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Adam Curry: occurring for August
30 2023, episode number 93.

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Well, what did you not expect us
to? Oh yeah, experienced the

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unexpected here. I'm Adam curry
coming to you from the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country. Time
once again to spin the Wheel of

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topic from here to Northern
Virginia. Please say hello to my

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friend on the other end Mr. Mo
facts I don't have them. Mo. I'm

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doing about yourself.

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Moe Factz: I'm doing great. You
got the tag line down the

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unexpected experience?

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Adam Curry: Yes. We didn't even
discuss that beforehand. But it

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always is kind of something. I
was just talking to Tina, before

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I walk in the studio says oh,
what are you guys talking about?

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I don't know. To what? You got
his clips. Don't use it. Yeah,

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get the clips. Whoa, don't you
look at our that just numbers

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and know their titles? Don't you
look at him? No, no, where's the

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fun in that?

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Moe Factz: You get them like
maybe what like 10 minutes

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before the show. You don't have
a lot of time to do a lot of

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examining

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Adam Curry: No, I do zero
examining. That's the whole

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point is what is this? By the
way? What does this track that

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we're listening to this opening
track?

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Moe Factz: This is souls of Mr.
93 to infinity or probally? So

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Adam Curry: I've never heard
this never heard. Yes. I love

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the show. 93 connection, but
I've never heard this before. I

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like it.

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Moe Factz: Oh, this is hip hop.
Classic. Classic of classic. Oh,

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man. This is when the sound
started to change. But I guess

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would be a great time to go and
spin the wheel.

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Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a
second. Let's do that. That's

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right. There it is. And we'll
have topics round around. It

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goes no one knows where it
stopped. Well, of course Moe

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knows where we're going because
he has selected the following

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topic for us for episode number
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Unknown: This is a journey into
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Adam Curry: I know this I know
this. I know this particular

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clip. I know this clip it's from
this is a journey into sound. Is

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it the stereo test? Album?

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Moe Factz: Yes. And then also
from raw Eric being Rakim fame.

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Adam Curry: So okay, that's
right. I forgot about that.

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Because I don't I don't play my
Eric being Rakim records that

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often anymore.

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Moe Factz: So you probably
wonder what this all means. What

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this means is this is the long
awaited quote unquote Hip Hop

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episode episodes. Right? I told
you I had a large bucket list of

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shows I wanted to get to hold on

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Adam Curry: a second. Let me Is
this the one? Is this the

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episode where we find out how an
evil small group of men have

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completely controlled hip hop to
control the inner cities and

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thus America

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Moe Factz: eventually, but what
we have to what we have to do

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first is understand what it is
they are controlling. I don't

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know if you know or know this or
not. It's been in the news the

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50th anniversary of hip hop.

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Adam Curry: Yes, as celebrated
by a Jay Z tribute to himself.

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Moe Factz: And we have them all
over the place. Everybody's

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taking their part and their song
claimed who owns hip hop? Is it

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a DA slash FBA is a worldly, who
all was involved. What I hope to

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do is lay out the case of what
is once I'll say it again, what

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is actually being discussed what
is being controlled, and you

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have to lay out lay a strong
foundation. This may assure

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there's going to be a multiple
episode. Venture. Okay? I'm sure

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two maybe three because it's
just that dense. But let's go

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ahead and get into where it all
began and slave songbook.

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Unknown: No

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1860 There are roughly 4 million
enslaved Africans in the United

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States forcibly transplanted to
a new land. They've brought with

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them a rich African heritage,
including songs against adapted

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to reflect the experiences of
life of hard labor on

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plantations. These slave work
songs, laments and shouts of

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protest, evolve into a new
musical form, the spiritual, the

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spiritual and turn become the
wellspring for generations of

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musicians who will create the
blues, gospel, jazz, and the

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protest songs of the 1960s.

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Adam Curry: Now if I'm listening
to the day Ah, here, it seems

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like hip hop is a little older
than 50 years Mo

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Moe Factz: is very much. Well,
hip hop is the latest iteration

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of the Negro spiritual. It
started there. And as he listed

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out with the gospel blues, jazz,
rock and roll on to a rhythm and

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blues, and then hip hop. And
that's where we're at with it

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right now. And this is it's the
power that's being controlled is

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trying to be harnessed and
control is the same power.

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Adam Curry: How was the power?
Back in those days? I mean, was

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it? Was it power? Was it? Is it
comparable to power? Back in the

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days of the of the slaves?

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Moe Factz: I hope to answer that
question as we lay out the show,

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but I have to this is just the
origin, that there was no

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instrument at the time that we
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think I would say a hip hop is
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invention, because I believe
it's the merging of the English

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language, the power that's in
it, and itself, we know, this is

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a magical spell casting
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that powered, you know, quote,
unquote, paid off people. All

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right. So let's go ahead and get
into the second is just to let

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people know, this is a PBS
documentary History Detectives.

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Let's go and get into the second
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Unknown: slave songs of the
United States. Wow. Published in

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1867, you know,

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two years after the end of the
Civil War? What do you know

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about the book? Well, very
little, you know, there is

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something that caught my
attention. And it's in the first

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paragraph, if you don't mind,
I'd like to read it to you.

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Okay. The musical capacity of
the Negro race has been

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recognized for so many years
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no systematic effort has
hitherto been made to collect

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and preserve their melodies. And
it got me to thinking could this

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be the first book of Negro
spirituals published in the

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United States?

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And that would be a really
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that. That's your question. In
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one of my questions. And then I
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were the people who collected
this music, you know, what was

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their motivation? This is

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a really fascinating story, and
I'm ready to get going. Okay,

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fantastic.

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Adam Curry: I love their script.
While this is a great story,

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okay, let's

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Unknown: go, Oh,

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Adam Curry: we're doing some
more casual here.

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Moe Factz: As they alluded to,
it's the power that's behind it.

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And I don't know if you notice,
in our very many people know

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this. Hip hop is an acronym for
higher infinite powers, helping

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our people.

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Adam Curry: Okay, no, I didn't
know that. And I'm surprised

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actually, I never knew it was an
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Moe Factz: Yes. Or, I don't know
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Genesis is a hip hop. It comes
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which goes back, we got to look
at the hippies plan to that, you

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know, we're cutting the beat
mix. And this is episode was

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impossible. Because there were
so many rabbit. There was so

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many rabbit holes that you can
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came from. But it was later to
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stood for. And that's what I
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least two episodes, this is the
higher infinite power part. What

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is that power? And you have to
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quote unquote, black people so
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world, is that power?

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Adam Curry: Well, this is this
is the right question. I don't

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Moe Factz: So that's what we had
to get into the Grand move along

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into Part Three

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Unknown: to the enslaved
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mean?

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The songs were everything he had
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being sold his family being
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keep his plain metal bearing.

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He tells me that plantation
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Africans to attend church to
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Christianity, a message that
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to justify slavery. But the
enslaved men and women took this

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new language and created their
own spirituals songs that often

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contain coded meanings, bringing
messages of hope, and sometimes

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visions of escape

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Adam Curry: Alright, just just
because I like doing show notes,

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and I went and looked up in the
in a dictionary hip hop. Already

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these acronyms have been
captured. Listen to this

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homeless and indigenous
population health outreach

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project, and healthy individual
people helping other people. Oh,

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there you go. Don't forget your
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Moe Factz: Well, that that is a
microcosm of what I'm talking

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about the harnessing

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Adam Curry: that power Yeah, I
got you.

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Moe Factz: And we're gonna just
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call and response, the chance at
these units you've documented

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over the years. That is part of

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Adam Curry: and I love that
eventually we're gonna get into

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a part where I was actually a
part of it of of the

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mainstreaming of hip hop,

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Moe Factz: right? Oh yes. But
that's why I could have started

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it there. But oh no, no

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Moe Factz: always when you lay
the bed raw, you know the

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foundation and and make a lot
more sense. And speaking of

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laying the foundation and
bedrock, we have to go back to

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Episode 22 dream machine. And
this is the spirituals being no

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no, before I'm jumping a little
ahead. No, you know what, let's

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do that. Let's do that. And then
we'll go back to number five.

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Adam Curry: Okay, here we go.
This is the Highlander school

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song.

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Unknown: It was in the civil
rights struggle that Highlander

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became most famous and famous
for a song. How that happened is

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a textbook example of Highlander
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designed. From the start, the
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lots of songs, but it didn't
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irresistible anthem that not
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that musically expressed all
their hope, determination and

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spirit Septima Clark, Pete
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named Guy Carol and began
adapting and old him turned

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labor song that Sylvia love to
sing, the word will was changed

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to shall some verses were fitted
to the new movements, goals, and

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the tempo was changed so people
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became, we shall overcome. We

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shall overcome. Deep in my
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overcome.

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Adam Curry: Now you rang your
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Moe Factz: Yeah, that I will
just explain that we have many

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songs. But as you just laid out
with the hijack in the

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afternoons, they picked this one
song, remixed it. So it's

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easier, easier to march to evey
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what is it? And I would like to
bring up one example, in modern

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life in recent hit. Well, in
current events, this North

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Richmond song, yeah, yeah, you
see how a single song can

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inspire people, or ignite
something within people. Now, I

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gotta be honest, the sound
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that it is what it is. But I can
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resonate to certain people based
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they have a lot to do with this
power things. Well, based on a

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frequency thing,

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Adam Curry: and let me just hone
in on that right down to the

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instrument used. It's a
frequency that resonates with a

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certain certain population of
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808 may, it may resonate
differently with different

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people. So you're absolutely and
also this was a, this was a

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visual hit.

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Moe Factz: Yes, you know,

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Adam Curry: that's, that's
there's an important difference

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there. And it's amazing, it
actually reminds me of early or

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for me, early hip hop in the
late 80s, when hip hop was seen,

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as you know, the hood CNN. And
this is kind of like rural

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America, CNN is like, hello,
look at me, let me tell you

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what's going on out here.

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Moe Factz: And this may be the
motive for why they're trying to

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hijack these movements because
your your quote, unquote, their

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cultural revolutionaries are not
going to come from upper middle

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class or rich. They're going to
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understanding, and then you can
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Adam Curry: were talking about
this guy like he was Bob Dylan

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in the 60s, you know that and I
think to a degree, it's now

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short, we have a much shorter
attention span. But at home it

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really it was so good. That
right away, it's like, we have

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to serve as videos. This guy's a
shill. He's no good. He's

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controlled opposition. A lot of
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Moe Factz: that's the hip hop
keeping it real easy, real easy,

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really real. Are you industry
plant. All of this when the term

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keeping it real? That's what it
meant. Is it did it come from,

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you know, the authentic place
they're speaking about or is it

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industry is it corporate? Right?
And we're, as we get down the

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show, it will make it will be
crystallized. Hopefully But now

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let's go back. And I was I was
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of the English language and how
big thing hip hop is the double

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entendre or the or the mythical,
triple entendre, which very few

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people can pull off, but it's
been done. But number five will

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speak more. The double meaning
and the negro spiritual.

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Unknown: The words we're saying,
have have a double meaning. So

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anytime you hear anything about
traveling shoes, or chariots a

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wheels, somebody's getting ready
to run. And so you take a negro

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spiritual

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Swing low, sweet cherry. Common
for to carry me sweet. Oh,

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sweetie che very

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common for to carry me home.
That chair it is movement, that

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chair to swing and low picking
you up, putting you on that

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Underground Railroad, taking you
somewhere to freedom. So when we

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sing those songs, it's like,
something's getting ready to

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happen. So I looked over Jordan,
and what did I see Jordan? That

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was metaphor for the Ohio River.
A band of angels coming after

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me. Those common those those
conductors coming to help you

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common for us to carry me home.
So they had all kinds of little

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messages. And the slave master
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don't they sound pretty happy
tonight. Next day, two or three

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people go, because we put that
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Adam Curry: Oh my god, this is
great. This is a masterclass you

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picking all the all the bells,
this is fantastic. Of course,

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everyone knows everyone in
America knows this song, I would

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hope. And you can kind of think
about it. But man, she just put

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it in like 60 seconds, she put
it all together there for us. I

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love that.

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Moe Factz: And then we're
transferring information,

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meaningful information back and
forth. You know, to people I was

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about to head north. You know,
and you knew what that meant,

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and you'll be gone. And as I was
doing my research, the racism,

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creativity you put into racism
just amazes me sometimes.

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Because I felt this racial slur
called the moon cricket, the

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moon cricket. Yes, this is a
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And I'm going to show you how we
put so much energy in doing the

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wrong thing. That it's funny,
but it's not funny at the same

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time, because what it meant was
is the basis of this very act of

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singing at night. They will hear
slaves saying it at night. And

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that's what they call Moon
Creek, us be known to the slave

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master that your property is
about to head up out of here.

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But it's just amazing that the
US putting our energy into the

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wrong thing that he is I had to
share it because he's gave me a

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shot of light. But it's almost
astonishing

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Adam Curry: level of racism,
which is basically the N word.

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Moe Factz: Well, what I was
saying is, you have the option,

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but they have to get more
creative with it. It just

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baffles me I just I thought I'll
share that. But, um, so this is

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Reverend Velma Thomas. And you
can hear, as they say, in the

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church, and we're gonna go to
church here for a little bit in

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a minute. The anointing on her
voice you can hear in her voice

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is that certain thing that
resonates? I don't know if it

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resonates with you or not?
Because like I say, Well, I

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think we're all tuned to
different frequencies

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Adam Curry: when she's saying
when she's singing, right? Oh,

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well, it resonates in me as a
human being.

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Moe Factz: Of course, but I'm
saying like the same way that

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North Irishmen didn't resonate
with me. I was like cool song

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but it isn't the frequency. I'm
not saying the message or

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whatever. It's their frequency
that does didn't register with

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me to my ears the way their
tone, right like, what were her

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is the certain tenor and her
voice. That is in the church

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they call it Nora in in modern
day they call it drip. Is that

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thing that makes you go from kin
sang to consign insane

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Adam Curry: I got you I got you
of course. Oh,

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Moe Factz: just Okay, so number
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Unknown: We talked about waiting
no water. wait and wait, Wade,

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Wade Wade wade in the water,
because God's gonna trouble the

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Whoa Oops, we

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stepped in that water because
the dogs can't pick up your sin.

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We had all these songs that said
it's time to move, it's time to

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go by the waterways time to
follow the Northstar. It's time

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to start looking, it's time to
start traveling. It's time to

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start getting ready to cross
over that Jordan into freedom.

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Steal away to Jesus all gone to
heaven. No.

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Still away home. I ain't God
alone to stay here. So

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we still the way to Jesus, we
still the way to freedom. But it

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sounds like we're just talking
about a life in the hereafter.

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But we're talking about a life
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Adam Curry: You know, I realized
that in all the racism that's

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discussed in, in the in our
country in the United States on

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it seems like a daily basis.
This part of slavery is really

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not discussed much at all. It's
always about the bad master and

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how horrible it was and, and
Building America on the back of

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the slaves. But this does not
just It does to me, at least if

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thinking over the past 510
years, there's not been a lot of

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talk about the Underground
Railroad and, and the escape and

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what that was like and how
beautiful it really was.

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Moe Factz: And mess. In my
opinion, that's purposely done.

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Because you don't want to have
people be inspired. This like

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this is the whole reason for the
hijacking of the music and

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culture. Because I'll have to do
this. But J Edgar Hoover is

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known for saying first of all,
yes, I'm gonna show hiding

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black.

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Adam Curry: I was gonna say we
all know he's black. We all know

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he's a brother.

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Moe Factz: The self hating black
man, J Edgar Hoover allegedly,

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um, was known as being very
cautious and conscious of this

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black Messiah figure that was
going to raise up have the ear

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of the people Obama tapped in
this a little bit. And spider.

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So they constantly and when I
say they capital, they are

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constantly manipulating
controlling inspecting to assure

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is two pathways. Either you do
academics, if you show yourself

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to be highly intelligent, we'll
capture you make you one that

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talented 10th send you off to
Iowa, the school and now you're

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not a threat as discussed the
trick baby. Right? Yeah. But for

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those that stay in poverty in
that area, there's two other

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paths is sports, you know,
you're physically gifted. And

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now it'll be a railroad to D one
school and we'll isolate you.

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And now there's one more piece
of the pie left. That's the one

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that that can see on their way
out. They have the talent, the

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charisma, they have the ear, the
people. They said we can't let

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we got to control that. Because
as you you've seen the guy with

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his guitar, and a camera and a
microphone inspire people to

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feel something now we live in a
short time window where stuff

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goes viral didn't falls out it
to the wayside. Have

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Adam Curry: you seen any of the
remixes of that song have

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because that that's what I
thought was hip hop esque. It's

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like hold on a second. Now we
got guys, we got we got white

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guys in in the farmlands rapping
over over this song. And that to

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me was what was really exciting
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Moe Factz: wish they had to do
that because they had to

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resonate with a certain
demographic. Yeah. And you saw

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this even in hip hop's southern
hip hop was totally different

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frequency than northern hip hop
and West Coast hip hop. So I

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mean, it's either an intra
group, as I like to say, if you

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have any different frequencies
that it just doesn't register,

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but fast forwarding to this
control mechanism. It goes all

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the way back to slavery, per
Judge Joe Brown, and he was

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speaking on this phenomenon

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Unknown: within an inch. Not so
much because it was very early,

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but later on, the slave masters
were instructed to go in with

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their fellow slave owners and
buy a steroid. There was a

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peculiar attribute they wanted
this to happen. They also wanted

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him to make a good preacher. So
make the stood preacher and

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allow slave marriage. So the
slave male would find out that

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when his female wife, well, his
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Does slave masters would bring
over the stud preacher to sleep

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with his wife often on his
palette in his home. Wow, that

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would do what now would be
called demoralizing him.

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Adam Curry: I love the little
comment today. Ah, wow. Yeah.

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Moe Factz: This is how the plant
type this was plantation

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policies. Go ahead. No,

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Adam Curry: that's exactly
right. It's like this is the

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real if you really want to
understand what's going on, this

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is the stuff that's going on. We
all know about the clippings and

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the koonta Kente and the
beatings and all this but I love

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this because now you're getting
into the into what it was really

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like in fact, you are tuning my
frequency Hermo I like it.

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Moe Factz: And it's still like
because the same way to enhance

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Thurs back then they have
athletes and celebrities now

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you're LL Cool J's of the world.
And what I mean by the quote

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unquote, sports world,

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Adam Curry: oh, man, you're
gonna pick on him.

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Moe Factz: Know what I'm saying
is the fact that he was able to

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start in the early 80s and
maintain this lane of being the

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Fit hip guy, you know, do
capable i Well, I mean, one of

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the top rappers there is

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Adam Curry: he worked I think
we've talked about him before

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that he would be up at 1775
Broadway in my MTV days and we

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walk in and then we had a it was
for executives, you know, the

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whatever the 15th floor, and
there's a you know, like an

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executive kind of waiting room
where you'd wait until you were

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called LL Cool. J would be up
there all the time. Of all he

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would always have meetings with
the executives, he worked it and

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so I gotta put props on his name
for that he really worked it.

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Moe Factz: No, no, what I'm
saying is no, he's one of the

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best and you you can make an
argument for him being the

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actual goal of rapping for
longevity not in my book, but

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it's a case to be made. My issue
is that he was sold as the buff

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rapper you know 50 cent the same
way yeah, this this is a just a

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reiteration of this quote
unquote stood that you know,

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this physical behemoth and this
at the same time was had a set

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skill of mastering words. Yeah.
Yeah, so and is known. You see

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even in churches all in our
religious groups all around the

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world that God has the people
ear has an inroad to women

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looking to preachers and how
they always fall to some kind of

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sexual

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Adam Curry: How does Reverend
I'll do it though I'm I'm

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surprised Oh, well.

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Moe Factz: Oh, move past though.
Maybe we will get back to the

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river owl at a later date
because he does plan to this as

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well. But these words this
mastering of words, some a lot

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of people, black preachers in
the world what have we got from

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negro spirituals to preachers?
preachers are their original

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AMSI I mean, literally, you
know, saying that's master the

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ceremony? Yeah. Um, so you
wonder to most people, it sounds

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like a bunch of hollerin and
whatever else No, there's a

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sweet science to actually what
they call hoping and this is

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Reverend Jasper Williams, and he
gonna break down the science to

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you in three parts. This is the
first part

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Unknown: and the law says Sol
sol, sol sol, sol sol, sol, sol,

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sol, sol, sol, sol, sol, sol,
sol, sol, sol.

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Sol,

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and you're ready to move now.
But you've been going up until

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the time you ain't got nowhere
else to go. So you start strain

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All right now no reflection that
Evie is a master at his own art

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in his own way. But you notice
Evie, Evie? Hallelujah

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EV can go up No. All right,
because he's not a naturally

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gifted reacher. What I detected
about myself was

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when I go

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00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:41,190
what I had to do was talk my way
back.

443
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,689
Adam Curry: This is this is very
interesting. This is anyone

444
00:29:45,689 --> 00:29:49,619
who's been on stage with a
microphone knows that when you

445
00:29:49,619 --> 00:29:51,839
have a group of people and
you're able to capture their

446
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:56,759
attention, you can you can vary
just with words and just with

447
00:29:56,789 --> 00:30:00,569
your your rhythm and the tone.
You can you can manipulate,

448
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,079
manipulate, you can, you can
move the people, like the

449
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:09,029
simplest one is everybody happy.
I said is everybody, any on

450
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:15,689
today's DJs, you get a TFS,
Delta drop. It's all the same

451
00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:19,109
thing, people that resonate with
that. But this, of course, is a

452
00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:20,429
very specific skill.

453
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,110
Moe Factz: And it's capturing I
think the word best fits as your

454
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:28,800
capture the audience, they're
locked in with you. They're,

455
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,060
they're on the same beat as you
because you got to have a beat

456
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:36,690
to hell call and response. And
you hear the whole time as he's

457
00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:40,740
doing. And he's just doing so
and so SO and SO SO and SO. But

458
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:45,660
the feeling and him running up
that scales, it takes the people

459
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:48,900
up emotionally. And this is that
frequency I'm talking about

460
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:53,190
because some people might not
feel it. But their voices are

461
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:59,460
tuned to a certain frequency and
a certain rhythm that inspires

462
00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:02,610
that color response. And in
wanting to make people

463
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:07,230
understand that this is not, oh,
just get up, start yelling,

464
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:11,070
whatever. No, this is years and
years and years of practice. The

465
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:18,150
reason why I know is I mean, I
grew up with going to a Baptist

466
00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:23,970
church, that the Reverend was a
very, I was the, I think the

467
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:29,730
dean of seminary at Duke
University. You see, I'm saying

468
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,200
like this man at my table. Yeah.
So I have my family.

469
00:31:34,649 --> 00:31:37,229
Adam Curry: I have a little bit
of exposure to it as a new

470
00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:41,669
Christian art. Our church is a
Bible Church, but it is inspired

471
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:45,479
on Baptist churches. And from
time to time we'll have a

472
00:31:45,479 --> 00:31:48,899
visiting pastor, there's a das
Pastor, I forget where he comes

473
00:31:48,899 --> 00:31:52,889
from. And Matt, he grabs people,
and everyone's always happy when

474
00:31:52,889 --> 00:31:55,319
he shows up like, oh, okay, this
is gonna be exciting. It's gonna

475
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,229
be something new. And he has
that rhythm. And he's able to,

476
00:31:58,259 --> 00:32:01,019
he's able to do it with white
people, too. Yeah,

477
00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:05,670
Unknown: it's one time. And so
the last song, so songs Oh, and

478
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:10,890
he went on and you see, and he
came on down, the Lord said, and

479
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:17,820
I will go on down my brother and
my sister. And so and so song.

480
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:26,700
So I'm where I want to be see,
because I've found my key. All

481
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:32,340
right now. Now, what does this
mean? Since I've found where my

482
00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:38,580
tune is most comfortable that it
means simply this, that if I met

483
00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:41,880
the key white one, and I'm
tuning good, because I'm relaxed

484
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,640
down here, it means that if I
can go nowhere else, I can at

485
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,340
least go back to where I was.
Because I was in any way you

486
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:54,750
want. You can go back to it.

487
00:32:56,970 --> 00:33:01,830
Moe Factz: Cool. Two points I
want to make I left the room for

488
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:05,670
you to make it just in case you
caught. Do you know where? Where

489
00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:08,610
you've heard this before? This
is Hillary Clinton.

490
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:12,270
Adam Curry: Oh, it's funny, has

491
00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:15,300
Moe Factz: no ways tie it.
That's what she was trying to

492
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:15,480
do.

493
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:19,110
Adam Curry: No more. Yeah.
Right. Which we call it what

494
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:21,300
code switching? Right? But

495
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,120
Moe Factz: this is the science
that she was trying to tap into.

496
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:29,070
And Obama slightly does it. You
know, he does it just enough to

497
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,120
tune you know, he's what they
call a tuner. He's not a Hooper.

498
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:36,720
And it's different category that
we're going here because this is

499
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120
the different flows this in hip
hop.

500
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:43,440
Adam Curry: Ah, actually, while
I was listening to that, you

501
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,290
know what sprung to mind. Of
course, Hillary makes sense.

502
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:52,020
When Eddie Murphy and Arsenio
Hall in their movies, they do

503
00:33:52,050 --> 00:33:54,870
they do they do a take off of a
preacher.

504
00:33:55,770 --> 00:34:02,190
Moe Factz: Yeah, though. I'm
coming to America. Yes. Yeah.

505
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:05,760
That's a pageant at the beauty.
I was like, it was like a beauty

506
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,640
pageant. A fundraiser. Yeah. And
just another recent phenomenon.

507
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,510
Remember the kid in Tennessee
with the big afro. And he gave

508
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:20,160
that code sweet speak. They got
everybody all round up. It was a

509
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,000
black kid. Oh,

510
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:28,380
Adam Curry: yeah. When he was
in, in the state senate. Yes.

511
00:34:28,410 --> 00:34:31,830
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. All
of a sudden, this is this.

512
00:34:32,010 --> 00:34:33,450
Right. Right. Right.

513
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,520
Moe Factz: So it's a it's a very
powerful science. And I just

514
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,150
want I'm what I'm trying to do
is I'm trivialize it, and if

515
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:44,910
people understand the power of
spoken word, then they will

516
00:34:44,910 --> 00:34:49,200
understand using this manner,
they will understand what is the

517
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,720
power of hip hop and why it has
to be correct. Okay. All right.

518
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:55,890
This is the final part three.

519
00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:00,990
Unknown: So since I'm down here
now, the law says Han Solo songs

520
00:35:00,990 --> 00:35:08,190
Oh songs back to where it was
and 9.9 tenths of the time

521
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:10,500
because I went down and got to
tune

522
00:35:16,590 --> 00:35:20,040
Adam Curry: James Brown James
Brown right there jailed waiting

523
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,260
for Sol

524
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,670
Unknown: Sol. So in essence what
I'm telling you is this when you

525
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:36,900
go up to the bottom of your
assignment if you have found

526
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,110
person that can shift and not
naturally gifted and maybe some

527
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:45,240
of us who are gifted in may have
the gift to even be most of what

528
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:51,150
you do is go up to that point
all the loud and hard and drive

529
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:57,810
all you want. But when time to
tune, talk your way back down to

530
00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:05,970
where you comfortable level off
and when time to holla you can

531
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:09,180
you can you know you go with
ease, go back to where you were.

532
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:16,200
And because you will last more
than likely you can't hide. And

533
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,780
Adam Curry: what was the context
of this moment? Because I love

534
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:23,580
Oh, I love this what was it from

535
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:27,660
Moe Factz: this was a seminary
seminary seminar. Those are

536
00:36:27,660 --> 00:36:31,080
other preachers in the room.
Okay, that he was instructing

537
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:35,400
you know, all school because he
got like the white folding pad.

538
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:41,460
It was in the marker showing you
how to go on the scale it but

539
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:49,080
this is what rap keeps saying
about how the drill at home.

540
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,410
When you hear these people
rapping in the bars coming out

541
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:57,720
of their mouth. It's registering
with the same magnitude got it

542
00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:00,060
different in different manner,
but same magnitude.

543
00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:05,070
Adam Curry: How do you think
that that is? Because it's

544
00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:09,480
cultural? Or is it truly
embedded in the human the

545
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,250
resonance to these frequencies?

546
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:16,080
Moe Factz: I think we're all on
different timings. Because when

547
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,820
you go around the world, Chinese
music moves on a different time

548
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:21,960
signature. Yeah.

549
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:28,290
Adam Curry: No, I remember being
in Thailand. I was in a state of

550
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,350
doing a documentary and at a
hill tribe up near the Burmese

551
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:34,800
border. And it's basically all
only the women the men are all

552
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:39,480
zonked out in the opium den. And
at night, they you know, they

553
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,210
say, oh, we'll do it. We'll do
our special festival party for

554
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:47,190
you. And, and so and they had
this rhythm and dance, I could

555
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:51,030
not get into their rhythm. And
they'd laugh at me like, Oh,

556
00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:54,210
don't you feel it? Like no, it
was really weird. It's a

557
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:55,770
different timing completely
different.

558
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:02,430
Moe Factz: Well look, the same
thing with us. You know, what's

559
00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:07,470
the South American music Samba?
I think it is also salsa, you

560
00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:10,680
know? I think it's another one
too. Well, I mean, just the

561
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,480
rhythms are different. And if
you're not on that time, timing,

562
00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:19,320
it's just impossible to catch.
And now I think we all have a

563
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,640
unique timing Terrassa now you
can train yourself. All this can

564
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,330
be learned. I'm not saying it's
you know, it's exclusive to

565
00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:30,660
certain groups of people. And it
can't be learned. Because if you

566
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:34,500
notice on American Idol,
everybody comes out they're

567
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:39,750
singing with r&b Ah, twinge to
their voice.

568
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:42,690
Adam Curry: Been a while since
I've watched American Idol. I'll

569
00:38:42,690 --> 00:38:45,930
be honest with you, but I can
see what you're saying.

570
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:49,320
Moe Factz: Even in the inception
of it, you know, it was this

571
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:54,330
what they called blue eyes. So
I'm Justin Timberlake listen to

572
00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:57,090
this a little bit in our cars
when he went from instinct to

573
00:38:57,090 --> 00:39:02,160
the solo career totally,
totally. I mean, cooling the

574
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,460
gang row a lot of songs from
him. So he it's the same things

575
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:09,150
that timing, The Rolling Stones
they picked up off Muddy Waters

576
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:14,280
and Howlin Wolf and all those it
can be learned. But with all I

577
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,150
say that when you start learning
other people's stuff, it becomes

578
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:21,240
commercialized and it washes
out. It's kind of like what

579
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,120
maklumat say you put too much
milk in the coffee. And what do

580
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,570
you have? And I think that's
what we have mainstream music.

581
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,810
And as a quick aside, it's one
when I heard you doing your new

582
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:35,820
show. Music

583
00:39:35,850 --> 00:39:36,750
Adam Curry: Mr. Graham ball.

584
00:39:36,779 --> 00:39:45,719
Moe Factz: Yes. It's like in the
separate dear. This was 77777

585
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,940
Adam Curry: deputies. Seven
deputies.

586
00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:49,530
Moe Factz: Yes, serendipitous.

587
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:52,380
Adam Curry: There we go. We got
two of us. We'll get there.

588
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:53,370
We'll get

589
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:59,700
Moe Factz: the actual we'll see
there. It was like this exactly.

590
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:04,110
One time Going about it's
amazing that you hadn't had no

591
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:08,040
clear doing that. And you had no
clue I was doing this show

592
00:40:08,070 --> 00:40:13,590
mystery shows where it lines up
because it's the freedom to let

593
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:16,980
people choose. You know, if you
do that, and then it can't be

594
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:19,890
hijacked. Quick aside,

595
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,270
Adam Curry: yeah, no, that's
okay. Just to keep that aside

596
00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:28,680
for a moment, I just did episode
five of booster grand ball. And

597
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,670
here's the things that that
really struck me coming from a

598
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:38,640
radio background. First of all,
the in mainstream radio, your

599
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,420
selection is very limited. Yeah,
you got decades of back

600
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:45,510
catalogue. But the stuff that
you actually wind up playing on

601
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:49,050
almost any radio station is a
very small, maybe 100 songs,

602
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,860
very limited. I'm seeing
completely new styles, things

603
00:40:55,860 --> 00:41:01,140
that I've never even thought
about as as types of music.

604
00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:08,880
Because it's always been so
categorized for me. And the,

605
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:14,520
just the, the the freedom that
people are exhibiting is it's,

606
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,670
it's something it's something
very, very powerful. And yeah, I

607
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:21,180
mean, quite honestly, I'm, I'm
hoping and Whitlam I know it's

608
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:25,410
coming. I'm waiting for hip hop,
not for me to play. I'm waiting

609
00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:29,730
for hip hop songs to be played
by hip hop. podcasters I'm

610
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:34,020
waiting for worship music, I'm
waiting for all of this. I mean,

611
00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:36,510
this to me is it's one of the
most exciting moments in my

612
00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:40,920
life. So to have you bring this
is fantastic.

613
00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:43,530
Moe Factz: And what what I
believe you done is really

614
00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:48,900
centered the DJ into the middle
of the music conversation,

615
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,180
Adam Curry: the discovery
mechanism, this is this is what

616
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:57,120
radio used to be, you'd listen
to your favorite radio DJ,

617
00:41:57,150 --> 00:42:00,300
because he Oh, he's playing
something cool. Oh, listen to

618
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:04,590
this, not because he had the
funniest jokes, or the quips or,

619
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,740
you know, the one liners, which
is kind of what radio has become

620
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:11,430
today. And the music has become
a secondary, almost like

621
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:15,570
tapestry. You know, that's just
on the wall of, of putting the

622
00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:19,740
DJ Center as a funny man or
comedian that really came in the

623
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:23,430
90s. Like, ba now DJs gotta be
comedians. But for me, it's

624
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:27,570
like, it's Monday, I'm a little
I'm still a little jet lagged.

625
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,900
I'm gonna search for something
under play this and yeah, it's,

626
00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:34,500
it's discovery. It's something
we completely lost in the last

627
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,260
20, maybe even 30 years?

628
00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:40,710
Moe Factz: Well, we didn't lose
it. It was replaced with the

629
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:43,410
algorithm, this gesture
algorithm. Yeah, well, that will

630
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:49,500
just feed you instead of a human
actually curating you know, and

631
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,610
saying, Okay, I'll thank you. If
you like my tastes, and I think

632
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:57,060
you quote unquote, dig these
records. Yeah. And people will

633
00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:00,030
call in and say, I liked that
one. Or the next one, you get

634
00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:04,200
the, the, you know, loop the
feedback. The you know, those

635
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:07,500
those contests is like, thumbs
up, thumbs down, but like you're

636
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,400
saying, play it or play it or
whatever it was, but make it or

637
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,600
break it. Yeah. You have that
whole feedback loop. I mean,

638
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,510
just a quick aside, it's going
to be very important, I think is

639
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,440
timely, that that happened in
all the same time I was doing it

640
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,540
down this rabbit hole. So I
think it's

641
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:26,760
Adam Curry: good because I'm
expecting some more facts music

642
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:30,270
to be uploaded pretty soon. I
know you got Oh, yeah, I know,

643
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:30,840
you got it.

644
00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:36,900
Moe Factz: This my first love, I
can't lie. And this is why this

645
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,480
show is so important to me. But
let's get back to the hooping

646
00:43:39,780 --> 00:43:44,760
and this is Dr. Edward L.
Branch, and his take on it for

647
00:43:44,850 --> 00:43:45,630
us.

648
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:51,690
Unknown: In the African American
church world, it is an integral

649
00:43:51,750 --> 00:44:01,080
part of who we are. And, and it
fits in well for us, you know,

650
00:44:01,350 --> 00:44:08,220
and and I want to say as well
that as a quote unquote, Hooper,

651
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:16,410
I mean, what becomes a challenge
for us, us who are known to be

652
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:21,270
and especially those of us who
are, you know, true Hooper's?

653
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:24,900
Now, you know, when you talk
about Hoopa is not just a tuner,

654
00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:29,100
there's some preachers who can
tune you know, so they can grab

655
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:34,350
a note and they can, you know,
they can tomb they can cruise

656
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:38,100
along that note, that's one
thing, that there's some who

657
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:46,920
can, who can holla I mean, and
hollow ona note, and, you know,

658
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,120
they go along and they hit that
holla you know, or whatever it

659
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,320
might be, but that's not hoping.
Okay,

660
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:59,670
Moe Factz: so it's different
things and it's different levels

661
00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:03,390
to like Are we wrapping is there
is different levels to you might

662
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:07,860
come wrong words together will
make me a rapper

663
00:45:07,860 --> 00:45:08,880
Adam Curry: You mean like Vivek?

664
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:15,630
Moe Factz: Exactly. To put him
What I mean is, quote unquote

665
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:20,910
competent rappers that like okay
that's pretty good. When is the

666
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:24,840
next level when it one thing I
wanted to bring up before was

667
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:27,960
with sermons there's the three
eyes, right? There's

668
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,240
information, interpretation and
inspiration. So the information

669
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,690
is what you pack into your
sermon. Like what I'm trying to

670
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:40,200
get you to, you know, understand
the interpretation is how you

671
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,910
took it, you know, and then
inspiration is like the power

672
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:48,750
this power output, but where I
keep saying, it's that feeling

673
00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:52,590
that, you know, when you leave
church, you feel better.

674
00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:56,159
Adam Curry: Your, your buckets
are filled, right.

675
00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:00,510
Moe Factz: And it carried you
through the week. And the reason

676
00:46:00,510 --> 00:46:04,140
why this is so important, and we
got to think about back met.

677
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:12,450
Church was the social club
church was the spiritual

678
00:46:12,450 --> 00:46:19,470
hospital. It was the centerpoint
for a very long time. And this

679
00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:23,040
is why when they want to get
people to get clout, that

680
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,860
without a revenue from your
name, yeah, right, Reverend Al

681
00:46:25,860 --> 00:46:30,270
Sharpton, Reverend Jesse Jackson
go down the line, because that

682
00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:35,610
gave you a certain credibility.
And I think that's move forward

683
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:42,000
now to rap. And rap really lost
his way. While I say, quote,

684
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,720
unquote, black music lost his
way, when it stopped being

685
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,920
filtered through church,
alright, used to have to go to

686
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,690
church to play on a drum set, or
get access to a keyboard, or

687
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:58,320
learn how to sing and breath
control. And then you then you

688
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,500
will go out and become secular,
as you'll hear later in the

689
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,970
show. I just want to make that
point.

690
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,100
Adam Curry: It's funny, I always
felt that Whitney Houston, had

691
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:12,090
that in the beginning. And then
Bobby Brown came in and ruined

692
00:47:12,090 --> 00:47:15,690
everything. You know what I
mean? Like she came from she

693
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:17,790
came from the MS. Why am I going
too far?

694
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:23,130
Moe Factz: No, in this story say
that she was the wild west in

695
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:23,550
the couple

696
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,850
Adam Curry: I know. Yeah, I
know. But I'm just saying how it

697
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:29,550
always looked from the outside.
Like, there comes Bobby Brown.

698
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:34,140
Now. Yeah. Agreed. But that she
started in the church. And it

699
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:40,290
had a lot to do. No, I think it
had a lot to do with, with her

700
00:47:40,290 --> 00:47:43,620
relationships in general. But
then her music also changed. Her

701
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:47,760
music also went away from that.
Yeah, there was a certain point

702
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,120
that Whitney was very
programmatic pop songs in my

703
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,500
mind. And

704
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:56,070
Moe Factz: it's funny that we go
this way. But it's, it's very

705
00:47:56,070 --> 00:48:01,020
important to bring this up at
one point, and black music when

706
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:06,300
she first was making her rise.
Quote, unquote, the streets

707
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,870
rejected Whitney Houston,
because she was seeing at this

708
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:14,970
rich kid, quote unquote poser on
a side quote unquote too much,

709
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:19,290
but I don't want to be my think
may make people think I'm saying

710
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:23,190
this about her. But it was, you
know, she's a poser, her small

711
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:26,880
city, Houston. She was born with
a silver spoon in her mouth. She

712
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,270
was born on third base kind of
thing. And here she come making

713
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,960
pop music. Because at the time,
that's what it was. It was pop

714
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,470
music,

715
00:48:34,739 --> 00:48:37,019
Adam Curry: though. I remember
interviewing her at the time.

716
00:48:37,019 --> 00:48:41,189
She was like, Yeah, because we
were in Holland. So we kind of

717
00:48:41,219 --> 00:48:43,739
knew a little bit about what was
happening with her. And that

718
00:48:43,739 --> 00:48:48,479
rejection, although many of the
just getting in we'd have the

719
00:48:48,479 --> 00:48:51,329
internet. So the information
didn't flow as fast. And she

720
00:48:51,329 --> 00:48:53,219
would say, you know, I'm just
seeing and I'm just who I am.

721
00:48:53,219 --> 00:48:57,209
I'm just saying who I am. And
she was, she was she seemed very

722
00:48:57,209 --> 00:49:00,059
genuine about that. But I'm just
doing my thing here and people

723
00:49:00,059 --> 00:49:01,739
can say what they want to say.

724
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,850
Moe Factz: Wish it was who she
was. She was born on third base.

725
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,120
I mean, we can talk about in the
news industry. Her mom was a

726
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,050
legend in the in the church and
secular music, you know, so you

727
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:20,550
can't say it's not but what
happened was she was somewhat

728
00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:25,560
rejected, because of the
authenticity is like that's,

729
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:30,060
that doesn't resonate with us.
You know, I'm from St. Louis,

730
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:33,870
Michael Jackson. You know,
that's what the whole bad video

731
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:37,680
was about was. Man, I'm trying
to make something different here

732
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,040
like thriller and the world
loves it. But people want to

733
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,120
hear that Oh, Michael Jackson,
you know, the off the wall, more

734
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:48,780
soulful sound. And that's the
struggle. And that's why I

735
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:54,300
wanted to bring it up because
the is these people are pouring

736
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:58,500
in so many different ways across
the secular line and staying

737
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,740
Christian and then And once you
go secular, do you go

738
00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,160
commercial? Or do you stay quote
unquote, urban in it, what is

739
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,950
the person to do? And then you
become isolated. Like, I believe

740
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:16,140
she did it until you make it so
big that we got to claim you

741
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:16,650
back in.

742
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:21,630
Adam Curry: And that was kind of
the beauty of all of Anthony, is

743
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:24,390
he said, Hey, you know, people
offering me millions of dollars,

744
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:27,420
I'm not interested. I'm just me.
I'm not interested. I don't want

745
00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:30,750
to do any of it. I'm just making
songs in my backyard. So So we

746
00:50:30,750 --> 00:50:31,080
hear.

747
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:36,330
Moe Factz: Right? I think we
stopped that too. Yep. Let's go

748
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:39,330
and get into number three.
Women? No, I think we know

749
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:43,260
excuse me, number 12. Number 12.
Hooping is,

750
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,240
Unknown: is an art form. And it
is. And it is based on musical

751
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,510
scales. Okay. As I was as I was
saying, and usually the person

752
00:50:54,510 --> 00:51:01,890
who is a Hooper is familiar
with, and in many cases, also

753
00:51:01,890 --> 00:51:10,710
gifted as a singer. And who, and
though they may not know,

754
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:16,410
mechanically, and it's
intellectual lay exactly what

755
00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:21,030
they are doing, they know what
they are doing. When it comes to

756
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:25,440
following, you know, musical
tones and, and that, and to be

757
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,290
able to do that at the same time
that you are continuously giving

758
00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:38,430
a message and saying something
of substance, you know, it takes

759
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:45,780
work, and, and you sacrifice,
probably a number of good

760
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:51,630
sermons in your efforts to
develop that skill. You know,

761
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:52,230
so.

762
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:56,880
Adam Curry: Yeah, music theory
totally.

763
00:51:59,190 --> 00:52:01,890
Moe Factz: Via spoken word.
That's the weird thing about it,

764
00:52:01,890 --> 00:52:06,090
like so? Is it actually singing?
Or is it spoken word? The same

765
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:10,890
thing without rapping? Is
rapping just a poem? On a beat?

766
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:15,540
Or is an actual music within
itself? Right? So we're peeling

767
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:21,600
back this onion. To see which
way it goes in, this is going to

768
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,350
get me 13

769
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:27,960
Unknown: I had a friend, I had a
friend who I mean, he would tell

770
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,300
me, he says, You know, I get my
hook together. And then I decide

771
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:39,180
what I'm gonna preach. And, and
he he was a tremendous super,

772
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:45,900
and he and he was effective with
it. But you know, and in most

773
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:50,880
cases, the, the build up, you
know, from the start of that

774
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,710
sermon, as as you know, I say to
preachers for the preservation

775
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:58,740
of voice, because sometimes
people you know, want to know,

776
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,000
you know, as a Hooper, how do
you, you know, keep your voice,

777
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,260
how do you, you know, preach for
five, six times, and we can

778
00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:12,660
still maintain the voice can do
tremendous things, if you treat

779
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:17,550
it properly. If you abuse it,
then you're going to spend most

780
00:53:17,550 --> 00:53:22,020
of your time horse or with a
sore throat or whatever it may

781
00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:27,870
be. And so to build and to pay
attention to that, and to

782
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:33,690
prepare the material in your
sermon. So that if this point

783
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:42,180
requires a lot of energy and
effort, and passion to express,

784
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:46,770
don't put that early in your
sermon, because you're going to,

785
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,530
you're going to overload you're
gonna burn yourself out and many

786
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:52,710
times the crowd is gonna go with
you. So they're gonna take you

787
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:56,970
up there, and your voice won't
be able to finish that that

788
00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:58,260
message in many cases.

789
00:53:59,190 --> 00:54:03,750
Adam Curry: While there is there
is a Baptist version white

790
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,840
Baptist preacher versions called
the holy wine and w h i n e,

791
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:15,000
Moe Factz: is that is that um,
was called fire and brimstone.

792
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:17,280
Southern Baptist is part

793
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,220
Adam Curry: of that and putting
it high. Putting that

794
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:24,000
Moe Factz: you know who, you
know who has a similar cadence

795
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:31,110
to that? Oh, Alex Jones, who,
when he gets the rolling light,

796
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:32,250
well, he's really on his

797
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:35,220
Adam Curry: roll. Yeah, you're
right. He has

798
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:37,080
Moe Factz: that Southern
Baptists. That's why I knew

799
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,240
exactly what you were talking
about when you said that. It's

800
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:44,340
that old time churched wood
floor you're saying feeling? And

801
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,220
what brought my attention to
this because I was just like,

802
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:50,640
This is what we do. But I
remember like on public access

803
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,540
television, they had these two
church shows that used to come

804
00:54:54,540 --> 00:55:01,290
home. One was a Spanish, but he
had this Zach cadence. I have a

805
00:55:01,290 --> 00:55:06,120
hoper. And I was like, Okay,
well, okay, I'll just file that

806
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:12,840
away. And then there was a
Korean church. Cool. Straight up

807
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,580
and down all Korean, you know,
English, and he had the same

808
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:22,230
exact thing. And it was like,
how Don't you know, they just

809
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:24,960
caught my interest, like, maybe
start looking at it a little

810
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,230
deeper and like, this is a
vehicle. You know, that's just

811
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:31,170
like when you hear rappers, you
know, you can hear a rapper in

812
00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:36,030
French and right? You okay? It's
like, okay, you're rapping like

813
00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:39,420
an American, right? If that's
understood, because it's the

814
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:43,980
it's the pattern on the flow
that you could pick up on. So

815
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:47,880
Alright, so now we had to go
back to Mr. Jasper Williams. Now

816
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,630
you tell me if this is a is this
a fishtail or not? This is

817
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:56,730
Jasper wheels. Having him
somebody important ask him to

818
00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:57,720
teach them how to hoop

819
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:05,730
Unknown: That's exactly true. We
were on the outside of a hotel.

820
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:09,180
With a lot of preachers standing
around I can't remember just

821
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:14,280
what the occasion was. But he
said Jasper, this is my Luther

822
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,870
King Jr. Saying Jasper Jasper
that voice the way you do your

823
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:23,070
voice can you show me how to do
that? I said king I don't need

824
00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:25,830
to show you how to do that. What
do you mean jazz but you don't

825
00:56:25,830 --> 00:56:29,790
need to show me how to do that.
I said because you got that ring

826
00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:33,930
in your voice that nobody else
has. I mean you know I got a

827
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:37,050
dream I had a dream as it not
mocked him a little bit he said

828
00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:42,000
no no, no, I want to go up a
little higher. I said do what He

829
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,450
said that you do I want to know
how to do that. As a doctor let

830
00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:52,410
me tell you I have the
philosophy that everybody can

831
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:57,120
hoop who wants to hoop and so
whenever you get time and you

832
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,810
want me to seriously sit down
and show you what I think you

833
00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:04,410
could do with your voice as it
relates to being a Hooper I'd be

834
00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:09,150
glad to do that. But no I am
telling you this. I don't think

835
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:13,890
you need to who know more than
you have that pretty wine when

836
00:57:13,890 --> 00:57:17,430
you speak and when you preach
and we all chuckled about that

837
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,609
Moe Factz: huh Is that why
you're

838
00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,430
Adam Curry: talking about yeah
interesting because it's like a

839
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:27,240
crossover I'm okay I'm okay was
a crossover artists

840
00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:33,930
Moe Factz: that's exactly why I
think he if true that not all

841
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:37,710
will be the reason why he wanted
to hope is like that I Have a

842
00:57:37,710 --> 00:57:43,110
Dream speech will fly for the
nation. But when you go back

843
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:47,910
home to these down south
churches you gotta come with

844
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:52,530
with the real me not not taking
anything away from Dr. King. But

845
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:56,760
as you see, even himself with
his story is true. He was like

846
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,570
this resonates with a certain
crowd but I need to I need to

847
00:58:00,570 --> 00:58:05,940
reach another kind of crowd. And
what is similar to what you were

848
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:09,120
saying about Whitney Houston? He
was born with a silver spoon in

849
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,860
his mouth. Born on third base
and preaching right so now

850
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:17,340
you're here because of your who
your dad is and who your

851
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:23,040
granddad was? So I'm sure there
were some insecurities and not

852
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,400
having what I'm going to play
next are real Hooper. This is

853
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,910
Jasper Williams in action but
nothing he was insecure about

854
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:30,180
that.

855
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:17,400
Unknown: You know when he was
when he

856
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:32,520
came down at his feet

857
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:40,830
for now

858
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:54,570
need no sleep

859
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,500
Adam Curry: Oh, that's another
way of reading scripture. That's

860
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:05,130
great.

861
01:00:05,759 --> 01:00:09,509
Moe Factz: Didn't When did you
pick up the BB King and the

862
01:00:10,139 --> 01:00:11,489
James Brown? Oh,

863
01:00:11,490 --> 01:00:14,880
Adam Curry: yeah, all of it. Of
course, of course, the I even

864
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:21,090
hear Eddie Murphy's, you know,
take off and Oh, my God, what

865
01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:24,540
did you just say? I mean, it's
all in there, it's all in there.

866
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:31,920
Moe Factz: And Mr. space for the
call and I had to stop, I know

867
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,130
you're gonna hit your mark is
the audience, everybody's on cue

868
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,070
and time to hit bear, you know,
call and respond and out. And

869
01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:44,490
I'm going up the scales
musically at the same time as

870
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:48,090
pasting the crowd. If I don't
know if you've ever been in an

871
01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:52,950
environment with that, well,
there is electricity. And this

872
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:56,970
is why a lot of people Jim
Jones, and, you know, use the

873
01:00:56,970 --> 01:01:02,250
pulpit to pull off mass mind
control, because that power is

874
01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:06,900
real. And people are open to
receive it. Because a lot of

875
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:09,300
time when you go to church, you
either need your battery

876
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,680
charged, you know, or you got
some heavy on you. And you're

877
01:01:13,710 --> 01:01:21,360
opening yourself up to me. I'm
reached. In that, I say that

878
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:26,640
that's a very, and it carries
over to music and it gets

879
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:31,260
whittled down the line. I mean,
here the blue raishin. Go ahead.

880
01:01:31,350 --> 01:01:31,920
Oh, no, even

881
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,740
Adam Curry: the simplest,
everybody say, hey, hey,

882
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:39,360
everybody say how? Oh, I mean,
even that's the simplest form of

883
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:39,570
it.

884
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:44,850
Moe Factz: In even if you don't
know what they're saying, here's

885
01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:49,800
an example of African origin or
color response, followed by an

886
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,000
American version of

887
01:01:53,010 --> 01:01:58,620
Unknown: musical musical with
the cardi cadeau. devote most of

888
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:05,340
my brain Yeah, yeah, both they
allow focus. We both said, do

889
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:10,050
what I do it

890
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:22,290
everybody just got back from
England. Everybody's talking

891
01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:29,700
about the rockin claim. Love it.
I just finished my tour in

892
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:35,130
Germany. I just dove into it. I
went on down in Sweden, last

893
01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:39,540
October in Belgium. And I went
oh god in France. I went over in

894
01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:47,130
Australia. Everybody's shaking.
Now rocking. And all that. Good.

895
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:50,640
And I just made it back around
to that to know that it's time

896
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,350
for you to shake. I want you to
get it. Come on. David.

897
01:02:57,810 --> 01:03:03,810
Adam Curry: Richard, Richard, of
course. I love that. I love

898
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:08,460
bands like Pom Pom, the bands
and the crowd. Everybody is in

899
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:10,410
rhythm and it's totally in sync.
I love it.

900
01:03:11,489 --> 01:03:15,839
Moe Factz: That's the rhythm.
I'm speaking of it. You heard it

901
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:19,139
with even African example. I
don't know what the heck they

902
01:03:19,139 --> 01:03:24,299
were saying. But they were on
time. And even even his delivery

903
01:03:24,299 --> 01:03:27,119
wasn't the same every time.
Right? It was shorter than

904
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,749
longer, but they were still
hitting it right on time. So you

905
01:03:30,749 --> 01:03:33,839
may people may ask, well, that's
trivial. What are you? What are

906
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:36,629
you talking about? All right.
This is where the story gets

907
01:03:36,629 --> 01:03:41,219
personal. My grandfather worked
on the railroad, my father's

908
01:03:41,219 --> 01:03:46,529
father, up until the point where
he was given an ultimatum to

909
01:03:46,529 --> 01:03:52,559
bless somebody's head or go
home. Luckily, he chose to go

910
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:59,969
home because he was like, I got
seven kids. But he was part of a

911
01:03:59,969 --> 01:04:03,959
group called Gandy dancers. And
these next clips are going to

912
01:04:03,959 --> 01:04:06,779
explain what it is but I'll
briefly explain so everybody

913
01:04:06,779 --> 01:04:09,899
wouldn't be in the dark. These
are the guys that were

914
01:04:09,899 --> 01:04:13,409
straightener railroads with
these long poles. And they

915
01:04:13,409 --> 01:04:15,869
wouldn't attempt to the whole
railroad system except me like

916
01:04:15,869 --> 01:04:21,419
the whole rail system. But
there's one specific job had a

917
01:04:21,659 --> 01:04:27,569
certain need to be on cadence to
move these heavy rails weighed

918
01:04:27,569 --> 01:04:27,749
me

919
01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:29,850
Adam Curry: react because
everyone had to move, pull the

920
01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:31,080
pipes at the same time,

921
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,560
Moe Factz: simultaneously, Tommy
16.

922
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:42,569
Unknown: The work calls these
retired railroad laborers are

923
01:04:42,569 --> 01:04:47,459
demonstrating grow out of a
tradition they helped shape in

924
01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:51,179
the segregated south. It was
primarily African American men

925
01:04:51,179 --> 01:04:54,809
who served as the custodians of
the railway lines playing and

926
01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:59,759
maintaining tracks by hand
labor. These section crews were

927
01:04:59,759 --> 01:05:05,729
no As Gandy dancers. They work
for companies like the southern

928
01:05:05,759 --> 01:05:09,899
lnn and seaboard, doing what was
considered the most physically

929
01:05:09,899 --> 01:05:13,739
demanding and the lowest paying
jobs on the railroad. Gandy

930
01:05:13,739 --> 01:05:17,669
dancers were expected to lay new
rail, replace rod and cross

931
01:05:17,669 --> 01:05:21,659
ties. Prepare tracks damaged by
floods and tightly packed with

932
01:05:21,659 --> 01:05:26,129
tap the gravel bed of which the
rails lay. But most of the time

933
01:05:26,129 --> 01:05:29,879
was spent straightening sections
of track that have been pounded

934
01:05:29,909 --> 01:05:33,089
out of alignment by the
tremendous and frequent weight

935
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:39,449
passing trains. Using five foot
steel lining bars, each weighing

936
01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:44,189
over 20 pounds. Gangs pulled in
unison inching the track back

937
01:05:44,189 --> 01:05:50,279
into line. coordination and
timing each man's exertion was

938
01:05:50,279 --> 01:05:54,419
critical. One member of the
game, the Kohler synchronized

939
01:05:54,419 --> 01:05:57,929
the gross physical movements
with his voice, ensuring safety

940
01:05:57,929 --> 01:06:01,469
and pacing while spiritually
uplifting the man at their work.

941
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,560
Adam Curry: Man, I never hear
this when they're talking about

942
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,890
racism. This is good. The color
I like it.

943
01:06:08,759 --> 01:06:14,639
Moe Factz: So this is a metaphor
in itself that left unattended

944
01:06:15,539 --> 01:06:18,389
if we get on the same frequency
moving the same way.

945
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,080
Adam Curry: You are capable of
anything capable of moving

946
01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:26,160
railroad tracks that are need to
be straightened through rock

947
01:06:27,810 --> 01:06:31,890
Moe Factz: capable of doing more
than the individual parts can do

948
01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:36,450
alone. It's like that. So one
plus one equals three mentality.

949
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:43,350
And I think that the people that
want to control this world

950
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:46,710
understand that, and this is the
reason why they had to keep it

951
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:50,220
under their thumb. Now I'm gonna
go this might be a Space Jam

952
01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:53,580
reach. But I don't know if
you've watched space. Watch

953
01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:57,630
Shrek movies. If you've seen
him? No, I'm sorry. No. Well,

954
01:06:57,660 --> 01:07:00,600
there was one with
Rumpelstiltskin, right. And he

955
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,960
called in, he was the bad guy,
the villain. And he called him

956
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,700
the Pied Piper and a pied piper.
Cassette hits flute to any

957
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:14,160
animal, or ogre. And he will
play an augers would dance

958
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,520
however he wanted to dance with.
I think that was an illusion to

959
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:23,190
reach the illusion to if you can
control the music, you can

960
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:25,380
control the movement of the
people.

961
01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:31,560
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. I mean,
this has been, I think the most

962
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,570
recent example that a lot of
people know about is Hitler's

963
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:36,990
boy.

964
01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,160
Moe Factz: Gubbels. Yeah, who
would

965
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,910
Adam Curry: play Ride of the
Valkyries? Before every speech

966
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:49,770
that would rile people up? You
know, there's the whole 432

967
01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:54,960
hertz and changing the changing
where a starts all this stuff?

968
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,440
Sure.

969
01:07:56,009 --> 01:07:59,999
Moe Factz: Every drummer has a
every army has a drummer.

970
01:08:00,150 --> 01:08:01,710
Adam Curry: Yes, exactly. Yes.

971
01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:06,240
Moe Factz: Every hour, okay, how
old army is every drill, every

972
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,510
army has a drummer. And it's
something to that beat itself to

973
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:13,680
that cadence. And it's something
to the collective effort, which

974
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,530
you got to have timing just like
when a motor or anything else,

975
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,480
the gears have to be spinning on
a certain timing with the timing

976
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:27,060
built to maximize force, which I
think that this is where the

977
01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:32,040
control comes in. They are
fearful as they shouldn't be.

978
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:35,460
Yeah. You know, if you're trying
to run a wall a one world

979
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:38,730
government, you gotta you gotta
make sure you control the voices

980
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,260
or you introduce your own voices
into the fray to mislead the

981
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:43,710
people.

982
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:46,290
Adam Curry: Oh, this is gonna be
interesting with the value for

983
01:08:46,290 --> 01:08:49,500
value music system we've started
they're not going to take that

984
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:51,180
lightly is what I'm thinking
now.

985
01:08:51,900 --> 01:08:57,060
Moe Factz: Know when the big
guys show up like curry? Curry.

986
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,320
She would know how to go Yeah,

987
01:09:01,410 --> 01:09:08,040
Adam Curry: sure. Sure. GBG
Exactly.

988
01:09:22,290 --> 01:09:25,770
Unknown: Had one, one fellow he
was saying he was a good son.

989
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:31,590
And he's saying to him and he
said I got the St. Louis Blues.

990
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:43,830
Blues I can be I got St Louis
move. There blue that can be so

991
01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:51,300
we had whiteboard would make him
saying to you know Miss Chang

992
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:57,510
and get it to showtime saying
that saying. So he's saying. He

993
01:09:57,510 --> 01:10:05,460
said I got the same day. out,
they say, Hey, I got same damn

994
01:10:05,460 --> 01:10:12,330
thing. And we would always boost
him saying,

995
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:16,050
Adam Curry: Oh, that's good to
know.

996
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:22,980
Moe Factz: Go to show you that
man and, man, the same boat. But

997
01:10:22,980 --> 01:10:27,540
there's different. You know,
this is what is perplexing about

998
01:10:27,570 --> 01:10:31,320
the race conversation. Because
you can have people in the same

999
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,480
socio economic levels are close.
But there's still a difference.

1000
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,650
And can you explain it? It's
hard to explain, and they do a

1001
01:10:40,650 --> 01:10:44,400
great job of confusing everybody
with it. But this is why I mean,

1002
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,410
you had this conversation, but
help because

1003
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:49,440
Adam Curry: how about this for a
second? So and the reason is, as

1004
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:54,780
you pointed out, right on early
on, is frequency. What is light

1005
01:10:54,780 --> 01:10:59,220
and color? Frequency just a
different frequency? Yeah, it's

1006
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:02,850
frequency, but it's a different
frequency. So as long as we're

1007
01:11:02,850 --> 01:11:06,060
going through this, I'm
thinking, Yeah, you know, people

1008
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:10,410
will resonate differently based
upon frequencies that are

1009
01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:14,850
inherent to them. So even
melanin can have, you know, Kim

1010
01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:17,580
to have a different frequency.
I'm thinking now that's part of

1011
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:18,420
what this is.

1012
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:22,650
Moe Factz: I think every
frequency is needed. It's like

1013
01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:27,300
saying, Oh, we only want certain
bands that light you know, we

1014
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:29,850
don't need Roy, it will say just
give me dB.

1015
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:32,310
Adam Curry: Yeah, good point.

1016
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:37,499
Moe Factz: So all of his needed,
you know, but at the same time,

1017
01:11:37,979 --> 01:11:40,649
you can manipulate those
frequencies and make them look

1018
01:11:40,649 --> 01:11:43,079
like you want to and it's kind
of like what a diode right?

1019
01:11:43,139 --> 01:11:46,049
Yeah, a light emitting diode.
You can tune that frequency to

1020
01:11:46,049 --> 01:11:50,039
make it whatever color you want
it to be right on. So this is

1021
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:55,469
the mass mind control. So going
for it. Here's an example of a

1022
01:11:55,469 --> 01:11:59,729
legendary I remember him from
school, John Henry, you will get

1023
01:11:59,729 --> 01:12:06,869
this with Paul Bunyan. And it
wasn't something Pecos was it

1024
01:12:06,869 --> 01:12:12,479
cuz I had one like it was a
Mexican character. Paul Bunyan

1025
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,549
was quote, unquote, the white
character. And then John Henry

1026
01:12:17,549 --> 01:12:20,729
was the black character, the
mythical figures, you know, the

1027
01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:24,059
baby needs Blue Ox, you know,
you know, that kind of thing.

1028
01:12:24,509 --> 01:12:28,589
And here's the story behind that
it calls in line with the train

1029
01:12:28,589 --> 01:12:29,039
story.

1030
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:36,480
Unknown: telecon, West Virginia.
Tear at the foot of the

1031
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:40,290
Allegheny Mountains, lives a
decommissioned railroad tunnel,

1032
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:45,660
known as the Great Ben.
According to folklore, this was

1033
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:50,130
the site of a famous legend from
the 1870s. About a superhuman

1034
01:12:50,130 --> 01:12:54,210
railroad worker. John Henry

1035
01:12:55,710 --> 01:13:00,450
the legend is that John Henry
was 662 180 pounds, musculus

1036
01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:06,180
solid, glistening, you could see
him half a mile away. The Legend

1037
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:08,970
has it that he was born in
enslavement, and he had all

1038
01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:12,180
these goals for his family
coming out of enslavement when

1039
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:15,390
he says, I want a good job I
want to provide for my family.

1040
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:21,270
And he saw the scene a railroad
Lane track. And John Henry shows

1041
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:28,200
up and says, Your guy has a bid.
Any man who signed up to work

1042
01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:32,550
would get 50 acres of land. If
they completed the railroad,

1043
01:13:33,570 --> 01:13:35,910
then sometimes its railroad had
to be completed through a

1044
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:40,110
mountain. And so John Henry not
simply laid rail, the railroad

1045
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:43,920
track, but he had to drive his
stake into the rock, which

1046
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,870
creates enough space to then
load dynamite. John Henry was

1047
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:52,800
the best steel driver. And then
here comes a man with the steam

1048
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,600
drill. The legend speaks of this
race taking place between John

1049
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,680
Henry and the machine.

1050
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:03,720
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's one of my
favorites. John Henry in the

1051
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,290
main factor, you know, we have
two Bitcoin miners. Yeah, the

1052
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:11,040
House One of them is Rosie the
Riveter. That's Tina's and mine

1053
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:17,040
is John Henry. Seriously? Yeah.
Yeah. The machine had to have a

1054
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,710
name right? Just fall on the
network. Right? I'm like, What's

1055
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:21,900
the most famous minor I know
John Henry.

1056
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,650
Moe Factz: And then John Henry
battled the machine.

1057
01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:29,040
Adam Curry: Did I know I know
without any one and then the way

1058
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,740
I remember the story he died of
a heart attack right on the spot

1059
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:32,910
after he beat the machine.

1060
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:34,290
Moe Factz: Yeah, God was
correct.

1061
01:14:39,390 --> 01:14:45,780
It was worth it. But not as it's
amazing to use John Henry as the

1062
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:50,490
name because this is what read
me being me who I am. You know,

1063
01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:52,440
they break out these books. I'm
like, give me the black

1064
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:56,670
character. You know, this is and
it was okay. John Henry. But you

1065
01:14:56,670 --> 01:15:02,460
know what, as I look back Back
to 2020 when I was doing this

1066
01:15:02,490 --> 01:15:08,370
show, George Floyd has a lot of
imagery to John.

1067
01:15:09,089 --> 01:15:13,469
Adam Curry: A lot of the size
the stature, yeah, physical look

1068
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:17,490
Moe Factz: at those statues that
they made of George Floyd. It's

1069
01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:21,360
the imagery is there and we're
talking about subconscious

1070
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:25,350
things resonate with us, we that
we don't even realize resonate

1071
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:28,410
with us. Wow. And it didn't
resonate to me until I heard her

1072
01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,860
start describing, you know, John
Hendricks features and things

1073
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:35,640
like that. And so I like George
Floyd, which is that was that a

1074
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,090
manipulation tactic? Who knows?
Or is it

1075
01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:41,700
Adam Curry: something that just
that is inherent and people

1076
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:45,210
gravitate toward it? Because
that story has been told for

1077
01:15:45,210 --> 01:15:46,080
generations?

1078
01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:51,810
Moe Factz: Right? And this is
the archetype for what I was

1079
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,850
talking about before the 50
cents the LL Cool J. Yeah,

1080
01:15:56,850 --> 01:16:02,790
LeBron James, even you know,
these myth these superhuman, you

1081
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:08,460
know, superhuman human figures
that give hope Shaq shot is a

1082
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:14,520
perfect example, which was who
the Man of Steel Yeah. Ha. Night

1083
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:14,940
thing.

1084
01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:21,150
Unknown: As the story goes,
there was a competition between

1085
01:16:21,150 --> 01:16:26,040
John and Mr. C, which is the
drill farms into the side of a

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01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,330
mountain in a single day. During
the contest, the strength of

1087
01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:35,970
John is so powerful. The blows
from is twin sledgehammers, the

1088
01:16:35,970 --> 01:16:37,140
mountain itself.

1089
01:16:39,570 --> 01:16:43,830
The story is that the steam
drill only went nine feet, John

1090
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:49,680
Henry went 14. And so John Henry
is superhuman and more supreme

1091
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:50,400
than the machine.

1092
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:58,740
John Henry beats the machine in
this this competition. But he

1093
01:16:58,740 --> 01:17:03,360
passes away he dies of a heart
attack. He dies from

1094
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:10,440
overexertion. And what we have
here is, John Henry begins to

1095
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:16,260
symbolize this overpowering
physique of a muscle man, and

1096
01:17:17,070 --> 01:17:21,360
the ability to achieve in the
face of extreme odds.

1097
01:17:23,070 --> 01:17:27,030
The Legend of John Henry
represents this black man, this

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01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:31,410
hero who did superhuman feats
from the 19th century, it

1099
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,010
overshadows the harshness of the
Reconstruction period. But it

1100
01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:38,910
also shows us how black men who
were able bodied, who had that

1101
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:43,380
spirit of willing to do anything
they needed to do to provide for

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01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:44,190
their families.

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01:17:46,110 --> 01:17:51,120
Moe Factz: Ma, big cliff. And
this is like you said, this is a

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:56,190
lose to this. And they go on
into the superhuman conversation

1105
01:17:56,190 --> 01:18:00,270
in this. And that longer part of
that piece that lends to

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01:18:00,270 --> 01:18:01,050
Superman.

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01:18:01,140 --> 01:18:03,210
Adam Curry: Let me ask you that
lens. What do you think the

1108
01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:07,350
significance is in the story? So
he would do anything for his

1109
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:10,710
family, we got that he was
stronger. He was better than the

1110
01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:18,570
machine but yet at the end, he
dies. What is iced but what to

1111
01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:19,410
do without GMO,

1112
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:27,870
Moe Factz: he won, he won. But
he had to die. And gifts as in

1113
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:29,850
is going to come up. I'm just
gonna go ahead and put it out

1114
01:18:29,850 --> 01:18:33,210
there. We got to start having a
conversation about AI

1115
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:41,070
specifically in music. Okay,
this is the saying this is the

1116
01:18:41,070 --> 01:18:44,820
repack your story. Here comes a
machine that says that it can

1117
01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:45,870
outperform humans

1118
01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:49,860
Adam Curry: who will be the John
Henry fighting against the AI

1119
01:18:49,860 --> 01:18:50,550
music.

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01:18:52,110 --> 01:18:55,530
Moe Factz: It has to be done or
that they're there. They're

1121
01:18:55,530 --> 01:19:01,500
setting it up to where it's
going to be very, may basically

1122
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:05,730
build your own music. That's
where they're going with this to

1123
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:11,850
where you write the song that
you want it to hear. Right now,

1124
01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:14,700
we're not we're a long way off
from that, but we're fat it's

1125
01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:17,730
fast, you know, we're fastly
approaching but we're a long way

1126
01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:23,730
off if that makes sense. Because
with the with the new modern

1127
01:19:23,730 --> 01:19:28,440
technology, it's gonna be just
typing the words and Draco's

1128
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:29,310
thing it for you.

1129
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:32,700
Adam Curry: Right I mean, you
know you and I may be not

1130
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:37,890
entirely aligned on this because
my feeling is just looking at

1131
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:42,480
what AI is doing with words man
people who really work with

1132
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:47,100
words are like this is crap
Yeah, it can you can have it you

1133
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:50,550
can have Drake do a song the way
you set it up but it's always

1134
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:53,730
going to be Drake. It's not
there's nothing I have yet to

1135
01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:58,920
hear something new to me it's
all remix. You know, it's all

1136
01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:00,750
Moe Factz: made that's the point
is gonna get It's just gonna be

1137
01:20:00,750 --> 01:20:05,370
a regurgitation was gonna be
what it'll do is put the user

1138
01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:09,450
center by listening to my
version of Drake songs, right,

1139
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,460
Adam Curry: which I don't think
I don't think will be very

1140
01:20:11,460 --> 01:20:14,220
successful. It just to me,
that's, that's not how art

1141
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:15,720
works. Well, let's just

1142
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:20,580
Moe Factz: be honest 85% of
people's tastes and music sucks.

1143
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:25,740
And they all and they all just
be honest, and they gravitate

1144
01:20:25,770 --> 01:20:29,430
toward what's fair to them. This
is what made the DJ so

1145
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,880
important, because he could go
through and pick these records,

1146
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:34,890
and putting together you know,

1147
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:37,260
Adam Curry: let me let me say
another thing I've noticed,

1148
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:40,800
thank you for bringing that up.
I know, I know, inherently Of

1149
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,460
course, I know this repetition
makes hits. But I didn't realize

1150
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,540
that even on a show that has its
first episode, like 6000 people

1151
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:50,940
download it was not even as it
comes out of the blue, right?

1152
01:20:50,940 --> 01:20:54,870
There's no promotion, just do
it. And, and I realized three

1153
01:20:54,870 --> 01:21:00,420
episodes in. I've played one
song each show, and now it's a

1154
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:04,200
hit. It's just the enemies. And
only I've been playing it one

1155
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,080
guy, but to the 6000 people
like, oh, this song is a hit

1156
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,960
this thing is great. But I could
do that with any song. That's

1157
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,790
good. Anything that's good to
hear? Yes, yes, yeah. But I

1158
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:18,180
didn't realize how well I did
realize it. But not until you

1159
01:21:18,180 --> 01:21:22,830
really understand the radio, and
the music business, which is,

1160
01:21:22,860 --> 01:21:26,040
you know, now it's really
automated. It's just, you know,

1161
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:29,670
if every station everywhere on
the dial is pumping out the same

1162
01:21:29,940 --> 01:21:34,260
song, for weeks at a time is
just going to be a hit, unless

1163
01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:38,700
it's a total piece of crap is
always going to work. If this is

1164
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:42,210
the mind blowing thing for me,
it's not necessarily the best

1165
01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:46,170
song. But it's the song that has
a catchy thing that is that is

1166
01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:49,290
presented to you over and over
again. And then it just becomes

1167
01:21:49,380 --> 01:21:51,720
I wake up singing some of these
songs.

1168
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:56,460
Moe Factz: Because you have a
great taste in music. And people

1169
01:21:56,460 --> 01:22:00,600
appreciate that, which, that's
why it's called taste. I mean,

1170
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:05,160
people a lot of people are,
taste them, if that's a word is

1171
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,150
like do not taste that. It's
like, like the palate for wine.

1172
01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:12,210
Right? You know, you give an
average person some wine, they

1173
01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:17,280
don't taste the difference.
Like, let's let's place the wood

1174
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,070
that the barrel, you know,
maple, you know, that kind of

1175
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:20,250
thing.

1176
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,060
Adam Curry: But Andres is still
pretty popular, you know, comes

1177
01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:24,780
in a box,

1178
01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:28,440
Moe Factz: you know, because
that's what's available to the

1179
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,440
people you know, when you go
when you go to the store. Yeah,

1180
01:22:31,470 --> 01:22:35,760
and this is what curating is all
about, is I'm not gonna go to

1181
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,850
Walmart and pick my wine. I'm
gonna ride out to the

1182
01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:41,850
countryside and find a vineyard,
right, and nobody's heard of the

1183
01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:44,730
find that one ball of wine
that's going to shine at the

1184
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:47,640
dinner. And this is what we're
doing with music, and everything

1185
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:52,590
else, which is not to harp on
the point. But you centering the

1186
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:57,630
curator, is desexualize I mean,
it's centralization and D

1187
01:22:57,630 --> 01:23:02,040
centralizing at the same time.
Exactly. If that makes sense.

1188
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:07,140
Yes, yeah. Focus on me, trust my
ear. And I'm gonna give you some

1189
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:12,420
great music. Which that's why
people tune into DJs in that's

1190
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:17,070
why people went to shows because
it's like, oh, DJ, so and so got

1191
01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:21,180
a killer set. He's playing out
I've never heard before he has

1192
01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:24,450
breakbeats I've never heard
before, you know, to the point

1193
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:27,540
where you got to start covering
up your album labels, you know,

1194
01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:31,830
because everybody who starts out
is still like, yeah, what do you

1195
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:38,220
got? Build a curry algorithm
healthy thinking. With that

1196
01:23:38,220 --> 01:23:41,790
said, I just want to show you
how to draw Henry has went on

1197
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:45,300
and carried on the legend. This
is Harry Belafonte, I think in

1198
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:50,640
the 1950s and this is the John
Henry song and we possibly can

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01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,980
go into the donation segment
after this.

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01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:58,650
Unknown: John Henry he could
have he could whistle he could

1201
01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:03,630
sing to the mountain early in
the morning just to hear his

1202
01:24:03,630 --> 01:24:08,280
Hammer Ring Lord Lord just to
hear his Hammer ring just to

1203
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,470
hear his Hammer Ring Lord Lord
just to hear his Hammer ring by

1204
01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:18,570
John Henry was a little baby
sitting on his that his knee

1205
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,380
picked up a hammer and a little
pieces do you use a hammer be

1206
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:26,370
the death of me Lord God, yes,
hammer will be the death of me.

1207
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:30,600
As Pam will be the death of me
Lord, Lord, yes, hammer be the

1208
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:36,720
day that can be family needed
money, said he didn't have a

1209
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,520
dime. If you wait till the sun
goes down. I'll get it from the

1210
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,880
men in the mind. Lord, Lord,
I'll get it from the man in the

1211
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:49,320
mind. I'll get it from the men
in the mind. Lord, I'll get it

1212
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,360
from the man in the mind. By the
captain said to John Henry. John

1213
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,510
Henry, what can you do? To Jack
diagonally track I can pick and

1214
01:25:00,510 --> 01:25:05,850
shovel to load God, I can pick
and shovel. I can pick and

1215
01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:14,790
shovel to load a lot. I can pick
and shovel to the captain, a

1216
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:19,470
man, but let your steam drill
Beekmantown well, I'll die with

1217
01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:22,980
the hammer in my hand, Lord God,
I'll die with the hammer in my

1218
01:25:22,980 --> 01:25:27,660
head. I'll die with the hammer
in my hand, I'll die with the

1219
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:28,680
hammer in my

1220
01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:32,399
white man and the black men have
to be able to sit down at the

1221
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:35,669
same table, the white man has to
feel free to speak his mind

1222
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:38,459
without hurting the feelings
about negro. And the so called

1223
01:25:38,459 --> 01:25:41,489
Negro has to feel free to speak
his mind without hurting the

1224
01:25:41,489 --> 01:25:44,279
feelings of the white man, then
they can bring the issues that

1225
01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:46,619
are under the rug out on top of
the table and take an

1226
01:25:46,619 --> 01:25:49,139
intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. That's the only

1227
01:25:49,139 --> 01:25:50,369
way we'll ever do it.

1228
01:25:50,429 --> 01:25:52,709
Adam Curry: And we are
definitely doing that. today.

1229
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:56,099
Once again my facts are that I'm
curry and we are value for

1230
01:25:56,099 --> 01:26:00,419
value. People are waiting for
the shows are saying oh

1231
01:26:00,419 --> 01:26:02,729
Wednesday I'm gonna come on we
need another show. We need to we

1232
01:26:02,729 --> 01:26:05,879
come on mo we need something
come on Adam, get off your

1233
01:26:05,879 --> 01:26:10,679
button, stop being on vacation.
Do show we need to show we need

1234
01:26:10,679 --> 01:26:14,609
it. And so we're presenting this
value to you. It is free and

1235
01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:19,169
openly available anywhere you
can get a podcast and all we ask

1236
01:26:19,169 --> 01:26:22,169
is that you consider sending
some value back and it is really

1237
01:26:22,169 --> 01:26:26,309
much, very much appreciated. You
can do it by going to moe

1238
01:26:26,309 --> 01:26:29,189
facts.com to the donation page,
which you can get to directly by

1239
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:34,109
going to mo fund me.com or using
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1240
01:26:34,109 --> 01:26:37,349
the boost button send us
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1241
01:26:37,349 --> 01:26:40,079
find those at podcast apps.com.
We're gonna start off though,

1242
01:26:40,289 --> 01:26:44,249
with some of our Fiat fun
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1243
01:26:44,249 --> 01:26:47,129
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1244
01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:51,930
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on
am Paula

1245
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,790
Adam Curry: big baller with $500
and a note to match which is a

1246
01:26:56,790 --> 01:27:00,240
good one so I don't want to
skimp around too much on it.

1247
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:03,600
Here's what he says he says I'm
a longtime no agenda listener

1248
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,450
and a Baronet. I checked out
your show with Adam a while ago

1249
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:09,150
and had been utterly captivated.
I'm sorry that this notes a

1250
01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:12,090
little long but you inspired me
to reach out and you're with me

1251
01:27:12,090 --> 01:27:14,910
on this mode is a good note. We
gotta read this one yesterday.

1252
01:27:14,910 --> 01:27:18,600
Yes does. In attorney in
California for almost 25 years

1253
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,540
when the COVID frenzy took hold
and 2020 I was operating at a

1254
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:24,570
six attorney law firm, of which
I was the sole owner which gave

1255
01:27:24,570 --> 01:27:27,270
me a lot of independence to
respond to the panic as I saw

1256
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:30,510
fit. I did not close or offer
remote work. This was easy

1257
01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:33,300
because we were declared
essential of course lawyers.

1258
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:38,070
Once the lockdowns began, I
chose to act inspired by the

1259
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:41,910
brave business owners who stayed
open in defiance. I saw a local

1260
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:44,880
news story about a diner being
harassed by code enforcement

1261
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,820
people even worse than the
vortex rat poop inspectors.

1262
01:27:47,850 --> 01:27:51,450
That's pretty bad. I began
offering pro bono legal defense

1263
01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:54,480
to small employers to fight the
citations. We represented

1264
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:58,470
restaurants cell salons, even
jujitsu studios and a laser tag

1265
01:27:58,470 --> 01:28:01,590
arena. When we backed the
government often every case and

1266
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:04,950
they ended up dropping the fines
I even got a zoom call with the

1267
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:07,950
mayor. And I like to think that
I helped persuade him to call

1268
01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:11,850
off the dogs in our town. And
when the Mac Vax mandates began,

1269
01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:15,090
I started I started offering
free legal help across the

1270
01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:18,330
country to get people exemptions
and again had great success.

1271
01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:21,120
Last year, I represented several
people in California who were

1272
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,090
forced out of their jobs for
refusing the job and got them

1273
01:28:24,090 --> 01:28:28,050
monetary compensation. I just
wanted to tell you how much I

1274
01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:31,770
admire your courage Mo and
principled stance against the

1275
01:28:31,770 --> 01:28:35,160
mandates to me the heroes of the
pandemic were business owners

1276
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,680
who defied the lock downs of
people like you who defied the

1277
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,490
mandates, despite the personal
cost to them. I already own my

1278
01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:44,010
own business and control my own
income, which combined with the

1279
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:47,730
magic essential wand meant I
took no risk and paid no price

1280
01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:50,700
for my principles. I
congratulate you on the example

1281
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:53,850
you've set for others it
matters. I've since sold a law

1282
01:28:53,850 --> 01:28:56,820
firm moved to a small, deeply
orange town on the Southern

1283
01:28:56,820 --> 01:29:00,930
Oregon coast. My next stage is
to stay is to get a law license

1284
01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:04,140
here in hopes I can offer
service in my small town against

1285
01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:07,200
what I know is coming for these
wonderful people. My wife and I

1286
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,320
bought our dream home picture
attached which I did not see Is

1287
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:11,490
it A? Is it a dream home?

1288
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:14,370
Moe Factz: No, it's beautiful.
And the view and the view is

1289
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,260
reminiscent of you I have

1290
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,550
Adam Curry: it nice and we are
loving life here best wishes to

1291
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:22,980
you and your family and your
journey. And you are in our

1292
01:29:22,980 --> 01:29:25,590
prayers always Sir Anthony
Myrtle Point Oregon. What a

1293
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:29,460
beautiful note man. Absolutely
beautiful. Thank you so much for

1294
01:29:29,460 --> 01:29:33,150
that and thank you for the 500 I
think Trent Scoville should be

1295
01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:34,140
up there with the ballers.

1296
01:29:35,190 --> 01:29:38,250
Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades
only him

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Adam Curry: because he just sent
$300 No, no, that's a baller

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move right there. Yeah. Love
that take

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Moe Factz: take the money. No,
no. Yeah.

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01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:51,630
Adam Curry: Thank you very much
Trenton Jimmy James $200. I wish

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there was more value I could
provide to ensure the

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01:29:53,730 --> 01:29:56,490
continuation of Mo facts capital
ventures and entrepreneurship

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01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:59,070
enterprises, or whatever the
rebranding, rebuilding of the

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01:29:59,070 --> 01:30:03,150
world around you and your Family
will be. May God continue to

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01:30:03,150 --> 01:30:05,400
bless you and your family
through it. I don't know I have

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01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:11,400
a feeling that God is not
letting Adam and MOBE go just

1307
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:18,240
yet. Seems like we got a lot
more work to do. Yeah 199 from

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01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,510
the American Dreams Mo and Adam
thanks for make good for my

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01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:25,290
donate donation that never even
made it Pio boxes can be a pain

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01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:28,470
I have to remember. I'm finally
getting around to make to my

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01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:31,530
make good and resending
initially was 149 and some

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01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:35,160
change and honored my hobbies
49th birthday in February. And

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01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,830
Dame DeLorean was good enough to
send that out for me along with

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01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:40,800
another 50 Since it's been a
while and I feel I feel bad for

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01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,310
the long delays. So the 199 You
already gave him a biscuit for

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01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:48,000
his birthday. So if you could
play GBG promos, I didn't have

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01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,590
that one queued up, but it's
always, always on deck. Here we

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go.

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Unknown: We have that.

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01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,370
Adam Curry: I'm curious what
your thoughts are on the book To

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01:30:59,370 --> 01:31:02,520
Kill a Mockingbird and also
wondered if you have ever heard

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01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,550
of or read an American plague
concerning the yellow fever

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01:31:05,550 --> 01:31:10,710
epidemic in Philadelphia in 19.
As in 1793, blacks came to the

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01:31:10,710 --> 01:31:13,500
rescue and were poorly treated
despite the generosity is such a

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01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,200
shame. God bless you both and
keep up the important work of

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01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,020
educating the masses. All right,
well, To Kill a Mockingbird,

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you're

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Moe Factz: killing Mockingbird.
So ninth grade I want to say

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01:31:23,129 --> 01:31:28,409
probably so it's a little hazy.
Um, and I haven't read the

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01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:34,199
American plague but To Kill a
Mockingbird. Oh, no. This is

1331
01:31:34,259 --> 01:31:37,679
didn't know No, I don't know. It
just didn't register with me

1332
01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:42,090
Adam Curry: know that it's being
isn't being pulled out of

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01:31:42,090 --> 01:31:43,560
schools To Kill a Mockingbird?

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01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:47,520
Moe Factz: Yeah, I don't know.
Why is another miracle from the

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01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,250
book. Well, I Oh, I understand
why they're trying to at least

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01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,580
understand right what people
will have an issue with but

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01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,180
Adam Curry: but wasn't basically
written for the white man's

1338
01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:59,760
perspective To Kill a
Mockingbird. This wasn't it may

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01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,290
Moe Factz: say the white savior.
You know. And it was more about

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01:32:04,290 --> 01:32:09,690
the relationship between him and
his daughter. That was like the

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01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:13,680
center point. And then the trial
of course, but

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01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:19,140
Adam Curry: yeah, so a swing and
a miss. So we got a good I mean

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01:32:19,140 --> 01:32:22,800
Moe Factz: for the time, but I
don't I don't see what was was a

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01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,610
lightning rod.

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01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:26,730
Adam Curry: These are all by the
way. Executive producers for

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01:32:26,730 --> 01:32:29,910
episode 93 of Mo Fox without
incurring we do the execs and

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01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:35,010
the associate execs in this
first segment and you will be

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01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:38,220
noted as such and credited in
the show notes of this episode,

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as we'll do with Kyle man. 150.
No, no, thank you, Kyle. Janet.

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Pick a knotty value for value
not even close, but I do what I

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can. No, that's the beauty of
the Janet value for value is

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exactly that. If this is what
you can do. It is enormously

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valuable. enormously. It's the
top if we've done it, then you

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01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,160
did. Exactly. Thank you. Jamie
Palacios $100 hate to see the

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show go, but every show was
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Thanks, Mo and Adam, another
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another banger as usual talking
about episode 92 Thanks for the

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truth bombs. That's our
executive producers Associate

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Executive Producers between 50
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for GBG again, man as popular
today GBG for a strong community

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and could I get a mo karma for
the whole family? Of course. We

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you've got Thank you. Chris
Bailey. 93 show number donation

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now. Did you get an email note
from him?

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Moe Factz: No, I mean, what was
that chat? It was no no, I don't

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01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,350
know why I didn't know.

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01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,710
Adam Curry: He will get a show
number donation mentioned for

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that. Thank you Chris. Brandon s
$60.88 No idea why No, no, but

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we like it. Carol Chase Carol.
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No note, Jennifer Cato 60. No
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producer Dame slammy whose
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both sad to see the show and but
are excited about what comes

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next. Well, you're you're in the
final stretch here and we're

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excited as well. 50 from off the
beaten path tours last episode

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with Adam curry. Love your show
and all that you do Boston mom,

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Paula, if you're ever in Boston,
I'd love to have you as a guest

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01:34:56,820 --> 01:35:00,270
on my tour. Prayer. See you
both. Oh, that's a good offer a

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thank you. Anonymous 50 Most
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And that's it. That's our
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Executive producers for episode
93 of Mo facts with Adam curry

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including those who came in with

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Moe Factz: So, I know we've done
a lot of talking about rap, but

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01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:48,570
we haven't got to the rap yet.
And we're not gonna get too much

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01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:53,070
of it in this show. Like I say
I'm laying the underpinnings of

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01:35:53,100 --> 01:36:00,360
what the higher infinite power
is. And why a person like J

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01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,880
Edgar Hoover, and many other
people want to keep a lid on the

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01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:10,980
messaging that gets out the pen
is more mighty than the sward

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01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,370
you know and the spoken word I
think is even more powerful

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01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:17,370
because it can motivate people
in a certain way as we heard in

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01:36:17,370 --> 01:36:20,850
the first of the clips with that
said this is this goes back to

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01:36:20,850 --> 01:36:27,540
1943 I've saw multiple different
dates but early 40s This is the

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01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:32,280
Jubilee marry Jubilee and
there's nowhere in this possibly

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01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,560
could be the first Rap
Performance err ever

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01:36:35,610 --> 01:36:39,000
Unknown: and listen to me God
walked down to the band deceit

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01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,170
he declared that the man had
been hidden decided to destroy

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01:36:43,170 --> 01:36:48,660
the man that has to no no stop
no I won't be defeated me and I

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01:36:48,660 --> 01:36:55,500
won't do the three cubits long
do the big and strong divide so

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01:36:55,530 --> 01:36:57,420
it feels the win and

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01:36:59,070 --> 01:36:59,580
no

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no

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01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:28,020
no My God

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01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:39,510
on a whim and the foundation
will leave begin to build the

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01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:43,230
ring on the hammock that didn't
commit the human soul that sends

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01:37:43,230 --> 01:37:49,470
me faster 100 years bill in the
UK by the grace of God was done

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01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:52,950
God Boris was ready to say no no
let me tell you what to do.

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01:37:53,070 --> 01:37:58,770
Colin Adam was too bad to sway
pull him in a two by two ox with

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01:37:58,770 --> 01:38:03,150
the cane Ruth and Paul and your
faith to him and Sam then began

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01:38:03,150 --> 01:38:10,260
to build up the land he raised
his hands the month that he

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01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:15,810
traveled to see the wind to his
chariot he stepped on land and

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01:38:15,810 --> 01:38:17,910
declared that there wouldn't be
NO NO

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01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:19,950
NO

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01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:33,840
Adam Curry: Wow as you can kind
of you can kind of hear the

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01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,310
negro spiritual in their

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01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:40,050
Moe Factz: same time he could
hear the modern rep it sounds a

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01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:45,240
lot like the message the flow
and edit your

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01:38:45,539 --> 01:38:50,939
Adam Curry: you mean from
Grandmaster Flash to flash and

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01:38:50,939 --> 01:38:52,709
the Furious fun? Yeah, if you
listen

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01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:54,660
Moe Factz: to the flow, it's the
same flow.

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01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,290
Adam Curry: I'm gonna Yeah.

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01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:03,060
Moe Factz: And the weird part is
that is to say instruments and

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01:39:03,060 --> 01:39:07,020
to do from North Richmond. This
is a good time and invoices.

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01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:11,010
Yeah. Yeah, instruments, but
different different, all

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01:39:11,010 --> 01:39:15,540
different models. Now, you as
when you have something good

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01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:19,590
going, the devil always have to
creep in and this was captured.

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01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:23,730
In the Ray Charles movie, The
thief only comes in to steal and

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01:39:23,730 --> 01:39:28,620
kill Mo Yeah, and destroy. And
this is from the Ray Charles

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01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:34,470
movie, when he's playing gospel,
cold chords and remix in the

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01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:39,330
spirituals and in a secular way.
And this was a huge issue in

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01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:43,020
this time period. And we're
gonna get into a little letter

1441
01:39:43,230 --> 01:39:47,970
written very soon here. But the
struggle between the talent

1442
01:39:47,970 --> 01:39:54,180
being used for God's word and
monetarily gaining monetary gain

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01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:59,130
by the church or if secular
force could come in and draw the

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01:39:59,130 --> 01:40:03,780
talent away. But this is Ray
Charles in the club and it gets

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01:40:03,780 --> 01:40:05,250
crashed by some believers

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01:40:25,740 --> 01:40:27,990
Unknown: you just giving your
money to Satan that's what

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01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:28,560
you're doing.

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01:40:29,670 --> 01:40:30,750
You have a problem

1449
01:40:30,990 --> 01:40:31,650
yeah got

1450
01:40:31,650 --> 01:40:35,700
a problem this gospel you're
saying you're turning God's

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01:40:35,700 --> 01:40:38,070
music into six you're making
money off the law

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01:40:43,950 --> 01:40:44,520
he's right

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01:40:53,370 --> 01:40:58,680
you got a right to believe what
you really want to cancel the

1454
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:05,430
show. I just want to ask the
folks right now. All y'all want

1455
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:07,080
me to keep playing? Let me say
amen.

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01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:14,310
Without the trip data

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01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:27,210
Adam Curry: was this from a
movie? Or was this an actual

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01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:28,290
recording in the club?

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01:41:28,530 --> 01:41:33,000
Moe Factz: No, that was Jamie
Foxx. Oh, okay. Playing Ray

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01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,180
Charles in the movie, right. But
this is well documented, this

1461
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:39,720
struggle was well documented in
the Five Heartbeats. You have

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01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:46,470
family this own family members
because they strayed away from

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01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:47,100
the church.

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01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,560
Adam Curry: Yeah, that was a big
gospel music outside of the

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01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:50,130
church.

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01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,270
Moe Factz: Right. And there's
two reasons One, because of the

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01:41:54,330 --> 01:42:00,540
spiritual reason, but there was
also economic reasons for them

1468
01:42:00,540 --> 01:42:04,440
not wanting to go outside the
church because this was

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01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:10,980
highlighted in The Color Purple.
You had the church, and then you

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01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:15,840
had them building a jute joint.
You know, those were rivals,

1471
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:20,520
right for looking eyes, ears and
economic reasons. You know, the

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01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,520
every dollar that goes out into
the jute joint doesn't go to the

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01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,700
church, you know, and in the
church was a big source of

1474
01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:30,300
entertainment. You know, that's
why the juke joint and that's

1475
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,420
why him and his daughter, the
pastor in the church and his

1476
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:39,180
daughter, shoot, Avery, you
know, that was a big merging. At

1477
01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:44,190
the end of the movie wanted to
see me comics moments, is when

1478
01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:47,010
she starts saying God won't tell
you something, and she takes it

1479
01:42:47,010 --> 01:42:51,990
into the church. Now that could
be symbolic, because that was

1480
01:42:51,990 --> 01:42:57,480
the secular being allowed into
the church house, right now with

1481
01:42:57,480 --> 01:43:01,020
the instruments and drums and
whatever else because I was next

1482
01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:05,820
clip for nearly fuller. At that
time, there was big pushback for

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01:43:05,820 --> 01:43:09,780
the even the piano being in the
church today was seen as the

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01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:11,190
devil's bot, really,

1485
01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:17,100
Unknown: oh, man, back in the
days when I was much younger

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01:43:18,180 --> 01:43:22,470
than 12 years old. Sometimes
people would say that if you had

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01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:26,700
a piano and a church. That's the
type of sound that you did not

1488
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:32,640
want in a church, the official
real what you call country,

1489
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:39,930
Baptists, serious Jesus worship
in church, you do not have that

1490
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:45,540
devils instrument in that church
called a piano. Because that

1491
01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:52,680
same type of apparatus, that
same type of box was in what

1492
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:58,110
they call the mail houses, the
houses of ill repute, to houses

1493
01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:04,290
where you had prostitutes, and
people drinking, bootleg liquor,

1494
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:09,600
etc, etc. So you didn't want
that same type of box in a house

1495
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,530
of worship. There were elderly
people who said that I'm not

1496
01:44:13,530 --> 01:44:16,740
going to that church anymore.
They got that Devil's box in

1497
01:44:16,740 --> 01:44:24,930
there. say so. Is that a devil's
rock? Maybe? Maybe not. See,

1498
01:44:24,930 --> 01:44:27,330
these are questions that should
be answered.

1499
01:44:28,170 --> 01:44:32,100
Adam Curry: Wow, I didn't know
this. Devil's box. I like it.

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01:44:32,910 --> 01:44:35,460
Moe Factz: Now, I wasn't around
with that struggle, because I

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01:44:35,460 --> 01:44:41,130
always really be going to
church, the piano and Oregon

1502
01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:46,260
were staples in the church. But
I do remember pushed back

1503
01:44:46,260 --> 01:44:49,740
against the drumset because like
I said, I was raised in a

1504
01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:54,180
Baptist church in the South.
Black Southern Baptist Church.

1505
01:44:54,330 --> 01:44:59,520
drones were seeing Oh no, the
drums is one step too far. And I

1506
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:04,800
aver Remember, this is something
conversation I remember remember

1507
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:12,690
hearing being had was the the
keyboard right? That was a very

1508
01:45:12,690 --> 01:45:16,980
contentious situation because
it's like you're going away from

1509
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:20,130
the old gospel sound I'm just
the Oregon and the piano. And

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01:45:20,130 --> 01:45:25,350
that's what I'm saying about the
shift right? Before they

1511
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:28,560
wouldn't let the piano end and a
piano crap man and the Oregon

1512
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,490
crap man and the drums crap then
then the keyboard Casio keyboard

1513
01:45:35,490 --> 01:45:38,820
which had the built in drum
system in it and now your

1514
01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:40,920
services sound very secular

1515
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:44,070
Adam Curry: interesting.

1516
01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:48,150
Moe Factz: It was a huge push
bow remember this to this day?

1517
01:45:48,150 --> 01:45:53,910
It was no and some even churches
only sang him hymns. For you

1518
01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:57,360
know from the hymnal? Sure. It
wasn't no you know, singing

1519
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,870
whatever even quote unquote
gospel music on the radio, you

1520
01:46:00,870 --> 01:46:03,570
didn't bring that in the church
now you had quote, unquote, I

1521
01:46:03,570 --> 01:46:08,490
keep saying I got stopped at the
inspirational choir. That was

1522
01:46:08,490 --> 01:46:13,860
the younger choir. It oftentimes
is God traveled around between

1523
01:46:13,860 --> 01:46:18,060
churches because he had to
keyboard for him. He would do a

1524
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:21,390
set here and then next week, we
over it his next church next

1525
01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:25,620
church, and, and he would bring
the ringers in, you know, it was

1526
01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:28,440
one of the best shows that you
can have from the inspirational

1527
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:32,730
choir. But at the same time,
there was slippage on what was

1528
01:46:32,730 --> 01:46:33,870
allowing what not, that's

1529
01:46:33,870 --> 01:46:39,420
Adam Curry: interesting, because
when we when I first started

1530
01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:41,760
going to the church out here,
and you know, we have what we

1531
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:49,050
call corporate worship music. My
main problem, what took getting

1532
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:54,450
what took some getting used to
was there's no solos. It's like,

1533
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,080
where's the solo play and play
guitar for like, 20 you know,

1534
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,600
like, five bars or something
just without anyone's singing?

1535
01:47:01,050 --> 01:47:05,100
And it's very interesting how,
you know, that's, it's kind of

1536
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:08,610
like, no, no, we don't do solos
in church. Really interesting.

1537
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:12,539
Moe Factz: And it's funny that
you bring that up, because that

1538
01:47:12,539 --> 01:47:17,819
Hillsong type vibe. I think that
was the one that Bieber went to,

1539
01:47:17,999 --> 01:47:20,879
you know, that church that
Justin Bieber and all the stars

1540
01:47:20,879 --> 01:47:24,689
is going to Yeah, this real
would you call it corporate

1541
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:25,949
worship as a corporate?

1542
01:47:25,950 --> 01:47:29,070
Adam Curry: Yeah. And that, by
the way, is is not meant as a

1543
01:47:29,070 --> 01:47:32,430
slam. That's what it's called,
is called Corporate in the in

1544
01:47:32,430 --> 01:47:36,840
the form of the corporate and
people getting together. But

1545
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,420
it's double entendre. As far as
I'm concerned.

1546
01:47:39,539 --> 01:47:41,669
Moe Factz: It's like it was
because you had me going the

1547
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:46,289
other way. Like, it's like the
can worship music, no shade.

1548
01:47:46,619 --> 01:47:48,899
Adam Curry: No, but that's how I
interpreted it until I figured

1549
01:47:48,899 --> 01:47:51,869
out Oh, no, this series about
saying corporate it's, it has a

1550
01:47:51,869 --> 01:47:54,749
different meaning and like,
okay, double entendre

1551
01:47:54,750 --> 01:47:56,850
Moe Factz: it sounds like it
sounds like the music that you

1552
01:47:56,850 --> 01:48:01,920
premiere iPhone to right? Yeah,
like the real certain chords,

1553
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:07,230
whatever. But yeah, so that was
the push back. But now we got to

1554
01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:11,790
get into who made the crossover
from gospel to secular? That is

1555
01:48:11,790 --> 01:48:18,750
one Mr. Sam Cooke. This is the
OG of OGS in many ways you

1556
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:25,170
Adam Curry: sent me Cupid
wonderful world. I know them

1557
01:48:25,170 --> 01:48:27,480
all. I Sam Cook, man. I know
them all.

1558
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,410
Moe Factz: And I'm gonna give
you a quick facts family story.

1559
01:48:32,010 --> 01:48:36,660
Every time Sam Cook will come up
around my grandma facts. Yeah.

1560
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:41,040
Grandpa fans would cut his eyes
at her. Cuz you know, that was

1561
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:46,680
their Usher there Chris Brown.
Really? Oh, yeah. Him and Nat

1562
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:52,800
King Cole. Yeah. Cooking Nat
King Cole came what was a

1563
01:48:52,890 --> 01:48:54,660
Adam Curry: good, good looking
man.

1564
01:48:55,380 --> 01:48:58,770
Moe Factz: Very handsome. 26
stand open

1565
01:48:58,770 --> 01:49:01,020
Unknown: the door for more
singers than you'd ever dream

1566
01:49:01,020 --> 01:49:06,330
of. Because it was an approach
to music that we didn't ever

1567
01:49:06,330 --> 01:49:10,170
think the public would accept
from blacks. Anyhow, he

1568
01:49:10,170 --> 01:49:12,360
influenced most of us most of
us.

1569
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:19,230
This is the story of how gospel
became and why it took a natural

1570
01:49:19,230 --> 01:49:21,990
rule breaker like Sam Cooke to
make it all happen.

1571
01:49:29,010 --> 01:49:32,250
The singer was an iconic figure
for a new generation of African

1572
01:49:32,250 --> 01:49:37,260
Americans. Sam Cooke was a guy
who didn't take a crap from

1573
01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:40,440
people and was someone who
really seemed like he wanted to

1574
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,620
control his own destiny as an
artist. That became a really big

1575
01:49:43,620 --> 01:49:47,910
issue. Starting in the 1960s,
about black people controlling

1576
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:50,970
their own art. Then Sam Cooke
was one of these people, one of

1577
01:49:50,970 --> 01:49:54,480
the first people who really
began to show the kind of

1578
01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:58,560
intelligence and guts to do
that. Sam Cooke had a lifestyle

1579
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,690
that was beyond the dreams of
the most Black Americans. He was

1580
01:50:03,690 --> 01:50:06,960
a major star, a successful
businessman, and lived in a

1581
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:12,810
house in the Hollywood Hills. It
was everything he had dreamed of

1582
01:50:12,810 --> 01:50:15,420
as a small boy growing up in
Chicago, Southside

1583
01:50:16,949 --> 01:50:21,299
how seven years old Sam was mad.
And we talked to him one day, he

1584
01:50:21,299 --> 01:50:24,209
had 12 sticks, and he was
sticking sticks in the ground.

1585
01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:27,899
So one day he was stealing the
stats, man, why you always

1586
01:50:27,899 --> 01:50:31,469
sticking him sticks in the
ground? Like, he's Elsie? He

1587
01:50:31,469 --> 01:50:35,669
said, preparing myself. These
sticks. I'm pretending this is

1588
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:37,709
my audience. It's like paid
people,

1589
01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:41,730
these insanely sticks. So when I
get to an audience, I won't be

1590
01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:46,650
scared to saying Is it because
I'm never going to work in life?

1591
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:49,950
What do you mean, you never know
what some of you're saying?

1592
01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:55,260
Adam Curry: What is this from
this?

1593
01:50:55,860 --> 01:50:59,040
Moe Factz: This is the soul
deep, the story of black popular

1594
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:05,040
music. And this is episode two
of a multi part series.

1595
01:51:05,070 --> 01:51:07,800
Adam Curry: The number of six is
not lost on me number 12.

1596
01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:13,710
Moe Factz: Right. That part is
well. And no this is one time

1597
01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:19,590
out there no anointing. People
know when they are given a gift.

1598
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:28,170
And it Sam Cook it was one of
the specials. And you're going

1599
01:51:28,170 --> 01:51:32,670
to hear in the next clip how
special he was. Because he broke

1600
01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:37,350
the mold on not only crossing
over but the style stylistically

1601
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:37,830
as well.

1602
01:51:38,970 --> 01:51:41,940
Unknown: joining a group like
this so service meant a life of

1603
01:51:41,940 --> 01:51:46,590
Torah not following a circuit is
the gospel highways. Various has

1604
01:51:46,590 --> 01:51:50,580
now faded into memory. In the
1950s. The Gospel high res was

1605
01:51:50,580 --> 01:51:54,510
exciting place to be as any in
America was chosen by quartet

1606
01:51:54,510 --> 01:51:58,050
groups, and numerous gospel
leavers and traveling preachers.

1607
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:08,700
And traveling along the gospel
highway, stopping the little

1608
01:52:08,700 --> 01:52:13,680
cities and little towns, and
sometimes having church in the

1609
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,520
field. Sometimes having church
in the church or sometimes just

1610
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:22,800
having church in a tent. With so
does cheers, people bring in

1611
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,710
fans and food and all kinds of
things.

1612
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:38,730
For all its religious trappings,
the Gospel highway was a form of

1613
01:52:38,730 --> 01:52:42,240
show business. And the artists
touring schedules were carefully

1614
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:47,100
mapped out to maximize their
possible earnings. It meant that

1615
01:52:47,550 --> 01:52:52,500
you wanted to hit North Carolina
in a tobacco states right after

1616
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:55,410
the tobacco harvest was in
because then your audience had

1617
01:52:55,410 --> 01:52:59,220
some money in their pocket. And
you could turn out a church and

1618
01:52:59,220 --> 01:53:02,340
it'd be donations and the
Minister wanted you there. You

1619
01:53:02,340 --> 01:53:06,150
wanted to get down south in the
winter, you know, farther south

1620
01:53:06,150 --> 01:53:10,380
Florida and so on, when people
would go down there because of

1621
01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:12,390
the weather and there'd be
people down there with money.

1622
01:53:12,630 --> 01:53:16,170
And that was all part of the
gospel highway it was mapped out

1623
01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:19,140
to the degree where any given
year you could almost tell where

1624
01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:22,050
a group was gonna be because
that month was when there was

1625
01:53:22,050 --> 01:53:24,360
money in Memphis or wherever it
was.

1626
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:28,890
Adam Curry: Yeah, he was a
businessman as well.

1627
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:33,060
Moe Factz: And it was
infrastructure laid out well

1628
01:53:33,060 --> 01:53:37,950
before he even showed up. That
you're going to be here like

1629
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:41,790
say, North Carolina you'll be
you will be in Durham, North

1630
01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:46,260
Carolina and doing the right
tobacco harvest or whatever, you

1631
01:53:46,260 --> 01:53:50,280
know, the agricultural flow was
and I remember these tent

1632
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,600
revivals I went to a few of them
you know, that showed up every

1633
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,810
year when I was younger, you
know with my grandmother that it

1634
01:53:57,810 --> 01:54:01,500
would be a tent you know, it'd
be hot as a fish grease you know

1635
01:54:01,530 --> 01:54:03,030
what you will be in his tent

1636
01:54:04,380 --> 01:54:05,130
Unknown: but

1637
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:14,040
Moe Factz: I want to stress the
fact the importance of these

1638
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:18,690
things to keep people moving
move him and motivated a lot of

1639
01:54:18,690 --> 01:54:23,490
times and intellectual outlook
we've seen like all that you

1640
01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:25,890
know, how are you going down
into give your money to the

1641
01:54:25,890 --> 01:54:31,500
pastor but it's churches like
their OG value for value

1642
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:37,500
whatever you got out of it Oh
no.

1643
01:54:38,340 --> 01:54:40,470
Adam Curry: pass our pastor
always says value for value.

1644
01:54:40,470 --> 01:54:42,900
That's a God thing. Man. That's
a God thing. That's what he

1645
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:43,650
always says.

1646
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:48,960
Moe Factz: Cuz what you got out
of it. You put back into it. So

1647
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,500
now there is gouging. I'm not
going to be naive and say

1648
01:54:52,500 --> 01:54:57,240
there's not gouging but for all
ladies. This is their chance to

1649
01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:02,100
dress up. Put their nice hat on
Um, you know, even though

1650
01:55:02,100 --> 01:55:05,250
they've been on their knees
scrubbing all week, this is

1651
01:55:05,250 --> 01:55:14,250
their chance to go and see it
and be queens, like, why are

1652
01:55:14,250 --> 01:55:16,860
they shot shot? The Queen crown,
right? I thought, hey, you know,

1653
01:55:16,860 --> 01:55:22,620
that kind of thing? Ya know? So
is that was their social club.

1654
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:25,980
And these were their social
event. And there was a whole

1655
01:55:25,980 --> 01:55:32,190
system that showed up before.
Sam Cooke even showed up. But he

1656
01:55:32,730 --> 01:55:37,260
had a certain talent that
crossed over which jeopardize

1657
01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:44,190
the whole no system. Allah.
Jackie Robinson, the Negro

1658
01:55:44,190 --> 01:55:50,280
League. The same way Yeah. When
was that guy aiming start

1659
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:53,430
picking up the talent collapses
because you don't have the

1660
01:55:53,430 --> 01:56:01,350
talent. Now let's hear about
this super, super talented

1661
01:56:01,350 --> 01:56:03,810
person called Sam Cook.

1662
01:56:05,670 --> 01:56:10,170
Unknown: What set him apart, he
had a smooth voice had a smooth

1663
01:56:10,230 --> 01:56:17,580
deliverance. And in those days,
most gospel singers have Kroff

1664
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:20,700
voice they were able to get
throaty, they will get

1665
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:32,280
but Sam was always, you know,
there was a woman, and the Bible

1666
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:37,260
days, he was so smooth with it.
And he was like an exception,

1667
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:41,070
you would think you were at a
nightclub because he was good. I

1668
01:56:41,070 --> 01:56:48,150
mean, the guy was he was pretty,
we loved it. Everybody had a

1669
01:56:48,150 --> 01:56:53,070
crush on Sam. In the Gospel
world, they were all in the

1670
01:56:53,070 --> 01:56:57,570
front of the auditorium
screaming their hands up and,

1671
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:01,440
and trying to touch his speed
and trying to touch his clothes

1672
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:04,920
and, and I mean, he had strings
of women, we walk offstage,

1673
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,650
they'd all run to the back of
the stage trying to get his

1674
01:57:07,650 --> 01:57:10,680
autograph trying to get a hug
trying to get a kiss whatever

1675
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,060
they could get just to be here.

1676
01:57:13,740 --> 01:57:16,800
Adam Curry: I'm so glad you're
doing this. This is Sam Cooke

1677
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:23,670
has not talked about anymore his
his his role in for so so many

1678
01:57:23,670 --> 01:57:28,170
different reasons out of him
came Rolling Stones I mean, also

1679
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:30,930
also listened to Sam Cooke I
mean so much the British

1680
01:57:30,930 --> 01:57:34,260
Invasion a lot the Beatles a lot
of people listened to Sam Cooke.

1681
01:57:34,260 --> 01:57:35,640
He was very influential.

1682
01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:40,200
Moe Factz: He changed the
paradigm to where he was so

1683
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:44,670
smooth. It was able to cross
over Yeah, we're like she was

1684
01:57:44,670 --> 01:57:47,970
saying with the hollering with
the hoop and you know that

1685
01:57:48,180 --> 01:57:51,600
translate into gospel music.
This opened it up for a

1686
01:57:51,600 --> 01:58:00,780
different crowd. And a parallel
draw draw is we rock him by rat

1687
01:58:00,780 --> 01:58:05,910
was very hard core, you know,
power, you know, like kinda do

1688
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:11,160
to do and rock him came and
said, No, I'll be smooth with

1689
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:17,580
it. And it changed the whole
flow of how people read. I mean,

1690
01:58:17,580 --> 01:58:20,430
that's why they call it a God
and seek is quiche changed the

1691
01:58:20,430 --> 01:58:24,090
whole way to thing was done
where it went from the Run DMC

1692
01:58:24,090 --> 01:58:29,040
kind of powerful bar, even with
Chuck D. To this what Sam Cooke

1693
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:34,410
did this move, rod to be kind
of, you know, in a way, we're

1694
01:58:34,410 --> 01:58:37,830
also saying losing the power
behind it.

1695
01:58:38,340 --> 01:58:42,000
Adam Curry: I don't I don't know
much about Ron Kim Rakeem I'm

1696
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,030
sorry, Arabic Arabiya. RockYou.
Well, yeah, that's exactly.

1697
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:47,850
That's all I know. Eric being
Rakim, that's it. What?

1698
01:58:48,150 --> 01:58:49,890
Moe Factz: What? You know why?
The same reason you will hear

1699
01:58:49,890 --> 01:58:54,330
about Sam Cooke. The real
pioneers. They bury. Yeah, and

1700
01:58:54,330 --> 01:58:57,150
they made me and they put in
there what people call it a day

1701
01:58:57,150 --> 01:59:03,360
the industry plants. These words
we take out the originators and

1702
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,740
we put in our plants or people
that we could control. Right,

1703
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:13,530
this is why I laid this show out
the way I did is they can't

1704
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:17,610
really harness the power. It's
kind of like electricity. They

1705
01:59:17,610 --> 01:59:24,330
just have the light and lines in
in spirit where they can. Yeah,

1706
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:25,920
it's uncontrollable.

1707
01:59:28,350 --> 01:59:34,380
Adam Curry: You're upsetting me
now. Well, I'm the guy who can

1708
01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:36,930
ultimately controlled Sam Cooke
is Alan Klein.

1709
01:59:37,829 --> 01:59:41,819
Moe Factz: We're gonna get there
okay. We're gonna get there.

1710
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:46,530
Adam Curry: No, I actually met
him. I know the guy. He's gone

1711
01:59:46,530 --> 01:59:47,070
now. But

1712
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:50,280
Moe Factz: this is the reason
another reason I was excited

1713
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:54,420
about this show because from
your perspective, you can fill

1714
01:59:54,420 --> 01:59:58,650
in certain gaps you know of how
there's a lot going on. Well,

1715
01:59:58,650 --> 02:00:02,490
cool. J this is you know, Oh,
Alan clown or whatever, I was

1716
02:00:02,490 --> 02:00:05,910
pretty sure you knew some of
these people and I was excited

1717
02:00:05,910 --> 02:00:09,240
to hear your engagement with
them. Sure, even more so on the

1718
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:12,720
next show is going to be very
riveting. Okay, but let's get

1719
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:14,760
back to this show. Do we stop at
2.6?

1720
02:00:15,690 --> 02:00:18,480
Adam Curry: We're Yeah, two
sixes what's next? Alright,

1721
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:19,740
let's go know how

1722
02:00:21,090 --> 02:00:25,530
Unknown: to sing gospel music.
You're a saint for the lifted.

1723
02:00:26,430 --> 02:00:30,450
You know, you could drink booze,
you could run women, you can

1724
02:00:30,450 --> 02:00:33,750
chase, you could do all
everything you wanted to do. But

1725
02:00:33,750 --> 02:00:38,970
you you were okay, as long as
you stuck to the gospel. It is

1726
02:00:38,970 --> 02:00:42,720
so crazy. Now that I look at it.
The lifestyle didn't go with the

1727
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:47,730
song. I remember him telling me
one afternoon, we got to the

1728
02:00:47,730 --> 02:00:52,320
auditorium quite early. And we
sat there on the steps of

1729
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:57,120
auditorium. And he confided in
me that he was getting ready to

1730
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:02,040
cross over to secular music. And
I was saying to myself, God,

1731
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:05,850
he's gonna cross over to secular
music. What if he doesn't make

1732
02:01:05,850 --> 02:01:09,180
it, they're not going to let him
come back in. So I'm like

1733
02:01:09,180 --> 02:01:11,010
saying, You gotta know what
you're doing.

1734
02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:15,330
Crossing over was considered an
act of betrayal by many in the

1735
02:01:15,330 --> 02:01:19,380
Gospel community. Wow. If he
didn't want to alienate his

1736
02:01:19,380 --> 02:01:22,680
gospel fan base, Sam would need
to tread very carefully.

1737
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:27,270
Adam Curry: So crossing over, of
course, has religious

1738
02:01:27,330 --> 02:01:29,610
connotations. I hadn't thought
about your crossing over, you're

1739
02:01:29,610 --> 02:01:31,770
crossing over to the dark side.

1740
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:36,330
Moe Factz: It was two
crossovers. So to the farthest

1741
02:01:36,330 --> 02:01:42,210
thing that they like this, the
far right was stained black, and

1742
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:50,070
gospel, right. Now, Sam was
gonna go over to the instead of

1743
02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:52,950
touring churches to in juke
joints, where they call it a

1744
02:01:52,950 --> 02:01:57,540
quote, unquote, did it again,
the Chitlin Circuit, you know,

1745
02:01:57,540 --> 02:02:00,900
who got me doing that? No,
nearly Fuller, nearly fuller is

1746
02:02:00,900 --> 02:02:09,090
to blame. All right. Yeah, cuz
he does, it is. Highlight of

1747
02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:12,420
point that you you're aware that
your words can be taken another

1748
02:02:12,420 --> 02:02:15,630
way, but the Chitlin Circuit,
that was the two paths, you

1749
02:02:15,630 --> 02:02:19,170
could go on the gospel circuit,
or you could go on the Chitlin

1750
02:02:19,170 --> 02:02:25,740
Circuit. But if you had the
talent that Sam Cooke head, you

1751
02:02:25,740 --> 02:02:28,080
could cross over to actual

1752
02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:31,530
Adam Curry: white ears explain
chitlin

1753
02:02:32,670 --> 02:02:35,970
Moe Factz: Chitlin Circuit that
was basically the the juke

1754
02:02:35,970 --> 02:02:36,480
joints.

1755
02:02:37,980 --> 02:02:39,150
Adam Curry: actual word chitlin.

1756
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:45,330
Moe Factz: Oh, that's pig
intestines, that we're returning

1757
02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:51,270
to a southern delicacy. Which
another thing? It's amazing. How

1758
02:02:51,270 --> 02:02:55,710
when certain group of people do
things, as odd as country that's

1759
02:02:55,710 --> 02:02:57,390
back or whatever, that's pig

1760
02:02:57,390 --> 02:02:58,950
Adam Curry: intestines. Right?

1761
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,730
Moe Factz: But then you eat
tripe. And delicacy is like, Oh,

1762
02:03:02,730 --> 02:03:07,080
now now is different. You know?
Perception is hey, oh, man, it's

1763
02:03:07,530 --> 02:03:11,160
so new. But no, that was the
that was the crossover. And he

1764
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:15,630
was going from the far right. To
the far left. Now, what

1765
02:03:15,630 --> 02:03:19,320
Adam Curry: was seen as a bigger
betrayal, crossing over out of

1766
02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:23,730
the church or crossing over to
white audiences? Or was was that

1767
02:03:23,730 --> 02:03:25,020
seen as a betrayal as well?

1768
02:03:25,290 --> 02:03:28,650
Moe Factz: If equal is equal?
Okay? Because the church people

1769
02:03:28,650 --> 02:03:32,790
were like, Oh, you're leaving us
to go sing the devil music. And

1770
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:36,270
the black secular fans like, Oh,
you're leaving us to go sang for

1771
02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:36,870
white people.

1772
02:03:38,370 --> 02:03:41,160
Adam Curry: And it's a shame
that that's always been seen as

1773
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:48,600
a bad thing. Because it actually
it's it hampers the human

1774
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:49,890
experience.

1775
02:03:51,990 --> 02:03:57,090
Moe Factz: Well, is that here's
the thing, though. Because if

1776
02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:02,160
like, say Pat podcasted for
instance, right? Say you built

1777
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:06,930
no agenda up to what it is. And
then somebody comes along a

1778
02:04:07,020 --> 02:04:09,930
curry will cut you a check for
so and so. So and so for

1779
02:04:09,930 --> 02:04:11,880
complete creative control.

1780
02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:18,000
Adam Curry: Okay, okay. But
that's different from I mean,

1781
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:23,100
just think about that for a
second. So was playing for white

1782
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:27,630
audiences? Was that inherently
equal to giving up his creative

1783
02:04:27,630 --> 02:04:28,290
control?

1784
02:04:29,550 --> 02:04:32,640
Moe Factz: Yes, it still is
today. Because when you sign a

1785
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:35,850
record deal, they pick the
records that go now album, you

1786
02:04:35,850 --> 02:04:38,820
can make all the you can make
1000 records. You know, you

1787
02:04:38,820 --> 02:04:40,470
don't There are that they won't.

1788
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:42,600
Adam Curry: There are black
owned labels. I just want to

1789
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:46,470
point out that, you know, record
labels by themselves have

1790
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:49,500
inherent evilness to them, no
matter one color owns them.

1791
02:04:50,580 --> 02:04:53,370
Moe Factz: No, what I'm saying
is this, that you're giving up

1792
02:04:53,370 --> 02:04:56,220
the creative control because
some group of people are going

1793
02:04:56,220 --> 02:04:59,640
to pick your sound, okay? All
right. Okay. That's just like

1794
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:02,040
they're saying car, you can't
play that clip. You know, it's

1795
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:06,240
like you come in with 100 clips,
and they get to pick the 25

1796
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:09,540
that's gonna go on the show for
me, are you right? It's like we

1797
02:05:09,540 --> 02:05:13,440
did the work with your you go
back to the word curating again,

1798
02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:17,910
you're curating what you think
is gonna be most palatable to

1799
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:23,490
the wider audience. Right? Which
that was that you know, what's

1800
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:29,310
the word would they call it?
Water now you know that's that's

1801
02:05:29,340 --> 02:05:31,950
you know you go on commercial
because you're looking at

1802
02:05:31,950 --> 02:05:37,530
hitting the numbers not keeping
true to the to the Brian got you

1803
02:05:37,530 --> 02:05:37,950
where you're at

1804
02:05:37,980 --> 02:05:41,460
Adam Curry: right and that and
that is necessary and true in a

1805
02:05:41,460 --> 02:05:47,220
limited system where a small or
a group owns the distribution

1806
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:49,590
it's really about distribution.

1807
02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:54,480
Moe Factz: The oh that's where
that in the shows. Yeah, cuz

1808
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:57,540
Adam Curry: just it's also
distribution to shows or

1809
02:05:57,540 --> 02:05:59,100
distributions all distribution.

1810
02:05:59,700 --> 02:06:01,710
Moe Factz: That's why Live
Nation is so huge because they

1811
02:06:01,710 --> 02:06:06,090
own the venue's Yeah, you own
the rights to the venue's you

1812
02:06:06,090 --> 02:06:11,910
get to pick who's on the stage.
And Sam was a problem so you get

1813
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:21,990
2.1 1964

1814
02:06:23,820 --> 02:06:26,940
Unknown: One of America's
biggest pop idols, objecting to

1815
02:06:26,940 --> 02:06:35,970
achieve Los Angeles motel
rundown part of an issue never

1816
02:06:42,750 --> 02:06:46,890
in his brief life, some programs
to change popular music forever

1817
02:06:47,820 --> 02:06:55,140
set the standard for every
single day to follow. First, I

1818
02:06:55,140 --> 02:07:01,200
loaded. Last

1819
02:07:03,420 --> 02:07:06,930
one of gospel music's greatest
stars, I'm combining the

1820
02:07:06,930 --> 02:07:10,740
transformation of black church
music into mainstream pop, and

1821
02:07:10,740 --> 02:07:11,520
fear you

1822
02:07:14,250 --> 02:07:18,870
couldn't have the popular music
that we have today. Without that

1823
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:21,570
crossover from the church to pop
music having one of the

1824
02:07:21,570 --> 02:07:25,680
foundations of pop music as we
know it is classical music in

1825
02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:30,900
America was shot. This child of
the church was brutally killed

1826
02:07:30,900 --> 02:07:36,540
after an argument at the motel.
For by the time of his death, he

1827
02:07:36,540 --> 02:07:39,780
had inspired a generation of
singers to turn the church music

1828
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:43,770
that had grown up into the
soundtrack more than America.

1829
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:54,480
Adam Curry: Yeah, he was killed
by a black woman, I think who

1830
02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:55,470
owned the motel.

1831
02:07:57,090 --> 02:07:57,870
Moe Factz: Allegedly.

1832
02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:02,610
Adam Curry: There is of course a
case to be made that all the

1833
02:08:02,610 --> 02:08:07,800
singers who have real influence
eventually are eliminated one

1834
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:12,030
way or the other, either by
nature or by God or by evil.

1835
02:08:13,530 --> 02:08:15,240
Tupac, you could go

1836
02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:19,020
Moe Factz: my memory serves me
correct, that he was killed in

1837
02:08:19,020 --> 02:08:27,750
December of 64. Malcolm was cute
in February of 65. Okay, and

1838
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:30,390
there's some connection between
the two as we're gonna see here,

1839
02:08:30,390 --> 02:08:34,620
but let's get more into the
unsolved death of Sam Cooke.

1840
02:08:34,890 --> 02:08:37,980
Unknown: Later in the year, Sam
heard Bob Dylan song blowing in

1841
02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:41,400
the wind and was moved by its
lyrics. He felt that if a white

1842
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,460
songwriter could write such a
moving song about race, perhaps

1843
02:08:44,460 --> 02:08:47,580
he should write one to the final
spur came from Martin Luther

1844
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:50,790
King's I Have a Dream speech,
Sam claimed that a change is

1845
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:54,060
going to come came to him in a
dream as a whole complete song.

1846
02:08:54,120 --> 02:08:57,750
Sam had long been a supporter of
the civil rights movement and a

1847
02:08:57,750 --> 02:09:00,960
change is gonna come was adopted
by the movement as one of their

1848
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:04,530
anthems. A single of the song
did not appear until two weeks

1849
02:09:04,530 --> 02:09:08,460
after Sam's death. The song was
amended and re recorded before

1850
02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:12,030
release as a single devoted a
great deal of time and effort

1851
02:09:12,030 --> 02:09:14,700
writing the song and it's
considered to be his most

1852
02:09:14,730 --> 02:09:17,820
influential composition. It's
consistently appeared in

1853
02:09:17,820 --> 02:09:21,030
Greatest Songs lists and as
found a place in the Library of

1854
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:23,940
Congress's National Recording
Registry. He was known to be

1855
02:09:23,940 --> 02:09:26,700
sympathetic to the aims of the
civil rights movement and

1856
02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:30,270
expressed his views in song and
through interviews taken at face

1857
02:09:30,270 --> 02:09:33,450
value. His death seems
straightforward. He was shot by

1858
02:09:33,450 --> 02:09:36,780
the night manager of a motel who
feared he was going to attack

1859
02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:40,110
her. She claimed she acted in
self defense, the authorities

1860
02:09:40,110 --> 02:09:42,960
accepted her explanation and
declared the death to be

1861
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:46,470
justifiable homicide. Many
others including his friends,

1862
02:09:46,500 --> 02:09:49,800
family, and various witnesses
disagreed and the events

1863
02:09:49,830 --> 02:09:52,920
surrounding Sam's death have
been debated ever since.

1864
02:09:53,700 --> 02:09:59,160
Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. Well,
the timing is, is indeed curious

1865
02:09:59,190 --> 02:10:03,090
and especially With the song
coming out in a remixed version

1866
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:05,040
after he after he died

1867
02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:09,810
Moe Factz: yeah maybe some
minute changes tweaking some

1868
02:10:09,810 --> 02:10:14,940
tweaking and this is the point I
was trying to make. Excuse me

1869
02:10:14,940 --> 02:10:16,050
about creative control

1870
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:16,590
Adam Curry: yeah

1871
02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:22,140
Moe Factz: we don't think those
couple of lines right will

1872
02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:25,380
register you know with the
demographics can you go back and

1873
02:10:25,710 --> 02:10:31,260
re record that now? Let me make
it clear. There is a sweet spot

1874
02:10:32,430 --> 02:10:40,230
to where these frequencies meet.
Case in point some of the best

1875
02:10:40,260 --> 02:10:47,520
Isley Brothers songs are covered
a white artist really noticed

1876
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:52,830
all I see if I seen rain Yes,
that's James Taylor. Yes. Go

1877
02:10:52,830 --> 02:10:55,680
listen to the Ozzy brothers
version

1878
02:10:55,710 --> 02:11:01,440
Adam Curry: but so is summer
dreams make me feel

1879
02:11:01,650 --> 02:11:04,320
Moe Factz: that's another Lika
which I don't know which who

1880
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:07,830
covered who I'm not sure the
timeline on that. But a lot of

1881
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:12,120
their greatest songs are covered
but yet and still is so

1882
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:16,650
different. That is almost its
own song. Like you could take

1883
02:11:16,650 --> 02:11:21,600
somebody to cover North
Richmond. Yeah. Remix a certain

1884
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:28,080
way that it would be you know,
on the parallel with them with

1885
02:11:28,290 --> 02:11:32,940
Sam Cooke song which was one of
the last negro spirituals there

1886
02:11:32,940 --> 02:11:38,220
is an interesting change is
gonna come Yeah, that that right

1887
02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:46,740
there is is quintessential negro
spiritual. The way it moves you

1888
02:11:46,740 --> 02:11:50,370
that way I don't care who you
are. When new first sets in a

1889
02:11:50,370 --> 02:11:56,790
corner store plus start playing
invokes emotion and less use you

1890
02:11:56,790 --> 02:12:02,700
just came for you. I'm sorry.
Um, but it was still tailored.

1891
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:07,650
By my Sam. I can't take that
line. Now. Take this line out.

1892
02:12:07,650 --> 02:12:11,460
Can't say this. Can't say that.
And it still goes on to today.

1893
02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:13,920
Some because you can say that go
summer breeze

1894
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:17,460
Adam Curry: was seals and
Crofts. See? Yeah, you're right.

1895
02:12:18,030 --> 02:12:18,540
Wow.

1896
02:12:19,050 --> 02:12:21,900
Moe Factz: Some of their best
souls recovers. And that's what

1897
02:12:21,900 --> 02:12:25,260
blew me because I don't like and
they sing the Isley Brothers.

1898
02:12:25,260 --> 02:12:27,810
But when you go back and listen,
you know, it's like no, they're

1899
02:12:27,810 --> 02:12:29,370
actually doing covers other
people.

1900
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:31,800
Adam Curry: That's so
interesting because Elvis was

1901
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:34,740
accused of being the white guy
sitting in the black songs.

1902
02:12:35,370 --> 02:12:39,900
Moe Factz: Yes. And a black man
taught him how to dance. With

1903
02:12:39,900 --> 02:12:40,470
Forrest Gump.

1904
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:42,540
Adam Curry: Right, which is by
definition,

1905
02:12:42,750 --> 02:12:45,390
Moe Factz: especially right past
him. It's an actual crossover.

1906
02:12:46,170 --> 02:12:51,060
That's that right past you. I'm
sorry. I see a forest go a black

1907
02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:55,950
man taught him how to dance.
Yeah. I got it. That's what the

1908
02:12:55,950 --> 02:13:01,080
movie was about. Just Just as a
quick facts moment, Forrest

1909
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:07,050
Gump, it was about him being
biracial. Right. Yeah, you do

1910
02:13:07,050 --> 02:13:11,700
realize that yes, I know that.
When you look at the lens

1911
02:13:11,730 --> 02:13:16,200
through that movie, just to
speak on how powerful art is. It

1912
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:19,080
wasn't his intelligent level
while he was treated differently

1913
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:26,910
Adam Curry: right. Yes, yeah,
gotcha. I gotcha.

1914
02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:29,370
Moe Factz: And that was allude
to like him teaching Elvis how

1915
02:13:29,370 --> 02:13:36,240
to dance. Elvis is dancing and
all that Baba buddy seats taking

1916
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:39,870
and all that all that is
illusion to who the real Mr.

1917
02:13:39,870 --> 02:13:43,410
goat was. But you know, I'm so
good.

1918
02:13:43,410 --> 02:13:45,690
Adam Curry: So good. So good.
Yeah, so good.

1919
02:13:46,650 --> 02:13:48,780
Moe Factz: I digress. But let's
go and get into part

1920
02:13:48,780 --> 02:13:52,800
Unknown: two. On December
11 1964, Sam Cooke booked a room

1921
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,670
in the Hacienda motel in LA with
a girl named Elisa Boyer. She

1922
02:13:56,670 --> 02:13:59,970
had been booked in as Mrs. Cook
but in fact, she and Sam had

1923
02:13:59,970 --> 02:14:02,820
eaten at a restaurant in town
and then came to the Hacienda

1924
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:05,850
together, Sam's infidelities
were well known, and he had

1925
02:14:05,850 --> 02:14:09,000
fathered at least three children
legitimately. In a room at the

1926
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,780
motel. Elisa Boyer claimed Sam
tore off her clothing and she

1927
02:14:12,780 --> 02:14:15,420
feared he was going to rape her.
When he went to the bathroom.

1928
02:14:15,450 --> 02:14:18,720
She grabbed her clothes and flat
in grabbing her clothes. She

1929
02:14:18,720 --> 02:14:21,630
also scooped up most of Sam's
clothes. When he came out of the

1930
02:14:21,630 --> 02:14:24,960
bathroom, he realized what
happened and gave chase. Elisa

1931
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,900
meantime had tried to raise the
night manager and hide in her

1932
02:14:27,900 --> 02:14:30,810
office. The Night Manager was
too slow and coming to the

1933
02:14:30,810 --> 02:14:34,170
office door and Elisa fled to
the street. Sam reached the

1934
02:14:34,170 --> 02:14:37,590
office and thinking Elisa was in
there demanded entry he was

1935
02:14:37,590 --> 02:14:41,100
dressed only in a jacket and
with one shoe. The Night Manager

1936
02:14:41,100 --> 02:14:43,950
was a woman named Bertha
Franklin and seeing that Sam was

1937
02:14:43,950 --> 02:14:47,280
angry and aggressive, grabbed a
gun and shot him in the chest

1938
02:14:47,310 --> 02:14:50,190
Sam lunge towards her and she
hit him several times with a

1939
02:14:50,190 --> 02:14:53,190
broom handle. The gunshot had
been fatal though and Sam

1940
02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:55,950
collapsed and died on the floor
of the office. That's the

1941
02:14:55,950 --> 02:14:58,560
official story and the one
recorded by police

1942
02:14:58,620 --> 02:15:03,690
Adam Curry: go okay, this is the
Only story I know. There must be

1943
02:15:03,690 --> 02:15:07,440
a second story in the next clip
I'm thinking, But wait there's

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02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,750
more. For there are

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02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:12,270
Unknown: however, a number of
inconsistencies we have to

1946
02:15:12,270 --> 02:15:15,330
highlight. Firstly, restaurant
staff and customers were the

1947
02:15:15,330 --> 02:15:18,510
pair had eaten claimed Sam had a
large quantity of money with

1948
02:15:18,510 --> 02:15:21,870
him. Ostensibly this was to buy
Christmas gifts. That money was

1949
02:15:21,870 --> 02:15:25,410
never recovered. Bertha Franklin
had at one time been an operator

1950
02:15:25,410 --> 02:15:28,590
of a brothel. And rumors
persisted after the killing that

1951
02:15:28,590 --> 02:15:31,680
she and Boyer who had worked as
a prostitute were running a

1952
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,680
scam. Boyer would find victims
and offer to sleep with them,

1953
02:15:34,710 --> 02:15:37,410
but the two women would
pickpocket them and then cry

1954
02:15:37,410 --> 02:15:41,070
rape. Franklin had shot a motel
guest in similar circumstances

1955
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:44,490
just six months earlier, those
who viewed Sam's body when it

1956
02:15:44,490 --> 02:15:47,430
had been laid out in his coffin
were alarmed at the beating he

1957
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:50,610
must have taken before he died
reliable witnesses like Etta

1958
02:15:50,610 --> 02:15:53,520
James claimed that a broom
handle could not have caused the

1959
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:57,000
injuries they saw Sam's head had
been almost severed and he was

1960
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,090
bruised and cut to a major
extent. What's the real story?

1961
02:16:00,150 --> 02:16:03,360
We can only guess there are some
who suggests that Alan Klein

1962
02:16:03,390 --> 02:16:06,690
Sam's manager might have been
behind the murder Sam's death

1963
02:16:06,690 --> 02:16:10,290
would give Klein ownership of a
rice rinds back catalogue. He

1964
02:16:10,290 --> 02:16:13,590
does seem an unlikely culprit as
a living Sam would produce more

1965
02:16:13,590 --> 02:16:17,430
songs and so bring more wealth
decline. Another popular theory

1966
02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:21,000
is that a government agencies
such as the FBI or CIA were the

1967
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:24,030
prime movers in the murder.
Perhaps they wished to remove a

1968
02:16:24,030 --> 02:16:27,030
civil rights activist whose
popularity they feared. It's

1969
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:30,090
argued that Franklin and Boyer
were implicit in a deal that

1970
02:16:30,090 --> 02:16:33,390
guaranteed them immunity from
prosecution for other crimes.

1971
02:16:33,450 --> 02:16:36,780
This theory tries to explain the
injury Sam's sustained by

1972
02:16:36,780 --> 02:16:40,050
suggesting he was beaten up by
government agents before being

1973
02:16:40,050 --> 02:16:43,170
shot. Whether the shot was fired
by Franklin or someone else

1974
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:46,050
can't be proven. It may or may
not be relevant to note that

1975
02:16:46,050 --> 02:16:49,020
Elisa Boyer was arrested the
following month for agreeing to

1976
02:16:49,020 --> 02:16:53,040
have sex with an undercover
police officer for $40.15 years

1977
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,830
later, she was charged with
manslaughter and convicted for

1978
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:57,270
shooting her then boyfriend.

1979
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:59,579
Adam Curry: All right, well,
this is much more believable

1980
02:16:59,579 --> 02:17:03,869
than the other story.
Particularly FBI and CIA, of

1981
02:17:03,869 --> 02:17:08,639
course, you know, we would
believe we're complicit in

1982
02:17:08,729 --> 02:17:13,439
Martin Luther King's shooting.
Alan Klein, I would say knowing

1983
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:17,879
him he was feared and revered in
the music business. I met him

1984
02:17:17,879 --> 02:17:21,479
once at a probably the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame dinner. And I

1985
02:17:21,479 --> 02:17:24,569
was like Alan Klein. Actually

1986
02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:28,530
Moe Factz: always like to Suge
Knight was even shaking my

1987
02:17:28,530 --> 02:17:29,250
elbow,

1988
02:17:29,430 --> 02:17:32,340
Adam Curry: you know. And I
actually recall having no I

1989
02:17:32,340 --> 02:17:36,390
think we had a meeting. We had a
meeting and now this is going to

1990
02:17:36,390 --> 02:17:44,310
be 2000 not not long before he
died, actually, maybe four years

1991
02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:49,620
before he died. I think he died
in the mid 2000s. And it was

1992
02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:53,790
about music on the internet.
Maybe? No, it was it was before

1993
02:17:53,790 --> 02:17:59,040
it was no I'm wrong. It was in
the late 90s. And I just

1994
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:02,130
remember how intimidating he
was. But you know, we he took

1995
02:18:02,130 --> 02:18:08,490
the meeting. And he was feared
and revered i i would say

1996
02:18:09,420 --> 02:18:12,210
knowing that just that little
bit of client I don't think he

1997
02:18:12,210 --> 02:18:15,930
would have he could make more
money and eventually get the

1998
02:18:15,930 --> 02:18:19,380
rights and do whatever he wanted
without having to have Sam Cooke

1999
02:18:19,380 --> 02:18:22,560
killed. I think he's he's
definitely the kind of guys like

2000
02:18:22,560 --> 02:18:26,370
as long as I own you. I don't
care I don't care. Just keep

2001
02:18:26,370 --> 02:18:31,170
keep doing it. Keep doing what
you're doing. And of course

2002
02:18:31,170 --> 02:18:31,350
don't

2003
02:18:31,350 --> 02:18:33,840
Moe Factz: create it's there. So
I'm curious, let Lin lend it to

2004
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,860
that because people will say why
we should not kill Tupac. He was

2005
02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:41,670
saying he was signed to you
know, you know a long term

2006
02:18:41,670 --> 02:18:45,510
record deal. Yeah, but there's
this thing that cropped up in

2007
02:18:45,540 --> 02:18:48,900
you know, the rap community that
there rappers get better

2008
02:18:48,900 --> 02:18:51,420
promotion? Well, no

2009
02:18:51,450 --> 02:18:56,490
Adam Curry: dead rappers and as
we now know arrested rappers go

2010
02:18:56,490 --> 02:19:01,170
to jail get a hit. This is what
45 Savage is witnessing? Yes,

2011
02:19:01,170 --> 02:19:01,350
he's

2012
02:19:01,350 --> 02:19:08,910
Moe Factz: taking the drill rap
formula to a whole case in the

2013
02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:10,410
to the top of the charts.

2014
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:17,130
Adam Curry: Yeah. What it didn't
do in the Allen Klein Sam Cooke

2015
02:19:17,130 --> 02:19:23,610
relationship and did not help
the the struggle between black

2016
02:19:23,610 --> 02:19:27,570
Americans and Jewish Americans
know that that really is one of

2017
02:19:27,570 --> 02:19:30,990
those relationships like See,
see who's in charge. Yeah,

2018
02:19:30,990 --> 02:19:33,120
that's that's kind of what that
did.

2019
02:19:33,779 --> 02:19:41,009
Moe Factz: Which I still think
that's overplay. When you look

2020
02:19:41,009 --> 02:19:44,399
at who's the institutional money
behind these record labels, you

2021
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:47,999
know, it's bigger than that.
Now, all the uses.

2022
02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:50,970
Adam Curry: Yeah, say that. Tell
that to Kanye

2023
02:19:52,110 --> 02:19:55,350
Moe Factz: Tasman. What's the
other thing he realized that

2024
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:59,910
even when the money gets big
enough, the Jewish community has

2025
02:19:59,910 --> 02:20:03,510
to Take a step back. Like when
Adidas, Adidas is like we're

2026
02:20:03,510 --> 02:20:06,150
over, you're bleeding cash,
right? We got it. We gotta get

2027
02:20:06,180 --> 02:20:09,930
we gotta sell these sneakers and
then they have to acquiesce to

2028
02:20:09,930 --> 02:20:12,780
whatever Adidas needs to do.
Right? And who's the

2029
02:20:12,780 --> 02:20:15,480
institutional money behind
Adidas you know, when we start

2030
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:20,340
looking at the big name
investors? That that's what the

2031
02:20:20,340 --> 02:20:25,620
beauty of corporations is it
hides it so well who actually

2032
02:20:25,620 --> 02:20:28,890
pulling the puppet strings?
Yeah. But we don't have any

2033
02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:30,960
puppet strings. We have
producers

2034
02:20:30,990 --> 02:20:33,480
Adam Curry: we do. And we'd like
to thank him and we love it when

2035
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they send us new money

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02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:37,020
Unknown: by like bribing money.
I just I don't want any money

2037
02:20:37,020 --> 02:20:41,670
around me. It's not. I don't
really have a new one that are

2038
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:45,510
brighter than an old 20. That's
kind of dumb. But there's

2039
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:48,390
something about new money that
excites you. You like $100

2040
02:20:48,390 --> 02:20:53,490
bills, owe money to the most
beautiful thing on earth is

2041
02:20:53,490 --> 02:20:59,100
$100. Bill. That is good
looking. Excited.

2042
02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:02,730
Adam Curry: I can't wait to tell
Tina about this episode. Because

2043
02:21:02,730 --> 02:21:06,870
she's like, Oh, this is what oh,
she's, I can't wait to my pastor

2044
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:09,240
about this episode. I want
people to listen, as there's

2045
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:12,840
some value in here. That is just
one of those typical mo facts

2046
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:18,120
with Adam curry. moments where
you can't get this anywhere

2047
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:22,920
else. This is phenomenal. I love
this. We have a lot of people.

2048
02:21:23,250 --> 02:21:24,090
Yes, go ahead.

2049
02:21:24,599 --> 02:21:27,269
Moe Factz: And the producers
make it happen. Exactly. The

2050
02:21:27,269 --> 02:21:32,369
thing is, we're on the Chitlin
Circuit here, folks. You have

2051
02:21:35,039 --> 02:21:39,629
what is? Isn't that what
literally it is, you know, I get

2052
02:21:39,629 --> 02:21:42,749
on this guy's shoulder, give me
a bigger platform. You know, I

2053
02:21:42,749 --> 02:21:46,979
leverage that relationship to
grow my thing. And then I'll

2054
02:21:46,979 --> 02:21:49,859
open up the door maybe for
somebody to come on my show to

2055
02:21:49,859 --> 02:21:54,029
give them profile. And that's
basically what it is the same

2056
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thing. May

2057
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:57,240
Adam Curry: we always stay on
the Chitlin Circuit? Well,

2058
02:21:57,300 --> 02:22:01,890
Moe Factz: I hope so. I wouldn't
I don't plan. Because, yeah,

2059
02:22:02,130 --> 02:22:06,060
being small, and having creative
control is more valuable to me

2060
02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:07,830
than being big and being
controlled.

2061
02:22:08,310 --> 02:22:13,500
Adam Curry: Yep, I figured this
out. About my 50s In my early

2062
02:22:13,500 --> 02:22:18,030
50s When I figured this out.
being number one is is not it

2063
02:22:18,030 --> 02:22:20,160
probably never was what you
think it what you think it

2064
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:24,210
really is? Having a community
who support you, that's

2065
02:22:24,210 --> 02:22:28,050
everything like Daniel White,
who supports us with $47 and

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says, Hey, y'all, can I get one
of those birthday biscuits for

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myself? They always give me a
biscuit on my birthday. Yep. 47

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on June 29, a little bit late.
Sorry about that. But you know,

2069
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the biscuit always stays fresh.
Always enjoy the show. Looking

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forward to whatever slides out
of the most out of the fax

2071
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machine next y'all be good.
That's sir dirty Jersey whore is

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a good guy. I met him in
Georgia. fun guy. Matthew

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Weaver. $40. Thank you Matthew
Matt Baja episode 92 and 91.

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Thank you looking forward to
your next endeavor. Christopher

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Dibiase 33 No, no, but the magic
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with 33 Mo has uncovered
something very important. White

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supremacy is light supremacy.
You know who I mean? What what

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is this from? Hmm, what do you
think he's saying here? White

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supremacy

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Moe Factz: Lucifer. Oh, got it.
Got it. The Who? And these

2081
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bodies? These notes are just as
good the timing of them. What

2082
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was he over the head? The leader
music?

2083
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Adam Curry: Exactly. Oh, wow.
Side note. Mo Have you ever

2084
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thought you'd make a good judge?
Ah, have you ever thought about

2085
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it, man?

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Moe Factz: I would. I think I
would. Yeah, no reason why I say

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that is because proverbs that's
what it's all about is becoming

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a good. You know, Judge King
Solomon?

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Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. 30 from
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Moe Factz: Inside joke. Okay.

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93.

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02:30:35,940 --> 02:30:41,790
Moe Factz: So we have a couple
of different motives and

2185
02:30:41,790 --> 02:30:44,850
possible way Sam Cooke was taken
out. Oh, good. We're

2186
02:30:44,850 --> 02:30:46,410
Adam Curry: back where we
haven't finished with the

2187
02:30:46,410 --> 02:30:48,090
mystery. Good. Oh, no,

2188
02:30:48,330 --> 02:30:55,140
Moe Factz: he goes we go. So we
have the the course the record

2189
02:30:55,140 --> 02:30:59,220
label to point the finger at you
know this groan Oh, but that

2190
02:30:59,220 --> 02:31:02,070
doesn't really make a lot of
sense to kill the goose that

2191
02:31:02,070 --> 02:31:08,010
lays the golden egg. No, that's
not you know it. In the case

2192
02:31:08,010 --> 02:31:11,910
wherever leaving and not under
contract, maybe. But it doesn't

2193
02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:16,920
make much sense. Now you got
where he just got what a

2194
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:23,370
prostitute. And she tried to
trick rolling. But I don't think

2195
02:31:23,370 --> 02:31:27,090
he's gonna take it that far over
some money. Even though it's

2196
02:31:27,090 --> 02:31:31,650
Christmas money. You can't. If
nothing else, you cannot go home

2197
02:31:31,650 --> 02:31:34,590
without the Christmas money. You
know how I feel about Christmas?

2198
02:31:35,130 --> 02:31:38,880
The baby's got to have
Christmas. So maybe that sent

2199
02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:42,780
him over the edge? Who knows?
But then we also have the

2200
02:31:42,990 --> 02:31:48,300
intelligence agencies. You know,
what were they trying to stop a

2201
02:31:48,300 --> 02:31:52,650
person that had the ear of the
people. Let's go ahead and get

2202
02:31:52,650 --> 02:31:56,370
to number 35. This is from our
Prophet. He does great work on

2203
02:31:56,370 --> 02:32:00,000
documentaries document
documenting this kind of history

2204
02:32:00,870 --> 02:32:01,560
35

2205
02:32:01,620 --> 02:32:05,970
Unknown: Back in December 64.
Sam Cooke was a huge star. But

2206
02:32:05,970 --> 02:32:09,780
unlike almost all black
entertainers at the time, he was

2207
02:32:09,780 --> 02:32:13,530
looking towards black economic
power. The record label he was

2208
02:32:13,530 --> 02:32:18,000
signed with RCA was pushing Sam
towards crossing over more to

2209
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:21,420
the white consumer. His song
about the Jim Crow South, a

2210
02:32:21,420 --> 02:32:26,220
change gonna come and lyrics
that were cut out by RCA as they

2211
02:32:26,220 --> 02:32:29,700
didn't want to upset the white
audience buying Sam's records.

2212
02:32:30,180 --> 02:32:33,780
But Sam Cooke felt there was
room for both in his life, and

2213
02:32:33,780 --> 02:32:38,730
as his music career grew, so did
his political angles. When

2214
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:43,440
cashes clay changed his name to
Muhammad Ali and defeated Sonny

2215
02:32:43,440 --> 02:32:47,460
Liston for the Heavyweight
Championship in 1964. Sam Cooke

2216
02:32:47,460 --> 02:32:51,000
was there, along with Malcolm
Max from the Nation of Islam.

2217
02:32:51,180 --> 02:32:55,590
After the newly christened
Muhammad Ali won the match. He

2218
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:59,070
was seen on television in front
of all the news reporters,

2219
02:32:59,400 --> 02:33:08,100
bringing up Sam Cooke and we're
paying his respects listen

2220
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:11,670
very good friend a good vocalist

2221
02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:18,810
Adam Curry: I didn't know any of
that.

2222
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:26,760
Moe Factz: So you got Sam Cooke,
Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The

2223
02:33:27,630 --> 02:33:31,110
Muhammad Ali calm the number one
rock star in the world now you

2224
02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:35,100
got the heavyweight champion in
the world. And Malcolm X being

2225
02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:38,940
the people's champ on the side
of civil rights

2226
02:33:38,970 --> 02:33:43,350
Adam Curry: the trifecta right
there. interest that

2227
02:33:43,350 --> 02:33:47,160
Moe Factz: will make a lot of
people nervous. Yeah. If you

2228
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:51,780
have them and you have in the
background lodger, Elijah

2229
02:33:51,780 --> 02:33:54,570
Muhammad the Honorable Elijah
Muhammad, it Have you ever

2230
02:33:54,570 --> 02:33:58,950
wondered how you want to see it
lurking in the background? And

2231
02:33:58,950 --> 02:34:02,070
possible big money out of Texas
backing him up? But that's

2232
02:34:02,070 --> 02:34:05,940
another show for another day.
Oh, was president at the time?

2233
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:18,270
And six was his 60s Johnson. No,
because that's the 60s 64

2234
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:20,580
Adam Curry: Now was it Kennedy?

2235
02:34:21,060 --> 02:34:22,920
Moe Factz: Kennedy was lightning
60 Right.

2236
02:34:24,840 --> 02:34:28,140
Adam Curry: Yeah. 64. Now
Kennedy was killed in 63. So it

2237
02:34:28,140 --> 02:34:31,170
must it must have been Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. Henry Johnson. Yeah,

2238
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:35,190
the racist. Okay. Makes sense.
Well,

2239
02:34:35,220 --> 02:34:38,460
Moe Factz: like I say, it goes
very deep and we'll get there

2240
02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:42,660
one day but this is the problem
nothing it presented itself. As

2241
02:34:42,660 --> 02:34:46,830
you got somebody out and this is
national television. Yeah. You

2242
02:34:46,830 --> 02:34:49,920
got Muhammad Ali changing his
name. Well, that's a bigger

2243
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:54,480
problem within itself. And you'd
like to say you got the word

2244
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:58,260
scared or more. It's not the
militancy is to do for yourself

2245
02:34:58,260 --> 02:35:02,400
mentality. That's very
disruptive to the economic

2246
02:35:02,400 --> 02:35:07,110
system. If you let this kind of
thinking catch on, but let's go

2247
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:08,010
and get into 36.

2248
02:35:08,190 --> 02:35:11,100
Unknown: Later that evening, Sam
Cooke, Muhammad Ali and Malcolm

2249
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:16,170
X are hanging out together. And
this photograph appeared in FBI

2250
02:35:16,170 --> 02:35:20,220
reports targeting black
activists considered dangerous.

2251
02:35:20,400 --> 02:35:26,670
Sam Cooke, with Muhammad I lead,
and Malcolm X two of the most

2252
02:35:26,700 --> 02:35:31,110
controversial, at least to white
America figures of the time.

2253
02:35:31,770 --> 02:35:35,400
This was not the crowd RCA
wanted Sam Cooke to be a part of

2254
02:35:35,580 --> 02:35:38,490
if there was no Nick Cook was
potentially working with people

2255
02:35:38,490 --> 02:35:42,720
that provoke change and
potential uprising, RCA would

2256
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:44,100
lose a lot of money.

2257
02:35:44,310 --> 02:35:47,760
Well, if you observe what's
going on Han try to figure out

2258
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:52,440
how to how people are thinking
and determine the times of your

2259
02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:55,290
day, I think you can always
write something with it that

2260
02:35:55,290 --> 02:35:56,370
people will understand.

2261
02:35:56,670 --> 02:36:01,110
Around the same time, Sam Cooke
got the idea to get some of the

2262
02:36:01,110 --> 02:36:04,980
top African American singers to
pull their money together and

2263
02:36:04,980 --> 02:36:08,700
form their own record label and
booking company. Now at the

2264
02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:12,240
time, the Italian Mafia was at
the height of its power, and was

2265
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:16,470
truly a shadow second government
in America that had nearly total

2266
02:36:16,470 --> 02:36:20,340
control of the music business.
Sam Cooke would get phone calls

2267
02:36:20,340 --> 02:36:23,550
and visits from mafia figures
telling him, You better leave

2268
02:36:23,550 --> 02:36:27,510
the music industry alone. mafia
members would enter Sam's

2269
02:36:27,510 --> 02:36:31,170
dressing room, they would pose
threats in front of sands,

2270
02:36:31,320 --> 02:36:34,290
friends and family. Cook wasn't
having it.

2271
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:40,800
Adam Curry: Okay, two things
one. On no agenda, Dvorak

2272
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:45,660
brought some new information a
month or two ago as Bobby The K

2273
02:36:45,660 --> 02:36:48,600
is now in the picture. Right
that and you know, of course, we

2274
02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:52,950
still don't have the full JFK
files released even though that

2275
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:57,090
legally should have happened by
now. And the thinking is, that

2276
02:36:57,090 --> 02:37:05,190
it was the mafia who killed JFK.
And the embarrassment that

2277
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:09,180
neither CIA nor FBI could stop
it from happening is the reason

2278
02:37:09,180 --> 02:37:12,870
why that information has not yet
been given out now that kind of

2279
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:17,940
works in this timeline. With
those same agents with the with

2280
02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:21,240
the mafia, having all this power
and threaten that mean, maybe

2281
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:24,120
even power going directly to the
government.

2282
02:37:25,860 --> 02:37:30,420
Moe Factz: You Yeah, and I
alluded to some big money out of

2283
02:37:30,420 --> 02:37:38,070
Texas. Once again, you force my
hand you have always do it. You

2284
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:44,880
ally. I got it. I gotta go home.
Yeah, yeah. HL hunt. Are you

2285
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:50,820
familiar with him H L. big ol
money out of Texas, huge or

2286
02:37:50,820 --> 02:37:56,100
money out of Texas? Very seldom
talked about, but he was the

2287
02:37:56,100 --> 02:38:05,400
money. behind it. This goes I
got to do this quickly. At the

2288
02:38:05,400 --> 02:38:12,900
wrap of my last show, I found
out about this ongoing feud with

2289
02:38:13,140 --> 02:38:15,750
covers basically what about the
orange people? Right, you have

2290
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:24,000
the American kind of cowboy kind
of mentality versus the north

2291
02:38:24,030 --> 02:38:28,890
eastern Wasp mentality. Sure.
There's this war called the

2292
02:38:28,890 --> 02:38:33,960
Yankees versus the Cowboys. were
well aware of the Yankee side,

2293
02:38:33,960 --> 02:38:37,350
the Rockefellers, the Carnegie's
whatever else, but there was a

2294
02:38:37,800 --> 02:38:41,250
nother force on the opposite
side of that for the Cowboys.

2295
02:38:41,250 --> 02:38:46,680
One being HL hunt, which HL Hunt
had Hoover in his back pocket,

2296
02:38:46,980 --> 02:38:49,710
and the mob in his back pocket.
Oh, and

2297
02:38:49,710 --> 02:38:53,040
Adam Curry: so he he might have
been the money behind the

2298
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:56,880
Kennedy assassination to get a
Texan boy Johnson in there.

2299
02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:01,500
Moe Factz: Exactly. Because he's
understanding probably Ben

2300
02:39:01,500 --> 02:39:06,030
Johnson from the beginning, but
the Wasp, and they were letting

2301
02:39:06,480 --> 02:39:09,480
the Kennedys into that group
that you were saying, Master Joe

2302
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:15,090
fortune, right that once he got
to the got to the convention, he

2303
02:39:15,090 --> 02:39:19,260
realized that his candidate was
not going to be selected. And

2304
02:39:19,260 --> 02:39:23,730
that's why he had to take
Johnson. Now, there's paper

2305
02:39:23,730 --> 02:39:27,180
trails that say he might have
been involved in the execution

2306
02:39:27,180 --> 02:39:31,620
of Malcolm X. Martin Luther King
and becaming the brothers.

2307
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:37,230
Adam Curry: There's one other
name in this trifecta. That's

2308
02:39:37,230 --> 02:39:44,550
actually a fourth name. Jim
Brown. Yes, Jim Brown was in

2309
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:48,540
that mix as well with Malcolm
and with Muhammad Ali and with

2310
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:49,950
Sam Cooke.

2311
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:54,750
Moe Factz: And this is why you
see this divide between you

2312
02:39:54,750 --> 02:40:01,710
know, the courtroom SAF Boulais
here yet her she Boulais is not

2313
02:40:02,850 --> 02:40:09,240
unanimous or a one force. You
have the Jim Browns you have

2314
02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:13,050
those people on one side of it.
And then you have the you know

2315
02:40:13,050 --> 02:40:15,210
the people with the
intellectuals on the other side

2316
02:40:15,210 --> 02:40:15,390
of

2317
02:40:18,539 --> 02:40:20,969
Adam Curry: stop saying quote
unquote mo Boulais

2318
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:26,700
Moe Factz: well that the quote
unquote Boulay phone ringing.

2319
02:40:27,450 --> 02:40:30,270
Adam Curry: That's what it was.
Now,

2320
02:40:30,300 --> 02:40:33,060
Moe Factz: what is the bad
habit? Alberich? That's okay.

2321
02:40:33,060 --> 02:40:37,350
Don't worry about it. No, it's a
faux pas in my mind. It's just

2322
02:40:37,350 --> 02:40:44,910
something I have to work on
doing. But you bet on home that

2323
02:40:44,910 --> 02:40:48,300
Kennedy thing once you start
looking into it, yeah, there's

2324
02:40:48,300 --> 02:40:53,730
so many strings and so much
power. But it all draws goes

2325
02:40:53,730 --> 02:40:57,570
back to the same point are far
few points. Interesting. Yeah.

2326
02:40:58,950 --> 02:41:05,280
But going back to the Sam Cooke
murder, let's get into Part 37.

2327
02:41:05,669 --> 02:41:08,609
Unknown: A cook wasn't having
it. It said that he rejected

2328
02:41:08,609 --> 02:41:10,709
everything thrown at him and
said he was going to do it

2329
02:41:10,709 --> 02:41:15,119
anyway. And it got to the point
that Sammy Davis Jr. was tapped

2330
02:41:15,149 --> 02:41:18,869
by the shadowy figures of
organized crime to reach out to

2331
02:41:18,869 --> 02:41:22,739
cook and tell him he better
listen to the Italian. So during

2332
02:41:22,739 --> 02:41:28,349
1964 cooks, RCA contract was up
for renegotiation. And Sam had

2333
02:41:28,349 --> 02:41:32,009
his manager Alan Clang,
renegotiate the contract, to

2334
02:41:32,009 --> 02:41:34,019
include Sam's own record label.

2335
02:41:34,740 --> 02:41:36,540
What do you hope to do in the
future? You're doing different

2336
02:41:36,540 --> 02:41:39,300
things now? Well, now, I'm
working mostly with other young

2337
02:41:39,300 --> 02:41:40,080
singers. You know,

2338
02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:44,460
it was supposed to be a new one
called Tracy unlimited. With Sam

2339
02:41:44,460 --> 02:41:47,820
as the president and Alan Klein
as the secretary, they would

2340
02:41:47,820 --> 02:41:52,050
find in own all the new music.
After poring through the

2341
02:41:52,050 --> 02:41:56,010
contracts and papers personally,
cook realized that his manager

2342
02:41:56,010 --> 02:42:00,030
had sold them out. In actuality,
Sam Cooke would be an employee

2343
02:42:00,150 --> 02:42:04,170
of Tracy Unlimited, which would
be owned by Alan Klein. On a

2344
02:42:04,170 --> 02:42:06,780
Thursday, he was going to flat
in New York and make a lot of

2345
02:42:06,780 --> 02:42:11,520
changes, including firing Alan
Klein, but he never made it

2346
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:12,540
through that weekend.

2347
02:42:13,440 --> 02:42:15,930
Adam Curry: Yeah, sounds
familiar. The here's your own,

2348
02:42:15,930 --> 02:42:17,760
like record labels scam.

2349
02:42:18,599 --> 02:42:23,459
Moe Factz: This the shingles is
basically yeah, you're still

2350
02:42:23,459 --> 02:42:28,079
under universal or CBS. So fill
in the blank at this big record

2351
02:42:28,079 --> 02:42:33,959
label. But we create you a
shingle that you can use on us,

2352
02:42:33,959 --> 02:42:37,709
but you could sign other artists
to yourself, which we still get

2353
02:42:37,709 --> 02:42:42,029
a piece off of. Yeah, I went
through this with the music that

2354
02:42:42,059 --> 02:42:45,239
I was like, I'm not signing
nothing. The best way not to get

2355
02:42:45,239 --> 02:42:49,529
screwed is no sign anything.
That's right. And I've always

2356
02:42:49,529 --> 02:42:54,749
had this mentality and No, just
the highlight the point that

2357
02:42:54,929 --> 02:42:58,079
this show was hip hop. Yeah. And
it's

2358
02:42:59,700 --> 02:43:00,960
Adam Curry: Mommy, look at me
now.

2359
02:43:02,850 --> 02:43:07,080
Moe Factz: series, is it it is
Rap Albums don't drop them when

2360
02:43:07,080 --> 02:43:13,410
they supposed to, you know, is
do you stay true to your fans?

2361
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:16,920
Or do you go for a bigger
audience? All this is way

2362
02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:21,690
independence that we have. That
we can say whatever we want to

2363
02:43:21,690 --> 02:43:25,410
say? Yeah, we don't have a blue
light phone like Sam Cooke had,

2364
02:43:25,740 --> 02:43:28,980
where Sammy Davis Jr. is call a
talk to you boy.

2365
02:43:29,009 --> 02:43:31,079
Adam Curry: Yeah, did the
Italians tell you to talk to

2366
02:43:31,079 --> 02:43:31,619
your boy?

2367
02:43:32,339 --> 02:43:35,489
Moe Factz: That's that's the
that's the mint. That's the

2368
02:43:35,489 --> 02:43:39,569
blue. That's how to Boulais
foreign work is, uh, you know,

2369
02:43:39,569 --> 02:43:42,689
somebody I know. Can you get
them on the phone? Or can you

2370
02:43:42,689 --> 02:43:45,869
send them a message, hey, he
needs to cut it out. And if you

2371
02:43:45,869 --> 02:43:49,559
don't hear that you don't make
it wherever you're trying to go.

2372
02:43:50,130 --> 02:43:52,620
Adam Curry: And literally, and
this is why podcasting is a

2373
02:43:52,620 --> 02:43:58,530
problem. And you know, I've been
following. We've got university

2374
02:43:58,530 --> 02:44:02,280
people studying podcasting.
We've got to Southern Poverty

2375
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:06,120
Law Center studying podcast is a
real problem. This podcasting.

2376
02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:09,870
Podcasting is a problem. It's
like we can't we can't see the D

2377
02:44:09,870 --> 02:44:11,520
platform people everywhere.

2378
02:44:12,210 --> 02:44:17,400
Moe Factz: Freshly fit took a
hit. I don't know what they

2379
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:19,890
thought it was gonna do. They
will stay on YouTube's platform

2380
02:44:19,890 --> 02:44:23,130
and doing what they were doing.
But that was just another hit.

2381
02:44:23,250 --> 02:44:28,170
Yeah, and a novel upset some
people by this but you know, it

2382
02:44:28,170 --> 02:44:37,770
is what it is. What's the dude's
name? Andrew Tate. Yeah. To me

2383
02:44:37,770 --> 02:44:39,240
screens industry plant.

2384
02:44:40,169 --> 02:44:43,919
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. I
mean, I I have not had no

2385
02:44:43,919 --> 02:44:46,529
interest in looking at him. I
just hasn't it's never

2386
02:44:46,529 --> 02:44:48,779
interested me. So I've never
really taken a look at it.

2387
02:44:49,470 --> 02:44:51,960
Moe Factz: This is what I'm
talking about when they push the

2388
02:44:51,960 --> 02:44:57,120
real people to the side. Mr.
Kevin Samuels, who has the

2389
02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,970
weirdest death I've ever heard
of. I've never heard anybody

2390
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,020
Dying of hypertension I've never
heard I've talked to multiple

2391
02:45:04,140 --> 02:45:07,800
now it can be the root cause or
the comorbidity but they're the

2392
02:45:07,800 --> 02:45:10,710
cause of death hypertension
usually it's a stroke or

2393
02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:17,190
whatever else but I digress.
Exit Kevin Samuels and to Andrew

2394
02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:23,430
take care he has industry plant
written all over him. A lot of

2395
02:45:23,430 --> 02:45:26,820
SIP is upsets a lot of people
who will not say this, he's

2396
02:45:26,820 --> 02:45:32,640
divided the big con Inc. If you
notice, people are taking sides

2397
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:36,510
for and against him. Yeah, I
understand it if you got a

2398
02:45:36,510 --> 02:45:41,370
smaller platform you got to
outflank the competition. So you

2399
02:45:41,370 --> 02:45:45,810
take that risk, no to be on his
side. But then you have the more

2400
02:45:45,810 --> 02:45:50,730
established bid con inked by I
don't want to touch him and our

2401
02:45:50,730 --> 02:45:57,960
girl can be Candace Owens Yeah.
Si Si Si Si willful outperform

2402
02:45:59,910 --> 02:46:00,870
Adam Curry: i Yeah.

2403
02:46:02,040 --> 02:46:04,560
Moe Factz: Call her to
conservative Oprah which is

2404
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:06,600
which is it's been a while so we

2405
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:08,790
Adam Curry: got a lot of talk
about what I got it that's

2406
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:13,500
interesting in in this case
because she's part of daily wire

2407
02:46:14,130 --> 02:46:18,480
and daily wire in turn has some
pretty interesting Texans

2408
02:46:20,940 --> 02:46:26,070
footing the bill there Yes. What
is it with Texas?

2409
02:46:26,820 --> 02:46:30,150
Moe Factz: We've been doing this
forever HL Hunt had one of the

2410
02:46:30,150 --> 02:46:33,840
biggest radio show that he has
Yeah, he was the he was the

2411
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:39,120
precursor to Infowars that kind
of thing of of making you know

2412
02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:41,700
strict conservative content

2413
02:46:41,730 --> 02:46:47,220
Adam Curry: Yeah. And honestly
that like the minute when Jordan

2414
02:46:47,220 --> 02:46:50,070
Peterson joined the wire that's
when he started to get really

2415
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:51,150
weirdly political

2416
02:46:52,830 --> 02:46:54,900
Moe Factz: now your talking
points

2417
02:46:54,930 --> 02:46:57,870
Adam Curry: me exactly something
changed there with him that just

2418
02:46:57,900 --> 02:47:02,700
is off putting to me it's like I
like his message I'd like you

2419
02:47:02,700 --> 02:47:05,760
know all the stuff he says about
masculinity and men and young

2420
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:09,330
men and all this and then and
then all sudden he's dropping in

2421
02:47:09,330 --> 02:47:13,260
politics like feels weird.

2422
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:17,340
Moe Factz: When you work for the
company, you gotta take the

2423
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:22,800
company talking point. Yeah. And
with that comes comfort. Lows, I

2424
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:26,610
hit my marks, you know, I'm
gonna be employed. And this is

2425
02:47:26,610 --> 02:47:29,430
why Steven Crowder thing was
such a while I brought it up.

2426
02:47:29,940 --> 02:47:30,510
Because

2427
02:47:32,130 --> 02:47:33,990
Adam Curry: everyone's got their
own version of it.

2428
02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:40,140
Moe Factz: Yeah. And we see it
play out every day since I

2429
02:47:40,140 --> 02:47:45,420
brought up the you know, the,
no, the actual Boulay phone, we

2430
02:47:45,420 --> 02:47:48,780
see instantaneously. Somebody
says something they gotta go

2431
02:47:48,780 --> 02:47:49,410
back on.

2432
02:47:49,470 --> 02:47:50,520
Adam Curry: Yep. You know, they

2433
02:47:50,520 --> 02:47:52,950
Moe Factz: got to change how
they're looking. But just the

2434
02:47:52,950 --> 02:47:56,670
wrap up the Candace Owens thing.
I think she's on shaky ground

2435
02:47:56,670 --> 02:48:00,240
because of what she did what
yay. And she's looking for exit

2436
02:48:00,240 --> 02:48:04,860
strategy. That that is my
analysis on that situation.

2437
02:48:04,860 --> 02:48:07,830
Because this gets goes to the
bigger conversation and when you

2438
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:13,560
go corporate. Yeah. Where do you
go after corporates dealing with

2439
02:48:13,560 --> 02:48:17,430
you? Like seriously? Yeah, it's

2440
02:48:17,460 --> 02:48:23,040
Adam Curry: it's, it's very
difficult. If there's only one

2441
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:26,550
way and that's poverty,
podcasting, that's the only

2442
02:48:26,550 --> 02:48:30,930
place you can still go to, but
yeah, but it takes a lot of a

2443
02:48:30,930 --> 02:48:34,590
lot of stamina, a lot of work
and a lot of honesty to do it.

2444
02:48:34,980 --> 02:48:38,370
Otherwise. And well, yes, yes.
Have been outstanding products,

2445
02:48:38,370 --> 02:48:39,000
always

2446
02:48:39,690 --> 02:48:42,300
Moe Factz: tablet sales, if
nothing else, you made a stellar

2447
02:48:42,300 --> 02:48:46,020
product, they're gonna find you.
Yeah, you know, it is what it

2448
02:48:46,020 --> 02:48:49,020
is. But going back to Sam Cooke,
who also made a stellar product

2449
02:48:51,780 --> 02:48:58,050
this is my conspiracy theory.
It's been a while since we've,

2450
02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:02,220
we have some theory. I'm not
caught you flat footed. But this

2451
02:49:02,220 --> 02:49:04,200
is gonna take this is gonna
crank it up

2452
02:49:04,200 --> 02:49:09,240
Adam Curry: for you. Oh, Mo's
going off the reservation.

2453
02:49:09,240 --> 02:49:12,600
Everybody put on your tinfoil
hat. Here we go ism conspiracy

2454
02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:16,740
theories we love. This is where
this is where we've always we've

2455
02:49:16,740 --> 02:49:18,570
always connected on
conspiracies.

2456
02:49:18,660 --> 02:49:23,370
Moe Factz: Yes. And this isn't
this is one for you. I believe.

2457
02:49:23,700 --> 02:49:33,150
Sam Koch was dosed with LSD went
batshit crazy. And that's why he

2458
02:49:33,150 --> 02:49:39,270
ended up being shot. Who shot
him? I don't know. But at this

2459
02:49:39,270 --> 02:49:45,600
time period, and in this area,
CIA agents and people affiliated

2460
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:51,540
with the agency were known to
dose John's unbeknownst to them.

2461
02:49:51,570 --> 02:49:57,540
Yes. To watch the effects. Yeah.
Yeah. Are you on board and

2462
02:49:57,540 --> 02:49:57,870
you're saying

2463
02:49:59,370 --> 02:50:02,790
Adam Curry: yes, no, I I'm
definitely I'm, there's what is

2464
02:50:02,790 --> 02:50:05,580
the guy's name who jumped out of
his hotel room. That was the

2465
02:50:05,580 --> 02:50:07,230
whole story was exactly that
out.

2466
02:50:07,620 --> 02:50:11,730
Moe Factz: I forget his name. I
don't know why I knew it. And I

2467
02:50:11,730 --> 02:50:13,860
saw it when I was doing this
research, but I didn't get his

2468
02:50:13,860 --> 02:50:18,300
name in the clip. But it's
mentioned in America's war on

2469
02:50:18,300 --> 02:50:19,530
drove the car a

2470
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:23,490
Adam Curry: Frank Frank Olson.
That's it. Frank Olson Yep.

2471
02:50:25,560 --> 02:50:31,320
Moe Factz: Let's listen to how
History Channel captures how

2472
02:50:31,320 --> 02:50:34,860
this whole setup will work. And
let's see if it works with the

2473
02:50:34,860 --> 02:50:35,940
Sam Cooke theory.

2474
02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:41,370
Unknown: Two American spies have
just arrived at Sandoz

2475
02:50:41,370 --> 02:50:44,760
laboratories, one of the world's
leading pharmaceutical

2476
02:50:44,760 --> 02:50:49,470
factories. The mission cornered
the market on the world's supply

2477
02:50:49,500 --> 02:50:51,660
of a powerful new psychoactive
drug.

2478
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:56,100
The CIA was scared stiff, the
KGB was going to get all this

2479
02:50:56,100 --> 02:50:59,250
LSD and come over and start
dosing people. So we bought

2480
02:50:59,280 --> 02:51:02,880
every drop of LSD in existence.
At that point,

2481
02:51:02,940 --> 02:51:07,050
the CIA has just authorized the
purchase of 10 kilograms of pure

2482
02:51:07,050 --> 02:51:11,100
LSD 25 enough to dose more than
half the population of the

2483
02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:12,120
United States.

2484
02:51:12,660 --> 02:51:16,110
They gave it to George White and
let George start dosing people.

2485
02:51:16,680 --> 02:51:17,640
George Hunter

2486
02:51:17,640 --> 02:51:21,090
White, a larger than life
undercover federal narcotics

2487
02:51:21,090 --> 02:51:24,540
agent, unbeknownst to his
supervisors, white also works

2488
02:51:24,540 --> 02:51:29,250
for the CIA. His job to conduct
experiments for an operation

2489
02:51:29,880 --> 02:51:31,410
called Midnight Climax.

2490
02:51:32,610 --> 02:51:35,580
Adam Curry: Who didn't know
about this one.

2491
02:51:37,140 --> 02:51:39,510
Moe Factz: Yeah, Midnight
comics. Ah,

2492
02:51:39,630 --> 02:51:47,040
Adam Curry: okay. Oh. Hmm.
Entry. Of course.

2493
02:51:48,090 --> 02:51:51,120
Moe Factz: You can say something
he wrote a dice. Roll and let's

2494
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:52,020
go to 39

2495
02:51:52,050 --> 02:51:57,270
Unknown: George had a CIA safe
house stocked with booze, George

2496
02:51:57,270 --> 02:52:00,570
would sit behind his one way
mirror drinking martinis,

2497
02:52:00,930 --> 02:52:04,320
sitting on a portable toilet. He
had to take a leak he didn't

2498
02:52:04,320 --> 02:52:05,340
want to get up and leave

2499
02:52:05,370 --> 02:52:09,210
white pays prostitutes to lower
their clients to the agency safe

2500
02:52:09,210 --> 02:52:09,660
house.

2501
02:52:10,830 --> 02:52:13,680
cookers who would bring these
suckers back to the apartment,

2502
02:52:13,950 --> 02:52:18,690
and dosing with pure LSD 25 is
where I have my effect

2503
02:52:19,650 --> 02:52:25,140
in the mind. This is lysergic
acid diethylamide. Better known

2504
02:52:25,140 --> 02:52:29,310
as acid, the powerful drug was
first synthesized in 1938. In

2505
02:52:29,310 --> 02:52:33,810
Switzerland, with a dose of mere
micrograms, the mind becomes

2506
02:52:33,810 --> 02:52:37,680
confused. Perception is
distorted personal identity is

2507
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:41,790
called into question. The
results can be euphoric bliss or

2508
02:52:41,790 --> 02:52:47,760
deadly panic. White takes
meticulous notes and files his

2509
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,770
reports to a CIA handlers.

2510
02:52:50,489 --> 02:52:53,639
So that was how LSD was
introduced to this country.

2511
02:52:54,210 --> 02:52:58,110
Operation Midnight Climax as
part of a larger top secret CIA

2512
02:52:58,110 --> 02:53:02,760
program called MK Ultra. The
goal, learn how to control and

2513
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:04,860
even reprogram people's minds.

2514
02:53:05,790 --> 02:53:09,330
Adam Curry: But I mean it's the
timing is right is obviously not

2515
02:53:09,330 --> 02:53:12,750
a stretch who got the prostitute
there. I mean, we've got all the

2516
02:53:12,750 --> 02:53:15,330
elements that are totally could
have been a part of what

2517
02:53:15,330 --> 02:53:20,070
happened with with Sam Cooke,
but then did he go so he went so

2518
02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:21,360
crazy, they had to kill her?

2519
02:53:22,440 --> 02:53:28,650
Moe Factz: I think they I think
he was dos unintentionally, not

2520
02:53:28,650 --> 02:53:31,770
that they were gonna do Sam
Cooke is that you meet

2521
02:53:31,770 --> 02:53:36,030
prostitutes, which this woman
later was identified as a

2522
02:53:36,030 --> 02:53:39,360
prostitute and a woman that shot
him was later didn't identify as

2523
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:44,400
a madam. And that hotel was down
on near or on Figaro which is

2524
02:53:44,400 --> 02:53:51,600
known as a stroll for
prostitution. I think he just

2525
02:53:52,050 --> 02:54:01,410
caught a bad when got cardi bead
oops. This is this this tail is

2526
02:54:01,410 --> 02:54:05,640
old as you know and and for
because it doesn't make sense to

2527
02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:10,740
me. You get beat for money.
Yeah, you run out negative

2528
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,950
chasing people with one shoe and
then you turn it up to that

2529
02:54:13,950 --> 02:54:16,650
level where somebody has to
shoot you and then you're

2530
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:23,520
beating to almost being
decapitated. Yeah, yeah. over

2531
02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:26,340
money. I mean, we're talking
about Sam Cooke here. I mean,

2532
02:54:26,370 --> 02:54:32,160
I'm sure he's been beat before.
But to take it to that level and

2533
02:54:32,160 --> 02:54:35,040
to be disrobed in that manner
and running around the streets

2534
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:39,240
negative half negative once you
will that just, that's a hard

2535
02:54:39,270 --> 02:54:41,460
that's a hard one for me to
swallow for Sam.

2536
02:54:42,660 --> 02:54:46,590
Adam Curry: Yeah. The only other
guy I know did that was Richard

2537
02:54:46,590 --> 02:54:49,170
Pryor. And he was on fire.

2538
02:54:50,130 --> 02:54:53,280
Moe Factz: And and Martin
Lawrence, remember?

2539
02:54:54,900 --> 02:54:57,870
Adam Curry: You right? He went
crazy to Yeah. And then there

2540
02:54:57,870 --> 02:55:00,240
was Lionel Richie, but that's
because his wife was beating Am

2541
02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:03,960
Moe Factz: I any funny that
psychedelics now or just

2542
02:55:03,960 --> 02:55:05,610
bringing becoming back in vogue,

2543
02:55:05,940 --> 02:55:08,520
Adam Curry: but not not just in
vogue? I mean, we've got

2544
02:55:08,580 --> 02:55:15,270
suburban white housewives
microdosing it's a thing. Oh,

2545
02:55:15,270 --> 02:55:19,500
it's a thing Mall. It's a thing
we got, we got, you know, luxury

2546
02:55:19,500 --> 02:55:24,330
trips where you go to some
island or Mexico or maybe

2547
02:55:24,330 --> 02:55:29,580
Jamaica. And you know, it's like
$10,000 for a couple of days,

2548
02:55:29,580 --> 02:55:33,420
and you have a professional
who's going to take you through

2549
02:55:33,420 --> 02:55:36,210
psychedelics. Oh, yeah, this is
a huge thing right now.

2550
02:55:36,810 --> 02:55:38,940
Moe Factz: That's what we talked
about in the wheel Smith and

2551
02:55:38,940 --> 02:55:42,540
Chris Rock Show. The Ayahuasca
Yes,

2552
02:55:42,540 --> 02:55:46,020
Adam Curry: yeah. And the funny
part

2553
02:55:46,050 --> 02:55:50,880
Moe Factz: is that it starts
with the intellectual crowd, if

2554
02:55:50,880 --> 02:55:57,870
we just lean on a TV show is a
representation of history. In

2555
02:55:57,870 --> 02:56:03,570
Mad Men, yeah. Yeah. The
intellectual rich crowd, it was

2556
02:56:03,570 --> 02:56:09,750
dropping that at first. So I
mean, we're, we're right. We're

2557
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:11,580
right back where we started. And
that

2558
02:56:11,580 --> 02:56:13,710
Adam Curry: changes, nothing
changes come up with a new

2559
02:56:13,710 --> 02:56:14,670
script, fellas.

2560
02:56:15,990 --> 02:56:19,350
Moe Factz: I just think that
this is more plausible to me.

2561
02:56:20,100 --> 02:56:25,680
The what was in the self. I
mean, well, everybody identifies

2562
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:30,960
him as a ladies man, a smooth
guy to go raging like that to

2563
02:56:30,960 --> 02:56:33,120
the point where he has to be
shot and beaten.

2564
02:56:33,480 --> 02:56:37,920
Adam Curry: So but that does
negate the whole theory of well,

2565
02:56:37,950 --> 02:56:41,310
he was too influential, you
know, this was a problem.

2566
02:56:43,440 --> 02:56:45,900
Moe Factz: It is controlled.

2567
02:56:46,259 --> 02:56:48,269
Adam Curry: I was gonna say he
seems like he was complying.

2568
02:56:48,269 --> 02:56:50,459
Okay, I'll take those lines out.
No problem. I'll just keep

2569
02:56:50,459 --> 02:56:50,879
going.

2570
02:56:52,200 --> 02:56:54,600
Moe Factz: That's why I don't
think it was the record label.

2571
02:56:55,350 --> 02:56:58,830
It doesn't make any sense for
them to do it. No. And I don't

2572
02:56:58,830 --> 02:57:02,250
think that oh, we got to take we
got to, I don't think the agency

2573
02:57:02,250 --> 02:57:05,040
was like, Oh, we got to take Sam
Cooke out, either, you know,

2574
02:57:05,070 --> 02:57:08,070
because they had a control room
contractually, right? I didn't

2575
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:14,490
think he just ran across a
government ah, and it went

2576
02:57:14,490 --> 02:57:15,030
wrong.

2577
02:57:16,170 --> 02:57:17,520
Adam Curry: Very possible Mo.

2578
02:57:19,290 --> 02:57:23,850
Moe Factz: So, this, this is
from a legit CIA, former CIA

2579
02:57:23,850 --> 02:57:28,830
agent, if there's no such thing.
I'm speaking to Joe Rogan. And

2580
02:57:28,830 --> 02:57:32,520
he gives more insight to the
midnight comics,

2581
02:57:32,700 --> 02:57:37,020
Unknown: a lot of these things
were funded through cutouts. So

2582
02:57:37,020 --> 02:57:41,190
he had set up again, this is you
know, early 50s, mid 50s, early

2583
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:48,090
60s, set up financing vehicles,
you know, through say, you know,

2584
02:57:48,090 --> 02:57:53,850
what appear to be non
threatening grant programs, you

2585
02:57:53,850 --> 02:57:57,000
know, from Research Institute.
So you're you you loop in

2586
02:57:57,240 --> 02:58:01,740
academic institutions, or
researchers and MK Ultra had at

2587
02:58:01,740 --> 02:58:06,510
least acknowledged anyway over
80 academic institutions and

2588
02:58:06,510 --> 02:58:10,860
others that were either
wittingly or unwittingly working

2589
02:58:10,860 --> 02:58:16,290
on their behalf in various
research programs. So yeah, this

2590
02:58:16,290 --> 02:58:20,370
this Midnight Climax program,
basically, they'd they'd kick

2591
02:58:20,370 --> 02:58:26,490
out a safe house as a brothel.
And they would have the hookers

2592
02:58:27,180 --> 02:58:32,130
slip LSD or whatever substance
to the, to the John's. And then

2593
02:58:32,610 --> 02:58:36,750
behind a mirror, you'd have a
supposedly like a researcher,

2594
02:58:36,780 --> 02:58:39,660
right? I mean, this workout were
sitting there, you know, having

2595
02:58:39,660 --> 02:58:42,570
a drink and watching these, you
know, the the Hooker and the

2596
02:58:42,570 --> 02:58:45,810
John have sex, and then they'd
be analyzing the impact of the

2597
02:58:45,810 --> 02:58:49,200
LSD on them in terms of their
ability to talk and, and would

2598
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:52,380
they hook her in on it? Yeah,
the hooker was in on it and see

2599
02:58:52,380 --> 02:58:56,520
an employee of the CIA. Do you
don't and it was, it wasn't just

2600
02:58:56,520 --> 02:58:58,500
the agency, you know, like the
army was involved in these

2601
02:58:58,500 --> 02:58:58,740
things.

2602
02:59:01,110 --> 02:59:02,820
Adam Curry: For for Dietrich,

2603
02:59:02,849 --> 02:59:06,779
Moe Factz: did you? Did you see
him avoid that question? Yeah,

2604
02:59:06,780 --> 02:59:07,710
Adam Curry: it was the hooker in
on it.

2605
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:12,270
Moe Factz: And then he goes on
to answer another question that

2606
02:59:12,270 --> 02:59:14,550
was very smooth with the agency,
man.

2607
02:59:14,580 --> 02:59:16,410
Adam Curry: Well, because
there's no such thing as a

2608
02:59:16,410 --> 02:59:17,970
former CIA agent.

2609
02:59:19,650 --> 02:59:21,480
Moe Factz: Let's hear that. When
was this that little piece

2610
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:23,040
again, we're going to pick it up
from there.

2611
02:59:23,130 --> 02:59:26,130
Unknown: And then they'd be
analyzing the impact of the LSD

2612
02:59:26,130 --> 02:59:28,770
on them in terms of their
ability to talk and, and would

2613
02:59:28,770 --> 02:59:31,590
they we'll hook her in on it.
Yeah, the hookah was in on it

2614
02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:36,360
and seen employee of the CIA. Do
you know and it was just the

2615
02:59:36,360 --> 02:59:40,080
Epstein Epstein CEO like the
army was involved in these

2616
02:59:40,080 --> 02:59:45,480
things as well. But they would
get you know, cash payments, and

2617
02:59:46,020 --> 02:59:50,940
oftentimes the Get Out of Jail
live Get Out of Jail Free card.

2618
02:59:53,340 --> 02:59:55,380
Pack. You know what, ladies, if
you're out yeah, if you're out

2619
02:59:55,380 --> 03:00:02,370
there, listen to me go. Forward.
I'm here for Yeah. What was that

2620
03:00:02,370 --> 03:00:02,820
from?

2621
03:00:03,899 --> 03:00:04,769
Moe Factz: That was Joe Rogan.

2622
03:00:05,129 --> 03:00:08,009
Adam Curry: Was that Joe? Yeah.
Interesting.

2623
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:14,999
Moe Factz: Joe said, Is he still
alive? Yeah, we need to talk to

2624
03:00:14,999 --> 03:00:16,229
him. We need to bring him up
here.

2625
03:00:16,259 --> 03:00:18,149
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no,
no, none of that.

2626
03:00:19,199 --> 03:00:25,139
Moe Factz: No. But but that's
how it roll. Wow. That's

2627
03:00:25,139 --> 03:00:29,069
straight from the horse's mouth
and what caught me. My attention

2628
03:00:29,069 --> 03:00:35,099
was these university cutouts.
Yeah. I've pointed to the

2629
03:00:35,099 --> 03:00:39,209
universities from day one where
you look at all the sexual

2630
03:00:39,209 --> 03:00:43,199
studies, race studies. What's
the other one?

2631
03:00:43,620 --> 03:00:46,830
Adam Curry: Right up to
Professor Ted, Stanford

2632
03:00:46,830 --> 03:00:47,610
University.

2633
03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:54,630
Moe Factz: Right? And even the
critical theory on Marxism,

2634
03:00:54,930 --> 03:00:56,580
every Frankfurt School

2635
03:00:56,610 --> 03:00:59,280
Adam Curry: all comes through
the universities, all of it and

2636
03:00:59,280 --> 03:01:02,190
then of course, the universities
create teachers and they go in

2637
03:01:02,190 --> 03:01:04,290
and they start corrupting the
middle schools.

2638
03:01:05,100 --> 03:01:07,920
Moe Factz: And you know what
else came out of university? The

2639
03:01:07,920 --> 03:01:12,420
Harvard report this is Logan
Westbrook, a mover and shaker. I

2640
03:01:12,420 --> 03:01:14,100
don't know if you know him or
not, you can still keep

2641
03:01:14,850 --> 03:01:19,380
everybody in the base. But this
is louder, Westbrook, and he

2642
03:01:19,500 --> 03:01:23,730
this is an older clip. And he's
going to describe the horror

2643
03:01:23,730 --> 03:01:27,690
report which is CBS. Would you
like to tell people what you

2644
03:01:27,690 --> 03:01:28,770
call CBS?

2645
03:01:28,860 --> 03:01:31,770
Adam Curry: Oh, the Central
Intelligence broadcasting

2646
03:01:31,770 --> 03:01:32,430
systems.

2647
03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:38,310
Moe Factz: Okay, CBS
Commission's Harvard to do a

2648
03:01:38,310 --> 03:01:44,100
study 50 years ago. Are you
seeing the timeline here? We're

2649
03:01:44,100 --> 03:01:49,320
hip hop, I'm with you're
celebrating 50 years CBS

2650
03:01:49,530 --> 03:01:53,820
Commission's Harvard to do this
report. This is Westbrook's

2651
03:01:54,030 --> 03:01:55,320
early take on it.

2652
03:01:56,340 --> 03:02:00,450
Unknown: Most of my exposure has
been on the business side, the

2653
03:02:00,450 --> 03:02:05,190
marketing handed dictionary
books, I put out a copy of the

2654
03:02:05,190 --> 03:02:09,660
Harmon report, which has never
been released. And I put it out

2655
03:02:09,690 --> 03:02:13,680
in its raw form, just as it was
presented to me from the

2656
03:02:13,680 --> 03:02:19,800
students at heart. So it can be
very controversial. Some say

2657
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:25,470
that the carbon report was the
beginning of the demise of black

2658
03:02:25,470 --> 03:02:29,640
record companies. What I have
released this book, just as it

2659
03:02:29,640 --> 03:02:34,650
was presented to me, like you
form. Why do people think that?

2660
03:02:35,880 --> 03:02:42,090
Well, again, it's so easy for
one to follow the bliss. The

2661
03:02:42,090 --> 03:02:48,360
really saying is that Clive
Davis and and his big mining

2662
03:02:48,360 --> 03:02:53,220
company decided to hire these
students to do this record. And

2663
03:02:53,220 --> 03:02:56,700
when they did this report, the
union says and blueprint to

2664
03:02:56,700 --> 03:03:00,720
follow this report to swallow up
the track record companies and

2665
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:04,800
put them out of business. That's
what they say. That's not true.

2666
03:03:04,890 --> 03:03:08,730
That's what they're saying. And
even when Apple bagel, who was

2667
03:03:08,730 --> 03:03:13,650
the owner of Stax Records, he
sued CBS Records, and he used

2668
03:03:13,650 --> 03:03:14,580
that report.

2669
03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:21,330
Adam Curry: Man, I have not met
him. But if you go to his

2670
03:03:21,330 --> 03:03:27,810
website, Logan westbrooks.com.
Right. There's a big picture of

2671
03:03:27,810 --> 03:03:34,590
him and Obama. Right, right.
Another CIA cutout. Oh, man,

2672
03:03:34,620 --> 03:03:37,440
this is great. Interesting,

2673
03:03:37,620 --> 03:03:41,310
Moe Factz: very protective of
Clive Davis. Bob Davis has had

2674
03:03:41,310 --> 03:03:49,260
his fist on black music. And
he's clutch I would say, oh,

2675
03:03:49,260 --> 03:03:51,720
yeah, for a very long time.

2676
03:03:52,110 --> 03:03:57,000
Adam Curry: And Clive Davis,
very black mailable has an I

2677
03:03:57,000 --> 03:03:59,730
think they got him for a moment
there that was wasn't even that

2678
03:03:59,730 --> 03:04:03,240
long ago that you know, there
was some payola scandal and even

2679
03:04:03,240 --> 03:04:05,880
though it turned out that it
wasn't really anything to do

2680
03:04:05,880 --> 03:04:08,820
with him, he got implicated in
it. He got fired from his own

2681
03:04:08,820 --> 03:04:13,140
company. He was Mr. Whitney
Houston, he created Whitney

2682
03:04:13,140 --> 03:04:13,590
Houston.

2683
03:04:14,430 --> 03:04:19,410
Moe Factz: And then the way the
story goes, he was very callous

2684
03:04:19,440 --> 03:04:23,670
around her death. The show must
go home kind of thing which kind

2685
03:04:23,670 --> 03:04:28,110
of made him lose favor. Yeah,
he's very tied in with Diddy.

2686
03:04:28,860 --> 03:04:30,210
Take a Puff Daddy.

2687
03:04:30,540 --> 03:04:33,150
Adam Curry: Yeah, and there's a
lot of rumors about them being

2688
03:04:33,150 --> 03:04:35,400
romantically involved. Yes.

2689
03:04:36,600 --> 03:04:39,630
Moe Factz: But we know the CIA
gets down they used sexual

2690
03:04:39,630 --> 03:04:46,230
blackmail to control yes exactly
control all but it's funny that

2691
03:04:46,230 --> 03:04:51,990
Mr. Logan Westbrook uses words
like myth and you know, this

2692
03:04:52,020 --> 03:04:56,430
basically, you know, this is a
story concocted to make Clive

2693
03:04:56,430 --> 03:04:59,610
Davis look bad, right. That was
the that's what we take away for

2694
03:04:59,610 --> 03:05:04,350
49 All right, yeah. Well as
these men get on these Boulay,

2695
03:05:04,350 --> 03:05:08,520
men get older, and the door
started shut shut on them. I

2696
03:05:08,520 --> 03:05:12,570
think this is maybe the 14
hours, maybe 10, maybe 15 years

2697
03:05:12,570 --> 03:05:17,160
ago, just looking at the camera
quality, and the dress. This is

2698
03:05:17,160 --> 03:05:20,610
more recent, this is on the
anniversary of the 50 year

2699
03:05:21,720 --> 03:05:26,160
release of the Harvard report,
where the Commission have it not

2700
03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:29,850
the release of the book. He's
changed his tune a little bit.

2701
03:05:30,810 --> 03:05:33,180
Unknown: So tell us what the
Harvard report is and how it

2702
03:05:33,180 --> 03:05:33,690
started.

2703
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:40,380
The Hodel report was a study
that was conducted in 19 172.

2704
03:05:41,190 --> 03:05:46,740
And it was permission by CBS
under the auspices of client,

2705
03:05:47,310 --> 03:05:51,930
five, Davis, and Bruce Landau
busanga, who was the VP of

2706
03:05:51,930 --> 03:05:56,430
Marketing, who I reported to,
and he came up with the idea to

2707
03:05:56,430 --> 03:06:00,810
conduct this study, using some
shooters here at the Harvard the

2708
03:06:00,810 --> 03:06:05,460
the B School students as a
project. And they took it on, I

2709
03:06:05,460 --> 03:06:10,800
was a liaison between CBS and
Harvard. And I worked directly

2710
03:06:10,800 --> 03:06:16,110
with those students and guiding
them and that next day, and the

2711
03:06:16,110 --> 03:06:19,800
results of our study was called
the Harvard report. Basically,

2712
03:06:19,830 --> 03:06:24,150
it was a Blueprint was a
blueprint for pin trading, black

2713
03:06:24,150 --> 03:06:29,010
music, marketing, and also
intentions of dominating black

2714
03:06:29,010 --> 03:06:31,140
music and black lives. That was

2715
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:35,520
Adam Curry: power 101. The
Harvard report.

2716
03:06:37,170 --> 03:06:40,080
Moe Factz: CA You thought it was
a myth? No,

2717
03:06:40,110 --> 03:06:40,860
Adam Curry: it's real.

2718
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:44,820
Moe Factz: And Mr. Logan said it
will Mr. Westbrook said it was

2719
03:06:45,090 --> 03:06:50,460
in his original clip 49 He said
it was it was a myth. The make

2720
03:06:51,030 --> 03:06:56,040
Clive look bad. Now he's the
liaison going between the two

2721
03:06:57,270 --> 03:07:02,640
institutions being the bag man,
basically. And it's the

2722
03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:05,940
blueprint, it went from a mirror
to a blueprint. Which one is

2723
03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:09,930
Adam Curry: it a blueprint? This
is interesting. Because this, of

2724
03:07:09,930 --> 03:07:13,170
course, is around this time,
this is where we start to get

2725
03:07:13,170 --> 03:07:16,770
the conspiracy theories about
you know, a relatively small

2726
03:07:16,770 --> 03:07:19,590
group who got together and said,
Hey, this hip hop thing, we got

2727
03:07:19,590 --> 03:07:23,190
to do something with that we got
to control that. We can control

2728
03:07:23,190 --> 03:07:27,270
the mass and we can do stuff for
this. And is that am I going to

2729
03:07:27,270 --> 03:07:29,220
presume 94 might have some of
that?

2730
03:07:30,390 --> 03:07:33,900
Moe Factz: Yeah, we're gonna get
we're gonna go ahead to light a

2731
03:07:33,900 --> 03:07:39,360
platinum, the foundation down to
show you all the inner workings,

2732
03:07:39,360 --> 03:07:44,100
the shift from this higher
infinite power that this group

2733
03:07:44,100 --> 03:07:48,360
of people has, that has to be
controlled. Gospel music isn't

2734
03:07:48,360 --> 03:07:53,850
that means gospel means the Good
News. The machine can't allow

2735
03:07:53,850 --> 03:07:56,910
the good news to go because it
teaches about liberation

2736
03:07:56,910 --> 03:07:58,980
freedom, you know, and being
independent,

2737
03:07:59,190 --> 03:08:01,950
Adam Curry: and love. Oh my god,
right? Let's not let's not

2738
03:08:01,950 --> 03:08:02,640
forget that.

2739
03:08:03,960 --> 03:08:10,800
Moe Factz: So what they done is
promote the secular music, which

2740
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:15,450
basically inverts gospel music.
And at the same time, they

2741
03:08:15,450 --> 03:08:21,630
hijack the black secular music
by eliminating Sam Cooke and

2742
03:08:21,960 --> 03:08:25,530
putting in other figures of
power, we'll get back to that

2743
03:08:25,530 --> 03:08:30,540
and 94 Maybe, and then they got
a 50 year plan on how they ran

2744
03:08:30,540 --> 03:08:35,130
their Rhino schedule. Black
Music is wrapped up. How you

2745
03:08:35,130 --> 03:08:38,880
talked about 100 songs they pick
for Oh, yeah. On the black radio

2746
03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:40,020
is 10 songs. Yeah.

2747
03:08:41,220 --> 03:08:43,620
Adam Curry: Well, that's going
to be interesting when we when

2748
03:08:43,620 --> 03:08:46,590
we see things change with value
for value music. This is what

2749
03:08:46,590 --> 03:08:50,100
you're talking about
serendipitous? Yes, right around

2750
03:08:50,100 --> 03:08:53,340
this time right is we're
celebrating 50 years of Jay Z

2751
03:08:53,340 --> 03:08:54,300
I'm sorry, hip hop

2752
03:08:54,990 --> 03:08:55,860
Moe Factz: on top.

2753
03:08:58,590 --> 03:09:00,750
Adam Curry: There's no
coincidence in the kingdom. Mo

2754
03:09:00,780 --> 03:09:03,630
this happens to all this happens
for a reason I love it. I love

2755
03:09:03,630 --> 03:09:05,580
that you brought this today.
This is fantastic.

2756
03:09:06,690 --> 03:09:10,650
Moe Factz: I appreciate that.
And as I always say, pay

2757
03:09:10,650 --> 03:09:14,010
attention to everything and the
true reveal itself

2758
03:09:14,070 --> 03:09:17,220
Adam Curry: and we will try to
get to you with 94 as soon as

2759
03:09:17,220 --> 03:09:21,720
possible. Thank you and remember
to support us at mo facts.com

2760
03:09:21,720 --> 03:09:24,750
We'll see you soon everybody
with episode number 94.

2761
03:09:49,980 --> 03:09:50,910
Unknown: Kitchen Kitchen Kitchen

2762
03:09:59,550 --> 03:10:05,250
to me My name is Lucia said
where's Ricardo? You shall know

2763
03:10:05,250 --> 03:10:09,030
not to show these around to me
like this when I turned 26 I was

2764
03:10:09,030 --> 03:10:12,900
like oh shit you said to me I
remember what you said. You said

2765
03:10:13,020 --> 03:10:15,870
my name is Lucy Kendrick you
introduce me games you can

2766
03:10:15,900 --> 03:10:19,410
usually I don't do this but
actually you will make you give

2767
03:10:19,410 --> 03:10:23,430
you know what stories are bad
these rappers that I came back

2768
03:10:23,430 --> 03:10:31,680
to when they was boring Lucy
Lucy Lucy just want you to trust

2769
03:10:31,680 --> 03:10:36,360
them is national easy I met the
functions accordingly Kendrick

2770
03:10:36,360 --> 03:10:40,530
Lucy does like a mini Lucy
workout or Lucy even when Lucy

2771
03:10:40,530 --> 03:10:46,350
know you love your father hello
she truly lucido Marcus at the

2772
03:10:46,350 --> 03:10:49,860
end of the day your show me Lucy
go get it Lucy Matt dammit

2773
03:10:49,860 --> 03:10:54,600
Lucia. Gucci got paperwork,
paperwork I want you to know

2774
03:10:54,600 --> 03:10:57,960
that Lucy gets run your life or
wash to and now you are going up

2775
03:10:57,960 --> 03:11:00,150
to sign his contract gift this
package and get your

2776
03:11:13,110 --> 03:11:17,370
registration this emotion with
this name is