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people who swim across the channel lunatics adam curry john

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c devora it's sunday may 10 2026 this is your

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award-winning gibbon nation media assassination episode 1876 this is no

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agenda celebrating mob Broadcasting live from Amsterdam. In the morning,

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everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Refinery Row here in

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Northern California. We miss our moms and wish them all

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a happy Mother's Day. I'm John C. DeBore. Yeah, that's

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right. I keep forgetting. We don't have moms. Well, we

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have moms. No. We don't have living moms. Ah, this

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is the difference. We have moms no longer with us,

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yes. And as we know, most people who listen to

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the show hate their mom. Or is it? Or so

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it seems, except during COVID. Has it changed somewhat, perhaps?

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Oh, I can't visit my mom. Oh, no. Second show

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from the... You know, I looked out the window this

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morning. And that sign that caught fire in the hotel?

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Yeah. Literally outside our room. And they took it down.

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I took a picture. It's all scorched. The wall is

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all scorched. I think that is weird. thing called fire.

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Yeah. It's short. There's a couple other strange things I

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just have to talk about. Boots on the ground, you

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know, on Thursday, we had just arrived, and you had

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only seen the inside. at the airport and I've been

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around I've been walking I went to see Christina we

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did the gender reveal we did the gender reveal big

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gender reveal party This is where you scoff. This is

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where you scoff. They're kind of dumb. It was fun,

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though. It was nice. So first of all, In the

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Netherlands, this may be an EU-wide thing. They have done

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something to plastic bottles. And this is very odd to

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me. When you open the top of the plastic bottle,

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It stays attached to the bottle. You can't actually... No,

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it's got a little thing on it. Yeah, it's got

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a little thing on it. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm

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sure this is for climate change or to save the

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Earth. But have you ever had a bottle of water?

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Yeah, I've had a bottle of water. And have you

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just, when you're done with your bottle of water, do

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you just throw the cap away or do you put

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the cap on and throw the bottle away? What I

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tend to do. Oh, here we go. I take the

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bottle, which is usually plastic. Yes. And I squeeze it

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to it so it's like shrunk into the smallest possible

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piece. Then I put the cap on it so it

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can't return to its original size. Then it takes up

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less space in the garbage can. So you are actually

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doing a good thing for the earth with the cap.

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Yep. But you don't need the cap attached to remember.

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Does anyone throw the bottle cap away outside of the

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bottles? Anyone do this? I think it's been done. Oh,

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it doesn't seem like a number one thing. And it's

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kind of annoying because you want to drink out of

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the bottle and then... Yeah, you don't want the thing

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slapping you in the nose. Yes, exactly. Europe. I have

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a, I, before you go on with your little... which

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is important, your conversation about it. It's very important. I

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have to play this in Amsterdam clip, which is a

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girl on Insta. Talking about the screwball stuff that she's

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run into and she's grilling her fake friend about it.

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Here we go. Hey, excuse me, Amsterdam. Quick question. Yeah,

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what is it? So I thought Amsterdam was one of

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those places where anything goes, but I'm hearing something of

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a ban that recently went into effect. Well. Even we

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have our limits. But smoking in coffee shops are still

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legal, yes? Yeah. As are magic mushrooms. Yeah. And public

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nudity. Yeah. So what could have crossed the line that

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you have to ban it now? That would be public

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advertising of fossil fuel products, including meat. So no more

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ads. for gas-powered cars, airlines, or chicken nuggets? Correct. Well,

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I have a lot of questions, but besides that, is

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there anything else you've been cracking down on recently? Yeah,

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young British men. What? You're banning British men? No, no,

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not a ban, but we do have an advertising campaign.

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telling them to stay away. So let me get this

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straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the

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line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers. Yeah, naturally.

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Because one ruins the climate and the other ruins our

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city. Yeah. Well, the ban on young British men, that's...

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that's been going for a while and I think it's

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kind of slowed down because of cheap airfare is over.

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now that they have barely any fuel. Yeah, that's true.

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Because, you know, they were getting on the easy jet

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for 50 bucks and flying over and getting... You just

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fall down drunk. And peeing in the mailbox. Party town.

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Yeah, peeing in the mailboxes and stuff like that. Yeah.

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Well, unfortunately, the mailboxes are connected to the door. You

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know, it's not like a separate mailbox. So you're peeing

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into someone's house through the mailbox. So, yeah, the British

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boys were a bit of a problem. But listen to

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this. So we go to the gender reveal. And my

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first wife is there, who I haven't seen in 10

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years. So, you know, it was kind of an interesting...

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interesting vibe all around. You know, the... Tina had never

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met her. So, you know, you can imagine that was

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interesting. That was great. Actually, it was great. It was

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actually really nice. What do you think? The first question

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she asked me, we sat down for a couple of

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minutes. What do you think the first question was that

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she asked me? Well, I would say this if I

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was her. Think carefully. Think carefully now. I would say.

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Hi Adam, how's the show going? Yeah, no. You get

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another guess. No? No, you get another guess. Uhhh... Hi

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Adam, how's your hemorrhoids? You finally got them cleared up?

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Okay. No. Great, John, no. No! No? She says... I'm

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sure everyone has asked you this. Uh oh. You want

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to guess now? Oh, everyone has asked you this. How

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do you like Texas? First she said, hey, is that

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old dude still alive? No, that's not what she asked.

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She said. What do you think of President Trump? Oh,

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I should have gotten guessed that. What am I thinking?

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The first question out of the gate. And... It is

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the first question from everybody. I didn't expect it from

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her because, yes, there were a lot of questions she

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could have had as the first one at the top

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of her mind. But even... You know Taxi Eric, you

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know Taxi Eric, the guy that tried to kill you

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once? Oh yeah, they almost got me killed. Almost got

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you killed. He says that whenever he gets Americans in

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the car, he picks them up from the airport. They

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all go, oh, Trump. Oh, we hate Trump. We hate

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Trump. Everyone hates Trump. And I'm like, that's odd. So

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only Democrats are traveling to Holland now? No, no, no.

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I think it's because people are afraid. Oh, I get

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it. Yeah, I've pulled that stunt. You know, because they

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know that all of Europe hates Trump. Now, that is

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also not true because Taxi Eric doesn't hate Trump. And

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so anyway, so then my answer to my first wife

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was, Well... You know... I like a lot of things

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he's doing. For instance, our borders are closed and he's

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kicking out the undesirables. When you say this, and it

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works in every case, not just in ex-wives. When you

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say this, they go. Yeah, wow, I wish we had

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a guy here to do something like that. I bet,

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yeah. That's exactly what they say. And there's other things

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that he's done that I think are pretty good. Well,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought about that. So, but

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every single person, the same thing. First you say. I

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like Trump. I think he's doing some good stuff. And

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their face goes... And then you just have to say,

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our borders are closed. And we're kicking out the undesirables.

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I like the use of the term undesirable. That's a

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good one. Well, isn't that the truth? The undesirable? Yeah,

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it's just a term nobody uses anymore. Perfect. Very apt.

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It's good. It's good. And then I guess the only

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other thing that I noticed here... is the ratio of

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commercials to programming. is worse than the United States. It

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is 21 commercials. to every 12 minutes of programming. no

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matter what time of day. 21. 21 commercials of what

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length? Uh, varying between 15 and 60? So what they

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do here a lot is they'll have a... A 60?

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with a 15 second, which is like a little bonus

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for the one previous. So they'll, you know, they'll do

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a thing for some chocolate and then there's like washing

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powder and they'll say, hey, don't forget that chocolate. It's

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really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we do that

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in the States anymore, do we? It's been done, but

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it hasn't. It's not popular. No. Uh, so, uh, I

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do have... a clip here about the extreme ban on

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burgers and petrol and cruises from someone who is very

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disappointing. I thought it was just meat. Now I'm understanding

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it's... No, it's all climate stuff. It's... Anything that has

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to do with fossil fuel. Yes, cruise lines. Airlines, petrol

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cars, all of that is for Boaten. Now the Dutch,

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Amsterdam, putting in place... ban that is so extreme it

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has attracted worldwide attention. Before I get to that though,

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certainly in recent years the Netherlands has seen some pretty

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extreme policies. I mean, in the name of the so-called

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Green Agenda and to comply with EU rules, the Dutch

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government for some reason wanted to close down thousands of

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farms across the country to cut down nitrogen pollution and

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even went this far that if farmers refused to sell

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up, that the Dutch authorities would push ahead with compulsory

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purchases of farms to shut them down. And what you've

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now seen... is this in Amsterdam the There is now

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a ban in place. for certain public adverts. So Amsterdam

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now from the 1st of May, so this is coming

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to effect now. Adverts for burgers, petrol cars, air travel

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and cruises. banned from appearing on billboards, tram shelters. or

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metro stations because of the outlook on environmental targets from

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the Amsterdam authorities who for some reason want to reduce

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local meat consumption. And yeah, believe it or not, this

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is now the policy. being implemented in Amsterdam. And things

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could get even more extreme in terms of Amsterdam because

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it seems now the city actually looking at banning cruise

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ships completely. They're going to look to end sea cruises

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by 2030. Five. They've already decided to reduce the number

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of cruise ships allowed to dock in Amsterdam. That nearly

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halved. And they're now looking at banning cruise ships, something

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that, of course, will cost them a huge amount of

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money in terms of port and tourist taxes. And what

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is not reported is they've reduced the number of slots

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available at the airport. So to fly direct to Amsterdam

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is expensive. I mean, it's already expensive because of... uh

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oil price and jet fuel availability but there's even more

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i mean you look at the ticket It's 75% is

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taxes and fees and carbon and extra airport fees just

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because they don't have enough slots for airplane. This is

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a huge hub at International Airport. The Dutch are crazy.

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And everyone's complaining about the Prime Minister, Twinkle Toes. who

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suckered all the young people in by being openly gay.

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Like, oh yes, LGBTQ, it's going to be great. And

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this kid, all he does is stuff for rich people.

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So this is a country in decline. sad to see.

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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill the cruise

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lines and then take an international hub of major importance

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and screw it? Yeah. That's exactly what they do. Why?

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to save the world. For climate change? Are they nuts?

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Yes. And check this, so Taxi Eric... It isn't a

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full-blown law yet, but they're going to disallow. all diesel

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cars and trucks from the city center. And soon it

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will be, I think that may already be in effect.

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And most of these cabs, you know, these Mercedes cabs

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all used to drive on diesel, of course. because it's

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much cheaper here. Um... And so now they're going to

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ban petrol cars. So he got a hybrid. And he

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can drive about 100 kilometers on battery alone, which is

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enough to drive into the city center and out a

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couple times a day. But they have so many electric

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vehicles. and such a lack of... energy available and grid

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capacity. that he can't even get a three-phase charger at

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home. He has to plug this thing into the wall,

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and it takes four hours to charge something that could

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charge in 25 minutes. um And there are new homes

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being built that will never get electricity. We can't extend

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the grid to these new homes. where they already have

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hundreds of thousands of homes in shortage because they've given

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it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy. Why

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people are not revolting here, I don't understand. It was

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a long-term strategy. I understand it now. That's why you

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legalized marijuana and magic mushrooms. Woo! It's all good, brother.

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Yeah, there you go. You nailed it. You nailed it.

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I don't know what they're going to do in Hungary.

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Here's the latest update. Now they got the new guy

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in. It's a new era for Hungary. Peter Modior is

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set to take his oath as prime minister inside Budapest's

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neo-Gothic parliament. He has called on Hungarians to mark the

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day with a huge party. Celebrating the end of the

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Orban era. We must immediately begin putting our country back

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in order, bringing home EU funds, restarting the economy and

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improving public services, as well as healing the wounds caused

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over recent decades, reunifying the Hungarian nation and of course...

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ensuring justice so that those who committed the crimes of

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the previous system are held accountable. Was it that bad?

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Did we just miss all the reporting? I thought everyone

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loved Orban. uh they did the the corruption i got

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i i think got too much or ramped up i

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have a Report from the BBC, it's similar. Okay, hold

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on a second. Let me see. Is it under Hungary?

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Why, yes it is. Okay. Wait a minute. Why does

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it say Hungry New Guy? Why am I hearing stuff

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about Japan? That's what I'd like to know. Do you

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think it's still coming? Or do you have a Japan

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clip? I never heard this clip. This is under your

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clip. It says, Hungry New Guy won BBC. Interesting. Let

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it play, she would have. No confidence motion against the

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mayor, who's been on medical leaves and suffering a brain

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hemorrhage in February. It means he'll automatically lose his position

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in 10 days. The problem in Hungary is they're now

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speaking Japanese. We've got a real situation on our hands.

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Oh, here we go. It's a bad edit. It was

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a... Moment of pomp and ceremony in Budapest today. A

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fanfare sounded as new members of parliament came into the

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plenary chamber to watch Peter Modja, who won a landslide

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victory in last month's general election, being sworn in as

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prime minister. I, Hungarian Peter, accept that Hungary... In his

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inaugural speech, Mr. Modja said one of his government's first

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steps would be to create an independent office to investigate

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corruption over the past 20 years. That's the period covering

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the government of his predecessor, Viktor Orban. Afterwards, Mr Mojar

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gave another speech to his supporters outside the Parliament, saying

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his premiership would mark a new beginning for his country.

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Take it with you. Take this day with you as

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a memory and remember this day. for your whole life.

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Maybe one day you will show it to your children,

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to your grandchildren, that this is how it was in

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2026, the first day of the free and democratic Hungary.

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Alright. All right. Okay. Well, new guys. You know, the

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funny thing is, you know, the people, I think they

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did like Orban to a point, but I guess the

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scandals were too much. But the other thing is, wasn't

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Orban going to be a dictator for life and he

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was never going to be removed? Yeah, there was some

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of that. Typical. It's the same thing. Trump. You guys

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are going to stay in office forever. Of course, I

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like the fact that Trump jokes about it. It's funny.

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He had some joke the other day about it. He

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says, well, maybe in about a decade when I'm not

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in office anymore. We played it on the show. It

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was about his... Oh, okay. Yeah, play it again. No,

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don't play it again. No, I'm not going to play

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it again. What I'm going to play is... I got

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some brand new hot off the press stuff from this

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morning from the Sunday morning shows. Thank you to Steve,

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the clip collector. We got to talk about Hanta virus.

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I mean, everyone's talking about the Hanta. You know, it's

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funny, before you play that, there's been a couple of

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pieces going around saying, claiming. Yes. The whole thing is

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a fake. Oh, I haven't seen that. The whole thing

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is a fake? Yeah, the whole thing is bogus. The

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people that have died didn't die of Hanta. Oh. And

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this is a complete creation to try to get people

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worked up. Now, I can assure you the dead Dutch

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people are really dead. Well, they might be dead, but

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are they dead? From Hanta. Oh, well... One of them,

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somebody apparently died of old age. It happens to the

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best of us. What I love about this is we're

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just rewinding the movie. We're inserting a new word. We're

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bringing back the same puppets. Who do you want to

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talk to? to right away when there's something deadly going

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on? Peter Hotez. No, that's when we're... We don't have

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a vaccine yet. We're not there yet. What do you

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mean? You know they got 15 in the works, right?

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We got to go back to the genesis. Who was

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the first guy? You need the first guy. Come on.

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Well, it's not Fauci. No, it's Osterholm. Osterholm. Oh, that

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guy. I'm joined now by one of the top infectious

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disease specialists in the country, Dr. Michael Osterholm. The one

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who scared our wits. scared us out of our wits

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when we started with the covid even before the guy

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you ran into it At Rogan. Yeah, when Rogan was

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still in Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly. And he was like,

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oh, yeah, oh, it's really bad. Oh, millions are going

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to die. Of the University of Minnesota, it's good to

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see you this morning. Thank you. Most Americans, of course,

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had never even heard of the Hanta virus. So you

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can understand the kind of fear. What's his name? What's

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his name's wife died of it was? The actor. Gene

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Hackman's wife died of hantavirus and it was all over

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the news. We've heard of it. Well, it's interesting you

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bring that up. Is she kidding? It's interesting you bring

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that up. Because yes, that was one of the things

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that I was curious about myself. I think we actually...

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I think we actually have a clip still. Uh, where

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is it? Hmm, I'll find it. coronavirus or influenza virus.

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This is one that has very limited ability to be

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transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a rare exception.

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And so we have no question about the fact that

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this really is on the end of its run right

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now. And they're very possibly maybe not no additional cases

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from here on out. And I know originally you catch

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it from Rat feces or urine. How many cases... Why

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doesn't she just say rat poop feces? People don't understand

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that word anymore, Martha. Feces are there generally. Good point.

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Yeah, just say rat poop. It's okay. I think you're

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right. I don't think people know what the word feces

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means. I think it's too technical for Americans these days.

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rat poop originally and you hear her thinking about it

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like should i say rat poop should i say Rat

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turds are like, ah, feces. You catch it from rat.

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Feces. You see how she. Yeah, you're right. It's that

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one beat. Chirp, poop. You catch it from rat feces

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or urine. How many cases are there generally in a

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year? In the United States, there are about 30 cases

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a year on average, and they mostly occur west of

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Mississippi. About 96% are west of Mississippi. And it has

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to do with the kind of mouse that lives west

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of the... Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Now we

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switch all of a sudden from rat to mouse. Yeah.

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I don't like it. I don't like that. And now

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he says it's west of the Mississippi because of a

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certain kind of mouse? Yeah. What happened to Rat? The

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rats are out. Really raised our concerns with this boat

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related transmission is the one from South America. Ah, you

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hear what he's saying here? What really raised our concerns

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with this boat related transmission. So he's being sneaky about

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this. Yeah, he's talking about the Andean stream. Yes, and

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that is... hemorrhagic. The Andean strain is like Ebola, Zika,

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without the small heads. Not Zika. Zika's not hemorrhagic. Oh.

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It's the other one. The Marfan. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur.

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Marbur. We got it. We nailed it, people. Nailed it.

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Concerns with this boat-related transmission is the one from South

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America, which is called the Andes train. And that one

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actually on occasion has resulted in person-to-person transmission. Uh-huh. You

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see, he's caging it. He's being careful, but he's slippery,

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this one. Sneaking it in. Yeah, he's sneaking it in.

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And supposedly you aren't... passing that or transmitting that unless

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you're symptomatic. Right. Right now, you can manage the individuals

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who've been exposed very simply by asking... Oh, how can

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we manage? What do you think we can manage them

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with? Come on, come on. What can we manage? What

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is the way to manage every virus? By the way,

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I want to stop the clip. What did he say

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was the number of cases every year? 30. As of

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the end of 2023, 690 cases of hantavirus have been

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reported in the United States. Oh, okay, since surveillance began

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in '93. Okay, it's possible. Alright. I'm sorry. Are you

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experiencing any kind of a fever? And then take the

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temperature. Do you have any symptoms? If somebody is identified

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right at that point... Are you bleeding from your eyes?

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You can put basically an N95 mask on. Oh, okay.

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Back to the N95 mask. Oh, no. We know this

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doesn't stop anything of the kind. And stop all transmission.

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Transmission stops with an N95. So this is why we

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don't need this high-tech, you know, containment facilities, et cetera,

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to monitor these people. We can monitor them very simply.

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And should they stay home? I know these 17 Americans

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are coming back. Shelter in place. Going to Nebraska, they

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will be checked. Self-isolate. And then they're sent home. And

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this is just a trust thing? Just check your fever?

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Are you happy with that? Well, you know, it's not

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actually just a trust thing. In a sense, people really

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do respond to participating in this for their own health

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as well as the health of those around them. We've

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had a lot of experience with this in the past.

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Ebola was a good example. When we had all returning

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health care workers coming back from Africa. back in 2015

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to 2017, we monitored them twice a day for their

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temperature and for any symptoms and that worked very, very

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well. So I have complete confidence that we will have

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good compliance here. And I think within days, this will

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no longer be a story. Okay, all right, within days

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it will no longer be a story. Why would you

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even say that? This is how he gets on TV.

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I would say, check back in a few days. We'll

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see if it's no longer a story. Okay, he's certain.

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One more clip with him. Even the people who were

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let off the ship earlier, at the end of April,

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and are now, some of them, back in the United

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States, no worries there. No worries there in the sense

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that they're going to be monitored now as they weren't

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before. Oh, no worries, because we can monitor them. But

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again, none of them have had any symptoms, onsets, have

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had no suggestion of infection. The same is true with

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all the individuals disembarking right now today. There's no evidence

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any of those individuals were sick. And if you look

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at what happened, the first person that came on the

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ship brought it with them. And you can basically explain

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all the cases that have occurred to date around exposure

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just to that one individual, not to multiple people transmitting

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the virus. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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Put us at ease. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, at

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ease. You're right, John. We go back to March of

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2025. It wasn't all that long ago. Here was the

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report we. played on the show. Tonight, New Mexico authorities

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with tragic revelations to a week-long mystery, saying Gene Hackman

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died of heart disease and complications from Alzheimer's, likely a

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week after his wife Betsy died of the rare, deadly

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disease, Hantavirus. The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman,

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aged 95 years. is hypertensive an atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with

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alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor the cause of

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death for miss betsy hackman aged 65 years is hantavirus

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pulmonary syndrome pulmonary syndrome Now I think that's the, isn't

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that the Andy's version? That's what I... I'm not sure

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at this point. I'm not sure either. Here's the thing

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that... One is pulmonary and the other one is internal

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organs or something. So here's the thing that... that I

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haven't seen any reporting on. Surprise. In the Pfizer document,

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the one that was FOIA, the one that was supposed

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to be locked up for 70 years. 95. 95 years.

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Hantavirus pulmonary infection is on the adverse event. special interest

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list. What? Yes, for the Pfizer vaccine. The RNA vaccine.

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Are they so careless? When they manufactured that they got

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a hantavirus in the vaccine, you think? Well, first of

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all, it's on page 33, which just tickles me. Okay,

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that's good news. So I'm feeling better already. But... So

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there's two ways of looking at it. I don't think

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hantavirus was included in it. The way I read it,

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and it's a very technical document, so we'll have to

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have other people read it and tell us what. what

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we're seeing here. The way I read it is that

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if you have had hantavirus, which could be a mild

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case, you got a fever, you know, some rat poop

464
00:30:05,285 --> 00:30:08,412
slipped into your yogurt, you know, whatever. You didn't die.

465
00:30:08,733 --> 00:30:13,801
It happens. especially if you're west of the Mississippi. Texas,

466
00:30:13,862 --> 00:30:16,343
by the way, is one of the states. Waffle House.

467
00:30:16,886 --> 00:30:20,905
Waffle House. That it can then bring back the exact

468
00:30:21,026 --> 00:30:26,416
same symptoms that you had from hantavirus. So the hantavirus

469
00:30:26,536 --> 00:30:30,734
is kind of dormant inside of you, perhaps? Wow, it

470
00:30:30,754 --> 00:30:36,253
sounds like herpes. Yes, like bad men. Mexican food, it

471
00:30:36,314 --> 00:30:41,361
comes back all of a sudden. Yes. Um... Which doesn't

472
00:30:41,401 --> 00:30:44,068
make any sense, but okay. Well, this is how... But

473
00:30:44,088 --> 00:30:49,033
go ahead. Kara, this is what I'm reading. So that

474
00:30:49,094 --> 00:30:51,565
would kind of make sense if you think about Gene

475
00:30:51,605 --> 00:30:55,519
Hackman's wife. Think she was vaxxed? Do you think these

476
00:30:55,579 --> 00:30:58,129
people were vets? Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding? Of course

477
00:30:58,169 --> 00:31:03,101
she was. So this is what could possibly... create something

478
00:31:03,142 --> 00:31:06,683
that looks like a pandemic which would be in fact

479
00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:13,966
a pandemic of death So. I'm not so cavalier about

480
00:31:14,047 --> 00:31:16,553
all this. Oh, I see what you're saying. What you're

481
00:31:16,654 --> 00:31:22,093
saying is that because there could be numerous, maybe thousands

482
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:28,192
of cases of dormant... Mm-hmm. antivirus infections out there because

483
00:31:28,252 --> 00:31:32,327
of the nature of it, based on this paper, page

484
00:31:32,347 --> 00:31:38,396
33, it's possible that... they could all be triggered by

485
00:31:38,477 --> 00:31:45,072
the COVID shot. Yes, exactly. And then you can use

486
00:31:45,092 --> 00:31:49,771
that as leverage for another fake pandemic. Check it out.

487
00:31:50,543 --> 00:31:55,377
This warning sits, you nailed it. This warning sits alongside

488
00:31:55,458 --> 00:32:05,288
about. Herpes Family Virus Reactivation Uh, symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume

489
00:32:05,308 --> 00:32:11,343
Barre. And there's 1,300 other adverse event of special interest

490
00:32:11,403 --> 00:32:16,094
categories that Pfizer was cataloging as known events. from day

491
00:32:16,316 --> 00:32:18,902
one in the document they wanted to hide for almost

492
00:32:18,922 --> 00:32:26,207
100 years. And so... This is the gift that keeps

493
00:32:26,328 --> 00:32:30,158
on giving. Imagine my surprise when who shows up on

494
00:32:30,218 --> 00:32:32,865
CBS this morning. Come on, you know who that is

495
00:32:32,945 --> 00:32:39,701
now. Bochez. No! Who's the Pfizer douche? Oh yeah, the

496
00:32:39,721 --> 00:32:42,047
guy who's on the board. For more now, we turn

497
00:32:42,087 --> 00:32:45,296
to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves

498
00:32:45,356 --> 00:32:49,287
on the boards of Pfizer and UnitedHealthcare. Welcome back, Doctor.

499
00:32:50,443 --> 00:32:55,300
Thank you. He already sounds bad, doesn't he? He's like,

500
00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:57,665
welcome back, John Lennon. It's almost like he's rolling his

501
00:32:57,866 --> 00:33:00,752
eyes like, I got to do this again. Or maybe

502
00:33:00,772 --> 00:33:02,997
he's like, I hope they don't ask about that document.

503
00:33:03,037 --> 00:33:05,422
Please don't ask about the document. Whatever you do, don't

504
00:33:05,482 --> 00:33:10,197
ask about the document. Welcome back, doctor. thank you so

505
00:33:10,418 --> 00:33:13,775
there have been three deaths linked to the outbreak here

506
00:33:13,815 --> 00:33:17,344
in the us there are six states monitoring potential exposure,

507
00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:20,651
all either linked to the ship itself or flights of

508
00:33:20,711 --> 00:33:23,476
people who have been on the ship, and then those

509
00:33:23,496 --> 00:33:27,864
17 Americans. Do you agree with the CDC and the

510
00:33:27,884 --> 00:33:30,850
World Health Organization that the risk to public health is

511
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:34,960
low? Oh yeah. Yeah, I do agree with that. We

512
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,723
have to concede that there's still things we don't know

513
00:33:36,804 --> 00:33:39,188
about this virus. We haven't had to grapple with many

514
00:33:39,268 --> 00:33:41,573
outbreaks in the past. There's been two large outbreaks in

515
00:33:41,613 --> 00:33:43,978
Argentina. But based on that experience, what we know is

516
00:33:44,038 --> 00:33:47,345
that typically for transmission, you have to have close contact.

517
00:33:47,385 --> 00:33:50,511
We also know that people typically aren't contagious unless they

518
00:33:50,531 --> 00:33:53,397
have showing signs of the infection itself in what we

519
00:33:53,437 --> 00:33:57,221
call the prodromal phase. ProDromo. We have never heard of

520
00:33:57,241 --> 00:33:59,766
the prodromal phase. No, I've never heard this. This is

521
00:33:59,826 --> 00:34:01,670
new. Where they start to have an onset of symptoms

522
00:34:01,791 --> 00:34:05,379
and the progression from that onset of symptoms to severe

523
00:34:05,419 --> 00:34:09,548
disease and in these cases death is typically just days.

524
00:34:09,608 --> 00:34:12,033
This is a very aggressive virus. And so based on

525
00:34:12,093 --> 00:34:14,358
what we know, the transmission risk is low. Now that

526
00:34:14,398 --> 00:34:16,974
said... When you look back at the past experience, there

527
00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:19,237
are these outlier cases where there appears to have been

528
00:34:19,277 --> 00:34:22,782
transmission among people who weren't perceived to be in close

529
00:34:22,822 --> 00:34:25,626
contact. And so there are these cases that we need

530
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:28,330
to look at closely from the past experience and just

531
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:30,994
be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully

532
00:34:31,034 --> 00:34:32,997
about this virus. I will say that we are nearing

533
00:34:33,037 --> 00:34:36,265
the end of the transmission window. for the peace. Transmission

534
00:34:36,325 --> 00:34:39,812
window. What is he? Is he broadcasting now to this

535
00:34:39,932 --> 00:34:43,138
to the satellite? Why is it transmission window? Transmission window

536
00:34:43,158 --> 00:34:45,242
is almost closed. That we need to look at closely.

537
00:34:45,362 --> 00:34:48,147
Yeah, I think so. In the past experience. And just

538
00:34:48,207 --> 00:34:50,812
be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully

539
00:34:50,872 --> 00:34:52,835
about this virus. I will say that we are nearing

540
00:34:52,855 --> 00:34:55,921
the end of the transmission window. for the people who

541
00:34:55,961 --> 00:34:58,506
are being repatriated here in the U.S. And so it

542
00:34:58,546 --> 00:35:00,991
looks to me like the last death on that cruise

543
00:35:01,011 --> 00:35:03,516
ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of

544
00:35:03,577 --> 00:35:08,406
symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation

545
00:35:08,446 --> 00:35:12,398
period is about... If you believe... How about some science,

546
00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:15,348
Dr. Gottlieb? What is this believe crap? cruise ship was

547
00:35:15,388 --> 00:35:18,092
May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on

548
00:35:18,133 --> 00:35:22,920
April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is

549
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,024
about two to six weeks, they'll be at the peak

550
00:35:25,184 --> 00:35:28,529
of that incubation cycle some point this week. So I

551
00:35:28,549 --> 00:35:30,472
think we're about two weeks away from knowing whether or

552
00:35:30,493 --> 00:35:32,957
not there'll be additional cases that come from that initial

553
00:35:32,997 --> 00:35:36,337
outbreak on the cruise ship. Hold on a second. That

554
00:35:36,458 --> 00:35:40,332
contradicts what Osterholm said. He said, nah, it's over. This

555
00:35:40,412 --> 00:35:43,004
is done. This is toast. Now, Gottlieb is giving us

556
00:35:43,144 --> 00:35:47,462
two weeks transmission window space. I don't like this at

557
00:35:47,584 --> 00:35:51,120
all. And of course, the one thing that will not

558
00:35:51,181 --> 00:35:55,293
help, do not listen to the internet. Whatever you do,

559
00:35:55,773 --> 00:35:59,158
whatever you do, do not. I mean, telling you, do

560
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:02,923
not take horse dewormer. So a key moment here. I

561
00:36:02,983 --> 00:36:06,508
mean, the WHO said it's very clear this is not

562
00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:10,173
COVID all over again. But as you know, it has

563
00:36:10,213 --> 00:36:13,818
ignited some of the very same skeptics who during the

564
00:36:13,858 --> 00:36:19,270
pandemic. really questioned our government institutions and the response. The

565
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:23,881
WHO has said there is no research that ivermectin is

566
00:36:23,961 --> 00:36:29,555
an effective treatment for the virus. There's no research. It

567
00:36:29,615 --> 00:36:32,832
doesn't say that it's not effective. There's no research. Well,

568
00:36:32,852 --> 00:36:36,925
of course not. We've never had an outbreak of antivirus.

569
00:36:37,186 --> 00:36:41,034
I'm wondering what you make of these calls for alternative

570
00:36:41,816 --> 00:36:47,568
treatments and resistance of government health advice. There's no treatment.

571
00:36:47,729 --> 00:36:50,455
What alternative treatment is this? This might be a primary

572
00:36:50,515 --> 00:36:55,819
treatment. These people make me mad. According to the date...

573
00:36:56,335 --> 00:37:02,082
I'm sorry, but according to the ivermectin freaks, the hantavirus

574
00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:09,384
is another RNA. Yes. virus which are very easily thwarted

575
00:37:09,425 --> 00:37:15,147
by ivermectin. Ivermectin, man, it'll heal your broken elbow. Ivermectin

576
00:37:15,207 --> 00:37:18,409
is all you need when you travel is Ivermectin and

577
00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:22,408
gaffer tape and you're good to go. Look, I think

578
00:37:22,428 --> 00:37:25,636
we're going to be relitigating the consequences of COVID for

579
00:37:25,677 --> 00:37:27,401
a long time. And I think a lot of people

580
00:37:27,441 --> 00:37:29,707
who are in public health positions right now believe that

581
00:37:29,727 --> 00:37:32,434
their tenure and their appointment to these positions is a

582
00:37:32,495 --> 00:37:35,281
referendum on COVID in some respects. And so that goes

583
00:37:35,321 --> 00:37:37,526
through their public comments. This is not COVID. It's not

584
00:37:37,546 --> 00:37:40,531
going to spread like a pandemic virus, like COVID did,

585
00:37:40,572 --> 00:37:44,078
like a coronavirus did. It spreads far less efficiently. There

586
00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:47,445
aren't any treatments, successful treatments for this virus. Ivermectin certainly

587
00:37:47,545 --> 00:37:50,812
isn't an effective treatment. Just by virtue of its mechanism,

588
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:54,519
it doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication.

589
00:37:54,847 --> 00:37:57,448
in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm, where this virus replicates.

590
00:37:57,509 --> 00:38:01,388
It's just not gonna work. What? What? Well, wait a

591
00:38:01,408 --> 00:38:03,393
minute. It makes it sound like it did work against

592
00:38:03,513 --> 00:38:07,502
other things. What did he just say? He said how

593
00:38:07,903 --> 00:38:11,130
nucleus of makalaka. It works. It does work then in

594
00:38:11,551 --> 00:38:15,300
some situation. In the nucleus of the microplasm makalaka. It

595
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,468
doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in

596
00:38:19,488 --> 00:38:21,833
the nucleus, not the cytoplasm where this virus replicates. It's

597
00:38:21,853 --> 00:38:23,957
just not going to work. So I would encourage people

598
00:38:24,037 --> 00:38:25,701
not to use that. I know that there's been some

599
00:38:25,741 --> 00:38:29,508
things on social media suggesting that people should stockpile ivermectin.

600
00:38:29,528 --> 00:38:31,993
We don't have an effective treatment for hantavirus, and that's

601
00:38:32,013 --> 00:38:34,919
what makes this very menacing. Now, wait, you said that...

602
00:38:34,991 --> 00:38:39,890
There's 15 hantavirus vaccines already in the making? Is that

603
00:38:40,432 --> 00:38:42,480
true? Yeah, yeah. Is that true or you just said

604
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,451
that off the cuff? No, that's absolutely true. That many.

605
00:38:46,063 --> 00:38:49,401
So. The Army's got one, the Navy's got one, there's

606
00:38:49,502 --> 00:38:51,313
all these different ones. There's a big list of them

607
00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:56,435
floating around. People were mocking the list. Now, if I

608
00:38:56,538 --> 00:39:07,024
were... the global liberal world order. And I'm hating everything

609
00:39:07,124 --> 00:39:10,887
Trump is doing. He's wrecking our party. He's screwing it

610
00:39:10,927 --> 00:39:13,829
up with what he's doing with oil. He's screwing it

611
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:17,810
up with the banking. screwing up. He doesn't want to

612
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:23,752
help Ukraine. He's not playing ball with us. Why wouldn't

613
00:39:23,772 --> 00:39:28,855
they just pull the same trick they did in 2019?

614
00:39:29,371 --> 00:39:33,249
You're telling me no one has tabletopped this? No one

615
00:39:33,289 --> 00:39:36,435
has war-gamed it and said, In fact, Two weeks ago,

616
00:39:36,496 --> 00:39:39,771
there was a... One of those things that you always

617
00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:45,623
like to bitch about. Yeah, the war game exercise? There

618
00:39:45,663 --> 00:39:48,331
was an exercise, yeah. What was that original one called

619
00:39:48,371 --> 00:39:52,603
for COVID? E40201? Event 201, I think. Event 201. Event

620
00:39:52,623 --> 00:39:58,288
201, yeah. I mean... Wouldn't you just, I mean, these

621
00:39:58,348 --> 00:40:01,313
are the exact same people. Wouldn't they be like, oh,

622
00:40:01,353 --> 00:40:03,431
this is great. We can get rid of that Trump.

623
00:40:03,755 --> 00:40:06,209
I don't think they can pull this one off. You

624
00:40:06,249 --> 00:40:08,079
can't do it with Hant the virus. Well, they've already

625
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,176
got him in a bad situation. They're trying. You know,

626
00:40:11,196 --> 00:40:14,612
it's like... Come on boys, we can do better than

627
00:40:14,693 --> 00:40:21,014
this. of the gaggle. Well, I think you're going to

628
00:40:21,055 --> 00:40:26,059
be told everything and you already have. very much we

629
00:40:26,099 --> 00:40:30,096
hope under control. It was the ship and I think

630
00:40:30,116 --> 00:40:32,104
we're going to make a full report about it tomorrow.

631
00:40:32,125 --> 00:40:34,233
We have a lot of people, a lot of great

632
00:40:34,273 --> 00:40:40,568
people are studying it. Should be fine. We hope. I

633
00:40:40,608 --> 00:40:41,891
hope not. I mean, I hope not. We'll do the

634
00:40:41,971 --> 00:40:44,396
best we can. Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of

635
00:40:44,456 --> 00:40:48,323
great people. This was not left unturned, this stone by

636
00:40:48,383 --> 00:40:52,331
CBS and Gottlieb about a lot of great people. You

637
00:40:52,611 --> 00:40:57,781
served in the first Trump administration as his... FDA commissioner

638
00:40:57,821 --> 00:41:00,607
in the first term. The person in that job now

639
00:41:00,827 --> 00:41:03,834
has been a guest on this program, Dr. Marty McCary.

640
00:41:04,475 --> 00:41:08,463
He was a vocal critic of COVID response during Trump

641
00:41:08,523 --> 00:41:12,030
and Biden. There's a lot of reporting right now that

642
00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:15,437
his current position, that he's at risk of losing his

643
00:41:15,537 --> 00:41:19,240
job. Given how important the FDA is, they regulate, I

644
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,915
saw, one-fifth of consumer spending in this country. How damaging

645
00:41:24,055 --> 00:41:26,845
would it be to lose its leader, and is there

646
00:41:26,905 --> 00:41:32,143
someone who could step in quickly? No one obvious to

647
00:41:32,183 --> 00:41:35,028
me. And there's been some reporting about different candidates that

648
00:41:35,048 --> 00:41:37,521
could work on an interim basis. there. Marty's a friend.

649
00:41:38,123 --> 00:41:40,247
You know, I think that that's a very difficult job.

650
00:41:40,307 --> 00:41:42,572
It, as you said, regulates about 20% of the U.S.

651
00:41:42,612 --> 00:41:45,377
economy, products that are very important to people's lives, medical

652
00:41:45,418 --> 00:41:49,245
products, food, food safety. And so there's a lot of

653
00:41:49,285 --> 00:41:52,953
debate and consternation about decisions that get made at FDA.

654
00:41:52,973 --> 00:41:55,117
And so it's been a controversial position for whoever's held

655
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,362
that job, including me. You know, I got criticized for

656
00:41:57,402 --> 00:42:00,207
decisions that I made in that position as well. I

657
00:42:00,227 --> 00:42:03,795
think the continued upheaval at FDA has been detrimental to

658
00:42:03,815 --> 00:42:07,161
the agency, not just the speculation about Marty's fate, but

659
00:42:07,201 --> 00:42:09,767
also the departures that we've seen from the agency. The

660
00:42:09,807 --> 00:42:13,714
agency's lost thousands of medical reviewers, some voluntary through the

661
00:42:14,356 --> 00:42:16,620
through the Doge cuts or some forced. through the doge

662
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,067
cuts. Involuntary means some voluntary. There's been a lot of

663
00:42:20,087 --> 00:42:22,211
voluntary departures from the agency. If you look at the

664
00:42:22,392 --> 00:42:24,356
oncology division, they had a starting strength of about 100

665
00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:27,362
medical reviewers at the beginning of this administration. They're down

666
00:42:27,402 --> 00:42:32,211
to about 50. The hematological group that reviews drugs for

667
00:42:32,252 --> 00:42:34,997
leukemia and lymphoma had 21 medical reviewers and it's down

668
00:42:35,017 --> 00:42:39,346
to six. These aren't doctors. These are reviewers who approve

669
00:42:39,366 --> 00:42:42,753
stuff. You know, they're pharma shills. They lost an entire

670
00:42:42,793 --> 00:42:45,077
breast cancer review team. So there's been a lot of

671
00:42:45,137 --> 00:42:48,624
departures from the agency. You've seen political appointees take over

672
00:42:48,684 --> 00:42:52,352
what are typically career leadership positions, running the medical product

673
00:42:52,392 --> 00:42:54,997
centers, the drug center, and the biologic center. So I

674
00:42:55,057 --> 00:42:57,163
think, cumulatively, that's... That's taken a toll on the agency,

675
00:42:57,584 --> 00:42:59,711
and this continued speculation that we saw on Friday I

676
00:42:59,731 --> 00:43:02,500
think is just going to be another step downward. Uh-huh.

677
00:43:02,821 --> 00:43:05,108
I'm just saying they're setting it up. They're setting it

678
00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:07,195
up in case they need to. If they decide to

679
00:43:07,255 --> 00:43:10,354
pull the trigger, all you need is the media. All

680
00:43:10,395 --> 00:43:12,155
you need is a bunch of people who have this

681
00:43:12,722 --> 00:43:17,170
adverse event. That's just, what was it? adverse events special

682
00:43:17,251 --> 00:43:24,105
investigation thing. that reactivates this hentavirus. I mean, it's clear

683
00:43:24,186 --> 00:43:26,776
that there's a lot of things going on with side

684
00:43:26,816 --> 00:43:31,193
effects of, I would say specifically the Pfizer mRNA. Hate

685
00:43:31,233 --> 00:43:35,378
to say it. Not with everybody, for sure. Praise God,

686
00:43:35,398 --> 00:43:37,503
our... two of our daughters are still good and they've

687
00:43:37,806 --> 00:43:44,723
been Vax to the hilt. Lots of boosters? Many boosters.

688
00:43:45,365 --> 00:43:50,180
Yes. Many, many boosters. It hurts my heart, man. So,

689
00:43:50,441 --> 00:43:53,823
luckily. Luckily, they're okay. Now, if you don't mind, I

690
00:43:53,843 --> 00:43:56,274
just want to stay on the pharma. tip for a

691
00:43:56,356 --> 00:43:59,502
second because I would have saved this for later on

692
00:43:59,562 --> 00:44:03,115
in the show, but Gottlieb went into this, and I

693
00:44:03,196 --> 00:44:07,211
have a couple of clips from a recent Maha Institute.

694
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,341
And this is the MK Ultra that we've been talking

695
00:44:10,402 --> 00:44:16,668
about of SSRIs. And I don't think people understand. how

696
00:44:17,149 --> 00:44:22,039
big of a disaster this is. Except for Kamala Harris's

697
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,227
stepdaughter, who paused from crocheting to think, hmm, I've been

698
00:44:26,267 --> 00:44:28,392
on these things for over a decade. I wonder if

699
00:44:28,432 --> 00:44:31,677
there's something up with that. So here's Gottlieb. He leads

700
00:44:31,738 --> 00:44:33,648
us right down the path. I want to ask you

701
00:44:33,688 --> 00:44:39,607
about some of current leadership. there. Secretary Kennedy was speaking

702
00:44:39,747 --> 00:44:43,715
about the use of antidepressants in this country. Almost 17%

703
00:44:43,995 --> 00:44:47,462
of Americans use them. He says they're overprescribed, and he

704
00:44:47,743 --> 00:44:51,650
compared his experience of heroin withdrawal to a family member's

705
00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:56,019
experience getting off antidepressants known as SSRIs. Take a listen.

706
00:44:57,467 --> 00:45:01,157
I watched a family member get off of them after

707
00:45:01,197 --> 00:45:05,509
a couple of years on them and she was suicidal

708
00:45:05,549 --> 00:45:09,440
literally every day. She woke up every morning and said,

709
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:13,032
"I don't want to live." And she said, The only

710
00:45:13,073 --> 00:45:15,734
reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the

711
00:45:15,794 --> 00:45:20,238
family. He later said that he was not telling people

712
00:45:20,299 --> 00:45:24,254
to stop if they're taking that medication. But what do

713
00:45:24,294 --> 00:45:30,192
you make of his description of antidepressants as risky? Look,

714
00:45:30,212 --> 00:45:32,482
these are prescribed in a primary care setting. Like any

715
00:45:32,522 --> 00:45:34,390
drug that's prescribed in that setting, I'm sure there's some

716
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:39,000
marginal prescribing, you know. isolated marginal prescribing. What does that

717
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,894
mean, marginal prescribing? Does that mean over-prescribing? Is that a

718
00:45:43,155 --> 00:45:47,857
tricky term? I think what he means by marginal is

719
00:45:47,917 --> 00:45:51,366
that maybe the person doesn't need that drug, but they

720
00:45:51,446 --> 00:45:54,594
get it prescribed anyway. They're on the margin. Okay. But

721
00:45:54,614 --> 00:45:56,900
for most Americans who take these drugs, they're very important

722
00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:59,966
and in some cases life-saving and I would encourage everyone

723
00:46:00,006 --> 00:46:02,952
who is thinking about potentially stopping these medications based on

724
00:46:02,992 --> 00:46:05,858
the Secretary's comments to consult their doctor. There is a

725
00:46:06,218 --> 00:46:07,982
period of time that patients need to be weaned off

726
00:46:08,022 --> 00:46:10,226
these drugs. They can be successfully weaned off these drugs.

727
00:46:10,246 --> 00:46:12,411
They can be if you're lucky. They want to be

728
00:46:12,431 --> 00:46:15,277
and there's alternatives that could be effective for their mental

729
00:46:15,317 --> 00:46:18,844
health but nobody should just stop. these drugs outright without

730
00:46:19,004 --> 00:46:21,449
being under the consultation of a medical provider. I worry

731
00:46:21,489 --> 00:46:24,675
that the Secretary's comments is going to discourage legitimate use

732
00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:26,639
of these drugs in the same way that his comments

733
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,425
around Tylenol, discourage use of Tylenol in the setting of

734
00:46:29,445 --> 00:46:31,870
pregnancy where it could be very important for certain pregnant

735
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:34,174
women who need pain relief and fever relief in that

736
00:46:34,234 --> 00:46:37,461
setting. We saw a lot of women... Quick, quick, I

737
00:46:37,521 --> 00:46:40,166
love that little pivot. Hey, these guys are stupid about

738
00:46:40,206 --> 00:46:44,134
Tylenol. Don't talk about the SSRI. Move away from those

739
00:46:44,194 --> 00:46:46,539
drugs, use those drugs, even appropriate use of those drugs.

740
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:48,863
Based on the secretary's comments about that, I worry about

741
00:46:48,883 --> 00:46:51,528
the same thing here. It's clear that the secretary wants

742
00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:54,715
to put downward pressure on the prescribing. He tried to

743
00:46:54,755 --> 00:46:57,408
implement regulatory steps to do that as well. And so

744
00:46:57,428 --> 00:46:59,899
it is concerning. So I got a couple of boots

745
00:46:59,979 --> 00:47:01,988
on the ground since we've been talking about this topic.

746
00:47:02,068 --> 00:47:07,936
First one from Laurens. and she is 35 she lives

747
00:47:07,996 --> 00:47:11,385
in amsterdam was put on lexa pro in 2021 says

748
00:47:11,425 --> 00:47:13,750
i want to support your take on ssri's by sharing

749
00:47:13,811 --> 00:47:17,319
my own experience 2021 i was 35 a well-meaning doc

750
00:47:17,299 --> 00:47:19,162
A doctor here in Amsterdam put me on Lexapro, a

751
00:47:19,183 --> 00:47:22,869
strong SSRI. It made me extremely agitated, not to mention

752
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:25,835
aggressive, and I'm normally a pretty relaxed person. While I

753
00:47:25,875 --> 00:47:28,219
was taking this, I started spending most of my weekends

754
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,548
drinking black coffee, watching very violent video games on YouTube.

755
00:47:33,028 --> 00:47:35,493
The kind of games where you're ripping monsters in half

756
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:38,483
with a chainsaw. I had no interest in playing these

757
00:47:38,543 --> 00:47:42,535
games, I just enjoyed the graphic violence. Again, normally I'm

758
00:47:42,575 --> 00:47:45,483
a pretty relaxed person, but these drugs made me aggressive

759
00:47:45,684 --> 00:47:53,542
and hypomanic. SSRIs boost serotonin and serotonin is a substance

760
00:47:53,562 --> 00:47:56,135
that makes you feel safe and dominant. So it's not

761
00:47:56,175 --> 00:47:58,402
hard to imagine why this could lead to dangerous behavior.

762
00:47:58,422 --> 00:48:01,207
Of course, doctors are not all aware, since these kinds

763
00:48:01,267 --> 00:48:03,712
of side effects could easily be attributed to something else.

764
00:48:03,792 --> 00:48:06,077
Maybe you're having a difficult time at work, you just

765
00:48:06,117 --> 00:48:08,522
need to meditate. And doctors mean well, but they don't

766
00:48:08,562 --> 00:48:11,147
have the time, so maybe they just prescribe you some

767
00:48:11,267 --> 00:48:14,333
benzos, which is not the same as SSRIs, to calm

768
00:48:14,373 --> 00:48:17,581
you down. At any rate, getting off SSRIs... is its

769
00:48:17,761 --> 00:48:22,642
own form of torture with mood changes, brain zaps, and

770
00:48:22,682 --> 00:48:25,294
lots of other fun stuff that will haunt you until

771
00:48:25,334 --> 00:48:28,168
the end of your days. Getting off these drugs was

772
00:48:28,188 --> 00:48:29,875
absolutely the right thing for me, and I think listening

773
00:48:29,915 --> 00:48:32,948
to the show first put into my head how dangerous

774
00:48:32,988 --> 00:48:41,217
these drugs can be. John, another score. pharmacology note, Lexapro,

775
00:48:41,397 --> 00:48:47,606
which the medical term is escitalopram, is recognized as having

776
00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:51,351
one of the highest affinities and top-tier selectivity for serotonin

777
00:48:51,431 --> 00:48:55,937
transport among SSRIs, often considered the most typical or selective

778
00:48:55,957 --> 00:49:00,288
due to its minimal binding. to other receptors. And so

779
00:49:00,731 --> 00:49:06,043
the Maha Institute, which is a RFK Jr. symposium. had

780
00:49:06,084 --> 00:49:11,574
this Dr. Anders Sorensen from, I think he's Norway or

781
00:49:11,655 --> 00:49:14,931
Denmark. And he gave a little spiel. I clipped three

782
00:49:15,193 --> 00:49:19,274
or four short clips. About SSRIs. They're short. One of

783
00:49:19,315 --> 00:49:23,381
them is 35 seconds, so they're short. about SSRIs and

784
00:49:23,582 --> 00:49:27,696
getting off of them. So in 2018, a study was

785
00:49:27,796 --> 00:49:33,053
published in the BMJ asking one very simple question. Do

786
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,363
parachutes. Reduce the risk of death. when jumping from an

787
00:49:37,425 --> 00:49:42,650
aircraft. - The researchers compared two groups, one jumping with

788
00:49:42,811 --> 00:49:48,748
and one without. The result, no significant difference between the

789
00:49:48,788 --> 00:49:53,377
groups. Parachutes, it seemed, offered no protective effect, compared to

790
00:49:53,418 --> 00:49:56,919
those jumping without one. But there was one small detail.

791
00:49:56,991 --> 00:50:00,319
hidden in the methods section, which you of course always

792
00:50:00,359 --> 00:50:04,989
remember to read. All participants had jumped from an aircraft

793
00:50:05,189 --> 00:50:07,936
parked on the ground from an average of half a

794
00:50:07,996 --> 00:50:12,649
meter. And as the authors noted, one should be cautious

795
00:50:12,729 --> 00:50:18,296
in extrapolating their findings to real-world high-altitude jumps. We might

796
00:50:18,356 --> 00:50:21,203
laugh at this silly study, but it stops being funny

797
00:50:21,263 --> 00:50:24,530
when you realize we're doing something very similar in psychiatry

798
00:50:24,550 --> 00:50:29,241
today. Fast forward to 2025, a study in the American

799
00:50:29,281 --> 00:50:32,589
Journal of Medicine compared how long antidepressants were studied in

800
00:50:32,629 --> 00:50:35,576
the randomized trials we rely on compared to how long

801
00:50:35,636 --> 00:50:40,619
people actually take them. The median duration of the trials

802
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,738
was eight weeks. meaning that most participants are only going

803
00:50:44,758 --> 00:50:47,167
to be on these drugs for two months. And the

804
00:50:47,227 --> 00:50:51,799
median duration of real world use in the US Five

805
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:57,819
years. So we're using short-term evidence to guide long-term treatment.

806
00:50:58,179 --> 00:51:01,484
And that gap matters, especially when it comes to dependence

807
00:51:01,605 --> 00:51:05,925
and withdrawal. Yeah. So you can already see where this

808
00:51:06,005 --> 00:51:09,496
is going, that they have no idea how bad these

809
00:51:09,576 --> 00:51:11,743
things are if you want to get off of them.

810
00:51:12,419 --> 00:51:17,857
Since 1997, SSRI withdrawal has been described as mostly mild

811
00:51:17,877 --> 00:51:21,673
abuse. self-limiting, lasting a week or two, mentioning only a

812
00:51:21,733 --> 00:51:27,078
handful of the more than 80 reported symptoms. That's what

813
00:51:27,098 --> 00:51:31,119
the guidelines say. because they're based on short-term trials far

814
00:51:31,179 --> 00:51:35,851
from reality. So what happens in practice? People who've been

815
00:51:35,912 --> 00:51:40,467
on these drugs for years decades are tapered off as

816
00:51:40,649 --> 00:51:44,961
if they've been taking them for months. often by aggressively

817
00:51:45,002 --> 00:51:48,059
halving the dose, halving again and then stopping. And when

818
00:51:48,099 --> 00:51:52,030
that goes wrong, which it often does, They call it

819
00:51:52,090 --> 00:51:56,110
a relapse of an underlying condition. Conclusion, you still need

820
00:51:56,150 --> 00:52:00,502
the medication. So back on the drug, symptoms resolve and

821
00:52:00,543 --> 00:52:04,872
the therapeutic illusion is complete. It looks like the drug

822
00:52:04,972 --> 00:52:08,971
is treating an underlying illness, when in fact it might

823
00:52:09,011 --> 00:52:13,458
be just relieving withdrawal. But before we conclude a relapse,

824
00:52:13,518 --> 00:52:16,593
which of course could be the case, withdrawal has to

825
00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:18,866
be ruled out first. All right, so what are some

826
00:52:18,907 --> 00:52:23,202
of these symptoms? What's confusing is that withdrawal from psychiatric

827
00:52:23,222 --> 00:52:28,189
drug isn't just physical symptoms. It's not just dizziness, nausea,

828
00:52:28,289 --> 00:52:32,029
headaches, muscle pain, shaking, burning sensations, fatigue. I mean, it's

829
00:52:32,049 --> 00:52:38,747
that too. But it's also anxiety. Insomnia, irritability. Depressed mood,

830
00:52:38,788 --> 00:52:44,251
mood swings, brain fork, difficulty concentrating, intrusive thoughts. Withdrawal can

831
00:52:44,292 --> 00:52:49,185
limit relapse. or new diagnosis for which there are also

832
00:52:49,225 --> 00:52:53,687
drugs. The symptoms overlap. And if you don't recognize withdrawal,

833
00:52:54,149 --> 00:52:58,643
you will misinterpret it. SSRIs are definitely not harder to

834
00:52:58,703 --> 00:53:01,768
quit than heroin, says producer Tim. That's only a commentary

835
00:53:01,828 --> 00:53:05,234
on heroin, not on SSRIs. They're incredibly difficult to quit.

836
00:53:05,735 --> 00:53:08,420
The long and short of it is you go incredibly

837
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,666
crazy in sort of a bipolar mood swing kind of

838
00:53:11,726 --> 00:53:13,930
way for the duration of your withdrawal, which is about

839
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:18,839
a month. Medical best practice. is to very precisely titrate

840
00:53:18,979 --> 00:53:21,107
off the dose over a span of several months. But

841
00:53:21,147 --> 00:53:23,054
again, I found out the hard way. A lot of

842
00:53:23,094 --> 00:53:26,220
doctors just don't know what they're supposed to do. Final

843
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,810
clip, which tells you the story that we already know

844
00:53:28,850 --> 00:53:32,925
from these, from previous medications. And we've been here before,

845
00:53:34,049 --> 00:53:38,443
historically. We start with benzodiazepines. introduced first as safe and

846
00:53:38,483 --> 00:53:42,895
effective with minimal concern of dependence until decades later dependence

847
00:53:42,975 --> 00:53:47,267
and severe withdrawal became undeniable. Then we saw it again

848
00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,816
with opioids, again aggressively marketed as safe and effective for

849
00:53:50,856 --> 00:53:55,080
chronic pain until we had an epidemic. The pattern is

850
00:53:55,121 --> 00:53:59,313
the same. A new drug is introduced, framed as safe

851
00:53:59,354 --> 00:54:03,760
and effective, gets widely prescribed. Then people start having trouble

852
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,552
coming off it. Then research begins to confirm what patients

853
00:54:07,652 --> 00:54:11,584
are experiencing. But that research is pushed aside, ignored, because

854
00:54:11,644 --> 00:54:15,597
it challenges the prevailing paradigm. It's textbook paradigm shift from

855
00:54:15,737 --> 00:54:22,045
Thomas Kuhn. 1962 classic. So prescribing continues. And recognition comes

856
00:54:22,126 --> 00:54:26,352
years, often decades later. And then the cycle repeats with

857
00:54:26,472 --> 00:54:30,941
new safe and effective drought until we understand this. The

858
00:54:31,001 --> 00:54:33,984
body doesn't care what we call the drug or what

859
00:54:34,044 --> 00:54:38,112
receptors it acts on. It's just the depths. Setting the

860
00:54:38,132 --> 00:54:44,264
stage for withdrawal and dependence. Help! There it is. uh

861
00:54:44,688 --> 00:54:46,300
i like the fact that we at least got one

862
00:54:46,381 --> 00:54:49,961
person off or at least to consider it You know,

863
00:54:49,981 --> 00:54:52,716
some couple years ago, Francine Hardaway sent a note in.

864
00:54:53,078 --> 00:54:57,653
Oh, goodness. Dame Francine. We haven't heard from Dame. Francine

865
00:54:57,796 --> 00:55:01,977
in Eons. I stay in touch with her. Oh, good.

866
00:55:02,018 --> 00:55:07,573
How's she doing? She's writing a lot. She has a

867
00:55:07,653 --> 00:55:13,972
substance. She writes these personal anecdotes and she's got about

868
00:55:14,012 --> 00:55:17,283
a book's worth of material. Oh, wow. Does she still

869
00:55:17,345 --> 00:55:21,002
listen to the show? I doubt it. So what did

870
00:55:21,063 --> 00:55:23,983
she have to say? Oh, she said these things are

871
00:55:24,023 --> 00:55:28,325
the worst. You can't get off them. Yeah. Well, you

872
00:55:28,366 --> 00:55:34,804
can, apparently, but it's not easy. It's not easy. *Sigh*

873
00:55:35,791 --> 00:55:38,146
Well, maybe we'll save one more person, John. You know,

874
00:55:38,367 --> 00:55:42,865
there is a presentation floating around on YouTube. And I'll

875
00:55:43,129 --> 00:55:47,321
try to get it, dig it up and... Clip it.

876
00:55:47,502 --> 00:55:49,772
Get it to the show notes of all these different

877
00:55:49,812 --> 00:55:54,171
drugs from Darvon to Quaaludes, one thing after another. I

878
00:55:55,035 --> 00:55:57,609
think there's like the top. 25 drugs that have been

879
00:55:57,649 --> 00:56:02,509
taken off the market. And the underlying theme is, well,

880
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:06,967
they had some data, but they kept it to themselves.

881
00:56:07,387 --> 00:56:10,755
It's like a theme. The drug companies say, it's like,

882
00:56:10,956 --> 00:56:15,169
now you have to wonder. what the deal is with

883
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:19,432
some of these drugs. Are doctors being, is there evidence

884
00:56:19,452 --> 00:56:22,477
that doctors are bribed? I mean, the pediatric doctors are

885
00:56:22,537 --> 00:56:25,441
totally bribed to vex up the kids. Well, they also.

886
00:56:25,522 --> 00:56:27,144
Or they kick you out of a practice. Well, no,

887
00:56:27,184 --> 00:56:31,992
this system is clear. The drug goes to all those

888
00:56:32,493 --> 00:56:37,005
people on the review team who Kennedy has fired. and

889
00:56:37,065 --> 00:56:41,894
replace their former farmer people. I'm talking about at the

890
00:56:41,994 --> 00:56:48,767
street level. Are doctors being paid off to prescribe drugs?

891
00:56:48,847 --> 00:56:51,920
No, but listen. This is what I'm saying. The first

892
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:55,654
part is... It goes to the FDA, the FDA has

893
00:56:55,715 --> 00:56:57,923
the shield. The SHIELDS goes, yep, it looks good to

894
00:56:57,983 --> 00:57:00,748
me. I mean, whatever you show me, I don't want

895
00:57:00,788 --> 00:57:02,872
to see anything else. That's good. Then it gets a

896
00:57:02,932 --> 00:57:05,938
safe and effective approval. Then the reps go to the

897
00:57:05,999 --> 00:57:08,784
doctors and they say, safe and effective, would you like

898
00:57:08,824 --> 00:57:10,948
to buy some? Would you like to serve this to

899
00:57:10,988 --> 00:57:14,375
your patients? And here's a set of golf clubs. And

900
00:57:14,415 --> 00:57:18,556
here's a speed. We all saw the doctor. documentary. And

901
00:57:18,596 --> 00:57:21,236
here's a party and here's a cruise and, you know,

902
00:57:21,256 --> 00:57:23,833
et cetera, et cetera. Because they've been told it's safe

903
00:57:23,873 --> 00:57:26,163
and effective. Their butts are covered by the FDA. The

904
00:57:26,203 --> 00:57:30,020
whole system is crooked. And I think RFK Jr. is

905
00:57:30,121 --> 00:57:34,707
doing something here. It does seem like he's creating some

906
00:57:34,747 --> 00:57:40,580
awareness through a podcast. Yay! because you're not going to

907
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,804
see it on CNN, who live by this stuff. That's

908
00:57:43,844 --> 00:57:47,443
the other part of it. So yeah, so the doctors.

909
00:57:47,831 --> 00:57:55,478
They have, what is it, what is the term? Wait,

910
00:57:55,539 --> 00:58:02,848
culpab- uh, uh... about culpability. They- I don't know. Yes,

911
00:58:02,868 --> 00:58:09,844
you do. There's a term that says, I... Liability? Indemnification?

912
00:58:09,944 --> 00:58:13,533
Are we talking about... No, no. Where you have a

913
00:58:13,593 --> 00:58:15,979
way to show that you couldn't have known because you

914
00:58:15,999 --> 00:58:20,446
had... Oh yeah, right. Plausible deniability. Plausible deniability. Thank you.

915
00:58:20,646 --> 00:58:22,989
There you go. Boomer moment for both of us. Yes.

916
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:29,399
Not for me. Okay. For me then. Boomer adjacent moment.

917
00:58:29,459 --> 00:58:33,125
Plausible deniability. Yeah, it's sick. It's sick, I tell you.

918
00:58:33,245 --> 00:58:37,612
Sick. Sick, sick, sick. Well, it is bad. Yeah. All

919
00:58:37,633 --> 00:58:42,638
right, let's get to politics. Woo! Because big news. In

920
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:47,952
the UK? Yeah. Yeah, this was great. Yeah, the UK,

921
00:58:48,072 --> 00:58:51,443
the labor, and the preface to these, I only have

922
00:58:51,463 --> 00:58:53,390
three clips, but you don't need that much of it

923
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:56,620
to understand what's going on. The election took place. The

924
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,297
council elections. This was live on television. Yeah, it was

925
00:59:01,337 --> 00:59:04,984
the little boys. The little local elections, yes. and that

926
00:59:05,044 --> 00:59:09,738
labor just ate it. And now everyone's predicting that both

927
00:59:09,778 --> 00:59:13,629
labor and the conservatives, they, conservatives, did not do well.

928
00:59:13,769 --> 00:59:21,757
Nope. Nope. parties. Maybe going the way of the dodo,

929
00:59:21,777 --> 00:59:24,970
and maybe these new parties will be coming up, especially

930
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:31,772
led by Farage's operation. Yeah, the Reform Party. Yeah, which

931
00:59:31,993 --> 00:59:35,291
he started because he basically quit the other one. What

932
00:59:35,311 --> 00:59:36,819
was the one he started before? What was it called?

933
00:59:37,755 --> 00:59:40,421
He had another party. Wasn't it the Brexit party? Wasn't

934
00:59:40,441 --> 00:59:43,949
that the Brexit party? No, no, it was UK. It

935
00:59:43,969 --> 00:59:46,475
was something that had some jazzy sound to it. It

936
00:59:46,515 --> 00:59:48,420
was very similar to the Reform Party, but it was

937
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:50,504
different. And he had to quit it because there were

938
00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:54,574
too many nut balls that had joined it. It happens.

939
00:59:54,594 --> 00:59:57,741
Yeah, so he just started a new party. which has

940
00:59:57,781 --> 01:00:01,148
done quite well. But let's play what's happening here. There's

941
01:00:01,168 --> 01:00:05,476
election shift BBC. The beleaguered British Prime Minister Keir Starmer

942
01:00:05,516 --> 01:00:09,364
has again insisted he isn't going anywhere following the disastrous

943
01:00:09,424 --> 01:00:13,011
results for his governing Labour Party in English local elections

944
01:00:13,392 --> 01:00:17,260
and the devolved parliamentary votes in Scotland and Wales. I

945
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:20,326
think we have to set out the path ahead, and

946
01:00:20,366 --> 01:00:23,152
that's what I intend to do in coming days, how

947
01:00:23,212 --> 01:00:27,360
we rebuild, how we convince people about hope for the

948
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:30,006
future, and we haven't done enough of that. So I

949
01:00:30,026 --> 01:00:35,356
will be setting that out with clarity about my convictions

950
01:00:35,397 --> 01:00:38,987
and my values. What drives me forward on this? Keir

951
01:00:39,007 --> 01:00:42,694
Starmer has now invited two veteran Labour politicians to help

952
01:00:42,814 --> 01:00:46,621
rebrand his premiership, including the former Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

953
01:00:47,082 --> 01:00:49,747
But some MPs within the party are continuing to call

954
01:00:49,787 --> 01:00:52,692
for him to set a timetable for his departure after

955
01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:57,080
Labour suffered huge losses, mainly to the right-wing populist. Reform

956
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,908
Party. Our UK political correspondent Rob Watson says it's a

957
01:01:01,068 --> 01:01:05,036
seismic shift in party allegiances. The more I've reflected on

958
01:01:05,096 --> 01:01:08,142
it overnight, Alex, the bigger and the more significant it

959
01:01:08,222 --> 01:01:10,968
seems because it really does seem as though the old

960
01:01:10,988 --> 01:01:14,675
order has crumbled and a new order is taking shape.

961
01:01:15,397 --> 01:01:17,669
And I rate it up there as... being as significant,

962
01:01:17,689 --> 01:01:20,614
this ending of the duopoly of conservatives and labor with

963
01:01:20,674 --> 01:01:23,718
the creation of the welfare state after the Second World

964
01:01:23,779 --> 01:01:27,324
War in 1945, with the Suez Crisis in the 1950s,

965
01:01:27,825 --> 01:01:30,449
where Britain ceased to be an imperial power after its

966
01:01:30,489 --> 01:01:34,836
humiliation, Mrs. Thatcher coming to power in 1979, and the

967
01:01:34,876 --> 01:01:37,341
Brexit vote. I think it is that. big, it's that

968
01:01:37,401 --> 01:01:40,170
significant. And while it's true that the Labour Party is

969
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:42,357
flirting with that and will no doubt get rid of

970
01:01:42,497 --> 01:01:45,506
Keir Starmer in the not too distant future, well certainly

971
01:01:45,546 --> 01:01:48,255
between now and the next election. It was the UK

972
01:01:48,435 --> 01:01:54,575
Independence Party. Right. I looked it up too. UKIP. Yeah.

973
01:01:54,963 --> 01:01:58,242
UKIP. Yeah, and then they became nutty, and so he

974
01:01:58,707 --> 01:02:01,975
bailed out. After they tried to kill him. Remember they

975
01:02:02,015 --> 01:02:05,641
tried to kill him? The plane crash? Yeah, the plane

976
01:02:05,681 --> 01:02:09,038
crash. Oh, the plane crash. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah,

977
01:02:09,098 --> 01:02:10,967
yeah. Of course, they always try to kill these people.

978
01:02:11,707 --> 01:02:15,716
Yeah. The Gandhi's clip to. The facts that's driving this

979
01:02:15,797 --> 01:02:18,123
are just. unlikely to go away. And there are three,

980
01:02:18,143 --> 01:02:19,947
and they're not unique to Britain. The first one is

981
01:02:20,488 --> 01:02:22,572
the economic squeeze. I mean, a lot of this anger

982
01:02:22,612 --> 01:02:25,237
is driven by voters feeling that they're living standards. Oh,

983
01:02:25,257 --> 01:02:28,444
really? That's the only thing? Really? That's all that it

984
01:02:28,464 --> 01:02:31,209
is? That's just one. Okay. All right. All right. All

985
01:02:31,229 --> 01:02:33,614
right. It's a falling that wide about housing and the

986
01:02:33,734 --> 01:02:37,409
economic forecast for the next decade suggests. Britain is not

987
01:02:37,469 --> 01:02:40,634
going to grow, so that's number one. Number two is

988
01:02:40,674 --> 01:02:45,381
just Keir Starmer's own personal unpopularity. He is so unpopular.

989
01:02:45,462 --> 01:02:48,246
I mean, it is just extraordinary. It's almost off the

990
01:02:48,286 --> 01:02:51,411
scale. No politician has ever come back from that. And

991
01:02:51,451 --> 01:02:54,116
then the third one is what you might call culture,

992
01:02:54,156 --> 01:02:57,777
values, issues, identity issues. And that is the anger that's

993
01:02:57,878 --> 01:03:00,023
out there in Britain, as in so many other countries,

994
01:03:00,103 --> 01:03:05,936
about immigration, social cohesion, multiculturalism, how you treat British history.

995
01:03:06,257 --> 01:03:09,324
And that, again, does not look like dissipating. Oh, did

996
01:03:09,344 --> 01:03:13,974
they not bring in the Mandelson-Epstein? No, no. That was

997
01:03:14,014 --> 01:03:18,655
the big deal in Parliament. Yeah, but that wasn't the

998
01:03:18,676 --> 01:03:23,106
reason people voted these guys out. I don't think the

999
01:03:23,146 --> 01:03:26,153
British public at large gives a shit about any of

1000
01:03:26,234 --> 01:03:29,482
it. In fact, when I talked to Orlowski about it,

1001
01:03:29,522 --> 01:03:32,830
he still thinks that Mandelson was still calling the shots

1002
01:03:33,673 --> 01:03:37,224
at 10 Downing from the get-go. continue to do so

1003
01:03:37,304 --> 01:03:41,042
after they fired him. Wouldn't surprise me. That's Andrew Orlowski

1004
01:03:41,082 --> 01:03:44,228
from The Register. Friend of the show. No, he's not

1005
01:03:44,268 --> 01:03:49,401
at the register. He's with the London Telegraph now. Oh,

1006
01:03:49,441 --> 01:03:53,031
really? Oh, he's moved up a notch. He's been writing

1007
01:03:53,051 --> 01:03:56,526
for the Telegraph for about six, seven years. That's a

1008
01:03:56,588 --> 01:04:00,976
respectable paper. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So friend of the show,

1009
01:04:01,558 --> 01:04:05,070
F-O-F-S, F-O-T-S. Friend of the show. He does listen too.

1010
01:04:05,331 --> 01:04:07,719
He will have heard me say this. Friend of the

1011
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:14,018
show, F-O-T-S, FOTS. So he says that that's what he

1012
01:04:14,098 --> 01:04:17,119
claims that, you know, that this Mendelssohn guy is still.

1013
01:04:17,255 --> 01:04:19,500
In play, and I'm thinking, I don't think so, but

1014
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:22,627
okay. Well, what do we know? He's boots on the

1015
01:04:22,667 --> 01:04:25,073
ground. He's living there. Yeah, I know. He's been right

1016
01:04:25,133 --> 01:04:27,218
most of the time, but I'm not buying that one.

1017
01:04:27,238 --> 01:04:29,302
Let's go with the last clip. One of the key

1018
01:04:29,443 --> 01:04:32,249
policies of the Reform Party, which came out as the

1019
01:04:32,349 --> 01:04:35,396
biggest winner in the elections in England, is to combat

1020
01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:39,125
illegal immigration. The UK Home Office says over the past

1021
01:04:39,186 --> 01:04:44,139
eight years, 200,000 migrants reached England illegally by crossing the

1022
01:04:44,179 --> 01:04:47,928
Channel in small boats. You know what kills me? Because

1023
01:04:47,969 --> 01:04:52,949
I lived in England. They lock up your pets. for

1024
01:04:53,049 --> 01:04:55,848
six months minimum. Yeah, if you try to bring a

1025
01:04:55,889 --> 01:04:57,940
dog to England, you might as well just... forget it.

1026
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,168
Yes, for six months, 18 months, they lock up your

1027
01:05:02,289 --> 01:05:05,776
dog because, oh, he might have rabies. He might have

1028
01:05:05,796 --> 01:05:09,784
rabies. But, hey, it's illegal. They got no rabies. You

1029
01:05:09,804 --> 01:05:13,010
know what I mean? No hanta, no nothing. Despite efforts

1030
01:05:13,070 --> 01:05:16,978
to stop the boats, including a recent $800 million deal

1031
01:05:17,018 --> 01:05:19,887
with France, The UK says the number of people making

1032
01:05:19,927 --> 01:05:23,613
the journey has continued to rise. James Wattas has sent

1033
01:05:23,693 --> 01:05:28,301
us this report. The town of Middelkerke represents a step

1034
01:05:28,382 --> 01:05:30,505
change when you cross the border on the northern coast

1035
01:05:30,565 --> 01:05:35,114
from France into Belgium. It's an affluent area and the

1036
01:05:35,174 --> 01:05:37,979
locals here are facing a problem that really is new

1037
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:42,493
to them. Small boat migrant crossings. The West Flanders Deputy

1038
01:05:42,533 --> 01:05:45,318
Police Chief, Christian de Ridder, is keen to nip it

1039
01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:47,982
in the bud. We have to stop them before they

1040
01:05:48,022 --> 01:05:50,066
get to the UK. And we have to find a

1041
01:05:50,146 --> 01:05:52,390
way to stop them on the water. If we could

1042
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:55,995
put on a naval barrier so they don't get into

1043
01:05:56,076 --> 01:06:01,466
French water, everything will stop. - I don't have any

1044
01:06:01,506 --> 01:06:03,290
more clips, but it goes on and on with all

1045
01:06:03,350 --> 01:06:07,418
these guys that are going across the English Channel. I

1046
01:06:07,438 --> 01:06:09,663
don't understand how you can go across the English Channel

1047
01:06:09,723 --> 01:06:12,950
in a small boat. I took the Dunkirk Ferry probably

1048
01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:17,987
twice. Yeah, it's bumpy. in the olden days, in like

1049
01:06:18,028 --> 01:06:21,159
the 70s. And then, you know, then they went to

1050
01:06:21,219 --> 01:06:23,909
a hovercraft, which was cool, a great way to get

1051
01:06:23,989 --> 01:06:26,598
across. And then, of course, there's the channel, which is

1052
01:06:26,659 --> 01:06:31,594
the way to go. But... That's the most sickening ride

1053
01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:35,809
I've ever had on a boat. Yeah. It churns, it

1054
01:06:35,970 --> 01:06:38,037
bounces around. I don't know how a little boat can

1055
01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:40,543
go across. the English Channel. Well, that really depends on

1056
01:06:40,884 --> 01:06:43,690
weather conditions. Well, yeah, I guess they look for the

1057
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:46,156
right day to do it, but it's not a short

1058
01:06:46,236 --> 01:06:49,663
trip either. You'll recall that the Brits in World War

1059
01:06:49,683 --> 01:06:52,691
II, I think it was World War II. They, all

1060
01:06:52,731 --> 01:06:56,059
these, you know, like hundreds, maybe thousands of small boats.

1061
01:06:56,511 --> 01:06:59,410
cast off from Britain to go pick up the troops

1062
01:06:59,451 --> 01:07:05,173
who were locked. and surrounded by the Germans. in France

1063
01:07:05,233 --> 01:07:06,816
and they picked them up and they sailed them all

1064
01:07:06,877 --> 01:07:09,963
back. And these were tiny little dinghies and all kinds

1065
01:07:10,003 --> 01:07:11,786
of rowboats. I don't know what kind of stuff they

1066
01:07:11,806 --> 01:07:13,710
were doing. I don't think they were always that small.

1067
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:15,714
They were small. They were small boats. I know they

1068
01:07:15,754 --> 01:07:19,875
went to do that. Yeah. flown over the English channel

1069
01:07:20,137 --> 01:07:24,220
many times smooth as glass. Yeah, well, if you fly

1070
01:07:24,381 --> 01:07:27,320
over. Well, but 5,000 feet, you know, been to Cessna.

1071
01:07:27,340 --> 01:07:31,208
I'm looking down. I'm like, oh, that's pretty nice. If

1072
01:07:31,228 --> 01:07:34,643
anything... What do you mean, ugh, please? That is a

1073
01:07:34,764 --> 01:07:37,556
rough go getting across that channel. It is not. It

1074
01:07:37,657 --> 01:07:44,304
can be. people who swim across the channel. Lunatics. -

1075
01:07:45,619 --> 01:07:51,311
I do have... I do have two quick quotes here.

1076
01:07:51,795 --> 01:07:56,057
From Nigel Farage. Here we go. This is the most

1077
01:07:56,158 --> 01:08:00,346
unpatriotic prime minister. we've ever had in this country, heading

1078
01:08:00,366 --> 01:08:04,981
the most unpatriotic British government we've ever had in this

1079
01:08:05,041 --> 01:08:08,911
country, and they're even worse. than the Conservatives in the

1080
01:08:08,931 --> 01:08:12,522
last five years, and they weren't very good either. And

1081
01:08:12,582 --> 01:08:14,549
here he is with a quick prediction. I think if

1082
01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:17,277
Labour get obliterated in the Red Wall and in South

1083
01:08:17,317 --> 01:08:20,826
Wales... And in Scotland, then, yeah, he'll be gone by

1084
01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:22,710
the end of May because the backbench will move against

1085
01:08:22,750 --> 01:08:24,835
him. End of May? End of May. End of May

1086
01:08:24,855 --> 01:08:26,860
is what he's saying. I had to throw in a

1087
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:30,929
little aside here. Okay. We picked up on Nigel Farage

1088
01:08:30,949 --> 01:08:35,269
as a character of importance. Early on. Early on, a

1089
01:08:35,592 --> 01:08:39,319
decade ago, well, it was 2009, probably. 150 years ago.

1090
01:08:40,127 --> 01:08:42,665
Yeah, it was a long time ago. And we got

1091
01:08:42,887 --> 01:08:49,616
grief from various reasons. Oh, yeah. UK listeners. Yeah, they

1092
01:08:49,656 --> 01:08:52,924
told us, he's an idiot, he's no good, and we

1093
01:08:52,944 --> 01:08:54,909
were like... He's not going to cut you. You're wasting

1094
01:08:54,949 --> 01:08:57,876
your time following this guy's career. You guys are off

1095
01:08:57,916 --> 01:09:00,586
the mark. Spiking the ball? Is that what you're doing

1096
01:09:00,606 --> 01:09:06,151
here? Yeah. I'm spiking the ball without a we told

1097
01:09:06,211 --> 01:09:10,570
you so. But it's like... It's just like, this is

1098
01:09:10,591 --> 01:09:14,996
typical of this show. Yes. We're on it. People hate

1099
01:09:15,017 --> 01:09:16,867
us. That's what I'm trying to say. People hate us

1100
01:09:16,927 --> 01:09:20,431
for years. For some reason, they still... still listen. And

1101
01:09:20,472 --> 01:09:22,450
then later they say, Hey man, thanks for saving my

1102
01:09:22,491 --> 01:09:28,768
life. But donate? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Value for value,

1103
01:09:28,808 --> 01:09:34,130
people. Remember these valuable lessons. So I picked up clip

1104
01:09:34,211 --> 01:09:36,464
which is has luckily it's only a minute because the

1105
01:09:36,484 --> 01:09:41,646
guy's kind of insufferable George Galloway George Galloway is totally

1106
01:09:41,686 --> 01:09:45,954
insufferable. But it's worth it in this case because he's

1107
01:09:46,475 --> 01:09:49,240
on to something that's going on with Keir Starmer. And

1108
01:09:49,301 --> 01:09:52,767
Galloway, now he used to be a politician. Was he

1109
01:09:52,807 --> 01:09:54,270
labor? I think he was labor. He must have been

1110
01:09:54,290 --> 01:09:58,919
labor. Socialist. Or a communist. Commie. He's a communist, basically.

1111
01:09:59,087 --> 01:10:01,201
Yeah, and I think he became a columnist. Is he

1112
01:10:01,262 --> 01:10:02,873
a columnist for The Guardian or something? Well, he was

1113
01:10:02,973 --> 01:10:06,485
on Big Brother. It was all downhill from there. um

1114
01:10:07,008 --> 01:10:10,526
so yeah he's a he's no longer a columnist john

1115
01:10:10,567 --> 01:10:14,209
he's what everybody else is a youtuber He has what

1116
01:10:14,249 --> 01:10:17,430
he thinks is a podcast because he's basically a YouTuber.

1117
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:20,297
And here he is. No. Part of the British media

1118
01:10:20,518 --> 01:10:23,122
is covering the fact that at the end of this

1119
01:10:23,383 --> 01:10:30,816
month, three Ukrainian rent boys are on trial for allegedly

1120
01:10:31,156 --> 01:10:35,043
arsoning the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Is that British?

1121
01:10:35,063 --> 01:10:39,389
Can you say arsoning as like a verb? Arsoning? Like

1122
01:10:40,114 --> 01:10:45,107
lighting somebody on fire? Yeah, arsoning. Is that a verb?

1123
01:10:45,943 --> 01:10:49,369
I thought arson was just... Well, maybe it is. Isn't

1124
01:10:49,389 --> 01:10:53,116
it an adverb? No. Arsening. I've never heard of... Well,

1125
01:10:53,136 --> 01:10:56,474
let's look it up. Just type it into the browser.

1126
01:10:56,554 --> 01:11:00,404
It'll tell you. Okay. I never heard the usage, that

1127
01:11:00,524 --> 01:11:03,153
usage before. Let me see. Hey, book of knowledge. Is

1128
01:11:03,173 --> 01:11:10,566
arsoning, can you say someone was arsoning someone else? It's

1129
01:11:10,586 --> 01:11:13,809
a widely recognized term that may be misspelling or a

1130
01:11:13,849 --> 01:11:18,965
variation of arsenic. Poisoning. Yeah. Arsening is a real verb

1131
01:11:19,005 --> 01:11:21,650
form mainly used in India. You can say someone was

1132
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:24,435
arsening a building. Most people just say committing arson, though.

1133
01:11:25,698 --> 01:11:33,171
See, that's different than this. This definition is widely recognized.

1134
01:11:34,391 --> 01:11:38,391
which is a misspelling or a variation of arsenic. It

1135
01:11:38,432 --> 01:11:41,876
does have a specific definition. Blah, blah, blah. It goes

1136
01:11:41,997 --> 01:11:44,040
on. Okay. All right. Back to the clip then, because

1137
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:48,546
this is getting fun. Rent boys, massage artists, male models,

1138
01:11:48,847 --> 01:11:53,173
every one of them a Ukrainian, is charged with arsoning

1139
01:11:53,553 --> 01:11:58,401
two separate residences, two separate vehicles. If this were happening

1140
01:11:58,501 --> 01:12:01,768
to me or any other citizen in the land, every

1141
01:12:01,848 --> 01:12:05,295
person in Britain would be fully conversant and would be

1142
01:12:05,415 --> 01:12:11,588
speculating wildly on exactly why these Ukrainian red boys allegedly

1143
01:12:11,948 --> 01:12:17,119
arsoned the British Prime Minister, but not one. News report.

1144
01:12:17,255 --> 01:12:22,045
has occurred into the extraordinary circumstances of a serving British

1145
01:12:22,086 --> 01:12:25,934
Prime Minister being singled out for reasons we know not

1146
01:12:26,094 --> 01:12:30,344
why. Allegedly by three Ukrainian rent boys. And very pretty

1147
01:12:30,364 --> 01:12:33,070
boys. The men are pleading not guilty. They may very

1148
01:12:33,130 --> 01:12:36,136
well be innocent, but they may very well have to

1149
01:12:36,317 --> 01:12:39,479
be cross-examined. But by the end of the trial, we'll

1150
01:12:39,519 --> 01:12:43,448
know one whole lot more about just what they had

1151
01:12:43,629 --> 01:12:47,558
held against the British Prime Minister. That's horrible. But... I

1152
01:12:47,718 --> 01:12:52,128
can't talk like that if I wanted to. Now, so

1153
01:12:52,168 --> 01:12:54,774
the press has started to pick up on it. They

1154
01:12:54,814 --> 01:12:58,221
don't call them rent boys. But there is a story.

1155
01:12:59,063 --> 01:13:01,708
The trial of three men accused of conspiring to commit

1156
01:13:01,929 --> 01:13:06,338
arson against two properties and... This is proper. Conspiring to

1157
01:13:06,378 --> 01:13:09,163
commit arson, not arsoning them. A vehicle linked to the

1158
01:13:09,223 --> 01:13:12,410
Prime Minister has started today at the Old Bailey. Now

1159
01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:16,818
the three defendants, two Ukrainians and a Romanian, appeared in

1160
01:13:16,859 --> 01:13:20,686
the... this morning and they are Roman Lavrinovich, a 22-year-old,

1161
01:13:21,127 --> 01:13:26,759
Petro Potranok, who's 35, and the 27-year-old Stanislav Karpuik. Now,

1162
01:13:27,179 --> 01:13:30,887
they have been charged with conspiring to commit arson and

1163
01:13:30,927 --> 01:13:35,256
Roman Lavrinovich is also facing two further charges of committing

1164
01:13:35,396 --> 01:13:39,624
arson with intent. to endanger lives. Now, all three defendants

1165
01:13:39,725 --> 01:13:42,651
deny all of the charges set against them. Now, listen

1166
01:13:42,671 --> 01:13:46,398
to this. The prosecution here, opened by Duncan Atkinson Casey,

1167
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:50,186
went through the three arson attacks in turn, starting with

1168
01:13:50,266 --> 01:13:52,951
a Toyota set ablaze in the early hours of the

1169
01:13:52,971 --> 01:13:57,861
8th of May, and then a residential property. on Ellington

1170
01:13:57,901 --> 01:14:00,486
Street in Kentish Town on the 11th of May. And

1171
01:14:00,606 --> 01:14:05,055
finally, the third arson attack, another residential property also in

1172
01:14:05,115 --> 01:14:08,502
Kentish Town on the 12th of May. They said it

1173
01:14:08,542 --> 01:14:11,929
was immediately clear when the London Fire Brigade and the

1174
01:14:11,969 --> 01:14:15,296
police attended the second of those arson attacks that had

1175
01:14:15,336 --> 01:14:18,839
been set on fire. purposely and that in both of

1176
01:14:18,899 --> 01:14:22,648
the properties where fires had been started smoke and flames

1177
01:14:22,688 --> 01:14:26,697
had entered the houses endangering the lives of those within

1178
01:14:26,757 --> 01:14:31,508
them now the prosecution went through some of the data

1179
01:14:31,588 --> 01:14:34,094
and information they had collected on the defendants to build

1180
01:14:34,535 --> 01:14:40,205
the case including Telegram chats locations and images as well

1181
01:14:40,567 --> 01:14:45,898
now there were discussions held between the defendants about these

1182
01:14:45,938 --> 01:14:48,744
arson attacks and there was also a discovery on the

1183
01:14:48,824 --> 01:14:52,652
telegram end-to-end encrypted platform how does that work where the

1184
01:14:52,672 --> 01:14:57,612
defendants were speaking with a russian-speaking telegram account called El

1185
01:14:57,873 --> 01:15:00,657
Money. El Money? The jury were told not to consider

1186
01:15:00,677 --> 01:15:06,886
any ideological or political motivation behind these arson attacks. Instead,

1187
01:15:07,327 --> 01:15:12,174
stating that they were motivated by money, not by any

1188
01:15:12,294 --> 01:15:16,704
political or ideological reasons. There you go. El Money is

1189
01:15:16,745 --> 01:15:23,445
the Russian pimp. And Starmer Stiff the Rent Boys. So

1190
01:15:23,486 --> 01:15:28,794
to speak. didn't pay him. So they decided to burn

1191
01:15:28,834 --> 01:15:32,831
it down. I think Galloway's onto something here. Maybe. Yeah.

1192
01:15:33,278 --> 01:15:37,667
Then that would... Fall right in line with Mandelson Tricks.

1193
01:15:39,207 --> 01:15:42,863
Because he's all about the Rent Boys. Everything is fishy.

1194
01:15:43,988 --> 01:15:46,821
Everything is literally fake and gay at this point. It's

1195
01:15:46,861 --> 01:15:53,632
amazing. So I have a Africa clip. Well, there goes

1196
01:15:53,693 --> 01:15:59,515
the audience. Well, it leads to an Ask Adam. Oh,

1197
01:15:59,536 --> 01:16:03,339
boy. Okay. Now the Africa clip is short. Well, it's

1198
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:06,069
not that short, but it's just Nigeria. Something's up with

1199
01:16:06,089 --> 01:16:09,300
Nigeria. And I think if you read between the lines

1200
01:16:09,943 --> 01:16:14,719
on this Nigeria clip, this is just... Another attempt to...

1201
01:16:14,791 --> 01:16:18,988
Get a stranglehold on the oil production of Nigeria. Nigeria,

1202
01:16:19,009 --> 01:16:25,034
the United States. Big oil producing African nation. Yeah. Nigeria

1203
01:16:25,194 --> 01:16:27,560
Vance, is that the one we're playing here? Yeah, that's

1204
01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:29,505
the only one I got. Nigeria and the United States

1205
01:16:29,546 --> 01:16:33,937
have agreed to deepen cooperation on security and counterterrorism following

1206
01:16:33,977 --> 01:16:38,306
high-level talks. in Washington. The renewed diplomatic push comes amid

1207
01:16:38,366 --> 01:16:42,956
a surge in deadly attacks in Nigeria, particularly in Plateau

1208
01:16:43,016 --> 01:16:46,242
and Benue states, where hundreds have been killed and communities

1209
01:16:46,322 --> 01:16:51,693
displaced. Chris Iwoko reports from Abuja. A statement from Nigeria's

1210
01:16:51,733 --> 01:16:56,062
presidency said that the National Security Advisor Nuhuri Badu met

1211
01:16:56,142 --> 01:17:00,050
senior U.S. officials including the Vice President J.D. Vance and

1212
01:17:00,090 --> 01:17:03,617
the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both sides agreed to

1213
01:17:03,697 --> 01:17:08,487
expand intelligence sharing, defense cooperation and regional security efforts. Discussions

1214
01:17:08,587 --> 01:17:12,756
reportedly focused on counterterrorism and the deteriorating security situation in

1215
01:17:12,836 --> 01:17:16,143
West Africa and the Sahel. where jihadists have been attacking

1216
01:17:16,243 --> 01:17:20,071
in several countries. Nigeria had already committed to tackling terrorism

1217
01:17:20,291 --> 01:17:23,838
and violent extremism in the fight against Boko Haram and

1218
01:17:23,898 --> 01:17:26,864
the Islamic State West Africa province. Well, isn't this just

1219
01:17:26,925 --> 01:17:30,772
about the mines, the gold, the minerals? I think that

1220
01:17:30,852 --> 01:17:34,660
and the oil. Is oil in West Africa? Africa? Is

1221
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,004
that in Nigeria? I believe there's oils in Nigeria. I

1222
01:17:37,024 --> 01:17:39,649
think Nigeria is a major producer, if I'm not mistaken.

1223
01:17:39,869 --> 01:17:42,775
Well, there's also, they're killing Christians! Yeah, that's all happening

1224
01:17:42,815 --> 01:17:44,377
in Nigeria. Yeah, well, they didn't have that in the

1225
01:17:44,397 --> 01:17:47,844
report. But what's interesting to me, this was a Vance

1226
01:17:48,244 --> 01:17:54,547
and Rubio, which they usually kept apart. Hmm. Hmm. I

1227
01:17:54,567 --> 01:17:57,196
don't know what that's all about. It's a contest to

1228
01:17:57,256 --> 01:18:00,066
see who can do better at Nigeria, and that will

1229
01:18:00,106 --> 01:18:04,139
help determine who Trump is going to support for 2028.

1230
01:18:04,879 --> 01:18:10,261
I think Trump's gonna stay out of it. Alright, Ask

1231
01:18:10,362 --> 01:18:12,330
Adam, I'm ready for you. This is it, I'm gonna

1232
01:18:12,350 --> 01:18:14,479
ask you before we play the clip, because it's in

1233
01:18:14,499 --> 01:18:17,609
the... The answer's in the clip. Okay. Because I was

1234
01:18:17,650 --> 01:18:22,247
kind of surprised by this myself. Okay. How many languages

1235
01:18:22,287 --> 01:18:35,723
are spoken on the continent of Africa? Answer the question,

1236
01:18:35,763 --> 01:18:39,527
go! Uh, how ma- Now, first of all, Africa is

1237
01:18:39,708 --> 01:18:43,795
big. It's big. It's big. There's a lot of tribes.

1238
01:18:44,151 --> 01:18:49,292
So I'm going to go. I'm going to bet all

1239
01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:52,322
of my money. in this round of... You're all in.

1240
01:18:52,423 --> 01:18:54,274
I'm all in. I'm all in on this round of

1241
01:18:54,334 --> 01:19:00,876
Jeopardy. I'm going to say... 537 languages on the continent

1242
01:19:00,937 --> 01:19:04,611
of Africa. Or just play the clip. We did a

1243
01:19:04,671 --> 01:19:08,020
series of children, child presenters, 14 of them from across

1244
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:11,790
Africa. And I'm blown away by how it's not just

1245
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:14,858
the audience who related to these kids. It's how those

1246
01:19:14,918 --> 01:19:20,149
kids... became fanatic conservationists because they were selected for their

1247
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:23,075
stage presence to be hosts of a TV show about

1248
01:19:23,115 --> 01:19:27,384
wildlife. So I do think that local relevance and resonance

1249
01:19:27,524 --> 01:19:30,029
with the people on the ground is very important and

1250
01:19:30,089 --> 01:19:32,815
in a continent like Africa where we have over 2,000

1251
01:19:32,835 --> 01:19:36,762
languages we need... people to be telling the stories in

1252
01:19:36,983 --> 01:19:40,149
all those languages and bringing in our cultural knowledge. Wow.

1253
01:19:40,169 --> 01:19:43,977
Well, luckily my fellow contestants were all like 20, 35,

1254
01:19:44,578 --> 01:19:49,287
a bunch of losers. Over 2,000. That's not a tip

1255
01:19:49,327 --> 01:19:52,033
of the day. That is our little factoid that people

1256
01:19:52,053 --> 01:19:54,738
can now use to bet money. This is a money

1257
01:19:54,818 --> 01:20:01,134
maker. Wow, over 2,000. Man. And do you think that

1258
01:20:01,174 --> 01:20:05,308
the one tribe could understand the other one? I'm sure

1259
01:20:05,349 --> 01:20:08,377
there's always some probably one guy, there's a polyglot in

1260
01:20:08,438 --> 01:20:11,045
every group that can speak three or four of these

1261
01:20:11,126 --> 01:20:15,719
languages. He's a superstar, you know. 2,000? 2,000? Over 2,000.

1262
01:20:15,759 --> 01:20:19,195
That's a lot. Yeah, I'd like to see a list.

1263
01:20:19,235 --> 01:20:22,530
That's crazy. They probably can't even call them. They don't

1264
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:27,077
even have names. Hey, so since you brought up Rubio,

1265
01:20:27,138 --> 01:20:30,991
well, we both brought up Rubio and Vance, and you

1266
01:20:31,011 --> 01:20:33,419
think Trump's going to stay out of it. Very possible.

1267
01:20:34,127 --> 01:20:40,046
Um, Got a couple clips about Tucker. Actually, one with

1268
01:20:40,106 --> 01:20:43,278
Tucker. Oh, after I did all these Tucker things that

1269
01:20:43,318 --> 01:20:45,947
you groused about. Yeah, but I'm bringing new stuff to

1270
01:20:45,967 --> 01:20:48,135
the table. You know, you just bring an old hat.

1271
01:20:50,731 --> 01:20:53,285
Yes, I grossed about it. Did you say old hat?

1272
01:20:53,305 --> 01:20:58,391
Old hat, yes, old hat. Oh, man. Another boomer adjacent

1273
01:20:58,432 --> 01:21:01,465
term here on the No Agenda Show. He had Massey

1274
01:21:01,605 --> 01:21:06,205
on. Again, Massey. uh to complain massie's under a under

1275
01:21:06,285 --> 01:21:09,517
attack yes and uh and that's why he went on

1276
01:21:09,557 --> 01:21:12,167
tucker um and so i have a short clip first

1277
01:21:12,268 --> 01:21:15,992
of the it's the massey disappointment list but Trump's have

1278
01:21:16,032 --> 01:21:18,996
changed dramatically. At least the disconnect between what he said

1279
01:21:19,016 --> 01:21:20,899
he was going to do and what he's doing is

1280
01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:24,624
shocking. I, you know, when I endorsed him, I thought

1281
01:21:24,684 --> 01:21:27,548
we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would

1282
01:21:27,789 --> 01:21:30,432
get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy

1283
01:21:30,512 --> 01:21:33,597
on him. I thought that Maha would be front and

1284
01:21:33,637 --> 01:21:38,421
center at the... at the HHS with Bobby Kennedy there.

1285
01:21:39,223 --> 01:21:42,951
I thought that we would have sane foreign policy. I

1286
01:21:42,991 --> 01:21:45,838
thought that where we put America first, that's my definition

1287
01:21:45,898 --> 01:21:49,766
of sane. I thought we would end our involvement in

1288
01:21:49,806 --> 01:21:52,553
the war in Ukraine. I thought we would release all

1289
01:21:52,593 --> 01:21:56,932
the Epstein files and indict some of those SOBs. um

1290
01:21:57,287 --> 01:22:00,899
And those are all the things I'm still fighting for.

1291
01:22:02,151 --> 01:22:04,008
Do you think Massey- They're so beast. Is he a

1292
01:22:04,048 --> 01:22:10,162
little blinded by his hatred? Because- I mean, I see

1293
01:22:10,968 --> 01:22:14,642
Maha doing something. I think Maha is doing all it

1294
01:22:14,703 --> 01:22:19,273
can do. It's up against the most powerful forces in

1295
01:22:19,293 --> 01:22:22,338
the universe, in the United States, the big pharma force

1296
01:22:22,378 --> 01:22:25,463
that that owns the media. And are we still what

1297
01:22:25,523 --> 01:22:29,449
is the expected to do? I mean, I'm super disappointed

1298
01:22:29,489 --> 01:22:32,674
they haven't, you know, just stopped TV advertising. That would

1299
01:22:32,694 --> 01:22:35,519
make a difference. Yeah. But I mean, have we not?

1300
01:22:35,559 --> 01:22:38,847
withdrawn from the Ukraine war? Have we not withdrawn from

1301
01:22:38,908 --> 01:22:42,981
that? Well, we haven't withdrawn from it. I mean, we're

1302
01:22:43,283 --> 01:22:45,535
not really in the Ukraine war. No, but he says,

1303
01:22:45,595 --> 01:22:47,183
well, we should get out of the Ukraine war. We're

1304
01:22:47,223 --> 01:22:52,124
not in it. We're selling stuff. I don't know. I

1305
01:22:52,165 --> 01:22:55,793
think he's a little blinded by hatred. I don't think

1306
01:22:55,853 --> 01:22:59,426
he's a hater. I think he's just like, he's an

1307
01:22:59,707 --> 01:23:04,059
ideologue. And he has his, you know, and he's... He's

1308
01:23:04,301 --> 01:23:07,336
kind of a stick in the mud. So New York

1309
01:23:07,457 --> 01:23:11,556
Magazine has a big thing going on about Tucker. New

1310
01:23:11,577 --> 01:23:16,165
York Magazine. I'm telling you, Tucker is a... I said

1311
01:23:16,225 --> 01:23:18,193
in the last show, and I had the clip of

1312
01:23:18,253 --> 01:23:20,963
them, you know, trying to slam him. He is a,

1313
01:23:21,947 --> 01:23:26,471
right now... uh a lightning rod and he's an op

1314
01:23:26,987 --> 01:23:32,187
Here is the New York Mag dude talking on France

1315
01:23:32,207 --> 01:23:35,519
24, of all places, about this. Last month, Tucker Carlson.

1316
01:23:35,499 --> 01:23:39,690
and the influential far-right commentator said he regretted voting for

1317
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:42,497
Donald Trump. He made a comment on his podcast during

1318
01:23:42,557 --> 01:23:46,627
a conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter.

1319
01:23:47,367 --> 01:23:49,342
You and me and millions of people like us are

1320
01:23:49,382 --> 01:23:54,013
the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So... I

1321
01:23:54,033 --> 01:23:56,865
do think it's like a moment. I love that right

1322
01:23:56,905 --> 01:24:00,135
there. You and me and a bunch of other people

1323
01:24:00,156 --> 01:24:04,444
is the reason this is happening right now. Do you

1324
01:24:04,464 --> 01:24:08,378
think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? I'd

1325
01:24:08,398 --> 01:24:13,346
give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker. And what's

1326
01:24:13,387 --> 01:24:19,794
his face? Your boy. Yeah. Talking boy. Come on. Fuentes?

1327
01:24:19,936 --> 01:24:23,339
Fuentes! I give him some credit. Well, he now came

1328
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,566
out and said he's a Democrat, which I'm not sure.

1329
01:24:25,827 --> 01:24:30,082
Well, there's that. There's that. But I think, you know,

1330
01:24:30,162 --> 01:24:32,570
for Tucker to spike it, you know, to toot his

1331
01:24:32,650 --> 01:24:34,517
own horn here, like, oh, yeah, well, this is all

1332
01:24:34,557 --> 01:24:40,498
because of us. Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley?

1333
01:24:40,558 --> 01:24:43,723
Can you get the yardage, please? Like us, for the

1334
01:24:43,743 --> 01:24:48,250
reason this is happening right now. Yes. Yes. So I

1335
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:50,694
do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our

1336
01:24:50,734 --> 01:24:53,598
own consciences. You know, we'll be tormented by it for

1337
01:24:53,638 --> 01:24:58,324
a long time. We did such a bad thing. And

1338
01:24:58,585 --> 01:25:00,994
I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It

1339
01:25:02,158 --> 01:25:05,289
was not intentional. Yes, because people vote based on what

1340
01:25:05,309 --> 01:25:08,440
Tucker Carlson says. It was not intentional. I was too.

1341
01:25:08,461 --> 01:25:13,009
I'm so sorry. Carlson has come full circle decades before

1342
01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:15,727
he became one of his strongest supporters. Carlson had called

1343
01:25:16,109 --> 01:25:20,368
Trump, quote, the single most repulsive person on the planet.

1344
01:25:20,589 --> 01:25:25,263
Now that is interesting. So in the 90s, he hated

1345
01:25:25,283 --> 01:25:29,565
Trump. Then he loved Trump. Now he hates Trump. think

1346
01:25:29,605 --> 01:25:32,870
this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever

1347
01:25:32,911 --> 01:25:36,765
will get some clicks. or views or whatever. I think

1348
01:25:36,785 --> 01:25:39,791
that that's been asserted. He made that comment in a

1349
01:25:39,811 --> 01:25:43,578
1999 post on the website Slate. That was just before

1350
01:25:43,618 --> 01:25:47,426
he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at MSNBC.

1351
01:25:47,546 --> 01:25:51,855
Both outlets that MAGA movement today considers as liberal fake

1352
01:25:52,055 --> 01:25:56,132
news. It wasn't until... Carlson joined Fox that he found

1353
01:25:56,413 --> 01:26:00,342
real notoriety on primetime of America's most watched news network.

1354
01:26:00,543 --> 01:26:04,793
Carlson often went on vicious rants against women, immigrants, or

1355
01:26:04,853 --> 01:26:08,753
people of color. For many liberals, charging racism has become

1356
01:26:08,793 --> 01:26:12,371
an almost involuntary habit, a tick that is literally the

1357
01:26:12,653 --> 01:26:16,625
definition of racism. These very same people are the quickest

1358
01:26:16,665 --> 01:26:19,711
to cry racism. Sarah Jong is an angry bigot. It's

1359
01:26:19,731 --> 01:26:22,397
not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point. It's about punishing

1360
01:26:22,437 --> 01:26:25,543
everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh. But let's get back

1361
01:26:25,584 --> 01:26:29,331
to the race thing. Race, skin color, racial division, race

1362
01:26:29,572 --> 01:26:35,747
and gender, skin color. Carlson was hyperbolic. Contrarian. I'm sorry?

1363
01:26:36,423 --> 01:26:39,850
He calls it a vicious rant. Yeah, if you take

1364
01:26:39,870 --> 01:26:45,160
it out of context. You could say more entertainer than

1365
01:26:45,301 --> 01:26:48,206
commentator. After all, Fox News once even won a court

1366
01:26:48,247 --> 01:26:53,076
case by persuasively arguing that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker

1367
01:26:53,176 --> 01:26:57,968
Carlson seriously. But today, reasonable legacy media take him very

1368
01:26:58,048 --> 01:27:03,953
seriously. Huh? I didn't know that. What? That Fox won

1369
01:27:03,993 --> 01:27:07,842
a court case and their legal argument that it was

1370
01:27:07,982 --> 01:27:12,653
nobody takes Tucker seriously? Yes. Oh, I remember that. Absolutely.

1371
01:27:12,673 --> 01:27:17,850
That's hilarious. He's a commentator. Oh, yeah. So here's the

1372
01:27:18,451 --> 01:27:20,454
guy from the, he's the author of this piece in

1373
01:27:20,474 --> 01:27:22,478
the New Yorker. For more, we can speak to the

1374
01:27:22,498 --> 01:27:25,963
New Yorkers, Jason Zengerle. He's also the author of Hated

1375
01:27:26,184 --> 01:27:29,589
by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling

1376
01:27:30,271 --> 01:27:33,095
of the Conservative Mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to

1377
01:27:33,135 --> 01:27:36,681
Scoop. First question, I guess. Could you foresee- Why are

1378
01:27:36,721 --> 01:27:39,173
you O Brothering? This could be fun. You have no

1379
01:27:39,273 --> 01:27:43,696
idea. No, it's just the guy. I mean- For one

1380
01:27:43,737 --> 01:27:47,908
thing, If I'm not mistaken, New York Magazine was a

1381
01:27:48,049 --> 01:27:50,015
Murdoch property for a long time. New York, this is

1382
01:27:50,075 --> 01:27:52,823
New Yorker. New Yorker. Oh, that's New Yorker? Yeah, I'm

1383
01:27:52,843 --> 01:27:55,420
sorry. It's the New Yorker. Oh, that's a big difference.

1384
01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:57,951
Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it wrong in the beginning.

1385
01:27:58,595 --> 01:28:01,087
Yeah, isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times?

1386
01:28:01,603 --> 01:28:04,581
No, no, not at all. New Yorker is a stick-up-its-ass

1387
01:28:05,043 --> 01:28:09,087
operation that's been around forever. They're very serious about themselves.

1388
01:28:09,763 --> 01:28:12,801
No, it's not a New York Times thing at all,

1389
01:28:12,882 --> 01:28:15,356
a property at all. Well, then wait until you hear

1390
01:28:15,397 --> 01:28:19,091
what he asks. to say. Traveling of the conservative mind.

1391
01:28:19,131 --> 01:28:22,423
Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question, I

1392
01:28:22,463 --> 01:28:25,414
guess, could you foresee this happening, this falling out between

1393
01:28:25,434 --> 01:28:30,275
Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson? Yeah, you could because it's

1394
01:28:30,355 --> 01:28:33,248
not the first time this has happened. I mean, Tucker's

1395
01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:35,518
relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller

1396
01:28:35,538 --> 01:28:38,785
coaster. or over the last three decades, as you pointed

1397
01:28:38,946 --> 01:28:42,533
out, the degree to which the falling out has occurred

1398
01:28:42,633 --> 01:28:46,581
and the severity with which Tucker is now denouncing Trump,

1399
01:28:46,821 --> 01:28:50,869
I think that's a little surprising. But the fact that

1400
01:28:50,890 --> 01:28:53,174
they've fallen out, I mean, as recently as, you know,

1401
01:28:53,214 --> 01:28:55,619
four years ago, they had fallen out. So that itself.

1402
01:28:55,599 --> 01:28:58,184
isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this

1403
01:28:58,244 --> 01:29:00,689
flurry of interest on both sides of the Atlantic about

1404
01:29:00,789 --> 01:29:04,136
what Tucker Carlson thinks? I mean, with the BBC and

1405
01:29:04,156 --> 01:29:07,503
The Economist, we're interviewing him before he had said he

1406
01:29:07,543 --> 01:29:10,870
regretted voting for Trump. Should we be preparing for a

1407
01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:16,792
2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson? It does seem like

1408
01:29:16,853 --> 01:29:19,336
he's preparing for that. He seems to be setting himself

1409
01:29:19,436 --> 01:29:21,880
up for something. And I think that, you know, explains

1410
01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:24,764
some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. I

1411
01:29:24,804 --> 01:29:27,388
mean, look, this has been obviously prompted by the war

1412
01:29:27,408 --> 01:29:30,733
in Iran. And Tucker, there has been one sort of

1413
01:29:30,793 --> 01:29:33,156
consistent thing with him over the past two decades, and

1414
01:29:33,196 --> 01:29:36,963
that is his opposition to America. American adventurism abroad and

1415
01:29:37,003 --> 01:29:39,387
that was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump

1416
01:29:39,407 --> 01:29:41,311
as he thought Trump was an America firster. So the

1417
01:29:41,351 --> 01:29:43,195
fact that Trump has done this, you can see why

1418
01:29:43,235 --> 01:29:46,141
Trump would be angry, or why Tucker would be angry,

1419
01:29:46,261 --> 01:29:49,267
and you can see Tucker viewing this as possibly an

1420
01:29:49,367 --> 01:29:54,698
opening for him to run in '28 and to inherit

1421
01:29:54,718 --> 01:30:05,694
that mantle. of isolationism. Wow, New Yorker. It's bogus. You

1422
01:30:06,034 --> 01:30:09,182
just said New Yorker take themselves very seriously. They do.

1423
01:30:09,222 --> 01:30:14,856
They take themselves very seriously. They write long. The magazine

1424
01:30:14,896 --> 01:30:19,046
is designed for the... thoughtful individual who likes to read.

1425
01:30:19,086 --> 01:30:22,903
The essays in there aren't short and sweet and to

1426
01:30:22,943 --> 01:30:28,410
the point. They're They're more feature links. Well, they're not

1427
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:31,040
actually, they're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine

1428
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:36,019
is quite good. Or the editing, one of the two.

1429
01:30:36,059 --> 01:30:39,652
So the stuff is good. They've kind of lost their

1430
01:30:39,853 --> 01:30:43,044
edge with the cartoons, though. They used to have some

1431
01:30:43,085 --> 01:30:47,086
of the more... Oh, didn't they have the... The dog

1432
01:30:47,166 --> 01:30:50,016
on the internet, Nobody Knows You're a Dog. Yeah, that's

1433
01:30:50,036 --> 01:30:54,051
a classic. But they've always had these cartoon editors that

1434
01:30:54,071 --> 01:30:56,921
were top notch. Didn't they fire those? guys and start

1435
01:30:57,001 --> 01:30:59,608
using they lost they lost one of the cartoon editors

1436
01:30:59,649 --> 01:31:02,396
that was one of the better arrogant character i guess

1437
01:31:02,416 --> 01:31:04,883
he got on everybody's nerves and they put in some

1438
01:31:05,304 --> 01:31:08,814
woke uh people to pick the cartoons and if you

1439
01:31:08,834 --> 01:31:12,777
look at their cartoons they're mostly They're lame compared to

1440
01:31:12,817 --> 01:31:14,970
what they used to be 10 years ago. Well, so

1441
01:31:15,010 --> 01:31:17,969
how about this then? Could they be? pushing Tucker Carlson

1442
01:31:18,331 --> 01:31:22,621
to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind

1443
01:31:22,661 --> 01:31:27,489
of false hope or throwing stirring the pot It could

1444
01:31:27,509 --> 01:31:29,697
be. I mean, there's somebody, I mean, it's obvious that

1445
01:31:29,797 --> 01:31:33,088
Tucker is part of it, along with Fuentes, who has

1446
01:31:33,109 --> 01:31:37,583
this love-hate relationship with him and Fuentes. He goes on

1447
01:31:37,883 --> 01:31:40,149
about how great Fuentes is in one minute, and then

1448
01:31:40,510 --> 01:31:42,635
he says, I'm sorry I ever interviewed the guy in

1449
01:31:42,696 --> 01:31:45,643
another interview. I mean, Tucker's all over the map. The

1450
01:31:45,683 --> 01:31:50,822
guy's like a drunk driver. The new Woker. Well, then

1451
01:31:50,862 --> 01:31:55,919
this last clip may actually explain what's going on here.

1452
01:31:56,119 --> 01:31:59,766
Megan Kelly, also a former Fox host, she says she's

1453
01:31:59,826 --> 01:32:02,853
a close friend of Tucker Carlson. She said she thinks

1454
01:32:02,893 --> 01:32:05,518
the reason why the New York Times interviewed him was

1455
01:32:05,638 --> 01:32:09,386
because they hate Trump more than they hate Tucker. So

1456
01:32:09,426 --> 01:32:12,292
they were eager to have that opportunity to get someone

1457
01:32:12,312 --> 01:32:15,318
to bash Trump. I mean, what do you think about

1458
01:32:15,338 --> 01:32:19,490
these media? taking the decision to interview Tucker. Does that,

1459
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:21,316
do they have to stoop to their level or was

1460
01:32:21,356 --> 01:32:23,563
it newsworthy? Because in this day and age, we're seeing

1461
01:32:23,583 --> 01:32:28,037
influencers like Tucker Carlson have perhaps more reach than traditional

1462
01:32:28,097 --> 01:32:31,733
media. Well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker

1463
01:32:31,773 --> 01:32:33,846
for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker

1464
01:32:33,906 --> 01:32:36,039
is doing the interviews. I think, I don't think... I

1465
01:32:36,059 --> 01:32:38,942
don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives frankly.

1466
01:32:39,244 --> 01:32:43,318
But I think that Tucker... Slam! Look, there are a

1467
01:32:43,338 --> 01:32:45,104
lot of people who have broken with Trump over the

1468
01:32:45,204 --> 01:32:47,793
years, and there's always been this expectation that, oh, this

1469
01:32:47,833 --> 01:32:50,021
is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture, and

1470
01:32:50,061 --> 01:32:52,027
that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's

1471
01:32:52,067 --> 01:32:53,512
going to happen this time. I don't think this is

1472
01:32:53,552 --> 01:32:57,140
going to fracture MAGA. He doesn't think so. So maybe

1473
01:32:57,181 --> 01:33:01,454
they're not doing that. I don't know. I don't know,

1474
01:33:01,798 --> 01:33:06,302
but they're taking him seriously for some reason. Oh, he's

1475
01:33:06,343 --> 01:33:13,573
got a... agent. Who? I don't know. A talent agent

1476
01:33:13,634 --> 01:33:16,409
is getting him these. gigs. I have no idea. This

1477
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:20,837
whole thing is, it just seems so phony. All right.

1478
01:33:21,575 --> 01:33:24,795
Sorry I brought it up. No, I'm glad you brought

1479
01:33:24,836 --> 01:33:27,163
it up. I have a clip of... I kind of

1480
01:33:27,606 --> 01:33:30,564
like to watch it myself. It's like watching a car

1481
01:33:30,664 --> 01:33:36,537
wreck. I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz. There's another

1482
01:33:36,617 --> 01:33:39,611
guy who, you know, before you play, let me play

1483
01:33:39,652 --> 01:33:44,419
a couple of character assassination clips. Yeah. Because I've got,

1484
01:33:44,885 --> 01:33:48,622
Alan Dershowitz is on the list. Now, I know you're

1485
01:33:48,642 --> 01:33:54,053
going to groan about this, but John Kiriakou. Hey, you've

1486
01:33:54,073 --> 01:33:56,204
had plenty to groan about, Mike. clips today so you're

1487
01:33:56,264 --> 01:33:59,659
good you have free reign this guy he has I

1488
01:33:59,699 --> 01:34:03,174
mean I'm going to start collecting his character assassination clips

1489
01:34:03,636 --> 01:34:07,125
because And he's got Dershowitz in there coming up. That's

1490
01:34:07,226 --> 01:34:09,977
coming up. I've got two today. I've got one on

1491
01:34:10,078 --> 01:34:13,914
Newsome. Explain who Kiriakou is. Just explain who Kiriakou is.

1492
01:34:13,934 --> 01:34:18,992
Kiriakou. Okay, Kiriakou. who is a whistleblower. At the CIA,

1493
01:34:19,052 --> 01:34:22,871
he was both an analyst and became a field agent.

1494
01:34:23,195 --> 01:34:27,149
So he has a broad spectrum of experience with the

1495
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:31,806
agency. And he refused to get involved with the torture

1496
01:34:31,866 --> 01:34:35,098
program. And he was the only one who didn't want

1497
01:34:35,118 --> 01:34:37,282
to take part. the training or do anything else. And

1498
01:34:37,762 --> 01:34:40,306
he thought it was illegal and he blew the whistle.

1499
01:34:40,747 --> 01:34:43,110
He says in hindsight, what he should have done was

1500
01:34:43,150 --> 01:34:45,654
have a lawyer with him from the get-go because he

1501
01:34:45,694 --> 01:34:47,978
was kind of naive about blowing the whistle. And just

1502
01:34:48,038 --> 01:34:54,367
to explain, this is the Abu Ghraib prison torture. Yeah.

1503
01:34:55,123 --> 01:34:57,920
And so he blew the whistle and got thrown in

1504
01:34:58,020 --> 01:35:03,746
jail for two years. under some charged espionage act or

1505
01:35:03,786 --> 01:35:08,047
some bullshit and he's very pissed off about that but

1506
01:35:08,371 --> 01:35:11,042
Now he's got a talent agent and he's all over

1507
01:35:11,062 --> 01:35:13,814
the place and he's on a lot of podcasts and

1508
01:35:13,854 --> 01:35:15,320
a couple of favorites he likes to do. Does he

1509
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:16,803
have a book? And he talks too much. Does he

1510
01:35:16,823 --> 01:35:18,867
have a book? How does he make money? Oh, he's

1511
01:35:18,907 --> 01:35:21,753
got, I think, three books. Oh, okay. He's got a

1512
01:35:21,793 --> 01:35:25,701
bunch of books. But he likes to talk and he

1513
01:35:25,781 --> 01:35:30,811
likes the character assassination. Here he is on Newsom. Gavin

1514
01:35:30,831 --> 01:35:33,657
Newsom was a member of the San Francisco City Council.

1515
01:35:34,298 --> 01:35:36,625
Then he was... the chairman of the city council, then

1516
01:35:36,665 --> 01:35:39,734
he was the mayor of San Francisco, then the lieutenant

1517
01:35:39,774 --> 01:35:43,966
governor of California, then the governor of California. Okay? So

1518
01:35:44,006 --> 01:35:47,218
he's... This is a very well thought out plan to

1519
01:35:47,278 --> 01:35:50,767
move higher, higher, higher and become president. When he was

1520
01:35:50,847 --> 01:35:55,219
running for governor of California, he asked his lifelong best.

1521
01:35:55,227 --> 01:36:00,758
friend who was also his campaign manager to represent him

1522
01:36:00,918 --> 01:36:06,816
at a political function. The man did. It wasn't because

1523
01:36:06,876 --> 01:36:09,311
Newsom was busy. It was because Newsom was having an

1524
01:36:09,352 --> 01:36:12,471
affair with his best friend's wife. And they got caught.

1525
01:36:13,403 --> 01:36:18,004
What kind of person is that? If your best friend

1526
01:36:18,024 --> 01:36:21,637
and your own wife can't trust you, why am I

1527
01:36:21,678 --> 01:36:24,448
supposed to trust you? Are you going to screw me

1528
01:36:24,528 --> 01:36:28,705
behind your back as an American taxpayer? So I don't

1529
01:36:29,289 --> 01:36:34,506
like or trust Gavin Newsom at all. Where was this

1530
01:36:34,546 --> 01:36:39,052
interview from? I think he's got this one guy he

1531
01:36:39,152 --> 01:36:42,457
loves to interview with. I can't remember his name. He's

1532
01:36:42,518 --> 01:36:49,369
a podcast, very slick video podcast, very YouTuber. It's well

1533
01:36:49,449 --> 01:36:52,574
produced. It's got a lot of bouquet in the shots.

1534
01:36:53,696 --> 01:36:57,557
The sound is dynamite. Bouquet? Yeah, a bouquet is where

1535
01:36:57,577 --> 01:37:01,286
you have the person in front is in high focus

1536
01:37:01,387 --> 01:37:05,737
and the background is blurry. Oh, beautiful. Yes, beautiful. That's

1537
01:37:05,777 --> 01:37:07,441
hard to do. Yeah, what you need is you need

1538
01:37:07,481 --> 01:37:09,887
certain kinds of lenses to make that look good. Yeah,

1539
01:37:09,907 --> 01:37:13,375
yeah, you do. And it's just too, I mean, the

1540
01:37:13,415 --> 01:37:16,939
podcast is super slick. Anyway, so here he is talking

1541
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:24,534
about CIA directors that he hates. And he's got both

1542
01:37:24,955 --> 01:37:28,002
Gina Haskell and Mike Pompeo and here's what he says.

1543
01:37:28,042 --> 01:37:31,952
He made a mistake twice in his first term appointing

1544
01:37:32,353 --> 01:37:38,386
very, very bad people. CIA director. Very bad. Like, Mike

1545
01:37:38,427 --> 01:37:41,854
Pompeo? Oh my god. The only person less popular than

1546
01:37:41,914 --> 01:37:44,920
Mike Pompeo at the CIA was Mrs. Mike Pompeo, let

1547
01:37:44,940 --> 01:37:46,463
me tell you. I got that from one of his

1548
01:37:46,503 --> 01:37:51,032
bodyguards. And then Gina Haskell? Wait, wait, wait, why? Why?

1549
01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:54,948
You! Go get my dry cleaning. You! Go walk my

1550
01:37:55,008 --> 01:37:57,372
dog. They're like, lady, we don't work for you. We're

1551
01:37:57,412 --> 01:37:59,676
protecting your husband. We're not going to go get your

1552
01:37:59,696 --> 01:38:02,640
dry cleaning and walk your dog. The other one was

1553
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:05,104
Bloody Gina Haspel. We called her Bloody Gina for a

1554
01:38:05,164 --> 01:38:08,129
good reason. And that's the person that you appoint to

1555
01:38:08,169 --> 01:38:10,753
the CIA directorship. Why do you call her Bloody Gina?

1556
01:38:10,833 --> 01:38:14,018
Because she flew out to the secret site to sit

1557
01:38:14,159 --> 01:38:17,669
in. on one of the torture sessions just because she

1558
01:38:17,749 --> 01:38:21,612
could. just to sit there and enjoy it and take

1559
01:38:21,672 --> 01:38:24,462
it all in. What kind of sick person does something

1560
01:38:24,503 --> 01:38:32,155
like that? He's probably right. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah,

1561
01:38:32,175 --> 01:38:35,181
we knew that she was called Bloody Gina. heard about

1562
01:38:35,223 --> 01:38:39,466
that. Yeah. Okay, so you think Dershowitz, he's going to

1563
01:38:39,747 --> 01:38:42,673
assassinate Dershowitz? Dershowitz is coming up, yeah. He doesn't like

1564
01:38:42,693 --> 01:38:46,081
Dershowitz. He doesn't like anybody. He thinks that Rudy Giuliani

1565
01:38:46,101 --> 01:38:50,110
should be in jail. He's dying. He's dying. He's not

1566
01:38:50,150 --> 01:38:54,419
going to make it to jail. I agree. So Dershowitz.

1567
01:38:54,555 --> 01:38:58,391
He's kind of on board with our theory about Epstein.

1568
01:38:59,547 --> 01:39:02,982
which you might want to reiterate. Yeah, he was a

1569
01:39:03,043 --> 01:39:10,463
pimp. Literally. uh running a whorehouse in New York, a

1570
01:39:10,544 --> 01:39:14,582
big one for the elites at the high prices. And

1571
01:39:14,623 --> 01:39:20,468
the island never really came into play. he would procure.

1572
01:39:21,143 --> 01:39:24,000
And he would procure underage, but it's also, I think

1573
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,744
he'd probably, I think he also procured gays. Yeah, there's

1574
01:39:27,805 --> 01:39:31,280
no talk of that anywhere. No, it is starting to

1575
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:37,632
show up. Oh, okay. So Dershowitz takes. And this has

1576
01:39:37,772 --> 01:39:40,096
always been my thing. What are these victims? I'd like

1577
01:39:40,116 --> 01:39:44,363
to, you know, the first lady said, hey, why don't

1578
01:39:44,383 --> 01:39:46,667
y'all go on the record? Victims, tell us your story.

1579
01:39:46,747 --> 01:39:49,952
Victims on the congressional record. So, you know, you can

1580
01:39:50,033 --> 01:39:53,759
talk freely there. Your NDAs don't count. It's okay. I

1581
01:39:53,779 --> 01:39:57,678
don't. think any any Any hearings have been scheduled? I

1582
01:39:57,698 --> 01:39:59,818
don't think anyone jumped up and down to get that

1583
01:39:59,879 --> 01:40:04,898
going. And Dershowitz has his thoughts about the victims. He

1584
01:40:04,939 --> 01:40:08,931
was not a pedophile. I have no information about any

1585
01:40:09,011 --> 01:40:14,661
pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile... medically as somebody

1586
01:40:14,702 --> 01:40:20,594
who is interested in prepubescent people, prepubescent people, 10, 11,

1587
01:40:20,614 --> 01:40:23,820
12. That was not his modus operandi. He was interested

1588
01:40:23,861 --> 01:40:28,069
in 16-year-olds, 17, 18-year-olds. That's a terrible thing. By the

1589
01:40:28,109 --> 01:40:30,915
way, it's legal in France. It's legal in many parts

1590
01:40:30,995 --> 01:40:34,285
of Europe. It's hard to say you're a pedophile in

1591
01:40:34,346 --> 01:40:37,050
America, but not in France. Pedophile is not a legal

1592
01:40:37,111 --> 01:40:41,278
term. It's a medical psychological term. So I don't think

1593
01:40:41,398 --> 01:40:45,566
there's a real case for people being called pedophiles, although

1594
01:40:45,586 --> 01:40:48,451
everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there

1595
01:40:48,491 --> 01:40:52,178
was any trafficking going on. What happened is he made

1596
01:40:52,238 --> 01:40:55,472
it known to. Young people in Palm Beach, if you

1597
01:40:55,512 --> 01:40:58,118
come and give me a massage, you get $250. And

1598
01:40:58,179 --> 01:41:00,344
many of them came back over and over and over

1599
01:41:00,404 --> 01:41:04,153
again, collected the $250, and then got $500 if they

1600
01:41:04,193 --> 01:41:07,440
recruited other people to come and give him more massages.

1601
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:09,645
And then there was this third category, a very large

1602
01:41:09,706 --> 01:41:13,827
category. of women who never met Jeffrey Epp- never laid

1603
01:41:13,867 --> 01:41:17,331
eyes on him and their corrupt lawyers in Palm Beach

1604
01:41:17,814 --> 01:41:20,274
would go to them and say How old are you?

1605
01:41:20,294 --> 01:41:23,489
Oh, you were about that age when Epstein... Why don't

1606
01:41:23,549 --> 01:41:26,140
you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect

1607
01:41:26,161 --> 01:41:30,413
$50,000 for you. And they did. Right. So I would

1608
01:41:30,534 --> 01:41:35,113
love to see a thorough investigation. of every single claimed

1609
01:41:35,253 --> 01:41:38,994
survivor and victim and find out how many there really

1610
01:41:39,014 --> 01:41:42,823
were. There were plenty. Yeah, you know, no one's ever

1611
01:41:42,863 --> 01:41:46,196
going to buy into our theory. They are so convinced

1612
01:41:46,336 --> 01:41:50,572
that there's people eating babies on the island. Eating babies.

1613
01:41:50,713 --> 01:41:55,566
Eating babies. And Trump played into that himself in many

1614
01:41:55,627 --> 01:42:00,289
ways. And Q, there's a lot of Q stuff. And

1615
01:42:00,330 --> 01:42:05,461
then children being shipped in Wayfair boxes. We've seen it

1616
01:42:05,541 --> 01:42:09,209
all. But in this case, I think Dershowitz is on

1617
01:42:09,249 --> 01:42:13,817
the right track. That sounds right to me. Yeah, but

1618
01:42:13,857 --> 01:42:17,479
it's not going to help. Now, we got also another

1619
01:42:17,499 --> 01:42:20,026
thing that broke this week's UFO files. I got two

1620
01:42:20,106 --> 01:42:22,753
clips. Yeah, I got a couple things on that, too.

1621
01:42:22,794 --> 01:42:26,463
Let's see. UFO files. All right, here we go. Back

1622
01:42:26,523 --> 01:42:30,093
here at home to the Pentagon, releasing UFO files. The

1623
01:42:30,153 --> 01:42:34,786
Trump administration releasing never before. seen images of unexplained objects

1624
01:42:34,846 --> 01:42:37,735
in the sky collected by the U.S. government dating all

1625
01:42:37,775 --> 01:42:41,025
the way back to the 1940s. Here's Tom Costello with

1626
01:42:41,065 --> 01:42:47,339
those images. Tonight, more mysterious images just revealed. 160 government

1627
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:53,741
files detailing 400 alleged UFO encounters, including this. infrared military

1628
01:42:53,802 --> 01:42:57,469
video from 2013 of what appears to be an eight-pointed

1629
01:42:57,569 --> 01:43:02,078
star streaking across the sky. Mysterious white and black aerial

1630
01:43:02,158 --> 01:43:06,827
blips that defy the laws of physics. More grainy still

1631
01:43:06,927 --> 01:43:10,314
images of the unexplained, and this image taken from the

1632
01:43:10,414 --> 01:43:13,961
moon by the Apollo 17 astronauts. of what appears to

1633
01:43:14,001 --> 01:43:18,209
be lights hovering overhead. The astronauts later suggested it could

1634
01:43:18,249 --> 01:43:22,197
have been ice crystals. Today, President Trump posted, with these

1635
01:43:22,278 --> 01:43:26,085
new documents and videos, the people can decide for themselves.

1636
01:43:26,546 --> 01:43:29,813
But there are no reports of aliens or spacecraft in

1637
01:43:29,893 --> 01:43:36,401
government custody. Yeah, I saw the website. It's lame. There's

1638
01:43:36,441 --> 01:43:40,691
nothing new there. It's lame. It is lame. Did you

1639
01:43:40,752 --> 01:43:42,877
see it? Did you look at the website? Black and

1640
01:43:42,937 --> 01:43:47,588
white. Black and white all like the X-Files. The best

1641
01:43:47,628 --> 01:43:51,077
thing I've seen recently in terms of grainy black and

1642
01:43:51,137 --> 01:43:56,310
white stuff is the... WikiLeaks moon outtakes. Have you seen

1643
01:43:56,350 --> 01:44:00,847
this? Moon outtakes? What is this? Outtakes. WikiLeaks have found

1644
01:44:00,927 --> 01:44:04,762
a file of the moon landing that you're always saying

1645
01:44:04,822 --> 01:44:09,156
is a fake. Yes. outtakes showing it was being filmed

1646
01:44:09,236 --> 01:44:11,453
as it was being filmed in the arizona or the

1647
01:44:11,473 --> 01:44:15,312
now i'm sorry the Nevada desert. Okay. And they have

1648
01:44:15,332 --> 01:44:17,856
the same guys that got Neil Armstrong and they got

1649
01:44:17,896 --> 01:44:22,504
the whole thing. It's like very, right up your alley.

1650
01:44:22,544 --> 01:44:24,688
I'm surprised you didn't see it. I may have seen

1651
01:44:24,768 --> 01:44:26,691
it, but there's so much. No, no, you would have

1652
01:44:26,711 --> 01:44:29,856
remembered it. Believe me, it's long. Okay, I have to

1653
01:44:29,896 --> 01:44:34,171
look for that. But it's like, yeah. You know, everything

1654
01:44:34,231 --> 01:44:36,356
on the internet is AI. Who knows? I don't know.

1655
01:44:36,717 --> 01:44:39,745
I don't know anymore. We absolutely can't. Yeah, well, I

1656
01:44:39,785 --> 01:44:42,251
think that's a good point. Here's UFO files too. Many

1657
01:44:42,431 --> 01:44:46,842
leading astrophysicists remain skeptical. Just because you see something and

1658
01:44:46,862 --> 01:44:51,647
you don't know what it is. You kid. Oh, is

1659
01:44:51,687 --> 01:44:55,531
this Neil deGrasse Tyson? Tyson? Yeah, duh. Oh, man, that

1660
01:44:55,571 --> 01:44:58,564
guy. Oh, you know, I am the stargazer. Do something

1661
01:44:58,624 --> 01:45:02,861
and you don't know what it is. You can't then

1662
01:45:02,921 --> 01:45:06,247
say... It must be aliens visiting from outer space. The

1663
01:45:06,287 --> 01:45:10,569
documents date back to the 1940s, including an FBI report

1664
01:45:10,589 --> 01:45:14,322
from an Air Force colonel reporting a... flying disc. More

1665
01:45:14,463 --> 01:45:18,130
recent reports from fighter pilots, this diagram from people who

1666
01:45:18,190 --> 01:45:22,840
claim they witnessed a cigar-shaped object, and a 2023 video

1667
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:26,447
of three concentric circles flying in unison. I have not

1668
01:45:26,487 --> 01:45:29,734
seen anything to suggest that we've been visited by any

1669
01:45:29,794 --> 01:45:33,442
intelligent life forms out there. But the universe... is massive,

1670
01:45:33,562 --> 01:45:38,194
at least two trillion galaxies and trillions more planets. Given

1671
01:45:38,254 --> 01:45:41,443
the vastness of the universe, it's really hard to imagine

1672
01:45:41,483 --> 01:45:45,112
that life, and even intelligent life, hasn't formed somewhere. It's

1673
01:45:45,172 --> 01:45:48,441
hard to imagine that anybody is visiting us or continually

1674
01:45:48,501 --> 01:45:51,468
visiting us. And Tom, tonight there is a pattern, though

1675
01:45:51,509 --> 01:45:54,283
a lot of these images... coming from military pilots that

1676
01:45:54,343 --> 01:45:57,769
are near or around military facilities or ships. Yeah, and

1677
01:45:57,810 --> 01:46:01,677
that raises concern that some of these unexplained aerial phenomenon

1678
01:46:01,777 --> 01:46:05,886
could include technology that America's adversaries here on Earth possess,

1679
01:46:06,487 --> 01:46:10,354
but we don't, Tom. This is a continuous thing that

1680
01:46:10,435 --> 01:46:13,988
I hear in all of these reports. It might be

1681
01:46:14,088 --> 01:46:19,297
UFOs, but it could also be some great technology, military

1682
01:46:19,357 --> 01:46:23,384
technology from other people, other countries that we don't possess.

1683
01:46:23,644 --> 01:46:27,611
And, you know, I'm thinking we need to have about

1684
01:46:27,691 --> 01:46:31,016
half a trillion dollars extra for the budget next year.

1685
01:46:32,358 --> 01:46:35,244
Yeah, yeah. Yep. So we'll probably get everybody all kind

1686
01:46:35,284 --> 01:46:38,170
of, every report has that, every single one. It could

1687
01:46:38,230 --> 01:46:40,054
also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could

1688
01:46:40,134 --> 01:46:44,002
also be some Chinese technology. And if you really... Yeah,

1689
01:46:44,022 --> 01:46:47,269
sure. The Chinese have to still copy our jets. They

1690
01:46:47,289 --> 01:46:49,934
have to find a jet and then make a phony

1691
01:46:49,974 --> 01:46:52,018
baloney copy of it. Wait a minute. Because they can't

1692
01:46:52,098 --> 01:46:54,667
dream up... anything by themselves. I mean, not that they

1693
01:46:54,748 --> 01:46:57,357
can't, but they haven't been able, they haven't done it.

1694
01:46:57,377 --> 01:46:59,666
It could be Russian technology, but are you saying... Yeah,

1695
01:46:59,686 --> 01:47:01,794
the Russians do the same thing. Are you saying the

1696
01:47:02,115 --> 01:47:07,191
UFOs are real? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying

1697
01:47:07,251 --> 01:47:10,368
what you're saying. What I'm doing is commenting on your

1698
01:47:10,791 --> 01:47:15,231
comment about this. being something of a scam just to

1699
01:47:15,271 --> 01:47:18,162
get more money for the budget. I'm in a roundabout

1700
01:47:18,263 --> 01:47:22,455
way agreeing with you. Okay, good. By saying the Russians

1701
01:47:22,515 --> 01:47:26,485
and the Chinese, they're not, they don't have flying saucers.

1702
01:47:27,988 --> 01:47:31,758
So what we always do with our Department of War

1703
01:47:31,778 --> 01:47:34,804
or... formerly known as the artist formerly known as Department

1704
01:47:34,844 --> 01:47:38,632
of Defense. We bring in our Hollywood guys. Remember the

1705
01:47:38,672 --> 01:47:42,740
timeline. June 12th is not that far away. People coming

1706
01:47:42,780 --> 01:47:46,788
to IMAX. I've always been fascinated with things that cannot

1707
01:47:46,848 --> 01:47:49,734
be explained. What is it? You won't believe me if

1708
01:47:49,814 --> 01:47:52,511
I told you. So I'm going to show you. I've

1709
01:47:52,551 --> 01:47:54,334
made a lot of movies about things that cannot be

1710
01:47:54,394 --> 01:47:57,278
explained, from sharks to saucers. Do you think there could

1711
01:47:57,318 --> 01:47:59,281
be others? When I was just a little kid, I

1712
01:47:59,301 --> 01:48:03,146
remember developing a real curiosity about the sky at night

1713
01:48:03,306 --> 01:48:05,650
and what's happening up there. People have a right to

1714
01:48:05,670 --> 01:48:09,215
know the truth. And also, not the possibility, but the

1715
01:48:09,435 --> 01:48:14,112
guarantee that there is life off this planet. Don't turn

1716
01:48:14,212 --> 01:48:17,844
me on now. People's questions about what is not only

1717
01:48:17,904 --> 01:48:20,693
going on in our skies, but what is going on

1718
01:48:20,733 --> 01:48:24,204
in our worlds, in our realities, has reached a critical

1719
01:48:24,264 --> 01:48:31,267
mass. They're coming! complete fascination with are we alone or

1720
01:48:31,348 --> 01:48:34,897
are we not alone? Starved for the truth. And if

1721
01:48:34,937 --> 01:48:37,991
someone knows we're not alone, why haven't we been told?

1722
01:48:38,011 --> 01:48:45,257
Full disclosure, to the whole world, all at once. Full

1723
01:48:45,358 --> 01:48:49,921
disclosure all at once. This is the entire script in

1724
01:48:50,283 --> 01:48:55,232
movie form. Yeah, we got some guys. Full disclosure. Disclosure

1725
01:48:55,293 --> 01:49:01,675
Day, coming from Universal Pictures. Yeah, the old movie gambit.

1726
01:49:01,796 --> 01:49:05,579
It's so obvious. Now... We've got two guys out there.

1727
01:49:05,599 --> 01:49:08,639
We've got Senator Burleson, who I think is from Missouri.

1728
01:49:09,091 --> 01:49:15,191
We've got Senator... Burchett from Tennessee. I think it's Burchard.

1729
01:49:15,211 --> 01:49:18,086
I think he was on some show. He basically lives

1730
01:49:18,126 --> 01:49:22,866
in his car. What? I didn't hear this. He lives

1731
01:49:22,927 --> 01:49:26,487
in his car? Yeah, he's talking about how he can't

1732
01:49:26,527 --> 01:49:29,705
get a place in D.C. So he's got a bed

1733
01:49:30,026 --> 01:49:33,196
in his office that he sleeps in. and then he

1734
01:49:33,277 --> 01:49:36,296
goes to the gym to shower. Well, he was on

1735
01:49:36,378 --> 01:49:41,151
Joe Rogan. And Joe is a big UFO guy. I

1736
01:49:41,191 --> 01:49:43,437
hope Joe gave him a place to shower, maybe gave

1737
01:49:43,457 --> 01:49:47,226
him a room to stay. You have no knowledge of

1738
01:49:47,346 --> 01:49:51,136
what's supposed to be released because today is Wednesday. I'm

1739
01:49:51,176 --> 01:49:53,838
going to know tomorrow at 3. Tomorrow at 3 p.m.,

1740
01:49:53,858 --> 01:49:56,003
is that when the world knows? No, I think they're

1741
01:49:56,043 --> 01:49:57,887
going to ask me, just give me a little bit

1742
01:49:57,927 --> 01:49:59,711
of it. But I got a feeling they're not going

1743
01:49:59,731 --> 01:50:01,496
to tell me much. I got a feeling they're not

1744
01:50:01,536 --> 01:50:05,064
going to tell America that much. When is it supposed

1745
01:50:05,104 --> 01:50:08,178
to be disclosed this week? Whatever they're going to disclose?

1746
01:50:08,298 --> 01:50:10,027
I don't know. I don't know. If they're going to

1747
01:50:10,067 --> 01:50:12,852
disclose it to us, then it'll be out. right as

1748
01:50:12,892 --> 01:50:14,634
soon as they hang up the phone with some guys.

1749
01:50:15,095 --> 01:50:17,679
So, okay, we know what the disclosure was. It was

1750
01:50:17,739 --> 01:50:20,883
a dumb website. There wasn't anything exciting or new that

1751
01:50:20,944 --> 01:50:23,928
I could tell. But Burchett, oh, he's got some stories.

1752
01:50:24,048 --> 01:50:26,632
He's got some good stories. No, but it's interesting. I

1753
01:50:26,692 --> 01:50:29,837
had that deep throat moment, you know, not the porn

1754
01:50:29,877 --> 01:50:34,386
version. The Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was

1755
01:50:34,847 --> 01:50:38,215
walking in the tunnel one day and a person came

1756
01:50:38,295 --> 01:50:40,319
up to me. And it's always a friend. It's always

1757
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,364
a friend that does this and said, it was just

1758
01:50:42,404 --> 01:50:45,030
the strangest conversation. And I'll never forget it because he

1759
01:50:45,070 --> 01:50:48,936
said, Birchett, he said, You know, you're really pushing on

1760
01:50:49,017 --> 01:50:51,832
this UFO thing. And I go, yeah. Yeah, I am,

1761
01:50:51,914 --> 01:50:54,306
he said. do you really think we need to do

1762
01:50:54,366 --> 01:50:57,051
this? And I just kept listening. When I was a

1763
01:50:57,111 --> 01:50:58,975
young man, I'd run my mouth and said, oh, shut

1764
01:50:59,095 --> 01:51:00,598
up. But I listened to what he said. He said,

1765
01:51:01,300 --> 01:51:04,907
I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community

1766
01:51:05,007 --> 01:51:07,051
and all this other, I mean, some of this stuff's

1767
01:51:07,071 --> 01:51:10,137
just left unknown, you know? And I said, no, it's

1768
01:51:10,198 --> 01:51:14,128
not. The government has no right to decide what I

1769
01:51:14,188 --> 01:51:18,361
can and cannot understand or handle or see. And to

1770
01:51:18,562 --> 01:51:21,231
me, and every time, Joe. Let me tell you what

1771
01:51:21,251 --> 01:51:24,513
they're going to do. I had a two-page bill for

1772
01:51:24,553 --> 01:51:28,241
disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages,

1773
01:51:28,321 --> 01:51:32,362
I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination

1774
01:51:33,324 --> 01:51:36,751
committee release, which we're over 60 years into that, and

1775
01:51:36,791 --> 01:51:41,120
we still don't, they haven't released everything on President Kennedy

1776
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:43,665
getting shot. And that's what they wanted to model this

1777
01:51:43,725 --> 01:51:46,009
dadgum thing after. Mine was two pages long. Of course,

1778
01:51:46,029 --> 01:51:49,917
mine didn't get anywhere. Dadgum. Dadgum. Dadgum. I love dadgum.

1779
01:51:50,118 --> 01:51:54,114
Dadgum. So we heard in there. is uh how this

1780
01:51:54,154 --> 01:51:58,881
could upset the religious community well it did This was

1781
01:51:58,921 --> 01:52:01,750
a crazy story. Two stories broke today and they are

1782
01:52:01,790 --> 01:52:05,201
collided in a way nobody expected. A pastor in Alabama

1783
01:52:05,241 --> 01:52:08,371
issued a public apology to a sitting member of Congress

1784
01:52:08,832 --> 01:52:12,563
over the viral UFO clip. And on the same news

1785
01:52:12,643 --> 01:52:16,411
cycle, former President Barack Obama went on national television and

1786
01:52:16,451 --> 01:52:19,176
told the country flat out that the disclosure everyone is

1787
01:52:19,217 --> 01:52:22,604
waiting for isn't coming. Hey, you Follagers, I'm Christina Gomez,

1788
01:52:22,624 --> 01:52:25,410
and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates. Larry

1789
01:52:25,470 --> 01:52:28,536
Ragland, a senior pastor of the Solid Rock Church in

1790
01:52:28,596 --> 01:52:32,010
Birmingham, Alabama, claimed in a video that a very well-known

1791
01:52:32,130 --> 01:52:35,716
congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting with pastors

1792
01:52:35,736 --> 01:52:38,941
and warned them that the U.S. government is preparing to

1793
01:52:39,001 --> 01:52:42,667
tell the public that aliens seeded humanity and that there

1794
01:52:42,767 --> 01:52:45,412
is no God and that Jesus and the Bible were

1795
01:52:45,452 --> 01:52:49,097
both inventions of these beings. The clip identified the congressman

1796
01:52:49,158 --> 01:52:51,976
as Eric Burleson. who sits on the White House Oversight

1797
01:52:52,016 --> 01:52:56,498
Subcommittee investigating UAP, and the clip went everywhere. This was

1798
01:52:56,538 --> 01:53:00,991
fantastic. So there's all these YouTube pastors, and they're all

1799
01:53:01,031 --> 01:53:03,742
about end times, and this is it. Look at what's

1800
01:53:03,762 --> 01:53:08,099
happening. It's Iran. It's all going down now, people. Jesus

1801
01:53:08,180 --> 01:53:10,940
is on his way. Here's the clip. that this guy

1802
01:53:11,001 --> 01:53:34,348
put out. sitting congressman, a very well-known congressman from Missouri,

1803
01:53:34,749 --> 01:53:37,655
he called into that meeting as well that was just

1804
01:53:37,695 --> 01:53:40,541
for pastors, and this is what he said. On speakerphone,

1805
01:53:40,581 --> 01:53:43,969
this sitting, powerful member of Congress said, are the pastors

1806
01:53:44,069 --> 01:53:46,534
listening to me? I'm getting chills right now because this

1807
01:53:46,594 --> 01:53:51,296
happened. Wait, hold on. Nobody recorded this? It was on

1808
01:53:51,336 --> 01:53:54,223
speaker? No, no, no, of course not. This was an

1809
01:53:54,283 --> 01:53:58,032
intelligence briefing. You can't record that. No, no, no, no.

1810
01:53:58,212 --> 01:54:00,658
You can't speak or you can. But no one did.

1811
01:54:00,718 --> 01:54:03,946
No one did. These pastors were on the honor system.

1812
01:54:04,066 --> 01:54:06,672
Pastors in the room listening to me. And I said,

1813
01:54:06,692 --> 01:54:09,058
yes, sir, we are here. And he said, listen to

1814
01:54:09,098 --> 01:54:14,337
me. go and tell the church they are not ready

1815
01:54:14,517 --> 01:54:17,622
for what is coming the narrative that is coming what

1816
01:54:17,762 --> 01:54:21,087
they are going to say is going to be like

1817
01:54:21,287 --> 01:54:24,471
nothing you can even imagine they are preparing to tell

1818
01:54:24,551 --> 01:54:27,416
us that they are from another dimension that they are

1819
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our creator and that these beings these aliens, whatever you

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want to call them, they were the ones that seated

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us here. There is no such thing as God. Jesus

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was invented by them. The Bible was invented by them

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and begin to just say, listen, prepare the people for

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what is coming because they're not ready. So... So Joe

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brings this up, but here's what was interesting. There were...

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two briefings. And I heard about one of them. Because

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it took place during NRB. By the way, take clip

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of the day for that last clip. Oh, it's so

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soon already. Okay. Sorry. I'll take it. Thank you. And

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it gets. followed by my getting to say oh brother

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no you can you but this is good This is

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really because Burleson did talk to the pastors. This guy,

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this... Larry Ragland, he had to issue an apology. He

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said, oh, you know, he didn't really say that. that

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all this was coming, that the aliens had created the

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Bible and made up the whole story about God. That

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was my editorial. I should have made it clear that

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that wasn't what the senator said. But it was Burleson

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who spoke to those pastors in Missouri. And Burchett, he

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spoke to pastors. During NRB, I heard someone mention something,

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oh, there's some off-site at an Airbnb, and there's some

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senator calling in. And it did happen. That was Berkshire.

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Burleson was the other one, and here's where Joe brings

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it up to Burchett, and Burchett's like, eh, because already...

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People are only talking about Burleson. They're not talking about

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Burchard. But he did it too. Yeah, the pastor's thing

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that I sent you, Jamie. It's bonkers. I don't buy

1848
01:56:15,287 --> 01:56:18,657
that. So this is a guy. It says his name

1849
01:56:18,717 --> 01:56:24,779
is Alan Dido. It's weird. This was a whole different

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YouTube pastor, not the original guy. Capital D, lowercase I,

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01:56:28,447 --> 01:56:34,590
capital D, lowercase I, O. Didio. Didio? After sitting in

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01:56:34,871 --> 01:56:37,296
a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these

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investigations, the message was clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is

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coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not

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01:56:45,415 --> 01:56:48,124
an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are

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01:56:48,144 --> 01:56:52,171
they preparing the people for? Like, why would they bring

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in... Urban pastors I've never heard of. You think it's

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01:56:54,996 --> 01:56:57,180
BS? I do. I think it is. I think if

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01:56:57,200 --> 01:56:59,384
he'd have brought anybody in, he'd have brought Franklin Graham

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in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his...

1861
01:57:02,530 --> 01:57:04,734
Yeah, well, I mean, he also has a show, which

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is... Of course he does. Of course he does. Oh,

1863
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so his show is about disclosure? The Revival Nation Church

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or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is

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just what these clips are coming around. Can you click

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on his bio, please? Like what it clicks, what it

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01:57:18,646 --> 01:57:23,887
says? equipping end time believers for the next great awakening

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01:57:24,209 --> 01:57:28,143
oh boy I would warn people that think we're in

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01:57:28,184 --> 01:57:30,869
the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that.

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It says that they don't even, the angels in heaven

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don't even know when the end's coming. I'll spare you

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01:57:38,043 --> 01:57:41,470
the long clip where it turns out that indeed both

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these guys spoke to a group of pastors, one in

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Missouri, one in Tennessee. and he's really oh that's bullcrap

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01:57:49,936 --> 01:57:53,465
he did it it was definitely birch it And I

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01:57:53,806 --> 01:57:56,656
think that these guys are, I don't know about Burleson.

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He may be a little bit deeper into the, we've

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01:58:00,208 --> 01:58:02,436
got to get everybody on board because this is fun

1879
01:58:02,496 --> 01:58:05,457
and we can get more money for the military. Birchit

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is probably just a true believer who sleeps in his

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office in his car. I don't know, but he definitely

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01:58:10,107 --> 01:58:12,793
did that. And now you bring in these idiots, whoever

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01:58:12,833 --> 01:58:15,799
invited the pastors, I'm sorry to say it, but the

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YouTube pastors, the end time pastors, they're out of control.

1885
01:58:19,646 --> 01:58:22,332
They just talk all kinds of crap and then they

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01:58:22,392 --> 01:58:25,498
scare people. And, you know, we did a survey at

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01:58:25,558 --> 01:58:28,336
our church. Like, what would you like to hear Pastor

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01:58:28,356 --> 01:58:30,949
Jimmy preach about? Number three on the list, end times.

1889
01:58:31,371 --> 01:58:35,614
Because everybody's watching this. It's nuts. But of course, if

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01:58:35,816 --> 01:58:41,451
you follow the no agenda logic, of military. There's always

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01:58:41,491 --> 01:58:44,065
this thing lurking in the shadows which we've been talking

1892
01:58:44,125 --> 01:58:47,801
about for almost two decades. Project Bluebeam. is going to

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01:58:47,841 --> 01:58:54,033
be used not as a replacement for real actions. It's

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going to be used the way that Hollywood uses CGI.

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And it's possible there's going to be involvement from Hollywood

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in this as well, where they're going to be using

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holograms. in order to do what Hollywood calls sweetening of

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these false flags. And so in other words, they can

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actually have, when we have, for instance, fake alien invasion.

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where we will have the cabals send all of these

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01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:27,319
tic-tacs against a city, against one of our major cities.

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01:59:27,583 --> 01:59:32,009
to actually destroy it and to make it basically to

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01:59:32,089 --> 01:59:36,444
wreak havoc upon one of our cities. That's always lurking

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01:59:36,464 --> 01:59:41,769
in the shadows. Project Bluebeam. It fits. It fits. If

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01:59:41,789 --> 01:59:44,886
you want to talk conspiracy, second half of show, Project

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01:59:44,946 --> 01:59:48,297
Bluebeam fits like a T to this. And I don't

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01:59:48,318 --> 01:59:51,412
know if Trump knows about this. He's like, "Oh, if

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01:59:51,473 --> 01:59:53,391
you guys want to disclose something, all right, we'll put

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01:59:53,431 --> 01:59:59,608
it out, whatever." whatever we got, some TikTok videos. I

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don't know. Yeah, well... That went nowhere. Yeah, it did.

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It went... I took it right to... Project Bluebeam. What

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02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:12,100
are you talking about? It's perfect. I rounded it out.

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I could do the thing about the guy who wrote

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the book and got killed, but I didn't want to

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bore you with that. Yeah, I remember the guy who

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02:00:20,557 --> 02:00:22,371
wrote the book. Did you know the guy who wrote

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the book? No, I never met the guy who wrote

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the book. Serge Monsaert? But you know, the funny thing

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is... You know, they talk about, well, the CIA didn't

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contribute to this. The CIA has a database that you

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02:00:32,093 --> 02:00:35,648
can look stuff up in. I talked about this five

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02:00:35,708 --> 02:00:40,513
years ago. You can look up UFOs in the CIA

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02:00:40,593 --> 02:00:43,975
database, and there's a bunch of screwball stories in there.

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02:00:44,427 --> 02:00:47,280
It's about the guy in the farm that he found

1925
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:51,488
the alien spacecraft and he tried to move and he

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02:00:51,508 --> 02:00:54,815
was frozen because of some mental trick they were playing

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02:00:54,935 --> 02:00:57,841
on him. It's all in the CIA files. A whole

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02:00:57,881 --> 02:01:01,688
bunch of these crazy stories and these never come to

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the fore. It's very weird. Only the good ones that

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they're really working on like Project Bluebeam. Maybe. Would you

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put it past our government? Just to finish up on

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a lighter note. Okay. Before we go into the break.

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Uh... So there was a couple of these actresses now

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in Hollywood are becoming OnlyFans women. Couple? A whole bunch

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of them. A whole bunch of them? Like big names.

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And they're making money. Are they cute? Well, there's a

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bunch of big names and the latest one is Jamie.

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I think her name is Jamie Presley. She used to

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be in. The actress can't get work. But I thought

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I would go to the well, because just as an

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example, how much money can these girls make? Uh,