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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.
Sunday December 18 2016. This is your award winning give on
nation media assassination episode 887
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everybody.
I'm Adam curry and from Northern Silicon Valley where Plato say
man who recover submerged automobile, dip toe in water and
John C. Dvorak.
Raglan Buzzkill.
Much sure I got that one.
Pow. is recovering a submerged automobile? Yeah. Must dip toe
to W in water.
Wow, okay. Wow. Playdough man, I didn't know they had automobiles
back in the day. That's
weird. The facilities if you read enough books, you'll find
out all this is true.
The Insight Plato had is just it's kind of freaking me out a
little bit. I had a clip on what did I have? That's something for
you about that. Let me see if I can find this. Yeah. Now we'll
get to that later. I got a lot of fun stuff today. John, I got
a couple of presstitute podcast. You know, it's my new favorite
thing.
I have a Oh yeah. I have a couple of fake news items that
are dead gems.
Well, why don't we start off with a few fake news items. And
and I'd love to bring in a podcast a couple of clips from a
podcast where as you know, the people who are running around
reporting doing things behind the scenes, they always seem to
open up a little bit too far. When they're on a podcast. Yes.
I want to back up a little bit because about five years ago, I
attempted to do mockery of podcasts, which you eventually
nixed, well, they got me in trouble with a bunch of
podcasters
it was really mean. It was a mean segment. Like hey, you saw
I guess unless laughing was unnecessary? Yeah, I
think I was probably it was probably correct. But you have
repurposed the idea. But you're doing it from a completely I
liked this perspective, what you're doing based on a single
claim that because of podcasting or being overseas, yes. That
also, if you're doing an interview in England, you know,
it's okay to say what you want as Americans gonna hear it out.
Right. And all that sort of thing is a good thesis because I
think you're Yeah, there's just a podcast yak in amongst their
friends is what they'd probably be talking about at the dinner
table.
It's yeah, in a way. It's exactly like that. And today, I
have several things I have. Well, what let's do some fake
news. And then I have two reporters from the Washington
Post. Who really started off this fake news. What do we call
it? Fake News? fad, this style? Yeah. Fake News, fake news. fad.
Yes.
Everybody's talking about fake news fake. So I have besides
just a normal thing where people bitch and moan about fake news I
actually have. Well, let's start with the fake news report. Which
is a backgrounder. It's a long one. Okay. But it's a background
or on fake news. That was done on RT, I thought it was a very,
it's a little long. You can interrupt it if you want. But I
thought it was a good take on the whole fake news concept. And
I have to fake news items.
Well, I will say that, I mean, it's very meta of you to have a
fake news report from the state sponsored fake news media. Yes,
that's it that is added to the meta
because def reports. Fake News,
the fake news, fake news.
Here's an interesting fact about fake news. It does not have a
universally accepted definition. The people who are pushing to
ban it can't agree on what exactly it is that they're
trying to ban. So Facebook is at the forefront very soon, users
are going to be able to report any news story that they don't
like as fake news.
If you suspect a news story is fake, you can report
it. Wait, what is this? It was doing this PSA?
I guess it was for some Facebook PSA. Nice just
takes a few taps,
a few taps.
Your report helps us track and prevent fake news from
spreading.
Enough people do it and it gets sent to the fact checkers for
review. And here is where the drama starts. Meet Facebook's
fact checkers. ABC News, which was allegedly busted recently
for thinking a crime scene for a live broadcast. The Associated
Press the APS fact checking department is well they recently
called aim that Assad isn't fighting ISIS. Palmyra public
quickly called them out. And the fact checkers were left Regnum
faced.
I can't help but hear this guy say fact checkers. It's just the
Russian accent is weird, vague Jagers
fact that fact checker that is widely accepted as being
politically biased example, they accused the Republicans of lying
nine times as often as Democrats,
you are an embarrassment. You sully the reputation of anyone
who cites you as an authority on fact, ation is let alone fact
you are fired.
So these are just some of the guys who are going to be
deciding what's fake. And what's real for you. Way worse in
Russia. So far. No Russian press group is on Facebook's partner
list. Instead, there are two Ukrainian ones which are
presumably going to be patrolling the Russian language
part of Facebook. Yeah, they're going to be impartial, aren't
they? Okay, Facebook is going to start censoring news, obviously.
You mean? Well, we're no longer capable of deciding what to
believe it or separate fact from fiction.
Did they get to a point? I think I saw this actually. Do they get
to a point somewhere and they wrap it up?
Yeah. You just stopped it right? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, it's good.
All right, let's stop right there. All right. So let's go
with a couple of fake news items I run into I find these all the
time.
But before that, just playing into this. So the announcement
was Facebook. And this, we read this right after the show on
Thursday, Facebook said, Hey, we've got a whole panel
together. And this is how we're going to do it. We're gonna
allow the community, the community can report what they
think is fake news. And then we'll go through our
international fact checking network, which the fact check
group and network is partially sponsored by George Soros.
Finance, I should say, and Bill Gates, and oh, is at the Gates
Foundation or Bill Gates personally that I don't I don't
know. Probably the foundation. That is the front and the top of
the list of people who are organizations who will be
helping to fact check. Is ABC News. It was very fun. We have
associated for us. And of course, pointer, which is the
you know, is that a like a journalist, journalistic
organization, it's a it's a blog, it's a very expensive
blog, and Snopes, obviously.
Yeah, they do. Indeed, when the Russians did this report, they
they showed a list that's a lot longer. It's like it is a lot
longer already.
Yeah, 40 people or so. But that's all the fact check
network members, but the top three of four of ABC pointer
equals ABC pointer, AP and Snopes. And those are the main
guys.
Well, here's what's got you know, what's going to happen, of
course, is that's every piece of news that's that's partisan,
will be called Fake News. Hello, again, ended up going and when
some stuff will be taken down for one reason or another.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're not going to do that at
first. The way I understand is, it will, it's the continuation
of the verified ID you'll have a verified article, which has been
fact checked. And if you have a piece of news that is has been
fact checked to be false fact check false, then it will
receive a I think a little skull and crossbones or something
little
Well, it's because of your
let's, let's listen to our T's wrap up here. Yeah,
yeah, a separate fact from fiction. But you know, what's
more worrying? This is part of a much bigger and much darker
trend. If you're a person with unconventional liberal views.
You are now being put on public watch lists in the US. If you
run a website that and I quote criticizes the United States or
Barack Obama, NATO, Ukraine, the mainstream media, there is an
organization that is going to label you as Russian propaganda.
This isn't some obscure websites it got cited by Washington Post.
It's like the West is turning into 1970s, USSR, dissidents,
foreigners, the unconventional are now the enemy, a new 21st
century information Inquisition, a digital witch hunt, where you
are no longer trusted to decide what news you should see. And if
you think this isn't going to be abused, well, I don't know what
to tell you.
Maybe instead of a skull and crossbones that should use a
little hammer and sickle. If you have fake, we know. It's always
gonna be from the right Should I have I have a couple? I actually
I would like to interject here because it was specifically
about ABC. And you of course maintain the learner report the
Lena report. Sorry. Lena report.com. Where is NBC right
now? According to you?
There were they were a month ago. They're kind of like the
way I see him there. They're one of the more crooked operations
in terms of facts. Factual reporting, right.
Do you think that they are still pro Hillary or? Yeah, they are.
I don't see any changes. Okay. They still have Katie turned now
they got Cynthia McSpadden who's the hot the hot, top of the list
for the hit jobs. And she comes on and she does these reports. I
mean, I have a couple of clips from NBC, just from yesterday
that are very slanted and let's do them again then. And then I
went in fact, let me give you an excellent Katy Tur. They're
trying to I guess they're trying to move her around because she
took a slot on MSNBC, to handle a to do some hosting. And this
is the kind of dumb crap that you get on MSNBC, and I'm gonna
explain why this is dumb. But just play this short clip does
Katie Turner hosting clip there? Obama is going to come out and
give a press conference. And then before this time she's this
is a question she asked her one of their one of her reporters
that is on the scene. But let's
start with politics. And our team of reporters. Chris Jansing
is at the White House briefing room. And with me on set, our
Pentagon correspondent Hans Nichols, and MSNBC political
correspondent Casey hunt. Chris, you're there? Let's
start with you. Does,
will President Obama talk about this Russian hack?
If so, what do we expect him to say?
Because clearly, we know everything already.
Well, think about this. I'm watching this and they have a
countdown timer showing that he's going to be speaking in
about an hour. So why would you I'm gonna just ask you as a
hypothetical. from a logical perspective, the guy is going to
be speaking in a few minutes. So why would you ask somebody? What
is he gonna say? What do you think he's gonna say? What do
you think he's gonna do? He's gonna be there. Why don't you
just wait five minutes? And you'll find out? We'll see. What
is the point of this speculation? I'll
tell you she had a 22nd teaser that was planned before the
commercial pod going into the Vblock for the hour. You need to
fill it out? Yes, exactly. That is actually right. It's how it
goes. I know exactly.
It's just when you watch it, you go what? Well, I find
why it just watching anything these days become very
laborious, because you turn on the TV and you can place a bet.
You know, I was like, hey, you know, five bucks. It's Russia.
CIA triad, then one of those words. Hey, listen to this for a
second. This is my first presstitute podcast. This is
political prod podcast. And they have on David Brock. Yeah, David
Brock, is the guy who started I think media matters. And Media
Matters is this organization that goes out and they fight.
news they don't like
and with the way they say Hillary front organization, she
is a large part of it. Well, that actually
comes up in this podcast, which I found very, very enlightening
and also odd that the way he just says who's paying for
everything. And these guys have gone I think this is a meanie
man has gone after Glenn Beck and they go off to the
advertisers. And they tried to bring down news or information
organizations that they don't agree with pretty much anybody
who's not a Democrat, left, progressive, whatever label you
want to put on it. And so David Brock is on the political
podcast of course, he's way too candid. And he's talking about
you know, the because he runs he has actually doesn't run Media
Matters. He runs for organizations who were out there
to literally create fake news to debunk real news to harass
people. And I thought it was worth a little Listen, we'll
start off with David Brock talking about the four
organizations he runs, including one of which is a for profit.
Apparently he's gotten tired of doing all this stuff and making
no money so he's going to try and make some real money with
it. And he also gives us some insight into NBC.
So the four principal groups Media Matters is our media
watchdog group. I started it in mid Oh, for too late to really
help John carry with us with boating. And I started Media
Matters with the help of the Clintons who saw a need for an
aggressive media watchdog group after what they had been through
in the 90s. And what kind of
help do you think that was? Money? Money, money, of
course just money but he
just says it. I didn't I've never heard him just say oh,
yeah, the Clintons they paid for that set us up no problem.
I started American Bridge, which is a super PAC in early 2011. I
was the first Democrat to plant The Super PAC flag after what
happened in 2010. And we got outspent and there was a lot of
hand wringing among liberals about citizens united with
and listened carefully, you'll hear that he's very frustrated
about money. He feels that he wasn't given enough money, he
didn't have enough money to operate, he probably could have
single handedly made sure that Donald Trump never even would
would step set foot outside his door, if he'd only had enough
money to do
it, you know, I disagree with but I said we have to have a
super PAC structure. So we were successful in in helping to
define Romney and 12 and less successful this time around
which we can get into crew is Citizens for Responsibility and
Ethics in Washington. You
remember those guys? Crew? No, yeah, we yeah, we talked about.
I had forgotten about them as
well. It's an ethics watchdog group that I took over a couple
years ago, because the somewhat controversially, people thought
you were kind of Yeah, well, people thought I was too
partisan. And so Melanie Sloan right crew, Melanie Sloan was
the founding executive director, she wanted to go the private
sector, the group was going to go under, I took it over took
responsibility for financing, it found a replacement for Melanie.
And you know, they did great work in 16. They filed the first
IRS complaint against the Trump Foundation, which was
successful, right word, the media attention on to the
foundation. So more about that, but we're gonna build this
organization up in the Trump era, because
it is kind of interesting to hear that that all that stuff
about the Trump Foundation, the huge million dollar foundation
that, of course, yes, funds improperly and had to pay fines.
That wasn't some journalistic work from your big from your big
news networks. No, that was a bunch of douchebags, trying to
discredit everything they did the
work. On the right has a $30 million, your annual budget
crew,
you see a man, we need more money, and you might as a $30
million, your annual budget crew has a $2 million, your annual
budget. And there are a lot of lawsuits and lots of complaints
and you've gotten norm. We just signed up. Yes, we just signed
up President Obama's ethics czar norm Eisen and President Bush's,
which I'm very happy about Richard painter, because, you
know, like minded Republicans are a group that we're going to
have to reach out to, because this is now about small d
democracy. It's not about capital, the Democrats in some
ways. And then I have a fourth entity, which is a for profit
media company called shear blue. We've been running that for
about eight months, the idea there was to see if we could
create an avidly pro Hillary website that would work. So it's
more pro Hillary and making the case for Hillary than it was
anti Trump will have there was anti Trump content. And he's got
a million followers on Facebook. And it's a work in progress, but
which we could talk more about it. But I believe there's space
for an antidote to Breitbart in this era. And that's what I want
to do. That's what I want to do with Cher blue and less. George
Soros and Tom Steyer give me a billion dollars to start a real
media outlet, which is what we need in this climate because
journalism is gonna be significantly weaker. MSNBC is
under pressure from NBC to toe to toe a Trump line. And we need
some alternative media supply.
He doubles down on that he doubles down no
evidence of this I've been in fact, just coincidentally, NBC
has been the network I've been following on a daily basis for
this show. And then I'm gonna I used to do all three at once.
And I gave up on that because it was actually tedious. Yeah. And
so now I'm going network by network and NBC. I'm working
with NBC right now and just watching everything they do. And
there's no evidence of this at all.
I'm just gonna give you the double down here from David
Brock, President of the United States will remain as the
executive producer of The
Apprentice. Yeah. Now we know why the apprentice tapes, the
rest of them are suppressed. The 14,000 on aired outtakes that we
tried very hard to get.
First of all, what does he think this is like, you can just get
outtakes of everything. And you have a right to publish that.
Or, you know, what we tried so hard, and we should have been
no, he's blocked us everywhere. Because of course, Trump's
executive producer, that's private material. Why would you
want to get them in? No one's gonna give you that stuff
aired outtakes that we tried very hard to get during the
campaign. Yeah, I mean, that's an outrage. And I know that
there are hosts
out right. Now listen, listen, listen to this. This is the
outrage. Listen to our
hosts, at MSNBC now feel they their jobs are at risk because
the brass is for Trump. Wow. They've told you so. One has
Yeah. And I've heard of others.
Okay,
I've heard one has bullcrap. What's happening is your ratings
are so bad. They'll do anything. They gotta get they gotta make
some changes. Because the ratings are so poor. They can't
put up with it anymore. It's costing money. Okay, that these
guys aren't working for free. No. They play this NBC hit piece
on Trump and the Russians.
All right. Sorry. Yeah.
This is from yesterday, I believe. And I want to touch
where's the pro Trump bias on this
both about in Moscow thanks. President elect Trump has
repeatedly rejected you US intelligence estimates blaming
Russia for the election hacks. Tonight we get reaction from
Team Trump to the message President Obama aimed at them
today from NBC is Kristen Welker.
Tonight mounting pressure on President Elect Donald Trump to
call out Russian hacking in the US election after President
Obama called on his successor to take a hard look at what went
wrong.
One way, I do believe that I do believe the President Elect can
approach this that would be unifying is to say that we
welcome a bipartisan independent
process. But just moments after the President's press
conference, one of Trump's top advisors digging in not
disputing Russia's at fault, but instead pointing the finger at
Hillary Clinton.
This wouldn't have happened if Hillary Clinton didn't have a
secret server. In
fact, it was one of Clinton's top advisors emails that was
hacked and exposed. Not Clinton secret server. Trump weighing in
on Twitter today, again, pointing to the DNC hack,
ignoring Putin whom he has consistently seemed to excuse.
Are we talking about the same cyber attack where it was
revealed the head of the DNC illegally gave Hillary the
questions to the debate that a reference to one hacked email,
which showed Clinton may have been tipped off about at least
one debate question. Mr. Trump likely concerned that hacking
charges could undercut his victory has consistently balked
at the idea that Russia is to blame.
If you don't catch him in the act, you're not going to catch
them. They have no idea if it's Russia, or China, or somebody,
it could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace, and as
a candidate, even seem to encourage Russia to hack Clinton
during his last news conference in July. But it
would be interesting to see I will tell you this, Russia, if
you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails
that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded
mightily by our press.
So Will his tone change tonight a top transition official?
No, I look I'm I'm an agreement with you. I'm just telling you
what the
I'm just pointing it out with an example. So called nice two
things I want to I want to bid your budgets before I get to my
fake news clips, which we could we can stretch probably to the
end of the show. Well, hold on. I
just had to mix it by the way, in that clip, two things. I
liked hearing one secret server that was new, secret server. I
like it. And Putin. Putin, Putin,
Putin, Putin. So a couple things I want to point out one is this
they keep playing the same old thing and I was listening to
Trump's I listened to he's a if you listen to his whole hours
when they play him on Fox and elsewhere where he goes to you
like he went to Pennsylvania and went to Mobile, Alabama, and
he's and he's talks for an hour, hour and 15 is talks used to
kind of peak out at about 45 minutes. Now he goes a solid
hour of pretty much ad lib is the same material I compared to
two speeches. There's a couple of new things he adds once in a
while, but he's up to talk it's I think it's very charming.
Nobody else has ever been able to do anything like this. Nobody
talks Obama did did a thank you tour except it was more like
like Worship Me tour, kind of.
Yeah, it was and it was prompted it was tele prompted, I
believe. Wow. Anyway, Trump's his teleprompter at the
beginning to know it's not his Yes, it is. He just goes off on
tangents. But it's definitely I know these bigs. Last night I
watched I watched Pennsylvania, he had a prompter. That was
okay.
Believe me. Anyway, he he goes off on his long sketches GUI.
It's very, very charming. And in a very awkward way, because he
says all kinds of crazy stuff that's got nothing to do with
anything. He's just joking around. And
Doug, and I all always goes to the head. There's the fears of
this most dishonest people in the world. And he
Yeah, he points at them. And they'll boo at the at the
reporters. And it's pretty much the same that he's done before.
He likes to be up in front of a lot of people and talk and he's
right. That's where I've always believed he's closer to
Mussolini than anybody else. Again, because he does the
Mussolini looks he's got. And so there's two things. One is this,
this, you know, Russia, if you're listening, and he does
that Spiel there, all the networks are playing that over
and over again, as though he isn't actually encouraging it.
Even though if you saw it in context, he was kind of joking,
joking around as usual. But the thing that really gets me an
every one of these networks, every one of these news reports
when they mentioned Hitler, and they are Hitler when they
mentioned Putin, that's a good good Rudolph. Yeah, when he when
they mentioned Putin, and they go to a B roll is always Putin
walking through these huge gold doors.
Yeah, were they were the guys opening the door for him?
Yeah. is a couple of stooges opening this massive these
massive gold doors they must be 40 feet high. And then comes in
comes Putin and they all show the same clip of Putin come into
these gold doors. This is propaganda. Yes
it is. It's totally propaganda.
It's unbelievable propaganda as though as though every time he
goes from groomed or he goes into the bathroom, there's gold
or gold doors.
Anyway, I just did people should be done to look out for the gold
doors. Just see them for okay, my fake news. Okay, we got two
items. One happens to involve politico which has been
discussed there. This is with Sean Spicer, who's at a
political event. And he decided Sean
Sean Spicer, he's been on the news shows a lot recently and
you sent me a note one of the few ones and you were certain I
agree that this is probably going to be the new
administration spokes hole for the White House. I
think he's gonna be the spokes hole and I think is the reason
we were seeing him so much. I never saw him a month ago. I
know who he was. I think this is trial by fire.
Pretty good. He's pretty good.
He's not bad. He's getting a little better. I think he's,
he's, he's doing the right thing. He's doing it the right
way.
But he's, so traditionally you know, it's a very traditional
kind of sports hall
guy. Well, you know, people talked about they're gonna put
Guilfoyle Oh, no.
Yeah. What happened? What happened to Katrina? Katrina
Pierson, the little multicultural girl, she was
good.
She was discussed and so was Ann Coulter was this bullcrap? Yeah.
This guy's the guy. All right. I mean, I'll be surprised if he's
not named. But here he is at a political event, giving them
grief over an article they wrote about him. And this is a good
example of him busting out some fake news.
You know how many times it's something shared incorrectly.
And on Friday, you know, excuse me on today's Friday, two days
ago, there's a story that a reporter and political puts out
saying Sean Spicer disinvited Twitter from a tech meeting.
Now, first of all, I'd love to say I have the power to
disinvite someone from a from a meeting with the president
elect. But I don't, and they were never invited. And I was
never asked by political whether that happened. And yet I can't
put that story back in the bottle and say, you know, and
and so, once it's out there, it's out there. And that's
that's what I think is unfortunate is that the attempt
to quickly put up headlines and plead provocative is not good
journalism. Understood.
Well, wait until I wait. Do you hear from the journalists
themselves? They disagree with you, sir. vehemently.
Now we go to one that's this is a New York Daily News bust is
the New York Daily News. CBS Sports and one other outlet are
busted with this anecdotal story about something that happened
again involving Trump most Fake news is about Trump and it's
fake. That's the kind of the irony of this whole thing is
about, you know, this blast Trump with some fake news. This
is a really good story.
This is Roger Staubach. Yes, thank
you were telling me that you were just with Roger Staubach,
one of my heroes.
I spoke to him on the phone. Earlier today. I tell you what
happened. Trump is at the Army Navy game over the weekend.
Right. And he did an interview on CBS at halftime. And what he
said Tucker was I don't know if it's necessarily the best
football, but it's very good. But boy, do they have spirit
more than anybody. It's beautiful, typical Trump.
Staubach was interviewed by a writer for the New York Daily
News. Here's the headline, start back to Donald Trump Army Navy
football players deserve your respect, not your insults. So in
this three page article, I'm looking for the i I've known
Staubach for a long time. I don't know if he's ever insulted
anyone other than was a victory in the football field. And just
so the audience knows. I mean, this guy, Naval Academy Heisman
Trophy winner served the Navy in Vietnam. Our quarterback for the
Dallas Cowboys won two Super Bowls MVP of one of them. I
mean, he is he's about as American as they get. The one
quote in here Tucker says service football from Starbuck
is extremely respectable and very competitive. They've won
some big games. They're not the top 10 But it's still good
football. I really enjoy watching service football. So I
called Star back today very successful real estate
businessman in Dallas, Texas, and I read him that headline. I
said, Roger, did you say that? And here's what he said that is
far from the truth. First of all, I don't think Trump said
anything bad. He had a lot of good things to say. I know the
writer wanted to get into the anti Trump thing and I wasn't
going to go there. A story like this is dishonest. He did not
insult Navy meaning Trump. I did not come close to insulting him
meaning Trump that's why I don't even like to talk to reporters
bill. But the cats out of the bag I mean, this thing is all
over the NAT inside CBS sports.com nfl.com that headline
and CBS Sports is this Stabat goes to Trump over over Army
Navy game insults.
You read that?
Now, I don't know much about sports, but sounds like some
fake news to me.
It sounds like fake news. And it comes from the New York Daily
News and CBS Sports. These are big corporate names. These are
not little bloggers is not Breitbart. These are big boys
and they're doing the fake news is where it comes from. We have
to be aware of this. It's the
real fake news, which is such a dichotomy in terms. Okay, then.
And let me see. Well, while we're on it, I'll also do my
fake news story. I have one I'm happy because we finally had
some follow up now. I tried to find the original on YouTube,
which was couldn't find it. And the reason why I will be told in
the second clip here first let's see if you can hear this short
clip Hello, Mrs. Nice
that's impossible to hear. That is the Aleppo twiddle girl
Twitter girl the seven year old who is verified on Twitter who
is expected to be killed?
So she's she's worried to 60 is gonna get killed. She said yes,
she's on
deck. And here is
the report same girl BANA al Abed and her mother Fatima have
captured the attention of hundreds of 1000s of people
around the world via Twitter as they post about their dire
circumstances in the shrinking rebel held area of eastern
Aleppo. And now they hope to capture the attention of First
Lady Michelle Obama. In a recent video message sent to NBC News.
Fatima says in the video, I talked to you as a mother, I
implore you to help us because we are so afraid. Syria's
President Bashar Assad has said that the Twitter account is
propaganda promoted by terrorist and their supporters.
evacuations of citizens in Aleppo began Tuesday for the
operation has stopped since pro government militia opened fire
on transport vessels.
So I found that rather interesting that if you are
there in Aleppo and you're sending out tweets and you're
doing videos that you don't put it on YouTube but no you send it
directly to NBC makes nothing but sense.
Like the way they said that the the evacuation has stalled
because of pro government forces shooting at the dead the buses,
don't you love it's just nuts. I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
But that's what they report is unbelievable. I know I know.
This is just lies feeding the American public lies Well,
here's how here's how rationalize beer I got an
intermediary play this. This was I think was a slip of the
tongue. It wasn't meant to be said this way. But this is Dick
Cheney was at some that Brookings or something and he's
there with some other blog with?
Oh, yeah, I saw that he had, yeah, their net. And it was
Barbara Starr who was
interviewing Yeah, they're talking about this and that. So
here's what Cheney says, this is the Cheney clip
the US military and reassert our responsibilities and our
leadership role in the world. That's important, both to our
allies, but it's also important to our adversaries like, like
Mr. Trump and the Russians.
Like Mr. Trump and the Russians, nice,
unbelievable. Trump, I know is a slip of the tongue, but it was
what he really thought.
That's the truth always wants to come out. All right. So we had
the Washington Post started off with his whole CIA says thing
with anonymous sources. And I think you saw the guy on
Twitter, who you
guys on Twitter, don't you think? Now you want to admit it?
You know, this kinda guy?
Yeah, that's exactly the voice. Exactly.
And,
you know, I was just saying like, well, you know, FBI and
CIA, they agree with each other. Now, you have to prove that
there's no wait a minute. There was, again, it was anonymous
sources who say that or some internal memo that we have no
copy of,
and nobody's willing to show it to us. And I went to the press
released of CIA does press releases, they have a whole
bunch of them. And I just say your go look at the list.
Where's the list of good to see a press release? Lisa's telling
us this?
Now, it's not there because it's not there. Now. On the NPR
Morning Edition, he had two journalists both in the
Washington Post who talked about their use of these anonymous
sources they they both worked on the story and why they feel a it
is okay. Be they feel that as well. They actually feels the
way forward anonymous sources with In the government is great
for reporting. Here is one of these ladies ladies names on one
second. Their names kind of want to get them
while you're looking up Janessa do want to mention that it seems
to me odd that Debbie will say Secret Memo secret. If it's
secret, and you're revealing it. Yeah, there's issues with that.
Yeah. I don't see anybody here holding a hearing well have it
because it's not secret. There's no ma'am. Well, this is
bullcrap.
Have a listen to to these two reporters. And we will discuss
as we go along three short clips. He
was responding to our reporting O H, when all this past weekend
and into this week in which
we does this woman sound like Fozzie Bear? Or is it just me a
little bit Walker, Walker Walker,
when all this past weekend and into this week in which we were
trying to stand up the story that the CIA,
I've never heard that we were trying to stand up the story
I've never heard this term is this
fancy bear thing has ruined this clip for me.
I know that she has the perfect voice for print
trying to stand up the story that the CIA has concluded.
Russia not only intervened in the US election, but intervened
with a motive and the motive was to elect Donald Trump. I have
spent the last several days chasing every source I have and
the CIA and the director of national intelligence on Capitol
Hill in the White House and the Pentagon everywhere, and got
someone who agreed to speak to me at length and agreed to be
identified as a US official. This was someone in a position
to know who would only agree to be identified by that title.
So that was carefully negotiated here is how you would refer to
the source?
Absolutely. You try to give the listener as much information as
you can, in an ideal world, you would say, this hypothetical,
not who this was. But you would say, for example, a current
senior CIA official with direct access to the intelligence as
much as you negotiate as much information as you are, because
that helps the listener weigh how much credibility to give it.
Yeah, I know who that person is. But the more information you
give, the narrower the circle becomes in terms of that person
being exposed. And if I have agreed to protect that person's
identity, you have to do it.
Okay. So there you go. That's how the negotiation takes place.
But now, you of course, have to wonder. Well, hold on. Yeah.
If this information I'm just going to take I'm going to step
way back as you present this and asks, albeit with questions that
are obvious to me, if the President is all jacked up about
this, and the CIA and the FBI, and all the other intelligence
agencies are all jacked up about this, how come they hit she has
to go and negotiate with one stooge, who has who is the only
guy who even talk about it, and it has to be completely off the
record. If they're jacked up about this? Why don't they bris
bring it out?
Well, it seems to actually, it seems to be the way forward this
question is answered. I think in the third clip, of course, you
always have to wonder, are these sources do they have a motive?
Are they telling the truth, etc. Basically,
all national security officials refuse to speak with their name
attached to it. That's their rule, not ours. National
Security reporters tend to be senior reporters, they've been
around a long time. They are pretty good at judging the
character of somebody that they actually quote, without their
name. And that's how we do that business. It would not happen
without it, because they're really not supposed to be
talking to us. The only fire I mean, they could be fired.
Just to give a little bit of insight into that the people who
are agreeing to speak to somebody like Danna or me are
people who have security clearances to keep the
clearance. They are regularly polygraph. And one of the
questions that is routinely asked is Have you had any
unauthorized contact with the media? These people are risking
their jobs, their pensions to speak to us so they have to
take a polygraph or they have spoken to you in some cases,
they might have to try and lie and hope that the polygraph
doesn't pick it up.
Yes. But also there's an unofficial
stop right there. Everybody stop.
Does this make any sense?
Well, let me ask you this, considering the rather large
amount of anonymous sources in this past election cycle year
and a half these polygraphs yearly or the annually, because
how can you pass the polygraph? If you're telling me all these
people are just are lying? And I said no, no, I haven't had any
unauthorized connections with the press and then they pass the
test.
Well, I mean, that would be a very, you know, high end field
guy perhaps from the CIA or something which is not the guy
that's going to be talking to these reports. Here's
anyway, but they still have their clearance. And they have
to, and they have
to take the test now. So we have to make the logical assumption
that they were told to go talk to these.
Yeah, I told him it was authorized. That's the only way
you can get around that test. Yes, thank you. And,
again, and let's bring it back to the meta look, which is why
authorize somebody to leak some information? When if it's true,
you would just come out and say it.
Exactly. And I think the conclusion is correct that if
they are saying on this, this is not authorized, and they have to
do a polygraph, and they are asked the question, did you have
unauthorized contact with the press? And they say, No, they
would pass because it was authorized. Thank you.
Thank you, John, risking their jobs, their pensions, to speak
to us. So
they have to take a polygraph, they have spoken to in some
cases, they might have to try and lie and hope that the
polygraph doesn't pick it up.
Yes. But also, there's an unofficial thing that's going
on, it's happened since forever, which is
forever, it's happened since forever, forever
thing that's going on, it's happened since forever, which is
the government actually wants to tell the American people what's
happening. But they don't want to stand on a podium and
announce it to the world. It sounds like an official
position, then they would rather use us to communicate with
people and let us know what's happening. But in a
full round, I knew you would like that they will excuse me,
they would rather use us the trustworthy media to do their
bidding for them. That's what she say.
That is a bold faced lie. Me sighs Obama keeps going up on a
podium, instead of making these illusions about the Russians
being? Well,
we'll get to that in a second. All right, last clip. And of
course, you gotta wonder, well, isn't it possible that maybe
these anonymous sources, you know, maybe there'll be sent
there to lie to you? I mean, how can you tell?
Do you blame the people you are writing for and reporting for,
for trusting stories less? If there are only anonymous sources
there? And should they trust them less?
I think it's a reasonable question to ask, I would push
back and say if anything, the reverse, because if I am using
an anonymous source, I have given my my word that I will not
reveal their identity. No, it will trust you. But I am asking
you, the listener to trust me that I have done everything in
my power to make sure this person is who they say they are,
that they have access to the information, and also to weigh
what's their motive,
but then a priest, couldn't they have an agenda that you or your
readers might not know about?
Not only could they they often do, they might want to be making
one agency look bad by telling you something bad about them.
That is true. So yes, agendas abound. But I'd like to make
another point, which is I do think our industry needs to pay
much more attention to this, especially right now when the
whole media environment is very confusing. I don't think the
mainstream media like the Washington Post or even NPR,
although you're trying to do that today has been transparent
enough in how we do our jobs. I don't know how you do that. But
I'm certainly open to trying
There you go. They believe this John they totally believe that
they are the trustworthy sources that you have to trust them that
they've gone to J school. And you can trust them. To trust
them. They can weed out all the fake stuff and the agendas and
the bullcrap is so easy for them to do.
Well apparently is not easy for him to do and it doesn't sound
like they're doing it.
No. Dole.
Don't think that was good luck, a series of clips.
I did pull a couple of clips from President Obama's presser
cuz I found he said some very interesting things. And I had
for you, I pulled out all the pauses to bring it down to
acceptable length. Okay. So the President did like an hour and a
half, he did a big speech talking about Russia talking
about secure cybersecurity in general about the election. And
when he started off talking about WikiLeaks, and the so
called Hack, the way I heard this clip a minute and a half
the way I heard it, and I'll tell you what I heard and then
you listen with those years, maybe I'm wrong. He says,
WikiLeaks already had this information. We knew they had
this information. They knew we knew they were going to release
it. And then Russia was hacking the information. So the
President the way I hear him says they already had this. Then
Russia started to jump in and started to hack on the same
information. And then of course, they stop because Obama said he
caught it up, and that Russia Russia went okay. That's pretty
much what he's saying here.
I think it's worth pointing out that I If the information was
already out, it was in the hands of WikiLeaks. So that was going
to come out no matter what.
Do you hear that? So they already had, he's saying right
there, they already had it. He was going to come out no matter
what. Maybe I'm hearing it wrong.
No, that's what he said. All right, thank you. Now, the
reason that I think it was overlooked, is because I think
in in context, the way he blew past that was to make it sound
as if the Russians at first already given it, here's, here's
what I was thinking. The Russians had already given it to
WikiLeaks, and they already had it. So that was going to come
out no matter what. But since wiki, but here's the problem,
since WikiLeaks was the only one who released it in the first
place. The Russians weren't releasing it. There was no
Russian blog or anything, I guess. Crucifer.
The President speaks of cutouts, you know, they use cutouts.
That's Guccifer. Yeah, cut outs, cut outs on the internet. Well,
it will, it will listen to this thing.
worth pointing out that the information was already out, it
was in the hands of WikiLeaks. So that was going to come out no
matter what. What I was concerned about in particular,
was making sure that that wasn't compounded by potential hacking,
that could hamper vote counting, affect the actual election
process itself. And so, in early September, when I saw President
Putin in China, I felt that the most effective way to ensure
that that didn't happen, was to talk to him directly. And tell
him to cut it out. And there were going to be some serious
consequences if he didn't.
I can just see that conversation. Amen. Cut it out.
Well, you know, there'd be some serious consequences. Like you
had to go to bed with no dinner.
And in fact, we did not see further tampering of the
election process. Oh, but
Oh, thank you, Obama. Yeah, thanks, Obama. He says to the
bookcase, it wasn't happening. He told him to cut it out. They
stop
dhondup. Thanks, Obama. Thanks. So bosses,
but the leaks through WikiLeaks had already occurred. So when I
look back in terms of how we handled it, I think we handled
it the way it should have been handled. We allowed and
then what's the problem? Well,
there is there's really no problem yet
enforcement and the intelligence community to do its job. Without
political influence. We briefed all relevant parties involved in
terms of what was taking place. When we had a consensus around
what had happened. We announced it, not through the White House,
not through me, but rather through the intelligence
communities
now hold on. No, no, he's not. He said, through the
intelligence community's No, it was announced through leaks to
the press, anonymous sources, it wasn't announced by the
intelligence community
got the press releases and all these agencies. There's nothing
about any
of it. This is a bold flate bold place, bold faced lie
Census. It's another lie around what had happened.
We have consensus, not evidence, consensus jump, just say no
consensus, high confidence consults,
we had a consensus consensus around what had happened. We
announced it, not through the key imagine,
Mr. Curry, we have looked at this case. And we feel the
consensus is we don't need evidence, but the consensus is
you're guilty. We're sorry, you're going to jail consensus
is how it
works announced not through the White House, not through me, but
rather through the intelligence communities that had actually
carried out these investigations. And then we
allowed you and the American public to make an assessment by
leaking it from anonymous sources as to how to weigh that
going into the election.
Okay. I don't know if he actually knows how it went down.
But he believes it went down differently or he's
intentionally twisting the truth a bit. From this, of course, the
president needed to speak briefly about the danger of fake
news. And crazy stuff that people were garnishing or
garnering from the garnishing that people are garnering from
the emails, of course, in there also John Podesta's emails.
The truth is, is that there was nobody here who didn't have some
sense of what kind of effect it might have.
I'm finding it a little curious that everybody's suddenly acting
surprised that this looked like it was disadvantaging Hillary
Clinton because you guys wrote about it every day is your phone
every single week, you guys about every little juicy tidbit
of political gossip, including John Podesta is result of a
recipe.
Pizza Pizza. Sorry, I can't help myself. And then we have you
know
before you Go on, I still want to make that just for anyone who
doesn't understand this part of it. These hacks, especially the
John Podesta hack, in particular, was the simplest of
simple phishing expeditions, where you send somebody a link,
this goes back 20 years, this whole idea of having a link that
hooks to malware that links instead of linking the word,
you're here, read this, your I love you read this, remember
that I love you, when this really can pop, hey, why don't
you click on something or in this case is please change your
password. So you click on some bogus thing, and it clicks and
what's your old password. And then as soon as you type it into
got bad guy who's doing a keystroke logging or whatever
grabs it, and then logs in for himself and then steals all your
emails. That's how that works. It's very simple, but it's very
low. And this is not like high end Russian hacking.
It's something you would definitely do if you want to pin
it on somebody, you could say, oh, well, they did that. That
would be similar, no proof,
because they can't produce any proof. It was anything other
than a 400 pound guy in his basement or whatever Trump like
to demean it with. But it's, it's that there's Podesta, the
other one I think was the same. It was obviously some similar
thing that happened, or was that Inside Job guy who got shot in
the back of the head? Seth, rich, Seth Rich, and it's
probably in fact, there's a lot of indications that hit was him.
Yes. In fact, there's no way that any of these campaigns
don't have operatives in the other campaigns. So that's what
we talked about in the last show the DCCC. And it's that's just
the way these guys operate in the Republican ends who I blame
for all this. Because they're the ones who would be the most
benefit. They would benefit the most, and they don't care if the
Russians take the blame or not. Because it's the Democrats
accusing that them and then there's of course, this whole
thing about the the RNC was hacked and that was a small
story that lasted for a while until Rance Priebus went on to
one of these shows the other day, and like last week and said
we were never hacked. No. So why were the FBI in your office is
they after we brought the FBI in? Priebus says to make sure
that we weren't hacked and we weren't. But so that nonsense
that the Russians hacked both sides, and only released one
side is bullcrap. Just the Russians, I just don't see the
Russians had being that they I think they just let things go
their own way. The Russians don't need to do any of this
work.
Regardless, this story will live on in infamy as the election
cycle, the Russians hack, there's nothing that that you
know, to use the phrase, you can't put the toothpaste back in
the tube. And especially when you hear the President saying,
Oh, we are going to respond to Russia's evil, evil doings
with respect to response, okay, my principal goal leading up to
the election,
didn't he say it was going to call him out? He's going to name
and shame wasn't that the whole idea? I remember the
name and I'm going to call you out Russia
was making sure that the election itself went off without
a hitch, that it was not tarnished. And that it did not
feed any sense in the public, that somehow tampering had taken
place with the actual process of voting.
Okay, so he's saying really? No, it wasn't no difference.
You know, they're Adobe, their overall irony to me if you've
got to be totally cynical about the whole thing, because when
they did the recount, you know, a couple of them that got
through those Trump picked up 150 votes more. Yeah. Now, is
that maybe the the, the, the Obama administration actually
did put to just clamp down on any possibility of the election
votes actually being rigged? And that's what that's actually what
cost Hillary the election
is they wouldn't let it get rigged.
Yeah.
Hey, thanks, Obama.
We accomplished that. Yeah, we accomplished that does not mean
that we are not going to respond. Oh, it simply meant
that we had a set of priorities leading up to the election,
okay, that were of the utmost importance.
He was busy is what he's saying. I was busy, I was busy. Now I'm
going to you're going to do something about it.
Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia, or
others, not to do this to us. Because we can do stuff too. You
know, we can do stuff to you, but it is stuff Hey, man, do you
want me to do some stuff do
stuff to you. But it is also important for us to do that in a
thoughtful, methodical way. Some of it we do publicly, okay. Some
of it. We will do in a way that they know, but not everybody
will. And I know that there have been folks out there who suggest
somehow that works. If we went out there and made big
announcements and thumped our chests about a bunch of stuff
that somehow that would potentially spook the Russians
but keep in mind that we already have of enormous numbers of
sanctions against the Russians. The relationship between US and
Russia has deteriorated. Sadly, yeah, thanks
to you.
Yeah, in the past few years. Yeah. There's your legacy
aerated,
sadly, significantly over the last several years. And thank
you. So how we approach an appropriate response that
increases cost for them for behavior like this in the
future, but does not create problems for us, is something
that's worth taking the time to think through and figure out?
Oh, and that's exactly what we've done. Okay. So at a point
in time where we've taken certain actions that we can
divulge publicly, we will do so there are times where the
message will go will be directly received by the Russians and not
publicized.
Why not? Just I don't I don't think it's
going on. And here's the here's I think they'd like to blame the
Russians. I think there's a history. And I think the
Russians are just coasting because they can make him think
that they're doing everybody makes them seem more powerful
than they are. And we've kind of forget where this stems from.
And I think this is what everybody all the diplomats and
everybody in Washington still think about, because this stems
from the 2011 Hillary Clinton meddling played his Clint Clint
Clinton, Putin 2011. This is when they they meddled in the
Russian elections.
Does it make sense that
Vladimir Putin would have a role?
I think we have to go back to 2011. In the fall of 2011, there
were mass demonstrations in Moscow, protesting falsified
elections, and protesting Vladimir Putin's announcement
that he was coming back to the Kremlin, he directly accused
Hillary Clinton at that point of paying the demonstrators to go
onto the streets in Moscow. So he apparently and his colleagues
in the Kremlin believed that there was US interference in
2011 in the election, and therefore, it's fair game to
interfere in the US election.
Because that's, you know, what
can big countries do? Can something like this?
It's a big government, like all governments are consulting like
this happened without his knowledge or approval?
I think he must have known on some level that
this was happening. I mean, hackers couldn't just have done
this freelance without at least having a sense that this was
permitted. Whether he personally directed it, I think that's much
more difficult to say, I haven't seen the evidence none of us
have.
We've had, yeah, none of us have seen any evidence of anything.
I did find a clip that talks about the one piece of evidence,
that is actually the genesis for blaming this on the Russians.
There is a piece of evidence that is, well, it's
circumstantial, at best, but it's real evidence. And Julian
Assange, Julian Assange talked about it, I want to play this.
This is, according to them, what the entire thesis of Russian
hacking is based on it's based on the conversion of some of
these documents, some of these emails.
Now in the middle, we have something which is the
publication by other media organizations of information,
purportedly from the DNC. And that seems to be the case. So
that's a series of Word documents from PDFs published by
the hill, like Gorka, by the smoking gun. This is a
completely separate batch of documents, compared to the
20,000 pristine emails that we had really weeklies, in this
batch of documents released by these other media organizations.
There are claims that in the metadata, there's someone's done
a document to PDF conversion. And the in some cases, the
documents, the language of the computer that was used for that
conversion was Russian. Okay, so that's the circumstantial
evidence that some Russian was involved. Or someone who wanted
to make it look like a Russian was involved with these other
media organizations. That's not the case for the material that
we released.
So that is an interesting little tidbit. That the conversion from
Word doc are PDFs, that there were some Russian characters in
the file that were translated along with them, meaning that
there was someone had used a Russian version.
I was in the metadata of a lot of these things, especially the
Adobe products, but also in Microsoft pricer. There will be
like your name, the version of the software, what language
you're using, all that stuff will be there very clearly laid
out. It wasn't like anything leftover. It's just in there.
And you always have to go into metadata. The same thing with
JPEGs. There's a lot of information that you could stick
into the metadata,
and also the EXIF information, sometimes with little or
all of it. There's a lot of stuff. Okay, Some of it tell you
the focal length of the lens and,
you know, your flash, all that stuff. One person who was very
disappointed the President is not immediately going in bombing
Russia appeared on ABC, because let's be honest, she can't go on
CNN anymore. That is the lying sack known as Donna Brazil, who
of course, her emails were also published. And it showed that
she had given not one but two questions to the Clinton
campaign that were coming up in a debate. So she is she is
dishonest person, dishonest. And she goes on ABC with Martha
Raddatz, and she just like it never happened. You know, she's
a victim, of course. And yeah.
Look, I think the President is right to call for a full
investigation, every federal agency involved should be should
put everything on the table and the Democratic Party will put
everything on the table. They came after us daily, hourly. And
there were times when we thought they would penetrate us and we
would have another breach. But
we had a great president didn't know they were continuing. You
said they were known
what when I saw the President, I was a little disappointed that,
you know, we were on the constant attack. We never felt
comfortable. We didn't know what was coming next. And you know,
this is not just about computers. This is individuals
is harassment of our candidates, harassment of our donors. We had
stolen information, personal information. People were
personally harassed. So are you disappointed in the President's
response?
She said we had she said we had stolen information. She didn't
say we had information stolen from us.
Good catch. We had stolen information. We were fencing.
Are
you disappointed in the President's response?
I'm glad that we went through this process the country went
through this process.
But are you disappointed in his response?
You know, mas I don't person that this was we were attacked
by a foreign adversary. And I think it's the responsibility of
the government to help individual citizens as well as
institutions nonprofits corporation to protect
Thanks, Obama. Yeah,
sure. You need to be protected. There, you Cheater. Cheater does
a cheat.
NBC had they were putting a lot of these different segments. And
they did. The one thing I want the Obamas letting it rip
against Russia little commentary, which I thought was
completely uncalled for, and incredibly insulting. And you
wonder why we have such mediocre relations with Russia. When you
have something like this. This is NBC final, Obama let it rip
clip.
They are a smaller country. They're a weaker country, their
economy. Yeah. doesn't produce anything that anybody wants to
buy.
This is a low point in you.
Oh, man, they cut off the best part. Oh, shoot.
What's the best part?
You see if I have it? Yeah, I have it. Hold on, hold on, then
I'll go back to your clip, they cut off a really good part of
that, just as
I told Russia to stop it, and indicated there will be
consequences when they do it. The Chinese have in the past
engaged in cyber attacks cyber directed at our companies to
steal trade secrets and proprietary technology. And I
had to have the same conversation with Prime Minister
or with President Xi.
Yeah, he said cut it out ZG cheesy, whatever your name is
Prime Minister President cut it out, man.
And what we've seen is some evidence,
you know, they stood really they didn't really stop deuced
but not completely eliminate these activities, partly because
they can use cutouts. One of the problems with kind of the
internet and cyber issues is there's not always a return
address. And by the time you catch up to it, attributing what
happened to
our particular governor. It's not in here. Okay, what he said
was here, I will finish his statement based on your clip
down. I'm sorry, I thought it was in this one. Where is it
again? It is MDC. Allama. Let's rip. Okay, because they cut it
out.
We're a smaller country. They're a weaker country. Their economy
doesn't produce anything that anybody wants to buy.
Except oil, gas and some arms. Yeah, well, we do. I know. You
mean, their competitor to us is what you're saying? Oil, Gas and
some arms? Yeah, that's our GDP.
Yeah, no, that was ironic. It was very funny. You're right.
I'll say, Oh, I
will. That's why they cut it out. This is NBC. They're very
slanted. Yeah. They're not going to make it obvious that you
know, you don't have a bunch of guys sitting there watching the
news and delivering punch lines. Do that on purpose. I got
a clip that explains the President's use of ISIL instead
of ISIS. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was waiting for this explanation.
And this comes from that A new guy who apparently has been on
Fox a lot Sebastian Gorka. He seems to be like, you know, he
had orca showing up a lot. So we got to keep our eye on him from
for multiple reasons. But I did like his explanation of why the
President uses ISIL and not ISIS.
You've been in touch with the transition team. You've talked
about radical Islam. You believe it's something we can defeat.
Obama was out there to press it today saying he took the best
course in Syria. Really? Do you agree with that assessment?
No, because I live in the real world. Sure.
It's a it's a catastrophe.
Remember the red lines? The real reason he calls it ISIL and not
ISIS? What is what is the reason? The real reason is
because he doesn't want to remind people that S stands for
Syria right now. He drew the red lines again and again and again.
And
that makes nothing but sense. He doesn't he doesn't want to
remind people it's Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He wants to
be Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Yeah, please don't
mention the S word. Hey, it's as good as any.
That's fine. That guy's just horrible. He sounds like you
know, he sounds like I saw an interview with Tom Ford. Oh,
yeah. He's
Yeah, he's a designer. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah.
And the guy sounds just like me is extremely kind of smug.
That was the interviewer. He said, every man should be
penetrated Ainley at least once in his life to know what it's
like to be a woman. I swear. That's what he said. Tom Ford.
Yes.
Oh, god. Yeah, and that's gonna now you're gonna know what it's
like to be able to try getting pregnant, then you'll know what
it's like to be a woman. I'm not going there. Yeah, and well, you
should I'm not going to nobody's give me crap.
Hey, let me just ask you one question. Because you know, we
have all these you actually brought this up. Like one day
Trump is a nincompoop. He's dumb. The next day is genius.
What he's doing very hot. So here's one. Hillary Clinton
lost. Because the Russians hacked our election. Hillary
Clinton won by almost 3 million votes. Please pick one. Either
one. Just pick one.
Yeah, well, you know what they managed to. They understood our
system so well that they managed to hack the electoral college or
she hasn't even voted yet. I have an electoral but
you know what I say to that? Fact, checkmate is what I say.
Oh, that's Oh, so you've been you. So you actually worked on
that gag? Oh, yeah. I stepped on it. Yeah, you did. I stepped
back. Checkmate was my that was you can
do today if you could have done a connective in your discussion,
so I couldn't have interrupted so easily.
Oh, that's so hard. I just mute you. That's the way to do it.
Ah, yeah, that would work. All right, let's hear I gotta play
this one. This is off topic a little bit. But this is an
electoral college guy in in California. I want you to listen
to this carefully. And try to understand what this is
actually, what is this about? It is the craziest story that I
think I've got for this show. This is the weird, Ill bought
thinking Electoral College member in California, who is
trying to get out of his out of his pledge to vote for Hillary.
Okay. And this and who is this John? I'm sorry.
This is weird. He'll bought thinking Electoral College
member of California
constitutional showdown in federal court in San Jose.
Today, many electoral college voter for Monterey County asked
the judge to allow him to vote his conscience for President.
NBC Bay Area's Damien Trujillo spoke exclusively with that
elector today, and joins us live in San Jose to tell us why this
man, this guy could make History Day.
Yeah, Terry, that electoral college vote is on Monday. Vince
Kohler is a Democrat. And if he does not vote for Hillary
Clinton, then he faces felony charges in California and up to
three years in prison. So he came here to federal court,
hoping to get an injunction to keep him from being arrested.
Vince Koehler is an electoral voter. Today he stood outside
the San Jose Federal Courthouse with his lawyer after testifying
that he should be allowed to vote his conscience and the
electoral college process.
So if I am not allowed to vote for someone other than Hillary,
Hillary Clinton, in effect, I'm enabling a election of Donald
Trump president and in good conscience. I
cannot do that.
The Democrat instead wants to cross party lines on Monday and
vote for a Republican like John Kasich, since he knows Clinton
can't win. prevents that. So he came to court. Oh, no.
This can't hold on
a second. This won't stand. What kind of insanity are we talking
about here? Yeah, each piece pledged to vote for Hillary's in
California, California went big for Hillary is where your three
million votes comes from. Yeah. And he doesn't want on a vote
for Hillary. Because then he's enabling Trump. Yeah, I'm
telling you this is not This is absolute California bubble
insanity at its worst, it makes no sense. And it's stupid and
why is he even doing this? He's got a hired a lawyer and he's
gonna do all this stuff so he can vote for John Kasich,
because otherwise he's enabling Trump. Well, in other words, he
does what he's supposed to do. He's voting for Trump. Well,
then, you know, the idea is they need to get it doesn't matter
where they get them from they need to get 37 electors to vote
for someone else to one person
seven Trump electors. And yeah, he's actually making it so they
need 38 Well, that's nuts. That's what I'm trying to
express.
I got you that's totally nuts. Well, then, let me bring you
something from the great state of Texas, where we have a
turncoat we have our turncoat elector who there I'm gonna I'm
not gonna vote for Trump. I can't do that in good
conscience. This guy, he's a fraud. And it was Tucker Carlson
who gave us the clip.
Well, here's something new and anti Trump Republican elector is
facing allegations that he lied in a big way about being a first
responder on 911. According to a report from W F. A television
Texas electric Christopher Suprun claimed to be one of the
first firemen on the scene at the burning Pentagon on the day
of the attacks. But investigation discovered Suprun
wasn't hired as a fireman until October of 2001. A month later,
and in the case, his fire department didn't even respond
to the Pentagon attacks. Well, super appeared on this program
last week to talk about his refusal to vote for Trump if he
missed it. Here's part of it. You describe yourself and I
think I'm quoting as a moral elector, but you're suggesting
that people who are voting for Trump in the electoral college
tuition are immoral?
No, I'm saying I'm taking a conscious decision to consider
who I'm voting for. I don't think Donald Trump meets the
test to be qualified to be president.
Well, despite intense and growing criticism, supranet is
standing by his story as improbable as the story now
sounds he claims he was a member of another fire department in
Virginia. And of course, we'll bring you updates on this
fascinating story.
Oops. wrong guy. They pick the wrong guy. They got duped.
Well, Republicans who are ones who got duped, somebody got
duped. Well, he's on the Republican slate. Yeah. Tucker,
Carlson's
dad started Voice of America. I think I knew that. I think he
may have even been I've been
on the broadcast Board of Governors, which by the way, is
changing. Just talking about fake news and propaganda. No
longer will the entire board be appointed, but the President
will appoint the CEO of the broadcast Board of Governors.
And that will be the only guy who has to be approved. And he
will be the guy, one person who takes direct the orders I guess
from the President, though, it's just going to get easier, I
would say, depending on none of this is good. No, it's not. And
then just a couple other things, almost as predicted, The
Washington Post now promoting a plugin for your browser. And she
I saw this, I knew it was going to happen. I told you Did you
just see my retort on Twitter? No, I didn't. What do you say?
I'd rather have a plugin in my browser that that fact checks
the Washington Post.
And I'm sure they responded immediately by blocking you. I
mute switch doesn't work anymore. It's a little crackly.
Yeah. So you could see it's very crackly. Yeah. So you can pick
up a an extension for Donald Trump's tweets and it will
change everything he says ancient truth. And then there's
also a new website Snopes for snopes.com glad that someone
started that thing. It's Snopes. Oh, that's
a great idea.
Yeah. Snopes for Snopes dot let's start
with that. Al Gore. And wait a minute.
Wait a minute. If you go to Snopes for snopes.com Let's see
what we get. I think you might want to try this. Let me see.
Yeah, go to Snopes for snopes.com Snopes for snopes.com
Got it?
No, I haven't even got my browser up. Oh man. I was ready.
Okay, now I'm
going to do it. Snopes for Snopes.
I know what it is. Is Snopes.
Nope. Nope. So snopes.com
server not found now.
f o r. Snopes for Are Snopes 20 got now you're not doing it?
Oh, I have no first
Snopes for Snopes you can get the first so the chat room
already is there.
Good for them? Yeah. Well, they've obviously brought to say
down because now it's not coming up.
Doesn't seem possible. Well, it couldn't
be if it's on a 1200 baud modem I've seen worse.
Alright, well, that's too bad. I can't it won't happen again.
Well, it redirects to no agenda show dog. Oh, wait, wait, wait.
I
went to this segment. Yeah. Yeah. Real happy guy says no
agenda.
Yeah, exactly. It redirects to our show.
Oh, that's hilarious.
Oh, well, it would have been better if, if you had a browser
open.
No, I have a series of more NBC. Evidence. Wanted to ask you a
question. I'm actually stunned by that guy saying that NBC is
like, apologist for Trump.
Well, no. Promo No, I'll ask you later Pro. Go ahead. We're a
little behind. I want to get to our first segment. Do you want
to just say something
allows just tease it tease it because our segment is not going
to be very long. Okay, tease it. Okay, good assistant and
McFadden doing just what I consider to be just a horrible
report. But it's slamming Trump and his and his people being
President
Obama today defended his level of response to Russian hacking
aimed at influencing the election. Well, for the first
time appearing to directly point a finger of blame at Vladimir
Putin. The White House blew the whistle on the hack in October
without great detail today acknowledging some of what we
reported exclusively this week. The President said that at the
time, he wanted to play the information straight in the
midst of a hyper partisan election. But NBC News has
learned some details of secret operations that forth further
Russian meddling. Our chief investigative correspondent
Cynthia McFadden has more tonight.
NBC News broke the news this week that Russian President
Vladimir Putin directed Russia's meddling into the US election.
And this afternoon, President Obama all but confirmed
it not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin.
What he declined to say was whether Hillary Clinton lost
because of the Russian meddling,
I'm gonna let all the political pundits in this town have a long
discussion about what happened in the election.
Officials tell NBC News that the nation's intelligence agencies
all agree Donald Trump elected became one of Russia's motives,
along with undermining confidence in the US election.
While President Obama tried to reassure the country today, his
administration took appropriate steps to warn Russia
although I think we handled it the way it should have been
handled.
He is still declined to give specifics about what the US did
to protect the nation around the election. But tonight on NBC
News can report that at least a half dozen clandestine actions
were taken by the US to ensure the integrity of the voting
process itself. According to a senior intelligence official
with direct knowledge of these operations, for the first time
in American history, hundreds of military and intelligence cyber
experts who work out of top secret facilities, including
underground bunkers, monitored real time intelligence and cyber
traffic regarding the election. I like the theater of the mind,
including underground bunkers.
That's the real reason for that part of the clip. What are you
talking about? Why do they have underground bunkers to do some
IP tracking?
It sounds it sounds cooler.
Oh, they're in underground bunkers. These guys. Right
from why? Well, I have a crackpot command center. Let's
be honest.
But it's not an underground bunker.
Not that, you know,
I know. My people. And I have I've have it on good authority
from secret documents. So you're got no underground bunker?
No. You mean from the officials inside the State Department who
wish to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to
speak about the intelligence.
Right? Although they have to take a lie detector test. It's
unbelievable. This is unbelievable how bad this
that's my favorite. That's my favorite part. It's like well,
you know, they have to take a lie detector test but they're
good at lying. But they don't lie to us. No, no, don't lie to
us. Come on. Come on. Come on. They don't lie to us. All right.
You have a you have a part two and three of this, I believe.
Yeah, I think let's play part two. I kept it as a three parter
for a reason.
It was all hands on deck to a wreck. thought would be an
impenetrable defense all
hands on deck all hands on deck all hands into the bunker.
designed to detect
firewall fight I dyed dye.
Cyber firewall designed to detect and block any Russian
cyber warriors from interfering in the American infrastructure
brought to you by Intel, from the US power grid to the
nation's communication system.
advertise this more. Yeah, it
sounds great. We're all gonna die.
US power grid to the nation's communication system. Every
one of the nation's communication systems what is
our nation's communication systems,
Time Warner Cable spectrum
system, every vulnerable path was monitored. The senior
intelligence official told NBC News imagine protecting the
Rockefeller Center Christmas tree from the bottom from below
from the sides. Now imagine you have to protect every one of the
50,000 bulbs on the tree from electromagnetic interference.
You can do it, but it takes extraordinary resources. But
last night at a private party with her top supporters, Hillary
Clinton suggested Vladimir Putin has a vendetta against her did
help shape the outcome.
This is not just an attack against me and my campaign that
may have added fuel to it. This is an attack against
our country. something the President acknowledged today as
well. Our goal
continues to be to send a clear message to Russia for others not
to do this to us. Because we can do stuff to you
cut it out, cut it out dudes
talking about almost like projecting every light bulb and
all you have to do is protect the one cord and the extension
cord. Yeah.
Unbelievable. Yes. before
you're ready, you're really really surprised.
The I'm after totally surprised. I'm always surprised, otherwise
I wouldn't be doing this show. Okay. I am flabbergasted by some
of this stuff. It goes on like this. And it's just crazy.
Do the last clip, then.
A senior intelligence official tells us the massive us effort
should itself signal to the public. How seriously the Obama
administration imminent
what massive? They're telling us nothing. How can it be a signal
to us if you say well, we're not going to tell you what we're
doing. But it's massive. That is just don't understand what she's
saying.
A senior intelligence official tells us the massive us should
itself signal to the public how seriously the Obama
administration took the threat, the feeling inside we heard.
In other words, they didn't take it seriously at all. And now
since all since the Hillary didn't win as expected, now
they're just making and making stories up just to finish off
the year. That's right.
Go to the public how seriously the Obama administration took
the threat. The feeling inside the White House, as we heard
from the President today was that to reveal the details of
what was going on would further alarm the public and undermine
American confidence in the electoral process.
Alright, Cynthia, thank you and the Russians meantime are trying
to hit back at the American claims today. We want to get
reaction from there from our chief foreign correspondent
Richard angle in Moscow.
Developments in a cold angle words.
In Russia, the message to Washington today was put up show
proof of Moscow's election hacking more Shut up.
Yeah, bam.
Yeah, yeah. How to first Shut up. And then they don't want to
give us any details because they don't want to alarm the public.
They don't want to Yeah, they're gonna alarm the public that we
didn't do crap about anything if we even suspected something.
Wow.
Yeah, it's pretty bad. Well, you know, luckily, we're here.
We're saving the day. Yes. Right.
And with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in
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You know, I would say have a clip. I'm going to play it let's
play it now as we get killed with me. I've This is Trump's I
think this is Mobile Alabama speech that he just gave like
yesterday, the day before his hours the Pennsylvania but he
didn't know his mobile for sure. Oh, I know exactly what this is.
Okay, this is just a small clip. This is the Trump's jobs jobs
jobs clip and I want to play it and then I have a commentary.
We are going to stand up for the American worker like nobody has
ever stood up for that worker. Our economic agenda can be
summed up in three very beautiful words. Jobs, jobs,
jobs.
I actually I said that jobs,
jobs, jobs. I like
that. Yeah.
Now. Now, I was thinking about this because Nancy Pelosi thing
is jobs. Jobs, jobs. Let's end job now.
Let's vote for jobs.
No, then then she says Let's vote for job.
I think it's jobs jobs. She says for jobs. Yes. Jobs, jobs, jobs
and jobs. Yes. For jobs, you're right.
Now, I just want to mention a little writer's trick is a
rhetoric trick. If you want, there's three ways of up if you
want to do this gag you can do let's get jobs and jobs, which
is two jobs, jobs and jobs is three, and jobs, jobs, jobs,
jobs is four. And you will use them in writing or to make
points or to you know, get somebody to think one way or the
other, you always use these repetitive things. And the rule
is when you do it twice, that means you're you're just you're
demanding and you don't want to go on about it. You just get
this is a very, it's very important. I'm getting to the
point that you're making a point and you're you're wrapping it
up. If you do it three times. That means you're supposed to
you're kind of the guy in the middle again, like Trump was at
the table in the judge's position in the middle where
you're you're then it's also the Trinity you got one to the
Father, Son Holy Ghost to us three, and that's supposed to be
the most that's that's like, Oh, it's a fact. And then if you use
for like Nancy Pelosi does, that means you're off the rails,
you're off the rails, and you're emotionally so involved in this
that you have to go four or even five.
And this is a writer's trick. It's kind of
a writer's thing. Yeah. I don't know why I remember learning
that. I call it I love
it when you analyze the writers and you know, you know exactly
how this works. I love that. It's great.
It's good stuff. Anyway, giovine here so Pelosi has actually got
the most powerful of the group I think because she sounds crazy.
It's crazy. Well, then we have Trump is reasonable. That's
what's odd about it like the people that always give him
crap, but
we also have the Nancy and Trump together
jobs jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for
jobs
but yeah, we're I'm hesitant I we need to we need to just use
the Pelosi because that's the one that works I don't want to
use a different jobs karma because it works. Yeah, we can't
change that.
Pelosi is what what it is. Yeah. All right. Onward. Yes, Sir Don
and wind him New Hampshire. 2222 primay Hi, guys, Don here. I
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I need maximum karma. I broke his neck. I need maximum karma
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hit in the mouth. But who'd, but who knows she is coming over if
she's she?
Maybe she has other things to do. Yeah, I
think she's got other things on our mind. Well, I've been a
donor since 2012. And Sir Brian destroyer of Cohen's hit me in
the mouth. My accounting shows and I'm well beyond Baronet. But
I hate that title. And I will wait for Baron. Okay. Thanks for
your help. And a great show. Keep it up.
All right, well, your maximum karma here and maximum maximum
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buddy Joe, we wish him good luck.
And that's all we got for today's show. Eight, seven, we
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pick it up. And then we're on our way to Christmas.
I do want to mention that I received a package yesterday a
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markings on it. It's at this side up live yeast inside, like
all kinds of stuff on it, you know, this side up this. Okay.
And then as I'm opening it up, there's another box inside and
whoever pack this up and cut up one of those pool noodles. You
know those noodles with a bowl that you float on.
But yeah, they're big. They're big.
You cut one up into pieces. And you said like his, you know,
shock absorbing material. There's another box inside it
says Be very careful with opening this. And Tina actually
said, I'm not gonna stand near you while you're doing that.
Okay, well, it doesn't feel too heavy. So I don't think there's
no actual bomb inside, cutting it open, you know another box
inside. And then turns out this was a gag gift. inside another
box was a small sack of safety pins. Which I guess is the joke
because that's the safety pin is your Oh, this is your safe sign.
Yeah, so that was Matthew. today. It was a gag gift. I hope
you liked it. Thanks. I did he did put in some live yeast he
put in some IPAs in there so at least I got something to drink
but people if you ask me for my dress to send something don't do
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just like Sir Don that you can do the same go out there hit
people in the mouth propagate the formula. Our
formula is this. We go out. We hit people in the mouth
righty now let's finish off what you wanted to do here.
Well, that was the NBC ludicrous thing but I do have a couple of
things. Shields. PBS by the way, I haven't changed the lienor
report because but I'm going to keep it kind of updated. PVS
seems to have been I don't know what happened. I think the last
one said when quit or quit died.
So I was wondering, do you want to quit so bad she just died. I
think
that she had a great influence on the show. I didn't realize
this until she disappeared and died. Interesting because the
show has seriously changed. Oh, and I think she was now looking
at me trying to analyze I think she was a calming influence. Now
we
feel bad that we always made
fun of her older a hagiography Yes. I feel bad anyway. He
should. But it seems because now it's gone crazy. It's like very
antiTrump there's a lot of the poetry readings and why have
these swayed away? Well, I mean, they have this legs my opinion
pieces which come on and somebody some nude Nick from God
knows where it goes on about themselves. And I'm gonna apply
so I can go on about myself. And it's just like there's it's just
lost that certain element of, of I don't know what it what it
was, but she I would have to say she was responsible because it's
not there anymore. That's the only reason I'd say that. But
now we have shields, who's not with Brooks today. He's with
some guy from the National Review, but shields and the
decent Democrats, which is what he's supposed to represent in
this little debate that they have to record his the way
Through the show, he's supposed to be the Democrat but these
today's Democrats are hate Russia, which is very unusual
because they were always influenced by a Marxist, which
were, you know, supposedly given their orders from, from the
Kremlin. Yes. The hates Russia hates us. And they're talking
patriotism and all this crazy stuff. And they also believe
that
wait a minute women, what do you mean, they were talking
patriotism and all this crazy stuff? What do you mean?
Well, I mean, but crazy stuff is for Democrats. Oh, Democrats are
not patriotic Democrats are. We're not it. We're a Russia
haters, right. Democrats were pro labor. But now the crazy
thing is they I think they're panic because labor doesn't like
the Democrats anymore. They're voting Republican. Yeah. And
that's what causes Hillary the election, I believe. Yeah. And
so they're completely freaked out. So this listen to some of
these rants, these rantings. This is shields, and I think the
first one is it just yeah, this is shields on patriotism, and
Trump and Russia.
most alarming to me is Donald Trump will become president of
the states, he won the election alarm. This is not about who won
the election, he will become the 45th. President on the 20th of
January. It is about whether the sovereignty and self
determination of the United States was compromised by a
organized at the highest Russian levels, which means the
imprimatur of Mr. Putin, espionage sabotage of the
American democratic system. And there's an office in this
country higher than that a president that's that a patriot?
And John McCain is filling that right now. John McCain is
saying, These are questions that must be answered. These are
questions that demand an answer. And the idea is Mitch McConnell,
the Republican Senate majority leader says send it to the
Intelligence Committee. It's just a way of sending it to
Limbo because we had we spent $40,000,000.05 years in the
intelligence committee investigating torture and have a
grab, we have yet to get a report on it.
Okay,
so once you mentioned McCain, of course, especially if you're a
Democrat. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, you've lost all
credibility. But he goes on about patriotism and all the
rest of it and Trump and and he talks about us losing our
sovereign, we lost our sovereignty to the WT Oh, yeah,
we lost our sovereignty to NAFTA. There are different
provisions in those in those treaties that take our
sovereignty away, literally. And those are all done by Bill
Clinton. Clinton, Bill Clinton has already taken our
sovereignty away, but I don't really think these democrats
realize that and getting it back is going to be more a problem. I
disagree. I think they do understand that they don't want
to admit it.
Well, they're globalist shields is like the rest of their
globalist they don't do that. But here's what that always says
crazy. You're a globalist, you're not supposed to once
individual sovereignty. That's nationalism. Hey, he made what
is it? So these guys are, you know, they're completely mind
screwed. They get, you know, they're thinking the fuzzy
thinking is coming out. Anyway. That's what I'm talking about
here.
We will not get a 911 commission. But I think John
McCain and Armed Services Committee with Jack Reed, the
Democrat with Lindsey Graham and others came pretty damn good
committee. I think you'll get an honest, you know, we needed the
idea that people who were so concerned about a $500,000
contribution to the Clinton Foundation changing and
influencing American foreign policy somehow indirectly. And
in curious about Russia's involvement in sabotaging an
American election. Just is unforgivable to me and
irrational.
I love how we throws out that number like it's just 500,000
has nothing. It's just 500 million always said 500 million.
I use No, no, he
said 500,000 He said
500,000 Like it's nothing about that. It's just peanuts. No one
is bribable for 500,000.
Yeah, and then he goes into the Russia sabotaged. He's gonna
weigh over the the band here for market. They said I'm sorry,
sabotaged is not with any This is not what happened. But
anyway, could no
sub I totally agree. And words matter? No one's watching this
crap anymore. John, no one's watching.
We are well, there's people from watching. We're doing it
for market. I mean, getting to you to what both of you are
saying this does leave a cloud of a dark cloud hanging over the
question of our democracy. I mean, if another nation
unfriendly to put it I guess in the in the best terms, it can
come in and and leak and get information and have it leaked
at will. What does that say that our says Well,
no, it says such attacks and be that we were manipulated and
could be manipulated by Russia. Let me Russia This is not a one
off or Russia. I mean, Russia has done it already in Germany
and Italy and democracies in Western Europe.
Yeah. Yeah, they the Brexit, everything Germany, Italy. It's
all Russia. It's all it makes nothing but sense because, of
course Germany has a direct pipeline from gas to the North
Stream. Of course, they don't want that from Russia. Of
course, they don't want the Russians buying their cars,
which is the Euro round trip. It's very well known. That's how
the Euros flow. They sell their cars. Russia needs to have euros
to buy the cars. Now Germany doesn't want that at all. No.
Nor does Russia know. Just hack away. Stupid morons. And by the
way, when we do a Trump bid, gotta do the jingle.
He's Trump. He's Trump. The President didn't.
And now the tread the tread the President, my mouth today.
President Trump today. Yesterday, tweeted about the
Chinese stealing our research drone. I wanted to talk about
this research drone for a moment if you don't mind.
Okay, I use this story. I did pass up.
Yeah. No, there's also no clips. However, yeah, no, you said
no clip. Oh, I'm
sorry. I'll make sure I call you out every time you say
I wish you would. I was thinking about just that the other day,
because we did. Because I was watching too much television to
get these clips. And everybody's saying yeah, no,
no, no. Okay, here we go. This. So the President, the President
Elect tweeted, hey, this is unprecedent crazy Chinese,
seizing our research drone, which in other stories has been
called the equivalent of a weather balloon. But here's the
great thing. We have a number of subs under the water guys who
listen to the show. In fact, we have a rather high percentage, I
would say, of submariners. Good. And you'd think that you'd call
them. By the way, I just did take an aside here. That has got
to be I think for any person, you really have to be something
special to be in those submarines for hours on end. And
under the water. It's just a cramped?
Well, let me take it one step further. Specifically, at least
one of our subs out of the water guys works specifically with
these research drones. In fact, he told me, the I would say at
risk to himself. What he did, and what this is about. The
first he says no doubt about it. If that drone could not have
been more than about 100 words, he said about five miles, but
more likely, like 150 feet from the drone, because that drone is
tethered to the USS Jimmy Carter, which our guy worked on.
In fact, he was one of the operators of said research drone
and a diver. And he said this is about one thing. And if you have
not you should read the book. blind man's bluff. Have you
heard of this? I'm sure you've heard. I have heard of it. We
have not read. Okay, blind man's bluff is about the about the
untold story of American submarine espionage. And here's
how it works. This, this initially was written about the
USSS Parsh I think pa AR ch E. And the drones go out there
tethered. And they do a couple of things. But mainly they cut
and tap into fiber optic cables so that you can do that
remotely. And we've been doing this for 40 years. It's uh,
these these ships, these submarines have about 30 to 40
spooks on them CIA guys who and there's a continuous data stream
and some of them from 40 years ago are still working. So I was
of course fascinated and our guy is talking about this and then
he opened up a little bit more says yeah, yeah, we used to do
some interesting stuff. Do you remember the Kursk? Remember
that submarine disaster? The Russian, the Russian submarine?
And they said, Well, looks like a torpedo blew up in the tube.
And then we waited for days and they tried to go down and get
the thought maybe some guys would be alive in one
compartment of the submarine. You do recall
that I vaguely remember that. Some of this. This was a while
back. Yes.
Well, apparently our dude named Ben was also involved in an
operation. Where do they bend our Submariner and operation
where they went to go pick up some bits and pieces from that?
wreck? Covert He, of course, because and I'm just quoting
here. If anyone had found those bits and pieces it would have it
would have had raised some very nasty stories, and so on. Now
Now I'm very interested. He says, Okay, well, you need to
look up USS San Francisco, HMS onyx, the submarines who have
that have had these weird kind of accidents. And the accidents
are well, of course, the curse was not a we, I mean, that was a
very deadly accident. I think the USS San Francisco they said
that it ran into something under the water. You recall the Kursk,
there was a conspiracy theory that there was an underwater
collision with another submarine. I think the
conspiracy theory was a NATO submarine. But here's what's
happening. And this is a term I had not heard before. If you
Google the term, it's barely Google trouble. It's called
under hauling. And what happens is, you take your sub and u s,
and you get underneath the Russian sub, about eight feet
below it, you use your parents called under hauling. So you're
under the haul, you use your Periscope, to take pictures, and
you send out the divers to attach magnetic charges to the
Hall of the adversary, in this case, the Russian sub, but the
Russians do this too. And they are blowing up subs with this
practice. And he says any guy who's sub under the water, ships
at sea, some of them water knows the term under hauling. And he
says we're doing it and this was no research drone. We were
definitely spying on the Chinese. And today comes out the
news which I find interesting China agrees to return our
stolen Navy drone. I'm not quite sure why they're so easy to give
it back.
But my question is what the question still remains what they
give it back in one piece every time that they've captured one
of our devices. This has been discussed in one news article.
They say always return it but it's like been already
disassembled and they don't bother reassembling it.
Well, this thing is pretty simple. All it all it's intended
to do is cut and tap into fiber optics. I'm sure they know about
it. But I thought it was pretty interesting to learn about blind
man's bluff about the about the under hauling and and how we
possibly were responsible for the Kursk Disaster. Possibly.
It adds to the conspiracy.
I'm buying it I'm not saying cuz I'm thinking this is very true.
And of course, then my final question was, please tell me
that you guys are around Antarctica all the time because
yeah, that's the number one place. All the subs are in
Antarctica. It's called Operation Deep Freeze. And I
guess we're there to protect the Nazi flying saucers. I'm not
sure. Something's going on there. For sure.
Yeah. Yeah. Anyone who watches these great channels on cable
History Channel, there's no history to anymore. It's now the
H C channel, which I believe means Adolf Hitler channel. And
they're all they always discussed the bell, and the
flying saucers and the secret Nazi flying saucer Base In
Antarctica, because it's so convenient. You don't have to
pull it in the Andes or someplace that at least you can
go go down and buy something at the grocery store. You're gonna
put it in Antarctica. Yeah, that just makes nothing but sense.
That's
where you put it. Of course, of course. I still
want to you as soon as I hear about the cable splicing I'm
always thinking, which I guess is doable with fiber not as not
with much difficulty. But I'm always reminded Remember though
do was during our era or the Showa era that no agenda era.
They had this cable was sliced in the in the Mediterranean and
yes, all these countries couldn't get any kind of
connections if they had to go route around all over the places
to get an internet connection out. I've always been
susceptible thing has always been suspect. That event.
So as we now know, for 40 years, we've been for 40 years
misplacing cables and cows. Oh, crap, you had something about?
Was that in your previous clip, the 911 Commission, or was it
something some strange almost like a non sequitur, we won't
get a 911 commission?
Guess what he said? Yeah,
I caught Feinstein on MSNBC, I think with Andrea Mitchell, and
she said something really odd, under the heading of the truth
always wants to come out, see if you can catch it.
And I can cite cases of interrogation where information
was gotten, for example, Ali Soufan. In the case of the Blind
Sheikh This is was a while ago, but he got enough information so
that the Blind Sheikh that bombed that earlier, nine, not
the 911 bombing, but the one that took place earlier in 93.
Right. Yeah, that he pled guilty and a serving a life sentence.
Did you hear what she said? No. Okay, I'll play it one more
time. Just listen carefully, not the
911 bombing, but the one that took place
earlier in 93. Right. Yeah, that he
played. You can't hear it quite there. Here it goes again. He
got
enough information so that the Blind Sheikh that bombed that
earlier, nine are not the 911 bombing, but the one that took
the 911 bombing, since one was 911 a bombing?
Oh I really doubt that if there was a controlled demolition,
which you could consider a bombing, that Feinstein would
have any knowledge of any such thing. I could be wrong though.
She's in the Senate. I'm just intelligence committee, so you
never know what she's pointing it out, man. And man, just one
man just pointed out man, don't don't give me Don't harsh my
mouth. Oh.
I gotta I got to. I wish this was done by Democracy Now. But
just imagine. Just imagine. Yeah, we're in a moment. We're
in a moment of global cooling. It's everything's cooling. It's
all and everybody's in 99% of all scientists agree that it's
cooling that we're, we're going into a new ice age. And we need
you know, and everybody agrees everybody agrees that 99% Of all
the scientists agree like they used to in 1977. Yes. So let's
play this and you at the end you could imagine AMY GOODMAN coming
on at all I just bought this is more evidence more evidence of
global cooling. Yes, I found it.
500 crashes on Minnesota roads. Now that the snow is stopped a
new dangerous moving in extreme cold in Minnetonka, Minnesota,
Becky Asli is preparing for temperatures that feel like 40
degrees below zero. So what precautions do you take
oh well getting gas I have a quarter tank right now. And so
we know the closer you are to I have to take a guess the more
likely it is it's not gonna freeze with the cold
temperatures that are coming.
In many parts of the country. Today's high temperatures aren't
much warmer than last night's frigid lows. And tulsa oklahoma
fire officials warned against unsafe heating. After a fire
killed an elderly woman
turned all the gas burners on and they set a fan next to it to
blow that heat into the living room.
On the west coast. Heavy rain caused mudslides in the Los
Angeles area. People there are still struggling to clean up.
Just as the holiday rush is getting underway. More than 2000
flights were either canceled or delayed Saturday morning across
the country. Here in Minneapolis. They're expecting
their coldest temperatures in December, in more than 16 years.
The temperature is expected to drop to more than 20 degrees
below zero. Michelle? Thank you, Jamie Lucas. Well, despite the
weather retailers say today could turn out to be the busiest
shopping day of the holiday season.
Well, I want to say something. We had a rare complete inversion
yesterday in Austin. 72 degrees at 4pm. Yeah. And we were warned
that a cold front was coming in Tina and I went out to get you
know, a couple of groceries. We just walked around the corner.
We came back and all of a sudden the two front the front hit. And
it was it was it was actually a little scary and they were
shipped flying off a balconies they were I mean, we have a lot
of construction here. I was worried one of the cranes might
come to come down it was the wind was unbelievable. Just
whipping through the states. And it went down the link. And this
morning 27. We went from 72 degrees to 27.
No crack a few windshields global cooling
air, which is what I've always asserted is really hot whenever
whatever, whatever the government says just think the
other way. Although man, your guy in California, Jerry Brown
is off off the rails.
This is not news. So he
it's not news. But I do have a clip of him going off the rails,
which is always comedic.
We have the laws, we have the tools of enforcement, and we
have the political will and we will set the stage we'll set the
example and whatever Washington thinks they're doing, California
is the future. So a lot of people say what the hell are you
doing Brown? You're not a country well judged by measures
of gross domestic product of over 2.2 trillion, were the
fifth or sixth largest account anything in the world?
And yeah, and you have one of the largest debts in the world,
in the world.
We got a lot of firepower that doesn't appear. So you got two
scientists, we got the universities, we have the
national labs, and we have the political cloud and
sophistication for the battle. And we will persevere. Have no
doubt about that. Resume.
Okay, sure. The Dead Kennedys clip right there.
Usually you have that. Well, I
do it did look at California. Overall, this clip is still
gotta be around.
I have the song. Well, you have a clip? Yeah. I mean, well, this
week. No, you don't. I don't know where it is.
Okay. What's he talking about? Well, he's
talking about the fact that they are going to fight global
warming, cooling, advertising, whatever you want to call it.
And they have the resources to do it. No money, but they have
the everything they are the
most about the law. They're passing, they're passing a law
saying by 20 Something all cars must be electric. That's
right. Just like the Netherlands, I think it's 2020.
Even or 2026 is real. Actually, one
of the dates I've noticed is that people should be on the
lookout for this. I've noticed a date 2021 Oh, that's a new
wrapping up a lot.
Did you see and I thought this is a message and I tried to work
on I tried to figure it out this heroin bust of $750 million
dollars. Which apparently was a not just one bus, but it was
they were showing all the heroin, that the DEA the largest
haul ever in Afghanistan, if not the world, according to ABC
News. 20 tons. This is gotta be a message to somebody. I mean,
cuz it wasn't just one. It's like, oh, here are the guys we
got it. No, this was a we've got all this from Afghanistan
recently, some time, whatever. And then you see all these
there's also a lot of different heroin stories popping up. Of
course, now we know that more people die from opioid overdose
then from gun them from guns, a car accident or car accidents.
But I think still more people die in the hospital, you know,
from Mercer and other horrible from being in the hospital in
the hospital, basically. But I don't know what it is yet. And
maybe one of our producers out there knows. But to me, this was
a message I just don't know from who to whom.
But well, I don't know that we have that many people inside the
drug industry that can tell us it'd be nice if we had one.
person that would be nice.
I don't know does it doesn't sound right. The whole thing is
that this maybe it's just maybe the supply has been out of
control, like the oil supply and they had to pull some of this
stuff off the market to jack up the prices a little bit because
the middlemen aren't getting their cut could be could be
because everyone keeps talking about cheap it is yeah. Maybe it
shouldn't be cheap anymore. Let's jack it up. Oh, oh,
little interim little interim Diddy. I forget these things. I
really do. And also when you're talking August 2015 Who the heck
remembers what we did on episode 745? Do you
we started off with the song a jingle And then
luckily producer Tim II sent me a clip well it brings me joy.
It will be railroaded out of the getting ever getting nominated.
And we shall see. You want to put money on that?
Yeah, I'll put five bucks on Trump. Okay, five bucks. It is
five bucks that he is he What are we going for? The Hebron
comic cash? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's in he's the he's the man. Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. I think you owe me $5 Indeed. And I love this
little ISO. That's you. That's your disdain for my prediction.
Yes, you win.
Send it over, son.
I will. I'll send it over with some other stuff that you you've
been accumulating. Let's talk about I have go ahead. I said I
have a series of clips that we can play before after the bigger
break. Okay. Oh, wait here play this first. 50 pound note this
came off of a British
Yes. War on Cash. I have a couple of these on the Where's
it 50
with an F Yes. Got our
bills to tax evasion. Banks say that 50 pound nodes are mostly
used for criminal activity. Yeah,
now it seems they could become a thing of the past last year the
Bank of England didn't print any new notes and most cash machines
don't dispense them.
Well today an article in the Financial Times questions
whether they're actually quietly being phased out.
Yeah, I had this I think I have. I saw the same bit only I pulled
the clip of the expert. They rot in. And I'll play that, because
he gave a little detail as to what other fake ideas there were
to remove cash from the British society. Is this the beginning
of the end for the 50? Well, we don't really know. I mean, as
you said, they didn't print any last year. But they say there
are reasons for that. They haven't put them into the
sequence of conversion to polymer, which, of course, we've
got the fiver. Now, the 10 pound in 2018, the 20 pound in 2020,
no mention of the 50. So that's another sort of little hint. And
of course, they're quite hard to get the cash machines generally
don't dispense them a few. But very rarely, you can, of course,
go into a bank and get them I got these fine examples
yesterday from a bank just down the road. And they gave me them
without any problem. But then there's the question, what do
you do with them to shops take them? And I think they are
becoming rarer. And so the suggestion is, they may be on
that slow path towards disappearing.
But we've touched on some of the reasons why the banks might want
to phase out this idea of criminal activity. And they
probably have a point, Danny?
Yes. I mean, they are the biggest store of value.
Certainly in England and Scotland and Northern Ireland,
the banks are actually a few 100 pound notes. So yes, they do
suspect that they're used as an easily transportable store of
value. But of course, they're much smaller than, for example,
the 500 euro note really worth nearly 10 times as much that's
being phased out from 2018. And of course, we saw in India
recently, I think you reported the 1500 rupee notes, which
aren't actually that high value, but they were phased out
immediately. And that was to stop people. And it's not just
big criminal activities, like buying drugs or moving money
around. It's also the smaller stuff like paying the builder or
a work person, for example, in 50s, because they don't want to
put the money through the books. It's all that kind of thing that
banks get worried about.
No, I don't think banks are worried at all at all at all. In
fact, the banks love the cash because they get to launder it.
I can't believe that they're saying the banks don't want
that. Although they are complicit, of course, the
ultimate goal of having no cash money.
What's gonna happen to money laundering with that, what goes
on this? Well, I've always perceived this as just a tax
grab. Even small change. I mean, the small transactions, I think,
which includes fibers and dollars and quarters, and
nickels, is a $3 trillion business. In other words, $3
trillion of small chamber did a story on this. So I got that
number in my head. Yeah. $3 trillion of small cash
transactions take place every year in the United States, if
you could tax that, right. And even 10%. I mean, that's a lot
of money. Well,
yeah, of course. But you can, yes, you can then tax things
automatically, are taxing because it came in your bank
account, there's control, you can freeze the bank account. A
lot of things can happen. Yeah, all bad. And of course, this is
being touted by the end we have this now in Australia, we have
it in India, we have it in the UK, we're talking about in the
US, they're talking about all over the EU with the 500 Euro
pound note. So cash is disappearing. We have Tim Cook
saying ha we're going to kill cash. He loves it. And I will
say of all the digital money I think Apple is probably Apple
Pay is probably the best. But that's not the point.
And now have an Apple device. What am I supposed to do I get
screwed because I don't use apple. Why should one company be
dominating anything like that? Hey, man, should be a government
thing of anything. Oh, yeah, I
want I want I don't want anyone I don't want anyone controlling
my cash. Anyone, not the government or Apple? No. Cash is
king. And so of course now everyone's saying, oh, Bitcoin,
it will be the new store of value. I just, I just don't see
it
that the too inconvenient to
thinking is that India will really push Bitcoin off the
chart now and I'm just not seeing and I'm watching but I
don't see it yet.
It's not gonna happen. I'm doubtful as well. Doubtful.
Well, I did catch while we're on the topic, I did catch a Kansas
native ad, I think it is native advertising for credit cards.
But it also has all these sub does a lot of sub text involve,
again, NBC, and this is about just kind of a rundown of the
benefits of credit card usage. I thought it was this will be my
divorce Tech Tip of the day because there's a lot of good
information in here. But as I I've had mixed feelings about
running because I believed it was a native ad to begin with.
And then it I don't know what the purpose was. And it was also
kind of promoting the cashless society, which I don't like. But
I thought there was a lot of good information in this in this
particular native ad on NBC, which I didn't realize they did
but
All right, everybody standby right after this clip it will be
time for the Forex tip of The day
this is the tip of the day.
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Next. So that's the tip.
I think it was a chip. And I remember that I think American
Express depending on the card you have, would actually cover
your extra insurance that you could pay for a rental car
rental. But the funding by the way, this also incorporated fake
news and B C's version of fake news because that woman who was
super scared, and she realized she gets a free tow she could
call a tow truck herself. But she gets a free tow from
American Express. They showed her on the phone in her car.
They showed the tow truck coming in. And then they showed her a
bit happy as a clam as a tow truck.
Took her car off. Yeah, I would say that's native ad for sure.
It was a native ad and that was fake news. There was no way that
this woman who was Reagan had a camera crew with her when her
car broke down and she was so super scared. So what was that
that was a reenactment it did not say reenactment at the
bottom of the screen. They should
just use one of our jingles. Which one I know and you choose
which one you want. We got tons of them. Fake News. We got tons
of fake news. We got anything you want. Hey,
you read that day. That's right.
Everybody use your Amex. It's got fake news on it.
Anyway, I just brought that up. There's the tip. How's
Good? Well, let us see.
I have Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.
I have a couple of clips from C span. Book TV. Oh, yes. This guy
that I thought these were very interesting. This guy wrote a
book. He's a professor and he wrote a lot of books. I can't
remember his name, but he didn't have the name of the book. You
can look it up and then get his name. I think it's Brennan. And
the book is against democracy. And he writes a bunch of he
writes his book and his you know, I think there's this kind
of a subtext movement that's going on. I'm sorry. Democracy
sucks. Yeah. And here's your evidence. Donald Trump is the
president.
Right? Well, that's why we're a Republican out of democracy.
Yep. So
there's that but that's not really discussed much. But but
he did do they do. They did a lot of market research on the on
the public and how they vote and what they vote about and why
they vote no, the rest of it. I thought a lot of it was
interesting. Let's play. The first one is against democracy.
This is that when it's on ignorance
to cash defensible boat. Yeah, that's right. And in a sense,
like, we've been doing studies of voter behavior and voter
knowledge for over 65 years now. And the what's interesting is
like how little they know is has remained constant. 65 years ago,
people know hardly anything. Now they know hardly anything. Even
though we have smartphones that contain all the world's
information at our fingertips. We use them to look at pictures
of cats and argue about meaningless things with voters
hardly know anything. And, you know, Philip converse, the great
political scientist had a nice quote about this where he said,
the two simplest facts I know about voter knowledge are that
ignorant like the mean is low and variance is high. So if
you're to take sort of the American electorate and give
them a quiz of just basic facts, most basic questions that would
be relevant to an election which just done every two years by
something called the American national election studies, what
you find is that really the top 25% of voters, they get sort of
like a B plus on this quiz, the next kind of middle 50%, they do
roughly about the same as chance. And the bottom 25%
Actually do worse than chance we give them a multiple choice
test, and they get more and more than 75% of questions wrong. And
that's the electorate the people who actually vote that when we
try testing, the people who stay home, they know even less. And
none of this would really matter if ignorance didn't make if
political information didn't change how we vote. But as I
argue in the book, it does, in fact, change how we vote.
is a little bit elitist stuff going on there. Yes. Even though
yes, for 65 years, nothing's really changed. But maybe we
should rethink the whole thing and let the elitist the king,
the king make the decision. Why should we be doing this, but I
found this next clip, actually is it was a generalization is
actually brings into the discussion, a little bit about
our show, oh, insofar as its conclusions are concerned, and I
thought this was very interesting,
the effect of information while controlling for that. So if you
give, give people a quiz, and you ask them who they are, what
they know and what they want, and you do this with 1000s of
people, you can then determine how information affects what
people want, while controlling for whatever effect who they are
has on their on their preferences. And what he finds.
And this is a surprising result, it's not guaranteed by the
method is that, in general, as people become better informed,
regardless of their background party, regardless of their
background demographics, they tend to move towards one set of
policies, some of the become uninformed, they tend to move
towards a different set of policies. And we can look at the
median voter in the US and find that they tend to act as if
they're an uninformed voter. Interestingly, other people like
Brian Kaplan and Martin Gilens, and a few others have done
similar kinds of tests using different data sets, and they
get the same results. So I think we can say things like, yeah,
Paul Krugman and I will end up disagreeing on a lot of things.
But in general, high information, voters are more in
favor of immigration than the average voter, they're more in
favor of free trade and the average voter, they're in favor
of criminal justice reform, they're actually in favor of
increasing taxes to offset the deficit rather than reducing
taxes. They're the policies they advocate, don't really go to a
democratic direction. They don't really go in a Republican
direction. They don't quite go in a libertarian direction.
They're nuanced.
Wait a minute, people who are more informed, want more higher
taxes and want more globalism?
Yes, that's what he said. And I believe here's what here's the
situation. I believe that what he said is true. And what we're
talking about are the people that are more informed than
other people who are like less informed. In other words,
they're more influenced by the mainstream media, the more
informed people are the ones who read the New York Times and you
know, religiously, and they read the Washington Post, they
believe it all. And they're all in on globalism, the two of us
because neither one of us, we'd like sovereignty. Yes. We like
lower taxes. Yes, we like everything. He said, Hi. And for
now, I don't believe there are any two people that I know that
are more informed than the two of us, because for all practical
purposes, all we do is monitor news every day, all the time.
It's all we do. That's all we do. So there is nobody that can
say well, I'm more informed you white, maybe read a few books
more than we do. Are you do some? No. Because you have a job
you have other things that this is our job. Yes. So so we are
hyper informed. And so what happens is you have a bunch of
stages the natural man who's not well informed, he's just a guy
who's a farmer, whatever he doesn't read The New York Times
doesn't care. He is the one that's where nationalism is a
beast probably a populist, he has all these different elements
that are that make his vote less informed, that somewhat informed
that you go to the next stage which is very important and for
some reason in that group, you be kick come suckered into
globalism you don't like the country, you I mean, whatever
MARK SHIELDS said earlier, shows bull crap, these guys aren't
patriots by any means. And they're not. And they're less
patriots, they're, they think that we should have open borders
and high taxes because the way you pay for things is by taxing
more. And then if you go to hyper you go one step further
that gets reversed and essentially, the hyper informed
are just like the uninformed and probably the uninformed make the
same proper decisions at the hyper informed guys, and that's
why the democracy works in this in the Republican sense. Because
people in in Pennsylvania who aren't hyper or or aren't hyper
informed, they're normal. And then you have these so called
really informed people and they're the smart ones that want
higher taxes. There's no logic to wanting higher taxes. I just
get the biggest kick out of people that advocate well, we
should have higher taxes. Why? So okay,
what so we can be more fair to everybody else.
So they end up the people that end up voting then they Like for
the last 65 years, they've been studying this, they end up
making the right decision at the end of the day. Yes, I would say
that's interesting.
Well, along those lines, I've been reading this more and more
on the face bag. And I think when the numbers come out, we
will see this is true. Because of the fake news, and the way
the election turned out, I'm seeing the following everywhere
on the bag. Oh, yes, no, I've taken two subscriptions to make
sure that I'm well informed. I have Washington Post and The New
York Times, and the print subscriptions print mainly, but
also digital. But subs for New York Times Wall Street Journal
are skyrocketing. Because everyone thinks that they are
ill informed and they need to support good journalism. So
they're taking out subscriptions for The Times and Washington
Post. Yeah. Which is, I mean, it's it's feeding itself. The
machine is feeding itself. It's fantastic.
Yeah, I was. I know those numbers, and it's pretty
interesting.
I'd love to know what the numbers are. Do you have, you
know, I don't
have the numbers. Exactly. But I do know, they went up by like,
20%.
And everyone on the bag is just like, oh, yeah, no, and they'll
have conversation just
about one time subscription is extremely expensive. You never
get your money's worth out of it. You end up dropping it
right.
Well, I wanted to inform everybody before we take a break
here. talk briefly about Rex Tillerson, who will be our new
Secretary of State. He was lampooned last night on Saturday
Night Live by
if you can dig up the Tillerson clip from the last show. I
forgot to move it over.
Sure. Let me see. Yeah, hit peace. So we play that? Yeah,
this
is a hit piece of news
about the Tillerson pick over the weekend. Andrea Good
evening.
wants his Secretary of State to reverse what Trump calls years
of misguided foreign policies hiring him precisely because
Tillerson is an outsider with no experience in diplomacy. In Rex
Tillerson Trump has found someone like himself, no
government experience a successful businessman whom
Trump aides praise as Trumpian.
I have a tremendous respect for him. He's a world class club.
Born in Wichita Falls, Texas, joining Exxon Mobil more than
four decades ago, from engineer to Chairman and CEO now dealing
with foreign governments in nearly 50 countries. But his
ties to one country now under the microscope,
my relationship with blood with Vladimir Putin, which dates back
almost 15 years now. I've known him since 1999. And I have a
very close relationship with Him. I don't agree with
everything he's doing.
Improving the tense relationship with Russia was that Trump
campaign promise? Wouldn't it be great if we actually got along
with Russia, but tonight critics are pointing to Exxon Mobil's
efforts to fight climate change rules and tuitions opposition to
sanctions on Russia
coziness with Vladimir Putin is there an alarming and should
shouldn't have been eliminated him frankly,
some Republicans critical to after Tillerson received a
friendship medal from Putin
when he gets the Friendship Award from a butcher. Frankly,
it's an issue that I think needs to be examined.
Married with four children tell us in the past president of the
Boy Scouts embracing their decision to allow gay scouts and
leaders
Yes, he wrestled with he preyed on it. And he, he ultimately
decided I have to do what's good for the boys.
His loyalty to scouting shaped his values.
We have a duty to this country as citizens to participate in
our government,
a Texas oilman who if confirmed will test whether his skills as
a global business leader can work in the world of diplomacy.
Andrea Mitchell, NBC News, Washington.
I'm Richard Engel and Moscow. Kremlin couldn't be happier with
the way Trump's cabinet is shaping up, especially with Rex
Tillerson as potential Secretary of State to let him hear Me Love
is a former Russian Minister of Energy. It is absolutely a gift
for Bucha Tillerson is best known here for making a deal
with an oil giant called burrows NEFT. That's its headquarters
over there, just over the Moscow River from the Kremlin. And
analysts say the company is like a cash cow for President Putin
and his inner circle. Learning McHale crew tea and energy
analyst says the dividends earned by Rosneft end up in only
one place
as as a personal purse or wallet of the restaurant president
could grow significantly and Tillerson is at the center of
it. Exxon Mobil and Russia's Rosneft have an outstanding oil
deal in the Arctic Russia valued at $500 billion a deal so
important after it he was given that Russian Medal of
friendship, but the deal is on hold because of US sanctions.
Obviously the conflict of interest is something that was
written on Mr.
Tillerson for him written on his forehead for conflict of
interest. Yes. especially as Secretary of State Tillerson
will be able to push for the lifting of the sanctions against
Russia, something he lobbied for as a CEO reason. Richard Engel,
NBC News, Mosca.
Now, I was surprised that it was in this report. It was kind of
just mentioned, but I when I was like, Oh, I'm gonna go look up
this guy. First of all, he's distinguished Eagle Scout.
That's no joke. Yeah.
And I know, one eagle scout in my life. Maybe I've met a couple
but it we had one when I was in school, because I was in the boy
scouts. Yeah, that is not an easy thing to come by
distinguish not just Eagle Scout, but distinguish Eagle
Scout, which is like Eagle Scout. Plus.
It's outrageous that anyone who I have nothing but the most
respect besides the submariners? Yeah. For Eagle Scouts, this is
a big deal.
Yeah. And Tillerson was the is the president of Boy Scouts of
America. And here's his quote, that he said in 2013, at the
National annual meeting, no youth may be denied membership
in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation
or preference alone. And, and we're willing to come bash him
about being a Putin lover and everything. And of course,
everyone has funny jokes about the Boy Scouts, obviously,
hahaha, yes. All pedophiles. Sure, whatever. But you can't
deny that one of the main things that the left has against the
entire Trump administration. Is there a bunch of racist homo
haters, and that one won't stick with Tillerson?
And they go the Putin route with him
and I watched his his whole industry make Kane again. Oh,
this guy and someone criticized within my personal sphere, that
you guys are always you'd only harp on the left only the left I
said no. We hate the two biggest right wing a holes. McCain and
Graham.
Yeah. Used to be three of them. One of them got ousted. Finally
AR T out got out as to
anyway, so I you know, that's a good little tidbit to hold in
the back of your pocket. If you ever get cornered by a bunch of
people.
Don't ever get cornered. But well, you never go out. I know I
stay at home all the time. And you don't want to buy stuff. But
I'm going to be at the big meet up in Beverly Hills next Monday.
Oh, don't forget, we got a big meetup per day after Christmas.
I'll be sending out a note about it. Probably tomorrow. If you're
not on the newsletter, you better be alright. And on
Thursday, I'll give more details if we need to, I think you know
by then. All right. And so I go out for that. Now, back to this
this guy. I like this tilt. I think he's a gruff character
that I probably wouldn't get along with. Or maybe it'd be
good drinking, buddy. I don't know. Hey, he's got the
credentials. You what? Do you want to put somebody in there
that he hates Russia and AIDS? Putin? Is that what you want?
Yeah, apparently. Why?
Well, what a first of all, he has conflict of interest written
on his forehead. I heard
it myself. Yeah, that guy would know. Yeah, he has to give up
everything.
I mean, he has to give up all every yes to his stock. He has
to give all that up. It's one
of those guys who said in the in the clip, he put it in there. I
think you're I think you if you're if you're an American,
you're obligated to do this stuff. I mean, he's got to have
just salary alone is $25 million a year from Exxon Mobil. Who
knows what he makes into the stock? Because in the rest of
it, that he's giving him a job that pay for a job that pays
$200,000? Doesn't anybody look at it from the perspective as
holy crap? We're getting a CEO, high end CEO guy that makes
millions of dollars, and we're getting him on the cheap.
Yeah. I mean, it would be the equivalent of saying we can't
have Tom Collins in our administration. I'm sorry, Tim
Cook. Because he would favor China. Because he makes his
stuff in China. I mean, that would be similar to that,
although it never happened. Because everyone would say Tim
Cook is awesome. Bring him in. Yeah. And but for a moment, then
it's against McCain's. And I understand but you have the
thing. So we have two things. at play. We have the military
industrial complex, and we have the, the oil and gas industry.
And often Of course, we know that the State Department sets
up the extraction of a gas and oil, which is usually done heavy
handedly through the Department of Defense. So okay, so we have
Tillerson is going to be in, he's going to be friends with
Russia. What is going to happen on the global oil market? What
is the strategy? Or maybe gas would be more interesting to
look at that. What is the strategy? Are we going to say
okay, Russia, go ahead Do your Syrian pipeline with Iran? And
have the gas flow into Europe through Cyprus or Greece or
whatever you want to do? I mean, what is the strategy who we want
to help ourselves? isn't America first cabinet?
Right? And I think somebody made the observation is that well,
why? Why fool around with our State Department's entire
business has been to get oil? Yeah, for the country? Why don't
we just put an oil guy in there? I think that what's going to
happen is it's going to probably be about a bunch of instead of
these disputes and these battles and the death of American
soldiers over some of this stuff, there'll be some
agreements, the Russians can have their like when the mob got
his act together, you know, and then they had the big meetings
where the different okay Lucchese, you get this area,
Genova AC, you guys get this, and then you don't cross that
line, you can have that well, then they make a deal instead of
fighting about it. And then everybody benefits supposedly we
get out of a war, and we maybe can have a booming economy in
the 2020 era. Now,
do you think that it is possible that the Russians, I'll just say
Putin to make it easy, that he has some ideas up his sleeve for
more domination? Once he is he gets friendly noise from the new
administration? That mean, do we really trust him?
Well, I think you have to take everything with you. I mean,
Tillerson said himself that he doesn't agree with everything
Putin has ever done. And no, of course not you but you don't
just saber rattle column name, so they can't make any products
and call them out and active rudely. Right. With these guys.
Yeah, especially in Antarctica is going to be the
next, you know, Then why won't Trump do this? I meant Arctic
nut and Arctic, Then why won't Trump do the same with China?
He's only been antagonizing them saying they're a holes and
they're criminals and its
own I think he is going to do the same thing. That's why he
sent that there. I wouldn't go into China as Dan or he's going
to send him as an ambassador. And I think I think I don't know
I don't see any of these guys as problematic.
Oh, I'm not talking about these guys. I'm talking about okay,
you know, what is? What is we're going to be America first. But I
I'm not necessarily on board thinking that Chinese Russians
and other actors don't want to dominate themselves they want to
dominate.
Yeah, I'm sure they do. So do we, that that's not going to
change, but it's going to be done differently. There's no
reason to you know, have these little skirmishes all over the
place and have saber rattling and threatened new
war recourse I agree with that. I agree with that. Particularly
when you make the ultimate mistake that you know, the first
rule of have a handgun if you pull a gun out on someone you
shoot you don't threaten with it. And we seem to be like the
gun pullers and waving them around
and you got to remember this one thing is always overlooked is
Russia and China both have been our traditional allies in real
wars
and in the big ones here right.
And real wars where there were there's millions of people
killed yeah they've always been our ally so way we are enemies
and they give you listen to Cheney or enemies or adversaries
or their adversary economically because they want to pump some
oil out of their places they got a big well yeah,
it's our interest sure they want to sell to people we want to
sell to I think that's ultimately the idea well,
but that's the same with all business you don't need
necessarily go to the dry cleaners because you got to dry
cleaning the gun the guy down so you get better your his take his
business away. You
clearly have never been in Texas. When we get shitty dry
cleaning we come in guns blazing
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of Oh, we've got Alex croak saying oh, wait man is his
birthday on December 24. So we say happy birthday to him. It'll
be 45 Don Mills is Happy Birthday to Tom Todd masa, Mesa,
Arizona. And we all collectively say happy birthday to Steven. He
is void zero son. And he turns away turned one year old
yesterday, December 17. So we say Happy Birthday nice for all
70. What
if they just had this kid is years gone?
Yeah, it's a year, man. It's crazy. It's a year. Happy
birthday, Steven from Uncle John and Uncle Adam. I know, time
flies. It's crazy. Couple of things real quick. I want to
give you the first one. Unbelievable. We keep talking
about comprehensive immigration reform. And what do I always say
is the biggest problem with our immigration system. It's the
cost. It's the cost. It's the call. Yeah, you're right. The
fees, the fees, now they're going up. Again, check it out.
So, application to register permanent residence or adjust
status. Everybody needs this. That's the That's a form i 485.
I've done this. It already cost $985 to fill out your
application. They're jacking that up 16% 2% to $1,140. I
mean, why? Because they can, there is no reason given. Now
you need to have a whole bunch of other things. You need a
genealogy index search, you need a records request. Just give you
some idea. So we have the everything's going up, but some
of them by 57%. So if you are petitioning for your fiancee to
please Can my fiancee come into the country? We're going to get
married, which is a legal process. That's for him. I 129 F
that already cost $340 That's going up 57% to $535. I mean,
this is insane. Insane. All of these fees are you know, at the
about half $1,000 Here. Immigrant petition by alien
entrepreneur. Yeah, check this out form i 526. Was $1,500 is
going up to $3,675. This is just a rip off.
That's more than doubling application for
Oh, okay. So you know, you have this one sneaky one where you
can if you're an immigrant investor, this is very
controversial. Yes. Yeah. So that that application, just a
piece of paper cost $6,230 I guess they ate so successful
that jacking it up to $17,795. Why? Now, this is the problem,
when you have a family of five or whatever you have. Who can
afford this kind of money. This is why people don't get legal
aid is too expensive. As read just cheat. Of course, it's in
the show notes if anyone wants to go and have a look at that.
Our real problem here in the United States. A couple clips
from the UK, which I thought might be interesting from
filmmaker Martin Durkin. He's more like a UK guy. And he this
is this will be actually be kind of a good call back. So he
blames the Brexit, not on the Russians. Not necessarily on
Trump and on something else.
And Martin, I guess the other kind of big context is this war
on sugar, which is incredible, you know, went from tobacco to
alcohol assault for a while and then all those assault groups
seem to turn into anti sugar groups. What do you make of this
kind of new frontier in this sort of nanny status? And what
do you think it says just really about the kind of killed
jointness of it, you can't even enjoy a cake without that being
seen as some sort of aberrant behavior.
No, it's enormous ly miserable list, and it creates like a blow
some cancer. And the difficulty is, as we were saying, Before,
you know, if someone comes down to your door and say, right,
we're gonna bucket you know, we're going to stand up. You
know, the thing is, you're not going to give up your Saturday
we go on, we have a plaque out about curtains ran booze, or,
you know, reformulation of cream crackers or something like that,
you know, every every assault is sufficiently small, that you
know, you aren't just not going to get off your ass to do
something about it. And what happens is, there's an
accumulation of grievances and it's not just food. I mean, you
know, they're just so the other day that teachers were
complaining the Beauty and the Beast was sexist or fuck majors
or bestest or whatever the damn thing is. There's something
wrong with that. And likewise, it's all these little things,
all these intrusions all these absurd little kind of niggles.
Milgauss niggle until you vote Trump or you vote. All these all
these bankers, excuse my French sort of standing on going pub,
why did they vote Trump? Was it because of his protectionist
argument was it because of this, but they didn't know what his
arguments they didn't know of the product. They just knew
Trump wasn't all that crap. It wasn't less sugar. It wasn't
Beauty and the Beast is feminist.
And he goes on to say that it really is the universities who
are creating all these idiotic children. Well, I'm
glad that bank fizzy drinks and universities I hope they ban
lager, and food, plenty of other things in order to discourage
people from going collusion that universities are, in fact a
terrible evil social force, we should do everything in our
power to discourage them. As far as I can see, most students are
fascists. And people complain when I say that they all do.
They don't want to push Jews into you know, chambers, I mean,
Italian fascists, you know, they're not, they're not quite
as the Germans are. Some of them are the Germans, but they're
made mainly Italian fascists. And they are they're not to
learn useful things in order to go and lead productive lives.
They're there in order to join the new class and tell us all
what to do. And a few of them number go on to be lectures and
things like that. And they're the ones who are behind all
this, banning fizzy drinks. But as I say, the more universities
implode, the better for all of us, I think. And then
finally, he has a nice call back to the opening of our show.
I think there's a there's a class gap as well. I mean, I'm
worried about the generation thing, because when my kids were
growing up, and you know, and they and the teachers brought
appalled when you know, bit of global warming homework came in.
And I said, Well, political bollocks that was. And so, you
know, I made sure they went in with the right homework saying
this was all nonsense, because got them into trouble as
teachers were annoyed. All of that nonsense, which I didn't
think too much of, you know, has produced the, you know,
generation of students that we've got today, but also think
there's a class thing. I think universities only semi flippin
what I said before, I think universities are churning out a
class of people who are the class of the Hillary Clinton's
and the Tony Blair's, and the people who will, you know, who
imagine themselves as part of the state who ally with the
state who imagine themselves as middle class tax consumers,
union and arts establishment or some such thing or a university.
And they are and that's the real class divide. Now, I think the
class divide is between upper class tax consumers because I
think the state is really there for the upper middle class and
the intelligentsia and not the non ordinary people, and the
rest of us and that divide is, is opening a sort of wider as
they get more and more into their global warming, feminist
social justice warrior fizzy drink
should have some sort of purge of the intellectuals like Pol
Pot. I
really think anyone who was glosses over the intelligencia
are the stupidest people on earth, and the most offensive
and they haven't been since Plato. Actually, we're gonna get
really historical, faster. Yes.
That those clips bring me right into a perfect follow up, which
is my little Italian debate. All right, rock and roll. Because
this is about we don't talk about Italy that much. And we
need to kind of bring people up to speed with what's going on
there, which is part of what's going on everywhere that we're
watching the populist thing and the Trump and the Brexit and the
rest. And let's play. This is the Italy rundown one.
Earlier this month, Italian voters rejected a referendum to
alter that nation's constitution in what was a stern rebuke of
Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, who resigned in the aftermath. The
vote was seen as the latest instance of a rising tide of
populism both in Europe and here against elites in the perceived
establishment. From Rome special correspondent Christopher lives
a explains it started
as just another protest movement. Now it could control
the Italian government, and many in Europe are terrified. It's
called the Five Star Movement of foul mouthed comedian named
Bebek Grilo, founded only seven years ago. Today, the Five Star
Movement is Italy's fastest growing party picking up votes
from both left and right with a populist message securing the
political establishment amid the punishing economic fallout of
the euro crisis. The government has long dismissed them as anti
Euro nationalists done so at their now clear and great peril.
This month center left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, a staunch
defender of the European Union, was forced to resign when he
failed in a referendum on constitutional reforms that
would have weakened the powers of the Senate in order to
streamline the legislative process. Yes.
Yeah, what they tried to do which is what I think would
happen here, especially Jimmy Hillary got in, because Hillary
is against all borders, and she went in the but we do have
sovereignty and we have to, like weaken it. And the way to do
weaken it is to do a constitutional convention and
rewrite the Constitution. Yeah. And weaken it. So we have no
sovereignty because the idea of the globalist is that we
shouldn't be just one happy family,
countries, everybody be brown and happy. So
this report goes on and on. And I've cooked it up a little bit.
And it's worth listening to because it's, we don't talk
about Italy at all. And I think this will bring everyone up to
speed. So let's go on with part two. The Five Star
Movement campaigned hardest against frenzy. New elections
are expected early next year. And it's the Five Star Movement
with the wind in its sails Franco Pavone. Shambo is a
professor of political science and the president of John Cabot
University in Rome. The Five
Star Movement basically is a rejection is party that feels
that the entire political spectrum has been disqualified
by decades of bad management, corruption and economic decline
where the people are much poorer than the grandparents. And this
is where we see a parallel with Brexit and with the United
States. There is a sense of the dispossess of this
disenfranchise those who don't feel they don't really have a
voice anymore.
That voice is channeled in Parliament by lawmakers like
Manuel de Stefano, a leading figure in the movement. What
will a FIVE STAR moVement government look like?
How we will go, we are we will have the numbers. We are sure
when we present the next political election, people will
realize that is FIVE STAR moVement against the rest of the
establishment
SAYS THE FIVE STAR moVement against everyone else based I
think, yes, just 35 years old, de Stefano epitomizes the
youthful rebellion at the heart of the movement, telling his
parliamentary rivals, they've never worked a real job in their
lives. Oh me, you'll know.
Italians like it'll bet at the Margie, who feel increasingly
left behind are the core of the five star movements support.
Last year, the landlord shut off the single mothers heat and hot
water when she lost her job as a secretary and could no longer
afford rent. She's a pots of water on the stove, and she
watches her kids here in St. Louis. You see what I'm going
through. Sometimes I just break down. With Christmas just around
the corner. She faces eviction this very morning, neighbors and
friends have rallied to her side. Among them that will
better Lombardi, another member of Parliament from the Five Star
Movement.
We are here to try to stop this image.
And stop it she did at least for now. The court officials laughed
when they saw the crowd. Hey, who did
this report? Where was it from?
This was done by an independent reporter that is part of PBS. So
it was on news hour. Okay, it took up a good part of the show,
as you can tell by the number. But I thought it was so I
thought it was very dense. And it gets you right up to speed.
And now I don't think we need to talk about Italy for another
year. Easily. But if you want to keep playing these
three, okay. stunts like these have made the Five Star Movement
vulnerable to charges of populism, a charge they relish.
So a lot of people say to us, this, this this thing that you
do make makes you a populist. And we say okay, if you consider
to be populist, just taking care of people, we are proud to be
populist. But the truth is that everybody in this building in
the parliament should be a little bit populist meaning that
should consider the people needs otherwise you're doing your own
interests.
populism is thriving across Europe as economies in the
Common Market struggle and immigration booms.
Alright, do you have a kind of like a summary coming?
You can play the last clip if you want, which
the only reason I ask is 10 minutes to go so these clips are
pretty short. I'm getting the
I gotta kick out a deck that because the the word whether the
word populism becomes such a bad word.
Yeah. Well, ever since the rise of LePen in France, I think was
when it started. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Well, I'll leave the rest
of the short so let's go to four I'm
interested in well less extreme than other European populists.
Five Star Movement leaders insist migrants denied asylum
should be immediately deported. And they've been accused of
circulating fake news about migrants to incite their
followers. I tell you, the Sunni CTO is a senior editor at UNSA,
Italy's leading news agency, he says Fake news is exploding
across Europe.
He's such a danger that, you know, figures like Pope Francis
warned the press, not to spread. You know what he actually made a
very strong parallel between a thesis and this kind of news.
The CTO
points to one fake news story, accusing the government of
stuffing ballot boxes now,
this is a completely bogus story and has no reality about it. But
the reaction on the social network was very impressive.
Over 230,000 people reacted to this story on the social
network. Yeah, of course. Yeah,
it's a believable story.
Fake. It's all fake news, man. It's fake news.
Yeah, let's wrap this thing up. All right. It's one five is
good.
Rula Gibreel is an international affairs analyst.
Oh, Russia is the real winner of all of this. I mean, they kill
the news itself by creating by flooding the market with fake
news, Russians globally. We had a presidential candidate
president elect who told the Russians Yes, please hack the
National Democratic National Committee, and we're going to
release the email inviting them actual to the party. We had
Marine LePen, Madame LePen in France, who asked the Russians
to give her $7 million. So she could run a campaign. And then
your five stars here are selecting this kind of news.
It's a national security threat, what we're saying,
Wow, man, that's a bunch of hog hooey.
This is this was I thought was they they did a really good
report by bringing her in again. Trump, of course we had that
clip.
It was no but she took it one step further, saying Trump asked
him to hack the DNC,
which was not what he did at all. Oh, that's great.
Yeah, fake news. Okay.
We'll wrap it up. The
Five Star Movement denies it has a pro Russian agenda, but some
of their policy proposals would benefit Russia, such as pushing
for Italy to leave NATO and for the EU to end sanctions on
Russia for annexing Crimea in 2014.
We want to cut this sanction.
Do you want to cut European Union sanctions against Russia,
the only one that are losing money or the European people,
they did something that was just a demonstration of power, you
were up against Russia, and Russia is winning?
Indeed, it's the five star movements Euro skepticism that's
shaken investors and much of Europe. If elected, they've
promised to hold a referendum on abandoning the euro currency as
the euro zone's third largest economy. Italy's exit could be
disastrous
for everybody, including Italy. Yeah, my goodness. Oh, my
goodness. Well, that's what's going on. I just want to stay in
the euro land for a minute. I'm going to wrap up the show here.
I did want to bring this clip out. It was in European
Parliament for once it wasn't Nigel Farage, making noise. It
was Dutch politician Marcel De Graaff, who went off on Scholtz
and the other bureaucrat Kratz about the migrants. And well,
it's very interesting to listen. He's going to say what he has to
say. And he's very clear and angry. And then the responses
are perhaps even crazier, for Kobe question. Last year, and by
the way, I love that it's, you're not really hearing the
real people you're hearing translators arguing against each
other because they're translating what the politicians
are arguing about, it creates a very strange radio play for
last year, an illegal Afghan was detained for rape and murder, a
19 year old girl who was in the prime of her life. She was
working actively for the reception of migrants and she
was the daughter of an EU official. It could have been
your daughter, she could have been my daughter, politicians
and the media talks about this as an incident. But in Germany,
there have been many rapes, thefts, perpetration of
violence, and all of them, many of them by illegal immigrants.
This commission is refusing to recognize it. There's a
structural problem here, there are 10s of 1000s, hundreds of
1000s of incidents such as this, but you were never actually
prepared to concede that this is a structural problem. These
illegal immigrants are convinced that they have a right to come
to our countries and if they so wish to rape our women and our
children, yes, our children because women and children, even
at the age of five or 10 have been murdered, they have been
raped. And you are refusing to recognize that you are in part
responsible for allowing this to happen, because you won't
recognize that we need a structural solution to migrate
Shouldn't in our countries and our cities, nothing has been
done to stop these illegal immigrants. You're working with
a dictator in Turkey. You're working effectively with people
who represent al Qaeda and Al Nusra, the murderers and humps
in Mosul. And way beyond that, you are largely responsible. And
this is the message which will come out of the Council. This
week. It's high time we had proper borders. We sent illegal
migrants back, we stopped at Islamization of Europe, and we
stopped negotiations with Turkish which should never have
been started. Thank you. Okay, so
he says, Okay. Well, women and children getting raped and
murdered, and we need to stop this. This is out of control. We
need borders. You're working with a with a dictator in
Turkey, and you're insane. What are you doing? Obviously, this
did not go over well.
Mr. Mr. Huff, I just have a request for you to say that
migrants or refugees are systematically carrying out
rapes. Well, I think after what we heard yesterday from two
migrants who were systematically raped that I think it's a shame
and a Scandal. Scandal you bring shame upon the European
Parliament for what you said.
Oh my god, Shame shame on the European Parliament. This is
documents you have a question. Oh, check her out. We needed to
hear if
your statements are absolutely intolerable. They have no place
in this house. Europe stands up for the rights of women for the
rights of every citizen your statements are nothing short of
racism pure racism, you're treating all the migrants as if
they're one and the same. You're talking about people murdering
and raping women and children that says absolutely sickening
speech and present I'd ask for this to be deleted from the
minutes this is absolutely not worthy of the European style of
this type of speech. Shut up Shut up stricken
from the record John. Take it out of the record we can't have
that speech on record.
Wow, is this like a trial that they strike it from the record?
I've never heard this that they can do that. Record Yeah.
And then that's just the way that this is like the Federation
of Planets meeting or wherever that the council Yeah, it's just
a bunch of this is crazy. Crazy.
And then finally, I got a lot of response about the about the
eggs on everything here in the United States of Gitmo nation.
Okay, what an eggs on everything and I got well I got two things
in well I got a possible answer eggs apparently are at an all
time crazy low. nine cents it doesn't.
Oh yeah, but those are crappy eggs. Okay, the pale yellow yolk
with no flavor but in
general I think eggs are cheap I don't know why I'm see I am
seeing US Bureau of Labor Statistics saying eggs are down
$1.46 on average per dozen. So maybe it's just cheap.
That doesn't sound like the right maybe I mean I don't know
if we didn't think that there were achieved it'd be more
people making deviled eggs or something.
Well, the fix makes deviled eggs. But then I got this note
from Sir Hank Scorpio of the electrical grid. On the last
show you were wrapping up you discuss the eggs on food
phenomenon when I heard this I laughed hysterically My daughter
has a toy oven that talks and make sound effects. There are
multiple sequences when it plays this you want Yeah, put an egg
to the
pizza. Wow. That is the guy I'm giving you a clip of the day
forgetting that guy.
Clinically
and there's one little show one little ISO ISO amazing. You
don't have anything.
We got to get a better copy of that except for the one that
came out of the oven. But there's got to be some original.
Yeah, we need to we need the full song. Yeah, we need a good
recording. I think redo the song he has held held his iPhone up
to it but it really tastes amazing on top of anything stays
the way amazing.
An eight year olds toy that cost this trend and booty dumb.
I don't know what's going on, but it's frightening me.
Oh my goodness. What are we going to do?
David the best for last? Yes.
Always. Always, always always. Alright everybody, thank you so
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anything. We're doing anything special?
No.
There's just a bunch of goodness somebody mediocre bowl games
that are going on. They're kind of entertaining. But bowl bowl
games and it's nothing but there's some because of the
snowstorm. There's been some really funny games to look at on
the TV because it's like they're playing football and to fetus.
No, it's fantastic.
Oh, nice. That is good to watch. Well, for sure, everybody. We
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