I just can't see you on a skateboard.
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
It's Thursday, February 13 2014. Time for your getting donation
media assassination, episode five, nine or one.
This is no agenda.
vaccinating human resources against mainstream melee and
FEMA Region six at the travel sites hideout in Austin, Texas
in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, plain and simple. I'm
John C. Dvorak. Buzzkill.
All right. Before we used to say anything, did you did you
purposely were you late on coming in? Or do we have some
kind of latency already?
Oh, we have latency? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big
time. I just waited three seconds for you to reply.
Well, it's funny because we didn't have it the last time we
did this. And is
this. We're testing a new package?
Yeah, yeah.
That's very weird when
he's not good.
You want to go back to MIT?
No, I think we should disconnect and reconnect. I don't think it
has anything to do with the quality.
Of course it does. The higher the quality, the more latency
that's obvious because of the date. Okay, I'll go back to mid
to mid and you sounded fine. On mid How do you send back on mid?
Yeah, okay. I'm going to count and you fill in the blank.
1234567567 It's horrible. It's really bad. I'm going to
disconnect. We'll try it one time and one time only.
Okay, there we go away.
This is John's idea. People just want you to know, I had nothing
to do with it. Hello.
You didn't disconnect? I sure did. Did you hit the disconnect
button or close? Disconnect after hit close? No, you have to
disconnect. I'm gonna hit disconnect. And we should be
done
disconnected. Are you disconnected yet? No one needs
to listen to this crap on a podcast. Are you there?
I just reconnect. All right. All right. All right. I'm
going to count 12345. It's not going to work.
What if you laugh after my five came immediate?
I'm laughing because I'm not hearing you.
Oh, you don't hear me at all? No, I
hear you. But I kind of 123455 All right, fine. We'll try this.
It may it may be just as bad as Skype. I don't know what is this
thing we're using?
This is called vave or vo V or I have no idea. It's like movie
with a V.
Oh, it's a Silicon Valley thing. I know. And we had a meeting. We
need to come up with a name. I don't know, man. It's like, as
named after a shoe store. Yeah, shoe store.
Is that with me via was?
No. Maybe not a shoe store? I thought it was a shoe store.
You're talking about
this? I thought you said you'd be like somebody like some shoes
from this place in South Midlands.
You are making this up? I've never heard of this. No. I
just wonder why everyone was told in
the meeting. Whatever. All right.
No, I mean, okay, well, what was how did meitheal come about?
I have no idea. That was the domain name was available. Who
cares? How can I? How do I get rid of it as a bigger question.
That's, that's what we want. Anyway, so this is new package.
I have to say you sound spectacular.
It's just that I have a little you sound good, too. Okay.
All right. Now, everyone's very excited about the new package.
Well, a new package is an alpha. So we use a ways off before
anyone can use it.
Yeah. All right. Good, good. Good. All right. Thank you all
very much for the 800 emails saying that you believe Victoria
Nuland said deets and not deeds, I got it. And that's actually
makes me sadder than thinking that she had some details to
work out with with the current prime minister of Ukraine. So
instead of the instead of her actually having some deeds, you
know, like oil leases and deeds and something interesting, she's
doing hipster Valley girls speak and saying deets, which just
makes me want to throw up that's horrible background
on this.
But you remember the quiz. This isn't a
this is was this was a clip we played on Sunday, right?
This is and I was trying to figure it out Christian Oh,
yeah. Why don't you talk to what's his name the prime
minister of Ukraine and then make sure the deed six stick and
I thought she was talking about the deeds. And I don't know did
you not get any emails about this zero.
I got zero bonus. Oh, I
got a whole bunch of I think she said deets, as in di T S as in
Valley. Speak for details.
Oh, oh, that's funny.
It's not It's disgusting. That's our State Department has to
speak like that now.
Is that? That is funny. I like it. Hey, I got some deets for
ya. It's sad. I can't even imagine some of these other
things. You could say my all my email was people saying, Oh,
they killed the guy who made the the ring that
did murder. We had that on the show. We said it was the biggest
hoax.
Yeah, no, it was just, that's my email was mostly Hold
on a second. Let me let me play the Newland thing because I
didn't realise that you hadn't received a single email about
this, which is interesting. By itself. He didn't. Let me just
see I'd have to. Because at the end, I think what she's talking
about
is my snarky responses that have kept people away. No.
It's also just your last name. People don't know how to spell
it. And with that they don't fry back now they just give up they
just like don't even try. Oh, I looked everywhere for John's
email address. No, you didn't. Like everywhere. Everywhere he
goes, Listen, talk to you. Oh, there it is.
Exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick
together because you can be pretty sure that if it does, if
it does start to gain altitude, the Russians will be working
behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again, the fact
that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure
out in my mind why Yannick COVID That but in the meantime there's
a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and
I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group
at this point. But anyway, we could we could land jelly set up
on this one if we move
even that we can land jelly sign up on this one which of course
was the title of the previous episode. The way these people
talk? What did they do? Do they really think they are? More I
hear this the more and she's abbreviating everybody's name
yes instead of yet to catch a couple check off Yes, I got
Yeah, it's and and this guy. I'm jelly. We might land Jelly
Sandwich click glitch clinching yet so
let me work on let me work on Klitschko and if you can just
keep I think we want to try to get somebody within
international personality to
ideas let's let's get some heavy guns in here and national
personality come on, say deets.
Come out here and help to midwife this thing midwife to
midwife this thing. That's almost as bad as what I said
during the test of this software. I talked about
something being baked in you you can't be he can't believe I say
we got to baked in all these metaphors. I've got a midwife
this if it gains altitude we have to torpedo and it could
like land jelly side up. You'd think they were talking in code
if you didn't know that they were just more on
the other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we've
probably regrouped
on that. Let me talk about that.
So on that piece, Jeff, when I wrote the note solitons come
back to me VFR saying you need Biden and I said probably
tomorrow for an attaboy and get the deeds to stick
the deeds to stick I guess I guess that's what you said the
deets. All right, we got the deets the
dates the stick and the detail deeds. Yeah, I
guess it's details. I was seriously like, these people are
high ranking officials in the State Department of the United
States of America. They sound
like a sorority. freshman girls at some crappy College.
Tell me it's Yeah. Well, indeed. Just this little doesn't sound
right. Okay.
All right jelly site up.
So I started getting a whole bunch of tweets two days ago. As
it as the news report came out. Donald Greg, my uncle Uncle Don
arrived in Pyongyang. With a that's North Korea. Yes. The
Capitol Yes. With with an envoy. Now this is very interesting.
I didn't get to go on this trip. Well, mount.
So here's the deal. So as you know, I had already reached out
to Uncle Don Meg about hooking up this summer and you're going
to see them, which has actually turned into a little mini family
reunion in our mock which is great, because, you know, I get
to see all of my cousins who have clearance.
Which, how many is that?
All of them? Well, Lucy used to be.
What about Willow?
No, that's my sister. She has no clearance. Zero.
She's a relative. No, no, no, no
wrong side of the family. But my cousin, my cousin Lucy, who
actually is coming to Austin in April. So we'll see here before
then. She was married to Christopher Buckley.
Yeah, can you have can you do me a personal favour? Sure. Have
the place look to bug detail? Make sure that there's nothing
planned.
So you know, Christopher. It's after she leaves you know,
Christopher Buckley is.
Yeah, he's Christopher Buckley's William Buckley's kid, kid.
Yeah,
exactly. And so there's all there's all kinds of clearances
and stuff over there. And so anyway, I had reached out
appropriately because we discussed on the show that one
day uncle Nan is not going to be there anymore. He's 84 And you
know it's gonna suck because I just won't have any I need some
deets. So I basically emailed said, hey you know before this
thing lands jelly sign up I need some deeds from y'all can we
come by so it turns into a little mini reunion in August
which is great. We're gonna go. And so we're going and I just
confirmed this. And then I see on breaking news CNN Donald Greg
with several other and this is great the several other members
of the Pacific century Institute Yeah, you got to look this one
up the Pacific century Institute now I had I was unawares its
Pacific Institute, the Pacific century, I ns t.org. I think
looking at it now, and I've done as much research as I as I could
really get to there was an official ONVIF envoy from the
State Department which was cancelled. I guess these guys
were going to try and see if they could get Kenneth Bae
jacked out or whatever. And that was cancelled. And then the next
day uncle Don with a couple buddies from the Pacific century
Institute show up. And the State Department is very quick to say
this is not sanctioned and not there on behalf of the on behalf
of the United States. You know that this is not a
wink wink nudge nudge? Well, I,
I have to think, John, now that we know that, you know, Uncle
Don went on till he was ambassador to South Korea
amongst many other things. By the way, his he is the let me
see about. I gotta read this to you,
the chairman of his generation.
Have you seen his? Have you seen his his bio? Let me read this
on this on this. Yes, yes, yes, yes, this is great.
Following graduation from Williams College in 1951, he
joined the Central Intelligence Agency and an even asked to say
CIA in parentheses. Like we didn't know that just in case.
Over the next quarter century was assigned to Japan, Burma,
Vietnam and Korea. I thought it wasn't allowed to talk about the
Japan thing. Anyway, he was seconded to the National
Security Council staff in 79, where he was in charge of
intelligence activities and Asian policy affairs. In 82,
Greg was asked by then Vice President George Bush to become
his National Security Adviser. He then retired wink wink from
the CIA, and was awarded its highest decoration that
distinguished intelligence medal, which means I
couldn't talk about fight club. Well,
when you get the metal you get to you know,
I wonder what that understanding was? No, we get to talk about
the metal
distinguished intelligence metal. I wonder what that does
that mean he's the best spy ever. He's He's one. All right.
And then he served as they make no mention here of Iran Contra.
I wonder why they don't put that in his bio that would be
appropriate. That's when he became ambassador to South
Korea. But then you look down here at member of the Council on
Foreign Relations. Recent awards include honorary degree from
Green Mountain College, Secretary of Defence metal guys
who make the coffee I think so. Yeah. Secretary of Defence medal
for outstanding public service. The Williams College Kellogg
award, this guy is so elitist, but yet he's cool, which makes
it kind of interesting.
I think a lot of elites are cool. Yeah.
I do know that he wants to talk for Goldman Sachs. And then they
sent him stock and he was so appalled because he didn't
wouldn't take any payment. He gave the stock back.
To him that was a mistake. Now. I think there's probably bugged
now I think I think with with Don, as he was the one that
essentially said, you know, Dennis Rodman the first time
around, not this time when he was puking in the hallways
everywhere and shitting in the hotel. He said, Dennis Rodman
basically has the right idea North Korea just wants they
don't want pharmacists. They just want to be a full
basketball and skiing kickball and skiing. That's That's
because Owen was a basketball nut. We talked about this
before. Yeah, we have all the details of it. He liked the
Chicago Bulls the most Yes. Yeah. And was just where Dennis
played. It was in one iteration. And he loves skiing because he
lived in Switzerland.
So I send over a note to to Meg. Please don't click that pen.
It's so loud. We talk.
This is different. This is me. I'll tell you what I was doing.
I had the keyboard on my lap and I'm pulling out the little the
little legs and then pushing the legs back down. This is what
caused me to keep hitting that stupid button.
What could you not do that? fiddling? I'm
fiddling good Don't be so mean to me.
Well just do it. Some fiddle with something softer. No, I
put a keyboard on the floor. Whoa very funny. Oh yeah. is
never that soft, my friend. Okay,
let me write that down. When does that 23 toe. Toe of course
this is very stubborn. This is very this is very typical. cycle
for North Korea, where they have this kind of the carrot the
stick thing like oh, we're going to reunify the families but only
if you guys don't do military exercises with what
is being seen as a surprise invitation from North Korea to
South Korea to take part in high level talks in the demilitarised
village of one one job
here. This invite comes as preparations continue for a
reunion of separated families later this month. And that we've
just had these pictures that have just come into us within
the last few minutes of the South Korean delegation. Just a
warning, there is some flash photography in the pictures you
are about to see. They show the South Korean delegation
departing for the tools to be held at the border. And it has
been more than six years since such high level meetings took
place with the North Vietnamese and
although agenda has not been set before the meeting, the two
sides are expected to discuss the major inter Korean issues
including the smooth proceeding and the regularisation of family
reunions. And his
conference there in Geneva, the North Korean ambassador to the
United Nations urged Washington and Seoul to suspend their
planned annual military exercises.
So it's always the same thing. It's always Oh, we want to bring
everyone together but you have to stop the military exercises
now. I believe Don is there to really make something work
because he's never they don't show him anywhere. He goes on
Fareed Zakaria CNN Don says hey, you know, these these guys just
want to participate. You know, don't be such douchebags towards
North Korea. I haven't seen him on the news since this is what
two years ago
was because he's not part of these obviously not read into
the whatever script they will run.
So I fire off an email the mag I'm like, hey, you know, hey,
looking forward to seeing this. Hey, looking forward to seeing
you guys August 16. Oh, just saw on CNN the danza in. In K today
you know any any any info was always appreciated? I should
read your her her exact email. It was I don't have in front of
me. It was literally like, great. The union's gonna be fun.
PS Don Tripp low key, which is code four, shut the fuck up.
Don't not even done. Just don Tripp low key. Okay. So yeah,
and there's nothing you can't find a single news report about
it. Since this is not three days ago, you
spotted the news report with a news report. The guy probably
was fired. Hey, man,
don't do it. Anyway, so
I may not have found out about it. So we're scouring the news.
And
so there is some some speculation. Maybe he's going to
try and pop this kind of Bay guy free? I don't? I don't think so.
I think I think Don was probably requested by the South Koreans
to try and make something work. He's highly respected in both
South and North Korea. And here,
not so much so that I could meet with the old man when he was
still alive.
Well, we talked about that. And you'll recall that he had sent
movies over and he at least took a recommendation. Do you
remember this? No. But yeah, he was going to send a package of,
of movies to Kim Jung IL. And we and we had on the show we did
suggestions. You remember this?
Oh, I do remember the suggestions for the movies.
We had. We had some real prize winners. Yeah, that's what we
get. So that was that was the closest we got to you drinking
Cabernet or whatever the old guy is. Anyway, so here's a
Bordeaux. Here's one last little report on this is all I could
find on the North Korean situation.
There aren't many ways to relax in North Korea. Here at the
country's new ski resort. Fun is accessed via military style
checkpoint, and a creaky 40 minute crawl up the mountain.
There's plenty of room on the slopes. This is a hobby reserved
for North Korea's elite.
But the thing that's interesting about this is they make it sound
like this is crazy ski lift. The thing is brand new to creaky.
Sounds like it? Yeah, it sounds like a bad report. And it's not
probably reserved. Anyone who can afford it can get there
probably can go skiing if they want. I mean, North Koreans are
interested in skiing, not none.
But yeah, you can go you can get there. This is I think they're
open for business. And this is something you said years ago you
said North Korea wants to be a tourist destination. We nailed
it is probably in Red Book number one. Probably nailed it.
And just you know, we just have some issues with now it's like
Russia. It's the same thing. All
I see all the time to figure out how to do things so they won't
listen to anyone
now but the way it's being portrayed. If you walk out on
the street, you say, what do you think Russia is like? I'm sure
people like oh, it's all locked down. It's crazy. They have crap
food, drink vodka that drunk all day. Got nothing but in that
case, though, Are there toilets that Yeah, it's like, yeah, in
1985. But you'd think that America really does not
understand that Moscow. You can there's product stores, who they
know who the Kardashians are in Moscow and in St. Petersburg.
If you travel enough, you can, especially in these countries
that we're developing. Like, if you go if you've been I didn't
go to Beijing and in the 80s, but I was there in the 90s. And
then within five years, it's like a different city. And then
as Shanghai just popped up out of nowhere is this huge
metropolis is modern metropolis. Little is weird architecture.
And they can turn this stuff. I mean, these, we've done it every
place except Haiti. We can modernise in the drop of a hat
for some reason. He's Jinx. Now we realised
Haiti, we rub alized at did exactly what we're supposed to
do that we're good, good work.
So the Russian thing is bullcrap. And if you see some of
the reports from Sochi, where they're actually in, it's a
resort town on the Baltic Sea for the Russian elites. And
they're trying to modernise it, in my opinion. They went through
all this effort to modernise and build up and dropped to 51
billion in there to keep the Russian oligarchs in the
countries Yes, because they were all going to Santro pay and
throwing money away on overpriced balls of DOM pairing
y'all actually just assume they have extra money away and so she
it's no longer
Santro pay it's what is the island down there off of off of
the Italian coast
there's some island not going to now not yet not talking about
this?
Yeah, we just can't remember exactly Chicka Corsica was a
Corsica No, I
don't think so. Course was pretty big.
It was some other douchebag yacht town. Yeah. Anyway, it's
not it's not central Pei anymore. It's just not. However,
fascinating to go. Of course, now we have the gay thing. And I
wanted to state one more time to my lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer
questioning intersex. Brothers and sisters, you are being
misused. You are being abused by the just by your own brothers
and sisters unfortunately, are doing anything they can to to
collect money. All under the premise of Russia is is horrible
towards gays. And this ABC report which I picked up really
solidifies how out of touch the mainstream media is with what's
really going on as apparently the only gays in Russia they can
find our drag queens. And this is it's actually it's offensive.
It's really becoming offensive. How and it's the same club by
the way that BBC guy went to visit we played that clip a
couple of weeks ago. He's like Oh yes. And now this clip boy
was shot at and you get some that he's got some she'll who's
just not even understanding the questions have been shot
out. Because and there have also been like water attacks. Yes.
Maybe a gas. Yeah, they tore up the roof. Yes, clubs Central
Station. Russia's largest gay venue is under attack a shooting
gas attacks, vandalism, patrons and staff horrified. And now the
manager points out this, a bizarre morality patrol van that
monitors the club videotaping
like someone's Volkswagen bus on the sidewalk within and they
might not even be true. It's just a ridiculous report. Shame
on you ABC patrons as they come and go
because they're trying to make us uncomfortable to hide to not
to go out
the names of several Central Station patrons have been
changed to protect their identities. Alexei is 20 years
old, intelligent soft spoken
here. You can't even go outside and say out loud sit here again.
And it's not only for the Internet can be dangerous for
you.
Is not only forbidden, which is not you know, they just got some
kid who dresses up and is is a drag queen performer to just say
some stuff. And it's really it's very disturbing. I think the gay
community even the whole idea of gay community to do everything
makes me metal thing makes me mad. Everything just ah ah,
honestly, I had another great example of that. There was I
guess Amazon has their new show. They're they're trying to
compete with Netflix. So they have a show out called the
after, I guess. I have no idea what it's about and and I was
told I should not Watch it. But here's a clip solidifying how
wrong how misguided we are in gay rights which are just human
rights or human rights and rights that you have this should
why shouldn't if they're gay rights it should be lesbian
rights and intersex rights and and by curious rights and
straight rights what is that? How about just human rights and
crimes are crimes does not hate crime it makes no sense focus
fake it's a matter of fucking speaking don't even have any
friends in high fuckin places yet twink How do you even know
I'm gay it gays fucking Christmas you're just a hateful
human being I some folk in parades I hate you know hate
speech in itself is a crime. There you go. That's what we're
teaching people. Hate speech in itself is a crime.
Well, whatever it takes. Now it's we got to get there with
the only way we're going to slam down our freedom of speech is by
making everything like you know, you gotta think through
everything. And this is what's going on. I think that's one of
the big news this week. I did get mail on this was the drop of
the United States and so far as the free press is concerned at
number 46 on the world. Reporters Without Borders. And
of course there was all upset about this. They said they were
number 33 That wasn't bad enough. But you know, we started
to strike What do you start complaining about this at? 4042?
I'm not sure.
here's the here's the thing that I found interesting. The
Netherlands is number two. I mean, anyone who's from the
Netherlands not Yes, number two or number two, they were like
number 10 number two behind Finland. Go look it up. I
haven't right here. Number two, what to go look at them now.
Number two behind Finland which made me laugh.
What's the name of their? Yeah, it is funny.
What do you mean Reporters Without boredom? But Rob without
borders and rpg.org Reporters Without boredom is that's the
new the new name. Here. It's our RSS. Rs f.org. And the
Netherlands is number two behind Finland. And I've I have very
close ties with the Netherlands. It's a Staci state. But more
than 2 million people were eavesdropped on by the and this
this just came out in. In Dutch parliamentary hearings, I think
was 1.8 million people were eavesdropped. That's 10% of the
population. By the way. 1.8 more than 10% 1.8 million calls were
eavesdropped on by the Dutch CIA and then given to the NSA just
given to them. Oh, here you go. Here's everything we've got.
Here this Finland one Netherlands to Norway, three
Luxembourg for the freedom of the they the government
subsidises. Journalists in the Netherlands. Yeah, everyone. Oh,
yeah. Everything's great here. Yeah, I'm not gonna complain.
How can it be number two, this is this is a farce.
Well, if everything you say is true, it is an obvious farce.
But of course, that that made room for something very, very
weird. I had not expected this to happen so quickly. I
seriously did not expect that Glenn Greenwald's. First Look,
the intercept media thing, the $250 million WordPress blog. I
did not expect that the first story out of the gate to be
compromised. I was blown away. Really they're doing this the
first story they have is a complete cover for the
government. How did you you saw the first story, I presume,
John?
Yeah, the story was I have some clips about it. The first story
was, I thought it was very lame. At first, I thought the first
two stories related. The second one was worse than the first
which was exclusive photos of all the spy locations, Fort
Meade and whatever. Anybody exclusive. If I take a picture
of my thumb and publish it, it's an exclusive photo. You've never
seen it before. This is a photo you've never seen before. And it
was just a bunch of lame photos. I didn't even see that it was
even remotely interesting.
But I'll take it one step further. And I also have a few
clips because this was no coincidence as far as I'm
concerned. And I'm going to I just have to I have to call
these guys on being corrupt. So they come up with this first
story. And and this first story is about how the NSA is
apparently solve by itself responsible for the StG in
signals intelligence, which She is used for drone strikes and
drone targeting. And effectively, the way I saw it
gave entire cover to the CIA who actually run the drone
programme, who have the kill list, who actually killed people
with all kinds of intelligence, it put this squarely on the
shoulders of the NSA. In that entire article, there was only
one mention of the CIA, the rest was all NSA and NSA and NSA and
NSA. Now
what you're, what you're saying is, you're reiterating a point
that we made some time ago, which is that this is a battle
between the NSA and the CIA, and you're now saying that this is a
an exam. You're
done. I'm gonna take it once they're done by this i Well, I
am stunned. Yes, I am stunned that. Apparently, this is I can
see it no other way. But first, I'll give you an example. Here's
broth. And this is how the mainstream media, which is what
most citizens listen to, and watch, here's how he's
interpreting this news, which should be about the CIA killing
people.
Many of those unmanned attacks rely on mobile phone information
from the NSA. That's not necessarily all that dependable.
Our CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT, Jim Shooto is
here. He's got the details of this new information, this new
report, what are you learning?
Well, this goes right to the core of what you learn in drone
programme because it goes to how targets are selected and comes
from
this very important, he's talking about the core of the
drone programme, which is no longer the CIA, apparently,
Glenn
Greenwald, of course, the source of the Edward Snowden
revelations about NSA mass surveillance, he quotes a former
drone operator.
Yes. And we have an by the way, John, we have now a new unnamed
source, a former drone operator, diagnose some of those. So this
is a new source, they come out on this day, apparently, some
rush that they have to get something up and going, which is
why it looks, you know, their feeds weren't even working for
the first 48 hours
saying that these targets are chosen really by metadata
analysis and phone tracking rather than human intelligence
on the ground. His reporting partner Jeremy Scahill called it
quote, death by metadata, entering an era of free crime or
reference to the movie Minority Report. Okay, so
while this is taking place, right now, we are seeing all
kinds of movie clips. This is another thing that happened in
the past 36 hours, 4836, maybe 48. We're seeing movie footage
references, they talk about Minority Report. He's saying
death by metadata data, which is literally connecting the CIA
drone killings to the NSA metadata.
And what this does is it encompasses two of the
programmes Obama has expanded while in office, both the drone
programme, the NSA surveillance programme, and of course, we'll
have two programmes that he's had trouble defending. And he's
had to backtrack a bit now on NSA mass surveillance. So it's,
it's really getting into the two of the most difficult areas for
President Obama in the national security space.
Now, this isn't as I said, the timing of this was very
interesting. They rushed this website out this WordPress blog.
The feeds weren't working, there's a lot of things were
wrong. It just it was it was a very end the story was right,
okay, so the terrorist, take their SIM cards, jumble them up
in a bag and somehow, you know, then we can't find them track
them. This is why we kill innocent people. There's no
human intelligence on the ground. Sounds like bullcrap.
But it comes out on the same day where we have this news, which
all of a sudden appears in Associated Press just out of the
blue, another
report than the AP today, for anonymous officials basically
saying the US is currently contemplating a targeted killing
action against an American citizen.
This story was strange to me for a number of reasons. One,
why are they talking now? Two, what is the purpose? And three,
it seemed to kind of bury the lead, which is that we've
already done this. I'm
not quite clear. What would be new here. How do you react to
that?
Now this is the MSNBC and Jeremy Scahill who of course, there is
some timing because the Oscars are coming up in his Dirty Wars
is nominated. But he's on every single show, plugging the death
by metadata connecting the NSA to the droning. And we have the
story, all of a sudden, there's some unnamed terrorist, an
American in an unnamed place who we need to go kill. And for some
reason, exactly when this cover story comes out, the Associated
Press gets the announcement about this from the
administration. Interesting timing.
Right. I mean, as you know, because you've talked about
this, probably more than almost anyone on corporate television.
You know, President Obama has admitted that the US has killed
four US citizens and a drone strike, the most prominent Anwar
al aulaqi, this American citizen, to me, Chris
politically, this indicates that the White House has already made
a decision that they're going to kill another American citizen
and they're sort of floating a balloon out to the American
public this way. is very, very serious issues about the
constitutionality of the drone strike programme. Whether or not
the US believes it can kill its own citizens without even
charging them with a crime where the President has sort of
Emperor like powers would be something that our courts should
take up very, very quickly. And that should be the subject of
much debate in Congress and not just from the Rand Paul's, and
the Justin Amash is of the world, it should be something
that Democrats should actually pay attention to.
Now. I think Scahill is I think he's just dumb. But I think, at
least when he when he does interviews, he's not the
smartest guy he always divulge just too much, I think. I think
he's right about this. And there is a reason that the
administration wants to find out if they can legally kill an
American citizen. Of course, broth is on the other side, he's
just doing what he's supposed to do.
Like a scene out of homeland elite US forces mapping and
alleged al Qaeda leader on the street.
This is very important, like a scene out of homeland connecting
your brain to Homeland and we're seeing some grainy video footage
in a matter of seconds. The remarkable video is surfacing in
the midst of a new debate within the Obama administration about
his terrifying tactics, the key question right now, should the
United States kill kill an American citizens plotting an
attack right now against the United States kill,
kill, kill kill. Then we have David Martin of CBS, who's going
to give us the very short version of what this is really
about, and why we have this homeland TV show like looking
footage all of a sudden popping up with the news that we're
going to kill a citizen with the news that it's all the NSA is
doing? Well, officials
confirmed that, indeed, the Obama administration is trying
to decide whether it can legally launch a drone strike and
against an American citizen, who is working with al Qaeda in an
unnamed foreign country, in effect execute him without a
trial. But the Justice Department first has to make a
case that this American is actively plotting to kill other
Americans. And the Pentagon has to determine there is no chance
to capture him alive and that a drone strike would not cause
civilian casualties.
Okay, so now we have the the everything is spread and set. So
we need to prove that we can't capture the guy and we need to
prove that there will be no casualties, no civilian
casualties. Now, the civilian casualties will be covered by
the NSA, because we're going to have to change something there
so that the NSA is clearly guilty of killing civilian
civilians. But at the same time while this is happening,
outcomes, add this footage from Libya that proves that we know
how to capture these guys we just can't capture this guy
in this dramatic newly released security camera footage newly
released just coincidental obtained by the Washington Post.
A van pulls up next to a vehicle on the streets of Tripoli,
Libya. Last October watch as US Army Delta Force commandos jump
out and grab on so Libby, an alleged al Qaeda operative
alleged second, the suspect is captured but raids like this one
aren't always an option for terrorist suspects. The usual
option drone strikes.
So we're set so obviously the public now knows we know how to
capture guys because you saw the homeland TV show. You saw the
footage that you saw the closed caption grainy video we know how
to do we just can't capture this guy. Let's talk to some real
experts. BBC has Alberto Gonzalez. What do we know about
Alberto Gonzalez? John?
Well, we know he was the stooge that a lawyer that okayed the
torture,
torture and wire the wire warrantless wiretapping.
Yeah, no, he's just the all in on everything.
And he actually wrote a large portion of the drone rules of
engagement. And the BBC unbelievably asks the right
question.
Well, I think that is a challenge for the Obama
administration in terms of the whole process of deeming this
person that enemy combatant, he's an American citizen, but
deeming him as a new combatant is a process or protocol that
involves solely the executive branch. And it does call into
question whether or not this American citizen is being
afforded due process and in the process of designating him an
enemy combatant. And that's the challenge that I think the the
President has even istration has in the event that this issue
ever becomes before a US Court, which of
course is exactly what we want, because we want to have the
Supreme Court say this is all okay, here comes the smart lady
from the BBC.
You of course, were in the Bush administration, as the drone
policy was being drawn up. It sounds though, like you have
some concerns about the White House targeting an American
citizen abroad?
Not necessarily I'm in favour of a drone programme, I think it's
been very, very effective,
obviously, might not be able to get through a court of law.
Well, what I'm worried about is that when the programme began,
of course, we didn't target American citizens, as I recall.
And also we did
not sure. But that's what I I'm not sure I've done not what I
recall the
benefit of Supreme Court decisions that came about after
the programme began. So we're wiser today, we we now know, I
think we have a better understanding and feel as to
where the court might go, if this issue ever came before the
court to the pushing
this job. They know exactly what they want. They need to get this
for one reason, and one reason only, so we can use drones on
American citizens in the homeland, wait for
it. So and I think that prudent decision makers should be
cognizant of those decisions and should take those decisions into
account in making decisions about how we prosecute the war
on terror.
But Mr. Cazale, is where does this stop? I mean, you know,
what, what's to prevent one day the administration making a case
that it should I take out an American citizen who's actually
on American soil?
Well, I think that that presents a much different scenario. There
are additional constitutional rights that would attach and I
think the administration would say that's not something we have
any interest in doing.
I love how that's pushed under the rug. No, no, I wouldn't have
no interest in doing that. We have no interest in killing you
in America. We're not interested
that's not something that we would ever consider. I would
never consider that however, when you think about the
possibility the very real possibility that the war on
terror will be fought more likely in the future on US soil
may involve more likely in the future.
I'm sorry, this is this is breaking news to me. It seems
like the war on terror will be fought in on our own soil John
this is seems like everyone's in on this we're missing the memo.
This is a very they would love to have this go off like this.
Well listen to I think these people are so deluded. Oh, no,
no no no no witness by these witnesses. This guy's
this you want to hear diluted. Erin Burnett, who's had her baby
hit your face looks beautiful by the way that you know after she
had the kid as radiant very radiant, but they're only
showing neck they're not zooming out which is I'm suspicious so
she had general marks on whose name is general spider marks
this this would be a clue right there. He's retired spider marks
whose whose nickname is spider. That's creepy. And he he's going
to take it one step further here is the the megalomania that is
rampant in our governments. Also
the fact and I you know people have have laughed at that at
this point. But to me, it's very important. That is if you're
going to have a conversation about whether it's okay to kill
an American who happens to be overseas who's plotting attacks
against America? Suppose that person was sitting in Des Moines
or in Washington DC, all of a sudden people go oh, well, that
would be ridiculous. We would never do it. intellectually.
It's the same person plotting the same thing. If we would kill
them with a drone overseas, it would only be intellectually
consistent to be willing to do it on American soil.
My answer to that is why not? Why not baby? exactly correct.
In fact, go back to 1996 with Timothy McVeigh Oh, and the
Murrah Building
in areas is McVeigh again, we've heard this several times now in
Oklahoma City.
And the great tragedy that occurred in that here's let's
let's assume for a second that drone technology existed, it did
not insufficient precision and detail back then, but let's
assume intelligence was known about McVeigh. His you is a
rental truck was in route, the rebuilding, we knew and
positively identified that he was in the vehicle, it was ready
to explode. And it was moving in the direction of the Murrah
Building. Why wouldn't we have used a drone to go after that?
Putting a bunch of law enforcement folks at risk to
stop that now instead?
Why should we forcement folks at risk Yeah.
Instead just explode this truck in the middle of I don't know
the highway. This is this is truly insanity. What this guy's
talking about? Who is this idiot general spider marks and never
heard of him. Now? He's retired general. These are x Ma, RK s.
He's insane. While you're looking that up, I'll wind this
up with both reiterating once again, that it's the NSA droning
people and not the CIA.
I want to make sure we heard from you correctly about the
NSA, the White House about these allegations that the drone
targeting uses cell phones better data, what's going
on with it? It focuses purely on the SIGINT as they call it
signals intelligence rather than human intelligence sources on
the ground. I was able to reach out to a US into allegiance
official also to the National Security Council in the White
House. And they say that for obvious reasons why they can't
comment on specific intelligence methods, they do make this point
very strongly that quote, our assessments are not based on a
single piece of information that we gather and scrutinised
information from a variety, variety of sources and methods.
They also pointed wolf to a speech by the President last
May, when he talks specifically about drone strikes, strikes as
they relate to civilians, and he said that we have to have near
certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured, the
highest standard reconsent. So pushing back very hard on this
point that for any strike, they're going to rely on any one
single piece of information if
there's no doubt that drone strikes have escalated since
President Obama took office from the Bush administration.
Absolutely.
Both. Both of these programmes he inherited from the Bush
administration NSA surveillance and the drone strikes both
expanded under Obama
Okay, so here's how I see the whole thing this all comes out
at the same time we have a rush job of Greenwald's expensive
blog coming out with a very not even a nun it not even like a
new story. But essentially saying we've got a new guy, we
have a new leaker whistleblower, we can't tell you who he is. He
used to operate drones. And he says the NSA is to blame for
civilian casualties at the same time when all of a sudden for
some reason we feel we have to announce we're going to kill an
American citizen we need to find out the legality Well, we can
only do that if he's plotting against the homeland if we
cannot capture him Oops, there's the new capture video that shows
we do know how to capture we just can't capture him I think
what's going to happen this I think it's a red herring I think
what they're going to do is they're going to have some kind
of congressional hearing about using SIM cards to track people
and they'll blame the NSA and then someone will step up and
say Oh, no problem we fixed it we can you know, we're good to
go. And meanwhile the CIA gets a free pass
Yeah, I'm not I don't know I'm not i It's an interesting I
can't I like what you you I liked the basis for I like where
you when you get the spider. But after that, I'm not so sure that
this is gonna get anybody a free pass for anything? I think it
is. Because for one thing, that amount of tension is getting is
only on these, CNN and now, I mean, they they play a bit of
it, nobody cares. It's not really getting any, you know,
it's not getting any real traction. You're right there
will be a hearing. And they'll get to the question of this then
by the way, and it's so it's such nonsense. One of the claims
is that oh, all these guys get together. It's like a swingers
party comes out party and they throw it into a hat and then you
grab somebody else you grab a sim and then you go off your
debt. Well, you can't be this bullcrap because it makes Abdul
Abdul is that you know this Muhammad here at Where's Abdul?
I don't know. He just grabbed a random seed. It's just gonna
happen to make 100 Call
note I write I heard this too. I was thinking to myself This
makes absolutely no sense
no, it makes no sense at all.
It's like oh, yeah, I want to play roulette I might I might be
the guy who gets the bad sim
that's the other thing I just keep my phone off yeah. Well
that we know that doesn't be on run when I was we know that
doesn't matter. Sim now this bull crap. Yeah. Well, we have
the W didn't get any of the I'm surprised how many clips because
they Scahill and greenwall. Were on Democracy Now talking about
this. And it was interesting because you do when you watch
this just as a quick analysis. Greenwald and Scahill are not
going to get along. No. They're two different kinds of
personalities. Greenwald can't stop talking. yak yak, yak, yak,
yak, yak yak. When you play a little bit of the of the clip
that is coming to Rogers versus Glenn Greenwald clip
Devki
for the hearing ended, he reportedly said quote for
personal gain. He's now selling his access to information.
That's how they're terming it a thief selling stolen material is
a thief. So the head of the House Intelligence Committee,
your response? Well, first of
all, Mike Rogers is a liar. He's outright lying when he says that
I or any other journalists working on this case. Okay,
I gotta stop. This is not what Mike Rogers said. He was very
smart about it. And this is now being twisted. He never said I'm
not defending the guy but we played this clip. He did not say
grant grant Greenwald stole This he said if someone steals
offences
stolen That's what she said
that's not exactly what she said and and now I
know she knows she was she doesn't say Glenn Greenwald in
that clip to have her you can back it up and listen again
because she read from the from the transcript insinuate
something which is not entirely true and Greenwald he's the liar
he's lying right now for the hearing
ended he reportedly said quote for personal gain he's now
selling his access to information. That's how they're
Turkish she
said something else after the hearing ended he reportedly said
so she has nothing that's just made up stuff. That's not even
from the hearing.
A thief selling stolen material is a thief to the head of the
House Intelligence Committee, your response? Well, first of
all, Mike Rogers is a liar. He's outright lying when he says that
I or any other journalists working on this case, sold
documents or fence documents. The one thing that's missing
from his accusations is any evidence because none exist and
I defy him to present any but that's what Mike Rogers does to
he is he just lies and smears people with no evidence. But I
think the more important point than the fact that Mike Rogers
is is a pathological liar is the fact that this is part of a
broader campaign on the part of the Obama administration, as
Jeremy said, to try and either threatened journalists that they
will be criminalised or outright criminalise them by prosecuting
us. For the journalism that we're doing. It comes in the
context of this coordinated campaign to call us accomplices
by President Obama's top national security official,
which is another thing I do want to point out. No one has
actually called Glenn Greenwald and accomplice. No one has even
insinuated that journalists are accomplices, I want to I have
listened very, very carefully. And these guys are way too
small. But what
to you? Yeah, but I don't care how carefully you listen, this
is what the insinuation is, I disagree. This is the point to
trying to make to the American public that these guys are part
and parcel and you ask people, is he a traitor? Or a
whistleblower? That question alone implies something bad,
something bad is going on with these people, and they're
obviously accomplices of some sort? I mean, I'm not buying
your argument here at all. I don't know how you can defend
these guys. I'm not even though they're not saying Glenn
Greenwald? No, I they are saying
they're saying, Sorry. They're saying they're not saying
journalists were accomplices that has not been said once. And
I'm not just FEMP and say, I'm defending the fact. John, I'm
not defending I hate bill,
you're in defended all you want. And I think is you're right.
They didn't specifically say that. But that is just parsing
what what their implications are not true mentioned, Joe.
Well, no, no, you're the context in which the accomplished is
mentioned was made was in the context of FSB, Russia being a
trader, not in the context of giving documents to journalists.
I'm sorry, that's just not the context in which it was said,
even though I agree that this is now being used that way. And for
specific reasons, but that is not the context in which that
specific thing was said it was in the context of Russia selling
to Russia, and China. And that's the context of the accomplices
not journalist. I'm sorry. That's just fact. That's all.
So you don't say so that just the stuff you played in the last
show, where we're Rogers was implying that is not without
using Greenwald's name. He was going out of his way to imply
that Greenwald or one of these other guys should be arrested.
Yes, he
was. Well, then
what are you talking about? Because
I'm just talking about facts, John, that's all. I'm just
saying. That's not true. This is two separate instances. What
what he was saying what Rogers was saying he was making a
connection between selling stolen goods and stolen
documents. He did not say he did not say anything. What he
implied was obvious, was obvious. He did not say what Amy
Goodman just said that, allegedly, there's no transcript
of that. I never heard that. And I'm saying that the accomplices
piece which was a different hearing was said in a different
context. It doesn't mean that it's not so I'm just saying a
fact get over it. I'm not defending anybody but fact. Not
a big deal.
Oh, I didn't even bring this little clip up for this purpose
of the for this purpose of debate. I know but that's why it
shouldn't be fine. Yeah. They never mentioned Greenwald. And,
you know,
a cop key is what I'm saying is Greenwald is pulling this
towards himself. And he loves it. And that's okay. But he's
wrong
was kind of the point of this clip. I know because I want to
contract As Tim was what what? No, you're the one that brought
all this other stuff up by Greenwell being the liar. He's
lying
right here. He's lying. That's all I'm just want to point out.
He's lying when he says that. What? What's What's his lie
that that Mike Rogers called him an accomplice, that is a lie.
That is not it's what he wants. And it was not what Rogers
implied in that in that instance that's all. Greenwald is lying
to him he knows it but he likes it. He wants to be he wants to
be targeted. Listen to it. Again. He's not saying that he
just says Mike Rogers is a liar is a pathological liar any hot
and he harps on it. Is there anywhere in there that he says
that Mike Rogers called him an accomplice? Yes. So the
hearing ended he reportedly said quote for personal gain. He's
now selling his access to information. That's how they're
terming it a thief.
So I'd like to know where this came from. Because I this is
nowhere
selling stolen material is a thief said the head of the House
Intelligence Committee. Your response?
Well, first of all, Mike Rogers is a liar. He's outright lying
when he says that I or any other journalists working on this
case, sold documents or fence documents.
The one thing missing, though he didn't say that we don't know
that he said that. But okay,
from his accusations is any evidence because none exist, and
I defy him to present any but that's what Mike Rogers does.
It's who he is. He just lies and smears people with no evidence.
But I think the more important point than the fact that Mike
Rogers is is a pathological liar is the fact that this is part of
a broader campaign on the part of the Obama administration, as
Jeremy said, to try and either threatened journalists that they
will be criminalised or outright criminalise them by prosecuting
us. For the journalism that we're doing. It comes in the
context of this coordinated campaign to call us accomplices.
That's what I'm saying. That is not factual. That's all
by President Obama's top national security official Keith
Alexander, two months ago, in his speech raised this idea of
selling documents when we did our first report in Canada with
the CBC, the right wing, Harper government attacked us as having
sold documents to the CBC. And so what you're really seeing is
the Obama ministration has been worse on press freedoms than any
president since President Nixon is James good all the former New
York Times national General Counsel,
you can stop him because he goes on for another hour. So okay, so
Scahill, which is the point I'm trying to make here. Scahill who
will not get along. I guarantee it over time, but I'll give it
six months, will not be able to get along with Greenwell because
Scahill is one of these picky guys who likes to throw out
little details and like you said talks too much and brings out
too much. This is an example of when Scahill gets back in there.
He's asked a question but immediately has to rebut
Greenwald before he can answer the other question. This is the
comparison clip Jeremy
to the J sock operator's account. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, wrong clip. One clip I didn't understand. Here we go.
Jeremy Scahill, if you'd like to expand on this, the Associated
Press has agreed to the government's request to withhold
the name of the country where the suspected terrorist is
believed to be because official said publishing it could
interrupt ongoing counter terror operations in later part of the
piece. It says one US official said the defence department was
divided over the woman whether the man is dangerous enough to
merit the potential domestic fallout of killing an American
without charging him with a crime or trying him and the
potential international fallout of Section operation in a
country that's been resistant to us action. Another of the US
officials said the Pentagon did ultimately decide to recommend
lethal action.
Right, you know, I mean, again, I mean, we haven't I haven't
seen this this piece yet. But you know, there are a number of
Americans who we already understand have been cleared at
some point over the past several years for being hit in these
targeted strikes. One of the My understanding is a guy named
Adam Gadon, who is basically a propagandist for al Qaeda is a
US citizen and we'll
just the comparison
is this your you playing comparison? Clip Scahill betters
Greenwald? Yes, I am.
That's the clip I'm playing doesn't even sound like him. But
that's him, though. We have another minute.
Doesn't this clip like I miss it labelled a clip. In this clip,
he actually identifies the guy that's going to be executed or
the guy that's under debate, which I thought was weird,
because nobody else has mentioned this guy. But he
doesn't say it's Adam.
He's saying it's Adam. Good Don. I thought he was already dead.
I don't think Adam good. Don is dead. I think he'd have been
mentioned since he's an American if he's had been killed by us.
Oh, hold on a second. I always thought he was already he'd
already been droned. Let's see. I have to consult the book. have
knowledge that would be very interesting. If it was him,
we'll play the rest of it because he does have a couple of
interesting tidbits occasionally
be running his mouth off on, you know, on videos around the
world, I have no knowledge of what he may or may not be
involved with. But we do know that the United States doesn't
have a problem with killing American citizens without
presenting any evidence against them. And I think that's the
real issue here. You know, the, the guy, the current guidelines
that the White House is using, still permit the killing of
Americans and non Americans on a regular basis around the world
using these drones. And I think that, to an extent, the White
House has started to believe its own propaganda about how precise
these strikes actually are, in part, because when they when
they get a cell phone, or they blow up someone's cell phone,
they're told up well, we got the target. And in the jargon, of
the operators who do these missions, you know, when you get
the phone itself, it's called the jackpot. And when you
confirm that you've actually killed the target. It's called
the touchdown. So how often are these jackpots being passed up
to the White House, as you know, touchdowns as confirmation that
they've killed the individuals in question, but I do think it's
chilling, that we live in an era where a man who won the Nobel
Peace Prize and is a constitutional lawyer by
training is streamlining and creating a mechanism for making
assassination including of US citizens, a normal part of our
what's called our national security policy.
So here's I agree with you that they will not last together. And
here's the reason why. Glenn Greenwald is in on this game. He
has been in on it from day one. He's been in on it since his
days being funded by Adobe at Salon, which is a complete Adobe
funded operation. He's been they must have something on him. I'm
sure. He sent his boyfriend purposely through London. He
leaks his own though his own news to BuzzFeed about his great
new venture with peer drive my car, the guy is in on it. And
when the script screws up, because believe me clappers not
he's, he's dumb, but he can he can read most of the script most
of the time. And even the Guardian is is drawing all these
conclusions and when when it doesn't, when the script doesn't
go right then Glenn will pull it towards himself. And this is
ultimately for the media shield law and Glenn Greenwald will get
a licence. But he's in on it. This guy is in on it. I'm sorry.
And I think ski hills not I think scale this that's his
problem that he's, he's real. And he's going to start messing
up and saying too much, which is exactly what happened when this
whole venture leaked. So called leaked through BuzzFeed by
Greenwald himself. He's in he's in on it. He's, he's in on it
with Snowden. It's, you know, call it whatever you want
limited Hangout, whatever it is, and it's all to to rein in the
NSA and cover up what the CIA is really doing. That's all I can
see.
Well, I'm not going to disagree with that because I think that's
been our premise all along. But Greenwald is so good at this the
thing that I think is gonna get, here's your here's the problem.
If you're working in this publication, I'm Scahill
Greenwell is really the editor.
He even has his own little section there on the masthead is
you get like everyone else in is is under news and he's got his
own thing, his own button.
So he's editing himself, which is always a bad thing for guys
who aren't do or got an agenda. And his the latest thing and
what I was getting out of these clips, including this one, the
the clip you want to play now is will Glenn Greenwald, come back
to the US, he is setting himself up as martyr. I mean, he's not
an idiot, he is setting himself up for a series of some sub, but
close to million dollar speeches on a circuit in the US that's
gonna He's gonna walk away with five plus million dollars on the
speaker circuit. I agree, because that's what everything
I've watched him do has been leading up to this. And this
clip kind of to me, gives it away that he's, you know, he's
got some plans ahead. Our lawyers,
they obviously want to keep us in a state of uncertainty. And
this recent escalation of rhetoric and accusations
obviously makes that concern, more acute at the same time just
on principle, as an American citizen, I refuse to be kept out
of my own country, for the crime of doing journalism. And so I
absolutely will come back. I'm going to pick the time to do it
when I feel like I understand the risks and am as protected as
I can be. But under no circumstances will I allow this
intimidation campaign to succeed either in deterring me from
doing the journalism I do or returning to the country of
which I'm a citizen.
Yeah, yeah, he's, you know, he's gonna get detained and you'll be
tweeting about it. He's,
he's be detained like you were.
Yeah, of course and like Laura Poitras says she's been and like
Jacob Appelbaum says he always is and all these people they
know. Yeah,
yeah. Where's the videos? Yeah.
So, Greenwald is just in on it, he's just in any swarmy smarmy,
he's icky. And that in that opening piece on the intercept
was shite. Nothing new with your, with your anonymous
source. Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not buying any of this.
So play this clip, because I thought this was the clip that
you already played. Kill a third American clip
on a piece that has just come out from Associated Press, us
suspect possibly targeted for drone attack. It's by Kimberly
Dozier AP intelligence, right, or just the first paragraph says
an American citizen, who is a member of al Qaeda is actively
planning attacks against American Overseas Americans
overseas, US officials say and the Obama administration is
wrestling with whether to kill him with a drone strike and how
to do so legally under its new stricter targeting policy issued
last year. Your comment?
I haven't seen the article yet. But that first paragraph should
be shocking to every American and yet at this point, I think
we're probably all kind of accustomed to, to it, despite
how radical it is, was that
your mind just wanted to say
that's good. You're messed up or you're mumbling.
The last one, I just want to play this because again, Scahill
is trying to one up this the thing is going to really cause
some problems. Scahill shows that he actually has some
connections, besides just a bunch of papers that Snowden
handed over to us. Greenwald,
a tarball from a recursive curl. Yeah.
So he keeps throwing this kind of thing. And this is the ski
hill, de ski hill track and whacking little thing tidbit and
he caught in this discussion, which went on forever, mostly
with Greenwald talking. Every time scale came in, he throw in
some, some, I don't know, uninteresting, but kind of
interesting. inside baseball, the Star Trek II guy. Fact, that
was, you know, he must know somebody to get this. And even
though it could be bull crap,
Jeremy to the J sock operators account, you quote in this first
piece for the intercept.org Brandon Bryant, talk about the
significance of his experience and who he is. First, just
just something to follow up on what Glenn says, you know, the
the, the teams from the NSA that are involved with this programme
are called geocell geolocation cells. And their motto is we
track them, you whack them, meaning that the NSA will find
these individuals and then the military or the CIA will
actually conduct or carry out these hits. And that's the other
question that we're talking about, about the relevance for
people in the United States.
Yeah, this is not new. By the way. We already heard this. This
is all old news.
Yeah, well, he's not gonna let Greenwald blather on for hours,
right? With no facts, just bitching and moaning, which is
what he does. I know if you've listened to Greenwald. There's
actually nothing
he says. And then he's on the satellite. And when someone you
know what, there's always that satellite delay and he'll be
talking so I'm going to talk and then you're going to pretend
like you want to, you're going to go up, Mr. Mr. Greenwald.
Okay. Okay, here I go. So, yes, and of course, we've been named
accomplices and clappers an incredible lie, and everyone's
just a big liar. And that's how he does it. Have you ever
noticed that
he raises his voice
to shout over you on the satellite delay?
He's got to stop doing that.
We actually have to find some examples of that. Oh, we've
played examples of it where we were laughing. I know but we
didn't think of it in those terms. He just likes to be on he
just likes to Yak. Yeah, guy is a chatterbox. Yes,
it's exactly what he likes to do. And so someone sent me the
guardian. And so here is clapper called on Snowden and his
accomplices to return the documents the former National
Security Agency contractor took and now the guardian of course
wants to know, rectify, though, clarify this. And clapper
Spokesman Sean Turner clarified Director Clapper was referring
to anyone who was assisting Edward Snowden to further
threaten our national security but it's it's it's drawing the
attention to himself as what he does. And he does that through
his incessant yakking. And it's also horrible. Yeah, it is.
Absolutely. If If it really was and everyone loves Glenn
Greenwald resolve where was everybody on the day we fight
back? What happened there? That was February,
the day after it happened me
too. The day we fight back and of course the reason is that
Wikipedia and read it and Google and no one participated. You put
a little banner because they really don't want to stop.
What's going on. That's what's happening. This was supposed to
be the big O. This was supposed to be SOPA SOPA PIPA two
well, it wasn't I don't even know who was behind it.
EFF I think was the main No, they
gotta Well,
it was supposed to be Silicon Valley. It was supposed to be
here we go. Here at EFF Demand Progress. ACLU Reddit credo
Greenpeace web. We want thought works. Duck Duck, go Mozilla
Tumblr. The Wikimedia where was everyone shutting stuff down
like the last time they didn't do it. Why? Because they don't
really want this to stop. That's why the day we fight back.org.
It was I
went to an event, I went to an event last night. I got out of
the house and went to an event. It was supposedly they said that
denote can't do any reporting on this, although that you could
tweet about it, which I figured well, this is the same thing
doing a podcast. So I can report on it. But the but all the data
is publicly available. So as Richard Richard Edelman, the
head of the large public relations company, the largest
Edelman, public relations company, his name is Roman came
out from New York to present this thing, which is the annual
trust survey results. And it's actually I've set you up with a
link to the slide show, because you can get most of it from
that. But it's about how various public's trust or distrust their
own government with a list of all the countries that are
highly trusted and the ones that aren't by their own people. And
then there's cross references, how many people trust other
governments and if we don't trust the Chinese to do business
with them, or the Russians, and it goes on and on. But he's been
doing this for 14 years. And the one thing that really showed it
to me, showed up as the most important thing that I learned
by listening to this, and especially listening to somebody
give up power or giving PowerPoint slides and talking
about his little different than just looking at the slides,
because they will point things out. It began when he first
started doing this, and it's just been growing the most
trusted source of information. Laval just asked you, what do
you think the most trusted, the most trusted source of
information? Where does it come from?
And this is in the United States for American citizens or for
this actually
turns out to be worldwide, but it isn't the United States
profound.
The most trusted source of news?
Yeah, if you got if you got some news coming, which is just your
guy across the street, they're tweeting something isn't a
broadcast news media is a TV, is it? Howard Stern?
I would say the most trusted news is a worldwide CNN.
Now, what is it? It is none no news organisations. Okay, take
news organisations out and now give me one Twitter know, the
most trusted source period of every and this is you when you
think about it. Because of the way we've noticed this on the
show, but we've never actually seen any data about it. Or NGOs.
No.
Oh, yeah, of course. Yes. Non Governmental organisations. Yes,
of course. Of course, like Amnesty International Human
Rights Watch all these state department funded operations.
Yeah.
And it's until you see the numbers and realise that Oh,
because it is obvious just the way you reacted to it as the way
I reacted to it when I saw it. And it said, Yeah, this is the
whole idea. This is why these things are so popular. And this
is when we start when we start breaking them apart, we find the
usual suspects.
This is exactly like Mother Jones, and ProPublica which is
the same thing. So and at all of these non these nonprofits, you
can say I think NGOs is almost a misnomer, because people don't
even look at them as NGOs of well, it's a nonprofit
organisation there for human rights. I mean, obviously
Greenpeace is
not an NGO is a is an inside baseball buzz term. It is a term
Yeah. Nobody calls them NGOs.
Now they call them by what they are Human Rights Watch. Well,
obviously they didn't nonprofit Amnesty International profit.
Yes, of course. They've been doing this for years, obviously.
Yeah. What we noticed on this show is that because they're so
co opted, they're co opted that
Southern Poverty Law Centre, Southern Poverty Law Centre,
another great one.
It's Edelman spotted this first spotted this trend and it's
growing, by the way, but he first bought it in in 14 years
ago, which would be the year 2000 or so when he started doing
these presentations. And I think what happened is that because
the people that are at this presentation is a real weird mix
of public relations folks and journalists and CEOs. It's kind
of like a weird
up. How did you get into what happened there?
Yeah, well, one, yeah, it's more stories to be told. But somebody
gave me said, you, you can come and then they told me late. And
so you know, I didn't realise it. But they're not supposed to
be anybody reporting on this. And I said, Well, reporting on,
I will report it. I just want to get the facts. And I, you know,
what's there? And then I went to and I said, and my response to
that nobody can report on it was, what's there to report? I
mean, they already put the slideshow out in the public
domain, which is available, and you can anyone could just Google
it and get it. There's nothing to report really. And so I
thought that was kind of weird. It was just like, gonna make it
seem more secretive. It's bullcrap. But this the engineer,
so I figured when they started spotting this, you know, 15
years ago or so? That's when the CO opting began. Yeah. Because
the smart money's sitting there saying, Hmm, we can't seem to
get our message across as a company. We can't seem to get
our message across as a government agency. And by the
way, the government numbers are down in the toilet for
believability that nobody just did his don't believe anything.
The government says the worldwide public. There's like
14%, the large numbers ridiculous. But so what you do
is you take a look at this, and you go, I got it. Why don't we
just create these crazy because there's 1000s of these things by
and we find one link to another, you know, we all connect right?
All these the head of the other one, and this is and they just
get a lot of government money or corporate money. And then they
tell this corporate story through the NGO and it works
like a champ to public lapsit. I saw this as a media.
I saw this firsthand when in 1996. Reebok was my client of
the company think new ideas. And we built plan@reebok.com. And
you may recall at the time, and of course, there were bulletin
boards, and the internet was just kind of exploding. People
are learning that they had a voice and all over the Reebok
planet reebok.com site people saying yeah, you know, you guys,
yeah, you use like child labour to put together your stuff. It's
all kit children are dying of your glue. And they were really
freaked out. And I don't remember who there. It might
have been Edelman. They're big enough to hire Edelman, but they
made a sizable donation to human rights now. I didn't know that
outfit still exists. And human rights now put together a
delegation and they went down and they all checked it out and
everything's out good. And we took pictures and some videos,
we put that on the web and, and little kids looking all happy
with no glue on their hands. Then human rights now took care
of it. And that's just another one of those bullcrap
organisations. Unfortunately, a lot of them don't. There is
some, not all of them some, some actually do some good things
under now.
Ah, well, the other little trend that kind of got my attention.
Even though I knew this, I kind of knew this, but I didn't know
the numbers or see it in action. They had a series of slides and
they did a bunch of studies on if you say you're a company, and
you're trying to get your message across who is the best
person within that company that can actually get people to
believe you Bano? Is it that would be closed. But that's
actually on the list. But it's not it. It's not by No, it's not
the CEO. It's not the public relations company. There's a
whole bunch of things. It's the
guy on the factory floor with a hardhat. Yeah, yeah.
Right. Yeah. It's the employee II. So the idea is, so we can
see this coming down Broadway. In fact, I think a lot of this
stems from what Adam Curtis did when he did that documentary
showing that the news source, the news sources are going to
the man on the street. Yeah. This is an extension of that
where you were you just had us. Right, right. Right. Exactly.
And you say what do you think happened? I don't know. But it's
bad. Wow. And this is a news report. So we're doomed here.
The only Bullet or gun to this podcast is one of the few things
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the Ministry of Truth is becoming even smaller now as
Comcast is going to acquire Time Warner Cable.
I think this is quite good or bad for you.
I think it's bad for everybody
Yeah, I have time is it good or bad for you? Does your quality
of your connection
um it's not just that it's it's who who is the gatekeeper now
Comcast will pretty much what what do we have left if Comcast
and Time Warner Cable charter charter small though they're not
that big or they
actually tried to attack they're the ones who triggered this this
purchase? Yeah, they were
they offered $130 A share I believe. And this whole thing is
this is this I would strongly advise our our administration to
not allow this to happen. Ya know, how silly am I? And the
only thing I care about is is the conductivity because all
we'll have well, Austin has an interesting town for this.
Comcast is competing against AT and T AT and T is competing is
they're really trying to jump the gun on Google's fibre thing
which is apparently coming this year. And they're offering their
Giga maximum fluc them luck and they're doing it well because
they they've got all Austin celebrities kind of musician
types and people you'd recognise with crazy hair. Oh, there's
that guy with the dreadlocks? Yeah, I've seen him play at the
market on the corner. Seriously acids in some models that Mickey
is actually used for some photography so it's their local
Austin people and they're doing a good job but man that's all
we're gonna have kind of AT and T and Time Warner slash Comcast
I guess and then whatever Google comes up with but Google is dead
won't really be fully rolled out for years to come before it's
all over Austin.
Isn't they'll sell to somebody else? Yeah,
but the whole thing is, you know, that's what I'm worried
about this about the internet. I'm not so I don't give a crap
about the television.
Yeah, you have one gatekeeper. You can only subscribe and even
get a connection if you only watch NBC 10 That's pretty much
what it comes down to see How they can get away with this. All
these conflicts of interest and monopolies positioning is
ridiculous. I
don't think they care.
No, they care if they were told no. Yeah.
So the President took his pen and phone campaign on the road.
Which is very interesting. What he's doing. This, by the way, is
what Barack Obama does best. He loves going out with a message,
something simple, and communicating that to the
sheeple. And he did something. There's a lot of mind control
going on. So this is really, really quite interesting. Where
he so we had an executive order, he already announced this in the
State of the Union, he was going to raise the minimum wage of
federal employees and contractors, I believe, to
$10.10 an hour, the 1010 rule, which I guess is put in because
it's easy to remember. And this is so Atlas Shrugged what he
does here, where he's going to connect a great company being
Costco, to working for the government, because they pay a
lot and they care about you, and they'll keep you employed for 20
years or more. This is this is true mind programming going on.
And there's another little gotcha in here, which is just
hilarious. To show that anyone who applauded and laughed at
this is so out of touch with reality.
And, you know, when I was over at the Costco store, I was mean,
folks would start it off as bull crap.
When I was over at the Costco store, I was meeting folks who
wash register, and they start at the cash register. Okay. Hello,
Mr. President, when you started Costco, you are not at the cash
register. That's that's a premium job, dude. You do not
start at the cash register, you start stacking, which is a
dangerous job. So you're wrong.
You know, now we're in supervisory positions.
Oh, the supervisory positions. I'm supervising. You had been
there for 20 years. And you could see the kind of pride that
they had in the company because the company when you start
talking like this, that's right. That's right. Wait until you
hear what he says.
When did this happen? I don't remember this two years ago.
Yeah.
Well, he had different that was different. This is
over now. He talks like this. He talks like George Bush. No, it's
a little more there's a hipster thing to it. You got that? I
don't want to Oh, you got it. It's kind of an up talk with the
back with a backflip.
cared about them. I even received a letter the next day
from a woman who saw my visit on TV she decided to fly a job for
Costco.
Oh, okay. Let me get this straight to the woman sitting at
home and she has no job and she sees you on TV and went I think
I shall apply for a job at Costco. That seems like a great
place
you're gonna get a like a board seat or something on Costco This
is ridiculous.
But to insult the millions of jobless Americans who I think
stand in lines five deep to get a job at Costco opening the door
for people and to say some lady just saw him on TV Oh, I'm gonna
go get a job over there. There's so many jobs it's really really
insulting.
She said well let me let me let me limit limit limit eliminate
her job at Costco
I can't Why Why did I mean I apply apply anywhere else?
There's plenty of jobs
across the country owners of small and large businesses are
recognising that fair wages and higher profits go hand in hand
for the bottom line
okay. Nice. It's good for the bottom line is which is exactly
not see let me see more expenses good for
the bottom line got as America's chief executive Oh, the here
he's he's as he's the runner of the corporation as the CEO of
the of the United States of the Gitmo.
I agree. So while Congress decides what it's going to do,
and I hope this year and I'm going to work this year and urge
this year that they actually pass a law today I'm gonna do
what I can to help raise working Americans wages. So
do you hear the the shield in the back trying to get everyone
going? That's pretty fun guys, I
get one of those in the studio and then no one did anything
and it goes again.
Raise working Americans wages. So
today So remember now you've just heard how Costco is so
great people are running to go work for them, because they pay
more. And now
so today I'm issuing an executive order requiring
federal contractors to pay their employees a fair wage of at
least $10.10 an hour.
These are obviously the people who are going to get this raise.
This will make a difference for folks. Right now there's a
dishwasher at Randolph Air Force Base in Texas.
Now this is where he gets a little messed up, because
there's a lot of numbers on the prompter. And it's very
complicated to read all them when you're excited.
Megan $7.70 $7.76 Now 776 Now,
you can just see how it was in the prompter. Someone did 776 Or
there was it there was no decimal or something was wrong.
And he couldn't figure it out. 777
may have been it may have been written also like they'd like to
do. So it was 776 and he just ploughed through it. So he got
to the second part of seven, seven in the in the read and he
said wait a minute, just said this
was on a second line. That's right. It was 770 says sepsis.
77 said was something in our
Sentinelle 776 Now there's a fast food worker at Air Andrews
right down the street, Megan $8.91 an hour. There's a laundry
worker at Camp Dodge in Iowa making $9.03. Now making once I
signed this order starting next year, as their contracts come
up, each of them and many of their fellow co workers are
Oh Torian and it ended there. I got bored
as their contracts come up with a sign that doesn't you just
have to go to that immediately. No, I mean, is there contracts,
what kind of contract we're dealing with here? I don't know
who's making minimum wage signing this contract?
Yeah, sounds a little sketchy, doesn't it?
You know, I think he doesn't know he ad libbed that this is
like he doesn't even know how it works.
I think he means when the contracts come up of the
contracting corporations. They're the contractors, and
they're so Okay, you're right, you're right. So it's 1010 An
hour starting January first 2015. And then beginning January
one 2016. And annually thereafter, an amount determined
by Secretary of labour, the amounts will be published. Oh,
that's interesting. I didn't see that part. They're going to
start at a regular increase rate. What is your view, John on
on a minimum wage at all? Do we actually have a federal man
federally mandated minimum wage? Is that does that exist at all
in America? I'm unclear if that state
was a state priority because we have in California that is 11 or
12 bucks. As we speak, it's going up and especially in
different cities have a minimum wage and then go down minimum
wage. So federal
contracts in California Well, it'll go down for them. They go
down to 1010.
State Trump's federal I did see I don't should
I don't think that there is a there is a federal man federally
mandated minimum wage. It's all by state. That's that's the way
I've always understood. We
can look it up. Keep playing I'll look it up.
There's nothing left to play on that. No, I found it. But is it
I just found it to be what is this application two tipped
workers for workers covered by Section two of this order who
are tipped employees. The hourly cash wage must be paid by an oh
this is interesting. Oh, this is very this is a hidden man.
Section three application to tipped workers for workers
covered by Section two of this order who are tipped employees,
which means you make no money except for tips. So I guess
that's if you're working at the word the dishwashers making nine
bucks and you're just working for tips pursuant to 29. US Code
two or three T the hourly cash wage must be paid by an employer
to such workers shall be at least $4.90 an hour. Oh good. I
have a US Department of Labour site it says the minimum wage
there is one federal minimum wage provisions are contained in
the fair Labour Standards Act 725. Many here's how they get
around the state Trump's federal listen to this. I love this
wording. Many states also have minimum wage laws. Some state
laws provide greater employee protections, protections and
better price, employers must comply with both. So if the
state says is going to be 11 bucks, you have to comply with
that,
too. Why didn't the President comply with both? Why didn't the
President just make the federally mandated minimum wage
1010? Why is he a pussy was wrong?
If I think this was passed by Congress years, I don't know why
maybe just as done by the Department of Labour. No, I
thought that's what he was trying to do.
No, this is only for federal workers. So this is why you want
that sucks. You want to go work for the government? This is this
is the whole totally stinks. It should be for everyone. No, this
is only for government workers.
The federal minimum wage provisions and maybe this is
only for government workers. It is only
for government workers is what I'm telling you $10.10 an hour
for federal
NYCHA, but maybe the 725 zone for government work. Oh, that's
possible. Yeah, that has to be the case. That's the only read
that would make sense what he's up to visit to employers now to
look or read this thing over. Okay, no. Screw him.
Yeah, I'm not thinking this is a very, I am I have my problems,
not very aggressive for a big talker. Now I
have my issues with the Oh, the idea of a minimum wage, I think
it actually hurts. You know, I'm not an economist that people
can, can and will argue. And please just don't send me email
about this. I don't need to hear your you know, I get enough
grief from John on the show. I don't need to hear about you
know, the you know it better. Unless you're Paul Krugman, and
I'll argue with you. If you have a Nobel Prize in Economics, I
think
like the minimum wage, I don't think it's a big deal. Everybody
makes a big stink about it. Why don't you see the Republicans
Oh, how am I going to pay my illegal alien Mexican person to
clean my yard? No, that's no use a contractor and they'll screw
the guy over.
No, I like markets setting the setting prices. I think that
makes more sense. You know, I'm pumping my own gas. And I'm, you
know, there's less service everywhere, which I which is
because there's less jobs because you don't have college
kids working for tips anymore? Or just running around? You
know, checking your oil. Wiping down the your windshield does
that anymore? No,
because it's the last time you in Oregon, by the way. It's
required by state law that you cannot pump your own gas or
check your oil. Right? Well, it has to be somebody has to come
out and do it for you.
Yeah. And jobs programme. Yeah. And I think that minimum wage
hurts a lot of job opportunities. I have I'm not an
economist. And people argue about this all the time. But my
gut tells me that that's that's kind of the case.
Yeah, you would be that way. After listening to Tom Perkins
thing, I can see where you're coming from
very interesting that you bring that up seeing as Scott Adams
completely agrees with me. He wrote it, he wrote a very
interesting piece called nerds are taking your lunch money. And
he's, it's in the shownotes. He even had to say because probably
people like you were yelling at him warning. This blog is
written for a rational audience that likes to have fun wrestling
with unique or controversial points of view. It is written in
a style that can easily be confused as advocacy for one
sort of unpleasantness or another. It is not intended to
change anyone's beliefs or actions. If you quote from this
post or link to it, which you're welcome to please take
responsibility for whatever happens if you mismatch, the
audience and the content. It's exactly what happened to me.
And well played, well play. And he said, Scott Adams sad at me.
Yeah. Why don't you just want to play the douchebag thing in a
minute me?
Is Perkins sort of a dick. Yes, but I have some respect for the
fact that he's not trying to be a phoney and based on what I've
read online, most of his critics are ignorant dicks. That seems
one level worse than being a well informed dick. The Nazi
analogy wasn't politically correct, nor wasn't brilliant
choice because all analogies cause fights. And when you throw
in some Holocaust references, you're just asking for trouble.
My verdict is Perkins point about escalating contempt for
the rich, potentially leading to violence is legitimate, in large
part because the media contributes to economic literate
illiteracy, and highlights the bad apples in the top 1%.
Totally agreeing with my point about Perkins,
okay. I'm glad that he had well, you know, he's worth millions I
can see why he would do that. Likes guy nice guy.
Oh, yeah. Well, of course. But yeah, this is also happening in
I guess the people were protesting the Microsoft shuttle
in Seattle.
I didn't know they had one. Oh, yeah. See? Well they throw eggs
the big thing is San Francisco now is to throw eggs at the bus.
Really? Yeah, that's like a big deal. So if you're if the buses
in your neighbourhood I saw one late yesterday, by the way in
San Francisco just sitting there parked illegally, it seems to
me. But anyway, they Yeah, supposedly when your bus goes by
you you find out what the times are and then you toss eggs at it
as it goes by
chicken that's right. familiar theme brought back this the war
on unborn chicken.
Well, in that case, I guess it is. So here's I have one clip
here. I got a couple of miscellaneous clips. I want to
get out of the way. One of them's kind of disgusting. And
the other one is just silly. You want disgusting or silly
dealer's choice?
Well, let's start with silly. I've said it before. I'll say it
again. This woman needs to get go to a speech coach. She needs
to get out of the office and do some work. I if I had it. I used
to be a big fan of Janet Yellen. I thought that she was really
great. But I hated the Fed
at home. If you were a fan of where you're part of the Janet
Yellen fan club.
Yes, I was. I was one of that was the treasurer. And I never
heard her talk. That's the problem. She sounds like an old
woman from Brooklyn. It's just a really horrible, horrible speech
pattern that she has that she's neat needs to fix immediately.
My colleagues on the FOMC and I anticipate that economic
activity and employment will expand at a moderate pace this
year and next, the unemployment rate will continue to decline.
sustainable level and inflation will move back toward 2% over
coming years. Okay,
now what did you say? She sounds like what?
Sounds like an old battle axe from Brooklyn. Alright, so why
don't Long Island No,
no, man this that's not at all what this is. What is it? This
is this is an old Jewish lady.
Oh, here we go again. Yeah, I'm sorry. I wouldn't be Brooklyn.
That's why Queens Queens,
Brooklyn to could be there's a little Italian in Brooklyn, but
it could be queens. But when she said what talk like the Yeah.
Yeah,
gotta go.
She she talked for six hours. Did you want it? Did you watch
any of that?
I can never I couldn't even watch Bernanke when he was doing
these things. It's so dull. Yeah, as opposed to this story,
which I thought was interesting and for some reason rubbed me
the wrong way. burgers in France
now the Think of France Do you think perhaps beautiful
mountains beautiful beaches? And of course very important for me
beautiful food. The French shrimp famous for their
traditional steak fruit perhaps or a rich one gras. But what is
France his favourite food? Yes, it is the humble burger with
sales going up by around 40%. In fact, McDonald's says that
France is even its second biggest market after the US who
should own sell
meat on the griddle sauce on the burn a few letters, leaves and a
slice of cheese. The burger is ready in one minute flat. And it
has to be that many do you make every day like 5000 at lunchtime
this Paris branch of the fast food chain quick is always
packed. So vicious battle. It's
just a part of our lives now. Is there a fast food chains
everywhere good like traditional groceries.
It's just a part of France is food landscape.
The burger has well and truly conquered France in 2007. One
out of every seven sandwiches sold was a burger. By last year
that figure was one out of every two French people jumped through
almost a billion burgers in 2013. In the country where
gastronomy is King traditional brasseries are keen to tap into
that market and offer a better class of burger profits.
When we opened the restaurant, we tried to do a classic buried
menu. I said like people just kept ordering burgers, burgers,
burgers.
75% of French restaurants offer this quintessential American
dish, but with a French twist.
On those, I definitely prefer ordering them in a restaurant or
brasserie, that's where you find something a bit more original
thought the basic bargain you find them as chains but
something with a local church that data can come through.
It's far cry from the days The burger was denounced as Malibu
for bad food by free and activist farmers
okay
you didn't think that was horrible the horrible
development one and a half the APA sandwiches sold in France or
burgers? I don't believe this doesn't bother you
I don't believe it I think that would have anything that was a
native advertising for McDonald's i
don't know i don't believe quack quack quack Oh, is
that their that's their that is their kind of their thing isn't
it?
That was the one they slipped in and that was the advertisement
is possible. I just don't believe it. Okay, that's fine. I
don't care. You don't have to believe it. There was Did you
know that Holanda? Holland, Holland, Holland was in you
know, he went to a state one of the seven state dinners they put
on just the other day? Yes, I have the guest list. And then he
would you have you know who is at the head table then? Um,
Bradley Cooper. One of them.
Ken Erlich, who was gay was the horrible producer of all these
stupid award shows and needs to be replaced. Mary J. Blige.
Chrissy was the singer. Yes. She wasn't at the head table,
Christine Lagarde. I would say she'd be at the head table. She
was and Ahmad Rashad who is dating Valerie Jarrett. It's
true.
Yeah, no. Joke. I have a report Julia
Louie Louie Dreyfus, who was sitting next to Biden, I bet
because that's really funny. When you get the VT next to the
VP?
That would be yes, I don't think Biden was at the head table.
You have a report along the part one half a couple of
reports are with this first one is if you want to hear this to
short that well, that's actually too long. Here's the the long
was the part to play the part two, which is a little
discussion of who showed up. And there was I thought a couple of
surprises at the head table.
I've only been seven of these states or official visits during
the whole time that Barack Obama has spent in the White House. So
what this brings together is the great and good of this world,
all sorts of fascinating juxtapositions of politicians
and celebrities. First of all, let's get this out of the way.
The dress worn by Michelle Obama by Karolina Herrera, if that's
the kind of fact that you're interested in. But in terms of
the guests, we'll look at this Stephen Colbert, for example,
the comedian at the head table. He's the author of one of the
most stinging attacks on fossil Island. On his relationship
status post splits with Valerie travailler. He was put up at the
head table, the actor Bradley Cooper there as well, the likes
of the IMF head, Christine Lagarde, a lot of Cabinet
members as well. And interestingly enough, the head
of the NSA as well, Keith Alexander, now these state
dinners was the chance for a bit of joking around to show how
friendly the relationship really is between these two heads of
state. Here's a quote from Forrester alarm, speaking
directly to Barack Obama saying this. We love the United States
and you love the French, although you're sometimes too
shy to say so yes, it is a little bit dangerous for a US
president to get that little bit too close to a socialist
president. A little bit of dancing as well. In the end, by
the way, the White House delegations and the French
delegations, all dancing a little bit in that room to Mary
J. Blige. By the way, she was the entertainment part of this
state dinner here in Washington.
It's good to be the king, man.
How can we don't get invited to these things?
I got an invite from Hillary Clinton once. I still have the
invitation. And the invitation. It went to the empty as MTV
days, it went to the MTV offices and some bitch sat on the
invitation. And oh, like three days after the event? Oh, yeah,
this came free with the office. Yeah, so I didn't make and of
course, we want you. You stand them up, but loved there at MTV.
Oh, no. Once you stand him up, then you never get asked back
again.
No, you didn't even RSVP. That's why Yeah, you're Vitia dickhead,
the
First Lady requests your presence. I didn't I didn't
respond to the First Lady. And you know now, persona non grata.
Was
it for a big dinner or something?
I don't remember fundraiser. No, it was some. I'm sure it was
some internet related thing. You know how that goes.
You know, you got to meet the Queen,
which was also in it when she relaunched her website that's
that's when I was invited there. Oh, yes. This is here we have
this American champion has something to do with the
Internet. So this is him put him on a list.
So that's how I got the reason it seemed online when they gave
a couple of speeches at the beginning and have the clip but
I could just summarise quicker. He made the point he says one
good thing about our two countries is that respect to
tell me what you think this message was. We respect each
other's sovereignty. Put Keith Alexander at the head table,
I think I think that also may be a little bit about the Central
African Republic. There's, it's a little confusing what's
happening there, the French are supposed to be in charge, and
they're not really doing a great job. And then we have Christians
now killing Muslims reportedly.
That's the key here. That's reportedly, I have a couple
clips on that instance, we were talking about play us in Africa
with French is interesting, has several military
bases. So looking at the map, then just reminders where they
propagate so far, and where they may cooperate in the future.
Well, we cooperated a
lot in Mali, because the US had just set up a drone base in
neighbouring Asia when the French to come a jihadists in
northern Mali. So those drones help France with its
intelligence, US also helping with Air to Air refuelling that
was very important. More recently, in the Central African
Republic. In that conflict, we've seen the US provide
African forces with big transport planes, C seven teams.
In terms of future hotspots, one place that we definitely need to
keep an eye on is Southern Libya. And last week, a
government minister in Niger air said that this was an the new
breeding ground, essentially, for jihadists. So I think we can
expect that high level French us group that you mentioned in your
introduction to take a very close look at Southern Libya.
Okay, hold on a second. Now, Niger air, which isn't that
isn't that the Djibouti base in Niger? No, no, no, no. Djibouti,
Djibouti has its own country. I'm sorry. Where's new shares?
That is that West Africa?
Yes, West is West. Yeah, it's West. It's part of that whole
group of West African countries, right, Ghana as
well. So they have I've had not heard a lot about that drone
base.
I didn't hear about that was the first time I heard about it.
Here's here's a report I have about
the Djibouti base, which is huge.
The Americans have got an enormous and extensive
intelligence and satellite intelligence gathering
operation, very much centred here in Djibouti, there is
within this camp, and this is a huge sprawling camp. It's got
helicopters that fly long range missions, they're able to refuel
using those long pylons out the front, they can fly deep into
Somalia, they can even get their planes as far as the borders of
South Africa, Mozambique, South Sudan, they even deployed to
South Sudan recently. But essentially, what they're doing
is they're cooperating with local countries in the region,
countries like Kenya very much, of course, which suffered the
Nairobi attack, training their soldiers to get to join Amazon
and go into Somalia, and carry the fight out for them and
giving them that technical expertise. This is my third
visit next to this country. And unlike in the surrounding
countries, I've detected very little resentment against this
camp. Now it is probably going to make Djibouti a bit of a
target. The foreign minister said we feel we are a target for
Al Shabaab. Yeah. He said
there was there was another one of these congressional scripted
hearings with clapper and who else? Couple other these guys.
And they were talking about the terrorism. And of course, we
always are told that al Qaeda has been decimated.
But depends, right? Well, that's exactly right. convenience of
the assertion, right. So here's.
Here's Jay Johnson of department. He's our new
Secretary of Homeland Security. Who kind of explains how we're
weaselling out of this, with all these fuzzy words,
counterterrorism efforts in both the Bush and Obama
administrations, we have put down kind of poor leadership on
the path.
He's reading a prompter, by the way, so I'll Kaijus core
leadership on the path to defeat but
the threat has evolved.
The threat has evolved.
Since about 2009. We saw the rise of al Qaeda affiliates,
such as Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which has made
repeated efforts to export terrorism to our homeland, our
government working with others must continually divide these
affiliates that they take a place to hide training and from
which to launch terrorist attacks.
Okay, so what he's saying is my job is safe because we have all
these affiliates who are training and we'll send them to
the homeland here. That's America to kill people. Inhofe
asked the question specifically at clapper who was supposed to
know everything about all things intelligence keep
hearing these things that different people the
administration is talking about. Al Qaeda is on the run on the
path to defeat. If you look at this chart up here, it depicts
that the al Qaeda and its allies have a presence and are now
operating and it's to me it's just the opposite of that. What?
This yes or no, each one of you is kinda on the run and on the
path to defeat No, it
is morphing and, and franchising itself, not only here, but other
areas of the world.
Yes, it's going to be quick. In France. Oh, kinda on the quick
franchising everywhere, John
Bell, McDonald's, look out.
Then clapper gave us an incredible new number. How many
terrorists do you think there are out there and of course,
this would all be in kind of in the African region, which is
where we're, you know, we're moving out of Afghanistan. I
want to hear your Poppy thing as part of this. How many
terrorists do you believe think that are in in the continent of
Africa
30,000.
Looking back over my now more than half a century and
intelligence I've not experienced the time when we've
been beset by more crises and threats around the globe. It is
long, my list is long. It includes the Scourge and
diversification terrorism loosely connected and globally
dispersed to include here at home, as it is amplified by the
Boston Marathon bombing. And by the sectarian video war in
Syria, its attraction as a growing centre of radical
extremism and the potential threat this poses now to the
homeland. Let me briefly expand on this point, the strength of
the insurgency is now estimated at somewhere between 75 to
80,000 on the low end, and 110 to 115,000 on the high end,
we're organised into more than 1500 groups of widely varying
political leanings I love
this 1500 groups the these guys set themselves why don't
we just start firing but there's that many of them they must be
in large order you should be able to just drought drone by
the hundreds Yeah. You should at invasion in the kitchen. The
share
is very interesting. It seems like there's like if I just look
at the map it looks very brown. Just like no green not doesn't
look like an attractive place to be.
Nor does Libya where do you think the best place to go out
of their way
to you know, I'm I did this little thing in the newsletter
about the the ease in which you can move the poppy fields to
parts of Africa. And there's lots more room. And so I'm
looking at the Central African Republicans who put everything
I've ever seen in your watch. The news is just some guy
walking down a dirt road and a bunch of shanties, and it's just
dusty. And as everything's all that's missing is the Tumbleweed
and you go and you look at Central African Republic,
agriculture and you start Genda and you just hit the images and
you get this a lush green, it's always raining there's plenty of
water. It's more like Myanmar in terms of you can grow poppies
and don't have to worry about about irrigation like you would
in lots of other parts of Africa. And it's just like, this
image that we have we West Africa is not the Sahara Desert.
No, in fact, if you look on Google Maps, you'll see this car
is beautiful grace under Chad shod and it's green. The only
greener piece would be the Republic of the Congo.
Right which looks right that's where you get your jungle Green
Kale. It looks like kale
looks at the probably is kale, a lot of kale. Well, it looks to
me they got to grow straight and they grow pretty much everything
in the Central African Republic got strawberries and all kinds
of stuff. It's just it's it looks like you could have a good
meal there. If you find somebody could cook.
We really just need to what is frustrating to me is this
continuous loop and I think people are getting very
literally physically ill from what is happening the way we're
being inundated with these with these messages nonstop. And wood
we're killing Americans and we have everywhere. It's everyone's
crazy and they're all terrorists and hundreds of 1000s of them
and When will someone say hey, why do they want to kill us?
They don't like our way of life Adam.
They don't read our freedoms. Yeah, they don't like our
freedoms
already
made this claim. Yeah, but I think it needs to be we
don't like our freedoms. They don't like our way of life. They
want to kill us. They don't want to take on our way of life or or
quote unquote, freedoms, they want to kill us. Okay, that
makes sense.
It's, well, I just wish someone would revisit the question from
time to time would help people rationalise what is happening.
It's not in anybody's interest. No, there's no money to be made
by asking that question over and over like you just did No, no, I
understand no profit in it. And
JF Carey made a weird comment during the Munich Conference,
the security conference, where all the, I guess security guys
go hang out. And it was interpreted very strangely and
aggressively by mainly by Israel. You see, for
Israel, there's an increasing de legitimization campaign that has
been building up. People are very sensitive to it. They're
talking about boycotts and other kinds of things. Are we all
going to be better with all of that?
Now, the way this has been interpreted by a lot of Israeli
elites and leaders is Hey, shut up. Carrie. Do you? Are you
threatening us with a boycott, but that's not really what's
happening. And I've been following a couple of our
producers who have is Israeli, Israeli cool.com and a couple of
blogs. And there have been some, some interesting boycotts from
musicians. Scarlett Johansson is boycotted some soda company. She
was promoting their drink. Roger Waters, I think is is being very
politically outspoken. And what's really happening is
explained here by Ross, you
say about Scarlett Johansson.
She's boycotted the drink company. She was promoting
SodaStream I
think it's noticed stream she's not working for him anymore.
No, no, thanks. So I think she said oh, I because and there is
there is talk factory
in the Palestinian areas, although
apparently, if you went back to the 67 borders, it would still
be within those borders. I'm not quite sure. But there is some
talk of a boycott. And that's really what Kerry was referring
to. And he's he's really on Israel side, which is what's
very interesting, as Robert Wexler explains,
is former Florida Congressman Robert Wexler. He's president of
the Abraham Centre for Middle East peace,
whatever that means. Sounds like another NGO to me,
Congressman, good to see you. Good morning. You know, this
first popped up on my radar, I get a lot of Israeli newspapers,
we get a whole thing. But this first popped up on my radar ha
rats did a story about this during the Mandela funeral about
saying that there is fear in Israel among the Israel business
community that there's a tipping point that what happened to
South Africa in the 80s could be globally what could happen to
Israel? Now in 2014, and 2015.
That's really interesting. By the way, I think Scarlett
Johansson quit Oxfam or some other thing.
But now here's what happened because I faxed it a bunch of
clips about this. We never played Scarlett Johansson went
to work for SodaStream for a huge amount of money, then then
they get a bunch of flack from the Palestinians, because I
guess SodaStream is making this some of these devices in
Palestine areas, and they don't want the money. I have no idea
what the real basis was. But then Oxfam got all bent out of
shape, because it was somehow anti Palestinian, and they're so
hooked in there. And she was one of the board members. And they
came and they said they asked her to quit and she quit easily
gladly and she left. So the Yeah, that's the social, she's
still working for Sodastream. Okay, so this sounds like it
would make sense.
What is what has happened? I lied, like what would Wexler
just said that there's now this noise that I'm sure it's all
NGOs. Everyone's getting all upset and saying, Hey, we can
turn Israel into what South Africa was with apartheid, which
would mean the whole world against Israel. Are they are
they Is there something to this?
Well, of course there is because large European institutions,
financial institutions, in particular have begun to adopt
policies that are punitive with respect Israel, and Europe is
Israel still biggest trading partner, Prime Minister
Netanyahu made an extraordinary speech recently at the Davos
world economic conference in which he outlined this this
remarkable innovation nation. I mentioned it because after he
was done with the speech, he then did an interview with a
European journalist, which I assume the Israeli government
chose, and all the journalists wanted to talk about was Israel
settlement policy. Prime Minister Netanyahu went back to
Israel called an emergency cabinet meeting to discuss
what's happening in Europe. That's what Secretary Kerry was
referring to, and what's important, three people on this
earth For the last four years have done more to stop the
boycott effort and mitigate its disastrous consequences.
President Obama, Secretary Kerry and Secretary Clinton,
interesting. That's our special relationship. But it seems like
Europe is having none of it.
Oh, wow. Did I lose you? John? Hold on. I think somehow we we
blew up. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We have to. And we're back.
Okay, good. Yes. You were saying which we understood nothing.
I didn't get the clip throat start breaking up. And you're
gonna have to? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. So just tell me just to
summarise from
essentially, the only three people who've done really tried
to stop a boycott of your large European countries and companies
are Obama, Kerry and Clinton and Hillary Clinton. But I didn't
know that Europe was also know that this was really a big deal.
I didn't either. Don't have to think about what Oxfam is up to.
Well,
these are all these organisations, man. It's tough.
Very, very hard to you can't be I don't think you can get a
there is Oxfam USA, I can get a form 990 from them. But it's
very hard to do anything I know, it won't really don't want to
help. No,
no, this whole NGO thing, which we mentioned earlier, is is is
scandalous. I mean, there's no way that we can get a handle on
a lot of the things going on until we get a real handle on
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scenes, the only
thing you can do is you can follow the money you can see
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It's the NA NGO, in a NGO.
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we've got to do. My goodness there is a It's just it's hidden
one after another these days.
Well, I'm telling you, I think we got to start following the
hipsters. The
hipsters. Yeah. The hipsters misters.
Is this a clip? They described themselves as Muslim hipster
women. And then hipsters movement has been making waves
online. Social networks are abuzz with pictures of Muslim
women who coordinate their hijab the Islamic veil with colourful
and trendy outfits. Hipsters trend became something of a
talking point after this video was released online entitled
somewhere in America. It features young women across the
US having fun skateboarding in high heels to the sounds of JC
clips intended to challenge the stereotypes surrounding Islamic
bale often associated with oppression and to show stylish,
edgy and fun loving women can also practice the Muslim faith.
Webster Shara a common philosophy and describe
themselves as at the forefront of the latest music, fashion
art, whilst continuing to seek inspiration from the sacred
texts of Islam.
Where do these ministers live?
I have no idea. I've never seen one Muslim hipsters, the
hipsters, they all wear four inch heels, five inch heels, all
these women, and let me just check and the veil, you know,
and they're all looking cool. So I have the clip, I think my
favourite Clip of the Day even though it's not Clip of the Day
by any means. But you know, you wonder why in the Central
African Republican these places, why, you know, these, these,
these troops probably aren't accomplishing a lot. The WTF
clip is what this one is, you hear this clip, and then you
say, Oh, I get this. It's just too ridiculous.
We'll French and African troops do have a mandate from the
United Nations to use force if there's direct threat to the
civilian population. So if, for example, a Muslim is being
lynched by an anti black mob, they could step in, when they've
been asked, why aren't you doing that? They answer well, we can't
be seem to be taking sides.
Okay, because of what religion
you get to straight. You're a cop. And you're in downtown
Oakland and guys are shooting at each other. What are you going
to do? You're going to shoot at one of these guys maybe to make
him stop. But you don't want to take sides? Is this too much of
a commitment? Why don't take sides one minute and the next
minute somebody else is too much work? Don't take sides.
We really don't want doing there. We really don't
understand how this works at all.
What are they doing? They're they're just standing around. I
believe we all know
there was a warning. Let me see. Embassy warning in Kampala. So
that's Uganda. They're expecting a terrorist. See, threat
information indicates a group of attackers possibly in place
ready to strike targets inside Kampala in February or March.
That's a coincidence. Yeah. Why our economic hitman happens to
be headed to Uganda for some reason Damn. Yeah, it's
we do not have you know, we're really missing we just are
missing more people who understand what is really
happening in Africa. And I don't even know if people who are in
Africa and work for the State Department. I don't even know if
they understand. This is a very no whole thing is messed up.
Yes, I would say that's true. I have a question for you. Okay,
your play this clip, the Syria barrel bomb clip, and then I'm
going to ask you something.
All right, here we go. Now new video from Syria appears to show
the moment a barrel bomb has fallen in the northern city of
Aleppo hacktivist said the images uploaded online or of the
bomb landing just after two other bombs exploded nearby
columns of fixed smoke seen that rising in the sky where the
bombs were dropped before local people carry the injured to
safety. Okay
all right. I've noticed I didn't pay full attention to this when
it first cropped up so I missed it. But what is a barrel bomb?
When did this barrel bomb meme show up? And what's got to do
with anything? I mean? Are they throwing these bombs? Are they
using giant sling shots? are they dropping him from planes?
What are they?
I don't know exactly. I do know that three of them exploded on
was it the day of the opening ceremonies I think of the
Olympics. I think he's one that when they were when they first
came into the lexicon What do you have on barrel bomb? Do you
have any research on it? Because I know I
was asked that's what's asked says right there ask Adam
because I figure you'd know I Don't know. All I know is that
all of a sudden barrel brown barrel bowl is a barrel bomb is
that worse than like a one tonne bomb dropped from a plain sight
barrel.
Interesting barrel bomb, there must be something to it. There
must be a reason for it that weren't that we're not figuring
this out. Are Syrian barrel bombs really worse than
weaponry? There you go Newsweek asked the same question. And
let's see what news we came up with. It's oil drums filled with
explosives dropped from helicopters. Really? Huh. I
think that there's so there's there's a couple things going
on, which are to be noted. Particularly it comes to Aleppo
and Homs. Now, both of these places which are to north of
Damascus, and West, both of these places are major
intersections for the pipelines. The homes Tatuus oil pipeline
was blown up, February 3. And then right after that, they
start evacuating people from homes, which is not a lot of
people to 1000 people or whatever. I feel there's there's
something about the strategic location of this particular when
we note that Turkey has now opened negotiations for the to
take, let's see Iran natural gas via Iran's natural gas via Iraq.
It would seem like they are trying to take away some of the
business that was supposed to go through that those actual
pipelines in Homs and Aleppo. None of this just it's not just
a bunch of people hurl and barrel bombs, if anything, that
barrel bomb was probably to distract from what's really
happening. does another thing to get NGOs all pissed off about
oh, they're throwing barrel bombs.
It's, it's I don't know, I just found it to be completely
baffling.
No, I agree with you.
So I ran into this group, or this was a report on one of the
again foreign source about these these kind of weird African
hipsters called Sacco that are all addressing clownish in some
native form and, and this report I just thought was kind of I
don't know what there's another weird distraction, some another
trend in Africa, Africa is going to be by the way, a big part of
our news coverage in the next year,
no doubt about it.
Now they are called last SAP which stands for the Society for
party goers an elegant people sounds fun, doesn't it? Well, in
fact, it is a social movement centred in the Democratic
Republic of Congo, which was created 30 years ago and now has
some 50 clubs despite their modest means. They spend
hundreds on shoes and clothes, and they're now turning even
more heads than usual, taking pride of place in a popular
television ad.
These are the famous supper or the Society of elegant people.
Initially under authoritarian ruler Mabou. wearing bright
clothes was a gesture of defiance that he has later the
movement is no longer political.
You have four rules you don't become a sapper if you were born
one you will honour soft like your father and mother. He will
never betray, stop whatever the situation may be, and you will
die as a sufferer. Like starve us. First rule of fight club is
you do not talk about fight. Club is you do not talk about
fight club.
Have you been editing again, John?
To a sound is like
less sounded like Fight Club. Yeah.
Another thing we have to
I feel like distraction. Yeah, I'm going to be spending a lot
of time today and tomorrow. Really going as deep. We have a
couple of people you obviously we have our economic hitman in
Africa. I have as one person who's involved with the legal
profession in Kenya. We have
one of our nights in Accra. Right? He never checks in
anymore. Well,
I got an interesting note from producer Patrick about the
Panama Canal. And a Nicaragua as well as Costa Rica, which this
was very interesting. We, of course, keep our eye on the
Chinese and what they're doing. They are without doubt, a source
of much chagrin for the imperialist leaders of the
United States and France and the United Kingdom. We need to kick
the Chinese out of Africa and take over and just get
everything we can Patrick says first time I heard about the
Nicaraguan canal was a while I was living in Costa Rica which
borders on Nicaragua to the south. And apparently, Daniel
Ortega is he's he's back. He wasn't good. Yeah, he
was President always been entertaining.
So he's been President in the 80s. Of course. This was the
whole Iran Contra scandal. He was a part of that. But he was
recently elected president again in oh six and reelected in 11.
seems to be pretty comfortable in his position. But here's
what's interesting. Nicaragua has threatened to take Costa
Rica to international court to dispute Costa Rica's claim to
Guana Casa de which is a province that shares the border.
And what's interesting about all this is that the Chinese are in
Costa Rica. They've built a national stadium, they've built
some roads donated a bunch of police vehicles, which our
producer says is hilarious because they actually have a
Chinese flag on them. And they're driving around in Costa
Rica with a Chinese flag on the police cars. A few years back in
the grandiose scheme by Ortega, the canal started get some
backing, there was talk of Japanese backers for a while and
out of nowhere, sizeable backing from the Chinese. And what he's
saying is, it's very interesting to see that we have US companies
in Costa Rica, which I always thought was very us friendly.
Intel, HP, Microsoft, but the Chinese are taking over. And I
think when we don't we we've taken our eye off the ball
there. And you do not want the Chinese to have control of Costa
Rica and Nicaragua and building their canal there. I think this
is a mistake.
Well, I don't think it's a mistake as much as is an
oversight oversight.
Yes, oversight.
I don't think they mean to be doing that. They're just You're
right. They're distracted in one way. Hey, look at this. And then
why are you why are they
what? They're what? I don't see nothing.
Ah, well, that is looking into. Now who does this come from?
Patrick, he doesn't want it. He lives there. Okay, he wants to
remain a little anonymous. We
need more reports.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll be sending it just to the Chinese. It's
just okay.
Yeah, well, they'd love it. There would be a good little
landing spot for them to be perfect. I mean, they got
California targeted, but they're not building roads here.
Although that would be useful
wouldn't. Hey, you know, what, if only they would get would
make you happy?
Yeah. One of my little roads over here is now a bunch of
potholes. It's not even a road site is jarring to drive down
this little street.
Looking at today, bang, bang,
do I need new struts?
Looking at the Turkish situation. Photographer Tula
Gulin has been challenged by the prime minister of Turkey says
hey, if you're such a such a brave guy, why don't you come
home with foreign political party and run against me like a
man? But that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.
No, that's crazy talk. A writer
of the Hizmet Movement, which is the Gulen Movement, that's
another word for it. His met, has come out and said, Yeah,
we're pretty much all part of an anti government plot to
overthrow overthrow the current government. This guy's name is
one of these. This is part of the problem. What is his name?
It's yen, my hoop Ian. And he's been writing for some Gulenist
publications. They have a lot of them. They just opened a Dutch
language magazine in the Netherlands and Belgium also run
by by the Gulenist. So, you know, that's, I don't know if
we'll be hearing from this guy much longer. But he said, Hey,
yeah, well, this is really what we've been doing. And of course,
at the same time, we have something that we'd love to talk
about here. And we can just pretty much wait for the NGOs to
show up and start talking about how draconian it all is. In
Turkey
riot police used tear gas and water cannon to try and disperse
protests in Istanbul. The crowds were demonstrating against plans
for new legislation, which would give the government even more
control over the use of the internet.
Now, I thought this was interesting. I have not been
able to find a copy of anything of what the actual law is. But I
liked the way the prime minister of Turkey explains it. This by
the way is it's just fireworks this protest. There's no There's
no Molotov cocktails or anything. It literally they're
just throwing bottle rockets and you know, it looks very simple.
vicious smoke from fireworks that tear gas fills the air as
demonstrators and riot police battle it out on the streets of
Istanbul, water cannon are brought in to try to disperse
the crowd. But the protesters are not going anywhere. They're
curious about a new internet law that's been approved by
parliament. If it's ratified by the President, internet sites
can be blocked within hours without a court order that also
force internet providers to keep the browsing histories of users
for up to two years and make it available to the authorities.
Now when I heard this well, when you hear what they're doing,
what is the first thing that comes to mind? What sounds like
us? Yeah. Oh, I thought it was yeah, no, this. This is this is
Turkey like, oh, this horrible draconian measures like that's
pretty much the way it works here.
The Turkish Prime Minister insists that these regulations
are the same as the US and several European countries that
already have
exactly. Keeping your browsing history where we can shut down a
website in seconds.
Well, it's the way you if you do it with drunk drama makes it
sound worse. Yeah,
go ahead with fire with fireworks. That's what you got
to do. And the only other thing I have is we had to and this is
all this very underreported, at least I didn't get a lot didn't
find a lot on it. About the Osama bin Laden pictures
apparently being destroyed by the Pentagon. What was
interesting about this report, which I believe is brought off
on the CN ns. It's the report. Of course, I have no video of
everything. But they have these great animated pieces, which
they still had on file of how this attack went down. And then
they they cut to a Zero Dark 30. And meanwhile, and if you really
just listened to the report. It's you get you hear what
they're trying to programme you with. But it really the
programming doesn't work unless you're watching the video where
you're seeing this scene, which may not even have happened
because all we have is a movie, literally a Hollywood version.
And we have an animated version, which shows a little stick guys
getting out of a helicopter and walking around. We really don't
know that any of this happened at all. And the thing that
annoys me to no end is they talk about you BL and not OBL I still
think that there's two different guys or something. Oussama
code for something you don't know about. And we
don't know. But But the idea here is to paper over the
destruction of evidence. And just you know, do you know what
we don't need to see that anyway, because it could just
incite violence. And it's so well produced cover
up. Brian Todd has been investigating this part of the
story. What are you finding out this is the cover up
is actually this news report. This
information just getting out two and a half years after the bin
Laden raid a Freedom of Information Act request, finally
bring it to light this sensitive email from the commander of the
seal raid saying to subordinates if you've got the photos, get
rid of them, gentlemen, all photos should have been turned
over to the CIA. If you still have them, destroy them
immediately or get them to the blank, whoever that was still
classified. If these records were indeed destroyed, there may
have been crimes committed. Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch
believes it shows a cover up the possible suppression of key
documents from maybe the most famous raid in military history.
There's laws that prohibit the mutilation and destruction of
government records. It shows contempt for the law, and it
shows contempt for the people's right to know the Pentagon
wouldn't comment on those assertions or the McRaven email.
A spokesman for Admiral McRaven wouldn't comment, nor would the
CIA or the White House. But in the days after the bin Laden
raid, President Obama told CBS 60 minutes why he believed the
photos of a deceased Bin Laden should not be made public.
This is very good. By the way, this piece and us again, you're
seeing the visuals of Hollywood fabrication and then boom back
to this it is
important for us to make sure that very graphic photos of
somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as
an incitement to additional violence.
It's not I you
know, I really love how we can have photographs of a GI pissing
on corpses.
Well, there's no exciting incitement there.
I didn't and I didn't see anything anything really in any
increased violence anywhere. But it's just brings you back to the
bull crap that we've been fed and I'm glad that brought
brought this back in his report. That it is makes no sense
whatsoever that we're not allowed to see this proof but
it's not going to be papered over clear
whether any photos of In London were actually destroyed. Put any
of the seals depicted in the movie Zero Dark 30 have taken
personal photos. CNN military analyst General James spider
marks says it's likely they were ordered not to by their
commander are using it. It wouldn't be surprising if they
shut them down.
We don't know. They said, Okay,
I want to make sure you don't have something that's hidden
away someplace.
Why? Hold on a second is the style. Yeah. Why would Why would
that happen? Why would there be why?
What would be the point of that of having something hidden away?
No. What would be the point of command order not to take
photos?
Because it's not true? Yeah, that's
the point is is bullcrap. Yeah. They wouldn't say that these
guys are on their own when that once they're in there, and
there's no commander barking orders. They're just say do the
whole thing was scripted, go come in there and grab the guy.
A guy below. I'm sure we're taking photos a guy.
These guys have GoPros they got everything.
Now the yeah, there's a movie the whole thing? I'm sure. Well,
yeah,
the movie is called Zero Dark 30. And that's what you're
supposed to believe you say? This is how it works.
And they said, Okay, I want to make sure you don't have
something that's hidden away someplace.
But Mark says the seals would have designated some member of
that team to take official photos and video for posterity
and training purposes. He believes that if Admiral McRaven
ordered photos destroyed, he was trying to protect operational
secrets, sources and methods and trying to protect American
troops in dangerous areas. Well,
I love the sources and methods. Okay, first, we crashed the
helicopter. This is our our highly secretive stealth
helicopter, which looks like it couldn't fly in a million years
with all that metal hanging off of it. Yeah, we crashed that.
And then we'd go in and we'd go get him. He's watching the TV
satellite. And we shoot him in the head and we don't take a
picture and then we dump him in the ocean real quick about
photos
of bin Laden buried at sea. could those be made public?
Well, Judicial Watch says that it has asked for that as maybe
some sort of compromise. If you're not going to release the
photos of bin Laden himself, at least give us those
thoughts be on the lookout for a sheet being dumped into the
ocean photo,
the Obama administration that has steadfastly said it is not
going to release those it is very concerned about incitement
to violence.
Now now listen to both wrap it all up. afraid it
would incite a new generation of terrorists, right would be
outraged by seeing those pictures. Alright. Thanks very
much, Brian, for that.
That's right, it would incite a whole new generation of
terrorists if that were to come out. So let's just not do that
wasn't
one of our original theses on this at the beginning when it
happened. Oh, actually, even before it happened, because
there's a lot of reports of already being dead. Yeah. Years
before who was this was not an assassin. Yeah, it was not an
assassination because that SEAL team was was an extraction team.
It wasn't a assassination team. We isolated that piece of
information, right. And this was just an extraction of an of an
asset because we've always thought as possible. This guy
was a CIA plant in the whole operation that was you know, he
was ended up leading, and this was just getting him out of
there. And maybe and the guy has shaved, you know, to give him a
shave and a haircut and a little note, new nose job and boom,
he's a professor someplace at Georgetown as we speak. We
discuss that as a possibility. Well, the
thing that interests me is why has no one put in a Freedom of
Information request for the live helmet cam video that everybody
was watching in the situational rallies, everyone was in
the situation 1000 of these requests
I had never heard of one
you know I'm there I can guarantee there's been there's a
whole bunch of guys that do nothing but just crank out these
freedom of information requests. They get the same form letter
back we can't do this because of one thing or another. You never
get the information doesn't mean it works. Some guys have waited
a decade to get some stuff the old crap from the 60s because
it's a bogus system. Yeah, you're not gonna get the helmet
cam. guy would have it'd be golden Bin Laden turning around
saying how long what takes you guys so long? Hey,
did you bring my m&ms? I love them. I love them with the
peanut said the best.
Right? You want
us to bring this device nods bushes, it says dialysis
machine. All right, the dialysis machine. Then, does a little
little tidbit that got lost in the shuffle.
Oh yeah. No, no, no, this is why even bother if people ask us all
the time. So you should revisit that and you know, yeah, he was
on dialysis in what 2000 Nine I think, no, wait, no way earlier
than that. I'm I'm crazy. No, no. Like
it was right after 911
I thought it was even before 911 with no, I
think maybe maybe it could be. I'm a little fuzzy
on that. But yeah.
And there's all the memory, all the ridicule from the media, how
come they can't catch a guy who's six, five and has to bring
a dialysis machine everywhere? He goes, Yeah, you can't find
that guy. Yeah. And then that went away that that went by the
wayside. Somebody in the in the office of propaganda went, Oh,
man, this is getting on our nerves. Can we get them to stop
talking about the dialysis machine?
Okay, let's see. Seems to be troubling Bitcoin paradise,
which is, I don't know if you've been following that. Yeah, a
little bit, it appears that you can. You can DDoS something and
then the Bitcoins that will look like it wasn't confirmed and
taken out of the wallet. And then you can do it. It seems
like a flaw in the system.
Right, which will destroy the system. Yeah.
Which if that's not fixed very soon, that will the system is
kind of destroyed? No, no one's paying out anymore. And the
current price according to what is it? Mt. Gox? I guess there
are $617. But you know, we've always kind of been waiting for
this to see what happens and looks like, here it is, you
know, here's here's the issue. But of course, you know, I don't
know, the I'm reading this from Forbes, who claimed that we have
a subscription app. So I don't know. Who knows.
You know, Forbes is not the best source of this stuff.
You know, this is?
I don't think I was loaded with native advertising. Yeah,
I don't think I was asked or you were asked to comment on this.
On this Forbes piece, which was about podcasting. And I guess
the crux of the article was you don't need ads to make it in
podcasting. And it was a huge bit about Patreon.
Which I think it was like a native ad for paid. Yeah, it
seemed like a native ad for Patreon. And then we were kind
of lumped in down at the bottom saying, you know, other people
sell subscriptions and apps, which we have, which we do
neither.
I might add. No, we don't sell anything. No. So the show
Yeah, so I found that to be interesting, the same time. Both
you I am the gay Crusader. We're and I got I hate this. We're
asked by Russia today to comment on to come on Skype and comment
on the LGBT laws in Russia. I'm declined to this. No, I'm
declining this. I'm not going to like that you
are going to do it.
First of all, Brian, the gay Crusader should be on he wrote
the white paper. And if he's nice, plug the problem, here's
what I don't like. So the producer reaches out to all
three of us independently, not on one email, but all
independently. And it's for an edited piece. And you know, we
want to talk to you for 30 minutes, and then we're going to
make like, No, I'm not going to do anything as edited. If it's
not live. I'd not interested. This is how they screw you.
Yeah, they can do that. Yeah, but I want no part of that.
Okay. They just should be Brian, the gay Crusader. Anyway, that's
what it did on right. I thought they were gonna talk to him. And
you
know, but I Why would I do that? Why would I be why would I talk
to them for 30 minutes when he wrote the whole white paper? All
I'm going to say is, yeah, I like that. Right? Yeah, exactly.
I had it translated and looked like it was bullcrap. He's gonna
make the points. He's, it's his piece. Yeah, I'm just sceptical.
I
don't wait, where's this word? Where are we? Where's this whole
process? Hopefully Brian
is going to do it. But the producer keeps bugging me and
I'm not so I'm like, I really don't want to do this.
Then well, when they asked me I said you are the man. Now you
didn't I sent you i BCC
you or even better than that you'd like we're available for
comment. All different all types of issues.
Yeah, well, no, I like the show. I know. I know.
I know. All right, we should definitely get out of here.
There's a lot to a lot of stuff I got to catch up on. Let's see
what else do we have I fulmen. On Sunday show more cultural
Marxism. More gas stuff to look at. I am but we'll be looking at
the Cybersecurity Framework, which has just been released.
The background briefing which I only got a man Don't you love it
when you get a document and it says Hi, good morning, everyone.
We're delighted to launch the Cybersecurity Framework just so
you know, all the information on this call is embargoed. This is
the government. Does the government get to embargo
information?
That's interesting. This call will be good question I have
that's a good question. I can't answer
just as a reminder of the information, this call is
embargoed until that event begins.
Well, I think they do that with speeches. They give you Obama
speech in advance, but you can't like put up some black guy and
have him read it in advance of the speech. As if he was Obama.
Just some random funny idea. That's what what happened. Yeah,
the onion, I could just see him doing it. All information is
attributable to senior senior administration officials on
background really, so that you don't even hear who they are.
But this this cybersecurity framework, this is what we've
been waiting for. And this is how this truly is the the
fascistic government and work how commercial companies and the
government will be working together to share your
information. And the standards are being written by NIST. And
the framework is going to exist of standards and practices to
help organisations understand, communicate, and manage their
cyber risks. And that reminds me wow, that's kind of interesting.
It reminds me exactly of this douchebag.
intelligence work takes place within a strong legal framework
legal framework operates under the rule of law, and are
accountable for it. In southern countries, the secret
intelligence is used to control the people in ours and only
exists to protect their freedoms, protect them, you
gotta
love it, man, the framework, the framework, the core, the
profiles, the tears, reinforcing the connection between business
drivers and cybersecurity activities. Oh, yes. I'll be
pulling that apart for everybody. Why don't you be
working on John?
I'm gonna take a nap. Work on the vinegar book. Maybe go up to
Leo's of Petaluma. Today check out the local news feeds and
then probably nothing I don't have any plans for Sunday. Oh,
no, but okay, you're gonna be on the twigs work on the poppy
story a little more. There's more to this than meets the eye.
I'm totally convinced that Africa is going to be the now
that I saw this report about the central called the the saw hell
or something, which turns out to be a strip all the way across to
Africa, which has a bunch of illegal drug activity and
criminality. And this is weird strip, and it matches perfectly
in actual climate zone. So this climate zone matches a criminal
strip of Africa that apparently is uncontrollable, and I believe
this may be the area where they're gonna put the put the
little puppies.
Alright, that was coming to you from FEMA Region six in the
morning. I'm Adam curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, which I believe is FEMA
Region nine, although it could be changed. I'm John C. Dvorak.
We'll be back on Sunday
right here on no agenda. Three to one. Adios MoPhO boruch.org/n
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