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And right now she's cheap.

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Adam Curry, John C.

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Dvorak.

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It's Sunday, December 7th, 2025.

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This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation media

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assassination episode 1823.

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This is no agenda.

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We got blue checks.

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And we're broadcasting live from the heart of

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the Texas hill country here in FEMA region

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number six in the morning, everybody.

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I'm Adam Curry.

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And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we've been

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determined to be the most affordable podcast in

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the universe.

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I'm John C.

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Dvorak.

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Well, what prestigious award was this?

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We're affordable.

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Because it basically costs you nothing until you

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get value and then you send something.

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Is that why we're affordable?

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Because you feel like it.

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Yeah, well, that's nice.

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They don't feel like it much recently, but

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eventually they'll be back.

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Hey, man, did you see the Kennedy Center

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Honors?

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I only saw Trump giving awards to people.

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Well, I didn't get to see his.

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Did he go?

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Did he do his bit?

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He's going to be the host.

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He's going to be like the host.

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It's like a comedy show where you got

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to host the guy at the beginning telling

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jokes.

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What was nice about it is it was,

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I don't know if people really understand this,

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but it was a huge middle finger to

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establishment entertainment business.

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Because if you ever notice, if you look

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at the Grammys, if you look at the

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Academy Awards, the people who make the movies

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that are loved most by the audience never

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get an award, ever.

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Ever.

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On record.

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No, it happens by accident.

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Well, sometimes by accident, but usually it doesn't

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happen.

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And I have a quick...

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The way they see it is that, look,

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all the money you made is an award

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in itself.

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That's exactly right.

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It's like the inverse of the No Agenda

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show.

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You don't need any more accolades, man.

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So I just want to highlight the three

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awards.

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Here they are in quick succession.

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We have the Disco Queen, and she was

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indeed.

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And nobody did it like Gloria Gaynor.

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Gloria, thank you very much.

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Gay icon, Gloria Gaynor.

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Yes, very good.

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That's a good head of hair.

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So he says to the lady with the

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wig, that's a good head of hair.

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That was pretty funny.

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All right, next.

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A friend of mine, a wonderful person, a

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really spectacular person, one of the true great

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movie stars.

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There aren't many.

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There used to be a lot.

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There aren't many now.

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But he's one of the great legends and

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had some of the greatest movies ever, including

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the top grossing movies ever.

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Sylvester Sly Salone.

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Never received an Academy Award, ever.

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And then the final guy.

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I thought he got it for Best Screenplay.

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What's that?

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I thought he won it for Best Screenplay

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for Rocky.

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I looked it up.

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According to what I could find, it was

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nothing.

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And then, of course, these guys never got

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a Grammy.

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Sure, they deserved it.

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But in my heart, they did.

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And the members of the incredible rock band

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KISS.

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That's good.

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Give those guys an award.

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And you know, they didn't win any Grammys

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because their material was such.

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iconic.

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They had a singular act.

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Nobody really ever copied it.

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I saw a tribute band.

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I actually believe I've seen KISS because I

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was in Seattle once in the square area.

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Well, you either remember it or you don't.

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How could you think you saw KISS?

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tribute band, but it could have been KISS

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because it was exactly the same.

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And I went there with a friend of

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mine, PC Magazine publisher.

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We went in there and all of a

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sudden, we go into this bar in Pioneer

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Square and there's this KISS is playing.

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And we stuck around and watched them.

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They're throwing fire in the air.

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It looked like KISS.

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I believed I might as well have seen

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KISS.

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The tribute band was so good.

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I thought that was fun, you know, for

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people who have huge commercial success or at

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least recognized success.

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I don't think everybody in KISS made all

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the money, to be honest.

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I think Gene Simmons probably has it all.

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Good friend of the present.

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My good friend.

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Long time.

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Long time.

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Be a good friend for a long time.

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Go ahead, trolls.

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Say it.

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He's a Jew.

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Yeah, there you go.

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He's a Jew.

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But the entertainment...

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He is.

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These guys never let up.

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Here is the entertainment news of the week.

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This is only the third largest such deal

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in the history of the entertainment industry.

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However, it is arguably the most influential.

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This deal sets Netflix up to be the

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king of content, old and new.

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Netflix's co-CEO says, our mission has always

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been to entertain the world.

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Together, we can give audiences more of what

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they love and help define the next century

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of storytelling.

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In Canada, this would certainly attract attention from

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the federal regulators.

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Under normal circumstances, a deal this massive invites

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regulatory scrutiny, raises antitrust concerns.

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But analysts say this administration isn't likely to

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stand in the way.

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The Trump administration doesn't seem to be putting

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forth any pushback towards consolidation within the media

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industry.

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Though that green light may come with strings

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attached.

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The quiet part of loud deals like this

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is this is an administration that does not

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like having stories told about it that it

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does not approve.

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Shares of Netflix sold off on the news

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while shares of Warner Brothers jumped.

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Investors aren't sure this will pay off for

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the streaming giant, but consumers will be rewarded

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with more content at a cost.

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I suspect the initial reaction will be to

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increase subscription prices.

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But the diversity of content in the future

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may suffer.

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Smaller scale directors are probably huddling in dark

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rooms having these conversations now about how they

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survive in this scary new world.

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This acquisition is expected to close in 12

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to 18 months.

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Analysts expect more mega deals in the U

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.S. media industry.

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Comcast and Paramount were also bidding on Warner's

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legacy assets.

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Paramount was one of those two interested buyers

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that got rebuffed.

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They're going to lick their wounds and they're

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going to come back and they're going to

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look for something else.

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So the responses to this were kind of

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baffling.

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On the America First MAGA side, let's see,

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we have Laura Loomer.

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I told you this is going to happen.

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This is bad.

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Get ready for the Obama News Network.

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What?

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Somehow, because the Obamas had some deal with

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Netflix, now Obama is going to be running

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the Obama News Network.

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Jack Prosebic.

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Susan Rice is on the board of Netflix.

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This is about the Obamas taking over media.

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Matt Gaetz.

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Trump must stop this.

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Well, I'm surprised.

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I didn't think this was a story because

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I don't believe this merger is ever going

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so.

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And it's an idea is to put Warner

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in a ban so Paramount doesn't grab them

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and they want to keep them that way

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for years.

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So whether this deal is consummated is the

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But the fact that anyone reacted to it,

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they had the same thing at the dinner

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table that came up with this.

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I mean, this is, I don't know what

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the deal is.

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I guess the way I understand it, if

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they got a hold of it, they'd spin

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off CNN anyway.

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Oh, CNN is not part of the deal.

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CNN is not even part of the deal.

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But the thing that gets me is, even

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from an antitrust perspective, streaming is wide open.

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Anybody can create a streaming app.

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Anybody can stream whatever they want to.

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Anybody and everybody is creating content.

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I'll tell you who cares.

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The movie theater owners are finally going to

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realize, oh, that's it.

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Time to pack it in.

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Time to turn it into a roller rink.

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And the actors and other people who get

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residuals, they're the ones that are going to

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be crying about it because that is over

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now.

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I think it's until 2029.

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That's the proposal.

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They'll continue everything.

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residuals count anymore.

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And certainly not for new stuff going forward.

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And what really have they done for us?

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Who really cares?

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TikTok is funnier than most movies.

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Even your TikTok clips.

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Well, you should know since you've been poaching

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them.

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Yeah, please.

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No, it's just, I mean, I don't want

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to see, I don't even see why there

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would be a problem with Netflix acquiring us.

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Who cares?

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Okay, so they got that.

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Well, the element, yeah.

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They got Bugs Bunny.

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They got Batman.

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So they have a great catalog of stuff.

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Stuff I might want to watch.

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I might not.

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I definitely don't see Obama's hook into this

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deal.

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And by the way, these companies have been

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bought and sold by technology companies throughout my

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entire life.

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Well, Warner's been owned by AT&T.

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It's been owned by one company after another.

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We had Sony owning Columbia.

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Sony still owns Columbia.

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AOL owned them for a while if you

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remember those days.

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I think, didn't Coca-Cola own a studio

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at one point?

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Didn't they own MGM at some point?

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I don't remember Coca-Cola.

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I think so.

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Let me see.

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I'm pretty sure.

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It's just like, who cares?

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Gulf and Western, an oil company owned a

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studio.

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Yes, Gulf and Western.

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I've owned them for a long time.

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I think they owned Paramount too, didn't they?

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Gulf and Western.

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Yes, they did.

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It was a G&W company.

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Yeah.

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Let me see if they owned a movie

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studio.

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I'm pretty sure they did.

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Almost like the hotel business.

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Exactly the same.

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You know, what do you want?

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I'll tell you what.

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I'll give you two of my hotels in

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London for one of yours in Dubai.

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Yeah, Coca-Cola.

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Okay, well, you got to sweeten the deal.

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Okay, well, we'll do the signage for free.

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Coca-Cola owned the movie studio Columbia Pictures

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from 82 to 89.

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Acquired it for $750 million in 82.

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Sold it to Sony for $3.4 billion.

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Good job.

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That was good.

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Good deal.

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No one was losing their mind over that.

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Whoa, they won't sell Pepsi in the theaters.

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Whoa, it's horrible.

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No, I don't see any.

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I don't see.

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My other idea was selling to the Japanese.

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I don't see.

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Yes, I don't see any problem with this.

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This is fine.

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This is good.

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And just for whatever reason, we're on the

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show Business News.

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The biggest news out of Europe.

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Who cares about immigration?

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Wait, I'm sorry.

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I know you were building it up, but

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I had to say this.

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Everybody who's bought and sold Warner in particular

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have not done well after they came and

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went.

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And remember Bronfman?

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Seagram's, an alcohol company.

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Like what happened to AOL, for example?

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Well, AOL was tragic.

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They bought Time Warner, got the whole kit

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and caboodle.

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It was tragic.

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And the Bronfman's, I guess the Bronfman's are

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still doing okay.

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Seagram's, they're still around.

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Didn't they buy it?

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Booze.

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Didn't they buy the studio?

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I don't know.

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But now that you bring it up the

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way you do with all this discrepant bunch

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of who knows why they own the studio

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in the first place, I guess they want

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to get laid.

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But they got some executives in love with

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the starlet.

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I mean, it makes no sense to me.

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So that's the only thing I can think

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of.

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You just nailed it.

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That's the entire idea behind it.

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Of course.

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All these ugly billionaires, they don't want to

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get involved in show business.

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We hang out with some beautiful people.

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Yeah, Seagram's bought MCA in 1995 with Universal

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Studios.

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So yeah, that's exactly right.

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I'm surprised you don't know some of these

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people.

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You hang out with these billionaires.

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When I was on the yacht.

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When I was on the yacht sipping a

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mojito.

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All right, here's the big news out of

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Europe.

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At least four countries have announced they are

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pulling out of next year's Eurovision song contest

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after organizers decided to allow Israel to compete.

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The participating broadcasters from the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland

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and Slovenia each withdrew from the song contest

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after the European Broadcasting Union held its twice

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yearly General Assembly.

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The countries called for Israel to be excluded

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over alleged interference in voting and its conduct

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in the war on Gaza.

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Well, what I'm pleased is the membership have

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had a full opportunity to debate it.

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And I can tell you it was a

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full, frank, honest and quite moving debate.

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But as we can see from the emphatic

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result, what they really came together on is

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a belief that Eurovision song contest shouldn't be

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used as a political theater.

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It must retain some sense of neutrality.

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The EBU voted to adopt tougher voting rules

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in response to the allegations that Israel manipulated

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the vote in favor of their contestant.

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The contest of musical acts from dozens of

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countries strives to remain apolitical, but has repeatedly

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been embroiled in world events.

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Russia was expelled in 2022 after its full

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scale invasion of Ukraine.

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Over the past two years, pro-Palestinian protesters

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demonstrated against Israel outside the Eurovision contest venues

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in Switzerland and in Sweden.

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How embarrassing for the Dutch.

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What an embarrassment.

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This is your pathetic virtue signal.

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Goodness gracious.

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I know a lot of people at the

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national song contest level.

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Now, it's just embarrassing.

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We're taking a stand.

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OK, you make music, gay music.

427
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Well, anyway, this does this.

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You had to throw that in.

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00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:12,940
Well, because, well, and the lead into this

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opens up the opportunity for America to create,

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host, and produce the gayest song contest in

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the world competition.

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Everyone will come.

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It'll be great.

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00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,620
I see that as what an opportunity.

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00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:31,120
If the president wasn't the president, he would

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do it.

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00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,900
No, he wouldn't call it World Vision, not

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Eurovision.

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Global Vision.

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The World Vision Song Contest.

442
00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:40,340
Yes, exactly.

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00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:40,960
Yeah.

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00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:41,820
Yeah.

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00:15:43,260 --> 00:15:45,980
Anyway, so everyone's got their panties in a

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00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:46,280
bunch.

447
00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:48,880
They just go over what?

448
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:49,680
Over everything.

449
00:15:50,100 --> 00:15:51,000
Over everything.

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00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:53,580
They got their panties in a bunch over

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a hex, Seth.

452
00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,380
Yeah, exactly.

453
00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,860
Oh, goodness gracious.

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00:15:57,020 --> 00:15:59,520
Oh, because this is this is the attack

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00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,860
vector, as you called it.

456
00:16:01,820 --> 00:16:04,340
Now, you say when the Democrats win the

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00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:06,320
midterm, I have no crystal ball.

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But if they do, this will be the

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impeachment terms.

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00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:13,700
It'll be about killing innocent people clinging to

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00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:14,160
wood.

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00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,980
Well, here's the thing.

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This is interesting.

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Play this BBC set.

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This is a tease from yesterday, the BBC

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World Service.

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Because coming up, we're going to hear from

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a former senior lawyer from the Pentagon on

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the controversial military strikes by the United States

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against alleged narcotics boats from Venezuela.

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If the orders that have been given by

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senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which we believe

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they are, then everyone who executes those orders

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from the admiral down to the person who

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pulls the trigger faces legal liability.

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Is that really true, though?

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I don't know.

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00:17:00,950 --> 00:17:01,650
Is it true or not?

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Do you want to hear the clip where

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this guy is on the BBC making his

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commentary?

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Of course, because this set the tax BBC

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one.

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Pete Hegseth, the American secretary of defense, hit

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back Saturday at critics of the killings in

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the Caribbean of people the Trump.

487
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Ooh, ooh, I like that alliteration.

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Killings in the Caribbean.

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Killings in the Caribbean.

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Hit back Saturday at critics of the killings

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in the Caribbean of people the Trump administration

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says are drug smugglers, which it's linked to

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Venezuela and the government in Caracas.

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At least 83 people have been killed and

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21 have been injured in the last three

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months in U.S. raids and an incident

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on the second.

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00:17:37,810 --> 00:17:38,510
Hold on a second.

499
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I have no knowledge of this.

500
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I thought everybody got got blown to bits.

501
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:45,490
21 have been injured.

502
00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:48,880
I don't know that either.

503
00:17:49,380 --> 00:17:50,740
That's kind of news to me.

504
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,340
I'd like to know more about that.

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00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:53,760
Venezuela and the government in Caracas.

506
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,320
Well, they were injured.

507
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They had to rescue him.

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They're just sitting in the middle of the

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ocean.

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They're not going to last long.

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No, I think they get rescued.

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But I only knew of two.

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00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,440
And now it turns out 21.

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OK, well, there you go.

515
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,580
That's actually strengthening the case here.

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00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:09,420
People have been killed and 21 have been

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injured in the last three months in U

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.S. raids.

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00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,880
In an incident on the 2nd of September,

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two survivors of a U.S. airstrike that

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destroyed a boat said to be carrying narcotics

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was subsequently killed when the admiral in charge,

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Frank Bradley, who leads Special Operations Command, ordered

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a second strike after they were spotted clinging

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onto the wreckage.

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00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:30,580
Speaking at the Reagan National Defense Forum in

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the last couple of hours, Hegseth was defiant,

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saying the U.S. will continue killing those

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he labeled narco-terrorists.

530
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,860
Major General Stephen Lepper served as judge advocate

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general in the U.S. Air Force.

532
00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:43,500
That's the second most senior lawyer in uniform

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at the Pentagon until his retirement.

534
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,320
He's a member of JAGS, a group of

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former military lawyers set up in February in

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response to the firing of other judge advocate

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generals.

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00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaking to me earlier before Mr. Hegseth's appearance

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at the forum, I asked him why the

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00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,360
anti-narcotics operations are so troubling.

541
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Well, I'm very concerned.

542
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,380
My colleagues, first of all, believe that even

543
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the first strikes of these vessels are unlawful

544
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because the legal justification upon which the entire

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00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,420
operation is based, first of all, is still

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secret because the Office of Legal Counsel opinion

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00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:19,580
justifying them has not been released.

548
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,520
But even more importantly, it does not constitute

549
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a non-international armed conflict, which is the

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rationale that the Trump administration has given for

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the strikes in the first place.

552
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,000
OK, this character that this is part of

553
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,380
an overall scheme, the BBC's part of it.

554
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:40,040
Oh, clearly.

555
00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:43,460
And this guy is actually a banker.

556
00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:48,520
Well, that that makes it extra fun.

557
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,420
Of course, he is.

558
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,540
This is all against the North Sea Nexus.

559
00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:54,280
You say, hey, we can't launder any money.

560
00:19:54,340 --> 00:19:55,520
We can't launder any money.

561
00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:57,000
The money's not coming through.

562
00:19:57,060 --> 00:19:57,980
Stop blowing up our boats.

563
00:19:57,980 --> 00:19:59,500
The military bank.

564
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,220
He's also he went he was a JAG

565
00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:04,520
guy in the Air Force for a while.

566
00:20:04,540 --> 00:20:06,260
And then he if you look at his

567
00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:06,940
he's on LinkedIn.

568
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:09,460
So I follow I looked at his education.

569
00:20:09,660 --> 00:20:13,880
He went immediately got certificated, which is the

570
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,160
only way I can pronounce that.

571
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,520
I think it's pronounced certificate.

572
00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:17,280
I think it's right.

573
00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:20,960
He got certificated for this, that all money

574
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,420
management, personal wealth management, banking, banking, banking.

575
00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,160
And now he runs a ransom banks and

576
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,360
he's running a bank now.

577
00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:29,680
And so he's a banker.

578
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,980
So this guy's a banker.

579
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,080
So it makes nothing but sense.

580
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:32,740
Your thesis.

581
00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:33,380
Yes.

582
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,440
It falls into place with this banker.

583
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,600
And here and then we see the confluence

584
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,940
of one scheme and another in clip two

585
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,480
that is just obvious.

586
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,640
And what that means in the law is

587
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,920
that not only should we not be talking

588
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,260
about these things in terms of war crimes,

589
00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:53,500
we should be talking about these things as

590
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:54,320
simple murder.

591
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:55,260
Right.

592
00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:56,940
I mean, that will surprise a lot of

593
00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:58,820
people who might think you can argue over

594
00:20:58,820 --> 00:20:59,980
over the definitions.

595
00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:02,660
The military kill people who they regard as

596
00:21:02,660 --> 00:21:05,700
enemies and therefore the standard would be war

597
00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:05,900
crimes.

598
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,620
But you think actually it's a civilian one.

599
00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:08,680
I do.

600
00:21:08,980 --> 00:21:11,760
I mean, narco trafficking has traditionally by all

601
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,740
the nations in the world been considered a

602
00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:14,840
law enforcement issue.

603
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:18,320
These are criminals who are bringing drugs to

604
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:18,820
our shores.

605
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,740
They are civilians who are bringing drugs to

606
00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:22,220
our shores.

607
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,920
And one of the ways in which this

608
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,380
administration has tried to sidestep the law, which

609
00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:31,420
basically says you can't kill civilians, is to

610
00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:33,740
suggest that this is somehow an armed conflict.

611
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,080
There are no arms involved in this.

612
00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:39,460
And so the narco trafficker vessels do not

613
00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:44,200
qualify as combatants under the under international law.

614
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,100
Would military commanders who made an order like

615
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:49,280
the one Admiral Bradley said to have made

616
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,840
have some protection if those orders came as

617
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,640
a result of instructions from the leadership in

618
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,260
the Pentagon, in other words, from the secretary

619
00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:57,780
of defense?

620
00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:01,140
Well, no, there is a duty among military

621
00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,980
members, no matter what rank or position you

622
00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:07,540
hold, to disobey unlawful orders.

623
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,220
He's in the pocket.

624
00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:13,180
Nice.

625
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:13,960
Sound familiar?

626
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,480
Yeah, nice.

627
00:22:15,580 --> 00:22:16,320
Very nice.

628
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,060
I told you that that was about these

629
00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:19,780
drug boats.

630
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:22,200
That's the first.

631
00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:23,360
Yeah, yeah, it was.

632
00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:25,460
It was obviously about the drug bus.

633
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,500
But it's all part of a giant scheme

634
00:22:27,500 --> 00:22:29,760
and a set up for the impeachment.

635
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:30,460
Yep.

636
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,920
That will take place in twenty twenty seven.

637
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:34,500
Amen.

638
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,360
We're going to quit if we I can't

639
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:38,400
do another impeachment.

640
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,940
Well, the impeachment.

641
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:42,500
I can't do enough.

642
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,040
I'm sick of these impeachments.

643
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:45,420
I'm quitting.

644
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,120
I quit.

645
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,520
I give up.

646
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280
If you just keep impeaching, I don't understand

647
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,840
what the Republicans put up with it.

648
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,440
OK, let's this is the end of it.

649
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,440
OK, here we go.

650
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,380
And if the orders that have been given

651
00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:05,240
by the senior civilian leadership are unlawful, which

652
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,840
we believe they are, then everyone who executes

653
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,760
those orders from the admiral down to the

654
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,960
person who pulls the trigger faces legal liability.

655
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,200
That's retired U.S. Judge Advocate General Major

656
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,740
General Stephen Lepper.

657
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,280
Yeah.

658
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,500
By the way, this has got zero play.

659
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,940
But what's this guy's name?

660
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,660
Paul Campo.

661
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,580
Paul Campo, who oversaw the FBI's money laundering

662
00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:42,920
operations and resigned in 2016, just got busted

663
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560
for laundering drug money.

664
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,440
It didn't get played.

665
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,220
Cartel money.

666
00:23:49,220 --> 00:23:51,080
I should mention something else to the BBC

667
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,140
report for the before those journalists wannabes out

668
00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:54,420
there.

669
00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:56,280
Where's the balance in this reporting?

670
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,200
You could easily bring somebody in with the

671
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,880
other point of view and have them express

672
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,480
themselves.

673
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,300
No, you have a one sided, lopsided presentation

674
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,900
that only goes in one direction because you're

675
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,580
part of a scheme.

676
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,660
The BBC is just deteriorated to an extreme.

677
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,840
Well, the same can be said for the

678
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,620
United States.

679
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:18,620
M5M.

680
00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:20,300
I do have the morning show.

681
00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:22,200
I think that's all we've been saying for

682
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,820
18 years.

683
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:27,400
The morning shows from this morning, Sunday, are

684
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,220
doing the rounds.

685
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,260
This is what it was all about.

686
00:24:30,380 --> 00:24:31,580
Oh, I got to talk about drug boasts.

687
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,380
Here is George Stephanopoulos with Adam Smith.

688
00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:36,800
I'm pretty sure he's a Democrat.

689
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:37,900
Is he not?

690
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,020
Yeah, he must be a Democrat.

691
00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:42,000
At least the way he talks.

692
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,020
Otherwise, I'd be surprised.

693
00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:43,440
Here he is.

694
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:45,100
We're joined now by Congressman Adam Smith, the

695
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:47,420
top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee.

696
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,220
Congressman, thank you.

697
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,280
Armed Services Committee.

698
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,340
Thank you for joining us this morning.

699
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,580
You've seen these videos.

700
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,400
You were briefed by Admiral Bradley and others.

701
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,000
Can you just describe what you saw and

702
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,620
what you heard?

703
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,420
Well, I think Jim Himes described it really

704
00:25:01,420 --> 00:25:01,780
well.

705
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,980
There were two survivors on an overturned boat.

706
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,380
And Senator Cotton's description of it is simply

707
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:09,160
not accurate.

708
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,540
When they were finally taken out, they were

709
00:25:12,540 --> 00:25:13,980
trying to flip the boat over.

710
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,400
The boat was clearly incapacitated.

711
00:25:16,580 --> 00:25:19,160
A tiny portion of it remained, capsized the

712
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:19,860
bow of the boat.

713
00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:21,780
They had no communications device.

714
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,220
Certainly, they were unarmed.

715
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:26,280
Any claim that the drugs had somehow survived

716
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,340
that attack is hard to really square with

717
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:30,160
what we saw.

718
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,820
So it was deeply disturbing.

719
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:34,500
It did not appear that these two survivors

720
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,880
were in any position to continue the fight.

721
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,820
And then you get into the larger issue,

722
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,260
which you previewed of, what is the fight

723
00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:41,900
exactly?

724
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:44,240
They were trying to bring drugs, and not

725
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,100
even to the United States, by the way.

726
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,000
There is no evidence.

727
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,360
I mean, the drugs were going to some

728
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,140
other point where they were going to be

729
00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:51,380
trans-shipped from there.

730
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:54,880
And again, no congressional authorization for this.

731
00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:57,480
If it is a war, then there should

732
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,700
be either congressional authorization or compliance with the

733
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:01,800
War Powers Resolution.

734
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,520
So this seems to go directly against Donald

735
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,640
Trump's pledge to keep us out of wars.

736
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,880
He seems to be dragging us into one

737
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,480
without legal authorization.

738
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,940
So let's hear what Cotton had to say,

739
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,540
who did show up on the morning shows.

740
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:19,400
This is him with Manhans Welker on NBC.

741
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,420
Let me ask you about the aftermath of

742
00:26:22,420 --> 00:26:23,100
that first fight.

743
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,060
The Pentagon's Law of War manual, which you're

744
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:28,320
familiar with, having served in Iraq and Afghanistan,

745
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,620
says, quote, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked

746
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:34,800
would be clearly illegal.

747
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,080
Given that, how was that follow-on strike

748
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,180
of two survivors legal, Senator?

749
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,540
Well, again, Kristen, they were not incapacitated.

750
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200
They were not in the water surviving only

751
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,480
because they had a life jacket or hanging

752
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,460
to a plank of wood.

753
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:53,020
They were sitting on that boat.

754
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,700
They were clearly moving around on it.

755
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,740
That is in contrast, for instance, to another

756
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,680
strike that Secretary Hexeth described just yesterday in

757
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,740
October, in which you had two survivors who

758
00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:03,660
were in that state.

759
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:05,580
They were essentially just dog paddling in the

760
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:05,840
water.

761
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:07,700
And what happened on that strike?

762
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240
A US vessel went and picked those survivors

763
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,780
up and took them back to their home

764
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:12,200
country.

765
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:14,380
That's just an example of how our military

766
00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:16,500
makes these decisions based on the facts and

767
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:20,860
circumstances of each particular case, consistent with laws

768
00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:22,760
and with the directive you just stated.

769
00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:23,780
Wait a minute.

770
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,240
So were they helpless or not?

771
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,280
It looks like everybody watched the video and

772
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,540
walked away with different opinions.

773
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,260
Oh, this is so strange.

774
00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:35,420
Here's Jim.

775
00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:37,400
By the way, just to stop you for

776
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,700
a second, that the mention that you caught

777
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,480
on the BBC where they said they captured

778
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,320
or 21 people survived, meaning those are 21

779
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,340
people that were rescued.

780
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,180
So the modus operandi is not to kill

781
00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:50,740
those.

782
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:51,320
That's right.

783
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:52,040
That survived.

784
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:54,380
And so that I think the fact that

785
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:55,440
they let that slip.

786
00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:56,280
Yeah, it's a mistake.

787
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Was a mistake.

788
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:57,820
Yes.

789
00:27:57,820 --> 00:28:00,760
In there, you know, considering the plan.

790
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,920
The only modus operandi is impeach Trump as

791
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,000
quickly as possible.

792
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:05,620
Democrat.

793
00:28:05,860 --> 00:28:07,000
This is Jim Himes.

794
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,180
House Intelligence Committee.

795
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:09,700
Congressman Jim Himes.

796
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:12,000
He joins us this morning from Connecticut.

797
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:13,260
Welcome back to Face the Nation.

798
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:14,660
Thanks for having me, Margaret.

799
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,760
You are one of the few lawmakers shown

800
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,520
the classified version of this September 2nd video

801
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,060
of the US strikes an alleged drug boat

802
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:24,920
near Venezuela.

803
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,300
Four strikes in total, we've learned.

804
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:30,600
You met with Admiral Bradley, who commands special

805
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,880
operations as well.

806
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:35,660
The president says he's open to this video

807
00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:36,680
being made public.

808
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,600
Do you think it is essential that it

809
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:39,420
become public?

810
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,240
And are you confident it will be?

811
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,040
I think it's really important that this video

812
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,940
be made public.

813
00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:47,660
It's not lost on anyone, of course, that

814
00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:50,380
the interpretation of the video, which, you know,

815
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,840
six or seven of us had an opportunity

816
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,120
to see last week, broke down precisely on

817
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:55,900
party lines.

818
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:58,340
And so this is an instance in which

819
00:28:58,340 --> 00:29:00,300
I think the American public needs to judge

820
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:00,800
for itself.

821
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,400
I know how the public is going to

822
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,040
react because I felt my own reaction.

823
00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:09,400
You know, I've spent years looking at videos

824
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,700
of lethal action taken, often in the terrorism

825
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:14,260
context.

826
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840
And this video was profoundly shaken.

827
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,820
And I think it's important for Americans to

828
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:22,180
see it because, look, there's a certain amount

829
00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:25,560
of sympathy out there for going after drug

830
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:25,980
runners.

831
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,380
But I think it's really important that people

832
00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:30,380
see what it looks like when the full

833
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:32,180
force of the United States military is turned

834
00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:34,800
on two guys who are clinging to a

835
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,240
piece of wood and about to go under,

836
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,620
just so that they have sort of a

837
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:39,100
visceral feel for what it is that we're

838
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:39,400
doing.

839
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,860
He saw a different video clinging to a

840
00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:43,520
piece of wood.

841
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Tom Cotton said they were not clinging to

842
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,720
a piece of wood.

843
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,620
And if we're going to if we're going

844
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:52,240
to broadcast that video, please, please broadcast the

845
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,280
video of the double and triple tap in

846
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,780
Iraq, please.

847
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,100
Yeah, or and he did it in Pakistan,

848
00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:00,160
I think Afghanistan.

849
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:00,900
Yeah.

850
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,020
Nobody brings up what we're going to, of

851
00:30:05,020 --> 00:30:06,500
course, I'm never going to stop doing this

852
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:10,140
because until the media at least comes back

853
00:30:10,140 --> 00:30:13,780
at somebody with the commentary that Obama did,

854
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,120
did this.

855
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,240
He and he blew up.

856
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:18,960
In fact, so did Bush.

857
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,720
In fact, it blew up weddings.

858
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:25,380
They literally blew up weddings, documented blowing up

859
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:26,680
wedding people off.

860
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,880
It was like 100 grand.

861
00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:28,400
Oh, I'm sorry.

862
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,220
We killed one of your wedding, wedding party

863
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:33,140
guests.

864
00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:34,380
He's $100,000.

865
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960
It was then they would do a double

866
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,580
tap when people came to rescue the injured.

867
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,980
They blow them up again.

868
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,700
And this is the real killer.

869
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:47,760
The second double tap that Obama specialized in

870
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,120
and nobody brings it up.

871
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:49,740
Let's be honest.

872
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,400
When it comes to killing people, we are

873
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,780
foam finger number one.

874
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,620
So what's this?

875
00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:59,580
So Obama gets to the top of the

876
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:02,220
list, though, and his kill list, a Tuesday

877
00:31:02,220 --> 00:31:04,120
kill list, whatever it was.

878
00:31:04,220 --> 00:31:06,740
Yeah, the whole thing is ridiculous that they

879
00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:08,860
just, you know, this is just a set

880
00:31:08,860 --> 00:31:11,580
up so they can impeach Trump again.

881
00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:13,540
Well, let's go set the record.

882
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,420
We're number one at impeaching and getting nowhere

883
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:17,100
with it.

884
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,380
Let's go back to Tom Cotton.

885
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,900
I hear you saying they weren't incapacitated and

886
00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:24,660
yet Democratic Congressman Adam Smith of Washington, the

887
00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,640
ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee,

888
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,480
saw this very differently.

889
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,320
You see that even though I'm playing from

890
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,360
three different news networks, it's all the same

891
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:34,640
thing.

892
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,680
Everybody went to say the same thing.

893
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,660
And it's different from the other guy.

894
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,400
It's amazing.

895
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,740
He said, quote, It looks like two classically

896
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:43,820
shipwrecked people.

897
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,620
Other lawmakers who saw the video said the

898
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:48,960
two men appeared to raise their arms potentially

899
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,800
to signal that they were trying to surrender.

900
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,740
Senator, why did Admiral Bradley interpret those actions

901
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:58,360
as anything other than these two men trying

902
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,720
to seek help and survive?

903
00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:01,920
Well, again, they were sitting or standing on

904
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,160
top of a capsized boat.

905
00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:05,200
They weren't floating helplessly in the water.

906
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:07,360
And, Kristen, I don't think it matters all

907
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,700
that much what they were trying to do.

908
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:09,760
It looked at one point like they were

909
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,620
trying to flip the boat back over, presumably

910
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,920
to rescue its cargo and continue their mission.

911
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:14,980
Or to stay afloat, potentially?

912
00:32:14,980 --> 00:32:17,840
Maybe they were signaling to other airplanes or

913
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,020
drug cartel boats.

914
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:20,660
That sounds pretty flimsy.

915
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:25,340
The radios, they were doing flags, semaphore signals

916
00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:28,440
to the other boats, airplanes, satellites.

917
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,400
They're in waters that are just off drug

918
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,120
cartel areas.

919
00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:32,640
At one point, the guy takes off his

920
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:32,960
T-shirt.

921
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Maybe he's trying to get a suntan.

922
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:35,980
It doesn't really matter what they were trying

923
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:36,360
to do.

924
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,020
What matters is they were not in a

925
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:40,580
shipwreck state, distressed, dog paddling in the water

926
00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:41,360
at all.

927
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360
And therefore, that boat, its cargo, and those

928
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,620
drug traffickers remained valid targets.

929
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,700
I think what the Democrats object to here

930
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,260
is not the second strike.

931
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,720
It's the first strike and every other strike.

932
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,620
Now, let's go back to Adam Smith with

933
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:57,320
Stephanopoulos.

934
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,600
What is this really about?

935
00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:00,260
On the release of the video, President Trump

936
00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:01,700
has said he's fine with having a release.

937
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,060
But Secretary Hedges also said yesterday that's still

938
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:04,580
being reviewed.

939
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:07,200
He raised the possibility that they can't release

940
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,940
it because they don't want to compromise sources

941
00:33:08,940 --> 00:33:09,580
and methods.

942
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:12,180
Yeah, that's ridiculous.

943
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:14,340
I mean, how many videos have they released

944
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:14,880
to date?

945
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,900
I'm not sure.

946
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,140
It's like 15 or 20.

947
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,760
They've showed the strike.

948
00:33:19,060 --> 00:33:20,940
It's not very hard to make sure that

949
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:23,160
nothing in that video shows anything.

950
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,480
If they showed us just the portion that

951
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,880
we saw of those two on the boat,

952
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,100
it's no different than any of the dozen

953
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,080
plus videos they've already released.

954
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,560
It seems pretty clear they don't want to

955
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
release this video because they don't want people

956
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,040
to see it because it's very, very difficult

957
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:38,880
to justify.

958
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,140
And again, big issue here is President Trump's

959
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:44,760
dragging us into a foreign conflict when we

960
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,680
have domestic issues that we're supposed to be

961
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,100
paying attention to, that we need to be

962
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:48,880
paying attention to.

963
00:33:49,060 --> 00:33:52,080
It's directly contrary to the campaign that President

964
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,860
Trump ran.

965
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,560
And is this really about drugs?

966
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Or is it about regime change in Venezuela?

967
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,420
Are we about to go to war with

968
00:33:58,420 --> 00:33:58,860
Venezuela?

969
00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:02,000
The president has alluded to that repeatedly over

970
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,880
the course of the last several weeks, couple

971
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,560
of months now.

972
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:06,600
And that, too, I think would be very,

973
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,840
very bad for the national security interests of

974
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,340
our country.

975
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,260
What?

976
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,460
Well, how's it got anything to do with

977
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:14,320
national security?

978
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:18,489
Well, we don't want to be dragged into

979
00:34:18,489 --> 00:34:19,190
war, man.

980
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:20,889
America first.

981
00:34:21,949 --> 00:34:25,130
Well, obviously, Stepanopoulos asked him immediately when he

982
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:26,230
made that statement.

983
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:27,850
What are you talking about?

984
00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:28,389
No.

985
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:29,550
No?

986
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:30,210
No.

987
00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:32,230
No, of course not.

988
00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:33,330
Last clip in the series.

989
00:34:33,469 --> 00:34:35,889
This is back to Manhans Walker with Tom

990
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:36,230
Cotton.

991
00:34:36,590 --> 00:34:38,969
How is a boat that's not heading to

992
00:34:38,969 --> 00:34:41,389
the United States an imminent threat to this

993
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:42,170
country, Senator?

994
00:34:42,429 --> 00:34:44,690
Well, that's one possibility based on the tactics

995
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:46,810
and techniques that we've observed of these drug

996
00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:47,330
cartels.

997
00:34:47,469 --> 00:34:49,270
They send smaller boats to sea and then

998
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:50,690
they link up with a larger boat before

999
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:51,630
they continue their mission.

1000
00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:53,870
I didn't hear that specifically from Admiral Bradley

1001
00:34:53,870 --> 00:34:54,750
in my briefing.

1002
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:57,270
But what we know is that these drug

1003
00:34:57,270 --> 00:35:00,710
cartels, which are designated foreign terrorist organizations, are

1004
00:35:00,710 --> 00:35:02,470
trafficking drugs to our shores.

1005
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:04,630
And when we have an opportunity to strike

1006
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:07,190
one of these boats where the intelligence gives

1007
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:09,490
us high confidence that everyone on the boat

1008
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:12,550
is a valid target because they are associated

1009
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:14,670
with these cartels, then I think we need

1010
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:15,230
to strike it.

1011
00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:16,930
But there's other cases when we don't have

1012
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,390
that high confidence, when there might be, for

1013
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:20,370
instance, young girls that are being human trafficked.

1014
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:22,650
And obviously, our military wouldn't take that strike.

1015
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:24,510
I think it's much more likely that we're

1016
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:27,070
missing some opportunities to strike these boats and

1017
00:35:27,070 --> 00:35:29,410
protect Americans because we don't.

1018
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:33,790
We're missing an opportunity to blow up some

1019
00:35:33,790 --> 00:35:34,290
chicks.

1020
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:39,330
Crap, man, we missed it.

1021
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:39,890
We blew it.

1022
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:41,770
Oh, heck, Seth, I can't believe it.

1023
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:43,950
I think it's much more likely that we're

1024
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:46,510
missing some opportunities to strike these boats and

1025
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,270
protect Americans because we don't have the same

1026
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:50,150
high level of confidence.

1027
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:52,970
Senator, is there any hard evidence that shows

1028
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:55,510
that this particular boat was headed to the

1029
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:56,390
United States?

1030
00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:58,550
That didn't come up in my briefing.

1031
00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:02,570
But again, there's very reliable multiple sources of

1032
00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:05,530
intelligence that tells us that this boat had

1033
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:07,750
drugs on it, that everyone on that boat

1034
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:10,810
was associated with these designated foreign terrorist organizations

1035
00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:12,490
that are trying to kill American children.

1036
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:14,970
But are you comfortable having the United States

1037
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:16,590
target a boat?

1038
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:22,450
So she's been co-opted by your nexus

1039
00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:26,930
because she knows somebody told her she listens

1040
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:28,850
to our show, which I don't think so.

1041
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:33,750
She knows that this is all about Europe

1042
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:38,590
and screwing them over by stopping the flow

1043
00:36:38,590 --> 00:36:40,470
of drugs from Venezuela to Europe.

1044
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:43,350
And she's trying to get him to admit

1045
00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:45,210
it or to say something or to hint

1046
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:45,510
at it.

1047
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:48,230
She knows the way she's asking the question.

1048
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:49,190
Are you sure?

1049
00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:52,070
How come the boat was headed east?

1050
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:54,250
Dude, it doesn't sound like it's coming our

1051
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:54,590
way.

1052
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:57,570
And she's acting coy about it.

1053
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:59,990
But in fact, she knows what the deal

1054
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:00,150
is.

1055
00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:01,490
And he does, too.

1056
00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:04,190
But he's not doing a good job answering.

1057
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:05,290
No, he's not.

1058
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:08,290
Well, he's not a talented, really that talented.

1059
00:37:08,650 --> 00:37:08,930
No.

1060
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:12,190
No, he will not get a Kennedy honor

1061
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:14,070
for his acting capabilities.

1062
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:14,430
No, definitely not.

1063
00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:17,090
This boat had drugs on it, that everyone

1064
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:19,730
on that boat was associated with these designated

1065
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:21,970
foreign terrorist organizations that are trying to kill

1066
00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:22,690
American children.

1067
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:25,110
But are you comfortable having the United States

1068
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,410
target a boat in which you have not

1069
00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:30,690
seen evidence that it's actually heading to the

1070
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:32,610
United States, that it's an imminent threat?

1071
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:36,930
Any boat loaded with drugs that is crewed

1072
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:41,150
by associates and members of foreign terrorist organizations

1073
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:43,310
that are trying to kill American kids, I

1074
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:44,330
think is a valid target.

1075
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:45,730
I'm not just comfortable with it.

1076
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:46,830
I want to continue it.

1077
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:48,390
Yeah, I want to continue it.

1078
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:48,870
Yes.

1079
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:49,350
Yeah.

1080
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:49,890
Yeah.

1081
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:56,010
Well, this kind of rolls into the National

1082
00:37:56,010 --> 00:38:02,110
Security Strategy document that was released, which I

1083
00:38:02,110 --> 00:38:03,190
had a chance to review.

1084
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:06,290
All 33 pages.

1085
00:38:06,970 --> 00:38:09,270
Ah, of course.

1086
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:14,750
And it's actually, here's a little intro to

1087
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:16,650
it, and then we'll talk about what's in

1088
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:16,750
it.

1089
00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:18,590
And then the responses around the world is

1090
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:19,110
pretty funny.

1091
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:21,250
Shy of a year into his second term,

1092
00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:23,890
President Trump details in this newly released national

1093
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:26,770
security memo how he wants to change America's

1094
00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:30,130
relationships and responsibilities in every region of the

1095
00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:30,450
globe.

1096
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:33,350
The president's top priority is connected to his

1097
00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:35,510
months of strikes on alleged drug boats.

1098
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:37,150
Very soon, we're going to start doing it

1099
00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:37,970
on land, too.

1100
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:40,870
Trump's memo states, after years of neglect, the

1101
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:43,570
United States will reassert and enforce the Monroe

1102
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:46,490
Doctrine to restore American preeminence in the Western

1103
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:47,050
Hemisphere.

1104
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:49,290
If you're focused on America and America first,

1105
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:51,130
you start with your own hemisphere where we

1106
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:51,530
live.

1107
00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:54,390
A big part of this is creating a

1108
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:56,870
larger U.S. military presence in the Western

1109
00:38:56,870 --> 00:39:00,290
Hemisphere, particularly the Navy and Coast Guard, to

1110
00:39:00,290 --> 00:39:02,430
control sea lanes to thwart illegal and other

1111
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:05,430
unwanted migration, to reduce human and drug trafficking,

1112
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:07,850
and to control key transit routes in a

1113
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:08,210
crisis.

1114
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:10,470
Another tactic, tariffs.

1115
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:13,270
The president says he's prioritizing what he calls

1116
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:17,210
commercial diplomacy to boost American commerce while making

1117
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:20,130
it harder for non-hemispheric competitors to increase

1118
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:21,350
their influence in the region.

1119
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:24,090
And the White House says we should make

1120
00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:26,710
every effort to push out foreign companies that

1121
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:28,290
build infrastructure in the region.

1122
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:30,730
The Trump administration says all of this is

1123
00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:33,210
part of their America first strategy, but even

1124
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,650
some of the president's own supporters argue he's

1125
00:39:35,650 --> 00:39:37,770
too focused on foreign affairs.

1126
00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,290
America first should mean America first and only

1127
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:42,730
Americans first.

1128
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:44,770
By the way, this is very interesting what

1129
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:45,210
they did here.

1130
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:48,650
That bit from Marjorie Taylor Greene is from

1131
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:52,810
her resignation video from, what, four weeks ago,

1132
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:53,750
three weeks ago?

1133
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:56,250
So they say this.

1134
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:58,450
This is part of their America first strategy,

1135
00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:00,630
but even some of the president's own supporters

1136
00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:03,570
argue he's too focused on foreign affairs.

1137
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:04,650
America first.

1138
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:07,250
So she's not responding to this document.

1139
00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,410
That's still from three weeks ago.

1140
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:12,090
They make it sound like, oh, some of

1141
00:40:12,090 --> 00:40:14,010
the president's supporters don't like it.

1142
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:15,950
Yeah, this is a good example of this

1143
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:16,550
sort of editing.

1144
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:17,730
Now, this is on what show?

1145
00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:19,810
This is NBC.

1146
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:22,030
NBC morning show?

1147
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:23,310
I don't know what show it was.

1148
00:40:24,830 --> 00:40:25,970
It's just a report.

1149
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,890
It's a classic what's been going on.

1150
00:40:28,990 --> 00:40:30,870
This is like the BBC edit of the

1151
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:31,590
Trump speech.

1152
00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:32,550
Yes.

1153
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:35,170
It takes something discrepant and throw it in.

1154
00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:36,550
It's got the same volume.

1155
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:38,250
You know, it sounds reasonable.

1156
00:40:39,690 --> 00:40:40,650
Makes sense.

1157
00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:42,190
Makes the report sing.

1158
00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:42,710
Yeah.

1159
00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:43,250
The region.

1160
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:45,710
The Trump administration says all of this is

1161
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:48,190
part of their America first strategy, but even

1162
00:40:48,190 --> 00:40:50,610
some of the president's own supporters argue he's

1163
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:52,690
too focused on foreign affairs.

1164
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:55,510
America first should mean America first.

1165
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:57,110
She's not a supporter.

1166
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:58,770
How can you even say that?

1167
00:41:00,730 --> 00:41:02,410
She disavowed the president.

1168
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,770
Well, she does now, but she was a

1169
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:08,170
supporter.

1170
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:09,890
I think that if you're in the editorial

1171
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:12,310
meeting and you got into this discussion because

1172
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:13,730
you'd be the guy there, that would be

1173
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:15,710
this dick that says stuff like that.

1174
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:18,290
And they had her to say, well, yeah,

1175
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:19,050
but basically.

1176
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:19,850
Shut up.

1177
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:24,090
But basically, basically, Curry, get back to the

1178
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:24,430
city.

1179
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:30,430
She was a supporter traditionally, and she represents

1180
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:33,210
supporters in in in essence.

1181
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:36,530
OK, get back to the city desk and

1182
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:37,190
shut up.

1183
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:37,570
I will.

1184
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:38,850
Americans first.

1185
00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:41,630
Where the Trump administration wants America to shoulder

1186
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:45,410
less responsibility is Europe, claiming the continent is

1187
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:47,370
in decline, in part due to migration.

1188
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,530
They also accuse European leaders of having unrealistic

1189
00:41:50,530 --> 00:41:54,070
expectations for peace in Ukraine and argue NATO

1190
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:55,530
should stop expanding.

1191
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:58,150
This memo has much in it that should

1192
00:41:58,150 --> 00:42:00,970
encourage Russia, which also wants to stop NATO

1193
00:42:00,970 --> 00:42:04,650
from expanding and rejects Europe's expectations for the

1194
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:05,590
end of its war.

1195
00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:09,430
Now, unlike national security memos from past administrations,

1196
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:12,810
President Trump says it's in America's core interest

1197
00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:16,130
to reestablish strategic stability with Russia.

1198
00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:20,150
Oh, what a horrible thing.

1199
00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:21,630
My fellow Americans.

1200
00:42:22,050 --> 00:42:22,330
He started.

1201
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:22,930
He's right.

1202
00:42:23,110 --> 00:42:23,890
Yeah, of course he is.

1203
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:26,110
Over the past nine months, we have brought

1204
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:27,790
our nation and the world back from the

1205
00:42:27,790 --> 00:42:29,650
brink of catastrophe and disaster.

1206
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,010
Please, as it says in the hearings in

1207
00:42:33,010 --> 00:42:33,470
the report.

1208
00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:34,570
Yeah, it starts off.

1209
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:36,350
This is that's how it starts.

1210
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:41,010
Yes, this is his letter introducing the strategy

1211
00:42:41,010 --> 00:42:41,510
document.

1212
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:45,830
Uh, no administration in history has achieved so

1213
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:48,970
dramatic a turnaround in so short a time.

1214
00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:49,750
Wow.

1215
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:50,770
Yes.

1216
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:52,610
And then he goes into some wins here.

1217
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:55,230
And then in everything we do, we are

1218
00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:57,310
putting America first.

1219
00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:59,250
Better, better recapture that.

1220
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:01,310
Yeah, he's trying.

1221
00:43:01,470 --> 00:43:02,790
Yeah, he's trying to recapture that.

1222
00:43:03,010 --> 00:43:06,790
So it's actually a pretty interesting document.

1223
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:08,970
It starts with, you know, what is American

1224
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:09,710
strategy?

1225
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:11,950
I've highlighted a few things.

1226
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:16,490
Our elites, our elites badly miscalculated America's willingness

1227
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:18,910
to shoulder forever global burdens to which the

1228
00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:21,410
American people saw no connection to the national

1229
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:21,790
interest.

1230
00:43:22,090 --> 00:43:25,510
They overestimated America's ability to fund simultaneously a

1231
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:29,790
massive welfare regulatory administrative state alongside a massive

1232
00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:33,130
military diplomatic intelligence and foreign aid complex.

1233
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:35,050
I wonder who wrote this.

1234
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:36,050
It's unclear.

1235
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:38,870
I mean, I'm trying to hear you as

1236
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:39,210
you're reading.

1237
00:43:39,350 --> 00:43:42,010
I'm trying to hear a voice, but definitely

1238
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:42,770
not Trump.

1239
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:43,330
Oh, no.

1240
00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:43,950
Oh, no.

1241
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:46,170
The beginning, maybe the first couple of sentences.

1242
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:49,590
There's two pages that opens it up and

1243
00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:50,450
that's signed by him.

1244
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:51,450
That's his introductory.

1245
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:54,070
This is now the strategy document.

1246
00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:59,270
They placed hugely misguided, destructive bets on globalism

1247
00:43:59,270 --> 00:44:01,430
and so-called free trade that hollowed out

1248
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:03,890
the very middle class and industrial base on

1249
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:07,150
which American economic and military preeminence depend.

1250
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:08,650
They allowed allies.

1251
00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:11,450
Yes, this sounds a little like Scott Besant.

1252
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:14,330
Yeah, yeah, that's possible.

1253
00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:16,150
I think he's definitely in the mix.

1254
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:19,530
They allowed allies and partners to offload the

1255
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:21,770
cost of their defense onto the American people

1256
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:25,650
and sometimes to suck us into conflicts and

1257
00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:30,410
controversies central to their interests, but peripheral or

1258
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:31,710
irrelevant to our own.

1259
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:34,450
So, you know, the whole thing is basically

1260
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:39,050
we really don't want any intervention or any

1261
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:41,610
business in these foreign wars.

1262
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:44,230
But that's not how it's being played in

1263
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:44,610
the news.

1264
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:46,990
This is Canada's global news outfit.

1265
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:50,230
They decided to make sure that you understand

1266
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:52,490
that this is all about America killing everybody.

1267
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:54,750
We're going to put Nat Pops throughout the

1268
00:44:54,750 --> 00:44:55,450
whole thing.

1269
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:57,790
Donald Trump made it clear the United States

1270
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:59,430
foreign policy would change.

1271
00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:02,170
On Friday, the White House unveiled its new

1272
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:03,910
national security strategy.

1273
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:08,030
For decades, the U.S. was- Why?

1274
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:11,190
Why do we have this?

1275
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:13,650
It's his strategy.

1276
00:45:15,310 --> 00:45:17,950
Build its new national security strategy.

1277
00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:22,170
For decades, the U.S. was the hub

1278
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:24,630
in the wheel of international security and trade.

1279
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:27,430
The new strategy says the days of the

1280
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:29,830
U.S. propping up the entire world order

1281
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:32,710
like Atlas are over, that the affairs of

1282
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:35,570
other countries are U.S. concerns only if

1283
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:39,490
their activities directly threaten American interests, and the

1284
00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:41,990
U.S. will enforce the Monroe Doctrine to

1285
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:44,590
restore its preeminence in the Western Hemisphere.

1286
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:48,470
A really popular line of argumentation is that

1287
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:50,930
the administration wants to go back to a

1288
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:54,790
more 19th century style of diplomacy with spheres

1289
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:55,610
of influence.

1290
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:59,530
President James Monroe's 1823 policy is receiving an

1291
00:45:59,530 --> 00:46:03,530
update focusing on immigration and alleged narco-terrorism.

1292
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:09,010
French President Emmanuel Macron says unity between the

1293
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:11,550
U.S. and Europe on Ukraine is essential.

1294
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:15,490
A day earlier, a German publication leaked a

1295
00:46:15,490 --> 00:46:18,370
transcript of a call where Macron told Germany's

1296
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:21,090
chancellor the U.S. could betray Ukraine.

1297
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:22,750
Macron denied saying that.

1298
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:25,290
The new U.S. strategy states it wants

1299
00:46:25,290 --> 00:46:27,590
the Ukraine-Russia war to quickly end.

1300
00:46:27,830 --> 00:46:29,790
This document makes it pretty clear that there

1301
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:32,270
will be no security guarantees for Ukraine.

1302
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:35,230
NATO watcher Andreas Kampner says the new strategy

1303
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:36,990
puts allies at risk.

1304
00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:39,590
They're much more likely to get involved in

1305
00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:45,130
conflict because competitive powers are going to take

1306
00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:45,710
advantage.

1307
00:46:46,090 --> 00:46:48,890
It looks like allies will have to adapt,

1308
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:52,190
aware the U.S. focus on security could

1309
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:54,110
invite more instability.

1310
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:56,410
Yeah, war is coming.

1311
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:57,430
Trump's to blame.

1312
00:46:59,450 --> 00:47:02,790
I would like to mention something, just as

1313
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:03,390
an aside.

1314
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:10,050
James Monroe, who made the Monroe Doctrine, was

1315
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:13,550
portrayed by, which is a funny way of

1316
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:15,910
saying it, by Gilbert Stuart.

1317
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,370
And he is an oil painting.

1318
00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:21,730
And it's in, and I saw this painting

1319
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:23,390
at the National Gallery.

1320
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:29,650
And Stuart was able to capture probably, he's,

1321
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:31,210
I don't know, this guy was so talented

1322
00:47:31,210 --> 00:47:31,850
as an artist.

1323
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:36,750
He had a, the ability to, really, you

1324
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:38,590
looked at the person, you swore you were

1325
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:39,490
looking at the guy.

1326
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:40,270
No.

1327
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:44,470
And James Monroe, the picture of James Monroe

1328
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:49,290
by Gilbert Stuart, James Monroe is an obvious

1329
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:52,550
prick, a real asshole.

1330
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:54,090
Just by looking at him.

1331
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:55,010
Yeah.

1332
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:56,730
And it came through the painting.

1333
00:47:56,990 --> 00:48:00,370
It was obvious that Stuart was painting him

1334
00:48:00,370 --> 00:48:01,170
as such.

1335
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:03,870
And when you look at James Monroe, this

1336
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:05,470
guy was a prick.

1337
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:08,410
And it's so, anyone who's ever seen this,

1338
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:10,350
this painting, I would agree with me.

1339
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:11,270
I guarantee it.

1340
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:14,390
We all know those kinds of people.

1341
00:48:15,130 --> 00:48:16,550
You look at him at a party, you

1342
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:17,490
go like, you're a prick.

1343
00:48:17,890 --> 00:48:19,410
You guys are a prick.

1344
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:21,690
And James Monroe had to be a big

1345
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:22,090
prick.

1346
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:23,990
And, you know, he's with the Monroe Doctrine.

1347
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:24,750
I can see it.

1348
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:26,670
What is, if you were to summarize the

1349
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:28,710
Monroe Doctrine, what would you say?

1350
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:33,710
We have preeminence over all the affairs of

1351
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:37,350
the entire hemisphere, the entire Western hemisphere is

1352
00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:38,050
ours.

1353
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:41,090
That's basically it.

1354
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:43,490
That is, that's pretty much in the documents.

1355
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:44,610
It does.

1356
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:47,030
It not, doesn't say it's ours, but it

1357
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:47,330
does.

1358
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:48,670
But what I like about it.

1359
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:49,290
It's ours.

1360
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:52,230
It's ours, at least influentially.

1361
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:55,710
And for all practical purposes, it's ours.

1362
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:58,630
And people can't mess around in this area

1363
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:59,910
without permission.

1364
00:48:59,990 --> 00:49:00,990
Get off my turf.

1365
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:01,810
Exactly.

1366
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:04,910
What I like about this document is, first

1367
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:06,010
of all, it's very readable.

1368
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:07,470
Everybody should grab a copy.

1369
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:09,910
It's on the whitehouse.gov website.

1370
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:11,270
It's very readable.

1371
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:14,570
The second section, what should the United States

1372
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:15,090
want?

1373
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:16,770
What do we want overall?

1374
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:20,350
Well, that's if you were to say, if

1375
00:49:20,350 --> 00:49:21,650
you were to answer that question, what would

1376
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:22,130
you say?

1377
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:24,920
What do you want?

1378
00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:26,260
We want to be left alone.

1379
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,960
That's pretty much what it says.

1380
00:49:28,540 --> 00:49:31,140
First and foremost, we want the continued survival

1381
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:33,120
and safety of the United States as an

1382
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,460
independent sovereign republic whose government secures the God

1383
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:40,040
-given natural rights of its citizens and prioritizes

1384
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,680
their well-being and interests.

1385
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,540
We want to protect this country, its people,

1386
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,720
its territory, its economy, and its way of

1387
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,760
life from military attack and hostile foreign influence,

1388
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:50,240
Britain.

1389
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:54,240
Summarizing, we want full control over our borders.

1390
00:49:54,780 --> 00:49:56,760
We want a resilient national infrastructure that can

1391
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,260
withstand natural disasters, resist and thwart foreign threats.

1392
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,120
We want to recruit, train, equip, and field

1393
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,920
the world's most powerful, lethal, and technologically advanced

1394
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,140
military to protect our interests, deter wars, and

1395
00:50:09,140 --> 00:50:11,580
if necessary, win them quickly and decisively.

1396
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,740
We want the world's most robust, credible, and

1397
00:50:14,740 --> 00:50:18,360
modern nuclear deterrent, plus next-generation missile defenses,

1398
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:24,700
including a golden dome for the American homeland.

1399
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:27,320
And we want the world's strongest, most dynamic,

1400
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,760
most innovative, and most advanced economy.

1401
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:32,020
We want the world's most...

1402
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:33,400
I'm skipping over parts here.

1403
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,880
We want the world's most robust industrial base

1404
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,600
so we can meet peacetime and wartime production

1405
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,300
demands, cultivating American industrial strength, highest priority, and

1406
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:47,660
national economic policy, robust, productive, innovative energy sector.

1407
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,340
We want to remain the world's most scientifically

1408
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:53,420
and technologically advanced and innovative country, protect our

1409
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:55,600
intellectual property from foreign theft.

1410
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,740
We want to maintain our unrivaled soft power.

1411
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:01,400
This is interesting.

1412
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:04,880
Which we exercise positive influence throughout the world

1413
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,200
that furthers our interests.

1414
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,880
We will be unapologetic about our country's past

1415
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,800
and present while respectful of other countries' differing

1416
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,900
religions, cultures, and governing systems.

1417
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,500
It's very clear in this document.

1418
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:20,020
It's like, hey, everybody should just be what

1419
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:20,720
they want to be.

1420
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,300
You do you, and we'll do us.

1421
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,400
And for sure, there's no, we're going to

1422
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,780
go spread democracy.

1423
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,240
There's none of that.

1424
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:30,240
That's got to end.

1425
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:33,880
Finally, we want the restoration and reinvigoration of

1426
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,360
American spiritual and cultural health.

1427
00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:41,280
We want an America that cherishes its past

1428
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,440
glories and its heroes and looks forward to

1429
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,620
a new golden age with a golden dome.

1430
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,160
We want people who are proud, happy, and

1431
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,820
optimistic.

1432
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,620
Well, that's not the troll room.

1433
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:55,460
We want a gainfully employed citizenry with no

1434
00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:57,560
one sitting on the sidelines, but none of

1435
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,340
this can be accomplished without growing numbers of

1436
00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:02,340
strong traditional families that raise healthy children.

1437
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,520
You really can't argue with this document.

1438
00:52:06,460 --> 00:52:08,180
But yes, what do we want from the

1439
00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:08,460
world?

1440
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:10,300
We want to ensure that the Western Hemisphere

1441
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,840
remains reasonably stable and well-governed enough to

1442
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,020
prevent and discourage mass migration to the United

1443
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:16,520
States.

1444
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:20,380
So it's all about the Western Hemisphere.

1445
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,320
I highlighted everything, but we don't need to

1446
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,300
go through all of it.

1447
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:28,820
But it really is production.

1448
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,560
We want a strong middle class.

1449
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:34,040
The soft power comes back, returning economic freedom

1450
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,140
to our citizens by historic tax cuts to

1451
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:40,240
regulatory efforts, making the United States a superior

1452
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,500
place to do business, investing in emerging technologies,

1453
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:45,220
and basic science.

1454
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:45,700
Science.

1455
00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:47,320
Science.

1456
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Let's see.

1457
00:52:49,220 --> 00:52:49,520
Oh, yeah.

1458
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,740
The strategy.

1459
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,280
President Trump's foreign policy is pragmatic without being

1460
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,240
pragmatist.

1461
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Pragmatic without being pragmatist.

1462
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,280
What does that even mean?

1463
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,860
Can you decipher that?

1464
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,140
I know.

1465
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:05,920
Oh, it goes on.

1466
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,980
Realistic without being realist.

1467
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:10,440
Principled without being idealistic.

1468
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:12,780
Muscular without being hawkish.

1469
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:15,260
And restrained without being dovish.

1470
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:17,460
Oh, somebody got cute.

1471
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:19,340
That's a chat GPT.

1472
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:21,740
No, that's not chat GPT.

1473
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:27,340
That's somebody that whoever's the poet or considers

1474
00:53:27,340 --> 00:53:28,600
themselves to be a poet.

1475
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:31,140
And there's one of them in the cabinet.

1476
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:31,840
Who is that?

1477
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,380
I don't know.

1478
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:35,080
But I guarantee there's always one.

1479
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,400
You take 10 people.

1480
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:37,840
One of them is always a poet.

1481
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:38,760
I bet you it's Miller.

1482
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,500
Stephen Miller is probably a closet poet.

1483
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:44,980
Oh, that's, you know, that's a good out

1484
00:53:44,980 --> 00:53:45,580
of the blue.

1485
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,100
Out of the blue guess.

1486
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:48,000
Yeah, not bad.

1487
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:49,580
Stephen Miller with the tick.

1488
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:50,760
Well, here it is.

1489
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,600
This kind of gives it away.

1490
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,720
It is not grounded in traditional political ideology.

1491
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:58,280
It is motivated above all by what works

1492
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,320
for America or in two words, America first.

1493
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:05,780
Do you get it?

1494
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:07,040
We're America first, people.

1495
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:09,440
Tucker, we're America first.

1496
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,480
Candace, we're America first.

1497
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,040
What's the weenie boy's name?

1498
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:15,780
Fuentes.

1499
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:17,800
Fuentes, we're America first.

1500
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:21,140
Fuentes has got the hats.

1501
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,040
He's got the hats.

1502
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,160
Yeah, he's got the hats.

1503
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:26,620
Fairness, pro-American worker.

1504
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:28,700
Era of mass migration is over.

1505
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:30,940
These are just the bullet points.

1506
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:32,820
Protection of core rights and liberties.

1507
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:35,840
Burden sharing and burden shifting.

1508
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,660
This is the NATO stuff.

1509
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,580
President Trump has set a new global standard

1510
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:42,440
with the Hague Commitment, which pledges NATO countries

1511
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:43,700
to spend 5% of GDP.

1512
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:45,200
We already got that.

1513
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:49,680
The model will be targeted partnerships that use

1514
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,400
economic tools to align incentives, share burdens and

1515
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,100
like-minded allies and insist on reforms that

1516
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,780
anchor long-term stability.

1517
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,400
Balanced trade, securing access to critical supply chains.

1518
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Is that in the document?

1519
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,940
It says Raspberry here.

1520
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:11,180
Reviving our defense industrial base.

1521
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,980
Energy dominance.

1522
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:14,660
Western Hemisphere.

1523
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,760
The Trump corollary to the Monroe Doctrine.

1524
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:18,560
Corollary?

1525
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,520
What is corollary?

1526
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:25,000
It means it's a policy that runs parallel.

1527
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,500
They could have said parallel.

1528
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,180
Well, no, it wouldn't work in that sense.

1529
00:55:30,340 --> 00:55:31,440
And it's a nice word.

1530
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,280
We will deny non-hemispheric competitors the ability

1531
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,100
to position forces or other threatening capabilities or

1532
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:43,220
to own or control strategically vital assets in

1533
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:44,240
our hemisphere.

1534
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:45,220
You're right.

1535
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:47,280
Don't mess with the West.

1536
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,860
Our goals for the Western Hemisphere can be

1537
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:52,880
summarized as enlist and expand.

1538
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,400
We will enlist established friends.

1539
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,340
You hear that, Britain?

1540
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:57,220
You could be enlisted.

1541
00:55:57,220 --> 00:56:00,000
Right now you're on the outs in the

1542
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,680
hemisphere to control migration, stop drug flows and

1543
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,160
strengthen stability and security on land and sea.

1544
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,720
Let's see.

1545
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,660
We must reconsider our military presence.

1546
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,220
Yes, a readjustment of our global military presence.

1547
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:18,680
It's all going towards the South China Sea.

1548
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,340
Europe, you can go pound sand if you

1549
00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:22,360
can't figure out Russia.

1550
00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:23,420
We're moving out.

1551
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,340
OK, let's see what else is there.

1552
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,740
It's easier said than done.

1553
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:32,440
Possibly.

1554
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,180
So they definitely want to work with China,

1555
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,660
but it has to be fair, fair and

1556
00:56:40,660 --> 00:56:41,080
balanced.

1557
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:43,740
Let me see.

1558
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:44,800
What else do we have?

1559
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,620
There's a lot of blah, blah, blah in

1560
00:56:46,620 --> 00:56:46,960
here.

1561
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,060
Oh, yeah.

1562
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:52,800
A favorable conventional military balance reminds an essential

1563
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,680
component of strategic competition.

1564
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,760
There is rightly much focus on Taiwan, partly

1565
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,100
because of Taiwan's dominance of semiconductor production, but

1566
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:04,800
mostly, mostly because Taiwan provides direct access to

1567
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,620
the second island chain and splits Northeast and

1568
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:11,140
Southeast Asia into two distinct theaters.

1569
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Finally, someone's just set it straight up.

1570
00:57:14,540 --> 00:57:15,820
That's what it's about.

1571
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:18,680
Given the one third of global shipping passes

1572
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,620
through the South China Sea, this has major

1573
00:57:21,620 --> 00:57:23,400
implications for the U.S. economy.

1574
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:27,440
Hence, a deterring conflict over Taiwan, ideally by

1575
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,880
preserving military overmatch, is priority.

1576
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,660
We will also maintain a longstanding declaratory policy

1577
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:37,680
on Taiwan, meaning the United States does not

1578
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,320
support any unilateral change to the status quo

1579
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,780
in the Taiwan Strait.

1580
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,300
It's never been about Taiwan.

1581
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:44,500
It's about the shipping lanes.

1582
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,360
And that's why we're spending a lot of

1583
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,040
money on ships.

1584
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,700
Big, beautiful ships.

1585
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:50,660
It's the first...

1586
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:52,640
There's a little bit about Taiwan because that

1587
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,280
TMS, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, those guys,

1588
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,580
that's a valuable asset.

1589
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:59,040
Yes.

1590
00:57:59,660 --> 00:58:02,080
But the first island chain, that's really what

1591
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,380
we will harden and strengthen our military presence

1592
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:05,540
in the Western Pacific.

1593
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:09,260
While in our dealings with Taiwan and Australia,

1594
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:12,380
we maintain our determined rhetoric on increased defense

1595
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:14,260
spending, which means we're not giving you anything.

1596
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:15,520
It's just rhetoric.

1597
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:16,760
That's funny.

1598
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,480
Then it goes into Europe.

1599
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,460
Europe, you suck.

1600
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:21,940
Without us, you're lost.

1601
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,040
Stop letting immigrants in.

1602
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,300
Ukraine, horrible idea.

1603
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:30,760
The administration finds itself at odds with European

1604
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,560
officials who hold unrealistic expectations for the war

1605
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,220
perched in unstable minority governments, many of which

1606
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:41,280
trample on basic principles of democracy to oppress

1607
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,040
opposition.

1608
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:43,180
It really is.

1609
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:46,700
If anyone else had written it up, if

1610
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:48,940
Fuentes had written up this document, I'd vote

1611
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:49,880
for him as president.

1612
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,000
It truly is an America first document.

1613
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:53,680
It's good.

1614
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800
And it's a very easy read.

1615
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,500
Let's hear how CBS took this.

1616
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:58,780
Okay.

1617
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,040
The president now says he's concerned about, civilizational

1618
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,180
erasure in Europe.

1619
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,300
I don't think he's concerned.

1620
00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:07,400
He's predicting it in the document.

1621
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:09,600
He's not saying, gee, I'm really worried about

1622
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:09,800
that.

1623
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:11,200
He said, no, if you guys don't shape

1624
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,580
up, you're going to be done in 20

1625
00:59:12,580 --> 00:59:12,940
years.

1626
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:15,540
He made the claim in a document titled,

1627
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,200
National Security Strategy of the United States of

1628
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:18,600
America.

1629
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,860
The president added, should present trends continue, the

1630
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:25,320
continent, meaning Europe, will be unrecognizable in 20

1631
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,000
years or less.

1632
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,360
As such, it is far from obvious whether

1633
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,780
certain European countries will have economies and military

1634
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:34,540
strong enough to remain reliable allies.

1635
00:59:34,820 --> 00:59:36,920
What was the impetus for this?

1636
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,560
And what do we know about what some

1637
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,000
are saying in reaction to this story, including

1638
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,080
maybe what we've heard from our European allies?

1639
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:45,760
Yeah.

1640
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:46,480
Good morning, Vlad.

1641
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:48,560
Well, to start, this is a document that

1642
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,380
the president typically puts out during the first

1643
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:55,880
year of a term outlining the administration's national

1644
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,300
security priorities.

1645
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,940
But if you read the document and you

1646
00:59:59,940 --> 01:00:01,900
just read a portion of it, you might

1647
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:05,220
remember that speech that the president gave back

1648
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:08,000
in September before the UN General Assembly.

1649
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:11,780
It sounds some of the information language in

1650
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,400
this document a lot like that in criticizing

1651
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,700
European countries for migration policies.

1652
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,000
It also accuses the European Union and other

1653
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,780
transnational bodies of undermining political liberty and sovereignty.

1654
01:00:27,460 --> 01:00:29,240
And the document goes on to say that

1655
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,060
the U.S. goal should be to help

1656
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:33,700
Europe correct its current trajectory.

1657
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,560
Now, the BBC reports that European politicians have

1658
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,820
already begun to react to this, with Germany's

1659
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:43,400
foreign minister saying his country does not need

1660
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,920
outside advice.

1661
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,520
OK, so let's listen to the report from

1662
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,200
the European Union reacting to this document.

1663
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:53,340
European leaders are choosing calm over confrontation.

1664
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,060
Even as the U.S. strategy paper delivers

1665
01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:58,020
one of the sharpest critiques of the EU

1666
01:00:58,020 --> 01:01:00,840
in years, most officials seem intent on keeping

1667
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,700
tensions with Washington contained.

1668
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,680
The bloc's top diplomat even downplaying some of

1669
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,240
the criticism.

1670
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:10,260
Europe has been underestimating its own power towards

1671
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:11,360
Russia, for example.

1672
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:13,680
I mean, we should be more self-confident.

1673
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,480
That's that's for sure.

1674
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:17,920
And, you know, this, by the way, was

1675
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,340
the Doha conference, which just popped up out

1676
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:21,820
of the blue.

1677
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:24,500
Guess who was sitting second row in the

1678
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:25,800
Doha conference?

1679
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Who?

1680
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:28,200
Tucker.

1681
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:31,240
Tucker was there?

1682
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:31,560
Yeah.

1683
01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:36,060
The Qatar Doha conference.

1684
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:36,800
Yeah.

1685
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:39,060
Well, you know, there was a big one

1686
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,160
of the right wing talk show radio talk

1687
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,600
show hosts, and I can't remember which one

1688
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,140
it was, was going on and on and

1689
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:47,300
on about how Tucker.

1690
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:47,980
Oh, no, it was.

1691
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,320
I know it was.

1692
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,280
Mark Levin.

1693
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:54,940
It was Mark Levin, ladies and gentlemen.

1694
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:58,020
And he went on and on and on

1695
01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:00,180
and on because they have a feud that

1696
01:02:00,180 --> 01:02:04,360
Tucker was his number one financiers are the

1697
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,180
Qataris.

1698
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:08,840
And the whole Tucker News Network or Tucker

1699
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:14,460
Carlson Network, whatever he calls gold, his network

1700
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:17,620
of is all controlled by the Qataris who

1701
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:18,280
will control.

1702
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,080
And Savage actually, the way he went on

1703
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,720
and on about this was as if he

1704
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,580
was a little jealous at all this money's

1705
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:26,480
flying around from the Qataris.

1706
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,060
Don't throw it at anybody that wants it.

1707
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:29,920
Well, there's him.

1708
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:31,520
He refuses to take it.

1709
01:02:31,540 --> 01:02:33,100
I refuse to take it.

1710
01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:33,940
We'll take it.

1711
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:35,800
Yeah, we'll take it.

1712
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,940
Where's our Qatari money?

1713
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,220
Where's our Doha dough, people?

1714
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,740
Where's our Doha dough?

1715
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,000
Also, the agency's not pointing up recently.

1716
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,560
So just to say, but there's no evidence

1717
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,180
of and he in fact, he says quite

1718
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:55,760
the opposite.

1719
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,660
He says that's ridiculous on his face.

1720
01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:59,760
But I do find it interesting that he

1721
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,680
pops up there.

1722
01:03:01,060 --> 01:03:02,900
Yeah, it's like, yeah, it makes more sense

1723
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:04,560
that he's sponsored by Qatar.

1724
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,560
I think there's the same, you know, the

1725
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,500
Amy Goodman show has got some Eastern, some

1726
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:10,420
Middle East money.

1727
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,600
I think it's Bahrain's.

1728
01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:14,340
I understand.

1729
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:15,100
I can't remember.

1730
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:17,540
But yeah, it makes sense that Qatar would

1731
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:21,180
be bought and paid for Tucker.

1732
01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:22,120
Might be.

1733
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,140
But again, no evidence.

1734
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:25,600
But no evidence.

1735
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:26,600
But there he is.

1736
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,000
I mean, we should be more self-confident.

1737
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:30,820
That's that's for sure.

1738
01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:34,100
And, you know, U.S. is still still

1739
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:35,200
our biggest ally.

1740
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,360
And there I read it as well that

1741
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,020
we are still the biggest ally.

1742
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:43,080
In Germany, the response was slightly firmer.

1743
01:03:43,220 --> 01:03:45,320
The country's foreign minister making it clear he

1744
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,580
didn't need external input on policy.

1745
01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:49,960
Of course, our alliance is based on shared

1746
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:50,400
values.

1747
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,480
But I believe that issues such as freedom

1748
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,620
of expression or the organization of free societies

1749
01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:58,000
here, at least in Germany, do not belong

1750
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:58,900
in this context.

1751
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,520
The people who literally arrest you if you

1752
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,900
say something negative about a politician on your

1753
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:07,780
on on on Facebook.

1754
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:08,860
Oh, yeah.

1755
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:09,300
OK.

1756
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,780
Nor do we believe that anyone needs to

1757
01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:13,580
give us advice on these matters.

1758
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,360
But no prominent leaders have slammed Trump for

1759
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,380
the scathing 30.

1760
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:19,180
They have no one has slammed him.

1761
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:21,340
What kind of reporting is that?

1762
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:24,580
No prominent leaders have slammed him.

1763
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,640
What kind of reporting is that?

1764
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:29,580
That's what I just said.

1765
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:30,640
It's not reporting.

1766
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,300
It's really bizarre to say it that way.

1767
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:35,320
No one has slammed him.

1768
01:04:35,380 --> 01:04:36,420
This is France 24.

1769
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:38,480
Or do we believe that anyone needs to

1770
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,780
give us advice on these matters?

1771
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,600
But no prominent leaders have slammed Trump for

1772
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,980
the scathing 33 page document that accuses European

1773
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:50,140
countries of a so-called civilizational erasure.

1774
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:53,160
Preserving the transatlantic alliance appears to be top

1775
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,180
priority, and most likely fear hitting back won't

1776
01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:57,180
play in their favor.

1777
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:59,660
Analysts say the lack of outcry comes down

1778
01:04:59,660 --> 01:05:01,740
to the fact that these criticisms aren't new.

1779
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Vice President J.D. Vance delivered a blistering

1780
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,540
attack on European governments in Munich earlier this

1781
01:05:07,540 --> 01:05:07,780
year.

1782
01:05:08,180 --> 01:05:11,020
Their impacts will be tested as crucial elections

1783
01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:12,280
loom across the continent.

1784
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,100
So the one thing that you might have

1785
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:16,660
caught in that in that earlier clip is

1786
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:21,860
this leaked phone call between Zelensky and pretty

1787
01:05:21,860 --> 01:05:24,120
much all the big muckety mucks of the

1788
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:24,600
EU.

1789
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:30,460
Queen Ursula, Macron, Ritter was in there.

1790
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,540
Mr. Peepers from Germany.

1791
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,960
All of these people are on the call

1792
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:37,780
with Zelensky.

1793
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:38,000
Merz.

1794
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,420
Yeah, Peepers, Mr. Peepers.

1795
01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:44,460
And I defy anyone, find a report about

1796
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:44,880
this.

1797
01:05:45,860 --> 01:05:49,500
I saw some vloggers and some YouTubers talking

1798
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:50,160
about it.

1799
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,640
But I couldn't, the only, so I went,

1800
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:53,860
you know, what I do is go to

1801
01:05:53,860 --> 01:05:57,100
YouTube and I say leaked phone call and

1802
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:58,720
you get a whole list of which the

1803
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,960
first 15 are AI only with words on

1804
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,480
the screen.

1805
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,740
Stop hitting the drum.

1806
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:07,700
Sorry, I'm just emphasizing your points.

1807
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,480
No, it sounds random.

1808
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,260
If you could, if you could emphasize them.

1809
01:06:11,820 --> 01:06:14,640
Oh, by the way, Tina showed me these

1810
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,420
drumsticks.

1811
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,680
Yeah.

1812
01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:18,740
And it's just drumsticks.

1813
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,200
But the drumsticks that make noise.

1814
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:21,760
Yes.

1815
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:24,080
And you can, you can hit a cymbal

1816
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,040
and in the air it'll hit a cymbal.

1817
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:27,200
I got to get it.

1818
01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:28,500
Oh, you can do it in the air.

1819
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:30,420
Yeah, you don't have to hit anything.

1820
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:32,980
No, you just like, you know, I guess

1821
01:06:32,980 --> 01:06:34,720
it has the position of the hi-hat

1822
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,800
and the snare and then you can go

1823
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,140
over, you can hit the cymbals.

1824
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:39,300
Where's the sound?

1825
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,320
But where's the sound come from?

1826
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:43,640
Oh, USB.

1827
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:44,660
Separate speakers?

1828
01:06:44,860 --> 01:06:45,280
USB.

1829
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,420
You plug, you plug it into something.

1830
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:49,520
Yeah.

1831
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:51,540
Sounds like a perfect pair.

1832
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,560
Me too.

1833
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,340
It's going to be on the show to

1834
01:06:55,340 --> 01:06:56,040
annoy you.

1835
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:57,440
We'll be drumming the whole time.

1836
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:58,460
It'll be a drum battle.

1837
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:59,420
Okay.

1838
01:07:00,020 --> 01:07:01,700
So had you heard about this call that

1839
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:02,100
got leaked?

1840
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:04,900
I sounds like Russia.

1841
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:07,420
Well, yeah, it's total tit for tat.

1842
01:07:07,420 --> 01:07:10,120
Oh, you're going to release this call with,

1843
01:07:10,220 --> 01:07:11,500
what was the one we had recently?

1844
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:14,880
With Witkoff?

1845
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:16,840
Oh, yeah, the Witkoff call.

1846
01:07:16,940 --> 01:07:19,780
Oh, so it might, it might be us.

1847
01:07:21,540 --> 01:07:22,900
Oh, it could be.

1848
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,460
It could, well, it's either us or Russia

1849
01:07:24,460 --> 01:07:25,080
or him.

1850
01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:26,380
I mean, who else does this?

1851
01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:28,100
Well, the reason that I say it's us

1852
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:30,260
is because the networks wouldn't touch it.

1853
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,400
Us as in this was Trump's guys.

1854
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:36,840
No one touched it.

1855
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,240
I couldn't find a single report.

1856
01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:39,800
Times of India.

1857
01:07:40,220 --> 01:07:41,080
That's all I got.

1858
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,820
And I'm pretty sure it's an AI voice

1859
01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:43,160
to boot.

1860
01:07:43,220 --> 01:07:44,480
But at least this is the story.

1861
01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:48,220
French President Emmanuel Macron has reportedly raised alarm

1862
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:51,600
over Ukraine, warning that US President Donald Trump

1863
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,060
might be on the verge of betraying Kiev.

1864
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:56,740
This comes from a leaked transcript of a

1865
01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:59,860
private call between European leaders published by Der

1866
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:00,300
Spiegel.

1867
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,680
The call held on Monday included leaders such

1868
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,660
as Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, Finnish President

1869
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:12,220
Alexander Stubbe, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Ukrainian

1870
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:14,840
President Volodymyr Zelensky, and others.

1871
01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:18,279
They discussed US-led peace negotiations with both

1872
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,420
Kiev and Moscow as tensions remain high in

1873
01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:22,359
the ongoing war.

1874
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,620
According to Der Spiegel, Macron said there was

1875
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:27,640
a real risk that the US could make

1876
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,700
decisions on Ukraine's territory without clear security guarantees,

1877
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:34,240
warning of a great danger for Zelensky.

1878
01:08:34,779 --> 01:08:37,740
Macron's office later clarified that he did not

1879
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:40,279
use the word betray, but the concerns over

1880
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:41,840
Ukraine's security were clear.

1881
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:46,020
German Chancellor Merz also weighed in, reportedly telling

1882
01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,700
the group that Zelensky must be extremely careful

1883
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:49,700
in the coming days.

1884
01:08:50,180 --> 01:08:52,380
He appeared to be referring to US envoys

1885
01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:55,460
Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, who had spent

1886
01:08:55,460 --> 01:08:58,260
five hours in talks with Russian President Vladimir

1887
01:08:58,260 --> 01:08:59,620
Putin the day before.

1888
01:08:59,620 --> 01:09:02,560
The two envoys are scheduled to meet Ukraine's

1889
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,300
lead negotiator Rustam Umarov in Miami on Thursday.

1890
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:10,660
Finland's President Stubbe agreed, saying Ukraine could not

1891
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:13,520
be left alone with these US negotiators, a

1892
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,700
point echoed by NATO Secretary General Rutte, who

1893
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,740
stressed the need to protect Zelensky.

1894
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,399
The call came after the Trump administration circulated

1895
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:25,740
a 28-point peace plan, reportedly drafted with

1896
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:26,819
input from Russia.

1897
01:09:26,819 --> 01:09:29,779
Der Spiegel says the plan was criticized for

1898
01:09:29,779 --> 01:09:33,319
being too favorable to Moscow, prompting updated talks

1899
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,220
in Geneva and a revised 19-point plan.

1900
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,020
Russia has not agreed to this plan and

1901
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:41,620
continues to demand that Ukraine give up large

1902
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:44,720
parts of its eastern territory, limit its military,

1903
01:09:44,979 --> 01:09:46,200
and hold new elections.

1904
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,960
The way I hear this, it's almost like,

1905
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,000
let's say we have a $100 million budget

1906
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,640
movie, and it's not working out.

1907
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,380
Our main guy, our main actor, he's attached

1908
01:10:00,380 --> 01:10:01,260
to the project.

1909
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,020
It's not working out.

1910
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:05,840
He's an alcoholic.

1911
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:07,360
Cokehead.

1912
01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:10,500
And so all of the producers get on

1913
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,280
the phone with him, say, hey, we can't,

1914
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,520
hey, you can't go to that meeting alone.

1915
01:10:16,180 --> 01:10:16,720
You can't go.

1916
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,300
No, we have to have people there.

1917
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,580
This whole thing, it's, they're just dripping in

1918
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:23,040
weakness.

1919
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:26,740
And they just want continued war.

1920
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:31,020
It's unconscionable what these people are doing.

1921
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:32,780
That's why I like the McGregor clips I

1922
01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:34,500
played in the last show, where he said

1923
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:36,960
these guys are through when this war is

1924
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:37,200
over.

1925
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:37,540
Yeah.

1926
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:38,520
Yeah.

1927
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:40,400
They're not popular.

1928
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,100
Germany's going to go AFD eventually.

1929
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:43,820
They have to.

1930
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,840
There's no question about it.

1931
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,560
The British are screwed over.

1932
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,920
They can't say anything on social media without

1933
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,040
getting thrown in jail.

1934
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:55,340
The French are completely out of touch with

1935
01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:56,940
everybody and out of control, and they're a

1936
01:10:56,940 --> 01:10:59,260
bunch of communists, to be honest about it.

1937
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:00,740
At least they have nuclear power.

1938
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:01,500
I'll give them that.

1939
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:02,480
They still have that.

1940
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:03,380
Yeah.

1941
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:04,520
Well, so do the Brits.

1942
01:11:05,980 --> 01:11:09,180
Well, they haven't started up a reactor since

1943
01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:10,360
the 60s, I think.

1944
01:11:10,460 --> 01:11:11,540
Oh, you're talking about power.

1945
01:11:11,540 --> 01:11:12,180
Yeah.

1946
01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:14,120
Oh, no, I'm talking about nuclear power.

1947
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:14,440
Yeah.

1948
01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:15,200
Yeah.

1949
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,280
Power reactors.

1950
01:11:16,420 --> 01:11:16,800
Yeah, they do.

1951
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960
And they haven't freaked out and shut them

1952
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,120
all down like idiots.

1953
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:21,520
Final clip.

1954
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,320
Although they've wanted to, and I think there's

1955
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,580
been discussion about it.

1956
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:25,660
In France, yes.

1957
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:26,520
Yeah.

1958
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:28,700
Final clip in this series.

1959
01:11:28,820 --> 01:11:32,680
This is another salvo.

1960
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:33,980
The message is clear.

1961
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,760
Washington wants Europe to shoulder more of its

1962
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,440
own defense.

1963
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,480
A Reuters report says the Pentagon told European

1964
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:44,380
diplomats that nations have until 2027 to take

1965
01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:46,820
over most of NATO's defense capabilities.

1966
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:50,280
That's everything from intelligence to missiles and troop

1967
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,140
deployments, roles the U.S. has dominated for

1968
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:53,720
decades.

1969
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,220
If they don't, the U.S. could decide

1970
01:11:56,220 --> 01:11:59,580
to stop participating in some NATO defense coordination

1971
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:00,240
mechanisms.

1972
01:12:00,740 --> 01:12:03,480
The Trump administration's pressure on NATO allies is

1973
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:04,180
nothing new.

1974
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:06,980
In March, Trump had already questioned whether he'd

1975
01:12:06,980 --> 01:12:09,220
defend countries that don't spend enough.

1976
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:10,600
Well, I've said that to them.

1977
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,700
I said, if you're not going to pay,

1978
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,540
we're not going to defend.

1979
01:12:12,660 --> 01:12:15,380
I said that seven years ago.

1980
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:18,000
And because of that, they paid hundreds of

1981
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:18,860
billions of dollars.

1982
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:20,600
I said, if you're not going to pay

1983
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,880
your bills, we're not going to defend you.

1984
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:25,480
The Pentagon staff who set the deadline haven't

1985
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:27,160
laid out how the U.S. would measure

1986
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:27,920
Europe's progress.

1987
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:31,780
But European officials say 2027 is unrealistic.

1988
01:12:32,540 --> 01:12:35,420
Even the EU's own 2030 target for military

1989
01:12:35,420 --> 01:12:38,000
self-reliance is seen as ambitious, and many

1990
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,840
key U.S. capabilities can't be replaced quickly.

1991
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,660
Washington's relationship with NATO runs hot and cold.

1992
01:12:45,140 --> 01:12:47,540
Back in June, Trump was applauding European leaders

1993
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:49,820
for backing a plan to raise defense spending

1994
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:51,480
to 5 percent of GDP.

1995
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:53,500
But in the months since, he's shown a

1996
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:55,840
willingness to negotiate with Russia over the war

1997
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,360
in Ukraine.

1998
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,160
And his deputy secretary of state told NATO

1999
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,020
foreign ministers this week it was obvious Europe

2000
01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:05,320
should take primary responsibility for its own security.

2001
01:13:05,740 --> 01:13:06,860
Well, there you go.

2002
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:07,760
Another salvo.

2003
01:13:07,980 --> 01:13:08,220
Careful.

2004
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,020
We're going to pull out again.

2005
01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:19,300
Well, yeah, this is going to be up

2006
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:20,260
to Lockheed Martin.

2007
01:13:22,820 --> 01:13:28,490
Yeah, Lockheed Martin, you know, the money stops

2008
01:13:28,490 --> 01:13:31,290
coming in and they have to rethink.

2009
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:34,730
Lockheed just got their biggest missile defense contract

2010
01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:35,230
ever.

2011
01:13:35,950 --> 01:13:37,250
Yeah, it's good for them.

2012
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:38,650
That's for the Golden Dome.

2013
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:40,990
Yeah, it is.

2014
01:13:41,570 --> 01:13:43,390
I'm sure they can find other ways to

2015
01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:44,030
waste money.

2016
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:45,170
Yeah, yeah.

2017
01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:46,390
All right.

2018
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:49,270
You know, did you know that Liz Trust,

2019
01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:51,510
we had her on the previous episode, do

2020
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:53,530
you know that she has started a podcast?

2021
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:55,090
Oh, God.

2022
01:13:55,630 --> 01:13:56,230
Yeah.

2023
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:57,150
Who hasn't?

2024
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:57,790
Yeah.

2025
01:13:57,790 --> 01:14:01,390
But it's interesting because she is going against

2026
01:14:01,390 --> 01:14:02,090
the nexus.

2027
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:04,630
And I'll have the promo.

2028
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:06,970
She probably should be because she got screwed.

2029
01:14:07,210 --> 01:14:09,210
That's exactly what she says in her promo

2030
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:11,250
for the Liz Trust show.

2031
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:14,330
In 2022, I was deposed from the office

2032
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:15,890
of prime minister of Great Britain.

2033
01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:20,050
I tried to save our country from the

2034
01:14:20,050 --> 01:14:21,510
doom loop it is now in.

2035
01:14:21,670 --> 01:14:23,730
We set out a vision for a low

2036
01:14:23,730 --> 01:14:27,250
tax, high growth economy that would take advantage

2037
01:14:27,250 --> 01:14:28,850
of the freedoms of Brexit.

2038
01:14:29,170 --> 01:14:30,950
I was blamed for a market crisis.

2039
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:32,550
It was not my fault.

2040
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:35,270
The deep state and their allies in the

2041
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:38,190
media and politics tried to destroy me because

2042
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:40,290
I challenged their decades long failure.

2043
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:42,070
Now I'm back.

2044
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:45,490
I will expose the people who brought me

2045
01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:45,770
down.

2046
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:47,870
I will take on the deep state.

2047
01:14:48,610 --> 01:14:50,110
I will tell the truth about what is

2048
01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:52,570
happening in our country and across the West.

2049
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:55,430
Tune in to the Liz Trust show every

2050
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:55,910
Friday.

2051
01:14:56,710 --> 01:14:58,990
Tune in to the counterrevolution.

2052
01:14:59,430 --> 01:15:00,510
The counterrevolution.

2053
01:15:00,870 --> 01:15:01,990
It starts here.

2054
01:15:02,210 --> 01:15:04,170
I'll get a hold of Orlowski and find

2055
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:05,330
out what the deal is here.

2056
01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:05,810
He'll know.

2057
01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:06,410
Yeah.

2058
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:08,190
You keep saying you keep threatening to call

2059
01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:09,430
him, but you can't.

2060
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:10,810
I call him about once a year.

2061
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:11,950
I'll call him.

2062
01:15:12,170 --> 01:15:13,350
This is too good to be.

2063
01:15:13,450 --> 01:15:14,150
This is too good.

2064
01:15:14,150 --> 01:15:15,230
It's going to be great.

2065
01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:16,070
Exactly what's going on.

2066
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:17,710
He was a, I think, I believe he

2067
01:15:17,710 --> 01:15:19,490
was a trust fan.

2068
01:15:19,690 --> 01:15:20,750
A trust fan.

2069
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:25,490
Well, she's welcome into the podverse.

2070
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:28,250
Could be fun.

2071
01:15:28,670 --> 01:15:29,210
She could be fun.

2072
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:31,270
Talking about the podverse, I've got a clip

2073
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:33,710
here that is for you specifically.

2074
01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:34,250
Oh boy.

2075
01:15:34,270 --> 01:15:35,830
It's a little sidestep here.

2076
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:38,110
This is a way for you to save

2077
01:15:38,110 --> 01:15:38,570
face.

2078
01:15:40,210 --> 01:15:41,670
Save face in what way?

2079
01:15:42,230 --> 01:15:44,470
Well, if you play this clip, you'll know

2080
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:46,190
what I'm talking about and you will, and

2081
01:15:46,190 --> 01:15:48,130
you will bring up the point that somebody

2082
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:49,350
keeps making with you.

2083
01:15:49,450 --> 01:15:50,810
And here we go with the clip is

2084
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:52,690
mispronounced from NPR.

2085
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:54,570
Oh, let me guess.

2086
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:56,150
Does this have anything to do with an

2087
01:15:56,150 --> 01:15:57,050
air force base?

2088
01:15:58,030 --> 01:15:59,130
Well, the clip doesn't.

2089
01:15:59,250 --> 01:16:01,990
It's just a basic clip about mispronouncing words.

2090
01:16:02,190 --> 01:16:05,330
Anyone who has been embarrassed about mispronouncing a

2091
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:08,330
word or worse, a name can rest assured

2092
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:09,890
that they're in good company.

2093
01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:13,390
Newscasters, politicians, and other public figures tripped over

2094
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:14,670
plenty of words this year.

2095
01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:17,070
In fact, there's a list thanks to the

2096
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:19,450
language teachers at Babbel and the people at

2097
01:16:19,450 --> 01:16:21,710
the captioning group who add closed captions to

2098
01:16:21,710 --> 01:16:22,110
screens.

2099
01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:24,090
At the top of their list of the

2100
01:16:24,090 --> 01:16:27,230
most mispronounced words is a very common painkiller.

2101
01:16:28,030 --> 01:16:28,590
Acetaminophen.

2102
01:16:28,590 --> 01:16:30,490
Well, let's see how we say that.

2103
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:33,670
Acetaminophen.

2104
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:35,030
Acetaminophen.

2105
01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:38,090
President Trump isn't alone in stumbling over all

2106
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:39,010
those mushy vowels.

2107
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:41,530
Watching us all get tripped up this year

2108
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:45,230
is Esteban Douma, a linguist and cultural expert

2109
01:16:45,230 --> 01:16:45,790
at Babbel.

2110
01:16:46,150 --> 01:16:47,990
And just to note, Babbel is one of

2111
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:48,530
our sponsors.

2112
01:16:49,190 --> 01:16:49,490
Welcome.

2113
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:50,950
And first, I mean, did I get your

2114
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:51,310
name right?

2115
01:16:51,670 --> 01:16:54,350
Well, that sounds like the perfect pronunciation in

2116
01:16:54,350 --> 01:16:56,270
Spanish, but I'll let you know, my last

2117
01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:59,290
name is from Palestine, so it's actually pronounced

2118
01:16:59,290 --> 01:16:59,850
Douma.

2119
01:17:00,070 --> 01:17:01,510
Douma, Esteban Douma.

2120
01:17:02,650 --> 01:17:04,370
Esteban, now it's your turn.

2121
01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:06,530
Why don't you read the list for us?

2122
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:09,290
Well, I will start by telling you I'm

2123
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:12,230
not a native speaker of English myself.

2124
01:17:12,570 --> 01:17:14,190
And so keep that in mind as I

2125
01:17:14,190 --> 01:17:15,010
pronounce these words.

2126
01:17:15,390 --> 01:17:18,710
And the disclaimer from me, Esteban, because English

2127
01:17:18,710 --> 01:17:20,330
is also my second language.

2128
01:17:20,650 --> 01:17:21,970
So we're in the same boat.

2129
01:17:22,190 --> 01:17:24,090
You know the struggle, you know how it

2130
01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:24,450
feels.

2131
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:30,550
So we have Acetaminophen, Alec Murdoch, Denzel Washington,

2132
01:17:31,050 --> 01:17:36,890
Louvre, Monjaro, the Swedish Hollywood actor Alexander Skarsgård,

2133
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:40,170
and of course, Zoran Mamdani.

2134
01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:44,090
And Zoran Mamdani's name tripped people up all

2135
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:45,950
year long as he ran for mayor of

2136
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:46,410
New York City.

2137
01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:48,770
And sometimes he got testy about it.

2138
01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:52,610
The name is Mamdani, M-A-M-D

2139
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:53,470
-A-N-I.

2140
01:17:53,530 --> 01:17:54,770
You should learn how to say it.

2141
01:17:55,010 --> 01:17:56,710
It's hard to imagine, right, that we're going

2142
01:17:56,710 --> 01:17:59,070
to collectively get Mamdani right next year.

2143
01:17:59,170 --> 01:18:02,570
I mean, people still mispronounce Vladimir Putin all

2144
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:03,110
the time.

2145
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:06,010
Putin, Vladimir.

2146
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:07,310
Yes.

2147
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:07,770
Putin.

2148
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:09,090
Putin's my favorite.

2149
01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:10,250
It's my not.

2150
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:12,250
My not.

2151
01:18:12,370 --> 01:18:13,250
I got it, people.

2152
01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:15,590
By the way, I have no qualms.

2153
01:18:15,690 --> 01:18:17,330
I make mistakes all the time.

2154
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:20,570
And then people are like, I can't believe

2155
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,310
that you mispronounced my not.

2156
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:25,330
This is the note you got, yep.

2157
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:27,710
I can hear that voice too.

2158
01:18:28,050 --> 01:18:29,010
Not everybody.

2159
01:18:29,190 --> 01:18:31,050
Some were very kind about it.

2160
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:31,650
No.

2161
01:18:32,210 --> 01:18:32,770
Yes.

2162
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:34,170
I haven't seen any.

2163
01:18:34,330 --> 01:18:36,710
Some were kind about it, but some were

2164
01:18:36,710 --> 01:18:40,050
like, ugh, I'm not donating anymore.

2165
01:18:40,690 --> 01:18:42,850
Because you can't pronounce my not.

2166
01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:46,510
It's all good.

2167
01:18:46,510 --> 01:18:48,790
Yeah, it's my second language.

2168
01:18:49,170 --> 01:18:49,950
What can I tell you?

2169
01:18:51,670 --> 01:18:52,070
Yeah.

2170
01:18:53,970 --> 01:18:54,890
Well, that's pretty good.

2171
01:18:54,970 --> 01:18:56,570
You're pretty good for a second language speaker.

2172
01:18:56,730 --> 01:18:56,890
Yeah.

2173
01:18:57,190 --> 01:18:57,490
All right.

2174
01:18:57,490 --> 01:18:59,170
I'm waiting for you to pick up one

2175
01:18:59,170 --> 01:19:00,150
of your stories here.

2176
01:19:00,250 --> 01:19:02,590
Well, I got the immigration crackdown analysis.

2177
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:04,130
I got the South African shooting.

2178
01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:05,010
I kind of like it.

2179
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:05,750
It's only two clips.

2180
01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:08,270
But I like it because it's thematic.

2181
01:19:08,650 --> 01:19:10,090
There's a big shooting that took place in

2182
01:19:10,090 --> 01:19:10,770
South Africa.

2183
01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:12,970
And the thematic part, I'll give it away

2184
01:19:12,970 --> 01:19:13,470
right away.

2185
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:14,770
I'm not even going to have to make

2186
01:19:14,770 --> 01:19:15,530
anybody guess.

2187
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:19,890
South Africa has the strictest gun control in

2188
01:19:19,890 --> 01:19:20,510
the world.

2189
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:23,750
Police in South Africa are investigating a mass

2190
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:26,370
shooting overnight at a shabine, an illegal bar

2191
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:28,930
in a hostel in Soulsville, a township west

2192
01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:30,370
of the capital, Pretoria.

2193
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:32,470
In all, 25 people were shot.

2194
01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:34,310
The fatalities included children.

2195
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:37,970
The BBC Southern Africa correspondent Shingai Nyoka described

2196
01:19:37,970 --> 01:19:38,850
to me what happened.

2197
01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:43,230
What police say is that unidentified gunmen, three

2198
01:19:43,230 --> 01:19:47,230
of them, stormed into an illegal bar in

2199
01:19:47,230 --> 01:19:50,770
a hostel just west of the capital, Pretoria,

2200
01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:53,270
at about 4.30 a.m. and opened

2201
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:57,310
fire, randomly shooting everybody that was in this

2202
01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:58,090
illegal bar.

2203
01:19:58,670 --> 01:20:00,470
Ten people died on the scene.

2204
01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:03,210
One died in hospital earlier on.

2205
01:20:03,290 --> 01:20:05,930
And we've just been notified that a twelfth

2206
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:06,870
person has died.

2207
01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:09,530
So all in all, a dozen people have

2208
01:20:09,530 --> 01:20:09,970
died.

2209
01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:11,970
Fourteen people were injured.

2210
01:20:12,450 --> 01:20:14,850
But I think the tragedy is that amongst

2211
01:20:14,850 --> 01:20:17,210
the fatalities, there was a three-year-old,

2212
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:19,750
a 12-year-old and a 16-year

2213
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:19,990
-old.

2214
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:22,690
At this point, police say that they don't

2215
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:25,410
know what the motive might have been, and

2216
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:28,350
they haven't identified the gunmen or carried out

2217
01:20:28,350 --> 01:20:28,990
any arrests.

2218
01:20:29,190 --> 01:20:30,710
Do we know anything about the people who

2219
01:20:30,710 --> 01:20:31,650
were living in the hostel?

2220
01:20:32,010 --> 01:20:35,930
No, but these hostels are colonial-era built

2221
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:36,470
structures.

2222
01:20:37,190 --> 01:20:41,430
So they're typically single rooms that are overcrowded,

2223
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:42,290
squalid.

2224
01:20:42,690 --> 01:20:45,070
A lot of people are people that are

2225
01:20:45,070 --> 01:20:46,590
economically disadvantaged.

2226
01:20:47,330 --> 01:20:49,810
It's not clear who exactly they were, whether

2227
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:52,030
they were South Africans or whether they were

2228
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:52,430
foreigners.

2229
01:20:52,690 --> 01:20:56,910
But one eyewitness account said that around about

2230
01:20:56,910 --> 01:20:59,350
4.30 in the morning, they just heard

2231
01:20:59,350 --> 01:21:02,370
a volley of rounds that were fired and

2232
01:21:02,370 --> 01:21:04,530
that the shooting went on for a long

2233
01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:07,250
period of time and that the children had

2234
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:09,930
to scramble under the beds as they waited

2235
01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:11,470
for all of this to end.

2236
01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:14,930
Yeah, sounds pretty bad, actually.

2237
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:18,590
Yeah, it's not covered very much by any

2238
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:19,210
of our media.

2239
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:20,850
Our media doesn't even cover this.

2240
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:24,590
It's noted that the mainstream media here has

2241
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:28,110
not even covered the Somali scandal in Minnesota,

2242
01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:29,850
the billions of dollars being scammed.

2243
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:31,290
Well, that's not true.

2244
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:32,990
I have clips from...

2245
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:34,630
From ABC, NBC or CBS?

2246
01:21:35,150 --> 01:21:35,910
Yes, CBS.

2247
01:21:36,530 --> 01:21:38,170
Well, let's play the second part of this

2248
01:21:38,170 --> 01:21:39,190
clip and you can go to that.

2249
01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:41,610
Yeah, I mean, shocking for people in South

2250
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:45,430
Africa to hear this, although shootings in illegal

2251
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:47,350
bars are not unusual, I gather.

2252
01:21:47,710 --> 01:21:50,290
No, and the police had actually launched a

2253
01:21:50,290 --> 01:21:54,970
crackdown on these shabins between April and September.

2254
01:21:54,970 --> 01:21:57,710
This year, they shut down 12,000 and

2255
01:21:57,710 --> 01:22:01,170
arrested 18,000 people across the country.

2256
01:22:01,730 --> 01:22:03,990
But these are set up to help people

2257
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:05,430
make ends meet.

2258
01:22:05,530 --> 01:22:07,450
And so as soon as they closed, they

2259
01:22:07,450 --> 01:22:08,490
reopened again.

2260
01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:10,550
And this is, as you say, is not

2261
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:11,890
the first shooting.

2262
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:15,750
In 2022, about 16 people were killed in

2263
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:17,870
Soweto in a similar type mass shooting.

2264
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:22,350
Last year, 18 people, including 15 women, were

2265
01:22:22,350 --> 01:22:23,870
shot in the Eastern Cape.

2266
01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:27,170
It's really what a government official in South

2267
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:29,890
Africa has described as part of a broader

2268
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:31,030
crime emergency.

2269
01:22:31,410 --> 01:22:34,110
And a broader crime emergency that involves a

2270
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:35,890
high murder rate in global terms.

2271
01:22:36,430 --> 01:22:36,950
Absolutely.

2272
01:22:37,150 --> 01:22:39,150
South Africa has one of the highest murder

2273
01:22:39,150 --> 01:22:40,270
rates in the world.

2274
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:44,250
On average, 60 people are killed every day.

2275
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:46,590
A lot of them are killed by illegal

2276
01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:48,810
guns, even though South Africa does have very

2277
01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:50,550
strict gun controls.

2278
01:22:50,890 --> 01:22:53,830
It's something that the government has grappled with.

2279
01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:56,510
And as we're witnessing here today, has really

2280
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:58,090
failed to bring under control.

2281
01:22:59,470 --> 01:23:01,190
Well, that was some Africa news.

2282
01:23:01,330 --> 01:23:02,610
We lost half the audience.

2283
01:23:03,670 --> 01:23:05,530
Yeah, well, it was a lot of murder

2284
01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:06,230
and violence.

2285
01:23:06,230 --> 01:23:07,830
I think that would help keep them.

2286
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:08,590
No, no, no.

2287
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:11,170
By the way, I'm copying the troll room

2288
01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:11,790
transcript.

2289
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:13,210
I'm going to make a song out of

2290
01:23:13,210 --> 01:23:13,450
it.

2291
01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:16,850
We need that.

2292
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:18,390
Oh, you're going to use the...

2293
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:19,650
Yeah, the...

2294
01:23:19,650 --> 01:23:21,190
AI to make a song from the transcript

2295
01:23:21,190 --> 01:23:22,050
of the chat room?

2296
01:23:22,170 --> 01:23:25,250
Yeah, it'll be unsuitable for air, but at

2297
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:26,110
least I'll have it.

2298
01:23:26,650 --> 01:23:28,610
Yeah, and it will be suitable for our

2299
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:28,930
air.

2300
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:39,150
Regarding the Minnesota massive, massive fraud, Margaret Brennan

2301
01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:41,590
from CBS this morning in...

2302
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:45,670
Oh, I'm just saying that the news broadcast

2303
01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:46,790
didn't carry it.

2304
01:23:47,410 --> 01:23:49,010
Margaret Brennan doesn't count.

2305
01:23:49,970 --> 01:23:52,890
Well, she brought on Ilhan Omar to just...

2306
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:53,790
Oh, well, good.

2307
01:23:53,850 --> 01:23:55,470
She could be the apologist for the whole

2308
01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:55,790
thing.

2309
01:23:56,530 --> 01:23:57,590
It's pretty interesting.

2310
01:23:57,710 --> 01:24:00,270
And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman

2311
01:24:00,270 --> 01:24:01,170
Ilhan Omar.

2312
01:24:01,630 --> 01:24:02,450
Welcome to the program.

2313
01:24:02,710 --> 01:24:03,190
Thank you, Margaret.

2314
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:05,110
We have a lot to get to with

2315
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:06,130
you, but I want to pick up on

2316
01:24:06,130 --> 01:24:08,530
where the Treasury Secretary just left off.

2317
01:24:08,670 --> 01:24:11,550
He alleged that people who were tied to

2318
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:12,930
you were your campaign.

2319
01:24:12,930 --> 01:24:13,450
Hold on a second.

2320
01:24:13,630 --> 01:24:14,550
I actually have that clip.

2321
01:24:14,630 --> 01:24:20,070
Let's play Besant here talking about the Somalis

2322
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:20,470
here.

2323
01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:22,810
The president told you, though, this week to

2324
01:24:22,810 --> 01:24:25,650
look into Somalis who, quote, ripped off that

2325
01:24:25,650 --> 01:24:27,030
state for billions of dollars.

2326
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:27,530
Ripped them off.

2327
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:28,910
He said they contribute nothing.

2328
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:31,150
What exactly are you investigating?

2329
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:35,070
Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud

2330
01:24:35,070 --> 01:24:38,370
that was discovered by the IRS, for which

2331
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:41,310
I'm the acting commissioner, is discovered by IRS

2332
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:43,350
Criminal Investigations Unit.

2333
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:46,050
This was not an endogenous thing that the

2334
01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:47,150
state of Minnesota does.

2335
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:47,870
Endogenous?

2336
01:24:48,170 --> 01:24:49,310
Did he say endogenous?

2337
01:24:49,950 --> 01:24:51,010
That's what I heard.

2338
01:24:51,730 --> 01:24:53,610
Indigenous, I think, is what he means to

2339
01:24:53,610 --> 01:24:53,830
say.

2340
01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:54,510
But he says...

2341
01:24:54,510 --> 01:24:55,270
Well, I don't know.

2342
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:57,510
Is there a word such as endogenous?

2343
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:58,610
Well, look it up.

2344
01:24:58,870 --> 01:25:00,030
Criminal Investigations Unit.

2345
01:25:00,150 --> 01:25:02,770
This was not an endogenous thing that the

2346
01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:04,790
state of Minnesota decided we had to go

2347
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:06,830
in and clean up the mess for them.

2348
01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:09,050
And this is part of the continued cleanup.

2349
01:25:09,710 --> 01:25:12,730
A lot of money has been transferred from

2350
01:25:12,730 --> 01:25:15,770
the individuals who committed this fraud, including those

2351
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:16,890
who donated to the government.

2352
01:25:17,130 --> 01:25:21,250
Governor donated to Representative Omar and donated to

2353
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:22,390
A.G. Ellison.

2354
01:25:22,850 --> 01:25:25,590
But they've been transferred to something called MBSs.

2355
01:25:27,230 --> 01:25:28,670
And those are...

2356
01:25:28,670 --> 01:25:29,390
Mortgage-backed security?

2357
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:31,450
Sorry?

2358
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:32,790
Transferred to what?

2359
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:37,370
These are money, the bureau services.

2360
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:40,350
And they are wire transfer organizations that are

2361
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:42,310
outside the regulated banking system.

2362
01:25:42,630 --> 01:25:44,790
And that money has gone overseas.

2363
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:49,250
And we are tracking that both to the

2364
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:51,870
Middle East and Somalia to see what the

2365
01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:53,190
uses of that have been.

2366
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:54,090
Okay.

2367
01:25:54,210 --> 01:25:56,270
But you have no evidence of that money

2368
01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:58,850
being used to fuel terrorism at this point,

2369
01:25:58,910 --> 01:26:00,790
which is what some conservative writers are alleging.

2370
01:26:00,970 --> 01:26:02,170
That's why it's an...

2371
01:26:02,170 --> 01:26:04,490
Moving the goalposts, Margaret Brennan.

2372
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:07,170
But it's not going to terrorists, right?

2373
01:26:07,190 --> 01:26:09,410
They stole it from the American taxpayer.

2374
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:11,330
No, but it's not going to terrorists, is

2375
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:11,470
it?

2376
01:26:11,710 --> 01:26:13,650
By the way, I think he said endogenous.

2377
01:26:15,070 --> 01:26:17,970
Endogenous refers to something that originates or is

2378
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:20,670
produced from within a system, organism, or entity,

2379
01:26:20,710 --> 01:26:23,230
rather than being introduced from an external source.

2380
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:25,370
So once again...

2381
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:27,930
Endogenous, which is similar to indigenous.

2382
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:29,390
Yes.

2383
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:31,810
So what's the difference between those two words

2384
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:32,150
then?

2385
01:26:32,170 --> 01:26:38,030
Well, indigenous is a people's and endogenous is

2386
01:26:38,030 --> 01:26:39,170
a thing.

2387
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:39,970
Institutions.

2388
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:40,370
Yeah.

2389
01:26:40,590 --> 01:26:42,690
But you have no evidence of that money.

2390
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:43,590
I've never...

2391
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:44,310
You know what?

2392
01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:46,230
I've never heard that word in my life.

2393
01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:47,390
Scott Besant is a...

2394
01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:48,550
Maybe he's the poet.

2395
01:26:49,670 --> 01:26:50,410
That's what I'm...

2396
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:51,170
Well, maybe.

2397
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:52,090
There you go.

2398
01:26:52,210 --> 01:26:53,310
Yeah, he could be the poet.

2399
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:56,070
Being used to fuel terrorism at this point,

2400
01:26:56,110 --> 01:26:58,030
which is what some conservative writers are alleging.

2401
01:26:58,110 --> 01:26:59,730
That's why it's an investigation.

2402
01:27:00,070 --> 01:27:01,250
We started it last week.

2403
01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:02,510
We'll see where it goes.

2404
01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:05,130
But I can tell you that it's terrible.

2405
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:08,130
You know, Representative Omar tried to downplay it,

2406
01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:14,370
said, oh, it was very tough to know

2407
01:27:14,370 --> 01:27:16,530
how this money should be used.

2408
01:27:16,530 --> 01:27:16,850
Hold on a second.

2409
01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:20,290
Is this guy a nervous wreck over this

2410
01:27:20,290 --> 01:27:21,130
issue or what?

2411
01:27:22,030 --> 01:27:23,890
He does not sound himself.

2412
01:27:25,330 --> 01:27:27,090
Well, whenever he...

2413
01:27:27,090 --> 01:27:29,550
Is he choking because Margaret's a powerful woman?

2414
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:31,770
Yes.

2415
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:33,650
Yes, that's the issue.

2416
01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:36,550
She was gaslighting the American people.

2417
01:27:36,690 --> 01:27:37,550
Well, we'll talk to her.

2418
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:37,930
Yeah.

2419
01:27:38,150 --> 01:27:39,450
You know, when you come to this country,

2420
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:40,850
you got to learn which side of the

2421
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:41,570
road to drive on.

2422
01:27:41,610 --> 01:27:42,750
You got to learn to stop the stop

2423
01:27:42,750 --> 01:27:43,090
signs.

2424
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:45,770
And you got to learn not to defraud

2425
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:46,590
the American people.

2426
01:27:47,470 --> 01:27:48,390
Welcome to America.

2427
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:50,330
Welcome to America.

2428
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:51,970
This sign means stop.

2429
01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:54,010
This is a red light, means stop.

2430
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:55,870
And don't steal from us.

2431
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:56,710
Welcome to America.

2432
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:58,610
Okay, now we go to Ilan Omar.

2433
01:27:58,610 --> 01:28:01,410
And we're joined now by Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman

2434
01:28:01,410 --> 01:28:02,290
Ilhan Omar.

2435
01:28:02,730 --> 01:28:03,610
Welcome to the program.

2436
01:28:03,790 --> 01:28:04,290
Thank you, Margaret.

2437
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:06,210
We have a lot to get to with

2438
01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:07,250
you, but I want to pick up on

2439
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:09,670
where the Treasury Secretary just left off.

2440
01:28:09,850 --> 01:28:10,810
Can you start that over?

2441
01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:11,890
Can you start the clip over?

2442
01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:14,970
Because she said, thank you, my good friend.

2443
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:16,890
Oh, did she say that?

2444
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:17,850
I don't know.

2445
01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:19,150
That's what I wanted to hear it again.

2446
01:28:19,450 --> 01:28:21,390
Ilhan Omar, welcome to the program.

2447
01:28:21,570 --> 01:28:22,050
Thank you, Margaret.

2448
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:25,790
We have a lot to get to with

2449
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:26,830
you, but I want to pick up on

2450
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:29,230
where the Treasury Secretary just left off.

2451
01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:32,250
He alleged that people who were tied to

2452
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:35,310
you or your campaign were involved in this

2453
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:40,110
broad brazen scheme to rip off the Minnesota

2454
01:28:40,110 --> 01:28:41,930
state welfare system.

2455
01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:43,430
Do you want to respond to that?

2456
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:44,990
Do you know what he is referring to?

2457
01:28:45,170 --> 01:28:45,970
I really don't.

2458
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:47,990
And I don't think the Secretary himself understands

2459
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:49,090
what he's referring to.

2460
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:55,190
We obviously had people who were able to

2461
01:28:55,190 --> 01:28:57,570
donate to our campaign that were involved.

2462
01:28:57,890 --> 01:29:00,530
We send that money back a couple years

2463
01:29:00,530 --> 01:29:00,950
ago.

2464
01:29:01,230 --> 01:29:03,110
And actually, I was one of the first

2465
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:06,210
members of Congress to send a letter to

2466
01:29:06,210 --> 01:29:09,130
the Secretary of AG asking them to look

2467
01:29:09,130 --> 01:29:14,010
into what I thought was a reprehensible fraud

2468
01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:16,210
that was occurring within the program.

2469
01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:19,450
Yeah, so we got busted and I sent

2470
01:29:19,450 --> 01:29:20,110
the money back.

2471
01:29:20,230 --> 01:29:21,010
It should be done.

2472
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:23,130
This was all, stop it, Besson.

2473
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:24,310
Besson knows more.

2474
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:27,450
Besson is very involved in all these things.

2475
01:29:27,550 --> 01:29:28,430
Let's see how this continues.

2476
01:29:28,710 --> 01:29:31,310
So this was, just for our audience, the

2477
01:29:31,310 --> 01:29:33,630
Binary Justice Department called it the largest COVID

2478
01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:35,150
fraud scheme in the country.

2479
01:29:36,170 --> 01:29:38,970
And this was pocketing COVID-era welfare funds,

2480
01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:41,290
more than a billion dollars in taxpayer money

2481
01:29:41,290 --> 01:29:41,910
that was stolen.

2482
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:44,330
It was pretty, pretty shocking.

2483
01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:47,370
Shocking, which we knew about this.

2484
01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:48,790
Everybody knew about this.

2485
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:51,010
The partosphere knew about this.

2486
01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:52,770
This was during Biden.

2487
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:54,110
We were talking about it.

2488
01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:55,370
Nothing happened.

2489
01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:56,650
So now things are happening.

2490
01:29:56,710 --> 01:29:57,410
That's kind of good.

2491
01:29:57,950 --> 01:30:00,450
Of the 87 people charged, all but eight

2492
01:30:00,450 --> 01:30:02,050
are of Somali descent.

2493
01:30:02,130 --> 01:30:02,490
Garbage.

2494
01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:04,870
And that has added to the spotlight being

2495
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:07,770
put specifically on your community.

2496
01:30:08,830 --> 01:30:09,250
Community.

2497
01:30:09,630 --> 01:30:11,470
Why do you think this fraud was allowed

2498
01:30:11,470 --> 01:30:12,730
to get so widespread?

2499
01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:14,830
Because I allowed it to.

2500
01:30:15,630 --> 01:30:18,970
I want to say, this also has-

2501
01:30:18,970 --> 01:30:20,830
Oh, let's not answer the question.

2502
01:30:21,070 --> 01:30:23,490
Wow, that's a good step aside.

2503
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:25,550
Let's hear the question again.

2504
01:30:26,110 --> 01:30:28,370
Why do you think this fraud was allowed

2505
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:29,610
to get so widespread?

2506
01:30:31,210 --> 01:30:34,710
I want to say, this also has an

2507
01:30:34,710 --> 01:30:38,150
impact on Somalis.

2508
01:30:38,670 --> 01:30:41,770
Because we are also taxpayers in Minnesota.

2509
01:30:42,730 --> 01:30:46,930
We also could have benefited from the program

2510
01:30:46,930 --> 01:30:48,970
and the money that was stolen.

2511
01:30:49,710 --> 01:30:53,370
And so it's been really frustrating for people

2512
01:30:53,370 --> 01:30:57,970
to not acknowledge the fact that we're also,

2513
01:30:59,250 --> 01:31:03,870
as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry

2514
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:05,470
about the fraud that has occurred.

2515
01:31:05,490 --> 01:31:06,310
We're victims.

2516
01:31:06,770 --> 01:31:08,170
What are you talking about, Margaret?

2517
01:31:08,210 --> 01:31:09,170
We're the victim here.

2518
01:31:09,670 --> 01:31:11,570
You're getting it all wrong in this brazen

2519
01:31:11,570 --> 01:31:12,070
scheme.

2520
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:14,810
Do you think, though, that there was a

2521
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:16,610
failure by the Democratic state?

2522
01:31:16,610 --> 01:31:17,670
Hold on a second again.

2523
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:21,890
What you just said, she could have actually

2524
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:25,430
pulled that off by saying, we're being tarnished

2525
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:27,470
by a few bad apples.

2526
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:30,310
There are over 100,000 Somalis.

2527
01:31:30,430 --> 01:31:31,530
We've got 80 people.

2528
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:33,490
So what is this a spit in the

2529
01:31:33,490 --> 01:31:33,690
bucket?

2530
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:35,230
And who are these other eight people that

2531
01:31:35,230 --> 01:31:36,150
weren't Somalians?

2532
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:38,130
You're making us look bad.

2533
01:31:38,370 --> 01:31:40,830
I mean, she could have gone that way.

2534
01:31:41,250 --> 01:31:41,950
Yeah, she didn't.

2535
01:31:42,630 --> 01:31:43,350
No, she didn't.

2536
01:31:43,530 --> 01:31:44,190
She's not that bright.

2537
01:31:44,570 --> 01:31:47,010
So do you think, though, that there was

2538
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:50,630
a failure by the Democratic state government to

2539
01:31:50,630 --> 01:31:51,710
police itself?

2540
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:55,110
This is a brazen, fraudulent activity here.

2541
01:31:55,390 --> 01:31:57,590
Yeah, and that is what I alluded to

2542
01:31:57,590 --> 01:32:00,510
in my letter that I'd sent to the

2543
01:32:00,510 --> 01:32:01,870
Secretary of AG.

2544
01:32:04,670 --> 01:32:07,070
Who is the Secretary of AG?

2545
01:32:07,570 --> 01:32:08,910
This is Secretary of AG.

2546
01:32:09,070 --> 01:32:09,930
He's a chicken farmer.

2547
01:32:09,930 --> 01:32:12,530
He lives in the middle of Minnesota.

2548
01:32:12,710 --> 01:32:14,190
I think it's a show title.

2549
01:32:14,290 --> 01:32:15,510
Secretary of AG.

2550
01:32:15,730 --> 01:32:16,110
All right.

2551
01:32:16,530 --> 01:32:20,010
Was to see where things were going wrong.

2552
01:32:20,150 --> 01:32:24,550
How can this amount of money disappear fraudulently

2553
01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:28,030
without there being alarms being set?

2554
01:32:28,030 --> 01:32:30,670
Oh, it's your fault for not noticing it.

2555
01:32:30,810 --> 01:32:31,210
Oh, OK.

2556
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:34,990
And it is something that we have to

2557
01:32:34,990 --> 01:32:36,310
continue to investigate.

2558
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:38,250
We have to continue to ask those questions.

2559
01:32:38,250 --> 01:32:39,190
Yes, we have to.

2560
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:41,750
She's I have to say, I give her

2561
01:32:41,750 --> 01:32:44,310
an eight, an eight plus, maybe even how

2562
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:45,650
she's she's dealing with this.

2563
01:32:46,010 --> 01:32:48,550
Hey, you should have caught this.

2564
01:32:48,650 --> 01:32:49,810
This is not our fault.

2565
01:32:50,030 --> 01:32:52,030
Because, as you know, one of the initial

2566
01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:53,790
defenses by the organization at the heart of

2567
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:56,550
the fraud feeding our future was to claim

2568
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:58,170
the probe was due to racism.

2569
01:32:58,670 --> 01:33:00,690
Do you think that this was all about

2570
01:33:00,690 --> 01:33:03,630
negligence or that it was like political fear

2571
01:33:03,630 --> 01:33:05,510
of alienating the Somali community?

2572
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:06,390
Trump.

2573
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:09,850
So you have to remember that the woman

2574
01:33:09,850 --> 01:33:13,690
who led the program is a Caucasian woman.

2575
01:33:14,610 --> 01:33:17,850
And that was her way of making sure

2576
01:33:17,850 --> 01:33:21,670
that this would continue to happen by using

2577
01:33:21,670 --> 01:33:24,650
whatever rhetoric that was available to her.

2578
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:27,190
We do know that when the money was

2579
01:33:27,190 --> 01:33:31,670
stopped, they did sue the AG Attorney General

2580
01:33:31,670 --> 01:33:37,050
Keith Ellison defended the department in that lawsuit.

2581
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:40,570
It was a judge that said it should

2582
01:33:40,570 --> 01:33:42,950
continue that money should continue to go out.

2583
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:45,630
And so this wasn't something that people were

2584
01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:46,870
not looking at.

2585
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:49,330
There was always those those alarms.

2586
01:33:49,330 --> 01:33:52,350
And we will continue to understand where things

2587
01:33:52,350 --> 01:33:55,070
might have gone wrong as these investigations continue

2588
01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:59,310
and as these fraudsters are prosecuted and sent

2589
01:33:59,310 --> 01:33:59,590
to jail.

2590
01:33:59,590 --> 01:34:01,910
And then the final clip, which has some

2591
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:03,250
nice laughter tells in it.

2592
01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:04,830
It's going to have impact for your community

2593
01:34:04,830 --> 01:34:06,590
because we've already heard that the head of

2594
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:08,370
Medicare and Medicaid say they're going to have

2595
01:34:08,370 --> 01:34:10,050
a new policy that applies to Minnesota.

2596
01:34:10,210 --> 01:34:12,150
You heard the Treasury secretary say they're investigating.

2597
01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:16,270
But there's another threat here because House Republicans

2598
01:34:16,270 --> 01:34:18,230
and the Treasury secretary just now talked about

2599
01:34:18,230 --> 01:34:21,150
a link to terrorism, a possible link.

2600
01:34:21,210 --> 01:34:24,550
He said they're just now beginning to look

2601
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:25,070
into it.

2602
01:34:25,230 --> 01:34:26,810
How confident are you that that's a false

2603
01:34:26,810 --> 01:34:27,090
claim?

2604
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:34,710
I'm pretty confident at the moment because I'm

2605
01:34:34,710 --> 01:34:41,890
pretty confident at the moment because there are

2606
01:34:41,890 --> 01:34:44,850
people who have been prosecuted and who have

2607
01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:45,510
been sentenced.

2608
01:34:45,870 --> 01:34:48,590
If there was a linkage in that the

2609
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:51,310
money that they had stolen going to terrorism,

2610
01:34:51,470 --> 01:34:54,430
then that is a failure of the FBI

2611
01:34:54,430 --> 01:34:57,070
and our court system.

2612
01:34:57,070 --> 01:35:03,210
In not figuring that out and basically charging

2613
01:35:03,210 --> 01:35:05,890
them with with these with these charges.

2614
01:35:06,150 --> 01:35:09,070
And so I do know that for many

2615
01:35:09,070 --> 01:35:12,450
years, this sort of like alarm that there

2616
01:35:12,450 --> 01:35:15,550
is money being transferred through the airport in

2617
01:35:15,550 --> 01:35:18,370
bags and going to terrorism has all that

2618
01:35:18,370 --> 01:35:20,370
accusation has always existed.

2619
01:35:20,510 --> 01:35:23,170
There has never been here and there in

2620
01:35:23,170 --> 01:35:24,230
those accusations.

2621
01:35:24,570 --> 01:35:25,610
Never been here and there.

2622
01:35:25,610 --> 01:35:28,670
But if that is the case, if money

2623
01:35:28,670 --> 01:35:31,970
from U.S. tax dollars is being sent

2624
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:37,110
to help with terrorism in Somalia, we want

2625
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:37,530
to know.

2626
01:35:37,730 --> 01:35:39,810
And we want those people prosecuted.

2627
01:35:40,290 --> 01:35:41,850
And we want to make sure that that

2628
01:35:41,850 --> 01:35:43,050
doesn't ever happen again.

2629
01:35:44,830 --> 01:35:46,770
Yeah, we'll see.

2630
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:48,870
I think she's a bit on the ropes.

2631
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:51,050
She comes across very confidently, though.

2632
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:52,890
She does that pretty well.

2633
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:53,690
Huh?

2634
01:35:54,530 --> 01:35:55,590
Yeah, it's her style.

2635
01:35:55,950 --> 01:35:56,230
Yeah.

2636
01:35:58,630 --> 01:36:00,850
There's another big thing going on.

2637
01:36:00,890 --> 01:36:01,970
The big deal.

2638
01:36:02,110 --> 01:36:04,010
I think there's probably top of the top

2639
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:06,410
of the news is the hepatitis B.

2640
01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:08,210
Ah, can I can I set it up

2641
01:36:08,210 --> 01:36:11,090
with a with a positioning clip here?

2642
01:36:11,670 --> 01:36:12,610
Yes, absolutely.

2643
01:36:12,930 --> 01:36:13,950
OK, hold on a second.

2644
01:36:14,110 --> 01:36:16,350
Yes, this this is a big deal.

2645
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:20,390
Hold on a second.

2646
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:22,890
I have two.

2647
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:24,550
Yeah, two.

2648
01:36:25,230 --> 01:36:28,030
We start with the yeah, this is the

2649
01:36:28,030 --> 01:36:31,650
actually because they had the hearing and they,

2650
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:33,510
you know, they're talking to people on Capitol

2651
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:33,810
Hill.

2652
01:36:33,950 --> 01:36:35,430
I'll start with this clip.

2653
01:36:35,790 --> 01:36:37,670
This is Aaron Seery.

2654
01:36:37,810 --> 01:36:39,190
He's a lawyer who testified.

2655
01:36:40,330 --> 01:36:43,850
Initially, this was about this also involves the

2656
01:36:43,850 --> 01:36:49,310
1986 immunity clause for pharmaceutical companies.

2657
01:36:49,870 --> 01:36:52,130
So they cannot get sued if their product

2658
01:36:52,130 --> 01:36:53,370
hurts you or kills you.

2659
01:36:53,650 --> 01:36:53,950
And right.

2660
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:57,070
Coincidentally, that's in 1986 is when the hepatitis

2661
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:59,410
V vaccine got when it was invented.

2662
01:36:59,550 --> 01:37:00,590
It was from 81, I believe.

2663
01:37:00,690 --> 01:37:03,050
But in 86, they started pushing it out

2664
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:03,210
there.

2665
01:37:03,530 --> 01:37:05,470
I went to see my doctor about it

2666
01:37:05,470 --> 01:37:07,250
back in the day.

2667
01:37:08,050 --> 01:37:10,030
And he said, if he looks at me,

2668
01:37:10,030 --> 01:37:10,590
he says, why?

2669
01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:11,950
Why do you want this vaccine?

2670
01:37:12,010 --> 01:37:13,450
Are you working with blood?

2671
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:16,130
Here's the lawyer.

2672
01:37:16,130 --> 01:37:18,250
Why do we need the 1986 act?

2673
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:20,170
The vaccines are so safe, too.

2674
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:23,530
Why does a product need immunity if it

2675
01:37:23,530 --> 01:37:24,410
doesn't cause harm?

2676
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:28,250
And why does products that have been on

2677
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:28,850
the market for day?

2678
01:37:28,890 --> 01:37:30,050
Why do products have been on the market

2679
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:32,850
for decades like the hepatitis V vaccine still

2680
01:37:32,850 --> 01:37:33,470
need that immunity?

2681
01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:35,750
Do we still not know they're safe enough

2682
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:37,350
to lift the immunity on those products?

2683
01:37:38,290 --> 01:37:41,730
Look, drug products that are very limited markets,

2684
01:37:42,030 --> 01:37:44,230
tiny markets that are given to very few

2685
01:37:44,230 --> 01:37:46,750
people that have really bad adverse event profiles

2686
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:49,090
can still be sold profitably.

2687
01:37:49,390 --> 01:37:49,550
Why?

2688
01:37:50,530 --> 01:37:52,570
Pharma companies typically need to do two things.

2689
01:37:52,890 --> 01:37:54,990
Number one, they need to make the product

2690
01:37:54,990 --> 01:37:56,430
as safe and technologically feasible.

2691
01:37:57,010 --> 01:37:58,970
And by doing so, they avoid design defect

2692
01:37:58,970 --> 01:38:00,770
claims, which is the primary way you hold

2693
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:04,050
a company accountable for harms from their product,

2694
01:38:04,570 --> 01:38:05,650
the type of claim you can never bring

2695
01:38:05,650 --> 01:38:06,530
for a childhood vaccine.

2696
01:38:07,370 --> 01:38:10,010
The second way is they disclose the risks

2697
01:38:10,010 --> 01:38:11,290
that product can cause.

2698
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:14,470
And hence, they avoid failure to warn claims.

2699
01:38:15,150 --> 01:38:16,990
Those are the two primary claims that would

2700
01:38:16,990 --> 01:38:18,530
be levied against a pharmaceutical company.

2701
01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:20,650
I do not understand.

2702
01:38:20,810 --> 01:38:22,410
Well, I shouldn't say that.

2703
01:38:22,730 --> 01:38:23,290
It's not true.

2704
01:38:24,290 --> 01:38:28,390
There's probably a reason that this immunity still

2705
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:31,130
needs to continue for these products.

2706
01:38:31,890 --> 01:38:35,450
And pretending that that reason doesn't exist is

2707
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:37,070
not going to make the problem any better.

2708
01:38:37,090 --> 01:38:38,750
And it's not going to safeguard the kids

2709
01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:40,350
that are injured by these products.

2710
01:38:40,930 --> 01:38:42,130
It's really so simple.

2711
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:44,530
It's almost as simple as, why do I

2712
01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:46,270
need to stay away from you if you've

2713
01:38:46,270 --> 01:38:47,910
been vaccinated against COVID?

2714
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:49,630
Aren't you protected?

2715
01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:50,970
Safe and effective.

2716
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:52,590
Well, if it's safe and effective, why don't

2717
01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:53,590
you stand by your product?

2718
01:38:53,710 --> 01:38:55,610
It's very simple what he's saying.

2719
01:38:56,030 --> 01:38:58,490
Here's ABC to lead into your analysis clips.

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Today, a major reversal from the CDC.

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An advisory committee voting to no longer recommend

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the hepatitis B vaccine for newborns of moms

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that test negative.

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The reversal putting an end to a recommendation

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that has been in place for over 30

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years.

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It was voted on by a panel put

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in place by HHS Secretary Robert F.

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Kennedy Jr., who has long pushed vaccine conspiracies.

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Sad that there are people on this committee

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who didn't bring up any of the real

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world benefits.

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Former CDC chief of vaccines, Dmitry Daskalakis, resigned

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from the committee earlier this year.

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I think that what you're seeing is ideology

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supplanting science, conspiracy supplanting process.

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He slammed the move, saying it will create

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confusion.

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Access remains the same, but creates doubt, confusion,

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and will result in more children getting hepatitis

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B.

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And ultimately, then, getting chronic hepatitis B, 90

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% of them will if they're infected, and

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25% of them will die early.

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They'll die.

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Senator Bill Cassidy, who voted to confirm Kennedy,

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also rebuking the decision, writing,

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What?

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So, what has changed?

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What's changed is instead of demanding or just

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putting it on a schedule, you have to

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take it.

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Apparently not true.

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Apparently not true.

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I know, but that's the image that you

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have.

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Yes, yes.

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It's on the schedule, you get the shot,

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no questions asked.

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They've changed that to, well, what do you

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think?

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Ask a question.

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What do you think?

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The doctor, of course, said, I think you

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should get it.

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Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Because I get a piece of the action,

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and you don't need the extra money.

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You're not going to listen to an anti

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-vaxxer, are you?

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He's been spreading conspiracies about vaccines for decades.

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You're not going to listen to him.

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You want to listen to him?

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Or your doctor?

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So, there's the same kind of reporting, only

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the NPR, they made it longer, and they

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brought in a bunch of people to bitch

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and moan.

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But the question on my mind, which is

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the other three clips I've got here, are

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from the BBC.

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What is the BBC, World Service, concentrating on

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this for?

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Because it's obviously part of a world thing.

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This hepatitis B vaccine isn't from British pharmaceutical

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company?

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There's one guy it's attributed to, one person.

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No, but I mean, who manufactures it?

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Well, I don't know, I'd have to look.

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Why don't you look it up?

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I'll look it up, yeah.

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Vax Hep B Horror.

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To the United States now, where President Trump

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has ordered officials to review all childhood vaccination

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recommendations.

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The committee which advises the health secretary, Robert

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F.

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Kennedy Jr., was reconstituted in the summer.

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Critics have accused Mr. Kennedy, who has a

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record of vaccine skepticism, of removing scientists who

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disagree.

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He insists he's just trying to challenge groupthink

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in public health policy.

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I love the, has a record.

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He has a record of vaccine skepticism.

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Makes it sound like, you know, he's been

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arrested for it or something.

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He's got a...

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That's a good boy.

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He's got a record.

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The advisory committee has now recommended that newborns

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should no longer be vaccinated against hepatitis B.

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It should be a matter of choice for

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individual parents.

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Well, Jason Schwartz is Associate Professor of Health

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Policy at the Yale School of Public Health

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and an expert on vaccination.

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Professor Schwartz, thank you for being with us

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on NewsHour.

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Let's start with this recommendation.

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What does it actually amount to?

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01:42:59,070 --> 01:43:00,290
Hold on a second again.

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Notice the way he, if you back it

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01:43:02,430 --> 01:43:03,930
up just a little bit, notice the way

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01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:08,550
he says recommendation with unbelievable British disdain.

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Yes.

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On NewsHour.

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01:43:10,390 --> 01:43:12,550
Let's start with this recommendation.

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Recommendation.

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01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:16,870
What does it actually amount to?

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01:43:16,930 --> 01:43:19,690
What difference does it potentially make to the

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01:43:19,690 --> 01:43:21,970
approach that's been recommended thus far?

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It's great to be with you.

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These recommendations that come from this advisory committee

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have set the standard for how vaccines have

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01:43:28,710 --> 01:43:30,570
been used in the United States for the

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60 years that this committee has been in

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effect.

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So it really shapes the ways in which

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physicians and other healthcare providers, and most importantly,

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parents think about how to use vaccines.

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So now that we're seeing in this newly

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constituted committee a retreat, really, from the traditional

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ways in which parents have been advised to

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actively receive vaccines to a more decide for

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01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:57,330
yourselves in conversation with your provider sort of

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mindset most recently with hepatitis B creates a

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lot of confusion, creates a lot of uncertainty.

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And that means that fewer kids are going

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to get vaccinated against hepatitis B at birth.

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Contrary to how we've been using this vaccine

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in the United States for over 30 years.

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It's not going to happen.

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Yes.

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Oh, my God.

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The parents are going to actually have some

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input.

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They're going to, it's going to, it's too

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confusing.

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They're dumb.

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They're dumb.

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01:44:26,590 --> 01:44:28,090
We have a bunch of dummies out there

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and then we just have to tell them

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what to do.

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We can't let them even make a decision

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to nix anything.

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Okay.

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Part two.

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They're still recommending it's used though for high

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risk.

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01:44:38,970 --> 01:44:42,210
Is that something it's simple to determine or

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not?

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There are some populations that are at higher

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risk of hepatitis B, especially in the newborn

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population.

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Most notably, if the child's mother is a

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chronic carrier of the virus.

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But hepatitis experts have noted that there are

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lots of ways in which this virus can

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01:44:58,470 --> 01:45:00,110
be transmitted in the first few years of

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life.

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And the idea of using this time-tested

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safe and effective, safe and effective, safe, safe

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01:45:05,850 --> 01:45:08,250
and effective and effective vaccine at the earliest

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opportunity provides the, the, the best protection against

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those exposures.

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That can be something that a child could

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01:45:14,970 --> 01:45:16,930
suffer with both immediately and for the rest

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of their lives.

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So it's not as easy as it sounds,

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despite thinking about this high risk idea as

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an alternative.

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Is this an illustration of the debates between

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individual freedom and, and the desire for, and

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01:45:27,710 --> 01:45:29,210
it never sounds very attractive when you say

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it like this, but we know what it

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01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:31,350
means, herd immunity.

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In other words, the more people get vaccinated,

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the less the risk to everybody as a

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whole.

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On the one hand that it is, but

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it's always worth remembering that while much of

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the United States debate around vaccines relates to

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01:45:42,690 --> 01:45:45,710
the mandates that exist often at the school

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01:45:45,710 --> 01:45:48,270
level and are controlled by states, that's not

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what's being discussed here.

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01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:50,990
These are only recommendations.

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Now they're influential recommendations to be sure, but

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they're just recommendations for the best practices, for

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what the evidence suggests, for how the hepatitis

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B vaccine and increasingly other vaccines could be

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used.

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But I think you're right that even that

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idea of the federal public health infrastructure, trying

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to actively encourage parents and healthcare providers to

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01:46:12,170 --> 01:46:14,330
use vaccines, even that has been tied up

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01:46:14,330 --> 01:46:16,910
in this broader debate about individual rights and

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01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:19,790
parental freedom and these broader anxieties around vaccine

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01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:22,330
safety that are so pervasive in our federal

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health administration.

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01:46:23,730 --> 01:46:24,510
It's so pervasive.

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It's just horrible.

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01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:27,270
We're talking about safety.

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01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:28,910
I believe, yes.

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01:46:28,910 --> 01:46:30,330
And they should just get rid of that

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01:46:30,330 --> 01:46:31,230
liability thing.

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That would take care of this issue.

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That's what this is ultimately about, of course.

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01:46:35,210 --> 01:46:35,950
Well, let's hope so.

2930
01:46:35,950 --> 01:46:38,070
But the point is that the code word

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01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:40,690
safe and effective, I believe after hearing it

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01:46:40,690 --> 01:46:43,250
from this guy on the BBC, that is

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a code.

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I almost can be convinced that somebody gets

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a check in the mail for a thousand

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dollars for saying the words safe and effective

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01:46:52,510 --> 01:46:54,910
in regards to any vaccine whatsoever.

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So the FDA in the United States has

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01:46:57,950 --> 01:47:01,810
approved a couple of different hepatitis B vaccines,

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01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:06,730
Engerix B and Twinrix.

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01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:11,510
Twinrix is hepatitis A and hepatitis B recombinant.

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01:47:12,270 --> 01:47:15,250
Both of those and the runners up are

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01:47:15,250 --> 01:47:20,010
produced by GlaxoSmithKline, a fine British company.

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01:47:21,310 --> 01:47:23,330
So that would kind of explain this.

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01:47:23,710 --> 01:47:24,910
That would explain why the BBC gives a

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01:47:24,910 --> 01:47:25,150
shit.

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01:47:25,310 --> 01:47:25,410
Yeah.

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01:47:25,610 --> 01:47:26,610
And we've got about...

2949
01:47:26,610 --> 01:47:26,890
Sorry?

2950
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:28,390
Nothing.

2951
01:47:28,630 --> 01:47:29,590
Oh, I thought you said something.

2952
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:32,650
We've got about 45 seconds or so left

2953
01:47:32,650 --> 01:47:34,490
on this topic, and I just want to

2954
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:35,910
ask you one quick last thought.

2955
01:47:36,270 --> 01:47:38,290
Might this help to do something to rebuild

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01:47:38,290 --> 01:47:41,330
confidence and trust among those who have become

2957
01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:43,410
sceptical as a result of what happened in

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01:47:43,410 --> 01:47:43,870
the pandemic?

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01:47:44,930 --> 01:47:45,990
You know, I'm concerned.

2960
01:47:46,210 --> 01:47:48,370
I think that's certainly the argument that's being

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01:47:48,370 --> 01:47:50,230
made by these health officials for how they're

2962
01:47:50,230 --> 01:47:52,670
reframing our vaccine policy really wholesale.

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01:47:52,970 --> 01:47:54,390
But I think what it's doing is creating

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01:47:54,390 --> 01:47:58,050
even more confusion, more uncertainty, more lack of

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01:47:58,050 --> 01:48:00,450
clarity regarding who can be trusted from public

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01:48:00,450 --> 01:48:03,490
health officials, public health agencies, health care providers.

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And ultimately, that doesn't serve public health well.

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It doesn't serve kids well who need to

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be vaccinated.

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So I think there's a lot of uncertainty

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ahead.

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And I think it's only going to get

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worse, unfortunately, with our vaccine program here in

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the US.

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That's Jason Schwartz, Associate Professor of Health Policy

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at the Yale School of Public Health.

2977
01:48:22,850 --> 01:48:24,270
Jason, thanks so much for joining us.

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01:48:24,270 --> 01:48:25,890
I don't know where you are, buddy, but

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there you are.

2980
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So I have from this morning, I have

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01:48:29,210 --> 01:48:32,610
our buddy, Scott Gottlieb, industry insider.

2982
01:48:33,110 --> 01:48:34,650
That guy's still in the air.

2983
01:48:34,990 --> 01:48:35,850
They bring him back.

2984
01:48:35,950 --> 01:48:38,690
You know, he is a correspondent for CBS,

2985
01:48:39,170 --> 01:48:40,410
I believe.

2986
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:42,310
Well, before you play it, let me just

2987
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get these NPR clips, but I'm not going

2988
01:48:44,210 --> 01:48:45,810
to play them because I think the CBS

2989
01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:47,710
clip you played was good enough.

2990
01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:49,830
But I do have this little short 22

2991
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:52,970
second WTF clip, which is part of the

2992
01:48:52,970 --> 01:48:55,370
series of the NPRs talking about pretty much

2993
01:48:55,370 --> 01:48:56,330
what the BBC did.

2994
01:48:56,430 --> 01:49:00,010
But this little snippet here, I put aside.

2995
01:49:00,450 --> 01:49:02,870
And what's been the reaction to this change?

2996
01:49:03,870 --> 01:49:08,110
Most public health experts are horrified, horrified, horrified,

2997
01:49:08,290 --> 01:49:09,770
horrified, horrified, frankly.

2998
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:12,930
They say there's overwhelming evidence that the vaccine

2999
01:49:12,930 --> 01:49:15,510
is safe for newborns and babies can catch

3000
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:17,790
the virus even if their mothers aren't infected.

3001
01:49:17,790 --> 01:49:20,610
Here's Dr. Joseph Hibblen, another member of the

3002
01:49:20,610 --> 01:49:22,350
committee who voted against the change.

3003
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:24,270
Oh, he can catch it.

3004
01:49:24,570 --> 01:49:25,130
You can catch it.

3005
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:27,010
Well, I didn't have to play anymore because

3006
01:49:27,010 --> 01:49:29,510
this guy, they brought a guy in who

3007
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:31,330
bitched and moaned about this decision.

3008
01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:32,970
But he's on the committee.

3009
01:49:33,150 --> 01:49:35,950
Now, this is after everybody moans and groans

3010
01:49:35,950 --> 01:49:37,770
that Kennedy stacked the committee.

3011
01:49:38,250 --> 01:49:39,950
Well, how come they have a naysayer on

3012
01:49:39,950 --> 01:49:41,190
the committee, if that's true?

3013
01:49:44,270 --> 01:49:45,550
Well, I'm flummoxed.

3014
01:49:45,550 --> 01:49:45,830
Hello?

3015
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:46,810
I'm flummoxed.

3016
01:49:46,810 --> 01:49:50,050
So you should be flummoxed because the whole

3017
01:49:50,050 --> 01:49:52,270
thing flies in the face of the basic

3018
01:49:52,270 --> 01:49:56,750
thesis that Kennedy stacked to stack the deck

3019
01:49:56,750 --> 01:50:00,930
with the conspiracy theorists, the anti-vaccine nutcases.

3020
01:50:01,210 --> 01:50:01,610
That's right.

3021
01:50:01,670 --> 01:50:02,830
But there's this guy.

3022
01:50:04,150 --> 01:50:06,590
OK, let's bring in Scott Gottlieb.

3023
01:50:06,650 --> 01:50:08,350
He was on with Margaret.

3024
01:50:08,510 --> 01:50:10,970
We're joined now by former FDA Commissioner Dr.

3025
01:50:11,130 --> 01:50:11,870
Scott Gottlieb.

3026
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:12,230
Doctor.

3027
01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:14,230
He also serves on the boards of Pfizer

3028
01:50:14,230 --> 01:50:15,810
and United Healthcare.

3029
01:50:15,970 --> 01:50:16,570
Welcome back.

3030
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:17,590
United Healthcare.

3031
01:50:17,710 --> 01:50:18,810
There's a target on his back.

3032
01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:19,350
He has a new gig.

3033
01:50:19,470 --> 01:50:20,670
Yeah, target on your back.

3034
01:50:21,310 --> 01:50:21,590
Wow.

3035
01:50:21,630 --> 01:50:21,970
Thank you.

3036
01:50:22,690 --> 01:50:24,570
You know, there was some pretty big news

3037
01:50:24,570 --> 01:50:25,350
on Friday.

3038
01:50:25,670 --> 01:50:27,790
And the American Academy of Pediatrics said they

3039
01:50:27,790 --> 01:50:31,650
are deeply alarmed that the CDC's vaccine advisory

3040
01:50:31,650 --> 01:50:35,270
panel, ACIP, voted in this 8-3 decision.

3041
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:36,650
So there were three.

3042
01:50:36,890 --> 01:50:38,130
Three against, not just three.

3043
01:50:38,130 --> 01:50:39,510
There's three of these guys.

3044
01:50:39,810 --> 01:50:40,090
All right.

3045
01:50:40,210 --> 01:50:44,190
Changed this 30-year-long policy regarding hepatitis

3046
01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:45,350
B in newborns.

3047
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:47,750
I like the emphasis on 30 years.

3048
01:50:47,850 --> 01:50:48,510
This has been going on.

3049
01:50:48,690 --> 01:50:50,290
This has been great for years.

3050
01:50:51,130 --> 01:50:53,130
I think the American people here.

3051
01:50:53,690 --> 01:50:55,190
Wow, this could have been going on for

3052
01:50:55,190 --> 01:50:55,830
30 years.

3053
01:50:57,010 --> 01:50:58,170
They just can't.

3054
01:50:58,230 --> 01:51:00,250
They can't get away from their overlords and

3055
01:51:00,250 --> 01:51:00,570
pharma.

3056
01:51:01,190 --> 01:51:04,610
They are now recommending delaying the dose until

3057
01:51:04,610 --> 01:51:06,570
a child is two months old instead of

3058
01:51:06,570 --> 01:51:08,750
within 24 hours of birth.

3059
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:12,510
What does this decision mean for families in

3060
01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:12,750
newborns?

3061
01:51:12,830 --> 01:51:13,550
Holy crap.

3062
01:51:13,730 --> 01:51:14,910
That's what this is about?

3063
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:16,810
A two-month delay?

3064
01:51:17,850 --> 01:51:18,070
Yeah.

3065
01:51:18,350 --> 01:51:20,210
Is that the whole recommendation or is that

3066
01:51:20,210 --> 01:51:20,910
just part of it?

3067
01:51:20,910 --> 01:51:21,070
Pretty much.

3068
01:51:21,410 --> 01:51:21,550
Yeah.

3069
01:51:21,730 --> 01:51:22,890
No, it's part of it.

3070
01:51:24,170 --> 01:51:24,370
Wow.

3071
01:51:25,130 --> 01:51:26,590
Consultation is also part of it.

3072
01:51:28,230 --> 01:51:30,050
Heaven forbid you don't want to do consulting.

3073
01:51:30,430 --> 01:51:32,470
You don't want to tell the parents their

3074
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:33,050
options.

3075
01:51:33,290 --> 01:51:33,990
Hell with that.

3076
01:51:34,110 --> 01:51:34,970
Just tell them what to do.

3077
01:51:35,070 --> 01:51:35,930
No, let's not do that.

3078
01:51:36,190 --> 01:51:38,270
I think we first need to understand why

3079
01:51:38,270 --> 01:51:40,050
we give that birth dose of the vaccine.

3080
01:51:40,230 --> 01:51:41,930
Because the idea of giving a vaccine to

3081
01:51:41,930 --> 01:51:43,650
a newborn to a lot of parents sounds

3082
01:51:44,170 --> 01:51:44,630
discomforting.

3083
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:46,370
That the first thing a child's going to

3084
01:51:46,370 --> 01:51:47,750
face when they're born is going to be

3085
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:49,330
a vaccine within the first 24 hours.

3086
01:51:50,010 --> 01:51:51,670
For a child over the age of five,

3087
01:51:51,930 --> 01:51:54,590
if they develop hepatitis B infection, if they're

3088
01:51:54,590 --> 01:51:55,690
exposed to it, they're going to have a

3089
01:51:55,690 --> 01:51:58,090
95% chance of clearing that infection and

3090
01:51:58,090 --> 01:51:59,770
they'll go on to develop lifelong immunity.

3091
01:52:00,270 --> 01:52:00,490
What?

3092
01:52:01,110 --> 01:52:01,570
What?

3093
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:02,770
What?

3094
01:52:03,090 --> 01:52:03,410
What?

3095
01:52:04,090 --> 01:52:06,490
So if you develop it, if you're five

3096
01:52:06,490 --> 01:52:09,090
and you get hepatitis B, you'll be okay

3097
01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:10,630
and you'll have lifelong immunity.

3098
01:52:13,550 --> 01:52:14,690
This is nuts.

3099
01:52:14,690 --> 01:52:17,330
Wait, who's, who's paying this guy?

3100
01:52:17,490 --> 01:52:19,230
That doesn't sound like part of the script.

3101
01:52:19,610 --> 01:52:21,610
Well, maybe he's got some, some agenda.

3102
01:52:21,790 --> 01:52:22,650
Let's find out.

3103
01:52:22,670 --> 01:52:24,610
For children between the ages of one and

3104
01:52:24,610 --> 01:52:26,810
five, they only have about a 25 to

3105
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:28,970
50% chance of clearing the infection.

3106
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:31,450
So about 25 to 50% of kids

3107
01:52:31,450 --> 01:52:34,290
will develop chronic infection and about a quarter

3108
01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:35,490
of them will go on to die from

3109
01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:37,570
hepatitis B if they're between the ages of

3110
01:52:37,570 --> 01:52:37,930
one and five.

3111
01:52:37,930 --> 01:52:38,430
Wait a minute, stop.

3112
01:52:38,650 --> 01:52:41,750
So if you don't, if you don't make

3113
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:42,550
it to five.

3114
01:52:43,130 --> 01:52:43,530
You're dead.

3115
01:52:43,710 --> 01:52:44,390
And you get it.

3116
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:45,530
This is bullcrap.

3117
01:52:45,770 --> 01:52:47,530
This makes no logical sense.

3118
01:52:47,570 --> 01:52:48,770
Well, it's the same thing the guy in

3119
01:52:48,770 --> 01:52:49,690
the BBC said.

3120
01:52:49,810 --> 01:52:51,630
He said 25% will die.

3121
01:52:52,330 --> 01:52:53,030
Will die.

3122
01:52:53,170 --> 01:52:53,530
Yeah, I know.

3123
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:54,710
But I didn't know about the five.

3124
01:52:54,830 --> 01:52:58,890
If you're five years or whatever, by the

3125
01:52:58,890 --> 01:53:00,050
time you get to five, if you get

3126
01:53:00,050 --> 01:53:00,930
it, you're good to go.

3127
01:53:01,130 --> 01:53:03,950
Well, I said, because I think what Besson,

3128
01:53:04,090 --> 01:53:07,610
Besson, what Gottlieb is doing here, same guy,

3129
01:53:08,190 --> 01:53:09,250
same guy.

3130
01:53:10,210 --> 01:53:12,250
I don't think he's here to defend the

3131
01:53:12,250 --> 01:53:13,090
hepatitis B.

3132
01:53:13,090 --> 01:53:14,510
He's here for other reasons.

3133
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:17,010
In fact, I'll jump straight to the next

3134
01:53:17,010 --> 01:53:17,270
clip.

3135
01:53:17,870 --> 01:53:21,110
This is really about the advisory committee because

3136
01:53:21,110 --> 01:53:22,730
he is in the vaccine game.

3137
01:53:23,370 --> 01:53:25,470
He, he's on the board of Pfizer.

3138
01:53:25,710 --> 01:53:27,690
So this is not, it's like, all right,

3139
01:53:27,730 --> 01:53:29,490
it's those guys today, but it could be

3140
01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:30,410
us tomorrow.

3141
01:53:30,710 --> 01:53:32,850
And this decision now is to wait two

3142
01:53:32,850 --> 01:53:36,070
months before giving that dose.

3143
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:38,030
The president of the United States came out

3144
01:53:38,030 --> 01:53:40,470
and said this was very good because Hep

3145
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:40,950
B is only.

3146
01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:42,130
I'm sorry, I want to play this one.

3147
01:53:42,130 --> 01:53:44,170
We look at this because there is this

3148
01:53:44,170 --> 01:53:47,210
broader scrutiny of vaccines right now.

3149
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:51,170
So literally she's saying it, Scott, you're here

3150
01:53:51,170 --> 01:53:53,450
because we're looking at this in the broader

3151
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:57,490
scope of policy that may affect your products.

3152
01:53:58,450 --> 01:53:59,730
That's what this is about.

3153
01:53:59,910 --> 01:54:01,490
It's not about him talking.

3154
01:54:01,690 --> 01:54:03,710
No one cares about hepatitis B.

3155
01:54:03,970 --> 01:54:06,350
They're worried their drug is next.

3156
01:54:06,590 --> 01:54:08,530
We look at this because there is this

3157
01:54:08,530 --> 01:54:12,070
broader scrutiny of vaccines right now by the

3158
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:13,030
Trump administration.

3159
01:54:13,230 --> 01:54:14,890
And that could really screw up our advertising

3160
01:54:14,890 --> 01:54:15,610
rates.

3161
01:54:15,890 --> 01:54:19,430
In this board decision from those who voted

3162
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:21,650
against the decision to delay.

3163
01:54:22,270 --> 01:54:23,650
One of them who you heard at the

3164
01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:25,270
top of the show said the CDC is

3165
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:26,170
doing harm.

3166
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:26,650
Harm.

3167
01:54:27,010 --> 01:54:28,490
Another said no rational.

3168
01:54:28,510 --> 01:54:29,570
To our bottom line.

3169
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:33,030
Science has been presented and the committee must

3170
01:54:33,030 --> 01:54:35,790
accept responsibility when harm is caused.

3171
01:54:36,030 --> 01:54:38,490
Those are pretty extraordinary statements.

3172
01:54:39,110 --> 01:54:39,310
If the.

3173
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:40,310
Oh, this is great.

3174
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:41,470
So there's shift.

3175
01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:44,350
If you are harmed by not taking the

3176
01:54:44,350 --> 01:54:47,050
vaccine, you're going to blame this committee.

3177
01:54:47,150 --> 01:54:49,150
But if you're harmed by taking the vaccine,

3178
01:54:49,710 --> 01:54:52,090
sorry, there's nowhere to go.

3179
01:54:52,710 --> 01:54:55,210
If the group making a decision that has

3180
01:54:55,210 --> 01:54:57,850
such high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans

3181
01:54:57,850 --> 01:54:59,710
isn't basing it on science.

3182
01:55:00,010 --> 01:55:00,430
Science.

3183
01:55:00,610 --> 01:55:01,510
No rational science.

3184
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:03,730
Oh, no, sorry, it's not science.

3185
01:55:03,790 --> 01:55:05,190
It's rational science.

3186
01:55:05,590 --> 01:55:08,750
You see, there's science and then there's rational

3187
01:55:08,750 --> 01:55:09,310
science.

3188
01:55:09,310 --> 01:55:11,830
This is literally what CBS is telling you.

3189
01:55:12,110 --> 01:55:14,270
The group making a decision that has such

3190
01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:17,010
high consequences for the most vulnerable Americans isn't

3191
01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:18,510
basing it on science.

3192
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:20,330
No rational science.

3193
01:55:20,690 --> 01:55:23,310
What does that indicate about what comes next?

3194
01:55:23,470 --> 01:55:25,550
Rational science is a new category.

3195
01:55:25,730 --> 01:55:28,370
Well, look, this is the ACIP by and

3196
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:31,030
large, except for a handful of members, our

3197
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:33,750
anti-vax activists who were put there to

3198
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:34,990
carry out a specific agenda.

3199
01:55:35,190 --> 01:55:36,810
And look, the secretary, to his credit, has

3200
01:55:36,810 --> 01:55:38,790
been very honest about what his intentions are

3201
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:39,050
here.

3202
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:41,650
He's the most prominent anti-vaxxer in the

3203
01:55:41,650 --> 01:55:43,470
country prior to coming into this position.

3204
01:55:43,630 --> 01:55:44,610
No, that would be us.

3205
01:55:45,550 --> 01:55:47,410
Hey, stop stealing our valor.

3206
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:48,690
He is not.

3207
01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:50,970
He's pro safe vaccines.

3208
01:55:51,190 --> 01:55:53,450
And you're just afraid for your products.

3209
01:55:53,690 --> 01:55:55,550
And he stated that his goal is to

3210
01:55:55,550 --> 01:55:58,210
eliminate childhood immunization or many of these childhood

3211
01:55:58,210 --> 01:55:58,570
immunizations.

3212
01:55:59,030 --> 01:56:02,970
No, he didn't say that at all.

3213
01:56:03,610 --> 01:56:04,570
That's his goal.

3214
01:56:04,630 --> 01:56:05,230
We're worried.

3215
01:56:05,390 --> 01:56:07,070
Oh, no, I'm working with Pfizer.

3216
01:56:07,070 --> 01:56:09,350
They're going to take a methodical approach and

3217
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:10,410
slowly chip away at this.

3218
01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:12,770
This is a big unforced error insofar as

3219
01:56:12,770 --> 01:56:15,490
ACIP was a esteemed body that a lot

3220
01:56:15,490 --> 01:56:17,490
of states tied their own decision making to.

3221
01:56:17,550 --> 01:56:19,410
And what we're seeing right now is, as

3222
01:56:19,410 --> 01:56:20,950
a group, it's being degraded.

3223
01:56:21,010 --> 01:56:22,150
And I don't think it will ever be

3224
01:56:22,150 --> 01:56:22,590
restored.

3225
01:56:22,730 --> 01:56:24,030
I don't think you can just flip the

3226
01:56:24,030 --> 01:56:26,230
switch and restore this, where people are going

3227
01:56:26,230 --> 01:56:28,370
to suddenly respect its decisions again.

3228
01:56:28,630 --> 01:56:30,750
There's about 600 state laws that were tied

3229
01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:31,990
to decisions ACIP made.

3230
01:56:32,710 --> 01:56:35,330
About 17 states have already passed new legislation

3231
01:56:35,330 --> 01:56:37,270
saying they will no longer respect the decisions

3232
01:56:37,270 --> 01:56:37,650
of ACIP.

3233
01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:39,390
The insurers came out and said they're going

3234
01:56:39,390 --> 01:56:41,710
to tie their own coverage decisions to the

3235
01:56:41,710 --> 01:56:44,350
professional bodies like the American Academy of Pediatrics

3236
01:56:44,350 --> 01:56:45,070
and not ACIP.

3237
01:56:45,230 --> 01:56:46,610
Oh, those guys are the worst.

3238
01:56:46,830 --> 01:56:48,590
It's going to be fully degraded as a

3239
01:56:48,590 --> 01:56:49,550
decision making body.

3240
01:56:49,670 --> 01:56:51,010
And it's going to be more symbolic.

3241
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:53,430
There'll be certain states that adhere to it.

3242
01:56:53,810 --> 01:56:54,970
They'll be more symbolic.

3243
01:56:55,210 --> 01:56:56,650
This is actually great.

3244
01:56:57,230 --> 01:56:59,010
So what they're doing here, the way I

3245
01:56:59,010 --> 01:57:01,850
see it, is they're going to discredit this

3246
01:57:01,850 --> 01:57:04,110
entire board, which has always been kind of

3247
01:57:04,110 --> 01:57:05,510
a pain in the butt because you've got

3248
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:06,990
to pay these guys off, you've got to

3249
01:57:06,990 --> 01:57:08,450
take them out to dinner, you've got to

3250
01:57:08,450 --> 01:57:10,570
give them hookers, all this stuff.

3251
01:57:10,650 --> 01:57:11,210
It's annoying.

3252
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:13,830
We've got all the states under control.

3253
01:57:14,450 --> 01:57:18,870
We've got the states, you know, completely opaque.

3254
01:57:19,250 --> 01:57:21,170
The states will just listen to the American

3255
01:57:21,170 --> 01:57:22,370
Board of Pediatrics.

3256
01:57:22,750 --> 01:57:24,890
Well, that's good.

3257
01:57:25,310 --> 01:57:28,090
I think this is actually the death knell

3258
01:57:28,090 --> 01:57:29,030
of the whole system.

3259
01:57:31,310 --> 01:57:34,390
They have to get this liability thing straightened

3260
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:34,550
out.

3261
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:37,370
It's got to be removed.

3262
01:57:37,570 --> 01:57:41,850
The indemnification, there's no reason for it.

3263
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:47,130
No, certainly not for vaccinations that have been

3264
01:57:47,130 --> 01:57:47,830
safe and effective.

3265
01:57:47,850 --> 01:57:51,250
You might as well put cat poop in

3266
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:53,330
a shot because you're indemnified.

3267
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:54,810
Who cares what you give to kids?

3268
01:57:55,390 --> 01:57:57,010
OK, so now we get down to his

3269
01:57:57,010 --> 01:57:58,490
business, which is mRNA.

3270
01:57:59,250 --> 01:58:00,970
And this is, you know, it's a problem,

3271
01:58:01,090 --> 01:58:03,730
it's a problem because we want to have

3272
01:58:03,730 --> 01:58:07,010
the immunity for our products.

3273
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:10,510
So you, this week, we saw a big

3274
01:58:10,510 --> 01:58:13,630
sell-off in biotech stocks following these reports

3275
01:58:13,630 --> 01:58:15,430
that the FDA, which you used to run

3276
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:17,070
at the first part of the Trump administration,

3277
01:58:17,710 --> 01:58:20,250
is now going to require one study to

3278
01:58:20,250 --> 01:58:21,750
clinch approval of vaccines.

3279
01:58:22,430 --> 01:58:24,230
You were one of the former commissioners who

3280
01:58:24,230 --> 01:58:27,570
put out this really extraordinary editorial in the

3281
01:58:27,570 --> 01:58:30,530
New England Journal of Medicine arguing that the

3282
01:58:30,530 --> 01:58:34,090
FDA and top vaccine regulator Dr. Vinay Prasad

3283
01:58:34,090 --> 01:58:35,850
are changing policies in a way that's going

3284
01:58:35,850 --> 01:58:38,370
to slow down new and better vaccines.

3285
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:41,130
Yeah, because we're going to ask you to

3286
01:58:41,130 --> 01:58:43,650
actually prove that they don't harm people.

3287
01:58:44,210 --> 01:58:45,910
That's what is being asked.

3288
01:58:46,530 --> 01:58:48,970
What specifically is the problem you see?

3289
01:58:49,050 --> 01:58:51,250
Because this isn't just, this is the vaccines

3290
01:58:51,250 --> 01:58:52,850
of the future, you're saying, just won't be

3291
01:58:52,850 --> 01:58:53,250
created.

3292
01:58:53,730 --> 01:58:56,510
Right, so Vinay Prasad, who is the head

3293
01:58:56,510 --> 01:58:59,330
of the Biologic Center, also oversees the vaccine

3294
01:58:59,330 --> 01:58:59,770
division.

3295
01:58:59,990 --> 01:59:01,430
He also has been appointed the head of

3296
01:59:01,430 --> 01:59:03,710
biostatistics, the chief medical officer of the agency

3297
01:59:03,710 --> 01:59:05,010
and chief scientific officer.

3298
01:59:05,190 --> 01:59:06,690
So he occupies a lot of positions.

3299
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:08,950
Put out a memo saying that they're going

3300
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:10,750
to do away with or move away from

3301
01:59:10,750 --> 01:59:12,270
what they call immunobridging studies.

3302
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:14,910
These are studies that allow you for well

3303
01:59:14,910 --> 01:59:17,730
-validated vaccines like the flu vaccine to be

3304
01:59:17,730 --> 01:59:19,790
able to demonstrate each year that the vaccine,

3305
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:22,510
the new vaccine that's formulated against the circulating

3306
01:59:22,510 --> 01:59:25,610
strain can elicit antibodies that are effective against

3307
01:59:25,610 --> 01:59:26,730
that particular strain.

3308
01:59:26,730 --> 01:59:28,370
And that could be the basis of approval,

3309
01:59:28,370 --> 01:59:30,750
rather than requiring new outcome studies every year

3310
01:59:30,750 --> 01:59:32,810
to prove that the vaccine actually reduces the

3311
01:59:32,810 --> 01:59:33,750
incidence of influenza.

3312
01:59:34,190 --> 01:59:36,310
For established vaccines, where we know that antibody

3313
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:38,930
production is a good correlate for immunity, this

3314
01:59:38,930 --> 01:59:40,190
has been a longstanding practice.

3315
01:59:40,430 --> 01:59:41,750
We do it for flu vaccine.

3316
01:59:42,130 --> 01:59:43,350
We do it in COVID, certainly.

3317
01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:47,110
We do it for things like pneumococcal vaccine,

3318
01:59:47,190 --> 01:59:49,110
the vaccine for pneumococcal disease, where we look

3319
01:59:49,110 --> 01:59:52,450
at serotypes, circulating bacterial serotypes.

3320
01:59:52,670 --> 01:59:55,330
This allows us to update vaccines as these

3321
01:59:55,330 --> 01:59:58,190
viral and bacterial strains change and as the

3322
01:59:58,190 --> 02:00:00,990
composition of the strains change in time to

3323
02:00:00,990 --> 02:00:03,110
provide protection for the fall respiratory season.

3324
02:00:03,470 --> 02:00:04,810
If they move away from this, which is

3325
02:00:04,810 --> 02:00:06,670
what he said they plan to do, we're

3326
02:00:06,670 --> 02:00:07,750
just not going to be able to update

3327
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:10,730
vaccines each season as we've done historically to

3328
02:00:10,730 --> 02:00:12,610
accommodate whatever the circulating strain is.

3329
02:00:12,750 --> 02:00:14,350
Which is a big moneymaker.

3330
02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:16,390
New COVID, new flu.

3331
02:00:16,850 --> 02:00:17,830
Especially the flu.

3332
02:00:18,190 --> 02:00:18,910
Every year.

3333
02:00:19,110 --> 02:00:21,250
How come they haven't eliminated the flu from

3334
02:00:21,250 --> 02:00:23,130
the human species?

3335
02:00:23,130 --> 02:00:25,690
They've been giving this shot out for 35

3336
02:00:25,690 --> 02:00:27,350
years, 40, 50 years.

3337
02:00:27,430 --> 02:00:28,570
I don't know how long it's been going

3338
02:00:28,570 --> 02:00:30,010
on, the flu shot.

3339
02:00:30,150 --> 02:00:32,970
Well, the final clip is, I think, a

3340
02:00:32,970 --> 02:00:35,090
good question, particularly in light of the new

3341
02:00:35,090 --> 02:00:38,010
summary, the new study that was just published

3342
02:00:38,010 --> 02:00:38,810
in Germany.

3343
02:00:39,210 --> 02:00:42,170
And 12 former FDA commissioners came out saying

3344
02:00:42,170 --> 02:00:44,290
they're deeply concerned about what is happening.

3345
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:49,390
That memo that made clear the changes that

3346
02:00:49,390 --> 02:00:52,730
are happening within the FDA from Dr. Prasad

3347
02:00:52,730 --> 02:00:54,190
was obtained by CBS.

3348
02:00:54,570 --> 02:00:57,930
And it claimed that career FDA staff are

3349
02:00:57,930 --> 02:01:00,070
making changes in part because they found at

3350
02:01:00,070 --> 02:01:02,630
least 10 children have died after and because

3351
02:01:02,630 --> 02:01:04,650
of receiving the COVID vaccine.

3352
02:01:05,190 --> 02:01:07,430
Referred to it as a profound revelation and

3353
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:10,150
said and asked, did it kill more healthy

3354
02:01:10,150 --> 02:01:11,390
kids than it saved?

3355
02:01:12,010 --> 02:01:13,770
The administration to date has not backed up

3356
02:01:13,770 --> 02:01:15,370
information to back up these claims.

3357
02:01:15,630 --> 02:01:18,770
But what questions do you have for the

3358
02:01:18,770 --> 02:01:19,630
FDA commissioner?

3359
02:01:19,630 --> 02:01:21,710
Because they're arguing they're doing this to help

3360
02:01:21,710 --> 02:01:22,170
people.

3361
02:01:22,170 --> 02:01:23,910
Do you like boys or girls?

3362
02:01:24,170 --> 02:01:25,570
Is the question I have for the commissioner.

3363
02:01:25,730 --> 02:01:27,210
First of all, one thing doesn't flow from

3364
02:01:27,210 --> 02:01:27,590
the next.

3365
02:01:27,730 --> 02:01:29,490
So the idea, if in fact they found

3366
02:01:29,490 --> 02:01:31,970
cases where the COVID vaccine was linked to

3367
02:01:31,970 --> 02:01:34,750
tragic deaths, it doesn't then follow that you

3368
02:01:34,750 --> 02:01:35,910
make these policy changes.

3369
02:01:36,050 --> 02:01:38,430
In fact, the policy changes wouldn't address what

3370
02:01:38,430 --> 02:01:40,770
their concerns are related to the COVID vaccine

3371
02:01:40,770 --> 02:01:41,450
itself.

3372
02:01:42,690 --> 02:01:45,170
Every case needs to be carefully adjudicated.

3373
02:01:45,370 --> 02:01:48,290
It's tragic to see any suspected case that

3374
02:01:48,290 --> 02:01:49,610
could be linked to a vaccine.

3375
02:01:50,130 --> 02:01:52,250
And these were looked at previously by the

3376
02:01:52,250 --> 02:01:52,530
FDA.

3377
02:01:52,930 --> 02:01:53,890
And that's indemnified.

3378
02:01:54,210 --> 02:01:55,290
Yep, that's exactly it.

3379
02:01:55,470 --> 02:01:57,670
Believe that the new FDA had access to

3380
02:01:57,670 --> 02:01:58,770
the case level data.

3381
02:01:59,330 --> 02:02:01,770
Analysis of cases, individual cases that get filed

3382
02:02:01,770 --> 02:02:03,330
with the agency where there is a death

3383
02:02:03,330 --> 02:02:04,630
in proximity to vaccination.

3384
02:02:04,830 --> 02:02:05,970
And some of these are filed by the

3385
02:02:05,970 --> 02:02:09,370
manufacturers themselves are very subjective and require the

3386
02:02:09,370 --> 02:02:10,830
goodwill of the people involved in that.

3387
02:02:10,950 --> 02:02:12,090
And so I think that they should make

3388
02:02:12,090 --> 02:02:14,550
that analysis public so it could be scrutinized

3389
02:02:14,550 --> 02:02:15,650
and people can get comforted.

3390
02:02:15,710 --> 02:02:17,110
They've already backed away from the 10.

3391
02:02:17,110 --> 02:02:20,110
There's reporting from endpoints that now they're saying

3392
02:02:20,110 --> 02:02:20,950
it's eight or nine.

3393
02:02:21,110 --> 02:02:22,730
So they're already backing away from it.

3394
02:02:22,810 --> 02:02:23,410
Oh, it's only eight or nine.

3395
02:02:23,410 --> 02:02:25,410
Okay, and AJ just said they will eventually

3396
02:02:25,410 --> 02:02:26,430
make that data public.

3397
02:02:26,610 --> 02:02:28,370
We'll look for it when it comes out.

3398
02:02:28,510 --> 02:02:30,610
Dr. Gottlieb, thank you for your analysis today.

3399
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:35,790
So the NIH on the NIH.gov website

3400
02:02:35,790 --> 02:02:39,150
have a study, regional patterns of excess mortality

3401
02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:42,570
in Germany during the COVID-19 pandemic, a

3402
02:02:42,570 --> 02:02:43,670
state level analysis.

3403
02:02:44,770 --> 02:02:46,110
And I'll just read this first line.

3404
02:02:46,110 --> 02:02:51,350
The study used a rigorous actuarial approach to

3405
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:55,390
estimate excess mortality across German federal states during

3406
02:02:55,390 --> 02:02:57,310
the first three years of the COVID-19

3407
02:02:57,310 --> 02:02:57,830
pandemic.

3408
02:02:58,070 --> 02:03:00,190
So we'll just shuttle ahead to the conclusion.

3409
02:03:00,570 --> 02:03:01,490
What's the most fun?

3410
02:03:02,090 --> 02:03:04,350
Based on the state of the art actuarial

3411
02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:07,350
methods, the present study demonstrates that Germany experienced

3412
02:03:07,350 --> 02:03:10,550
moderate average excess mortality during the first two

3413
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:13,610
years of the pandemic with substantial and temporarily

3414
02:03:13,610 --> 02:03:16,450
stable regional variation across federal states.

3415
02:03:17,210 --> 02:03:20,550
In the third pandemic year, excess mortality rose

3416
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:24,550
sharply, regional variation diminished, and the pattern of

3417
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:27,750
the most affected federal states shifted markedly.

3418
02:03:27,950 --> 02:03:32,150
The strong correlation between excess mortality and reported

3419
02:03:32,150 --> 02:03:34,910
COVID-19 deaths and infections during the first

3420
02:03:34,910 --> 02:03:37,410
two pandemic years suggests that regional differences in

3421
02:03:37,410 --> 02:03:40,210
COVID-19 burden may account for much of

3422
02:03:40,210 --> 02:03:41,270
the observed variation.

3423
02:03:41,410 --> 02:03:44,090
However, the increase in excess mortality during the

3424
02:03:44,090 --> 02:03:47,370
second year, despite a decrease in reported COVID

3425
02:03:47,370 --> 02:03:50,690
-19 deaths, indicates that COVID-19 alone cannot

3426
02:03:50,690 --> 02:03:52,570
fully explain excess mortality.

3427
02:03:53,490 --> 02:03:55,610
And then they just go ahead and say

3428
02:03:55,610 --> 02:04:00,110
it, that the correlation is to the vaccination

3429
02:04:00,110 --> 02:04:01,730
rate of 91%.

3430
02:04:04,460 --> 02:04:05,480
They're just saying it.

3431
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:07,780
The only thing we can find is that

3432
02:04:07,780 --> 02:04:10,980
91%, in some states, 97% of the

3433
02:04:10,980 --> 02:04:14,180
population were fully vaccinated, and that's why we

3434
02:04:14,180 --> 02:04:15,360
had excess mortality.

3435
02:04:15,660 --> 02:04:17,980
Which means more dead people than we usually

3436
02:04:17,980 --> 02:04:18,380
have.

3437
02:04:19,000 --> 02:04:21,220
Yeah, and this has been determined in South

3438
02:04:21,220 --> 02:04:21,620
Korea.

3439
02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:22,960
It's been determined in Japan.

3440
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:24,660
These same studies show up everywhere.

3441
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,460
Nobody wants to talk about it.

3442
02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:28,360
And to, I didn't clip it, but and

3443
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:31,080
to add insult to injury, Saturday Night Live

3444
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:36,080
last night had a whole sketch about COVID

3445
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:36,640
-19.

3446
02:04:37,060 --> 02:04:38,360
Oh, I got COVID, I want to stay

3447
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:38,660
home.

3448
02:04:38,780 --> 02:04:39,300
Oh, COVID.

3449
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:40,900
Yeah, you know what?

3450
02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:42,220
It felt just like having the flu for

3451
02:04:42,220 --> 02:04:42,580
three days.

3452
02:04:42,580 --> 02:04:46,220
The very people who were masked up and

3453
02:04:46,220 --> 02:04:49,400
telling you to get vaccinated, now they're making

3454
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:50,580
jokes about it.

3455
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:56,040
What a world, what a time to be

3456
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:56,460
alive.

3457
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,560
I'll tell you, around here, it still amuses

3458
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:02,620
me when I go to the hippy-dippy

3459
02:05:02,620 --> 02:05:03,460
vegetable place.

3460
02:05:03,460 --> 02:05:05,180
They're still wearing masks, aren't they?

3461
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:08,380
Not everybody, but you can kind of see,

3462
02:05:09,740 --> 02:05:14,160
they're dragging their, usually they've gotten febilized because

3463
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:17,140
they're breathing so much CO2 because the masks

3464
02:05:17,140 --> 02:05:20,480
don't really work in terms of exhaling.

3465
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:22,580
You can't get the bad air out of

3466
02:05:22,580 --> 02:05:22,800
there.

3467
02:05:23,500 --> 02:05:25,180
And it's just like, and they're wearing these

3468
02:05:25,180 --> 02:05:29,060
masks and they're all covered up and everything

3469
02:05:29,060 --> 02:05:34,440
except the screen, that clear shield, they don't

3470
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:35,240
have that on.

3471
02:05:35,860 --> 02:05:38,000
And they're wearing these masks and they're just

3472
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,760
wearing masks all the time.

3473
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:41,920
I don't get it.

3474
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:43,700
Check the calendar.

3475
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,260
I mean, this is years after the thing.

3476
02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:47,980
This is five years later.

3477
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,480
They have PTSD, this is trauma.

3478
02:05:50,660 --> 02:05:52,900
You should take pity on them and give

3479
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:53,420
them a hug.

3480
02:05:54,180 --> 02:05:56,040
You know, they should slap them.

3481
02:05:57,820 --> 02:06:00,640
A reminder that we have a lot more

3482
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:01,540
show coming up.

3483
02:06:01,620 --> 02:06:04,300
We will be thanking some people, specifically our

3484
02:06:04,300 --> 02:06:07,340
executive and associate executive producers, as I thank

3485
02:06:07,340 --> 02:06:08,300
you, John C.

3486
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:11,060
Dvorak, the man who put the C, or

3487
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:13,340
snuck a C, into the secretary of egg.

3488
02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:14,520
Here he is, everybody.

3489
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:15,660
Say hello to my friend on the other

3490
02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:18,200
end, the one, the only, Mr. John C.

3491
02:06:19,260 --> 02:06:19,580
Dvorak.

3492
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:21,800
Yeah.

3493
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:23,340
Well, good morning, Mr. Adam Currie.

3494
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:24,540
Good morning, Mr. Steve Lucidography.

3495
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:25,280
The air subs are wired.

3496
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:26,080
Dave's nice out there.

3497
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:27,660
In the morning to the trolls.

3498
02:06:27,740 --> 02:06:29,120
And the trolls, let me count them for

3499
02:06:29,120 --> 02:06:29,400
a second.

3500
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:33,840
We're creeping back up.

3501
02:06:33,900 --> 02:06:37,120
They're 1909 max troll peakage count who are

3502
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:37,920
listening live.

3503
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,600
At noagendastream.com or on one of the

3504
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:43,220
modern podcast apps, which you should check out

3505
02:06:43,220 --> 02:06:45,980
at podcastapps, plural, dot com.

3506
02:06:46,540 --> 02:06:48,280
And it's good to have the trolls here.

3507
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:50,980
I mean, they haven't really, they haven't written

3508
02:06:50,980 --> 02:06:53,420
any good lines for me, as you always

3509
02:06:53,420 --> 02:06:54,380
think they do.

3510
02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:56,720
No, you're the one that tells me that.

3511
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,100
Well, when they do, when they do, when

3512
02:07:00,100 --> 02:07:02,800
they do, but it's, no, it's, it's all

3513
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:04,120
just- They're not contributing today.

3514
02:07:04,260 --> 02:07:04,780
No, they're not.

3515
02:07:04,780 --> 02:07:08,480
They're not being productive citizens of troll land.

3516
02:07:08,780 --> 02:07:09,200
Not really.

3517
02:07:10,460 --> 02:07:13,960
But you can find them at trollroom.io

3518
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,800
or noagendastream.com.

3519
02:07:15,900 --> 02:07:19,220
This is a value for value podcast, which

3520
02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:22,080
we've been doing for well over 18 years.

3521
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,780
So take that everybody.

3522
02:07:25,340 --> 02:07:27,580
We're still here and we'll be here up

3523
02:07:27,580 --> 02:07:28,840
until the next impeachment.

3524
02:07:29,500 --> 02:07:29,920
I'm quitting.

3525
02:07:30,060 --> 02:07:31,280
Until his third impeachment.

3526
02:07:31,460 --> 02:07:32,120
I'm quitting.

3527
02:07:32,260 --> 02:07:33,960
If there's a third impeachment, I'm out.

3528
02:07:33,960 --> 02:07:35,140
I can't do it.

3529
02:07:35,180 --> 02:07:36,040
I can't do it anymore.

3530
02:07:36,220 --> 02:07:37,020
It's too much.

3531
02:07:38,420 --> 02:07:39,880
I'm going to say, I just stick around

3532
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:40,960
for the fourth impeachment.

3533
02:07:41,500 --> 02:07:43,400
They have time to get two more in.

3534
02:07:43,580 --> 02:07:45,800
It'll be easy to do that.

3535
02:07:46,360 --> 02:07:48,840
Hey, you can contribute your time, talent, and

3536
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:50,060
treasure to the show.

3537
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:53,740
And we love the talent part and the

3538
02:07:53,740 --> 02:07:55,380
time that people put into it, which is

3539
02:07:55,380 --> 02:07:58,780
increasingly diminishing because it's so easy to create

3540
02:07:58,780 --> 02:07:59,260
artwork.

3541
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:02,720
If you're wondering, just go ahead and ask

3542
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:03,420
Darren O'Neill.

3543
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:05,980
It didn't take him long to create the

3544
02:08:05,980 --> 02:08:08,000
artwork for episode 1822.

3545
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:10,100
Probably took him longer to upload it to

3546
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:14,940
noagendaartgenerator.com, which is our ongoing episodic contest

3547
02:08:14,940 --> 02:08:16,960
for who can create the best artwork that

3548
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:17,920
we use on the show.

3549
02:08:18,460 --> 02:08:21,900
And no doubt, he actually uploaded two and

3550
02:08:21,900 --> 02:08:23,580
we had a little conversation about which one

3551
02:08:23,580 --> 02:08:25,360
was better, but we both had to laugh

3552
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:29,660
about No Agenda large wieners, the packaged wieners,

3553
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:32,620
now 33% larger.

3554
02:08:33,340 --> 02:08:36,160
Uh, which, what was that from?

3555
02:08:36,280 --> 02:08:38,160
Oh, it was from our end of show

3556
02:08:38,160 --> 02:08:38,540
ISO.

3557
02:08:39,140 --> 02:08:40,160
Yeah, that's what it was.

3558
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:41,160
But it was good.

3559
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:42,700
We thought it was, I thought there were

3560
02:08:42,700 --> 02:08:44,180
a number of things that we looked at.

3561
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,360
noagendaartgenerator.com if you want to look along

3562
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,180
with us, take a look at- Yeah,

3563
02:08:49,180 --> 02:08:49,780
let's see what we had.

3564
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,220
There was a couple of things we liked.

3565
02:08:51,340 --> 02:08:55,560
So we had two packages of wieners and

3566
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:57,440
we talked about, you liked the yellow one

3567
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,960
initially, but I said, no, it has to

3568
02:08:58,960 --> 02:08:59,660
be a package.

3569
02:08:59,900 --> 02:09:01,740
And so- Well, it was not, it

3570
02:09:01,740 --> 02:09:02,640
was just a box.

3571
02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:04,340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3572
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:06,360
Which is actually- I like the coloring

3573
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:06,760
better.

3574
02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:09,140
The color, the color was better.

3575
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:09,740
All right.

3576
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:13,460
Yes, we got a huge AI blunder.

3577
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,360
Darren uploaded a matchbook which said Gen Zed

3578
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:21,740
proof, as we learned that some Gen Zedders

3579
02:09:21,740 --> 02:09:23,400
have issues striking matches.

3580
02:09:24,240 --> 02:09:27,600
But this was a huge blunder because it

3581
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,500
didn't have a striking surface on it.

3582
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:33,020
Now the one, yes.

3583
02:09:33,020 --> 02:09:35,360
Which could of course be a meta joke

3584
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:36,420
that they're Gen Zed proof.

3585
02:09:36,420 --> 02:09:37,600
It could have been a meta joke, we

3586
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:38,040
don't know.

3587
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,500
We also had the one you liked the

3588
02:09:41,500 --> 02:09:43,280
most, but we weren't going to use, was

3589
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,220
Bombs Away by Nick the Rat.

3590
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:50,540
With the two guys in the boat waving

3591
02:09:50,540 --> 02:09:51,680
and hoping- Looking at the missile.

3592
02:09:52,900 --> 02:09:53,720
Coming in.

3593
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,500
We also like Blue Acorns brought receipts.

3594
02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:00,500
Yeah, except the cross-eyed guy, it looks

3595
02:10:00,500 --> 02:10:04,840
like a cross-eyed stereotype of a Shakespearean

3596
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:05,360
Jew.

3597
02:10:06,420 --> 02:10:09,080
It was, no, that was not happening.

3598
02:10:09,820 --> 02:10:11,080
That was a little too much.

3599
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:13,480
It was more than we could even put

3600
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:13,880
up with.

3601
02:10:14,180 --> 02:10:14,880
Yeah, what else?

3602
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,280
A lot of dental jokes.

3603
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:19,020
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3604
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:20,220
Dental jokes.

3605
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:22,260
I love my dentist.

3606
02:10:22,460 --> 02:10:24,420
I ended up using the little dog, the

3607
02:10:24,420 --> 02:10:28,120
Blue Acorn dog in the chair sipping a

3608
02:10:28,120 --> 02:10:29,200
cup of hot chocolate.

3609
02:10:30,200 --> 02:10:32,700
I thought that was the cutest picture of

3610
02:10:32,700 --> 02:10:33,640
the whole group.

3611
02:10:33,820 --> 02:10:35,100
Yeah, it was cute for sure.

3612
02:10:35,220 --> 02:10:35,820
It was cute.

3613
02:10:36,220 --> 02:10:37,620
So I used it as their newsletter.

3614
02:10:37,900 --> 02:10:38,780
That's the term, yeah.

3615
02:10:40,540 --> 02:10:42,780
I kind of like the no agenda aggression

3616
02:10:42,780 --> 02:10:45,420
meter, but it was pretty bland.

3617
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:46,200
It was all Darren.

3618
02:10:47,700 --> 02:10:49,540
Darren, he's just figured this out.

3619
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,880
If anybody wants to hire a spot artist,

3620
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:53,920
just hire Darren.

3621
02:10:54,620 --> 02:10:54,960
Yeah.

3622
02:10:55,380 --> 02:10:56,840
I mean, he knows how to do it.

3623
02:10:56,860 --> 02:10:57,780
He'll crank it out too.

3624
02:10:57,920 --> 02:10:59,640
It'll come fast.

3625
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:02,100
Yeah, you'll get it right away.

3626
02:11:03,260 --> 02:11:04,220
NoahGenerator.com.

3627
02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:06,360
Thank you very much, Darren O'Neill, for

3628
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:08,780
bringing us the artwork for episode 18.

3629
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:10,700
What was it?

3630
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:12,080
1822.

3631
02:11:12,780 --> 02:11:15,500
And we titled that one Kohana, which is

3632
02:11:15,500 --> 02:11:17,660
the new name for Rohana, but we just

3633
02:11:17,660 --> 02:11:18,360
call him Kohana.

3634
02:11:19,560 --> 02:11:22,520
We always thank all of our producers who

3635
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:24,520
support us financially, which is the only way

3636
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:26,440
the show keeps on going, which is our

3637
02:11:26,440 --> 02:11:29,020
full-time day job and sometimes night job.

3638
02:11:29,020 --> 02:11:31,020
Weekend job and vacation job.

3639
02:11:31,420 --> 02:11:33,660
Because we work usually during most of the

3640
02:11:33,660 --> 02:11:36,680
important holidays, whenever we can, because stuff is

3641
02:11:36,680 --> 02:11:37,460
still going on.

3642
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:40,980
And we assign a special credit for those

3643
02:11:40,980 --> 02:11:42,740
who are fortunate enough to give us more

3644
02:11:42,740 --> 02:11:43,400
than $200.

3645
02:11:44,420 --> 02:11:45,460
$200 and above.

3646
02:11:45,580 --> 02:11:47,800
We will read your note and some of

3647
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:49,840
them do get a little bit extensive.

3648
02:11:50,700 --> 02:11:52,760
And we also give you a credit, which

3649
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:56,360
is Associate Executive Producer for this episode, which

3650
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:58,820
is good anywhere Hollywood credits are recognized, including

3651
02:11:58,820 --> 02:11:59,840
imdb.com.

3652
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:01,220
$300 or above.

3653
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:04,400
Executive Producer, you can display that proudly as

3654
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:09,920
Bob Dietrich can, who starts us off, Executive

3655
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:13,320
Producer with a mega boob, big boob, 8

3656
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:15,100
-0-0-0-8.

3657
02:12:15,380 --> 02:12:17,240
So $800 and 8 cents.

3658
02:12:18,200 --> 02:12:21,200
And he says, in fond tribute to the

3659
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:24,660
movie Total Recall, get your ass to Mars.

3660
02:12:25,220 --> 02:12:28,640
Enclosed is a mutant hooker boobs check for

3661
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:30,000
$800 and 8 cents.

3662
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:31,920
Please de-douche me.

3663
02:12:34,260 --> 02:12:35,780
You've been de-douched.

3664
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:37,220
Value for value, he says.

3665
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:40,600
My daughter, a struggling college student, is jumping

3666
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:43,040
in to support your value tainment goals.

3667
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:47,440
She is studying fashion merchandising and designs and

3668
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:48,980
sews her own fashions.

3669
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:52,460
Every quality clothing item or bag sold gets

3670
02:12:52,460 --> 02:12:55,140
a 10% discount for the producer and

3671
02:12:55,140 --> 02:12:57,380
an additional 10% kicked up to the

3672
02:12:57,380 --> 02:12:58,000
podfather.

3673
02:12:58,440 --> 02:12:59,480
Forget about it.

3674
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:04,240
Go to katedietrich.net, that's K-A-T

3675
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:07,260
-E-D-I-E-T-R-I-C

3676
02:13:07,260 --> 02:13:11,640
-H, katedietrich.net, and use promo code NOAGENDA.

3677
02:13:11,980 --> 02:13:14,500
A sample bag, overnight bag, is enclosed.

3678
02:13:15,120 --> 02:13:16,980
The shaving soaps are from me.

3679
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,240
Did you get said sample bag?

3680
02:13:19,260 --> 02:13:19,560
Yes.

3681
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:22,780
In fact, it was in a makeup bag

3682
02:13:22,780 --> 02:13:25,800
of her design, which she doesn't have on

3683
02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:27,540
her website, and she should, because it's a

3684
02:13:27,540 --> 02:13:30,960
really killer and Jay glommed onto it immediately,

3685
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:34,120
grabbed the makeup bag, because it's a beauty,

3686
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:36,160
and her stuff is in it.

3687
02:13:36,220 --> 02:13:38,200
If you go to her website, she's not

3688
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:40,780
only a talented designer and you can tell

3689
02:13:40,780 --> 02:13:42,200
she has kind of the- Oh, these

3690
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:42,720
are nice.

3691
02:13:43,060 --> 02:13:43,840
These are very nice.

3692
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:47,700
She could go a long ways, and right

3693
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:49,000
now she's cheap.

3694
02:13:49,740 --> 02:13:51,880
Her stuff is dirt cheap.

3695
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:53,860
Get it now while she's still cheap.

3696
02:13:54,420 --> 02:13:57,520
Get it now while she's cheap, because this,

3697
02:13:57,740 --> 02:14:01,680
she could easily have to raise prices, it

3698
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:02,420
seems to me.

3699
02:14:02,580 --> 02:14:05,940
She's very reasonable, and yeah, I would definitely,

3700
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:08,880
if you have any women out there listening,

3701
02:14:08,980 --> 02:14:11,040
should go to her website and check it

3702
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:12,120
out, and she should be a little more

3703
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:14,360
aggressive with her makeup bag, because the one

3704
02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:17,880
that she sent me with the shaving supplies

3705
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:21,040
in it is better looking than the one

3706
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:22,460
she's showing on her website.

3707
02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:23,360
It's just a killer.

3708
02:14:23,540 --> 02:14:24,620
What color is it?

3709
02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:25,940
Because they look very girly here.

3710
02:14:25,940 --> 02:14:26,660
It's a pattern.

3711
02:14:26,780 --> 02:14:27,400
It's not a color.

3712
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:31,640
It's just a dark pattern with all kinds

3713
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:32,560
of images on it.

3714
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:33,800
It's dynamite.

3715
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:34,560
I love it.

3716
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:35,820
She's got the chops, it's obvious.

3717
02:14:35,820 --> 02:14:37,360
I love anything that's made in America.

3718
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:38,280
I love it.

3719
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:39,680
Thank you very much.

3720
02:14:41,180 --> 02:14:43,000
Handmade in America by her, I guess.

3721
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:43,480
Yes.

3722
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:45,300
That's what I love about it.

3723
02:14:45,380 --> 02:14:47,680
Anything made in America is good with the

3724
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:48,480
No Agenda Show.

3725
02:14:50,160 --> 02:14:53,060
And thanks in advance, y'all, is Bob's

3726
02:14:53,060 --> 02:14:54,020
parting words.

3727
02:14:54,060 --> 02:14:54,400
Thank you.

3728
02:14:57,400 --> 02:15:00,940
Dame Mellivation, Mellivation, one of the two in

3729
02:15:00,940 --> 02:15:01,040
Colorado Springs.

3730
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:03,620
I think it's Mellivation, I think.

3731
02:15:04,540 --> 02:15:08,540
She's in Colorado Springs, 350 bucks.

3732
02:15:08,620 --> 02:15:10,520
And she also sent in a check in

3733
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:11,040
a note.

3734
02:15:11,820 --> 02:15:13,780
And the note says, if I can get

3735
02:15:13,780 --> 02:15:14,500
to the top of it.

3736
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:16,460
She has very legible handwriting.

3737
02:15:17,140 --> 02:15:18,440
Yeah, it's a printing.

3738
02:15:18,660 --> 02:15:24,160
It's a printing that is stylish in an

3739
02:15:24,160 --> 02:15:25,000
awkward way.

3740
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,820
I wouldn't call it advanced.

3741
02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:30,360
Dear Crack and Buzz, 350 bucks, I've been

3742
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,280
a miss in sending in some value for

3743
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:34,940
all the entertainment you provide on your comedy

3744
02:15:34,940 --> 02:15:35,560
podcast.

3745
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:37,560
Woo, baby!

3746
02:15:38,180 --> 02:15:38,580
Comedy.

3747
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:40,520
Please accept this bit of value from me

3748
02:15:40,520 --> 02:15:43,360
so you can keep going, making us laugh

3749
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:44,660
and keeping us centered.

3750
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:45,200
That's it.

3751
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:46,340
That's all I want to hear.

3752
02:15:46,940 --> 02:15:49,460
May I suggest a sub stack, Coffee and

3753
02:15:49,460 --> 02:15:51,980
COVID, Jeff Childess.

3754
02:15:52,060 --> 02:15:53,260
Okay, check it out.

3755
02:15:53,260 --> 02:15:55,840
I think Gitmo Nation will find it a

3756
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,740
complete, a complimentary analysis and no agenda show.

3757
02:15:58,820 --> 02:16:00,000
Plus the guy's a hoot.

3758
02:16:00,860 --> 02:16:04,120
Peace and blessings on you and your family's

3759
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:04,340
day.

3760
02:16:04,740 --> 02:16:06,400
Mellivation, Colorado Springs.

3761
02:16:07,500 --> 02:16:09,200
Melanie is a real name.

3762
02:16:09,420 --> 02:16:12,200
Jingle Obama, no, no, no chicken dance.

3763
02:16:28,190 --> 02:16:29,910
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

3764
02:16:30,250 --> 02:16:32,690
no, no, no, no, no, no.

3765
02:16:33,549 --> 02:16:35,889
Which leaves me with a rather long note

3766
02:16:35,889 --> 02:16:38,110
from Sir Adam of the Coke Empire in

3767
02:16:38,110 --> 02:16:38,889
Milton, Florida.

3768
02:16:39,809 --> 02:16:41,830
$343 and 75 cents.

3769
02:16:42,770 --> 02:16:43,610
Oh, boy.

3770
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:47,709
He says, to me, Donald Trump must have

3771
02:16:47,709 --> 02:16:49,770
been a big fan of Tom Clancy movies

3772
02:16:49,770 --> 02:16:51,549
and or books because he seems to be

3773
02:16:51,549 --> 02:16:53,270
living out the events of clear and present

3774
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:55,150
danger with his war on the Narcos.

3775
02:16:56,450 --> 02:16:57,770
I'd have to go watch that again.

3776
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:59,870
Do you recall the plot of?

3777
02:16:59,870 --> 02:17:02,370
That's the one where they had the missile

3778
02:17:02,370 --> 02:17:03,790
that blew up the guy's house.

3779
02:17:04,049 --> 02:17:04,270
Remember that?

3780
02:17:04,889 --> 02:17:05,370
Yeah.

3781
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:07,330
From a satellite or something.

3782
02:17:08,889 --> 02:17:11,170
I wonder if he will send covert troops

3783
02:17:11,170 --> 02:17:12,870
in like the movie and then get impeached

3784
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:15,110
for lying to the Senate Oversight Committee about

3785
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:16,889
sending troops in like the movie.

3786
02:17:16,990 --> 02:17:18,950
Anyway, Adam, your homework is to go watch

3787
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:19,410
that movie.

3788
02:17:19,610 --> 02:17:20,930
I have seen it, but I will watch

3789
02:17:20,930 --> 02:17:21,230
it again.

3790
02:17:21,410 --> 02:17:22,170
AI update.

3791
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:24,070
He's in the business.

3792
02:17:24,590 --> 02:17:28,290
Seems as though Microsoft has deployed CoPilot on

3793
02:17:28,290 --> 02:17:31,230
an enterprise level to customers like me with

3794
02:17:31,230 --> 02:17:34,309
the expectation that we, the company, create agents

3795
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:37,670
slash bots to use in our businesses that

3796
02:17:37,670 --> 02:17:38,910
they can take credit for.

3797
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:45,270
There's a divide between software tech bros and

3798
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:48,209
industry manufacturers where nobody on the tech side

3799
02:17:48,209 --> 02:17:51,150
knows diddly squat about how equipment operates or

3800
02:17:51,150 --> 02:17:53,809
anything in the manufacturing process works to be

3801
02:17:53,809 --> 02:17:55,969
able to use AI to create bots that

3802
02:17:55,969 --> 02:17:58,110
matter to get things done at the plant

3803
02:17:58,110 --> 02:17:58,450
level.

3804
02:17:59,209 --> 02:18:03,030
I think without significant automation results with AI

3805
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:05,090
over the next six months, large companies that

3806
02:18:05,090 --> 02:18:07,730
matter like the conglomerate I'm in will start

3807
02:18:07,730 --> 02:18:10,090
to turn the page on AI and the

3808
02:18:10,090 --> 02:18:14,010
fees that AWS, Microsoft, and Microsoft are charging

3809
02:18:14,010 --> 02:18:15,670
to use their software suite.

3810
02:18:16,030 --> 02:18:18,070
I don't see any rabbits being pulled out

3811
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:20,209
of hats very soon to justify the spend

3812
02:18:20,209 --> 02:18:21,709
from our side of the equation.

3813
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:26,070
Well, that's a pretty damning testimony.

3814
02:18:26,910 --> 02:18:27,770
I'd say.

3815
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:29,590
Yeah, and he's probably right.

3816
02:18:30,070 --> 02:18:31,129
Yeah, he probably is.

3817
02:18:31,290 --> 02:18:32,610
I gave in to my German wife over

3818
02:18:32,610 --> 02:18:35,030
the weekend and bought overly priced tickets to

3819
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:37,030
the World Cup for Germany's match against some

3820
02:18:37,030 --> 02:18:39,129
nobody country, Curaçao in Houston.

3821
02:18:39,930 --> 02:18:41,670
Oh, that should be a one-sided slaughter.

3822
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:42,809
Yeah, who wants to be a part of

3823
02:18:42,809 --> 02:18:42,909
it?

3824
02:18:42,909 --> 02:18:44,129
And you know what those tickets go for?

3825
02:18:44,770 --> 02:18:46,590
Oh, thousands probably.

3826
02:18:46,930 --> 02:18:49,610
Well, the basic ticket's 1,500 bucks.

3827
02:18:49,809 --> 02:18:50,270
Jeez.

3828
02:18:51,330 --> 02:18:54,370
Well, to see their Mannschaft play is always,

3829
02:18:54,370 --> 02:18:55,490
is a treat.

3830
02:18:55,490 --> 02:18:56,969
They are very good, the Germans.

3831
02:18:57,770 --> 02:18:59,330
I guess I'll do my part for the

3832
02:18:59,330 --> 02:19:00,450
new world order games.

3833
02:19:00,570 --> 02:19:02,170
The tickets are only available to be sent

3834
02:19:02,170 --> 02:19:04,129
to you via the FIFA World Cup app

3835
02:19:04,129 --> 02:19:06,350
and are tied to a digital ID system

3836
02:19:06,350 --> 02:19:07,110
of some sort.

3837
02:19:08,690 --> 02:19:10,790
Speaking of digital ID, check out the company

3838
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:11,709
Ping ID.

3839
02:19:11,889 --> 02:19:12,690
I think you'll like it.

3840
02:19:12,770 --> 02:19:14,650
Yes, Adam, another inside hint.

3841
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:15,650
Oh, okay.

3842
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:19,889
John, back when you played that New York

3843
02:19:19,889 --> 02:19:22,790
mayor victory speech, I noticed he told Cuomo

3844
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:24,830
he wished him well on his return to

3845
02:19:24,830 --> 02:19:25,770
private life.

3846
02:19:26,510 --> 02:19:29,350
The Soviet-era Bolsheviks referred to freedom as

3847
02:19:29,350 --> 02:19:30,230
the private life.

3848
02:19:30,670 --> 02:19:32,290
So anyway, that just proved to me that

3849
02:19:32,290 --> 02:19:34,570
the guy is a Marxist, diehard, Lenin-worshiping

3850
02:19:34,570 --> 02:19:35,049
douchebag.

3851
02:19:35,150 --> 02:19:36,690
Sorry, NYC, you're screwed.

3852
02:19:37,150 --> 02:19:41,469
Now it will probably smell like piss year

3853
02:19:41,469 --> 02:19:43,410
-round instead of just in the summer months.

3854
02:19:44,090 --> 02:19:46,430
Jingles, Coke Brothers and Two to the Head.

3855
02:19:46,610 --> 02:19:47,670
Well, we can do that.

3856
02:19:48,090 --> 02:19:49,790
We have both of those for you.

3857
02:19:50,030 --> 02:19:51,230
Coke Brothers!

3858
02:19:53,490 --> 02:19:56,570
And thank you very much, Mr. Adam of

3859
02:19:56,570 --> 02:19:57,330
the Coke Empire.

3860
02:19:58,770 --> 02:20:00,230
Christopher Graves is up.

3861
02:20:00,310 --> 02:20:04,170
He's in Mount Occam, California.

3862
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:07,630
He comes in as associate executive producer, $242,

3863
02:20:07,910 --> 02:20:10,430
and says, let's start with a quick shout

3864
02:20:10,430 --> 02:20:14,970
out to John from Auburn, California, who drove

3865
02:20:14,970 --> 02:20:19,290
to the candy shop today to say ITM.

3866
02:20:19,390 --> 02:20:20,630
Oh, how cool is that?

3867
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:21,250
Thank you for your courage.

3868
02:20:21,250 --> 02:20:24,370
At Little John's, we use four basic ingredients.

3869
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:25,630
It's Little John's.

3870
02:20:25,730 --> 02:20:26,850
Little John's candies.

3871
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:29,850
And I just hit a key and I,

3872
02:20:30,270 --> 02:20:30,770
there we go.

3873
02:20:31,210 --> 02:20:33,190
At Little John's, we use four basic ingredients

3874
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:35,250
to make our world-famous toffee addictive.

3875
02:20:35,770 --> 02:20:38,170
What could be better than milk chocolate and

3876
02:20:38,170 --> 02:20:38,490
almonds?

3877
02:20:38,990 --> 02:20:41,350
We don't need a bunch of food scientists

3878
02:20:41,350 --> 02:20:43,330
to tell us that when you take more

3879
02:20:43,330 --> 02:20:46,410
butter than sugar, cook it to perfection, most

3880
02:20:46,410 --> 02:20:49,370
luxurious milk chocolate with fresh ground California almonds,

3881
02:20:49,370 --> 02:20:51,350
you end up with an addictive treat.

3882
02:20:52,370 --> 02:20:54,930
So trying to keep this note short and

3883
02:20:54,930 --> 02:20:57,010
sweet, which you already haven't done, but it's

3884
02:20:57,010 --> 02:20:57,250
okay.

3885
02:20:57,350 --> 02:21:03,630
Go to littlejohnscandies.com, littlejohnscandies.com, and use

3886
02:21:03,630 --> 02:21:06,250
the code ITM plus 10 and save 10

3887
02:21:06,250 --> 02:21:09,250
% and donate 10%, we will, to Adam

3888
02:21:09,250 --> 02:21:12,330
and John, or they will via them.

3889
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:15,630
No jingles, no karma, just four more years.

3890
02:21:15,810 --> 02:21:18,710
So I'm presuming that if people keep buying,

3891
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:19,750
they'll just keep donating.

3892
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:22,850
And it's like the circularity is in effect.

3893
02:21:23,510 --> 02:21:24,350
I hope so.

3894
02:21:24,590 --> 02:21:25,490
Yeah, me too.

3895
02:21:25,890 --> 02:21:27,430
And it's an excellent product.

3896
02:21:27,710 --> 02:21:29,930
We're keeping it for when Tina and Kevin

3897
02:21:29,930 --> 02:21:31,210
are coming this year for Christmas.

3898
02:21:31,230 --> 02:21:34,150
So we're keeping, we already ate the turkeys.

3899
02:21:34,890 --> 02:21:34,990
Tina?

3900
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:36,230
Christina.

3901
02:21:36,910 --> 02:21:38,110
Yeah, Christina and Kevin are coming.

3902
02:21:38,570 --> 02:21:41,910
Hey, there's William Swenson in Bentonville, Arkansas.

3903
02:21:42,450 --> 02:21:42,730
No.

3904
02:21:43,810 --> 02:21:44,570
Yeah, Arkansas.

3905
02:21:44,750 --> 02:21:45,550
AR is Arkansas.

3906
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:46,650
Yes, Arkansas.

3907
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:48,570
Doesn't sound right.

3908
02:21:48,570 --> 02:21:49,070
Yeah, it is.

3909
02:21:49,350 --> 02:21:50,570
Yeah, what do you think it is?

3910
02:21:50,610 --> 02:21:51,130
I don't know.

3911
02:21:51,290 --> 02:21:55,930
It's $233.99. ITM gents, and I use

3912
02:21:55,930 --> 02:21:56,950
that term loosely.

3913
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:59,930
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

3914
02:22:00,630 --> 02:22:00,890
Please.

3915
02:22:02,990 --> 02:22:04,250
Let me ISO that.

3916
02:22:04,370 --> 02:22:05,250
That was kind of funny.

3917
02:22:06,950 --> 02:22:09,590
Please send birthday wishes to my fantastic mother

3918
02:22:09,590 --> 02:22:11,910
-in-law, Edie, in Bentonville, Arkansas, on her

3919
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:14,690
December 7th birthday on your December 7th show.

3920
02:22:15,010 --> 02:22:15,930
Happy birthday, Edie.

3921
02:22:15,930 --> 02:22:18,110
She punched me in the mouth a little

3922
02:22:18,110 --> 02:22:19,510
over a year ago, and I've been getting

3923
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:21,330
my amygdala shrunk a few hours at a

3924
02:22:21,330 --> 02:22:22,150
time ever since.

3925
02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:24,330
Edie is an avid listener and has availed

3926
02:22:24,330 --> 02:22:26,830
herself and our little family of many of

3927
02:22:26,830 --> 02:22:29,550
John's tips of the day, and she continues

3928
02:22:29,550 --> 02:22:31,510
to be loving and supporting of us as

3929
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:33,870
well as an amazing grandmother to our three

3930
02:22:33,870 --> 02:22:34,310
teens.

3931
02:22:34,670 --> 02:22:37,110
Happy born-iversary, mom.

3932
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:42,350
So Adam and John, please accept my row

3933
02:22:42,350 --> 02:22:42,850
of ducks.

3934
02:22:42,990 --> 02:22:44,830
Oh, I guess that was a two, two,

3935
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:45,210
two.

3936
02:22:46,110 --> 02:22:47,290
And de-douche me.

3937
02:22:48,850 --> 02:22:50,630
You've been de-douched.

3938
02:22:52,970 --> 02:22:54,050
He also...

3939
02:22:54,050 --> 02:22:55,170
Hold on a second.

3940
02:22:55,330 --> 02:22:58,170
I seem to have lost my pad there.

3941
02:22:58,850 --> 02:23:01,790
He also wants the Trump jobs clip from

3942
02:23:01,790 --> 02:23:04,470
my business, William the Window Washer, in northwest

3943
02:23:04,470 --> 02:23:07,470
Arkansas, and the not-so-good Rev. Al

3944
02:23:07,470 --> 02:23:09,350
Spell respect for Edie.

3945
02:23:09,470 --> 02:23:11,590
Thank you for your attention to this matter,

3946
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:13,430
and he winds it up with a good

3947
02:23:13,430 --> 02:23:14,390
old Jew donation.

3948
02:23:14,390 --> 02:23:16,250
Shalom, y'all.

3949
02:23:16,270 --> 02:23:19,170
Jobs, jobs, jobs.

3950
02:23:26,360 --> 02:23:27,000
Boom.

3951
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:34,820
Sir, 23's Night of the Electric something.

3952
02:23:39,960 --> 02:23:43,280
He's in Derbyshire, UK, Buxton, actually.

3953
02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:43,960
Yes, yes.

3954
02:23:44,300 --> 02:23:47,200
$230.23, and he says, ITM, gentlemen, and

3955
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:49,700
thank you for your outstanding product.

3956
02:23:49,860 --> 02:23:50,240
You're welcome.

3957
02:23:50,300 --> 02:23:52,920
These 23's on show 1823 will bring me

3958
02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:53,500
to Baronet.

3959
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:56,800
Please upgrade me accordingly, as I'm not sure

3960
02:23:56,800 --> 02:24:00,580
whether Baronet replaces Sir or Knight.

3961
02:24:00,700 --> 02:24:01,760
In my name, do whatever you want.

3962
02:24:03,260 --> 02:24:04,700
Sir Baronet is fine.

3963
02:24:05,340 --> 02:24:05,460
Adam.

3964
02:24:06,060 --> 02:24:06,460
Adam.

3965
02:24:06,580 --> 02:24:08,960
Is there any chance you could include some

3966
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:11,180
old jingles at the end of the show

3967
02:24:11,180 --> 02:24:14,340
whenever there aren't, you know, aren't enough things

3968
02:24:14,340 --> 02:24:14,820
to play?

3969
02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:17,960
No, just request them in your donation segment.

3970
02:24:18,100 --> 02:24:18,880
That's where they belong.

3971
02:24:19,220 --> 02:24:20,880
We don't, we don't leave them there for

3972
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:22,220
other shows to steal.

3973
02:24:23,180 --> 02:24:25,280
On that note, can I please get a

3974
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:29,440
Pelosi shut up for AI songs and a

3975
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:32,300
little girl, yay, and karma for all the

3976
02:24:32,300 --> 02:24:36,900
producers, particularly Carl with a K, from Who

3977
02:24:36,900 --> 02:24:37,980
Are These Podcasts?

3978
02:24:38,020 --> 02:24:38,820
Ah, our buddies.

3979
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:43,380
As he fights stuttering John's $850,000 LOL

3980
02:24:43,380 --> 02:24:44,520
suit against him.

3981
02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:45,640
I never heard of that.

3982
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:47,060
LOL suit.

3983
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:49,500
I didn't hear about that.

3984
02:24:49,860 --> 02:24:51,000
LOL suit.

3985
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,500
Oh, we need details.

3986
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:53,600
What's going on with that?

3987
02:24:53,620 --> 02:24:53,880
I need details.

3988
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,320
I'd love to hear you back on that

3989
02:24:56,320 --> 02:24:56,860
show, John.

3990
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:57,820
Thank you for your courage.

3991
02:24:57,960 --> 02:25:00,540
Four more years, Sir 23's, Knight of the

3992
02:25:00,540 --> 02:25:02,300
Electric Sea, High Peak, UK.

3993
02:25:02,740 --> 02:25:03,400
Shut up.

3994
02:25:06,620 --> 02:25:08,240
You've got karma.

3995
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:11,680
I wonder what this lawsuit was about, if

3996
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:12,300
there is one.

3997
02:25:12,460 --> 02:25:12,980
I don't know.

3998
02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:18,220
222.23 from Gary Marcy in Renton, Washington.

3999
02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:22,500
All he says is USA, USA, USA.

4000
02:25:24,180 --> 02:25:24,980
Thank you.

4001
02:25:26,180 --> 02:25:28,160
Followed by Eli the Coffee Guy.

4002
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:33,680
Comes in 212.07. Last show you covered

4003
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:35,820
pardon of the, you covered the pardon of

4004
02:25:35,820 --> 02:25:38,000
the Honduran president.

4005
02:25:38,340 --> 02:25:40,600
It lined up a little, it lined up

4006
02:25:40,600 --> 02:25:42,500
a little too neatly.

4007
02:25:42,980 --> 02:25:46,540
With a new asylum deal that Honduras is

4008
02:25:46,540 --> 02:25:49,720
taking claimants who allegedly filed in the U

4009
02:25:49,720 --> 02:25:54,120
.S. Already filed, already filed in the U

4010
02:25:54,120 --> 02:25:55,740
.S. Not allegedly, already.

4011
02:25:56,300 --> 02:26:00,060
So there is a suspicious activity he's pointing

4012
02:26:00,060 --> 02:26:00,320
out.

4013
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:00,740
Yes.

4014
02:26:01,100 --> 02:26:03,920
Administration is now deporting folks from Central and

4015
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,660
South America off to Honduras en masse.

4016
02:26:07,180 --> 02:26:09,000
Funny how these things tend to sync up.

4017
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:10,120
I hear the weather's nice.

4018
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:11,920
Hey, the weather's nice there.

4019
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:13,580
I'm sure it is.

4020
02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:21,460
Plus, plus the probable, probably had a good

4021
02:26:21,460 --> 02:26:23,060
info about the drug money as well.

4022
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:24,760
Thanks to you two for cutting through the

4023
02:26:24,760 --> 02:26:26,720
noise while the rest of the media chases

4024
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:27,420
distractions.

4025
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:31,780
Honduras also grows my drugs.

4026
02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:32,240
What?

4027
02:26:32,580 --> 02:26:33,540
My drug of choice.

4028
02:26:33,980 --> 02:26:34,960
Oh, his drug of choice.

4029
02:26:35,060 --> 02:26:35,320
Okay.

4030
02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:38,480
Coffee, ah, and our enduring organic is the

4031
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:39,120
good stuff, man.

4032
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:41,840
The Honduran, which I think I have had,

4033
02:26:41,880 --> 02:26:42,580
is quite good.

4034
02:26:43,700 --> 02:26:47,160
So visit gigawidecoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20

4035
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:48,280
for 20% off your order.

4036
02:26:48,380 --> 02:26:49,060
You'll be hooked.

4037
02:26:49,400 --> 02:26:51,240
Stay caffeinated, Eli the coffee guy.

4038
02:26:51,780 --> 02:26:54,520
William Wild is in Baltimore, Maryland, almost winding

4039
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:55,340
out the list here.

4040
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:58,960
$210.60. He says, Merry Christmas to you

4041
02:26:58,960 --> 02:26:59,220
both.

4042
02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:01,480
Thanks for all the good insight and laughs

4043
02:27:01,480 --> 02:27:02,040
this year.

4044
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:04,400
Yes, we are accepting early Christmas gifts.

4045
02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:05,020
Thank you.

4046
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:07,560
Boom, Linda Lou Patkins.

4047
02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:09,340
She's now in Castle Rock, Colorado.

4048
02:27:10,220 --> 02:27:12,300
You know, she's changed her location.

4049
02:27:12,580 --> 02:27:13,860
Yeah, we need some info about that.

4050
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:14,640
Yeah, what happened?

4051
02:27:14,780 --> 02:27:16,120
$200, Jobs Karma.

4052
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:18,140
Give the gift of a resume that gets

4053
02:27:18,140 --> 02:27:18,480
results.

4054
02:27:18,620 --> 02:27:20,820
Go to imagemakersinc.com for all your executive

4055
02:27:20,820 --> 02:27:23,540
resume and job search needs.

4056
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:27,020
That's Image Makers Inc with a K and

4057
02:27:27,020 --> 02:27:29,840
work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and

4058
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:32,160
writer of winning resumes.

4059
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:36,000
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

4060
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:37,660
Let's vote for Jobs.

4061
02:27:40,100 --> 02:27:40,540
Karma.

4062
02:27:40,940 --> 02:27:41,580
I gave her a goat.

4063
02:27:42,540 --> 02:27:43,840
Added a goat for you, Linda.

4064
02:27:44,220 --> 02:27:44,680
Catherine J.

4065
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:48,040
McCloskey is in Brookline, Massachusetts.

4066
02:27:48,320 --> 02:27:51,020
$200, Associate Executive Producer title for you.

4067
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:52,840
And she says, Merry Christmas.

4068
02:27:53,240 --> 02:27:53,640
Thank you.

4069
02:27:53,820 --> 02:27:54,720
Merry Christmas to you.

4070
02:27:56,480 --> 02:27:59,920
And then we come to Sean Brennan in

4071
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:01,520
Avon, Indiana.

4072
02:28:02,140 --> 02:28:02,580
$200.

4073
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:03,680
And that came in as a check.

4074
02:28:03,740 --> 02:28:05,100
So there's a note attached and it's on

4075
02:28:05,100 --> 02:28:06,520
a piece of paper and it says, John

4076
02:28:06,520 --> 02:28:08,320
and Adam, this is back at ya.

4077
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:11,140
Switcheroo for Jeff Holman.

4078
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:14,300
There's a switcheroo, Jeff Holman in Roanoke.

4079
02:28:15,240 --> 02:28:17,580
Sadly, our professional journey together is at an

4080
02:28:17,580 --> 02:28:17,840
end.

4081
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:21,500
Hopefully, our no agenda journey will continue for

4082
02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:22,160
years.

4083
02:28:22,540 --> 02:28:23,940
And this, of course, is a pun because

4084
02:28:23,940 --> 02:28:25,120
he spells it F-O-U-R.

4085
02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:26,800
Sean Brennan donation, $200.

4086
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:28,680
So, but it's Jeff Holman.

4087
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:30,660
Yeah, it's for Jeff Holman.

4088
02:28:30,740 --> 02:28:31,280
Jeff Holman.

4089
02:28:31,660 --> 02:28:32,040
Okay.

4090
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:32,860
All right.

4091
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:34,120
Got it.

4092
02:28:34,320 --> 02:28:34,860
Hey, that's it.

4093
02:28:34,860 --> 02:28:37,360
That locks it up for our executive and

4094
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:41,100
associate executive producers for episode 1823.

4095
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:44,640
1,823 episodes of the best podcast in

4096
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:45,880
the universe produced so far.

4097
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,020
With many more to come up until that

4098
02:28:48,020 --> 02:28:48,440
impeachment.

4099
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:52,000
Again, all of you receive these very exclusive

4100
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,560
executive and associate executive producership titles.

4101
02:28:54,680 --> 02:28:56,160
They're good at imdb.com.

4102
02:28:56,600 --> 02:28:59,480
Support us any amount, anytime, whenever you feel

4103
02:28:59,480 --> 02:28:59,800
like it.

4104
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:01,080
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4105
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:03,060
send back that amount of value you got

4106
02:29:03,060 --> 02:29:04,980
to noagendadonations.com.

4107
02:29:05,420 --> 02:29:06,680
noagendadonations.com.

4108
02:29:06,880 --> 02:29:08,020
Our formula is this.

4109
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:11,350
We hit people in the mouth.

4110
02:29:25,180 --> 02:29:29,120
Got a boots on the ground note regarding

4111
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:33,100
the Airbus computer issue.

4112
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,060
You remember they grounded almost all of the

4113
02:29:36,060 --> 02:29:36,440
Airbus.

4114
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:40,120
Yes, I'm a computer engineer who specializes in

4115
02:29:40,120 --> 02:29:42,040
embedded firmware development.

4116
02:29:42,820 --> 02:29:44,440
Are we the best podcast in the universe

4117
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:44,920
or what?

4118
02:29:45,580 --> 02:29:47,740
We got somebody who has an expertise for

4119
02:29:47,740 --> 02:29:48,420
everything.

4120
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:49,120
It's amazing.

4121
02:29:49,340 --> 02:29:51,420
And it is your obligation as a producer

4122
02:29:51,420 --> 02:29:53,440
of the no agenda show to always let

4123
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:53,820
us know.

4124
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:55,800
If you have expertise, report back.

4125
02:29:55,980 --> 02:29:56,600
Don't see if they go.

4126
02:29:58,840 --> 02:30:00,580
No, you send it to us.

4127
02:30:00,840 --> 02:30:02,560
While I don't work in aviation, I can

4128
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:05,200
tell you that solar radiation flipping a bit

4129
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:08,320
in flight control systems is not something that

4130
02:30:08,320 --> 02:30:11,340
should be getting fixed via a software update

4131
02:30:11,340 --> 02:30:13,200
or downgrade as it was in this case.

4132
02:30:13,620 --> 02:30:17,200
To be clear, this phenomenon is very real

4133
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:19,640
and has been known about for airplanes, satellites,

4134
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:21,760
et cetera, for a very long time.

4135
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:23,860
The way it is avoided is with something

4136
02:30:23,860 --> 02:30:27,320
called a lockstep processor, where two or more

4137
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:30,640
processors conduct the same calculations and operations at

4138
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:33,100
the same time and are checked against each

4139
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:34,880
other before the code executes.

4140
02:30:35,540 --> 02:30:37,260
This makes me think that someone is being

4141
02:30:37,260 --> 02:30:39,180
negligent in implementation.

4142
02:30:39,660 --> 02:30:42,620
You don't think the only way that ECC

4143
02:30:42,620 --> 02:30:45,760
memory or lockstep computation should fail is if

4144
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,320
you get two bits flipped, one on each

4145
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:51,920
processor in the exact same place, or if

4146
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:54,440
the error correction codes on the ECC are

4147
02:30:54,440 --> 02:30:57,400
crap and have collisions where flipped a bit

4148
02:30:57,400 --> 02:31:00,160
inappropriately evaluates another valid number.

4149
02:31:00,500 --> 02:31:02,980
Ultra rare and software won't save you here.

4150
02:31:03,460 --> 02:31:05,500
This does not pass the smell test.

4151
02:31:05,900 --> 02:31:08,800
Very suspicious that a bad update would break

4152
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:11,280
these fundamental checks against solar radiation.

4153
02:31:12,580 --> 02:31:13,560
So there you go.

4154
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:14,400
They lying.

4155
02:31:15,460 --> 02:31:16,920
But at least interesting.

4156
02:31:17,260 --> 02:31:17,700
Oh, yeah.

4157
02:31:17,780 --> 02:31:19,900
Well, probably, I guess that's why you revert

4158
02:31:19,900 --> 02:31:24,260
because the reversion had this covered properly and

4159
02:31:24,260 --> 02:31:26,240
the update was incompetent.

4160
02:31:27,020 --> 02:31:27,420
Exactly.

4161
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:28,780
But it shouldn't have.

4162
02:31:28,840 --> 02:31:30,240
He's kind of saying it shouldn't have even

4163
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:31,200
happened at all.

4164
02:31:33,800 --> 02:31:35,580
No, I don't think he said that.

4165
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:36,100
He says it.

4166
02:31:36,400 --> 02:31:37,180
Well, that's what he said.

4167
02:31:38,420 --> 02:31:43,500
But the software fix, it could be that

4168
02:31:43,500 --> 02:31:46,400
this system is in place, but the software

4169
02:31:46,400 --> 02:31:48,500
fix bypassed it in some way.

4170
02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:48,900
Somehow.

4171
02:31:49,140 --> 02:31:50,180
The new software.

4172
02:31:50,700 --> 02:31:51,540
It didn't know.

4173
02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:53,120
The guy who was putting it and implementing

4174
02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:54,320
it didn't know what he was doing.

4175
02:31:54,420 --> 02:31:55,220
How to make that work.

4176
02:31:55,260 --> 02:31:56,040
What is this code?

4177
02:31:56,040 --> 02:31:57,140
Let me comment that out.

4178
02:31:57,200 --> 02:31:57,880
It's annoying.

4179
02:31:58,600 --> 02:32:00,040
It's bit flipping code.

4180
02:32:00,140 --> 02:32:01,200
Yeah, that's exactly right.

4181
02:32:01,220 --> 02:32:02,920
Just have a little story.

4182
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:06,300
So George Morrow was making all this.

4183
02:32:06,620 --> 02:32:07,980
Wait, who's George Morrow?

4184
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:09,400
George Morrow is a guy who did the

4185
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:09,820
micro.

4186
02:32:10,400 --> 02:32:12,400
So he did a bunch of computers back

4187
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:13,680
in the eight bit era.

4188
02:32:14,020 --> 02:32:17,140
And he did a couple of fantastic laptops

4189
02:32:17,140 --> 02:32:18,060
and including a couple.

4190
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:20,300
I think he designed for Zenith.

4191
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:22,620
Zenith was a big laptop provider back in

4192
02:32:22,620 --> 02:32:22,940
the day.

4193
02:32:23,260 --> 02:32:23,680
Yeah.

4194
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:27,640
And he put together a laptop, a super

4195
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:30,400
thin laptop that they sent to Korea for

4196
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:30,980
production.

4197
02:32:31,800 --> 02:32:33,380
And it was all set up.

4198
02:32:33,440 --> 02:32:34,340
Everything was working fine.

4199
02:32:34,340 --> 02:32:35,020
It came back.

4200
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:36,540
It wouldn't run for crap.

4201
02:32:36,660 --> 02:32:38,100
It was a piece of junk.

4202
02:32:38,340 --> 02:32:40,160
They were slow.

4203
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:42,640
And he had to go into the code

4204
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:42,960
base.

4205
02:32:43,020 --> 02:32:45,640
And he found that they had bypassed an

4206
02:32:45,640 --> 02:32:48,060
algorithm that was put in there specifically to

4207
02:32:48,060 --> 02:32:49,760
keep this thing running at a high clip.

4208
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:53,040
Because some software designers looked at it and

4209
02:32:53,040 --> 02:32:54,660
said, I don't get what this is for.

4210
02:32:54,780 --> 02:32:55,500
Why it's here?

4211
02:32:55,580 --> 02:32:56,960
Why don't we just go around it?

4212
02:32:58,520 --> 02:32:59,520
Yeah, that happens.

4213
02:33:00,300 --> 02:33:01,640
Hey, that's what people do.

4214
02:33:02,300 --> 02:33:04,440
So I also got to talk about best

4215
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:05,560
producers in the universe.

4216
02:33:06,340 --> 02:33:08,620
One of our producers is very close to

4217
02:33:08,620 --> 02:33:13,460
the company that does the detection of music

4218
02:33:13,460 --> 02:33:17,780
rights in these AI music companies.

4219
02:33:18,020 --> 02:33:20,160
And we were wondering how they do that.

4220
02:33:20,160 --> 02:33:24,060
How can they detect who owns what in

4221
02:33:24,060 --> 02:33:26,800
these songs that are created on Suno, etc.

4222
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:29,660
And I'd like to share this, the relevant

4223
02:33:29,660 --> 02:33:32,120
paragraphs here from his email.

4224
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:34,300
Because this is really fascinating.

4225
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:35,960
So what they do is they run a

4226
02:33:35,960 --> 02:33:38,480
very small and targeted model for each of

4227
02:33:38,480 --> 02:33:42,140
the rights holders with agents that focus on

4228
02:33:42,140 --> 02:33:44,300
notes, text, and tone.

4229
02:33:45,020 --> 02:33:47,080
They sit in the middle of the queries

4230
02:33:47,080 --> 02:33:51,420
from the AI companies, like Suno, OpenAI, etc.

4231
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:54,080
And send an agent to probe a model

4232
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:57,180
that identifies the result of the prompt before

4233
02:33:57,180 --> 02:33:59,080
it's delivered back to the user.

4234
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:02,800
So Darren O'Neill, if you're typing in

4235
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:04,820
something, then there's a little agent there that's

4236
02:34:04,820 --> 02:34:05,680
going to check it.

4237
02:34:06,660 --> 02:34:09,700
Then it sends it over to the mini

4238
02:34:09,700 --> 02:34:10,820
license model.

4239
02:34:10,820 --> 02:34:13,060
So if Sony owns the IP or John

4240
02:34:13,060 --> 02:34:14,160
Denver estate, etc.

4241
02:34:14,500 --> 02:34:16,520
Then the agent will run an engine that

4242
02:34:16,520 --> 02:34:18,860
puts together an algo that assigns a percentage

4243
02:34:18,860 --> 02:34:23,040
of likelihood and probability against the content.

4244
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:24,340
So they don't even know for sure.

4245
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:26,780
For example, the user asked for a song

4246
02:34:26,780 --> 02:34:28,460
in the style of John Denver with lyrics

4247
02:34:28,460 --> 02:34:29,260
about a cat.

4248
02:34:29,660 --> 02:34:31,340
Some percent of the lyrics will be taken

4249
02:34:31,340 --> 02:34:33,120
from other John Denver songs.

4250
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:35,080
Like if the verse starts with, take me

4251
02:34:35,080 --> 02:34:36,060
home, silly cat.

4252
02:34:36,460 --> 02:34:38,600
Then to take me home part would go

4253
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:39,740
towards that percentage.

4254
02:34:39,740 --> 02:34:40,900
Oh my goodness.

4255
02:34:41,960 --> 02:34:43,820
They add up the percentages from the review

4256
02:34:43,820 --> 02:34:45,280
and come up with a figure that is

4257
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:47,120
then applied to the licensing fee.

4258
02:34:47,220 --> 02:34:49,140
So if the estate says we're going to

4259
02:34:49,140 --> 02:34:51,160
charge one cent for each time an AI

4260
02:34:51,160 --> 02:34:53,900
model presents a user with one of our

4261
02:34:53,900 --> 02:34:56,980
songs, the system looks at what the AI

4262
02:34:56,980 --> 02:34:59,680
spits out, decides that the result is 75

4263
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:02,600
% based on John Denver IP, and sends

4264
02:35:02,600 --> 02:35:07,540
a bill to OpenAI for $0.0075. So

4265
02:35:07,540 --> 02:35:10,080
three quarters of a penny.

4266
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:11,580
This is crazy.

4267
02:35:12,660 --> 02:35:14,940
They can also take multiple IP owners and

4268
02:35:14,940 --> 02:35:15,680
do the same thing.

4269
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:17,460
So if the result to the user is

4270
02:35:17,460 --> 02:35:20,280
10% from ACDC, 25% from Stephen

4271
02:35:20,280 --> 02:35:23,120
Sondheim, and 60% from the Warner Music

4272
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:25,480
Group, they can take that amount, bill OpenAI,

4273
02:35:25,620 --> 02:35:27,160
then distribute it to the rights holders.

4274
02:35:27,540 --> 02:35:29,440
They take a small percentage of the exchange,

4275
02:35:29,540 --> 02:35:29,820
of course.

4276
02:35:30,100 --> 02:35:32,020
And when you take a small percentage of

4277
02:35:32,020 --> 02:35:33,820
billions of queries a day, it adds up

4278
02:35:33,820 --> 02:35:34,640
to a lot of money.

4279
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:36,520
So they're taking...

4280
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:39,080
So I get from this, they're just guessing.

4281
02:35:39,440 --> 02:35:45,020
They've got likelihood, probability, and similarity as their

4282
02:35:45,020 --> 02:35:45,460
model.

4283
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:47,800
This thing is nuts.

4284
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:50,040
But...

4285
02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:51,760
I don't think anyone's going to push back

4286
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:52,360
on it.

4287
02:35:54,200 --> 02:35:54,440
Who?

4288
02:35:54,660 --> 02:35:55,120
I'm sorry?

4289
02:35:55,580 --> 02:35:58,240
I don't think that the companies will push

4290
02:35:58,240 --> 02:35:58,880
back on it.

4291
02:35:59,000 --> 02:35:59,980
No, not at all.

4292
02:36:00,100 --> 02:36:00,760
No, they'll take it.

4293
02:36:00,780 --> 02:36:01,640
This is okay.

4294
02:36:01,740 --> 02:36:03,100
You guys do the calculation.

4295
02:36:03,240 --> 02:36:04,280
We'll send you your 45 cents.

4296
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:04,780
Yeah, we'll send you your money.

4297
02:36:04,980 --> 02:36:05,160
Yeah.

4298
02:36:05,160 --> 02:36:06,500
Yeah, we'll send you the money.

4299
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:08,860
So there you go.

4300
02:36:08,900 --> 02:36:09,620
The more you know.

4301
02:36:10,660 --> 02:36:12,260
That is a more you know story.

4302
02:36:12,380 --> 02:36:13,040
I've got a...

4303
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:14,940
I've got an interesting couple of clips here.

4304
02:36:15,100 --> 02:36:15,440
Okay.

4305
02:36:15,900 --> 02:36:17,300
This doesn't cover by anybody.

4306
02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:19,500
This is one of my wow clips.

4307
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:20,480
This is the new army.

4308
02:36:20,540 --> 02:36:22,020
You know about the new army command?

4309
02:36:22,220 --> 02:36:25,380
We kind of discussed a part of the

4310
02:36:25,380 --> 02:36:26,140
Monroe Doctrine.

4311
02:36:26,220 --> 02:36:27,820
The new army command is all part of

4312
02:36:27,820 --> 02:36:27,980
this.

4313
02:36:28,100 --> 02:36:30,740
And this is only covered by NPR.

4314
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,960
The Pentagon has created a new army command

4315
02:36:33,960 --> 02:36:34,940
at Fort Bragg.

4316
02:36:35,160 --> 02:36:37,520
As Jay Price reports, it's part of the

4317
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:41,440
Trump administration's increasing foreign policy focus on the

4318
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:43,160
Americas and border security.

4319
02:36:43,700 --> 02:36:45,820
It's called the U.S. Army Western Hemisphere

4320
02:36:45,820 --> 02:36:46,240
Command.

4321
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:49,720
During the ceremony marking its creation, its first

4322
02:36:49,720 --> 02:36:53,300
commander, General Joseph Ryan, said building it the

4323
02:36:53,300 --> 02:36:55,180
right way was crucial for the nation.

4324
02:36:55,400 --> 02:36:57,960
When we succeed, we will be proud to

4325
02:36:57,960 --> 02:37:00,420
serve in a theater army that is ready

4326
02:37:00,420 --> 02:37:03,480
for the myriad tasks that our nation's priority

4327
02:37:03,480 --> 02:37:05,080
theater requires.

4328
02:37:05,340 --> 02:37:07,360
Creating the command is in line with the

4329
02:37:07,360 --> 02:37:10,240
new national security strategy the White House released

4330
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:11,060
this week.

4331
02:37:11,340 --> 02:37:14,320
It says the United States will prioritize dominance

4332
02:37:14,320 --> 02:37:17,040
in the security and economics of the Western

4333
02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:17,560
Hemisphere.

4334
02:37:18,160 --> 02:37:20,740
For NPR News, I'm Jay Price at Fort

4335
02:37:20,740 --> 02:37:22,100
Bragg, North Carolina.

4336
02:37:23,220 --> 02:37:24,480
Space Force.

4337
02:37:24,780 --> 02:37:26,200
Wow, new army.

4338
02:37:26,480 --> 02:37:27,600
New army command.

4339
02:37:28,420 --> 02:37:29,580
Yeah, that's a big deal.

4340
02:37:29,580 --> 02:37:33,560
That means they get sent wherever they need

4341
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:33,940
to go?

4342
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:35,240
Is that what I understand?

4343
02:37:35,400 --> 02:37:36,940
In the Western Hemisphere.

4344
02:37:37,500 --> 02:37:38,620
Oh, yeah, because that's ours.

4345
02:37:39,660 --> 02:37:40,340
Yeah, it's ours.

4346
02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:40,960
That's ours.

4347
02:37:41,900 --> 02:37:43,280
Pay attention, people.

4348
02:37:43,720 --> 02:37:45,400
Do you live in the Western Hemisphere?

4349
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:46,240
That's ours.

4350
02:37:46,540 --> 02:37:47,440
You do what we say.

4351
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:49,260
Foam finger number one.

4352
02:37:51,480 --> 02:37:55,460
My neighbor actually had a bombshell.

4353
02:37:55,820 --> 02:37:56,980
Dropped a bombshell.

4354
02:37:57,960 --> 02:38:00,400
We've always been wondering who they are.

4355
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:01,880
Yeah, who is they?

4356
02:38:02,140 --> 02:38:03,880
Well, Laura Logan.

4357
02:38:05,360 --> 02:38:07,580
She interviewed a guy, very long interview.

4358
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:10,680
But then she did a short little insta

4359
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:13,760
for the insta and tells us exactly who

4360
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:14,640
they are.

4361
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:16,960
We've been waiting for this for ages.

4362
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,840
But there's always this question of who's behind

4363
02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:20,320
it all?

4364
02:38:20,660 --> 02:38:21,520
What's the they?

4365
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:23,520
Because when you learn, you know, when you

4366
02:38:23,520 --> 02:38:25,980
learn about warfare, you learn about genocide, you

4367
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:26,900
learn about all these things.

4368
02:38:26,900 --> 02:38:29,580
You begin to recognize that there are systems

4369
02:38:29,580 --> 02:38:32,480
of command and control that have to be

4370
02:38:32,480 --> 02:38:34,280
running these things for them to work.

4371
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:36,080
Like, how do you get all these different

4372
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:39,640
agencies to work together to suppress the truth?

4373
02:38:39,900 --> 02:38:42,160
Well, you need a command and control system

4374
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:45,060
because the command and control system that has

4375
02:38:45,060 --> 02:38:47,880
been shutting down all of these things that

4376
02:38:47,880 --> 02:38:50,280
we have seen, whether it's Fast and Furious

4377
02:38:50,280 --> 02:38:53,840
under Eric Holder or it's the IRS persecuting

4378
02:38:53,840 --> 02:38:58,140
Christian and conservative organizations or it's the Russia

4379
02:38:58,140 --> 02:39:01,260
collusion investigation that goes nowhere or it's the

4380
02:39:01,260 --> 02:39:02,780
Ukraine impeachment trial.

4381
02:39:03,140 --> 02:39:05,980
These operations are being run out of an

4382
02:39:05,980 --> 02:39:09,120
organization called the Council for the Inspectors General

4383
02:39:09,120 --> 02:39:12,760
on Integrity and Efficiency that was created under

4384
02:39:12,760 --> 02:39:15,680
Barack Obama in 2008.

4385
02:39:15,820 --> 02:39:18,460
And by the way, his partner in creating

4386
02:39:18,460 --> 02:39:21,400
that, in having this brought into law, was

4387
02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:23,240
none other than Chuck Grassley on the other

4388
02:39:23,240 --> 02:39:24,060
side of the aisle.

4389
02:39:24,340 --> 02:39:26,480
And then it was supported by people on

4390
02:39:26,480 --> 02:39:27,560
both sides of the aisle.

4391
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:30,280
So they created this council, which is in

4392
02:39:30,280 --> 02:39:31,820
charge of the inspectors general.

4393
02:39:32,180 --> 02:39:33,820
So what has been happening, you know, a

4394
02:39:33,820 --> 02:39:35,940
lot of us are asking ourselves, why is

4395
02:39:35,940 --> 02:39:37,840
there no one that's willing to stand up

4396
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:38,520
in the federal government?

4397
02:39:38,600 --> 02:39:41,000
We do hear about whistleblowers from time to

4398
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:43,300
time, but by and large, these people have

4399
02:39:43,300 --> 02:39:46,060
been able to weaponize these agencies and walk

4400
02:39:46,060 --> 02:39:49,080
all over the American people and commit crimes

4401
02:39:49,080 --> 02:39:51,140
against the American people and get away with

4402
02:39:51,140 --> 02:39:51,360
it.

4403
02:39:51,900 --> 02:39:55,660
Council for the Inspectors General on Integrity and

4404
02:39:55,660 --> 02:39:56,360
Efficiency.

4405
02:39:58,610 --> 02:39:59,710
It sounds like a beauty.

4406
02:40:00,150 --> 02:40:00,430
Yeah.

4407
02:40:00,890 --> 02:40:02,250
And did you check into it?

4408
02:40:02,350 --> 02:40:03,170
Obviously you did.

4409
02:40:03,350 --> 02:40:03,630
Yes.

4410
02:40:03,770 --> 02:40:05,470
Well, it is what she says.

4411
02:40:05,550 --> 02:40:06,650
And she takes it a little further.

4412
02:40:06,830 --> 02:40:08,810
They operate kind of like the mob.

4413
02:40:09,190 --> 02:40:10,770
They do things like they have an annual

4414
02:40:10,770 --> 02:40:11,730
gathering every year.

4415
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:13,410
Who do they have as their guest of

4416
02:40:13,410 --> 02:40:13,630
honor?

4417
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:15,910
Not so long ago, they had Anthony Fauci.

4418
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:17,390
Well, what are they doing there?

4419
02:40:17,650 --> 02:40:19,830
They're sending a message to all of the

4420
02:40:19,830 --> 02:40:22,510
inspector generals in the National Institutes of Health,

4421
02:40:22,590 --> 02:40:25,190
for example, and beyond, don't touch this guy.

4422
02:40:25,290 --> 02:40:26,130
He's a made man.

4423
02:40:26,330 --> 02:40:27,690
He belongs to us.

4424
02:40:28,190 --> 02:40:30,450
And so what they do is they investigate

4425
02:40:30,450 --> 02:40:32,410
what they want to, such as when they

4426
02:40:32,410 --> 02:40:35,250
went after Donald Trump for Russia collusion, right?

4427
02:40:35,450 --> 02:40:37,170
So when they want to do an investigation

4428
02:40:37,170 --> 02:40:40,270
to reinforce an operation or a false narrative

4429
02:40:40,270 --> 02:40:42,490
or to take out their political rivals, they

4430
02:40:42,490 --> 02:40:43,670
have the power to do that.

4431
02:40:43,910 --> 02:40:45,590
And when they don't want something to be

4432
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:47,970
investigated or they want that investigation to die

4433
02:40:47,970 --> 02:40:50,250
on the vine, they're able to do that

4434
02:40:50,250 --> 02:40:50,530
too.

4435
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:52,510
And then when you have people who are

4436
02:40:52,510 --> 02:40:56,030
retaliated against, whistleblowers who have legal protections against

4437
02:40:56,030 --> 02:40:57,370
them, well, where do they go?

4438
02:40:57,470 --> 02:41:00,510
It all ends up in this clearinghouse of

4439
02:41:00,510 --> 02:41:03,110
the inspectors general where they have the ability

4440
02:41:03,110 --> 02:41:05,270
to control whatever they want.

4441
02:41:05,710 --> 02:41:09,050
Yeah, you can find it at ignet.gov.

4442
02:41:09,710 --> 02:41:11,190
We'll have to keep our eye on this

4443
02:41:11,190 --> 02:41:11,510
outfit.

4444
02:41:12,690 --> 02:41:14,230
They are the command and control.

4445
02:41:15,150 --> 02:41:16,310
Oversight and action.

4446
02:41:18,110 --> 02:41:19,650
Yeah, it's peculiar.

4447
02:41:20,030 --> 02:41:24,350
Yeah, well, when she says something, I pay

4448
02:41:24,350 --> 02:41:24,810
attention.

4449
02:41:25,070 --> 02:41:27,070
She does put a lot of work into

4450
02:41:27,070 --> 02:41:27,210
it.

4451
02:41:27,230 --> 02:41:27,710
She does.

4452
02:41:28,090 --> 02:41:29,810
This, this, by the way, this clip that

4453
02:41:29,810 --> 02:41:32,610
I have here, there's something here that I

4454
02:41:32,610 --> 02:41:33,630
hadn't even thought about.

4455
02:41:33,790 --> 02:41:34,970
And I think it's worthwhile.

4456
02:41:35,890 --> 02:41:38,330
You know, I'm an avid vapor, but of

4457
02:41:38,330 --> 02:41:40,830
course, I buy American cotton.

4458
02:41:41,130 --> 02:41:44,910
I have organic nicotine juice that I put

4459
02:41:44,910 --> 02:41:45,170
in.

4460
02:41:45,170 --> 02:41:46,390
I wind my own coil.

4461
02:41:46,630 --> 02:41:48,790
So I know what I'm vaping.

4462
02:41:49,350 --> 02:41:53,390
But in Belgium, the Belgian drug chief warns

4463
02:41:53,390 --> 02:41:55,750
of something very concerning, which could also be

4464
02:41:55,750 --> 02:41:56,470
happening here.

4465
02:41:56,630 --> 02:41:58,450
And, you know, I'm, I don't like the

4466
02:41:58,450 --> 02:42:00,930
vape wars, but this is, this is worth

4467
02:42:00,930 --> 02:42:01,310
noting.

4468
02:42:01,690 --> 02:42:04,930
Belgium's first ever drug commissioner, Ine van Weemers,

4469
02:42:05,230 --> 02:42:07,970
has told Euronews that 80% of the

4470
02:42:07,970 --> 02:42:11,810
illegal refill vape capsules seized by Belgian customs

4471
02:42:11,810 --> 02:42:15,030
contain dangerous synthetic opioids.

4472
02:42:15,290 --> 02:42:17,470
She warns of a real risk to children

4473
02:42:17,470 --> 02:42:20,150
who could get hooked on these hidden opioids.

4474
02:42:20,470 --> 02:42:22,390
The risk is that they will be addicted

4475
02:42:22,390 --> 02:42:24,510
on a very young age, that their brain

4476
02:42:24,510 --> 02:42:26,850
will not develop the way it should be.

4477
02:42:26,950 --> 02:42:29,910
These are serious health risks, and we need

4478
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:34,410
to protect them from that by taking measures

4479
02:42:34,410 --> 02:42:37,770
against all these logistic chain issues that are

4480
02:42:37,770 --> 02:42:40,230
abused for synthetic drugs.

4481
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:43,570
Aside from breaking logistic chains, van Weemers said,

4482
02:42:43,730 --> 02:42:46,870
tackling the business model is also key, especially

4483
02:42:46,870 --> 02:42:50,610
to prevent gangs from recruiting within the authorities.

4484
02:42:51,190 --> 02:42:54,550
Recent court cases highlighted that Belgium's legal world,

4485
02:42:54,910 --> 02:42:58,150
including the judicial system and police, was corrupted

4486
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:59,510
by organized crime.

4487
02:42:59,790 --> 02:43:01,870
There is a lot of money going on

4488
02:43:01,870 --> 02:43:05,050
in this criminal world, and it's with this

4489
02:43:05,050 --> 02:43:09,390
money that people are convinced to work with

4490
02:43:09,390 --> 02:43:10,530
criminals.

4491
02:43:10,930 --> 02:43:13,250
And that is when we don't tackle the

4492
02:43:13,250 --> 02:43:17,150
business model, then we are having a serious

4493
02:43:17,150 --> 02:43:19,550
risk to develop towards a narco state.

4494
02:43:20,110 --> 02:43:22,770
Van Weemers took on her role in 2023

4495
02:43:22,770 --> 02:43:26,150
after Belgium's main port in Antwerp became the

4496
02:43:26,150 --> 02:43:28,770
major gateway to cocaine entering Europe.

4497
02:43:29,250 --> 02:43:32,210
One side effect of drugs flooding European markets

4498
02:43:32,210 --> 02:43:35,330
is heightened gun violence and gangs fighting for

4499
02:43:35,330 --> 02:43:38,050
turf, forming a public security threat.

4500
02:43:38,310 --> 02:43:39,470
A lot in this report.

4501
02:43:39,930 --> 02:43:42,070
I mean, yes, of course, Belgium is a

4502
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:42,810
narco state.

4503
02:43:43,050 --> 02:43:44,670
The Netherlands is a narco state.

4504
02:43:44,750 --> 02:43:47,550
They have ports, the port of Rotterdam and

4505
02:43:47,550 --> 02:43:48,530
the port of Antwerp.

4506
02:43:48,690 --> 02:43:51,510
They're huge for bringing the drugs in, but

4507
02:43:51,510 --> 02:43:53,030
I don't know why all of a sudden

4508
02:43:53,030 --> 02:43:54,310
she gets this vape thing.

4509
02:43:55,010 --> 02:43:56,450
And I'd like a little bit of evidence

4510
02:43:56,450 --> 02:43:59,130
that they all come from China, that they're

4511
02:43:59,130 --> 02:44:01,630
putting opioids in the refillable vapes.

4512
02:44:02,850 --> 02:44:05,150
What a brilliant idea, by the way, if

4513
02:44:05,150 --> 02:44:05,650
that's true.

4514
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:06,810
Yeah, yeah, it's a good idea.

4515
02:44:06,910 --> 02:44:08,870
It's a great, it's a great idea.

4516
02:44:09,410 --> 02:44:10,830
But still, wow.

4517
02:44:11,630 --> 02:44:11,990
Anyway.

4518
02:44:14,990 --> 02:44:16,630
I have to play this and get it

4519
02:44:16,630 --> 02:44:20,690
out of here, which is I'm actually highly

4520
02:44:20,690 --> 02:44:25,450
amused by the Homeland Security undersecretary or whatever

4521
02:44:25,450 --> 02:44:25,950
she is.

4522
02:44:26,010 --> 02:44:27,950
She's been in the first.

4523
02:44:28,510 --> 02:44:28,870
Chrissy Noem.

4524
02:44:29,210 --> 02:44:29,530
Noem.

4525
02:44:30,310 --> 02:44:32,090
No, the undersecretary, the Tricia.

4526
02:44:32,430 --> 02:44:33,850
Oh, I don't know who the undersecretary is.

4527
02:44:33,850 --> 02:44:35,630
When you hear her voice, you're going to

4528
02:44:35,630 --> 02:44:37,210
hear it because I'm fascinated with her voice.

4529
02:44:37,270 --> 02:44:43,070
She's got this just interesting sorority girl voice

4530
02:44:43,070 --> 02:44:45,350
and she's been in the government forever.

4531
02:44:45,530 --> 02:44:47,350
She used to be the chief of staff

4532
02:44:47,350 --> 02:44:50,530
for some, the nuclear disarmament department or something

4533
02:44:50,530 --> 02:44:52,070
in Trump's first administration.

4534
02:44:52,350 --> 02:44:53,670
And now she's just kind of a spokeswoman.

4535
02:44:53,790 --> 02:44:55,570
She comes out, she looks like she's 16.

4536
02:44:57,770 --> 02:45:01,730
And she's now, I'm just fascinated with her

4537
02:45:01,730 --> 02:45:02,050
voice.

4538
02:45:02,190 --> 02:45:02,970
And here she is.

4539
02:45:02,970 --> 02:45:05,830
Cataloola Crunch, which we were launching today down

4540
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:08,030
in New Orleans, were first and foremost, really

4541
02:45:08,030 --> 02:45:10,290
focusing on those worst of the worst criminals.

4542
02:45:10,510 --> 02:45:13,330
The Department of Homeland Security launches the latest

4543
02:45:13,330 --> 02:45:16,630
federal immigration enforcement operation in the city of

4544
02:45:16,630 --> 02:45:17,190
New Orleans.

4545
02:45:17,510 --> 02:45:20,870
DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin says that ICE

4546
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:24,790
is specifically prioritizing illegal immigrants who were previously

4547
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:25,930
in local jails.

4548
02:45:26,270 --> 02:45:29,070
Because New Orleans functions as a sanctuary city,

4549
02:45:29,370 --> 02:45:31,770
those individuals were not released to ICE.

4550
02:45:31,770 --> 02:45:34,010
They were instead released back onto New Orleans

4551
02:45:34,010 --> 02:45:34,490
streets.

4552
02:45:34,710 --> 02:45:37,950
McLaughlin says that the operation will continue, whether

4553
02:45:37,950 --> 02:45:39,890
it be 5,000 arrests or more.

4554
02:45:40,230 --> 02:45:42,850
The DHS released information on some of the

4555
02:45:42,850 --> 02:45:46,390
people they are targeting, saying sanctuary policies endanger

4556
02:45:46,390 --> 02:45:50,250
American communities by releasing illegal criminal aliens and

4557
02:45:50,250 --> 02:45:53,450
forcing DHS law enforcement to risk their lives

4558
02:45:53,450 --> 02:45:56,230
to remove criminal illegal aliens that should have

4559
02:45:56,230 --> 02:45:58,130
never been put back on the streets.

4560
02:45:58,530 --> 02:46:01,850
DHS Secretary Kristi Noem says that Operation Cataloa

4561
02:46:01,850 --> 02:46:04,050
Crunch will remove the worst of the worst

4562
02:46:04,050 --> 02:46:06,950
from New Orleans, Louisiana, after the city's sanctuary

4563
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:09,530
politicians have ignored the rule of law.

4564
02:46:10,570 --> 02:46:13,930
Yeah, you know, the result of these, this

4565
02:46:13,930 --> 02:46:18,130
immigration policy and deportations is pretty drastic.

4566
02:46:18,890 --> 02:46:20,330
I mean, you don't really hear about it

4567
02:46:20,330 --> 02:46:23,310
because the mainstream media won't, doesn't really want

4568
02:46:23,310 --> 02:46:24,970
you to know how many people were let

4569
02:46:24,970 --> 02:46:27,010
in, certainly by the Biden administration.

4570
02:46:27,730 --> 02:46:31,370
But I got a note from George from

4571
02:46:31,370 --> 02:46:34,010
Austin, and he delivers sodas out of the

4572
02:46:34,010 --> 02:46:36,050
Austin area, and part of that is delivering

4573
02:46:36,050 --> 02:46:36,930
to HEB.

4574
02:46:38,570 --> 02:46:40,430
He says, as part of the job delivering

4575
02:46:40,430 --> 02:46:42,410
to stores, some out in the heavily Hispanic

4576
02:46:42,410 --> 02:46:44,830
areas outside of Austin, let alone the rise

4577
02:46:44,830 --> 02:46:46,650
in price of aluminum and sugar, add in

4578
02:46:46,650 --> 02:46:48,690
the ICE raids, our business has dropped well

4579
02:46:48,690 --> 02:46:51,990
over 50% in the past few months,

4580
02:46:52,410 --> 02:46:55,010
mainly from Hispanic workers not going into stores

4581
02:46:55,010 --> 02:46:56,110
before or after work.

4582
02:46:56,570 --> 02:46:58,550
Even beer guys I talk to, I guess

4583
02:46:58,550 --> 02:47:00,810
delivering beer, say the same thing.

4584
02:47:01,190 --> 02:47:02,730
Some of the stores coming out of these

4585
02:47:02,730 --> 02:47:05,390
places, some of the stories coming out of

4586
02:47:05,390 --> 02:47:06,810
these places are outright wild.

4587
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:09,490
ICE mainly only rounding up the males, leaving

4588
02:47:09,490 --> 02:47:11,530
women to fend for their households for themselves.

4589
02:47:12,310 --> 02:47:14,790
There have been car chases, some that end

4590
02:47:14,790 --> 02:47:16,910
with shots fired, raids going on in the

4591
02:47:16,910 --> 02:47:19,370
middle of the night, supposedly some firefights involved.

4592
02:47:19,710 --> 02:47:21,730
I go to Mexican grocery stores that are

4593
02:47:21,730 --> 02:47:24,870
the size of smaller HEBs and they're ghost

4594
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:26,370
towns compared to last year.

4595
02:47:26,450 --> 02:47:28,170
None of this makes it onto the news.

4596
02:47:28,890 --> 02:47:30,530
And also being in the trucking world, the

4597
02:47:30,530 --> 02:47:32,870
freight economy is on a huge downward shift.

4598
02:47:33,050 --> 02:47:35,990
Part of the ICE movement, truckers are now

4599
02:47:35,990 --> 02:47:38,410
being targeted to check their legal status.

4600
02:47:38,950 --> 02:47:41,810
Recently, there was over 4,000 commercial driver's

4601
02:47:41,810 --> 02:47:44,570
license schools shut down nationwide, due in part

4602
02:47:44,570 --> 02:47:47,810
to the slowdown and from passing laws that

4603
02:47:47,810 --> 02:47:50,310
people who don't speak or read English, trucking

4604
02:47:50,310 --> 02:47:53,410
companies are now starting layoffs and some even

4605
02:47:53,410 --> 02:47:55,610
shutting down due to high costs and lack

4606
02:47:55,610 --> 02:47:56,130
of freight.

4607
02:47:57,030 --> 02:48:00,190
And I'll just add one thing, because I've

4608
02:48:00,190 --> 02:48:02,290
always tried to help people get legal in

4609
02:48:02,290 --> 02:48:06,050
America because I've done it with several, I've

4610
02:48:06,050 --> 02:48:07,290
done it with family members.

4611
02:48:08,610 --> 02:48:12,910
And there's a really bad scam going on,

4612
02:48:12,990 --> 02:48:15,410
which I noticed recently as I was helping

4613
02:48:15,410 --> 02:48:17,650
someone out who has a legal right to

4614
02:48:17,650 --> 02:48:19,930
stay here under the Violence Against Women Act,

4615
02:48:20,410 --> 02:48:21,530
VAWA, as it's known.

4616
02:48:22,630 --> 02:48:26,370
And there's these law firms located mainly in

4617
02:48:26,370 --> 02:48:29,570
Washington, D.C., and they have satellite offices

4618
02:48:29,570 --> 02:48:31,150
everywhere, a lot of them in Texas.

4619
02:48:32,210 --> 02:48:36,550
And so this woman, her paperwork could be

4620
02:48:36,550 --> 02:48:37,970
processed in six weeks.

4621
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:41,050
She has been paying $300 a month to

4622
02:48:41,050 --> 02:48:42,750
this outfit for two years.

4623
02:48:43,650 --> 02:48:45,770
And when you call, you just get an

4624
02:48:45,770 --> 02:48:49,070
answering machine, starts in Spanish, and you don't

4625
02:48:49,070 --> 02:48:51,930
get any, they're just stringing these people along.

4626
02:48:53,470 --> 02:48:55,270
And how do I know that is because

4627
02:48:55,270 --> 02:48:59,190
I called and I had her case number

4628
02:48:59,190 --> 02:49:00,890
and I had her name and everything.

4629
02:49:01,430 --> 02:49:03,370
And I said, hi, this is Adam Curry.

4630
02:49:03,430 --> 02:49:05,890
I'm calling about this person, this case.

4631
02:49:06,190 --> 02:49:08,890
First thing, what do you want?

4632
02:49:09,510 --> 02:49:10,550
I said, well, I want to talk to

4633
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:11,070
her lawyer.

4634
02:49:11,570 --> 02:49:12,710
Well, are you with immigration?

4635
02:49:13,350 --> 02:49:14,490
I said, no, but you can look me

4636
02:49:14,490 --> 02:49:14,770
up.

4637
02:49:16,210 --> 02:49:18,090
It's certainly, you know, I'm the podfather.

4638
02:49:18,290 --> 02:49:19,370
Who do you think is calling you?

4639
02:49:20,170 --> 02:49:20,670
Guess what?

4640
02:49:21,550 --> 02:49:24,650
Within 24 hours, her paperwork is being processed.

4641
02:49:25,490 --> 02:49:28,510
This is, these are a-hole companies.

4642
02:49:28,950 --> 02:49:30,390
Is it because you're with the media?

4643
02:49:30,910 --> 02:49:32,070
I said, look me up.

4644
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:33,710
You know?

4645
02:49:33,830 --> 02:49:35,470
Do you know who I am?

4646
02:49:35,630 --> 02:49:36,270
Did you say that?

4647
02:49:36,330 --> 02:49:37,430
No, I said, look me up.

4648
02:49:37,490 --> 02:49:38,870
I think it's, I think it's cooler to

4649
02:49:38,870 --> 02:49:40,590
say, look me up, look me up, dude.

4650
02:49:42,410 --> 02:49:45,050
So which just proves that they're just stringing

4651
02:49:45,050 --> 02:49:48,050
people along, soaking them, even though she has

4652
02:49:48,050 --> 02:49:50,950
a valid and legal right to be here.

4653
02:49:51,970 --> 02:49:53,090
So, you know.

4654
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:55,330
So you're telling me there's a scam afoot?

4655
02:49:55,470 --> 02:49:55,770
Yeah.

4656
02:49:55,970 --> 02:49:56,710
But it's sad.

4657
02:49:57,430 --> 02:49:58,150
I don't like it.

4658
02:49:58,190 --> 02:50:00,050
Well, it is totally sad, but most scams

4659
02:50:00,050 --> 02:50:00,490
are.

4660
02:50:00,830 --> 02:50:01,030
Yeah.

4661
02:50:01,530 --> 02:50:02,370
Well, anyway.

4662
02:50:03,770 --> 02:50:06,130
So there are lawyers who did a good

4663
02:50:06,130 --> 02:50:06,430
deed.

4664
02:50:06,510 --> 02:50:07,430
You're, you're a good guy.

4665
02:50:07,730 --> 02:50:09,150
Well, that's not why I say it.

4666
02:50:09,150 --> 02:50:11,650
I say it because I was surprised by

4667
02:50:11,650 --> 02:50:14,690
this nationwide law firm that just strings people

4668
02:50:14,690 --> 02:50:16,890
along and they don't follow up.

4669
02:50:16,990 --> 02:50:18,070
They don't send you emails.

4670
02:50:18,210 --> 02:50:21,210
They don't send you any documentation, you know,

4671
02:50:21,230 --> 02:50:23,010
because they want, they want scared people.

4672
02:50:23,450 --> 02:50:24,190
That's no good.

4673
02:50:25,290 --> 02:50:25,730
Douchebags.

4674
02:50:26,650 --> 02:50:27,710
Look me up.

4675
02:50:28,210 --> 02:50:28,750
Look me up.

4676
02:50:31,730 --> 02:50:32,170
Look.

4677
02:50:33,330 --> 02:50:34,550
Hey, hey, buddy.

4678
02:50:34,670 --> 02:50:35,710
Stop button in line.

4679
02:50:35,810 --> 02:50:37,070
Hey, man, look me up.

4680
02:50:37,170 --> 02:50:37,690
All right.

4681
02:50:40,010 --> 02:50:40,570
All right.

4682
02:50:40,570 --> 02:50:41,630
Last clip for you, John.

4683
02:50:44,010 --> 02:50:44,730
Well, let's see.

4684
02:50:44,730 --> 02:50:46,490
I've got a few things that are possible.

4685
02:50:46,830 --> 02:50:48,510
Let's just play this little, this is a

4686
02:50:48,510 --> 02:50:52,210
tease for a podcast, but I want to

4687
02:50:52,210 --> 02:50:52,810
actually know.

4688
02:50:52,950 --> 02:50:54,350
Let's play read a book within.

4689
02:50:54,550 --> 02:50:55,950
Now this is a, they have a segment.

4690
02:50:56,050 --> 02:50:57,350
They do it once every month or so.

4691
02:50:57,410 --> 02:50:58,230
It's called read a book.

4692
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:59,670
And then they, they said, we should all

4693
02:50:59,670 --> 02:51:00,710
be reading more books.

4694
02:51:00,730 --> 02:51:02,490
And then they have different people come on

4695
02:51:02,930 --> 02:51:05,350
and describe books from the staffers, from the

4696
02:51:05,350 --> 02:51:06,930
NPR, because they got nothing better to do

4697
02:51:06,930 --> 02:51:07,830
than to talk about books.

4698
02:51:07,930 --> 02:51:09,190
They read because they're reading books all the

4699
02:51:09,190 --> 02:51:09,410
time.

4700
02:51:09,610 --> 02:51:11,430
And I just thought this one was funny.

4701
02:51:11,750 --> 02:51:13,410
Here's some unsolicited advice.

4702
02:51:13,410 --> 02:51:16,330
Skip all the holiday parties this winter and

4703
02:51:16,330 --> 02:51:17,650
read a book instead.

4704
02:51:18,390 --> 02:51:18,970
And great news.

4705
02:51:19,070 --> 02:51:22,550
NPR's books we love has tons of recommendations,

4706
02:51:22,890 --> 02:51:24,930
including these fiction reads from some of our

4707
02:51:24,930 --> 02:51:25,350
coworkers.

4708
02:51:26,110 --> 02:51:28,310
Hi, my name is Rachel Treisman and I'm

4709
02:51:28,310 --> 02:51:29,490
a general assignment reporter.

4710
02:51:30,150 --> 02:51:32,050
One of my favorite books this year was

4711
02:51:32,050 --> 02:51:34,070
Wild Dark Shore by Charlotte McConaughey.

4712
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:36,810
A dad and his three teen and preteen

4713
02:51:36,810 --> 02:51:39,070
kids are the last people on a rapidly

4714
02:51:39,070 --> 02:51:41,230
sinking research island off of Antarctica.

4715
02:51:41,570 --> 02:51:44,090
They're getting ready to evacuate when a mysterious

4716
02:51:44,090 --> 02:51:46,010
woman washes ashore in a storm.

4717
02:51:46,410 --> 02:51:48,210
As the family nurses her back to health,

4718
02:51:48,390 --> 02:51:52,150
relationships form, dynamics shift, and before long, everyone

4719
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:53,410
is suspicious of each other.

4720
02:51:54,030 --> 02:51:56,310
Wild Dark Shore is a mystery thriller packed

4721
02:51:56,310 --> 02:51:58,130
with plot twists and turns that make it

4722
02:51:58,130 --> 02:51:59,170
really hard to put down.

4723
02:51:59,530 --> 02:52:01,790
But when you finally do, you'll keep thinking

4724
02:52:01,790 --> 02:52:03,810
about it and the bigger questions that it

4725
02:52:03,810 --> 02:52:07,110
tackles so beautifully about love and loss and

4726
02:52:07,110 --> 02:52:08,910
resilience in the face of climate change.

4727
02:52:11,930 --> 02:52:14,310
I'm gonna show my support by donating to

4728
02:52:14,310 --> 02:52:14,930
No Agenda.

4729
02:52:15,090 --> 02:52:17,010
Imagine all the people who could do that.

4730
02:52:17,210 --> 02:52:18,230
Oh yeah, that'd be fab.

4731
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:29,010
In the face of climate change, we do

4732
02:52:29,010 --> 02:52:30,490
have a few people to thank that gave

4733
02:52:30,490 --> 02:52:32,610
us $50 and above and Adam will read

4734
02:52:32,610 --> 02:52:33,730
them off one at a time.

4735
02:52:33,930 --> 02:52:34,990
Yes, I will.

4736
02:52:35,130 --> 02:52:39,370
And we start with Anon in Marietta, Ohio.

4737
02:52:41,230 --> 02:52:45,470
Anon supports us with $133.32 and we

4738
02:52:45,470 --> 02:52:47,350
thank you very much for that, Anon.

4739
02:52:47,890 --> 02:52:50,030
Ash in Texas, 12345.

4740
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:51,830
We see what you did there.

4741
02:52:51,910 --> 02:52:53,110
We love those sequentials.

4742
02:52:54,370 --> 02:52:56,230
And he says, newsletter made it to me

4743
02:52:56,230 --> 02:52:56,730
fine.

4744
02:52:57,530 --> 02:52:58,950
I said newsletter made it to me fine.

4745
02:52:59,130 --> 02:53:00,470
Donation, God bless you both.

4746
02:53:00,750 --> 02:53:03,710
Did you get the note from Void Zero?

4747
02:53:05,670 --> 02:53:06,990
Yeah, I did.

4748
02:53:06,990 --> 02:53:09,910
Okay, did you read it?

4749
02:53:10,630 --> 02:53:12,570
It's on my list of things to do.

4750
02:53:12,810 --> 02:53:13,930
Okay, let's see.

4751
02:53:14,410 --> 02:53:15,790
Buy mushrooms.

4752
02:53:17,250 --> 02:53:18,770
Get wine from Costco.

4753
02:53:19,110 --> 02:53:21,430
Read note from Void Zero.

4754
02:53:21,930 --> 02:53:23,870
Binger Newman, Yankton, South Dakota.

4755
02:53:24,050 --> 02:53:26,170
A row of sticks, 1111.

4756
02:53:26,750 --> 02:53:28,830
And says happy belated birthday to Kyle Tack

4757
02:53:28,830 --> 02:53:29,670
from Binger Newman.

4758
02:53:29,790 --> 02:53:31,530
The perfect birthday gift for Kyle.

4759
02:53:31,610 --> 02:53:33,610
We'd have John absolutely butcher his name.

4760
02:53:34,350 --> 02:53:36,630
Well, no, because I'm reading it.

4761
02:53:36,630 --> 02:53:37,890
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

4762
02:53:38,130 --> 02:53:38,970
And there with 8008.

4763
02:53:39,730 --> 02:53:40,730
How do you butcher the name Binger Newman?

4764
02:53:40,890 --> 02:53:41,370
I don't know.

4765
02:53:42,830 --> 02:53:44,770
Coming in with the boob donation, Kev McLaughlin,

4766
02:53:44,890 --> 02:53:46,150
Concord, North Carolina.

4767
02:53:46,470 --> 02:53:49,370
And he says, well, you know, yes, we

4768
02:53:49,370 --> 02:53:49,590
do.

4769
02:53:49,690 --> 02:53:51,950
He is the Archduke of Luna, lover of

4770
02:53:51,950 --> 02:53:52,790
America and boobs.

4771
02:53:53,270 --> 02:53:56,530
William Kidwell, Dover, Delaware, 7777.

4772
02:53:57,170 --> 02:53:58,330
Holy, holy donation.

4773
02:53:59,350 --> 02:54:01,830
Stephen Sobieski, Kettering, Ohio, 67.

4774
02:54:02,150 --> 02:54:04,770
David Cox in Austin, 6325.

4775
02:54:04,770 --> 02:54:08,610
Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, California, 6161.

4776
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:11,950
Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado.

4777
02:54:12,510 --> 02:54:14,290
With a small boob, 606.

4778
02:54:14,390 --> 02:54:16,730
Also small boob from Les Tarkowski in Kingman,

4779
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:17,250
Arizona.

4780
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:21,150
Andrew Garland, Muncie, Indiana, 5623.

4781
02:54:21,850 --> 02:54:23,310
David Wicker, there he is.

4782
02:54:23,430 --> 02:54:26,150
That is our sir by his grace.

4783
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:28,470
Jacksonville, Florida, 5622.

4784
02:54:28,730 --> 02:54:31,450
Troy Funderburk, Missoula, Montana, 55.

4785
02:54:32,170 --> 02:54:35,830
Sarah Linkswiller in Bessemer, Alabama, 5283.

4786
02:54:36,130 --> 02:54:39,630
Kelly Hubbard, Plymouth, Minnesota, 5272.

4787
02:54:39,730 --> 02:54:42,750
Eric Ortega in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, 525.

4788
02:54:43,390 --> 02:54:46,450
Josiah Thomas from Ankeny, Iowa, 51.

4789
02:54:46,650 --> 02:54:47,530
And here's our 50s.

4790
02:54:47,930 --> 02:54:50,270
There's Sir Alex Zavala from Kyle, Texas.

4791
02:54:50,450 --> 02:54:52,590
Of course, he is from the Nick U

4792
02:54:52,590 --> 02:54:53,450
Dad podcast.

4793
02:54:53,650 --> 02:54:53,830
M.

4794
02:54:53,890 --> 02:54:55,530
Todd Allen in Harriman, Utah.

4795
02:54:56,030 --> 02:54:59,070
Edward Mazurek in Memphis, Tennessee.

4796
02:54:59,070 --> 02:55:01,830
Jacob Rotrummel in Decatur, Illinois.

4797
02:55:02,250 --> 02:55:04,030
Stephen Ray in Spokane, Washington.

4798
02:55:04,350 --> 02:55:07,550
And we have Antonio Martinez, Greenlee, Colorado, with

4799
02:55:07,550 --> 02:55:09,470
a birthday and a first-time donation.

4800
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:13,010
You've been de-douched.

4801
02:55:14,230 --> 02:55:15,830
That's a birthday shout out for his brother,

4802
02:55:15,950 --> 02:55:18,030
Martin Martinez, who was born on the 7th

4803
02:55:18,030 --> 02:55:19,550
of December in the year of our Lord

4804
02:55:19,550 --> 02:55:21,850
1989, who hit him in the mouth.

4805
02:55:22,570 --> 02:55:25,930
And Rick Lindquist in Squim, Washington, 50.

4806
02:55:25,930 --> 02:55:29,030
Jay Worthy from Shefford, Shefford in the UK.

4807
02:55:29,750 --> 02:55:30,890
He wants us to keep going.

4808
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:32,870
Kerry Jackson, Watertown, Tennessee.

4809
02:55:33,350 --> 02:55:36,050
And our final $50 supporter, Jason Deluzio in

4810
02:55:36,050 --> 02:55:37,570
Miami Beach, Florida.

4811
02:55:37,790 --> 02:55:40,430
Thank you all to these supporters, these donors.

4812
02:55:40,650 --> 02:55:43,490
Value for value, whatever value you get out

4813
02:55:43,490 --> 02:55:45,330
of the show, please send that back to

4814
02:55:45,330 --> 02:55:47,510
us in the amount that it is worth

4815
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:47,790
to you.

4816
02:55:47,830 --> 02:55:50,010
And only you can determine what value you

4817
02:55:50,010 --> 02:55:51,270
get out of the show and what you

4818
02:55:51,270 --> 02:55:52,390
want to put back into it.

4819
02:55:52,450 --> 02:55:55,130
Value for value, noagendadonations.com.

4820
02:55:55,130 --> 02:55:57,690
Thank you, and again, congratulations to our executive

4821
02:55:57,690 --> 02:56:00,570
and associate executive producers for episode 1823.

4822
02:56:01,770 --> 02:56:02,730
noagendadonations.com.

4823
02:56:08,970 --> 02:56:12,410
We've got William Swenson wishing his fantastic mother

4824
02:56:12,410 --> 02:56:13,810
-in-law, Edie, a happy birthday.

4825
02:56:13,930 --> 02:56:15,030
It is her birthday today.

4826
02:56:15,450 --> 02:56:17,630
Antonio Martinez, you just heard him, his brother,

4827
02:56:17,770 --> 02:56:21,790
Martin Martinez, Martinez, A is the accident there,

4828
02:56:21,850 --> 02:56:23,510
also today, December 7th.

4829
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:25,890
Ryan Newman says happy birthday to Kyle Tack.

4830
02:56:26,350 --> 02:56:29,070
And Sir Bias Grace David Wicker says, please

4831
02:56:29,070 --> 02:56:31,470
join Jules, Hope, Greta and I in praising

4832
02:56:31,470 --> 02:56:34,790
our Lord for Aspen's 13th birthday party today.

4833
02:56:35,230 --> 02:56:36,530
Where's my invitation?

4834
02:56:36,990 --> 02:56:39,150
And we've got our buddy Parker from right

4835
02:56:39,150 --> 02:56:41,170
here in Fredericksburg, Geistweit.

4836
02:56:41,510 --> 02:56:44,070
He is celebrating his birthday on the 18th.

4837
02:56:44,110 --> 02:56:44,830
I may be early.

4838
02:56:45,010 --> 02:56:46,530
Parker, we'll do it again if you need

4839
02:56:46,530 --> 02:56:46,630
it.

4840
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:48,890
Happy birthday for everybody here at the best

4841
02:56:48,890 --> 02:56:50,430
podcast in the universe.

4842
02:57:00,810 --> 02:57:04,510
We have a title change and that is

4843
02:57:04,510 --> 02:57:07,610
Sir 23's Knight of the Electric Sea.

4844
02:57:08,110 --> 02:57:11,470
In accordance with his additional support of $1

4845
02:57:11,470 --> 02:57:14,750
,000 or more, he becomes a baronet today.

4846
02:57:14,930 --> 02:57:18,350
Congratulations and welcome to your new spot in

4847
02:57:18,350 --> 02:57:19,570
the No Agenda peerage.

4848
02:57:19,570 --> 02:57:22,070
We've got some meetups to talk about.

4849
02:57:27,950 --> 02:57:30,790
Just a couple as we wind everything down

4850
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:32,890
for this year.

4851
02:57:33,090 --> 02:57:35,110
We have a meetup taking place today.

4852
02:57:35,210 --> 02:57:37,310
It's the I Must Be High number 17.

4853
02:57:38,250 --> 02:57:42,390
That is actually, I think, underway at McSorley's

4854
02:57:42,390 --> 02:57:44,630
wonderful saloon and grill in Toronto.

4855
02:57:45,330 --> 02:57:47,150
And on Thursday, our next show day, we

4856
02:57:47,150 --> 02:57:49,870
have the great Rochester, Minnesota Big Pharma City

4857
02:57:49,870 --> 02:57:52,690
meetup at five o'clock at Little Thistle

4858
02:57:52,690 --> 02:57:54,890
Brewing Company in Rochester, Minnesota.

4859
02:57:55,510 --> 02:57:57,450
Let's see what else is before the year

4860
02:57:57,450 --> 02:57:57,830
ends.

4861
02:57:57,990 --> 02:58:00,690
The 13th, Eagle, Idaho and Indianapolis, Indiana.

4862
02:58:00,870 --> 02:58:02,650
The 18th, Charlotte, North Carolina.

4863
02:58:03,050 --> 02:58:04,830
The 20th, Fort Wayne, Indiana.

4864
02:58:05,070 --> 02:58:07,010
The 20th, also Anaheim, California.

4865
02:58:07,430 --> 02:58:10,070
And on December 26, Clovis, California.

4866
02:58:10,270 --> 02:58:11,610
And then we'll start a brand new year.

4867
02:58:12,010 --> 02:58:13,590
You can find all of these No Agenda

4868
02:58:13,590 --> 02:58:15,650
meetups where you will find connection that gives

4869
02:58:15,650 --> 02:58:16,750
you ultimate protection.

4870
02:58:16,750 --> 02:58:19,630
Your first responders in any emergency, you will

4871
02:58:19,630 --> 02:58:21,270
meet them at a No Agenda meetup.

4872
02:58:21,330 --> 02:58:22,690
Go to noagendameetups.com.

4873
02:58:22,810 --> 02:58:23,570
Find one near you.

4874
02:58:23,630 --> 02:58:25,310
If you can't, no problem.

4875
02:58:25,730 --> 02:58:28,230
Set it up, set one yourself, and list

4876
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:30,590
it right there on noagendameetups.com.

4877
02:58:30,590 --> 02:58:33,590
♪ Sometimes you wanna go hang out ♪

4878
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:37,350
♪ With all the nights and days ♪

4879
02:58:37,350 --> 02:58:39,710
♪ You wanna be where you want to

4880
02:58:39,710 --> 02:58:41,570
be ♪ ♪ Drink it all, hail the

4881
02:58:41,570 --> 02:58:44,910
flame ♪ ♪ You wanna be where everybody

4882
02:58:44,910 --> 02:58:49,430
feels the same ♪ ♪ It's like a

4883
02:58:49,430 --> 02:58:52,370
party ♪ Yeah, baby, we got John's tip

4884
02:58:52,370 --> 02:58:53,150
of the day coming up.

4885
02:58:53,230 --> 02:58:54,990
We have some AI slop for our end

4886
02:58:54,990 --> 02:58:55,770
of show mixes.

4887
02:58:56,210 --> 02:58:58,730
And of course we always like to find

4888
02:58:58,730 --> 02:59:01,090
our end of show ISO at this spot

4889
02:59:01,090 --> 02:59:01,710
in the show.

4890
02:59:02,110 --> 02:59:03,770
I have four actually today.

4891
02:59:04,230 --> 02:59:05,490
Shall I go first?

4892
02:59:06,050 --> 02:59:06,470
Oh, yeah.

4893
02:59:06,790 --> 02:59:07,770
This is amazing.

4894
02:59:07,930 --> 02:59:08,810
This is awesome.

4895
02:59:12,330 --> 02:59:13,990
Yeah, we had this one.

4896
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:14,970
This is a sciop.

4897
02:59:17,130 --> 02:59:18,070
I like this one.

4898
02:59:18,110 --> 02:59:18,750
That was a banger.

4899
02:59:19,730 --> 02:59:21,390
And I think this is my favorite.

4900
02:59:21,510 --> 02:59:23,370
Oh my God, these guys are so hot.

4901
02:59:24,090 --> 02:59:25,930
Come on, that's an ISO.

4902
02:59:28,310 --> 02:59:29,310
Did you make that one?

4903
02:59:29,310 --> 02:59:29,750
No.

4904
02:59:30,890 --> 02:59:31,310
No.

4905
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:33,270
You actually clipped that from somewhere.

4906
02:59:33,310 --> 02:59:34,650
No, someone clipped it for me.

4907
02:59:34,750 --> 02:59:35,930
It's Elisha Cross.

4908
02:59:36,250 --> 02:59:36,910
Elisha Cross.

4909
02:59:37,230 --> 02:59:39,130
Oh my God, these guys are so hot.

4910
02:59:39,290 --> 02:59:39,570
That's an ISO.

4911
02:59:39,570 --> 02:59:40,650
Okay, I'm not playing mine.

4912
02:59:40,750 --> 02:59:41,570
I'm pushing them off.

4913
02:59:41,910 --> 02:59:42,550
You can have it.

4914
02:59:42,630 --> 02:59:43,650
Because that one was so good.

4915
02:59:43,730 --> 02:59:45,010
Yes, he wins once again.

4916
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:47,350
But before we do anything, here's John's tip

4917
02:59:47,350 --> 02:59:47,950
of the day.

4918
02:59:48,450 --> 02:59:51,670
♪ Great advice for you and me ♪

4919
02:59:51,670 --> 02:59:56,110
♪ Just a tip with JCD and sometimes

4920
02:59:56,110 --> 02:59:56,730
Adam.

4921
02:59:57,090 --> 02:59:59,430
♪ And we know what we've been waiting

4922
02:59:59,430 --> 03:00:00,030
for it.

4923
03:00:00,190 --> 03:00:02,330
Yeah, knives, knives, knives.

4924
03:00:02,550 --> 03:00:03,090
Knives, knives.

4925
03:00:03,690 --> 03:00:04,890
Luckily, there's a...

4926
03:00:05,590 --> 03:00:07,210
Okay, the best knife...

4927
03:00:07,210 --> 03:00:09,450
The knife market has changed so much over

4928
03:00:09,450 --> 03:00:09,990
the years.

4929
03:00:10,290 --> 03:00:11,890
The Germans dominating the scene.

4930
03:00:11,950 --> 03:00:13,710
But the Japanese own the place now.

4931
03:00:15,470 --> 03:00:17,550
And I have to say right now, the

4932
03:00:17,550 --> 03:00:18,010
knife...

4933
03:00:18,010 --> 03:00:19,310
If I was going to buy a knife,

4934
03:00:19,870 --> 03:00:22,630
I'd go to Amazon and get the Shanzhou

4935
03:00:23,530 --> 03:00:26,390
8-inch chef knife, the one that's on

4936
03:00:26,390 --> 03:00:26,890
sale.

4937
03:00:27,050 --> 03:00:29,530
44% off, it's 49 bucks, which is

4938
03:00:29,530 --> 03:00:29,890
cheap.

4939
03:00:30,390 --> 03:00:34,910
Because this is a 67-layer Damascus knife.

4940
03:00:34,990 --> 03:00:38,610
In other words, it's been folded 67 times.

4941
03:00:38,830 --> 03:00:39,070
Wow.

4942
03:00:40,570 --> 03:00:42,130
And it's 49 bucks.

4943
03:00:42,170 --> 03:00:42,910
It's a steel.

4944
03:00:43,350 --> 03:00:45,630
Now, I have another knife.

4945
03:00:46,090 --> 03:00:47,470
Wow, that's a pretty knife.

4946
03:00:48,170 --> 03:00:49,010
Yeah, it'll be...

4947
03:00:49,010 --> 03:00:50,950
I'm adding it to my cart right away.

4948
03:00:50,950 --> 03:00:52,750
I think you buy it now while they

4949
03:00:52,750 --> 03:00:53,370
still have them.

4950
03:00:53,550 --> 03:00:53,990
Yep.

4951
03:00:54,150 --> 03:00:56,010
So, because it's the sale price.

4952
03:00:56,110 --> 03:00:58,030
Because a couple of things you should note.

4953
03:00:58,490 --> 03:00:58,930
One...

4954
03:00:58,930 --> 03:01:00,030
I'm buying it right now.

4955
03:01:00,050 --> 03:01:01,830
This sort of knife is not sharp.

4956
03:01:01,890 --> 03:01:04,090
You can't use a device I recommended recently

4957
03:01:04,090 --> 03:01:05,650
to sharpen a knife like this.

4958
03:01:06,050 --> 03:01:07,010
This is carbon.

4959
03:01:07,090 --> 03:01:07,550
You have to...

4960
03:01:07,550 --> 03:01:08,090
This is carbon.

4961
03:01:08,230 --> 03:01:09,650
You can't even sharpen that, can you?

4962
03:01:10,310 --> 03:01:11,510
No, you can sharpen it, but you need

4963
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:12,190
a stone.

4964
03:01:13,310 --> 03:01:16,570
You need a real good Japanese sharpening stone.

4965
03:01:16,710 --> 03:01:18,410
So this is problem number one with this

4966
03:01:18,410 --> 03:01:18,630
knife.

4967
03:01:18,730 --> 03:01:19,710
That's why I have a second knife.

4968
03:01:19,710 --> 03:01:21,170
But I already bought it.

4969
03:01:21,550 --> 03:01:22,030
Good.

4970
03:01:22,250 --> 03:01:23,430
Well, you should have this knife.

4971
03:01:23,550 --> 03:01:25,130
It won't go dull right away, but get

4972
03:01:25,130 --> 03:01:25,650
a stone.

4973
03:01:25,890 --> 03:01:27,490
Once you learn how to use a stone

4974
03:01:27,490 --> 03:01:28,890
to sharpen knives, it's unbelievable.

4975
03:01:29,910 --> 03:01:31,070
A whetting stone?

4976
03:01:31,410 --> 03:01:33,910
A whetting stone.

4977
03:01:34,350 --> 03:01:34,470
Yes.

4978
03:01:35,270 --> 03:01:37,550
So you'd have it now with knives like

4979
03:01:37,550 --> 03:01:38,010
this.

4980
03:01:38,050 --> 03:01:41,010
I have to say I recommend to the

4981
03:01:41,010 --> 03:01:44,790
highest degree a pair of chainmail gloves.

4982
03:01:45,990 --> 03:01:48,090
These aren't really knives as much as they

4983
03:01:48,090 --> 03:01:49,250
are razor blades.

4984
03:01:50,770 --> 03:01:51,570
Chainmail gloves?

4985
03:01:52,090 --> 03:01:52,850
So you can go to...

4986
03:01:53,290 --> 03:01:54,690
Amazon has them, but they're all over the

4987
03:01:54,690 --> 03:01:54,910
place.

4988
03:01:55,150 --> 03:01:57,090
They look up chainmail gloves.

4989
03:01:57,210 --> 03:01:58,130
These are gloves you can wear.

4990
03:01:58,230 --> 03:02:00,510
They're usually made out of a weavable stainless

4991
03:02:00,510 --> 03:02:02,090
steel, and I have a pair.

4992
03:02:02,130 --> 03:02:03,750
It's like chainmail, so you can't cut your

4993
03:02:03,750 --> 03:02:04,350
finger off.

4994
03:02:04,670 --> 03:02:05,930
You can't cut your finger off.

4995
03:02:05,970 --> 03:02:08,790
I use the chainmail gloves a lot when

4996
03:02:08,790 --> 03:02:11,430
I'm using the real French mandolin that I

4997
03:02:11,430 --> 03:02:11,610
have.

4998
03:02:11,670 --> 03:02:13,850
I have a real big giant one, not

4999
03:02:13,850 --> 03:02:16,430
the little Japanese wimpy mandolin, but a big

5000
03:02:16,430 --> 03:02:16,630
one.

5001
03:02:16,850 --> 03:02:18,350
A big boy, all steel.

5002
03:02:18,890 --> 03:02:22,330
And you have to have some protection when

5003
03:02:22,330 --> 03:02:23,090
you're using these things.

5004
03:02:23,170 --> 03:02:24,090
You're going to kill yourself.

5005
03:02:25,110 --> 03:02:25,470
So...

5006
03:02:25,470 --> 03:02:26,130
You hear that, Tina?

5007
03:02:26,610 --> 03:02:27,330
She's lefty.

5008
03:02:27,390 --> 03:02:29,230
Whenever I see her cutting something, it's the

5009
03:02:29,230 --> 03:02:29,850
oddest thing.

5010
03:02:29,890 --> 03:02:31,110
It just makes me so uncomfortable.

5011
03:02:31,730 --> 03:02:33,950
Well, with this knife here, you're going to

5012
03:02:33,950 --> 03:02:36,430
get really uncomfortable when you cut it for

5013
03:02:36,430 --> 03:02:36,770
the first...

5014
03:02:36,770 --> 03:02:39,050
This is the kind of knife that you

5015
03:02:39,050 --> 03:02:40,610
could hold up kind of in the air

5016
03:02:40,610 --> 03:02:42,050
and throw a tomato at it and go

5017
03:02:42,050 --> 03:02:42,670
right through it.

5018
03:02:43,250 --> 03:02:43,610
Whoa.

5019
03:02:44,590 --> 03:02:45,750
That's the kind of knife it is.

5020
03:02:45,890 --> 03:02:46,190
Okay, now...

5021
03:02:46,190 --> 03:02:47,630
I'm keeping it under lock and key.

5022
03:02:47,630 --> 03:02:49,230
I'm not letting my wife touch it.

5023
03:02:49,350 --> 03:02:50,290
It's one of those knives.

5024
03:02:50,410 --> 03:02:51,110
It's one of those things.

5025
03:02:51,370 --> 03:02:53,850
Now, that said, I have a second...

5026
03:02:53,850 --> 03:02:54,890
One other thing to note.

5027
03:02:55,190 --> 03:03:00,370
With Japanese products, without exception, pretty much, price

5028
03:03:00,370 --> 03:03:01,570
equals quality.

5029
03:03:02,190 --> 03:03:04,310
And that's why this knife at 49 bucks

5030
03:03:04,310 --> 03:03:08,730
is actually ridiculously cheap, because it's been discounted,

5031
03:03:08,730 --> 03:03:09,650
which is unusual.

5032
03:03:10,930 --> 03:03:13,530
But the more you spend for a Damascus

5033
03:03:13,530 --> 03:03:14,850
knife, the better they are.

5034
03:03:14,970 --> 03:03:17,030
Okay, so here's the secondary recommendation.

5035
03:03:17,030 --> 03:03:18,350
I don't want to kill all the time,

5036
03:03:18,510 --> 03:03:21,790
but this is a knife block set with

5037
03:03:21,790 --> 03:03:23,190
14 pieces.

5038
03:03:23,970 --> 03:03:24,070
Wow.

5039
03:03:24,550 --> 03:03:25,390
What's it called?

5040
03:03:26,010 --> 03:03:28,230
This is a $62 deal.

5041
03:03:28,570 --> 03:03:30,190
It's not even marked down that much.

5042
03:03:30,310 --> 03:03:32,330
I have one of these knives from this

5043
03:03:32,330 --> 03:03:32,690
company.

5044
03:03:33,490 --> 03:03:37,110
This is the knife block set from Thickshot,

5045
03:03:37,230 --> 03:03:39,590
F-I-K-S-H-O-T.

5046
03:03:40,210 --> 03:03:42,730
And they're a one-piece knife.

5047
03:03:42,730 --> 03:03:43,630
They're very light.

5048
03:03:46,310 --> 03:03:49,650
And you can use the sharpening device on

5049
03:03:49,650 --> 03:03:51,670
these knives, and you get a whole set

5050
03:03:51,670 --> 03:03:54,770
for 62 bucks of six steak knives, a

5051
03:03:54,770 --> 03:03:56,610
chef's knife, a bunch of knives, a paring

5052
03:03:56,610 --> 03:03:56,830
knife.

5053
03:03:56,830 --> 03:03:57,590
You get a bunch of knives.

5054
03:03:58,230 --> 03:04:00,210
And I think that knowing the quality of

5055
03:04:00,210 --> 03:04:00,790
these knives...

5056
03:04:00,990 --> 03:04:01,850
And they give you scissors.

5057
03:04:02,350 --> 03:04:03,750
And you get the scissors, and you get

5058
03:04:03,750 --> 03:04:04,330
a block.

5059
03:04:04,430 --> 03:04:06,050
Unfortunately, the block's a piece of crap.

5060
03:04:06,850 --> 03:04:09,430
But except for the block that holds the

5061
03:04:09,430 --> 03:04:13,990
knives, you got some nice, cheap knives that

5062
03:04:13,990 --> 03:04:15,570
would make a terrific gift.

5063
03:04:17,370 --> 03:04:20,650
I wouldn't gift anybody a Damascus knife.

5064
03:04:20,790 --> 03:04:22,670
It's a stocking stuffer.

5065
03:04:23,950 --> 03:04:25,750
Well, if you have a big stocking.

5066
03:04:27,630 --> 03:04:29,750
So those are the nice things that you

5067
03:04:29,750 --> 03:04:30,290
should know about.

5068
03:04:30,390 --> 03:04:32,310
But a stone, you need a stone.

5069
03:04:32,670 --> 03:04:34,230
Get yourself a stone, people.

5070
03:04:34,390 --> 03:04:36,410
And that is the long-awaited John C.

5071
03:04:36,470 --> 03:04:38,090
Dvorak knife tip of the day.

5072
03:04:38,150 --> 03:04:39,430
Get them all a tip of the day.

5073
03:04:39,430 --> 03:04:40,350
Dot net.

5074
03:04:50,770 --> 03:04:52,890
Aren't you glad you stuck around for that?

5075
03:04:53,550 --> 03:04:54,170
I am.

5076
03:04:54,870 --> 03:04:56,930
I've been waiting for it for weeks, if

5077
03:04:56,930 --> 03:04:57,590
not months.

5078
03:04:57,790 --> 03:04:58,670
Oh, please.

5079
03:04:58,890 --> 03:05:00,090
Tip of the day dot net.

5080
03:05:00,850 --> 03:05:03,250
Someone said, hey, man, you can make money

5081
03:05:03,250 --> 03:05:06,090
by having an Amazon affiliate code.

5082
03:05:06,150 --> 03:05:06,870
I said, no.

5083
03:05:07,510 --> 03:05:10,470
That would ruin the whole concept of our

5084
03:05:10,470 --> 03:05:10,950
show.

5085
03:05:11,770 --> 03:05:13,810
Don't make money off your affiliate sales.

5086
03:05:13,890 --> 03:05:15,130
I want to give you tips for good

5087
03:05:15,130 --> 03:05:15,490
things.

5088
03:05:15,650 --> 03:05:17,190
Cheap products that are great.

5089
03:05:17,990 --> 03:05:20,070
Like a knife that could slice your finger

5090
03:05:20,070 --> 03:05:20,490
off.

5091
03:05:21,470 --> 03:05:22,910
Children use with caution.

5092
03:05:24,210 --> 03:05:25,490
End of show mixes.

5093
03:05:25,650 --> 03:05:29,610
We've got MVP sandwiching a Bonald Crabtree mix.

5094
03:05:29,950 --> 03:05:32,790
And of course, this will be the opening

5095
03:05:32,790 --> 03:05:35,290
number, the first mix you'll hear, to our

5096
03:05:35,290 --> 03:05:36,730
Broadway musical.

5097
03:05:37,390 --> 03:05:39,090
So be on the lookout for that in

5098
03:05:39,090 --> 03:05:41,010
the original soundtrack in stores soon.

5099
03:05:41,850 --> 03:05:43,490
And I'm coming to you from the heart

5100
03:05:43,490 --> 03:05:44,650
of the Texas Hill Country.

5101
03:05:44,850 --> 03:05:47,090
Yesterday, we lit the Christmas tree.

5102
03:05:47,270 --> 03:05:49,290
We had our Christmas concert here on Mark

5103
03:05:49,290 --> 03:05:49,630
Plotz.

5104
03:05:49,990 --> 03:05:52,750
We are Christmas Central for America, everybody.

5105
03:05:53,550 --> 03:05:55,410
In the morning, I'm Adam Curry.

5106
03:05:56,170 --> 03:05:59,250
And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C.

5107
03:05:59,510 --> 03:05:59,970
Dvorak.

5108
03:06:00,070 --> 03:06:01,430
We'll be back here on Thursday.

5109
03:06:01,610 --> 03:06:02,770
Please do join us.

5110
03:06:02,770 --> 03:06:06,150
And if you plan on coming, visit noagendadonations

5111
03:06:06,150 --> 03:06:09,010
.com first to keep the value for value

5112
03:06:09,010 --> 03:06:09,370
going.

5113
03:06:09,450 --> 03:06:13,770
Until then, adios, mofos, hui, hui, and such.

5114
03:06:13,990 --> 03:06:15,070
Let's start the show.

5115
03:06:33,270 --> 03:06:34,450
We don't report.

5116
03:06:34,690 --> 03:06:35,270
We don't condemn.

5117
03:06:35,370 --> 03:06:36,630
But peel the layers back.

5118
03:06:36,990 --> 03:06:38,990
We deconstruct the roots and stem right off

5119
03:06:38,990 --> 03:06:39,870
the beaten track.

5120
03:06:40,210 --> 03:06:42,730
We seek the story underneath the motives high

5121
03:06:42,730 --> 03:06:43,230
and deep.

5122
03:06:43,630 --> 03:06:46,030
With a hope that truth will fade.

5123
03:06:47,410 --> 03:06:48,210
We don't report.

5124
03:06:48,350 --> 03:06:49,030
We don't condemn.

5125
03:06:49,130 --> 03:06:50,390
But peel the layers back.

5126
03:06:50,670 --> 03:06:52,750
We deconstruct the roots and stem right off

5127
03:06:52,750 --> 03:06:53,630
the beaten track.

5128
03:06:53,930 --> 03:06:56,510
We seek the story underneath the motives high

5129
03:06:56,510 --> 03:06:56,990
and deep.

5130
03:06:57,070 --> 03:07:00,470
With original research beneath the secrets that they

5131
03:07:00,470 --> 03:07:01,070
keep.

5132
03:07:01,070 --> 03:07:03,050
No politics to hold our hand.

5133
03:07:03,110 --> 03:07:04,770
Just facts we aim to show.

5134
03:07:05,050 --> 03:07:07,370
For a realistic, objective understanding.

5135
03:07:07,830 --> 03:07:10,980
This is our producer's pay.

5136
03:07:11,080 --> 03:07:13,380
The freight, the value for value way.

5137
03:07:13,460 --> 03:07:15,480
We keep the mission strong and straight to

5138
03:07:15,480 --> 03:07:16,440
fight the slant.

5139
03:07:16,540 --> 03:07:18,900
Each day, we use the humor and the

5140
03:07:18,900 --> 03:07:21,220
jest to pierce the foggy haze.

5141
03:07:21,380 --> 03:07:23,580
So step inside and put the news to

5142
03:07:23,580 --> 03:07:28,020
the O.T. The headlines lie.

5143
03:07:28,160 --> 03:07:28,860
The media bends.

5144
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:30,400
But knowledge sets you free.

5145
03:07:30,480 --> 03:07:31,760
Welcome, dear producer.

5146
03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:39,080
The deconstruction never ends.

5147
03:08:11,360 --> 03:08:15,300
Because now inside the melting pot.

5148
03:08:15,860 --> 03:08:19,700
India, Pakistan, we run and break.

5149
03:08:23,340 --> 03:08:24,860
Solve it, let's do it.

5150
03:08:25,080 --> 03:08:27,500
Gather up a little might.

5151
03:08:27,580 --> 03:08:30,000
And sense the giant hands to wield.

5152
03:08:33,060 --> 03:08:39,060
Future solutions for modern times.

5153
03:08:42,320 --> 03:08:49,820
Saving people money and cutting down on crime.

5154
03:09:13,780 --> 03:09:15,900
And like, look, I mean, I.

5155
03:09:16,060 --> 03:09:18,180
I'm a huge fan of nuts.

5156
03:09:18,460 --> 03:09:19,440
He loves his nuts.

5157
03:09:20,140 --> 03:09:22,480
I love my nuts and what like all,

5158
03:09:22,600 --> 03:09:23,920
all different kinds of nuts.

5159
03:09:24,040 --> 03:09:27,100
Big ones, little ones, lumpy ones with flavoring

5160
03:09:27,100 --> 03:09:27,440
on them.

5161
03:09:27,440 --> 03:09:29,260
Like, I, I have, I.

5162
03:09:29,600 --> 03:09:31,060
It's one of the staples of my diet.

5163
03:09:31,780 --> 03:09:34,660
And, um, but I've always liked pecans and

5164
03:09:34,660 --> 03:09:35,220
walnuts.

5165
03:09:35,400 --> 03:09:36,760
Yeah, I know, exactly.

5166
03:09:37,020 --> 03:09:38,600
I think maybe we should just stop for

5167
03:09:38,600 --> 03:09:38,940
a second.

5168
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:40,620
I've had a request from the boardroom.

5169
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:41,400
I need to play it.

5170
03:09:41,900 --> 03:09:43,300
Just go for it, John.

5171
03:09:43,400 --> 03:09:46,240
Tell us your pet peeve about the fisting

5172
03:09:46,240 --> 03:09:48,140
method of eating peanuts on the plane.

5173
03:09:48,280 --> 03:09:49,720
I see this on the airplane and it's

5174
03:09:49,720 --> 03:09:50,380
very annoying.

5175
03:09:50,500 --> 03:09:51,920
And I think it will resolve in.

5176
03:09:52,220 --> 03:09:53,640
In fights breaking out.

5177
03:09:53,660 --> 03:09:55,420
Because it's just so annoying to watch.

5178
03:09:55,420 --> 03:09:58,200
Guy takes his bag of peanuts and throws

5179
03:09:58,200 --> 03:09:59,960
a pile of them into his palm of

5180
03:09:59,960 --> 03:10:00,380
his hand.

5181
03:10:00,560 --> 03:10:02,020
And then he makes a fist around the

5182
03:10:02,020 --> 03:10:02,400
nuts.

5183
03:10:02,660 --> 03:10:04,180
And then he shakes his fist to try

5184
03:10:04,180 --> 03:10:05,020
to bring a nut.

5185
03:10:05,520 --> 03:10:06,920
To the little hole.

5186
03:10:07,280 --> 03:10:08,680
And then he throws a nut in his

5187
03:10:08,680 --> 03:10:09,620
mouth from his fist.

5188
03:10:09,680 --> 03:10:11,080
Then he does it again.

5189
03:10:12,480 --> 03:10:14,780
He shakes and throws and shakes and throws.

5190
03:10:14,860 --> 03:10:15,580
He shakes and throws.

5191
03:10:25,400 --> 03:10:29,820
It is annoying as hell to watch.

5192
03:10:29,980 --> 03:10:30,280
Ohhhhh.

5193
03:10:40,800 --> 03:10:46,980
The best podcast in the universe.

5194
03:10:47,820 --> 03:10:49,320
Adios, mofo.

5195
03:10:49,820 --> 03:10:54,560
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these guys are so hot.