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MuckTales Adam Curry, John C.

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Dvorak It's Sunday, January 19, 2025 This is

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your award-winning GiveOnNation Media Assassination Episode 1731

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This is no agenda Plowing through SCOTUS briefs

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And broadcasting live from the heart of the

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Texas Hill Country Here in FEMA Region No.

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6 In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry

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And from Northern Silicon Valley We're all discovering

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somehow, somehow That things are cheap in China

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I'm John C.

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Dvorak It's Crackpot and Buzzkill In the morning

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Yeah, things are very cheap in China Very,

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very cheap in China Have you seen, noticed

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the charm offensive?

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Oh, I've seen, I have a lot to

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see and to talk about But what charm

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offensive are you talking about?

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Of the Chinese?

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Oh, things, so I got, I didn't get

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any clips on this But it's become a

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big deal As I've seen a number of

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them, I just haven't collected them Of all

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these, usually young TikTokers who They're not on

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TikTok anymore So they went to this Red

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Book thing Red Note, which is right out

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of China Red Note Yeah, Red, whatever it

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is, it's Chinese And they're going on and

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on about Oh, you know, things are so

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cheap in China And they're so, I'm thinking

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that Oh brother, you know So I got

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a note this morning From Catherine, our un

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-reconstructed hippie woman That lives in Thailand Wait

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a minute, un-reconstructed?

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Yeah, I think she's still a hippie Oh,

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okay Yeah, she's the one with the helipad,

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isn't she?

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I don't know if she's got a helipad

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or not No, no, no, she's not the

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helipad She's a Bitcoin billionaire Oh yeah, that's

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the one, yeah And she has the apartment

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If you know AgendaList, you can stay there

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That's right, yeah, no, that's a different one

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She goes on, she says, oh, I didn't

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realize A friend of mine just came back

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from Shanghai And everything's so modern there And

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it's cheap So, when I first went to

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China in the 90s Early 90s Yeah, it

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was cheap then, too It's cheap in China,

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hello And so, yeah, they have a maglev

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train from the airport Why is it cheap

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in China?

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Why?

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Well, because nobody gets paid a lot of

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money, eh?

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And?

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And it's controlled by the Chinese There you

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go And in China, everything's best priced Best

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price So, it's not new that things are

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cheap in China And they're very modern And

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the key is I don't know when that

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maglev train went We don't even have them

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in this country No They have the maglev

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train We can't even get a regular train

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from LA to San Francisco No, of course

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not They've got maglevs that do 300, 400

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miles an hour Yeah Go live there, go

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live there It's great, go live there Good

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luck with the smog Before we get into

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anything The topic of the day, amongst many

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Has got to be this weather We begin

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with this morning's top story Dangerously low, life

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-threatening temperatures sweeping across the country Life-threatening

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More than 100 million people from the plains

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to the northeast Are under winter weather alerts

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Hottest year on record Even the deep south

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won't escape the deep freeze Several cities have

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already declared weather emergencies As the back-to

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-back winter storms Bring heavy winds and snow

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25 degrees this morning in the hill country

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to snow I don't know There's no snow

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predicted If it is, that'll be fun Yeah,

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that's what I was thinking I've been to

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Texas once when it was snowing Remember Nobody

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knows what the hell's going on Remember I

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got that generator for a reason To ensure

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that I never need it ever Yeah, 25

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degrees is a bit chilly there Yeah, and

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wind Wind We got a wind We got

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a wind I want to do China and

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TikTok But I have a lot to do

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So let's get a couple other things out

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of the way I got a lot of

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TikTok clips Mostly about the fact that Trump's

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Not going to be inaugurated tomorrow Well, let's

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start with the inauguration Itself and then we'll

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get into that I learned quite a lot

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by Listening to the entire Supreme Court discussion

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Which I do As a public service I

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might add Public service Where was it?

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It's everywhere They stream the whole conversation Audio

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only, no video That's why no one cares

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I like that This was actually very informative

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In a number of ways And so before

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we get Into that, let's talk about the

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big day tomorrow Big day, big day, big

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day Trump day one Day one for the

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new Trump administration What more are you learning

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about his first moves And this immigration crackdown

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Yeah, crackdown The president came to town with

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a whole bunch Of executive orders ready to

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be signed This will be a Very busy

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first day for the president Certainly border security

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Border security and deportations Are at the top

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of his list He campaigned on those issues

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Those will be among the executive orders he

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signs And yes, his borders are Tom Homan

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says that they are looking at Preparing to

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do raids And deportations Almost immediately after Trump

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Takes office They'll focus, it's important to say

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He says they will focus immediately on those

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Who are in the United States illegally And

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have committed crimes He's gonna sign them in

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the limo So that was ABC and that

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was Jonathan Karl Yeah, yeah He hates Trump

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This morning I saw J6 or Jenny At

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church and she had her American flag jacket

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American flag pants J6 Jenny?

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Remember she hosted the meetup here in Fredericksburg

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She has a I love that nickname J6

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or Jenny, oh yeah She's fantastic And J6

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or Jenny She's part of our club man

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Yeah I'll bet And she's all excited, she's

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I'm gonna be celebrating My Tomorrow if she

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gets her Pardon She'll be celebrating pardon day

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I sure hope he does it No he's

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gonna do it But he promised he would

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do it Remember the tiny desk He's got

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the tiny desk right next to him If

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the tiny desk shows up That'd be great

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Ready to go on the tiny desk And

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now things have changed And we'll get into

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the immigration stuff a bit later on But

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things have changed due to The hottest year

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on record Good evening and we begin tonight

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here with the breaking news Involving President-elect

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Trump's inauguration The carefully orchestrated plans for the

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inauguration Now shifting tonight To three days before

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he takes the oath of office Dangerously cold

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weather Forcing his ceremony indoors This is the

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first time since Ronald Reagan in 1985 The

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forecast calling for potentially The coldest inauguration day

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in 40 years 23 degrees The wind chill

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making it feel like 7 degrees For much

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of the day Flags, seats and the staging

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area of course Have been already set up

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for Monday's ceremony Crews have been working around

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the clock On this for months They are

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now racing to prepare the capital rotunda For

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what will be a much smaller event But

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a warmer one So what does this mean

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for the vast majority Of ticketed guests President

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-elect Trump saying quote Tonight this will be

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a very beautiful experience for all And especially

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for the large TV audience It's going to

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be beautiful It's going to be the best

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ever Smallest crowd ever Smallest ever in history

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Monday's forecast high for Washington Is 23 degrees

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Tonight a rush to reimagine the day's festivities

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While the massive outdoor platform Could seat more

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than a thousand The rotunda will only be

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able to hold Several hundred guests Tonight the

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joint congressional inaugural committee Acknowledging the vast majority

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of Ticketed guests will not be able to

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attend The ceremonies in person Among those who

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will be allowed in People with tickets for

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the presidential platform And members of congress Another

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major change There will no longer be an

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inaugural parade Down Pennsylvania Avenue Instead after a

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swearing in Trump will travel to the nearby

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Capital One Arena To hold a celebration event

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there This will be a very beautiful experience

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For all promises the president-elect Everyone will

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be safe Everyone will be happy It will

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be very beautiful I love that he's of

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course It's going to be a great television

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production Perfect You can never really produce a

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great television production on the steps there You

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know what I mean It's chaos And you

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gotta have that big shield up and everything

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The bulletproof stuff And everyone's shivering And now

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you can control the sounds Be much better

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for Our country girl, what's her name Who's

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singing the national anthem Yeah, Courtney Cox Yeah,

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that one No, what's her name What's her

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name now American Idol winner Yeah, what's her

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name She's so famous that we can't remember

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her name No, that's low-T, John That's

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low-T It's just low-T Carrie Underwood,

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there we go Thank you Trolls, Carrie Underwood

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Of course we have some very important guests

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Really, it's stunning Who we'll have President-elect

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Trump revealed today that he spoke with China's

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president Xi Jinping on the phone today Discussing

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not just TikTok But also trade and fentanyl

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and other topics CBS News Chief Foreign Affairs

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Correspondent And Moderator of Face the Nation Margaret

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Brennan is here And Margaret Donald Trump Invited

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the communist leader To come to inauguration But

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is he coming He's not, but Xi Jinping

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is sending a special representative In his place,

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his vice president Also a high-ranking Chinese

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Communist Party official It's highly unusual, not just

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because of protocol But also because of the

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moment of time we are in Yeah, moment

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of time It's highly unusual because it's never

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been done No, no, no It's highly unusual

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because China China Has been hacking us Just

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today the Biden administration Revealed that they have

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identified the hackers Who not just breached the

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US treasury But burrowed into nine different US

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telecom companies Burrowed, Xi Jinping Wang is one

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of them Way too low is another guy

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They burrowed in But burrowed into nine different

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US telecom companies To siphon up American Burrowed

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in Well wait, there's a reason she's saying

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that But burrowed into nine different US telecom

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companies To siphon up American Phone call data

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So wait, so they burrowed in To siphon

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up And we know that Trump's own national

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security advisor Mike Walsh has said They planted

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cyber time bombs In US infrastructure What is

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a cyber time bomb It's ticking, it's ticking

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It's TikTok ticking Cyber time bomb It's just

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waiting to go off And to blow up

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our phones It's the cyber time bomb Mike

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Walsh has said they planted cyber time bombs

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In US infrastructure This is the Chinese These

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could be used in the event of future

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conflict And the US can't get them out

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We can't get them out We suck Wait

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a minute What did she say What do

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you mean you can't get them out They're

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cyber time bombs, we can't get them out

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Well there it is is right there.

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We can't get it out.

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Because we're no good.

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You know, it's there.

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You can get it out.

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She's full of shit.

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We don't because we don't know what wire

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to cut the blue one or the yellow

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one.

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It's very, very scary.

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China.

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Yes, they've burrowed in.

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They're siphoning it off and they planted cyber

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time bombs.

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But wait, there's more.

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We got Nazis.

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There's also some other foreign leaders that have

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been invited attending that are raising eyebrows.

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Right.

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There are Nora.

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In fact, a European diplomat said, are your

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eyebrows raised at this minute?

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My eyebrows are just going through the roof.

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There's also some other foreign leaders that have

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been invited attending that are raising eyebrows.

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Right.

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There are Nora.

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In fact, a European diplomat said to me

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just yesterday, it's pretty disconcerting that two leaders

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of a German far right anti-immigrant group

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known as the AFD are attending.

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Their leaders espoused Nazi propaganda slogans.

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They've been condemned by their own government, but

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they will be attending the inauguration.

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Robert Brennan, thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Yes.

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Talk about that AFD woman.

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Yeah.

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She's the one.

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She's been on TV.

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She's the liberal lesbian, the libertarian lesbian.

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Libertarian conservative is what she calls herself.

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She's this bull crap.

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They keep calling him far right and all

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the rest of it.

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Yeah.

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Just to besmirch them.

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And it's just a propaganda trick.

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And CBS is all in on it, I

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guess.

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Communist broadcasting system.

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Hello.

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Might as well start early.

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Get in and get in on the ground.

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So hopefully everything will go well tomorrow.

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We want everyone to be safe.

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Well, now we should discuss the rumors of

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why they're moving it inside because of the

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security threat.

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Yes, because Alex Jones had a profit on.

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And besides the profit, the profit.

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He saw it was a it was an

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attack, multiple cities.

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It was thousands of ISIS fighters.

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And by the way, this is the guy

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who predicted that Trump would be shot in

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the ear.

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Yes, I know.

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I followed this, so.

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Well, the more the more the more credible

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I think bull crap was the incredible bull

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crap.

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That's actually a good show title.

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Credible bull crap.

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Yes.

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Credible bull crap is the fact that and

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and this all occurs that people like to

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tie this stuff together and goes like this.

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Well, you know, since they took the the

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they took the the blocking off the DJI

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drone so they can now fly in a

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restricted area, they're going to have a couple

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of those big, you know, some of these

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drones are the size of a Cadillac six

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feet in diameter.

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They're huge.

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They're huge.

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And they're going to drive a couple of

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those babies into the podium.

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They're not bulletproof glass or not.

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They're going to take these two drones because

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they can now go into these areas where

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there's restricted fly risk flight restrictions.

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And they're going to slam into the whole

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process and just just by sheer brute force

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and maybe a bomb, blow up the whole

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whole inauguration ceremony.

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So just move it inside.

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Wow.

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That was the best one.

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I thought that was the most and that

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was kind of believable.

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Yeah.

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Well, again, let's just hope everybody stays safe.

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Everybody stay safe.

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Stay safe, everybody.

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Yeah, I like the Alex Jones guy.

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I mean, it was it was so outrageous.

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I didn't even clip it.

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I'm like, I didn't clip it either.

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I really did.

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It's like, actually, I have a few more

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here.

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Because in attendance will also be many of

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Trump's appointees.

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And ABC went through some of those.

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Should we play those?

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I guess.

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Sure.

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OK, on Capitol Hill, President elect Trump's pick

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to oversee America's economy.

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Billionaire Scott Besson, pressed by senators about the

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president elect's plan to boost the economy, cuts

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tariffs and what the nominee said today about

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sanctions on Russia amid the war with Ukraine.

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Rachel Scott on the Hill tonight.

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Hit it, Rachel.

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Tonight, the man president elect Donald Trump has

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chosen to guide the American economy and tackle

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inflation, taking center stage on Capitol Hill.

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Treasury Secretary nominee Scott Besson, a billionaire investor

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and hedge fund manager.

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Today, I believe that President Trump has a

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generational opportunity to unleash a new economic golden

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age that will create more jobs, wealth and

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prosperity for all Americans.

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Republican senators asking Besson to outline the stakes

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of Congress fails to achieve one of Trump's

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top priorities, extending his signature 2017 tax cuts.

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If we do not renew and extend, then

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we will be facing an economic calamity.

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Democrats pushing back, insisting the Trump tax cuts

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have only benefited the rich.

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Now these wealthy people have more money than

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they know what to do with.

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And it is certainly not doing anything to

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lower prices for working families.

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I believe that President Trump, and if confirmed

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myself, are committed to addressing this affordability crisis.

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And part of the affordability crisis stems from

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this great inflation that we've had.

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No.

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Well, and there's trouble ahead, according to old

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lady Yeller.

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There's US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Friday

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that the government will reach its debt limit

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on Tuesday and will need to take extraordinary

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measures to avoid risking a potentially catastrophic default.

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The issue will, of course, now fall to

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Yellen's expected successor, Trump Treasury pick Scott Besson,

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who is still going through the Senate confirmation

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process.

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Besson said in his confirmation hearing Thursday that

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if President-elect Trump wants to eliminate the

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debt ceiling altogether, he will work with Congress

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to make that happen.

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Yeah, we got to print some money, baby.

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I like the idea that we get a

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Republican in, and the first thing he wants

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to do is hell with the debt ceiling.

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Let's just get rid of it.

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It's practical, but at the same time, it's

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like, okay, well, there goes the balanced budget.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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Wait, he has strategies.

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Supposedly, the whole Bitcoin community is all sithering.

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Supposedly, on the little tiny desk next to

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the J6 or Jenny, pardon, will also be

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a crypto bill that will send Bitcoin skyrocketing.

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And that, of course, will save us because

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of this.

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This is basically the newest version of the

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trillion-dollar coin.

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Yes, exactly.

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Because of the Bitcoin strategic reserve and the

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stable coin, the stable coin on top.

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Trump is a meta guy, you know.

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I think he has a plan.

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We'll see.

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We'll see.

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When the economy collapses, we'll know what didn't

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work.

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Also facing questions today, Trump's picks for two

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key environmental roles, for Secretary of the Interior,

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former North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum, and for

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EPA Administrator, former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin.

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Democrats pressing both nominees about Trump's pledge to

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roll back environmental regulations.

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Do you agree with President-elect Trump that

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climate change is a hoax?

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I believe that climate change is real, as

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I told you, as far as President Trump

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goes.

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The context that I've heard him speak about

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it was with a criticism of policies that

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have been acted because of climate change.

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And I think that he's concerned about the

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economic costs of some policies where there's a

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debate.

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Republicans insist these nominees strike a balance between

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protecting the environment and the economy.

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Congressman Zeldin will correct the course of the

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EPA.

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Yes, he will.

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You know, these guys, this is kind of

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bothersome.

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But at the same time, what are you

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going to do?

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It's like Zeldin is totally on board.

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Zeldin has also been on Fox a lot.

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So he's like another Fox guy that they're

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putting in these positions.

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And Zeldin is totally on board with the

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hoax idea.

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But he can't say it.

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He can't say it.

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And so we're still at the point where

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you can't say what you think.

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So this is not good.

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Not yet.

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Not yet.

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Everyone's, they got to be careful because they're

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still in the confirmation process.

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We can't make everybody angry.

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That's not how you're going to do it.

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When we're confirmed, then we can go all

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crazy.

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And then, of course, we have our oligarchy

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tonight or tomorrow, who will be at the

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inauguration.

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The oligarchy.

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Turning to the inauguration just 24 hours after

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President Biden warned of an oligarchy taking shape

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in America.

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What he called a tech industrial complex.

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Tonight we have learned a growing list of

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tech CEOs plan to attend President-elect Donald

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Trump's inauguration on Monday.

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That list includes Apple's Tim Cook, SpaceX and

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Tesla's Elon Musk, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Meta's Mark

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Zuckerberg, Google's Sundar Pichai and TikTok CEO Shou

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Chu.

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All of them, David, will have prominent seats

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for Donald Trump swearing in, David.

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Now, OK, how about a prop bet?

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A little prop bet?

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Prop bet?

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Prop bet?

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OK, what's the prop bet?

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Will Jason Calacanis be at the inauguration?

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Oh, just no chance.

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Jay Cal, you got tickets?

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He's the kind of guy that would actually

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get in.

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Sitting behind Elon.

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He could find a way.

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Yeah, but I think he really hates Trump,

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honestly.

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I don't think he likes Trump.

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He's a little wishy-washy on it.

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Well, he's reluctantly...

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I did watch his podcast of late.

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And they brought in that one guy, I

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forgot his name already.

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Oh, that guy, Cary Underwood.

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Cary Underwood.

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Cary Underwood.

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So you could just tell...

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Calacanis is losing his hair in some very

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peculiar way.

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Well, that sucks.

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I mean, let's not make fun of it.

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No, I'm not making fun of him.

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I'm just wondering.

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I mean, that's not male pattern baldness.

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It's like a sweep.

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It's going from the front.

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It's just going.

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It's going to be totally bald.

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It's a strange hairline.

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I've never seen anything quite like it.

537
00:22:14,370 --> 00:22:15,210
You know what that is?

538
00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:17,110
Low T.

539
00:22:17,290 --> 00:22:17,850
Low T.

540
00:22:20,610 --> 00:22:24,030
I would say the oddest bit of clippage

541
00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:27,510
that came my way in the past few

542
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:29,110
days was the Bill Gates clip.

543
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,100
I'm surprised Bill Gates isn't going to be

544
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,580
up there with him.

545
00:22:34,580 --> 00:22:36,880
Well, he doesn't need to because he had

546
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,880
a three-hour dinner with President Trump.

547
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Well, a lot of people have had three

548
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,560
-hour dinners with Trump.

549
00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:44,580
Yeah, but Bill Gates got really excited about

550
00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:44,840
it.

551
00:22:45,780 --> 00:22:46,260
Listen to this.

552
00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:47,080
I saw this clip.

553
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,700
I didn't think he was that excited, but

554
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:49,120
okay.

555
00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:51,440
A lot of people got excited.

556
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,660
All right, forget that.

557
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,060
Let's do something else because we have to

558
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:59,200
discuss the algo chasers for a moment.

559
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,680
This is the number one most emailed clip

560
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,380
I received.

561
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,660
I was happy to see that because there

562
00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:09,140
were a lot of different versions of it

563
00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:11,420
on the socials.

564
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:14,540
I was happy to see that the Valuetainment

565
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:18,160
crew picked it up and did exactly what

566
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,280
you'd expect them to do.

567
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560
This is algo chaser heaven, everybody.

568
00:23:23,020 --> 00:23:26,080
The current national security advisor.

569
00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:29,180
Here's a video that he shared with me

570
00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:30,740
before we got started, Jake Solomon.

571
00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:33,840
And I think, Vinny, you asked me the

572
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,640
question before you played it, and I didn't

573
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,580
know where you were going with it.

574
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:38,680
It says, I want you to watch this

575
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,720
and tell me if there's something weird about

576
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,520
the delivery of what he says in this.

577
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,320
Folks, just watch it.

578
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,560
That's what you said to me, and I'm

579
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,920
like, what are you saying, Vinny?

580
00:23:47,380 --> 00:23:49,180
In about 10 seconds into it, you're going

581
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:50,640
to say, why did you say that?

582
00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:52,020
You didn't have to say that.

583
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,500
What's your point of saying that?

584
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,880
Are you insinuating something?

585
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:56,860
Are you suggesting something?

586
00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:57,820
Just watch this here.

587
00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:58,460
Go for it, Rob.

588
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:58,940
Go, Rob.

589
00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:00,940
I just will say one last word, which

590
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:04,300
is, I hope this is my last time

591
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,700
at this podium, at least for a little

592
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:05,880
while.

593
00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:06,980
I don't mean that in a negative sense.

594
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,900
I mean, the only thing that would bring

595
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,840
me back is an unexpected event in the

596
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,440
next few days, which, as you all know,

597
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:16,040
is totally possible, given what we've seen over

598
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,260
the course of the past years.

599
00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:19,380
But if it is, in fact, my last

600
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:20,920
time before you, I just want to say

601
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,360
thank you for what you guys do every

602
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:22,600
day.

603
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,020
Thank you for putting up with me.

604
00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:27,280
Why would the National Security Advisor- Which

605
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,540
is fully possible.

606
00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:30,660
Say farewell, but go, hey, listen, you might

607
00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:32,460
hear from me again if something happens.

608
00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:35,860
And I would think, since you're the National

609
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:37,880
Security Advisor, you have the FBI, we have

610
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,200
all these apparatus, you should say nothing is

611
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,360
going to happen because we're secure.

612
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,540
He says, because it could quite possibly almost,

613
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,000
he's almost as if he's letting us know

614
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,120
something is going to happen and you are

615
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:49,740
going to hear from him.

616
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,060
Or I told you so, it's not my

617
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:51,260
fault.

618
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,900
We're all going to die.

619
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,880
You know, but let me help you boys

620
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,420
out there.

621
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,760
PBD, Valuetainment.

622
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,880
The guy has been talking for weeks about

623
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,600
one topic and one topic only, and that's

624
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,800
the Gaza peace deal.

625
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,980
That's what he's referring to.

626
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:13,880
Like the deal might fall apart, something might

627
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,020
happen, but it's not, as you, doops, because

628
00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:19,220
that's what everyone emailed me.

629
00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:22,500
Oh, oh, oh, he's signaling something's going to

630
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:22,740
happen.

631
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:24,400
I got the same thing.

632
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,360
I didn't get a clip.

633
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,740
I didn't take the clip because I thought

634
00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:28,600
the whole thing was so dumb, but yeah,

635
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,600
I'm glad you did.

636
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,140
Well, this is what we, this is why

637
00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:32,900
people come to the No Agenda show.

638
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:39,900
Like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that's

639
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:40,260
better.

640
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:42,140
It's nothing.

641
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,100
And even if something did happen, he wouldn't

642
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:45,240
be.

643
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,240
All these, all these podcasts.

644
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,140
Yeah.

645
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,080
And that's just one of many.

646
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,040
They're, they're, and I think Bannon's the worst,

647
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:54,960
to be honest about it.

648
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,000
It is entertaining, you have to admit.

649
00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:59,080
Hey, as Q said.

650
00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:01,580
That's, and it's free because you're paying, it's

651
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:03,700
value-taining, value-taining.

652
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,480
Remember, John, as Q says, nothing can stop

653
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,220
what's coming.

654
00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:12,660
Trust the plan.

655
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:14,580
So it's like, okay, yeah.

656
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,080
All these guys, they all do this.

657
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,800
It's just all hair on fire.

658
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000
It's terrible.

659
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:21,640
Algo chasers.

660
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:22,580
Algo chasers.

661
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,000
Yeah.

662
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:25,060
I think it's a good term.

663
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:27,140
But I don't think, see, the problem with

664
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:29,520
the term that, well, I don't use it,

665
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:33,900
is that you're actually assuming they're overtly doing

666
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:34,180
it.

667
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,140
No, no, that's just who they are.

668
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,260
That they can't help themselves.

669
00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:42,440
But they have to do an emergency pod,

670
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,160
you see.

671
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:46,760
We're going live.

672
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,420
Value-tainment live.

673
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,420
I'm never going to get on this show,

674
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:50,960
by the way.

675
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,440
They're never ever going to invite me.

676
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:55,960
No, they might if you keep harping on

677
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,120
it.

678
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:57,400
Emergency pod.

679
00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:59,920
Something's going to happen.

680
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,660
I mean, Alex Jones is the best now.

681
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:03,820
Emergency pod.

682
00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:06,920
There's thousands of ISIS everywhere.

683
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,880
Madison Square Garden, Statue of Liberty.

684
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,400
It's happening.

685
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,260
It's going down.

686
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:14,500
Nothing can stop what's coming.

687
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,340
I mean, I used to be a bit

688
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:22,200
like that before there were even ALGOs to

689
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,500
chase.

690
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,040
But I've learned.

691
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:25,720
You were never that bad.

692
00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:28,860
But after 17 years, it's like, no, no.

693
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:30,340
This is the problem.

694
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,180
This is why we have only four more

695
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:32,580
years.

696
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,780
Because it's just going to be Walter and

697
00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:36,160
Stedler.

698
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:37,620
You know, you and me just going, blah,

699
00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:38,540
blah, blah.

700
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,400
Did you say Walter and Stedler?

701
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,440
Yeah, what are their names?

702
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,360
What are their names?

703
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,200
Waldorf and Statler.

704
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:51,480
I think Walter and Stedler is much better.

705
00:27:51,820 --> 00:27:52,860
Walter and Stedler.

706
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,920
We need t-shirts that say Walter.

707
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:56,400
Hello, No Agenda Shop.

708
00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:59,980
Walter and Stedler is our new nicknames.

709
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:07,880
So last night, actually yesterday, I had a

710
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,520
lot of time.

711
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:10,580
Tina was at a conference in Dallas.

712
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:11,600
She's driving back today.

713
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,400
Hopefully she's listening.

714
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,100
Drive safe, baby.

715
00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:15,900
And so I had a lot of time.

716
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,360
That's why I went through the whole Supreme

717
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:19,020
Court hearing.

718
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,820
I learned a lot.

719
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:21,260
It was very educational.

720
00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:23,240
And I'm going to share some of that.

721
00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:27,860
But I also thought to myself, I'm going

722
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:29,100
to get me that TikTok app.

723
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,860
Let's see what happens.

724
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:32,700
I need to see what happens when this

725
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,560
thing goes into effect on Monday.

726
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,140
So I got me the TikTok app, which

727
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:39,100
interestingly...

728
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:42,180
What do you mean the TikTok app?

729
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,380
It went into effect last night.

730
00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:45,980
I know, I'm getting there.

731
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,140
I'm telling my story.

732
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,860
I'm ramping up.

733
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720
You're talking about the phone app?

734
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:50,100
The phone app.

735
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:51,000
Yeah, of course, of course.

736
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,720
You don't have it?

737
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:53,340
No, I never had that.

738
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:54,100
Why would I want that?

739
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:54,880
Oh, interesting.

740
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,880
No, because they spy on you, John.

741
00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:00,920
They're worse than any app ever.

742
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:03,060
So I'm like, okay.

743
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,140
So I loaded on my flip phone.

744
00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:11,620
It actually loaded onto that phone?

745
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,740
The install took a while.

746
00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:14,380
I tried to load it on my StarTAC

747
00:29:14,380 --> 00:29:15,400
and it didn't load.

748
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,000
StarTAC.

749
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Half the audience goes, what?

750
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,800
But the other half thinks we're hilarious.

751
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,140
Okay, well, that's the good news.

752
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:28,740
So it loads and I start...

753
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Right away, it gives me Denzel Washington preaching.

754
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,420
I'm like, okay, follow, heart.

755
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,420
And then this thing just, oh yeah, it's

756
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:38,800
great.

757
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,100
So it immediately...

758
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:40,680
Wait a minute.

759
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:42,980
Immediately, it caught on to the fact that

760
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:44,480
you're like born again?

761
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,420
I guess so.

762
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,820
I mean, that was the first thing that

763
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:47,340
popped up.

764
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:49,260
I'm like, okay, follow heart.

765
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:51,100
That means there has to be something on

766
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,340
your phone that it accessed and said, well,

767
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,920
look at this.

768
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:56,340
It might have just been a lucky guess.

769
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:58,220
Texas, Hill Country.

770
00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,380
Oh, Texas, Hill Country.

771
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,520
Gillespie County.

772
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,360
We got 35 churches here.

773
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,600
Yeah, no, I think it was a lucky

774
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,580
location guess.

775
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:07,980
Yeah, good work.

776
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:11,460
Yeah, and it's like, even if you're not

777
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:13,900
into the message, it's Denzel.

778
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:14,960
You're like, oh, it's Denzel.

779
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:15,340
Interesting.

780
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,000
And so now I'm getting black preachers left

781
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,180
and right, like doing this...

782
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:23,700
They figure you're black.

783
00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:24,940
Totally.

784
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,820
Adam Curry.

785
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,740
Are you kidding me?

786
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:27,160
Curry?

787
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,560
Yeah.

788
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:29,360
Curry is a very, very black name.

789
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,640
And this is entertaining.

790
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,320
I'm loving it.

791
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:33,380
I'm listening to these preachers, man.

792
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:33,980
They're wild.

793
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,480
They're on fire, these black guys.

794
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Oh, these guys are good.

795
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,140
And doing the fall, you know, like falling

796
00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:40,940
backwards and guys are catching them.

797
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,420
And it's fantastic.

798
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,320
Then I get nothing else, except once in

799
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,780
a while I get, you know, someone showing

800
00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:49,700
up with, surprise, a cheap product from China.

801
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:51,760
I just, you know, slipped by.

802
00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:53,560
I checked out the shop.

803
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,620
And then in the evening...

804
00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:56,460
I'm afraid there's a shop.

805
00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:58,220
That's what I'm missing out on.

806
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,940
Well, we're going to...

807
00:30:58,940 --> 00:30:59,860
Because I don't have the app.

808
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:00,900
We're going to get to that.

809
00:31:02,020 --> 00:31:03,640
And it's right there at the top of

810
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,480
the menu, shop.

811
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:09,080
And so before I went to bed last

812
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,400
night, I'm like, let me just get me

813
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,780
some...

814
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:11,720
I'm going to get me some Jesus.

815
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,220
I'm going to go on the TikTok app.

816
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,320
Boom.

817
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,720
No go.

818
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:17,520
Taken down.

819
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Oh, you were there when it went down.

820
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:21,600
Yeah.

821
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:23,560
And this was 10, 15.

822
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,840
So somewhere around that time.

823
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,180
It went out early.

824
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,000
It went out early.

825
00:31:27,620 --> 00:31:28,640
And I'm like, wow.

826
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,280
And so now I'm like, oh, now I

827
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,800
got to go get my other screen.

828
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,200
You know, I got to get the Graphene

829
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,500
OS.

830
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:38,600
I got to look at YouTube and see

831
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,060
what everyone...

832
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:40,480
Because I knew that there would be lots

833
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,880
of sadness and crying and moaning.

834
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:45,680
I need to share a few of them.

835
00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:49,160
By the way, most of these have F

836
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,880
-bombs in them just for your kids.

837
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:51,420
If you care.

838
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Not safe for work.

839
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Well, it's not safe.

840
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,620
If you care about it, it doesn't matter.

841
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,820
I got to keep it real.

842
00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:00,340
I am crashing the fuck out right now.

843
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,520
I don't know what to do.

844
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Oh my God.

845
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,040
I've already opened and closed the app.

846
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,000
Probably six times already just to keep getting

847
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,520
the same stupid warning message.

848
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:08,500
Oh my God.

849
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,140
This just feel...

850
00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:12,880
This is so dystopian.

851
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,940
First of all, I feel pathetic that I

852
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,340
am freaking out like this over an application

853
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:19,500
being unavailable on my phone.

854
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,040
But also, this has been a massive part

855
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,400
of our life for the last six years.

856
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720
And normally when something happens, I would get

857
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,100
on TikTok and start complaining.

858
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,520
And I can't even do that.

859
00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:30,960
I feel disconnected.

860
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,700
I feel cut off from the world and

861
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:34,440
my community.

862
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:36,980
This is crazy.

863
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:38,080
This is fucking crazy.

864
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,080
God.

865
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:40,960
And I can't like...

866
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,300
Now I'm rooting for Trump?

867
00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:42,880
Ew!

868
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,340
Make America fucking great again, I guess.

869
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:46,860
God.

870
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,520
So now I see where you get the

871
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,960
theme for today's show.

872
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:53,580
Ew!

873
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:55,240
What do you mean?

874
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,820
Low T.

875
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,460
Now, there was a lot of consistency in

876
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:03,060
these clips.

877
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:08,160
My community, and since the pandemic, this is

878
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,860
when everyone got hooked on this thing.

879
00:33:10,180 --> 00:33:13,420
And my little business, my little business.

880
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,980
This was very consistent.

881
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,060
I'm so sad that TikTok might go away.

882
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,140
It changed my life.

883
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:23,760
My long home build is on here.

884
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:26,200
How I taught everyone to grow mushrooms.

885
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,700
How I showed everyone how to parasite cleanse.

886
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,960
Started my business.

887
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,400
It saved my life.

888
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:40,040
And I just really appreciate all of you

889
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,020
as my community when I didn't have one.

890
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,800
When I had nowhere to turn.

891
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,940
When I couldn't get any help from my

892
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:48,860
own doctors.

893
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,940
I literally turned to TikTok and my community.

894
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,260
I did not want to make this video

895
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:56,900
and I did not want to believe this

896
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,500
is happening.

897
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,760
But we're so close to January 19th that

898
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,760
if I don't make this video, I will

899
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,720
be very sad.

900
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:04,740
Thank you.

901
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,460
And, you know, it's obviously we're laughing because

902
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:12,460
of the severe narcissism that these people need

903
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,520
to share all of their lives and their

904
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,820
feelings and their problems.

905
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:19,500
But you cannot, you just can't deny that

906
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,920
they've gotten something, some redeeming quality out of

907
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,620
this app.

908
00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:25,219
And many of them would realize, like, I

909
00:34:25,219 --> 00:34:26,719
can't believe I'm crying over an app.

910
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,159
But I am because of my community and

911
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,620
you guys and my friends.

912
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:32,860
But they're also all of their customers.

913
00:34:33,139 --> 00:34:34,600
And this is the last one I have.

914
00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:38,199
This girl, young woman, is one of those

915
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:39,219
eyelash flappers.

916
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,920
Her eyelashes are bigger than Pam Bondage's at

917
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,679
the hearing.

918
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:50,230
And she's sad.

919
00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:51,449
She wraps it all.

920
00:34:51,449 --> 00:34:52,810
In fact, I even saw her on a

921
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:55,050
couple of M5M reports.

922
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:57,170
And to the U.S. government, I'm never

923
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:58,370
forgiving you for this.

924
00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:00,230
And I'm never going to trust you ever

925
00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:02,950
again because you just like that took away

926
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:05,670
millions of people's income and livelihood.

927
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:06,950
And who does that?

928
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:10,070
So I'm never trusting you ever again with

929
00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:10,550
anything.

930
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:12,930
I'm so dumb coming on the Internet and

931
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:13,910
crying about an app.

932
00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:15,490
But the fact is that this has been

933
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:18,470
a sense of community for me for years

934
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:18,870
now.

935
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:21,510
And it got me through really, really hard

936
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:22,530
times in my life.

937
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:26,350
The pandemic, losing my job, all of that,

938
00:35:27,010 --> 00:35:29,810
getting divorced, like all of this crap that's

939
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:31,690
happened to me in the last five years

940
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:32,590
since I've been on here.

941
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:35,250
Hours and hours and hours of time I

942
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:37,830
put into creating stuff for this platform.

943
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:40,310
And I'm not the biggest creator on here.

944
00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:42,470
I'm not like, I don't have 3 million

945
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:44,350
followers or 10 million followers.

946
00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:46,510
But I do have a platform.

947
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:48,070
It's the biggest platform I have.

948
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:51,330
And I worked really, really hard to make

949
00:35:51,330 --> 00:35:51,530
it.

950
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:52,870
On top of that, it's been a source

951
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:54,790
of income for me for going on three

952
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:55,410
years now.

953
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,070
First, it was just a little bit, but

954
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:58,150
then it got to be more.

955
00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:00,190
I'm not like rich off of it, but

956
00:36:00,190 --> 00:36:02,610
it has significantly helped my income every month.

957
00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:05,490
And it's been consistent enough that like I've

958
00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:06,770
been able to rely on it.

959
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:08,910
So like on top of being just sad

960
00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:12,490
that I'm losing my creative outlet, my platform,

961
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,670
I'm like worried about like what I'm going

962
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:15,730
to do financially.

963
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:20,030
Okay, so and we can all laugh about

964
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:20,190
it.

965
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:22,810
But it's hard to laugh about it.

966
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:24,850
But at the same time, because it's so

967
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:28,290
pathetic that you have a situation where this

968
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:31,330
has evolved as a societal mechanism for people

969
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:34,270
to even make money and accept it as

970
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:34,630
such.

971
00:36:34,930 --> 00:36:36,850
So you can't really, I don't think you

972
00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:38,150
can laugh at it.

973
00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:39,470
I want to hug her.

974
00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:40,430
I want to hug her.

975
00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:41,910
Well, she needs more than a hug.

976
00:36:42,130 --> 00:36:43,310
She needs some cash.

977
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:44,790
Cash and a hug.

978
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:50,330
But it's just like, how did we get

979
00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:50,730
here?

980
00:36:51,490 --> 00:36:54,790
Oh, well, I think I can explain this.

981
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:57,210
And the first thing, I mean, I'll say

982
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:57,710
it up front.

983
00:36:57,830 --> 00:37:00,310
I think the US Supreme, even though TikTok,

984
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:02,110
they came back online today.

985
00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:05,270
They came back online this morning because the

986
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:11,350
guy from Singapore said, hey, you know, President

987
00:37:11,350 --> 00:37:13,050
Trump has made us feel comfortable.

988
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:14,530
He's going to give us a 90-day

989
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:15,090
extension.

990
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:17,570
We're turning it back on because they literally

991
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:18,250
turned it off.

992
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:19,750
And I tried VPNs.

993
00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:23,230
The app clearly is showing them that I

994
00:37:23,230 --> 00:37:25,390
downloaded this from the US.

995
00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:28,090
So even any other country I tried with

996
00:37:28,090 --> 00:37:29,850
a VPN, it would say, no, no good.

997
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:31,330
I tried browsers.

998
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:33,490
I guess they threw a cookie on there.

999
00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:34,830
I tried, I mean, I could not get

1000
00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:36,130
to it no matter what I tried.

1001
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:37,870
That came back.

1002
00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:41,290
However, on the App Store, on the Google

1003
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:43,250
Play Store, I don't have an iPhone.

1004
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:45,310
It says, looking for TikTok?

1005
00:37:46,090 --> 00:37:48,050
Downloads for this app are paused due to

1006
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:49,690
current US legal requirements.

1007
00:37:49,890 --> 00:37:52,870
And right above it was the featured app,

1008
00:37:52,930 --> 00:37:53,290
Instagram.

1009
00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:55,210
Just something to notice.

1010
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:59,230
I personally feel the US, because that's a

1011
00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:59,690
good one.

1012
00:37:59,950 --> 00:38:02,130
I listened to, and I have clips of

1013
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:03,350
it, but I want to play some other

1014
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:03,830
things first.

1015
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:06,290
But I want to say that the Supreme

1016
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:10,850
Court has done a severe injustice to one

1017
00:38:10,850 --> 00:38:13,830
of the main economic outputs of our country,

1018
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:17,750
which is the ability to create and use

1019
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:21,090
media to sell crap that nobody actually needs.

1020
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:23,130
We are good at this.

1021
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:25,450
We're good at it in mainstream television.

1022
00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:28,270
We guilt you into thinking that you're not

1023
00:38:28,270 --> 00:38:30,990
going to be popular or have sex, or

1024
00:38:30,990 --> 00:38:32,650
you're going to die if you don't buy

1025
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:33,150
these products.

1026
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:34,590
This is what we do.

1027
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:38,450
And so that's what has happened, is this

1028
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:41,450
is a new version of a great American

1029
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:44,670
tradition of being the sellers and the buyers

1030
00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:45,550
at the same time.

1031
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:47,870
We are the market for China.

1032
00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:49,350
We're perfect for it.

1033
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:51,010
And we sell it to each other.

1034
00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:53,690
Sometimes we get really good and we make

1035
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:55,670
a song that everybody loves.

1036
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:56,750
That's one of our exports.

1037
00:38:56,930 --> 00:39:01,690
See Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, whatever you

1038
00:39:01,690 --> 00:39:02,010
want.

1039
00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:05,470
But that is that's our culture.

1040
00:39:05,610 --> 00:39:06,550
This is what we do.

1041
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:08,470
And they didn't even consider that.

1042
00:39:08,610 --> 00:39:10,170
And all of these, I mean, there's also

1043
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:12,230
people who make something, you know, their own

1044
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:14,490
little thing they make at home and they

1045
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:15,590
sell it on Etsy.

1046
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:19,230
This is the economy that is quite large.

1047
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:20,510
I mean, it's billions.

1048
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:23,810
It's probably 15 to 20 billion dollars of

1049
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:27,510
GDP creation within the U.S. just from

1050
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:28,510
TikTok alone.

1051
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:30,290
You know, there's some people say it's about

1052
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:31,490
a billion dollars a month.

1053
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:33,270
And a lot of most of it is

1054
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:34,610
just this stuff from China.

1055
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:37,750
So I think they made a big mistake

1056
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,090
because what they didn't realize is this was

1057
00:39:40,090 --> 00:39:43,330
all because our technology industry has been focused

1058
00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:46,650
on advertising instead of the obvious opportunities.

1059
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:49,610
No one has the all in one solution.

1060
00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:51,330
Google has rigged search.

1061
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:55,230
Amazon has, you know, horrible stores that that

1062
00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:58,030
that, you know, gouge you if you're trying

1063
00:39:58,030 --> 00:39:58,910
to sell something.

1064
00:39:58,910 --> 00:40:01,710
Meta and Facebook, they have the small business

1065
00:40:01,710 --> 00:40:02,470
ad market.

1066
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:04,430
They don't know how to work together.

1067
00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:07,910
And this is the magic that TikTok grabbed.

1068
00:40:08,350 --> 00:40:11,730
And this community thing and everybody loving the

1069
00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:14,430
app is a byproduct of what it really

1070
00:40:14,430 --> 00:40:14,790
is.

1071
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:16,210
And I was surprised.

1072
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:20,790
Nay, stunned that on the media, I like

1073
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:21,290
that.

1074
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:22,050
On the.

1075
00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:24,190
Oh, he was.

1076
00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:29,150
Nay, stunned that on the media from NPR

1077
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:33,810
had the actual truth of what TikTok is.

1078
00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:35,870
But of course, they didn't come up with

1079
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:36,410
it themselves.

1080
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:37,710
They had to bring in a blogger.

1081
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:39,370
But I think the guy has it right.

1082
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:42,650
Tech journalist Ryan Broderick has been tracking the

1083
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:45,590
great TikToker migration and what it tells us

1084
00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:47,530
about the future of the Internet for his

1085
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:48,830
newsletter Garbage Day.

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Ryan, welcome on the media.

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Thank you for having me.

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Happy to be here.

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You recently wrote Americans still don't realize what

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TikTok is.

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And when you say Americans, you mean users,

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the people who use TikTok, but also politicians

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and the Supreme Court justices.

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You say American lawmakers think that TikTok is

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a social platform.

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I mean, I know from spending time on

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TikTok that TikTok's users also think that it

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is a social platform.

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By the way, this Micah guy, what a

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douche.

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He's just just get to the guest and

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stop pontificating.

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Why is it not that?

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00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:31,990
There are social elements to it, of course.

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But TikTok is the sister app of ByteDance's

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other app, which is called Douyin, which can

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only be used inside China.

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And Douyin, like most Chinese social networks, are

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primarily social shopping apps.

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They make their money from live streams with

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influencers hawking products, which you can then buy

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directly through the app.

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TikTok, when it launched outside of China, was

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always a long play to bring social shopping

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to the rest of the world.

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And you can see this with the introduction

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of TikTok Shop, which happened a few years

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ago.

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All of the ways that the app surfaces

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content can be used for finding social content,

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but they were built to sell you products.

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You'll hear users say the algorithm feels different

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than Instagram or YouTube or whatever.

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And that's why.

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It's because it's literally built for something very

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different.

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And we in the US have never really

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acknowledged that or understood it or cared about

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that.

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We've kind of used it inadvertently for other

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things.

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But that's what TikTok is here for.

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It's a long play of trying to make

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00:42:38,330 --> 00:42:41,110
Chinese style social shopping big in the West.

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And this is what we've been saying.

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We hadn't even really put it together to

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00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:47,750
give it the name social shopping, but we

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00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:50,510
knew that this is what was driving the

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so-called influencers.

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00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:57,430
Everybody on TikTok who has a platform has

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00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:59,650
some kind of angle to sell you some

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00:42:59,650 --> 00:43:01,930
product, if only just, you know, like the

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00:43:01,930 --> 00:43:04,610
ham radio guy, you know, cheap crap.

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It's perfect.

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00:43:05,830 --> 00:43:07,990
Just get us some cheap crap and we'll

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hang out with you.

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And it seems that the algorithm working the

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exact opposite of US algorithms, which is get

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00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:18,390
him in, get him in, get him a

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00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:20,230
little mad, get him a little excited, show

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00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:20,770
him an ad.

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00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:22,950
OK, show him an ad.

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00:43:23,110 --> 00:43:24,350
No, it's much more advanced.

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00:43:24,610 --> 00:43:28,090
It's more it's more along the lines because,

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in fact, we do have a note from

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00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:32,290
we probably should play it or you should

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00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:35,330
read it from our TikTok insider from ByteDance.

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00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,190
Um, there it's more along the lines of

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00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:43,410
something that was developed by Bill Ziff called

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00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:44,810
Special Interest Publishing.

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00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:46,070
Ah, very good point.

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And so what and I talked to Bill

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a lot about some of his theories because

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00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:53,970
he had he really brought it to a

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00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:58,170
he developed the overtly developed these theories.

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And one of them was and I think

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00:43:59,890 --> 00:44:03,450
this applies to this TikTok analysis is that

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in a computer magazine, for example, nothing in

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the magazine should be outside the realm of

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computing.

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Bingo.

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So so if General Motors came in and

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says, we want to run a whole series

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of ads for to sell Chevys, he would

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refuse the advertising.

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No, no.

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And it was worked, by the way, the

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sales guys to no end because they would

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they would bring it.

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00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:29,810
Hey, look what we got.

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00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:32,450
We got, you know, a cigarette guy wants

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to advertise.

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He's got a million dollar contract here.

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Nope.

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No, it's got if it's got nothing to

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do with computers, it had.

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00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:41,570
So in other words, the idea was in

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any modern bride was a good example of

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this.

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Another perfect example.

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Yes.

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Is that every single ad, every single thing

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was being about being a bride.

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00:44:51,090 --> 00:44:53,110
It was never took you out of that

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area.

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You were always in the mindset and that

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created the buying impulse to buy from these

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advertisers.

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And that's maybe what's going on here.

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I'm going to play the note.

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It's G flat by dance alum here chiming

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in because I thought you were on track

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with the discussion.

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They operate an AI recommendation system.

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It's more basic type of machine learning algos,

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but they've been training it for a decade

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at least.

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By the way, that is the kicker, right?

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Yeah, that's right.

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They've been training the AI algo for a

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decade.

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Good luck catching up.

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So it's ingested every new source in the

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world.

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And now all these videos and data points.

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When I worked on the American version of

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their popular news app, 12 child in China,

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top buzz in the U.S. We had

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this complex back end system that would spit

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out the news that would get the most

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clicks.

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Yes, a small U.S. Based content team

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complimented by what went, but what by what

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00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:53,910
might have been hordes of overseas Asian workers

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00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:56,230
would roll through a selection of the content

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to filter out low quality or illegal content,

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thus training the algo.

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It's just machine learning.

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It's no super AI.

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We would also get set breaking news items

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to the top.

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At the time, the TikTok team would decide

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on trends to promote in app, and each

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worker had a set of influencers they managed,

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and these trends would be sent their way

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00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:17,170
to produce content and create trends.

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00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:19,330
As you can imagine, brands would get involved,

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00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:21,350
music industry would chime in, and they would

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00:46:21,350 --> 00:46:24,470
start to predictably manufacture some categories to follow.

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00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:26,410
I imagine they have such a broad data

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00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,110
set and a big head start, so they're

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00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:29,710
just a bit better at it for sure.

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00:46:30,270 --> 00:46:31,970
My guess on U.S. concerns at TikTok

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00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:34,350
is such a great data harvester that them

1245
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:35,970
having the lead can be spun as the

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00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,350
threat as sophisticated data sets are said to

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00:46:38,350 --> 00:46:40,510
be the lifeblood of future autonomous warfare.

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00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:42,710
Well, yes, and we'll get to that, but

1249
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:44,570
that is exactly what's happening.

1250
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:47,950
And all the other stuff that, you know,

1251
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:50,950
when I go in and they guess based

1252
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:55,570
on my location, oh, okay, curry, black guy,

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00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:58,070
Texas, give him some Denzel.

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00:46:58,590 --> 00:47:00,310
Beautiful, beautiful.

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00:47:00,650 --> 00:47:02,650
And then, of course, with my scroll, and

1256
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:05,270
that's why I purposely followed and liked, they

1257
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:06,130
just give me all that.

1258
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:06,730
I got nothing.

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00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:08,430
I didn't see any gay guys showing up.

1260
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:11,210
I got nothing but black guys preaching their

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00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:11,770
butts off.

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So it's a byproduct.

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00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,310
It's a byproduct of what the algo was

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00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:19,570
actually intent for, which is this social shopping.

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00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:21,970
And when you say social shopping, you're kind

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of referring to what is more common in

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00:47:24,730 --> 00:47:28,370
China and other countries where everything apps, where

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00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:31,870
you could communicate and buy your groceries and

1269
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:33,170
et cetera, et cetera.

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00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:36,770
That's not something Americans are that exposed to

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00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:37,190
currently.

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00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:40,010
Honestly, imagine if TikTok was owned by Amazon.

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00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:42,050
That's kind of what all of these apps

1274
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:42,890
are making a play for.

1275
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:45,370
You have what look like social networks that

1276
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:47,390
have e-commerce inside of them, but then

1277
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:49,050
you also have e-commerce apps that have

1278
00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:50,970
social content inside of them.

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00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:53,910
And to try to keep up, Amazon has

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00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:55,650
even tried to add more social features.

1281
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:58,330
There's like a short form video feed inside

1282
00:47:58,330 --> 00:47:59,110
of Amazon now.

1283
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,470
So that's the way that a lot of

1284
00:48:01,470 --> 00:48:03,470
these Chinese apps have been evolving, which is

1285
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:06,290
towards you're looking at social content in between

1286
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:06,930
buying things.

1287
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:07,650
That's the idea.

1288
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:10,630
And in my estimation, this is why TikTok

1289
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:13,210
got in all this hot water, because the

1290
00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:15,810
tech companies with their very powerful lobby all

1291
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:18,090
got together and maybe even some mainstream media

1292
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,330
corporations said, these guys have figured it out.

1293
00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:23,010
We've been slow.

1294
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:26,710
No one has the whole thing all put

1295
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:27,110
together.

1296
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:28,690
Nobody has it.

1297
00:48:29,730 --> 00:48:32,790
And funny enough, I remember back in 2006,

1298
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:37,970
2007, Mevio did a pitch to Amazon and

1299
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:41,710
said, we should have our podcasters just selling

1300
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:46,030
your product like the original American invention, which

1301
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:49,710
to this day still works, QVC, home shopping.

1302
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:55,010
It is so outrageous that our Silicon Valley

1303
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:56,370
companies miss this.

1304
00:48:57,350 --> 00:49:00,110
I mean, it's a gigantic gaping hole.

1305
00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:01,210
They should have seen it.

1306
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:03,450
Yes.

1307
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:08,610
That the network TVs, people have seen it

1308
00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:11,230
because they have moved home shopping network onto

1309
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:12,390
their morning shows.

1310
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:15,250
Every morning show has a whole segment at

1311
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:19,250
the end that basically is a home shopping

1312
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:21,110
network thing, only it's a little quicker and

1313
00:49:21,110 --> 00:49:22,570
faster paced.

1314
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:26,690
And I don't think that the Silicon Valley

1315
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:31,630
people, I think you're giving them a bit

1316
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:34,530
too much credit because I don't think they,

1317
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:36,950
I don't think they, what they've seen is

1318
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:39,790
the loss of interest in their products and

1319
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:45,110
the furtherance of interest in TikTok and these

1320
00:49:45,110 --> 00:49:46,150
other sorts of things.

1321
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:48,090
And that's what's freaking them out.

1322
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:50,310
Just the superficial nature of it.

1323
00:49:50,350 --> 00:49:52,230
I don't think that they've gone deep enough

1324
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:54,510
to understand any of what you just said.

1325
00:49:54,690 --> 00:49:55,010
Really?

1326
00:49:55,850 --> 00:49:58,690
Gosh, that, well, that's even more astounding if

1327
00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:59,330
that's true.

1328
00:49:59,990 --> 00:50:02,570
Um, and of course it is true that.

1329
00:50:02,830 --> 00:50:04,330
I mean, that's why they had to bring

1330
00:50:04,330 --> 00:50:06,750
a blogger out who happens to just be

1331
00:50:06,750 --> 00:50:07,830
analyzing.

1332
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:11,550
You don't hear anybody from Google saying, say,

1333
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:12,830
well, the way we see it.

1334
00:50:12,850 --> 00:50:14,410
No, they, they're clueless.

1335
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:17,270
And we, and we know from my sister's

1336
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:20,710
research that TikTok was overtaking search on Google

1337
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:23,890
because people are looking for stuff to buy.

1338
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:26,090
That's what people are looking for.

1339
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:28,690
And other things, where to go, where to

1340
00:50:28,690 --> 00:50:29,030
eat.

1341
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:30,670
You know, it was, it was eating up

1342
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:31,510
a lot of business.

1343
00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:33,590
Turns out though, when it comes to social

1344
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:36,570
shopping, the USA is not even that important

1345
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:37,930
to bite dance and TikTok.

1346
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:40,330
I think that's an interesting distinction.

1347
00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:42,890
I'm not sure I understand what bearing it

1348
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:46,250
has on the legal arguments for and against

1349
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:49,670
banning TikTok, nor do I see its relevance

1350
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:53,830
to the meaningfulness to its user base.

1351
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:57,170
A lot of the conversation around the ban

1352
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:59,010
in the U.S., particularly from lawmakers, but

1353
00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:01,250
also in the media, is this idea that

1354
00:51:01,250 --> 00:51:03,370
like TikTok will have to cave and they'll

1355
00:51:03,370 --> 00:51:05,210
have to sell in the U.S. because

1356
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:07,410
the U.S. audience is so valuable.

1357
00:51:07,830 --> 00:51:08,810
And the point that I was trying to

1358
00:51:08,810 --> 00:51:09,670
make is that it's not.

1359
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:13,130
Because we are just one step towards a

1360
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:14,370
global e-commerce network.

1361
00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:16,190
Now, are we massive and are we very

1362
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:16,530
influential?

1363
00:51:16,770 --> 00:51:17,090
Absolutely.

1364
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:21,010
But the idea that our goofy videos are

1365
00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:23,070
so valuable to TikTok that they would sell

1366
00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:25,430
to me feels laughable.

1367
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:28,170
Yeah, I think this guy, he figured it

1368
00:51:28,170 --> 00:51:28,410
out.

1369
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:29,650
He figured out a long time ago.

1370
00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:31,110
Final clip from on the media.

1371
00:51:31,570 --> 00:51:36,530
Again, the political groupings and the communities that

1372
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:39,290
people belong to is all just a byproduct

1373
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:42,270
of their outstanding shopping algorithm.

1374
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:45,730
The way that Mike Gallagher, the lawmaker who

1375
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:49,350
sponsored the, what we call the TikTok ban.

1376
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:51,230
By the way, who got a lot of

1377
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:52,450
donations from Google.

1378
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:55,030
He puts it is, you know, China is

1379
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:58,890
engaged in a smokeless battlefield of the internet.

1380
00:51:59,670 --> 00:52:03,890
And that TikTok represents a form of soft

1381
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:06,110
power over Americans.

1382
00:52:06,850 --> 00:52:10,090
I think that ByteDance via TikTok is probably

1383
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:14,370
doing some version of what Meta with Facebook

1384
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:15,490
has done to the rest of the world.

1385
00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:17,570
Like I do think that at this point

1386
00:52:17,570 --> 00:52:19,410
we can say that there are radicalizing effects

1387
00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:23,170
of social networks or social like networks that

1388
00:52:23,170 --> 00:52:25,090
have political consequences.

1389
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:27,590
Do I believe that it is as simple

1390
00:52:27,590 --> 00:52:30,250
as we want this political outcome.

1391
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:31,670
So we're going to show people that content

1392
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:33,090
and that political outcome happens.

1393
00:52:33,450 --> 00:52:35,010
I mean, the research doesn't back that up.

1394
00:52:35,530 --> 00:52:37,950
I do think the way that people experience

1395
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:40,210
content online and the algorithms that push it

1396
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:44,350
towards us do create political effects.

1397
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:47,010
Because TikTok is so interested in hyper targeting

1398
00:52:47,010 --> 00:52:49,550
your interests, no two feeds are alike, right?

1399
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:51,270
Like your TikTok feed and my TikTok feed

1400
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:52,430
never two shall meet.

1401
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:55,350
And a lot of the impact of that

1402
00:52:55,350 --> 00:52:59,370
has been on building small, weird subcultures or

1403
00:52:59,370 --> 00:53:00,370
fandoms or communities.

1404
00:53:00,490 --> 00:53:02,130
But you also have a lot of marginalized

1405
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:04,890
communities saying that on TikTok they feel very

1406
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:08,170
comfortable where if they go to Instagram per

1407
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:11,690
se, they feel like very antagonized or attacked

1408
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:12,070
or whatever.

1409
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:14,290
And that does have an effect on political

1410
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:14,730
speech.

1411
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:16,510
As we saw at the end of 2023,

1412
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:19,750
when Israel invades Palestine and the youth of

1413
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:21,970
America on TikTok are, you know, talking about

1414
00:53:21,970 --> 00:53:23,810
it in this way that people are saying

1415
00:53:23,810 --> 00:53:25,610
is, you know, anti-Semitic or whatever it

1416
00:53:25,610 --> 00:53:25,750
is.

1417
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:27,850
If you look into it, it's teenagers reacting

1418
00:53:27,850 --> 00:53:30,470
to the conflict in a way that didn't

1419
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:33,150
feel moderated by mainstream media or whatever.

1420
00:53:33,330 --> 00:53:34,790
You know, they felt like they could just

1421
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:36,850
sort of have these conversations amongst themselves.

1422
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:38,730
All byproducts.

1423
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:39,330
Fantastic.

1424
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:40,430
But it worked.

1425
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:43,750
The whole campaign set up by Silicon Valley

1426
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:46,470
and I have got to believe that, you

1427
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:49,690
know, Disney, ABC, Comcast, I'm sure all of

1428
00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:50,690
them were in it.

1429
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:52,370
We've got to get rid of these guys

1430
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:53,750
for the reasons you mentioned.

1431
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:55,830
We got to get them out.

1432
00:53:56,650 --> 00:53:58,350
It's going too well.

1433
00:53:58,750 --> 00:53:59,910
They're eating our lunch.

1434
00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:02,070
And it works perfectly when you go to

1435
00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:04,650
the mainstream and you listen to, here he

1436
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:08,430
is, Jimmy Kimmel roll out the dangers, the

1437
00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:10,370
dangers of TikTok.

1438
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:14,070
By the way, he had some funny lines

1439
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:14,390
in here.

1440
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:16,530
When I say TikTok is an app for

1441
00:54:16,530 --> 00:54:16,970
teenagers.

1442
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:17,650
He does.

1443
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:18,170
They're right.

1444
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:20,510
It is not an app for teenagers, just

1445
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:22,470
like crop tops or great shirts for old

1446
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:23,050
fat guys.

1447
00:54:23,690 --> 00:54:25,190
TikTok is for everyone.

1448
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:27,790
The problem with TikTok is it's totally controlled

1449
00:54:27,790 --> 00:54:28,830
by the Chinese government.

1450
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:30,930
I heard a good explanation of why there's

1451
00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:33,750
a problem because I wasn't sure why exactly

1452
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:34,450
it was a problem.

1453
00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:36,090
Why the Chinese?

1454
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:37,790
The reason why the Chinese having our kids

1455
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:40,670
personal information is a threat is because kids

1456
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:41,650
aren't kids forever.

1457
00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:42,870
They grow up and get jobs.

1458
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:45,350
And when they do, the Chinese government will

1459
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:46,970
have all the passwords they use.

1460
00:54:47,050 --> 00:54:49,490
If they'll have everything they posted their financial

1461
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:52,650
information, a lot of cases, messages, you name

1462
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:54,330
it, they will have it, which isn't so

1463
00:54:54,330 --> 00:54:55,650
much of a problem if they grow up

1464
00:54:55,650 --> 00:54:56,990
to work at like Petco.

1465
00:54:57,190 --> 00:55:00,570
But some teenagers grow up and become nuclear

1466
00:55:00,570 --> 00:55:03,390
physicists or they join the military or the

1467
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:04,190
State Department.

1468
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:06,290
Every single person in the army in the

1469
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:08,410
State Department used to be a teenager.

1470
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:09,530
I don't know if you knew that.

1471
00:55:09,970 --> 00:55:12,310
And in the future, the Chinese government will

1472
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:14,570
have tons of their data to blackmail them

1473
00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:14,790
with.

1474
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:17,250
And that's why it's a national security threat

1475
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,910
when your nephew films himself eating corn on

1476
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:21,910
the cob off of Makita drill bit.

1477
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:23,570
So that's the message.

1478
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:26,550
The message is they'll have stuff to blackmail

1479
00:55:26,550 --> 00:55:27,630
you with later.

1480
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:30,630
We played that clip, not that clip, but

1481
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:32,690
we played a clip that claimed this sort

1482
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:33,630
of bull crap.

1483
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:35,750
I think two or three shows ago when

1484
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:37,790
this all began, which I had and I

1485
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:38,430
had the clip.

1486
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:40,210
It was pulled from one of the PBS

1487
00:55:40,210 --> 00:55:41,590
or NPR shows.

1488
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:45,810
And it was nonsense that when we played

1489
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:46,950
it, it was so stupid.

1490
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:48,470
I don't even think we talked about it

1491
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:48,730
much.

1492
00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:50,590
And now it's coming to the fore.

1493
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:52,010
This is bull crap.

1494
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:54,090
Well, wait until you hear some of the

1495
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:56,970
arguments made at the Supreme Court.

1496
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:59,090
And so I did a deep dive on

1497
00:55:59,090 --> 00:56:00,390
the SCOTUS TikTok hearing.

1498
00:56:00,510 --> 00:56:02,970
And unlike Notebook LM, you'll actually learn something

1499
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:04,090
on this deep dive.

1500
00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:07,490
I've got to say up front, there were

1501
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:14,370
multiple lawyers, one on behalf of TikTok USA

1502
00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:19,510
and two actually on behalf of creators, or

1503
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:21,030
as I like to call them, the creations

1504
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:21,670
of TikTok.

1505
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:25,870
And I think they did their clients a

1506
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:29,770
huge disservice by making this a First Amendment

1507
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:33,810
case because the reason why the Supreme Court

1508
00:56:33,810 --> 00:56:38,030
voted nine to zero was for national security.

1509
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:40,930
And but a lot of the national security

1510
00:56:40,930 --> 00:56:43,150
stuff comes up as they are talking about

1511
00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:44,570
it being First Amendment.

1512
00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:49,030
And the First Amendment angle that that their

1513
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:53,290
lawyer took was, well, the algorithm is our

1514
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:54,030
free speech.

1515
00:56:54,170 --> 00:57:01,110
What we decide to feature or to demote

1516
00:57:01,110 --> 00:57:03,990
or promote, that is the free speech of

1517
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:06,030
the corporation TikTok America.

1518
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:09,170
Now, of course, the problem is that the

1519
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:11,650
algorithm is owned by ByteDance.

1520
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:15,190
And so they're they're taking the information is

1521
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:17,130
running through the algo and then they present

1522
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:19,010
it here in the U.S. What I

1523
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:21,330
thought was super interesting, because I would have

1524
00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:26,110
skipped this normally, is the definition of this

1525
00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:28,070
algorithm that came up.

1526
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:29,570
And I don't know if this can be

1527
00:57:29,570 --> 00:57:33,110
used in in cases later in law about

1528
00:57:33,110 --> 00:57:36,670
a particular as it pertains to social media

1529
00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:39,510
platforms and Section 203.

1530
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:43,670
Here's Amy Coney Barrett with the TikTok lawyer.

1531
00:57:43,930 --> 00:57:45,730
Mr. Francisco, can I ask you a question

1532
00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:47,170
about the relevant speech here?

1533
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:48,350
So it strikes me that this is a

1534
00:57:48,350 --> 00:57:51,550
little different than your Bezos example, because there

1535
00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:54,390
it's clearly content discrimination because we're talking about

1536
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:57,110
the ability to post particular articles versus other

1537
00:57:57,110 --> 00:57:57,550
articles.

1538
00:57:58,150 --> 00:58:00,470
Am I right that the algorithm is the

1539
00:58:00,470 --> 00:58:01,030
speech here?

1540
00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:03,030
Yes, Your Honor.

1541
00:58:03,310 --> 00:58:05,790
Well, I would say it's the algorithm is

1542
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:06,690
a lot of things.

1543
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:09,190
The algorithm has built within it.

1544
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:12,410
It's it's basically how we predict what our

1545
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:13,670
customers want to see.

1546
00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:15,110
The editorial discretion.

1547
00:58:15,310 --> 00:58:16,410
Yeah, the editorial discretion.

1548
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:18,650
It also has built within it the moderation

1549
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:19,410
elements.

1550
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:21,570
All of this kind of comes together when

1551
00:58:21,570 --> 00:58:25,090
the source code is translated into executable code

1552
00:58:25,090 --> 00:58:26,270
in the United States.

1553
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:29,070
In the United States, that executable code is

1554
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:32,450
then subject to vetting, review, moderation through content

1555
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:33,630
moderation algorithms.

1556
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:36,890
So it ultimately lands on the TikTok platform.

1557
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:38,810
But what we're what we're talking about as

1558
00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:41,390
as a net choice is the editorial discretion

1559
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:43,090
that underlies the algorithm.

1560
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:47,530
So when you say editorial discretion, that's a

1561
00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:49,450
hot button on Section 203.

1562
00:58:49,570 --> 00:58:50,950
This is why I kept this clip in

1563
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:51,530
my lineup.

1564
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:54,730
That means that you are a publication.

1565
00:58:55,870 --> 00:59:00,830
If you're editorializing, then Section 203 no longer

1566
00:59:00,830 --> 00:59:02,150
applies.

1567
00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:05,990
So I wonder if a constitutional lawyer, Rob,

1568
00:59:06,050 --> 00:59:06,950
will be able to tell us.

1569
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:09,150
I wonder if just because it didn't show

1570
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:11,230
up in the report in the 27 pages,

1571
00:59:11,290 --> 00:59:12,390
which also went through.

1572
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:16,250
But if can you use that later?

1573
00:59:16,330 --> 00:59:18,050
Say, well, you know, they decided when they

1574
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:19,350
were talking that it was editorial.

1575
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:21,610
Something to to just keep in the back

1576
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:22,070
of our mind.

1577
00:59:22,310 --> 00:59:24,290
Well, I have two thoughts on this.

1578
00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:29,110
OK, first of all, I thought that the

1579
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:31,210
reason they went with the free speech idea

1580
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:33,310
was they were making the assumption that because

1581
00:59:33,310 --> 00:59:35,390
it was a conservative court, they would just

1582
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:36,930
be all over free speech.

1583
00:59:37,070 --> 00:59:38,110
It was a cheap trick.

1584
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:39,030
Didn't work.

1585
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:39,530
Good point.

1586
00:59:39,650 --> 00:59:41,730
The second thing is when she's brought up

1587
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:45,530
the algorithm, it was the algorithm was the

1588
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:49,530
algorithm that was algorithms free speech.

1589
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:52,050
He said, no, free speech is free speech.

1590
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:53,850
But people say it's free speech, got nothing

1591
00:59:53,850 --> 00:59:54,730
to do with the algorithm.

1592
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:57,350
The algorithm should have been thrown out of

1593
00:59:57,350 --> 00:59:58,890
the argument by this guy.

1594
00:59:58,890 --> 01:00:01,290
Instead, he buys into and he goes on

1595
01:00:01,290 --> 01:00:03,210
and on about it, trying to describe it.

1596
01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:05,070
This was a huge blunder.

1597
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:06,430
That's what I said.

1598
01:00:06,590 --> 01:00:08,770
I think he did his client a huge.

1599
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:10,370
Well, I don't think he was.

1600
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:13,710
The problem is this is non-technical people.

1601
01:00:14,250 --> 01:00:16,970
Oh, wait, wait until the clips coming up.

1602
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:20,830
You'll see how unsophisticated our Supreme Court is.

1603
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:24,090
They could have gotten anybody to coach them

1604
01:00:24,090 --> 01:00:25,850
at least a little bit on this.

1605
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:27,510
It was embarrassing.

1606
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:31,010
Well, they did the lawyers that come out

1607
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:32,850
in front of the Supreme Court are supposed

1608
01:00:32,850 --> 01:00:34,950
to be the knowledgeable ones that that can

1609
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:37,610
do the coaching on the fly instead of

1610
01:00:37,610 --> 01:00:39,590
falling in the line like this guy.

1611
01:00:39,930 --> 01:00:41,590
No, it was no good.

1612
01:00:42,350 --> 01:00:44,350
And but the reason why he took the

1613
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:47,490
free speech angle is because there's a carve

1614
01:00:47,490 --> 01:00:47,770
out.

1615
01:00:47,830 --> 01:00:50,850
There's an exception in this law, which he

1616
01:00:50,850 --> 01:00:52,430
kept trying to bring up, and he would

1617
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:54,150
get cut off by other justices.

1618
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:56,510
I think because they either they I don't

1619
01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:58,830
think that they were in on the on

1620
01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:01,830
the gag here, but he kept bringing up

1621
01:01:01,830 --> 01:01:02,330
Timu.

1622
01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:06,310
He says, you know, Timu, they collect data,

1623
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:08,090
but they get a carve out.

1624
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:09,030
And it's in this clip.

1625
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:11,190
What we are seeking to do is use

1626
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:15,730
an algorithm that displays the combination of content

1627
01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:19,350
that we prefer our users to see on

1628
01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:19,710
the planet.

1629
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:21,330
And the government doesn't care about that.

1630
01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:23,170
I mean, the government the government is fine

1631
01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:24,450
with you doing that.

1632
01:01:24,590 --> 01:01:26,070
You can invent it yourself.

1633
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:28,150
It doesn't even care what content that displays

1634
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:29,350
cat videos or whatever.

1635
01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:31,610
A lot of cat video examples.

1636
01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:32,990
Lady is dogs.

1637
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:34,390
But I think that the way that the

1638
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:36,550
analysis has to unfold is first you ask,

1639
01:01:36,810 --> 01:01:38,490
is this law burdening our speech?

1640
01:01:38,570 --> 01:01:40,290
I think we agree that the law is

1641
01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:41,130
burdening our speech.

1642
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:42,790
Then you have to look at whether the

1643
01:01:42,790 --> 01:01:46,290
law itself is somehow content based, not just

1644
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:49,110
what their motivations are, but whether the law

1645
01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:50,210
is content based.

1646
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:53,030
And here the trigger for this law, the

1647
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:55,510
one thing that gets it going is if

1648
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:58,170
you operate a social media platform that has

1649
01:01:58,170 --> 01:02:01,790
user generated content, unless that content takes the

1650
01:02:01,790 --> 01:02:04,130
form of a product, travel or business review.

1651
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:07,530
Then within that universe of content, it says

1652
01:02:07,530 --> 01:02:10,670
there's one speaker we're particularly concerned about, and

1653
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:12,810
we're going to hammer home on that one

1654
01:02:12,810 --> 01:02:13,190
speaker.

1655
01:02:13,410 --> 01:02:15,230
And then just to make the rubble bounce,

1656
01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:17,350
they come in and tell us that one

1657
01:02:17,350 --> 01:02:20,450
of the reasons they're targeting that speaker is

1658
01:02:20,450 --> 01:02:23,290
because they're worried about the future content on

1659
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:25,430
that platform, that it could in the future

1660
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:28,290
somehow be critical of the United States or

1661
01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:31,950
undermine democracy to pull examples from the government's

1662
01:02:31,950 --> 01:02:32,110
brief.

1663
01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:34,090
So I think there's no way to get

1664
01:02:34,090 --> 01:02:36,910
around the fact that this is a content

1665
01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:38,390
based speech restriction.

1666
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:40,890
And you do have to go directly to

1667
01:02:40,890 --> 01:02:42,130
what their interests are.

1668
01:02:42,490 --> 01:02:45,430
I think that strengthens your argument that they

1669
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:47,590
went with this because they thought conservative court.

1670
01:02:47,590 --> 01:02:49,010
I think you're absolutely right.

1671
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:51,190
But he talked about the carve out there

1672
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:52,830
and now he's going to try and use

1673
01:02:52,830 --> 01:02:53,090
that.

1674
01:02:53,250 --> 01:02:54,170
What would your argument be?

1675
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:55,810
It would be an equal protection argument.

1676
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:58,170
No, no, I still be saying this is

1677
01:02:58,170 --> 01:02:58,690
the one I want.

1678
01:02:58,850 --> 01:03:00,510
Even if you could get just to the

1679
01:03:00,510 --> 01:03:02,970
data security question again, you'd have to ask

1680
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:05,170
the question, would this law have been passed

1681
01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:06,970
by Congress for data security reasons?

1682
01:03:06,970 --> 01:03:08,850
Because you're being asked to uphold a law

1683
01:03:08,850 --> 01:03:10,530
based on that single governmental interest.

1684
01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:12,370
And when you look through the provisions, like

1685
01:03:12,370 --> 01:03:15,190
the content recommendation algorithm provision, like the covered

1686
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:16,710
company provisions, the answer is no.

1687
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:18,250
And if you're still in doubt on that,

1688
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:20,490
just go back to the under-inclusiveness problem.

1689
01:03:20,930 --> 01:03:23,750
Would a Congress really worried about these very

1690
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:27,090
dramatic risks, leave out an e-commerce site

1691
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:30,230
like Temu that has 70 million Americans using

1692
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:31,430
it and every bit the connection?

1693
01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:33,310
Does Congress have to go all or nothing

1694
01:03:33,310 --> 01:03:33,850
on that?

1695
01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:35,410
I mean, it doesn't have to go all

1696
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:35,710
or nothing.

1697
01:03:35,790 --> 01:03:39,010
They isolate a particular problem.

1698
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:42,450
They might be getting to what you're talking

1699
01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:43,250
about next.

1700
01:03:43,330 --> 01:03:43,910
Who knows?

1701
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:46,330
But you're really sitting up there and saying

1702
01:03:46,330 --> 01:03:50,470
Congress would not pass the divestiture law if

1703
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:53,090
data security were the only interest.

1704
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:55,370
So I'm saying it would not have passed

1705
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:58,490
this divestiture law if data security were the

1706
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:58,950
only interest.

1707
01:03:59,050 --> 01:04:00,990
It's very curious why you just single out

1708
01:04:00,990 --> 01:04:04,150
TikTok alone and not other companies with tens

1709
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:06,410
of millions of people having their own data

1710
01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:09,870
taken in the process of engaging with those

1711
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:12,070
websites and equally, if not more, available to

1712
01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:13,250
Chinese control.

1713
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:16,930
And he has a very good point that

1714
01:04:16,930 --> 01:04:19,030
there was a carve out for companies like

1715
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:23,710
Temu that have Chinese control, Chinese algorithms, but

1716
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:27,270
they recommend product travel or service.

1717
01:04:27,850 --> 01:04:30,970
And therefore, this law does not apply to

1718
01:04:30,970 --> 01:04:31,090
them.

1719
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:33,010
Now, we're going to get into tracking and

1720
01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:34,210
some embarrassing moments.

1721
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:36,570
I just want to say up front, anybody

1722
01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:39,110
who has ever developed and submitted an app

1723
01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:41,130
to any of the app stores I have

1724
01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:46,030
knows how much scrutiny there is, particularly on

1725
01:04:46,030 --> 01:04:46,850
user data.

1726
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:51,730
In fact, Facebook had to turn off certain

1727
01:04:51,730 --> 01:04:57,010
tracking in their app in 2022 on Apple's

1728
01:04:57,010 --> 01:05:00,630
platform, iOS, which they said cost them about

1729
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:02,970
$10 billion annually in revenue.

1730
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:07,010
I mean, it's equal unless Apple and Google

1731
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:08,430
are in on it with TikTok.

1732
01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:09,630
I don't know that.

1733
01:05:09,930 --> 01:05:11,710
And they let them do other things.

1734
01:05:12,190 --> 01:05:14,250
Everybody has the same data.

1735
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:16,850
Everybody can access it as long as you

1736
01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:17,850
get your user to hit.

1737
01:05:18,050 --> 01:05:21,750
OK, the minute the EULA comes up, they

1738
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:23,290
can look at other apps.

1739
01:05:23,350 --> 01:05:24,810
They can look at your health data.

1740
01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:27,470
All of this stuff is available as long

1741
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:28,810
as the user says, OK.

1742
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:30,410
And of course, we all know everyone says,

1743
01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:30,910
OK.

1744
01:05:31,450 --> 01:05:33,050
So now we're going to talk about that.

1745
01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:38,090
Sotomayor, Justice Sotomayor is very unsophisticated.

1746
01:05:38,090 --> 01:05:40,570
In fact, she doesn't even know the difference

1747
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:42,550
between a website and an app.

1748
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:46,650
How many of these sites have all of

1749
01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:50,330
the data collection mechanisms that TikTok has?

1750
01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:53,850
From what I understand from the briefs, not

1751
01:05:53,850 --> 01:05:59,230
only is it getting your information, it's asking

1752
01:05:59,230 --> 01:06:02,170
and most people give it permission to access

1753
01:06:02,170 --> 01:06:06,430
your contact list, whether that contact list has

1754
01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:08,130
permitted them to or not.

1755
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:11,930
So they can now have data about all

1756
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:14,430
of your contacts and anything you say about

1757
01:06:14,430 --> 01:06:14,710
them.

1758
01:06:15,110 --> 01:06:19,110
How many other sites gather information by.

1759
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:20,510
This is so embarrassing.

1760
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:23,150
Sites and the lawyer is even going to

1761
01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:25,150
use the term website like just, all right,

1762
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:27,250
I'll stick with a website, whatever you want,

1763
01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:27,630
lady.

1764
01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:28,450
Keystrokes.

1765
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:30,210
Back it up.

1766
01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:31,050
The keystrokes.

1767
01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:32,170
This is also important.

1768
01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:35,870
And anything you say about them, how many

1769
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:40,750
other sites gather information by keystrokes to be

1770
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:45,990
able to do voice and finger ID information?

1771
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:50,730
If there's a whole lot of data stuff

1772
01:06:50,730 --> 01:06:53,490
that was discussed in the brief that I

1773
01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:56,050
don't think any other website gathers.

1774
01:06:56,970 --> 01:07:00,550
So wouldn't this be a unique site?

1775
01:07:00,550 --> 01:07:04,350
If I viewed the evidence that way, how

1776
01:07:04,350 --> 01:07:05,910
would this be under inclusive?

1777
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:09,530
Justice Sotomayor, I don't think a lot of

1778
01:07:09,530 --> 01:07:11,790
the suppositions you're making actually bear out.

1779
01:07:11,930 --> 01:07:13,390
And as Justice Gorsuch was pointing out, one

1780
01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:15,290
of the, obviously the real challenges in this

1781
01:07:15,290 --> 01:07:17,010
case is it comes to you without an

1782
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:19,890
ordinary trial record compiled and all the rest.

1783
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:23,150
So we have only limited amounts of information,

1784
01:07:23,290 --> 01:07:26,610
but absolutely these other websites are taking much

1785
01:07:26,610 --> 01:07:28,890
the same kind of information, if not more.

1786
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:31,610
And as to the contact list thing, I

1787
01:07:31,610 --> 01:07:33,090
think you also, that points out one other

1788
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:33,750
aspect of this.

1789
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:36,210
That is a voluntary decision by an American

1790
01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:37,790
user to share that information.

1791
01:07:38,330 --> 01:07:39,270
You know, in the Riley case.

1792
01:07:39,290 --> 01:07:39,950
But not informed.

1793
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:43,910
If you don't think it's informed, that could

1794
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:44,250
be solved by a warrant or exposure.

1795
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:46,770
Well, no, it can't be, because for the

1796
01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:49,930
United States, the threat of using that information

1797
01:07:50,370 --> 01:07:51,610
is what is at issue.

1798
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:54,450
It's not whether the user thinks it's okay.

1799
01:07:54,450 --> 01:07:56,770
It's whether the U.S. believes that it

1800
01:07:56,770 --> 01:07:58,990
could put sites at issue.

1801
01:07:59,370 --> 01:08:06,190
Now, unfortunately, the documentation of what TikTok slash

1802
01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:11,150
ByteDance collects was sealed, meaning that it could

1803
01:08:11,150 --> 01:08:12,090
not be made public.

1804
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:13,230
It's trade secrets.

1805
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:16,990
The justices were pointed towards this, and it

1806
01:08:16,990 --> 01:08:18,810
sounded to me like they hadn't read it.

1807
01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:21,090
We certainly can't.

1808
01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:23,510
I was hoping there would be something in

1809
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:24,210
the documentation.

1810
01:08:24,529 --> 01:08:26,130
There is a little bit, which I have

1811
01:08:26,130 --> 01:08:26,729
marked up.

1812
01:08:27,130 --> 01:08:30,649
The platform collects extensive personal information from and

1813
01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:31,510
about its users.

1814
01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:35,170
Data collection practices extend to age, phone number,

1815
01:08:35,270 --> 01:08:38,430
precise location, internet address, device use, phone contacts,

1816
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:41,850
social network connections, content of private messages sent

1817
01:08:41,850 --> 01:08:43,790
to the application, and videos watched.

1818
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:48,410
TikTok user data, user content, behavioral, including keystroke

1819
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:49,470
patterns and rhythms.

1820
01:08:50,069 --> 01:08:52,729
This is all the stuff that every single

1821
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:57,770
app can track with Firebase, Amplitude, UX Cam,

1822
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:58,950
Mixpanel.

1823
01:08:59,290 --> 01:09:01,550
They even have session replays so you can

1824
01:09:01,550 --> 01:09:03,330
see exactly what a user did.

1825
01:09:03,670 --> 01:09:05,210
This is nothing new.

1826
01:09:05,890 --> 01:09:08,770
Then the guy throws in a kicker, the

1827
01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:11,569
lawyer, I like this, which made me go,

1828
01:09:11,729 --> 01:09:12,950
yeah, how about that?

1829
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:14,630
Something else that I think you might notice

1830
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:16,950
is even if all this act goes into

1831
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:19,750
effect and the law goes through, TikTok gets

1832
01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:20,830
to keep all the data.

1833
01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:23,649
So wouldn't a data security law require them

1834
01:09:23,649 --> 01:09:25,569
to expunge that data or get rid of

1835
01:09:25,569 --> 01:09:26,090
it or something?

1836
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:28,229
I mean, it's a very weird law if

1837
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:29,850
you're just looking at through a data security

1838
01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:31,390
lens, and maybe Congress could do better.

1839
01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:32,149
Mr. Fisher.

1840
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:35,790
Yes, good point.

1841
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:37,569
Good point.

1842
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:40,750
You've driven me over the boredom cliff.

1843
01:09:41,569 --> 01:09:43,370
Oh, I'm sorry, but you're going to have

1844
01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:44,750
to listen to it because it gets really

1845
01:09:44,750 --> 01:09:45,370
good now.

1846
01:09:47,790 --> 01:09:48,109
Okay.

1847
01:09:48,109 --> 01:09:52,870
Please stay with me because when Justice Alito

1848
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:56,910
compares an algorithm to an old shirt, I

1849
01:09:56,910 --> 01:09:58,350
mean, that's got to be worth something.

1850
01:09:58,470 --> 01:10:00,250
I think you should have led with that,

1851
01:10:00,350 --> 01:10:00,770
but okay.

1852
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:03,170
This may not make any difference for constitutional

1853
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:06,510
purposes, but just out of curiosity, I'd like

1854
01:10:06,510 --> 01:10:10,130
you to explain what the practical consequences would

1855
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:14,330
likely be for your clients if TikTok went

1856
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:17,650
dark, as Mr. Francisco put it.

1857
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:20,910
There, I assume, is a great demand for

1858
01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:25,430
what TikTok provides, and if TikTok was no

1859
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:30,630
longer there to provide what your clients really

1860
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:33,710
want, is there a reason to doubt that

1861
01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:37,230
some other social media company would not jump

1862
01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:41,210
in and take advantage of this very lucrative

1863
01:10:41,210 --> 01:10:41,710
market?

1864
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:43,950
There are two reasons, Justice Alito.

1865
01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:46,530
One is many of the declarations from my

1866
01:10:46,530 --> 01:10:49,390
clients actually explain they've tried on other platforms

1867
01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:51,170
to generate the kind of audience and engagement

1868
01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:53,130
they've been able to on TikTok, and they've

1869
01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:53,570
fallen dramatically.

1870
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:55,590
I know they haven't so far, and I'm

1871
01:10:55,590 --> 01:11:00,110
just wondering whether this is like somebody's attachment

1872
01:11:00,110 --> 01:11:02,730
to an old article of clothing.

1873
01:11:02,970 --> 01:11:04,890
I mean, I really love this old shirt

1874
01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:07,810
because I've been wearing this old shirt, but

1875
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:11,730
I could go out and buy something exactly

1876
01:11:11,730 --> 01:11:12,290
like that.

1877
01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:13,890
But no, I like the old shirt.

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01:11:14,010 --> 01:11:15,130
Is that what we have here, or is

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there some reason to think that only ByteDance

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01:11:18,450 --> 01:11:24,850
has this device, this magical algorithm that all

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01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:26,870
of the geniuses at Meta and all of

1882
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:29,010
these other social media companies, they couldn't.

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01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:31,050
No matter, they put their minds to it,

1884
01:11:31,090 --> 01:11:31,610
they couldn't.

1885
01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:33,670
When he said Meta, I'm like, okay, he

1886
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:34,030
doesn't know.

1887
01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:35,450
He really has no clue.

1888
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:37,110
No clue.

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01:11:38,170 --> 01:11:41,230
The Solicitor General on behalf of the United

1890
01:11:41,230 --> 01:11:44,030
States who was there to defend decision by

1891
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:46,750
Congress, she was the worst.

1892
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:51,790
I think she may be a Zoomer, but

1893
01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:54,070
she's definitely millennial.

1894
01:11:55,450 --> 01:11:58,670
I mean, can you just, if you were

1895
01:11:58,670 --> 01:12:01,510
to defend this, what would the example be

1896
01:12:01,510 --> 01:12:03,470
that you give that China could do with

1897
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:06,750
all of our important personal information?

1898
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:09,370
What could China possibly do that would be

1899
01:12:09,370 --> 01:12:10,690
so horrible for us?

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,080
The only example they've come up with, and

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,680
you played it already, and I played it

1902
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,960
before, is that you can blackmail somebody in

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01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:23,500
the future.

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01:12:23,740 --> 01:12:26,480
But this is, again, the example I used

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01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:29,540
before previously was that it's like having pictures

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01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:32,420
of your kid crying or doing some little

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01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:34,180
thing when they were three or four years

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01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:36,520
old and then showing it at their high

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01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,720
school graduation as a joke to humiliate them,

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,290
which is what parents love to do.

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01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:45,400
And that's as far as it gets, which

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,640
is, this is their argument.

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01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:48,320
It's like, hey, you know, we got some

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:48,800
information.

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,980
We're going to, you're going to join the

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01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:50,380
CIA.

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01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,400
We got some information showing you walked around

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,560
naked when you were three.

1919
01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:56,600
It got nothing.

1920
01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:58,280
It's a bogus argument.

1921
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,920
Didn't even come up.

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,220
Didn't even come up.

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,400
It's much stupider.

1924
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:04,480
General Prelogger.

1925
01:13:05,140 --> 01:13:07,460
Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the

1926
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:10,920
court, the Chinese government's control of TikTok poses

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,900
a grave threat to national security.

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01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:13,980
Grave threat.

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01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,920
No one disputes that the PRC seeks to

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,960
undermine U.S. interests by amassing vast quantities

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,940
of sensitive data about Americans and by engaging

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01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:24,520
in covert influence operations.

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:25,500
This was the term.

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:27,240
Covert influence.

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01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:29,660
What did she say?

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01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:31,880
Covert influence operations.

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01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:34,440
Covert content manipulation.

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01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:37,440
And no one disputes that the PRC pursues

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01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,580
those goals by compelling companies like Bankdance to

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01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:43,360
secretly turn over data and carry out PRC

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,000
directives.

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01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:47,140
Those realities mean that the Chinese government could

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01:13:47,140 --> 01:13:49,300
weaponize TikTok at any time to harm the

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01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:50,040
United States.

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,900
OK, here comes the weaponization.

1946
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:53,160
Stand back, everybody.

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,600
TikTok collects unprecedented amounts of personal data.

1948
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,900
And as Justice Sotomayor noted, it's not just

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01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:02,560
about the 170 million American users, but also

1950
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,740
about their non-user contacts who might not

1951
01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:06,700
even be engaging with the platform.

1952
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,700
That data would be incredibly valuable to the

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01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:10,280
PRC.

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:10,660
OK.

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01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,460
For years, the Chinese government has sought to

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01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:17,140
build detailed profiles about Americans, where we live

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01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:19,600
and work, who our friends and coworkers are,

1958
01:14:19,860 --> 01:14:22,080
what our interests are, and what our vices

1959
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:22,500
are.

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01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,820
TikTok's immense data set would give the PRC

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01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:30,040
a powerful tool for harassment, recruitment, and espionage.

1962
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,260
On top of that, the Chinese government's control

1963
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:35,460
over TikTok gives it a potent weapon for

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01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:36,840
covert influence operations.

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01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:39,500
And my friends are wrong to suggest that

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01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:42,020
Congress was seeking to suppress specific types of

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01:14:42,020 --> 01:14:44,340
content or specific types of viewpoints.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,840
Instead, the national security harm arises from the

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,100
very fact of a foreign adversary's capacity to

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01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:54,200
secretly manipulate the platform to advance its geopolitical

1971
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,780
goals in whatever form that kind of covert

1972
01:14:56,780 --> 01:14:58,020
operation might take.

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01:14:58,420 --> 01:15:00,940
The act addresses the threat of foreign adversary

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01:15:00,940 --> 01:15:03,120
control with laser-like focus.

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01:15:03,580 --> 01:15:06,560
It requires only divestiture of TikTok to prevent

1976
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,020
Chinese government control.

1977
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,200
And that divestiture remedy follows a long tradition

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01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,000
of barring foreign control.

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01:15:13,220 --> 01:15:13,540
All right.

1980
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:15,320
I'm going to keep it short for you.

1981
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,000
So what she says— She's projecting, by the

1982
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,240
way.

1983
01:15:18,580 --> 01:15:19,020
What do you mean?

1984
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,360
What she's describing is what we do.

1985
01:15:22,540 --> 01:15:23,340
Well, exactly.

1986
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,700
I mean, you don't want China doing this.

1987
01:15:26,780 --> 01:15:29,000
Do you want your own American companies being

1988
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:29,860
able to do this?

1989
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:30,560
Well, of course.

1990
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:32,620
That's exactly what the Twitter files were about.

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01:15:32,980 --> 01:15:35,380
OK, we're going to bring Thomas and Kagan

1992
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:35,960
into it.

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01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:40,480
Is there any difference between content manipulation by

1994
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,020
a non-U.S. company as opposed to

1995
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:43,920
a U.S. company?

1996
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:44,760
Your question?

1997
01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:45,240
Exactly.

1998
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:49,160
I didn't hear Mr. Fisher make a distinction

1999
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,180
between the two.

2000
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:51,700
Yes.

2001
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,660
And I think the important thing to recognize

2002
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:56,360
is that the act here is targeting covert

2003
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,340
content manipulation by a foreign adversary nation.

2004
01:15:59,660 --> 01:16:01,400
Now, I understand my friends to say— What

2005
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:02,200
difference does that make?

2006
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,560
The difference is that there is no protected

2007
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,940
First Amendment right for a foreign adversary to

2008
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:09,120
exploit its control over its speech platform.

2009
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:11,900
The difference between covert and non-covert.

2010
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:14,460
So I think that Congress's concern with the

2011
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:17,020
covert operation was that a foreign adversary could

2012
01:16:17,020 --> 01:16:20,680
effectively weaponize this platform behind the scenes in

2013
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,620
order to achieve any number of geopolitical goals.

2014
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,300
Here are some of the examples that come

2015
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:25,740
to mind.

2016
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:26,800
OK, get ready.

2017
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:28,700
One of the pages out of the playbook

2018
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:31,180
here is for a foreign adversary to simply

2019
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:33,480
try to get Americans arguing with one another

2020
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:36,220
to create chaos and distraction in order to

2021
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:38,240
weaken the United States as a general matter

2022
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,100
and distract from any activities that the foreign

2023
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:42,940
adversary might want to conduct on the world

2024
01:16:42,940 --> 01:16:43,120
stage.

2025
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,240
What do you mean by covert, though?

2026
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,840
I mean— I mean, isn't this amazing?

2027
01:16:46,020 --> 01:16:46,980
That's her example?

2028
01:16:47,540 --> 01:16:49,820
We can get Americans to argue with each

2029
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:50,120
other?

2030
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:52,200
Really?

2031
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,300
That's what it's come down to?

2032
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,080
Is covert just mean it's hard to figure

2033
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,500
out how the algorithm works?

2034
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,320
Because we could say that about every algorithm.

2035
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,020
No, the covert nature of it comes from

2036
01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:07,000
the fact that it's not apparent that the

2037
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,560
PRC is the one behind the scenes pulling

2038
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,120
the strings here and deciding exactly what content

2039
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,880
is going to be made to appear on

2040
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,280
the site.

2041
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,180
And another way that— It's just because we

2042
01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:17,780
don't know that China's behind it?

2043
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,020
That's what covert means?

2044
01:17:19,180 --> 01:17:21,480
It doesn't have anything to do with the

2045
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,840
difficulty of figuring out what the algorithm is

2046
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:24,120
doing?

2047
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,580
It's just because people don't know that China

2048
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:27,860
is pulling the strings?

2049
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:29,060
That's what covert means?

2050
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:31,500
What it means is that Americans are on

2051
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:33,540
this platform thinking that they are speaking to

2052
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:35,800
one another, and this recommendation engine that is

2053
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,780
apparently so valuable is organically directing their speech

2054
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:39,440
to each other.

2055
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,800
And what is covert is that the PRC,

2056
01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:44,700
a foreign adversary nation, is instead exploiting a

2057
01:17:44,700 --> 01:17:46,260
vulnerability in the system to suppress and silence—

2058
01:17:46,260 --> 01:17:48,060
Well, if that's what it means that people

2059
01:17:48,060 --> 01:17:50,620
don't know that China's behind it, everybody now

2060
01:17:50,620 --> 01:17:52,260
knows that China is behind it.

2061
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,940
Anyway, then all those justices doubled down.

2062
01:17:56,020 --> 01:17:57,880
They were making jokes about the fact that

2063
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,240
everybody knows it's Chinese.

2064
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,420
The whole thing was completely idiotic and stupid

2065
01:18:03,420 --> 01:18:05,740
and highly underinformed.

2066
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:07,820
Highly underinformed.

2067
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,760
So we need to get TikTok back, and

2068
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,080
we need to get people selling crap again.

2069
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,100
This is what we do.

2070
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,420
Sorry I bored you.

2071
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:24,720
Is that it?

2072
01:18:24,940 --> 01:18:26,120
Well, I'll stop here.

2073
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:26,540
Yeah.

2074
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,000
You were going to have more?

2075
01:18:29,660 --> 01:18:31,300
Well, I'd had only one more, but it's

2076
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:31,780
enough.

2077
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:32,240
It's enough.

2078
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,120
It was just more joking about covert China

2079
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,860
and her saying that, oh, Americans will start

2080
01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:38,360
arguing.

2081
01:18:38,580 --> 01:18:39,880
And then I think it was Kagan.

2082
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,260
Gorsuch says, well, if that's what they wanted,

2083
01:18:43,540 --> 01:18:44,460
they've already won.

2084
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,780
We did it with our own companies.

2085
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:50,280
So the whole thing was just idiotic.

2086
01:18:50,340 --> 01:18:54,740
And clearly Silicon Valley, mainstream money to get

2087
01:18:54,740 --> 01:18:55,440
rid of TikTok.

2088
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,140
And I think Trump will use this to

2089
01:18:58,140 --> 01:18:59,440
a great advantage.

2090
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:02,780
He'll lord this over Silicon Valley, over his

2091
01:19:02,780 --> 01:19:03,520
tech bros.

2092
01:19:04,020 --> 01:19:05,500
He'll lord it over everybody.

2093
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:06,860
Let me see what I can do with

2094
01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:07,080
this.

2095
01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:08,500
He can keep it going for at least

2096
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:09,080
three months.

2097
01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:13,620
Maybe I should let those guys come back.

2098
01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:15,120
Maybe we should do this.

2099
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,700
I think it's great political currency for Trump.

2100
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,100
With China as well.

2101
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,860
Hey, why don't you open source that algo?

2102
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,140
Let our guys in on it.

2103
01:19:27,460 --> 01:19:28,940
We'll lower the tariffs to 10%.

2104
01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:36,470
Okay.

2105
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:41,750
And now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

2106
01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:45,910
Do a count on the chat room.

2107
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:51,090
I have the banning TikTok news.

2108
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:53,550
This would have been my contribution.

2109
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:55,430
2,655.

2110
01:19:58,530 --> 01:19:59,450
2,600?

2111
01:19:59,850 --> 01:20:00,510
And 55.

2112
01:20:01,090 --> 01:20:02,070
That's a hundred over.

2113
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:02,710
Yeah.

2114
01:20:02,970 --> 01:20:04,950
So they were riveted by this presentation.

2115
01:20:05,070 --> 01:20:05,450
That's good.

2116
01:20:05,550 --> 01:20:06,190
Of course they were.

2117
01:20:06,190 --> 01:20:08,230
This would be my...

2118
01:20:08,230 --> 01:20:09,270
Of course they were.

2119
01:20:09,390 --> 01:20:09,950
Of course they were.

2120
01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:14,230
Bickering at the Supreme Court Department.

2121
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:14,710
Okay.

2122
01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:15,470
You know what?

2123
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:18,630
I think we learned a lot more than

2124
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:20,030
you got anywhere else.

2125
01:20:21,070 --> 01:20:22,950
We didn't learn anything anywhere else.

2126
01:20:22,990 --> 01:20:25,610
In fact, this is the extent of it.

2127
01:20:25,690 --> 01:20:27,650
This is the banning TikTok news clip.

2128
01:20:27,730 --> 01:20:30,870
This would be what you hear anywhere else.

2129
01:20:31,010 --> 01:20:34,190
The popular social media app TikTok says it

2130
01:20:34,190 --> 01:20:36,870
will go dark for its 170 million US

2131
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:38,950
users tomorrow, but it may only be for

2132
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:39,450
a day.

2133
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:42,530
President-elect Trump said he will most likely

2134
01:20:42,530 --> 01:20:44,810
give the app a 90-day reprieve from

2135
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:46,530
a law banning it once he takes office

2136
01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:47,110
on Monday.

2137
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:49,130
That came in a phone interview with NBC

2138
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:49,630
News.

2139
01:20:50,170 --> 01:20:53,530
Despite that, TikTok says it wants further assurances

2140
01:20:53,530 --> 01:20:56,250
from the Biden administration since it will be

2141
01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:58,170
in charge tomorrow when the ban is to

2142
01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:58,710
take effect.

2143
01:20:59,290 --> 01:21:01,870
Well, that ban lasted less than 12 hours.

2144
01:21:02,350 --> 01:21:05,230
Or that self-imposed ban lasted less than

2145
01:21:05,230 --> 01:21:05,930
12 hours.

2146
01:21:06,090 --> 01:21:07,450
It was a publicity stunt.

2147
01:21:07,670 --> 01:21:08,350
Of course it was.

2148
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:10,830
So since you're playing this sort of clips,

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01:21:10,930 --> 01:21:12,510
I have something to compete with it.

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01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:14,030
I have three clips, only those.

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01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:14,470
Oh, all right.

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01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:15,150
Don't take that long.

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01:21:15,230 --> 01:21:15,630
All right.

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01:21:15,710 --> 01:21:16,270
A couple of minutes.

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01:21:16,450 --> 01:21:16,850
All right.

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01:21:16,970 --> 01:21:20,930
But NPR downloaded the comms of the fire

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01:21:20,930 --> 01:21:21,650
department.

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01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:22,330
Oh.

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01:21:23,610 --> 01:21:25,210
During the event.

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01:21:25,390 --> 01:21:26,870
And it turns out, and if you listen

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01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:28,870
to it carefully, the timeline that we were

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01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:30,590
presented with isn't quite accurate.

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01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:33,990
NPR's investigations team downloaded more than 2,000

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01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:36,370
hours of communications between first responders.

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01:21:36,970 --> 01:21:38,930
And that audio shows how crews trying to

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01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:41,410
control the fires ran into a huge problem

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01:21:41,410 --> 01:21:42,790
with the water supply.

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01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:45,310
Here's more on that from NPR's Kiara Eisner.

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01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:48,790
Just eight hours after the first responders saw

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01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:51,650
that brush fire, a firefighter sent out an

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01:21:51,650 --> 01:21:53,270
urgent message on the radio.

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01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:57,070
If you can get a hold of any

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01:21:57,070 --> 01:22:00,230
sort of public works or DWP, our folks

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01:22:00,230 --> 01:22:01,750
are starting to report that they're running out

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01:22:01,750 --> 01:22:02,990
of water in the hydrant systems.

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01:22:03,650 --> 01:22:06,050
The dispatcher jumped in to say people were

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01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:07,330
trying to fix the problem.

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01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:07,930
Got that.

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01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:08,670
It's being worked on.

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01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:12,590
Six minutes later, a firefighter suggested sending a

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01:22:12,590 --> 01:22:15,650
truck that transports water, called a tender, to

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01:22:15,650 --> 01:22:16,070
the scene.

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01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:20,610
With us losing our water up here, is

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01:22:20,610 --> 01:22:22,130
there any way we can get a bunch

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01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:25,350
of water tenders through the city and we

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01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:26,510
can keg them up at least in a

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01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:28,970
safe area up in the Palisades and we

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01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:32,350
can set up a portable hydrant system so

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01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:34,530
our folks can have a shorter turnaround time?

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01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:36,810
But reaching the fire was not easy.

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01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:39,450
As fire trucks and tenders tried to rush

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01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:42,030
there, they had to fight through crazy traffic.

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01:22:42,890 --> 01:22:45,070
You've got gridlock on Palisades Drive.

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01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:46,650
People are driving down both sides.

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01:22:47,010 --> 01:22:49,250
And the fire itself kept moving.

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01:22:49,870 --> 01:22:52,630
With the wind that we're experiencing up here

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01:22:52,630 --> 01:22:55,210
and I'm looking across Canyon, that's where it

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01:22:55,210 --> 01:22:55,870
looks like it's headed.

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01:22:56,590 --> 01:22:59,730
Nearby, a super scooper was providing support from

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01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:00,290
the air.

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01:23:01,050 --> 01:23:03,050
That's a plane that scoops up water from

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01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:06,190
lakes or other reservoirs to dump on fires.

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01:23:06,430 --> 01:23:08,730
L.A. County, Quebec 2, flight of 2,

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01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:10,790
super scoopers just leaving the fire scene at

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01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:11,310
this time.

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01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:13,630
We're showing Van Nuys in about three minutes.

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01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:18,750
NPR journalists transcribed and analyzed communications from 13

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01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:21,650
audio feeds streaming L.A. City and county

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01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:23,130
first responder channels.

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01:23:23,130 --> 01:23:26,910
The feeds were downloaded from broadcastify.com, a

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01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:28,450
live audio streaming platform.

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01:23:28,810 --> 01:23:29,450
Oh boy.

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01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:31,470
Someone's going to get in trouble for this

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01:23:31,470 --> 01:23:32,050
one.

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01:23:33,330 --> 01:23:34,210
I'm going to have to...

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01:23:34,210 --> 01:23:35,750
So you listen to these clips.

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01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:36,670
I've got two more.

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01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:40,710
And the timeline that we were, I was

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01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:42,410
led to believe, and I'm going to skip,

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01:23:42,670 --> 01:23:44,310
not going to skip these clips, but I'm

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01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:47,450
going to jump to an analysis that was

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01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:50,690
done by NPR itself earlier in one of

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01:23:50,690 --> 01:23:51,470
the other shows.

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01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:53,690
And play this so we can get a

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01:23:53,690 --> 01:23:54,290
little background.

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01:23:54,770 --> 01:23:59,110
This clip is called NPR coverage about water.

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01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:00,550
This is our coverup.

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01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:02,730
This is a coverup story.

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01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:03,990
If you listen to this and then we

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01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:06,150
get back to the downloaded clips.

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01:24:06,290 --> 01:24:08,950
NPR spoke to half a dozen water and

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01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:12,170
fire experts who say no municipal water systems

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01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:13,950
are designed for fires this big.

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01:24:14,230 --> 01:24:16,270
They say the issue was not a lack

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01:24:16,270 --> 01:24:19,270
of water, but hurricane force winds that meant

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01:24:19,270 --> 01:24:21,750
aircraft couldn't fly and drop water on the

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01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:22,210
blazes.

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01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:25,610
A popular false narrative claims billionaire Stuart and

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01:24:25,610 --> 01:24:28,570
Linda Resnick hoarded water on their California farms

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01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:30,710
that could have been used to fight fires.

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01:24:31,090 --> 01:24:34,330
Stephanie Pincel, professor at UCLA, says while the

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01:24:34,330 --> 01:24:36,050
Resnicks use a lot of water.

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01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:40,590
Their groundwater is distinct and not germane to

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01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:41,730
the problem.

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01:24:41,850 --> 01:24:43,530
We did not run out of water.

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01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:45,410
Julia Simon, NPR News.

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01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:48,270
We did not run out of water.

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01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:49,150
This is bullcrap.

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01:24:49,150 --> 01:24:50,930
And if you listen to that first clip,

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01:24:50,970 --> 01:24:54,070
they were using the, they were dumping waters

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01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:55,530
from airplanes initially.

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01:24:55,530 --> 01:24:58,590
It was later after they'd long since run

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01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:01,590
out of water that they grounded the airplanes.

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01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:02,710
Wow, man.

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01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:04,090
Yep.

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01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:06,670
Does NPR make this conclusion?

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01:25:07,570 --> 01:25:08,570
No, of course not.

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01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:11,050
Because this stupid coverup story that you just

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01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:13,850
played was their argument that, oh, no, everything

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01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:14,330
is fine.

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01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:18,030
Heaven forbid that we, there's self contradictory here.

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01:25:18,030 --> 01:25:21,830
They play these downloaded clips and then the

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01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:23,550
next thing you know, they're trying to cover

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01:25:23,550 --> 01:25:23,990
it up.

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01:25:24,230 --> 01:25:26,090
But listen to this, here's part two of

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01:25:26,090 --> 01:25:27,810
the comms.

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01:25:28,150 --> 01:25:31,050
By Tuesday evening, the communications show conditions were

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01:25:31,050 --> 01:25:33,090
getting increasingly dangerous.

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01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:54,500
And by 2 a.m. the next morning,

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01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,300
first responders were organizing rescues.

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01:25:57,300 --> 01:26:00,140
Yeah, we've done an ALS transport of a

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01:26:00,140 --> 01:26:03,840
chest pain, possible CO poisoning of a firefighter.

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01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,800
To where we're getting a report of a

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01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,640
patient needs to be evac'd on a ventilator

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01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,280
and they've lost power.

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01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:13,520
But a few minutes later, the radio communications

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01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,880
again turned to the water problem.

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,020
We've lost most of the hydro pressure in

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01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:19,360
Zulu.

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01:26:19,660 --> 01:26:21,920
By the time the firefighter issued that update

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,420
from a section of the Palisades fire, other

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01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:26,420
parts of LA had already started burning.

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01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:28,720
We are now on scene of a structure

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01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,860
fire on Altadena.

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01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,900
The Eaton fire near Altadena had started Tuesday

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01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:35,240
evening at the base of the Angeles National

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,720
Forest.

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01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,920
That's about an hour's drive northeast of Palisades.

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01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,040
Just after midnight in the early morning on

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01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,940
Wednesday, the water appeared to be running out

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01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:45,600
there too.

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01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,500
Truck 82, we have multiple fire alarms and

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01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:50,980
tree fires, bush fires.

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01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,460
Copy that LA, we do not have water.

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01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:56,700
And by 6 a.m. firefighters near the

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01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,520
Altadena neighborhood were mentioning problems with hydrants.

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01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:02,680
We're having some water supply issues.

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01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,480
Some of the hydrants are going dry.

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01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,920
The communications indicate this came as a surprise

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01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:08,920
to the first responders.

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,360
Were you having any issues like that before?

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01:27:12,140 --> 01:27:13,100
No negative.

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01:27:13,220 --> 01:27:15,740
I haven't heard of anyone having issues with

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01:27:15,740 --> 01:27:16,440
the hydrants.

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01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:19,200
Let me check and see if they can

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01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,000
boost the pumps or it could be the

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01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,060
tanks are getting low.

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01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:25,880
And just past midday on Wednesday, a firefighter

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,260
made a dire announcement.

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01:27:27,620 --> 01:27:29,280
Hey, I see operations just further.

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01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:34,400
We're up at Lake in Altadena and all

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01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,420
the hydrants up here are dead.

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01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,160
We're working on trying to find water for

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01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:37,340
them.

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01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,080
Yeah, lies.

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,160
It's unbelievable.

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01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,100
And so this is the last clip.

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01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:51,100
California Governor Gavin Newsom ordered an investigation last

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01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:53,760
week into how the fire hydrants lost pressure

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01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:55,980
and how they stopped providing water.

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01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:59,060
City officials say the system was never designed

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01:27:59,060 --> 01:28:01,580
for large wildfires like Palisades or Eden.

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01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,240
It was designed for house fires or urban

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01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:04,720
fires.

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01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:06,940
But in a letter the governor wrote to

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01:28:06,940 --> 01:28:08,880
the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power,

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01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,920
one of the utilities in charge, Newsom demanded

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01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:12,460
answers.

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01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:16,140
On the radio channel, a first responder also

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01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:17,920
thought about reaching out to the water company.

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01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:20,200
Just checking to see if we have a

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01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,900
representative for the water department so we can

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01:28:22,900 --> 01:28:24,440
maybe work on water supply issues.

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01:28:24,780 --> 01:28:26,740
But in the meantime, there was only one

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01:28:26,740 --> 01:28:27,620
thing they could do.

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01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,300
Pick your best targets of opportunity the best

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01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:30,780
you can.

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01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,560
We're having real problems with water.

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01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:35,380
No water at all.

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:36,400
So do your best.

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01:28:37,220 --> 01:28:39,280
Reva Duncan is a former fire chief with

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01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,420
the U.S. Forest Service.

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01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,300
She says that sort of response is often

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01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:44,360
the only option.

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01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:46,900
When they run out of water and they're

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01:28:46,900 --> 01:28:48,740
in that kind of situation, then they have

2347
01:28:48,740 --> 01:28:50,440
to kind of do triage.

2348
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:53,220
Do we have to move even farther over

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01:28:53,220 --> 01:28:55,620
where we can be effective and efficient with

2350
01:28:55,620 --> 01:28:57,940
our water and at least try to stop

2351
01:28:57,940 --> 01:28:59,500
some kind of progress of the fire?

2352
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,160
Firefighters are trained to keep their cool when

2353
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,360
communicating on the scene and over the radio.

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01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:07,420
But Duncan says it's still devastating to run

2355
01:29:07,420 --> 01:29:08,180
out of resources.

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01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,120
It's hard for us to watch people's homes

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01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,180
burn down and then lose everything, especially when

2358
01:29:13,180 --> 01:29:15,740
it's the situation where there's so little that

2359
01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:17,380
firefighters can do at that time.

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01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:19,980
More than 40,000 acres have burned in

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01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:22,620
LA so far across the different fire regions.

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01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,080
That's an area three times the size of

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01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:25,420
Manhattan.

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01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,000
They like doing that Manhattan comparison.

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01:29:29,380 --> 01:29:30,860
Three times the size of Manhattan.

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01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:31,920
That's a classic.

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01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:33,960
I'm sure you received this.

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01:29:34,460 --> 01:29:36,360
If not, it's in the show notes.

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01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:41,600
The Design for Disaster documentary, 1962.

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01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:44,960
No, I did not receive this.

2371
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,940
Oh, it's the story of the Bel Air

2372
01:29:46,940 --> 01:29:48,920
and Brentwood water fire.

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01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,380
Yeah, it's a big deal.

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01:29:50,660 --> 01:29:51,940
Yeah, it's really good.

2375
01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:55,280
And that was the catalyst for, you know,

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01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:58,040
brush clearing, et cetera, which I think just

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01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,460
wasn't happening anymore.

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01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,440
It's a good doc.

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01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,660
It's about half an hour.

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01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:07,060
This is the same as this typical, like

2381
01:30:07,060 --> 01:30:08,020
the financial thing.

2382
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,320
I describe it all the time.

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01:30:09,420 --> 01:30:11,540
You put all these rules in place to

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01:30:11,540 --> 01:30:12,780
keep something from happening.

2385
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,200
The rules keep it from happening.

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01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:17,240
And then after a few years, people say,

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01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,200
this isn't happening.

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01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:19,980
What do we need all these rules for?

2389
01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:21,500
Exactly.

2390
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:24,180
It's just a natural phenomenon.

2391
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:27,260
So they stopped doing all the work they

2392
01:30:27,260 --> 01:30:28,080
should have been doing.

2393
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:35,360
They left that 117 million gallon reservoir dead

2394
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:35,980
empty.

2395
01:30:36,260 --> 01:30:36,500
Yeah.

2396
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,160
Which was the Palisades Reservoir, dead empty.

2397
01:30:40,940 --> 01:30:42,860
And then they ran out of water right

2398
01:30:42,860 --> 01:30:43,420
away.

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01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:44,960
Right away.

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01:30:45,340 --> 01:30:45,720
Whoops.

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01:30:46,820 --> 01:30:48,300
It's just like, it's unbelievable.

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01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:49,700
What a fiasco.

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01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:50,500
What a botch.

2404
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:53,140
Of course, we don't really have to worry

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01:30:53,140 --> 01:30:55,940
because we're Americans and we do what Americans

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01:30:55,940 --> 01:30:57,080
do in these situations.

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01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,420
Here's my 18 second NPR clip.

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01:30:59,580 --> 01:31:02,220
Music stars will hold a benefit concert for

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01:31:02,220 --> 01:31:03,480
LA fire victims.

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01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,380
The event's called Fire Aid.

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01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:08,000
It will be staged on January 30th in

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01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:08,760
two venues.

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01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:12,000
Some of the performers will include Lady Gaga,

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01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,860
Jelly Roll, Billie Eilish and the Red Hot

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01:31:14,860 --> 01:31:15,500
Chili Peppers.

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I'm Corva Coleman, NPR News.

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Nothing like some Red Hot Chili Peppers at

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your Fire Aid, huh?

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Yeah, perfect.

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Fire Aid.

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Last night, Saturday Night Live, had Dave Chappelle.

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I haven't seen it all, but what I

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saw was really good.

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Did a very funny sketch about a family

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in Los Angeles.

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And he also said this 50 seconds in

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his monologue.

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And then we watch the news or talk

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to my friends.

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They all have these conspiracy theories of what

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started these fires.

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Now they say it's arsonists.

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I've heard this theory and I'm sure there

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were some arsonists, but there were a lot

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of elements that came together to make this

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fire the catastrophe that was.

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The winds were 100 miles an hour.

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LA was dry as a bone in the

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levees.

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And there was just too many factors.

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If you were a rational thinking person, you

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have to at least consider the possibility that

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God hates these people.

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That's not true because West Hollywood was unscathed.

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Because how can you burn what is already

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flaming?

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I hope they bring him on to Fire

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Aid.

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Have him crack some jokes.

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They won't.

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No, of course they won't.

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He probably didn't even clear it with Lauren.

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All the stuff he did.

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People are already selling.

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TMZ had one of those celebrity realtors on.

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Josh Altman.

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Have you ever seen Josh Altman?

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No.

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You know these shows though, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they do all the high end stuff.

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And so they cornered him.

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This is hard to say.

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I strongly believe that 50% of the

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people who lived in the Palisades are not

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going to be moving back to the Palisades.

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Why?

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Yeah.

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And honestly, that number wasn't as big last

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week in my mind.

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But after the phone calls that I've been

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getting, people who are moving to Brentwood, Santa

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Monica, Bel Air, Beverly Hills, those are going

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to be the markets that are going to

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go up because people want to be as

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close to normalcy as possible.

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And those are those towns right around the

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Palisades.

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Those are going to go up that market.

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That's where they're going to move.

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It's going to be too long.

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You got to realize the Palisades is the

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all American town, right?

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The families are running around.

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It's like what you picture towns in movies

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that we used to watch.

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These kids that are five years old right

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now that live in the Palisades and go

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to school, there's a chance that if things

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don't move fast, it could be four to

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five years before they're back there.

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These kids are now 10.

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They're going to different schools, different lives now,

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you know?

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So it's tough because picture you living on

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a street.

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You're the first house finished.

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And every other house on the street is

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in construction.

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Think about that.

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You don't want to do that.

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You want to wake up every single morning

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and be reminded of that.

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Right.

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It's traumatic.

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I'm negotiating almost a dozen deals right now

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on land in the Palisades much faster than

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I ever thought I would be doing.

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People are already trying to sell their dirt,

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knowing that they're not going to go back

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there to home builders that will then build

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their house and either keep it or sell

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it.

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Yeah, they're selling their dirt.

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Yeah, the problem with that report was very

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un-California-like.

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What was the price of the dirt?

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I don't know.

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I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

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I'm sure it was very expensive.

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I'm sure it wasn't cheap either.

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But what was it?

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I don't know.

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We have no idea.

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Was it a lot selling for a half

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a mil, a mil?

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I think a million dollar lots.

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We don't know anything.

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No, because it's a shitty report.

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Oh, jeez.

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Sorry.

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That's not a report.

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They cornered the guy.

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No, it's DMZ's fault.

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They're all from California.

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They know better.

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And California is different than the rest of

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the country.

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We talk about our real estate prices constantly.

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What'd you pay?

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Oh, I paid this.

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I paid, you know, and the other person

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said, none of your business.

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Not in California.

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Oh, really?

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Y'all talk about that all the time?

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Yeah.

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What'd you pay for that lot?

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Oh, I got it for a song.

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I got it for 80.

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The market was like 100.

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Oh, good deal.

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You made a good deal.

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No, maybe he was trying to protect his

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clients.

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No, I think he's, well, maybe their lots

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are going cheap.

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Well, that was kind of the insinuation.

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The people are selling their dirt is getting

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rid of it.

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You know, I don't think much insurance will

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cover what it will actually cost to rebuild.

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No, they're going to have to.

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This is going to be a lot.

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This is all from scratch.

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Yeah.

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So time to build a new LA super

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city.

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LA 2.0. 10 minute palisades.

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15.

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We'll give them 15.

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Of course, in electrified California, the EVs were

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a real problem with firefighting.

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Here's CNN.

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Scattered amongst the ruins of California's devastating wildfires

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sit countless Teslas and other electric vehicles, most

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left behind by owners forced to flee from

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the fast moving flames.

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The chart EVs are a grim reminder of

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a new frontier facing firefighters and residents when

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battling wildfires and the daunting environmental challenges in

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cleaning up some of the remains.

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It's a little different world now today with

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batteries, not just car batteries, but battery packs,

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people with solar, those Tesla wall batteries and

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the like.

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01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:47,420
So the hazmat side of this is made

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a little bit more complicated.

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Just last month, the EPA approved the state's

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ambitious.

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Hold on a second.

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So that was Newsome.

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01:36:56,820 --> 01:36:57,040
Yeah.

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Gravely voiced Newsome.

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01:36:58,940 --> 01:36:59,180
Yeah.

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01:36:59,180 --> 01:37:01,600
Who's promoting that you have to go 100

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% EV by 2030.

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Yep.

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You can't sell a gas car anymore.

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And he's making that comment.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What a douche.

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01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,720
The hazmat side of this is made a

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01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:13,740
little bit more complicated.

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01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,520
Just last month, the EPA approved the state's

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ambitious plan to end the sale of new

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01:37:18,940 --> 01:37:21,140
gas operated vehicles by 2035.

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35.

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We get an extra five years.

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California has seen a surge in electric vehicles

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over the last decade.

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There were more than 3,000 EVs per

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100,000 residents in California in 2023, the

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highest per capita of any state in the

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US, according to the Department of Energy.

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Let's talk to the firefighters about it.

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20, 30 years ago, when these things were

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01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,580
not present in these fires, you didn't have

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01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:43,400
to think about that.

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San Diego Fire Battalion Chief Robert Rosendi is

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a member of the EPA's Lithium-Ion Battery

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01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:49,120
Task Force.

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He says the surge in batteries in homes

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and in EVs creates a new layer of

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complexity in firefighting.

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01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,480
As the batteries start to burn, they actually

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01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,920
release flammable gases like hydrogen and carbon monoxide,

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01:38:02,380 --> 01:38:04,400
and then they also release their own oxygen.

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And so smothering the fire doesn't really work

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01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:09,660
in these situations.

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01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:12,300
Putting a bunch of water on them doesn't

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01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:13,960
really work in these situations.

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01:38:14,740 --> 01:38:16,960
Rosendi says a normal gas-powered car fire

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01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,180
can be managed in 5 to 15 minutes,

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but putting out an EV fire could take

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01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,380
2 to 12 hours.

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01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:25,220
So the battery just kind of has to

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01:38:25,220 --> 01:38:27,160
run its course, and its chemistry needs to

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01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:31,260
be consumed before it'll stop being on fire.

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01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,380
If there is a vehicle that's burned out

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01:38:33,380 --> 01:38:35,660
right now in one of these wildfire zones

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01:38:35,660 --> 01:38:38,880
in LA that was an EV, is it

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01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,200
possible that if the battery is intact, it

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01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:42,100
could still reignite?

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01:38:42,940 --> 01:38:43,280
Yes.

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01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:46,240
Because of reignitions, he says it could take

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01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,380
a swimming pool's worth of water to fully

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01:38:48,380 --> 01:38:50,060
extinguish an EV battery fire.

2650
01:38:50,700 --> 01:38:55,220
Oh, and how about that battery power storage

2651
01:38:55,220 --> 01:38:56,420
plant in California?

2652
01:38:56,620 --> 01:38:57,520
Was that near San Jose?

2653
01:38:58,580 --> 01:39:00,180
Oh, it's in Los Poynes off on the

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01:39:00,180 --> 01:39:00,420
coast.

2655
01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:03,560
It's actually a power plant, and they have

2656
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,040
a big bunch of batteries there to save

2657
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,060
wind power.

2658
01:39:07,140 --> 01:39:10,300
Yeah, to save it, to store the electricity.

2659
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:12,260
Yeah, and it blew up.

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01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,080
Is it still on fire?

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01:39:14,500 --> 01:39:15,920
I would think so.

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01:39:16,780 --> 01:39:18,760
They want to put one of those in

2663
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,420
Kerrville, or it's actually closer.

2664
01:39:20,460 --> 01:39:21,000
It's a bad idea.

2665
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:22,460
It's a very bad idea.

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01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,720
Except I was thinking about it while listening

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01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:25,680
to that last clip.

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01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:30,340
Why can't somebody, because it takes, what, 12

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01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:31,500
hours to put the fire out?

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01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,020
A swimming pool won't do it.

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01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,340
I mean, it just keeps burning until the

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01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:35,040
batteries are gone.

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01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:38,280
There's got to be some chemical way of

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01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,460
stopping these fires.

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01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,660
The only thing I've seen is they have

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01:39:42,660 --> 01:39:46,960
this big fireproof oxygen-tight tarp they throw

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01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,820
over the car, and then it kind of

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01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:50,220
burns out underneath that.

2679
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:51,500
Yeah, but it's still burning.

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01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,560
There's got to be some solution to this

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01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:54,880
issue.

2682
01:39:54,980 --> 01:39:55,760
Yeah, here's the solution.

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01:39:56,460 --> 01:39:57,460
Combustion engines.

2684
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:59,300
I know your solution.

2685
01:39:59,620 --> 01:40:00,620
Combustion engines.

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01:40:01,140 --> 01:40:04,500
Have the explosions under the hood, not in

2687
01:40:04,500 --> 01:40:05,260
your garage.

2688
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:11,220
Yeah, you're right about Newsom.

2689
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:12,740
It's horrible.

2690
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:13,860
Oh, yeah.

2691
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:18,240
He'd just like to hear himself talk.

2692
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:20,720
I love the climate change angle.

2693
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,360
It's finally starting to kick in.

2694
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,940
And we have, I think, a definite new

2695
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:29,640
Reverend Al clip when it comes to the

2696
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,440
L.A. fires and climate change.

2697
01:40:32,940 --> 01:40:34,880
He's in rare form today.

2698
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:38,280
Firefighters have been making progress in containing the

2699
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,900
raging palisades and Eden fires.

2700
01:40:41,900 --> 01:40:45,140
The devastation now ranks among the worst in

2701
01:40:45,140 --> 01:40:46,300
California history.

2702
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:54,880
Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that

2703
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,380
2024 was the hottest year on record, 1

2704
01:40:59,380 --> 01:41:04,860
.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing

2705
01:41:04,860 --> 01:41:08,980
the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge

2706
01:41:08,980 --> 01:41:14,780
made by Glosal leaders under the 2015 Paris

2707
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:15,680
Climate Agreement.

2708
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:16,300
Glosal.

2709
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,640
Glosal leaders.

2710
01:41:21,870 --> 01:41:22,540
There's more.

2711
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,240
Los Angeles County has declared a public health

2712
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,520
emergency due to the air quality.

2713
01:41:28,100 --> 01:41:31,420
Officials warn the biggest threats are smoke and

2714
01:41:31,420 --> 01:41:36,860
particular matters, which they say may cause long

2715
01:41:36,860 --> 01:41:38,200
term health effects.

2716
01:41:38,420 --> 01:41:39,160
Particular matters.

2717
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:40,760
Wow.

2718
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,720
He's got a new producer.

2719
01:41:44,140 --> 01:41:45,280
A set of particulates.

2720
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:46,320
Yeah.

2721
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,020
Particular matters.

2722
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,080
Rev Al is the best.

2723
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:51,640
And how much does he make?

2724
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:53,100
This is where he usually remind us of

2725
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:53,320
that.

2726
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:54,700
I think at 1.2 mil.

2727
01:41:54,860 --> 01:41:55,560
At least.

2728
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,540
CBS this morning jumped right in with Jane

2729
01:41:59,540 --> 01:42:02,380
Pauley, although I cut Jane Pauley out of

2730
01:42:02,380 --> 01:42:03,600
these two clips.

2731
01:42:04,420 --> 01:42:07,120
They found someone to make all the connections.

2732
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:09,820
The monster that roared through L.A. County

2733
01:42:09,820 --> 01:42:11,600
last week is still alive.

2734
01:42:13,420 --> 01:42:16,480
But firefighters seem to have it cornered.

2735
01:42:18,500 --> 01:42:21,540
People have started returning to their homes or

2736
01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:22,420
what's left of them.

2737
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:26,160
And insurance, if they had it, is a

2738
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:27,100
whole other battle.

2739
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:30,120
And the focus now is turning from what

2740
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,740
happened to why it happened and what in

2741
01:42:32,740 --> 01:42:33,860
the world is next.

2742
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:36,680
This disaster is as bad as just about

2743
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,020
anybody here can remember.

2744
01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:40,980
But is it really just the new normal?

2745
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,160
Nature is telling us, I can't take this

2746
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:45,560
anymore.

2747
01:42:45,580 --> 01:42:46,940
Oh, no, I cannot support.

2748
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:48,380
You can't take it anymore.

2749
01:42:49,980 --> 01:42:51,180
Listen carefully.

2750
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:54,160
There's nature telling it, telling us it can't

2751
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:55,020
take it anymore.

2752
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:57,880
But is it really just the new normal?

2753
01:42:58,820 --> 01:43:02,100
Nature is telling us, I can't take this

2754
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:02,560
anymore.

2755
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,780
I cannot support you if you keep treating

2756
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:06,560
me this way.

2757
01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:09,700
John Valiant is the author of Fire Weather

2758
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:11,880
on the front lines of a burning world.

2759
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:15,940
And he says climate change is making disasters

2760
01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:18,940
like the wind driven L.A. fires fiercer.

2761
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,100
This is not an anomaly.

2762
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:24,780
This is the future.

2763
01:43:25,540 --> 01:43:28,620
We can expect fires of this intensity and

2764
01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:29,780
worse in the future.

2765
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,180
The types of fires we've seen over the

2766
01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:35,220
past 10 years are qualitatively different from the

2767
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:36,640
previous hundred years.

2768
01:43:36,980 --> 01:43:39,260
The types of fires are different.

2769
01:43:39,820 --> 01:43:40,020
Yeah.

2770
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:41,460
How has fire changed?

2771
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,320
In a number of ways.

2772
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,960
The most potent and frightening way, the most

2773
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,220
obvious to the lay person, you know, people

2774
01:43:48,220 --> 01:43:51,280
like us, is it moves faster and with

2775
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:52,160
greater intensity.

2776
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,440
And you talk to any firefighter with any

2777
01:43:54,440 --> 01:43:56,940
sense of history and they are seeing different

2778
01:43:56,940 --> 01:44:00,660
behavior that is, in many cases, unfightable.

2779
01:44:01,580 --> 01:44:04,400
I guess he hasn't seen the documentary about

2780
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,200
the 1961 Bel Air Brentwood fire.

2781
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,460
Went pretty fast then, pal.

2782
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:11,740
But this is what they do.

2783
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,040
Bring it right around to climate change because,

2784
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:15,900
you know, Trump's coming in.

2785
01:44:15,940 --> 01:44:17,300
We got to we got to press this

2786
01:44:17,300 --> 01:44:17,520
issue.

2787
01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:18,860
We got to make people think about this

2788
01:44:18,860 --> 01:44:20,940
stuff because nowhere is safe.

2789
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:23,800
And Valiant says the cause is something science

2790
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,300
has been telling us for decades.

2791
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,980
The CO2 that our combustion engines keep pumping

2792
01:44:28,980 --> 01:44:29,860
into the atmosphere.

2793
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:32,260
We don't feel it.

2794
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:33,560
We don't smell it.

2795
01:44:33,820 --> 01:44:34,920
We don't notice it.

2796
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,020
But if you were to take the car

2797
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:39,740
engine that brought me here and set it

2798
01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:41,600
up on the floor here and fired it

2799
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,340
up, we would go deaf and then we

2800
01:44:44,340 --> 01:44:46,580
would die from its emissions.

2801
01:44:47,140 --> 01:44:49,340
And I love that.

2802
01:44:49,340 --> 01:44:51,760
We go deaf and then we would die

2803
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,280
and set it up on the floor here

2804
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:55,240
and fired it up.

2805
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:57,980
We would go deaf and then we would

2806
01:44:57,980 --> 01:45:00,000
die, die from its emissions.

2807
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:03,880
And that's under the hood of every internal

2808
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:05,080
combustion engine car.

2809
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,680
And there are hundreds of millions of them.

2810
01:45:07,740 --> 01:45:10,600
So the emissions from fire, these trillions of

2811
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:11,420
fires that we make.

2812
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:13,220
This guy, he's the guy who wrote the

2813
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:15,540
book about fire because of climate change.

2814
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:16,760
He's on CBS.

2815
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,540
They did the whole, they did a 10

2816
01:45:18,540 --> 01:45:19,680
minute package on him.

2817
01:45:21,650 --> 01:45:23,690
10 minutes to tell us we're going to

2818
01:45:23,690 --> 01:45:24,130
die.

2819
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:27,350
So the emissions from fire, these trillions of

2820
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:29,770
fires that we make every day has created

2821
01:45:29,770 --> 01:45:31,790
this artificially warm climate.

2822
01:45:32,530 --> 01:45:35,210
And so he says we get more intense

2823
01:45:35,210 --> 01:45:35,670
fire.

2824
01:45:36,170 --> 01:45:36,710
Hold on a second.

2825
01:45:37,530 --> 01:45:40,270
What's the temperature there in Austin here right

2826
01:45:40,270 --> 01:45:40,470
now?

2827
01:45:40,630 --> 01:45:42,450
I'm not in Austin, but we are in

2828
01:45:42,450 --> 01:45:43,570
the Austin area.

2829
01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:45,770
Well, right now we're probably around just around

2830
01:45:45,770 --> 01:45:46,150
freezing.

2831
01:45:47,210 --> 01:45:48,530
You're around freezing.

2832
01:45:48,690 --> 01:45:49,530
Yes, we're freezing.

2833
01:45:49,690 --> 01:45:50,830
It's around 32 or so.

2834
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:52,110
Yeah, it's freezing.

2835
01:45:52,270 --> 01:45:53,830
Yes, we're, we're, we're cold.

2836
01:45:54,150 --> 01:45:56,610
So that's the horrible heat that you're dealing

2837
01:45:56,610 --> 01:45:56,850
with.

2838
01:45:56,930 --> 01:45:57,830
I'm sorry to hear that.

2839
01:45:57,930 --> 01:45:58,130
Yes.

2840
01:45:58,150 --> 01:45:58,690
How about you?

2841
01:45:59,990 --> 01:46:01,030
Uh, it's 50.

2842
01:46:01,570 --> 01:46:02,990
Oh, that's cold for you.

2843
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:04,710
The way I take it back.

2844
01:46:04,730 --> 01:46:05,970
I'm looking at the thing around this on

2845
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:06,610
screen here.

2846
01:46:07,090 --> 01:46:08,310
Uh, it's actually 49.

2847
01:46:08,510 --> 01:46:09,070
Oh no.

2848
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:09,830
Oh no.

2849
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:10,990
Oh, put on the sweater.

2850
01:46:11,650 --> 01:46:13,470
I got one on, believe me.

2851
01:46:13,470 --> 01:46:14,490
It's from fire.

2852
01:46:14,690 --> 01:46:16,790
These trillions of fires that we make every

2853
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:20,170
day has created this artificially warm climate.

2854
01:46:20,370 --> 01:46:23,590
And so he says we get more intense

2855
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:31,150
fires, stronger hurricanes, and hotter heat waves.

2856
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:33,430
We're going to lose everything.

2857
01:46:34,230 --> 01:46:35,290
And we're not joking.

2858
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:36,870
Climate scientist.

2859
01:46:37,010 --> 01:46:37,830
What was that?

2860
01:46:38,170 --> 01:46:39,570
It was a nat pop.

2861
01:46:39,810 --> 01:46:41,650
They just threw in a nat pop.

2862
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:42,630
This is great.

2863
01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:43,610
Heat waves.

2864
01:46:44,590 --> 01:46:45,890
We're going to lose everything.

2865
01:46:46,710 --> 01:46:47,750
And we're not joking.

2866
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:49,330
Climate scientist.

2867
01:46:49,330 --> 01:46:51,670
Peter Calmus has been sounding much the same

2868
01:46:51,670 --> 01:46:52,870
alarm for years.

2869
01:46:53,610 --> 01:46:55,010
So do you feel like you're sitting on

2870
01:46:55,010 --> 01:46:57,110
all this science and you're trying to share

2871
01:46:57,110 --> 01:46:57,610
it with the world?

2872
01:46:59,470 --> 01:47:00,850
Another show title.

2873
01:47:00,930 --> 01:47:02,970
Sitting on science is dynamite.

2874
01:47:04,850 --> 01:47:06,450
Sitting on science.

2875
01:47:06,850 --> 01:47:08,430
Do you feel like you're sitting on all

2876
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:10,430
this science and you're trying to share it

2877
01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:11,690
with the world and no one's listening?

2878
01:47:11,690 --> 01:47:13,290
That's exactly how I feel, yes.

2879
01:47:13,810 --> 01:47:16,430
We met him in 2022 near his home

2880
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:20,430
in Altadena, California, just as he was about

2881
01:47:20,430 --> 01:47:22,870
to move his family to North Carolina.

2882
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:25,890
Was part of that move because you were

2883
01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:27,490
worried about wildfires?

2884
01:47:28,330 --> 01:47:30,710
Yeah, so for a few years, I wanted

2885
01:47:30,710 --> 01:47:33,830
to move to someplace a little bit less

2886
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:34,310
fiery.

2887
01:47:34,670 --> 01:47:36,230
But I want to make it clear, I

2888
01:47:36,230 --> 01:47:38,330
don't think there's any place safe from climate

2889
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:38,690
change.

2890
01:47:38,850 --> 01:47:40,870
And believe me, he went right into Helene

2891
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:43,230
and he's in North Carolina and, you know,

2892
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:44,290
so we're all going to die.

2893
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:46,250
There's no place, no place where it's not

2894
01:47:46,250 --> 01:47:49,730
safe anywhere from climate change, anywhere, ever.

2895
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:51,470
Not going to happen.

2896
01:47:52,110 --> 01:47:53,310
Might as well get used to it.

2897
01:47:53,390 --> 01:47:54,150
The new normal.

2898
01:47:55,210 --> 01:47:55,990
Yeah, I think you're right.

2899
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:57,610
This is a Trump thing.

2900
01:47:57,930 --> 01:47:58,530
No, totally.

2901
01:47:59,050 --> 01:48:02,970
Because we don't need the hoax idea floating

2902
01:48:02,970 --> 01:48:03,690
around.

2903
01:48:04,010 --> 01:48:05,290
No, no.

2904
01:48:05,330 --> 01:48:05,850
The hoax.

2905
01:48:07,450 --> 01:48:09,470
Preemptive strike is what this would be called

2906
01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:12,610
from CBS, from CBS, the communist broadcast.

2907
01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:15,290
CBS the worst, the communist broadcasting system.

2908
01:48:15,370 --> 01:48:16,330
You remember that report?

2909
01:48:16,690 --> 01:48:17,650
Oh, not that report.

2910
01:48:17,730 --> 01:48:19,790
All the reports from the Surgeon General about

2911
01:48:19,790 --> 01:48:21,770
alcohol and cancer two weeks ago.

2912
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:24,230
Two weeks ago, I've heard a couple of

2913
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:26,230
reports this last couple of days.

2914
01:48:26,490 --> 01:48:29,250
And what did we think that might be

2915
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:29,970
on the way?

2916
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:32,030
Mocktails.

2917
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:34,590
Mocktails?

2918
01:48:37,790 --> 01:48:38,790
If only.

2919
01:48:40,450 --> 01:48:41,570
No, no.

2920
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:42,830
Wouldn't you know it?

2921
01:48:43,470 --> 01:48:44,730
To the Index of Other News, a new

2922
01:48:44,730 --> 01:48:47,010
report by the American Cancer Society tonight finding

2923
01:48:47,010 --> 01:48:49,590
certain cancers on the rise among women and

2924
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:53,070
younger adults, including breast, thyroid and colorectal cancers.

2925
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:55,730
For the first time, cancer diagnoses in women

2926
01:48:55,730 --> 01:48:59,110
ages 50 to 64 have now surpassed men.

2927
01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:00,490
There's your report.

2928
01:49:00,930 --> 01:49:02,090
And so it begins.

2929
01:49:02,910 --> 01:49:04,590
They've all been drinking too much.

2930
01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:06,390
That's going to be the reason.

2931
01:49:06,990 --> 01:49:09,350
Of course, our thesis is the vaccine cover

2932
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:09,650
up.

2933
01:49:10,130 --> 01:49:11,270
Yes, yes.

2934
01:49:11,290 --> 01:49:13,150
I got a note from one of our

2935
01:49:13,150 --> 01:49:18,030
boots on the ground nurses, actually in Southern

2936
01:49:18,030 --> 01:49:18,610
California.

2937
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:20,290
She says that our hospital, there's been a

2938
01:49:20,290 --> 01:49:22,130
lot of talks amongst doctors of what they

2939
01:49:22,130 --> 01:49:25,330
feel about using GLP-1 drugs for alcohol.

2940
01:49:27,710 --> 01:49:31,050
Some are very intrigued and walk around saying,

2941
01:49:31,190 --> 01:49:33,210
hey, just Google GLP-1 drugs and alcohol

2942
01:49:33,210 --> 01:49:33,650
addiction.

2943
01:49:35,210 --> 01:49:36,990
The solution is right there.

2944
01:49:37,670 --> 01:49:39,450
Problem, reaction, solution.

2945
01:49:39,630 --> 01:49:41,650
There's a lot of these things are compound

2946
01:49:41,650 --> 01:49:42,270
nowadays.

2947
01:49:42,510 --> 01:49:44,890
It's like it solves a lot of problems.

2948
01:49:45,150 --> 01:49:47,030
Yes, it does.

2949
01:49:47,390 --> 01:49:47,790
I know.

2950
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:49,270
It's that they haven't gotten to the one

2951
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:50,950
you're pushing and which is coming.

2952
01:49:51,330 --> 01:49:53,310
I'm pretty sure you might be right about

2953
01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:53,470
it.

2954
01:49:53,550 --> 01:49:55,050
What, the alcohol with the?

2955
01:49:55,190 --> 01:49:58,930
No, no, the GLP-1s and erectile dysfunction.

2956
01:50:01,110 --> 01:50:02,970
Come on, it's got to be on the

2957
01:50:02,970 --> 01:50:04,390
next stop on the train.

2958
01:50:05,150 --> 01:50:06,190
Is it in the book?

2959
01:50:06,190 --> 01:50:07,250
It should be in the book.

2960
01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:07,930
It should really.

2961
01:50:08,170 --> 01:50:09,550
You made it go in the book and

2962
01:50:09,550 --> 01:50:10,290
somebody's out there.

2963
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:12,430
There's a virtual book that's floating around.

2964
01:50:13,950 --> 01:50:15,730
I got a couple of Biden clips I

2965
01:50:15,730 --> 01:50:16,430
want to get out of the way.

2966
01:50:16,610 --> 01:50:16,790
Yeah, sure.

2967
01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:19,970
Biden and the 28th amendment.

2968
01:50:20,590 --> 01:50:23,170
Oh yeah, this has been interesting.

2969
01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:24,350
This is the NPR stuff.

2970
01:50:25,010 --> 01:50:26,510
Yeah, I got two clips.

2971
01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:29,230
Three days before President Biden leaves office, he

2972
01:50:29,230 --> 01:50:32,750
made a surprise announcement about a proposed constitutional

2973
01:50:32,750 --> 01:50:35,570
amendment that has been debated for decades.

2974
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:38,910
Today, I affirm the Equal Rights Amendment to

2975
01:50:38,910 --> 01:50:41,130
have cleared all the necessary hurdles to be

2976
01:50:41,130 --> 01:50:43,250
added to the U.S. Constitution now.

2977
01:50:44,490 --> 01:50:47,270
The Equal Rights Amendment that says, quote, equality

2978
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:49,330
of rights under the law shall not be

2979
01:50:49,330 --> 01:50:51,850
denied or abridged by the United States or

2980
01:50:51,850 --> 01:50:54,270
by any state on account of sex.

2981
01:50:54,530 --> 01:50:57,810
But the official who certifies constitutional amendments, the

2982
01:50:57,810 --> 01:51:00,930
archivist of the United States, does not think

2983
01:51:00,930 --> 01:51:03,390
the proposal has been properly ratified.

2984
01:51:04,030 --> 01:51:07,390
NPR White House correspondent Danielle Kurzleben joins us.

2985
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:09,270
Danielle, thanks so much for being with us.

2986
01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:09,890
Of course.

2987
01:51:09,970 --> 01:51:10,490
Good morning, Scott.

2988
01:51:10,890 --> 01:51:12,630
What exactly did the president announce?

2989
01:51:13,050 --> 01:51:15,130
Well, he announced basically what we just heard

2990
01:51:15,130 --> 01:51:15,370
there.

2991
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:17,590
He said that in his mind, this amendment

2992
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:19,350
is already the law of the land.

2993
01:51:19,550 --> 01:51:22,250
Now, of course, it's not in the Constitution.

2994
01:51:22,570 --> 01:51:24,990
And were it to get there, legal scholars

2995
01:51:24,990 --> 01:51:26,930
say the ERA could affect a wide range

2996
01:51:26,930 --> 01:51:29,730
of areas like pregnancy discrimination, pay equity and

2997
01:51:29,730 --> 01:51:30,650
reproductive rights.

2998
01:51:30,650 --> 01:51:33,450
But before the ERA can become an amendment,

2999
01:51:33,630 --> 01:51:35,550
it has to be certified by the archivist,

3000
01:51:35,610 --> 01:51:36,970
a woman named Colleen Shogan.

3001
01:51:37,650 --> 01:51:39,750
The White House told reporters Friday that Biden

3002
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:42,470
wasn't directing her to certify the ERA.

3003
01:51:42,650 --> 01:51:46,030
Rather, they said that Shogan is simply required

3004
01:51:46,030 --> 01:51:47,310
to certify the amendment.

3005
01:51:47,570 --> 01:51:50,010
And the archivist has said that's not happening.

3006
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:53,250
This story is very confusing to me.

3007
01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:57,730
And obviously, I'm interested in a constitutional amendment,

3008
01:51:57,870 --> 01:52:00,750
but this has been batting around since the

3009
01:52:00,750 --> 01:52:01,390
70s?

3010
01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:02,890
It expired.

3011
01:52:04,430 --> 01:52:04,870
Oh.

3012
01:52:05,450 --> 01:52:06,510
It never passed.

3013
01:52:06,670 --> 01:52:08,610
And it had a deadline built into the

3014
01:52:08,610 --> 01:52:12,150
act to make it a constitutional amendment.

3015
01:52:12,250 --> 01:52:13,810
And it never made it, never made the

3016
01:52:13,810 --> 01:52:14,070
deadline.

3017
01:52:14,190 --> 01:52:15,010
It never got passed.

3018
01:52:15,110 --> 01:52:15,950
It was just bullcrap.

3019
01:52:16,630 --> 01:52:19,330
So J.D. Vance had the best one

3020
01:52:19,330 --> 01:52:19,590
-liner.

3021
01:52:19,690 --> 01:52:20,450
He had it on Twitter.

3022
01:52:20,590 --> 01:52:23,570
He says, hey, Joe, while you're making these

3023
01:52:23,570 --> 01:52:26,890
proclamations, make Pete Rose a member of the

3024
01:52:26,890 --> 01:52:28,370
Baseball Hall of Fame.

3025
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:31,650
Which is about the same thing.

3026
01:52:31,850 --> 01:52:34,270
But just let me understand, because what I

3027
01:52:34,270 --> 01:52:36,650
heard, and that's, of course, the reporting is,

3028
01:52:36,990 --> 01:52:40,050
excuse me, that Virginia said, oh, don't we

3029
01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:40,750
ratify it?

3030
01:52:40,750 --> 01:52:43,530
And now it's ratified and it should be

3031
01:52:43,530 --> 01:52:44,010
the amendment.

3032
01:52:44,290 --> 01:52:46,010
Is that what the story is?

3033
01:52:49,660 --> 01:52:52,400
This is Biden's interpretation of reality.

3034
01:52:53,420 --> 01:52:54,920
This is all bullcrap.

3035
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:59,120
To make this amendment part of the Constitution,

3036
01:52:59,380 --> 01:53:01,500
the process has to be started over.

3037
01:53:02,260 --> 01:53:03,140
It's expired.

3038
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:06,440
But Biden just decided to do this like

3039
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:07,040
a maniac.

3040
01:53:08,220 --> 01:53:10,480
Well, we don't think Biden actually is doing

3041
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:11,120
anything.

3042
01:53:11,740 --> 01:53:13,300
Someone else is acting like a maniac.

3043
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:14,600
I didn't clip it.

3044
01:53:14,620 --> 01:53:16,040
Did you see the Speaker of the House?

3045
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:18,000
Before you go with that, let's play the

3046
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,640
second half of this, and then we'll talk.

3047
01:53:20,260 --> 01:53:22,260
If the archivist is that explicit, where's the

3048
01:53:22,260 --> 01:53:22,680
confusion?

3049
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:24,780
Well, we have to go back to when

3050
01:53:24,780 --> 01:53:28,240
the ERA passed Congress in 1972 to explain

3051
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:28,600
this.

3052
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:30,720
After that, it went to the states for

3053
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:31,520
ratification.

3054
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,100
38 states have to sign off on an

3055
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:34,460
amendment.

3056
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,120
And importantly, the ERA had a deadline attached

3057
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:39,160
to it for ratification.

3058
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,000
That deadline was eventually set for 1982.

3059
01:53:42,420 --> 01:53:44,940
But by then, it was still three states

3060
01:53:44,940 --> 01:53:45,380
short.

3061
01:53:46,100 --> 01:53:49,760
Now, despite that, state legislatures continued ratifying it

3062
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:50,320
over the years.

3063
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,560
And in 2020, Virginia became the 38th state,

3064
01:53:53,740 --> 01:53:56,400
and the ERA reached that benchmark, and the

3065
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:57,420
debate was reignited.

3066
01:53:58,060 --> 01:53:58,960
But why is there debate?

3067
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,360
Well, it's all about that initial deadline.

3068
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:03,080
That was put on the ERA.

3069
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,640
Now, one side, which includes the American Bar

3070
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,560
Association, they argue that the deadline does not

3071
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:08,960
matter.

3072
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:11,540
One argument they make is that the Constitution

3073
01:54:11,540 --> 01:54:14,420
just doesn't say anything about amendments having deadlines.

3074
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,720
But interestingly, DOJ officials under both Trump and

3075
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,660
Biden are on the other side of this.

3076
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,780
During the Trump administration, the DOJ issued an

3077
01:54:23,780 --> 01:54:26,700
opinion saying the deadline did matter, and that

3078
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:28,100
it was up to courts or Congress to

3079
01:54:28,100 --> 01:54:29,240
move the ERA along.

3080
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,720
And in 2022, the Biden DOJ agreed that

3081
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:34,340
this is up to the courts and Congress.

3082
01:54:34,660 --> 01:54:36,640
And this is where the archivist comes in.

3083
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,220
In 2022, and again last month, her office,

3084
01:54:40,340 --> 01:54:42,740
Colleen Shogan, said that they are following what

3085
01:54:42,740 --> 01:54:44,820
the DOJ said in those instances.

3086
01:54:46,340 --> 01:54:46,820
Hmm.

3087
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:48,800
Interesting.

3088
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:50,860
They can start it over.

3089
01:54:50,980 --> 01:54:52,560
They want to pass this thing, start it

3090
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:52,820
over.

3091
01:54:52,940 --> 01:54:54,200
Everyone's all in on it.

3092
01:54:54,420 --> 01:54:56,460
Does this go back to the bra burning?

3093
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:57,820
Yeah.

3094
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,820
Wow, it's that old, huh?

3095
01:55:01,260 --> 01:55:03,800
I think it was initiated in the 70s.

3096
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:07,640
And this is really about discrimination based on

3097
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:08,080
sex.

3098
01:55:09,060 --> 01:55:09,340
Right.

3099
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,280
I guess there's tons of laws already that

3100
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:13,340
don't disallow that.

3101
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:15,880
We had a series of clips that are

3102
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,340
in the archives by Phyllis Schlafly.

3103
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:22,640
She was the number one complainer about this

3104
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:22,960
thing.

3105
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:28,220
Phyllis Schlafly was a right wing woman who

3106
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:29,720
was very famous for it.

3107
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:33,500
And she was interesting in these series of

3108
01:55:33,500 --> 01:55:34,620
clips that we put on the show.

3109
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,340
I think we played some of them.

3110
01:55:37,380 --> 01:55:40,020
She was sharp.

3111
01:55:40,500 --> 01:55:42,020
And no one could really, it's one of

3112
01:55:42,020 --> 01:55:43,480
those people trying to debate.

3113
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,900
Like if you went up and decided to

3114
01:55:45,900 --> 01:55:48,340
debate Ben Shapiro, for example.

3115
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,600
Oh, I would be screwed.

3116
01:55:50,780 --> 01:55:51,440
You'd be dead.

3117
01:55:51,540 --> 01:55:52,220
Yeah, screwed.

3118
01:55:53,020 --> 01:55:57,260
Well, she wasn't a fast talker, but she

3119
01:55:57,260 --> 01:55:59,300
was hard to beat in these debates.

3120
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:04,200
Her commentary was based on, look, women have

3121
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:09,100
it better right now because we're like a

3122
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:12,260
protected class without this amendment.

3123
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:14,480
She says, you put the amendment in and

3124
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:15,720
now we're gonna have to go to war.

3125
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:17,160
We're gonna have to be drafted.

3126
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:20,040
She just moaned and groaned about how this

3127
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,540
amendment was a bad idea because it was

3128
01:56:22,540 --> 01:56:25,020
- They got a good deal going on.

3129
01:56:25,220 --> 01:56:26,800
They had a good deal going the way

3130
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:27,520
she saw it.

3131
01:56:27,820 --> 01:56:30,580
And she had a strong argument and she's

3132
01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:34,140
the one, she is the reason this never

3133
01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:34,720
passed.

3134
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:38,440
Now they could restart it because she's not

3135
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,760
around anymore and there's nobody making her arguments

3136
01:56:41,420 --> 01:56:43,920
and everyone's gung ho for this and that.

3137
01:56:45,620 --> 01:56:48,180
So it's possible they could get it to

3138
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:48,880
be passed.

3139
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,440
But she had strong arguments and she was

3140
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:53,060
powerful.

3141
01:56:53,260 --> 01:56:55,340
Well, the first thing the Republicans would do

3142
01:56:55,340 --> 01:56:56,400
would be exactly that.

3143
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,140
It's like, okay, you're being drafted now.

3144
01:56:59,140 --> 01:57:00,380
Yeah, that's what you do.

3145
01:57:01,060 --> 01:57:02,920
Take the worst case scenario and you make

3146
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:03,300
it worse.

3147
01:57:03,500 --> 01:57:06,120
I'm glad you clipped the Mike Johnson stuff

3148
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,720
because I thought about it and I guess

3149
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:09,580
I forgot about it.

3150
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:10,700
Can we play those?

3151
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:12,400
Yes, Mike Johnson.

3152
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:14,680
This is a clip that has a lot

3153
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,180
of people bent out of shape and I

3154
01:57:16,180 --> 01:57:17,280
wanna defend him.

3155
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:18,900
Do I only have two clips?

3156
01:57:20,020 --> 01:57:22,520
He had a meeting with Biden and Biden

3157
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,720
apparently showed him that he wasn't really running

3158
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:28,700
the country and everyone condemned Mike Johnson after

3159
01:57:28,700 --> 01:57:30,520
these clips appeared because he was like, why

3160
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:31,420
didn't you say something?

3161
01:57:31,980 --> 01:57:32,540
Why didn't you go?

3162
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:34,820
And the problem that you have with that

3163
01:57:34,820 --> 01:57:37,120
is that if you're the Speaker of the

3164
01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:38,760
House meeting with the President, that's a private

3165
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:39,480
conversation.

3166
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,400
No matter, you can't, and he says why

3167
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,040
he can talk about it now because the

3168
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:45,320
Wall Street Journal brought it out.

3169
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,460
They published it, yeah.

3170
01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:49,360
You can't go in and discuss this sort

3171
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:50,600
of thing just in general.

3172
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,900
So he, I give him a break on

3173
01:57:52,900 --> 01:57:53,180
this.

3174
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:54,840
In some ways, I actually kind of feel

3175
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:55,720
sorry for Joe Biden.

3176
01:57:55,860 --> 01:57:57,220
I mean, he's in the twilight years of

3177
01:57:57,220 --> 01:57:57,600
his life.

3178
01:57:57,700 --> 01:58:00,820
He is not, obviously has not been in

3179
01:58:00,820 --> 01:58:01,740
charge for some time.

3180
01:58:01,900 --> 01:58:03,660
And I know this by personal observation and

3181
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:04,620
now the whole world knows it.

3182
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:06,880
And it's been very, very concerning to me

3183
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:08,960
over the last year and a half since

3184
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:09,900
I've had this position.

3185
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:10,700
Can you tell us a story when you

3186
01:58:10,700 --> 01:58:11,900
say personal observation?

3187
01:58:12,220 --> 01:58:13,360
What kind of thing did you see?

3188
01:58:13,380 --> 01:58:15,060
This is, it's public now because the Wall

3189
01:58:15,060 --> 01:58:16,300
Street Journal got it and put it on

3190
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:16,800
the front page.

3191
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:19,940
But January, a year ago, almost exactly a

3192
01:58:19,940 --> 01:58:22,400
year ago, I had been asked, I became

3193
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,140
speaker in October, 2023 and there were all

3194
01:58:25,140 --> 01:58:27,360
sorts of big national security concerns and everything

3195
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:28,080
going on.

3196
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:29,660
And I started requesting a meeting with the

3197
01:58:29,660 --> 01:58:31,200
president because, you know, I'm kind of old

3198
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:31,400
school.

3199
01:58:31,500 --> 01:58:32,460
I'm a constitutional law guy.

3200
01:58:33,060 --> 01:58:33,800
The speaker of the house should be able

3201
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:35,160
to talk to the president, especially in times

3202
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:38,840
of great national interest and calamity, but they

3203
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:39,680
wouldn't let me meet with him.

3204
01:58:39,700 --> 01:58:41,520
And his staff kept putting, giving him excuses.

3205
01:58:41,740 --> 01:58:42,780
This went on for like eight or nine

3206
01:58:42,780 --> 01:58:43,060
weeks.

3207
01:58:43,160 --> 01:58:44,820
I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, he doesn't have time.

3208
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:45,720
What are you talking about?

3209
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:46,800
I'm second line of the presidency.

3210
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:47,480
He has time.

3211
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:48,160
I need to talk to him.

3212
01:58:48,700 --> 01:58:50,800
We had, I can't say the classified parts,

3213
01:58:50,860 --> 01:58:54,040
but we had some big, big national concerns

3214
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:55,520
at the time that I was losing sleep

3215
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:55,720
over.

3216
01:58:56,420 --> 01:58:57,760
Finally, I just went to the Hill Press

3217
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:58,960
Corps and I said, the president is not

3218
01:58:58,960 --> 01:58:59,980
being allowed to meet with the speaker.

3219
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:00,520
There's a problem.

3220
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:02,220
So they started putting pressure on him.

3221
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:04,540
Long story short, they finally relented.

3222
01:59:04,660 --> 01:59:05,640
They invited me to the White House.

3223
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,120
I show up and I realized it's actually

3224
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:08,580
an ambush because it's not just me and

3225
01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:08,980
the president.

3226
01:59:09,140 --> 01:59:13,160
It's also Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem, you

3227
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,360
know, the whole, the CIA director, everybody.

3228
01:59:15,700 --> 01:59:17,100
And then so I walked in the Oval

3229
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:18,540
and, oh, I know what this is.

3230
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:20,400
This is a, they're going to hotbox the

3231
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:21,620
speaker on Ukraine funding.

3232
01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:22,240
That's what it was.

3233
01:59:22,900 --> 01:59:24,420
This is probably third week of January.

3234
01:59:25,300 --> 01:59:26,660
Hey, Mike, what's that in your mouth?

3235
01:59:28,300 --> 01:59:29,640
The CIA director.

3236
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:31,960
Hey, Mike, do a little pull aside with

3237
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:32,920
Mike here for a second.

3238
01:59:33,500 --> 01:59:36,780
I think I remember him saying that he

3239
01:59:36,780 --> 01:59:38,180
couldn't get a meeting with the president.

3240
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,060
That I think he did say in public.

3241
01:59:41,220 --> 01:59:42,900
Yeah, well, he could do that, but he

3242
01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:44,280
couldn't discuss the meeting itself.

3243
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:45,240
But now he does.

3244
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,080
And here's what the outcome was.

3245
01:59:47,540 --> 01:59:48,100
We sit down.

3246
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:49,780
We're in the midst of it and the

3247
01:59:49,780 --> 01:59:50,480
whole conversation.

3248
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:51,880
And I'm going, we don't need to have

3249
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:52,440
this conversation.

3250
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:53,960
The president reaches over just like this.

3251
01:59:54,020 --> 01:59:55,380
We're sitting in the, right next to the

3252
01:59:55,380 --> 01:59:56,640
fireplace in the Oval and he grabs my

3253
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:58,680
arm and he says, the speaker and I

3254
01:59:58,680 --> 01:59:59,900
just need a couple of minutes together.

3255
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,040
Would y'all just leave us alone?

3256
02:00:01,140 --> 02:00:02,500
And I looked up on the faces of

3257
02:00:02,500 --> 02:00:03,620
some of the staff standing around the wall.

3258
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:05,460
And they're like, no, he did it.

3259
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:06,480
So they, he called it.

3260
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:07,260
He's the commander in chief.

3261
02:00:07,340 --> 02:00:08,420
So everybody leaves and he and I are

3262
02:00:08,420 --> 02:00:10,160
standing awkwardly in the middle of the Oval

3263
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:11,660
office, right over the rug by that coffee

3264
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:11,940
table.

3265
02:00:12,340 --> 02:00:14,020
And I said, Mr. President, thanks for the

3266
02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:14,340
moments.

3267
02:00:14,700 --> 02:00:15,880
You know, this is very important.

3268
02:00:15,980 --> 02:00:17,580
I got some big national security things.

3269
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:18,960
I need to talk to you about that.

3270
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:20,100
I've heard and I think, you know, and

3271
02:00:20,100 --> 02:00:20,540
what do we do?

3272
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:22,680
And, but first real quickly, Mr. President, can

3273
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:23,520
I ask you a question?

3274
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:26,940
I cannot answer this from my constituents in

3275
02:00:26,940 --> 02:00:27,300
Louisiana.

3276
02:00:27,600 --> 02:00:30,880
Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to

3277
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:31,120
Europe?

3278
02:00:31,300 --> 02:00:33,440
Like I don't understand, you know, liquefied natural

3279
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:35,400
gas is in great demand by our allies.

3280
02:00:35,500 --> 02:00:36,220
Why would you do that?

3281
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:38,260
Because you understand we just talked about Ukraine.

3282
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,800
You understand you're fueling Vladimir Putin's war machine

3283
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:42,080
because they got to get their gas from

3284
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:42,420
him.

3285
02:00:42,620 --> 02:00:44,840
You know, and he looks at me stunned

3286
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:45,180
with this.

3287
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:47,220
And he said, I didn't, I didn't do

3288
02:00:47,220 --> 02:00:47,480
that.

3289
02:00:47,540 --> 02:00:50,220
And I said, Mr. President, you, yes, you

3290
02:00:50,220 --> 02:00:50,420
did.

3291
02:00:50,460 --> 02:00:51,800
It was an executive order, like, you know,

3292
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:52,380
three weeks ago.

3293
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:53,440
And he goes, I didn't do that.

3294
02:00:53,460 --> 02:00:54,200
And he's arguing with me.

3295
02:00:54,220 --> 02:00:57,340
I said, Mr. President, respectfully, can I, could

3296
02:00:57,340 --> 02:00:58,520
I go out here and ask your secretary

3297
02:00:58,520 --> 02:00:59,240
to print it out?

3298
02:00:59,280 --> 02:00:59,900
We'll read it together.

3299
02:00:59,980 --> 02:01:00,820
You definitely did that.

3300
02:01:00,860 --> 02:01:02,500
And he goes, oh, you talk about natural

3301
02:01:02,500 --> 02:01:02,940
gas.

3302
02:01:03,900 --> 02:01:04,400
Yes, sir.

3303
02:01:04,660 --> 02:01:06,480
He said, no, no, you misunderstand.

3304
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:08,100
He said, what I did is I signed

3305
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:09,520
this thing to, we're going to, we're going

3306
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:11,440
to conduct a study on the effects of

3307
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:11,720
LNG.

3308
02:01:12,460 --> 02:01:13,860
I said, no, you're not, sir.

3309
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:14,700
You paused it.

3310
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,680
I know I have the terminal, the export

3311
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:17,840
terminals in my state.

3312
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:19,160
I talked to those people this morning.

3313
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:21,540
You're, this is doing massive damage to our

3314
02:01:21,540 --> 02:01:22,580
economy, national security.

3315
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,100
It occurred to me, Barry, he was not

3316
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:25,620
lying to me.

3317
02:01:25,660 --> 02:01:27,420
He genuinely did not know what he had

3318
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:27,680
signed.

3319
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:29,260
And I walked out of that meeting with

3320
02:01:29,260 --> 02:01:32,000
fear and loathing because I thought we're in

3321
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:32,660
serious trouble.

3322
02:01:32,740 --> 02:01:33,600
Who is running the country?

3323
02:01:33,700 --> 02:01:34,980
Like, I don't know who put the paper

3324
02:01:34,980 --> 02:01:36,120
in front of him, but he didn't know.

3325
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:38,960
So we know who was running the country

3326
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,020
because they were in the room.

3327
02:01:41,660 --> 02:01:43,240
That's who, that's who has been running the

3328
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:43,540
country.

3329
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,640
And I would say the CIA director being

3330
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:49,380
there probably has the goods on everybody, might

3331
02:01:49,380 --> 02:01:50,780
be, might've been calling the shots.

3332
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,880
We also had the Donald and brothers or

3333
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,280
the Blackrock folk.

3334
02:01:56,580 --> 02:01:59,540
But the question that comes to mind, and

3335
02:01:59,540 --> 02:02:02,180
it's never discussed and Barry doesn't discuss it.

3336
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:02,800
That's for sure.

3337
02:02:02,900 --> 02:02:05,300
And it wasn't discussed on this interview.

3338
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:09,140
Who does he think is running the country?

3339
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,440
A, and then, but the other thing is,

3340
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,240
what was the point of pausing the LNG

3341
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:15,140
exports?

3342
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:18,520
What, I mean, who, why, why was that,

3343
02:02:18,660 --> 02:02:20,220
what, why was that decision made?

3344
02:02:20,340 --> 02:02:22,720
Was it so somebody could play some stocks

3345
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:24,880
or where somebody can make a quick buck?

3346
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,200
Or, I mean, what exactly, what was the

3347
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:29,100
rationale for doing that?

3348
02:02:30,340 --> 02:02:32,880
For that, for that pause, that pause in

3349
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,120
time, who benefited from it?

3350
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:36,500
And can somebody trace that?

3351
02:02:36,540 --> 02:02:37,500
I mean, you should be able to follow

3352
02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:38,480
the money on that one.

3353
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:40,040
That should be easy enough to figure out.

3354
02:02:40,340 --> 02:02:42,280
Maybe somebody, Biden was just a dupe to

3355
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:42,860
sign it.

3356
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:45,360
Maybe somebody had a tanker of oil out

3357
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:46,160
there on the ocean.

3358
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,280
It was very suspicious.

3359
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:51,880
It was, it was odd.

3360
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:52,580
It was odd.

3361
02:02:52,660 --> 02:02:54,140
It was like our number, our number one

3362
02:02:54,140 --> 02:02:56,720
gangbusters move, the LNG.

3363
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:58,400
It was perfect for us.

3364
02:03:00,140 --> 02:03:03,600
Well, speaking of our allies, and this will

3365
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:05,340
be the last that I have before we

3366
02:03:05,340 --> 02:03:05,960
take a break.

3367
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:10,320
I'm very excited because Rutte, Rutte, our boy

3368
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:11,380
is on fire.

3369
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,220
But first we have to understand just how

3370
02:03:14,220 --> 02:03:17,260
worried our allies are about the big orange

3371
02:03:17,260 --> 02:03:17,880
man.

3372
02:03:18,020 --> 02:03:20,060
For the last four years, Europe felt it

3373
02:03:20,060 --> 02:03:22,100
could rely on its American ally when it

3374
02:03:22,100 --> 02:03:23,960
came to trade and defense.

3375
02:03:25,940 --> 02:03:27,260
But not anymore.

3376
02:03:27,980 --> 02:03:31,100
Donald Trump hates the ongoing US-EU trade

3377
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:33,720
deficit, which continued to grow during his first

3378
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:34,120
term.

3379
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:36,860
It means America buys a lot more from

3380
02:03:36,860 --> 02:03:39,500
the EU than it sells to the EU.

3381
02:03:40,140 --> 02:03:41,740
Last month, he said he told the European

3382
02:03:41,740 --> 02:03:44,140
Union to close that deficit by the large

3383
02:03:44,140 --> 02:03:46,400
-scale purchase of American oil and gas.

3384
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:49,380
Otherwise, he'd use what he says is his

3385
02:03:49,380 --> 02:03:50,340
favorite word.

3386
02:03:50,900 --> 02:03:51,960
Tariff, tariff, tariff.

3387
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:54,060
Tariff, tariff.

3388
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:55,860
They're doing super cuts now in the news.

3389
02:03:56,180 --> 02:03:56,700
Tariffs.

3390
02:03:59,880 --> 02:04:03,180
Trump believes US import tariffs, which are basically

3391
02:04:03,180 --> 02:04:05,300
a tax on imports, are lower than the

3392
02:04:05,300 --> 02:04:06,020
EU's.

3393
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:06,920
Any questions?

3394
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:08,260
And he may be right.

3395
02:04:08,540 --> 02:04:11,200
The World Trade Organization says that in 2023,

3396
02:04:11,580 --> 02:04:14,480
the average US tariff was 3.3%

3397
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,880
compared to 5% in the EU.

3398
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,700
But that rises to 10% when it

3399
02:04:19,700 --> 02:04:22,560
comes to importing American cars into the European

3400
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,100
Union, which is why he's threatening the bloc

3401
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:28,240
with counter tariffs, a tactic that, for him,

3402
02:04:28,460 --> 02:04:30,600
doesn't just apply to trade wars.

3403
02:04:30,820 --> 02:04:33,920
We need Greenland for national security purposes.

3404
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:36,860
People really don't even know if Denmark has

3405
02:04:36,860 --> 02:04:37,680
any legal right.

3406
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:40,440
But if they do, they should give it

3407
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:42,540
up because we need it for national security.

3408
02:04:42,540 --> 02:04:46,380
And if Denmark wants to get to a

3409
02:04:46,380 --> 02:04:48,800
conclusion, but nobody knows if they even have

3410
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:50,520
any right title or interest, the people are

3411
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:52,580
going to probably vote for independence or to

3412
02:04:52,580 --> 02:04:53,800
come into the United States.

3413
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:55,800
But if they did, if they did do

3414
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,140
that, then I would tariff Denmark at a

3415
02:04:58,140 --> 02:04:58,820
very high level.

3416
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:01,580
On defense spending, he's already putting pressure on

3417
02:05:01,580 --> 02:05:04,000
Europeans to spend more as a percentage of

3418
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,940
their overall economic output.

3419
02:05:06,300 --> 02:05:08,300
Well, I think NATO should have 5%.

3420
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:10,520
Well, you can't do it at 2%.

3421
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:12,760
I mean, at 2%, every country, if you're

3422
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:14,140
going to have a country in a regular

3423
02:05:14,140 --> 02:05:15,560
military, you're at 4%.

3424
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:17,240
I think they should be, you know, they're

3425
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:18,140
in dangerous territory.

3426
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:19,380
I think it should be they can all

3427
02:05:19,380 --> 02:05:21,600
afford it, but they should be at 5%,

3428
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:21,980
not 2%.

3429
02:05:23,340 --> 02:05:24,540
I'm the one that got them to pay

3430
02:05:24,540 --> 02:05:25,160
2%.

3431
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,600
Now, I played that for the 5%

3432
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:29,680
number, which I had not heard before.

3433
02:05:30,380 --> 02:05:32,040
Had you heard 5% of GDP?

3434
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:34,740
No.

3435
02:05:35,740 --> 02:05:39,000
Well, as it turns out, the guy who

3436
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,560
used to be in human resources at Unilever,

3437
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:44,180
who ran the Netherlands into the ground for

3438
02:05:44,180 --> 02:05:45,980
the past 12 years, who is now the

3439
02:05:45,980 --> 02:05:48,740
head of NATO, he's our guy.

3440
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:51,340
He is selling- Your buddy?

3441
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:54,560
Our guy is Mark Rutte.

3442
02:05:54,860 --> 02:05:58,360
He works for us and he's doing a

3443
02:05:58,360 --> 02:05:59,200
great job.

3444
02:05:59,340 --> 02:06:01,240
I have some Dutch pride actually now.

3445
02:06:01,460 --> 02:06:03,880
What I know from Donald Trump and from

3446
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:06,300
the incoming administration is that they were the

3447
02:06:06,300 --> 02:06:07,880
ones pushing us for more defense spending.

3448
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:10,160
They were successful at this and they were

3449
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:10,500
right.

3450
02:06:10,500 --> 02:06:11,480
They were right.

3451
02:06:11,620 --> 02:06:12,480
They were right.

3452
02:06:12,620 --> 02:06:13,020
Yes.

3453
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:15,700
I mean, we did not spend enough.

3454
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,780
And now, luckily, we are overall close to

3455
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:19,940
- Interesting.

3456
02:06:20,580 --> 02:06:20,980
No, wait.

3457
02:06:21,220 --> 02:06:22,440
Oh, it's so much better.

3458
02:06:22,780 --> 02:06:24,320
Give that guy a stroopwafel.

3459
02:06:24,420 --> 02:06:25,100
Spent enough.

3460
02:06:25,260 --> 02:06:28,140
And now, luckily, we are overall close to

3461
02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:29,540
the 2%.

3462
02:06:29,540 --> 02:06:31,680
The problem is, of course, that in the

3463
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:33,540
meantime, the 2% is not enough.

3464
02:06:33,660 --> 02:06:34,340
It's not enough.

3465
02:06:34,420 --> 02:06:35,980
We just heard Trump say it himself.

3466
02:06:36,460 --> 02:06:38,320
And some of you asked me, okay, what

3467
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:38,820
should it be?

3468
02:06:38,820 --> 02:06:40,460
I don't want to commit to a number,

3469
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:43,240
but as I said in my Carnegie-

3470
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:44,620
Yeah, you better say it because here's my

3471
02:06:44,620 --> 02:06:44,880
number.

3472
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:45,200
...

3473
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:46,200
talk after my speech.

3474
02:06:46,620 --> 02:06:48,460
When you look, so let's say, at a

3475
02:06:48,460 --> 02:06:51,740
sort of first glance at the capability requirements

3476
02:06:51,740 --> 02:06:54,460
emerging from the internal planning process with the

3477
02:06:54,460 --> 02:06:56,840
NATO, it will be north of 3%.

3478
02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:58,660
But then you are right if you do

3479
02:06:58,660 --> 02:07:01,120
joint buying and making use of the NSBA

3480
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:03,820
Luxembourg structures and everything else.

3481
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,420
Listen to these Luxembourg structures.

3482
02:07:05,620 --> 02:07:07,240
We have all kinds of funny ways to

3483
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:07,980
make the money flow.

3484
02:07:07,980 --> 02:07:10,120
With the NATO and the EU, you can

3485
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:13,640
deduct joint buying, you can deduct innovation, for

3486
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:14,020
example.

3487
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:15,480
This guy, he's selling.

3488
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:17,780
He's like, look, listen, you can afford this

3489
02:07:17,780 --> 02:07:18,120
place.

3490
02:07:18,220 --> 02:07:19,140
You can afford this house.

3491
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:20,560
You get to write off the mortgage.

3492
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:22,460
You write off your insurance.

3493
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:25,180
I mean, this is a bargain.

3494
02:07:25,980 --> 02:07:28,680
Ukraine is experimenting with new radar systems, which

3495
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:31,580
are extremely less expensive than some of the

3496
02:07:31,580 --> 02:07:35,480
more traditional radar systems to detect enemy missiles

3497
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:36,080
coming in.

3498
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:37,340
Just one example.

3499
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:38,880
Cheap radar, what?

3500
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:40,000
Cheap radar.

3501
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:42,060
It's very cheap radar from Raytheon.

3502
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:46,460
We've got many more capabilities we can buy

3503
02:07:46,460 --> 02:07:47,120
from America.

3504
02:07:47,460 --> 02:07:49,980
To detect enemy missiles coming in.

3505
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:51,260
Just one example.

3506
02:07:51,820 --> 02:07:53,880
If you deduct that, you don't have to

3507
02:07:53,880 --> 02:07:56,520
get to what we are afraid of, you

3508
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:58,620
would need now, which is 3.6, 3

3509
02:07:58,620 --> 02:08:00,800
.7. So you would bring that number somewhat

3510
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,840
down, but it will be impressively more than

3511
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,380
the 2% we are at now.

3512
02:08:05,380 --> 02:08:06,340
I'm afraid.

3513
02:08:06,440 --> 02:08:08,920
But that is a structured process within NATO.

3514
02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:10,880
We will conclude it over the coming month

3515
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,400
with the defense ministers latest in June before

3516
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:14,780
the summit in The Hague.

3517
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:17,360
So now as a good salesman, he's going

3518
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:18,520
to look at the other side.

3519
02:08:18,620 --> 02:08:20,000
He's going to look at your argument, why

3520
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,700
you shouldn't buy this, why you shouldn't buy

3521
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:24,660
into this much higher defense spending on American

3522
02:08:24,660 --> 02:08:25,120
gear.

3523
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:27,260
Oh, you want to have your own NATO?

3524
02:08:27,980 --> 02:08:29,180
Fine, go ahead.

3525
02:08:29,340 --> 02:08:31,700
Then on the more autonomous European defense, well,

3526
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:33,140
it's great to have a sort of European

3527
02:08:33,140 --> 02:08:35,580
NATO, but then forget about the 2%.

3528
02:08:35,580 --> 02:08:36,620
Then you have to bring it up to

3529
02:08:36,620 --> 02:08:37,740
8, 9 or 10%.

3530
02:08:38,740 --> 02:08:40,100
This guy is great.

3531
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:41,500
Forget about this.

3532
02:08:41,600 --> 02:08:42,480
Forget about it, man.

3533
02:08:42,580 --> 02:08:43,420
8, 9%?

3534
02:08:43,580 --> 02:08:45,700
Really, you have to build your own nuclear

3535
02:08:45,700 --> 02:08:46,500
capability.

3536
02:08:47,220 --> 02:08:47,700
Oh, yes.

3537
02:08:47,700 --> 02:08:49,240
It will take 15, 20 years.

3538
02:08:49,340 --> 02:08:50,300
It will take forever.

3539
02:08:50,540 --> 02:08:52,420
If you want to build a European NATO

3540
02:08:52,420 --> 02:08:53,360
with it out to US.

3541
02:08:53,420 --> 02:08:56,100
At this moment, the US is spending over

3542
02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:56,440
60%.

3543
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:57,960
Oh, boy.

3544
02:08:58,160 --> 02:08:59,820
Of all the monies being spent with the

3545
02:08:59,820 --> 02:09:01,400
NATO charity, over 60%.

3546
02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:03,460
That means the other 31 are doing less

3547
02:09:03,460 --> 02:09:03,740
than.

3548
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:05,860
Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.

3549
02:09:06,180 --> 02:09:07,460
Get your math right.

3550
02:09:08,720 --> 02:09:10,060
40%, including Canada.

3551
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:12,540
And so it is an illusion that you

3552
02:09:12,540 --> 02:09:14,880
can build a European NATO over the next

3553
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:15,640
10 or 50 years.

3554
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:16,880
Why would you?

3555
02:09:17,300 --> 02:09:20,340
I mean, the transatlantic relationship, I think, after

3556
02:09:20,340 --> 02:09:22,480
the First World War, but particularly after the

3557
02:09:22,480 --> 02:09:24,140
Second World War, has served us very well.

3558
02:09:24,260 --> 02:09:24,480
Yes.

3559
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:26,720
So why would we disconnect from the US?

3560
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:27,560
I would be against it.

3561
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,600
But again, if you want this for ideological

3562
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:30,240
reasons.

3563
02:09:30,340 --> 02:09:31,700
If you want this, if you hate the

3564
02:09:31,700 --> 02:09:33,080
orange man that much, it's OK.

3565
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:36,240
Then you have to quadruple or even more

3566
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:37,040
your defense spending.

3567
02:09:37,300 --> 02:09:38,740
And then it will still take you 10

3568
02:09:38,740 --> 02:09:39,380
or 15 years.

3569
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:39,780
Yeah.

3570
02:09:39,900 --> 02:09:41,340
So you go ahead, you do that.

3571
02:09:41,560 --> 02:09:44,180
And meanwhile, me, Mark Rutte, I'm going to

3572
02:09:44,180 --> 02:09:45,380
close the deal now.

3573
02:09:45,620 --> 02:09:48,060
I'm absolutely convinced the United States will stay

3574
02:09:48,060 --> 02:09:49,060
with the NATO.

3575
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:50,200
I'm not worried about that.

3576
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:53,820
But we have to make sure that the

3577
02:09:53,820 --> 02:09:56,000
argument which the US had in the past

3578
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,000
and still can have to a certain extent

3579
02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:58,620
at this moment.

3580
02:09:59,180 --> 02:10:02,660
That because of what they are spending, we

3581
02:10:02,660 --> 02:10:04,400
can spend more on other stuff because they

3582
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:05,440
spent it on defense.

3583
02:10:05,980 --> 02:10:07,720
That we take out that argument by spending

3584
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:08,480
more ourselves.

3585
02:10:08,820 --> 02:10:10,940
And when I say spending more ourselves, yet

3586
02:10:10,940 --> 02:10:14,480
it's better spending, joint procurement, innovation, etc.

3587
02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:16,600
But again, also more spending.

3588
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:19,740
The 2%, everything I'm seeing at this moment

3589
02:10:19,740 --> 02:10:21,600
is not nearly enough.

3590
02:10:21,740 --> 02:10:23,460
And if we don't do it, we are

3591
02:10:23,460 --> 02:10:24,920
safe now, but not in four or five

3592
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:25,280
years.

3593
02:10:25,460 --> 02:10:26,380
Here comes the threat.

3594
02:10:26,380 --> 02:10:28,120
So if you don't do it, get out

3595
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:30,140
your Russian language courses or go to New

3596
02:10:30,140 --> 02:10:32,840
Zealand or decide now to spend more.

3597
02:10:32,940 --> 02:10:34,400
And that's exactly the debate we have to

3598
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:36,120
finalize over the next three or four months

3599
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:38,760
to stay safe in this part of the

3600
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:39,880
world and defend ourselves.

3601
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:42,080
You will be speaking Russian if you don't

3602
02:10:42,080 --> 02:10:42,780
spend the money.

3603
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:45,960
I'm liking this guy now.

3604
02:10:48,380 --> 02:10:49,860
You've always liked him.

3605
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:51,200
He's perfect for us.

3606
02:10:51,200 --> 02:10:51,760
Because you can do him.

3607
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:54,540
Well, but he's perfect.

3608
02:10:54,540 --> 02:10:57,940
I had no idea that he is 100

3609
02:10:57,940 --> 02:11:00,460
% military industrial complex shill.

3610
02:11:01,540 --> 02:11:04,060
I mean, surprise, gambling going on here.

3611
02:11:04,340 --> 02:11:07,220
But I mean, he's perfect for this.

3612
02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:09,600
Because, you know, you can't argue that.

3613
02:11:10,460 --> 02:11:11,400
You want to speak Russian?

3614
02:11:11,700 --> 02:11:12,120
Go ahead.

3615
02:11:12,300 --> 02:11:13,520
Don't spend the monies.

3616
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:16,200
We must decide this in three to four

3617
02:11:16,200 --> 02:11:16,520
months.

3618
02:11:17,180 --> 02:11:22,900
So the AFD people in Deutschland, they're seriously

3619
02:11:22,900 --> 02:11:24,680
thinking of quitting NATO.

3620
02:11:27,740 --> 02:11:30,260
If Germany leaves, what's left?

3621
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:34,180
That's where the money is coming from.

3622
02:11:34,860 --> 02:11:35,460
Wow.

3623
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:37,460
I don't know.

3624
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:39,500
It's going to be an interesting year.

3625
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:44,560
You know, Europe goes back hundreds and hundreds

3626
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:45,420
and hundreds of years.

3627
02:11:45,540 --> 02:11:47,080
They're always fighting with each other.

3628
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:50,320
The fact that we've put this off somehow,

3629
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,980
where there hasn't been any real fights, you

3630
02:11:53,980 --> 02:11:56,200
know, since 1946.

3631
02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:00,800
Except for this Ukraine situation and a few

3632
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:03,600
miscellaneous bombings here and there in Serbia.

3633
02:12:05,380 --> 02:12:06,660
Minor stuff.

3634
02:12:06,900 --> 02:12:08,140
Minor incursions.

3635
02:12:09,780 --> 02:12:10,900
It's a miracle.

3636
02:12:12,420 --> 02:12:14,280
They were always at each other's throats.

3637
02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:17,680
Traditionally, forever.

3638
02:12:17,960 --> 02:12:19,280
I don't see why that would change.

3639
02:12:19,380 --> 02:12:20,400
It's got to come back.

3640
02:12:20,700 --> 02:12:24,140
Well, if Germany, if the AFD helps Germany

3641
02:12:24,140 --> 02:12:26,220
leave NATO, no, there it is.

3642
02:12:27,620 --> 02:12:29,780
And isn't it always the Germans and the

3643
02:12:29,780 --> 02:12:30,120
French?

3644
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:32,780
It's always the Germans and the French.

3645
02:12:32,980 --> 02:12:34,740
It's some way, shape or form.

3646
02:12:34,900 --> 02:12:36,480
I mean, the British are always in there,

3647
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:37,980
too, fighting someone.

3648
02:12:38,220 --> 02:12:39,260
They got nothing now.

3649
02:12:39,900 --> 02:12:40,820
Yeah, nothing.

3650
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:41,440
They got nothing.

3651
02:12:42,100 --> 02:12:42,300
Yeah.

3652
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:45,260
Well, with that, how about I thank you

3653
02:12:45,260 --> 02:12:47,620
for your courage and say in the morning

3654
02:12:47,620 --> 02:12:49,320
to you, the man who put the seas

3655
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:50,920
incredible bullcrap.

3656
02:12:51,260 --> 02:12:52,420
Say hello to my friend on the other

3657
02:12:52,420 --> 02:12:52,580
end.

3658
02:12:52,660 --> 02:12:55,980
The one, the only, the inimitable John C.

3659
02:12:56,820 --> 02:13:02,060
Yeah, in the morning to you, Mr. Adam

3660
02:13:02,060 --> 02:13:02,280
Curry.

3661
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:03,840
Also, in the morning, ships and sea boots

3662
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:05,000
on the ground, feeding the air, subs in

3663
02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:06,120
the water, dames and knights out there.

3664
02:13:06,420 --> 02:13:06,760
Hello, trolls.

3665
02:13:06,980 --> 02:13:07,360
Here we go.

3666
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,220
Yeah, our peak was still 2655.

3667
02:13:13,460 --> 02:13:13,840
It's good.

3668
02:13:14,200 --> 02:13:14,560
It's been good.

3669
02:13:14,620 --> 02:13:15,720
You know, everyone wants to hear what you

3670
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:16,540
have to say about TikTok.

3671
02:13:17,900 --> 02:13:19,560
And I'm sure you will say I gave

3672
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:20,100
him too much.

3673
02:13:20,620 --> 02:13:21,260
You did.

3674
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:21,640
Yeah.

3675
02:13:21,780 --> 02:13:23,560
Well, we don't need to have a meeting

3676
02:13:23,560 --> 02:13:24,080
about it.

3677
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:24,940
Message received.

3678
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:26,420
We don't have to have a meeting about

3679
02:13:26,420 --> 02:13:26,520
it.

3680
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:27,980
We never have meetings about anything.

3681
02:13:30,820 --> 02:13:31,440
Actually, we don't.

3682
02:13:31,460 --> 02:13:33,180
I do have a late donation that came

3683
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:33,720
in over there.

3684
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,280
We'll talk about it as we get to

3685
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:37,300
the donation segment.

3686
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:39,340
Oh, we typically don't do that.

3687
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:40,460
I know.

3688
02:13:40,740 --> 02:13:41,060
I know.

3689
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:42,840
And that's what my complaint is.

3690
02:13:42,920 --> 02:13:43,800
It'll be a big complaint.

3691
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:45,800
Well, what about the meeting about that late

3692
02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:46,240
donation?

3693
02:13:46,380 --> 02:13:47,000
We should have had a meeting.

3694
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:48,140
I could have brought it up, but I'll

3695
02:13:48,140 --> 02:13:48,480
bring it up.

3696
02:13:48,700 --> 02:13:50,220
You can talk about it after the show.

3697
02:13:50,360 --> 02:13:53,100
In our pre-show meeting where we...

3698
02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:56,620
The pre-show meeting, which consists of in

3699
02:13:56,620 --> 02:13:59,200
the morning and hit it.

3700
02:13:59,320 --> 02:13:59,600
Hit it.

3701
02:14:00,820 --> 02:14:03,200
That is how all meetings should go.

3702
02:14:03,720 --> 02:14:06,380
If all corporations did meetings like we do.

3703
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:08,440
There's also one that there's a variable, which

3704
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:10,180
is, did you get the bonus clip?

3705
02:14:10,740 --> 02:14:12,140
That is the third element.

3706
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:13,840
That is a big part of the meeting.

3707
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:14,740
Occasionally.

3708
02:14:14,940 --> 02:14:16,460
That is a big part of the meeting.

3709
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:18,820
Those trolls, by the way, are hanging out

3710
02:14:18,820 --> 02:14:22,740
at trollroom.io, noagenda.stream. And there's a

3711
02:14:22,740 --> 02:14:24,600
troll room where you sit there, you troll

3712
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:25,100
along.

3713
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,340
For some reason, people...

3714
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:29,600
There's like five guys in there.

3715
02:14:30,180 --> 02:14:32,180
And all they say is, oh, that's fake

3716
02:14:32,180 --> 02:14:32,640
and gay.

3717
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:34,400
That's the only line they have.

3718
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:35,520
It's fake and gay?

3719
02:14:35,540 --> 02:14:37,200
That's the only line they have.

3720
02:14:37,700 --> 02:14:38,140
Yeah.

3721
02:14:38,260 --> 02:14:39,440
Over and over again.

3722
02:14:39,540 --> 02:14:40,740
It's just like, oh, wow.

3723
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:43,960
You need new material.

3724
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:46,280
You need new material, guys.

3725
02:14:46,440 --> 02:14:47,040
Low T.

3726
02:14:51,060 --> 02:14:54,320
Of course, you can also get the show

3727
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:56,200
live on a modern podcast app.

3728
02:14:56,520 --> 02:15:00,640
Go to podcastappsplural.com and get one of

3729
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:00,740
them.

3730
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:01,540
It has the bat signal.

3731
02:15:01,540 --> 02:15:03,400
We go live and you can listen live

3732
02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:04,020
in your app.

3733
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:05,200
The same app that gets you all of

3734
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:06,180
your favorite podcasts.

3735
02:15:06,860 --> 02:15:10,620
And when we release the podcast within 90

3736
02:15:10,620 --> 02:15:11,700
seconds, you'll be notified.

3737
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:12,680
It's a beautiful thing.

3738
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:14,800
And it adds all kinds of cool stuff

3739
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:17,240
like chapters with art that is taken from

3740
02:15:17,240 --> 02:15:19,960
our art generator, which is diligently uploaded by

3741
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:22,660
our artists during the show.

3742
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:23,660
They make these things.

3743
02:15:24,380 --> 02:15:25,760
And that, of course, is part of our

3744
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:27,800
value for value model where we give this

3745
02:15:27,800 --> 02:15:28,940
to you as a public service.

3746
02:15:28,940 --> 02:15:30,880
If you get any value out of what

3747
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:33,080
we have presented to you, then you just

3748
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:33,800
send it back to us.

3749
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:35,040
Time, talent, or treasure.

3750
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:37,640
So let's start with the value we received

3751
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:40,560
from our artists for episode 1730.

3752
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:44,020
We titled that one Pam Bondage.

3753
02:15:44,700 --> 02:15:46,060
Oh, by the way, I got a note

3754
02:15:46,060 --> 02:15:48,760
from, let me see, where is it?

3755
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:49,540
From Trolldar.

3756
02:15:50,460 --> 02:15:55,660
And he sent a picture of him at

3757
02:15:55,660 --> 02:15:58,160
a rally where Pam Bondy was speaking.

3758
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:02,500
And he says, yeah, she may be telegenic,

3759
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:04,420
but in real life, she looks like Merle

3760
02:16:04,420 --> 02:16:05,920
Haggard in a blonde wig.

3761
02:16:09,060 --> 02:16:12,580
Well, it doesn't matter if you're telegenic.

3762
02:16:12,620 --> 02:16:14,920
I thought that would just be something that

3763
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:16,600
you'd be interested in hearing about.

3764
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:19,960
Well, you know, I have this theory and

3765
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:21,200
so it's, you know, okay.

3766
02:16:21,240 --> 02:16:21,660
Go ahead.

3767
02:16:21,740 --> 02:16:22,260
What's the theory?

3768
02:16:22,680 --> 02:16:26,040
I consider there's different kinds of beauty.

3769
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:29,200
And within the same person, there's three kinds

3770
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:30,920
of beauty you can exhibit.

3771
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:35,639
One is in-person beauty.

3772
02:16:35,820 --> 02:16:38,860
Some people that are just terrific looking in

3773
02:16:38,860 --> 02:16:39,219
person.

3774
02:16:40,059 --> 02:16:43,340
And then there's photogeneity, which is somebody who

3775
02:16:43,340 --> 02:16:44,559
looks great in a photograph.

3776
02:16:45,580 --> 02:16:48,940
And then there's telegeneity, which is also similar,

3777
02:16:49,160 --> 02:16:50,000
but it's not the same.

3778
02:16:50,420 --> 02:16:52,360
And it's when people look good on video.

3779
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:54,700
And she is telegenic.

3780
02:16:54,799 --> 02:16:55,760
She's a little photogenic.

3781
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,900
I've never seen her in person, but she

3782
02:16:57,900 --> 02:17:00,540
brings me back to my story about Marla

3783
02:17:00,540 --> 02:17:01,020
Maples.

3784
02:17:01,740 --> 02:17:04,360
Yes, you have mentioned this, but go ahead.

3785
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:06,400
The story about Marla.

3786
02:17:06,440 --> 02:17:09,260
I got to meet Marla Maples, Trump's wife,

3787
02:17:09,780 --> 02:17:12,540
or became her wife or became his wife.

3788
02:17:12,700 --> 02:17:14,459
Was she married to the Donald at the

3789
02:17:14,459 --> 02:17:14,740
time?

3790
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:15,959
No, she was not.

3791
02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:16,620
She was single.

3792
02:17:17,219 --> 02:17:18,799
But you were like, hey, baby.

3793
02:17:21,059 --> 02:17:23,639
No, you could tell she wasn't interested in

3794
02:17:23,639 --> 02:17:25,219
anybody, but someone bloated.

3795
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:27,660
But you could also tell this.

3796
02:17:28,379 --> 02:17:30,459
For one thing, she was more beautiful than

3797
02:17:30,459 --> 02:17:34,040
you can imagine, to the point where she

3798
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:35,580
looked pretty in photos, but no.

3799
02:17:35,700 --> 02:17:37,440
No, she didn't really look all that great

3800
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:38,040
in photos.

3801
02:17:38,299 --> 02:17:38,719
It was okay.

3802
02:17:39,879 --> 02:17:41,940
The matter not, because she was a killer.

3803
02:17:42,379 --> 02:17:45,020
And you knew from just looking at it,

3804
02:17:45,059 --> 02:17:46,580
if she put her hooks in you, you

3805
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:47,520
were done.

3806
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:49,120
And that's what happened to poor Trump.

3807
02:17:49,700 --> 02:17:52,299
Now, so I'm having a photo take a

3808
02:17:52,299 --> 02:17:53,719
shoot in New York.

3809
02:17:53,719 --> 02:17:56,840
And with this photographer there, who's a picture.

3810
02:17:56,980 --> 02:17:58,520
Now, are you in the photo shoot or

3811
02:17:58,520 --> 02:17:59,160
are you producing?

3812
02:17:59,459 --> 02:18:01,520
I mean, I'm the guy being shot by

3813
02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:02,760
this by this photographer.

3814
02:18:03,100 --> 02:18:04,400
What was this for?

3815
02:18:04,540 --> 02:18:07,020
Was it was a PC computing or something?

3816
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:07,860
It was, I don't know.

3817
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:08,580
I can't remember.

3818
02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:10,020
But it was I had had this shot.

3819
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:11,780
So I was in there talking to the

3820
02:18:11,780 --> 02:18:13,459
guy and he's also did fine art.

3821
02:18:13,580 --> 02:18:15,180
And I said, oh, you know, I'm always

3822
02:18:15,180 --> 02:18:17,020
trying to scrounge some free stuff.

3823
02:18:18,340 --> 02:18:21,660
And so I somehow Marla Maples comes into

3824
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:22,379
the conversation.

3825
02:18:22,379 --> 02:18:24,139
And I said, you know, she's so pretty.

3826
02:18:24,219 --> 02:18:24,820
I've never seen a good.

3827
02:18:25,020 --> 02:18:27,020
And the guy jumps on it right away.

3828
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:29,559
And he says, I tried to take pictures

3829
02:18:29,559 --> 02:18:31,780
of her and I couldn't capture it.

3830
02:18:31,900 --> 02:18:34,280
It was the most frustrating experience I've ever

3831
02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:35,320
had as a photographer.

3832
02:18:36,700 --> 02:18:39,320
And so that was so she was of

3833
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:42,500
the one type only of beauty.

3834
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:43,940
But there are some people that are all

3835
02:18:43,940 --> 02:18:45,540
three, which is very rare.

3836
02:18:45,799 --> 02:18:47,400
Now, what did you talk about with her?

3837
02:18:49,139 --> 02:18:50,360
With Marla Maples?

3838
02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:50,639
Yeah.

3839
02:18:52,219 --> 02:18:53,120
Oh, I can't remember.

3840
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:54,700
It was just, you know, you're to your

3841
02:18:54,700 --> 02:18:56,540
jaw drops when you're just chatting with her.

3842
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:58,459
She was on the phone almost all the

3843
02:18:58,459 --> 02:18:58,980
time.

3844
02:18:59,559 --> 02:19:00,059
It was Adam.

3845
02:19:00,240 --> 02:19:02,459
It was this is I'm not sound like

3846
02:19:02,459 --> 02:19:04,940
a douche, but it was that Bob.

3847
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:06,299
I think it was.

3848
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:07,600
How do you pronounce his last name?

3849
02:19:07,639 --> 02:19:09,980
The guy ran a Gucci on Gucci on

3850
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:12,840
Gucci on his mansion was the biggest.

3851
02:19:13,540 --> 02:19:14,559
It was this big.

3852
02:19:14,620 --> 02:19:16,280
It was it was actually a whole flat.

3853
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:16,940
Wait a minute.

3854
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:18,219
Let me just get this straight.

3855
02:19:18,219 --> 02:19:22,040
You're doing a photo shoot for yourself at

3856
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:23,459
Bob Gucci on his mansion.

3857
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:25,940
I like the way you conflate these things.

3858
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:28,120
No, the photo shoot was like a year

3859
02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:28,559
later.

3860
02:19:28,820 --> 02:19:30,160
Oh, oh, OK.

3861
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:30,559
I see.

3862
02:19:30,879 --> 02:19:32,980
I'm at Gucci on his mansion for some

3863
02:19:32,980 --> 02:19:35,480
event because of something that was going on.

3864
02:19:35,500 --> 02:19:36,780
And I had a party there.

3865
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:38,000
Computer party, no doubt.

3866
02:19:38,660 --> 02:19:38,920
Yeah.

3867
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:41,219
And she was there and there's a bunch

3868
02:19:41,219 --> 02:19:43,120
of these Gucci only people there.

3869
02:19:43,139 --> 02:19:45,000
And the house was interesting.

3870
02:19:45,180 --> 02:19:46,879
It was a big it's a big it's

3871
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:48,200
a townhouse.

3872
02:19:48,220 --> 02:19:49,580
He had the whole townhouse.

3873
02:19:50,060 --> 02:19:52,120
And it was supposedly the biggest one in

3874
02:19:52,120 --> 02:19:53,280
Manhattan, supposedly.

3875
02:19:54,260 --> 02:19:56,740
And yeah, it was very, very douchey.

3876
02:19:56,820 --> 02:19:57,120
I don't know.

3877
02:19:57,140 --> 02:19:58,420
I never went to Epstein's.

3878
02:19:59,080 --> 02:20:00,440
I hope not.

3879
02:20:00,740 --> 02:20:04,620
I mean, between Gucci only between Gucci only

3880
02:20:04,620 --> 02:20:06,300
and and the Grove.

3881
02:20:06,420 --> 02:20:06,880
What is it?

3882
02:20:08,140 --> 02:20:08,940
Bohemian Grove.

3883
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:09,940
Yeah, I know.

3884
02:20:09,980 --> 02:20:10,480
I'm suspect.

3885
02:20:10,900 --> 02:20:11,760
Very suspect.

3886
02:20:12,660 --> 02:20:14,220
I think we need to put pictures of

3887
02:20:14,220 --> 02:20:15,560
you up on the wall and connect some

3888
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:16,820
yarn between them.

3889
02:20:16,820 --> 02:20:17,780
Yeah, yarn.

3890
02:20:17,900 --> 02:20:18,600
That's what we need.

3891
02:20:18,940 --> 02:20:23,060
Hey, the artist for Episode 1730, Pam Bondage,

3892
02:20:23,340 --> 02:20:25,520
was no one less than Darren O'Neill,

3893
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,900
who has just become a force to reckon

3894
02:20:28,900 --> 02:20:31,740
with when it comes to prompt jockeying.

3895
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:35,460
Who needs talent when you can prompt jockey?

3896
02:20:35,740 --> 02:20:37,200
We know Darren has no talent.

3897
02:20:37,300 --> 02:20:38,500
That's what's so great about it.

3898
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:39,080
Yeah.

3899
02:20:42,260 --> 02:20:45,020
And he did this and what was really

3900
02:20:45,020 --> 02:20:45,660
nice about it.

3901
02:20:45,660 --> 02:20:47,760
It was a little different.

3902
02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:49,840
I mean, first of all, it was a

3903
02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:51,200
fabulous piece.

3904
02:20:51,360 --> 02:20:52,100
Let's face it.

3905
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:53,780
It was like a movie poster and a

3906
02:20:53,780 --> 02:20:54,620
postage stamp.

3907
02:20:54,980 --> 02:20:56,180
Newsom's Inferno.

3908
02:20:56,420 --> 02:20:58,500
And above it, it had No Agenda Studios

3909
02:20:58,500 --> 02:21:01,100
and then produced by Curry and Dvorak.

3910
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:02,200
I mean, yes.

3911
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:05,000
That is insight.

3912
02:21:05,140 --> 02:21:06,480
He does have ideas.

3913
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:08,280
He's got ideas.

3914
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:11,540
I don't know how that piece could even

3915
02:21:11,540 --> 02:21:11,780
come.

3916
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:13,220
I mean, it's obviously AI.

3917
02:21:13,540 --> 02:21:14,020
That's what he does.

3918
02:21:14,020 --> 02:21:14,840
That's what he does.

3919
02:21:14,900 --> 02:21:15,140
Yes.

3920
02:21:15,140 --> 02:21:17,300
I don't know how this piece could have

3921
02:21:17,300 --> 02:21:19,580
possibly been generated by anything.

3922
02:21:20,140 --> 02:21:20,240
Yeah.

3923
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:21,260
It's so good.

3924
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:22,420
Well, maybe he'll tell us.

3925
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:24,340
Maybe he can let us know how he

3926
02:21:24,340 --> 02:21:24,600
did it.

3927
02:21:24,760 --> 02:21:26,260
He sent us the prompts before.

3928
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:28,560
I'd like to just take those prompts that

3929
02:21:28,560 --> 02:21:30,440
he did and then try them in different

3930
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:30,920
AIs.

3931
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:32,140
And let's see if it comes out.

3932
02:21:32,220 --> 02:21:33,760
I mean, it's amazing.

3933
02:21:33,860 --> 02:21:37,280
And the sad thing, of course, is he's

3934
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:39,820
usurping talented people.

3935
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:42,720
Oh, he's kicking their ass.

3936
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:45,860
It's, yes, it's sad.

3937
02:21:46,140 --> 02:21:46,800
It's sad.

3938
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:47,900
But what are you going to do?

3939
02:21:48,540 --> 02:21:51,240
I mean, this is like disco all over

3940
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:51,560
again.

3941
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:54,580
You know, when everyone came in with the

3942
02:21:54,580 --> 02:21:54,920
drum beats.

3943
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:56,420
Well, I'm reminded of Martin JJ in the

3944
02:21:56,420 --> 02:22:00,440
years past when he was dominating the art

3945
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:00,820
segment.

3946
02:22:01,020 --> 02:22:01,520
The art charts.

3947
02:22:01,700 --> 02:22:02,120
The charts.

3948
02:22:02,660 --> 02:22:05,700
He was dominating for about, I don't know,

3949
02:22:05,740 --> 02:22:06,500
two or three months.

3950
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:08,140
And he said, look, I'm dominating.

3951
02:22:08,320 --> 02:22:08,960
It's ridiculous.

3952
02:22:09,220 --> 02:22:09,820
I quit.

3953
02:22:10,420 --> 02:22:11,300
Yeah, Darren.

3954
02:22:12,220 --> 02:22:13,040
Just saying.

3955
02:22:13,100 --> 02:22:15,380
I don't want Darren to quit yet, but

3956
02:22:15,380 --> 02:22:16,780
he's getting there.

3957
02:22:17,140 --> 02:22:18,380
He is up there for sure.

3958
02:22:19,320 --> 02:22:19,900
Let's see.

3959
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:21,740
There were some other things that we looked

3960
02:22:21,740 --> 02:22:22,160
at.

3961
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:23,020
Some other.

3962
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:25,760
I kind of like the red note from

3963
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:26,580
Sir Shug.

3964
02:22:27,100 --> 02:22:28,140
Better than TikTok.

3965
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:29,540
Try a red note.

3966
02:22:31,660 --> 02:22:34,260
But Tantaniel had come in, which we're happy

3967
02:22:34,260 --> 02:22:34,620
to see.

3968
02:22:34,700 --> 02:22:35,760
It's a yes or no question.

3969
02:22:35,980 --> 02:22:37,320
I take that as a no agenda.

3970
02:22:37,460 --> 02:22:39,320
But it was just, I mean, it just

3971
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:40,060
couldn't compete.

3972
02:22:41,080 --> 02:22:41,720
Scaramouche.

3973
02:22:41,880 --> 02:22:44,540
A lot of bondage pics.

3974
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:45,100
Very funny.

3975
02:22:46,220 --> 02:22:50,620
We don't typically put people on our art.

3976
02:22:52,380 --> 02:22:54,000
People keep forgetting that.

3977
02:22:55,980 --> 02:22:56,800
Yeah, we don't.

3978
02:22:56,860 --> 02:22:58,100
It's not really a rule.

3979
02:22:58,340 --> 02:23:00,060
But yeah, generally, we don't do that.

3980
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:02,540
What else was there?

3981
02:23:02,980 --> 02:23:04,820
Merle Haggard with a wig.

3982
02:23:06,180 --> 02:23:07,660
It finally hit, huh?

3983
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:09,940
No, I got it the first time.

3984
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:11,380
But I'm just looking at this picture of

3985
02:23:11,380 --> 02:23:13,140
her in the bondage outfit and it's like,

3986
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:13,760
I don't know.

3987
02:23:13,980 --> 02:23:16,120
What was interesting is there was a meta

3988
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:22,260
piece as Tantaniel made a newspaper, no agenda

3989
02:23:22,260 --> 02:23:23,200
newspaper.

3990
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:27,480
And in it, she had Darren's image as

3991
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:29,440
newsprint in the newspaper.

3992
02:23:30,180 --> 02:23:31,180
Did you catch that?

3993
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:32,100
No.

3994
02:23:32,440 --> 02:23:34,040
Look, if you look at the art, are

3995
02:23:34,040 --> 02:23:34,900
you looking at the art page?

3996
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:35,900
Yeah, I got the art page.

3997
02:23:36,260 --> 02:23:36,640
You see?

3998
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:37,580
Which one is it?

3999
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:40,520
It's a newspaper and it says Olympic Fire

4000
02:23:40,520 --> 02:23:41,600
arrives in LA.

4001
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:45,740
And then you see Darren's Newsom's Inferno image

4002
02:23:45,740 --> 02:23:47,320
on the front page of the paper.

4003
02:23:48,140 --> 02:23:50,500
It's very, very meta of her to do

4004
02:23:50,500 --> 02:23:50,600
that.

4005
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:51,580
Well, I'm not finding it.

4006
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:52,800
Okay, go to it.

4007
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:53,840
You see Newsom's Inferno.

4008
02:23:53,960 --> 02:23:54,460
Oh, there it is.

4009
02:23:54,540 --> 02:23:54,720
I see.

4010
02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:55,460
I see it too soon.

4011
02:23:55,540 --> 02:23:56,440
Okay, let me look at it.

4012
02:23:59,750 --> 02:24:00,930
Oh, that's interesting.

4013
02:24:01,650 --> 02:24:02,790
That's very meta.

4014
02:24:03,170 --> 02:24:05,170
Yeah, it's just too small.

4015
02:24:05,650 --> 02:24:08,630
Well, you can't see it and it's kind

4016
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:10,670
of a boring composition.

4017
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:13,990
No offense, Tantaniel, but boring is what I

4018
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:14,470
would call it.

4019
02:24:14,570 --> 02:24:17,730
And I saw that you used Commissar Blogger's

4020
02:24:17,730 --> 02:24:20,430
Looney Tunes with Biden for the newsletter.

4021
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:21,450
Yes.

4022
02:24:22,270 --> 02:24:24,150
By the way, that was an interesting newsletter.

4023
02:24:25,570 --> 02:24:26,950
Yeah, I have a new feature.

4024
02:24:27,150 --> 02:24:27,610
A new feature.

4025
02:24:27,790 --> 02:24:29,770
Tell us about this new feature so people

4026
02:24:29,770 --> 02:24:31,310
can subscribe to the newsletter.

4027
02:24:31,950 --> 02:24:35,350
It's a point-by-point way of arguing

4028
02:24:35,350 --> 02:24:37,870
some situation that exists.

4029
02:24:39,970 --> 02:24:42,850
So it tells you what, you know, it's

4030
02:24:42,850 --> 02:24:44,850
like the left says they have these standard

4031
02:24:44,850 --> 02:24:46,910
things they keep saying and then somebody argues

4032
02:24:46,910 --> 02:24:49,570
against it and nobody says anything correctly.

4033
02:24:49,770 --> 02:24:51,590
And so this is a kind of, the

4034
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:54,170
idea is to create, about once a month

4035
02:24:54,170 --> 02:24:58,210
I'll try to do this, a counterpoint or

4036
02:24:58,210 --> 02:25:01,930
a counterpunch, which is the name of the

4037
02:25:01,930 --> 02:25:05,490
article, to some, any point.

4038
02:25:05,570 --> 02:25:09,590
I think maybe transsexuality or the gender studies.

4039
02:25:10,170 --> 02:25:11,050
How about this?

4040
02:25:11,150 --> 02:25:12,230
I have a bonus clip.

4041
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:14,410
We try to do this now.

4042
02:25:14,470 --> 02:25:16,670
Remember, this is the secret no agenda donation

4043
02:25:16,670 --> 02:25:17,150
club.

4044
02:25:17,330 --> 02:25:19,530
Oh, that's interesting because after your bonus clip,

4045
02:25:19,550 --> 02:25:20,630
I have a bonus clip.

4046
02:25:20,750 --> 02:25:23,050
Well, this is about the newsletter and specifically

4047
02:25:23,050 --> 02:25:25,030
about the, you had a name for it.

4048
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:25,870
A catchy name.

4049
02:25:27,550 --> 02:25:28,090
Counterpunch.

4050
02:25:28,350 --> 02:25:28,770
Counterpunch.

4051
02:25:29,010 --> 02:25:30,790
A Wall Street Journal news report has put

4052
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:33,210
immigration advocates in Chicago on alert.

4053
02:25:33,790 --> 02:25:35,810
If your family is picked up by ICE,

4054
02:25:35,950 --> 02:25:38,090
we will give you an appointment to sit

4055
02:25:38,090 --> 02:25:42,850
down with an attorney or accredited representative in

4056
02:25:42,850 --> 02:25:45,090
Chicago to be able to start your legal

4057
02:25:45,090 --> 02:25:47,110
screening, seeing what the options are for your

4058
02:25:47,110 --> 02:25:47,510
family.

4059
02:25:47,730 --> 02:25:50,130
State and local leaders joined them Saturday morning.

4060
02:25:50,270 --> 02:25:54,190
We did anticipate that Chicago would be first.

4061
02:25:54,190 --> 02:25:54,570
Why?

4062
02:25:55,150 --> 02:25:57,550
We were the first in the country to

4063
02:25:57,550 --> 02:26:00,270
declare ourselves a sanctuary city.

4064
02:26:00,350 --> 02:26:02,310
The Wall Street Journal's report says as early

4065
02:26:02,310 --> 02:26:05,490
as next Tuesday, 100 to 200 ICE agents

4066
02:26:05,490 --> 02:26:07,310
could be sent to the Windy City to

4067
02:26:07,310 --> 02:26:09,270
begin a deportation operation.

4068
02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:11,530
Those familiar with the plans told the journal

4069
02:26:11,530 --> 02:26:14,030
the focus will be removing people who are

4070
02:26:14,030 --> 02:26:16,170
here illegally with criminal backgrounds.

4071
02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:21,050
That assertion is to broaden the idea that

4072
02:26:21,050 --> 02:26:23,970
immigrants are more prone to criminality.

4073
02:26:24,190 --> 02:26:25,910
That's why we reject it.

4074
02:26:26,770 --> 02:26:28,050
That's the big thing.

4075
02:26:28,190 --> 02:26:31,410
That was the perfect example.

4076
02:26:31,610 --> 02:26:34,610
And in the newsletter, the counterpunch to that

4077
02:26:34,610 --> 02:26:37,770
argument is outlined in great detail.

4078
02:26:37,970 --> 02:26:38,270
Yes.

4079
02:26:38,850 --> 02:26:41,470
Go look it up on the socials and

4080
02:26:41,470 --> 02:26:44,210
every single show notes page, even on noagendashow

4081
02:26:44,210 --> 02:26:44,630
.net.

4082
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:47,830
You can find a place where you can

4083
02:26:47,830 --> 02:26:50,430
subscribe to the newsletter.

4084
02:26:50,530 --> 02:26:51,390
It's well worth it.

4085
02:26:51,650 --> 02:26:52,970
It had actual content.

4086
02:26:53,770 --> 02:26:55,610
Yes, which never helps.

4087
02:26:56,110 --> 02:26:56,830
No, it doesn't help.

4088
02:26:58,770 --> 02:27:00,850
Now we're going to move over to the

4089
02:27:00,850 --> 02:27:02,550
treasure portion of our time.

4090
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:04,390
Well, before that, you want to play a

4091
02:27:04,390 --> 02:27:04,910
bonus clip.

4092
02:27:05,070 --> 02:27:05,870
A bonus clip.

4093
02:27:05,930 --> 02:27:06,130
Okay.

4094
02:27:06,830 --> 02:27:09,110
This is an example of if you have

4095
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:10,630
your ducks in a row and you can

4096
02:27:10,630 --> 02:27:14,990
make an argument, you can do a, which

4097
02:27:14,990 --> 02:27:16,670
is the counterpunch.

4098
02:27:16,830 --> 02:27:18,570
We'll have a discussion of that.

4099
02:27:18,570 --> 02:27:22,910
But here's an example of Megan Kelly, who

4100
02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:24,910
turns out to be getting pretty good at

4101
02:27:24,910 --> 02:27:28,190
these rants because she's fast.

4102
02:27:28,330 --> 02:27:30,310
She's quick-witted and she's got her very,

4103
02:27:30,470 --> 02:27:33,170
very, very popular rants from her.

4104
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:33,950
Yeah.

4105
02:27:34,050 --> 02:27:36,090
And she nails it and she's short.

4106
02:27:36,210 --> 02:27:38,750
Now, this is a rant from Megan Kelly

4107
02:27:38,750 --> 02:27:39,990
on Jennifer Aniston.

4108
02:27:40,130 --> 02:27:41,510
It's 55 seconds.

4109
02:27:41,970 --> 02:27:43,970
And Tina told me about this one.

4110
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:45,950
It's quite good.

4111
02:27:45,950 --> 02:27:49,930
Think about how tight, how tight this 55

4112
02:27:49,930 --> 02:27:52,490
-second rant is and try to be like

4113
02:27:52,490 --> 02:27:52,850
this.

4114
02:27:53,090 --> 02:27:55,070
You just saw Jennifer Aniston tweeted out about

4115
02:27:55,070 --> 02:27:57,070
JD Vance's childless cat lady comments.

4116
02:27:57,170 --> 02:27:57,910
I don't know if you saw that.

4117
02:27:58,010 --> 02:27:59,470
She came out and said, I hope your

4118
02:27:59,470 --> 02:28:01,710
daughter never needs IVF, which you will oppose.

4119
02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:02,350
Lie.

4120
02:28:02,530 --> 02:28:03,530
He doesn't oppose IVF.

4121
02:28:03,630 --> 02:28:05,330
He signed on to the Ted Cruz, Katie

4122
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:07,330
Britt bill protecting it in all 50 states.

4123
02:28:07,450 --> 02:28:09,110
So she wanted to stand up for childless

4124
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:10,250
cat ladies because she's one of them.

4125
02:28:10,430 --> 02:28:11,370
What she said about the women?

4126
02:28:11,650 --> 02:28:12,770
What'd she say about the girl who got

4127
02:28:12,770 --> 02:28:14,330
her face punched out by the man in

4128
02:28:14,330 --> 02:28:15,070
the boxing ring?

4129
02:28:15,070 --> 02:28:15,530
Zero.

4130
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:17,810
What does she said about Peyton McNabb who's

4131
02:28:17,810 --> 02:28:20,610
suffering permanent nerve damage and brain damage from

4132
02:28:20,610 --> 02:28:22,530
getting hit so hard in the face and

4133
02:28:22,530 --> 02:28:23,970
the head by a volleyball player in North

4134
02:28:23,970 --> 02:28:24,310
Carolina?

4135
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:25,150
Nothing.

4136
02:28:25,470 --> 02:28:26,570
What'd she say about that girl who got

4137
02:28:26,570 --> 02:28:28,190
all of her teeth knocked out in a

4138
02:28:28,190 --> 02:28:30,230
field hockey game by a boy pretending to

4139
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:31,090
be a girl on her team?

4140
02:28:31,290 --> 02:28:31,730
Zero.

4141
02:28:32,050 --> 02:28:33,610
So I don't give a shit what she

4142
02:28:33,610 --> 02:28:36,510
thinks about JD Vance and childless cat ladies.

4143
02:28:36,810 --> 02:28:38,950
She masquerades as some protector of women.

4144
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:40,550
She's quite the contrary.

4145
02:28:40,750 --> 02:28:42,310
She's never stood up on any of these

4146
02:28:42,310 --> 02:28:42,570
issues.

4147
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:44,230
This is the one she comes out on.

4148
02:28:44,230 --> 02:28:46,270
You don't want childless cat ladies to be

4149
02:28:46,270 --> 02:28:46,650
offended.

4150
02:28:46,930 --> 02:28:48,650
That's where you're going to plant your flag.

4151
02:28:50,190 --> 02:28:53,410
The problem is that Tina's a big fan

4152
02:28:53,410 --> 02:28:58,390
of the Megyn Kelly show, but she doesn't

4153
02:28:58,390 --> 02:29:00,610
really watch the whole show anymore.

4154
02:29:01,690 --> 02:29:03,150
This stuff gets chopped up.

4155
02:29:03,210 --> 02:29:04,030
It gets posted on.

4156
02:29:04,090 --> 02:29:04,910
She's an Instagrammer.

4157
02:29:04,970 --> 02:29:06,190
It gets posted on Instagram.

4158
02:29:06,690 --> 02:29:08,570
And so she just looks for the clips

4159
02:29:08,570 --> 02:29:11,270
and she'll play five to 15 minutes.

4160
02:29:11,370 --> 02:29:12,850
She never really gets the whole show.

4161
02:29:12,850 --> 02:29:16,090
And I think Megyn Kelly does a disservice

4162
02:29:16,090 --> 02:29:17,430
by doing that.

4163
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:19,650
It's clearly her team that is doing that

4164
02:29:19,650 --> 02:29:20,930
and her rants are perfect.

4165
02:29:20,970 --> 02:29:22,770
In fact, she should be trending on TikTok.

4166
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:24,170
It's perfect for TikTok.

4167
02:29:24,850 --> 02:29:26,190
It's very TikTok-y.

4168
02:29:26,350 --> 02:29:27,770
It's extremely TikTok-y.

4169
02:29:28,270 --> 02:29:30,250
In fact, they have some good TikTok material

4170
02:29:30,250 --> 02:29:31,650
coming up after the break.

4171
02:29:31,730 --> 02:29:32,870
We are very excited.

4172
02:29:33,090 --> 02:29:35,370
First, we will thank our executive and associate

4173
02:29:35,370 --> 02:29:37,530
executive producers as every single show.

4174
02:29:37,530 --> 02:29:40,290
Part of the feedback loop of Value for

4175
02:29:40,290 --> 02:29:42,790
Value is we thank everybody who supported us

4176
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:44,850
financially, $50 and above.

4177
02:29:45,410 --> 02:29:48,490
As a special Hollywood insertion, we like to

4178
02:29:48,490 --> 02:29:50,530
thank our executive and associate executive producers.

4179
02:29:50,690 --> 02:29:51,850
And we don't just call them that.

4180
02:29:52,170 --> 02:29:53,790
It's also a credit you get on the

4181
02:29:53,790 --> 02:29:55,630
show notes for each individual episode.

4182
02:29:56,070 --> 02:29:59,050
And these are very real credits, just like

4183
02:29:59,050 --> 02:29:59,390
Hollywood.

4184
02:29:59,530 --> 02:30:01,630
You can use them anywhere that Hollywood would

4185
02:30:01,630 --> 02:30:03,590
recognize them, including IMDb.

4186
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:06,590
$200 and above, you get an associate executive

4187
02:30:06,590 --> 02:30:08,410
producer credit, and we read your note.

4188
02:30:08,450 --> 02:30:10,730
$300 and above, you get an executive producer

4189
02:30:10,730 --> 02:30:11,990
credit, and we read your note.

4190
02:30:12,050 --> 02:30:14,610
Now, do you have the late breaking donation

4191
02:30:14,610 --> 02:30:15,750
you wanted to talk about first?

4192
02:30:15,930 --> 02:30:18,610
Well, the late breaking donation is $222, and

4193
02:30:18,610 --> 02:30:19,770
so when we get to that...

4194
02:30:19,770 --> 02:30:20,270
Oh, okay.

4195
02:30:20,930 --> 02:30:25,030
Then I will start with Zarin Denzel from

4196
02:30:25,030 --> 02:30:26,370
Port Townsend, Washington.

4197
02:30:27,130 --> 02:30:27,390
Huh.

4198
02:30:28,090 --> 02:30:29,930
Isn't that up where you guys have a

4199
02:30:29,930 --> 02:30:30,230
place?

4200
02:30:30,690 --> 02:30:32,750
Yeah, Port Townsend is the cool town.

4201
02:30:32,750 --> 02:30:35,230
It's a little antique town on the coast.

4202
02:30:36,330 --> 02:30:37,330
It's cool.

4203
02:30:37,570 --> 02:30:38,030
It's cool.

4204
02:30:38,310 --> 02:30:38,590
It is.

4205
02:30:38,730 --> 02:30:40,630
If you go to Port Townsend, it's like

4206
02:30:40,630 --> 02:30:41,450
a tourist trap.

4207
02:30:41,510 --> 02:30:43,230
It's really a pretty little town.

4208
02:30:43,470 --> 02:30:45,890
Well, you got good people there because Zarin

4209
02:30:45,890 --> 02:30:49,830
gives us a nice fat row of ducks,

4210
02:30:50,170 --> 02:30:52,090
22, 22, 22.

4211
02:30:53,610 --> 02:30:54,450
Thank you.

4212
02:30:54,910 --> 02:30:56,790
And says, thanks for keeping me sane through

4213
02:30:56,790 --> 02:30:57,850
these crazy times.

4214
02:30:57,850 --> 02:31:01,650
Can't really imagine living without my new agenda.

4215
02:31:02,210 --> 02:31:03,450
ITM from Zarin.

4216
02:31:04,150 --> 02:31:04,630
That's it.

4217
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:05,270
I love the note.

4218
02:31:05,450 --> 02:31:05,930
Short note.

4219
02:31:06,090 --> 02:31:06,490
Beautiful.

4220
02:31:06,690 --> 02:31:07,170
Thank you.

4221
02:31:07,390 --> 02:31:09,610
And clearly, Zarin got some value from the

4222
02:31:09,610 --> 02:31:11,890
show a lot and sent it back, and

4223
02:31:11,890 --> 02:31:12,710
we appreciate you.

4224
02:31:13,970 --> 02:31:14,410
Yeah.

4225
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:16,870
This is the kind of donations we should

4226
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:19,530
be getting from the intelligence community.

4227
02:31:20,030 --> 02:31:22,230
Well, we don't know what Zarin does for

4228
02:31:22,230 --> 02:31:23,790
a living, so we'll just keep that in

4229
02:31:23,790 --> 02:31:24,030
the middle.

4230
02:31:24,070 --> 02:31:25,730
Well, if he's in Port Townsend, it seems

4231
02:31:25,730 --> 02:31:27,530
unlikely, but you never know.

4232
02:31:27,850 --> 02:31:30,110
Ty Glander's up next, and he's also in

4233
02:31:30,110 --> 02:31:30,470
Washington.

4234
02:31:30,750 --> 02:31:31,550
He's in Kirkland.

4235
02:31:32,450 --> 02:31:34,230
And we got a nasty note from somebody

4236
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:35,230
that works at Costco.

4237
02:31:35,610 --> 02:31:36,070
Oh, no.

4238
02:31:36,770 --> 02:31:39,210
Saying, you know, Kirkland was only the headquarters

4239
02:31:39,210 --> 02:31:41,890
of Costco for a while, way back before

4240
02:31:41,890 --> 02:31:43,190
I was there, and I've been there for

4241
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:43,970
30 years.

4242
02:31:44,190 --> 02:31:45,970
Oh, I was unaware.

4243
02:31:46,350 --> 02:31:46,830
Issaquah.

4244
02:31:47,310 --> 02:31:49,690
Issaquah is where it's headquartered.

4245
02:31:49,930 --> 02:31:50,950
Issaquah, Washington.

4246
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:51,790
That's Costco.

4247
02:31:52,230 --> 02:31:54,070
So we got the note, and the guy

4248
02:31:54,070 --> 02:31:56,750
was very informative about all kinds of Costco

4249
02:31:56,750 --> 02:31:57,810
inside the information.

4250
02:31:58,110 --> 02:31:59,450
And did we learn about the hot dogs?

4251
02:31:59,530 --> 02:32:00,770
Are they skimping on the bags?

4252
02:32:00,890 --> 02:32:01,910
Are they skimping on the drinks?

4253
02:32:01,970 --> 02:32:03,330
Did we get any information on that?

4254
02:32:04,370 --> 02:32:08,090
He says that they have—the hot dog thing

4255
02:32:08,090 --> 02:32:10,070
is a problem with the company because they've

4256
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:12,150
had the—they used to be made, they used

4257
02:32:12,150 --> 02:32:13,570
to have a Polish and a hot dog,

4258
02:32:13,850 --> 02:32:15,930
and they used to be made by, I

4259
02:32:15,930 --> 02:32:18,130
think it's Nathan's and— Yes, it was the

4260
02:32:18,130 --> 02:32:18,990
Nathan's, yes.

4261
02:32:19,310 --> 02:32:22,050
And then there was a kosher— Kosher version.

4262
02:32:23,090 --> 02:32:24,410
Some—yeah, but it was done by a different

4263
02:32:24,410 --> 02:32:24,570
company.

4264
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:26,170
Made by Oy Nathan's.

4265
02:32:27,850 --> 02:32:28,730
Oy Nathan's.

4266
02:32:28,950 --> 02:32:29,990
No, there's some other company.

4267
02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:30,590
Hebrew.

4268
02:32:31,030 --> 02:32:32,250
Hebrew National— Oh, Hebrew Franks.

4269
02:32:32,290 --> 02:32:32,910
Yes, you're right.

4270
02:32:33,130 --> 02:32:34,770
So there was the two, and they said,

4271
02:32:34,830 --> 02:32:35,970
oh, they were going broke.

4272
02:32:36,190 --> 02:32:38,190
So they decided Costco— Really?

4273
02:32:38,190 --> 02:32:39,950
The Costco hot dogs are currently made by

4274
02:32:39,950 --> 02:32:40,290
Costco.

4275
02:32:40,590 --> 02:32:41,770
They were going broke?

4276
02:32:42,190 --> 02:32:44,150
They were losing money on the hot dogs.

4277
02:32:44,210 --> 02:32:44,790
Well, sure.

4278
02:32:45,150 --> 02:32:46,410
They're eating the dogs.

4279
02:32:46,910 --> 02:32:47,810
We're losing money.

4280
02:32:48,550 --> 02:32:49,910
They're eating the dogs.

4281
02:32:50,270 --> 02:32:52,890
So they—that would have been perfect for the

4282
02:32:52,890 --> 02:32:53,130
clip.

4283
02:32:53,430 --> 02:32:53,530
Yes.

4284
02:32:54,930 --> 02:32:57,250
So they're making their own hot dogs now,

4285
02:32:57,370 --> 02:32:59,670
and somebody bitched about the buns being smaller.

4286
02:32:59,770 --> 02:33:00,270
I didn't notice that.

4287
02:33:00,270 --> 02:33:00,750
That was me.

4288
02:33:00,890 --> 02:33:01,790
That somebody was me.

4289
02:33:01,910 --> 02:33:02,650
I noticed it.

4290
02:33:02,830 --> 02:33:05,850
And he said that they don't have the—after

4291
02:33:05,850 --> 02:33:09,070
COVID, they dropped the onions and the sauerkraut

4292
02:33:09,070 --> 02:33:09,810
because of COVID.

4293
02:33:09,990 --> 02:33:10,270
COVID.

4294
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:12,330
And so they stayed away from it because,

4295
02:33:12,470 --> 02:33:13,430
you know, it costs money.

4296
02:33:13,650 --> 02:33:13,890
Yeah.

4297
02:33:14,910 --> 02:33:17,430
So they're— They took advantage of the situation.

4298
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:19,690
They took advantage of the situation.

4299
02:33:19,770 --> 02:33:21,910
But this guy's an insider at Costco, so

4300
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:23,850
if we have Costco questions, we can find

4301
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:24,730
out the answers.

4302
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:27,110
When is the cheap wine coming back?

4303
02:33:27,810 --> 02:33:28,610
Give us a heads up.

4304
02:33:29,390 --> 02:33:33,110
He said the reason for the chicken change,

4305
02:33:33,930 --> 02:33:35,970
because they used to be— Another show title.

4306
02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:36,910
Chicken change.

4307
02:33:37,130 --> 02:33:37,310
OK.

4308
02:33:37,490 --> 02:33:40,110
Chicken is in a bag now, which is

4309
02:33:40,110 --> 02:33:43,450
regretful, and everyone at the company knows it,

4310
02:33:43,530 --> 02:33:43,630
too.

4311
02:33:43,630 --> 02:33:45,230
It's all for environmental reasons.

4312
02:33:45,650 --> 02:33:47,350
Of course, Washingtonians.

4313
02:33:48,490 --> 02:33:49,050
Washingtonians.

4314
02:33:49,110 --> 02:33:49,650
There you go.

4315
02:33:49,730 --> 02:33:50,230
That's it.

4316
02:33:51,030 --> 02:33:52,890
Anyway, so we got Ty Glander here, and

4317
02:33:52,890 --> 02:33:55,530
he's in Kirkland, Washington, the former home of

4318
02:33:55,530 --> 02:33:55,970
Costco.

4319
02:33:56,850 --> 02:33:59,470
631.61, and he says to correct the

4320
02:33:59,470 --> 02:34:00,990
record and get knighted.

4321
02:34:01,170 --> 02:34:01,270
OK.

4322
02:34:01,370 --> 02:34:03,950
Sir Libra's birthday gift was to drive traffic

4323
02:34:03,950 --> 02:34:06,630
to the best metal show in the value

4324
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:07,850
-for-value universe.

4325
02:34:08,350 --> 02:34:14,150
That's sirlibra.com slash lightning dash thrashes.

4326
02:34:14,670 --> 02:34:15,070
Yes.

4327
02:34:15,070 --> 02:34:16,650
I'll put a link in there.

4328
02:34:16,750 --> 02:34:17,470
I think we can.

4329
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:20,510
I would like to be knighted as sir

4330
02:34:20,510 --> 02:34:22,010
imperfect.

4331
02:34:23,250 --> 02:34:24,170
Imp perfect.

4332
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:26,530
Good.

4333
02:34:27,090 --> 02:34:27,770
All right.

4334
02:34:27,870 --> 02:34:28,310
You got it.

4335
02:34:28,350 --> 02:34:29,210
We'll see you in a bit, Ty.

4336
02:34:30,590 --> 02:34:31,510
Skylar Firestone.

4337
02:34:31,770 --> 02:34:33,110
Now, there's a DJ name.

4338
02:34:33,230 --> 02:34:34,010
Have you ever heard one?

4339
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:35,210
Hello, everybody.

4340
02:34:35,390 --> 02:34:38,070
Skylar Firestone with you, rocking and rolling from

4341
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:39,250
Liberty Hill, Texas.

4342
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:41,010
34569.

4343
02:34:41,630 --> 02:34:42,670
ITM, great show.

4344
02:34:42,670 --> 02:34:45,910
Your deconstruction is top keck and skibbity-riz,

4345
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:46,910
as the kids would say.

4346
02:34:47,510 --> 02:34:48,810
Hey, you see how that rolled off my

4347
02:34:48,810 --> 02:34:49,050
tongue?

4348
02:34:50,350 --> 02:34:51,230
Yeah, unfortunately.

4349
02:34:51,890 --> 02:34:53,950
Shout out to my smoking hot wife, Michelle.

4350
02:34:54,190 --> 02:34:55,190
We'll need a de-douching.

4351
02:34:56,930 --> 02:34:58,630
You've been de-douched.

4352
02:34:58,830 --> 02:35:01,330
Also need a that's true and yak karma

4353
02:35:01,330 --> 02:35:03,830
and the longest Al Sharpton you got.

4354
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:05,170
Well, I don't know about that.

4355
02:35:05,170 --> 02:35:05,970
Why don't we play that?

4356
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:07,790
Let's play that.

4357
02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:10,310
I like that climate change Al Sharpton.

4358
02:35:10,410 --> 02:35:11,650
We'll play that one again for you.

4359
02:35:11,650 --> 02:35:13,950
We haven't heard it enough, so it's kind

4360
02:35:13,950 --> 02:35:14,290
of funny.

4361
02:35:14,750 --> 02:35:16,210
Go team, go sports.

4362
02:35:16,250 --> 02:35:16,690
That's true.

4363
02:35:17,370 --> 02:35:20,530
Firefighters have been making progress in containing the

4364
02:35:20,530 --> 02:35:24,130
raging Palisades and Eden fires.

4365
02:35:24,490 --> 02:35:27,390
The devastation now ranks among the worst in

4366
02:35:27,390 --> 02:35:28,510
California history.

4367
02:35:29,170 --> 02:35:37,130
Meanwhile, the World Meteorological Foundation said Friday that

4368
02:35:37,130 --> 02:35:41,650
2024 was the hottest year on record, 1

4369
02:35:41,650 --> 02:35:47,110
.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, bringing

4370
02:35:47,110 --> 02:35:51,230
the planet dangerously close to breaking the pledge

4371
02:35:51,230 --> 02:35:57,030
made by global leaders under the 2015 Paris

4372
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:58,270
Climate Agreement.

4373
02:35:58,850 --> 02:36:01,210
You've got karma.

4374
02:36:03,370 --> 02:36:04,690
The gift that keeps on giving.

4375
02:36:05,410 --> 02:36:08,690
Yeah, MSNBC's headliner.

4376
02:36:08,690 --> 02:36:11,070
Sir Nick and Tucker Georgia comes in with

4377
02:36:11,070 --> 02:36:12,090
333 33.

4378
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:14,250
I'll be as brief as I can.

4379
02:36:14,350 --> 02:36:17,630
He writes as all we have as we

4380
02:36:17,630 --> 02:36:19,150
all have lives to live.

4381
02:36:19,390 --> 02:36:21,810
I donate for many reasons, mostly because the

4382
02:36:21,810 --> 02:36:26,090
show is more than often correct or on

4383
02:36:26,090 --> 02:36:26,850
the right track.

4384
02:36:27,330 --> 02:36:29,030
Adam once was pro XR.

4385
02:36:29,050 --> 02:36:30,650
I was never pro XRP.

4386
02:36:30,770 --> 02:36:31,510
That's not true.

4387
02:36:32,090 --> 02:36:33,150
I don't even know what that means.

4388
02:36:33,930 --> 02:36:36,690
It's a crypto crypto coin.

4389
02:36:37,310 --> 02:36:39,370
He seems now to be lukewarm.

4390
02:36:39,550 --> 02:36:41,710
I'm here waving the flag again.

4391
02:36:41,870 --> 02:36:43,890
Bitcoin is pathetically slow.

4392
02:36:44,350 --> 02:36:46,210
Ethereum was given a free pass by the

4393
02:36:46,210 --> 02:36:48,610
SEC, even though the transactions are very expensive.

4394
02:36:48,810 --> 02:36:51,550
XRP was created to interface with the swift

4395
02:36:51,550 --> 02:36:53,630
banking system at almost zero cost.

4396
02:36:53,770 --> 02:36:54,850
Hindsight is 2020.

4397
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:58,310
XRP has tripled in the last six months

4398
02:36:58,310 --> 02:37:00,550
because Gary Gensler lost his lawsuit.

4399
02:37:00,950 --> 02:37:03,610
It hasn't happened since the inbred insider losers

4400
02:37:03,610 --> 02:37:05,870
at the SEC lost their two year long

4401
02:37:05,870 --> 02:37:08,090
battle to try and squash RIPPLE.

4402
02:37:09,870 --> 02:37:12,450
Then in all caps, if the federal government

4403
02:37:12,450 --> 02:37:15,350
can't stop it, why aren't you buying it?

4404
02:37:15,470 --> 02:37:18,350
It's the only cryptocurrency with a green light.

4405
02:37:20,270 --> 02:37:20,930
No jingles.

4406
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:22,770
Give me Carmen, the rest of the slaves

4407
02:37:22,770 --> 02:37:25,930
or with the rest of the slaves.

4408
02:37:25,990 --> 02:37:28,030
Sir Nick, Knight of Abundance.

4409
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:29,490
He gave us $333.

4410
02:37:29,790 --> 02:37:30,590
He must be doing well.

4411
02:37:30,650 --> 02:37:31,930
I'm all for it.

4412
02:37:32,750 --> 02:37:35,890
RIPPLE is down 5% today, but OK,

4413
02:37:36,110 --> 02:37:36,790
good to go.

4414
02:37:37,310 --> 02:37:38,630
You've got karma.

4415
02:37:39,130 --> 02:37:40,310
I always thought it was a wine.

4416
02:37:40,890 --> 02:37:41,150
What?

4417
02:37:42,510 --> 02:37:43,930
I thought it was a wine.

4418
02:37:46,050 --> 02:37:49,770
OK, Sir Kevin Dills, Huntersville, North Carolina, $333

4419
02:37:49,770 --> 02:37:51,250
.33. We haven't heard from him for a

4420
02:37:51,250 --> 02:37:51,530
while.

4421
02:37:51,610 --> 02:37:53,410
No, well, he has complaints.

4422
02:37:54,630 --> 02:37:56,790
Adam, you're chomping your teeth.

4423
02:37:57,610 --> 02:37:57,870
Huh?

4424
02:38:00,370 --> 02:38:02,650
Please send me a time code if I'm

4425
02:38:02,650 --> 02:38:04,210
I haven't.

4426
02:38:04,330 --> 02:38:06,670
No, I'm the one that catches this stuff.

4427
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:09,170
Yeah, I mean, I can't even chomp, but

4428
02:38:09,170 --> 02:38:11,170
sometimes I notice this.

4429
02:38:12,330 --> 02:38:14,250
But I don't think I've heard that on

4430
02:38:14,250 --> 02:38:15,090
the show.

4431
02:38:15,130 --> 02:38:17,130
Well, it says I'm listening on speakers.

4432
02:38:17,510 --> 02:38:19,870
Yeah, it's possible I'm missing the subtlety of

4433
02:38:19,870 --> 02:38:21,090
the chomping of the teeth.

4434
02:38:21,110 --> 02:38:23,010
He says it breaks through the noise gate.

4435
02:38:23,090 --> 02:38:23,910
It's distracting.

4436
02:38:24,110 --> 02:38:24,850
Please stop.

4437
02:38:25,150 --> 02:38:26,930
Also, please use your cough button.

4438
02:38:26,930 --> 02:38:28,450
That's John, by the way.

4439
02:38:28,870 --> 02:38:30,130
No, no, you don't.

4440
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:31,550
You cough a lot on the show and

4441
02:38:31,550 --> 02:38:31,870
you don't.

4442
02:38:31,990 --> 02:38:33,590
And you have a cough button and I

4443
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:34,410
don't.

4444
02:38:34,830 --> 02:38:35,950
Well, get a cough button.

4445
02:38:36,350 --> 02:38:37,790
No, I just use the mute.

4446
02:38:37,870 --> 02:38:39,350
You blow your nose.

4447
02:38:39,630 --> 02:38:40,430
You're sneezing.

4448
02:38:40,730 --> 02:38:42,330
Well, sometimes you blow the nose for effect.

4449
02:38:42,530 --> 02:38:45,050
I mean, it's a good, you're yacking away

4450
02:38:45,050 --> 02:38:46,550
on something and a nose blow right in

4451
02:38:46,550 --> 02:38:47,390
the middle of it's perfect.

4452
02:38:47,610 --> 02:38:48,370
For effects.

4453
02:38:48,510 --> 02:38:51,950
Well, I use my cough button a lot

4454
02:38:51,950 --> 02:38:52,650
when I cough.

4455
02:38:52,990 --> 02:38:55,010
Believe me, the times that I don't use

4456
02:38:55,010 --> 02:38:55,750
it is rare.

4457
02:38:55,750 --> 02:38:56,950
But I shall pay attention.

4458
02:38:57,070 --> 02:38:59,110
And please send me a time code for

4459
02:38:59,110 --> 02:39:01,230
the so-called teeth chomping.

4460
02:39:02,190 --> 02:39:03,550
I mean, they are new.

4461
02:39:03,710 --> 02:39:04,450
So who knows?

4462
02:39:04,830 --> 02:39:05,950
You're hurting my ear balls.

4463
02:39:06,110 --> 02:39:07,370
You're hurting the show.

4464
02:39:09,210 --> 02:39:11,510
That got my attention when you said that.

4465
02:39:11,610 --> 02:39:13,130
Sir Kevin Dills, Duke of North Carolina.

4466
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:13,730
Thank you, brother.

4467
02:39:13,810 --> 02:39:14,550
I will pay attention.

4468
02:39:14,690 --> 02:39:15,470
Send me a time code.

4469
02:39:18,310 --> 02:39:22,230
Sir Jim James in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 33333.

4470
02:39:23,350 --> 02:39:24,930
He writes switcheroo.

4471
02:39:24,930 --> 02:39:26,770
This donation is to the marriage of Gavin

4472
02:39:26,770 --> 02:39:31,130
and Katelyn McMahon.

4473
02:39:32,410 --> 02:39:34,690
This isn't the vinyl you asked for, but

4474
02:39:34,690 --> 02:39:38,030
it's an executive producership to your marriage instead.

4475
02:39:38,890 --> 02:39:39,530
Vinyl.

4476
02:39:39,650 --> 02:39:40,530
I wonder what that means.

4477
02:39:41,330 --> 02:39:44,450
May God bless your union and may the

4478
02:39:44,450 --> 02:39:47,830
love you have for each other today persevere

4479
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:49,070
until the end.

4480
02:39:50,770 --> 02:39:54,090
Just some newlywed karma for the new couple.

4481
02:39:54,090 --> 02:39:55,550
Goat karma works for me.

4482
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:56,150
Thanks.

4483
02:39:57,150 --> 02:40:00,110
You've got karma.

4484
02:40:01,530 --> 02:40:04,830
We go to Pahrump, Pahrump, Nevada.

4485
02:40:05,670 --> 02:40:06,090
Pahrump.

4486
02:40:06,210 --> 02:40:08,190
Dame Sand Cat is in Pahrump and says

4487
02:40:08,190 --> 02:40:12,670
with her $333.33 donation, any Rev Al,

4488
02:40:12,830 --> 02:40:13,170
please.

4489
02:40:13,490 --> 02:40:14,590
I'm glad you asked.

4490
02:40:14,830 --> 02:40:17,250
Los Angeles County has declared a public health

4491
02:40:17,250 --> 02:40:19,530
emergency due to the air quality.

4492
02:40:20,050 --> 02:40:20,850
Officials won.

4493
02:40:20,930 --> 02:40:25,570
The biggest threats are smoke and particular matters,

4494
02:40:25,790 --> 02:40:29,530
which they say may cause long term health

4495
02:40:29,530 --> 02:40:30,030
effects.

4496
02:40:30,130 --> 02:40:30,990
Particular matters.

4497
02:40:31,790 --> 02:40:32,670
Thank you, Rev Al.

4498
02:40:34,090 --> 02:40:35,930
All right, so now we're at the associate

4499
02:40:35,930 --> 02:40:38,110
executive producer level, and so I have to

4500
02:40:38,110 --> 02:40:39,010
bring in the bonus.

4501
02:40:39,470 --> 02:40:40,330
Bonus donation.

4502
02:40:40,470 --> 02:40:42,510
Okay, this must be something special.

4503
02:40:42,750 --> 02:40:43,170
Back and forth.

4504
02:40:43,450 --> 02:40:44,650
Back and well, it came in.

4505
02:40:44,910 --> 02:40:45,230
What is the rule?

4506
02:40:45,530 --> 02:40:46,870
Tell people the rule first.

4507
02:40:47,090 --> 02:40:48,530
The rule is the rule.

4508
02:40:48,530 --> 02:40:51,430
The rule is you got to get your

4509
02:40:51,430 --> 02:40:56,750
donation in by midnight Pacific time, not while

4510
02:40:56,750 --> 02:40:58,030
the show is being produced.

4511
02:40:58,770 --> 02:41:00,610
So this came in at seven in the

4512
02:41:00,610 --> 02:41:02,630
morning because somebody rolled out of bed and

4513
02:41:02,630 --> 02:41:05,590
said, Yeah, I haven't donated for a while.

4514
02:41:06,770 --> 02:41:08,130
And so I think I'll donate.

4515
02:41:08,470 --> 02:41:09,750
And so we went back and forth.

4516
02:41:09,870 --> 02:41:11,150
I said, Yeah, it's too late.

4517
02:41:12,250 --> 02:41:13,010
That's money.

4518
02:41:13,010 --> 02:41:15,670
You want your rule follower.

4519
02:41:17,050 --> 02:41:18,570
Your rule follower.

4520
02:41:19,750 --> 02:41:21,690
So this is Dana Brunetti.

4521
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:23,730
Oh, really?

4522
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:25,470
Oh, you're sucking up to Hollywood.

4523
02:41:25,470 --> 02:41:26,730
222 Road Ducks.

4524
02:41:26,730 --> 02:41:27,850
Oh, please.

4525
02:41:28,450 --> 02:41:29,470
Road Ducks 220.

4526
02:41:29,630 --> 02:41:30,970
Yeah, I knew you'd be offended.

4527
02:41:30,970 --> 02:41:33,710
He gets special treatment because he's Hollywood.

4528
02:41:35,490 --> 02:41:37,930
I gave him grief for this because it's

4529
02:41:37,930 --> 02:41:40,070
like, you know, you're Holly and he's like

4530
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:42,450
you he's he's anal.

4531
02:41:42,450 --> 02:41:43,930
He's like a neat freak.

4532
02:41:44,030 --> 02:41:45,970
And he's a guy would go, he's in

4533
02:41:45,970 --> 02:41:46,310
rules.

4534
02:41:46,470 --> 02:41:46,950
He rules.

4535
02:41:47,470 --> 02:41:48,070
He goes on.

4536
02:41:48,130 --> 02:41:49,850
But anyway, so he has this note, which

4537
02:41:49,850 --> 02:41:51,090
I thought would be worth reading.

4538
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:52,310
If I can just say for those who

4539
02:41:52,310 --> 02:41:55,130
are new to the show, Dana Brunetti, producer

4540
02:41:55,130 --> 02:41:57,910
of such fine entertainment as Fifty Shades of

4541
02:41:57,910 --> 02:42:00,950
Grey, Fifty Shades of Greyer and more greyer

4542
02:42:00,950 --> 02:42:05,070
than Fifty Shades, House of Cards, Gran Turismo

4543
02:42:05,070 --> 02:42:08,170
and many, many more fine entertainment products.

4544
02:42:08,730 --> 02:42:10,490
So he's an entertainment product guy.

4545
02:42:11,530 --> 02:42:12,590
Who's retired.

4546
02:42:13,270 --> 02:42:13,910
Uh-huh.

4547
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:15,890
That's what I say.

4548
02:42:17,030 --> 02:42:17,590
Sure.

4549
02:42:19,650 --> 02:42:20,410
He's serious.

4550
02:42:20,770 --> 02:42:21,830
So he writes a note.

4551
02:42:21,890 --> 02:42:23,270
He wanted this note read, I think, more

4552
02:42:23,270 --> 02:42:23,670
than anything.

4553
02:42:24,430 --> 02:42:24,950
Here's the note.

4554
02:42:25,230 --> 02:42:27,810
We need to discuss tip of the day.

4555
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:30,050
Oh, and he's making waves.

4556
02:42:30,190 --> 02:42:30,490
OK.

4557
02:42:30,830 --> 02:42:31,330
All right.

4558
02:42:32,290 --> 02:42:35,110
It's gone from Timu to how to look

4559
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:36,250
people up online.

4560
02:42:36,430 --> 02:42:38,190
Very dangerous and addictive.

4561
02:42:38,810 --> 02:42:41,470
We don't want it ending up banned in

4562
02:42:41,470 --> 02:42:43,090
the US like Tick Tock.

4563
02:42:43,530 --> 02:42:45,030
Get it together, JC.

4564
02:42:48,090 --> 02:42:51,150
Then he says this donation is a switcheroo

4565
02:42:51,150 --> 02:42:56,390
and the secretary slash the secretary slash associate

4566
02:42:56,390 --> 02:42:57,630
producer credit.

4567
02:42:59,650 --> 02:43:01,390
He can't stand that.

4568
02:43:01,570 --> 02:43:04,310
Yeah, he he's got a beef about this,

4569
02:43:04,510 --> 02:43:07,630
about the credit itself as a yeah.

4570
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:09,630
Hey, give us ten dollars and the richest

4571
02:43:09,630 --> 02:43:12,710
man, my best buddy and Adam's favorite agent

4572
02:43:12,710 --> 02:43:14,690
provocateur Elon Musk.

4573
02:43:15,190 --> 02:43:16,630
Oh, brother.

4574
02:43:17,890 --> 02:43:20,570
Signed the governor of El Dorado.

4575
02:43:21,310 --> 02:43:23,910
Well, you know, perhaps the governor should look

4576
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:26,510
at Elon Musk being outed as a phony

4577
02:43:26,510 --> 02:43:29,590
expert gamer, which is all the rage now.

4578
02:43:29,650 --> 02:43:30,810
Everyone's talking about it.

4579
02:43:31,230 --> 02:43:32,450
So I don't know anything about this.

4580
02:43:32,830 --> 02:43:34,310
Well, he I think it was on Rogan.

4581
02:43:34,370 --> 02:43:36,410
And he said and he was showing this

4582
02:43:36,410 --> 02:43:38,590
video of how good he was at gaming.

4583
02:43:38,690 --> 02:43:40,830
Turns out he has some Chinese guy doing

4584
02:43:40,830 --> 02:43:41,570
it for him.

4585
02:43:41,730 --> 02:43:45,530
And he's a Chinese guy doing his tweets,

4586
02:43:45,770 --> 02:43:45,870
too.

4587
02:43:45,950 --> 02:43:46,550
Come on.

4588
02:43:46,730 --> 02:43:47,610
Well, for sure.

4589
02:43:47,610 --> 02:43:48,530
He's got writers.

4590
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:51,630
I mean, does he even do anything?

4591
02:43:51,970 --> 02:43:53,710
He does anything.

4592
02:43:56,410 --> 02:43:57,370
All right.

4593
02:43:57,770 --> 02:44:00,610
Well, we will alert Elon of this this

4594
02:44:00,610 --> 02:44:01,470
switcheroo.

4595
02:44:01,790 --> 02:44:03,890
So do I just put Elon Musk in

4596
02:44:03,890 --> 02:44:04,350
the credits?

4597
02:44:04,630 --> 02:44:06,470
Yeah, I put Elon Musk in the credits.

4598
02:44:06,490 --> 02:44:08,630
What was it was two two two was

4599
02:44:08,630 --> 02:44:09,270
what it was.

4600
02:44:09,410 --> 02:44:10,410
Two two two two two.

4601
02:44:10,670 --> 02:44:12,890
It was a row of ducks, a small

4602
02:44:12,890 --> 02:44:13,730
row of ducks.

4603
02:44:14,090 --> 02:44:14,630
Elon Musk.

4604
02:44:14,770 --> 02:44:16,970
The associate producer length row of ducks.

4605
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:21,410
Elon Musk is an Elon Musk, coincidentally from

4606
02:44:21,410 --> 02:44:22,150
Austin, Texas.

4607
02:44:23,210 --> 02:44:23,430
What?

4608
02:44:23,430 --> 02:44:24,630
He's in Austin, Texas.

4609
02:44:24,910 --> 02:44:26,070
Oh, that's where he is.

4610
02:44:26,190 --> 02:44:28,150
Oh, he lives in Austin.

4611
02:44:28,450 --> 02:44:29,690
I thought he moved to the coast so

4612
02:44:29,690 --> 02:44:30,790
he'd be near his lunch.

4613
02:44:31,010 --> 02:44:32,430
And we're just going to call it Austin.

4614
02:44:32,670 --> 02:44:33,690
We're just calling it Austin.

4615
02:44:33,810 --> 02:44:34,190
All right.

4616
02:44:34,250 --> 02:44:34,810
Very good.

4617
02:44:35,450 --> 02:44:38,010
Then I'll do Kurt, who also is in

4618
02:44:38,010 --> 02:44:38,350
Austin.

4619
02:44:38,990 --> 02:44:41,350
Now, Kurt should have gone first because he

4620
02:44:41,350 --> 02:44:43,690
has 263.22. But oh, no.

4621
02:44:43,970 --> 02:44:46,510
Breaks on for Dana Brunetti, the big Hollywood

4622
02:44:46,510 --> 02:44:47,030
star.

4623
02:44:48,690 --> 02:44:50,210
Kurt K of Austin, Texas.

4624
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:53,970
My last name is produced, pronounced, produced is

4625
02:44:53,970 --> 02:44:57,090
Kiefer, which you probably just mispronounced again.

4626
02:44:57,170 --> 02:44:57,950
No, I can read ahead.

4627
02:44:58,270 --> 02:45:00,210
It's pronounced Kiefer, not Keefer.

4628
02:45:01,310 --> 02:45:02,290
You know, all caps here.

4629
02:45:02,450 --> 02:45:03,050
Moving right along.

4630
02:45:03,570 --> 02:45:06,610
I decided to replace my very old WBEZ

4631
02:45:06,610 --> 02:45:09,210
NPR coffee mug from my previous life in

4632
02:45:09,210 --> 02:45:12,070
Chicago with a spiffy new no agenda 15

4633
02:45:12,070 --> 02:45:14,230
ounce mug from no agenda shop dot com.

4634
02:45:14,330 --> 02:45:14,690
Why?

4635
02:45:15,030 --> 02:45:16,210
Because NPR sucks.

4636
02:45:16,810 --> 02:45:19,210
I can't believe I contributed to the Wackadoodles

4637
02:45:19,210 --> 02:45:20,910
over at America's Treasure.

4638
02:45:21,490 --> 02:45:22,470
That's our national treasure.

4639
02:45:22,830 --> 02:45:23,710
For so many years.

4640
02:45:23,850 --> 02:45:25,570
All my money now goes to you guys.

4641
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:26,670
John, it's paying off.

4642
02:45:26,850 --> 02:45:27,510
It's paying off.

4643
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:29,970
Once again, a big thanks to my Austin

4644
02:45:29,970 --> 02:45:33,190
native, free thinking, brilliant, drop dead gorgeous wife,

4645
02:45:33,290 --> 02:45:35,390
Beth, for turning me on to no agenda.

4646
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:38,130
Continue your jobs, karma, for my dear sister,

4647
02:45:38,230 --> 02:45:38,470
Carrie.

4648
02:45:38,810 --> 02:45:41,030
Love you guys, the producers and boobs.

4649
02:45:43,050 --> 02:45:44,170
All the best.

4650
02:45:44,550 --> 02:45:44,790
Kurt.

4651
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:45,710
Thank you, Kurt.

4652
02:45:45,710 --> 02:45:49,230
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

4653
02:45:49,310 --> 02:45:50,910
Let's vote for jobs.

4654
02:45:53,390 --> 02:45:55,910
I think that makes us assume that Beth

4655
02:45:55,910 --> 02:45:56,990
has nice boobs.

4656
02:45:57,810 --> 02:45:58,990
Yeah, it sounds like it.

4657
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:59,810
Yeah.

4658
02:45:59,870 --> 02:46:01,050
Eli, the coffee guy's up.

4659
02:46:01,110 --> 02:46:02,270
He's in Bensonville, Illinois.

4660
02:46:02,410 --> 02:46:03,810
Two hundred one dollars and 19 cents.

4661
02:46:03,870 --> 02:46:06,770
And he says, well, that was an interesting

4662
02:46:06,770 --> 02:46:07,810
four years.

4663
02:46:08,110 --> 02:46:10,170
I guess we'll have to wait and see

4664
02:46:10,170 --> 02:46:12,170
what the next four years will bring.

4665
02:46:12,690 --> 02:46:15,090
Uh, then he goes on to say, I

4666
02:46:15,090 --> 02:46:20,070
do believe centuries from now, historians will say

4667
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:23,550
the mid 2020s was the golden era for

4668
02:46:23,550 --> 02:46:25,510
the best podcast in the universe.

4669
02:46:26,770 --> 02:46:28,090
I'd say probably.

4670
02:46:28,210 --> 02:46:29,550
Maybe, maybe, maybe.

4671
02:46:29,870 --> 02:46:31,270
What a time to be alive.

4672
02:46:31,430 --> 02:46:33,150
I'm just glad to be along for the

4673
02:46:33,150 --> 02:46:33,610
ride.

4674
02:46:33,750 --> 02:46:36,190
Caffeinated and motivated jingles.

4675
02:46:37,230 --> 02:46:39,650
I love caffeinated, motivated.

4676
02:46:39,650 --> 02:46:43,090
We've got an attitude for gratitude.

4677
02:46:43,470 --> 02:46:44,030
Yeah, baby.

4678
02:46:47,070 --> 02:46:47,430
Jingles.

4679
02:46:47,970 --> 02:46:49,650
Trump jobs and four more years.

4680
02:46:49,810 --> 02:46:52,150
And for producers who are excited for what

4681
02:46:52,150 --> 02:46:56,730
this future holds, visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use

4682
02:46:56,730 --> 02:46:59,190
the code ITM20 and you'll have some great

4683
02:46:59,190 --> 02:47:01,370
tasting coffee in your future.

4684
02:47:01,790 --> 02:47:02,850
Stay caffeinated.

4685
02:47:03,210 --> 02:47:04,690
Eli, the coffee guy.

4686
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:06,930
Four more years.

4687
02:47:07,070 --> 02:47:09,690
Jobs, jobs, jobs.

4688
02:47:10,110 --> 02:47:10,950
Oh, that fits.

4689
02:47:10,950 --> 02:47:12,750
You've got karma.

4690
02:47:13,150 --> 02:47:14,550
That actually sounds really good.

4691
02:47:14,670 --> 02:47:15,810
I'd never considered that.

4692
02:47:16,450 --> 02:47:17,210
Those two together.

4693
02:47:17,490 --> 02:47:19,290
Four more years.

4694
02:47:19,410 --> 02:47:19,830
Jobs.

4695
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:20,470
Oh, wait.

4696
02:47:20,850 --> 02:47:22,910
Four more years.

4697
02:47:23,190 --> 02:47:25,550
Jobs, jobs, jobs.

4698
02:47:25,770 --> 02:47:26,690
That's a great fit.

4699
02:47:27,210 --> 02:47:27,770
That's not bad.

4700
02:47:27,970 --> 02:47:28,610
That's a good fit.

4701
02:47:28,690 --> 02:47:29,170
Thanks, Eli.

4702
02:47:30,150 --> 02:47:35,510
And curiously, also requesting Trump jobs, karma is

4703
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:38,230
Linda Lou Patkin from Lakewood, Colorado with $200.

4704
02:47:38,710 --> 02:47:40,030
Who doesn't know her?

4705
02:47:41,290 --> 02:47:42,630
Jobs, karma, Trump version.

4706
02:47:43,170 --> 02:47:45,170
And for a resume that gets results, visit

4707
02:47:45,170 --> 02:47:47,970
imagemakersinc.com, your go-to for all your

4708
02:47:47,970 --> 02:47:50,130
executive resume and job search needs.

4709
02:47:50,530 --> 02:47:52,330
That's imagemakersinc with a K.

4710
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:55,270
And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs

4711
02:47:55,270 --> 02:47:56,510
and writer of resumes.

4712
02:47:57,650 --> 02:47:59,550
Jobs, jobs, jobs.

4713
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:02,760
You've got karma.

4714
02:48:03,180 --> 02:48:03,460
Nice.

4715
02:48:04,760 --> 02:48:07,140
Wrapping things up is Darren Kirby in Portland,

4716
02:48:07,420 --> 02:48:07,900
Oregon.

4717
02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:09,700
Portland, huh?

4718
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:11,560
Hello, John and Adam.

4719
02:48:11,900 --> 02:48:12,040
Hello.

4720
02:48:12,220 --> 02:48:16,620
Thanks from Darren Kirby, a dimlins lamplighter and

4721
02:48:16,620 --> 02:48:18,160
keeper of the scrolls.

4722
02:48:19,100 --> 02:48:19,840
First-time donor.

4723
02:48:20,200 --> 02:48:22,420
I invite No Agenda listeners everywhere to advertise

4724
02:48:22,420 --> 02:48:27,160
a business card affordably on scrolls.com.

4725
02:48:27,400 --> 02:48:29,780
That's S-C-R-O-L-Z.

4726
02:48:30,620 --> 02:48:33,660
That's with one L followed by a Z.

4727
02:48:35,020 --> 02:48:35,920
Yeah, I figured that.

4728
02:48:36,480 --> 02:48:39,360
If on the throne for relief from boredom

4729
02:48:39,360 --> 02:48:41,520
and grief, you will be amused to find

4730
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:45,800
fun, fast, and entertaining tidbits on scrolls.com.

4731
02:48:46,520 --> 02:48:48,120
Please at least some karma.

4732
02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:52,400
And maybe chimes or bells, respectfully, Darren Kirby

4733
02:48:52,400 --> 02:48:53,220
in Portland.

4734
02:48:55,640 --> 02:48:59,580
Donate, donate, donate.

4735
02:49:02,700 --> 02:49:04,580
You've got karma.

4736
02:49:06,840 --> 02:49:08,180
Everybody loves that chime.

4737
02:49:08,340 --> 02:49:09,400
Do you still have that thing?

4738
02:49:09,860 --> 02:49:10,660
You have it laying around?

4739
02:49:12,040 --> 02:49:13,440
What was that thing called?

4740
02:49:14,220 --> 02:49:15,580
We both had one of those.

4741
02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:16,700
It was very annoying.

4742
02:49:16,920 --> 02:49:19,040
It made dogs bark, babies cry.

4743
02:49:19,620 --> 02:49:19,720
You know?

4744
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:20,560
Oh, yeah, I do.

4745
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:21,240
It's right here.

4746
02:49:22,260 --> 02:49:22,640
You do.

4747
02:49:22,780 --> 02:49:24,540
You are the true archivist.

4748
02:49:24,620 --> 02:49:26,500
You actually should be holding on to the

4749
02:49:26,500 --> 02:49:27,260
28th Amendment.

4750
02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:29,560
No, no, no, no.

4751
02:49:29,620 --> 02:49:31,440
It's the piece of metal you strike.

4752
02:49:31,600 --> 02:49:32,400
No, that's not it.

4753
02:49:32,680 --> 02:49:33,220
That's not it.

4754
02:49:33,220 --> 02:49:33,900
That's the chime.

4755
02:49:33,900 --> 02:49:35,060
So you're talking about...

4756
02:49:35,700 --> 02:49:36,640
The Zenergy chime.

4757
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:37,440
The Zenergy chime.

4758
02:49:37,440 --> 02:49:38,560
You're talking about this.

4759
02:49:40,060 --> 02:49:41,640
Yeah, there it is.

4760
02:49:44,040 --> 02:49:45,400
Baby, there you go.

4761
02:49:45,500 --> 02:49:47,720
Thank you all very much, executive and associate

4762
02:49:47,720 --> 02:49:48,540
executive producers.

4763
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:50,600
Again, these credits are completely real.

4764
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:52,020
You can use them anywhere.

4765
02:49:52,300 --> 02:49:53,660
Show business people hang out.

4766
02:49:53,800 --> 02:49:54,880
Go to Danny Brunetti.

4767
02:49:54,980 --> 02:49:56,760
Go up to his ranch and say, excuse

4768
02:49:56,760 --> 02:49:58,160
me, I'm executive producer.

4769
02:49:58,300 --> 02:50:01,540
You're I'm lowly secretary associate executive producer.

4770
02:50:01,740 --> 02:50:03,040
Yeah, it's funny I didn't mention it.

4771
02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:04,040
I shouldn't mention.

4772
02:50:04,100 --> 02:50:04,860
I'll tell you where he lives.

4773
02:50:04,940 --> 02:50:06,560
He's in bum fuck shingles.

4774
02:50:07,720 --> 02:50:09,340
And he's the governor, apparently.

4775
02:50:11,860 --> 02:50:14,240
We'll be thanking everybody $50 and above in

4776
02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:14,900
a few minutes.

4777
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:16,400
Remember, we do have John's tip of the

4778
02:50:16,400 --> 02:50:18,140
day coming up, created by Danny Brunetti.

4779
02:50:18,460 --> 02:50:19,620
And we have I think we have some

4780
02:50:19,620 --> 02:50:20,400
talk clips coming.

4781
02:50:20,560 --> 02:50:22,640
So once again, thank you all for supporting

4782
02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:24,280
us with your time, your talent and your

4783
02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:24,600
treasure.

4784
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:25,880
Our formula is this.

4785
02:50:26,760 --> 02:50:27,340
We go out.

4786
02:50:28,020 --> 02:50:29,160
We hit people in the mouth.

4787
02:50:37,540 --> 02:50:38,420
Oh, yeah.

4788
02:50:40,020 --> 02:50:40,900
Shut up.

4789
02:50:46,320 --> 02:50:48,760
All right, you're up, I guess.

4790
02:50:49,320 --> 02:50:50,760
Tick tock tick tock.

4791
02:50:50,840 --> 02:50:52,620
All right, this would be the last of

4792
02:50:52,620 --> 02:50:53,760
the Lulu clips.

4793
02:50:53,820 --> 02:50:56,020
You must be very happy that tick tock

4794
02:50:56,020 --> 02:50:57,040
is back on the air.

4795
02:50:57,620 --> 02:50:58,820
I don't really care.

4796
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:00,600
Oh, what else you can do with your

4797
02:51:00,600 --> 02:51:00,920
time?

4798
02:51:01,020 --> 02:51:01,600
What are you going to do?

4799
02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:05,220
scroll LinkedIn see I don't use I use

4800
02:51:05,220 --> 02:51:08,260
the online app it's not an app it's

4801
02:51:08,260 --> 02:51:11,980
a website oh yes you and Sotomayor yes

4802
02:51:11,980 --> 02:51:13,860
remember I don't even do that I let

4803
02:51:13,860 --> 02:51:15,820
other people clear these clips I don't even

4804
02:51:15,820 --> 02:51:18,360
really just so you know just so you

4805
02:51:18,360 --> 02:51:21,240
know the website is stealing your contact list

4806
02:51:21,240 --> 02:51:23,400
yeah I bet it is I heard it

4807
02:51:23,400 --> 02:51:26,840
so let's let's start with the with the

4808
02:51:26,840 --> 02:51:29,100
great that this this funny-looking guy that

4809
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:31,600
comes on and he's been talking about Trump

4810
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:34,240
being arrested and fortunately went on and on

4811
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:36,300
so there's a two-parter but this is

4812
02:51:36,300 --> 02:51:40,420
the diluted talk diluted dude one he is

4813
02:51:40,420 --> 02:51:42,260
not going to be sworn in and he

4814
02:51:42,260 --> 02:51:44,120
will not be our next president how I

4815
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:46,400
know that for certain comes from the knowledge

4816
02:51:46,400 --> 02:51:48,180
of some information I found out last night

4817
02:51:48,180 --> 02:51:50,680
that I didn't know you know we all

4818
02:51:50,680 --> 02:51:55,120
know that when Biden was sworn in the

4819
02:51:55,120 --> 02:51:57,800
one person not present at his inauguration was

4820
02:51:57,800 --> 02:52:01,380
who Donald Trump he lacked the character to

4821
02:52:01,380 --> 02:52:04,540
be there to share in another man's joy

4822
02:52:04,540 --> 02:52:06,560
to have the character to say you know

4823
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:09,040
I didn't win the election you did but

4824
02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:10,560
here's a guy that's been given everything on

4825
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:12,740
a silver platter his whole life he was

4826
02:52:12,740 --> 02:52:14,320
born on third base and thought he hit

4827
02:52:14,320 --> 02:52:17,700
a triple he couldn't be at Joe Biden's

4828
02:52:17,700 --> 02:52:20,300
inauguration so what I found out last night

4829
02:52:20,300 --> 02:52:22,560
you know I'm thinking when is Donald Trump

4830
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:24,840
gonna be arrested and now I know that

4831
02:52:24,840 --> 02:52:28,040
he's gonna be arrested at his inauguration because

4832
02:52:28,040 --> 02:52:30,820
there's gonna be three people not present there

4833
02:52:30,820 --> 02:52:34,480
Barack Obama George W Bush and Bill Clinton

4834
02:52:34,480 --> 02:52:38,840
and their wives will not be present at

4835
02:52:38,840 --> 02:52:42,040
Donald Trump's inauguration on Monday they will not

4836
02:52:42,040 --> 02:52:44,820
be there not just because they know that

4837
02:52:44,820 --> 02:52:46,900
he's an asshole they don't want to be

4838
02:52:46,900 --> 02:52:49,300
near him or around him but because it's

4839
02:52:49,300 --> 02:52:52,100
a security risk it's a security risk that

4840
02:52:52,100 --> 02:52:54,940
they don't want our presidents to be subject

4841
02:52:54,940 --> 02:52:58,460
to the inauguration the steps that have been

4842
02:52:58,460 --> 02:53:03,500
taking taken 30 miles of high-quality well

4843
02:53:03,500 --> 02:53:07,160
-built fencing this is very difficult to negotiate

4844
02:53:07,160 --> 02:53:09,500
it's not easy to get over 30 miles

4845
02:53:09,500 --> 02:53:14,140
of that cement blocks and 25,000 law

4846
02:53:14,140 --> 02:53:18,360
enforcement officers those things are in place to

4847
02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:22,860
quelch a second insurrection because the powers that

4848
02:53:22,860 --> 02:53:25,260
be know that the proud boys and girls

4849
02:53:25,260 --> 02:53:27,860
there that weren't that are invited into Washington

4850
02:53:27,860 --> 02:53:31,560
DC this Sunday to celebrate Donald Trump's victory

4851
02:53:31,560 --> 02:53:33,680
that's why you invited them in on Sunday

4852
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:36,100
so they can celebrate he knows that they're

4853
02:53:36,100 --> 02:53:38,420
there to come to his back because he

4854
02:53:38,420 --> 02:53:41,480
knows something's up to have his back on

4855
02:53:41,480 --> 02:53:44,200
Monday the systems are in place they can't

4856
02:53:44,200 --> 02:53:45,920
have his back you know what these guys

4857
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:47,720
are missing or what they miss because this

4858
02:53:47,720 --> 02:53:49,200
is obviously is going to be the last

4859
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:52,040
lose we want them dots but they need

4860
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:53,960
a cue they need their version of Q

4861
02:53:53,960 --> 02:53:58,220
like Zed Zed says you know they need

4862
02:53:58,220 --> 02:54:01,040
they need right there is a missing element

4863
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:04,860
here we're we're left hanging about he did

4864
02:54:04,860 --> 02:54:06,620
oh he had this information it was provided

4865
02:54:06,620 --> 02:54:10,440
by who by what anyway he wraps up

4866
02:54:10,440 --> 02:54:11,880
early it was a short I had to

4867
02:54:11,880 --> 02:54:13,840
put this in there's a rest of it

4868
02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:15,260
they can attempt to have his back but

4869
02:54:15,260 --> 02:54:17,120
they'll be arrested and put down so there

4870
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:18,280
you go this is probably one of my

4871
02:54:18,280 --> 02:54:22,460
most meaningful videos when I'm reaching out to

4872
02:54:22,460 --> 02:54:24,080
you hopefully it'll be one of my shortest

4873
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:26,520
I'm learning to curb it I'm gonna be

4874
02:54:26,520 --> 02:54:28,900
better I'll be better in providing information and

4875
02:54:28,900 --> 02:54:32,180
not going on so long the 15th the

4876
02:54:32,180 --> 02:54:35,540
hearing on election interference the next day yesterday

4877
02:54:35,540 --> 02:54:37,880
Joe Biden signs an addendum to an executive

4878
02:54:37,880 --> 02:54:40,500
order one three six nine four making it

4879
02:54:40,500 --> 02:54:43,880
a crime to undermine the election process which

4880
02:54:43,880 --> 02:54:46,240
Donald Trump's guilty of that's the final piece

4881
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:48,300
of the puzzle done they had to wait

4882
02:54:48,300 --> 02:54:49,920
this long and everybody's like why couldn't they've

4883
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:52,100
done it weeks ago they couldn't Kamala had

4884
02:54:52,100 --> 02:54:54,860
to certify the ballots so that no Republican

4885
02:54:54,860 --> 02:54:57,360
attorneys can raise their freaking ugly heads and

4886
02:54:57,360 --> 02:55:00,480
question anything it's a lockdown it's lock all

4887
02:55:00,480 --> 02:55:04,000
the everything has been done legally Donald Trump

4888
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:06,980
was never going to take office yeah no

4889
02:55:06,980 --> 02:55:09,400
boy what are they gonna do these people

4890
02:55:09,400 --> 02:55:11,680
I'd like to know cuz I got two

4891
02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:14,480
more of these people okay I get this

4892
02:55:14,480 --> 02:55:16,720
one here is my favorite of the group

4893
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:21,020
this is they got him brother they got

4894
02:55:21,020 --> 02:55:22,480
him they got it they got him they

4895
02:55:22,480 --> 02:55:26,260
got him they got him and in the

4896
02:55:26,260 --> 02:55:28,240
event that this really is like the end

4897
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:31,620
of tick-tock in America which I still

4898
02:55:31,620 --> 02:55:33,800
don't fully believe but yeah I'm gonna I'm

4899
02:55:33,800 --> 02:55:35,720
gonna say it they got him the three

4900
02:55:35,720 --> 02:55:38,080
-letter agencies the government whoever however you want

4901
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:40,640
to say they got him he's not gonna

4902
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:44,540
be inaugurated he is going to be punished

4903
02:55:44,540 --> 02:55:48,160
for his crimes both proven and still in

4904
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:51,360
the works but yeah I don't think he's

4905
02:55:51,360 --> 02:55:54,800
going to take office and even if you

4906
02:55:54,800 --> 02:55:56,760
know who we want to take office doesn't

4907
02:55:56,760 --> 02:55:59,620
honestly like as long as it's not him

4908
02:56:00,280 --> 02:56:02,680
that's fine with me although I do hope

4909
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:04,340
to God that it doesn't you know turn

4910
02:56:04,340 --> 02:56:06,040
out to be a process where it's JD

4911
02:56:06,040 --> 02:56:09,320
or little Johnson because that's that's not much

4912
02:56:09,320 --> 02:56:12,660
better yeah I mean we heard that his

4913
02:56:12,660 --> 02:56:16,420
inauguration was moved inside because of security hmm

4914
02:56:16,420 --> 02:56:18,620
and not because of weather like you said

4915
02:56:18,620 --> 02:56:22,380
so I don't know all nice fade out

4916
02:56:22,380 --> 02:56:24,180
on the music so I saw a bunch

4917
02:56:24,180 --> 02:56:26,880
of pictures this morning that NYPD is there

4918
02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:29,940
I don't know if that's like the norm

4919
02:56:29,940 --> 02:56:31,940
or a regular thing just to have extra

4920
02:56:31,940 --> 02:56:36,520
you know protection there or whatever but NYPD

4921
02:56:36,520 --> 02:56:39,300
is there lining the street something's gonna happen

4922
02:56:39,300 --> 02:56:42,040
he's not gonna make it with some like

4923
02:56:42,040 --> 02:56:44,840
geoprism even predicting that there's gonna be like

4924
02:56:44,840 --> 02:56:48,120
a great switch so we'll see we'll see

4925
02:56:48,120 --> 02:56:50,400
we'll see but like I was saying if

4926
02:56:50,400 --> 02:56:52,880
this is the last app the last day

4927
02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:55,320
of this app excuse me sorry this is

4928
02:56:55,320 --> 02:56:57,560
the last day of this app then like

4929
02:56:57,560 --> 02:57:01,160
they they got him even if we don't

4930
02:57:01,160 --> 02:57:03,820
see the takedown on tik-tok like we

4931
02:57:03,820 --> 02:57:06,340
want to see it or even if we

4932
02:57:06,340 --> 02:57:08,120
do you know no we do that would

4933
02:57:08,120 --> 02:57:11,860
be great but it's rest assured it'll be

4934
02:57:11,860 --> 02:57:15,920
okay and we're good they got him well

4935
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:18,500
now I understand why the troll room continuously

4936
02:57:18,500 --> 02:57:24,000
says it's all fake and gay and you

4937
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:25,820
have something to say about my Supreme Court

4938
02:57:25,820 --> 02:57:30,700
clips and then we have and then we

4939
02:57:30,700 --> 02:57:34,860
have let that slide and then we have

4940
02:57:34,860 --> 02:57:38,880
the talk reason Trump going inside because he's

4941
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:40,840
done they got him it's all over he's

4942
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:43,980
getting arrested camel is gonna be president so

4943
02:57:43,980 --> 02:57:45,160
you may have heard that the Trump team

4944
02:57:45,160 --> 02:57:48,240
is moving their inauguration ceremony from outside to

4945
02:57:48,240 --> 02:57:50,720
inside in the rotunda and they are saying

4946
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:52,980
is because of frigid temps but it's actually

4947
02:57:52,980 --> 02:57:55,340
because they are expecting some of the lowest

4948
02:57:55,340 --> 02:57:57,920
turnouts ever for an inauguration and I know

4949
02:57:57,920 --> 02:58:00,100
this very well from working with campaigns if

4950
02:58:00,100 --> 02:58:01,920
you know you're gonna be short people you

4951
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:04,780
move to a smaller space move everybody to

4952
02:58:04,780 --> 02:58:06,940
the front take the pictures from the back

4953
02:58:06,940 --> 02:58:12,760
and that's what they're gonna do no one

4954
02:58:12,760 --> 02:58:14,920
was gonna well it's gonna be 12 degrees

4955
02:58:14,920 --> 02:58:16,900
yeah I mean but people were still gonna

4956
02:58:16,900 --> 02:58:20,340
show up probably oh yeah oh man oh

4957
02:58:20,340 --> 02:58:21,880
man is that it is that does that

4958
02:58:21,880 --> 02:58:24,540
conclude our I think of the Trump stuff

4959
02:58:24,540 --> 02:58:26,280
yeah there's one other clip which has got

4960
02:58:26,280 --> 02:58:28,540
nothing to do with it it'll be it'll

4961
02:58:28,540 --> 02:58:30,900
be used as appropriate we put it in

4962
02:58:30,900 --> 02:58:35,780
abeyance for now yes in abeyance now I

4963
02:58:35,780 --> 02:58:37,420
got the free speech clips out of the

4964
02:58:37,420 --> 02:58:39,840
UK which are interesting the UK is a

4965
02:58:39,840 --> 02:58:42,420
very interesting study from the perspective of free

4966
02:58:42,420 --> 02:58:46,720
speech because George Orwell there isn't any what

4967
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:48,620
has been going on there has been kind

4968
02:58:48,620 --> 02:58:51,080
of a shocker yeah I have to I

4969
02:58:51,080 --> 02:58:53,420
got to call my buddy Michelle is this

4970
02:58:53,420 --> 02:58:55,240
about the pubs is that what this is

4971
02:58:55,240 --> 02:58:57,420
no this is not about the politicians about

4972
02:58:57,420 --> 02:58:59,580
this the whole problem with the universities is

4973
02:58:59,580 --> 02:59:01,580
right they're making a big fuss at some

4974
02:59:01,580 --> 02:59:04,860
of the universities because they've decided that free

4975
02:59:04,860 --> 02:59:07,240
speech is a good idea let me just

4976
02:59:07,240 --> 02:59:10,800
read you the headline labors pub banter crackdown

4977
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:13,660
landlords could oh yes I heard it I

4978
02:59:13,660 --> 02:59:15,080
don't have a clip on this is a

4979
02:59:15,080 --> 02:59:18,840
great what how is this even this is

4980
02:59:18,840 --> 02:59:21,900
beyond me what's going on landlords could ban

4981
02:59:21,900 --> 02:59:25,340
drinkers from talking about controversial topics that bar

4982
02:59:25,340 --> 02:59:29,340
workers think are offensive so a landlord can

4983
02:59:29,340 --> 02:59:31,320
kick you out if you if you're running

4984
02:59:31,320 --> 02:59:34,800
a bar on their property I guess this

4985
02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:35,960
is why I have to call Michelle because

4986
02:59:35,960 --> 02:59:39,180
he knows this stuff this it's like yeah

4987
02:59:39,180 --> 02:59:40,780
there is no free speech in the UK

4988
02:59:40,780 --> 02:59:45,880
none zero zip nada why I wonder why

4989
02:59:45,880 --> 02:59:48,580
Scott how Scott Galloway is doing he bought

4990
02:59:48,580 --> 02:59:52,040
a house there he moved to London so

4991
02:59:52,040 --> 02:59:57,640
he could talk about football please all right

4992
02:59:57,640 --> 03:00:00,420
free speech in UK universities Britain will enact

4993
03:00:00,420 --> 03:00:03,860
free speech legislation for universities amid mounting calls

4994
03:00:03,860 --> 03:00:07,300
from leading academics but only partially the British

4995
03:00:07,300 --> 03:00:10,100
government is seeking to repeal some provisions of

4996
03:00:10,100 --> 03:00:13,400
the incoming law which it deems burdensome entities

4997
03:00:13,400 --> 03:00:16,360
international correspondent Malcolm Hudson has more on this

4998
03:00:16,360 --> 03:00:19,880
from London free speech in UK universities is

4999
03:00:19,880 --> 03:00:22,500
now set to be better secured with a

5000
03:00:22,500 --> 03:00:25,740
law aiming to protect students and teachers from

5001
03:00:25,740 --> 03:00:28,820
cancel culture though the British government is currently

5002
03:00:28,820 --> 03:00:32,540
implementing only parts of a law after previously

5003
03:00:32,540 --> 03:00:36,200
pausing the full version and this after continued

5004
03:00:36,200 --> 03:00:39,380
and mounting pressure from academics and free speech

5005
03:00:39,380 --> 03:00:44,200
advocates who wanted the law enacted education secretary

5006
03:00:44,200 --> 03:00:47,460
Bridget Philipson paused the higher education freedom of

5007
03:00:47,460 --> 03:00:49,400
speech act just before it was due to

5008
03:00:49,400 --> 03:00:52,260
take effect last August due to concerns that

5009
03:00:52,260 --> 03:00:54,820
the law was burdensome while not addressing hate

5010
03:00:54,820 --> 03:00:59,280
speech on campuses however almost 700 academics including

5011
03:00:59,280 --> 03:01:02,480
several Nobel Prize winners called on Philipson to

5012
03:01:02,480 --> 03:01:05,000
implement the law to protect free speech on

5013
03:01:05,000 --> 03:01:08,420
Wednesday Philipson confirmed key provisions will be brought

5014
03:01:08,420 --> 03:01:11,340
into force the ability of our academics to

5015
03:01:11,340 --> 03:01:14,460
explore and express new ideas through teaching and

5016
03:01:14,460 --> 03:01:17,320
research is precious and we must protect it

5017
03:01:17,320 --> 03:01:20,600
these fundamental freedoms are more important much more

5018
03:01:20,600 --> 03:01:23,500
important than the wishes of some students not

5019
03:01:23,500 --> 03:01:26,300
to be offended she said universities are not

5020
03:01:26,300 --> 03:01:28,420
a place for students to shut down any

5021
03:01:28,420 --> 03:01:31,400
view with which they disagree provisions to enact

5022
03:01:31,400 --> 03:01:34,660
include the higher education regulator the Office for

5023
03:01:34,660 --> 03:01:37,260
Students will have the power to investigate complaints

5024
03:01:37,260 --> 03:01:39,820
over breaches of free speech as well as

5025
03:01:39,820 --> 03:01:42,320
the power to issue fines for breaches the

5026
03:01:42,320 --> 03:01:44,820
act will also require all universities to have

5027
03:01:44,820 --> 03:01:48,020
robust codes of conduct to ensure the protection

5028
03:01:48,020 --> 03:01:51,260
of free speech universities that break the rules

5029
03:01:51,260 --> 03:01:53,980
will be publicly held to account and could

5030
03:01:53,980 --> 03:01:57,100
end up paying compensation fines or even be

5031
03:01:57,100 --> 03:01:59,780
suspended just one of the many reasons we

5032
03:01:59,780 --> 03:02:04,020
left you guys you're crazy you're totally crazy

5033
03:02:04,020 --> 03:02:06,180
this all seems to be about just banning

5034
03:02:06,180 --> 03:02:12,240
the term tacky really I mean the whole

5035
03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:14,640
thing is crazy there and they you know

5036
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:16,900
they don't want they're like the Australian guy

5037
03:02:16,900 --> 03:02:18,580
who doesn't know what's that he wants to

5038
03:02:18,580 --> 03:02:23,380
make memes illegal more so now Elmer Fudd

5039
03:02:23,380 --> 03:02:26,340
they do not have any version of a

5040
03:02:26,340 --> 03:02:29,700
First Amendment and they have the Magna Carta

5041
03:02:29,700 --> 03:02:34,420
which I think says something maybe about religious

5042
03:02:34,420 --> 03:02:38,800
freedom possibly but this is a wow this

5043
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:45,250
is a problem where's the revolts Britain it's

5044
03:02:45,250 --> 03:02:46,930
beyond me but here's the second part of

5045
03:02:46,930 --> 03:02:49,850
this series Philipson is seeking to repeal other

5046
03:02:49,850 --> 03:02:52,590
parts of the legislation the first is the

5047
03:02:52,590 --> 03:02:55,430
duties on student unions in the act students

5048
03:02:55,430 --> 03:02:57,790
unions are neither equipped nor funded to navigate

5049
03:02:57,790 --> 03:03:01,010
such a complex regulatory environment she's also seeking

5050
03:03:01,010 --> 03:03:03,990
repeal of another provision one which would allow

5051
03:03:03,990 --> 03:03:07,550
individuals to sue institutions that failed to comply

5052
03:03:07,550 --> 03:03:10,710
with freedom of speech requirements she said this

5053
03:03:10,710 --> 03:03:14,290
would create costly litigation that risks diverting resources

5054
03:03:14,290 --> 03:03:16,950
away from students at a time when university

5055
03:03:16,950 --> 03:03:20,190
finances are already strained the Department for Education

5056
03:03:20,190 --> 03:03:23,850
also said overseas transparency provisions in the act

5057
03:03:23,850 --> 03:03:26,690
will be kept under review these provisions were

5058
03:03:26,690 --> 03:03:30,590
meant to prevent anonymous donations to universities amid

5059
03:03:30,590 --> 03:03:35,090
concerns about foreign interference responding to Philipson shadow

5060
03:03:35,090 --> 03:03:39,090
education secretary Laura Trott asked what changes to

5061
03:03:39,090 --> 03:03:42,070
the overseas funding provisions are being considered can

5062
03:03:42,070 --> 03:03:45,190
she confirm that none of these were discussed

5063
03:03:45,190 --> 03:03:49,150
in the Chancellor's recent visit to China and

5064
03:03:49,150 --> 03:03:51,690
can she confirm that there were no deals

5065
03:03:51,690 --> 03:03:56,490
done to amend this clause Philipson did not

5066
03:03:56,490 --> 03:03:59,130
respond to this question at the time where's

5067
03:03:59,130 --> 03:04:01,670
Nigel Farage where are these people with that

5068
03:04:01,670 --> 03:04:04,190
where's the outrage there's none there's none there's

5069
03:04:04,190 --> 03:04:06,030
no outrage I don't least I don't not

5070
03:04:06,030 --> 03:04:09,110
that I can see I haven't seen any

5071
03:04:09,110 --> 03:04:12,150
it's very peculiar I remember that we didn't

5072
03:04:12,150 --> 03:04:14,150
talk about it but there was a star

5073
03:04:14,150 --> 03:04:16,930
mer who was really freaked out about the

5074
03:04:16,930 --> 03:04:20,990
fact that that Trump's henchman Elon Musk hatchet

5075
03:04:20,990 --> 03:04:24,210
man hatchet yeah hatchet man I'm sorry you're

5076
03:04:24,210 --> 03:04:27,430
right yeah is going after for being a

5077
03:04:27,430 --> 03:04:33,030
pedophile being a pedophile for protecting the the

5078
03:04:33,030 --> 03:04:38,350
pedo rapists yes yes but he's and star

5079
03:04:38,350 --> 03:04:40,270
mermaid did some comment about you know they're

5080
03:04:40,270 --> 03:04:44,150
gonna ask for the extradition of American citizens

5081
03:04:44,150 --> 03:04:49,390
who who get involved in British politics and

5082
03:04:49,390 --> 03:04:52,050
make commentary of some sort that's against their

5083
03:04:52,050 --> 03:04:57,150
laws which means Musk yeah I don't know

5084
03:04:57,150 --> 03:04:59,290
what what what they're gonna do this is

5085
03:04:59,290 --> 03:05:02,250
just crazy by the way did you see

5086
03:05:02,250 --> 03:05:06,410
the the news about Darren Bell the prize

5087
03:05:06,410 --> 03:05:11,430
-winning cartoonist oh yes yeah he's done he's

5088
03:05:11,430 --> 03:05:15,850
done some really odd groomer like yeah I

5089
03:05:15,850 --> 03:05:18,830
had there was a there was a meme

5090
03:05:18,830 --> 03:05:20,330
about it which was I was gonna use

5091
03:05:20,330 --> 03:05:21,870
the probably put it in the next newsletter

5092
03:05:21,870 --> 03:05:24,390
it's quite funny yeah that guy yeah he

5093
03:05:24,390 --> 03:05:28,670
was a nasty editorial cartoonist we don't we

5094
03:05:28,670 --> 03:05:30,610
don't know that he is he's been arrested

5095
03:05:30,610 --> 03:05:33,430
on it no I say he's nasty yeah

5096
03:05:33,430 --> 03:05:36,790
okay nasty editorial cartoonist yeah he was me

5097
03:05:36,790 --> 03:05:40,050
a mean-spirited nasty editorial cartoonist that used

5098
03:05:40,050 --> 03:05:43,670
to give Trump grief for one thing or

5099
03:05:43,670 --> 03:05:47,410
another especially his you know his supposed you

5100
03:05:47,410 --> 03:05:51,130
know assault on that crazy woman in bloom

5101
03:05:51,130 --> 03:05:56,570
Bergdorf Bergdorf yeah like there's nobody around yeah

5102
03:05:56,570 --> 03:06:02,190
in Bergdorf and and so he's that guy

5103
03:06:02,190 --> 03:06:03,450
and then the next thing you know he

5104
03:06:03,450 --> 03:06:08,930
was accused of being uploading child pornography oh

5105
03:06:08,930 --> 03:06:11,890
man yeah scourge what a scourge yeah ledge

5106
03:06:11,890 --> 03:06:17,230
scourge well speaking of Elon it's amazing what

5107
03:06:17,230 --> 03:06:19,610
kind of press the guy can get tonight

5108
03:06:19,610 --> 03:06:22,970
these spectacular images of debris a blaze in

5109
03:06:22,970 --> 03:06:29,770
the sky above the Caribbean the FAA now

5110
03:06:29,770 --> 03:06:33,250
requiring SpaceX launch an investigation into the mid

5111
03:06:33,250 --> 03:06:39,630
-flight failure yeah the incident forced flight delays

5112
03:06:39,630 --> 03:06:43,650
and diversions around Florida some pilots concerned midair

5113
03:06:43,650 --> 03:06:53,650
this was the seventh

5114
03:06:53,650 --> 03:06:56,270
test launch of the rocket the reusable booster

5115
03:06:56,270 --> 03:06:59,110
successfully hauled in by the so-called chopsticks

5116
03:06:59,110 --> 03:07:05,930
of Mecca Zilla SpaceX lost communications with the

5117
03:07:05,930 --> 03:07:09,470
ship just minutes later company saying they believe

5118
03:07:09,470 --> 03:07:12,110
a fire caused it to break apart SpaceX

5119
03:07:12,110 --> 03:07:14,730
is asking anyone who finds debris to report

5120
03:07:14,730 --> 03:07:16,250
it to them and the Starship will be

5121
03:07:16,250 --> 03:07:19,230
grounded until SpaceX and the FAA completes this

5122
03:07:19,230 --> 03:07:22,650
investigation I love it I love it was

5123
03:07:22,650 --> 03:07:24,350
this the moon launch was this the one

5124
03:07:24,350 --> 03:07:25,470
that was supposed to go to the moon

5125
03:07:25,470 --> 03:07:31,210
I think so forget the Van Allen belts

5126
03:07:31,210 --> 03:07:35,010
you can't even get above the clouds hey

5127
03:07:35,010 --> 03:07:37,770
man it's really awesome how the booster gets

5128
03:07:37,770 --> 03:07:40,010
caught by by Mecca Zilla mom that's really

5129
03:07:40,010 --> 03:07:43,870
awesome that's really fantastic that's real awesome okay

5130
03:07:43,870 --> 03:07:47,830
get me to the moon we did it

5131
03:07:47,830 --> 03:07:51,770
60 years ago in some rickety piece of

5132
03:07:51,770 --> 03:07:57,470
aluminum you know you know me John uh

5133
03:07:57,470 --> 03:07:59,810
you're the at least you're consistent I am

5134
03:07:59,810 --> 03:08:14,030
very consistent everybody

5135
03:08:14,030 --> 03:08:16,590
is very nervous about the tip of the

5136
03:08:16,590 --> 03:08:21,130
day because now that the creator himself Dana

5137
03:08:21,130 --> 03:08:24,530
Brunetti Dana Brunetti has showed up on the

5138
03:08:24,530 --> 03:08:28,010
scene and is making waves we're very curious

5139
03:08:28,010 --> 03:08:32,230
everyone loved the the dashcam one I saw

5140
03:08:32,230 --> 03:08:34,590
people posting pictures of it and links to

5141
03:08:34,590 --> 03:08:37,050
it and everyone's like it's a huge hit

5142
03:08:37,050 --> 03:08:38,630
and you know you got free you got

5143
03:08:38,630 --> 03:08:39,970
a free some free gear out of it

5144
03:08:39,970 --> 03:08:44,470
which reminds me because we're going to thank

5145
03:08:44,470 --> 03:08:46,390
everybody $50 and above I want to thank

5146
03:08:46,390 --> 03:08:50,430
Sean Holman in Noblesville Indiana who comes in

5147
03:08:50,430 --> 03:08:53,130
with 148 48 which he says was a

5148
03:08:53,130 --> 03:08:57,130
show 1730 donation I guess that was what

5149
03:08:57,130 --> 03:09:01,530
was the number for show 1730 it wasn't

5150
03:09:01,530 --> 03:09:06,790
148 48 that must be with fees well

5151
03:09:06,790 --> 03:09:09,370
it's his first donation and a switcheroo for

5152
03:09:09,370 --> 03:09:11,330
his wife they just had the fourth human

5153
03:09:11,330 --> 03:09:14,570
resource it was their first boy finally and

5154
03:09:14,570 --> 03:09:16,170
then he just says everyone go to stealth

5155
03:09:16,170 --> 03:09:18,830
arms net and the reason why I say

5156
03:09:18,830 --> 03:09:21,030
that is because you know you got yourself

5157
03:09:21,030 --> 03:09:25,490
a dashcam he sent me a platypus a

5158
03:09:25,490 --> 03:09:29,570
what a platypus you don't know you don't

5159
03:09:29,570 --> 03:09:31,830
know what the platypus no I don't know

5160
03:09:31,830 --> 03:09:33,830
anything about what you're talking about the platypus

5161
03:09:33,830 --> 03:09:37,090
that's that is the hottest handgun going on

5162
03:09:37,090 --> 03:09:39,510
these days the platypus it's a plot it's

5163
03:09:39,510 --> 03:09:41,710
called a you you're shooting a gun called

5164
03:09:41,710 --> 03:09:43,850
a platypus it actually looks a bit like

5165
03:09:43,850 --> 03:09:46,050
a platypus bit with a big was just

5166
03:09:46,050 --> 03:09:48,450
spray bullets every which way or what I

5167
03:09:48,450 --> 03:09:50,130
don't know got a big bill on the

5168
03:09:50,130 --> 03:09:52,250
end kind of I got to go pick

5169
03:09:52,250 --> 03:09:53,550
it up I'll pick it up tomorrow I'll

5170
03:09:53,550 --> 03:09:59,450
let you know so anyway that's it you

5171
03:09:59,450 --> 03:10:04,710
can continue oh what was I doing you're

5172
03:10:04,710 --> 03:10:06,650
gonna pick it up with sir Stuart in

5173
03:10:06,650 --> 03:10:11,510
Staffordshire oh no oh you oh I'm sorry

5174
03:10:11,510 --> 03:10:13,870
you got me all confused yes I'm sorry

5175
03:10:13,870 --> 03:10:16,050
I'm sorry about that Sean Holman was the

5176
03:10:16,050 --> 03:10:18,530
first he's in Noblesville okay you get you

5177
03:10:18,530 --> 03:10:20,770
you read that yes I did because he

5178
03:10:20,770 --> 03:10:26,550
gave me a platypus I didn't get a

5179
03:10:26,550 --> 03:10:29,710
platypus you got you got a dashcam the

5180
03:10:29,710 --> 03:10:32,970
platypus is more interesting not well you got

5181
03:10:32,970 --> 03:10:39,570
to talk to Sean that

5182
03:10:39,570 --> 03:10:47,750
is as bad as saying Paki my friend

5183
03:10:47,750 --> 03:10:50,190
you can't say gypped anymore surely you know

5184
03:10:50,190 --> 03:10:54,090
yeah you know this yes why can I

5185
03:10:54,090 --> 03:10:55,970
say gyp what what's the what is the

5186
03:10:55,970 --> 03:10:59,410
reason it hurts gypsies feelings I you know

5187
03:10:59,410 --> 03:11:02,210
curious I had one gypsy who told me

5188
03:11:02,210 --> 03:11:05,470
that yeah and did he beat you up

5189
03:11:05,470 --> 03:11:08,710
no did he get pocketed you read your

5190
03:11:08,710 --> 03:11:18,490
fortune okay onward these are the donations

5191
03:11:18,490 --> 03:11:26,410
of your bad yeah sir Stewart Stafford Staffordshire

5192
03:11:26,410 --> 03:11:29,350
UK one two three one two four three

5193
03:11:29,350 --> 03:11:35,550
three Steve David Davis David Baron I think

5194
03:11:35,550 --> 03:11:38,610
he's by now Gladstone Missouri David Fugazotto and

5195
03:11:38,610 --> 03:11:40,970
one two four three three there you go

5196
03:11:40,970 --> 03:11:45,710
there you go Dame Roundstone in Trumbull Connecticut

5197
03:11:45,710 --> 03:11:47,670
one two four three three these are all

5198
03:11:47,670 --> 03:11:53,430
the the donations for the inauguration 120 25

5199
03:11:53,430 --> 03:11:57,850
right plus the interesting how the fees bring

5200
03:11:57,850 --> 03:12:00,570
it to a 33 magic number everywhere it's

5201
03:12:00,570 --> 03:12:03,090
amazing yeah I found that to be peculiar

5202
03:12:03,090 --> 03:12:06,510
indeed James Fitzgerald in Palmer Lake Colorado I'm

5203
03:12:06,510 --> 03:12:08,390
just gonna read that all these all these

5204
03:12:08,390 --> 03:12:11,350
these are all donations and for the Trump

5205
03:12:11,350 --> 03:12:18,770
coronation Marianne Del James Fitzgerald's in Palmer Lake

5206
03:12:18,770 --> 03:12:22,650
Connecticut a caught Colorado I'll get it Marianne

5207
03:12:22,650 --> 03:12:28,170
Delphia Delphia in Garrettsville Ohio Michael Kellner in

5208
03:12:28,170 --> 03:12:32,510
a rip-on California Nathan Cochran in Franklin

5209
03:12:32,510 --> 03:12:35,850
Tennessee sir Nathan is your mercy me boys

5210
03:12:35,850 --> 03:12:41,790
yes yes right I need to see you

5211
03:12:41,790 --> 03:12:46,490
need it yeah next time you're out here

5212
03:12:46,490 --> 03:12:49,350
or just come by we'll go have dinner

5213
03:12:49,350 --> 03:12:53,210
with the band hang out with the band

5214
03:12:53,210 --> 03:12:56,030
at dinner yeah have dinner with the band

5215
03:12:56,030 --> 03:12:59,130
yeah the band bring them over a Dame

5216
03:12:59,130 --> 03:13:07,250
Melovation Melo Melo Melovation Melovation Melovation Colorado Springs

5217
03:13:07,250 --> 03:13:13,810
120 25 John Wynn in Austin Texas it

5218
03:13:13,810 --> 03:13:15,990
also it these are all the 120 25

5219
03:13:15,990 --> 03:13:18,130
this is a good this worked out Aaron

5220
03:13:18,130 --> 03:13:23,790
mullet as in mullet in Goshen Indiana sir

5221
03:13:23,790 --> 03:13:27,490
Richard he says please deduce the newsletter works

5222
03:13:27,490 --> 03:13:28,770
I think we should at least do that

5223
03:13:28,770 --> 03:13:33,430
since he complimented you on the newsletter you've

5224
03:13:33,430 --> 03:13:38,590
been deduced that was a good newsletter it

5225
03:13:38,590 --> 03:13:41,870
was I liked it sir Richard Hufford in

5226
03:13:41,870 --> 03:13:47,290
Tempe Arizona sir digi in Indianapolis Indiana and

5227
03:13:47,290 --> 03:13:50,410
last on our little list is Stephen Carr

5228
03:13:50,410 --> 03:13:53,250
in Miami Springs I didn't even know there

5229
03:13:53,250 --> 03:13:57,470
was a Miami Springs apparently Florida all right

5230
03:13:57,470 --> 03:14:01,810
onward with Kevin McLaughlin Conquer North Carolina he's

5231
03:14:01,810 --> 03:14:04,530
the Archduke of Luna lover of America and

5232
03:14:04,530 --> 03:14:12,710
boobs 8008 Stephen Cole gazier gazier gazier it's

5233
03:14:12,710 --> 03:14:16,470
probably what it is in Fernandina Beach Fernandina

5234
03:14:16,470 --> 03:14:18,830
Beach Florida a lot of beaches in Florida

5235
03:14:18,830 --> 03:14:24,430
I might add 75 this is fourth donation

5236
03:14:24,430 --> 03:14:29,630
okay sir silver and in Silver Springs Maryland

5237
03:14:29,630 --> 03:14:34,550
67 67 sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago

5238
03:14:34,550 --> 03:14:39,370
6006 or Don 6006 love is lit less

5239
03:14:39,370 --> 03:14:43,690
Tarkowski in Kingman Arizona 6006 a small boob

5240
03:14:43,690 --> 03:14:48,590
fans Lydia Terry in Rochester New Hampshire 5933

5241
03:14:48,590 --> 03:14:53,910
Dean Roker 5510 Aaron chambered Chamberlain in Dayton

5242
03:14:53,910 --> 03:14:57,350
Ohio 5510 it's on the birthday list turn

5243
03:14:57,350 --> 03:15:01,850
to 37 sir D in Miami Florida 5510

5244
03:15:01,850 --> 03:15:07,910
Marius of I don't know Mario's not gel

5245
03:15:07,910 --> 03:15:13,770
a Marius who's not gel in Oslo Norway

5246
03:15:13,770 --> 03:15:18,770
Norway he wants a de-douche you've been

5247
03:15:18,770 --> 03:15:21,890
de-douche Adam will give you some house

5248
03:15:21,890 --> 03:15:23,930
buying karma at the end baby me all

5249
03:15:23,930 --> 03:15:25,790
you could put put baby making karma on

5250
03:15:25,790 --> 03:15:28,290
that list at the end all right that's

5251
03:15:28,290 --> 03:15:31,350
what he needs mm-hmm I'm assuming it's

5252
03:15:31,350 --> 03:15:34,490
a he sir Tommy Hawk in Iowa City

5253
03:15:34,490 --> 03:15:38,890
Iowa 5050 sir economic hitman in tumble Texas

5254
03:15:38,890 --> 03:15:41,970
5001 and now we got the $50 donors

5255
03:15:41,970 --> 03:15:47,170
name and location as appropriate and she Jagger

5256
03:15:47,170 --> 03:15:54,810
in barn Netherlands Luke Olsen in Alexandria Virginia

5257
03:15:54,810 --> 03:15:58,390
that's our spook area and as all the

5258
03:15:58,390 --> 03:16:02,510
$50 and no offense Luke Corey Bennett in

5259
03:16:02,510 --> 03:16:05,850
Denver Colorado Scott lavender in Montgomery Texas Diane

5260
03:16:05,850 --> 03:16:08,970
Schwannbach parts on loan she's got a happy

5261
03:16:08,970 --> 03:16:11,470
birthday coming up Andrew goosic sir Andrew in

5262
03:16:11,470 --> 03:16:15,770
Greensboro North Carolina 50 Bart in door direct

5263
03:16:15,770 --> 03:16:19,230
door direct yeah you got pretty close Holland

5264
03:16:19,230 --> 03:16:22,250
and it's a note of some sort is

5265
03:16:22,250 --> 03:16:24,270
this because of a nighting I can't tell

5266
03:16:24,270 --> 03:16:26,030
it's all in no no it's not he

5267
03:16:26,030 --> 03:16:30,270
just he says go Jesus okay well I

5268
03:16:30,270 --> 03:16:34,710
guess that's yeah sir can a beak and

5269
03:16:34,710 --> 03:16:38,490
Dame Tracy came came came break cane break

5270
03:16:38,490 --> 03:16:41,610
answer and Dame Tracy together and st.

5271
03:16:41,750 --> 03:16:47,310
George Louisiana Leanne Shipley in Covington Washington sir

5272
03:16:47,310 --> 03:16:50,690
Jerry Wingenroth in Saugus usually last on the

5273
03:16:50,690 --> 03:16:52,890
list but no there's Baroness Knight in Edmonds

5274
03:16:52,890 --> 03:16:54,910
Washington last on the list is actually Alan

5275
03:16:54,910 --> 03:16:58,110
Bean our buddy Baron Alan Bean in Beaverton

5276
03:16:58,110 --> 03:17:01,010
Oregon hey who was our dentist up in

5277
03:17:01,010 --> 03:17:04,150
the Pacific Northwest yeah the dent the dentist

5278
03:17:04,150 --> 03:17:09,270
that is that's a night birch oh right

5279
03:17:09,270 --> 03:17:11,510
Greg Greg yeah I got someone who has

5280
03:17:11,510 --> 03:17:13,050
a dental question for I want to forward

5281
03:17:13,050 --> 03:17:15,290
it to him yeah Greg birch seems to

5282
03:17:15,290 --> 03:17:17,930
be overboard oh well then that won't help

5283
03:17:17,930 --> 03:17:20,710
will it yeah well thank you all very

5284
03:17:20,710 --> 03:17:23,010
much $50 and above under 50 we do

5285
03:17:23,010 --> 03:17:25,030
not mention for reasons of anonymity but we

5286
03:17:25,030 --> 03:17:26,710
always appreciate it when you do one of

5287
03:17:26,710 --> 03:17:29,230
those sustaining donations which means any amount any

5288
03:17:29,230 --> 03:17:32,170
frequency go to no agenda donations calm to

5289
03:17:32,170 --> 03:17:33,450
set that up and I'm gonna do a

5290
03:17:33,450 --> 03:17:37,150
combo baby jobs and house selling karma jobs

5291
03:17:37,150 --> 03:17:41,530
jobs jobs and jobs let's vote for job

5292
03:17:43,190 --> 03:17:50,680
you've got karma there it is no agenda

5293
03:17:50,680 --> 03:17:59,560
donations calm everybody Hogan's happy birthday to his

5294
03:17:59,560 --> 03:18:06,200
mom Erica coochie coochie coochie coochie celebrating today

5295
03:18:06,200 --> 03:18:09,240
happy birthday a mom Erica Dave buzzer which

5296
03:18:09,240 --> 03:18:11,440
is a son Caleb bizarre a happy one

5297
03:18:11,440 --> 03:18:15,660
turns 21 today dame elevation turns 61 tomorrow

5298
03:18:15,660 --> 03:18:20,520
Aaron Chamberlain turns 37 tomorrow and TPC says

5299
03:18:20,520 --> 03:18:22,640
happy birthday to Tony and we say that

5300
03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:24,820
as well happy birthday from everybody here at

5301
03:18:24,820 --> 03:18:29,120
the best podcast in the universe we do

5302
03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:32,500
have one nighting to to celebrate here so

5303
03:18:32,500 --> 03:18:34,640
I'll get our one nighting blade out there

5304
03:18:34,640 --> 03:18:36,600
you go so it comes from under the

5305
03:18:36,600 --> 03:18:39,600
rubble there it is hey Ty Glander step

5306
03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:41,600
up on the podium you are about to

5307
03:18:41,600 --> 03:18:43,520
become a knight of the no agenda roundtable

5308
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:45,880
in fact because of your contribution the amount

5309
03:18:45,880 --> 03:18:47,980
of $1,000 or more you qualify I'm

5310
03:18:47,980 --> 03:18:51,480
very proud to pronounce KV as sir imperfect

5311
03:18:51,480 --> 03:18:54,800
that's right sir imperfect for you we have

5312
03:18:54,800 --> 03:18:57,440
hookers and blow rent boys and chardonnay prostitutes

5313
03:18:57,440 --> 03:18:59,540
and cigars along with that harlots and aldol

5314
03:18:59,540 --> 03:19:01,820
redheads and rise beers and blunts we've got

5315
03:19:01,820 --> 03:19:04,780
cowgirls and coffee and coffin varnish rubin s

5316
03:19:04,780 --> 03:19:06,800
women rose a case of the sake vodka

5317
03:19:06,800 --> 03:19:08,800
vanilla bong hits of bourbon ginger ale and

5318
03:19:08,800 --> 03:19:11,220
gerbils mutton and meat and as always at

5319
03:19:11,220 --> 03:19:15,120
every single roundtable what everybody loves nuts it

5320
03:19:15,120 --> 03:19:18,860
is the mutton in me screwed up I

5321
03:19:18,860 --> 03:19:20,460
gave you twice the amount of mutton in

5322
03:19:20,460 --> 03:19:22,060
meat hope you don't mind in the meantime

5323
03:19:22,060 --> 03:19:24,360
while you're munching on that mutton sipping on

5324
03:19:24,360 --> 03:19:26,640
that mead go to no agenda rings comm

5325
03:19:26,640 --> 03:19:28,220
that's where everybody can take a look at

5326
03:19:28,220 --> 03:19:31,500
those beautiful night and Dame rings they are

5327
03:19:31,500 --> 03:19:34,620
quite handsome and quite beautiful and you sir

5328
03:19:34,620 --> 03:19:37,040
will use the handy ring sizing guide to

5329
03:19:37,040 --> 03:19:38,660
give us your ring size and an address

5330
03:19:38,660 --> 03:19:41,040
and they're off to the address listed there

5331
03:19:41,040 --> 03:19:42,140
and we'll get it to you as soon

5332
03:19:42,140 --> 03:19:43,760
as possible it is a signet ring so

5333
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:46,380
you can imprint your ITM hit him in

5334
03:19:46,380 --> 03:19:49,640
the mouth credentials on your important correspondence with

5335
03:19:49,640 --> 03:19:51,500
the wax that we supply and as always

5336
03:19:51,500 --> 03:19:54,660
it comes with a certificate of authenticity welcome

5337
03:19:54,660 --> 03:20:04,400
to the roundtable no agenda meetups

5338
03:20:04,400 --> 03:20:06,500
that's where you bring your attitude of gratitude

5339
03:20:06,500 --> 03:20:09,340
because connection is protection and these are your

5340
03:20:09,340 --> 03:20:11,540
first responders in an emergency you can all

5341
03:20:11,540 --> 03:20:14,800
find no agenda meetups comm the listing of

5342
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:17,640
every single meetup that is planned and scheduled

5343
03:20:17,640 --> 03:20:21,040
they're all producer organized we just love when

5344
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:22,920
people do this and we love the reports

5345
03:20:22,920 --> 03:20:25,120
that you send and especially if they come

5346
03:20:25,120 --> 03:20:30,960
from faraway lands such as buenos Aires hola

5347
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:32,980
John and Adam this is a meetup report

5348
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from Buenos Aires Argentina Commodore Dalton S Fisher

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03:20:37,760 --> 03:20:40,280
here thank you for your courage hi Adam

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John in the morning hello there here it

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is the mother that he saw in flesh

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he doesn't know the show but we're gonna

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03:20:46,740 --> 03:20:50,320
get him to listen to it anyway there

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you go there you go John Buenos Aires

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we can make a trip and do a

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remote we have some eskies some people that

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take us around and show us the sites

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and some people are very smart when they

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title their their meetups after well-known brands

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this comes from Keene New Hampshire it is

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the too many eggs comm meetup this is

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resist we much John and Adam how are

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you you guys are great we enjoy it

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is too many eggs meeting number nine and

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it's a pleasure to be here with you

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guys moving along hi John and Adam this

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is Bri Bri I like the show keep

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03:21:28,100 --> 03:21:30,440
doing what you're doing it's good stuff ITM

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03:21:30,440 --> 03:21:32,380
gentlemen this is crypto Duke I guess we

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had a lot of shy people which is

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why we have a big big gap that's

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that's why anyway thank you again for the

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great show and we're having a great time

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here at margaritas and Keene yes indeed and

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our final meetup report comes from Central Ohio

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good evening gentlemen this is wild a bill

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03:21:49,900 --> 03:21:52,680
of Ohio we are at Dempsey's for the

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Central Ohio meetup and we're playing slappy birds

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it's flappy bird same thing ITM gentlemen this

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is sir Rod night of the Crocs and

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socks hanging out with the Central Ohio meetup

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crew happy to have sir PBR string gang

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and Dame Trinity here with us from Indiana

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my pass the phone thank you for your

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courage in the morning Dame Trinity have a

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great time at Dempsey's sir PBR street gang

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coming directly from Dempsey's downtown Columbus having another

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great meetup sir Dempsey he does the whole

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it's sir Leary at Dempsey's good to go

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great meetup love having these folks sir Leary

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here sorry about that delay there but we've

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got real roses in the glass here it's

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really nice so if you want to join

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a meetup we'll see you in February ciao

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in the morning bag slappers John go back

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on who are these podcasts Adam you need

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03:22:50,320 --> 03:22:52,640
to go on who are these podcasts join

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03:22:52,640 --> 03:22:58,240
the dabble verse guys a reminder to get

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your servers on these meetup reports we love

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hearing from them as well and that's a

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good person to hit in the mouth the

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no agenda mug club media meetup is well

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underway as we speak in Blackfin Ameripub Ballantyne

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that's in Charlotte North Carolina we have tomorrow

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that'll be is tomorrow also President's Day I

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think it is no it's Martin Luther King

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03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:20,000
is it Martin Luther King Day it's a

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holiday yeah you'll get your mail oh man

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I'm gonna miss my mail what else is

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going on tomorrow oh yeah that's right the

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shrunken amygdala inauguration celebration 7 o'clock at

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March 1st brewing in Cincinnati Ohio and on

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Wednesday the Outer Swamp meetup in Java Nation

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Rockville Rockville Maryland there's many many many more

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fantastic meetup scheduled and I do apologize to

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the Outer Swamp somehow they'd slipped through the

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crack so make sure if you're in Rockville

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Maryland or in Spookville Nation over there to

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go to Java Nation six o'clock on

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Wednesday and as I said many more including

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Tokyo on January 25th Tokyo Japan I'm sure

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there'll be some some no agenda celebrities there

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you can find every single meetup listed well

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into this year at noagenda meetups calm go

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ahead if you can't find one there start

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one yourself it's real easy y'all it's

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just like a party only noisier there you

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go I think I brought some ISOs this

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is we're in the moment of the show

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we like to play some fun little ditties

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that well this is it this is really

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the true meeting we have the only meeting

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we have on the show is this and

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we do it in public I have two

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ISOs do you have any ISOs I have

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one but I have to preface it with

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the clip for that move from which I

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drew the ISO no well let's do that

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first so I have so I'm listening to

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NPR no surprise and there's these and they're

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talking about this guy is this kind of

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03:25:15,630 --> 03:25:17,410
low-key guy I mean like this is

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gonna be my new term for the guys

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03:25:21,190 --> 03:25:27,050
and so these low-key guys so this

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03:25:27,050 --> 03:25:28,810
guy's going on and on about this show

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03:25:28,810 --> 03:25:32,830
on on Apple called severance oh yeah I

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think I saw a couple episodes very creepy

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03:25:35,490 --> 03:25:38,310
it's about it's about a company that shoots

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03:25:38,310 --> 03:25:39,890
you in the head with a drill your

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03:25:39,890 --> 03:25:42,590
brain and then pretty much yeah makes it

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03:25:42,590 --> 03:25:44,410
so you can you don't remember anything you

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03:25:44,410 --> 03:25:46,450
did at work because it's a spook operation

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03:25:46,450 --> 03:25:49,210
have you have you watched the new squid

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03:25:49,210 --> 03:25:52,610
game no I'm not gonna watch this there's

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03:25:52,610 --> 03:25:53,570
only so many hours in a day I'm

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03:25:53,570 --> 03:25:56,930
not watching squid anything I'm not gonna shoot

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03:25:56,930 --> 03:26:02,750
a squid gun so so forget it I'm

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03:26:02,750 --> 03:26:05,630
forgotten so this guy goes on he's he's

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gonna tell you he's gonna bring these guys

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on and it just goes right to the

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end where when he brings these two people

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on I know after listening to this intro

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03:26:13,110 --> 03:26:15,790
to these two people which I cut out

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03:26:15,790 --> 03:26:18,290
to make my ISO that I'm never gonna

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03:26:18,290 --> 03:26:21,030
watch this this show severance but here you

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03:26:21,030 --> 03:26:23,330
listen to this severance is now back for

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03:26:23,330 --> 03:26:26,430
its highly anticipated second season on Apple TV

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plus and for people like me who got

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03:26:28,110 --> 03:26:30,430
obsessed with season 1 the follow-up season

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03:26:30,430 --> 03:26:33,230
has a lot of questions to answer it

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03:26:33,230 --> 03:26:35,710
goes deeper into the shadowy corporation of lumen

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03:26:35,710 --> 03:26:38,010
the life-and-death mysteries and the romances

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03:26:38,010 --> 03:26:40,530
driving the plot if you don't want the

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03:26:40,530 --> 03:26:42,550
first season spoiled or to hear even mild

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03:26:42,550 --> 03:26:44,350
hints about the second season consider this your

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03:26:44,350 --> 03:26:46,310
warning because we're about to get into it

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03:26:46,310 --> 03:26:48,610
with some of the show's breakout stars Tramiel

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03:26:48,610 --> 03:26:50,950
Tillman and Britt Lauer welcome to you both

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03:26:50,950 --> 03:26:52,910
thank you for having us thank you for

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having us let me guess what your ISO

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03:26:57,070 --> 03:26:59,070
is thank you for having us thank you

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03:26:59,070 --> 03:27:03,030
for having us oh man that's just so

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03:27:03,030 --> 03:27:06,590
creepy yeah that is kind of creepy by

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03:27:06,590 --> 03:27:10,370
the way we finished diplomat the second season

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03:27:10,370 --> 03:27:14,650
yeah great you liked it yeah I really

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did where was it what was it it

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03:27:17,090 --> 03:27:23,750
was published I think it's on Netflix yeah

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03:27:23,750 --> 03:27:25,490
I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix Mimi's got

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03:27:25,490 --> 03:27:27,710
something on Netflix she's watching to that she's

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all raving about well not to check these

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no you got it you can't just leave

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03:27:31,750 --> 03:27:34,610
us hanging like that I don't ask her

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03:27:34,610 --> 03:27:37,290
again as she says I am watching the

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03:27:37,290 --> 03:27:39,770
show you know what show you some shows

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03:27:39,770 --> 03:27:42,370
by the way it's something you I'm like

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03:27:42,370 --> 03:27:44,390
the wine guy hey I had a great

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03:27:44,390 --> 03:27:46,030
bottle of wine what was it called I

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03:27:46,030 --> 03:27:49,250
don't know it's not where's it publishes where

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03:27:49,250 --> 03:27:52,070
did it drop all right I'm not dropping

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03:27:52,070 --> 03:27:56,470
nothing it's a smell that stays with you

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03:27:56,470 --> 03:28:00,570
huh well that's kind of I think disparaging

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okay how about this one then stay tuned

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03:28:03,030 --> 03:28:10,710
exclamation mark I'm so stupid about that when

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03:28:10,710 --> 03:28:11,810
I hit I think we have to go

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03:28:11,810 --> 03:28:13,290
you know why you know what it is

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03:28:13,290 --> 03:28:16,430
is people who do tech voice to text

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03:28:16,430 --> 03:28:18,330
you have to do you have to talk

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03:28:18,330 --> 03:28:21,130
like that stay tuned exclamation mark so that

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those are the so the Siri picks it

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up and does the exclamation mark stay tuned

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03:28:26,130 --> 03:28:30,310
exclamation mark yeah it's pretty good right yeah

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03:28:30,310 --> 03:28:42,770
that's fine JCD

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03:28:42,770 --> 03:28:47,190
and sometimes well this one actually came in

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03:28:47,190 --> 03:28:49,730
from one of our producers stepped on his

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03:28:49,730 --> 03:28:51,510
credit by the way stepped on his credit

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03:28:51,510 --> 03:28:55,030
it comes in at the end again okay

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03:28:55,030 --> 03:28:57,410
just saying and by that stepping on credits

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03:28:57,410 --> 03:28:59,250
isn't is not new to him hey I

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03:28:59,250 --> 03:29:02,290
don't have he's had his credits removed and

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03:29:02,290 --> 03:29:04,670
then put back and then he sued the

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03:29:04,670 --> 03:29:07,890
producers guild then quit the guild because he

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was or you know he has your number

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03:29:14,130 --> 03:29:16,890
not mine is your number it calls and

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03:29:16,890 --> 03:29:22,170
yells yeah so this came in from one

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03:29:22,170 --> 03:29:25,590
of our producers sir Bates and he says

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03:29:25,590 --> 03:29:29,050
I heard the audible complaint on NAS 1730

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03:29:29,050 --> 03:29:30,730
here's a tip and this is good tip

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03:29:30,730 --> 03:29:32,330
by the lot of people gave me this

5529
03:29:32,330 --> 03:29:33,950
tip a lot of people this is a

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03:29:33,950 --> 03:29:37,350
great tip yeah I've been an audible user

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03:29:37,350 --> 03:29:40,430
since before Amazon the before the Amazon acquisition

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03:29:40,430 --> 03:29:43,750
and users can download files from your library

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03:29:43,750 --> 03:29:47,310
the downloadable use is is the a ax

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03:29:47,310 --> 03:29:50,110
extension which is not usable outside of audible

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03:29:50,110 --> 03:29:53,490
I use open audible which you can get

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03:29:53,490 --> 03:29:57,450
at open audible.com to convert from a

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03:29:57,450 --> 03:30:01,190
ax to mp3 for my iPod or other

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03:30:01,190 --> 03:30:04,350
mp3 player yep you can also connect open

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03:30:04,350 --> 03:30:06,810
audible to your audible account to download your

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03:30:06,810 --> 03:30:09,070
library directly this is why you have the

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03:30:09,070 --> 03:30:11,290
account you download the library as a bunch

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03:30:11,290 --> 03:30:13,590
of ax as you convert them directly to

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03:30:13,590 --> 03:30:16,650
your local drive and then you convert mp3s

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03:30:16,650 --> 03:30:18,110
and they can't and and then you can

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03:30:18,110 --> 03:30:19,670
put them on tour and share with you

5546
03:30:19,670 --> 03:30:22,030
do anything you want but this is a

5547
03:30:22,030 --> 03:30:25,410
workaround for that complaint you had on the

5548
03:30:25,410 --> 03:30:28,050
last show which is you cancel your subscription

5549
03:30:28,050 --> 03:30:30,110
for 10 minutes and all your audio books

5550
03:30:30,110 --> 03:30:31,710
were gone yeah it turns out there's a

5551
03:30:31,710 --> 03:30:33,990
lot of different apps that do this but

5552
03:30:33,990 --> 03:30:36,530
I the most frequently recommended one was indeed

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03:30:36,530 --> 03:30:38,890
open audible and I hope we're not violating

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03:30:38,890 --> 03:30:42,730
some some severe copyright issue by by promoting

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03:30:42,730 --> 03:30:46,190
this in your tip of the day well

5556
03:30:46,190 --> 03:30:50,030
it's getting dark what does that mean the

5557
03:30:50,030 --> 03:30:52,850
tips are getting darker we got ways of

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03:30:52,850 --> 03:30:57,970
violating privacy and your house that thing was

5559
03:30:57,970 --> 03:31:00,450
that you know people have sent me so

5560
03:31:00,450 --> 03:31:04,590
many extra sites that also have this yeah

5561
03:31:04,590 --> 03:31:07,370
there's information it's called the internet yeah but

5562
03:31:07,370 --> 03:31:10,030
yet the Supreme Court can oodle on forever

5563
03:31:10,030 --> 03:31:13,690
about tick-tock how about this is going

5564
03:31:13,690 --> 03:31:16,190
let's get rid of these websites first there

5565
03:31:16,190 --> 03:31:17,530
it is everybody John C.

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03:31:17,670 --> 03:31:19,930
Dvorak's tip of the day created by Dana

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03:31:19,930 --> 03:31:29,470
Brunetti and sometimes at all

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03:31:29,470 --> 03:31:32,390
created by Dana Brunetti there you go see

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03:31:32,390 --> 03:31:34,170
I leave the credits in I don't know

5570
03:31:34,170 --> 03:31:35,670
I don't want any hassle from that guy

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03:31:35,670 --> 03:31:37,990
man he's got a cyber truck you know

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03:31:37,990 --> 03:31:39,830
could roll over me does have a cyber

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03:31:39,830 --> 03:31:41,830
truck into someone that's why he's all up

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03:31:41,830 --> 03:31:43,950
Elon's butt could go to cyber truck it's

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03:31:43,950 --> 03:31:46,930
great make sure it doesn't explode all right

5576
03:31:46,930 --> 03:31:49,950
don't worry Elon will catch you with his

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03:31:49,950 --> 03:31:54,950
tick chopstick zilla whatever it's called chopstick hey

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03:31:54,950 --> 03:31:58,230
that does it for our broadcast day thank

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03:31:58,230 --> 03:32:01,170
you very much for sharing it with us

5580
03:32:01,170 --> 03:32:03,150
of course we do this as a public

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03:32:03,150 --> 03:32:05,630
service under the value for value model go

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03:32:05,630 --> 03:32:07,810
look it up value number four value dot

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03:32:07,810 --> 03:32:10,510
info and you'll see that all you have

5584
03:32:10,510 --> 03:32:12,310
to do is send back some time talent

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03:32:12,310 --> 03:32:15,670
and treasure and we're good to go keep

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03:32:15,670 --> 03:32:18,630
that keep it good for yourself you know

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03:32:18,630 --> 03:32:21,030
you you give you'll get back tenfold so

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03:32:21,030 --> 03:32:23,870
I'm told coming up next on no agenda

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03:32:23,870 --> 03:32:26,430
stream and troll room dot IO canary cry

5590
03:32:26,430 --> 03:32:28,950
news ah canary cry news talk yeah those

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03:32:28,950 --> 03:32:31,630
guys are great big no agenda fans and

5592
03:32:31,630 --> 03:32:33,750
we have end of show mixes from secret

5593
03:32:33,750 --> 03:32:36,510
agent Paul we've got Leo the puke and

5594
03:32:36,510 --> 03:32:38,850
the clip custodian Neil Jones we'll see you

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03:32:38,850 --> 03:32:43,970
on Thursday happy Presidents Day everybody enjoy your

5596
03:32:43,970 --> 03:32:46,930
new president till then adios mofos I'm Adam

5597
03:32:46,930 --> 03:32:50,450
Curry and from northern Silicon Valley where I

5598
03:32:50,450 --> 03:32:53,230
remain I'm John C Dvorak we'll be back

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03:32:53,230 --> 03:32:56,430
on Thursday remember us no agenda donations calm

5600
03:32:56,430 --> 03:32:59,530
adios mofos who we who we inside I'm

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03:32:59,530 --> 03:33:01,850
not gonna be a mule I got something

5602
03:33:01,850 --> 03:33:02,970
to do I gotta go do boom boom

5603
03:33:02,970 --> 03:33:04,370
boom this is my wife this is my

5604
03:33:04,370 --> 03:33:06,810
sister they switched on me the Equal Rights

5605
03:33:06,810 --> 03:33:09,650
Amendment it's the 28th Amendment to the Constitution

5606
03:33:09,650 --> 03:33:12,590
now I would eliminate the capital gains tax

5607
03:33:12,590 --> 03:33:14,410
that and I would I would raise the

5608
03:33:14,410 --> 03:33:16,410
capital gains tax come on man come on

5609
03:33:16,410 --> 03:33:18,490
man my long friend time friend and she's

5610
03:33:18,490 --> 03:33:20,290
a friend she's been my friend have you

5611
03:33:20,290 --> 03:33:22,850
taken a cognitive no I haven't taken the

5612
03:33:22,850 --> 03:33:24,370
test why the hell would I take a

5613
03:33:24,370 --> 03:33:27,050
test my physical mental philt my physical as

5614
03:33:27,050 --> 03:33:28,850
well as my mental philt fitness is a

5615
03:33:28,850 --> 03:33:30,870
line dog face pony so former mayor of

5616
03:33:30,870 --> 03:33:33,430
Massachusetts president has a big stick the president

5617
03:33:33,430 --> 03:33:35,710
has no intercourse whatsoever I was ready to

5618
03:33:35,710 --> 03:33:40,330
prostitute myself in with with I don't know

5619
03:33:40,330 --> 03:33:42,910
make sure you have the record player on

5620
03:33:42,910 --> 03:33:44,790
a night I'm sick and tired of smart

5621
03:33:44,790 --> 03:33:46,830
guys I want to be clear I'm not

5622
03:33:46,830 --> 03:33:50,510
going nuts they're coming to take me away

5623
03:33:50,510 --> 03:33:52,770
ha ha they're coming to take me away

5624
03:33:52,770 --> 03:33:56,850
ha ha which is truth over facts anyway

5625
03:33:56,850 --> 03:34:00,970
and um um what am I doing here

5626
03:34:00,970 --> 03:34:04,070
they're coming to take me away the fact

5627
03:34:04,070 --> 03:34:06,830
is that I don't remember she was 12

5628
03:34:06,830 --> 03:34:08,710
I was 30 I want the press to

5629
03:34:08,710 --> 03:34:13,910
know that wasn't me Trump Trump Trump is

5630
03:34:13,910 --> 03:34:16,890
telling us what he intends to do Trump

5631
03:34:16,890 --> 03:34:22,470
Trump Trump means to throw people in jail

5632
03:34:22,470 --> 03:34:29,140
who disagree with him Trump listen to what

5633
03:34:29,140 --> 03:34:31,480
he says because he's telling us what he

5634
03:34:31,480 --> 03:34:39,260
will do he says let's remove all doubt

5635
03:34:39,260 --> 03:34:41,820
this is what I'm about this is what

5636
03:34:41,820 --> 03:34:51,740
I'm about he will execute whoever he's allowed

5637
03:34:55,170 --> 03:35:03,420
take him at his word boom predilection predilection

5638
03:35:03,420 --> 03:35:12,800
for revenge revenge look at his past boom

5639
03:35:17,740 --> 03:35:20,060
Trump Trump Trump is telling us what he

5640
03:35:20,060 --> 03:35:25,700
intends to do he has to be eliminated

5641
03:35:26,880 --> 03:35:28,760
you couldn't carry my husband out of a

5642
03:35:28,760 --> 03:35:31,280
fire which my response is he got himself

5643
03:35:31,280 --> 03:35:32,580
in the wrong place if I have to

5644
03:35:32,580 --> 03:35:34,900
carry him out of a fire all the

5645
03:35:34,900 --> 03:35:38,220
trees burned down all the trees burned down

5646
03:35:38,220 --> 03:35:42,460
and the mayor's away And the mayor's awake

5647
03:35:43,160 --> 03:35:47,740
Gavin's doing podcasts Doing podcasts And the fire

5648
03:35:47,740 --> 03:35:52,200
chief's gay And the fire chief's gay Couldn't

5649
03:35:52,200 --> 03:35:55,420
get no help Couldn't get no help Cause

5650
03:35:55,420 --> 03:35:58,400
no one looks like me No one looks

5651
03:35:58,400 --> 03:36:04,600
like me California's burning California's burning The water's

5652
03:36:04,600 --> 03:36:07,460
gone to the sea Water's gone to the

5653
03:36:07,460 --> 03:36:13,180
sea Went up to a dam And I

5654
03:36:13,180 --> 03:36:18,580
jumped right in Well I landed on my

5655
03:36:18,580 --> 03:36:22,160
knees Landed on my knees When I intended

5656
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:25,980
to swim When I intended to swim The

5657
03:36:25,980 --> 03:36:29,020
smelter's safe and warm The smelter's safe and

5658
03:36:29,020 --> 03:36:32,380
warm The fire hydrants are dry The fire

5659
03:36:32,380 --> 03:36:38,760
hydrants are dry California's burning California's burning Because

5660
03:36:38,760 --> 03:36:42,080
of D.E.I. Because of D.E

5661
03:36:42,080 --> 03:36:46,300
.I. Just how woke is the L.A.

5662
03:36:46,400 --> 03:36:47,040
Fire Department?

5663
03:36:47,620 --> 03:36:49,520
You want to see somebody that responds to

5664
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:52,220
your house, your emergency Whether it's a medical

5665
03:36:52,220 --> 03:36:54,120
call or a fire call That looks like

5666
03:36:54,120 --> 03:36:56,020
you It gives that person a little bit

5667
03:36:56,020 --> 03:36:58,600
more ease Knowing that somebody might understand their

5668
03:36:58,600 --> 03:37:07,180
situation better The best podcast in the universe

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