1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,120 Unknown: Hi 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,920 Adam curry, John C Dvorak. 3 00:00:04,950 --> 00:00:07,980 Adam Curry: It's Thursday June 27 2019. This is your award 4 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:11,370 winning give on nation media assassination episode 1150. 5 00:00:11,580 --> 00:00:13,560 Unknown: This is no agenda, 6 00:00:14,340 --> 00:00:16,710 Adam Curry: enjoying all the bugs on offer in my city and 7 00:00:16,710 --> 00:00:19,530 broadcasting live from the frontier of Austin, Texas 8 00:00:19,530 --> 00:00:22,590 capitol. The drone stars day in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam 9 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:22,980 curry 10 00:00:23,429 --> 00:00:25,259 John C. Dvorak: from Northern Silicon Valley where the 11 00:00:25,259 --> 00:00:31,889 Democrats all say podcast no agenda as low mass inborn. I'm 12 00:00:31,889 --> 00:00:34,799 Jesse. Raglan Buzzkill. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,770 Adam Curry: Okay, we can all go home. You nailed it. And that's 14 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:50,760 our show. Very good. Very good. I have to admit, I did double 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,490 duty but really shows four different activity last night. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,940 John C. Dvorak: Sex. Oh, God, I 17 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:01,620 Adam Curry: wish now I second best thing. I went out to dinner 18 00:01:01,620 --> 00:01:05,040 with the New York former New York banker. Oh, good. Yeah. 19 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:09,300 Yeah. Which I was like, really? Did you know what I do? You're 20 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:12,480 going to take me out on a Wednesday night when you know 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,410 the debates or Russia 22 00:01:13,410 --> 00:01:17,460 John C. Dvorak: debates at the bar at all the bars, 23 00:01:17,790 --> 00:01:19,620 Adam Curry: debates. No, no, we went 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,670 John C. Dvorak: to LA they did. Oh, really? That you would 25 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:25,680 Adam Curry: have actually would have been a very Austin thing 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,450 but he took me to a brand new restaurant. there and let me 27 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:34,860 tell you, this is big outside money coming in to Austin. Look 28 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:41,850 up Commodore CLM e DLR Commodore in Austin. This is I don't know 29 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:47,280 how much they paid to build this restaurant. It is cool. 30 00:01:48,930 --> 00:01:51,720 John C. Dvorak: See c o m e d o R 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,610 Adam Curry: Yeah, Commodore monster Yes. They got some like 32 00:01:56,610 --> 00:02:00,930 celebrity guys. I guess some kind of well known chef it's a 33 00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:06,060 Mexican restaurant. But it has a very specific cook besides it 34 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:11,790 being you know total kind of hipster place in architecture I 35 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:15,150 mean seriously the way they built this with cool you know 36 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:18,300 they can open up the whole side of the of the restaurant and 37 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:23,010 they've got these beautiful change. It looks very steampunk 38 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:23,490 ish. 39 00:02:24,870 --> 00:02:26,790 John C. Dvorak: But there seems to be is just a big brown 40 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:30,600 building or the one next to it. The building it's, 41 00:02:30,870 --> 00:02:32,760 Adam Curry: it's well it's brown. You see brick in the 42 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:42,090 front. It's anyway giant their. Their hook is they serve bugs. 43 00:02:42,570 --> 00:02:45,510 Oh, brother. How could How could I pass it 44 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:47,520 John C. Dvorak: up? Do you have a bunch? 45 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:50,070 Adam Curry: Of course I did. I had the ants and the 46 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:58,980 grasshoppers I honestly it was disappointing. Because they have 47 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:02,490 one because you know the girl comes over she's like me how can 48 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:05,190 I help you with anything so yeah, what has the grasshoppers 49 00:03:05,730 --> 00:03:07,770 John C. Dvorak: you know, I've been in Mexico Mexico's had been 50 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:11,640 all I don't know that. I've went to one of the better restaurants 51 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,600 in Mexico City and they had bugs on the menu. Well, it was the 52 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,630 here's the disappointing weird mold that you get off a corn but 53 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:19,440 yes, they 54 00:03:19,890 --> 00:03:22,980 Adam Curry: they serve that as well. The that's fungus I think. 55 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:25,590 John C. Dvorak: Well, whatever it is. It's really tasty. It's 56 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:26,010 very 57 00:03:26,010 --> 00:03:29,220 Adam Curry: tasty. I was disappointed. I'm thinking I'm 58 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:31,530 gonna have great I'm gonna see a grasshopper I'm gonna have to 59 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:34,260 crunch this thing in my teeth. These were little baby 60 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:37,470 grasshoppers like that just came out of an incubator low premium 61 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:42,210 was just a sprinkling on top. You can't you couldn't really 62 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,390 try to take a picture. It can't really tell if it's great. Now 63 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:50,910 maybe maybe was just you could see an odd leg or two. But it 64 00:03:50,910 --> 00:03:51,240 was 65 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:54,780 John C. Dvorak: placed like this is that it's a good cover for 66 00:03:55,050 --> 00:03:57,180 when it gets infested by cockroaches. 67 00:03:58,710 --> 00:04:03,120 Adam Curry: And then the ants were on the desert on the ice 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,840 cream. So there's the charming sprinkle a little dab which 69 00:04:06,870 --> 00:04:09,720 interestingly the New York banker turned his nose up at 70 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:17,160 that. He tried to wear his I tried him and I thought peppery 71 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,570 John C. Dvorak: oh there peppery? Yeah. So then you did 72 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:26,940 double duty so you came back and watch the debates after the 73 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:27,390 fact. 74 00:04:27,419 --> 00:04:30,539 Adam Curry: Yeah, I skimmed through it. This last night was 75 00:04:30,569 --> 00:04:34,529 I knew this wasn't gonna be much and and although for me it was 76 00:04:34,529 --> 00:04:39,089 kind of interesting to see the the audio the technical issues 77 00:04:39,089 --> 00:04:42,629 they had. I really felt bad Well, everyone's laughing and 78 00:04:42,749 --> 00:04:42,989 you know 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,560 John C. Dvorak: and of course you got in or didn't or in your 80 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,010 I know 81 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,830 Adam Curry: it's I know this feeling there's a guy and he's 82 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:53,310 pulling his hair out and they can't figure out why the routing 83 00:04:53,310 --> 00:04:57,780 from the IFBB from the from the from the control room is routing 84 00:04:57,780 --> 00:04:59,880 through to the floor and probably in everyone else's 85 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,110 eyes. I have been and 86 00:05:01,110 --> 00:05:03,720 John C. Dvorak: by the way with these new rigs, I don't even 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,750 know I don't know if I can even operate one. They have this 88 00:05:06,750 --> 00:05:10,380 networking system. I already know there's a name for it. And 89 00:05:10,380 --> 00:05:11,340 everybody uses 90 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:13,740 Adam Curry: the audio networking at all. It all runs through. 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,290 There's no more cables, no more cables. 92 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:18,720 John C. Dvorak: It's Ethernet one plug in. 93 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:22,410 Adam Curry: No, it's all Ethernet. So the routing matrix 94 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:25,770 is completely digitized. And if it gets, I mean, this is why I 95 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:28,770 felt bad. I couldn't really sit there was shot in Freud going, 96 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:34,410 Ah, you suck. Even though I understand why people think it's 97 00:05:34,410 --> 00:05:37,350 funny. But from a professional standpoint, I feel bad. Some 98 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:40,710 guys something happened. And I've been there so many times on 99 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:46,680 this very show. So do you know I did like the memes that I did. 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Trump was tweeting all kinds of funny memes about and of course, 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,760 distracting from anything by just you know, highlighting the 102 00:05:53,790 --> 00:06:00,360 audio glitch. But also, but also, everyone on stage, almost 103 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,490 everyone on stage. They take themselves so seriously, 104 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:11,610 especially MSNBC and Rachel and, and Chip Chuck chod cast. The 105 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:15,570 goal was the debate that was participating in demography. 106 00:06:16,740 --> 00:06:21,990 Please, this stupid little dog and pony show. It's not even a 107 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:26,580 debate that can have 10 people and have a debate. Have you ever 108 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:30,030 heard that? You were a master debater? Weren't you in? 109 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,400 John C. Dvorak: It was always a master debater. 110 00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:35,910 Adam Curry: I I masturbate the master? Okay, here we go. Wow. 111 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:40,680 John C. Dvorak: I can't even keep the joke. No, I tried. 112 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:46,920 Thank you. Stop. Let's start with this. You nailed it. You 113 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,810 dropped the ball. You are nailed it. And you went off your merry 114 00:06:51,810 --> 00:06:58,770 way with Stacey Abrams. What? Yes. I remember this. It was 115 00:06:58,770 --> 00:07:03,780 about a year or maybe two years ago. Yeah. No, no all talk. Are 116 00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:07,350 you talking about Stroh as the guy the go to guy No 117 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,340 Adam Curry: incorrect snow incorrect. It was Pennebaker, 118 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:15,240 the professor in Austin when he was accusing me and my then 119 00:07:15,270 --> 00:07:18,630 future wife of having white privilege and saying that the 120 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:21,630 Castro brothers were going to be the ones it wasn't me it was 121 00:07:21,630 --> 00:07:22,890 from an obat dinner. 122 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:25,290 John C. Dvorak: Well, you brought it up. 123 00:07:26,430 --> 00:07:27,480 Adam Curry: That's different. 124 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:32,070 John C. Dvorak: In fact, Castro was the guy who won you to oh, I 125 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:32,790 Adam Curry: disagree. 126 00:07:32,820 --> 00:07:34,710 John C. Dvorak: I disagree. You can disagree all you want but 127 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:37,920 every if you read anything today this morning, and if you watch 128 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,580 the thing with Democrat perspective, or you listen to 129 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:45,690 the kids now I'm going to play some clips from the teen panel. 130 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:45,840 Can 131 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,330 Adam Curry: I just say one thing about Castro briefly last night? 132 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:52,140 The only thing the banker said the former banker said about the 133 00:07:52,140 --> 00:07:55,410 debates was well this should be Castro's Last Stand he should be 134 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,410 out of there by now and I have no idea it came out of the blue 135 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,070 I didn't really ask him about anything he pinpointed Castro 136 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:06,330 was Castro's got to go and I'm just taking this in for what it 137 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:08,220 is elite circles etc 138 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:12,330 John C. Dvorak: he's probably anti bank or something I mean 139 00:08:12,330 --> 00:08:16,050 Castro's not gonna get in anyway. But he's he's not gonna 140 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:19,200 go after this performance he would most people saw him as 141 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,320 number one. And four listen to what the teens said. 142 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:24,930 Adam Curry: What is this? Yeah, what is this teens panel what's 143 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:25,440 going on with 144 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:29,370 John C. Dvorak: BC put together a panel of teens and millennials 145 00:08:29,370 --> 00:08:32,100 and they're not all teens and most of them college students, 146 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:36,450 but I'm calling them teens because they sounded like give 147 00:08:36,450 --> 00:08:41,310 you an example of the of the team. Here's a comment from one 148 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:44,700 of the one of the college panelists this is a guy with a 149 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,930 probably an inflamed and make deal. Trump hater, I'm guessing, 150 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:53,640 confused in general. And I want you to listen to this guy. And 151 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,940 tell me what he said after after he played his clip, which is 152 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,910 teen panel, weird comments that go nowhere. 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,740 Unknown: I'm also very interested in the preventative 154 00:09:01,740 --> 00:09:04,530 care model that a lot of the Democratic candidates that seem 155 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:07,170 to suggest tonight where we look at the root causes of the issue, 156 00:09:07,170 --> 00:09:12,150 whether that is gun control, or immigration or health care. And 157 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:14,910 we noticed that there's a lack of economic economic 158 00:09:14,910 --> 00:09:18,900 opportunity. And there's also a lack of care services that are 159 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:21,840 implemented throughout one's lifetime that might result in 160 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,580 these really terrible social issues. 161 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:31,050 Adam Curry: What was I supposed to understand that somehow very, 162 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:32,010 very difficult. 163 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:34,590 John C. Dvorak: He was just dropping in memes and it was 164 00:09:34,590 --> 00:09:37,710 like it was nonstop and he never really included anything. It was 165 00:09:37,740 --> 00:09:40,740 idiotic, but that but that was the group. This is a bunch of 166 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:44,760 young college kids. And so I got a couple of things. Here's the 167 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:52,350 here they're talking about the Spanish that was initiated by 168 00:09:52,650 --> 00:09:58,650 Castro, no Beto know what he taught it is initiated by the 169 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:05,670 Baito. Beto Beto in the first in the first round of questions 170 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:09,000 which brought which had me take some notes on it, because 171 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,450 there's a couple of things I noticed one was Amy Klobuchar 172 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:16,350 when they first turned the camera on her. She was if you 173 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:21,990 had a 4k TV and you could get a good upscaling, she was shaking 174 00:10:21,990 --> 00:10:23,430 like a leaf. Well, 175 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:26,640 Adam Curry: I thought Booker's face was pretty funny. When Beto 176 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,350 started doing that Booker's face like 177 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:33,780 John C. Dvorak: lit up when beta O'Rourke started speaking 178 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:38,250 Spanish and so then Booker felt he had to speak some Spanish and 179 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:40,500 of course, the only guy who could really speak perfect 180 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:45,210 Spanish was Castro. And then other one that were that that 181 00:10:45,210 --> 00:10:49,860 was a pure fail was Tulsi. This would ask the question right off 182 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:54,210 the bat, her first question was a very specific question. And 183 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:57,450 instead of even coming close to answering it, she goes off on 184 00:10:57,450 --> 00:11:04,770 her on her creds on her bio her, her you know, her background and 185 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:08,040 how she went to the war a number of times, she's the only anti 186 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,850 war candidate had nothing to do with it. So she was out and then 187 00:11:11,850 --> 00:11:14,940 the other thing I noticed the major thing I noticed that this 188 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:19,350 again, would be a NBC staging. There were nobody was using 189 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:26,040 Apple crates. So you you you saw a midget a dwarf a big tall 190 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,370 dude. I mean, it was horrible looking at 191 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,470 Adam Curry: them. You know, it's interesting, you say that as 192 00:11:31,470 --> 00:11:34,110 I've looked at the shot, and again, I didn't get home until 193 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:37,860 quarter to 10 as I looked at the shot, like what something's 194 00:11:37,860 --> 00:11:41,040 wrong with this, and I couldn't quite pinpoint it but you just 195 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,430 you just nailed it. They they didn't equalize the candidates. 196 00:11:44,939 --> 00:11:46,979 John C. Dvorak: They didn't have to equalize the shoulder even 197 00:11:46,979 --> 00:11:51,119 No, but a little bit. A little something because you got a six 198 00:11:51,119 --> 00:11:55,589 nine guy there. You got another tall dude. Tulsi is pretty big, 199 00:11:55,589 --> 00:11:59,639 so she held her own but you got a pretty much a borderline dwarf 200 00:11:59,639 --> 00:12:03,509 with klore. Klobuchar, and then Warren is a diminutive, she's a 201 00:12:03,509 --> 00:12:08,339 pity woman. So they needed to put them on a full crate. At 202 00:12:08,339 --> 00:12:08,879 least by 203 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,770 Adam Curry: the way, we're talking as television producers 204 00:12:10,770 --> 00:12:15,480 here not as not as hateful people. This is how television 205 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,260 producers talk. Ladies borderline dwarf get her an 206 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:24,690 apple crate. Yeah, by the way, I'm I disagree about Tulsi. But 207 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:26,370 we can get to that later after you're done with 208 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,930 John C. Dvorak: was one of the losers but but so let's listen 209 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:34,320 to the kids talking about this. About what they thought about 210 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,970 them speaking Spanish. 211 00:12:36,060 --> 00:12:38,520 Unknown: What were some eyeroll moments because I definitely saw 212 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,820 some from you guys. Ariana, I saw a lot from you. When Cory 213 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:45,900 Booker was talking, I saw a couple like, Oh, God, from you 214 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,080 guys. So what were some of those things that you weren't so 215 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:49,830 thrilled about? 216 00:12:50,340 --> 00:12:53,280 Adam Curry: When Baito spoke Spanish even like initially, I 217 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,200 don't want to say I didn't like it, but I think it like caught 218 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,030 some people off guard. And you could see even some of the other 219 00:12:57,030 --> 00:12:59,640 candidates were a little shaken up by that. So 220 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,130 I thought that was what Chris expression is trending all over 221 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:02,910 Twitter. 222 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:05,670 John C. Dvorak: I think just as the Spanish speaking went on, I 223 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:07,950 thought that it was great when Baito did it the first time but 224 00:13:07,950 --> 00:13:11,100 then as it continued on with the multiple candidates, I felt like 225 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:14,490 especially with Booker, it kind of felt like pandering for some 226 00:13:14,490 --> 00:13:16,830 reason it just didn't feel as genuine coming from him. And I 227 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:19,470 just feel like any moments that didn't feel as genuine coming 228 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:21,030 from the candidates when we talked about like, 229 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:22,500 Adam Curry: wait a minute, let me ask you a question. Like is 230 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,570 this like a white valley girl type like girl who has who's 231 00:13:24,570 --> 00:13:26,610 talking about pandering like to brown people she even allowed to 232 00:13:26,610 --> 00:13:28,230 do that doesn't even white privilege? Like is that okay? 233 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:29,970 John C. Dvorak: Any politics when 234 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:31,860 the vocal frighten me? 235 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:35,730 I can't do it. His neighborhood repeatedly. I'm in kind of the 236 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:38,940 same fashion. For me, 237 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:43,410 Adam Curry: typical, typical, I got a lot of feedback from the 238 00:13:43,410 --> 00:13:46,290 millennials about this. They thought it was they didn't like 239 00:13:46,290 --> 00:13:49,140 it didn't like any of it. And I'm surprised I'm like, How can 240 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:53,490 you be so racist? Just using their words. 241 00:13:55,980 --> 00:14:01,650 John C. Dvorak: Listen to this clip retaining I'm sorry, 242 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,380 redeemed debate team. Oh, I'm sorry, yes, I 243 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:07,800 got it, how we often have to try to balance the two finding jobs 244 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,360 or taking care of the environment and seeing what's 245 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,700 going to happen in the future. So Elizabeth kind of talked 246 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:15,780 about on the Green Deal, green New Deal tonna helping those who 247 00:14:15,780 --> 00:14:19,320 are within these Indus Dying industries, helping them to 248 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,500 retrain and to newer industries, that way, they're not 249 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:25,260 necessarily losing their jobs, they are simply moving into 250 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:28,350 something else that would be able to help not only the 251 00:14:28,350 --> 00:14:30,840 economy but to be able to help the environment. So that's 252 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,520 actually a very interesting perspective. 253 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:36,510 So So I want to talk about this I'm sorry, I played a clip I 254 00:14:36,510 --> 00:14:40,260 should play it later. I just retraining is was not retaining. 255 00:14:40,530 --> 00:14:42,960 All right. Here's the final clip from these guys. And this is 256 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,650 what they who they think. Well, I know I got two clips from 257 00:14:46,650 --> 00:14:50,250 them. Okay. This is the Dean panel discussion about the 258 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:51,090 working class. 259 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,380 Unknown: Did you get the specifics on the economic issues 260 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:57,900 that we talked about in our before in the debate that you 261 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:58,740 weren't gonna or 262 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,920 I mean, Mayor de Blasio specifically kept talking about 263 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,620 how he wants to shift the Democratic Party back to being 264 00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:07,710 the party of the working class, but never really gave me any, 265 00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:10,620 you know, specific policy solutions for it. And the fact 266 00:15:10,620 --> 00:15:12,750 of the matter is, is that blue collar America is happening in 267 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:16,290 Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, those key states that 268 00:15:16,290 --> 00:15:19,620 the president won in 2016. Because this message resonated 269 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:22,890 with those kinds of voters. Blue Collar America isn't happening 270 00:15:22,890 --> 00:15:25,590 as much in New York City, as it is in places like that in 271 00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:28,680 places, you know, like me at home in West Virginia. So I felt 272 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,200 like that, you know, a lot of the candidates sort of talked 273 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,360 about, you know, Elizabeth Warren talked about the poor 274 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,450 people, but I felt like it was more about, you know, helping 275 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:38,880 them as poor people and getting them back on their feet, finding 276 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,790 jobs for them, and putting them into careers where they can 277 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,470 support their families again. 278 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:45,900 Adam Curry: Well, that's not that I think that's valid. 279 00:15:46,020 --> 00:15:46,860 That's a good point. 280 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:48,120 John C. Dvorak: I thought that was a very good point. 281 00:15:48,390 --> 00:15:50,100 Adam Curry: All I ever hear is we'll give you money we'll give 282 00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:52,260 we'll fix your problems with money Don't worry about anything 283 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:53,970 systemic. We'll fix it with money. 284 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:56,160 John C. Dvorak: Well, some of these young democrats may be 285 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,880 thinking otherwise and I think they're these guys are losing 286 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,580 them. That's why they bring appeal so much. So let's here's 287 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:06,270 their now this is the finale clip. This is each one of them 288 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,300 saying who they thought won the debate. 289 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,900 Unknown: All right, guys, quick lightning round, who won tonight 290 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,810 in your eyes. We'll start with Valentina and go this way. Who 291 00:16:15,810 --> 00:16:18,150 Leon Castro for actually talking policy? 292 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:19,470 Who Leon Castro, 293 00:16:19,830 --> 00:16:21,570 Castro for the same reasons. Wow. 294 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,380 Adam Curry: Secretary Castro? I think Warren actually did a good 295 00:16:25,380 --> 00:16:27,180 job. But I do agree. I 296 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:29,070 Unknown: thought Castro stood out as one of the lesser known 297 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:29,670 candidates. 298 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:34,860 I was actually very surprised by Mayor de Blasio those ideas and 299 00:16:34,890 --> 00:16:35,760 his messaging. 300 00:16:36,270 --> 00:16:39,480 Wow. So Castro kind of stole the spotlight and de Blasio K K 301 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,580 model. Awesome. 302 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:44,550 Adam Curry: Awesome. Thanks, buddy. Thanks for coming. 303 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:47,220 Everybody. Don't forget you. Don't forget your goodie bag, 304 00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:50,730 your tote bag, your swag bag on the way out awesome boys and 305 00:16:50,730 --> 00:16:54,540 girls. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the fact that we even have to 306 00:16:54,780 --> 00:16:59,190 somehow have to have winners. is dumb is ludicrous. The whole 307 00:16:59,190 --> 00:17:03,270 thing is this ludicrous didn't know winner and he put his fun 308 00:17:03,270 --> 00:17:07,230 10 people on a pedestal. I want to play Tulsi Gabbard, because 309 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:11,760 I've liked her. And this is if there's any Democrat. I've liked 310 00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:15,840 consistently on this show for years. It's Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah. 311 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:18,120 And you can call her a loser. 312 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:19,949 John C. Dvorak: She's a loser in this? 313 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:24,360 Adam Curry: No, there's no winners. Let's hold hands and 314 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:29,460 tell the secret. I think what she did with the Ryan character 315 00:17:29,460 --> 00:17:36,990 that Tim Ryan, Ted Ryan, Fred Ryan, Ryan Ryan, I think she she 316 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:37,980 bought land them good. 317 00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:41,550 Unknown: I've been in Congress, 17 years. And 12 of those years, 318 00:17:41,550 --> 00:17:44,640 I've sat on the Armed Services Committee, either the defense 319 00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:47,400 appropriations committee or the Armed Services Committee. And 320 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,760 the lesson that I've learned over the years is that you have 321 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,570 to stay engaged in these situations. Nobody likes it. 322 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:58,680 It's long. It's tedious. But right now we have. So I would 323 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,710 say we must be engaged in this, we must have our State 324 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:04,320 Department engaged, we must have our military engaged to the 325 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,430 state to the extent they need to be if getting a drone shot down 326 00:18:08,430 --> 00:18:14,670 for $130 million. Because the President is distracted. That's 327 00:18:14,670 --> 00:18:18,360 $130 million that we could be spending in places like 328 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,140 Youngstown, Ohio, or Flint, Michigan, or read the building, 329 00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:24,750 Congresswoman Governor building, I'm gonna give you 30 seconds 330 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:29,910 actually, to jump off what he said he described. Tell the 331 00:18:29,910 --> 00:18:33,210 parents of those two soldiers who were just killed in 332 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:37,110 Afghanistan. Well, we just have to be engaged. As a soldier, I 333 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:39,060 will tell you that answer is on by 334 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:41,940 Adam Curry: the way, what she just did there. I think that's 335 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:46,230 the most powerful statement she made as a soldier. I'm not quite 336 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:50,010 sure why Scott Adams might have a better idea. But when she says 337 00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:54,000 as a soldier, her, just the way she looked on stage to who she 338 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,090 is, you got your head kind of goes if you don't know who she 339 00:18:57,090 --> 00:19:02,010 is, like, oh, a soldier and the search data. And I want to 340 00:19:02,010 --> 00:19:05,880 finish this clip to show that she was the most searched for 341 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:11,280 name after the debate, even during some of the debate, like 342 00:19:11,310 --> 00:19:14,100 across the country. Now it's a Google map. So who the hell 343 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:17,250 knows? You know, you can't trust anything, but we'll just take it 344 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:21,450 as a baseline. And I think that for her overall awareness if you 345 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:26,010 know the shows general consensus is she's raising her profile to 346 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:31,380 take over a Mazie Hirono gig. I thought it was good. And to me, 347 00:19:31,380 --> 00:19:33,750 this is a she needs to do that more often jurors who 348 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:36,480 Unknown: were just killed in Afghanistan. Well, we just have 349 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,200 to be engaged. As a soldier, I will tell you that answer is 350 00:19:40,290 --> 00:19:44,490 unacceptable. We have to bring our troops home from 351 00:19:44,490 --> 00:19:47,760 Afghanistan. We are in a place in Afghanistan where we have 352 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,780 lost so many lives. We've spent so much money money that's 353 00:19:51,780 --> 00:19:54,420 coming out of every one of our pockets money that should be 354 00:19:54,420 --> 00:19:57,750 going into communities here at home meeting the needs of the 355 00:19:57,750 --> 00:20:00,900 people here at home. We are no better off I'm in Afghanistan 356 00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:05,040 today than we were when this war began. This is why it's so 357 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,340 important to have a president commander in chief who knows the 358 00:20:08,340 --> 00:20:11,610 cost of war and is ready to do the job on day one. I am ready 359 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:13,710 to do that job. When I walk into the Oval Office. 360 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:18,120 Adam Curry: Ryan is in he had a look on his face, man, he's 361 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,970 pissed off. So he does get 30 seconds. So you felt like she 362 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:23,670 was refunding? You get 30 seconds. I appreciate that. I 363 00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:25,440 hear what you're saying. Thank you, Chuck, just say, 364 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,530 Unknown: I don't want to be engaged. I wish we were spending 365 00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:31,470 all this money in places that I've represented that have been 366 00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:34,560 completely forgotten, and we were rebuilding. But the reality 367 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,100 of it is that the United States isn't engaged. The Taliban will 368 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:44,310 grow and they won't have bigger, bolder terrorist acts. We have 369 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:48,390 got to have some present there. Is this out there long before we 370 00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:54,810 came in there? Exactly. Well, we keep us blind to Afghanistan 371 00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:58,320 thinking that we're going to somehow squash this Taliban. I 372 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:04,230 didn't wash them when we weren't in there. They started flying 373 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:07,500 planes into our buildings. So I'm just saying right now. They 374 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:11,760 didn't attack us on 911. Well, I'll try that. 375 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:23,490 Adam Curry: Guy was protected. I thought that was fantastic. 376 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,500 John C. Dvorak: Well, that was good. But anyone could have done 377 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:28,110 that because it guy's full of shit. That guy. She's 378 00:21:28,110 --> 00:21:29,130 Adam Curry: a soldier. 379 00:21:31,170 --> 00:21:34,230 John C. Dvorak: So he goes on with Yeah, the Taliban attack 380 00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:37,740 does Okay. Sure. It has done nothing. It takes soldiers over 381 00:21:37,740 --> 00:21:41,070 there. But the guy's a bonehead. He's out. He's out. He's 382 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:42,900 eliminated permanently for saying that. 383 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:46,650 Adam Curry: I like Tulsi I thought she finally brought a 384 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:51,600 little bit of fire. She needs to dialed up another 100%. And she 385 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,650 could go somewhere. 386 00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:55,020 John C. Dvorak: I am not going anywhere in this election. She 387 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:58,020 is going into the Senate which is worse, which should be a good 388 00:21:58,020 --> 00:22:00,420 spot. Somebody's got to get rid of this other woman. 389 00:22:00,450 --> 00:22:01,950 Adam Curry: I got to root for somebody. 390 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,630 John C. Dvorak: Well, you should have routed for your old 391 00:22:06,629 --> 00:22:11,549 Adam Curry: pal. No, it's not my old pal, Julian. And this and I 392 00:22:11,549 --> 00:22:17,009 find it from a from an American perspective. This truly is this 393 00:22:17,009 --> 00:22:22,169 all the Spanish speaking is truly. I mean, why don't we just 394 00:22:22,169 --> 00:22:26,099 speak some Somali? Yeah, there's a whole bunch of groups we can 395 00:22:26,099 --> 00:22:29,489 talk to. Why don't everyone just get your Rosetta stone and bone 396 00:22:29,489 --> 00:22:35,249 up on it? I mean, come on. Today. You I find it insulting? 397 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:38,129 I really do. It's just like, because I know who you're 398 00:22:38,129 --> 00:22:40,319 talking to. Yeah, talking to Americans. You're talking to 399 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:44,039 illegal immigrants. People who are in America who are Mexican, 400 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:47,159 Spanish, South American, they speak and understand English. 401 00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:51,390 John C. Dvorak: That was exactly right. That is the reason I 402 00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:54,480 don't see why doesn't make it even more transparent. The whole 403 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,140 point of letting as many illegals in as possible. And 404 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:01,950 then speaking in Spanish, you get him to vote you and then you 405 00:23:01,950 --> 00:23:04,050 can kick him out afterwards. This is the kind of 406 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:07,170 Adam Curry: there was a there was a hilarious, hilarious video 407 00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:14,670 on no agenda. social.com Yeah. I think it was yeah, uh, I think 408 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:18,210 Castro speaking maybe was better when it during his thing. And 409 00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:22,500 there's subtitles, which say, according to the Muller report, 410 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:27,630 no agenda show is the best podcast in the universe. And I 411 00:23:27,630 --> 00:23:30,930 felt I felt pretty left out and I understand kind of what he's 412 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:36,540 saying what they're saying when they do this. No, this just I 413 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:40,590 mean, I could not imagine this happening in any other country. 414 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,650 And people would be up in arms. Here's like, oh, you speak 415 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:47,580 Spanish? I think most Americans are actually impressed. Wow, he 416 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:48,810 speaks another language. 417 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,350 John C. Dvorak: That's odd. But it's a strange sound coming from 418 00:23:52,350 --> 00:23:54,240 his mouth, maybe speaking in tongues. 419 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,660 Adam Curry: But yeah, in combination with with everything 420 00:23:57,660 --> 00:24:00,390 about immigration, then it's just it's clear what you're 421 00:24:00,390 --> 00:24:06,480 doing. I mean, and that's one way of viewing it. But ah, now 422 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,640 I've been rear ended by by illegals in Austin. With my 423 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,850 truck that is I am around they speak English. They really do. 424 00:24:21,870 --> 00:24:22,350 Anyway, 425 00:24:23,219 --> 00:24:25,289 John C. Dvorak: so looking at some of the tweets from the 426 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:27,899 Democrats is funny how the Democrats really come out and 427 00:24:27,899 --> 00:24:32,609 they really take you to be a little show business Democrats, 428 00:24:32,609 --> 00:24:35,969 I'm talking about the Hollywood elites. And they come on they're 429 00:24:35,969 --> 00:24:38,879 just you know, just pretty blunt. Seth McFarland 430 00:24:39,749 --> 00:24:44,429 candidates, please stop yelling. We are all on the same side. 431 00:24:44,969 --> 00:24:46,979 Adam Curry: What's the point of a debate then? 432 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:51,780 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's what exactly what's the point? 433 00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:58,710 Me a pharaoh. All the topic being discussed by these 434 00:24:58,710 --> 00:25:04,620 candidates are are important. I feel proud to be a Democrat. It 435 00:25:04,620 --> 00:25:05,430 will flag 436 00:25:08,639 --> 00:25:11,579 Adam Curry: the banker was saying he said, The interesting 437 00:25:12,809 --> 00:25:16,229 take on he says it. This is why He said there's no reason to 438 00:25:16,229 --> 00:25:18,989 watch it. He said what Trump had and what Trump did as he took 439 00:25:18,989 --> 00:25:22,019 the two issues that no Republican would take on at the 440 00:25:22,019 --> 00:25:26,099 time, believe it or not, it was immigration, and China. And he 441 00:25:26,099 --> 00:25:29,399 just because he had those two things, which everyone knows is 442 00:25:29,399 --> 00:25:34,319 common sense. Everybody, all sides, all Americans. And he 443 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,259 just yelled those over and over again and forced everybody into 444 00:25:37,259 --> 00:25:40,139 it. You'll recall the immigration debate was forced by 445 00:25:40,139 --> 00:25:41,549 Trump. And that's 446 00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:43,560 John C. Dvorak: all Trump takes credit for it his team, it 447 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,730 reminds us of that right? Before me, no one's even talking about 448 00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:49,140 this. And now everybody's talking. 449 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:53,999 Adam Curry: That's how you that's how these days a 450 00:25:53,999 --> 00:25:56,969 political debate. That's how you get the point is you've got to 451 00:25:56,969 --> 00:25:59,669 choose something that no one else really wants to talk about, 452 00:25:59,669 --> 00:26:01,919 and then yell loudly over everybody else. That's what 453 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:09,209 Trump did. He took two main main issues. And then he was he was 454 00:26:09,209 --> 00:26:11,549 the winner from day one on that and just kept hammering and 455 00:26:11,549 --> 00:26:13,709 hammering and hammering and everyone sees the logic of it, 456 00:26:13,709 --> 00:26:17,459 but everyone's afraid, was afraid. Well, there's 457 00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:19,200 John C. Dvorak: also a number of people who said I don't 458 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,750 understand why they didn't go after Trump more even though 459 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:26,040 they did a little bit. Jay Inslee, I said he said something 460 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,220 that negative jay Inslee, by the way, was the guy standing next 461 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:33,390 to the right of Tulsi. Yeah, he's the governor from 462 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:38,370 Washington State who's has a one issue thing drum lb which is 463 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,220 climate change. And he he had a shit eating grin on his face 464 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,450 from the get go and he just kept it plastered on there. So when 465 00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:52,110 you saw the camera angle with with Tulsi yakking about 466 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:56,070 something or even anyone down the row, and you saw they kind 467 00:26:56,070 --> 00:27:00,840 of nicked his face at that half profile, but just a front and 468 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,660 you could see this dumb smile he had on his face. I thought it 469 00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,690 was like So I've mentioned this to me. So no, that's that he 470 00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:07,410 always has a dumb 471 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:10,770 Adam Curry: resting bitchface 472 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,610 John C. Dvorak: is stupid. Anyway. Well, I found the whole 473 00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:18,270 thing to be tedious. No doubt. It was a little tedious. 474 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,430 Luckily, it was only two hours. I think tonight's will be a 475 00:27:20,430 --> 00:27:21,000 little better. Who 476 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,150 Adam Curry: has the debate tonight? Is that CNN? Is it CNN 477 00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:27,120 that that is airing tonight, or is it MSNBC? You 478 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,650 John C. Dvorak: gotta think it's got to ask. It has to be the 479 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:29,340 same people. 480 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:34,980 Adam Curry: So tonight we have Biden, we have Bernie and we 481 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:38,160 have is Buddha judge on this one tonight or is he not? Is he not? 482 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:42,210 No, he's on the mayor Pete is in trouble, man. I mean, I don't 483 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:46,470 know if you follow this shooting in his town. And his Hamlet 484 00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:50,460 where he is he is Mayor. So it's only only about 100,000 people 485 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:54,210 in the town. And I actually have a little report about it. But 486 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,110 the main thing is every single time they have video and audio 487 00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:01,980 or anything from Mayor Pete in the situation. He has his head 488 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:05,610 bowed down. He can't really talk. He's almost like he's been 489 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,230 like he's been gut punched. And I will if you listen to this 490 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:14,460 clip, I have my reasoning as to why he feels so downtrodden. We 491 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:14,580 have 492 00:28:14,580 --> 00:28:17,880 Unknown: tried but not succeeded to increase diversity in the 493 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,190 police department. And we need help. 494 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,730 At home in South Bend, Indiana Buda judge was confronted by 495 00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:27,450 accusations of bias in his city's police force. 496 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:30,420 Racism is starting up police departments How are we supposed 497 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:35,160 to? I am raising a seven year old grandson that when he sees 498 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,480 the police he is afraid that is not what's supposed to happen. 499 00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:40,680 Racial tensions 500 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,000 flared last week after a white South Bend Police officers shot 501 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,530 and killed a black man who was allegedly holding a knife. The 502 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:53,700 officer was wearing a body camera but it was not turned on. 503 00:28:54,090 --> 00:28:59,430 If anyone who was on patrol is shown to be a racist, or to do 504 00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:08,940 something racist. In a way that is substantiated. That is their 505 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:10,110 last day on the street. 506 00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:11,940 Adam Curry: Wrong answer Mayor Pete 507 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:16,140 John C. Dvorak: Buddha judge dropped off the campaign trail 508 00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:18,030 after the shooting last week. 509 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:23,280 Unknown: I just think it's my job. I don't know if it's smart 510 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,360 or not. I don't know if it's strategic or not. 511 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,940 Adam Curry: But yeah, he's actually upset that he's out of 512 00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:35,730 the race. That's really what he's upset about. I'm just going 513 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:38,760 to call it he doesn't give a crap. I don't think he's he 514 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,740 seems like a very ineffective leader. 515 00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:43,920 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well he I'm gonna I'm gonna call you can 516 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,820 call that like you're right. But he never was in the race to any 517 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:51,840 extent statics that does novelty novelty act Yes. 518 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,350 Adam Curry: One of the one of the spook novelties, spook 519 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:58,860 John C. Dvorak: novelty, he's not in the race for president 520 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:02,130 anyway, he wants to move up to the statehouse or this 521 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:06,450 government governor or a senator just like Tulsi, there are these 522 00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:09,240 people. And I don't know how many of them are running that 523 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,180 are on this. But who I'd put in this category, those two for 524 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:15,810 sure. They're just running to raise their public profile, get 525 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:19,830 some free airtime and then run for Senate or something else. 526 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:22,950 Adam Curry: It does have all the candidates. Is there a single 527 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:24,150 black American? 528 00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:26,940 John C. Dvorak: I think Booker is 529 00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:33,810 Adam Curry: he's Brown, but is he? Is he a DOS? Or is he is a 530 00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:36,510 Dodge? I'm not so sure. I'll have to look into it. 531 00:30:36,540 --> 00:30:37,890 John C. Dvorak: I'd be surprised if he wasn't. 532 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,970 Adam Curry: Well, tonight should be just as dumb. Honestly, 533 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,920 John C. Dvorak: no, tonight, it'll be better. It'll be great. 534 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,110 I think tonight will be great because they got you're gonna 535 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:50,400 have to deal with Bernie. 536 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:55,440 Adam Curry: Sorry, Bernie, I wanted to play a little jingle 537 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,420 about Bernie an old, an old 538 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:10,290 John C. Dvorak: socialist Jews. That's right, everybody. 539 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:20,910 Adam Curry: Bernie's got a big black problem. Oh, yes, he does. 540 00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:23,910 He's got a huge black problem. I have a clip. 541 00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:25,890 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. That's why he'll never that's why he can't 542 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:30,300 can't win. Now. I got another bunch of panelists that came up 543 00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,030 on NBC that talked about the debates and I kind of 544 00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:36,180 concentrated on NBC because they gave the debates, they had 545 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:40,530 people backstage, they had the whole thing going on. And there 546 00:31:40,530 --> 00:31:43,680 was they've got three clips. One of them is the most important 547 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,620 one, I think was because they read they introduced or one of 548 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:50,790 the panelists introduced this term, which was actually brought 549 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:54,210 up by I can't remember which of the guys up there. 550 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:58,200 Adam Curry: Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. But 551 00:31:58,889 --> 00:32:02,249 John C. Dvorak: the term is repressed justice. It was 552 00:32:02,249 --> 00:32:05,669 beautiful. And I were doing it was one of the panelists that 553 00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:09,569 threw it out there. I was AMI or Santa who was the dude, it was a 554 00:32:09,569 --> 00:32:14,159 dude. And then it was it was de Blasio. Yeah, troll room? I 555 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:17,129 know. Yeah, I think it was de Blasio, whatever was just a 556 00:32:17,129 --> 00:32:18,689 little discussion of it. 557 00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:23,460 Adam Curry: The posts, the post show discussion, yeah, post 558 00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:23,730 show. 559 00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:26,430 Unknown: It is also related to making sure that you can raise 560 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:29,100 your family in a safe community, that you have access to health 561 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:32,460 care throughout that child's life and your own life, and that 562 00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:35,730 they can rise up the socio economic ladder. So it's a more 563 00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:39,210 holistic approach. And that was a radical moment to say 564 00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:43,410 reproductive justice. Yes. And I think I mean, Hillary Clinton 565 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:46,890 did talk about reproductive justice in the 2016 campaign for 566 00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:49,710 his speech to Planned Parenthood, but I cannot recall 567 00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:52,350 her saying those words in a debate, and that's a big moment. 568 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:53,850 So what did you think, Jackie? 569 00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:57,300 I mean, did you feel like the issue the women's rights and the 570 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:59,490 issue around abortion was adequately addressed by the 571 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:03,180 candidate? Yeah, I do. And I really did appreciate Amy 572 00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:11,370 Klobuchar Zinger, but yeah, you all. There, man, but perhaps a 573 00:33:11,370 --> 00:33:15,960 little bit, so he did make a pretty bold when he was really 574 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960 accurate and claim that yeah, he was the only person to predict 575 00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:21,990 abortion rights and which, you know, meanwhile, there are there 576 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:24,990 were three female candidates on the stage who have also pretty 577 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:28,290 much dedicated women the same length for legislation. Yeah. 578 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960 But what I'm actually really curious is to see Joe Biden 579 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,730 answer that question tomorrow. And I was actually pretty 580 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:34,530 surprised that Biden's name didn't come up during that 581 00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:37,350 conversation, because he is the one candidate who has been a bit 582 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:40,260 behind the curve, especially in the conversation of reproductive 583 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:44,250 justice, because he hasn't seemed to understand that a lot 584 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,290 of the issues around reproductive justice 585 00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:50,040 disproportionately affects women of color or US panel, the Hyde 586 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440 Amendment. Exactly. And you know, there was that reporting 587 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,250 that his top female advisors had to educate him on why it was 588 00:33:56,250 --> 00:33:59,610 important for him to change his mind and flip flop on the Hyde 589 00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:02,010 Amendment because it disproportionately affect 590 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:03,330 communities of color. And 591 00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:06,000 Adam Curry: I'm so happy to hear these white women talking about 592 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,420 reproductive justice as I read from the Wikipedia on the 593 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:14,610 subject, reproductive justice is the human rights to maintain 594 00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:20,340 personal bodily autonomy, have children not have children and 595 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:23,760 parent the children we have in safe and sustainable 596 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,480 communities. And this is according to sister song women 597 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,870 of color, reproductive justice collective, the first 598 00:34:30,870 --> 00:34:34,590 organization founded to build a reproductive justice movement. 599 00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:44,430 And let's see, yeah, this is a all done by black women. They've 600 00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:48,570 set this up and they doesn't sound exactly the way they are 601 00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:50,670 talking about it. The white women I hear here. 602 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:54,990 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's kind of morphed because you know, we 603 00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:57,270 we've talked about this on the show, and people should realize 604 00:34:57,270 --> 00:35:03,600 that we see the difference. it and it's not my it was somebody 605 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,480 else who brought this up years ago and it shows they did you 606 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,140 realize this is what it's all about. The Democrats are four, I 607 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:14,460 have two themes justice. So the drop the word justice on 608 00:35:14,460 --> 00:35:18,330 anything, it's great justice and equality and the Republicans are 609 00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:21,690 freedom and liberty. And so you'll see in their literature, 610 00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:24,420 either side, you'll find a lot of references to freedom and 611 00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:28,020 liberty on the Republican side or the conservative side. And 612 00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:31,560 you'll see a lot of references to justice and equality to the 613 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,340 point, which is a problem for the Democrats, because equality 614 00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:39,930 leads to egalitarianism, which leads to situations like they 615 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,440 have in Sweden, where people don't understand that not 616 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,110 everybody's in the egalitarian and you bring in a bunch of 617 00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:48,660 outsiders who don't believe in this sort of thing. And you have 618 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:52,290 all kinds of issues. And egalitarianism is a serious 619 00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:57,330 problem, generally speaking, justice is what it is. Freedom 620 00:35:57,330 --> 00:36:00,750 and Liberty is kind of both kind of variations of the same theme. 621 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,110 Well, 622 00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:03,210 Adam Curry: as you just heard that term the way it was used 623 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:05,880 reproductive justice, could you sum it up in one sentence what 624 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,310 that is, I mean, I have it here. So I'm curious what you think 625 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:10,860 just having heard that. What do you think that means? 626 00:36:10,890 --> 00:36:13,140 Reproductive justice, what is that definition? 627 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:16,950 John C. Dvorak: I think it means freedom to do raise kids the way 628 00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:17,580 you want. 629 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,770 Adam Curry: Reproductive Justice focuses on abortion access, 630 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,430 rather than abortion rights, asserting that the legal right 631 00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:29,760 to abortion is meaningless for women who cannot access it due 632 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,380 to cost distance, or other obstacles. So no one's using it. 633 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,210 Right. They're just throwing throwing it around. 634 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,980 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, whether you're right, if that's the 635 00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:42,570 case, because if it's just an abortion issue, there again, 636 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:45,090 though, the Democrats do this. They take the word justice, and 637 00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:47,760 they drop it here and they drop it there. And then when they do 638 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,000 I was, oh, they all get worked up about it. And this is another 639 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,610 example of that. But it's going to be in the in the in play. 640 00:36:56,610 --> 00:37:00,600 It's in now in play. Yes. And I believe it will become in play 641 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,340 during the presidential. The Republicans and one of the 642 00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:07,680 reasons I think we like to do this show and have a lot of we 643 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,770 have a lot of Republican listeners or conservatives is 644 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:14,910 that they won't get caught off guard. I think a lot of 645 00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,490 Republicans and conservatives will get caught off guard when 646 00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:17,670 the 647 00:37:18,029 --> 00:37:21,569 Adam Curry: it's a strong term is a great word productive. Just 648 00:37:21,569 --> 00:37:24,599 just just put justice up. Yeah. It's just to put the word 649 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:29,939 justice anywhere. Podcast, Justice people. That's what we 650 00:37:29,939 --> 00:37:30,329 need. 651 00:37:30,750 --> 00:37:32,040 John C. Dvorak: Podcast justice. 652 00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:34,229 Adam Curry: And then when and when you hear that, you're like 653 00:37:34,229 --> 00:37:37,709 shit, I can't refute that. podcasters need justice know 654 00:37:37,709 --> 00:37:41,099 what it means. Who cares? Who cares? podcasters need justice. 655 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,920 John C. Dvorak: Here's another thing a little bit more about, I 656 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,490 think that was the reproductive justice clip, once you play the 657 00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:52,500 Joe Biden apologizing clip, 658 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,290 these are my personal beliefs. But I recognize what the rest of 659 00:37:55,290 --> 00:37:58,500 the content was out of me. And I like to try to meet the country 660 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:01,260 where they are. And I think Joe Biden needs to sort of 661 00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:04,830 articulate that tomorrow. How do you do that stylistically, so 662 00:38:04,830 --> 00:38:07,860 that you still convey authenticity. This is why 663 00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:08,370 I'm not a press. 664 00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:12,120 I think it's difficult, right? For Joe Biden, you can say, 665 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,670 Look, I'm a cat. Yeah, this is what I believe there are many 666 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:17,760 real at 70 plus percent of Americans consider themselves as 667 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,090 Christians. So he's not alone. A lot of people have that belief. 668 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,430 However, I do understand the importance of women's 669 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:26,460 reproductive rights. And I want to make sure that I'm on the 670 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,810 side of women's Simple, 671 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:32,219 Unknown: right, but there is no, because when you apologize, one, 672 00:38:32,249 --> 00:38:35,159 then when does your Biden start apologizing for everything? And 673 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,079 Anita Hill? Justice, Phil, I 674 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,730 would argue the things your list, he does need to. But I do 675 00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:43,620 think that that's the trick. When you have a long record, 676 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:45,960 it's like when you have this decades long record, you're 677 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,690 gonna have a lot to explain. And I think that, you know, the 678 00:38:48,690 --> 00:38:51,090 crime bill is another thing that's going to come up, it came 679 00:38:51,090 --> 00:38:53,580 up for Hillary Clinton even though she wasn't in office. But 680 00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:55,770 Joe Biden wrote that crime bill, and now there's a lot of black 681 00:38:55,770 --> 00:38:58,050 people in prison as a result. And so he's going to have to 682 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:02,460 speak to that constituency. And explain, you know, I didn't see 683 00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:05,130 these these circumstances. I didn't foresee it by evolution, 684 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:05,520 you know, 685 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:09,480 Adam Curry: yeah, that's not gonna work. No one's gonna fall 686 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,300 for that. I didn't know how it was. I didn't know that what the 687 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,040 policy would do. Oh, no, I'm sorry. 688 00:39:14,759 --> 00:39:17,219 John C. Dvorak: I think that he's got the same black problem 689 00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:21,989 that Bernie has. Well, why well, this is bringing in Kamala 690 00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:26,909 Harris. Bye bye. This is an irony Kamla Harris is not 691 00:39:26,909 --> 00:39:32,459 respected by blacks, generally speaking, a dice black so and 692 00:39:32,489 --> 00:39:36,209 But Bernie doesn't I'm not Bernie. Actually, Bernie and 693 00:39:36,209 --> 00:39:38,999 Biden. Neither one of them know this. They don't get to have a 694 00:39:38,999 --> 00:39:42,149 clue. I mean, well, let's be real. 695 00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:46,500 Adam Curry: Allow me to play a clip about Bernie from Antonio, 696 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:47,820 more from a DOS. 697 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,100 John C. Dvorak: One of y'all. This is Antonio, more coming to 698 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,770 you from tone talks coming to you briefly with a quick hit, 699 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,830 because I got no notification that Bernie Sanders is talking 700 00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:58,680 about forgiving all the student debt. While on one hand, you can 701 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,480 see that it's totally commendable. If you don't give 702 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,660 it context, you don't understand that this is the same man that 703 00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:07,140 has talked about not giving cash payment for reparations, that's 704 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:09,570 talked about the cost of reparations, I understand that 705 00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:12,510 student debt is forgiven a one and a half trillion dollars in 706 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:15,630 debt, and primarily will go to white folks, because of the 707 00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:17,460 amount of them they go to college versus us. 708 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,670 Fundamentally, my belief is that even as somebody who has six 709 00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:23,130 figures in student debt, that you don't forgive that debt 710 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:25,740 until you until you make your debts whole. And regarding 711 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:29,130 reparations, don't give black families reparations to white 712 00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:31,350 middle class and white upper class families that took on 713 00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:34,350 student debt. It just doesn't work that way I say to you 714 00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:37,620 today, what I believe should happen is that Bernie Sanders 715 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,740 should come out and support a reparations first, that Bernie 716 00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:43,980 Sanders should commit to a $10 trillion reparations plan to be 717 00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:47,910 paid over 10 years, trillion a year only to aid also American 718 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:50,820 descendants of slavery to make these families Hall and to 719 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:53,820 guarantee an apology for slavery if he does become president. 720 00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:56,760 After that, you can do a one and a half trillion dollar student 721 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,710 loan forgiveness plan, which I'll be in full support of. So, 722 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:05,880 Adam Curry: you know, he, Elizabeth Warren Kamala Harris, 723 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,420 and does Biden support the canceling of student debt yet? 724 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:11,850 Is he? Is he on the debt train? Or is he done? 725 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:14,700 John C. Dvorak: No, he has not actually. And I could be wrong. 726 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:18,000 But as far as I know, he's not and I don't think he will. 727 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:22,080 Adam Curry: And by the way, this is the one of the main figures 728 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,320 of the American descendants of slavery, he, what he's doing is 729 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,880 YouTube from his car. And I said, this sent a message out 730 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,210 said, you know, you really should get on a stage, this is 731 00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:36,060 not just not going to get attention doing YouTube's from 732 00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:39,420 your car. That is not how you get a movement from their car. 733 00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:44,700 It's not how you get a movement going. So doesn't matter. They 734 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,820 don't need you got everybody else. And you know, the student 735 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:53,310 debt cancellation is beautiful air all the kids love it. Oh, 736 00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:55,740 the kids, except for the kids who chose not to go to college, 737 00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:57,330 who were saying, Whoa, 738 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:01,080 John C. Dvorak: where are the kids who paid off their student 739 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,770 debts? You're not going to be too pleased with this as the 740 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:08,850 problem with this kind of, you know, Jubilee, or any kind of 741 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,110 dead holiday. It's like, wait a minute, so I should have just 742 00:42:13,110 --> 00:42:16,440 been, you know, a slouch and never paid anything, and I'd be 743 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,750 home free. That's what you're saying. You're encouraging that. 744 00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:20,970 That's why it doesn't work. 745 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,130 Adam Curry: Well, here. Here's what was interesting. Last 746 00:42:23,130 --> 00:42:27,450 night, my dinner with a former New York banker. He schooled me 747 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:31,020 on MMT which I know you've been looking into which is this 748 00:42:31,020 --> 00:42:36,570 modern monetary theory. Yeah. And the idea is, you can print a 749 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:40,470 hell of a lot more money as than we're doing right now. Because 750 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:44,190 it doesn't matter. And he made a very compelling argument, which 751 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:48,330 I can't really he compared it to Japan, really. He says, Look, 752 00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:52,290 what do you call it a liquidity trap? He says it turns out and 753 00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:55,380 he knows I mean, he was in the sovereign wealth sector. So he 754 00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:57,720 knows he knows a lot about global economics. He said, We 755 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:02,610 can print trillions more, it does not matter. And no matter 756 00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:06,450 how I parade it, he had an answer. And I know you've looked 757 00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:14,820 into it, and it seems that, unlike what everyone from the 758 00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:18,540 Austrian School of Economics thinks that it does indeed work 759 00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,410 and that we can we could fund the debt cancellation, we could 760 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,280 put in another 30 trillion into green New Deal. We could do some 761 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,710 reparations, we could do anything we want, because it 762 00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:30,990 does not matter. Your take Jhansi Dvorak? 763 00:43:32,130 --> 00:43:35,250 John C. Dvorak: Well, I think people are looking at this our 764 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:38,940 modern monetary theory, they're looking at it from the wrong 765 00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:42,780 perspective. First of all, it's not about how much money's in 766 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:45,210 circulation or anything like that. It's about income 767 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:50,220 inequality. And if you listen to the people that promote this 768 00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:52,620 idea, and you can just draw it and he's right, it doesn't 769 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:54,960 matter. I don't think it does either. Because then it's not 770 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,490 going to matter when it comes to when it comes to the fact that 771 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,320 there's an income in fact, it may worsen income inequality, 772 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,020 based on the economic cycle. And based on what the this woman, I 773 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:12,480 think her name is Slotkin or something like that. And she is 774 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,200 the economic policy person for Bernie and she's one of the big 775 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,980 promoters of MMT. And she made this comment once and that's 776 00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:23,730 what stuck with me. And when she said it, I said, Wait a minute, 777 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,840 Oh, I thought it was just a dog whistle comment, but it to use 778 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,880 that term. But then I realized it's not. She said, income 779 00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:36,600 inequality was lessening, it was getting better. It was getting 780 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,380 better and better and better until 1980. That's the dog 781 00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:42,990 whistle. 1980 is a codeword for Reagan. 782 00:44:43,770 --> 00:44:45,450 Adam Curry: Trickle down trickle down. 783 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,200 John C. Dvorak: Reagan And the Republicans got in and then then 784 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,260 the income inequality got worse and worse. And then you if you 785 00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:55,350 look at the cycles, apparently it was worsening just before the 786 00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:59,310 depression, which is the giveaway in 1929 income 787 00:44:59,340 --> 00:45:03,300 inequality Your night 28 It was horrible. And then the 788 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:08,190 Depression came 1980 is the end of another depression that took 789 00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:12,480 place in the 70s. In other words, these folks their whole 790 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,480 orientation, I have a presentation, I could write up 791 00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:20,700 their whole orientations. Yes, put us into an economic Tailspin 792 00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:25,710 sink the economy, so everybody's broke, then you have no income 793 00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:30,870 inequality, it's all evened out. And I'm reminded of the one of 794 00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:33,510 the Koch brothers, I think it was David, it had a special on 795 00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:36,510 him on one of these networks. And he said, We were almost a 796 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:41,160 bankrupt company in the 1970s. Everybody in the 1970s was going 797 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,520 broke, there was no wealth, whatsoever, I went through it. 798 00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:48,990 And it was that's when income inequality, you know, starts to 799 00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:53,790 shrink. Course it does, because everybody's broke. And then 1980 800 00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:56,430 comes along, and it says, prosperity starts to grow and 801 00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:00,450 grow and grow, income inequality starts to grow and grow. And 802 00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:03,900 that's just going to always be the case. So unless you want to 803 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:08,070 put us in a perpetual depression, where every buddy's 804 00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:08,880 broke, 805 00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:12,930 Adam Curry: right, but it's the Democrats who are who are saying 806 00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:17,010 this, so you'd expect them the more socialist individuals of 807 00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:20,190 our society to want everyone to be depressed and broke. And 808 00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:23,670 maybe they want that, but they do. But but they want us all to 809 00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:26,220 be broke. But what they're saying is the opposite will have 810 00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:27,360 the opposite effect. 811 00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:29,070 John C. Dvorak: Well, they're wrong. 812 00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:34,260 Adam Curry: It didn't matter what I said he had an answer. 813 00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:37,080 That's kind of his MO, sometimes, anyway, you met him. 814 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:45,180 But the one thing we did agree on, was, how awful the removal 815 00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:50,430 of the ordinance rules in Austin is that now people can pitch 816 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:54,240 tents on the sidewalk. But here's, here's what he added to 817 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,540 it. He said, although it's horrible, and and it turns out 818 00:46:57,540 --> 00:47:01,380 that our Governor Abbott, he tweeted out that he was going to 819 00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:03,840 oh, he was going to make some laws to stop this. He said, we 820 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,840 can't have this, if any, if any Texas City thinks they can do 821 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,770 that. We're going to write legislation to stop it. The 822 00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:15,600 banker said, Actually, having homeless living on the street or 823 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:21,510 the unhoused is a sign of great wealth of great wealth of the 824 00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:25,740 society. Because we are so wealthy but let's just say 825 00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:28,890 California but we'll add awesome to the mix. So prosperous, 826 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,070 prosperous, that we don't care if people are pooping on the 827 00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:36,210 streets. Go ahead, poop what you want. Everything's great. 828 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:41,310 John C. Dvorak: So we're so his theory is that that that is a 829 00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:45,780 sign of great prosperity, prosperity and decadence. Yes, 830 00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:49,290 exactly. Which is exact so decadent yet you don't give a 831 00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:53,130 crap. Yeah, people are pooping. Hey, well, okay, let's get into 832 00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:57,570 limo Louise. I think we're this poor homeless trap. This 833 00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:01,710 pathetic soul poops in front of us. Oh, 834 00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:06,240 Adam Curry: I think it is the term that what is the term? 835 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,360 We're so wealthy. We don't give a shit. I think I think that's 836 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,570 what it comes down to. You can do one on the street. And he has 837 00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:16,290 a point. 838 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,080 John C. Dvorak: Look at California actually hit one 839 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,470 there. 840 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,840 Adam Curry: I thought it was out of the park as I stopped the 841 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,150 conversation. I gotta write this down. I can't believe you just 842 00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:27,780 said that. And even though we don't like it, it truly shows 843 00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:35,400 you in a elitist, very wealthy society. It may be equitable to 844 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,330 the Romans or maybe the Wi Fi Republic had a lot of the stuff 845 00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:40,860 going on before we well let's 846 00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:44,940 John C. Dvorak: let's crazy it some solid examples. In San 847 00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:48,270 Francisco, the poop map and all the rest of it began after 848 00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:52,860 Twitter, Jack Dorsey. And the folks on new theirs. They had a 849 00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:57,450 bunch of porta potties near not in front, not on the street, but 850 00:48:57,450 --> 00:49:01,200 near the Twitter headquarters in San Francisco. And it was and it 851 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,250 was this, oh, we can't have these porta potties it just it 852 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:09,030 makes a bunch of homeless around them and they get in line and 853 00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:12,030 have to poop there. I'd rather I'd rather not see the porta 854 00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:15,180 potties that are just a little bit too much for me. So just get 855 00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:19,410 rid of those, get rid of those ugly things and let the homeless 856 00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:20,580 go somewhere else. 857 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,840 Adam Curry: Well, the sad part of it all, is the only solutions 858 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,560 that they'll throw out there cavalierly is we need affordable 859 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,640 housing, which is just more money for them. I own that 860 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,610 pieces. Put some affordable housing on that. Yeah, this is a 861 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:38,760 good idea. And it jacks up the rents everywhere moves people 862 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,290 out gentrifying Yeah, I can't I cannot get a wage in right. 863 00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:45,600 John C. Dvorak: I'm loving this idea of the argument that's just 864 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:53,220 rich, decadent elites don't care if anybody's dying and Louise 865 00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:57,810 was that a dead man you stepped over? Dead. 866 00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:59,940 Adam Curry: Oh my Is he breathing? 867 00:50:00,630 --> 00:50:03,120 John C. Dvorak: Well, you you kick in for me, Bruce and find 868 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,410 out. Oh, 869 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,720 Adam Curry: it kind of blew my mind with that. 870 00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:13,470 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. I mean, I'm all in on that one. What's 871 00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:16,440 going on? Because that's what we're seeing. Yeah. At 872 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,800 Lamborghini dealer and then as a guy pooping I mean, come on, 873 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,180 Adam Curry: and the wealth is gone to our heads. It's gone to 874 00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:28,080 our heads. Because the people who aren't super rich and don't 875 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,000 mind this now feel kind of powerless. Yeah, I'm doing okay, 876 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,640 let me just not rock the boat here. I'm just gonna I'll just 877 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,250 step over it. Yeah, I'm fortunate. I've got privilege. 878 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,580 And by the way, most people pooping on the streets of Austin 879 00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:50,790 are white. Just so you know. How about just during the debates, 880 00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:53,040 was there any green New Deal crap because I got a couple of 881 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,470 clips from from Europe that I want to share with you. 882 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,370 John C. Dvorak: And I didn't pick anything up particularly. I 883 00:50:59,370 --> 00:51:02,970 mean, they didn't really get into it. There were mostly I 884 00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:08,310 don't know it. I think there'll be something tonight. But they 885 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:10,290 didn't get into it too much. I mean, the guy who would have 886 00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:12,420 gotten into was Inslee, because he's pretty much 887 00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:14,820 Adam Curry: Oh, shoot. I just had an idea. I'm sorry. I just 888 00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:18,030 want to go back to the homelessness thing. Let's just 889 00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:22,560 take it for true that this is the incredible wealth and what 890 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,530 were the words some of the terms we used the acronym in decades 891 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,470 decadence now that pooping on the streets? Yeah. decadence. 892 00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:31,530 This you know what this calls for this calls for a reality 893 00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:35,880 show. You know, lifting someone from the street, you know, this 894 00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:42,210 disc people will love that. I mean, it's like your town could 895 00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:43,380 be next week story. 896 00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:46,800 John C. Dvorak: What? Yeah, Pygmalion, uh, you know, My Fair 897 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,810 Lady, you get somebody's just 898 00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:51,750 Adam Curry: trading places, trading places. Trading Places. 899 00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:54,690 That's it. That's it. All right. So so yeah, so there wasn't a 900 00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:57,240 lot of green New Deal is what I'm what I'm hearing. I didn't I 901 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,900 didn't see any actually in my scan. Couple of climate changes, 902 00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,510 maybe but nothing substantial. But 903 00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:07,830 John C. Dvorak: it was It wasn't, you know? Well, it 904 00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:11,370 didn't get. I mean, they're still they're still this is what 905 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:14,790 gets me. There's a large group of Democrats that are bitching 906 00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:17,610 and moaning about the fact and they didn't want to bring it up, 907 00:52:17,610 --> 00:52:20,280 I think because they're worried about getting tossed. Because 908 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,130 they're not supposed to discuss climate change as it as a 909 00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:26,070 debate. They want to debate climate change. Now, of course, 910 00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:28,380 there's a bunch of Democrats that want to actually have one 911 00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:31,440 of the debates just be about climate change. And I'm thinking 912 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,690 to myself, who what, what would that be like? Everybody in the 913 00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:40,920 Democrat Party is in on the on the whole idea that we're going 914 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,250 to all die in 12 years. And so there wouldn't be much of a 915 00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:46,980 debate. They just be a lot of agreement. Now head nodding. 916 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:47,730 Exactly. 917 00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:52,020 Adam Curry: Well, over in the UK, there's, there's a big push. 918 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,780 Once again, this is all on the backdrop of the G 20, which 919 00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:57,960 we'll talk about which is taking place this weekend. But Sky News 920 00:52:58,230 --> 00:53:01,410 really stuck out to the British people with this little expo's 921 00:53:01,410 --> 00:53:07,080 a, and a new term, or a term that is being rejuvenated, was 922 00:53:07,110 --> 00:53:08,580 introduced to the lexicon. 923 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,710 Unknown: In the 18th century, the Industrial Revolution 924 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:14,880 kickstarted economic growth, and modern capitalism, but only at 925 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,470 the cost of pumping out millions of tons of carbon into the 926 00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:24,480 atmosphere as the years ticked on by from iron and steel 927 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,970 production, to coal and steam power plants and factories. And 928 00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:33,540 for centuries, Britain was the only name in the game, the 929 00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:36,960 world's economic engine, the world's richest economy, and by 930 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:42,210 far, the world's biggest polluter, but just look at what 931 00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:46,080 happens at the start of the 20th century, America finally begins 932 00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:51,690 to overtake us. But these ever increasing bars tell another 933 00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:56,880 story, the richer we've got, the more we've polluted. And it all 934 00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,140 comes back to the fact that we never put a price on waste until 935 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:04,080 now. Because with scientists predicting a climate 936 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,100 catastrophe, and with China pumping, ever more pollution 937 00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:11,850 into the atmosphere, the greatest challenge of the next 938 00:54:11,850 --> 00:54:17,850 century is going to be managing this carbon debt. The debt that 939 00:54:17,850 --> 00:54:18,780 Britain started 940 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,760 Adam Curry: alright Britain, it's your fault, first of all, 941 00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:31,560 so we're looking at you. Second climate debt. I like this. This 942 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,800 could be now this is a financial instrument. Now they finally 943 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,820 done it. You could be born and the government could place a 944 00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:44,040 climate debt on your head. And you would have to work that off 945 00:54:44,070 --> 00:54:49,230 during your life. You would have to do things to remove your 946 00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:53,640 climate debt. I haven't have you heard this term? 947 00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:58,410 John C. Dvorak: I think I might have heard it, along with 948 00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:04,800 climate justice using That term again as as kind of a they're 949 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,190 fishing loosely they're fishing they got to these terms and 950 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:12,330 they're throwing them out there see what happens? Yeah me habit 951 00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:14,460 a bit would would have been a while back. 952 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,450 Adam Curry: So they're shaming the British people into into 953 00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:23,490 this climate debt corner. And with that comes an open letter 954 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:29,700 from us an open letter from investors with $34 trillion 955 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,360 worth of assets just ready to invest. 956 00:55:33,390 --> 00:55:36,570 Unknown: Europe is braced for a record breaking heatwave 957 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,410 temperatures forecast to hit 40 degrees Celsius across much of 958 00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:44,760 the continent. For many it's yet another sign of global warming. 959 00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:48,270 Now some of the world's top investors are joining calls for 960 00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:52,650 action. money managers responsible for $34 trillion in 961 00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:55,950 assets have signed a joint letter demanding change. 962 00:55:56,010 --> 00:55:59,370 Together they account for nearly half the world's invested 963 00:55:59,370 --> 00:56:02,940 capital. signatories include Legal and General investment 964 00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:06,660 management, and CalPERS California's public employees 965 00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:10,680 retirement fund, but the world's two biggest asset managers are 966 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,400 missing from the list BlackRock and Vanguard wouldn't give 967 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,940 specific reasons for not signing. Now the letter comes 968 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:22,290 days before a G 20. Summit in Japan, the investors call on 969 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:26,190 governments to work with them on action against climate change. 970 00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:29,490 They support the Paris Agreement on global warming struck in 971 00:56:29,490 --> 00:56:33,900 2015. It calls on governments to keep average temperature rises 972 00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,740 to less than two degrees above pre industrial levels, yet the 973 00:56:37,740 --> 00:56:41,190 world is on track for an average increase of at least three 974 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:45,240 degrees by the end of the century. In Europe right now. It 975 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,580 feels a whole lot hotter than that. 976 00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:51,540 Adam Curry: So the way I read this open letter is these are 977 00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:56,850 government. Quasi government investors. It's not BlackRock 978 00:56:56,850 --> 00:56:59,040 and Vanguard is not the commercial guys. They're not 979 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,110 stupid. I'm not putting my money in that. But the California 980 00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:07,260 government employees is pension fund. What was it? 981 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:11,250 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, PERS. CalPERS. Yeah, that's, that's, 982 00:57:11,940 --> 00:57:13,950 Adam Curry: that's, um, that's like government almost, isn't 983 00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:14,160 it? 984 00:57:15,630 --> 00:57:18,600 John C. Dvorak: No, it's a big giant. And if you work for the 985 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,050 state or regional governments, a lot of cities I think even the 986 00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:25,410 the money goes into CalPERS as a, it's like a selective 987 00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:26,790 Retirement System. Right. 988 00:57:26,790 --> 00:57:28,710 Adam Curry: But they so they want to put your retirement 989 00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:33,600 money at risk in this cockamamie climate to change 990 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,020 John C. Dvorak: in California, and they're suckers. They're 991 00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:42,060 dumb. And then let me make a point that I want to just, I 992 00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:49,560 don't like I don't like the Bill Gates. thing where you make a 993 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,980 bunch of rich guys pledge Haftar. Well, the Warren Buffett 994 00:57:52,980 --> 00:57:56,190 pledge, the Warren Buffett pledge This is the you know, I 995 00:57:56,190 --> 00:58:00,840 don't like I never liked it. I really disliked Grover Norquist. 996 00:58:01,110 --> 00:58:04,410 And he had this piece of paper he made Republicans conservative 997 00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:08,190 side during I think it was some during Bush's administration. 998 00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:12,120 And it was a tax pleasure. You never raise taxes. And you knew 999 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,380 right this you sign this pledge. I don't like people signing 1000 00:58:16,380 --> 00:58:19,200 these pledges. I don't like organizations signing him. I 1001 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,330 think it's like, you're, why are you doing it? Don't you have no 1002 00:58:24,330 --> 00:58:27,660 control over your own future? You owe me? Why am I why would I 1003 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:32,280 be shamed in the same worth to have a wish worth 10 billion, 1004 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,420 and I'm now going to be shamed into signing away 5 billion of 1005 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:40,530 this. Oh, that's easy one. It's dumb 1006 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,110 Adam Curry: now, but this isn't this has nothing to do with 1007 00:58:43,110 --> 00:58:43,920 cars. Well, 1008 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040 John C. Dvorak: first of all, I do realize that for example, I 1009 00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:51,270 do remember when Ted Turner pledged like, you know, billion 1010 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:53,610 dollars to some universities and like that, and then he just 1011 00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:57,720 reneged you if you get worth $10 billion, you can sign anything 1012 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,830 you want and just say Screw you. And don't do it and which but 1013 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:02,520 then again now, 1014 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,400 Adam Curry: that's not what's happening. But what's happening 1015 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,520 with those guys is different. You know, very wealthy people. I 1016 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,690 mean, really wealthy people. I know very wealthy people. And 1017 00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:17,430 people with so much wealth, who can and have purchased anything 1018 00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:21,660 they want any kind of love, but they can't get respect from the 1019 00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:25,800 people. So what's the virtue signal? They want to be liked? 1020 00:59:25,830 --> 00:59:28,830 John C. Dvorak: Please Like I'm not gonna argue I don't care how 1021 00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:29,460 much money 1022 00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:32,430 Adam Curry: I have to pledge just like me. I don't want 1023 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:35,040 people look at me sideways, please like me. 1024 00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:36,900 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I understand. And that's probably 1025 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,830 exactly what is but that's not my point. My point is that 1026 00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:45,510 nobody should be signing pledges like this, and especially 1027 00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:48,300 government employees who are site who signed that Grover 1028 00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:53,580 Norquist thing. If I got a representative working for me 1029 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:57,750 and sees the state senator or whatever, I want him to be 1030 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,130 beholding to the pub Look that voted him in. I don't want him 1031 01:00:02,130 --> 01:00:07,560 being beholden to some guy Grover Norquist. I think it's 1032 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,060 like, what what are you pledging to this guy for? You're working 1033 01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:12,840 for me, 1034 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:18,810 Adam Curry: right? No argument there. Final thing on the New 1035 01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:23,370 York banker? He has, he has he said all you know, he'd read 1036 01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:25,530 some article which he sent to me, which I haven't read yet 1037 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,460 about grid calculations. And it turns out that you really don't 1038 01:00:29,460 --> 01:00:35,370 need that much. Gas to pick up the slack on wind, and solar has 1039 01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:38,430 all these grid calculations. And turns out it really works. And 1040 01:00:38,430 --> 01:00:41,850 you don't need unlike that sounds like bull crap. And he 1041 01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:44,460 just was going on and on. And then we got into an argument. He 1042 01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:47,640 said, Well, as you know, DC power is much more efficient to 1043 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:53,580 transmit. I'm like, stop. What? That please tell me that's 1044 01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:59,460 wrong. I mean, I just can't. I mean, no, DC power is not more 1045 01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:02,010 efficient to transmit over lines, is it? 1046 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,270 John C. Dvorak: DC power is more efficient in a lot of things. 1047 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:10,590 For sure. Yep. In your house. So if long range transmission is 1048 01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:12,300 one of them, I don't believe it is. 1049 01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:16,320 Adam Curry: No, they can't be Tesla and Edison thought about. 1050 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:19,860 John C. Dvorak: Yes. And it had to do with transmission, I 1051 01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:25,890 believe, at the end of the day. Yeah, I've gotta get this 1052 01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:27,510 Adam Curry: I'll send you that article. We got we got to 1053 01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:30,330 deconstruct this because all of a sudden he's all in on wind and 1054 01:01:30,330 --> 01:01:33,510 solar works and like and you know, that means someone else in 1055 01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:37,530 the in the elite circles is thinking it. He's never going to 1056 01:01:37,530 --> 01:01:39,150 take me out to dinner after you hear this. 1057 01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:43,140 John C. Dvorak: I assure you will convince you you're wrong. 1058 01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:43,650 Wrong. 1059 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:47,340 Adam Curry: Wrong again, curry. And with that, I would like to 1060 01:01:47,340 --> 01:01:49,320 thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the 1061 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,520 man who put the sea in the climate debt John C. Devorah. 1062 01:01:54,509 --> 01:01:57,599 John C. Dvorak: Me goes in the morning to you all the ships to 1063 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,179 see boots on the ground, feet in the air subsidy, water and all 1064 01:02:00,179 --> 01:02:00,629 the names and 1065 01:02:01,350 --> 01:02:03,930 Adam Curry: s in the morning to the trolls and the troll room 1066 01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:06,630 that's to be found and open and available for everybody know 1067 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:10,770 agenda stream.com It's not just our show. We do it live on 1068 01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:14,280 Sundays and Thursdays and you can troll along and make really 1069 01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,070 funny one liners and virtue signal, do anything you want 1070 01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:21,150 there. Go ahead and bring it while you're listening to the 1071 01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:24,990 live stream but you can do it 24/7 Because it's always cool 1072 01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:28,350 shows. There are different opinions, different topics, it 1073 01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:33,780 is running 24 hours a day, no agenda stream.com Also, in the 1074 01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:38,400 morning, a to our artiste for episode 1149. The title of that 1075 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,350 was couple of reds. And this was created by Mike Riley. We had a 1076 01:02:43,350 --> 01:02:48,540 number of choices. We we selected the I guess I'd made a 1077 01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:52,200 comment that Robert De Niro in that Trump hate video looked 1078 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:58,620 like something the cat had puked up like a hairball. Yes. He made 1079 01:02:58,620 --> 01:03:02,340 a piece of art that looked like a cat a giant cat that just 1080 01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:07,590 puked out Robert De Niro. And we kind of liked it. It had it, it 1081 01:03:07,590 --> 01:03:11,880 was good. Cheap laugh cheap. Last Laugh now. 1082 01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:13,980 John C. Dvorak: I'm looking, by the way I'm looking back at to 1083 01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:19,320 get some art for the newsletter. And I realize that we haven't 1084 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,150 heard from the Thorin, one of our most longtime Yes, you're 1085 01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:24,750 right, or 1086 01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:28,050 Adam Curry: I think he's overboard. Could be could be, 1087 01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:29,490 I'll tell you. So I'm gonna 1088 01:03:29,490 --> 01:03:31,470 John C. Dvorak: start finding I'm gonna see other ones that 1089 01:03:31,470 --> 01:03:35,190 I've noticed that are just kind of went overboard, or they're 1090 01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:38,640 stopped producing, or they just gave up. So so he already had a 1091 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,700 lot of hits. And it was like, but he just stopped. 1092 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,540 Adam Curry: I was I was out in the front yard yesterday. And my 1093 01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:49,020 neighbor Steve comes over. Now as you know, we moved into this 1094 01:03:49,050 --> 01:03:52,470 beautiful little area, small little cul de sac. And I'm not 1095 01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:56,220 walking around at any for any reason in Austin going, Yeah, I 1096 01:03:56,220 --> 01:04:01,110 got a podcast, you should listen. You know, it's like, I 1097 01:04:01,110 --> 01:04:05,370 don't know what people are thinking. Yeah, but we plan to 1098 01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:08,460 live here for a long time. And I want people you know, you listen 1099 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:13,830 to you listen to our show for 15 minutes. Now, let's some people 1100 01:04:13,830 --> 01:04:17,790 may get the wrong impression. So I'd never mentioned anything. 1101 01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:21,060 Steve comes over. He says, Hey, I was on the honeymoon. Steve's 1102 01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:26,250 a Vietnam vet. He's I think he's probably around 70 in the 70s 1103 01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:30,450 retired. And if that was your honeymoon, yeah, it's great. 1104 01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:33,990 Right? Well, you know, I gotta tell you what, I'm a douchebag. 1105 01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:39,210 What? says yeah, I'm a douchebag. I've been listening 1106 01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:45,420 to your show. Alright. Okay. I really like it. He says, I don't 1107 01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:48,660 like Trump said I want America to win. So I thought people hate 1108 01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:52,770 Trump, but that was funny. You guys are good. Wow. How about 1109 01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:53,190 that? 1110 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,520 John C. Dvorak: Wow, the next door neighbor? 1111 01:04:56,550 --> 01:04:59,040 Adam Curry: Yeah, thank goodness. Steve. 1112 01:04:59,070 --> 01:05:01,110 John C. Dvorak: I think Steve Jobs Hopper he's the guy grown 1113 01:05:01,110 --> 01:05:01,740 pot now. 1114 01:05:03,959 --> 01:05:07,049 Adam Curry: Yes to all of those No, the cops. I haven't 1115 01:05:07,049 --> 01:05:11,129 approached the cop yet. She, she's cool. It's an awesome 1116 01:05:11,129 --> 01:05:15,299 couple for you, police officer and a heavy metal drummer. It 1117 01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:17,729 doesn't get much better than that. Anyway, so 1118 01:05:17,730 --> 01:05:20,010 John C. Dvorak: they heavy metal drummers, the guy who came up to 1119 01:05:20,010 --> 01:05:21,090 you know, Steve 1120 01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:24,690 Adam Curry: is the veteran is the Vietnam vet from the, from 1121 01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:25,260 the other side 1122 01:05:25,289 --> 01:05:28,829 John C. Dvorak: next door neighbor. I'm sorry, AC and next 1123 01:05:28,829 --> 01:05:29,609 door. Yeah, he's 1124 01:05:29,610 --> 01:05:30,390 Adam Curry: on the other side. 1125 01:05:31,169 --> 01:05:34,109 John C. Dvorak: Late, but you got to cop and a heavy metal 1126 01:05:34,109 --> 01:05:36,599 drummer. They're living together. Yes. That's a couple 1127 01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:39,029 of this is what confused me. Ya 1128 01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:42,450 Adam Curry: know, that's one side and the other side is the 1129 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,690 new lives with not just partner but his friend. And that's also 1130 01:05:45,690 --> 01:05:50,670 a vet. He's a Iraq Iraq War vet. So I think they're just they 1131 01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:55,230 just share the house. Right. But everything about Steve didn't 1132 01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:58,770 tell me that he was going to, you know, hear any anything 1133 01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:02,100 about Trump and like it so I don't mention these things to 1134 01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:02,610 people. 1135 01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:07,020 John C. Dvorak: So he's a big old unreconstructed hippie 1136 01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:09,540 Democrat. Possibly. Yeah. 1137 01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:11,970 Adam Curry: But not an anti. I mean, he went to war for us. He 1138 01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:15,480 served the country. So he's not not that much of a hippie 1139 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,750 Democrat. But I don't know if he's anything other than my 1140 01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:21,150 neighbor and a nice guy. Then he's a douchebag said Now, 1141 01:06:21,150 --> 01:06:26,370 Steve. You're the emergency contact for anything happening 1142 01:06:26,370 --> 01:06:30,930 here. You're not a douchebag ever. There you go. Well, 1143 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:34,980 welcome to the show. Steve. Sweet tale. Yes, thank you. 1144 01:06:35,009 --> 01:06:38,759 John C. Dvorak: Oh, can you talk just a split second longer so I 1145 01:06:38,759 --> 01:06:40,109 can go get the paperwork. 1146 01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:44,610 Adam Curry: Okay. Yes. And kind of all 1147 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,140 John C. Dvorak: the bankers say 1148 01:06:48,090 --> 01:06:51,120 Adam Curry: the banker didn't have that much else to say. But 1149 01:06:52,650 --> 01:06:58,020 yeah. Yeah. tepary That's all I can all I can remember peppery 1150 01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:02,340 is whatever. I came to the I came to the to the meeting today 1151 01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:04,680 with all my stuff in order you know, and I'm you know, 1152 01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:10,560 John C. Dvorak: you know, pros can fill Alright, here we go. So 1153 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,960 let's go with our number one guy today's Sir Not sir on amis. Oh, 1154 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,740 he's back of dog put Yo, he's every month it comes in 1155 01:07:19,770 --> 01:07:22,620 Adam Curry: Serrano Dogpatch and Lois LeBeau. Via everybody. 1156 01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:23,610 slobodian to 1157 01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:26,880 John C. Dvorak: 112 $100. To $2. 1158 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,470 Adam Curry: This is 202 Holy crap. Now again, we have no idea 1159 01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:35,340 what the what the meaning is of this? Did he send you a note 1160 01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:40,170 with it? Of course. We know he loved his long one. And we love 1161 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:40,470 his No. 1162 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:44,430 John C. Dvorak: Thank you too. And the many producers that make 1163 01:07:44,430 --> 01:07:49,290 this show the best podcast in the universe. By mailing rather 1164 01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:53,490 than emailing I'm avoiding AI flagging this statement as hate 1165 01:07:53,490 --> 01:08:00,390 speech. After all, it claims all other podcasts are inferior. 1166 01:08:01,110 --> 01:08:03,390 Adam Curry: Yeah, that is hate speech is true. It's 1167 01:08:03,390 --> 01:08:06,750 John C. Dvorak: hate speech. It's true. On a recent show you 1168 01:08:06,750 --> 01:08:11,010 disgust offering naming rights for Adams new studio. Okay, here 1169 01:08:11,010 --> 01:08:16,200 we go. This is what he's about this lecture. Here we go. naming 1170 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:21,360 rights are a complicated matter. Can the name be offensive? Can 1171 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,680 it be commercial sponsored by a firm with his baggage? How long 1172 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,730 does it continue? A show a week? a month? A quarter? What if two 1173 01:08:29,730 --> 01:08:33,060 sponsors want to same show for their anniversary birthday or 1174 01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:37,680 other special day? What is the minimum price for naming? Should 1175 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,980 it be more than a knighting? More or less than executive 1176 01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:45,150 producer ship? After reflecting on these issues? And on Adams 1177 01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:50,520 commiserating that dogs, dog waste, homelessness, scooters 1178 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,850 and millennials drove him from the town centre. naming rights 1179 01:08:53,850 --> 01:08:57,780 seems superfluous. It sounds like the end of Austin. 1180 01:09:00,420 --> 01:09:04,740 Adam Curry: Alright, so this is now the lower Slobo via studio. 1181 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,370 That's what I'm naming it from now on lower Slovenia. I think 1182 01:09:11,370 --> 01:09:15,180 we kind of nixed the whole idea of, of naming rights. It was a 1183 01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:18,150 fun thought for a moment, but I see nothing but hurdles and 1184 01:09:18,150 --> 01:09:20,790 tribes and I think really not interested. Yeah. Because the 1185 01:09:20,790 --> 01:09:22,590 his point is it's well made. 1186 01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:25,950 John C. Dvorak: Let's use the word. It's problematic, 1187 01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:26,850 problematic 1188 01:09:26,850 --> 01:09:31,590 Adam Curry: indeed. We want people to value what we do and 1189 01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:35,190 send us value for that. Not for some advertising a hustle. Yeah, 1190 01:09:35,250 --> 01:09:38,460 because we'd rather be poor. I would at least I can't speak for 1191 01:09:38,460 --> 01:09:38,640 you. 1192 01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:43,140 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, anonymous comes in next at 666 1193 01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:48,030 dot 660. We actually have two Anonymous is in a row, anonymous 1194 01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:53,250 Viking of the Pacific Northwest. I don't remember that. This 1195 01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:57,300 together with my January 31 2018 donation of 350 completes my 1196 01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:00,420 knighthood. I want to be known as the Viking of the Pacific 1197 01:10:00,420 --> 01:10:04,620 Northwest the vortex excellent contrasting of Amy Goodman's 1198 01:10:04,620 --> 01:10:08,640 domestic violence report and the public records and Adams 1199 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,600 nuptials as well as double 33 followers on no agenda social 1200 01:10:12,810 --> 01:10:18,300 make me realize it's time for a knighthood I like cider and svid 1201 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:23,310 Oh, which is the Icelandic sheep head at the round table 1202 01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:27,960 Adam Curry: that somebody put in order right now. cider and svid 1203 01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:29,490 Unknown: okay 1204 01:10:31,230 --> 01:10:33,810 John C. Dvorak: travel karma for the Baron of Henderson Nevada 1205 01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:40,560 and a big audience karma for the upcoming Salem Oregon meet up be 1206 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:46,170 going to go to okay so we have some travel karma I got 1207 01:10:48,570 --> 01:10:50,190 Unknown: you've got karma. 1208 01:10:50,250 --> 01:10:53,430 Adam Curry: Thank you very much for your currency you at the at 1209 01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:55,590 the roundtable for the ceremony later on today. 1210 01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,400 John C. Dvorak: Callen MyStore 333 33 ITM folks working on our 1211 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,220 asses working our asses off here at the forum and always looking 1212 01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:10,590 forward to your next episode. keeps us going you HAMP in beer 1213 01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:15,810 is all we need. Callen T team at lavender blossoms no jingles 1214 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,830 please play drone again at the end of the show. million thanks 1215 01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:20,100 yes 1216 01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:23,040 Adam Curry: well I'm going to we don't have a lot for end of show 1217 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,410 so I will play that and a quick hit for you now with the karma 1218 01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:31,710 you've got 1219 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:32,580 Unknown: karma 1220 01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:44,700 John C. Dvorak: que ser Jeffro of the rock wall $250. I John 1221 01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:46,800 anatomy just realized I haven't donated since attending 1222 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,560 knighthood back attaining knighthood back in December, 1223 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,780 shame on me. I hope this donation will help with a 1224 01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:56,880 sluggish time. June as a cybersecurity manager I love 1225 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,670 your debunking of the media's manipulation of hacking glitches 1226 01:11:59,670 --> 01:12:05,100 and what not. And such. I'm sure that election cycle will give 1227 01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:08,160 you plenty of opportunities to tear down misinformation in that 1228 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,320 regard. Yes, it will be this is one of our special specialities. 1229 01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:16,650 I congratulate Adam and the keeper and I wished him a turn 1230 01:12:16,650 --> 01:12:20,250 any of happiness as for jingles if you can please throw a 1231 01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:24,690 Manning money shot just send your cash thanks. Think of the 1232 01:12:24,690 --> 01:12:28,200 children and little girl yeah on my way to help me remember to 1233 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,280 donate meant more often for the children. Thanks for all you do, 1234 01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:34,380 sir. Jeffro rock raw 1235 01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:40,110 Adam Curry: Shona money shop. Jesus. That's a money shot. 1236 01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:46,530 Conway is a money shots and your cash. Cash we can take that 1237 01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:55,710 you've got 1238 01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:56,550 Unknown: karma. 1239 01:12:57,690 --> 01:13:02,040 Adam Curry: Thank you very much. calendarist that mean? Sir Jeff. 1240 01:13:02,370 --> 01:13:03,570 Jeff of the rock wall. 1241 01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:08,580 John C. Dvorak: We have Andrew Jones Baron of the Americas 1242 01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:14,910 mountain 23456. He wrote in a card he had a card nice nice 1243 01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:19,950 very pretty car with some ponies on it. From blazes a photo by 1244 01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:28,650 Eileen Scahill. Fine Art New Mexico. Okay. Jeb and Alan. 1245 01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:33,030 Another meet up in my protector. It is long overdue. So I'm 1246 01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:35,760 organizing one of the details who all producers, slaves, 1247 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,310 donors, boners. And most assuredly the esteemed 1248 01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:42,150 assemblage of the roundtable where Phantom Canyon brew pub in 1249 01:13:42,150 --> 01:13:48,030 Colorado Springs, Colorado. When tonight July 19 2019, six to 9pm 1250 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,070 Mountain unlikely made probable further information at no agenda 1251 01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:59,130 meet ups.com napping for humanity now more than ever. am 1252 01:13:59,130 --> 01:14:02,040 Andrew Jones Baron of Americans mountain out? 1253 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,450 Adam Curry: I like the shorthand. It's on the list. We 1254 01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:08,970 will add it to our meetup rundown and thank you for your 1255 01:14:08,970 --> 01:14:17,490 courage and for your support do you want to karma 1256 01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:22,350 Unknown: you've got karma. 1257 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:25,200 Adam Curry: That will be a meetup. 1258 01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:31,350 John C. Dvorak: Get it? Meetup meetup. All right. That 1259 01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:36,210 concludes our group of associate and executive producers for show 1260 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,900 1151 thank them all for making this show possible. 1261 01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:43,680 Adam Curry: I need to have you receive a full credit for your 1262 01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,800 support in this regards. If you're an executive producer or 1263 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,940 Associate Executive Producer, please accept this. Take it with 1264 01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:54,060 you put it in places that people can see when you display this. 1265 01:14:54,270 --> 01:14:59,610 It gets your chicks and dudes sometimes it's it's a useful 1266 01:14:59,610 --> 01:15:02,760 thing. I'm telling you, and thank you so much for supporting 1267 01:15:02,850 --> 01:15:05,160 the work and we will be thanking more people in our second 1268 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,490 segment. And of course, we'll be back on Sunday with another show 1269 01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:10,110 which you can support by going to 1270 01:15:10,140 --> 01:15:13,620 Unknown: vote.org/and. A 1271 01:15:13,650 --> 01:15:17,130 Adam Curry: we break it down for you twice a week on Thursdays 1272 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:21,900 you need to propagate our formula is this. We go out for 1273 01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:34,260 yet people in the mouth shut us. 1274 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,660 Before we move on, I been meaning to ask you something for 1275 01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:42,240 several weeks, keep forgetting finally wrote it down in my show 1276 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:49,410 prep. Do you by any chance have a video of our vows from the 1277 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:53,040 wedding as you posited at the time? Ah. 1278 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,390 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, somewhere you have, 1279 01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:01,470 Adam Curry: because you told me you had the full ceremony? I do. 1280 01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:08,010 Could you please get that to us? Okay, thank you. I was worried 1281 01:16:08,010 --> 01:16:10,470 because I heard that you were taking pictures, but you got 1282 01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:13,170 home. And all you had was a whole bunch of the videos have 1283 01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:17,550 like a second because you'd left it on the video setting. And I 1284 01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:20,040 was worried that maybe you just had one picture of the ceremony? 1285 01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:21,300 No video, 1286 01:16:22,170 --> 01:16:25,830 John C. Dvorak: I will go look. Okay, I took the whole video. 1287 01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:29,640 I've done this before. I've only made a complete video. It takes 1288 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,540 you know, 20 minutes, whatever it was. Yeah. I don't mind doing 1289 01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:37,230 it. And I do have it and whether I don't know about the 1290 01:16:37,230 --> 01:16:40,440 audibility of the Vows, but I think most of us it should be in 1291 01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:41,490 there cuz it was pretty quiet. 1292 01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:44,160 Adam Curry: Well, thank you. It's appreciated. 1293 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,300 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I should put that aside. What happens I 1294 01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:50,910 have this problem, because I'm like, when it does certain 1295 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:54,630 things, I have a bad habit. I just start collecting stuff. So 1296 01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:57,930 I collect photos. I've never noticed this, really. And so 1297 01:16:57,930 --> 01:17:01,560 yeah, so I ended up with these terabytes of photos and there's 1298 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:05,190 just like all these photos. So then you can they're not catalog 1299 01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:06,060 log. That's a real 1300 01:17:06,090 --> 01:17:07,800 Adam Curry: you know what you need. You need a dead man's 1301 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,130 switch. You know, when when you keel over, and it's all done. 1302 01:17:11,250 --> 01:17:15,600 Just terabytes of shit gets released. Just to shoot it all 1303 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,080 out into the ether. Just put it all on ISFPs or what's there 1304 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,340 forever can never go away. It'd be fantastic. Yeah, I'd be 1305 01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:23,970 beautiful. 1306 01:17:24,060 --> 01:17:27,240 John C. Dvorak: So anyone who I delve into the thing into the 1307 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:32,550 pile, it's like jump into a pile. And then holy wow. Wow, 1308 01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:39,660 that was a great photo. Anyway, okay, I'll get back on that. 1309 01:17:40,710 --> 01:17:42,390 Before it gets erased accidentally. 1310 01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:45,480 Adam Curry: Couple of things. So 1311 01:17:45,929 --> 01:17:48,419 John C. Dvorak: good news in the Queen's it looks like that 1312 01:17:48,419 --> 01:17:52,259 nutcase that Kisara not cash is not in that case. She's just 1313 01:17:52,379 --> 01:17:58,769 extreme justice. Democrat type and she is going to you know, do 1314 01:17:58,769 --> 01:18:01,679 whatever what they do on these other towns, they're gonna you 1315 01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:04,739 know, crack down on the police and make sure that they did 1316 01:18:04,739 --> 01:18:09,029 they're nicer and let people poop in the streets and does do 1317 01:18:09,029 --> 01:18:13,409 who cares about cool are you talking about are shoplifting 1318 01:18:13,409 --> 01:18:19,439 cabanne. Woman, the Justice woman and she's barely one inch 1319 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,299 from winning here played. New York 1320 01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:24,450 Unknown: City Tiffany cabanne appears poised for victory and 1321 01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:28,500 the Queens District Attorney race. Gabon, a 31 year old queer 1322 01:18:28,500 --> 01:18:31,740 Latina public defender would become the first woman to hold 1323 01:18:31,740 --> 01:18:35,850 the post. She ran on ending cash bail, stopping the prosecution 1324 01:18:35,850 --> 01:18:38,760 of low level offenses decriminalizing sex work and 1325 01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,150 going after bad landlords, cops and Immigration and Customs 1326 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:45,780 Enforcement. Tim had me come on claim victory last night and 1327 01:18:45,780 --> 01:18:46,620 Queens. 1328 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,710 Adam Curry: Well, this is interesting. She's one of the 1329 01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:55,170 soul sisters. I mean, the Soros sisters, I should say. And I 1330 01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:59,190 learned this from my buddy Moe, that Soros in particular, I know 1331 01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:03,180 there is the big evil sorrows. But it's not a secret that he is 1332 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:07,800 sponsoring black female district attorneys all over the country. 1333 01:19:08,250 --> 01:19:12,180 And I'm not quite sure why other than social justice seems to be 1334 01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:15,720 written all over them. I think he also helped get the Chicago 1335 01:19:16,170 --> 01:19:20,430 da in place. Well, 1336 01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,470 John C. Dvorak: yeah, people and they're not just her or black 1337 01:19:25,470 --> 01:19:27,300 district attorneys, but there's a bunch of other ones. They're 1338 01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:30,870 all these justice style. I mean, it's the Seattle's got one. We 1339 01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:33,690 have one in San Francisco Kamla Harris actually comes from that 1340 01:19:33,690 --> 01:19:40,140 whole school also a Soros system. And it unless you're 1341 01:19:40,170 --> 01:19:45,960 doing it to to lower the price of real estate in an area. 1342 01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:50,970 There's really no other reason that I can think of because real 1343 01:19:50,970 --> 01:19:58,050 estate prices in Queens, which is a huge place is going up 1344 01:19:58,050 --> 01:20:01,230 maybe it's time to reverse the tree. In and turn the Queen's 1345 01:20:01,230 --> 01:20:04,950 into a shithole. Well, I guess my point is that's what's gonna 1346 01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:05,910 happen by the way, 1347 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,220 Adam Curry: it's broader than that. That's That's my point is 1348 01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:11,670 like, we may be turning a lot of places into a shithole. Well, 1349 01:20:12,570 --> 01:20:17,610 but and it seems like these DBAs are chosen and sponsored for 1350 01:20:17,610 --> 01:20:22,230 their, you know, obvious social justice warrior qualities. 1351 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:28,260 John C. Dvorak: Yes, absolutely. It's a great experiment. saurez 1352 01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:30,240 How old is Soros? He's like, eight at 1353 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,010 Adam Curry: some age at something. Yeah. 1354 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,200 John C. Dvorak: Well, being a lizard he'll probably go to be 1355 01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:35,280 about 110 1356 01:20:35,790 --> 01:20:37,950 Adam Curry: He's gonna look so good when he finally changes his 1357 01:20:37,950 --> 01:20:42,270 skin. Once he sheds that old that old crusty version Oh, 1358 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:42,750 yeah. 1359 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:47,250 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, anyway, so she's in it looks like GIMP is 1360 01:20:47,250 --> 01:20:50,760 still close because cats is the winner should have won the 1361 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,730 borough president, but I think these are also rigged somehow. 1362 01:20:54,210 --> 01:20:54,900 Yeah. 1363 01:20:56,370 --> 01:20:58,440 Adam Curry: Whenever you hear the name Soros, you can kind of 1364 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:02,970 think so. Yeah. What they need is they need some of that 1365 01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:07,560 rigging for the women over in the EU. It I think they try 1366 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:12,360 again to to vote on their new leader of the Starfleet Command 1367 01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:17,610 to replace Juncker the drunker in the EU Commission. Right. And 1368 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,700 so it's all about gender balance now. Oh, yeah. You think it's 1369 01:21:20,700 --> 01:21:23,970 just here in America, that we have all this crazy stuff going 1370 01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:26,880 on? No gender balance. That's what they're looking for. 1371 01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:30,450 Unknown: The European Union has a gender gap problem. None of it 1372 01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:33,840 three most powerful institutions have ever been led by a woman, 1373 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,380 including the commission, Council of national leaders, and 1374 01:21:37,380 --> 01:21:40,740 the European Central Bank. But now those posts plus the top 1375 01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:44,430 diplomat job are up for grabs, providing an opportunity to 1376 01:21:44,430 --> 01:21:45,600 break up the boys club. 1377 01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:48,780 I think it's high time we never had a female commissioned 1378 01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:52,650 president. Were totally lacking gender equality. I mean, even in 1379 01:21:52,650 --> 01:21:56,400 the European Parliament, if we want to represent Europeans, we 1380 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,700 cannot ignore half of the population of the European 1381 01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:00,150 Union. 1382 01:22:00,570 --> 01:22:03,630 And it seems the boys are at least making the right noises. 1383 01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:07,200 Adam Curry: I love them. I love how this report instead of men 1384 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,740 Oh, no, the boys club the boys really cute. Imagine if that 1385 01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:14,250 report was reversed? I'm gonna hate doing that. But he's, I 1386 01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:14,940 mean, come on. 1387 01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:17,880 Unknown: We cannot ignore half of the population of the 1388 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:19,560 European Union. And it 1389 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,040 seems the boys are at least making the right noises. Right? 1390 01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:29,160 John C. Dvorak: gender balance means at least to two women. 1391 01:22:30,270 --> 01:22:31,920 Unknown: To get married. It's important for me to have a 1392 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,010 gender background these nominations that we have two men 1393 01:22:35,010 --> 01:22:36,450 and two women the fun 1394 01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:40,980 for us most powerful position that of the Commission President 1395 01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:44,070 currently held by John Claude Juncker. Denmark's Margaret 1396 01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:47,430 vestia, is in the mix. Currently, she is the blocked 1397 01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:50,610 Top competition official and has made a name for herself for 1398 01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:53,490 taking on the likes of Google and Apple. Other candidates 1399 01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:56,730 include head of the World Bank, cristalino Gill giver, and 1400 01:22:56,730 --> 01:22:59,880 Spanish economy minister Nadia Calvino, but most names being 1401 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,670 touted and men, as the leadership reflects domestic 1402 01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:05,850 politics across the bloc despite growing pressure for gender 1403 01:23:05,850 --> 01:23:10,020 diversity. men dominate the makeup of most EU institutions 1404 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,490 of the bloc's 28 state leaders just for a women and the gap is 1405 01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:17,850 particularly glaring at the ECB. We're just two women's sit on 1406 01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:21,600 its 25 Mega Council also fixing the gender gap. It's just one 1407 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,140 factor of many in the race, any deals must balance the interests 1408 01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:29,130 of states and parliament, big countries and small Europe's 1409 01:23:29,130 --> 01:23:33,210 north, south, east and west, and political parties. EU 1410 01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:36,420 institutions are also not only more male than the electorate, 1411 01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:41,700 they're whiter to minorities make up a population, but just 1412 01:23:41,700 --> 01:23:43,740 5% of income and lawmakers. 1413 01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:49,470 Adam Curry: It's gonna be so fun to watch this. I think Margarita 1414 01:23:49,470 --> 01:23:52,950 for tonight, though, she's she's interesting. She would work. 1415 01:23:53,490 --> 01:23:55,950 Yeah. And 1416 01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:57,930 John C. Dvorak: United States though she's into 1417 01:23:58,410 --> 01:24:01,200 Adam Curry: one of the four women leaders in the European 1418 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,100 Union is Angela Merkel. Second time now she's got the shakes 1419 01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:08,910 while standing in public. Did you see this video? No, I did 1420 01:24:08,910 --> 01:24:13,020 not. So what happened a week ago, the first time and she was 1421 01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:17,340 in Ukraine. When she started shaking uncontrollably and it 1422 01:24:17,340 --> 01:24:21,450 was Oh no, she was dehydrated. Okay, now she's on stage and 1423 01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:26,040 starts happening again. That one of her her minions walks up 1424 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,460 hands her a glass of water. She reaches out because she sees 1425 01:24:29,460 --> 01:24:33,630 someone coming she goes to grab She's no no. No, I I guess she 1426 01:24:33,630 --> 01:24:36,120 didn't want to seem weak or something. But yeah, and she 1427 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,300 just the whole trembling with her legs the same thing and so 1428 01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,410 Oh, no, no, just nothing to see here. No problem. 1429 01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:46,020 John C. Dvorak: It's diabetic thing to something's 1430 01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:49,500 Adam Curry: going on. And, you know, why can't she just be 1431 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:54,810 honest. It's not dehydration all the time. And if it's 1432 01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:58,350 dehydration and you're dehydrated, you refuse the water 1433 01:24:58,350 --> 01:25:01,530 that someone brings to you because it's embarrassing. 1434 01:25:02,610 --> 01:25:04,320 John C. Dvorak: Maybe she's got the DTS, 1435 01:25:05,130 --> 01:25:06,330 Adam Curry: what's the DTS? 1436 01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:09,570 John C. Dvorak: There's an old phrase, a few people out there. 1437 01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:13,170 I know what I meant. delirium tremens that you have when 1438 01:25:13,170 --> 01:25:15,720 you're coming if you're an alcohol addict or even a heroin 1439 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,490 addict would be DTS. Oh, so she's a baby some sort of She's 1440 01:25:20,490 --> 01:25:23,250 addicted to it. She's an alcoholic or a drug addict and 1441 01:25:23,250 --> 01:25:26,160 she's trying to get off it and yeah, you get you get the 1442 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,470 shakes, and she seemed nice coming out of the walls, and God 1443 01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:31,890 knows what else is going on. It doesn't sound good. 1444 01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:38,040 Adam Curry: So there's a lot of technology stuff we can talk 1445 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,250 about, oh, maybe we just do this. E Jean Carol for a moment 1446 01:25:41,250 --> 01:25:46,020 in the Trump rotation department. Yeah, if you want 1447 01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:54,750 yeah, why not? It was it was kind of funny. So E Jean Carroll 1448 01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:57,750 is promoting a book that's that's the only way you can see 1449 01:25:57,750 --> 01:26:03,480 it and, and CNN fell for it. This she has written about her 1450 01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,290 sexual trysts. I believe it that's a main subject of 1451 01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:10,500 John C. Dvorak: mine will be Wilt Chamberlain. She makes it 1452 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:14,400 sound like she's had affairs or either you had affairs with 1453 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,990 everybody or she was hit on by pretty much every major person 1454 01:26:18,990 --> 01:26:21,030 you've ever heard of in your life. Yes. 1455 01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:25,080 Adam Curry: And so the headline is, I was raped by Trump, but 1456 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,110 that's not her words. In fact, she doesn't even like the word 1457 01:26:28,110 --> 01:26:31,920 rape. She thinks it has different connotations. I think 1458 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,490 she's a pathological liar. She may be a very good writer, but 1459 01:26:35,490 --> 01:26:40,620 she's definitely just full of it. And I think that this may 1460 01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:43,440 have been any doubt about that. I think she may have had her own 1461 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,790 fantasy, and whether it happened or whether she wrote about it. 1462 01:26:48,210 --> 01:26:51,420 But she's promoting a book and they all fell for it. Everybody 1463 01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:54,030 has CNN number one on every single show. 1464 01:26:54,330 --> 01:26:56,730 John C. Dvorak: They want to believe these things they really 1465 01:26:56,730 --> 01:26:59,970 Adam Curry: do so want to just please give it to me. And of 1466 01:26:59,970 --> 01:27:02,940 course that did not end well. For Anderson Cooper. You 1467 01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:04,920 John C. Dvorak: don't feel like a victim. I was not thrown on 1468 01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,250 the ground and ravish which the more rate carries even 1469 01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:10,590 Adam Curry: that even saying I was not thrown on the ground and 1470 01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:15,060 ravish ravishing is not the same as being brutally raped or 1471 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:19,950 raped. ravishing is the way I understand the word is more a 1472 01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:24,090 term of extreme passion. But just to show you right off the 1473 01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:27,000 bad this woman is not thinking what Anderson Cooper is thinking 1474 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:28,950 John C. Dvorak: you don't feel like a victim. I was not thrown 1475 01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:32,700 on the ground and ravish which the word rape carries so many 1476 01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:39,330 sexual connotation. This was not this was not sexual. It just it 1477 01:27:39,330 --> 01:27:41,610 hurt it just what it just you know, 1478 01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,910 I think most people think of raping as what Cooper's trying 1479 01:27:44,910 --> 01:27:47,460 to say is it's supposed to her Don't you know that it guess 1480 01:27:47,460 --> 01:27:51,240 what it just you know, I think most people think of raping as a 1481 01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:53,580 I mean, it is a violent assault. It is 1482 01:27:53,580 --> 01:27:56,340 not I think most people think of rape as being sexy. 1483 01:27:57,870 --> 01:28:05,220 Let's wait for it says that. Yay. Fantasy rooms. 1484 01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:10,650 As I mean it is a violent assault. It is not I think 1485 01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:15,030 most people think of rape as being sexy. Let's take a short 1486 01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:16,290 break and the fantasies. 1487 01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:20,130 Unknown: We're gonna take a quick break. If you can stick 1488 01:28:20,130 --> 01:28:21,570 around. We'll talk more on the other side. 1489 01:28:21,780 --> 01:28:25,260 John C. Dvorak: You're fascinating to talk to. Oh my 1490 01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:26,160 god. 1491 01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:30,660 Adam Curry: You can just hear the control room flipping out 1492 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:33,060 here. I'll tell you exactly where they start freaking out. 1493 01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,670 John C. Dvorak: It is a violent assault. It is not I 1494 01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:38,070 think most people see the rapist being sexy. 1495 01:28:42,900 --> 01:28:46,080 Adam Curry: Break we're gonna take a break and we'll talk more 1496 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:46,800 on the other side. 1497 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,090 John C. Dvorak: You're fascinating to talk to. Now, 1498 01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:55,140 okay, we haven't done this for a while. But I am going to give 1499 01:28:55,140 --> 01:28:58,590 you a clip of the day for that. That is just to clarify. 1500 01:28:59,850 --> 01:29:02,550 Adam Curry: But it gets better. It gets better listen to it 1501 01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:09,510 can't get yeah does. This is he or she is on the joy read show 1502 01:29:09,540 --> 01:29:10,860 basically telling her story. 1503 01:29:10,889 --> 01:29:13,319 John C. Dvorak: So he goes like this towards the dressing room. 1504 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:16,589 And the odd thing is the dressing room door was open and 1505 01:29:16,589 --> 01:29:19,949 Bergdorf says you know and on the counter were these fancy 1506 01:29:19,949 --> 01:29:24,119 lingerie boxes as they used to have back in the 90s Yeah, so I 1507 01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:28,109 walked in right and bowed and he shut the door and bang against 1508 01:29:28,109 --> 01:29:28,559 the wall. 1509 01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:31,620 Unknown: So immediately upon walking into that 1510 01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:33,150 John C. Dvorak: driveway attack against the 1511 01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:36,690 Adam Curry: wall, right against the wall. Many people and you 1512 01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:39,780 should have been included in this. Thought this sounded 1513 01:29:39,780 --> 01:29:46,860 vaguely familiar this scenario this this plot and if you are a 1514 01:29:46,860 --> 01:29:50,490 law and order fan Special Victims Unit you might have 1515 01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:52,710 thought this did anyone 1516 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,440 John C. Dvorak: want to roleplay a rape with you in a public 1517 01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:00,330 place? Yes, there was one a bit plain and it was not pure 1518 01:30:00,330 --> 01:30:07,560 fantasy was mine. Roleplay took place in the dressing room at 1519 01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,040 Bergdorf, Fs. While she was trying on lingerie, I would 1520 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,090 burst in on. 1521 01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:17,969 Adam Curry: Wow, she's written for a lot of TV stuff. So I 1522 01:30:17,969 --> 01:30:21,329 wonder if, if, if that just kind of crept in. 1523 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,290 John C. Dvorak: But at some point, some writers seem to lose 1524 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,580 contact with reality. And their writing. And they I mean, Woody 1525 01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:32,370 Allen has done a couple of movies about this phenomenon. 1526 01:30:32,970 --> 01:30:36,840 And it's like to play or the people this stories that you 1527 01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,750 write about, you know, as you think they actually happened, 1528 01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:44,730 and because they're so graphic, I don't know. I mean, I thought 1529 01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:48,000 when I first read her piece that it was all jacked up about the 1530 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,000 day excerpted part of her book and put it in Vanity. 1531 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, the whole piece is just filled with 1532 01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:57,180 how she's, you know, having sex when she's eight years old, and 1533 01:30:57,180 --> 01:30:58,110 just all kinds of so 1534 01:30:58,110 --> 01:31:03,030 John C. Dvorak: everybody wants to have her Yes, honestly. Yeah, 1535 01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:06,300 no, she's, yeah, it was pretty funny. And it was a pretty 1536 01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:09,360 obviously it was. And if you listen to the interview with her 1537 01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:14,340 and Anderson, you hear a cut you hear that kind of a almost 1538 01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:19,230 borderline craziness. It's kind of exuding Yeah. Yeah. You're 1539 01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:20,790 fascinating to talked to 1540 01:31:22,170 --> 01:31:25,140 your sexuality. It's in your DNA is 1541 01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:27,480 great. The sex is great 1542 01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:31,320 Adam Curry: sex ed Mo and but most people think rape is sexy. 1543 01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:41,340 Okay, lady. already. It's just, it's it is. That's our media, 1544 01:31:41,790 --> 01:31:44,520 anything, anything that bring Trump down anything to bring him 1545 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,380 down, or bring him down? We got another break, break, break 1546 01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:51,150 break. Go to Trump rotation.com. If you'd like to see what could 1547 01:31:51,150 --> 01:31:55,470 possibly be next on the menu, as we winced, spin the wheel of 1548 01:31:55,470 --> 01:31:58,320 accusations. It's all in there. That's true. So 1549 01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:01,110 John C. Dvorak: I have not been able to add a new one for 1550 01:32:01,140 --> 01:32:04,050 probably three, four or five months. I think they're I think 1551 01:32:04,050 --> 01:32:06,900 it's solid right now. And I've numbered them. So don't just go 1552 01:32:06,900 --> 01:32:07,710 by the number. 1553 01:32:09,090 --> 01:32:11,250 Adam Curry: There's a so there's a number of technology things 1554 01:32:11,250 --> 01:32:16,110 going on, there was a hearing, which was underplayed downplayed 1555 01:32:16,110 --> 01:32:19,170 was not really promoted. I didn't I found out about it just 1556 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:23,460 by someone mentioned it on no agenda social.com While it was 1557 01:32:23,460 --> 01:32:30,840 taking place, this is, you know, this Senate had a was a 1558 01:32:30,990 --> 01:32:35,040 technologist or what are they called algorithms as technology 1559 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:41,250 companies and algorithms Senate hearing, which was, you know, C 1560 01:32:41,250 --> 01:32:44,850 span three, so not even available for most people. Then 1561 01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:48,480 we also had an, we're gonna see we're gonna find an order here. 1562 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:53,670 We had the Project Veritas, Google Insider. Tech, maybe 1563 01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:57,180 we'll start. Actually, maybe we'll start with Sal was a good 1564 01:32:57,180 --> 01:33:00,630 one. Yeah. And I do have some comments about that. But I'd 1565 01:33:00,630 --> 01:33:04,410 like to start with something that I came across, which gives 1566 01:33:04,410 --> 01:33:07,770 you a pretty good idea of how Google specifically Google 1567 01:33:07,770 --> 01:33:14,100 really works. And Portland, Portland, Oregon, is, has signed 1568 01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:21,150 up to Google's Sidewalk Labs project. I, we may have talked 1569 01:33:21,150 --> 01:33:25,590 about this in the past. Maybe the idea is they they take a 1570 01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:29,910 city or a portion of the city, and they track everything, 1571 01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:31,770 everybody, it's all connected 1572 01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:33,840 John C. Dvorak: over you. We talked about this years ago, I 1573 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,850 think Toronto is their first target. 1574 01:33:36,090 --> 01:33:40,320 Adam Curry: Yeah, but now it's Portland. Yeah. And, and the 1575 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,830 idea is they're selling this service, the Google Sidewalk 1576 01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:49,890 Labs. And in that is a program called replica. And they use it 1577 01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,840 for city planners. So you can understand how traffic flows. 1578 01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,390 And you know, other things for planning for planning for 1579 01:33:57,390 --> 01:34:01,230 planning in the city. But, and I cut this, I have a video and 1580 01:34:01,230 --> 01:34:04,800 it's about four minutes to cut it down to under two. It's if 1581 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,050 you listen to this in the context of what they're doing 1582 01:34:07,050 --> 01:34:11,640 with us all the time, and how they track what we do, it 1583 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,820 becomes a little clearer as to exactly how beautiful this 1584 01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:18,990 business model of Google's is. And as I've always said, it 1585 01:34:18,990 --> 01:34:22,320 always comes down to location that is the, you know, the 1586 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,320 keyhole database, the keyhole system that they acquired early 1587 01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,640 on when they were funded by in Q tel, the CIA's venture capital 1588 01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:35,070 firm. This was very intentional. This is a true surveillance 1589 01:34:35,070 --> 01:34:39,030 system, the whole company is built around your location. And 1590 01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:42,360 when you add any little thing to your location, you're able to do 1591 01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,030 quite a lot and just listen to how they speak about this in the 1592 01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:48,360 context of the Sidewalk Labs project. And just think about it 1593 01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,200 in the context of advertising to you, or any kind of behavioral 1594 01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,600 modification, which is what advertising is 1595 01:34:54,630 --> 01:34:58,320 Unknown: replica is made up of two parts, a replica activity 1596 01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,320 table, a database rep. Presenting all the trips and 1597 01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,880 activities by people in an area, and explore an easy to use 1598 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:09,480 interface for querying the data and creating maps and charts. 1599 01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:13,140 First, let's look at how a replica activity table is 1600 01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:16,950 created. We use cell phone location data covering a small 1601 01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:20,550 percentage of the population to learn about travel patterns, and 1602 01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:24,480 create a travel behavior model. Basically a set of rules that 1603 01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:29,400 represent how a person makes choices on where, when, why and 1604 01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:33,240 how to travel. The location data is collected by third party 1605 01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:37,050 mobile apps with all identifying information like names and phone 1606 01:35:37,050 --> 01:35:38,010 numbers removed. 1607 01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:41,730 Adam Curry: Now, mind you, for the Sidewalk Labs project, they 1608 01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:44,700 remove all that information, but Google has it. 1609 01:35:45,660 --> 01:35:49,020 Separately, we use aggregate census information and other 1610 01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:52,740 sources to create what planners call a synthetic population. 1611 01:35:53,130 --> 01:35:56,160 This is a virtual population that is statistically 1612 01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,240 representative of the real population. If 300 People live 1613 01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,480 on your block, you'll find 300 people living on your block and 1614 01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:04,560 replica. And you 1615 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:09,210 know, she's no, this is exactly what Google's doing. You know 1616 01:36:09,210 --> 01:36:12,780 that it might address there's a replica, a replica of me a 1617 01:36:12,780 --> 01:36:14,940 digital me inside the Google's 1618 01:36:14,970 --> 01:36:18,420 100 People live on your block, you'll find 300 people living on 1619 01:36:18,420 --> 01:36:21,990 your block and replica, but you won't be able to identify any 1620 01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:25,170 individual. We then give each person and the virtual 1621 01:36:25,170 --> 01:36:28,890 population, a travel behavior model based on where they live, 1622 01:36:29,070 --> 01:36:32,970 work, and some other factors. Finally, we use computer 1623 01:36:32,970 --> 01:36:36,840 simulation to generate a week of trips and activities for each 1624 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,470 person. Let's dive in and take a look at one person in the 1625 01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:42,720 virtual population as an example. And 1626 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,840 remember, this is not one person, it's replica of you. 1627 01:36:45,870 --> 01:36:48,420 They know what you they have your name to have your email, 1628 01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:51,480 your phone, your address, and they know who you are a replica 1629 01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:55,680 activity table, we can see this person is in a household of one 1630 01:36:55,680 --> 01:37:00,270 adult and two kids. She lives in the suburbs and owns a car, we 1631 01:37:00,270 --> 01:37:03,930 can see in the data that she drives to work downtown, leaving 1632 01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:08,160 home around 8am stopping off at a coffee shop on the way in the 1633 01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,640 afternoon, she leaves work at 4pm. And heads to the grocery 1634 01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:16,890 store sweet, sweet gig, she gets home at five. A replica activity 1635 01:37:16,890 --> 01:37:20,940 table is made up of millions of virtual people, each with their 1636 01:37:20,940 --> 01:37:25,230 own home work or school, and a full week of trips and 1637 01:37:25,230 --> 01:37:28,410 activities. These movements are faithful to real world 1638 01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:32,520 activities, but not traceable to actual people or specific trips. 1639 01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:32,700 So 1640 01:37:32,730 --> 01:37:35,400 they just have to keep saying that. So you're not creeped out 1641 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,490 as a city planner. But this is exactly what Google does for 1642 01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:41,400 their advertising clients for for anyone who wants to do 1643 01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:43,920 business with Google. That's what they do. They have a 1644 01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:49,830 replica of you. This folds into the first and only piece that I 1645 01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:57,660 want to play from this Senate hearing. And the guy I have is 1646 01:37:57,660 --> 01:38:02,190 Tristan or Tristan Tristan Harris, he is from the Center 1647 01:38:02,190 --> 01:38:05,640 for humane technology. I haven't looked him up. But okay, think 1648 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,730 tanks, um, something in the I don't know who's funding it. But 1649 01:38:08,730 --> 01:38:12,450 he talks about the concept of persuasive technology. And after 1650 01:38:12,450 --> 01:38:15,510 you've heard what you just did about how Google puts it all 1651 01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:21,240 together, it gives good context for him explaining what is what 1652 01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:25,380 Google's business model is and how they're using it. And if 1653 01:38:25,380 --> 01:38:25,920 it's good or not 1654 01:38:25,950 --> 01:38:28,710 Unknown: everything you said, it said to me because it's 1655 01:38:28,710 --> 01:38:32,520 happening not by accident, but by design. Because the business 1656 01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:36,630 model is to keep people engaged, which in other words, this 1657 01:38:36,630 --> 01:38:40,440 hearing is about persuasive technology. And persuasion is 1658 01:38:40,440 --> 01:38:43,830 about an invisible asymmetry of power. When I was a kid, I was a 1659 01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:49,290 magician. And magic teaches you that you can have asymmetric 1660 01:38:49,290 --> 01:38:51,150 power without the other person realizing it. You can 1661 01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:54,840 masquerade. To have asymmetric power walk by looking like you 1662 01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,600 have an equal relationship. You say pick a card any card, while 1663 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,060 meanwhile you know exactly how to get that person to pick the 1664 01:39:00,060 --> 01:39:02,280 card that you want. And essentially what we're 1665 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,150 experiencing with technology is an increasing asymmetry of power 1666 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,120 that's been masquerading itself as a equal or contractual 1667 01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:11,520 relationship where the responsibility is on us. 1668 01:39:11,670 --> 01:39:14,190 Adam Curry: I like that. And by the way, feel free to jump in 1669 01:39:14,190 --> 01:39:16,440 wherever you want. John, I'd like what he's saying. I like 1670 01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:19,770 John C. Dvorak: it, too, I think is really, really absorb. It is 1671 01:39:19,770 --> 01:39:21,540 very good. Yeah, it's a good observation. 1672 01:39:21,570 --> 01:39:23,520 Adam Curry: Yeah. Because because we all think it's fair. 1673 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,100 And it's an equal relationship we have with these companies, 1674 01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:27,090 but it's not in 1675 01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:29,370 Unknown: the race for attention. Because there's only so much 1676 01:39:29,370 --> 01:39:32,820 attention, companies have to get more of it by being more and 1677 01:39:32,820 --> 01:39:34,800 more aggressive. I call it the race to the bottom of the 1678 01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,980 brainstem. So it starts with techniques like pull to refresh. 1679 01:39:38,130 --> 01:39:40,560 So you pull to refresh your newsfeed that operates like a 1680 01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,440 slot machine, it has the same kind of addictive qualities that 1681 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:47,220 keep people in Las Vegas hooked to the slot machine. Other 1682 01:39:47,220 --> 01:39:50,160 examples are removing stopping queues. So if I take the bottom 1683 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,640 out of this class, and I keep refilling the water or the wine 1684 01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,160 you won't know when to stop drinking. So that's what happens 1685 01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,620 with infinitely scrolling feeds. We naturally remove the stopping 1686 01:39:58,620 --> 01:40:01,830 queues and this is what keeps people scrolling, but the race 1687 01:40:01,830 --> 01:40:04,620 for attention has to get more and more aggressive. And so it's 1688 01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:06,870 not enough just to get your behavior and predict what will 1689 01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:10,530 take your behavior, we have to predict how to keep you hooked 1690 01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:13,050 in a different way. And so it crawled deeper down the 1691 01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:15,600 brainstem into our social validation. So that was the 1692 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,780 introduction of likes, and followers, how many followers to 1693 01:40:18,780 --> 01:40:22,140 I have, and that got every It was much cheaper to instead of 1694 01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:24,660 getting your attention to get you addicted to getting 1695 01:40:24,660 --> 01:40:27,270 attention from other people. And this has created the kind of 1696 01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:30,210 mass narcissism and mass cultural thing that's happening 1697 01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:32,130 with with young people, especially today, and as 1698 01:40:32,130 --> 01:40:35,430 Adam Curry: you see it, he's, he's nailing it. So we had that 1699 01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:38,970 part, we tapped into your narcissistic side, which is 1700 01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:42,630 still going on, because you can have your video anywhere you 1701 01:40:42,630 --> 01:40:46,650 want it, you can have it on YouTube. But the narcissist in 1702 01:40:46,650 --> 01:40:49,440 you says, Well, if I get kicked off YouTube, then I might as 1703 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:53,610 well be dead. Because no one's watching, like everyone deserves 1704 01:40:53,610 --> 01:40:56,100 to be a superstar Andy Warhol was right in 1705 01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:58,260 Unknown: the race for attention. It's not enough just to get 1706 01:40:58,260 --> 01:41:01,590 people addicted to attention, the race has to migrate to AI, 1707 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,160 to can build a better predictive model of your behavior. And so 1708 01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:06,990 if you give an example of YouTube, so there you are, 1709 01:41:06,990 --> 01:41:09,930 you're about to hit play on a YouTube video, and you hit play, 1710 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,270 and then you think you're gonna watch this one video. And then 1711 01:41:12,270 --> 01:41:14,400 you wake up two hours later and say, Oh, my God, what just 1712 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,520 happened? And the answer is because you had a supercomputer 1713 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,850 pointed at your brain. And the moment you hit play, it wakes up 1714 01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:23,610 an avatar, voodoo doll like version of you inside of a 1715 01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:27,210 Google server. And that avatar, based on all the clicks, and 1716 01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:29,220 likes and everything you've ever made, those are like your hair 1717 01:41:29,220 --> 01:41:32,130 clippings, and toenail clippings and nail filings that make the 1718 01:41:32,130 --> 01:41:35,250 avatar looking at more and more like you so that inside of a 1719 01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:38,940 Google server, they can simulate more and more possibilities. If 1720 01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:41,490 I pick you at this video for Frankie with this video, how 1721 01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:43,860 long would you stay and the business model is simply what 1722 01:41:43,860 --> 01:41:46,920 maximizes watch time. This leads to the kind of algorithmic 1723 01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,850 extremism that you've pointed out. And this is what's caused 1724 01:41:50,850 --> 01:41:54,300 70% of YouTube's traffic now and be driven by recommendations not 1725 01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:56,970 by human choice, but by the machines. 1726 01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:59,460 Adam Curry: And this is where it gets interesting, because that 1727 01:41:59,460 --> 01:42:02,250 they've obviously figured this out the recommendations, if you 1728 01:42:02,250 --> 01:42:05,580 see this deep platforming stuff that's going on, it's all about 1729 01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:07,950 taking people off recommendations not being 1730 01:42:07,950 --> 01:42:11,340 recommended. Because what they don't really know how to do yet 1731 01:42:11,370 --> 01:42:14,490 is to truly modify your behavior. If you're a 1732 01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:17,280 conservative, and you're looking for conservative talk and 1733 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,490 conservative outrage, you're going to be drawn to it. That's 1734 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:23,610 just how the system works, they have no way to push you towards 1735 01:42:23,610 --> 01:42:27,660 anything else, which is probably why they need to quarantine this 1736 01:42:27,660 --> 01:42:28,440 type of stuff. 1737 01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:32,010 Unknown: And it's a race between Facebook's Voodoo Doll where you 1738 01:42:32,010 --> 01:42:34,500 flick your finger can they predict what to show you next, 1739 01:42:34,710 --> 01:42:37,290 and Google's voodoo doll. And these are abstract metaphors 1740 01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:39,180 that apply to the whole tech industry where it's a race 1741 01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:42,120 between who can better predict your behavior. Facebook has 1742 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,130 something called loyalty prediction where they can 1743 01:42:44,130 --> 01:42:47,250 actually predict to an advertiser when you're about to 1744 01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:51,420 become disloyal to a brand. So if you're a mother and you take 1745 01:42:51,420 --> 01:42:55,230 Pampers diapers, they can tell Pampers, hey, this user is about 1746 01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:57,510 to become disloyal to this brand. So in other words, they 1747 01:42:57,510 --> 01:43:00,210 can predict things about us that we don't know about our own 1748 01:43:00,210 --> 01:43:00,660 selves, 1749 01:43:01,260 --> 01:43:04,530 Adam Curry: where you're aware of this, this capability. I'd 1750 01:43:04,530 --> 01:43:07,170 never heard of this before. That's new to me. And if that's 1751 01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:11,610 true, that's very powerful stuff. And I, I would be curious 1752 01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:12,870 to know how they do it. But 1753 01:43:12,990 --> 01:43:15,990 Unknown: and that's a new level of asymmetric power. And we have 1754 01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:17,940 a name for this asymmetric relationship, which is a 1755 01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:21,390 fiduciary relationship or a duty of care relationship, the same 1756 01:43:21,390 --> 01:43:24,930 standard we apply to, to doctors, to priests to lawyers. 1757 01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:28,500 Imagine a world in which priests only make their money by selling 1758 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,500 access to the confession booth to someone else, except in this 1759 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:34,110 case, Facebook listens to 2 billion people's confessions, 1760 01:43:34,230 --> 01:43:37,140 has a has a supercomputer next to them. And as calculating and 1761 01:43:37,140 --> 01:43:39,600 predicting confessions you're going to make before you know, 1762 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,850 you're going to make them. And that's what's causing all this 1763 01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:45,000 havoc. This affects everyone, even if you don't use these 1764 01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,120 products, you still send your kids to a school where other 1765 01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:50,490 people believing that anti vaccine conspiracy theories 1766 01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:53,130 causes impact for your life or other people voting in your 1767 01:43:53,130 --> 01:43:56,340 elections. And when Marc Andreessen said software is 1768 01:43:56,340 --> 01:44:00,060 going to eat the world, what he meant by that was that software 1769 01:44:00,060 --> 01:44:03,540 can do every part of society more efficiently than non 1770 01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:06,240 software, right? Because it just adding efficiencies, right. And 1771 01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,940 so we're going to allow software to eat up our elections, we're 1772 01:44:08,940 --> 01:44:11,250 gonna allow it to eat up our media, our taxi, our 1773 01:44:11,310 --> 01:44:15,060 transportation, and the problem was that software was eating the 1774 01:44:15,060 --> 01:44:17,460 world without taking responsibility for it. We used 1775 01:44:17,460 --> 01:44:19,530 to have rules and standards around Saturday morning 1776 01:44:19,530 --> 01:44:23,190 cartoons. And when YouTube gobbles up that part of society, 1777 01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:26,070 it just takes away all of those protections. So 1778 01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:28,590 Adam Curry: that's a long backgrounder, but I think it 1779 01:44:28,620 --> 01:44:32,250 really explains extremely well what these companies are doing 1780 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:35,850 and that it truly is about business for them. And I'm just 1781 01:44:35,850 --> 01:44:39,990 going to push back a little bit again, with the most recent 1782 01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,420 removal of videos D platforming quarantining of the Donald 1783 01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:49,350 subreddit on read all these things. People are so convinced 1784 01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:53,820 that these companies are only trying to kill conservative 1785 01:44:53,850 --> 01:44:56,940 thinking and conservative thought. They're missing the big 1786 01:44:56,940 --> 01:45:01,530 picture. In that big picture still comes down to money. 1787 01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:06,810 That's all about that they do if, if conservatism is seen as 1788 01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:11,220 toxic, then it's gotta go. But they, they have no way to to 1789 01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:14,460 change your direction. Not yet at least they have not 1790 01:45:14,490 --> 01:45:18,840 algorithms, their AI can amplify what you like, but it can't 1791 01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,290 change your behavior yet they're really trying to get that and 1792 01:45:22,290 --> 01:45:26,190 they're not sincere about going after hate. They really aren't. 1793 01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:26,970 Here's proof. 1794 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:29,010 Unknown: There's a startling revelation at a House Homeland 1795 01:45:29,010 --> 01:45:32,070 Security Committee hearing, Democratic Congressman Max Rose 1796 01:45:32,070 --> 01:45:35,190 of New York got executives from Facebook, Google and Twitter to 1797 01:45:35,190 --> 01:45:38,490 admit that none of them have full time employees to monitor 1798 01:45:38,490 --> 01:45:40,680 terrorist propaganda and hate speech. 1799 01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:45,210 John C. Dvorak: You all cannot get your act together enough to 1800 01:45:45,210 --> 01:45:50,790 dedicate enough resources to put full time staff under a building 1801 01:45:50,850 --> 01:45:56,520 dealing with this problem. I think it speaks to the ways in 1802 01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,260 which we're addressing this with this technocratic libertarian 1803 01:46:01,260 --> 01:46:08,130 elitism. And all the while people are being killed. 1804 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,770 Unknown: Now that came during a discussion about the tech 1805 01:46:10,770 --> 01:46:13,980 companies failure to take down live video of the march mosque 1806 01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:15,180 attacks in New Zealand. 1807 01:46:15,390 --> 01:46:19,500 Adam Curry: So they're not really sincere about it. They 1808 01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:22,440 just don't, they don't really care. They only care about what 1809 01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:26,550 advertisers are interested in and definitely goes for Google 1810 01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:29,700 with their search results. They don't want people turned off and 1811 01:46:29,700 --> 01:46:32,880 pissed off and turned away. But for some reason, they've 1812 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:37,440 convinced everybody that they're out to get you. And it's kind of 1813 01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:40,080 pissing me off certainly from no agenda, people you should know 1814 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,990 better. And then you get this Project Veritas, which looks 1815 01:46:42,990 --> 01:46:47,460 like the biggest red herring in the world with a whistleblower 1816 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:52,080 who's on a vocoder. Are you kidding me? That's not a 1817 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,530 whistleblower. That's a dude in the dark with a vocoder. We 1818 01:46:55,530 --> 01:46:58,170 don't know who this person is. We don't know what that we don't 1819 01:46:58,170 --> 01:47:04,440 have a name as chickenshit and dramatic music and facts that 1820 01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:07,410 you can interpret any way you want. Right after 1821 01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:11,430 Unknown: Donald Trump won the election 2016, the company did a 1822 01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:15,690 complete 180. And what they thought was important before 1823 01:47:15,690 --> 01:47:18,240 they felt self expression and giving everyone a voice was 1824 01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:22,170 important. But now they're like, hey, there's a lot of hate. And 1825 01:47:22,170 --> 01:47:25,770 because of there's a lot of hate misogyny and racism, that's your 1826 01:47:25,770 --> 01:47:30,240 reason why Donald Trump got elected. And so we need to fix 1827 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,780 that. And we need to start policing our users. Because we 1828 01:47:33,780 --> 01:47:37,170 don't like to have an outcome like that. We don't want to have 1829 01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:40,410 an outcome like that to happen again. So the things that 1830 01:47:40,410 --> 01:47:44,820 changed was that the TJs, they started talking about the need 1831 01:47:44,820 --> 01:47:49,290 to combat hate and racism online. And also, at YouTube, 1832 01:47:49,290 --> 01:47:55,230 they had the same like talks by the CEO, Susan. And they they 1833 01:47:55,230 --> 01:47:59,400 talked about combating God and getting rid of unfairness. And 1834 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,820 so slowly, they started introducing the concept of 1835 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:04,680 machine learning fairness. 1836 01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,080 Adam Curry: Alright, so it comes down to this machine learning 1837 01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,470 fairness, which sounds I don't know it's somehow people have 1838 01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:13,530 misconstrued this with the machine learning is to take away 1839 01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:17,430 all the all the bad talk, but no, it's not. They're trying to 1840 01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:21,360 equalize the options that they present. So they can move people 1841 01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:25,710 towards a more advertiser friendly area of their service. 1842 01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:29,730 But you, you can interpret it any way you want. Fairness, 1843 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:34,650 Unknown: is a dog whistle does not mean what you think that it 1844 01:48:34,650 --> 01:48:37,470 means. And you have to apply doublethink in order to 1845 01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:40,650 understand what they're really saying. What they're really 1846 01:48:40,650 --> 01:48:44,040 saying about fairness is that they have to manipulate their 1847 01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:48,090 search results so that it gives them their political agenda that 1848 01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:48,900 they want. 1849 01:48:48,930 --> 01:48:51,270 Adam Curry: I I don't know about you job. I just disagree. 1850 01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:54,600 There's no evidence that this is only about their political 1851 01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:58,530 agenda. It's people saying that and without any proof with some, 1852 01:48:58,830 --> 01:49:05,070 again, a poor poorly edited. I won't say deceptive, but the 1853 01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:08,670 video of the woman who apparently says we wanted to fix 1854 01:49:08,670 --> 01:49:12,150 it or didn't want to didn't want the Trump problem in 2020. You 1855 01:49:12,150 --> 01:49:15,510 can interpret this in many ways. You can say we didn't want the 1856 01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:20,490 Russian the Russian collusion. We didn't want fake news. But 1857 01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:25,950 this insider, the vocoder insider chickenshit. Me if you 1858 01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:28,350 really want to do something, step out those tell us who you 1859 01:49:28,350 --> 01:49:31,680 really are. No, it's hard. You have to be afraid because it's 1860 01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,430 all for their political agenda bullshit. This is about money. 1861 01:49:35,550 --> 01:49:40,470 Unknown: So they have to bias their algorithms so that they 1862 01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:44,850 can they can get their agenda across, you know, to unpack 1863 01:49:45,180 --> 01:49:48,990 everything that she's saying, saying that she wants to be she 1864 01:49:48,990 --> 01:49:54,030 wants the algorithm to be fair to a hand picked representative 1865 01:49:54,060 --> 01:49:57,150 of that community means that what she's trying to do is she's 1866 01:49:57,150 --> 01:50:00,240 trying to sell you a product that is not objectionable. But 1867 01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,880 it was just trying to do was just trying to sell product 1868 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,360 that's not objective. The desert representable that's users 1869 01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:10,800 instead represents the will of a of a group of people making 1870 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,240 decisions behind the shadows. 1871 01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:16,170 Adam Curry: So this insider actually, flubbed, and the truth 1872 01:50:16,170 --> 01:50:18,360 came out, did you hear it now? 1873 01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,700 Unknown: means that what she's trying to do is she's trying to 1874 01:50:20,700 --> 01:50:24,720 sell you a product that is not objectionable. What you're 1875 01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:26,520 trying to do is just trying to sell product that's not 1876 01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:27,120 objective. 1877 01:50:28,140 --> 01:50:30,600 Adam Curry: No, you were right the first time she's trying to 1878 01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,210 sell a product that is not objectionable. 1879 01:50:34,020 --> 01:50:36,900 John C. Dvorak: He said it. Yeah, that's that's what it is. 1880 01:50:36,930 --> 01:50:39,600 Adam Curry: That's what it is. It's what is not objectionable. 1881 01:50:39,660 --> 01:50:41,070 And here's, here's an example. 1882 01:50:41,070 --> 01:50:43,020 John C. Dvorak: Wait a minute, why did why did he even bother 1883 01:50:43,020 --> 01:50:47,340 correcting it? To objective? What is objective mean? The 1884 01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:49,890 honest sense, you know, it was to sell you a product that's 1885 01:50:49,890 --> 01:50:53,310 subjective. What does that mean? It makes less sense when he 1886 01:50:53,310 --> 01:50:53,880 fixed it. 1887 01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,850 Adam Curry: To me, it sounded like someone doing a retake, and 1888 01:50:56,850 --> 01:50:59,100 it was supposed to be edited out. That's what it sounded like 1889 01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:01,830 to me. Let me just pick that up again. Let me do it over, you 1890 01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:09,300 know what I mean? Yeah, pick it up. So here's the here's the 1891 01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:12,030 here's an example of this machine learning or machine 1892 01:51:12,030 --> 01:51:12,900 fairness, 1893 01:51:12,930 --> 01:51:16,590 Unknown: project, Veritas also received a trove of confidential 1894 01:51:16,590 --> 01:51:20,550 documents from within Google. This document is about 1895 01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:25,770 algorithmic unfairness. It reads quote, for example, imagine that 1896 01:51:25,770 --> 01:51:30,990 a Google image query for CEOs shows predominantly men, even if 1897 01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:34,770 it were a factually accurate representation of the world, it 1898 01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:37,800 would be algorithmic unfairness unquote, 1899 01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:46,260 Adam Curry: understand what's wrong. They want they want to 1900 01:51:46,260 --> 01:51:52,440 show as many CEOs as possible. So I'm just, I'm just not buying 1901 01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:57,150 this entire look, tech is arrogant. This is all tech 1902 01:51:57,150 --> 01:51:59,940 arrogance, every single bit of it, but they've been caught with 1903 01:51:59,940 --> 01:52:04,800 their pants down, because they can't change the behavior of 1904 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,760 these people towards an N, something that is not 1905 01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:11,400 objectionable. That's what they're trying to do. So they 1906 01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,280 have to quarantine it, cut it off, cut it off, get rid of it. 1907 01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:18,570 And it's misread. And this is a big problem is being misread by 1908 01:52:18,570 --> 01:52:23,610 people who believe they're being attacked and, and silence, and 1909 01:52:23,610 --> 01:52:27,840 they're moving away. And I've seen this movie before you've 1910 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,690 seen it to John, you get an up, you get enough people, they're 1911 01:52:30,690 --> 01:52:33,840 going to start moving to other things, and it will happen and 1912 01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,630 they're losing market share every single day, my hope is 1913 01:52:36,630 --> 01:52:40,410 that they they lose it towards a federated approach. I've seen a 1914 01:52:40,770 --> 01:52:44,490 Reddit clone already, which works with the Federation 1915 01:52:44,490 --> 01:52:48,990 completely federated. There's new alternatives to YouTube, as 1916 01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:52,140 we've talked about earlier, bit, shoot, etc. It has some, you 1917 01:52:52,140 --> 01:52:54,810 know, these brands are starting to garner a little bit of a 1918 01:52:54,810 --> 01:52:59,700 little bit of attraction. And people will move over to those 1919 01:52:59,700 --> 01:53:01,860 systems. And they're afraid of that, too. I think they're in a 1920 01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:05,130 rock and a hard place. And here's the big secret the 1921 01:53:05,130 --> 01:53:07,830 Internet is a network, you can do whatever you want on it. You 1922 01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:12,330 don't need them. How many people actually voted for someone 1923 01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:17,910 differently because of Google searches? Come on now. 1924 01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:19,590 John C. Dvorak: Probably none. 1925 01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:25,290 Adam Curry: Thank you. None, then you know, so what is the 1926 01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,750 what is the point of screaming and yelling that your 1927 01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:33,180 conservative YouTube podcast YouTube video, or your channel 1928 01:53:33,180 --> 01:53:37,470 was taken down? What are you there to convince people to vote 1929 01:53:37,470 --> 01:53:40,560 for for a conservative? Is that your job? You think that's 1930 01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,220 really working? You think that the sarcastic YouTube videos 1931 01:53:44,220 --> 01:53:46,920 that people make which are funny and is great and it's in and 1932 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,770 conservatives love it? Do you think that makes a difference? 1933 01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:52,050 Oh, you can do that. I'm bitchute and have just as much 1934 01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:55,500 fun. Everybody some kind of social justice warrior these 1935 01:53:55,500 --> 01:53:58,590 days and the conservative right is no better than the than the 1936 01:53:59,130 --> 01:54:03,510 socialist left. And meanwhile, the guys in the middle are just 1937 01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:06,180 struggling to make the dollars come their way. 1938 01:54:08,670 --> 01:54:10,890 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's why makeup videos are the real 1939 01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:11,310 winner. 1940 01:54:12,330 --> 01:54:16,410 Adam Curry: Yes, they are pretty good, actually. Quite well. Yes. 1941 01:54:16,410 --> 01:54:17,460 Do you watch those a lot? 1942 01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:20,580 John C. Dvorak: I usually watch them just to find the good ones 1943 01:54:20,580 --> 01:54:21,810 to send to you. Yeah. 1944 01:54:24,030 --> 01:54:28,470 Adam Curry: It's so appreciated. Yeah. So be on the lookout for 1945 01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:34,740 for this arrogance. It's everywhere. But to just be out 1946 01:54:34,740 --> 01:54:37,410 there fighting and yelling and screaming and saying that, you 1947 01:54:37,410 --> 01:54:41,070 know, it's, it's they're trying to silence us. No, they're not. 1948 01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:46,620 They're just trying to modify your behavior and get the good 1949 01:54:46,620 --> 01:54:48,990 at and remove controversy. 1950 01:54:50,340 --> 01:54:52,950 John C. Dvorak: I also remove people who advertise within 1951 01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:56,190 their own broadcast because it's taking money away from them the 1952 01:54:56,190 --> 01:54:57,060 way they see it, 1953 01:54:57,120 --> 01:55:02,040 Adam Curry: you know, YouTube reminds me of MTV and MTV was 1954 01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:06,540 the star. Right? It was MTV is the star of the show. It's the 1955 01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:10,590 channel. It's the brand. It's the big M little TV is the 1956 01:55:10,590 --> 01:55:16,110 moment I want my MTV. They did not want VJs to be stars. They 1957 01:55:16,110 --> 01:55:19,080 in fact, that's why they you saw so many of them. They rotated 1958 01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:20,970 them out all the time, but you get in popped to get the fuck 1959 01:55:20,970 --> 01:55:23,370 out. Goodbye. All right, next what you want more money. Okay, 1960 01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:26,760 goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye, goodbye. We they want 1961 01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:31,020 to be the star YouTube is the star. They don't want other 1962 01:55:31,020 --> 01:55:35,190 stars. And they're right. It's annoying. You got to pander to 1963 01:55:35,190 --> 01:55:35,520 them. 1964 01:55:36,270 --> 01:55:38,880 John C. Dvorak: They don't want it. Yeah. And they get leverage. 1965 01:55:38,940 --> 01:55:39,690 And yeah, 1966 01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,910 Adam Curry: and they make a billions of dollars off of the 1967 01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:45,990 makeup videos. That's it. They want you to watch makeup videos 1968 01:55:45,990 --> 01:55:48,690 and cat videos and your kids being cute. That's what they 1969 01:55:48,690 --> 01:55:54,750 want. Yeah. And everything else is just delusional, delusional. 1970 01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:59,400 I'd like Steven Crowder. He's funny now, and Oh, sure. Yes, 1971 01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,850 there's a document where the Google guys says, hey, you know 1972 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:09,270 this Shapiro and Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson. They're Nazis. 1973 01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:13,650 That's my favorite. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then we'll enter what 1974 01:56:13,650 --> 01:56:16,710 the if you really read the document. What they say is we 1975 01:56:16,710 --> 01:56:19,920 should remove them from the recommendation system that's the 1976 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,430 only thing that's of importance in that in that in that secret 1977 01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:26,370 Google Group is they're saying we should do we don't want them 1978 01:56:26,370 --> 01:56:29,670 to be recommended? No, of course you know, because that could 1979 01:56:29,670 --> 01:56:35,970 actually screw up your business that he calls them or path to 1980 01:56:35,970 --> 01:56:37,680 Nazis or whatever fine. 1981 01:56:39,450 --> 01:56:44,070 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Especially 1982 01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:53,220 Peterson Yeah. Professor of long lectures long lectures 1983 01:56:53,550 --> 01:56:55,440 Adam Curry: Well, it's always funny to call her oh, maybe 1984 01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:56,040 John C. Dvorak: I'm not so sure. 1985 01:56:56,700 --> 01:56:59,400 Adam Curry: It's it's always fun to call an Orthodox Jew a Nazi I 1986 01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:02,280 mean, I see the humor in it it's yeah it's very funny so I'm good 1987 01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:07,380 about it and it really is so calm down everybody and go find 1988 01:57:07,380 --> 01:57:11,880 go to find other places to go somewhere else it is not 1989 01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:15,810 John C. Dvorak: calm find he just you can write me Adam loves 1990 01:57:15,810 --> 01:57:22,830 by the way getting these notes so just keep writing to him. 1991 01:57:24,510 --> 01:57:28,410 Adam Curry: I'm just saying that get your get your panties out of 1992 01:57:28,410 --> 01:57:33,000 the bunch that they're in and and stop screaming on Twitter. 1993 01:57:33,330 --> 01:57:36,750 Well unfair unfair in this case I just got to agree with with 1994 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,690 with all agree with the leftist who were saying it's a private 1995 01:57:39,690 --> 01:57:42,930 company they can do what they want to how hypnotized are we 1996 01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:46,740 become to believe that we cannot live without the Google? Oh, we 1997 01:57:46,740 --> 01:57:47,910 can't live without it. 1998 01:57:48,330 --> 01:57:50,550 John C. Dvorak: Can't go easily without all the stuff you can 1999 01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:54,420 live without you. We don't run our podcast on anything but our 2000 01:57:54,420 --> 01:57:58,170 own system Correct. Which assesses people out to be 2001 01:57:58,170 --> 01:58:01,500 reminded of that. You don't go I mean, you can find it all over 2002 01:58:01,500 --> 01:58:03,990 the place because people can post our podcasts wherever they 2003 01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:06,540 want. And then it shows up somewhere you could be on 2004 01:58:06,540 --> 01:58:12,750 Spotify, I'm not sure. And but our mechanism is a mechanism 2005 01:58:12,750 --> 01:58:17,160 that we do directly we use this you know a bunch of servers in 2006 01:58:17,220 --> 01:58:21,930 Europe and Canada. Costs. It'll be cost money then costs. Well, 2007 01:58:21,930 --> 01:58:24,240 we're seeing doesn't cost as much as it would if it used 2008 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:24,990 podbean 2009 01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:30,600 Adam Curry: we're very fortunate to have a void zero and bemrose 2010 01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:35,580 John C. Dvorak: Some pros like void zeros a pro. Bae, Bevis and 2011 01:58:35,580 --> 01:58:36,120 Butthead. 2012 01:58:37,590 --> 01:58:40,200 Adam Curry: Man just so rude about our guys, man. 2013 01:58:40,260 --> 01:58:42,090 John C. Dvorak: Right? They love it. They need a touch you 2014 01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:49,470 Adam Curry: know, we water yeah, once you go drink some water and 2015 01:58:49,470 --> 01:58:53,190 I'll tell you that it we have Ryan bemrose We call the program 2016 01:58:53,190 --> 01:58:56,280 director and Mark Van Dyke is the system's master over 2017 01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:59,220 engineering and stream management and Wizardry. I got 2018 01:58:59,220 --> 01:59:01,380 John C. Dvorak: to meet bemrose He was up in Seattle meet up 2019 01:59:01,410 --> 01:59:03,180 really nice, really nice guy. 2020 01:59:03,540 --> 01:59:06,060 Adam Curry: Yep, of course. These are all super nice guys. 2021 01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:11,310 All of them. Okay, they're cheesy. Sounds so good. 2022 01:59:12,450 --> 01:59:15,540 Something else that was going Oh, yes. So amidst all this, I 2023 01:59:15,540 --> 01:59:17,640 do have a little OTG update. 2024 01:59:17,970 --> 01:59:20,970 John C. Dvorak: Now. Yeah. Small. You have an OTG update. 2025 01:59:20,970 --> 01:59:22,140 It was in a newsletter. 2026 01:59:22,710 --> 01:59:25,200 Adam Curry: Oh, thank you for putting that in. Yes, a little 2027 01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:30,420 OTG update. As I was, you know, we moved to the house and I 2028 01:59:30,420 --> 01:59:33,990 threw out a whole bunch of stuff. Like almost all my stuff 2029 01:59:33,990 --> 01:59:37,890 and bought a couple of boxes open organizing. And I find an 2030 01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:38,940 old IG orchard 2031 01:59:38,940 --> 01:59:40,920 John C. Dvorak: your stuff off is probably all valuable. Yeah, 2032 01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:41,190 no, I'm 2033 01:59:41,190 --> 01:59:44,280 Adam Curry: not gonna do that. We already tried that and I 2034 01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:48,360 failed. I didn't follow through. I don't want to auction off you 2035 01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,820 know, because you have to wipe everything and you know, this 2036 01:59:50,850 --> 01:59:57,540 data is golden them devices men. So I find an iPhone five. The 2037 01:59:57,540 --> 02:00:01,980 iPhone five was the last iPhone that Steve Jobs actively 2038 02:00:02,130 --> 02:00:04,950 participated in design. And 2039 02:00:05,190 --> 02:00:06,930 John C. Dvorak: I would say the iPhone five was the most 2040 02:00:06,930 --> 02:00:09,210 beautiful one ever done. Yeah, 2041 02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:14,160 Adam Curry: it was actually it the four had the the four, of 2042 02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:21,120 course was the you're holding it wrong phone. Which was, it was a 2043 02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:25,230 weird one it was released a weird, weird cycle. It's just 2044 02:00:25,260 --> 02:00:28,080 Yeah, I agree with you, I think the form factor, you hold it in 2045 02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:31,170 your hand, it feels really solid. The five is a little just 2046 02:00:31,170 --> 02:00:33,690 a little bit bigger. But the five has some differences. It 2047 02:00:33,690 --> 02:00:39,570 has the LTE. So you have 4g instead of the the four which 2048 02:00:39,570 --> 02:00:44,460 had 3g. So just as a lark, I fired it up just to see, you 2049 02:00:44,460 --> 02:00:47,910 know, what was on it, what was going on with it. And I don't 2050 02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:52,050 know why. But it started up in complete reset mode. Maybe 2051 02:00:52,050 --> 02:00:54,300 because the battery's been dead for years. I mean, this is a 2052 02:00:54,300 --> 02:01:00,780 phone from 2010. So it's been around for almost a decade. So I 2053 02:01:00,780 --> 02:01:03,930 fired up and it starts off in new phone mode. And like, Oh, 2054 02:01:03,930 --> 02:01:08,490 what the hell, I'll set it up as a new phone. And with that, I 2055 02:01:09,180 --> 02:01:13,890 set it up with the screen, you have to create an apple id. So I 2056 02:01:13,890 --> 02:01:17,550 just created a phony baloney name. And, and you know, an 2057 02:01:17,550 --> 02:01:20,970 email address I wanted from you know, which would be icloud.com. 2058 02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:27,810 And it set it up. And I, I found out that you can update the 2059 02:01:27,810 --> 02:01:31,380 whatever, I think I had iOS eight on it, you can update it 2060 02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:35,430 to 10 dot 3.3 Not over the air, you have to actually connect it 2061 02:01:35,430 --> 02:01:38,670 to iTunes. So like what the hell, I'll let me see what's 2062 02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:44,400 going on. When you have it updated to 10 dot 3.3, you can 2063 02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:48,390 install something called privacy Pro, which I was reading about. 2064 02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:53,310 Maybe two weeks ago, some guy found out that his iPhone 2065 02:01:53,310 --> 02:01:55,920 Surprise, surprise, in the middle of the night was sending 2066 02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:00,540 out 5000 Different pings. Because of all the apps that are 2067 02:02:00,540 --> 02:02:03,390 in you have all these these frameworks and and all these 2068 02:02:03,390 --> 02:02:07,530 trackers inside the apps in Yelpers was apparently a phone. 2069 02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,590 Yeah, I'll kill him the phone he says about a gigabyte of data a 2070 02:02:10,590 --> 02:02:12,600 month if you really looked at and that's just what he had 2071 02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:18,480 installed. So this privacy Pro, which I think is a subscription, 2072 02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:23,160 you have to pay for it monthly. But it is it works exactly like 2073 02:02:23,190 --> 02:02:27,780 the piehole only runs on the device itself. So it comes with 2074 02:02:27,780 --> 02:02:32,280 a preloaded list of trackers. And at the DNS level because 2075 02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:36,390 it's basically it's a VPN. And so you're requesting, you know, 2076 02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:40,380 tracker.google.com, it's on the list. And so then it goes into 2077 02:02:40,380 --> 02:02:44,010 the BitBucket. And it never it never shows up on your phone. 2078 02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:49,080 And you actually have a pretty decent experience using your 2079 02:02:49,110 --> 02:02:53,040 your product. What this gave me was the opportunity to look at 2080 02:02:53,070 --> 02:02:57,990 what the iPhone is always taught who it's talking to, in its 2081 02:02:57,990 --> 02:03:02,760 standard state, just the iPhone, no loaded apps zero except for 2082 02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:07,080 this one, which is the privacy pro app. And it really only is 2083 02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:12,630 sending stuff. It's pinging an iTunes server, it's pinging the 2084 02:03:12,630 --> 02:03:16,590 iCloud. So I just locked all those off. And she said, No, you 2085 02:03:16,590 --> 02:03:21,900 can nothing Apple can't talk to anything anywhere. And, and now 2086 02:03:21,900 --> 02:03:27,510 all of a sudden, here's a phone that does that has a 4g, which 2087 02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:31,050 is what I've been looking for, does not talk to any outside 2088 02:03:31,050 --> 02:03:33,840 crap. Now of course, you can still be your local even though 2089 02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:36,870 you got to turn off background refresh, you got to turn off, 2090 02:03:37,410 --> 02:03:40,740 turn off Bluetooth, turn off Wi Fi, you want all of that stuff 2091 02:03:40,740 --> 02:03:44,580 off, because that's another way how they track you, you really 2092 02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:48,120 only want to have cell phone tracking as the only unless you 2093 02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,700 turn that off, then you just have a phone that doesn't do 2094 02:03:50,700 --> 02:03:57,180 much. And it takes incredible discipline to not load any apps. 2095 02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:01,170 Because once you do that, then you're screwed. This phone is 2096 02:04:01,170 --> 02:04:06,720 quite usable in this in this instance, it will do email it 2097 02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:09,750 does it reasonably fast. It does text message you got to turn off 2098 02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:13,260 the iMessage get rid of all that shit. And I'm looking at a phone 2099 02:04:13,260 --> 02:04:16,680 that I think is reasonably locked down from from tracking 2100 02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:19,680 except for the the obvious ones that they could do on my Nokia 2101 02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:26,100 with the benefit of faster speed and, and a web browser that 2102 02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:29,490 actually functions and I'm going to try it now the battery is 2103 02:04:29,490 --> 02:04:32,670 lasting. You know it's already 48 hours on one charge because 2104 02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:37,650 it's not doing anything is just sitting there. It's work. The 2105 02:04:37,650 --> 02:04:42,420 VPN is working a little bit but it's very, very nice product. 2106 02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:46,110 And I think it may be the way to go. And I'm calling the iPhone 2107 02:04:46,110 --> 02:04:49,290 OTG I think it's the way to go and you can pick him up for 50 2108 02:04:49,290 --> 02:04:57,240 bucks on Amazon the five Yeah. It's not new. I mean, it's 2109 02:04:57,330 --> 02:05:00,450 refurbish, but who cares because scratches on it out care. 2110 02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:04,079 John C. Dvorak: That's kind of interesting, because the 2111 02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,450 Adam Curry: thing is, you can't do this with an Android, because 2112 02:05:06,450 --> 02:05:09,750 Android has all this ship built right into it. Now, who knows 2113 02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:11,670 what Android is doing? I have some 2114 02:05:12,419 --> 02:05:16,139 John C. Dvorak: kind of my phone the Android does is, which is an 2115 02:05:16,139 --> 02:05:19,439 older Android. It's really not doing that much is probably too 2116 02:05:19,439 --> 02:05:21,089 far as I can tell it's not doing anything. 2117 02:05:22,650 --> 02:05:26,100 Adam Curry: Yeah, I wouldn't trust that. Oh, I have a turned 2118 02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:28,290 off right now. But I still kind of trust 2119 02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:30,870 John C. Dvorak: you have it turned off. He won't do a lot. 2120 02:05:31,260 --> 02:05:33,990 And if you haven't turned off the likelihood of it being 2121 02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:37,950 tracking or anything, then what I do is I keep my phone off. 2122 02:05:38,430 --> 02:05:39,870 Well, you know, hard is that 2123 02:05:39,929 --> 02:05:42,029 Adam Curry: when you turn your phone back on, it actually sends 2124 02:05:42,029 --> 02:05:44,549 all your location up somewhere. 2125 02:05:44,850 --> 02:05:46,860 John C. Dvorak: It doesn't do anything. Yes, it does. It's 2126 02:05:46,860 --> 02:05:54,240 been proven. If I turn it on when to make a call. Oh, you're 2127 02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:56,760 sure he could send whatever it wants at the point I'm begging 2128 02:05:56,760 --> 02:06:00,810 the call for maybe they'll send it a triple A truck over. And 2129 02:06:00,810 --> 02:06:03,600 then I turn it off again. I don't need less or run a hot 2130 02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:08,130 phone is beeping away in my pocket and the radiator on nuts, 2131 02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:08,640 John, 2132 02:06:09,300 --> 02:06:11,430 Adam Curry: unless you physically remove the battery, 2133 02:06:11,610 --> 02:06:12,960 your phone's not off. 2134 02:06:13,710 --> 02:06:18,420 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well. This old dog I'm pretty sure it is. 2135 02:06:19,230 --> 02:06:22,050 Unknown: I'm going to show my school by donating to no agenda. 2136 02:06:22,110 --> 02:06:25,260 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun. 2137 02:06:32,460 --> 02:06:35,100 John C. Dvorak: We do have a few people to thank for today's show 2138 02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:41,340 deliver 50 Starting with Patrick Weingard who's in Zeeland, 2139 02:06:41,490 --> 02:06:45,900 Michigan. $119. And he wants to he's going to be wishing his 2140 02:06:45,900 --> 02:06:51,450 beautiful wife Jubilee. A happy birthday. Very nice. Maple 2141 02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:54,060 111 11 Nisa de douching. 2142 02:06:56,670 --> 02:06:57,810 Adam Curry: De deuced. 2143 02:07:00,330 --> 02:07:06,150 John C. Dvorak: Sure, hey, Musa $100. Parts Unknown. Sir Anthony 2144 02:07:06,150 --> 02:07:10,950 of Philadelphia in Philadelphia. You got some pronunciation 2145 02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:16,500 things for me. $100. He says, Pronunciation Guide. shul kill 2146 02:07:16,500 --> 02:07:22,620 is school Cole. Ah, I don't know that. I'll never get that right. 2147 02:07:22,830 --> 02:07:27,120 I don't know how many people we have from school call. But we 2148 02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:31,290 should have more. We can have more and I can say school. Cool. 2149 02:07:31,290 --> 02:07:35,790 I'm gonna have to put a sheet up on the wall. And then pass 2150 02:07:35,790 --> 02:07:43,260 youngest pause Shunk for sure. P A. S. Yun K is PA Shunk. And by 2151 02:07:43,260 --> 02:07:46,530 the way, I will read these pronunciation gaz gazzard tears, 2152 02:07:46,830 --> 02:07:49,260 if you want to provide them to me and it's always interesting 2153 02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:53,160 to the public at large, because Skou call is not something I 2154 02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:55,980 would normally pronounce correctly. Now Odin who knew who 2155 02:07:55,980 --> 02:07:57,870 would? It's very 2156 02:07:57,870 --> 02:07:58,650 Adam Curry: educational. 2157 02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:03,000 John C. Dvorak: But I can't pronounce Paul up in Washington 2158 02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:12,090 State and why Yreka in La Jolla. Bill Johnson $72. He's from 2159 02:08:12,090 --> 02:08:15,030 travel calm. We'll put that at the end for you. Gordon Gibson 2160 02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:22,110 in Dallas, Texas. 6969. Any possibility getting an analog 2161 02:08:22,110 --> 02:08:25,320 synthesizer D douching. He needs a dilution we can do that. 2162 02:08:25,500 --> 02:08:28,140 Adam Curry: I don't know about an analog. Do we have that? 2163 02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:29,550 John C. Dvorak: I don't know what he's talking about. 2164 02:08:31,290 --> 02:08:33,120 You've been de deuced 2165 02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:35,460 Adam Curry: you gotta help me out. I have no idea. I 2166 02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:37,890 John C. Dvorak: don't know. Cory Bennett and Herculis. California 2167 02:08:37,890 --> 02:08:45,180 $69.33. He's got a birthday call for somebody needs a smokin hot 2168 02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:52,860 girlfriend, Ms. Kim. All right. Ian Abbott in Winnipeg, 2169 02:08:52,890 --> 02:08:59,610 Manitoba. 61st time Darren he needs a deed usually a lot of 2170 02:08:59,610 --> 02:09:00,030 first time. 2171 02:09:02,070 --> 02:09:03,540 bad deed deuced. 2172 02:09:05,820 --> 02:09:09,450 He needs some he's got some requests. We'll give him a Karma 2173 02:09:09,450 --> 02:09:10,980 at the end gave 2174 02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:14,820 Adam Curry: him a shot. Also for the for the new donors for the 2175 02:09:14,820 --> 02:09:19,620 new timers due to brevity and just reasons of length and we 2176 02:09:19,620 --> 02:09:22,920 want to still do a show. And although these these segments 2177 02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:25,950 are often entertaining and informative, we really only 2178 02:09:25,950 --> 02:09:29,880 promised to read full notes from Associate Executive producers 2179 02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:33,270 and executive producers. We pick stuff up from time to time in 2180 02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:37,380 the in the lower regions. But no, it's not always that easy. 2181 02:09:37,380 --> 02:09:38,880 So we just kind of moved through it. 2182 02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:41,370 John C. Dvorak: I didn't pick up this from his note. Don, if you 2183 02:09:41,370 --> 02:09:44,010 have your pen I would put this in the list because it got 2184 02:09:44,010 --> 02:09:50,040 missed. Okay, birthday shout out to his father grant. 6060 At 2185 02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:50,820 last Tuesday. 2186 02:09:51,330 --> 02:09:53,250 Adam Curry: I think he's on the list actually. 2187 02:09:53,940 --> 02:09:56,010 John C. Dvorak: Well, it should be in yellow. It is in yellow. 2188 02:09:57,060 --> 02:10:02,190 It is Yep. We'll do it. gives it the same yellow as Kim Thompson. 2189 02:10:02,190 --> 02:10:02,430 No 2190 02:10:02,430 --> 02:10:04,950 Adam Curry: it's not it seems to be a lighter shade of yellow. 2191 02:10:05,370 --> 02:10:08,010 John C. Dvorak: Wonder what the point of that is? En at Ian 2192 02:10:08,010 --> 02:10:11,940 Abbott and Winnipeg Okay, we just did him gave it a shot 2193 02:10:11,970 --> 02:10:15,480 Bazian in San Francisco, California 60 2194 02:10:15,510 --> 02:10:17,670 Adam Curry: And he's a relative in the hospital karma will do 2195 02:10:17,670 --> 02:10:18,240 that for you. 2196 02:10:18,990 --> 02:10:22,560 John C. Dvorak: Kim Thompson in Thornton, Colorado. 53 another 2197 02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,980 birthday co What is this birthday day? We had none the 2198 02:10:25,980 --> 02:10:27,660 other day now we have one after the other. 2199 02:10:27,690 --> 02:10:35,910 Adam Curry: It's a baby boom. Eric oh wait, so hold on. This 2200 02:10:35,910 --> 02:10:39,450 is Kim happy with my husband Patrick July 5. And no the 2201 02:10:39,450 --> 02:10:42,210 fireworks aren't just for your birthday. Please deduce him as 2202 02:10:42,210 --> 02:10:44,820 he's listened to your show for years still hasn't contributed 2203 02:10:44,910 --> 02:10:49,530 so his wife of 25 plus years is doing it. 2204 02:10:50,730 --> 02:10:52,830 John C. Dvorak: How did the having him deduce that's not 2205 02:10:52,830 --> 02:10:54,720 actually the kosher? 2206 02:10:55,110 --> 02:10:58,410 Adam Curry: Happy Birthday T bone from your lunch lady wife 2207 02:10:58,410 --> 02:11:01,710 now I'm going to do it. That's a great donate. You've been D 2208 02:11:01,710 --> 02:11:05,580 juiced 25 years and they never had a fight. 2209 02:11:07,530 --> 02:11:12,450 John C. Dvorak: Okay, got Eric wrinkles in Brielle. 5150 my 2210 02:11:12,450 --> 02:11:12,750 first 2211 02:11:12,750 --> 02:11:16,230 Adam Curry: donation to the best podcast in the universe. He 2212 02:11:16,230 --> 02:11:23,520 doesn't ask for it. But I think he deserved it. I'm in a D 2213 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:25,050 douching mood today. 2214 02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:29,250 John C. Dvorak: Rich sembalun Hillsboro North Carolina he has 2215 02:11:29,250 --> 02:11:35,280 an EN a note I want to read wrote something in there was a 2216 02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:40,380 couple of things that came I got my hat. What hat from Amazon? 2217 02:11:40,410 --> 02:11:41,310 Adam Curry: What hat is this? 2218 02:11:42,660 --> 02:11:45,270 John C. Dvorak: This was Oh yeah, I think we put this on 2219 02:11:45,270 --> 02:11:50,190 there's Father's Day donation from Samuel and he much there 2220 02:11:50,190 --> 02:11:52,830 but I did get some other stuff I get I'll get to it. I think it's 2221 02:11:52,830 --> 02:11:56,790 gonna be in this list. But I did get my hat my make Keep America 2222 02:11:56,790 --> 02:12:01,020 Great hat. And it came with a little thing inside a little 2223 02:12:01,050 --> 02:12:06,300 note from Amazon as a gift for you. JC DKGM wG and that's about 2224 02:12:06,300 --> 02:12:09,600 it. That's it. i Yeah. So I don't know who's just whoever 2225 02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:12,810 sent they had? I think they mentioned in a couple of notes 2226 02:12:12,810 --> 02:12:24,930 ago. Last show. Karl Schneider $51. Patrick hmm, by biz, Kirk, 2227 02:12:25,140 --> 02:12:29,550 I think, well, that's a Dutch name. So it'd be it'd be, you 2228 02:12:29,550 --> 02:12:30,480 can do like Kirk 2229 02:12:31,260 --> 02:12:36,150 Adam Curry: Bacchic by Carrick, which is the it's the it's kind 2230 02:12:36,150 --> 02:12:37,800 of the church next door. 2231 02:12:39,390 --> 02:12:45,300 John C. Dvorak: By Kim, I think 51. I also am a bloomer from 2232 02:12:45,300 --> 02:12:47,730 Pittsburgh, and she sent a note and that's the one I wanted to 2233 02:12:47,730 --> 02:12:50,880 look at. She sent a nice little note and closes the late gift 2234 02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:53,850 from the Pittsburgh meet up. Hopefully there was some 2235 02:12:53,850 --> 02:13:01,500 cookies. And then she sent his note in. She sent his book a 2236 02:13:01,500 --> 02:13:04,200 small little book and I'm thinking I've got this book and 2237 02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:06,960 it's a book of was not a lot in here. There's quite a bit 2238 02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:12,570 actually. It's a little one of these mole skein books with a 2239 02:13:12,570 --> 02:13:15,600 rubber band. And it's got notes from the meat that people wrote 2240 02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:20,640 into the book. Thanks for saying Washington like we do. Oh, how 2241 02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:21,690 Adam Curry: cute is that? 2242 02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:24,360 John C. Dvorak: If Jen Jen Stockdale wrote a little note. 2243 02:13:24,690 --> 02:13:28,170 Ryan Rolo. No, Bob Ryan Joel. Ah, 2244 02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:29,820 Adam Curry: yeah, I'm supposed to have one of these two. I 2245 02:13:29,820 --> 02:13:33,600 think I never heard this. Yeah, I think there was two notebooks 2246 02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:36,120 and they sent one to me as well, which I haven't received. 2247 02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:38,430 John C. Dvorak: But maybe because it just says Hi, John. 2248 02:13:38,430 --> 02:13:39,240 Hi, John. Yeah, 2249 02:13:39,300 --> 02:13:40,710 Adam Curry: I think they sent mine to the PIO 2250 02:13:40,710 --> 02:13:44,580 John C. Dvorak: box left to go take Ryan It's middle. Oh, my 2251 02:13:44,580 --> 02:13:49,950 last name is Mitt Lo. Love to show. Hate the pronunciation of 2252 02:13:49,950 --> 02:13:55,680 my name. JC de they're elusive swollen. Amy's mcneilus Are 2253 02:13:56,760 --> 02:14:00,000 there less swollen amygdalas here. Sorry for the bad 2254 02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:04,890 penmanship drunk something so Fahrenheit was there? Sure. Ryan 2255 02:14:04,890 --> 02:14:08,820 J. Brady night of the Three Rivers is there. So I'm thinking 2256 02:14:08,820 --> 02:14:12,750 well, maybe it goes on as a couple more. There's quite a few 2257 02:14:12,750 --> 02:14:14,220 of them. I wrote a note dealt with 2258 02:14:14,220 --> 02:14:15,900 Adam Curry: it was a good meetup. I know it was a it was a 2259 02:14:15,900 --> 02:14:16,620 great meet out. 2260 02:14:17,010 --> 02:14:18,780 John C. Dvorak: I'm thinking we should have we should start 2261 02:14:18,780 --> 02:14:22,080 doing this ourselves. You and I are have one of these notebooks 2262 02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,120 like this one. When you get yours. You do the same thing. 2263 02:14:24,180 --> 02:14:27,570 Just keep this notebook try not to lose it and bring it to 2264 02:14:27,570 --> 02:14:29,580 future meetups and just pass it around. 2265 02:14:30,030 --> 02:14:33,210 Adam Curry: Or I kind of like the idea of having a notebook 2266 02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:37,320 per meet up like a scrap but we can be scrapbookers 2267 02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:41,580 John C. Dvorak: tinctures mole skein thing has got like maybe 2268 02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:44,520 300 pages in it. There's like six pages of notes. So it's like 2269 02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:50,610 a wasted little book. One notebook per meet up. Okay. I 2270 02:14:50,610 --> 02:14:52,770 don't know. Maybe we should just be online. We should just give 2271 02:14:52,770 --> 02:14:53,460 up on the idea. 2272 02:14:54,210 --> 02:14:56,430 Adam Curry: I like the physical product though. It'll stay 2273 02:14:56,430 --> 02:14:59,490 around for a long time. 100 years from manpage 2274 02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:02,250 John C. Dvorak: is Nick Stand the list of $50.50 Then we go to 2275 02:15:02,250 --> 02:15:06,900 Scott Scott Nelson in Melbourne, Florida. $50.01 He always wants 2276 02:15:06,900 --> 02:15:10,530 to be up there like that. And now $50 donors name and location 2277 02:15:10,530 --> 02:15:16,590 if applicable. Hey Soos Allen in Austin, Texas is that Joe Winky 2278 02:15:16,590 --> 02:15:20,670 in Santa Rosa Maxine Waters gravels back Jo banjo band 2279 02:15:20,670 --> 02:15:23,100 forget to travel with your gravel toodles 2280 02:15:24,660 --> 02:15:26,250 Adam Curry: toodles Maxine Waters gravel. 2281 02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:33,660 John C. Dvorak: Jeffrey's Zellen in Oakland, Michigan, Jan OSA 2282 02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:38,310 fears of Cepheus in OSA theists in the Learn. 2283 02:15:38,430 --> 02:15:44,280 Adam Curry: Yeah, this is not I think it may young. I don't 2284 02:15:44,280 --> 02:15:48,330 think this is his right. His correct last name. But I think 2285 02:15:48,330 --> 02:15:52,740 the AI in the UAE will be Oh surpass. I don't know, John in 2286 02:15:52,740 --> 02:15:55,710 most foreign. Okay. Send me a note. Yeah, let me see if I can 2287 02:15:55,710 --> 02:15:56,400 get your name right. 2288 02:15:57,330 --> 02:16:01,860 John C. Dvorak: Peter Sir Peter tau tays and Sugarland, Texas, a 2289 02:16:01,860 --> 02:16:06,000 Julian Robertson. Aptos. California, Charles E. US Parts 2290 02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:08,880 Unknown Richard Gardner who is in New York, but he's wondering, 2291 02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:15,720 Sir Richard, Darren Denecke Denic with the next dinette, 2292 02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:21,750 Gurwitz There you go. In Dubai. We need to report. Take photos, 2293 02:16:22,410 --> 02:16:25,800 Mitchell Kaufman and Hillsboro, Oregon. And last but not least, 2294 02:16:25,860 --> 02:16:30,870 Annie briglia a great show on Sunday. She says, Oh, I had just 2295 02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:34,920 had to donate. I had to donate. Yes, you did. Annie. And she 2296 02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:39,540 did. She did donate. She's our last producer that listed on 2297 02:16:39,540 --> 02:16:43,020 show 1150 We did have other people obviously it came in with 2298 02:16:43,050 --> 02:16:46,020 under amounts but want to thank these folks for making this show 2299 02:16:46,020 --> 02:16:46,470 happen. 2300 02:16:46,500 --> 02:16:49,590 Adam Curry: Yes. And everyone who came in under $50 on our 2301 02:16:49,590 --> 02:16:53,880 subscriptions. This is very, very helpful to the show. But 2302 02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:57,000 again, it always stands the general idea of value for value 2303 02:16:57,000 --> 02:17:00,330 is you listen to this. Did you get anything valuable from it? 2304 02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:03,780 How much was it worth to you? You make the determination. And 2305 02:17:03,780 --> 02:17:06,120 we've been doing this for 11 years and we'll still here it's 2306 02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:09,810 called podcast justice. That's what it's all about. Thank you 2307 02:17:09,810 --> 02:17:12,510 so much. And remember we have another show on Sunday. 2308 02:17:12,540 --> 02:17:15,510 Unknown: for.org/and 2309 02:17:15,570 --> 02:17:18,150 Adam Curry: a lots of different Karmis to do here. 2310 02:17:18,180 --> 02:17:22,530 John C. Dvorak: Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs Let's vote. 2311 02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,220 Adam Curry: Right John and his coin a birthday list for today. 2312 02:17:41,220 --> 02:17:45,090 Now the longest we've had but this is the 27th of June 2019. 2313 02:17:45,090 --> 02:17:48,090 Rich Cemal celebrated on the 24th we say happy birthday to 2314 02:17:48,090 --> 02:17:51,180 him. Patrick Weingard Happy Birthday to his beautiful wife 2315 02:17:51,210 --> 02:17:54,630 jubilees Cory Bennett Happy Birthday to a smokin hot 2316 02:17:54,630 --> 02:17:57,660 girlfriend Miss Kim E and Abbott. Happy birthday to his 2317 02:17:57,660 --> 02:18:03,360 dad Grant, who turned 60 on June 25. And Kim Thompson says Happy 2318 02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:06,780 Birthday to her husband T bone Sir Patrick. We'll be 2319 02:18:06,780 --> 02:18:09,360 celebrating on July 5 Happy birthday to everybody here the 2320 02:18:09,360 --> 02:18:15,180 best podcast in the universe. We have the meetups. Oh, I need to 2321 02:18:15,180 --> 02:18:19,170 get that meetup jingle in the right knighting while I'm doing 2322 02:18:19,170 --> 02:18:22,830 meetups first, oh, if you want to run the show you get to 2323 02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:30,840 determine how it goes. Like to mix it up a little bit. save the 2324 02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:35,910 best for last meetups for you today in southeast London. 2325 02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:40,170 They're probably hanging out there as we speak. Hello slaves 2326 02:18:40,710 --> 02:18:44,580 tomorrow in Salem, Oregon, June 29. We have to South Florida and 2327 02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:49,140 Linden, Michigan, so that's a new entrant. July 4, Seattle and 2328 02:18:49,170 --> 02:18:52,500 Washington DC to meet ups. We're really kicking ass with these 2329 02:18:52,500 --> 02:18:55,830 meetups everywhere. July 6 and Utrecht in the Netherlands 2330 02:18:55,830 --> 02:19:00,420 Knoxville, Tennessee July 9. Charleston. I want to is it. I 2331 02:19:00,420 --> 02:19:02,880 don't know if it's one of the Carolinas I need to that's not 2332 02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:06,600 helpful. I need to talk to the back office. That's July 11, and 2333 02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,180 Charleston. We'll find out which Charleston July 13 Atlanta 2334 02:19:09,180 --> 02:19:13,530 Georgia, July 19. Colorado Springs Colorado. The 20th. 2335 02:19:13,530 --> 02:19:18,960 southwest London kicks in July 26. St. Louis Missouri July 27, 2336 02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:22,740 Buffalo New York and Frisco Texas and on the 20 the 27th we 2337 02:19:22,740 --> 02:19:26,130 have Frisco Texas. So we have added Buffalo New York to that 2338 02:19:26,130 --> 02:19:31,440 list. Go find a the meetup near you at no agenda. meetup.com If 2339 02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:34,890 you don't have one, you can make one you can set one up and we'll 2340 02:19:34,890 --> 02:19:37,500 help you we'll give you support. Of course the website is 2341 02:19:37,500 --> 02:19:42,180 fantastic. And and John, can people get E mailings out if 2342 02:19:42,180 --> 02:19:44,160 necessary? Or how are you handling that? 2343 02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:47,520 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, depends depends if you have a big meetup 2344 02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:49,620 coming up, we can do a special mailing for you in a little 2345 02:19:49,620 --> 02:19:51,870 localized area within 150 miles. 2346 02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:55,770 Adam Curry: Okay, so, and all of that information, no agenda 2347 02:19:55,770 --> 02:19:59,700 meetups.com And thank all of you for your courage. Now we've got 2348 02:19:59,700 --> 02:20:03,720 our two Whoo nice things we have anonymous and Keith Gibson. I 2349 02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:08,340 need a sword. Here you go, though the long blade very nice 2350 02:20:08,340 --> 02:20:13,350 mine perfect. So anonymous. And Keith gets both you step up to 2351 02:20:13,350 --> 02:20:16,110 the podium please because it is time for you to join that 2352 02:20:16,110 --> 02:20:18,840 illustrious group. It is the no agenda Knights and Dames at the 2353 02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:21,690 round table. Thanks for your support of the show in the 2354 02:20:21,690 --> 02:20:24,720 amount of $1,000 or more I'm very proud to pronounce to Kate 2355 02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:30,060 V. Sir kick up the spring. And Sir Viking of the Pacific 2356 02:20:30,060 --> 02:20:33,720 Northwest gentlemen, for you. We have hookers and blow rent boys 2357 02:20:33,720 --> 02:20:38,790 and Chardonnay cider and spit it we've got zucchini and meatloaf, 2358 02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:42,270 bourbon and bong rips, we got harlots and Halibel pepperoni 2359 02:20:42,270 --> 02:20:45,960 rolls and pale ales, bong hits and burden, geishas and sakeI 2360 02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:49,320 mutton and Mead is the last one, put breast milk and pablum can 2361 02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:52,860 work for you our sparkling cider and escort please take this, 2362 02:20:53,460 --> 02:20:58,290 this coveted status and go to no agenda nation.com/rings That's 2363 02:20:58,290 --> 02:21:02,280 where you can input all of your info. So Eric, the show can get 2364 02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:05,970 your signet ring. It's a beautiful, no agenda in the 2365 02:21:05,970 --> 02:21:10,650 morning ring, a mirror script so you can use the included sealing 2366 02:21:10,650 --> 02:21:14,970 wax to seal your letters of importance, but also to leave a 2367 02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:18,900 lasting impression of those you hit in the mouth. And thank you 2368 02:21:18,900 --> 02:21:26,430 again for all the support dvorak.org/and A beautiful, 2369 02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:26,970 thank you. 2370 02:21:28,770 --> 02:21:30,690 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, we got a couple Oh, this is big news. 2371 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:34,560 Finally one state finally had the gall will replay this. 2372 02:21:34,770 --> 02:21:37,710 Marijuana is now legalized in Illinois. 2373 02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:41,550 Unknown: Back in the US Illinois has become the 11th state to 2374 02:21:41,550 --> 02:21:45,450 legalize recreational marijuana. After Democratic governor JB 2375 02:21:45,450 --> 02:21:48,930 Pritzker signed a bill Tuesday allowing for the possession and 2376 02:21:48,930 --> 02:21:52,320 purchase of small amounts of the drug. The legislation will 2377 02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:55,500 pardon anyone with a nonviolent marijuana conviction under 30 2378 02:21:55,500 --> 02:21:59,130 grams. Individuals can petition the court to vacate convictions 2379 02:21:59,130 --> 02:22:03,900 that exceed 30 grams, nearly 800,000 marijuana related cases 2380 02:22:04,020 --> 02:22:08,130 could be expunged thanks to the new law. The bill also sets up a 2381 02:22:08,130 --> 02:22:11,850 program to invest in communities most affected by the war on 2382 02:22:11,850 --> 02:22:15,330 drugs. Illinois is the first state to both legalize marijuana 2383 02:22:15,330 --> 02:22:18,570 and set up a marketplace through the state legislature. The law 2384 02:22:18,570 --> 02:22:21,510 will go into effect on the first day of 2020. 2385 02:22:22,110 --> 02:22:24,450 John C. Dvorak: No, congratulations. Couple of 2386 02:22:24,450 --> 02:22:31,980 things. One 800,000 People in you know, got arrested or busted 2387 02:22:31,980 --> 02:22:35,310 for pot. That's a lot. But the second thing was this is the 2388 02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:38,730 only state that did it through the legislature. They didn't 2389 02:22:38,730 --> 02:22:42,030 even have a public vote. Oh, we got a yes or no on this 2390 02:22:42,030 --> 02:22:45,270 proposition or whatever. Now there's just a legislature. 2391 02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:49,110 Okay, well, let's jump on board. We're broke. Let's maybe some 2392 02:22:49,110 --> 02:22:52,620 tax monies here we can collect. We're legalizing it starting on 2393 02:22:52,620 --> 02:22:56,580 the first of January and 2020. I thought that was commendable 2394 02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:59,940 Adam Curry: now. Oh, that is interesting. Do you right. I 2395 02:22:59,940 --> 02:23:03,630 don't think it's ever. Yeah. It hasn't gone through legislature 2396 02:23:03,630 --> 02:23:04,800 anywhere. And I guess not. 2397 02:23:04,980 --> 02:23:08,250 John C. Dvorak: No, it's always been a public vote. Good. I knew 2398 02:23:08,850 --> 02:23:11,580 what the public wanted. Yeah. And then of course, nobody 2399 02:23:11,580 --> 02:23:13,650 mentioned this on the mainstream media. Well, why 2400 02:23:13,650 --> 02:23:16,050 Adam Curry: would we do that? We got to sell Big Pharma, not this 2401 02:23:16,050 --> 02:23:19,590 grow it yourself stuff. We can't have people we can't have people 2402 02:23:19,650 --> 02:23:22,530 using actual medicine that works. That's no good. 2403 02:23:25,260 --> 02:23:27,360 John C. Dvorak: So I mean, well, of course they've banned the E 2404 02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:30,480 cigs in San Francisco. I did have finally got a report on it 2405 02:23:30,570 --> 02:23:32,640 is sales. Sales. 2406 02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,740 Unknown: Alright, here we go. San Francisco is set to become 2407 02:23:34,740 --> 02:23:38,070 the first US city to ban the sale of E cigarettes. City 2408 02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:41,370 officials unanimously voted in favor of the ban Tuesday and 2409 02:23:41,370 --> 02:23:44,910 Mayor London breed has indicated she'll sign off on it. The ban 2410 02:23:44,910 --> 02:23:48,720 also applies to flavored tobacco products. proponents of the bill 2411 02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,840 say e cigarettes have not been properly assessed by the Food 2412 02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:54,840 and Drug Administration for safety. The spread of vaping 2413 02:23:54,840 --> 02:23:57,600 among young people in recent years has raised concerns about 2414 02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:00,660 the long term health effects of the products. Opponents of the 2415 02:24:00,660 --> 02:24:03,300 bill say the ban could cause people to turn back to 2416 02:24:03,300 --> 02:24:07,050 conventional cigarettes. Jul the most popular producer of E 2417 02:24:07,050 --> 02:24:09,750 cigarettes is headquartered in San Francisco. 2418 02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:13,560 Adam Curry: Yeah, so I don't know exactly what's going on 2419 02:24:13,560 --> 02:24:16,320 with this but to me, it seems like this is the way you shore 2420 02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:20,010 up the official the official product and official maker of 2421 02:24:20,010 --> 02:24:22,410 the product and cut out everybody else who built the 2422 02:24:22,410 --> 02:24:25,920 entire industry. That's what this is about. In my opinion 2423 02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:28,350 could be not what do you mean it could be you got 2424 02:24:28,740 --> 02:24:30,450 John C. Dvorak: where they stopped all sales of everything 2425 02:24:30,450 --> 02:24:32,130 including the jewel product 2426 02:24:32,130 --> 02:24:35,250 Adam Curry: Yeah, but only briefly so that they can get the 2427 02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:39,600 you know, so jewel can fund the research. That's how it works 2428 02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:44,250 with the FDA and they bought the company the the the owners of 2429 02:24:44,250 --> 02:24:49,260 Marlboro bought jewel for was it seven or $8 billion was some 2430 02:24:49,260 --> 02:24:52,740 crazy amount of money. They want to be the rulers they want to 2431 02:24:52,740 --> 02:24:58,140 set the the agenda for the entire United States and they 2432 02:24:58,140 --> 02:25:02,910 are the going to do this by by screwing everybody over the 2433 02:25:02,910 --> 02:25:05,970 people who built the industry Yeah, and 2434 02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,670 John C. Dvorak: then it is a shocker to you shocked? 2435 02:25:08,730 --> 02:25:11,940 Adam Curry: No, but I'm just telling you what it is it's I'm 2436 02:25:11,940 --> 02:25:16,620 not shocked I'm I hate this I hate to this would this was a 2437 02:25:16,620 --> 02:25:19,650 great business you hate big business I do kinda. I hate big 2438 02:25:19,650 --> 02:25:22,260 business with entwined with government, which is what we're 2439 02:25:22,260 --> 02:25:24,960 talking here. Ah, that's what I hate. 2440 02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:26,760 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, that's called corporatism. 2441 02:25:26,790 --> 02:25:29,640 Adam Curry: Yeah that's also called fascism. Fascism would be 2442 02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:33,120 the better better term. Yeah, that's exactly a shut up slave. 2443 02:25:33,300 --> 02:25:35,880 You will smoke what we tell you to smoke. Don't make your don't 2444 02:25:35,880 --> 02:25:43,680 make your own e juice Shut up. Tyranny juice. Speaking of e 2445 02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,980 juice in Austin Pride Month continues sistance Pride 2446 02:25:46,980 --> 02:25:49,200 Unknown: Week celebrations are in full swing right now 2447 02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:53,310 celebrating the LGBTQ community and now one nine year old is 2448 02:25:53,310 --> 02:25:57,090 living near Austin, performing as a drag queen to promote 2449 02:25:57,090 --> 02:26:02,460 inclusiveness. Keegan performs in drag as Queen Kiki, a third 2450 02:26:02,460 --> 02:26:04,800 grade teacher asked her class what they wanted to be when they 2451 02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:08,370 grow up. Keegan wrote in his memory book gender creative. 2452 02:26:08,670 --> 02:26:10,920 Keegan says that he can be himself when he's wearing a 2453 02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:13,620 dress. He also has a message for anyone struggling with their 2454 02:26:13,620 --> 02:26:14,370 identity. 2455 02:26:15,150 --> 02:26:19,470 I want the world to know that you can be special and you can 2456 02:26:19,470 --> 02:26:24,300 be who you want to be. You can be a vegetarian. You can even be 2457 02:26:24,750 --> 02:26:29,460 a veterinary. You can be LGBTQ, easily, Jacqueline jerky. 2458 02:26:30,660 --> 02:26:33,900 Now Kagan usually goes by the pronouns he and his his family 2459 02:26:33,900 --> 02:26:37,020 says that Keegan has acceptance and support at their school in 2460 02:26:37,020 --> 02:26:40,140 their conservative Christian town outside of Austin. 2461 02:26:40,380 --> 02:26:45,810 Adam Curry: Arrest these parents right now. Your memory book. I 2462 02:26:45,810 --> 02:26:49,620 mean, the story was okay. until you hear the kid talk. And then 2463 02:26:49,620 --> 02:26:52,500 you hear the programming. You can be whatever you want to be a 2464 02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:53,700 veterinarian. 2465 02:26:54,900 --> 02:26:56,880 John C. Dvorak: I'm surprised he wasn't all in for some global 2466 02:26:56,880 --> 02:26:59,520 warming stuff. He was programmed. Some of his bragging 2467 02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:03,720 about we busted the you know, the school that Gore put 2468 02:27:03,720 --> 02:27:07,260 together to propagandize poor 11 year olds whose brains not even 2469 02:27:07,260 --> 02:27:12,480 working right? in any real way. And then Kristen, I ran into one 2470 02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:15,900 where the right wingers are doing the same thing. So you 2471 02:27:15,960 --> 02:27:19,410 feel like you get a hold these kids and then brainwash them 2472 02:27:19,410 --> 02:27:22,710 maybe at an early age, it's really deplorable. 2473 02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:27,930 Adam Curry: i Yes. And you know, there's it's just the industry 2474 02:27:28,260 --> 02:27:33,210 the the, the transformation industry, perhaps we should call 2475 02:27:33,210 --> 02:27:38,190 it is there's dangers to it. Now, especially with kids with 2476 02:27:38,190 --> 02:27:39,180 young kids, especially when 2477 02:27:39,180 --> 02:27:41,100 John C. Dvorak: you start screwing with their hormones. 2478 02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:41,370 Yeah, 2479 02:27:41,430 --> 02:27:44,880 Adam Curry: that's that's where I think we need to draw the line 2480 02:27:46,020 --> 02:27:50,040 but middle and they're gonna do whatever they want. I'm just 2481 02:27:50,040 --> 02:27:51,000 saying arrest them. 2482 02:27:53,130 --> 02:27:56,250 John C. Dvorak: There'll be some words do attach the word justice 2483 02:27:56,670 --> 02:27:58,560 to one of these situations in the 2484 02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:00,780 Adam Curry: gender justice. Well, let's let's work on next 2485 02:28:00,780 --> 02:28:01,440 year just 2486 02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:04,680 John C. Dvorak: is a good one. Gender Justice. Bingo. Gender 2487 02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:05,310 Justice. 2488 02:28:05,310 --> 02:28:06,240 Adam Curry: Yeah, I think so. 2489 02:28:06,480 --> 02:28:09,510 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Were you writing writing it down to 2490 02:28:09,540 --> 02:28:15,900 Adam Curry: gender justice? So we have a podcast justice. It's 2491 02:28:15,930 --> 02:28:18,360 I like the alliteration of gender justice, though. That's 2492 02:28:18,360 --> 02:28:19,050 kind of cool. 2493 02:28:21,090 --> 02:28:24,960 John C. Dvorak: Podcast justice, which is an artificial 2494 02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:27,990 construct, but I think gender justice has legs. 2495 02:28:28,410 --> 02:28:29,670 Adam Curry: We could run with it. 2496 02:28:32,460 --> 02:28:34,770 John C. Dvorak: Well, that has legs you usually run with or 2497 02:28:34,770 --> 02:28:35,040 maybe 2498 02:28:36,180 --> 02:28:39,150 Adam Curry: I'll do some more Austin news since Yeah, we're so 2499 02:28:39,150 --> 02:28:41,220 decadent. Here. We don't give a crap. Seems 2500 02:28:41,220 --> 02:28:43,560 like there's a new company every day. Well, maybe 2501 02:28:43,560 --> 02:28:46,470 John C. Dvorak: not every day, but the competition is 2502 02:28:46,470 --> 02:28:47,460 definitely heating 2503 02:28:47,460 --> 02:28:51,270 up. Austin's a great choice to expand our services. And I'm 2504 02:28:51,270 --> 02:28:52,230 really excited to be here. 2505 02:28:52,290 --> 02:28:55,080 Adam Curry: Skip is the latest company to bring two wheels to 2506 02:28:55,080 --> 02:28:58,650 the city. It will bring 500 More by Friday, 2507 02:28:59,190 --> 02:29:02,220 Unknown: hard with with Austin and the city council to ensure 2508 02:29:02,220 --> 02:29:05,850 that we'll be operating as a partnership rather than just as 2509 02:29:05,850 --> 02:29:08,550 a group coming in and dropping scooters off 2510 02:29:08,610 --> 02:29:10,740 John C. Dvorak: that will total eight companies with wheels on 2511 02:29:10,740 --> 02:29:12,660 the ground with two more on the way 2512 02:29:12,810 --> 02:29:15,090 Unknown: they want to continue operating here and have been 2513 02:29:15,210 --> 02:29:16,590 really responsive. Yep, 2514 02:29:16,620 --> 02:29:18,930 Adam Curry: yeah, heard that right. In addition to skip 2515 02:29:18,990 --> 02:29:22,290 transportation companies, razor and wind mobility have also been 2516 02:29:22,290 --> 02:29:25,260 approved to launch in Austin. When they do come that'll add 2517 02:29:25,260 --> 02:29:29,550 700 More scooters to the market. Remember Kathie tovo promises 2518 02:29:29,550 --> 02:29:31,110 that's it? For now 2519 02:29:31,140 --> 02:29:33,810 Unknown: got isn't as many as we need for this market. The fact 2520 02:29:33,810 --> 02:29:36,840 of the matter is people have really enjoyed the ride so far. 2521 02:29:36,840 --> 02:29:40,620 Yep. City data shows Austinites have taken over 4 million 2522 02:29:40,620 --> 02:29:43,350 scooter trips since the initiative launched last year 2523 02:29:43,380 --> 02:29:46,680 while tovo says she hears your concerns she still thinks 2524 02:29:46,710 --> 02:29:48,480 there's room to grow over time 2525 02:29:48,480 --> 02:29:51,180 that will probably balance out as we really get a sense of what 2526 02:29:51,180 --> 02:29:52,170 our market can bear. 2527 02:29:53,400 --> 02:29:56,220 Adam Curry: This is a council This is a council member talking 2528 02:29:56,220 --> 02:29:59,220 like a tech executive. Mee Mee Mee Yeah, woman. Yeah, she's 2529 02:29:59,220 --> 02:30:01,410 talking to a member She's talking like a tech executive, 2530 02:30:01,470 --> 02:30:03,780 we'll see what the market can be anything you need your 2531 02:30:03,780 --> 02:30:06,420 concerns she she'll think there's room to grow 2532 02:30:06,510 --> 02:30:08,910 Unknown: over time that will probably balance out as we 2533 02:30:08,910 --> 02:30:10,950 really get a sense of what our market can bear. 2534 02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:13,830 Austin City Council is currently working with the companies to 2535 02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:17,790 find a way to limit the speed and usage of the scooters. In 2536 02:30:17,790 --> 02:30:21,030 certain sections of the city. It's a term called geofencing. 2537 02:30:21,060 --> 02:30:23,970 It's already being used at the UT campus. And at this point, 2538 02:30:23,970 --> 02:30:27,270 that technology isn't yet developed to be implemented 2539 02:30:27,300 --> 02:30:28,620 elsewhere around town. 2540 02:30:31,800 --> 02:30:34,380 Adam Curry: So I actually I'm, I'm sad. I haven't played that 2541 02:30:34,380 --> 02:30:37,290 because I have something much more important to discuss. There 2542 02:30:37,290 --> 02:30:42,750 were two bills that passed for the border. What do we call it? 2543 02:30:42,780 --> 02:30:48,840 Border, service, help emergency etc. One in the house, then one 2544 02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:52,920 in Senate. The one in the house was voted down by the Senate. 2545 02:30:53,400 --> 02:30:56,370 Now the Senate took that had some amendments and some 2546 02:30:56,370 --> 02:30:57,900 changes. And 2547 02:30:58,320 --> 02:31:00,660 John C. Dvorak: it looks like this Senate or the Texas US 2548 02:31:00,660 --> 02:31:00,930 Senate 2549 02:31:00,930 --> 02:31:03,030 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, US House of Representatives. This all 2550 02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:06,330 happened under yesterday. This would this went down yesterday. 2551 02:31:06,330 --> 02:31:09,990 You didn't hear much about it. But I but I want to bring it up 2552 02:31:09,990 --> 02:31:16,110 because it shows the difference. Disgusting nature of what of the 2553 02:31:16,110 --> 02:31:19,530 narrative that is being played, and what is actually happening 2554 02:31:19,530 --> 02:31:22,020 at the border. And what this is all really about. It's about a 2555 02:31:22,020 --> 02:31:27,270 four and a half billion dollar legislative bill that what 2556 02:31:27,270 --> 02:31:32,010 allocates money to what is happening on the border, nothing 2557 02:31:32,010 --> 02:31:35,760 with border security, nothing with a wall or anything like 2558 02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:41,160 that. Not even more enforcement. This is all well, you've you've 2559 02:31:41,160 --> 02:31:43,380 been hearing it in the news. Here's AOC 2560 02:31:43,410 --> 02:31:46,320 Unknown: areas very clear academic consensus on what 2561 02:31:46,320 --> 02:31:49,140 constitutes a concentration camp. And that is the mass 2562 02:31:49,140 --> 02:31:52,110 detention of a community of people without a trial or due 2563 02:31:52,110 --> 02:31:56,790 process. I think it's pretty universally and non 2564 02:31:56,790 --> 02:32:00,870 controversial to say that the administration is doing exactly 2565 02:32:00,870 --> 02:32:03,060 that and meets the academic requirements for what a 2566 02:32:03,060 --> 02:32:05,670 concentration campus you're not comparing this to what happened 2567 02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:09,360 in World War Two. No, no, I while concentration camps were 2568 02:32:09,360 --> 02:32:13,620 employed. During that time, concentration camps were also 2569 02:32:13,620 --> 02:32:17,130 utilized in a wide in all over the world, including in the 2570 02:32:17,130 --> 02:32:19,170 United States with a Japanese internment. 2571 02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:22,980 Adam Curry: So yeah, that's how horrible everything is that this 2572 02:32:22,980 --> 02:32:26,010 is like concentration camps. Okay. Adam Schiff, 2573 02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:27,810 John C. Dvorak: let me ask you, President Trump tweeted 2574 02:32:27,810 --> 02:32:31,620 yesterday that he's going to delay plans for these ice mass 2575 02:32:31,620 --> 02:32:34,350 deportations in major cities across the United States to 2576 02:32:34,350 --> 02:32:37,380 allow two weeks for Congress to quote, get together and work out 2577 02:32:37,380 --> 02:32:40,440 a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the 2578 02:32:40,440 --> 02:32:41,250 southern border. 2579 02:32:41,460 --> 02:32:45,780 Are you open to negotiations on this to avoid those deportations 2580 02:32:45,780 --> 02:32:46,530 two weeks from now, 2581 02:32:46,890 --> 02:32:50,040 we've always been open to negotiations. In fact, we have 2582 02:32:50,040 --> 02:32:53,670 been negotiating and there is a bipartisan package in the Senate 2583 02:32:54,030 --> 02:32:57,750 of some emergency supplemental relief to try to provide 2584 02:32:57,750 --> 02:33:02,040 assistance. But make no mistake, there is nothing that Congress 2585 02:33:02,040 --> 02:33:05,310 is doing or not doing that compels the administration to 2586 02:33:05,310 --> 02:33:07,680 have facilities where children don't have blankets or 2587 02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,500 toothbrushes or soap, and for the vice president or the 2588 02:33:10,500 --> 02:33:15,090 president to blame Congress for their own malfeasance is just a 2589 02:33:15,090 --> 02:33:19,620 completely besides the point and unethical and unacceptable. They 2590 02:33:19,620 --> 02:33:23,430 could cure this problem today. But they don't want to because, 2591 02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:27,960 frankly, the cruelty is part of their policy. It's part of what 2592 02:33:27,960 --> 02:33:31,590 they think will deter migrants from coming here. It's part of 2593 02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:34,410 what they think will motivate the Congress to build a wall. 2594 02:33:34,710 --> 02:33:38,670 And to use these children that way is I just think immoral, not 2595 02:33:38,970 --> 02:33:42,480 Adam Curry: it this is this is this is him projecting because 2596 02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:46,230 he is in fact, using children this way in a moral fashion, 2597 02:33:46,350 --> 02:33:48,930 because this is not about the children. This is what the 2598 02:33:48,930 --> 02:33:53,850 immigration issue is really about money, big ass money to 2599 02:33:54,330 --> 02:34:03,720 $2,881,552,000 is going to the partners of the Office of 2600 02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:08,040 Refugee Resettlement. These are mainly religious organizations 2601 02:34:08,040 --> 02:34:12,570 Catholic or a lot of Republican or oriented organizations who 2602 02:34:12,570 --> 02:34:16,530 are getting this money for refugee and entrant 2603 02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:19,260 John C. Dvorak: assistance. Yeah, we've discussed this 2604 02:34:19,260 --> 02:34:20,670 you've discussed I know but I 2605 02:34:20,670 --> 02:34:22,800 Adam Curry: gotta keep bringing it up. Because now we have the 2606 02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:26,520 picture of the Father and the daughter drowned face down in 2607 02:34:26,520 --> 02:34:29,280 the water crossing the Rio Grande what and whatever they 2608 02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:35,160 were crossing. It's disgusting, because you're just doing this 2609 02:34:35,160 --> 02:34:37,890 for your big donors, all sides. 2610 02:34:38,220 --> 02:34:40,380 John C. Dvorak: I'm not gonna argue this, but I want to play 2611 02:34:40,380 --> 02:34:43,230 this. This is the democracy and I don't know it was on the show. 2612 02:34:43,230 --> 02:34:46,830 But this is a teaser. This is another angle, the same story, 2613 02:34:47,070 --> 02:34:49,680 but this one was the ruler of the month. 2614 02:34:49,710 --> 02:34:53,790 Unknown: I'm a former child incarcerated during World War 2615 02:34:53,790 --> 02:35:01,170 Two. This is a photograph of me when I was in prison. 75 years 2616 02:35:01,170 --> 02:35:07,740 ago, 120,000 of us were removed from our homes and forcefully 2617 02:35:07,740 --> 02:35:13,770 incarcerated in prison camps across the country. We're here 2618 02:35:13,770 --> 02:35:17,730 today to protest the repetition of history. 2619 02:35:19,980 --> 02:35:22,230 John C. Dvorak: Was that all about fishing in history? 2620 02:35:22,260 --> 02:35:24,060 Adam Curry: Yes. Concentration Camps baby. 2621 02:35:24,450 --> 02:35:26,070 John C. Dvorak: No, it's reached. He said there was 2622 02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:30,840 120,000 was removed from our homes and put in detention camp 2623 02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:36,630 and we don't want to have a rapid repetition of history. And 2624 02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:41,190 I'm thinking, where's this happening? So it's being removed 2625 02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:42,390 from their homes. 2626 02:35:43,170 --> 02:35:45,810 Adam Curry: They don't think well, the the Trump promised he 2627 02:35:45,810 --> 02:35:48,810 was going to remove people from their homes. What hasn't done 2628 02:35:48,810 --> 02:35:51,570 John C. Dvorak: much about that? Well, you know why? And he 2629 02:35:51,570 --> 02:35:54,150 hasn't removed him to take them put them in a concentration 2630 02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:56,220 camp, he was removed to deport them. 2631 02:35:56,250 --> 02:35:59,640 Adam Curry: Yeah. But you know, why is because all just like, 2632 02:35:59,820 --> 02:36:05,310 the era so called Iran bombing, the targets were all announced. 2633 02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:09,240 It wasn't it wasn't supposed to be out in the news that he was 2634 02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:11,520 going to do this. But you know, someone leaked it, of course. 2635 02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,850 And so this is not the time to do a raid on anything if they're 2636 02:36:14,850 --> 02:36:18,450 expecting you to show up. Yeah, well, that's for sure. Remember, 2637 02:36:18,480 --> 02:36:22,170 this is a four actually $4.6 billion bill, all for 2638 02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:26,640 toothbrushes and water and beds. Okay. 27 million shall be 2639 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:32,460 available for the purposes of adding beds. Of which no less 2640 02:36:32,460 --> 02:36:40,920 than, let's see what he have. We have 8 million available for 2641 02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:44,910 case management. I mean, the money is going to the Office of 2642 02:36:44,940 --> 02:36:48,510 Refugee Resettlement. The bulk of the money is going to the 2643 02:36:48,510 --> 02:36:52,860 prison complex, who run these who run these things, which, of 2644 02:36:52,860 --> 02:36:57,870 course can only be Republicans. Now, Obama was all over in 2645 02:36:57,870 --> 02:37:04,140 Houston, who he said them real poverty. So let's not make any, 2646 02:37:04,380 --> 02:37:09,000 let's not be honest about it. This is huge money, a billion 2647 02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:13,320 dollars a lot. $4 billion is a lot a lot. People just you get 2648 02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:20,220 used to these numbers, a billion here a billion 1000 million in 2649 02:37:20,220 --> 02:37:20,820 the wind. 2650 02:37:22,290 --> 02:37:23,550 John C. Dvorak: So they can afford them. Obviously, the 2651 02:37:23,550 --> 02:37:25,020 majors cost a lot of money. 2652 02:37:25,050 --> 02:37:26,790 Adam Curry: They need to port you know, they they send them 2653 02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:29,490 off to Maine and Maine needs. Maine needs immigrants. Oh, 2654 02:37:29,490 --> 02:37:33,600 we'll send them over there. The trafficking is legalized, the 2655 02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:37,830 trafficking is being done by the US government. The trafficking 2656 02:37:38,010 --> 02:37:41,250 is the Office of Refugee Resettlement of it, stop it, 2657 02:37:41,670 --> 02:37:44,100 stop what stopped the immigration. 2658 02:37:46,020 --> 02:37:49,110 Now they're not going to do it because neither party has any 2659 02:37:49,110 --> 02:37:55,110 benefit. And honestly, white and black people in America don't 2660 02:37:55,110 --> 02:37:59,550 want to work on the farm. And I want to pick fruit. Does another 2661 02:37:59,550 --> 02:38:02,400 issue with that. So everyone can be all high and mighty. But 2662 02:38:02,580 --> 02:38:04,590 John C. Dvorak: that's another form of decadence. 2663 02:38:04,650 --> 02:38:08,460 Adam Curry: Thank you very much. Exactly. decadence. 2664 02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:14,100 John C. Dvorak: Oh, I hope you got that. You got that off 2665 02:38:14,100 --> 02:38:17,160 Adam Curry: your chest. Yeah. Well, it's, we've done it many 2666 02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:23,040 times before. And, you know, AOC was out there like we I mean, 2667 02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:25,830 that's exactly what she sounds like. I'd have to say she'd 2668 02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:29,790 voted against the bill. So I'll give her props for that. But not 2669 02:38:29,790 --> 02:38:32,670 because she really understands and she thinks is just, you 2670 02:38:32,670 --> 02:38:34,470 know, concentration camps. 2671 02:38:35,850 --> 02:38:37,050 John C. Dvorak: Concentration Camp 2672 02:38:37,050 --> 02:38:38,370 Adam Curry: and then fine repeat no 2673 02:38:38,370 --> 02:38:39,450 John C. Dvorak: repetition of history. 2674 02:38:40,530 --> 02:38:45,210 Adam Curry: Finally, for me, you probably saw Bitcoin, which you 2675 02:38:45,210 --> 02:38:50,970 know, I've become a maximalist a year ago, shot up to was like 2676 02:38:51,000 --> 02:38:56,430 almost almost 1400 went to 13,800 has dropped down a bit 2677 02:38:56,430 --> 02:39:01,530 now. Not quite sure exactly what the catalyst is, although I have 2678 02:39:01,530 --> 02:39:05,040 a feeling that whatever China decides to say after the weekend 2679 02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:09,660 with the G 20. Will, will give us some clues. But it's also 2680 02:39:09,660 --> 02:39:14,040 gaining real legitimacy as a hedge strategy. This is 2681 02:39:14,040 --> 02:39:17,550 Christina Hooper from Invesco on CNBC. 2682 02:39:17,580 --> 02:39:19,410 Unknown: What do you make of the safe haven trade, which has been 2683 02:39:19,410 --> 02:39:21,330 gaining momentum over the last week? If you look at the 2684 02:39:21,330 --> 02:39:25,260 Japanese yen, the 10 year yield breaking below 2% Again, and 2685 02:39:25,260 --> 02:39:26,640 even gold at a six year high? 2686 02:39:26,730 --> 02:39:29,460 Well, certainly there are a lot of safe haven trades. And I've 2687 02:39:29,460 --> 02:39:32,940 heard some strategists argue in fact that Bitcoin is a safe 2688 02:39:32,940 --> 02:39:35,520 haven trade or perhaps an indicator that we're getting 2689 02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:40,230 close. I think that Bitcoin might be a sign of fears about 2690 02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:44,310 recession. But but certainly it makes sense in this environment 2691 02:39:44,310 --> 02:39:48,360 that we see investors looking for safe havens, but I do think 2692 02:39:48,360 --> 02:39:52,080 it's a mistake with the Fed signaling its willingness to be 2693 02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:52,980 a lot more dovish. 2694 02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:58,050 Adam Curry: So it's being taken seriously as a as an asset, 2695 02:39:58,080 --> 02:40:02,460 something that you can do safer safe haven trade. 2696 02:40:02,849 --> 02:40:04,139 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, like Beanie Babies. 2697 02:40:04,829 --> 02:40:09,839 Adam Curry: No, no see, like the tulip trade would be more 2698 02:40:09,869 --> 02:40:13,439 appropriate people said Bitcoin it's like the tulip mania. The 2699 02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:16,979 tulips never came back and Beanie Babies left and didn't 2700 02:40:16,979 --> 02:40:20,819 really come back. They kind of came back No, not like this 2701 02:40:20,849 --> 02:40:25,019 John C. Dvorak: Bitcoin has not left. In the first place it goes 2702 02:40:25,019 --> 02:40:28,739 up and down. Well, let's quote Johnson. Back down to 25 cents 2703 02:40:28,770 --> 02:40:32,400 Adam Curry: then. Yeah, what's what's the bottom John called 2704 02:40:32,400 --> 02:40:33,390 the bottom for us? Just 2705 02:40:33,480 --> 02:40:34,500 John C. Dvorak: five cents. 25 2706 02:40:34,500 --> 02:40:35,280 Adam Curry: cents. Okay. 2707 02:40:37,980 --> 02:40:39,780 John C. Dvorak: Beautiful shirt, by the way is also the bottom 2708 02:40:39,780 --> 02:40:45,360 for Twitter. So find they can dig in meet and greet. It's down 2709 02:40:45,360 --> 02:40:51,270 there. I do have one kind of clip I've been trying to get rid 2710 02:40:51,270 --> 02:40:53,910 of but it's always cracked me up because I see had this actually 2711 02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:56,640 visually you got to see it. They had the first services of Notre 2712 02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:59,790 Dame like a week and a half ago, two weeks ago. Yeah. And 2713 02:40:59,790 --> 02:41:02,940 everybody was in there with hard hats on it. And I for some 2714 02:41:02,940 --> 02:41:07,110 reason, see a bunch of priests and altar boys and everybody's 2715 02:41:07,350 --> 02:41:10,530 hard heads on. I just cracked me up. 2716 02:41:10,620 --> 02:41:14,670 Notre DOM held its first mass since a fire ravaged the Paris 2717 02:41:14,670 --> 02:41:18,390 Cathedral in April. For security reasons. Only 30 people were 2718 02:41:18,390 --> 02:41:22,290 able to attend all of them. Employees of the church. Members 2719 02:41:22,290 --> 02:41:25,230 of the congregation wore hard hats, including the Archbishop 2720 02:41:25,230 --> 02:41:26,880 of Paris who led the service. 2721 02:41:28,170 --> 02:41:31,350 Adam Curry: Well, I'm glad you got that clip off your chest. 2722 02:41:31,590 --> 02:41:31,920 Yeah, I 2723 02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:32,610 John C. Dvorak: did. Finally, 2724 02:41:32,790 --> 02:41:36,300 Adam Curry: keep your eye on the G 20. According to the New York, 2725 02:41:36,300 --> 02:41:40,590 former New York banker, China will accept our terms and we 2726 02:41:40,590 --> 02:41:46,530 will see an end to the tariff battle. And that will be good. 2727 02:41:49,350 --> 02:41:50,280 John C. Dvorak: There was nothing nothing's going to 2728 02:41:50,280 --> 02:41:51,390 happen. He says 2729 02:41:51,390 --> 02:41:53,160 Adam Curry: it's going to happen. He says Zhi Jing ping 2730 02:41:53,160 --> 02:41:56,580 will say I can work with this guy. We can work with these 2731 02:41:56,580 --> 02:41:57,120 terms. 2732 02:41:57,390 --> 02:41:59,430 John C. Dvorak: We'll see. Okay, we'll see. Hopefully, that's the 2733 02:41:59,430 --> 02:42:01,800 case that will that will mark it go crazy. 2734 02:42:01,830 --> 02:42:04,260 Adam Curry: No, it's a small prediction from the New York 2735 02:42:04,260 --> 02:42:04,650 banker. 2736 02:42:06,360 --> 02:42:07,140 And 2737 02:42:08,250 --> 02:42:15,180 stay tuned for end of show mixes we've got Jesse Coyne Nelson, 2738 02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:19,110 and a classic Chris Wilson, and a drone again, as requested and 2739 02:42:19,110 --> 02:42:21,870 coming to you from the fringe of oxygen from the frontier of 2740 02:42:21,870 --> 02:42:25,440 Austin, Texas, right where the poop is taking place. In the 2741 02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:26,880 morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry. 2742 02:42:27,030 --> 02:42:28,680 John C. Dvorak: And from Northern Silicon Valley. There's 2743 02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:32,430 no poop in necessarily where I am. But it can happen any 2744 02:42:32,430 --> 02:42:33,810 minute. I'm John C. Dvorak. 2745 02:42:34,320 --> 02:42:38,130 Adam Curry: Stay tuned for a hog story on no agenda. stream.com 2746 02:42:38,130 --> 02:42:41,910 Thanks for listening. We return on Sunday until then, adios mo 2747 02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:44,010 photos ends 2748 02:43:02,550 --> 02:43:08,280 flying over Afghanistan, or maybe it was Pakistan. I 2749 02:43:08,280 --> 02:43:14,460 promised myself to aim myself at every woman child and man that 2750 02:43:14,490 --> 02:43:21,150 was on my list. I don't care if I missed I remote control. I do 2751 02:43:21,150 --> 02:43:27,810 God I'm told by someone come you turn Obama gave me a bush. More 2752 02:43:27,810 --> 02:43:32,220 than Bush and I cost millions. We're supposed to target 2753 02:43:32,250 --> 02:43:37,680 terrorists, but not so much civilians. I don't know what to 2754 02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:48,210 say. up some got in my way. A drone again. Naturally. A drone 2755 02:43:48,210 --> 02:43:51,540 again, naturally. 2756 02:43:56,280 --> 02:43:59,730 Police officers today can actually text the judge. Tell 2757 02:43:59,730 --> 02:44:02,850 them they've got you there. And you got a phone they want to 2758 02:44:02,850 --> 02:44:05,580 look at and the judge in the middle of the night because then 2759 02:44:05,580 --> 02:44:08,190 you would text back and say he approves and bingo Boom 2760 02:44:08,190 --> 02:44:10,020 shakalaka bing, 2761 02:44:11,820 --> 02:44:17,070 John C. Dvorak: bing. Like that. We just dropped at the end of 2762 02:44:17,070 --> 02:44:21,360 anybody's clip bidding. You should make that as a little 2763 02:44:21,360 --> 02:44:35,610 bitty clip. Bingo Boom shakalaka I think we need to incorporate 2764 02:44:35,610 --> 02:44:40,200 Adam Curry: that into our vocabulary. Go ahead, make my 2765 02:44:40,200 --> 02:44:40,530 day go. 2766 02:44:42,540 --> 02:44:43,620 Unknown: Away, buddy. 2767 02:44:45,870 --> 02:44:46,950 Adam Curry: Bingo boom Jaga 2768 02:44:47,910 --> 02:44:52,560 Unknown: I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and 2769 02:44:52,560 --> 02:44:56,430 I'm all out of being great, 2770 02:44:56,460 --> 02:44:58,350 John C. Dvorak: please dropped at the end of anybody's clip. 2771 02:44:58,650 --> 02:44:59,460 Whatever it is. 2772 02:45:02,220 --> 02:45:05,190 Unknown: Taking cars off me again being 2773 02:45:07,649 --> 02:45:09,629 Adam Curry: I'm sorry, being open 2774 02:45:11,190 --> 02:45:16,410 John C. Dvorak: like that. What we've got here is failure 2775 02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:20,610 Unknown: you can't handle the angle 2776 02:45:24,390 --> 02:45:27,210 John C. Dvorak: the first rule of fight club is you do not talk 2777 02:45:27,210 --> 02:45:30,510 about being surely can't be serious. 2778 02:45:30,900 --> 02:45:32,730 Adam Curry: I am serious. And don't call me 2779 02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:38,910 Unknown: a contender a corrupt been somebody 2780 02:45:40,470 --> 02:45:41,490 instead of being 2781 02:45:43,050 --> 02:45:44,880 John C. Dvorak: please dropped at the end of anybody's clip. 2782 02:45:45,539 --> 02:45:47,369 Adam Curry: Bingo Boom shakalaka 2783 02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:52,710 Unknown: you gotta say I'm a human being God dammit. My life 2784 02:45:52,710 --> 02:46:12,420 has value me get your mass balls 2785 02:46:14,850 --> 02:46:18,390 all last is slavery 2786 02:46:27,900 --> 02:46:31,230 Adam Curry: and stop spreading fake news of discectomy does not 2787 02:46:31,230 --> 02:46:33,360 involve cutting your nuts off because then I'm gonna have to 2788 02:46:33,360 --> 02:46:35,760 listen to Brian Brushwood complain to me for another five 2789 02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:39,900 years as it no you know what it is? Please tell all the 2790 02:46:39,900 --> 02:46:41,010 newcomers just theory. 2791 02:46:41,970 --> 02:46:45,360 John C. Dvorak: I discovered a book in the 1920s that I still 2792 02:46:45,360 --> 02:46:49,830 have a copy of and it's a doctor about medical procedures, and 2793 02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:55,080 vasectomy. These are not new, and they were used in the 20s as 2794 02:46:55,080 --> 02:47:00,480 a use fix it would make you the vasectomy was two men were told, 2795 02:47:00,690 --> 02:47:04,110 get a vasectomy and you will look younger. It's like It's 2796 02:47:04,110 --> 02:47:08,730 like the another one that came along some years later was the 2797 02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:12,480 lobotomy. There was actually a fetish thing and there was 2798 02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:15,330 apparently some guy in Central Park that would give you you get 2799 02:47:15,330 --> 02:47:17,820 lobotomies without having to really go into the doctor's 2800 02:47:17,820 --> 02:47:21,240 office, they would slip a needle behind your eyeball. And the 2801 02:47:21,240 --> 02:47:23,610 thing was, it gets was curved history where they could 2802 02:47:23,610 --> 02:47:28,980 actually Nick cut off the little piece of the brain that hooks 2803 02:47:28,980 --> 02:47:34,470 the front to the back to this done to I don't know middle aged 2804 02:47:34,470 --> 02:47:37,950 guys, I'm not sure what the age is worth. But I started noticing 2805 02:47:37,950 --> 02:47:41,190 this with men who had had vasectomies, and I will say 2806 02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:47,070 this, not all of them, but most of them start to look a little 2807 02:47:47,070 --> 02:47:48,510 bit like a lesbian 2808 02:47:53,370 --> 02:47:55,110 Adam Curry: there's a uniform lesbian look. 2809 02:47:55,800 --> 02:47:58,800 John C. Dvorak: There is I think, and at least I think 2810 02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:00,570 there's a uniform lesbian 2811 02:48:00,570 --> 02:48:03,120 Adam Curry: I think I just think it's the Krispies but that's 2812 02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:03,750 pretty much it. 2813 02:48:39,900 --> 02:48:43,440 Unknown: The ball rack.org/n A