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Unknown: Darkness supernova
black hole

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Adam Curry: facts with Adam
curry for September 27 2023

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Episode number 94 You've been
ready for us and we deliver Adam

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curry coming to you from the
heart of the Texas Hill Country

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time once again to spin the
Wheel of topics from here to

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Northern Virginia please say
hello to my friend on the other

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end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo
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Moe Factz: how you know Adam,

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Adam Curry: I am doing good mo
it's good to hear you brother.

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It's good to be back on the on
the I was gonna say wheels of

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steel but I'm not on the the
sticks of steel sticks. Yeah.

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What's happening in Virginia mo

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Moe Factz: everything's going
good. We had the storm the past

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weekend. Got a lot of rain
needed rain. Everything's going

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good. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: we got we finally
got some rain here in Texas too.

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It was bad man. It's been almost
four months with almost no rain.

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Everything is brown and dead and
it's just, it's been bad and

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bad. However, there's the light
at the end of the tunnel. Mo

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facts 94 I am ready. I'm ready
to find out what not I'm not

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sure if we're doing a part two.
If you know what I don't know.

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Let's just let's find out what
we're doing. I'm gonna roll

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back. We'll have topics round
around. It goes back stops

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nobody knows. Of course mo knows
because he put everything

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together expertly today the
topic thermofax with Adam curry

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episode number 94 is Holy Ghost

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Unknown: meets commerce. The

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Adam Curry: puzzling the Holy
Ghost meets commerce.

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Moe Factz: As you tease this is
a follow up from 93. Higher

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infinite power. Yes. If you're
not hip, pun intended. That was

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the hip part of hip hop. Oh, now
we have to go to the hot hot

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part is which is an acronym for
helping our people. And if you

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haven't caught on by not you
have but if people would

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delicious, haven't caught on.
This is not a historical. In

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this borough, this guy used this
turntable to make this now

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that's not what we're doing
here. Because we don't do stuff

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like that right? Now, that's
just a rehash. No,

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Adam Curry: I mean that you can
go to the museum, the Jay Z

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museum about himself to find out
about that.

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Moe Factz: Yes, or you can go to
any 50 year anniversary

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celebration and get the watered
down history. What I'm hoping to

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do here is present the bedrock
that hip hop was built on. And

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hopefully if you haven't heard
93, maybe you should stop now.

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Go over to 93. But if you're not
going to stop now, I actually

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put a mash up together of some
important clips. So for the

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people that haven't heard in 93,
it can bring them into it. It's

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a real real,

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Adam Curry: it's a recap. I
don't usually do those. This is

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this is new.

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Moe Factz: Right. So this is a
bridge, hopefully. So if you're

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just tuning in for the first
time you're not completely lost.

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Or if you're you know you want
to hear this first out of order

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or whatever you want to do it.
This this mash up or recap. It's

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five minutes long. You can stop
it whenever you want to stop it

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as far as to interject, but I'm
just laying it out are some

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important clips from the last
show. So here's what gives you

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the jumping.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, here's what
we'll do. We'll have Dred Scott

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put a chapter marker in here. So
you can skip right ahead to

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after this. If you don't want to
hear it. How does that sound

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this modern podcasting
technology is AI Dred Scott is

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AI I'm telling you he's AI.
Alright, here we go. The

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flashback recap of Mo Fox with
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Unknown: There are however a
number of inconsistencies we

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have to highlight. Firstly,
restaurant staff and customers

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were the pair had eaten claimed
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money with him. Ostensibly this
was to buy Christmas gifts. That

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money was never recovered.
Bertha Franklin had at one time

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been an operator of a brothel
and rumors persisted after the

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killing that she and Boyer who
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running a scam. Boyer would find
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them but the two women would
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rape

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So yeah, this this Midnight
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they'd kick out a safe houses a
brothel and they would have the

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hookers slip LSD or whatever
substance to the to the John's.

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And then behind a mirror, you'd
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researcher right? I mean, this
is workout were sitting there

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or, you know, having a drink and
watching these, you know, the

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then they'd be analyzing the

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impact of the LSD on them in
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and, and would they hook her in
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on it and see an employee of the
CIA. Do you know and it wasn't

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just the agency like the army
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well, but they would get you
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oftentimes the live Get Out of
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card, Franklin had shot a motel
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Moe Factz: Just because I'd set
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discussing is the death of Sam
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murdered for lack of better
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may have walked into some kind
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whorehouse for right and maybe
got dosed or slipped a Mickey

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LSD bugged out, because it was
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aggressive and violent. As we
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properly. So I just want to stop
there. Did you want to interject

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anything? No, no,

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Adam Curry: no, I remember this.
I remember all this perfectly

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well, so we can we can go from
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Unknown: they would get you
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oftentimes, the live Get Out of
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had shot a motel guest in
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months earlier. It's argued that
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in a deal that guaranteed them
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other crimes. This theory tries
to explain the injuries Sam

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sustained by suggesting he was
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before being shot.

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Cook wasn't having it. It said
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thrown at him and said he was
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got to the point that Sammy
Davis Jr. was tapped by a

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shadowy figures of organized
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tell him he better listen to the
Italian. So during 1964 cooks,

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RCA contract was up for
renegotiation. And Sam had his

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manager Alan Clang, renegotiate
the contract, to include Sam's

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own record label.

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What do you hope to do in the
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you're doing different things
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mostly

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with other young singers,

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poring through the contracts and
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that his manager had sold them
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would be an employee of Tracy
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by Alan Klein, on a Thursday, he
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make a lot of changes, including
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made it through that weekend.

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A lot of these things were
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set up again, this is you know,
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set up financing vehicles, you
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what appear to be non
threatening grant programs, you

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know, from Research Institute.
So you're you you loop in

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academic institutions, or
researchers and MK Ultra had at

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least acknowledged anyway over
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others that were either
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on their behalf in various
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Most of my exposure has been on
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and the visionary books that I
put out a copy of the heartland

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report, which has never been
released. And I put it out in

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its raw form, just as it was
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students in half. So it can be
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that the common report was the
beginning of the demise of black

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record companies. What I have
released his book, just as it

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was presented to me, let you
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why did people think that? Well,
again, so he needs it for one to

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follow the myths. The real
saying is that Clive Davis and,

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and his big mining company
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to do this record. And when they
did this report, the union says

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and blueprint to follow this
report to swallow up the track

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record companies and put them
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they say. That's not true.
That's what they're saying.

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So tell us what the Harvard
report is and how it started.

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The Howard report was a study
that was conducted in 1972. And

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it was the mission by CBS under
the auspices of client, tribe

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Davis, and Bruce Landau.
busanga. Who was the VP of

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Marketing who I reported to, and
he came up with the idea to

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conduct this study using some
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resume students as a project.
And they took it on, I was a

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liaison between CBS and Harvard.
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students in guiding them and the
next day. And the results of

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that study was called the
Harvard report. Basically, it

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was a blueprint. It was a
blueprint for pin trading, black

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music, marketing, and also
intentions of dominating black

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music and black lives. That was,

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Adam Curry: yeah. Yes, I just
love that MK Ultra was at the

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base of hip hop.

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Moe Factz: MK Ultra Harvard.
LSD. Yeah, baby. CBS which you

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put me onto this, this you know,
I'm telling what CBS CIA

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broadcasting systems. So you
have all these entities floating

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around figure out how Dr. Logan
Westbrook said penetrating the

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black music. He helped with the
blueprint. And the previous

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clip, he said it was a myth.
Then later on down like because

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there's there's a good time gap
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when they were recorded. Now he
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Yeah, you know. I'm part of the
reason why, you know, black

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music was penetrated and taking
over. So there we have it. So

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you got to see i CBS Clive
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stuff. And we all know, this
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hip hop was created in 1973.
Which we're celebrating the 50

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year anniversary now. That's a
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Adam Curry: What is what is
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we talked about this on 93 What
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Moe Factz: Oh, well, as we
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Adam Curry: way longer, right?
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Moe Factz: Rappers Delight.
Rappers Delight, my Sugar Hill

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gang, but some people argue that
the message was the really the

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first hip hop song.

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Adam Curry: Great Grandmaster
Flash. Yeah, because that that

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actually was talking about, you
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It was a real CNN type, you
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Moe Factz: That and it didn't
have the disco vibe that Sugar

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Hill gang had, it was it
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with that record. So 1973 is the
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on 93 We have people rapping in
1940s. So you can have that, but

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it's just interesting. 1972 This
report is done. 1973 Hip Hop

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comes along. And we're off to
the races. And as Dr. Logan

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Westbrook said, these big
companies and as the CIA agent,

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former CIA agent, if there's a
such thing said that they work

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through these research
institutions with MK Archer.

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Yeah, is hip hop, a mind control
mechanism was hijacked. This is

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what we're going to explore a
new thing in a new episode.

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Adam Curry: I love it. I mean,
you know, there's always been

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these conspiracy theories about
you know, men who control Hip

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Hop black music, and turn it
into what it is today and have

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more fat along with actually
with designer drugs every single

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time. Now there's a there's a
tight correlation between every

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music genre every period and the
drug that's associated with it.

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I would say most notably now
with the big DJs who fill up the

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big stadiums. You know, that's
Molly that's x. In the end, it's

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all a part of the same thing.

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Moe Factz: Correct. And you got
to look at Woodstock and the

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psychedelic, this kind of thing.
And I'm, so we're not gonna get

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too far ahead. So now we're
going to pick up and begin this

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episode officially, with Dr.
Francis Cresswell Singh, and she

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explains the role of the black
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Unknown: in the last 500 years.
Black people in this area of the

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world we can say that there's no
such thing as black hole. What

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there is, is what the system of
racism white supremacy programs

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black people to In other words,
racism, white supremacy says,

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You are not going to be
scientists. You are not going to

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be highly functioning doctors
and lawyers and teachers, you

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are not going to have stable
family life. You are not going

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to respect. Now your role is to
entertain me. So you can jump up

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and down and saying you can
dance. And yes, you're good at

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sports, you can do that in some
in some venues. That's what I'm

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gonna allow you to do.

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Adam Curry: She's a
psychiatrist.

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Moe Factz: Yes, she was she was
she's passed away now. But yeah,

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done. We've, we've looked at her
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that's the thing. And Hip Hop is
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a music. And I would even go to
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considered more of a competitive
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music. But let me lay out why I
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When you age and hip hop is not
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Roll. You know, you can age out
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artist. Yeah, like

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Adam Curry: seeing Run DMC at
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10th time is like, they're all
fat, and they got the Adidas on

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it's like, they can't they can't
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Moe Factz: And there's a
competitive nature in hip hop.

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Um, as far as I want to be the
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don't know if I haven't seen it
and other genres. I'm sure there

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there is inside out competition.
But this is a built in mechanism

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of hip hop. Well, it's

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Adam Curry: like going back
pillars doesn't like go back to

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kind of gang gang. gangs.

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Moe Factz: Yeah, but I will say
that predates gangs is more of

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I'm doing this right now. And
let me explain to you, Hey, have

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you ever heard of flow state?
No, I don't think so. Okay, the

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flow state is like, when you're
in the zone, you hear it in

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sports? I'm in the zone. Yeah.
You know, that's when you're in

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that creative state. That you
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you're just in the in the
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freestyle or the competitive
well, how battle rap?

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Adam Curry: Yeah, he's I was
gonna say battle rap. Exactly.

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That's something you don't hear.
I very rarely will be a

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reference in a non hip hop song
to a different song or different

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artists. But of course, part of
a Well, part of, I mean, I was

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in talking about this before Los
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the what was the big station in
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remember. But they had, you
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was a it was a street street
fair. And even then it was, you

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know, two guys against each
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each other. And that that was
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Moe Factz: It it was at the
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DJs really created hip hop with
the break records and that kind

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of thing. And they had to have
an emcee or master of

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ceremonies, kind of control the
crowd. Well, it became

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competitive, who could control
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where you had your battle thing
going on. It's like I'm better

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than you. And it kind of comes
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like your mama jokes or snapping
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it became ROM. So that's why I
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a sport as well, in the likes of
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you know, because you can say
dancing is art, right? But when

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you do gymnastics, it becomes a
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difficulty. And that thing and
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not just the artistic event. So
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point, but let's get back to Dr.
Francis Cresswell Singh, and she

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further goes in on the role of
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Unknown: What we can say is that
we have an impact OSE culture

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under the power dynamics of
racism, white supremacy. See I

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can see right now in my mind the
picture of Beyonce with her legs

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wide open at the Super Bowl for
last year, it was so appalling

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to me, I can't get it out of my
mind in terms of what has been

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done to us the understand what
I'm saying. So we would be wiser

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No, we are trying to get
ourselves to the point where we

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can establish what we would then
call black culture, where we

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will no longer be victims of a
system of racism, white

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supremacy.

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Adam Curry: Do you think she
means white supremacy? As in

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what we've learned on mo facts?
White supremecy? Or is she

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talking about the modern day
version of white supremacy, she

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Moe Factz: she means that just
like nearly fuller means, and it

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misses the cool thing about her
Neely fuller. They were

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collaborators. She actually
helped him write his book, she

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inspired him to because he just
had a bunch of notes and

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manuscrit you know, like, just
tons and tons of ideas and

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analysis. And she's like, You
know what, you need to put these

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things in a book and they met
each other. Which for the

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producers out there, I think
that would be a hell of a movie.

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Adam Curry: But if I'm, if I
may, I take a little bit of not

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offense, but I take issue with.
Okay, so Beyonce is standing in

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the Super Bowl with her legs
wide. This is this. This is no

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different from white female
artists. They're doing the same

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thing. Now, it's not exclusive.
It's not the only way. No, and

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by the way, you don't see Alicia
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But I'm just saying you don't
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Moe Factz: Alicia Keys much at
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Adam Curry: I disagree. Alicia
Keys is very successful, very

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successful, financially
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Moe Factz: And that's the
crossover. Once she became

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successful. Like Dave Chappelle
said, they'll come in by you.

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Once they see okay, you you
artistic. Okay, and they've done

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this with the two sister Chloe,
and what's the other one was

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name, Callie Bailey and the
other one that played in on the

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Little Mermaid. Her name escapes
me. Oh, yeah, I

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Adam Curry: know who you mean.
Yeah. Right.

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Moe Factz: They came in both
from playing guitars and singing

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acoustic covers. But the one
sister with the Little Mermaid,

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they were like, okay, we can
actually see you being a big

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movie star. What do we do with
the other sister? Okay, let's

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make her urban. And this is
where the Irving thing comes in.

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You hear? It's not saying black
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urban culture. Yes, urban
culture is linked with horrors

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and ratchet and Bs and gangs and
all this negative stuff. But

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what they really mean when you
say urban is black. So of

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course, now we you transcend
that. You're not black anymore.

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Like Alicia Keys, she doesn't
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anymore. He's like Wayne Brady.
He was Wayne Brady black. But he

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was never targeted to a black
audience. And I'll call it the

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flow rod effect, right. I'm sure
you heard of flow riders before?

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wasn't targeted towards black

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people. Even though he was a
rapper and a black artist. It

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was targeted towards spring
break. college radio audience.

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Yeah. And this is how they do
this is how they divvy it up.

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And once you start transcending
into artistic ability, they come

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and get your kids in Lamar, J.
Cole. No Name all these

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different people. Once they are
you got a brain. So you think

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okay, we'll come and take your

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Adam Curry: show. Does this mean
that despite the allure of being

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completely financially
creatively, in an independent,

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independent of the record
business, that Beyonce and Jay Z

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are controlled,

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Moe Factz: they are control from
the artists of their status

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shouldn't still be touring. The
way they tour. They are very

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controlled. And this is the way
they do it. They give them big

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sums of money on the front end,
so we can show you on the back

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end. And that was the thing with
Beyonce somewhat of that now. I

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mean, since you brought it up,
when you find it very jarring to

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see Taylor Swift and lingerie
were her crushed, jammed into

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the camera.

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Adam Curry: Well, Taylor Swift
has been doing some pretty,

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pretty risky outfits, but yes, I
understand your point.

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Moe Factz: That's my point. And
what it did was be honest They

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set the tone for everybody under
her. Like this is where we're

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going with it. If the biggest
ORS are doing it and everybody's

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going to copycat what's under
that and that's the same thing

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with drug rap, trap rap, drill
rat whatever it is whatever the

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top people are doing it trickles
down because it becomes this is

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what the industry wants. This is
what they're promoting.

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Adam Curry: What little less I'm
Beyonce mo Buleleng for the

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getting they're getting a little
antsy about where we're going

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with this

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Moe Factz: the heart we want to
run from the Hi we are for sure.

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No, but so with that laid out we
can start looking at what can

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Adam Curry: I just say something
I love this these episodes I

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love this so much. I just want
to just need to say I love that

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you put this together this is
I'm enjoying every second of

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Moe Factz: I appreciate that and
like I said this is the bedrock

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so when you say Not you but when
the listener and the supporters

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and and the producers and the
facts families see Hip Hop they

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can understand what's going on
last episode was the power that

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energy is coming out that's what
people love that energy. What's

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the purpose The purpose is to
help our people why is Beyonce

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Jamie her crush it today camera
for financial gains to you know

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to help her people? I don't
fault her for that. I mean,

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what's better a person rapping
about selling drugs? actually

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selling drugs? Yeah. So we're
there's no fault there. Um,

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because the whole intent is to
help our people but the white

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soup supremecy says no, you
can't help your people on thing

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you can help them do is be
dumber. That's it? That's your

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only job make them dumber. And
rap has. I've lived rap. I've

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lived hip hop. I mean from I'm
probably the first generation

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that was solely Hip Hop being
born in 1980. I mean, I was I

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don't have any recollection of
nothing but hit rock. Right? And

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to see it go from where I was
introduced to it to now. It's a

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it's a it's a mockery. And it's
a what's the word? I'm looking

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for? farce? Mystery? No, it's a
mystery. With worse and worse.

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Adam Curry: That's good
minstrel. Okay.

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Moe Factz: That's what it is
when you take you know, the

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largest audience and put these
big old slave chains on him.

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Yeah. And they're dancing around
at the Superbowl doing the Crip

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Walk and talking about how many
black people are gonna killed

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and they're gonna kill on an
international stage. Are you

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kidding me? Yeah, I hear you.
Brought to you by Black men, so

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called black man named Jay Z.

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Adam Curry: I know you and I
have been talking about this

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ever since we first met. I mean,
we've always said this. It's

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incredible what's happening and
the fact that white audiences

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just take it on face value they
don't there's not even a thought

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about that anymore. If you know
if you say hey, you know that's

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actually kind of a modern day
minstrel you know that station

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you're listening to and the five
songs they keep repeating about

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black guys killing other black
guys. People don't even think

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about that anymore. The mindless
mindlessly sing along with

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mindlessly rap along they don't
it's not even conscious anymore.

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Moe Factz: It's to the point
where they'll say, are you

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really black? Yeah, that's
actually black. Like they don't

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question your blackness for
saying, You know what, that's

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not a good look for black people
to do that on an international

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stage. You will have non black
people questioning your

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blackness. Where are we going?
We're so I digress. Let's get

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back to clip number two. This is
the story of black popular

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music. And this is post Sam
Cooke. And the new figure that

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stepped into that void.

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Unknown: It's 1967 and the
mastermind behind the most

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successful black owned business
in history has achieved his

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dream. With a unique vision, the
creating the music that appealed

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equally to black and white. He
had created the sound of young

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America

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with a musical empire based in
the industrial city of Detroit,

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employed a group of artists
across the world

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the four times, the temptations,
the miracle, Martha and the

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Vandellas marry, well respected
and admired is the puppet master

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You know, he was the guy.

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He was pulling the strings.
unfair. He was a born leader. A

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man on a mission was King
rather. Emperor a King and His

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Majesty and all enrolled in one
and it magic and controlling. He

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shied away from publicity. He
knows how to use people to get

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to get the job done. This is the
story of how one man in the

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early 1960s had a vision for soy
music. He set up a small

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independent label cool Motown,
which would be the majors have

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00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:40,140
their own gangs?

438
00:30:44,579 --> 00:30:45,749
Adam Curry: Barry Gordy Jr.

439
00:30:46,349 --> 00:30:52,349
Moe Factz: Barry Gordy Jr. Yep.
Their original mogul? This is

440
00:30:52,349 --> 00:31:00,359
what P Diddy, Jay Z. All these
you know, so called moguls not

441
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:07,379
to take anything away from? This
was the guy. Yeah. And what he

442
00:31:07,379 --> 00:31:13,109
did was, he made a polished
version of black music that was

443
00:31:13,109 --> 00:31:21,989
palatable to white society. Yes.
And he's what I look up to him a

444
00:31:21,989 --> 00:31:29,009
lot, not his personality. But
the way he took a manufacturing

445
00:31:29,009 --> 00:31:35,369
approach of quality control of
you know, developing the artists

446
00:31:35,369 --> 00:31:43,739
the a&r side of it the look at
very smart individual. very

447
00:31:43,739 --> 00:31:48,119
enterprising. But as we do on
this show, we have to look at

448
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:49,139
the good and the bad

449
00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:51,390
Adam Curry: 363 60 view.

450
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,239
Moe Factz: And we have to
because it's that's where the

451
00:31:54,239 --> 00:32:00,929
manipulation of the image of a
person is used against it to for

452
00:32:00,929 --> 00:32:05,009
fear what Dr. Francis Cresswell
Singh was saying, anything you'd

453
00:32:05,009 --> 00:32:07,079
like to add before we get to
number three,

454
00:32:07,229 --> 00:32:12,599
Adam Curry: no other than I am a
big Motown fan. Always have been

455
00:32:12,629 --> 00:32:16,379
I grew up listening to Motown, I
grew up with the Jackson Five

456
00:32:16,379 --> 00:32:20,999
when I was on Sundays. When I
was in the States. I didn't move

457
00:32:20,999 --> 00:32:24,599
until I was seven. So I've
always been a big fan captured

458
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:29,219
me from early on. And, and we
love Mike, that's all I can say.

459
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:35,219
But of course, you know, all
these other I mean, the Motown

460
00:32:35,219 --> 00:32:38,639
hits is I probably have
somewhere in my collection. I

461
00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:42,059
probably have 20 Different
Motown biggest hits collections.

462
00:32:42,059 --> 00:32:46,529
I mean, just every single one of
those songs. Just all good all

463
00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:49,319
hits to this day, you can still
rerecord them and make them hit.

464
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:50,939
So just great, great songs.

465
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:55,470
Moe Factz: And I think the cool
thing about Motown was all of

466
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:58,770
this came from that
neighborhood, or that city of

467
00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:03,330
Detroit, for the most part. I
mean, you had the Jacksons

468
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:07,470
coming from Gary, but the early
artists, the Smokies, the

469
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:12,780
temptations, all that he set up
shop in Detroit, and just kind

470
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:18,930
of set out and said, Come in,
come, come here record. And you

471
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:23,580
could do this in any city,
Chicago, what Stax did down in I

472
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:28,380
think Memphis, New York, all
over the over the city. They

473
00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:31,920
this these hotbeds of talent
that people decide. Just go to

474
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,920
show you the blueprint, he said
out could have been reproduced,

475
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:37,650
but it wasn't. And we have to
ask the question why?

476
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,850
Unknown: Yes, well, number
three.

477
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,490
Even his strongest rivals in
Chicago, were left lagging

478
00:33:50,490 --> 00:33:52,650
behind Chicago and

479
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:57,720
Detroit were like gangsters. It
was like we didn't want to do

480
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,620
have nothing to do with Motown.
And they didn't want to have

481
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:02,430
nothing to do with that.

482
00:34:05,099 --> 00:34:09,179
By 1967, his empire was showing
the strain of the times.

483
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:20,729
With the Detroit riots, came an
end in the era of innocence.

484
00:34:23,939 --> 00:34:28,109
This is the story of Barry
Gordy, black music's greatest

485
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:32,069
Svengali and his creation,
Motown Records

486
00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:37,469
All right.

487
00:34:38,849 --> 00:34:46,979
Moe Factz: Pretty dramatic. So
that's the the dramatic layout

488
00:34:47,009 --> 00:34:51,329
of Barry Gordy. Now we have the
man in his own words. He's

489
00:34:51,329 --> 00:34:55,769
sitting down speaking with Oprah
and Oprah's master class, and he

490
00:34:55,769 --> 00:35:00,119
kind of tells you how it came
about and his mindset of

491
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:01,199
creating Motown,

492
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,980
Unknown: Jackie Wilson had
another hit. And another hit.

493
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,120
And I became further well known
as the writer for Jackie Wilson.

494
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,250
But I was not making any money,
I had to go into business for

495
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:16,620
myself, borrowed money from
family savings, which we had my

496
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:20,130
sister Esther had set up, and no
one could get any money from

497
00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:22,770
there. But I really wanted to
open up my own record company, I

498
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:25,470
wanted to do something, I had
all these hits on Jackie Wilson.

499
00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:27,600
And they say yes, what do you
got to show for it? I said,

500
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,140
that's the point. That's the
point. I asked for $1,000. They

501
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:34,770
only gave me 800. And so I could
start trying to go into business

502
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:38,730
for myself, you know, I found a
place on West Grand Boulevard,

503
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,780
that was a photo studio with two
big windows in front, which I

504
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:48,630
loved. And the garage, I made
into a recording studio record

505
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:54,330
studio, a Hitsville, USA was a
place where hits were going to

506
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:59,310
be made, only hits no flops, my
job was to get the hits. And so

507
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:03,990
we tried to create that assembly
line approach. And then with

508
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:07,710
them being a star in the music
had to go through this quality

509
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:10,170
control the same as in the
fascination Are you check this,

510
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:14,160
you check that and so forth? And
that seemed to work very well.

511
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:16,860
Adam Curry: All right, you rang
your bell?

512
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,610
Moe Factz: Yeah. That hits no
flops, and the quality control,

513
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,210
this is what got me because as
people know, and my former life,

514
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:32,580
I was a quality engineer. And
when you implement things that

515
00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:37,170
you learned your company into,
you know, your creative process.

516
00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:40,830
This is what come in nobody, I
think nobody really had thought

517
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:45,930
about it in this way before the
analytics behind it, of not

518
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,780
leaving it up to artists to make
their song or their look or

519
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:53,700
whatever. You always had a in
ours, but the he had an actual

520
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,330
flowchart. You know, it goes
here and me, okay, you wrote a

521
00:36:57,330 --> 00:37:00,210
great song, I let this person
sing it. And then they go and

522
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:03,270
listen to it. And they have Vlad
sit at his table. And there's a

523
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:08,550
great documentary that talks
about this. on Showtime, that

524
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:12,030
they were sitting around the
table, including himself. And

525
00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:18,150
even if he wrote the song, they
were critically you know, pick

526
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:23,400
this pick song apart. I don't
like this. The hook needs to

527
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:30,090
change. The bridge is great, but
the verse is weak, or the artist

528
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:32,700
is not great for that song. And
they will send it back to the

529
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,000
guy

530
00:37:33,029 --> 00:37:35,999
Adam Curry: that Well, I would
say that. So this is one thing

531
00:37:35,999 --> 00:37:39,869
that Barry Gordy had had, he's
still alive. I think that he has

532
00:37:39,929 --> 00:37:44,699
a Clive Davis Ahmed era goon,
that you even in the Netherlands

533
00:37:44,699 --> 00:37:49,409
Vilem from Kota. I mean, there
are what we call music men, and

534
00:37:49,409 --> 00:37:54,659
they hear these things. They
hear a hit. And they can indeed

535
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:57,989
they will hear a hit and say
yeah, but but Barry Manilow nice

536
00:37:57,989 --> 00:38:00,269
to say because that will be good
for him. Or what that's what

537
00:38:00,269 --> 00:38:04,769
Clive Davis would do. Clive
Davis. he orchestrated in the

538
00:38:04,769 --> 00:38:07,769
same manner, I would argue as
Barry Gordy Jr. Whitney

539
00:38:07,769 --> 00:38:15,269
Houston's career, and it but it
always starts with the song. And

540
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:19,739
in my opinion, once you have the
song, all the rest is marketing,

541
00:38:19,739 --> 00:38:24,839
packaging and repetition. Any
song that is good. You can mark

542
00:38:24,839 --> 00:38:28,799
it package and with repetition,
ie radio stations playing it

543
00:38:28,799 --> 00:38:30,749
over and over again, you will
turn it into a hit.

544
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:39,240
Moe Factz: That's where your
front of future goggles. Yeah,

545
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:43,110
we're getting there. You're a
long way. All right, you're spot

546
00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:46,800
on. But we're gonna get to.
Yeah, not another hour, maybe

547
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,000
another 10 minutes. All right.
What's your spot on? So let's

548
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,240
get let's go ahead and listen to
edge. And one more thing I'm

549
00:38:54,240 --> 00:39:00,720
gonna lay up. Barry Gordy came
from a good successful family.

550
00:39:01,770 --> 00:39:04,650
As you heard, he went to his
family. They had a base of

551
00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:09,810
Family Bank and wanted to borrow
$1,000 from his family. And his

552
00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:14,520
family's like, oh, we only
believe in you. 80% 100

553
00:39:14,970 --> 00:39:18,690
Adam Curry: isn't? Isn't he half
white? It isn't. Barry Gordy had

554
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:19,980
white ancestry in him.

555
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,820
Moe Factz: He does. I think him
and Jimmy Carter. Oh, really?

556
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:26,130
Adam Curry: Our family

557
00:39:26,129 --> 00:39:29,009
Moe Factz: members, if I'm not
mistaken. And there's a good

558
00:39:29,009 --> 00:39:32,849
video on YouTube is more of a
graphical thing. You could

559
00:39:32,849 --> 00:39:39,989
actually look up his lineage. I
think he's tied in with. With

560
00:39:39,989 --> 00:39:42,869
the Carter family. Genetically.

561
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,940
Adam Curry: Yeah, I see. From
his great grandfather, James

562
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:51,180
Thomas Gordy who owned a black
female slave named Esther

563
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:55,500
Johnson, according to Wikipedia,
so take it for what it is. All

564
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,330
right. Yeah. Interesting.
There's a

565
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:59,340
Moe Factz: more elaborate one on
YouTube if you want to look at

566
00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:03,660
his genealogy You and but yeah,
bass. He went to his sisters

567
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:08,940
were. And it's funny they always
we need representation for women

568
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,350
in the industry. He had his
sisters working with him hand in

569
00:40:13,350 --> 00:40:18,510
hand. Yeah. And another unsung
mind. I mean, you can't say he's

570
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:25,530
unsung as far as success but the
air and knowledge of what makes

571
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:28,980
it hit with Smokey Robinson,
that was his best friend. Yeah.

572
00:40:29,850 --> 00:40:33,240
Everybody looks at Smokey like
a, you know, the pretty boy

573
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:38,010
singer. But no, he knew what
what it took to make a hit. And

574
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:41,160
he wrote wrote a lot of the hits
for Motown as well, even if he

575
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,090
didn't sing it. So I'm gonna
give him credit where credit's

576
00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:48,030
due. But let's go ahead and
listen more of the process as he

577
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:49,320
lays out in the master class.

578
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:52,349
Unknown: And we had the artists
development which my sister's

579
00:40:52,379 --> 00:40:56,069
set up because they were models,
and they wanted the people to

580
00:40:56,069 --> 00:41:00,449
look good. And so they brought
in this woman Maxine power. And

581
00:41:00,449 --> 00:41:03,899
she set up this finishing school
for them, which had been unheard

582
00:41:03,899 --> 00:41:08,489
of. We had a guy from the Paulo
shot Charlie Atkins, who came in

583
00:41:08,489 --> 00:41:12,719
to be the choreographer. And we
had other people Maurice King,

584
00:41:12,749 --> 00:41:16,949
that was at the flame show bar,
when I saw Jackie Wilson, he

585
00:41:16,949 --> 00:41:20,729
came in to do the Muse comedy
and stuff with the temptations

586
00:41:20,729 --> 00:41:24,389
and all these people. And we
just had this family of people

587
00:41:24,389 --> 00:41:30,149
coming in all purposeful, and
all a part of this. So I had a

588
00:41:30,149 --> 00:41:36,089
relationship with every artist,
every producer, every writer,

589
00:41:36,179 --> 00:41:39,509
you know, I knew them. And I
talked to them, and I would

590
00:41:39,509 --> 00:41:43,769
critique their songs to enough,
you know, we made hits, I mean,

591
00:41:43,769 --> 00:41:46,619
they felt they felt like they
were coming into a magical

592
00:41:46,619 --> 00:41:52,559
place. And it did turn out to be
magical. People would come to me

593
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,459
to audition for me or to sing
for me as something. The voice

594
00:41:56,459 --> 00:42:00,059
was one factor, the quality of
the voice, their showmanship and

595
00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,839
all that, and really who they
were, as people was much more

596
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:07,469
important to me. And there were
many people that had phenomenal

597
00:42:07,469 --> 00:42:10,649
voices, and were great things,
but they weren't right. For

598
00:42:10,649 --> 00:42:16,829
Motown. They weren't right folk
for our family. You know. And so

599
00:42:16,829 --> 00:42:20,159
those people that came in that
were right for the family, you

600
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,879
know, who maybe had great, great
voices but weren't polished or

601
00:42:23,879 --> 00:42:28,409
weren't this one fat, you know,
we knew that we will win, we

602
00:42:28,439 --> 00:42:29,399
win. And we did.

603
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:37,680
Moe Factz: And the key word
there is polished. Yeah. That's

604
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:47,010
was his, his real superpower.
The way he created this finished

605
00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:53,190
Polish package, that, as you
said, yourself became the sound

606
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:56,520
of young America. It looked
good. It translated to

607
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,360
television, which people have to
understand television was a new,

608
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:06,270
newer invention wasn't exactly
new. But to know what looks good

609
00:43:06,270 --> 00:43:11,040
on television, to understand
that we only have a certain

610
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
amount of space in the stage. We
had to have a lot of movement,

611
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,350
but stay in frame. All of this
took a lot of genius. And I

612
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:23,220
don't think that Barry Gordy
gets his flowers. But I think

613
00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:26,010
Barry Gordy was one of the first
people to get with the hit with

614
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:30,420
the castle cannon to let's be
clear on that. Oh, really? Oh,

615
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:36,750
yeah, we're gonna get to that.
But he didn't do it alone. He

616
00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:40,860
had help. And in this next clip,
we're going to figure out who

617
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:44,640
helped him to get in the doors.
He couldn't quite get into

618
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:45,660
because he was black.

619
00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:51,390
Unknown: In the 50s. An article
broke in Billboard concerning a

620
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:57,360
young man called Barry Gordy who
I'd created on the strength of a

621
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:06,030
private family loan. A tiny
little label called Tamra Tamra,

622
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:14,040
in turn rapidly became Motown.
And then finally, Gordy. The

623
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:20,910
three together became a
powerhouse in American r&b. And

624
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:25,980
he was spearheaded by two
people, Barry, and a wonderful

625
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:29,970
character called Barney Ailes,
who must have been the only

626
00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:34,470
white employee in the entire
organization. But they needed

627
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:38,490
that because in the 50s, they
couldn't sell their product

628
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,990
simply because of their color.
This was a different era. This

629
00:44:42,990 --> 00:44:45,930
was a different period. How are
they going to crack a market

630
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:49,860
even with the best music in the
biz, without having somebody

631
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:54,870
guide them? Barney ales, who's
still very much with us, as he's

632
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:59,970
Barry Gordy has come up with a
book recording the extraor

633
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,750
ordinary history of this magical
musical label. And it is called

634
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:13,350
simply Motown. The sound of
young America.

635
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:16,740
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's coming
back to me because I remember it

636
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:19,740
used to be Tamla Motown for just
a little bit people called

637
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:24,210
Tamla, Motown and the Ailes
character who, I think he's dead

638
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:31,590
now. He he was the marketing
guy. The marketing guys and he

639
00:45:31,590 --> 00:45:34,020
opened the doors. Okay, I may be
wrong.

640
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,350
Moe Factz: No, no, no, you're
right. He had multiple roles

641
00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:43,320
that she say that, um, he was
not a talent appearing man. If

642
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,490
you go look at his younger
pitchers, and not to stereotype,

643
00:45:47,490 --> 00:45:51,420
but he looked like a mob boss.
He had this leave. He was

644
00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:55,080
Adam Curry: he was the son of
Sicilian born Barber, Sylvester.

645
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,050
Oh, ales. Okay. He's from
Sicily. Well, of course, he of

646
00:45:58,050 --> 00:46:00,570
course, is possible mob ties
there.

647
00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:03,930
Moe Factz: And he had the
slicked back hair with this one

648
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:11,700
streak of gray hair. Um, and in
other documentaries I watched on

649
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:15,810
the subject, they kind of leaned
into the eve if they say he

650
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:20,280
wasn't a mob boss, right, or a
mob figure, which was highly

651
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,110
likely at the time, because mob
and music went together hand in

652
00:46:25,110 --> 00:46:28,590
hand, because of where the music
was played the nightclubs and

653
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:33,210
this kind of thing, you know, it
kind of goes hand in hand. And

654
00:46:33,210 --> 00:46:37,020
what they leaned into this
imagery to put the pressure on

655
00:46:37,410 --> 00:46:40,350
DJs and radio stations, right,
right.

656
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:44,040
Adam Curry: Yeah, he he was to
connect he was to connect with

657
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,630
the DJs. That's what it was

658
00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:50,760
Moe Factz: a Yeah. So I have
this. This is why I said you're

659
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,270
from the future. Now we've got
the repetition in the machine

660
00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:58,620
that goes behind the hit record.
This is a recording that he

661
00:46:58,830 --> 00:47:03,300
Barney Ailes actually cut, and
sent out to distributors,

662
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:06,540
because of a hit record that he
didn't feel like it was being

663
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:11,940
pushed appropriately. And, yeah,
so this is an actual 45 that

664
00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:15,270
they received. And they owned
the tie on the label, it said

665
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:19,410
play immediate, like it doesn't
entitle. Now you tell me if you

666
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:24,000
sound and like I'm not being
stereotypical. But we have to

667
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,660
take things in context. Because
these are doors that Barry Gordy

668
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:31,410
himself can open that were
opened by Barney Ailes. It's the

669
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:34,110
two parts of the clip, let's go
and get to the first part. And

670
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:36,120
you can stop whenever you want
to, because it's, it's chock

671
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,100
full. And this is him talking to
his distributors, and applying

672
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:42,540
what could be seen as pressure.

673
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Unknown: Hi, I just got back
from a business trip to Europe.

674
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:50,910
Adam Curry: A is really I got
from a business trip.

675
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:54,600
Unknown: And as you can imagine,
my desk is piled high with

676
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,350
important items to be taken care
of. However, something so

677
00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:01,800
important is come up that I
stopped everything in order to

678
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,760
personally discuss the situation
with you. And instead of a phone

679
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,050
call, I thought I'd cut my first
record. There'll be no 200 on

680
00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:14,250
1000 for no guarantee
whatsoever. important subject

681
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:15,270
I'm talking women,

682
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,360
Adam Curry: no 200 and 1000.
What would that sound is that

683
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,830
sounded weird. Let me listen to
it again.

684
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:23,040
Unknown: And instead of a phone
call, I thought I'd cook my

685
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,330
first record. There'll be no 200
and 1000 or no guarantee

686
00:48:27,330 --> 00:48:28,110
whatsoever.

687
00:48:29,219 --> 00:48:31,769
Adam Curry: That's distributor
speak for money. Yeah, I

688
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:33,660
Moe Factz: think that's 20%.
There. 20%.

689
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:36,300
Adam Curry: Yes. 20% of 1000.
Right.

690
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:39,060
Moe Factz: Yeah, no, 2000 no
guarantees.

691
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,680
Unknown: important subject I'm
talking about? Is Diana Ross's

692
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,180
first single release, reach out
and touch somebody's hand. We

693
00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:52,110
have a number one record with
Diana, the fact say so we're

694
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:56,400
already over 600,000 records.
The reorder pattern is healthy,

695
00:48:56,700 --> 00:49:00,450
and the AirPlay is strong.
Everything about the record is

696
00:49:00,450 --> 00:49:05,010
positive, and gives off good
vibrations to everything that is

697
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:09,210
except one area. That's your
area. Chart physicians with the

698
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:13,980
trade papers, Billboard Cashbox,
and record world once again,

699
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:17,310
reach out, in fact, somebody's
saying as a number one record,

700
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:22,350
and talking with the people who
make up the charts, they say

701
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:25,620
they're aware of its potential,
but they're not getting equally

702
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:29,880
strong reports from the field.
The problem is that you're all

703
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,690
taking the record for granted.
We've guaranteed this record to

704
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:37,710
you. And we also know you're all
pros, otherwise you wouldn't be

705
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:41,070
our distributors. So I don't
believe I have to tell you,

706
00:49:41,310 --> 00:49:43,500
there's more at stake than just
a hit record.

707
00:49:44,699 --> 00:49:47,789
Adam Curry: Your career your
life is at stake. Well, this is

708
00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:51,689
interesting, because it's
actually very interesting by

709
00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:56,759
today's standards, because the
charts were incredibly

710
00:49:56,759 --> 00:49:59,969
important. They're a little less
important and also there's been

711
00:49:59,999 --> 00:50:03,449
A change of hands for billboard.
And there's a lot of shenanigans

712
00:50:03,479 --> 00:50:08,669
these days very actual. But the
charts were made up of radio

713
00:50:08,669 --> 00:50:12,539
airplay sales and something
called calls from the field.

714
00:50:13,439 --> 00:50:14,459
Okay, and the call.

715
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:20,249
Moe Factz: Yeah, this is what I
was excited about to hear God

716
00:50:20,249 --> 00:50:23,399
knew you knew the inside work
and continue on. Yeah. So you

717
00:50:23,399 --> 00:50:24,419
put your calls from

718
00:50:24,419 --> 00:50:29,489
Adam Curry: the field is
literally that I think they they

719
00:50:29,489 --> 00:50:32,009
probably compile the trades that
Tuesday, for some reason has

720
00:50:32,009 --> 00:50:36,779
been the day when the charts are
compiled. And and so the chart

721
00:50:36,839 --> 00:50:39,299
companies, let's just say
billboard to make it easy, but

722
00:50:39,299 --> 00:50:42,989
it's the same, the same basic
concept around the globe, any

723
00:50:42,989 --> 00:50:46,859
chart, the calls from the field
is what the retailers are

724
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:51,299
saying. So it's not just sales,
but it's what the retailers are,

725
00:50:51,329 --> 00:50:56,669
what they're sensing. And these
guys could be influenced. And

726
00:50:56,669 --> 00:50:59,489
that was always kind of the you
know, the wink wink, nudge

727
00:50:59,489 --> 00:51:03,239
nudge, hey, it's getting a lot
of calls from the field. Okay,

728
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,829
what does that mean? Well, it
means you went in there, you

729
00:51:04,829 --> 00:51:08,459
held a gun to the guy's head and
said, This is a call from the

730
00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:14,189
field son. Now not on the
record. Yeah. So So yeah, that

731
00:51:14,189 --> 00:51:18,389
was it was a very important
signal for the chart makers.

732
00:51:18,509 --> 00:51:20,909
What are the calls from the
field? And that gave them the,

733
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,419
like boots on the ground? What
boots on the ground, say

734
00:51:24,509 --> 00:51:27,989
something's going on with this
record? Whether and whether it's

735
00:51:27,989 --> 00:51:31,439
sales or not pure sales figures,
there was the calls from the

736
00:51:31,439 --> 00:51:31,769
field.

737
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:37,110
Moe Factz: Maybe people come in,
and I kind of understand the

738
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:42,960
premise, because of the small
mom and pop radio. record shops.

739
00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:47,670
Yeah, we used to have one called
wheelies. And you would go in

740
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:51,060
there ask do you have this? Do
you have that? Right? They will

741
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:57,450
actually push records on you by
how you heard that news? Yep. So

742
00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:01,830
I have a vision of how it works
from the distributor to the

743
00:52:01,830 --> 00:52:06,540
customer. It was fascinating
hearing the label to the

744
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:10,470
distributor conversation that's
being having this record is like

745
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:13,260
there's more at stake than just
the hit record.

746
00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:15,720
Adam Curry: Your life.

747
00:52:17,489 --> 00:52:20,609
Moe Factz: kneecap maybe who
knows maybe a couple of failure.

748
00:52:20,729 --> 00:52:23,999
And I know I'm being hyper
stereotypical, but really, not

749
00:52:23,999 --> 00:52:27,779
really. The reason why I'm doing
is because mo Tao and Barry

750
00:52:27,779 --> 00:52:32,519
Gordy leaned into the imagery.
Let's just say he wasn't mobbed

751
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:37,079
up. Right. They lean into the
imagery of him being mobbed up.

752
00:52:37,169 --> 00:52:42,809
He sounds the part of you here
on this record. But let's hear

753
00:52:42,809 --> 00:52:45,779
what was mostly stayed here more
than just a hit record. You want

754
00:52:45,779 --> 00:52:46,109
to hear it?

755
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:48,630
Adam Curry: Yeah, let me guess
that's the second part of this

756
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:50,490
important message play
immediately.

757
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:53,850
Unknown: There's more at stake
than just a hit record. We're

758
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:57,210
talking about establishing an
artist in such stature, that the

759
00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:01,260
sales on future singles and
albums will surpass even the

760
00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:06,090
fantastic records set by Diana
and the Supremes in the past. In

761
00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:09,930
fact, her new album featuring
reach out is already set for

762
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:15,420
release. I think you get the
message anyway, I hope and one

763
00:53:15,420 --> 00:53:18,840
action. I want you to get with
your sales manager, your

764
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,410
salesman in your record
promotion man, the Meili

765
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:25,740
developer program to make sure
that the trades get strong

766
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:29,430
reports on reach out and touch
somebody's hand. Then make sure

767
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:32,220
that someone from your
organization gets to Gordon

768
00:53:32,220 --> 00:53:35,730
prints before the week is out
with a report on what your staff

769
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,600
did to ensure the number one
position of this record. We're

770
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,990
not going to let up on you. So
Diane's record is number one and

771
00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:48,360
all the trade sharks. I also
would like to take this time to

772
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,410
thank you brah number one
records in the past. And this

773
00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:56,850
comes from all the Motown staff.
When I see you later this year,

774
00:53:57,330 --> 00:54:01,080
I also would like to be able to
reach out and shake your hand to

775
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,490
thank you for making reach out
and touch somebody saying number

776
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:05,820
one.

777
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:14,280
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's good.
That's promotion. That's record

778
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,180
promotion, baby.

779
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:19,080
Moe Factz: A lot of innuendo in
there too. When I see you later

780
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,980
this year. I'll like to reach
out and touch your hand, you

781
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:23,340
know,

782
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:25,500
Adam Curry: break your kneecaps,
but you know,

783
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,300
Moe Factz: came shake, you know,
we're doing a great job. Not

784
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:36,690
20,000 though. So these are the
figures and this was necessary

785
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:40,980
because Barry Gordy couldn't go
into those, those rooms and this

786
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:48,780
is where the systemic racism
played a part in shaping what

787
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:51,480
were you know, it gives if you
can pick what you play what you

788
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:58,140
don't play. You can easily set
the imagery for a whole group of

789
00:54:58,140 --> 00:54:58,590
people

790
00:55:00,870 --> 00:55:02,790
Unknown: All right, yeah,
absolutely. Okay.

791
00:55:02,969 --> 00:55:06,389
Adam Curry: No. So I'm with you.
I'm enthralled. I'm excited to

792
00:55:06,389 --> 00:55:07,409
move forward.

793
00:55:07,830 --> 00:55:10,290
Moe Factz: Now we're fast
forwarding to 99. Because we you

794
00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:14,070
have to ask the question, Where
is Barry Gordy he's still alive.

795
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:22,170
Why is he not lauded as this? No
godfather of black music as he

796
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:25,950
should be for what he was able
to accomplish. Some people said

797
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:29,610
that he was seen as a sellout
because he didn't want to put

798
00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:34,650
out the more controversial music
like Marvin Gaye, what's going

799
00:55:34,650 --> 00:55:40,680
on? In the movie, talked to me
about PT, green, PT green had

800
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:48,180
some choice words. And honestly,
just doing my research, there

801
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:56,820
was this idea that he was
presenting blackness that was

802
00:55:56,820 --> 00:55:57,810
white friendly.

803
00:55:58,710 --> 00:56:02,370
Adam Curry: Hmm. So no, so I
mean, I think Barry Gordy. I

804
00:56:02,370 --> 00:56:07,410
mean, he has certainly been he's
gotten accolades, but you know,

805
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:12,360
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I
mean, so maybe not from BT. Is

806
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,230
that what you're saying?

807
00:56:14,009 --> 00:56:16,019
Moe Factz: This is what we were
talking about before you can

808
00:56:16,019 --> 00:56:20,009
become so successful, that
you're successful in certain

809
00:56:20,009 --> 00:56:26,069
circles, but but not amongst
your people. Right? How is why

810
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:28,949
don't we know? And I was
thinking maybe he's old and

811
00:56:28,949 --> 00:56:32,009
maybe lost the step. That's why
we don't hear from him. But when

812
00:56:32,009 --> 00:56:36,299
I saw the documentary on
Showtime, I was like, He's sharp

813
00:56:36,299 --> 00:56:41,039
as a whip. Wow. Are we not here
for him? Well, enter this

814
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:49,709
Geraldo show for 1990. It's
called the ladies of Motown. And

815
00:56:49,709 --> 00:56:52,709
forgive me, I didn't get the
lady's name who's speaking? I

816
00:56:52,709 --> 00:56:56,969
feel bad. Um, but she's gonna
make some allegation. And this

817
00:56:56,969 --> 00:57:00,569
is why I said that. I think
Barry Gordy got hit with the

818
00:57:00,569 --> 00:57:05,039
council cannon. way early.
Because one, we know the thing

819
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:09,029
between him and Donna Ross, how
that played out. They kind of

820
00:57:09,179 --> 00:57:15,689
laid it out and show girls. Oh,
yeah. Right. So this is but this

821
00:57:15,689 --> 00:57:20,729
predates showgirls, listen to
the allegations. Also, listen to

822
00:57:20,729 --> 00:57:26,219
Geraldo, not wanting to see
Messi, but he he wants to be

823
00:57:26,219 --> 00:57:27,659
messy. Number nine.

824
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:30,690
Unknown: So is it safe to say
that now these many years later,

825
00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:33,750
with Motown, having become a
multinational multibillion

826
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,630
dollar corporation, that you are
very comfortably well off?

827
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:42,780
I have absolutely nothing. Which
is really sad. This is why I one

828
00:57:42,780 --> 00:57:45,630
of the reasons that I wrote the
book because I wanted to

829
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:50,430
historically, document my
contributions to Motown. And

830
00:57:50,430 --> 00:57:54,090
also to, you know, give the
world a real inside look at how

831
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:57,270
Motown actually happened, you
know, and I'm so ecstatic to

832
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:59,790
have some of the ladies here
that were actually with me there

833
00:57:59,790 --> 00:58:04,230
in the very beginning of Motown.
Unfortunately, when Barry sold

834
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:08,010
the company for $61 million, he
got the money, and I got a

835
00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:10,380
plaque thanking me for my
contribution.

836
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:13,200
Is it a nice plaque though? It's
gorgeous.

837
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,660
It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous.

838
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,330
I don't want to get too much
into the gossip angle of it. But

839
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:24,180
you do write something that was
quite extraordinary to me when

840
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:27,120
you claim that at one time,
Barry, aside from all his other

841
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,320
jobs was a pimp there in the
Detroit area is that factually

842
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,270
correct or figuratively?

843
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:36,960
No, it's true. You know, when?
When I met him, of course, he

844
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,020
had been a boxer and he worked
at the Ford Motor Company, but

845
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:44,130
he did have his little side job.
You know, he was a pimp

846
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:49,980
Adam Curry: was not his ex wife.
Who didn't she write a book

847
00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:50,310
about?

848
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:55,740
Moe Factz: It could be I said,
I'm terrible that I didn't get

849
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:59,250
her name. I'm looking on YouTube
now to see if I can get her name

850
00:58:59,250 --> 00:59:00,960
Ramona, Ramona.

851
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,510
Let me let me look that up. But
had you were looking at had you

852
00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:10,020
heard this before? I had heard
rumblings of this

853
00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:15,990
Adam Curry: about him being a
pimp. Well, I did she say that

854
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:20,700
in the kind of like, it depends
on how she means it like

855
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:21,690
literally a pimp.

856
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,380
Moe Factz: Literally a pimp.

857
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:28,680
Adam Curry: No, no, I had not
heard this.

858
00:59:29,219 --> 00:59:32,099
Moe Factz: Now I've heard like I
said, just in this is not

859
00:59:32,099 --> 00:59:37,739
something that I heard in the
wild, is that I heard it doing

860
00:59:37,739 --> 00:59:43,739
this, um, the research that the
Gordy family had some

861
00:59:43,739 --> 00:59:50,519
connections you know, kind of
thing going and people from

862
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,149
Detroit was like, oh, yeah, that
I know, that are from Detroit

863
00:59:54,149 --> 00:59:56,819
that I know personally. Oh,
yeah, that's that's our well

864
00:59:56,819 --> 00:59:57,509
known.

865
00:59:58,110 --> 01:00:01,440
Adam Curry: I think I did not
know this. Yes.

866
01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:05,550
Moe Factz: So what I'm saying is
I'm not doing this to drag Barry

867
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:11,220
Gordy through the mud. I'm
saying they use the show and

868
01:00:11,250 --> 01:00:17,130
showgirls, to kind of cancel him
to marginalize him. Because you

869
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:21,840
heard Harada say I don't really
want to get into the to the

870
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,880
murder but tell me how Barry was
a pill.

871
01:00:23,969 --> 01:00:27,119
Adam Curry: Here we go. It's
bury me and Motown the untold

872
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:33,209
untold story 1990 Ramona
singleton that was that was

873
01:00:33,209 --> 01:00:37,199
that's bitterly accused of this
from New York Times. Bewdley

874
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,899
accused former husband whom she
called the thief of dreams of

875
01:00:39,899 --> 01:00:42,929
denying her credit for helping
to found the label persuading

876
01:00:42,929 --> 01:00:45,779
her to remove her name from
company legal papers, leaving

877
01:00:45,779 --> 01:00:48,449
her with no financial stake
after the Motown label sold an

878
01:00:48,449 --> 01:00:52,259
88 for 61 million. She only
received a plaque. There you go.

879
01:00:52,289 --> 01:00:52,529
So

880
01:00:53,069 --> 01:00:54,269
Unknown: that's Yes, sir.

881
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:56,880
Moe Factz: I think it's rain
Noma.

882
01:00:57,509 --> 01:00:59,699
Adam Curry: Rain. Oh, my You're
right. I'm sorry. Right. Yeah,

883
01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:00,659
yeah. Okay.

884
01:01:01,290 --> 01:01:06,960
Moe Factz: What? Yeah. This was
on television. In the mind. It's

885
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,820
amazing what used to be on
television.

886
01:01:08,850 --> 01:01:12,720
Adam Curry: Yeah. Good times.
Good stuff.

887
01:01:13,469 --> 01:01:17,669
Moe Factz: But you want to
continue to hear Geraldo. Now

888
01:01:17,669 --> 01:01:23,999
listen, I want people to hear
we're not muck raking or, or,

889
01:01:24,149 --> 01:01:27,869
you know, getting into what they
call a tea. I'm showing you how

890
01:01:27,869 --> 01:01:33,719
they discredit this person with
all this, it says on national TV

891
01:01:33,749 --> 01:01:38,969
by using a disgruntled spouse
and employee to kind of tear him

892
01:01:38,969 --> 01:01:44,669
down and Geraldo kind of plays.
And I know, I have a

893
01:01:45,059 --> 01:01:46,889
journalistic responsibility

894
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,590
Adam Curry: as well. I mean, she
had a book out. So when you have

895
01:01:49,590 --> 01:01:52,530
a book out, you know, you go and
promote it. And so it's

896
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:55,530
salacious. You know, I haven't
read the book. But you know, I

897
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:59,550
guess she had some, you know, it
was canceled cannon. You know,

898
01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:02,430
it's exactly what you said she
was, hey, he screwed me. He

899
01:02:02,430 --> 01:02:06,270
divorced me. I signed Stevie
Wonder I helped build Motown. I

900
01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:09,630
got nothing. I mean, it's the
typical scorned woman story. So

901
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,530
yeah, I mean, she wrote the book
it got published. That's always

902
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:17,700
you know, who published it? And
which, that's actually

903
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:20,880
interesting question because
book publishers are often

904
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:28,500
connected to music publishers.
I'll have to

905
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:31,710
Moe Factz: show now he has all
his money in it where he is

906
01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:35,430
reputation is getting torn to
shreds. So let's continue on

907
01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:43,500
now. Producers facts family,
Adam. Listen, listen to the

908
01:02:43,530 --> 01:02:47,700
salami tactic did Geraldo duck
because he, I don't really want

909
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:50,430
to do this. But I got to do
this. Now. Listen, please.

910
01:02:50,580 --> 01:02:54,600
Unknown: But did you see it as
your wifely duty to participate

911
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,400
in that aspect of your husband's
business?

912
01:02:56,430 --> 01:02:59,340
No, I didn't participate in that
that aspect. But on one

913
01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:04,770
occasions, I did try a little
something to see what it was all

914
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:09,480
about to check out where he was
coming from, because I really

915
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,750
love this man. And he was my all
in all and anything that he was

916
01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:16,170
involved in, I wanted to, you
know, check it out to see what

917
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:17,250
it was about? Well, you're

918
01:03:17,250 --> 01:03:20,250
gonna have to give us at least
two more sentences. Like what?

919
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:21,900
Like, what do you mean, check it
out?

920
01:03:22,410 --> 01:03:27,180
Well, on one occasion, we didn't
have any money at all. Nothing.

921
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:29,940
I mean, we didn't have money to
you know, we had children, so on

922
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:32,880
so forth. So there was this
woman that lived across the hall

923
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,180
from me that was a prostitute
named Roberta and she had this

924
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:38,940
guy coming in. And she had been
trying to get me to come over

925
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:41,640
there. And of course, I didn't
want to but on one occasion I

926
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,570
did. I went there. And she had
this guy, and she kind of pushed

927
01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:48,720
me into the room. I was totally
nauseated and sick to do this.

928
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:53,700
But anyway, after I went in the
room, I did.

929
01:03:59,790 --> 01:04:02,040
There's a footnote in the
history of Motown, you didn't

930
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,050
know. Well, okay.

931
01:04:04,350 --> 01:04:07,710
But but but I got quite a bit of
money for it.

932
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:12,210
More than you got from Motown
when he sold the company for 61

933
01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:12,450
million.

934
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:17,099
I got $17. But did you get a
plaque?

935
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:24,090
Adam Curry: Well, the thing is
people do. More than a plaque

936
01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:26,010
for that if that's how she
helped fund to finance the

937
01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:26,640
company.

938
01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:31,680
Moe Factz: And this is the short
sightedness of Barry Gordy. And

939
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,280
people like him. I want to I
want to because this goes back

940
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:41,100
to the Beyond saying that is the
thing what Neely fuller says he

941
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:45,120
said in the system of white
supremacy. Black people only

942
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:51,240
have three functions that are
allowed. tacky, trashy and

943
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,420
terroristic and they scale up
from there you know, saying it

944
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:58,050
starts off tacky like this
conversation did between her

945
01:04:58,050 --> 01:05:05,040
Geraldo manages went straight
into trashy, you know of how

946
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,490
much did you get? Did you get a
plaque, that kind of thing. And

947
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:11,160
this the shortsightedness of a
person like Barry Gordy, I will

948
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,940
say to him, Have you ever heard
Donald Trump's ex wives say

949
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:16,140
anything bad about him?

950
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,150
Adam Curry: No, never only good
things, actually.

951
01:05:19,439 --> 01:05:21,779
Unknown: You know why? Because
he

952
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:23,850
Adam Curry: probably hooked him
up, he sat down, he set him up

953
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:24,420
for life.

954
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:26,939
Moe Factz: Now, of course,
that's what you're exposed to.

955
01:05:27,630 --> 01:05:29,040
Adam Curry: Stupid, exactly

956
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,290
Moe Factz: what they are for
these smart people that, you

957
01:05:34,290 --> 01:05:38,970
know, these women have damning
information that can come out

958
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:42,960
against you. And this is your
former wife. So it is yeah,

959
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:49,290
there's no, there's dual motive
here. You know, a person I spent

960
01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:53,130
life with. I want to make sure
you're set up because you being

961
01:05:53,130 --> 01:05:59,310
set out and properly looks good
on me. Yes, but you're not on

962
01:05:59,310 --> 01:06:04,740
television. You know, selling
our secrets to book publishers,

963
01:06:04,770 --> 01:06:10,770
you know, to, I believe, for her
to eat. I honestly believe that,

964
01:06:10,770 --> 01:06:14,430
you know, she had to write this
book to eat. This is what I'm

965
01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:17,070
talking about. And this goes
back to the Beyonce. I don't

966
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:21,660
want to harp on Beyonce, but the
things that we do for money

967
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:27,960
that's how you shouldn't have a
legend on television. Talking

968
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:33,180
about she slept the prostitution
for $17 You have to keep up at

969
01:06:33,180 --> 01:06:35,970
you know the thing called
Keeping errs. Yes. She's

970
01:06:35,970 --> 01:06:40,320
supposed to come on his show
dignified. And talk about how

971
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,100
she helped Barry and how Barry
helped her. And you know, you

972
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:48,060
circled the wagons, but no, no,
no, no, no, not in this system.

973
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:54,270
You got to be tacky, trashy or
terroristic. And that's it. And

974
01:06:54,270 --> 01:06:55,740
that pretty much wraps. So Hip
Hop in.

975
01:06:56,850 --> 01:06:57,900
Adam Curry: End of show
everybody.

976
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:01,020
Moe Factz: Actually thank you
for coming out. God bless you.

977
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:01,380
Good night.

978
01:07:01,410 --> 01:07:05,610
Adam Curry: Just Just to follow
that up in 94. So four years

979
01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:13,710
later, she reconciled with
Gordy. In his 94 memoir, to be

980
01:07:13,710 --> 01:07:18,420
loved the music, the magic, the
memories of Motown. He did

981
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:20,670
dispute some of the claims in
her book, but apparently they

982
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:24,000
had reconciled so he must have
said, Hey, I'm gonna set some

983
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,710
stuff straight. Also, did you
know that she was the producer

984
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:32,610
of Rockwell? Somebody did not
know that. Yeah, somebody's

985
01:07:32,610 --> 01:07:32,970
watching

986
01:07:32,969 --> 01:07:36,389
Moe Factz: me. But I didn't know
that was Barry's Great.

987
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,330
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's it.
Yes. Ken Kennedy Gordy. Yeah.

988
01:07:40,050 --> 01:07:43,440
Moe Factz: No, no, what was that
his son and then those guys that

989
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,760
did that wild trap music with
the wild hair? I think those are

990
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,730
his grandson. I don't know. I
don't know what little Johnny mo

991
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:54,780
the two biracial guys that were
with Louie John, they did that

992
01:07:54,780 --> 01:08:00,840
that party song going off the
pan. But I'm just saying Yeah. I

993
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,920
don't know that Rockwell was
tied with Motown in a familiar

994
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:10,500
you know, familial relationship.
So yeah, this is a bad look.

995
01:08:10,590 --> 01:08:11,730
They said a bad little got

996
01:08:11,730 --> 01:08:12,630
Adam Curry: a good look for
sure.

997
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:17,340
Moe Factz: In and this is how
the system works. Like you said,

998
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:20,040
let's leverage this leverage
something against Barry to get

999
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,970
him out of the picture while
we're wet. 1990 they had black

1000
01:08:23,970 --> 01:08:28,080
music and in a chokehold by then
yeah, but this is how they set

1001
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,700
it up. 1972 they come along,
they say okay, who do we got to

1002
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:37,050
buy off? Okay, bearings, the big
player. Okay, let's drop bag on

1003
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:40,980
him. When you seen this now,
with the people selling their

1004
01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:45,510
catalogs, everybody's selling
their catalogs, you know, this

1005
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:49,830
is how they cornered the market.
And in good businesses what

1006
01:08:49,830 --> 01:08:52,380
you're supposed to do, I'm not a
hater. You know, I'm a

1007
01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:57,090
capitalist. If you could do this
in business, it's the point that

1008
01:08:57,090 --> 01:09:00,870
you shouldn't allow people to do
this to you. You shouldn't allow

1009
01:09:00,870 --> 01:09:05,370
these loose ends to come out and
and haunt you. Now, Donna Ross

1010
01:09:05,370 --> 01:09:08,670
has a whole nother story for
another day. How, you know, they

1011
01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:12,780
they the same thing they did
with Tina Turner. Again, I'm not

1012
01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:16,650
saying that these men didn't do
terrible things. But it was a

1013
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:22,050
motive there for giving them a
platform to you know, to air

1014
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:26,700
their dirty laundry. Yes. All
right. So now we got to go back

1015
01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:34,950
to the Harvest report. Because
this guy, he's dropping all this

1016
01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:38,610
inside secrets. Once he figured
out it wasn't a myth. And that's

1017
01:09:38,610 --> 01:09:42,570
why I always find funny that it
was a myth. And then he goes on

1018
01:09:42,570 --> 01:09:46,170
this podcast if we talked about
Dr. Logan H. Westbrook, the

1019
01:09:46,170 --> 01:09:55,770
liaison with CBS in Clive Davis
and he drops all the gyms. Let's

1020
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,610
pick up where we left off. This
is the interview that he the

1021
01:09:59,610 --> 01:10:02,430
pocket Last year where he made
the revelation that he was the

1022
01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:06,450
liaison. This is him continuing
on and clip number 12.

1023
01:10:06,690 --> 01:10:12,060
Unknown: And what did the study
come to mean? And how I, from

1024
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:15,570
reading your book you cited, you
just get into the facts. But it

1025
01:10:15,570 --> 01:10:18,870
seems that the study has become
controversial for reasons that

1026
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:21,510
time presented. Can you talk
about that a little bit?

1027
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:26,700
It has been, some say that it
was one of the blessing in

1028
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:31,290
disguise, and others take the
opposite view. As a result of

1029
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:36,090
that study, even determined that
the black music, it was a viable

1030
01:10:36,090 --> 01:10:41,220
market, it was something to
pursue. And as a result, CVS

1031
01:10:41,250 --> 01:10:47,280
expanded, expanded their black
music marketing division. And as

1032
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:52,620
a result of that success, all
other major labels did exactly

1033
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:57,360
the same thing. We created black
marketing divisions. And what

1034
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,340
that eventually led into the
hiring of more than 1000 black

1035
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,340
male and female executives in
the music industry.

1036
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:07,830
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure.
Blueprint.

1037
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:12,720
Moe Factz: They bought all the
talent off. It's kind of like

1038
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,080
when Vegas goes and brings out
the bookies in house.

1039
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,900
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah, of
course, it's where you want him.

1040
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,650
Moe Factz: That's exactly what
they did. And he helped with the

1041
01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:26,880
blueprint. I can see why now he
wanted to lay the story out,

1042
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,450
there was a myth, because I'm
sure him being as intelligent as

1043
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:34,140
he is, he can see that he let
down the drawbridge across the

1044
01:11:34,140 --> 01:11:39,000
moat. Yeah. Um, let's continue
on with 13.

1045
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:43,740
Unknown: And then once the
ratios nature of the country,

1046
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:47,130
that's just the way that things
were set up, and things are

1047
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:53,100
completely separate, that he led
all into radio stations, where

1048
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,760
you had to pop radio station,
and you had to r&b radio

1049
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:02,250
station, and the pop stations,
known as telephone, and wanted

1050
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:06,450
to play white artists, and r&b
stations, and then the plain

1051
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:11,280
black masses. And then from the
standpoint of marketing and

1052
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:17,550
sales, it became a question of
how can I, as a representative

1053
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:22,890
of a black record division,
across my work is over to top

1054
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:28,200
40. And, of course, from a
marketing standpoint, and in

1055
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,910
sales standpoint, it behooves me
to get my records crossed over

1056
01:12:33,180 --> 01:12:37,590
reason me on the black radio
station in every market

1057
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:41,520
throughout the entire country,
the black stations was on the

1058
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,330
far right hand corner of the
dial, every last one of

1059
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,350
throughout the entire country.
And as a result of that, that's

1060
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:53,940
sitting on the far right hand
corner of the dial was a weakest

1061
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:56,520
on the dial. So consequently,
that is

1062
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,510
so fascinating. Wow. It's like
redlining of radio stations.

1063
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:03,510
Adam Curry: It's true,
technically true.

1064
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,560
Moe Factz: You want to explain
the implications of what they're

1065
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,390
saying? Yes, as far as Khademi
might not know how the

1066
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:14,550
frequencies the radio company
works.

1067
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:17,760
Adam Curry: Yeah, it has to do
with wavelengths and, and the

1068
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,330
length of the antenna, which he
wants to be tuned to the same

1069
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:26,970
length as the as the transmitter
antenna. And it's typically on

1070
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:31,170
car radios, car radios, and
transistor radios at the time,

1071
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:39,930
would be more tuned for 90
through 100, I'd say you have to

1072
01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:42,360
tune it somewhere to kind of
like the optimum length, because

1073
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:45,810
it's, you know, it's a, there's
a lot of bandwidth there. I

1074
01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:50,220
mean, this is all technical
stuff. So that's why classical

1075
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:54,930
stations, usually very low on
the band, because they they

1076
01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:58,770
need, you know, a very clear
reception. Now at a certain

1077
01:13:58,770 --> 01:14:03,480
point, actually, you get below
90, you get an 8988 it goes out

1078
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,390
of tune again. That's why the
college radio stations are

1079
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:13,020
showing college stations.
Exactly. So it was just a

1080
01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:19,530
technicality. And and so really
the good useful band was between

1081
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:24,510
around 91. And I just say 101.
And anything above and below

1082
01:14:24,510 --> 01:14:27,630
that was just going to be less
so you either needed more power

1083
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:33,510
or, you know, a higher
transmitter of antenna location.

1084
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:39,450
But obviously, you know, when
those frequencies are handed

1085
01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:43,890
out, they're owned by the
Commonwealth. So the FCC would

1086
01:14:43,890 --> 01:14:45,240
be the one to assign that

1087
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:47,490
Unknown: in each market.

1088
01:14:49,530 --> 01:14:51,720
Moe Factz: So is that a fair
statement to say it was a

1089
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:57,450
version of redlining? I will see
I can see how they got there.

1090
01:14:57,450 --> 01:14:58,140
But I just want to get

1091
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,400
Adam Curry: I mean In now, I
mean, these days of course, with

1092
01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:05,040
with bigger transmitters doesn't
really make much difference. And

1093
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,670
now we're moving away from FM
broadcasts altogether, I would

1094
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:11,340
say it was because there was
stations that were established

1095
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,340
already. And then you know, the
the quote, unquote, black

1096
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:17,280
stations came in, well, you need
a place to go, you can't be

1097
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,650
sitting next to everyone else.
And you know, because that could

1098
01:15:19,650 --> 01:15:23,040
create interference. As you
know, in some some markets,

1099
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,410
it's, you know, every every two
clicks of the dial, you got

1100
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:28,980
another station. So they they by
default had to go into the

1101
01:15:28,980 --> 01:15:33,000
higher or lower low higher
regions. So maybe later to

1102
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,000
market I don't think it was like
as but those black stations up

1103
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,080
there. I don't that doesn't
sound like a true red lining to

1104
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,150
me. But it would depend on

1105
01:15:42,150 --> 01:15:44,460
Moe Factz: him by what you know,
me, but

1106
01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:48,570
Adam Curry: you know, but you
know, BLS one a wing, or 1075, I

1107
01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:51,600
think in New York, you know, way
up there that almost became I

1108
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,380
would say it worked to the black
station advantage. It's like you

1109
01:15:55,380 --> 01:15:57,720
come into a you roll into a
city. Well, where am I going to

1110
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,410
look on the dial, I'm going to
look above 105, you know, 105

1111
01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:04,710
probably was country. And then
above that would be the black

1112
01:16:04,710 --> 01:16:08,190
station. So it became almost
like the hey, that's where you

1113
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:12,180
you don't want to bother with
anything below that. So it's

1114
01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:13,140
also benefit.

1115
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:16,980
Moe Factz: It's interesting that
you say that because no matter

1116
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:22,020
where you went, you can kind of
look at 107 Yeah, and that's for

1117
01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:25,110
one was that Foxy? 107. in
Durham, North Carolina. That was

1118
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:29,400
the one Foxy 107 And they end up
getting 104 as well. Company.

1119
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,950
They bought it out in a merger
or whatever. But 1:07am I free

1120
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:38,760
7.5 point 9108

1121
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:41,040
Unknown: WB L S.

1122
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:45,660
Adam Curry: Yeah, Frankie
Crocker. Yeah.

1123
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,170
Moe Factz: Yeah, but yeah, I
remember hearing what this

1124
01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:53,700
brought back to me was the saw I
saw the center you Tao. You

1125
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:57,540
know, that was the call the call
line, whatever for the station.

1126
01:16:58,830 --> 01:17:00,810
When you hear this, and I'm sure
people like what did the hell

1127
01:17:00,810 --> 01:17:03,690
are they talking about a dial,
you know, but you had to you

1128
01:17:03,690 --> 01:17:07,350
know, we had to be in the old
cars, we had to spin, spin and

1129
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,060
spin the knob to get it go up
and down. We're dating myself.

1130
01:17:12,090 --> 01:17:15,000
But I didn't start that as an
interesting fact. And this is

1131
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,390
kind of where the crossover
thing came. We're trying to get

1132
01:17:18,420 --> 01:17:24,030
our song was all mainstream, was
That's another interesting word.

1133
01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:31,410
And now we look at it through
this lens, but my issue is like

1134
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:37,290
you saw it the way I see it. A
107. We can brand that as our

1135
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:45,480
areas. Let's keep it our area.
Yeah. But I can't fault them.

1136
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:49,860
Because they're in the mindset
of growth scaling the scale of

1137
01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:54,060
scale, you know, any business,
right, but you end up getting

1138
01:17:54,060 --> 01:18:02,430
bought out and compromised in
with the ambition of scaling. I

1139
01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:04,410
think that's the you know,
that's that happens.

1140
01:18:04,410 --> 01:18:06,300
Adam Curry: Yeah, you make
concessions? Yeah, sure.

1141
01:18:07,740 --> 01:18:09,840
Moe Factz: So let's continue on
what 14,

1142
01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:12,120
Unknown: it's like redlining of
radio stations.

1143
01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:17,910
Exactly. Whereas when, in the
center of the dial, the

1144
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:22,320
strongest signal, all your
chamfer stations were located in

1145
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,490
the center of the dial. So
consequently, I am a record

1146
01:18:26,490 --> 01:18:31,620
company executive, I want to get
my runners crossed over. So they

1147
01:18:31,620 --> 01:18:36,810
will claim on the top 40 station
reaching more and more potential

1148
01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:41,460
Biden. That was that was my
purpose, to cross those records

1149
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:42,990
over to the top one station.

1150
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:46,710
And you have a great anecdote in
the book about some time having

1151
01:18:46,710 --> 01:18:51,390
to use muscle to get black X
played on top 40 stations. And

1152
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:54,600
that was the story of Motown.
Barry Gordy had all these major

1153
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,530
hits on black radio stations,
but top 40 stations particularly

1154
01:18:58,530 --> 01:19:03,090
in the South would not add them.
So Jerry Greenberg put the pray,

1155
01:19:03,090 --> 01:19:05,790
who who was a media buyer put
the pressure on him said if you

1156
01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:10,740
don't start adding these, these
records to your playlist saying

1157
01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:14,250
this to the top 40 stations,
we're gonna stop advertising on

1158
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:17,010
your station. And that sort of
opened the floodgates for they

1159
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:20,790
started playing Motown Records.
And then so they had to use a

1160
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:22,050
little muscle to get in there.

1161
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,540
Adam Curry: Okay, muscle or just
pure bribery or payola as we

1162
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:27,810
used to.

1163
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,270
Moe Factz: Yeah, so we got
muscle for what's the other

1164
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:38,310
guy's name? Barney else? All
right, he's, he's muscling from

1165
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:41,250
one direction and then you got
the advertisers Muslim from

1166
01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,870
another direction. All to help
Barry Gordy. I find that

1167
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:50,250
interesting. Well, it's nothing
nefarious I'm just saying it's

1168
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:56,430
interesting that Motown was
picked for these individual put

1169
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:57,900
their muscle behind.

1170
01:19:58,650 --> 01:20:02,010
Adam Curry: My Motown had the
product I mean, the, I mean, the

1171
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:05,190
the key point there is that
we're selling 600,000 records of

1172
01:20:05,190 --> 01:20:10,170
Diana Ross, and you want to
sell, you know, 6 million so and

1173
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,290
and he even he was even like, we
even know how much the

1174
01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:18,450
distributors made 200,000 You
know? So, you know, there's,

1175
01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:21,930
it's money, it's it's money,
money, money, money

1176
01:20:23,460 --> 01:20:27,000
Moe Factz: and influence, which
we always talk about. This is

1177
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,810
one of Well,

1178
01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:30,660
Adam Curry: sure. I mean, so
this is politics and all kinds

1179
01:20:30,660 --> 01:20:33,210
of stuff gets involved with the
music business. I mean, we see

1180
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:35,910
that am I ahead again, more
godless

1181
01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:43,410
Moe Factz: just got to separate
16 or 1760s, or straight, okay,

1182
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:43,830
it goes

1183
01:20:44,250 --> 01:20:50,070
Unknown: finding is that white
kids were listening to the black

1184
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:54,570
music stations in that town. And
so it was sort of crossing over

1185
01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:58,170
against people's will. So they
got to a point where they could

1186
01:20:58,170 --> 01:21:01,410
not any longer ignore the White
Case of the purchase of black

1187
01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:06,300
music. Exactly. Crazy.

1188
01:21:06,329 --> 01:21:09,119
Now, in your book, you talk
about a meeting where you

1189
01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:12,299
mentioned that CBS is not
infusing any money into the

1190
01:21:12,299 --> 01:21:15,569
black communities that were
making it rich, and they thought

1191
01:21:15,569 --> 01:21:19,619
you meant payola, you meant
scholarships, training, business

1192
01:21:19,619 --> 01:21:23,579
investments, etc. Is this
emblematic of the disconnect

1193
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,809
between white folks and black
folks or white folks just don't

1194
01:21:27,809 --> 01:21:28,169
get it.

1195
01:21:29,130 --> 01:21:32,250
Read was that exact as a matter
of fact, that seed that was

1196
01:21:32,250 --> 01:21:37,920
planted then eventually led to
CBS, hiring the Vice President

1197
01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:43,050
to deal with nothing but giving
monies to certain projects in

1198
01:21:43,050 --> 01:21:46,620
the black community. In a barren
and enriching, devastating,

1199
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:50,910
devastating 100% job is to pass
on monies to different

1200
01:21:50,910 --> 01:21:52,500
organizations in the black
community.

1201
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:56,820
Adam Curry: You know, this is
funny, in and not even in a haha

1202
01:21:56,820 --> 01:22:02,760
way. But when Spotify started
doing podcasts, which I can

1203
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:08,790
argue with argue they failed at
least financially. They started

1204
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:14,880
handing out $100 million grants
to so called Black podcasters. I

1205
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,430
don't even think they actually
handed out the money but it was

1206
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:20,460
the same thing. It was grants it
was in the music company. This

1207
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:23,730
is how this is how it's been
operating forever.

1208
01:22:25,170 --> 01:22:28,410
Moe Factz: To Charlemagne was
one of the big recipients of of

1209
01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:29,880
the one of those deals up

1210
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:32,880
Adam Curry: figures makes makes
total sense. And he's lying

1211
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,770
locked and loaded for the rest
of his life.

1212
01:22:35,459 --> 01:22:38,609
Moe Factz: And he also, you
know, created a team of

1213
01:22:38,609 --> 01:22:49,679
podcasters the pod Boulais Yeah,
but he gave, you know, platforms

1214
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:56,219
to Yeah, yeah, so they make him
elevate and amplify the voices

1215
01:22:56,219 --> 01:22:59,519
that they wouldn't want to be
heard. There's not like a

1216
01:22:59,519 --> 01:23:03,089
natural in the wild kind of
thing that, you know, the cream

1217
01:23:03,089 --> 01:23:05,399
rises to the top kind of thing.
No, no, that's

1218
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,850
Adam Curry: bull crap. Now that
we actually were having an

1219
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:11,340
argument before we even started
the show, which we're not we're

1220
01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:14,310
not gonna get into it was about
AI, no, doesn't matter. But

1221
01:23:14,850 --> 01:23:19,200
going back as long as the
product and I've, I've learned

1222
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:25,080
this all over again in the past
two months. With this value for

1223
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,800
value music stuff, I started a
show booster Graham ball. And,

1224
01:23:29,610 --> 01:23:34,050
and I really, I really realized
that as long as the song is

1225
01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,870
good, if you hear it three
times, you're going to wake up

1226
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:39,810
in the morning, you'd be singing
that song. Imagine if you hear

1227
01:23:39,810 --> 01:23:45,360
it 300 times, as long as it's
good. It can be a hit. It's

1228
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,880
packaging. It's marketing and
repetition. And that's, that's

1229
01:23:50,970 --> 01:23:54,420
what's going on here throughout
throughout music history.

1230
01:23:56,130 --> 01:23:58,020
Moe Factz: And I would like to
give a boots on the ground

1231
01:23:58,020 --> 01:24:01,620
report that if you're a captive
audience, they can make anything

1232
01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:01,980
a hit

1233
01:24:02,010 --> 01:24:05,070
Adam Curry: correct. It has to
be really bad for it not to

1234
01:24:05,070 --> 01:24:06,990
become a hit. Absolutely.

1235
01:24:07,529 --> 01:24:11,909
Moe Factz: If you are solely
reliant on the radio, which I

1236
01:24:11,909 --> 01:24:21,629
think Black radio was probably
one of the biggest spreaders and

1237
01:24:22,289 --> 01:24:27,659
yeah, he's a super spreader.
Yeah, propaganda. Their aid

1238
01:24:27,659 --> 01:24:33,659
because one it's free to wear as
you used, whether it's in the

1239
01:24:33,659 --> 01:24:38,579
car or on you work in warehouse
jobs easily available, easily

1240
01:24:38,579 --> 01:24:43,289
available, barber shops, that
kind of thing. You cut the radio

1241
01:24:43,289 --> 01:24:46,379
on, and it gets kind of with you
all day.

1242
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:49,110
Adam Curry: And now you now you
understand why the music

1243
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:53,550
business has been captured
because the the How does that

1244
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:56,490
happen today because let's just
say radio is less important than

1245
01:24:56,490 --> 01:24:59,850
it was. It's becoming less
important every every minute

1246
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,340
It's the algo it's the YouTube
algo it's the Spotify algo it's

1247
01:25:05,370 --> 01:25:09,150
all about the algos who controls
the algos. Well go look at who

1248
01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:10,050
owns Spotify

1249
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,030
Moe Factz: suggestions. Now,
well you like that song you

1250
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:16,170
might like these other teams.

1251
01:25:17,190 --> 01:25:20,820
Adam Curry: It's all algos and,
which is why I like going back

1252
01:25:20,820 --> 01:25:26,070
to the old school, the DJ, the
DJ is the one that that does the

1253
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:29,340
selection for you and you'll
tune into a DJ he's your algo

1254
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:34,170
he's your discovery algo but
it's transparent. Now it's not

1255
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:37,680
like something behind the scenes
because you know, the cream

1256
01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:41,640
never rises to the top the cream
sits like cement at the bottom.

1257
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,960
Moe Factz: And but even with
payola. The DJ still had his

1258
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,940
reputation on the line, correct
peak he couldn't play tray. Now,

1259
01:25:53,940 --> 01:25:58,650
you might take the one and with
the $100 bill in the records

1260
01:25:58,650 --> 01:26:04,050
leave and play first. Or you
know, or when it first comes

1261
01:26:04,050 --> 01:26:08,700
back from break. But he can't
play complete trash. No, because

1262
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:14,820
it's like, you were picked as a
DJ. For your taste. You were the

1263
01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:19,380
algo you weren't in the curator
of of a sound. Exactly. Now,

1264
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:23,490
there's nobody to blame, you
know, you can't say all

1265
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,920
Adam Curry: it's even worse in
the music business these days.

1266
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:30,630
You've got to pay to be on
playlists. There isn't a you

1267
01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:33,660
probably know this, but there's
entire companies you know, you

1268
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:36,900
pay Oh, it's like you want to be
on this playlist. Well, you got

1269
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,830
to pay me $1,000 Okay, now
you're in the playlist. That's

1270
01:26:40,830 --> 01:26:42,810
how it works. And these are
playlists that are popular

1271
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:47,490
playlists that by some magic get
promoted by Spotify. Oh,

1272
01:26:47,490 --> 01:26:52,290
popular. Yeah. The algo is not
some magical thing that lives on

1273
01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:55,380
its own. No, no way. It's all
controlled.

1274
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:59,280
Moe Factz: And it was a little
bit of consolidation that had

1275
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,730
been before the algos. I like to
take this time since we have a

1276
01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:07,380
radio conversation that it was
this thing called record pools.

1277
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,280
So because when I was making
music, you're saying in my

1278
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:15,570
early, early to mid 20s. They
had these record pools, and you

1279
01:27:15,570 --> 01:27:19,200
had to pay your money to get
your record in and record the

1280
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:24,030
pool in the pool to be heard by
DJs. Now, they worked at radio

1281
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:27,690
but they also the bigger bigger
vehicle were mixtapes Yep. So

1282
01:27:27,690 --> 01:27:31,590
you were gets your record in the
pool, which you had to pay to

1283
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:36,090
get it in there, they will hear
it and then put it on their

1284
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:40,620
mixtape, if, you know if they
felt it was good, or if you, you

1285
01:27:40,620 --> 01:27:46,170
know, had interactions with him
aka payola for lack of a better

1286
01:27:46,170 --> 01:27:47,550
word. Um,

1287
01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:49,740
Adam Curry: but but payola is
not the exception.

1288
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:52,890
Moe Factz: It's the roguery
rule, it's

1289
01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:55,950
Adam Curry: how it works, how
it's always worked, when I was a

1290
01:27:55,950 --> 01:28:02,100
DJ in Holland, which was, you
know, arguably very

1291
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:06,600
professional, even though it was
government controlled, but every

1292
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,780
Monday morning, all the record
label reps would come in the

1293
01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:12,660
pluggers, as they were known,
the record pluggers, you know,

1294
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:16,440
plug in their records, and, and
they would, you know, say, hey,

1295
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:19,620
it would be okay, CBS your
attorney says, Hey, guys, you

1296
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:21,870
know, I got this hot new thing,
and you play a little bit and be

1297
01:28:21,870 --> 01:28:26,010
like, okay, and part of that
meeting was also to choose the,

1298
01:28:26,580 --> 01:28:28,650
the record of the week, you
know, that would get, you know,

1299
01:28:28,740 --> 01:28:31,800
play every other hour, which of
course, everybody wanted to get

1300
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:36,270
that record of the week status.
And, and, but it was it was

1301
01:28:36,270 --> 01:28:42,210
actually quite sincere. Now at
that station, if a record guy

1302
01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:45,300
said, hey, I'll take you out to
lunch. You had to pay and, uh,

1303
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:49,050
my boss would reimburse me.
That's how, that's how strict

1304
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:51,210
they were. I was like, No, you
take nothing from these labels,

1305
01:28:51,210 --> 01:28:55,050
nothing, not even a picture
disc. Not a t shirt. Nothing.

1306
01:28:55,290 --> 01:28:57,930
You don't take anything from
them. So there was really no

1307
01:28:57,930 --> 01:29:02,100
payola, but you did develop a
relationship. Hey, I can get

1308
01:29:02,100 --> 01:29:05,760
Dinah Ross to call into your
show. Oh, cool. I want that. All

1309
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,620
right, you know, and so you'll
play the record, right, of

1310
01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:11,130
course. So that kind of stuff
that that that's how it was

1311
01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:16,260
done. Not really payola per se.
Now, I never got Coke or hookers

1312
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:23,670
damaged to have missed out on
all the good stuff. But yeah,

1313
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:28,110
and these days, yeah, there's
still a few independent record

1314
01:29:28,110 --> 01:29:31,650
promoters. And they will have
quote unquote, have eight

1315
01:29:31,650 --> 01:29:35,760
stations. So it's that guy's
job. There's one who lives in

1316
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:43,170
Austin. dear old friend of mine,
Greg Lolly, and he will. Here's

1317
01:29:43,170 --> 01:29:47,430
how I met him. I was I had the
top 30 hitless Adam Cruz top 30

1318
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:50,490
Hit List, and it was a
syndicated radio show on

1319
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:53,760
stations all around the country.
The stations got that show for

1320
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,380
free, and then they were able to
play two minutes of commercials

1321
01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:01,290
per half hour there local
commercials which they could

1322
01:30:01,290 --> 01:30:04,350
sell was like, hey, you know you
can have an ad on Adam Curry's

1323
01:30:04,350 --> 01:30:07,950
top 30 Hit List, and I sold the
rest nationally. So I had Pepsi

1324
01:30:07,950 --> 01:30:11,730
and Reebok and sponsored like
that. But in order to clear my

1325
01:30:11,730 --> 01:30:15,030
station to clear clear my radio
show on the station, they would

1326
01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:17,940
always say, yeah, well come down
and do the morning show or do

1327
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:21,000
this or that, which is a huge
pain in the ass. So then Greg

1328
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,020
Lolly, he would have all these
acts, which he represented Marky

1329
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:28,950
Mark and the Funky Bunch sisters
with voices met with them as WV

1330
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:32,880
Oh, yeah. I mean, I can go on
and on. I forget all of them

1331
01:30:32,910 --> 01:30:37,200
even up 40 at one time. And so
he would organize and pay for

1332
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,560
these big summer jams. You'll
beat it for summer jam sessions

1333
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:46,680
with boys you beat me to it. And
hosted by MTBS Adam curry. And

1334
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,970
so then the station would clear
my show for a year. And they

1335
01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:53,730
would and of course they would
play you play the records of all

1336
01:30:53,730 --> 01:30:57,180
the acts and he usually had a
new one in there. The old one or

1337
01:30:57,180 --> 01:31:00,060
two new ones we'd have you know,
Marky Mark would be the big no

1338
01:31:00,270 --> 01:31:03,870
good vibrations. He'd be the
headliner all track X, by the

1339
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:08,040
way. And, and you know, we all
sit in the motel room, it was it

1340
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:13,170
was no different from 19 You
know, 1960s Motown exactly the

1341
01:31:13,170 --> 01:31:16,920
same thing. I was the DJ, I had,
everyone had a stake, everyone

1342
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,530
had reason to be in it. And
that's how it works. That's how

1343
01:31:19,530 --> 01:31:21,990
it's always worked. Now, it's a
little different because you

1344
01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:26,910
have one music director, who
controls you know, 20 or 30

1345
01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:30,450
stations across the nation ad.
Well, that's the the program

1346
01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:34,650
director, the MD to the PD, you
know, the PDS as above the MD So

1347
01:31:34,650 --> 01:31:37,770
the PD usually gets all the
money, and he tells the MD what

1348
01:31:37,770 --> 01:31:42,240
to do. The MD gets to hang out
with the artists. So he'll

1349
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,690
program one song 30 stations at
one time. So it's kind of

1350
01:31:45,690 --> 01:31:49,440
inverted a little bit. It used
to be decentralized. Now, you'd

1351
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,680
have to go out now it's just one
guy, and he controls at all then

1352
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,040
you know, with with all the
shenanigans you can imagine, but

1353
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,940
usually, we got a call from the
field. What's the Call, man it's

1354
01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:03,120
hopping on YouTube, it's popping
on Spotify because they control

1355
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:07,890
the algos. So it's all. So
bottom line, don't get into the

1356
01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:12,030
music business unless you come
to value for value music. There

1357
01:32:12,030 --> 01:32:13,920
is no music business to break
into.

1358
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,400
Moe Factz: And I would like to
make one final point is that

1359
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:21,210
it's amazing that I have been
working on this show forever.

1360
01:32:21,810 --> 01:32:25,860
And the fact that I didn't even
know about you know, what your

1361
01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:30,480
your your music show that you
were doing. He works

1362
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,990
Adam Curry: in no danger,
mysterious ways. No, right? No

1363
01:32:33,990 --> 01:32:35,790
coincidence in the kingdom, my
brother,

1364
01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:38,940
Moe Factz: when I first heard
all that Whoa, like what's going

1365
01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:42,870
on here? You know, this is
lining up, you know, the stars

1366
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:47,970
are aligning to Well, I think we
started at 17. Yes, we did.

1367
01:32:48,090 --> 01:32:50,190
Let's, let's go ahead and get
into 18.

1368
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:53,970
Unknown: Again, he was committed
to the environment. And the way

1369
01:32:53,970 --> 01:32:58,530
that first came about was when I
was the head of the division

1370
01:32:58,530 --> 01:33:05,610
there at CVS. And I had a friend
of mine. That was a we were

1371
01:33:05,610 --> 01:33:09,360
colleagues in high school. And
he was working for a national

1372
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,340
company. And he was working for
he came up with the idea to

1373
01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:20,370
sponsor the Black Caucus show in
Washington, DC. And this is the

1374
01:33:20,370 --> 01:33:24,480
very first time that he was done
in the major week. And he and I

1375
01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:30,390
produced a show as a fundraiser
for the Black Caucus in

1376
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:35,730
Washington DC. And his line that
show was it was it pays for the

1377
01:33:35,730 --> 01:33:40,770
sex acts darkened the front of
mine, he was the emcee of that

1378
01:33:40,770 --> 01:33:45,270
show. So it was a very, very
successful show. And as a result

1379
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:48,600
of that, they started doing the
show on a regular basis every

1380
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,170
year. And it became on the major
fundraising for the black

1381
01:33:52,170 --> 01:33:55,980
conference here in Washington,
DC. Again, man, we were

1382
01:33:55,980 --> 01:33:59,370
emphasizing community
involvement. That's what we were

1383
01:33:59,370 --> 01:34:03,000
emphasizing. And the same thing
even extended into on a local

1384
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,380
level. Let's take Chicago, for
instance. The black politician

1385
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:11,040
was one of the authors in
Chicago, it was my

1386
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,450
responsibility to get my black
artists to work along with that

1387
01:34:15,450 --> 01:34:20,280
bank politician, so that when he
or she would hold that rallies,

1388
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,330
that artists would need that to
perform to attract additional

1389
01:34:24,330 --> 01:34:28,170
people to hear what that
politician had to say. And we

1390
01:34:28,170 --> 01:34:30,810
duplicated that throughout the
entire country.

1391
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:34,410
Adam Curry: still happening
today.

1392
01:34:35,249 --> 01:34:38,819
Moe Factz: That's how you get in
Jay Z and Beyonce to come out

1393
01:34:38,849 --> 01:34:43,709
and support Hillary Clinton.
Yeah, I think they've gotten

1394
01:34:43,709 --> 01:34:53,579
smarter. Oh, since then, instead
of supporting candidates. It's

1395
01:34:53,579 --> 01:34:58,019
initiatives like LeBron and
2020. It was about you know, the

1396
01:34:58,019 --> 01:35:03,239
NBA and LeBron on helping to get
the vote out, right? He didn't

1397
01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:06,719
he didn't go on stage your body?
No, I think they're getting

1398
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:13,079
smarter now. They learn from the
Puff Daddy, vote or die in those

1399
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:15,629
initiative that people are
getting little people getting

1400
01:35:15,629 --> 01:35:20,339
smarter. They're getting hip. So
we need to, you know, mascot

1401
01:35:20,339 --> 01:35:23,549
better. But this is this is your
politicians right here this is

1402
01:35:23,549 --> 01:35:28,079
your politicians, the record
labels everything and wonder how

1403
01:35:28,079 --> 01:35:37,289
this ties in to the theme of the
episode is that they won't allow

1404
01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:45,479
us to help our people.
Everything from the money to the

1405
01:35:45,509 --> 01:35:53,759
political influence to
everything is hijacked. Yeah. It

1406
01:35:53,759 --> 01:35:57,389
is how it how it? I mean, how is
it you have a Barry Gordy in

1407
01:35:57,389 --> 01:36:01,559
this 60s? Which you don't have
that now? Who was the Barry

1408
01:36:01,559 --> 01:36:08,579
Gordy now? It should have been
Jay Z No. And I'm not beating up

1409
01:36:08,579 --> 01:36:13,079
on Jay Z but he's the top you
know, he's the biggest boon a

1410
01:36:13,079 --> 01:36:17,279
member you know that we see a
public facing Boulais member?

1411
01:36:18,059 --> 01:36:25,289
And what did he get to do he got
to be a basically an event

1412
01:36:25,289 --> 01:36:28,679
planner for the Superbowl. And
look at the type of show they

1413
01:36:28,679 --> 01:36:29,309
put on.

1414
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,830
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean,
I think it's, it's so

1415
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:39,090
consolidated at this point. You
know, all the labels own

1416
01:36:39,090 --> 01:36:39,840
Spotify.

1417
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:42,180
Unknown: It's just the fact.

1418
01:36:42,930 --> 01:36:45,030
Moe Factz: You're right, right,
it that's the new radio,

1419
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:49,350
basically, the apps. The apps
are the new radio.

1420
01:36:49,470 --> 01:36:53,820
Adam Curry: Yeah, but Spotify is
is is the is the the king and

1421
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:57,570
Spotify is the king but you
know, famously makes no money.

1422
01:36:58,590 --> 01:37:02,040
Now because it's it's it's like
it's almost like legal money

1423
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,980
laundering. You know, it all
goes through Spotify into the

1424
01:37:04,980 --> 01:37:07,980
labels, they owned it, they
owned all the stock when it went

1425
01:37:07,980 --> 01:37:12,060
public. They don't they probably
own all those crappy little

1426
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:15,180
companies that you have to pay
money to to get on their

1427
01:37:15,180 --> 01:37:21,750
playlist, et cetera. Fake fake
streams, all this stuff. It's

1428
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:24,930
it's one big giant is actually
it should be investigated for

1429
01:37:24,930 --> 01:37:29,460
anti comp, anti competitive
behavior. It's I don't know if

1430
01:37:29,460 --> 01:37:33,150
it's if you really have to Berry
Gordy's anymore because we know,

1431
01:37:33,450 --> 01:37:36,480
as long as it's a good song, and
because of today's technology

1432
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:40,740
and tomorrow's AI, I'll throw
that one your way mo it'll be

1433
01:37:40,770 --> 01:37:44,100
there'll be there's a lot of
products, there's a lot of

1434
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:47,250
product, there's no there's so
much product, but you can only

1435
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,420
promote so much. Because you
still it's still cost money, you

1436
01:37:51,420 --> 01:37:54,180
still got to throw them on the
road. You know, you got to you

1437
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:57,390
got to do all all that stuff. So
they pick the ones they like

1438
01:37:57,390 --> 01:38:02,220
maybe the ones that are most
valuable or most packable for

1439
01:38:02,220 --> 01:38:06,120
all the ancillary goodies like
politics.

1440
01:38:09,540 --> 01:38:13,080
Moe Factz: Just sayin, you have
to be smart, but not too smart.

1441
01:38:13,770 --> 01:38:18,510
Oh, God, no. That's a balance.
It's like you have to appear to

1442
01:38:18,510 --> 01:38:23,520
be smart, but not smart enough
to read or record contract.

1443
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:27,000
Correct. Or understand what
you're signing or now it's

1444
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,740
gotten to the point going back
to my mission statement is is

1445
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:42,330
I'm shocked literally shocked
when I saw it coming. The

1446
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:48,870
degrading intellectual content
of hip hop. And this is a little

1447
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:53,370
foreshadowing for where we're
going. Because there's words I

1448
01:38:53,370 --> 01:38:58,350
learned from rap. The way they
used it in the context, increase

1449
01:38:58,350 --> 01:39:04,320
my vocabulary, everybody it was
all about being in form of

1450
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,400
dropping with the car dropping
Jews information I learned about

1451
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,270
the Illuminati from rap. I
learned about you know, all

1452
01:39:12,270 --> 01:39:18,030
these things and then now we're
in 2023. And it's the artists

1453
01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:22,050
that they pick handpick. Yep,
rapping about their booty

1454
01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:23,160
holders Brown.

1455
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,410
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, you
don't if CNN is out there and

1456
01:39:28,410 --> 01:39:31,830
available, you want to own it.
You want CNN to push your

1457
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:32,550
message

1458
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,700
Moe Factz: that this is not at
CNN this is it's the equivalent

1459
01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:43,080
of young graduate brought up
seeing in my uncle used to watch

1460
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:47,820
CNN from wall to wall every day.
Yeah. And it was interesting

1461
01:39:47,820 --> 01:39:51,240
stuff on there and it was
happening in the world. If you

1462
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:58,860
turn on CNN now. The content is
so stupid. So how did you get

1463
01:39:58,860 --> 01:40:04,620
from where Are there two down
here that is sold? Low level and

1464
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:08,670
low Brown? I'm not being an
intellectual snob. I'm just

1465
01:40:08,670 --> 01:40:12,510
saying how do you digress? Is it
the people that digressing? And

1466
01:40:12,510 --> 01:40:17,850
you're catering to the audience?
Or is it this weaponization of

1467
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:21,240
stupidity to bring people down?

1468
01:40:22,139 --> 01:40:29,279
Adam Curry: Well, there's two,
two sides to it. One is Rupert

1469
01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:32,969
Murdoch figured out that you
could cater to one side and be

1470
01:40:32,969 --> 01:40:35,609
very successful with half the
country. If we just talk about

1471
01:40:35,609 --> 01:40:40,139
cable news, in this case, CNN
feigned a little bit of oh,

1472
01:40:40,139 --> 01:40:42,779
we're in the middle, but they're
not in fact, being in the middle

1473
01:40:42,809 --> 01:40:49,049
is not very profitable. This
This news is this started when

1474
01:40:49,049 --> 01:40:53,579
news was no longer a loss
leader, CBS News used to be, you

1475
01:40:53,579 --> 01:40:57,059
know, it would cost you know,
$12 million a year, which is a

1476
01:40:57,059 --> 01:41:00,569
joke by today's standards, but
to produce it and that was $12

1477
01:41:00,569 --> 01:41:03,779
million. CBS threw out the
window, but they want it to be

1478
01:41:03,779 --> 01:41:06,629
the station that people came to
for news and stuck around for

1479
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:11,009
all of their entertainment. So
in particular, political

1480
01:41:11,009 --> 01:41:16,649
advertisements. The the biggest
moneymaker for cable news is

1481
01:41:16,649 --> 01:41:21,149
political advertisements,
billions of dollars in a cycle,

1482
01:41:21,179 --> 01:41:26,729
but even their cycles all the
time now. So now it's money.

1483
01:41:26,759 --> 01:41:31,199
It's just, it's just pure money.
And so then you give people

1484
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:35,039
dumbed down content, people
become Idiocracy dumbed down.

1485
01:41:35,579 --> 01:41:38,639
They just just start, this is
why podcasts are popular. People

1486
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:42,629
are getting something else. Oh,
you know, in a way, podcasts are

1487
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:51,869
the new hip hop, hey, go. Hey.
You can't get more hip hop than

1488
01:41:51,869 --> 01:41:52,319
this.

1489
01:41:53,010 --> 01:41:57,240
Moe Factz: Because hip hop is a
counter culture. Podcasting is a

1490
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:02,550
counter culture is the more
things become polished and

1491
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:09,810
perfect in, you know, the big
screens and the $5,000 suits.

1492
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:15,120
Yeah, no, it's two microphones,
two laptops, and a handful of

1493
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,650
clips, and conversation. And
it's not a script. We're not

1494
01:42:19,650 --> 01:42:22,950
coming on. Let me get my line.
And you know, I have a great

1495
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:26,430
joke written out. No, we don't
know where this show is going.

1496
01:42:26,460 --> 01:42:29,970
It might go off the rail, who
knows, but it's authentic.

1497
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,890
Adam Curry: That's what we want
people people want authenticity.

1498
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:39,450
But this is what's in our DNA.
It's in our DNA that we want

1499
01:42:39,450 --> 01:42:39,630
that

1500
01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:44,670
Moe Factz: but this is what
scares me because we're headed.

1501
01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:51,420
I mentioned before that hip part
of hip and hip hop is also hip,

1502
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,830
you know, being done, know
what's going on, you know, what

1503
01:42:55,830 --> 01:43:00,480
we call a woke, you know, being
in the know, knowing what the

1504
01:43:00,510 --> 01:43:07,860
slang is, when it becomes so
hip. They have to dumb it down

1505
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,240
with drugs. And you mentioned
this before. And in this time in

1506
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:17,010
the 60s that we're talking about
psychedelics came, right, what's

1507
01:43:17,010 --> 01:43:22,260
that came, and it kind of just

1508
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,450
Adam Curry: Well, now, what is
the kind of ketamine ketamine is

1509
01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:28,110
the new drug?

1510
01:43:29,070 --> 01:43:32,220
Moe Factz: Right and DMT and you
know, and they bring it back

1511
01:43:32,250 --> 01:43:37,350
mushrooms, and I'm waiting for
LSD to make another another

1512
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:41,190
circle. May did this, because
they said they're getting too

1513
01:43:41,190 --> 01:43:46,380
smart at the same time. I don't
think the stupidity is natural.

1514
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:51,330
Let me just say it out there, I
think is these kids are smart.

1515
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:55,500
These kids want to live in
communes. I think it was called,

1516
01:43:55,620 --> 01:43:59,850
they want to eat organic. We
can't have this we have TV

1517
01:43:59,850 --> 01:44:03,060
dinners that we need to sell.
And Buick.

1518
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,490
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, yeah,
you're right.

1519
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,180
Moe Factz: Yeah. Let's let's
dumb them down. Let's drug them

1520
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:12,870
up so bad, and they're dumbed
down. And then we'll put a bad

1521
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:17,550
rap on and live with Max. And
that they'll go into, you know,

1522
01:44:17,550 --> 01:44:21,990
like the hippies did, they'll go
into the, into the shadows. And

1523
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:25,650
I got a strange feeling that
we're going to see a repeat of

1524
01:44:25,650 --> 01:44:26,100
this, but

1525
01:44:26,130 --> 01:44:28,050
Adam Curry: all the more things
change, the more they stay the

1526
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:28,740
same Mo

1527
01:44:29,340 --> 01:44:32,910
Moe Factz: Yeah, it's just
another cycle. It's a cycle.

1528
01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:35,580
Totally, totally. Alright. 19

1529
01:44:35,700 --> 01:44:38,130
Unknown: and talk about the
Congressional Black Caucus

1530
01:44:38,130 --> 01:44:41,970
because you you continue to
remain involved with politics,

1531
01:44:41,970 --> 01:44:47,340
correct? Yes, today. And so what
are some examples of maybe folks

1532
01:44:47,340 --> 01:44:50,310
that you helped get elected or
was the policy

1533
01:44:51,630 --> 01:44:56,490
the founder, who made the show
that I was involved in, was a

1534
01:44:56,490 --> 01:45:02,700
fundraiser for Redis got clean
and In Atlanta, Georgia. And

1535
01:45:02,700 --> 01:45:08,430
ironically, Governor Carter was,
was the governor of Georgia at

1536
01:45:08,430 --> 01:45:11,250
that particular time, which is
the first time that I had been

1537
01:45:11,310 --> 01:45:17,970
to meet him. And that entailed
sort of including what we've

1538
01:45:18,570 --> 01:45:23,340
done according to what CBS was
all about. And then some years

1539
01:45:23,340 --> 01:45:27,270
later, when he ran for
president, he came to Los

1540
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:32,430
Angeles, California. And he was
the look into the tide into the

1541
01:45:32,430 --> 01:45:37,020
black community and the black
power brokers. And of course, at

1542
01:45:37,020 --> 01:45:41,850
that particular time, I did not
have the power of know how to

1543
01:45:41,850 --> 01:45:45,750
put that together. But I did
have a very good friend, a guy

1544
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:48,870
named Clarence Avon, who's known
as my godfather.

1545
01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:51,150
Yeah, I saw his documentary put

1546
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:54,750
up put plants event with Jimmy
Carter. And then the rest is

1547
01:45:54,750 --> 01:45:59,040
history. All of the keys to
everything.

1548
01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:01,980
Adam Curry: Now, there's
something I have to bring up

1549
01:46:01,980 --> 01:46:10,140
here. Because today, obviously,
even though Hip Hop all all

1550
01:46:10,140 --> 01:46:13,170
music forms are controlled by
the algorithms, YouTube being

1551
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,500
the I think one of the major
places followed by, you know,

1552
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:20,820
YouTube can can get stuff going
tick tock, actually, I should

1553
01:46:20,820 --> 01:46:23,970
say is probably even more
important for the record

1554
01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:27,450
industry to create hits. And
then then you want it on the

1555
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:32,520
playlists on Spotify to really
cross it over, etc. Something

1556
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:38,730
happened. But we still have lots
of people, lots of artists, I'll

1557
01:46:38,730 --> 01:46:42,690
just say hip hop artists, on
YouTube on Tik Tok, maybe even

1558
01:46:42,690 --> 01:46:46,140
more on tick tock creating their
own stuff, which has, you know,

1559
01:46:47,130 --> 01:46:50,370
probably won't be picked up by a
record label for a whole bunch

1560
01:46:50,370 --> 01:46:59,130
of reasons. But with the mugshot
photo of 45 Savage, I'm seeing

1561
01:46:59,250 --> 01:47:09,360
such a huge influx of hip hop,
Latino music videos, all you

1562
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:13,290
know, now all loving Trump.
He's, you know, he's a brother

1563
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,630
he black now. He, you know, he
was in jail, he gets it he's

1564
01:47:18,630 --> 01:47:26,220
he's part of the family now. Do
you think that that will really

1565
01:47:26,220 --> 01:47:28,260
make a difference in the coming
election?

1566
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:36,480
Moe Factz: This lends to the
theory that Neely Fuller said

1567
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:43,080
about tacky, trashy,
terroristic? Sonas Trump became

1568
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,090
tacky and trashy,

1569
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:46,200
Adam Curry: he starts winning

1570
01:47:47,490 --> 01:47:50,310
Moe Factz: to a certain segment.
Now what's been black

1571
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:55,530
conservatives and even the
Antheil vote blue no matter who

1572
01:47:55,530 --> 01:47:58,980
crowd right that was like, you
know, Trump has some points put

1573
01:47:58,980 --> 01:48:06,270
as soon as he became tacky and
trashy and you want to run

1574
01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:11,490
criminal and with terroristic?
Oh, that's my God now. Oh, yeah.

1575
01:48:11,850 --> 01:48:12,960
Adam Curry: Yeah, but will they
vote?

1576
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:16,950
Moe Factz: Well, and we talked
about in the show, it's not

1577
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:19,830
about voting. It's about not
voting.

1578
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,070
Adam Curry: Correct. Not voting.
Democrat. Yeah, you're right.

1579
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:23,520
You're right.

1580
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:29,520
Moe Factz: This is what has him
scared silly. Because if it and

1581
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,900
this is how fast things move on,
I hate to say it like this our

1582
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:39,600
side. Oh, I'll take skinny
jeans, for instance. They're

1583
01:48:39,630 --> 01:48:41,340
wearing tight pants. They're
out.

1584
01:48:41,340 --> 01:48:42,210
Adam Curry: I hear they're out.

1585
01:48:42,930 --> 01:48:47,730
Moe Factz: Well, their legacy is
still here. Because I grew up

1586
01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:51,780
the bigger the better. The more
fat the bigger your jeans, the

1587
01:48:51,780 --> 01:48:52,080
better.

1588
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:53,820
Adam Curry: You're from the
criss cross generation.

1589
01:48:54,420 --> 01:48:58,710
Moe Factz: Yes, I've gone from
cross color all the way up

1590
01:48:58,710 --> 01:49:01,920
through Rocco wear jeans. And
there were you know, you put two

1591
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:10,650
legs in one pants, one leg. But
all of a sudden, skinny jeans

1592
01:49:10,650 --> 01:49:17,250
came out of nowhere. And you
baggy jeans disappeared. Or they

1593
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:21,330
became dad jeans just overnight.
And when I'm not talking about

1594
01:49:21,330 --> 01:49:26,550
the pants, I'm saying how fast
the culture shifts to what's

1595
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:31,530
cool and what's not cool. It
happens overnight. And this is

1596
01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:35,460
the thing about being hip.
Because what was hip yesterday

1597
01:49:35,670 --> 01:49:42,840
is lame and square today, right?
So Trump could easily become and

1598
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:48,780
I see it slowly happening. So
trashy and terroristic wish they

1599
01:49:48,780 --> 01:49:51,570
thought the mug shot was going
to be a negative.

1600
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,330
Adam Curry: Yeah, it turned into
a huge positive for him.

1601
01:49:55,050 --> 01:49:59,160
Moe Factz: Right because it's
multiple levels to this one is

1602
01:49:59,190 --> 01:50:05,070
the people They are informed on
politics and following whatnot,

1603
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:08,370
not just people that watch the
headlines and and you know,

1604
01:50:08,370 --> 01:50:14,250
watch clips on a news. It's
like, Hold on This is unfair

1605
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:20,760
this is this is evidence of the
to the multilayer justice system

1606
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:25,410
is more than two layers, right?
This is evident that this is the

1607
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:30,060
educated This is the informed
take. But the fact that Trump

1608
01:50:30,630 --> 01:50:38,160
was locked up in Atlanta, and he
got out, and like, yeah, now I'm

1609
01:50:38,160 --> 01:50:41,520
the bad guy. Now I'm the same
way people gravitate to the

1610
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,360
Joker is like, I don't, I
thought Batman was the good guy.

1611
01:50:46,110 --> 01:50:52,980
But the Joker is just as popular
if not more popular. And, and

1612
01:50:52,980 --> 01:50:56,490
you know, the cool RAM brown.

1613
01:50:56,970 --> 01:50:59,250
Adam Curry: So I'm seeing this,
you know, just from what I'm

1614
01:50:59,250 --> 01:51:03,570
seeing what people send me, but
is it really alive that way from

1615
01:51:03,570 --> 01:51:04,620
your experience?

1616
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:10,260
Moe Factz: Yes, okay. For
multiple reasons, because it's

1617
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:14,070
like, if you're a content
creator, saying something

1618
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:21,930
controversial, helps you stand
out. Right? So if I want to, you

1619
01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:26,010
know, get views. I'm going to do
something or say something

1620
01:51:26,010 --> 01:51:28,500
that's so controversial. And
what's the most controversial

1621
01:51:28,500 --> 01:51:32,070
thing you can say? Yeah. A black
person supporting Donald Trump,

1622
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:37,440
right? While being cool, is not
common. So he was saying

1623
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:43,260
supporting Donald Trump or, or
elders, Larry elders, races out

1624
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:47,520
somebody that was cool. Or
considered cool supporting

1625
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,780
Donald Trump. And I'm sure the
worry is if I'm a betting man,

1626
01:51:51,810 --> 01:51:56,160
I'm putting my money on Vegas in
Vegas. That the word went out to

1627
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:59,790
artists. Don't you jump on this
train?

1628
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,690
Adam Curry: Oh, um, no doubt. No
doubt. Yeah.

1629
01:52:04,530 --> 01:52:07,710
Moe Factz: But you saw little
Wayne and yeah,

1630
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:08,610
Adam Curry: yeah. They you

1631
01:52:08,610 --> 01:52:13,140
Moe Factz: saw how they were
lambasted for even taking

1632
01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:17,760
getting out of jail. No, you're
supposed to stay in jail for

1633
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:20,910
your Donald Trump and get you
out ASAP Rocky, Little Wayne,

1634
01:52:20,910 --> 01:52:23,730
those kinds of things. Yeah. So
I'm sure the word went out and

1635
01:52:23,730 --> 01:52:27,480
induced to tie that back into
what we just heard of the

1636
01:52:27,870 --> 01:52:31,650
politics in the record labels.
I'm sure there was a memo that

1637
01:52:31,650 --> 01:52:36,630
went out to say, no, no, no
supporting Donald Trump. Now who

1638
01:52:36,630 --> 01:52:40,110
will be the first artist to do
that? Just like the F Donald

1639
01:52:40,110 --> 01:52:43,440
Trump song. You remember that?
Of course. Yep. The guy that

1640
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:48,360
wrote it, one of the guy that
wrote it. Not Nipsey Hussle. But

1641
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:52,470
the other one, he came out say
You know what, Trump ain't

1642
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:56,820
really that bad, dude. So this
is how this then this is pre

1643
01:52:56,850 --> 01:53:04,110
this was pre that mugshot. So
Trump has went full circle, that

1644
01:53:04,110 --> 01:53:10,170
he was so hated, that he's
becoming loved. But under the

1645
01:53:10,170 --> 01:53:12,540
under the guise of being tacky,
trashy and terroristic,

1646
01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:17,160
Adam Curry: and he was loved by
hip hop in the late 80s and 90s.

1647
01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:20,940
New York Hip Hop guys, they were
doing songs about we're

1648
01:53:20,940 --> 01:53:24,720
incorporating Trump all the
time, as you know, as bling as a

1649
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,810
measure of success. You know,
like Trump Towers, you know, a

1650
01:53:27,810 --> 01:53:30,570
be like Trump. I mean, that was
an all the songs

1651
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:33,570
Moe Factz: because the
lifestyles are rich and famous.

1652
01:53:33,810 --> 01:53:38,790
Yes. Yeah. He is holed up in a
town car, right. When a driver

1653
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:41,880
servers, right, you pull them up
in the Lambo, and he got to the

1654
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:46,440
goal ceiling. Like Yeah, but
what is that considered to owe

1655
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:53,130
money? That's tacky and trashy.
Yeah. You don't do that? No. And

1656
01:53:53,130 --> 01:53:56,640
that's why Trump would never was
not allowed in a fail. That's

1657
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:02,100
why he was not accepted amongst
his peers on his economic level,

1658
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:04,530
because he's seen is tacky and
trashy, oh,

1659
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:09,090
Adam Curry: my God, they must be
so afraid of that guy. Must be

1660
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:11,580
afraid of us are afraid of him.

1661
01:54:11,670 --> 01:54:14,220
Moe Factz: Especially with the
one time to that's the scary

1662
01:54:14,220 --> 01:54:18,360
part. Yeah. I don't think we in
recent history, I don't think we

1663
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:22,950
ever had our president that was
gonna get elected and only was

1664
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:24,210
gonna serve one term.

1665
01:54:26,370 --> 01:54:28,950
Adam Curry: Well, Bush Senior
only served one term.

1666
01:54:29,610 --> 01:54:32,910
Moe Factz: But I mean, he didn't
come in knowing he was only

1667
01:54:32,910 --> 01:54:36,210
gonna start with one turnout.
No, no, that's a very scary

1668
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:43,980
position. 45 Savage. And even
the 45 Savage. Yeah. When I said

1669
01:54:43,980 --> 01:54:46,830
that people giggle and laugh and
like, Oh, that's funny. You

1670
01:54:46,830 --> 01:54:52,920
know, it's because it's lending
to the hip hop. You know, the 21

1671
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:58,200
Savage. Yes. So yeah, so that's
funny, and it kind of diffused

1672
01:54:58,770 --> 01:55:04,320
the Mind Control that was around
Donald Trump. Yeah. All right, I

1673
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,680
think we stopped. Good night
team, I guess we can. Thanks

1674
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:08,670
some people, first, the

1675
01:55:08,670 --> 01:55:11,640
Unknown: white man in the black
man have to be able to sit down

1676
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,850
at the same table, the white man
has to feel free to speak his

1677
01:55:14,850 --> 01:55:17,490
mind without hurting the
feelings of that negro. And the

1678
01:55:17,490 --> 01:55:20,550
so called Negro has to feel free
to speak his mind without

1679
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:23,160
hurting the feelings of the
white man, then they can bring

1680
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:26,010
the issue that are under the rug
out on top of the table and take

1681
01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:28,410
an intelligent approach to get
the problem solved. That's the

1682
01:55:28,410 --> 01:55:29,850
only way we'll ever do it.

1683
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:33,720
Adam Curry: And that's exactly
what we're doing. And we're

1684
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,800
figuring a lot of stuff out as
usual. This is a value for value

1685
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:42,030
podcast, you heard the term fall
or drop earlier, which means we

1686
01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:46,620
put it out there for you to
enjoy no cost, no tears, no

1687
01:55:46,620 --> 01:55:50,790
premium content, no paywalls, no
Patreon no ads, no creepy

1688
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:53,880
commercial money, which is the
only reason we can discuss the

1689
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,220
things we are discussing. And
the only reason why we're

1690
01:55:56,220 --> 01:55:58,980
successful and why Bruce
Springsteen and Obama's podcast

1691
01:55:58,980 --> 01:56:04,260
went away. So all we ask is that
you return some value, then you

1692
01:56:04,260 --> 01:56:06,870
can do that in a whole bunch of
ways. Three, in fact, time,

1693
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:10,080
talent, treasure, tell someone
about the podcast, send us a

1694
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,650
story, send us an idea. We'd
love getting treasure. It's

1695
01:56:13,650 --> 01:56:18,510
really important. little short.
On today's treasure in the

1696
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:21,000
Treasury Department. Of course,
we didn't take enough time off

1697
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,100
between episodes. That's usually
what else

1698
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:25,650
Moe Factz: working too hard.

1699
01:56:26,550 --> 01:56:28,920
Adam Curry: We're doing too
much. We do want to thank our

1700
01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:31,290
executive and Associate
Executive producers in this

1701
01:56:31,290 --> 01:56:36,240
particular segment. We start off
with Melissa Ebeid EBIT, EBIT de

1702
01:56:36,510 --> 01:56:42,600
and she made a total of 17
donations, which equals $273.

1703
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:45,930
And is I mean, does that qualify
thing a qualifies as a big

1704
01:56:45,930 --> 01:56:47,910
baller? Don't you think so?
Yeah.

1705
01:56:49,020 --> 01:56:52,860
Unknown: Stop Carla. Sakala 20
is Blaze only Impala and

1706
01:56:52,860 --> 01:56:55,020
Adam Curry: we very much
appreciate your contribution.

1707
01:56:55,020 --> 01:56:58,950
Melissa, thank you so much. You
will be our top executive

1708
01:56:58,950 --> 01:57:01,440
producer for today's episode
Ryan Tierney

1709
01:57:01,530 --> 01:57:03,870
Moe Factz: a correction how long
correction because you didn't

1710
01:57:03,870 --> 01:57:10,440
win last night it 12 Something
Oh is now to add to an eight

1711
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:12,480
team donations to Melissa.

1712
01:57:12,630 --> 01:57:14,820
Adam Curry: And is she sending
one every day or what is she

1713
01:57:14,820 --> 01:57:15,240
doing?

1714
01:57:15,450 --> 01:57:16,440
Moe Factz: She's boosting

1715
01:57:17,850 --> 01:57:19,500
Adam Curry: love that love that
Fiat

1716
01:57:19,500 --> 01:57:20,010
Moe Factz: boosting

1717
01:57:20,850 --> 01:57:23,430
Adam Curry: will be thanking our
our Satoshi boosters in the

1718
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:28,980
second segment Ryan Tierney a
111 11 satchel Richards history

1719
01:57:28,980 --> 01:57:31,890
of hip hop part one episode was
fascinating. Looking forward to

1720
01:57:31,890 --> 01:57:36,090
part two. Well, here you go.
It's here for you. And 110 from

1721
01:57:36,090 --> 01:57:39,810
Jamie Palacios, who says had to
donate again since the last

1722
01:57:39,810 --> 01:57:42,900
show. Thank you Mona Adam for an
awesome show. May I please be

1723
01:57:42,900 --> 01:57:47,310
deduced and jobs karma I wasn't
actually we kind of have more

1724
01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:52,230
like a WUSA and Debbie that we
od deadbeat was gonna do for

1725
01:57:52,230 --> 01:57:52,980
Absolutely.

1726
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:57,480
Unknown: Congratulations. You're
no longer I

1727
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:03,840
Adam Curry: give you a little mo
karma there. You've got any says

1728
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,390
Adam, I promise my second
donation for no agenda will come

1729
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:09,750
soon from my first step and
don't worry about it. It's all

1730
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:12,750
good man. Whenever Whenever the
whenever it moves you to send

1731
01:58:12,750 --> 01:58:15,570
some some value back. It's
appreciated. Those are the

1732
01:58:15,570 --> 01:58:18,630
executive producers Associate
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1733
01:58:18,780 --> 01:58:22,710
between 50 and 100 Douglas Moog,
who comes in with 50 No note

1734
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other than thanks. And then no
notes from Kenneth Smith was 50.

1735
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Kyle man was 50 and Mingus
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1736
01:58:31,530 --> 01:58:34,170
are the Associate Executive
producers we appreciate your

1737
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contribution very much. We'll be
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1738
01:58:37,050 --> 01:58:40,410
along with our value for value
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1739
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apps in the second segment.
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1740
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1741
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1742
01:58:56,250 --> 01:59:02,730
Moe Factz: We've talked about
the crossing over of black music

1743
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:08,550
into white society now like to
look at the inverse of

1744
01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:11,970
corporations and their mindset
at the time and this comes from

1745
01:59:11,970 --> 01:59:16,770
1954. But there was this
instructional video I guess it

1746
01:59:16,770 --> 01:59:23,100
was sold to department stores
and things of that nature of how

1747
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:25,770
to sell to the Negro. We talked
about this before but I don't

1748
01:59:25,770 --> 01:59:28,050
think we actually played the
clips. Okay, here we

1749
01:59:28,050 --> 01:59:31,620
Unknown: go. Here's what sales
psychologists have to say about

1750
01:59:31,620 --> 01:59:32,760
selling to the Negro.

1751
01:59:33,660 --> 01:59:36,300
The secret of selling to the
Negro was expressed in one word,

1752
01:59:36,810 --> 01:59:40,170
that word is recognition. Now,
there's nothing unusual about

1753
01:59:40,170 --> 01:59:43,350
that. People want to be
recognized. They need

1754
01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:47,550
recognition. That's basic in all
of us. But perhaps because he's

1755
01:59:47,550 --> 01:59:51,300
had so little of it. The Negro
needs even more. He needs to

1756
01:59:51,300 --> 01:59:55,740
feel important and appreciated.
This need is a very real and

1757
01:59:55,740 --> 01:59:58,950
important. It shows up even in
many of the Negro shopping

1758
01:59:58,950 --> 02:00:03,030
habits Anyone who shows or wants
to sell to the Negro customer

1759
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,420
should know about some of these
habits. Three habits in

1760
02:00:06,420 --> 02:00:09,570
particular, play a big part in
every sales transaction.

1761
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:12,960
Adam Curry: Oh man, this is I'm
gonna just gonna guess that

1762
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:17,250
these three habits are, are used
to this day just guessing

1763
02:00:19,050 --> 02:00:23,190
Moe Factz: that would be a good
game. I want. He mentioned the

1764
02:00:23,190 --> 02:00:30,600
word psychology. So they sit
down and study. I'm sure they do

1765
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:37,620
most people, of course. But
specifically, the reason why I

1766
02:00:37,620 --> 02:00:42,630
use this clip is to show you
that they didn't want and I'm

1767
02:00:42,630 --> 02:00:46,620
gonna say that's the capital
they didn't want our music.

1768
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:52,110
Venturing over into their
children's ears is why they

1769
02:00:52,110 --> 02:00:56,520
built this wall up. But at the
same time they want their

1770
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:58,170
products and everything Yes.

1771
02:00:58,980 --> 02:01:01,110
Adam Curry: To the flower
community. Yes, of course,

1772
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:04,890
Moe Factz: to the point where
they come up with these three

1773
02:01:04,890 --> 02:01:09,300
strategies of how to sell to the
Negro and let's just see if they

1774
02:01:09,300 --> 02:01:11,730
still hold true to and 2023.

1775
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,540
Unknown: To begin with. Most
negros buy by brand, they ask

1776
02:01:15,540 --> 02:01:19,200
for products by name, they're
quick to turn down off brands

1777
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:23,730
buying by brand. That's the
first important legal buying

1778
02:01:23,730 --> 02:01:28,140
habits. Now for the second. When
ego buys good quality

1779
02:01:28,140 --> 02:01:31,890
merchandise, symbols of quality
and prestige are very important

1780
02:01:31,890 --> 02:01:35,400
for the Negro customer. This
woman, for example, is buying

1781
02:01:35,400 --> 02:01:39,660
fine crystal air, but she is
also buying the admiration and

1782
02:01:39,660 --> 02:01:42,600
approval of her friends and
relatives. Listen to her

1783
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,840
thoughts. Beautiful,

1784
02:01:46,860 --> 02:01:49,200
I can hardly wait to share with
the family. And

1785
02:01:50,670 --> 02:01:54,060
it's a well known fact that many
Negro customers are influenced

1786
02:01:54,090 --> 02:01:57,180
by the opinions of others, what
their friends may think of a

1787
02:01:57,180 --> 02:01:59,880
certain item often decides
whether or not the sale was

1788
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:04,620
made. So remember, when Negro
buys quality merchandise. That's

1789
02:02:04,620 --> 02:02:08,310
the second important point. And
here's the third thing to

1790
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:11,640
remember when selling to a negro
customer. When he specifically

1791
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:15,870
asks for one thing, don't try to
sell him something else. Don't

1792
02:02:15,870 --> 02:02:19,470
try to switch him at the point
of sale. If you do, he will

1793
02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:23,610
probably react something like
this. They think that the money

1794
02:02:23,610 --> 02:02:28,320
to pay for the Negro resents
being offered a substitute wants

1795
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:29,730
to be sold on quality.

1796
02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:31,740
Wow, Gucci.

1797
02:02:33,090 --> 02:02:37,740
Moe Factz: It Right. And Kaya
had a famous line to say we buy

1798
02:02:37,740 --> 02:02:44,400
stuff just to say you ain't up
on this. And that s Oh, almost

1799
02:02:44,430 --> 02:02:52,500
ingrained in hip hop like these
days. Oh, Jordans came out. Next

1800
02:02:52,500 --> 02:02:59,370
week. Yeah, you ain't got you
how do you get them next week?

1801
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:04,260
You know, like, but that that
goes to show that these

1802
02:03:04,260 --> 02:03:10,230
corporations understand how to
sell to us and how we will

1803
02:03:10,230 --> 02:03:17,640
receive being sold to so this is
why you have small artists on

1804
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:21,570
with big record labels. Even
though that regulator has a

1805
02:03:21,570 --> 02:03:27,270
track Are you saying I have a
track record? Oh, and I don't

1806
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:30,840
use word lightly but this is a
term used in music. Oh raping

1807
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:40,470
artists. You know Yeah, he got
that one broke now broke now

1808
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:45,360
broke now but it's Atlantic.
Yeah. Interscope. Yeah, what is?

1809
02:03:45,540 --> 02:03:51,090
Is Def Jam. Yeah, I signed the
no limit. What's that? No limit.

1810
02:03:54,510 --> 02:03:58,200
Yeah, even went no limit. They
had to come in and they made

1811
02:03:58,230 --> 02:04:03,090
Cash Money seem like
independent, like no limit was

1812
02:04:03,090 --> 02:04:07,590
but there was big money behind
them. Yeah. So this is why just,

1813
02:04:07,980 --> 02:04:11,610
it may seem crazy. Like why did
people keep falling for the same

1814
02:04:11,610 --> 02:04:16,860
thing? And it's that insecurity
and the need for recognition.

1815
02:04:17,460 --> 02:04:21,120
While artists sound with these
record labels, and while we buy

1816
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:24,960
their materials like who I've
never heard of him, I've never

1817
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:29,220
heard of that record label. I've
never heard of whoever I'm going

1818
02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:32,190
to sign at Def Jam. It's like
why would you do that? I mean,

1819
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:36,750
look at their track record
they've honestly, I would have

1820
02:04:36,750 --> 02:04:42,030
signed a major record deal. This
is why I've never ever planned

1821
02:04:42,030 --> 02:04:46,560
to sign a record deal. Ever I
said in a live show. One I'm not

1822
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:52,200
signing it's not my I don't
understand. And I know is way

1823
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:58,440
smarter people than me. This has
been gotten got by, um, by

1824
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,710
record deals. So why When I put
my name on something, were they

1825
02:05:01,710 --> 02:05:04,770
all my name image and likeness?
No, that's not going to happen.

1826
02:05:04,770 --> 02:05:09,900
But the fact that the way they
do it is, don't you want to sign

1827
02:05:09,900 --> 02:05:14,400
you know, with Def Jam that long
legacy? Now the LL Cool J Sure.

1828
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:18,180
You know, and that's the
recognition part of it, and they

1829
02:05:18,180 --> 02:05:22,110
know in your mind, how to play
that game to get you to sign.

1830
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:27,660
And then they also they use hip
hop, with brand recognition to

1831
02:05:27,660 --> 02:05:32,040
say, Oh, this is associated with
someone. So this is Drake. You

1832
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,520
know, Drake wears Jordans and
Nikes or whatever, you know,

1833
02:05:35,550 --> 02:05:40,110
cayenne, Adidas. Now, Adidas
needed Kanye morning and Kanye

1834
02:05:40,110 --> 02:05:44,070
needed Adidas. Did you see it
come crawling back? Did

1835
02:05:44,070 --> 02:05:46,110
Adam Curry: you see the Nike
movie?

1836
02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:49,230
Moe Factz: No, I didn't. You
gotta wait. No, they had a

1837
02:05:49,230 --> 02:05:49,590
movie.

1838
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:51,780
Adam Curry: Well, it's a movie
about Nike and how they signed

1839
02:05:51,780 --> 02:05:55,950
Jordan. So it's really about
Jordan and Nike, and how they

1840
02:05:56,220 --> 02:06:00,420
you know how they changed
sportswear. Because Jordan was

1841
02:06:00,420 --> 02:06:02,940
signed with adidas because
Adidas was cool. Everybody

1842
02:06:02,940 --> 02:06:05,730
wanted to be with Adidas. It
especially

1843
02:06:05,730 --> 02:06:08,760
Moe Factz: at the time with Run
DMC. Yeah, this is the

1844
02:06:08,760 --> 02:06:11,640
association. I mean, I don't
know. I haven't seen the movie.

1845
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:11,850
Well,

1846
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,340
Adam Curry: you need to see this
movie. You need to see this

1847
02:06:14,340 --> 02:06:15,900
movie. I am

1848
02:06:15,930 --> 02:06:18,900
Moe Factz: putting on the list.
You will love it. Yeah. But

1849
02:06:18,900 --> 02:06:23,250
that's that name recognition.
Yeah, Run DMC was associated

1850
02:06:23,250 --> 02:06:26,340
with my Adidas. Yeah, so it
would have been logical for

1851
02:06:26,340 --> 02:06:28,080
Jordan to sign with Adidas, but
it

1852
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,990
Adam Curry: was Jordans mom who
convinced them differently, but

1853
02:06:30,990 --> 02:06:34,950
only under the auspices that he
got a piece of every shoe sold

1854
02:06:35,820 --> 02:06:39,510
Moe Factz: as you're supposed to
Smith course. Of course, but

1855
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:42,240
which you know, the funny thing
is now when they sign these

1856
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:47,670
artists, the art is down to
science. Oh, yeah. They'll have

1857
02:06:47,670 --> 02:06:51,690
the artists there. The have the
pin in the contract in there.

1858
02:06:51,690 --> 02:06:55,080
Have you with your lawyer? Yeah,
they paired you with

1859
02:06:55,950 --> 02:06:56,850
Adam Curry: their lawyers, your

1860
02:06:56,850 --> 02:07:01,830
Moe Factz: lawyer. And he's like
they're sitting there am I gonna

1861
02:07:01,830 --> 02:07:06,210
sign or not? Yeah. And then you
saw your life who a mess. That's

1862
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:09,210
the you know, I'm signed now and
I never understood like what's

1863
02:07:09,210 --> 02:07:11,850
the point of being sign? I don't
I don't get it. This

1864
02:07:11,850 --> 02:07:14,460
Adam Curry: is the revolution
where we're right at the

1865
02:07:14,460 --> 02:07:18,120
forefront of value for value is
happening.

1866
02:07:18,930 --> 02:07:22,230
Moe Factz: Masterpiece said it
best. He said two things. He

1867
02:07:22,230 --> 02:07:27,870
said one, if they offer you 2
million you were four. Yeah. So

1868
02:07:27,870 --> 02:07:30,870
that's always remember to always
go to off you less than you're

1869
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:37,170
actually worth. And to say
15 50% can't pay my MF rent. So

1870
02:07:37,170 --> 02:07:42,210
it'd be like, you know, I'm not
gonna take a 15% deal. No, you

1871
02:07:42,210 --> 02:07:45,150
save 15% And give me 285. You do
my

1872
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:50,220
Adam Curry: 15 it's usually like
4% over retail. It's not even 15

1873
02:07:50,250 --> 02:07:52,320
is much less. It's horrible,
right?

1874
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:56,520
Moe Factz: So let's think we
wrapped up with the How to sales

1875
02:07:56,550 --> 02:08:00,360
just so we can get the mindset
of how corporations look at

1876
02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:05,280
black people how to sell tomb.
But as always, there's somebody

1877
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:08,730
that doesn't go along with the
program and I'm doing this is

1878
02:08:09,090 --> 02:08:15,000
some my favorite people, you
know, Barry Gordy with a mindset

1879
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:20,070
of, you know, honestly, the way
he ran Motown, it's kind of hard

1880
02:08:20,070 --> 02:08:23,880
do my show. I put the clip list
together and I'm very critical.

1881
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:26,910
You know, it's a it's a it's a
process.

1882
02:08:26,940 --> 02:08:31,740
Adam Curry: You have flow charts
and everything I know. I know

1883
02:08:31,740 --> 02:08:32,340
how you do it.

1884
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:37,500
Moe Factz: So that's the thing
and James Brown just just let

1885
02:08:37,500 --> 02:08:41,250
you know who the next clip is
about. Listen to how he was

1886
02:08:41,250 --> 02:08:45,180
speaking and how he felt about
independence.

1887
02:08:45,570 --> 02:08:47,940
Unknown: Brown is one of the
very few entertainers who

1888
02:08:47,940 --> 02:08:52,260
personally control his own
fortune at all. He's tyrannical

1889
02:08:52,260 --> 02:08:54,630
approach to his business affairs
has shown that a black

1890
02:08:54,630 --> 02:08:57,240
entertainers future we don't
have any never be confined to

1891
02:08:57,240 --> 02:09:02,760
singing and dancing for the
white market. In 1969, the

1892
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:05,970
United States National Business
league named him Businessman of

1893
02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:08,670
the Year, he was quoted as
earning $8 a

1894
02:09:08,670 --> 02:09:10,950
minute, the Lord's advisor.

1895
02:09:12,450 --> 02:09:16,500
He owns a fleet of 30 cars,
private jets, real estate and

1896
02:09:16,500 --> 02:09:17,400
radio stations.

1897
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:23,220
checks, guys money order
cashier's check such public

1898
02:09:23,220 --> 02:09:26,460
acquisition of well, my knighted
states has brought brown

1899
02:09:26,460 --> 02:09:29,880
inevitably into contact with
politics. Guys, Mike was in the

1900
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:32,820
late 60s That he encouraged
Black Enterprise he has

1901
02:09:33,150 --> 02:09:36,780
entertained troops in Vietnam,
dined with LBJ at the White

1902
02:09:36,780 --> 02:09:40,650
House, and old urged the ghetto
youths to distrust violence and

1903
02:09:40,650 --> 02:09:42,240
campaigned for Hubert Humphrey

1904
02:09:42,780 --> 02:09:45,480
and that's okay

1905
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,180
on his own and make up his own
mind Right

1906
02:10:01,140 --> 02:10:03,960
Adam Curry: yeah I feel I've
always felt that James Brown's

1907
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:09,300
legacy was kind of lost in
translation somewhere people

1908
02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:15,420
don't realize what he did and
and what he achieved on his own

1909
02:10:16,710 --> 02:10:20,040
it's somehow that just just got
lost I'm not I'm not I don't I

1910
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:20,250
think

1911
02:10:20,250 --> 02:10:22,620
Moe Factz: it wasn't intentional
because listening we were saying

1912
02:10:22,620 --> 02:10:27,270
the black man was his own thing.
No no no no no we want you to

1913
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:33,540
build something and sell it to
us. And they also ruined he

1914
02:10:33,540 --> 02:10:39,510
helped him ruin his image. Let's
talk about it on the backside of

1915
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:43,110
this clip because I find it okay
let me say it like this. What is

1916
02:10:43,110 --> 02:10:50,160
James Brown other than music
What is he known for? That but

1917
02:10:50,190 --> 02:10:51,540
being a drug addict right

1918
02:10:51,570 --> 02:10:56,100
Adam Curry: drug addict and he
any died during past plastic

1919
02:10:56,100 --> 02:11:00,090
surgery. Right but I would say
the person that detracted him

1920
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:03,630
that brought him down the most
which I which I don't I didn't

1921
02:11:03,630 --> 02:11:06,360
know it was intentional was
Eddie Murphy. I think what Eddie

1922
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:11,670
Murphy started doing James Brown
somehow that diminished his

1923
02:11:11,670 --> 02:11:14,820
stature. You might disagree

1924
02:11:16,020 --> 02:11:20,880
Moe Factz: I guess I can see
that I can see that because it

1925
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:24,090
became a punch line to Joe as it
become a punch line Yeah, that's

1926
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:31,080
never good for you overall image
but listen to this next clip and

1927
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:33,960
we're talking about on the
backside what is so

1928
02:11:35,070 --> 02:11:38,880
Unknown: for me it's my life it
was my opportunity it was my

1929
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:47,880
knock on the door it was my only
guarantee I had and still no

1930
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:52,260
guarantee cielo spiritual solace
to

1931
02:11:58,530 --> 02:11:59,400
soul as

1932
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:18,180
well didn't never seen a black
man do his act so darn it so

1933
02:12:18,180 --> 02:12:21,840
precise and usually about class

1934
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:32,610
last a class I mean understand
the system not have anything to

1935
02:12:32,610 --> 02:12:35,820
take into account mas which I
don't have whiskey bottles and

1936
02:12:35,820 --> 02:12:40,320
things. Like a lot of
entertainers, I have a lot of

1937
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:45,840
drugs Ranma stable. I try to
dress everybody by their last

1938
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:54,840
name. Use words Mr. And all that
would project even on state and

1939
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,290
needed I was trying to come a
different type of

1940
02:13:01,650 --> 02:13:06,870
Moe Factz: now out of his mouth,
not a lot of alcohol around him.

1941
02:13:08,370 --> 02:13:12,780
Not a lot of drugs around him.
But how did he image become

1942
02:13:12,780 --> 02:13:20,010
synonymous with being a drug
addict? That is a CNN I didn't

1943
02:13:20,010 --> 02:13:21,540
know because I didn't add it in
here. Because I mean,

1944
02:13:21,540 --> 02:13:24,510
everybody's familiar with it.
There's I think a CNN or

1945
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:29,550
headline news interview where
he's gone. Have you seen that?

1946
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,740
Have you seen the interview
before? It's I mean, it's pretty

1947
02:13:31,740 --> 02:13:34,410
classic. I mean, I mean level?

1948
02:13:34,530 --> 02:13:35,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, probably.

1949
02:13:36,540 --> 02:13:37,710
Unknown: Yeah. So

1950
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:43,260
Moe Factz: I just find that
weird how his image is taught so

1951
02:13:43,260 --> 02:13:47,100
tied to drills but in that he's
saying that he does everything

1952
02:13:47,100 --> 02:13:51,720
with class. And drugs is not a
part of it.

1953
02:13:53,220 --> 02:13:54,780
Adam Curry: I have a James Brown
story.

1954
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:56,760
Unknown: Please share

1955
02:13:57,300 --> 02:14:06,330
Adam Curry: 1982 I visited so I
was not an MTV I was I was

1956
02:14:11,970 --> 02:14:16,950
82 or 83. I was visiting a
friend of mine who I had a

1957
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:22,080
manager and him and my manager
as a disc jockey in Holland. And

1958
02:14:22,110 --> 02:14:26,880
he had a band called time
bandits and they were being

1959
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:30,570
produced by Dan Hartman. Dan
Hartman. I can dream about you

1960
02:14:31,260 --> 02:14:32,700
didn't know Dan Hartman at all.

1961
02:14:33,090 --> 02:14:37,350
Moe Factz: No, I can dream about
you. You might have heard. I've

1962
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:38,280
heard that song before.

1963
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:43,680
Adam Curry: Wow, I really nailed
it too. And he had a writing

1964
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:47,040
partner, Charlie midnight, and
they were writing for Nona.

1965
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:52,050
Hendryx. And I think I think
they they might have written a

1966
02:14:52,050 --> 02:14:57,480
song for Tina Turner. And so he
was also producing the time

1967
02:14:57,480 --> 02:15:02,100
bandits and so I was invited to
come along. and hang out and he

1968
02:15:02,100 --> 02:15:07,260
had a recording studio at his
dad died. He died of AIDS, a

1969
02:15:07,260 --> 02:15:10,680
movie 10 years after that. And
he had a recording studio in

1970
02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:17,190
Connecticut at his house. And
they wrote live in in America.

1971
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:23,370
And so I'm hanging out there
James Brown comes in. And let me

1972
02:15:23,370 --> 02:15:28,260
tell you, so this is 1982 or 83.
I can't remember exactly. He was

1973
02:15:28,890 --> 02:15:33,780
together. He and I've been worn
No Cussing. No Cussing around

1974
02:15:33,780 --> 02:15:37,920
James. No, no, no, no. And he
you know, because he's like,

1975
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:41,340
super, super Christian, super
religious, doesn't want any

1976
02:15:41,340 --> 02:15:46,500
cussing, to walk right out. And
he knew exactly what he wanted

1977
02:15:46,500 --> 02:15:50,910
to do. I saw nothing but a
professional, who was just there

1978
02:15:50,910 --> 02:15:55,140
to work with other professionals
and do a great recording. And he

1979
02:15:55,140 --> 02:15:58,770
was one of the most and I was
literally like, nice to meet

1980
02:15:58,770 --> 02:16:01,560
you, Mr. Brown. That's it.
Right? I had no interaction. But

1981
02:16:01,590 --> 02:16:06,540
he was impressive. So nothing at
all, like the image of you know,

1982
02:16:06,900 --> 02:16:11,490
the drunk the drug, the druggie,
the whatever I mean, the end,

1983
02:16:11,700 --> 02:16:15,360
everyone was on their toes.
Like, you know, this is James we

1984
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:18,930
got it. We got to buckle up, we
got to be really tight. No miss

1985
02:16:18,930 --> 02:16:20,670
and no slip ups. No mishaps,

1986
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:30,960
Moe Factz: you may mention about
Eddie Murphy, and his imitation

1987
02:16:31,650 --> 02:16:37,080
of James Brown. I think James
Brown hurt himself the most,

1988
02:16:37,590 --> 02:16:42,990
because he stayed around too
long. Possible. Instead, not in

1989
02:16:42,990 --> 02:16:48,180
a negative way. But sometimes,
you know, the, it's kind of like

1990
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:53,580
an athlete. Right? Sometimes you
can stay on the field too long.

1991
02:16:54,300 --> 02:16:58,980
And you're, it's amazing that
you still can't compete at that

1992
02:16:58,980 --> 02:17:04,830
level at that age, but it
tarnishes your legacy, something

1993
02:17:04,830 --> 02:17:07,590
like about Jordan, you know,
like Jordan would have stopped

1994
02:17:07,590 --> 02:17:12,180
that the second set of three
rings, his legacy, his legacy

1995
02:17:12,180 --> 02:17:18,660
will be way huger. If that's the
word then coming back with the

1996
02:17:18,660 --> 02:17:21,330
wizards now that was a
businessman, we understand it,

1997
02:17:21,870 --> 02:17:26,640
but it's like, ah, you know,
like, Yeah, him in the wizards

1998
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:30,930
uniform and looking older and
that kind of thing. Right? It

1999
02:17:30,930 --> 02:17:31,410
hurt.

2000
02:17:31,469 --> 02:17:33,929
Adam Curry: Right? Well, he
really he should have got I mean

2001
02:17:33,929 --> 02:17:37,979
that living in America that was
in Rocky for I want

2002
02:17:37,979 --> 02:17:41,069
Moe Factz: to say four. Yeah.
Oh, man like that. That's where

2003
02:17:41,069 --> 02:17:41,429
he should have

2004
02:17:41,430 --> 02:17:43,080
Adam Curry: stopped. That's
where he should have bowed out

2005
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:46,410
because he hadn't had to hit for
10 years at that point. So when

2006
02:17:46,410 --> 02:17:49,530
he had lived in America, and it
was you know, everyone loved it.

2007
02:17:49,530 --> 02:17:53,820
It was great. The movie was
great. And that should have been

2008
02:17:53,820 --> 02:17:57,690
it because yeah, I mean, also,
you know, that immediate change,

2009
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:01,500
it was just much easier to make,
you know, he could have gone a

2010
02:18:01,500 --> 02:18:05,190
lot he could have done anyway.
No, bhajan burgeoned,

2011
02:18:05,909 --> 02:18:11,099
Moe Factz: but his legacy will
never, ever be tarnished from

2012
02:18:11,099 --> 02:18:16,739
the fact that he is the
foundation of hip hop. Maybe

2013
02:18:16,769 --> 02:18:24,239
arguably the original hip hop,
MC. You listen to a big payback.

2014
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:30,599
Yeah. You listen to these songs.
Will you listen to any of the

2015
02:18:30,599 --> 02:18:35,399
songs that were sampled? The
fact that the Funky Drummer was

2016
02:18:35,399 --> 02:18:41,249
us infinite amount of times and
early Hip Hop yeah you know, I

2017
02:18:41,249 --> 02:18:44,849
could have went down that road
but like I said, this other

2018
02:18:44,849 --> 02:18:47,789
people could tell their story
Yeah, that's not the story I

2019
02:18:47,789 --> 02:18:53,189
want to tell I want to tell
James Brown was that man and to

2020
02:18:53,189 --> 02:18:59,009
be label the hardest working man
in show biz man, anything as a

2021
02:18:59,009 --> 02:19:03,299
black man where your identity is
tied those laziness and

2022
02:19:03,299 --> 02:19:07,259
slothfulness you know saying to
be the hardest work of making a

2023
02:19:07,259 --> 02:19:11,699
certain amount of money every
minute and every and he's the

2024
02:19:12,029 --> 02:19:13,739
consummate professional.

2025
02:19:14,190 --> 02:19:16,350
Adam Curry: That's that's,
that's what I saw. I saw the

2026
02:19:16,350 --> 02:19:17,430
consummate professional.

2027
02:19:18,239 --> 02:19:21,389
Moe Factz: So you can never take
that away from you know, I mean,

2028
02:19:21,389 --> 02:19:23,879
LeBron is going through this
thing too, with the stand around

2029
02:19:23,879 --> 02:19:26,939
too long. You know, it's
sometimes you just have to go

2030
02:19:26,969 --> 02:19:29,759
and I understand that you. If
you got life in your body, you

2031
02:19:29,759 --> 02:19:34,619
don't want to give it up. But
sometime a game pass you by. But

2032
02:19:35,099 --> 02:19:39,989
he's impacted hip hop,
undeniable but the clout that he

2033
02:19:39,989 --> 02:19:47,069
had in the 60s. This is a clip
of him around. I don't know. Let

2034
02:19:47,069 --> 02:19:53,099
me slow that down. I want to get
into setting up set the stage

2035
02:19:53,099 --> 02:19:56,249
for what was happening in the
60s, the time all the

2036
02:19:56,249 --> 02:20:00,899
assassinations. Yeah. So this is
Martin Luther King. I'm speaking

2037
02:20:00,929 --> 02:20:05,489
on Malcolm X's assassination.
And the way these assassinations

2038
02:20:05,489 --> 02:20:09,929
were done in the order they were
done lends to the fact that it

2039
02:20:09,929 --> 02:20:17,519
was one big. I don't want to
say, plan. But the order and who

2040
02:20:17,519 --> 02:20:21,449
was taken out and before who?
Because you can't take Martin

2041
02:20:21,449 --> 02:20:24,749
out before you take Malcolm out?
No, that's right. That's our

2042
02:20:24,749 --> 02:20:26,969
recipe for disaster.

2043
02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:29,580
Adam Curry: And Malcolm would
have been gotten pretty radical.

2044
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:35,430
Moe Factz: And and when people
got radical, and he would have

2045
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:39,090
said, they were justify, he
wouldn't I want you to hear,

2046
02:20:39,300 --> 02:20:44,640
right. I want you to hear Martin
Luther King's take on Malcolm X

2047
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,860
assassination cover going
somewhere. This I gotta I gotta

2048
02:20:46,860 --> 02:20:48,150
lay some stuff out. 25?

2049
02:20:48,510 --> 02:20:54,720
Unknown: Well, I think we have
to agree that this appears to be

2050
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:59,580
the result of an internal
conflict within the black

2051
02:20:59,580 --> 02:21:02,760
nationalist movement. So the
first thing,

2052
02:21:03,780 --> 02:21:04,800
Moe Factz: let me translate.

2053
02:21:06,090 --> 02:21:09,180
Adam Curry: See, this appears to
be CIA, FBI didn't kill

2054
02:21:09,179 --> 02:21:12,659
Moe Factz: him. This appears to
be black on black crime. Yeah,

2055
02:21:12,659 --> 02:21:13,229
that's exactly

2056
02:21:13,229 --> 02:21:15,569
Adam Curry: what he's saying.
Yes, I can tell you

2057
02:21:16,170 --> 02:21:21,150
Unknown: that needs to be done
is for a conference of goodwill

2058
02:21:21,150 --> 02:21:25,050
to take place between black
nationalist leaders. This was

2059
02:21:25,050 --> 02:21:29,370
why I suggested a few days ago,
that the followers of the late

2060
02:21:29,370 --> 02:21:34,110
Malcolm X and the followers of
Elijah Muhammad should sit down

2061
02:21:34,140 --> 02:21:38,370
at the peace table together, so
to speak, and discuss this

2062
02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:43,200
problem and try to reach some
understanding. I don't think I'm

2063
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:49,110
sure that nothing can be
accomplished by violence. It

2064
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:53,070
only leads to new and more
complex social problems. I think

2065
02:21:53,070 --> 02:21:58,500
it is unfortunate. For the black
nationalist movement, I think it

2066
02:21:58,500 --> 02:22:01,740
is unfortunate for the health of
our nation.

2067
02:22:02,969 --> 02:22:05,249
Adam Curry: Now who got blamed
for this publicly,

2068
02:22:06,660 --> 02:22:11,190
Moe Factz: it was a nation it
was a nation of Islam. Members,

2069
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:14,880
that story, the narrative and
you see now they're coming back

2070
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:17,430
and say, Oh, it didn't happen
like that. And the guys that

2071
02:22:17,430 --> 02:22:20,880
were convicted, really didn't do
it. But the narrative around it

2072
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:28,920
was Malcolm Mack disrespected
Elijah Muhammad, by outing him

2073
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:34,860
and going to the media, outing,
Elijah Muhammad for him dealing

2074
02:22:34,860 --> 02:22:40,860
with young girls, off code,
right, but when you speak

2075
02:22:40,860 --> 02:22:46,950
against God in the flesh, and
that's how most members at the

2076
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:51,870
time of the nation is now looked
at Elijah Muhammad, that was

2077
02:22:51,900 --> 02:22:55,710
that was asking for death. Now,
I know I'm about to upset a lot

2078
02:22:55,710 --> 02:23:00,090
of people which I had to put
things in proper context. When

2079
02:23:00,090 --> 02:23:05,310
you take an oath, and at the
time, not only was the Nation of

2080
02:23:05,340 --> 02:23:10,770
Islam, your religion. At the
upper realms, there was a

2081
02:23:11,130 --> 02:23:16,650
fraternal orders. You know, when
you're in a fraternity, there

2082
02:23:16,650 --> 02:23:22,050
are certain codes of secrecy
that you're held to. Um, I think

2083
02:23:22,050 --> 02:23:25,200
Malcolm understood this. Now you
can say that evening says he's

2084
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:32,700
even more brave, you know, to
know what he was facing, because

2085
02:23:32,730 --> 02:23:35,940
he even said himself. If
somebody said what he said about

2086
02:23:35,940 --> 02:23:40,290
Elijah Muhammad, he would take
their life. So we had to put

2087
02:23:40,290 --> 02:23:44,220
things in the proper context.
But I'm going to let you know

2088
02:23:44,220 --> 02:23:47,520
we're going to cover this on
another show. Oh, because there

2089
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:51,600
were there were bigger hands in
play. I didn't know i'll just

2090
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:55,560
put a period there. But the
point I played, the reason why I

2091
02:23:55,560 --> 02:24:02,010
played this was the black youth
will say, Okay, we understand.

2092
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,880
Malcolm was killed by other
black people. So we're not going

2093
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:11,100
to riot we're not going to tear
up cities. And he was not

2094
02:24:11,100 --> 02:24:16,320
preaching non violence like
Martin Luther King, then Mr.

2095
02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:19,110
Nonviolence No, no say that
disrespectfully, but that was

2096
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:24,930
his brand. ends up being shot
and killed. Right. And James

2097
02:24:24,930 --> 02:24:32,250
Brown. This is James Brown. It
was on his YouTube channel. This

2098
02:24:32,250 --> 02:24:37,770
is his reaction to the
assassination of Martin Luther

2099
02:24:37,770 --> 02:24:39,360
King and also the news report.

2100
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:47,100
Unknown: This is a CBS News
Special Report. Memphis is a

2101
02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:51,150
confused and shocked city
tonight. No one can believe what

2102
02:24:51,150 --> 02:24:51,660
has happened.

2103
02:24:56,070 --> 02:25:01,140
He was standing on the balcony
of tomato Andy came out of his

2104
02:25:01,140 --> 02:25:05,160
room and came to the edge of the
balcony. And as he came out we

2105
02:25:05,160 --> 02:25:06,030
shot the

2106
02:25:07,109 --> 02:25:12,809
fourth we just got it's fatal. I
beg your pardon. We just got the

2107
02:25:12,809 --> 02:25:16,589
report that it's fatal. But the
shine was the wounds.

2108
02:25:17,459 --> 02:25:21,569
I have some very sad news for
all of you and people who love

2109
02:25:21,839 --> 02:25:26,909
peace all over the world. And
that is that Martin Luther King

2110
02:25:27,119 --> 02:25:28,709
was shot and was killed tonight

2111
02:25:43,650 --> 02:25:51,870
three America is shocked and
saddened by the brutal slaying

2112
02:25:51,870 --> 02:25:55,230
tonight of Dr. Martin Luther
King

2113
02:25:56,010 --> 02:26:00,810
Martin died April 4 1968.
Something died in black people

2114
02:26:00,810 --> 02:26:05,580
every soul we got over this 40
years.

2115
02:26:08,729 --> 02:26:14,909
Moe Factz: Okay, so that was not
the Coronel were speaking at the

2116
02:26:14,909 --> 02:26:18,629
end there. He says something
died. I don't think something

2117
02:26:18,629 --> 02:26:22,649
died. Or you can look at it that
way. What happened would and I

2118
02:26:22,649 --> 02:26:27,419
can I'm just putting myself in
no shoes at that time. And

2119
02:26:27,419 --> 02:26:31,019
please do me cover your kids
ears. But that's when the Fuckit

2120
02:26:31,019 --> 02:26:40,199
mode came in. It is like you
killed Malcolm. Right. Then now

2121
02:26:40,199 --> 02:26:43,109
violent, Martin Luther King and
you and you say I'll kick you.

2122
02:26:43,139 --> 02:26:46,949
Okay, black that was black on
black violence as they tried to

2123
02:26:46,949 --> 02:26:51,809
payment to be explained Mr.
Martin Luther King. He was non

2124
02:26:51,809 --> 02:26:55,289
violent. He wouldn't even fight
back. Well, you were attacking

2125
02:26:55,289 --> 02:27:00,869
him. And you killed him. Oh,
it's Oh, now. And what happened

2126
02:27:00,869 --> 02:27:09,629
was was a huge amount of rioting
and burning of not very smart or

2127
02:27:09,629 --> 02:27:12,839
burning your own stuff up. But
what do I really own in this

2128
02:27:12,839 --> 02:27:15,659
country? Right. That's the
market, put myself in their

2129
02:27:15,659 --> 02:27:21,479
shoes and say, Yeah, eff it,
burn it all up. But just to show

2130
02:27:21,479 --> 02:27:23,579
the cloud that James Brown had

2131
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:26,220
Adam Curry: was that saying, Say
it loud? Was this that the song

2132
02:27:26,220 --> 02:27:27,090
he was singing? They're

2133
02:27:27,959 --> 02:27:31,889
Moe Factz: not as another song.
Okay. But what my point is this

2134
02:27:31,919 --> 02:27:38,699
is that this youth You know, you
take out their leaders, you

2135
02:27:38,699 --> 02:27:44,819
know, you can't you killed Sam
Cooke. Okay. Then you killed

2136
02:27:44,819 --> 02:27:49,709
Malcolm B. You killed Martin,
you know, as a young person. You

2137
02:27:49,709 --> 02:27:54,389
saw what George Floyd? Yeah,
just one. Yeah. Yeah, one person

2138
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:58,919
that we didn't even know. And
you saw that I imagine somebody

2139
02:27:58,919 --> 02:28:03,179
that you seen on the television,
aren't they? I could equate that

2140
02:28:03,179 --> 02:28:08,879
to is maybe Obama. Yeah. You
know, I mean of stature and

2141
02:28:08,879 --> 02:28:09,599
status.

2142
02:28:10,139 --> 02:28:11,819
Adam Curry: You know, just for
Matt Harrison. Just for

2143
02:28:11,819 --> 02:28:13,799
comparison executives for
comparison

2144
02:28:13,799 --> 02:28:23,009
Moe Factz: of clout in
notoriety, you know, and just of

2145
02:28:23,009 --> 02:28:28,619
being recognized, and to be non
violent, and you're just killing

2146
02:28:28,619 --> 02:28:32,759
one after another after another
and the young people are like,

2147
02:28:32,909 --> 02:28:36,599
eff it. You know what, burn it
up. I don't care if it's mine

2148
02:28:36,599 --> 02:28:40,739
burn it up. But I say this to
say like you were saying about

2149
02:28:40,739 --> 02:28:46,169
James Brown and his clout. The
fact that James Brown could say

2150
02:28:46,169 --> 02:28:50,639
Boston is amazing 27.

2151
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:15,030
Unknown: If you are tuned in to
WGBH, expecting to catch

2152
02:29:15,090 --> 02:29:18,480
Laurence Olivier's production of
Chekhov's Uncle Vanya, you were

2153
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:21,150
probably more than a little
surprised to see James Brown

2154
02:29:21,150 --> 02:29:23,700
tearing up the stage of the
Boston Garden.

2155
02:29:36,780 --> 02:29:40,470
In Boston that night, it was
like when the Beatles were on Ed

2156
02:29:40,470 --> 02:29:43,470
Sullivan. I mean, it was a
monumental event.

2157
02:29:43,770 --> 02:29:47,040
During the first hour. It was so
clear from the reports coming in

2158
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:52,590
from the police. That this
concert was like magic the city

2159
02:29:52,590 --> 02:29:57,420
was was quieter than it would
have been on an ordinary Friday

2160
02:29:57,420 --> 02:30:01,230
night. Never, never, never mind.
The big problem was there was

2161
02:30:01,230 --> 02:30:03,420
nothing happening. Nobody was on
the street.

2162
02:30:03,629 --> 02:30:05,789
Adam Curry: And this this I know
because this is broadcast

2163
02:30:05,789 --> 02:30:09,809
history. This is because they
televised it. They televised the

2164
02:30:09,809 --> 02:30:15,389
concert. Yes, that's That's why
everyone was at home watching

2165
02:30:15,389 --> 02:30:15,569
it.

2166
02:30:17,639 --> 02:30:19,679
Moe Factz: To save the city.
Yeah.

2167
02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:21,480
Unknown: And it worked.

2168
02:30:24,030 --> 02:30:26,700
Moe Factz: So does that mean
that all the clip? Yeah, that

2169
02:30:26,700 --> 02:30:31,470
yeah, that ended there. Okay, so
what what we witnessed is the

2170
02:30:31,470 --> 02:30:37,920
precursor to what we talked
about in this show 17 of rioting

2171
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:39,180
in the theaters.

2172
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:45,720
Unknown: These films, they help
quell those riots. Because

2173
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:47,940
remember, we had the Kerner
Commission study and why we had

2174
02:30:47,940 --> 02:30:53,550
all these riots. These films
helped to calm that down. I

2175
02:30:53,550 --> 02:30:59,760
called it rioting in the movie
theaters. Because all of our

2176
02:30:59,790 --> 02:31:05,910
anger and our anks we were able
to meet and seeing people who

2177
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:10,830
look like us kick the white
man's behind. And what was the

2178
02:31:10,830 --> 02:31:16,380
subtitle of blaxploitation get
Whitey for every drop of black

2179
02:31:16,380 --> 02:31:21,240
blood spilled? A white man pays.
He had a plan to stick it to the

2180
02:31:21,240 --> 02:31:28,830
man, the man see, we were
beating the man. And so I call

2181
02:31:28,830 --> 02:31:35,310
it rioting in the movie theater.
Because this was writing without

2182
02:31:35,790 --> 02:31:39,990
destroying anything. It was a
catharsis for us.

2183
02:31:40,170 --> 02:31:45,540
Adam Curry: I forgot all about
that. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 17

2184
02:31:45,540 --> 02:31:49,980
Sure, sure. And go into a black
movie theater is always an

2185
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:50,730
experience.

2186
02:31:53,400 --> 02:31:57,450
Moe Factz: But the point is that
they realize, oh, we put

2187
02:31:57,450 --> 02:32:05,910
something on television or the
movie screen that shows them no

2188
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:09,480
matter what they're doing on
that screen. And no matter how

2189
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:13,980
it makes us live, we read them
do that because the the rioting

2190
02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:17,640
that they're talking about from
show 17 was the Martin Luther

2191
02:32:17,640 --> 02:32:24,180
King riots. So they realize is
like okay, we can we Okay, all

2192
02:32:24,180 --> 02:32:29,730
right. We can give them movies,
we can give them rap music. We

2193
02:32:29,730 --> 02:32:32,970
can let them show guns and talk
about how bad they are. How

2194
02:32:32,970 --> 02:32:33,750
tough they are.

2195
02:32:34,770 --> 02:32:37,020
Adam Curry: Get right, stick it
to the man

2196
02:32:37,530 --> 02:32:39,480
Moe Factz: who wanted the
biggest Hip Hop movie. Whoa,

2197
02:32:39,510 --> 02:32:47,370
who's the man? Yeah, Dre. I love
ya. So this is that okay, we can

2198
02:32:47,370 --> 02:32:53,550
let them roll play cause play
and it takes the it takes the

2199
02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:58,110
sting out of it. And then we can
select who we want to put on on

2200
02:32:58,110 --> 02:33:03,360
the screen. We can make their
heroes for not saying James

2201
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:06,030
Brown was that way but they
learned something from that like

2202
02:33:06,030 --> 02:33:09,720
whoa, hold on. There was less
crime than it normally is.

2203
02:33:10,530 --> 02:33:14,580
That's all it took was puts it
but what we see now is rioting

2204
02:33:14,580 --> 02:33:15,750
on your timeline.

2205
02:33:16,620 --> 02:33:17,550
Adam Curry: Yeah, controlled.

2206
02:33:18,840 --> 02:33:23,370
Moe Factz: This is where all I'm
gonna go down the hate tweet.

2207
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:27,990
All sides, right. You're looking
at looking for a scout. You

2208
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:30,390
know, everybody's looking for a
scout. Yeah, I think you

2209
02:33:30,390 --> 02:33:33,900
mentioned something. There was a
Twitter replacement is not

2210
02:33:33,900 --> 02:33:37,380
Macedon. But sky blue or
something like them sky blue sky

2211
02:33:37,410 --> 02:33:41,820
blue sky. And you said that it
wasn't successful? Cuz you

2212
02:33:41,820 --> 02:33:45,480
couldn't retweet? No, that was
that was actually Mastodon you

2213
02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:49,230
couldn't call us tweet? Right,
which we call it ducking,

2214
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:54,210
dunking. Yeah. Which is rioting
on the Timeline. Let me find

2215
02:33:54,210 --> 02:33:58,500
somebody and make a victim out
of them. Yeah. So they

2216
02:33:58,500 --> 02:34:01,860
understand how this whole thing
wrapped up is okay. And

2217
02:34:01,860 --> 02:34:04,470
sometimes you got to let them go
out in the streets and give them

2218
02:34:04,470 --> 02:34:09,570
bricks you know, and let them
let off a little steam. No,

2219
02:34:09,630 --> 02:34:12,060
Adam Curry: they completely
completely controlled and like

2220
02:34:12,090 --> 02:34:16,830
the Floyd stuff was, you know,
it was during a pandemic. It's

2221
02:34:16,830 --> 02:34:19,290
okay, go ahead. It's fine. Go
for it.

2222
02:34:19,889 --> 02:34:22,229
Moe Factz: Right and then come
on back in and find somebody

2223
02:34:22,229 --> 02:34:26,069
they all hate this person on
social media and let's all find

2224
02:34:26,069 --> 02:34:28,859
somebody and drag them that's
another word. Let's drag them

2225
02:34:29,729 --> 02:34:35,039
and this is the rioting on the
timeline. Um, but what happened

2226
02:34:35,039 --> 02:34:40,319
out of this is the youth stop
looking for older people to beat

2227
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:44,609
a leaders race because it's like
all this peace talk and upset it

2228
02:34:44,609 --> 02:34:49,259
on here. I'm sorry. But if you
hurt one of my family members, I

2229
02:34:49,259 --> 02:34:54,119
ain't I ain't trying to hear no
peace and by forgive you will

2230
02:34:54,119 --> 02:34:57,989
get to forgiveness later me and
Jesus work that out. You know,

2231
02:34:58,019 --> 02:35:03,569
I'm just telling you I I'm Old
Testament alpha i kind of guy.

2232
02:35:04,169 --> 02:35:10,229
Because that's justice to me. If
you take something for me,

2233
02:35:10,289 --> 02:35:14,159
something needs to take it for
you. But it's become socially

2234
02:35:14,189 --> 02:35:20,579
expected to all your family
first of all, peace and peace.

2235
02:35:21,299 --> 02:35:24,149
All we paid for by forgiving
them already. The body still

2236
02:35:24,149 --> 02:35:29,069
warm, I forgive them already.
No, that's not how this works.

2237
02:35:29,129 --> 02:35:33,449
And what you have happen is you
have somebody like Fred Hampton,

2238
02:35:33,629 --> 02:35:37,259
and the Black Law on Black
Panther Party rise to the top.

2239
02:35:37,409 --> 02:35:42,359
And this is Fred Hampton for
October 9 1969. I think he was

2240
02:35:42,359 --> 02:35:47,729
killed and December 4 1969 was a
few months before his death. And

2241
02:35:47,729 --> 02:35:49,859
we were I noticed this my
birthday and you're saying 11

2242
02:35:49,859 --> 02:35:55,439
years before my birthday was
died and he died on um, but I

2243
02:35:55,439 --> 02:36:00,449
want you to hear the switch from
the Malcolm X and the Martin

2244
02:36:00,449 --> 02:36:04,529
Luther King to the Fred Hampton
and you're going to hear Hip Hop

2245
02:36:04,559 --> 02:36:07,409
coming out of his mouth, not the
beat, but you're going to hear

2246
02:36:07,619 --> 02:36:11,429
that vibe, but we talked about
in 93 that energy that higher

2247
02:36:11,459 --> 02:36:15,329
infinite power, being you know,
flowing out of him 28

2248
02:36:15,360 --> 02:36:18,180
Unknown: bread, where does the
Black Panther Party stand

2249
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:20,550
concerning the weatherman, the
SDS,

2250
02:36:21,299 --> 02:36:25,709
we stand way back from SDS, the
weatherman, because we believe

2251
02:36:25,709 --> 02:36:28,739
that the weatherman actually has
two axes rim to the weatherman,

2252
02:36:28,859 --> 02:36:32,009
we think they call them both
national x and we painted rim to

2253
02:36:32,009 --> 02:36:34,619
his national action with a man
has national reaction, you know,

2254
02:36:34,859 --> 02:36:37,769
we think it is an artistic
opportunist, the individualistic

2255
02:36:37,769 --> 02:36:42,269
is chauvinistic. turistic. And
that's the bad part about this

2256
02:36:42,269 --> 02:36:45,299
customer stick in that is,
leaders take people into

2257
02:36:45,299 --> 02:36:47,609
situations where people can be
massacred, and they call it

2258
02:36:47,609 --> 02:36:50,699
revolution is nothing but
child's play is folly. And it's

2259
02:36:50,699 --> 02:36:53,819
criminal because people can be
heard, we see that they're doing

2260
02:36:53,819 --> 02:36:56,969
exactly what the pigs want them
to do when they take people down

2261
02:36:56,969 --> 02:37:00,359
and just do nothing play around
and the pigs are prepared for

2262
02:37:00,359 --> 02:37:02,999
this and they wipe all of those
young people out. We think these

2263
02:37:02,999 --> 02:37:05,639
people may be sincere, but
they're misguided the metalheads

2264
02:37:05,639 --> 02:37:08,159
in the scatterbrains the only
way we can show them is to

2265
02:37:08,159 --> 02:37:10,679
criticize and like we're doing
right now. I mean, leave me and

2266
02:37:10,679 --> 02:37:13,199
go to the Federal Bureau and
have a demonstration that's the

2267
02:37:13,199 --> 02:37:17,099
educated demonstration that is
disciplined and organized. And

2268
02:37:17,099 --> 02:37:18,719
that's we're gonna have to do
let them see the exam

2269
02:37:18,870 --> 02:37:19,950
Adam Curry: early Chuck D.

2270
02:37:21,959 --> 02:37:22,919
Unknown: And

2271
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:28,380
Moe Factz: Beiter have of his
was Jesse Jackson. Yeah, yes, of

2272
02:37:28,380 --> 02:37:32,790
course. Jesse kind of played
that role between Malcolm

2273
02:37:32,910 --> 02:37:38,010
misgiving between Martin and
Hampton with the you know, with

2274
02:37:38,010 --> 02:37:43,530
the Ryman but then he also had
he came up through Alpha

2275
02:37:43,560 --> 02:37:50,340
piggybacking off from a Martin.
So you hear now, it's the next

2276
02:37:50,340 --> 02:37:53,520
clip. And this is the beautiful
thing about with the internet,

2277
02:37:54,060 --> 02:37:57,570
because they leave the outtakes
in when they posted stuff online

2278
02:37:57,570 --> 02:38:01,200
on YouTube and stuff. So now we
get to hear had an immediate?

2279
02:38:01,860 --> 02:38:03,720
Can you do that one more time?
kind of

2280
02:38:05,070 --> 02:38:06,810
Adam Curry: ask the question
again. Can you answer one more

2281
02:38:06,810 --> 02:38:09,690
time but just say this 29

2282
02:38:09,720 --> 02:38:12,570
Unknown: Tell me why you feel
the approach of the SDS

2283
02:38:12,570 --> 02:38:14,040
weatherman is wrong.

2284
02:38:14,430 --> 02:38:17,430
I feel it is wrong. Just that
said before.

2285
02:38:18,690 --> 02:38:20,730
Just just said before, that's
why I asked you again just

2286
02:38:20,940 --> 02:38:24,090
answered straight was in case we
use this part. Let's see. Let me

2287
02:38:24,090 --> 02:38:28,050
ask again. Why do you feel that
the approach of the SDS

2288
02:38:28,050 --> 02:38:29,550
weatherman is the wrong
approach?

2289
02:38:29,849 --> 02:38:33,629
I feel that it's wrong because
it's being you're doing exactly

2290
02:38:33,629 --> 02:38:36,689
what the people want them to do.
The leading people into a

2291
02:38:36,689 --> 02:38:40,949
situation that is astronomical
situation too great for the

2292
02:38:40,949 --> 02:38:43,469
people to deal with. It's a
situation where you got a bunch

2293
02:38:43,469 --> 02:38:47,309
of mechanical pigs with 357
magnums and shot guns and

2294
02:38:47,309 --> 02:38:49,829
mechanical maze and all that
type of thing. And then they're

2295
02:38:49,829 --> 02:38:52,319
talking about they're going to
carry on a revolutionary

2296
02:38:52,319 --> 02:38:54,839
struggle. That's not a
revolution. It's insanity. It's

2297
02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:57,959
madness this nostalgia and is
the master but this was

2298
02:38:57,959 --> 02:39:00,389
potential massacre. That's what
it is. We don't support that.

2299
02:39:00,539 --> 02:39:03,299
We've got we've said our power
to the people all the power was

2300
02:39:03,299 --> 02:39:05,819
manifested in the people we
don't have any people whose

2301
02:39:05,849 --> 02:39:08,759
lives we believe that should be
thrown away to

2302
02:39:10,770 --> 02:39:13,860
Moe Factz: nothing he was on the
night 21 I believe Oh, really?

2303
02:39:13,889 --> 02:39:15,629
Unknown: Oh, oh, wow. Yeah,

2304
02:39:15,629 --> 02:39:20,159
Moe Factz: he was very young.
Very young based now they said

2305
02:39:20,159 --> 02:39:26,969
no, he can't. And he grabbed
this was actual cream rising to

2306
02:39:26,969 --> 02:39:34,079
the top. I the ashes comes a
Fred Hampton Oh, of the Malcolm

2307
02:39:34,079 --> 02:39:38,159
and Martin. They said no, we
can't have that. Oh, no. Because

2308
02:39:38,189 --> 02:39:41,579
it wasn't that. You know, I
think you know, the well

2309
02:39:41,579 --> 02:39:46,319
polished thing is he had that
time and he had that. You know

2310
02:39:46,349 --> 02:39:49,019
what? We talked about the
infinite power flowing through

2311
02:39:49,019 --> 02:39:55,079
them. And it resonates. They say
Oh, no. And this is the black

2312
02:39:55,079 --> 02:40:00,449
Messiah, not him. No.
Specifically, but this is What?

2313
02:40:00,929 --> 02:40:07,649
Jager Q J. Edgar, who were
feared of having a black person

2314
02:40:07,649 --> 02:40:11,759
get the ear of the street youth?
Oh, no, that's a problem, boo.

2315
02:40:11,759 --> 02:40:14,909
They negros, that's fine. She
was saying, like, they can sit

2316
02:40:14,909 --> 02:40:19,559
in their panels in their
conferences and discuss about

2317
02:40:19,709 --> 02:40:24,449
notice. Theoretically what we're
working on when you have people

2318
02:40:24,449 --> 02:40:28,739
actually causing change on the
streets. That's a problem. And

2319
02:40:28,739 --> 02:40:31,109
it has to be dealt with
immediately. Well, they shared

2320
02:40:31,109 --> 02:40:35,879
this. So let's go ahead and wrap
up with this final clip number

2321
02:40:35,879 --> 02:40:36,329
30.

2322
02:40:36,420 --> 02:40:39,180
Unknown: Why do you think the
weatherman SDS tried to link the

2323
02:40:39,180 --> 02:40:41,220
Black Panther Party to its
movement?

2324
02:40:41,549 --> 02:40:44,459
I don't know if it was actually
the weatherman of SDS, I have to

2325
02:40:44,459 --> 02:40:46,949
say to do with the establishment
press that has nothing but a

2326
02:40:46,949 --> 02:40:50,639
tool of war Nixon's machine. We
call them war, Nixon, because

2327
02:40:50,639 --> 02:40:52,769
the whole world is penitentiary
and he just wanted the whole

2328
02:40:52,769 --> 02:40:56,249
world. And you see, these people
have just an arm he uses for

2329
02:40:56,249 --> 02:40:58,859
fascist oppression, you know,
and I think that the these

2330
02:40:58,859 --> 02:41:02,429
fascist news media might be a
bad thing. If you don't struggle

2331
02:41:02,429 --> 02:41:04,109
correctly, you shouldn't
struggle. But you should

2332
02:41:04,109 --> 02:41:06,899
struggle. We said that a
struggling you data when that

2333
02:41:06,899 --> 02:41:09,629
not to struggle, and you don't
deserve the win. But we have to

2334
02:41:09,629 --> 02:41:10,199
struggle properly.

2335
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:14,460
What about the special approach
of weatherman, which seems to be

2336
02:41:14,460 --> 02:41:15,570
violence? Well,

2337
02:41:15,570 --> 02:41:18,720
you see, it's, I don't think
it's really valid. I think it's

2338
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:21,540
just a lot of family and a lot
of child's play. I think that to

2339
02:41:21,540 --> 02:41:24,930
have balance, you've got to be
able to cope with violence. And

2340
02:41:24,930 --> 02:41:26,700
that's what the Black Panther,
Black Panther party a lot of

2341
02:41:26,700 --> 02:41:29,760
people say with, with with a
self defense organization that

2342
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:32,340
believes that the people should
be educated what's going on? We

2343
02:41:32,340 --> 02:41:35,490
Yes, we do defend our offices,
we do defend our homes. This is

2344
02:41:35,490 --> 02:41:37,500
a constitutional right.
Everybody has nothing funny

2345
02:41:37,500 --> 02:41:39,720
about that. The only reason they
get mad at the Black Panther

2346
02:41:39,720 --> 02:41:41,820
Party when you do it is for the
simple reason that we're

2347
02:41:41,820 --> 02:41:43,890
political. And they don't want
to admit this. There are a lot

2348
02:41:43,890 --> 02:41:45,810
of young organizations around
but we're a political

2349
02:41:45,810 --> 02:41:48,120
organization. We are
organization that understands

2350
02:41:48,120 --> 02:41:50,970
that politics is nothing but war
without bloodshed and war is

2351
02:41:50,970 --> 02:41:51,930
nothing but politics with

2352
02:41:52,709 --> 02:41:54,629
Adam Curry: that right there is
what got him killed right there

2353
02:41:54,629 --> 02:41:55,139
at the end

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Moe Factz: bars. Now. That's,
that's, can we hear that again?

2355
02:41:58,440 --> 02:42:01,680
That's bars. Here we go.

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02:42:02,010 --> 02:42:04,680
Unknown: It was going on? We
Yes, we do defend our offices,

2357
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:07,290
we do defend our homes. This is
a constitutional right.

2358
02:42:07,290 --> 02:42:09,690
Everybody has nothing funny
about it. The only reason they

2359
02:42:09,690 --> 02:42:12,000
get mad at the Black Panther
Party when you do it is for the

2360
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:14,040
simple reason that we're
political. And they don't want

2361
02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:16,050
to admit this. There are a lot
of young organizations around

2362
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:18,450
we're a political organization.
We are organization that

2363
02:42:18,450 --> 02:42:21,030
understands that politics is
nothing but war without

2364
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:23,430
bloodshed and war is nothing but
politics with bloodshed.

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02:42:26,280 --> 02:42:33,750
Moe Factz: See, yeah, that's
that's the early marks or hip

2366
02:42:33,750 --> 02:42:38,490
hop, right there. When you can
say something like that, and it

2367
02:42:38,490 --> 02:42:42,780
resonates and then it becomes a
slogan or a catchphrase

2368
02:42:43,229 --> 02:42:44,069
Adam Curry: that's dangerous

2369
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:47,160
Moe Factz: right there. That's,
that's very dangerous. And you

2370
02:42:47,160 --> 02:42:49,860
know what happens when he was
taught like that 31

2371
02:42:50,309 --> 02:42:52,289
Unknown: Good afternoon, a 20
year old chairman of the

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02:42:52,289 --> 02:42:55,649
Illinois Black Panther Party,
Fred Hampton, was shot and

2373
02:42:55,649 --> 02:42:59,429
killed in a predawn shootout
with State's Attorneys police on

2374
02:42:59,489 --> 02:43:02,819
his West Side apartment, and
other party member. 22 year old

2375
02:43:02,819 --> 02:43:06,329
Mark Clark of Peoria also died
in the shootout, which left four

2376
02:43:06,329 --> 02:43:09,689
Panthers and two police officers
wounded. State's Attorneys.

2377
02:43:09,689 --> 02:43:12,059
Police said they were fired upon
when they tried to enter the

2378
02:43:12,059 --> 02:43:16,139
apartment at 2337. West Monroe
on a search warrant issued for

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02:43:16,139 --> 02:43:19,529
possession of illegal weapons.
Three more panther party members

2380
02:43:19,529 --> 02:43:21,899
are in police custody in
connection with the shooting.

2381
02:43:22,229 --> 02:43:22,559
Mr.

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02:43:22,559 --> 02:43:25,559
Carmody when you knocked on the
door? What happened? Well, I

2383
02:43:25,559 --> 02:43:29,309
didn't actually NAC I heard our
officers at the front announced

2384
02:43:29,309 --> 02:43:33,869
their office and shots fired. So
I kicked in the back door. And

2385
02:43:33,869 --> 02:43:37,949
as soon as the door opened, I
could see shots being fired at

2386
02:43:37,949 --> 02:43:41,639
us at the door. Was it lighted
inside? Yes. The whole

2387
02:43:41,639 --> 02:43:45,749
apartment. The the kitchen was
lit in the front room was the

2388
02:43:45,749 --> 02:43:48,569
bedrooms were dark. Did you know
At that time, approximately how

2389
02:43:48,569 --> 02:43:52,019
many people were inside? No, we
had no idea. Did you know that?

2390
02:43:52,229 --> 02:43:57,149
They were Black Panthers. No, we
didn't we just know that we were

2391
02:43:57,149 --> 02:44:00,149
informed that there were guns
and contraband in the building.

2392
02:44:00,749 --> 02:44:02,969
You have information that
indicate that Fred Hampton might

2393
02:44:02,969 --> 02:44:04,739
be there. Not to my knowledge.

2394
02:44:05,460 --> 02:44:08,130
Right on Hamptons apartment was
conducted by the State's

2395
02:44:08,130 --> 02:44:11,100
Attorney's Office acting on a
tip from an informant that there

2396
02:44:11,100 --> 02:44:13,020
were illegal guns down.

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02:44:13,290 --> 02:44:18,420
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was like
100 shots. Like this sprayed the

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02:44:18,420 --> 02:44:19,140
whole department

2399
02:44:21,270 --> 02:44:25,170
Moe Factz: legal and gets
another death which angered more

2400
02:44:25,170 --> 02:44:30,090
youth because now you took one
of theirs. Malcolm Martin they

2401
02:44:30,090 --> 02:44:34,560
were one of theirs but a young
black person that they resonated

2402
02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:40,830
with and that was it. That was
it. Yeah. That was that would

2403
02:44:40,860 --> 02:44:47,880
end that goes to show you what
we're talking about here. 19

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02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:55,290
this a 1976 3053 54 years. We
run around killing people.

2405
02:44:58,440 --> 02:44:59,970
Adam Curry: Yeah, that'll set
the stage.

2406
02:45:02,370 --> 02:45:04,200
Moe Factz: And then you have a
bunch of angry

2407
02:45:05,879 --> 02:45:06,809
Adam Curry: black men,

2408
02:45:07,529 --> 02:45:13,769
Moe Factz: black young men.
Because it's okay. Yeah, it's

2409
02:45:13,769 --> 02:45:16,529
like that ha right of civil
rights and we've seen some

2410
02:45:16,529 --> 02:45:19,439
progress. And now all of a
sudden you do this in a couple

2411
02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:23,759
years. You wipe out everybody.
Yeah, you wonder why they're so

2412
02:45:23,759 --> 02:45:31,499
angry. And and this is just to
bring it in modern context. That

2413
02:45:31,499 --> 02:45:38,159
same anger is brewing right now.
Yes, as anger is brewing right

2414
02:45:38,159 --> 02:45:42,089
now, I kept telling everybody
when they broke that glass and

2415
02:45:42,089 --> 02:45:42,929
2020

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02:45:43,020 --> 02:45:46,230
Adam Curry: Yeah, when the the
umbrella umbrella people.

2417
02:45:46,740 --> 02:45:51,720
Moe Factz: Yes. But the metaphor
of civility? Yes. When that

2418
02:45:51,720 --> 02:45:56,430
glass was broken, it hasn't been
repaired. Now it's presenting

2419
02:45:56,430 --> 02:46:03,930
itself. It's crime and outlaw
behavior. But what's the context

2420
02:46:03,960 --> 02:46:07,470
under that? Because you can say
the same thing about the rioting

2421
02:46:07,470 --> 02:46:11,850
of the 60s. Now, what was the
cause of that, but we'll get

2422
02:46:11,850 --> 02:46:14,550
more into that on the back side.
But I think we need to think

2423
02:46:14,550 --> 02:46:15,210
some more people.

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02:46:15,240 --> 02:46:17,250
Adam Curry: Yes. And we do that
with new money.

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02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:19,320
Unknown: I like brand new money.
I just I don't want any money

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around me. It's not I don't
really have a new one that our

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02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:28,020
brand than an old 20 That's kind
of dumb. But there's something

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02:46:28,020 --> 02:46:33,480
about new money that excites you
like $100 bills. Money to Oh,

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the most beautiful thing on
earth is $100. Bill, I haven't

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seen a woman is good looking at
$100. Bills, excites you.

2431
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:47,369
Adam Curry: So cracks me up No,
no $100 bills here. But we do

2432
02:46:47,369 --> 02:46:50,999
have a number of producers to
thank, as long I will also thank

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some of our boosters and
podcasting. 2.0 value for value.

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And right off the bat, we have
Paolo Moore, who says are you

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insulated from cancellation
campaigns waged by the Boulais

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and its affiliates. And I would
say yes, Paulo because we're

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value for value. The way they go
after you is after your

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monetization. If you have
advertising they go after you

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02:47:12,269 --> 02:47:14,699
advertisers go after your
platform. We're completely

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independent from all of that by
design. So we're pretty good if

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you keep supporting us $40
Thanks.

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Moe Factz: That's the important
part. We

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02:47:24,030 --> 02:47:27,360
Adam Curry: got a couple of 20s
here Carol a chase. Edwin Torah

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02:47:27,360 --> 02:47:30,780
says thank you. Thank you,
Edwin, Jennifer, Kato and Louie

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le bombard. And we have Mark
Asher with 1218 Interesting

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rule? And Terry Keller the human
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But we know what you're saying.
Terry, thank you very much now

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to thank some of our people who
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it's close enough to 100,000 I'm

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gonna give him big baller.

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Unknown: Sakala 20

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Moe Factz: his blades only him
Paula

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02:48:42,750 --> 02:48:44,790
Adam Curry: says hey, Mo thank
you for sharing your knowledge

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and educating the children of
our future. Adam, thank you for

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02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:50,190
helping in the creation of this
podcast show praise the podcast

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father. Thank you Sergio. Mark
see, with 50,000 SATs he says

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gonna miss these. Well, we're
not done yet. We still got a few

2469
02:48:58,890 --> 02:49:04,680
to go DS laughs says welcome
back with 38383 ds of course.

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Does his own Hip Hop stuff. He's
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play him on boosted Grand Ball
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am I missing there? Am I missing
that's

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Moe Factz: the that's the best
that's the operation that we're

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running out of the whorehouses

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Adam Curry: course from 93 Of
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33,000 Thank you Mo and Adam
thank you to have to via 25,000

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says how many booths will it
take to keep the podcast flowing

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to 1000 Well, why don't you just
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don't stop keep supporting us.
Sir Dan, the man with 25k I'm

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sad to hear you're winding down.
I've really enjoyed these

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conversations. This has been a
fantastic episode. Have this

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value to hopefully help you get
off to a good start in your next

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Who knows what the next phase

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will bring? Bubba comes in with
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miss the show when you go props
to both you guys thank you, gi

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boo with 10,000 Joe W with
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you act walk and look and talk
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and the music is colorless. Hip
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brown, yellow, red and white.
And that is a quote from Afrika

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Bambaataa. I did not know that.
Dave Ackerman has been going

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back and just boosting all the
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drops of 6666 total. Joe W again
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Lost Tapes. Well, there you go.
Last tape still going strong mo

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on the YouTube.

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02:51:15,059 --> 02:51:17,999
Moe Factz: Actually, no, I stop
to dedicate all my time to this.

2504
02:51:18,029 --> 02:51:22,199
But I would like to invite
people to go over and watch the

2505
02:51:22,199 --> 02:51:27,719
episodes that are there in
between time of me creating last

2506
02:51:27,719 --> 02:51:33,029
few episodes of this show. And I
want to say one thing. That's

2507
02:51:33,059 --> 02:51:39,209
one of the reasons that with the
Barry Gordy thing and the

2508
02:51:40,349 --> 02:51:44,639
quality Luke quality control
loop. Yeah, I'm I'm trying to

2509
02:51:44,639 --> 02:51:47,579
figure out how to streamline
that process for whatever the

2510
02:51:47,579 --> 02:51:53,819
next venture is because you
can't do this show in a week.

2511
02:51:54,269 --> 02:51:58,589
No. Like some of these clips I
recently found while other ones

2512
02:51:58,589 --> 02:52:06,089
I been sitting home. And it's
kind of like a you know, it's a

2513
02:52:06,089 --> 02:52:08,939
finance piece together pieces to
get oh, that's the part I was

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02:52:08,939 --> 02:52:13,139
missing. And it takes time. So
the next venture will be a

2515
02:52:13,169 --> 02:52:17,489
tighter loop. But hopefully
people appreciate obviously they

2516
02:52:17,489 --> 02:52:20,819
appreciate it. But hopefully
understand why it takes the time

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02:52:20,819 --> 02:52:22,139
it takes to create

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Adam Curry: a job W actually
boosted quite a lot of times and

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I want to read one of his other
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Jab mandate is the gift that
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finally getting back on track
financially, I'm now getting

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sued over a credit card to
defaulted on because of having

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zero income for a year, until I
found another job having to live

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off my now extinct 401k I'm
about to find out blood can be

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extracted from a stone Well,
we're praying for your brother.

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We're praying for you. Thank you
for sharing some of your value.

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And then finally, everyday Jay
says keep clearing the air love

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you both GBG we. And that
concludes our booster grams and

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our final donations for episode
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Thank you. I'm sorry,

2531
02:53:10,020 --> 02:53:11,340
Moe Factz: I don't know why
there's that be honest with

2532
02:53:11,340 --> 02:53:11,940
people again.

2533
02:53:12,629 --> 02:53:16,949
Adam Curry: I'll tell them to go
and go away. Thank you so much

2534
02:53:16,949 --> 02:53:20,069
for supporting the work, it is
highly appreciated. There are

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02:53:20,069 --> 02:53:23,549
six more episodes to go until we
close this round out of this,

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02:53:23,789 --> 02:53:28,619
this chapter this season of Mo
fax. And we'd appreciate if you

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Moe Factz: All right, so we
spoke about the black Messiah

2543
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:56,010
and J Edgar Hoover. And this
goes all the way back to Marcus

2544
02:53:56,010 --> 02:53:59,640
Garvey. No good. He's had this
fear. Yeah, he had we talked

2545
02:53:59,640 --> 02:54:02,820
about it on one episode. He
called it a Black Tiger, I

2546
02:54:02,820 --> 02:54:10,140
think. Um, yeah, he had a he,
him being a self loathing black

2547
02:54:10,140 --> 02:54:17,190
man himself. He understands the
impact of the high infinite

2548
02:54:17,190 --> 02:54:24,150
power. And he's, he's been very
well, he was very active in

2549
02:54:24,150 --> 02:54:26,910
trying to stamp this thing out
because he understood the

2550
02:54:26,910 --> 02:54:32,610
implications. So we have not
other than Minister Louis

2551
02:54:32,610 --> 02:54:37,110
Farrakhan. And he's going to
speak on the concept of the

2552
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:40,110
black Messiah and the possible
impact 33

2553
02:54:40,140 --> 02:54:43,110
Unknown: Does our community and
a lot of times on this program

2554
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:48,420
we hear the cynicism of the
people about leadership, in that

2555
02:54:48,420 --> 02:54:52,170
broad sense, black leadership,
and it's almost like everybody's

2556
02:54:52,170 --> 02:54:56,910
waiting for a shining black
knight on a Black Stallion to

2557
02:54:56,910 --> 02:55:01,530
come and rescue almost 40
million African Americans do we

2558
02:55:01,530 --> 02:55:03,750
need to understand as a
community that there will never

2559
02:55:03,750 --> 02:55:05,730
be one leader anymore?

2560
02:55:06,629 --> 02:55:12,989
I would not exactly agree with
that. Okay. Because J Edgar

2561
02:55:12,989 --> 02:55:18,239
Hoover was a wise man. And he
more than black people

2562
02:55:18,269 --> 02:55:23,129
understood that whenever you
have a people suffering,

2563
02:55:23,519 --> 02:55:29,069
injustice, deprived of those
natural rights that God has

2564
02:55:29,069 --> 02:55:34,169
given to all of us, the longer
the deprivation, the greater the

2565
02:55:34,169 --> 02:55:38,939
need, and then God answers that
need through the womb of a

2566
02:55:38,939 --> 02:55:44,759
woman. And that person may be a
Moses figure, a Jesus figure, a

2567
02:55:44,759 --> 02:55:50,939
messianic figure. So J. Edgar
Hoover was watching the horizon

2568
02:55:50,969 --> 02:55:55,889
of black America, because he
understood that principle, that

2569
02:55:55,889 --> 02:56:01,559
law, and so he was looking for
the rise of a black Messiah.

2570
02:56:04,469 --> 02:56:08,519
Moe Factz: And Obama actually
played into this team played

2571
02:56:08,519 --> 02:56:12,839
into this. And there's an image
with all the pastors and

2572
02:56:12,839 --> 02:56:17,369
everybody laying hands on Obama.
He's standing there and you have

2573
02:56:17,369 --> 02:56:20,069
all these cards, you mean
reaching and touching him? I

2574
02:56:20,069 --> 02:56:20,249
would

2575
02:56:20,250 --> 02:56:23,430
Adam Curry: say that even Rush
Limbaugh played into it by

2576
02:56:23,430 --> 02:56:27,390
calling him the anointed one. I
mean, it was from all sides.

2577
02:56:27,809 --> 02:56:35,219
Moe Factz: I forgot about that.
That's so they understood. And

2578
02:56:35,219 --> 02:56:39,779
this is bigger than black at
this point. I know no press

2579
02:56:39,779 --> 02:56:44,939
people are look here for
somebody that can it's not about

2580
02:56:44,939 --> 02:56:50,669
action. It's about inspiration.
Obama saying change you're gonna

2581
02:56:50,669 --> 02:56:55,979
believe in hope and change. Hope
and Change just hope, a pitcher

2582
02:56:55,979 --> 02:57:01,109
him with the word hope not.
Right, inspired a bunch of young

2583
02:57:01,109 --> 02:57:04,049
people to believe there's gonna
be something better. Now that

2584
02:57:04,049 --> 02:57:09,119
was a trick bag. I'll say.
Right. but yet and still, I

2585
02:57:09,119 --> 02:57:12,269
mean, you had the same thing
with Mandela, you go all the way

2586
02:57:12,269 --> 02:57:16,649
around the world, you know, it's
always this figure that's gonna

2587
02:57:16,649 --> 02:57:18,299
come out and bring a word for

2588
02:57:18,300 --> 02:57:21,180
Adam Curry: it all the way back
all the way to Cory Booker. Mo.

2589
02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:25,140
Moe Factz: No. And did you see
that pink outfit he wore?

2590
02:57:25,889 --> 02:57:28,529
Adam Curry: That's why he asked
me. Why was top of mind.

2591
02:57:29,610 --> 02:57:34,320
Moe Factz: Tell me you're not
interested in women without

2592
02:57:34,320 --> 02:57:37,560
telling me you're not interested
in that? Come on, Cory. Come on.

2593
02:57:38,250 --> 02:57:43,410
Like it's pretty bad. Or we love
you. But it's not that we have

2594
02:57:43,410 --> 02:57:50,790
this stain for these people is
that how can you be wired like

2595
02:57:50,790 --> 02:57:57,420
I'm wired. And not understand
how you're being used. every

2596
02:57:57,420 --> 02:58:00,570
word I say on this podcast, this
is part of the quality control.

2597
02:58:00,570 --> 02:58:05,790
The thing is that I had to run
it through the loop of how can

2598
02:58:05,790 --> 02:58:11,400
it be misconstrued by my
naysayers? How can it be used

2599
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:14,340
against me? How can you you
know, how can it be

2600
02:58:14,340 --> 02:58:18,240
misunderstood by my supporters?
Right? You know, you have to do

2601
02:58:18,240 --> 02:58:23,010
you have to do that? I mean, in
this is not just heavy topics.

2602
02:58:23,370 --> 02:58:27,300
In rap, they have a thing called
Paul's or no homo, because you

2603
02:58:27,300 --> 02:58:31,740
can say something. And you made
it one way this is that do the

2604
02:58:31,740 --> 02:58:36,090
double meaning a double entendre
thing. And it can be taken as

2605
02:58:36,120 --> 02:58:42,630
well, that sounded kind of off
putting, you know, for example,

2606
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:46,620
for people to have no agenda
listeners, John's next story.

2607
02:58:49,500 --> 02:58:53,400
Right, like, we know, he's
actually talking about a guy

2608
02:58:54,180 --> 02:58:58,050
eating pain that's on an
airplane. But that's a major

2609
02:58:58,050 --> 02:59:02,370
pause, because it's like, whoa.
And so I took it and put it into

2610
02:59:02,370 --> 02:59:03,330
music. Well,

2611
02:59:03,330 --> 02:59:07,050
Adam Curry: that was actually
me. We had some reproduction.

2612
02:59:08,100 --> 02:59:13,620
Moe Factz: Because it's too good
to pass. Oh. Yeah. So that's,

2613
02:59:13,650 --> 02:59:16,230
that's my point. That's why we
give these people a hard time

2614
02:59:16,230 --> 02:59:18,450
because it's like, ain't their
infinite power flowing through

2615
02:59:18,450 --> 02:59:22,170
you. And we all have different
types of infinite power. But

2616
02:59:24,390 --> 02:59:29,190
ours is just, I don't know, it's
just something that's unique to

2617
02:59:29,190 --> 02:59:32,160
us. And like I say, everybody
has their superpower. And every

2618
02:59:32,160 --> 02:59:36,270
group of people have our suit
has superpowers with that word,

2619
02:59:36,300 --> 02:59:39,390
and that feeling behind the word
like you said they yield from

2620
02:59:39,390 --> 02:59:46,290
James Brown. Oh, I'm glad I
thought about that. That guy

2621
02:59:46,290 --> 02:59:49,500
with the missing F 35.

2622
02:59:49,709 --> 02:59:54,719
Adam Curry: Yes. Oh, wait, I
have him I have my the You mean

2623
02:59:54,719 --> 02:59:58,469
the the witness the eyewitness?
Yes. Here he is.

2624
03:00:02,309 --> 03:00:05,969
Moe Factz: This is James Brown,
it is totally James Brown.

2625
03:00:06,479 --> 03:00:09,089
That's why it resonated with
people. But he didn't know why

2626
03:00:09,089 --> 03:00:13,889
it resonated with him. You know,
it's that whatever that the

2627
03:00:13,889 --> 03:00:18,149
energy behind that you, like we
felt it. You say like, yeah, he

2628
03:00:18,149 --> 03:00:18,629
line,

2629
03:00:19,229 --> 03:00:22,259
Adam Curry: a whole clip of that
guy is phenomenal. He's awesome.

2630
03:00:22,289 --> 03:00:24,209
He's He's absolutely on point.

2631
03:00:24,870 --> 03:00:28,290
Moe Factz: And he's from South
Carolina as well, you know, down

2632
03:00:28,290 --> 03:00:32,220
in a you go. So there's
something there. But let's get

2633
03:00:32,220 --> 03:00:37,560
back to the J. Edgar Hoover. And
Farrakhan.

2634
03:00:38,010 --> 03:00:42,930
Unknown: Once that individual
comes up and is crowned by God

2635
03:00:43,050 --> 03:00:48,300
with knowledge, then a whole
host of leaders come up around

2636
03:00:48,300 --> 03:00:53,850
messianic knowledge. And so what
I see today is no one leader can

2637
03:00:53,850 --> 03:00:57,900
solve this problem. No one
organization can solve the

2638
03:00:57,900 --> 03:01:02,250
problem. But a great black man
was among us, in the person of

2639
03:01:02,250 --> 03:01:06,570
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.
And that man left us with a body

2640
03:01:06,570 --> 03:01:11,850
of knowledge and a programmatic
thrust that is bigger than Louis

2641
03:01:11,850 --> 03:01:17,010
Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson or
Reverend Al Sharpton. These are

2642
03:01:17,010 --> 03:01:22,050
brilliant men. But the
disconnect, brother Amos, is

2643
03:01:22,320 --> 03:01:27,000
that our learning people are
disconnected from the suffering

2644
03:01:27,210 --> 03:01:30,900
of the masses. We have
knowledge, but how do we

2645
03:01:30,900 --> 03:01:35,250
transmit that knowledge to the
masses of our peoples, like

2646
03:01:35,250 --> 03:01:39,240
the talented 10 have just gone
on and they're staying at the

2647
03:01:39,240 --> 03:01:43,380
highest and then live in large
and the rest of the 90 are

2648
03:01:43,380 --> 03:01:43,920
suffering?

2649
03:01:44,129 --> 03:01:47,999
I don't want to say just like
that, for the amis. I say the

2650
03:01:47,999 --> 03:01:54,689
talented 10 have been pulled
away from their community and

2651
03:01:54,689 --> 03:01:59,879
taken into corporate America.
But they too, are suffering from

2652
03:01:59,879 --> 03:02:04,649
the glass ceiling. They can only
go as high as somebody else will

2653
03:02:04,649 --> 03:02:08,819
determine for them. So they're
dissatisfied. They're angry.

2654
03:02:09,660 --> 03:02:12,480
Adam Curry: Man, no wonder we
had to make him go away to

2655
03:02:13,350 --> 03:02:16,350
marginalize him. Correct.

2656
03:02:18,209 --> 03:02:24,689
Moe Factz: And he never He even
experienced of loss of the US

2657
03:02:24,749 --> 03:02:34,979
air. Tom, in the late 80s when
it came to Khalil Muhammad. No,

2658
03:02:35,549 --> 03:02:39,539
they were he was more hip hop,
the Farrakhan was. So these

2659
03:02:39,569 --> 03:02:45,929
older artists, olders figures,
it's hard to stay current. But

2660
03:02:45,929 --> 03:02:50,309
it's necessary to stay current.
Because you have to speak the

2661
03:02:50,309 --> 03:02:54,239
lingo. And if you don't, you
don't even have to speak it. But

2662
03:02:54,239 --> 03:02:59,699
you have to be able to hear it.
Because as we spoke before,

2663
03:02:59,939 --> 03:03:04,469
about this generation, they have
a hard time articulating

2664
03:03:04,469 --> 03:03:10,139
themselves because of the dumbed
down nature. Yes, of, of

2665
03:03:10,169 --> 03:03:16,529
education of entertainment, that
oftentimes, they become angry

2666
03:03:16,529 --> 03:03:19,559
because they have the lack of
words to express how they

2667
03:03:19,559 --> 03:03:24,779
actually feel. Yeah, good point.
So you actually had the here I,

2668
03:03:25,319 --> 03:03:31,679
I hear you or your poster, I
feel you. Because even though it

2669
03:03:31,679 --> 03:03:35,489
might be a couple of words, I
understood the implied nature

2670
03:03:35,489 --> 03:03:39,089
behind those couple of words,
and Malcolm X spoke about this.

2671
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:42,659
And we talked about on our show
55 This is a throwback clip

2672
03:03:43,109 --> 03:03:44,909
about the ghetto hustler.

2673
03:03:45,120 --> 03:03:47,670
Unknown: I knew that the great
lack of most of the big name

2674
03:03:47,670 --> 03:03:51,720
negro leaders was their lack of
any true report with the ghetto

2675
03:03:51,720 --> 03:03:55,290
negros. How could they have
report when they spend most of

2676
03:03:55,290 --> 03:03:59,580
their time integrating with
white people? I knew that the

2677
03:03:59,580 --> 03:04:02,730
ghetto people knew that I never
left the ghetto in spirit, and I

2678
03:04:02,730 --> 03:04:06,570
never lived it physically any
more than I had to. I had a

2679
03:04:06,570 --> 03:04:10,530
ghetto instinct. And because I
had been a hustler, I knew

2680
03:04:10,530 --> 03:04:13,620
better than all whites new and
better than nearly all the black

2681
03:04:13,620 --> 03:04:16,890
leaders knew that actually the
most dangerous black man in

2682
03:04:16,890 --> 03:04:24,030
America was the ghetto hustler.
Why do I say this? The Hustler

2683
03:04:24,060 --> 03:04:26,580
out there in the ghetto jungles
has less respect for the white

2684
03:04:26,580 --> 03:04:29,940
power structure than any other
Negro in North America. The

2685
03:04:29,940 --> 03:04:33,390
ghetto hustler is internally
restrained by nothing. He has no

2686
03:04:33,390 --> 03:04:35,640
religion, no concept of
morality, no civic

2687
03:04:35,640 --> 03:04:40,410
responsibility, no fear, nothing
to survive. He is out there

2688
03:04:40,410 --> 03:04:44,010
constantly preying upon others
probing for any human weaknesses

2689
03:04:44,010 --> 03:04:47,160
like a ferret. The ghetto
hustler is forever frustrated,

2690
03:04:47,160 --> 03:04:50,670
restless and anxious for some
action. Whatever he undertakes,

2691
03:04:50,700 --> 03:04:55,920
he commits himself to it fully.
Absolutely. What makes the

2692
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:58,770
ghetto hustler yet more
dangerous is his glamour image

2693
03:04:59,010 --> 03:05:01,380
to the school drop allowed us in
the ghetto.

2694
03:05:01,500 --> 03:05:02,250
Oh,

2695
03:05:03,360 --> 03:05:05,520
all right. There it is.

2696
03:05:06,839 --> 03:05:10,409
Moe Factz: The image that goes
back to how to sell to Negro,

2697
03:05:10,739 --> 03:05:18,899
the Gucci, that nice cars, and
also the not being in your

2698
03:05:18,899 --> 03:05:22,169
natural enemy of the power
structure caught because of your

2699
03:05:22,169 --> 03:05:25,949
criminality. But nonetheless,
you're a natural enemy of the

2700
03:05:25,949 --> 03:05:31,109
power structure, right. And this
is helping our people. I think

2701
03:05:31,109 --> 03:05:35,339
people got it misconstrued that
people will just choose to have

2702
03:05:35,339 --> 03:05:39,449
a life of crime some do. I'm not
saying they don't. But all the

2703
03:05:39,449 --> 03:05:43,529
times you're thrusted into a
life of crime

2704
03:05:43,560 --> 03:05:46,080
Adam Curry: grow up, grow up in
it, that's what happens.

2705
03:05:46,770 --> 03:05:50,850
Moe Factz: In not even grow.
Yeah, but you have some people

2706
03:05:51,120 --> 03:05:58,200
like the producer that wrote in
and said with the credit card,

2707
03:05:58,890 --> 03:06:04,770
and you know, it is easy to get
what your back against the wall

2708
03:06:04,860 --> 03:06:07,710
out. Like I tell everybody all
the time before my children go

2709
03:06:07,710 --> 03:06:11,640
hungry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I got
to get it. However, I got to get

2710
03:06:11,640 --> 03:06:15,120
it. Now. I have other ways of
getting it. Because God has

2711
03:06:15,120 --> 03:06:19,020
blessed me with multiple
talents. But if I was not as

2712
03:06:19,020 --> 03:06:23,850
blessed, I don't Can I don't
condemn people for doing what

2713
03:06:23,850 --> 03:06:26,520
they have to do. Now it comes to
to the point where you don't

2714
03:06:26,520 --> 03:06:32,460
hurt other people. But you it
becomes killer BQ eat or be

2715
03:06:32,490 --> 03:06:33,060
eaten?

2716
03:06:33,329 --> 03:06:36,209
Adam Curry: I think we're at
that actuation on a quite a

2717
03:06:36,209 --> 03:06:39,629
large scale right now in
America. Right the world

2718
03:06:39,629 --> 03:06:40,139
actually.

2719
03:06:40,979 --> 03:06:44,459
Moe Factz: And it was very
crappy Obama and I know I'm

2720
03:06:44,459 --> 03:06:48,599
harping on Obama. But I want to
point something out. It was very

2721
03:06:48,599 --> 03:06:54,149
crafty of him to bring the
rappers in. Right, he brought

2722
03:06:54,149 --> 03:06:59,669
them in and gave them privilege
access to power. Come on, come

2723
03:06:59,669 --> 03:07:03,299
to the Oval Office. And we'll
have concerts at the White

2724
03:07:03,299 --> 03:07:06,749
House. Because these are the
natural enemies of the system of

2725
03:07:06,749 --> 03:07:13,289
white supremacy. Naturally, yes,
left unchecked. But no, we'll

2726
03:07:13,289 --> 03:07:19,949
bring you in. Come on. Come on.
Yeah, come in. Now. It's Oh,

2727
03:07:19,949 --> 03:07:26,459
man, Obama cool. Now that, you
know, that's how you get nobody

2728
03:07:26,459 --> 03:07:31,559
question anything he did. It's
amazing highs like, okay, like

2729
03:07:31,559 --> 03:07:36,119
you were saying about Trump? How
do you go from eight years of

2730
03:07:36,119 --> 03:07:39,029
that, and then all of a sudden,
you're politically aware, you

2731
03:07:39,029 --> 03:07:42,299
know, an orange MAN show when
you were cool with Orange Man?

2732
03:07:42,599 --> 03:07:48,869
Not 10 years, not five years
ago, right. So that's, that's

2733
03:07:48,899 --> 03:07:55,259
they they aware, aware that we
have to co op the rappers. So

2734
03:07:55,259 --> 03:08:01,229
they bring in the street youth.
And we can push them these the

2735
03:08:01,229 --> 03:08:03,959
agenda that we want to push?
Well, one, perhaps

2736
03:08:03,959 --> 03:08:06,749
Adam Curry: even better than
that is we we create them, we

2737
03:08:06,749 --> 03:08:09,689
select them, we create them, we
control them, we bring them in

2738
03:08:09,689 --> 03:08:11,189
make it look like it's organic.

2739
03:08:12,060 --> 03:08:16,500
Moe Factz: Right. And then we
tie them like we heard with the

2740
03:08:16,530 --> 03:08:20,640
politicians and the record
labels, we tied them here at the

2741
03:08:20,640 --> 03:08:25,620
hip, all to do what all to
control that higher infinite

2742
03:08:25,620 --> 03:08:31,410
power, so they can help our
people hip hop, I'm gonna say it

2743
03:08:31,410 --> 03:08:37,440
again. They can show the higher
infinite power, so we can't help

2744
03:08:37,620 --> 03:08:43,740
our people. That's the road and
when it comes to me, as I was

2745
03:08:43,740 --> 03:08:49,080
taught, too much is given much
is required. I had to use his

2746
03:08:49,080 --> 03:08:52,080
talent. And I told you they've
been trying to get me since I've

2747
03:08:52,080 --> 03:08:57,000
been in seventh grade. Yes. When
I won the Treasury election,

2748
03:08:57,450 --> 03:09:01,650
they put me on the freedom
router bus. Yeah, and roaming

2749
03:09:01,650 --> 03:09:05,160
around town and it made me feel
special. And you're talented.

2750
03:09:05,160 --> 03:09:11,040
10th. Right. This is this I you
know, I was like, Nah, all

2751
03:09:11,040 --> 03:09:14,550
because it would all because the
hip hop. I'm gonna talk about

2752
03:09:14,550 --> 03:09:17,970
another event my life, but it's
one thing on the backside of

2753
03:09:17,970 --> 03:09:22,830
this clip, because it's, it's
tied to the clip, but one person

2754
03:09:22,830 --> 03:09:27,570
that never talked to you about
and was so instrumental to hip

2755
03:09:27,570 --> 03:09:33,210
hop was Clarence, Clarence,
Clarence 13x. And that's the

2756
03:09:33,270 --> 03:09:38,670
person credited with creating
the 5% or the 5% nation. Um,

2757
03:09:39,240 --> 03:09:44,910
this it ties into the 85% of
dumb deaf and blind the 10% You

2758
03:09:44,910 --> 03:09:48,240
know, the plus because of the
poor and then evolved left over

2759
03:09:48,240 --> 03:09:51,390
they get it right, that they're
the poor, righteous teachers

2760
03:09:51,390 --> 03:09:59,100
that posted enlighten the the
85. And so let's listen to his

2761
03:09:59,100 --> 03:10:02,520
story of 36 And I'm gonna tell
you how it impacted me on the

2762
03:10:02,520 --> 03:10:03,060
backside.

2763
03:10:03,389 --> 03:10:06,059
Unknown: black youth poor
flocking to brother Clarence,

2764
03:10:06,089 --> 03:10:10,829
like the world was coming to an
end. And this is the same guy,

2765
03:10:11,009 --> 03:10:15,179
the Nation of Islam fired and
said he wasn't good enough for

2766
03:10:15,179 --> 03:10:20,159
them. Now all of a sudden, they
want to talk things over.

2767
03:10:20,939 --> 03:10:25,919
Clarence knows that they don't
mean him any good. Captain

2768
03:10:25,919 --> 03:10:31,409
Joseph is still taking the
backup data approach, because he

2769
03:10:31,409 --> 03:10:36,359
knows it will be a feather in
his cap, and he might get up if

2770
03:10:36,359 --> 03:10:40,139
he can bring brother clarinets
back in possibly to get him to

2771
03:10:40,139 --> 03:10:44,939
rejoin the nation of Islam, and
make him a minister, bringing

2772
03:10:44,939 --> 03:10:49,889
with him the 1000s of youth.
He's influenced with the Captain

2773
03:10:49,889 --> 03:10:54,449
Joseph is trying a gentle, soft
spoken approach, or having a

2774
03:10:54,479 --> 03:11:00,839
hissy fit. Nothing is working.
And he's getting exhausted. He

2775
03:11:00,839 --> 03:11:06,089
tells himself, he might try it
one more time. Meanwhile,

2776
03:11:06,089 --> 03:11:10,919
brother Clarence, his popularity
is still growing. black and

2777
03:11:10,919 --> 03:11:15,149
Puerto Rican youth are still
being attracted to clearances.

2778
03:11:15,149 --> 03:11:16,679
5% nation

2779
03:11:17,610 --> 03:11:21,780
Adam Curry: I know about the 5%
I didn't know Clarence 13x

2780
03:11:25,260 --> 03:11:26,850
Moe Factz: I think that's it
goes here.

2781
03:11:27,450 --> 03:11:28,920
Adam Curry: I get it. Yeah,
sure.

2782
03:11:28,979 --> 03:11:33,959
Moe Factz: That's the
marginalization but his message

2783
03:11:34,019 --> 03:11:40,409
is worldwide because rock him
even melee mail on the message

2784
03:11:40,439 --> 03:11:44,219
when he says a child is born
with no state of mind block to

2785
03:11:44,219 --> 03:11:51,749
the ways of mankind. He was down
with the 5% nation. This is what

2786
03:11:51,749 --> 03:11:59,669
they're this that that the
message that was tied in with

2787
03:12:00,179 --> 03:12:04,079
what Clarence was teaching.
Also, when old our old dirty

2788
03:12:04,079 --> 03:12:07,799
bastard get up there say Wu Tang
is for the keys at the Grammys.

2789
03:12:08,219 --> 03:12:11,759
This is what he's talking about,
because Clarence was targeting

2790
03:12:11,759 --> 03:12:19,289
the youth. And it's counter to
what white supremacy teaches

2791
03:12:19,619 --> 03:12:22,619
that whites are basically this
the Nietzsche thing that we are

2792
03:12:22,619 --> 03:12:26,369
God. This is why they walk
around the earth like they do

2793
03:12:27,059 --> 03:12:30,119
the Bill Gates of the world and
make the decisions of eugenics

2794
03:12:30,119 --> 03:12:32,549
and they things of that nature,
because they feel like their guy

2795
03:12:32,549 --> 03:12:37,829
Claire said, Nah, your God. Now
I don't subscribe to that in the

2796
03:12:37,829 --> 03:12:42,929
literal sense. But we all got
some God in us. We're all made

2797
03:12:42,929 --> 03:12:46,589
in the image of God. And you
can't you can't go around

2798
03:12:46,589 --> 03:12:53,399
teaching black kids that you
know they are gods, ya know, in

2799
03:12:53,399 --> 03:12:56,069
and when I said that made me
think about Aquarius, I am a

2800
03:12:56,069 --> 03:13:01,799
God. This this is baked in the
hip hop. This message is baked

2801
03:13:01,799 --> 03:13:06,989
in. Wu Tang is one I can say
Rock Camp introduced us. You saw

2802
03:13:06,989 --> 03:13:11,009
an early hip hop and is what I
fell in love with. We opened the

2803
03:13:11,009 --> 03:13:15,569
clip up with jewelry to damage
her. Yeah, same thing. He had a

2804
03:13:15,569 --> 03:13:20,699
lot of imagery of the other
nation in his raps rock him you

2805
03:13:20,699 --> 03:13:23,909
know that stabbing, with the
crescent. These are things I'm

2806
03:13:23,909 --> 03:13:28,589
looking like wow, like man, like
a little kid like, man, like you

2807
03:13:28,589 --> 03:13:32,459
had Karis worn with the black
Moses and the tablets and his

2808
03:13:32,459 --> 03:13:35,339
video and it's like it's blowing
your mind. And the reason why

2809
03:13:35,339 --> 03:13:40,259
this ties in a life changing
trip, I took on a Greyhound. I

2810
03:13:40,259 --> 03:13:45,059
was maybe eight, nine years old.
And it was two Gods on the

2811
03:13:45,059 --> 03:13:48,299
Greyhound that everybody knows
if you ever rode a greyhound a

2812
03:13:48,299 --> 03:13:51,089
three, three hour car ride is
gonna be like nine hours on

2813
03:13:51,089 --> 03:13:51,329
great.

2814
03:13:51,389 --> 03:13:53,669
Adam Curry: I've done the
Greyhound from Pennsylvania to

2815
03:13:53,669 --> 03:13:54,629
Florida. I know.

2816
03:13:55,410 --> 03:13:58,080
Moe Factz: Jesus, you wish to
get there last week

2817
03:14:00,959 --> 03:14:03,689
Adam Curry: when the bus breaks
and the pee just rolls forward

2818
03:14:03,689 --> 03:14:04,979
from the toilet in the back.

2819
03:14:05,670 --> 03:14:08,790
Moe Factz: Yeah, that's bad. So
on that bus me and my brother

2820
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:12,120
coming from our grandma's house
and my parents car broke down so

2821
03:14:12,120 --> 03:14:15,090
they had to put us on the bus
and I was nine My brother was 13

2822
03:14:15,300 --> 03:14:18,000
You can't do that nowadays you
can't put it on a 13 year old

2823
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:20,820
and a greyhound sir but you know
they'd had a thing where they

2824
03:14:20,820 --> 03:14:25,110
could tag you to where the bus
driver kind of like you know

2825
03:14:25,140 --> 03:14:28,440
kept Oh sure. But it was it was
two Gods on there. They were

2826
03:14:28,440 --> 03:14:32,610
coming and I forgot them they
could refer to themselves. They

2827
03:14:32,610 --> 03:14:35,430
were coming from San lameer
somewhere and they were going to

2828
03:14:35,430 --> 03:14:40,350
New York so they were on there
for the whole trip and they were

2829
03:14:40,350 --> 03:14:44,640
just telling us like you know
you are used to you know you

2830
03:14:44,640 --> 03:14:47,520
come from that and like my
brother you fell asleep now

2831
03:14:47,550 --> 03:14:52,410
eaten it up. You will say like
they say oh porking jello and

2832
03:14:52,530 --> 03:14:56,490
don't drink or soda because it
lowers your sperm count. Yeah,

2833
03:14:56,490 --> 03:15:02,730
great thing Tell nine year old
but still then knowledge was so

2834
03:15:03,510 --> 03:15:09,030
attractive. You know, because
they didn't have they were

2835
03:15:09,030 --> 03:15:13,650
friendly and nice. And, um, and
we gonna look out for your

2836
03:15:13,650 --> 03:15:19,950
little brother, you're saying
you're good at it. So, when you

2837
03:15:19,950 --> 03:15:24,360
start when I put two and two
together like oh, that's what

2838
03:15:24,360 --> 03:15:28,110
they were saying the same thing
in the rap videos, you know,

2839
03:15:28,680 --> 03:15:30,810
when he talked about the dumb,
deaf and blind and then like I

2840
03:15:30,810 --> 03:15:35,310
said, with Wu Tang, Wu Tang,
this made it worldwide, which I

2841
03:15:35,310 --> 03:15:38,670
think why Wu Tang had to be
marginalized. Because it doesn't

2842
03:15:38,670 --> 03:15:42,870
make any sense. A group that big
disappears. Now they've been

2843
03:15:42,870 --> 03:15:46,320
brought back in their later
years. But they were

2844
03:15:46,320 --> 03:15:50,970
marginalized for a long period
of time. And I think it was

2845
03:15:50,970 --> 03:15:53,340
because of their message cut
their biggest album

2846
03:15:53,370 --> 03:15:57,450
commercially, will take forever
opens up with a six minute song

2847
03:15:57,450 --> 03:16:01,980
from Papa Wu. When not Besides,
he's not rapping he's dropping

2848
03:16:01,980 --> 03:16:06,450
up with science. And it's the
fat this is where the

2849
03:16:06,450 --> 03:16:12,660
conspiratorial nature comes
from. Oh, there's a bigger, a

2850
03:16:12,660 --> 03:16:18,030
bigger play going on. It's a
small group of people that's

2851
03:16:18,030 --> 03:16:21,660
controlling the world and most
people can't see it. And if you

2852
03:16:21,660 --> 03:16:26,430
can't see it, you have a duty
not to operate it you have a

2853
03:16:26,430 --> 03:16:30,360
duty to speak out against it.
Massa just an interesting story

2854
03:16:30,750 --> 03:16:34,140
that I like to share, because
that shaped me as a nine year

2855
03:16:34,140 --> 03:16:40,410
old kid. Um, you can be proud
and you can have black children

2856
03:16:40,410 --> 03:16:43,620
having pride in a system of
white supremacy, you got to have

2857
03:16:43,620 --> 03:16:47,370
some tacky trashy or terroristic
that's the only operating system

2858
03:16:47,370 --> 03:16:52,620
we allow. And it's theirs net we
live in. So I say all that to

2859
03:16:52,620 --> 03:16:55,110
say I know that was a bit of a
rant.

2860
03:16:55,920 --> 03:16:57,630
Adam Curry: Thank you for
sharing that. That's beautiful.

2861
03:16:57,660 --> 03:16:58,230
I love it.

2862
03:16:58,830 --> 03:17:02,490
Moe Factz: Yeah, so that that's
what you know, that's my goal.

2863
03:17:02,550 --> 03:17:06,000
And honestly, people I don't do
this for money is nice to get

2864
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:11,280
value back. But I was doing this
before he was saying before I

2865
03:17:11,280 --> 03:17:14,970
ever commoditize it because even
with my music, I wouldn't let it

2866
03:17:14,970 --> 03:17:21,930
be no pimped out. No, you're not
going to take my beats and rap

2867
03:17:21,930 --> 03:17:27,360
crazy stuff over. No, I can't, I
can't stand for I can't, I can't

2868
03:17:27,360 --> 03:17:33,480
can't do that. But 37 This is a
young brother speaking in 1967

2869
03:17:33,780 --> 03:17:35,970
exactly about what I was saying
about the youth and their

2870
03:17:35,970 --> 03:17:39,450
importance, and actually how
they're going to lead their

2871
03:17:39,450 --> 03:17:40,110
parents

2872
03:17:40,770 --> 03:17:44,610
Unknown: face. As you see the
children greet the world and

2873
03:17:44,610 --> 03:17:49,290
peace and they are the future
generations, then peace. This is

2874
03:17:49,290 --> 03:17:53,880
the work of the sons of Allah.
This the work that come out

2875
03:17:53,880 --> 03:17:59,460
through the to the add on life
to generation to come ahead to

2876
03:17:59,460 --> 03:18:07,020
be always in life. These are our
foundation. We are here to save

2877
03:18:07,020 --> 03:18:12,780
the children of the world. The
parents in the very near future

2878
03:18:12,780 --> 03:18:17,070
when they see themselves not fit
to educate and qualify the

2879
03:18:17,070 --> 03:18:21,780
children will come and recommend
them to be a factor setter and

2880
03:18:21,780 --> 03:18:26,280
attune the guy to do the job to
teach the parents to be

2881
03:18:26,280 --> 03:18:30,810
civilized people. Because the
world is uncivilized. And these

2882
03:18:30,810 --> 03:18:38,490
our words, our children, and all
come in the name of where the

2883
03:18:38,490 --> 03:18:44,640
Supreme Being that God made a
different change, that we'll be

2884
03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:48,120
seeing misery that live in love,
peace and happiness.

2885
03:18:49,650 --> 03:18:52,020
Adam Curry: To who's who's a
Five Percenter and hip hop

2886
03:18:52,020 --> 03:18:52,770
today, ma

2887
03:18:56,760 --> 03:19:02,790
Moe Factz: Ah, I know Jay
Electronica. He kind of strong

2888
03:19:02,790 --> 03:19:07,710
line between the NOI and the 5%.
I've seen Jay Z Jay Z know

2889
03:19:07,710 --> 03:19:11,040
what's up. And that's the other
thing that irks me I was a huge

2890
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:15,060
JD Don't get it twisted, huge ad
fan when he was kind of like

2891
03:19:15,060 --> 03:19:17,190
trying to be Barry Gordy. It's
like, okay, you're gonna be a

2892
03:19:17,190 --> 03:19:22,680
Rockefeller. But the answer your
question in a short way is it's

2893
03:19:22,710 --> 03:19:26,010
rappers you probably wouldn't
have heard of, probably nobody

2894
03:19:26,010 --> 03:19:29,160
can tell it. Like they I mean,
nobody could tell like it. But

2895
03:19:29,160 --> 03:19:35,970
at the same time, it influenced
every everybody. You know, it's

2896
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:40,110
the influences there. And it's
not to say it's not specific to

2897
03:19:40,110 --> 03:19:44,310
what their beliefs are. It's the
fact that there's a bigger play

2898
03:19:44,310 --> 03:19:49,170
at hand. I said before, when I
heard about the Illuminati was

2899
03:19:49,170 --> 03:19:53,760
due to rap, rap songs. It was
prodigy, you know, saying yeah,

2900
03:19:54,420 --> 03:20:02,220
Illuminati want my mind, soul
and my body Yeah, it wasn't like

2901
03:20:02,220 --> 03:20:05,910
that resume. It's like oh, okay,
what is the Illuminati got to

2902
03:20:06,300 --> 03:20:11,760
Tupac come back the kid Luminati
you know so this is this is

2903
03:20:11,760 --> 03:20:18,120
where hip hop is very
conspiratorial and this I think

2904
03:20:18,120 --> 03:20:21,180
this is the core of it.

2905
03:20:21,389 --> 03:20:24,989
Adam Curry: Because you think
guys like Jay Z still slip stuff

2906
03:20:24,989 --> 03:20:27,719
in that gets through that
resonates? Oh yeah.

2907
03:20:27,779 --> 03:20:30,209
Moe Factz: Oh especially the
album with him and Jay

2908
03:20:30,209 --> 03:20:37,139
Electronica may mean that I
don't know, I don't know what

2909
03:20:37,139 --> 03:20:41,849
the play is, but you can't not
unsee what you see, but I don't

2910
03:20:41,849 --> 03:20:46,109
know how he cannot see himself
at the team person either. But

2911
03:20:46,109 --> 03:20:52,199
I'm not in your shoes. But he
always lose. I'm just, I'm

2912
03:20:52,199 --> 03:20:56,879
sneaking in soccer open the back
door. That kind of thing is, I

2913
03:20:57,539 --> 03:21:00,479
don't think so. Because if you
did now going back to be honest

2914
03:21:00,479 --> 03:21:04,949
and bring it full circle, the
nation believed that a woman

2915
03:21:04,949 --> 03:21:11,309
should cover and I'm saying
things like 85% Her body 75% of

2916
03:21:11,309 --> 03:21:18,539
her body with cloth. I think
it's 35. Um, so you're not let

2917
03:21:18,539 --> 03:21:24,299
your woman run around here like
you do. Um, so that's, that's

2918
03:21:24,299 --> 03:21:27,449
the point of it. And I just
wanted to give. This is the

2919
03:21:27,449 --> 03:21:34,799
latest iteration of that black
Messiah. And they thought they

2920
03:21:34,799 --> 03:21:39,119
could raise him. But you can't
erase Wu Tang. You can't erase

2921
03:21:39,119 --> 03:21:43,259
prodigy. You can't erase NAS.
You can't erase rock in the

2922
03:21:43,259 --> 03:21:46,049
can't erase drag electronica and
I can just keep going down the

2923
03:21:46,049 --> 03:21:51,569
list. Brand new being you can't
erase them, you know, large

2924
03:21:51,569 --> 03:21:55,859
amount is blocked. Lord Jamar is
probably the biggest and most

2925
03:21:55,859 --> 03:22:00,869
popular 5% And right now. I will
say

2926
03:22:01,620 --> 03:22:03,720
Adam Curry: I have seen he has
some I have some listening to

2927
03:22:03,720 --> 03:22:05,220
do. Yeah.

2928
03:22:07,350 --> 03:22:11,700
Moe Factz: Yeah, and this is the
music is actually good. That's

2929
03:22:11,700 --> 03:22:14,880
the point. Is not that all I'm
listening to this because you

2930
03:22:14,880 --> 03:22:17,070
know, kind of like when you
listen to church music, it's

2931
03:22:17,070 --> 03:22:21,360
like it's a substitute. No, the
music actually good. And it was

2932
03:22:21,360 --> 03:22:25,980
embedded with just a whole host.
And me being a Christian. I'm

2933
03:22:25,980 --> 03:22:30,870
not espousing their beliefs.
What I'm espousing is, we have

2934
03:22:30,870 --> 03:22:38,790
to realize that it's only a few
of us. If you do the math out of

2935
03:22:38,790 --> 03:22:43,110
every 100 people you meet only
five of them and no one's gonna

2936
03:22:43,110 --> 03:22:46,140
know what's up and not
weaponizing it other people.

2937
03:22:46,559 --> 03:22:50,219
Adam Curry: And they all listen
to mo facts. Every single

2938
03:22:50,219 --> 03:22:54,149
believe so every single one of
those comments. It is of course,

2939
03:22:54,209 --> 03:22:54,569
but

2940
03:22:54,900 --> 03:22:57,660
Moe Factz: what you know what
though? That's, I heard some of

2941
03:22:57,660 --> 03:23:00,390
that and no agenda when you're
talking about Shut up slaves.

2942
03:23:00,900 --> 03:23:04,200
And he was saying you're human.
It wasn't your human resource.

2943
03:23:04,890 --> 03:23:07,080
No, but what the girl was the
girl saying when they're

2944
03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:08,550
marching your human

2945
03:23:10,709 --> 03:23:13,139
Adam Curry: pigs in human
clothing? Yeah.

2946
03:23:14,400 --> 03:23:17,640
Moe Factz: That's how they look
at us is not an honor. Because

2947
03:23:17,640 --> 03:23:22,830
like even Claire 30 as not now
you're just not about race. Um,

2948
03:23:24,600 --> 03:23:27,210
as much as it's about, you know,
because this is the flesh

2949
03:23:27,210 --> 03:23:30,990
through. It's about the spirit.
Yeah. What time you operate. No,

2950
03:23:31,020 --> 03:23:34,470
but I'm not to belabor the
point. Let's go ahead and get

2951
03:23:34,470 --> 03:23:37,980
into 3038. And this is more
about Clarence.

2952
03:23:41,459 --> 03:23:44,759
Unknown: To loyalists, who were
always near brother Claridge,

2953
03:23:45,179 --> 03:23:48,689
was a brother named Yoo hoo, who
was like a Minister of

2954
03:23:48,689 --> 03:23:53,579
Information, who was hardly seen
without his boombox, where he

2955
03:23:53,579 --> 03:23:58,049
dialed in, alternating between
news and black music stations.

2956
03:23:58,319 --> 03:24:01,889
No one had a bigger record
collection than brother Yoo hoo,

2957
03:24:02,579 --> 03:24:07,859
solo, r&b, jazz, you name it. He
had it. But brother yoo hoo

2958
03:24:07,859 --> 03:24:13,049
rules collection was no match
for what the FBI had. They

2959
03:24:13,049 --> 03:24:17,129
purchased everything you who
caught and went over each song

2960
03:24:17,189 --> 03:24:21,569
with a fine tooth comb, because
they wanted to know what the

2961
03:24:21,569 --> 03:24:26,039
Five Percenters were listening
to. The agents could recite and

2962
03:24:26,039 --> 03:24:30,899
sing the lyrics backwards. They
could tell you what the latest

2963
03:24:30,929 --> 03:24:35,249
dance crazes were in the black
community. And due to stigma

2964
03:24:35,249 --> 03:24:39,209
black leaders were putting out
tell you where you could go to

2965
03:24:39,209 --> 03:24:44,249
get the best soul food in town.
Knew what you ate for breakfast,

2966
03:24:44,249 --> 03:24:49,649
lunch and dinner. What your
favorite snacks were Bureau

2967
03:24:49,649 --> 03:24:54,179
wasn't playing when it came to
securing what they established.

2968
03:24:54,780 --> 03:24:59,490
Moe Factz: Now. Once again,
yeah, these intelligence

2969
03:24:59,520 --> 03:25:05,190
agencies He's keeping their ear
to the ground. keeping their eye

2970
03:25:05,190 --> 03:25:08,820
open for that next Messiah.
Megan is not gonna stop

2971
03:25:08,850 --> 03:25:11,130
Adam Curry: makes you wonder
about Ari Melber, doesn't it?

2972
03:25:12,870 --> 03:25:14,160
Moe Factz: I've always had,

2973
03:25:15,120 --> 03:25:18,360
Adam Curry: he's always reciting
Hip Hop lyrics. Like you're

2974
03:25:18,360 --> 03:25:20,130
such. You're so your sauce.
Dude.

2975
03:25:20,399 --> 03:25:24,119
Moe Factz: You're very he's a
last. He's the least hip person.

2976
03:25:24,119 --> 03:25:29,369
There is. Yeah. Reason why I say
that is like it's not

2977
03:25:29,429 --> 03:25:32,639
appropriate how he uses the bar.

2978
03:25:33,179 --> 03:25:36,449
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Not at all.

2979
03:25:36,900 --> 03:25:39,210
Moe Factz: Just cost you note a
lot. I don't mean you will say

2980
03:25:39,210 --> 03:25:42,150
like, you know how to use it.
This is why you can have the

2981
03:25:42,150 --> 03:25:44,700
clothes but you got to know how
to wear it. Right. Exactly.

2982
03:25:44,700 --> 03:25:51,540
Yeah. So I guess I would like to
wrap up. And in all fairness, to

2983
03:25:51,540 --> 03:25:53,730
let you know, I don't pick
favorites. I don't have no

2984
03:25:53,730 --> 03:25:58,800
faith. I think anybody should be
critiqued. This is where I kind

2985
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:06,810
of look inside out at Farrakhan
cuz he spoke about the 10% that

2986
03:26:06,810 --> 03:26:11,040
the who say the Al Sharpton is
in the Jesse Jackson's of the

2987
03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:16,290
world. And like, oh, you gave
him a pass. Now this is him

2988
03:26:16,950 --> 03:26:20,100
explaining the duties of the
Faber center in the next two

2989
03:26:20,100 --> 03:26:22,680
clips. And then like when you
listen to what he says, like

2990
03:26:22,680 --> 03:26:26,520
bruh, I understand why you don't
want to kind of refer nobody

2991
03:26:26,520 --> 03:26:31,710
feathers. But yeah, they 10%
They bloodsuckers of the poor

2992
03:26:31,740 --> 03:26:32,400
39,

2993
03:26:32,520 --> 03:26:35,940
Unknown: the Honorable Elijah
Muhammad said to us, that there

2994
03:26:35,940 --> 03:26:42,300
is 5% Who are the poor,
righteous teachers who don't

2995
03:26:42,300 --> 03:26:48,240
believe the teaching of lies of
the 10%. But this 5% All lies

2996
03:26:48,240 --> 03:26:51,960
and know who the true and living
God is. And they teach that the

2997
03:26:51,960 --> 03:26:56,520
true and living God is the son
of man, the Supreme Being the

2998
03:26:56,520 --> 03:27:00,960
black man of Asia. They're also
known as civilized people,

2999
03:27:01,110 --> 03:27:07,080
Muslims and Muslim sons. Here is
a small percentage of people who

3000
03:27:07,080 --> 03:27:13,470
know God. And when they know
God, they have a duty. And that

3001
03:27:13,470 --> 03:27:19,080
duty is to teach what you know,
to those who do not know.

3002
03:27:21,809 --> 03:27:24,749
Yes to duty, yeah. Well
fulfilled.

3003
03:27:25,709 --> 03:27:27,569
Moe Factz: You can't you can't
you know, you can't keep your

3004
03:27:27,569 --> 03:27:30,599
pearls to yourself. Now, you
don't cast your pearls before

3005
03:27:30,599 --> 03:27:36,299
swine either. No, yeah. But you,
you you have to offer them to be

3006
03:27:36,299 --> 03:27:39,449
had. And you know, and if it's
not accepted, you just keep

3007
03:27:39,449 --> 03:27:43,739
moving. But, um, that's the
purpose. Now, I guess we can

3008
03:27:43,739 --> 03:27:46,829
wrap up with 40, where he goes
further into his point

3009
03:27:47,010 --> 03:27:51,540
Unknown: goes of us who are in
pursuit of that duty, have 10%,

3010
03:27:52,230 --> 03:27:56,940
the rich, the bloodsuckers of
the poor, the slave makers of

3011
03:27:56,940 --> 03:28:03,750
the poor, they hate the 5%. They
have control over 85%. So they

3012
03:28:03,750 --> 03:28:09,090
turn the 85% against the
righteous teacher. This is how

3013
03:28:09,090 --> 03:28:12,990
they've been able to kill the
profits, kill the communities,

3014
03:28:13,170 --> 03:28:17,670
because the leaders who are the
blood suckers of the poor, have

3015
03:28:17,670 --> 03:28:21,690
control over the minds of the
masses, and they feed the

3016
03:28:21,690 --> 03:28:25,590
masses, more lies about a
righteous teacher, so that the

3017
03:28:25,590 --> 03:28:29,790
righteous teacher will be
persecuted by the 10%, not

3018
03:28:29,790 --> 03:28:34,410
helped by the 85% so that they
can kill the righteous teacher.

3019
03:28:34,830 --> 03:28:40,050
But a new thing is happening
today. A new thing is happening

3020
03:28:40,050 --> 03:28:45,450
today. The masses white, brown,
red, yellow, and black, to be

3021
03:28:45,450 --> 03:28:49,380
told the truth. And when the
masses are told the truth, they

3022
03:28:49,380 --> 03:28:54,060
will be free from the web of
lies of the 10% who have made

3023
03:28:54,060 --> 03:28:57,960
slaves of the poor, and who are
the blood suckers of the poor.

3024
03:28:58,170 --> 03:29:02,520
And the number one blood sucker
of the poor today is the United

3025
03:29:02,520 --> 03:29:04,560
States government of America.

3026
03:29:09,240 --> 03:29:10,560
Adam Curry: Shut that man up.

3027
03:29:11,399 --> 03:29:12,719
Moe Factz: That'll make you very
unpopular.

3028
03:29:12,750 --> 03:29:16,410
Adam Curry: very unpopular. Oh,
man.

3029
03:29:16,979 --> 03:29:20,129
Moe Factz: Mr. Curry, I like to
ask you one question before we

3030
03:29:20,129 --> 03:29:24,509
wrap the show. Sure. Do you not
find it strange?

3031
03:29:25,410 --> 03:29:27,420
Unknown: That the talented 10th

3032
03:29:28,920 --> 03:29:31,950
Moe Factz: Is is who they
elevate is who was supposed to

3033
03:29:31,950 --> 03:29:35,970
say black people is not a
strange number. Isn't that the

3034
03:29:35,970 --> 03:29:38,130
isn't that? Do you find that?
Sure. I don't want to lead the

3035
03:29:38,130 --> 03:29:41,310
witness. Do you find that
strange or? Well, they are.

3036
03:29:43,950 --> 03:29:46,470
Okay, hold on a second. Let me
read this.

3037
03:29:46,530 --> 03:29:48,960
Adam Curry: Let me regret the
question because when you say

3038
03:29:48,960 --> 03:29:52,290
talented 10th I'm thinking
immediately about you being

3039
03:29:52,290 --> 03:29:54,510
selected as one of the talented
10th But

3040
03:29:54,570 --> 03:29:57,360
Moe Factz: that's the Boulais
that's the goal. That's that was

3041
03:29:57,360 --> 03:30:01,740
a WEB DuBois. Let me flesh it
out a little bit. THE WEB DuBois

3042
03:30:01,740 --> 03:30:06,120
plan was elevate tempers in our
race. And now pull up the other

3043
03:30:06,120 --> 03:30:14,430
90% is these numbers. These
numbers are five just strange,

3044
03:30:14,430 --> 03:30:17,190
strangely coincidental.

3045
03:30:21,240 --> 03:30:27,660
Adam Curry: I wish I could give
you an answer Mo. Do you mean

3046
03:30:27,660 --> 03:30:30,840
the 10%? The 85%? The 5%?

3047
03:30:31,440 --> 03:30:35,190
Moe Factz: Yes. So let me I
guess I'll just get my own

3048
03:30:35,190 --> 03:30:35,670
question.

3049
03:30:35,700 --> 03:30:37,650
Adam Curry: You're gonna have
to. Okay.

3050
03:30:38,670 --> 03:30:43,740
Moe Factz: They tell us count
though your 10% to elevate the

3051
03:30:43,740 --> 03:30:48,420
whole race. But what I know is
the 10% is actually the

3052
03:30:48,420 --> 03:30:54,330
bloodsuckers bogged down and
other 85 blood so it's, it's

3053
03:30:54,330 --> 03:30:57,720
like you lead me into that
burning house? How can I trust

3054
03:30:57,720 --> 03:31:02,850
them? They're the bloodsuckers.
Where you can't lay is the

3055
03:31:02,850 --> 03:31:05,820
blood. Now you see why I'm so
hard and under blue light is not

3056
03:31:05,850 --> 03:31:09,390
personal. Y'all are the slave
makers.

3057
03:31:10,080 --> 03:31:12,120
Adam Curry: And they know it.
They know it.

3058
03:31:15,299 --> 03:31:18,269
Moe Factz: And that's what I was
asked. That was the you answer

3059
03:31:18,269 --> 03:31:22,619
my question you say perfectly.
Do you think they know or not?

3060
03:31:22,649 --> 03:31:27,149
You're? The Of course, that's
why I have a heart. That's why I

3061
03:31:27,179 --> 03:31:28,439
keep my foot on their neck.

3062
03:31:28,860 --> 03:31:30,630
Adam Curry: I mean, I can
because it's funny because

3063
03:31:30,630 --> 03:31:32,850
whenever you say Boulais
whenever we talk about boo,

3064
03:31:32,850 --> 03:31:35,760
like, I can't help but see
Charlamagne tha God, he seems

3065
03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:40,050
like the perfect example of the
boot. Now he has Boulais above

3066
03:31:40,050 --> 03:31:45,000
him. But he that's what he does.
It's so clear.

3067
03:31:46,979 --> 03:31:52,079
Moe Factz: And he's valuable
because he's still hip. That's

3068
03:31:52,079 --> 03:31:56,009
the that's the most valuable
blue light right there where he

3069
03:31:56,279 --> 03:32:03,179
has the vernacular of the of the
youth. Yeah, and had the timing

3070
03:32:03,179 --> 03:32:06,839
but if you listen to him long
enough, you can you can you can

3071
03:32:06,869 --> 03:32:10,799
you can pick up the 10% vibes on
Boulais vibes.

3072
03:32:11,010 --> 03:32:15,750
Adam Curry: Oh, for sure. So now
let me ask you a question. We've

3073
03:32:15,750 --> 03:32:22,500
had the higher infinite power.
This was help our people I have

3074
03:32:22,500 --> 03:32:25,650
a feeling we've got a third in
the series coming or am I

3075
03:32:25,650 --> 03:32:26,370
mistaken?

3076
03:32:27,900 --> 03:32:29,910
Moe Factz: It's not a third in
the series, but it's the

3077
03:32:29,910 --> 03:32:32,580
continuation of this
conversation. I'll say it like

3078
03:32:32,580 --> 03:32:36,480
that. Because we haven't got to
the bastardization of this

3079
03:32:36,510 --> 03:32:40,410
higher inference higher infinite
power. I had to do it in this

3080
03:32:40,410 --> 03:32:44,760
way. Oh, explaining what the
power was, and how it was meant

3081
03:32:44,760 --> 03:32:49,350
to be used. But in the coming
episode, we're going to talk

3082
03:32:49,350 --> 03:32:54,210
about how it's been hijacked,
manipulated, and leading people

3083
03:32:55,260 --> 03:32:56,040
to death.

3084
03:32:57,900 --> 03:33:01,590
Adam Curry: And that will
conclude episode 94 of Mo FAQs

3085
03:33:01,590 --> 03:33:02,490
with Adam curry.

3086
03:33:03,629 --> 03:33:07,859
Moe Factz: And as I always say,
pay attention to everything in

3087
03:33:07,859 --> 03:33:09,389
the true reveal itself.

3088
03:33:09,479 --> 03:33:12,899
Adam Curry: Mo I cannot tell you
how much I enjoyed this episode

3089
03:33:12,899 --> 03:33:15,959
brother was quite the education
for me.

3090
03:33:17,910 --> 03:33:19,920
Moe Factz: Always a great
conversation with you out and I

3091
03:33:19,920 --> 03:33:20,130
look

3092
03:33:20,130 --> 03:33:22,890
Adam Curry: forward to the next
time within the next few weeks.

3093
03:33:23,130 --> 03:33:26,640
Mo take care of yourself
brother. Stand you out alright

3094
03:33:26,640 --> 03:33:29,040
everybody we'll see you soon
right here on mo facts with Adam

3095
03:33:29,040 --> 03:33:29,460
curry.

3096
03:33:31,740 --> 03:33:34,800
Unknown: Back down how can I
escape? How can I survive what

3097
03:33:35,970 --> 03:33:39,630
is prepared for the standoff put
your hand on that white rock and

3098
03:33:39,630 --> 03:33:43,230
didn't give folks the biggest
dream was to rock a fit the

3099
03:33:43,230 --> 03:33:46,320
beach you wouldn't have God's
crib in the White Party points

3100
03:33:46,320 --> 03:33:50,280
but at the same time, make his
own block. Some Rocky was sleep

3101
03:33:50,280 --> 03:33:53,790
hop pacella crossbills being
watched all day like enemies

3102
03:33:53,790 --> 03:33:56,850
break faces you never seen
before us in your hallway I

3103
03:33:56,940 --> 03:34:03,420
promise you man. Back in the
days you will post a motor show

3104
03:34:03,420 --> 03:34:06,990
I would like to fail Oh to clear
my head stay sober to show

3105
03:34:06,990 --> 03:34:07,560
console.

3106
03:34:44,760 --> 03:34:48,660
Defense of the fall big buffalo
last Charles Muhajirs God bang

3107
03:34:48,660 --> 03:34:51,960
sang for ad God decided to keep
up with these key all the smoke

3108
03:34:51,960 --> 03:34:54,720
busts in the US Mint they want
to rock the place and quarter

3109
03:34:54,720 --> 03:34:59,520
was his biggest red valleys on
this morning. Everybody would

3110
03:34:59,580 --> 03:35:02,670
get him Tyree kill for power
robbing schools in the game.

3111
03:35:02,910 --> 03:35:07,080
Last week lives crack was that
your head drew these guards over

3112
03:35:07,080 --> 03:35:13,500
the past couple weeks with a
quick pass by could be golf this

3113
03:35:13,500 --> 03:35:17,820
year saw the only saw watch and
get a feel for you blue beside

3114
03:35:17,820 --> 03:35:21,570
the eyes a heavy postman to
speak balancing snowbirds, seven

3115
03:35:21,660 --> 03:35:25,620
seven they sold

3116
03:35:35,580 --> 03:35:36,180
they sold