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Adam Curry: I'm washed up. Adam
curry Jhansi Devorah tonight

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2024 This Year Award winning
give on nation media

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assassination episode 1667 This
is no agenda, defying climate

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despair and broadcasting live
from the heart of the Titans. No

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country here in FEMA Region
number six in the morning,

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everybody. I'm Adam curry.

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John C Dvorak: If another
Silicon Valley where we all

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agree that Eric Sean on Fox is
annoying. I'm John C double x.

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Adam Curry: Kill Eric who?

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John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's been
25 years. Eric

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Adam Curry: Shawn. Yeah. I've
never even heard of this guy.

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John C Dvorak: Yeah, he shows up
a lot more than you used to. But

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he's been there forever. He's he
is the Trump hitman. And he if

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you see a picture of me he looks
like an IRS agent who never got

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promoted.

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Adam Curry: I honestly, I don't
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Yeah, that kind of ruins it,
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, again, we
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Adam Curry: have YouTube TV. So

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John C Dvorak: I guess I could
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know. But I only have

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Adam Curry: that, you know, for
a backup in case there's

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something I really need to
watch. Now ever since Tucker

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left the fox became
uninteresting. I think that's

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when it all went downhill. And
they just became, you know,

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lame. They were already kind of
lame. But isn't that all that we

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ever watched? Did you watch Do
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John C Dvorak: No, I watch if
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failed. No.

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Adam Curry: Of course you do.
Yeah. That's good. Yeah.

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John C Dvorak: And, and then I
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Adam Curry: also ever since
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prime time spot is like, just
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John C Dvorak: He is goofy. He's

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Adam Curry: goofy. You know, at
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could watch and say let's see if
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John C Dvorak: A month ago.

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Adam Curry: Now he did the high
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become like Sunday and then
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John C Dvorak: catching up. They
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Adam Curry: He got too close to
the truth. Exactly right. Well,

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as we predicted, as we predicted
on non Thursday, the heat dome

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is here who's to

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Unknown: coast tonight scorching
triple digit temperatures from

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California to Florida, across
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under a heat dome all notice as
carbon dioxide is accumulating

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faster than ever in the
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Adam Curry: that has nothing to
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it just says that we'll just
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John C Dvorak: gonna get this
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dioxide it's got nothing to do
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Unknown: site is accumulating
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under a heat dome. All this as
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accumulating faster than ever in
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blanket over the earth and
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globally the last 12 months have
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We need to very seriously people
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John C Dvorak: cold here. I
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cold and right now to
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kinda cold, but it's 56 or so.
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two days. The fog rolled and
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it was last year. Another record
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Who are we kidding?

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Adam Curry: I love how riled up
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lie. No, they're not lying.
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dome. And then she says all this
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dioxide has nothing to do with
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brings it brings in the blanket.
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But that's NBC. How about the
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Unknown: The heat dome is a big
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locks in heat. Okay,

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what is the connection between
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Adam Curry: This is Didn't you
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you interest there's never

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John C Dvorak: been a high
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of mankind until climate change.
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Adam Curry: 1936 We had a very
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the most severe heat waves that
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Great Depression and the Dust
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have any climate change back
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know. But it was the same
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high pressure system which as
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do with carbon dioxide has
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Unknown: they're intimately
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Adam Curry: intimately connected
there they haven't they making

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love out there on the beach
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they're intimately connected
save, you know, humans burn oil

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and gas and coal it releases
planning.

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Adam Curry: Are we going to get
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just one Oh,

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John C Dvorak: he's just one of
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Adam Curry: This is good stuff,
man. This is why we're here so

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people can feel good about
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Unknown: it releases carbon
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gases, those gases, they
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over the course of decades and
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and that directly leads to
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directly, it helps drive these
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Adam Curry: she's kind of
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carbon dioxide, according to her
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nothing to do with the heat dome
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Unknown: leads to higher
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drive these extreme heat events,
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really high and sees really high
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fact, scientists can say that
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are happening right now would be
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John C Dvorak: literally
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does include the Dust Bowl,
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scorched the earth and resulted
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into California and 30s not
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worldwide depression. Yeah,
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Adam Curry: like that. literally
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Unknown: It's a really close
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Our news here is a really close
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dioxide levels are hitting a
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greenhouse gas emissions. How
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know, one, the US decrease in
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altogether, it's definitely not
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, we've
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eat bugs? Or is there something
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Adam Curry: how how he said how
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Adam Curry: estimation he sees
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question. He said how do they do
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Adam Curry: I don't know it
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John C Dvorak: I don't think so.

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Adam Curry: The dinosaurs had
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dioxide so they could actually
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John C Dvorak: wasn't for the
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you have that much carbon
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Adam Curry: to eat. Yes, that's
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Unknown: then there has been
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John C Dvorak: Oh 4% Are you
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Adam Curry: of which the US is
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Adam Curry: Here's Rebecca
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John C Dvorak: the problem with
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else that you've been hearing is
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is the problem a which I find to
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talked about this too much. It
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conversation. Yes, but this is
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effects this is typical, the
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to the public about all this
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the micro climate effects on
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Unknown: A child born today will
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climate change. But a new report
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that children may not be getting
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climate adaptation policies and
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Most countries in the world now
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deal with climate change. But
when a team of researchers

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looked at 160 of them, they
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quarter didn't have any policy
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helping and protecting children.
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address the growing problem of
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young people. Another recent
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of kids surveyed worldwide were
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climate change. The researchers
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involved in climate policy
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Adam Curry: Oh, you let the kids
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the climate change PR company
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magazine, or time.com, I should
say. Also had quite the article

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they only they call it climate
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John C Dvorak: Yes, that's what
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climate despair. How did they
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the from the teachers who are
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that are ruining their lives. So

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Adam Curry: the time starts off
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many people are either in flat
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trolls, if you're in climate
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John C Dvorak: yes and no?

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Adam Curry: What's the no part

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Adam Curry: first of all, top of
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John C Dvorak: that's what we're
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treatment people avoid talking
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John C Dvorak: with the hills a
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Adam Curry: these are discussion
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John C Dvorak: is like
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Adam Curry: I think all I know
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Adam Curry: No, no, no, this is
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John C Dvorak: that it has
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John C Dvorak: it seems to me
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Adam Curry: You've got to find
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no agenda meetups.com We're so
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John C Dvorak: Put a garden in
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some people cope with climate
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themselves from the problem,
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just go away. It's more
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all those emotions and redirect
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John C Dvorak: That would assess
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John C Dvorak: London a
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Adam Curry: just love doing
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felt should be ashamed of
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the show yet. Awesome. Number
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no time for humility. Make sure
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you're going to combat climate
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John C Dvorak: wow, that's a
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Adam Curry: To wear the t shirt.
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grow fruits and vegetables,
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John C Dvorak: It's a good idea.

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Adam Curry: We're on to the next
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climate change is especially
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health. If your kids are coming
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how your whole family can take
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John C Dvorak: you imagine this?
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sick as he's just got out of
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perhaps about the climate? And
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Adam Curry: yeah. This is what
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artsy is the next one on the
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pattern repetitive movements and
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John C Dvorak: Learn to code
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Adam Curry: to get into the flow
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colors, shapes and lines to
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John C Dvorak: Really? Yes,
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Adam Curry: one on the list.
Savor time outside. Yes.

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spending time outside in green
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being. love and grief are two
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show could have been our tip.
No, I got it's my turn for the

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tip of the day. So I got a tip
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John C Dvorak: a tip. No, don't
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Adam Curry: No. You said it was
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Adam Curry: tip. Alright, we'll
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John C Dvorak: I like dueling
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Adam Curry: do Duolingo and then
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Adam Curry: Okay, sounds good.
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terrorizing your kids, there is
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news. And this comes from of
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much about it. They had a press
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College of Pediatrics came out
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was this was a little bit like
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COVID who went on the steps of
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John C Dvorak: I'm trying to
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Adam Curry: yeah that a kind of
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John C Dvorak: Doctors for
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Adam Curry: real with real
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John C Dvorak: Actual doctors
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Adam Curry: have the frontline
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John C Dvorak: Frontline,
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know, they look official. They
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mental health effects of the
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who expressed discomfort with
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declaration was authored by the
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Pediatricians. But really it was
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harmful protocols that continue
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organizations in the United
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revelations from the leaked W
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release of the final report from
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organizations have not changed
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pediatric Endocrine Society, the
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the American Psychological
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Academy of Child and Adolescent
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and their European colleagues.
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promotion of social affirmation,
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hormones and surgeries for
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adolescents who experience
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sex. In our declaration, we
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innate trait defined in relation
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in reproduction, male and
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not altered by drugs or surgical
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these innate differences is
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medicine, and to the development
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adults alike. Medical Decision
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individual's biological sex, it
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reality and the dignity of the
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addressing the whole person. We
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by these medical organizations
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consensus. They are not
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in a loud unified voice Enough,

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Adam Curry: enough. Amen.

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John C Dvorak: I saw this. Did
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hopeless. The problem is the way
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Kaiser Foundation and all these
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this is a moneymaker bonanza.
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the kids are scarred for life or
they commit suicide three years

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later? Who cares? Their money to
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too much. And then these people
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group here that you're just
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Adam Curry: At the same time,
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shooter Audrey Hale, they have
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Tennessee star, reprinted pieces
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contact us and we played it, or
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this is not the manifesto, but
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journal. And I'll just quote
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wrote, I will be of no use of
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have what they need a boy's body
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hails purported discomfort is
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musculoskeletal pain is a
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medication that was prescribed
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Vanderbilt University Medical
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what that was. But in addition
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Institutes of Health explains
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medication. The anti anxiety
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abnormal dreams, outbursts of
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weakness. Hail was additionally
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better known as Lexapro and
Medical News Today explains that

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using the depression drug with
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increase the risk of the side
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anger, etc. Stop putting kids on
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John C Dvorak: that's all Oh,
that's no good. It's costing us

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money.

458
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Adam Curry: We got to boots. Did
you see the email from our I

459
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asked him if I could read some
of this from our producer who

460
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,120
was in the testing industrial
complex during COVID. Speaking

461
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,510
of money, the Bonanza that it
was, these was a very long

462
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email. I don't know if you read
it. I didn't see it. He says the

463
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,560
company I work for had the
contracts to test about 225,000

464
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students and staff on a weekly
basis. This was the Los Angeles

465
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United school district provide a
unified and the contracts to

466
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test half of the LAUSD for one
school year was how much you

467
00:25:54,570 --> 00:26:00,420
think that was $20 million $750
million.

468
00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:02,700
John C Dvorak: I'm a little low.

469
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,960
Adam Curry: Just a tad. Another
company had the contract to test

470
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the other half. When it started,
we had 800 health care workers

471
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flown in, living in hotel rooms
in and around Los Angeles

472
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:18,690
getting $87 Per Diem so each day
you get 87 bucks to do stuff

473
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with at the time we were the
largest US customer for Hertz

474
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rent a car with nearly 500
vehicles. Eventually to help the

475
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economy. We transition to all
local employees hired as

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temporary W tos. At the end we
had 1200 employees on the

477
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project. The lab we contracted
with was in Oakland, California.

478
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So twice a day Monday through
Friday. Samples were flown from

479
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Van Nuys Airport up to Oakland
by a contracted company using

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their own aircraft. And then he
goes on to say about he says

481
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working with the LAUSD was a
nightmare as you can imagine the

482
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,640
DEI bullshit was off the charts.
Both the LAUSD and company I

483
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,090
worked for suffered mightily
from the incompetence inherent

484
00:27:00,090 --> 00:27:04,560
to dei literal effing idiots
toxic, paranoid narcissists.

485
00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:08,460
When no Biden's vaccine mandate
came down, their true fastest

486
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:12,030
nature was exposed, exposed, I
had to fire people who did not

487
00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:16,050
want the poison Vax because
LAUSD did not want the unclean

488
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in their schools. And then, our
boots on the ground producer has

489
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his own confession, he says, I
know I will burn in hell for

490
00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:26,490
what I did, which I am ashamed
to admit I did out of greed,

491
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:30,510
having gorgeous, I love that
he's no, you will not bother

492
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you. And I'm praying for you.
Having never made a lot of

493
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,540
money, and in the previous 10
years living outside the normal

494
00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:39,750
financial system, and only
making about $24,000 a year I'm

495
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ashamed to say the temptation of
$250,000 a year was too much to

496
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:47,910
withstand. I knew all about the
Nuremberg Code, but on every

497
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,550
occasion I attempted to discuss
with my superiors, I was

498
00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:53,760
rebuffed, I still have a lump on
my head from banging it against

499
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the wall in frustration on an
hourly basis. Any attempt to

500
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,670
improve operations or efficiency
had to be measured against the

501
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potential loss of revenue. So
the more inefficient and the

502
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more people required, the more
money make my company made.

503
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Remember that contract was for
up to $750 million? No way in

504
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:17,010
hell, they would leave money on
the table. Ah. So that that

505
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:19,950
that's it. That's really what
what is happening with these

506
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:24,540
trans kids? That's what's
happening with the entire

507
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,070
pharmaceutical system, the
system, the system itself, the

508
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:32,550
system? And yes, of course,
there are good doctors. I got a

509
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:34,710
sweet note from one of our
doctors said we're not all

510
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:38,040
horrible. No, of course you're
not with generalizing.

511
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,560
John C Dvorak: It is not the
doctors fault. Usually. It's the

512
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protocols. Yes, it Yeah, the
doctors have to go especially if

513
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they're working for some
organization. They have to

514
00:28:46,410 --> 00:28:50,250
follow the protocols. They're
just simply get fired. And

515
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,430
meanwhile I ever met in and
hydroxy, Chloroquine and all

516
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:55,740
that stuff was thrown out the
door because No, no, no, it's

517
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:57,750
not at a protocol you can't do
and you couldn't get

518
00:28:57,750 --> 00:29:00,090
Adam Curry: emergency use
authorization if there was

519
00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:01,920
something that could fix the
problem.

520
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:05,760
Unknown: And then we come to the
VAX this morning chiefs

521
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,180
defensive end Vijay Thompson
recovering following a medical

522
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,810
emergency sources say the 25
year old Thompson appeared to

523
00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:16,500
suffer a seizure and go into
cardiac arrest during a team

524
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:17,550
meeting Thursday

525
00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:20,640
while I'm arrowhead drive
cardiac arrest. There's a doctor

526
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,130
on site and CPR is in progress
at this time.

527
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,370
Team doctors and trainers are
working to stabilize the young

528
00:29:26,370 --> 00:29:29,820
player before an ambulance
rushed him to a nearby hospital.

529
00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:33,960
The Chiefs canceling practice,
but not offering any official

530
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,980
comment. How critical are those
first few minutes post cardiac

531
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event?

532
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,180
The first few minutes and even
seconds are critical. We know

533
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:46,590
that every second that the heart
is not pumping blood as it

534
00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:49,680
should to the brain and the rest
of the body. The probability of

535
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,650
having a good outcome declines
precipitously as

536
00:29:52,650 --> 00:29:55,860
a rookie defensive lineman
Thompson played in one game last

537
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:59,850
season showing promise on a team
that took home yet another Super

538
00:29:59,850 --> 00:30:04,050
Bowl championship. His college
coach writing prayers up for SFA

539
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:07,350
football zone. BJ Thompson,
thankful for the Chiefs medical

540
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:10,650
team, as the rapid and excellent
response made the difference.

541
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Adam Curry: Now you've been
following sports ball for many,

542
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:18,930
many years. Have you ever seen
this many cardiac arrest round

543
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,600
John C Dvorak: is happening
commonly. And it's the whole sub

544
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,380
stack column dedicated to this.
I think I sent you one of these

545
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:30,930
ones. Everyone's will send you
one because it has too many

546
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:34,410
people in it. The last time he
did one, I can't remember this.

547
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:37,650
I have to hit the nail. You got
it? Yeah, tips, put it in the

548
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:41,670
tips. Yeah. But it's the guy
follows all this. And he

549
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,690
recently just did all these
celebrities that that were rock

550
00:30:48,690 --> 00:30:51,360
and roll musicians that are
starting to drop left and right.

551
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,120
are having these heart attacks
just out of the blue. And it's

552
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:00,960
it's pretty well, I have a
series of clips. Peter

553
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,430
McCullough coming up later, can

554
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:05,010
Adam Curry: I play the payoff to
this one, and then we can

555
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:07,200
actually go to McCool. Actually,
I

556
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,360
John C Dvorak: got I have an
inner it's something in the

557
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,990
middle. That should probably be
played. Okay. All right. Yeah, I

558
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:14,490
want to pay off. What's the
payoff?

559
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,410
Adam Curry: Oh, what do you want
to do you want to play? You're

560
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:18,180
in the middle clip, or do you
want me? No, no, no,

561
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:20,700
John C Dvorak: the enemy video
clip is light. Well, the

562
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:21,480
question

563
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:26,100
Adam Curry: that the experts are
stumped. They cannot. They

564
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,800
John C Dvorak: they're always
stumped. They cannot figure out

565
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:31,380
their experts. By the way. They
know everything about

566
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:35,010
everything. But for some reason
this situation stumps them they

567
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:35,280
don't

568
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,840
Adam Curry: understand the the
cancers. They don't understand

569
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,310
the cardiac. Right turbo cancer
turbo, can't they aggressive

570
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:47,400
turbo? Can they just don't have
that? Is it something in the

571
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,170
food? Is it is it something
environmental? Is it stress?

572
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,130
transfats.

573
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:54,090
John C Dvorak: Here's the latest

574
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Unknown: we turn to a health
alert now and it's released

575
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,030
today raising concerns about
popular sugar substitute. Dan

576
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:01,740
Thompson is here and what did we
learn

577
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:04,920
in Leicester. This is the latest
study to find a link between a

578
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,120
common sugar substitute and
cardiovascular issues. Xylitol

579
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,260
is in all sorts of free gum
candy and baked goods, even

580
00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:14,010
toothpaste.

581
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,620
Adam Curry: So now it's the
Xylitol that's doing it.

582
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:19,650
John C Dvorak: And by the way,
xylitol has been in the public

583
00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:24,870
domain as a sweetener for
digestible sweetener, basically,

584
00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:30,480
that that sugary for I remember
first hearing about it 30 years

585
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,220
ago, where all the heart attacks
then.

586
00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:36,270
Adam Curry: Well, Newsweek
reports the latest because these

587
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:39,840
pilots all I mean, people can't
remember the name even No, no.

588
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Energy drinks are linked to
sudden cardiac arrest. There it

589
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,060
is. Oh, that's new on the scene.
The researchers at the Mayo

590
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:52,140
Clinic have warned that drinking
these beverages, which often

591
00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:54,960
contain high amounts of caffeine
and other stimulating

592
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,680
ingredients, oh, no dangerous
for people with genetic heart

593
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,620
disease. Yes. So they studied
they examined 144 sudden cardiac

594
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,860
arrest survivors, seven patients
within this group had consumed

595
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:11,190
one or more energy drinks near
to the time of the cardiac

596
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:18,090
event. So you could drink a
monster and keel over dead. When

597
00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:20,400
are we going to wake up as a
civilization

598
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:23,970
John C Dvorak: but you're waking
up? You're like, oh, no, no,

599
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,010
Adam Curry: no. Clearly waking

600
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:29,190
John C Dvorak: up doesn't know.
Too much money, money, money,

601
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:29,610
money.

602
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,400
Adam Curry: There's 900,000
people who listen to this show.

603
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:34,680
They're waking up. They're like,
hey, wait a minute, I'm awake.

604
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,220
John C Dvorak: Well, 900,000
that's one in 300 with less than

605
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:39,720
one and three. Everybody

606
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,470
Adam Curry: tells 300 Friends,
the whole country like the rich

607
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,240
John C Dvorak: wish they would.

608
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,410
Adam Curry: All right, you're up
to bat. Okay,

609
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:54,360
John C Dvorak: well, here this
is a little break in the action.

610
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,580
But before we get to some more
serious stuff. This is

611
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:59,070
interesting, because this is an
ask Adam.

612
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,190
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a
second. Oh, I wasn't I was not

613
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:07,980
prepared. All right. You haven't
asked Adam now. You mean, you're

614
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:10,590
doing these and I wasn't quite
you know, we haven't been

615
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,480
John C Dvorak: quite get it. You
haven't already? I didn't

616
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,360
Adam Curry: answer the question.
The answer the question.

617
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:21,180
John C Dvorak: I got to ask Adam
question. Yes.

618
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:23,250
Adam Curry: Do I play it now?
Yeah. Okay.

619
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:25,950
Unknown: One of the country's
most famous doctors is getting

620
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:27,780
some long awaited recognition.

621
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:32,820
John C Dvorak: Okay, what are
the most famous now you know who

622
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:33,600
this is? It

623
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,410
Adam Curry: can only be one of
two people can only be one of

624
00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:38,010
two people.

625
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,860
John C Dvorak: And this is this
over here. This is NPR so it's

626
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,760
very important. Yes. Okay, who
are the one? Who do you think it

627
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
might? Okay, I'll give you the
two. Are they?

628
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:51,750
Adam Curry: Okay? It's either
the truly most important doctor

629
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:56,820
in Oh, I'm sorry. There's four.
I'll give them to you in order

630
00:34:56,820 --> 00:35:02,760
of appearance one Dr. Peter
McCullough two Dr. Drew three,

631
00:35:02,910 --> 00:35:07,080
Dr. Fauci and for Dr. Bill
Jaiden

632
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:11,670
John C Dvorak: well, you're damn
close.

633
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,660
Adam Curry: Okay, all right. I
have two answers here apparently

634
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:16,860
which one do we play? You

635
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:19,140
John C Dvorak: play the number
one and which is the second one

636
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:19,800
just to follow

637
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Unknown: up getting some long
awaited recognition. I drink

638
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:29,490
Dr. Pepper and out of crowds Oh
no. Dr.

639
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:33,150
Pepper just surpassed Pepsi to
become the second most popular

640
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:36,630
carbonated beverage in America.
Coca Cola is still number one.

641
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:40,710
Coca Cola Classic has about 19%
of the carbonated soft drink

642
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:42,030
market in the US Dwayne

643
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:46,530
Stanford is the editor and
publisher of beverage digest.

644
00:35:46,590 --> 00:35:50,460
So then in second place, you got
Dr Pepper with an 8.3 Share,

645
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:50,730
which

646
00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:53,430
is now a carbonated bubble or
two ahead of Pepsi.

647
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,830
Dr. Pepper used to market itself
as the plucky underdog of soft

648
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:11,550
drinks, but it's actually older
than Coke or Pepsi. It was

649
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:14,850
invented in 1885 started

650
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:18,390
off as a regional brand in the
southwest and it grew over the

651
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:21,540
years and its major national
player

652
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:25,560
which Wayne Stanford credits to
Dr. Peppers targeted marketing.

653
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:26,220
They've gone

654
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:30,030
really big on college football.
On any given weekend during the

655
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:33,810
championship bowl series, you'll
see Dr. Pepper

656
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:40,050
girls football playoff trophy.
Dr. Pepper, the Greek gods

657
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,430
trophies classic.

658
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:46,680
This afternoon he also has a
strong presence on Tik Tok where

659
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,240
Dr. Pepper and pickles has
become a thing. Here's tic tock

660
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:52,800
her and a gray stems.

661
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:57,000
The pickles are in there I
invested pickle juice in there

662
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,730
for good measure. And here goes
the doctor Kripa

663
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:04,680
Adam Curry: not bad. All right.
I'm very disappointed in myself

664
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,560
for a number of reasons. One I
forgot to mention Dr. Johnny

665
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,770
fever as one of the most
important doctors in America to

666
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,970
every single no agenda show but
I consume a seven and a half

667
00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:19,950
fluid ounce can of Dr Pepper. If
that's why I knew it was

668
00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:24,270
established in 1885 Because it
says it right on the cam and it

669
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:32,730
has 23 of authentic blends of
flavors. Yes. Do you know Dr. Oz

670
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:33,480
is

671
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,160
John C Dvorak: a little more
What do you know

672
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,550
Adam Curry: the ingredients of a
Dr Pepper? No I do not

673
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,900
carbonated water high fructose
corn syrup. Oh it's got high

674
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,230
fructose corn residue and good
caramel caramel color.

675
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,910
Phosphoric acid natural and
artificial flavors sodium

676
00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:55,380
benzoate caffeine and is
produced under the authority of

677
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:59,190
Dr. Pepper seven up Inc Hall of
Fame label All right there you

678
00:37:59,190 --> 00:38:00,960
go Frisco Louis

679
00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:03,330
John C Dvorak: aside it's just a
little more foggy first of all

680
00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:07,500
this is a native ad Do you think
and I've been finding native ads

681
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:11,550
on NPR more often than not
interesting and they go out of

682
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:14,640
their way to promote one product
even though they mentioned the

683
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
competition they do a really
good job it makes it sound like

684
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,650
oh what an interesting story
they came

685
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:23,250
Adam Curry: through and Coca
Cola and they're just way

686
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:26,070
John C Dvorak: out to the store
without saying something but

687
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:29,190
they did this is like support
like news but it's not news it's

688
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:32,340
a native as somebody bought and
paid for this do the timing on

689
00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:36,150
it but I'm sure that length is
right on the money in some way.

690
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,780
And the other thing is as
interesting and they actually

691
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:46,260
sell this in a store in Marin
County but the when Dr. Pepper

692
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:53,130
was sold to seventh up the
original owners the family that

693
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:57,000
owns it we're allowed to
continue making the original Dr.

694
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,230
Pepper as Dr. Pibb it's still
called Dr. Pepper is has some

695
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:07,920
some differences on the label
and it's it tastes better and

696
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,460
this may was sugar and not
fructose corn syrup see of

697
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:17,220
course. And it's more expensive
by a lot. It's a little bitty

698
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:22,170
bottle and but it's good and if
you can and it's I think it is

699
00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:26,130
still be made in Texas in Waco.
Waco. Yeah, Waco is the OG so

700
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:28,380
you can look it up. You can
probably drink that so that crap

701
00:39:28,380 --> 00:39:29,190
you're drinking. Well,

702
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:31,740
Adam Curry: you're right because
it could give me a cardiac

703
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:32,310
arrest.

704
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:37,110
John C Dvorak: Any minute, so I
can go so if you want to finish

705
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:41,010
off the native add more details.
Here we go. Can't wait.

706
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,110
Unknown: It's weird, but it's
not bad.

707
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:46,680
That's a standard for you. We're
not bad. Dwayne Stanford says

708
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,010
Dr. Pepper has gained ground
also because of the choices by

709
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:52,830
the rival it just past Petzi

710
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:58,110
has invested more in their zero
sugar offerings and not as much

711
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:01,530
in Pepsi Cola. They believe
That's the future when it comes

712
00:40:01,530 --> 00:40:02,670
to carbonated soft drinks.

713
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:06,900
So Pepsi Cola is down Dr. Pepper
is Stanford anticipates Dr.

714
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,450
Pepper will stay in second
place. So cheers

715
00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:13,380
to Dr. Pepper. Okay, the
pickles. I know pickles. Yeah,

716
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:13,860
yeah.

717
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:20,730
Adam Curry: Wow. To be a pepper
to steal still in my head from

718
00:40:20,730 --> 00:40:24,600
when I was six years old
dynamite that's a good one

719
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,960
John's machine Those are good
for a jeep, Jeep. Wait until you

720
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,920
hear the tip of the day jingle.
But, you know, I know that the

721
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,760
tip of the day is is is a
runaway success because I'm

722
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:39,600
John C Dvorak: Brian always
unlike Yeah, I was running away

723
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:39,810
from

724
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:44,400
Adam Curry: unlike the good
news. I must have 20 Tip of the

725
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Day jingle. So people are liking
it. They liked the idea and

726
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,370
they're gonna have to wait until
they get their daily dose of

727
00:40:50,370 --> 00:40:59,130
tip. Just the tip. Just the tip.
Well, I know. I know. You say no

728
00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:02,160
one's going to know is your
season have revealed as crap

729
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,720
merited it. But

730
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,450
Unknown: yeah, but yeah, crap.
Yeah, yeah.

731
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:13,410
Adam Curry: But the Supreme
Court justices. That's really

732
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:18,510
coming to a head right now. By
why? Well, because of the

733
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:23,790
disclosure. You heard about the
disclosures? No. Oh, the

734
00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:24,630
disclosures

735
00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:27,570
Unknown: tonight Supreme Court
Justice Clarence Thomas, for the

736
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:31,530
first time is officially
disclosing a controversial 2019

737
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:35,250
trip to Bali with billionaire
Harlan Crowe. At the time Thomas

738
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,490
said the trips were a form of
personal hospitality that

739
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:42,360
justices did not have to report.
Now his disclosure report said

740
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600
the two trips had been
inadvertently omitted from his

741
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,470
2019 report. As for his
colleagues, Justice Catan g

742
00:41:49,470 --> 00:41:54,420
brown Jackson reported receiving
a $900,000 book advance plus for

743
00:41:54,420 --> 00:42:00,540
concert tickets were $3,700 from
pop superstar Beyonce. And just

744
00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:05,910
as Sonia Sotomayor disclosed
$86,000 In Book royalties, the

745
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:09,270
Supreme Court adopted a new code
of conduct last year, although

746
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:11,520
critics say there's no way to
enforce it.

747
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:13,560
Adam Curry: So this is really
interesting, because of course,

748
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:17,340
going after Clarence Thomas for
these trips that he took on on

749
00:42:17,340 --> 00:42:21,600
someone's private jet.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, Catan G

750
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:28,170
Jackson Browne gets a $900,000
advance on her book, and we all

751
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:31,740
know it will read and maybe you
can explain how book sales work

752
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:34,380
and how you get on the New York
Times bestseller list?

753
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:40,800
John C Dvorak: Well, I can. No,
I can't really explain how you

754
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,750
get the New York Times
bestseller list, even though

755
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:46,800
it's it tends to be just
reported sales for a short very,

756
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,760
very short time from from
certain booksellers. And then

757
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,970
it's extrapolated and made into
the book, the best sellers. This

758
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:57,990
is not a genuine reflection of
any sales whatsoever, because

759
00:42:57,990 --> 00:43:01,710
there's plenty of independent
booksellers that sell a lot of

760
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:03,780
books. And that never gets
reported in New York Times in

761
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:08,730
the first place. But that's what
I'm that. So that's something of

762
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:12,660
a promotion of public relations.
What I'm what I'm then what

763
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:15,600
Adam Curry: I'm nudging towards
is you have some friendly group,

764
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,600
buy up a whole slew of those
books and hand them out at

765
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,500
conferences.

766
00:43:19,830 --> 00:43:22,590
John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's very
common. In fact, I had this I

767
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:26,550
busted. I was writing for the
DEC professional and I did tell

768
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:31,620
them once, here we go. Is this
for this story? Yeah. So I'm at

769
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:34,890
the Media Lab, with their
mindset

770
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:37,530
Adam Curry: corporate MIT Media
Lab. Yes.

771
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:41,850
John C Dvorak: Oh, I got an
invite to go. Will Hearst asked

772
00:43:41,850 --> 00:43:46,980
me if I wanted to go to the as
as a group, part of the Hearst

773
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:50,520
Corporation and just hang out
with with the with the

774
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,360
corporation at the top guys and
him and

775
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,810
Adam Curry: I don't know Media
Lab. I don't think I don't know

776
00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:59,850
the story. I don't think I know
the story. You

777
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:02,820
John C Dvorak: should. Anyway,
so I would go to the Media Lab.

778
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:07,470
And it. Unlike reporters,
normally when you go to the

779
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,500
Media Lab, they always make you
sign a bunch of non disclosures.

780
00:44:10,650 --> 00:44:13,260
But because they were trying to
sell the Hearst Corporation on

781
00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:17,160
some project, there was no non
disclosures involved because of

782
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,620
just assume you're not going to
be talking about. Right, right.

783
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:24,270
And so they it's a frank Beneke
was there and Randy Hurst and

784
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:28,590
all these, it was just a bunch
of which I got the very funny

785
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:34,050
conversations I got to have, and
will and I and so we go in there

786
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:38,700
and take the whole tour. And I
get to hear the pitch from negra

787
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,630
Ponte, about how they've pre
sold the book on the Media Lab,

788
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:46,200
which will be written I believe,
by Stuart Brand. And he bragged

789
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,100
about how they're going to have
the marketing of this book, and

790
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:53,310
about how they're going to
priests. This sold the book on a

791
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:56,940
pre sale basis where you go in
there and say, Look, publisher,

792
00:44:57,330 --> 00:45:00,510
we're going to sell 50,000
copies of this book. right off

793
00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:03,780
the off the top, we're gonna buy
him back from you after they get

794
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,070
printed. It was all part of the
scheme to get you get become a

795
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:11,730
best seller and the holes and
you give the books away just

796
00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:15,600
what you said. Nice. And so
we're going we're going through

797
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:21,600
the. And they were showing us
all the crazy inventions they're

798
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,060
having. And every time we asked
about it, they're always every

799
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:28,500
invention seems to have been
invented in Japan or China. But

800
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,440
they're showing all this stuff.
But at the very end they would

801
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,760
happen was the final meeting
where they're going on about how

802
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,630
they should do this and that
with technology and diameter

803
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,810
folks aren't or the Hearst
Corporation folks aren't buying

804
00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:46,140
most of it. And then Martin
does. So there's a kicker they

805
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:47,850
bring in Marvin Minsky

806
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:49,800
Adam Curry: was Epstein with
him.

807
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:55,860
John C Dvorak: I don't know he
was. Marvin Minsky comes in, and

808
00:45:55,860 --> 00:46:02,520
he sits down and immediately
recognizes me. And he gets very

809
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,280
upset. And he's in he asked him,
What is this guy doing here?

810
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:11,280
Adam Curry: What is he doing
here? is

811
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:15,240
John C Dvorak: pretty much what
he said. Because I wasn't non

812
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,300
disclosed. I didn't have to do.
You're

813
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,310
Adam Curry: a hater. You're a
troublemaker, you're

814
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:21,090
Unknown: either all

815
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,790
John C Dvorak: and they kicked,
they kicked me out. First and I

816
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:30,240
both love Edwin and I both left
because we was over anyway, so I

817
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,520
already got what I needed. So
later in this story. I wrote

818
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,390
this up in a deck professional
column, calling out the media

819
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:39,870
laugh now.

820
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:44,370
Adam Curry: Bars deck Digital
Equipment Corporation

821
00:46:44,370 --> 00:46:47,700
John C Dvorak: right ahead of
magazine. I was inside I had the

822
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:49,590
back cover. So I wrote this
thing up and it was very

823
00:46:49,590 --> 00:46:51,870
critical, the whole operation.
That's

824
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:55,560
Adam Curry: why they want it you
know, no wonder it

825
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,740
John C Dvorak: took like about
three months before all of a

826
00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:07,170
sudden. But Negroponte was one
of the primary publishers kind

827
00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:10,320
of a publish on or what he
really did there but of Wired

828
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,040
magazine. So they immediately
did a hit piece on me.

829
00:47:14,730 --> 00:47:17,130
Adam Curry: How can you do it?
What is there to hit on you?

830
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:18,540
That's the point.

831
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:21,990
John C Dvorak: So they sent one
of their top hit piece writers

832
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,660
Paulina bursts bore Sook. He's

833
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:27,000
Adam Curry: got an old Lexus.
He's no good. I mean, what can

834
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,950
you do? He likes noise they have

835
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:31,470
John C Dvorak: so they sent her
after me and it was like and

836
00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:33,480
first thing I did is I did a
little background she was a

837
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,140
vegetarian vegan. So I took her
out to dinner at greens in San

838
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:40,350
Francisco and got to know her.
She could not come up with

839
00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:44,220
anything the hit piece became a
kind of a bio of me and wired

840
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:49,770
look it up it's around and it's
so weak and it's like they

841
00:47:49,770 --> 00:47:52,530
couldn't do it because I'm not a
hittable. I don't really I'm not

842
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:55,500
an interesting guy. No one has
been around the block

843
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,220
Adam Curry: boring just for
title a potential show title

844
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:04,680
will and I like that. That

845
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,320
John C Dvorak: Oh, anyways, why?
Just because I know I know a few

846
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,100
people that's for sure. But so
that so that whole thing was a

847
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,770
fiasco. And it was like and
that's the way it's done is

848
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:17,070
phony. I got a boots on the
ground make a long story long.

849
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:17,370
Yeah.

850
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,410
Adam Curry: Well, hold on. We
got boots on the ground from our

851
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:22,770
producer in South Dakota. This
is exactly how Kristi Noem gets

852
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:26,130
her books on the New York Times
bestseller list. Her campaign

853
00:48:26,130 --> 00:48:28,890
gives money to right wing groups
to buy them up and give them

854
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:32,160
away to donors. Yeah, that's
what you do.

855
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,980
John C Dvorak: That's what you
do is a good way to go. And it

856
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,150
doesn't make any money.

857
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:37,830
Adam Curry: And it helps me put
them there that you know, you

858
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:40,920
shot your dog that helps. I
mean, it's a little better than

859
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,890
I got kicked out of MIT, to be
honest.

860
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,950
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I didn't
shoot a dog.

861
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:51,810
Adam Curry: Bad events back to
the Supreme Court and their book

862
00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:54,000
deals and their and their gifts

863
00:48:54,030 --> 00:48:56,100
Unknown: and justices are
allowed to have some outside

864
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,550
income, but most of their
outside income is capped around

865
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:06,510
$30,000. Except you do not have
to have a limit on book

866
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,660
royalties and fees. So these
justices who signed these

867
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:13,020
multimillion dollar contracts
are not subject to any cap and

868
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:15,750
they can make as much as they
can from these book deals,

869
00:49:15,780 --> 00:49:20,160
Adam Curry: which is clearly
it's that's just as evil

870
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,070
according to the information
we've just gleaned from you,

871
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:24,090
because you will

872
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:25,980
John C Dvorak: die that but
these book deals and you see it

873
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:28,410
all the time with somebody get
you they quit office and the

874
00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:30,690
next thing you know they get a
million dollar book deal.

875
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:33,420
They're not selling a million
dollars with the books based on

876
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:37,170
royalties. These deals are
corrupt. The idea is don't

877
00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:39,300
worry. Once you get out of
office, we'll make it up to you

878
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:43,020
and somebody I don't know how
this works behind the scenes,

879
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:47,280
but somebody's giving somebody a
lot of money to it's money

880
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,330
laundering, is what it is. The
publisher gets a bunch of money

881
00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:54,270
and gives it to the Hillary
Clinton let's say or somebody

882
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:56,670
saying you actually sell a few
books, but most of these people

883
00:49:56,670 --> 00:50:01,410
can't. And next thing you know,
it's like Religion, you were in

884
00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:05,010
office it is to favorites like
people get jobs after the fact

885
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,530
Adam Curry: you had made a
Supreme Court ruling. We're

886
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:10,830
gonna make sure we give you you
get a nice fat advance on your

887
00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:15,390
book and we'll buy it all back.
It's just as corrupt if not much

888
00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:20,760
more, but no, Clarence Thomas.
Got to go after him. Now MSNBC,

889
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:25,980
your boy, I shouldn't say that.
Racist of me, Jonathan Capehart

890
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:31,050
took a little different. I don't
know why I said that. Jonathan

891
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:35,850
Capehart. They came out with a
little different take and went

892
00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:38,430
straight to Trump where it all
really belongs. So that's part

893
00:50:38,430 --> 00:50:41,940
of what this is about. Here's
the intro into his guest.

894
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:46,410
Unknown: Supreme Court Justice
Clarence Thomas has finally

895
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:49,290
acknowledged the luxury getaways
he accepted as gifts from a

896
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:52,710
Republican billionaire. Justice
Thomas updated his financial

897
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:55,560
disclosure forms yesterday to
include two trips he took in

898
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,060
2019 with mega donor harlyn CRO
mega donor le didn't provide $1

899
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:03,840
value for the vacations with CRO
pro publica estimated they were

900
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,730
worth more than 500,000 bucks.
Justice Thomas's friendship with

901
00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:10,680
CRO has fueled serious concerns,
by

902
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,450
Adam Curry: the way that some
vacation 500,000 I mean, that

903
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:15,660
must

904
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:18,240
John C Dvorak: I'm not buying
just a couple of things. I don't

905
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,010
buy that number. But the other
thing is, so what is unless you

906
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:25,890
can do the following and they're
not doing it. Yeah. can watch

907
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:31,680
him connect him. What is the
connection between Pro and and

908
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,210
Justice Thomas that would be
debt. That's corrupt. I mean, it

909
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:40,320
was Was there one specific thing
that Tom has ruled on his theory

910
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,850
is only one of a few I

911
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:46,140
Adam Curry: find out? Maybe
Maybe we can find out.

912
00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:48,570
Unknown: Justice Thomas's
friendship with crow has fueled

913
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:52,230
serious concerns about
partisanship concerns on the

914
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:54,930
High Court, especially with the
consequential

915
00:51:54,930 --> 00:51:58,980
John C Dvorak: clearly weighed
concerns about partisanship.

916
00:51:59,370 --> 00:52:02,970
Adam Curry: Yes, you can't be
you can't be partisan.

917
00:52:05,550 --> 00:52:09,270
John C Dvorak: So I'm concerned
about your partisan ship. That's

918
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:09,660
Adam Curry: correct.

919
00:52:09,870 --> 00:52:11,070
John C Dvorak: What does that
even mean?

920
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:13,470
Adam Curry: Well, it means that
you're you're in it in the in

921
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:15,180
the tank for Trump Hello.

922
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:19,110
Unknown: The justices still have
to release more than two dozen

923
00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:21,870
decisions of the next three
weeks touching on several major

924
00:52:21,870 --> 00:52:26,250
issues from emergency abortion
access to Donald Trump's claim

925
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,500
of presidential immunity. And
then there's reason to fear the

926
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,650
worst from the court that
overturn Roe v. Wade. Recently,

927
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:37,950
Justice Sonia Sotomayor shared
this warning about the rulings

928
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:38,400
ahead.

929
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,420
There are days that I've come to
my office after an announcement

930
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:50,850
of a case and closed my door and
cried. There have been those

931
00:52:50,850 --> 00:52:55,920
things and they're likely to be
more and there are moments than

932
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,820
Yes, even I feel desperation or

933
00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:03,450
John C Dvorak: despair. Okay.
This I want to give you a kudos

934
00:53:03,450 --> 00:53:07,020
for this because I knew about
this, per saying that I've never

935
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:09,240
heard a clip of it. I wish

936
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,930
Adam Curry: I could take it that
goes completely to the clip

937
00:53:12,930 --> 00:53:17,610
custodian today. And he's, he's
already busy.

938
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:21,540
Unknown: Joining me now Ian mill
Heiser senior correspondent for

939
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:23,940
Vox where he focuses on the
Supreme Court and the

940
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:27,120
Constitution. He's also the
author of the agenda. The

941
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:31,020
Republican Supreme Court is
reshaping America II Thank you

942
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:33,930
very much for coming to the
Saturday show. I like yeah, I

943
00:53:33,930 --> 00:53:36,330
want to get a little time that
we have. All right.

944
00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:38,790
Adam Curry: So a lot of cases in
the little amount of time, let's

945
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:40,680
guess what could it be about
first,

946
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:43,080
Unknown: there is Trump versus
United States. This isn't

947
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,690
running presidential immunity.
How do we think that's gonna go?

948
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:48,630
I mean, I think Trump's already
won this case, like, what the

949
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:50,850
court is probably going to do is
they're gonna say President

950
00:53:50,850 --> 00:53:54,450
sometimes have immunity and send
the case back back down to lower

951
00:53:54,450 --> 00:53:57,510
court to figure out if Trump
does in this case, but none of

952
00:53:57,510 --> 00:54:00,600
that matters. Like the the issue
is, are we going to have a trial

953
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,720
before the election, and they've
already run out the clock so

954
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,090
much that I think that the
answer is going to be now. All

955
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:06,420
right.

956
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:09,870
Adam Curry: So there's two right
one, let's go to Fisher Fisher

957
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:11,910
Unknown: versus the United
States. This is whether January

958
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:15,300
6 participants, including Trump
can be charged with obstruction

959
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:18,270
of an official proceeding. How
do we think are they gonna? Are

960
00:54:18,270 --> 00:54:21,960
they gonna throw out these
charges? I was very surprised at

961
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,230
how the oral argument while
there have been like 16 judges

962
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:28,350
who have heard this claim, and
only two of them have said that

963
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:31,320
the statute should be read
narrowly. So these January six

964
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,320
defendants essentially get off.
Now we're talking about there's

965
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,500
about 1200 January six
defendants, including Donald

966
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:41,160
Trump, and only about 300 of
them have been charged under the

967
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,740
statute at issue here. So it's
not like it's going to be

968
00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:46,710
blanket immunity for January 6
defendants but we're still

969
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:49,080
talking about a good chunk of
people who participate in the

970
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,820
insurrection, lock

971
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:53,880
Adam Curry: up the praying
grannies. So yes, erection

972
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:57,270
doesn't seem like much happening
there. Let's get to the case

973
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:59,250
that we're also concerned about

974
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,770
Unknown: the next one. In a
couple of cases have to do with

975
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,760
abortion, the myth of prestone
case? Yeah. How do you think the

976
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,120
justices are going to rule on
that? So that is, you know, of

977
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,150
the two abortion cases. That's
the one I'm most optimistic

978
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:14,640
about. I think that they'll
leave it alone, they'll leave

979
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,790
access to myth. And that's
correct. I mean, almost half of

980
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:20,670
more than half of abortions in
the United States are performed

981
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:23,370
with Miffy per stone. And I
think they realized that if they

982
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:26,400
accept the lower courts
reasoning to ban it, so many

983
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,190
other drugs will be banned. But
these guys don't like abortion,

984
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:32,820
but they don't want to ban
antibiotics. All right. And so

985
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:35,550
that's the good news on abortion
there. Thank you. Thank you for

986
00:55:35,550 --> 00:55:40,710
the hope. Neither of us have a
vagina. But hopefully, and this

987
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:44,580
is what moil versus the United
States, like women. Hi, this is

988
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:48,600
whether federal law regulating
hospitals, Trump's local

989
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,750
abortion bans when it comes to
performing emergency abortions,

990
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:55,860
I think the court is going to do
what I mean, I'm worried about

991
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:58,020
this case. So there's a federal
law that doesn't refer

992
00:55:58,020 --> 00:56:00,600
specifically to abortions, but
it says if you go to an

993
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,230
emergency room, and you have a
medical emergency, they have to

994
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:07,830
stabilize your health condition.
And so if the appropriate

995
00:56:07,830 --> 00:56:11,760
treatment is an abortion, the
law right now says that you have

996
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,000
a right to an abortion. I think
based on the oral argument,

997
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,300
they're likely to write that out
of the statute, or at least put

998
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,630
some kind of limits on it so
that people who need life saving

999
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:24,630
or health saving abortions won't
be able to get them anymore.

1000
00:56:25,020 --> 00:56:25,500
Okay.

1001
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:28,350
Adam Curry: Who cares? All
right, kill babies. Good news,

1002
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:32,040
everybody. But here it is the
one we've all been waiting for

1003
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:35,520
the real deal, it all comes down
to this cording to your no

1004
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,720
agenda show. And now,

1005
00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:41,520
Unknown: here's a case that I
don't think a lot of people even

1006
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,490
know about, and this is
euphemistically known as the

1007
00:56:44,490 --> 00:56:47,400
chevron bias. And this is one
whether to overturn the

1008
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,220
Adam Curry: the chevron Chevron
case, he said,

1009
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:52,740
John C Dvorak: but he means I
says Chevron, now he means

1010
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:54,510
Chevron, Chevron, Chevron
deference.

1011
00:56:54,510 --> 00:56:57,330
Unknown: Yes. The Chevron guys,
and this is one whether they

1012
00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:01,740
said Right, right. I don't know.
They say Chevron, right, the

1013
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:03,630
chevron guys, and this is now

1014
00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:05,670
Adam Curry: the other guy says
in the middle says right, this

1015
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,920
is to know whether

1016
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,530
Unknown: to overturn the
landmark Supreme Court ruling in

1017
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,460
1984, Chevron case that gave
federal agencies leeway to

1018
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:18,000
interpret the law. Right. Sounds
right. Right. And that explain

1019
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,870
why this, this is so dry. And
yes, the most important case

1020
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:24,450
decision to come down from the
Supreme. This is both the most

1021
00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:27,210
hyper technical, like even
lawyers to have trouble

1022
00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:29,010
understanding a case, but also
the most

1023
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:31,530
Adam Curry: podcasters seem to
get it.

1024
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,170
John C Dvorak: For some reason
lawyers have no trouble

1025
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,850
understanding this. Yeah.

1026
00:57:35,850 --> 00:57:38,760
Adam Curry: But this is meant to
obfuscate and to confuse people.

1027
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:42,510
Don't listen to this. People
don't listen to this part, you

1028
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:45,750
don't need to know about the
chevron rights thing. What isn't

1029
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:48,600
that important? Don't just get
rid of the black guy. So

1030
00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:52,440
Unknown: there are just scads of
federal laws that delegate power

1031
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,860
to a federal agency, you know,
everything from like how much

1032
00:57:55,980 --> 00:57:59,280
emissions come from power plants
to what your cable rates are to

1033
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,090
who gets overtime pay is
controlled by federal agencies.

1034
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,180
Chevron was a case from the
Reagan era, which said that

1035
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:09,150
courts should generally let
agencies do what they need to do

1036
00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:12,330
and defer to them. What the
court is likely to do here is

1037
00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:15,630
essentially give itself a veto
power over everything the

1038
00:58:15,630 --> 00:58:20,550
agencies do. So it's not just a
transfer of power. And it's a

1039
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:24,450
huge transfer of power from the
Democratic Biden administration

1040
00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:27,510
to a Supreme Court as a six to
three Republican majority. And

1041
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:30,840
with that have, to your point
about, you know, regulating

1042
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:36,330
antibiotics that would give them
purview over the FDA. Right,

1043
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,840
Brian Shirley. Right, it is
different. The FDA has its own

1044
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,260
statute, which is different than
the regulatory regime that

1045
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:46,410
concerns Chevron. But what we've
seen from the Supreme Court

1046
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:49,230
overall, they've been making up
all these things with names like

1047
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:52,890
the major questions doctrine
that they've made up, yeah, that

1048
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:56,220
lets them interfere with
agencies. So like, this court

1049
00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:58,290
wants to have the last word on a
lot of things. Okay,

1050
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,930
Adam Curry: so they've made it
all about, oh, if Trump comes

1051
00:59:00,930 --> 00:59:03,870
in, then you won't be able to
get your abortion drug. That's

1052
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:04,290
literally,

1053
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:08,400
John C Dvorak: I gotta get out
of the way here. It's not so the

1054
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,580
courts can do to say, Oh, we
don't like what you're doing.

1055
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:14,550
And you see, we got six
conservatives, we're going to

1056
00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:17,550
change. This is to throw it back
to the word belongs the

1057
00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:22,140
lawmaking supposed to take place
by the legislative branch, not

1058
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:25,590
the courts, not the executive,
which is the administrative

1059
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:28,920
state. It's supposed to be the
legislative branch. And what

1060
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,910
this Chevron deference cases
supposed to do is kick it back

1061
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,280
and make it so the legislature
takes a little more

1062
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,610
responsibility for all these
crazy rules that these guys

1063
00:59:38,610 --> 00:59:43,110
dream up because they hate
global warming, or whatever. And

1064
00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:48,900
so this is a very, this is a
very, I would say, dishonest

1065
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,690
report that you're listening to.
Interestingly,

1066
00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:54,900
Adam Curry: Katie Fang from
MSNBC had little problem

1067
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,630
explaining it in 37 seconds.
Chevron

1068
00:59:57,630 --> 01:00:00,600
Unknown: deference is a 40 year
old precedent. more federal

1069
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,740
judges grant federal agencies
latitude on how to interpret

1070
01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:09,000
legislative statutes. Judges are
supposed to follow a two part

1071
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,050
process, one, examine the
congressional language. And if

1072
01:00:13,050 --> 01:00:17,340
the intent is clear, the matter
is settled. But two, if the

1073
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:21,030
language is ambiguous, and the
ruling court must defer to that

1074
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:26,760
agency on how the law should be
implemented, essentially, ask

1075
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,060
the experts and without the
Chevron deference doctrine in

1076
01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:33,690
place, everything and I mean,
everything in your life could be

1077
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:34,260
affected.

1078
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:39,090
Adam Curry: And now the kicker,
so everyone's going after

1079
01:00:39,090 --> 01:00:45,840
Clarence Thomas, the real
problem guy is Gorsuch. This is

1080
01:00:45,870 --> 01:00:51,210
a clip from his confirmation
hearing, where he discusses this

1081
01:00:51,210 --> 01:00:53,850
quite clearly, section 706

1082
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,120
Unknown: of the Administrative
Procedures Act says basically

1083
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,350
two things and I'm paraphrasing.
It says the courts are supposed

1084
01:01:01,350 --> 01:01:06,720
to defer to the factual findings
of agencies. So the extent

1085
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,570
you're talking about expert
biologists, chemists, whatever

1086
01:01:12,570 --> 01:01:18,210
manner of regulatory expertise
we're talking about there. The

1087
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:23,190
courts are to defer to that. And
to take that seriously. And we

1088
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:28,110
do, just as we would save the
factual finding of a jury, or a

1089
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:31,500
district court judge, that comes
to us with a presumption of

1090
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:35,040
correctness, clear error,
standard review, very hard to

1091
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,300
meet. Section 706, however, also
goes on to say that when it

1092
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:42,870
comes to questions of law, the
courts are to interpret the law.

1093
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:53,220
Despite that command from this
body. The courts have created a

1094
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:58,140
doctrine that says that if
there's any ambiguity in the

1095
01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:03,480
law, the agency gets to make the
decision about what the law

1096
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:09,180
means. And I have questions
about that. That doctrine, I've

1097
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:12,030
raised questions about whether
that's compatible with the plain

1098
01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:14,010
language of section 706.

1099
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:18,090
Adam Curry: I'd say crosshairs
on Gorsuch next, they got to do

1100
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:18,300
he

1101
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,480
John C Dvorak: had already a
target. Now, the thing that

1102
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,810
people need to be reminded of is
before I think it was 84, when

1103
01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:29,070
the Chevron deference became a
became the root the law of the

1104
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:32,760
land, kind of you want to call
it that, or the law of the land

1105
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,800
and lawless. What had what was
going on before 1984. This

1106
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,350
administrative the
administrative state was still

1107
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:44,250
there, but it wasn't running
roughshod over the US public,

1108
01:02:45,210 --> 01:02:48,480
which is doing now by Oh, you
have to have all electric cars,

1109
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,610
or else that's only recent. I
mean, before 1984 there was I

1110
01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:58,590
was working in a administrative
agency for free for years. And

1111
01:02:58,590 --> 01:03:02,070
it was before 1984. And they had
all their kangaroo court they

1112
01:03:02,070 --> 01:03:04,980
did the whole thing is pretty
much the same. Except it wasn't

1113
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:09,660
riding roughshod over the public
like it's been doing since night

1114
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:12,570
since the Chevron deference came
into being and it took them a

1115
01:03:12,570 --> 01:03:15,690
while to figure it out. But
these bureaucrats it took them a

1116
01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:17,610
while. But they said once they
figured out, hey, you know, we

1117
01:03:17,610 --> 01:03:22,200
can do what we want, which is
Dream stuff up who do this and

1118
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,360
that it will base it on
whatever, it doesn't make any

1119
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,870
difference because we have we
run the shop. And so this is

1120
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:29,850
what's happened in this has to
be reversed.

1121
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:33,540
Adam Curry: And it appears that
people in the know actually

1122
01:03:33,540 --> 01:03:35,880
understand this is what it's
about. It's not even about

1123
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:36,330
Trump,

1124
01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:40,590
John C Dvorak: but hardly about
Trump now. But that's the joke

1125
01:03:40,590 --> 01:03:43,950
of it. You bring Trump and then
Trump doesn't even I doubt Trump

1126
01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:47,880
even has a clue about any of
this. To be honest about it. I

1127
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,100
don't know he might do it.
Anyone who put who put that day,

1128
01:03:53,310 --> 01:03:59,370
John Bolton in his cabinet or in
his fear of influence? No shit.

1129
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:59,910
Well,

1130
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,410
Adam Curry: I watched you know,
I watched last night, the the

1131
01:04:04,410 --> 01:04:09,660
two hour interview of Tucker
with Thomas Massie. Have you

1132
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:11,160
seen this by any chance?

1133
01:04:11,370 --> 01:04:14,100
John C Dvorak: No, I have not
and probably never will. It is

1134
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,150
required

1135
01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:20,940
Adam Curry: watching this guy
is. He's funny. He's very smart.

1136
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:25,050
I didn't know that he had he has
30 patents on virtual reality,

1137
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:29,100
3d objects that I think he sold
to a lot of Silicon Valley

1138
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:33,210
companies. You know, this
hillbilly, who created this.

1139
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:38,400
This is a very interesting guy.
And he even talks about how the

1140
01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:42,330
bid during COVID He jumped in
his car and drove eight hours to

1141
01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:45,870
show up for the vote for the
Cares Act to stop at the to $2

1142
01:04:45,870 --> 01:04:50,190
trillion because he's like, No,
this is this is not by unanimous

1143
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:53,100
consent. And of course the rules
are if one shows up, then that's

1144
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:57,150
not unanimous consent. And Trump
was calling him like, you know,

1145
01:04:57,150 --> 01:05:00,330
good and he just great
impressions of Trump and Have

1146
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,620
McConnell? I mean, he's just out
and out. John, you will love

1147
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:08,070
this interview. You will go
watch it then. And I pulled a

1148
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:12,750
couple clips for you. The first
one answers a very kind of

1149
01:05:12,750 --> 01:05:15,210
answers a very important
question we have about Mike

1150
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:20,250
Johnson. Why all of a sudden did
Mike Johnson spin around 180

1151
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:27,090
degrees and fold on all this
military aid and the what's the,

1152
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,830
you know, grab brushes money and
ban tick tock. We've been asking

1153
01:05:31,830 --> 01:05:33,600
ourselves this question. For
months,

1154
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:37,320
John C Dvorak: we had one answer
to the thesis that he did it to

1155
01:05:37,470 --> 01:05:38,610
stay in office.

1156
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:41,820
Adam Curry: Well, here's
Massey's answer. Well, one of

1157
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:42,330
the things

1158
01:05:42,330 --> 01:05:45,360
Unknown: he claims which I don't
believe is true, and I have

1159
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:50,250
reason to say this, is that he
says he went in the skiff, like

1160
01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:53,550
he's had some 180 degree turns
on some things like for

1161
01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:56,010
instance, whether you need a
warrant to spy on Americans

1162
01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:59,400
using the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act 702 program.

1163
01:05:59,670 --> 01:06:02,970
Well, he used to be on Judiciary
Committee, with me and Jim

1164
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:06,090
Jordan, trying to reform that
trying to get so he understood

1165
01:06:06,090 --> 01:06:08,850
what it was he knew completely
what we were talking about. He's

1166
01:06:08,850 --> 01:06:12,510
an attorney to write and he
knows the Constitution. He knows

1167
01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:16,260
this is required, but he claims
he spent time in a skiff and he

1168
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:20,280
learned a skiff that's secure,
compartmentalized Information

1169
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,790
Facility or something is where
we go we have to leave our

1170
01:06:23,790 --> 01:06:27,030
phones locked up, you know, no
staff in there. He claims he

1171
01:06:27,030 --> 01:06:29,940
spent time in skiff and learn
things that changed his mind.

1172
01:06:30,450 --> 01:06:35,580
Here's the problem. Tucker, I
was in the skiff with him. We

1173
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:41,370
had we had DNI not just the the
current DNI but the former DNI,

1174
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:48,450
John Radcliffe Trump's DNI. We
had CIA. We had FBI. We even had

1175
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,660
a FISA judge in there. And we
spent three and a half hours it

1176
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:54,870
was a four hour meeting and
after three and a half hour is

1177
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:58,560
basically a psyop where they're
just trying to beat you down and

1178
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,610
do the things. And I was like,
This is ridiculous. You get you

1179
01:07:02,610 --> 01:07:07,290
haven't given they didn't give
us one example of anytime ever

1180
01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:10,830
since FISA was created, that
getting a warrant would have

1181
01:07:10,830 --> 01:07:13,980
kept them from solving or
preventing an act of terrorism.

1182
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,860
They gave hypotheticals, but
they had no specific

1183
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:20,610
and I think FEIS has been in
place since 1978. Since the 70s.

1184
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:21,060
Right?

1185
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:23,160
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Yeah, I
forgot to mention this was about

1186
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:29,190
FISA. So they sigh opt him.
There's a little gotcha in there

1187
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:32,910
because he says it was a four
hour meeting. And he was in

1188
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:36,750
there with him for three and a
half hours. I'm thinking that

1189
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:39,720
last half hours when they said,
Hey, Mike, look at this picture.

1190
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:46,050
That's what I think. But then
Tucker does ask for what he

1191
01:07:46,050 --> 01:07:48,450
thinks the truth is. So what is
the truth? What

1192
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:49,770
Unknown: do you think changed?

1193
01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:56,370
I think he's kind of a lost ball
and tall weeds. They think he's

1194
01:07:56,370 --> 01:08:00,120
in a position of power. He never
imagined he would get to at this

1195
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,540
point in his life. He's not done
anything in private practice or

1196
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:08,520
political arena. This prepared
him for this. He took the job

1197
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:13,800
with a very small staff. He
didn't have people to put in all

1198
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,370
positions on the field. And he
had to accept a lot of

1199
01:08:18,150 --> 01:08:21,930
suggestions in areas he didn't
know a whole lot about, although

1200
01:08:21,930 --> 01:08:27,390
he gets no pass on FISA. Yes, he
gets no pass on Ukraine. Because

1201
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:29,790
he does, as you pointed out, he
doesn't even know how many

1202
01:08:29,850 --> 01:08:34,350
casualties have been incurred on
the Ukrainian side. If you need

1203
01:08:34,350 --> 01:08:37,890
He's the second person in line
for president after Kamala

1204
01:08:37,890 --> 01:08:42,960
Harris. This is This is scary to
me. He's He's basically getting

1205
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:43,980
moved around.

1206
01:08:44,639 --> 01:08:47,309
Adam Curry: And he was very
clear that he was all in with

1207
01:08:47,309 --> 01:08:49,649
Marjorie. He doesn't say
Marjorie Taylor Greene just

1208
01:08:49,649 --> 01:08:52,739
calls her Marge says, I'm all in
with March, we're gonna get rid

1209
01:08:52,739 --> 01:08:56,639
of him. We don't want him back
as Speaker of the House. Now,

1210
01:08:56,669 --> 01:09:00,089
there was a clip that went viral
from this interview, then when

1211
01:09:00,089 --> 01:09:03,749
you hear the viral clip, you'll
understand why, because there's

1212
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:07,379
a lot of people who've been
waiting for proof proof that

1213
01:09:07,379 --> 01:09:09,209
Israel runs our Congress.

1214
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:11,550
Unknown: Well, I have
Republicans who come to me on

1215
01:09:11,550 --> 01:09:16,080
the floor and say, I wish I
could vote with you today. Yours

1216
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,830
is the right vote. But I would
just take too much flack back

1217
01:09:19,830 --> 01:09:25,530
home. And I have Republicans who
come to me and say that's wrong.

1218
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:29,700
What AIPAC is doing to you. Let
me talk to my AIPAC person. By

1219
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:33,990
the way, everybody by me has an
APEC person like I mean, an APEC

1220
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:36,120
person. He's like your
babysitter, your APEC

1221
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,860
babysitter, who is always
talking to you for a pack,

1222
01:09:40,860 --> 01:09:44,910
they're probably a constituent
in your district. But they are

1223
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:49,800
you know, firmly embedded in a
pack and every member has

1224
01:09:49,830 --> 01:09:52,740
something like this. Every I
don't know how it works on the

1225
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:57,150
Democrat side. But that's how it
works on the Republican side.

1226
01:09:57,630 --> 01:10:00,480
And when they when they come to
DC you go have a lunch with

1227
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:03,780
them. And they've got your cell
number. And you have

1228
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:08,010
conversations with them. So I've
had like, that's absolutely

1229
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:11,490
crazy. I've had four members of
Congress say, I'll talk to my

1230
01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:17,040
APEC person. And if you watch,
we call them my bad guy. I'll

1231
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,670
talk to my APEC guy and see if I
can get him to, you know, dial

1232
01:10:20,670 --> 01:10:21,630
those ads back.

1233
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:24,270
Why have I never heard this
before? It

1234
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:27,330
doesn't benefit anybody. Why
would they want to tell their

1235
01:10:27,330 --> 01:10:31,380
constituents that they've
basically got a buddy system

1236
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:36,450
with somebody who's representing
a foreign country? It doesn't

1237
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:38,700
benefit the congressman for
people to know that so they're

1238
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:39,690
not going to tell you that.

1239
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:43,110
Adam Curry: So this of course,
this went viral because now

1240
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:46,170
everyone can say you see the
Jews run it. They run

1241
01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:49,650
everything. Israel runs America.
They've got guys, they've got

1242
01:10:49,650 --> 01:10:52,950
babysitters. It's, it's it's
proof. It's proof.

1243
01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:57,270
Unfortunately, it's taken out of
context, because when you watch

1244
01:10:57,270 --> 01:11:01,410
this interview, he explains very
clearly what's going on. But

1245
01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:04,650
first, a disclaimer and kind of
an understanding of AIPAC, of

1246
01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:08,790
course, the American Israeli
what is it? What is the

1247
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:11,070
political action committee? No,
no, no, no, they have a

1248
01:11:11,070 --> 01:11:14,640
political it's No, it's not.
That's what AIPAC is. No, no,

1249
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:20,520
they they didn't have one years
ago. AIPAC. The original AIPAC

1250
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:25,920
is the American but Israeli
public affairs committee.

1251
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,160
John C Dvorak: Okay. And get
there's a little issue here

1252
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,470
there. I want to bring up
because you saw this interview I

1253
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:36,180
didn't, which is that if there's
an AIPAC contact with your cell

1254
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:41,520
phone number, did John Tucker
bring up the Orsay? Is there a

1255
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:44,400
guy from the petroleum industry
that

1256
01:11:45,570 --> 01:11:48,270
Adam Curry: he did, actually, it
was very funny, I didn't clip

1257
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:52,380
it. He said, Hey, do you have a
Germany guy? Do you have an

1258
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:58,890
alien guy? No, no, he does.
Isn't that only only AIPAC. But

1259
01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:01,890
he says it's very, I think I
have the clip is very similar.

1260
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:05,910
It's very similar to the NRA who
are all about guns. Oh, you'll

1261
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:09,420
get to it. But first, the real
problem, because AIPAC, as we've

1262
01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:16,110
discussed, is funded by the AI
F, which is the American Israel

1263
01:12:16,110 --> 01:12:20,190
Education Foundation. And its
donors are Lockheed Martin,

1264
01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:23,220
north of Grumman and General
Atomics amongst others. So

1265
01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:26,730
here's Massey saying, This is
why he doesn't want to deal with

1266
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,550
with any any of these guys,
because this is who he is.

1267
01:12:29,580 --> 01:12:33,360
Unknown: I'm not against Israel.
I've never voted to sanction

1268
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,330
Israel. I've never said
anything, particularly, you

1269
01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:41,490
know, critical of Israel, you
know, other than, for instance,

1270
01:12:41,490 --> 01:12:43,830
right now, they're bombing,
they've killed 1% of the

1271
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:48,720
civilian population in Gaza.
That's concerning to me. But so

1272
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,070
what do they do now?

1273
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,560
You get elected 2012.

1274
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:58,080
Do you hear from them again? I
vote my conscience, which they

1275
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:02,820
won't tolerate. So they ran with
their 501 C four, before they

1276
01:13:02,820 --> 01:13:08,160
had a super PAC, they they were
running educational advocacy ads

1277
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,980
against me saying that, you
know, I'm bad on Israel. They

1278
01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:13,770
didn't say don't vote for him.
They just said he's, he's a bad

1279
01:13:13,770 --> 01:13:17,160
guy. And so I said, All right,
well, you're not welcome in my

1280
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,220
office anymore. Because for
years, I invited him into my

1281
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:23,550
office. Let's talk this through.
Let me explain to you, I'm a

1282
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:26,700
libertarian leaning Republican,
I'm gonna vote for foreign aid

1283
01:13:26,700 --> 01:13:30,030
for anybody. So don't be
offended when I don't vote for

1284
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:33,120
your foreign aid. I don't vote
for wars anywhere. So don't be

1285
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,080
offended if I tell you that I'm
for free speech, even if it's

1286
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:40,830
abhorrent. And yeah, we used to
talk but now they're banned from

1287
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:45,450
my office. The situation from
bad to worse, this election

1288
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:49,200
cycle, they spent $400,000
against me. So

1289
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,260
Adam Curry: the point he's
making is that they basically

1290
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:55,980
call him an anti Semite and a
Jew hater for not wanting to

1291
01:13:55,980 --> 01:13:59,160
talk to them. But here's the
real reason why. Now, to

1292
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,340
Unknown: your point, they should
be registered with Faraj, this

1293
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:05,610
is what Faraj is, is where
there's gray area, where it's an

1294
01:14:05,610 --> 01:14:09,330
American representing a foreign
country. Let's let's look and

1295
01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:12,120
see if you're getting any money
from that foreign country. Are

1296
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,110
you a dual citizen with that
foreign country? Are you being

1297
01:14:16,110 --> 01:14:20,160
directed by for instance, is
Netanyahu speaking to your group

1298
01:14:20,190 --> 01:14:24,360
advising you on your next move?
Those are you getting money from

1299
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,560
the military industrial complex?
Like because to understand

1300
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,080
AIPAC? I think it's easiest to
model them as a military

1301
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:39,750
industrial lobby. Like their
biggest thing is they want more

1302
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:43,380
equipment, more military
equipment from the United States

1303
01:14:43,410 --> 01:14:47,790
going to Israel. In fact, when
they used to be allowed in my

1304
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:50,970
office, the thing that the
argument that would make is, oh,

1305
01:14:50,970 --> 01:14:54,900
we're just stimulating the US
military industrial complex,

1306
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:59,460
because every single penny of
the 3.8 billion that they

1307
01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:02,070
nominally Get it now they're
getting way more than that. But

1308
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:06,960
Israel normally gets goes to US
military contractors.

1309
01:15:07,230 --> 01:15:10,050
Adam Curry: And this is what we
heard over and over again. So

1310
01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:13,110
now you can point out the people
who got a call from their AIPAC

1311
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:16,950
guy. Hey, man, make sure
everyone needs to know this is

1312
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:21,240
about our defense industrial
base. Of course, Israel. 3.8

1313
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,690
billion is nothing. But this is
where AIPAC shines.

1314
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,540
Unknown: Now, that didn't make
me warm and fuzzy. Okay. But

1315
01:15:27,540 --> 01:15:30,450
that is their argument. And if
you notice what they advocate

1316
01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:34,320
for, I think sometimes they
advocate for things that even

1317
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,160
Israelis wouldn't advocate for.
I believe that, like they would,

1318
01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,940
I think be okay with a war with
Iran, like all out, you know,

1319
01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:44,550
apocalyptic war with Iran,
whereas there are people in

1320
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:48,060
Israel say, Whoa, hold on a
second. We we'd rather not have

1321
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:51,150
a war with Iran. But AIPAC does
things that lead us in that

1322
01:15:51,150 --> 01:15:56,010
direction. And so they're kind
of like, what the NRA is to gun

1323
01:15:56,010 --> 01:16:00,300
owners, AIPAC is to Israel, or
what the Farm Bureau is to

1324
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:04,530
farmers, AIPAC is to Israel in
other presents a faction right.

1325
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:08,130
They represent a faction, but
usually a corporate faction,

1326
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,050
that and they're using the
imprimatur of grassroots that

1327
01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:17,790
they've diluted or confused into
bullying congressman,

1328
01:16:17,820 --> 01:16:21,810
Adam Curry: so the way I see it
is actually the exact opposite

1329
01:16:21,870 --> 01:16:26,610
the real money, which is in case
anyone missed it, $900 billion a

1330
01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:29,640
year or this most recent year,
more than that. Now, a trillion

1331
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,330
cool trillion total, since we
added some extra money. It's the

1332
01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:38,070
opposite. The defense industrial
base is abusing the Jews and the

1333
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:44,490
playing the Jew card, to force
people into signing off on

1334
01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:48,150
weaponry, especially if it's
against Iran. Hello, Lindsey

1335
01:16:48,150 --> 01:16:51,510
Graham. And it's worse because
then you take the Christians who

1336
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:54,840
are like, Oh, Jews, the chosen
people, let's get them in on the

1337
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:55,500
deal, too.

1338
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,400
Unknown: They didn't have a
political action committee at

1339
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,340
the time, they couldn't spend
hundreds of 1000s or millions of

1340
01:17:02,340 --> 01:17:05,610
dollars against me at that time.
It was just sort of like a

1341
01:17:05,610 --> 01:17:09,570
whisper campaign to try to Hey,
don't vote for him, blah, blah

1342
01:17:09,570 --> 01:17:13,950
blahs. Why? Because at that
point, they sensed I wouldn't do

1343
01:17:13,950 --> 01:17:15,150
what they want. And what did

1344
01:17:15,150 --> 01:17:16,320
they whisper against you? What

1345
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,230
were they saying about you?
Well, they would do it through

1346
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:22,830
for instance, churches,
evangelical churches, they've

1347
01:17:22,830 --> 01:17:25,860
got an organization called
Christians United for Israel,

1348
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:30,480
really sort of CO opted
evangelicals. People think it's

1349
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,330
a grassroots movement in
Kentucky. It's actually a top

1350
01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:37,470
down movement from AIPAC so that
people who aren't even Jewish

1351
01:17:37,650 --> 01:17:41,670
will feel like they've got to
support Israel, you know, no

1352
01:17:41,670 --> 01:17:45,060
matter what. And even if it's a
secular state that funds

1353
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:48,930
abortions, they just sort of
forget that part. And we've got

1354
01:17:48,930 --> 01:17:52,620
to fund Israel. So they have
networks. So it's more than just

1355
01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:53,400
about the money.

1356
01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:59,970
Adam Curry: And then just one
bonus clip, which is, which just

1357
01:17:59,970 --> 01:18:03,690
completes the whole circle about
Afghanistan and Russia and

1358
01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:05,310
Ukraine and Israel.

1359
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:07,320
Unknown: Why are we in a war
with Russia? I've never figured

1360
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,200
that out. Why Russia? It almost
seems like they picked it off.

1361
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:11,970
Like, why would we be at war
with Russia?

1362
01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:14,880
No. What's interesting is we
were in Afghanistan. And I was

1363
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,480
tracking this, I talked to the
Special Inspector General, John

1364
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:22,470
Sopko, about twice a year about
the money that was being wasted

1365
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:26,910
in Afghanistan, it was about $50
billion a year. And it was glad

1366
01:18:26,910 --> 01:18:29,460
to see us get out of
Afghanistan, but kind of like

1367
01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:32,160
feathering the clutch and
shifting gears, we just went

1368
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,800
from second gear to third gear,
because as soon as we quit

1369
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,370
spending $50 billion a year in
Afghanistan, we started spending

1370
01:18:38,370 --> 01:18:42,090
more than $50 billion a year in
Ukraine. There's a military

1371
01:18:42,090 --> 01:18:45,330
industrial complex, they call it
the defense industrial base. Now

1372
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,300
in the United States, they say
we have to, they're hungry, and

1373
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:50,610
we got to keep them fed. And
since we don't have any of our

1374
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:53,910
own wars, and we don't have a
reason to deplete our stocks,

1375
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:57,450
and our bombs, and weapons that
we have, we engage in these

1376
01:18:57,450 --> 01:19:00,180
other things to keep them
healthy and thriving. In fact,

1377
01:19:00,210 --> 01:19:03,630
the Biden administration even
made that argument in a letter

1378
01:19:03,630 --> 01:19:08,400
to Congress for why we should do
this supplemental foreign aid to

1379
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:13,800
Israel to Ukraine to Taiwan,
they made the argument that the

1380
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,650
defense industrial base needs to
be strong. And so we need to

1381
01:19:16,650 --> 01:19:19,440
spend this money and they gave a
list of all the states in the

1382
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,680
United States that would benefit
from this spending. And that's

1383
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:23,730
why they said we should do it.

1384
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:27,210
Adam Curry: And that's what
Trump does. That's exactly what

1385
01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:31,860
Trump was doing. That's the only
manufacturing we have the and

1386
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:35,880
Trump if I think Trump will come
in the he's going to figure out

1387
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,450
a way to get more money into
defense, but eventually, I mean,

1388
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:43,500
do we just start more wars in
Africa or I mean, you have to

1389
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:45,210
deplete the stuff to create
more.

1390
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,530
John C Dvorak: But that Africa
is a good target. Yeah, we

1391
01:19:49,530 --> 01:19:50,340
didn't notice this.

1392
01:19:51,300 --> 01:19:53,970
Adam Curry: Exactly. But then
unfortunately, we'll have to

1393
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:56,130
play African news which will
kill the show.

1394
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,200
John C Dvorak: No, we're not
gonna play African news. That's

1395
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,870
the idea. They're not going to
play Africa. The news so we can

1396
01:20:00,870 --> 01:20:03,540
waste money down there and they
want to kill the show. I thought

1397
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:08,310
did Trump coming in and maybe
auditing the Defense Department

1398
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:12,210
and see what, who's ripping us
off? We're spending too much

1399
01:20:12,210 --> 01:20:14,460
money for what we're getting for
the bang for the buck. I don't

1400
01:20:14,460 --> 01:20:17,820
care about throwing, wasting
bombs and all the rest of it

1401
01:20:17,820 --> 01:20:20,790
seems to me that there's some,
there's some hidden money here.

1402
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:22,260
It's like black energy.

1403
01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:27,270
Adam Curry: He's never even
hinted at doing that. I mean,

1404
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:30,840
the only thing I could think of
is Trump would come in and say,

1405
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,140
All right, you guys are all
wasteful. And we have enough

1406
01:20:34,170 --> 01:20:38,760
weaponry now. Boeing Why don't
you stop doing that dumb stuff

1407
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,030
with your, your strike fighter,
your joint fighter? Yeah. Why

1408
01:20:42,030 --> 01:20:46,560
don't you build a real plane?
One that I can fly in. And then

1409
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,770
you know, all these other
companies once you start

1410
01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:52,410
building good cars that people
want, I mean, that could be

1411
01:20:52,410 --> 01:20:53,160
something

1412
01:20:54,030 --> 01:20:56,370
John C Dvorak: that'll be the
day instead of

1413
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,250
Adam Curry: instead of tanks
build this car. I

1414
01:20:59,250 --> 01:21:02,040
John C Dvorak: mean, the trans
trend because it medical

1415
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,910
associated medical operations go
well, yeah, hell with that

1416
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:06,390
money.

1417
01:21:07,860 --> 01:21:10,740
Adam Curry: Well, anyway, I like
maths

1418
01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:13,050
John C Dvorak: sounds a good
yeah, we sounds a good guy.

1419
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,670
Adam Curry: Yeah. He's, he built
his own house, himself with wood

1420
01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:19,080
he collected on his land.

1421
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,560
John C Dvorak: I know that type

1422
01:21:22,590 --> 01:21:24,660
Adam Curry: the guy. The guy's
funny, he said, and he got a

1423
01:21:24,660 --> 01:21:28,200
Tesla battery to power it. And
he says it was crazy. I bought

1424
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,630
this Tesla battery and I had to
get special permission to

1425
01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:34,500
transport it because it's
considered a hazardous material.

1426
01:21:34,530 --> 01:21:37,680
John C Dvorak: It is totally yet
that strapped lithium bomb

1427
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,430
strapped onto

1428
01:21:38,430 --> 01:21:42,810
Adam Curry: your car. The guy's
funny. He's funny. Okay,

1429
01:21:42,810 --> 01:21:44,910
John C Dvorak: we will
definitely listen to him. Yes.

1430
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:48,360
Yes. He's under a lot. He is
under attack. Oh, he's part of

1431
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:52,050
the Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Yeah, this Cabal, very small

1432
01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:54,960
group is only maybe five or six
people. Yeah.

1433
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,570
Adam Curry: Well, he definitely
is, I think a no agenda type

1434
01:22:00,570 --> 01:22:03,240
guy. When you hear what he's how
he talks like, Yeah, makes a lot

1435
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:03,870
of sense.

1436
01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:08,280
John C Dvorak: Well, now I can
do a whole series of clips from

1437
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:14,610
Peter McCullough. Yes. Which is
a lot of subs because he was on

1438
01:22:14,610 --> 01:22:17,190
a show called The courageous
discourse.

1439
01:22:17,220 --> 01:22:20,250
Adam Curry: Is this a podcast?
Yeah. Oh, excellent.

1440
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,040
John C Dvorak: He's on a
podcast. And I just found this

1441
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:31,440
to be the series of very alt. He
names names, who's doing the bio

1442
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,810
weapon development. He's
Excellent.

1443
01:22:35,370 --> 01:22:38,070
Adam Curry: This is why there's
two of us, John, I'm watching

1444
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:41,940
Massey, you're watching makalah.
We come together on Sunday, Bada

1445
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:43,950
bing, bada boom, what a show we
got.

1446
01:22:45,180 --> 01:22:49,080
John C Dvorak: He names names,
he points the finger. He's very

1447
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,460
funny. He likes to laugh about
stuff. And he is so

1448
01:22:53,460 --> 01:22:57,600
knowledgeable. It's like
listening to him. You know, you

1449
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,540
know, that guy's on top. And
it's just amazing to me that

1450
01:23:00,540 --> 01:23:04,590
he's not like, you know, the
surgeon general or so he's he's

1451
01:23:04,590 --> 01:23:08,580
just pushed a little bit pushed.
You Can't a guy like this is so

1452
01:23:08,580 --> 01:23:12,270
powerful and is the intellectual
pursuits that you can't kick him

1453
01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:15,510
to the curb. And he'll just keep
cropping up here and there. And

1454
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:18,690
this is one of the best examples
I think. And it's about stuff

1455
01:23:18,690 --> 01:23:22,620
that you haven't heard and it
shouldn't. It should enrage the

1456
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:25,200
public this some of this is
going on but let's go with

1457
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:29,520
Macola on courageous A's on the
podcast courageous discourse is

1458
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,060
number one.

1459
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,480
Unknown: I want to have you on
particularly to talk about this

1460
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:35,070
disease X you know,

1461
01:23:35,130 --> 01:23:40,980
your disease access, not Twitter
disease. X is a theoretical

1462
01:23:40,980 --> 01:23:45,450
disease that that people in this
biopharmaceutical complex have

1463
01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:49,830
been writing about for years,
including Peter desiccate, the

1464
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:52,500
equal Health Alliance has been
writing I said Can't wait for

1465
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:57,180
disease X. It's going to infect
mankind, it's going to have a

1466
01:23:57,180 --> 01:24:02,400
high kill rate. So we're seeing
20 times that of COVID. The

1467
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,920
global vaccine Alliance disease
x is going to be bird flu. And I

1468
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:08,820
think they were right.

1469
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:12,600
Adam Curry: You're in my
backyard Dvorak.

1470
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:16,350
John C Dvorak: Yep. I tell you,
you get you get a kick out of

1471
01:24:16,350 --> 01:24:16,860
these clip. I

1472
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:19,710
Adam Curry: have my you have my
attention for sure. Because go

1473
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:21,150
John C Dvorak: to two, they've
been

1474
01:24:21,150 --> 01:24:23,250
Unknown: talking about bird flu
for years. I remember back

1475
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:26,820
during the Obama administration,
they would have these bird flu,

1476
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:30,570
sere campaigns in the media and
nothing ever really came of it.

1477
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,470
What is going on with bird flu,
has a lab finally hit the

1478
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:38,160
jackpot in terms of making it
very contagious for humans? Is

1479
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,360
that what we're talking about
here?

1480
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:43,980
There has been gain of function
research on bird flu for decades

1481
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:49,050
now researchers have been
working on this to doctors Dr.

1482
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,940
Merrick how that university was
constant Dr. Ron foo che at

1483
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:57,810
Rotterdam, the Netherlands.
They've been trying to make this

1484
01:24:57,810 --> 01:25:03,090
virus jump from human inhuman
for a decade or more, it's

1485
01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:06,840
nothing's been in the open more
than this bird flu infects

1486
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:10,860
chickens largely, sometimes cat
all the Chinese started

1487
01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:16,410
vaccinating for this back in the
90s. It's made it way worse. So

1488
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:20,460
now the birds spread it around
even more. The main method of

1489
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:23,910
handling it is kill all the
birds when one bird gets a bird

1490
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:26,880
flu kill the whole poultry
flock, I think that's been a

1491
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,670
disaster, they're going to have
to let the birds get some

1492
01:25:29,670 --> 01:25:34,440
natural immunity. We're talking
about highly pathogenic h five

1493
01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:39,060
and one avian influenza, also
known as bird flu, about 800 to

1494
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:43,500
900 human cases when it spreads
from the animal to the worker.

1495
01:25:43,950 --> 01:25:50,310
And historically, there's had a
52.7% mortality rate, largely

1496
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:53,040
because of people lots of
handling the birds Southeast

1497
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,570
Asia, no medical care presenting
late. The most recent outbreak,

1498
01:25:57,570 --> 01:26:02,040
we've had three human cases in
the United States, two of them

1499
01:26:02,070 --> 01:26:06,540
were pinkeye, one with some
respiratory symptoms all easily

1500
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:09,540
treated. So I don't think bird
flu is going to be much of a

1501
01:26:09,540 --> 01:26:12,540
human threat unless it starts
spreading human to human and if

1502
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:15,780
it does, believe me, we're gonna
kneel the gain of function guys

1503
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:19,320
who've been working on this. And
the southeastern poultry

1504
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,020
Research Center in Athens,
Georgia, we think that's where

1505
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:24,900
the most recent strain came out
of does.

1506
01:26:25,530 --> 01:26:28,230
Adam Curry: Dr. McCall at any
point mentioned that the birds

1507
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:28,950
aren't real

1508
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:35,040
Unknown: word you know what they
were doing? They were doing

1509
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:39,390
experiments in mallard ducks,
migratory waterfowl, what a

1510
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:43,350
mistake. One of those guys gets
out. They fly everywhere. You

1511
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:46,260
know, the media has not been
asking the question, why did it

1512
01:26:46,260 --> 01:26:51,570
spread from Texas to to Iowa to
Michigan managers happened

1513
01:26:51,570 --> 01:26:53,760
magic? They didn't ask the
question. They just think it

1514
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,020
spontaneously arising. No, it's
been spread by the ducks that

1515
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:59,160
are flying all over.

1516
01:26:59,550 --> 01:27:05,370
Wow. And do we have any recourse
to stop this or sue this lab for

1517
01:27:05,370 --> 01:27:10,170
spreading a migratory bird with
a novel disease? All

1518
01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:13,440
these experts are saying we have
to get ahead of nature. That's

1519
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:16,380
what disease X researchers that
we have to get ahead of nature.

1520
01:27:16,500 --> 01:27:20,160
We have to make it invade
humankind and then come up with

1521
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:25,260
vaccines. So disease X vaccines,
the Coalition for epidemic

1522
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:29,370
preparedness innovation as the
Global Center founded by Gates

1523
01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:33,150
Foundation World Economic Forum
gave an entire over 100 page

1524
01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:35,940
white paper on disease X. It
said the whole reason to study

1525
01:27:35,940 --> 01:27:39,960
disease X is to have a disease X
vaccine. Sure enough with bird

1526
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:46,470
flu CSLs Aquarius biotech
company has the Odense vaccine,

1527
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:53,010
it was FDA licensed in 2021.
With no human data, ready to go

1528
01:27:53,010 --> 01:27:57,030
for bird flu, they developed it
with BARDA, a research unit of

1529
01:27:57,030 --> 01:28:02,280
the military 2021. And now the
US has purchased, you know,

1530
01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:05,610
enough doses for millions of
administration's why would the

1531
01:28:05,610 --> 01:28:11,580
US military be developing a bird
flu vaccine? And why in 2021?

1532
01:28:11,580 --> 01:28:14,970
Now, news was out this week that
you know, Pfizer Maderna are

1533
01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:17,130
talking to the federal
government about messenger RNA

1534
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:21,690
vaccines. CSL has a self
replicating messenger RNA

1535
01:28:21,690 --> 01:28:25,920
vaccine and development Cepi
with the Koreans have a self

1536
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,320
replicating messenger RNA
vaccine. So

1537
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,550
Adam Curry: coming back to our
boots on the ground. I mean, the

1538
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:38,010
testing industrial complex must
just be salivating to by the

1539
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:41,550
way, you know how you test for
bird flu? I came across this

1540
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,870
last night via what the test is.
You swab your eye?

1541
01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:48,600
Unknown: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1542
01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:52,260
Adam Curry: If your nose wasn't
bad enough, where they jammed it

1543
01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:54,720
into your brain now they're
going to put a cotton swab in

1544
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,590
your eye to see if you have bird
flu. And we need to remind newer

1545
01:28:58,590 --> 01:29:02,700
listeners, Peter McCullough is
highly decorated. But this is a

1546
01:29:02,970 --> 01:29:05,550
they can't use undie platform
bubble now they're just not

1547
01:29:05,550 --> 01:29:08,580
putting them on mainstream news
anymore. But they can't get rid

1548
01:29:08,580 --> 01:29:12,270
of him because he has so many
podcasters say a big

1549
01:29:12,270 --> 01:29:14,280
John C Dvorak: threat that's
what it was what the clip we had

1550
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,820
recently where they claim that
podcasters were like the big

1551
01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:20,760
threat Yes. Again clearly
schemes yes

1552
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,970
Adam Curry: clearly clearly we
the podcasters are the problem

1553
01:29:24,540 --> 01:29:26,340
problematic podcasters

1554
01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:30,720
John C Dvorak: Yes, again,
because one of those guys enjoys

1555
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,710
talking that he does, but it's
like he has so much at the tip

1556
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:39,120
he's not using any notes at all
he never looks down and he just

1557
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,640
off the top of his head has
every all the stats and the

1558
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,300
right to the number the right to
the point something and he just

1559
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:48,540
goes on and on with this. He's
great. This is part four.

1560
01:29:48,660 --> 01:29:51,690
Unknown: I gotta tell you that
bird flu is disease x because

1561
01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:57,270
people have an aspiration of
mass vaccinating the world again

1562
01:29:57,660 --> 01:30:02,640
COVID Wasn't enough now it's
game on disease X bird flu, I

1563
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,820
Adam Curry: know how disease X
spreads, it spreads to the

1564
01:30:05,850 --> 01:30:06,540
internet.

1565
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,440
Unknown: So is this going to be
potentially more lethal than

1566
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:13,350
COVID? Or what? What is your
thoughts on this?

1567
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,430
So far? You know, it's early,
but the cases appear mild, it

1568
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:21,660
looks like this strain and what
we're tracking is h five n one

1569
01:30:21,690 --> 01:30:27,690
clade two point 3.44. B, we
actually got it down to the

1570
01:30:27,690 --> 01:30:31,440
clade n and the mutation that
came out of the Athens Georgia

1571
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,850
lab. This one luckily so far
appears to be very benign

1572
01:30:35,850 --> 01:30:39,450
pinkeye and something easily
treated with the you know,

1573
01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:43,320
iodine nasal sprays and gargles.
Also, Tim Avira, Tamiflu

1574
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,320
hydroxychloroquine, it's all
gonna cover it easily. So it

1575
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,390
doesn't appear to be very
dangerous to humans. The reason

1576
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:52,200
why it's dangerous to animals is
because they are incinerating

1577
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:55,170
all the animals instead of
letting them get through it.

1578
01:30:55,650 --> 01:30:58,590
Yeah, this is a mild version. I
think we ought to have some

1579
01:30:58,590 --> 01:31:02,790
observational studies to just
see what is the mortality rate

1580
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:07,050
in birds we can't destroy every
last chicken, because the

1581
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:10,920
mallard ducks are going to
continue to spread it around

1582
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,520
Adam Curry: it all. I love that.
The only danger to chickens is

1583
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:21,030
they're gonna get incinerated.
Man, it all fits together with

1584
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:24,180
the culture of lab chicken meat
and everything. It all kind of

1585
01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:27,360
fits together though, doesn't
it? It's a nice little puzzle

1586
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:31,320
they built here. And it's always
pretty well they benefit

1587
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:33,600
John C Dvorak: mallard duck
thing he's really on that he

1588
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,430
just thinks is horrible that
they would effect a duck. I

1589
01:31:38,430 --> 01:31:38,670
mean,

1590
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:41,790
Adam Curry: this even affects
reality TV shows what will Duck

1591
01:31:41,790 --> 01:31:43,770
Dynasty do? They'll be out of
business?

1592
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:47,100
John C Dvorak: I think they'd
been out of business. Now.

1593
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:47,250
They're

1594
01:31:47,250 --> 01:31:49,650
Adam Curry: pretty popular. My
man. pretty popular.

1595
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:54,000
John C Dvorak: I onward. Next I
think is we're under what four

1596
01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:55,140
by five? Five?

1597
01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:55,860
Adam Curry: Yeah. What about

1598
01:31:55,860 --> 01:31:58,260
Unknown: the I've heard of the
news, they've been saying that.

1599
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:03,240
They're concerned about the
virus being spread by the raw

1600
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,840
milk drinkers. The Count of
people that are drinking raw

1601
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,230
milk unpasteurized from cows are
the ones that are going to

1602
01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:13,470
spread the bird flu. How does
that narrative get started? And

1603
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,230
what's coming on? What's going
on with that? Yeah, I

1604
01:32:16,230 --> 01:32:19,290
doubt it. Most of it is going to
be through respiratory or

1605
01:32:19,290 --> 01:32:22,110
touching the cases of
conjunctivitis, invariably, the

1606
01:32:22,260 --> 01:32:26,640
workers handle the animals and
they touch their eyes. There's

1607
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:32,010
been a few tests of products in
the store where they find some

1608
01:32:32,010 --> 01:32:34,950
viral particles. And again,
they're doing PCR testing. So

1609
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:38,790
we're talking about grossly
inflated positive tests that are

1610
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:42,150
false positive tests, but even
what they found is not active in

1611
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:46,230
the grocery store. Now they're
kind of zeroing in on who drinks

1612
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:50,580
raw milk. I doubt that that's
going to be a route of spread it

1613
01:32:50,580 --> 01:32:54,540
largely it has to be airborne
and come in through the nose and

1614
01:32:54,540 --> 01:32:54,900
mouth a

1615
01:32:55,140 --> 01:32:58,440
Adam Curry: couple of articles
to backup this disease X hype

1616
01:32:58,470 --> 01:33:03,570
CNN with bird flu infecting
dairy cattle FDA is now asking

1617
01:33:03,570 --> 01:33:08,940
states to curb sales of raw
milk. From right here in the

1618
01:33:08,940 --> 01:33:13,110
backyard bird flu detected in
Austin wastewater who hair on

1619
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:19,350
fire has blue blue hair on fire
and stats sta T that's the

1620
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:23,400
medical shill publication that
we've discussed in the past they

1621
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:29,430
basically take money to write
articles. Allegedly, here's the

1622
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:34,350
title how co2 helps viruses stay
alive longer in the air. So the

1623
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:35,400
guy

1624
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,800
John C Dvorak: saw that article
that says hilarious so I was

1625
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,310
gonna put a newsletter actually,
we really Larry, we really

1626
01:33:41,310 --> 01:33:43,620
Adam Curry: got everything we
need. I mean, we've got the

1627
01:33:43,620 --> 01:33:48,390
climate change. We've got the
we've got the vegans we've got

1628
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:53,910
the lab meat, we've got the
vaccine industry we've got the

1629
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:57,780
testing industrial complex, I
mean it really is perfect.

1630
01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:01,530
John C Dvorak: We have a guy
another tester out there that

1631
01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:06,630
does the wastewater stuff and he
says you his bull crap. Bull

1632
01:34:06,630 --> 01:34:10,650
crap says you centrifuge
everything until you say there's

1633
01:34:10,650 --> 01:34:15,330
no really you just keep reducing
and reducing reducing and then

1634
01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:17,490
you can test that and there's
always going to be you can fight

1635
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,400
anything you want. The only in

1636
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,180
Adam Curry: there the only
problem in fact, the only person

1637
01:34:24,180 --> 01:34:28,260
who doesn't benefit from the
scam is Mimi. I mean too many

1638
01:34:28,260 --> 01:34:31,530
eggs.com is just it's going to
be a problem when there's no way

1639
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,110
that she could well no she can
write a follow up not enough

1640
01:34:34,110 --> 01:34:37,350
eggs, no eggs. No eggs.com

1641
01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:42,870
Unknown: six so what is being
done if anything just trying to

1642
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:45,270
stop her hold these people
accountable. It seems like the

1643
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:50,760
only politician you hear about
who still does these ongoing

1644
01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:54,210
about this matter and try to
hold people accountable is

1645
01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:56,910
Senator Rand Paul. I know
there's a few others too but

1646
01:34:57,420 --> 01:35:01,920
from your you're very much
involved. of this fight for

1647
01:35:03,270 --> 01:35:06,900
transparency and accountability.
What are you hearing in terms

1648
01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:09,840
of? Is there going to be any
accountability for the folks

1649
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,440
like Peter de Zack and Fauci
regarding this gain of function

1650
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:15,810
research that they've lied
about? It's

1651
01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:19,680
been slow progress, but credit
to Brad wenstrup Marjorie

1652
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,860
Taylor, green chip Roy and
others in the house, they

1653
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,980
they've been plodding through
this. They got to the point

1654
01:35:25,980 --> 01:35:29,760
where Datsik clearly is one of
the CO conspirators and one of

1655
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,480
the creators of SARS cov
Tussaud's Anthony Fauci, Ralph

1656
01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:37,980
Berek at UNC Chapel Hill and Dr.
shingling. Lee in China, for

1657
01:35:37,980 --> 01:35:41,670
people who created COVID that
got us sick. Fauci was

1658
01:35:41,670 --> 01:35:44,610
pretending the whole time that
he he was responding to this yet

1659
01:35:44,610 --> 01:35:48,870
he knew it was, he was part of
the creation of this, and it was

1660
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:51,060
all covered up. By the way,
that's the interesting that

1661
01:35:51,090 --> 01:35:55,080
emails show the cover up. The
recently had David morons in who

1662
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:59,280
is Fauci, he's assistant, and
they were using personal email

1663
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,130
accounts, you know, changing
characters and letters to try to

1664
01:36:02,130 --> 01:36:06,330
throw off the FOIA requests. I
mean, these guys knew what they

1665
01:36:06,330 --> 01:36:09,300
were doing was wrong. Me. They
created a virus, they got the

1666
01:36:09,300 --> 01:36:12,540
whole world sick, and then they
tried different vaccines on us.

1667
01:36:12,540 --> 01:36:12,900
So

1668
01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:15,870
Adam Curry: Oh, makalah. Man,
what is he doing as a guest on

1669
01:36:15,870 --> 01:36:18,300
podcast? He needs his own
podcast.

1670
01:36:20,190 --> 01:36:22,410
John C Dvorak: With his family,
he's got a foundation, which is

1671
01:36:22,410 --> 01:36:23,520
doing a lot of work.

1672
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:25,800
Adam Curry: Needs a better mic
is what he needs.

1673
01:36:27,060 --> 01:36:29,190
John C Dvorak: Yes, yeah, he
does. Well, he needs a

1674
01:36:29,610 --> 01:36:32,430
Adam Curry: better rig, he
needed to rig in his rig,

1675
01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:35,670
something he needs to be give me
a call Dr. McCall, I'll send you

1676
01:36:35,670 --> 01:36:37,800
a rig. This is embarrassing.

1677
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:40,560
John C Dvorak: So this anyway,
this interview went on for

1678
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:41,580
almost an hour and a half.

1679
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,580
Adam Curry: I mean, the seven
clips is a lot even for you.

1680
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,270
John C Dvorak: And you're very I
usually cut it I and so I kind

1681
01:36:48,270 --> 01:36:51,000
of moved into one little spot. I
wanted to just get this little

1682
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,630
last bit in there. And the rest
of it, people can go to the

1683
01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,350
discourse, podcast and listen to
the whole thing. If they want

1684
01:36:58,350 --> 01:37:00,990
to. I should send you the link
to the for the show notes. The

1685
01:37:00,990 --> 01:37:04,920
show notes. Yeah. And but I just
thought this little bit at the

1686
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,560
end here was was worthwhile. I
just pulled it out of

1687
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,530
Unknown: the blue. And you know,
and all the government agency

1688
01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:12,840
websites and National Security
Administration, for instance,

1689
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,710
says, Well, we think it came out
of nature, but with the low

1690
01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:20,760
probability, then they say, but
it's not a bio weapon. Well, why

1691
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:24,900
do they say that? Why do they
have to front that? It's because

1692
01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:29,160
in 1975, we actually have some
legislation saying that we can't

1693
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,610
be in the business of creating
biological weapons. And so they

1694
01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:36,450
tried to put that out there, but
it clearly it was a biological

1695
01:37:36,450 --> 01:37:40,860
threat. We all got sick from it.
There's a paper by Farkas in

1696
01:37:40,860 --> 01:37:43,770
military medicine that's
evaluated SARS cov tool along

1697
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:47,670
with three dozen criteria for
biological weapons and they've

1698
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:51,330
concluded you know, SARS, cov,
two meets criteria for this two

1699
01:37:51,330 --> 01:37:55,230
papers by Yen also show that so,
I mean, we have to ask the

1700
01:37:55,230 --> 01:37:58,590
question, was our government in
the business of creating

1701
01:37:58,590 --> 01:38:01,530
biological threats and then
creating countermeasures,

1702
01:38:01,650 --> 01:38:03,900
therapeutics and vaccines? What

1703
01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:06,090
Adam Curry: Of course they are
that's what you do you create a

1704
01:38:06,090 --> 01:38:08,970
biological threat and you have
to have the antidote so that

1705
01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:12,630
when you know when your guys get
it you can still be okay and go

1706
01:38:12,630 --> 01:38:12,960
in and

1707
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:15,150
John C Dvorak: Danny, but it's
illegal

1708
01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:20,370
Adam Curry: gambling going on
there. My goodness, of course,

1709
01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:25,890
it's illegal killing civilians
also illegal

1710
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,110
John C Dvorak: that so the point
is that he makes it with

1711
01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:31,530
throughout this thing is that
these guys conspire to create

1712
01:38:31,530 --> 01:38:36,810
the COVID to virus that kill
that anyone out there whose

1713
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:41,640
family member anybody died,
should really be outraged by by

1714
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:42,720
any of this.

1715
01:38:43,740 --> 01:38:46,200
Adam Curry: The many more to
come who will die suddenly.

1716
01:38:47,940 --> 01:38:49,890
John C Dvorak: And then the many
Brian and the people who just

1717
01:38:49,890 --> 01:38:52,800
kind of have been dropping dead
left and right as you brought

1718
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:57,150
out the early part of the show,
this should be outraged by this

1719
01:38:57,150 --> 01:38:59,550
and they should be outraged
about this lab in Georgia and

1720
01:38:59,550 --> 01:39:02,490
they should be outraged by the
North Carolina operation. They

1721
01:39:02,490 --> 01:39:05,310
should be outraged by all of it,
but nobody's outraged by any of

1722
01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:09,210
it. We're not even that
outraged. We're just like, Oh,

1723
01:39:09,210 --> 01:39:10,860
brother, there we go. Again.
They're

1724
01:39:10,860 --> 01:39:13,200
Adam Curry: either outraged
about the appeal to heaven flag

1725
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,710
or the trans flag. That's our
outrage. That's our level.

1726
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:22,860
Flags. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep.
Yep.

1727
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:25,650
John C Dvorak: What do we do in
the olden days? Oh,

1728
01:39:25,650 --> 01:39:26,310
Adam Curry: here we go.

1729
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:30,570
John C Dvorak: I think the
public would be with torches.

1730
01:39:31,110 --> 01:39:37,020
And Hangman's knots looses and
be Dino no burning down that no

1731
01:39:37,020 --> 01:39:39,390
July No. Mal, no, we're

1732
01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:43,050
Adam Curry: gonna post memes
we'll get I'm gonna post memes

1733
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:47,010
when a troll um, that's what we
do. We're weak. We've had good

1734
01:39:47,010 --> 01:39:50,280
times, it creates weak men.
We're about to go into tough

1735
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,800
times. We'll see what it creates
you and I'll sit back in our

1736
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:59,910
rocking chairs and laugh for
more years. And with that, I'd

1737
01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:05,760
like Thank you for your courage
and say what right just

1738
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,430
John C Dvorak: can't find my my
been cleaned up.

1739
01:40:09,809 --> 01:40:11,489
Adam Curry: Thank you for your
courage to say in the morning to

1740
01:40:11,489 --> 01:40:15,239
you the man who put the sea in
the courageous discourse, ladies

1741
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:17,369
and gentlemen say hello to my
friend on the other end the one

1742
01:40:17,369 --> 01:40:19,499
and only Mr. John Cena

1743
01:40:21,210 --> 01:40:23,010
John C Dvorak: in the morning to
you Mr. Adam curry in the

1744
01:40:23,010 --> 01:40:25,350
morning all ships to see boots
on the ground feet in the air

1745
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:27,870
subs in the water and all the
names and nights out there in

1746
01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:28,230
the morning

1747
01:40:28,230 --> 01:40:30,030
Adam Curry: to the trolls and
the troll room stop running.

1748
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,320
See, let me see. Now we are a
little late. We're a little

1749
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:41,190
later than, than usual. In fact,
we're about 40 minutes over time

1750
01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:44,520
for this break. But how could we
not just stop and wait for Dr.

1751
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,740
McCulloh? 2119 on the last
Thursday right now we're at 1989

1752
01:40:49,740 --> 01:40:52,620
So I call it a wash. I think
we're pretty good. I think the

1753
01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:56,790
trolls are pretty good. I think
the trolls are Hey, the trolls

1754
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:59,820
are hanging in there because it
was good. You know, and and

1755
01:40:59,820 --> 01:41:04,260
they're they're already they're
already you know, they're

1756
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:09,720
already teeing up their memes.
The teen up the memes. Yeah.

1757
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,410
Hey, man. That's what we do.
Make it all good. I think that

1758
01:41:13,410 --> 01:41:17,820
sounds pretty good. Good. There
you go. The trolls can be found

1759
01:41:17,820 --> 01:41:20,550
at troll room.io. And every
single Thursday and Sunday

1760
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:24,510
actually is 24 hours a day. The
no agenda stream runs and no

1761
01:41:24,510 --> 01:41:27,690
agenda chat room or as we call
it here, the troll room is wide

1762
01:41:27,690 --> 01:41:31,800
open. You can jump in anytime
troll room.io or use a modern

1763
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,560
podcast app where you get
alerted when we go live or any

1764
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,380
show that any podcast that you
follow. You subscribe to the

1765
01:41:37,380 --> 01:41:40,110
podcast, you'll get the update
90 seconds from the minute it's

1766
01:41:40,110 --> 01:41:43,410
published. And if the show goes
live, you also get an alert you

1767
01:41:43,410 --> 01:41:46,260
can tap right into the stream
and Listen Live. It's beautiful

1768
01:41:46,260 --> 01:41:48,960
how that works is so smart. And
it can't You can't be the

1769
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,950
platform for all this stuff. We
built it that way. That's why

1770
01:41:52,980 --> 01:41:56,430
the broadcaster's are
problematic you say because you

1771
01:41:56,430 --> 01:42:00,480
can't do platform them anymore.
As those two podcasts are making

1772
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:05,640
trouble for authors no good.
We'll be celebrating 17 years in

1773
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:11,610
October 17 years of value for
value. No, I was listening to

1774
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:15,120
home man. NPR did a whole thing
on Alex Jones. So you happen to

1775
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:16,050
catch any of that.

1776
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,140
John C Dvorak: That caught a
little bit of it there.

1777
01:42:19,230 --> 01:42:21,840
Definitely bloating. Yeah.

1778
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:23,700
Adam Curry: And in fact, when we
when we play one of these clips

1779
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:26,250
here as a bonus, Alex Jones

1780
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:30,360
Unknown: is one step closer to
paying the families who sued him

1781
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,120
for defamation and Perez Tobia
Smith has been following the

1782
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:34,290
story topia. Good morning.

1783
01:42:34,410 --> 01:42:35,010
Good morning.

1784
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,460
What does chapter seven
liquidation mean? Well,

1785
01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:40,890
it would basically mean that
there'd be a fire sale

1786
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,280
controlled but a swift sale of
everything from Jones's

1787
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:47,190
ownership in his company called
free speech systems to his

1788
01:42:47,190 --> 01:42:50,910
personal gun collection. And it
means the ball could get rolling

1789
01:42:50,910 --> 01:42:53,610
pretty quickly on at least some
payment for those Sandy Hook

1790
01:42:53,610 --> 01:42:56,910
families who won that defamation
suit. But the payment wouldn't

1791
01:42:56,910 --> 01:43:01,020
be anywhere close to what these
families are owed. Jones's

1792
01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:04,410
assets are estimated now at
about $10 million, which might

1793
01:43:04,410 --> 01:43:07,440
mean just around a couple
$100,000 for each of the

1794
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:11,220
plaintiffs, at least initially,
and I say initially because a

1795
01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:14,340
chapter seven trustee would have
authority to hunt down any

1796
01:43:14,340 --> 01:43:18,150
assets that Jones may have
hidden and this hunting license

1797
01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:21,810
as some call it would be a
forever thing because Jones's

1798
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:25,890
case unlike most bankruptcy
cases, where debts are washed

1799
01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:28,440
away and you could get a fresh
start. The judge ruled in

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01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:32,580
Jones's case that can happen
because his wrongdoing was

1801
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:35,340
intentional and malicious. So
bottom line, the families will

1802
01:43:35,340 --> 01:43:38,430
have a claim on Jones's future
earnings for the rest of his

1803
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:38,760
life.

1804
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:41,940
Adam Curry: This is why I'm so
happy. We never went the route

1805
01:43:41,940 --> 01:43:45,300
of a lot of these other guys and
made 10s of millions of dollars

1806
01:43:45,780 --> 01:43:48,240
with no target. were
unimportant.

1807
01:43:48,930 --> 01:43:51,510
John C Dvorak: To us, what would
I do with all that money?

1808
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,540
Adam Curry: We're completely
unimportant. Like, we're gonna

1809
01:43:54,540 --> 01:43:57,240
take all of your assets you'd be
like, what's this? What is this

1810
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,240
thing? What is this pile? DeVore
Abkhaz? Oh, no, we don't want

1811
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,300
any of that. No, we can't have
that collection. What's curry

1812
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:09,030
God who has a dog? All right,
good. Dog we have we have just

1813
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:13,080
gone the value for the value for
value route. As long as you can

1814
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,780
still pay our rent. We're still
doing the show. That's always

1815
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:18,840
been the mission. That's always
been how we run it and it has

1816
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,110
been working so then we're
happy. We're gainfully employed,

1817
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:26,280
gainfully employed, I tell you,
so one of the ways that you can

1818
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:29,970
help us is through donating
money, treasure, we need it.

1819
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:34,200
Obviously everybody needs to
make money to pay your bills. We

1820
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,780
also like time and talent. We
have boots on the ground. You

1821
01:44:36,780 --> 01:44:40,170
heard a couple of reports during
the show. We have and believe

1822
01:44:40,170 --> 01:44:45,030
me, we have doctors, dentists,
nurses. We have the law

1823
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:49,770
enforcement officers military
pilots, we you cannot think of a

1824
01:44:49,770 --> 01:44:54,900
single thing we have people who
test wastewater Hello, this is

1825
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:58,440
the best podcast in the
universe. That's what's so cool.

1826
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:58,920
We

1827
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:05,130
John C Dvorak: do have I was a
cadre of, of producers who have

1828
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:10,710
high expertise in extremely
specialized areas of society.

1829
01:45:10,710 --> 01:45:13,890
Yes. And they're all you know,
that's not you know, that's not

1830
01:45:13,890 --> 01:45:16,860
the same as a legislative guy or
anybody, which is who is a

1831
01:45:16,860 --> 01:45:20,130
generalist. These are people
that are specialists, and very

1832
01:45:20,130 --> 01:45:22,860
seldomly get the recognition.
They deserve to be honest about

1833
01:45:22,860 --> 01:45:22,920
it.

1834
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:25,320
Adam Curry: That's right. And
even then they usually want to

1835
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:29,040
be anonymous. They just want to
help out the show. Well, there's

1836
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,580
other reasons. They also like
their life. Yeah, of course. But

1837
01:45:32,580 --> 01:45:35,730
yeah, so that's how we know this
wastewater testing is just more

1838
01:45:35,730 --> 01:45:39,240
bull crap. It's a bonanza, no
doubt, you know, the testing

1839
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:43,770
industrial complex. In general,
we heard a big bonanza. So this

1840
01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:46,500
is this is how you can
contribute. We also have artists

1841
01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:50,610
and these artists, they work and
it's amazing, because, you know,

1842
01:45:50,610 --> 01:45:53,460
we're talking about experts.
Many of these artists, in fact,

1843
01:45:53,460 --> 01:45:58,170
the majority are Dutch masters.
And they create artwork for us

1844
01:45:58,170 --> 01:46:01,470
on the fly while listening while
at work while slaving away at

1845
01:46:01,470 --> 01:46:05,280
their jobs, they still find time
to create some artwork in

1846
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,540
between. And it's great because
we use those for the show. And

1847
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,210
it always looks good, it's
fresh, it looks great in the

1848
01:46:12,210 --> 01:46:15,570
podcast apps looks good when you
put it out there and promote the

1849
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:18,420
show, which is another way you
can provide value back to us.

1850
01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:23,970
And lo and behold the episode
art for 1666, which was titled

1851
01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:29,970
weird spelled wy rd came from
none other than the very

1852
01:46:29,970 --> 01:46:36,420
controversial Francisco scatter
manga. And he created a very

1853
01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:43,050
nice D Day piece. Which wasn't
wasn't like we weren't overly

1854
01:46:43,050 --> 01:46:47,730
enthusiastic, like jumping up
and down. But it was D Day. We

1855
01:46:47,730 --> 01:46:52,560
did the was Yeah, we did the
show on D day itself. And then

1856
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,690
we got a lot of positive
comments. People say that's

1857
01:46:54,690 --> 01:46:58,110
great with that. Thank you for
honoring my grandfather or

1858
01:46:58,110 --> 01:47:02,250
whatever else, by the way. So
some someone from the Pentagon

1859
01:47:02,250 --> 01:47:06,300
got in touch with me. Again, our
producers right, and said, Hey,

1860
01:47:06,330 --> 01:47:11,340
give me your your, your
grandfather's date of birth. So

1861
01:47:11,340 --> 01:47:15,540
I happen to have this and he dug
up my grandfather's draft card.

1862
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:22,920
That's sweet. Why it gets
better. He says every person who

1863
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:27,750
landed at Normandy ought
automatically qualifies for a

1864
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:32,550
French, like Legion, Legion
donor or slaughter. Yeah, the

1865
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:36,630
Legion of Honor. And so as any
said, Hey, we're looking at your

1866
01:47:36,630 --> 01:47:41,640
family history. It looks like
because he came from Germany. It

1867
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,280
looks like it came from Prussia,
you may actually have royal

1868
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:48,030
blood in you. Which, which means
our lizard.

1869
01:47:49,290 --> 01:47:52,260
John C Dvorak: Part lizard Adam,
yeah, I believe this to be true.

1870
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:54,720
Adam Curry: I'm very excited
about learning. This is better

1871
01:47:54,720 --> 01:48:00,420
than 23. And me, this is the
kind of producers we have other

1872
01:48:00,420 --> 01:48:02,250
pieces. Thank you

1873
01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:05,880
John C Dvorak: for oily
creations apart. That explains a

1874
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:07,110
lot I'm part reptile,

1875
01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:09,870
Adam Curry: baby. There you go.
Let me see other pieces that we

1876
01:48:09,870 --> 01:48:12,210
looked at. There was a lot of
let's

1877
01:48:12,210 --> 01:48:14,100
John C Dvorak: start off by
saying a couple of things.

1878
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:18,510
Please do first of all Scarah
manga has turned out to be

1879
01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:24,420
something of an a whole by being
goaded into condemning the show

1880
01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:29,340
on the no agenda, no authority
website, which I find to be I

1881
01:48:29,340 --> 01:48:31,740
found to be very offensive. You
didn't even want to use this

1882
01:48:31,740 --> 01:48:36,480
piece because you were so upset
about it. And I and I'm very

1883
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:39,780
irked by the whole thing, and I
might as well make the statement

1884
01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:43,290
now I am not going to no
authority for anything. I've had

1885
01:48:43,290 --> 01:48:47,160
it with that website. I don't I
think Aaron has done a very piss

1886
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,040
poor job of moderating. He
basically says I'm not

1887
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:54,660
moderating. So we have a slew of
a holes on there that are doing

1888
01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:57,810
nothing for positive for the
show. They just say negative

1889
01:48:57,810 --> 01:49:01,140
things and they just condemn
you. They condemn me. They

1890
01:49:01,140 --> 01:49:04,800
condemn everybody in between and
they get people like Scaramanga

1891
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:10,470
all jacked up in a situation
where they shouldn't be mad and

1892
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:15,600
mad. And so if that site is dead
to me, I'm not going to if

1893
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:19,260
anybody wants to contact me
using that site, you're not

1894
01:49:19,260 --> 01:49:23,490
going to get to go go back to
Twitter. Because I have refused

1895
01:49:23,490 --> 01:49:25,950
now to be it's just like
everything else is some of these

1896
01:49:25,950 --> 01:49:29,460
guys start up and you have some
body like Aaron are running it.

1897
01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:34,410
They don't do their job
properly. They're above it all

1898
01:49:34,410 --> 01:49:37,590
they won't take advice from
anyone. And it's like no

1899
01:49:37,590 --> 01:49:41,490
authority early in the in the
I'm sorry, no agenda social now

1900
01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:44,550
nor authority. And before that,
that no agenda forms. We've had

1901
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:48,480
this happen over and over and
over again, where people take it

1902
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:53,550
upon themselves to be jerks. And
so don't look for me they are

1903
01:49:53,550 --> 01:49:54,360
I'm not happy there.

1904
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:57,450
Adam Curry: I mean, this is a
little bit of projection because

1905
01:49:57,450 --> 01:50:01,560
I mean, we are the ones taking
the Joomla So, you know, that is

1906
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:02,580
kind of our own fault.

1907
01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:08,160
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Where's
that jus money by the way? Where

1908
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:13,260
is it? The more CIA money but we
don't get enough enough of that.

1909
01:50:14,490 --> 01:50:16,950
Adam Curry: I have to say check
the PIO box.

1910
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,070
John C Dvorak: Once in a while
we get some agency money, but

1911
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:21,600
it's rare. Very rare.

1912
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:27,960
Adam Curry: Very rare. Anyway,
moving right along we had let's

1913
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:34,140
see, we had another Normandy D
Day piece by Thomson nail. Man,

1914
01:50:34,170 --> 01:50:38,220
you kind of liked the D Day
diapers from St. Paul couture.

1915
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:44,190
They did which were they it was
it was small. I mean, there was

1916
01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:46,710
just technically some things
that I think were probably

1917
01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:48,360
didn't like it. I didn't know.

1918
01:50:49,290 --> 01:50:52,320
John C Dvorak: Not that I didn't
like it using devils ever. No.

1919
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,010
Adam Curry: Not using devils who
not you know, what's

1920
01:50:56,010 --> 01:50:58,350
John C Dvorak: the point and we
both kind

1921
01:50:58,350 --> 01:51:01,350
Adam Curry: of like damn Kenny
Ben's baseball hitting the

1922
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:06,930
mouth. No, the idea true i like
i like to you didn't like you

1923
01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:08,040
thought it was too gruesome.

1924
01:51:08,340 --> 01:51:12,270
John C Dvorak: No, it was just
the opposite. I liked it. And

1925
01:51:12,270 --> 01:51:15,120
use you threw back at me as to
gruesome.

1926
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:18,900
Adam Curry: Well, I repent. You
said dry

1927
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:20,610
John C Dvorak: await him as
you're violating your own

1928
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:21,540
gruesome rule.

1929
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,340
Adam Curry: I repent. It's
actually pretty good piece. Now

1930
01:51:26,370 --> 01:51:27,030
well,

1931
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:29,310
John C Dvorak: it does. I think
the point is well taken is a

1932
01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:30,450
little gruesome. Yeah.

1933
01:51:31,530 --> 01:51:37,920
Adam Curry: And then sir Suge
did a, like a wheel of fortune.

1934
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,240
Which I guess was supposed to be
adios. mofos I guess.

1935
01:51:43,230 --> 01:51:46,680
John C Dvorak: Oh, I didn't
figure right money. Now the

1936
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,120
reason adios mofos

1937
01:51:48,150 --> 01:51:51,090
Adam Curry: the reason why it's
kind of interesting is you know

1938
01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:54,090
Pat's a jack, this is why I
think he did it. Pat say Jack is

1939
01:51:54,090 --> 01:51:56,880
ending his 40 year run as the
host of we'll afford last

1940
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:03,060
Friday. It's done. On on May 30.
There was a rather interesting

1941
01:52:03,060 --> 01:52:05,880
episode, which I had not heard
about. And quite frankly, I'm

1942
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,180
surprised seeing the the level
of maturity of most of our

1943
01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:12,120
listeners and of us. Here's a
clip. Our

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01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:16,980
Unknown: first toss up is worth
$1,000. Category is phrase and

1945
01:52:17,010 --> 01:52:17,520
off we go.

1946
01:52:25,980 --> 01:52:32,190
Adam Curry: Maurice, right in
the back. He thought the answer

1947
01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:36,960
was right in the butt, which
obviously fries not. Wow, that

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01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:37,530
aired.

1949
01:52:38,430 --> 01:52:41,670
John C Dvorak: That aired. Yeah,
well, why not?

1950
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:47,010
Adam Curry: Find rather
interesting. Anyway, we thank

1951
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:50,850
and congratulate Francisco
Scaramanga with his win for

1952
01:52:50,850 --> 01:52:56,010
episode 1666. Now we move over
to the treasure portion of the

1953
01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:58,860
value for value model. These are
the executive producers who come

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01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:04,650
in with $300 and above and we
read your notes and the

1955
01:53:04,650 --> 01:53:08,100
Associate Executive producers
which is $200 and above and we

1956
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:12,120
read your note as well. And this
is a quite the anomaly that has

1957
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:17,820
taken place here we have two of
the same donations. These are

1958
01:53:17,820 --> 01:53:20,820
only the second and third of
their kind in the show's

1959
01:53:20,820 --> 01:53:27,390
history. And it does, it's a
recently coined donation amount

1960
01:53:28,410 --> 01:53:33,060
and we start with the Duke of
Central Florida from Winter Park

1961
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:40,230
333333 The very coveted robber
lies your donation from the Duke

1962
01:53:40,230 --> 01:53:45,090
of Central Florida also a double
show number donation he says I'm

1963
01:53:45,090 --> 01:53:48,510
trying to encourage others to
match this donation so we can

1964
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:52,410
all collect our challenge coins.
Love the show thanks to you and

1965
01:53:52,410 --> 01:53:55,710
the other producers here of
course is the jingle in the

1966
01:53:57,870 --> 01:54:02,310
Unknown: standby 3333 33

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01:54:05,190 --> 01:54:10,440
Adam Curry: You've got karma I
mean wow.

1968
01:54:13,050 --> 01:54:17,220
John C Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. And
it's pretty spectacular. And

1969
01:54:17,220 --> 01:54:19,980
Adam Curry: well if that wasn't
enough random number theory.

1970
01:54:21,210 --> 01:54:23,820
John C Dvorak: Yeah, if that
wasn't enough, someone we

1971
01:54:23,820 --> 01:54:27,180
haven't heard of heard from for
a while Sir Donald of the fire

1972
01:54:27,180 --> 01:54:33,630
bottles came in and he uses the
end he found some more of his

1973
01:54:34,290 --> 01:54:37,950
internet inner United Federation
of Planets Starfleet Command

1974
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:47,910
letterhead. And he also from
Eastern Washington donated three

1975
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:51,330
three, which is very strange
that we have this two in a row

1976
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:55,290
like this amazing. And we'll get
them both those showed number

1977
01:54:55,290 --> 01:55:03,090
donations. Yes. He says I
enclose 333333 33333 3.33 Which

1978
01:55:03,090 --> 01:55:06,600
I believe is the second
Webalizer donation to no agenda.

1979
01:55:07,140 --> 01:55:11,250
Exactly third thing third it's
the third now it's the third now

1980
01:55:11,250 --> 01:55:17,430
Yeah Please play the rebel iser
number station jingle. Same

1981
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:22,800
request this is classic random
numbers should have more often

1982
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,850
this donation is part of an
inheritance from a dear friend

1983
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,410
who passed away last year. And
that's Ian's it cheers Sir

1984
01:55:31,410 --> 01:55:34,740
Donald unbelievable in the tank

1985
01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:44,670
Unknown: 333 33 otherwise you've
got karma

1986
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,630
Adam Curry: now if I recall I
think we should make a challenge

1987
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:49,500
coin for this

1988
01:55:50,940 --> 01:55:52,290
John C Dvorak: for the three
three yeah

1989
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:54,510
Adam Curry: the rough Are you
kidding me for the for the

1990
01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:59,700
donation could you can we can we
talk to Jay about that?

1991
01:56:00,570 --> 01:56:02,820
John C Dvorak: We could also
talk to Paul couture who

1992
01:56:02,820 --> 01:56:04,650
actually designed all this right

1993
01:56:04,650 --> 01:56:07,140
Adam Curry: that's right he did
all the the challenge coins yes

1994
01:56:07,170 --> 01:56:09,360
John C Dvorak: but he you know
but I think it only we need the

1995
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,770
design and contact who who to
manufacture I think this

1996
01:56:13,770 --> 01:56:16,200
Adam Curry: is that's dynamite I
you know I was telling Tina

1997
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,870
about this and she's like first
of all she's like oh wow, this

1998
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:21,660
is so unbelievable. So she's so
grateful whenever that happens

1999
01:56:21,660 --> 01:56:25,140
whether it was all donations
because you know my portion she

2000
01:56:25,140 --> 01:56:28,410
takes right away and she takes
it and says what are they

2001
01:56:28,410 --> 01:56:31,020
getting? I said they get
verbalize her donation says what

2002
01:56:31,410 --> 01:56:34,050
do you don't even get some she
said don't think get a drone or

2003
01:56:34,050 --> 01:56:40,320
something like a drone? Nobody
drone but I think the I think

2004
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,950
the challenge coin is a great
idea. So thank you both are

2005
01:56:43,950 --> 01:56:48,960
working on Baronet Paul is in
Fort Worth Texas. 350 93 So it's

2006
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:53,760
probably a 333 I'm thinking this
donation brings me to Baron

2007
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,220
status should the peerage
committee approval of course we

2008
01:56:56,220 --> 01:57:00,930
do. Jobs contracts and sales
karma I can vouch for Linda

2009
01:57:00,930 --> 01:57:04,860
loose stellar services as Linda
Lou packin at image bankers Inc

2010
01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:07,620
with a k.com Everyone
complimented me on my resume and

2011
01:57:07,620 --> 01:57:10,740
the intro letter she wrote are
super useful, as well as the

2012
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:13,410
schooling I got from her on
finding potential consulting

2013
01:57:13,410 --> 01:57:18,810
clients. She's the best. Please
de douche, my girlfriend, Masha

2014
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:22,620
Joon, who also who asked me to
stop playing no agenda in the

2015
01:57:22,620 --> 01:57:26,550
car. She really she really
enjoyed the Iran coverage as her

2016
01:57:26,550 --> 01:57:32,070
family isn't as Isfahan is worse
is for hon

2017
01:57:32,940 --> 01:57:33,810
John C Dvorak: ammonoid It must
be

2018
01:57:36,210 --> 01:57:39,990
Adam Curry: de deuced we
continue to do that of course

2019
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:44,400
please have baby making karma
for sureno Pam in Knoxville

2020
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,830
Tennessee. Wait I have I have

2021
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,080
John C Dvorak: the baby making
the

2022
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:52,350
Adam Curry: baby Carmen You're
right. Yes we do. All right. Got

2023
01:57:52,350 --> 01:57:57,600
the baby karma over there. Where
is he's in Knoxville, Tennessee

2024
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,180
where he'll be setting up a meet
up soon. Very good. Please look

2025
01:58:00,180 --> 01:58:04,770
out for the pet treats for my
startup bark bite.com All right

2026
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,330
another another cool thing in
the

2027
01:58:06,330 --> 01:58:08,490
John C Dvorak: people I think
you should send the BART the

2028
01:58:08,490 --> 01:58:12,810
some samples to the to the
kennel up in Port Angeles. There

2029
01:58:12,810 --> 01:58:17,940
you go. Recreate the wet nose in
you can. It's listed.

2030
01:58:19,230 --> 01:58:21,870
Adam Curry: Does it come with
vibrating beds the wet nose in

2031
01:58:21,870 --> 01:58:25,410
sounds kind of creepy. We're
creating homemade dog and cat

2032
01:58:25,410 --> 01:58:29,100
treats. We're using all natural
ingredients and using technology

2033
01:58:29,130 --> 01:58:32,070
technology to optimize the
recipes. I'm an industrial

2034
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:34,980
engineer after all, no weird
ingredients. We'll be starting

2035
01:58:35,010 --> 01:58:38,370
at Fort Worth area farmers
market soon. And then expanding

2036
01:58:38,370 --> 01:58:40,860
to our website. Stay tuned for
delicious and healthy options

2037
01:58:40,860 --> 01:58:43,650
for your furry friends. We'll
also be able to produce custom

2038
01:58:43,650 --> 01:58:46,170
treat recipes for dogs with
illnesses and specific

2039
01:58:46,170 --> 01:58:50,640
nutritional needs. How about
that? Trumps jobs karma? Why are

2040
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:54,480
you rapping? Shut up slave
that's true little girl. Yay.

2041
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,150
And thank you for the sandy
thank you for your courage. So

2042
01:58:57,150 --> 01:59:00,030
there's two commas in there a
lot of crime was requested and

2043
01:59:00,030 --> 01:59:03,810
happy to do it for you long
enough. Why are you laughing?

2044
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:13,530
Shut ups. Slave it's true you've
got

2045
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:25,920
no and I was hoping that seems
like my system just froze up.

2046
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:27,870
Out there we go jobs,

2047
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,150
Unknown: jobs, jobs

2048
01:59:36,630 --> 01:59:38,460
Adam Curry: there's so many
jingles that everything froze

2049
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:38,760
up.

2050
01:59:39,930 --> 01:59:43,920
John C Dvorak: William Ericsson
in East Boston, Massachusetts.

2051
01:59:45,420 --> 01:59:51,540
Three Three. The shows have been
on fire lately. I've had to ask

2052
01:59:51,540 --> 01:59:55,710
for a closing deal karma at work
for a large software purchase to

2053
01:59:55,710 --> 02:00:00,810
hopefully close soon your
newfound faith suit you very

2054
02:00:00,810 --> 02:00:08,100
well, Adam. And JC de continues
to be a lovely curmudgeon. Yes,

2055
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:11,160
I'm a lovely, lovely, lovely
good to blend together like a

2056
02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:15,090
fine wine. Oh, really? Keep it.

2057
02:00:16,770 --> 02:00:17,910
Adam Curry: Okay, and Aspirus

2058
02:00:18,420 --> 02:00:20,430
John C Dvorak: get into the
phonology of the whole thing.

2059
02:00:20,910 --> 02:00:24,690
Keep it up and you'll never find
an exit strategy or may not may

2060
02:00:24,690 --> 02:00:29,040
you never jingles. I'm gonna
come and ooh, you can see that

2061
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,450
juice. I'm gonna come.

2062
02:00:31,620 --> 02:00:35,670
Adam Curry: Oh, gosh. Can you
see that juice? There you go.

2063
02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:41,730
Agent 99 is here from LaGrange,
Texas, home of ZZ Top 250

2064
02:00:41,730 --> 02:00:44,160
Associate Executive Producer.
Thanks so no agenda for all you

2065
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:47,820
do. I found no agenda on the Joe
Rogan experience. We haven't

2066
02:00:47,820 --> 02:00:51,630
done one of these in a while. I
think I have a have a new yes I

2067
02:00:51,630 --> 02:00:56,640
do have a new Rogan donation
donation. Since then, you've

2068
02:00:56,640 --> 02:01:00,660
made since then made it a part
of every Thursday and Sunday

2069
02:01:00,690 --> 02:01:04,380
avid follower of podcasting 2.0
love how we are delivering V

2070
02:01:04,380 --> 02:01:09,030
four v two podcasts and music.
Yes. Podcast. apps.com get a new

2071
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:09,270
one.

2072
02:01:11,790 --> 02:01:15,690
John C Dvorak: Christopher with
a que o Rourke in Oak Lawn,

2073
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:21,600
Illinois. 23456 Classic. Thank
you for your time and talent.

2074
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:25,290
Release relations ship karma,
please.

2075
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:32,880
Adam Curry: You've got karma.
Scott, the welder Watkinsville.

2076
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,900
Georgia 233 75. Might have been
a row of ducks. Hi, John. Um,

2077
02:01:36,900 --> 02:01:39,540
couple things here. My father
ended up passing away in

2078
02:01:39,540 --> 02:01:45,180
December due to his debt to
Cubitus ulcer. Is that what it

2079
02:01:45,180 --> 02:01:48,540
is? Thank you. Thank you,
everyone in the knowledge in the

2080
02:01:48,540 --> 02:01:50,850
nation for their prayers. My son
and I were with him at the

2081
02:01:50,850 --> 02:01:53,520
hospice. When he passed on to
the other side. He was deeply

2082
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,760
religious. And I'd been reading
him Bible verses when he started

2083
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:00,000
to pass. We left them a hot cup
of black coffee by the open

2084
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:03,630
window for the road. My dad had
a good sense of humor and as we

2085
02:02:03,630 --> 02:02:07,590
had said our goodbyes I told the
nurse at the front desk. If you

2086
02:02:07,590 --> 02:02:10,410
could give us a hand we could
just put him in the work van and

2087
02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:12,780
we could take him over to the
crematorium herself to save a

2088
02:02:12,780 --> 02:02:17,190
couple of bucks. She had a good
laugh. Those hospice nurses that

2089
02:02:17,190 --> 02:02:19,740
ride the line between life and
death everyday are so awesome.

2090
02:02:19,740 --> 02:02:22,350
They made that experience
magical and peaceful. Please let

2091
02:02:22,350 --> 02:02:25,590
me clarify that I left Brooklyn
for greener pastures in Athens,

2092
02:02:25,590 --> 02:02:29,340
Georgia at the end of 2020. And
close to businesses due to New

2093
02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:32,820
York City government lockdowns
the business I am most proud of

2094
02:02:32,820 --> 02:02:38,190
taught over 4000 people how to
weld enforce and short for our

2095
02:02:38,190 --> 02:02:42,570
classes. The most popular one
being how to make a cube I

2096
02:02:42,570 --> 02:02:45,210
finally gotten gotten around
it's not easy actually. I

2097
02:02:45,210 --> 02:02:47,820
finally gotten around to
offering classes again so that I

2098
02:02:47,820 --> 02:02:51,120
can teach the both of you how to
properly weld metal. May I just

2099
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:55,830
say I am quite professional in
welding co2 as well as with the

2100
02:02:55,830 --> 02:03:00,420
electrodes I learned when I was
17 Sign up now. i

2101
02:03:00,450 --> 02:03:03,060
John C Dvorak: I'm also I worked
at a sheetmetal shop for two

2102
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:07,800
years and I can weld we're well
I will say this. There are some

2103
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:10,590
people that can weld and there's
some people that can weld and

2104
02:03:10,590 --> 02:03:14,100
there are some people Yeah, and
you look at the weld some people

2105
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:18,360
do it's like oh my god, how good
are you? It's just like

2106
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:20,190
beautiful it's almost art.

2107
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:22,680
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm not
I'm no artist, I can get the

2108
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:27,750
pieces to stick together. I
mean, the real real welding is

2109
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:32,130
definitely it's a skill and
artistic skill. Sign up now for

2110
02:03:32,130 --> 02:03:35,190
that welding class you've been
dreaming of going to metal shop

2111
02:03:35,190 --> 02:03:39,090
fantasy camp.com registering for
class in Athens, Georgia. This

2112
02:03:39,090 --> 02:03:41,820
donation brings me to knighthood
and going forward I wish to be

2113
02:03:41,820 --> 02:03:45,480
known as Sir Scott, the welder,
blacksmith of the East. Thank

2114
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:48,390
you for your courage. And as
Linda Lou might say, don't

2115
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:50,130
forget to sign up for that
welding class you've been

2116
02:03:50,130 --> 02:03:54,000
dreaming of by going to metal
shop fantasy camp.com.

2117
02:03:55,020 --> 02:03:57,480
John C Dvorak: Scott, the
wellness, Linda lose getting a

2118
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:01,650
lot of the ancillary promotion.
Well, she's always Eli the

2119
02:04:01,650 --> 02:04:04,470
coffee guy by the reason
Bensenville Illinois. He came in

2120
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:11,010
with two under $6.09. And he
says, I loved the last show. Or

2121
02:04:11,010 --> 02:04:13,650
I loved the last show art and
wanted to recognize and

2122
02:04:13,650 --> 02:04:17,190
celebrate D Day A salute to the
greatest generation as a

2123
02:04:17,190 --> 02:04:20,220
millennial. I can't help but
notice the difference in

2124
02:04:20,220 --> 02:04:24,270
generations between those who
are younger and our grandparents

2125
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:27,540
cutting the wars of the first
half of the last century made

2126
02:04:27,540 --> 02:04:34,380
for some tough s o B's. Good
times make for soft men. Soft

2127
02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:39,240
men make make for hard times and
hard times make for hard men.

2128
02:04:39,870 --> 02:04:44,430
What I just said is what you
said you stole it from me. Can I

2129
02:04:44,430 --> 02:04:48,600
get a build back better jingle
producers who love coffee by the

2130
02:04:48,600 --> 02:04:51,840
way visit gigawatt coffee I'm
having the Costa Rican light

2131
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:52,170
roast.

2132
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:56,190
Adam Curry: I'm having the Costa
Rican Dota tarrazu The Snap

2133
02:04:56,190 --> 02:05:00,780
tool. So we're having the same
been two different temperatures.

2134
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:04,980
John C Dvorak: Use the code ITM
for 20%. off your order. Stay

2135
02:05:04,980 --> 02:05:09,330
caffeinated Eli, the coffee gets
a gigawatt coffee. Yes, it's a

2136
02:05:09,330 --> 02:05:10,350
good product for

2137
02:05:12,059 --> 02:05:13,139
Unknown: your freedom

2138
02:05:19,980 --> 02:05:23,430
Adam Curry: and Peter Mohsen is
in Kirby's more side, North

2139
02:05:23,430 --> 02:05:27,420
Yorkshire, North Yorkshire. Yes,
in Great Britain. I've been

2140
02:05:27,420 --> 02:05:32,820
there. I've flown there $200 And
one penny and that makes him an

2141
02:05:32,820 --> 02:05:35,490
Associate Executive Producer. I
do see no note from him. So

2142
02:05:35,490 --> 02:05:41,970
we'll give him a double up
karma. You've got karma

2143
02:05:44,490 --> 02:05:46,740
John C Dvorak: and to round
things off, we have Linda Lou

2144
02:05:46,740 --> 02:05:49,980
Pat Khanna regular from
Lakewood, Colorado tuner bucks

2145
02:05:49,980 --> 02:05:54,000
jobs karma she requests as
usual. And then she says get

2146
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,750
results. Go to Image
magazine.com For all your

2147
02:05:57,750 --> 02:06:01,800
executive resume and job search
needs. That's image makers think

2148
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:06,000
with a k.com or just find Linda
Lou, such as of jobs and writer

2149
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:09,720
of resumes on the producer List
for more years.

2150
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:12,150
Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. Thank
you Linda Lou package

2151
02:06:12,180 --> 02:06:17,280
Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and
jobs for jobs.

2152
02:06:21,570 --> 02:06:24,840
Adam Curry: And that concludes
our executive and Associate

2153
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:29,010
Executive producers for episode
1667. By the way, a lot of

2154
02:06:29,010 --> 02:06:33,450
people notice that 1666 fell on
six six which some people just

2155
02:06:33,450 --> 02:06:39,540
blew their minds and blown mind
blown, baby. Thank you to these

2156
02:06:39,540 --> 02:06:42,210
producers. Of course, these are
credits that you keep forever.

2157
02:06:42,210 --> 02:06:44,370
You can use them anywhere
credits are recognized, for

2158
02:06:44,370 --> 02:06:47,310
instance, on your resume or what
are you drinking?

2159
02:06:48,660 --> 02:06:51,660
John C Dvorak: Your your
favorite Topo Chico? From

2160
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:54,780
Adam Curry: Texas Topo Chico?
That's right. We

2161
02:06:54,780 --> 02:06:56,130
John C Dvorak: drink it all
Mexico actually.

2162
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:59,610
Adam Curry: Yeah, but we well,
that's we own Mexico when we

2163
02:06:59,610 --> 02:07:00,390
took most of it.

2164
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,870
John C Dvorak: Oh, sure. The
Mexicans love hearing that.

2165
02:07:03,900 --> 02:07:04,410
Yeah,

2166
02:07:04,410 --> 02:07:06,750
Adam Curry: well, that's why
they're coming here to hang out

2167
02:07:06,750 --> 02:07:11,700
with us and the topo Chico's.
The credits are good for the

2168
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:14,070
rest of your life. And you can
use them anywhere. As I said

2169
02:07:14,070 --> 02:07:17,760
resumes or your LinkedIn profile
your social media profile or go

2170
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:21,090
to imdb.com Look out look up no
agenda, you'll see that there

2171
02:07:21,090 --> 02:07:24,360
are hundreds if not over 1000
executive and Associate

2172
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:26,520
Executive Producers you can put
your name in there you can open

2173
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:29,430
an account. Thank you to
everyone who came in under $50

2174
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:32,220
We don't read anything there for
reasons of anonymity. We see you

2175
02:07:32,220 --> 02:07:34,740
we love you, we appreciate you
and those who are doing

2176
02:07:34,740 --> 02:07:38,610
sustaining donations. This of
course, is the the end goal is

2177
02:07:38,610 --> 02:07:41,250
to have everybody at least
donate something on a regular

2178
02:07:41,250 --> 02:07:44,460
basis. It's a subscription but
you do it yourself. The amount

2179
02:07:44,460 --> 02:07:47,730
you feel the show was worth to
you. And thanks again to our

2180
02:07:47,730 --> 02:07:50,280
executive and Associate
Executive producers for episode

2181
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:51,930
1667

2182
02:07:52,830 --> 02:07:57,210
Unknown: Our formula is this we
go out we get people in the

2183
02:07:57,210 --> 02:07:57,510
mouth

2184
02:08:10,350 --> 02:08:20,280
Adam Curry: shut up Yes, shut up
so they just shut up. Oh,

2185
02:08:20,280 --> 02:08:24,870
actually, I have a interesting
just a little update, no, no

2186
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:27,840
clip, no clip to play but

2187
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:43,680
that's right, the ever ongoing
vape wars. After remember, the

2188
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:48,000
the FDA, US Food and Drug
Administration really went after

2189
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:53,280
vape juice and vapes in general
and made it so that if you even

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wanted to introduce a vape juice
onto the market, you had to pay

2191
02:08:56,340 --> 02:09:02,370
them $1 million per flavor per
nicotine level, which pretty

2192
02:09:02,370 --> 02:09:06,210
much cleared everybody out.
Everybody fell apart. The whole

2193
02:09:06,210 --> 02:09:11,460
industry went dead, including
jewel. And guess what? Now

2194
02:09:11,460 --> 02:09:14,940
they've reversed their decision
on the jewel vape Ha, what are

2195
02:09:14,940 --> 02:09:19,050
the chances? What are the
chances that they ruin an entire

2196
02:09:19,050 --> 02:09:24,630
industry? And then let the
incumbent big wig back in? This

2197
02:09:24,630 --> 02:09:28,290
is why we need Chevron deference
What a bunch of horrible people.

2198
02:09:30,540 --> 02:09:33,990
Yeah, I'd say it's really it's
really unconscionable what they

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02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:35,610
did there. But of course you
want

2200
02:09:35,610 --> 02:09:39,120
John C Dvorak: I have a cannabis
clip from NPR. Oh,

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02:09:39,150 --> 02:09:41,400
Adam Curry: let's spark it up
here. Researchers

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02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:44,700
Unknown: at UCLA say roughly one
in five adults seeking routine

2203
02:09:44,700 --> 02:09:48,930
health care or using cannabis
details from NPR is will stone

2204
02:09:48,990 --> 02:09:49,260
that

2205
02:09:49,260 --> 02:09:52,590
one in five statistic comes from
a large study of electronic

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02:09:52,590 --> 02:09:56,970
records collected from about
175,000 patients. They had been

2207
02:09:56,970 --> 02:09:59,790
asked about cannabis use ahead
of their annual wellness visit

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02:09:59,790 --> 02:10:02,940
in the UCLA health system, the
majority of patients using

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02:10:02,940 --> 02:10:06,480
cannabis said they did so to
manage symptoms. The most common

2210
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:10,620
being sleeplessness, pain and
anxiety, about 40% said they use

2211
02:10:10,620 --> 02:10:13,890
cannabis weekly inhaling
cannabis was about as common as

2212
02:10:13,890 --> 02:10:16,950
ingesting it. The results
generally aligned with previous

2213
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:20,580
research. Those between the age
of 18 and 29 were much more

2214
02:10:20,580 --> 02:10:23,190
likely to use cannabis than
people over 60.

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02:10:25,290 --> 02:10:27,780
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I don't
know, I don't think this is

2216
02:10:27,780 --> 02:10:30,630
true. I think people over 60
aren't going to say Tell the

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02:10:30,630 --> 02:10:33,600
doctor that they're using
cannabis. If you go to those

2218
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:36,990
stores, you'll find as
especially outside of California

2219
02:10:36,990 --> 02:10:41,100
find that the the pot stores are
filled with old ladies.

2220
02:10:43,560 --> 02:10:47,610
Adam Curry: Yeah, I never
thought it was a good idea to

2221
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,970
have the pot stores and you got
to show your ID and then you're

2222
02:10:50,970 --> 02:10:53,370
on record somewhere and then all
of a sudden they're doing

2223
02:10:53,790 --> 02:10:58,410
studies on you and then doing
news articles. But there's a lot

2224
02:10:58,410 --> 02:11:02,940
that they're doing, particularly
when it comes to products of

2225
02:11:02,940 --> 02:11:09,930
addiction, etc. One of them
being the internet itself. On

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02:11:09,930 --> 02:11:10,290
the medical

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02:11:10,290 --> 02:11:12,720
Unknown: watch for you this
afternoon. Excessive use of the

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02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:15,900
Internet is reshaping teenage
brains. That's according to a

2229
02:11:15,900 --> 02:11:19,560
new study by researchers at the
University College London.

2230
02:11:19,860 --> 02:11:22,980
Alison cranek is a licensed
counselor with Northwestern

2231
02:11:22,980 --> 02:11:25,770
medicine McHenry hospital. She
is an expert on treating

2232
02:11:25,770 --> 02:11:28,980
children and teens who are
experiencing an internet

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02:11:29,010 --> 02:11:31,410
addiction. Allison, thanks for
being with us.

2234
02:11:31,530 --> 02:11:32,520
Thanks for having me

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02:11:32,550 --> 02:11:35,610
already. First of all, let's
clarify what is an addiction?

2236
02:11:35,640 --> 02:11:39,870
And what is a teenager just
being a teenager? Sure. So

2237
02:11:39,870 --> 02:11:42,570
sure. Last, there's not
currently a diagnosis for

2238
02:11:42,570 --> 02:11:45,990
Internet addiction. However,
there are several similarities

2239
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:49,020
between what we refer to as
substance use disorders and the

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02:11:49,020 --> 02:11:52,080
problems we see associated with
heavy smartphone use and social

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02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:55,710
media use. So this includes
things like cravings to use

2242
02:11:55,740 --> 02:11:59,490
unsuccessful attempts to reduce
their use, feeling powerless to

2243
02:11:59,490 --> 02:12:02,910
change their use, and a negative
impact on relationships as a

2244
02:12:02,910 --> 02:12:05,580
result of us. So when you start
to see these things, that's when

2245
02:12:05,580 --> 02:12:08,190
we start to think there might be
more of a problem versus teens

2246
02:12:08,190 --> 02:12:09,060
just being teens.

2247
02:12:09,090 --> 02:12:11,910
In some regards. It's a bit like
alcohol or anything else when it

2248
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:16,230
starts affecting other areas of
your life. And this study

2249
02:12:16,260 --> 02:12:20,220
essentially said much like some
other things we get addicted to,

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02:12:20,700 --> 02:12:24,360
it can rewire the brain a little
bit more about that.

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02:12:24,690 --> 02:12:27,900
Yeah, that's exactly right. So
we know that when we overuse

2252
02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:31,650
things like smartphones and
social media, it kind of it gets

2253
02:12:31,650 --> 02:12:34,770
into our reward system in the
brain, which involves this

2254
02:12:34,770 --> 02:12:37,470
chemical dopamine, which is
essentially we do something

2255
02:12:37,470 --> 02:12:39,780
good, feels good and we want
more.

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02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:42,750
Adam Curry: So then it goes on
and on and on about okay, okay,

2257
02:12:42,750 --> 02:12:46,680
fine. We get it is but what's
happening is studies like this

2258
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:50,430
are popping up, and they're now
using it for the following. This

2259
02:12:50,430 --> 02:12:51,600
is happening in New York we

2260
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:54,420
Unknown: have breaking news
right now is one step closer to

2261
02:12:54,420 --> 02:12:58,410
having two new laws that will
protect kids online. Both

2262
02:12:58,410 --> 02:13:01,350
measures have just made it
through the legislature and

2263
02:13:01,350 --> 02:13:04,590
Governor vocal says that she
will sign them. One statute is

2264
02:13:04,590 --> 02:13:08,370
designed to restrict algorithms
that hook kids on social media

2265
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:11,430
and the other will limit the
collection of personal data. The

2266
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:14,670
governor says that the state
will lead the nation in online

2267
02:13:14,670 --> 02:13:17,220
safety by implementing these new
laws

2268
02:13:17,250 --> 02:13:19,650
Adam Curry: look for the
following mean blocked for

2269
02:13:19,650 --> 02:13:26,040
social media is as addictive as
cigarettes as cocaine as Oreos.

2270
02:13:26,580 --> 02:13:32,520
And this will require some form
of ID to be used to sign up for

2271
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:36,720
your social media website. Elon
is salivating Believe me,

2272
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:39,600
because Oh, you might as well
just give me all your details.

2273
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,030
So I can open a bank account for
you it's all gonna be groovy

2274
02:13:42,030 --> 02:13:45,210
baby. Just trust me. This

2275
02:13:45,210 --> 02:13:47,190
John C Dvorak: is a couple of
clips on this but I wanted to

2276
02:13:47,190 --> 02:13:53,040
preface it with with something
that happened to me there's a

2277
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:56,160
guy there's an expert on
addiction I forgot his name.

2278
02:13:56,160 --> 02:13:59,490
He's a professor and he was
notorious for being the king of

2279
02:14:00,090 --> 02:14:06,780
a you know, discussing true
addiction Tiger king. And he I

2280
02:14:06,780 --> 02:14:09,720
don't know who to remember, this
was like 25 years ago, and I was

2281
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:12,330
writing a column about it
because I had this thesis at the

2282
02:14:12,330 --> 02:14:16,620
time. That the that the mouse
was an addictive implement,

2283
02:14:16,620 --> 02:14:18,510
because it was like a slot
machine lever.

2284
02:14:19,140 --> 02:14:21,570
Adam Curry: Wait a minute, wait
a minute. This was this after

2285
02:14:21,570 --> 02:14:23,910
the infamous no evidence
article. Yes, it was

2286
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:27,270
John C Dvorak: after that no
evidence. And so I had this

2287
02:14:27,270 --> 02:14:29,850
theory about you know, the mouse
and you hit the reward. So you

2288
02:14:29,850 --> 02:14:32,670
get addicted to the computer and
you're clicking on you're

2289
02:14:32,670 --> 02:14:35,610
clicking, you're getting
results. So I got a hold of the

2290
02:14:35,610 --> 02:14:38,910
professor to discuss this with
because I needed I just need one

2291
02:14:38,910 --> 02:14:41,610
attribution so I could throw it
in their garage, right?

2292
02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:43,020
Adam Curry: That's how we always
do it. Yeah.

2293
02:14:43,590 --> 02:14:47,280
John C Dvorak: And he says, No.
He says, No, this is bullcrap.

2294
02:14:47,670 --> 02:14:51,060
This is all these phony baloney,
addictions aren't addictions.

2295
02:14:51,540 --> 02:14:55,410
Hmm. And it he was very strict
about what's an addiction. It's

2296
02:14:55,410 --> 02:14:58,950
something you really you know,
it's literally an addiction

2297
02:14:58,950 --> 02:15:02,340
where you'd like hooked on do
heroin or something like that

2298
02:15:02,340 --> 02:15:05,970
the rest of this is all
habituation, and all these other

2299
02:15:06,150 --> 02:15:09,150
things that happen to you. None
of it's an addiction, there is

2300
02:15:09,150 --> 02:15:13,830
no such thing as an Internet
addiction. And yeah, that's what

2301
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:14,790
I said. But

2302
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:16,710
Adam Curry: that doesn't sound
by the way, I

2303
02:15:16,710 --> 02:15:18,270
John C Dvorak: wrote the column
anyway, without

2304
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:22,230
Adam Curry: it if the evidence
doesn't if the experts don't

2305
02:15:22,230 --> 02:15:24,390
agree, just just say it.

2306
02:15:26,100 --> 02:15:29,790
John C Dvorak: Everybody else in
the media. So why be honest?

2307
02:15:29,790 --> 02:15:35,550
Well done. Yeah. So. So I so I
take some of these stories, you

2308
02:15:35,550 --> 02:15:38,640
know, because I actually took
that to heart. And you know,

2309
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:42,360
none of that there's not an
addiction. If I didn't even I

2310
02:15:42,570 --> 02:15:45,330
believe he would say that
cocaine was never an addiction.

2311
02:15:46,110 --> 02:15:50,280
It's just a habituation. So it's
because people can just stop it.

2312
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:55,860
So I have a series of clips on
teens in screen time. Here we

2313
02:15:55,860 --> 02:16:00,840
go. And this was border line.
Tip for the end of the show. But

2314
02:16:00,840 --> 02:16:03,960
if Doug wasn't going to do it,
just go too long. But I'm

2315
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:06,870
thinking about doing this as
this sort of thing is a Tip Tip.

2316
02:16:06,900 --> 02:16:11,100
But this is again, back to NPR
and, and this is more thinking

2317
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:15,000
and some advice. This is advice
for you and your teens. And I

2318
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:17,190
think I think this is actually
quite good.

2319
02:16:17,310 --> 02:16:20,160
Unknown: early adolescence is a
time when kids are becoming more

2320
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:24,060
independent and spending more
time on social media. When it

2321
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:27,030
comes to curving screen time in
this age group. New research

2322
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:30,630
suggests that what parents do
really matters. And parents

2323
02:16:30,630 --> 02:16:32,040
Maria Godoy reports.

2324
02:16:32,340 --> 02:16:36,180
I'm the parent of a tween and a
young teen. So when I saw the

2325
02:16:36,180 --> 02:16:39,330
findings of a new study on
parenting strategies and screen

2326
02:16:39,330 --> 02:16:42,570
use among young adolescents, the
first thing that jumped to my

2327
02:16:42,570 --> 02:16:44,070
mind was Taylor Swift.

2328
02:16:49,230 --> 02:16:52,620
Yes, parents screentime
influences how much kids use

2329
02:16:52,620 --> 02:16:56,310
them. That was one of the
study's key findings. Dr. Jason

2330
02:16:56,310 --> 02:16:59,730
Niigata is a pediatrician at UC
San Francisco and the study's

2331
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:01,080
lead author, it's

2332
02:17:01,080 --> 02:17:03,780
really important to role model
screen behaviors for your

2333
02:17:03,780 --> 02:17:06,870
children because one of the
biggest predictors of your child

2334
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:09,930
are teenagers screen uses
actually parents screen use. The

2335
02:17:09,930 --> 02:17:10,260
study

2336
02:17:10,260 --> 02:17:14,400
looked at data from more than
10,012 and 13 year olds and

2337
02:17:14,400 --> 02:17:17,280
their parents who were asked
about their screen use habits,

2338
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:21,180
including texting, social media,
video chatting, and watching and

2339
02:17:21,180 --> 02:17:22,440
browsing online.

2340
02:17:22,590 --> 02:17:25,110
Even if teens say that they
don't get influenced by their

2341
02:17:25,110 --> 02:17:28,470
parents. It actually the data
does show that actually parents

2342
02:17:28,470 --> 02:17:31,860
are a bigger influence than than
they may think. Oh, I'm sure

2343
02:17:31,859 --> 02:17:34,859
Adam Curry: that the kids see
their parents. Dream scrolling

2344
02:17:34,859 --> 02:17:35,609
all the time.

2345
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:40,890
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well shaped
in this household. Yes, this is

2346
02:17:40,890 --> 02:17:42,780
tricky. Guess where my phone is?

2347
02:17:42,840 --> 02:17:46,200
Adam Curry: I'm just gonna guess
it's in the drawer. Exactly.

2348
02:17:46,410 --> 02:17:46,830
Okay.

2349
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:51,120
John C Dvorak: And it's been in
the drawer for the last year and

2350
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:55,800
a half. And I don't know if it's
affected anybody you do a

2351
02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:59,250
dinner. Everybody still pulls
her phones out, but not as much

2352
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:00,060
as they used them.

2353
02:18:00,059 --> 02:18:02,219
Adam Curry: What do you do when
when people were okay, so when

2354
02:18:02,219 --> 02:18:05,609
you're at the dinner table, and
all the all the young uns pull

2355
02:18:05,609 --> 02:18:08,489
their phones out? What do you
do? Do you make fun of them? Do

2356
02:18:08,489 --> 02:18:09,089
you say something?

2357
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:11,939
John C Dvorak: Something
important, I should know about?

2358
02:18:11,939 --> 02:18:15,209
I'll do that to do the ridicule.
I'll also say, Oh, hey, can you

2359
02:18:15,209 --> 02:18:17,849
look something up for me? You
know, one of the things I've

2360
02:18:17,879 --> 02:18:20,729
always tended to dinner tables,
so there'll be a little debate

2361
02:18:20,729 --> 02:18:22,829
about something I said, Well,
who's got a phone let's look it

2362
02:18:22,829 --> 02:18:27,419
up. And I make make the slaves
look this information up for me?

2363
02:18:28,379 --> 02:18:32,219
Because I don't have a phone.
And so it's and they generally

2364
02:18:32,219 --> 02:18:35,759
do although I think this is a
resentment that takes Yeah, take

2365
02:18:35,789 --> 02:18:36,299
like that.

2366
02:18:36,300 --> 02:18:39,600
Adam Curry: Like look it up for
me. it up for me. Yeah, I like

2367
02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:41,550
how you say that. I like I like
that. I

2368
02:18:41,549 --> 02:18:44,339
John C Dvorak: like that. Yeah,
it works. After a while they get

2369
02:18:44,339 --> 02:18:45,779
a little tired of it. Now just

2370
02:18:45,780 --> 02:18:48,630
Adam Curry: to check. Do you
still have a landline? Of

2371
02:18:48,630 --> 02:18:53,610
course. Okay, good. Is it one of
those phony VoIP landlines that

2372
02:18:53,610 --> 02:18:55,050
you get from your I mean, I

2373
02:18:55,049 --> 02:18:56,879
John C Dvorak: hate to admit it,
but it's actually comes off the

2374
02:18:56,879 --> 02:18:59,939
Sonic the digital I shouldn't
have

2375
02:19:01,379 --> 02:19:03,059
Adam Curry: like a wire out the
window.

2376
02:19:04,170 --> 02:19:07,350
John C Dvorak: Exactly. Because
it has its own power supply so

2377
02:19:07,890 --> 02:19:13,470
the whole place goes everything
goes dark. Exactly. Yeah, I

2378
02:19:13,470 --> 02:19:17,310
don't have that. I I'd rather
have but I don't Okay, it's part

2379
02:19:17,310 --> 02:19:17,460
two

2380
02:19:17,459 --> 02:19:20,069
Unknown: of this Dr. Genuine
dusky is a pediatrician at the

2381
02:19:20,069 --> 02:19:23,039
University of Michigan who
studies kids and digital media.

2382
02:19:23,249 --> 02:19:25,679
She says she hears parents
expressed feelings of guilt

2383
02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:29,039
about their own screen use all
the time. Our immediate

2384
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:34,110
response is like, I am terrible.
I'm so bad at this.

2385
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:37,380
But instead of beating ourselves
up, she says parents should

2386
02:19:37,380 --> 02:19:40,620
realize that we too are
vulnerable to technology that's

2387
02:19:40,650 --> 02:19:43,650
deliberately designed to keep
our attention glued.

2388
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:49,440
We have been asked to parent
around an increasingly complex

2389
02:19:49,770 --> 02:19:54,420
digital ecosystem that's like
actively working against our

2390
02:19:54,810 --> 02:19:56,280
limits setting for

2391
02:19:56,280 --> 02:20:00,000
ourselves and for our kids. But
that doesn't mean work.

2392
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,000
completely powerless. And a god
test study found that keeping

2393
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:06,990
mealtimes and bedtimes screen
free are effective strategies.

2394
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:10,290
Interestingly, the study found
that using screens as a reward

2395
02:20:10,290 --> 02:20:13,830
or punishment actually
backfired. It was linked to kids

2396
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:17,670
spending more time on their
devices. Instead, researchers

2397
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:20,850
recommend parents work with
their kids to come up with

2398
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:24,150
consistent family guidelines
about when it's okay to use

2399
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:28,230
screens. And to question what
we're really getting out of it.

2400
02:20:28,350 --> 02:20:32,190
Whenever we feel compelled to
keep scrolling. I

2401
02:20:32,220 --> 02:20:35,250
Adam Curry: do not like her
voice very bit annoying. There's

2402
02:20:35,250 --> 02:20:37,080
a way that her voice is
annoying, and

2403
02:20:37,530 --> 02:20:39,780
John C Dvorak: she's very
annoying. And the other thing is

2404
02:20:39,780 --> 02:20:42,120
the use of the word screens when
they're talking about cell

2405
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:45,180
phones. Yeah, yeah, because
that's what we're talking about

2406
02:20:45,180 --> 02:20:49,350
here. And it's screens, they
means on screens, I did at the

2407
02:20:49,350 --> 02:20:54,150
tip in there was that using
screen time as a reward is a bad

2408
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:55,170
idea. So

2409
02:20:55,170 --> 02:20:58,020
Adam Curry: there's two
movements here in Texas, one

2410
02:20:58,050 --> 02:21:01,110
have a name for it's like eight
or something, eight, eight, I

2411
02:21:01,110 --> 02:21:04,590
can't remember what it is. But
the parents are now joining

2412
02:21:04,590 --> 02:21:07,440
together. And they're all
because you know, if they've

2413
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:10,710
one, one household doesn't have
phones, it's no good. So the all

2414
02:21:10,710 --> 02:21:13,710
the parents are now saying,
let's not give in the local

2415
02:21:13,710 --> 02:21:17,520
school here. Let's not give our
kids phones at all until eighth

2416
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:20,310
grade. And they're having some
success with that.

2417
02:21:21,630 --> 02:21:23,790
John C Dvorak: But you know, a
kid need a phone for in the

2418
02:21:23,790 --> 02:21:24,630
sixth grade.

2419
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:27,180
Adam Curry: They don't that's
the point. Now, the other thing

2420
02:21:27,180 --> 02:21:31,050
is, instead of a phone, like
give them a gun, Hey, you want a

2421
02:21:31,050 --> 02:21:34,080
gun instead of a phone? Now
you're taught? Yeah, and the

2422
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:37,260
kids, you know, that teaches you
some real responsibility. You

2423
02:21:37,260 --> 02:21:40,140
know, then they and they go to
the shooting range, whether they

2424
02:21:40,140 --> 02:21:42,570
John C Dvorak: get hold up the
kid, the parents for a phone,

2425
02:21:43,290 --> 02:21:44,160
turn around and give

2426
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:48,360
Adam Curry: me a phone mom.
Yeah, oh, these things work

2427
02:21:48,360 --> 02:21:51,510
quite well. Actually, I have
some AI stuff, including a

2428
02:21:51,510 --> 02:21:53,790
little bit of boots on the
ground, which I thought was kind

2429
02:21:53,790 --> 02:21:59,580
of interesting. You know, Adobe,
updated their terms and service,

2430
02:22:00,510 --> 02:22:06,450
their terms of service. And Tom
Starkweather, one of our one of

2431
02:22:06,450 --> 02:22:10,560
our producers, our top
producers. He quit Adobe. He's

2432
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:14,010
very mad. Have you heard about
this? I mean, he quit it was

2433
02:22:14,040 --> 02:22:17,760
working for Adobe. Now he quit
using it. He closed his account.

2434
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:24,330
And many, many Adobe users are
very angry about point 4.2

2435
02:22:24,480 --> 02:22:29,130
licenses to your content. Where
you know, there's the usual You

2436
02:22:29,130 --> 02:22:32,430
grant us and not because it's
all cloud based. You grant us a

2437
02:22:32,430 --> 02:22:35,640
non exclusive worldwide royalty
free sub licensable license to

2438
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:38,310
use reproduce publicly display,
distribute, modify, create

2439
02:22:38,310 --> 02:22:40,860
derivative works based on
publicly performing translate

2440
02:22:40,860 --> 02:22:45,840
the content. And even though
they came back with a

2441
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,870
clarification, because so many
people were mad, and we're

2442
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:50,280
quitting Adobe, well, people

2443
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:53,070
John C Dvorak: get mad easily,
especially when these companies

2444
02:22:53,070 --> 02:22:54,930
try to take your stuff.

2445
02:22:55,260 --> 02:22:58,170
Adam Curry: Yes, for AI. That
mean that's the whole that's the

2446
02:22:58,170 --> 02:23:00,810
whole issue is like you're
taking my stuff and you're

2447
02:23:00,840 --> 02:23:05,580
baking it into your LLM. And
you're in essence using my stuff

2448
02:23:05,580 --> 02:23:09,870
to sell to other customers.
They're trying to kind of waffle

2449
02:23:09,870 --> 02:23:15,510
around it, but it's not working.
And I think this is a crack this

2450
02:23:15,510 --> 02:23:18,750
is a interesting crack in the in
the armor okay, I didn't know

2451
02:23:18,750 --> 02:23:24,060
about this armor of AI. And yet
this clip led me to a little bit

2452
02:23:24,060 --> 02:23:26,100
of research is from the rising

2453
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:30,810
Unknown: free speech or free
will. Former CEO of Twitter Jack

2454
02:23:30,810 --> 02:23:34,770
Dorsey argued at the Oslo
Freedom Forum for the latter

2455
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:35,250
actually

2456
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:37,020
Adam Curry: that's not that's
not that clips not interesting.

2457
02:23:37,020 --> 02:23:39,990
I'm sorry, I don't even need the
clip to accentuate we've been

2458
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:46,170
seeing these open AI people
writing letters, open letters to

2459
02:23:46,170 --> 02:23:51,990
the world. Here's an article
open AI safety staffers are

2460
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:57,810
jumping ship, the jumping ship,
because, you know, they feel

2461
02:23:57,810 --> 02:24:02,520
that that you know that they're
not being responsible about the

2462
02:24:02,520 --> 02:24:10,800
AI. Political here inside the
culture clash, dominating. I

2463
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:15,150
didn't even know this. But
there's a whole lobbying group

2464
02:24:15,150 --> 02:24:20,310
from open AI and other
artificial intelligence

2465
02:24:20,340 --> 02:24:27,060
companies that are all in
Washington DC. And, and an old

2466
02:24:27,060 --> 02:24:29,580
favorite came back when I kind
of understood what had happened

2467
02:24:29,580 --> 02:24:32,010
here, because you know, of
course, we got Biden's executive

2468
02:24:32,010 --> 02:24:36,000
order all the senators had a
closed door meeting, because

2469
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:39,780
there's hundreds of millions of
dollars. That's a 10s of

2470
02:24:39,780 --> 02:24:42,930
millions of dollars, maybe
hundreds. That is going into

2471
02:24:42,930 --> 02:24:46,320
lobbying for AI and of course,
everybody wants to be the most

2472
02:24:46,320 --> 02:24:50,250
important AI on the block. But
all of the people they sent all

2473
02:24:50,250 --> 02:24:53,880
of the safety people, the board
members that were kicked out of

2474
02:24:53,880 --> 02:25:00,780
open ai ai, every single one of
them including The person who

2475
02:25:00,780 --> 02:25:06,120
most recently quit, the co
founder was kind of kicked out.

2476
02:25:06,510 --> 02:25:14,100
And this guy, Daniel, Coco, Taj,
Hilo, Taj, Lo, all of these

2477
02:25:14,100 --> 02:25:18,330
people have one thing in common.
Can you guess what it is?

2478
02:25:20,010 --> 02:25:21,720
John C Dvorak: There investors
in AI,

2479
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:27,030
Adam Curry: they are effective
altruists. Oh, no worse. So none

2480
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:30,870
of these people are actually
technology people. Then as I've

2481
02:25:30,870 --> 02:25:35,970
looked into it, there, they all,
they all had this idea that

2482
02:25:35,970 --> 02:25:38,970
they're going to save the world
with math, this is what AI is

2483
02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:44,010
going to do. And they're all so
worried that one day One day,

2484
02:25:44,190 --> 02:25:49,920
you maybe in 1020 or 50 years,
will have an actual human acting

2485
02:25:50,040 --> 02:25:53,670
artificial intelligence. And
they're worried about the future

2486
02:25:53,670 --> 02:25:56,970
me the future self, this is all
part of this call this Effective

2487
02:25:56,970 --> 02:26:01,200
Altruism. And that's why they're
jumping ship not because there's

2488
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:05,880
any actual magic sauce going on
there this doing anything. They

2489
02:26:05,880 --> 02:26:09,150
just don't like that, that you
know that it's not being done

2490
02:26:09,150 --> 02:26:12,240
for good. And that people are
making money on it. It's not

2491
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:17,670
right. This whole thing is a
farce. This is Dave

2492
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:20,640
John C Dvorak: reminded, I'm
reminded of the singularity

2493
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:21,810
people what happened to them

2494
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:27,480
Adam Curry: the same nut jobs
hidden so this Daniel guy who

2495
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:33,360
left their nut jobs, he wrote, I
agree, he wrote a paper. Just

2496
02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:36,180
listen to and I read this to
Tina, I say can you tell me what

2497
02:26:36,180 --> 02:26:39,270
this means? And they have, you
know, this is how all these

2498
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:42,210
people speak with the it's like,
it's like they literally use

2499
02:26:42,210 --> 02:26:47,100
chat GPT listen to this abstract
of his paper. First, we argued

2500
02:26:47,100 --> 02:26:50,220
that the appeal of Effective
Altruism, henceforth, eta

2501
02:26:50,490 --> 02:26:53,910
depends significantly on a
certain empirical premise, we

2502
02:26:53,910 --> 02:27:00,210
call heavy tail hypothesis,
which HTH wishes to show title,

2503
02:27:00,660 --> 02:27:03,570
which characterizes the
probability distribution of

2504
02:27:03,570 --> 02:27:07,470
opportunities for doing good.
Roughly, the heavy tail

2505
02:27:07,470 --> 02:27:11,070
hypothesis implies that the best
causes interventions or

2506
02:27:11,070 --> 02:27:14,220
charities produce orders of
magnitude greater good than the

2507
02:27:14,220 --> 02:27:17,640
average ones constituting a
substantial portion of the total

2508
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:21,810
amount of good caused by
altruistic interventions. Next,

2509
02:27:21,870 --> 02:27:25,620
we canvass arguments that
effective Ultras have given for

2510
02:27:25,620 --> 02:27:29,340
the existence of a positive or
right heavy tail and argue that

2511
02:27:29,340 --> 02:27:32,580
they can also apply in a sort of
negative or left heavy tail,

2512
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:35,220
where counterproductive
interventions do orders of

2513
02:27:35,220 --> 02:27:38,070
magnitude more harm than
ineffective or moderately

2514
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:39,060
harmful ones.

2515
02:27:40,290 --> 02:27:43,440
John C Dvorak: These people are
know nothing but since

2516
02:27:43,470 --> 02:27:46,380
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. I
knew you would like it. These

2517
02:27:46,380 --> 02:27:52,590
people are crazy. They're in a
cult. There's a weird sex angle

2518
02:27:52,590 --> 02:27:56,460
to all of this polygamy. Same
goes with a lot of polygamy. So

2519
02:27:56,460 --> 02:27:59,910
that's the kicker. Look at Sam
Altman, and tell me that guy is

2520
02:27:59,910 --> 02:28:03,750
now on the spectrum in a very
creepy way. And they have

2521
02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:08,280
nothing. They've got a cool
demo. Yes. You know, the

2522
02:28:08,310 --> 02:28:11,640
millennial male went back and
forth with me. She says, Hey,

2523
02:28:11,820 --> 02:28:14,430
John C Dvorak: I'm a millennial
male still around. I bailed out.

2524
02:28:14,430 --> 02:28:14,520
I

2525
02:28:14,520 --> 02:28:16,680
Adam Curry: know, she's in
Portland. So she is she's having

2526
02:28:16,680 --> 02:28:18,780
a rough time. Exactly. Very
happy.

2527
02:28:18,780 --> 02:28:20,220
John C Dvorak: That's worse than
New York City.

2528
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:22,650
Adam Curry: She, she says, hey,
you know, I don't want to

2529
02:28:22,650 --> 02:28:25,620
convince you of anything. But
you know, I find it I've been

2530
02:28:25,620 --> 02:28:30,480
able to code some stuff. I said,
Look, yes, absolutely. You can,

2531
02:28:30,510 --> 02:28:34,200
it can help you code. It can
help you write. You know, for an

2532
02:28:34,200 --> 02:28:38,760
unskilled coder or an unskilled
writer, even the even the GitHub

2533
02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:43,440
copilot, it definitely helps
with coding, anything that has

2534
02:28:43,440 --> 02:28:45,870
to do with language, it can
help. It's not going to be

2535
02:28:45,870 --> 02:28:49,230
creative. You can't say build me
something build me the next

2536
02:28:49,260 --> 02:28:53,910
awesome iPhone app. It has no
idea what to do. And the biggest

2537
02:28:53,910 --> 02:28:58,740
problem is it cost too much
money. And right now, and right

2538
02:28:58,740 --> 02:29:02,790
now you're getting it for free,
or almost to $20 a month is free

2539
02:29:02,940 --> 02:29:05,940
for what it really costs to do
this stuff. And that's the phase

2540
02:29:05,940 --> 02:29:09,540
we're in in any tech bubble.
Eyeballs. Baby eyeballs is all

2541
02:29:09,540 --> 02:29:12,810
about eyeballs. That's, that's
all they're doing.

2542
02:29:13,230 --> 02:29:15,450
John C Dvorak: I think it's
interesting. I was more kind of

2543
02:29:15,450 --> 02:29:19,590
fascinated by the heavy tail,
which is a derivative of long

2544
02:29:19,590 --> 02:29:26,160
tail, which was a huge trend.
Oh, it's long tail, which was a

2545
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:30,720
another Silicon Valley of one of
the many buzzwords that comes

2546
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:33,570
out of Silicon Valley. And
they're always derivative. So

2547
02:29:33,570 --> 02:29:37,200
heavy tail, it makes no sense.
It doesn't make any I mean long

2548
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,440
tails. You can kind of
understand it if it's explained.

2549
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:42,540
But heavy tail. What does that
mean?

2550
02:29:42,570 --> 02:29:45,240
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
don't know. What does it mean? I

2551
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:48,720
don't know. But I don't know.
But they're all very concerned

2552
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:52,590
with the world. And you know
that the guy who started this

2553
02:29:52,590 --> 02:29:58,020
whole Effective Altruism, some
Brit. Now he's like, I give away

2554
02:29:58,020 --> 02:30:00,990
hat. They're doing everything
wrong. I give away half of my

2555
02:30:00,990 --> 02:30:03,180
money, you know to good cause
that half of my

2556
02:30:03,180 --> 02:30:05,520
John C Dvorak: money half my
money Bill Gates came up with

2557
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:11,550
that scam. Yeah, yeah, give away
half your money to us. Yeah. The

2558
02:30:11,550 --> 02:30:14,310
Bill and Melinda Gates
Foundation so we can invest it

2559
02:30:14,700 --> 02:30:16,560
Adam Curry: to the no agenda
show what's wrong with you?

2560
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:16,860
Well, that's

2561
02:30:16,860 --> 02:30:19,260
John C Dvorak: what I'd like to
hear. We got a little of that

2562
02:30:19,260 --> 02:30:20,880
from murasky. That's for sure.

2563
02:30:21,900 --> 02:30:25,560
Adam Curry: So this end, and
everyone's falling for because

2564
02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:29,400
you get these you get easy for
you get the they are, you get

2565
02:30:29,400 --> 02:30:32,700
these really complicated.
Actually, the

2566
02:30:34,410 --> 02:30:36,930
John C Dvorak: was a
intellectual explanations are

2567
02:30:36,990 --> 02:30:38,700
very appealing to a lot of
people what

2568
02:30:38,700 --> 02:30:41,220
Adam Curry: you get with
technology press in particular.

2569
02:30:41,250 --> 02:30:45,690
And the New York Times has a
technology guy who is not very

2570
02:30:45,690 --> 02:30:49,950
bright in my opinion. And all
they do was fond, fond, fond,

2571
02:30:49,950 --> 02:30:53,340
because they want the founder
interview. And if you don't find

2572
02:30:53,340 --> 02:30:56,220
he don't suck up to the PR
people who send you free gear

2573
02:30:56,220 --> 02:30:59,100
and give you free accounts, then
you'll never get the founder

2574
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:01,830
interview. Because of course, we
all want to interview Elon or we

2575
02:31:01,830 --> 02:31:05,580
all want to interview Sam
Altman. These are the gods,

2576
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:10,650
their false idols. I'm telling
you, that's how it works. And,

2577
02:31:10,920 --> 02:31:16,170
and I mean, my God, man in
video. It's unbelievable. I was

2578
02:31:16,170 --> 02:31:19,680
watching the keynote by the CEO.
I want I tried to clip it. I

2579
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:24,390
didn't know how he's talking
about NIMS. And these modules,

2580
02:31:24,390 --> 02:31:27,840
and it's going to be the new
world of manufacturing. This is

2581
02:31:27,840 --> 02:31:32,910
the new industrial revolution.
I'm like, this isn't this is a

2582
02:31:32,910 --> 02:31:36,720
middle aged Asian guy in a
motorcycle jacket. Give me a

2583
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:43,950
break. No. It's nuts. I mean,
yes, with enough power, which is

2584
02:31:43,950 --> 02:31:45,060
what they're talking about.

2585
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:47,340
John C Dvorak: The power
required for their new stuff is

2586
02:31:47,340 --> 02:31:49,500
just out of out of this and how

2587
02:31:49,500 --> 02:31:52,560
Adam Curry: effective altruists
How does that work with climate

2588
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:55,710
change? EAS how's your heavy
tail on that?

2589
02:31:58,110 --> 02:32:01,860
John C Dvorak: Back to invidious
and she mentioned him. I met

2590
02:32:01,860 --> 02:32:06,090
this guy I had dinner with him
some years ago, before it the

2591
02:32:06,090 --> 02:32:07,710
company was what it is today.
This

2592
02:32:07,710 --> 02:32:10,020
Adam Curry: guy the Asian guy in
the leather jacket. Yeah.

2593
02:32:10,020 --> 02:32:11,460
Jensen, Jensen. Yeah.

2594
02:32:12,420 --> 02:32:17,970
John C Dvorak: He very sharp
guy. I think he's at this point

2595
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:21,660
in over his head with this with
the latest stuff. And the

2596
02:32:21,660 --> 02:32:24,570
question comes to mind if I was
going to ask him, which I'll

2597
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:27,060
probably never get to see him
again. Because you know, I'm

2598
02:32:27,060 --> 02:32:28,110
washed up certainly not.

2599
02:32:29,730 --> 02:32:32,730
Adam Curry: After the show,
after, after Thursday show of

2600
02:32:32,730 --> 02:32:36,210
John and I were talking and
about being invited. We never

2601
02:32:36,210 --> 02:32:39,450
get invited to parties. And John
literally goes with a bit of

2602
02:32:39,660 --> 02:32:42,960
sadness in his voice. I'm washed
up. So that's where that came

2603
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:43,830
from. Washed

2604
02:32:43,830 --> 02:32:51,060
John C Dvorak: up. So So is what
is the deal with this power

2605
02:32:51,060 --> 02:32:56,400
consumption. I mean, they've
always been kind of invidious,

2606
02:32:56,400 --> 02:33:00,750
always been kind of cavalier
about their power consumption.

2607
02:33:01,290 --> 02:33:05,250
While the whole world is going
in the other direction, about

2608
02:33:05,250 --> 02:33:07,710
God, we gotta keep the power
down, we got to keep the power

2609
02:33:07,710 --> 02:33:11,130
down. They've never thought that
way. And now it's gotten to the

2610
02:33:11,130 --> 02:33:15,600
point where it's ludicrous. The
amount of power that is chewed

2611
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:19,170
up by their chips, they're
doomed to failure, because is it

2612
02:33:19,170 --> 02:33:21,870
in the right going in the wrong
direction, especially in a world

2613
02:33:21,870 --> 02:33:23,880
of climate change. But

2614
02:33:23,880 --> 02:33:25,830
Adam Curry: that doesn't seem to
matter. That doesn't hit the

2615
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:30,150
heavy tail. I'm just going to
keep using this all the time.

2616
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:33,660
You know, the heavy tail
hypothesis of this is that

2617
02:33:33,660 --> 02:33:34,530
climate change

2618
02:33:34,530 --> 02:33:37,740
John C Dvorak: is big. But once
you use that, oh, it's

2619
02:33:37,740 --> 02:33:42,510
Adam Curry: not the same. But
yeah, I mean, yes, with enough

2620
02:33:42,510 --> 02:33:46,950
power, I guess. I mean, we can't
even get back to the moon. And

2621
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:49,560
the reason why is we don't have
enough power. We don't have

2622
02:33:49,560 --> 02:33:53,820
enough rocket to get there. This
the whole idea of you string

2623
02:33:53,820 --> 02:33:57,030
enough computers together, I
guess you can get something out

2624
02:33:57,030 --> 02:34:01,650
of it. But it's just predictive.
It's not smart. It's not

2625
02:34:01,710 --> 02:34:09,030
intelligence. It's just
nonsense. And, I mean, all that

2626
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:12,900
needs to happen is one, we need
one company to say, Yeah, we're

2627
02:34:12,900 --> 02:34:16,680
scaling back on this. We're not
in anymore. What will be

2628
02:34:17,100 --> 02:34:19,350
John C Dvorak: the who is going
to be the first company to say

2629
02:34:19,350 --> 02:34:25,740
that I don't You can't predict
that. That's gay, I guess jet

2630
02:34:25,740 --> 02:34:29,490
GPA, which company is going to
scale back on AI first, okay.

2631
02:34:29,490 --> 02:34:36,780
Adam Curry: Chet GPT. Which is
chat dot open. ai.com. Okay. All

2632
02:34:36,780 --> 02:34:39,360
right. Prompt jockeys. Okay,
what is that? What am I asking

2633
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:40,770
it? Give me the which

2634
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:44,700
John C Dvorak: company will
scale back on? It's a I plans

2635
02:34:44,940 --> 02:34:49,140
first. Okay. It won't answer the
question. I guarantee it.

2636
02:34:49,290 --> 02:34:52,200
Adam Curry: Well, okay. First, I
got to be a prompt jockey. And

2637
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:59,670
I'm going to say you are you are
a stock market analyst. Okay.

2638
02:35:01,260 --> 02:35:06,090
All right. Oh, no sits that
won't work analyst. Okay. Here's

2639
02:35:06,090 --> 02:35:10,110
the question. All right, here we
go. Let's see, searching. Google

2640
02:35:10,110 --> 02:35:13,290
is the company that is scaling
back on its AI plans first.

2641
02:35:13,950 --> 02:35:19,860
There you go. They say there is
this where's the evidence,

2642
02:35:19,890 --> 02:35:23,250
Google decided to reduce the use
of AI generated answers in its

2643
02:35:23,250 --> 02:35:26,460
search results. So that's kind
of weak. Google's decision to

2644
02:35:26,460 --> 02:35:29,700
scale back involves limiting AI
generated content for certain

2645
02:35:29,700 --> 02:35:32,790
queries, man, that's not a real
that's not really good answer.

2646
02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:38,220
That's, that's just chat. GPT
slagging off Google not I mean,

2647
02:35:38,250 --> 02:35:38,760
that's just

2648
02:35:38,970 --> 02:35:41,160
John C Dvorak: especially at
GPT. Looking at the news

2649
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:45,360
stories, Yahoo. Yeah, exactly.
Yahoo News and saying, Oh, look

2650
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:48,090
at this well looks like just
because Google didn't make this

2651
02:35:48,090 --> 02:35:52,110
announcement. Because it's such
a failure. Yeah. And it

2652
02:35:52,110 --> 02:35:55,740
laughable failure, and it's
creating nothing but ridicule

2653
02:35:55,740 --> 02:35:59,880
for Google. So they said that in
a press release, and so they

2654
02:35:59,880 --> 02:36:02,190
picked the press release up, and
that was their answer. Okay.

2655
02:36:02,190 --> 02:36:05,250
Pretty much, pretty much about
it. It's all you can come up

2656
02:36:05,250 --> 02:36:11,730
with. Yeah. I know. They haven't
dissolved the department. No,

2657
02:36:12,090 --> 02:36:14,790
Adam Curry: no. But we heard
from our other boots on the

2658
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:16,920
ground guide Microsoft, who
said, you know, it's so

2659
02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:20,790
expensive. We had 20 people on
one, one thing, and it was, what

2660
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:27,180
was it? $2,000 a day or
something? I mean, come on. It's

2661
02:36:27,180 --> 02:36:28,170
crazy, Chris. You're

2662
02:36:28,170 --> 02:36:29,070
John C Dvorak: just a hater.

2663
02:36:29,970 --> 02:36:32,880
Adam Curry: I'm not a hater.
It's just I want to know what

2664
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:35,220
else we're going to talk about.
And we happen to understand how

2665
02:36:35,220 --> 02:36:39,270
this scam works. We've been
around Silicon Valley long

2666
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:44,580
enough we see it. It's a hype.
In Vidya now is this one stock

2667
02:36:44,610 --> 02:36:49,020
keeping the the s&p 501

2668
02:36:49,020 --> 02:36:51,360
John C Dvorak: stock is keeping
the market propped up.

2669
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:54,780
Adam Curry: That's amazing. It's
amazing. It

2670
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:57,150
John C Dvorak: is amazing. I
have to say it's amazing. What

2671
02:36:57,150 --> 02:37:02,850
else is amazing. Is this China's
secret police. That was the

2672
02:37:02,850 --> 02:37:04,140
greatest segway I've ever done.

2673
02:37:04,140 --> 02:37:06,900
Adam Curry: I'm probably the
worst, I'd say right up there

2674
02:37:06,900 --> 02:37:07,740
with some of mine.

2675
02:37:08,730 --> 02:37:11,340
John C Dvorak: But I do have a
couple of clips I want to get

2676
02:37:11,370 --> 02:37:14,670
out of here. They've had these
for a while I think. Yes,

2677
02:37:14,670 --> 02:37:17,640
they're not new, but it's going
on all over the place and nobody

2678
02:37:17,640 --> 02:37:19,650
cares. Okay, here we go. A

2679
02:37:19,650 --> 02:37:22,770
Unknown: rare peek into the
inner workings of China's secret

2680
02:37:22,770 --> 02:37:26,760
police operation. A former
Chinese spy spilled the beans

2681
02:37:26,760 --> 02:37:31,320
after defecting to Australia. He
spoke with NTD about Beijing's

2682
02:37:31,320 --> 02:37:35,970
tactics to snatch dissidents
overseas, a confession from a

2683
02:37:35,970 --> 02:37:40,830
former Chinese spy. For 15 years
he worked as an undercover agent

2684
02:37:40,920 --> 02:37:44,580
helping Beijing track dissidents
around the world and northern

2685
02:37:44,580 --> 02:37:45,540
back to China.

2686
02:37:46,380 --> 02:37:48,960
Anyone that's against the
Chinese Communist Party on Xi

2687
02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:50,340
Jinping could become a target.

2688
02:37:50,970 --> 02:37:54,300
The former spy goes by the name
Eric, after defecting to

2689
02:37:54,300 --> 02:37:58,620
Australia has now going public,
lifting the veil on a global

2690
02:37:58,620 --> 02:38:02,520
operation to snatch those
critical of Beijing. Key to the

2691
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:06,510
operation is a unit inside
China's top police agency called

2692
02:38:06,510 --> 02:38:09,720
the first Bureau it's in charge
of agents like Eric.

2693
02:38:10,980 --> 02:38:14,040
It's a bit like starting with
the KGB orca estoppel of Nazi

2694
02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:17,190
Germany is a political
repression tool. It has only one

2695
02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:19,950
goal that is to maintain the
Chinese Communist Party's

2696
02:38:19,950 --> 02:38:20,520
controls.

2697
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:25,230
And that includes controlling
voices outside China's borders.

2698
02:38:25,500 --> 02:38:29,850
Eric was but one agent spinning
China's web across the globe,

2699
02:38:30,120 --> 02:38:33,900
tracking dissidents and waiting
for the right moment to bait and

2700
02:38:33,900 --> 02:38:38,010
trap them. According to reports
from safeguard defenders,

2701
02:38:38,130 --> 02:38:42,390
Chinese authorities were able to
coerce 12,000 people to return

2702
02:38:42,390 --> 02:38:47,040
to China from over 120 countries
over the past decade. Many were

2703
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:50,370
sent back to China without even
their host countries even being

2704
02:38:50,370 --> 02:38:54,810
made aware. Eric says he was
responsible for tracking down

2705
02:38:54,810 --> 02:38:59,070
dissidents in Australia, Canada,
India, Cambodia and Thailand.

2706
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:02,850
My main job was to collect
information such as getting

2707
02:39:02,850 --> 02:39:06,330
inside the target circle to
establish relationships with you

2708
02:39:06,330 --> 02:39:09,030
also to learn their plans and
how they need to know what

2709
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:11,910
they're going to do next. This
is really important to the

2710
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:14,190
morphism simply arresting an
Irish person

2711
02:39:15,660 --> 02:39:17,550
Adam Curry: what does it have to
do with the price of bread?

2712
02:39:19,140 --> 02:39:20,820
John C Dvorak: I find it
interesting that they've got

2713
02:39:20,820 --> 02:39:23,700
these agents all over the world
grabbing their own people

2714
02:39:24,990 --> 02:39:28,170
dragging them back they then
they stupidly get somehow get

2715
02:39:28,170 --> 02:39:30,600
them to volunteer I think
sometimes they black bag them.

2716
02:39:30,870 --> 02:39:34,890
But get into vol cow go back you
know, whatever you say. And they

2717
02:39:34,890 --> 02:39:36,330
go back and get thrown in jail.

2718
02:39:36,330 --> 02:39:39,300
Adam Curry: Good. Get them out.
Get rid of it, take them, take

2719
02:39:39,300 --> 02:39:42,450
them China take them. You can
wait from at the border.

2720
02:39:44,580 --> 02:39:45,810
John C Dvorak: And then here's
the rest of it.

2721
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:47,220
Unknown: Here's how it works.

2722
02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:51,840
My handler was send over a list
of targets. For example, they

2723
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:54,840
want to coerce someone to return
to China. And I will talk to

2724
02:39:54,840 --> 02:39:57,360
them to come up with a plan for
how to approach that person

2725
02:39:57,360 --> 02:40:00,720
online and in person to see if I
could learn them to a place

2726
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:03,480
where it's easier to take
control of him. One

2727
02:40:03,480 --> 02:40:06,750
of the targets was a political
cartoonist called red pepper.

2728
02:40:07,050 --> 02:40:10,530
His satirical cartoons often
mocked the Chinese Communist

2729
02:40:10,530 --> 02:40:12,540
Party and its leader Xi Jinping.

2730
02:40:13,679 --> 02:40:17,759
It was about the end of 2016.
Derek messaged me on Twitter,

2731
02:40:17,909 --> 02:40:21,659
saying he likes my cartoons and
wanted to chat privately. He

2732
02:40:21,659 --> 02:40:24,599
later communicated through
email, he approached me as

2733
02:40:24,599 --> 02:40:26,099
someone that was pro democracy.

2734
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:31,200
Posing as a real estate agent,
Eric asked red pepper to design

2735
02:40:31,230 --> 02:40:34,500
a logo for a project. It went
smoothly. Two

2736
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:38,310
years later, this was a contract
to win my crush, we'll assume

2737
02:40:38,310 --> 02:40:38,490
that

2738
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:42,330
once the logo was done, Eric
extended another job offer with

2739
02:40:42,360 --> 02:40:46,320
one condition that red pepper
had to go to Cambodia for the

2740
02:40:46,320 --> 02:40:48,030
job interview. I don't know. But
I

2741
02:40:48,030 --> 02:40:50,850
have a bad impression of
Southeast Asian countries that

2742
02:40:50,850 --> 02:40:53,670
they're not safe. I don't trust
them because of their human

2743
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:57,630
rights records, especially
Cambodia. So I replied to him

2744
02:40:57,630 --> 02:41:01,770
saying I wouldn't go to
Thailand, Burma, Laos. These

2745
02:41:01,770 --> 02:41:04,590
countries are the top choices
for Chinese secret police trying

2746
02:41:04,590 --> 02:41:07,920
to patch dissidents. Governments
turn a blind eye to Chinese

2747
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:10,890
operations. And sometimes we've
been worked with Chinese agents.

2748
02:41:11,580 --> 02:41:15,210
Red Pepper was in the dark about
the plan to snatch him until the

2749
02:41:15,210 --> 02:41:18,750
reporter from the Australian
Broadcasting cooperation reached

2750
02:41:18,750 --> 02:41:21,780
out to him to confirm Eric's
story. Turns

2751
02:41:21,780 --> 02:41:24,600
out the error and that was in
communication with me defective.

2752
02:41:25,410 --> 02:41:29,520
Eric said he was coerced into
working as a spy and always want

2753
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:33,510
it to flee. asked why he went
public with his closely guarded

2754
02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:34,350
secrets.

2755
02:41:35,400 --> 02:41:37,740
Of course, I have my own
reasons. Some of them I can't

2756
02:41:37,740 --> 02:41:41,100
really disclose. But also like
what the news report says, it

2757
02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:44,130
fits into my values. I have
always believed that the inner

2758
02:41:44,130 --> 02:41:47,280
workings of the secret world
should be disclosed one day,

2759
02:41:47,460 --> 02:41:51,690
Donald Trump don't trust China,
China is as HoH I wonder how

2760
02:41:51,690 --> 02:41:53,310
John C Dvorak: much of this
stuff we do.

2761
02:41:54,330 --> 02:41:59,070
Adam Curry: None of it. None of
that. Oh, we're not gonna bring

2762
02:41:59,070 --> 02:42:05,160
people back. We tax you on the
way out? No. I'm gonna bring us

2763
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:09,780
back down to earth here with
just two clips. These are very

2764
02:42:09,780 --> 02:42:12,300
important clips because the
latest thing that everyone was

2765
02:42:12,300 --> 02:42:16,110
all concerned about concern
we've moved, moved to threat

2766
02:42:16,110 --> 02:42:19,380
level concerned about Donald
Trump concerned about his

2767
02:42:19,650 --> 02:42:20,730
revenge

2768
02:42:21,300 --> 02:42:23,670
Unknown: tonight dank on the
campaign trail for the first

2769
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:27,360
time since he was convicted of
34 criminal counts. Former

2770
02:42:27,360 --> 02:42:30,690
President Donald Trump
increasingly focused on revenge

2771
02:42:31,530 --> 02:42:34,560
through a rigged trial in New
York.

2772
02:42:36,330 --> 02:42:39,810
In a series of interviews, Trump
implying that if he's reelected,

2773
02:42:39,870 --> 02:42:43,830
he will see payback against
Democrats, including Joe Biden,

2774
02:42:44,010 --> 02:42:44,520
look,

2775
02:42:44,760 --> 02:42:50,070
when this election is over,
based on what they've done, I

2776
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:54,150
would have every right to go
after them. And it's easy

2777
02:42:54,180 --> 02:42:55,530
because it's Joe Biden

2778
02:42:55,560 --> 02:42:57,120
in an interview with Dr. Phil,

2779
02:42:57,150 --> 02:43:01,350
he doubled down and we're you
have so much to do. You don't

2780
02:43:01,350 --> 02:43:04,770
have time to get even. You only
have time to get right.

2781
02:43:05,100 --> 02:43:09,120
Well, revenge does take time. I
will say that does and sometimes

2782
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:11,910
revenge can be justified. Phil,
I have to be honest, you know,

2783
02:43:11,910 --> 02:43:13,440
sometimes it can in another

2784
02:43:13,440 --> 02:43:15,990
interview dodging a question
about whether he would order the

2785
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:18,870
Justice Department to prosecute
Manhattan district attorney,

2786
02:43:18,900 --> 02:43:22,410
Alvin Bragg, who brought the
case that led to his conviction,

2787
02:43:22,620 --> 02:43:25,590
saying, quote, we're going to
see what happens you're gonna

2788
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:26,040
see

2789
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:28,980
John C Dvorak: what happens.
Yeah, this is all mind reading.

2790
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:32,460
Listen, carefully parse this
what Trump has been saying and

2791
02:43:32,460 --> 02:43:35,730
he's I've saw it seen all these
I saw the bill thing and all the

2792
02:43:35,730 --> 02:43:41,040
rest of it. He's, he's mostly
saying this has to stop and I

2793
02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:43,920
don't want to continue it. You
know, we can't keep going like

2794
02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:46,440
this. It shouldn't happen to
another guy. Like, what happened

2795
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:48,510
to me shouldn't happen to
anybody again, I don't care who

2796
02:43:48,510 --> 02:43:52,200
it is. He's really going out of
his way to say just the opposite

2797
02:43:52,380 --> 02:43:57,090
of what this reporter is saying.
This is a lie. What is basically

2798
02:43:57,090 --> 02:43:59,550
is this is dishonest reporting.

2799
02:43:59,580 --> 02:44:02,130
Adam Curry: What is so cool
about this, where did it come

2800
02:44:02,130 --> 02:44:09,750
from? By the way, that was CNN?
No, I'm sorry. That was ABC.

2801
02:44:10,260 --> 02:44:12,510
John C Dvorak: Yeah, what CNN
would make a lot of sense, but

2802
02:44:12,600 --> 02:44:14,190
Well, here's inexcusable. So

2803
02:44:14,190 --> 02:44:18,030
Adam Curry: here's a CNN clip.
Laura Coates. And she has Eric

2804
02:44:18,030 --> 02:44:22,800
Holder, former Attorney General.
On the show, too, we

2805
02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:24,870
John C Dvorak: should have been
arrested. Talking

2806
02:44:24,870 --> 02:44:29,130
Adam Curry: about this revenge.
This is probably the most

2807
02:44:29,820 --> 02:44:33,870
perfect example of Vetches f
being itself Mitch a cop door to

2808
02:44:33,870 --> 02:44:34,440
health

2809
02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:37,470
John C Dvorak: lawyer. This is I
will I want to help you out

2810
02:44:37,470 --> 02:44:42,390
here. I'm going to preface this
for you. This clip is being used

2811
02:44:42,390 --> 02:44:46,650
a lot by the right to show
exactly what you said. But I say

2812
02:44:46,650 --> 02:44:50,640
you are I am. It is a terrific
clip. You just

2813
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:54,330
Unknown: describe a little bit
in terms of the role of how it

2814
02:44:54,330 --> 02:44:56,940
transforms an attorney general
we're not looking at things

2815
02:44:56,940 --> 02:45:00,450
truly from the facts purely from
the evidentiary but And then how

2816
02:45:00,450 --> 02:45:04,590
to meet it, but instead taking
directives on who to prosecute

2817
02:45:04,590 --> 02:45:06,330
from the president united
states, sure,

2818
02:45:06,330 --> 02:45:10,140
if the President told a
compliant Attorney General, I

2819
02:45:10,140 --> 02:45:13,230
don't like what this congressman
said about me or did about me,

2820
02:45:13,380 --> 02:45:17,070
did to me the course of the last
two, three years, whatever,

2821
02:45:17,430 --> 02:45:21,060
opening an investigation on that
person, that attorney general

2822
02:45:21,060 --> 02:45:24,630
could tell a compliant United
States attorney to do just that.

2823
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:29,610
Talk to a compliant FBI director
who could be replaced by the the

2824
02:45:29,610 --> 02:45:32,490
President, to open any
investigation, and then to just

2825
02:45:32,520 --> 02:45:35,190
look through that person's life
and look for anything that you

2826
02:45:35,190 --> 02:45:40,260
possibly can find. And close to
say what you find in any

2827
02:45:40,260 --> 02:45:43,680
person's life that might run
afoul of the law. And even

2828
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:47,610
beyond that, the fact the mere
fact of an investigation of a

2829
02:45:47,610 --> 02:45:51,360
person who is a public figure
can be reputation ruining, can

2830
02:45:51,360 --> 02:45:54,510
be politically damaging, not
even if you find anything, just

2831
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:58,170
the fact that the investigation
itself exists. And if you've got

2832
02:45:58,170 --> 02:46:00,210
the full weight of the Justice
Department, the full weight of

2833
02:46:00,210 --> 02:46:03,900
the presidency, the full weight
of the FBI, focusing on somebody

2834
02:46:03,900 --> 02:46:07,800
like that, that can be extremely
damaging to not only that person

2835
02:46:07,830 --> 02:46:10,410
individually, but to our
democracy writ large.

2836
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,900
John C Dvorak: Exactly what
they've done, exactly what

2837
02:46:15,900 --> 02:46:18,180
they've done. It's an
unbelievable clip.

2838
02:46:19,020 --> 02:46:23,580
Adam Curry: And, you know, this
is a pre tip. This is before you

2839
02:46:23,580 --> 02:46:27,210
get the tip, this is just
showing you the tip, if someone

2840
02:46:27,240 --> 02:46:30,300
we are a constitutional
Republican American, a

2841
02:46:30,300 --> 02:46:33,600
constitutional representative
Republic, actually, if anyone

2842
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:37,770
says, that's a danger to
democracy, or you're a danger to

2843
02:46:37,770 --> 02:46:41,100
democracy, your answer should be
You're darn right. It is.

2844
02:46:41,820 --> 02:46:46,110
Democracy, the founding fathers
called the democracy, which is

2845
02:46:46,110 --> 02:46:49,140
what these people want. This has
to stop, we have to change our

2846
02:46:49,140 --> 02:46:54,810
words, stop using democracy.
Democracy is a threat to

2847
02:46:54,810 --> 02:46:57,810
democracy. Yeah, it's all a
threat to democracy as it should

2848
02:46:57,810 --> 02:47:02,460
be. That was my pre tip.

2849
02:47:04,200 --> 02:47:05,730
John C Dvorak: Okay, you

2850
02:47:05,730 --> 02:47:07,410
Adam Curry: know, like, I don't
have my pre trip, I'm sorry.

2851
02:47:08,310 --> 02:47:08,640
Back

2852
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:12,570
John C Dvorak: to this. I do
like it. So I have a couple of

2853
02:47:12,570 --> 02:47:15,210
clips from the last show that I
want to lay out because I've

2854
02:47:15,210 --> 02:47:18,180
decided that and I have a
thought on this. These are the

2855
02:47:18,180 --> 02:47:22,440
two clips of Trump off the hook.
One of them is very short.

2856
02:47:23,100 --> 02:47:25,890
They're both pretty short. But
let's start with Trump off the

2857
02:47:25,890 --> 02:47:26,880
hook. Georgia,

2858
02:47:26,970 --> 02:47:29,640
Unknown: former President Donald
Trump won two legal victories

2859
02:47:29,640 --> 02:47:33,150
today. In Georgia, the Court of
Appeals is delaying any action

2860
02:47:33,150 --> 02:47:36,570
on the election interference
case against Trump until October

2861
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:41,190
at the earliest. And a federal
judge in Florida is postponing

2862
02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:44,580
key hearings in the classified
documents case pending there.

2863
02:47:45,900 --> 02:47:48,450
John C Dvorak: It's all except
there's another clip that says

2864
02:47:48,450 --> 02:47:51,540
pretty much the same thing. And
I was listening to this stuff.

2865
02:47:51,540 --> 02:47:57,120
And I'm going oh, that's Oh,
yeah, the reason is because all

2866
02:47:57,120 --> 02:48:00,960
they wanted to do was be able to
use the term convicted felon.

2867
02:48:02,220 --> 02:48:05,550
And so these other cases are now
who cares what there was as a

2868
02:48:05,550 --> 02:48:11,040
mag, we already have him
convicted felon on 3234

2869
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:14,880
felonies. And so that's all you
need. That's all they wanted.

2870
02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:17,580
That's what they got. And so
these other cases are all going

2871
02:48:17,580 --> 02:48:20,820
to fall by the wayside. They're
never going to conclude we're

2872
02:48:20,820 --> 02:48:23,580
never going to hear about him
anymore about the documents and

2873
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:26,640
Mar a Lago or anything else
because they got what they

2874
02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:30,750
wanted the moniker that's all
they wanted was that they can

2875
02:48:30,750 --> 02:48:34,560
use in their in their promotions
for Joe Biden to get reelected

2876
02:48:34,560 --> 02:48:34,650
and

2877
02:48:34,650 --> 02:48:37,350
Adam Curry: I think you've seen
many of because you're on Tiktok

2878
02:48:37,350 --> 02:48:40,170
all the time. I'm think you've
seen the clips where people go,

2879
02:48:40,320 --> 02:48:43,500
Bob, yeah, I'm voting for a
convicted felon. I like it. I

2880
02:48:43,500 --> 02:48:46,950
mean, this is people are saying
this over and over again. Yeah,

2881
02:48:46,980 --> 02:48:50,910
I'm voting for for the guy who
who's a lesser criminal of all

2882
02:48:50,910 --> 02:48:54,210
of this stuff. It's a total
backfire. And you still gotta

2883
02:48:54,210 --> 02:48:58,020
wonder, isn't a just exactly
done to get him elected, so that

2884
02:48:58,020 --> 02:49:01,680
can do the big rug poll, and
then have everything collapse,

2885
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:05,490
including Nvidia. All of it, all
of it in one go.

2886
02:49:06,690 --> 02:49:09,330
John C Dvorak: Man was played. I
missed some analysis clips. I

2887
02:49:09,330 --> 02:49:12,360
want to play this one. There's
two of them. Actually. They're

2888
02:49:12,360 --> 02:49:15,180
pretty good dissent. This is NPR
they bring an analyst and they

2889
02:49:15,180 --> 02:49:22,230
talk about stuff. Play NPR
analysis, Trump 34. This is

2890
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:22,890
about that.

2891
02:49:23,400 --> 02:49:25,560
Unknown: been more than a week
since Donald Trump was convicted

2892
02:49:25,560 --> 02:49:29,460
on 34 felony charges? Still
early, of course. But any

2893
02:49:29,460 --> 02:49:31,290
indication if it's changing
votes,

2894
02:49:31,890 --> 02:49:34,500
I think we can say that the
conviction has overall been a

2895
02:49:34,500 --> 02:49:37,290
net negative for Trump, but
really only marginally. I mean,

2896
02:49:37,290 --> 02:49:40,350
that's what polls had showed
coming in that that was most

2897
02:49:40,350 --> 02:49:43,320
likely and it seems to be
playing out that way. So far,

2898
02:49:43,500 --> 02:49:46,650
it's only been a week. Since the
conviction. We'll see if this is

2899
02:49:46,650 --> 02:49:50,040
just a bump or something more
lasting. More important is

2900
02:49:50,040 --> 02:49:52,980
whether this moves any key
groups that had been wavering

2901
02:49:52,980 --> 02:49:56,190
about voting for Biden, in
particular, younger voters who

2902
02:49:56,190 --> 02:49:59,130
had been the most likely to say
beforehand that they could be

2903
02:49:59,130 --> 02:50:03,180
moved depending on on the on the
verdict. This election you know

2904
02:50:03,180 --> 02:50:06,060
is expected to be close. Any
movement on the margins could be

2905
02:50:06,060 --> 02:50:07,110
decisive, of course,

2906
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:10,709
John C Dvorak: way he saw he
talks about any key groups that

2907
02:50:10,709 --> 02:50:14,099
might be affected by this. And
he doesn't mention mentioned

2908
02:50:14,099 --> 02:50:20,069
black males. Well, no, no, they
started younger people are gonna

2909
02:50:20,069 --> 02:50:22,409
think twice about this. Black

2910
02:50:22,410 --> 02:50:25,170
Adam Curry: males don't exist
anymore for people at NPR.

2911
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:29,520
There's not a row not exist. You
nailed it. Yeah, they're not

2912
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:32,610
less than males are out. That's
right. They're no longer

2913
02:50:32,610 --> 02:50:33,420
important. Screw

2914
02:50:33,420 --> 02:50:38,010
John C Dvorak: you black males.
So streamers like blackmail?

2915
02:50:38,730 --> 02:50:43,020
Yeah. So I got one. Let me play
this clip to this the NPR

2916
02:50:43,020 --> 02:50:45,840
analysis about Ukraine and
Trump. President

2917
02:50:45,840 --> 02:50:49,050
Unknown: Biden is in France, as
we speak, to observe the 80th

2918
02:50:49,050 --> 02:50:52,770
anniversary of the D Day
landings in Normandy. speech, he

2919
02:50:52,770 --> 02:50:56,130
said the heroes of that day are
so many of us now.

2920
02:50:56,400 --> 02:51:00,600
They're not asking us to do
their job. They're asking us to

2921
02:51:00,600 --> 02:51:06,300
do our job to protect freedom in
our time, to defend democracy,

2922
02:51:06,660 --> 02:51:09,690
to stand up aggression of
democracy and at home

2923
02:51:10,470 --> 02:51:13,620
to Medeco. He didn't mention
Donald Trump by name. But

2924
02:51:14,490 --> 02:51:17,160
well, this is a huge dividing
line foreign policy between

2925
02:51:17,370 --> 02:51:19,650
Biden and Trump very different
approaches to the world and

2926
02:51:19,650 --> 02:51:22,200
their Biden is implicitly
warning against creeping

2927
02:51:22,200 --> 02:51:25,680
isolationism and separation from
allies suddenly in Trump has

2928
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:28,560
really made a hallmark of his
own foreign policy, really

2929
02:51:28,560 --> 02:51:31,320
turning more inward. Biden is
more of a traditionalist

2930
02:51:31,320 --> 02:51:34,590
believing that American
involvement moral leadership is

2931
02:51:34,590 --> 02:51:37,320
very important around the world
as obviously was the case in

2932
02:51:37,320 --> 02:51:40,680
World War Two and after it? Of
course, the backdrop of all this

2933
02:51:40,680 --> 02:51:43,200
is the war in Ukraine, you know,
Biden supports more funding of

2934
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:46,320
the war and standing behind the
country under siege from Russia.

2935
02:51:46,680 --> 02:51:49,020
With Trump, on the other hand,
you know, there are lots of

2936
02:51:49,020 --> 02:51:52,800
questions about maybe how much
territory would he encourage

2937
02:51:53,280 --> 02:51:57,090
Ukraine to give away to Russia
in order to get the war to end?

2938
02:51:57,180 --> 02:52:00,330
This is very different
approaches that we've seen from

2939
02:52:00,330 --> 02:52:03,660
Biden and from Trump, and very
different ways in which our

2940
02:52:03,660 --> 02:52:07,110
allies see the approach that the
United States could take,

2941
02:52:07,110 --> 02:52:07,980
depending on who wins

2942
02:52:07,980 --> 02:52:11,130
Adam Curry: this election. Your
analysis, your analysis, yeah,

2943
02:52:11,130 --> 02:52:15,630
John C Dvorak: P. Trump is an
obvious peacenik. And he'll do

2944
02:52:15,630 --> 02:52:18,540
anything to end a war, he
doesn't see any benefit in it.

2945
02:52:18,570 --> 02:52:21,960
He's a real estate guy, not a
military industrial complex guy.

2946
02:52:21,960 --> 02:52:24,090
And that's what's going to
happen. They have to do a reset

2947
02:52:24,090 --> 02:52:28,860
here. Now, taking it a little
more in depth where we think

2948
02:52:28,860 --> 02:52:31,200
that you know, this whole thing
may be a setup, just to get

2949
02:52:31,200 --> 02:52:35,790
Trump in for some reason or
other might have some influence

2950
02:52:35,790 --> 02:52:38,520
on that. But now he's, he's not
going to let this continue.

2951
02:52:38,550 --> 02:52:41,820
Right. As far as I can tell, I'm
going to be wrong. It's going to

2952
02:52:41,850 --> 02:52:44,550
turn into a war monger. I don't
see any evidence of it. Of

2953
02:52:44,550 --> 02:52:49,740
Adam Curry: course, the real
news is the the the new thing

2954
02:52:49,740 --> 02:52:53,790
that is sweeping, tick tock. Do
the Biden have you seen the dude

2955
02:52:53,790 --> 02:52:55,080
the Biden meme?

2956
02:52:56,610 --> 02:53:00,570
John C Dvorak: Yes, actually, I
I reposted it this morning.

2957
02:53:00,570 --> 02:53:02,970
Yeah. Do the body do the Biden
where

2958
02:53:02,970 --> 02:53:06,300
Adam Curry: you just kind of
squat down? Like poop like

2959
02:53:06,300 --> 02:53:08,850
you're pooping? Yeah. It's like
everyone's doing it. Now. Do the

2960
02:53:08,850 --> 02:53:12,510
Biden dance. It's it's a very
slow dance,

2961
02:53:12,840 --> 02:53:13,710
John C Dvorak: slow dance.

2962
02:53:15,210 --> 02:53:17,970
Unknown: I'm gonna show my
school by donating to no agenda.

2963
02:53:18,060 --> 02:53:20,820
Imagine all this evil who could
do that? Oh, yeah, that'd be

2964
02:53:20,820 --> 02:53:21,210
fun.

2965
02:53:28,290 --> 02:53:30,150
Adam Curry: We do have a couple
of meetups. We do have a

2966
02:53:30,150 --> 02:53:32,970
knighting. And we have some
title changes and of course some

2967
02:53:32,970 --> 02:53:36,030
birthdays. And we have some
people to thank our producers

2968
02:53:36,030 --> 02:53:40,320
who came in $50 and above right
under the executive producer

2969
02:53:40,320 --> 02:53:41,940
level. John, take us through the
50s

2970
02:53:41,970 --> 02:53:47,040
John C Dvorak: Well, let's start
with Natalie. Is s o l o t e s

2971
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:49,200
I'm not sure how to pronounce
it. She's in Claire's in New

2972
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:53,700
York. And she came in with 150
bucks, but she has a heartfelt

2973
02:53:53,700 --> 02:53:58,050
note that I read part of his
writing to make a donation on my

2974
02:53:58,050 --> 02:54:06,180
fiancee, Shani. hassy hasta
Qian, I think your podcast has

2975
02:54:06,180 --> 02:54:09,060
played a pivotal role in his
life and writing both

2976
02:54:09,060 --> 02:54:13,080
intellectual stimulation and a
crucial anchor anchor on his

2977
02:54:13,080 --> 02:54:17,550
journey to sobriety. Oh, about
we have a sobering podcast.

2978
02:54:18,570 --> 02:54:19,620
Adam Curry: Who would have
thunk?

2979
02:54:21,840 --> 02:54:24,600
John C Dvorak: Then she goes on
she was very flattering. Deborah

2980
02:54:24,600 --> 02:54:29,940
King and Mary at a Ohio 133 33
Sir Rob, with a birthday in

2981
02:54:29,940 --> 02:54:34,470
Tacoma, New South to home my New
South Wales Australia.

2982
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:37,980
Adam Curry: And a switcheroo for
a smokin hot wife Rhonda has

2983
02:54:38,130 --> 02:54:40,950
that sort of 62nd birthday.
Excellent. Yes.

2984
02:54:40,950 --> 02:54:42,900
John C Dvorak: Which are really
they fight a lot when he says

2985
02:54:42,930 --> 02:54:46,110
Adam Curry: but the making up 20
to 55 with their normal couple.

2986
02:54:46,140 --> 02:54:48,930
Yeah. And they said the makeup
afterwards is out of this world.

2987
02:54:56,400 --> 02:54:59,970
John C Dvorak: Marilyn Osborne
105 35 another switch your rooms

2988
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Hampshire with 100 bucks and

2989
02:55:03,900 --> 02:55:07,380
this donation is on behalf of
Steven Noseworthy.

2990
02:55:08,519 --> 02:55:11,669
Adam Curry: In loving memory of
his father Don knows, knows

2991
02:55:11,669 --> 02:55:15,119
where they went a great last
name and he wants a de douching

2992
02:55:15,119 --> 02:55:15,599
for Steve.

2993
02:55:17,640 --> 02:55:19,140
Unknown: Ben de deuced

2994
02:55:20,820 --> 02:55:24,870
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2995
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3019
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Adam Curry: Go there we go.

3020
02:57:54,150 --> 02:57:57,870
John C Dvorak: You send us some
African news. We won't use it

3021
02:57:57,870 --> 02:58:01,770
but said no, we will. We need to
backgrounders any we need

3022
02:58:01,770 --> 02:58:04,560
Adam Curry: Africa boots on the
ground or bare feet on the

3023
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:05,070
ground.

3024
02:58:08,220 --> 02:58:12,600
John C Dvorak: Gentlemen, bolter
and ranch ranch Santa Margarita.

3025
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3026
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3027
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misspell is Jackson, I'm pretty
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3028
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Tennessee. And that's our group
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3029
02:58:31,740 --> 02:58:34,380
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you again
to everybody who produces the

3030
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3031
02:58:37,050 --> 02:58:40,200
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They help during the slower

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3035
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that's just a pipe dream. So
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And Megan Schultz is turning 33
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3049
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believe I screwed screw that one
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3050
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meticulously. I'm sorry.

3051
02:59:59,700 --> 03:00:03,480
Don't Why don't we have a couple
of title changes? You've heard

3052
03:00:03,480 --> 03:00:07,380
the donations coming earlier Sir
Alex now becomes Baronet Alex

3053
03:00:07,380 --> 03:00:10,530
the NICU dad that's right we
know the NICU dad he's a

3054
03:00:10,530 --> 03:00:16,050
frequent attendee of the Austin
no agenda meetups by Count

3055
03:00:16,050 --> 03:00:20,130
hugger of kitties now becomes
count hugger of kitties. Good to

3056
03:00:20,130 --> 03:00:25,230
see that and Baronet Paul
becomes barren Paul the trusted

3057
03:00:25,230 --> 03:00:29,610
advisor all thanks to a another
level up in the peerage ladder

3058
03:00:29,610 --> 03:00:33,360
due to another aggregated $1,000
In total donation doesn't matter

3059
03:00:33,360 --> 03:00:36,780
how long it takes you can take
years you can become a new tech

3060
03:00:36,780 --> 03:00:40,410
you can get a new title or you
can become a knight or a dame we

3061
03:00:40,410 --> 03:00:43,740
have one on the list for today.
So if you can grab your blade

3062
03:00:43,740 --> 03:00:49,590
deck it should be a nice one
because it is Scott the welder

3063
03:00:49,590 --> 03:00:53,340
Scott step on up here out of the
podium buddy. Thanks for your

3064
03:00:53,340 --> 03:00:56,640
contribution to the best podcast
in the universe. I'm very proud

3065
03:00:56,640 --> 03:01:01,200
to pronounce the k d as Sir
Scott the welder blacksmith of

3066
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:05,010
the East for you. We had nothing
nothing special at the round

3067
03:01:05,010 --> 03:01:08,040
table so we of course have
hookers and blow for you my

3068
03:01:08,040 --> 03:01:10,140
friend or rent boys and
Chardonnay if that's what you're

3069
03:01:10,140 --> 03:01:12,630
into. It's all good redheads and
rise. We got beards of blondes.

3070
03:01:12,840 --> 03:01:15,750
We have Rubenesque woman and
Rosie geishas and sock a buck of

3071
03:01:15,750 --> 03:01:19,080
vanilla bong hits a bourbon,
sparkling cider and escorts

3072
03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:22,320
ginger ale and Jerboas breast
milk and pablum, but the

3073
03:01:22,320 --> 03:01:25,470
favorite is always here at the
round table for you it is the

3074
03:01:25,470 --> 03:01:29,340
mutton and the meat enjoy while
you head over to no agenda

3075
03:01:29,340 --> 03:01:33,030
rings.com You can give us your
ring size, there is a handy ring

3076
03:01:33,030 --> 03:01:36,690
sizing guide there and we'll
send that off to you post haste

3077
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:39,090
it is a signet ring so you can
see all your important

3078
03:01:39,090 --> 03:01:44,010
correspondence where they
actually want to thank oh I got

3079
03:01:44,010 --> 03:01:46,890
one of those in the PIO. I love
it when I get A a note in the

3080
03:01:46,890 --> 03:01:51,960
PIO box that sealed with with
with nightclub with night

3081
03:01:51,960 --> 03:01:55,680
sealing wax with nice ceiling
wax. Now this is actually from

3082
03:01:56,850 --> 03:02:00,630
one of our producers he is
Darius Dickerson, he is Sir

3083
03:02:00,630 --> 03:02:04,470
Darius unity night of the sand
hill people and he sent me his

3084
03:02:04,470 --> 03:02:09,300
book, unseen views of oaf
Operation Iraqi Freedom and so

3085
03:02:09,300 --> 03:02:13,290
we published this book and this
pictures that he took in his

3086
03:02:13,290 --> 03:02:16,980
rock in in Iraq during his tour
there and he writes a little

3087
03:02:16,980 --> 03:02:19,950
story under each page has a
picture and the one of the

3088
03:02:19,950 --> 03:02:25,140
funniest ones there's this this
is cement wall and spray painted

3089
03:02:25,140 --> 03:02:27,660
you know kind of look at the
military letters that they use

3090
03:02:27,660 --> 03:02:31,290
that they spray paint on all
their gear. It says Google W T C

3091
03:02:31,290 --> 03:02:36,420
seven please so the whole thing
is great Darius Dickerson

3092
03:02:36,420 --> 03:02:39,540
wartime snapshots Thank you very
much so that's what another

3093
03:02:39,540 --> 03:02:42,720
thing you can do with your with
your night ring and your ceiling

3094
03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:44,400
wax no one

3095
03:02:50,400 --> 03:02:53,550
always like a party we heard
earlier connection is protection

3096
03:02:53,550 --> 03:02:56,250
you know it is that's why you
need to find your tribe but uh,

3097
03:02:56,250 --> 03:02:59,970
no agenda meet up no agenda
meetups.com The 11th northwest

3098
03:02:59,970 --> 03:03:03,990
Houston meetup sir economic
hitman says it was a success. We

3099
03:03:03,990 --> 03:03:08,430
had myself the economic hitman
Ben H. David and Aleksey Tim,

3100
03:03:08,430 --> 03:03:11,820
who is Timbo slice on NAS our
first non listener first

3101
03:03:11,820 --> 03:03:18,000
fediverse attendee fonder from
Palast POA s dot SPO a.st. We

3102
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:20,760
talked about depositions, the
Eastern Orthodox Church, the

3103
03:03:20,760 --> 03:03:24,330
fediverse, Trump COVID And
Samuel L. Jackson. Next meet up

3104
03:03:24,360 --> 03:03:27,420
either late July or early
August. Find my contact info by

3105
03:03:27,420 --> 03:03:30,870
going to the latest meetup pages
on no agenda meetups.com. And we

3106
03:03:30,870 --> 03:03:34,710
got a recorded report here from
the Denver meetup. Hey, folks,

3107
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:39,690
Unknown: welcome from the Denver
City parks meet up. It's the

3108
03:03:39,690 --> 03:03:41,520
80th anniversary of D Day.

3109
03:03:41,730 --> 03:03:43,770
And with all due respect from
Joe Biden,

3110
03:03:43,950 --> 03:03:46,290
I think a lot of people shit
themselves on the beach of the

3111
03:03:46,290 --> 03:03:47,850
day. This

3112
03:03:47,850 --> 03:03:52,740
is Colin, this is the thing I am
saying right now and I hope you

3113
03:03:52,740 --> 03:03:55,140
are having a great day in the
morning. This

3114
03:03:55,140 --> 03:03:59,010
is Sir soothsayer. I'm working
on building my bus. And I for

3115
03:03:59,010 --> 03:03:59,790
one did not put

3116
03:03:59,790 --> 03:04:00,600
myself today.

3117
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:04,200
It's just assumption we're just
checking in in the morning over

3118
03:04:04,200 --> 03:04:07,350
at the city park and come by and
visit us next time

3119
03:04:08,010 --> 03:04:10,380
Adam Curry: for me to out.
Sounds like someone brought the

3120
03:04:10,380 --> 03:04:13,230
gummies Alright, thank you very
much Denver meetups on the

3121
03:04:13,230 --> 03:04:16,860
horizon. Today there is a
southwest New Hampshire meetup,

3122
03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:20,070
which is underway as we speak at
Keene local burger. We've got

3123
03:04:20,070 --> 03:04:24,270
the Thursday the meet of 333
central golf balls meet up at

3124
03:04:24,270 --> 03:04:27,540
Riverside Park, the leech
Amphitheater in Oshkosh,

3125
03:04:27,780 --> 03:04:31,650
Wisconsin. And coming up we've
got Virginia Mosley, Virginia,

3126
03:04:31,650 --> 03:04:35,700
Ohio, San Diego, of course the
big meet up on June 15. at

3127
03:04:35,700 --> 03:04:39,090
Schiphol Airport in the
Netherlands. I will be there. I

3128
03:04:39,090 --> 03:04:41,490
think over 100 people have
already registered it's going to

3129
03:04:41,490 --> 03:04:44,880
be a Hootenanny, Pennsylvania,
Arizona, Georgia, North

3130
03:04:44,880 --> 03:04:47,730
Carolina, Fort Wayne, Indiana
Edmonds, Washington, Central

3131
03:04:47,730 --> 03:04:51,180
Ohio, Tilburg, the Netherlands
on the 23rd. The list goes on

3132
03:04:51,180 --> 03:04:54,090
and on. All the way through to
July is what I'm seeing here,

3133
03:04:54,090 --> 03:04:56,610
but they even are registered
beyond that. Go to no agenda

3134
03:04:56,610 --> 03:05:00,930
meetups.com to find out exactly
where you can find Your tribe,

3135
03:05:00,960 --> 03:05:05,430
your people. And there's never
an argument at these at these

3136
03:05:05,430 --> 03:05:08,370
meetups net Well, there may be
discussions but no one ever gets

3137
03:05:08,370 --> 03:05:11,730
mad. There's never no fist
fighting breaking out. It's just

3138
03:05:11,730 --> 03:05:15,930
a good time and you will have a
group of people typically they

3139
03:05:16,020 --> 03:05:19,740
get a telegram group together
and you all talk to each other

3140
03:05:19,740 --> 03:05:23,280
and you organize things and
you're protected because you

3141
03:05:23,280 --> 03:05:26,310
have been connected no agenda
meet ups.com If you can't find

3142
03:05:26,310 --> 03:05:29,100
one near you start one yourself.
It's easy and a party

3143
03:05:31,710 --> 03:05:41,370
Unknown: with all the nights and
days you won't be triggered. You

3144
03:05:41,370 --> 03:05:44,820
wouldn't be safe

3145
03:05:46,860 --> 03:05:52,290
Adam Curry: is like a bar. Like
a pie. Like a party everybody

3146
03:05:52,290 --> 03:05:55,110
like a party? I have to I
suppose. You have a lot. Why

3147
03:05:55,110 --> 03:05:57,360
don't you go first? You got a
lot of ISOs today. So

3148
03:05:58,350 --> 03:06:02,220
John C Dvorak: these are all
experimental. ISOs Okay,

3149
03:06:02,490 --> 03:06:05,520
Adam Curry: experimental ISOs it
is everybody who

3150
03:06:05,550 --> 03:06:09,060
John C Dvorak: can happen. Start
with the top one. Enjoy. Okay,

3151
03:06:09,060 --> 03:06:15,000
here we go. They'll enjoy the
food. Yeah, okay. Forbidden

3152
03:06:15,660 --> 03:06:15,990
which

3153
03:06:16,020 --> 03:06:17,400
Unknown: is forbidden in Islam.

3154
03:06:18,990 --> 03:06:25,530
Adam Curry: Okay. Horrible.
Horrible. The I liked that one.

3155
03:06:26,130 --> 03:06:27,000
Nice and clean.

3156
03:06:27,510 --> 03:06:28,350
John C Dvorak: Thank you.

3157
03:06:28,440 --> 03:06:30,360
Unknown: Thank you. very

3158
03:06:30,360 --> 03:06:33,270
Adam Curry: experimental, and a
classic

3159
03:06:34,770 --> 03:06:37,950
John C Dvorak: is a new Wow.
Wow. That's

3160
03:06:37,950 --> 03:06:40,590
Adam Curry: probably the best
one. That's a good wow. But I

3161
03:06:40,590 --> 03:06:43,920
don't know I may. I may have you
beat here. Let's try this one

3162
03:06:43,950 --> 03:06:48,450
country. ganda hell. Come on.

3163
03:06:48,720 --> 03:06:50,430
John C Dvorak: Come on. Get to
do the show.

3164
03:06:50,790 --> 03:06:53,460
Unknown: That is insane. Yeah.

3165
03:06:56,280 --> 03:06:58,680
Adam Curry: Borderline
borderline Well, what do you

3166
03:06:58,680 --> 03:07:00,630
what do you like? Man, I

3167
03:07:00,630 --> 03:07:01,980
John C Dvorak: think was the
rest of yours.

3168
03:07:02,010 --> 03:07:03,720
Adam Curry: I only had to I
don't wish that I had to. Thank

3169
03:07:03,720 --> 03:07:07,410
you. I think the Thank you.
Maybe I can do that. Wow. Thank

3170
03:07:07,410 --> 03:07:10,350
you. And while together, let me
see. Because that might actually

3171
03:07:10,350 --> 03:07:13,200
be a little better. Hold on. Let
me see.

3172
03:07:13,620 --> 03:07:14,850
Unknown: Thank you. Wow.

3173
03:07:16,020 --> 03:07:17,310
John C Dvorak: It's still at the
other way around.

3174
03:07:17,520 --> 03:07:22,950
Adam Curry: Wow. Thank you. Wow,
thank you. You call it Which way

3175
03:07:22,950 --> 03:07:25,800
do you want it? I know it's hard
to grow.

3176
03:07:25,830 --> 03:07:28,200
John C Dvorak: Thank you is it
doesn't have the same intonation

3177
03:07:28,200 --> 03:07:29,070
as the wow.

3178
03:07:30,750 --> 03:07:32,550
Adam Curry: I think thank you.
Thank you. And then how about

3179
03:07:32,550 --> 03:07:33,810
horrible and

3180
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:35,490
John C Dvorak: horrible and
thank you

3181
03:07:37,950 --> 03:07:41,580
Adam Curry: see, I didn't like
the horrible.

3182
03:07:43,170 --> 03:07:45,360
Unknown: Horrible Thank you
know, just

3183
03:07:45,360 --> 03:07:47,370
Adam Curry: do Thank you. I'm
done with this. We'll just do

3184
03:07:47,370 --> 03:07:51,330
thank you. And now ladies and
gentlemen. It is time for you

3185
03:07:51,330 --> 03:07:52,350
know what it's time for.

3186
03:07:53,850 --> 03:08:00,630
Unknown: Mastery. You just JC?
And sometimes.

3187
03:08:03,630 --> 03:08:08,160
Adam Curry: Hey, ma'am. That's a
jingle that's a jingle right

3188
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:11,610
there. Thank you. Sure. All
right, what's your tip?

3189
03:08:12,300 --> 03:08:14,130
John C Dvorak: Let's say you had
to know

3190
03:08:14,160 --> 03:08:17,610
Adam Curry: you were going to do
a tip off. You do the tip than I

3191
03:08:17,610 --> 03:08:18,330
do a tip.

3192
03:08:19,710 --> 03:08:23,550
John C Dvorak: I got a tip. Want
you to do this for people who

3193
03:08:23,550 --> 03:08:29,250
this is a tip for people who
have the habit of drinking soda

3194
03:08:29,310 --> 03:08:34,980
or water or whatever. And dosh
dashing it with a bunch of apple

3195
03:08:34,980 --> 03:08:39,690
cider vinegar is either for
health benefits, gut health and

3196
03:08:39,690 --> 03:08:46,050
have a leaky gut, gut health or
losing weight. Go to go to

3197
03:08:46,440 --> 03:08:52,290
amazon.com and get the
hengstenberg 13 fine herbs

3198
03:08:52,530 --> 03:08:58,320
flavored German vinegar
seasoning instead. And use that

3199
03:08:58,620 --> 03:09:03,000
instead of apple cider vinegar.
It is delicious in in like I'm

3200
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:06,390
using it now that Topo Chico,
you dump a bunch of onion, like

3201
03:09:06,390 --> 03:09:09,960
a tablespoon of the vinegar into
the water and you get something

3202
03:09:09,960 --> 03:09:14,490
that's refreshing and delicious.
It's Kingston hengstenberg. You

3203
03:09:14,490 --> 03:09:17,880
can look it up by putting herb
flavored vinegar and you'll find

3204
03:09:17,880 --> 03:09:20,910
a bunch of people that make
these things. Alright.

3205
03:09:22,230 --> 03:09:25,050
Adam Curry: I have three tips
actually, for my tip, tip one

3206
03:09:25,050 --> 03:09:29,610
read Yes. Tip one. Never ever
asked your wife to help you with

3207
03:09:29,610 --> 03:09:34,050
the tip. She was very mad that
you should do your own tip.

3208
03:09:34,440 --> 03:09:41,190
Second tip. Sending email to me.
Mark important puts you to the

3209
03:09:41,190 --> 03:09:46,890
bottom of the list. Do you see
this? People who send email and

3210
03:09:46,890 --> 03:09:51,330
then go through the trouble of
marking it important and then

3211
03:09:51,360 --> 03:09:56,940
even asking for a return
receipt. bottom of the list.

3212
03:09:56,970 --> 03:09:59,340
John C Dvorak: I haven't had
that probably for 10 years.

3213
03:09:59,400 --> 03:10:01,950
Adam Curry: Oh it has happens
every day in my email program

3214
03:10:01,950 --> 03:10:02,130
which

3215
03:10:02,130 --> 03:10:04,050
John C Dvorak: because you never
answer your email, I'm very,

3216
03:10:05,160 --> 03:10:07,110
very good at answering emails,
or

3217
03:10:07,110 --> 03:10:08,970
Adam Curry: you don't even
answer my email. What are you

3218
03:10:08,970 --> 03:10:12,150
talking about? Now because on
Thunderbird which I've been

3219
03:10:12,150 --> 03:10:17,190
using to great success
Thunderbird, actually, it shows

3220
03:10:17,190 --> 03:10:20,250
up as red and then it's very
annoying. So I just delete

3221
03:10:20,250 --> 03:10:22,710
John C Dvorak: it when I see
okay, well that's no good. And

3222
03:10:23,100 --> 03:10:24,150
disable that coloring.

3223
03:10:24,180 --> 03:10:27,480
Adam Curry: And finally, if you
are if you are a fan of, of

3224
03:10:27,480 --> 03:10:31,350
making coffee with ground
coffee, so in a filter or the

3225
03:10:31,350 --> 03:10:38,310
way I do it, which is with the
French press, put a dash of salt

3226
03:10:38,910 --> 03:10:46,380
on top of your coffee. It not
only reduces bitterness, but it

3227
03:10:46,380 --> 03:10:51,120
also brings prosperity to your
family. Hmm

3228
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:56,160
John C Dvorak: Yeah, them some
dead dad some dangerously good

3229
03:10:56,160 --> 03:11:03,870
Unknown: tips. John C. With the
tip of the day, he's gonna tell

3230
03:11:03,870 --> 03:11:10,620
us what he would do in every
possible way. John, just

3231
03:11:11,190 --> 03:11:15,210
Adam Curry: There you go. We got
to work on it. The jingles are

3232
03:11:15,210 --> 03:11:18,900
better than the tip so far, but
we're working on it, working on

3233
03:11:18,900 --> 03:11:23,130
it. And some other tips but I
decided against them. Just gonna

3234
03:11:23,130 --> 03:11:28,320
go with these tips. Thank you
all very much trolls for tuning

3235
03:11:28,320 --> 03:11:32,190
in. I wouldn't go away if I were
you because coming right up on

3236
03:11:32,190 --> 03:11:36,270
the screen we have that Larry
show that Larry who donates to

3237
03:11:36,270 --> 03:11:40,650
this show. He is the one with
the big pipes. The big heavy

3238
03:11:40,650 --> 03:11:45,390
voice and he will be unmasking
demons on today's show. Whoa,

3239
03:11:45,510 --> 03:11:50,190
whoo. We got some major show
mixes Professor Jay Jones, winds

3240
03:11:50,190 --> 03:11:55,110
it all up for us with he's from
China. So be careful before they

3241
03:11:55,110 --> 03:11:58,920
route you send you away or back
or whatever it is. And where are

3242
03:11:58,920 --> 03:12:03,360
the people doing songs John
wanted to know we need more

3243
03:12:03,420 --> 03:12:07,050
parody songs coming to you from
the heart of the Texas hill

3244
03:12:07,050 --> 03:12:10,440
country here in Fredericksburg,
Texas in the morning, everybody.

3245
03:12:10,770 --> 03:12:11,460
I'm Adam curry.

3246
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:13,920
John C Dvorak: And from Northern
Silicon Valley, where

3247
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:17,100
everybody's wondering why we
haven't got good end of show

3248
03:12:17,100 --> 03:12:19,050
mixes anymore. I'm John C.
Dvorak.

3249
03:12:19,050 --> 03:12:22,140
Adam Curry: Remember us at no
agenda donations.com or for the

3250
03:12:22,140 --> 03:12:26,820
old schoolers. DeVore ak.org/na.
until Thursday, everybody have a

3251
03:12:26,820 --> 03:12:31,680
great Sunday. Adios mofos a hui
Hui, and such

3252
03:12:34,320 --> 03:12:38,850
Unknown: data that tell the
truth is a bad idea. You want to

3253
03:12:39,300 --> 03:12:40,740
call it a difficult

3254
03:12:42,390 --> 03:12:45,930
game these days? Want to wait
for us to get vaccinated?

3255
03:12:47,580 --> 03:12:52,860
When you make it difficult for
people in their lives their

3256
03:12:52,860 --> 03:12:56,340
ideological bullshit telling the
truth can be dangerous.

3257
03:12:58,500 --> 03:13:04,980
Dangerous business is that
brilliant. When you make it

3258
03:13:05,130 --> 03:13:09,870
difficult for people in their
lives they lose their

3259
03:13:09,870 --> 03:13:11,760
ideological bullshit children

3260
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:17,310
in school. were put in class
dangerous business forced to

3261
03:13:17,310 --> 03:13:20,160
wear masks. muzzled no one there
still and

3262
03:13:20,160 --> 03:13:24,390
the truth is, is scary to you
belong in prison,

3263
03:13:24,840 --> 03:13:31,710
Dr. Fauci while you and all your
cronies get paid from big pharma

3264
03:13:33,660 --> 03:13:37,380
your repulsive evil science
telling the truth

3265
03:13:37,380 --> 03:13:42,840
every day. Honest and popular
don't go in the county or

3266
03:13:42,840 --> 03:13:50,310
something. If you admit that,
you know you're gonna live in

3267
03:13:50,310 --> 03:13:52,260
this world that brilliant.

3268
03:13:53,130 --> 03:13:58,560
This is your own email. You just
keep effective in keeping out of

3269
03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:02,100
the virus when you make it
difficult for people in their

3270
03:14:02,100 --> 03:14:05,940
lives for crimes against
humanity to understand many

3271
03:14:05,940 --> 03:14:09,450
respected their ideological
bullshit

3272
03:14:09,600 --> 03:14:12,030
while you and all your cronies
get paid.

3273
03:14:16,230 --> 03:14:24,150
You were lucky when Dr. Fauci
did that to you because Dr. Idea

3274
03:14:24,360 --> 03:14:28,020
don't understand the meaning
respect to telling the truth

3275
03:14:28,620 --> 03:14:30,630
becomes this huge.

3276
03:14:33,450 --> 03:14:36,030
Dr. House where

3277
03:14:38,520 --> 03:14:40,740
are you in our rock and roll
band?

3278
03:14:43,350 --> 03:14:46,920
Training School were printed
plastic bubbles.

3279
03:14:47,730 --> 03:14:49,200
Is that brilliant?

3280
03:14:50,100 --> 03:14:55,500
Everybody by me has an AIPAC
person. It's like you're babysat

3281
03:14:55,500 --> 03:14:56,940
or you're a pack babysitter.

3282
03:14:57,450 --> 03:14:58,560
Little wall tape

3283
03:14:58,620 --> 03:15:02,820
sticks to the wall. sent me in
and they picked Person C sharp

3284
03:15:02,820 --> 03:15:03,990
and got your cell number.

3285
03:15:05,490 --> 03:15:09,510
Like Gil. Now that's wrong what
AIPAC is doing. Let me talk to

3286
03:15:09,510 --> 03:15:14,400
my AIPAC person. Has the
Congressman been to Israel and

3287
03:15:14,400 --> 03:15:20,310
all the others fight? They don't
have a Germany dude. I'll talk

3288
03:15:20,310 --> 03:15:21,480
to my APEC guy and see.

3289
03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:27,120
Is there any other Republican
who has to do something?

3290
03:15:29,280 --> 03:15:31,140
Why would they want to tell
their constituents?

3291
03:15:32,460 --> 03:15:33,780
I wish I could vote

3292
03:15:33,780 --> 03:15:34,710
with you today.

3293
03:15:35,070 --> 03:15:38,970
Brooke, every member has some
interest firmly embedded in

3294
03:15:39,000 --> 03:15:39,660
AIPAC.

3295
03:15:40,950 --> 03:15:42,660
I'll talk to my AIPAC person.

3296
03:15:44,130 --> 03:15:48,960
They've got your cell number. Is
there any other Republican who

3297
03:15:48,960 --> 03:15:49,560
has your

3298
03:15:52,020 --> 03:15:56,670
study by me has an AIPAC person
like your babysitter, your APEC,

3299
03:15:56,670 --> 03:16:03,000
babysitter? They don't have a
job. That's wrong. What AIPAC is

3300
03:16:03,000 --> 03:16:10,800
doing. Let me talk to my APEC
person has an APEC person. I'll

3301
03:16:10,800 --> 03:16:12,030
talk to my APEC guide

3302
03:16:22,740 --> 03:16:29,790
mobo boruch.org/in Wow.