

642
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:51,180
someone who looks like me?

643
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:55,560
Because I internalized that that
was ugly, not attractive, not

644
00:43:55,830 --> 00:44:00,840
the right person, type of girl
that she wanted me to date or

645
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,930
have a relationship with. That's
how I internalized it.

646
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,030
And of course he married

647
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,210
Tina Tina Knowles, who

648
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:13,350
was light skinned. Yes. And he's
dark skinned.

649
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:20,670
Well she's actually biracial as
me like that's the thing is

650
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:25,470
yeah, she's by what she's light
skin. But you have to ask a

651
00:44:25,470 --> 00:44:28,050
question that I go on this show
we're gonna be having a

652
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:32,580
psychology that his mother tell
him that because he she didn't

653
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:36,930
want her grandkids to have the
perceived burden that she had.

654
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,060
Possibly, you know, procreate
with a lighter person because my

655
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:47,400
grandchildren will have a better
opportunity that

656
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,230
sounds like something a
grandmother would do.

657
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,970
Right was seen as hateful.
That's why it's this weird

658
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:56,640
thing. Yeah, that's why I say
it's a great question because

659
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,770
you set it up. Well if We were
that way we will be teaching our

660
00:45:01,770 --> 00:45:05,880
kids that but we tell them all
shades are black you know there

661
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,620
is no black but you're saying
black or because your skin

662
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:14,790
color. But there is a black now
don't get it twisted. And we

663
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:19,290
push that heavy in my house and
it's out of a sense of I like

664
00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:23,250
being black. I don't see it as
being a burden as some people

665
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:29,490
see it you know, I embrace it. I
think we are some of the most of

666
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,350
this is just to me, it was an
interesting people.

667
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:39,960
Interesting show fact. I've
never seen you know, once once

668
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:43,830
honestly, once we were setting
up Skype, the webcam went on. Oh

669
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:47,670
boy, I gotta be honest. It was a
dark room. I couldn't see. I

670
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:49,860
have no idea what you look like
I really don't.

671
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:54,960
I don't it wasn't. It was a dark
room. So it doesn't matter

672
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,870
is it? That's what I love about
a podcast, you know who the hell

673
00:45:57,870 --> 00:45:59,280
knows? It could be.

674
00:46:01,050 --> 00:46:06,720
But I don't embrace that self
hate. I never I was never

675
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,200
allowed

676
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:07,919
to know.

677
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:16,080
Me embrace you know, our that
and that's where we're headed in

678
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,930
this conversation. That's why I
take what's happening. It's such

679
00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:19,470
an offense,

680
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,320
and it's against Martin Luther
King's words.

681
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:25,230
Just not a man of color of

682
00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:27,359
his skin, but on the content of
his character.

683
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:33,060
His character. Yes. But in with
in house. We judge people based

684
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:37,290
solely on the color of their
skin. Yeah, and it had they had

685
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:42,390
the jump higher hurdles. As
you're seeing here. I mean, the

686
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:45,090
pre in the previous clip demand
brought up the brown paper bag

687
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,790
test. Yes. And this is this is a
real

688
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:50,280
I've heard of I've heard of the
brown paper bag test. I've heard

689
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,450
of that. In

690
00:46:51,449 --> 00:46:54,299
South Africa. They had I believe
what it's called the pencil

691
00:46:54,299 --> 00:47:00,419
test, not only a skin color, a
big issue and um, and black

692
00:47:01,139 --> 00:47:07,949
people's and the black sphere or
realm. hair texture. Yes is

693
00:47:07,949 --> 00:47:10,889
another thing. So in South
Africa, they do what is called

694
00:47:10,889 --> 00:47:13,769
the pelsall test. If the pills
could be placed into your hair,

695
00:47:13,769 --> 00:47:21,089
and it falls out that you pass.
Oh, wow. So speaking of the

696
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,749
brown paper bag test, Matthew
knows Beyonce Father speaks on

697
00:47:24,749 --> 00:47:25,049
that.

698
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,150
Fortunately, we had scrim just a
little small black school, you

699
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:33,810
know, larger schools screaming
small black schools, or play

700
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:39,090
them in an initial year season.
And this coach at Fisk

701
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:45,570
University whispered in my ear,
because I play very well in the

702
00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:49,800
scrim is that if I ever wanted
to go to Fisk University, to

703
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:53,370
just call them and I remember
that to transfer

704
00:47:53,370 --> 00:47:58,440
to Fiske transfer to Phys. But
Fisk had the color, the brown

705
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,400
paper bag test brown paper bag
tests, this is a real thing.

706
00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:07,170
Oh, absolutely. This is a known
thing in a black community. I

707
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:08,580
remember a bag test.

708
00:48:08,610 --> 00:48:12,690
I remember a zillion Banks was
lightning or skin at one point.

709
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:17,490
And she was talking about the
brown paper bag test and how

710
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,750
black guys respect to brown
paper. A well known fact. I'd

711
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:24,330
never heard of it until she said
it. I didn't realize how far

712
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,870
back it goes. Yeah. So they
pulled out a brown paper bag

713
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:33,240
know how I worked. This is I
transferred in at 72. Okay, and

714
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:37,830
how and it was the last class
that they did the brown paper

715
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:41,760
back and they will ask you for a
photo you had to submit with

716
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,590
your registration. And they
would put the photo up against

717
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,090
the brown paper bag.

718
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:51,090
Okay, and Fisk was a was a black
primarily black school

719
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,580
who was all black 100% Black. So

720
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:56,760
you have a 100% black schools
that would not admit dark

721
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,620
skinned people if they were not
athletes.

722
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,230
That's absolutely right. Or if
they were women, and they had a

723
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:09,480
very prominent families of very
wealthy families that donated a

724
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,030
significant amount of money to
the school.

725
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:19,800
What's wrong with you black
people Moe Wow, that's crazy.

726
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,930
When you go back to the origin
of colorism and the difference

727
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,120
in the color, you see, it goes
back to the house negro. And the

728
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,050
field negro.

729
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:32,460
And this. This was

730
00:49:32,489 --> 00:49:40,559
1972 1972 Wow. That's why we
that's yes. We went for 1928

731
00:49:40,919 --> 00:49:45,719
tonight to 72 He said he was the
last class. Oh, but did you

732
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,149
catch at the end there? Yeah.
Oh, if

733
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:51,360
you had some money, then it was
a different story.

734
00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:52,799
Does that sound familiar?

735
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:57,690
Yeah, like every university
known to man,

736
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,750
but no in the recent interest
Didn't news Yeah,

737
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:04,650
of course we got the birdies who
buy in a kid's way and of course

738
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:12,600
you could do it with colorism
too. Yes, so crazy yeah So out

739
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,590
of all the things I listed in
the eight previous shows that

740
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:21,480
divide our people you top this
was on top of it on the surface

741
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,680
level I mean not No pun
intended. But you know on

742
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,650
clearly and it's it's not only
there in 1972 By the

743
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:37,590
way May I make a suggestion? Yes
this is a different yet correct

744
00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:45,780
example of institutional racism
Yes. Just want to put it out

745
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:49,830
there. Haha, just as bad is
just, you know, look at where

746
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:52,350
it's happening that's that's
phenomenal to learn. This

747
00:50:52,949 --> 00:50:56,999
is like I said, it's
psychological. Because when you

748
00:50:56,999 --> 00:51:03,869
see you're going to hear how the
effects of it even to this day,

749
00:51:03,899 --> 00:51:06,779
like Bill Duke said in the
previous clip, he said You can

750
00:51:06,779 --> 00:51:11,909
go now online and look up team
light skin, Hashtag team light

751
00:51:11,909 --> 00:51:15,209
skin, or team darts cannot and I
challenge the people our

752
00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:19,439
listeners to do that. Just so
you can see aspect and it's very

753
00:51:19,439 --> 00:51:24,929
hateful. It's so hateful
actually, so hey, well so much

754
00:51:24,929 --> 00:51:29,399
so I would like to see them
remove this is some kind of hate

755
00:51:29,399 --> 00:51:33,209
communication and I'm not one of
the people you know, for

756
00:51:33,209 --> 00:51:37,169
removing communication but it
that's what it is. And you can

757
00:51:37,169 --> 00:51:40,049
see it hit the road I mean, you
see the rubber meet the road.

758
00:51:40,409 --> 00:51:43,829
And this net clear with the
print family now background on

759
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:47,939
the prints family. They are a
YouTube couple and they

760
00:51:47,939 --> 00:51:53,399
basically document every moment
of their life like lives on

761
00:51:53,399 --> 00:51:59,759
YouTube. Now the the ticker name
is Bianca, Prince. She is very

762
00:51:59,759 --> 00:52:08,099
fair skin and she is the product
of a biracial relationship, and

763
00:52:08,099 --> 00:52:15,779
the man is dark skin. But let's
listen to her and accusations

764
00:52:15,779 --> 00:52:17,279
against her about being a
colorist.

765
00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:20,670
For sure, for sure for sure

766
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,570
the prints families video about
the birth of their daughter was

767
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:28,290
supposed to be a beautiful
family moment. But after they

768
00:52:28,290 --> 00:52:32,220
posted it to YouTube, some
commenters complained about how

769
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:36,180
Mama was talking to her new baby
who was

770
00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:40,560
born sorry. Light blue eyes. She

771
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,090
did that pretty. Baby Nova Grace
Prince was born last month.

772
00:52:45,180 --> 00:52:49,740
She's the third child of Bianca
and Damien Prince. More than 3

773
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:52,500
million people subscribe to
their YouTube channel to

774
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:56,430
experience all of the family's
intimate moments. But some

775
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:59,850
people who watch the video took
issue with what they called

776
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,530
Bianca's complaints about her
daughter's eyes, as well as the

777
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:07,290
parents comments about her skin
colors. Yeah.

778
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:14,880
So Bianca, she is giving birth
to the child. I mean, this is a

779
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:19,650
opera room an operating room but
delivery room footage. You

780
00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:24,360
should have seen that the stain
on her face. Because the baby

781
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,420
didn't have blue eyes. She said
I wanted her to have pretty

782
00:53:27,420 --> 00:53:33,420
eyes. She doesn't have pretty
eyes. Now imagine being born to

783
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:41,670
a mother like that. Straight
out, pushed out. And the baby

784
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:46,890
you hand the baby to the mother
and she's like, Oh, like this is

785
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:51,990
one time I wish to show this
video. Because it made me mad

786
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:56,520
now and then I don't really get
triggered by anything. Yeah,

787
00:53:56,550 --> 00:54:00,690
pretty much. But just you're a
child. This is supposed to be

788
00:54:00,690 --> 00:54:03,960
the most joy. You know, because
you worry birth defects. No, no,

789
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,630
those kinds of things. You take
that sigh of relief. I went

790
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:10,680
through it four times. And it's
like everything's okay tamping

791
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,230
your teen toes. You know,
everything. Exactly.

792
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:16,320
Kids breathing. Got ahead. Got
ahead. Yeah, we got ahead. Yeah,

793
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,260
it's good. It's good, too. And
of course, you always your child

794
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:21,420
is always the most beautiful
thing in the world. I was

795
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:23,700
supposed to be Oh,

796
00:54:23,729 --> 00:54:30,719
always but her you should. It
was disgusting. The look on her

797
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,749
face and the dads kind of like I
know he's recording now that he

798
00:54:33,749 --> 00:54:38,489
hasn't meant to do the wet
mental awareness. Like we're

799
00:54:38,489 --> 00:54:41,189
taping here. You know? I mean,
do you understand how you he's

800
00:54:41,189 --> 00:54:42,419
like, yeah, the baby is pretty.

801
00:54:42,449 --> 00:54:46,889
I mean, even basically a reality
show on YouTube, even if it's

802
00:54:46,889 --> 00:54:50,339
done in the I've done reality
shows I had my own reality show.

803
00:54:50,339 --> 00:54:53,519
I know how they weren't. I mean,
do people say all kinds of stuff

804
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:56,189
that may not be what they
exactly believe. Just like in

805
00:54:56,189 --> 00:55:00,419
real life, people make up crap
all the time. Regardless This

806
00:55:00,479 --> 00:55:03,929
it's still incredibly weird for
her to do that. And while the

807
00:55:03,929 --> 00:55:07,799
clip was playing I did indeed
look up team light skinned Team

808
00:55:07,799 --> 00:55:09,689
Dark skin. It's quite a thing.

809
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:15,749
Yes, it's quite an it's more
leaning towards white male.

810
00:55:15,779 --> 00:55:16,079
Yeah.

811
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,920
Oh no, it's all I see. 95%
Female polo team dark skin seems

812
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,990
to be a lot more male than
female or more male than on Team

813
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:28,710
light skin.

814
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:35,430
Interestingly. Yes, so the I
have a second clip of the prints

815
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:38,880
family. If you would like to
play that one.

816
00:55:39,179 --> 00:55:44,399
Oh, look at them. They look so
cute, you guys. Yeah, you can

817
00:55:44,399 --> 00:55:49,529
see her nails do the current
year. You see it is dark.

818
00:55:49,590 --> 00:55:53,250
Some comment or say the princess
seemed disappointed in their new

819
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:57,240
babies appearance and even went
so far as to accuse them of

820
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:01,110
colorism, which means to
discriminate based on the color

821
00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:04,560
of skin. A lot of people was
joining us on the 32nd clip that

822
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,620
was posted on these other
platforms. Bianca and Damian

823
00:56:07,620 --> 00:56:11,010
posted a response video
clarifying their comments

824
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,000
when I said I wish you had
pretty eyes. I didn't literally

825
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,670
mean she doesn't have pretty
eyes. You don't say I didn't

826
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:21,240
mean? Oh my gosh, my daughter
has ugly eyes. When I say pretty

827
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,680
eyes. I meant the term of green
eyes. Have you ever got a

828
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,650
compliment about your eyes? It's
almost like colors. I wouldn't

829
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:36,030
even like black people at all.
You got a choice? No, no. So

830
00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:39,840
this, like I said, my daughter
was ugly. They went on

831
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,600
to insist they are loving
parents to all of their

832
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,840
children. Despite the
controversy, the princes say

833
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,590
they're not taking the video
down, which for them will always

834
00:56:49,590 --> 00:56:52,470
be about one of the best days of
their lives.

835
00:56:53,250 --> 00:56:58,500
Okay. So as I said before, the
husband in this situation or the

836
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:02,520
father in this situation is dark
brown skin. And she made the

837
00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:07,350
point she said if I didn't like
dark skinned people, I wouldn't.

838
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:14,580
Yeah. But this is where we go.
Black men don't struggle with

839
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:20,520
colorism as the way females do.
I would like to see if this

840
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,410
child was male, I would assume
it's just my assumption. Her

841
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:27,870
reaction would have been
different because it's a little

842
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:33,030
bit more acceptable. I'm way
more acceptable that black dark

843
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:36,810
males are are attractive to me.
Like I go back to the statement

844
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,630
tall, dark and handsome, tall,
dark and handsome. Well, I

845
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:43,740
think the fashion industry has a
big role in this not just

846
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:48,900
fashion but fashion media. What
is considered beautiful is it

847
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,660
we're seeing it changed before
our very eyes by the way,

848
00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:56,130
curvier. Bigger woman, bigger
women are now considered

849
00:57:56,130 --> 00:58:00,450
beautiful. I'm not saying
they're not. But we came a long

850
00:58:00,450 --> 00:58:03,090
way since the Twiggy days if
anyone would that's I know it's

851
00:58:03,090 --> 00:58:06,870
a show on my age here. But just
go back to the models on the

852
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:10,530
runway in the 80s, who had the
heroin chic, you know,

853
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:14,400
completely falling down. I'm so
skinny look. And if you go back

854
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,400
in history, we have Rubens
Rubenesque women who are very

855
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,460
similar to what is considered
beautiful fashionably beautiful

856
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:24,240
today. So it's, I always feel
bad for women in general, the

857
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,910
way the culture treats them
based upon how they look or how

858
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,500
they can make themselves look.

859
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:35,610
And that's the power
advertisement working in a

860
00:58:35,610 --> 00:58:40,950
negative way as it doesn't does
frequently what they put they

861
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:45,000
paint the picture, but we see
this, and I'm not gonna go too

862
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:48,600
far this tangent, but we see
this with men. Short, man.

863
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:51,930
Yeah, yeah. Tall, dark,
handsome. Short, don't doubt.

864
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:52,950
Yeah, that's right. Right.

865
00:58:53,969 --> 00:58:58,289
So nobody wants to short son.
Nobody.

866
00:58:59,009 --> 00:59:02,249
Or Kevin Hart. Man, Kevin Hart
got a real bum deal, didn't he?

867
00:59:03,029 --> 00:59:06,629
Yeah, he's short and really
black. Oh, gosh, but it works

868
00:59:06,629 --> 00:59:09,809
for him. It does. Of course.
What I'm saying

869
00:59:09,810 --> 00:59:14,790
is he turn that he has a
character that he plays called

870
00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:19,230
Chocolate draw, which is weird.
But yeah. So like I said, we

871
00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:21,510
don't struggle. Black men don't
struggle with this as much as

872
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:28,320
women do. Um, and these things,
as Matthew Knowles stated, as we

873
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,830
seen with the prince family,
they have real world

874
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:38,130
implications, where it has a
real effect on particularly

875
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:44,490
women psyche. So a Vanya Van
Zandt, that's she's on the own

876
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:48,630
network. And she she was brought
up by Oprah. She had this talk

877
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:54,330
about colorism. Let's hear
colorism dark talk about as a

878
00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:55,230
coffee girl,

879
00:59:55,830 --> 01:00:00,450
what you've experienced
personally in the world and From

880
01:00:00,450 --> 01:00:02,940
your lighter skin systems,

881
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:07,590
I always felt some type of
inferiority. didn't feel like I

882
01:00:07,590 --> 01:00:10,410
was good enough. I just didn't
feel like I added up and

883
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:14,880
especially growing up in the
South, you know, the boys would

884
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,090
always like light skinned girl
with the good hair. And so I

885
01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:26,730
didn't feel like I had enough to
get the cute guy. And until I

886
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,160
believed that I was just that
dope, because I just know I am

887
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:35,040
now. It just it festered in me
for quite some time. And how did

888
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,950
it come out? It came out in a
lack of think and a lack of self

889
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:43,320
esteem. Probably more so than
not just feeling inadequate,

890
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,630
really feeling inadequate.

891
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:51,570
So you can see how it plays on
people's psyches.

892
01:00:51,630 --> 01:00:56,250
Yeah. An additional data point
in there, which I've heard. I

893
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,370
think the first time I heard it
was Arsenio Hall said like

894
01:00:59,370 --> 01:01:00,360
Oprah, Oprah has

895
01:01:00,510 --> 01:01:05,880
the good hair. Yeah, and that's
what I was speaking about before

896
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,840
it, not only is it skin color is
hair texture, where straight

897
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:17,310
hair or wavy, wavy, straight
hair? Well, anything not nappy

898
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:20,340
is considered what they call
nappy in SL, where you have the

899
01:01:20,340 --> 01:01:27,450
tightly curl hair is considered
a bad hair. I didn't really dive

900
01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:30,180
into that, because I'm not I
don't want that kind of smoke.

901
01:01:35,219 --> 01:01:39,809
Not going there because that the
hair thing is a hole. That is a

902
01:01:39,809 --> 01:01:40,649
third rail.

903
01:01:42,210 --> 01:01:46,080
You don't Yeah, black men don't
talk about the hair thing.

904
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:48,450
Anywhere where a black woman
could hear it is that what I'm

905
01:01:48,450 --> 01:01:49,410
understanding from you know,

906
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,700
what I'm saying is you can't
win. But no, you can't Oh, so I

907
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:57,270
don't I don't pick fights. I
can't win. Go. But on the

908
01:01:57,270 --> 01:02:05,100
inverse. On the inverse of the
dark, precede problems. light

909
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:06,780
skinned women have problems too.

910
01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:12,090
What's been your experience? I
was always told, you know,

911
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:17,760
you're the milkman, baby or, you
know, you you can't be my

912
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,610
friend, you know, because the
guys are gonna like you more

913
01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:24,120
than me. And so you know, you
can't be my friend. So I felt

914
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:29,400
like an outcast and I would get
in fights literally, with brown

915
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,450
skinned girls that I never even
knew their names. And my dad had

916
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:37,470
to teach me how to fight because
I got picked on so much. Even

917
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:41,040
one time when I was in the ninth
grade. I had a girl come up and

918
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,880
cut my hair all the way up to
here. A chunk out of my hair.

919
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,300
Brown Skin girl passage. Thank
you cute because you got long

920
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,380
hair. How do you feel now? So I
cut it all off and Iraq was

921
01:02:55,470 --> 01:02:58,170
short. It was curly and then
it's so you think you're cute

922
01:02:58,170 --> 01:03:01,950
because you got curly hair? You
know, so I was constantly

923
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,820
fighting. So you know, I found
the light skinned girl being my

924
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:08,100
friend and that's who my friend
was.

925
01:03:10,860 --> 01:03:15,120
You know? I when I saw an
article the other day I didn't

926
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,690
send it to you. This happened to
a black girl in Northern

927
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:20,520
Virginia your neck of the woods
just recently.

928
01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:26,280
I saw on the local news. Yeah,
that was she had dreads but I

929
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,810
think that was a more of a
bullying case okay more than

930
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,080
self inflict what I mean by self
inflicted afflicted by another

931
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,490
black black person. Okay, gotcha
but what I want to say here is

932
01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:42,060
you can see the pitting of these
two people against each other

933
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:50,430
sure it's a push in a pool so
you can't win you can't you know

934
01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:58,470
because it goes back to the to
the house Negro feel Negro the

935
01:03:58,470 --> 01:04:01,590
other looking on the other side
the grass is always greener Well

936
01:04:01,590 --> 01:04:01,680
of

937
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:09,120
course it is there in Is there a
commonly accepted celebrity who

938
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:15,930
has the quote perfect skin tone
as in like brown paper bag

939
01:04:15,929 --> 01:04:23,549
perfect would I say has been the
safest

940
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:27,630
NO NO NO NO like the perfect the
most this oh this this person

941
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:31,080
has exactly the right amount the
right shade the right tone is

942
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:37,080
anyone that both sides except
universally. Brock Obama Thank

943
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:38,910
you beautiful Okay, gotcha

944
01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:46,589
because he wasn't seeing as
light scan but he wasn't seeing

945
01:04:46,589 --> 01:04:51,419
as you know as dark skin I mean
he was actually not think about

946
01:04:51,419 --> 01:04:57,569
it. He's probably is the color
of a brown paper bag. Which I

947
01:04:57,569 --> 01:05:02,969
wonder no Calculating he is I
wonder if his ball plan but

948
01:05:02,999 --> 01:05:04,229
that's fantastic. Okay,

949
01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:05,430
what did you answer the
question?

950
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,960
I had to think if I had to think
yeah, um, but because I'll be

951
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:15,330
honest with you, it's in
Hollywood. The LIDAR scan works

952
01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:21,360
for you oh for hell because he
Well, it works for you up to a

953
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,720
period. When you're younger it
works for you because you get

954
01:05:24,750 --> 01:05:31,140
all the six symbol roles. But as
you see in Halle Berry

955
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:31,860
disappeared,

956
01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:34,170
we have assorted Wesley Snipes.

957
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,240
Well, what I mean is you can't
play that. You don't really get

958
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,350
those motherly roles,

959
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:43,230
right? Because he's two lights
because he's very light skinned.

960
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:45,690
Since he's too light skinned.
She can't really she isn't

961
01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:48,000
doesn't he's not passable? Was
that what do we say then? In

962
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,200
that case, in an older role,

963
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:52,559
what I'm saying is, she doesn't
have that. Well, we want the

964
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,099
motherly role. And I'm just
going to Hollywood casting hat

965
01:05:56,129 --> 01:05:59,579
on. You want the you know, the
mother roll, you want the you

966
01:05:59,579 --> 01:06:05,339
know, the darker skin? Look at
any movie, the black mother is

967
01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:06,839
typically dark, darker than

968
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,210
the child. Wow. Okay. Yes,
gotcha.

969
01:06:11,550 --> 01:06:18,570
So, in the previous clips, we
heard a term called passing. And

970
01:06:18,570 --> 01:06:22,770
you even mentioned that you
heard this and in the trans

971
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:29,160
community. Sure. So passing is
when you're probably at the 1/8

972
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:34,890
to 116, maybe even 1/4. As I
said before, Megan Markel child

973
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:40,170
is probably going to look pretty
much white. And if you didn't

974
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:46,110
know his mother, he could pass
you know, he could, he could

975
01:06:46,110 --> 01:06:50,970
work his way into why society.
So I'll recover this on the

976
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:52,140
pressures of passing

977
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:55,980
and certainly the whole passing
thing that's a whole nother as a

978
01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:58,770
whole nother subject the passing
thing, but you know, the thing

979
01:06:58,770 --> 01:07:02,010
about passing for those who did
pass and Lita was saying this

980
01:07:02,010 --> 01:07:06,900
for and her family once you pass
the decision to pass beans,

981
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:10,530
you've given up your whole
entire family, you know, that

982
01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:13,920
you can never go back because
y'all understand that right?

983
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,500
Because if you're passing you
just can't have your black

984
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:24,330
mother show up. You just cannot
explain for black women in your

985
01:07:24,330 --> 01:07:24,810
kitchen

986
01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:30,300
that's old Oprah because I can
tell she has a very It must have

987
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:31,500
been a long time ago that clip

988
01:07:31,530 --> 01:07:34,470
Yeah, that was an older show.
And the case in point. Oh

989
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:42,630
passing is Miss Megan Markel. If
you didn't know. And I covered

990
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:46,440
this on a previous YouTube video
but if you didn't know her

991
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,660
background, you wouldn't know
she was part black.

992
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,840
No, the Brits still haven't
figured it out if they actually

993
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,250
knew they'd be up in arms Moe

994
01:07:56,820 --> 01:08:04,350
well, well well. I think that is
proper Ganden. And his push for

995
01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:09,570
the for the thesis statement of
this show once I get there that

996
01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:16,740
she is one one. Are you telling
me here? Oh one Harry is not a

997
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:19,950
roll by blood. So don't really
give reference what he did

998
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:20,160
right.

999
01:08:20,190 --> 01:08:24,060
We know he was stable boys. Kid.
redheaded stepchild

1000
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:28,110
literally Hello. It's obvious.
Yeah, yeah. So I think they said

1001
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:31,500
what can we use him good for?
Well, they can use him

1002
01:08:33,090 --> 01:08:36,870
he can't be on the can't be on
the throne. What can we do with

1003
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:38,400
this mongral Oh,

1004
01:08:39,020 --> 01:08:43,550
resignedly. We can use him for
propaganda because you know, you

1005
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:52,280
are England is darkening by the
minute. So they're using him to

1006
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:57,110
push that agenda. And if people
want further detail, go go to

1007
01:08:58,190 --> 01:09:01,520
Shameless Plug GO TO
MoeFactz.com or Moe Factz

1008
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:02,420
YouTube.

1009
01:09:02,430 --> 01:09:04,800
YouTube video on that. Sure.
Yeah.

1010
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:10,890
So and to show that they played
her black side up. That's why

1011
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:12,810
her father wasn't allowed to be

1012
01:09:13,169 --> 01:09:16,349
winning. We cannot that's like
Oprah saying you can't have your

1013
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:19,709
your really black mother show
up. Yeah.

1014
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,340
Can't have the white guy walking
the black princess down the

1015
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:30,120
aisle. That's bad for optics.
Yeah. So I think she ain't a you

1016
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,080
know what? I watched the show
suits that she was on. I was

1017
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,700
like, she was she she's racially
ambiguous. I was like, I see

1018
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,640
Latina and she you know, I
couldn't really put my finger on

1019
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,480
it. I know. She wasn't
completely white, but I couldn't

1020
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:50,550
you know, but then I was at all
okay. But in the show. They push

1021
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:54,720
the agenda. Her father was black
in the show. So got it. Well, I

1022
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:59,790
didn't know what she had going
on with her. So Oprah continues

1023
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:02,460
on On passing with Oprah to

1024
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:04,980
well, you know, I experienced
this early when I, you know, I

1025
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:09,030
was shifted from one parent to
the other. And I came to live in

1026
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:14,400
Milwaukee with my mother, who
was rooming with a lady. And my

1027
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,000
mother has another daughter. So
I have a half sister who was

1028
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,780
light skinned and younger than
I. And they were allowed to stay

1029
01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:26,130
inside the house. And I was
forced to sleep outside in the

1030
01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:29,640
hallway, because I was the brown
skinned person. And you know,

1031
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,490
and my, you know, my mother did
it just because otherwise we'd

1032
01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:37,440
have no place to sleep. But the
place was owned by white, not

1033
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,190
white, but I thought she was
white, Ms. Miller, who also

1034
01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:44,370
passed and just didn't want the
brown skinned child in her

1035
01:10:44,370 --> 01:10:48,810
house. It's just really racism
passed on to ourselves. That's

1036
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:51,120
what it really is. And a very
strong way.

1037
01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:53,340
Very nice. Oh percent right
there.

1038
01:10:54,060 --> 01:10:59,430
Amen. She laid it out perfectly.
And Miss Miller had to if you're

1039
01:10:59,430 --> 01:11:03,090
gonna play the role, you're
saying you got to play it all

1040
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:06,540
away? Yeah, it can't have the
black cat, a black kid sleeping

1041
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:11,700
in the house, if you're going to
pass with a white woman, so I

1042
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:16,590
have this interesting book is
called our kind of people is

1043
01:11:16,590 --> 01:11:20,190
written by Lawrence oldest
Graham. And in one of the

1044
01:11:20,190 --> 01:11:27,390
chapters in it is called passing
for white, when the brown paper

1045
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:33,030
bag test isn't enough. So this
book is about basically, the

1046
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:37,110
black elite in America says
inside America's black upper

1047
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:42,900
class, and he gives you 17 ways
to pass.

1048
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:46,980
All right, are we gonna do the
list? Yeah,

1049
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:50,880
what would I do? So I'll start
off with five you tell me if you

1050
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,990
want to keep going. All right.

1051
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:54,930
I love these tests. So yeah,
let's go. Okay. All right.

1052
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,070
Number one,

1053
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,040
passing will be eat and we got
to understand this is talking

1054
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,680
about an older our older times.
But passing will be easier if

1055
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,880
you attempt it well away at
college, preferably on a campus

1056
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,140
with which that is predominantly
white, and is located in a small

1057
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,620
rural town. That's number one,
and they want to pass. All

1058
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:20,010
right. You want to go to
university white university in a

1059
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:22,920
small town. All right. All
right. Right. We've taken notes.

1060
01:12:22,980 --> 01:12:25,380
Yeah, of course. I'm taking I
got it in an outline. Are you

1061
01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:26,100
kidding? Okay.

1062
01:12:27,150 --> 01:12:30,780
Number two, change your last
name to one that is not

1063
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:33,060
associated with black family
names?

1064
01:12:33,210 --> 01:12:36,780
It will I guess I got a problem
there. Do you know do you know

1065
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:39,300
that when I when I don't use it
anymore, but when I first

1066
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:43,440
started using Uber, I didn't
have a profile picture in

1067
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,800
Austin, Texas. And my cars will
get canceled regularly, not all

1068
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,800
the time, but regularly. I'm
like, What the hell was going

1069
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,010
on? Why did the ditch cancel?
And then I put my picture in

1070
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,350
never had it happened again,
because curry

1071
01:12:58,470 --> 01:13:02,610
is a black name. Like Steph
Curry. Yes.

1072
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:04,380
That's my brother from another
mother who

1073
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:12,540
names not to us. Yeah, curry,
Jones, Jackson Johnson, William

1074
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:18,120
Thomas. And Brown. Right. Oh,
okay. Number three, recreate

1075
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,930
your family tree by describing
yourself as the only child born

1076
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:25,350
to a born a parent who died
years ago. Oh, God, who were all

1077
01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:29,160
who were all who were also only
children. Okay, all right,

1078
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,210
number four, relocate to a new
community that insulates you for

1079
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:37,500
interacting with blacks. And
that is at least a few 100 miles

1080
01:13:37,530 --> 01:13:40,740
away from your family's home.
And number five, I'm gonna stop

1081
01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:47,220
at five. Number five is think
think some of us think of some

1082
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:51,360
manner in which to kill off,
kill yourself, kill yourself off

1083
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:55,560
in the minds of black people who
know and who know you and your

1084
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,380
family. If your parents or
siblings are willing to

1085
01:13:58,380 --> 01:14:01,890
participate in assisting you.
They can say that you are now

1086
01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:05,550
living outside the country that
you have ended up cult or

1087
01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:08,220
religious ordered, or even that
you have died.

1088
01:14:08,820 --> 01:14:12,990
Well, this is this is this is
very sad advice. Obviously. This

1089
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:17,790
is sad, though. So if that's for
people out there who would like

1090
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:22,350
to pass and if you want to find
other 12 Go read our kinds of

1091
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:27,090
people by Lawrence Otis Graham.
But I do have some background,

1092
01:14:27,420 --> 01:14:32,910
background and clip just to give
you a metaphor perspective of

1093
01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:37,980
Mr. Otis, Mr. Lawrence Otis
Graham, as he has the talk, but

1094
01:14:37,980 --> 01:14:39,120
the talk goes wrong

1095
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:43,230
in certain ways by making sure
that we're wearing clothes that

1096
01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:46,350
are not ones that suggests that
we are part of the criminal

1097
01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:49,620
element as people would say it's
no hoodies, it's no dark

1098
01:14:49,620 --> 01:14:53,070
clothes. My boys know that
they've got to be khaki pants.

1099
01:14:53,130 --> 01:14:56,550
We don't do sweatshirts with
words and names on them. This is

1100
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:59,910
really casual for them. They
don't do the t shirt thing and

1101
01:14:59,910 --> 01:15:02,550
when When it comes to jackets,
raincoats, it's this is the only

1102
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:06,120
time you're gonna see a hood in
our houses on a raincoat or

1103
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,470
winter jacket. It's no colored
high tops. It's it's loafers.

1104
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:13,950
It's white tennis sneakers, it's
not carrying anything in your

1105
01:15:13,950 --> 01:15:18,840
hand, after sundown that can be
misconstrued as a weapon. It's

1106
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,810
also making sure that when they
go to stores, they get receipts

1107
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:25,410
that they walk in, they make eye
contact and nod and smile to the

1108
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,950
shop owner. They make sure that
there's their bags are zipped

1109
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:32,640
and left in the car or outside
the store. It's also making sure

1110
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,520
that they never run within the
presence of a police officer

1111
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,490
unless it's very apparent that
they are dressed for jogging.

1112
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,420
They don't go out after sundown.
My younger son said you're

1113
01:15:42,420 --> 01:15:45,960
taking the fun out of being a
black kid, but it just knows

1114
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,050
it's necessary. And once again,
it's not because we're trying to

1115
01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:52,440
make them white. It's just the
whole issue of we don't want

1116
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:53,730
them to be profiled.

1117
01:15:56,430 --> 01:16:03,660
So that's a myth, a peek inside
the mental state of Mr. Lawrence

1118
01:16:03,690 --> 01:16:08,670
outers gram. And he is boot he
is Boulais of all blue light he

1119
01:16:08,670 --> 01:16:15,240
wrote the book on basically, of
have basically,

1120
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:19,230
inside America's black upper
upper class, I think is the book

1121
01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:20,190
you're referring to. Yes,

1122
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:23,580
yes. And there's chapters in
there such as just a list of the

1123
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:27,750
chapters and just to go down
just the origins of the black

1124
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:32,250
upper class Jack and Judas which
is where the elite black kids

1125
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:35,220
are separated from the rest and
you got chapter three black

1126
01:16:35,250 --> 01:16:38,640
child experience. The right
coalition camps in private

1127
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,540
schools. Sounds

1128
01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:41,430
like a fun vacation read.

1129
01:16:42,330 --> 01:16:46,320
Chapter Four is interesting.
Howard, Spellman Morehouse three

1130
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,800
colleges that count. Okay, we
heard about Howard Yeah.

1131
01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:55,980
Spelman, okay. Do you know spell
it looks up? Do you know who

1132
01:16:55,980 --> 01:17:01,140
Spelman was named after? I do
not Rockefellers wife. That was

1133
01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:01,410
her.

1134
01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:03,540
Oh, of course.

1135
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:06,660
And Morehouse was named after a
white man as well. And these are

1136
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:09,360
supposed to be black
universities black university

1137
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,660
shirt, but what we do is, I'm
saying this to say yes, they are

1138
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:18,330
proud found institutes of higher
learning. But we also have to

1139
01:17:18,330 --> 01:17:19,290
look and see, you know,

1140
01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:20,640
where they come with

1141
01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:26,340
the five, the right fraternities
and sororities. So, previous

1142
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:28,410
knowledge of what we covered in
the show, you see where this

1143
01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:35,550
book is headed? Um, okay. So Mr.
Lawrence said in his clip,

1144
01:17:35,580 --> 01:17:41,070
they're not trying to make their
children white. But I know you

1145
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:43,170
everybody's asking them Where's
Moe going on with this? He

1146
01:17:43,170 --> 01:17:45,960
started off with mixed where I
mean, now he's went down

1147
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:51,720
colorism and you know, the black
elite and all this, okay. Just

1148
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,160
to let you know, at one time,
the black elite say okay, we

1149
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,030
were one dropped in. So we got
to make the best of it. So what

1150
01:18:00,030 --> 01:18:06,990
we'll do is create our own class
our own subculture of based off

1151
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:12,450
of color, or, or, as they stayed
in noun Matheno. Club. If you

1152
01:18:12,450 --> 01:18:17,160
are extremely wealthy, you could
buy your way to the club. But

1153
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:22,470
when they sent their kids off,
to these Ivy League schools can

1154
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:25,470
watch the integration happen.
The kids started to go to Ivy

1155
01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:28,560
League schools, they start to
meet people and dating

1156
01:18:28,590 --> 01:18:33,240
interracially became more
acceptable. The Boulais made a

1157
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,140
pivot, and this is by Mr.
Lawrence, Mr. Otis Norris oldest

1158
01:18:37,140 --> 01:18:37,530
gram

1159
01:18:37,650 --> 01:18:40,710
talking about you've had a whole
change of heart, what in the

1160
01:18:40,710 --> 01:18:41,610
world has happened?

1161
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,760
Well, one thing that happened
Rwanda is I started to realize

1162
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,960
that a lot of people make these
personal decisions, that we

1163
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,870
should not always hold them
accountable to making political

1164
01:18:51,870 --> 01:18:55,170
decisions. When someone decides
for a long time, I was opposed

1165
01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:58,440
to the whole notion of black
folks even dating outside or

1166
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:00,750
marrying outside of the black
race, because I said, if you

1167
01:19:00,750 --> 01:19:04,950
want to demonstrate your pride
and our people, you have to give

1168
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:08,010
something back to the community.
The problem of that is that's

1169
01:19:08,010 --> 01:19:10,950
not too far from really making
the same argument that whites

1170
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:14,850
were making in the 1940s. They
were called bigots. So the

1171
01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:18,330
problem here and certainly
Pamela knows, with coming from

1172
01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:21,480
mixed parentage, that when
someone makes takes the leap of

1173
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:24,330
faith to say, well, I'm going to
marry outside my race, but yet

1174
01:19:24,330 --> 01:19:27,540
at the same time, it's possible
for me to hold on to my own

1175
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:30,450
identity, I can give back to my
black people to the black

1176
01:19:30,450 --> 01:19:33,660
community. I made the decision
to marry a black woman because

1177
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:36,600
at that time, I never even
considered dating a white woman

1178
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,070
for political reasons.

1179
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:46,950
Whoa. Does that sound familiar?
Barack Obama. Ah, so people

1180
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:50,760
marry black for political
reasons. I mean, that's not

1181
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,170
anything new to most our
listeners. But that is a I left

1182
01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:58,620
that in there as a conscious
decision. But you can hear him

1183
01:19:58,620 --> 01:20:03,240
say Ah, He, at one time, he said
that black, he believed black

1184
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,240
people should marry black
people. And as a side note, I

1185
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:12,360
will say this, I believe that I
believe, for one, you can marry

1186
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,970
who you want to, cuz I don't
care. I mean, that's what

1187
01:20:14,970 --> 01:20:18,330
they're I don't care what people
do in their love lives or their

1188
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:24,420
or their sexual laws, this None
None of my business. But if you

1189
01:20:24,420 --> 01:20:28,110
understand, and this is where
this clip is going and this

1190
01:20:28,110 --> 01:20:36,480
whole show is going we're only
13% of the population. If we

1191
01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:42,000
don't make a conscious effort to
maintain our race, I think it

1192
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,030
won't exist anymore. Well, the
real concern of mine

1193
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:47,370
and this is this is where I
thought you were probably taking

1194
01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:50,850
this and I think it's gonna turn
out to be right is what is

1195
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:56,880
happening. intentional or not,
but I think you're showing us is

1196
01:20:56,910 --> 01:21:01,980
there is intent is to
effectively remove the black

1197
01:21:01,980 --> 01:21:02,640
race.

1198
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,710
And here's the thing, I think
that they're going to remove all

1199
01:21:07,710 --> 01:21:08,880
I think they're trying to remove
all

1200
01:21:09,210 --> 01:21:12,090
black and white. I totally agree
limb everybody Brown. Yeah,

1201
01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:12,510
sure.

1202
01:21:12,570 --> 01:21:16,740
But as I've stated on this show
many times before, all problems,

1203
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:21,810
the problems that hit everybody
hit us first. It hit us hardest.

1204
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,290
We know what's crazy. Moe Yes.
So you just said something,

1205
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:29,430
which doesn't shock me because I
know you as Moe and I have the

1206
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:33,000
same I think we have very
similar values. You say I think

1207
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,450
that black people should marry
black people. If I said I think

1208
01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:39,090
white people should marry white
people, the fucking sirens will

1209
01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:42,810
be going off outside the house.
Not with me. No.

1210
01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:49,230
It's for the reasoning. Now, let
me explain to you why. I'm a

1211
01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:55,050
vain person. I like my genetics.
I want to pass those genetics

1212
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:59,370
down to my grandkids wishes.

1213
01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:02,640
It's your prerogative. Hell
yeah.

1214
01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:07,560
It's not out of all you know,
your you know, your look at

1215
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,480
whatever you diluted my stock or
he was

1216
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:15,570
the same as the royal families
all around Europe. They marry

1217
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,760
other Royals, you know, to this
was the problem with Lady Diana,

1218
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,900
she was a commoner. You know,
she was she wasn't a blueblood

1219
01:22:24,900 --> 01:22:29,040
like HorseFace. Camilla, sorry.
I know. That was rude. I can't

1220
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,290
help myself. You know, this is
not an uncommon thing for fam in

1221
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:41,430
India has this of course.
Pakistan, very oriented towards

1222
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:47,430
continuing a bloodline or having
the right families congregate

1223
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:50,940
together. So it's actually it's
not an abnormal thing at all.

1224
01:22:52,740 --> 01:22:58,080
And like I said, do I want my
kids to procreate with

1225
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,070
intelligent people? Yes. Do I
want my kids did it? You know,

1226
01:23:02,490 --> 01:23:07,290
I'll preferably. Let's just be
vain here. taller people. Yes.

1227
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:07,650
Okay. But

1228
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:10,260
one other thing, just what I'm
talking about, because I love

1229
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:13,530
the parallels. I'm just giving
you my perspective. In the

1230
01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:18,570
United States, for sure. If you
say, I'm a white man, I'm a

1231
01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:22,560
straight man or whatever. I
don't date trans women. You're

1232
01:23:22,590 --> 01:23:29,160
automatically a transphobic. I
think I caught something here,

1233
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,400
didn't I? Yes. All right, I'll
back up. Continue.

1234
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,900
Okay. Okay. So now we're moving
forward. And we see that the

1235
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:40,170
Boulais made a pivot to be
upsetting because the Boulais

1236
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:45,270
basically outline where black
people are headed. And they were

1237
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:49,320
pro blacks betting within the
race and as you can see in their

1238
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:54,420
in their, in their inner
community, dating lighter,

1239
01:23:54,660 --> 01:23:57,750
marrying lighter, you know, to
make your race become lighter.

1240
01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:03,480
So we have Professor Kevin
Brown, and he speaks on the

1241
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:06,060
impact of mixed race.

1242
01:24:06,450 --> 01:24:10,230
And we're seeing substantial
increases to in black,

1243
01:24:10,230 --> 01:24:17,160
multiracial, that is blacks with
a non black parent, black white

1244
01:24:17,310 --> 01:24:22,470
parented, black Asian parentage.
Those percentages are set to

1245
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:28,530
increase by 80% between 2010 and
2020. We're now seeing

1246
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:33,450
substantial interracial marriage
among the black slash African

1247
01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:38,130
American population, the United
States. So you can see here 1970

1248
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:43,050
Of All Blacks who were married,
only 1.1% were married outside

1249
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:51,540
of the race, that increases to
2.4% in 19 84.1% and 90 97% in

1250
01:24:51,540 --> 01:24:59,070
2000. In 2010, it increases to
9%. But But let me add this is

1251
01:24:59,070 --> 01:25:04,740
the all black blacks who are
married. So younger people, the

1252
01:25:04,740 --> 01:25:09,990
ones in the prime count bearing
ages are even much more likely

1253
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:17,100
to marry across the race. In
2012, for example, one in four

1254
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:23,490
black males that married 25%,
married outside of the race for

1255
01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:28,710
black women was about 9.3%. And
we continue to see that black

1256
01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:32,610
males are two to three times
more likely to marry outside of

1257
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:37,500
the race. If these current
content trends continue, within

1258
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:41,880
a generation or two, a majority
of the black population in the

1259
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,260
United States will actually be
mixed race. And because they're

1260
01:25:46,260 --> 01:25:51,030
mixed race, they will more and
more assert an identity that's

1261
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:53,400
different from that of African
Americans.

1262
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,010
So with his math, we're
basically doubling interracial.

1263
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,400
The interracial population or
interracial marriage, like

1264
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:09,240
basically has doubled every
decade. Yeah, roughly what he

1265
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,830
said, Yeah, won't take very long

1266
01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:11,670
is what he's saying.

1267
01:26:13,290 --> 01:26:22,530
Yeah. And that's scary. From our
perspective. On my desk, I have

1268
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,940
pictures of my grandparents. Oh,
I'm a very proud of my lineage.

1269
01:26:28,410 --> 01:26:35,280
That we you survive. And they
surreal real possibility that my

1270
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,200
culture, it's not about skin
color. And that's why I laid it

1271
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,250
all out about colorism. It's not
about skin color, it's about

1272
01:26:44,250 --> 01:26:50,190
culture is going to be racist.
And that's why I have a real

1273
01:26:50,190 --> 01:26:59,970
problem with this show. Of a sub
segment of our culture is

1274
01:26:59,970 --> 01:27:00,870
pulling away.

1275
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:08,340
When you sit when you say
culture, what do you mean? What

1276
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:10,590
exactly do you mean by that in
this context?

1277
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:19,620
So first of all, black is not a
race. This is not a Das is what

1278
01:27:19,620 --> 01:27:25,260
I'm talking about my culture.
The black American experience,

1279
01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:31,770
all the end comps and compasses.
I feel like they're trying to go

1280
01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:35,850
away from that. I don't want I
don't want them to have I'm

1281
01:27:35,850 --> 01:27:38,340
being serious is a hard set
right now. I don't want to see

1282
01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:44,250
that happen. We've seen this
with Native Americans. And I

1283
01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:46,500
said, Well, it's a real fear of
mine. I look at Native

1284
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:53,370
Americans, not you basically. It
happened to them. But okay, so

1285
01:27:53,400 --> 01:28:01,650
do you. The question is, because
this is coming from inside black

1286
01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:05,640
families themselves. Now, of
course, there's tons of

1287
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,340
influence from the outside
making this happen, but it's

1288
01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:12,030
something that's historically as
we can see, because of external

1289
01:28:12,030 --> 01:28:16,710
factors is happening internally.
You know, so the, the

1290
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:19,230
grandmother says, Don't Don't go
ahead.

1291
01:28:19,260 --> 01:28:22,260
It's it's a family thing. You
might fight with your sister or

1292
01:28:22,260 --> 01:28:27,300
your brother. Right. But some I
mess with them. You the curries,

1293
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:32,610
right? Yes, of course. That's
what I'm saying.

1294
01:28:32,610 --> 01:28:36,780
I got you. I got you know, I, I
understand that I just want to

1295
01:28:36,780 --> 01:28:37,410
delve into

1296
01:28:38,430 --> 01:28:41,640
you maybe illustrate I want to
illustrate this trait that

1297
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:47,970
clearly yes, we may fight within
ourselves. But before, if

1298
01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:53,790
anybody mess with us, we were
all together. No matter your

1299
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:58,110
shape, no matter you know, no
matter what. Right? Well, it

1300
01:28:58,110 --> 01:29:04,950
seems like they're trying to
they found a good way to divide

1301
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:06,930
us and they're plucking every
string

1302
01:29:06,990 --> 01:29:13,200
and they is is the Boulais ie
the black elite. Yes. Okay.

1303
01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:13,980
Let's just make sure.

1304
01:29:14,610 --> 01:29:18,450
That's why I said they did a
pivot. Yep. They were all for

1305
01:29:19,470 --> 01:29:22,710
blacks. Mary And you heard the
man said it himself. He was for

1306
01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:24,720
blacks marrying blacks. That's
the best thing you could do for

1307
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:28,680
a community but they do a pivot.
You say you know what? That

1308
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,340
remember that passing thing?
What happens here is the passing

1309
01:29:32,340 --> 01:29:37,770
bar has been lowered. Yes,
that's why I want to illustrate

1310
01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:42,270
a now is not whiteness, the bar
now is not whiteness anymore, is

1311
01:29:42,270 --> 01:29:48,660
non blackness. If we can skirt
into non blackness, then we pass

1312
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:54,750
and from my perspective, Moe, I
am literally the most hated type

1313
01:29:54,750 --> 01:29:59,010
of person in the United States
right now, which is an old

1314
01:29:59,310 --> 01:30:05,640
school straight, white male, I
too am being told to move over a

1315
01:30:05,670 --> 01:30:08,220
little more to get a little
brown or son.

1316
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,510
That's the man knows.

1317
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:11,940
The nudge, absolutely.

1318
01:30:12,330 --> 01:30:16,560
We're both being nudged. Let's
get into Professor Kevin Brown

1319
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:16,950
too,

1320
01:30:17,070 --> 01:30:21,570
with respect to black,
multiracial. The research on the

1321
01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:25,590
racial identity of multiracial
shows, tends to show the black

1322
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:29,400
multiracial, they have a very
different racial identity from

1323
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,330
African Americans, they
generally tend to fall into one

1324
01:30:33,330 --> 01:30:38,070
of three kinds. One, they either
assert that they're multiracial.

1325
01:30:38,820 --> 01:30:43,230
Second, that they will assert
that they're black. Or third is

1326
01:30:43,230 --> 01:30:46,560
that they will assert that
they're just simply beyond race.

1327
01:30:46,590 --> 01:30:49,530
They're non racial, they don't
think about race, you know,

1328
01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:55,320
consider race. Indeed, a few
will even take the white

1329
01:30:55,320 --> 01:31:02,430
ancestry or Asian ancestry. And
also, within the United States,

1330
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:09,240
the black family has fragmented
since the 1960s. We're at a

1331
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:14,040
point now where almost 70% of
our children are raised in

1332
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:19,110
single parent homes. So when you
put together that black males

1333
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:24,120
are more likely to have
interracial relationships with

1334
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:28,020
white females. And with the
black, the breakdown of the

1335
01:31:28,020 --> 01:31:32,040
black home, it means many black,
multiracial, those are actually

1336
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:35,520
being raised by single white
females. And they therefore are

1337
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,960
having a very different racial
identity than the traditional

1338
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:45,210
African American. So all of this
seems to suggest that we are

1339
01:31:45,210 --> 01:31:49,530
really watching some fundamental
shifts in the traditional

1340
01:31:49,530 --> 01:31:54,750
struggle of the African American
in the United States and in in

1341
01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:59,280
some real way. We are watching
substantial interracial

1342
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:04,290
marriages. And the trend of
those continues to accelerate as

1343
01:32:04,290 --> 01:32:05,850
the younger people get older and
older,

1344
01:32:06,660 --> 01:32:10,470
if I may, and if this is not an
appropriate spot to do it. Let

1345
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:13,260
me know in this whole
deconstruction, which you're

1346
01:32:13,260 --> 01:32:18,150
laying out before us, quite
expertly does and if so, where

1347
01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:20,850
does Michael Jackson fit into
this

1348
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:30,570
topic? Michael Jackson. He was
born a dark skinned man, well

1349
01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:32,970
darkened in a brown paper bag at
this use of brown paper bag as

1350
01:32:32,970 --> 01:32:42,390
the darker light divide. But the
pressures of fitting in to that

1351
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,230
is kind of like I think Michael
Jackson suffer for something but

1352
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:52,080
that barring barring the skin,
you know, vitiligo, vitiligo

1353
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,130
barring that, which is,

1354
01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:57,750
I know, black men with vitiligo,
and it's, yeah, he's a peel off

1355
01:32:57,750 --> 01:33:01,050
and it's white. You know, I know
white people with vitiligo and

1356
01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:01,710
it's the same thing.

1357
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:10,350
Barring that, you can't still
ignore the facial changes. Yeah.

1358
01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:15,030
And I think that was a form of
like, kinda like, how would it

1359
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:21,210
call anorexia? And bulimia as
you look in the mirror, he had

1360
01:33:21,210 --> 01:33:26,640
an idea of an idea was based off
of all white beauty. Yeah. And

1361
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,590
he was trying to get there.
Honestly, believe about micro

1362
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:31,920
Chinese.

1363
01:33:31,950 --> 01:33:35,190
Yeah. Yeah, it was the nose I
think is really what bothered

1364
01:33:35,190 --> 01:33:40,320
me. I worked with him a couple
times. And, you know, I can't

1365
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,020
speak on behalf of all white
people, but I know like, man,

1366
01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:47,640
like you knows. You got a nice
nose. What are you trying to do

1367
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:48,990
here to ruin it?

1368
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:53,550
Now, now that you brought that
up, and I don't want to harp on

1369
01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:58,170
this too long, even though we're
accepting of his quote, unquote,

1370
01:33:58,170 --> 01:34:01,200
children, right, bro. Yeah, bro.

1371
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,580
Yeah, bro. Are we not too
accepting of his children?

1372
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:11,310
Black people are Yeah, but bro
did man made and my humble

1373
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:15,990
opinion. I don't think those are
genetically Michael Jackson's

1374
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:16,530
children,

1375
01:34:16,710 --> 01:34:19,440
though as possible. Wouldn't
surprise me

1376
01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:26,370
when I look at his genetics of
him as a child. I don't see that

1377
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,970
happening. But we're accepting
that this is just to illustrate

1378
01:34:29,970 --> 01:34:33,330
how accepting we are. Nobody has
ever questioned it. Nobody has

1379
01:34:33,330 --> 01:34:34,500
ever publicly questioned

1380
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:36,990
us right? Yeah, I have never
heard anyone question it

1381
01:34:36,990 --> 01:34:42,240
actually, except for here on Moe
Factz. This is where we break

1382
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,010
down all those holy walls.

1383
01:34:44,250 --> 01:34:49,890
Right. So one last a shorty, but
let's get Kevin Brown three.

1384
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:51,240
Well, the the

1385
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,640
impact I think the impact I
think we're already seeing it.

1386
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:59,460
So there's less talk about race
in the United States. brick and

1387
01:34:59,460 --> 01:35:04,530
mortar Talk about new race
neutrality individualism because

1388
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,530
course, as your black,
multiracial grew up, they're

1389
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:09,510
less and less invested in it.

1390
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,230
Yeah, that's what you're talking
about. That's how you lose it.

1391
01:35:14,430 --> 01:35:22,020
Well, there's that that being
cuts both ways. Either they go,

1392
01:35:22,050 --> 01:35:28,080
Well, I'm not black anymore, I'm
multiracial, you know, that kind

1393
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,540
of thing. Or they go hyper
black. Now we're gonna go back

1394
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:35,610
for shows to Mr. Shaun King,

1395
01:35:35,670 --> 01:35:39,750
this degree of even like light
skin privilege and

1396
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:45,240
accessibility. Like, because I
look how I look, that makes me

1397
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,730
more relatable to white people
and whitespace is, so what I

1398
01:35:50,730 --> 01:35:54,180
have to do, if I have some level
of relatability that I didn't

1399
01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:57,420
choose, I was born with it. I
have to use it, I have to

1400
01:35:57,420 --> 01:36:00,600
squeeze it, I have to maximize
it. So that's what you see with

1401
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:10,410
like, mega woke like skin people
are like, I'll go hard. Then the

1402
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:14,340
flip of that is I had Colin
kapernick. And I've talked about

1403
01:36:14,340 --> 01:36:18,000
this at great length. Because we
grew up in the families we grew

1404
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:23,790
up in. We also grew up in close,
intimate proximity to white

1405
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:28,050
people and white problems. And
so we saw it and we understand

1406
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:31,590
it in a way. And so we're trying
our best to use it.

1407
01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:38,700
So, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, one
way you can go is you say go

1408
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:45,600
away from blackness. But you
have a lot of biracial people

1409
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,330
that turn into the blackness
very heavily. As he said the

1410
01:36:51,330 --> 01:36:55,770
super mega woke that's his word
Super Mega. Yeah, I did. Yeah.

1411
01:36:57,810 --> 01:37:03,150
I, here's my theory on that. I
think they try to play that game

1412
01:37:03,180 --> 01:37:08,790
of, well, I'm not really black.
But they get into those spaces,

1413
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:11,580
and then they're treated as
they're black. Because the

1414
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:15,330
people that they're dealing
with, still operate off the one

1415
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:21,030
drop rule. Right. And what you
get is this, you get your Colin

1416
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:25,320
Kaepernick, you get your Angela
rise. You're saying you get your

1417
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:26,460
Shaun kings.

1418
01:37:26,730 --> 01:37:29,940
Were not necessarily all a DOS,
by the way.

1419
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:36,690
Right. But I tried to go
racially ambiguous biracial. But

1420
01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:39,360
it didn't work, and they get
offended. And then that's why

1421
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,380
they said we need safe spaces we
need, bro we've been we've been

1422
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:44,640
live this Yes,

1423
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,650
yes, yes, yes. Yep. We,

1424
01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:51,240
I'm not. When I walk into this
situation. That's why I said and

1425
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:57,240
here's what the trans thing is a
great analogy. I have no closet

1426
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:02,820
that I can live in. Oh, when
you're trained, and you're

1427
01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:10,020
really good at it. You do have a
people don't really know. And

1428
01:38:10,020 --> 01:38:13,260
they won't caution you about it,
you know, but we have much, much

1429
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:14,220
more figured out

1430
01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:19,380
you have more control over your
parents in that situation versus

1431
01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:25,350
Yeah, color. But when you're out
it. Yeah. Or when you're out as

1432
01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:29,460
as, as Mr. Kevin Brown says,
you're raised by a white parent,

1433
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,230
you can pretty much pass. But
then when you're out it, how

1434
01:38:34,230 --> 01:38:36,630
does your peers accept you?
Right? They look at you

1435
01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:39,120
differently, because you were
saying you want to be accepted

1436
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,060
as not. And I don't think he's I
don't think they want to be

1437
01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:45,180
accepted as white. I think they
want to get what they say pass

1438
01:38:45,180 --> 01:38:48,300
race. And we heard that
conversation were posed. Right?

1439
01:38:48,300 --> 01:38:52,110
We're in a post racial society.
Yes. Right. That's what what

1440
01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:57,960
2008 They were pushing hard. But
you notice by 2012 2016 the

1441
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:05,700
other shoe dropped. Yeah. i na.
Yeah, where what how does that

1442
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:10,170
happen? I don't know. I can't
say I can't I can't speak to

1443
01:39:10,170 --> 01:39:13,350
that perspective, because I've
never had that luxury of being

1444
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:18,630
racially ambiguous. But alright,
so now we're here.

1445
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,140
Hold on, Moe, listen to your
words. You said you haven't had

1446
01:39:22,140 --> 01:39:25,530
the luxury of being racially
ambiguous you consider that a

1447
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:26,100
luxury?

1448
01:39:29,580 --> 01:39:34,500
I do. I I'll look at I'll reason
why I say that is in the same

1449
01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:41,250
way. As a trans person will be
said to add whatever gender they

1450
01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:46,560
want it to be. Got it. Not as
you're saying not as it either

1451
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,550
way what I'm saying is not being
recognized by my race first got

1452
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:53,490
it. Not not that I don't want to
be my race. I want to clear that

1453
01:39:53,490 --> 01:39:58,440
up. Right. It's the fact that
when you walk into a room as

1454
01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:03,420
this whole show you seen Certain
Way either way, either way it

1455
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:04,800
follows certain

1456
01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:13,530
assumptions are gonna be made
about you. Oh, of course, of

1457
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:20,820
course. So I've never had that
even enter my community. Got it,

1458
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:26,340
because I'm of a darker hue. So
I know when you're like in the

1459
01:40:26,340 --> 01:40:31,530
middle you like like you asked a
great question what Brock Obama

1460
01:40:31,530 --> 01:40:34,770
he falls in the middle so he
never had to. I don't think he

1461
01:40:34,770 --> 01:40:37,050
ever had the light skinned on
the dark skin thing happened to

1462
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:37,650
him. But as

1463
01:40:37,650 --> 01:40:40,680
we, as we've discussed before,
and it fit perfectly in this

1464
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:44,190
episode as well. He had huge
credibility with Michelle.

1465
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,700
Yes, well, I'm not just talking
on the biracial thing. I'm

1466
01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:50,970
talking about his own color
alone. Right? His complexion.

1467
01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:53,970
Right, right. Right. It was
perfect. It's perfect. So it's

1468
01:40:53,970 --> 01:40:57,120
like he never was perceived as
light skinned or light skinned

1469
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,690
black or dark. I've never so
weird. You've made me think

1470
01:41:00,690 --> 01:41:05,220
today? I've never heard him
referred to is either. Right?

1471
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,480
That's, that's interesting.

1472
01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:09,630
Yeah. Well, he's I think he was
he's like it came out of central

1473
01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:10,260
casting.

1474
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:12,810
The perfect I call him honey
roasted.

1475
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:16,260
Is that a hashtag I should be
aware of.

1476
01:41:22,530 --> 01:41:27,630
So people may ask, what is the
origin of all this? And you've

1477
01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:30,990
hinted at it as you do for your
future. And we're gonna get

1478
01:41:30,990 --> 01:41:36,690
something to fix that. Because
right? Know exactly where I'm

1479
01:41:36,690 --> 01:41:37,110
at? Oh,

1480
01:41:37,110 --> 01:41:40,620
yeah. Oh, yeah. This is this is
one of my favorites. I love

1481
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:41,010
this.

1482
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:49,320
It's a plan, I believe, to
destroy races of people.

1483
01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:52,650
And if you're talking about
what's going on in Europe?

1484
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,690
I think it is I think it's not
only Europe. I think that's just

1485
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:03,060
one of the plans. One of the
tentacles of the plan. But I

1486
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:06,180
think there's a thing called the
choleric II plan.

1487
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:08,340
Yes, sir. Oh, very familiar.

1488
01:42:09,150 --> 01:42:12,450
I have a clip on it before but
before we play the clip, I would

1489
01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:15,060
like to get your perspective on
this.

1490
01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:20,490
The Kalevi plan? Well, we've
we've discussed this quite a bit

1491
01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:28,710
on the no agenda show in the in
relation to immigration issues

1492
01:42:28,710 --> 01:42:31,140
happening in Europe and I lived
in the Netherlands, I lived in

1493
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:37,500
Belgium, I lived in the United
Kingdom. And there was a I think

1494
01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:43,710
he was our Austrian or he was
amazing. He was of Asian

1495
01:42:43,710 --> 01:42:48,540
descent. I know one of his parts
of Asia, and Austin, Japanese. I

1496
01:42:48,540 --> 01:42:52,920
think that's exactly count of
Coutinho of a choleric he, and

1497
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:59,370
his entire push was to create
while his first book was pan

1498
01:42:59,370 --> 01:43:07,680
Europa, which is no early 1925,
or something before the before

1499
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:12,480
the depression, the Great
Depression. But he foresaw a

1500
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:17,820
future where Europe became
Brown, just everyone, everyone

1501
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:23,070
integrated, and we had one big
mass of people kind of the same

1502
01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:28,590
color all over Europe. And this
is taken so seriously that there

1503
01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:32,850
is still a prize given I think,
every year maybe every two years

1504
01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:37,200
to people in Europe. I don't
know, it's I don't know if it's

1505
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:39,600
called the choleric gi award,
but it's for this type of

1506
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,590
integration. I know Angular
Merkel, who really helped

1507
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:47,970
Germany open up their borders,
to not really good results by

1508
01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:51,570
the Germans own admission, what
has happened all over Europe,

1509
01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:54,780
and she was the one of the most
recent recipients of the

1510
01:43:54,780 --> 01:44:00,990
choleric D award. And I've
looked at this, and whenever you

1511
01:44:00,990 --> 01:44:08,250
hear well, for instance, I first
came in touch with it. In a

1512
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:13,380
horrible way on Anders Breivik,
he's the guy who killed 80 kids

1513
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:16,770
on the island, and I want to
say, Norway or Denmark, I can't

1514
01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:18,960
remember off the top of my head.
I remember that case. I remember

1515
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,900
that case. And he wrote, they
called it a manifesto, but it

1516
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:25,140
wasn't it was a compendium, and
it was a very large document and

1517
01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:28,380
a whole bunch of stuff jammed
together. And one of the

1518
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:33,000
problems he had was this
Cholesky plan. He said, I don't

1519
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:40,620
want my heritage, my race to be
diluted the way the European

1520
01:44:40,620 --> 01:44:45,390
project has planned it. And that
was at least some of the impetus

1521
01:44:45,390 --> 01:44:52,290
for the actions he took later
reference by the Christchurch

1522
01:44:52,290 --> 01:44:58,260
shooter. He also referenced that
so this is something that's it's

1523
01:44:58,290 --> 01:45:00,600
I don't think many people in
United States know about it but

1524
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,330
in Europe it is definitely
something being discussed as

1525
01:45:03,330 --> 01:45:07,050
there's huge immigration issues
and and opinions all over

1526
01:45:07,050 --> 01:45:11,040
Europe. So that I think is a
short version of what the clergy

1527
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:11,940
plan is.

1528
01:45:12,330 --> 01:45:16,890
So before let's play the clip
now discuss it post a clip. So

1529
01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:21,420
this is an excerpt from
clarities book practical

1530
01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:22,410
idealism.

1531
01:45:23,010 --> 01:45:26,850
In 1925. Richard published
another book and titled,

1532
01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:33,480
practice your idealism us for
practical idealism. An excerpt

1533
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:38,370
from practical idealism, quote,
demand of the future will be of

1534
01:45:38,370 --> 01:45:41,940
mixed race, the races and
classes of today will gradually

1535
01:45:41,970 --> 01:45:46,500
disappear due to the elimination
of space, time and prejudice.

1536
01:45:46,740 --> 01:45:50,700
The Eurasian Negroid is the race
of the future, similar in

1537
01:45:50,700 --> 01:45:54,060
appearance to the ancient
Egyptians, they will replace the

1538
01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:57,930
diversity of the people and the
diversity of the individuals,

1539
01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:02,100
instead of destroying European
Judaism, Europe, against her

1540
01:46:02,100 --> 01:46:06,630
will refined and educated this
people will be driving them to

1541
01:46:06,630 --> 01:46:10,440
their future status as a leading
nation through this artificial

1542
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:15,300
evolutionary process. Insofar as
Europe is Christian, it is in a

1543
01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:19,440
spiritual sense Jewish, and so
far, Europe is moral. It is

1544
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:24,060
Jewish, almost all European
ethics are rooted in jury, all

1545
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:26,820
protagonists for religious or
non religious Christian

1546
01:46:26,820 --> 01:46:30,510
morality, from Augustine to
Rousseau to Kant to Tolstoy,

1547
01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:33,900
where Jews of choice in a
spiritual sense Nietzsche is the

1548
01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:38,610
only non Jew dealing European
heathen moralist, and the east,

1549
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,000
the Chinese people are
ethnically par excellence, and

1550
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,480
the West. It is the Jews,
strength of character paired

1551
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:48,690
with the sharpness of mind
predestines to Jews, and their

1552
01:46:48,690 --> 01:46:52,110
most excellent specimen to
become the leaders of urbane

1553
01:46:52,140 --> 01:46:56,850
humanity, from the false to the
genuine spiritual aristocrats to

1554
01:46:56,850 --> 01:47:00,420
the protagonist of capitalism,
as well as of the revolution.

1555
01:47:00,690 --> 01:47:04,230
Now we stand at the threshold of
the third epoch of the new times

1556
01:47:04,260 --> 01:47:08,160
socialism. Also, socialism is
supported by the Urban class of

1557
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,820
industrial workers, led by the
aristocracy of revolutionary

1558
01:47:11,850 --> 01:47:15,720
writers, this development, and
with it, the chaos of modern

1559
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,190
politics will only then find its
end when a spiritual aristocracy

1560
01:47:20,190 --> 01:47:24,690
seizes the means of power of
society. Richard clergy 1925

1561
01:47:25,170 --> 01:47:28,920
Yeah, yeah, I almost had I had
the wrong book, but the right

1562
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,110
year. Yeah.

1563
01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:35,940
So how do I get to this point
is, and this is one of the

1564
01:47:35,940 --> 01:47:40,200
things I was the listener of
your show. But when you brought

1565
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:44,520
this up, you hooked me, because
I knew about this prior to

1566
01:47:45,180 --> 01:47:51,030
hearing it on your show. The
reason why I found this out is I

1567
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:53,850
watch commercials morning I
watch television, as you can

1568
01:47:53,850 --> 01:47:59,580
tell, oh, I turned commercials
up when they come home. Because

1569
01:47:59,580 --> 01:48:01,680
like telling me I'm not really
into television. If I watch

1570
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,590
television, it's more of a watch
Netflix which show I want to

1571
01:48:04,590 --> 01:48:08,070
watch and then you don't my
life. But as I'm watching my

1572
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:10,890
major league sports so that they
can invest because sports is one

1573
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:15,390
of my thing. I started noticing
and maybe I want to say four or

1574
01:48:15,390 --> 01:48:22,230
five years ago, the push of
racially mixed couples on

1575
01:48:22,230 --> 01:48:25,920
television. Now I preface
everything I'm about to say is

1576
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,790
you can date you can love who
you want to. Doesn't matter to

1577
01:48:29,790 --> 01:48:36,210
me. I don't care. My problem is
social engineering. We're not

1578
01:48:36,210 --> 01:48:43,080
watch these commercials. I'm
like, okay, NES 123. And as long

1579
01:48:43,110 --> 01:48:45,840
as my wife do you notice that
somebody's talking about this?

1580
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,780
This isn't listen my wife
because I noticed everything.

1581
01:48:48,780 --> 01:48:51,660
She's like, Oh, are you looking
too far today? You know, most of

1582
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:52,860
all I talked to her about she's
like

1583
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,930
this show is going to ruin
everything for your mom. It's

1584
01:48:57,930 --> 01:48:59,640
gonna ruin your relationship.

1585
01:48:59,820 --> 01:49:03,240
No, this is me. This isn't No
it's gonna say my relationship.

1586
01:49:03,630 --> 01:49:07,740
Because this is me talking to
her. Yeah, this show and you're

1587
01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:17,820
just replacing her pretty you're
a godsend to her. Right? Did you

1588
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,060
say Did you see that? Do you see
what what are you talking about?

1589
01:49:21,750 --> 01:49:23,700
You'd be hanging out with that
white boy too much that's what's

1590
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:24,420
going on with you.

1591
01:49:25,050 --> 01:49:29,730
No, no, no, no, no, I had these
these these these this was pre

1592
01:49:29,730 --> 01:49:33,810
no agenda for me. Okay. So I'm
like watching the show. I'm like

1593
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:37,800
another mix couple. Yeah. And
that I'm like, I don't know what

1594
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,890
is going on here. Because most
time is when you sell a salt

1595
01:49:40,890 --> 01:49:43,980
Miss like you know, it was a
couple is the same down from the

1596
01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:51,210
error. You use the same race.
What else everything became

1597
01:49:51,210 --> 01:49:54,870
mixed race. And I'm like, what
are they pushing here? I mean,

1598
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:57,660
this my brain would go off. I
mean, I'm one of the guys just

1599
01:49:57,690 --> 01:50:00,810
just for rec matter record. I'm
wanting to gotta listen to the

1600
01:50:00,810 --> 01:50:04,860
side effects all pharmaceutical
commercials. Oh, that's another

1601
01:50:04,860 --> 01:50:07,230
thing I point out like, did you
hear that chair? That's not long

1602
01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:10,770
that is. And what she came back
to me was like, I stopped saying

1603
01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:15,180
it. And then she started
noticing. She liked you. Right?

1604
01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:17,250
And she says that I had to be
right.

1605
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:23,340
Just so what did what was your
feeling? Although this, you

1606
01:50:23,340 --> 01:50:26,880
probably weren't married then
about the Cosby family? Because

1607
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:32,850
there was very slick. They're
all brown. But some of the I

1608
01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:35,850
mean, obviously, it's casting
and we know, but Was there ever

1609
01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:37,830
any thought about that? Oh,
well, you know,

1610
01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:43,500
what was Reishi? It was color ly
bad. That's a word color Lee

1611
01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:46,950
balanced. Okay, gotcha. The
reason why I say that is the two

1612
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:50,850
oldest children were were a
fairer skin. And then you have

1613
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:54,960
Vanessa which the third
daughter? She's up dark,

1614
01:50:54,990 --> 01:50:59,340
naughty. Oh, he's the boy. Oh,
boy, that feels dark. Yeah, the

1615
01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:02,760
next two children are dark skin.
And then the tie goes to the

1616
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,460
dark skin because Rudy was
darkened in a brown paper bag.

1617
01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:08,580
So it was it was balanced. It
was it was balanced. It was very

1618
01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:12,990
balanced. So yeah, but that was
that was cautious. They were

1619
01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:16,560
consciously aware that because
even his wife is lighter than he

1620
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:16,830
Yes.

1621
01:51:16,860 --> 01:51:19,890
Well, what was that? Mama first
or mama second? Because they

1622
01:51:19,890 --> 01:51:20,760
switched you know, they

1623
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,670
pulled that. You're talking
about the Fresh Prince?

1624
01:51:23,970 --> 01:51:29,070
I'm sorry. You're right. That
was fresh. Which today? We must

1625
01:51:29,070 --> 01:51:30,210
have been crazy.

1626
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:34,050
That calls though. But even
today, people like I don't.

1627
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,680
There's only one for you.

1628
01:51:38,340 --> 01:51:40,170
Exactly. So it can't be you
know, like

1629
01:51:40,169 --> 01:51:44,099
you brought it up. See? Yeah.
Yeah. So even that it was like

1630
01:51:44,099 --> 01:51:47,999
what what? So now, but that was
That was weird. So but yeah,

1631
01:51:47,999 --> 01:51:52,739
just gone back that that's what
started me on this quest of what

1632
01:51:52,739 --> 01:51:55,919
is going on? What are they
telling me? As what are they

1633
01:51:55,919 --> 01:51:56,759
pushing to me

1634
01:51:56,850 --> 01:52:00,420
as a fun fact, just to show you
the seriousness because you

1635
01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:04,800
know, when we're saying name
like color, ag and vo 1923

1636
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:12,300
People like, okay, whatever. But
in 1955 He proposed Beethoven's

1637
01:52:12,330 --> 01:52:20,700
Ode to Joy as the music for the
European anthem. And this is

1638
01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:23,850
before the European Union was
official. This happened.

1639
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:27,690
European Union is the last 18
years and now it's an official

1640
01:52:27,690 --> 01:52:32,220
union of 28 member states. The
national anthem of Europe is

1641
01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:36,420
Beethoven's Ode to Joy. So the
guy was taken very seriously.

1642
01:52:36,420 --> 01:52:39,990
And his fingerprints are all
over everything in the European

1643
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:41,100
Union project.

1644
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:47,370
And I would like to juxtapose
him to Mr. Alan Lee relock, the

1645
01:52:47,370 --> 01:52:50,970
father of the Harlem
Renaissance, and how he his

1646
01:52:51,690 --> 01:52:56,070
thought process is like the
gospel now and the LG black LGBT

1647
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:59,430
community. On the previous show,
these guys when they were

1648
01:52:59,430 --> 01:53:02,700
writing their books and pushing
their agendas earlier, there

1649
01:53:02,700 --> 01:53:06,600
were just too early for people
to really catch on. But, you

1650
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,540
know, laid the groundwork laid
the groundwork for the for the

1651
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:12,270
things that are being done
today. But I say all that to

1652
01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:19,110
say, I don't want to be erased.
I say that with all seriousness,

1653
01:53:19,710 --> 01:53:22,680
but I think it is a real, real
possibility.

1654
01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:29,370
Well, it certainly seems like
it's the push, I am not entirely

1655
01:53:29,370 --> 01:53:33,240
sure what the benefit is to the
Boulay the elites or even the

1656
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:39,270
Illuminati. Other than more
control, I don't know. Maybe if

1657
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:40,980
we're all brown, then.

1658
01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:45,570
Well, it's not about color.
Let's get that straight. It's

1659
01:53:45,570 --> 01:53:49,050
about removing culture. And
here's the end game and how I

1660
01:53:49,050 --> 01:53:54,210
see it. You remove culture, once
you remove their culture,

1661
01:53:54,210 --> 01:53:57,660
because here's, here's the
problem. I'm not a mixed person.

1662
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:00,840
But I've known a lot of mixed
people. And I've had

1663
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:04,770
conversation with them. And as
we see, even with even with

1664
01:54:04,770 --> 01:54:10,050
black people, it's hard to fit
in where you're different. And

1665
01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:13,260
be totally accepted. Um, so I'm
sure and I would love to hear

1666
01:54:13,260 --> 01:54:15,720
from people who were to write in
newsstand on this box. Sure.

1667
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:20,610
It's hard for them to fit in
anywhere. So when you remove

1668
01:54:20,610 --> 01:54:23,430
them from their, you know,
remove culture from all the

1669
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:27,660
society, you can implant, the
culture of corporatism.

1670
01:54:28,380 --> 01:54:32,460
You're absolutely right. And I'm
a little bit older than you. So

1671
01:54:32,460 --> 01:54:36,780
I'm 65. But I've come to realize
that it is exactly the

1672
01:54:36,780 --> 01:54:40,050
differences or some may call
them imperfections, not just in

1673
01:54:40,050 --> 01:54:44,880
skin color, but background
culture, history, all of that.

1674
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,320
That makes it beautiful.

1675
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:50,670
Yes, yeah, that's my whole
point. I don't want what what we

1676
01:54:50,670 --> 01:54:55,830
provide to this human
experience. I don't want that to

1677
01:54:55,830 --> 01:55:01,800
be taken away right on. Then
that's my Oh point Yeah. From

1678
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:06,150
all you have me you have this
conversation is it works because

1679
01:55:06,150 --> 01:55:09,030
we convert to a different
perspectives, and we can find

1680
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:12,900
commonalities in it. But then we
all coach also can share the

1681
01:55:12,900 --> 01:55:13,560
differences.

1682
01:55:13,710 --> 01:55:18,840
Exactly. And in the future this
kind of show may not exist if we

1683
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:22,530
let them have their way with us.
Because there'd be no

1684
01:55:22,530 --> 01:55:25,830
differences to talk about, we'll
all just be the same drones.

1685
01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:28,380
And that's, that's what that's
my fear.

1686
01:55:29,940 --> 01:55:33,097
Well, Moe, I'll help you fight
against that, because I don't

1687
01:55:33,150 --> 01:55:36,307
like it either. That's my fear
too. Absolutely. But standing

1688
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:39,622
next to you I can say that you
see is very, very dangerous for

1689
01:55:39,675 --> 01:55:42,780
white men to say these kinds of
things these days. And that

1690
01:55:43,950 --> 01:55:49,020
is just as dangerous for me to
say it. I will say that because

1691
01:55:51,570 --> 01:55:58,140
we're expected I know we got to
wrap but it's an expectation for

1692
01:55:58,140 --> 01:56:00,990
you not to be expecting from
society.

1693
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,330
It's even more pressure for me
to be accepting because they

1694
01:56:06,330 --> 01:56:08,460
have like almost the same thing
as being this are the same thing

1695
01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:11,850
as being black. Or this is same
thing as being black. Yeah, now

1696
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,880
you're saying that it's like
everything we have, we have to

1697
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,880
be accepting of everything. So
that's why I say we're coming

1698
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:23,190
from the same parallel on two
different you're saying on you

1699
01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:26,190
know, two different directions.
Well, ultimately,

1700
01:56:26,220 --> 01:56:30,060
we're just two American dudes
chatting it up a bit and coming

1701
01:56:30,060 --> 01:56:32,520
with all are differences and
that's what I love so much about

1702
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,130
it and I and you know, for
someone who didn't graduate

1703
01:56:35,130 --> 01:56:40,920
college, I love learning on a
Monday. I really, really do. All

1704
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,740
right this this we'll have to
wrap it up. We've gone a little

1705
01:56:43,740 --> 01:56:47,310
long but man well worth it and I
love I just love what you put

1706
01:56:47,310 --> 01:56:49,200
together for us today most
fantastic.

1707
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:53,430
I'm glad you appreciate it. And
as I always say pay attention to

1708
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:56,010
everything in a shoot will
reveal itself

1709
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,210
and we look forward to your
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1710
01:56:59,210 --> 01:57:02,360
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1711
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,510
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1712
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:09,140
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1713
01:57:09,140 --> 01:57:11,510
to you. We'll see you next week
everybody. take care.

1714
01:57:13,790 --> 01:57:22,040
we people who wept off the thin
blue we go on a stand around

1715
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:29,300
this town and let further say
come true we're just good for

1716
01:57:29,300 --> 01:57:40,730
nothing a boys grown up sh-tl-ss
chicken now we can't harmless or

1717
01:57:40,730 --> 01:57:55,280
is that really for us you seen
the Joker in the street? Loving

1718
01:57:55,280 --> 01:58:01,400
one brother and killing the
other when the time comes and we

1719
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:15,380
got really free there'll be no
promise. You see we don't let us

1720
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:22,970
around this town and let
whatever come through with just

1721
01:58:26,840 --> 01:59:08,360
a boys grown up now we can. But
let us not be so satisfied