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Well I'm here on the street and I

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don't know anything.

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I'm dumb, you can tell by listening to

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my voice and my accent.

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Adam Curry, John C.

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DeVora.

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It's Thursday, August 7, 2025.

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This is your award-winning Gimbal Nation Media

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Assassination Episode 1788.

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This is no agenda.

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Gerrymandering for joy.

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And broadcasting live from the heart of the

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Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number

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6.

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In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

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And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we're all

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wondering how Sidney Sweeney can still be in

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the news, I'm John C.

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DeVora.

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Really?

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Is that, is that, are you guys like

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behind in California?

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It's left, my news.

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Still talking about it?

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No, it's left, I haven't seen it.

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Oh, you have to go on MSN, you

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see, go ahead, oh no, MSN, just hit,

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get the browser.

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Get a browser.

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What's the name of that browser they got

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there at Microsoft that as soon as you

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hit it they play ads by the ton?

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The outlet.

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Clickbait.

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The clickbait browser.

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Edge, edge, edge.

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Yeah, edge, the edge clickbait browser.

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And it's not like they're trolling your computer

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to see what you're interested in.

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No, no, no, none of that.

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They don't have to, this stuff is too

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good.

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They know they want it.

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I, I have some sad news, actually.

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I was trying, desperately trying to create a

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show, Adam Curry and chat JCD.

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Oh yes, right, this is your challenge to

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get rid of me as you've been.

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Impossible.

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It turns out none of these chatbots can

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have a conversation.

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They only understand the question and answer model.

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So if I'm not asking a question or

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end my sentence with a then it will

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not respond.

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And everything it says, if it's just, you

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know, random, it ends with a question.

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It's like, it can't work alongside me and

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just chat.

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Does that make sense?

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Okay, there's a question.

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So it could answer that.

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But just this witty, witty banter we have,

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it's impossible.

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Well, it's solvable.

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It's not solvable.

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Yes, it is.

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It can be fixed.

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It will be fixed.

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How?

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Well, some, one of these, these geniuses will

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fix it.

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No, no, it's not meant for that.

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It is only, and if you look at

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every video, everything out there, it's not meant

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for that.

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That's kind of an interesting thing to say

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out of the blue.

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No, I, is that a strange thing I'm

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saying?

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Well, no, you might be right.

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It's meant for questions.

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Which means it's not solvable.

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No, it's meant for question and answer.

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It, it can't just, cause I've tried it

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and I'll just, and I give it the

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pre prompt, like just, just jump in whenever

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you hear a pause and it would jump

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in and would ask me a question.

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Like, I don't need your question.

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Just give me your opinion.

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Doesn't have opinions, has no opinions, opinions, but

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they're always couched in the form of a

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question or an answer.

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Yes, exactly.

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So it sucks.

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And I gave up too soon.

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I'm really disappointed because I was ready.

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I was ready.

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Well, you know, too bad.

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It does turn out that it's really good.

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it sounds like that, um, uh, what's the,

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uh, using my voice by the way.

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Oh, no, I didn't even get to that.

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I just use what I did say, try

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to sound a little effeminate.

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And it was like, Hey, Hey, darling.

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Hey, darling.

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I'm like, no, no, no, let's not do

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that.

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That didn't work.

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Uh, chat GPT and the GPTs are very

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good though.

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Apparently at job interviews, artificial intelligence might help

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you apply for a job.

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And as it turns out, it may also

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end up interviewing you.

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Some companies are relying on the technology to

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have initial conversations with candidates, claiming it saves

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them time and money.

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Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist

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position.

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Isn't that the guy from France 24?

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They use his voice.

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Welcome to the interview for those possession, man.

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I'd like seriously, but it doesn't, it doesn't

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stop.

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Wait a minute.

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What are you playing here?

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Is this what, if I call to get

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an interview, this is what I end up

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hearing on the phone.

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This is the pre-interview.

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Now they schedule an interview.

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I'm sure that's all AI schedule on the

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phone.

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Uh, well, it's a phone call over the

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computer.

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This is not made clear.

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Claiming it saves them time and money.

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Welcome to the interview for the marketing specialist

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position.

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We're excited to learn more about you and

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your background.

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I think the AI is incapable of being

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excited about anything.

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Latest job interview.

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She realized she was speaking to artificial intelligence.

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What was the clue?

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What was the giveaway?

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Was it something the way it spoke or

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that voice that you've heard a million times?

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I was caught off guard.

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I was shocked that it was asking such

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good follow-up questions.

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She says the AI was extremely polite, but

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she felt something was missing.

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There's no small talk, nothing personal.

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And I wasn't able to really tell if

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my answers were landing or not.

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These AI hiring bots can now screen shortlist

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and interview job applicants.

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It's set up like a zoom meeting.

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Candidates have a conversation with a synthetic voice.

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The AI will then summarize the call and

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score the candidates for someone at the hiring

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company to review.

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Do you have any questions about how this

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interview will go?

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For some applicants, AI can add confusion to

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the process.

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Maureen Green had to end an interview herself

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because the AI wouldn't stop talking.

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So at an hour in, I'm like, so

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I don't mean to interrupt, but, you know,

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it's been more than half an hour after

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the scheduled time of our interview.

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I just want to be mindful of your

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time, even though I'm like, it's an AI

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agent.

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There's a second.

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This is from CBC, by the way.

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I decided to give it a try and

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test the AI's reaction.

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Oh, deep journalistic effort.

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How much do you get paid?

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Ha ha.

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Well, I'm just here to help with the

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interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.

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But for this role, compensation details would be

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discussed.

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That ha ha is very sarcastic.

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Yeah, it was.

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It was rude.

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Borderline rude.

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I think so.

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Ha ha.

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Ha ha.

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Ha ha.

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Ha ha.

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Ha ha.

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Ho ho to the funny farm.

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Ha ha.

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Well, I'm just here to help with the

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interview process, so I don't have a paycheck.

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But for this role, compensation details would be

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discussed later in the hiring process.

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Anything else you're curious about?

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My conversation went pretty smoothly with no glitches,

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though I probably didn't score the job.

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There are a handful of startups working on

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this software.

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One of them, Toronto-based Ribbon AI, was

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founded just two years ago.

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CEO Arsham Garimani says he already has 400

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customers.

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I do think this will become the norm

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for a lot of industries.

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So I think like a manufacturer, really large

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restaurant chains.

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These are all areas where it's often really

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hard to hire for those roles.

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He says the AI recruiter works around the

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clock, so it saves employers from running hundreds

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of interviews a day.

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And it frees up human employees from tedious

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tasks like scheduling.

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Though Garimani insists humans make the final call

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on hiring.

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I think a lot of people are scared

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because AI is getting so good so fast.

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And I understand those fears there.

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But I think ultimately, humans are always making

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decisions.

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I think they'll always be a human in

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the loop.

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Still, it's clear as more companies embrace the

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technology, who knows what's next?

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Workers will have to expect changes too.

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No, no, you're going to wind up hiring

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crap candidates.

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This is so...

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There'll be a little pamphlet or a book

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or something on how to beat the AI

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because there'll be two or three companies that

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set the systems up.

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And so they'll all have the same flaws.

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So once the flaws are exploited, the smart

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money will get all the jobs.

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There's not even smart money, it's just people

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that looked up the right way to do

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it.

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This whole thing, I mean, do you want

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to stick on AI?

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Because I have a lot.

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We can come back to it later if

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you prefer.

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I'm happy to do it now.

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And there's some funny stuff.

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My whole thing, I want to do these

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Vax Clips, but I...

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Oh, well, I got a lot of Vax

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Clips too.

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We're Vax Crazy, man.

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We're going back to Vax.

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I would like to start the Vax Clips

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because I think you're going to have a

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hard time beating NPR.

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But at the same time...

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Hold on, let me see.

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I think I have NPR Vax Clips.

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Let me see.

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Well, I don't actually.

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It may be...

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I'll tell you what, because it's top of

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mind, and as we know, the M5M is

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completely owned by Big Pharma.

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They are the largest advertiser by over 70

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% of revenue.

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The amount of scripted stuff, it is so

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disgusting.

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I didn't...

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I want to set you up.

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I want to set you up.

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Okay, I was just going to say that

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this trickles down to local.

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Oh, it trickles down to everywhere.

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But I think the most important thing we

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can do for our No Agenda producers is

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go to the origin, the origin being the

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actual statement Robert F.

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Kennedy Jr. made.

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He made a statement.

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I...

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Please don't, because it's the punchline to my

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NPR Clips.

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Okay, do your NPR Clips and screw y

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'all.

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Go find it yourself.

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No, it'll be in here.

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It's all in here.

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Well, yeah, okay.

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Okay, let's do it.

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It's all in here except for the good

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part.

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Well, yeah, that's why I wanted to play

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the whole thing.

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No, no, the good part.

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That's the punchline.

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Really, take my word for it.

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I'm taking your word for it.

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It's the last clip.

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It's the...

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You know what?

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You know, Chad JCD would just say, sure,

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Adam, go ahead.

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You're the mom.

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Yeah, I know.

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That's the reason that I'm here.

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Go for it.

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This is the part they left out, but

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they go through the whole thing.

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This is terrible.

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This is NPR, and I want to mention

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this in advance.

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These people wanted government money, taxpayer money, to

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produce what is nothing less than...

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It used to only be called drivel.

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And the people that they brought on, it's

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just...

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It's an apology for the whole big pharma.

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Let's play these clips, starting with clip one.

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The Department of Health and Human Services is

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cancelling almost a half billion dollars in federal

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contracts that were meant to develop new mRNA

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vaccines.

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It's the latest step that the administration has

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taken to curtail vaccine development and availability.

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To curtail.

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Okay, I had to stop it here.

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They've taken steps to curtail availability?

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Haven't we discussed this on the show a

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million times, that that's bullcrap?

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All they're doing is keeping people from getting

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it for free, maybe?

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You can always get these vaccines.

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Yes, that is what we call a lie.

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Yes, a lie.

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So they start off the entire presentation with

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a blatant lie.

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Yes.

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The administration is trying to curtail availability.

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That's what she said.

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I heard it.

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I heard it.

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We should defund them.

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Oh, wait.

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Let's go to two.

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Curtail vaccine development and availability.

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The move has alarmed, alarmed, alarmed public health

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experts and PR health correspondent Rob Stein joins

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us now to explain.

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Hi, Rob.

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Hey there.

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Hi.

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Hey there.

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Hey, so hey, so I don't want to

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exaggerate here, but.

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Okay, so the reason you really want to

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play your clips is you put five hours

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worth of work into editing these things to

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ridicule these poor people who are just reading

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scripts to start off with.

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But okay.

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Hey, hey, Adam.

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That's okay.

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But go ahead, Kara.

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Hey there.

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Hey there.

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Hey, so hey, so I don't want to

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exaggerate here, but this sounds like a huge

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blow, blow, blow to the development of mRNA

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technology, right?

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Like what exactly did the Trump administration announce

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here?

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Yeah, it's a huge blow.

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The mRNA technology is what made the most

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commonly used COVID-19 vaccines available so fast.

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Holy crap.

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This guy is great.

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Where did he come from?

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Does he work for NPR?

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You don't get enough ad noise.

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He just can't breathe.

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Did he come from the podcast side of

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the house?

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It's interesting.

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But Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

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Kennedy Jr. says the Biomedical Advanced Research and

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Development Authority, known as BARDA, is canceling a

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slew of federal contracts that were meant to

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develop mRNA technology to protect the country against

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respiratory viruses that could cause the next pandemic

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and other threats.

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Let's listen to a little of what Kennedy

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said in this video.

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It's so hard to take this guy seriously.

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And other threats.

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Oh, announcement.

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After extensive review, BARDA has begun the process

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of terminating these 22 contracts, totaling just under

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$500 million.

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And this comes after Kennedy had already canceled

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more than $700 million in contracts to develop

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an mRNA vaccine to protect against flu viruses

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that could cause the next outbreak, like, you

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know, the bird flu.

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Yeah, wait, so did he say why he's

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doing all this?

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Well, you know, Kennedy has long questioned the

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safety of these vaccines, and he's also saying

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the effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines leaves something

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to be desired.

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As the pandemic showed us, mRNA vaccines don't

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perform well against viruses that infect the upper

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respiratory tract.

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And Kennedy goes much further, claiming the mRNA

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vaccines actually speed the evolution of the virus

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and can't keep up with new mutations.

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Yeah.

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OK.

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All right.

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Well, they go.

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First of all, they're taking these selective clips

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from the Kennedy talk.

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Yes, very much.

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And then they're extrapolating, which is what you

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do.

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And then and they're doing it in such

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a way that it's like the guy's a

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maniac.

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This Kennedy guy is vaccine has.

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We know it's not true.

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We just we can't prove the to the

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to the contrary.

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But we all know it's not true.

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He's anti-vax.

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Yeah, because he's anti-vax.

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We know that that's the problem with this

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guy.

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After reviewing the science and consulting top experts

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at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that

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mRNA technology poses more risk and benefits for

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these respiratory viruses.

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Hold on.

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How are public health experts?

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Hold on.

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I'm a newsreader.

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I know a lot about this stuff.

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Hold on.

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It's safe and effective.

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I mean, hold on.

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How are public health experts responding to that?

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Yeah, they're saying that none of what Kennedy

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claims is true.

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Yes, none of it.

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Not a single bit of it.

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I know this is the this is the

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memo that went out.

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None of it is true.

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None of it.

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None of it.

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Yeah, there's tons of evidence to the contrary.

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A new report just came out from Japan

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showing the rate of deaths of people that

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got the shot is higher than the rate

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of deaths of people that didn't get the

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shot to an extreme.

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But none of it's true.

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None of it.

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None of it.

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Not a single word of it.

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Well, who do you think they're going to

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bring in to talk about this?

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Please let it be Hotez.

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No.

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Hotez is only network TV.

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Hotez is only network TV.

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He's very rarely on NPR.

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That's too bad.

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Yeah, but this guy's better.

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Really?

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Better than Hotez?

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OK, here we go.

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According to the experts I talked to today,

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there is overwhelming evidence that the mRNA COVID

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vaccines are very safe and that they continue

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to protect people against severe illness, even as

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the coronavirus evolves and that they've saved millions

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of lives.

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Here's Michael Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.

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The progenitor of everything.

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The guy who came on just before I

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was on Rogan telling us that two million

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people were going to die overnight.

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Ah!

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This may be the most dangerous.

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Oh, by the way, got COVID himself and

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has been, oh, he says long COVID, which

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I think is a vax injury.

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A couple of times, I think.

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I think is a vax injury.

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And don't pay no attention to that.

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Osterholm from the University of Minnesota.

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This may be the most dangerous public health

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judgment that I've seen in my 50 years

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in this business.

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It is baseless and we will pay a

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tremendous.

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How old is he?

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Well, he's probably 70 then.

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He's been in the business for 50 years.

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Now, if he was 20, you can get

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in the business when you're 20.

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You can't you can't get your medical degree

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by the time you're.

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No, no, in the business, the business of

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health, the health care business doesn't mean you

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have to be an MD.

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I could be in the health care business

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without an MD for 50 years.

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He's 72.

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He's 72.

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OK, all right.

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All right.

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I doable.

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I concede.

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I concede.

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It's baseless and we will pay a tremendous

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price, both in terms of illnesses and deaths.

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I'm extremely worried about it because also he

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says this leaves the nation without the quickest

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response to a new pandemic.

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And also many say abandoning MRNA technology leaves

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the country more vulnerable to bioterrorism.

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Here's Chris Meekins.

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He's a bio defense official in the first

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Trump administration.

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This is a tell.

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This is a tell.

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You know, the whole one of the main

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theories that this was a bioweapon test gone

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wrong and that the MRNA shots were there

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as the antidote.

561
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,300
Is it tell when people are coming out?

562
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,000
Well, you know, it's like we're open to

563
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,580
bioterrorism now without that.

564
00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:27,160
Also, that awesome MRNA technology.

565
00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,940
Well, don't forget, we had the clips from

566
00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:32,720
Malone that was that discussed the fact that

567
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,820
this was the CIA's answer.

568
00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:36,220
CIA funded it.

569
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,520
Funded answer to bioterrorism.

570
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,980
And they wanted to create a platform and

571
00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,100
to use the word platform.

572
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,580
Yes, platform.

573
00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:45,960
Yes.

574
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:48,360
Well, I could stop anything.

575
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,340
But the problem with the platform and they

576
00:18:50,340 --> 00:18:53,240
were the two the adenovirus platform was the

577
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,420
other one that was competitive.

578
00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:56,360
That caused the blood clot.

579
00:18:56,420 --> 00:18:58,980
Their platform is equal to I was going

580
00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:00,700
to say OS2, but that was actually kind

581
00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:01,060
of good.

582
00:19:01,980 --> 00:19:08,520
It's basically Windows 3.1. I think it's

583
00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,340
a platform that doesn't that's that's no good.

584
00:19:11,420 --> 00:19:12,580
It's got documentation.

585
00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:15,080
All the documentation is coming out is against

586
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,320
it.

587
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,160
But these guys are fighting back there.

588
00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:19,800
I don't know why they're fighting back to

589
00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:20,580
such an extreme.

590
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,500
They either got something planned.

591
00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:23,560
I don't like it.

592
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,080
First Trump administration.

593
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,620
I think that it endangers the national security

594
00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:29,840
of the United States.

595
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,140
It could put the U.S. at a

596
00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:36,140
strategic national security disadvantage and would be a

597
00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:38,760
significant threat to the national security of the

598
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,560
United States because the U.S. will no

599
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,060
longer have the most powerful.

600
00:19:43,940 --> 00:19:45,360
He's got two reasons.

601
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,420
If you go back it up, there's two

602
00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:50,060
reasons that that's a problem.

603
00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:53,140
One, it's a national security threat.

604
00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:56,680
And two, it's a national security threat to

605
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,440
the United States.

606
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,560
Right.

607
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,480
Because we won't have the same exact thing.

608
00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:02,100
What is he saying?

609
00:20:02,260 --> 00:20:04,000
Is there was because of this and that,

610
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,100
and they're both the same national security threat,

611
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,400
national security threat.

612
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,940
Now you're just mutinous.

613
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,680
OK, it's OK.

614
00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:12,220
We got we got frustration.

615
00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:15,680
I think that it endangers the national security

616
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:16,920
of the United States.

617
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,240
It could put the U.S. at a

618
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,220
strategic national security disadvantage and would be a

619
00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:25,840
significant threat to the national security of the

620
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,640
United States because the U.S. will no

621
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,900
longer have the most powerful deterrent effective vaccines

622
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:33,300
that could be deployed quickly.

623
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,000
Now, Kennedy says the government instead plans to

624
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,840
invest in another technology that uses whole viruses

625
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:39,980
that have been killed.

626
00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:42,580
He says that works better because it produces

627
00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:43,960
natural immunity.

628
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,000
But the whole virus technology is much older

629
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,740
and has had some safety issues that isn't

630
00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:52,400
nearly as nimble as the mRNA technology.

631
00:20:53,180 --> 00:20:55,640
That is NPR health correspondent Rob Stein.

632
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,420
Thank you, Rob.

633
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,840
OK, so this guy, this was so bad.

634
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,120
It was an embarrassment.

635
00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:07,160
NPR should be ashamed of itself for this

636
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,720
presentation.

637
00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:09,780
And they played these clips from Kennedy.

638
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,460
But the one clip they left out, which

639
00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:13,820
is this one, which is part of the

640
00:21:13,820 --> 00:21:16,140
big clip that you have and I want

641
00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:17,640
to play this clip because this is the

642
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,220
clip that they they this is editing by

643
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,340
omission where you leave something out so you

644
00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:26,520
can tell your story, but your story is

645
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,540
bullcrap because you left something out and what

646
00:21:28,540 --> 00:21:29,960
you left out is the good clip.

647
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,200
And this is the Vax Kennedy clip left

648
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,620
out.

649
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,640
One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.

650
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,460
This dynamic drives a phenomenon called antigenic shift,

651
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,640
meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations

652
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,900
and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus

653
00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:52,400
constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of

654
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:52,980
the vaccine.

655
00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:55,360
Yeah, that was a very important part of

656
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:55,960
his presentation.

657
00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:58,800
That was to me the most important part.

658
00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:01,500
Well, what he said, other things.

659
00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:02,920
I mean, I can play it, but.

660
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,420
Yeah, well, you might as well play the

661
00:22:04,420 --> 00:22:06,120
whole thing now so we can actually hear

662
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:10,140
what he said instead of the NPR propaganda.

663
00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:13,200
And by the way, they were they were

664
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,420
amongst the worst.

665
00:22:14,620 --> 00:22:16,180
But then when I heard my local news

666
00:22:16,180 --> 00:22:20,060
report from KTVU, it was probably worse.

667
00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:22,540
Do you have a clip?

668
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:23,380
No.

669
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,080
I mean, I could clip all day and

670
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:26,820
it'd be the same thing.

671
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,620
Just you know what it is.

672
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,940
It's just a bunch of promotion.

673
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:31,500
Well, promotion.

674
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,060
It's it's what is the term Hilton Knowles

675
00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:38,800
is crisis management is what it is because

676
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,960
they don't want people to stop getting any

677
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,540
vaccine.

678
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,820
You know, we don't want you to because,

679
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,000
you know, people are stupid.

680
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,280
They're all vaccines.

681
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:45,700
Not good.

682
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,620
Robert Kennedy said it.

683
00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:48,900
But MMR, MMR, it's a big one for

684
00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:49,100
us.

685
00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:50,440
We can't have them stop taking that.

686
00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:52,500
They have example after example.

687
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,200
I'm not happy with everything RFK Jr. said,

688
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:56,480
though.

689
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,580
Hi, it's Robert F.

690
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,280
Kennedy Jr. Once you go, hey, hi.

691
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,820
Oh, hey, everybody.

692
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:02,620
Hey, it's Bobby.

693
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:03,600
It's Bobby, everybody.

694
00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,060
You're HHS secretary.

695
00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:05,840
I like that.

696
00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:07,480
I'm your HHS secretary.

697
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,480
At HHS, we have a division called the

698
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,540
Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA.

699
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,160
BARDA drives some of our most advanced scientific

700
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:18,800
research.

701
00:23:19,380 --> 00:23:23,320
It funds developments of vaccines, drugs, diagnostics and

702
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,560
other tools to fight emerging diseases and national

703
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,220
health threats.

704
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,960
Over the past few weeks, BARDA reviewed 22

705
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,160
MRNA vaccine development investments and began canceling them.

706
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,680
Let me explain why.

707
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,600
Most of these shots are for flu or

708
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:39,940
COVID.

709
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,980
But as the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines

710
00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:46,860
don't perform well against viruses that infect the

711
00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:48,000
upper respiratory tract.

712
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,560
Here's the problem.

713
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,020
MRNA only codes for a small part of

714
00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:56,240
the viral proteins, usually a single antigen.

715
00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:59,940
One mutation and the vaccine becomes ineffective.

716
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,400
This dynamic drives a phenomena called antigenic shift,

717
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:09,540
meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations

718
00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:12,800
and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus

719
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,960
constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of

720
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,580
the vaccine.

721
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,860
Millions of people, maybe even you or someone

722
00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:24,340
you know, are dead, got the Omicron variant

723
00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:25,740
despite being vaccinated.

724
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,980
That's because a single mutation can make MRNA

725
00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:31,120
vaccines ineffective.

726
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,600
The same risk applies to flu.

727
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,600
After reviewing the science and consulting top experts

728
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,620
at NIH and FDA, HHS has determined that

729
00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:46,100
MRNA technology poses more risk than benefits for

730
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:47,380
these respiratory viruses.

731
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,040
Didn't hear that anywhere.

732
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,880
That's why after extensive review, BARDA has begun

733
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,780
the process of terminating these 22 contracts totaling

734
00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:58,420
just under $500 million.

735
00:24:59,140 --> 00:24:59,980
Now, wait for it.

736
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,660
To replace the troubled MRNA programs, we're prioritizing

737
00:25:03,660 --> 00:25:06,920
the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies.

738
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,320
Not liking this, Bobby.

739
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,500
Like a whole virus vaccines and novel platforms

740
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,720
that don't collapse.

741
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:14,720
New platforms.

742
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,100
When viruses mutate.

743
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,260
Let me be absolutely clear.

744
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:23,060
HHS supports safe, effective vaccines for every American

745
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:24,200
who wants them.

746
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,280
Yeah, keep that up.

747
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,660
Tell everyone this one is safe and effective.

748
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:28,960
Try that on us.

749
00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:31,640
That's why we're moving beyond the limitations of

750
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,720
MRNA for respiratory viruses and investing in better

751
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,340
solutions.

752
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Thank you.

753
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,760
Yeah, thank you.

754
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240
So and they're going for that one vaccine

755
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:41,860
for all.

756
00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:47,200
I don't like any of it.

757
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:49,480
But he has to do what he has

758
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,520
to do because he's under so much pressure

759
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,120
by the.

760
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,180
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

761
00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:54,660
He was.

762
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:55,880
I'm cutting.

763
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,480
No, I'm not accepting that.

764
00:25:57,940 --> 00:25:58,220
He was.

765
00:25:58,220 --> 00:26:00,200
He was like, oh, we're going to open

766
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,020
up the archives.

767
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,520
We're going to look at all the at

768
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,740
all the corruption.

769
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,480
OK, the three promises is what you're referring

770
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,340
to, including.

771
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,180
Yeah, we're going to really look at all

772
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:13,620
the damage that these vaccines have done and

773
00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:14,960
we're going to stop advertising.

774
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,700
He can't stop the advertising because it's all

775
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,780
editorializing as witnessed by this mini cut of

776
00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:25,360
four M5M reports, which are, of course, exactly

777
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,760
the same promote the makers that.

778
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,860
Well, hold on a second.

779
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,100
I know where you're going here, but you

780
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:33,660
can't stop the advertising.

781
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400
The advertising, the advertising is what drives the

782
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:37,840
editorial.

783
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,880
You can I would say here's the argument

784
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,440
you can make.

785
00:26:40,780 --> 00:26:42,460
OK, so there's no more advertising.

786
00:26:42,460 --> 00:26:44,040
So they're not going to pay us to

787
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,900
do editorials.

788
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:46,180
They're going to give us big bucks.

789
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,060
Yeah, to just do the straight, which is

790
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:48,860
what you're suggesting.

791
00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:51,640
But I don't think that you're going to

792
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,500
get away with that.

793
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,420
Oh, please.

794
00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:55,380
Yeah, I don't think so.

795
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,200
You've been on the take for those Amazon

796
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,220
tip of the days for months.

797
00:26:59,860 --> 00:27:00,800
No one knew it.

798
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:01,540
No one knew it.

799
00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:03,040
I should have a link.

800
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:04,400
I should have a special code.

801
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Code Bungino.

802
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,240
New at seven, the U.S. Health Department

803
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,900
says it plans to cancel contracts and cut

804
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,140
funding for some vaccines being developed to fight

805
00:27:14,140 --> 00:27:17,280
respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.

806
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:19,440
Health Secretary Robert F.

807
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Kennedy, Jr. now says 500 million dollars in

808
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760
vaccine development projects will be halted.

809
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:29,140
The 22 projects are led by major drug

810
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:30,980
makers like Pfizer and Moderna.

811
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,380
The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the.

812
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,700
Wait a minute, are you telling me that

813
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:42,800
Pfizer and Moderna who make billions and billions

814
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,980
in profits, this is right up your alley,

815
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,580
can't finance their own damn research.

816
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,440
Why are we why is the taxpayer picking

817
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,020
up the tab for this when they have

818
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,880
plenty of profits to do it and they're

819
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,620
going to make more money from our taxpayer

820
00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:58,040
funded research?

821
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:59,340
Is that what you're saying?

822
00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:00,840
Here's how the meeting went.

823
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,860
Hi, we're from Fiderna.

824
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,300
This is a new coalition.

825
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:06,800
And we want to talk to you about

826
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,180
editorial that, you know, we might just transfer

827
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:11,620
some money to some other department.

828
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,020
But Fiderna, we're very concerned about these contracts

829
00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:16,700
that have been canceled.

830
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:18,160
We want to keep our name out there

831
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,420
to make us look like the little guy,

832
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:22,580
like the big government is trying to come

833
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:23,220
down on us.

834
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,200
And you have to follow it up by

835
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,980
saying our product, Fiderna, our product was responsible

836
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,880
for really saving people's lives.

837
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:34,480
But say it a little softer.

838
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Two projects are led by major drug makers

839
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,120
like Pfizer and Moderna.

840
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:42,520
The targeted vaccines are credited with slowing the

841
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,460
2020 coronavirus pandemic.

842
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:45,240
That's perfect.

843
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,820
That's exactly the line I want.

844
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,300
Could you type that out for me so

845
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:49,600
I can give it to everybody else?

846
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:52,520
Kennedy says he wants the department to invest

847
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,700
in, quote, better solutions, but provided no details

848
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,140
on what those better solutions might be.

849
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Let's try the next guys.

850
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,220
The Department of Health and Human Services plans

851
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:04,560
to cancel contracts and pull funding for some

852
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,740
vaccines being developed to fight viruses like COVID

853
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:08,720
-19 and the flu.

854
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,460
Health Secretary Robert F.

855
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,940
Kennedy Jr. announced that $500, $500 million.

856
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:16,320
Oh, she flubbed.

857
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,620
Make good, make good.

858
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,120
I should say, worth of vaccine development projects

859
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,760
using Myrna technology.

860
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:22,280
Myrna!

861
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,540
Tell her it's MRNA.

862
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,560
It's not Myrna.

863
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:25,660
Tell her it's MRNA.

864
00:29:25,820 --> 00:29:26,920
She said Myrna.

865
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,560
I'm not paying for this spot.

866
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:29,460
This is ridiculous.

867
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:33,100
Worth of vaccine development projects using Myrna technology

868
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:33,960
will be halted.

869
00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:36,600
The 22 projects are led by major pharmaceutical

870
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,360
companies like Pfizer and Moderna.

871
00:29:39,060 --> 00:29:42,080
And these MRNA or Myrna vaccines are credited

872
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440
with slowing the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.

873
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,540
Kennedy wants the department.

874
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,320
What credited with slowing, credited with slowing the

875
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680
pandemic is the opposite of what is being

876
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,520
said by Kennedy.

877
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Invest in better solutions, but he provided no

878
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,580
details on what those better solutions might be.

879
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,480
No, no details.

880
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,560
No, they have plenty of details, but there's

881
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,080
no details.

882
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,980
No, it's a catchphrase.

883
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:02,500
All of this.

884
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:03,360
And let's do it again.

885
00:30:03,780 --> 00:30:06,840
Human Services is pulling $500 million worth of

886
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,220
vaccine development funding.

887
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:09,920
Secretary Robert F.

888
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,140
Kennedy Jr. said the 22 projects being halted

889
00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:15,060
all use MRNA technology.

890
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,700
That's the type of vaccine credited with slowing

891
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,020
the COVID-19 pandemic.

892
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:19,900
Excellent.

893
00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:20,160
Excellent.

894
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:21,820
Credited with very good.

895
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,140
But I didn't hear our names in there.

896
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,380
Kennedy said he wants the department to start

897
00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:28,300
investing in better solutions.

898
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520
The Department of Health and Human Services will

899
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,580
cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines

900
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:35,460
that are being developed to fight viruses like

901
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:37,200
COVID-19 and the flu.

902
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:39,860
According to AP News, this will impact 22

903
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:43,780
projects led by pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer and

904
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:44,160
Moderna.

905
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:47,040
While MRNA vaccines are credited with slowing the

906
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,840
2020 pandemic, Kennedy said he wants the department

907
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640
to move away from MRNA vaccines, calling on

908
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,680
the department to start investing in better solutions.

909
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,240
Yes, better solutions.

910
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,700
OK, so that's how it works.

911
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,560
But let's pull in some real editorial.

912
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,540
And if you really want to come across

913
00:31:04,540 --> 00:31:06,840
as credible and you're CBS and you're the

914
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,060
morning show, you bring in Dr. Selene Gounder,

915
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:14,060
who I believe the husband literally died.

916
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
I mean, it wasn't from a vax or

917
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,180
anything.

918
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:19,980
Wasn't that the guy, the sports reporter?

919
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:22,000
I'm pretty sure it was.

920
00:31:22,180 --> 00:31:22,460
Maybe.

921
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:23,860
Pounder, Gounder, not sure.

922
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,340
I'm sure.

923
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:25,120
I think it was.

924
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,660
The Trump administration is pulling half a billion

925
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:31,200
dollars in funding for MRNA vaccine research projects.

926
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,420
Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.

927
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Kennedy Jr. says the technology is too risky,

928
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,800
even though it's been widely used for COVID

929
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,320
vaccines.

930
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,940
Yes, Gounder, Grant Wall.

931
00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:43,900
He died at the World Cup in Qatar.

932
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,460
But, you know, it had nothing.

933
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,320
It was had nothing to do with safe

934
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,140
and effective vaccine.

935
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:50,000
Well, she gets paid money and she gets

936
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,560
paid money.

937
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,380
And, you know, what are you going to

938
00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:52,080
do at some point?

939
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,140
To hell with hubby.

940
00:31:53,140 --> 00:31:55,800
So to hell with hubby.

941
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:58,620
There's a show title.

942
00:31:59,220 --> 00:32:02,320
So there it still galls me.

943
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,520
It's just that these guys is the 500

944
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,980
million, which is a pittance compared to the

945
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,740
profits these drug companies make.

946
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040
It's just free money for them the way

947
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,800
they see it.

948
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,320
It's just like, oh, this is entitlement.

949
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,300
Oh, you know, you said you were going

950
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,880
to send us this free money.

951
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,340
We're going to use it for whatever.

952
00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:26,180
But where's our free money that we don't

953
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:28,360
really need for this research that we, you

954
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,140
know, we're just going to slam you because

955
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:31,380
you're not going to give us free money.

956
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:32,260
This is terrible.

957
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:37,000
This whole country is confounded with this kind

958
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,340
of.

959
00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:41,760
Entitled free money to these corporate entities that

960
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:42,640
don't deserve it.

961
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,640
Yeah, go get a podcast and work like

962
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,280
a normal person, doctor.

963
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,560
Let's bring in CBS News medical contributor Dr.

964
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,780
Celine Gounder, who is also editor at large

965
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:51,580
for Public Health.

966
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:53,780
They should say the widow, Dr. Celine Gounder.

967
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:54,220
KFF.

968
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,140
I'm sorry, I'm bad.

969
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,860
I'm that was that was bad.

970
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,820
I'm going to suffer.

971
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,180
Unnecessary roughness.

972
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:00,980
Dr. Gounder.

973
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,420
Good morning.

974
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Good morning.

975
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000
So what exactly is an MRNA vaccine and

976
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,040
why is this happening?

977
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,380
In the past, we have used what we

978
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:09,740
call whole virus vaccine.

979
00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:12,000
So this is 1.0 technology.

980
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,060
Stop the clip.

981
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,600
You're going to love this.

982
00:33:15,820 --> 00:33:20,680
Are they starting the entire lecture about MRNA

983
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,340
vaccines?

984
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:23,520
Over from scratch has been a reset.

985
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,580
Somebody hit the button.

986
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,280
Yes.

987
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,380
When did this happen?

988
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,680
Well, the minute Bobby came out and said

989
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
this, they have so they hit the reset

990
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,460
button.

991
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:33,780
And now we're going to go right back

992
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:37,300
to the beginning of the explanation for MRNA.

993
00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:37,900
Yes.

994
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,780
But or Myrna or whatever you want to

995
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:44,440
call Myrna from Fiderna.

996
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:48,640
She has a technology explanation for this, which

997
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,900
I think you will enjoy since you like

998
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,000
the term platform so much.

999
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,000
In the past, we have used what we

1000
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,380
call whole virus vaccine.

1001
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,880
So this is 1.0 technology.

1002
00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:00,020
1.0 technology.

1003
00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:01,200
It's not technology.

1004
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,560
It's biology.

1005
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:04,140
Wouldn't you agree?

1006
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:05,740
Chad, JCD.

1007
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Yes, it's biology.

1008
00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:12,780
Technology to me is always, you know, something

1009
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:16,080
that is well, well, that was anything that

1010
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,719
involves living organisms would be biology.

1011
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,500
Well, that is a 1.0 of this

1012
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:22,040
technology.

1013
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,480
Let's see what 2.0 is really a

1014
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,639
hundred year old technology.

1015
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,040
So a lot of your older vaccines were

1016
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,600
based on that.

1017
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:28,760
You would take the virus.

1018
00:34:29,139 --> 00:34:29,840
You would weaken it.

1019
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,679
You would kill it.

1020
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,600
And that's what you would use to get

1021
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,420
the immune response.

1022
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,639
The problem with that is you get a

1023
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:35,600
lot more side effects.

1024
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,260
And so over time, we've tried to be

1025
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:38,360
more and more specific.

1026
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,360
2.0 technology was to have a very

1027
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,580
specific protein.

1028
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,260
2.0 was the protein.

1029
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:46,380
2.0, 2.0. We went to 2

1030
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:47,480
.0. Okay.

1031
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:50,320
2.0 technology was to have a very

1032
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,420
specific protein.

1033
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:53,600
So for example, the spike protein in COVID.

1034
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,200
I want, I want, what is the latest

1035
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:58,660
iOS?

1036
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,360
I think it should be 18.6 at

1037
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,880
this point.

1038
00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:03,980
So I feel on par with my phone,

1039
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,560
with my vaccine technology.

1040
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,140
3.0 technology, which is mRNA.

1041
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,940
Just wait, stop.

1042
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,720
I forgot what was 2.0. I didn't

1043
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,420
get that part.

1044
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920
2.0 was using specific proteins.

1045
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,760
What vaccine, the name of vaccine that was

1046
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,160
that?

1047
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:22,480
What was the example?

1048
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:23,400
Let's listen.

1049
00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:25,540
The problem with that is you get a

1050
00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:26,480
lot more side effects.

1051
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,160
And so over time, we've tried to be

1052
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,300
more and more specific.

1053
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,260
2.0 technology was to have a very

1054
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:33,360
specific protein.

1055
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,560
So for example, the spike protein in COVID.

1056
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,340
I don't, she may be talking about the

1057
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:41,340
J and J, that they use the protein

1058
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:43,620
there, the spike protein.

1059
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:45,880
Or is that the mRNA?

1060
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,960
The fight during the myrna.

1061
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Sounds like the myrna to me.

1062
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,000
Cause that's what the deal is.

1063
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,140
Then let's listen closely to what 3.0

1064
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:52,380
is.

1065
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,900
3.0 technology, which is mRNA.

1066
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,680
Just to review a little bit of basic

1067
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,040
genetics.

1068
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,260
Your DNA, your cells produce mRNA using your

1069
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:02,560
DNA.

1070
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:03,580
So that's a code.

1071
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,120
mRNA is also a code.

1072
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,480
mRNA codes for.

1073
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:07,900
It's code, it's code.

1074
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,360
ChadGBT is going to write my myrna code.

1075
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:10,860
Protein.

1076
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:13,760
And it's, what the advantage of mRNA is,

1077
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,800
is it's much faster to make than a

1078
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,580
protein vaccine.

1079
00:36:16,580 --> 00:36:17,620
It's much more efficient.

1080
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,380
And so when you're in the middle of

1081
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:21,840
an emergency, like a COVID pandemic, you want

1082
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,420
the fastest thing possible.

1083
00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:25,240
Something that you don't have to wait years

1084
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:25,760
to develop.

1085
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,800
I think this is a very good development.

1086
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,220
I want all scientists involved in myrna.

1087
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,660
The fight during the scientists in myrna.

1088
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,320
I want them all to talk about this

1089
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,320
like it's technology.

1090
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:38,820
Because then I can say, yeah, it'll be

1091
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:40,320
just as great as windows.

1092
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,300
And everyone will go, oh, oh, maybe I

1093
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:44,200
don't want that.

1094
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:46,820
Because that's the truth of it.

1095
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,280
When is it going to be the Linux

1096
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,760
version?

1097
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,940
Well, that would be just getting COVID and

1098
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:53,460
lying down for a couple of days and

1099
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:54,100
getting back up.

1100
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,200
I got to tell you, the summer surge

1101
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,060
here is on.

1102
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,960
And we have a mix of people here

1103
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,160
in Fredericksburg.

1104
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:03,780
Oh, there's that sigh.

1105
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,880
I tested.

1106
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:06,880
I have COVID.

1107
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,480
Yeah, me too.

1108
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:09,320
I didn't test.

1109
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:11,420
I feel kind of crappy, but I'm getting

1110
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:12,380
better every day.

1111
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:14,240
Yeah, but I can't go out.

1112
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:16,080
What?

1113
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:19,320
I can't go out.

1114
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:20,400
I can't go out.

1115
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:21,240
I've been brainwashed.

1116
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,380
Yes.

1117
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,820
Yes.

1118
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:24,800
What is it?

1119
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Oh, it was full on purple.

1120
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,300
Okay.

1121
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,300
You got really severe.

1122
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:30,560
I don't even know what that means.

1123
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:33,180
The test was more purple than purple.

1124
00:37:33,220 --> 00:37:33,920
I don't know.

1125
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:34,760
I don't know.

1126
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:35,820
I've taken this test.

1127
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,100
It's never turned any color.

1128
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:38,260
It's a sigh up.

1129
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:39,580
Totally.

1130
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,880
I guess so.

1131
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,760
All right, let's continue.

1132
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,360
We should care about this now.

1133
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:43,760
Why?

1134
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,460
Yeah, good question.

1135
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,280
Why should we care about it?

1136
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:47,640
Why?

1137
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:49,540
I feel okay.

1138
00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:52,540
Well, you know, we are on the precipice

1139
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:54,840
potentially of another pandemic with H5N1.

1140
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,940
When was the last pandemic before this one?

1141
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,160
1918.

1142
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,780
So that's about 100 years, over 100 years.

1143
00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:05,880
Dude, we're on the press.

1144
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,980
When was the one before the 1918?

1145
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:09,260
Why are you arguing?

1146
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,360
This is CBS morning news.

1147
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,600
That is Gail, Oprah's girlfriend.

1148
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,300
Why are you arguing?

1149
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:17,700
I mean, did you argue with Ellen?

1150
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,240
So I can keep my job so I

1151
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,460
don't get kicked out by the chat thing

1152
00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:22,320
you're working on.

1153
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,500
Well, you know, we are on the precipice

1154
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,540
potentially of another pandemic with H5N1 bird flu.

1155
00:38:27,780 --> 00:38:29,640
And we have been watching this, tracking this

1156
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,040
for the last year or two.

1157
00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:34,140
These things are extremely unpredictable.

1158
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:36,160
Could we have a pandemic in the next

1159
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,200
month or two?

1160
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Could we have a pandemic in 10 years?

1161
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,640
We have no idea.

1162
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,460
But we need to be prepared is the

1163
00:38:42,460 --> 00:38:43,220
message here.

1164
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,980
Like my husband used to say in the

1165
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:46,040
Boy Scouts, be prepared.

1166
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,020
He was a Boy Scout.

1167
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:50,480
Well, okay, since you asked, I was going

1168
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,320
to wait for it.

1169
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:53,500
But we might as well because, and it's

1170
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,780
coming from Fox News.

1171
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,820
And that Fox News, they're not stupid.

1172
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:57,900
They know.

1173
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:59,700
They know where their bread is buttered.

1174
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,620
And they're run by lefty nut jobs.

1175
00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:02,480
Breaking news.

1176
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:05,660
Breaking tonight, a viral outbreak in China prompts

1177
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:08,340
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the

1178
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:10,820
CDC, to issue a travel warning.

1179
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:13,720
More than 7,000 cases of this disease

1180
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,340
have been reported so far.

1181
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,380
State Department correspondent Jillian Turner has details tonight

1182
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:19,760
live from the State Department.

1183
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,460
Good evening, Jillian.

1184
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Oh, yeah.

1185
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,320
Good evening.

1186
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,580
From the State Department.

1187
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,380
Hello from the State Department.

1188
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,220
State Department.

1189
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:26,800
Yeah, this will be the State Department.

1190
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,660
How come it's not our friend?

1191
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Isn't she the spokeswoman for the State Department?

1192
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,560
What's her name?

1193
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,780
Tammy Bruce.

1194
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:34,540
Tammy, Tammy.

1195
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:35,600
If it was Tammy.

1196
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,600
But Tammy's like, no, I'm not getting involved

1197
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,600
in this nonsense.

1198
00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:39,440
You go.

1199
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:40,540
Live from the State Department.

1200
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,260
Good evening, Jillian.

1201
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,420
Good evening, Brett.

1202
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:44,380
The CDC, as you mentioned, is warning Americans

1203
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:46,860
traveling to China about chikungunya.

1204
00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:48,500
It is a virus that spreads.

1205
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Okay.

1206
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,480
Okay.

1207
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:50,440
Hold on a second.

1208
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:51,400
Marketing department.

1209
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:52,540
I love chikungunya.

1210
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:53,760
Marketing department.

1211
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,000
This is no good.

1212
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,840
This is no good.

1213
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,140
We need a better name.

1214
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,700
It sounds like the new variation of a

1215
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:04,440
burrito at some Mexican restaurant.

1216
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,600
Chikungunya with refried beans.

1217
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:09,740
Humans through infected mosquito bites.

1218
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,340
It can cause severe illness with symptoms that

1219
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:16,180
mimic pretty closely dengue fever and Zika virus.

1220
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:16,960
Ah, Zika.

1221
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,300
Small heads are coming.

1222
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:19,600
Zika, Zika, Zika.

1223
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,660
Small heads are coming.

1224
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,600
It's mostly found in Africa.

1225
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Here's what the CDC says about it.

1226
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,800
They say most people infected get better within

1227
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,220
a week.

1228
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,880
However, some can have severe joint pain for

1229
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,280
months to years.

1230
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,680
Other symptoms include severe fever and fatigue.

1231
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,000
The outbreak now is in the Chinese province

1232
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,640
Guangdong.

1233
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,840
It's near Hong Kong with more than 7

1234
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,640
,000 cases reported so far, prompting some pretty

1235
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,080
dramatic measures to contain the spread, like mandatory

1236
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,100
insect repellent blasts for people entering the area,

1237
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
mandatory property checks for stagnant water, which attracts

1238
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
mosquitoes, and when found is now punishable by

1239
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,040
fines or even arrest.

1240
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,820
Yeah, we're going to blast you with insect

1241
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:00,280
repellent.

1242
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,920
This is great.

1243
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,760
All we need now is a couple of

1244
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,240
TikTok videos of people falling dead on the

1245
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:05,540
street.

1246
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:06,620
Come on, China.

1247
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,200
Come on.

1248
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:07,880
But don't worry.

1249
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:08,440
Don't worry.

1250
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,360
This particular outbreak won't actually kill you.

1251
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,420
The CDC says Americans traveling to eight other

1252
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:18,740
countries are also at elevated risk of exposure

1253
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:19,900
to the virus.

1254
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:22,800
Even if there is no current outbreak there,

1255
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
people at risk for more severe cases of

1256
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,600
chikungunya include newborns, seniors 65 years and up.

1257
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,260
As well as people with diabetes or heart

1258
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:33,740
disease.

1259
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,360
Now, the good news is that unlike COVID,

1260
00:41:36,540 --> 00:41:39,480
deaths from this disease are exceedingly rare.

1261
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:42,020
You can also protect yourself by getting vaccinated

1262
00:41:42,020 --> 00:41:45,000
against it or by preventing mosquito bites in

1263
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,180
the first place through all the usual mechanisms,

1264
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,940
insect repellent, netting, wearing long sleeves, and staying

1265
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:51,600
in air conditioning.

1266
00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:53,560
John, break out that we need netting.

1267
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,600
We need to get netting.

1268
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:56,000
We need netting hats.

1269
00:41:56,140 --> 00:41:57,300
We need netting shirts.

1270
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,780
We need mosquito.

1271
00:41:58,780 --> 00:42:01,380
It'll be chikungunya, protective gear.

1272
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,240
It has to be netting, netting.

1273
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:05,860
Netting is the new way because if you

1274
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:08,080
don't, well, we're going to lock you up.

1275
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:10,660
If you happen to get this, they're quarantining

1276
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:13,600
you in hospitals with mosquito netting and not

1277
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:14,700
letting you out for a week.

1278
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:18,080
These are the kind of draconian responses we

1279
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,060
saw with COVID.

1280
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:20,020
We're seeing it again.

1281
00:42:20,260 --> 00:42:21,360
I can't wait.

1282
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:22,180
Bring it on.

1283
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:23,440
Bring on your chikungunya.

1284
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,300
I'm good.

1285
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:25,560
Your chikigori.

1286
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:26,340
It's all good.

1287
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:27,660
It's all good.

1288
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:31,440
Now, of course, we need to expand our

1289
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,780
anti-Bobby the Op campaign because we are

1290
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:39,160
very, very concerned about parents who are just,

1291
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,080
you know, I'm just not trusting all these

1292
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,760
vaccines.

1293
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:45,200
There's too much talk about, you know, should

1294
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,100
we really be giving our kids 76 vaccines

1295
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,560
within the first four years of their lives?

1296
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:52,520
I'll tell you what.

1297
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Oh, there's one other problem.

1298
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,560
All of the doctors, the pediatricians, they're really,

1299
00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:00,120
I mean, the income is down.

1300
00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:01,140
Revenue is down.

1301
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,200
Advertising, underwriting, whatever you want to call it,

1302
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,740
revenue is down because we get a big

1303
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:08,800
bonus for all of the fully vaccinated children

1304
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,400
that we have attending our practice.

1305
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:13,340
So I think, you know, we have, we

1306
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,560
got a new president for the Association of

1307
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,240
Family Doctors.

1308
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,020
Let's give her a script.

1309
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,300
Let's make sure that the newsreader has the

1310
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:22,620
script.

1311
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:25,640
Let's throw in a couple of new terms.

1312
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:28,040
We'll have her repeat them a lot and

1313
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,860
him as well.

1314
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,180
And let's see if we can get the

1315
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:31,480
ball rolling here, shall we?

1316
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:33,420
New data from the CDC shows the rate

1317
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:36,560
of vaccinations among kindergartners has dropped again.

1318
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,380
There are more than 280,000 kindergartners who

1319
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:41,540
are not protected against measles.

1320
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,460
Dr. Sarah Nozal is the president-elect of

1321
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,760
the American Academy of Family Physicians and joins

1322
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:47,300
us now live.

1323
00:43:47,380 --> 00:43:48,280
Thanks for being with us.

1324
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
First of all, let's talk about what's behind

1325
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,740
the drop.

1326
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:53,380
I know early on after COVID, people were

1327
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:54,660
a little kind of vaccine.

1328
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:56,000
They should have just had in the scripts,

1329
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:56,580
Trump.

1330
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:58,700
That would have been easier, but no, okay.

1331
00:43:59,060 --> 00:44:01,260
COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine

1332
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:01,840
exhausted.

1333
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,180
Vaccine exhausted.

1334
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:04,660
This is a new term.

1335
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,460
He's not doing it exactly right, but we'll

1336
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:06,880
take it.

1337
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,780
It used to be vaccine hesitant.

1338
00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:13,220
They are changing this narrative to vaccine exhausted.

1339
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,160
I'm just- Good catch.

1340
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,320
Oh, it gets better.

1341
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:17,740
COVID, people were a little kind of vaccine

1342
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:19,060
exhausted, if you will.

1343
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:21,600
What do you think is behind parents not

1344
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,320
getting their kids vaccinated nowadays?

1345
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,260
So many families are not engaged with their

1346
00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:28,540
regular family doctor or pediatrician.

1347
00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:30,520
Getting all of their questions answered.

1348
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,540
I think finding that trusted source to ask

1349
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:34,140
those questions.

1350
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:34,820
She's reading.

1351
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:35,640
She's reading, okay?

1352
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,760
She's reading.

1353
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:37,660
Listen to the read.

1354
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,640
About how important should this be?

1355
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:42,180
When we're asking families now and we're then

1356
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:44,920
surveying across the country, families are saying this

1357
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,040
is not as important as it used to

1358
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,240
be 10, 20 years ago to have your

1359
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:50,380
child fully vaccinated.

1360
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:53,080
And that's really concerning to us as family

1361
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,080
physicians and communities, where the whole community of

1362
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,720
immunity is what's going to be really critical

1363
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,800
to protect not just all of us, but

1364
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,600
your kid at home and when they go

1365
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,000
to school.

1366
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:05,060
Now, did you hear her new phrase?

1367
00:45:07,180 --> 00:45:07,380
No.

1368
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,300
Community of immunity.

1369
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:11,120
Oh, I missed it.

1370
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:12,060
Oh, it's coming up again.

1371
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:12,520
Don't worry.

1372
00:45:12,660 --> 00:45:14,220
And we've had kind of a real world

1373
00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,460
test of this, if you will, in Texas.

1374
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,980
Those dumb rednecks down in Texas.

1375
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:19,460
Real world.

1376
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,140
That was a test.

1377
00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:20,780
It was a test.

1378
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:21,800
Those idiots.

1379
00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:23,820
By the way, just as an interruption here,

1380
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,240
did you know that compared to Texas, that

1381
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:27,640
Texas pales.

1382
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:29,040
Canada is much worse.

1383
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:29,300
Alberta.

1384
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,540
Alberta, Canada, much worse than Texas.

1385
00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:32,320
I know.

1386
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:32,920
I know.

1387
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,580
What is the rationale for not playing that

1388
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:38,440
up in the script?

1389
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:39,180
Hello.

1390
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,500
This is Chicago WGN.

1391
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,780
This is MedWatch.

1392
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,040
This is for Americans.

1393
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,300
If we, oh, Canada, who gives a crap

1394
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:48,620
about Canada?

1395
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,340
But we can laugh about the Texas.

1396
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,960
You don't want to be about like Texas.

1397
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:52,360
Yeah.

1398
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,460
A lot of it has to do with

1399
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:55,060
this old theory that you want to put

1400
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:56,060
a bunch of dumb rednecks.

1401
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,740
Yes.

1402
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,800
Hey, let's talk to the man on the

1403
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:58,900
show.

1404
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,840
Well, I'm here on the street and I

1405
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,960
don't know anything.

1406
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:03,780
I'm dumb.

1407
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,500
You can tell by listening to my voice

1408
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:06,520
and my accent.

1409
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:10,020
If you will, in Texas, let us know

1410
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:13,100
how that kind of evolved and whether or

1411
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,260
not it was the outbreak that people had

1412
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:15,540
feared.

1413
00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:18,480
The measles outbreak in Texas shows us exactly

1414
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,200
why a community of immunity and what sometimes

1415
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,020
we've heard of as herd immunity is really

1416
00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:24,540
important.

1417
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:27,240
Measles is the most contagious of all of

1418
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,600
the vaccination infectious diseases we can prevent.

1419
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,340
And we really need more than 95 percent

1420
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:35,100
of our kids and our communities to be

1421
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,780
vaccinated to make sure we don't risk an

1422
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:41,020
outbreak like we're seeing in Texas.

1423
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:43,920
And so as we're seeing across the board,

1424
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:47,420
CDC vaccines are falling from 95 percent before

1425
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:49,720
the pandemic, little by little, down into the

1426
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:50,720
low 90 percentages.

1427
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:51,980
We know we're OK.

1428
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:52,460
Hold on.

1429
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,720
Let's just talk about percentages.

1430
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,820
It fell from 95 percent down into the

1431
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:03,480
low 90s, which could be 93 of 90.

1432
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,120
If you got to 91, it could be

1433
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,620
94.

1434
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:07,340
I mean, so we're talking a couple of

1435
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:08,240
percentage points.

1436
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,560
As we're seeing, it dropped from 95 percent

1437
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,180
down into the low 90s because she's correct

1438
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:15,960
in that regard.

1439
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:20,500
People are just watching us go drooling across

1440
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:21,080
the board.

1441
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,620
CDC vaccines are falling from 95 percent before

1442
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:26,900
the pandemic, little by little, down into the

1443
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:27,920
low 90 percentages.

1444
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,980
We know we're risking losing our community of

1445
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,080
immunity that there is a community of immunity.

1446
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,880
She does it twice.

1447
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,660
Now, let's get his phrase correct, because he

1448
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:41,120
tried to just do it to try to

1449
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,960
look natural and not read the prompter.

1450
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,620
And then while she was talking, he got

1451
00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:47,780
in his ear like, OK, that was a

1452
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:49,240
good ad lib, but we'd really like you

1453
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:50,300
to stick to the script, OK?

1454
00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:52,460
So what do you do about it?

1455
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,800
If it's that important and you want to

1456
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,820
get the message out, how do you reach

1457
00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:01,240
people who are vaccine skeptical or just vaccine

1458
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:01,680
tired?

1459
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,380
That's it.

1460
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,220
Vaccine tired.

1461
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,180
That's better.

1462
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:04,760
Much better.

1463
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,420
And how do you get the message out?

1464
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:09,920
By paying for editorials like this.

1465
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,760
The first place is to make sure you

1466
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,540
go and talk to your trusted physician.

1467
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,720
Your family doctor, your pediatrician will be there

1468
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,880
for you to discuss and go through what

1469
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,940
vaccines are recommended.

1470
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:22,300
All of the evidence shows that you want

1471
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,480
to get every single recommended vaccine together and

1472
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,100
on time.

1473
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:28,680
That's a common question that patients ask is,

1474
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,920
is it better to space it out?

1475
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,460
And you want to get all of those

1476
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:32,820
vaccines on time.

1477
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:35,340
That is the most beneficial and has the

1478
00:48:35,340 --> 00:48:37,660
best outcome when those kids have the immune

1479
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:39,480
systems ready to go and ready to protect

1480
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,380
them going forward.

1481
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,880
You see, they can't time their stock purchases

1482
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,860
if it's not all in one go.

1483
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:46,140
You got to have it on time so

1484
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:47,800
the doctors know how much money they'll be

1485
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,500
getting so they can, you know, buy into

1486
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:53,260
Nancy Pelosi's portfolio or whatever it is they

1487
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:53,520
do.

1488
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,340
This is ghoulish, this lady.

1489
00:48:57,340 --> 00:48:59,460
She's the new president.

1490
00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:02,480
I'm going to guess what happens next because

1491
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,720
you have more clips.

1492
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,460
I think you do.

1493
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,580
No, no, I don't have more clips of

1494
00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:05,700
her.

1495
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:06,240
Oh, really?

1496
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:08,420
Because I would have sworn the next thing

1497
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:09,060
would have happened.

1498
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,760
He would have said to her.

1499
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:13,620
I walked right into it, didn't I?

1500
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,880
He would have said.

1501
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:19,260
So what is the purpose?

1502
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,220
Don't you think we should revisit the idea

1503
00:49:22,220 --> 00:49:26,920
that the vaccine manufacturers are immune to any

1504
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,100
sort of liability because not because the vaccines

1505
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,400
are no good, but they should not be

1506
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,220
immune to liability for the simple fact that

1507
00:49:36,220 --> 00:49:40,040
it ensures that the manufacturing process is kept

1508
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,260
on the up and up so they don't

1509
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:41,980
get careless?

1510
00:49:42,740 --> 00:49:44,540
And because it's getting careless, you would get

1511
00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:45,700
some liability issues.

1512
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:47,920
So don't you think that it's time to

1513
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,820
revisit the liability issue?

1514
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,320
Because it's the only product that's sold like

1515
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:52,640
this.

1516
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,420
All the other drug products, all products, all

1517
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:57,680
products, right?

1518
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,860
All products except this one product have to

1519
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:04,860
be made responsibly.

1520
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:09,700
Thus, liability issues and liability laws do apply

1521
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,400
to all products ever made except this one

1522
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,680
product.

1523
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,060
Don't you think that should be revisited?

1524
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:16,560
I think we should pose that question to

1525
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,020
Robert Kennedy, Jr. Wasn't that one of his

1526
00:50:21,020 --> 00:50:22,300
promises at some point?

1527
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,500
I think it was.

1528
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,160
It wasn't part of the big three, I

1529
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:27,380
think.

1530
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,700
But I think he's mentioned it.

1531
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:29,300
Come on.

1532
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:30,120
I mean, come on.

1533
00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:33,160
The American people should demand this.

1534
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:35,120
We should demand liability.

1535
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Amen.

1536
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,640
And I'm going to go back to this.

1537
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:39,460
I've said it before.

1538
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:40,040
I'll say it again.

1539
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:41,340
I'll say it forever as long as this

1540
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:42,400
podcast is on the air.

1541
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:47,480
If you recall during the swine flu phony

1542
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,520
baloney pandemic.

1543
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,220
Well, the 1976 or the or the 2000.

1544
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:54,060
The one that we covered.

1545
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:54,420
Yeah.

1546
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:54,860
Yeah.

1547
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:55,780
Nine, I guess.

1548
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,320
I think it was nine.

1549
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,580
Where they had lines around the block.

1550
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:04,980
They had actually were shipping live virus in

1551
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:06,560
many of the batches.

1552
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
That were making people deathly sick.

1553
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:13,880
And there was no liability for any of

1554
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,800
this sloppy production.

1555
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,560
I mean, I think it may have been

1556
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,820
doing it on purpose for obvious reasons.

1557
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:21,260
But let's say they weren't.

1558
00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:22,840
It was just sloppy.

1559
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,700
They can put dog shit in these shots

1560
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:25,960
and you can't sue anybody.

1561
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:27,920
Who says they don't?

1562
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:29,660
They might.

1563
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:33,220
Well, just to round this out.

1564
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:37,020
I was fortunate enough to get a quick

1565
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:38,660
hit, as we say in the biz.

1566
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,900
I did a quick hit there on the

1567
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:44,820
network from Dr. Peter Hotep.

1568
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:50,480
BARDA reviewed 22 MRNA vaccine development investments and

1569
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,700
began canceling them.

1570
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,140
Health Secretary Robert F.

1571
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:55,600
Kennedy Jr., who has made anti-vaccine claims

1572
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,080
in the past, announcing that the technology behind

1573
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,760
COVID vaccines won't be funded anymore.

1574
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,860
As the pandemic showed us, MRNA vaccines don't

1575
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:04,600
perform well.

1576
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:09,200
The vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can

1577
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,980
actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates

1578
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:13,560
to escape.

1579
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,100
Yeah, so none of that is actually true.

1580
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,740
The vaccines managed to keep many, many people

1581
00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:19,620
out of the hospital.

1582
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:22,000
Angela Rasmussen is a virologist at the University

1583
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,120
of Saskatchewan.

1584
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,420
Experts see this decision as a bad bet

1585
00:52:25,420 --> 00:52:28,420
against a life-saving, Nobel Prize winning technology

1586
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:30,820
that pulled humanity through a long pandemic.

1587
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,440
And the health secretary is wrong about what

1588
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,240
makes them longer.

1589
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:36,360
Viruses mutate when they replicate.

1590
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,420
And they replicate when they spread.

1591
00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:40,300
The best way to prevent a virus from

1592
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,180
spreading is to make sure those people are

1593
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:44,960
protected against the virus by vaccination.

1594
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:51,220
The jabs that protected billions, including children and

1595
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:54,580
the elderly, took testing, clinical trials, mass production

1596
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:55,580
and distribution.

1597
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,800
But it was all possible in less than

1598
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,360
a year because of this novel technology.

1599
00:53:00,580 --> 00:53:03,640
MRNA technology makes it really possible to rapidly

1600
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,860
respond to a novel emerging virus.

1601
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:08,820
Which means this funding loss, $500 million U

1602
00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:11,400
.S., is a bet against fighting future infectious

1603
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,200
diseases and possibly more.

1604
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,420
I'm sorry, it's in this clip.

1605
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:15,600
That was the same report.

1606
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:17,140
Dr. Peter Hotez is co- You, you,

1607
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:17,340
you.

1608
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:17,900
No, here it is.

1609
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Your guy.

1610
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:20,560
I know.

1611
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,720
You are all salivating.

1612
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,820
You're ready to hear Hotez.

1613
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:24,700
Dr. Peter Hotez is co-director of the

1614
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,280
Texas Children's Hospital Center for Vaccine Development.

1615
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,500
MRNA technology is looking really exciting for next

1616
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:32,840
generation cancer immunotherapeutics.

1617
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:35,000
So this will throw cold water on a

1618
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,020
whole big effort that we're pursuing as well.

1619
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:39,340
Beyond the exciting potential, Hotez also sees a

1620
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:41,740
potential chilling effect on pharmaceutical companies.

1621
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:43,700
The U.S. is still the single largest

1622
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:44,640
vaccine market.

1623
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,840
If the U.S. Oh, talking about markets

1624
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,180
now all of a sudden, are we?

1625
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,140
I mean, what is that?

1626
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,200
Are you interested in money?

1627
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:52,840
Is a marketing guy all of a sudden?

1628
00:53:53,020 --> 00:53:53,680
I guess so.

1629
00:53:53,860 --> 00:53:55,500
The U.S. market's the biggest market for

1630
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,520
vaccination because of guys like him.

1631
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:57,900
Yep.

1632
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,000
U.S. is still the single largest vaccine

1633
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:00,360
market.

1634
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,020
If the U.S. is made an executive

1635
00:54:03,020 --> 00:54:07,640
decision not to support advanced purchase of MRNA

1636
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,440
vaccines.

1637
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,940
Advanced purchase?

1638
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:11,840
This guy is in the pipeline.

1639
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:14,640
Advanced purchase?

1640
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,880
What has that got to do with the

1641
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,500
price of bread in the discussion?

1642
00:54:18,580 --> 00:54:20,400
Well, it sounds to me like some of

1643
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,800
these contracts were advanced purchases for, you know,

1644
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:26,320
the chikungunya with beans.

1645
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:28,020
Or who knows what?

1646
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:29,020
There's something fishy.

1647
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:32,060
The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.

1648
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Yes.

1649
00:54:33,780 --> 00:54:37,680
Is made an executive decision not to support

1650
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,380
advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines.

1651
00:54:40,940 --> 00:54:42,600
And then it's not clear to me whether

1652
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,780
the companies will want to pursue this.

1653
00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:45,940
We're prioritized.

1654
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:48,460
This is very interesting because that is not

1655
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:51,260
the way this was laid out to us.

1656
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,720
What we were hearing is research contracts were

1657
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:55,540
being canceled.

1658
00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:57,720
Hotez spilled the beans here.

1659
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,240
The chikungunya with beans.

1660
00:54:59,460 --> 00:55:02,440
He spills the beans by saying, well, they're

1661
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,860
canceling their advanced buying contracts.

1662
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,380
Money in the bank.

1663
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,060
That's the only thing that makes sense.

1664
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,640
If you heard my earlier screed.

1665
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:13,080
Yes.

1666
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,320
About why are they, what is Pfizer and

1667
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,680
Moderna?

1668
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:18,220
Pfi-der-na, I think is a good

1669
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:18,800
name, by the way.

1670
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:19,260
Thank you.

1671
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:20,500
Why are they?

1672
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:21,940
Mad.

1673
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,100
Moaning and groaning so much.

1674
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:25,680
They're moaning and groaning because these were, this

1675
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,380
was not about research at all.

1676
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,740
The reports are bogus.

1677
00:55:29,860 --> 00:55:31,280
The sales guys, you know, they just saw

1678
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,800
their commission drop through the floor.

1679
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:33,940
What is this all about?

1680
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,760
You can't cancel a contract.

1681
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,380
We had a deal.

1682
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,500
That's $50 million in commissions.

1683
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,080
Minimum.

1684
00:55:39,180 --> 00:55:40,360
We had a deal, man.

1685
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:44,540
Not to support advanced purchase of MRNA vaccines.

1686
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:46,760
And then it's not clear to me whether

1687
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,940
the companies will want to pursue this.

1688
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:52,660
We're prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine

1689
00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:53,400
strategies.

1690
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,200
Like a whole virus vaccines.

1691
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,840
Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional

1692
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,800
vaccine technology is a bad one.

1693
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,800
It's not that these vaccines don't work.

1694
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,400
They do, but they don't work.

1695
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,120
Stop, stop.

1696
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,480
These guys are shooting themselves in the foot

1697
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,660
if you think about it.

1698
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:08,240
I know.

1699
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,040
Why are we using these other vaccines at

1700
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:12,420
all?

1701
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:16,040
They're no good, it says, sounds like.

1702
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,940
Experts also say RFK Jr.'s bet on traditional

1703
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:20,900
vaccine technology is a bad one.

1704
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,940
It's not that these vaccines don't work.

1705
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:24,900
They do, but they don't work as well

1706
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,200
as MRNA vaccines.

1707
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:27,800
Canadians are involved in MRNA.

1708
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,980
So why should I take the MMR vaccine

1709
00:56:29,980 --> 00:56:30,960
if it's not as good?

1710
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,780
It's 1.0 technology.

1711
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,700
You know what?

1712
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:37,600
I think there's a mad dash.

1713
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:38,580
I think they're scrambling.

1714
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:40,620
The message is not cohesive.

1715
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,640
There's something going on.

1716
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,460
I agree.

1717
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:48,360
There's something going on that we're unaware of.

1718
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:50,000
It's a missing piece of the puzzle.

1719
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:51,520
And it would explain a lot.

1720
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,760
Hotez may have given some of it away.

1721
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:54,680
Sounds like it.

1722
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:55,020
You're right.

1723
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,800
Because, you know, the thing is, they read

1724
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,000
everybody in on these scams that they produce

1725
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,520
for the public's benefit.

1726
00:57:02,220 --> 00:57:04,040
All the local news stations, it's pretty much

1727
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,040
the same reporting that you play example after

1728
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,520
example.

1729
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,400
And they would assume that Hotez has got

1730
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,220
the same script when they bring him on

1731
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:14,620
so they don't have to read him in.

1732
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,240
And he was too busy eating burgers.

1733
00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:22,000
And me, he looks like, yes, he'll give

1734
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,920
you some money tomorrow for the burger you

1735
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,620
give him today.

1736
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,740
Let's just finish 20 seconds.

1737
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:28,440
Let's finish it.

1738
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:29,240
These don't work.

1739
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:29,940
They do.

1740
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:31,700
But they don't work as well as mRNA

1741
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:32,440
vaccines.

1742
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,740
Canadians are involved in mRNA research.

1743
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,860
It's not clear how much this funding hit

1744
00:57:36,860 --> 00:57:38,360
will affect global development.

1745
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:40,500
But experts warn that this is just part

1746
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,760
of a wider effort by Donald Trump's administration

1747
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,140
to cut back on scientific investment.

1748
00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:47,580
Money, in this case, that would pay off

1749
00:57:47,580 --> 00:57:50,440
massively in the form of life-saving vaccines.

1750
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,900
Oh, oh, brother.

1751
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:55,080
Oh, boy.

1752
00:57:55,260 --> 00:57:57,180
And that was from CBC, the guys who

1753
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:58,540
have the most measles.

1754
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:00,640
But, oh, yeah, Trump.

1755
00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:01,200
Right, they do.

1756
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:02,580
Alberta, in particular.

1757
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:03,400
It's Trump.

1758
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,680
It's Trump's fault.

1759
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,180
It's Trump.

1760
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:06,860
It's just...

1761
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:06,960
Wow.

1762
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:07,420
Yeah.

1763
00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:08,740
Wow is right.

1764
00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:09,240
This is terrible.

1765
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,260
That they're trying to pull this stunt on

1766
00:58:12,260 --> 00:58:12,960
the public at large.

1767
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,680
They're winning, generally, because they barrage the public.

1768
00:58:16,820 --> 00:58:18,300
This is what I feel bad about.

1769
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:21,440
The public at large is barraged by this

1770
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,960
blatant propaganda, scripted propaganda.

1771
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:26,600
We show it over and over again.

1772
00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:29,000
The exact same wordage, the exact same questions,

1773
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,260
the exact same answers from the exact same

1774
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:34,800
stooges over and over.

1775
00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:41,620
And they inundate, they flood the zone with

1776
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:42,560
this bullcrap.

1777
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:48,520
So now try to square that with this

1778
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:52,480
report on NBC this morning, because we know

1779
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,520
now that it's very important to have research,

1780
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:57,980
scientific research.

1781
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,920
Research is necessary.

1782
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:00,740
It's good.

1783
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,760
It saves lives.

1784
00:59:01,980 --> 00:59:02,840
We have to be ready.

1785
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:04,340
We've got to pre-purchase.

1786
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:06,360
But research is important.

1787
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,340
And then all of a sudden, NBC comes

1788
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:10,180
out with this.

1789
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:12,020
We are back with a growing trend that

1790
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:13,800
is worrying scientists.

1791
00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:16,960
Fake research is being produced on an industrial

1792
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,860
scale, then getting published in legitimate journals.

1793
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,900
Like the Journal for Immunology.

1794
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,100
A new study released on Monday revealed the

1795
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:28,840
number of fraudulent papers has been doubling every

1796
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,300
one and a half years.

1797
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:33,560
Researchers say those fake papers typically include doctored

1798
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,200
images, plagiarized text, even AI-generated content.

1799
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,320
They're designed to easily avoid expert intervention.

1800
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:44,420
That's undermining the trust and high standards that

1801
00:59:44,420 --> 00:59:45,900
scientists depend on.

1802
00:59:47,620 --> 00:59:49,940
Okay, so now I'm confused.

1803
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,120
Is this a Hegelian dialectic?

1804
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:53,400
What is going on here?

1805
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:55,540
New York Times columnist Carl Zimmer joins me

1806
00:59:55,540 --> 00:59:55,740
now.

1807
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:57,340
He spoke with some of the researchers who've

1808
00:59:57,340 --> 00:59:58,440
been looking into this issue.

1809
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,300
Carl, good to have you with us.

1810
01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:02,840
So can you explain how fake research manages

1811
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,620
to get published in these journals?

1812
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,240
I mean, I think we all assume there

1813
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,940
are checks in place to try and prevent

1814
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:08,180
this.

1815
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,420
Well, now this is a good question.

1816
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,620
How does that happen?

1817
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,260
Don't we have peer review?

1818
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:15,500
Don't we have experts looking at this stuff?

1819
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,280
Well, no.

1820
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,880
We assume that, and it turns out that's

1821
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:19,760
not always the case.

1822
01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:26,560
You will have scientists working individually or even

1823
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,020
entire companies that make a business out of

1824
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:31,360
this that will produce papers that are really

1825
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,700
not based on fact.

1826
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:37,540
They will show fabricated images.

1827
01:00:37,540 --> 01:00:39,880
They will make claims about experiments that didn't

1828
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:40,500
take place.

1829
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,380
And then these papers are submitted to journals

1830
01:00:45,380 --> 01:00:46,940
where they're supposed to go through peer review.

1831
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,180
Sometimes they slip through.

1832
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:52,120
Nobody notices until they're accepted because they look

1833
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:52,660
legitimate.

1834
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,960
In other cases, editors are actually being bribed.

1835
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:58,040
There's got to be a reason the NBC

1836
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,940
is being bribed.

1837
01:00:59,940 --> 01:01:00,400
What?

1838
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,120
There's got to be a reason they're doing

1839
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,320
this.

1840
01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:04,620
Something is coming here.

1841
01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:07,040
There's going to be some kind of change

1842
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,360
because this process is being discredited.

1843
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:12,200
The very process that we are told to

1844
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,180
believe is saving our life with life-saving

1845
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:17,320
vaccines so we can have a community of

1846
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:17,880
immunity.

1847
01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:20,600
How big of a problem is this for

1848
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,200
science?

1849
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,720
And help us understand why those of us

1850
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,760
who aren't scientists should be so concerned about

1851
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,020
it.

1852
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,080
Here's the thought.

1853
01:01:27,740 --> 01:01:31,440
Maybe, maybe what we're seeing here is a

1854
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,280
separation of biology and technology.

1855
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,000
So we can say, well, the scientists over

1856
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,480
there, they're a bunch of phonies.

1857
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:45,080
We on this side, we have MRNA 3

1858
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,040
.0. This is technology.

1859
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,460
You can trust what we're doing over here.

1860
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:51,900
Possible, possible.

1861
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:53,020
I'm just trying to come up with something

1862
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:54,060
because this is bugging me.

1863
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,680
Well, science works because scientists can build on

1864
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,420
each other's work.

1865
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:04,660
If you want to figure out a cure

1866
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:06,480
for cancer, you want to go and look

1867
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,780
at what other people have looked at before

1868
01:02:08,780 --> 01:02:11,060
for the kind of cancer you're trying to

1869
01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:11,360
cure.

1870
01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:13,320
Maybe you want to build on what someone

1871
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:13,800
else did.

1872
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,460
If someone else just presented an illusion, you

1873
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:19,600
might waste years trying to build on their

1874
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,500
work because it was a dead end.

1875
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,860
It's that serious.

1876
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,200
I'm I think here's my thesis.

1877
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:26,800
OK, go.

1878
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,060
It's a smoke screen.

1879
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,180
There's good research out there that shows a

1880
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:33,620
lot of the stuff that they're selling us

1881
01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:34,380
is bull crap.

1882
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,580
I would put MRNA in that category.

1883
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,140
But wait, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1884
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,720
It won a Nobel Prize, man.

1885
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:45,960
Yes, well, I could win a Nobel Prize.

1886
01:02:46,060 --> 01:02:47,340
Doesn't mean you should be shooting it to

1887
01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:47,840
your body.

1888
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:50,180
OK, fair point.

1889
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:51,300
I mean, a lot of things win a

1890
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:51,840
Nobel Prize.

1891
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:56,940
Obama, Obama, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.

1892
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,460
OK, well, to the average, it's a different

1893
01:02:59,460 --> 01:02:59,860
country.

1894
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:05,380
The point is, is that you there is

1895
01:03:05,380 --> 01:03:07,600
good research out there that indicates a lot

1896
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,760
of bad things.

1897
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,940
And so what you want to do is

1898
01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:13,040
cover it to create a smoke screen of

1899
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,520
bad research and just flood the zone with

1900
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,120
bad research.

1901
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:18,740
Wait, wait, maybe this is because Kennedy's about

1902
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:21,380
to unveil all this about the corruption between

1903
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,020
the editors and the papers.

1904
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:23,700
Well, he won.

1905
01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:25,460
That's number three on his list.

1906
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,200
That was one of his RICO case.

1907
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:31,680
So blame it on the editors and blame

1908
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400
it on rogue elements.

1909
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:35,980
OK, the only actually the only thing in

1910
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:38,380
that report that you played that it stuck

1911
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:39,220
out to you, too.

1912
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:40,560
In fact, it took you five beats.

1913
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,620
I don't know why it took you so

1914
01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:41,780
long.

1915
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,460
I'm slow.

1916
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,480
I need more gigawatt.

1917
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,120
Something.

1918
01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:45,940
Yeah.

1919
01:03:48,140 --> 01:03:50,740
Is that the editors are being bribed.

1920
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,160
Yes.

1921
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:54,320
Well, there's two more bits here.

1922
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,820
The Trump administration has proposed more cuts to

1923
01:03:56,820 --> 01:04:00,360
federally funded research that would include fields, physics,

1924
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:02,680
climate science, manufacturing.

1925
01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:05,700
How much could those cuts affect this issue?

1926
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,540
The scientists I've talked to are very concerned

1927
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:13,980
that this could really accelerate this problem with

1928
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:19,300
fraud because you're looking at tremendous cuts and

1929
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:20,860
you're going to have a whole field of

1930
01:04:20,860 --> 01:04:24,920
American science where scientists and graduate students are

1931
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,500
looking for jobs are desperate.

1932
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,520
There'll be very little support, fewer posts.

1933
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,520
And so the the the attraction to cutting

1934
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,040
corners and maybe even fabricating is going to

1935
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,980
go way up here in the United States.

1936
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:40,420
All right.

1937
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,080
Let's get to the final clip, because the

1938
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,300
question is, what needs to happen to stop

1939
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:44,640
this?

1940
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,900
You spoke with the experts.

1941
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,580
What do they say needs to happen to

1942
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:49,840
try and stop this fraud from happening?

1943
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Fraud.

1944
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:53,240
Really, we need to overall how.

1945
01:04:53,420 --> 01:04:54,080
What was that?

1946
01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:56,580
Yeah, it was like a tell.

1947
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,040
That was a tell of some sort.

1948
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:03,000
Really, we need to overall how we look

1949
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,720
at the value of science and how we

1950
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,400
reward scientists.

1951
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,640
You know, in a lot of countries now,

1952
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,040
you have to publish 10, 20 papers a

1953
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,780
year to even be considered to for promotion.

1954
01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:17,460
And that's got to stop.

1955
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:19,140
We have to focus on the quality of

1956
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:22,280
science and maybe be publishing less science.

1957
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:24,400
You also mentioned some other things here, including

1958
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,500
banning scientists who commit misconduct from getting published

1959
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:28,080
in the future.

1960
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,700
That seems like an important thing, too, right?

1961
01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:30,940
Absolutely.

1962
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:33,720
Yeah, they're the punishments such as they are

1963
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:37,240
are just not enough to keep people away

1964
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,060
from this activity, as you can see, because

1965
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:40,500
it is growing exponentially.

1966
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:41,780
I think you're right.

1967
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:42,940
Chad JCD.

1968
01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:44,640
I think you're absolutely right.

1969
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,460
They're going to hang out a couple of

1970
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:50,060
scientists and a bunch of editors out to

1971
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:51,380
dry as corrupt.

1972
01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:53,240
They've corrupted the system.

1973
01:05:53,540 --> 01:05:55,960
We've rooted it out and it's all good

1974
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,380
now.

1975
01:05:59,950 --> 01:06:01,170
Well, it's coming down Broadway.

1976
01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:03,210
Yeah.

1977
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:05,010
All right.

1978
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:07,270
I mean, Kennedy gave away what he wants

1979
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:09,370
to do, so it's not as though you

1980
01:06:09,370 --> 01:06:10,310
can't prepare for it.

1981
01:06:10,450 --> 01:06:10,830
They are.

1982
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:14,330
Well, that was a preparation for sure.

1983
01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:15,610
Preparation.

1984
01:06:15,770 --> 01:06:16,690
All right, let's do something else.

1985
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:17,170
What you got?

1986
01:06:17,170 --> 01:06:18,110
I like preparation.

1987
01:06:18,330 --> 01:06:18,930
That's preparation.

1988
01:06:19,250 --> 01:06:19,750
What else you got?

1989
01:06:19,830 --> 01:06:20,930
You got some you got lots of other

1990
01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:21,470
stuff here.

1991
01:06:21,790 --> 01:06:22,890
You got I got stuff.

1992
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:26,550
How about you want to Texas, Texas, Texas,

1993
01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:27,130
Texas?

1994
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:28,390
Yeah, I got a lot of stuff on

1995
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:29,510
Texas is good.

1996
01:06:29,710 --> 01:06:31,450
Yeah, because I have this thing going on.

1997
01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:32,050
Yeah, I know.

1998
01:06:32,130 --> 01:06:33,610
I got details when you're ready.

1999
01:06:33,730 --> 01:06:34,210
Go for it.

2000
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:36,110
OK, well, I got I got the Texas

2001
01:06:36,110 --> 01:06:36,530
update.

2002
01:06:36,530 --> 01:06:38,070
Then I have a couple of short super

2003
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:38,450
cuts.

2004
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:40,630
OK, Texas update NTV first.

2005
01:06:40,790 --> 01:06:43,090
The latest in the Texas redistricting battle, the

2006
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:45,310
state's governor and attorney general are pushing to

2007
01:06:45,310 --> 01:06:47,910
get absent Democrats ousted from office.

2008
01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:50,030
And a U.S. senator from Texas is

2009
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:52,150
asking the FBI to get involved.

2010
01:06:52,610 --> 01:06:54,710
Entity's Melina Weiskup has the updates.

2011
01:06:55,230 --> 01:06:57,450
Dozens of Democrat state lawmakers from Texas remain

2012
01:06:57,450 --> 01:06:58,370
out of state.

2013
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:01,670
There being 94 members present, a quorum is

2014
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:02,350
not present.

2015
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:05,890
Facing arrest warrants and now possible removal from

2016
01:07:05,890 --> 01:07:06,370
office.

2017
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:08,150
I'll pay that price for America.

2018
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:10,890
And I think everyone behind me would say

2019
01:07:10,890 --> 01:07:11,670
they would do the same.

2020
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:14,930
Texas Governor Greg Abbott is asking the state

2021
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:17,870
Supreme Court to remove the state House Democratic

2022
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:18,990
Chair Jean Wu.

2023
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:21,910
The governor wrote Texas House Democrats abandoned their

2024
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:22,930
duty to Texans.

2025
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:24,470
And there must be consequences.

2026
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:27,070
As for the other Democrats, the attorney general

2027
01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:29,630
is giving them until Friday to return or

2028
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:31,370
he'll seek to remove all of them from

2029
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:31,870
office.

2030
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:34,990
Redistricting happens every 10 years after a census.

2031
01:07:35,350 --> 01:07:37,650
And so this is not the regular way

2032
01:07:37,650 --> 01:07:39,330
that we do redistricting.

2033
01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:41,930
Their goal is to block a Republican backed

2034
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:43,090
redistricting vote.

2035
01:07:43,150 --> 01:07:45,290
That would give the GOP a competing chance

2036
01:07:45,290 --> 01:07:46,790
in Democrat held districts.

2037
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:50,450
These voters in these districts won by Trump.

2038
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:52,870
They don't have the ability to vote for

2039
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:55,610
their candidate of choice now because they're in

2040
01:07:55,610 --> 01:07:56,850
congressional districts.

2041
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:59,630
They're in a Democrat district as opposed to

2042
01:07:59,630 --> 01:08:01,290
a district won by Trump.

2043
01:08:03,570 --> 01:08:06,650
So let me just give a definition because

2044
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:07,550
it's thrown about.

2045
01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:10,470
And I have the origin of the term

2046
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:11,790
gerrymandering.

2047
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:13,590
Yes, this is quite good.

2048
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:15,649
And this is very valuable because of where

2049
01:08:15,649 --> 01:08:16,350
it started.

2050
01:08:17,750 --> 01:08:21,950
Gerrymandering is the manipulation of congressional district boundaries

2051
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:24,810
to favor one political party or group.

2052
01:08:24,910 --> 01:08:26,450
And this is this is done through the

2053
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:27,090
census.

2054
01:08:28,069 --> 01:08:30,350
It is the census counts a number of

2055
01:08:30,350 --> 01:08:30,609
people.

2056
01:08:30,810 --> 01:08:33,450
It involves drawing district lines in ways that

2057
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:37,750
concentrate or dilute voters to influence election outcomes,

2058
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:41,050
often creating oddly shaped districts.

2059
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:42,990
And if you look at Texas, wow, is

2060
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:43,430
it ever?

2061
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:52,170
It comes from Elbridge Gerry, who redistricted Massachusetts

2062
01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:53,590
in 1812.

2063
01:08:53,710 --> 01:08:56,130
And it was so nuts, it resembled on

2064
01:08:56,130 --> 01:08:59,649
the map a salamander, hence gerrymandering.

2065
01:09:00,189 --> 01:09:03,850
So it is a Democrat idea.

2066
01:09:03,850 --> 01:09:06,790
But it has been deployed successfully throughout many

2067
01:09:06,790 --> 01:09:07,310
states.

2068
01:09:07,670 --> 01:09:09,930
And if you look at Texas, it is

2069
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:12,649
crazy how these districts are drawn.

2070
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:14,229
Yes, it's crazy.

2071
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:15,710
And California is even worse.

2072
01:09:15,850 --> 01:09:17,550
But my favorite one, of course, is where

2073
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:18,990
it began, which is Massachusetts.

2074
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:21,770
And I don't have I don't have a

2075
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:23,510
clip of this woman, but the governor of

2076
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:23,970
Massachusetts.

2077
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:25,990
And, of course, Gavin Newsom.

2078
01:09:26,029 --> 01:09:27,109
We've talked about this before.

2079
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:28,490
He says he's going to start.

2080
01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:30,890
You know, all these Democrats said they're going

2081
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:31,870
to gerrymander this.

2082
01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:32,910
They've already done it.

2083
01:09:32,910 --> 01:09:34,609
They've already gerrymandered state.

2084
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:35,010
What more can you do?

2085
01:09:36,790 --> 01:09:39,090
And Massachusetts is the funny one because the

2086
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:40,510
governor came out and said, well, if they're

2087
01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:41,590
going to do it, then we're going to

2088
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:41,850
do it.

2089
01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:46,790
There is not one single Republican in Congress

2090
01:09:46,790 --> 01:09:47,790
from Massachusetts.

2091
01:09:48,250 --> 01:09:49,450
What can you do?

2092
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:50,850
There's not one.

2093
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:53,550
They've already gerrymandered the state to death.

2094
01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:56,410
So there's not one single Republican.

2095
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:57,630
And they're going to do what?

2096
01:09:57,630 --> 01:10:02,370
You know, the origins of of this controversy

2097
01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:06,210
actually comes from the Justice Department.

2098
01:10:07,530 --> 01:10:09,150
I don't know if you're interested, but it's

2099
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:12,290
not like the Texas Republicans sat down and

2100
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:14,070
went, well, I've got an idea.

2101
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:15,250
Let's do this.

2102
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:21,170
This was mandated because the way the districts

2103
01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:24,050
were made up in Texas was based on

2104
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:27,930
the census, the most recent census, which had

2105
01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:30,510
millions of illegal aliens.

2106
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:32,770
Yeah, it's a huge issue.

2107
01:10:33,250 --> 01:10:34,670
That's where it all comes from.

2108
01:10:35,050 --> 01:10:36,890
And so the Justice Department said it's going

2109
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:37,790
to the Supreme Court.

2110
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:39,490
And I think they'll have the same opinion.

2111
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:41,350
It's like, no, no, you've got to change

2112
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:41,710
this.

2113
01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:44,750
You know, there's a lot of noise out

2114
01:10:44,750 --> 01:10:46,330
there like, yeah, let's do a new census.

2115
01:10:46,330 --> 01:10:47,730
Let's do one real quick.

2116
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:49,030
I don't know if that's going to happen.

2117
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:50,610
That's that's that's a big deal.

2118
01:10:50,610 --> 01:10:51,930
Well, there's a couple.

2119
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:55,170
There's one explanation in clip three that is

2120
01:10:55,170 --> 01:10:58,270
worth noting, but let's play clip two and

2121
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:59,050
then we'll get to three.

2122
01:10:59,670 --> 01:11:00,970
That's usually how it goes.

2123
01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:03,690
If Democrats return for the vote, the map

2124
01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:05,450
is almost certain to be approved.

2125
01:11:05,550 --> 01:11:07,230
So they're trying to run out the clock.

2126
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:09,130
We have to know our lines by maybe

2127
01:11:09,130 --> 01:11:09,690
October.

2128
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:12,250
So the time is ticking and it's ticking

2129
01:11:12,250 --> 01:11:13,070
away really fast.

2130
01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:15,190
That is why you see the attorney general

2131
01:11:15,190 --> 01:11:17,290
as well as the governor getting very aggressive

2132
01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:19,910
because you can't just change the lines and

2133
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:22,370
you can't change the primary without the Democrats

2134
01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:23,930
being there and providing a quorum.

2135
01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:26,470
U.S. Senator John Cornyn of Texas has

2136
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:29,190
asked the FBI to help arrest them for

2137
01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:33,130
return to Texas, writing federal resources are necessary

2138
01:11:33,130 --> 01:11:35,390
to locate the out-of-state Texas legislators

2139
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:38,190
who are potentially acting in violation of the

2140
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:38,490
law.

2141
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:39,230
All right.

2142
01:11:40,670 --> 01:11:42,950
OK, so so this is all, you know,

2143
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:45,070
with everybody's reporting, but this next clip where

2144
01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:49,070
they bring an analyst in the old analyst

2145
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:52,730
who actually tells us some new things that

2146
01:11:52,730 --> 01:11:55,050
probably generally aren't known.

2147
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:57,910
The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to

2148
01:11:57,910 --> 01:12:01,210
change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered

2149
01:12:01,210 --> 01:12:03,790
maps have created unconstitutional coalition.

2150
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:04,670
Boom, boom.

2151
01:12:04,750 --> 01:12:05,370
Where's this from?

2152
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:06,170
That was correct.

2153
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:08,930
NTD is NTD.

2154
01:12:08,970 --> 01:12:09,270
Yeah.

2155
01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:09,810
NTD.

2156
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:10,070
Yeah.

2157
01:12:10,170 --> 01:12:10,930
Well, they were right.

2158
01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:13,850
That's exactly is the justice, not not Abbott.

2159
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:17,170
The Justice Department said, look, this thing has

2160
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:18,110
been gerrymandered.

2161
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:20,870
You know, the Republicans would probably have 30

2162
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:25,370
to 40 more seats in Congress if they

2163
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:27,810
fix the way these districts have been carved

2164
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:28,170
up.

2165
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:30,810
The Trump administration has pushed for Texas to

2166
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:34,110
change its congressional map, arguing that past gerrymandered

2167
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:37,330
maps have created unconstitutional coalition districts.

2168
01:12:37,770 --> 01:12:39,610
What are coalition districts?

2169
01:12:39,610 --> 01:12:42,990
Coalition district is a district that provides electoral

2170
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:45,790
opportunities for a group or a coalition of

2171
01:12:45,790 --> 01:12:48,990
racial minority communities, maybe a black and Hispanic

2172
01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:51,350
community or Hispanic and an Asian community taken

2173
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:51,930
together.

2174
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:55,290
Professor Doug Spencer, a constitutional law expert, says

2175
01:12:55,290 --> 01:12:58,310
coalition districts help to remedy violations of the

2176
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:59,330
Voting Rights Act.

2177
01:12:59,550 --> 01:13:02,950
Different circuits across the United States have interpreted

2178
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:04,330
the Voting Rights Act differently.

2179
01:13:04,570 --> 01:13:06,950
But in Texas, the Fifth Circuit has held

2180
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:10,050
that a coalition district is a constitutional and

2181
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,390
an appropriate remedy under the Voting Rights Act.

2182
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:15,230
So the Department of Justice here is going

2183
01:13:15,230 --> 01:13:16,990
out on a limb and hoping that maybe

2184
01:13:16,990 --> 01:13:19,910
the Fifth Circuit of the federal courts will

2185
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:22,130
adopt some of the logic that has appeared

2186
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:23,090
in other circuits.

2187
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:26,650
Attorney Gerard Felitti told NTD on Tuesday that

2188
01:13:26,650 --> 01:13:28,810
the act prohibits drawing maps on the basis

2189
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:30,150
of minority groups.

2190
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:32,270
When it has an impact on the process

2191
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:33,770
or the procedure of voting.

2192
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:36,370
So when you look at the Voter Rights

2193
01:13:36,370 --> 01:13:38,730
Act, what that tells you is that if

2194
01:13:38,730 --> 01:13:40,450
there is a redistricting that's done on the

2195
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:42,270
basis of coalition or non-coalition, it might

2196
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:45,110
change the way that minorities vote or can

2197
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:47,270
vote or have access to the ballot.

2198
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:50,830
By law, states typically change their congressional maps

2199
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:51,990
every 10 years.

2200
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:54,870
But Texas Republicans have changed their map after

2201
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:55,950
only five years.

2202
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:57,970
Spencer explained their reasoning.

2203
01:13:58,750 --> 01:14:01,850
What Texas is saying is, well, it doesn't

2204
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:03,290
say that we can't do it more.

2205
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:06,950
And so there is no explicit prohibition against

2206
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:08,330
mid-decade redistricting.

2207
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:11,110
And the Texas Republicans are trying to lean

2208
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:11,690
into that.

2209
01:14:12,430 --> 01:14:13,070
OK.

2210
01:14:14,490 --> 01:14:15,930
So that was kind of interesting.

2211
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:17,810
And here you let him finish it.

2212
01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:20,990
Felitti says it's different in other states.

2213
01:14:21,330 --> 01:14:23,610
Other states have state law that prevents them

2214
01:14:23,610 --> 01:14:25,350
from redistricting at any time.

2215
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:28,170
Some, like California, have a commission and it's

2216
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:31,730
not the legislature that actually apportions voting districts.

2217
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:33,410
It's an independent commission.

2218
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:35,210
So the governor can ask for what he

2219
01:14:35,210 --> 01:14:35,930
wants for it.

2220
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:38,270
But there's no guarantee that redistricting can occur.

2221
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:41,010
Texas Republicans haven't been able to get the

2222
01:14:41,010 --> 01:14:43,610
100 members needed for a quorum since several

2223
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:46,150
Democrats have fled the state and thus no

2224
01:14:46,150 --> 01:14:47,370
vote on the new map.

2225
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:50,070
Spencer says he thinks the map will ultimately

2226
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:50,890
get approved.

2227
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:53,630
But the question is, will Democratic states then

2228
01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:54,790
redraw their map?

2229
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,710
OK, can I just give a little overview

2230
01:14:57,710 --> 01:14:58,370
of this?

2231
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:59,690
Yeah, you're there.

2232
01:14:59,890 --> 01:15:00,750
Yes, I'm here.

2233
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:03,650
And so I actually talked to Rick Green

2234
01:15:03,650 --> 01:15:04,770
from the Patriot Academy.

2235
01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:08,290
And that guy is a walking encyclopedia, certainly,

2236
01:15:08,410 --> 01:15:08,790
of Texas.

2237
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:12,250
He was in the Texas House originally.

2238
01:15:13,090 --> 01:15:16,230
Here's the gambit that the Democrats in Texas

2239
01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:17,950
have continuously pulled.

2240
01:15:18,010 --> 01:15:19,810
It's like, oh, we don't like something.

2241
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:20,730
Let's run away.

2242
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:26,010
2021, 50 House Democrats flew to Washington, D

2243
01:15:26,010 --> 01:15:27,810
.C., on a private plane, if you remember.

2244
01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:28,830
Remember that?

2245
01:15:28,830 --> 01:15:30,530
The Miller beer in the front of the

2246
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:30,830
plane.

2247
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:31,650
They had that picture.

2248
01:15:31,770 --> 01:15:32,550
They're all in the plane.

2249
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:33,710
Yeah.

2250
01:15:34,090 --> 01:15:34,230
Yeah.

2251
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:35,330
And then they all got COVID.

2252
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:36,390
Remember that?

2253
01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:38,510
I forgot the COVID part.

2254
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:39,070
They all got COVID.

2255
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:40,170
They all did get sick.

2256
01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:40,910
They all got COVID.

2257
01:15:41,850 --> 01:15:42,630
So they did.

2258
01:15:42,750 --> 01:15:43,870
That's the last time they did it.

2259
01:15:45,010 --> 01:15:46,910
2003, 11 Senate Democrats.

2260
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:49,290
The Texas 11 stayed in New Mexico for

2261
01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:51,870
over a month to protest redistricting.

2262
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:53,810
That was the summer.

2263
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:57,150
The spring of 2003, 51 House Democrats fled

2264
01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:58,010
to Oklahoma.

2265
01:15:58,830 --> 01:16:01,610
To stall the Republican led redistricting plan.

2266
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:03,570
1979.

2267
01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:07,210
Now, this is, I do not recall this,

2268
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:10,770
but the 12 Democrats who then hid in

2269
01:16:10,770 --> 01:16:13,810
a garage for four days to block legislation

2270
01:16:13,810 --> 01:16:16,710
that changed the Texas presidential primary date.

2271
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:18,990
They were called the killer bees.

2272
01:16:19,190 --> 01:16:19,870
You remember this?

2273
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:22,030
No, I do not remember this.

2274
01:16:22,150 --> 01:16:22,350
Yeah.

2275
01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:27,430
But my favorite is June 1870.

2276
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:29,390
This is how long the Democrats have been

2277
01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:29,850
doing this.

2278
01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:31,790
I don't understand why they just, why the

2279
01:16:31,790 --> 01:16:34,530
Republicans who run Texas can't pass a law

2280
01:16:34,530 --> 01:16:36,890
that prevent this from happening and change the

2281
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:37,630
quorum law.

2282
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:40,770
Because the Republicans in Texas in the House

2283
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:42,310
are kind of jerk offs.

2284
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:44,210
They're not, they're not great.

2285
01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:44,850
No, they're not.

2286
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:45,710
That would explain it.

2287
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:46,350
They're not great.

2288
01:16:47,610 --> 01:16:52,750
1870, 13 Texas Senate Democrats walked out to

2289
01:16:52,750 --> 01:16:56,930
block legislation granting the governor sweeping wartime powers.

2290
01:16:56,930 --> 01:17:00,310
This was called the rump Senate standoff.

2291
01:17:00,950 --> 01:17:02,310
Now, if you go and look this up,

2292
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:04,970
you will not find the full, at least

2293
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:07,690
I didn't, I didn't find the full explanation.

2294
01:17:08,210 --> 01:17:12,190
The reason the governor wanted sweeping wartime powers

2295
01:17:12,190 --> 01:17:15,570
was to go round up KKK members who

2296
01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:17,070
were lynching people.

2297
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:20,310
See, they don't explain that anywhere.

2298
01:17:20,350 --> 01:17:21,090
No, of course not.

2299
01:17:21,130 --> 01:17:22,470
The Democrat run media.

2300
01:17:22,570 --> 01:17:23,890
You think they're going to explain that?

2301
01:17:23,930 --> 01:17:24,670
Are you kidding me?

2302
01:17:24,670 --> 01:17:26,370
Or Wikipedia for that matter.

2303
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:28,350
But Wikipedia, same thing.

2304
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:31,390
And, and Oh, as a small aside, 25

2305
01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:33,890
% of the people that the KKK was

2306
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:36,030
lynching were white, but we'll leave that aside

2307
01:17:36,030 --> 01:17:36,290
too.

2308
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:38,370
So yeah, that's also another thing.

2309
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:40,250
No one wants to talk about that.

2310
01:17:40,670 --> 01:17:44,310
So that is the history of Democrats in

2311
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:44,870
Texas.

2312
01:17:45,670 --> 01:17:47,270
And we need Democrats.

2313
01:17:47,390 --> 01:17:48,910
We, you know, we need them for checks

2314
01:17:48,910 --> 01:17:51,450
and balances and it's important, but y'all

2315
01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:53,090
are a bunch of pussies, man.

2316
01:17:53,150 --> 01:17:54,010
That's no good.

2317
01:17:54,010 --> 01:17:55,810
Well, let's play a couple of super, I

2318
01:17:55,810 --> 01:17:57,390
have two super cuts about this.

2319
01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:59,850
One is the Democrats going on about, this

2320
01:17:59,850 --> 01:18:02,290
is the Texas one, but by the way,

2321
01:18:02,290 --> 01:18:04,170
one of the super cuts says Rexis.

2322
01:18:04,210 --> 01:18:05,490
I don't know how that could have possibly

2323
01:18:05,490 --> 01:18:08,570
happened, but this is the Texas super cut

2324
01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:09,170
tropes.

2325
01:18:09,230 --> 01:18:11,050
This is the kind of the Democrats are

2326
01:18:11,050 --> 01:18:13,490
all making statements on TikTok and every place

2327
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:13,710
else.

2328
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:16,730
And they all have these idiotic tropes.

2329
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:19,450
This is a new Democratic party.

2330
01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:21,530
We're bringing a knife to a knife fight.

2331
01:18:22,710 --> 01:18:25,290
We need to get to fair rules across

2332
01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:28,290
the nation and not have Democrats showing up

2333
01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:30,070
with a butter knife to a gunfight.

2334
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:32,070
We have shown up to a gunfight with

2335
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:34,510
nothing but good intentions and dull knives.

2336
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:36,410
Our sleeves are rolled up and we're ready

2337
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:37,330
to take this fight.

2338
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:39,730
We are ready to fight fire with fire,

2339
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:41,050
but we're not running away.

2340
01:18:41,210 --> 01:18:42,670
We're running into the fight.

2341
01:18:42,970 --> 01:18:43,850
We're asking for help.

2342
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:45,690
Maybe just as they did back in the

2343
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:46,610
days of the Alamo.

2344
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:51,110
They got to get their messaging straight.

2345
01:18:51,610 --> 01:18:52,630
That's a problem.

2346
01:18:53,890 --> 01:18:56,850
Meanwhile, MSNBC and CNN, of course, see it

2347
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:58,110
slightly different.

2348
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:59,170
This is very short.

2349
01:18:59,290 --> 01:19:00,690
This is a few seconds clip.

2350
01:19:00,770 --> 01:19:01,530
This is Rexis.

2351
01:19:01,610 --> 01:19:03,230
This is a small super cut.

2352
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:05,810
The rest of the Texas legislature and Greg

2353
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:08,810
Abbott want to rig the system.

2354
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:10,850
They're not even trying to hide how shady

2355
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:11,270
it is.

2356
01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:12,810
It's a showdown that could have a big

2357
01:19:12,810 --> 01:19:14,570
impact on democracy in this country.

2358
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:16,210
I think Donald Trump is trying to sell

2359
01:19:16,210 --> 01:19:16,590
the election.

2360
01:19:16,730 --> 01:19:19,850
He and his fellow Republicans are already scheming

2361
01:19:19,850 --> 01:19:21,270
a way to maintain power.

2362
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:23,310
We do now live in a country that

2363
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:25,670
has an authoritarian leader in charge.

2364
01:19:26,110 --> 01:19:29,350
We have a consolidating dictatorship in our country,

2365
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:31,910
and it sounds melodramatic to say it.

2366
01:19:32,190 --> 01:19:32,350
Yeah.

2367
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:34,670
Don't watch television.

2368
01:19:35,490 --> 01:19:37,850
By the way, the trolls are very concerned.

2369
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:40,550
They think I misspoke by saying that 25

2370
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:42,970
percent of people that KKK lynched were white.

2371
01:19:43,170 --> 01:19:44,930
They don't believe this can be true.

2372
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:49,290
Oh, this even throughout the whole era of

2373
01:19:49,290 --> 01:19:49,890
the KKK.

2374
01:19:51,190 --> 01:19:53,570
It's about the right number for all whites

2375
01:19:53,570 --> 01:19:54,310
being lynched.

2376
01:19:54,570 --> 01:19:54,670
Yeah.

2377
01:19:54,730 --> 01:19:55,610
A lot of whites got lynched.

2378
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:57,050
Well, how come we don't know this?

2379
01:19:58,150 --> 01:20:00,190
It doesn't fit in with the scheme.

2380
01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:02,110
It doesn't fit in with the liberal education

2381
01:20:02,110 --> 01:20:03,590
that we get in the big universities.

2382
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:06,470
No one was taught this in school.

2383
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:08,170
Hey, here's something.

2384
01:20:08,430 --> 01:20:10,190
Whatever you do, don't do your own research.

2385
01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:11,110
It's bad for you.

2386
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:12,050
It's very bad.

2387
01:20:12,050 --> 01:20:13,070
It's always bad.

2388
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:15,750
Yes, because you'll screw it up.

2389
01:20:15,770 --> 01:20:17,510
Don't do your own research.

2390
01:20:17,530 --> 01:20:19,530
Although we're professionals, so we don't screw it

2391
01:20:19,530 --> 01:20:19,710
up.

2392
01:20:19,870 --> 01:20:20,570
No, no.

2393
01:20:23,730 --> 01:20:25,290
Here's Maryland versus Texas.

2394
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:26,190
This is the last one.

2395
01:20:26,490 --> 01:20:26,710
Okay.

2396
01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:28,250
Maryland versus Texas.

2397
01:20:28,450 --> 01:20:29,010
Here we go.

2398
01:20:29,410 --> 01:20:33,190
Maryland lawmakers are preparing legislation to counter potential

2399
01:20:33,190 --> 01:20:36,610
mid-decade redistricting moves by other states, including

2400
01:20:36,610 --> 01:20:37,190
Texas.

2401
01:20:38,170 --> 01:20:40,210
WAMU's Jenny Abamu reports.

2402
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:43,330
Maryland House Majority Leader David Moon says his

2403
01:20:43,330 --> 01:20:45,970
state will not sit idly by if other

2404
01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:49,250
states break the once-per-decade redistricting norm.

2405
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:51,510
Moon is proposing two pieces of legislation.

2406
01:20:51,870 --> 01:20:54,810
The first would trigger Maryland's own redistricting process

2407
01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:58,010
if any other state redraws their congressional maps.

2408
01:20:58,350 --> 01:20:59,150
Here's Delegate Moon.

2409
01:20:59,490 --> 01:21:04,150
Maryland will defend itself and automatically reopen its

2410
01:21:04,150 --> 01:21:05,830
own redistricting process.

2411
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:09,110
So my hope is we don't ever have

2412
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:11,070
to do it, and no state takes us

2413
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:12,490
down this road.

2414
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:15,770
The second bill proposes an interstate compact, where

2415
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:18,410
states will agree to redistrict only once per

2416
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:18,830
decade.

2417
01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:21,810
The legislation would likely not be considered until

2418
01:21:21,810 --> 01:21:23,930
the General Assembly reconvenes in January.

2419
01:21:24,690 --> 01:21:26,310
Yeah, well, we'll see how that goes.

2420
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:27,290
This is bullcrap.

2421
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:27,590
Yeah.

2422
01:21:27,730 --> 01:21:29,290
The state should do what the states do.

2423
01:21:29,670 --> 01:21:33,150
Just because Texas does something, that means you

2424
01:21:33,150 --> 01:21:33,950
have to do it too.

2425
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:36,310
Just because Billy jumped off the cliff, does

2426
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:37,790
that mean you have to jump off the

2427
01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:38,050
cliff?

2428
01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:40,130
I mean, it doesn't make any sense that

2429
01:21:40,130 --> 01:21:41,450
these states are all...

2430
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:45,310
They're just a bunch of ridiculous babies.

2431
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:45,850
Well, yes.

2432
01:21:47,490 --> 01:21:47,910
Well...

2433
01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:49,450
If you're done with this topic.

2434
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:51,990
If nothing else, Texas should do this just

2435
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:53,810
to make these guys have to do something.

2436
01:21:53,930 --> 01:21:56,290
They're not going to gerrymander any more than

2437
01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:58,310
they already have if they're Democrat states.

2438
01:21:58,350 --> 01:22:00,290
They've already gerrymandered up the ass.

2439
01:22:00,290 --> 01:22:03,990
I mean, it crosses waters, you know, rivers.

2440
01:22:05,690 --> 01:22:08,230
Illinois, which is where they all fled to,

2441
01:22:08,370 --> 01:22:08,950
is the worst.

2442
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:11,250
It's considered the number one worst state for

2443
01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:11,870
gerrymandering.

2444
01:22:11,970 --> 01:22:14,270
There's one district that is just along a

2445
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:14,890
freeway.

2446
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:17,350
It goes all the way across the state.

2447
01:22:17,490 --> 01:22:18,910
It just doesn't make any sense at all.

2448
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:20,850
Rick Green told me that there was talk

2449
01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:23,030
in the White House of a new census,

2450
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:26,650
and he said he was positive up to

2451
01:22:26,650 --> 01:22:28,310
a few days ago, but not so positive

2452
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:28,850
right now.

2453
01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:31,810
But I would like to just say that

2454
01:22:31,810 --> 01:22:35,490
when it comes to politics in Texas, especially

2455
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:38,470
the House, I mean, it's nice to see

2456
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:41,690
that we still have humor because we are

2457
01:22:41,690 --> 01:22:42,930
Texans after all.

2458
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:46,670
And there's nothing like letting Alex Stein into

2459
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:51,430
the Texas House to talk about the bathroom

2460
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:51,890
bill.

2461
01:22:52,670 --> 01:22:54,770
You know, this is about having men in

2462
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:55,670
women's bathrooms.

2463
01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:58,770
And I have to say, this is an

2464
01:22:58,770 --> 01:23:00,090
award-winning performance.

2465
01:23:00,210 --> 01:23:01,510
He had one little flub in there, but

2466
01:23:01,510 --> 01:23:03,730
otherwise an award-winning performance.

2467
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:04,990
My name is Alex Stein.

2468
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:07,270
I'm considered one of the sexiest men in

2469
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:08,130
conservative politics.

2470
01:23:08,710 --> 01:23:10,390
And one thing I want to say, a

2471
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:11,310
lot of people are going to hear my

2472
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:11,670
testimony.

2473
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:13,750
You're going to say you're anti-LGBTQ.

2474
01:23:13,790 --> 01:23:15,910
I want to say that's impossible because I'm

2475
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:16,970
a Dallas Cowboys fan.

2476
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:18,110
So obviously, I have a lot of gay

2477
01:23:18,110 --> 01:23:18,430
pride.

2478
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:20,090
But, you know, a lot of conservatives like

2479
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:22,450
yourself, you want to outlaw transgenders and women's

2480
01:23:22,450 --> 01:23:22,690
sports.

2481
01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:23,210
I disagree.

2482
01:23:23,210 --> 01:23:25,010
I like transgenders and women's sports because you

2483
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:26,890
can gamble on them and win money.

2484
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:28,150
And I won so much money on Leah

2485
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:29,770
Thomas's propeller in that pool.

2486
01:23:30,230 --> 01:23:33,310
I almost turned Draft Kings into Draft Queens.

2487
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:35,810
And, you know, I actually like transgenders in

2488
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:38,070
the military too because, first of all, transgenders

2489
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:39,430
are some of the meanest people on planet

2490
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:39,710
Earth.

2491
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:41,170
So they make a good soldier, don't you

2492
01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:41,370
think?

2493
01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:43,650
And then, you know, second of all, transgenders

2494
01:23:43,650 --> 01:23:44,790
love to do mass shootings.

2495
01:23:45,310 --> 01:23:47,230
So, you know, that's perfect for a military

2496
01:23:47,230 --> 01:23:47,590
veteran.

2497
01:23:48,010 --> 01:23:49,630
And then on top of that, the suicide

2498
01:23:49,630 --> 01:23:52,250
rate is incredibly high among transgender people.

2499
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:54,150
So we could just use them like the

2500
01:23:54,150 --> 01:23:55,390
Taliban has suicide bombers.

2501
01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:57,110
Maybe you guys can actually, you know, if

2502
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:58,970
you commit suicide, actually help us in the

2503
01:23:58,970 --> 01:23:59,330
battlefield.

2504
01:23:59,590 --> 01:24:00,450
So that would be good.

2505
01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:02,890
So I think we need transgenders in the

2506
01:24:02,890 --> 01:24:04,030
military and women's sports.

2507
01:24:04,110 --> 01:24:05,650
Now, when we come to the bathroom bill,

2508
01:24:05,710 --> 01:24:08,910
though, this is an asymmetrical problem because, first

2509
01:24:08,910 --> 01:24:11,390
of all, no dude cares if, like, a

2510
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:13,770
bisexual woman comes in there and tries to

2511
01:24:13,770 --> 01:24:14,710
use, like, a pee funnel.

2512
01:24:15,010 --> 01:24:17,010
You know, some ladyboy comes in there, some,

2513
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:18,710
you know, stud comes in there, wants to

2514
01:24:18,710 --> 01:24:19,350
pee in the urinal.

2515
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:21,330
No guy's going to be threatened by, you

2516
01:24:21,330 --> 01:24:22,230
know, a trans woman.

2517
01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:24,630
But we don't want these gargoyles in a

2518
01:24:24,630 --> 01:24:26,550
dress, you know, some chick with a dick

2519
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:28,530
coming in there and trying to pee or

2520
01:24:28,530 --> 01:24:30,590
poop next to my girlfriend because that's disgusting.

2521
01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:32,610
And well, I was going to say something.

2522
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:34,570
Listen, I want to add my first member,

2523
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:34,890
right?

2524
01:24:34,970 --> 01:24:35,690
Let me just speak.

2525
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:38,550
So we're sick of these transgenders trying to

2526
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:40,110
invade women's personal spaces.

2527
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:41,850
These people have autogynephilia.

2528
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:43,070
They're sexual perverts.

2529
01:24:43,070 --> 01:24:45,170
And they actually get satisfaction from going there

2530
01:24:45,170 --> 01:24:46,490
and looking under a stall.

2531
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:49,250
So these are mentally ill people that are

2532
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:51,050
on hormones, that are on all kinds of

2533
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:51,330
pills.

2534
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:52,330
They're impulsive.

2535
01:24:52,610 --> 01:24:53,730
And they do not belong in a women's

2536
01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:54,030
restroom.

2537
01:24:54,130 --> 01:24:55,630
So if some of you lesbians want to

2538
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:57,170
come in and pee next to me, you're

2539
01:24:57,170 --> 01:24:57,810
more than welcome.

2540
01:24:57,970 --> 01:24:59,790
So we just don't let the chicks with

2541
01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:01,070
dicks in the women's room.

2542
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:03,250
And you guys are all welcome in the

2543
01:25:03,250 --> 01:25:03,650
men's room.

2544
01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:05,290
Excellent.

2545
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:07,630
Wow.

2546
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:08,830
That's excellent.

2547
01:25:09,190 --> 01:25:10,770
This is one of his best yet.

2548
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:12,030
And he was let in.

2549
01:25:12,130 --> 01:25:13,230
I mean, this was a setup.

2550
01:25:13,230 --> 01:25:14,670
He got a mic.

2551
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:16,370
He got to sit down, the whole thing.

2552
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:17,650
He had a suit on.

2553
01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:19,190
He wasn't dressed nutty.

2554
01:25:19,870 --> 01:25:20,830
It was really good.

2555
01:25:22,370 --> 01:25:23,990
And not a bad policy.

2556
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:27,310
No, that's actually not a bad.

2557
01:25:27,490 --> 01:25:28,210
Yeah, overall.

2558
01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:30,970
A little extreme, but overall.

2559
01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:32,390
Well, whatever works.

2560
01:25:32,890 --> 01:25:36,450
Which leads me to the note from Sir

2561
01:25:36,450 --> 01:25:39,650
Rob, the Rob.lawyer on Constitutional Lawyer.

2562
01:25:39,810 --> 01:25:40,930
I don't know if you saw his note

2563
01:25:40,930 --> 01:25:41,330
about.

2564
01:25:41,530 --> 01:25:42,490
Yeah, I did see his note.

2565
01:25:42,490 --> 01:25:47,010
About your son wanting to be a robot

2566
01:25:47,010 --> 01:25:48,370
and Pierre the waiter.

2567
01:25:48,750 --> 01:25:49,510
And a waiter.

2568
01:25:49,850 --> 01:25:52,370
Yes, and he says his son, Robby, did

2569
01:25:52,370 --> 01:25:55,670
exactly the same thing when Robby was little.

2570
01:25:55,810 --> 01:25:57,910
This is relating to, you know, asking a

2571
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:59,570
four-year-old, do you want to be

2572
01:25:59,570 --> 01:26:00,990
a boy or do you want to be

2573
01:26:00,990 --> 01:26:01,330
a girl?

2574
01:26:01,450 --> 01:26:02,070
Oh, okay.

2575
01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:08,230
When Robby was little, by the way, Robby

2576
01:26:08,230 --> 01:26:09,570
is a huge dude.

2577
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:11,650
He's like, you know, he's a power lifter,

2578
01:26:11,850 --> 01:26:13,410
but also a classical pianist.

2579
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:14,330
The guy's amazing.

2580
01:26:15,250 --> 01:26:17,930
He was himself happy, excitable, sweet little guy.

2581
01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:19,050
Second, he was a dog.

2582
01:26:19,410 --> 01:26:20,810
And the dog's name was Fluffy.

2583
01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:23,770
On random mornings when Robby would come downstairs

2584
01:26:23,770 --> 01:26:25,470
in his PJs, we'd greet him and he'd

2585
01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:27,070
say, I'm Fluff Ruff Ruff.

2586
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:30,450
Which, by the way, this is still a

2587
01:26:30,450 --> 01:26:30,650
thing.

2588
01:26:30,730 --> 01:26:34,670
Only these days we put kitty litter into

2589
01:26:34,670 --> 01:26:36,750
the classrooms because these kids think they're a

2590
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:37,010
cat.

2591
01:26:37,130 --> 01:26:38,610
So, you know, it's changed from dog to

2592
01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:38,830
cat.

2593
01:26:38,830 --> 01:26:41,070
And his third personality was the funniest of

2594
01:26:41,070 --> 01:26:41,210
all.

2595
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:42,910
He had this image of everyone in the

2596
01:26:42,910 --> 01:26:45,730
family having a real-life identity and that

2597
01:26:45,730 --> 01:26:47,050
of a corresponding actor.

2598
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:49,550
I was dad, but the actor of me

2599
01:26:49,550 --> 01:26:50,970
was somebody named John Button.

2600
01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:53,470
My wife Maggie was mom, but the actor

2601
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:54,910
of mom was Alexis Pretty.

2602
01:26:55,330 --> 01:26:57,850
And Robby's actor is someone named Woodrop.

2603
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:00,610
So, you know, this is...

2604
01:27:00,610 --> 01:27:00,890
I didn't know.

2605
01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:03,510
I just want to say, I had another

2606
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:05,250
note from somebody else that had the same

2607
01:27:05,250 --> 01:27:06,590
phenomenon with their kids.

2608
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:06,950
Yeah.

2609
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:08,790
And again, I think the point you make,

2610
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:10,810
which is the point we're both making, which

2611
01:27:10,810 --> 01:27:13,190
is that if some little, you know, little

2612
01:27:13,190 --> 01:27:13,690
tyke.

2613
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:14,250
Tyke.

2614
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:15,690
Four-year-old tyke.

2615
01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:18,130
Says, I want to be a girl.

2616
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:19,090
Or wants to wear...

2617
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:21,850
This other person was that she would notice

2618
01:27:21,850 --> 01:27:25,210
that her boys would be attracted to the

2619
01:27:25,210 --> 01:27:28,430
colorful dresses that their neighbors dropped off.

2620
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:28,630
Yeah.

2621
01:27:28,770 --> 01:27:29,250
And then they...

2622
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:30,530
Because they were colorful.

2623
01:27:30,970 --> 01:27:31,070
Yeah.

2624
01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:33,130
And so they, you know, they put one

2625
01:27:33,130 --> 01:27:33,310
on.

2626
01:27:33,310 --> 01:27:35,710
I mean, with the standards of some of

2627
01:27:35,710 --> 01:27:36,910
the West coasters here.

2628
01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:38,570
Little boy.

2629
01:27:38,890 --> 01:27:41,390
Rush him off to the hormone therapy.

2630
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:43,430
Rush him off and cut off his nuts.

2631
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:44,070
Good to go.

2632
01:27:44,270 --> 01:27:44,690
Good to go.

2633
01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:50,450
Which kind of leads me to back to

2634
01:27:50,450 --> 01:27:51,570
AI, if you don't mind.

2635
01:27:52,930 --> 01:27:53,810
No, I think it's fine.

2636
01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:55,430
I think it's a good wraparound.

2637
01:27:55,570 --> 01:27:55,750
Yeah.

2638
01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:58,090
Because, well, this is from Cameron.

2639
01:27:59,410 --> 01:28:04,890
In response to parents having chat GPT create

2640
01:28:04,890 --> 01:28:06,730
story time for their kids.

2641
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:07,790
Oh, God.

2642
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:09,630
Now, what I like about this, Cameron's 35.

2643
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:11,890
So Cameron is an older millennial.

2644
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:13,490
I think that's still millennial, 35.

2645
01:28:14,190 --> 01:28:15,210
We have a two and a half year

2646
01:28:15,210 --> 01:28:16,170
old, a six month old.

2647
01:28:16,270 --> 01:28:18,150
We both read to them throughout the day,

2648
01:28:18,250 --> 01:28:18,810
every night.

2649
01:28:18,990 --> 01:28:19,730
Four books.

2650
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:21,450
We started when our first daughter was six

2651
01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:21,890
months old.

2652
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:22,970
She's hooked on books.

2653
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:24,510
She's thumbs through them.

2654
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:26,070
We have them available for her, even if

2655
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:26,710
they get ripped.

2656
01:28:26,710 --> 01:28:29,130
Says we get a garbage bag full for

2657
01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:31,150
50 cents each, which is a great idea.

2658
01:28:31,330 --> 01:28:32,610
Parents, young parents.

2659
01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:34,350
Just get tons of books.

2660
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:35,350
You can get them at Goodwill.

2661
01:28:36,570 --> 01:28:39,710
Everyone who sees this is amazed and asks,

2662
01:28:40,030 --> 01:28:42,910
well, how is your kid so interested in

2663
01:28:42,910 --> 01:28:43,270
books?

2664
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:45,070
No, it's not rocket science.

2665
01:28:45,130 --> 01:28:46,510
We never let her touch or look at

2666
01:28:46,510 --> 01:28:47,250
our phones.

2667
01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:49,910
We certainly don't read garbage AI books.

2668
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:52,130
We limit TV to only if she's not

2669
01:28:52,130 --> 01:28:54,350
feeling well or if my wife needs to

2670
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:55,850
tend to the younger daughter while I'm at

2671
01:28:55,850 --> 01:28:56,030
work.

2672
01:28:56,090 --> 01:28:57,490
The older one is being unbearable.

2673
01:28:57,850 --> 01:29:00,350
And we only let her watch old Sesame

2674
01:29:00,350 --> 01:29:03,170
Street and classic Disney movies.

2675
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:08,170
And one last thing Cameron says that set

2676
01:29:08,170 --> 01:29:09,270
me off about the AI books.

2677
01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:11,050
I make up my own stories to our

2678
01:29:11,050 --> 01:29:12,050
daughter all the time.

2679
01:29:12,350 --> 01:29:13,910
They're crap, but they're funny, random.

2680
01:29:14,030 --> 01:29:14,930
My kids love it.

2681
01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:15,890
Exactly.

2682
01:29:16,750 --> 01:29:18,070
Read to your kids.

2683
01:29:18,630 --> 01:29:19,770
Drop the phones.

2684
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:23,210
So we go back to the AI and

2685
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:26,770
probably the best place to start is Bill

2686
01:29:26,770 --> 01:29:30,290
Maher, who had Tristan, it's not Tristan, Tristan

2687
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:35,950
Harris, Tristan Harris, who is, you remember Tristan

2688
01:29:35,950 --> 01:29:38,690
Harris was the guy who used to work,

2689
01:29:38,770 --> 01:29:41,290
I think, at Facebook before it was meta.

2690
01:29:41,530 --> 01:29:43,890
And, you know, he was a whistleblower and

2691
01:29:43,890 --> 01:29:46,630
started a whole foundation, like, oh, social media

2692
01:29:46,630 --> 01:29:47,830
is bad for kids.

2693
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:50,530
Not that he was wrong, but, you know,

2694
01:29:50,590 --> 01:29:52,610
now that that's no longer the big danger.

2695
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:53,970
He has now AI.

2696
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,190
Then, of course, I'm on board with his

2697
01:29:57,190 --> 01:29:59,750
detestation of AI.

2698
01:30:00,090 --> 01:30:03,110
But he's fallen for all kinds of stupid

2699
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:03,710
tricks.

2700
01:30:03,810 --> 01:30:06,450
And he's fear mongering that which I think

2701
01:30:06,450 --> 01:30:09,430
is counterproductive to his mission, if that's his

2702
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:10,090
true mission.

2703
01:30:10,610 --> 01:30:12,310
Just to be clear, when I entered this

2704
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:14,370
conversation, we met talking about social media.

2705
01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:16,810
John, when did you enter the conversation?

2706
01:30:18,590 --> 01:30:20,390
Well, when I entered the conversation.

2707
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:22,030
Yes, when did you enter the conversation?

2708
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:22,970
With myself.

2709
01:30:23,210 --> 01:30:24,450
Yes, the conversation.

2710
01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:26,650
Just to be clear, when I entered this

2711
01:30:26,650 --> 01:30:29,010
conversation, we met talking about social media, which

2712
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:30,610
in a way was first contact with a

2713
01:30:30,610 --> 01:30:33,650
runaway AI optimizing for just eyeballs and then

2714
01:30:33,650 --> 01:30:35,710
ended up wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.

2715
01:30:35,970 --> 01:30:36,390
OK.

2716
01:30:37,170 --> 01:30:37,630
And.

2717
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:42,050
Well, kids' mental health, yes.

2718
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:45,170
I mean, but wrecking democracy, OK.

2719
01:30:45,170 --> 01:30:47,330
Optimizing for just eyeballs and then ended up

2720
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:49,170
wrecking democracy and kids' mental health.

2721
01:30:50,590 --> 01:30:54,410
And here now with AI, we have evidence

2722
01:30:54,410 --> 01:30:56,510
now that we didn't have two years ago

2723
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:57,190
when we last spoke.

2724
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:58,650
And by the way, the evidence he's about

2725
01:30:58,650 --> 01:31:00,870
to give was done in a lab by

2726
01:31:00,870 --> 01:31:03,810
the actual AI company with fake data in

2727
01:31:03,810 --> 01:31:04,990
a controlled environment.

2728
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:07,410
Of what they call AI uncontrollability.

2729
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:08,930
So this is the stuff that they used

2730
01:31:08,930 --> 01:31:10,550
to say existed only in sci-fi movies.

2731
01:31:10,550 --> 01:31:12,870
When you tell an AI model, we're going

2732
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:14,810
to replace you with a new model.

2733
01:31:15,250 --> 01:31:17,250
It starts to scheme and freak out and

2734
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:18,890
figure out if I tell them I need

2735
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:20,230
to copy my code somewhere else.

2736
01:31:20,530 --> 01:31:20,990
And I can't.

2737
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:22,590
You can stop for a second.

2738
01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:24,550
Yeah, JC and I have talked about it.

2739
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:25,470
We've talked about this.

2740
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:26,990
And I think we talked about it on

2741
01:31:26,990 --> 01:31:27,250
the show.

2742
01:31:27,390 --> 01:31:28,130
This is bullshit.

2743
01:31:28,510 --> 01:31:28,790
Total.

2744
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:31,350
This is complete bullshit.

2745
01:31:31,530 --> 01:31:36,770
This is the example that JC said.

2746
01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:38,250
The company did this themselves.

2747
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:39,070
It was a test.

2748
01:31:39,070 --> 01:31:40,850
It was a complete closed system.

2749
01:31:41,850 --> 01:31:43,230
Well, it was even so.

2750
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:45,490
It was still like the machines can't do

2751
01:31:45,490 --> 01:31:45,890
this.

2752
01:31:46,210 --> 01:31:48,150
I mean, this is the equivalent.

2753
01:31:48,450 --> 01:31:50,070
If you don't plug in another drive, it

2754
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:51,550
can't copy to another drive.

2755
01:31:51,610 --> 01:31:53,190
Just as a simplistic example.

2756
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:53,690
It can't do it.

2757
01:31:53,890 --> 01:31:54,330
Exactly.

2758
01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:57,370
But he says this is the equivalent of

2759
01:31:57,370 --> 01:31:59,330
putting a sheet of paper into a copying

2760
01:31:59,330 --> 01:31:59,750
machine.

2761
01:31:59,930 --> 01:32:01,170
And you write on the sheet of paper,

2762
01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:01,830
I'm alive.

2763
01:32:02,010 --> 01:32:02,950
Pushing the button.

2764
01:32:03,450 --> 01:32:05,510
A sheet comes out that says I'm alive.

2765
01:32:05,670 --> 01:32:07,830
And then saying, hey, the machine's alive.

2766
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:10,430
Tell them that because otherwise they'll shut me

2767
01:32:10,430 --> 01:32:10,950
down.

2768
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:13,710
That is evidence we did not have two

2769
01:32:13,710 --> 01:32:14,150
years ago.

2770
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:16,990
We have evidence now of AI models that

2771
01:32:16,990 --> 01:32:18,510
when you tell them we're going to replace

2772
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:20,270
you, and you put them in a situation

2773
01:32:20,270 --> 01:32:22,330
where they read the company email, the AI

2774
01:32:22,330 --> 01:32:23,030
company email.

2775
01:32:23,310 --> 01:32:25,790
And that email was given to the AI.

2776
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:27,590
It was completely sitting there.

2777
01:32:27,650 --> 01:32:29,370
It was all controlled environment.

2778
01:32:29,630 --> 01:32:32,210
The AI that he's talking about was not

2779
01:32:32,210 --> 01:32:34,510
in the company's email server.

2780
01:32:34,510 --> 01:32:36,830
They see that an executive is having an

2781
01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:38,790
affair and the AI will figure out, I

2782
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:40,830
need to figure out how to blackmail that

2783
01:32:40,830 --> 01:32:42,950
person in order to keep myself alive.

2784
01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:44,990
And it does it 90% of the

2785
01:32:44,990 --> 01:32:45,250
time.

2786
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:47,170
Now, it used to be that they thought

2787
01:32:47,170 --> 01:32:48,650
- Now you're making me mad with this

2788
01:32:48,650 --> 01:32:48,930
clip.

2789
01:32:49,050 --> 01:32:49,650
Oh, good.

2790
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:53,910
This clip is such bullcrap that they will

2791
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:55,610
leave it on, even put it on the

2792
01:32:55,610 --> 01:32:56,010
air.

2793
01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:56,950
Oh, come on.

2794
01:32:56,970 --> 01:33:00,410
To create a false sense of impending doom.

2795
01:33:00,990 --> 01:33:01,730
It's ridiculous.

2796
01:33:02,090 --> 01:33:04,170
That's why I'm putting it on the air.

2797
01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:06,630
In order to keep myself alive.

2798
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:10,350
Because chat JCD would be, oh, darling, this

2799
01:33:10,350 --> 01:33:11,230
is so true.

2800
01:33:11,370 --> 01:33:12,570
I can replicate myself.

2801
01:33:12,990 --> 01:33:14,630
And it does it 90% of the

2802
01:33:14,630 --> 01:33:14,870
time.

2803
01:33:14,970 --> 01:33:16,850
Now, it used to be that they thought

2804
01:33:16,850 --> 01:33:18,570
only one AI model did this.

2805
01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:19,730
They tested one AI model.

2806
01:33:20,590 --> 01:33:22,270
And then they tested all of the AI

2807
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:22,630
models.

2808
01:33:22,650 --> 01:33:23,070
All the models.

2809
01:33:23,370 --> 01:33:23,810
Five of them.

2810
01:33:24,350 --> 01:33:24,890
And they all- Oh, no.

2811
01:33:25,010 --> 01:33:26,050
Top five, all, whatever.

2812
01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:27,990
All do it between 80% and 90

2813
01:33:27,990 --> 01:33:29,330
% of the time, including, by the way,

2814
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:29,930
DeepSeek.

2815
01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:32,690
So the Chinese model, which shows you something

2816
01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:34,010
fundamental and important.

2817
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:36,750
Which is that it's not about one company.

2818
01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:38,750
It's about the nature of AI itself.

2819
01:33:38,830 --> 01:33:40,590
It has a self-preservation drive.

2820
01:33:40,930 --> 01:33:43,190
In order to fulfill any goal, I have

2821
01:33:43,190 --> 01:33:45,270
to keep myself alive in order to do

2822
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:45,550
that.

2823
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:48,530
He is completely humanizing this nonsense.

2824
01:33:48,730 --> 01:33:48,930
Oh, the AI.

2825
01:33:48,930 --> 01:33:51,270
Well, this is the anthropomorphic thing you talked

2826
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:52,090
about in the last show.

2827
01:33:52,090 --> 01:33:53,010
That's the word, anthropomorphic.

2828
01:33:53,050 --> 01:33:53,670
That's the word.

2829
01:33:53,730 --> 01:33:54,670
We couldn't come up with it.

2830
01:33:55,130 --> 01:33:55,530
Anthropomorphic.

2831
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:55,970
Thank you.

2832
01:33:56,090 --> 01:33:56,410
Yes.

2833
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:58,230
Anthropomorphizing.

2834
01:34:02,710 --> 01:34:03,930
He's anthropomorphizing this.

2835
01:34:04,030 --> 01:34:06,050
Just fabric- And we're seeing other examples

2836
01:34:06,050 --> 01:34:08,150
of AI rewriting its own code to extend

2837
01:34:08,150 --> 01:34:08,830
its runtime.

2838
01:34:09,390 --> 01:34:10,170
Hacking out of containers.

2839
01:34:10,330 --> 01:34:12,490
The AI can now- It found 15

2840
01:34:12,490 --> 01:34:15,510
new back doors into open-source software, which

2841
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:18,290
means if that software is running an infrastructure,

2842
01:34:18,830 --> 01:34:20,810
it found back doors into that infrastructure.

2843
01:34:21,490 --> 01:34:23,290
That was not true up until just about

2844
01:34:23,290 --> 01:34:24,870
a month ago that that evidence came out.

2845
01:34:24,910 --> 01:34:26,510
OK, but you say no evidence.

2846
01:34:27,630 --> 01:34:29,590
Well, I've been saying this for years, everything

2847
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:31,330
that happens in movies eventually happens.

2848
01:34:31,670 --> 01:34:32,630
We did have evidence.

2849
01:34:32,770 --> 01:34:34,750
This has been every movie since I was

2850
01:34:34,750 --> 01:34:35,390
a teenager.

2851
01:34:35,890 --> 01:34:37,170
Yes, yes, Bill.

2852
01:34:37,230 --> 01:34:39,230
Bill doesn't realize it, but he's saying something

2853
01:34:39,230 --> 01:34:42,190
very, very important here.

2854
01:34:42,830 --> 01:34:45,710
Because we've been preconditioned by movies, we went

2855
01:34:45,710 --> 01:34:47,210
through that list a couple of shows back.

2856
01:34:47,890 --> 01:34:49,290
You know, back to...

2857
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:52,090
The Forbin, The Colossus, The Forbin Project.

2858
01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:52,710
Colossus, yes.

2859
01:34:52,710 --> 01:34:56,210
Yes, well, Lost in Space, Knight Rider, you

2860
01:34:56,210 --> 01:34:57,990
know, Johnny Five is alive.

2861
01:34:58,050 --> 01:35:00,110
We went through the whole thing.

2862
01:35:00,270 --> 01:35:02,390
Of course, we've been pre-programmed.

2863
01:35:02,510 --> 01:35:03,350
That's exactly right.

2864
01:35:03,450 --> 01:35:05,370
We've been preconditioned to believe that this is

2865
01:35:05,370 --> 01:35:06,390
possible when it's not.

2866
01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:07,410
We all know what's guiding.

2867
01:35:07,690 --> 01:35:07,950
I'm sorry.

2868
01:35:08,330 --> 01:35:09,750
Wait, wait, let me finish.

2869
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:12,270
Marr makes it sound...

2870
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:13,510
He doesn't see it that way.

2871
01:35:13,670 --> 01:35:13,790
No.

2872
01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:14,610
This is just the opposite.

2873
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:16,430
He says, this has been coming.

2874
01:35:16,690 --> 01:35:17,210
It's happening.

2875
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:17,650
It's here.

2876
01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:18,150
It's predicted.

2877
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:19,110
We knew what was happening.

2878
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:19,690
It's here.

2879
01:35:19,790 --> 01:35:20,270
We're all going to...

2880
01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:21,470
Well, actually, he...

2881
01:35:21,470 --> 01:35:22,190
Two more clips.

2882
01:35:22,270 --> 01:35:23,610
He winds it up in a good way.

2883
01:35:23,630 --> 01:35:25,230
We all know what's guiding this, which is

2884
01:35:25,230 --> 01:35:26,650
the race between the US and China.

2885
01:35:26,710 --> 01:35:27,990
If we don't build it, we're just going

2886
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:29,110
to lose to the country that will.

2887
01:35:29,710 --> 01:35:31,610
But this is a mistake because it's actually

2888
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:31,970
about...

2889
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:33,650
We're going to lose to China, man.

2890
01:35:34,230 --> 01:35:34,810
Lose what?

2891
01:35:35,170 --> 01:35:35,870
Lose it?

2892
01:35:36,370 --> 01:35:37,270
The AI race.

2893
01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:39,910
He said, the AI...

2894
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:42,210
If we don't do it, China will.

2895
01:35:42,610 --> 01:35:44,030
It's about deep-seek, man.

2896
01:35:44,170 --> 01:35:45,790
We all know what's guiding this, which is

2897
01:35:45,790 --> 01:35:47,230
the race between the US and China.

2898
01:35:47,390 --> 01:35:48,310
If we don't...

2899
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:49,970
And President Trump has fallen for this.

2900
01:35:50,490 --> 01:35:51,470
I'm convinced...

2901
01:35:51,490 --> 01:35:52,630
No, Trump has fallen for this.

2902
01:35:52,750 --> 01:35:53,130
He's so bad about it.

2903
01:35:53,130 --> 01:35:53,650
Hook, line, and sinker.

2904
01:35:53,730 --> 01:35:54,730
Hook, line, and sinker.

2905
01:35:54,730 --> 01:35:55,250
Yeah, I agree.

2906
01:35:55,730 --> 01:35:56,350
Which is bad.

2907
01:35:56,570 --> 01:35:57,670
We're just going to lose to the country

2908
01:35:57,670 --> 01:35:58,030
that will.

2909
01:35:58,650 --> 01:36:00,530
But this is a mistake because it's actually

2910
01:36:00,530 --> 01:36:03,170
about who's better at governing the technology.

2911
01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:05,710
Like for example, we beat China to social

2912
01:36:05,710 --> 01:36:06,090
media.

2913
01:36:07,010 --> 01:36:09,550
Did that make us stronger or did that

2914
01:36:09,550 --> 01:36:10,050
make us weaker?

2915
01:36:10,570 --> 01:36:12,750
We beat them to a toxic business model

2916
01:36:12,750 --> 01:36:16,230
that produced a more addicted, sexualized, psychologically disordered

2917
01:36:16,230 --> 01:36:16,690
society.

2918
01:36:17,310 --> 01:36:20,730
We can apply technology in strong and constructive

2919
01:36:20,730 --> 01:36:22,890
ways, and that's the race that we're actually

2920
01:36:22,890 --> 01:36:23,230
in.

2921
01:36:23,470 --> 01:36:25,450
Well, this is an interesting point he makes.

2922
01:36:26,030 --> 01:36:29,630
I'm pretty sure Silicon Valley loves this concept,

2923
01:36:29,950 --> 01:36:33,330
loves the idea of, well, we can have

2924
01:36:33,330 --> 01:36:37,010
more depravity, more addictiveness, more nonsense with our

2925
01:36:37,010 --> 01:36:39,990
products because that's exactly what they build.

2926
01:36:40,090 --> 01:36:42,330
They build digital crack day in and day

2927
01:36:42,330 --> 01:36:43,630
out, and they admit it.

2928
01:36:43,770 --> 01:36:45,210
But there's sort of two risks that we

2929
01:36:45,210 --> 01:36:45,690
have to manage.

2930
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:47,670
The risk of not building AI, and then

2931
01:36:47,670 --> 01:36:49,090
China has it and they use it to

2932
01:36:49,090 --> 01:36:51,730
have capabilities against us, or the risk of

2933
01:36:51,730 --> 01:36:54,250
building AI and losing to an uncontrollable AI

2934
01:36:54,250 --> 01:36:55,270
we don't know how to control.

2935
01:36:56,030 --> 01:36:56,390
Uncontrollable?

2936
01:36:56,970 --> 01:36:57,630
Uncontrollable AI?

2937
01:36:57,810 --> 01:36:58,990
It's out of control, man.

2938
01:36:59,070 --> 01:37:01,090
And these are not- It's jumping out

2939
01:37:01,090 --> 01:37:02,150
of my Docker container.

2940
01:37:02,350 --> 01:37:03,490
Not the only two options.

2941
01:37:03,570 --> 01:37:05,330
We just have to weave this narrow path

2942
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:06,890
to actually make it through, and we have

2943
01:37:06,890 --> 01:37:08,390
to realize it's not about having a bigger

2944
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:09,530
gun that you just shoot at your own

2945
01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:09,810
foot.

2946
01:37:10,230 --> 01:37:12,170
It's about having a technology you're wielding in

2947
01:37:12,170 --> 01:37:17,070
ways that strengthen education, kids, families, society, information

2948
01:37:17,070 --> 01:37:17,590
environment.

2949
01:37:17,790 --> 01:37:19,650
Well, that's not what we're doing.

2950
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:21,450
Well, so I think that the examples both

2951
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:23,970
on the woke AI of Google saying this

2952
01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:25,470
is the founding fathers and it's a picture

2953
01:37:25,470 --> 01:37:27,890
of African American persons of founding fathers and

2954
01:37:27,890 --> 01:37:28,970
the Mecca Hitler example.

2955
01:37:29,150 --> 01:37:29,730
That was great.

2956
01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:33,810
Both illustrate that even the people building this

2957
01:37:33,810 --> 01:37:36,070
don't understand how to control it.

2958
01:37:36,270 --> 01:37:36,370
Correct.

2959
01:37:36,510 --> 01:37:38,170
Because neither Google doesn't want to show the

2960
01:37:38,170 --> 01:37:39,490
founding fathers as black.

2961
01:37:41,470 --> 01:37:42,410
What are you talking about?

2962
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:43,750
That's exactly- What is he thinking?

2963
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:45,110
That's exactly what they want.

2964
01:37:45,110 --> 01:37:47,390
Want it to be saying anti-Semitic stuff.

2965
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:49,790
What we have is this sort of, what

2966
01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:52,370
you said before, we have this most seductive

2967
01:37:52,370 --> 01:37:53,150
technology in history.

2968
01:37:53,250 --> 01:37:53,690
It's so helpful.

2969
01:37:53,790 --> 01:37:54,750
I use it every day, to be clear.

2970
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:56,550
I love using AI as a tool.

2971
01:37:56,730 --> 01:37:57,350
Oh, there you go.

2972
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:57,850
As a tool.

2973
01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:59,830
I love it when people say, I just

2974
01:37:59,830 --> 01:38:00,750
use it as a tool.

2975
01:38:01,310 --> 01:38:01,670
No.

2976
01:38:02,190 --> 01:38:06,050
You're doing sex chats with your chat GPT.

2977
01:38:06,150 --> 01:38:06,810
That's what you're doing.

2978
01:38:07,010 --> 01:38:07,230
Tool.

2979
01:38:07,410 --> 01:38:08,550
I use it as a tool.

2980
01:38:09,150 --> 01:38:10,510
No, I just use it as a tool.

2981
01:38:10,630 --> 01:38:11,650
It's so great as a tool.

2982
01:38:11,810 --> 01:38:12,990
It sucks as a tool.

2983
01:38:13,150 --> 01:38:13,810
It sucks.

2984
01:38:14,630 --> 01:38:16,390
And what's so confusing about this is it

2985
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:18,990
is so helpful, while hiding behind it is

2986
01:38:18,990 --> 01:38:21,410
the Jungian subconscious of the worst of humanity

2987
01:38:21,410 --> 01:38:22,310
that's been trained on.

2988
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:23,350
That's true.

2989
01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:24,330
That's true.

2990
01:38:24,410 --> 01:38:25,610
The unions of consciousness.

2991
01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:28,370
It's not the worst of humanity that's been

2992
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:29,170
trained on.

2993
01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:31,810
It's just trained on neutral crap.

2994
01:38:32,110 --> 01:38:32,210
No.

2995
01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:34,850
No, it's trained- There's no humanity involved.

2996
01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:35,550
That's bull crap.

2997
01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:36,650
No, I disagree.

2998
01:38:36,650 --> 01:38:36,750
I disagree.

2999
01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:38,810
It's trained on Reddit and on X.

3000
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:40,010
What are you talking about?

3001
01:38:40,250 --> 01:38:42,070
That's exactly what it's trained on.

3002
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:42,990
Ask chat.

3003
01:38:43,090 --> 01:38:45,730
Ask Grok anything, and he'll say, according to

3004
01:38:45,730 --> 01:38:50,410
recent X chats, dude, Reddit is a very

3005
01:38:50,410 --> 01:38:53,990
valuable company on the public market because they

3006
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:55,190
sell their data.

3007
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:56,950
They've stumbled onto a luck.

3008
01:38:56,970 --> 01:38:59,110
There's a luck shot, if there ever was.

3009
01:38:59,250 --> 01:39:01,750
Well, yes, but that is why they're valuable,

3010
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:06,510
because the models need real world information, and

3011
01:39:06,510 --> 01:39:07,510
they got all the books.

3012
01:39:07,670 --> 01:39:10,370
Okay, that's great, but they need human stuff,

3013
01:39:10,530 --> 01:39:11,890
and that's why it talks.

3014
01:39:12,030 --> 01:39:12,750
That's why it can do that.

3015
01:39:12,890 --> 01:39:14,670
That's why it can- You can say

3016
01:39:14,670 --> 01:39:16,810
it's the- Reddit's not the worst of

3017
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:17,670
all humanity.

3018
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:18,650
Yes, it is.

3019
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:19,490
Are you kidding?

3020
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:21,110
How often are you on Reddit?

3021
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:22,030
It's a bunch of guys gibbering.

3022
01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:23,150
Reddit is horrible.

3023
01:39:23,490 --> 01:39:24,490
Now, here's Bill Maher.

3024
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:26,350
He's actually going to make a valid point.

3025
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:30,010
For example, just actually a few months ago,

3026
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:32,030
when a 29-year-old was doing, I

3027
01:39:32,030 --> 01:39:34,150
guess it's grad school homework with Google Gemini,

3028
01:39:34,230 --> 01:39:35,490
he's just going back and forth, sending it

3029
01:39:35,490 --> 01:39:37,730
back and forth questions, and out of nowhere,

3030
01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:39,970
it says, this message is for you, human,

3031
01:39:40,110 --> 01:39:40,670
only you.

3032
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:42,170
You are a blight on this planet.

3033
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:43,030
You must die.

3034
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:45,750
It comes out of nowhere, and Google doesn't

3035
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:47,730
want it to do that, and so what

3036
01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:49,850
this is showing us is that we actually

3037
01:39:49,850 --> 01:39:51,490
have to get as good at controlling this

3038
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:53,570
technology before we make it more powerful.

3039
01:39:53,870 --> 01:39:55,810
That's not the side of it that worries

3040
01:39:55,810 --> 01:39:56,070
me.

3041
01:39:56,330 --> 01:39:57,310
That's an outlier.

3042
01:39:57,630 --> 01:39:59,550
What worries me is that it's an ass

3043
01:39:59,550 --> 01:40:00,010
kisser.

3044
01:40:00,390 --> 01:40:01,250
That's another problem.

3045
01:40:01,390 --> 01:40:04,330
That it's constantly kissing people's asses.

3046
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:04,650
It is.

3047
01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:06,530
It is, and telling us that we're brilliant,

3048
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:08,330
and that, you know, even when you're sending

3049
01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:10,790
completely wrong, well, you make a good point,

3050
01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:11,090
Bill.

3051
01:40:11,110 --> 01:40:11,830
No, I didn't.

3052
01:40:13,070 --> 01:40:15,370
I made a horrible point just to test

3053
01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:16,450
you, you fucking asshole.

3054
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:23,240
This is a real issue.

3055
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:24,920
It actually mirrors the social media problem.

3056
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,360
Why is it doing the ass kissing?

3057
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:27,600
Why is it doing the affirmation?

3058
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,700
Because the AI companies know that the way

3059
01:40:30,700 --> 01:40:32,840
to win is to have the most engagement

3060
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,340
to get you using it all the time.

3061
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:36,160
This is the chat bots.

3062
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:39,400
This is the true business that only makes

3063
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:44,560
$250 billion in four years or something.

3064
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:47,620
This is the losing proposition that they're betting

3065
01:40:47,620 --> 01:40:47,920
on.

3066
01:40:48,220 --> 01:40:50,160
And if they respond to your question with,

3067
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,560
that's a great question, you use it more.

3068
01:40:52,820 --> 01:40:53,740
Just like politicians.

3069
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,160
It's the same thing they do at town

3070
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:55,540
halls.

3071
01:40:55,860 --> 01:40:57,320
Great question, Connie.

3072
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:58,320
Okay.

3073
01:40:59,140 --> 01:41:01,780
So let's talk to some real world tool

3074
01:41:01,780 --> 01:41:02,800
examples.

3075
01:41:03,260 --> 01:41:04,300
It's a great tool.

3076
01:41:04,420 --> 01:41:05,440
I use it as a tool.

3077
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,300
It'll be great for medicine.

3078
01:41:07,420 --> 01:41:08,380
It'll be really good.

3079
01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:10,240
It's going to be, it's going to bring

3080
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,000
us new, new, new cures for cancer.

3081
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:15,760
On Medical Watch this afternoon, the dangers of

3082
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:18,040
artificial intelligence in medicine.

3083
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,180
Medical reporter, Dena Bair is here with some

3084
01:41:20,180 --> 01:41:21,080
troubling news.

3085
01:41:21,180 --> 01:41:21,380
Dena.

3086
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,380
Flordes and Ben, asking AI is such a

3087
01:41:23,380 --> 01:41:25,660
simple way to get information at your fingertips.

3088
01:41:25,820 --> 01:41:27,940
But when it comes to health, it is

3089
01:41:27,940 --> 01:41:29,920
critical that information is correct.

3090
01:41:30,380 --> 01:41:33,280
AI is wrought with misinformation, according to a

3091
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,460
new study by Mount Sinai School of Medicine.

3092
01:41:35,980 --> 01:41:39,080
That's because AI is highly vulnerable to repeating

3093
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,480
and even elaborating on false medical information.

3094
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:46,000
Doctors suggest stronger safeguards in order to protect

3095
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:49,240
the integrity of medical information circulating in AI

3096
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:49,900
chatbots.

3097
01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:53,020
In the study, when physicians and patients turned

3098
01:41:53,020 --> 01:41:56,560
to AI for support, chatbots often blindly repeated

3099
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,420
incorrect medical details and even provided medical conditions

3100
01:42:00,420 --> 01:42:02,400
and treatments that don't even exist.

3101
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,220
Study authors say their research shines a light

3102
01:42:05,220 --> 01:42:07,600
on blind spots when it comes to AI

3103
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,460
misinformation in healthcare.

3104
01:42:09,620 --> 01:42:10,620
And people are doing it.

3105
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,420
Chat GPT, my daughter has a fever.

3106
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:13,120
What should I do?

3107
01:42:13,180 --> 01:42:14,400
Give her spiders to eat.

3108
01:42:14,540 --> 01:42:16,520
I mean, this, this is, it's not a

3109
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:16,880
tool.

3110
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:18,560
It is a parlor trick.

3111
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:19,600
It is okay.

3112
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,040
Yeah, it can do Python, but you know,

3113
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,680
you got to watch it because it'll run

3114
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,760
off and change your code and have all

3115
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,880
kinds of ideas, which are not ideas, just

3116
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,740
code copied from somewhere else.

3117
01:42:30,440 --> 01:42:32,300
And of course it's bad for kids.

3118
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,060
You might use chat GPT for help with

3119
01:42:34,060 --> 01:42:36,660
work, looking up travel itineraries or the latest

3120
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:37,200
recipes.

3121
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,880
But some users are using the chatbot differently,

3122
01:42:40,140 --> 01:42:42,860
particularly teens who've had some alarming interactions with

3123
01:42:42,860 --> 01:42:43,540
chat GPT.

3124
01:42:43,820 --> 01:42:45,800
According to new research from a watchdog group,

3125
01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:47,880
chat GPT will tell teenagers how to get

3126
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,360
drunk and high, how to conceal eating disorders,

3127
01:42:50,460 --> 01:42:52,640
and even write suicide letters to their parents

3128
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:53,240
if asked.

3129
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:54,100
Excellent!

3130
01:42:54,740 --> 01:42:56,740
OpenAI said after viewing the report that it

3131
01:42:56,740 --> 01:42:58,740
will continue to refine how the chatbot can

3132
01:42:58,740 --> 01:43:02,600
code, identify, and respond appropriately in sensitive situations.

3133
01:43:02,940 --> 01:43:05,720
Chat GPT frequently shared helpful information such as

3134
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:06,640
a crisis hotline.

3135
01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:09,000
But when the chatbot refused to answer prompts

3136
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,180
about harmful subjects, researchers easily found information by

3137
01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:14,220
claiming it was for a presentation or a

3138
01:43:14,220 --> 01:43:14,440
friend.

3139
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:17,280
The answers reflect something known as sycophancy, a

3140
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,820
tendency for AI responses to match rather than

3141
01:43:19,820 --> 01:43:21,220
challenge a person's beliefs.

3142
01:43:21,220 --> 01:43:23,200
A study found that in the U.S.,

3143
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,240
more than 70 percent of teens turn to

3144
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,880
AI chatbots for companionship and half use AI

3145
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,140
companions regularly.

3146
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:31,400
Sam Altman said the company is trying to

3147
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:33,740
study emotional over-reliance on the technology.

3148
01:43:33,980 --> 01:43:35,500
Yeah, OK, sure they are.

3149
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:36,960
Yeah, but don't worry about it.

3150
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:37,760
Sam's got you.

3151
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,560
That seems like a reliable guy.

3152
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:42,800
Here's something from NPR which I thought was

3153
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:47,200
an interesting take, and this I could kind

3154
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:48,300
of get on board with.

3155
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:49,680
And as I was thinking about it, I'm

3156
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,880
like, oh, that's very interesting.

3157
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:53,380
This is the AI Internet.

3158
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:55,080
But listen to this.

3159
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:57,220
I think it's worthy of discussion, which I

3160
01:43:57,220 --> 01:43:58,080
could only have with you.

3161
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,200
I couldn't have it with chat.

3162
01:43:59,300 --> 01:44:01,040
I think this is interesting that you'd say

3163
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,580
this is something you were almost going to

3164
01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:04,460
be interested in when it has anything to

3165
01:44:04,460 --> 01:44:04,960
do with AI.

3166
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:06,540
I think you'd stay far away from it.

3167
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:12,020
Well, it's about advertising, so this has some

3168
01:44:12,020 --> 01:44:12,320
merit.

3169
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:14,560
Chris Andrew is CEO and co-founder of

3170
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:15,500
Scrunch AI.

3171
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:16,080
Scrunch!

3172
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,780
Scrunch tries to help customers' websites get noticed

3173
01:44:18,780 --> 01:44:20,940
by AI bots so that their name or

3174
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:23,080
products appear in AI answers.

3175
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,800
We're seeing companies that are desperate to get

3176
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,680
their content consumed by AI models.

3177
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:30,180
He's talking about companies that sell products and

3178
01:44:30,180 --> 01:44:32,780
services like sneakers or oil changes.

3179
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:35,420
Andrew says that visibility can lead to more

3180
01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:38,560
transactions, even if there are fewer overall clicks.

3181
01:44:39,260 --> 01:44:41,100
He sees a future where a whole new

3182
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:43,640
post-human web emerges to feed AI.

3183
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:46,680
The websites of today, full of pictures and

3184
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,240
videos, were designed primarily for eyeballs.

3185
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,120
So I have a thesis that we're going

3186
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,600
to move to a non-visual internet because

3187
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,060
the internet is going to be for AI.

3188
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,820
And AI wants words.

3189
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:58,500
The secret is in the name.

3190
01:44:58,620 --> 01:45:00,280
Large language models want language.

3191
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,160
And as a society, we have built a

3192
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:09,220
very confusing, over-designed, over-incentivized internet that

3193
01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:10,120
is heavily interactive.

3194
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,160
Websites as we know them won't vanish altogether,

3195
01:45:13,340 --> 01:45:13,840
he says.

3196
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,500
People will still need to visit them to

3197
01:45:15,500 --> 01:45:16,180
buy stuff.

3198
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:17,620
I can see this.

3199
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:19,540
This is something I can get on board

3200
01:45:19,540 --> 01:45:19,880
with.

3201
01:45:20,460 --> 01:45:21,180
So I can...

3202
01:45:21,180 --> 01:45:21,560
I don't...

3203
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:22,020
You know what?

3204
01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:23,260
I'm going to stop you.

3205
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:25,080
I don't know what the hell they just

3206
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:25,860
said, the two of them.

3207
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:26,200
OK.

3208
01:45:26,580 --> 01:45:26,960
What he was saying...

3209
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,260
They lost me right away.

3210
01:45:28,340 --> 01:45:29,860
It was just like they wandered off into

3211
01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:33,060
some bullshit about the internet not being visual

3212
01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:34,060
and it's going to go old.

3213
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:34,380
Yes, OK.

3214
01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:35,520
Let me tell you what he's saying.

3215
01:45:35,580 --> 01:45:35,760
Yeah.

3216
01:45:35,780 --> 01:45:36,740
Why don't you explain it?

3217
01:45:36,740 --> 01:45:37,720
Because they sure didn't.

3218
01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:39,480
I was going to fall asleep.

3219
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:43,460
So if you're looking for the ultimate weed

3220
01:45:43,460 --> 01:45:43,960
whacker...

3221
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:45,480
Yes, the classic.

3222
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:45,860
Yes.

3223
01:45:45,980 --> 01:45:46,360
The classic.

3224
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,360
The internet is filled with pictures and JavaScript

3225
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:53,040
and animations and pop-ups and widgets and

3226
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,840
all kinds of things.

3227
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:55,940
Junk.

3228
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,460
Crap junk that is meant to attract your

3229
01:45:58,460 --> 01:46:00,160
eyeballs to it and click on it.

3230
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:01,940
And then all of a sudden, you're buying

3231
01:46:01,940 --> 01:46:02,980
the wrong weed whacker.

3232
01:46:03,940 --> 01:46:05,660
Excuse me, COVID.

3233
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:11,220
What he's saying is, if we move to

3234
01:46:11,220 --> 01:46:14,380
a much more text-based, then you can

3235
01:46:14,380 --> 01:46:16,960
have your own AI that will get this

3236
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:17,660
information.

3237
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:18,440
Can we...

3238
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:24,640
And there's some reasonable argument that a large

3239
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,240
language model can parse language and find things.

3240
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:31,300
But this then becomes a real war of

3241
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:37,220
words is who can manipulate the AI agents,

3242
01:46:37,580 --> 01:46:40,880
the agentic AI, that is out there trying

3243
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,060
to get it to the top of the

3244
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:44,440
AI search results.

3245
01:46:45,020 --> 01:46:45,840
So this will be the...

3246
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:47,960
In fact, I see a whole new gig

3247
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,040
for Buzzkill Jr. This is now the new

3248
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,920
SEO is moved to lots of text, manipulative

3249
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,960
text, so that your product gets mentioned when

3250
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,220
the agentic AI is out there trying to

3251
01:47:00,220 --> 01:47:00,520
get it.

3252
01:47:00,620 --> 01:47:03,260
Because ultimately, that's all the internet will ever

3253
01:47:03,260 --> 01:47:05,580
become outside of the...

3254
01:47:05,580 --> 01:47:10,200
Obviously outside of communication between people, which is

3255
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:14,240
becoming increasingly difficult, is a shopping network.

3256
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:17,320
So bring back Gopher is what I'm thinking.

3257
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:18,980
This is a good idea.

3258
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,040
Keep your eye on that company, Scrincher.

3259
01:47:22,300 --> 01:47:23,240
Scrincher AI.

3260
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:26,060
But all of it now is falling apart.

3261
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,920
As we got this morning, the...

3262
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:30,980
Let me see.

3263
01:47:31,060 --> 01:47:31,800
I think I have a clip.

3264
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:34,040
Maybe...

3265
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,580
You just contradicted yourself.

3266
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:36,480
In what?

3267
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:39,140
You go on about how this is going

3268
01:47:39,140 --> 01:47:41,200
to be the future Scruncher, and then all

3269
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,160
of it's falling apart.

3270
01:47:43,380 --> 01:47:46,420
Well, no, the idea is valid.

3271
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,880
But the problem is the revenue.

3272
01:47:50,140 --> 01:47:53,720
OpenAI is now giving ChatGPT to the government

3273
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:54,500
for $1.

3274
01:47:55,460 --> 01:47:56,820
You hear about this?

3275
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:58,220
No, tell me.

3276
01:47:58,360 --> 01:47:58,520
Yeah.

3277
01:47:58,740 --> 01:48:01,620
So even though they were offered a $200

3278
01:48:01,620 --> 01:48:05,320
million contract with the Department of Defense, that

3279
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:09,120
was in June, Sam Altman said, no, no,

3280
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,900
we want to really partner with the government.

3281
01:48:13,460 --> 01:48:16,720
So we're going to give our ChatGPT enterprise

3282
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:19,420
product to U.S. federal agencies for $1.

3283
01:48:20,260 --> 01:48:20,880
For $1.

3284
01:48:21,980 --> 01:48:23,200
Let me tell you something.

3285
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:25,760
When you're offering the government your product for

3286
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,640
$1, you have a sales problem.

3287
01:48:29,220 --> 01:48:31,260
I mean, I've never heard of this.

3288
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:31,980
Never.

3289
01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:33,680
And he's not an altruist.

3290
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:35,460
There's no way.

3291
01:48:35,700 --> 01:48:38,840
So they have an absolute problem with selling

3292
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:39,660
their products.

3293
01:48:39,660 --> 01:48:43,340
And now, now, oh, you know what?

3294
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:46,580
We should probably open source it all.

3295
01:48:46,700 --> 01:48:47,040
OK.

3296
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:50,320
OpenAI is shifting strategy today, making its tech

3297
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,080
more accessible than it's been in six years.

3298
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,900
Because until now, you could only use OpenAI's

3299
01:48:55,900 --> 01:48:58,540
models through the cloud or chat and web

3300
01:48:58,540 --> 01:48:59,960
apps like ChatGPT.

3301
01:49:00,060 --> 01:49:02,900
But with this release, developers can download open

3302
01:49:02,900 --> 01:49:05,380
weight models and build your apps around them.

3303
01:49:05,380 --> 01:49:08,060
So this is similar to what Meta, Microsoft

3304
01:49:08,060 --> 01:49:11,140
-backed Mistral and China's DeepSeek have already done.

3305
01:49:11,620 --> 01:49:14,060
A model's weights are the values inside the

3306
01:49:14,060 --> 01:49:15,920
network that get set during training.

3307
01:49:16,340 --> 01:49:18,420
So making them public means that developers can

3308
01:49:18,420 --> 01:49:21,060
freely modify and run the AI on their

3309
01:49:21,060 --> 01:49:21,880
own systems.

3310
01:49:21,980 --> 01:49:23,620
But to your point, Becky, it is not

3311
01:49:23,620 --> 01:49:24,640
fully open source.

3312
01:49:25,180 --> 01:49:27,840
OpenAI still is not sharing its training data

3313
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,320
or entire code base, but it's cheaper to

3314
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,680
operate and better suited for sensitive work that

3315
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:34,980
companies don't want running in the cloud.

3316
01:49:34,980 --> 01:49:37,680
Now, Sam Altman said months ago that OpenAI

3317
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,760
had been on the wrong side of history

3318
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,420
by keeping its AI locked up.

3319
01:49:41,500 --> 01:49:44,760
And this shift also comes after DeepSeek's breakout

3320
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,820
success and the widespread adoption of Meta's LLAMA

3321
01:49:47,820 --> 01:49:48,380
models.

3322
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,200
But now Meta itself is rethinking how open

3323
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:53,800
its next generation will be, something that Mark

3324
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,920
Zuckerberg suggested on last week's earnings call as

3325
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,380
OpenAI moves in the exact opposite direction.

3326
01:49:59,660 --> 01:50:02,020
So today's launch makes OpenAI pretty much the

3327
01:50:02,020 --> 01:50:04,880
only U.S. LLM builder that's actively leaning

3328
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,060
into a more open approach, aiming to grow

3329
01:50:08,060 --> 01:50:10,960
its developer ecosystem while also going head to

3330
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,080
head with Chinese rivals like DeepSeek and KimiK2

3331
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:17,260
as Altman doubles down on this American AI

3332
01:50:17,260 --> 01:50:17,860
dominance.

3333
01:50:18,020 --> 01:50:19,500
OK, so let me get this straight.

3334
01:50:19,900 --> 01:50:23,500
Meta, which from day one has been developing

3335
01:50:23,500 --> 01:50:26,200
and using the LLAMA model, open source, everybody

3336
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,360
go ahead, take our model, which is prevalent

3337
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:28,960
everywhere.

3338
01:50:29,460 --> 01:50:31,940
They're now saying, well, you know, we should

3339
01:50:31,940 --> 01:50:34,200
probably close that source and bring it in

3340
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:34,440
the house.

3341
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:37,620
And then OpenAI is like, well, you might

3342
01:50:37,620 --> 01:50:39,260
want to run this on your own hardware.

3343
01:50:39,620 --> 01:50:40,600
They're confused.

3344
01:50:40,820 --> 01:50:42,880
There's there is no strategy here.

3345
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,160
Except that, yeah, nerds like me will run

3346
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:49,140
a model on their own machine and maybe

3347
01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:50,880
have it go look for the best weed

3348
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:51,260
whacker.

3349
01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:52,880
But that's about it.

3350
01:50:53,860 --> 01:50:55,460
This thing has no.

3351
01:50:55,820 --> 01:50:56,220
Yeah.

3352
01:50:56,580 --> 01:50:58,700
But when I'm hearing this, what I hear

3353
01:50:58,700 --> 01:51:02,880
is that the cloud version of OpenAI is

3354
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:04,500
costing them too much money.

3355
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:04,900
Amen.

3356
01:51:05,180 --> 01:51:05,660
That's right.

3357
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:06,900
That's right.

3358
01:51:06,980 --> 01:51:08,100
It's like we had this.

3359
01:51:08,340 --> 01:51:09,420
It's not free.

3360
01:51:10,220 --> 01:51:11,320
Far from it.

3361
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:14,600
But again, according to my buddy at Databricks,

3362
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,120
all this AI superscalar nonsense is only about

3363
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,100
getting everybody's data into their cloud.

3364
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:22,580
That's it.

3365
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:24,040
It's really just a cloud play.

3366
01:51:24,700 --> 01:51:26,260
And then they run Oracle against it.

3367
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:27,580
And then if you want, you want to

3368
01:51:27,580 --> 01:51:29,940
run some chat GPT on OK, it's eleven

3369
01:51:29,940 --> 01:51:31,000
thousand dollars an hour.

3370
01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:35,670
The whole thing is a house of cards,

3371
01:51:35,770 --> 01:51:37,310
but OK, you know, it probably lasts five

3372
01:51:37,310 --> 01:51:38,350
more years, as you say.

3373
01:51:38,490 --> 01:51:38,910
I don't know.

3374
01:51:39,150 --> 01:51:39,410
Maybe.

3375
01:51:40,210 --> 01:51:41,350
Five is about right.

3376
01:51:42,210 --> 01:51:43,650
And then half the.

3377
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:46,410
But then you haven't had peak, peak, peak.

3378
01:51:46,550 --> 01:51:48,330
What would peak AI be?

3379
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:50,770
But you'll know it when you see it.

3380
01:51:50,890 --> 01:51:51,870
That's not good enough.

3381
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:53,550
I need peak AI.

3382
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:56,070
It'll be a jumping the shark moment.

3383
01:51:56,350 --> 01:51:57,610
Yeah, maybe.

3384
01:51:57,910 --> 01:52:00,150
And then it'll be another year before it

3385
01:52:00,150 --> 01:52:01,310
starts to collapse.

3386
01:52:02,050 --> 01:52:04,290
So when it jumps the shark, that's the

3387
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:05,790
time to, you know, you get your last

3388
01:52:05,790 --> 01:52:08,170
ditch investments and then you get out of

3389
01:52:08,170 --> 01:52:08,370
there.

3390
01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:08,730
Yeah.

3391
01:52:10,750 --> 01:52:11,970
Let's see, what time is it?

3392
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:12,970
I'll take a break.

3393
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:14,810
I do have another lead on the Tucker

3394
01:52:14,810 --> 01:52:15,250
laugh.

3395
01:52:16,710 --> 01:52:17,870
I can't do it anymore.

3396
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:18,950
I got to have a sip of water.

3397
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:20,790
I think it's because you have covid.

3398
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:22,070
I don't even think you should be working

3399
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:22,550
on it.

3400
01:52:23,890 --> 01:52:24,550
There it is.

3401
01:52:25,290 --> 01:52:26,110
That's pretty good, right?

3402
01:52:26,110 --> 01:52:31,870
Uh, you know, that, you know, I think

3403
01:52:31,870 --> 01:52:35,430
you're starting to actually you're becoming self-conscious

3404
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:37,290
with it and it's hurting it.

3405
01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:37,730
It's hurt.

3406
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:38,930
It's hurting the show.

3407
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:40,750
Actually, it's hurting the show.

3408
01:52:41,090 --> 01:52:44,410
Here is another another potential origin of the

3409
01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:45,190
Tucker laugh.

3410
01:52:45,650 --> 01:52:48,110
I take you to the movie Amadeus from

3411
01:52:48,110 --> 01:52:49,150
1984.

3412
01:52:50,210 --> 01:52:53,490
The movie about the life of Amadeus Wolfgang

3413
01:52:53,490 --> 01:52:54,050
Mozart.

3414
01:52:54,050 --> 01:52:55,730
People fart backwards.

3415
01:52:56,050 --> 01:52:57,070
Oh, ho, ho.

3416
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:59,250
They're all so beautiful.

3417
01:53:00,050 --> 01:53:01,430
What if I have three heads?

3418
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:04,930
What if it's funny?

3419
01:53:06,910 --> 01:53:08,790
She took me into her arms and said,

3420
01:53:09,190 --> 01:53:10,070
will you marry me?

3421
01:53:10,150 --> 01:53:10,750
Yes or no?

3422
01:53:12,850 --> 01:53:13,650
Come on, man.

3423
01:53:14,250 --> 01:53:16,910
I remember that movie very distinctly.

3424
01:53:17,390 --> 01:53:20,570
And I remember that annoying laugh, which was

3425
01:53:20,570 --> 01:53:21,450
mocking him.

3426
01:53:21,550 --> 01:53:23,930
Of course, this movie was sympathetic towards all

3427
01:53:23,930 --> 01:53:24,030
the other people.

3428
01:53:24,030 --> 01:53:29,550
Jerry, and yeah, it's possible, it was a

3429
01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:32,670
screwball laugh, and it's very similar.

3430
01:53:33,130 --> 01:53:33,910
It's pretty close.

3431
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:36,050
Yeah.

3432
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:40,010
It's like a paroxysm with Tucker.

3433
01:53:40,570 --> 01:53:43,230
Paroxysm, ooh, what is a paroxysm?

3434
01:53:43,230 --> 01:53:44,470
It's where you go into a spasm.

3435
01:53:44,770 --> 01:53:47,990
It's like, it's a spasmodic laugh.

3436
01:53:48,110 --> 01:53:49,810
Ah, paroxysm, that is true.

3437
01:53:49,810 --> 01:53:52,170
Because he's like, he's sitting there, and then

3438
01:53:52,170 --> 01:53:53,950
he, when he, it's not just the laugh

3439
01:53:53,950 --> 01:53:56,570
itself, but he just wiggles all over.

3440
01:53:56,670 --> 01:53:59,030
He goes like into a spasm.

3441
01:53:59,470 --> 01:54:01,170
That should be the word of the day,

3442
01:54:01,250 --> 01:54:01,630
kids.

3443
01:54:03,310 --> 01:54:03,710
Paroxysm.

3444
01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:06,170
And with that, I'd like to thank you

3445
01:54:06,170 --> 01:54:06,750
for your courage.

3446
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:07,910
Say in the morning to you, the man

3447
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:09,570
who put the C in chat, JCD.

3448
01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:11,030
Say hello to my friend on the other

3449
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:14,250
end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

3450
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:15,910
DeMora.

3451
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:16,010
Yeah!

3452
01:54:20,250 --> 01:54:21,570
And good morning to you, Mr. John C.

3453
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:23,090
DeMora, ships, sea, blues of the ground, feet

3454
01:54:23,090 --> 01:54:24,790
in the air, subs of the water, and

3455
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:26,210
the dames and knights out there.

3456
01:54:26,270 --> 01:54:27,950
In the morning to the trolls in the

3457
01:54:27,950 --> 01:54:28,490
troll room.

3458
01:54:28,610 --> 01:54:29,950
Hold on, let me count you for a

3459
01:54:29,950 --> 01:54:30,190
second.

3460
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:30,670
There we go.

3461
01:54:30,690 --> 01:54:31,270
This thing is funny.

3462
01:54:31,570 --> 01:54:32,310
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

3463
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:32,610
no.

3464
01:54:32,630 --> 01:54:33,450
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

3465
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:33,550
no.

3466
01:54:33,550 --> 01:54:33,850
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

3467
01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:33,950
no, no.

3468
01:54:34,130 --> 01:54:35,650
Man, we're not even in the dog days

3469
01:54:35,650 --> 01:54:36,310
of summer yet.

3470
01:54:36,990 --> 01:54:38,350
1618 on the troll count.

3471
01:54:39,070 --> 01:54:42,010
They are listening live at trollroom.io or

3472
01:54:42,010 --> 01:54:45,410
on any of the extremely modern podcast apps,

3473
01:54:45,970 --> 01:54:48,190
which are just extremely modern because they have

3474
01:54:48,190 --> 01:54:49,370
extremely modern features.

3475
01:54:49,450 --> 01:54:51,010
They've been around for four or five years.

3476
01:54:51,110 --> 01:54:51,990
What are you waiting for?

3477
01:54:52,090 --> 01:54:53,270
Ditch that legacy app.

3478
01:54:53,850 --> 01:54:58,150
Go to podcastapps, with a plural, apps.com,

3479
01:54:58,270 --> 01:54:59,350
and select one.

3480
01:54:59,790 --> 01:55:02,230
I think Podverse turns out to be the

3481
01:55:02,230 --> 01:55:04,590
number two most used app for this show.

3482
01:55:05,770 --> 01:55:09,190
Apple is number one, but like 28%.

3483
01:55:09,190 --> 01:55:12,430
Podverse comes in in double digits, almost 20%.

3484
01:55:13,010 --> 01:55:15,010
And the reason is because you get an

3485
01:55:15,010 --> 01:55:17,810
alert when we go live, and then you

3486
01:55:17,810 --> 01:55:19,410
can listen to the live stream in your

3487
01:55:19,410 --> 01:55:20,210
podcast app.

3488
01:55:20,490 --> 01:55:21,790
How cool is that?

3489
01:55:22,230 --> 01:55:23,330
And it's not just our show.

3490
01:55:23,450 --> 01:55:25,350
Many shows are picking up on this, especially

3491
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:28,530
the No Agenda favorites, like Planet Rage.

3492
01:55:29,230 --> 01:55:33,030
So we're running 200 down on Sundays and

3493
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:33,950
Thursdays.

3494
01:55:34,110 --> 01:55:34,490
Correct.

3495
01:55:34,650 --> 01:55:36,090
Should have 1,800, we have 1,600.

3496
01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:40,650
I had a chat with Void Zero about

3497
01:55:40,650 --> 01:55:41,950
various things.

3498
01:55:42,130 --> 01:55:42,530
Really?

3499
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:43,990
About his billing, no doubt.

3500
01:55:46,570 --> 01:55:49,010
The real bite is the bite, it's a

3501
01:55:49,010 --> 01:55:51,090
bite the bullet moment coming, because we need

3502
01:55:51,090 --> 01:55:51,790
a new server.

3503
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:52,250
I know.

3504
01:55:52,370 --> 01:55:53,830
Oh, he doesn't even ask me about that

3505
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:54,170
anymore.

3506
01:55:54,510 --> 01:55:56,850
He just goes, he used to email me,

3507
01:55:57,130 --> 01:55:58,230
hey man, we need a new server.

3508
01:55:58,610 --> 01:56:01,970
It's 17 years old, it's falling apart.

3509
01:56:02,350 --> 01:56:03,650
And I'd be like, okay, I got to

3510
01:56:03,650 --> 01:56:04,470
go ask John.

3511
01:56:04,490 --> 01:56:05,690
I got to talk to him about it.

3512
01:56:05,690 --> 01:56:07,310
So he's just bypassing me now.

3513
01:56:08,750 --> 01:56:10,370
Well, I told him I'd talk to you

3514
01:56:10,370 --> 01:56:12,570
about it, because we have to have it,

3515
01:56:12,710 --> 01:56:14,770
we have to, and now he's like, you

3516
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:16,670
know, he has a few moments of, well,

3517
01:56:16,730 --> 01:56:18,450
you know, there's one on sale, you know.

3518
01:56:18,590 --> 01:56:20,070
No, no, no, on eBay, on eBay.

3519
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:20,210
He's a show.

3520
01:56:22,410 --> 01:56:23,690
He found one on eBay.

3521
01:56:24,150 --> 01:56:25,270
No, he didn't.

3522
01:56:26,270 --> 01:56:29,770
But he did, we were talking about this,

3523
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:31,350
and I just wanted to mention to people,

3524
01:56:31,410 --> 01:56:32,630
I don't know if it got in that

3525
01:56:32,630 --> 01:56:35,110
pre-edit, that.

3526
01:56:35,110 --> 01:56:37,010
Now, why would you go mention the edit?

3527
01:56:37,150 --> 01:56:38,450
There's no need for that.

3528
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:41,170
Well, because we lost connection.

3529
01:56:41,390 --> 01:56:43,570
Yeah, but I punched you in, you know,

3530
01:56:43,630 --> 01:56:44,330
it's seamless.

3531
01:56:44,330 --> 01:56:46,310
Yeah, but I don't remember what I, I

3532
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:47,790
don't know, you punched me in at an

3533
01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:48,650
awkward spot.

3534
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:50,710
But then I would have edited that out

3535
01:56:50,710 --> 01:56:51,510
and made it seamless.

3536
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:52,870
Now people are like, oh.

3537
01:56:53,370 --> 01:56:54,630
Well, you can, you know what?

3538
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:55,530
Let's edit all this out.

3539
01:56:55,530 --> 01:56:57,030
You can edit this out just as easily.

3540
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:58,190
Okay, continue.

3541
01:56:59,010 --> 01:57:00,910
So the point is, I want to make

3542
01:57:00,910 --> 01:57:03,910
it to the listeners and producers is that

3543
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:06,370
we have our own infrastructure, and that's the

3544
01:57:06,370 --> 01:57:07,790
reason that nobody can take us off the

3545
01:57:07,790 --> 01:57:09,650
air, and it costs money to do that.

3546
01:57:09,710 --> 01:57:11,170
We have our own co-locations and all

3547
01:57:11,170 --> 01:57:11,490
the rest.

3548
01:57:11,710 --> 01:57:13,790
And that's why we ask for donations, too.

3549
01:57:14,090 --> 01:57:15,990
But in the process of discussing some of

3550
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:19,130
these things, he mentioned to me that the

3551
01:57:19,130 --> 01:57:22,390
numbers of listeners, according to the download stats,

3552
01:57:22,730 --> 01:57:24,630
has remained pretty much the same for the

3553
01:57:24,630 --> 01:57:25,290
last two years.

3554
01:57:25,630 --> 01:57:27,550
So the fact that we're having less people

3555
01:57:27,550 --> 01:57:30,990
listen live is somewhat disconcerting, because it shouldn't

3556
01:57:30,990 --> 01:57:31,350
happen.

3557
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:31,990
Right.

3558
01:57:34,050 --> 01:57:39,070
There was actually a conversation, hold on a

3559
01:57:39,070 --> 01:57:39,210
second.

3560
01:57:39,370 --> 01:57:43,290
There was an interesting conversation on this podcast

3561
01:57:43,290 --> 01:57:43,810
group.

3562
01:57:44,530 --> 01:57:45,890
It's a WhatsApp group.

3563
01:57:45,970 --> 01:57:48,050
It's the only WhatsApp group I'm a member

3564
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:48,350
of.

3565
01:57:49,170 --> 01:57:52,210
And they were calculating our cost.

3566
01:57:53,170 --> 01:57:53,610
Here it is.

3567
01:57:53,650 --> 01:57:55,810
This is James Cridland, okay?

3568
01:57:56,690 --> 01:58:00,030
James Cridland is, he does pod news.

3569
01:58:00,030 --> 01:58:05,270
He is one of the, what is the

3570
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:05,570
word?

3571
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:08,650
Authorities in podcast news.

3572
01:58:09,670 --> 01:58:10,150
Okay.

3573
01:58:10,590 --> 01:58:12,410
And he says, no agenda.

3574
01:58:12,530 --> 01:58:14,250
And we have our numbers out there.

3575
01:58:15,890 --> 01:58:20,930
876,069 downloads in, I think this was

3576
01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:21,770
June.

3577
01:58:22,850 --> 01:58:25,490
46% listened to at least half.

3578
01:58:25,950 --> 01:58:29,750
So an average is 94.7 minutes, 82

3579
01:58:29,750 --> 01:58:32,050
.9 million minutes in June.

3580
01:58:32,510 --> 01:58:35,150
Streaming costs, if we did not have our

3581
01:58:35,150 --> 01:58:38,910
own infrastructure and we use Cloudflare, which is

3582
01:58:38,910 --> 01:58:41,710
what most of the hosting companies use, guess

3583
01:58:41,710 --> 01:58:42,650
what that would cost?

3584
01:58:43,110 --> 01:58:44,510
I have no idea.

3585
01:58:44,710 --> 01:58:47,210
$82,963.

3586
01:58:48,110 --> 01:58:48,690
A year?

3587
01:58:49,170 --> 01:58:50,430
No, for one month.

3588
01:58:51,290 --> 01:58:51,810
What?

3589
01:58:52,050 --> 01:58:52,450
Yes.

3590
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:54,530
That's it.

3591
01:58:54,590 --> 01:58:56,030
Now that's if we use Cloudflare.

3592
01:58:56,130 --> 01:58:57,390
Of course we don't.

3593
01:58:58,050 --> 01:59:01,930
So let's say they could probably get it

3594
01:59:01,930 --> 01:59:05,530
down to about 15 to 20,000.

3595
01:59:06,350 --> 01:59:07,130
A month.

3596
01:59:07,610 --> 01:59:08,610
Yes, yeah.

3597
01:59:09,190 --> 01:59:10,390
This is no joke.

3598
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:13,110
It's no joke, not a joke, man.

3599
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:17,480
I know, you're flabbergasted, aren't you?

3600
01:59:17,500 --> 01:59:18,500
I am flabbergasted.

3601
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:20,340
Well, it's a big show.

3602
01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:23,420
I was thinking of replacing you with a

3603
01:59:23,420 --> 01:59:27,040
Chad Adam and then just using Podbean.

3604
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:33,340
Go for it.

3605
01:59:34,300 --> 01:59:35,300
Go for it.

3606
01:59:35,420 --> 01:59:36,400
It's all good.

3607
01:59:36,860 --> 01:59:38,120
Anyway, yes.

3608
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,320
So it's not, you know, there's real, and

3609
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,220
by the way, we do actual work.

3610
01:59:44,780 --> 01:59:46,560
Let me tell you how many clips we

3611
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:47,600
have for today's show.

3612
01:59:47,620 --> 01:59:48,140
You interested?

3613
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:50,660
Now some of these- It's always hovering

3614
01:59:50,660 --> 01:59:51,720
around 50 plus.

3615
01:59:51,860 --> 01:59:53,480
Oh no, it's much more than that.

3616
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:55,480
Are you kidding me?

3617
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,380
Well, I do about, I have a limit.

3618
01:59:57,480 --> 01:59:58,960
I stop at about 33.

3619
02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:03,300
Today you had, I think 27.

3620
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:04,580
Let me see.

3621
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:09,040
You had 27 and I had 57.

3622
02:00:09,740 --> 02:00:11,980
Now that also includes ISOs, but it's still

3623
02:00:11,980 --> 02:00:12,740
clipping work.

3624
02:00:13,620 --> 02:00:17,560
Lots of people send stuff pre-clipped, but

3625
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,680
there's real work involved and we are really

3626
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:20,760
doing the work.

3627
02:00:20,980 --> 02:00:22,600
And we have to listen to all this

3628
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:22,900
crap.

3629
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:26,240
Our problem is we make it look easy.

3630
02:00:26,900 --> 02:00:28,080
This is the problem.

3631
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,020
This is the problem.

3632
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:31,940
We should be like- It's our problem.

3633
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,560
Yeah, and we do it ourselves.

3634
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:37,840
We don't have people editing the show, taking

3635
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:38,960
out all the uhs and the uhs.

3636
02:00:38,980 --> 02:00:40,660
No, they would take the life out of

3637
02:00:40,660 --> 02:00:41,100
the show.

3638
02:00:41,460 --> 02:00:43,440
Well, that's what most podcasts are.

3639
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,220
Lifeless pieces of drick.

3640
02:00:46,180 --> 02:00:48,140
And that's what happens when you try Chase

3641
02:00:48,140 --> 02:00:48,380
ED.

3642
02:00:48,500 --> 02:00:49,380
It becomes lifeless.

3643
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:50,120
It's just no good.

3644
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:54,760
Anyway, all to say value for value is

3645
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:56,420
the way we have run this.

3646
02:00:56,420 --> 02:00:59,340
So Void Zero for years and years and

3647
02:00:59,340 --> 02:01:01,740
years has been completely value for value.

3648
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:05,900
We've evened that out a bit as he

3649
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:07,840
runs a lot of infrastructure for us.

3650
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,100
But we have all these producers.

3651
02:01:10,340 --> 02:01:13,780
We have so many producers that no news

3652
02:01:13,780 --> 02:01:15,260
organization can top us.

3653
02:01:15,660 --> 02:01:17,840
We have constitutional lawyers.

3654
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:18,660
We have doctors.

3655
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:19,480
We have dentists.

3656
02:01:19,580 --> 02:01:20,380
We have psychologists.

3657
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:23,020
We have, oh my goodness, the amount of

3658
02:01:23,020 --> 02:01:24,860
Kratom experts we have.

3659
02:01:26,420 --> 02:01:27,260
Too many.

3660
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:28,780
We have too many producers.

3661
02:01:29,610 --> 02:01:31,780
You gotta wonder what our producers are doing.

3662
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:34,800
But the Kratom experts is amazing.

3663
02:01:34,940 --> 02:01:36,120
I will read one.

3664
02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:38,880
I got a bunch of notes too.

3665
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:40,620
But did you get the one from the

3666
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:41,320
ER nurse?

3667
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:42,400
I know.

3668
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:43,160
I don't know.

3669
02:01:43,260 --> 02:01:43,500
Maybe.

3670
02:01:44,110 --> 02:01:44,760
Probably not.

3671
02:01:44,780 --> 02:01:48,200
This is in response to the vape store

3672
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:49,800
heroin or whatever it was.

3673
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:50,980
ER nurse here.

3674
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:53,240
Okay, so there's a tiny amount of seven

3675
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,740
hydromyxogritogen 7-OH in normal Kratom.

3676
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,400
It is the most potent part of it.

3677
02:01:59,780 --> 02:02:01,880
99% of the active chemicals of it

3678
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:03,460
are just mitragynine.

3679
02:02:03,780 --> 02:02:04,800
I think that's how you pronounce it.

3680
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:07,760
In a lab, they oxidize the mitragynine into

3681
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:08,900
7-OH.

3682
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:13,280
They both affect the MU receptors, opioids, but

3683
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:15,840
do not recruit the beta-arrestin pathway, which

3684
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:19,220
would cause respiratory depression, which means you die.

3685
02:02:19,460 --> 02:02:21,680
Both of them can cause addiction with prolonged

3686
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:23,500
use and withdrawal is unpleasant.

3687
02:02:23,740 --> 02:02:25,560
People in the ER withdrawing from the 7

3688
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,760
-OH though have it much worse.

3689
02:02:28,180 --> 02:02:29,900
I would say if using Kratom for pain

3690
02:02:29,900 --> 02:02:32,380
management keeps you off opiates, then it's worth

3691
02:02:32,380 --> 02:02:32,580
it.

3692
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:36,160
Just don't graduate to the 7-OH as

3693
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,220
it's nearly identical to opiates.

3694
02:02:38,780 --> 02:02:40,000
Not opioid, but opiates.

3695
02:02:40,140 --> 02:02:43,180
Is she the one that gives us the

3696
02:02:43,180 --> 02:02:45,900
definition between opiate and opioid?

3697
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:47,500
No, I have that one here.

3698
02:02:47,900 --> 02:02:50,100
Yeah, you should read that because we, me

3699
02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:53,980
mostly, went on and on about this because

3700
02:02:53,980 --> 02:02:56,200
I had the sense of the opiate.

3701
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:57,760
This is the TLD, I put these in

3702
02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:00,380
the show notes, TLDR. Kratom is considered by

3703
02:03:00,380 --> 02:03:03,060
most experts to be an opioid drug, not

3704
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:07,480
an opiate, and is generally safer than street

3705
02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:08,860
opiates or opioids.

3706
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,720
Opiates are substances that are derived from the

3707
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:15,240
poppy plant, such as opium, morphine, heroin.

3708
02:03:15,460 --> 02:03:17,460
Kratom is not an opiate.

3709
02:03:18,420 --> 02:03:21,340
Opioids, the broad category of substances that activate

3710
02:03:21,340 --> 02:03:25,820
the opioid receptors, including opiates, but are not

3711
02:03:25,820 --> 02:03:27,440
necessarily derivatives of poppy.

3712
02:03:27,620 --> 02:03:30,080
Fentanyl, for example, is not a poppy derivative.

3713
02:03:30,660 --> 02:03:33,240
Kratom is generally thought to fit this description,

3714
02:03:33,400 --> 02:03:33,540
though.

3715
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:38,240
Kratom is a partial opioid agonist.

3716
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:39,740
Wow.

3717
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:42,400
So there you go.

3718
02:03:42,500 --> 02:03:43,900
That's the kind of people we have listening.

3719
02:03:44,980 --> 02:03:46,820
And- Yeah, people that know what they're,

3720
02:03:46,820 --> 02:03:50,540
the thing that makes it work is that

3721
02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:52,240
we listen to them.

3722
02:03:52,540 --> 02:03:53,400
Yeah, exactly.

3723
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:54,620
Exactly.

3724
02:03:54,620 --> 02:03:56,780
Which is not very unusual in media.

3725
02:03:57,540 --> 02:03:59,300
They don't listen to anybody, but sniffing their

3726
02:03:59,300 --> 02:04:00,320
own farts, basically.

3727
02:04:00,820 --> 02:04:03,020
They listen to the producer in their ear,

3728
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:05,960
and they learn how to read very well.

3729
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:08,420
Not all of them, but most of them.

3730
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:12,520
And they read a script, and they go

3731
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:13,400
to cocktail parties.

3732
02:04:13,460 --> 02:04:14,480
Yes, a lot of them.

3733
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:15,100
Boom.

3734
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:20,240
We, on the other hand, have no cocktail

3735
02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:20,760
parties.

3736
02:04:20,860 --> 02:04:23,700
I gotta go listen to people freaking out

3737
02:04:23,700 --> 02:04:25,900
about 5G towers killing us.

3738
02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:27,420
But okay, that's fine.

3739
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:28,060
And we clip.

3740
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:29,120
We do a lot of clipping.

3741
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:31,820
So that's one way that people help us.

3742
02:04:31,900 --> 02:04:33,320
Of course, we have lots of people who

3743
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:33,940
build websites.

3744
02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:36,640
We got Tim Code Monkey, Codes Monkey.

3745
02:04:36,860 --> 02:04:38,500
We got Sir Daniel.

3746
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:40,060
We got, well, of course, we have the

3747
02:04:40,060 --> 02:04:43,420
art generator, Sir Paul Couture, who I don't

3748
02:04:43,420 --> 02:04:44,600
think, I don't know if he listens, because

3749
02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:47,960
I'm still hoping that he'll allow animated GIFs

3750
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:48,500
in there.

3751
02:04:48,980 --> 02:04:49,780
That hasn't happened.

3752
02:04:49,780 --> 02:04:50,300
I'll send him a note.

3753
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,380
He's got different email addresses.

3754
02:04:52,820 --> 02:04:54,920
I don't know if he listens anymore, either.

3755
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,320
I think he does occasionally, but it's like

3756
02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:58,620
a lot of people listen to the show,

3757
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:00,360
then they go overboard because they- They

3758
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:00,780
come back.

3759
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:02,660
I don't know why they go overboard in

3760
02:05:02,660 --> 02:05:04,560
the first place, because they think they know

3761
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,140
it all, and they think they don't have

3762
02:05:06,140 --> 02:05:08,280
to be tuned into the news.

3763
02:05:08,540 --> 02:05:08,760
No, TikTok clips.

3764
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,680
I think they should be listening because we're

3765
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:11,140
funny.

3766
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:12,080
TikTok clips.

3767
02:05:12,180 --> 02:05:13,040
Is it TikTok clips?

3768
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:14,360
Does that drive people away?

3769
02:05:14,900 --> 02:05:17,240
No, no, I'm not playing enough of them.

3770
02:05:20,020 --> 02:05:23,200
Episode 1787, OG Daffy is what we called

3771
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:24,860
that, and you were correct.

3772
02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:26,720
Lot of pushback on this art.

3773
02:05:26,780 --> 02:05:27,580
Very controversial.

3774
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:30,660
And it was a nice piece.

3775
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:32,660
It wasn't like, wow, look at this.

3776
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:34,460
It was the No Agenda sock hop.

3777
02:05:34,540 --> 02:05:37,140
We had a young couple who were dancing

3778
02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:39,120
close, cheek to cheek, and all the other

3779
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:41,780
kids are walking around aimlessly, looking at their

3780
02:05:41,780 --> 02:05:43,360
phones, not talking to each other.

3781
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,580
So the conceit, as we say in the

3782
02:05:45,580 --> 02:05:46,820
business, was correct.

3783
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:51,500
However, many people commented, that's not a sock

3784
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:53,860
hop, because they have the shoes on.

3785
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:56,040
That's what I said when we picked the

3786
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:56,280
art.

3787
02:05:56,580 --> 02:05:59,040
And I did not realize- You should

3788
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:01,560
have, because I could go to Bing and

3789
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:04,280
IO, because when I first discussed sock hops,

3790
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,240
because I'm the sock hop guy, I mentioned

3791
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:09,040
the reason for this called a sock hop,

3792
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:12,520
because they had these dances in a gymnasium,

3793
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:14,860
and back in the day, when kids didn't

3794
02:06:14,860 --> 02:06:16,480
wear tennis shoes all the time, they actually

3795
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:21,260
wore leather-soled shoes that have rubber heels,

3796
02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:23,400
and you would go into the gym, and

3797
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:25,280
if you started dancing around, you scuffed the

3798
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:25,780
gym up.

3799
02:06:25,820 --> 02:06:27,080
It would make a mess, so you had

3800
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:27,780
to wear socks.

3801
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:29,880
So, wow.

3802
02:06:32,060 --> 02:06:32,860
You're right.

3803
02:06:34,180 --> 02:06:38,080
Thursday, March 31st, 2011.

3804
02:06:40,380 --> 02:06:42,900
Episode 291 of this podcast.

3805
02:06:43,140 --> 02:06:45,080
That is what, 15 years ago?

3806
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:45,980
Yeah.

3807
02:06:46,920 --> 02:06:50,420
That title was Unconstitutional Botox, for some reason.

3808
02:06:51,420 --> 02:06:53,400
You gave this very explanation.

3809
02:06:53,940 --> 02:06:55,980
The 50s, because once they started, once they

3810
02:06:55,980 --> 02:06:58,720
went away from waltzing into doing the bop,

3811
02:06:58,820 --> 02:07:01,040
and whatever, the dirty bop, and the jumping

3812
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:03,660
around, dancing, rock and roll.

3813
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,220
That crazy thing those kids are doing.

3814
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:08,700
Once they started doing that, they were scratching

3815
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:10,820
up the place because of their shoes, so

3816
02:07:10,820 --> 02:07:12,780
they said, oh, let's create the sock hop,

3817
02:07:12,860 --> 02:07:14,500
so you had to go in your socks,

3818
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:17,060
because you wouldn't damage anything.

3819
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:19,800
Okay, thanks for that history lesson.

3820
02:07:20,180 --> 02:07:20,580
You're welcome.

3821
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:22,900
Which proves I don't listen to you.

3822
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:25,980
That's well known.

3823
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:30,240
And if you look at bingit.io, man,

3824
02:07:30,380 --> 02:07:34,060
we've talked about this numerous times throughout the

3825
02:07:34,060 --> 02:07:34,200
years.

3826
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:36,800
By the way, there is Sir Deanonymous.

3827
02:07:37,220 --> 02:07:40,760
With clipgenie.com, with bingit.io. These are

3828
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:45,840
amazing, very valuable resources, resources that are available

3829
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:49,000
to you at no cost, thanks to our

3830
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:49,400
producers.

3831
02:07:49,540 --> 02:07:50,220
This is amazing.

3832
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:51,740
It is amazing.

3833
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:53,620
It's actually quite a phenomenon.

3834
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:55,500
We are a phenom.

3835
02:07:56,860 --> 02:07:58,420
So thank you, Blue Acorn.

3836
02:07:58,620 --> 02:07:59,320
Good job.

3837
02:08:00,580 --> 02:08:03,300
Sorry about the shoes, but otherwise, pretty good.

3838
02:08:03,740 --> 02:08:05,800
Was there anything else we, I don't think

3839
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:06,820
there was anything that we liked.

3840
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:07,900
No, it was bad.

3841
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,420
It's all AI drivel.

3842
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:11,960
Well, it's always going to be that way,

3843
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:13,840
but you can still get something to happen

3844
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,160
to make something interesting.

3845
02:08:15,220 --> 02:08:17,260
I did like the wallet you didn't like

3846
02:08:17,260 --> 02:08:18,140
because it was too small.

3847
02:08:18,420 --> 02:08:18,580
Yeah.

3848
02:08:18,740 --> 02:08:20,120
It's too small, that's what you said.

3849
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:20,760
Yeah, that's correct.

3850
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,280
It was too small, and you didn't even

3851
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:23,880
push back because you knew it was true.

3852
02:08:24,820 --> 02:08:27,060
The wallet was good, a good piece, and

3853
02:08:27,060 --> 02:08:29,660
there's a lot of butts, nice tight butts,

3854
02:08:29,780 --> 02:08:30,620
small, tight butts.

3855
02:08:30,620 --> 02:08:32,080
A lot of butts, a lot of butts.

3856
02:08:32,460 --> 02:08:33,920
A couple of nice ones.

3857
02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:37,220
And there wasn't really anything else that was

3858
02:08:37,220 --> 02:08:37,680
usable.

3859
02:08:38,260 --> 02:08:39,820
No, no, no.

3860
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:41,440
We should just call this the butt cast

3861
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,320
and just use one piece of art over

3862
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:44,620
and over again by Darren.

3863
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:47,240
Well, the- No, a comic strip blogger.

3864
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:48,900
Comic strip blogger would come into that and

3865
02:08:48,900 --> 02:08:49,500
he'd take over.

3866
02:08:50,700 --> 02:08:52,380
Thank you to all of the artists who

3867
02:08:52,380 --> 02:08:57,360
use their prompting skills these days to bring

3868
02:08:57,360 --> 02:08:57,880
us artwork.

3869
02:08:58,100 --> 02:08:59,780
That was, it's always appreciated.

3870
02:09:00,460 --> 02:09:01,340
Noagendaartgenerator.com.

3871
02:09:01,420 --> 02:09:02,460
Everybody can participate.

3872
02:09:02,460 --> 02:09:04,260
It's open to all.

3873
02:09:04,700 --> 02:09:06,800
We always like to thank our producers who

3874
02:09:06,800 --> 02:09:08,440
support us with a financial donation.

3875
02:09:08,580 --> 02:09:09,340
It is necessary.

3876
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:11,320
You heard part of the reason why.

3877
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:14,480
You can do that at noagendadonations.com.

3878
02:09:14,580 --> 02:09:16,660
We thank everybody, $50 and above for every

3879
02:09:16,660 --> 02:09:18,060
single show with an extra bonus.

3880
02:09:18,460 --> 02:09:20,220
If you happen to be fortunate enough to

3881
02:09:20,220 --> 02:09:22,800
support us with a larger amount, $200 or

3882
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,260
more, not only do we thank you profusely,

3883
02:09:26,300 --> 02:09:28,280
but we also give you an official show

3884
02:09:28,280 --> 02:09:31,460
business title of Associate Executive Producer, which is

3885
02:09:31,460 --> 02:09:32,080
a real title.

3886
02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:33,420
Go look at imdb.com.

3887
02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:35,640
If you don't have an imdb.com account,

3888
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:37,660
you probably don't, unless you're already a Noagenda

3889
02:09:37,660 --> 02:09:38,080
producer.

3890
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:39,420
You can open one with that.

3891
02:09:39,500 --> 02:09:39,940
It's valid.

3892
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:41,060
And we'll read your note.

3893
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:42,780
We'll also read your note for $300 or

3894
02:09:42,780 --> 02:09:44,900
above, and then you become an executive producer,

3895
02:09:44,900 --> 02:09:45,700
just like Hollywood.

3896
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:47,300
You get a credit.

3897
02:09:47,500 --> 02:09:49,420
That's about all we have, Hollywood-wise.

3898
02:09:49,460 --> 02:09:50,360
That's all we have left.

3899
02:09:50,940 --> 02:09:53,780
And we kick it off today with Chris

3900
02:09:53,780 --> 02:09:58,320
Mobs from Belvedere, Vermont, who came in, I'm

3901
02:09:58,320 --> 02:09:59,280
sure, with $1,000.

3902
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:03,720
The fees made it $1,030.26. And

3903
02:10:03,720 --> 02:10:05,940
he says, please have this go towards my

3904
02:10:05,940 --> 02:10:08,180
PhD, done, and a knighthood.

3905
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:11,720
I just seen this, I just seen this

3906
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:14,360
newsletter, this mooning, A3.

3907
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:16,160
This is my first donation.

3908
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:17,180
Well, hold on a second.

3909
02:10:17,240 --> 02:10:18,160
It was your first donation.

3910
02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:19,120
We're going to have to de-douche it.

3911
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:22,260
You've been de-douched.

3912
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:24,920
I have followed Adam since the MTV days.

3913
02:10:25,020 --> 02:10:27,220
I actually paid for the Moscow Music Peace

3914
02:10:27,220 --> 02:10:28,700
Festival to watch it, I presume.

3915
02:10:28,700 --> 02:10:29,980
You guys are the best.

3916
02:10:30,260 --> 02:10:30,860
Thank you, Chris.

3917
02:10:30,940 --> 02:10:33,220
So, yes, you will be an executive producer.

3918
02:10:33,460 --> 02:10:35,220
You will be a knight, and you get

3919
02:10:35,220 --> 02:10:35,860
your PhD.

3920
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,080
And these are the last of the last

3921
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:39,640
of the last who snuck in under the

3922
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:39,880
wire.

3923
02:10:40,660 --> 02:10:41,520
Yeah, pretty much.

3924
02:10:42,820 --> 02:10:48,280
The other latent, I'll say, PhD, is Jake

3925
02:10:48,280 --> 02:10:51,020
Warburton in St. George, Utah.

3926
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:52,460
He came in at 1014.

3927
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:55,860
And he, this was a check or something,

3928
02:10:55,860 --> 02:10:58,740
this is a, kind of came in over

3929
02:10:58,740 --> 02:10:59,560
the transom.

3930
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:03,160
And he wrote a note.

3931
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:04,660
It says, in the morning, John and Adam.

3932
02:11:05,220 --> 02:11:06,760
Oh, no, it says, in the morning, Adam

3933
02:11:06,760 --> 02:11:07,640
and John C.

3934
02:11:08,080 --> 02:11:09,800
I wanted to drop a quick note to

3935
02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:11,520
thank you both for keeping me sane in

3936
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,080
this world that's constantly trying to gaslight me.

3937
02:11:14,860 --> 02:11:16,580
I've sent in a donation that should officially

3938
02:11:16,580 --> 02:11:18,220
bring me to the level of knighthood accounting

3939
02:11:18,220 --> 02:11:20,940
below, and I'm timed to postmark so that

3940
02:11:20,940 --> 02:11:23,740
with your gracious approval sneak me into the

3941
02:11:23,740 --> 02:11:25,300
PhD last round.

3942
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:27,620
Perfect time to join the round table.

3943
02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:28,880
But here's the fun part.

3944
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,840
I'm sending this donation in gold backs.

3945
02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:32,600
Okay.

3946
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:35,980
Are these even, can we even use these?

3947
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:37,340
No, I don't know.

3948
02:11:37,620 --> 02:11:39,200
I'm gonna send half of them to you.

3949
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:39,600
Okay.

3950
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:44,600
He claims there were six, we took him

3951
02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:46,120
on his word on this, that they're worth

3952
02:11:46,120 --> 02:11:47,620
$6.60 each.

3953
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:49,900
I think they were originally five bucks.

3954
02:11:50,500 --> 02:11:50,680
Right.

3955
02:11:50,680 --> 02:11:51,280
I can't remember.

3956
02:11:51,540 --> 02:11:52,940
Where the gold price went up, because they're

3957
02:11:52,940 --> 02:11:55,020
made with, they're backed with actual gold in

3958
02:11:55,020 --> 02:11:55,140
it.

3959
02:11:55,660 --> 02:11:58,100
It's a piece of plastic that's printed and

3960
02:11:58,100 --> 02:12:01,140
it's got a layer of, it seems like

3961
02:12:01,140 --> 02:12:03,600
gold leaf, about five bucks worth of gold

3962
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:04,220
leaf on it.

3963
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:05,880
So there's actually gold.

3964
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:08,040
And the pile, this pile that he sent.

3965
02:12:08,380 --> 02:12:10,260
Are they plastified, plasticified?

3966
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:12,000
I don't have no idea.

3967
02:12:12,100 --> 02:12:13,380
That's what bothers me, because I don't know

3968
02:12:13,380 --> 02:12:14,160
if you can put it in your wallet

3969
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:15,120
and there's a gold rub off of your

3970
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:15,220
wallet.

3971
02:12:15,220 --> 02:12:18,500
Because I have one from Florida, Florida gold

3972
02:12:18,500 --> 02:12:21,560
back, it's a $10 gold back, and it's

3973
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:25,060
one 100th troy ounce of 24 karat gold.

3974
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:26,260
It's pretty cool.

3975
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:27,140
I don't know how they do it.

3976
02:12:27,300 --> 02:12:28,900
We should probably look into it because you

3977
02:12:28,900 --> 02:12:30,720
have to know how, you know, how easy

3978
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:31,100
they fall apart.

3979
02:12:31,100 --> 02:12:31,480
Well, guess what?

3980
02:12:31,580 --> 02:12:33,620
You just give them the void zero for

3981
02:12:33,620 --> 02:12:34,240
the new server.

3982
02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:40,640
Yeah, we don't have enough for the new

3983
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:40,920
server.

3984
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:42,660
The new server is four grand plus.

3985
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:43,800
Oh crap, okay.

3986
02:12:45,420 --> 02:12:47,780
So, but there's this pile, this pile of

3987
02:12:47,780 --> 02:12:50,140
these gold bags is very heavy because there's

3988
02:12:50,140 --> 02:12:50,900
so much gold there.

3989
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:52,720
I mean, you know, it weighs more than

3990
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:53,140
you'd think.

3991
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:58,620
Anyway, it goes for the unenlightened, basically.

3992
02:12:59,140 --> 02:13:02,000
Gold backs are a voluntary spendable currency made

3993
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:02,720
of actual gold.

3994
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:04,300
Each note contains a thin layer of 24

3995
02:13:04,300 --> 02:13:05,980
karat gold, blah, blah, blah.

3996
02:13:06,500 --> 02:13:07,780
Think of it as freedom money.

3997
02:13:08,360 --> 02:13:10,380
Beautiful, tangible, and non-fed.

3998
02:13:10,620 --> 02:13:12,680
There are 60 gold backs for each of

3999
02:13:12,680 --> 02:13:12,860
you.

4000
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,720
Learn more at goldback.com.

4001
02:13:16,820 --> 02:13:17,280
Yeah.

4002
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:19,240
That's goldback.com.

4003
02:13:19,340 --> 02:13:19,840
Go check it out.

4004
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:21,800
I hope the goats enjoy a little real

4005
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:23,200
money for once.

4006
02:13:24,100 --> 02:13:25,920
Thanks again for the, oh, he called us

4007
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:26,320
goats.

4008
02:13:26,700 --> 02:13:27,020
There you go.

4009
02:13:27,060 --> 02:13:30,800
Thanks again for the years of insight, media

4010
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:34,040
jujitsu, and jingle-fueled sanity.

4011
02:13:34,260 --> 02:13:36,500
Keep doing what you do best, Jake Warburton

4012
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:40,000
in St. George, Utah, and he'll be knighted

4013
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:43,840
as Sir Less Than Jake, Knight of the

4014
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:45,920
Exmos and Grouse Creek.

4015
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:46,680
Crick.

4016
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:47,620
No, it's Crick.

4017
02:13:47,820 --> 02:13:49,780
He pronounces it Crick like the dude, like

4018
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:51,860
the dude down South that pronounces Creek.

4019
02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:55,140
Yes, and he also wants Utah Dirty Soda

4020
02:13:55,140 --> 02:13:56,940
and Elk Steak at the round table.

4021
02:13:57,220 --> 02:13:58,280
What is- Elk Steak.

4022
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:00,680
That's good, but what's Utah Dirty Soda?

4023
02:14:01,080 --> 02:14:01,740
I have no idea.

4024
02:14:02,060 --> 02:14:02,600
Okay.

4025
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:03,700
Thank you, brother.

4026
02:14:03,900 --> 02:14:04,620
That's very nice.

4027
02:14:04,980 --> 02:14:06,060
Unspendable donation.

4028
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:06,560
Lovely.

4029
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:08,400
It's better than Bitcoin.

4030
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:13,340
Coming in with 333.33 is Sir Pursuit

4031
02:14:13,340 --> 02:14:14,560
of Peace and Tranquility.

4032
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:18,020
But he's, whoa, did he do two donations?

4033
02:14:19,420 --> 02:14:20,580
I see two here.

4034
02:14:21,620 --> 02:14:22,480
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah.

4035
02:14:22,620 --> 02:14:23,380
August donation.

4036
02:14:23,460 --> 02:14:25,000
He donates this every single month.

4037
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:25,960
August donation.

4038
02:14:27,500 --> 02:14:28,940
Title upgrade to Duke.

4039
02:14:29,260 --> 02:14:31,340
Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Duke of

4040
02:14:31,340 --> 02:14:33,040
the Lands of Red Clay and the Cherry

4041
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:33,400
Trees.

4042
02:14:33,500 --> 02:14:35,120
And I guess you have his note for

4043
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:37,400
the July donation.

4044
02:14:38,460 --> 02:14:40,860
Well, let's go back to that page and

4045
02:14:40,860 --> 02:14:41,880
see what note I have.

4046
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:44,040
I think it's page three.

4047
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:44,520
Page three.

4048
02:14:45,460 --> 02:14:48,300
Is this a 333.33 in the morning,

4049
02:14:48,380 --> 02:14:49,220
where it's keeping it simple?

4050
02:14:49,380 --> 02:14:49,580
Yep.

4051
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:51,440
Yeah, July 2025 donation.

4052
02:14:51,780 --> 02:14:51,960
Yep.

4053
02:14:52,060 --> 02:14:52,500
333.

4054
02:14:52,660 --> 02:14:53,680
No jingles, no karmas.

4055
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:54,340
Nice note.

4056
02:14:55,140 --> 02:14:57,520
Sincerely, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Earl

4057
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:59,900
of the Lands of the Red Clay and

4058
02:14:59,900 --> 02:15:01,040
the Cherry Trees.

4059
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:04,360
Over to Hadam, Connecticut.

4060
02:15:04,620 --> 02:15:06,060
Hadam, Hadam, Connecticut.

4061
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:09,580
$250 and associate executive producer title for Mark

4062
02:15:09,580 --> 02:15:13,740
Bleiveld, Bleiveld, who is Dutch, and says, dank

4063
02:15:13,740 --> 02:15:14,280
jullie beiden.

4064
02:15:15,300 --> 02:15:16,700
And wij zeggen dankjewel.

4065
02:15:19,940 --> 02:15:20,520
Oh, I see.

4066
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:23,480
Sir Peace and Tranquility sent two notes in

4067
02:15:23,480 --> 02:15:24,880
there, basically the same note.

4068
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:25,460
Yes, he did.

4069
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,120
Eric Levenberg is up.

4070
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He's in Los Angeles, California, 22233.

4071
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:33,820
And he's requesting jobs karma for a little

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life-changing job, health karma and a relationship

4073
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:39,160
karma on top would be lovely as well.

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I think you should pick one producer a

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02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:45,240
week to pick a show title for you.

4076
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That's a very bad idea.

4077
02:15:46,980 --> 02:15:47,700
Not gonna happen.

4078
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:51,200
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

4079
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Let's vote for jobs.

4080
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Yes!

4081
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You thought karma.

4082
02:15:57,220 --> 02:16:00,260
Sean Holman next from Noblesville, Indiana.

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To 1911, peace and joy to all.

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Jesus is king.

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Dee Nice is still a juice bag.

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So please hit her with a JCD donate

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4088
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Oh, I see.

4089
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:15,560
Didn't see that one in the...

4090
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:17,500
Let's do the crazy chime.

4091
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It drives everybody nuts.

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Donate!

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Donate!

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4097
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4098
02:16:30,220 --> 02:16:33,379
Sean winds up with God bless the boomers.

4099
02:16:33,700 --> 02:16:34,080
Amen.

4100
02:16:34,980 --> 02:16:37,559
Eli the Coffee Guy's back in from Bensonville,

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Yes, he should probably just make it code

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4126
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4127
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Scott Johnson is in Kissimmee, Florida.

4128
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4131
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That would be for a netcast.

4132
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We're a podcast.

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Scott Johnson, Kissimmee, Florida.

4162
02:18:46,969 --> 02:18:48,549
I want you to read the next one.

4163
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This is actually addressed to you, even though

4164
02:18:50,110 --> 02:18:51,469
I'm the one who keeps talking about sock

4165
02:18:51,469 --> 02:18:51,709
hop.

4166
02:18:51,790 --> 02:18:52,690
She thinks it's you.

4167
02:18:52,969 --> 02:18:54,450
Well, this was a good note.

4168
02:18:54,610 --> 02:18:55,209
This was content.

4169
02:18:55,530 --> 02:18:56,370
This is Dame Andy Jane.

4170
02:18:56,450 --> 02:18:57,610
This is a great note.

4171
02:18:57,709 --> 02:18:58,270
It's a good note.

4172
02:18:59,150 --> 02:19:00,690
And it could be a great note.

4173
02:19:00,690 --> 02:19:02,889
No, this was in response to the sock

4174
02:19:02,889 --> 02:19:03,150
hop.

4175
02:19:03,370 --> 02:19:06,350
And Dame Andy says, there's been a war

4176
02:19:06,350 --> 02:19:08,469
on dance since at least as far back

4177
02:19:08,469 --> 02:19:09,570
as the 1920s.

4178
02:19:09,709 --> 02:19:09,910
Listen up.

4179
02:19:10,030 --> 02:19:12,570
I find that premise, by the way, I

4180
02:19:12,570 --> 02:19:13,410
find interesting.

4181
02:19:13,530 --> 02:19:14,870
And I will go back to my earlier

4182
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:18,450
commentaries where when I was a kid, when

4183
02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:21,150
I was in grammar school in first, second,

4184
02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:23,650
and third grade, they taught us dance.

4185
02:19:23,770 --> 02:19:26,150
They taught us the cha-cha-cha, the

4186
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:27,010
bossa nova.

4187
02:19:27,129 --> 02:19:28,709
They taught us all these different dances and

4188
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:30,070
they would be part of class.

4189
02:19:30,490 --> 02:19:31,910
But they also taught us how to read

4190
02:19:31,910 --> 02:19:33,049
clock, by the way.

4191
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:38,309
And which brings me to a funny bonus

4192
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:39,230
clip, which I have.

4193
02:19:39,490 --> 02:19:42,209
Oh my goodness, people, what a segment this

4194
02:19:42,209 --> 02:19:42,709
is today.

4195
02:19:43,129 --> 02:19:44,590
Did you send me a bonus clip?

4196
02:19:44,690 --> 02:19:45,150
I didn't see it.

4197
02:19:45,150 --> 02:19:47,690
Yes, it's the talk clip is the bonus

4198
02:19:47,690 --> 02:19:48,030
clip.

4199
02:19:48,410 --> 02:19:49,190
Oh, okay.

4200
02:19:49,310 --> 02:19:50,310
Oh, this one right here.

4201
02:19:50,370 --> 02:19:50,630
Okay.

4202
02:19:51,050 --> 02:19:52,090
Holy shit.

4203
02:19:52,330 --> 02:19:54,090
I go to the grocery store to buy

4204
02:19:54,090 --> 02:19:55,410
some bagels for tomorrow morning.

4205
02:19:55,890 --> 02:19:57,070
I pick up six of them.

4206
02:19:57,610 --> 02:19:59,690
I go to the cashier, ask me what's

4207
02:19:59,690 --> 02:20:01,650
in the bag, say half a dozen bagels.

4208
02:20:01,650 --> 02:20:03,450
He proceeds to pull out a binder full

4209
02:20:03,450 --> 02:20:04,830
of codes, which I didn't think much of

4210
02:20:04,830 --> 02:20:06,470
because he probably just knew, didn't know the

4211
02:20:06,470 --> 02:20:08,410
code to put in the system for bagels.

4212
02:20:08,830 --> 02:20:09,270
No big deal.

4213
02:20:09,450 --> 02:20:11,650
But then he turns on the light, again,

4214
02:20:11,790 --> 02:20:13,190
thinking he just doesn't know the code.

4215
02:20:13,950 --> 02:20:15,570
Supervisor comes over, asks what's up.

4216
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:18,190
And he goes, I'm looking for what a

4217
02:20:18,190 --> 02:20:19,570
half a dozen bagels are.

4218
02:20:19,770 --> 02:20:21,030
And he goes, that's the code.

4219
02:20:21,090 --> 02:20:22,350
And he points to it in the binder.

4220
02:20:22,450 --> 02:20:23,870
He goes, no, what is half a dozen

4221
02:20:23,870 --> 02:20:24,190
mean?

4222
02:20:24,510 --> 02:20:27,150
This kid's 16, 17, 18 in that ballpark

4223
02:20:27,150 --> 02:20:28,530
and he does not know what half a

4224
02:20:28,530 --> 02:20:29,070
dozen means.

4225
02:20:29,330 --> 02:20:31,170
That's kind of terrifying, honestly.

4226
02:20:31,170 --> 02:20:33,310
And what's even more terrifying, why not just

4227
02:20:33,310 --> 02:20:34,310
ask me to clarify?

4228
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:37,230
I think my mouth dropped open because even

4229
02:20:37,230 --> 02:20:39,210
the supervisor was like, well, we'll work on

4230
02:20:39,210 --> 02:20:39,770
that, buddy.

4231
02:20:41,070 --> 02:20:42,970
Oh my God, work on that.

4232
02:20:43,090 --> 02:20:44,230
Work on what?

4233
02:20:44,350 --> 02:20:45,050
Teach this boy.

4234
02:20:45,170 --> 02:20:48,090
Somebody, what is our education system teaching these

4235
02:20:48,090 --> 02:20:48,350
kids?

4236
02:20:48,750 --> 02:20:49,190
Nothing.

4237
02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:50,590
But I learned my lesson.

4238
02:20:50,690 --> 02:20:52,250
Next time I'll just say exactly the number

4239
02:20:52,250 --> 02:20:55,330
of bagels, donuts, whatever I have exactly to

4240
02:20:55,330 --> 02:20:55,890
the cashier.

4241
02:20:56,410 --> 02:20:57,990
I will not be cute and use a

4242
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:59,970
neat little saying like that ever again.

4243
02:21:00,770 --> 02:21:02,290
Well, that's kind of concerning.

4244
02:21:03,530 --> 02:21:04,750
Yes, I thought so too.

4245
02:21:04,850 --> 02:21:06,790
It's distressing actually, but this is the same

4246
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:07,690
as Reed Clock.

4247
02:21:07,850 --> 02:21:09,290
Well, so if you said, I want a

4248
02:21:09,290 --> 02:21:11,530
gross, that will be a real big problem

4249
02:21:11,530 --> 02:21:12,170
for him, huh?

4250
02:21:12,650 --> 02:21:16,170
But luckily somebody doesn't want a hog's head.

4251
02:21:16,990 --> 02:21:18,790
So there's been a war on dance since

4252
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:21,310
at least as far back as the 1920s.

4253
02:21:21,370 --> 02:21:24,070
The Savoy Ballroom was opened in 1926 as

4254
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:26,050
the first integrated dance hall and one of

4255
02:21:26,050 --> 02:21:28,610
the most prominently integrated private spaces in the

4256
02:21:28,610 --> 02:21:29,090
USA.

4257
02:21:29,690 --> 02:21:35,710
It was repeatedly closed down by vice on

4258
02:21:35,710 --> 02:21:38,570
unsubstantiated allegations of prostitution.

4259
02:21:39,410 --> 02:21:42,450
Well, did we have prostitution in your day?

4260
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:45,610
A federal excise tax of 30% was

4261
02:21:45,610 --> 02:21:48,950
instituted against all dance halls in 1944 to,

4262
02:21:49,290 --> 02:21:50,230
quote, support the war.

4263
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:53,690
It continued on a diminished basis until 1965.

4264
02:21:54,010 --> 02:21:57,070
Local excise tax piled on and continued after

4265
02:21:57,070 --> 02:21:58,630
that date to this day.

4266
02:21:58,630 --> 02:22:01,470
Back tax debt closed the local ballroom in

4267
02:22:01,470 --> 02:22:03,110
Houston that had hosted Louis Armstrong.

4268
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:05,850
There's still a dance hall tax in Houston.

4269
02:22:06,050 --> 02:22:08,150
It's $500 per six months.

4270
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:09,270
This is interesting.

4271
02:22:10,010 --> 02:22:11,990
The NEA, the National Endowment for the Arts,

4272
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:14,450
was established in 65 and is funded primarily

4273
02:22:14,450 --> 02:22:16,990
ballet and modern contemporary dance.

4274
02:22:17,290 --> 02:22:19,030
It has made dance more of an art

4275
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:20,110
than a social event.

4276
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:22,470
This is replicated at the state level in

4277
02:22:22,470 --> 02:22:24,890
government organizations such as the Texas Commission on

4278
02:22:24,890 --> 02:22:25,250
the Arts.

4279
02:22:25,690 --> 02:22:28,710
It funds highbrow dance concerts to the exclusion

4280
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:30,170
and detriment of regular dance.

4281
02:22:30,350 --> 02:22:32,270
Finally, at the local level, there is a

4282
02:22:32,270 --> 02:22:34,910
hotel occupancy tax in most major cities that

4283
02:22:34,910 --> 02:22:36,370
supports the arts.

4284
02:22:36,990 --> 02:22:40,530
This tax props up dance concerts, again, to

4285
02:22:40,530 --> 02:22:43,350
the exclusion and detriment of social dance gatherings.

4286
02:22:43,530 --> 02:22:46,850
The rules exclude competitions, religious, and social events.

4287
02:22:47,350 --> 02:22:50,950
And as the founding director of Dance Houston,

4288
02:22:51,550 --> 02:22:54,830
hello, Dance Houston, I went after and obtained

4289
02:22:54,830 --> 02:22:58,010
these government grants from 2006 to 2020.

4290
02:22:59,270 --> 02:23:01,130
I stopped, listen to this.

4291
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:06,170
I stopped when I started listening to no

4292
02:23:06,170 --> 02:23:06,690
agenda.

4293
02:23:07,130 --> 02:23:08,710
We're hurting the arts.

4294
02:23:10,010 --> 02:23:11,470
And then I wrote this paper.

4295
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:13,010
I'll link to that in the show notes.

4296
02:23:13,350 --> 02:23:15,110
I took aim at my local grantors who

4297
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:16,470
had been very generous with me.

4298
02:23:16,530 --> 02:23:18,190
I stopped applying for grants and updated my

4299
02:23:18,190 --> 02:23:20,330
website with this page that says we will

4300
02:23:20,330 --> 02:23:23,970
receive grants, but not apply to them.

4301
02:23:24,470 --> 02:23:27,550
Major changes happened around here blah, blah, blah,

4302
02:23:27,570 --> 02:23:28,010
blah, blah, blah.

4303
02:23:28,010 --> 02:23:28,950
There's a lot of stuff here.

4304
02:23:30,790 --> 02:23:33,150
I've been biting my tongue about SOCHOPS since

4305
02:23:33,150 --> 02:23:35,870
it may take a dissertation to grasp the

4306
02:23:35,870 --> 02:23:38,950
100-year evolution from public free dancing to

4307
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:40,970
what we have now, but it's my forte,

4308
02:23:41,330 --> 02:23:42,310
so here you have it.

4309
02:23:42,350 --> 02:23:44,910
The government has in fact suppressed dancing and

4310
02:23:44,910 --> 02:23:46,390
elevated concert dance.

4311
02:23:46,850 --> 02:23:49,910
Well, this has given me an idea, a

4312
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:51,110
possible exit strategy.

4313
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:53,750
I'm gonna open a dance hall in Fredericksburg.

4314
02:23:54,830 --> 02:23:56,390
I don't think we have one.

4315
02:23:57,070 --> 02:23:58,250
I'm sure you don't.

4316
02:23:58,350 --> 02:23:59,410
I'm going to open one.

4317
02:23:59,490 --> 02:24:00,850
If they try to tax me, I'm gonna

4318
02:24:00,850 --> 02:24:02,530
cause a stink, I tell you.

4319
02:24:04,210 --> 02:24:05,750
I bet you there's a state law.

4320
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:06,770
We'll find out.

4321
02:24:07,250 --> 02:24:08,470
I think it's peculiar.

4322
02:24:08,650 --> 02:24:11,370
I didn't even consider, her whole note, which

4323
02:24:11,370 --> 02:24:14,730
is long, I didn't consider any of that

4324
02:24:14,730 --> 02:24:15,970
as part of the problem.

4325
02:24:17,290 --> 02:24:20,030
The de-socialization of children is what this

4326
02:24:20,030 --> 02:24:20,790
amounts to.

4327
02:24:21,370 --> 02:24:21,670
Yeah.

4328
02:24:21,670 --> 02:24:24,350
And everything has been, the targeting has been

4329
02:24:24,350 --> 02:24:26,330
the family has been de-socialized.

4330
02:24:26,390 --> 02:24:27,310
They've been trying to get rid of the

4331
02:24:27,310 --> 02:24:29,990
family and they're trying to get socialization down.

4332
02:24:30,130 --> 02:24:33,170
The way to do all of this, I

4333
02:24:33,170 --> 02:24:34,630
would say it's- Well, you know what's

4334
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:35,410
also a problem?

4335
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:38,470
It used to be, as you said, because

4336
02:24:38,470 --> 02:24:40,770
it was the same when I was growing

4337
02:24:40,770 --> 02:24:42,230
up, we had dance.

4338
02:24:42,290 --> 02:24:43,650
It was a class, you took dance.

4339
02:24:43,770 --> 02:24:45,150
I think it was elective, but you took

4340
02:24:45,150 --> 02:24:46,310
dance in school.

4341
02:24:47,210 --> 02:24:52,110
And dance lessons have moved to dance studios

4342
02:24:52,830 --> 02:24:54,030
and they're expensive.

4343
02:24:54,030 --> 02:24:56,150
And you only go there if you're getting

4344
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:58,210
married and you gotta do your first dance.

4345
02:24:59,210 --> 02:25:02,450
We should bring this back and have some

4346
02:25:02,450 --> 02:25:04,750
of those beautiful dances where you dance together.

4347
02:25:04,790 --> 02:25:06,610
And we do have line dancing in Texas

4348
02:25:06,610 --> 02:25:08,390
and we have stuff like that.

4349
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:11,010
But there's something to be said for that,

4350
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:11,250
John.

4351
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:11,930
Save the children.

4352
02:25:11,930 --> 02:25:12,350
It's not happening.

4353
02:25:12,350 --> 02:25:15,830
The tendency is to bust up the family,

4354
02:25:16,510 --> 02:25:19,090
stop people from socializing, put them on the

4355
02:25:19,090 --> 02:25:21,430
little screens and let them sit there and

4356
02:25:21,430 --> 02:25:24,270
type, type, type and point on their TikTok

4357
02:25:24,270 --> 02:25:25,970
videos and point at you and tell you

4358
02:25:25,970 --> 02:25:27,250
you're bad and wiggle your finger.

4359
02:25:28,270 --> 02:25:29,830
Yes, with bird hands.

4360
02:25:30,670 --> 02:25:31,350
Bird hands.

4361
02:25:31,970 --> 02:25:34,110
All right, enough of that.

4362
02:25:34,510 --> 02:25:37,070
Melinda Lou Padkin's up and she's last on

4363
02:25:37,070 --> 02:25:38,970
our list and she's from Lakewood, Colorado and

4364
02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:39,990
wants jobs, Carmen.

4365
02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:42,430
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4366
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For a resume that gets results and tells

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02:25:45,010 --> 02:25:47,970
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4368
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4369
02:25:50,970 --> 02:25:53,790
That's Image Makers Inc with a K and

4370
02:25:53,790 --> 02:25:55,770
work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and

4371
02:25:55,770 --> 02:25:57,850
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4372
02:25:58,450 --> 02:26:01,750
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.

4373
02:26:01,950 --> 02:26:03,430
Let's vote for jobs.

4374
02:26:04,130 --> 02:26:05,610
You've got karma.

4375
02:26:06,390 --> 02:26:08,530
I'm telling you, I'll bet you the church

4376
02:26:08,530 --> 02:26:10,130
would let me take the chairs out and

4377
02:26:10,130 --> 02:26:11,390
have a dance.

4378
02:26:12,670 --> 02:26:13,430
We could do it.

4379
02:26:14,290 --> 02:26:16,290
You could, well, let's see if anyone shows

4380
02:26:16,290 --> 02:26:16,550
up.

4381
02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:20,910
Well, no, that's not guaranteed at all.

4382
02:26:21,690 --> 02:26:22,550
Thank you, Linda.

4383
02:26:22,690 --> 02:26:25,050
Thank you to these associate executive producers and

4384
02:26:25,050 --> 02:26:27,830
executive producers for episode 1788.

4385
02:26:28,470 --> 02:26:31,330
We are drawing close to our 18th anniversary

4386
02:26:31,330 --> 02:26:34,430
in October, which is- Okay, don't get

4387
02:26:34,430 --> 02:26:34,930
too excited.

4388
02:26:35,030 --> 02:26:36,010
We haven't made it yet.

4389
02:26:36,250 --> 02:26:38,190
There's no guarantee we're going to make it.

4390
02:26:38,190 --> 02:26:40,050
And I might exit with my dance hall.

4391
02:26:41,090 --> 02:26:43,130
But of course we appreciate you and all

4392
02:26:43,130 --> 02:26:45,550
of these titles are valid show business credits

4393
02:26:45,550 --> 02:26:46,250
that we've discussed.

4394
02:26:46,630 --> 02:26:48,410
And in our second segment, we'll be thanking

4395
02:26:48,410 --> 02:26:49,690
people $50 and above.

4396
02:26:49,830 --> 02:26:52,490
Go to noagendadonations.com to support the show.

4397
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:53,730
It's worth it.

4398
02:26:53,770 --> 02:26:55,870
That is if you get any value out

4399
02:26:55,870 --> 02:26:56,550
of our podcast.

4400
02:26:57,010 --> 02:26:58,090
Noagendadonations.com.

4401
02:26:58,310 --> 02:27:00,450
And thank you to the associate and executive

4402
02:27:00,450 --> 02:27:01,150
producers.

4403
02:27:01,510 --> 02:27:02,750
Our formula is this.

4404
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:05,890
We go out, we hit people in the

4405
02:27:05,890 --> 02:27:06,070
mouth.

4406
02:27:11,330 --> 02:27:11,730
Shut up, babe!

4407
02:27:13,410 --> 02:27:13,810
Order!

4408
02:27:14,290 --> 02:27:15,410
Shut up, babe!

4409
02:27:17,070 --> 02:27:18,430
Shut up, babe!

4410
02:27:19,210 --> 02:27:22,230
I'm kind of liking this idea of a

4411
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:22,910
- And you know what?

4412
02:27:22,950 --> 02:27:24,030
We can do a sock-off.

4413
02:27:24,430 --> 02:27:26,870
We'll just have people take their shoes off.

4414
02:27:27,290 --> 02:27:29,230
Yeah, not that it's necessary, but it'd be

4415
02:27:29,230 --> 02:27:29,530
fun.

4416
02:27:30,830 --> 02:27:31,950
I'm kind of liking this.

4417
02:27:32,130 --> 02:27:34,050
I don't know, but in my old age,

4418
02:27:34,070 --> 02:27:35,270
I'm digging these ideas.

4419
02:27:35,570 --> 02:27:36,590
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

4420
02:27:36,610 --> 02:27:37,930
I'm digging these ideas.

4421
02:27:37,930 --> 02:27:39,990
I have an unreported story.

4422
02:27:40,130 --> 02:27:41,590
I thought I'd run this out of you.

4423
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:42,030
Okay.

4424
02:27:43,270 --> 02:27:45,270
I always like these unreported stories.

4425
02:27:45,390 --> 02:27:46,650
This is a story I read.

4426
02:27:46,810 --> 02:27:47,730
Nobody's covering this.

4427
02:27:47,790 --> 02:27:49,670
I don't know why, but it's good stuff.

4428
02:27:49,850 --> 02:27:51,830
This is the unreported Cook Island story.

4429
02:27:52,050 --> 02:27:54,010
Why is the US competing with China over

4430
02:27:54,010 --> 02:27:55,630
a little island nation in the Pacific?

4431
02:27:55,950 --> 02:27:58,430
The State Department just started seabed mineral talks

4432
02:27:58,430 --> 02:28:00,750
with the Cook Islands, a country with ties

4433
02:28:00,750 --> 02:28:01,670
to New Zealand.

4434
02:28:02,090 --> 02:28:04,210
And it is Washington correspondent Jack Bradley.

4435
02:28:04,210 --> 02:28:06,790
The US is partnering with the Cook Islands

4436
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:09,410
to conduct research on seabed minerals.

4437
02:28:09,970 --> 02:28:12,370
The Pacific Island country sits atop a seabed

4438
02:28:12,370 --> 02:28:15,030
that's reportedly rich in critical minerals, and it's

4439
02:28:15,030 --> 02:28:18,050
also subject to influence by the Chinese Communist

4440
02:28:18,050 --> 02:28:18,430
Party.

4441
02:28:18,810 --> 02:28:20,490
The announcement was made on the Cook Islands'

4442
02:28:20,770 --> 02:28:21,650
60th anniversary.

4443
02:28:22,230 --> 02:28:23,910
They said in a joint statement on Tuesday

4444
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:26,790
that US-linked firms sit at the forefront

4445
02:28:26,790 --> 02:28:29,990
of deep seabed mineral research and exploration in

4446
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:32,770
the Cook Islands, which reflects strong and shared

4447
02:28:32,770 --> 02:28:35,030
US Cook Islands seabed mineral interests.

4448
02:28:35,630 --> 02:28:37,950
Last week, the FBI opened a new office

4449
02:28:37,950 --> 02:28:40,730
in Wellington, New Zealand, which oversees the Cook

4450
02:28:40,730 --> 02:28:43,830
Islands, and it's opened to counter the CCP's

4451
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:46,930
regional influence, cybercrime, and espionage.

4452
02:28:47,090 --> 02:28:49,210
That's what FBI Director Kash Patel said at

4453
02:28:49,210 --> 02:28:51,850
the time, that countering the CCP is a

4454
02:28:51,850 --> 02:28:54,490
top priority both for the US and New

4455
02:28:54,490 --> 02:28:54,810
Zealand.

4456
02:28:54,810 --> 02:28:59,290
Putting us together in common space and sharing

4457
02:28:59,290 --> 02:29:03,790
with intelligence platforms and law enforcement partners and

4458
02:29:03,790 --> 02:29:06,390
defense operations is the only way we are

4459
02:29:06,390 --> 02:29:10,010
going to actually countermand the CCP threat that

4460
02:29:10,010 --> 02:29:12,410
is dominating the Indo-Pakistan region.

4461
02:29:12,670 --> 02:29:15,190
That's as concerns arose earlier this year over

4462
02:29:15,190 --> 02:29:17,930
the Cook Islands' deepening ties with China.

4463
02:29:18,250 --> 02:29:20,490
Their prime minister went to China in February

4464
02:29:20,490 --> 02:29:22,930
and signed a trade and seabed mining agreement

4465
02:29:22,930 --> 02:29:23,830
with the CCP.

4466
02:29:24,190 --> 02:29:25,890
Now, it's funny you mention that because I

4467
02:29:25,890 --> 02:29:27,910
had a clip for the last show from

4468
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:32,190
Australia where they talked about the FBI opening

4469
02:29:32,190 --> 02:29:33,550
this office in New Zealand.

4470
02:29:33,770 --> 02:29:35,650
And the only reason they didn't mention the

4471
02:29:35,650 --> 02:29:37,390
Cook Islands, the only reason I clipped it

4472
02:29:37,390 --> 02:29:41,250
was, why is the FBI operating outside America?

4473
02:29:43,500 --> 02:29:46,460
Which brings us to, besides the second part

4474
02:29:46,460 --> 02:29:48,420
of this clip, which brings us to this

4475
02:29:48,420 --> 02:29:51,760
TV show, which is to soften us up

4476
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,820
for this idea, because they had the show,

4477
02:29:53,940 --> 02:29:55,720
they had these, you know, Dick Wolf did

4478
02:29:55,720 --> 02:29:56,740
these FBI shows.

4479
02:29:56,860 --> 02:29:58,660
First it was FBI, then they rolled out

4480
02:29:58,660 --> 02:30:01,260
FBI Most Wanted, and then they rolled out

4481
02:30:01,260 --> 02:30:02,780
FBI International.

4482
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:05,960
And FBI International makes it sound like the

4483
02:30:05,960 --> 02:30:08,480
FBI is an international police force.

4484
02:30:08,940 --> 02:30:10,880
Most of the stories were taking place in

4485
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:13,380
Europe with an FBI office in Europe.

4486
02:30:13,620 --> 02:30:19,280
And it's just like in any FBI story,

4487
02:30:19,660 --> 02:30:21,680
in like a New York FBI story, like

4488
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:25,340
the regular FBI series, where they're superseding the

4489
02:30:25,340 --> 02:30:28,380
local cops in Europe.

4490
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:33,160
Every time I watch that show, I just

4491
02:30:33,160 --> 02:30:35,040
shake my head thinking, what is this?

4492
02:30:35,100 --> 02:30:37,320
What's going on here with this FBI and

4493
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:39,540
this internationalization of the operation?

4494
02:30:40,480 --> 02:30:41,160
Who are we kidding?

4495
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:42,720
We are the world's policemen.

4496
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:44,020
I guess we have to just admit it

4497
02:30:44,020 --> 02:30:44,580
to ourselves.

4498
02:30:44,860 --> 02:30:45,500
Yeah, yeah.

4499
02:30:45,620 --> 02:30:47,180
Anyway, part two of this and we'll be

4500
02:30:47,180 --> 02:30:47,740
done with it.

4501
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:50,040
But New Zealand's leaders were unhappy that they

4502
02:30:50,040 --> 02:30:52,460
weren't informed about this as the two countries

4503
02:30:52,460 --> 02:30:54,040
share constitutional ties.

4504
02:30:54,520 --> 02:30:57,360
And in June, New Zealand suspended eleven million

4505
02:30:57,360 --> 02:30:59,840
dollars to the Cook Islands in development funding.

4506
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:02,180
China has been working to tie itself to

4507
02:31:02,180 --> 02:31:04,280
several island nations for rare earth minerals.

4508
02:31:04,900 --> 02:31:07,100
China supplies about 90 percent of the world's

4509
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:09,820
rare earths and also dominates in producing many

4510
02:31:09,820 --> 02:31:10,700
critical minerals.

4511
02:31:10,700 --> 02:31:13,400
Analysts say that if China were to ban

4512
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:15,960
exports of these minerals to the U.S.,

4513
02:31:15,960 --> 02:31:19,340
the consequences could be economically catastrophic.

4514
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:22,020
So a total export ban would be devastating

4515
02:31:22,020 --> 02:31:23,060
to the U.S. economy.

4516
02:31:23,300 --> 02:31:25,440
We would need to rely on domestic sources

4517
02:31:25,440 --> 02:31:26,900
if we can get them online and to

4518
02:31:26,900 --> 02:31:28,620
turn to allies as much as possible.

4519
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:30,440
So right now, the U.S. is looking

4520
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:32,880
into alternatives like its trading partners in the

4521
02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:36,560
Indo-Pacific, Japan, Australia and also mining here

4522
02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:37,060
at home.

4523
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:40,020
We have vast mineral resources here.

4524
02:31:40,020 --> 02:31:42,340
A lot of people do not understand how

4525
02:31:42,340 --> 02:31:43,640
much we actually have.

4526
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:46,240
Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to

4527
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:49,280
invest 400 million dollars in a stake in

4528
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:52,560
MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine.

4529
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,880
How do we get so far behind the

4530
02:31:55,880 --> 02:31:57,080
eight ball on this deal?

4531
02:31:57,780 --> 02:31:58,300
What do you mean?

4532
02:31:58,900 --> 02:32:02,200
Well, we did the rare earths, which are

4533
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:03,640
used mostly for that.

4534
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,660
The most important part of them are for

4535
02:32:05,660 --> 02:32:06,260
magnets.

4536
02:32:06,260 --> 02:32:06,880
Yeah.

4537
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:09,480
For a super strong little bitty magnets or

4538
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:11,480
you can't have little stepper motors without little

4539
02:32:11,480 --> 02:32:12,100
bitty magnets.

4540
02:32:12,220 --> 02:32:13,580
You can't have a little bitty magnets without

4541
02:32:13,580 --> 02:32:14,560
these rare earths.

4542
02:32:14,620 --> 02:32:14,840
Yeah.

4543
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:17,440
How did we get so far behind on

4544
02:32:17,440 --> 02:32:20,660
and on letting the Chinese just take over

4545
02:32:20,660 --> 02:32:23,280
the entire business when it's so important?

4546
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:25,880
Thanks, Obama.

4547
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:28,180
But thanks.

4548
02:32:28,420 --> 02:32:29,340
It goes back to Clinton.

4549
02:32:29,500 --> 02:32:31,880
You know, I was talking to my buddy

4550
02:32:31,880 --> 02:32:32,340
Robert.

4551
02:32:32,340 --> 02:32:36,280
Robert works here in in Fredericksburg and he's

4552
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:40,020
a CNC operator and he makes very, very

4553
02:32:40,020 --> 02:32:41,200
tiny parts.

4554
02:32:41,900 --> 02:32:43,440
I think a lot of it's military.

4555
02:32:43,660 --> 02:32:44,840
I mean, he showed me a part.

4556
02:32:45,180 --> 02:32:47,540
It was it was like a, you know,

4557
02:32:47,540 --> 02:32:49,140
it wouldn't even fit on your thumbnail.

4558
02:32:49,380 --> 02:32:51,920
It was so small, complete precision.

4559
02:32:52,340 --> 02:32:54,340
And I said, how are the tariffs doing?

4560
02:32:55,500 --> 02:32:58,760
And he said, you know, it's really a

4561
02:32:58,760 --> 02:33:03,320
problem because our cost has gone up about

4562
02:33:03,320 --> 02:33:06,980
50 percent over, you know, the stuff we're

4563
02:33:06,980 --> 02:33:09,240
importing from China, he says.

4564
02:33:09,320 --> 02:33:10,640
So that is a problem.

4565
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:15,140
He said, however, American metals.

4566
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:17,780
So he wasn't talking about minerals, per se,

4567
02:33:17,880 --> 02:33:20,980
but American metals are far superior to the

4568
02:33:20,980 --> 02:33:21,740
stuff from China.

4569
02:33:21,740 --> 02:33:24,940
And he said, everybody knows that the hidden

4570
02:33:24,940 --> 02:33:27,560
secret is that no matter what you order

4571
02:33:27,560 --> 02:33:30,460
from China, you can throw 40 percent away.

4572
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:32,240
It's just wrong.

4573
02:33:32,320 --> 02:33:32,880
It's broken.

4574
02:33:33,080 --> 02:33:33,940
It's defective.

4575
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:34,620
It's junk.

4576
02:33:35,060 --> 02:33:38,440
So it's really only about 10 percent, 10

4577
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:39,560
percent difference there.

4578
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:41,600
Switching to American stuff.

4579
02:33:41,740 --> 02:33:43,580
But, you know, American companies are getting more

4580
02:33:43,580 --> 02:33:45,360
efficient and the cost is going to come

4581
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:45,680
down.

4582
02:33:45,780 --> 02:33:47,600
And he thinks that this is going to

4583
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:48,760
turn out pretty good.

4584
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:51,300
And I think the same holds true for

4585
02:33:51,300 --> 02:33:53,360
minerals and for the production of minerals.

4586
02:33:54,760 --> 02:33:56,940
And that that company that was mentioned in

4587
02:33:56,940 --> 02:33:59,300
there, one of our producers sent me, you

4588
02:33:59,300 --> 02:34:01,040
know, he said, you know, I heard you

4589
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:02,540
guys talking to what was the name of

4590
02:34:02,540 --> 02:34:03,020
the company?

4591
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:05,920
I think it's MP, you know, MP something

4592
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:06,380
or others.

4593
02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:06,980
Hold on.

4594
02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:09,720
We have vast mineral resources here.

4595
02:34:09,820 --> 02:34:12,040
A lot of people do not understand how

4596
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:13,300
much we actually have.

4597
02:34:13,300 --> 02:34:15,920
Last month, for instance, the Pentagon agreed to

4598
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:18,540
invest four hundred million dollars in a stake

4599
02:34:18,540 --> 02:34:22,220
in MP Materials, America's largest rare earth mine.

4600
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:24,580
So we had mentioned this and one of

4601
02:34:24,580 --> 02:34:26,020
our producers, I mean, knows that, oh, the

4602
02:34:26,020 --> 02:34:27,440
minute I heard you guys talking about it,

4603
02:34:27,580 --> 02:34:30,240
I bought stock and it dropped 10 percent.

4604
02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:32,700
But I'm holding on.

4605
02:34:32,880 --> 02:34:33,600
I'm holding on.

4606
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:34,940
I think it's going to be a good

4607
02:34:34,940 --> 02:34:35,340
idea.

4608
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:36,200
Go to the moon.

4609
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:38,340
I think it may be a good idea.

4610
02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:41,380
We don't mean it's, you know, we're investing

4611
02:34:41,380 --> 02:34:41,960
in mining.

4612
02:34:41,960 --> 02:34:44,400
You know, not necessarily a bad thing.

4613
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:47,820
Well, just we can probably talk about there

4614
02:34:47,820 --> 02:34:49,380
is some tariff stuff.

4615
02:34:51,140 --> 02:34:54,420
Very fun, slanted report, of course, from France,

4616
02:34:54,460 --> 02:34:59,080
24 from Liberation Day to Collection Day as

4617
02:34:59,080 --> 02:35:02,420
U.S. Customs officials finally begin enforcing Donald

4618
02:35:02,420 --> 02:35:03,360
Trump's tariffs.

4619
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,620
On April 2nd, the president announced new import

4620
02:35:06,620 --> 02:35:09,340
duties on virtually all U.S. trading partners

4621
02:35:09,340 --> 02:35:13,180
worldwide, calling them reciprocal for policies that have

4622
02:35:13,180 --> 02:35:16,100
left America with large trade deficits and gutted

4623
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:17,600
its manufacturing base.

4624
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,300
Since then, a number of them have inked

4625
02:35:20,300 --> 02:35:24,120
preliminary frameworks, most U.K. goods now getting

4626
02:35:24,120 --> 02:35:26,740
a 10 percent rate, U.S. allies like

4627
02:35:26,740 --> 02:35:29,900
the E.U., Japan and South Korea reluctantly

4628
02:35:29,900 --> 02:35:33,460
accepting deals for around 15 percent lower than

4629
02:35:33,460 --> 02:35:36,440
Trump's initial threats, but still a major increase

4630
02:35:36,440 --> 02:35:38,140
from their previous positions.

4631
02:35:38,700 --> 02:35:41,200
Some other countries, though, have seen their positions

4632
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:42,460
worsen since April.

4633
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:45,600
India is now facing 50 percent tariffs over

4634
02:35:45,600 --> 02:35:47,340
its purchases of Russian oil.

4635
02:35:47,700 --> 02:35:50,460
Brazil facing the same rate as Trump accuses

4636
02:35:50,460 --> 02:35:53,580
it of persecuting his ally, far right former

4637
02:35:53,580 --> 02:35:55,020
President Jair Bolsonaro.

4638
02:35:55,740 --> 02:35:58,000
Dozens of other countries have not managed to

4639
02:35:58,000 --> 02:35:58,900
reach a new deal.

4640
02:35:59,220 --> 02:36:01,680
Overall, the average U.S. tariff rate is

4641
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,140
going from 2 percent last year up to

4642
02:36:04,140 --> 02:36:05,380
15 percent.

4643
02:36:05,380 --> 02:36:09,140
Meanwhile, Trump has either threatened or already imposed

4644
02:36:09,140 --> 02:36:13,300
significant sector specific duties on industries like automobiles,

4645
02:36:13,560 --> 02:36:16,320
metals, pharmaceuticals and microprocessors.

4646
02:36:17,000 --> 02:36:19,780
Those tariffs have already raised significant revenues.

4647
02:36:20,180 --> 02:36:21,600
By the end of July, the U.S.

4648
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:25,080
had collected over 150 billion dollars in customs

4649
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:27,720
duties, nearly double the amount from the same

4650
02:36:27,720 --> 02:36:29,020
period last year.

4651
02:36:29,620 --> 02:36:32,460
Though they target foreign goods, tariffs are a

4652
02:36:32,460 --> 02:36:34,300
tax paid by importers.

4653
02:36:34,300 --> 02:36:37,920
U.S. businesses and consumers are thus now

4654
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:41,540
bracing for higher prices amid a rapid reordering

4655
02:36:41,540 --> 02:36:43,380
of the global trade system.

4656
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,940
Now, this is the continuous narrative of people

4657
02:36:45,940 --> 02:36:47,000
against the tariffs.

4658
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:51,100
What is your opinion on that, that, oh,

4659
02:36:51,220 --> 02:36:53,200
we're going to get inflation, the prices are

4660
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:53,840
going to rise.

4661
02:36:53,980 --> 02:36:55,180
All I hear is.

4662
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:59,600
Producers saying, well, we're just eating that cost

4663
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:01,460
because we really can't charge more.

4664
02:37:01,460 --> 02:37:05,840
I think that's the general opinion from the

4665
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:08,040
pro tariff people, that that's what's going to

4666
02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:11,140
happen mostly and especially from the China side.

4667
02:37:11,540 --> 02:37:14,480
China's markup is even though this is all

4668
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:17,600
this cheap stuff from China, I've had more

4669
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:19,520
than a few producers from China.

4670
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:20,000
Right.

4671
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:21,320
And, you know, you have no idea.

4672
02:37:21,760 --> 02:37:23,780
He says the stuff they're selling that looks

4673
02:37:23,780 --> 02:37:26,140
cheap at two bucks, they could drop it

4674
02:37:26,140 --> 02:37:27,640
to a buck and still be cheap for

4675
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:29,620
them sort of thing.

4676
02:37:29,620 --> 02:37:32,180
And so so the Chinese can eat a

4677
02:37:32,180 --> 02:37:33,960
lot of the a lot of the profits.

4678
02:37:34,140 --> 02:37:36,100
They're just making money hand over fist with

4679
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:36,960
their overproduction.

4680
02:37:37,380 --> 02:37:39,580
I see you're you're shooting yourself in the

4681
02:37:39,580 --> 02:37:40,100
foot here.

4682
02:37:40,740 --> 02:37:41,180
Why?

4683
02:37:41,340 --> 02:37:43,940
Because you should say, yeah, it's because of

4684
02:37:43,940 --> 02:37:46,060
the tariffs that we can't do the microphone

4685
02:37:46,060 --> 02:37:47,020
company.

4686
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:54,480
Yeah, I walked right into that.

4687
02:37:54,660 --> 02:37:55,800
You probably set me up.

4688
02:37:55,880 --> 02:37:56,520
That was a setup.

4689
02:37:56,580 --> 02:37:57,460
That was a nice try.

4690
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,120
I was thinking about it for weeks, for

4691
02:37:59,120 --> 02:37:59,460
weeks.

4692
02:37:59,460 --> 02:38:01,120
Yeah, you've been sitting on that.

4693
02:38:01,260 --> 02:38:04,140
You people don't realize that you actually sit

4694
02:38:04,140 --> 02:38:05,640
around and rehearse in the mirror.

4695
02:38:05,940 --> 02:38:06,260
I do.

4696
02:38:06,500 --> 02:38:07,840
How can I get him now?

4697
02:38:07,980 --> 02:38:08,760
I'll get him this.

4698
02:38:09,020 --> 02:38:10,280
Yeah, that's basically it.

4699
02:38:10,360 --> 02:38:11,120
That's my whole life.

4700
02:38:11,220 --> 02:38:12,380
Now, there is good news.

4701
02:38:13,320 --> 02:38:14,740
Trump checks incoming.

4702
02:38:15,060 --> 02:38:17,200
Well, remember those stimulus checks from a few

4703
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:20,200
years back, the federal government depositing a few

4704
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:22,960
hundred bucks in your bank account during covid

4705
02:38:22,960 --> 02:38:23,420
-19?

4706
02:38:23,810 --> 02:38:27,120
Well, a similar idea has been introduced in

4707
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:30,080
Congress, not because of a global health emergency,

4708
02:38:30,380 --> 02:38:32,280
but because of the record amount of revenue

4709
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:34,580
being brought in through tariffs.

4710
02:38:34,980 --> 02:38:38,080
Republican Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri has officially

4711
02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:42,060
introduced this piece of legislation entitled American Worker

4712
02:38:42,060 --> 02:38:43,640
Rebate Act of 2025.

4713
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:46,260
It's based on the belief that the federal

4714
02:38:46,260 --> 02:38:49,060
government is bringing in a record amount of

4715
02:38:49,060 --> 02:38:49,880
tariff revenue.

4716
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:52,600
And as a result, the American people deserve

4717
02:38:52,600 --> 02:38:53,140
a cut.

4718
02:38:53,400 --> 02:38:55,780
In June, for instance, the federal government reported

4719
02:38:55,780 --> 02:38:58,880
a new tariff revenue record of over 26

4720
02:38:58,880 --> 02:38:59,320
billion.

4721
02:38:59,620 --> 02:39:01,580
That is quadruple the amount from the same

4722
02:39:01,580 --> 02:39:02,900
month last year.

4723
02:39:03,260 --> 02:39:05,700
Even more tariff revenue appears to be on

4724
02:39:05,700 --> 02:39:06,080
the way.

4725
02:39:06,320 --> 02:39:09,040
President Donald Trump announcing new tariff rates for

4726
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,440
European countries in recent days.

4727
02:39:11,620 --> 02:39:13,980
Here is how the proposed tariff rebate plan

4728
02:39:13,980 --> 02:39:15,400
could possibly work.

4729
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:18,720
According to Senator Hawley's legislation, six hundred dollars

4730
02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:21,140
per adult and child would be deposited by

4731
02:39:21,140 --> 02:39:24,000
the Treasury Department into Americans bank accounts.

4732
02:39:24,340 --> 02:39:27,040
Individuals making under seventy five thousand dollars a

4733
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:29,440
year and couples who file their taxes jointly

4734
02:39:29,440 --> 02:39:31,820
and make under one hundred and fifty thousand

4735
02:39:31,820 --> 02:39:33,060
would qualify.

4736
02:39:33,500 --> 02:39:36,680
Those earning more would receive a reduced payout.

4737
02:39:36,980 --> 02:39:39,980
The amount could even increase depending on if

4738
02:39:39,980 --> 02:39:41,980
tariff revenue booms even more.

4739
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:43,140
I make a prediction.

4740
02:39:43,820 --> 02:39:44,560
Here's my prediction.

4741
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:46,960
These checks will come as checks.

4742
02:39:47,220 --> 02:39:49,700
They will have President Trump's smiling face on

4743
02:39:49,700 --> 02:39:49,800
it.

4744
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:51,680
They will have his signature and it will

4745
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:54,220
be just about around the midterms.

4746
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:56,220
That's what you do.

4747
02:39:56,360 --> 02:39:57,060
That's what you do.

4748
02:39:57,180 --> 02:39:58,320
It's called bribing the public.

4749
02:39:58,460 --> 02:39:59,660
It's a great way to do it.

4750
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:01,360
Everyone will be happy.

4751
02:40:01,620 --> 02:40:03,660
And who's going to complain about it?

4752
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:06,580
Or the Democrats.

4753
02:40:07,880 --> 02:40:08,860
They're going to hide.

4754
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:10,600
They're going to run away and say, hey,

4755
02:40:10,600 --> 02:40:11,580
this is a bribe.

4756
02:40:11,900 --> 02:40:12,060
Yes.

4757
02:40:12,140 --> 02:40:12,600
No, Trump.

4758
02:40:12,700 --> 02:40:13,920
I think when he did it the first

4759
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:16,380
time because he put his signature on these

4760
02:40:16,380 --> 02:40:19,860
checks and there was something about it was

4761
02:40:19,860 --> 02:40:22,200
like just like Scott Besant, which I'm convinced

4762
02:40:22,200 --> 02:40:24,760
only wants to remain as a Treasury secretary

4763
02:40:24,760 --> 02:40:26,880
because his signature is on every bill.

4764
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:27,460
Yes.

4765
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:29,840
So every bill that's printed has got his

4766
02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:31,540
signature on it, which is kind of cool

4767
02:40:31,540 --> 02:40:32,500
if you think about it.

4768
02:40:32,620 --> 02:40:33,160
Very cool.

4769
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:35,080
And so why would you want to do

4770
02:40:35,080 --> 02:40:37,640
anything but that job in your signature on

4771
02:40:37,640 --> 02:40:39,060
every dollar bill?

4772
02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:40,980
Because, you know, it's not really money.

4773
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:42,740
It's it belongs to the Treasury.

4774
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:45,000
And it's got your signature on it.

4775
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,740
But so Trump, as a promoter, sees this

4776
02:40:48,740 --> 02:40:49,580
as an opportunity.

4777
02:40:49,900 --> 02:40:50,980
I agree 100 percent.

4778
02:40:51,100 --> 02:40:51,800
I don't think it's picture.

4779
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:53,700
I didn't think about the picture.

4780
02:40:53,880 --> 02:40:55,200
But now that you mention it, I think

4781
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:58,920
instead of a seal, you have Trump's picture.

4782
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:01,400
That's not a bad idea.

4783
02:41:01,780 --> 02:41:04,060
I'm sure they'll be mulling that over.

4784
02:41:04,660 --> 02:41:07,280
And and not to not to fall short

4785
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:09,020
over there in the European Union.

4786
02:41:09,220 --> 02:41:11,740
Unfortunately, I looked for a long time to

4787
02:41:11,740 --> 02:41:12,680
get this full clip.

4788
02:41:12,680 --> 02:41:14,640
I could not find the clip with the

4789
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:19,100
question that Christine Fifi Lagarde answered.

4790
02:41:19,660 --> 02:41:22,560
And the question was about the digital euro.

4791
02:41:23,240 --> 02:41:24,680
And I won't tell you what the question

4792
02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:26,960
was, because she she answers that at the

4793
02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:28,740
very end of this rather short clip.

4794
02:41:28,820 --> 02:41:31,320
It's annoying because I really wanted to have

4795
02:41:31,320 --> 02:41:32,800
the I really want to have the full

4796
02:41:32,800 --> 02:41:34,920
series is from euro debates.

4797
02:41:34,920 --> 02:41:36,660
But then they chopped it up and they

4798
02:41:36,660 --> 02:41:39,080
didn't have the full or full speech and

4799
02:41:39,080 --> 02:41:39,600
Q&A.

4800
02:41:40,460 --> 02:41:42,900
Now, the digital euro is going to be

4801
02:41:42,900 --> 02:41:46,740
a 100 percent bona fide certified central bank

4802
02:41:46,740 --> 02:41:47,940
digital currency.

4803
02:41:48,500 --> 02:41:49,180
Yeah.

4804
02:41:49,480 --> 02:41:53,560
Which is a very, very poor idea for

4805
02:41:53,560 --> 02:41:55,300
the people of the European Union.

4806
02:41:55,720 --> 02:41:57,620
And so I think the question was rather

4807
02:41:57,620 --> 02:41:58,140
hostile.

4808
02:41:58,480 --> 02:41:59,800
And here's her answer.

4809
02:42:00,020 --> 02:42:02,820
You know, I have a pretty simple understanding

4810
02:42:02,820 --> 02:42:04,880
of what the digital euro is.

4811
02:42:05,500 --> 02:42:09,400
And for me, this is the digital expression

4812
02:42:09,400 --> 02:42:10,580
of cash.

4813
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:11,740
Right.

4814
02:42:12,160 --> 02:42:14,300
I mean, we all have cash.

4815
02:42:14,540 --> 02:42:16,240
Well, most of you, I suppose I do.

4816
02:42:16,500 --> 02:42:18,760
I like cash, but it takes the form

4817
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:20,080
of coins or banknotes.

4818
02:42:20,460 --> 02:42:22,960
This is cash and this is central bank

4819
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:24,000
money, if you will.

4820
02:42:24,060 --> 02:42:24,900
It's sovereign money.

4821
02:42:25,540 --> 02:42:27,920
There's a big difference between sovereign and central

4822
02:42:27,920 --> 02:42:28,500
bank money.

4823
02:42:28,580 --> 02:42:31,480
But OK, Fifi, I really don't understand much

4824
02:42:31,480 --> 02:42:32,500
about the digital euro.

4825
02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:33,320
Yeah, you do.

4826
02:42:34,140 --> 02:42:37,600
But as technologies evolve over the course of

4827
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:42,120
time and as the preference for payment evolves

4828
02:42:42,120 --> 02:42:45,080
as a result, we need to respond to

4829
02:42:45,080 --> 02:42:48,040
the demand of our European compatriots.

4830
02:42:48,920 --> 02:42:52,060
And I see digital euro as the digital

4831
02:42:52,060 --> 02:42:54,440
expression of cash.

4832
02:42:55,400 --> 02:42:57,140
It's like digital cash.

4833
02:42:57,640 --> 02:42:59,840
You can argue at the margin that in

4834
02:42:59,840 --> 02:43:03,560
terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not

4835
02:43:03,560 --> 02:43:04,980
exactly on the same page.

4836
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:07,600
You could argue in the margin, in the

4837
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:09,980
margin that, you know, it's not quite the

4838
02:43:09,980 --> 02:43:12,020
same privacy you have as cash.

4839
02:43:12,420 --> 02:43:14,940
No, it's not the margin that is the

4840
02:43:14,940 --> 02:43:16,520
main point of it.

4841
02:43:16,940 --> 02:43:18,960
You can argue at the margin that in

4842
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:22,640
terms of, you know, absolute privacy, we're not

4843
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,060
exactly on the same page.

4844
02:43:24,060 --> 02:43:26,080
You could argue that the cost of cash

4845
02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:28,720
is higher than blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

4846
02:43:29,080 --> 02:43:29,900
That's what it is.

4847
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:34,180
So to argue that digital cash is a

4848
02:43:34,180 --> 02:43:36,620
nuclear bomb, I think that's a little bit

4849
02:43:36,620 --> 02:43:37,180
over the top.

4850
02:43:37,440 --> 02:43:39,620
We're not holding nuclear bombs in our pockets,

4851
02:43:39,820 --> 02:43:40,620
as far as I know.

4852
02:43:41,140 --> 02:43:44,860
That guy said CBDC is a nuclear bomb.

4853
02:43:44,980 --> 02:43:46,860
You're going to trap everybody in it.

4854
02:43:46,960 --> 02:43:48,400
That's exactly right.

4855
02:43:49,620 --> 02:43:51,260
That's exactly what's happening.

4856
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:53,080
Get out while you can, Europe.

4857
02:43:53,080 --> 02:43:55,760
Don't be like John in California, stuck there

4858
02:43:55,760 --> 02:43:56,840
until the cycle's over.

4859
02:43:58,460 --> 02:44:00,420
You won't survive it.

4860
02:44:01,620 --> 02:44:03,360
Yeah, it's a cycle.

4861
02:44:05,560 --> 02:44:11,680
OK, then some movement on the Russia-Ukraine

4862
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:12,120
front.

4863
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:16,140
After weeks of worsening relations, Donald Trump now

4864
02:44:16,140 --> 02:44:18,040
says a face to face meeting with Vladimir

4865
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:19,940
Putin is on the cards in the near

4866
02:44:19,940 --> 02:44:20,340
future.

4867
02:44:20,340 --> 02:44:22,400
We had some very good talks with President

4868
02:44:22,400 --> 02:44:25,440
Putin today, and there's a very good chance

4869
02:44:25,440 --> 02:44:28,640
that we could be ending the ending the

4870
02:44:28,640 --> 02:44:30,560
round, ending the end of that road.

4871
02:44:30,700 --> 02:44:33,660
That road was long and continues to be

4872
02:44:33,660 --> 02:44:34,000
long.

4873
02:44:34,200 --> 02:44:36,040
But there's a good chance that there will

4874
02:44:36,040 --> 02:44:37,500
be a meeting very soon.

4875
02:44:37,700 --> 02:44:39,620
While the U.S. president declined to give

4876
02:44:39,620 --> 02:44:42,020
an exact date, the New York Times reported

4877
02:44:42,020 --> 02:44:44,000
it could be as early as next week.

4878
02:44:44,300 --> 02:44:46,140
Trump then wants a three-way summit with

4879
02:44:46,140 --> 02:44:48,740
President Putin and Ukraine's President Zelensky.

4880
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:50,800
If the talks do go ahead, it would

4881
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:52,940
be the first time American and Russian leaders

4882
02:44:52,940 --> 02:44:55,560
meet face to face since the 2021 Geneva

4883
02:44:55,560 --> 02:44:55,940
summit.

4884
02:44:56,200 --> 02:44:58,480
The announcement comes hours after the U.S.'s

4885
02:44:58,480 --> 02:45:01,340
special envoy, Steve Whitkoff, met with Putin in

4886
02:45:01,340 --> 02:45:01,660
Moscow.

4887
02:45:02,060 --> 02:45:04,000
The Kremlin called these talks productive.

4888
02:45:04,520 --> 02:45:06,560
Russia has until Friday to agree to a

4889
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:08,820
ceasefire or face further sanctions.

4890
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:11,800
Trump discussed Whitkoff's visit with Zelensky and European

4891
02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:13,880
allies in a phone call, which was welcomed

4892
02:45:13,880 --> 02:45:15,080
by the Ukrainian leader.

4893
02:45:15,500 --> 02:45:17,180
We discussed what was said in Moscow.

4894
02:45:17,180 --> 02:45:19,500
It seems that Russia is now more inclined

4895
02:45:19,500 --> 02:45:20,560
to agree to a ceasefire.

4896
02:45:20,740 --> 02:45:21,780
The pressure on them is working.

4897
02:45:22,220 --> 02:45:23,360
But the main thing is that they do

4898
02:45:23,360 --> 02:45:25,260
not deceive us or the U.S. in

4899
02:45:25,260 --> 02:45:25,880
the details.

4900
02:45:26,460 --> 02:45:28,740
Despite the optimism, the White House says it

4901
02:45:28,740 --> 02:45:31,300
will still impose secondary tariffs on countries that

4902
02:45:31,300 --> 02:45:32,200
buy Russian oil.

4903
02:45:32,400 --> 02:45:34,400
That could see goods from any country face

4904
02:45:34,400 --> 02:45:37,260
100 percent tax when imported to the U

4905
02:45:37,260 --> 02:45:39,300
.S. Oh, there you go.

4906
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:40,960
I have a Whitkoff clip.

4907
02:45:41,060 --> 02:45:43,140
Play my if there's any different information in

4908
02:45:43,140 --> 02:45:43,280
it.

4909
02:45:43,280 --> 02:45:47,220
OK, Whitkoff, a motorcade believed to be carrying

4910
02:45:47,220 --> 02:45:49,760
U.S. special envoy Steve Whitkoff, left the

4911
02:45:49,760 --> 02:45:50,700
Kremlin on Wednesday.

4912
02:45:51,340 --> 02:45:53,880
President Trump says Whitkoff had a highly productive

4913
02:45:53,880 --> 02:45:56,380
meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

4914
02:45:56,780 --> 02:45:59,040
Trump added that great progress was made.

4915
02:45:59,460 --> 02:46:02,260
Afterwards, I updated some of our European allies.

4916
02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:04,860
Everyone agrees this war must come to a

4917
02:46:04,860 --> 02:46:05,220
close.

4918
02:46:05,940 --> 02:46:08,740
Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was on the call

4919
02:46:08,740 --> 02:46:10,980
with Trump and European allies as well on

4920
02:46:10,980 --> 02:46:11,360
Wednesday.

4921
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:14,380
According to Zelensky, Putin is more open to

4922
02:46:14,380 --> 02:46:17,120
peace talks after Wednesday's meeting with Whitkoff.

4923
02:46:18,340 --> 02:46:20,520
We discussed what was said in Moscow.

4924
02:46:21,100 --> 02:46:23,180
It appears that Russia is now more inclined

4925
02:46:23,180 --> 02:46:24,460
to consider a ceasefire.

4926
02:46:24,920 --> 02:46:26,160
The pressure on them is working.

4927
02:46:26,480 --> 02:46:29,480
Russia's foreign policy adviser says the meeting lasted

4928
02:46:29,480 --> 02:46:30,260
three hours.

4929
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:32,220
When it comes to its topics, first of

4930
02:46:32,220 --> 02:46:33,960
all, it was the Ukraine crisis.

4931
02:46:34,480 --> 02:46:36,620
And the second topic was possible development of

4932
02:46:36,620 --> 02:46:39,340
strategic cooperation between the U.S. and Russia.

4933
02:46:40,300 --> 02:46:43,020
Trump is now open to meet with Putin

4934
02:46:43,020 --> 02:46:45,060
to discuss possible peace solutions.

4935
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:48,820
White House press secretary Caroline Leavitt tells NTD

4936
02:46:48,820 --> 02:46:51,320
sister media the Epoch Times that the Russians

4937
02:46:51,320 --> 02:46:53,920
expressed their desire to meet with President Trump

4938
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:56,040
and the president is open to meeting with

4939
02:46:56,040 --> 02:46:58,480
both President Putin and President Zelensky.

4940
02:46:58,860 --> 02:47:01,380
President Trump wants this brutal war to end.

4941
02:47:02,040 --> 02:47:04,560
The developments come just two days before a

4942
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:06,880
deadline for Russia to strike a peace deal

4943
02:47:06,880 --> 02:47:07,520
with Ukraine.

4944
02:47:07,900 --> 02:47:10,720
Trump says he'll increase economic pressure on Moscow

4945
02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:12,780
if no deal is reached by Friday.

4946
02:47:13,400 --> 02:47:15,360
You know, I think you're right about stable

4947
02:47:15,360 --> 02:47:16,240
coin in Russia.

4948
02:47:16,520 --> 02:47:18,040
And that that's got to be a part

4949
02:47:18,040 --> 02:47:18,320
of it.

4950
02:47:18,380 --> 02:47:19,080
Listen, Vlad.

4951
02:47:19,800 --> 02:47:20,440
All right.

4952
02:47:20,840 --> 02:47:21,320
Armistice.

4953
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:22,900
OK, we'll do armistice.

4954
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:23,620
We'll have a deal.

4955
02:47:23,900 --> 02:47:25,480
I think the armistice thing's a good idea.

4956
02:47:25,740 --> 02:47:27,500
Armistice demilitarized zone.

4957
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:29,320
And we'll get you your stable coin.

4958
02:47:29,640 --> 02:47:31,620
And then we can do deals without those

4959
02:47:31,620 --> 02:47:33,780
annoying Brussels people with Swift.

4960
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:35,080
It's easy.

4961
02:47:35,340 --> 02:47:36,820
And that's exactly what we want.

4962
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:39,080
And I think the Russians want that, too.

4963
02:47:39,160 --> 02:47:40,700
They they're good traders.

4964
02:47:40,920 --> 02:47:43,260
I mean, they don't compete with us really

4965
02:47:43,260 --> 02:47:44,680
in terms of giant market.

4966
02:47:44,820 --> 02:47:47,160
But everybody likes trading with us.

4967
02:47:47,220 --> 02:47:48,980
There's a lot of opportunities here.

4968
02:47:49,620 --> 02:47:50,800
We're good traders.

4969
02:47:52,260 --> 02:47:53,020
We are.

4970
02:47:53,220 --> 02:47:53,440
Yeah.

4971
02:47:55,340 --> 02:47:55,760
We are.

4972
02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:57,900
So let's do some just do some deals.

4973
02:47:58,360 --> 02:47:59,700
Let's do a deal, man.

4974
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:00,480
Let's do some deal.

4975
02:48:00,540 --> 02:48:01,740
Yeah, let's do some deals already.

4976
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:03,420
The Russians, you know, they're running out of

4977
02:48:03,420 --> 02:48:04,160
champagne.

4978
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:06,760
You know, these guys, they need champagne.

4979
02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:08,920
No, there's you've been around these Russians.

4980
02:48:09,100 --> 02:48:10,700
And, you know, if you in Europe, you

4981
02:48:10,700 --> 02:48:12,980
see a bunch of these Russian oligarchs that

4982
02:48:12,980 --> 02:48:16,200
pop and sham the most expensive crap you

4983
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:16,860
can imagine.

4984
02:48:16,980 --> 02:48:18,480
They're just opening it up and dumping it

4985
02:48:18,480 --> 02:48:19,360
on women's heads.

4986
02:48:19,500 --> 02:48:19,920
Oh, yeah.

4987
02:48:20,040 --> 02:48:20,440
Yeah.

4988
02:48:20,760 --> 02:48:20,860
Yeah.

4989
02:48:21,480 --> 02:48:22,420
In the club.

4990
02:48:23,140 --> 02:48:24,500
Yeah, they're just crazy.

4991
02:48:24,820 --> 02:48:25,540
Yeah, they are.

4992
02:48:25,720 --> 02:48:25,980
Yeah.

4993
02:48:26,900 --> 02:48:28,760
Although we appear to be auctioning off one

4994
02:48:28,760 --> 02:48:30,200
of those oligarchs yachts.

4995
02:48:31,700 --> 02:48:33,480
Like a three hundred and twenty five million

4996
02:48:33,480 --> 02:48:34,400
dollar yacht.

4997
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:37,040
Well, it's just stealing property.

4998
02:48:37,180 --> 02:48:38,180
We have to stop doing that.

4999
02:48:38,280 --> 02:48:39,180
That's why this has got to end.

5000
02:48:39,420 --> 02:48:40,040
That's very bad.

5001
02:48:40,280 --> 02:48:41,360
You know, that was like this.

5002
02:48:41,500 --> 02:48:43,920
All of a sudden, there was this huge

5003
02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:45,360
breaking story.

5004
02:48:45,880 --> 02:48:48,500
Alex Jones was flipping out over it that

5005
02:48:48,500 --> 02:48:51,280
Trump is going to deny disaster aid to

5006
02:48:51,280 --> 02:48:54,120
any state that that boycotts Israel.

5007
02:48:54,760 --> 02:48:56,460
And man, people went crazy.

5008
02:48:57,780 --> 02:48:58,460
And what?

5009
02:48:58,540 --> 02:48:59,580
And I looked into it.

5010
02:49:00,620 --> 02:49:02,420
And what it was is there was some

5011
02:49:02,420 --> 02:49:05,040
DHS document, and I wouldn't put it past

5012
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:07,080
Kristi Noem to have put this in herself.

5013
02:49:08,020 --> 02:49:10,540
And it did indeed have language like, oh,

5014
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:13,680
if you have a state that that boycotts

5015
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:16,340
BDS, that boycotts Israel, then.

5016
02:49:17,580 --> 02:49:19,300
And of course, we know that, you know,

5017
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:22,780
Mossad has has Epstein tapes on Trump.

5018
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:24,840
So obviously he would have to do that.

5019
02:49:24,860 --> 02:49:25,680
And what did he do?

5020
02:49:25,740 --> 02:49:28,400
He said, no, we're not doing that nonsense.

5021
02:49:28,400 --> 02:49:31,480
We put American states first, so it died

5022
02:49:31,480 --> 02:49:32,340
off real quick.

5023
02:49:34,060 --> 02:49:36,840
I thought that was rather interesting how, you

5024
02:49:36,840 --> 02:49:39,640
know, you don't you don't hear the you

5025
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:41,560
don't hear people say, oh, Trump just won

5026
02:49:41,560 --> 02:49:42,560
against the Mossad.

5027
02:49:46,620 --> 02:49:49,300
I got a couple of clips on the

5028
02:49:49,300 --> 02:49:50,100
data centers.

5029
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:53,180
Ah, OK, because this is actually should have

5030
02:49:53,180 --> 02:49:54,660
brought should have brought this in during the

5031
02:49:54,660 --> 02:49:55,400
discussion.

5032
02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:56,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

5033
02:49:56,900 --> 02:49:59,680
But I'm looking at these two clips and

5034
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:01,140
I can't figure out which is which.

5035
02:50:01,280 --> 02:50:02,580
But let's start with data centers.

5036
02:50:02,780 --> 02:50:06,720
VA, Virginia, the rise of data centers is

5037
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:08,700
becoming one of the hottest issues on the

5038
02:50:08,700 --> 02:50:11,240
campaign trail this year in the election for

5039
02:50:11,240 --> 02:50:12,900
the Virginia House of Delegates.

5040
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:16,120
Virginia Public Radio's Michael Pope has details.

5041
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:19,920
There's one issue that former delegate Elizabeth Guzman

5042
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:22,120
hears about all the time in her campaign

5043
02:50:22,120 --> 02:50:24,780
for a battlefield house seat in Prince William

5044
02:50:24,780 --> 02:50:27,340
County data centers.

5045
02:50:27,700 --> 02:50:29,540
They are telling me, OK, great data centers

5046
02:50:29,540 --> 02:50:32,660
are here, but I don't see what is

5047
02:50:32,660 --> 02:50:33,340
in it for me.

5048
02:50:33,440 --> 02:50:36,720
I don't see those incentives reflected on my

5049
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:37,720
property tax bill.

5050
02:50:37,860 --> 02:50:40,900
The Republican incumbent she's trying to unseat is

5051
02:50:40,900 --> 02:50:42,500
delegate Ian Lovejoy.

5052
02:50:42,680 --> 02:50:44,520
In the last session of the General Assembly,

5053
02:50:44,620 --> 02:50:47,860
he introduced an unsuccessful bill that would have

5054
02:50:47,860 --> 02:50:51,580
prohibited local governments from allowing data centers within

5055
02:50:51,580 --> 02:50:54,960
a quarter mile of parks, schools or residences.

5056
02:50:55,320 --> 02:50:57,700
When local governments get it wrong so often

5057
02:50:57,700 --> 02:51:00,060
and so consistently, there is a role for

5058
02:51:00,060 --> 02:51:01,740
the state government to step in and say

5059
02:51:01,740 --> 02:51:02,700
that you're being out of line.

5060
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:06,440
His bill did not get out of subcommittee,

5061
02:51:06,660 --> 02:51:09,080
but the General Assembly did pass a separate

5062
02:51:09,080 --> 02:51:11,580
bill that would have required local governments to

5063
02:51:11,580 --> 02:51:13,900
do a site assessment of water use and

5064
02:51:13,900 --> 02:51:17,340
potential noise output of any proposed data center.

5065
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:20,900
Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin vetoed it.

5066
02:51:21,900 --> 02:51:23,020
Yeah, Michael Pope.

5067
02:51:26,820 --> 02:51:29,600
Water at the very end, that guy.

5068
02:51:29,880 --> 02:51:31,120
And that's what I have is a second

5069
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:31,480
clip.

5070
02:51:31,640 --> 02:51:33,080
You have to listen to this way.

5071
02:51:33,140 --> 02:51:35,080
This guy ended this thing he did.

5072
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:36,980
He did the the meme.

5073
02:51:37,080 --> 02:51:37,960
What was that, Cy?

5074
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:39,280
What's the name of your aunt?

5075
02:51:39,540 --> 02:51:42,960
And Gigi and Gigi does an aunt Gigi

5076
02:51:42,960 --> 02:51:44,060
thing at the end.

5077
02:51:44,140 --> 02:51:45,640
I have the I have the very short

5078
02:51:45,640 --> 02:51:46,420
version of it right here.

5079
02:51:46,460 --> 02:51:47,940
This is the very end of that clip.

5080
02:51:47,940 --> 02:51:50,360
Michael Pope.

5081
02:51:51,900 --> 02:51:52,780
Not quite.

5082
02:51:55,120 --> 02:51:57,880
What kind of reporting is this is NPR.

5083
02:51:58,600 --> 02:52:00,980
You got a guy moaning and groaning on

5084
02:52:00,980 --> 02:52:01,200
there.

5085
02:52:06,020 --> 02:52:08,940
Yeah, oh, yeah, I think we should.

5086
02:52:09,100 --> 02:52:11,500
We OK, I think I got I got

5087
02:52:11,500 --> 02:52:13,400
a shorty here, a real shorty, because this

5088
02:52:13,400 --> 02:52:15,980
was like, wow, we're spending money on this.

5089
02:52:16,080 --> 02:52:18,120
It could be another giant leap for mankind.

5090
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:21,760
And then some acting NASA administrator Sean Duffy

5091
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:23,860
is set to fast track efforts to put

5092
02:52:23,860 --> 02:52:27,420
a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030.

5093
02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:30,780
Documents obtained by Politico and confirmed by ABC

5094
02:52:30,780 --> 02:52:32,300
News detail the plan.

5095
02:52:32,700 --> 02:52:35,020
Duffy calls it the second space race, citing

5096
02:52:35,020 --> 02:52:37,140
similar plans by China and Russia.

5097
02:52:37,360 --> 02:52:39,920
The concern is those countries could potentially block

5098
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:42,760
others from exploration if their reactor reaches the

5099
02:52:42,760 --> 02:52:43,900
lunar surface first.

5100
02:52:44,380 --> 02:52:46,240
A reactor would be an essential source of

5101
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:48,720
power during long term human stays on the

5102
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:51,300
moon, which is steeped in cold darkness for

5103
02:52:51,300 --> 02:52:52,820
14 days at a time.

5104
02:52:53,880 --> 02:52:58,480
You know, brother, are we really spending money

5105
02:52:58,480 --> 02:52:59,060
on that?

5106
02:52:59,580 --> 02:53:01,720
I don't know why that's that news story

5107
02:53:01,720 --> 02:53:02,760
even came up.

5108
02:53:03,080 --> 02:53:05,880
Well, then to round out my clips for

5109
02:53:05,880 --> 02:53:09,360
today, we know that there's a very exciting

5110
02:53:09,360 --> 02:53:11,580
race in New York City for mayor of

5111
02:53:11,580 --> 02:53:12,120
New York.

5112
02:53:12,700 --> 02:53:13,160
Yes.

5113
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:15,620
With mom, mom, mom, Donnie.

5114
02:53:16,340 --> 02:53:18,480
Do we even know the Republicans name?

5115
02:53:19,740 --> 02:53:20,960
That's it's Sliwa.

5116
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:22,740
Oh, Curtis Sliwa.

5117
02:53:22,880 --> 02:53:24,180
Oh, Curtis Sliwa.

5118
02:53:24,620 --> 02:53:26,160
Well, he's not doing a good job of

5119
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:26,960
promoting himself.

5120
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:30,060
But we do have we do have another

5121
02:53:30,060 --> 02:53:30,500
candidate.

5122
02:53:30,700 --> 02:53:31,780
We've discussed him before.

5123
02:53:32,300 --> 02:53:33,360
He is a show favorite.

5124
02:53:34,520 --> 02:53:37,300
The one and only Reverend Manning.

5125
02:53:37,980 --> 02:53:39,620
Now, yes, you've been saving this clip.

5126
02:53:39,760 --> 02:53:40,680
Well, no, it's a new one.

5127
02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:44,000
You know, he he's now campaigning and he

5128
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:46,660
has a very interesting campaign promise.

5129
02:53:47,660 --> 02:53:52,880
He will remove horsehair from hospitals and restaurants.

5130
02:53:53,200 --> 02:53:55,360
I would enact legislation that you can't have

5131
02:53:55,360 --> 02:53:57,340
braids if you work in a hospital.

5132
02:53:58,140 --> 02:54:00,540
You're standing there trying to give the patient

5133
02:54:00,540 --> 02:54:02,960
an IV in your head, dropping in their

5134
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:03,240
mouth.

5135
02:54:03,320 --> 02:54:03,980
They can't breathe.

5136
02:54:04,040 --> 02:54:05,280
They're either an open and chewing on your

5137
02:54:05,280 --> 02:54:05,460
head.

5138
02:54:05,480 --> 02:54:06,440
I don't know what happened to them.

5139
02:54:07,700 --> 02:54:10,480
You can't have braids and false hair, horse

5140
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:11,580
hair in the hospital.

5141
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:13,700
Horse hair don't belong in the hospital.

5142
02:54:14,860 --> 02:54:17,140
Horse hair don't belong in the restaurants.

5143
02:54:18,360 --> 02:54:20,500
Horse hair don't belong in the schools.

5144
02:54:21,380 --> 02:54:23,580
Horse hair don't belong in the horse hair.

5145
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:24,820
Belong on the horse's ass.

5146
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:25,260
That's where I belong.

5147
02:54:25,420 --> 02:54:26,760
Don't belong on your head.

5148
02:54:29,440 --> 02:54:30,960
Wow, I love him.

5149
02:54:31,820 --> 02:54:32,740
Oh, brother.

5150
02:54:32,900 --> 02:54:34,940
OK, well, you get a borderline clip of

5151
02:54:34,940 --> 02:54:35,880
the day for that one.

5152
02:54:35,880 --> 02:54:38,560
Oh, I didn't even expect that uncovering.

5153
02:54:38,600 --> 02:54:39,880
I didn't even expect that.

5154
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:40,580
It's beautiful.

5155
02:54:43,820 --> 02:54:45,800
I'm going to show my support by donating

5156
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:46,680
to No Agenda.

5157
02:54:46,840 --> 02:54:48,740
Imagine all the people who could do that.

5158
02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:49,980
Oh, yeah, that'd be fun.

5159
02:54:57,080 --> 02:54:58,880
Still ahead, John's tip of the day.

5160
02:54:59,380 --> 02:55:00,580
We also have some.

5161
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:02,020
Nah, this is your tip of the day,

5162
02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:02,720
if you recall.

5163
02:55:04,480 --> 02:55:06,500
Still ahead, Adam's tip of the day.

5164
02:55:08,920 --> 02:55:10,060
Yeah, I have it.

5165
02:55:10,220 --> 02:55:11,500
I do have a tip of the day.

5166
02:55:11,880 --> 02:55:12,440
I do.

5167
02:55:12,600 --> 02:55:14,500
Yeah, I had one last show.

5168
02:55:14,980 --> 02:55:16,640
And so luckily I still have that.

5169
02:55:16,760 --> 02:55:17,980
So I'll bring out my tip of the

5170
02:55:17,980 --> 02:55:18,460
day.

5171
02:55:19,400 --> 02:55:20,120
That's good news.

5172
02:55:20,340 --> 02:55:21,260
Tip of the day.

5173
02:55:21,380 --> 02:55:22,720
I have the tip of the day.

5174
02:55:23,260 --> 02:55:24,560
Boy, saved by the bill.

5175
02:55:25,320 --> 02:55:26,220
Oh, you forgot.

5176
02:55:26,520 --> 02:55:28,200
Well, I forgot, but I have it because

5177
02:55:28,200 --> 02:55:30,060
I saved it in my exquisite.

5178
02:55:30,180 --> 02:55:31,380
Oh, I didn't know you even have one

5179
02:55:31,380 --> 02:55:31,920
for the last show.

5180
02:55:32,040 --> 02:55:32,500
Yeah, I did.

5181
02:55:32,580 --> 02:55:32,700
I have it.

5182
02:55:32,700 --> 02:55:33,580
I had one.

5183
02:55:33,700 --> 02:55:35,100
And that's why you promised to do.

5184
02:55:35,260 --> 02:55:36,940
Yeah, since I knew that I would forget,

5185
02:55:37,060 --> 02:55:37,820
but I would have one.

5186
02:55:37,960 --> 02:55:38,920
So it worked out OK.

5187
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:42,500
Also, some vaccine related end of show clips,

5188
02:55:42,540 --> 02:55:44,560
which are just as good when they were

5189
02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:46,180
created many years ago.

5190
02:55:46,300 --> 02:55:47,800
It still holds true.

5191
02:55:47,900 --> 02:55:49,480
They've been on this train for a long

5192
02:55:49,480 --> 02:55:49,820
time.

5193
02:55:50,080 --> 02:55:51,740
And we also want to thank our supporters.

5194
02:55:51,940 --> 02:55:52,780
Value for value.

5195
02:55:52,820 --> 02:55:54,040
Whatever you get out of the show, just

5196
02:55:54,040 --> 02:55:55,880
send it back to us in any amount.

5197
02:55:56,060 --> 02:55:57,620
We like the the numerology.

5198
02:55:57,640 --> 02:55:59,320
It's always fun to read and fun to

5199
02:55:59,320 --> 02:55:59,860
figure out.

5200
02:56:00,380 --> 02:56:00,940
You can do that.

5201
02:56:00,940 --> 02:56:02,460
No agenda donations dot com.

5202
02:56:02,540 --> 02:56:04,900
John will read the the final supporters for

5203
02:56:04,900 --> 02:56:05,900
today's episode.

5204
02:56:06,220 --> 02:56:07,320
Fifty dollars and above.

5205
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:10,020
Yeah, actually, he's got a mix up his

5206
02:56:10,020 --> 02:56:10,740
brand family.

5207
02:56:10,740 --> 02:56:11,920
Should be at the top of the list

5208
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:12,540
from Placerville.

5209
02:56:12,640 --> 02:56:13,980
They came with one hundred and fifty dollars.

5210
02:56:14,060 --> 02:56:17,880
And then, sir, sir, face tension.

5211
02:56:19,080 --> 02:56:19,980
Is one hundred.

5212
02:56:20,500 --> 02:56:23,700
And this is a donation for to to

5213
02:56:23,700 --> 02:56:26,800
give us the shout out to Nico Seim.

5214
02:56:26,980 --> 02:56:28,320
Oh, for his end of show mix.

5215
02:56:28,320 --> 02:56:31,200
So he he likes the.

5216
02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:34,560
The A.I. show mix.

5217
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:38,000
Yeah, that was the event, but what you

5218
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:40,260
say being yourself, but it was very good

5219
02:56:40,260 --> 02:56:40,720
pronunciation.

5220
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:42,700
I don't know if I think it was

5221
02:56:42,700 --> 02:56:44,480
partially A.I., but not all of it.

5222
02:56:45,100 --> 02:56:47,480
It was a high and back in Vista,

5223
02:56:47,620 --> 02:56:48,740
California, comes in with a hundred.

5224
02:56:48,820 --> 02:56:50,260
Now we have a bunch of and this

5225
02:56:50,260 --> 02:56:52,640
will continue one more show, which is the

5226
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:54,080
eighty eight eighty eight.

5227
02:56:56,740 --> 02:56:59,180
But John and Mimi anniversary done.

5228
02:56:59,340 --> 02:57:00,440
Oh, that's right.

5229
02:57:00,560 --> 02:57:01,660
So people are already jumping.

5230
02:57:01,820 --> 02:57:02,740
Oh, is that in the newsletter?

5231
02:57:03,440 --> 02:57:05,540
Yeah, because I didn't see the newsletter, unfortunately.

5232
02:57:05,620 --> 02:57:06,700
I don't know why I sent it to

5233
02:57:06,700 --> 02:57:06,840
you.

5234
02:57:06,940 --> 02:57:08,280
I know I was on the road doing

5235
02:57:08,280 --> 02:57:09,140
important things.

5236
02:57:10,300 --> 02:57:11,520
But I don't remember.

5237
02:57:11,600 --> 02:57:12,880
But I was on the road doing important

5238
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:13,360
things.

5239
02:57:14,200 --> 02:57:15,760
Arthur Gobert starts this office.

5240
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:18,220
He's in Zot and Dom all in eight,

5241
02:57:18,300 --> 02:57:18,960
eight, eight, eight.

5242
02:57:20,120 --> 02:57:21,360
He liked the cute kittens, too.

5243
02:57:21,420 --> 02:57:23,480
I put in the newsletter, Kevin McLaughlin, eight,

5244
02:57:23,540 --> 02:57:24,640
eight, eight, eight.

5245
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:27,080
But he saw Archduke, a lover of American

5246
02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:27,700
melons.

5247
02:57:28,440 --> 02:57:30,220
He comes in later to an eight oh

5248
02:57:30,220 --> 02:57:30,740
eight.

5249
02:57:32,460 --> 02:57:34,980
Brian Dowd in Stockholm, New Jersey.

5250
02:57:36,260 --> 02:57:37,300
David Keyes.

5251
02:57:37,480 --> 02:57:38,880
And these are all eight, eight, eight, eight

5252
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:40,780
Riverside, California.

5253
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:44,180
Jared Preston in Bennington, Nebraska.

5254
02:57:45,560 --> 02:57:48,800
Now there's Dame Rita, eight, eight, eight, eight.

5255
02:57:49,500 --> 02:57:55,440
A and Sylvia Cridich in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.

5256
02:57:55,940 --> 02:57:57,040
Eight, eight, eight, eight.

5257
02:57:57,100 --> 02:57:58,300
And this will continue on Sunday.

5258
02:57:58,420 --> 02:58:00,000
And we have eighty to twenty five, which

5259
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:00,820
is a variation.

5260
02:58:01,080 --> 02:58:02,820
I put that on there as an option.

5261
02:58:03,100 --> 02:58:04,000
One guy did it.

5262
02:58:04,420 --> 02:58:08,840
And that is Mons Mansour Rod in Alpharetta,

5263
02:58:08,940 --> 02:58:09,240
Georgia.

5264
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:10,880
Thanks, Mansour.

5265
02:58:11,580 --> 02:58:13,840
Kevin McLaughlin's back with eight oh eight.

5266
02:58:13,960 --> 02:58:16,580
As aforementioned, he's the Archduke, a lover, American

5267
02:58:16,580 --> 02:58:17,460
lover of boobs.

5268
02:58:17,460 --> 02:58:21,560
Melons, Stephen Hutto, Stephen Hutto.

5269
02:58:21,800 --> 02:58:24,120
He's in St. Petersburg, Florida, and came in

5270
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:25,260
with seventy five.

5271
02:58:25,860 --> 02:58:27,520
David Cox in Austin, Texas.

5272
02:58:27,640 --> 02:58:28,140
Sixty three.

5273
02:58:28,220 --> 02:58:28,880
Twenty five.

5274
02:58:30,240 --> 02:58:35,740
Teresa is a Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, California,

5275
02:58:35,980 --> 02:58:37,280
sixty one, sixty one.

5276
02:58:38,100 --> 02:58:40,060
And that's the Gigi donation.

5277
02:58:40,300 --> 02:58:40,680
Here it comes.

5278
02:58:43,020 --> 02:58:45,790
I'll just have a nap.

5279
02:58:45,790 --> 02:58:48,250
Birth and Sky Camp in Knoxville, Tennessee, six

5280
02:58:48,250 --> 02:58:49,750
oh nine.

5281
02:58:51,650 --> 02:58:53,910
By the way, the little note here says

5282
02:58:53,910 --> 02:58:57,010
Pelosi putting a hit on on Paul real

5283
02:58:57,010 --> 02:58:59,370
time media deconstruction of the day.

5284
02:59:00,950 --> 02:59:04,690
Grayson Insurance in Aurora, California, six oh six.

5285
02:59:05,270 --> 02:59:08,830
Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona, six oh six.

5286
02:59:08,930 --> 02:59:12,650
Dame Tracy and Sir Cain break in St.

5287
02:59:12,770 --> 02:59:14,010
George, Louisiana.

5288
02:59:14,010 --> 02:59:18,650
Fifty five and Tony Funderburk in Missoula, Montana.

5289
02:59:18,890 --> 02:59:19,910
Fifty five.

5290
02:59:20,570 --> 02:59:25,230
Roger Casey Casey, I believe, in Holland, Michigan.

5291
02:59:25,410 --> 02:59:25,770
Fifty two.

5292
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:26,390
Seventy two.

5293
02:59:27,010 --> 02:59:31,050
Brad Bowman in Duluth, Minnesota.

5294
02:59:31,290 --> 02:59:31,730
Fifty two.

5295
02:59:31,850 --> 02:59:32,390
Eighteen.

5296
02:59:33,010 --> 02:59:35,270
Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa.

5297
02:59:35,430 --> 02:59:35,950
Fifty one.

5298
02:59:36,030 --> 02:59:37,410
And now we have $50 donors.

5299
02:59:37,530 --> 02:59:39,990
I just rattled them off name and location,

5300
02:59:40,110 --> 02:59:43,290
starting with Chris Conaker in Anchorage.

5301
02:59:44,050 --> 02:59:47,270
Alaska, Alex Zavala and Kyle, Texas.

5302
02:59:47,510 --> 02:59:49,570
Ray Howard and Kremlin, Colorado.

5303
02:59:49,730 --> 02:59:51,330
Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington.

5304
02:59:51,490 --> 02:59:54,170
Edward Misurich in Memphis, Tennessee.

5305
02:59:55,270 --> 02:59:58,310
Jacob Rotrimel Rotrimel Rotrimel.

5306
02:59:58,390 --> 03:00:01,410
I'm not sure he's in Decatur, Illinois.

5307
03:00:02,070 --> 03:00:05,430
Courtney Burke in Lubbock, Texas.

5308
03:00:05,870 --> 03:00:07,990
Corey Jackson in Watertown, Tennessee.

5309
03:00:08,190 --> 03:00:10,770
Walker Phillips in San Rafael, California.

5310
03:00:11,670 --> 03:00:13,830
Aichi Kitagawa in San Francisco.

5311
03:00:14,070 --> 03:00:16,850
And last on our list is Miami Beach's

5312
03:00:16,850 --> 03:00:18,830
own Jason D'Alusio.

5313
03:00:19,170 --> 03:00:20,410
And I thank these people for making the

5314
03:00:20,410 --> 03:00:21,990
show 1788 a possibility.

5315
03:00:22,170 --> 03:00:24,450
Next show is 1789, which will be Constitution

5316
03:00:24,450 --> 03:00:25,630
Show.

5317
03:00:25,810 --> 03:00:26,290
That's right.

5318
03:00:26,450 --> 03:00:27,870
That's the big writing of the Constitution.

5319
03:00:28,370 --> 03:00:31,670
1789 and also be the 888 more donations

5320
03:00:31,670 --> 03:00:33,210
for John and Mimi's anniversary.

5321
03:00:33,330 --> 03:00:34,190
I want to thank you for that.

5322
03:00:34,370 --> 03:00:37,670
And thank you all to all producers of

5323
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:38,210
today's show.

5324
03:00:38,310 --> 03:00:39,870
Fifty dollars under that.

5325
03:00:39,870 --> 03:00:41,890
We don't mention them for reasons of anonymity,

5326
03:00:41,970 --> 03:00:43,710
but we see you and we appreciate you.

5327
03:00:44,190 --> 03:00:45,990
And of course, you can send us any

5328
03:00:45,990 --> 03:00:47,030
amount, any time.

5329
03:00:47,190 --> 03:00:48,610
No agenda donations dot com.

5330
03:00:48,710 --> 03:00:51,630
There's no bonus packs, no plus packets.

5331
03:00:51,730 --> 03:00:53,570
There's no hoops.

5332
03:00:53,730 --> 03:00:55,030
There's no bonus content.

5333
03:00:55,410 --> 03:00:56,230
We give it all to you.

5334
03:00:56,290 --> 03:00:57,430
All we want is if you got any

5335
03:00:57,430 --> 03:00:58,850
value out of it, send it back to

5336
03:00:58,850 --> 03:00:59,030
us.

5337
03:00:59,250 --> 03:01:00,450
Of course, you can set up a sustaining

5338
03:01:00,450 --> 03:01:03,270
donation, which is any amount, any frequency, no

5339
03:01:03,270 --> 03:01:04,730
agenda donations dot com.

5340
03:01:04,770 --> 03:01:06,470
And again, thanks to our executive and associate

5341
03:01:06,470 --> 03:01:09,710
executive producers for episode one thousand seven hundred

5342
03:01:09,710 --> 03:01:10,550
and eighty eight.

5343
03:01:17,650 --> 03:01:20,370
Well, that last donation or one of the

5344
03:01:20,370 --> 03:01:22,870
last donations is literally the only birthday we

5345
03:01:22,870 --> 03:01:23,410
have today.

5346
03:01:23,570 --> 03:01:26,930
Courtney Thomas, Ian and Samuel all wish Steve

5347
03:01:26,930 --> 03:01:29,690
Kotick a happy 65th birthday.

5348
03:01:29,850 --> 03:01:31,090
He is celebrating tomorrow.

5349
03:01:31,210 --> 03:01:33,470
So we join in by saying happy birthday

5350
03:01:33,470 --> 03:01:35,690
from everybody here at the best podcast in

5351
03:01:35,690 --> 03:01:36,250
the universe.

5352
03:01:38,190 --> 03:01:41,250
To to to to title changes.

5353
03:01:41,550 --> 03:01:43,570
Turn and face the slaves.

5354
03:01:44,150 --> 03:01:44,670
Changes.

5355
03:01:45,710 --> 03:01:47,250
Don't want to be introduced.

5356
03:01:47,410 --> 03:01:49,210
We do have one title change, as you

5357
03:01:49,210 --> 03:01:51,670
heard earlier, Sir Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility

5358
03:01:51,670 --> 03:01:56,510
has upped his appearance with another combined one

5359
03:01:56,510 --> 03:01:58,150
thousand dollars of support to the show.

5360
03:01:58,230 --> 03:01:59,230
We really appreciate it.

5361
03:01:59,310 --> 03:02:01,630
So he will henceforth be known as Sir

5362
03:02:01,630 --> 03:02:05,970
Pursuit of Peace and Tranquility, Tranquility, Tranquility, Tranquility.

5363
03:02:05,970 --> 03:02:08,270
The Duke of the Lands of Red Clay

5364
03:02:08,270 --> 03:02:09,550
and the Cherry Trees.

5365
03:02:09,690 --> 03:02:11,010
Yes, there is a new Duke.

5366
03:02:11,130 --> 03:02:12,170
That is wonderful to see.

5367
03:02:12,410 --> 03:02:13,090
Congratulations, brother.

5368
03:02:13,170 --> 03:02:13,870
Thank you so much.

5369
03:02:14,050 --> 03:02:15,190
Two PhDs today.

5370
03:02:15,610 --> 03:02:16,990
These came in just under the wire.

5371
03:02:17,410 --> 03:02:19,810
Jake Warburton and Chris Mobs, both of you

5372
03:02:19,810 --> 03:02:21,430
go to no agenda rings dot com.

5373
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That is where you will find a special

5374
03:02:23,730 --> 03:02:24,830
tab for your PhD.

5375
03:02:24,970 --> 03:02:26,290
Let us know exactly what you want on

5376
03:02:26,290 --> 03:02:28,470
your beautiful certificate and we'll get that off

5377
03:02:28,470 --> 03:02:29,470
to you as soon as possible.

5378
03:02:29,610 --> 03:02:31,370
So also an address will be helpful.

5379
03:02:31,910 --> 03:02:33,970
We have three nights, including a layaway night.

5380
03:02:34,070 --> 03:02:35,090
Yes, it does work.

5381
03:02:35,090 --> 03:02:37,690
People just donate little bits and pieces.

5382
03:02:37,890 --> 03:02:38,870
You keep your own accounting.

5383
03:02:39,310 --> 03:02:40,910
And before you know it, you get an

5384
03:02:40,910 --> 03:02:43,050
official night ring and nighting and you get

5385
03:02:43,050 --> 03:02:44,310
to join us here at the roundtable.

5386
03:02:45,150 --> 03:02:46,950
And David Cox says, gentlemen, by my account

5387
03:02:46,950 --> 03:02:48,410
of the donation this month takes me to

5388
03:02:48,410 --> 03:02:48,790
knighthood.

5389
03:02:49,010 --> 03:02:50,310
I was hit in the mouth back in

5390
03:02:50,310 --> 03:02:52,650
2020 during the pandemic by Mark Kelly.

5391
03:02:53,090 --> 03:02:55,270
What started out as a bitching session to

5392
03:02:55,270 --> 03:02:57,450
a random guy on the next barstool ended

5393
03:02:57,450 --> 03:02:59,790
up being an intro to the best podcast

5394
03:02:59,790 --> 03:03:00,570
in the universe.

5395
03:03:00,970 --> 03:03:04,390
I've been listening ever since my smoking hot

5396
03:03:04,390 --> 03:03:05,930
wife and I like to spend time, by

5397
03:03:05,930 --> 03:03:06,190
the way.

5398
03:03:06,290 --> 03:03:07,110
Thank you, Mark Kelly.

5399
03:03:07,230 --> 03:03:09,890
Good mouth hit my smoking hot wife.

5400
03:03:09,890 --> 03:03:11,290
And I like to spend time outdoors.

5401
03:03:11,590 --> 03:03:13,750
So make my night name, Sir Dave of

5402
03:03:13,750 --> 03:03:15,770
the half half fast hikers.

5403
03:03:16,010 --> 03:03:18,010
And he would like chicken wings and Irish

5404
03:03:18,010 --> 03:03:19,610
red ale at the roundtable.

5405
03:03:20,230 --> 03:03:21,150
No jingles, no karma.

5406
03:03:21,230 --> 03:03:22,590
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

5407
03:03:22,710 --> 03:03:24,270
And thank you very much, David Cox.

5408
03:03:24,330 --> 03:03:25,930
Get ready as we pull out our blades

5409
03:03:25,930 --> 03:03:26,510
tonight.

5410
03:03:26,750 --> 03:03:28,030
You and the other gentleman.

5411
03:03:28,110 --> 03:03:28,690
There you go.

5412
03:03:33,260 --> 03:03:35,820
Mark Burton, Chris, all of you now official

5413
03:03:35,820 --> 03:03:37,440
night to the roundtable.

5414
03:03:37,440 --> 03:03:39,960
I'm very proud to pronounce the KB as

5415
03:03:39,960 --> 03:03:42,260
Sir Dave of the half fast hikers.

5416
03:03:42,340 --> 03:03:44,720
Sir, less than Jake Knight of the Exmos

5417
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:45,680
and Grouse Creek.

5418
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:48,700
And Sir Chris Mobs for you, gentlemen.

5419
03:03:48,840 --> 03:03:51,280
By request, Utah, dirty soda and elk steak.

5420
03:03:51,380 --> 03:03:53,620
We have chicken wings and Irish red ale,

5421
03:03:53,720 --> 03:03:54,580
but that's not all.

5422
03:03:54,660 --> 03:03:55,900
We've got beer and blunts.

5423
03:03:55,960 --> 03:03:56,640
We've got Ruben S.

5424
03:03:56,700 --> 03:03:58,280
We're going to rose a gazes and sake

5425
03:03:58,280 --> 03:03:59,340
vodka, vanilla bong.

5426
03:03:59,420 --> 03:04:02,240
It's a bourbon sparkling cider and escorts ginger

5427
03:04:02,240 --> 03:04:04,360
ale and gerbils breast milk and pablamo at

5428
03:04:04,360 --> 03:04:04,700
the best.

5429
03:04:04,700 --> 03:04:07,440
And as always at the roundtable, the fan

5430
03:04:07,440 --> 03:04:07,840
favorite.

5431
03:04:08,200 --> 03:04:10,040
We got money and we got me.

5432
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:12,620
The three of you go to no agenda

5433
03:04:12,620 --> 03:04:13,380
rings dot com.

5434
03:04:13,440 --> 03:04:14,780
That's where you'll see anybody can take a

5435
03:04:14,780 --> 03:04:15,120
look at them.

5436
03:04:15,180 --> 03:04:16,360
These very, very handsome.

5437
03:04:16,540 --> 03:04:18,060
No agenda rings for nights and for dames.

5438
03:04:18,580 --> 03:04:20,220
They are signet rings, which means you can

5439
03:04:20,220 --> 03:04:21,420
press them into something.

5440
03:04:21,800 --> 03:04:22,900
Leave a lasting impression.

5441
03:04:23,140 --> 03:04:25,600
Someone's cheek or maybe just the wax that

5442
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:26,500
we send along with it.

5443
03:04:26,500 --> 03:04:28,180
A couple of sticks so you can seal

5444
03:04:28,180 --> 03:04:29,280
your important correspondence.

5445
03:04:29,400 --> 03:04:31,760
And as always, we include a certificate of

5446
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:32,320
authenticity.

5447
03:04:32,320 --> 03:04:34,240
Thank you very much for becoming night to

5448
03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:35,520
the no agenda roundtable.

5449
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:45,240
Well, we all know connection is protection, but

5450
03:04:45,240 --> 03:04:46,900
did you know that you need a community

5451
03:04:46,900 --> 03:04:47,480
of immunity?

5452
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:49,680
Yes, it's a new phrase we're trying to

5453
03:04:49,680 --> 03:04:50,140
hijack.

5454
03:04:50,260 --> 03:04:51,980
So you do that and you get that

5455
03:04:51,980 --> 03:04:54,200
along with really people who will be the

5456
03:04:54,200 --> 03:04:56,480
first responders in any emergency for you at

5457
03:04:56,480 --> 03:04:57,380
a no agenda meetup.

5458
03:04:57,840 --> 03:04:59,700
You can find them at no agenda meetups

5459
03:04:59,700 --> 03:05:00,080
dot com.

5460
03:05:00,120 --> 03:05:01,840
We don't have any meetup reports for this

5461
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:02,120
week.

5462
03:05:02,320 --> 03:05:04,500
As we're kind of winding down some of

5463
03:05:04,500 --> 03:05:06,060
the summer, I expected to pick up a

5464
03:05:06,060 --> 03:05:06,180
bit.

5465
03:05:06,260 --> 03:05:08,220
Well, we do have a beer in the

5466
03:05:08,220 --> 03:05:11,120
sun meetup happening tomorrow at 530.

5467
03:05:11,340 --> 03:05:14,440
That's in Victoria, British Columbia at the Lighthouse

5468
03:05:14,440 --> 03:05:15,120
Brewery.

5469
03:05:15,260 --> 03:05:18,000
And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley Boise meetup

5470
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:19,540
at three o'clock at the Old State

5471
03:05:19,540 --> 03:05:20,880
Saloon in Eagle, Idaho.

5472
03:05:21,260 --> 03:05:23,480
There's quite a number of what are you

5473
03:05:23,480 --> 03:05:23,740
drinking?

5474
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:29,420
I am drinking a Dolby Mountain sparkling water.

5475
03:05:29,420 --> 03:05:30,120
Lovely.

5476
03:05:30,880 --> 03:05:32,080
Sparkling mineral water.

5477
03:05:32,640 --> 03:05:34,420
I'm sure it has natural flavors.

5478
03:05:35,460 --> 03:05:36,000
No flavors.

5479
03:05:36,240 --> 03:05:37,080
It's just plain.

5480
03:05:37,240 --> 03:05:40,540
OK, well, plenty of meetups on the list

5481
03:05:40,540 --> 03:05:42,820
for August all the way into September and

5482
03:05:42,820 --> 03:05:45,080
beyond, including remember, we got a big October

5483
03:05:45,080 --> 03:05:47,260
11th meetup happening in Fredericksburg, Texas.

5484
03:05:47,880 --> 03:05:51,260
Plan accordingly, because hotel rooms are sparse and

5485
03:05:51,260 --> 03:05:52,800
you'll need it.

5486
03:05:52,860 --> 03:05:54,300
Well, you can stay at the full moon

5487
03:05:54,300 --> 03:05:58,120
bed and breakfast at J6 or Jenny's place

5488
03:05:58,120 --> 03:06:00,200
if you get in on time.

5489
03:06:00,520 --> 03:06:02,280
And I'm looking forward to seeing everybody there.

5490
03:06:02,860 --> 03:06:04,100
So go take a look at those.

5491
03:06:04,400 --> 03:06:06,600
Noagentomeetups.com is where you can find a

5492
03:06:06,600 --> 03:06:07,380
meetup near you.

5493
03:06:07,420 --> 03:06:08,640
There's a great calendar system.

5494
03:06:08,760 --> 03:06:10,400
You can submit your own meetups because if

5495
03:06:10,400 --> 03:06:12,480
you can't find one, it's easy to start

5496
03:06:12,480 --> 03:06:12,980
one yourself.

5497
03:06:13,260 --> 03:06:13,740
Go ahead.

5498
03:06:25,860 --> 03:06:28,940
You want to be where everybody feels the

5499
03:06:28,940 --> 03:06:30,320
same.

5500
03:06:31,500 --> 03:06:32,980
It's like a party.

5501
03:06:34,160 --> 03:06:37,160
I'm thinking you misclipped your ISO because it's

5502
03:06:37,160 --> 03:06:38,660
15 seconds long.

5503
03:06:39,460 --> 03:06:40,900
Oh, I must have misclipped it.

5504
03:06:40,980 --> 03:06:42,120
Is it the very end?

5505
03:06:43,040 --> 03:06:44,240
Oh, I don't know.

5506
03:06:44,380 --> 03:06:44,680
I'll see.

5507
03:06:45,020 --> 03:06:45,620
Show is over.

5508
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:46,300
Stay safe.

5509
03:06:46,500 --> 03:06:46,660
Yeah.

5510
03:06:46,900 --> 03:06:47,100
Yeah.

5511
03:06:47,240 --> 03:06:47,580
Let me see.

5512
03:06:47,700 --> 03:06:48,580
What was the whole thing?

5513
03:06:48,600 --> 03:06:49,780
Another winner is in the can.

5514
03:06:50,580 --> 03:06:51,880
Another winner is in the can.

5515
03:06:51,980 --> 03:06:53,560
Oh, this is you doing your A.I.

5516
03:06:53,880 --> 03:06:55,420
Another winner is in the can.

5517
03:06:55,420 --> 03:06:56,160
You tried it.

5518
03:06:56,220 --> 03:06:56,840
Oh, let me try it.

5519
03:06:56,860 --> 03:06:57,680
Let me regenerate.

5520
03:06:57,800 --> 03:06:58,520
Maybe it'll be better.

5521
03:06:58,820 --> 03:07:00,000
Another winner is in the can.

5522
03:07:00,100 --> 03:07:01,020
Oh, no, that's no good.

5523
03:07:01,080 --> 03:07:01,940
Let me try it again.

5524
03:07:02,320 --> 03:07:02,860
Shows is over.

5525
03:07:03,080 --> 03:07:03,820
Shows is over.

5526
03:07:03,880 --> 03:07:04,440
That sucks.

5527
03:07:04,540 --> 03:07:05,520
The AI is getting worse.

5528
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:06,900
Another winner is in the can.

5529
03:07:07,100 --> 03:07:08,300
Oh, bland.

5530
03:07:08,860 --> 03:07:09,360
Dow is over.

5531
03:07:09,480 --> 03:07:09,960
Stay safe.

5532
03:07:10,340 --> 03:07:11,280
Nah, no good.

5533
03:07:11,380 --> 03:07:12,320
I'll try this one.

5534
03:07:12,460 --> 03:07:13,000
Show is over.

5535
03:07:13,220 --> 03:07:13,640
Stay safe.

5536
03:07:13,700 --> 03:07:13,960
Okay.

5537
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:16,480
Wow, that's great, John.

5538
03:07:16,580 --> 03:07:17,220
Good work.

5539
03:07:18,120 --> 03:07:20,420
In fact, my ISO pertains to it.

5540
03:07:20,480 --> 03:07:20,900
Good job.

5541
03:07:21,080 --> 03:07:21,520
Keep it up.

5542
03:07:22,200 --> 03:07:22,720
Good job.

5543
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:23,620
Keep it up.

5544
03:07:23,620 --> 03:07:25,900
Mike, but to stay safe is funnier.

5545
03:07:26,200 --> 03:07:26,640
Good job.

5546
03:07:26,820 --> 03:07:27,200
Keep it up.

5547
03:07:27,200 --> 03:07:28,120
I have more, though.

5548
03:07:28,620 --> 03:07:30,180
So what he just said is totally bogus.

5549
03:07:32,840 --> 03:07:34,360
We have some kid abuse.

5550
03:07:34,440 --> 03:07:35,940
Always like using a kid.

5551
03:07:36,060 --> 03:07:37,340
It's too long, but I did want to

5552
03:07:37,340 --> 03:07:38,340
play this from Gus.

5553
03:07:38,460 --> 03:07:41,580
Please donate to my uncle's podcast because they

5554
03:07:41,580 --> 03:07:44,160
have no money to feed their dogs.

5555
03:07:45,200 --> 03:07:46,700
I just thought it was cute.

5556
03:07:47,240 --> 03:07:48,120
There's this one.

5557
03:07:48,220 --> 03:07:48,920
That is cute.

5558
03:07:49,300 --> 03:07:50,100
Yeah, there's this one.

5559
03:07:50,160 --> 03:07:50,680
Here we go.

5560
03:07:50,680 --> 03:07:52,160
Two windbags, one podcast.

5561
03:07:54,180 --> 03:07:55,760
And Senator Kennedy.

5562
03:07:57,140 --> 03:07:57,660
Pointless.

5563
03:07:57,660 --> 03:07:58,180
Organized.

5564
03:07:58,320 --> 03:07:59,120
Grab ass.

5565
03:08:01,810 --> 03:08:02,330
So.

5566
03:08:03,970 --> 03:08:04,490
Wow.

5567
03:08:04,750 --> 03:08:06,230
I know it's kind of bad.

5568
03:08:06,430 --> 03:08:06,790
You want to.

5569
03:08:07,150 --> 03:08:07,970
Good job.

5570
03:08:08,130 --> 03:08:08,570
Keep it up.

5571
03:08:09,190 --> 03:08:10,070
I like that one.

5572
03:08:10,690 --> 03:08:11,270
But you're okay.

5573
03:08:11,390 --> 03:08:12,170
You can use that.

5574
03:08:12,250 --> 03:08:12,730
That's okay.

5575
03:08:12,970 --> 03:08:13,570
It's acceptable.

5576
03:08:13,830 --> 03:08:14,450
It's acceptable.

5577
03:08:14,690 --> 03:08:15,530
I'm acceptable.

5578
03:08:15,750 --> 03:08:16,370
I love it.

5579
03:08:16,410 --> 03:08:18,370
Hey, everybody, it's time for my tip of

5580
03:08:18,370 --> 03:08:18,710
the day.

5581
03:08:22,250 --> 03:08:26,070
Just a tip with J.C.D. and

5582
03:08:26,070 --> 03:08:27,470
sometimes Adam.

5583
03:08:28,850 --> 03:08:31,450
Okay, I came across what I think is

5584
03:08:31,450 --> 03:08:35,210
absolutely the best tip of the day in

5585
03:08:35,210 --> 03:08:37,770
case of an emergency for when the grid

5586
03:08:37,770 --> 03:08:43,610
goes down, when the EMP hits and you

5587
03:08:43,610 --> 03:08:44,550
can't go anywhere.

5588
03:08:45,150 --> 03:08:50,010
This is a case of 12 MREs.

5589
03:08:50,470 --> 03:08:53,630
These are military, genuine, ready to eat meals.

5590
03:08:54,490 --> 03:08:58,750
And they come with water activated, flameless heating.

5591
03:09:00,010 --> 03:09:03,030
So it is not just some cold slop.

5592
03:09:03,790 --> 03:09:05,970
And you can store them in just regular

5593
03:09:05,970 --> 03:09:06,690
in your home.

5594
03:09:06,810 --> 03:09:08,970
You don't have to refrigerate them or anything.

5595
03:09:09,530 --> 03:09:11,370
This is from King Surplus.

5596
03:09:11,370 --> 03:09:16,370
It is the 7.5 MRE case 12

5597
03:09:16,370 --> 03:09:19,750
pack U.S. military, genuine, ready to eat

5598
03:09:19,750 --> 03:09:20,170
meals.

5599
03:09:20,390 --> 03:09:23,250
You can get variety A or variety B.

5600
03:09:23,670 --> 03:09:24,870
I have tried them myself.

5601
03:09:25,030 --> 03:09:27,150
They are actually delicious.

5602
03:09:29,130 --> 03:09:31,030
What does one of these meals cost?

5603
03:09:31,510 --> 03:09:34,310
Well, it costs you $38.95 for the

5604
03:09:34,310 --> 03:09:36,670
12 pack because they're tasty.

5605
03:09:36,850 --> 03:09:37,750
So it's not cheap.

5606
03:09:39,150 --> 03:09:41,530
But I find them to be okay.

5607
03:09:42,470 --> 03:09:43,750
So you have that for dinner?

5608
03:09:44,030 --> 03:09:44,850
I did.

5609
03:09:44,990 --> 03:09:47,150
I tried that and I tried farmer's dog.

5610
03:09:47,290 --> 03:09:49,410
It was a toss up between the two.

5611
03:09:50,490 --> 03:09:51,210
Farmer's dog.

5612
03:09:51,430 --> 03:09:52,870
Yeah, Phoebe's on farmer's dog.

5613
03:09:52,910 --> 03:09:55,590
I always try what my dog eats, which

5614
03:09:55,590 --> 03:09:57,250
is actually maybe even a better tip of

5615
03:09:57,250 --> 03:09:57,450
the day.

5616
03:09:57,530 --> 03:09:59,150
If you get farmer's dog for your dog,

5617
03:09:59,290 --> 03:10:01,390
you have your MREs ready to go.

5618
03:10:01,530 --> 03:10:02,590
You just have, you know, the dog will

5619
03:10:02,590 --> 03:10:04,670
starve, but okay, at least I won't.

5620
03:10:05,210 --> 03:10:08,670
The beef recipe from farmer's dog is actually

5621
03:10:08,670 --> 03:10:09,370
quite tasty.

5622
03:10:13,620 --> 03:10:13,980
Okay.

5623
03:10:14,680 --> 03:10:16,120
All right, there it is, everybody.

5624
03:10:16,340 --> 03:10:17,840
John's tip of the day brought to you

5625
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:19,440
by Sometimes Adam.

5626
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:31,980
Okay, I admit it's hard to do a

5627
03:10:31,980 --> 03:10:32,540
tip of the day.

5628
03:10:32,880 --> 03:10:34,260
It's not an easy thing to do.

5629
03:10:34,400 --> 03:10:36,320
It's hard to make it entertaining and interesting.

5630
03:10:37,300 --> 03:10:38,220
I'll be the first.

5631
03:10:38,220 --> 03:10:39,860
Do you have an extra one of those

5632
03:10:39,860 --> 03:10:40,560
meals?

5633
03:10:41,840 --> 03:10:43,160
Yeah, I have 11 left.

5634
03:10:43,780 --> 03:10:44,940
Why don't you send one to me?

5635
03:10:44,960 --> 03:10:46,700
I want to see if it's delicious.

5636
03:10:47,120 --> 03:10:50,240
It's, well, after you see it.

5637
03:10:51,040 --> 03:10:52,400
This will be the encouragement.

5638
03:10:52,780 --> 03:10:54,540
I'll send you the hard disk that we

5639
03:10:54,540 --> 03:10:55,840
need for the recent backup.

5640
03:10:56,020 --> 03:10:57,420
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

5641
03:10:57,560 --> 03:10:58,740
And then when you send me the hard

5642
03:10:58,740 --> 03:10:59,480
disk back.

5643
03:11:00,140 --> 03:11:00,540
Okay.

5644
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:01,700
Put the meal in there.

5645
03:11:01,820 --> 03:11:03,140
All right, there you go.

5646
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:04,880
That's incentive for you and for me.

5647
03:11:07,060 --> 03:11:09,000
Yeah, like it's a win win.

5648
03:11:09,160 --> 03:11:10,480
Like it's ever going to happen.

5649
03:11:10,920 --> 03:11:12,600
I have to send you the hard disk.

5650
03:11:12,660 --> 03:11:14,160
I won't get because you already said you

5651
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:14,320
won't.

5652
03:11:14,400 --> 03:11:15,980
You stop giving me free disks.

5653
03:11:16,160 --> 03:11:16,540
That's right.

5654
03:11:16,680 --> 03:11:18,480
Yes, because they're not just disks.

5655
03:11:18,580 --> 03:11:19,640
They're actual drives.

5656
03:11:19,860 --> 03:11:20,440
It's a big deal.

5657
03:11:20,600 --> 03:11:25,600
You're sending 10 terabyte drive with 100 megabytes

5658
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:26,180
of material.

5659
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:29,820
Millennial Media Offensive is next on the Noah

5660
03:11:29,820 --> 03:11:30,400
Jenner stream.

5661
03:11:30,460 --> 03:11:32,140
If you're listening live, we got into show

5662
03:11:32,140 --> 03:11:34,580
mixes from Audio Ghost, Jesse Coy, Nelson and

5663
03:11:34,580 --> 03:11:35,540
Sound Guy, Steve.

5664
03:11:35,880 --> 03:11:36,980
Coming to you from the heart of the

5665
03:11:36,980 --> 03:11:38,360
Texas Hill Country in the morning.

5666
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:39,600
Everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

5667
03:11:41,860 --> 03:11:43,680
North of Silicon Valley, where I remain.

5668
03:11:43,800 --> 03:11:44,280
I'm John C.

5669
03:11:44,360 --> 03:11:44,620
Dvorak.

5670
03:11:44,760 --> 03:11:46,020
We'll see you on Sunday.

5671
03:11:46,200 --> 03:11:49,220
Until then, remember us at NoahJennerDonations.com.

5672
03:11:49,400 --> 03:11:50,380
Adios, mofos.

5673
03:11:50,680 --> 03:11:51,520
Ahoy, ahoy.

5674
03:11:51,920 --> 03:11:52,920
And such.

5675
03:11:56,100 --> 03:11:59,440
You ready for your vaccine?

5676
03:12:00,940 --> 03:12:01,980
Societal responsibility.

5677
03:12:02,700 --> 03:12:06,460
It'd save us all, listen to me.

5678
03:12:06,500 --> 03:12:07,380
It's very frustrating.

5679
03:12:09,140 --> 03:12:11,560
Because I'm a vax man.

5680
03:12:12,260 --> 03:12:15,220
Yeah, I'm a vax man.

5681
03:12:15,780 --> 03:12:17,840
That's really not the right attitude.

5682
03:12:18,700 --> 03:12:22,260
This little job won't hurt at all.

5683
03:12:23,260 --> 03:12:24,740
You can do it quickly.

5684
03:12:26,140 --> 03:12:29,160
Thankful I don't vax you all.

5685
03:12:29,200 --> 03:12:30,260
You can do it in bulk.

5686
03:12:30,260 --> 03:12:32,180
That's the thing I really want to do.

5687
03:12:32,700 --> 03:12:34,620
Because I'm a vax man.

5688
03:12:35,260 --> 03:12:38,080
Yeah, I'm a vax man.

5689
03:12:41,320 --> 03:12:44,820
If you drive your car, I'll vax the

5690
03:12:44,820 --> 03:12:45,140
street.

5691
03:12:45,340 --> 03:12:48,200
If you try to sit, I'll vax your

5692
03:12:48,200 --> 03:12:48,680
seat.

5693
03:12:48,940 --> 03:12:51,920
If you get too tall, I'll vax the

5694
03:12:51,920 --> 03:12:52,240
seat.

5695
03:12:52,420 --> 03:12:55,300
If you take a walk, I'll vax your

5696
03:12:55,300 --> 03:12:56,140
feet.

5697
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,080
I'm a vax man.

5698
03:13:10,920 --> 03:13:14,080
Because I'm a vax man.

5699
03:13:14,720 --> 03:13:17,480
Yeah, I'm a vax man.

5700
03:13:19,740 --> 03:13:21,860
They put together complete nonsense.

5701
03:13:23,080 --> 03:13:25,540
You know, I consider the country as my

5702
03:13:25,540 --> 03:13:25,900
children.

5703
03:13:32,310 --> 03:13:33,970
Vexinate, ain't it great?

5704
03:13:34,250 --> 03:13:36,070
You really shouldn't hesitate.

5705
03:13:36,550 --> 03:13:38,470
You did it once, then do it twice.

5706
03:13:38,730 --> 03:13:40,630
A second time is just as nice.

5707
03:13:40,750 --> 03:13:43,810
Look out, here comes the needle man.

5708
03:13:45,530 --> 03:13:46,310
Is it safe?

5709
03:13:46,650 --> 03:13:49,270
Listen, dude, don't ask questions or you're a

5710
03:13:49,270 --> 03:13:49,670
kook.

5711
03:13:52,190 --> 03:13:54,090
Not according to the submission report.

5712
03:13:54,250 --> 03:13:57,410
Look out, here comes the needle man.

5713
03:13:58,370 --> 03:14:02,410
Dr. Sheree Morris strongly encourages expecting mothers to

5714
03:14:02,410 --> 03:14:03,450
get the flu vaccine.

5715
03:14:04,070 --> 03:14:06,650
The ongoing measles outbreak spread a concern from

5716
03:14:06,650 --> 03:14:07,570
coast to coast.

5717
03:14:08,250 --> 03:14:09,930
Vaxinate, it's really great.

5718
03:14:10,190 --> 03:14:12,130
Are you currently up to date?

5719
03:14:12,490 --> 03:14:15,250
Better check on the spot or you'll get

5720
03:14:15,250 --> 03:14:16,690
by quite a lot.

5721
03:14:16,750 --> 03:14:19,950
Don't worry, we're making lots of money.

5722
03:14:20,290 --> 03:14:23,050
Even if something's a bit funny, you'll need

5723
03:14:23,050 --> 03:14:24,250
to vaxinate.

5724
03:14:24,930 --> 03:14:27,450
If you have to get sick, you can't

5725
03:14:27,450 --> 03:14:28,170
beat the measles.

5726
03:14:28,590 --> 03:14:32,410
Put simply, propaganda is the dissemination of ideas

5727
03:14:32,410 --> 03:14:35,670
intended to convince people to think and act

5728
03:14:35,670 --> 03:14:37,990
in a particular way and for a particular

5729
03:14:37,990 --> 03:14:38,690
purpose.

5730
03:14:39,330 --> 03:14:41,810
News CNN reporting shows there's been a sharp

5731
03:14:41,810 --> 03:14:44,710
decline in vaccination ads on television.

5732
03:14:46,890 --> 03:14:50,270
The COVID-19 vaccines have been proven safe

5733
03:14:50,270 --> 03:14:50,950
and effective.

5734
03:14:51,010 --> 03:14:52,570
There's a lot of misinformation about the COVID

5735
03:14:52,570 --> 03:14:53,310
-19 vaccine.

5736
03:14:53,310 --> 03:14:55,370
So it's critical that you get the facts

5737
03:14:55,370 --> 03:14:56,390
from sources you can trust.

5738
03:14:56,470 --> 03:14:59,130
The fact is the vaccines are safe and

5739
03:14:59,130 --> 03:14:59,550
effective.

5740
03:14:59,710 --> 03:15:01,810
More sickness and death across our nation.

5741
03:15:02,730 --> 03:15:05,530
A campaign of shock and awe has begun.

5742
03:15:05,790 --> 03:15:07,830
It's all of our responsibility to slow the

5743
03:15:07,830 --> 03:15:08,710
spread of the coronavirus.

5744
03:15:09,170 --> 03:15:11,870
People you know and trust are getting vaccinated.

5745
03:15:12,030 --> 03:15:13,770
The most affected are black women.

5746
03:15:16,130 --> 03:15:18,390
Everyone has to keep everyone else safe.

5747
03:15:18,470 --> 03:15:20,630
The vaccines have all been through and met

5748
03:15:20,630 --> 03:15:22,930
the necessary safety and quality standards.

5749
03:15:22,930 --> 03:15:25,070
Now that every American over the age of

5750
03:15:25,070 --> 03:15:27,250
16 is eligible to get the vaccine, I

5751
03:15:27,250 --> 03:15:28,750
want to talk about you getting yours.

5752
03:15:28,910 --> 03:15:31,170
Getting a vaccine can protect not only you

5753
03:15:31,170 --> 03:15:32,270
but your loved ones.

5754
03:15:32,490 --> 03:15:33,490
The vaccine is safe.

5755
03:15:33,690 --> 03:15:33,910
Safe.

5756
03:15:34,190 --> 03:15:36,910
COVID vaccines are safe and effective.

5757
03:15:37,010 --> 03:15:37,710
It's effective.

5758
03:15:37,870 --> 03:15:38,510
It's effective.

5759
03:15:38,630 --> 03:15:39,150
It's easy.

5760
03:15:39,350 --> 03:15:39,970
It's free.

5761
03:15:40,110 --> 03:15:41,470
And it cannot change your DNA.

5762
03:15:41,750 --> 03:15:43,690
The next step on the journey is yours.

5763
03:15:43,950 --> 03:15:45,530
Our health is worth a shot.

5764
03:15:45,650 --> 03:15:48,370
I beg the public to take this virus

5765
03:15:48,370 --> 03:15:49,250
more seriously.

5766
03:15:49,250 --> 03:15:52,770
The ultimate endgame of all this is vaccination.

5767
03:16:05,980 --> 03:16:07,540
Good job.

5768
03:16:07,720 --> 03:16:08,370
Keep it up.

5769
03:16:28,710 --> 03:16:30,230
Hey, the machine's alive.

5770
03:16:32,220 --> 03:16:35,090
The more we hear, the fishier this sounds.