Oh yeah, Mama, my mama lives in the same house. We live in. Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak.
Sunday, November 19 2017. This is your award winning get my
nation media assassination episode Niner a
three. This is no agenda, turning your
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and from Northern Silicon Valley, where there's nothing
really going on. I think I'm going to take a vacation. I'm
John C. Dvorak. Hill. No such thing as a vacation in our
business. And I mentioned I missed the Zephyr. I tweeted you
a nice picture of a classic movie. Did you see that? The
movie is it was a nice cover of the movie of the film poster.
The man who watched the trains go by
Yeah, no, I saw that. Okay, then why did you say no? Because I
don't know what you're talking about. Why would you mention it
was a while ago was like it just tweeted this morning.
Okay, we're in a fine mood, aren't we? Yeah. What are you
being accused of? Groping.
Curiously, you want to start start there?
Only under one condition. Okay, we play the jingle.
And now it's time for your sexual harassment update.
I got lots of women who liked it a lot John they liked the
jingle.
I liked the jingle it's good. I think men like to jingle to
sexism finally have a female voice on the show so nice.
We have the view that karma voices played probably more than
anything.
True true. But you know what I mean in a jingle form.
Yes, we need more women jugglers.
Hello, are you a jungler sign up?
So there's a little story that we'll get is not going to get a
lot of because you know they're really going out of their way to
protect Franken you know?
Yes, and it's so obvious that this was going to happen we were
pretty much ready for it. I have quite a slew of examples. And
you can imagine it is almost like we need to take a trip to
the alternative universe I don't want to do it because it makes
me nauseous but that they truly is two sides of the same coin
what's going on now it's really it's really really fascinating
to watch.
Well the funny thing about Franken is is that like all
these other guys I would say I would put him in the category of
Bill Cosby where at first there's nothing and then there's
one and then there's a couple and then to death but they've
been doing their best to repress them but we do have a local
story because it involved a local person one of our one of
the talk show people it's a I don't have the clip list in
front of me but it's a clipped it's just have frankenz name on
it and Melanie Morgan
okay. No, yeah, thank you. Oh no, it's another Franken victim
is that it may be
another Frank and victim and this a local girl
while she sleeps and a second woman accused Frankin of
harassment today. Former Bay Area radio host Melanie Morgan
spoke out today saying Franken wouldn't stop calling her after
they debated on the Bill Maher show.
It was three days worth of phone calls that took place. And
finally, the last time that he called I said if you call me one
more time I am calling the police and I am going to make a
harassment complaint against you.
Morgan says the incident happened in the year 2000. She
says he got her phone number from a producer on the show.
Morgan says the incident quote frightened her half to death.
You know I saw her on Laura Ingraham show. I'm not a big fan
of Laura Ingram necessarily, but she was on Oh, if there's a new
accuser, so and I watched, I mean, you know, she was addicted
to him on the show. He was addicted to her. And then he
Well, he wanted to be right. That's what it was about. But it
wasn't necessary. Unless that's a tactic. That seems a little
odd. I'm well,
and that during that period, she was pretty good looking for.
Yeah, yeah. 15 years or 1620 years ago. Yeah.
It wasn't sexual harassment.
Will he be calling her to say, you know, it's a TV show? Does
he take he's a comic and as a TV show, he's not going to be
calling her over and over well, you know, thanks for Wrexham
error.
I think that he might be one of those people who just so pissed
when he doesn't get his way that he just goes out of his way to
have someone say okay, I don't think it look it doesn't matter.
He's creepy but the thing that really put me in the in the
alternate universe is you know, the focus on the picture, much
less on the forceful kiss, which is what I find really offensive.
I can see the funny in what he did you know, it's
inappropriate, but here's how it's explained in in dimension a
she says that he wrote a part into their skit that required
him to kiss her and that he tried to rehearse the kiss
backstage that made her uncomfortable.
And then she noticed no mention of the tongue down her throat
jab, rehearsed the kiss backstage
that made her uncomfortable. And then she also published a
picture that was given to her of her asleep with Senator Franken
mock groping her so it is mock
groping Oh, okay. I see. It's mock groping and this was
written.
This sounds like the mentioned B to me. I'm sorry,
I meant B, AB, whatever we straddle. here's the here's
another example.
In a nutshell, she said she was on this USO tour that Al Franken
wrote, he was a comedian then not a senator wrote into the
script that they should kiss tried to get her to rehearse it.
It was uncomfortable. She avoided him after that. And then
he fought it took a picture, which his office now says was a
joke that showed him potentially not actually groping, but mock
groping her while she was asleep.
Okay, oh, that's fine. Mock groping is okay.
Hey, I just go up to some random woman and grab her breasts and
say, hey, just mocking Jasmine mock Bromont? Girl, okay.
microbuses. Really?
I mean, that is what's disturbing, because you know
that if it was because it's all politicize if it was a
Republican it would have been, he would have been a douchebag.
And he's got to get out. So every and I think they know that
themselves, too. It's gotta be just gotta be. I don't think
they know that. I mean, it was really weird stuff happened now.
Bill Clinton's being brought up again.
And I have the Clinton clips. Okay. All right.
I got one. But you seem to have a
by the way, I'm going to before we explain these, these Bill
claim clips, this is an attack on Hillary because they're still
trying to get her out of the picture. She won't go away.
She's like a bad penny. Yes, she refuses to get guests in your
house and won't leave. And so they've decided now what are we
going to do? I'm the you know, it's not as though I think I
think they actually do have a meeting that almost cuts comes
down to what are we going to do now? I think if we go after
Bill, Bill will have some influence on her because
apparently she's not listening to us.
Which one do you want to start with?
Well, what a bunch of players right off?
Oh, well. Okay. I have I have. All right, hold on a second.
We'll start then with CNN panel of women.
Good night got to CBS and Fox. So we can see that this is a
concerted effort by the entire media.
Yeah. So what I need to do is I need to start though with former
former note former because you'll hear that she's not so
former because she's everywhere. Director of progressive media
for the Clinton campaign. And just wanting you to hear her
first on Frank, and then we'll come back to her. So in the
panel with other CNN women in this new ground swamps. This
one, should we
be talking about Bill Clinton right now? No, I don't mean this
new.
We should be talking about Bill Clinton. I think that there were
plenty of feminists at the time, those allegations were
happening, that we're having this conversation we're having
right now. But at the time, we weren't really listening to
feminists, we thought they were sort of outliers and the
conversation about the cultural shift.
I did like this, outliers, outliers. But the time Don't you
remember?
Oh, my God.
Feminists, we thought they were sort of outliers and the
conversation about the cultural shift in terms of the power
dynamic and the abuses of power. Those were conversations that
weren't a part of the main stream, I do think it's
important to promote themselves. In the past. I'm not giving him
a pass. I'm saying the reason why we're having this
conversation about Bill Clinton and presidents is because the
current president has been accused by over a dozen women of
inappropriate sexual behavior. And he is in office right now.
And so I think that he's the catalyst for this entire
conversation. And I think Congress, you know, we need to
understand this in sort of a more comprehensive way. It's a
spectrum of behavior on the one end of the spectrum, and the
more severe end is the Harvey Weinstein's of the world, Bill
Cosby's of the world. Why more? Right. You have the deputy
40 years ago, and we're gonna go into this sort of thing. Well,
that was then this is now why is Roy Moore even brought into the
conversation that was 40 years ago. Right. Right, right for
right. Okay. And then the other end of the spectrum, you have
street harassment and you have Al Franken and you have more
benign behaviors that are traumatizing to women, but not
necessarily criminal. And so I think that we have to under
stand that all women have these experiences all women have been
victims of harassment but at different ends of the spectrum.
Okay, so it's a spectrum night that's that's what you have to
understand. It's a spectrum like that. Let me ask you a question.
If you forcibly say you're going to kiss someone rehearse sketch
or not, and then you do it and then you stick your tongue in
the throat. Is that that almost assault and battery? I think so.
Yeah. How about if you grab someone by the pussy?
You know, if he was a better looking guy, he never said that
he grabbed anyone by the papacy says you can grab them by the
bush.
Yes, correct. But that has changed. That's not how it was
remembered anymore. Now we're gonna go to the CNN panel. I
think Brooke Baldwin was leading it again. The former progressive
media director. I don't think she's former.
She's the way let me she's the anti boobs woman.
Brooke is Yeah, Brooks the anti boob woman. She hates boobs. In
this
new groundswell of everything we're experiencing. There is a
new lens on Bill Clinton. fairpoint. Go ahead. Yes,
absolutely. Because this goes beyond just Monica. This goes to
the $850,000 that Clinton paid to apologize.
I forget who this is. But this is the woman who's making a big
mistake on CNN right now
for sexual harassment. She only asked for 700,000 but she got
$850,000 from Bill Clinton that was payola. He didn't admit
guilt. But why would you
second, payola I refer specifically to the music
industry? Yeah, pay off is the word she's looking for.
She's an idiot like most people on television,
payola. He didn't admit guilt, but why would you pay $150,000
Unless you were doing something wrong, and this was not, it was
case after case after case and Hillary Clinton
was mumbling away there.
This kid this this use of the word payola, it's just
unbelievable. Well, you
know, that Brooke immediately after she's done with a little
soliloquy said that's not payola. Oh, wait, no, she did.
And I'm sorry.
after case after case, and Hillary Clinton, she's just
victim shame. You want to talk about listening to women, she
called Monica Lewinsky who was an intern
I would probably
five and now the former director comes
nontender way that you should Yes, as a woman, yeah, this is
what she should but the blame on bringing a conversation about
Bill Cohen's behavior is not appropriate. On the men's
choices, and the men's behavior, and all men need to reflect upon
their behavior, not just same as one. Yeah, and not just
politics. But this problem is just put all on Hillary Clinton,
so I'm
not putting it on the last trump. Hillary Clinton went
after Lewinsky called her babe oh, wait a second
terrible television I liked was enough for me is terrible. You
can't have out you can't understand a word anyone saying
they're all talking over each other.
They're gonna get into it, though.
Lewinsky scandal was an affair with somebody that was of age,
Monica Lewinsky. Lewinsky has never been an accuser. She has
never since the time not back then not since then. ever said
that he did this to me. It was unwanted. I didn't want to get
touch. I mean, she's not an accuser. So now we're gonna step
in and on her behalf, accused him of marital affair. That is
not illegal and might be immoral. And
oh, hold on. It's not true. In Texas, it's illegal for sure.
It's illegal to what?
copulation outside of the marriage. It's a divorce double
offense
there in Washington DC, though everything
goes there. No affair.
That is not illegal might be immoral. It might be unethical.
But it's not illegal to have an affair. Yes, it's wrong for the
President to remember the illegality with Clinton was
because of the perjury over which he was impeached, not
because he
was appointed a year and a half before he even met.
In January. You're quietly
Yeah, they don't want to talk about the power structure that
she was an intern. And then we have I mean, they were out in
full force, because you're right. I completely concur that
this was the attack on Hillary through Bill and Hillary through
everybody out there. Former Hillary Clinton aide Jennifer
Palmer on MSNBC.
I want to bring you in Jen on this specific question of for
Donald Trump's for Sean Hannity for a few other select spots on
Fox being a partisan issue where they go wall to wall if it's
Harvey Weinstein, or if it's Al Franken and where they, you
know, Sean Hannity saw fit to leave it up to Alabama to decide
whether
it is amazing the the blindness or color, tone deafness of these
people who are accusing, rightly, Fox News of
highlighting democratic predators, whereas CNN is doing
the exact opposite there's no one see this Roy
Moore's assault on nine women who were ages 14 to 28. Every
last one of them in incredibly vulnerable positions he was in
his early 30s. That doesn't justify the same kind of
scrutiny and for Donald Trump at least the same kind of Twitter
attention and as Eli said, cutesy Bootsy. Nicknames as a
Democrat.
Yeah. It's it's the, it's like a weaponization political
weaponization of sexual harassment. And, and it's just
the height of cynicism, and it's not, you know, honestly, what I
would expect from them. And
Trump being a douchebag
candidate, but it's not just them. It's Mitch McConnell, who
was very quick to to call for ethics investigation of Senator
Franken which is an appropriate thing to do, but he was not
sincere and
to do what are you bitching about
but he was not sincere in doing that he was doing that to try to
put Democrats the ASO
Mitch McConnell's interesting because he also was the first
big national Republican figure to say these words I believe the
women about Roy Moore's accuse I believe that women were more
worried you know
what this now sounds like it kind of hit me it sounds like
just think it's a different topic but it sounds like every
technology every tech podcast I believe I think I know a new me
beginning put a time note down
but I'm serious.
Yeah, it's people just talking to their ass.
Yeah, and no place to do that. No, no better place to do that.
Then the Bill Maher show, which is my final my final clip.
Anyway, I want to congratulate you for tricking me into playing
this one clip for the last 10 minutes. And it's actually a
series of clips leading to the one clip very coy continue.
Didn't mean to trick you. I'm sorry. Continue on the show.
Some they've some author she wrote a book about I guess how
horrible men are Bernstein's on the show. And Chelsea Handler
who I used to like a lot I used to watch her show.
Or like, I never liked her because she was I know people
that network and they didn't know too much. I guess I
shouldn't have good nevermind. But I never liked her. And I
don't think she's funny.
Yeah. Well, she became very unfunny more than a year ago,
kind of when she when she moved from EA to her Netflix show. And
you know, she's off the air. Otherwise, I'm sure with her
sexual proclivity. She would have been outed by someone
somewhere. She's, she's a wild one. But listen to this
exchange. Again, it's about Bill Clinton, among others. With Bill
Maher, and guests.
What about Bill Clinton? shall see you you tweeted, imagine
being molested by an older man, then that man denies ever doing
it and then goes it goes on and gets elected to United States
Senate and Juanita Broderick tweeted back. Yeah, Chelsea
Handler I can't imagine and goes into how she says she was raped
by Betsy, unlike the right you then said, Oh, you have a point.
I said, I'm so sorry.
I apologize. Every first of all, every victim deserves to be
heard. You know, anyone who's alleging any sort of assault or
abuse needs to be listened to? You can't do that. We look at
Bill Clinton. Well, do we have to go back to look at Bill
Clinton? I mean, I think that's I mean, I mean, isn't the jury's
out on that? We got what Bill Clinton was okay. He had a lot
of sex a lot of people and, and yeah,
that's we know, we're now we're talking about for sex, which is?
Right, right. I mean, right. You're right. Do we have to go
back and look at that? Yeah, I'm not gonna believe a woman. I'm a
woman. And it is my job. Right now we're in the area where we
have to believe every woman because we've done such a poor
job at believing each other. Okay.
One of the reasons. One of the reasons that I think it is
crucial that we go back as part of this conversation, and look
at Bill Clinton is because the timing of what happened with
Bill Clinton was really crucial to do this development of this
conversation about sexual harassment. It was right after
the Anita Hill hearings, in which that term sexual
harassment, and what it meant to women as a class, the way that
this behavior, disadvantaged them economically and
professionally, which reminds me,
because I only witnessed that, you know, just as I was very
young at the time, well, not very, I'd be much younger. This
is the long Dong silver. Clarence Thomas. He was made up
care and care on the coat can he didn't actually touch her or
anything, but he was very rude. It was It wasn't a John Kerry
Kerry, who ran that entire Senate investigation. I don't
remember. But, you know, Tom was clearly conservative. And then
lo and behold, right after that, we like Ah, okay, we're gonna
get those Democrats. Let's go. Let's out Clint. And as a
douchebag, this has been going on forever almost
came into the lexicon. And feminists made this point even
though Clarence Thomas was appointed to the Supreme Court
despite being accused of sexual harassment by Anita Hill, and
then immediately after Bill Clinton is elected president,
and there is because he is better for feminist policy, then
the 12 years of and this is the politics you're talking about.
And because there is a 12 years
What What are you saying?
I have no idea which stuff but the 12 years,
because it was bush for four and then who was before Bush, senior
Reagan.
Now okay, but people loved him. Didn't they even didn't
Democrats even love him? Who Reagan?
Yeah, they reluctantly said nothing. They reluctantly didn't
go after Him because they were apparently overmatched. They
didn't nobody, nobody, no Democrat loved Reagan, no matter
what they
saw now, apparently, was, he's dead.
And this is the politics you're talking about. And because there
is a right wing attack on him, and those things are
simultaneously true, there is a left feminist defense of Bill
Clinton's power abuse with