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John C Dvorak: No, you can't use
the word death. Adam curry, John

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C. Dvorak,

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Adam Curry: November 19 2023.
This is your award winning given

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nation media assassination
episode 1609. This is no agenda,

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taking the long term view and
broadcasting live from the heart

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of the Texas hill country here
in fingerings. Number six in the

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morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry

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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where I'm sick of

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listening to football players
saying they're playing one day

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at a time. I'm John C. Dvorak

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Adam Curry: skill. Isn't that
what we do as podcast is we're

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podcasting one show at a time.
One time listening

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John C Dvorak: to is a good one.
And listening to the NFL today

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on CBS. Yeah. And James Brown is
talking to a remote and he says

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to the guy to can to finish the
interview. Okay, well knock him

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alive. Right. And I'm thinking
holy mackerel, you telling me

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that CBS you can't use the
phrase knock them dead anymore

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because that's what that stems
from. And you so you make

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something up which is really an
old saying phrase knock them

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alive. Oh, this

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Unknown: is no good. Knock him
alive attic.

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John C Dvorak: Oh, you might
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Unknown: That's pretty lame.
That's

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John C Dvorak: the lamest thing
I've ever heard James Brown host

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of the of the show. What do you
mean the James Brown? The old

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James Brown is a business
sportscaster Oh,

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Adam Curry: but he wasn't an ex
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John C Dvorak: You know, I don't
think he was oh, he looks like

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he's big guy but I don't think
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Adam Curry: well, that's pretty
sad. That is pretty sad. knock

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them out. We should come up with
a whole bunch of those say knock

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them alive. Not over my living
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John C Dvorak: Nailed it.

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Adam Curry: Make them up. Right
where you are man. No problem.

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Yeah, head over my living body
or mind living body that's gonna

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John C Dvorak: go and makes a
little more sense than knocked

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him alive. Yeah. knock somebody
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Adam Curry: and pride from my
cold living hands. Somehow

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John C Dvorak: You're on a roll
Keep it keep it up.

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Adam Curry: I can't think of any
more wanted living or alive? You

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go now. I mean, how much more do
you want from me as I can I can

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keep my hair all night. And day.
Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, man. Hey,

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there's some funny stuff
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John C Dvorak: Which we need any
stuff? Oh, yeah,

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Adam Curry: we needed some funny
stuff. Because everyone's so

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serious. Even the emails we get
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John C Dvorak: I mean, our
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someone's

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Adam Curry: very concerned about
everything concern, but I think

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I think what has just been
fantastic to watch. Is the M

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five M mainstream media
blatantly lying about Elon Musk?

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John C Dvorak: Oh, they're
You're right. They are lying

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about Elon Musk. blatantly
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Adam Curry: I think I have a
clip I have. I have let me get

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you started with you get a
little bit of CBS to find my

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little bit of CBS Evening News
everybody

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Unknown: back here at home tech
billionaire Elon Musk is under

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fire for spreading anti semitic
and racist hate.

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Adam Curry: I just have to ask a
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John C Dvorak: before even going
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Adam Curry: even into the story.
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transphobic is homophobic
Islamophobic. But then instead

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of Jewish phobic, it's anti
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use it or semi phobic? Why don't
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semitism which by itself

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John C Dvorak: is phobic for
racism. Yes, but But I say guys

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a negro phobic

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Adam Curry: I just don't
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why it's anti semitism. If
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anti a lot of things I'm anti
vegan. Doesn't sound the same as

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John C Dvorak: I just could be
anti trans How can you don't use

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Adam Curry: Well this is my
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John C Dvorak: has always been a
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homophobic and if you use the
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yeah but in most cases are
homophobic hate

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Adam Curry: gays irrational
fears irrational fear of

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John C Dvorak: irrational fear
they're not fearful of of the of

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a horde of gays coming out at
them here they come. What are we

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Adam Curry: I would I be careful
man. Some of those gay guys are

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pretty buff and beat you

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John C Dvorak: almost have a bar
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Adam Curry: Yeah, but you know,
but instead of semi phobic is

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Rayleigh phobic, and it could be
a whole bunch of folk Because

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John C Dvorak: Rayleigh phobic
that sounds good as a good sound

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to it because it really is an

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Adam Curry: irrational fear.
Zeit xenophobic doesn't work

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with design design design is the
honesty on a phobia Jana phobic

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Yeah, that would be better than
anti some anti semitic just

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doesn't have enough weight I
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should do something about that

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John C Dvorak: well night yeah
but most of the people are

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complaining about the Israeli
Jews. Yes. Not just Vegas Dog

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row Wandering Jew

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Adam Curry: yes a shapeshifting
Jew no shapeshifting Jews are

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okay. It's just it's just a
point of order it's I find it an

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honor and

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John C Dvorak: kaska we get away
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Adam Curry: Oh yeah, because you
can't even agree with a video

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without getting D platformed
from your own platform

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Unknown: back here at home tech
billionaire Elon Musk is under

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fire for spreading anti semitic
and racist hate to write 160

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million followers on AIX it's

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Adam Curry: not just hate is
racist hate. It should be it

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could be race hate would be
better. But let's let's stop

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picking it apart. Let's just go
with the story formerly

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Unknown: known as Twitter.
Disney is just becoming the

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latest advertiser to flee this
social media platform out of

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fear that their ads will appear
next to hate speech. CBS Nancy

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Cortez is at the White House
with a Biden administration

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today condemned the promotion of
what it called hideous anti

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semitic lies.

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Adam Curry: So I think here's
how allies anti semitic lies. So

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I think here's how the meeting
went. Mr. President, I mean

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person who, who has missed the
President's brain. We got a

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problem like all the kids that
we activated for Black Lives

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Matter and all the LGBTQ issues.
They hate us to call on you

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genocide Joe. Hey, hey, ho ho
genocide Joe gotta go. We got to

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do something. Finally,

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John C Dvorak: you know what?
I'm convinced. You're right.

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Yeah. Oh, it's all about
genocide, Joe in that debt

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phrase. deflection. By the way,
what is anti semitic? Isn't anti

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semitic hate racists that are
redundant in some, in some ways?

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Adam Curry: I don't know. But
let's listen to you at the end

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of that report. Let me listen
again. The latest Firefox says

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Unknown: at the White House with
a Biden administration today

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condemned the promotion of what
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lies,

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Adam Curry: no lies.

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John C Dvorak: What's an anti
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semitic you're anti semitic

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Adam Curry: I know it's the
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anyway so they had this meeting
like dude I got something I got

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something we can deflect a call
CBS call ABC call NBC call

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everybody go CIA they'll take
care of all Media Matters come

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on get everybody involved we got
something we can ship make it

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Elon make it make it make

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Unknown: it Elon the latest
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John C Dvorak: Firestorm? I
heard about this a few hours

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Adam Curry: The hyena was a
firestorm lady, not this. Elon

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Unknown: Musk on his social
media site x is now threatening

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to spread

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Adam Curry: violation. Violation
she forgot to say formerly known

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as Twitter mob dives, this is a
minus point for you lady.

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Unknown: The latest Firestorm
sparked by Elon Musk on his

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social media site x is now
threatening to spread to his

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other companies, including
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Tesla Oh, it's spreading as
investors openly mused about

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selling stock Oh, did you hear

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Adam Curry: anyone openly mute

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John C Dvorak: by selling stock
this is good this is a threat oh

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this is a formal threat laid
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to over this genocide Joe thing
which I'm sure has got to be

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eaten at him of course. And they
got they weren't they weren't

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musta throw in with them.

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Adam Curry: So there it is. And
and the and now investors are

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amusing which you know
considering would have been a

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word what is this muse? What is
the why are they using Muse

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because it's bullcrap because
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John C Dvorak: me like thinking
over music I'm thinking Let me

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I'm thinking it over you know
this this must guy in a while I

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shouldn't be investing I should
not just stable maybe I

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Adam Curry: should yeah well
let's just say Muse let me see

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Muse Muse as the bow when you
look up muse, you have to

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actually add the word definition
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Deaf deaf definition. Let's see
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Muse muse, to become absorbed in
thought was thinking over I am

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no absorbed. absorbed and
thinking over your buttocks

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Unknown: The carmaker Tesla, as
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stock who the controversy
started Wednesday afternoon when

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Musk the world's richest man
liked a post on X that claimed

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Jewish communities have a quote
dialectical hatred against

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whites. Okay,

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Adam Curry: so this is the
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first of all that is there's no
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dialectical. Now here's what
happened. And they and they all

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have screenshots on their
websites of this one guy who

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only has 5000 followers, but he
has a blue check the artist

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formerly known as Eric. And he
is, so what he says is okay,

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Jewish communities have been
pushing the exact kind of

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dialectical hatred against
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people to stop using against
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in giving the tiniest shit now
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populations, coming to the
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those hordes of minorities that
say supported flooding their

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country don't exactly like them
too much. You want the truth

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said to your face? There it is.
To which Elon Musk replied, You

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have said the actual truth. But
the thing is what they don't

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show on their screenshots? Is
the rest of the tweet No, no, is

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that this guy this artist
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responding to a tweet before
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Jewish leaders against hate a
one minute clip, and the which

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is posted by Charles Weber. Blue
check. He says to the cowards

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hiding behind the anonymity of
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Hitler was right. You got
something you want to say? Why

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don't you say it to our faces?
And so what this is, is a PSA, a

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public service announcement of a
dad and his kid, both white

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clearly pickup trucks oke Trump
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And his dad suddenly stops and
says, you know, I've been

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reading what you've been
posting? Hitler was right. Are

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you crazy? And he stops in front
of a Jewish school or a

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synagogue. And the Jewish
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I've seen this. And he says, Why
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face son? Implying that the only
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about Jews are white Trump
supporters because it is a

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pickup truck. And I'm just
making that supposition. So this

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guy is replying to that saying,
Hey, hold on a second. If you

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want to actually make a point
about people who hate you, why

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don't you look at the people who
actually hate you. And that's

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that's what it was about. Not
about just me, Elon Musk saying,

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oh, yeah, that's right. The Jews
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That's not what it was. I mean,
it's it's all pretty nuanced.

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And hey, people, it's Twitter.
But all right. Hey, genocide.

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Joe has a problem. Let's pin it
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Unknown: You have said the
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My first reaction was grow up.

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Rabbi Abraham Cooper just met
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Adam Curry: is so beautifully
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Adam Curry: the Jews. Hey, hold
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wrote the book about it? Black?
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John C Dvorak: Ik coming over
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Adam Curry: That's your
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John C Dvorak: If you want to
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Adam Curry: they haven't been
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jus hate or anything. It's just
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Adam Curry: Unfortunately,
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John C Dvorak: Yes, Clinton
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is this is Siri, I thought that
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dink operation now and they give
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this past year, pulled in $25
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company, and that you have to
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statement. Many of these
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comprehensively monitoring,
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conservative misinformation in
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calling advertisers and say,
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next year AD. That's not part of
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be, but of course it is. And so
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threatened by media matters, and
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executives, that's when you will
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Media Matters. They are they're
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and correcting. They did in
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complete activists and they are
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mission. As you'll hear in a
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Unknown: giant IBM pulled its
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quote entirely unacceptable
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entertainment followed suit. But
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into white nationalist
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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Now Jew hate comes from white

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John C Dvorak: is a white
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Adam Curry: but you see the LEAP
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Unknown: in 2018. He suggested
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amplified racist memes on his
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John C Dvorak: Is there evidence
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Adam Curry: That must have been
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Unknown: latest comments.
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everyone should stop across the
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White House waded in saying
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Adam Curry: say the White House
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and it would be way back
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Adam Curry: oh waited like
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semitic and racist hate, the
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Unknown: all comes of course
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complaints about anti semitic
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Adam Curry: let's throw some
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single Islamophobic incident not
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John C Dvorak: going back to
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boy. Oh, yeah, I before you play
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missile launch. It was by the
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Adam Curry: wasn't it was it was
a rousing success we're talking

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about doesn't match if it wasn't
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passed to a permanent permanent
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the dome man. Didn't make it
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rocket and the spacecraft.
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the crash self destruct system
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Mexico after liftoff from South
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about eight minutes. That's
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in April which also ended with
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more bad news today as Comcast
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stepping away from his social
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as Twitter over concerns that
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anti semitic content. Other
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accused of tolerating and even
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messages on x. He drew fire
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Adam Curry: it's just not true.
I mean, it's just not true.

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John C Dvorak: no, they they've
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dud. That's why I wanted to play
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intellectual version of this
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explosion. I think I have it
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provided critical data needed to
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second test of the starship
system that experience what

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SpaceX jokingly has called a
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Adam Curry: Rapid unscheduled
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that's humorous. I like that. So
Deutsche Vela, which was this

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story is just being copy pasted
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the ocean to Deutsche Avella and
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Matters lady this is her name is
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Matters. She's got she's decked
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looking good looking good. You
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it's even crazier. Bring it on
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conspiracy theories and hate
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Adam Curry: gone from amplifying
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Unknown: each to thrive. And
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consequences. Today the EU
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stopping all advertising on

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Adam Curry: that Did you know
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advertises? What are the
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John C Dvorak: I have no idea.
They may have ads that show up

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Adam Curry: World Order. No,
come on. It's our ad. It's

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already coming. Who knows what
what they're advertising alright

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on the social media platform.
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condemned Elon Musk for what it
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of anti semitism. Now that
wasn't reaction into a tweet

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posted by Musk endorsing a
conspiracy theory that Jewish

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communities push, quote, hatred
against whites. Now

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Adam Curry: it's a conspiracy
theory, it's getting better the

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farther away it gets from the
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synagogue, posting this, it is
unacceptable to repeat the

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hideous lie behind the most
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American history at anytime, let
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deadliest day for the Jewish
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Adam Curry: Okay, so fatten it
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John C Dvorak: just one second.
So you have to imagine being

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Elon Musk richest guy who all
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could do whatever you want. And
this keeps happening to you

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00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:55,800
because you're there how many
because the left is just

452
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,190
relentless. And it comes from
left to concert? Right. It's

453
00:25:59,190 --> 00:26:01,770
like they're pummeling you from
every angle you don't know

454
00:26:01,770 --> 00:26:04,710
what's going to hit you next.
And it's got to be like that.

455
00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:08,520
He's got to be so I mean, I
don't know what he seems to have

456
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,780
enough of a sense of humor to to
get through it. But at the same

457
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:15,870
time, it's gotta be like, Wow,
what are these people up to?

458
00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:17,460
What are they trying to do to
me?

459
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,360
Adam Curry: You know, I have a
little bit of a thought that

460
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:25,500
maybe he's just the classic
he'll in this game. Now because

461
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,760
that's kind of what it feels
like. Elon you want more rocket

462
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,600
contracts man do you gotta like
we're gonna have to take you

463
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,100
down a notch bro.

464
00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:39,960
John C Dvorak: i It's like but
the thing is, is not like he did

465
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,620
it. I mean, he's involved with
Twitter. So he retweets a lot of

466
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:48,600
stuff because he likes to
promote but different ideologies

467
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,220
but at the same time it's like a
retweet something in the next

468
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:55,530
thing you know, you're you're
being blasted for

469
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:58,170
Adam Curry: Well, how about this
for a theory? This is the only

470
00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:02,880
theory I can come up with. He
wants to be your bank. The main

471
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,210
thing he has to do is keep
people on the platform keep them

472
00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:10,710
engaged in his platform, keep
his platform on their mind. Keep

473
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:14,010
saying consistently X formerly
known as Twitter, that's free

474
00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:16,980
advertising, that's free
rebranding for you right there

475
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,620
until he has his bank stuff
done.

476
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:21,630
John C Dvorak: So this is gonna
take him forever to get the bank

477
00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:22,680
thing going now

478
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,280
Adam Curry: maybe maybe not. I
don't know. I mean, he can

479
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,060
probably go along. Anyway, let's
go to the Media Matters lady,

480
00:27:30,420 --> 00:27:33,630
because she's now talking to a
journo Deutsch about a

481
00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:36,330
journalist, you know, top of the
top of the journalist pyramid.

482
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:39,000
Oh, a journalist talking to
journalists. That's the best

483
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,190
Well, she's not really a
journalist. She's, she's an

484
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:45,090
activist, but her problem is not
at all and I just want to say

485
00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:48,090
Media Matters. They don't really
care about the jus hate. They

486
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:50,610
got some they have a different
agenda for that I'm

487
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:53,400
Unknown: going to bring in now
and Julie Miller can she's vice

488
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,090
president of the media watchdog
Media Matters for America. She

489
00:27:57,090 --> 00:28:01,050
has been monitoring the rise in
online myths and disinformation

490
00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:05,370
especially on Elon Musk's
platform X or as we used to call

491
00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:10,560
it Twitter. Just how bad has it
gotten on x under Elon Musk?

492
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,900
Adam Curry: This guy has some
funny stuff to say to this

493
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,960
John C Dvorak: guy's because
this guy's a stooge. But he is a

494
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,950
good way he presents the
question I'll get beyond Yeah,

495
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:25,230
you're still beating your wife
gets better

496
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,630
Unknown: on x under Elon Musk.

497
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:30,750
Since Elon Musk has taken over
Twitter, he's made a series of

498
00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:34,620
decisions that has done nothing
but increase hate extremism and

499
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,160
conspiracy theories on the
platform. Since this takeover,

500
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,710
he one of the first things that
he did was got his content

501
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:44,700
moderation, his trust and public
safety team that made it very

502
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,910
difficult for them to be able to
enforce their terms of service.

503
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:52,800
He also has explicitly stopped
them from enforcing their terms

504
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,090
of service around so

505
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,820
Adam Curry: why why the Why does
the Chuckle or the Chuckle

506
00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:57,180
there.

507
00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:00,450
John C Dvorak: Again, played
against

508
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:04,650
Unknown: specifically blocked
them from enforcing their terms

509
00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:06,270
of service around certain types

510
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:09,630
Adam Curry: has blocked them
from enforcing their terms of

511
00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:12,300
service, and she's laughing
about it. Yeah. And the thing

512
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,400
that's interesting, it's his
terms of service. What do you

513
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,730
care? She has a reason for it.
But what do you care? It's his

514
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:21,030
terms of service is not law.
Yes. Not yours. His Terms of

515
00:29:21,030 --> 00:29:23,220
Service. Okay, let's go back.

516
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:27,180
Unknown: We stopped them from
enforcing their terms of service

517
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:30,960
around certain types of content,
including anti semitic content.

518
00:29:31,620 --> 00:29:35,670
He has reinstated extremist
accounts that were previously

519
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:40,230
banned on the platform. He
himself has engaged repeatedly

520
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:43,950
with conspiracy theorists with
people who have pushed anti

521
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:48,390
LGBTQ rhetoric, people who have
endorsed anti semitic conspiracy

522
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:51,330
theories, people who have
endorsed COVID-19

523
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:55,110
misinformation, the list goes on
and on. And the impact has been

524
00:29:55,110 --> 00:30:00,600
clear the information ecosystem
on x at this point in time is

525
00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:03,300
heavily skewed towards far right
extremism?

526
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:06,720
Adam Curry: Whoa, hold on a
second. First of all the

527
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,010
information ecosystem. This is
when his Twitter information

528
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,870
it's it's a social media site,
it's garbage is what they all

529
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:18,990
are. But now it's skewing
towards far right. You know the

530
00:30:18,990 --> 00:30:20,130
people who hate Jews, it's

531
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:24,060
Unknown: playground for
extremists. It's a playground.

532
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,040
Adam Curry: Oh wait, it's a
playground. It's no longer an

533
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,490
information ecosystem. It's a
playground for these extremists.

534
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:38,130
John C Dvorak: I got through one
more little observation in the

535
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,620
Democrat Party is so freaked out
because of all this pro

536
00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:47,850
Palestinian protests at
universities mostly. Yeah, we'll

537
00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:51,990
get to that. And then around
there, that they think they're

538
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:56,580
losing the Jewish vote. You've
got to reestablish the old meme.

539
00:30:57,090 --> 00:31:02,310
That right wingers Yes, yes. Are
the Jew haters, not us? Yeah,

540
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:05,430
Adam Curry: yeah, exactly. Not
the kids at university. We just

541
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:08,190
have some investigations going
on there. We're just gonna, we

542
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:12,840
have opened investigations. But
Elon Musk braces, anti Semite

543
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,050
Unknown: is heavily skewed
towards far right extremism.

544
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:20,280
It's a playground for these
extremists. And it's become

545
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,970
increasingly difficult to get
any sort of reliable information

546
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:27,210
on there. And instead, it's just
flooded with hate, bigotry lies

547
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,110
in

548
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,140
Adam Curry: Hold on a second.
Did I missed something? Is

549
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:34,320
there? Was there ever a point in
time where you went to Twitter

550
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,670
to get reliable information?
She's complaining about that you

551
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:42,480
can't it's it's increasingly
hard to get reliable. It is not.

552
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:47,160
It's not NBC or CBS or CNN, or
ABC or

553
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:50,820
John C Dvorak: anything, any of
the PBS NPR is

554
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,060
Adam Curry: whatever, the elite,
it's not the elitist voices of

555
00:31:54,060 --> 00:31:56,850
America. It's Twitter. So what
do you got your panties in a

556
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:57,510
bunch for

557
00:31:57,540 --> 00:32:01,230
Unknown: lay ground for these
extremists. And it's become

558
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:04,920
increasingly difficult to get
any sort of reliable information

559
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,160
on there. And instead, it's just
flooded with hate, bigotry lies.

560
00:32:08,490 --> 00:32:10,710
And it's really unfortunate
that,

561
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:14,430
John C Dvorak: by the way, what
she's saying is going to draw

562
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:17,310
it, get it get more users. Well,

563
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,700
Adam Curry: so this is what's
interesting about media matters.

564
00:32:20,910 --> 00:32:25,260
They don't care about the Jew
hate, they just hate Elon, and

565
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,560
they hate Twitter, because it's
no longer their playground.

566
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,820
Remember, when they had the
backdoor, and the government can

567
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,820
just call them up and say, hey,
those guys are wrong. They're

568
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:38,940
saying it wrong. They get
misinformation, take them off,

569
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:42,120
cut them down, get rid of all
that. Remember when journalists

570
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,960
had the blue checkmarks, the urn
checkmarks. When we ruled the

571
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,190
roost, that's her problem. And
this DW douche agrees with

572
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:52,080
Unknown: that I want to bring in
now and Julie really

573
00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:55,620
sorry, that's wrong. One, three,
this one? Yeah. I

574
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:58,020
say you know, you can't even use
it around your kids. Now you

575
00:32:58,020 --> 00:32:59,400
have, you know, maybe they
should read name. It

576
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,310
wants to stop. But listen, yeah,
I

577
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:04,710
say, you know, you can't even
use it around your kids. Now you

578
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:07,470
have, you know, maybe they
should read name, X to triple X.

579
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:08,640
I mean, it's gotten that bad.

580
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:12,420
Adam Curry: We should rename a
triple X, blah, blah, blah.

581
00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:15,900
John C Dvorak: Implying you can
use your own kids because it's

582
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,490
loaded with porn. Yes,

583
00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:20,550
Adam Curry: it's full of porn.
It's and she'll agree and must.

584
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,840
It's true. And he will tell you
that it's true. It's true. It

585
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,350
should be triple x. And this is
all in the name of free speech.

586
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:32,370
I'm wondering is that dirty free
speech now should be labeled

587
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:33,330
Triple X.

588
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,450
Unknown: Really? All it is? I
mean, What's he trying to do by

589
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,560
amplifying anti semitic tweets?
I mean, I'm not asking you to

590
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,150
get into his mind. But can you
see a purpose here?

591
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:50,070
Adam Curry: What's the purpose?
What is the purpose? I,

592
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:52,710
Unknown: again, as you're
saying, I can't get into Elon

593
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:56,970
Musk's head. All I can say is
that the consequences the

594
00:33:56,970 --> 00:34:01,800
financial hits that the platform
has taken due to his leadership

595
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,780
and his own behavior has not
changed. The way that He has

596
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:07,320
acted

597
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:10,380
Adam Curry: is not working.
Everything we're trying is not

598
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:12,900
working. We're trying to take
his fun to give them financial

599
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:14,790
hits. It's not working.

600
00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:17,910
John C Dvorak: Oh my gosh, as as
a propagandist. She missed an

601
00:34:17,910 --> 00:34:22,320
opportunity there. What was that
when you say because of his

602
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,130
leadership, you at that point
you're supposed to say or lack

603
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:27,690
thereof of would

604
00:34:27,689 --> 00:34:30,239
Adam Curry: have been so good.
Yes. Yeah. Well, Linda Yeah,

605
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,019
Karina was the pain sponge.
She's She he's the one that

606
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,729
everyone gets the yellow. Okay.
So again, this is this is very

607
00:34:38,729 --> 00:34:41,729
interesting what's going on
here? He the financial hits,

608
00:34:41,969 --> 00:34:44,159
because you know, even though
it's a private company, it's

609
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,099
just obvious that how can he be
how can you do this? I mean, how

610
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:48,149
long can you fund this

611
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:52,590
Unknown: has not changed the way
that he has acted? I think you

612
00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:56,010
know, and to your to your
earlier point about it being not

613
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:59,610
not a safe place for kids
anymore. It used to be

614
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,570
Adam Curry: not as safe place
for kids anymore? I haven't

615
00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:08,400
heard this accusation. Is it not
a safe space safe place for

616
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,090
kids?

617
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,830
John C Dvorak: I don't know this
Oh, no. This what they're

618
00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:15,870
talking about is bullcrap. Yeah.

619
00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:17,820
Adam Curry: But this this
reasons for kids

620
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:21,510
Unknown: anymore. It used to be,
you know, while while it's

621
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:25,320
always had issues, no social
media platform hasn't, it used

622
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,530
to be at least a good place that
you could get information? Oh,

623
00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:28,770
no,

624
00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:30,600
Adam Curry: it was never a good
place for information.

625
00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:34,020
Unknown: And you could make, you
know, find reliable information

626
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,670
and reliable information.

627
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:39,360
Adam Curry: Really, you see,
this is the problem. Media

628
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,050
Matters is pissed, because it's
their job to make sure that

629
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:48,060
whatever the message is from the
state has to be reliable

630
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:51,480
information, it's their job to
make sure everything is clean.

631
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,290
And the and the commute the
channel is clear. And it used to

632
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:59,070
be so good before Ilan. Yeah,
that's why he fired all those

633
00:35:59,070 --> 00:36:02,250
jokes, who were embedded with a
government firm

634
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:05,310
Unknown: hasn't, it used to be
at least a good place that you

635
00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:08,370
could get information and you
could make, you know, find

636
00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:13,380
reliable information. And again,
this is stuff that Musk has, you

637
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:18,240
know, dismantled and instead has
created a an incentive structure

638
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:20,910
to spread missing
disinformation, people need to

639
00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:24,330
buy the blue checkmarks that
used to be used to verify

640
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360
accounts so that you knew that
the account spreading, you know,

641
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,060
posting was who they said that
they were that you could make a

642
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:33,210
decision about whether or not
they were credible. Now it is

643
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:38,580
anybody who wants to pay for his
subscription to checkmark, they

644
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:44,190
get to say what they want and
incentive now. Things go viral,

645
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:48,150
because if they get engagement,
they get paid. And we've seen

646
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:52,890
that really have a dramatic
impact in the ability to get

647
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:56,220
reliable information during
times of crisis, let alone just

648
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:57,150
on a day to day basis.

649
00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:00,000
Adam Curry: I'm sorry, if you
need to get reliable. Whenever

650
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,120
there's times of crisis, I go to
Twitter to get my reliable

651
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,320
information. This has always
made sense to me. Let's wrap

652
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,080
this up with her. true motive.
Yeah, that's true. I

653
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,330
Unknown: mean, it used to be a
place where you know, the

654
00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:15,330
adults. Now it's a place where
the oh, it used to be where the

655
00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:17,610
adults would go, John, the
adults, the adults would go to

656
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:21,420
Twitter. I mean, it used to be a
place where the adults would go

657
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:24,240
and now it's over the because
you know, me is from the

658
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,130
mainstream media where the
adults in the room,

659
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:31,470
entertainment industry goes a
lot of the times is money is

660
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:36,180
that the only way we can hold
these platforms accountable.

661
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,910
Adam Curry: Now, here comes the
threat to everybody for what's

662
00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:39,750
on their

663
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:42,210
Unknown: platforms. I know
legally, they're not liable for

664
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:46,230
the content. But at the end of
the day, they do provide a day

665
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:47,040
all the hate.

666
00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:51,300
Yes, this is true. I think Media
Matters. One of the things that

667
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:57,330
we have tried to do is undermine
the profit motive, structure

668
00:37:57,330 --> 00:38:00,270
that kind of incentivizes
extremism on platforms Hold

669
00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:03,120
Adam Curry: on a second,
dedicated to comprehensively

670
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,330
monitoring, analyzing and
correcting conservative

671
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:11,400
misinformation in the US media
has now turned into Oh, yeah, I

672
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,130
Unknown: think Media Matters,
one of the things that we have

673
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:19,770
tried to do is undermine the
profit motive, you no structure

674
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:23,790
that kind of incentivizes
extremism on platforms, thinking

675
00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:27,660
that, you know, if you can stop
making it so profitable for

676
00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:31,080
people to spread hate speech,
that you could kind of reduce

677
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,800
some of at least the volume of
it, that is permeating on the

678
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,420
platforms, this doesn't sound

679
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:38,280
Adam Curry: like they're holding
to their mission, they're trying

680
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,710
to hit them in the finances. And

681
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Unknown: I think platforms
themselves and most of them are

682
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:47,790
responsive to this, you know, if
advertisers do not want their

683
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:51,060
content, their advertisements
appearing next to controversial

684
00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:54,780
content, you know, they will
take a stand and they should

685
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:58,110
take a stand, I think in the
case of musk key has been

686
00:38:58,110 --> 00:39:03,420
bleeding advertisers, since he
took over the platform, not just

687
00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:06,810
because of the decisions that
he's made and what the content

688
00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:09,330
on the site is, but just things
that he has done himself, you

689
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:13,500
know, he's fairly erratic, and
they have not provide as a brand

690
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:19,050
safe platform for advertisers.
And I don't think for him that

691
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:21,660
that has been, you know, a
motivating factor, as I

692
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,960
mentioned earlier, to change his
behavior to change how he's

693
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,290
running the platforms, but it is
for others. So I think that

694
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:30,690
other platforms are paying
attention and should

695
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,520
go pay attention

696
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,410
John C Dvorak: other plant Oh,
that's interesting. You're

697
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:35,460
right. Threat.

698
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,440
Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
We're gonna we're gonna hit you

699
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,050
where it hurts with your
advertisers, other platforms?

700
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:46,080
Yeah. It's, it's been, I guess
it's okay for them to do that. I

701
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,650
mean, Musk has said, I'm filing
lawsuits, and what kind of

702
00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:52,500
lawsuit is going to fall?
They're mean, they're mean to my

703
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:57,210
advertisers. I don't think he
cares. He just wants to keep

704
00:39:57,210 --> 00:39:59,970
everybody engaged and if it
means he has to jump on that

705
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,260
Rene every every time that's
what he does. I think it's fine.

706
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:09,240
I have one more of these from
CNN. I just like saying Poppy

707
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:09,990
hair Harlow

708
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:13,500
Unknown: God let's go from one
hate to another one hate to

709
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:14,040
another

710
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,340
Adam Curry: ah remember when
hate was just not profitable

711
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,170
it's just profitable now

712
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:24,570
Unknown: hate being spread
online and that is the fact that

713
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:31,110
the owner of X formally Twitter
Elon Musk has endorsed this

714
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:35,130
claim that Jewish communities
push quote hatred against whites

715
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:38,250
I think we can pull up the tweet
and then you can see here's the

716
00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:40,740
tweet okay Jewish communities
have been pushing Stop

717
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:44,640
John C Dvorak: stop stop
stopping Is this a woman or a

718
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,000
man talking this poppies Poppy
Harlow? So that's Poppy Harlow

719
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:55,980
She sounds like like pre pews.
Pre pubescent dude. I'm glad you

720
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,230
are a kid. A teenager boy.

721
00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:01,350
Adam Curry: Glad we stopped the
clip for that. Poppy

722
00:41:01,350 --> 00:41:03,300
John C Dvorak: Man is Man
listening. Hey, wait a minute.

723
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:08,370
Adam Curry: I just just who
calls her kid Poppy? I mean, if

724
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:10,260
all the names you considered for
your kids, maybe

725
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:12,510
John C Dvorak: that's a wink
wink nudge that Poppy like, hey,

726
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:15,540
Poppy, Poppy there. Yeah. Oh,
you know pops a pops.

727
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:17,760
Unknown: And you can see here's
a tweet, okay. Jewish

728
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,100
communities have been pushing
the exact kind of dialectical

729
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:22,950
hatred against whites that they
claim to one without

730
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:25,200
Adam Curry: the context of what
that guy was responding to. It's

731
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,970
just bad journalism stop

732
00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:29,730
Unknown: using against them and
Musk's responses, you have said

733
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:32,250
the actual truth era. It

734
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,540
continues to be outrageous and
shocking, but no longer

735
00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:39,660
surprise. yake Elon Musk,
depending on the day of the

736
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:43,800
week, is the richest person on
the planet would continue to

737
00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:47,490
sort of spread this kind of
poison. And then wonder why.

738
00:41:47,580 --> 00:41:49,770
Number one, he's losing a lot of
advertisers. Number two, he's

739
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:52,230
losing a lot of users. And
number three,

740
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:55,860
John C Dvorak: I hate I hate to
be doing this guy sounds just

741
00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:58,050
like Kabuto I think it

742
00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:04,290
Unknown: is Kobudo kudos on Fox.
Oh, who is it? Then? Let me see

743
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:06,360
if I have a he

744
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,450
John C Dvorak: sounds exactly
like Vito, and she sounds like a

745
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:10,560
teenage boy. This

746
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,330
Adam Curry: is Errol Lewis, I
think Aaron Lewis and

747
00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:16,740
Unknown: and then wonder why.

748
00:42:16,830 --> 00:42:18,990
Number one, he's losing a lot of
advertisers. Number two, he's

749
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:23,070
losing a lot of users. And
number three, he is sort of

750
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:26,490
demeaning the whole role of
social media that what started

751
00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:27,000
out and what

752
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:34,860
John C Dvorak: didn't meaning
the role of social social media

753
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:36,210
has a role. Yes, it's

754
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:39,270
Adam Curry: the spread memes
that's the only role it has.

755
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,230
What do you do you'd say that
well, that's what it is. He's

756
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:46,620
demeaning the role which I think
is going to come back to you

757
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:48,510
know, news in a crisis but

758
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:51,330
Unknown: demeaning the whole
role of social media that what

759
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:55,470
started out in what used to be
in the pre mask era sort of a

760
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:58,290
great place to connect with
people and get information is

761
00:42:58,290 --> 00:42:59,100
now turning into so it's

762
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,280
become it's become a cesspool
and enormous amount of value

763
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,760
destruction but because there is
actually it's important to have

764
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,100
standards it is important you
know, you can say you want a

765
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,160
free speech Utopia but with all
the sudden you pull the goalie

766
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:13,410
when it comes to actually
tracking disinformation and

767
00:43:13,410 --> 00:43:14,040
misinformation

768
00:43:14,430 --> 00:43:19,650
Adam Curry: those goalie isn't
that isn't that a sex term for

769
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,000
removing the condom

770
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:25,440
John C Dvorak: Oh, I've never
heard that but it makes nothing

771
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,970
but sense for it to be such

772
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Adam Curry: Oh um I think this
pulled

773
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,130
John C Dvorak: holy Oh, this is
off the condom dude here pull

774
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,100
Adam Curry: Urban Dictionary
pulling the goalie usually in

775
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,100
reference to a married couple
pulling the goalie means to stop

776
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,520
the use of contraceptive devices
in the hopes of conceiving a

777
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:48,990
child derived from the hockey
term what does this guy do what

778
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:51,360
does he may have kids soon?
Congratulate

779
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,520
John C Dvorak: maybe didn't get
about two things at the same

780
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,880
time. Maybe he's like concerned
his wife can conceive

781
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,010
Adam Curry: maybe he's just a
hockey player, I don't

782
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:01,290
John C Dvorak: realize seems
unlikely.

783
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:05,400
Unknown: It's become a cesspool
and enormous amount of value

784
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,850
destruction. But because it is
actually it's important to have

785
00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:11,220
standards and is important. You
know, you can say you want a

786
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:14,280
free speech utopia. But with all
the sudden you pull the goalie

787
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:16,530
when it comes to actually
tracking disinformation and

788
00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:20,190
misinformation, and you have an
enormous amount of sort of bots

789
00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:22,800
and trolls dominating a
platform, then real civic

790
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,310
conversation goes down. And Musk
is Musk is actually you know,

791
00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:29,880
showing his cards as to what's
happened with this platform.

792
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:30,210
Yeah,

793
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,090
yeah. When they show you who
they are, believe them, believe

794
00:44:33,090 --> 00:44:33,570
them. Oh, yeah.

795
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,670
Adam Curry: When they show you
who they are, believe them,

796
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:39,510
believe him, believe him. So
this is this, of course has

797
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:44,160
started quite a lot of
discussions, discussions with

798
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,040
social media platforms,
including the tiktoks a

799
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:51,360
Unknown: lot of conversations
amongst my Jewish friends. Oh,

800
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,070
Adam Curry: that's sorry, that's
not what I was looking for.

801
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:59,100
Unknown: I have sorry about
that. The this one here it is.

802
00:44:59,340 --> 00:45:01,440
All of this puts yet another
spotlight on the issue of

803
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,350
moderating content at a time of
war. The New York Times is now

804
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,560
reporting overnight this letter
to America came up during a

805
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,680
private meeting Wednesday night
in which Jewish celebrities and

806
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,980
creators confronted Tiktok
executives about doing more to

807
00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:16,710
fight anti semitism on that
platform. According to a

808
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:19,620
recording obtained by The Times
Tiktok tells us in a statement,

809
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:23,010
leadership has been meeting with
creators and experts and others

810
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:26,160
for feedback on how tick tock
can remain a place for community

811
00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:28,170
discovery and sharing
authentically.

812
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:31,890
Adam Curry: Hey, man, don't get
any of that Elon juice on us,

813
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:35,850
man. We're good. We're good,
bro. But good. Would you good?

814
00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:40,230
Would you win on it? We don't
worry any bad stuff. Was it not

815
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:47,310
a note? No. You said on the last
show. Something came up about it

816
00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:49,890
must have been a clip that kids
were getting their news from Tik

817
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:50,430
Tok.

818
00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:55,500
John C Dvorak: Right. So once we
was somebody made the comment

819
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,920
that new kids are Canada New
Zealand, tick tock. And then I

820
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,380
think jointly we decided that
from the kids perspective, the

821
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:08,550
gossip and crap that's on tick
tock represents news.

822
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:12,600
Adam Curry: So we got a note
from one of our Gen Z producers

823
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:15,480
I'd like to share because the
Gen Z are also gave us some

824
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
examples. I'm a 21 year old
listener of the show, not a

825
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,270
douche bag. Nice and an avid Tik
Tok user. As you and John have

826
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,000
pointed out numerous times on
the show much of my generation

827
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,180
gets their news and information
about current events sources on

828
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:33,600
tick tock. Although many media
outlets outlets such as Sky

829
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,570
News, CBS, MSNBC and all the
usual suspects put their

830
00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:40,260
coverage of current events on
tick tock in short, and often

831
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:43,050
dumbed down clips, they don't
seem to gain much traction

832
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:46,800
instead, certain people on tick
tock have become what I like to

833
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,090
call iPhone journalists who put
out rapid fire breakdowns of

834
00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:54,120
current events and developments
that are catering to Gen Z's

835
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:57,360
incredibly short attention
spans. I've included a couple of

836
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,990
links to some examples. These
individuals are essentially an

837
00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:04,590
influencer version of large news
conglomerates, but since they

838
00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:07,680
are just one person see more
trustworthy and honest than

839
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,010
traditional media, kind of like
your buddy who's in the know,

840
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,070
and is just relaying
information. All of this, in my

841
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:17,190
opinion has resulted in much of
my generation developing a false

842
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:20,010
sense of being informed, and
many of them just having a

843
00:47:20,010 --> 00:47:23,400
surface level understanding of
things. In summary, Tik Tok is

844
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,060
saturated with anecdotal
information in very short, rapid

845
00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:30,330
fire format that is presented as
fact, while almost no real

846
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:33,660
evidence is being cited as
source, and when evidence is

847
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:37,800
being cited is just an article
from a big media outlet. And he

848
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,470
gave us three examples all about
a minute, would you like to hear

849
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:40,830
some?

850
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,440
John C Dvorak: I would love it.
Okay,

851
00:47:43,470 --> 00:47:46,860
Adam Curry: we kick it off with
the first iPhone journalist on

852
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:49,140
Tiktok. Nick Jackson, this is

853
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:50,640
Unknown: everything that
happened on the news today, but

854
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,520
it's going to be simplified in
60 seconds. People are now mind

855
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,920
blown after discovering what the
white dots on strawberries

856
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,810
actually are. A lot of people
don't know this. But

857
00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:00,330
strawberries are actually not
scientifically a fruit or a

858
00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:02,640
berry. A lot of people think
that the little white dots that

859
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,070
are all over strawberries are
the seeds. But the little white

860
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:08,130
dots are actually the fruit part
of the plant. That's crazy.

861
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,890
Citizen Scientists bought a
close approaching asteroid

862
00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:13,260
professionals might have missed
basically, there's been a lot of

863
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:15,570
studies going on, they've opened
this up to the public so that

864
00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:18,150
regular people can like monitor
this information. And they

865
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:20,610
caught this asteroid because of
a blurring line and one of the

866
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,040
images and obviously it's a
moving object because the

867
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,470
exposure, this asteroid is not
going to be anywhere close to

868
00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:27,780
hitting us at all. So don't
worry, time travel. It's just

869
00:48:27,780 --> 00:48:30,240
been completely ruled out for
good by scientists. The whole

870
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,730
theory with this article is that
scientists are saying that time

871
00:48:32,730 --> 00:48:35,400
is always moving forward.
Therefore there's no way to take

872
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,460
it back or move backwards.
Sounds weird. DoorDash is now

873
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:41,400
issuing a strong warning against
customers who do not choose to

874
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,650
tip they basically made an
announcement and said that if

875
00:48:43,650 --> 00:48:46,080
you do not tip on your orders,
they're less likely to be picked

876
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,510
up and your order might take
forever to get to you obviously

877
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:50,610
with all of the fees on DoorDash
and everything. A lot of people

878
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:52,920
are upset but a lot of people
also do agree with this. So let

879
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,440
me know what you think an expert
just discovered that a venus

880
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,050
flytrap can eat human tissue and
if you're like me, you're

881
00:48:58,050 --> 00:49:00,690
wondering how in the world they
tested that the man who owns

882
00:49:00,690 --> 00:49:03,150
this plant has a case of
athlete's foot and he took a

883
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:06,150
chunk of his toe and gave it to
the plant and it did digest

884
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:18,060
Adam Curry: I love this talk.
All right. Now this guy does

885
00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:22,980
under the desk news. He he has
his hair all spiked up kind of

886
00:49:22,980 --> 00:49:31,140
like Something About Mary, you
know, with the with the Jesus in

887
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:35,610
his hair all spiked up and he's
on the ground under his desk and

888
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,780
under the desk news delivering
the news to us. And in this

889
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:42,630
case, it's important news about
climate change.

890
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:46,260
Unknown: Climate change is
messing up the beer y'all. Yes,

891
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:50,100
those frothy IPAs and European
pilsners are hitting a wall and

892
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,520
in decline and it's all because
of climate change. A new study

893
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,970
shows that European hops which
gives beer its bitter taste is

894
00:49:56,970 --> 00:50:00,330
in decline. Hops is one of the
four crucial ingredie tends to

895
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:03,600
making beer. And now hotter,
longer, drier summers are

896
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,660
severely affecting the quality
of that crop. And it's going to

897
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:09,360
lead to beer being more
expensive and not as good

898
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,530
tasting. And I can't go much
lower. All right, I got priced

899
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:16,830
out of whiskey when that market
got super hot, we got priced out

900
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:19,950
of wine when the wildfires in
California started eradicating

901
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:23,430
whole vineyards. And that drove
up the cost of wine. And now

902
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:27,300
beer to the inflation Reduction
Act is the largest investment

903
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:32,250
and climate action in US history
that includes $369 billion in

904
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:36,090
investments for climate and
clean energy projects, mostly in

905
00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:38,880
tax credits towards renewable
energy that can help us be less

906
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,260
dependent on fossil fuels.

907
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:43,740
But does he have anything there
to protect the brewskis? Because

908
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:47,070
I hope so. We laugh so that we
don't cry. I mean, this is an

909
00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:50,220
incredibly serious topic, and
whether having a massive effect

910
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:53,820
on our agriculture is not funny.
Despite the recent acceleration

911
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:55,890
of climate change, we are still
in the driver's seat, and we

912
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:58,410
still can make change. So I know
it can be really depressing out

913
00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:00,480
there when you keep hearing bad
news, but we have to keep

914
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,900
drying, the future of climate is
still up to us to decide.

915
00:51:04,110 --> 00:51:06,570
John C Dvorak: Okay, and the
final I have a make a comment.

916
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,350
Yes, yes, yes. First of all, the
guy's not gay enough.

917
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:12,510
Adam Curry: We need to coach
him.

918
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,440
John C Dvorak: So the second
thing is the hops are very where

919
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,730
we used to have some of the
biggest hop places were in, I

920
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:24,000
think Moran or Sonoma County
used to be a town called hop

921
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,410
land is in there. And it used to
be where he and Hopkins are

922
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:32,130
still around from the I think
from the 18th during the 1900s,

923
00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:37,200
eight late 1800s. And hops are
interesting because they kind of

924
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:41,550
go into it. They grow them a lot
and they were out there welcome.

925
00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:45,900
Something happens in the next
you can't grow hops around here

926
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:48,240
anymore, even though it used to
it has nothing to do with Are

927
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,280
Adam Curry: you disputing
climate change?

928
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,500
John C Dvorak: And disputing the
thesis so and so hops are now I

929
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,530
hear about hops being grown here
and there and places whether you

930
00:51:58,530 --> 00:52:02,820
never heard of them. They're all
rare and great. But no, the

931
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,940
hops, anything about hops as
you're dealing with a screwball

932
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:06,480
plant.

933
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:09,960
Adam Curry: Our final clip is
only 31 seconds long and it's

934
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,070
from an old favorite. Who we've
kind of lost track of do we

935
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:15,960
remember Philip DeFranco?

936
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:19,800
John C Dvorak: Philip DeFranco
This

937
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:25,710
Adam Curry: is when I want to
say what was the what was the

938
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:32,700
video thing that vine vines?
Vine, Twitter had vine? Vines?

939
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,010
John C Dvorak: Yeah, his short
video, and that was gonna be the

940
00:52:35,010 --> 00:52:39,540
big killer. Well, it would have
been, they couldn't stay with

941
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:40,080
it. It

942
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,710
Adam Curry: was Tik Tok until
they didn't like it. The road is

943
00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:47,610
littered with mistakes like
that. Philip DeFranco was this

944
00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:50,400
fast talking? You know, he was
one of the first guys to do the

945
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,670
chop the chop cut of all of his
stuff. When you hear maybe

946
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:57,420
you'll remember and he's he is
now on Tik Tok doing his doing

947
00:52:57,420 --> 00:52:58,800
his shtick. China

948
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,600
Unknown: and Australia had a
meeting and there are leaders

949
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,910
who are essentially risen each
other up she told the Australian

950
00:53:02,910 --> 00:53:05,640
Prime Minister that Tasmanian
devils were cute and Albert EC

951
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,580
responded by saying they weren't
as cute as pandas. And then she

952
00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:11,220
apparently said that not all
pandas are cute citing the Kung

953
00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:14,130
Fu Panda movies so two walls are
poorly debated wine and its

954
00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:16,530
quality was using that he
visited New Zealand and that the

955
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:19,320
wine was good and Albany's. He's
saying that he asserted that the

956
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,840
best red wine comes from
Australia. How about easy saying

957
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,060
the exchange was very warm. And
I mean, I heard they may have

958
00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:26,610
even sat next to each other in
the booth. I'm also far there's

959
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:29,310
no word on if a second day will
be happening. Follow to stay in

960
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:29,640
the loop.

961
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,960
There you go. There you go.
Terrible.

962
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:34,620
John C Dvorak: Yeah,

963
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:38,940
Adam Curry: that's what I'm just
taking our Gen Z boots on the

964
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:43,380
ground at his word. That that is
what this generation is using

965
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:43,770
for news

966
00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:46,560
John C Dvorak: guys have I bet
even that last guy, I'm sure

967
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,810
their numbers are huge. Oh,

968
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:50,850
Adam Curry: of course,
especially Philip DeFranco. He's

969
00:53:50,850 --> 00:53:53,880
had quite a following for a long
time. Yeah. And disgrace easy.

970
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,310
tz. Oh, now I know what's going
on. That's good. So good.

971
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:05,850
John C Dvorak: To have you I
hope you said we have a way to

972
00:54:05,850 --> 00:54:08,820
segue out of that because I
can't think anything. Well,

973
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:13,890
Adam Curry: I can only segue
into Altman. Sam

974
00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:16,860
John C Dvorak: Altman. Oh, yes,
yes, yes. Yes, I am. I think I

975
00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:18,270
asked him. Oh, yes. I

976
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:19,860
Adam Curry: want to start with
your clips. But I have a

977
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:23,610
question first for you quite an
ask John. We don't have clips

978
00:54:23,610 --> 00:54:28,950
for that. It's an ask John. And
I just want to ask you, as

979
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:32,850
someone who has reported
extensively been around, been in

980
00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:35,940
the milieu, so to speak, of
Silicon Valley and silicon

981
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,240
Silicon Valley companies. Can
you recall a time when a board

982
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,750
fired a CEO of a company that
went from zero to some say $80

983
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:54,840
billion valuation with 49%
ownership by Microsoft who

984
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,350
invested $10 billion, which
helped with the valuation

985
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,480
without even telling their
largest shareholder, and then

986
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,720
apparently is at trying to get
him back. Have you ever heard of

987
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:09,720
this happening in Silicon
Valley? Not

988
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,210
John C Dvorak: with the part
about not telling the largest

989
00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:15,720
shareholder but it's I mean, the
firing of Steve Jobs is very

990
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,620
similar. When he was first fired
from Apple,

991
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:22,800
Adam Curry: yeah, but But it
wasn't like that Apple was had

992
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,600
problems. Open AI is nothing but
hockey stick up. I mean,

993
00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:28,980
valuation. So

994
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:31,770
John C Dvorak: we're having
dinner last Friday. And JC is in

995
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,160
the AI business with some
companies working with which is,

996
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:39,870
yes, but AI company, and he's
ended up so he would have a

997
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:43,050
better handle on this. And he
says nobody really knows. They

998
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:45,930
think it has something to do
with the transfer from being a

999
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:48,930
private company to a public
company. And something was

1000
00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:53,640
screwed up in such a way that it
was like, there's some legal

1001
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,960
issues that were were
discovered, because Altman

1002
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,600
didn't know what he was doing at
that point to help that

1003
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,610
transition. That's what the
rumor is. And so he had to go

1004
00:56:05,610 --> 00:56:07,650
because of due diligence, you
had to get rid of him because

1005
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:12,810
he's made some some horrible
mistake in the process. Well, so

1006
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,440
it sounds like he lied. I mean,
that yes, it well, that would be

1007
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,100
the mistake. Well, the board the
board's language in their press

1008
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:24,690
release was that he had not been
consistently candid with the

1009
00:56:24,690 --> 00:56:28,830
board, which I think is his
couched code language for he

1010
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:30,270
lied. And then we

1011
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:33,810
Adam Curry: lightly Lee lied to
us. Yeah. Have you looked at the

1012
00:56:33,810 --> 00:56:34,260
board?

1013
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:37,200
Unknown: And we looked at the
people on the board.

1014
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:39,630
No, I haven't Oh, yeah.

1015
00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:41,610
Adam Curry: Who was on there?
There's a couple we'll talk

1016
00:56:41,610 --> 00:56:42,210
about the minute

1017
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:44,730
Unknown: we'll turd

1018
00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:49,140
Adam Curry: I mean, heard them
when that guy who was like, oh,

1019
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:52,170
yeah, I was CIA special agent.
He ran for president for a

1020
00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:55,710
little bit. Black guy from
Texas. What's

1021
00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:56,940
John C Dvorak: he doing on
there?

1022
00:56:56,970 --> 00:56:59,130
Adam Curry: Yeah, I got I will
talk about that. If we

1023
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,250
John C Dvorak: talk about seven
months, we'll get these clips

1024
00:57:02,250 --> 00:57:04,350
out of the way. So we have a
little background. Yes. Okay.

1025
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:04,830
The public

1026
00:57:04,830 --> 00:57:08,220
Unknown: face of the AI boom is
now jobless. This

1027
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:10,050
Adam Curry: who was this voice?
Now?

1028
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:15,600
John C Dvorak: This is one of
the new NPR guys. Now, again, my

1029
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,630
my understanding is I don't know
this to be a fact this is just

1030
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:22,020
supposition. But before you get
it now, when you they hire you

1031
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:25,470
at NPR, they actually take you
into an operating room to cut

1032
00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:29,970
Unknown: your balls off. CEO Sam
Altman co founded open AI, which

1033
00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:33,720
released the powerful chatbot
chat GPT last year, it

1034
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,870
revolutionized the tech world,
but late yesterday without

1035
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,260
providing many details. The
company said he'd been fired.

1036
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:43,740
The announcement leaves a lot of
questions unanswered and be Our

1037
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:46,710
tech correspondent Bobby Allen
is on the line to try and help

1038
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:49,470
us sort through some of them.
Hey, Bobby, Hey, Bobby, Scott.

1039
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:53,340
Thanks, guys. So AI and chat GPD
have gotten a lot of press. But

1040
00:57:53,340 --> 00:57:56,070
remind us about this key person
here. Sam Altman, who

1041
00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:58,260
is sure Yeah, Sam Altman.

1042
00:58:01,470 --> 00:58:05,640
Adam Curry: Oh, my gosh, sure.
Sure, yeah, sure.

1043
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:09,240
Unknown: Sam Altman is this 38
year old tech executive who co

1044
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,850
founded open AI about eight
years ago with a handful of

1045
00:58:11,850 --> 00:58:14,880
others, including Elon Musk,
actually. And the idea was to

1046
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,020
create a nonprofit research lab
focused on ethically developing

1047
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:22,530
artificial intelligence almost
like an answer to the profit

1048
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:26,790
driven ethos of big tech. And it
remained mostly quiet until last

1049
00:58:26,790 --> 00:58:29,790
year, when AI burst onto the
scene. As you mentioned, with

1050
00:58:29,790 --> 00:58:33,630
chat GPT, it quickly became the
fastest growing app ever. It

1051
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:36,810
separates on all sorts of
industries, publishing to

1052
00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:40,020
education to health care about
how the technology could be

1053
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:44,130
harnessed to upend how we are
live and work every day. And you

1054
00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:47,490
know, while Chad GPT became one
of the most viral tech products

1055
00:58:47,490 --> 00:58:50,850
in history, Sam Altman was
traveling around the world and

1056
00:58:50,850 --> 00:58:53,760
talking about AI. He testified
before Congress about the need

1057
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,660
for AI regulations. He became
the focal point of attacks from

1058
00:58:57,690 --> 00:59:01,680
Ai skeptics. Insurance got he
was the most sought after and

1059
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,410
one of the most powerful
executives in Silicon Valley.

1060
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,140
What do we know about why he was
pushed out? Yesterday, the

1061
00:59:07,140 --> 00:59:10,080
company's board released a
statement saying Altman, quote,

1062
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:13,710
was not consistently candid in
his communication with the Board

1063
00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:17,490
of Directors, but they stopped
short on giving details. Sam

1064
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,940
Altman was fired immediately.
Now, this was a surprise to the

1065
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:24,690
company's investors, employees,
and even Altman himself was

1066
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:25,560
taken aback.

1067
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,110
Adam Curry: I'm taking I'm
shocked have been fired. I'm

1068
00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:36,870
taken aback. I'm taken aback. So
I what I'm seeing everywhere is

1069
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:39,840
that they are working this
weekend to get him to have him

1070
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,690
come back to the company. I
don't know if that's

1071
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:45,330
John C Dvorak: true. But if
that's true, that would be

1072
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:49,410
because Microsoft said what are
you doing? Yep. Dan? Yeah,

1073
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,190
stepped in and said, Hey, we
want us to stay. I don't know

1074
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:54,900
what they're hot. What kind of a
threat they can make. They

1075
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,600
already put their money in but
they made some sort of threat.

1076
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:03,390
And that's my guess. And And now
they're scrambling. It seemed

1077
01:00:03,390 --> 01:00:06,840
pretty Cavalier the way they
does now this support and but I

1078
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,400
observed this. And some people
have noted it, that this was

1079
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:16,710
almost immediately after he gave
the speech at the APC, a big

1080
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:20,250
meetup in San Francisco was GE
and Biden and the rest

1081
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:22,170
Adam Curry: of them now it was
Was there a speech that was

1082
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:24,600
public? Because I don't recall I
can I

1083
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,640
John C Dvorak: tried. I've been
trying to find it, but I can't

1084
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,980
find it. Because maybe he said
something in there. That was

1085
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:31,710
not. No, that was bad. Oh, no,
here's

1086
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:34,620
Adam Curry: here's Well, I have
my thoughts. I think buzzkill

1087
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:39,030
Jr. is right. The one thing that
was just my initial thought,

1088
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:43,500
which there may be some truth to
it is, oh, my God, all his demos

1089
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,350
had been rigged. The shit
doesn't work. That's the first

1090
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:47,730
thing I thought, well,

1091
01:00:47,730 --> 01:00:49,920
John C Dvorak: that's the first
thing as someone with any

1092
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,070
experience with Silicon Valley,
that would be

1093
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,010
Adam Curry: like, Oh, my God,
oh, my God, it doesn't actually

1094
01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:57,030
work. The second thing

1095
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,810
John C Dvorak: that but but the
counter to that is so what was

1096
01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:02,700
that ever stopped anybody? Ah,

1097
01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:06,300
Adam Curry: well, that that
brought me to a different trip.

1098
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:08,970
Let me play the second clip. You
have another clip here? Yeah,

1099
01:01:08,970 --> 01:01:09,180
that's

1100
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,620
John C Dvorak: going on with
this. You know, this

1101
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:13,260
Unknown: all circles to
question. Okay, what exactly did

1102
01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:15,750
he do wrong? And that's
something we just can't answer

1103
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:19,350
right now, Scott. Now, I also
heard from the same sources that

1104
01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:22,800
Altman and the board gotten to a
disagreement shortly before his

1105
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:27,060
ouster over the balance between
keeping open AI products safe

1106
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:29,520
and, you know, pushing them out
to the public as fast as

1107
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,310
possible. In other words, you
know, Sam Altman wanted to keep

1108
01:01:32,310 --> 01:01:35,790
releasing more and more of these
powerful tools. And some board

1109
01:01:35,790 --> 01:01:37,890
members were worried that he was
downplaying the risks to

1110
01:01:37,890 --> 01:01:41,940
society. But, you know, I had
that confirmed that disagreement

1111
01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:44,610
is what triggered his firing.
But it's really hard to

1112
01:01:44,610 --> 01:01:47,460
overemphasize when I say that
it's the chatter of the tech

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01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:48,930
industry right now. Okay.

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01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:52,470
Adam Curry: That is, in fact,
what I think is exactly what

1115
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:57,480
happened. The board is very
deep. So first of all, this

1116
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,640
started as a nonprofit, a
nonprofit whose entire mission

1117
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:11,190
was to protect In fact, let me
pull up the open AI form 992

1118
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:16,980
described. Here it is, this is
from the IRS tax filing open AI.

1119
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:20,250
His mission is to build general
purpose artificial intelligence

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01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:23,580
that benefits humanity
unconstrained by a need to

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01:02:23,580 --> 01:02:28,530
generate financial return. Open
AI believes that artificial

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01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:31,440
intelligence technology has the
potential to have a profound

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01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,940
positive impact on the world. So
the company's goal is to develop

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,320
and responsibly deploy safe AI
technology, no pulling the

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,010
goalie, ensuring that its
benefits are as widely and

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:50,190
evenly distributed as possible.
So this was the original. There

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01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:53,370
is a nonprofit, this is The
Nonprofit it controls the for

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01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:57,870
profit entity, which is what
Microsoft invested in. In fact,

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01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:03,810
if you look at the at open AIS,
fundraise fundraising, they were

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01:03:03,810 --> 01:03:07,530
bringing in 10s of millions of
dollars. I'm going to scroll to

1131
01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:11,880
that page real quick here. I can
tell you over the past five

1132
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:18,810
years, where is it here? Here it
is 2017 33 million. I'm rounding

1133
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:27,660
up
2018 49,000,020 19 33,000,020 22,000,020 21 $3,000.

1134
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:33,360
So the nonprofit just basically
is just a board. Reid Hoffman's

1135
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:34,170
on the board.

1136
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,220
John C Dvorak: Schumpeter,
Trump. Well,

1137
01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:41,130
Adam Curry: it's idealogues. I'm
gonna give you the whole

1138
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:47,880
breakdown of board members
directors we have I've had to

1139
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,360
zoom in a little bit here. This
is this is from their form 990

1140
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,350
So may have changed Shavon
zyliss Gregory Brockman, who is

1141
01:03:55,350 --> 01:04:00,300
the who retired these a quit? He
says, Hey, man, you're firing

1142
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:07,470
Sam, I'm out. We'll heard Reed
Hoffman, Holden. karnofsky Adam

1143
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:12,600
D'Angelo, Tasha McCauley and
Helen toner. Now these two are

1144
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:20,490
the giveaways. They are both
students of the Oxford and a

1145
01:04:20,490 --> 01:04:26,580
literal product of Effective
Altruism. Do you remember

1146
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:27,810
Effective Altruism?

1147
01:04:28,110 --> 01:04:31,410
John C Dvorak: I think we broke
them down once. Whoa, I've

1148
01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:35,910
Adam Curry: gone very deep on
Effective Altruism, because this

1149
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:38,130
is exactly what this company
was.

1150
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:42,090
John C Dvorak: What are the last
names of these? Hell and I have

1151
01:04:42,090 --> 01:04:42,240
all

1152
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,980
Adam Curry: this information for
you. If you want to look it up

1153
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:48,720
while we're talking. That's
fine. It's Helen toner. She's

1154
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:54,900
the one that I'm going to do any
to Nar and Tasha McCauley. I

1155
01:04:54,930 --> 01:05:03,000
first So Helen toner was at the
effective altruism center, part

1156
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,260
of Oxford University in 2016, I
have a little clip so you can

1157
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:10,200
just listen to her babbling
about she's a young woman. Cool.

1158
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,200
Unknown: So as I'm sure you all
know, by now, Effective Altruism

1159
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,350
is about doing the most good you
can with the resources available

1160
01:05:16,350 --> 01:05:19,950
to you. And one strategy that
gets talked a lot and talked

1161
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:22,770
about a lot within AAA is
earning to give, which is, you

1162
01:05:22,770 --> 01:05:25,350
know, increasing the amount of
money you have access to, which

1163
01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:29,670
is one resource, so you can do
more good with that. But working

1164
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:33,930
in and helping lead and helping
to grow an organization is, I

1165
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:37,080
think, a way to grow most other
resources that you have access

1166
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,380
to. So by doing that, you can
grow the amount of time, talent,

1167
01:05:40,410 --> 01:05:44,670
attention, energy that you have
access to. So my hope is that

1168
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:47,790
this talk is relevant for anyone
who might want to found a

1169
01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:53,640
nonprofit, found a company lead
a team, grow a team, work in a

1170
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,620
team, any of that kind of thing.
That's my, that said, I'm not

1171
01:05:58,620 --> 01:06:00,990
focusing specifically on
collaborating in small groups.

1172
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,810
So for the Berkeley students
among you, I'm sorry, I wish I

1173
01:06:03,810 --> 01:06:06,450
could tell you everything you
need to know about how to do

1174
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:10,860
group projects, painlessly, but
I can't the most I can wish you

1175
01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:14,100
as professors who let you choose
your groups, or at least give

1176
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:15,660
you a peer feedback form. So

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01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:18,180
Adam Curry: keep this British
accent in mind as she was

1178
01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:23,550
speaking at, this was actually
the Effective Altruism group at

1179
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:27,720
Berkeley, your your, your
neighborhood 2016. Here's the

1180
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,790
same woman speaking five days
ago at the 80,000 hours

1181
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:36,510
Institute, which is another
Effective Altruism outfit.

1182
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,490
Unknown: Yeah, it does seem like
there's something quite odd to

1183
01:06:38,490 --> 01:06:41,010
talk about. It's not her,
obviously. But it really

1184
01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:43,530
emphasizes an arms race in a
technology that, as far as I can

1185
01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:46,080
tell, is predominantly used now
by kind of companies to like,

1186
01:06:46,110 --> 01:06:48,360
suggest videos for you to watch
and like music that you really

1187
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,000
gonna, like, far more than it's
been used for military purposes,

1188
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,040
at least as far as I can. I can
see at the moment, so you could

1189
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:54,420
agree with that. Yeah,

1190
01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:58,020
I do agree. And I think also in
general people, again, with the

1191
01:06:58,110 --> 01:07:01,200
overestimating the short term
effects, this is the same woman

1192
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,590
as this. I'm not focusing
specifically on collaborating in

1193
01:07:04,590 --> 01:07:07,950
small groups. Right now. The
machine learning systems that we

1194
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:11,190
have seems so poorly suited to
any kind of Battlefield use

1195
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:14,070
John C Dvorak: because she has
electroshock therapy between

1196
01:07:14,070 --> 01:07:15,000
then and now.

1197
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:17,280
Adam Curry: I'm telling you,
she's been sucked into Silicon

1198
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,700
Valley. She's been molded. She's
been she, I mean, listen to

1199
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:21,090
this, but

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01:07:21,090 --> 01:07:23,400
John C Dvorak: her cadence her
voice cadence is part of a

1201
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,270
different milieu than the
original voice cadence. Yes. And

1202
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:29,010
the British accents gone. Yes.

1203
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,040
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's
completely gone. She is. She has

1204
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:37,530
morphed into this AI expert. But
she still comes from the

1205
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:42,450
Effective Altruism background,
which is not Sam Altman, Sam

1206
01:07:42,450 --> 01:07:47,040
Altman. He comes from Y
Combinator, Sam Altman. He's the

1207
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,880
guy that said, Hey, we've
remember when Ilan left. Ilan

1208
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,280
left out of disgust. He said,
Hey, man, you're not doing what

1209
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,270
we do. AI is going to eat the
world. This is what Effective

1210
01:07:57,300 --> 01:08:01,770
Altruism is about. They believe
that it is their job to put

1211
01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:06,570
millions of dollars into
nonprofits, or into policy

1212
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:11,910
makers, pockets, politicians, so
that we can make regulations

1213
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:15,210
like the executive order that
they got out of Biden to protect

1214
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,530
human beings who have not even
been born yet from the evils of

1215
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,590
the world. I'm going to remind
you of this with a clip from

1216
01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:33,060
Episode 1605. You might remember
the France 24 Techno douche. And

1217
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:36,660
that is exactly the type of
person who was involved in what

1218
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:42,150
this techno douche, that France
24 is going to explain to us and

1219
01:08:42,150 --> 01:08:47,160
he's going to connect it to some
other techno dishes. This is how

1220
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:52,440
we connect Sam bank, Ben freed
and AI with the term Effective

1221
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:53,490
Altruism.

1222
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,680
Unknown: Joining me on the set
is our technology editor Peter

1223
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,880
O'Brien. Hello. What can you
tell us about the surprising

1224
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:05,250
links between these two events?
SBF and the UK is AI Summit,

1225
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:06,900
where they have in common? Yeah,
I

1226
01:09:06,900 --> 01:09:08,670
was wondering how we could link
these two together. And

1227
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:10,980
actually, there's there's a
simple way to do it. You may not

1228
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:14,370
have heard of it. But it's the
social movements called

1229
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:18,210
Effective Altruism. It's often
filled and it's increasingly

1230
01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:21,870
powerful. Now that power took a
hit when Sam Backman freed the

1231
01:09:21,870 --> 01:09:25,020
most high profile effective
Ultras and one of the movements

1232
01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:30,030
biggest donors fell from grace.
But as we've seen from the AI

1233
01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:33,630
summit in Bletchley Park this
week, we can see that effective

1234
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:36,300
outrageous talking points are
still making their way up the

1235
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:39,330
policy agenda. One in
particular, the potential for

1236
01:09:39,330 --> 01:09:43,500
artificial intelligence to cause
catastrophic harm or risk that

1237
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:47,220
would not be on the policy table
at all. Were it not for the work

1238
01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:50,010
of effective ultras? Now, I
should add a disclaimer here

1239
01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:53,910
that I've been briefly involved
in the movement in France. To

1240
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:56,640
some charities that are popular
among effective altruists.

1241
01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:58,860
Adam Curry: Now. He's never
going to mention them. But what

1242
01:09:58,860 --> 01:10:02,640
he's saying is effect of
altruism, people donate a lot of

1243
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,350
money for the good of humanity
for the good cause because we

1244
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:11,700
care about the world. That's
what Sam bank when freed, really

1245
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:14,880
should be accused of doing.
Thanks to the egging on of his

1246
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,120
parents, he was literally giving
it to his mother for Effective

1247
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,630
Altruism, which does a lot of
really good things, including

1248
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:23,880
this whole AI scam. How did

1249
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,180
Unknown: we get to the point
where Effective Altruism is

1250
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:29,880
producing one of the biggest
frauds in history, it's also

1251
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,680
becoming a major policy debate.

1252
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:35,220
Adam Curry: So policy is code
for politics. The only way

1253
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:37,320
Unknown: to really explain this
is to teach you back for the

1254
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,640
intellectual history of the
movement. So the founding of

1255
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,180
altruism is simple. And it's
persuasive. In order to do the

1256
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:49,230
most good with your time and
money. You shouldn't just think

1257
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:51,510
about your close circle of
friends and family, you

1258
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:54,150
shouldn't just think about your
community, your country, you

1259
01:10:54,150 --> 01:10:57,270
should really be taking into
consideration all humans, the

1260
01:10:57,270 --> 01:11:02,130
world will suffer in a similar
way. If Trump's president we all

1261
01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:04,890
suffer in a similar way. A
classic example of putting this

1262
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,670
into practice would be donating
money to local fire station. Oh,

1263
01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:09,750
Adam Curry: don't do that. Don't
don't

1264
01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:13,230
John C Dvorak: happen to Think
global act local. No, no, no.

1265
01:11:13,260 --> 01:11:16,200
Adam Curry: Yeah, hold on. It's
almost here. Pay local No, come

1266
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,190
on France douche.

1267
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:20,040
Unknown: Well, it will be using
the same amount of buy much more

1268
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:25,500
mosquito nets to protect people.
Rather than just carry about

1269
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:28,050
humorous effects about tourists
quickly realized that the same

1270
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,840
principle should be applied to
anything that can suffer, right?

1271
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:35,610
So that could write an animal
that could be a wild animal. A

1272
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:40,950
human not alive today, a future
human in the future. So that's

1273
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:43,560
where we get to this situation
where there are lots of

1274
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,470
effective artists today who are
also long term ISTS. That means

1275
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:50,580
people who are considered wild
animals that don't yet exist,

1276
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,080
but could exist in the future.

1277
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:55,860
John C Dvorak: So this is this
is the oh my god this I'm

1278
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:59,100
getting Clip of the Day for
this. Thank you pieces show.

1279
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:00,360
Yeah, they put that in there.

1280
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:07,920
Adam Curry: Somewhere. So So
here's what I think happened.

1281
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:12,420
These are this board is all
they're all most of them are

1282
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:16,260
these effective altruists. They
totally believe in this stuff.

1283
01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:19,500
And by the way, a lot of weird
sex stuff going on in this the

1284
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:23,310
economist that the economist did
articles on it, that you know,

1285
01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:27,330
they have these poly cules the
same thing Sam Backman fried had

1286
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:33,240
in the Bahamas. This is going on
in San Francisco. This is Time

1287
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,990
Magazine. Effective Altruism
promises to do good better.

1288
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:40,620
These women say it has a toxic
culture of sexual harassment and

1289
01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:46,380
abuse. And let's see she this
woman she noticed the EAA

1290
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:49,470
members in the Bay Area seem to
work together live together and

1291
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:53,160
sleep together, often in
polyamorous sexual relationship

1292
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,850
with complex professional
dynamics. Three times in one

1293
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,750
year she says men at informal
EAA gatherings tried to convince

1294
01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:05,070
her to join the so called poly
cules. When she said she wasn't

1295
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:08,910
interested, they would shame her
or try to pressure her casting

1296
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:12,900
monogamy as a lifestyle governed
by jealousy and polyamory as a

1297
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:18,570
more enlightened and rational
approach. Yeah, and so Sam bank

1298
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:18,690
as

1299
01:13:19,650 --> 01:13:22,140
John C Dvorak: well love these
old sale these pictures go back

1300
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:23,550
to the 50s but

1301
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:28,200
Adam Curry: bagman freed was it
mean and these women, they also

1302
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,610
were connected to Alameda. The
Alameda people came from this

1303
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:38,760
Oxford Effective Altruism group.
And they were using Alameda as

1304
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,560
the as the gateway from stealing
the billions of dollars from

1305
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,710
investors and giving it to
Effective Altruism. There. You

1306
01:13:46,710 --> 01:13:49,950
have Sam Backman, screeds
parents, who were like, Oh, yes,

1307
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:53,430
Effective Altruism put me on the
payroll for a million dollars

1308
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:56,940
and put millions of dollars into
my super PAC so we can stop

1309
01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:59,730
Donald Trump to protect future
humans.

1310
01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:02,040
John C Dvorak: So this year,
he's a threat to democracy.

1311
01:14:02,670 --> 01:14:05,700
Adam Curry: I mean, it's
unbelievable how deep this goes.

1312
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:09,240
And I think that after the blow
up of bet Sam Backman freed and

1313
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,110
FTX like, holy crap, we got a
good thing going here. We can

1314
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:17,700
have Altman who went on stage, I
think it's before the xi

1315
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:22,110
meeting, and said, Oh, at Dev
day, hey, you know, it's not all

1316
01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:24,990
that dangerous. You can have an
app in my app store. And they

1317
01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:27,750
went, Oh, my God, everyone's
going to find out this thing is

1318
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:32,460
lame. This this thing is no it
doesn't really do that much.

1319
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,660
Listen to if you want to listen
to this toner woman a little

1320
01:14:36,660 --> 01:14:42,660
more, she's talking about AI and
she had the she here she went to

1321
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,940
John C Dvorak: do we have
pictures of these people? So

1322
01:14:44,940 --> 01:14:46,080
yeah, she

1323
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:49,170
Adam Curry: she looks like a
cute British, you know, pale

1324
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:53,100
chick. Helen toner is a member
of the National Security college

1325
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:57,150
futures Council as Director of
Strategy at Georgetown

1326
01:14:57,150 --> 01:15:01,920
Georgetown's Center for Security
and emerge Technology spook. She

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,220
previously worked as a senior
research analyst at the open

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01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:09,630
philanthropy project, where she
advised policy makers and grant

1329
01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:13,890
makers on AI policy and strategy
between working at open

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01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:17,520
philanthropy which I'm sure is
that not a sorrows? Deal? Sounds

1331
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,210
like it? I don't

1332
01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:20,910
John C Dvorak: think it is. But
it's one of the better should.

1333
01:15:21,210 --> 01:15:23,760
I'm looking at the background of
this stuff, too. And it seems to

1334
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,690
all stem from Sam banksman free
money. Yes.

1335
01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:29,250
Unknown: Listen to this.

1336
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:32,910
John C Dvorak: Between working
at Open your bank been freed

1337
01:15:32,910 --> 01:15:34,080
must have been a moron.

1338
01:15:34,230 --> 01:15:37,890
Adam Curry: He wasn't more he
was an artist. He they abused

1339
01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:43,530
him. He's in jail for being
abused by mainly his parents

1340
01:15:43,770 --> 01:15:46,170
here between working at open and
all these other people should be

1341
01:15:46,170 --> 01:15:49,230
in jail with him open
philanthropy and joining CSAT.

1342
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:54,750
Helen lived in Beijing, studying
the Chinese AI ecosystem. As a

1343
01:15:54,750 --> 01:15:57,840
research affiliate at Oxford
University Center for the

1344
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,800
governance of AI. Helen has
written for Foreign Affairs and

1345
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:07,020
other outlets on the national
security implications of CFR and

1346
01:16:07,020 --> 01:16:09,840
machine learning for China and
the United States as well as

1347
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,800
testifying before the US China
economic and security review

1348
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,950
commission. Maybe that's where
Altman said something wrong.

1349
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:21,480
Helen holds a BS C in chemical
engineering and a diploma in

1350
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:24,960
languages from the University of
Melbourne. So this is a

1351
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,980
programmed woman. So listen to
her human facts.

1352
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,920
Unknown: Right now, the machine
learning systems that we have

1353
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,400
seems so poorly suited to any
kind of Battlefield use because,

1354
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:38,280
you know, battlefields are
characterized by having highly

1355
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,500
dynamic environments highly
unpredictable, there's an

1356
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,410
adversary actively trying to
undermine your perception and

1357
01:16:43,410 --> 01:16:46,650
your decision making ability.
And the machine learning systems

1358
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:49,800
that we have are just so far
from ready for an environment

1359
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,560
like that. They really are
pretty brittle. They're

1360
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,710
pronounced a spoof, they do
unpredictable things for

1361
01:16:55,710 --> 01:17:00,450
confusing reasons. So I think
really centering AI weapons as a

1362
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,480
as the the core part of what
we're talking about, is

1363
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:04,950
definitely premature. Sounds

1364
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:07,440
Adam Curry: a little bit maybe
Sam was overhyping, this stuff.

1365
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:12,420
And everything is like a cult,
like you have to tie ties. You

1366
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:16,620
know, if you make under $50,000
a year, you have to give 1% to

1367
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:19,260
the Effective Altruism,
charities, the approved

1368
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:20,880
charities like the mosquito net,

1369
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:21,960
John C Dvorak: this is a cult.

1370
01:17:22,230 --> 01:17:25,020
Adam Curry: If you make up to
$50 million, you should be

1371
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:30,030
giving away 53% of all of your
money. It's a cult. It's a sex

1372
01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:35,250
cult. These people are weird,
and they're on the board here.

1373
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,560
They're on the board and Altman
and now I'm actually thinking

1374
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,010
Altman might be a pretty good
guy. Because Because he's like,

1375
01:17:41,010 --> 01:17:43,620
hey, I can make money with this
thing. We got Microsoft in here

1376
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:46,350
we got billions of dollars.
Okay, you can have a little bit

1377
01:17:46,350 --> 01:17:47,340
free little probably you

1378
01:17:47,340 --> 01:17:48,510
John C Dvorak: know where he's
gonna end up

1379
01:17:48,690 --> 01:17:49,410
Unknown: dead.

1380
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:51,210
John C Dvorak: Microsoft.

1381
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,300
Unknown: Yeah. And yourself

1382
01:17:54,300 --> 01:17:55,980
John C Dvorak: sucks guys like
that up like there's no

1383
01:17:55,980 --> 01:17:59,460
tomorrow. He's going to be at
Microsoft.

1384
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:06,540
Adam Curry: So the CTO who took
over her name is Mira Marathi

1385
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:14,670
and I have a little bio here
Mira Marathi. She she she was

1386
01:18:14,670 --> 01:18:21,120
the Chief Technology Officer she
developed chat GPT dolly and if

1387
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:29,340
you can here's what's cool. Mera
mera Marathi MIRMUR a ti if you

1388
01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:41,490
go to H I M IRMURATIMIR. M.
Okay, hello. Mi ra mera Marathi

1389
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:46,890
Mura T I. And if I go to chat
GPT where I am right now and I

1390
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:51,570
type in who is Mira Marathi. It
comes back as of my last

1391
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:54,810
knowledge update in January
2022. I do not have specific

1392
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:57,960
information about an individual
named Mira Marathi. She's the

1393
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,650
Chief Technology Officer of the
company that makes this thing.

1394
01:19:02,730 --> 01:19:04,650
John C Dvorak: Have you seen
pictures of her? Yeah,

1395
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,550
Unknown: I got a picture here.

1396
01:19:09,180 --> 01:19:12,360
Adam Curry: So she has
explicitly filtered herself out.

1397
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:14,970
John C Dvorak: Death very funny.

1398
01:19:15,780 --> 01:19:20,970
Adam Curry: It's It's suspicious
is what it is. You think? So

1399
01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:26,730
there is something very deep,
very wrong. And I have a boots

1400
01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:31,260
on the ground from one of our
producers. Who says it hears he

1401
01:19:31,260 --> 01:19:33,450
just sent me a really long note.
I'm going to take a few

1402
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:35,910
paragraphs more than you ever
wanted to know about Effective

1403
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:39,690
Altruism, altruism because he
was a part of it. But he left a

1404
01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:44,010
few years back because he says
it got weird. Effective Altruism

1405
01:19:44,010 --> 01:19:48,840
falls out of a community called
less wrong, less wrong is or was

1406
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:53,070
is dead best described as a male
self improvement cult for

1407
01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:57,120
autistic Jewish programmers.
Dude, this is so good. How about

1408
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,950
that? Sam Backman freed anybody
It was started by a fellow named

1409
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,150
Eliezer Yudkowsky, who drew
inspiration from rabbinical

1410
01:20:06,150 --> 01:20:09,090
teachings and combine it with
for lack of a better word,

1411
01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:13,320
extremely autistic navel gazing,
in order to write a bunch of

1412
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,770
guides on cognitive biases,
human failings and how to

1413
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:20,040
overcome them. The less wrong
community has a few foibles. One

1414
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,500
of them is that they are way too
naive and trusting. So over the

1415
01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:26,040
past five to 10 years, they've
been co opted by the same trans

1416
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,370
Marxist woke stuff that everyone
else has been captured by. So

1417
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:33,960
now, AI risk has been co opted
from what it actually was to how

1418
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:39,720
do we make AI not right wing.
makes so much sense. When EA

1419
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,600
started the sales pitch was
pretty simple. Most charities

1420
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,840
bullcrap you donate to some
local charity, they spend 80% of

1421
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,050
the money on overhead, and the
remaining 20% of the money on

1422
01:20:49,050 --> 01:20:52,500
say a statue in the town square.
If you really like statues and

1423
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:54,720
wasting money, that's cool. But
if you're someone who really

1424
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,410
wants to do the unit,
utilitarian best thing with your

1425
01:20:58,410 --> 01:21:02,790
money, that's not cool. In any
case, this sort of arguing over

1426
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:05,700
what the real utility function
is, was the best vector by which

1427
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,380
politicization came in, then AI
started becoming a big deal. And

1428
01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:12,990
the powers that be noticed that
this organization has spent the

1429
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:16,410
last 15 years basically
declaring themselves the experts

1430
01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:20,550
of AI. This is where all these
weird children come from. That's

1431
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:24,060
my editorializing, the powers
that be did what they do and CO

1432
01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:27,840
opted everything. Most of the
less wrong, EAA, people were too

1433
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,510
naive and trusting to understand
what happened and got snowed,

1434
01:21:30,750 --> 01:21:34,290
then SBF happened. And that
takes us to where we are today.

1435
01:21:35,730 --> 01:21:38,100
I think I might have written to
you about them before. This is

1436
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,920
the community that came up with
the biohacking the idea that a

1437
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,190
bunch of sad lonely men who
can't get dates could date each

1438
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:46,620
other, if only they could
reverse conversion therapy

1439
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:55,440
themselves into being gay. I
love and then there's the last

1440
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:00,450
thing that I'm sure you said
Microsoft. But I have a report

1441
01:22:00,450 --> 01:22:03,150
here. Altman has been looking to
raise 10s of billions of dollars

1442
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,570
for Middle Eastern sovereign
wealth funds to create an AI

1443
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:10,170
chip startup. According to a
person with knowledge of the

1444
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:14,130
investment proposal. Altman was
also courting SoftBank Group

1445
01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:18,690
Chairman Miyoshi song for a
multi billion dollar investment

1446
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:22,200
in a new company to make AI
oriented hardware in partnership

1447
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:26,460
with formal aperte. Apple
designer Johnny Ive, the Board

1448
01:22:26,460 --> 01:22:30,030
may have been put off by Altman
raising funds off of open AI his

1449
01:22:30,030 --> 01:22:33,420
name and these new companies not
sharing the same governance

1450
01:22:33,420 --> 01:22:37,470
model is open AI. I think that's
what happened here. You've got

1451
01:22:37,470 --> 01:22:42,450
bank. You've got this Altman,
who's a commercial guy. And he's

1452
01:22:42,450 --> 01:22:45,540
like, Yeah, let's just go this
is the we got something here.

1453
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,440
It's not great. But it does fun
stuff. It's a cool chat bot.

1454
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,340
We're hot. We can make a
billions and billions of dollars

1455
01:22:53,340 --> 01:23:00,870
he had zero equity in open AI,
this was his chance. And then

1456
01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:06,720
the the poly cules went now we
can't have that it's not good

1457
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,850
for humanity. And then, you
know, of course, they pulled the

1458
01:23:11,850 --> 01:23:15,210
plug on this guy and all the
other commercial smart people in

1459
01:23:15,210 --> 01:23:18,000
the company. Well, yeah, we're
walking goodbye you felt you're

1460
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,750
finding ALTMAN I will just go to
his next company. I think that's

1461
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:25,830
that's that's kind of what JC
said is probably right. But

1462
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:28,410
John C Dvorak: these these I
mean, that is a definite

1463
01:23:28,770 --> 01:23:30,150
possibility. But

1464
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:32,790
Adam Curry: these people who are
on the board and these if for

1465
01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:36,600
John C Dvorak: those people that
just you know, but

1466
01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:38,940
Adam Curry: I think this we
there's a lot of people in

1467
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:40,710
government. There's a lot

1468
01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:43,680
John C Dvorak: of these creeps
that are all over Silicon Valley

1469
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,270
and elsewhere that are really,
they're all I think you nailed

1470
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:52,410
it. Sex cultists. Yes. And you
look at these people and they

1471
01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:55,830
all you're right. There's a
bunch of there's some very

1472
01:23:55,830 --> 01:24:01,410
pleasant looking women who look
like easily be part of any sex

1473
01:24:01,410 --> 01:24:06,630
cult has ever been around. All
of them, including Marathi, and

1474
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:10,680
a bunch of dorks Yeah, as
perfect as exactly what sex

1475
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:15,690
calls tend to be. And one or two
charismatic males. Well,

1476
01:24:15,690 --> 01:24:18,870
Adam Curry: it's like 75% male
and these guys are making out

1477
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:23,970
they got like chicks everywhere.
Living with them. I mean, that

1478
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,240
that that Time Magazine is
horrible. I don't even want to

1479
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,730
repeat some of the things that
happen to these women in these

1480
01:24:29,940 --> 01:24:36,780
poly cules. is, it's free. It's
really bad. Poly Q, they brought

1481
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:41,940
in some Silicon Valley mediator
when there was a sexual

1482
01:24:41,940 --> 01:24:45,810
harassment claim. And this was
right around the time of me to

1483
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,680
the Harvey Weinstein stuff and
she and she actually had it was

1484
01:24:49,710 --> 01:24:54,450
in a relationship with the guy
who was being accused. And that

1485
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:56,940
she said, Oh, well, you're my
boy. You can't You shouldn't go

1486
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:59,160
to the authorities. That's not
good. That could break up the

1487
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:07,080
poly cool I mean Wow, just wow.
And I think Elon Musk is one of

1488
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,540
these EAS with

1489
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:11,760
John C Dvorak: all the different
women he has the rules for

1490
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,710
dating him and all the rest you
think

1491
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:18,780
Adam Curry: and his whole AI is
ai ai is is going to eat the

1492
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:23,220
world. He's one of them. He's
one of these or at least he's

1493
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:26,070
feigning to be one and effective
altruist

1494
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:30,660
John C Dvorak: even though he's
there's no true evidence.

1495
01:25:30,690 --> 01:25:33,330
Adam Curry: No, but I just I
remember listening maker I

1496
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:36,000
remember listening to the whole
Sam Altman interview on Joe

1497
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,660
Rogan. I was so underwhelmed my
everything was like, yeah, maybe

1498
01:25:39,660 --> 01:25:42,810
five years, maybe 10 years.
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's

1499
01:25:42,810 --> 01:25:45,390
gonna be Yeah, be kind of a
Joe's like, well, we should have

1500
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:50,460
an AI president. It's all gonna
happen. It'll be great. Well,

1501
01:25:50,460 --> 01:25:54,480
Joe, Joe was probably token up a
bit excitable. He is excitable,

1502
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:58,440
and album was just not. And he's
the perfect Silicon Valley

1503
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:07,620
douche. He's perfect. He's, he's
the Messiah. So it'll be

1504
01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:11,850
interesting to see what happens.
But this this board and this

1505
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:15,660
open AI, I mean, I think they're
toasts.

1506
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:22,290
Unknown: It'll be just the
second in a and, and this is all

1507
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:23,550
public

1508
01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:25,380
John C Dvorak: domain already.
Yeah.

1509
01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:27,270
Adam Curry: I mean, I have
models running. That's another

1510
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:30,390
part of the problem. And I'm
sure it was effective altruists

1511
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:35,190
at Mehta, who released these
models in open source so that I

1512
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:37,740
can now run 10 of them on my
machine and here at home,

1513
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,620
because they were thinking
exactly this, oh, we can't let

1514
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:43,800
someone like Sam Altman, you
know, commercialize this too

1515
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,830
much. I guarantee you if we dig
deep enough, we can find out

1516
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:50,430
that it was effective altruists
who did this long term lists,

1517
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:57,600
which is just insane. This is
transhumanism in a way. These

1518
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,570
are transhumanist people if
they're now and now they're

1519
01:27:00,570 --> 01:27:02,340
trans Maoists. And Ah

1520
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:06,150
Unknown: It's sickening.

1521
01:27:10,620 --> 01:27:12,120
John C Dvorak: As disturbing,
maybe,

1522
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:17,490
Unknown: yeah. Well, disturbing.
I'm just I'm just blown away by

1523
01:27:17,490 --> 01:27:19,200
it. And then these

1524
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,410
Adam Curry: are the politicians
they were they were Oh, yeah.

1525
01:27:25,410 --> 01:27:27,900
Don't Well, Wolf. Boy. Yeah. But
we'll we'll make some

1526
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:30,090
legislation. We'll put some
policy in there. Just give me 10

1527
01:27:30,090 --> 01:27:33,900
million bucks. This Sam bank
when freedom was given money to

1528
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:37,980
all kinds of people on the right
and the left? Oh, yeah, we agree

1529
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:41,940
with you, Sam. Sure. That that's
what that's what went wrong.

1530
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,250
That's and yes, and you're
right, that kid was an autistic.

1531
01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:51,930
Just an autistic. And it doesn't
mean he wasn't smart. But yeah.

1532
01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:56,310
I can just see all those guys at
Sequoia Capital. He was playing

1533
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:58,920
games during the pitch meeting.
The guy's a genius.

1534
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,330
John C Dvorak: This is totally
the anyone should read yours. He

1535
01:28:03,330 --> 01:28:09,570
Kaczynski is being there to see
the movie with Peter Sellers.

1536
01:28:09,570 --> 01:28:13,440
And you can understand this.
These are the idiots who

1537
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:17,340
misinterpret things, you know?
Well, he's just he's just

1538
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:19,950
shoveled. He looks like shit.
He's crapping his pants. And

1539
01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:24,180
he's playing a game during a
pitch meeting must be a genius.

1540
01:28:24,810 --> 01:28:25,050
And, you

1541
01:28:25,050 --> 01:28:29,130
Adam Curry: know, with all this
military industrial complex

1542
01:28:29,670 --> 01:28:34,200
stuff being woven throughout
this board, including heard, you

1543
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,980
got to think that you know, the
military's all in, you know, I

1544
01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:42,390
don't know, man. The more I
read, the more I see the more of

1545
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:44,790
that. Yeah, it's good. You know,
it can write some code, it can

1546
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:47,910
do that for you. Sure. It's
great a Bible scripture. You

1547
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:50,730
know, it does other things quite
well. But I listened to these

1548
01:28:50,730 --> 01:28:53,970
podcasts where people are trying
out the latest models. And, you

1549
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:58,380
know, I fed a whole book into
it. And after, you know, 18,000

1550
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:03,000
tokens, then it starts to forget
stuff in the middle. I mean, I

1551
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,420
know people who use this stuff
for spreadsheets, and then it

1552
01:29:06,420 --> 01:29:09,060
was like, well, one time out of
50. It gets the calculation

1553
01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:12,420
wrong, but so we'll use it
anyway. Quit, use the

1554
01:29:12,420 --> 01:29:17,760
spreadsheet. It's just not an
excellent product, but it's

1555
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:22,920
cool. And it can kind of
simulate a person does art. And

1556
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:27,540
I think actually, Altman's idea
is of an App Store's probably

1557
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:31,230
pretty good. You know, I would
let me create an app and my app

1558
01:29:31,230 --> 01:29:34,890
would be all the no agenda
information. So we feed the

1559
01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:38,220
transcripts and all the articles
into it and then you can get

1560
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:42,780
replies as as it would have been
discussed on no agenda and part

1561
01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:46,170
of it will be just as wrong as
we've been wrong. But at

1562
01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:48,240
John C Dvorak: least very rare.
You're giving it a lot of

1563
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:48,660
credit.

1564
01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:53,760
Adam Curry: What's what's rarely
been wrong? Never we're never

1565
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,790
wrong. Anyway, here's the ABC
with some AI news. Our buddy

1566
01:29:59,790 --> 01:30:01,560
back The whirly a new report

1567
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,810
Unknown: on the safety of
artificial intelligence,

1568
01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:08,190
nonprofit media review or Common
Sense Media has a new rating

1569
01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:12,060
system Congress different AI
based products and how safe or

1570
01:30:12,090 --> 01:30:15,600
unsafe they may be for your
kids. Becky Worley breaks it all

1571
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:15,960
down.

1572
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:22,139
A new AI rating system created
by nonprofit Common Sense Media,

1573
01:30:22,169 --> 01:30:26,129
it evaluates a wide range of AI
products with varying degrees of

1574
01:30:26,129 --> 01:30:29,999
interactivity. Looking at
privacy, bias and

1575
01:30:29,999 --> 01:30:33,899
misinformation. In apps commonly
used by children. The best

1576
01:30:33,899 --> 01:30:37,589
reviews went to AI products for
education like ELO, which uses

1577
01:30:37,589 --> 01:30:40,529
speech recognition to help
children read from a limited

1578
01:30:40,529 --> 01:30:44,669
array of books, apps offering
wider services were less

1579
01:30:44,669 --> 01:30:45,809
favorably rated.

1580
01:30:46,260 --> 01:30:50,130
Adam Curry: Our thanks to Becky
Worley for that and with apps

1581
01:30:50,130 --> 01:30:54,990
used by kids the more I think
about I think our producer is

1582
01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:59,790
spot on that the only thing that
that the politicians really want

1583
01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:03,840
right now from AI is to make it
spit out Democrat talking points

1584
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,140
and don't don't give anything
right wing. You know, don't

1585
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:10,410
don't promote anything
conservative, make it all trans

1586
01:31:10,410 --> 01:31:14,400
Marxist, trans Maoist. That's
all they care about. Let's just

1587
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,140
make sure the answers are
correct. Okay.

1588
01:31:18,150 --> 01:31:20,130
John C Dvorak: That can take a
look at meet our team, the

1589
01:31:20,130 --> 01:31:23,430
executive leadership team of
this Common Sense Media. And you

1590
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:28,170
can just take a look at them and
you say yep. To what you just

1591
01:31:28,170 --> 01:31:28,740
said. Yep.

1592
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:32,430
Adam Curry: It's a big group to
common sense

1593
01:31:33,060 --> 01:31:35,370
John C Dvorak: to be huge. It's
a big and they all look like

1594
01:31:35,370 --> 01:31:39,360
Democrats. Yeah, it's a big
group. Well, that reminds me

1595
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,390
since you're bringing that up.
Let's go to the real spread.

1596
01:31:42,690 --> 01:31:43,980
You're overlooking all

1597
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:45,690
Adam Curry: Oh, no, there's
there's an actual threat

1598
01:31:45,690 --> 01:31:46,290
somewhere.

1599
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:49,290
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's a
you know that Ali Akbar winner.

1600
01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:54,450
That guy's name is on MSNBC. Ali
Velshi. Sure. No, that's it.

1601
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:59,130
Adam Curry: Oh, revulsion. No.
Is it No, Ali? Ali? Yeah. No Ali

1602
01:31:59,130 --> 01:32:02,220
Velshi, Ali Velshi. Yeah, well,

1603
01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:04,890
John C Dvorak: he's taken over
for Oh, Donald for because he's

1604
01:32:04,890 --> 01:32:07,140
on vacation because of course
it's vacation time for

1605
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:10,320
everybody. But oh, yeah, no,
nobody thanks for it. Let's go

1606
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:15,300
at MSNBC Ellie. Like got it Ali
Akbar on greatest threat. We're

1607
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:18,030
Unknown: facing a number of
historic challenges the war

1608
01:32:18,030 --> 01:32:21,390
between Israel and Hamas, with
1000s of Palestinian civilians

1609
01:32:21,390 --> 01:32:24,570
caught in the middle of what
could become a much bigger war.

1610
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:28,530
The ongoing Russian invasion of
Ukraine were deepening fears of

1611
01:32:28,530 --> 01:32:31,440
whether China might invade
Taiwan While America is

1612
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:35,520
indirectly supporting two major
wars, extreme political

1613
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,980
polarization around the world
and here in America not to

1614
01:32:37,980 --> 01:32:41,700
mention a climate crisis that
threatens the habitability of

1615
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:46,440
our very planet so much is going
wrong. So much threat threat

1616
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:49,830
around us be framed, which one
is the most serious threat to

1617
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:53,100
global stability? None of the
ones I mentioned Oh greatest

1618
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,740
threat to the stability of the
world right now remains a twice

1619
01:32:55,740 --> 01:32:59,400
impeached multiple indicted
former president of this nation

1620
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,580
Donald Trump is the greatest
threat the world face

1621
01:33:02,610 --> 01:33:04,920
Adam Curry: all right, there you
go. You nailed it on that one.

1622
01:33:06,330 --> 01:33:08,640
Who sent you that you don't
watch MSNBC?

1623
01:33:09,810 --> 01:33:12,060
John C Dvorak: I heard about
this clip and I tracked it down

1624
01:33:12,090 --> 01:33:13,290
Stanaway turf,

1625
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,720
Adam Curry: what are you doing
on my grounds go away you're

1626
01:33:16,590 --> 01:33:19,200
John C Dvorak: the greatest
threat facing humanity and the

1627
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:20,100
world is

1628
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:22,500
Adam Curry: a DAP now he didn't
have that. Let's just get that

1629
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:25,890
he didn't have the whole lineup.
He said double limitless.

1630
01:33:26,910 --> 01:33:29,070
Unknown: The greatest threat to
the stability of the world right

1631
01:33:29,070 --> 01:33:31,740
now remains a twice impeached
multiple indicted former

1632
01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:34,080
president of this nation dice

1633
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,660
Adam Curry: impeach multiple
indicted former president of

1634
01:33:36,690 --> 01:33:37,770
best shot Donald

1635
01:33:37,770 --> 01:33:40,890
Unknown: Trump is the greatest
threat the world faces.

1636
01:33:42,780 --> 01:33:44,850
Adam Curry: The whole world
faces this threat latest

1637
01:33:44,850 --> 01:33:46,800
gentleman. He doesn't

1638
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,530
John C Dvorak: follow up. You
want to hear more? Yes, I did

1639
01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:51,420
cut it off because it's just too
much. I

1640
01:33:51,420 --> 01:33:54,630
Unknown: was good. Donald Trump
is the greatest threat the world

1641
01:33:54,630 --> 01:33:58,110
faces. Here's why. Here's why.
Here's real global crises I

1642
01:33:58,110 --> 01:34:01,800
mentioned actually hang in
extremely delicate balance with

1643
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:06,120
President Biden steady hand on
the wheel. as chaotic as things

1644
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,180
may seem right now ask yourself,
how much worse do they get with

1645
01:34:09,180 --> 01:34:13,230
Donald Trump in the White House?
He's on the case. Joe Biden is

1646
01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:16,800
with Ukraine. He's redeveloping
the relationship with xi in

1647
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,770
China. He sure has annoyed a lot
of people at home with his

1648
01:34:19,770 --> 01:34:23,100
Israel policy. But he has
created more space for an

1649
01:34:23,100 --> 01:34:25,860
American president to influence
Israel than we've seen in a

1650
01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:28,710
while. And he has a real
commitment to solving the

1651
01:34:28,710 --> 01:34:33,150
climate crisis. Here's, here's
how those situations can play

1652
01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:36,120
out with Donald Trump at the
helm. According to a recent

1653
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,910
piece by The Economist quote,
knowing that America would

1654
01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:42,360
abandon Europe, Mr. Putin would
have an incentive to fight on in

1655
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:46,230
Ukraine and to pick off former
Soviet countries such as Moldova

1656
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:50,220
or the Baltic states. Without
American pressure, Israel is

1657
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:54,600
unlikely to generate an internal
consensus for peace talks with

1658
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,110
the Palestinians by asserting
that America has no global

1659
01:34:58,110 --> 01:35:01,620
responsibility to help deal with
climate Chang, Mr. Trump would

1660
01:35:01,620 --> 01:35:06,210
crush efforts to slow it. And he
is surrounded by China hawks who

1661
01:35:06,210 --> 01:35:10,530
believe confrontation is the
only way to preserve American

1662
01:35:10,530 --> 01:35:11,280
dominance.

1663
01:35:13,019 --> 01:35:16,019
John C Dvorak: Of course, this
is all extracted from an article

1664
01:35:16,019 --> 01:35:21,179
in the piece of shit magazine,
The Economist, which is run by

1665
01:35:21,179 --> 01:35:28,349
that woman, Zanny vadose, who's
a, just a ridiculous Marxist for

1666
01:35:28,349 --> 01:35:32,339
all practical purposes. And
she's is all around. She hated

1667
01:35:32,339 --> 01:35:35,669
Trump when he was in office, and
she's hated the old debt all

1668
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:38,189
Republicans ever since ever
since she got the job. I think

1669
01:35:38,189 --> 01:35:43,259
she started working there. 94 I
think she got promoted to editor

1670
01:35:43,259 --> 01:35:47,879
in chief around toward 2005 or
something like that. So that's

1671
01:35:47,879 --> 01:35:51,479
where they're getting this, The
Economist is already concerned

1672
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:52,229
about Trump.

1673
01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:56,100
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, that
somehow they have to spin all

1674
01:35:56,100 --> 01:36:02,520
this to discredit Trump again, I
mean, it Elon is okay. In fact,

1675
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,490
now would be the time for Trump
to get back on top posting on

1676
01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:06,030
Twitter.

1677
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:10,110
Unknown: This would be a good
moment for him

1678
01:36:10,110 --> 01:36:13,320
John C Dvorak: to switch to
annoy them. Yeah. Yeah, maybe

1679
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:13,680
because he's

1680
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,170
Adam Curry: coming out. He's, if
anything, I think President

1681
01:36:16,170 --> 01:36:19,620
Trump is sitting like, crap, man
that I'm talking about me that I

1682
01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:24,360
need. I need some I need some
juice here. Blitz, er, and what

1683
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,660
can we do? He is getting all the
attention. This is not good.

1684
01:36:29,460 --> 01:36:31,650
John C Dvorak: Left hook Trump
clips as you want to bring it

1685
01:36:31,650 --> 01:36:32,400
up. Can

1686
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,650
Adam Curry: I just Oh, yeah.
Okay. We'll come back to the

1687
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:37,260
Lensky in a moment. Sure. Sure.
Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump

1688
01:36:37,260 --> 01:36:38,490
John C Dvorak: and back to what
were we gonna do?

1689
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,020
Adam Curry: I was gonna come
back to Zelinsky.

1690
01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:45,150
John C Dvorak: I was like, Yeah,
well, Trump, Trump. Trump trials

1691
01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:45,600
one

1692
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:48,900
Unknown: leaked confidential
videos of former Trump lawyers

1693
01:36:48,900 --> 01:36:51,810
could shake up the Georgia
election interference case. Oh,

1694
01:36:51,810 --> 01:36:56,550
no. From NPR. This is Trump's
trials. I'm Scott Tetro. This is

1695
01:36:56,550 --> 01:37:00,330
a persecution violations for
national security laws. We need

1696
01:37:00,330 --> 01:37:01,710
one more indictment.

1697
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:04,920
To close out this election,

1698
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,420
just stormed out of the corner.

1699
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,130
proven guilty in a court of law.
Once a week we talk through the

1700
01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:17,100
latest developments in the legal
trials of former President

1701
01:37:17,100 --> 01:37:19,920
Donald Trump. We have updates on
the New York Civil Trial and the

1702
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,770
January 6, federal election
interference case that we'll get

1703
01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:26,190
to in a moment. But this week,
the main focus is that Georgia

1704
01:37:26,220 --> 01:37:28,380
election interference case
remember, this is the

1705
01:37:28,380 --> 01:37:31,830
racketeering or Rico case
against Trump and many other co

1706
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:34,890
defendants. Four of those co
defendants have taken plea deals

1707
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:37,500
already. And now with these
leaked videos, we've learned

1708
01:37:37,500 --> 01:37:40,620
more about the conversations
inside the White House between

1709
01:37:40,650 --> 01:37:42,750
Election Day and inauguration
panic.

1710
01:37:42,780 --> 01:37:48,240
Adam Curry: That guy sounds like
Ben Shapiro. Slow down by 1.5.

1711
01:37:48,270 --> 01:37:51,690
John C Dvorak: Very interesting
observation. Yeah. Well, before

1712
01:37:51,690 --> 01:37:54,750
we play clip to you by want to
know what you're listening to

1713
01:37:54,840 --> 01:38:00,000
NPR? No, this is the new and
play this clip. This is the

1714
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,660
teaser for it. New NPR podcast.

1715
01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:07,230
Adam Curry: Oh, everybody is
also just

1716
01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:10,380
Unknown: really hard to follow.
So we have created Trump's

1717
01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:14,820
trials, a new NPR podcast hosted
by me, where we break down the

1718
01:38:14,820 --> 01:38:18,270
big news from each of Trump's
cases and talk about what it all

1719
01:38:18,270 --> 01:38:21,930
means for democracy. Each
episode is about 15 minutes, and

1720
01:38:21,930 --> 01:38:24,630
we are sharing the latest one
with you here today.

1721
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,210
Adam Curry: Really sounds like
so

1722
01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:30,300
John C Dvorak: you're right. He
sounds exactly like a slow down

1723
01:38:30,300 --> 01:38:32,790
Ben Shapiro. Exactly.

1724
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:35,730
Unknown: That's pretty
interesting. Yeah. So

1725
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:41,130
John C Dvorak: this is to show
this. So this particular podcast

1726
01:38:41,130 --> 01:38:44,550
about some leaked videos and
leaked videos, leaked videos,

1727
01:38:44,670 --> 01:38:49,560
what lawyers taught to be leaked
videos of the depositions.

1728
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,010
Unknown: And the lawyers. Big
deal.

1729
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:56,910
John C Dvorak: So So here's part
two, and they have actually one

1730
01:38:56,910 --> 01:38:59,700
of the leaked videos and it's
pretty lame. And

1731
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:01,890
Unknown: that's where the news
was. As part of that

1732
01:39:01,890 --> 01:39:04,920
cooperation. The defendant sat
down for lengthy interviews with

1733
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,640
prosecutors to tell them what
they know. And this week several

1734
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,160
of those interviews, including
conversations with Congress,

1735
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,920
Russian lawyer, Sidney Powell
and Jenna Ellis were leaked to

1736
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,520
ABC News, Dominica, what were
the main headlines from these

1737
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:18,000
tariffs?

1738
01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:21,690
Well, seeing Jenna Ellis sort of
flip on Trump was really notable

1739
01:39:21,690 --> 01:39:26,070
and saying that she'd heard from
one of Trumps aides, danske of

1740
01:39:26,070 --> 01:39:29,460
you know, that the boss isn't
going to leave office, really

1741
01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:32,490
kind of a fascinating thing to
show sort of Trump's state of

1742
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:35,760
mind and how much he really
wanted to stay in power.

1743
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:39,870
But Melissa Trump's legal team
was pretty quick to respond to

1744
01:39:39,870 --> 01:39:43,680
that saying, Who cares what this
aide said, in a sense, because

1745
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,290
for all the other things that
happen, Trump did leave office.

1746
01:39:46,290 --> 01:39:48,480
He didn't hold himself up in the
White House. He didn't try to

1747
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:49,830
remain President. No,

1748
01:39:49,860 --> 01:39:53,370
that's right. And you can
imagine what the response to

1749
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:57,660
this would be at trial. I'm no
one to discredit Jenna Ellis as

1750
01:39:57,690 --> 01:40:01,650
someone who has a real incentive
to play nice with the

1751
01:40:01,650 --> 01:40:05,490
prosecution, but also someone
who may not actually be that

1752
01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:08,790
truthful herself. She was
formally a co defendant. They

1753
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:11,640
will also I think, note that
this was a statement that Janet

1754
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,060
Ellis heard from someone else,
Dan Scavino. She did not hear

1755
01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:19,170
this from Trump himself. So it
doesn't actually go to provide

1756
01:40:19,170 --> 01:40:23,490
clear evidence of Trump's own
mindset with regard to power or

1757
01:40:23,490 --> 01:40:24,630
leaving peacefully.

1758
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Adam Curry: So right so they do
a 15 minute a day podcast about

1759
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:32,370
a video a leaked video which we
have no audio of, which actually

1760
01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:36,270
wasn't something someone said,
but it was someone telling that

1761
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:39,690
was Jenna Aleister Yeah, third
party information. This guy

1762
01:40:39,690 --> 01:40:43,140
John C Dvorak: told me that that
again, we told him that and I

1763
01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:45,930
heard from so and so that so and
so I knew that somebody else

1764
01:40:45,930 --> 01:40:48,390
news does something at something
and say, we don't even have a

1765
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:53,430
clip. Yeah, I looked for a clip.
I couldn't find it. So Mike

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01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:57,330
Adam Curry: Johnson, what a
generic name. Mike Johnson, the

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01:40:57,330 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker of the House released
the tapes. So this is 10,000

1768
01:41:03,630 --> 01:41:08,250
hours or 40 30 million hours of
videotape that is being released

1769
01:41:08,250 --> 01:41:12,720
to the public 90 hours at a
time. And everybody's Oh, look

1770
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,230
at this. Oh, everyone's gonna
get out of jail. Now. Everyone's

1771
01:41:16,230 --> 01:41:19,530
looking at the cylinder getting
out of anything. And of course,

1772
01:41:19,770 --> 01:41:22,530
of course, you know, everyone's
just go oh, look at us. Look at

1773
01:41:22,530 --> 01:41:26,220
all this. Oh, it was it was not
it was not an insurrection. It's

1774
01:41:26,220 --> 01:41:30,810
gotten so bad. Now with this
blatant lie about insurrection.

1775
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:35,190
Remember, remember that this was
worse than 911. So this is

1776
01:41:35,190 --> 01:41:41,730
actually worse than October 6,
October 7, January 6, worse than

1777
01:41:41,730 --> 01:41:47,040
October 7 in Israel, according
to their logic, yeah. Danna bash

1778
01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:53,010
on CNN. Made a big boo boo. And
man, the control room jumped on

1779
01:41:53,010 --> 01:41:57,030
her. In fact, who's the who's
the new lady Lopez from? She's

1780
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:57,900
PBS.

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01:41:58,230 --> 01:42:00,450
John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah. Load
the Lopez girl. She's Lopez,

1782
01:42:00,450 --> 01:42:04,290
PBS. She Okay, she got a million
front names. She's got one of

1783
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:06,690
those Catholic names. I just
call her Lopez.

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01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,840
Adam Curry: Yes. So she, she's
on the panel with data. Yeah.

1785
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:10,080
What

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01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:12,480
John C Dvorak: is she doing
there? Well, isn't that what we

1787
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:15,330
should lose her agent so she
came out of nowhere. So

1788
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:17,700
Adam Curry: listen to danobat
screw it up. The control room

1789
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:21,000
jumps in and then Lopez bails
her out

1790
01:42:21,150 --> 01:42:24,870
Unknown: now to an anti war
rally that turned violent. This

1791
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:27,840
was the scene outside the
Democratic National Committee

1792
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,570
headquarters. Right here in
Washington last night.

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01:42:30,570 --> 01:42:34,110
Protesters were demanding a
ceasefire in Gaza, but ended up

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01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:38,730
clashing with police. The top
three House Democrats were all

1795
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,300
inside the building at the time
and had to be evacuated. It's

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01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:45,450
another sign of the growing
divide among Democrats over

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01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:49,260
President Biden's handling of
the Israel Hamas war. Our great

1798
01:42:49,260 --> 01:42:53,400
reporters are back. And Laura. I
mean, that is quite an image. We

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01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,970
haven't seen an image like that
since January 6 Totally

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different kinds of people. I
mean, not that I don't want it

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01:43:00,870 --> 01:43:07,050
back. Take it back, compare the
route. But the idea that there

1802
01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:09,750
was while it's and that there
were Capitol police officers

1803
01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:13,620
there, I believe there are about
six Capitol police officers that

1804
01:43:13,620 --> 01:43:17,340
were injured, according to the
Capitol Police that put out that

1805
01:43:17,340 --> 01:43:21,180
report last night. But there is
a there are key differences I've

1806
01:43:21,180 --> 01:43:24,090
written compared to January
skirts, but it was a class and

1807
01:43:24,090 --> 01:43:29,760
the protesters or the ralliers
were selling a rally or sways

1808
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,000
and the exit ways. And that's
why police confronted them and

1809
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,310
tried to get them to move
because people couldn't exit or

1810
01:43:35,310 --> 01:43:39,360
enter and that was it Democrat
most senior House Democrats.

1811
01:43:40,350 --> 01:43:41,220
Job Lopez.

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01:43:42,570 --> 01:43:46,320
Adam Curry: This unbelievable.
Oh, no, I wouldn't compare to

1813
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,580
that more. No, good.

1814
01:43:51,090 --> 01:43:54,480
Unknown: There's no good. People
are going insane.

1815
01:43:55,740 --> 01:44:01,920
Adam Curry: To go going insane.
I got some minutes here. Right.

1816
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,810
So this is a lot of this is
happening on CNN. I think CNN

1817
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:08,730
I've haven't looked at the
ratings, but probably enjoying

1818
01:44:08,730 --> 01:44:12,000
some some better than normal
ratings with this hope. So

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01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,820
there's so much to go live to,
you know, like, Oh, we're here

1820
01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:20,430
live here. So we have this
problem with our universities,

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01:44:20,460 --> 01:44:23,970
which I think if you've listened
to the no agenda program, you've

1822
01:44:23,970 --> 01:44:28,710
probably noticed this as well.
You know, we have a trans Maoist

1823
01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:33,090
movement that is captured. And
it's the educators who are then

1824
01:44:33,090 --> 01:44:36,300
riling up these kids and it's
It's now two generations of

1825
01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:40,320
college students. And now it's
come back to bite the Democrats

1826
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,610
specifically in the butt because
they're the other column for the

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01:44:44,610 --> 01:44:49,050
calling Joe Biden, their
president, a genocidal maniac.

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01:44:49,860 --> 01:44:52,800
And so we need to do something
about this. And you know, we

1829
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,830
just want everyone to know that
we're going to have to do some

1830
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:57,720
investigation of these colleges
Department of

1831
01:44:58,650 --> 01:45:00,840
Unknown: Education is locked
investigation. turns into seven

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01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,910
schools after receiving
complaints about alleged

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01:45:02,940 --> 01:45:05,820
incidents of anti semitism and
Islamophobia then no,

1834
01:45:05,820 --> 01:45:07,830
Adam Curry: there's no
complaints of Islamophobia.

1835
01:45:07,860 --> 01:45:10,770
That's a lie. You're just
putting that in there just to

1836
01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:13,470
make it sound like it. But that
gets balanced.

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01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:16,230
Unknown: Yeah, incidents of anti
semitism and Islamophobia. That

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01:45:16,230 --> 01:45:17,910
is, according to an
administration official, the

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01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:20,880
investigations include five anti
semitism cases and two

1840
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,120
Islamophobia cases, among the
schools K through 12 school in

1841
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,270
Kansas and six colleges,
including Cornell, Columbia, and

1842
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:28,500
the University of Pennsylvania.

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01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:31,080
Adam Curry: Where's Harvard, and
all those guys were at Harvard,

1844
01:45:31,110 --> 01:45:32,670
they left them out to touch
campus,

1845
01:45:32,670 --> 01:45:35,580
Unknown: Columbia, and they left
those out in a rise in tension

1846
01:45:35,610 --> 01:45:38,370
over the Israel Hamas war.
Joining us now to discuss all

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01:45:38,370 --> 01:45:40,230
this education secretary Miguel
Cardona.

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01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:41,460
We appreciate your time, sir.

1849
01:45:41,460 --> 01:45:43,890
Thanks for coming here. I know
you've said in the past that

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01:45:43,890 --> 01:45:45,780
there was an uptick in

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01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,140
a big uptick.

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01:45:49,170 --> 01:45:52,800
So the the filing of concerns
about this? How many

1853
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,500
investigations do you think that
will lead to? We already have

1854
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:57,090
these initial matches are more
coming?

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01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,720
Yeah, I anticipate more coming.
Look. Thank you for having me

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01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:04,170
here, Phil. First of all, you
know, we take the responsibility

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01:46:04,170 --> 01:46:07,830
very seriously to protect
students freedom to learn in an

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01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:10,020
environment that's free of hate
freedom

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01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:10,980
Adam Curry: to learn.

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01:46:11,130 --> 01:46:13,410
John C Dvorak: What does the
Department of Education have to

1861
01:46:13,410 --> 01:46:15,450
do with the management of these
colleges?

1862
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,850
Adam Curry: They need the White
House needed. So I wanted to go

1863
01:46:17,850 --> 01:46:22,110
out there and say someone's done
with school cred. As they talk

1864
01:46:22,110 --> 01:46:27,120
about investigations. They have
nothing to do with these private

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01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:28,110
institutions.

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01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,500
John C Dvorak: Well, even the
public ones are governed by the

1867
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,510
debt department. But it's their
state. Governor Yark,

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01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:39,570
Adam Curry: they have to get the
word out. Elon is the true the

1869
01:46:39,570 --> 01:46:39,990
true.

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01:46:40,530 --> 01:46:43,290
John C Dvorak: Elon is a bad
guy. And Biden is not genocide.

1871
01:46:43,290 --> 01:46:44,340
Joe? No, we're

1872
01:46:44,340 --> 01:46:46,740
Adam Curry: trying to fix this
because everyone has the freedom

1873
01:46:46,740 --> 01:46:49,380
to learn, not freedom of speech,
we owe that

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01:46:49,740 --> 01:46:52,500
Unknown: students freedom to
learn in an environment that's

1875
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:57,300
free of hate. And the feeling of
threatening, we've spoken as

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01:46:57,300 --> 01:46:59,700
students a different use of
feeling faces,

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01:46:59,730 --> 01:47:03,570
Adam Curry: the feeling of
threatening, these are American

1878
01:47:03,570 --> 01:47:07,860
values, you should be free of
threatening and

1879
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,110
Unknown: the feeling of
threatening. We've spoken to

1880
01:47:10,110 --> 01:47:14,190
students at different
universities we've been listened

1881
01:47:14,190 --> 01:47:15,660
to. This was not

1882
01:47:15,660 --> 01:47:18,150
John C Dvorak: even a right.
That's not a term doesn't mean

1883
01:47:18,150 --> 01:47:20,730
is the freedom of threatening,
yes,

1884
01:47:20,730 --> 01:47:21,930
Adam Curry: the freedom of
threatening,

1885
01:47:22,050 --> 01:47:24,030
John C Dvorak: he's making stuff
up. I

1886
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:26,940
Adam Curry: would say that's
correct. Yes, of course. Of

1887
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:30,450
course. We need to get the word
out there. Look, we can't get

1888
01:47:30,450 --> 01:47:33,180
through on Twitter anymore,
because there's no more good

1889
01:47:33,180 --> 01:47:37,170
news. You can't communicate
through Twitter. So we have to

1890
01:47:37,170 --> 01:47:39,090
do it through Well, CNN didn't

1891
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,400
John C Dvorak: really hear that.
But the Biden team has put it

1892
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,850
that Biden has put a team
together so they can push the

1893
01:47:44,850 --> 01:47:48,630
Biden agenda and the Biden
messages on tick tock Doh, of

1894
01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:49,230
course, that

1895
01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:51,300
Adam Curry: team Halo we're
getting the band back together

1896
01:47:51,330 --> 01:47:52,410
course makes

1897
01:47:52,410 --> 01:47:55,140
Unknown: sense students freedom
to learn, and an environment

1898
01:47:55,140 --> 01:47:59,640
that's free of hate, and the
feeling of threatening. We've

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01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,970
spoken as students at different
universities, we've been in over

1900
01:48:02,970 --> 01:48:05,760
five different states. Listen to
this parents, we've lived in

1901
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:10,470
students who feel under attack
and threatened learning. Very

1902
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:13,440
serious. We're Civil Rights
Agency, and we're protecting the

1903
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:13,980
rights of students.

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01:48:13,980 --> 01:48:18,720
Adam Curry: So there's various
civil rights agency here

1905
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:22,410
John C Dvorak: a civil rights
agency. Yes, yes. The Department

1906
01:48:22,410 --> 01:48:25,650
of Education is a civil rights
Hi, oh, six,

1907
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:27,120
Adam Curry: title six baby.

1908
01:48:27,150 --> 01:48:30,120
Unknown: Do you find the balance
here in the sense of free speech

1909
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:33,300
versus discrimination? It's been
a gray area forever. It's

1910
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:35,940
certainly not getting easier to
figure out right now. You have

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01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:38,640
actual tools, enforcement power
here. What is the bouncer

1912
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:39,270
threshold?

1913
01:48:39,300 --> 01:48:42,630
Adam Curry: They have
enforcement power. They have

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01:48:42,630 --> 01:48:44,760
enforcement power over
universities

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01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:46,230
John C Dvorak: under what US
Code?

1916
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:48,240
Unknown: I don't know section

1917
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:50,280
John C Dvorak: enforcement
powers. Do they have title?

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01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:51,960
Because they have a police
department?

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01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:54,570
Adam Curry: I'll bet you they
got guns. If they do. They got

1920
01:48:54,570 --> 01:48:55,710
guns, you know, and if

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01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:57,690
John C Dvorak: they do they have
guns. We're

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01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,390
Unknown: bringing together
college leaders and K 12.

1923
01:49:00,390 --> 01:49:04,320
Leaders. We're getting great
examples. But what they need to

1924
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:05,790
know is 12 leader,

1925
01:49:07,290 --> 01:49:09,960
John C Dvorak: a social studies
teacher in the fifth grade, I

1926
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:10,230
mean,

1927
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:13,860
Adam Curry: K to 12.

1928
01:49:13,890 --> 01:49:14,670
John C Dvorak: Leader,

1929
01:49:14,700 --> 01:49:17,010
Adam Curry: I want a business
card that says Hi, I'm Adam

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01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:19,110
curry. K through 12. Leader.

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01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:19,980
John C Dvorak: Yeah.

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01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:21,660
Adam Curry: Wow, that's
impressive. Are you an

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01:49:21,660 --> 01:49:23,130
enforcement agency? Yep. Well,

1934
01:49:23,130 --> 01:49:25,560
Unknown: what they need to know
is number one, they have to be

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01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,810
open and honest about what's
happening on their campus,

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01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:30,030
communicate with students
communicate with families

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01:49:30,030 --> 01:49:34,110
regularly be visible, and
recognize that while students do

1938
01:49:34,110 --> 01:49:37,140
have the right to express
themselves, there's a threshold

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01:49:37,140 --> 01:49:40,200
that has to be communicated very
clearly, what they can't do. The

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01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,960
resources that we have online
are available to them. Our

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01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,300
offices are available for
technical assistance. We want to

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01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:47,220
support them in this work, but
at the end of the day, they

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01:49:47,220 --> 01:49:51,000
should know that if the they're
not protecting students, we are

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01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,370
going to investigate and if we
have to, we will withhold

1945
01:49:53,370 --> 01:49:54,330
and your point being that

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01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:57,750
Adam Curry: we will what we will
withhold funds protecting

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01:49:57,750 --> 01:50:00,270
Unknown: students, we are going
to investigate and if we have Do

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01:50:00,420 --> 01:50:03,270
we will withhold and your point
being I can't. When he says what

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01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:05,910
he tries to say funds
investigate and if we have to,

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01:50:06,060 --> 01:50:07,710
we will withhold and your point
being that

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01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:11,160
we will who's here they know the
line because lay out the line,

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01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,590
you have detailed the line. And
if they crossed the line or the

1953
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:15,240
line gets crossed, they should
be aware

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01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:17,640
there is a line, we can work
with them to make sure that

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01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:19,590
based on their situation,
they're getting the sleep that

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01:50:19,590 --> 01:50:21,210
they need. But they need to be
clear.

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01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,300
Adam Curry: Maybe it's more
clear in this clip from the view

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01:50:25,410 --> 01:50:31,860
who had Alyssa Farah Griffin.
Now is that know that she's from

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01:50:31,860 --> 01:50:32,460
the VA? I don't know.

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01:50:33,660 --> 01:50:34,680
John C Dvorak: Though this is on
the view, I

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01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:35,520
Adam Curry: think. No, I

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01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:37,800
John C Dvorak: don't Trump sell
out.

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01:50:38,940 --> 01:50:42,600
Adam Curry: Magewell Cardona. I
guess, let's let's listen. Maybe

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01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,670
the ladies of the you will have
cleared up for me.

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01:50:44,670 --> 01:50:46,860
Unknown: We're taking this very
seriously. We announced last

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01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:49,710
night seven open investigations.
We're going to be very

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01:50:49,710 --> 01:50:52,650
transparent. Yeah, the same guy.
Yeah. Same guy with which guys

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01:50:52,650 --> 01:50:54,810
are now being investigated. That
information is going to be

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01:50:55,260 --> 01:50:56,280
clearly

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01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:58,410
Adam Curry: this is a PR
campaign because it goes from

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01:50:58,410 --> 01:51:02,280
CNN to the view. We've got to
communicate to the mothers in

1972
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,310
the in the housewives of the
world who watched the view that

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01:51:05,310 --> 01:51:08,790
this will not stand we are not
genocide, Joe, we are the good

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01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:12,480
guys, this can't happen. And pay
attention because we're gonna

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01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,040
come for you children. We're

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01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:16,050
Unknown: taking this very
seriously. We announced last

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01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:18,900
night seven open investigations,
we're going to be very

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01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:21,930
transparent with which schools
are now being investigated. That

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01:51:21,930 --> 01:51:24,540
information is public to us.
With College,

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01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:27,600
John C Dvorak: does he tell us
to seven schools, he's got to be

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01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:31,110
very transparent. He's got seven
schools and their sights, who

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are the schools, let's find out
which

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Unknown: schools are now being
investigated, that information

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is gonna be public. We're gonna
work with college presidents

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with superintendents, we're
going to talk to students, we're

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gonna get through this. At the
end of the day, the freedom to

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learn in a safe environment is
something that we're going to

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protect you. And

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if I may ask you, are you able
to share how many complaints the

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Department of Education has
gotten?

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You know, we've gotten more in
the last month and all of last

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year when it comes to these.
Wow,

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Adam Curry: how many is it not?
Wow, wow, how many three? Is a

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3000? Wow, seven. Wow. You know,
several you said, you

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Unknown: know, we've gotten more
in the last gotten month and all

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of last year when it comes to
these topics. So what we're

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doing right now is going through
the process of investigations,

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or the request for
investigations to see whether we

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open them or not. We opened
seven yesterday. I anticipate

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many more.

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Adam Curry: This is this is a
this is an outrage. The

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government is coming after
students for them protesting at

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schools. I don't care who you're
protesting. That's wrong. That

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is wrong was resolved

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John C Dvorak: in the 60s with
the free speech movement at

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Berkeley.

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Adam Curry: Did they bust some
heads?

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John C Dvorak: Oh, they bust a
lot of heads but it at the in

2009
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the end. At the end of the day,
the students won out and

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everything was changed ever
since then. Protests

2011
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Adam Curry: are what students
want out I don't What are you

2012
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saying

2013
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John C Dvorak: the students were
allowed to have protests against

2014
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their issues that were taking
place where the campus was

2015
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closing down certain vendors and
they had these guys sitting

2016
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behind a table saying I don't
like breasts change my mind kind

2017
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of stuff. And drowner

2018
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Adam Curry: I don't like breast.
You know, this is this is anti

2019
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American. This is unAmerican.
This is wrong. I don't care what

2020
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you're protesting. Exactly. I
don't like boobs. Whatever it

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is. The government should have
no business.

2022
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John C Dvorak: No, they don't.
But this says that it's worth

2023
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doing it both agree to which is
they're trying to quash this

2024
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genocide Joe meme? Because it's
gonna hurt the Democrat Party.

2025
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Tears

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Adam Curry: will come. Tears
will blood will be there'll be

2027
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blood on the moon as my mom
would say. This is not going to

2028
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end well if they think they're
going to send goons into college

2029
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campuses. We although I may
agree with you know, I mean, I'd

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love for lots of these protests
and not happen but that's not

2031
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that's not America. You can
protest up and you can you can

2032
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go with your pussy hats. You can
put your your Kifah Jez on you

2033
01:54:17,940 --> 01:54:21,930
can do whatever you want. But
the government is so freaked out

2034
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now that you're not doing it
right. Hello, protests. Elon

2035
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Musk protest Trump don't protest
genocide. Joe? No, this is not

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good. We're gonna come and beat
you up.

2037
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Unknown: I anticipate many more,
which is why? You know, a lot of

2038
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folks are telling us, oh, you
need to act on that. But they're

2039
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also saying in the same breath,
we're going to cut funding for

2040
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the Office for Civil Rights. We
need to make sure we have folks

2041
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,230
at the department that can
investigate this right away. Our

2042
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kids safety cannot be
compromised. So the referrals

2043
01:54:49,410 --> 01:54:52,020
will go to the Civil Rights
Division at the US Attorney's at

2044
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the at the US Department of
Education. Asia, we're a civil

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rights agency to a lot of people
don't. So we have a civil we

2046
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,330
have the Office for Civil Rights
that investigate exists

2047
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independently to make sure that
all the facts are taken into

2048
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account. Okay, so

2049
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Adam Curry: now I understand. So
they are also a civil rights

2050
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agency. You didn't know that but
you do now, which means your

2051
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:16,200
right to free learning, freedom
of learning and freedom to not

2052
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:23,220
be threatened is under attack. I
don't think that that anyone who

2053
01:55:23,220 --> 01:55:29,160
just wants to learn is being
threatened. Wow. Okay, so now we

2054
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:32,820
have Morning Joe. We have
another fine dude showing up

2055
01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:36,960
Jonathan Greenblatt, the out of
control CEO of the anti

2056
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:40,320
Defamation League, these coming
unhinged. I

2057
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Unknown: am so sick of the safe
spaces conversation. Talk to me

2058
01:55:44,580 --> 01:55:48,690
about safe spaces when your
campuses are literally unsafe,

2059
01:55:49,050 --> 01:55:52,230
these college administrators and
you know, it's the oppression

2060
01:55:52,230 --> 01:55:54,960
Olympics Joe. It's the
oppression Olympics where you

2061
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,900
either play oppressor or
oppressed. And in this

2062
01:55:57,900 --> 01:56:02,580
victimology madness, Jews are
somehow put at the bottom. This

2063
01:56:02,580 --> 01:56:02,760
is

2064
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Adam Curry: really phenomenal.
What we're witnessing here, the

2065
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whole the whole base, political
base, has been told for years

2066
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and years and years. You are
being oppressed, you're a

2067
01:56:19,260 --> 01:56:22,770
victim. you're black, you're
gay, you're lesbian, you're

2068
01:56:22,770 --> 01:56:27,150
trans, evil, evil right wingers,
white people, they hate you.

2069
01:56:27,150 --> 01:56:33,390
This is now now on MSNBC. We all
have to say yeah, you know, this

2070
01:56:33,390 --> 01:56:39,780
safe space does that bullcrap
it's falling apart. It's like a

2071
01:56:39,780 --> 01:56:44,640
natural occurrence. It's like,
like, like a fire putting itself

2072
01:56:44,670 --> 01:56:47,700
out. It's crazy. This is so
beautiful to watch

2073
01:56:47,730 --> 01:56:50,850
Unknown: madness. Jews are
somehow put at the bottom. But

2074
01:56:50,850 --> 01:56:54,600
here's the thing, Joe, I am so
tired of the cowardice. I am so

2075
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:57,960
tired of the university
presidents. I am looking right

2076
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:02,430
at you. If you violate title
six, and you make your students

2077
01:57:02,430 --> 01:57:05,580
unsafe, ADL is coming for you
know, if you

2078
01:57:07,050 --> 01:57:11,370
Adam Curry: let me tell you, I'm
more afraid of ADL than I am. Of

2079
01:57:11,370 --> 01:57:14,580
Education. Yeah. So hold on.
What is that? What is title six?

2080
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Exactly. Do you know what title
six is?

2081
01:57:16,860 --> 01:57:20,040
John C Dvorak: I think it's an
equal civil rights equal access

2082
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:20,520
kind of thing.

2083
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:26,610
Adam Curry: Okay. Overview.
Title 642. US US for US Code was

2084
01:57:26,610 --> 01:57:29,940
enacted as part of the landmark
civil rights act of 1964. It

2085
01:57:29,940 --> 01:57:33,690
prohibits discrimination on the
basis of race, color and

2086
01:57:33,690 --> 01:57:37,920
national origin in programs and
activities, receiving federal

2087
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:43,560
finance financial assistance. As
President Kennedy said in 1963,

2088
01:57:43,740 --> 01:57:47,130
simple justice requires that
public funds to which all

2089
01:57:47,130 --> 01:57:50,610
taxpayers of all races, colors
and national origins contribute

2090
01:57:50,820 --> 01:57:54,690
not be spent in any fashion,
which encourages in trenches

2091
01:57:54,690 --> 01:58:03,420
subsidize or results in racial
discrimination. So they're using

2092
01:58:03,630 --> 01:58:11,130
title six. I guess, to take away
funds from these universities,

2093
01:58:11,130 --> 01:58:13,920
these universities actually get
funds from the government.

2094
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:19,200
John C Dvorak: Well, you know
how it goes, do I search funds

2095
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:24,660
sometimes? A lot of research
money that goes into the big

2096
01:58:24,660 --> 01:58:27,690
schools, K through 12 gets
nothing but

2097
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:30,330
Adam Curry: medical, medical,
military,

2098
01:58:30,900 --> 01:58:32,070
John C Dvorak: military funds.

2099
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,280
Adam Curry: I thought it would
be a little more fun if they

2100
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,800
went to bust heads honestly. But
okay, so

2101
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,420
John C Dvorak: like, you know
what the seven schools were

2102
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transparent versus seven
schools,

2103
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:46,140
Unknown: find out a title six,
and you make your students

2104
01:58:46,140 --> 01:58:50,430
unsafe, ADL is coming for you.
If you create environments where

2105
01:58:50,430 --> 01:58:54,360
Jewish students are hostile or
being harassed, being targeted,

2106
01:58:54,540 --> 01:58:59,250
I got news for you. You may have
a moral weakness, but you also

2107
01:58:59,250 --> 01:59:04,020
have a fiduciary responsibility
to protect your institutions and

2108
01:59:04,020 --> 01:59:06,390
look whether you're going to
lose 10s of millions of donor

2109
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:11,100
dollars and you will or you lose
hundreds of millions in federal

2110
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:15,150
funding because you lose title
six, and you will we are coming

2111
01:59:15,150 --> 01:59:18,420
for you because I'm tired of
waiting Joe. I'm tired of

2112
01:59:18,420 --> 01:59:22,620
waiting for them to protect my
Jewish kids in school, so I'm

2113
01:59:22,620 --> 01:59:26,910
going to protect them with the
full force of the law. seven

2114
01:59:26,910 --> 01:59:29,520
Adam Curry: schools are an
investigation as of November 16,

2115
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:33,210
Lafayette College, Cornell
University, Columbia University

2116
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:37,590
Wellesley College, University of
Pennsylvania, the Cooper Union

2117
01:59:37,590 --> 01:59:41,880
for the advancement of science
and art, and Kansas is Mays

2118
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:46,350
Unified School District. Five of
the complaints allege anti

2119
01:59:46,350 --> 01:59:50,430
semitic harassment and to allege
anti Muslim harassment.

2120
01:59:52,350 --> 01:59:56,670
Unknown: Well, that just mean
where are these victims?

2121
01:59:59,550 --> 02:00:03,030
Adam Curry: The whole thing is
it's beautiful to watch ginned

2122
02:00:03,060 --> 02:00:07,110
up. It's yeah ginned up. It's
beautiful to watch like, stop

2123
02:00:07,110 --> 02:00:12,120
it. We can't have these protests
anymore. Please, please, please

2124
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,760
Trump, any of this stuff these
protests and

2125
02:00:15,870 --> 02:00:19,080
John C Dvorak: they don't need
more coverage by the mainstream

2126
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:22,260
media with signage that says
genocide Joe, they've been

2127
02:00:22,260 --> 02:00:24,390
keeping that pretty much to a
minimum. But you know, those

2128
02:00:24,390 --> 02:00:25,410
signs are everywhere.

2129
02:00:25,950 --> 02:00:30,960
Adam Curry: is great. But it's
hilarious. If there was a chant,

2130
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,630
I don't think I don't think I
clipped it because you couldn't

2131
02:00:33,630 --> 02:00:41,610
hear it well enough, but it was
a chant was it had genocide Joe

2132
02:00:41,610 --> 02:00:45,300
in there. But these chants are
they're just spells these

2133
02:00:45,300 --> 02:00:49,170
children are under spells. The
told hey, hey, ho ho genocide

2134
02:00:49,170 --> 02:00:53,790
Joe got to go. It's just spells.
It's witchcraft. And they've

2135
02:00:53,790 --> 02:00:59,040
fallen for it is fantastic.
That's good. It's pretty expect

2136
02:00:59,070 --> 02:01:02,940
let's go to Zelinsky for a
moment. Something beautiful

2137
02:01:02,940 --> 02:01:09,510
happened. Because I guess the
foreign secretary in the United

2138
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:15,900
Kingdom, where Ricci soon acts,
government. He's not elected by

2139
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:21,060
the way. He was just catapulted
in after they got rid of the

2140
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:27,270
woman. And so the female No,

2141
02:01:27,300 --> 02:01:29,490
John C Dvorak: yeah, he got
catapulted in after he got rid

2142
02:01:29,490 --> 02:01:30,630
of Boris Johnson.

2143
02:01:31,980 --> 02:01:35,910
Adam Curry: No, they had that
woman in for three weeks. Oh,

2144
02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:40,170
don't you remember? Yeah.
There's a interim Yeah. And then

2145
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:44,610
and he's interim too. And then
his foreign secretary said, and

2146
02:01:44,610 --> 02:01:47,250
we can't have all these
multiculturalism doesn't work.

2147
02:01:47,250 --> 02:01:50,730
Get him. Get him out of here.
Send them to Rwanda.

2148
02:01:51,390 --> 02:01:52,110
John C Dvorak: Rwanda.

2149
02:01:53,700 --> 02:01:57,240
Adam Curry: That's no good.
Bring back Cameron. Yeah, that

2150
02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:01,860
guy. So Cameron, if I recall, is
the guy who said we're not

2151
02:02:01,860 --> 02:02:04,410
worried about this Brexit we'll
just do a vote. Let's do an

2152
02:02:04,410 --> 02:02:07,920
election. We'll do a vote we'll
do and then, of course, Brexit

2153
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:12,150
took place. So he's got three
rug pulled up. He's a real

2154
02:02:12,150 --> 02:02:17,730
winner. So now he's been sent
over to to Ukraine to go talk to

2155
02:02:17,730 --> 02:02:21,210
the Lenski very dangerous
journey. As you can understand,

2156
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:23,940
Unknown: it's David Cameron's
first working trip abroad as the

2157
02:02:23,940 --> 02:02:28,110
UK Foreign Secretary, the
destination Kyiv to meet with

2158
02:02:28,110 --> 02:02:31,590
Ukrainian president Volodymyr
Zelensky and emphasize London

2159
02:02:31,590 --> 02:02:32,700
support for Ukraine

2160
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for moral support the diplomatic
support and economic military

2161
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:43,110
support just this year next
year, politics

2162
02:02:43,140 --> 02:02:46,050
the former UK Prime Minister
made a point of stating that he

2163
02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:49,590
plans to get the communications
right with all Ukraine's friends

2164
02:02:49,590 --> 02:02:52,500
and allies to ensure that the
attention is directed to

2165
02:02:52,500 --> 02:02:56,610
Ukraine. Other topics including
weapons and arms production and

2166
02:02:56,610 --> 02:03:00,480
the security situation in the
Black Sea. Zelinsky expressed

2167
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:03,330
his gratitude for Cameron's
visit at a time when global

2168
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attention has shifted to
Israel's war on Gaza.

2169
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You know the world is not focus
on on the station or on our

2170
02:03:11,820 --> 02:03:16,290
battle shells. In Ukraine. We
are thankful that UK always

2171
02:03:16,350 --> 02:03:17,670
supported Ukraine.

2172
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:22,080
It's been over 600 days since
Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

2173
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and the war is continuing with
no end in sight. both Ukrainian

2174
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and Russian authorities have
kept tight lipped on the number

2175
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:33,690
of soldiers killed since
February 2022. But some reports

2176
02:03:33,690 --> 02:03:38,880
put them close to 70,000 and
120,000 respectively. So far,

2177
02:03:38,910 --> 02:03:42,360
the UK has committed over 4
billion pounds in military

2178
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assistance to Ukraine committed

2179
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committed not paid committed.

2180
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:50,760
John C Dvorak: So have a bunch
of Ukraine clips. Yeah,

2181
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:53,520
Adam Curry: can I do my quick
little as Lensky thing just just

2182
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:58,290
to alert you to this to be on
the lookout. And these are good

2183
02:03:58,290 --> 02:04:03,960
memes. These are video memes of
Zelinsky. And so it's the same

2184
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:09,510
thing. It's like a guy like a
panhandler leaning through the

2185
02:04:09,540 --> 02:04:13,950
car window or a guy in front of
a whole bunch of slot machines.

2186
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:17,460
And they they stick the Lensky
his head on it with this with

2187
02:04:17,460 --> 02:04:18,750
this little quote from him.

2188
02:04:18,990 --> 02:04:23,370
Unknown: It will be when when
this old one if you can give us

2189
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:27,870
a gun give us some financial
support. Okay, okay, please give

2190
02:04:27,870 --> 02:04:30,840
us a credit. And we will give
you back money.

2191
02:04:31,860 --> 02:04:34,050
Adam Curry: Haven't baked in at
the slot machine. Give us a

2192
02:04:34,050 --> 02:04:37,770
credit. Just give us a credit.
Let's finally

2193
02:04:38,370 --> 02:04:38,820
John C Dvorak: Yeah,

2194
02:04:38,850 --> 02:04:39,930
Adam Curry: finally a good meme.

2195
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:42,150
John C Dvorak: I think some slot
machine makers should seriously

2196
02:04:42,150 --> 02:04:46,590
consider that when we haven't
said when when and have hedge on

2197
02:04:46,590 --> 02:04:49,680
the reels. Yeah, exactly. So
Minsky heads he was

2198
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:52,470
Adam Curry: a credit man, the
super jackpot. Come on, man.

2199
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:54,960
Give me an eight ball. Give me
the credit. Just give me credit.

2200
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:56,970
I'll pay you later. I promise to
pay you back.

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02:04:58,440 --> 02:04:59,670
Unknown: All right, what you got
on Ukraine.

2202
02:05:01,319 --> 02:05:02,819
John C Dvorak: These are the
updates and these are from

2203
02:05:02,819 --> 02:05:05,999
yesterday, so they're pretty
recent. Let's go with Ukraine

2204
02:05:05,999 --> 02:05:09,419
says I don't know It's not
supposed to be IRC, but it says

2205
02:05:09,419 --> 02:05:10,559
IRC PBS.

2206
02:05:10,620 --> 02:05:13,530
Unknown: In a Washington post op
ed today President Biden urged

2207
02:05:13,530 --> 02:05:16,950
support for Ukraine. He's asked
Congress for 10s of billions of

2208
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:20,040
dollars to support the nation
and its war with Russia. Most of

2209
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:23,130
that would be military aid, but
it also includes money to

2210
02:05:23,130 --> 02:05:26,460
address the humanitarian
situation, which as Ali Rogen

2211
02:05:26,460 --> 02:05:29,460
tells us gets worse by the day,
as Russia

2212
02:05:29,460 --> 02:05:32,220
increases its attacks on
critical infrastructure in

2213
02:05:32,220 --> 02:05:36,690
Ukraine, some 18 million
Ukrainians, about 40% of the

2214
02:05:36,690 --> 02:05:40,860
population are in need of
humanitarian aid, humanitarian

2215
02:05:40,860 --> 02:05:43,380
organizations on the ground are
working in a hostile

2216
02:05:43,380 --> 02:05:45,960
environment, trying to help
civilians caught in the

2217
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:49,440
crossfire who are searching for
safe haven. And those groups are

2218
02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:52,140
concerned that support for their
mission in the international

2219
02:05:52,140 --> 02:05:53,700
community is flagging

2220
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,240
Adam Curry: just out of
interest. I know you didn't mean

2221
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,400
it, but what do you think you
were trying to do when labeling

2222
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:05,070
this clip IRC? Which was just
curious what

2223
02:06:05,070 --> 02:06:07,320
John C Dvorak: they're all Yeah,
I think this leads up to my

2224
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:10,860
international relief committee.
Ah, okay. Got it got it got the

2225
02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:13,830
international relief Committee,
which is a rescue International

2226
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:14,250
Rescue.

2227
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:16,350
Adam Curry: This is the money
guys.

2228
02:06:17,460 --> 02:06:20,250
John C Dvorak: It's quite the
operation. They bring on

2229
02:06:20,250 --> 02:06:24,180
somebody a spokesperson, but I
went and did one I did a curry

2230
02:06:24,180 --> 02:06:29,340
dive. And so I ended up looking
at this you guys it's a huge

2231
02:06:29,340 --> 02:06:35,310
operation. 11,000 people working
in 40 countries. It goes back to

2232
02:06:35,310 --> 02:06:38,490
19. This was the irony of this,
like the international relief.

2233
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:43,170
Just goes back to 1931 was
Germany by two left wing

2234
02:06:43,170 --> 02:06:47,160
factions the Communist Party and
the Socialist Workers Party

2235
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:51,210
would to aid the victims of
state oppression and slowly

2236
02:06:51,210 --> 02:06:57,030
evolved to us Council on Foreign
Relations takeover. Wow, this is

2237
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:59,850
a complete front for the Council
on Foreign Relations. You look

2238
02:06:59,850 --> 02:07:03,420
at anybody on here, co chair of
the board of directors, Tim

2239
02:07:03,990 --> 02:07:05,130
Timothy Geithner

2240
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:11,940
Adam Curry: are one time. Second
Treasury US Treasury Secretary

2241
02:07:11,970 --> 02:07:12,330
Yeah,

2242
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:14,760
John C Dvorak: Council on
Foreign Relations. The law is

2243
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:20,460
fitted the Board of Directors
Laurence Fink, Blackrock Council

2244
02:07:20,460 --> 02:07:24,450
on Foreign Relations Janet
Napolitano, Council on Foreign

2245
02:07:24,450 --> 02:07:28,980
Relations. Executive Vice
President of Pfizer, Sally

2246
02:07:28,980 --> 02:07:34,680
Sussman, Council on Foreign
Relations, board of advisors,

2247
02:07:35,340 --> 02:07:41,160
Michael Blumenthal CFR Mary boy
CFR, Tom Brokaw, who is in the

2248
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:45,150
Council on Foreign Relations
ally Jedi Council on Foreign

2249
02:07:45,150 --> 02:07:49,410
Relations in McKinsey, Henry
Kissinger Council on Foreign

2250
02:07:49,410 --> 02:07:52,020
Relations and I found two people
that aren't on the Council on

2251
02:07:52,020 --> 02:07:56,850
Foreign Relations. Scott Pelley
who's on this thing?

2252
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:57,900
Adam Curry: He's on CBS,

2253
02:07:57,930 --> 02:08:02,580
John C Dvorak: this is another
sand live Allman. Now. I had to

2254
02:08:02,580 --> 02:08:06,990
go and figure out why how what?
Live almonds and 83 year old

2255
02:08:06,990 --> 02:08:11,850
Norwegian actors. Why is she on
this? Opera? Why she got

2256
02:08:11,850 --> 02:08:13,590
anything to do with this
operating business? You have

2257
02:08:13,590 --> 02:08:18,180
money? No. Didn't see if you can
guess live?

2258
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:20,610
Adam Curry: Or is she married to
someone special?

2259
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:24,480
John C Dvorak: She's old, which
is an old woman. What she used

2260
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:27,360
to date. Henry Kissinger. Ah,

2261
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:28,050
Adam Curry: there it is.

2262
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:31,350
John C Dvorak: And Kissinger
must be the greatest guy to know

2263
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:33,900
because if you don't turn on
him, he always pays you back.

2264
02:08:34,980 --> 02:08:37,770
Now the interesting one guy not
on the Council on Foreign

2265
02:08:37,770 --> 02:08:41,370
Relations is David Miliband,
who's the president and CEO. You

2266
02:08:41,370 --> 02:08:42,420
remember him? Yes, he

2267
02:08:42,420 --> 02:08:43,440
Adam Curry: isn't the former

2268
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:47,550
John C Dvorak: head of the
opposition at UK he was

2269
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:52,080
Adam Curry: weak, weak guy. He's
weak. He's not

2270
02:08:52,110 --> 02:08:55,020
John C Dvorak: in on the CFR but
he's a member of the Trilateral

2271
02:08:55,020 --> 02:08:55,620
Commission.

2272
02:08:55,650 --> 02:08:57,990
Adam Curry: There you go another
for another day. Another fan. So

2273
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:58,230
this

2274
02:08:58,230 --> 02:09:01,020
John C Dvorak: whole operation
is really sketchy. And I went

2275
02:09:01,020 --> 02:09:06,330
out of my way to just look up
some random person. So I looked

2276
02:09:06,330 --> 02:09:12,240
up Tracy rolls Wolstencroft,
just randomly, who's on the

2277
02:09:12,270 --> 02:09:16,530
board of advisors, and she's a
former Crofts, President, CEO,

2278
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:21,600
National Geographic Council on
Foreign Relations. Okay.

2279
02:09:22,230 --> 02:09:26,910
Everyone get it's unbelievable.
Counsel. So this is a front

2280
02:09:26,940 --> 02:09:30,450
operation for sock for globalist
as they bring them in for an

2281
02:09:30,450 --> 02:09:34,770
order a new world order. Yeah,
that's why PBS brings down the

2282
02:09:34,770 --> 02:09:38,610
spokesperson quite effortlessly.
But let's go back to Ukraine IRC

2283
02:09:38,610 --> 02:09:39,750
to Zoe

2284
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:42,600
Unknown: Daniels is the Senior
Director for the Ukraine crisis

2285
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:45,330
at the International Rescue
Committee, a humanitarian

2286
02:09:45,330 --> 02:09:48,810
organization. So we thank you so
much for joining us. Can you

2287
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:51,660
first take us through what are
the most pressing humanitarian

2288
02:09:51,660 --> 02:09:52,530
needs right now in

2289
02:09:52,530 --> 02:09:53,400
Adam Curry: Ukraine money.

2290
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:56,550
Unknown: So really, as you said,
heavy fighting carries on,

2291
02:09:56,850 --> 02:10:00,000
particularly in the southeast of
the country. It's damaging

2292
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,630
homes, hospitals, schools, other
civilian infrastructure. And

2293
02:10:03,630 --> 02:10:09,300
really for me, I'm in an area of
Ukraine, approximately the size

2294
02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:12,780
of Florida is now riddled with
landmines, which nearly two

2295
02:10:12,780 --> 02:10:16,320
years into a full scale war. And
after 10 years of conflict in

2296
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:20,730
eastern Ukraine, people's
ability to cope is severely

2297
02:10:20,730 --> 02:10:25,320
weakened. We've got alarming
statistics about the massive

2298
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:28,500
mental health impacts of the
wall, including the rise of

2299
02:10:28,530 --> 02:10:30,420
intimate partner violence at
home.

2300
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:34,440
Adam Curry: Oh, oh, that's an
interesting angle into

2301
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:37,800
John C Dvorak: Mitchell advisor
violent or wives, or vice versa,

2302
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:39,780
depending on how there's a
Ukrainian Jonas,

2303
02:10:39,810 --> 02:10:41,520
Adam Curry: the only thing she
did wrong, she said there's an

2304
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:45,270
uptick. She said right. Take
would have been more accurate

2305
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:46,560
uptick. uptick.

2306
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:50,820
John C Dvorak: Wow. So she goes
on and on and a bunch of stuff.

2307
02:10:50,820 --> 02:10:53,730
And here's kind of describing
because I thought they rousted

2308
02:10:53,730 --> 02:10:57,330
all the children out of the
Ukrainian war areas completely.

2309
02:10:57,330 --> 02:11:00,120
And there are a lot of them in
Poland. Some Russian Russians

2310
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:02,070
took a bunch of them. They're
all out of there. But according

2311
02:11:02,070 --> 02:11:04,860
to her, they're all They're
being traumatized. But let's go

2312
02:11:04,860 --> 02:11:06,630
to clip three 4.1

2313
02:11:06,630 --> 02:11:09,690
Unknown: million children inside
Ukraine need humanitarian aid.

2314
02:11:09,810 --> 02:11:13,710
It's become a daily reality for
this generation of violence,

2315
02:11:13,710 --> 02:11:16,860
trauma, destruction and
displacement. Children are being

2316
02:11:16,860 --> 02:11:21,150
killed and wounded that deeply
traumatized by violence, which

2317
02:11:21,180 --> 02:11:21,690
I'm

2318
02:11:21,690 --> 02:11:26,550
Adam Curry: sorry, excuse me,
lady. Right now the children

2319
02:11:26,580 --> 02:11:31,650
deaths just script is Gaza and
Israel. You can't hijack the

2320
02:11:31,650 --> 02:11:35,760
script. Now for some Ukrainian
kids. You have incubators? Does

2321
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:38,400
she have incubators jar? Does
she have incubators? Otherwise?

2322
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:39,870
It's just it's gonna fall flat?

2323
02:11:41,430 --> 02:11:44,190
John C Dvorak: No, I don't think
knowing her out of the pictures

2324
02:11:44,190 --> 02:11:44,610
I

2325
02:11:44,610 --> 02:11:47,130
Adam Curry: agree means that
three means you got premies No,

2326
02:11:47,190 --> 02:11:49,440
it's not good enough not to
traumatize

2327
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:52,200
John C Dvorak: this script is
weak, its weak. What happens

2328
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:56,760
when your giant organization
that is kind of run by their CFR

2329
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,830
and it's like, you know, you
don't have the top notch

2330
02:11:58,830 --> 02:11:59,400
writers,

2331
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:02,160
Adam Curry: but the role is
through Chad GPT or something,

2332
02:12:02,430 --> 02:12:03,480
sets it up a bit,

2333
02:12:03,870 --> 02:12:07,890
Unknown: which leaves really
long lasting scars. It's really

2334
02:12:07,890 --> 02:12:11,700
affected their future. There's
been prolonged disruption both

2335
02:12:11,700 --> 02:12:16,170
by the war and then before that
there was the preceding COVID 19

2336
02:12:16,170 --> 02:12:21,030
pandemic. And so this is four
years of educational challenges

2337
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:21,570
for students.

2338
02:12:22,530 --> 02:12:24,810
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think we
have that here in America to

2339
02:12:24,810 --> 02:12:25,380
Zoey

2340
02:12:27,780 --> 02:12:31,770
John C Dvorak: men. Okay. Pretty
much. Yeah. In play it out. For

2341
02:12:32,190 --> 02:12:33,090
Unknown: fires and for Are you

2342
02:12:33,090 --> 02:12:36,480
concerned that international
attention is turning away from

2343
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:37,890
Ukraine. There's

2344
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:41,460
always competing priorities in
the world and the humanitarian

2345
02:12:41,460 --> 02:12:46,830
response plan for Ukraine is
only funded up 46%. Even though

2346
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:50,040
for example, the United States
has outstanding he contributed

2347
02:12:50,070 --> 02:12:54,090
2.6 billion in life saving
humanitarian aid, which really

2348
02:12:54,090 --> 02:12:56,610
helped Ukrainians to the
constant shelling and last

2349
02:12:56,610 --> 02:13:01,440
year's harsh winter. The needs
are currently estimated at 3.9 5

2350
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:06,300
billion USD, which, you know,
currently, humanitarian funding

2351
02:13:06,300 --> 02:13:10,200
to Ukraine is half of what it
was in 2022. There's political

2352
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:14,370
will in the country and among
key allies, that really remains

2353
02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:19,050
high. But funding shortages
really hamper humanitarian

2354
02:13:19,050 --> 02:13:20,940
stability to assist more people.

2355
02:13:21,180 --> 02:13:23,670
Zoe Daniels with the
International Rescue Committee.

2356
02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:24,930
Thank you so much for your time.

2357
02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:30,390
Adam Curry: Where are these
people for Haiti? Or the Uighur?

2358
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:30,690
Yeah,

2359
02:13:30,720 --> 02:13:34,080
John C Dvorak: well, yeah,
before where's the aid? We still

2360
02:13:34,110 --> 02:13:37,050
where's the call for a ceasefire
in the Ukraine thing when they

2361
02:13:37,050 --> 02:13:40,230
just want more money asking for
a ceasefire?

2362
02:13:40,260 --> 02:13:45,450
Adam Curry: No, you know the
peace is not profitable. This is

2363
02:13:45,450 --> 02:13:48,060
this is the major problem but
can we make peace profitable

2364
02:13:48,060 --> 02:13:50,250
again, make peace profitable
again?

2365
02:13:50,430 --> 02:13:53,010
John C Dvorak: There you go. I
think that's that should be a

2366
02:13:53,550 --> 02:13:57,780
kind of a bumper sticker. No,
put it on a sign and watch

2367
02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:58,350
around with it.

2368
02:14:00,690 --> 02:14:03,780
Adam Curry: Elon make peace
profitable. Yeah, this is a good

2369
02:14:03,780 --> 02:14:06,090
idea. I shall make a sign and
walk around with it in

2370
02:14:06,090 --> 02:14:07,860
Fredericksburg. Yeah.

2371
02:14:10,080 --> 02:14:11,100
John C Dvorak: It fit right in

2372
02:14:12,330 --> 02:14:16,290
Adam Curry: with the tourists.
Mass filling up as we got as

2373
02:14:16,290 --> 02:14:18,330
Christmas is coming. You know,
you want a traditional

2374
02:14:18,330 --> 02:14:20,970
Christmas. You come to
Fredericksburg. The lights are

2375
02:14:20,970 --> 02:14:21,450
up,

2376
02:14:22,020 --> 02:14:24,300
John C Dvorak: though I'm sure
it's dynamite. Beautiful put in

2377
02:14:24,300 --> 02:14:25,860
we're putting the newsletter.
Yes,

2378
02:14:25,890 --> 02:14:28,290
Adam Curry: it's it's getting
beautiful. It really is. We just

2379
02:14:28,290 --> 02:14:33,390
need some snow. Which supposedly
this is Thanksgiving. We're

2380
02:14:33,390 --> 02:14:38,100
supposed to get snow here in in
the hill country. So I'm waiting

2381
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:42,510
for the snow button.
snowpocalypse part two. So we

2382
02:14:42,510 --> 02:14:43,530
can have a snow plow. You

2383
02:14:43,530 --> 02:14:45,540
John C Dvorak: got an attachment
for your trunk?

2384
02:14:45,570 --> 02:14:50,310
Adam Curry: No truck. Now I got
bird dog across the way if I

2385
02:14:50,310 --> 02:14:53,010
really if I'm really in trouble,
I just walked over to bird dogs

2386
02:14:53,010 --> 02:14:54,990
place. bird dogs got everything.

2387
02:14:55,980 --> 02:14:57,090
John C Dvorak: He gets no shoes.

2388
02:14:57,390 --> 02:15:00,300
Adam Curry: I do have snow
shoes. Does big giant ones. No,

2389
02:15:00,300 --> 02:15:01,860
I have snow boots

2390
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:04,320
John C Dvorak: out boots with
the you got the little spikes on

2391
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:10,350
there so you don't fall on your
ass don't seem prepared. If you

2392
02:15:10,350 --> 02:15:11,160
asked me I got

2393
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:13,920
Adam Curry: a generator. That's
all I care about. I got a

2394
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:18,090
generator and a freezer full of
beef. No worries, all good.

2395
02:15:19,590 --> 02:15:24,360
There was a native ads situation
taking place in the UK, which

2396
02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:29,910
one of our producers caught and
it was a doozy. Which is, and I

2397
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:34,440
think this may be a strategy.
There's a lot of talk now and

2398
02:15:34,440 --> 02:15:39,510
the lawyers are warming up to
sue Pfizer and possibly Well, no

2399
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:45,420
Pfizer specifically because of
their manufacture of the mRNA.

2400
02:15:46,680 --> 02:15:51,030
Vaccines which were manufactured
differently from the embrace a

2401
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:52,230
use authorization,

2402
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:56,160
John C Dvorak: specifically
because they have super deep

2403
02:15:56,160 --> 02:15:59,790
pockets. It's a good one that
goes in the dirt. You could put

2404
02:15:59,790 --> 02:16:01,350
them out of business, who cares?
Yeah,

2405
02:16:01,380 --> 02:16:06,570
Adam Curry: it's a good one to
go after. And we also know so

2406
02:16:06,630 --> 02:16:10,440
Pfizer is arguably in trouble
for this and they need to

2407
02:16:10,830 --> 02:16:14,910
refocus. The UK is a good place
to start, you know, the

2408
02:16:14,910 --> 02:16:19,440
different laws works a little
differently. And the media is

2409
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:22,440
good over there. So this is a

2410
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:25,080
John C Dvorak: fight because
they're not getting and let's

2411
02:16:25,140 --> 02:16:28,800
make this pointed out once
again, because they're not

2412
02:16:28,830 --> 02:16:32,460
getting drug, Big Pharma money
for advertising.

2413
02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:36,690
Adam Curry: Well, so they
slipped this one in, and the way

2414
02:16:36,690 --> 02:16:40,410
they did it this a long game.
They have a couple they both

2415
02:16:40,410 --> 02:16:45,030
happen to be actors. So these
are actual actors. And this is

2416
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:51,300
the guy his wife actress, was
harmed by the AstraZeneca

2417
02:16:52,259 --> 02:16:56,879
Unknown: vaccine. Okay, that's a
blood clot. Yes, that blood clot

2418
02:16:56,910 --> 02:17:00,120
Adam Curry: issue. This is well
known, you know, AstraZeneca was

2419
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:05,220
halted. So now they're going
after AstraZeneca. And this is a

2420
02:17:05,220 --> 02:17:10,800
two parter, but very interesting
as a setup, and, and, and really

2421
02:17:10,830 --> 02:17:14,280
a Grand Slam. So this is a
really bad for who I'm sorry,

2422
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:17,550
while you listen, just okay, I'm
going to surprise you.

2423
02:17:18,059 --> 02:17:20,969
Unknown: The Big Pharma vaccine
maker is being sued for 10s of

2424
02:17:20,969 --> 02:17:24,749
millions of pounds in a test
case, or mass tort action

2425
02:17:24,749 --> 02:17:28,079
depending on your continent,
brought by the British family of

2426
02:17:28,079 --> 02:17:31,979
one person allegedly killed by
the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine,

2427
02:17:32,249 --> 02:17:35,219
and another who was brain
injured, allegedly as a result

2428
02:17:35,219 --> 02:17:39,809
of the same vaccine at others
are co joined in the case,

2429
02:17:40,109 --> 02:17:45,179
including Australian born West
End actor Mel Stewart, the 42

2430
02:17:45,179 --> 02:17:48,989
year old suffered a devastating
brain bleed and has a titanium

2431
02:17:48,989 --> 02:17:53,849
plate to protect her skull from
emergency surgery after

2432
02:17:53,849 --> 02:17:57,269
receiving the AstraZeneca
vaccine in southwest London in

2433
02:17:57,299 --> 02:18:02,849
April 2021. I'm joined now by
her husband, Ben Lewis. Ben is

2434
02:18:02,849 --> 02:18:06,959
also an actor, but he's given up
his career to be by his wife

2435
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:09,839
side in what must be the
greatest challenge of their

2436
02:18:09,839 --> 02:18:11,519
lives. Yeah,

2437
02:18:12,090 --> 02:18:18,240
no had no had a significant
stroke caused by by two clots in

2438
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:24,030
her brain. Mill had a bleed on
the right on the sorry, on the

2439
02:18:25,380 --> 02:18:28,020
right hand side of her brain,
the left hand side of her brain,

2440
02:18:28,050 --> 02:18:32,040
excuse me. And that's resulted
in her having speech

2441
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:35,310
difficulties. She suffers from
what are called what is known as

2442
02:18:35,310 --> 02:18:38,940
aphasia and apraxia of speech,
which is basically a breakdown

2443
02:18:38,940 --> 02:18:42,840
in the communication between the
brain and and your your speech.

2444
02:18:43,500 --> 02:18:47,790
Mill also has significant right
sided deficits as is common with

2445
02:18:47,790 --> 02:18:51,600
lots of strokes and no has
limited use of her right leg,

2446
02:18:51,600 --> 02:18:54,660
she can walk with the assistance
of an orthotic device and her

2447
02:18:54,660 --> 02:18:57,480
right arm has very little
functional movement at all.

2448
02:18:58,799 --> 02:19:02,699
Adam Curry: So that's the setup.
And you heard it's a proper case

2449
02:19:02,699 --> 02:19:05,099
it got a lot of people have even
said, Hey, this is something

2450
02:19:05,099 --> 02:19:07,139
that could work in American
depending on your continent. We

2451
02:19:07,139 --> 02:19:10,829
call that a mass tort case. Now
to complete the script, you've

2452
02:19:10,829 --> 02:19:15,299
always got to say but you know
what, we're not anti vaxxers. We

2453
02:19:15,299 --> 02:19:15,689
are pro

2454
02:19:15,690 --> 02:19:19,830
Unknown: vaccination melonite
both, but we completely respect

2455
02:19:19,830 --> 02:19:24,000
everyone's right to choose. That
is not the issue at play here.

2456
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:27,930
10s of 1000s of particularly
older people were dying in care

2457
02:19:27,930 --> 02:19:33,420
homes throughout the UK, when we
came to get our vaccines, the

2458
02:19:33,420 --> 02:19:36,630
way it was in the UK is that you
did not have a choice as to

2459
02:19:36,630 --> 02:19:41,550
which one you were given. It was
dictated by age. No was six

2460
02:19:41,550 --> 02:19:46,770
months over 40 At the time, so
she was offered the AstraZeneca

2461
02:19:46,770 --> 02:19:50,700
vaccine, which was we could have
gotten no could have got an

2462
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:54,180
alternative vaccine if she'd
been under 40 years old. But she

2463
02:19:54,180 --> 02:19:58,200
wasn't given a choice. And we
just feel like yes, the vaccine

2464
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:02,220
saved and helped lots of people
But we feel like it is incumbent

2465
02:20:02,250 --> 02:20:06,870
on the government to take care
of the few people who fell

2466
02:20:06,870 --> 02:20:09,720
through the cracks and whose
lives have been devastated for

2467
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:11,760
what as you said, Chris for
doing the right thing.

2468
02:20:12,210 --> 02:20:16,770
Have you kept up to date with
COVID 19 vaccination versus

2469
02:20:17,490 --> 02:20:21,780
we have we have Chris, my wife,
my wife received a Pfizer

2470
02:20:21,780 --> 02:20:28,170
vaccine. People may be
gobsmacked. She She as I say

2471
02:20:28,170 --> 02:20:32,130
we've we've always had it put
our faith in the experts. By the

2472
02:20:32,130 --> 02:20:35,640
time we've got the Pfizer
vaccine it's very clear that

2473
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:42,030
that's a highly effective
vaccine we should have got that

2474
02:20:42,030 --> 02:20:44,520
one in hospital which was
necessary because the hospitals

2475
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:48,660
were full of COVID when she was
in there and we're actually

2476
02:20:48,660 --> 02:20:50,550
going for a booster next week
and I'd encourage

2477
02:20:52,650 --> 02:20:54,480
Adam Curry: the Oscar goes to

2478
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:58,050
John C Dvorak: okay you get I
had to do this because I'm

2479
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:01,260
sitting there with a clip of the
day already but I'm going to

2480
02:21:01,350 --> 02:21:03,030
give you a clip of the day for
that I

2481
02:21:03,030 --> 02:21:03,930
Unknown: thank you very much.

2482
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:08,460
Adam Curry: I forget which
producers sent that to me but of

2483
02:21:08,460 --> 02:21:09,750
course honors that

2484
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:11,790
John C Dvorak: producers should
get Clip of the Day should send

2485
02:21:11,790 --> 02:21:16,890
it to him when you get it shows
up as a very small trophy for

2486
02:21:16,890 --> 02:21:19,860
people who don't know we have a
bunch of them lined up around

2487
02:21:19,860 --> 02:21:23,160
the house when you get that ship
it

2488
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:27,030
Adam Curry: will do and with
that I'd like to thank you for

2489
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:29,490
your courage and say in the
morning to you the man who put

2490
02:21:29,490 --> 02:21:32,580
the sea in the IRC and the CFR
ladies gentlemen say hello to my

2491
02:21:32,580 --> 02:21:34,050
friend on the other end the one
no limits

2492
02:21:42,420 --> 02:21:43,530
John C Dvorak: are the names out
there

2493
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:46,770
Adam Curry: in the morning?
Troll the troll room we are at

2494
02:21:46,770 --> 02:21:58,290
two hours and 23 minutes.
26 2027 On this Sunday. How much

2495
02:21:58,410 --> 02:21:59,760
2027

2496
02:22:00,930 --> 02:22:06,510
John C Dvorak: That's 400 under
it's the holiday season people

2497
02:22:06,510 --> 02:22:07,170
aren't home

2498
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:09,030
Adam Curry: I think you need to
do the new numbers. We're doing

2499
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:12,810
these these donation segments
after the two hour mark. That

2500
02:22:12,810 --> 02:22:17,370
mean I'm sure we'd lost 400
along the way probably probably

2501
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:20,340
with the Ukraine stuff once we
hit Ukraine you're like ah,

2502
02:22:20,700 --> 02:22:21,450
that's no good. People

2503
02:22:21,450 --> 02:22:22,410
John C Dvorak: don't want to
hear about it.

2504
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:24,690
Adam Curry: I went to a meet up
yesterday.

2505
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:26,760
John C Dvorak: Oh yeah. How did
meetup go?

2506
02:22:27,150 --> 02:22:30,810
Adam Curry: The meetup was
phenomenal. I think sir Scott

2507
02:22:30,810 --> 02:22:33,420
sent in a meet up report which
I'll play in a moment I just

2508
02:22:33,420 --> 02:22:38,370
want to say we had a great time.
Tina and I went we went with the

2509
02:22:38,430 --> 02:22:42,690
other podcasters from living up
at a down world jemena net and

2510
02:22:42,690 --> 02:22:45,930
so it was kind of a combo but it
was it was double the amount

2511
02:22:45,930 --> 02:22:49,710
typically a duck's back yards
about 5060 people despite the

2512
02:22:49,710 --> 02:22:52,800
rain a little bit of drizzle
here and there. Dogs backyard

2513
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:55,170
always takes good care of the
group bear and Scott and

2514
02:22:55,170 --> 02:22:58,710
Christine they they were there
they organize it as usual with

2515
02:22:58,710 --> 02:23:01,680
everyone had a lanyard with
their name which shows you

2516
02:23:01,710 --> 02:23:05,550
lanyard lanyard a lanyard with a
little badge Yep. And if you try

2517
02:23:05,550 --> 02:23:09,360
and leave with your lanyard
he'll he'll he'll confiscate it.

2518
02:23:10,860 --> 02:23:13,890
We'll tackle you Hey, get that
back. And you know, hey,

2519
02:23:13,890 --> 02:23:16,230
John C Dvorak: we already have
so many lanyards are made out of

2520
02:23:16,230 --> 02:23:16,560
money.

2521
02:23:16,590 --> 02:23:19,440
Adam Curry: That's exactly
right. Yeah, exactly. Right. had

2522
02:23:20,430 --> 02:23:24,240
heads on sticks people there and
of course Baron Gordon Walton

2523
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:28,200
he's, he drove me to the very
first meetup ever in Austin

2524
02:23:28,350 --> 02:23:33,120
Pharma. Chris, stop by? Well,
I've known chief since I lived

2525
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:36,990
in downtown even before I've
lived in downtown Austin, he

2526
02:23:36,990 --> 02:23:42,060
does the the eggs in the farmers
markets and he has an affair.

2527
02:23:42,060 --> 02:23:46,350
Yes. 5000 chickens now quite
large chickens. And a new new

2528
02:23:46,350 --> 02:23:52,500
producers who escaped California
and moved to the Austin area and

2529
02:23:52,500 --> 02:23:55,950
he's a genetic researcher. What
was the actual title? The

2530
02:23:55,950 --> 02:24:01,140
genetic grease no genetic Reese
searcher, but it was it was like

2531
02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:06,840
informatic do something or
other. So I immediately went,

2532
02:24:07,020 --> 02:24:10,440
Oh, so you know about COVID
vaccines? He said, Yep. Don't

2533
02:24:10,440 --> 02:24:15,570
take him. He said stay away,
says there's there's real, real

2534
02:24:15,570 --> 02:24:19,890
good stuff coming for cancer in
particular with genetics, you

2535
02:24:19,890 --> 02:24:22,110
know, the stuff that can be
done, but none of it's ready for

2536
02:24:22,110 --> 02:24:28,740
primetime. So that was his, his
contribution. Lots lot. Lots of

2537
02:24:28,740 --> 02:24:31,470
people remembered some new
people's it was a great, great

2538
02:24:31,470 --> 02:24:35,940
meetup and I do have several
donations, which I will read

2539
02:24:35,940 --> 02:24:41,610
after we go through Well,
there's two we got a PhD and we

2540
02:24:41,610 --> 02:24:44,400
executive producer so I'll do
those and then some some other

2541
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:47,340
ones I want to read to thank
everybody it was quite a nice

2542
02:24:47,490 --> 02:24:53,460
meet up and it was good to good
to see everybody now. The

2543
02:24:53,460 --> 02:24:59,160
trolls, that's where I was. So
unfortunately, we were losing

2544
02:24:59,160 --> 02:25:03,090
our trolls. It is is a holiday
weekend or holiday week? holiday

2545
02:25:03,090 --> 02:25:06,060
week holiday week? Yes, we'll be
here on Thanksgiving. On

2546
02:25:06,060 --> 02:25:09,870
Thursday. We'll be doing our
show. And I've been a few people

2547
02:25:09,870 --> 02:25:13,380
appreciate it. I'll be here
until five. So I'll be late for

2548
02:25:13,380 --> 02:25:16,590
Thanksgiving dinner as usual.
But that's just what it is these

2549
02:25:16,590 --> 02:25:17,490
days. It's just

2550
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,050
John C Dvorak: it's just the
time you eat Thanksgiving

2551
02:25:19,050 --> 02:25:19,470
dinner.

2552
02:25:19,860 --> 02:25:24,750
Adam Curry: Well, we're having
dinner at the international arms

2553
02:25:24,750 --> 02:25:27,630
dealers House of Pancakes of
international harms dealers

2554
02:25:27,630 --> 02:25:33,060
house. So there'll be there'll
be, they'll probably be starting

2555
02:25:33,060 --> 02:25:35,910
around 530. So yeah, we're done
around five. So I'll have to

2556
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:39,900
change quickly and and bogie on
over there. Tina will be there

2557
02:25:39,900 --> 02:25:43,320
before doesn't matter. We'd love
doing that for no agenda nation.

2558
02:25:43,590 --> 02:25:47,040
If you want to be a troll, you
can join us at troll room.io You

2559
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:50,610
can log in there, you can listen
to the stream live. Or you could

2560
02:25:50,610 --> 02:25:53,430
get a modern podcast app
podcast. apps.com.

2561
02:25:54,660 --> 02:25:56,520
Unknown: What? The nothing

2562
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:59,010
Adam Curry: while you were
saying something? No, no, I

2563
02:25:59,010 --> 02:26:01,500
John C Dvorak: wasn't Forget it.
Woman Don't make noise. Don't

2564
02:26:01,500 --> 02:26:03,180
make noise. I just made it
grunt.

2565
02:26:06,030 --> 02:26:08,460
Adam Curry: podcast apps.com Get
a modern podcast app, you're

2566
02:26:08,460 --> 02:26:11,070
gonna want it for a couple of
reasons. One, you can get the

2567
02:26:11,100 --> 02:26:14,310
the show live and you can listen
to it live. It'll tell you when

2568
02:26:14,310 --> 02:26:16,800
it's going to start. The
currently I'm using podcast

2569
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:21,330
guru. I like podcast guru. And
it's also it'll update within 90

2570
02:26:21,330 --> 02:26:24,570
seconds of us posting the show
no waiting for Apple or any

2571
02:26:24,570 --> 02:26:28,110
other bogus legacy apps or get
something new, you will not

2572
02:26:28,110 --> 02:26:33,300
regret it. For 16 years value
for value. This is this is how

2573
02:26:33,330 --> 02:26:36,480
we've been keeping the show
alive. I think if you've

2574
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:39,270
listened so far, in this
episode, you're gonna understand

2575
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:42,030
why advertising would probably
not work. Media Matters would

2576
02:26:42,030 --> 02:26:47,250
just be camped outside of our
homes. telling people how

2577
02:26:47,250 --> 02:26:50,220
horrible we are trying to hit us
where it hurts in our pocket

2578
02:26:50,220 --> 02:26:53,520
book wouldn't matter because
we'd have no pocket book. Those

2579
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:57,300
guys would have gotten rid of us
a long time ago. So all we ask

2580
02:26:57,300 --> 02:26:59,340
is that you support us with your
time, your talent or your

2581
02:26:59,340 --> 02:27:02,160
treasure, whatever value you get
out of the show, put it back

2582
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:04,470
into it, you can do it by
organizing a meetup. That's a

2583
02:27:04,470 --> 02:27:07,230
great way to do it. You can do
it by hitting somebody in the

2584
02:27:07,230 --> 02:27:11,190
mouth, you can get it by doing
jingles for us. You can, oh my

2585
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:13,800
goodness, you can, you can
provide a boots on the ground.

2586
02:27:13,950 --> 02:27:17,130
We always need treasure. So if
you've got treasure and you want

2587
02:27:17,130 --> 02:27:20,490
to put that into a number,
people love numbers, please do

2588
02:27:20,490 --> 02:27:25,170
that and send it to us. And one
thing we enjoy a lot is what our

2589
02:27:25,170 --> 02:27:29,190
artists do for us through value
for value. They're listening

2590
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:32,250
live as we are doing the show
and they're coming up with

2591
02:27:32,250 --> 02:27:37,920
ideas. We know that fresh album
art works. People love seeing it

2592
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:41,250
they they they get a kick out of
a lot of the art and it helps

2593
02:27:41,250 --> 02:27:44,940
them you know understand what's
going to be in the show. It's

2594
02:27:44,940 --> 02:27:48,420
often just humorous, it's
sometimes it's all of the above.

2595
02:27:48,690 --> 02:27:52,230
And we want to thank the artists
who brought us the album art for

2596
02:27:52,230 --> 02:27:58,020
episode 1608 titled woke up
dead. Joe and that's fo deadly

2597
02:27:58,020 --> 02:28:03,810
sir Schug and this was pretty
much a go from from the start

2598
02:28:03,810 --> 02:28:07,560
for both of us. This was the
multiple dreidels we could

2599
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:12,420
choose between if you spun the
dreidel you get Palestinian flag

2600
02:28:12,420 --> 02:28:18,120
and Israeli flag you get a
Ukraine flag a trans flag a

2601
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:22,020
Black Lives Matter flag. Just
beautiful. The dreidel dreidel

2602
02:28:22,050 --> 02:28:26,250
of trans Maoism we actually have
a title for them to the title

2603
02:28:26,250 --> 02:28:29,100
this something usually the
oldest put a title on

2604
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:32,790
John C Dvorak: it. Yeah, he
called it spun up game. Well,

2605
02:28:32,940 --> 02:28:33,150
and

2606
02:28:33,150 --> 02:28:35,910
Adam Curry: the Oh yeah, there
was also a spun up angle to it.

2607
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:39,240
It was good. It was really good
fo diddley we like that a lot

2608
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:42,540
and I'm trying to get to the Art
Generator Here we go. I'm sorry

2609
02:28:42,540 --> 02:28:44,610
it gets slow on slow on show
days.

2610
02:28:45,300 --> 02:28:47,250
John C Dvorak: It's just been
slow recently I don't know

2611
02:28:47,250 --> 02:28:48,120
what's what's wrong.

2612
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:50,040
Unknown: I hope so we

2613
02:28:50,040 --> 02:28:51,930
John C Dvorak: have a couple of
things that we had like face

2614
02:28:51,930 --> 02:28:58,080
screen future by Gibson which is
so a I was like forget it we're

2615
02:28:58,080 --> 02:28:59,940
not gonna get it. No way.

2616
02:29:00,180 --> 02:29:03,750
Adam Curry: I like networks all
spun up. He had a tarp that was

2617
02:29:03,750 --> 02:29:03,930
all

2618
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:06,960
John C Dvorak: you had to stop
which is also a I have some sort

2619
02:29:06,990 --> 02:29:09,840
of liked it though. It was good.
That was nice, but it wasn't it

2620
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:14,220
was the dreidels the dreidel we
both I think we like to Osama

2621
02:29:14,220 --> 02:29:19,470
bin Laden writing from
Scaramanga right doing a just

2622
02:29:19,470 --> 02:29:22,110
right. Oh, just writing tickets.

2623
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:23,970
Unknown: Try boobs.

2624
02:29:24,810 --> 02:29:30,810
John C Dvorak: Growing boobs on
his on the paper we like to pull

2625
02:29:30,810 --> 02:29:34,200
the rug objection nicked a rat
came in with a rare disease like

2626
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:37,230
still leading I think all time
we do the polar bear where

2627
02:29:37,230 --> 02:29:40,140
that's the bomb just coming down
hitting him

2628
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:43,710
Adam Curry: pitches wasn't
wasn't Nick's best work. No, but

2629
02:29:43,710 --> 02:29:45,660
John C Dvorak: it was it was
funny. It was getting in there

2630
02:29:45,660 --> 02:29:51,240
was the cows flying cows by
pickled surprise. I thought that

2631
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:52,320
was good. Yeah.

2632
02:29:52,980 --> 02:29:54,090
Unknown: Yeah, we had.

2633
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:57,780
John C Dvorak: Also I liked the
letter from correct a record.

2634
02:29:58,290 --> 02:30:00,360
Dear America, you suck. No No

2635
02:30:01,860 --> 02:30:04,890
Adam Curry: that was Osama bin
Laden American you suck and I

2636
02:30:04,890 --> 02:30:08,790
hate all of you more than
anything love Osama PS Jihad me

2637
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:16,770
at Jihad me at a low like this
that gag was I mean it was good

2638
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:19,170
it was good it was a lot of
stuff we could have picked that

2639
02:30:19,170 --> 02:30:21,750
was good or and you can see some
of this in those same modern

2640
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:24,210
podcast apps Dred Scott puts it
in his the album art. So as

2641
02:30:24,210 --> 02:30:27,120
you're driving along, just put
your phone up on your dashboard

2642
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:30,240
or connected to your car play or
your Android Auto and you'll see

2643
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:33,900
your hand the road. You'll see
these you'll see these things

2644
02:30:33,900 --> 02:30:36,300
flipping by as you're driving,
you'll get distracted but you're

2645
02:30:36,300 --> 02:30:40,200
like it. Now let us think the
treasure part of the three T's

2646
02:30:40,200 --> 02:30:42,690
time, talent and treasure, the
executive and Associate

2647
02:30:42,690 --> 02:30:48,690
Executive producers of this
episode, which is 1609 and we

2648
02:30:48,690 --> 02:30:52,800
kick it off with an anonymous
donation of wow a show number

2649
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:59,730
donation 16 Oh Nyer from sucking
Pennsylvania I guess I should

2650
02:30:59,730 --> 02:31:03,900
know is it's a cane Sacani
Pennsylvania is not that

2651
02:31:03,900 --> 02:31:07,590
sophisticated. So cane. Hey,
John, Adam, please keep me

2652
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:10,500
anonymous. I'll try to keep
these short Pennsylvania donors

2653
02:31:10,530 --> 02:31:13,980
now please, I'll try to keep
this short which anonymous kind

2654
02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:17,100
of did which he doesn't. I've
been listening since Adams first

2655
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:20,190
Rogan appearance but my crazy
brain was hung up on trying to

2656
02:31:20,190 --> 02:31:23,610
do a show number instant
donation. There was also a prime

2657
02:31:23,610 --> 02:31:27,600
number. Is this a prime number
do we forget an important

2658
02:31:27,960 --> 02:31:30,900
John C Dvorak: number refusing
divided by someone with the can

2659
02:31:31,320 --> 02:31:31,800
disguise

2660
02:31:31,800 --> 02:31:34,350
Adam Curry: a hero refusing the
jab forced me out of work for

2661
02:31:34,350 --> 02:31:39,210
nearly a year and limited union
job opportunities in the city of

2662
02:31:39,210 --> 02:31:42,300
mostly Hospital in college
construction that mandated shots

2663
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:46,680
through most of 2022. And you
got some courage. I've been

2664
02:31:46,680 --> 02:31:47,250
working

2665
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:49,650
John C Dvorak: guts and I
appreciate I think it's this

2666
02:31:49,650 --> 02:31:51,900
guy's got balls. Good for you.

2667
02:31:52,020 --> 02:31:55,110
Adam Curry: I've been working on
rebuilding savings. But that's

2668
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:58,710
not easy with a newborn and mid
pandemic new car.

2669
02:31:59,580 --> 02:32:00,390
Unknown: What does that mean?

2670
02:32:01,260 --> 02:32:02,850
John C Dvorak: You bought a car.
You

2671
02:32:02,850 --> 02:32:06,060
Adam Curry: had the possibility
of earning a PhD on a prime

2672
02:32:06,060 --> 02:32:10,410
number show forced my recouping
savings to dwindle once more in

2673
02:32:10,410 --> 02:32:14,700
your favor, priorities and
principles matter. So thank you

2674
02:32:14,700 --> 02:32:17,730
for what you do and keep
interjecting logic in the

2675
02:32:17,730 --> 02:32:20,820
screwed up times. I would like
to be knighted sir prime doctor

2676
02:32:20,820 --> 02:32:23,850
of illuminated thinking. And he
says PS Could you recommend a

2677
02:32:23,850 --> 02:32:27,030
good audio capture program? He
sent him a note for collecting

2678
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:30,570
sound bites from both video and
audio to send your way. What did

2679
02:32:30,570 --> 02:32:32,100
you do? May I ask what you
recommend? I

2680
02:32:32,130 --> 02:32:34,980
John C Dvorak: told him the
audacity because it's free. And

2681
02:32:34,980 --> 02:32:35,820
it works. It's

2682
02:32:35,820 --> 02:32:38,010
Adam Curry: pretty good that I
would say that's pretty good.

2683
02:32:38,220 --> 02:32:41,370
Yes. Well, thank you very much.
We appreciate that Brother, you

2684
02:32:41,370 --> 02:32:44,700
got your PhD coming up. It's all
good. And

2685
02:32:44,700 --> 02:32:48,450
John C Dvorak: make sure to go
to no agenda rings.com and fill

2686
02:32:48,450 --> 02:32:50,700
out the form for the tough
quarter PhD.

2687
02:32:50,850 --> 02:32:53,400
Adam Curry: I will remind them
of that in a moment. Anthony

2688
02:32:53,400 --> 02:32:54,120
each

2689
02:32:54,120 --> 02:32:58,530
John C Dvorak: of us trust
trust, trust

2690
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:01,680
Adam Curry: trust, trust in the
assailant trusts plays in

2691
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:03,450
John C Dvorak: Gulfport
Mississippi which is a nice

2692
02:33:03,450 --> 02:33:09,120
place $1,000.88 barren to the
Philippines here who the Horde

2693
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:13,590
Jack is breaking my balls I
repeat the Horde Jack is

2694
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:17,340
breaking my balls. So this is
code Yeah, I'm not sure what it

2695
02:33:18,510 --> 02:33:21,420
means. I am asking for
forgiveness rather than

2696
02:33:21,420 --> 02:33:26,130
permission. I will make this up
to you. Dame of the swamps

2697
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:30,000
Adam Curry: oh this is a big
make make good.

2698
02:33:30,510 --> 02:33:33,720
John C Dvorak: Something oops.
For jingles give me eat kale not

2699
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:37,770
donut so horrid Jack saying
donuts is our delicious 6969

2700
02:33:37,770 --> 02:33:39,210
Dudes I don't understand

2701
02:33:39,210 --> 02:33:41,940
Adam Curry: the Horde Jack
saying I don't understand that.

2702
02:33:43,890 --> 02:33:46,530
More code has more code. Okay,
because I don't have that but I

2703
02:33:46,530 --> 02:33:49,710
do have kale. Not doughnuts.

2704
02:33:56,220 --> 02:34:00,360
Think that's the one he wants
us. I think you wanted him

2705
02:34:00,360 --> 02:34:02,340
John C Dvorak: to 6969 dudes.

2706
02:34:02,370 --> 02:34:06,450
Adam Curry: That's what I was
looking for. 69 Dudes, here it

2707
02:34:06,450 --> 02:34:06,900
is.

2708
02:34:07,650 --> 02:34:13,830
Unknown: 62 got

2709
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:16,440
John C Dvorak: it. I'm surprised
still not the right. One

2710
02:34:16,440 --> 02:34:20,280
$1,000.88 1000 from Tom.

2711
02:34:21,060 --> 02:34:24,480
Adam Curry: MC caucus. The
caucus Parts Unknown.

2712
02:34:24,900 --> 02:34:29,250
Switcheroo. John Adam. Greetings
from Tom on behalf of the no

2713
02:34:29,250 --> 02:34:31,770
agenda married gays. Oh, it's
our married gays.

2714
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:34,320
John C Dvorak: Please have a
club of them. Yeah, yes. Well,

2715
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:34,530
these

2716
02:34:34,530 --> 02:34:37,530
Adam Curry: are the ones that
donate. Please credit this

2717
02:34:37,530 --> 02:34:41,490
donation to my amazing husband,
Jake or Jacob, who just turned

2718
02:34:41,490 --> 02:34:45,750
40 on November 18. Happy
birthday. While he has been

2719
02:34:45,780 --> 02:34:49,560
awarded an honorary doctorate. I
thought what could be better? A

2720
02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:52,830
better president than a no
agenda PhD in addition to an

2721
02:34:52,860 --> 02:34:57,150
executive producer ship and a
knighting. I agree with you

2722
02:34:57,150 --> 02:35:00,900
there. So do we just say Jay Got
Jacob.

2723
02:35:02,250 --> 02:35:05,040
John C Dvorak: I don't I think
it should be J. Exactly that

2724
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:06,840
Jake or Jake or Jacob.

2725
02:35:07,740 --> 02:35:11,550
Adam Curry: Nailed it. That's
perfect. Okay, let me just put

2726
02:35:11,550 --> 02:35:13,110
that in there. Make sure we get
the

2727
02:35:14,490 --> 02:35:16,230
Unknown: get the switcheroo
there. Okay.

2728
02:35:17,490 --> 02:35:21,150
Adam Curry: Jacob, Jacob. Knows
special jingles needed but some

2729
02:35:21,150 --> 02:35:25,230
extra rent boys and Chardonnay
would be great. Really? Is the

2730
02:35:25,230 --> 02:35:27,750
marriage stagnating already is
that what is that what's

2731
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:33,090
happening boys? Oh boy. Oh boy a
boy. PS Adam dinner with you and

2732
02:35:33,090 --> 02:35:35,850
Tina a few years ago was great.
Hope to do it again sometime. If

2733
02:35:35,850 --> 02:35:40,320
you ever considered a Boston
Provincetown, Cape Cod trip. The

2734
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:43,650
invitation to visit is still
stands. John, we're out in Napa

2735
02:35:43,650 --> 02:35:45,780
for a few days as part of the
birthday celebration this

2736
02:35:45,780 --> 02:35:50,040
weekend. Thanks for all the wind
tips over the years. Oh, nice.

2737
02:35:50,130 --> 02:35:53,340
John C Dvorak: You're welcome.
Yes, sir. Rhonda, Ronald

2738
02:35:53,370 --> 02:35:58,920
Lafferty in San Jose, Jose,
California. 1000 ITM or ITA,

2739
02:35:58,920 --> 02:36:02,550
John and Adam. Here's my support
for the best podcast in the

2740
02:36:02,550 --> 02:36:06,750
universe. And of note, thank you
very much, Ronald,

2741
02:36:06,780 --> 02:36:10,050
Adam Curry: my man. We love
that. Here's the $1,000 we got

2742
02:36:10,050 --> 02:36:15,060
yesterday. From the meet up in
the morning. Shout out to Dame

2743
02:36:15,090 --> 02:36:20,280
alley rats. belated Happy
Birthday September 18. To Sir

2744
02:36:20,310 --> 02:36:26,820
OHSs ossola They're the
millennial lesbians. And to

2745
02:36:26,820 --> 02:36:31,440
Rachel an early Happy Birthday
January 5 from Mustang racer, so

2746
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:38,610
no real names on the air but
that he's osios Dad is cool dude

2747
02:36:38,670 --> 02:36:41,610
that you haven't seen him in a
while. Donation breakdown,

2748
02:36:41,610 --> 02:36:46,170
please credit Rachel $200 and
add $800 credit to Oh, Cliff

2749
02:36:46,170 --> 02:36:49,770
Elliot, which should make me a
night from previous donations of

2750
02:36:49,770 --> 02:36:53,100
$200. From my human resources.
Were the name of Sir Mustang

2751
02:36:53,100 --> 02:36:58,380
racer. Thanks for all of you,
and Dvorak. Thanks for all you

2752
02:36:58,380 --> 02:37:02,010
and Dvorak do for the amygdalus
Okay, I gotta add some of that

2753
02:37:02,010 --> 02:37:06,240
in. So I got to do their
birthdays. Can you read the next

2754
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:07,200
one? While yes, of

2755
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:09,780
John C Dvorak: course he's in
fact, it's my turn. Very good.

2756
02:37:09,780 --> 02:37:16,770
Andrew Helene helenus Helenius
Helenius lineas selenium in iron

2757
02:37:16,770 --> 02:37:22,500
river Wisconsin 33433. And
actually sent a long note in the

2758
02:37:22,500 --> 02:37:26,460
morning, and thank you for your
courage. These except is three,

2759
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:30,330
three 4.33 of my calculations
are correct. This brings me up

2760
02:37:30,330 --> 02:37:35,430
to 999 that nine nine since
January, if you'd be so kind to

2761
02:37:35,430 --> 02:37:40,800
throw in a penny that would put
me at night status. Release

2762
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:46,920
night me sir Andy of the X
holes, pronounced X holes is the

2763
02:37:46,920 --> 02:37:51,960
penny protector of the iron Ray
iron liver. I would like some

2764
02:37:51,990 --> 02:37:55,680
Arby's and Chucky Cheese at the
round table hold the Redneck

2765
02:37:55,680 --> 02:38:00,480
brawl. There's just something
about cheap pizza in arcade

2766
02:38:00,480 --> 02:38:04,800
games that makes people want to
hurt someone. Lastly, please

2767
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:10,680
shout out to midnight Mike Joe,
aka flavor 10 and caricatured at

2768
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:17,670
the Oh BDM. Podcast. Okay. There
sound quality rivals that are

2769
02:38:17,670 --> 02:38:19,230
the no agenda podcasts.

2770
02:38:20,100 --> 02:38:21,840
Adam Curry: No, no, no, no, no.

2771
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:27,030
John C Dvorak: That gives them a
listen for Pete's sake. I have

2772
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:32,700
just one message for the trio.
Don't believe the 5.6 inches

2773
02:38:34,740 --> 02:38:39,390
which it says don't believe the
5.6 I put the inches in. Please

2774
02:38:39,390 --> 02:38:42,060
hit me with some jobs current
for an upcoming promotion

2775
02:38:42,060 --> 02:38:44,880
opportunity. If I get it. I'm
definitely getting me one of

2776
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:49,620
those PhDs. Time times a wasted
Thanks, bye.

2777
02:38:50,700 --> 02:38:54,270
Adam Curry: Okay, I'm just
finishing up this. This little

2778
02:38:54,300 --> 02:38:57,990
complicated his note here. So
that is, sir,

2779
02:38:58,170 --> 02:39:01,350
John C Dvorak: go on and
continue please. Thank you, John

2780
02:39:01,350 --> 02:39:05,670
and Sherry singer and Fenton,
Missouri. Three, three,

2781
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:10,350
switcheroo. John and Adam, thank
you for what you do you listen

2782
02:39:10,350 --> 02:39:13,320
to you listen to the mainstream
media, so we don't have to. I'm

2783
02:39:13,320 --> 02:39:16,950
making this donation in honor of
my 51st wedding anniversary and

2784
02:39:16,950 --> 02:39:22,440
1120 so please credit my wife,
Cheryl. I want to tell my smokin

2785
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:25,110
hot wife that I love her and
desperately appreciate

2786
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:29,100
everything she does to take care
of me. Honestly. I would

2787
02:39:29,700 --> 02:39:34,410
probably be living under some
bridge in a cardboard box if it

2788
02:39:34,410 --> 02:39:39,990
wasn't for her. That's a quaint
our son Curtis it is in the

2789
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:42,810
mouth some years ago and I can't
remember when I finally listened

2790
02:39:42,810 --> 02:39:46,830
to an episode. And the first
hour was JCD ripping apart some

2791
02:39:46,830 --> 02:39:52,050
global warming conference, and I
was hooked. Your efforts to help

2792
02:39:52,050 --> 02:39:55,860
people understand what a scam
global warming is really makes a

2793
02:39:55,860 --> 02:40:00,540
difference. Really? Yeah. On our
next Road Trip whereas our

2794
02:40:00,540 --> 02:40:05,340
carbon credits on our next Road
Trip we both listened in to an

2795
02:40:05,340 --> 02:40:10,380
episode. After a while my wife
asked me is the old guy drunk,

2796
02:40:10,770 --> 02:40:15,420
too? Which I replied No, but the
other guy might be stoned. Good

2797
02:40:15,420 --> 02:40:20,550
times. Anyway, we've been loyal
listeners ever since. And now

2798
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:24,690
that we're retired, we never
miss an episode. I have almost

2799
02:40:24,690 --> 02:40:27,990
finished two years of our modest
sustaining donation. But this is

2800
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:31,350
our first show donation so
please de douche us both.

2801
02:40:33,750 --> 02:40:36,030
Adam Curry: D deuced. Love that.
Love that.

2802
02:40:37,170 --> 02:40:38,220
John C Dvorak: Second one,
please.

2803
02:40:40,170 --> 02:40:42,030
Unknown: You've been de deuced

2804
02:40:43,020 --> 02:40:45,750
John C Dvorak: no jingles but
general karma for everyone and

2805
02:40:45,750 --> 02:40:49,230
house buying karma for our
daughter Christine. Thanks

2806
02:40:49,230 --> 02:40:51,780
again. John. And Cheryl singer.

2807
02:40:52,170 --> 02:40:53,850
Unknown: You've got karma.

2808
02:40:56,520 --> 02:41:01,380
Adam Curry: Yes, Cheryl. Okay.
Got it. Doug is in San Antonio,

2809
02:41:01,380 --> 02:41:06,870
Texas. Yes, this is correct. He
he sent this. He said he gave

2810
02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:10,410
this to us in cash yesterday and
he sent an email good work. This

2811
02:41:10,410 --> 02:41:12,930
is how you do it. Morning gents.
By the time you read this on

2812
02:41:12,930 --> 02:41:15,510
Sunday, I should have handed
over my donation to Adam or the

2813
02:41:15,510 --> 02:41:18,690
keeper at the Saturday meetup in
Austin. This donation earns me a

2814
02:41:18,690 --> 02:41:21,780
seat at the roundtable and I
would like to forego any food or

2815
02:41:21,780 --> 02:41:24,420
drink requests and said as
fellow producers to go check out

2816
02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:27,870
my beautiful wife's new album.
Yes, we've played this last

2817
02:41:27,870 --> 02:41:31,380
night we liked it. She has been
by my side for 20 years and has

2818
02:41:31,380 --> 02:41:34,980
been a professional musician
since we met her solo project is

2819
02:41:34,980 --> 02:41:38,970
survival guide. And our new
album is called Death dreams.

2820
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:41,670
John C Dvorak: No you can't use
the word death live

2821
02:41:41,700 --> 02:41:46,290
Adam Curry: living dreams. Hey,
don't you guys listen to no

2822
02:41:46,290 --> 02:41:50,370
agenda we give you all the
marketing tips. If anyone would

2823
02:41:50,370 --> 02:41:52,530
like more info please go to our
website

2824
02:41:52,530 --> 02:42:04,200
www.srvvlgd.com srvvlgd.com or
search Survival Guide music on

2825
02:42:04,200 --> 02:42:07,530
your favorite search engine for
links to music or for new videos

2826
02:42:07,530 --> 02:42:12,000
merge links merge and limited
vinyl birch please Knight me

2827
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:17,040
surface on the surface noise or
face nice defender of the 33 and

2828
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:21,840
1/3 i Yes. Yes. I love people
who love vinyl. Good work. Thank

2829
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:23,790
you very much for your courage
and support.

2830
02:42:24,390 --> 02:42:29,700
John C Dvorak: Sir Nacho
Alcatraz in a I guess Mexico?

2831
02:42:30,660 --> 02:42:36,600
Yes. Say maybe Mexico city may
or deconstruction be as smooth

2832
02:42:36,600 --> 02:42:43,530
as Adams hair? And as sharp is
John's wet? Saludos Oh no. is

2833
02:42:43,530 --> 02:42:48,990
wet is with sorry. wet. Wet wet
with the sharpest John's wit

2834
02:42:49,080 --> 02:42:54,120
Saludos sir Nacho Alcatraz and
we need more donations from

2835
02:42:54,120 --> 02:42:55,470
Mexico. Lady

2836
02:42:55,470 --> 02:42:59,670
Adam Curry: in no city provided
but in the US $200 Associate

2837
02:42:59,670 --> 02:43:02,760
Executive Producer ship just as
jingles why your effing shut up

2838
02:43:02,760 --> 02:43:07,530
and a big old TPP jobs comment
from my dear Pam long enough.

2839
02:43:08,220 --> 02:43:15,720
Why are you laughing? Shut up.
Shut up. Yeah, here we go.

2840
02:43:19,050 --> 02:43:20,700
Unknown: You've got karma.

2841
02:43:23,160 --> 02:43:27,810
John C Dvorak: Linda LAPACK in
in Lakewood, Colorado. She wants

2842
02:43:27,810 --> 02:43:32,460
some jobs, Carmen. I am the real
deal. She says a remarkable

2843
02:43:32,460 --> 02:43:38,700
resume that gets results. Go to
Image makers inc.com. For all

2844
02:43:38,700 --> 02:43:42,930
your executive resume and job
search needs. That's image

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makers ink with a K to k.com.
That's like ink I NK or just

2846
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find Linda Lou Peck and under
the producers list

2847
02:43:52,200 --> 02:43:59,790
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs for jobs. Pharma.

2848
02:44:01,200 --> 02:44:04,230
Adam Curry: Thank you all very
much to these executive

2849
02:44:04,230 --> 02:44:07,290
producers. Oh, I have another
Associate Executive producer

2850
02:44:07,530 --> 02:44:17,190
from the from from meetup
yesterday. Baron Gordon Walter,

2851
02:44:17,430 --> 02:44:23,940
he gave us $200. And that is for
Jan. can't really read this for

2852
02:44:23,940 --> 02:44:29,760
my Jan. John. I wish I could
read this. I'm sorry. Maybe Tina

2853
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:32,400
can help me with that. We'll put
it on the list. We appreciate

2854
02:44:32,400 --> 02:44:35,430
that we appreciate are these
executive and associate

2855
02:44:35,430 --> 02:44:38,460
executives. These are credits by
the way that are real. You can

2856
02:44:38,460 --> 02:44:43,530
use at any showbusiness event.
Or you could just register them

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02:44:43,530 --> 02:44:46,920
if you want it imdb.com A lot of
people like to do that is

2858
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:49,260
completely valid. You'll see
that there are hundreds almost

2859
02:44:49,260 --> 02:44:52,920
1000 executive and Associate
Executive Producer ships

2860
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:56,040
attributed to no agenda, put on
your LinkedIn, put it on your

2861
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:59,430
resume. And if anyone questions
these if they have questions

2862
02:44:59,430 --> 02:45:01,800
that crazy because we will
gladly vouch for you unlike

2863
02:45:01,800 --> 02:45:03,450
those phonies in Hollywood, and

2864
02:45:03,570 --> 02:45:05,640
John C Dvorak: then your
business card, no, no question

2865
02:45:05,640 --> 02:45:07,050
that because it's on a card.

2866
02:45:07,140 --> 02:45:10,080
Adam Curry: And before John
takes us through to the 50s.

2867
02:45:10,710 --> 02:45:14,370
Couple more donations here from
the meetup. Felicia Oh, with

2868
02:45:14,370 --> 02:45:18,450
$100 Thank you. Farmer Chris
with $100 I want to read this. I

2869
02:45:18,450 --> 02:45:21,900
love you both. I can never miss
a show and I usually listen

2870
02:45:21,900 --> 02:45:25,530
twice to make sure I absorb all
your wisdom. Thank you, Farmer

2871
02:45:25,530 --> 02:45:30,330
Chris. From Chris, lovely guy.
And we got a boob donation from

2872
02:45:30,330 --> 02:45:34,410
Dame shanor. Key. Just in the
morning. Thank you for

2873
02:45:34,440 --> 02:45:38,340
everything you do resist we
much. And did I miss anything?

2874
02:45:38,340 --> 02:45:44,010
And I guess Thank you, you know,
Baray for the finest colors from

2875
02:45:44,010 --> 02:45:46,590
the region's producers. All
right, John, take us through the

2876
02:45:46,590 --> 02:45:51,990
50s We got to cool meet up
reports as well. crawlers. Yeah,

2877
02:45:52,020 --> 02:45:53,820
it sounds like French for
donuts.

2878
02:45:54,180 --> 02:45:59,070
John C Dvorak: So here is the is
very short today. We really got

2879
02:45:59,490 --> 02:46:02,160
everyone's gone on vacation,
whatever we were even though

2880
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:05,070
we're working it will be working
on Thanksgiving. There's very

2881
02:46:05,070 --> 02:46:08,040
little evidence that anyone's
listening. No one loves we get

2882
02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:11,580
it because, for example, we
start off with right away Kevin

2883
02:46:11,580 --> 02:46:16,350
McLaughlin goes right to the
top. in Concord, North Carolina.

2884
02:46:16,350 --> 02:46:21,720
He's the Archduke Aluna, lover
of American boobs and he comes

2885
02:46:21,720 --> 02:46:26,130
in with 808 and he does have a
public service announcement.

2886
02:46:26,130 --> 02:46:33,000
Happy wife happy life. Play with
the snuggle puppies daily. To

2887
02:46:33,000 --> 02:46:38,640
Kevin O'Brien in Chicago 606 was
small boobs, which leads us

2888
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:42,720
right back to Kevin McLaughlin
and Concord North Carolina 606.

2889
02:46:43,290 --> 02:46:46,110
Public service announcement
number two reduce holiday

2890
02:46:46,110 --> 02:46:50,910
stress. Ladies, tell us to kiss
your melons and we will and we

2891
02:46:50,910 --> 02:46:51,300
will.

2892
02:46:52,680 --> 02:46:57,270
Unknown: Okay. It reduces stress
reduces

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02:46:57,270 --> 02:47:01,080
John C Dvorak: stress so new for
everybody who new septic kids if

2894
02:47:01,080 --> 02:47:05,970
they happen to see it. Ben stra
Nashville, Tennessee 5993 Less

2895
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:12,420
tar kowski in Kingman Arizona.
57. Dean Roker 5110 Max Windham

2896
02:47:12,420 --> 02:47:19,380
in The Woodlands, Texas 51 He's
going to be a knight. He likes

2897
02:47:19,380 --> 02:47:22,440
to be known as Sir max of the
research forest. I like to put

2898
02:47:23,070 --> 02:47:26,910
my smokin hot girlfriend Stacy
on the birthday list for 1127 I

2899
02:47:26,910 --> 02:47:29,310
believe she's on there and I
could be wrong. Yes, she is.

2900
02:47:29,310 --> 02:47:38,250
She's indeed Donald tush off in
Justin, Idaho. This is a Rogan

2901
02:47:38,250 --> 02:47:40,770
donation, calling out a
douchebag who wants to be

2902
02:47:40,770 --> 02:47:44,460
anonymous. His name rhymes with
bark. Otter smirking.

2903
02:47:47,940 --> 02:47:49,320
Unknown: Okay, all right.

2904
02:47:51,150 --> 02:47:54,960
John C Dvorak: Sure, Paulie
Bravo in Greeley, Colorado. 50

2905
02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:01,020
To 80 John John pools in
Hernando Beach, Florida. 50. Oh,

2906
02:48:01,020 --> 02:48:04,530
these are all 50s We're already
there. We got a total of 20

2907
02:48:04,530 --> 02:48:09,090
Donations before we get the 50s
Wow. Joan Paulson Hernando beach

2908
02:48:09,090 --> 02:48:11,940
taught Dianna Prince in
Hollywood, Florida, Nathan

2909
02:48:11,940 --> 02:48:17,460
Cochran in Franklin, Tennessee.
Peter odo enrich New York Scott

2910
02:48:17,460 --> 02:48:20,820
lavender sir Scott in
Montgomery, Texas, gadget freak

2911
02:48:20,820 --> 02:48:26,250
10 in Western Springs, Illinois,
Luke Olsen and Alexandria

2912
02:48:26,280 --> 02:48:31,380
Alexandria, Virginia, Cory
Bennett, in Denver, Colorado

2913
02:48:31,380 --> 02:48:36,750
Alexandre ver de who in Gig
Harbor, Washington, Joe Oswald

2914
02:48:36,750 --> 02:48:41,430
in Lithia, Florida, Chris Cowan
in Austin, Texas. Fletcher

2915
02:48:41,430 --> 02:48:47,190
Scaife, or escapee perhaps in
Wilston, North Dakota, Sir

2916
02:48:47,190 --> 02:48:52,860
Andrew gusik in Greensboro,
North Carolina, Linda J. Seeley

2917
02:48:52,860 --> 02:48:55,890
in Arlington, Texas, Rita
Harrington in Sparks, Nevada,

2918
02:48:55,950 --> 02:48:59,730
Alan being served Baron Allen
being in Beaverton, Oregon, the

2919
02:48:59,730 --> 02:49:04,650
end Shipley in Covington,
Washington. Spot the mighty in

2920
02:49:04,650 --> 02:49:07,950
Marietta, Georgia. And last on
our short list is very short

2921
02:49:07,950 --> 02:49:12,150
list lot of 50s. But that's
about it. Sir Jerry winged Roth

2922
02:49:12,180 --> 02:49:17,040
in Saugus, California, I want to
thank these people, the ones who

2923
02:49:17,040 --> 02:49:21,870
actually showed up to help us
your ions show 1609 for

2924
02:49:21,870 --> 02:49:23,970
supporting us through this
effort.

2925
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:27,360
Adam Curry: And we appreciate
all donations of any amount.

2926
02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:30,000
That's why it's value for value.
We don't lock you into something

2927
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:34,020
you have to do every month or
premium content. So we give you

2928
02:49:34,020 --> 02:49:36,870
the crap for free. No, we give
you the premium stuff right

2929
02:49:36,870 --> 02:49:39,480
there. You can do whatever you
want with it. And when you feel

2930
02:49:39,480 --> 02:49:41,340
like you've received enough
value, you can send it back to

2931
02:49:41,340 --> 02:49:44,400
his people send us smaller
amounts that's under 50. We

2932
02:49:44,400 --> 02:49:47,160
always keep those anonymous. And
of course many people are on the

2933
02:49:47,160 --> 02:49:50,490
sustaining donations which are
critically important to us. As

2934
02:49:50,520 --> 02:49:54,060
as a new year starts you'll see
that we'll be very happy. If you

2935
02:49:54,060 --> 02:49:57,360
can do a monthly a weekly or
sometimes even a daily donation,

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02:49:57,360 --> 02:50:00,000
whatever it is, support us by
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ations.com org.org/n A and again
thank you to our execs and

2938
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:09,210
Associate Executive producers
for supporting us for 1609

2939
02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:13,710
formula is this. We go out we
had people in the mouth

2940
02:50:33,630 --> 02:50:36,510
little expanded list as we got a
few late ones there from the

2941
02:50:36,510 --> 02:50:39,840
meet up belated birthday to
Rachel on the fifth of September

2942
02:50:40,050 --> 02:50:44,460
roseola on September 18. From
the soon to be sir Mustang

2943
02:50:44,460 --> 02:50:50,760
racer. caucus wishes his amazing
husband Jake or Jacob. Happy

2944
02:50:50,760 --> 02:50:55,920
birthday he turned 40 Yesterday,
Mike's Alonso turns 24 today and

2945
02:50:55,920 --> 02:50:59,490
Max Winden which is smokin hot
girlfriend Stacy. Happy birthday

2946
02:50:59,490 --> 02:51:02,550
in advance of November 27. We
say happy birthday, everybody.

2947
02:51:02,550 --> 02:51:08,040
Here's the best podcast in the
universe. And now I would like

2948
02:51:08,040 --> 02:51:12,120
to welcome on the podium
anonymous Anthony trust Nick.

2949
02:51:12,270 --> 02:51:18,900
Jake as Sir Ronald Lafferty you
are our latest no agenda PhD

2950
02:51:18,900 --> 02:51:23,850
graduates congratulations.
Welcome to you. The new MD PhDs

2951
02:51:23,850 --> 02:51:26,760
to the society of learning
persons the path to this high

2952
02:51:26,760 --> 02:51:29,850
academic honor has been a long
if not costly one for some of

2953
02:51:29,850 --> 02:51:32,280
you some of the price have been
paid for your hard earned wisdom

2954
02:51:32,280 --> 02:51:35,910
and in other ways, but today is
not an end. No it is only a

2955
02:51:35,910 --> 02:51:39,270
beginning. From this point
forward go forth and spread the

2956
02:51:39,270 --> 02:51:43,290
no agenda word far and wide
because we will not be silenced.

2957
02:51:43,290 --> 02:51:47,580
We will not be deterred. The
truth is out there PhDs Now go

2958
02:51:47,580 --> 02:51:49,710
out there and find it.

2959
02:51:52,200 --> 02:51:56,280
John C Dvorak: You once you put
up to this, there's five. What

2960
02:51:56,460 --> 02:52:00,570
did I miss? Well, you missed it.
I think Tom MC Caucus and the

2961
02:52:00,570 --> 02:52:03,060
person that you got 2000 from at
the meetup

2962
02:52:06,120 --> 02:52:11,820
Adam Curry: Well, I only have
what I had on my list. Okay,

2963
02:52:12,420 --> 02:52:16,290
Tom, wait, who did I miss? I
missed my caucus. Did he miss

2964
02:52:16,290 --> 02:52:20,040
macaque caucus didn't come
through on the email. Oh, that's

2965
02:52:20,040 --> 02:52:24,360
no good. Who was second caucus?
Tom caucus. All right.

2966
02:52:24,750 --> 02:52:26,220
John C Dvorak: I think she
probably didn't put him on

2967
02:52:26,220 --> 02:52:27,390
because he didn't claim it.

2968
02:52:28,170 --> 02:52:29,820
Unknown: Oh, that would be the
issue. Well,

2969
02:52:31,080 --> 02:52:33,120
John C Dvorak: it says right
here why he was awarded an

2970
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:36,270
honorary doctorate. And this is
for Jake does Jake or Jacob.

2971
02:52:36,570 --> 02:52:36,990
Well, I

2972
02:52:36,990 --> 02:52:40,440
Adam Curry: did Jake or Jacob.
But he did did Jake or Jacob for

2973
02:52:40,440 --> 02:52:40,890
sure.

2974
02:52:41,250 --> 02:52:43,230
John C Dvorak: Did you do
Anthony do I didn't do the one

2975
02:52:43,230 --> 02:52:45,540
that you received. Right. I

2976
02:52:45,540 --> 02:52:48,660
Adam Curry: didn't do Did I did
I have to click Elliot?

2977
02:52:50,160 --> 02:52:50,910
Unknown: Oh man,

2978
02:52:50,940 --> 02:52:52,590
Adam Curry: what am I doing
here? Sir Ronald

2979
02:52:53,910 --> 02:52:58,500
John C Dvorak: nonnamous. It was
in the beginning Jacob Jacob.

2980
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:00,360
Jacob, Jacob and Lafferty

2981
02:53:00,600 --> 02:53:04,740
Adam Curry: Jacob and Lafferty
and Sir Mustang races I not to

2982
02:53:04,740 --> 02:53:08,430
him to not to know do I need to
do

2983
02:53:11,220 --> 02:53:11,970
Unknown: my caucus?

2984
02:53:13,500 --> 02:53:16,890
John C Dvorak: No, it we went to
Jacob Jacob. Oh,

2985
02:53:17,130 --> 02:53:24,180
Adam Curry: oh, okay. I see. So
let me do it again. Anonymous

2986
02:53:24,840 --> 02:53:27,930
we'll edit this no one will know
the difference and oh yes Nick

2987
02:53:27,930 --> 02:53:32,490
Jake or Jacob sir Ronald
Lafferty and Sir to be Mustang

2988
02:53:32,490 --> 02:53:37,260
racer. There you go welcome you
PhDs have no agenda. The truth

2989
02:53:37,260 --> 02:53:38,910
is out there go out there and
find it

2990
02:53:44,040 --> 02:53:48,180
you get what you paid for. Hey
you got yourself a PhD nobody

2991
02:53:48,180 --> 02:53:52,890
can nobody complained about that
nobody can complain alright then

2992
02:53:52,920 --> 02:53:55,590
okay this i think i have right
at least I hope I do almost

2993
02:53:55,590 --> 02:54:01,770
second here we go we got we got
no dames today but we do have we

2994
02:54:01,770 --> 02:54:05,310
do have nights now is Tom a
caucus on this list?

2995
02:54:07,680 --> 02:54:09,420
John C Dvorak: Jake or Jacob?
Jacob

2996
02:54:09,420 --> 02:54:12,240
Adam Curry: Jacob so it should
be but it'll be sir Jake or

2997
02:54:12,240 --> 02:54:13,290
Jacob because we don't have a

2998
02:54:14,700 --> 02:54:16,890
John C Dvorak: JAKE Well that's
what we decided to Sir Jake or

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02:54:16,890 --> 02:54:17,640
Jacob Okay,

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02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:19,980
Adam Curry: well, that was for
the switcheroo that's sir Jake

3001
02:54:19,980 --> 02:54:22,350
Nasser Jake is on there. We got
it out here. Everything's good.

3002
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:25,590
everything the world has
settled. We're good. You give me

3003
02:54:25,590 --> 02:54:27,630
a big sword because I need to
chop my soul

3004
02:54:28,350 --> 02:54:33,060
John C Dvorak: is on the ground.
fell over. Here you go. It's a

3005
02:54:33,060 --> 02:54:33,420
winner.

3006
02:54:34,500 --> 02:54:37,620
Adam Curry: All right,
anonymous, Andrew Helenius Jake

3007
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:42,390
or Jacob dog, Max Windham and
Cliff alley and all of you now

3008
02:54:42,390 --> 02:54:45,720
are knights of the no agenda
round table and I'm very proud

3009
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and prepared to pronounce the
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noise defend over 33 and 1/3 Sir
man So the research forest and

3012
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and Jerboas breast milk and
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that mutton in me, you know, we
always have that ready for you.

3017
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It's good to have you all here.
Thank you. You can munch on the

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for supporting the no agenda

3027
02:55:47,940 --> 02:55:53,220
show and for becoming knights of
the no agenda roundtable no one

3028
02:56:00,480 --> 02:56:04,440
yesterday reminded me once
again, how important no agenda

3029
02:56:04,440 --> 02:56:09,000
meetups are. It is so beautiful
to have the counterpart would

3030
02:56:09,000 --> 02:56:12,420
they the companion to the
podcast is really going to a

3031
02:56:12,420 --> 02:56:15,990
meet up. Just seeing everybody
all the different faces,

3032
02:56:16,230 --> 02:56:19,470
different kinds of people all
walks of life. Everybody has a

3033
02:56:19,470 --> 02:56:23,160
fun story. Everybody hangs out
with each other. I mean we talk

3034
02:56:23,160 --> 02:56:26,940
about stuff. There's there's
never any it's always good. It's

3035
02:56:26,940 --> 02:56:30,210
just it's like a love fest, man.
It's like back to the 60s. I

3036
02:56:30,210 --> 02:56:33,930
love him. It's so beautiful. We
don't have a lot. In fact, we

3037
02:56:33,930 --> 02:56:37,950
have no meetups happening
between now and our next show on

3038
02:56:37,950 --> 02:56:41,070
Sunday. Because Thursday,
Thursday, Thanksgiving is just

3039
02:56:41,070 --> 02:56:44,580
nothing happening as far as I
can tell away and we do have no

3040
02:56:44,580 --> 02:56:48,360
it's right. Friday. We have Fort
Worth, Texas. That's on November

3041
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:51,090
25. Boyd, we had a lot of
meetups that we talked about on

3042
02:56:51,090 --> 02:56:54,780
the last show. So we have a ton
of meetup report starting off

3043
02:56:54,780 --> 02:56:59,070
with the Austin am extravaganza
in the

3044
02:56:59,070 --> 02:57:02,550
Unknown: morning. This is Alex
serene the NICU dad with my wife

3045
02:57:02,580 --> 02:57:04,380
and our human resource Emerson's

3046
02:57:04,800 --> 02:57:08,100
in the morning. This is Emerson
and you've got karma

3047
02:57:08,130 --> 02:57:12,000
ITM farmer Chris. Hi, this is
Rose and I'm here with the no

3048
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:15,840
agenda meetup. It is great being
out in the morning is salty gray

3049
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:19,860
on ITM Baron, Dr. cog in the
morning. This is Josh Gordon.

3050
02:57:20,130 --> 02:57:23,880
here and the morning. Hey, all
the Cali San Francisco's cleaned

3051
02:57:23,880 --> 02:57:25,470
up time to go home. Hey, this

3052
02:57:25,470 --> 02:57:27,960
is Doug longenecker What's up
with the Amish people they're

3053
02:57:27,960 --> 02:57:31,320
not getting back in the morning
to you Liz coming from Austin

3054
02:57:31,320 --> 02:57:32,010
Texas. This

3055
02:57:32,010 --> 02:57:36,150
is Sir Rob. Hey there timber
Simpson morning PES sir Matt

3056
02:57:36,150 --> 02:57:38,430
Well, it's not at the Austin
Petit tabby. He's down here at

3057
02:57:38,430 --> 02:57:41,070
the Austin local 512 In the
morning

3058
02:57:41,070 --> 02:57:44,550
this is one half of the
millennial lesbian couple This

3059
02:57:44,550 --> 02:57:48,390
is Rachel OC decided to ditch me
today to promote Rebus reality

3060
02:57:48,420 --> 02:57:48,720
for all

3061
02:57:48,720 --> 02:57:51,690
your real estate needs in Austin
this is your local no agenda

3062
02:57:51,720 --> 02:57:55,440
real estate brokerage Rebus
Realty resist we much and we

3063
02:57:55,440 --> 02:57:57,690
will about that be committed in

3064
02:57:57,690 --> 02:57:59,970
the morning. It's Haley Vogel in
the morning.

3065
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:02,850
This is Karen so nice to see you
guys again in the morning

3066
02:58:02,850 --> 02:58:06,060
Kristen Great to be here. This
Malik I'm giving off spike backs

3067
02:58:06,060 --> 02:58:09,660
as in tumor nugs in the morning
everybody this is Sir Brian with

3068
02:58:09,660 --> 02:58:15,420
an AI coming to you from Austin
Texas is razor sharp dotnet here

3069
02:58:15,420 --> 02:58:19,380
it yeah, this is turned dark.
We'll hire this guy from San

3070
02:58:19,380 --> 02:58:21,330
Antonio pick a side in the
morning. It's

3071
02:58:21,330 --> 02:58:22,320
Michael Hey, this

3072
02:58:22,320 --> 02:58:25,140
is Rob Cardium. Your pro bono
lawyer Hey,

3073
02:58:25,140 --> 02:58:28,200
this is Dan Shatner, he
reminding you that taxation is

3074
02:58:28,200 --> 02:58:32,520
theft. But donation is love. I'm
Michelle that's Kratos in the

3075
02:58:32,850 --> 02:58:36,930
morning IgM serotonin and more
than Stephen B the creator of

3076
02:58:36,930 --> 02:58:40,410
curio caster and LM beads here
in Austin, Texas.

3077
02:58:40,770 --> 02:58:41,640
I want to meet

3078
02:58:41,640 --> 02:58:44,640
up in the morning. This is Tim
representing the Austin and JR

3079
02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:45,150
family.

3080
02:58:45,180 --> 02:58:46,710
Adam Curry: It's Adam and Tina
happy to be here.

3081
02:58:46,740 --> 02:58:49,920
Unknown: This is Scott and my
keeper Christine in the morning,

3082
02:58:49,920 --> 02:58:50,310
y'all

3083
02:58:50,340 --> 02:58:53,070
in the morning. I hope everyone
enjoys the name badges because

3084
02:58:53,070 --> 02:58:54,720
there was a sweatshop at our
house this

3085
02:58:54,720 --> 02:58:55,710
morning. I can't

3086
02:58:55,710 --> 02:58:59,130
Adam Curry: believe you're doing
this to me, Scott. I love Baron

3087
02:58:59,130 --> 02:59:01,890
Scott. That guy just he trips me
out. And by the way, it was nice

3088
02:59:01,890 --> 02:59:05,940
to meet our pro bono lawyer. Rob
who does all that you know he's

3089
02:59:05,940 --> 02:59:10,830
tracking that Missouri V Biden.
He also we used to be jag so he

3090
02:59:10,830 --> 02:59:12,990
knows about that and he said
that if you're ever in jail,

3091
02:59:13,020 --> 02:59:15,780
drop a dime on me he'll he'll
pop us out. So that's good to

3092
02:59:15,780 --> 02:59:18,900
know. John, just in case always
good to have a guy like that on

3093
02:59:18,930 --> 02:59:19,950
on your speed dial.

3094
02:59:21,240 --> 02:59:22,470
Unknown: This is where you say
yes.

3095
02:59:24,030 --> 02:59:28,080
Adam Curry: Yes. And we had a
meet up in Arlington Virginia.

3096
02:59:28,110 --> 02:59:30,270
Unknown: Hey John Adam. Hey,
this is Sir William of West

3097
02:59:30,270 --> 02:59:33,600
Pennsyltucky at the Arlington
meetup we're doing it live and

3098
02:59:33,780 --> 02:59:39,030
stop the hammering this is Sir
Chris can you say Moon molinia

3099
02:59:40,050 --> 02:59:43,860
Annapolis and then warm thoughts
we love you guys ITM. This is

3100
02:59:43,860 --> 02:59:45,810
Eric from Alexandria. ITM

3101
02:59:45,810 --> 02:59:48,900
Sir Robert, from the Smoky
Mountains and Smoky Mountain

3102
02:59:48,900 --> 02:59:53,640
brass. This is Sir bomb. The
Chesapeake Bay connections

3103
02:59:53,640 --> 02:59:54,090
protection.

3104
02:59:55,320 --> 02:59:56,970
I think Sir William is a spook.

3105
02:59:57,990 --> 03:00:00,150
This is Kyle there's French
Fiddler menu button. other

3106
03:00:00,150 --> 03:00:01,860
slaves wants a mac and cheese

3107
03:00:02,070 --> 03:00:05,220
hi this is Roger I've been
shamelessly self promoting Man

3108
03:00:05,220 --> 03:00:08,610
vs street YouTube channel like
and subscribe also DC girl

3109
03:00:08,610 --> 03:00:11,700
couldn't be here she's sick in
the sorry Hey Sir Richie Rich

3110
03:00:11,700 --> 03:00:14,850
here glad to be here in DC Thank
you Sir William

3111
03:00:15,000 --> 03:00:18,030
in the mornings is there and
guests here glad to be here

3112
03:00:18,060 --> 03:00:19,770
interesting folks good
conversation

3113
03:00:20,100 --> 03:00:22,380
where's the guest also happy to
be here thanks

3114
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:23,310
for having us

3115
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:27,090
Adam Curry: ah sounds like the
hitting some people in the mouth

3116
03:00:27,090 --> 03:00:30,480
there in Arlington we got a
written report from New Haven

3117
03:00:30,480 --> 03:00:34,680
the nicotine meetup in
Connecticut from Justin Cody,

3118
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:37,830
Adam and John all the producers
out there from the New Haven

3119
03:00:37,830 --> 03:00:40,410
nicotine meetup akinetic waited
about six joining on the phone

3120
03:00:40,410 --> 03:00:42,870
him for the first time
organizing one I thought it went

3121
03:00:42,870 --> 03:00:46,200
very well smokes drinks and not
an enlarged amygdala insight

3122
03:00:46,200 --> 03:00:48,510
very good and North Georgia had
a meet up

3123
03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:51,210
Unknown: in the morning Adam and
John sir Bob here with the North

3124
03:00:51,210 --> 03:00:54,480
Georgia meet up report we had a
great turnout and great time as

3125
03:00:54,480 --> 03:00:57,210
always, you know we always learn
something new at these meetups

3126
03:00:57,210 --> 03:00:59,370
everybody North Georgia if
you've never been to one come

3127
03:00:59,370 --> 03:01:01,740
the next one December 21 If
you've been there before and

3128
03:01:01,740 --> 03:01:03,900
haven't been there for a while.
Come on out and join us again

3129
03:01:03,900 --> 03:01:06,660
we'd like to see you again. Know
this month we learned that

3130
03:01:06,660 --> 03:01:10,410
Darren O'Neal gave my crutches
night name of Dr. Sir my crotch

3131
03:01:10,620 --> 03:01:12,810
let's see what the rest of
slaves had to say. As always

3132
03:01:12,810 --> 03:01:15,210
thank you for your courage and
remember connection is

3133
03:01:15,210 --> 03:01:15,720
protection

3134
03:01:16,140 --> 03:01:18,630
dude named Ben here go to a meet
up

3135
03:01:20,700 --> 03:01:25,050
Surrey here from the real North
Georgia remember connection is

3136
03:01:25,050 --> 03:01:25,740
protection.

3137
03:01:27,660 --> 03:01:32,550
This is Radar writer my first
meet up and community is

3138
03:01:32,550 --> 03:01:35,160
connection go to a meet up soon.

3139
03:01:37,020 --> 03:01:42,450
Hi, this is Lisa my first meetup
with no agenda and very happy

3140
03:01:42,450 --> 03:01:48,360
love the people can't wait till
the next one. In the morning

3141
03:01:48,360 --> 03:01:51,840
this is Carrie hanging out with
all the fine GA folks.

3142
03:01:54,270 --> 03:02:01,050
This is not euro and Russians
ads. Is anyone listening over?

3143
03:02:03,450 --> 03:02:09,360
And a Doctor sir my crotch. If
I'm gonna collect another

3144
03:02:10,320 --> 03:02:15,720
diploma, I'm gonna need a
transcript. Make it sealed. Send

3145
03:02:15,720 --> 03:02:22,560
it to my employer. Oh, you
accept Pay Pal for pay audios

3146
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:26,220
Adam Curry: a production notes
if you're going to do a meet up

3147
03:02:26,220 --> 03:02:30,090
report. either tighten it up or
don't put music under it because

3148
03:02:30,090 --> 03:02:35,430
it makes editing impossible for
me. And the final meter of

3149
03:02:35,430 --> 03:02:40,470
report was from Nashville kind
of a kind of a sad one. This

3150
03:02:40,470 --> 03:02:43,350
Unknown: is Steve The Baron of
BNA. I met the pre Thanksgiving

3151
03:02:43,350 --> 03:02:47,160
meet up in Nashville. And
unfortunately, nobody showed up.

3152
03:02:51,030 --> 03:02:55,380
Adam Curry: Maybe next time. Oh,
come on people hook a brother up

3153
03:02:55,680 --> 03:03:00,150
Nashville. As I said nothing up
until it's through the next show

3154
03:03:00,150 --> 03:03:04,080
day but on the 25th on Friday
Fort Worth Texas. And then we've

3155
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:07,830
got Denver Colorado on the 30th
Tilburg, the Netherlands we've

3156
03:03:07,830 --> 03:03:11,550
got some Louisiana Connecticut.
Indianapolis remember the keeper

3157
03:03:11,550 --> 03:03:14,580
and I'll be there December 4 We
got Fort Dodge Iowa on the

3158
03:03:14,580 --> 03:03:17,580
sixth. We have another
Fredericksburg, Virginia on the

3159
03:03:17,580 --> 03:03:19,860
ninth. I mean, these things are
popping all the way through

3160
03:03:19,860 --> 03:03:22,950
December 23 in Torrance,
California. These are the no

3161
03:03:22,950 --> 03:03:26,070
agenda meetups if you'd like to
show you need to get this other

3162
03:03:26,070 --> 03:03:28,620
part of it is the companion is
what you need in your life

3163
03:03:28,620 --> 03:03:31,710
connection is protection. Go out
and hang out with some human

3164
03:03:31,710 --> 03:03:34,650
beings no agenda meetup.com If
you can't want to find one near

3165
03:03:34,650 --> 03:03:36,030
you start one yourself.

3166
03:03:37,980 --> 03:03:45,750
Unknown: Hang out with Dyson
days, you won't be triggered.

3167
03:03:47,910 --> 03:03:54,900
You want to be where everybody
feels the same. It's like a bar.

3168
03:03:56,490 --> 03:03:57,990
Prue

3169
03:03:58,020 --> 03:04:03,180
Adam Curry: humor ski. Now was
long, long, but I love it. I

3170
03:04:03,180 --> 03:04:08,940
love these meetups. This It's so
refreshing to see human beings

3171
03:04:08,940 --> 03:04:10,080
hanging out with each other.

3172
03:04:11,430 --> 03:04:12,990
Unknown: People don't do enough
of that anymore.

3173
03:04:14,670 --> 03:04:16,740
Adam Curry: Do you have any ISOs
are you alive? I have.

3174
03:04:17,010 --> 03:04:19,800
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I did first
I went first last time. I'm

3175
03:04:19,800 --> 03:04:21,540
going first again again.

3176
03:04:21,570 --> 03:04:25,380
Adam Curry: I want to go first.
Okay, I have four ISOs Oh,

3177
03:04:25,410 --> 03:04:27,570
you're gonna let me go first
because you're gonna win.

3178
03:04:29,730 --> 03:04:30,600
John C Dvorak: Okay, go first.

3179
03:04:30,690 --> 03:04:33,060
Adam Curry: I'm gonna go for
this is I'm just playing is too

3180
03:04:33,060 --> 03:04:36,180
long. But it's just because it's
a classic and he's come back

3181
03:04:36,180 --> 03:04:37,830
with another version of it shook

3182
03:04:37,830 --> 03:04:40,680
Unknown: up and put mercury in
the food and water supply that

3183
03:04:40,680 --> 03:04:42,150
turns the frickin birds

3184
03:04:42,150 --> 03:04:44,370
Adam Curry: gay. I mean, it's
just I just wanted to give props

3185
03:04:44,370 --> 03:04:48,840
to the seat for that one. He
doesn't stop. This is this was

3186
03:04:48,840 --> 03:04:52,500
interesting magical shape
shifting Jews and didn't expect

3187
03:04:52,500 --> 03:04:55,440
that one and we have one from
Megyn Kelly, thank you so much

3188
03:04:55,440 --> 03:04:58,440
for your courage. There you go.
That's the form that was pretty

3189
03:04:58,440 --> 03:05:01,230
good. Yeah, Megan. One's pretty
dynamite yes I agree. So

3190
03:05:01,230 --> 03:05:03,420
John C Dvorak: let's go Well
there's one that competes with

3191
03:05:03,420 --> 03:05:06,630
that is thanks for your start.
Well let's start at the top. One

3192
03:05:06,630 --> 03:05:08,130
of my favorites is amazing.

3193
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:09,150
Unknown: Absolutely amazing.

3194
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:11,970
John C Dvorak: I wish it were a
little wouldn't cut off. Yeah,

3195
03:05:11,970 --> 03:05:15,810
it's muddy. Yeah Casco is
blender, colossal blunder.

3196
03:05:17,310 --> 03:05:18,840
Unknown: Who is that? Who's
doing that?

3197
03:05:19,110 --> 03:05:21,180
John C Dvorak: Who's this dude
played again? You can identify

3198
03:05:21,180 --> 03:05:21,750
the voice.

3199
03:05:21,780 --> 03:05:23,550
Adam Curry: Let me see if I can
colossal

3200
03:05:23,550 --> 03:05:24,090
Unknown: blunder.

3201
03:05:25,410 --> 03:05:30,990
I can't show humor blunder. I
can't just Chuck Schumer here.

3202
03:05:31,020 --> 03:05:33,330
That's Chuck Schumer. Yes, Chuck
Schumer.

3203
03:05:35,340 --> 03:05:37,290
John C Dvorak: All right. Well,
they didn't like that sounds

3204
03:05:37,290 --> 03:05:38,970
good. Lovely. How love.

3205
03:05:39,450 --> 03:05:41,370
Unknown: I'm sorry. How lovely.

3206
03:05:42,900 --> 03:05:45,210
Adam Curry: Muddy as well. Man.
Little muddy.

3207
03:05:45,240 --> 03:05:46,620
John C Dvorak: Thanks for the
time.

3208
03:05:46,650 --> 03:05:47,910
Unknown: Thank you so much for
your time.

3209
03:05:49,530 --> 03:05:51,210
John C Dvorak: Clean as a
whistle. Yeah, for me,

3210
03:05:51,210 --> 03:05:53,640
Adam Curry: it's between that
and the thank you for your

3211
03:05:53,640 --> 03:05:57,060
courage. I mean, I don't know
which I would go with Megan. You

3212
03:05:57,060 --> 03:05:59,670
think? Yeah, that's Megan Z. I
mean, it's good. She stole that

3213
03:05:59,670 --> 03:06:03,060
from us. She listened to our
show. You know, she doubted you

3214
03:06:03,060 --> 03:06:08,460
know she does. Now, we are at if

3215
03:06:08,460 --> 03:06:10,260
John C Dvorak: she gets a note
saying hey, they mentioned you

3216
03:06:10,260 --> 03:06:16,410
on the show. And then she'll
send back at exactly what point?

3217
03:06:16,650 --> 03:06:18,690
Yeah, give me a time code.

3218
03:06:18,720 --> 03:06:21,750
Adam Curry: I want to time code
or didn't happen. I will listen

3219
03:06:21,750 --> 03:06:26,250
to is too long. It is we are
three minutes and 73 hours and

3220
03:06:26,250 --> 03:06:28,740
seven minutes into the show.
That means it's time for what do

3221
03:06:28,740 --> 03:06:34,560
we want? When do we want it now?
Yeah, good news. Time.

3222
03:06:35,430 --> 03:06:38,160
Unknown: For news, everyone.
Yes, John.

3223
03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:39,630
Adam Curry: Did you bring us a
good news clip?

3224
03:06:39,960 --> 03:06:42,840
John C Dvorak: Yes, I did. And
here it is. Hundreds

3225
03:06:42,840 --> 03:06:45,360
Unknown: of Lucky students at a
Southwest Metro Elementary

3226
03:06:45,360 --> 03:06:49,050
School got a big surprise this
morning. Metro Shoe Warehouse

3227
03:06:49,050 --> 03:06:53,580
and OKC Public Schools teamed up
to give them all new shoes. Oh,

3228
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:56,190
awesome. percent was there 700

3229
03:06:56,190 --> 03:06:59,010
shoes wheeled into Fillmore
elementary here in Oklahoma

3230
03:06:59,010 --> 03:07:06,510
City. 600 kids all leaving with
a brand new pair of kids. It was

3231
03:07:06,510 --> 03:07:09,210
a Friday to remember for these
Fillmore Elementary School

3232
03:07:09,210 --> 03:07:12,000
Falcons kicking off the
Christmas season a little early.

3233
03:07:12,120 --> 03:07:15,120
We think like that. So many
choices. All

3234
03:07:15,120 --> 03:07:17,730
thanks to a partnership between
the Oklahoma City Public School

3235
03:07:17,730 --> 03:07:21,540
District and Metro Shoe
Warehouse. Looks like about

3236
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:24,960
three for you. It's Metro Shoe
Warehouse is 12th year doing

3237
03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:28,050
this. They help over 2000 kids
per year in the Oklahoma City

3238
03:07:28,050 --> 03:07:28,620
District.

3239
03:07:28,680 --> 03:07:31,530
Oh, it's awesome. It's a great
feeling. You know, we love doing

3240
03:07:31,530 --> 03:07:31,740
it.

3241
03:07:32,010 --> 03:07:34,680
You know, we'll continue to do
it for a long, long time. School

3242
03:07:34,680 --> 03:07:37,470
Principal Stephanie Bowman says
they kept it a secret and spirit

3243
03:07:37,470 --> 03:07:38,640
of the holiday season.

3244
03:07:38,820 --> 03:07:41,130
So this morning, we announced
that everybody was getting a new

3245
03:07:41,130 --> 03:07:43,620
pair of shoes and I just love
seeing the excitement on their

3246
03:07:43,620 --> 03:07:46,980
faces when they were coming into
the gym this morning. volunteers

3247
03:07:46,980 --> 03:07:49,680
helped streamline the process
matching the right size, the

3248
03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:51,630
right style with each student.
It's

3249
03:07:51,630 --> 03:07:54,840
Christmas around the corner. And
this is one less thing our

3250
03:07:54,840 --> 03:07:56,130
parents have to worry about.

3251
03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:59,220
Customer set Oklahoma's news for

3252
03:08:01,320 --> 03:08:04,830
Adam Curry: everyone. That made
me happy. I feel good now.

3253
03:08:05,850 --> 03:08:09,840
Please. That's good. I like
that. Well done. Well done, sir.

3254
03:08:09,840 --> 03:08:13,050
Well done. I had the good news
of the dog that stay with his

3255
03:08:13,050 --> 03:08:16,650
dead owner for 10 weeks, but it
was kind of as Kenny kind of

3256
03:08:16,650 --> 03:08:22,800
creepy. Creepy news. Yes. When
we return on Thursday, which

3257
03:08:22,800 --> 03:08:25,320
will be Thanksgiving we're happy
to work for you. Happy to be

3258
03:08:25,320 --> 03:08:27,870
here to bring you your
deconstruction I probably have

3259
03:08:28,020 --> 03:08:28,620
everybody

3260
03:08:28,620 --> 03:08:31,470
John C Dvorak: else vacations.
It's all right. I've seen the

3261
03:08:31,470 --> 03:08:35,130
team comes in 13 comes in not
here. Migrant

3262
03:08:35,130 --> 03:08:38,370
Adam Curry: replacement stuff.
Still got some Chinese stuff

3263
03:08:38,370 --> 03:08:42,870
more big pharma stuff. We'll
just have to carry that over to

3264
03:08:42,870 --> 03:08:45,840
the next show. Thank you all for
being at the meetup thank you

3265
03:08:45,840 --> 03:08:48,330
for supporting us thank you for
being Executive Associate

3266
03:08:48,330 --> 03:08:53,460
Executive Producers show number
donations PhD graduates. And up

3267
03:08:53,460 --> 03:08:57,570
next on no agenda stream we have
revelations radio news, along

3268
03:08:57,570 --> 03:09:01,740
with end of show mixes from Sir
Dr. IDEs laughs and Secret Agent

3269
03:09:01,740 --> 03:09:04,080
Paul, coming to you from the
heart of the Texas Hill Country.

3270
03:09:04,320 --> 03:09:06,900
In FEMA Region number six in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam

3271
03:09:06,900 --> 03:09:07,290
curry.

3272
03:09:07,680 --> 03:09:10,620
John C Dvorak: And from Northern
Silicon Valley where I remain

3273
03:09:10,620 --> 03:09:12,540
I'm John Cena. Barek we returned

3274
03:09:12,570 --> 03:09:14,370
Adam Curry: again on
Thanksgiving. Will we be

3275
03:09:14,370 --> 03:09:18,120
thanking you we'll be giving the
thanks to you and media

3276
03:09:18,120 --> 03:09:22,470
deconstruction. Until then
remember us at the vortec.org/na

3277
03:09:22,620 --> 03:09:26,880
Until then adios mofos or who we
who we and sides. They're going

3278
03:09:26,880 --> 03:09:30,450
to do it to everybody. Anybody
who's not on board with a

3279
03:09:30,450 --> 03:09:36,390
message is going to get it
that's just that's just that's

3280
03:09:36,390 --> 03:09:43,560
just the new way. If you're a
politician, you're not on board,

3281
03:09:43,980 --> 03:09:47,070
then you're gonna get it. If
you're a journalist, you're not

3282
03:09:47,070 --> 03:09:51,750
on board. You're gonna get it.
The only thing that's left

3283
03:09:51,750 --> 03:09:53,520
standing is podcasts.

3284
03:09:55,650 --> 03:09:57,390
John C Dvorak: If you want to
call it scanning personally, I'm

3285
03:09:57,390 --> 03:10:00,120
sitting I'm sitting there and

3286
03:10:10,019 --> 03:10:12,809
Unknown: food noise and shatter
sugar addicts having gastric

3287
03:10:12,809 --> 03:10:16,889
emptying episodes ask yourself
what's the matter more damaged

3288
03:10:16,889 --> 03:10:20,909
than the benefit once you start
taking these pills it's hard to

3289
03:10:20,909 --> 03:10:24,569
kick look out for and ozempic
rebound after the plateau same

3290
03:10:24,569 --> 03:10:28,799
drug new name hack the public
will never know. Fasting can

3291
03:10:28,799 --> 03:10:31,919
cure you pretty fast who is
always better than one just

3292
03:10:31,919 --> 03:10:36,329
think about the outcasts what's
next in my head? I hear a food

3293
03:10:36,329 --> 03:10:39,929
voice that was Key and Peele
with the noise

3294
03:10:45,240 --> 03:10:49,830
Yeah, PBS with a couple of
dipshit chicks I mean, it's

3295
03:10:49,830 --> 03:10:53,970
called insulin resistance hunger
cues giving you these metabolic

3296
03:10:53,970 --> 03:10:58,800
clues your body's a temple
talking about Doctor Who dr.

3297
03:10:58,800 --> 03:11:04,050
Carla is a pediatrician and
obesity physicians and brain

3298
03:11:04,050 --> 03:11:07,560
science chemicals up in the air
constant cravings in the brain

3299
03:11:07,830 --> 03:11:09,480
doctors don't really care

3300
03:11:20,520 --> 03:11:22,080
John C Dvorak: you go off the go

3301
03:11:31,020 --> 03:11:38,310
Unknown: can anyone he remember
the hole in the ozone layer? Can

3302
03:11:38,310 --> 03:11:41,880
you tell me where it's gone?

3303
03:11:43,830 --> 03:11:51,900
I can't recall but I know we
were all done and we must have

3304
03:11:51,900 --> 03:12:01,050
done something wrong. Does
anyone know what happened to the

3305
03:12:01,050 --> 03:12:17,520
gasoline shortage when the palm
smooth the last drop by 1990 but

3306
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:19,770
now there is an ample supply

3307
03:12:26,040 --> 03:12:37,410
remembers a y2k free theme was
gonna try every screen would be

3308
03:12:40,350 --> 03:12:51,120
nothing but someone made a lot
of he was gonna be the next Ice

3309
03:12:51,120 --> 03:12:59,490
Age but somehow return that
page. For free now it's old by

3310
03:12:59,490 --> 03:13:01,230
12 degrees

3311
03:13:08,070 --> 03:13:10,230
Adam Curry: and no gender
producers if you're on

3312
03:13:10,230 --> 03:13:12,780
antidepressants and you're
gaining weight, I love you. I

3313
03:13:12,780 --> 03:13:16,770
love you. I don't care how fat
you are. I love you. Seriously

3314
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:20,220
Don't don't just doesn't sound
like a good idea to add this to

3315
03:13:20,220 --> 03:13:21,330
the mix. It doesn't

3316
03:13:22,410 --> 03:13:24,780
John C Dvorak: change topics
here I want to title our new

3317
03:13:24,780 --> 03:13:26,160
intelligence agency.

3318
03:13:26,190 --> 03:13:31,110
Adam Curry: I love you. I love
you just the size you are. Okay,

3319
03:13:32,040 --> 03:13:34,800
that's important for me. Because
I love I love our producers. I

3320
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:36,120
don't care how big they are.

3321
03:13:38,220 --> 03:13:39,780
John C Dvorak: You on big?

3322
03:13:47,940 --> 03:13:54,030
Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/in A
thank you so much for your

3323
03:13:54,030 --> 03:13:54,690
courage.