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It's Thursday, June 5 2014. It's time for your chemo nation media
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Levin Buzzkill.
Man, how many did you watch? I only watched about three but
that's 10 hours. That's 10 or 12 hours right now the problem
is okay, here's what happened. And this is gonna be bad.
Do we need bad music? Do we need do we need? Let me say? Yeah, I
wasn't thinking about that. But
it's bad music.
Yeah, that's yeah, that is kind of bad music. Yeah.
So I so I'm watching the big screen. You know, they're trying
to push an amendment through to knock down the First Amendment
of all thing. Oh, yeah. That little ditty? Yeah, Democrats.
Yeah, I'm
doing your music here. I'm doing it.
I'm convinced that they're clinically insane at this point.
So I'm listening. I hear Jeff Sessions go on with it. He's got
a really good little, little spiel. In fact, I may have a
clip of it. You have sessions there, I think so.
I remember it coming through on my Google Drive. No way. But I
don't have sessions. I have Jeff Sessions. Yep, got that. Play
this.
I just left. Simultaneous trip with SA and environmental
committee hearing in which one of the witnesses that professor
said he was severely damaged as a result of his questioning of
some of the global warming arguments that are made out
there. I think we're in a period of time when speech is being
threatened more than we would like to admit political
correctness has often run amok.
Where's this guy from? Sessions? What the state Alabama? Right.
Well, I like what he's saying already.
And it's fundamental. It's actually this
is this is his his little talk at the first amendment.
Amendment of the amendment. This is in the Senate. Yeah. Is in
the Senate. And, and so anyway, play the rest of it, because it
refers to two things that Americans
be able to express their views without intimidation, I think
the great democratic, did you
just do a line of coke I have? Was that? Yeah, that
was bloody combination. I think the great,
a lot of second, I'll be right back.
The Democratic Party that was so classically, liberal, is now
becoming the party of the progressives. And progressives
tend to believe that little things like tradition,
procedures, rules, even sometimes I think honesty can be
subjected to the agenda that they believe is best for
America. And I'm telling you, I think this is serious. And I
feel it repeatedly in our country. And in the debate that
we're engaged in, I just think tradition, and constitutional
order should be respected. And in the long run, we'll be better
off. And we don't try to muzzle somebody who happens to have
money, and to keep him or her or this business from being able to
express views that they think are important to the public, and
maybe even their own interest.
Okay, so I hear this and I say, Oh, and by the way, I want us to
stay on this topic before we actually let's I want to do
three or four topics today, they're gonna be a little over
the top. It's very bothersome to me. That's why I'm grumpy,
grumpy,
I wouldn't mind reading the actual Senate Joint Resolution,
and I think I sent you a link to it, I have it, it's in the show
notes already. It's very simple. It's very simple. I'll just read
it to you. There's two parts to it. And actually, there's four
parts, but two parts, one for federal one for state. And here
it is, to advance the fundamental principle of
political equality for all and to protect the integrity of the
legislative and electoral processes. Congress shall have
power to regulate the raising and spending of money and in
kind equivalents with respect to federal elections, including
through setting limits on one, the amount of contributions to
candidates for nomination for elections to or for election to
federal office, and to and this is the egregious part, the
amount of funds that may be spent in support of or in
opposition to such candidates. And that is so broad that if I
decided to go Open uh, you know, just give some money to some
kids to run around and hold up signs that could that could be
legislated by Congress. Right? That's a problem.
Well, that's what everybody who's got any sense knows. Yeah,
this is a big problem. But if you listen
to the opening, let's listen to a couple of these things on my
list. And the only one
I have is the one I thought mattered was cruise.
Cruise. I got a couple of cruise things. I did long cruise
dialogue.
It's five minutes, but he explains everything in that five
minutes. That's how you go with your float.
Yeah, let's but it's funnier though. I have a funnier
scenario the way it goes. Let me start off by getting the thing
off to a bang with the Harry Reid.
This is all about
I had this. See, this is fantastic. Let me just give it
to him upfront, okay.
Is there any member of this committee who really believed
the status quo was good? Although he opposes billionaires
using their own money to run for office, sir McConnell now
supports billionaires ability to fund today's campaigns and
independent expenditures. In fact, he even declares today,
quote in our society, he's spending his speech, close
quote. How could everyday working American families afford
to make their voices heard? If money equals free speech?
American families can't compete with billionaires. If free
speech is based on how much money you have. My Republican
colleagues attempt to cloak their defence of the status quo
in terms of noble principles. They defend the money pumped
into our system by the Koch brothers.
I wasn't ready for I should have known I should have known as
president,
anyone to determine what the Koch brothers are ready for all
they have all these phantom organisations. They've got one
now now they got a new one on veterans. They've got one on
senior citizens another name. They must have 15 Different
phoney organisations that they use to pump money into the
system.
This should be a song you got 15 phoney organisations
to hide who they really are. The two wealthiest men in America
wrong. Interested in there bottom line,
really did the wealthiest men in America and all of a sudden I
don't believe that. That for a moment is number
one. And he's been that way for a while. And Buffett I think is
too.
I had a very different look. Democrats had a very different
clip from read. Okay, play it.
In 1998. I had a very close election with John Hanson. We
spent about $10 million and we were allowed to do that because
the Supreme Court again had left an opening that said you could
divert money into the state party. And that money can be
corporate money to be any kind of money that can be used for
denigrating the other person or building the person who had the
money up.
So once he completed it here can listen to the complaint This is
the complaint is almost stepped on it is the final The only
thing
that was a bad situation I felt so unclean for lack of a better
word.
Unclean
What a dick. Well, while he's being unclean, I found this kind
of like performance art using these clips. Listen to this,
this is crews outline this is the clip crews outlines major
donors he outlines the major donors. They put a little this
get some perspective on this and some some honesty on this. And
then he also excoriates Reed for being a dick about the Koch
brothers. Now it's
interesting if you look at the open secrets website, which I
would note is a nonpartisan group
man does Cruz he's got a lot going for him but his voice is
not one of them. Oh my God. He sounds like he's talking that it
was clenched up butthole Yeah, he needs to work on that he just
didn't make sense. Yes.
Is there is his area addition is good and his. His points are
good in his in his stuff as well written by
that squeaky voice comes across as swarmy and sticky and icky.
You just want to get a job or something just want to get him
off for you. It's like it sounds like a slimy slug. Like
the top 16 donors to campaigns from 1989 to 2014 100% of them.
Support predominantly Democrats are on the fence. The top three
donors are act blue, which has spent over $102 million, the
American American Federation of State County and Municipal
Employees which has spent over $61 million and the National
Education Association which has spent over $58 million. Those
are the top three Koch Industries. We've heard so much
about their number 59. You know, there's a pattern in politics
where when governments trying to take the liberty of the citizens
away, they try to distract them with shiny objects. So we've
seen the Majority Leader repeatedly slandering to private
citizens, the Koch brothers on the floor of the Senate, there's
a rule in the Senate, that when one senator attacks and impugn
the character of another senator, you can rise on a point
of personal privilege. And I would note, there is
unfortunately, no rule in the Senate that allows a private
citizen whose name is being dragged through the mud by the
Majority Leader of the Senate for partisan political purposes
to rise on that same point of personal privilege.
You know, isn't there also a Koch brother that is that is
completely separated from two there's a third Koch brother and
he's like a complete Democrat?
I don't know. Yeah, I
think there is. I think there is like some guy who
knows that the main two Koch brothers, most of their giving
away goes to public public.
Yeah, exactly. Yes. They
the ballet and
the arts, the arts, fun stuff. Yeah. Good, fun stuff. The thing
I have, I think we should just take one second, because this is
so obvious for us when we read a joint resolution like this, or
bill or an amendment that was like, Well, why wouldn't you
want to get money out of politics or restrict that. And
while there's validity to campaign finance, and this is a
campaign finance, a joint resolution, in fact, it's called
the to hear it's a joint resolution proposing an
amendment to the Constitution. So this would be, you know, part
of the top things like, you know, like, freedom of the
press, and freedom of speech and freedom of worship, and religion
and, and right to bear arms. And all this, the against the, you
know, search and seizure, this is would be one of those, it
would be a big one. And it's a boon to the Constitution, the
United States relating to contributions and expenditures
intended to affect elections. But when you say, and they have
at both the federal and they're making provision for the state
level, that Congress, I'll just repeat it, it's important to
understand exactly what's being said otherwise, it's, you know,
a lot of people will try and shout you down, if this comes up
in conversation. And they'll say stuff like, that seems to work
for some reason. But when it literally says Congress shall
have power to regulate the raising and spending, so that's
how you raise money and how you spend it. And in kind
equivalents, blow jobs, hookers, anything like that, with respect
to federal elections, including through setting limits. So
congressional limitations on how you can how much money you can
raise or spend, specifically for the amount of contributions to
the candidate, which I think there's some validity to
regulating that but to regulate the amount of funds that may be
spent by in support of or in opposition to such candidates,
which would mean everything else that would mean me organising a
rally. Of course, they it's intended to slow down commercial
spend and advertising spend on television and radio and
newspapers and interwebs. But that would that literally would
and I hate saying literally all the time, but it is the literal
meaning that it would not allow you to speak above a certain
level of money.
Well, let's I do have a clip for another crew Am I
misinterpreting that?
That's the one that sounds like to me. Oh, no,
no, you're actually you're, you're you're downplaying it. In
fact, the way that if you listen to abrams's guy who is the the
Free Speech attorney that was there testifying, but so you're
not exaggerating? That is what I'm saying. might play that
clip. This is Cruz again. And he was really on his game at this
thing except for the guy who said his voice but play the
money is speech clip, then this is Ted Cruz. Okay.
The second canard that's put forth is money is not speech. He
shouldn't
use words like canard, you know, duck has nothing to do with it.
Like the word canard is not a good word. And it's not
Americans go would Yeah, well, if you want to communicate to
people that don't use French,
you do if they hire the Dvorak consoles, correct. avoori
Consulting, we could change. I would
turn him down. I'm sorry. He's beyond repair. I don't think we
can help him. But he does have
a good point. Here he comes
that's been repeated over and over again. This hearing I would
note, any first year law student who put that as his or her
answer on an exam would receive an F because it is obviously
demonstrably false and it has been false from the dawn of the
Republic speech is not just standing on a soapbox screaming
on the sidewalk. From the beginning of the Republic, the
expenditure of money has been integral to speech. Supreme
Court has said that pamphlets the Federalist Papers and Thomas
Paine's common sense took money to print and distribute, putting
up yard signs putting up bumper stickers, putting up billboards,
podcast website and wondering those requires the expenditures
of money. I guarantee you every person in this room if you think
about it disagrees with the proposition that expending money
is not speech publishing a book is speech. publishing a movie is
speech blogging is speech. Every form of effective speech in our
modern society requires the expenditure of money from
citizens
saps slang. Yeah, that's the whole point. Shut up.
And by the way, how can we didn't mention podcasting?
This is why the guy's beyond repair. He knows nothing,
because Nard Bonjour, John, oh, I'd made a canard this morning.
So sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
Anyway, so Harry Reid comes down and does his spiel. And then
Mitch McConnell does the follow up. I have a short cuz I think
this is short. I hope so. The Mitch McConnell?
No, no, this is seven minutes and 43 seconds. I can't be this
short isn't designed to only play until I say stop. Very
quickly.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Given how and credibly behead this
proposed amendment is I can't blame my friend, the majority
leader from wanting to talk about things like the Koch
brothers, or what I may know, a quarter of a century ago. I'm
going to confine my remarks at what's before us. And I want to
start by thanking Senator Grassley for an absolutely
outstanding observation about what the First Amendment was
supposed to be about. And at the very core of it, of course, was
political speech. Americans from all walks of life understand how
extraordinary how extraordinarily special the
First Amendment is. Like the founders, they know that the
free exchange of ideas and the ability to criticise their
government are necessary for our democracy to survive. Benjamin
Franklin noted that quote, whoever would overthrow the
liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness as he
put it, the freedom of speech is enough the first one
he goes on and it makes some good points but But what would
cruise again the guy he's the one who comes out with this,
that's the long speech I took just a little bit he made this
long play. It was very emotional is very good. I have the first
part and here's the here's the you have to endure this. This is
the bit cruise comes out and then he has to go to these guys
are coming in and out in and out doing voting someplace else.
Cruise comes in and then he goes out and then Schumer comes on in
excoriates him pretending to be talking to him. But he's not
there. But he's not there yet, but he's not there. For me. He
doesn't say he's not there at some point later. But at that,
but he's looking over as though he's talking to him. And this is
solely for sound, but not sound bites but video but
just just to get it on the news. And, and I I'm sorry.
Well, I was gonna also say at the very beginning of the
hearing, which was packed, packed hearing, there were a
bunch of people with signage, you know, brothers out there
basically. And so the news media there's about 25 camera guys
there and they all flocked into the aisles and had these people
hold up their signs and then shoot pick it up,
just to get that just to file it quickly. All right, it's good to
get that in. Alright, good.
But it's against the rules to have signage during the hearing.
And so they all put their signs away immediately and then, but
they may they're gonna
know what that is. That's a farce. So far. It's a farce,
which is just the beginning of a Konar.
Well, I don't know about the canard part. But let's listen to
the end of Cruz. Oh,
you don't want to play Schumer, you want to go straight to Khan.
I want to play Cruz first. Again, we're filming for the
motions. He's gotta go on this cruise part one, then we play
Schumer. Then we played Karthik. Alright, good. This amendment,
if adopted would give Congress the power to ban books and to
ban movies. And by the way, Citizens United was about
finding a movie maker who made a movie critical of Hillary
Clinton. Mr. Chairman, Ray Bradbury would be astonished
because we are seeing Fahrenheit 451 Democrats today. The
American people should be angry about this. And, Mr. Chairman,
the senators who put their name to this shouldn't be embarrassed
that they have signed up for repealing the Free Speech
amendments to the First Amendment that
they have the entire speech which I'll put in the show notes
that people can go listen to the whole thing. But I didn't know
that Citizens United was that that's what that case was About
I didn't realise that
there's also another explanation here that the guy what's his
name, though? One character from Utah, the older guy, he had a
little heat effect, we can take a little aside here and play the
this is worth listening to so we can get people straightened out
and Citizens United. This is the explanation citizen explained
Citizens United just quickly, and he asked these asking Abrams
and the other guy that testify about this,
his prepared statement, Professor Raskin says that the
Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United versus Fe C,
eliminated the statutory provision, quote, that kept
trillions of dollars in corporate wealth from flowing
into federal campaigns, unquote. I think that's a misleading
description of the case. As I read it, the Citizens United
case involved a nonprofit organisation, not a wealthy for
profit corporation and the case did not involve campaign
contributions at all. Am I right?
Yes, it didn't. It did not involve contributions at all.
And it left standing, the contribution section. So
also have we seen a flood of corporate wealth flowing into
federal campaign since a citizen United committed decision?
We have seen a lot of individuals getting money.
That's where the big money has come from. We have seen an
increase in the amount of money from what I'd call Main Street
rather than Wall Street. What we've not seen is precisely what
was predicted. We have not seen enormous sums, let alone
trillions of dollars from the biggest companies in America,
flowing into the electoral process. That just hasn't
happened. Oh.
Okay. Well, no. I've been misinformed.
You've been missing? Everyone's been misinformed. Now here comes
Schumer after the this is like the few testimonies after Cruz's
gone, Schumer steps into just to do this.
Senator Cruz says that we should be embarrassed about this
amendment. I'll tell you, Senator Cruz, I'm embarrassed
about how our system is distorted by literally now
billions of dollars coming into this system undisclosed
unregulated and unanswered. And Senator Cruz, maybe he fancies
himself to be a constitutional expert. He knows that no
amendment is absolute. He's a constitutional lawyer. His
rhetoric. His over the top rhetoric here makes it seem like
if you support this amendment, you're against the First
Amendment. Well, I want to ask you Senator Cruz Are you against
anti child pornography laws? He's not here. But would he be
against anti child pornography laws does that make him against
the First Amendment is he an absolutist on the First
Amendment
wow he's now comparing pornography to campaign support
and interesting
because he against the ability to falsely screen file that you
should does he think everyone should be false allowed to
falsely screen files false what
he's doing like a false double negative upset he's
upset. I want to I want to hear what he's trying to
say against the ability to falsely screen file that you
should write does he think everyone should be false allowed
to falsely scream fire in a crowded theatre
falsely scream fire? Well,
and if anyone's opposed to that, are they opposed to?
Well, okay, uh, no, I think he's got a point. I think that you
should not be allowed to yell fire in a theatre, but you
shouldn't be in the middle of a love scene be allowed to yell.
The whole first amendment and against free speech. libel laws.
If you're for libel laws, does that Oh, how
about bullying? Yeah, yeah, that
mean you're against free speech. And you're against the First
Amendment and
there's a bunch of anyway you stopped. It's almost
done. I like it. I want to hear the rest of this good.
thing not. We have always had balancing tests for every
amendment. Some of my colleagues on the other side I know don't
believe there should be one for the Second Amendment. I believe
there should but I believe there's a right to bear arms.
What
what is he that was just say, when did that just happen?
The second amendment I believe there should but I believe
there's a right to bear arms. And I don't like seeing it
through a pinhole but that's neither here nor there. Always
had balancing tests for every golfer children,
that's what he's that's what he's doing.
He's nuts. So I think he's behind this amendment. By the
way. He's signatories. He's not one of the later signatories.
Let me see. Let me see. Let's take a
look. The first group, the first group, which will be there all
day by date, you can look at him so this is from Udall Yeah. Tom
Udall the dumbest guy in Congress. He's used as the
frontman. I think Schumer used them. Let's see Um picture that
I put in the newsletter of him a guy looks like his IQ is nine.
Okay so the the first sign up we're Harkin yep and Schumer
Yep. And Shaheen she's from Delaware white Why are you so
judgmental?
Oh my god it's no different coming
from Hawaii that's that's the we've heard her talk about the
interwebs. Yeah. Tester from Massachusetts. Oh and our
favourite of course boxer. Your girlfriend there from where she
from now Minnesota Minnesota
versus our California why I'm sorry California I
don't know why said Minnesota, California. Then we have a coons
Delaware and King Angus King. These are all these were all on
the 18th Murphy widen. Franken Of course.
Franken on the wrong side of this
club club Car
Club. Amy.
And then of course we have the adults and after that came
Johnson Menendez. Yeah, they all came. Jack Reed Blumenthal, too.
Are there any Republicans Republicans on this or just all
Democrats? Right?
Yeah, it's actually two independents, including.
So all these people should be a you they need to be as what's
the word? Get out next. excoriated,
excoriated, excoriated by five minutes later, maybe longer,
Cruz comes back. He sits down and I guess he was briefed on
what Schumer had said, and here's what is this just a short
part of it. Here's what Cruz has to say.
I'm gonna recognise Senator Cruz. I think Senator Hatch has
already asked, I'll recognise Senator Cruz and as Senator
Franken, if he would come up here and preside over the vote
on the franking gets to hold the gavel, he loves that he loves
being the boss. Gosh, he gets all beanie and stuff.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I recognise you. At the outset,
I'd like to say I understand that in my absence. Senator
Schumer, very kindly, gave a lecture on civility and
encouraged me not to go over the top. While he then in the same
breath, accused me of supporting child pornography. So I
appreciate that demonstration and senatorial restraint from
the senior senator from New York. Let me say to the members
of this panel, welcome. Thank you for joining us.
He's a good lawyer, and a lawyer. He's a lawyer, his
wife's Goldman Sachs, or I mean, the guy is, he could not be more
perfect GOP. What he's just done makes you feel so icky, and
swarmy in there, but that long,
that's good. You know who he was listening to his voice after you
pointed out? You know, he sounds almost like exactly like,
although you'd have most people we don't have a close at hand in
Eclipse. But Joe McCarthy, Joe McCarthy, the guy who started
all those hearings about the communist and waving empty
sheets of paper and doing all this other stuff, he has exactly
the same voice I'm gonna have to credit find from
the 50s. really well, but wasn't that just I think that's because
of the microphones back in the day. So I mean, he's doing it
naturally. We have a little bit of Joe McCarthy that I can play
for you from. This is June 9 1954, at the army McCarthy
hearings. Now, it's your right. Crew sounds like he's talking
through a 1950s microphone and broadcast system. That's very
hard to emulate. Yeah, that's that's what it is. It's nothing
else.
Interest I got one more cruise clip if you want to play it. So
I'd like to
point out that I have had CNN on here on the desktop, but
throughout the the what are we now we're 29 minutes into the
programme. And not a single peep about this hearing. Not a
soundbite not a lower third, not a nothing. It's all about what a
gunmen was dressed in fatigues. It's all about other
distractions of minor infractions. Yeah, it sucks when
someone gets killed. This is not good. But these are very
important issues that are just completely and I would believe
purposely being ignored.
Yeah, I would say so. So welcome to
your podcast.
Well, I mean, Mitch McConnell did say even though they have
all these co signers for this thing, he says, this is not
going to ever get passed. I mean, the house of block it for
sure. But the even the Senate there's a number of Democrats
that are to say Ansible to vote for this thing. So they they
probably lose 10 of them, because they don't have all the
Democrats they only have 4040 to 40 because two of them are
independent. So anyway, I just want to play one more little
cruise thing because I was he was on a roll and I thought this
was good because he this is one of the few things where he he
actually finishes it off with a blogger thing. And I'm thinking
is that really a good thing but the third
could not canard is
that corner and I'm telling you this, this is an issue of no
rights
that gets repeated an awful lot. Again, you'd get an F in law
school if you if you embrace that position. The New York
Times is a corporation. CBS is a corporation, Paramount Pictures
and Simon and Schuster corporations. The Sierra Club is
a corporation the NRA is a corporation that NAACP is a
corporation Ramadasa is a corporation. None of the people
who say corporations have no rights would possibly suggest
that well Congress can then prevent the NAACP from speaking
can prevent La Raza from speaking can muzzle the New York
Times. That position is obviously false. Nobody has
disagreed with the litany of harms that could occur if
Congress passed this bill the ability to muzzle citizens to
muzzle labour unions from organising because that's an in
kind expenditure, the ability to silence bloggers oh my god that
is on.
I was thinking about this actually makes it an interesting
point. Because when you watch democracy now or any of these
shows, they go on about the evil corporations but they don't
discuss it you never bring up the nonprofit's and the
evil corporation. It's if you really boil it down. The only
thing everybody's pissed off about our earth by are the Koch
brothers.
That's what it's about. It's about so here's my suggestion.
I've been thinking about this. We should kill the Koch brothers
just arrest them, kill them and be done with I mean, I'm sure we
can come up with some kind of amendment or SIC the IRS on him
just I'm sure they've done something illegal somewhere like
Al Capone, I'm sure we can get them on something. Go ahead and
do it. Just please go get the Koch brothers throw me in the
judge. Oh, after hear this? Oh, man, it would just be so nice.
I'm gonna call you back. John. I can feel the thing is like
cutting out
giving up on you. Just a little bit.
Wow, will just do this Koch brothers. We go and, and lost my
mouse. There's no evidence people want to use that thing
anyway. So
that's true. It's a fact.
Well, that was a good run.
I was too deep into this thing. This little shaggy dog story
because I began with the sessions thing saying so when
sessions mention the the guy being excoriated in front of a
subcommittee. I call sessions office ah, as you as you would
do, as I would do, and I asked for one of the assistants that
they answer some questions about. And it's funny, they're
very amenable did senators not so much as the representatives,
the people in the house, I believe,
never get called. They're so happy when you Oh, it's Joe.
John's calling again? Oh,
anybody's calling. They think it's great. The senators are
busy. And I think many of them are cheap. So they don't have
big staff.
Because Jeff Sessions office.
Yeah, I have a couple of questions.
Yes. How can I help you? Oh, you sound like Mr. Dvorak. The C
stands for capslock. How're you doin? John? I'd
like to know what the what the theme is pretty good. I'd like
to know what the meeting was at sessions let he was at talking
at the amendment meeting for the kids. You get to
the point. You're really confusing me?
No, no, no, he's he was at this campaign finance. And he
mentioned that he was at something else. And he came
running in and he I wanted to know what that other where he
was. Oh, yeah. What was it? And? Well, that's what I want to
know. What was the committee name?
I don't know. Well, can
you find out? Yeah,
sure. Can I get back to you?
No, actually, she says, can I put you on hold? Oh, that's
nice. Now normally when you call up one of these offices that
they have a bunch of assistants and one is oh Jerry would know
about that. And she and she Jerry will call you back and but
no this apparently there's one girl in Washington was doing was
doing everything. So answering the phone doing research. So she
didn't really help me as much as a representative but she turned
me on to something I didn't know about okay, which is that all
the major committees
you need to back off from the mic one hair, you're just your
your overdrive.
All the she pointed out that all these committees and
subcommittees have a website, which is very much like the
Google website where you invoice by Google. So you do
do you do sessions.house.net session? So it'd be
like, subcommittee name.senate.gov. Okay, and you
get there and there's a big day we have over the years, I
suppose, catalogued all their meetings with video. Oh, no, you
kidding me? And is not video that C span place. It's just
just raw video of these meetings, all of them. Ah, like
the dipshit meeting of the year, there is a video of it. You just
have to know what when it happened. You can look them up
by date. Huh? So I ran over and I said this was a problem now.
Because there is a
plethora, is there an index somewhere? Is there a searchable
index of the sessions that you can find I
know of but you if you know what the subcommittee is or the
committee that's holding that has that owns the subcommittee,
you can get there. You can get to any one of these things that
they've done, or you can I think you've just ways of looking it
up. But Google search, possibly, whatever the case is, there's a
tonne of stuff that never gets played.
And you went in the guy and recorded something for
some of these things. It's like it's a goldmine. All right. I'll
play some of this stuff later in the show when we get off of
these topics, which is was environmental committee about
the coal, and it was four guys only four guys, two Democrats,
two opponents, either small committees and but they bring
these experts in, and these experts ciac away and it's all
there. And so this is now a bottomless pit of new material
for us.
And I have a clip here from one of the sessions that sometimes
fascism benefits that came from
anyway, back to the there was a maybe have one or two I mean, I
got too many clips on this freedom of speech thing, Frank
and went off the deep end. And Frank and Frank, His thing was
disingenuous.
I like I don't mind listening to him because I like laughing
about him. And
he comes on at first he does some stick.
Well, it's time to reiterate for people who are too young to know
probably, that Al Franken was a comedian and actor, I would say
comedian more than actor. Yeah, he's a comedian. And he most
famously, was on Saturday Night Live for many, many seasons, I
think, years and years, wasn't he? Yeah, on for a long time.
And he and he had the Stuart Smalley bid, which was kind of
cute. And, and sometimes he would be he would if you give
them the right minds, he's good. But he kind of thinks he's
funny. He
is funny, but he does possess. And you at the beginning of
this, I think you have that back and forth with sessions then
that you talked about your reference, but we'd haven't
played a clip about. He does a little back and forth with
sessions. Because he's been a professional comic. He may not
be funny, per se, but he will have an absolute sense of
timing. So he can get laughs
that way. Oh, yeah. No, he's got the time. This is Franken and
play that one.
Rankin Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. The recognise myself.
Just heard you recognise yourself.
I do. Look in the mirror. I recognise my
seat. And now he's doing the small Lee bit. Yeah, look, and
I'm, I'm uncapable. He was a writer of the chatroom points
out correctly that he was mainly a writer on the show, which is
makes sense. And I recognise myself here.
I knew you would handle that. Definitely.
And of course, the other guys are all like, Hey, I'm I'm doing
improv. I'm doing improv with Frank and let me do this is the
definition of a canard right there. Thank you did thank you.
If so did you ah, painful.
It's good to see you. Mr. Abrams, you actually depend on
me on a First Amendment case. And I did. And you won with a
brilliant.
Thank you. I remember what you said to me after I won. What did
I say? Even a chip could have won that case.
The doing stick that's pretty good.
And I was right.
Wow. Okay, that's good. All right. He winds back points with
me on this by your
brilliant lawyer. And I noticed that in your testimony, your
written testimony and Professor Raskin, I want you to speak to
this. Mr. Abrams says that appear that it quote appears
that Citizens United has not caused a flood of new money in
politics. He says twice actually uses the word twice. It appears
that way. Now, from my experience, I know Mr. Abrams is
an excellent lawyer. So I know he chooses his words carefully.
When he says that it appears that way because there's really
no way that we know. There's really no way that we know. And
Mr. Abrams himself has said that he is for getting rid of all
limits entirely. When we're talking about intimidation about
speech, suppose a corporation comes up and there's no limits
and says to a senator, if you vote this way on this bill, we
will spend $100 million to defeat you. That's fine. Isn't
that fine? I mean, it's according to this logic.
Yeah. It's okay. That's just free speech. Look on the
empirical question. Let
me just say this Oh, no. And then they can either put the 100
million in or not, they don't even have to put it in to
intimidate you. What's
the the numbers that I've seen have gone up dramatically. And
the numbers that we haven't seen the 501 C fours, the social
welfare groups, the C sixes that trade association to the dark
money, you know, the ASOs.
Okay, that's Raskin who just one sec, can I can
ask you a? Can I ask you a question of conscience? And
well, I make one observation before you ask the question, of
course, of course is how is this any different than what happens
today when the Sierra Club goes up to you and says, if you're
not for global warming, we're gonna defeat you.
Right? The only thing that's different is the only thing is
differences. Is he saying $100 million instead of 10, or
whatever? And that is the question I'm going to ask
because I believe that if the system works, as it I think it
does, and these end our representatives in Congress are
indeed our representatives and money represents voice and
speech, etc. I think you know, if there truly is some rule that
is so egregious to put into place if you would have to buy
off votes for hundreds of millions of dollars. This would
be something of such magnitude and outrage. If you couldn't
just get it done. I mean, you know, how much money to make
$100 million back. This is not this is not easy.
This is a bogus argument. This is a specious argument. This is
what he's doing it Yeah, it makes some logical sense in the
in the in the this is a remember the clip we played against
fantasy land, because in Oregon Candyland, because it doesn't.
Why can't people think the worst? Remember that clip from
Bill Moyers? I don't understand why people can't see the worst
case scenario and live by that thinking.
Alright, can I um, can I move us? Can I transition us here
from this to something else? Anything? Okay. So why do we
have to listen to these arguments about $100 million,
when not a single second is spent on a promise. And the
promise has a name wouldn't give you the name? The European
Reassurance Initiative, also known as the E ri, which our
president said, Oh, I'm gonna go get a billion dollars to put war
crap here in Poland.
I've come here, first and foremost, to reaffirm the
enduring commitment of the United States to the security of
Poland
enduring commitment. I know I'm sorry. I like Polish people. But
when did I become responsible for them? We're on
track with our missile defence programme including interceptor
sites here. Yeah, as we saw this morning, our American aviation
detachment. Here is the first regular presence of US forces,
Team America, continuously rotate additional personnel and
aircrafts rotating in the Baltics. We will be expanding
our exercises and training with allies to increase the readiness
of our forces bringing President Komorowski is a great champion
of the effort to modernise the Polish military and we welcome
the announcement that he just made about an even greater
commitment bringing it home will increase the number of American
personnel Army and Air Force units continuously rotating
through allied countries in Central Yeah, calling on
Congress to approve up to $1 billion to support this effort.
Yeah $1 billion to put war machinery into Poland and
meanwhile we're screaming there's not a single person is
even bothered by this even bothered bother show it to show
me the report this you had to get this off of C span just to
just to get a clip. And then and and then we have oh I'm trying
to contain myself. A Victoria Nudelman All right. Nuland is
what she calls herself who have and how many times have I said
she's married? Robert Kagan was Frederick Craig ins brother the
P net guy, one of the people who got us. I have to keep reminding
people. Yes you do. And she goes up on stage and she's just and
she's got a little suit on and you know her little sailor suit,
you know the one with the blue with a white stripes. Yeah, it
looks good on her. By the way, the sailor suit looks she looks
good with the sailor. She does, and carries off to the side
beaming with pride and her husband, you wave. But her
husband Robert, is on stage with her. And Carrie now Robert Kagan
is not a politician. He is a professor. And he on stage.
Well, he's her husband. And she Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And he works
for the FBI, the foreign policy Policy Institute, I think which
is a it's like the project for New American Century it is the
think tank that will get us into Eurasia or thwart anything that
that that our evil guy is doing. Just a little quick montage of
her about how he or she just ah, this is a Renaissance, the
renaissance in Europe, everybody. It's the European
Reassurance Renaissance Initiative. And then she thanks
her husband.
What's required is a transatlantic renaissance, a new
burst of energy.
Can you feel like Europe we're giving you a burst of energy we
have
to be that beacon. Where are your began? Together we must
lead or we will see the things that we value and our global
interest. Influence recede.
Oh, okay, we have to lead so we don't receive interesting it
means funding, equipping and training our militaries to be
ready to defend our freedom and advance our security interests
wherever they are needed.
Fuck Hillary make her President defend our freedom. Our military
must be at the ready for the EU, for we must be your right to go.
And abroad, there is no place where our generosity and our
experience and our ideals are more needed today than on
Europe's own periphery. Hello, Europe.
She actually said Poland. Hello. Hello, Europe.
You need us. We're coming. Alright, and now she thanks her
husband.
And finally my Kagan he's my Mars. He's my Venus. He's my
planet Earth. Um, so
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a sec. I think this.
I know.
She says she's my Mars Venus and her planet planet Earth. Yeah.
Did she then if she got or she has sun? What is she? She
Yeah, good question in relationship
to this. Let's have planets. Listen
again. Elaine, my Kagan.
My Kagan I think we should your mind Dvorak. I am your curry.
He is my Mars. He's my Venus. He's my planet Earth.
He's my Mars. He's my Vin. This is my So Mars Venus. What are we
missing mercury. She might be mercury.
Why would it do there's no relationship between Mercury
planet Earth, Mars and
Venus. I
know. She either has to be the moon, or the sun or God in some
way.
She's thinking of song lyrics like, I'm your Venus. I don't
know what she's thinking. But would you listen that whole
video?
By the way? They don't want to dwell on this, but I will. Yeah.
Why would there be three things? Why can't he just be he's my
beacon or is my son or he's my he's my light that this? You
know, she's I don't know why she's even being this corny, but
she is. Why does it have to be Mars and Venus and planet? Why
does it have to be three things? What is the deal with that?
Well, obviously, obviously, she's MK Ultra. Obviously Kagan
has a completely under his control. And she is the
assistant. I think that you address her as Ambassador
actually, she is the assistant or Deputy Secretary of State it
listen. Let me let me look. I think you have to address her as
ambassador.
I don't know.
Let's check. Let's if we're gonna make fun of reminders.
We'll make fun of her properly with a proper title. I believe
she is Deputy Assistant Secretary is what it's called,
but not just assistant secretary. She's Assistant
Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs. That's a big
deal. And and we know that she is
how did she go from spokes hole to that?
Yes, that's a very short path, but it's obvious you know, we
already knew she was the I mean, every Assistant Secretary of
State for European and Eurasian Affairs does stuff like this
fuck that you. That's right. That's how that's how you act as
an American Okay, and she's being controlled by the Kagan
her Kagan. It's not my husband, my love of my life, you know,
we're accepting an award and why is she even doing that? But
okay? She just said I'm going to bring, I'm going to bring them
bad and nasty to Europe. I'm bringing it. I'm bringing the
army, I'm bringing force. I'm bringing a renaissance, a burst
of energy, and it's all thanks to my Kagan periphery.
And finally, my Kagan he is my Mars he's My Venus. He's my
planet Earth.
If I ever wouldn't award that's what I'm going to say. And
finally, my Kagan he is my Mars is my Venus He's my manager Mike
Hagen might know it's his name is Robert it's my Kagan maybe
it's me His nickname is Mike. No, no, no, my Kagan you're
right Kagan with these people are all insane John you're
absolutely right today take it freely. Are you sure wait
the Mars Venus and come on I can't top that I get tonnes of
clips but there's no way to top that
what am I top that my son my top my own Clip of the Day. All
right. Now if you think the American
Cagin my son my moon, she's this woman is clinically insane.
These are the people running is not enough.
The person is clinically insane. Is Herrmann, farm room boy.
Well, well, that too. And he is still this is an interesting
topic because he is still the president of the of the EU,
these are unelected positions. And right now there is a battle
between what what's his name? The banker guy, the German
banker guy Juncker. Yeah. Juncker so Juncker but then we
have angular Merkel saying she would like Christine Lagarde
right. She's got her name has been brought up way too much.
And
Tony Blair is also starting to I don't think you'll make a move
without a woman but I think look, guard oh man, you imagine
and they joked about it, that it would have Hillary in America
Lagarde in Europe, and it's not hard to see how she would be
better than this guy. This is an as you recall, we have a
nickname for him. Do you remember him haiku Herman
because he likes writing and reciting haikus. And he recently
received the Prime Minister of Japan,
I will greet you with a beautiful haiku written by
Yamaguchi so do some 300 years ago. I see the surprise in the
eyes of your a Master. Yeah, no shit.
I see the surprises. Yeah, the guy's gonna like what are you
doing? What
I will quote in Japanese. Now,
let me tell you something. I learned in my short journey to
Tokyo. That if you're not nailing the pronunciation, the
Japanese pretty much don't know what the hell you're saying. If
you're not absolutely nailing it, they'll look at you like
what? So it's not it's not like you can speak with a British
accent and American can kind of figure it out or a Cockney
accent. It's it's a little harder if you're not completely
nailing it. I don't know if he is, but I have my doubts.
Mainly why Oba? Yama or toto de su how to get through
and he's gonna translate it though.
Green leaves a nice little CaCO in mountain and the seasons
first bonito
Yes. I'm hard now.
What's the point of that? The seasons first bonita, which is
Luna. What is the point?
I don't know. It was written 300 years ago and apparently the
Japanese loved his rendition of it.
Here I'm sure they did. So well. Chuck a chuckling chuckling
amongst themselves.
I think I should keep this as a as an evergreen meanie
Wow. Oba Yama or toto de su, how to get Sure.
I think we should keep that. No, no, no. Bucha just keep it
someone's gonna want to hear that as a donation. So but it's
possible. Anyway, I would like to thank you, John, for wrapping
all of that up for us. The blatant attack on the First
Amendment of the United States of America so I thank you for
your courage and say in the morning to you John C. Dvorak
will in the morning to you Adam curry
as he looks for the spreadsheet,
and in the morning to all the ships at sea out there boots on
the ground, feet in the air subs in the water. And all the dames
out there and nights. Yes.
And I'll say in the morning to everyone in the chat room. Our
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Martin. Yeah, I think Nick the rat was Nick the writer Martin
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think was Nick Yeah. And he kind of threw everything in there.
And I want to remind people that we, I have to shrink the art
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all pod catchers. But when it does, it's going to be smaller.
And also, it's smaller in the show notes, we always have the
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a big element. But this fact is not showing up on the that's the
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It's partially, it's a long story.
So the system is deteriorating.
I get I get grief from people that say, Oh, I love this app,
it works perfectly. But none of it doesn't really they added all
these. Yeah, they changed the way they do things. I used to
take the album art out of the mp3 file itself, and I have to
put it into the channel itself. But in order for the feed to be
valid, it also has to be hosted on the same URL. It's a lot of
crap that comes into it. I want to bore you. And I'm trying to
make it automated. So I don't have to do this stuff by hand
every single time because when I do it by hand, when you're
editing an XML file by hand I get let me tell you after three
hours of show, this is when mistakes come into play. And
really dumb shit happens and I don't want that. So I'd rather
I'm still figuring it all out. So we're working on working on
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it'll eventually get fixed. Of course it'll get fixed. We have
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an instant Knight right to Baronet. So he's an instant
Baronet because he's already given us enough money to
he's an aqua net.
He received promotion figures time to donate. I would like to
finish off my knighthood and toss in an instant night to
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Let me I'm sorry. Before you do the Glenfiddich, which I like a
lot myself. Good. Very good scotch, the 18th I think they
actually I think the 12 is acceptable. The 1818 year old
most Scotch brands are all good. I've really
run I got really hooked on that Sanatory stuff. What
is it the Suntory here? The blue the stuff they're making Japan
12 year centaury doesn't matter what it is. I like all of it.
Yeah, well, the eight teens are all across the board outstanding
and then finishes particularly good. I was I
was really I was really blown away by it when i Wow, I haven't
tasted this good. I'm, I'm just a simple bourbon guy, Jim bean.
actually get it. Here's my you know, I've decided there's a
number of good burgers. We should talk about this sometime.
But we'll say well, I don't want to talk in too much detail. But
I have to say that the 12 not the 12 but the reserve, old crow
which is in a leader and it's a black label and it's cheap. It's
like 13 bucks a litre old crow you say old crow reserve, which
is not that easy to find. Turns out but old crow reserve it
straight up shots.
It's absolutely bourbon. Get your hammered.
Well, if you took enough shots, but one shots I gotta get
anybody does normal hammered. But it is absolutely bourbon
esque. So a lot of people would argue about old crow versus
other cheap cheap bourbons but the 8686 proof which is
shouldn't add proofs. bourbons are considered a violation of
the bourbon law by bourbon experts. Oh really? So you need
to have at least 86 But Counsel of bourbon and but there's old
crow Black Label reserved straight shots.
Mickey's writing it down. I
know she's writing, sipping it's not a sipping bourbon. It
says shots shots and not on rocks. Nothing straight down
straight shot
and you can maybe have a glass of water or something after was
because I'm really a
barbarian I like I do three cubes some Jim Beam and then
sparkling water I'm sure that's that's wrong in so many ways I'm
sure well
you know it's not wrong necessarily but it's not getting
the full impact of the bourbon right but I'm telling you shot
get a shot glass shot glass shot
glass let me write this down shot glass yes shot glass old
crow reserve reserve okay do I do this in my Hema underwear or
can I wear anything I want
anything you want just make sure you're pointing South honey out
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didn't find a note from my email either. So he's getting to the
point where he just like
I want to I want to be Grand Duke is good. I don't care what
else happens?
And I would tell you, David Brynjolfsson I'm thinking that's
how you pronounce his name. Brand new suit on you. I'm just
gonna go over the pseudo name we get oh, I should mention that
Eric was on the road when he did this. And so you keep an eye out
for birthdays and other day Gotcha. Spoon collection stone
nation for 333 homeless 300 shows late I've decided that
would match my money spent on marijuana or marijuana
accessories of the donation of the same amount.
Was this donation or what was not? It's not it has to be it
has to be the for two or three three, right?
Yeah, the best podcast universally recommended, every
drug of choice is alcohol, tobacco painkillers, how hell if
people ever learned to donate to ad free educational software, I
will send even more.
This is an interesting topic. Not just educational software.
But you know, I use this lots of open source software that in
fact, the show runs on audio rack suite. And I'm still I'm
preparing my highlights a whole multi camera production to show
everyone how this is route running. And these guys do open
source and I send them like I don't know, 100 100 bucks two
years ago and then didn't did another release, I sent another
100 bucks. You people you need to support your independent
software developers. This is in unless you want to be stuck with
just fucking apps that steal your stuff. Support your
independent software developers. And if you're using a programme
and use it for a while and you like it, and send them some
money, think about the value you're getting out of that
programme. You need to do this. Do you remember when when there
was Shareware and then
yeah, now it's a scam. It's all scam where here's what bothers
me. So you go on to so you got you're looking for some free
editor or free backup programme or something that you can maybe
support as opposed to these horrible commercial products
that you get with these hard drives. When you're buying at
Costco these things don't even work. Those Costco guys I'm
telling you, and then what's that two drives to drive makers,
they put this crappy backup software all you can back up.
And it's like crappy backup software. And you don't even get
the full version yet to pay money for the it's just
terrible. And this stuff doesn't work very well. But nowadays,
because the people aren't donating in effort, the
shareware business is off not working well. Or there's or, or
the scammers themselves have ruined it. You go to a download
site and says, you know,
oh, no, I know. And this is click the download button and
you get some dot exe file. Yeah, just go. But now that'll be
fine. Get
some other or are they have all these different than, you know,
try this? Try that try this. And you know, and are you are you go
to the one that really bugs me and I've written about this is
you want to get a copy of OpenOffice for a machine you're
building, let's say. And so you go in instead and you make some
mistake instead of going to openoffice.org.
Just I just need to set this up for a second. So we have to
understand that you are now at this point. You've got your
green visor on a I'm building a machine. You've already got your
motherboard in now I want to I gotta load some OpenOffice on
this machine. I'm building that.
Yeah, go and I'm going in there and I find that I get to some
scam site says Download OpenOffice here, you click on it
and it starts it says which and during the download process and
when you actually execute the file to instal it. It says would
you like this broad product because this is good for it
right and we're already solves a tool bar or
bar instals A that some other crap and you get a bunch of
weird stuff contaminating your machine and is now your browser
doesn't work right? And all of a sudden, Twitter's got ads all
over it. You know, it's unbelievable, the crafted goat
that they try to scam you with you ever see. Anyway, I want to
mention something if somebody's trying to trick you into using
their product. These are not honest people, I would never
give them money.
Right? This is not typically how I come across software, I'm not
searching that way. Or I'll look at communities and look at
things that are if you just if you just go to Google, which I'm
no longer using, although I have to say if you're searching for
news stories, you still have to resort back to Google if you
want something Oh, current. But yeah, I'll look around I'll talk
to people and someone will give me a pointer. You know, get hub
and stuff like that. You got to do a little work. Just didn't
you're going to I love that CNET. CNET has it download.com
Whatever. That's one of the biggest scams.
Oh, it's horrible. download.com used to be one of the best
places no longer it's not no longer now they got a bunch of
Oh, try this. Try that or did they have the big download
button which is not to download what you're looking for? That's
what bothers me.
Yeah. No, I hear you. Okay, so when you find something that is
not a scam, and it's useful, and someone's making it, pay him and
don't go searching for codes.
Anyway, spoon collection 333 33 H M fic and Montpellier, Vermont
as the head and MoPhO in charge. He's back. Oh my gosh, this is
our Yeah, he kicked off our coverage of Bo Diddley, which is
a new name we're using.
But he's, he's in following Sunday show. It's been
interesting to watch the Beau Bergdahl boded league scandal
blow up in the face of the administration. I'm extremely
proud of the warfighter community. It's interesting
that's the word. The warfighter community for not letting the
facade of bow the returning hero stand. In fact of returning here
I do have did you get the Susan Rice clip?
I, I have an entire theory on this.
I do have one too. But at least play the Susan Rice cup is short
and sweet. This is that idiot twerp Susan Rice,
he served the United States with honour and distinction and will
have the opportunity eventually to learn what has transpired and
in the past two years, but what's most important now is his
health and well being that he had the opportunity to recover
and peace and security and be reunited with his family. Yes.
And all right, you get to do that I get to an I did not make
this montage. I have the original in the show notes. I
forgot where I got it from. So there's a little music track
underneath it. Besides the honour and distinction mean, we
had the sacred duty,
Obama on a global stage this morning defending a sacred
mission to return us prisoners of war. We don't leave
people behind that we will do it's a sacred duty to bring them
back, etc. And there's a sacred bond with our men and women in
uniform. That is a sacred obligation. The President pushed
back by saying he has a sacred trust. I think he actually said
it very well, that what I just heard, which is a sacred
principle,
we still have a sacred obligation to bring that person
back. sacred,
sacred sacred, the sacred, sacred, sacred sacred,
we have a sacred obligation that we have upheld since the
founding of our Republic
sacred.
I love the way they come up with this stuff and then they slip it
into the mainstream consciousness sacred.
Let's look at the definition of sacred shall we? Yes, please.
Right, sacred adjective worthy of religious worship, very holy,
relating to religion, highly valued and important, deserving
great respect. I'm sure they mean that clearly, clearly
clear, dedicated or set apart for the service or worship of a
deity. So the sacred thing, man, that's that added control is I
have a I have a theory. Let's talk about that afterwards.
After we get done with this. Move into that subject. Yeah.
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right, okay, so here we go. Because I have a thought on this
on this fiasco. And but you're you have the clips. I have very
few I do have one funny clip. You know, I was listening to
that. What's the name of that lesbian on it Chris Hayes.
Yes, Chris. The Lesbian Chris Hayes. Yeah.
Chase actually brought something up. That was interesting. He did
have an old clip from Fox. here's the
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Dvorak? You watch?
Yeah, it was stolen joke. I mean, it's funny.
I like it.
But Chris Hayes He's I realised that I never thought but is the
name of his show is about what it is all in
oh yeah no no so he's
all in with the Obama administration so he brought on
and this should this is the clip Chris Hayes
we should probably play it it seems seems like a long clip you
got here
it's it's a little long because what it is is that this is the
apologist clip and our agent or Sergeant Staff Sergeant will be
amused by this this is what they did to assuage the whole thing
and this is pre SEC saints was sacked sacred is the priests pre
the sacred oh really right away this right after all began this
was the first putting out the fire a clip I could
if you need to rely on the vast audience of MSNBC to put out the
fire. But But no,
but what they did what I what I think why this clip is good is
besides the intro, which shows a clip from 2009 that where
somebody came out and bitched about this guy being a deserter
back then, and that by the way, what she doesn't mention is
that's the point where the non disclosures were were
distributed to tell people to stop
Shut up. Yeah, exactly.
But then Chris Hayes is all in all in with whatever. So he
brings in the Pentagon spokes whole guy, why not? Who and and
he never asked him he never does a follow up question. He just he
obviously had a script in front of them and you can listen to
the script. Okay, if you get sick of this, you can kill it.
But it's a script is a very scripted interview all saying
everything's fine. Don't worry about don't look over there. And
here we go.
This isn't new on Fox News in 2009. Not long after Bergdahl
was captured. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, called the
soldier a liar and suggested the Taliban would be doing us a
favour, like killing him.
If he walked away from his post and his buddies in wartime, I
don't care how hard it sounds. As far as I'm concerned, the
tally bond can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal legal
bills.
Joining me now Pentagon press secretary Rear Admiral John
Kirby. And Admiral Let me begin by asking why now I know
negotiations had been ongoing for quite some time on this
matter. What was the breakthrough that allowed Bowe
Bergdahl to come home? Well, there was, uh, I think the way I
put this, Chris was, there was a lot of effort, a lot of effort
over years, and certainly recent months and weeks. But the real
impetus to move as quickly as we did here was concerns that we
had over Sergeant Berg dolls, health and his safety. So we
knew that there was a brief window coming. And we took
advantage of this as quickly as possible. But largely, the speed
and the urgency with which we moved was a lot driven by by his
well being. Can you be any more specific about his health? I
know it's
so you're right. This was all about his health, his health,
his health, his health. But it morphed? And I'm sick of this.
Can I move on?
Yeah, let me just summarise a couple other things he brought
up, he asked him about the desertion claim, you should
probably kill it after
the desert shows, listen, I
mentioned numerous times any sense of of what kind of health
challenges you are concerned about? Yeah, I'm really not able
to, because he is an active duty living soldier. He has privacy
rights that we just can't violate. But I would tell you
that that through a series of indications, we became
increasingly concerned about his well being and of course, his
safety in general. Not that, you know, not that we weren't always
concerned about his safety and captivity, but in particular,
as, as things got to just recent weeks here, without going into
much more detail there. In terms of the indications and
intelligence, I can tell you that we have very good reason to
be so concerned. And that really is what drove the speed with
which we moved. There's been two lines of criticism in reaction
to the announcement. The first has to do with the negotiation
itself. There are politicians and other saying that the
administration has negotiated with terrorists, it has violated
some important America. Wait, stop,
stop. This is actually worth listening to. Because it seems
to me that if if you follow the logic, you have to listen to
this clip, because I didn't think this was going to be their
excuse. But oh, anyway, just keep playing it. I mean, this is
the most stupid thing I've ever heard. And Chris Hayes says
nothing about it,
your response to that? There was no negotiations with terrorists
in this in this case,
because they talked to the Qatari is right, our friends, it
was all
all the discussions were done. Logic is this.
And I got I got a lot of pushback from many people on
this. We didn't Yeah,
we didn't do we didn't negotiate with tariffs. Yeah, no, no, no.
No. So in other words, we had zero to do with this whole
thing. We're in
other words, if I am working on a divorce settlement and I'm
working through my lawyer. I'm not negotiating with a
terrorist. Of course you are your ex wife is by definition a
terrorist.
The whole thing is ludicrous. Just like I'm using the phone, I
didn't talk to these people. I
know. I didn't actually see that man. No, I didn't know
through. The Government of Qatar will greatly appreciative for
that. But there was no direct talks with the Taliban, no
direct talks with Afghani network. This was a, this was an
arrangement to transfer
that alright, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of this. All right. And
let me let me move on. Because this this, this went to the
sacred duty. That was the script that was I don't know how this
where that meme comes from or how that just goes. Everyone was
using it sacred duty sacred and missions. It's all sacred,
sacred. Okay, sacred. Now, we know that, according to the news
reports, and this could all be one elaborate. Do I mean this,
maybe there's something still to come and we just haven't seen it
yet. But it appeared that the administration was caught off
guard. And here's Chuck Todd, on the Today show.
I really think this was just going to be a celebratory
moment, the release of Sergeant Bergdahl. Did they not see any
of this backlash coming? Were they caught flat footed, they
were caught flat footed, every eight I've talked to said they
expected there to be controversy involving the decision to
release five members of the Taliban from Gitmo and the fact
that this would then escalate that debate, which of course has
been simmering for a good five years, which is what to do with
those detainees. How do you release them? Where do you
really say they did not expect this backlash on Bergdahl
himself? I've had a few aides describe it to me. We didn't
know that they were going to Swift Boat Bergdahl. And Matt,
of course, that's a reference to that political fight back in
2004. Over John Kerry's military, right. So
whether this is true or not, that is the that is the meme
that is being put out there. The White House was not expecting
this backlash now. Susan Rice, the Torp, as you call her, she
went out she went a number of shows she was on Candy Crowley
show but I'd like candy. I think she's she she's somehow she gets
to ask the real questions. And I've noticed that CNN is
changing somewhat. And here's where she comes with the meme
that I think plays into my my theory, which I'll get to
when you were having these discussions amongst yourselves.
Did you worry that this deal would encourage other terrorist
organisations like the conning network, to seize Americans, be
they military or civilian Americans in order to get more
folks released from Guantanamo Bay?
Now, Kenny, the fact of the matter is Sergeant Bergdahl is
the last of the Americans that had been held in Afghanistan.
And we felt that as the wars winding down, it was our sacred
obligation, given the opportunity to get him back that
we do so. And we did so in a way that has brought him back safely
into American hands. We did so in a way that resulted in the
Taliban prisoners be
okay, so what you heard there is the war is winding down. He's
our last man out there. And this I think, is what the idea was,
here's rice on Stephanopoulos and ABC, we already heard her
the do the honour and distinction clip which you had.
Here she is, again about I think, prisoner of Georgia. This
is this is a very special situation. Sergeant Bergdahl
wasn't simply a hostage. He was an American prisoner of war,
captured on the battlefield. Oh,
this is a she's really trying to propagate something which we now
know is factually and there may even be some video evidence not
true.
We have a sacred obligation that we have our republic to do our
utmost to bring back our men and women
since the founding of the Republic, women
who are taken in battle, and we did that in this instance, if
for some reason, we took a position now in the 21st century
when some of our adversaries may not be traditional state actors,
that we would not do our utmost to bring our prisoners of war
home that would break faith with the American people and with the
men and women who serve in uniform so
here we have the remember the President went to Afghanistan on
Memorial Day and he stood there with the troops and everything
and we're winding down the war and he comes back and then you
know all we got our last man the lot the wars winding down last
man. We're bringing him home. Let's
begin with how Beau Bergdahl is doing right
now. We know he's landed in Germany. What more can you tell
us about how he's doing his health?
Well, George, first of all, this is a joyous day, the joyous day,
he is now safely in American hands.
So joyous day, safely home now. Let's get it straight from the
horse's mouth. The guy who resigned over this but he still
has to do a couple of a couple of the quick hits. Here's
Anderson Cooper, with Jay Carney, The Last Man Standing
theory you do not have the luxury in a situation like this,
of opening a window and hoping that in 30 days, it's still
going to be open. This was touching go and has been
touching go for years. And when you have the opportunity to
execute this recovery of the last uniformed military last man
standing. Now I was already handed this this was their This
was their idea. This was their plan. But then when you get you
get Chip Gregory coming on and defending it as the last man
standing, then you know, that's the plan question that
I have that I think is a question for this debate for
today and moving forward is whether the circumstances
matter, or whether the United States or any commander in chief
will always be committed to rescuing a soldier from the
battlefield, no matter the circumstances. So the Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs, Martin Dempsey said, Look, this is an
American citizen, who is a soldier who's presumed innocent
in this circumstance, he was held prisoner. This war is
coming to an end. That's not what he said. But I'm saying
this is thanks, Jews, the wars clash, and then there was an
opportunity here to get that soldier off the battlefield. So
so we could have the big homecoming parade, which is just
now today's it's been cancelled. Here's what I think, John, and
I'm going to presume that these guys in the White House aren't
all that smart. There's hubris, they think all that that they're
that in a bag of chips. I believe that the in the military
is no fan of the Obama administration. We know this.
There's a lot of pruning and people have been getting kicked
out and all kinds of crap is going on. I believe that someone
laid out the strategy. Hey, I got a great idea. Valerie, you
probably did. Valerie Jarrett, this this has her achiness all
it does is you know, it's like hey, Valerie, what he'll go to
Afghanistan on, you know, upstanding with the troops
memorial day he'll come home. And then we bring home the last
uniform soldier. Everyone will love him Mission Accomplished
parade beautiful. And they fell for it. I think this was a
setup. I think someone said set the Obama administration up and
the media, that's all the media is talking about. So this feels
like a setup, hubris, idiocy. And I think people just
chuckling but
I think there's a lot I think that element exists. But I
haven't I have another thesis that I'd like to present. Sure.
And I believe that it fits in with your thesis if we maybe
take some assumption that the CIA has a hand in this by maybe
suggesting the idea to Valerie
Oh, and by the way, didn't the CIA guy get outed when the
President went to Afghanistan? This is all before Bo Diddley.
Yeah, are you going to out our guy? Oh, you know, you should go
rescue this guy.
But the CIA is practical too. They just don't do gags true. So
my thinking is that if you're watching, there's a good
dramatic you see it in movies and you see in TV shows the idea
where that murderer goes out and kills 10 people to cover up the
hit I hit right. In other words, one person was actually targeted
and a day off you skated by
Yes, we we've discussed this on the show previously as a theory
and this I'm thinking because the CIA knows is going to be
because Afghanistan thing is winding down this is not a
untrue and they're going to try to get everybody out of there
within the next couple of years. Somebody's got to run the drugs
for the CIA because this is like a big money making operation in
Afghanistan. That's what the pop that's what a lot of soldiers
regarding poppies, right. Yeah. Well, one guy have these five
and there were 15 Initially, and they picked it down to five.
Yeah, carefully chose five one guy was was the poppy guy was
the Big Papi guy.
Oh, wow, great. Fine. Only in the news for
the first day.
Which guy was it? It's this guy. It's are you holding up a
picture to the microphone? No, I'm
gonna try to read his name. Tali Bong, Poppy. Hi. It's karula
sade Wally Kerak. Wha, the one that's got saved and it sad.
That guy that funny looking guy, bald guy with the big beard is
the mean is looking of the three of the five I mean, that
Taliban say. Okay, I just want to see if I can find him mostly
what it looks like.
And a secret defence department memo that was published by the
telegraph, because you can still find this reference. detainee
was identified as a narcotics trafficker and probably used his
position and influence to become one of the major opium drug
lords in western Afghanistan de Tini probably use profits from
drugs to promote Taliban. So
that's our guy. Yeah.
This is the guy who was the chairman of Herat and a military
commander, but he was also the big drug guy. I believe that
they did a deal with him very good when they're, he's gonna
take over the drug business and they're gonna stay he'll stay in
Qatar he doesn't care. And then he'll go right in and he right
now I'm sure his people are setting up shop so that you
know, they can run the place and that he's going back the other
guys are all noncom they're on inconsequential all four of
them. And this guy, here's a big deal.
This is a great find. I congratulate you. Thank you.
Hey, baby.
So what we'll probably see in the next
John was John Uh huh. Just one second. Just enjoy that for a
moment. That's that is fucking great. I mean, I completely
bogged on looking at these guys. Good work. All right, so that
makes total sense. Yeah. Now I had another just a brain fart
about this. Do you think that maybe this was ongoing that
maybe they would have used a couple of these Talabani guys to
trade for Ambassador the the Ambassador Chris Stevens.
Maybe it's always a possibility now could have been right? It
wouldn't have surprised me but I think the botch was I think that
it was a double screw job me because the CIA gets their guy
in there to run the drug business when they ousted the
people in or to watch it over. Watch over but then they also
get to embarrass Obama.
What is this a great day or what? It's a really it's a drugs
key common
B soldier in the country is bent out of shape.
No kidding man of now the What is this? H H M fic sent this to
me. This is me read this article to you. And Obama administration
official on Wednesday, suggestive members of Army
Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl Splatoon who have criticised him for
allegedly deserting his unit might be psychopaths. There you
go. So Brandon Friedman.
Oh, this was the I heard this. Yeah, yeah. Deputy Assistant
Secretary of Public Affairs at the Department of Housing and
Urban Development. Tweets, I believe
he got to do with anything quite sure.
Housing and Urban Development. He says, What if his platoon was
long on psychopaths on short on leadership? Me this this guy.
He has a platoon leader on I had to listen to this guy. He was on
Hannity's radio show no. And he went on and on about how this
everybody knows this is going to end the guy seemed like anything
but a psychopath. Of course, dad, Bo Diddley may have been
the psychopath at least I thought I watched O'Reilly grill
some guy. And all the people that asked an obvious question.
I just thought this was a jam because well, it's always
possible. This is an O'Reilly Bill O'Reilly asking about this
as if you're
a US soldier, and then you you slip under the wire with water,
food and a knife not even a gun and a compass. You gotta be
insane, right? Maybe this guy's crazy.
It's very possible. There's a lot of problems with Sergeant
Bergdahl. Yeah, that's
very possible every possible. But that has
given Ronnie credit for asking that question. Yeah, nuts.
I am from what I understand. There's video of him walking off
the base. They didn't have can you know, they have security
cameras everywhere. Apparently there's video of him just
walking away. Well, they
had a secret hearing, confidential hearing from the
defence department. Many of the US Senators went to it. And they
all came out of it to a barrage. This was on C span, a barrage of
reporters asking them each, you know, what was what would they
talk about? And everybody comes out and says didn't really talk
about anything. They showed a film of me guy look drugged.
Right, right. This is this is a long clip you can cut out you
just get a gist of it by playing the Saxby after secret meeting
clip where they're grilling this Senator
know he's obviously being reviewed from a medical
situation. And as to his medical condition that's going to
continue for a period of time, you can imagine somebody who's
been in incarceration for five years, has the potential to have
health issues. We were told that, that his there is no
intelligence that indicated that from a medical standpoint, his
life was in danger. So he is being analysed from that
standpoint, and there'll be further reporting coming out of
the Pentagon as that develops. What is your sense?
Now, you know, you nailed it. I'm done with this. You've
nailed it. This makes so much since they it's it is a twofer.
They had the kind of cute kind of MILFy mom kind of wacky, you
know, hippie dad, and he was they were right there with the
President when he announced it, you know, yo Oh, no they don't
do that nothing is by accident with these people. So it was set
up they had the big homecoming parade everything was good to
go. And and I think you're spot on like and we got to spring
this guy so we can keep the drugs flowing. The poppies gotta
keep coming. This is it. We're done. She I think so except for
our band camp girl. We have to play two clips from Marie Harf
they through to them. So when these things happen, oh, yeah,
like, let her do it. Screw it. Send her out there to defend
this crab. Well, I'm not gonna do it.
Does the State Department consider Bergdahl to be a
deserter at
the State Department? No, Lucas, look, what we said is we are
going to learn the facts about what happened here. We said very
clearly in a statement from the Secretary on Saturday that
Sergeant Bergdahl was an a member of the United States
military who volunteered to serve his country. We don't know
the facts about what happened yet on that day,
according to those randoms. But to me, it's a squamous company
Mesa city walked
there are other there are conflicting reports out there
about this law are there there are out go look googling on the
web, and you'll find a tonne of good on the web correctly.
This one time at bandcamp.
I stuck a flute in reports. The fact that the fact is we're
still establishing a fact pattern about what happened.
And the fact is, you know, when I was watching this, I will
admit to you right now, I Googled Marie Harf naked, I
really did. Of course, you're sick, like I hope there's some
some shot of her
naked Photoshop, but you can Photoshop or head on
anybody but there was not even a good Photoshop of her naked but
I was just because they had that close up and she gets all
flustered. It has a crush on her. I have a crush on it. I
just wanted to flick that hair back and whip off the nurse
glasses Ah,
how he ended up in Taliban captivity. So when he is able to
share those as Chairman Dempsey said today he will. He also said
like any American he is innocent until proven guilty. Our army's
leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred. In
the meantime, we will continue to care for him and his family.
So I think people need to be really careful about believing
every second or third hand report out there and also what
the President what the Secretary what Chairman Dempsey have said
regardless of how he went missing it is our responsibility
to him to bring him home period you say second
13 reports when his squad mates
this guy is not letting up I love they were there was like it
was like raw meat and wolves it was just And none of this makes
it on the air anywhere except for C span which is you know is
where we get it from served with him overseas said he walked off
Lucas I'm
sure some of them and you look there's a lot of loader and
telephone game that's being played here about what happens
not all the guys on national television last night his squad
mates but two mates were wait for it right?
I'm saying we don't know the fact pattern yet here.
fact patterns a new one fact the fact pattern is, I'm flying in
flag pattern. Nobody knows
exactly what happened that night as the facts emerge as he's able
to discuss them with the Department of Defence. We will
see where that takes that didn't happen five years ago. This is a
situation all this time five years to determine whether
there's a desert
tivity Lucas, I think he's probably the person who knows
best. What happened on that? Well,
I think his squad mates have the best indication.
I don't think that that's the
case. They don't know. Here's his squadmates No, no, no
anything. No nothing. And now and so now that just one more
short clip from her. She's just so funny. Um, just hold on. I'm
just imagining her naked again. Okay, we go
out easily. We're not going to get into specifics of the
agreement. But this is an agreement between the head of
the government of Qatar and the president, the United States.
I love this. So this is so whatever you do just this was
high level baby. Just tell him what was high level? Hey, this
was between our Commander in F in chief? Yeah. The President of
the United States. You don't question him? Who are you press
boy,
and very high level agreement,
high level agreement, very high level about
working to mitigate the notion that these five guys will be
able to return to the battle five guys, some of the detainees
to go to their to the expatriate or to third countries or to go
to their home countries have been put under some kind of
house arrest or here's the
press is trying to figure out what the deal is right. And then
she's really a high level deal. Shut up. You don't know the
deal. When
are they able to run through and get into the specifics of what
the agreement with Qatar look like? Why?
Because it's about the drug.
I don't know. Anyway, the Government of Qatar has been
very clear, again, because the highest levels of this
government
highest levels, you don't question the highest levels of
this government, that there's going to be severe
restrictions placed on them. I'm not going to outline what those
are. I'm just curious. And if you can't answer this, maybe you
can take the question. Why wouldn't the State Department or
the Obama administration be public about the terms of the
agreement with the cuttery?
It's good question. Thank you very much. There's some good
there are good journalists with good questions. It never makes
it into the front page. drawn air for some reason,
obviously involved very sensitive diplomatic
negotiation, all very sensitive here involving the Government of
Qatar, who was the one negotiating with the Taliban.
And getting to a place in a very short time window, as I said, as
General Dempsey said, the last best opportunity to save his
life where we could get an agreement here. So there are
reasons not to put out all of that, I think for probably very
good reason,
probably, maybe, I don't know, was the highest level. But just
least maybe,
you know, as more details are able to be shared, we will but
it surely if everything was on the up and up the cutleries
wouldn't care if the details of the summit do not a fair
assumption to make. We don't talk about
this is not a no, that's not fair. It's not fair. And this,
by the way, plays completely into your theory, John, because
the deal is, hey, those four guys now one guy, let him go.
Did you tell them many detainees we come back to their country
for a variety of reasons. But these aren't as high profile
cases as this one was, again, we feel assured by the by the
agreement we've put in place
for Marie, she I bet she popped the valley and right after that
one. For holy moly, boring, holy moly, that's rough that was
terrifies me. That was mean to her. That was just,
she deserves it. She you know, she could have dealt with it
much better. She could have said we don't have all the facts
right now. Because I get him. I'll come back. We'll have
another briefing. And then you can ask the other girl. I mean,
she could
ask the other girl I like, gosh,
you know, she made a mistake by trying to take this on.
Could you just ask the other girl please? Dum. Please ask the
other girl. I don't want him.
Like can't do it. Oh, man. There's one a couple of memes
that came out of this. I thought were interesting. One of them
were and this is only just bubbled up and I, you know, by
law did do this deal. Obama had to ask Congress, he didn't do
it. Right. They're
making a big stink about this. Well, some people say, Well, why
is that the NDAA law or have? No I think it is. I think it's a
part of the Defence authorization.
Obama has been pulling this stuff, this slight little
manoeuvres here and there, even though nobody's really making a
big deal. Well, again, he thought up so let's like let him
go
there. Well, they thought it was going to be slam dunk, big
celebration, mission accomplished wars over that
we're playing John Lennon, you know?
Yeah. Well, he didn't get over. So there's an impeach meme going
around? Yeah. Well, you knew that was good to hear in there.
I heard judge Jeanine that woman on the weekends have bring it
up. She brings it up a lot. And then when Marco Rubio came out
of the Senate hearing, unfortunate I have the clip of
it, but you can't quite hear it. But this woman sticks the mic in
front of him and says, is what Obama did in impeachable
offence. And Rubio, you can if you listen too hard, you can
hear but you can hear Rubio's answer. Rubio kind of weaselled
his way out of it, but by refusing pretty much refusing to
discuss it.
Well, I'm not talking about that. Right. I mean, that's not
something I've called for, quite frankly, this is we're not at
that level at this point. I think right now, the most
immediate concern that we have with regards to this is what
danger does now is that this is now posed to other American men
or women and uniform around the world.
You know, I don't see the point of impeachment, but I don't see
why go through it. What is it? Why spend all this time you
know, who cares? I think whatever. You know, you always
want to impeach these guys near the end. It's it's something
that makes sure it's somehow saying impeachment makes it gets
people all riled up and stuff, but it's useless. Even we didn't
we impeach Clinton.
Yeah, we did. Yeah.
No one even remembers that. All they remember is what he did.
You know, it doesn't matter. It's I think it's completely
pointless. Now, all these people are douche is the whole the
whole system is douche fide.
It's pretty douchey
it's very douchey. Hey, the Syria had an election
and stand that. But that there was a landslide.
Yes, Bashar Al Assad was reelected. And I did want to
point out that we have many listeners all over the universe
and several in Syria. And one of our producers there is I want to
second I have it here if you go to Syria vote.no agenda
notes.com. Syria vote one word. You'll see this is a producer
sub seven zero. And he sent in a couple pictures of from the news
Latakia so it's Syria vote yeah.no agenda notes dot coms
and you'll see seller aerations Damascus fireworks people on the
street everybody happy. There's also a little video down there
at the bottom, just a link to the video of Syrians in America
celebrating. And the way I understand it is from our
producers, the Syrians are very happy he was reelected.
And that's from our guy
from our guys. Yeah. From our guy in Syria.
And a lot of nice, they had a lot of nice fireworks. Yeah,
nice fireworks, a lot of people running
around just so you know. And this is what I was kind of
looking for. There were international observers at the
election. You won't be told this. Let me tell you who was in
Syria. For the first multi candidate presidential election.
observers were Eva Bartlett's from she's from North America,
Joseph loss Baker from Chicago. He's with the anti war
committee, the United National anti war coalition Judith bello
from the Administrative Committee of United National
anti war coalition. Elias has an F Palestinian candidate,
Canadian entrepreneur and activist Scott Williams,
international action centre, national coordinator of the anti
imperialist youth organisation from the US from fight
imperialism stand together. Dr. Paul la Rudy, former Fulbright
Hays lecture in law that the list goes on and on a lot of
international observers. But you will not hear this from anybody
and the way I read it, if I'm just listening to what our
producers say. And could this be some kind of, you know, the
Cohen tell being put on us. Yeah, maybe. But I think the
Syrians see it for what it is that it's obviously the United
States and probably Israel, or Ben and Turkey, who have been
messing around sending, you know, training al Qaeda sending
them in trying to mess it all up for this damn pipeline deal. And
they won and, and they've, they're kicking them out, and
they like Assad. Otherwise, I wouldn't have voted for him in
this number. And I'm just going to say I kind of have to believe
that this was a reasonably fair elections as fair as ours are
hanging chads.
Well, as fair as ours are, we have a situation here in San
Francisco where I think the guy got 70% of the vote. I think his
name is Jack Lew is in jail.
Yeah, there you go.
Got this huge, he got more votes than everybody else running for
one of these offices then is crazy corrupt guy has been found
out and all the rest of the stuff goes vote, which makes
some people think that these elections are just that they've
got access to the computer data or something. And they're back
ending these things. And putting, you know, the whatever
is programmed is what the results are. Yeah, it's a real
problem with some of these.
This is the electronic voting I mean, Syria, they you know, they
dip your finger in ink, we should go back to that here. We
need to Yeah, that would be the I'm not I'm way against computer
voting. I think that's a very
good idea. I mean, anyone who thinks oh, it's gonna be so much
easier. We vote on the internet,
please. And just and sometimes I'll hear like, Now, where are
these polling stations? And you know, some guy's backyard is
garage. Let me tell you a New Jersey. My polling station
wasn't some guy's garage. Yeah, this is not it's not abnormal.
But we somehow we make this?
No, most of the time. It was always it tended to be
especially in the bay, or I think everywhere. They say it
would be in a guy's garage. Yeah. And people would go there
and you'd probably trust the guy that is running these guys in
the house there. I mean, it's not gonna be it's harder to
corrupt that than it is a machine. Anyway,
um, I want a category to switch gears, Dick Clark, Richard Clark
with an E was on Democracy Now. And I rarely watch the show.
That's kind of your beat, if you will. Did you see this
particular episode, but
I was too busy watching the hearings. He has.
Well, of course, Richard Clark. Now he has a consultancy, right?
I'm sure he's in the consulting. Yeah,
he and he has it all for cyber as
well. He has just written a book. And it is called the sting
of the drone. And he was on Democracy Now for an hour an
hour promoting this book.
And he's democracy now not see through this guy
because they're all in come by Chris Hayes. They're all in
here. And he said something and I just went. And they said I was
crazy.
You also talk Richard Clarke about the drone disintegrating.
Are you talking about real technology here? How these
drones? I mean, you yourself when were the one that suggested
arming drones arming surveillance drones. But is this
real a drone disintegrating so that no one could detect it
after the attack?
It's not a programme that I know about. It may be a programme
that exists, but certainly not one that I know about
there, which means he knows about it. Obviously, I wrote
things in the novel, where I'm stretching the existing
technology, to where I think it's going. So that we can see
in the near future, what kinds of things we might be faced
with. And clearly one of them is if you want to do a drone
attack, that leaves no trace. That looks like a gas explosion.
That looks like could you do that? Car volume today is if you
use a drone attack, there's going to be fragments of the of
the missile. Well, what if the missile were designed to totally
disintegrate and disappear? So there would be no fingerprints?
No. Yeah. And we look like actually like a gas explosion,
like a house exploded out of gas, which even the guys from
Mythbusters couldn't make happen, like
the Hastings into it while you're at it. Yep. Well, the
technology does exist, and I think it could be used and
probably is being used in the US Marshals that are on aeroplanes,
they are armed and you know, you can't shoot a bullet through a
through an aeroplane. It's very, it can be annoying. They use
they use these special bullets, that that are called vertical
fractal fractal. There's some they fracture, or they just
rubber bullets. No, no, they use bullets. But when they hit
something, they essentially dissolve. You get to get a link
to these types of bullets, but they are they exist specifically
for uses. So you could actually kill somebody in an aeroplane
with this bullet, but it would not. So as it gets into the guy,
it's just a bunch of pieces think it's controlled
fracturing bullets? Is that what they're called? That could be
Yeah, you can look it up. It's on Google.
Google it on the web bitch,
can you a lot of criminals have decided that these are good
bullets, because you can use them in crimes and that bullet
does nothing left. It's gone. So you can't look at the bullet say
what came from this guy's gun. Now, I don't see why this same
material, which is a I guess it's a composite of some sort.
Which on upon impact, it does strange things can't be used for
a missile that would be used for we were just exactly what he
described. Maybe he's telling us something that we should be
knowing or pay some attention to. There's,
there's always he always has a reason for saying something.
Yeah, this guy's he's a piece of work. I just thought it was
interesting to specifically call out my theory of the exploding
houses blow a blow up into smithereens, which the
MythBusters has not even been able to replicate
no Mythbusters, which, you know, I don't think they're 100% on
the money on everything. But they have not been able to do
that. And it's always seems sketchy to me, you need a
perfect oxygen gas combination to get a good explosion. And the
kind of exposure you have is is still limited by the amount of
hydrocarbons that are in within the explosive material. In other
words, if you don't I mean you can have a big explosion but
it's not going to be an atom bomb. No. And some some of these
things blow up like it's ridiculous. I mean, there's it's
not doesn't seem right. And of course
you know, when we talk about these things, obviously it all
falls under the crazy conspiracy theories, crazy conspiracy
theories. And wouldn't you know it? NPR has a whole piece
running this week about conspiracy theories. I think we
should listen to this
and your social science correspondent Shankar vedantam.
Muffin drops by with juicy new research. He's here with us
again shot
juicy new research. Juicy new research. He's a scientist with
juicy new research.
What's on your mind?
I want to talk about conspiracy theories today. David, by
the way, if you have a British voice or Scottish then it sounds
so much more authentic. And you can say words like canard and
farce.
And this is everything from whether the US government was
secretly behind the 911 attacks. Yes. To where the President
Obama was actually born in the United States. Oh, what
proportion of the US population would you say subscribes to one
of these theories? Oh, John.
I don't know. I have no idea half at least. Wow.
You're good.
10 15% Maybe
I don't know. Yeah, I would have guessed at most 20% And that's
why this new research by Eric Oliver and Thomas wood at the
University of Chicago took me aback. They find that 50% of the
country subscribes to at least one of these conspiracy
theories. You're good John,
which keeps the show going.
But I would consider that our national treasure. And this is
they marginalise everyone to such a degree that I now just
morons. 18%, maybe 10.
Well, yeah, the marketers department must go nuts when
they get real numbers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. Like,
what?
How about there's no agenda, guys? Can we get them on? We'll
just bleep out the curse words.
So 19% of Americans believed the US government was behind the 911
attacks. 25% believed the recent financial crisis was caused by,
you know, the small cabal of Wall Street bankers. 11% of
people believe that government is mandating a switch to compact
fluorescent light bulbs, because the light bulbs make people
obedient and easy to control.
Now, I hadn't heard that one, but I'm in it I'm in but it only
works if the water is also fluoridated, that you have to
have that combo. Wow.
Well, I wonder if it's worth reminding people exactly what a
conspiracy theory is, now knows how I think about it. And
this is interesting. So what is a conspiracy theory? Question?
Well, if so the word conspiracy conspire is stems from breathe
together. Which means that the conspiracy theory in general,
the way it's applied, is that I as a conspiracy theorist would
theorise that there are people conspiring breathing together to
do something on some level. That is the definition of conspiracy
theory. But they're going to take this into a whole new
level, the scientist conspiracy
theory is where you believe in a theory where no matter how much
disconfirming evidence comes in, you somehow convert that
disconfirming evidence into part of the conspiracy. Now,
I'm just gonna have to call big time. Bullshit. Now what a
conspiracy theory is. This is a scientist,
this is about global warming.
So with Barack Obama's birth certificate, for example, the
moment the birth certificate came up from Hawaii, the people
who believe that Barack Obama was not born in the United
States would say, the Hawaiian hospital now is in on the
conspiracy as well. Conspiracy
theories have been around for a while. I mean, there are
questions about whether Pearl Harbour was a way to get the
United States into World War Two. I mean, there are questions
about JFK assassination. You're not saying that 50% believe in
all these things, but just a 50% of Americans believe in at least
one conspiracy theory. Yeah, I
think what this research is suggesting is that the
willingness to believe in one of these theories is really
widespread across the spectrum and different groups of people
may believe different theories. But the propensity to believe
seems really widespread. Where's that propensity come from? Well,
that's what the research was trying to address. And you know,
the stereotype about people who believe such theories is that
they are poorly educated or superstitious or that they are
political partisans. It turns out the consistent predictor of
such beliefs is something that you might almost call an All
American attitude and belief in individualism, distrust of
authority, and together those things translate into a desire
to avoid being controlled by large secret forces. So
in other words, we're I'm a patriot. That's it. It's an
American thing.
Well, you know, the cyber surprise you didn't catch this.
It's after you gave me all the kudos for the drug guy. I'm
gonna have to tell you something that it's just very slightly. I
slightly annoying, but at the same time, it doesn't really
surprise me. The Lancet. Yes, yep. The Lancet came out with
some studies, not only condemning the use of fluoride
in water.
It's very specifically talked about this. Harvard even has
this research.
Well, they're now telling people to get it out of their watershed
as fast as they can.
Yeah, no, we did talk about this on the show. When I didn't pay
any attention. At Harvard. It's a it's a The Lancet and A
Harvard study say it when the guys were protesting over the
winter. This is when this came out. This is when this is when
we were talking about it. Because no one cares,
you could march 2014 thing so it's newer.
No, it's it's it's newer, but it's later than the Harvard
study. Okay, so but it's irrelevant. You can say this a
million times I had two people in Austin saying we Florida
Water and according to Harvard study and analyse the lancet is
no good. Theory The good control you're prone to No, no, I just
don't want to be medicated without asking for it. That's an
unnecessary and it's very bad for people with thyroid issues.
Very bad. All right. In in the UK, it's like all they're
finding in their water over there is cocaine. As everyone
everyone's snorting coke. Ken It's in the in the in all the
wastewater is at all what's the main ingredient? I had it in the
show notes last I don't know on last week yeah this whatever the
main and of course the main ingredient cocaine I'm sure was
not cocaine I'm sure it's you know some stupid chemical they
put in 620 to me see what that is you're chemists you should
know these things
I don't know everything you do know even close yeah
you do you know lots of thing here maybe I haven't here Euro
land yeah London is the cocaine capital of Europe.
That explains the pound being a buck 67
European Drug Report 2014 analysed the sewage system of 42
cities for traces of the drug and found the English capital
London had the highest cocaine use of any city tested with
consumption of the drug appearing to peak on a Tuesday.
That's right and notice that is right in between no agenda shows
by the way. Yeah, I'm tweaking man, I gotta die. I don't want
that. I get no show. The samples which are taken and tested
during the week in 2013. To provide a forensic snapshot of
drug use found London was one of the cities with the highest use
of ecstasy as well. London sewage water contains 711
milligrammes of benzo Ben's benzo Bennink, Joy leg gunning.
Yeah, I'd
have to look at it and read it for you.
Yeah, did you get it benzo? Like, like, I
don't I didn't Don't sit in here just listening. I don't have an
abandoned
Zoie let co Guinean whatever the main chemical in cocaine. Why
isn't cocaine the main chemical and cocaine?
The cocaine is just kind of a brand name. Oh,
really? What is its benzo? Like go go cocaine. I guess the I can
imagine that. Hey, man, let's do some benzo. Like,
no one's gonna be able to use this stuff because you can't
pronounce it. In general,
cocaine and ecstasy were more popular drugs in Western and
some southern cities while crystal meth remain the most
popular in Eastern Europe go Ukraine. However, overall use of
the drug has continued to decline in countries such as
Denmark and the United Kingdom after peak in 2008. Well, yeah,
that's after all the bankers got fired 11 Out of the 12 countries
also reported falls and cocaine use and surveys undertaken
between 2000 to 2013 Interesting that also a lot of
illegal voting well for anything people shouldn't be so all
geared up wired up on cocaine, it's just not a not a healthy
product. No,
it will then there's the UK as well. Prominent GP deaths spend
says in response to the UK happy pill prescriptions top 50
million. We do over prescribe pill prescriptions.
No, yeah, no, I think your theory again, I'll give you
another more kudos which i i bring up in conversation at the
dinner table.
Do you do you bring up my name and relationship? Isn't it a
buck 67
in the pounds where the buck 67 because the banks are all being
propped up by drug money. The British banks
which is why they have to put it on the GDP now. Right. We know,
we know that the American economy was saved essentially by
the drug money and it's legal and illegal drugs is both Yeah.
And has it ever been any different really? Well, I don't
know what the East India Company was about. I mean, okay, so yes,
coffee may not be the biggest drug but coffee, cocoa, tea,
everything the trade is always based on Happy stuff.
The real reason you drink have tea time in the afternoon it is
certain
hours to take is for your opium it's for years
to get over the little circadian cycle hump where you get kind of
drowsy around three o'clock right after
after the your your benzo was wearing off, you know. And
before we go to the ecstasy, have a little bit of tea.
Probably not that as alcohol it's every commerce is
I think the old crow reserve Yeah, it
all economies revolve around drugging them people because
that's the one thing you is guaranteed.
Well, that's the only way they can get by
that in our show. Oh, there you go. They're both very addicted.
That's exactly right. I don't know why I hit that one I'm in.
I'm gonna show my school by Jonah. No agenda. Imagine all
the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun
even Coke, Coca Cola at one point that was cocaine wasn't
cocaine. Yes. What was called Kocha. Trevor Lewis in Langley
British Columbia. Want to thank some people for helping us out
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Crohn's disease vaccine being tested in Canada. He wants to
alert people to this because apparently I don't know if it's
if you already have Crohn's disease I don't know how vaccine
can do anything it's got to be some sort of a curative whatever
the case is a look into it if you get these problems. Benjamin
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thing I don't want to get into the game as being the first time
don't it doesn't mean you've been a douche. It's your douche
is are the ones who have been called for years and years and
years and get called out for it. True. He started listening to
the show like you know six months ago and you finally give
true that's pretty much the model but
somebody if you feel dirty, like Harry Reid, if you feel unclean,
I can
accept that. Maxwell Frey. 6942 out of Brooklyn, New York. I
write to you stoned and drunk hence the donation amount of 69
for 20. Pretty cool, huh? And he doesn't sound that drunk or
stoned in this note.
I was surprised there's not a lot of double nickels on the
dime that came in today. Yeah, no,
it was weird. He says he thinks there's a drone been circled
around his house. I don't go outside anymore without
disguises. So the drone doesn't know where did you did you see
there was a second people should know this. I didn't take any
clips from it because most of them was repetitive. But there
was a second interview with Snowden. That went to Brazil. I
Brazilian. Yeah. And it was pretty much the same stuff is
that there's a number of different things. One, he still
says he works for the government and incorrect it. Yep. And the
other one they asked him if he ever if he uses disguises when
he roams around and he says he'd rather not say and the third one
which there was actually three things. The third thing was he
was literally begging the Brazilian moderator for for
asylum for asylum in Brazil. Yeah,
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thank you for supporting the programme. Last night as I was
prepping around 10 o'clock. And I'm typically in my office I got
this corner thing of the office studio. It's the corner thing
under the tree. So I got to Windows and all sides which as
we know we're kind of open and all the pollen and stuff comes
in. And I see a police vehicle going by with his lights on. And
he stops at the corner like he's waiting for somebody. But maybe
it's just me. But at what point did someone on the police force
save themselves? You know that regular flashing blue light
that's just not enough. I mean, they said he had flashing blue
and red and his blinkers are going are alternating and he's
got like a blink strobes and little like, like landing strip
like drip drip drip. I mean, do we do they think that we didn't
get the idea of the regular flashing blue lights?
Well, it used to be red lights, red light and sirens I mean,
but but this the whole car was like it was like a Christmas
tree Texas has
the a lot of these cars. What is the point all car lights up like
a light show? What
is the point? In fact, I'm not even intimidated anymore. I'm
like, You look like a dick. I mean, you need you just need
spinning rims on that thing. It's crazy. What thinking goes
into that. It's very strange. And they
find it very annoying because at night it actually blinds you to
unsafe.
Yeah, well and they're just sitting there on the corner
right on because we're a corner house right on the corner for 10
minutes with all these lights literally. flip, flip, flip,
flip.
What was the point of that?
I guess they were waiting for somebody but you know, they
never show up. I mean, no, no, they don't a truck. Maybe the
donut truck didn't show up after 10 or 15 minutes. If you As
drove off, and I liked the Austin PD in general, I mean,
I've only had good experience anyway. You know,
they're okay. Yeah, so far. Of course, there's
always there's dishes everywhere, but I find them to
be quite they fit in with Austin. They're quite helpful.
But of course, that could be dicks too, as with everything,
but I'm not against them. But this is I'm against this. That's
just stupid. And I think it makes you look less
authoritarian. Like, this is like the circus coming to town.
Really stupid. So today is June 5.
Eve, that should be a diet, you play your theme
I could play that's not a minor one, minor ones. Today, today is
June 5, and I've been receiving these emails for weeks. And at
the same outfit that was doing what were they they were for net
neutrality. f f t f. They are fight for the future.org. And
I'm sure you didn't know about it. But you know, this is
another fine nonprofit. And of course, I tracked him down to
see where the money's coming from. Today is grabbed this clip
today is reset the next day. Did you not know this, John? I did
not know this. Now. Here's their little commercial. It's
animated. We use
the internet to be ourselves. But governments are building a
prison around it. We have to stop them. But how's
this? Oh, stop, stop. Is this one of those things with a
drawing on the screen?
No, not. But it's similar to that except that stick figures
that are already pre drawn and animated. Okay, it's almost as
bad. They seem
so vast and powerful. But government spies have a
weakness. They can hack anybody. But they can't hack everybody.
Folks like the NSA depend on collecting insecure data from
tapped fibre. They depend on our mistakes, mistakes, we can fix
the plan?
I think right there, what they what they just said. Folks like
the NSA depend on let me just roll that back because that gave
it away from me who was going to be behind this. I have a
weakness. They can hack anybody. Or they can hack everybody
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All right now, is I'm looking at this and like, Where's this
coming from? And why? Well, so this is from the fight for the
future.org I won't bore you with the details, but you gotta fight
for the future.org if you contribute to them, you will be
giving to the Centre for rights which is fully funded by the new
organisation Institute Education Fund. We which you can find it
new organising.com u.yes.com, not even.org, New organising.com
Which this? This is clearly part of a Silicon Valley push who are
freaking out that people are starting to understand what
privacy really means. It's no accident that Google comes out
with some promise of maybe somehow going to do is what they
call end to end encryption, which I don't think is going to
be exactly what we think it is. But we'll wait until we see the
implementation. The the Silicon Valley is seeing that people are
waking up to their business model. And they're starting to
catch on to it and they're not really liking it. And they've
sent this big letter at me Oh, Obama, you know, the NSA is
making us look bad and it's true.
And now that they're losing overseas business for sure time
overseas business. Yeah. And and quite honestly, it's because
your business model of stealing information well, that's not I
won't even say that of trading, but in a nefarious way, not
really being super upfront, but hiding it in your terms of
service and all this bullcrap it people are figuring out, you
know, I don't really need Google don't really need all this
stuff. I don't have to maybe I need some pieces of it, or some
pieces are good. I don't really need to have your whole
ecosystem and have you suck up every piece of me. Marc
Andreessen was on CNBC and I kind of liked this piece,
because he's one of the few guys that will just go out and say
it. And he's really pissed. Snowden as a trader. And by what
happened to Marc Andreessen, I remember when he sent me back
when he's in school he sent me the first HTTP was like version
1.3. Or something of a what
happened to John but is being very large and bald. Yeah. And
just like a like a creepy. Yeah, creepy. Creepy. That's creepy
where
we are in Silicon Valley this morning. We caught up with Marc
Andreessen and talked about the NSA and Edward Snowden.
Obviously, he's a traitor. Like is if you look up in the
Encyclopaedia trader, like there's a picture of Yvette
stone.
All right, yeah. Okay. Mark, go. Like it's he's like a textbook
trader.
They don't get much more trader than that. I will say I'm in the
district minority out here. Like I think most people in Silicon
Valley would would would pick the other designation.
And you think he's a traitor? Because
Because he stole national security secrets and gave them
to everybody on the planet.
Do you know what was happening though? Do you feel that he can
pay attention here, because he doesn't think Marc Andreessen
doesn't really care about what he did? He cares about what he
did to Silicon Valley? And how he basically broke the hole.
Shut up already. Yeah, we know that we're given stuff to the
Feds and you know, but it's all part of the deals working out
perfectly. That's why Andreessen, thanks,
expose something that you didn't know.
So I think people this is something I've gotten people
have gotten very upset at me for saying this. I think that
he likes people being upset at him, too. He likes to say that
people are upset at me. And I think he's a loner. He's
a maverick.
I think if you actually follow the NSA, I think if you actually
read the books and the articles and understood the history, I
think he generally assumed that they were doing pretty much
everything that's come out. And so I big surprise for me was the
people were so shocked, because I thought we'd been funny. Let's
say stop,
stop, stop, stop, stop. Let's just look at that logic for a
second. If you read all the books and papers and all the
rest, everything that's come out you already assumed so how's he
a traitor? Then? He just bringing out information that
everybody already knew
because he stole Doc is but he was angry said means the
subtext. Yeah, I
know, you're what you're saying I think is correct. But I'm just
pointing out to the illogic of what he's saying. In terms of
his conclusion. A head
is so big. Yeah. And but it also has like, he has Celie missings.
He has cellulite on his head.
Is All that's missing is big Boyle's
exactly nailed it for 50 years, but has 10s of 1000s of
employees and spends 10s of billion dollars a year.
No, I'm sorry, I thought that was you, John, I'm sorry. Oh, my
God, I'm hearing voices in my head,
fighting this agency for 50 years that has 10s of 1000s of
employees and spends 10s of billion dollars a year. You're
not uncomfortable. I thought they were spying? I mean, that
was my impression. Yeah. Because? Well, I just thought
that that's what they were doing. I mean, I thought that
that was the I thought everybody knew that. And so I gotta say, I
am surprised that there is such a high level of shock. Some of
the shock, I think it's fake, right. So like foreign
governments getting all upset. Like I think that's for domestic
political consumption. I think the Germans knew full well what
was happening, the Brits knew full well, what was happening.
The Russians knew full well what was happening. And of course,
they do either many, or all the same things themselves. Here it
comes. I think there's no question though, that a lot of
Americans were very surprised.
And its implications out here. visa vie, trying to do business
abroad. Yeah,
very serious and very worrying. And I would say in two
categories. So first is just American technology companies
get a huge amount of revenue from outside the US. In fact,
some of these companies get up to 70% revenue outside of the
US. And there's a big open question, right now, how
successful our companies will be when they go sell products
overseas. And I think there's a lot of foreign countries that
are very envious of Silicon Valley and Americans dumb
domination of tech and wish that they could implement
protectionist policies. And they're going to use this whole
affair as a reason to do that. And I think that's an excuse.
That's an excuse as an excuse.
What should President Obama do? And you have been very critical
of him.
Well, that's that's the big issue is right now, as far as I
can tell, there's no plan. There's no plan. There's no
strategy. There's no tactics. There's no nothing like the
Snowden reveals. Just keep coming out. The administration
is just letting they're letting the NSA I think hang out to dry.
I think they're letting American tech industry hang out to dry.
Like I don't I've not met anybody in American technology
industry who feels like the White House has a plan. It's
just happening.
I think it's about time. It's about time y'all got knocked
down a few pegs. With your business model that is sketchy
at best, it's time. That's why I like most of what Apple does,
because they just charge you a lot of money. Yeah, we'll charge
you a lot of money. And then this is our model, we're not
really, you know, they may have shit built in the back end, or
what I don't know what they have to do, since Steve died and all
cards off the table. But in general, I think apples and bar
business is to sell you expensive stuff. And now they're
trying to build in some other things, whatever. But here is
Marc Andreessen is nightmare. This is the nightmare, because
kids are figuring this out. And they're figuring it out in two
steps. One, they they, they learn about the NSA, and the
spying and what's legal and what's not legal. And then the
logical conclusion is now hold on a second, this is happening
through these companies, and they've given it away, and, oh,
we have to give it away. And then one day, they might wake up
and say, Hey, I could run my own mail server. I don't have to use
Gmail, what a concept. Here is a teen caught on video, talking to
Nancy Pelosi. And she is not prepared to answer these
questions.
Why do you support the NSA illegal and ubiquitous data
collection?
And this is one of these tours, you know, where they'll come
look at my office and you know, and awesome, that's good. Why do
you support the NSA is illegal spying?
Well, I do know, I had questions about the metadata collection
that they were collecting, unless they had a reason to do
so. So I found I was wondering, I didn't support and support
Amash, that resolution. I didn't think that was the appropriate
resolution. But I do think that the burden is on this, the
department and I have fought them for years on the community
for them for years, on a wide swath that they have put out
there, you did
vote for a bill to continue funding for the NSA though.
It was just one of those Breitbart kids or something like
hey, go ask these questions. It's good.
National Security Agency, they do men in
violation of the Fourth Amendment know
some of what they should, what they do should be subjected to
scrutiny and some of the things but they perform many other
functions, as well. And we hold them to a high order. And I've
had my biggest fight here than in the intelligence community
with the director of the NSA. Hayden when he was the director.
I don't think he was on the level with us. But that doesn't
mean that there aren't other things that are there that are
that are good things that are that are necessary for us to
have. But from 911 on the Bush administration went too far. Oh,
yes.
It's the Bush administration. Of
course, blame it on bush.
We had correspondence back and forth to prove or to demonstrate
that. They were just say,
alright, so she says, I don't really have an answer. But she
leads us into our next topic, which is the brand new director
of the NSA. We have not really seen him in public. Admiral Mike
Rogers. Interesting. His name is Mike Rogers. Yeah, I know. I
like that. And if he he's either on Coke, Adderall, or both. It
looks like also like it hasn't slept in five years. And he's
jumpy, and he's, and he is invited on and it's interesting
that this was on C span. A forum moderated by Bloomberg. And I
was actually I liked this a lot. The girl who was doing this
moderation, the young woman I should say, what's going to
Trish rate Regan?
Oh, Trish. Yeah. I used to work at work. She used to be a
regular market watch. Well, first of all,
she she is. I mean, this is if we were putting together a
television channel, she would be number one.
She's very good. She's fantastic
at
CNBC, and then she moved on. And she was
CBS. She was at the CBS Evening News, I guess, and contributed
to Face The Nation. And now she's a Bloomberg. I mean, she
must have done something wrong.
Because she'd done AI you know, they gave her her own show at
Bloomberg. Yeah. And and I used to try to watch it. But every
time I tuned into it, she was never on the show. It was sort
of guy so I think she went over to she got a good deal went to
Bloomberg naively. And then I think they they fucked with her
because I don't know why.
Well, she handled herself really well with it because there was a
whole bunch of people she was interviewing on stage and I have
to point out smokin hot am she plays it well, she got the you
got the skirt on and everything to lots of leg, which probably
made the admiral nervous because you These guys Yeah. And he's in
his uniform. And he's actually in an admiral uniform. This is
the thing that gets me. So he's like a sailor. It's all white.
What he's doing is he's wearing his dress row. Why? Yes, yes,
his wife was, there was an award ceremony?
Well, I don't know, he's raised whites, and he's got his braids
and everything, and the whole thing is decked out and good to
go. And I pulled two clips from this. Just to give you a little
bit of a feel about what our new director of the NSA is about.
This is his take on Snowden and the law.
I spoke with your predecessor, Keith Alexander, just yesterday
on the phone. And he expressed the concern that he thought Ed
Snowden was at some point, it's a question of when working for
someone else. Possibly the Russians, he might be working
for them right now. I mean, do you think that's a theory,
that's important to explore?
Clearly, we're gonna need to run it on the ground, you know, my
coma would be be part of the dialogue, if you believe in
this, use the power of the law, and the structures of our
society to make your case? The answer is not for any one of us
to unilaterally decide that I'm the All Knowing Oracle, who
knows everything that I'm in the best position to decide what is
right or wrong. Be leery of a society in which everyone
unilaterally can do that.
Wait a minute. Isn't that the whole point? That anybody can
say, Hold on a second, this is wrong. He's saying Be leery of a
society. Hmm. What's he talking about?
The law, the quote, the Constitution, that document
provides a framework for us as to how we're going to organise
as a government, as well as how we're going to settle disputes
through this framework we call the law.
I'm not quite sure what he's saying here. But something
constitution, which means shut up about everything else.
And I urge all of us as citizens to use that framework. If
there's something that you feel strongly about, make your case
make an argument articulated
jail if you do that this would happen to the all the NSA
whistleblowers
exactly the point but he has, he wants to read a different
document or something I don't know.
Because maybe he doesn't know who he's talking. She's talking
about Boeing about.
Make Your Case, make an argument. articulate your
viewpoint is nuts, like do it within the framework that we all
have to use if we're going to exist as a society, if we're
going to function as a nation. Be aware of the chaos associated
with all of us unilaterally deciding what we want to do,
what we don't want to do, what laws we're going to obey what
laws we're going to choose to disobey. That just comes across
to me as incredibly arrogant saps slave. This guy is
really weird. Let me just play one thing in the middle of
wishes a bunch of the NSA whistleblowers who were Binney
and all these other guys that we've heard about, we've heard
from that said, don't talk to the FBI. They make your life
miserable if you try going through channels to do
whistleblowing, which is advocating and Obama does the
same thing. He says the same thing and these guys have all
gotten screwed who tried to do it? They brought up this read
the clip is hidden.
Oops. Did I lose you? John? Hello. Oh, no. John Claude, you
have made a canard. Ah, actually, that sounded like a
power outage on his end to be quite honest. But what I will do
is I will play his clip, hidden government and hopefully he'll
come back by the time we're done. That is to shut us up.
They took our computers anything written notes, any records that
we had in hopes of finding something that they could use
against us
the to resign from the NSA, but say the retaliation continued as
high level security contractors each time they were hired by a
government agency. They said their contracts were terminated.
It was years before Edward Snowden provided proof through
leaked documents. The US government was conducting mass
surveillance on ordinary Americans we are at a severe
crisis point process of the pair is now part of a group launching
a website exposed facts.org Its aim is to shed light on hidden
government activity.
And we definitely didn't get him back that yeah,
that was weird.
I just finished the clip.
Yeah, they're getting government. Yeah. Yeah. Did you
just you can't be knows Yeah,
nobody, you can't do it.
Nobody knows anything about this either. But That's the hidden
government.org That sort of site if you're a whistleblower want
to be one, you're probably better off going through them
than you are going through any of these channels.
And then we have one more clip of Admiral Mike Rogers, where
you can hear him lying. This is always fun and made you kind of
got to watch this guy's if you see him, you'll see it's got big
dark circles under his eyes. And it's heads going from left to
right. And he's drugged, not something he's just speedy and
hard to explain. But he doesn't come across as a stately
military guy in his whites at all. And so here we have Tricia,
Trish die with them. If you ever die, I'm getting her on the
show.
Sorry, if you didn't know she was the one who was the host of
the marijuana special that they did on CNBC. I don't care. I'm
just saying she'll look
great on the album art. crackpot and hottie. And she pushes,
although, unfortunately, she goes she leads the witness,
which is something I hate doing. I hate to seeing someone do
especially if her stature. I don't feel she needed to do
this. You'll hear it in the clip about the facial recognition,
which was exposed by our friend portress in the New York Times,
although I'm not quite sure what she was really exposed. But the
inference was the NSA slurps up images all day long, and throws
them through the facial recognition system, which I will
point out Google slurps up images all day long. They host
copies of images on their image search. And Facebook. AI has
facial recognition working as we speak, Mickey uploads a picture
of me, it automatically tagged me in the picture.
Another good reason not to use Facebook,
I'm hating this and I'm I'm actually I'd say Mickey please,
no more I don't want to be I just don't want to be uploaded
anymore. There's just no it's Screw this. That's really
frightening. Anyway, so Trisha is going to talk about this very
topic. And she she leaves the witness and gets the expected
answer, although the lie is apparent.
So let me ask you about new reports that show the NSA is
using facial recognition technology to monitor people.
How does a programme like that work?
We use fabled facial recognition as a fable,
fable recognition. I know he did to help us
understand these foreign intelligence targets we work.
Counter Terrorism is another big area, this is probably had more
impact for us in the counterterrorism arena than
anywhere else. So it's a big deal where we see entities
through our signals intelligence capabilities. And we will know
them digitally, if you will. But we want to see if we can try to
understand them more broadly, to help our enable our broader
efforts to bring them to justice and to forestall their ability
to conduct attacks against ourselves and our allies. And
friends. In other words, yeah, we use fake facial recognition
everywhere. To track people
in the world around us.
What is he talking about bringing them to justice? If
they committed a crime? Why don't they go just go out and
arrest them?
Because it's a made up it's made up in them to
justice that
was just made up, man undo it. It's all
their ability to conduct attacks against ourselves and our allies
and friends and the world around us. We do not if I could just
one thing Shut up. We Trish,
Trish. I never lie, though. I'm suspicious. Now. Trish?
We do not do this in some unilateral basis against US
citizens. We do access stereo at one point I saw someone say,
well, they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles.
You don't?
Trish really? You didn't have to do that. Why are you defending
the NSA? I liked you so much.
Did you notice his wording? Oh, yeah, no, it's
gonna get better. It's gonna get better with the word and gets
even better citizens.
We do access. Estelle at one point I saw someone say, well,
they must be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles.
You don't Don't? Don't I'm like, No, we don't do that. We have
very specific restrictions when it comes to us persons. We have
to operate under a legal
framework, but you don't have access to driver's licence, you
don't have access to passport photos. You would would have
access to some of those things. I
mean, when we're talking about for US persons
we're talking about for USPS he has to say three times we're
talking about for US persons but for US persons right for us
persons right. In other words, yeah, they have access to the
DMV and the passport pictures. They just saying we don't use
them against US persons without permission, but they have total
access.
I think they I think the most still the best phrases used is
we You do not do this on a unilateral basis? Yes. And that
means he's in, you know, in bed with Facebook, Google, or
whoever else has a huge cache of photos and pictures. What is
that?
What does he explain to me the exact meaning of unilateral
basis,
that means we're doing it on our own. We're doing it by
ourselves. We're not hey, we're we're unilaterally means you're
unilateral. I'm just gonna do this. Screw any my partners or
anybody's I'm doing it. And if you're not unilateral, that
means you're multilateral, meaning you have other people
involved in the process.
And it would only make sense seeing as the director of FBI
has an office at Facebook, right? You know, that these
guys,
anytime somebody uses the word unilateral, as they're, as
they're out there, then there that's, that's a scam, let's
back
it up a little to that again, and the
world around. You do not if I could just finish one thing,
Trish, we do not do this in some unilateral basis against US
citizens.
Which means we do it in a multilateral basis against US
citizens. By having our partners Marc Andreessen funded companies
like Facebook and Google and Uber and whatever else they're
into. This is the connection that people have to start
making. This is the connection people.
Access. Estelle, at one point, I saw someone say, well, they must
be accessing Department of Motor Vehicles. You don't? I'm like,
No, we don't do that. We have very specific restrictions when
it comes to us persons. We have to operate under a legal
framework.
We have access to driver's licence, you don't have access
to passport photos. You wouldn't would have access to some of
those things. I mean, what
we're talking about for US persons do this for
us. Why is she saying Correct? Trish versus
again, why our mission is as the NSA is very explicit. Foreign
intelligence and information assurance, foreign intelligence,
connected, we have to do anything involving a US person,
we have specific legal constraints we must comply with.
We just don't unilaterally decide, Hey, today, I'm going to
go after Citizen X, Y or Z. We don't do that. We can't legally
do that.
But there are people that you know, you wanted to target
in the dip. Let me finish one thought before I forget. And
we'll get shut up. Clearly, in the digital age, we will
encounter American persons in the wilderness out there so to
speak. Hey,
hey, I'm an American person out here in the wilderness. I hope
you don't bump into
this guy is real old school navy. Oh, yeah. I mean, the Navy
guys, the commanders, the ship captains, there's a whole group
of them. They're the Navy elites, the ones who are in
position commander, because you can be an admiral but not be in
command position. And these guys are, I just told this when I was
working for the air pollution district, we used to go from
ship to ship to give these guys tickets, and for blowing their
smoke out of their stacks. So to speak. And they got you go in
there and you meet the captain is usually a commander or maybe
sometimes captain in rank. And I was told this by the some of the
ex Navy guys that worked at the district after my first
experience. And they said this guys are the most arrogant
pricks. You have ever run into these guys that are in this in
the certain command positions in the Navy, they have a certain
quality about them. That is just what this guy is exuding kind of
an arrogant prick that you just hear it coming out of him. It's
just he's trying to have a conversation.
Yeah. And American citizens, you might encounter them in the
wild. You know, there's only 300 million of us and we might
encounter them in the wild, so to speak,
we have specific restrictions about what happens once we do
encounter US persons. In broad terms, we got to stop what we're
doing
in broad terms. That's actually a very narrow term. But okay,
if we come to the realisation that somebody that we're
monitoring that we're tracking is a US connection that we were
unaware of, in broad terms, we have to stop what we're doing.
We have to assess the situation. And if we think there's a legal
basis to this, then we have to get a legal authority or
justification to continue legal justification.
Yeah, this is the same bullcrap we've been hearing from the
beginning he's just somehow I guess he's up did he they're
testing to see if he's up to speed with his I don't think
he's gonna last John. I don't think this is gonna He's gonna
mess it up. Something's gonna it's not gonna
last as arrogant as it sounds like he is he's not gonna last
because he's gonna act the same way. You know, you can do it
with Treasury, Reagan or anybody, any reporter you can
act like a jerk. But if he goes in front of Congress at least
these these other characters in front of Congress are reticent
you know, they shouldn't be on Valium. If this guy goes in
front of Congress and starts talking like this in front of
John McCain.
They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna eat him alive.
They're gonna kill him. Yeah, they're gonna just go on and on
and on. It's gonna be very it's gonna be ugly. It'd be great for
us. But ya know, this guy you might you might be right out I
think he has. He has the chops for it. He doesn't know how to
back off is because is kind of brazen, arrogant, arrogant
quality. It's ludicrous. It just comes right through the clip
and I like Trish so much but once he started leading him on
well then you don't even have that you can do that. No, you
don't have the right commitment and I trash
so cherish love affair is over you
know a Cheryl.
I don't know a Cheryl Cheryl Atkinson.
at
ABC. Maybe
she's the she's the the journalist that quit CBS, CBS I
think I'd have to look. Yeah, no, she so she quit CBS. He said
I wasn't allowed to do my stories. And she, yeah,
she's I don't know her.
Well, she's, she's older. So she's more MILFy
I love this woman. Yeah, this one. Yeah, I've always liked
her.
Me too. And I think I like her even more, although she now is
doing something for let me see some organisation. Hold on. I
wrote it down, which I like Oh, no. It's about I'll tell you
what it is here. It was she was interviewed. Because she's she
has a book coming out. Yes. She was on Florida girl. CBSE Is she
a Florida girl? Yeah, born in Florida. Then she came to the
rank. She she really she worked hard to get to where she was.
And she's she's very, she's also a third third degree black belt
in Taekwondo. I like a woman that can kick my ass and break
my break my neck. Here. She's being interviewed about her
book, and heard where she wants her career to take her. And
listen to this one minute.
What I hope to do with stonewalled is explained to the
public how images that they see every day, not just on the news,
but including in the news, but on social media, on television
on billboards, how these images are manipulated in covert and
surreptitious ways by political forces and financially backed
forces that they have no idea about. If you can become savvy
to this manipulation, and sometimes outright propaganda,
you can learn to recognise it and sort of filter through it,
which I think helps people make up their own mind about what's
really going on in the world. No movement in Washington, DC to
affect public opinion in ways other than direct lobbying
people know about campaign lobbying contributions given
directly to members of Congress. Now there's a whole industry set
up around manipulating public opinion or swaying public
opinion in other ways through social media, maybe setting up
blind accounts or accounts through pseudonyms through
editing Wikipedia in certain ways through posting on Twitter
and Facebook, there are all kinds of ways that people's
opinions are being shaped through forces that they don't
know are behind the shaping of those opinions. And I really
think it's important that people know who's behind the efforts.
I like Yeah.
Around the money Yeah.
The only problem is she's now working independently part time
for some quasi news thing that is financed by the Heritage
Institute or that was good Al Jazeera written all over you
watch but you know as Why would if you want to be independent
Why go to the hair Why go to get your money from heritage? I
mean, isn't that completely partisan on the right?
Yeah, totally. I think it's Koch brothers. Serious
Yeah, but I was just like, why oh, that that breaks. That
breaks the whole thing. All of this goodness that I heard from
her. I just can't find the name of that outfit. The name of the
business pissing me off now.
It's not in our wiki. No, but
it's brand new. Oh, I know how to find it. Hold on. I know.
Where was it Cheryl? Cheryl Cheryl Attkisson Here we go.
Life after CBS linked to article here we go. Was that just a
YouTube video that I had the Daily Signal Oh god. I mean,
you're gonna leave CBS you got this great rap and go to the
daily let's find out the daily signal. And it's not even
hidden. The easier the dailies single Heritage Foundation seeks
new site. New Site seeks mainstream impact. Now
well, they got a lot of maybe they're at least In your
networks salary Oh,
I'm sure it doesn't she hasn't looked worried. I'll tell you
that. It Bloomberg even says the tea party gets into the news
biz. I mean, it's completely one sided. partisan. Why would she
do that? Disappointing. Disappointing. Disappointing. I
think I think going back to Trish, I think Trisha saveable.
Yeah, maybe, whatever the case. Okay. I have a few clips I'm
going to save for Thursday, which is
how about for Sunday?
Okay, I can move it up. Exactly. Which will be a move the
environmental stuff with these guys. I do have I do want to do
a reprise of the early discussion of, of the freeze, do
the First Amendment just got an amendment to amend the First
Amendment? Yes, I did catch this, which is, this is just a
little bit this is Harry Reid, again, when he's giving his
speech is opening. This is just the end of it. Because he says
something I wish I could boost it or I maybe I'll re edit it
and boost it. It is just this is the one read has places to go.
He ends up leaving the whole thing. With this lame, I got
places to go things to do. I just thought it hilarious.
I got flesh to press babies to kiss.
Free Speech shouldn't cost the American people a penny a dime,
certainly not $1. So, Mr. Chairman, members, the
committee, I'm happy if you have questions that you want to ask
me to wait, and I'm happy to do that. Otherwise, I would ask
your leave and I will believe places to go thank you.
I got places I got things to do. I got no time for you. This is
the go. Morons.
laughing when I heard that. And he left he got up and took off
and of course, of course. Lovely. Anyway, I think I think
kids everyone up to date.
Yeah, I think that can conclude our show. For today I'm keeping
track of the MERS mean, which seems to be just another version
of SARS. Only for Middle Easterners which is pretty much
I guess the same thing as what sounds like yeah, it's just what
200 People are dead. Okay, big deal. SARS had the same thing
and never panned out. Right. So I don't know what that is.
Exactly. I don't have my much. Oh, yes. I did want to say that.
You thought that Bitcoin was the beanie babies of the financial
crisis or the financial industry of no of this cycle. This cycle,
right? Yeah. So now that Halsey Miner is, is starting a Bitcoin
company Halsey Don't you think that means that basically the
the end is near?
Well, yeah.
Me too.
It's like the Bitcoins, the last refuge.
And people say like, as being accepted everywhere. Let me just
tell you, you're converting money buying it and you
converting money selling it. I don't see how it's so great just
yet. It's not an economy. It's wampum. It's beads, you know,
it's like Club Med. you're converting on the way in, you're
converting on the way out is worse than PayPal. But okay.
They're accepting it in your pub. I get it. I get it. That's
fine. Anyway, it's fun. Oh, it's lots of fun. We will be working
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difference at this point does it make as you know, you know, in
Germany, you know, the trains ran on time. Sometimes fascism
benefits. And by the way, Ben tells me in Germany, the trains
never run on time. Well, they don't. Now that's the point.
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