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Hey may voices two fans, Adam
curry, John C. Dvorak. It's

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Thursday, November 23 2017. This
is your award winning game

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nation media assassination
episode nine or eight.

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This is no agenda,

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appropriating the native culture
of core and broadcasting live

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from downtown Austin capital and
Star State and the co do in the

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morning everybody. I'm Adam
curry in from

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Northern Silicon Valley where
it's a beautiful Thanksgiving

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day the sun is shining. The
turkeys are roaming around the

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neighborhood is unbelievable.
I'm John C. Dvorak. Raglan

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Buzzkill.

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Those Berkley turkeys,

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there's turkeys all over the
place. Happy Thanksgiving,

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everybody.

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We should be shooting them. They
won't let us can't shoot the

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turkeys. Happy Thanksgiving,
John. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

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And Happy Thanksgiving to
everybody out there. So this and

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yes, we should reveal that this
is a pre recorded show. She

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actually realized when I said
broadcasting live like or or

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live to tape. I'm live

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I'm a living. I'm a live guy.

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So because we've taken
Thanksgiving and the day after

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off, because nobody, nobody
listens to the show on

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Thanksgiving. Although if they
do they're gonna get a good show

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anyway. Yes. And they're just
not going to get a live show.

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Man what

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they will get as is almost
customary on the no agenda show

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is an explanation of the true
story of Thanksgiving.

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I wasn't planning on it.

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Oh, you always do the story.
It's like the night before

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Christmas book. How can we have
a show on Thanksgiving without

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you telling us the true nature
of thanksgiving?

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Well, I'll do the short version.
Okay, Ray Yeah, it's bullshit.

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Oh man so all the corn and and
the stuffing and the turkey and

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they never really happened that
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No, there was a couple of
holidays. This is very carefully

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outlined on my blog. You can
look up Thanksgiving, truce

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badgers thanksgiving on the
blog. And there's all the

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storage of those two posts that
discuss this. And Thanksgiving

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was a you know, there was a
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different things that took place
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Thanksgiving really became kind
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Civil War. And it was
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Thank you, you know, kind of
celebrating the dead soldiers

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more than anything. And if we
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alive, more or less, Lincoln
initiated it then it became a

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national holiday over time. But
it all really stemmed from this

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these Thanksgivings that were
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America throughout American
history. And until one Lincoln

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did the same. So what seems to
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they worked it out. And it'd be
then they re engineered it over

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time to make it seem as if it
was something where the Indians

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and the and the Puritans,
whoever they were the people

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that were living around the
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we're having these yearly
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just like, you know,

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yeah, kind of like on the Upper
East Side, Manhattan or coffee

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this morning. So wait a minute,
if our Thanksgivings bullcrap is

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the Canadian Thanksgiving also
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Course it is. All just a
different date. Theirs is

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the first. So they made bull
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even worse.

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We didn't even celebrate the
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show. Which I think we missed
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Is it before ours? How can that?
How can that be? I

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don't get it. When the first
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everything.

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They had to pull the rug out
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earlier. Okay. All right.

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So this show Yes, this is this
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we're naming is show x because
it's going to replace all the

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200 episodes. 200.1 or 2.5?
Yeah, 2.6 2.7 20.8. This would

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have been 2.9, I

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believe. Yeah. But our, our
onion was kind of rotten. We did

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have a producer say You know,
I've only just started the show

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like around 500. And this onion
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show. 200 is not working for me.
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It's kind of lame. So we're just
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have some clips from the earlier
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So Jay help, because there's
about two or three things that

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are better explained.

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And what is the what is the
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who are new who have not
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Yes, the point is that and the
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an introductory show. So why
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we doing with the show? How did
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to here? Right? And I think this
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questions plus answering the
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All right. So do we want to just
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show started. A lot of people
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know I do have a couple of
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ease As into this well, let

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me first let me set the stage a
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2007 I was living in Guilford,
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is south of London. And I was
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London and San Francisco for it
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still pod show at the time.

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I believe it was initially Yes.

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it became me via shortly after I
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So I would be in San Francisco
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was really it was actually
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forth two weeks away from home
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two, three weeks and then back
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a lot of cool gifts from Sir
Richard Branson. I got the

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bathrobe. I got everything. And
you know, and after I stopped

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traveling that much, it was
about two months and then you

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are now at plastic level. You
get nothing. You slave. Well, I

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was like the top I was in the
top level of Virgin Atlantic of

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the loyalty program.

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No, of course I was flying. It'd
be getting it. They'd be giving

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you foot massage every time he
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pretty much but then once I
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girl ice.

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that stop real quick. Yeah.

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What good are you in? Are you to
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Okay, exactly. So how did we
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a on a podcast where we are. I
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remember he actually

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had talked about this. Well
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the show The Early Show. So we
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you meet? And this is an
enhanced version from 2010.

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Curry have a unique
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meet? So did you hit it off
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I'll tell you something I found
in my crap that arrived from

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from the UK, I found a videotape
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actually first met for the very
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that was in 1993 or four maybe

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think was three? Yeah. And I and
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to DVR things to transcode all
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CNET did not have a website. In
fact, I registered cnet.com and

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said to Halsey minor Hey, dude,
you know, I'll do your email, if

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you want, you know, you might
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think that would be more
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doing here. But all right, and
you were doing kind of a

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McLaughlin Group Type roundtable
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the sound quality is outrageous.

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Oh, they got better ones than
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goodness, no, I have to say
that. Of course. I know how

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stuff should sound. But the idea
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was not only that, we have our
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basically your podcast feed and
your mp3 file. But also you

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should be able to do it on your
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it on reasonably, you know,
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equipment that should be
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to prove it. And this was not a
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sounds like I have an echo even

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I have a better example this is
when the period could you kept

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killing me over the probably
over the years. You were

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complaining to me that you were
baked? Oh, yeah. Well, England

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by what? And I always and I
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recently was well you didn't
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you may or may not have been
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That's my recollection. And
you'd never did sound it but

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your attitude has changed. I
didn't realize it Oh, for

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example, and you just bitched
about the sound which leads me

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to a different clip. This is a
clip when Obama got elected that

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night. This is a clip of the
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And this This is the clip 11
Five 2007 Obama just got elected

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we started started doing the
show this is something you would

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not do today you would not allow

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and you feel this is appropriate
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It's read only because it's
funny. It is

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November 5 all across Gitmo
nation it is quite a special

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episode of no agenda. Mainly
because it's early morning here

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for me today and late night for
John exactly the opposite of how

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the show is usually done. Which
means it's time for no agenda

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coming to you from a very
exhilarated and excited morning

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here in the United Kingdom. Get
mo nation east. I'm Adam curry.

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I'm John C. Dvorak and I, for
one, welcome our new Obama

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overlord Hold

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on a sec. What is going on
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What happened Bobby didn't
remember but this this was one

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of those. We used to have these
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Skype Skype? Yeah, I remember it
speeding up a lot. I don't

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remember a lot of a lot of
slowing down. Oh, that's pretty

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is too horrible and but here it
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the day. And your attitude about
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is one of the things we
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today, which is that of the show
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listen to a lot of old shows put
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that this show wasn't any good
until show 100 For one, welcome

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our new Obama overlord.

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Do you have a voice processor on
your on your setup? John, what's

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going on? Why were you getting
breaking up with us when you

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said, it sounds like it's on you
have like a Darth Vader? Darth

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Vader voice?

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Oh, yes. Well, it's midnight,
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know, this is not your normal
voice. This is messed up. I kind

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of like it, though. Do this do
this. Obama. You're my

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President.

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Obama, you are my president.

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This is great. We'll leave this
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don't know what it is. But it's,
it sounds wacky. Hey, John,

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congratulations. We have a new
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Well, you know, the funny thing
is their protest. You didn't get

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to watch all this because you
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protesting. I mean, there was a
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White House. Code. And yeah. And
they were singing like, you know

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that song? Hey, goodbye. Got it.
Yeah, okay. And there were also

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signs saying, you know, evict
Bush now?

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Well, he pretty much got his
notice deadening isn't it? Like,

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this means he's out?

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Well, the thing is, you know, a
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know, like, last couple of days,
and there's some rumors going

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around that Bush was gonna
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gonna do this and was gonna do
that I was ever I was cracking

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up every time I heard one of
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because the way I'm seeing it,
and the information that we're

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already hearing about, Bush
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tomorrow. These days. It's
actually a feature where we want

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to sound like this. So that
would be something that shows

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how the quality of the sound has
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you didn't care.

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Well, let it go. There was
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we could have tried something,

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you know, we always tried to
reconnect. If that sounds like

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crap, that's true. Well, you
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reconnect. There is no attempt
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that the whole show, if I

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recall, if I recall correctly,
blowout. Now this is this is a

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minor point. I remember that I
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like six months to get an
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before before that, I was
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it well in Amsterdam, you talked
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because I brought up the
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something had some deal they're
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H SP di whatever dongle, which
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3g, even. I think well, maybe
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to position it in a certain
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connection. And the whole show
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a hotel room that works pretty
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friend over the years. There's
no doubt about that. It has

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helped extremely to be able to
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Yes, I agree. And so anyways,
but that had changed. That's

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changed a lot. In fact, it turns
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little bit on show 200 aware
that's when I believe you got

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all your you got geared up. I
don't know if you have that

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fancy device that you that you
have now. But you are you got a

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whole bunch of new gear at show
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Do you have a clip of that
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because it was just like, hey,
we got a bunch of new gear. I do

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have to I do have the opening of
show 200 somewhere I don't know

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why it's a douche opener. Right.

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Okay, do so open. Let's see.
Maybe I can tell you what gear

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it was just from listening to
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fire first public safety. It's
friggin dear

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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's
May

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16 2010. Time here Gitmo nation
media assassination episode

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200. This is no agenda,
celebrating

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200 episodes of mediocrity and
coming to you from the hilltop

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Watchtower crockpot command
center and liberal nation West

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in the People's Republic of
Southern California eight in the

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morning to you all I'm Adam
curry.

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I think not regarding
mediocrity. This is number 200

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from Northern Silicon Valley and
John Cena.

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Greg Levin Buzzkill.

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I just wanted to see if I could
throw Are

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you off guard? But you can
always throw me off guard

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in the morning to get my friend
in the morning to everybody

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listening. Yes. And
congratulations, John,

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because you have new gear.

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Well, yeah, no congratulations
on 200 episodes.

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Yes, I think it's pretty
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I think it's, it's a feat. Now,
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that something from the clips?
Or was that exactly how you came

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the show? But it sounded like

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I remember I remember this
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Angeles. And I think this is
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on the laptop. I liked the setup
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processing. But there was a
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when I was speaking.

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Right? You did that was clear
recently. For years? I did. Yes.

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That would drive me nuts.

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It was not easy. But you get
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And then when you when you take
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think you sound like a moron. My
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And well, one of the things we
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And we'll get I think back on
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questions and we answered a
bunch of questions. Yeah, that's

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where we got the, you know,
where do two guys meet? And when

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you start the show, and then we
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it was a I would say that the
200 shows having really listened

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to them. They're terrible. And
scratch? Yeah. A new kind of

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terrible. Yeah, well, at least
it'll sound good. Yeah, well,

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yeah. Everything sounds good
now.

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So the sound I will say,
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it was I guess it was in Texas.
Yeah. Must have been in Texas

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when I got the Universal Audio
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really changed everything that
changed my world. It changed

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your attitude. Yeah. Now I want
to be perfect every time. Sure.

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would change your attitude. You
have a you're more of a

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perfectionist. But let's listen
to this. Because this time we

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didn't put on the original show
to on it. Let's listen to the

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one of the things I've noticed
about the early shows. That is

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there's latency to the best to
an extreme. I don't know why

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anybody listened to the show.
But let's listen to the opening

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of the first show. Oh, okay.
Hold on.

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Opening your first show. Do we
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guess I mentioned it in the
opening or

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not? That was the nine or
826 2007?

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Seven? Yeah. Welcome, everybody
to a brand new program on the

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pod show network. Which could be
titled A number of things. We

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chose no agenda. But it couldn't
be the show with no imaging. No.

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No. No content yet. The only
thing that is is two guys with

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an idea of putting together a
what we call a John A agenda

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list show agenda show. Exactly.
John C. Dvorak in California,

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Adam curry here in London,
something we cooked up? Was it

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like a four minute phone call?
Hey, we should do a show

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together. Okay. Let's call it no
agenda. Okay. And here we are,

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of course, the basis for a show
like this. And I think everybody

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out there who's ever had a
clinical who has kinds of

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conversations with friends. They
occasionally especially when the

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conversations go on and on
stage, you know, that would have

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been an interesting thing for
other people to listen to. True.

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True. And I think basically, and
I've, in fact, doing a show with

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my wife, because sometimes she
doesn't News Analysis over the

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phone. Sometimes it's pretty,
pretty astonishing.

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But have you ever had the shows
I do with Patricia with my wife?

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Yeah, same kind of thing. It's
great. Right. And we have a

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conversation. Yeah.

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Right. And I think, you know, to
some extent, Don, and drew and

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so almost everybody who, you
know, like to chat, you know,

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pretty much provides this kind
of entertainment.

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Wow, this is before I figured
out the wonderment of the noise

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gate.

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Well, there's that. And I also
lied, because I never really

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heard your show. And you caught
me

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Oh, no, I knew that. I almost
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just so full of crap. That was

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full of crap. But that's not it.
You know, when you're doing this

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sort of thing, you have to be
full of crap to keep it moving

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to keep it moving along, baby.
And so the show was the OB GYN

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as a lark.

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Well, the idea was just a
conversation. Okay.

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And we should of course, it
turns out that that's not what

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we do best. What we do best is
clips and data analysis and

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stuff like that the conversation
is, yeah, it's kind of

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interesting. We have some
letters. I'm just going to start

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reading some of these questions
in a minute. And a lot of it is

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like you're going to talk about
restaurants review restaurants

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again, and all the stuff we used
to do but in this in this first

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show that I want to get this out
of the way. This clip is called

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the first discussion of show
length, which by the way, will

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amuse anyone who listened to the
seven and a half hour show in

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our no agenda.

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No agenda. Yeah, three four
topics sounds about about right.

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Maybe if we do it once a week,
you might

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think Yeah, I think that's a
good idea. I don't think we can

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Uh, I don't think we can sustain
this length because sometimes I

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mean, the, the interview you had
with Dr. Ron was worth

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discussing for a while.

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Yeah, true. Okay. So we'll see.
But this I would say, I agree

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this is maybe a little bit on
the long side, but just under 40

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minutes. What's the max?

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Yeah, I agree.

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40 minutes. Wow, that's just
that's just a clip off at the

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end of our show these days. What
do you got? Man, I got 40

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minutes of clips leftover. But
again, I have to say, a lot of

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this is down to technology. And
just bandwidth alone to be able

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to, I remember clipping stuff
from, from the from the webs. It

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took forever. You click you
wait, I mean, it took hours

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longer than it does today. Then
even though you know, now I have

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a whole system.

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We didn't do. We didn't do long,
many clips. I remember the first

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nothing shows four clips from
me, you know, three from you,

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for from you three. For me, it
wasn't a lot. I do remember when

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I got one of my clips that I do
have this clip, which is this is

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the first mention of a clip. And
the style in which we execute

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the glimpse

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I received in my email this
morning. Several sound clips

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which John has apparently he's
got some form of an agenda

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today. And has prepared
something and the note said for

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the show. Please don't listen.
So I did not. Oh, yeah. And that

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really started? Well, we have a
theory, which is based on

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broadcast experience, that if
you rehearse something, or if

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you set something up, or if you
agree, okay, we're going to talk

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about this or we're going to,
you know it worse, here's your

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punch line. It always sucks. It
sucks every on mainstream. I

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mean, you see it and talk shows,
you know, the way the guest is

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flummoxed. And then the host
says, well, Wasn't there

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something about your dog that
you want to talk about? You

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know, they have to coax the
idiots along. And we found that?

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Well, I think we, throughout the
years, we continuously tried to

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set up something and we try a
bit from from time to time,

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pretty much

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like bits that work a deal. So
we add live from scratch. Yes,

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exactly. And all media would be
so much better. If it was, well,

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you can't tell us a little more
difficult, but it would just be

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so much more better. And, and
really, from a production

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standpoint, once I got this
piece of software called Audio

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rack suite, which is an open
source piece of gear that a

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couple of radio guys put
together years ago, and they've

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now they kind of stopped
developing it because it was

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done with nothing left to do. So
hopefully, if a new Mac OS comes

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out, and we're all forced to
upgrade, I can use it. But

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what's great about it is it's
just drag from a file from a

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finder, you just drag in these
clips and you know, through

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through MIDI, it opens up a
fader I it's very, it's much

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easier for me to just
immediately click and go you say

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something I look at the
misspellings on your clip list.

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I figured out what you're
talking about a dragon and click

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Go. And that's how it goes. I
have no idea what these clips

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are today, even though it's
really technology that has

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helped. I will I have to say
that.

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Well, you're also outrageously
talented at work in a system

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that you designed for yourself.
You know, it's

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interesting, because I've been
looking I've been talking about

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transitioning to Windows and
I've been looking for a similar

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system. And, you know, disc
jockeys today. They don't do

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crap, they don't do any work
anymore. They don't have to

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select anything and put it into
a into a player or you know,

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like, Well, gee, back in the
day, we had the songs on a cart.

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And yeah, big magnetic carton
goes in and you start the cart.

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Yeah, these days, they got a
playlist that they're pretty

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much tracking ahead of time they
record their voice bit they

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schedule it in they go sit on a
groupie for a while. And it's

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very hard to get old school
technology for making radio is

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way I still see what we're
doing.

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Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's the
end of an era.

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It truly is. It truly is.

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So we had the we played the
original opening I had the

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opening up first show I had.
Here's the God let's go into the

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when when I think the show
really got good is when we gave

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up on our idealism of no
jingles. No nothing.

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Was it really idealism or?

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I think well, okay, you're
right. It was a format. We

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I think we were trying to figure
out the format and we started

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with a widget Oh, we'll just
talk and we'll have a little

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conversation. And then you know,
I think both of us felt like I

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was missing a lot. But you have
apparently some moment in time

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when we first started doing this
or what

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have you. I have a number of
clips that kind of relate to

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that. But first I want to get to
the what triggered are deciding

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to do a mockery of radio itself
and which is the weenie and the

448
00:25:01,140 --> 00:25:06,540
buck clips Yeah. And so I have
on my took this from show 200 I

449
00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:10,440
took these three clips out of
out of that show and so we hear

450
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,890
him again this explanation you
can start with I got three is

451
00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:17,070
origins clip weenie in the but
in context

452
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,190
reopened we would open the show
the show that has no jingles no

453
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:25,350
sound effects no agenda, and you
handed me a copy of the Family

454
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:31,650
Guy with the episode weenie and
the but and that really got the

455
00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:35,490
because again, we're both radio
freaks. And we figured this

456
00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:39,090
would just be funny to do and it
kind of stuck and I think that

457
00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:41,910
it'll be fun. That's also where
in the morning came from, by the

458
00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:47,160
way. And it's such a take off on
the morning zoo format and which

459
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,390
we both I would say love and
hate at the same time. Low Of

460
00:25:51,390 --> 00:25:55,050
course now it's just old
fashion. But when you listen to

461
00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:58,920
this, you can understand why
radio guys get off on weenie in

462
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,050
the butt. Two minutes this Oh,
that's the Hulu the Hulu preroll

463
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,500
what's your favorite anytime for
free Hulu, everybody it's really

464
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:09,720
in the bud here live at the go
hog Air Show.

465
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:12,990
We're all ready for the weenies
sound alike contest. I don't

466
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:16,140
know but I don't think they can
say my catchphrase because they

467
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:17,790
know funny.

468
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,380
Oh, there it is. And if you
think you can say that just like

469
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:26,610
weenie here. You could win 97.1
dollars for the cool weekend

470
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:48,090
ahead. And welcome back.

471
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:51,240
Excuse me. I gotta find a lost
kid. Can I use your mic? That's

472
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,230
what she said.

473
00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:53,220
Whoa, you

474
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:59,280
got butt slam? Listen, I could
really use a hand here. That's

475
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:10,320
what he said. That's magic
monkey on 97.1. Weekends in the

476
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:18,840
morning, all weekend long.
Radio. Give me Stewie Griffin,

477
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,360
will you please report to the
radio booth. Stewie

478
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,300
Griffin. Hey, that's quite a
voice you've got there. You ever

479
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,260
think about doing radio? Well, I
listened to a lot of radio.

480
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,140
Peter and Lois leave the radio
on when they go out. So I feel

481
00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:33,810
like somebody's home. Well,
here's my card. Call me if

482
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:36,870
you're interested. Hey, okay,
we've got our first contestant.

483
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:42,480
Let's see your weenies
catchphrase, Dan. No, fine. I

484
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,370
think we have a wiener.

485
00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:49,830
And that's Dickey the punch line
doggy on 97.1?

486
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,470
Warning on 97.1?

487
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,210
Sadly, I've done many programs
for real like that.

488
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:20,010
Yes. In fact, on the original
show, you went on and actually

489
00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:24,180
did a number of them. Maybe,
maybe in the second clip, let's

490
00:28:24,180 --> 00:28:28,590
play the second clip. Okay, so
we kind of decided we didn't

491
00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:31,410
decide it just happened most of
the show, by the way. For people

492
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,370
were asking all these questions.
It's really an evolution. Yeah.

493
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,500
We don't have meetings, we don't

494
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:43,500
know. We, we, in fact, that's if
there's a rule. We generally

495
00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:46,110
agree not to talk about what
we're going to talk about.

496
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:48,840
Because we know that what'll
happen is we'll start talking

497
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,380
about it. And then we bring it
up on the show and then it

498
00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:55,650
always suck. There's like it's
like it's been rehearsed,

499
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,060
there's no tension there. Of
course,

500
00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:02,640
you ran into Jeff Smith. And so
we ended up getting a bunch of

501
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,890
these jingles and things which
some people complain about, but

502
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:08,610
it paces the show. Well, it is a
mockery of the of the other

503
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:12,210
model. And it but it adds kind
of a nice kind of know what it

504
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:15,030
is the atmosphere is improved by
it. The in the morning thing is

505
00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:18,900
used as a as a rim shot,
generally, or it should be and

506
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,290
it is often. So I say something
funny, which is very common on

507
00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:24,510
the show. And then he hits the
board,

508
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:26,520
or if you go off on a tangent.

509
00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,720
So we have a bunch of these
things which we use. And now we

510
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,680
had a couple of questions.

511
00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:40,470
That's an old radio trick for a
segue. It's really it helps them

512
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:44,190
transition the listeners brain
from one segment to the next. It

513
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:45,810
jars you for a moment there.

514
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,430
And if you listen to our last
show, show 200 Adam was going

515
00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:55,020
off the deep end on some topic
and he kept it was way as he's

516
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:58,170
two three minutes overdue to
stop it. And I told him to play

517
00:29:58,170 --> 00:30:01,800
the Adam Curry's pet peeve of
the day. A jingle which I knew

518
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,620
would transition they would do
it you know stop him in his

519
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:05,100
tracks

520
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:11,520
that's right it also stops me
You're right yeah it works

521
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,330
perfectly that way.

522
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:16,140
So the show here's the from one
of our listeners the show you do

523
00:30:16,140 --> 00:30:19,020
today is very different from the
show when you first started eg

524
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:22,860
personal anecdotes are gone no
they're not. Audio clips and

525
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:26,040
jingles are now prevalent
originally less than an hour

526
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,310
week is now four hours a week
and listeners are now asked to

527
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:32,580
contribute cash is the show
where you want it to be or

528
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:35,490
you're planning more changes we
did show just evolved so we

529
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,820
don't plan anything well,
although we do things

530
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,790
individually that may or may not
stick

531
00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:45,120
I'm I'm on board with the
evolution we there's nothing is

532
00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:49,320
absolutely nothing is planned. I
have my own things. John has his

533
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,130
things. Sometimes we might send
each other a link from time to

534
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:56,220
time and even then usually the
link doesn't get discussed

535
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,730
because we saw well whatever you
know is over. But we have a

536
00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:03,600
couple of common interests of
things that are funny that we

537
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,150
think are funny usually they
have to do with mainstream

538
00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:11,460
media. I didn't realize we had
the in the morning jingles that

539
00:31:11,460 --> 00:31:14,580
quickly already. I guess that
was yeah, the the Jeff Smith

540
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:16,860
sir, sort of Sir Jeff Smith did
that well, actually,

541
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:19,260
I tried to find out where this
stuff was first coming from. So

542
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:23,580
I did a little research. And we
play the let's play the third

543
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:27,150
clip of this particular origins
clip but I then I want to I'll

544
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:30,840
give you some Genesis stuff
that's kind of interesting. I

545
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,050
think

546
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:33,630
that's that's the most fun is
when we when we rag on

547
00:31:33,630 --> 00:31:36,840
mainstream media and pull it
apart and simultaneously open

548
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,020
people's eyes as to what's
really going on in on

549
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:40,620
television.

550
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,140
You know, that may have been
triggered by the weenie in the

551
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:46,680
bud episode. Probably, though
the family got because once we

552
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,700
start once we can start mocking
that model, we started looking

553
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,870
at the media bitching about it
generally, on a higher plane I

554
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:59,670
believe than the people at Fox
have ever thought of. And we

555
00:31:59,670 --> 00:32:02,160
started we realized that it was
actually interested we were

556
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,200
entertaining ourselves and we
knew it was very valuable

557
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,620
information and we had the time.
It's not like anyone can't do

558
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,890
this. But most people work for a
living. If you're gonna have a

559
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:15,270
job at Goldman Sachs, and you're
there till, you know, seven at

560
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:17,850
night and you have to get in
early, whatever. And then you

561
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:20,160
have to drink all day, which
seems to be what the job is

562
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,260
about drippers you don't want
strippers, you don't have time

563
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:29,070
to go and start digging around
these stories to find the one

564
00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:32,010
you know the missing element or
the the kind of the crazy

565
00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:35,370
connection, but you just haven't
got time to do it. And then you

566
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:37,740
know, the fact that the
mainstream media doesn't do it

567
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:41,280
and they don't is just makes you
wonder.

568
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:49,830
I have February 8 2009 The in
the first in the morning clip.

569
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:54,660
So that sounds that sounds about
right. And that's by the way,

570
00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:56,640
one of the reasons I'm glad
we're doing the show from

571
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,680
scratch is because I listened to
the original shows 200 points to

572
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,760
one point x and there was a lot
of us just ad libbing you know

573
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,520
like I don't know when we did
that. I but I think after about

574
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,030
a year we did. We did. We got
some real numbers now then

575
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:16,860
you're right. It was 2008 and I
mean 2009 And that's only really

576
00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:19,770
three months into the show. I
have a couple here's a good

577
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:21,570
example of what we're talking
about. No, that's

578
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:26,970
more than three months is 2009
Maybe this is a copy then

579
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:29,700
Oh no, that's right. No it was
today was over a year. What am I

580
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:30,030
thinking?

581
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:32,790
Yeah 2000 I mean, just let me
just play the ones that he sent

582
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:40,890
us at that time we still use
them

583
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,090
yeah, what I was thinking is
only about three or four months

584
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:48,690
after we started taking
donations. Right different began

585
00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:53,340
different origin periods. We
started taking donations in late

586
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:57,750
2008. And he had been everybody
bite the show. 68 Here's what

587
00:33:57,750 --> 00:34:06,300
the show opening in February
1 2008, or 2009 show 68 Here's

588
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,920
what the opening used to sound
like.

589
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,449
It's time once again for the
weekly Adventures of crackpot

590
00:34:12,449 --> 00:34:16,409
and Buzzkill. I live from Gitmo
nation, west and southwest.

591
00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:20,519
Wait, I'm an east from southwest
London. I'm Adam curry.

592
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:27,360
And I'm John C. Dvorak here in
Silicon Valley north. John C.

593
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,170
Dvorak. Yes,

594
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:31,650
yes, you did. And that is Gitmo
nation West. I'm in Gitmo nation

595
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,620
East fresh back and Gitmo nation
east where things are falling

596
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:37,860
apart. And the Brits have
finally started to grab for the

597
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:39,780
pitchforks and torches.

598
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,000
There were riots in in Geneva

599
00:34:46,650 --> 00:34:51,480
the planning is that Geneva but
yesterday the British also not

600
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,400
riots but the they're calling
Gordon Brown on his bullshit the

601
00:34:56,460 --> 00:35:02,640
the workers at what is it total
and a few other outfits and we

602
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,270
had a wild wildcat strike. Yes,
that's what I sound like when

603
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,250
I'm baked. For sure.

604
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:14,220
Yeah, it could be you probably
were baked but it was like the

605
00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,740
leg and all the rest of the
shows were not good in my

606
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:17,310
opinion. Oh,

607
00:35:17,309 --> 00:35:18,509
it's horrible.

608
00:35:18,959 --> 00:35:22,409
Yeah, no it does. So I'm
surprised thank you for staying

609
00:35:22,409 --> 00:35:24,059
with us the few of you who have

610
00:35:24,089 --> 00:35:27,509
Yeah, and people go back and
listen from episode one and

611
00:35:27,509 --> 00:35:31,769
continue to listen and all the
way up to today's shows like

612
00:35:31,769 --> 00:35:35,339
wow, it's doable. When do you
want to do some some questions

613
00:35:35,339 --> 00:35:37,169
want to do those after we go
through the agenda when

614
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:41,370
he gets the questions? Good. So
we get some of this stuff we'll

615
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,570
build on Alisha have a fantastic
ISO. Got it? Oh,

616
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,520
yeah. Okay, um, fast but not
that fast. Amy. I love that.

617
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,850
Fantastic. I love that
fantastic. What was that about?

618
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:04,290
She was just baked, baked. Okay,
now here's the to do February

619
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:10,080
5 2009. Genesis of the in the
morning. This is and this is

620
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:13,530
this is the first time we did
two shows a week. This is the

621
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:17,370
first is the opening from the
first Thursday show. Just like

622
00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:20,400
Doublemint gum. We're now twice
as nice with the Premier Edition

623
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,090
of the weekday. No agenda. It's
crackpot and buzzkill in the

624
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:27,540
morning, coming to you from
Gitmo nation, Eastern southwest

625
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:29,400
London. I'm Adam curry.

626
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:32,400
And I'm John C. Dvorak here in
Silicon Valley North also known

627
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,650
as gizmo nation, period.

628
00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:38,340
Ah, what do you mean? I don't
get my piece of gizmo anymore.

629
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:41,730
Here No you get to be Gitmo
nation whatever Easton those

630
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:43,590
gizmo nation which should be
China.

631
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,730
It's all one big gizmo nation
man.

632
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,020
So I noticed that rush limbaugh
now has a get mo a nation thing.

633
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,930
Oh, you're kidding me. He calls
it Gitmo nation. Literally.

634
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:57,030
No, some mails but it's similar.

635
00:36:57,750 --> 00:37:01,260
I'm so happy we got your YouTube
sound better on this show.

636
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:05,070
Yes, I know. I sound like I'm in
a bucket. Now. Here's

637
00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:05,850
my horrible.

638
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:10,320
This is what 10 days later, when
we started getting the the we

639
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,240
got all those clips in from Jeff
Smith. But we it took really

640
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,910
about a month or two before they
were organized to what they are

641
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:21,630
today. Here's an example of how
he tried to use are you you were

642
00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:25,860
the guy doing it? How you try to
use them early. Wait, what are

643
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:29,640
we talking about here is I'm
sorry, original opening to 1509.

644
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:32,610
Okay, well make sure you play
the right one originating from

645
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,560
opposite corners of Gitmo
nation. I screwed it up already.

646
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:43,080
agenda with Adam curry and John
C. Dvorak.

647
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:45,330
Raglan Buzzkill.

648
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:50,370
Coming to you from Gitmo nation
East in the southwest parts of

649
00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,480
London in the curry terrace. I'm
Adam curry. Oh, that was even a

650
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:00,150
pre production example of our
opening. Yeah, something I think

651
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:03,270
was young Paulette, who put the
whole thing together and I know

652
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:05,970
it's day Fox. I know that's the
voice day Fox very famous. He's

653
00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:08,640
you know, he's the voice of
iHeartRadio. You got a great

654
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,670
voice we've just been you.
Although it's the music that

655
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:16,080
ultimately we use for opening is
I think it comes with apple with

656
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,350
what is their program logic?
It's easy, because from time to

657
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:26,070
time people go hey, man, they
stole your opening tune man.

658
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,550
Like, not really. It's like it's
free.

659
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:35,250
Yeah, well. So you get we've
kind of evolved and I think this

660
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:41,340
show really started to get
better by show 100 And show 100.

661
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:43,620
Right, decided to listen to it
again. And this is the show is

662
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:47,100
interesting because you were
going to quit the show. Tested

663
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:49,230
beforehand. But you know, it
wasn't easy to talk you out of

664
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:53,010
it. But then when I listened to
show 100 I didn't realize two

665
00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:57,120
things in the show. 100 was a
major production with stuff I

666
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,180
don't even remember for the life
of me it was

667
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:03,690
a long thing to was it for then
for eight but then it

668
00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:07,800
was for now it's like a so so I
don't think you're going to

669
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,530
remember a lot of this stuff.
But let's listen. Oh boy, for

670
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,480
people want to reminisce or
never get to

671
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,670
just set the stage. I had left
my first wife. I think I was in

672
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:21,750
Amsterdam with my second wife.
And no, she wasn't my wife. We

673
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,410
were hanging out with it. Yeah,
yeah, but it was. I wasn't that

674
00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:30,960
wasn't a dark place. Yeah, maybe
what the show was was pretty

675
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,290
different. Right? Farmery 99?
No, but didn't.

676
00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:45,240
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677
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678
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679
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683
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691
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692
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693
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694
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now on with the countdown. We'll
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695
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,170
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. Oh
yeah,

696
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,410
it's time for episode number 100
of your gizmo nation

697
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publication. It is the 31st this
is no agenda. This

698
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is no agenda coming

699
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:37,980
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stunningly beautiful Amsterdam,

700
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:42,180
the Netherlands right on the
canals with the sun streaming

701
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:45,210
in. It's still Gitmo though. I'm
Adam curry.

702
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:50,760
And from an overcast northern
Silicon Valley. I'm John C.

703
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,760
Dvorak. Raglan Buzzkill.

704
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,330
That was like that. Yeah, it is
the morning where you are.

705
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:02,910
It's the morning that was like
always in the morning on

706
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:08,340
a real long foreplay, and then
almost premature ejaculation.

707
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,020
Well, at least you get the thing
running an hour late. We're,

708
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:17,580
if we really suck so bad.
Everybody How you doing is no

709
00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:21,360
agenda episode number 100. Good
to be with you. I'm very

710
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,350
excited. By What's your why
interject? Yes, please.

711
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,380
We have a bunch of people that
have written in saying there was

712
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,030
no episode 22 And this is not
really episode 100. Yeah. And

713
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:33,120
you

714
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,610
know what? Amy Winehouse is
really important. Just saying,

715
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,460
Yeah, did we not do what episode
22 What happened?

716
00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:43,980
I don't know. But that doesn't
make any difference. Because

717
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:47,700
since we had to one expurgated
episode, this would still be

718
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:51,240
episode 100. No matter what. But
it's still this will be a

719
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,340
controversial episode. 100

720
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:57,720
Oh, because of the of the count.
It's always a count and

721
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,620
because of the show that we we
put in the can and never reload

722
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:04,050
your right now. We didn't put it
in the can. Oh, I did in the

723
00:43:04,050 --> 00:43:07,770
trash can. And then I emptied
the trash. It's gone. The bits

724
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:10,560
are gone. There's no whatever
anywhere except for the second

725
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,300
half. You have the second half
of episode. The last episode,

726
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:15,690
right,

727
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:19,020
right. Last episode. So we will
call it 100. Seems like a good

728
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:20,850
idea. We had to be introduction.

729
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:24,240
Yeah, that was good. And we've
got a new jingle by the way,

730
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:29,550
which was sent to us by our good
buddy, the Jeff Smith. You want

731
00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:33,210
to hear it? Sure. Go for it.
It's really for later on in the

732
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:35,280
show. But that'll give me a
chance to play it twice. So

733
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,790
listen to this.

734
00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:44,610
Once again. To help support no
agenda, my friends. Help Adam

735
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:49,560
and John keep the show going on.
To drop a coin in the bucket

736
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:57,840
today. Hey DeVore act.org/in A
you could even be knighted.

737
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,800
What'd you say?

738
00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:05,250
Just with man you slay me. I
love that. Fantastic. I wish I

739
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:06,150
had that one.

740
00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:10,470
You know what happened to it? I

741
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:13,800
have no idea. That whole opening
to I don't remember that. I

742
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,990
don't even remember who I mean.
I heard with Schneider. But I

743
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:20,070
don't know who that is. It since
you are you complimented me very

744
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:23,550
nicely do that all the time
about the production but, man, I

745
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:25,320
gotta compliment you on putting
up with me.

746
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:29,310
Yeah, yeah, there's

747
00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:31,560
that sometimes it must be
difficult.

748
00:44:32,310 --> 00:44:35,520
But I will see Yeah. And the
funny thing is about that show

749
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,130
and I listened to and I listened
to it. I didn't remember that

750
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:42,540
opening. And I didn't remember I
kind of almost remembered the

751
00:44:42,540 --> 00:44:46,440
Jeff Smith jingle. Who would you
use later in that show? And and

752
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,110
I don't think it's their
identity disappeared. I have no

753
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,400
idea what and I would mention
that FDA debt disappeared. We

754
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,080
haven't heard from Jeff again.
Now I

755
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,740
hear from him. He's right. He's
saving children and I Africa is

756
00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:04,560
here. Yeah, it goes on mission
South Africa now. It's cool.

757
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,700
It's like that. So I find that
to be interesting, by having

758
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:13,320
this huge collection is a
discussion that we'll probably

759
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,990
get into a little bit here,
which was, and it might stem a

760
00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:23,010
little bit from the clip that
you have of the NPR lady. Yeah,

761
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:23,100
you

762
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:24,120
want to hear that this

763
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:26,640
plays out first. And then we'll
play our discussion about

764
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,070
advertising. This started
answering questions. Yeah, this

765
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:29,220
was

766
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:34,530
Vivian Schiller, at the time,
she was the CEO of NPR. And we

767
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:37,830
were on her on her tail all the
time. I can't remember why. But

768
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:40,740
we didn't like her. And we
thought NPR was full of crap.

769
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:47,280
And, and then somehow, she was
doing a q&a. And this genius

770
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,650
clip came out of it, because I
think we were always saying, you

771
00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:52,200
know, oh, I remember what it
was, like, hey, they're doing

772
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,920
call to action. So they don't
have advertising. But then they

773
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,190
would say, Well, you know, this
is a, this program is brought to

774
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,770
you by Squarespace. And then
they would do like, you know, go

775
00:46:01,770 --> 00:46:04,110
to squarespace.com, which they
only did for a little bit,

776
00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:06,270
because I think they got you
know, they've gotten some

777
00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:08,820
trouble for it. But we were
calling them out on Hey, you

778
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:11,130
just doing advertising. You're
calling it something else. And

779
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:13,140
then Vivian Schiller gave us
this beautiful clip.

780
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:17,280
Okay, moving on to money. How
are NPRs corporate underwriting

781
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,860
revenues holding up in the
recession? And what about

782
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:21,120
foundation grants?

783
00:46:22,350 --> 00:46:28,110
Two different stories.
Underwriting is underwriting is

784
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:31,500
is down, it's down for
everybody. I mean, this is this

785
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,890
is this is the area that is most
down for us is is in is in

786
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:38,160
sponsorship, underwriting
advertising. Call it whatever

787
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,140
you want. Oh, yeah.

788
00:46:41,070 --> 00:46:42,510
And she was gone after that.

789
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:46,230
Yeah, well, she wasn't doing
well there. And she's on her

790
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:49,110
way. She's still you can follow
her on Twitter. She didn't she

791
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:52,860
go to the New York Times. Yeah,
that she left there, though. I

792
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:56,970
think she went to Twitter,
maybe? Oh, that's right. Yeah.

793
00:46:57,420 --> 00:47:02,520
Yeah. Bouncing around 300.
Again, in certain jobs, to

794
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,300
bounce around what happens when
you're no good? Yeah. When we

795
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:10,020
had a, we made this little
discussion very early on about

796
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:15,360
advertising. From a content
creator perspective. And it was.

797
00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:19,080
And I believe it's because I was
irked because we're still early

798
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:25,080
within the first couple 100
shows and you get the you'd get

799
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,340
the comment from somebody some
expert about how why don't you

800
00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:32,220
give what are you doing taking
donations? Why don't you get

801
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:36,660
advertisers? Why don't you find
advertisers, the shows any good

802
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:39,180
it would fight, you'd find
advertisers and you get this

803
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:41,940
from people about why don't you
using advertising and

804
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:45,510
advertising is not for
podcasters. With the exception

805
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:49,560
of a very few people.
Advertising doesn't work for

806
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,590
crap, it doesn't work, that you
have to split the money with

807
00:47:52,590 --> 00:47:56,670
somebody else to add sales guy,
it creates a layer, you have to

808
00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:01,290
take grief from advertisers to
do meetings. Meetings show is

809
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,470
one of our themes. But here's a
little discussion we had on the

810
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:06,330
topic that I thought would be
worth clipping and playing

811
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:08,640
again, radio is terrible. 17

812
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,910
minutes of programming and 13
minutes of commercials, you

813
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:13,200
know, make your choice.

814
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,200
Right? And how much is your time
worth? So I've used that

815
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,360
argument. But then I also find
another one, which I really

816
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,810
haven't exploited on the show.
But you know, because people

817
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:24,120
that this production will cost a
lot of money to make a movie.

818
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,680
What about a novel novels are
one of the first in that one of

819
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,310
the first businesses that are
directly user supported. Good

820
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:36,480
point, you buy a book, good
point. And you read the book and

821
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,220
you've you know, you've already
paid your money though, of

822
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:41,220
course, unlike our show, the
book you pay in advance for the

823
00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:46,410
book, and you pay in advance for
the for the avatar movie, you

824
00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:48,630
pay in advance for a lot of
these things. We don't do that

825
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:51,660
we're more of the church model
where you, you know, if you

826
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:53,580
don't like the sermon, you don't
have to put anything in the

827
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:57,090
coffers. But it's the same
thing. Your books are user

828
00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:00,240
supported. And where's your ads
in a book

829
00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:03,810
now? And what once you get over
the personal hurdle coming from

830
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:09,180
mainstream? Whereby the way we
hate commercials, I've always

831
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:09,990
hated commercials.

832
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:11,850
I hate that's where the GVR is
such a

833
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,510
godsend. No, but I mean, just
even as a creative as a creator

834
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:19,050
of content. I'm like, I gotta I
gotta hit the commercial break.

835
00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:20,400
I gotta wait for the commercial.
Yeah.

836
00:49:20,850 --> 00:49:23,280
Terrible. You got us interrupt
your flow. I watched one of

837
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,310
these shows anyone listening to
this on Fox or in places and

838
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:28,920
they get somebody in a really
heated debate, but they're on a

839
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,850
heartbreak?

840
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:35,400
Yeah. I've seen this with Tom
Brokaw and the president. And

841
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,040
they got some some guys
screaming in his ear counting

842
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,350
down to commercial and the
President's actually just saying

843
00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:44,580
something really interesting.
It's annoying. It's very, very

844
00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:49,020
annoying as a creator to go
through that. But then it was

845
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:53,880
kind of weird. At least for me,
it was, you know, you feel

846
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,510
embarrassed to ask people for
money, and there is a

847
00:49:57,510 --> 00:50:02,430
psychological hurdle. And but
one cheer over that. Got over it

848
00:50:02,430 --> 00:50:05,280
pretty quickly. That's easy
sailing. You know? I'm glad you

849
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,670
got that clip, because that is
that's a message to podcasters

850
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:13,800
everywhere. This is your biggest
hurdle. I'm convinced of it. The

851
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,590
minute you go to the value for
value model, which I don't think

852
00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:20,550
we had coined yet here. No, the
model was there, but not the

853
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:23,430
No, actually, I think you had
coined it a little bit, because

854
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:25,920
I remember it being in that
longer. Even if I can make that

855
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,620
clip longer. I think it might be
in there. It was the beginning.

856
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:32,940
I agree. I think you're right.
It's this hurdle. There's two

857
00:50:32,940 --> 00:50:37,320
hurdles I saw one was doing it,
just doing it just you know,

858
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,150
jumping in the pool. And the
other one is, is taking it so

859
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:45,750
seriously, that you really
becomes part of your life. You

860
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:49,740
don't you know, you're not just
goofing around, right? And

861
00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:53,610
you've mentioned in that clip,
and that longer version, about

862
00:50:53,610 --> 00:50:57,210
tip jars and how stupid it is.
It'd be so passive. You can't be

863
00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:58,680
passive, you have to be
aggressive.

864
00:50:59,009 --> 00:51:03,539
Yeah. And also, we I think we
figured out pretty quickly that

865
00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:08,789
it was a mistake to limit what
people wanted to give by saying,

866
00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:12,419
oh, chip in chip in $3. chip in?

867
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,110
Well, now that you mentioned
that I would didn't have this in

868
00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:20,970
my notes. But I was thinking of
a couple of examples of that one

869
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:24,000
was the mistake podcasters
making podcasters should

870
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,330
obviously I think if you're
listen to this, is that they go

871
00:51:27,330 --> 00:51:33,360
too cheap. Yeah. They're looking
for $1. Nicholas show,

872
00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:38,910
which is very, which is very
much the NPR model, I might add,

873
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:40,140
you know, they

874
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:43,350
don't have to do anything more
than that nowadays, because they

875
00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:45,750
have giveaways. And they have
the

876
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,410
writers Yeah, and tote bags,
tote bags and coffee mugs.

877
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:53,070
But I was thinking about this,
because I noticed that once we

878
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:55,650
kind of opened it up and created
the executive producer

879
00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:59,670
knighthoods to different tracks
for everybody to start donating,

880
00:51:59,730 --> 00:52:03,750
they would give more money into
the support video for supporting

881
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:08,670
the show, they would give more
and would, you know, knowing

882
00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:11,670
that the notes gonna be read or
whatever the rationale is, but

883
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:15,090
when you had it, we had it for a
while. $2 a month, right, which

884
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:18,420
is how we kind of started to
stupidly, and that would have

885
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:20,370
you know, what, there's still
actually one or two guys that

886
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:22,740
are still still on that track,

887
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:25,080
I'm sure through the old paypal
account to

888
00:52:25,110 --> 00:52:31,290
Yeah, the debt, that's a loser.
And when I see people in this,

889
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:33,390
like, Oh, you want to do this,
and we didn't want to get this

890
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:38,340
much money, and it's up to $1,
you get to pay, you know, 15

891
00:52:38,340 --> 00:52:42,630
cents a show. That's kind of the
low end thinking really hurts

892
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:46,410
you. And I'm gonna give it my
favorite example of this. Andrew

893
00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:49,800
Sullivan, they kind of right
wing gay. Yeah,

894
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,040
I guess he was a blogger. He was
a very famous, he's a very

895
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,690
famous blogger was named, came
up

896
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:57,990
with it with he's going to
create an online magazine just

897
00:52:57,990 --> 00:53:02,520
about him. And he did. And he's
had a yearly subscription of

898
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,850
something that he was a yearly
subscription, very rigid, and we

899
00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:11,430
are open to any amount of money
more like a church, I'd say, but

900
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,010
he had this, you know, $24 a
year or something like that, and

901
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:17,160
you get this access to his
thing, which of course,

902
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,920
we need to just say, this only
works. If you produce an

903
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,740
outstanding product. If you
don't have that, then it's just

904
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:28,650
not going to happen. And quite
honestly, listening to some of

905
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:30,180
these old clips. I'm amazed.

906
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:33,210
Yes. So they'd show that you're
actually killed your own

907
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:38,400
argument. Yeah. Now. So some of
it I don't know this story to be

908
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,630
absolutely true. But I do know
that Sullivan opened up because

909
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:44,580
he was very famous at the time.
And I think he had something

910
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:48,780
like 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000
subscribers.

911
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:51,720
I remember. The number was he
was making a million a year.

912
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,500
That's what I remember.

913
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:55,950
That was a million a year. Why
didn't he keep just doing that?

914
00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:58,950
What did he because I believe it
fell off like it does with all

915
00:53:58,950 --> 00:54:03,060
these other subscription models.
Okay, pal kicks you off. Yeah,

916
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:08,310
you lose this guy. You lose that
guy. They stop subscribing, they

917
00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:11,250
fall by the wayside. We have a
lot of people overboard. It

918
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:14,670
doesn't work. I think he
probably wasn't making a million

919
00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:20,940
a year anything became less and
less and then nothing. I just

920
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,940
don't think that the idea of
having a simple subscription as

921
00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:27,330
your only source and I've seen
podcasters tried to do this, the

922
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:31,380
model or we attempt to do and
they keep it they limited they

923
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:34,590
automatically limited Yeah, when
you give them money. It's 19

924
00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:36,750
bucks, you can give them 19
bucks, but you can't give them

925
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:37,410
1000

926
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,010
which is the which is the
downside of Patreon. Patreon is

927
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:42,900
set up in the wrong way in my

928
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:46,380
gun is very limiting. For
example, if somebody says watch

929
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:49,110
his Patreon. Well, we there's
other reasons we don't use

930
00:54:49,110 --> 00:54:53,580
Patreon. Mainly that's their
contract. We don't like it. But

931
00:54:53,850 --> 00:54:58,860
we have like every couple shows
we have new offerings. And

932
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:04,380
there's just you know, set up
using Pay Pal. And you can set

933
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:06,570
up a new, you know, again,
there's some special deals,

934
00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:10,440
sometimes it's open donations, a
random No. donation

935
00:55:10,469 --> 00:55:13,739
and seven times out of 10. It's
the producers, the listeners

936
00:55:13,739 --> 00:55:17,579
themselves who come up with some
crazy idea that we then adopt.

937
00:55:18,089 --> 00:55:23,789
Yes, like, 6969 we have the
hands with 70 seats. 7373 we

938
00:55:23,789 --> 00:55:26,849
have 808 for boobs. I mean, this
is all stuff. We didn't come up

939
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:31,889
with this. No. Yeah, we could
have but no,

940
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,400
yeah, we did. Well, the boobs. I
don't know how you could come up

941
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:42,510
with that. Oh, was a little boob
606? Yeah, just, we had boob.

942
00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:45,690
And but we never, we did come up
with little boob we could have,

943
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:47,580
but we didn't do somebody else.

944
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,810
That's a great one to

945
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:55,440
know. And it's just it just the
model that we put together I

946
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,400
think works better than anything
else I've seen out there. We've,

947
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,830
you know, tried to get other
people to do this exact same

948
00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:07,470
model, because I think it's a
good model for anybody. And it

949
00:56:07,470 --> 00:56:10,380
stems pretty much from
dedicating ourselves to the

950
00:56:10,380 --> 00:56:12,750
model and not even thinking
about advertising.

951
00:56:12,779 --> 00:56:16,109
And then taking a risk. We took
risk.

952
00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:20,460
You think so I never thought
much of it as much.

953
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:23,760
So I gave him my job at my own
company.

954
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:28,680
Yeah, you do? Well, you took a
risk because you gave you quit.

955
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:29,970
You were but you were fed up.

956
00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:33,540
But also I couldn't I couldn't
sell it to myself. Here I am,

957
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:37,890
you know, at a podcast network
which you you can't monetize the

958
00:56:37,890 --> 00:56:41,370
network. You know, trying to
make cheap content and put

959
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:45,210
stickers all over it to you
know, with advertising. And

960
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:47,970
meanwhile, the real fun was
doing the no agenda show. And

961
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,180
it's just like, this is really,
I love this. I love that when

962
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:53,820
someone says, Hey, I enjoyed
this. Here's how much I thought

963
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:58,500
it was worth. That is so much
more fulfilling than, gee, we we

964
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,590
got all the views. We promised
there's engagement boom, yeah,

965
00:57:01,620 --> 00:57:03,720
thanks, advertiser. Oh, sucks.

966
00:57:03,779 --> 00:57:06,989
It sends some bots through and
have them click. I don't want to

967
00:57:06,989 --> 00:57:11,549
talk about that. But anyway, so
that's the way the model came

968
00:57:11,549 --> 00:57:14,759
about. And I think it was, I
think it's good. I mean, we have

969
00:57:14,759 --> 00:57:17,159
our ups and downs is not very
consistent. And this or some

970
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:20,459
gimmick or something fancy going
on or as an anniversary, you

971
00:57:20,459 --> 00:57:25,949
know, it is you struggle. I
mean, it might as well be this

972
00:57:25,949 --> 00:57:28,799
is probably listen to this as
our load donation segment.

973
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,270
Well, hold on, let me interrupt
you. I'm going to show my school

974
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:34,950
by donate to no agenda.

975
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:37,770
Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be

976
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:38,160
fun.

977
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:46,950
Also the Jeff Smith,

978
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:52,590
and we want to mention the,
we're not going to thank anybody

979
00:57:52,590 --> 00:57:55,980
on this show, or the next for
that matter. And so anyone who

980
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,220
contributes to these shows these
particular shows, like if you

981
00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:05,430
send something in over $50,
today, it will be on the sewage

982
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:12,030
show. 98696. And it'll be on.
Yeah, that'll be the 30th the

983
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:15,570
last day of the month. And so
we'll do a big donation segment,

984
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:19,530
which, believe me, we're used
to, although combined a couple

985
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:22,920
of shows, probably it actually
combined three shows. Yeah. And

986
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:25,650
there's gonna be three times
longer than usual. But did you

987
00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:29,160
people this time of year,
they're not this Thanksgiving,

988
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,410
nobody's listening. Okay, go
back and listen,

989
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,800
like the donation segments,
those who don't know how to get

990
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,050
through it, and they miss
important things.

991
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:40,080
And we tell it, we have good
stories within the we make the

992
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080
donation segment. Thank you.
Interesting. Thank you. This is

993
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,850
this, I think is very
entertaining

994
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,480
another point that needs to be
made. But just since we're the

995
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,960
granddaddies of the podcast here
for the moment, if you kind of

996
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,790
make it interesting. Yeah. So
just sitting there, and just

997
00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:01,050
yeah, thank you for this. For
that. No, man. And somehow we

998
00:59:01,050 --> 00:59:04,200
roped ourselves into playing
classic jingles and all kinds of

999
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,260
stuff for people, which I think
does make it interesting.

1000
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:11,670
Except when they all ask for the
exact same jingle one person

1001
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:15,960
after it has read some random
random number theory. But

1002
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,050
anyway, devora.org/na We'd
appreciate if we had got some

1003
00:59:19,050 --> 00:59:22,680
help for this episode, which we
are making an effort to do.

1004
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:23,400
Yeah. And

1005
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:26,640
and I actually, I would like to
thank everybody. For 10 years,

1006
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,460
we've worked Yeah, for the
better part of 10 years, we've

1007
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:32,430
successfully been able to create
this with you. Thank you so

1008
00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:35,910
much. And I'm not just thanking
you for I'm not just thinking

1009
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:38,670
you from the bottom of my heart
with my wife, both of his Ville

1010
00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:45,660
it's not just the contributions
through money. It's the it's

1011
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:47,970
everything. It's all the stuff
that you guys helped produce

1012
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:51,240
with. I mean, that is the true
community. And luckily, there's

1013
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,120
an understanding that the only
way we can do our job is if you

1014
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,320
support us, and it works. And I
think you know, maybe maybe

1015
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,200
maybe sometime in the future,
some Wanna go, Hey, look what

1016
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,700
those guys were doing back then.

1017
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,320
Maybe it's a possibility and
that will bring us out of this

1018
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,240
segment into the questions

1019
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:15,600
fondue.org/and. A, I do want to
just mention, since we pretty

1020
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,800
much mentioned on every single
200 dot whatever episode that

1021
01:00:19,830 --> 01:00:24,600
even even with our model, and
this is important, we have the

1022
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:32,220
most messed up donation address
in the world. DeVore ak.org/na,

1023
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:35,430
you go on the street, do a Jimmy
Kimmel man on the street, nine

1024
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:38,850
out of 10 people can't even
spell Dvorak, let alone to get

1025
01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,440
to this to the URL. But this is
the magic of what we do

1026
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:51,450
devora.org/and A it works.
Jingles work? They weren't we

1027
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:51,690
use

1028
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,010
a lot of old tricks.

1029
01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:57,810
And if only the new broadcasters
would understand that these old

1030
01:00:57,810 --> 01:00:59,340
tricks still work.

1031
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,720
They were developed over time
when radio was King back in the

1032
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,020
good old days. And actually we
after radio got knocked out of

1033
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:09,720
being king, it got even better
in terms of the tricks because

1034
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,900
you had to use more more tricks
because you're competing with

1035
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:16,200
television. Right? So radio
really gotten to the point. I

1036
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,350
mean, the morning zoo model is
not something that would do well

1037
01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:20,580
in the 1930s.

1038
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:25,620
And Scott Shannon still does it
on CBS FM in New York. where I

1039
01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:27,930
learned how to do it he still
does it the number one station

1040
01:01:27,930 --> 01:01:32,490
in New York, believe it or not.
Now, still, it's still holds

1041
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:33,030
water.

1042
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:37,230
Well, you mentioned a second ago
that what when people look back

1043
01:01:37,230 --> 01:01:41,250
on and think of this show, I
don't think they're gonna think

1044
01:01:41,250 --> 01:01:44,130
much of the first 100 of them.
But after that, I think we got

1045
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:47,280
on a roll. And and that brings
us to a question from Larry.

1046
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,090
Hey, okay, got a cop out
questioning calls it may I

1047
01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:55,920
please ask how do you how do you
two experts want to be

1048
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:02,640
remembered? 100 years from now?
Oh, okay. Well,

1049
01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:06,750
I, you want me to go first so
that you can have a better

1050
01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:12,570
answer. I would like to be, I
would like to be remembered by

1051
01:02:12,570 --> 01:02:17,760
what? What I fancy the most is
when people send me an email and

1052
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,980
say, Wow, you really changed my
life, or you helped me with my

1053
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:27,870
kid or something is going better
because of the show. That is

1054
01:02:27,870 --> 01:02:31,110
something you rarely get in
mainstream coming from that

1055
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:35,370
world. PVS throwaway product, we
get the crap, throw it out done.

1056
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,640
We got to realize use this used
to move product. It's Yes,

1057
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,820
exactly. It's not about the
show. It typically mainstream.

1058
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:46,920
This is about the show. And this
is and over over time, I think

1059
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,870
that we discovered ourselves
that we were actually helping

1060
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:56,400
ourselves deal with the insanity
that was going that's going on

1061
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,910
in the world, which is partially
while in a no small part, thanks

1062
01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:05,340
to the internet. You know,
people are getting ill from this

1063
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,700
stuff, but I think we kind of
naturally identified it. And it

1064
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:13,200
was I felt I always found in
good for myself like, Oh, I

1065
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,960
know. Hi, now that I've talked
with John about this, and we

1066
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,810
were laughing about these morons
and all this, etc, that instead

1067
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:23,670
of being afraid or scared or, or
worried, or you know, any number

1068
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:28,890
of things that is usually
intentional. So, I would like to

1069
01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:33,240
be if someone somewhere said it
100 years from now, those guys

1070
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,190
you know, they apparently they
really helped people out a lot

1071
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,580
with their format. With with
their stylings.

1072
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:42,990
gets a good as answers I could
come up with

1073
01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:49,230
Oh, cop out. Yeah. Come on, give
it a shot, John. We know,

1074
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:55,080
I kind of want to be remembered
for some original thinking. That

1075
01:03:55,110 --> 01:04:00,150
could be documented. I liked the
idea of helping people I think

1076
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:03,240
that people get whatever they
get out of their current version

1077
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,330
of the show. And that show I
think is versioned. And that you

1078
01:04:06,330 --> 01:04:09,360
have your original show and then
show we talked about

1079
01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:11,580
restaurants. And we

1080
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:15,180
that by the way, that was the
show is also a bit about our

1081
01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:18,150
lives. Because we did that as
you know, I wouldn't have I

1082
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,880
wouldn't see it for several
weeks or whatever. And then I'd

1083
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,640
be in San Francisco, and we go
and we go to it was kind of cool

1084
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,550
because I had the media credit
card. And we go to a restaurant

1085
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:29,280
and I'd be like, yes, that was.
That was very good. We have to

1086
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,390
do. Yeah, we have a meeting and
some research we have to discuss

1087
01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,780
when we were totally just raping
the company.

1088
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:40,710
Totally raping them. You could
we could have done better.

1089
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:48,300
Exactly. Yeah, for a couple of
days. Yeah, we're nice guys. We

1090
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:51,750
didn't want to make it too
crazy. But yeah, that was and

1091
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:54,660
people did like that. And I
think people in fact, I want to

1092
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:59,310
move to a question from the
Twitter's what we talked about

1093
01:04:59,340 --> 01:05:02,880
all kinds of stuff that bothers
us or the the food stuff was

1094
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,430
always good. We I think we still
do that to a degree. Here's a

1095
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:06,630
question from Adam PERT.

1096
01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:12,960
Why the vinegar fascination?
This has just become a running

1097
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,190
gag, I guess. But maybe we

1098
01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:16,680
should Well, I have this vinegar
book I'm supposed to do. But

1099
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,320
I've kept once I did I have a
problem with with some of these

1100
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,220
little books. That is,

1101
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,460
why stop stop, you have a
problem with any book. Since

1102
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:25,770
I've known you since we done
this show. You have not

1103
01:05:25,770 --> 01:05:27,030
published one book.

1104
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:34,680
So one of the things that I've
had a fascination with is these

1105
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,800
is people who think that that
big what's called a mother of

1106
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,300
vinegar, which is a big gob of
goo cellulose that actually

1107
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,360
produces vinegar, because it's a
form of a senior bacteria, not

1108
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,960
the normal ones. Xilinx I think
is something isn't the name of

1109
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,000
it. It produces a toxic vinegar
that makes you give you a you

1110
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,380
have stomach aches for or nausea
or heartburn for for a long time

1111
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,290
trying to get that out of your
system. And people still make

1112
01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:04,290
vinegar from it. I keep wanting
to do this book as a public

1113
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:05,040
service.

1114
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:06,210
There you go. Tell people.

1115
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,610
This was sorry,

1116
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,140
helping people once again.

1117
01:06:10,410 --> 01:06:13,260
Yeah, helping people once again.
So that's the end. So I'm, I

1118
01:06:13,260 --> 01:06:15,810
keep reminding myself to finish
this book. I actually, here's

1119
01:06:15,810 --> 01:06:18,540
what here's what my problem
tends to be with this sort of

1120
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:22,350
book and nonfiction is that I do
all the research, I got all the

1121
01:06:22,350 --> 01:06:24,750
research done, and then I find
out what I need to find out. I

1122
01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:28,590
know, I know what I need to
know. Then I might as well go do

1123
01:06:28,590 --> 01:06:31,950
something else because I satisfy
curiosity.

1124
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:36,810
I'm done. No, no, I know what it
is. I forget about it. Yeah, I

1125
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:39,750
understand. Yeah. Well, I know
you're a little bit so I

1126
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:43,920
understand. I understand how
that works. Do you anything?

1127
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,070
I got an email from Andrew.
Scratch, scratch, scratch scrape

1128
01:06:50,070 --> 01:06:53,400
if something I'm not sure how to
pronounce his last name. John,

1129
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,400
would you consider indexing
specifying clips you'd like to

1130
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,600
run on a show by number telling
Adam simply something like PLAY

1131
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:01,740
CLIP three.

1132
01:07:02,370 --> 01:07:06,690
Oh, how incredibly boring. You
want yourself robbing?

1133
01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:11,610
Well, it's what it is that comes
from this guy obviously listens

1134
01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:16,950
to Mark Levin. Okay. Mark Levin
and some of these other guys and

1135
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:21,690
showed us I think to an extent
savage does this. Yeah. They say

1136
01:07:21,810 --> 01:07:26,370
clip three go. Wow. And when
they go play clip three, because

1137
01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:29,580
he's that's what he does. He's
just playing clips. There is no.

1138
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,410
Adam doesn't obviously remember
this? Because he would have said

1139
01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:35,340
something already.

1140
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:39,300
I tried. Oh, you did try a
numbering system. Yes. You're

1141
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:40,830
right. I recall right up

1142
01:07:40,830 --> 01:07:45,780
basically told me to pound salt.
He's refuses to do that. Because

1143
01:07:45,780 --> 01:07:47,040
he feels like a monkey.

1144
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:50,310
Oh, that's not why. Well, no,
that's

1145
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:52,530
not why it's just got to be an
element.

1146
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:56,100
No, I find it actually much
easier. No, of course not. Now,

1147
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:00,450
I know you pretty well. So I we
you know, you can pre guess the

1148
01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:02,880
clips. Yeah, when you're
talking. So that's what I do.

1149
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,910
And there's a video out there on
YouTube called how the sausage

1150
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:09,510
is made. You can see it and you
hear you hear John talking?

1151
01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:12,960
You're talking about okay, blah,
blah, blah, whatever the topic

1152
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,290
is, and you can see my mouse.
Like, is it this one? Is it that

1153
01:08:16,290 --> 01:08:19,320
one? Okay, I know what he's
talking about. Drag it in. Maybe

1154
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,900
there's two different things in
the two clips with the same

1155
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:27,150
topic. I'll drag them both in,
get ready to start it. I like

1156
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:31,920
being able to start a clip
without you saying anything. at

1157
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,660
all, no cue. Now.

1158
01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:36,660
Yeah, that does happen on a
really great show. And this I

1159
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:41,340
actually determined to show is
good. It's smooth as silk. I'll

1160
01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:44,190
be yakking about something and
he will see that what I'm

1161
01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:48,570
talking about as a clip, you see
the clip? And then I will just

1162
01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:54,450
stop talking to that pause. And
Neil nail it and when you when

1163
01:08:54,450 --> 01:08:56,550
you listen to one of those
shows, and there's they're not

1164
01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:00,450
every show, but there's more
than you'd expect. It's

1165
01:09:00,450 --> 01:09:02,070
dynamite. Yeah. And

1166
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:05,040
that's why it's many people
professionals say to you guys

1167
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,800
edit that show. How do you how
do you do? How much work do you

1168
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,320
put into that? No, we do it live
we do it live.

1169
01:09:12,779 --> 01:09:19,049
So that's the real reason. And
it is I think it's annoying PLAY

1170
01:09:19,049 --> 01:09:21,419
CLIP three piping is not
necessary. And then you know,

1171
01:09:21,419 --> 01:09:23,729
he's not we don't have an
engineer. We're working on the

1172
01:09:23,729 --> 01:09:26,639
show together. Yeah, the
engineer is not part of the show

1173
01:09:26,639 --> 01:09:29,639
on those on the Rush Limbaugh
show. I mean, sneeringly comes

1174
01:09:29,639 --> 01:09:32,279
in once in a while to his
headphones, but we don't get to

1175
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,629
hear him. Now just it's the old
fashioned one guy yakking

1176
01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:42,030
and yeah, it's because of our
combined talents that the show

1177
01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:45,240
that the show actually works and
it's cost effective, because you

1178
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,930
know, IT professional, your
broadcast professional. I hear

1179
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,530
when you're ready for the clip.
I often miss guess it three,

1180
01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:55,410
four times. I'll start the clip
and usually have a little bit of

1181
01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:59,820
pad in the beginning of your
clips. And I'm sure people have

1182
01:09:59,820 --> 01:10:02,580
heard that clip will start.
You'll hear it and you're

1183
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:05,760
talking. Oops, oops, stop.
Rewind, stop. Rewind, stop

1184
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,400
rewind. Yeah. So when you've
been suggested, yeah, you should

1185
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,160
get a red light. No. Red. Yeah,
like you press a button. You

1186
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:20,280
press a button. I go, okay. No.
Now the there is, of course, a

1187
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,680
way to do it where you could be
starting your own clips. But

1188
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,790
what's the fun of that?

1189
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:30,120
Well, I get it. Yes. And I could
actually change my rig. And have

1190
01:10:30,150 --> 01:10:33,750
a I could actually do the clips
from here. I just need to change

1191
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:36,960
everything. Yeah, I can put a
mixer in here and I could do the

1192
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,920
I can run my own clips. But the
way it works now, it's it's so

1193
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,890
interesting, and I think it's,
it kind of works a little

1194
01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:47,190
better. That's a little more
honest. Because there's a

1195
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,060
clumsiness. Sometimes it's,
that's charming, I think. I

1196
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:57,270
agree. Dean Reiner says, I'm
aware of the lack of consequence

1197
01:10:57,270 --> 01:11:01,650
to this question. But to whom?
Or what does Adam announce the

1198
01:11:01,740 --> 01:11:05,220
to whom? Or what does Adam
announce the nice things? And

1199
01:11:05,220 --> 01:11:07,020
then he has k what?

1200
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:11,250
To who? Or what do I announce
the nine things?

1201
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,890
I'm not sure what this means?
Does he mean the music? Now he's

1202
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:22,020
saying to whom? Who? Who's in
it? Who's the audience? I guess?

1203
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:22,980
Well, I don't know. I

1204
01:11:22,980 --> 01:11:26,760
don't know the audience. I
asked. I asked the Dames and the

1205
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:30,420
dames knights to be I asked them
up on the podium next to the

1206
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:38,880
lectern. And obviously, down in
the in the hall is the round

1207
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,400
table with the existing Knights
and Dames. They're all sitting

1208
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:43,770
there watching. I don't
understand what what the

1209
01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:44,520
question is.

1210
01:11:44,820 --> 01:11:47,730
Yeah. I think you answered it.

1211
01:11:48,690 --> 01:11:52,410
Connor Jarrett, your thoughts on
the future of podcasting? Do you

1212
01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:56,070
see it being valued for value
model? Or a hell of shilling

1213
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:59,190
tongue brushes and razor blades?
Yeah, I think that's what it's

1214
01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:59,670
gonna be.

1215
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,390
I mean, just tongue brushes.

1216
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:07,800
Yeah. And razor blades? Sure.
Not a lot of people will do this

1217
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,730
model. So if you think I'm just
saying what it will be in the

1218
01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:14,970
future is look at it. Everyone's
doing advertising. Yeah, I don't

1219
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:15,120
think

1220
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:20,010
that's 100% agreement. Nobody
wants to do this model. I mean,

1221
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:22,800
we do have Jen, Brian, he does
this model, she does quite well

1222
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,490
for herself.

1223
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:24,900
And you met on I think,

1224
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:32,220
yeah, it was helped. But there's
other people that could do this

1225
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:35,010
model, and they just won't pull
it, they won't. I don't want to

1226
01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:39,600
say who it is. But there's
somebody that has a version of

1227
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,010
this model. But they use Patreon
almost exclusively, which we

1228
01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:49,350
believe to be a mistake. And
they once said, they can't

1229
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:52,290
totally get into the mall
because this person once said, I

1230
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:58,950
don't think I'd feel comfortable
taking checks. And Adam and I

1231
01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:02,430
discussed this every once in a
while we know who it is. And we

1232
01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:05,190
discuss it and you shake your
head.

1233
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:08,580
And why wouldn't you take money?
I don't understand.

1234
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:11,550
I don't know I wouldn't feel
comfortable. I take in money

1235
01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:13,950
from pay. I mean, I can take the
check the goods comes in the

1236
01:13:13,950 --> 01:13:16,590
mail from Patreon. But I won't
take a check from a listener.

1237
01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:17,340
Why?

1238
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:22,320
And in fact, you you've kind of
made a hobby of looking into all

1239
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:28,020
these alternative forms like pop
money and guess what other ones

1240
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,800
probably be more money right now
through a credit union does

1241
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,160
work. Checks work great. And

1242
01:13:35,759 --> 01:13:38,279
everybody wins and checks.
Everybody wins. Yeah, there's no

1243
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:39,539
cost. That's fantastic.

1244
01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:44,550
No cost. And bank has to pick up
a it helps the mail.

1245
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:48,810
It keeps the US Postal Service
and businesses is a very good

1246
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:52,170
thing. These checks. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, so we like the checks.

1247
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,250
Yeah. And they're and sometimes
they're pretty nice. Somebody

1248
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:56,760
also

1249
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,790
said some people send their own
check from their personal

1250
01:13:59,790 --> 01:14:01,950
account through the mail with
their own

1251
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,190
it's not a check. It's content.

1252
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:09,780
Yeah, it's content. That's what
it is. Exactly.

1253
01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:15,840
Alan Bradley. Why do you
interrupt Adams professional

1254
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,170
well written show opens with
duck calls and sound effects.

1255
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,980
I do that I don't do that that
often. I just think you

1256
01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:27,270
don't do it often enough. You
started doing that a couple of

1257
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:30,810
years ago, man that's more than
that. Five years ago, I'll say

1258
01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:36,690
yeah, it's very it began I began
with a slide whistle

1259
01:14:36,750 --> 01:14:40,260
you start a slide with a slide
whistle and a harmonica is yeah

1260
01:14:40,260 --> 01:14:40,830
harmonica

1261
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:46,290
isn't slide whistles. And I
think it was like a Spike Jones

1262
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:50,310
thing just you know, once the
module just throw something in

1263
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:53,670
there. Totally. Spike Jones has
another you know, jingle like

1264
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:57,240
thing for transition or an
accent or you know, and that we

1265
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,470
also have the bells of course. I
think I All both of those. You

1266
01:15:01,470 --> 01:15:03,900
started with a slide whistle I
got a slide whistle. That's

1267
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:08,730
true. You gotta go. I got it. I
got a digital bill. Well, I have

1268
01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:12,180
real belt. There's a real Bell
and here's the digital bill.

1269
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:18,420
Okay, well, you got to Belsen. I
haven't gone anywhere.

1270
01:15:18,449 --> 01:15:23,189
But what? Here's my question to
you. Just right near your chaise

1271
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:28,409
lounge where you are now. Yeah.
What what noisemakers Do you

1272
01:15:28,409 --> 01:15:30,959
have? Just give them to us one
by one?

1273
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,879
Okay, I've got to the recorder.
The off key recorder I have

1274
01:15:37,410 --> 01:15:39,600
to come to your house. I'm going
to play that thing. And you're

1275
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,240
gonna be like, Wow, I had no
idea. It actually wasn't broken.

1276
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:48,000
There's no way Look, there's no
way this thing is broken. It's

1277
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:48,330
not

1278
01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:50,760
broken. You're done doing it
right.

1279
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:56,820
Doing It Wrong. I got I got
chimes. Yeah, I got the gong

1280
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:01,290
sounds what chimes he's changed

1281
01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:03,330
I don't play him that much.
Because they're kind of set over

1282
01:16:03,330 --> 01:16:08,190
here and you can barely hear him
up and take near the mic. So I

1283
01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:12,030
just stay there. I never really
use them much. I get to to sound

1284
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:20,370
makers, electronic sound makers
like this one. And, and this the

1285
01:16:20,370 --> 01:16:25,110
other one you gotta buy this
one's got four by five it's got

1286
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:29,880
20 buttons on it. The other one
has four. I have a bunch of

1287
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,740
harmonic as different keys. I
have a right hands link that

1288
01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:41,130
always got this ready. I have
that horrible sounding this

1289
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:41,610
thing

1290
01:16:43,140 --> 01:16:45,750
oh no, no, that's a bad one
people get very triggered by

1291
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:46,260
that thing.

1292
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:50,640
Yeah, I don't like it and it's
and it hurts. I hit it with a

1293
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,040
piece of plastic this time so
you couldn't really hear it but

1294
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:53,910
oh my god yeah,

1295
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:56,730
that's what the teacher we got
that because a teacher was using

1296
01:16:56,730 --> 01:17:00,060
that in class to get the
children's attention and make

1297
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:00,990
them some better good.

1298
01:17:01,050 --> 01:17:09,540
Yeah, I got this I have the duck
call. I have the moose call or

1299
01:17:09,540 --> 01:17:12,420
deer call. These are all right
at my fingertips. So

1300
01:17:12,450 --> 01:17:14,130
give us give them to us.

1301
01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:19,440
Oh, okay, well right my
fingertips but push them aside

1302
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,850
here's the I got this is a good
one I forget about this all the

1303
01:17:23,850 --> 01:17:31,920
time need to read I got this
thing this Yep, got that which

1304
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:42,570
also sounds like this I got this
and this got about that I don't

1305
01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:52,170
use it that much. I got this got
this

1306
01:17:57,630 --> 01:18:00,480
in your family gives you these
things as gifts for birthdays

1307
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:10,500
and Christmas don't lose your

1308
01:18:10,530 --> 01:18:14,310
Hillary pen. The Hillary pen
Yeah, that's not right at my

1309
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:18,780
fingertips it's on the table.
Let me take a spin around here

1310
01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:24,810
on this chair. Should be one
there it is. In the pile pile of

1311
01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:41,370
paper to classic got this guy
one had to

1312
01:18:42,089 --> 01:18:48,779
I got this guy. I got that. I
love that one. I only have three

1313
01:18:48,779 --> 01:18:51,269
No, I only have three
noisemakers I got actually this

1314
01:18:51,269 --> 01:18:53,879
is this is not a noisemaker This
is my instrument. I've gotten

1315
01:18:53,879 --> 01:19:02,459
pretty good on this slide
whistle actually put on it well,

1316
01:19:02,519 --> 01:19:03,359
that's not my day,

1317
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,890
and we both have kazoos. I don't
know where mine is. Because my

1318
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:11,430
kazoo, you don't need as many
noisemakers because you have the

1319
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:16,800
soundboard Yes, I do have this.
I got that. I have one of those.

1320
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:23,490
I lost it. And the most
important one is this. I use

1321
01:19:23,490 --> 01:19:25,410
this font. We can make a lot of
racket. Yeah.

1322
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:26,520
So that's where we have

1323
01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:34,080
Alex B writes, will you continue
the show for the rest of Trump's

1324
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:41,640
first term like you promised
right after he was elected? I

1325
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,800
keep hearing jokes about exit
strategies. Any hints about

1326
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:51,750
quitting? I know it's selfish,
but I would hate I'd hate it if

1327
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:54,600
you quit too soon since I only
started listening right after

1328
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:59,280
Trump was elected know what it
is ask for my recommended suite

1329
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:05,370
of anti virus Software and other
tools I use a vast AVG LG use

1330
01:20:05,370 --> 01:20:10,530
AVG no no I switched to Avast
out long time ago, I use a vast

1331
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:15,030
free and I also use Spy Hunter.

1332
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:18,780
Yes bite so I have Spy Hunter
Spy Hunter Hunter

1333
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:24,900
it does the trick as Adam When
did singing along to the Ride of

1334
01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:29,820
the Valkyries when did that
began? What makes rituals like

1335
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:32,970
that so embrace? I'll tell you
but let me answer for him before

1336
01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:37,020
he answers which is he's
superstitious. Yes. Give her a

1337
01:20:37,020 --> 01:20:39,990
notice you hold any other
superstition outside of the

1338
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:40,530
show?

1339
01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:45,390
Oh, tons of superstitions. Yeah,
yeah. It's all part of the

1340
01:20:45,390 --> 01:20:50,220
Tourette's obviously. I don't
remember exactly when it

1341
01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:53,550
started. I do know that we were
talking about or I'm sure it was

1342
01:20:53,550 --> 01:20:59,130
something came up on the show
that Hitler's guy gurbles the PR

1343
01:20:59,130 --> 01:21:04,920
guy he would always play the
right of the Valkyrie before

1344
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,370
Hitler did important big speech.
I thought well, you know, that's

1345
01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:11,790
a good idea. I'll get everybody
kinda like it's and we have a

1346
01:21:11,790 --> 01:21:16,020
very good version of it to the
fat lady. Even though we've

1347
01:21:16,020 --> 01:21:19,560
never seen her we just know you
imagined It's like she's a nice

1348
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,750
plump lady who's singing that
there's no there's no other

1349
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:25,110
ladies look like you can do that
unless it look like that. That

1350
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:31,470
kind of operatic I think so.
Yeah, this is perfect. And she I

1351
01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,920
don't know then somehow Cinco de
Maya came in that became a thing

1352
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:34,980
I

1353
01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,020
don't know where they came in.
Oh,

1354
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:39,960
I don't know. Yes, I'm very

1355
01:21:40,589 --> 01:21:47,789
just for one thing that song is
not kept on the recordings. No,

1356
01:21:47,789 --> 01:21:50,729
it's so it's impossible to track
down when that happen because we

1357
01:21:50,729 --> 01:21:52,139
don't record that part of the
show.

1358
01:21:52,230 --> 01:21:54,900
Well I do on the backup recorder
but I always delete that.

1359
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:58,800
Yeah, you can't keep all that
stuff. So we'd have to go

1360
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,230
through show up to show you
where he first did it we first

1361
01:22:01,230 --> 01:22:05,670
did Cinco de mio and then you
did it and did it is my

1362
01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:08,820
recollection. You did it did it
did it any one time you didn't

1363
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:11,730
do it and there was some follow
up with the show. And so you

1364
01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:15,450
made the assumption that it was
the Sanko missing Sanko to

1365
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:19,050
Majlis and to this day if you
miss Sanko tomorrow you're very

1366
01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:19,680
upset

1367
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:22,710
yes and there's a lot of people
listening to the show have no

1368
01:22:22,710 --> 01:22:26,130
idea what this is because it's
always on the live stream is

1369
01:22:26,130 --> 01:22:30,090
never in the show itself.
Someone came up with with an

1370
01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:34,920
abbreviated version in which is
kind of like a break glass in

1371
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,580
case of an emergency if I miss
saying Cinco Demayo at the right

1372
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:41,910
point you know it makes no sense
to start the whole thing over

1373
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:44,370
again instead we have this
version.

1374
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:53,280
Yes and well we also have is the
me got a couple of shouts like

1375
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,470
that. That's all it's almost
Yeah, it is superstition, but

1376
01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:57,420
it's kind of like getting ready
for the big game. I take this

1377
01:23:57,420 --> 01:24:01,830
seriously. You know, it's like
it's three hours where, you

1378
01:24:01,830 --> 01:24:04,650
know, we've been up for hours
getting everything ready. You

1379
01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:07,980
know, I'm psyched getting
psyched. That's what it is

1380
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:08,880
getting psyched.

1381
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,740
Yeah, yeah, it's like a football
game. Honky Tonk. Willie writes

1382
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,710
your show is immensely
educational. As such without

1383
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:22,530
certain background information,
much of your discussion lacks

1384
01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:26,070
the necessary context for new
audience numbered members. This

1385
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:29,310
is one of the reasons we do this
particular show every so often.

1386
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:33,120
Here's a few items, I think
would be good to address. We're

1387
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,480
not going to address any of them
probably, but I'll list them.

1388
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:41,040
And exposition on pipelines
would be good. Nord Stream suds

1389
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,730
should stream Qatar Iraq blah,
blah, blah. Okay,

1390
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,600
well, you saying that would be
good to have that.

1391
01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:51,990
Then now we've done it before.
There's a show dedicated to

1392
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:55,110
it. Yes, that's that's exactly
why I'm so surprised.

1393
01:24:55,410 --> 01:25:00,210
I don't know that he knows what
show it is to you. You're gonna

1394
01:25:00,210 --> 01:25:02,850
look it up well I read this list
is a long list by the way, we're

1395
01:25:02,850 --> 01:25:05,820
not obviously going to be able
to address it on this show T tip

1396
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:09,210
of the Trans Pacific Partnership
said and other huge trade

1397
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:13,950
agreements that are not opaque.
A roadmap of liberals and

1398
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:16,800
conservatives classic and modern
laid out on top of current

1399
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,100
Republican Democrat ideologies,
hawks and doves, and where the

1400
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:24,270
Neo cons fit into the mix
globalism versus nationalism

1401
01:25:24,270 --> 01:25:27,390
what they really are versus what
people think they are, like

1402
01:25:27,390 --> 01:25:32,220
people on the street bit bit
with people thinking socialism

1403
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:36,570
sounded pretty good. People
think globalism, one big groovy

1404
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:42,480
Global Village five or 12345,
the economic hitman style of

1405
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:45,510
exploitation. You explained it
fully several years ago. And now

1406
01:25:45,630 --> 01:25:51,090
just refer to it by name.
expound on this, Ukraine number

1407
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:54,960
six, Ukraine hits at least four
of the above. So that's a rich

1408
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:00,090
subject for a recap. seven to
seven countries in five years

1409
01:26:00,090 --> 01:26:01,470
also we do that a lot.

1410
01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:05,310
Yeah, in fact, it now it's
really in play again, when he

1411
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:05,580
gets a

1412
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:08,160
lot of play on the show, but I
can hardly remember the thinking

1413
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,790
behind it. We are spreading
democracy giving the finger to

1414
01:26:11,790 --> 01:26:14,970
Russia. There was no thinking
behind it when it first showed

1415
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:18,180
up. No, there was no thinking
behind it. It was just something

1416
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:19,530
that was the West Lark.

1417
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:26,790
He wants to go to Episode 426,
July 15 2012. That was the

1418
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:31,290
pipeline report. And that is the
episode where we discuss all of

1419
01:26:31,290 --> 01:26:34,920
that all of those pipelines and
the and everything behind it.

1420
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,400
And that's been an ongoing as
still is an ongoing thesis where

1421
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,220
I'm talking about that much
anymore. A lot of these projects

1422
01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:45,750
have been stalled. And the focus
is a bit off of Ukraine now but

1423
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:49,890
that is that's and that was also
thanks to one of our characters

1424
01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:53,400
on the show back in the day, Mr.
Oil, if you remember him. Yeah,

1425
01:26:53,550 --> 01:26:57,840
Mr. Oil was a commodities trader
traded oil and Russian guy

1426
01:26:57,870 --> 01:27:02,880
living in the UK. And he
explained to me, you know, how

1427
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:06,870
everything really revolves
around oil and its transport,

1428
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,440
and not just oil, but also gas.
And so then you know, then we

1429
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:13,110
understood the gas part. And
once we got that, then you

1430
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,380
understand all the problems with
Russia, you understand the

1431
01:27:16,410 --> 01:27:20,040
tension with the EU 426 is a
good episode four to

1432
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,140
six.na shownotes.com.

1433
01:27:22,679 --> 01:27:28,409
There is also we had to we are
the two of us are accepting of

1434
01:27:28,409 --> 01:27:32,639
the fact that we are in a
petroleum economy. Yes. Which a

1435
01:27:32,669 --> 01:27:34,529
lot of people are just in denial
about

1436
01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:37,560
and it's not just what you put
in your motorized vehicle

1437
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,360
either. It's look around you

1438
01:27:39,389 --> 01:27:42,839
every is the paint is your belt
is the paint is your rayon

1439
01:27:42,869 --> 01:27:47,999
shirts such as crocs. It's
everything. Crocs, crocs, crocs,

1440
01:27:48,029 --> 01:27:52,769
it's all petroleum products.
Exactly. Okay, onward. He says

1441
01:27:55,259 --> 01:27:58,739
seven countries in five years,
okay. Democracy versus Republic

1442
01:27:58,739 --> 01:28:01,469
forms of government mind. We
talked about it every so often.

1443
01:28:01,499 --> 01:28:03,479
You know, this is one of the
things that should be taught in

1444
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:08,609
high school. Thank you. And we
can't really pick up that much

1445
01:28:08,609 --> 01:28:12,419
slack and without boring people
to death. That's also what we

1446
01:28:12,419 --> 01:28:15,449
do. I mean, we do not we're not
here to educate you. We're here

1447
01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:17,699
to deconstruct news. Yeah, we're
trying to

1448
01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:21,240
help you understand what the
bullcrap is, how it's made, why

1449
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,020
it's made, and what's ultimately
behind it. And and to some

1450
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:29,550
degree on a grand scale, what
the moves are meant to be in the

1451
01:28:29,550 --> 01:28:32,670
world. It's kind of a small
world when you look at the map,

1452
01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:36,420
but for us, it's like, okay,
this is why this is happening.

1453
01:28:37,770 --> 01:28:42,450
And he says, Episode 200x is a
perfect place for a rundown on

1454
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:46,080
the best port wines of last 100
years, as well as notable

1455
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,370
vintages of French reds and any
interesting California wines.

1456
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,300
Yeah, it is a good idea. We're
not going to do it, though. For

1457
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:56,880
the regular show, restaurant
reviews are always welcome.

1458
01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:01,620
Because they visited the Bay
Area. But anyway, yeah, we do

1459
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:04,710
what we can. I know there's a
lot of back references that

1460
01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:10,410
really hurts new listeners
because we don't we do we do

1461
01:29:10,410 --> 01:29:11,760
reference a lot we say what

1462
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:15,720
the I think what is often
difficult is our nomenclature.

1463
01:29:16,380 --> 01:29:21,660
It's in, in off show life and in
show life, I have a hard time

1464
01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:25,230
remembering people by their
actual name. And so I give them

1465
01:29:25,230 --> 01:29:28,770
names. And people around me
usually figure out who I'm

1466
01:29:28,770 --> 01:29:33,750
talking about. And I don't know
if we just kind of stuck we do a

1467
01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:36,120
lot of that on the show and we
have nicknames for everybody.

1468
01:29:36,780 --> 01:29:38,130
Usually disparaging.

1469
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,260
Yeah, they tend to be

1470
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:43,740
that's hard for people because
it's one

1471
01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:47,640
of those things. Now finally say
as a PSA, this is kind of

1472
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,950
interesting. He says I'm a
loudspeaker guy and only twice

1473
01:29:49,950 --> 01:29:52,590
in 10 years. Have you said
anything about your home

1474
01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:58,410
speakers? Okay, my speaker setup
currently is a it's a

1475
01:29:58,410 --> 01:30:01,740
combination of speakers that I
have Rigg together. But my

1476
01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:06,390
favorite normal speakers adult
quiz DQ tans which can be had

1477
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:08,970
for about 600 bucks if you shop
around but you do need

1478
01:30:08,970 --> 01:30:13,050
subwoofers now he says you need
at least 12 inch woofers or I've

1479
01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:17,130
made that opinion but I said I
have 15 inch woofers I actually

1480
01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:21,540
have two sets of 15 inch woofers
they're not eight JBL 's are two

1481
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:28,590
very large boxes of sirloin Vega
15 inch woofers in a I had a

1482
01:30:28,590 --> 01:30:31,590
friend of mine is this backstory
friend of mine used to it was

1483
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:35,010
still stills major speaker
designer and while he was

1484
01:30:35,010 --> 01:30:39,570
working for Sir When Vega he
sent me these two boxes of giant

1485
01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:43,470
woofers and I've been using them
ever since they're dynamite. And

1486
01:30:43,470 --> 01:30:47,100
so I don't know if they're even
available to the public Tom down

1487
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:51,540
your cars. Another classic.
Another classic

1488
01:30:51,570 --> 01:30:53,550
remember that? Oh, this is
something that needs to be

1489
01:30:53,580 --> 01:30:57,780
mentioned since it isn't on the
show in all the it's an all the

1490
01:30:57,780 --> 01:31:03,630
other 200 dot foo episodes. John
does not use headphones. He

1491
01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:07,620
listens to everything on
speakers in his studio, which

1492
01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:12,030
was a problem for a while there
for a number of reasons. That's

1493
01:31:12,030 --> 01:31:15,120
actually how we started using
noise gates is I guess I could

1494
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,970
hear my voice coming back
through your microphone with a

1495
01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:19,740
delay of course thanks to Skype

1496
01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:24,270
as it was horrible. I had to
turn the speakers way down

1497
01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:26,670
alright, they worked in some
environments where the speakers

1498
01:31:26,670 --> 01:31:29,550
were a mile away there was a
there's some magic distance you

1499
01:31:29,550 --> 01:31:33,180
can put the speakers and I've
had him way out there but ever

1500
01:31:33,180 --> 01:31:36,540
since he got his thing perfected
I could get the six figures

1501
01:31:36,540 --> 01:31:39,150
anywhere doesn't he just doesn't
bounce back on him

1502
01:31:39,179 --> 01:31:45,179
don't have any issue at all. But
it is a style of of radio and

1503
01:31:45,179 --> 01:31:50,219
just call it radio. Not using
headphones that is you know, I

1504
01:31:50,219 --> 01:31:54,179
can't do it. You can you'd like
it you prefer I can't I need to

1505
01:31:54,179 --> 01:31:57,569
hear exactly what's going on.
And you just for some reason you

1506
01:31:57,569 --> 01:31:59,279
don't Yeah, you don't need them.

1507
01:31:59,310 --> 01:32:03,510
I really like it a lot better
free air. And I got this first

1508
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:05,820
time I ever saw it been
professionally use it was when I

1509
01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:09,300
was floating around promoting a
book and I got to go to a lot of

1510
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:12,090
radio stations around the
country. And the one thing I

1511
01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:15,150
noticed is that no two radio
stations are the same. No, which

1512
01:32:15,150 --> 01:32:19,440
is anything but standardized.
And I was up in Vancouver,

1513
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:23,730
Canada, there's a talk guy up
there named Bill good. And Bill

1514
01:32:23,730 --> 01:32:26,910
good was free for me wouldn't
even let me put you know, we do

1515
01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:29,880
have a chair at a microphone and
we act away and it came out

1516
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,810
fine. And then I started various
overtime, I developed the

1517
01:32:33,810 --> 01:32:36,480
ability to do it because you do
have to be a little

1518
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:39,870
conscientious about your work
how you're making yourself

1519
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,930
exactly. You It's everyone's
Well, I kind of I kind of go off

1520
01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:50,310
axis like this. But generally
speaking, I'm where I'm supposed

1521
01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:50,610
to be.

1522
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,790
You're a professional. I'm a
professional professional

1523
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:59,070
pronunce Decatur. Here's a
question from wherever they go.

1524
01:32:59,070 --> 01:33:05,820
My question is from Jeff J to H.
John, what other jobs do you

1525
01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:08,190
currently have? Besides the
show?

1526
01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:13,320
Right now I'm just writing a
column for PC Magazine and

1527
01:33:13,350 --> 01:33:18,330
trying to finish some books.
Also do the DHMC I was gonna

1528
01:33:18,330 --> 01:33:22,230
say, do GH and plug and play
with Andrew Horowitz is we run

1529
01:33:22,230 --> 01:33:27,210
it on Tuesday and he runs a chat
room live live stream too. And I

1530
01:33:27,210 --> 01:33:30,150
liked that because I used to
always have a job or working for

1531
01:33:30,150 --> 01:33:34,440
some financial publication. And
this keeps me in the game. I get

1532
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:37,410
to you know, hear what's going
on with kids. Horowitz is in the

1533
01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:38,340
business? Yep.

1534
01:33:39,630 --> 01:33:43,680
Yeah. Yeah, I don't have any
other job. This is my job. This

1535
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:44,340
is what I do.

1536
01:33:45,690 --> 01:33:51,090
Brian, Brian Edelen writes, has
anyone ever contacted either of

1537
01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:55,140
you two guys, after they've been
featured negatively in a clip

1538
01:33:55,140 --> 01:33:59,160
deconstruction, maybe a PR
person or an angry fan base of

1539
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,510
that person? We remember anybody
getting irked by our

1540
01:34:03,660 --> 01:34:04,500
presentation.

1541
01:34:04,530 --> 01:34:07,740
Now, I can't remember. I mean,
lots of people get irked about

1542
01:34:07,740 --> 01:34:17,190
stuff we say. No. i Why would
they? You mean like a politician

1543
01:34:17,190 --> 01:34:18,540
or a celebrated

1544
01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,330
or PR person that doesn't want
us talking about something like

1545
01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:24,750
Monsanto? I mean, we are old or
older shows which concentrate a

1546
01:34:24,750 --> 01:34:27,600
lot on Monsanto. You had a
jingle that we haven't played

1547
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:34,200
for a long time. You think they
would be the ones that would you

1548
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,280
know? No.

1549
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,270
Honestly, I think people just
think that's a podcast that

1550
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,840
gives a crap. I honestly believe
you're right and they're wrong.

1551
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:49,770
They're absolutely wrong. It's
like It's like even people

1552
01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:53,220
always say you should you know
get some press Get a PA we've

1553
01:34:53,250 --> 01:34:55,800
done this from time to time
we've tried to do interviews,

1554
01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:59,730
that never really works. You
know if if we could get on Joe

1555
01:34:59,730 --> 01:35:02,430
Rogan and show and I'd like to
let everybody know I'd love to

1556
01:35:02,430 --> 01:35:06,660
go on Joe Rogan John would love
to go on Joe Rogan that's never

1557
01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:10,620
worked out I've never been
officially invited I don't know

1558
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:13,620
to that kind of stuff works very
well

1559
01:35:13,860 --> 01:35:16,110
yeah cuz he's got a good
audience a big one

1560
01:35:16,170 --> 01:35:16,650
yeah

1561
01:35:18,779 --> 01:35:22,379
does Adam still have his bar of
gold and all of his Bitcoin as

1562
01:35:22,409 --> 01:35:28,319
Dr. Chris will the bar of gold?
No, no, we lost that in divorce

1563
01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:34,919
one I do not have all my bitcoin
I still have some, but I am not

1564
01:35:34,919 --> 01:35:38,369
really going to sell it. It's I
got it for nothing. I got it

1565
01:35:38,369 --> 01:35:41,699
from listeners from the daily
source code. You know, it was

1566
01:35:41,699 --> 01:35:44,909
just like it used to be when it
was new you could you bought a

1567
01:35:44,909 --> 01:35:51,749
pizza for 1000 Bitcoin at? And I
don't know, so I'm, I think I

1568
01:35:51,749 --> 01:35:55,319
live true to our standard of
what Bitcoin is, I don't care.

1569
01:35:55,829 --> 01:35:58,109
And maybe one day, it'll be a
million of it. Yeah. Not that

1570
01:35:58,109 --> 01:36:01,229
you can sell it all. That's a
little secret about Bitcoin,

1571
01:36:01,859 --> 01:36:06,419
even to the exchanges. You can
sell I think $2,000 worth a day.

1572
01:36:06,449 --> 01:36:07,889
Now that's really going to work.

1573
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:13,830
Okay, here's a here's a beauty.
This is why we have these

1574
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:18,540
listeners, Jeremy being one of
them. In Canada, in the morning,

1575
01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:22,620
please, please, please, please
take a good look at the flat

1576
01:36:22,650 --> 01:36:26,430
earth movement. It's real. And
you would not want to miss the

1577
01:36:26,430 --> 01:36:29,880
opportunity you have now to be
on the cutting edge of the

1578
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,690
discussion. Either way, I will
always be your lifetime

1579
01:36:33,690 --> 01:36:36,180
supporter. stay flat jaren.

1580
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:43,260
Well, we did a couple of flat
Earth episodes. Yeah. Actually,

1581
01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:47,220
and it was very difficult
because John, of course, would

1582
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:52,770
just scoff at every every 30
seconds. I don't remember what

1583
01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:56,370
episode it was. It was it was
not that long ago. It maybe it

1584
01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:59,580
was about a year at least a year
ago. Yeah. But we're always on

1585
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:03,930
the cutting edge of that kind of
stuff. Now, yeah. Is there

1586
01:37:03,930 --> 01:37:06,750
anything more we can say about
it? No. You know, there's just

1587
01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:08,460
there's nothing else to say
unless there's some

1588
01:37:08,460 --> 01:37:12,150
revolutionary breakthrough. But
that's also not what we

1589
01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:15,570
do. Yeah, we deconstruct news
story. Yeah,

1590
01:37:15,570 --> 01:37:18,660
if it's in the news, then yeah,
then it'd be fun to talk about

1591
01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:24,540
it. But it really isn't. And nor
do I expect it to ever be Yeah,

1592
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:27,450
we're it's interesting. No one's
asked about our climate change

1593
01:37:27,450 --> 01:37:28,470
skepticism.

1594
01:37:28,710 --> 01:37:30,840
Not yet. I mean, it might be in
his notes because we're going to

1595
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:33,900
get to get through some of these
getting getting getting on with

1596
01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:41,220
the show here. Okay. Is from
Dean warm owl. He says, When

1597
01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:46,800
Adam nights producers, he uses
the phrase, I am very proud to

1598
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:52,620
announce the Knights of the K B.
What does KB stand for? Or mean?

1599
01:37:53,670 --> 01:37:55,350
I've never said that. I

1600
01:37:55,470 --> 01:37:56,910
don't remember it either.

1601
01:37:57,510 --> 01:38:04,200
I think what he's hearing is I
pronounced the K v. That's what

1602
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:08,820
I say. I hereby pronounce the k
d. So maybe he's hearing K

1603
01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:13,530
pronounce the K the k b Yes.
pronounced the K the Yes.

1604
01:38:13,890 --> 01:38:17,190
pronounced the K I don't think
is a real word. It's something I

1605
01:38:17,190 --> 01:38:22,080
picked up in the 80s and late
80s from Scott Shannon because

1606
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,380
he would say he would talk about
um your pronounced Decatur on

1607
01:38:25,380 --> 01:38:28,320
duty and it just kind of stuck
and I don't know I'd like

1608
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,830
pronounced to Kate stupid word
but it's for our official

1609
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:39,330
ceremony so it's it's it is Let
it be so written. Okay, V.

1610
01:38:39,660 --> 01:38:42,150
Now some people have taken
advantage of this show questions

1611
01:38:42,150 --> 01:38:44,790
moment. I'm going to read one of
them. I'm going to ask you the

1612
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:51,690
question. Why won't Seagulls Fly
over bays with questions this

1613
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:54,360
because they would be bagels

1614
01:38:54,480 --> 01:39:02,190
ah okay Are there any more
legitimate questions?

1615
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,110
Is plenty is it on the Twitter's

1616
01:39:04,650 --> 01:39:07,380
No no, I actually I just
retweeted to see if I can get

1617
01:39:07,380 --> 01:39:10,650
some more that's really not that
much. Maybe Maybe I have to look

1618
01:39:10,650 --> 01:39:12,300
at your

1619
01:39:13,650 --> 01:39:18,900
beard should go to us as well as
me. Okay, what Brian What

1620
01:39:18,930 --> 01:39:23,520
wallisch? What are the night
levels and what do they mean? Ag

1621
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:28,590
night can assign name but no
territory. What are the in show

1622
01:39:28,590 --> 01:39:32,970
donation levels? 50 100 gets
names and locations only as a

1623
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:36,690
good question. What are the best
ways to send money and a note if

1624
01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:40,800
you want to avoid Pay Pal fees?
Would this method also apply for

1625
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,790
donations by cheque? So the best
way is just drop a check in the

1626
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:52,830
mail with a note box 339 l
servido. California 94530. I'll

1627
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:58,830
repeat it. Box 339 l Cirino.
California 94530 And then you

1628
01:39:58,830 --> 01:40:03,750
could put it you put it You
know, send some, some bottle of

1629
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:06,330
wine. No, I don't do that they
Well, you can if you know how

1630
01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:11,400
you do it, but most people it
caught the night levels well go

1631
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:23,790
to divorce.org/peerage.htm which
amuses Adam. No, no,

1632
01:40:23,790 --> 01:40:27,840
no, it does Yes. And except it
needs to be kept htm.

1633
01:40:28,290 --> 01:40:29,370
No, it doesn't.

1634
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:31,110
It's not the way

1635
01:40:31,110 --> 01:40:33,660
I have it done i don't i the
cache may actually destroy it,

1636
01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:37,140
it might not work. Oh, here's
here's a good one. This one I

1637
01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:37,740
sent you.

1638
01:40:38,970 --> 01:40:42,240
You gotta do you want to explain
it? Or is it? Is it all evident

1639
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,200
on that one page?

1640
01:40:43,290 --> 01:40:46,200
The thing is on that one pages,
you've got all the levels, the

1641
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:47,340
levels, the executive

1642
01:40:47,340 --> 01:40:50,970
producers, associate director
producers and below 50s. I don't

1643
01:40:50,970 --> 01:40:51,270
think that's

1644
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:56,940
that's not what that's okay.
Devorah Dvorak, that org slash

1645
01:40:56,940 --> 01:40:59,460
and a explains a little bit of
the Executive Associate

1646
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,760
Executive Producer, producer
stuff, but what we have is at

1647
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,580
200 bucks, you get into
Associate Executive Producer at

1648
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:09,930
300, or 333 is what it's
supposed to be. You get a an

1649
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:12,450
executive producer ship, and
then you can write a note and we

1650
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:17,430
read the note. And you get to
use that on your LinkedIn.

1651
01:41:17,490 --> 01:41:19,800
That's the most that's the most
important elsewhere. I mean,

1652
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,040
this fish is a real, it's a
real, it's a real knighthood

1653
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:27,150
thing is a little more symbolic.
But you go yourself, sir,

1654
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:30,360
you're no less symbolic than the
British Queen gives out. That's

1655
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:30,720
what I

1656
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,410
like thinking. That's my thing
is no less than Bollington a

1657
01:41:34,410 --> 01:41:37,290
knighthood from the British
Empire. Right.

1658
01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:42,120
With our knighthood, you get a
cool ring and sealing wax. And

1659
01:41:42,419 --> 01:41:45,029
yeah, they don't give you
nothing. Oh, they gave you

1660
01:41:45,029 --> 01:41:47,489
something to hang around your
neck. Like you're gonna wear

1661
01:41:47,489 --> 01:41:48,299
that anywhere.

1662
01:41:48,780 --> 01:41:53,760
The ring now that's a usable
object. Yeah. Here's the

1663
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:59,100
question. Who is that dude void?
Zero. You guys keep talking

1664
01:41:59,100 --> 01:41:59,490
about

1665
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,060
dude, void? Zero? Yeah. Good
question guy.

1666
01:42:05,790 --> 01:42:09,660
It became very, when I was in
Los Angeles, and now we're

1667
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:15,780
talking 2013, I think it became
very expensive and very tedious

1668
01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:19,080
to manage the amount of
downloads that were being

1669
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:23,970
performed on our shows. And in I
would say expense was really the

1670
01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:28,890
number one thing like holy crap,
and get most leave and Mr. Oil

1671
01:42:28,890 --> 01:42:33,000
set up an infrastructure for us.
And they found this, I think

1672
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,960
it's called Oh, VH a really cost
effective way to set up kind of

1673
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:42,060
your own content distribution
network. And they were they were

1674
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:45,720
using that for their own stuff.
And they were hosting us. And

1675
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:50,610
over time, they went on to do
some other things. And then

1676
01:42:50,940 --> 01:42:55,710
voyage zero mark, who lives in
cloning in the Netherlands. He

1677
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:58,500
was already kind of a part of
the crew. And he said, Well, you

1678
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:00,870
know, I'd really like to take
this over. And I really like to

1679
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,140
set it up properly and get all
the right things and all the

1680
01:43:04,140 --> 01:43:07,560
right redundancy. And then
here's, here's what it'll cost.

1681
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,420
And we looked at it, we were
like, holy crap, that's very

1682
01:43:09,420 --> 01:43:13,320
cool. You want to do that. And
that didn't fit it fit within

1683
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,580
the budget of the show. And he's
been doing that and now he's had

1684
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:19,530
a couple other people come in
and out and help them throughout

1685
01:43:19,530 --> 01:43:24,060
the year sir. bemrose. Is, is
helping Erina is helping. This

1686
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:27,780
is a lot of professionals. These
are weapons grade IT

1687
01:43:27,780 --> 01:43:30,750
professionals real dudes named
Ben, and right.

1688
01:43:31,950 --> 01:43:34,500
Gonna say this, we have to
remember that when we started

1689
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:38,130
this show, we were doing this
for we're doing it on the me vio

1690
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:42,390
server infrastructure. And so it
wasn't costing us anything. And

1691
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:45,240
it was but that didn't last
forever. I could the company is

1692
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:48,360
not even there anymore. And
that's when we had to start

1693
01:43:48,480 --> 01:43:52,140
making these changes that Adam
took care of most of it with his

1694
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:57,480
suave, debonair way of way of
moving these things around. Good

1695
01:43:57,480 --> 01:43:57,990
work, Adam.

1696
01:43:58,019 --> 01:44:00,749
Yeah. Thanks, John. And I should
point out that John does

1697
01:44:00,779 --> 01:44:03,689
everything else when it comes to
administration of the show and

1698
01:44:03,689 --> 01:44:06,329
Eric the shill and Mimi, we need
to mention these,

1699
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:09,510
these good folks at buzzkill
Junior working for us. Right?

1700
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:13,380
That's right until he said,
screw this. I can make real

1701
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:15,600
money coding JavaScript, what am
I doing?

1702
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,730
So we have a question that
applies to Adam. I think it's an

1703
01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:25,320
interesting one. This is from
David bush. Why does Adam say he

1704
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,560
has Tourette's? I've never heard
any evidence of it.

1705
01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:35,160
Tourette's comes in many forms
my friend. Now I do have a mute

1706
01:44:35,250 --> 01:44:40,530
pedal. Specifically for this
reason, which I acquired only in

1707
01:44:40,530 --> 01:44:44,850
the last two years, I think. And
that was during a sniffing

1708
01:44:44,850 --> 01:44:49,230
episode. Yeah, where I just had
this incessant need just talking

1709
01:44:49,230 --> 01:44:51,600
about it makes me want to do it.
So I'm going to try and not do

1710
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,960
that.

1711
01:44:54,150 --> 01:44:55,710
I can assure you has Tourette's.

1712
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:59,310
Yeah, but it's mainly tics. It's
mainly tastes, tics.

1713
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,620
Most People that have tics have
Tourette's,

1714
01:45:01,650 --> 01:45:06,960
but often it manifests his way
in itself in very interesting

1715
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,770
ways. Thank God for the mute
pedal. Let me just tell you

1716
01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:16,080
that. But I can control it to
some degree. Certainly the

1717
01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:19,980
guttural stuff I got that I can.
That's why I never want to do

1718
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:22,980
television. I hate television,
because that's I can't do it

1719
01:45:22,980 --> 01:45:25,860
anymore. I can't even keep my
head still. As horrible.

1720
01:45:27,060 --> 01:45:29,820
As the second question, what is
M five M?

1721
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:36,810
Well, I think this stems from it
may stem from a whole

1722
01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:41,370
conversation about the boob
donation being 808, and hex, or

1723
01:45:41,670 --> 01:45:46,110
we're use a one instead of an
eye and a three instead of an E

1724
01:45:46,110 --> 01:45:50,700
and you use a five instead of an
S. So it's mainstream media.

1725
01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:54,270
Yes, M S, M, or M five M, which
has now become our thing and

1726
01:45:54,270 --> 01:45:56,190
never really caught on
surprisingly.

1727
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:02,430
Yes, people use it constantly.
Why can't you guys say SIS

1728
01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:10,350
admin. Isn't that dude named Ben
thing played out? Wow. I have no

1729
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:12,030
idea what he's trying to get out
there.

1730
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:18,810
Well, maybe. I see. I just had
to I had that clip dude named

1731
01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:23,160
Ben. From because it came from
the Senate, didn't it?

1732
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:27,540
Yes, it came from the Senate
with I think was Chafee.

1733
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,080
I think this is it. It's a
jingle

1734
01:46:31,980 --> 01:46:34,920
was Chaffee grilling somebody
and she couldn't come up with an

1735
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,390
answer. And she says, it's some
dude named Guy named Ben. And he

1736
01:46:39,390 --> 01:46:39,600
said,

1737
01:46:40,350 --> 01:46:43,110
he actually said it. It was
somebody named Ben. And then he

1738
01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:45,000
said, Why do some dude named
Ben?

1739
01:46:45,090 --> 01:46:47,400
Yes, that's right. That's
exactly what he did. What was

1740
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:47,640
her it

1741
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,960
was her name from it was
learner. Wasn't loading center.

1742
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,480
Yeah, I think she's the one that
said it wasn't it maybe

1743
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,110
could have been that's when all
the all the day all the data tax

1744
01:46:58,110 --> 01:47:02,910
data disappeared or something.
You know that she shouldn't be

1745
01:47:02,910 --> 01:47:07,470
in jail. Why does Adam shout to
the opening of the show?

1746
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,110
Oh, well, that's all part of it.
I mean, don't you here with

1747
01:47:10,110 --> 01:47:13,680
this. It's a weenie in the butt
moment. And I'm not really

1748
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,460
shouting, I'm tall. I'm jacked
up. Yeah. jacked up. And I'm

1749
01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:20,760
also timing and I'm back timing
what I'm saying into the so that

1750
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,120
it fits in the in the jingle.
And I'm wanting to have a good

1751
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,580
cue for John so that he knows
that you can come in and do his

1752
01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:31,680
Zephyr thing or whatever it is.
There's ever went by? Yeah, if

1753
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:33,360
it bothers you, fast forward.

1754
01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:38,040
John Tucker's as you said, the
word ice though quite a bit.

1755
01:47:38,070 --> 01:47:39,510
What is an ISO?

1756
01:47:39,810 --> 01:47:42,210
Another great question. A good
question. Not a great question.

1757
01:47:42,210 --> 01:47:44,880
A good question. I so

1758
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:49,050
I so yeah, I've seen it once
before. But yeah, he's isolated.

1759
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:49,800
But isolated.

1760
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:54,420
Yeah. Typically, an ISO in
broadcast is either a microphone

1761
01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:58,440
or a camera, which is recording
separately from the main signal

1762
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:01,860
from the main program, so that
you can later take bits out of

1763
01:48:01,860 --> 01:48:06,450
that and use that separately and
ISO ISO just a abbreviation of

1764
01:48:06,450 --> 01:48:09,330
isolated? Yeah.

1765
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:15,060
Just from Charles Charles couch.
How many hours a day or week do

1766
01:48:15,060 --> 01:48:18,990
you guys spend watching news or
other M five M? There you go. M

1767
01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:21,270
five M broadcasts. All right,
you

1768
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:21,930
go first.

1769
01:48:23,490 --> 01:48:26,100
Well, add this to it. So we can
answer both at the same time

1770
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:28,950
other than M five M what sources
do you guys use most frequently

1771
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:31,860
for research, including public
commentary or public sentiment?

1772
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:40,110
All right, I'll go first. We all
I watch television, mostly to

1773
01:48:40,110 --> 01:48:43,200
get content, which annoys
everybody in the family when

1774
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:47,370
they want to watch something
else. Luckily, nobody likes TV.

1775
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,200
Probably, I don't know, three or
four hours a day every day, at

1776
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:55,680
least sometimes longer. If I get
caught up in something on C

1777
01:48:55,680 --> 01:49:00,780
span, which is where you can get
caught up in something. I'm

1778
01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:03,390
guessing it's about right three
or four hours a day. And then

1779
01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:05,490
I'll pick up stuff from the
internet to woods because

1780
01:49:05,490 --> 01:49:09,330
there's a lot of plays that just
play for all practical purposes.

1781
01:49:09,330 --> 01:49:10,740
Play clips, right.

1782
01:49:11,790 --> 01:49:16,770
I watched much less television
than you do, I think. But I have

1783
01:49:16,770 --> 01:49:20,550
all day the entire day. I'm
either listening to I'm

1784
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:29,940
switching between CNBC CNN, Fox,
Fox Business, MSNBC, rarely do I

1785
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,430
listen, that's just listening.
I'm just listening to it and

1786
01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:35,190
I'll pick stuff up. And I know
that I can then go back later

1787
01:49:35,190 --> 01:49:38,550
and find find it online, which
is where I have a whole system

1788
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:44,880
for recording clips, which is
pretty easy. I subscribe to I

1789
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:52,140
think last count probably 4200
RSS feeds, which I've built up

1790
01:49:52,140 --> 01:49:55,230
throughout the years and it's
all in proprietary Well, it's an

1791
01:49:55,230 --> 01:49:58,680
open source proprietary system,
the freedom controller, and

1792
01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:01,440
that's all part of the show.
notes, which, you know, really,

1793
01:50:01,470 --> 01:50:05,580
it flows very nicely. So stories
are not only aggregated, but if

1794
01:50:05,580 --> 01:50:08,580
I want to keep that story and
put it into the show notes or

1795
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:14,040
use it for the show, then it
creates an offline version. And

1796
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:17,970
there's a whole bunch of cool
things about it. Then on show

1797
01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:24,180
days, I subscribe to a number of
YouTube channels. And I'll look

1798
01:50:24,180 --> 01:50:27,300
at those and see if there's
anything there that I like. or

1799
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:30,240
something that I made a note
about. I'm continuously sending

1800
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,060
notes to myself and email that
I've tried many other ways, but

1801
01:50:33,060 --> 01:50:35,550
just works best for me, I just
send a note to myself in email,

1802
01:50:35,550 --> 01:50:38,460
because I can do it anywhere I
am any device, it's I can do it.

1803
01:50:39,150 --> 01:50:41,850
And then you know, so the
morning of the show, I'm up

1804
01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:47,730
probably quarter six, my time.
And I'll start collecting all

1805
01:50:47,730 --> 01:50:51,480
those, seeing what those stories
were about. Maybe I've already

1806
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:55,410
written some stuff down. But
also, I get so much from the

1807
01:50:55,410 --> 01:51:00,090
producers. I mean, there's a lot
that comes in. And a lot of it

1808
01:51:00,090 --> 01:51:03,270
is unusable. But still, someone
sends me something, I'm gonna go

1809
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:06,900
take a look at it. So there's a
lot that I get from there. So

1810
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:09,750
I'm really consumed by it all
the time. And then Tina, the

1811
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:12,900
keeper, she comes home and she's
got things that I haven't even

1812
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:16,110
heard of. She's got a whole
different source of stuff. And

1813
01:51:16,110 --> 01:51:20,730
she's feeding me articles. It's
a lifestyle. It's not, it's not,

1814
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,780
to me, it's not like number of
hours. It's what I do. It's all

1815
01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:25,380
the time.

1816
01:51:26,099 --> 01:51:30,869
Sure. Charles finishes up with
this. Last question is a group

1817
01:51:30,869 --> 01:51:35,429
of mirror. What should I buy my
wife for Christmas? Day mode?

1818
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:36,720
Of course. That's odd. Yes, of

1819
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:43,740
course. Byron, Dane. You go get
another question. We get a lot

1820
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:46,200
of people wondered about the M
five M thing. Interesting,

1821
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:46,980
interesting, interesting.

1822
01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:50,310
And yet it's so well adopted,
but so many. They're just doing

1823
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:52,260
it. Yeah, whatever. Those guys
are doing it.

1824
01:51:52,469 --> 01:51:55,259
And you got What does double
nickels on the dime mean, and

1825
01:51:55,259 --> 01:51:59,099
what's its origin? My impression
is that it's an amount of money,

1826
01:51:59,189 --> 01:52:02,339
but I could never come up with
the actual value it represents.

1827
01:52:03,539 --> 01:52:07,199
All right. Well, that was a one
of our again, one of our

1828
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:07,979
producers

1829
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:12,630
was I believe this to be
Sergeant Fred Castaneda. Okay,

1830
01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:17,730
Sergeant Fred, who I emailed
with just the other day, because

1831
01:52:17,730 --> 01:52:19,980
I hadn't heard from on the show.
And he was sick for a really

1832
01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:23,400
long time. He was a Vietnam vet,
and all kinds of Agent Orange

1833
01:52:23,460 --> 01:52:27,270
related issues that his mom
wasn't doing. It's all kinds of

1834
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:30,900
crap going on his life. But I
think he started off. In fact,

1835
01:52:30,900 --> 01:52:36,120
he often would show up if I was
somewhere in Texas, even not

1836
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,030
just Austin. But you know, I
think we were in Dallas, and he

1837
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:42,630
showed up and he would have
double nickels on the dime. And

1838
01:52:42,630 --> 01:52:51,120
that's $55.10. And he would have
$55 in in paper, and then 10

1839
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:57,090
cents taped to it scotch taped.
And I mean, other than that, and

1840
01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:01,500
some other ones aren't there
some other ones. There's double

1841
01:53:01,500 --> 01:53:02,400
nickels on the dime.

1842
01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:05,190
Well, besides boobs and small
boobs, there was a lot of things

1843
01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:07,770
that did but none of them really
caught on like double nickels on

1844
01:53:07,770 --> 01:53:11,940
the dime. I mean, there's yeah,
there's probably about 20 of

1845
01:53:11,940 --> 01:53:13,200
them. But that's the only one
there were

1846
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,480
even I mean, there was something
that was comparable to like

1847
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:16,470
double nickels.

1848
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:18,810
Yeah, I know.

1849
01:53:19,260 --> 01:53:24,270
Again, this is stuff to me is
magical. When people come up

1850
01:53:24,270 --> 01:53:29,430
with these ideas numerology is
I'm, in my later life, I've

1851
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:33,360
become somewhat obsessed with
numerology and mathematics. And

1852
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,900
the stuff that catches on with
people. It's, it's something

1853
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,650
profound. I don't know exactly
how it works. But people really

1854
01:53:40,650 --> 01:53:43,560
like certain numbers that feels
good. They're drawn to them.

1855
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,690
Yeah, we had a long streak, but
6969

1856
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,380
Yeah, what am we and we stopped.
Why did we stopped when we

1857
01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:53,160
didn't have one?

1858
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:56,160
We said, yeah, no, the idea was
we're gonna go as long as we

1859
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:59,880
can. And then finally, the woman
who came up with the idea Carrie

1860
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:05,640
Shern. overboard. She went
overboard, and we haven't heard

1861
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,460
from her and she but she's the
one who came up with the idea.

1862
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:10,590
Because she was setting

1863
01:54:10,890 --> 01:54:13,350
she was doing she was doing a
marathon and

1864
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:17,220
she had no agenda stitch to her
ass. And

1865
01:54:17,340 --> 01:54:18,600
sometimes I miss her

1866
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:22,350
shape to she's just perfect.
Yes. And she came up with this

1867
01:54:22,350 --> 01:54:25,290
idea. And then we said, well, we
just keep doing we play the

1868
01:54:25,290 --> 01:54:29,400
jingle or intro is like a
segment. Yeah. And until until

1869
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:33,720
nobody gave him one day. About a
year into it took about a year.

1870
01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:38,550
Nobody gave 6969 They tried to
restart it, but we refused. And

1871
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,590
now that was done is dead. It's
over. It's gone. Yeah, not to be

1872
01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:44,370
resurrected.

1873
01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:49,980
Dale asks, he just wants to know
what mic you're using and

1874
01:54:49,980 --> 01:54:50,910
headphones.

1875
01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,540
Well, we know your headphones.
How about your mic?

1876
01:54:55,530 --> 01:54:58,680
I'm using a right now. I use a
bunch of mics. I've changed

1877
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:06,210
mics. I Like the, the Heil PR 40
Generally speaking, but right

1878
01:55:06,210 --> 01:55:10,800
now I'm using a condenser mic.
That is a I think it's a CA D

1879
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:15,930
CAD. And I think the model is
the 9000 or the 3000. Which is

1880
01:55:16,260 --> 01:55:17,340
the Chinese mic.

1881
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:20,610
Yep. You know, but you're you're
really into microphones and

1882
01:55:20,610 --> 01:55:24,480
building your own microphones
and getting elements from China

1883
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:25,500
and doing stuff.

1884
01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:30,390
Yeah, well, I'm not that nuts.
But yeah, I have a collection

1885
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:32,550
and it's not a big collection. I
have it. I know. I'm friend of

1886
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:36,510
mine. He used to work at Tech TV
as a real mic collector. And

1887
01:55:36,510 --> 01:55:40,080
he's got everything imaginable.
It's just like, he's gotten the

1888
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,340
lemons and all the Sennheiser
old ones from the 40s I kind of

1889
01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:46,320
think nice ribbon mics.

1890
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:53,250
So I'm using the electro voice.
R e 320. Which I'd like to tell

1891
01:55:53,250 --> 01:55:57,900
you really using the road I was
using the RODE Procaster until

1892
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:03,360
gene surging the Duke of Texas
he said you know try this mic

1893
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,470
out, and I never gave it back to
him. I said screw that. I bought

1894
01:56:07,470 --> 01:56:09,870
a new one. And since I didn't
really I didn't want to risk

1895
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,510
buying the same model but in
sounding different.

1896
01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:16,590
What is what is jeans? What was
it Evie? What

1897
01:56:17,370 --> 01:56:21,780
it's the it's electro voice
isn't it? Yeah. Electro voice.

1898
01:56:21,810 --> 01:56:29,550
Yeah, but it's the RT Romeo
echo. 320. Now headphones. I'm

1899
01:56:29,550 --> 01:56:33,720
very particular about my
headphones. Because I've been

1900
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:37,770
wearing headphones. I think I've
been wearing headphones since I

1901
01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:43,830
was 14. And looking at my volume
knob. I have about half a notch

1902
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:49,740
left. This is not a good thing
by the way. No, that's not a

1903
01:56:49,740 --> 01:56:55,140
good movie. I used to be real
poor I want over the year. I

1904
01:56:55,140 --> 01:56:59,430
want them to close I want them
to fit snugly I want you can't

1905
01:56:59,430 --> 01:57:03,780
have anything leaking. Because
see I can put my cans. These

1906
01:57:03,780 --> 01:57:08,820
aren't that big actually this is
the Sony MDR 7506 professional

1907
01:57:09,540 --> 01:57:12,660
and from time to time you can
get a deal through Amazon

1908
01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:18,780
they'll sell them for like 90
bucks or something I have three

1909
01:57:18,780 --> 01:57:21,510
pairs of them. I do wear them
out after a while

1910
01:57:23,700 --> 01:57:24,960
but do your ears sweat

1911
01:57:25,980 --> 01:57:30,510
know the cables get all frayed
and and yeah, they got a lot of

1912
01:57:30,510 --> 01:57:33,600
use. They're on they're off.
They're hanging in the fall and

1913
01:57:33,930 --> 01:57:37,500
eventually they they do break
after a while but you wanted to

1914
01:57:37,500 --> 01:57:41,190
get the it's the 75 or six
professional. Anything else is

1915
01:57:41,190 --> 01:57:44,010
not a good reference or they
have too much low end and you

1916
01:57:44,010 --> 01:57:46,770
can get fooled by that. If you
really care.

1917
01:57:47,970 --> 01:57:53,760
Tim Kilkenny he says I'm
familiar with Mike Singletary is

1918
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,960
a legendary rant about hitting
people in the mouse, but never

1919
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,290
figured out how it became the
official formula for the show.

1920
01:58:01,890 --> 01:58:05,760
I've been listening since 2013.
I've never heard the original of

1921
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,930
the of this rage. Praise
mentioned. Thanks for all you

1922
01:58:09,930 --> 01:58:11,490
do. I was this is one of those.

1923
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:19,920
I'll play this just so so you
can hear it. Our formula is

1924
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:28,530
this. We go out with people in
the mouth. I'm pretty sure

1925
01:58:28,530 --> 01:58:31,680
someone sent that to me pre
mixed like that. And I had no

1926
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:33,240
idea what it was. I sent it

1927
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,180
to you. Are you sure you sent it
to me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because

1928
01:58:36,180 --> 01:58:39,390
it was one of my favorite. It
was a because I they played it

1929
01:58:39,390 --> 01:58:40,560
as a local commercial.

1930
01:58:41,309 --> 01:58:43,799
I remember you telling me what
it was about. I didn't realize

1931
01:58:43,799 --> 01:58:46,409
you had sent it to me. So
there's a lot there's a lot of

1932
01:58:46,409 --> 01:58:47,399
stuff we don't remember.

1933
01:58:48,210 --> 01:58:50,610
Well, this is a local
commercial, they played here to

1934
01:58:50,610 --> 01:58:53,970
get fan just for the 40 Niners
to go to the games during single

1935
01:58:53,970 --> 01:58:59,130
Terry's era when he was the
coach. And what had happened is

1936
01:58:59,130 --> 01:59:02,550
I sent it to you and then we
played it once we ended that and

1937
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:05,100
that's kind of what evolved I
think the hitting in the mouth

1938
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:09,060
and then for some reason I'm not
sure why but you adopted it. You

1939
01:59:09,150 --> 01:59:13,050
took it and started playing it
every show at that one moment

1940
01:59:13,050 --> 01:59:16,770
like it like one of your
superstitious moments. Well,

1941
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:22,860
then, yeah. And then you added
out of the blue. You added the

1942
01:59:22,890 --> 01:59:26,130
the kicker there's a kicker on
that thing now.

1943
01:59:36,270 --> 01:59:40,260
And here's the nutty thing. So
these are two clips. And I

1944
01:59:40,260 --> 01:59:45,600
always play them the same way.
And logic would dictate that I

1945
01:59:45,630 --> 01:59:49,950
kind of mix that into one clip.
I've just been doing that for so

1946
01:59:49,950 --> 01:59:56,520
long. I started one Yeah. And
usually I play well. In between

1947
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:57,960
the little dip there at the end.

1948
01:59:58,860 --> 02:00:03,030
Well this A particular
combination of another thing you

1949
02:00:03,030 --> 02:00:06,720
did and just stayed with it I
never said anything one way or

1950
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:12,540
the other I like it. But the it
just did those two clips

1951
02:00:12,540 --> 02:00:15,690
together was actually a moment
of genius because they really

1952
02:00:15,690 --> 02:00:20,640
sound like a clip. Yeah. Like a
whole thing. It's not like two

1953
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:23,640
things that you've combined
because it's got the same tone

1954
02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:28,260
to it. And just stuck. And I it
was. I can tell you

1955
02:00:28,290 --> 02:00:31,410
approximately when this came to
be because it was last season of

1956
02:00:31,410 --> 02:00:37,710
Mike Singletary in San Francisco
and by doing a quick search of

1957
02:00:37,740 --> 02:00:41,670
my mike Singletary. Like
Singletary.

1958
02:00:45,810 --> 02:00:48,240
I have no idea who Mike single
Oh, he's the coach.

1959
02:00:48,750 --> 02:00:53,250
Yeah, he's the coach. He's a
tough guy. Tough guy. Tough guy.

1960
02:00:53,310 --> 02:00:56,610
And he was with the Niners from
let's use them looking at his

1961
02:00:56,610 --> 02:01:03,120
wiki page. Career history, San
Francisco 40 Niners from 2000

1962
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:07,020
Not always the head coach from
nine to teach was there for two

1963
02:01:07,020 --> 02:01:11,880
seasons. At door three, nine?
No, it's just nine and 10. So he

1964
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:15,510
just had to be done probably in
that era of show 100.

1965
02:01:16,019 --> 02:01:17,339
Really not long ago.

1966
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,130
It's long time ago. That's why
you don't remember any of it.

1967
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:25,650
Because it was really just too
long ago. I was he was your bank

1968
02:01:25,650 --> 02:01:33,750
to this thing. That's what was
going on. So he was he was, you

1969
02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:36,960
know, he didn't do it. He was a
lousy coach. But he was a great

1970
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:40,380
recruiter. He they put together
this fabulous team that when the

1971
02:01:40,380 --> 02:01:44,250
next coach came along, they
could do you know, they had all

1972
02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:46,290
these great players, so it
didn't take much. And then of

1973
02:01:46,290 --> 02:01:49,230
course, I've noticed this in
football and sports and

1974
02:01:49,230 --> 02:01:53,640
business. You can put together a
great team, but you can't manage

1975
02:01:53,640 --> 02:01:56,070
it well. But the next guy that
comes along because you're such

1976
02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:59,010
a lousy manager, everyone looks
up to the new guy, right? And

1977
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:01,410
but he's got all this stuff in
front of him because he's again,

1978
02:02:01,410 --> 02:02:05,610
just kick ass. And when the new
guy starts putting his guys in,

1979
02:02:05,910 --> 02:02:09,180
the team falls apart again. I've
seen this over and over and over

1980
02:02:09,180 --> 02:02:12,600
again is what happened to the
40. Niners right. Anyway. Yeah,

1981
02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:16,650
so that's been around a

1982
02:02:16,679 --> 02:02:21,689
question. Have you ever had any
interesting theories regarding

1983
02:02:21,689 --> 02:02:25,709
space over the years asks smile
for camera on Twitter?

1984
02:02:28,230 --> 02:02:31,860
Space? Yeah. Like what? Well,

1985
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:38,190
there's Moon bases Israeli one
stone, space. Wow. Okay. And

1986
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:42,480
space. I'm a big fan of a big
fan of the space elevator.

1987
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:44,580
Yeah, that's a good one.

1988
02:02:45,509 --> 02:02:49,979
We don't do that too much
anymore. Now. Yeah. We don't

1989
02:02:49,979 --> 02:02:52,619
have time for his jokey. We
don't have time for it, even

1990
02:02:52,619 --> 02:02:56,519
though I truly know about the
Israeli Moon bases.

1991
02:02:58,350 --> 02:03:02,400
Yeah. To the point that you were
denying that there was Railay

1992
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,710
for a while until somebody
finally caught the clip.

1993
02:03:05,220 --> 02:03:08,760
I'd forgotten. Yes, but they are
Israeli. Yeah.

1994
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:15,540
Another here's another question,
but f m 5am. I think it is.

1995
02:03:15,780 --> 02:03:19,140
John, where's your keyboard?
Great question. I think I

1996
02:03:19,140 --> 02:03:22,980
figured out my own already. This
says Dave Duncan, but you you've

1997
02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:26,850
been saying in J and K a lot
after donation notes. Okay. And

1998
02:03:26,850 --> 02:03:29,310
I had no idea what this one
there is. You probably should

1999
02:03:29,310 --> 02:03:32,730
listen to the donation segment.
Yes. Because there's a lot of

2000
02:03:32,730 --> 02:03:37,620
stuff that shows up in there
that becomes lydney Based on the

2001
02:03:37,620 --> 02:03:39,570
hours of content. I think I
figured out what it means. No

2002
02:03:39,570 --> 02:03:42,960
jingles no comm karma? Yes.
Maybe I missed the introduction

2003
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:48,120
of that abbreviation. says maybe
we should put a glossary

2004
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:48,540
together.

2005
02:03:48,570 --> 02:03:53,220
What's interesting is no one has
asked about the origin of karma.

2006
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:56,820
They haven't.

2007
02:03:57,570 --> 02:04:00,180
I'm gonna ask you right. Now.
When did we start doing that?

2008
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:08,940
Well, that wasn't us. Again,
this was a suggestion by we, I

2009
02:04:08,940 --> 02:04:13,770
think somebody suggested it or
are we? This one that I have to

2010
02:04:13,770 --> 02:04:16,350
research again? I'd be this will
be in the next show, I guess.

2011
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:19,680
Okay, one of the not the next
show we're doing in this linear

2012
02:04:19,770 --> 02:04:24,120
algebra, the next version of 200
point x. Yes. I do remember

2013
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:27,510
this. It didn't really catch on
until someone sent us the karma

2014
02:04:27,510 --> 02:04:28,980
jingle which is this.

2015
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:32,760
You've got karma.

2016
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,800
And there's a question about
who's the voice in that thing?

2017
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:41,820
And I think it's been revealed a
couple of times, but we keep

2018
02:04:41,820 --> 02:04:43,620
forgetting Donnie. No, she does

2019
02:04:43,650 --> 02:04:47,610
the show. I don't think so I
forgotten to remember

2020
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:52,830
and and that jingle seems to
have some magical effect,

2021
02:04:53,310 --> 02:04:57,780
imagined or otherwise. And once
it started, we started using it.

2022
02:04:57,780 --> 02:05:00,090
We started getting feedback
there. I got a job just out Have

2023
02:05:00,090 --> 02:05:02,550
you played the jingle? And the
next thing? You know, we're

2024
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:03,930
doing it all the time. Yeah, no.

2025
02:05:03,930 --> 02:05:07,470
And then it was I need jobs,
karma. And again, I don't know

2026
02:05:07,470 --> 02:05:09,000
where this show does jobs,

2027
02:05:09,150 --> 02:05:13,380
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote
for jobs.

2028
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:16,380
Word showed up. Well, I

2029
02:05:16,380 --> 02:05:17,910
started. Go ahead.

2030
02:05:18,059 --> 02:05:22,319
I developed that clip because we
had play we had been ridiculing

2031
02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:26,039
Pelosi with his job, his job,
his job, his thing, and I found

2032
02:05:26,039 --> 02:05:29,729
a clip of the little kid
screaming yay. And I put it

2033
02:05:29,729 --> 02:05:32,609
together perfect. I thought it
was hilarious. I still think

2034
02:05:32,609 --> 02:05:36,809
it's hilarious. It is funny,
because it's just weird. And so

2035
02:05:36,809 --> 02:05:40,979
that began the jobs, then you
attached it to jobs, karma,

2036
02:05:40,979 --> 02:05:43,559
because somebody, we were given
karma away for all kinds of

2037
02:05:43,559 --> 02:05:47,909
stuff. But then you decided to
make that special karma with a

2038
02:05:47,999 --> 02:05:50,969
with a jingle. And now we've got
like three or four versions of

2039
02:05:50,969 --> 02:05:56,579
it. Yes. Testing. And very tough
one, that's a tough one to get

2040
02:05:56,579 --> 02:05:57,299
to the bottom of.

2041
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:01,530
But it does, as you said,
imagined or not, it does seem to

2042
02:06:01,530 --> 02:06:04,590
do something for people, how
many times we get a note saying

2043
02:06:04,620 --> 02:06:08,430
oh, I asked for jobs, karma got
a job. And then we got the F

2044
02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:11,580
cancer karma, all this stuff.
Now, I don't think you've cured

2045
02:06:11,610 --> 02:06:14,670
cancer, but it certainly makes
people feel better. And I think

2046
02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:18,540
there is something about the
power of people hearing

2047
02:06:18,540 --> 02:06:22,410
something and I don't know,
there's there's something to it,

2048
02:06:22,710 --> 02:06:26,910
as you said imagined or not, I
tend to err on the side of

2049
02:06:26,940 --> 02:06:28,320
there's something to it for
real.

2050
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:36,120
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to
argue the point. See what else

2051
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:40,020
we got? Just, you know how much
time we we probably out of time,

2052
02:06:40,020 --> 02:06:41,640
so we're not gonna get to a lot
of this stuff. Let's

2053
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:45,180
just do a couple more. Yeah, we
are. We are getting up there.

2054
02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:50,100
We're done. Couple more. Okay.
Let me try. Chris Cochran. See

2055
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:55,320
if he's got anything. Just all
he's got to do actually is more

2056
02:06:55,320 --> 02:06:59,130
of an interesting point about
are the opens. Yes. Does

2057
02:06:59,130 --> 02:07:02,610
MailChimp count opens on an
iPhone, they better? And they

2058
02:07:02,610 --> 02:07:05,640
do. Because most of that I think
is like 70% of the people that

2059
02:07:06,060 --> 02:07:07,200
nowadays, you know,

2060
02:07:07,230 --> 02:07:11,520
that's nice. We didn't really
talk about we didn't really talk

2061
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,890
about the newsletter, which is I
think an important part of our

2062
02:07:13,890 --> 02:07:14,430
model.

2063
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:17,190
Yeah, no one really asked about
the news. I'm asking you

2064
02:07:17,190 --> 02:07:19,980
about the newsletter. It's it's
something you do twice a week

2065
02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:23,820
with the it'll take a lot of
effort. You don't just whip up a

2066
02:07:23,820 --> 02:07:27,900
newsletter. Sometimes I do. No,
you don't.

2067
02:07:28,650 --> 02:07:32,520
But the newsletter it came about
because

2068
02:07:33,420 --> 02:07:35,850
well, it's important that we
need to remind people what's

2069
02:07:35,850 --> 02:07:37,770
coming up, we got to show and,

2070
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:42,120
and I mentioned something that
the other podcasters don't ever

2071
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:49,320
think about this for you guys.
You're invested in your podcast,

2072
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:51,270
you're doing it daily, you're
doing it weekly, whatever you're

2073
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:56,430
doing, occasionally, nobody else
but you is thinking about this

2074
02:07:56,430 --> 02:08:00,900
podcast, they will forget about
it, they may enjoy the podcast,

2075
02:08:00,900 --> 02:08:03,780
you may think it's fabulous.
They may send you money, they

2076
02:08:03,780 --> 02:08:07,140
may buy products, they may use
your codes, but they're not

2077
02:08:07,230 --> 02:08:10,290
thinking about it. They're not
like when Tuesday morning comes

2078
02:08:10,290 --> 02:08:14,700
around in Europe, your podcast
is not on their mind. So they

2079
02:08:14,700 --> 02:08:18,540
really do need to be reminded
that you exist. And not just

2080
02:08:18,540 --> 02:08:22,080
once in a while they have to be
routinely reminded that you

2081
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:26,820
exist. Now I knew this. But I
didn't do the newsletter until I

2082
02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:29,610
don't know two or three or four
years into the donations thing.

2083
02:08:29,610 --> 02:08:31,830
And I just started doing a once
a week newsletter, I knew it

2084
02:08:31,830 --> 02:08:37,020
would it did Jack up donations.
Not always but it did enough so

2085
02:08:37,020 --> 02:08:38,850
that you had to do the
newsletter because once you see

2086
02:08:38,850 --> 02:08:42,300
the difference between the your
income with the newsletter,

2087
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,310
without the newsletter, it's
obvious you should have to do

2088
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:46,290
this damn newsletter because
people just don't want they're

2089
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:49,530
not thinking about you as you're
not the most important thing in

2090
02:08:49,530 --> 02:08:53,610
most people's lives. And then at
the point at where I was was now

2091
02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:58,050
I felt I could do twice a week.
And I know if I did a third

2092
02:08:58,050 --> 02:09:01,200
newsletter a week, you would
probably help too. But that's

2093
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:07,560
the reason is to keep people is
keep you in their thoughts. It

2094
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:08,760
has to be done. But like

2095
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:11,340
everything we do, it's
entertaining. You try to put

2096
02:09:11,340 --> 02:09:14,010
some of them nice spin too. I
try to make it funny. You do

2097
02:09:14,010 --> 02:09:17,640
things that I don't think and I
don't think any other broadcast

2098
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:23,640
organization would put together
a product like you do.

2099
02:09:25,980 --> 02:09:27,660
No, because he gets fired.

2100
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:31,860
Yeah. Why is that? Why did
people get fired over things

2101
02:09:31,860 --> 02:09:38,820
that are clearly successful?
It's very puzzling to me. It's a

2102
02:09:38,820 --> 02:09:41,820
fact. It's the puritanical
nature of broadcast.

2103
02:09:41,970 --> 02:09:44,160
No, it's the it's the
incompetent nature of

2104
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:47,460
broadcasting executives. There
you go, is the execs you're

2105
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:51,840
hired as suits, they're hired
for a job and they you know,

2106
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:54,870
everything reflects them. So
something went styles with some

2107
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:58,530
bad version of the newsletter.
You know, some of you put the

2108
02:09:58,530 --> 02:10:01,320
wrong cuss word in there or
something. as offensive or

2109
02:10:01,470 --> 02:10:03,150
somebody came back, they don't
come back and

2110
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:07,080
worse, the advertisers start
complaining.

2111
02:10:07,590 --> 02:10:09,210
Yeah, well, that's what it
always

2112
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:13,230
is. That's what it is. We don't
want to piss off the advertisers

2113
02:10:13,230 --> 02:10:17,070
who are God in mainstream and in
all commercial

2114
02:10:18,210 --> 02:10:22,050
broadcast. Couple more quick
questions. James abule. What are

2115
02:10:22,050 --> 02:10:27,150
the dude's name Ben? We thought
everyone knew but it's a it's a

2116
02:10:27,180 --> 02:10:29,160
computer sis up sysadmin.

2117
02:10:29,519 --> 02:10:30,479
Here I got it. I

2118
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,640
think this is the clip. It is
the closest the Treasury

2119
02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:35,880
Department Inspector General has
come to acknowledging potential

2120
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:38,460
criminal wrongdoing and the
lowest learner affair.

2121
02:10:38,610 --> 02:10:42,300
Are you investigating any
potential criminal activity? The

2122
02:10:42,330 --> 02:10:45,150
entire matter continues to be
under active investigation. Yes,

2123
02:10:45,150 --> 02:10:49,230
sir. For potential criminal
activity. Yes. Event

2124
02:10:49,230 --> 02:10:52,170
revelation during a rare late
night hearing in which the IG

2125
02:10:52,170 --> 02:10:55,710
disclosed his office has
obtained a 32,000 Lois Lerner

2126
02:10:55,710 --> 02:10:59,400
emails from backup tapes stored
at the IRS as Martinsburg, West

2127
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:02,640
Virginia facility. IRS officials
have maintained that the emails

2128
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,490
were gone, destroyed in a hard
drive crash.

2129
02:11:05,700 --> 02:11:08,490
I'm advised the actual hard
drive after it was determined

2130
02:11:08,490 --> 02:11:11,400
that it was dysfunctional and
that with experts no emails

2131
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,610
could be retrieved was recycled
and destroyed in the normal

2132
02:11:14,610 --> 02:11:15,360
process. Last

2133
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,720
night's testimony suggests the
IRS made a less than vigorous

2134
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:21,570
attempt to track down the
emails. And then when

2135
02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:24,420
you go talk to the IT people who
are there in charge of them.

2136
02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:28,440
They told you that they were
never even asked for them. Is

2137
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:29,970
that correct? That's correct.

2138
02:11:30,090 --> 02:11:32,850
Oh, crap. It's not on that clip.
Gosh,

2139
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:36,480
no, that's a totally different
clip I never heard before. Oh,

2140
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,420
man, I can't get learner's got
something to learn or she's the

2141
02:11:39,420 --> 02:11:41,370
one who said that's what they
had in the beginning of that

2142
02:11:41,370 --> 02:11:44,190
clip about learner. How this
Yeah, the minute Kinder Well,

2143
02:11:44,190 --> 02:11:44,370
now

2144
02:11:44,370 --> 02:11:46,170
the missing clip?

2145
02:11:47,010 --> 02:11:50,880
Yeah, it's there. You got it
somewhere. Let me get to Rebecca

2146
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:54,930
sharpies question. What is the
email situation? What is the

2147
02:11:54,930 --> 02:11:59,010
proper address to send emails to
the no agenda show for donation

2148
02:11:59,010 --> 02:12:02,940
notes? Well, if it's a donation,
it should be your note should be

2149
02:12:02,940 --> 02:12:07,890
in the Pay Pal. Box, which is
offered to you after you click

2150
02:12:07,890 --> 02:12:11,430
on the button. You go to a
second page and there's a box

2151
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:16,080
there says or even on the first
page, it says note to do vendor

2152
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:17,280
or something like that. And more

2153
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:21,540
important than this is best done
on a computer. Because I think

2154
02:12:21,540 --> 02:12:24,570
there's a different experiences
that pop up on mobile phones.

2155
02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:29,430
Maybe Sorry, I'm saying Yeah,
maybe. But there's a box.

2156
02:12:30,330 --> 02:12:33,240
But she she also asked and did
you just send it to no agenda

2157
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:36,900
show@dvorak.org for anything
else, but you could get lost.

2158
02:12:36,900 --> 02:12:39,690
That's the problem. Now, where
do you send top secret

2159
02:12:39,690 --> 02:12:46,260
information? That is, far as I
know, it's sent to Adams using

2160
02:12:46,260 --> 02:12:48,120
his PGP keys, right?

2161
02:12:48,180 --> 02:12:52,380
Pub key.curry.com. And that is
and that works. And I'm very

2162
02:12:52,380 --> 02:12:58,200
careful with what people send me
on my own email server and

2163
02:12:59,430 --> 02:13:02,730
anonymity is a short if you send
it to me and specify that

2164
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,020
he says the email situation is
confusing, a confusing mess and

2165
02:13:10,020 --> 02:13:12,390
needs a formal guide. We'd need
a formal guide for a lot of

2166
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:15,360
stuff. I think the glossary
would be another good example.

2167
02:13:15,690 --> 02:13:19,470
So people get a clue. I I'll
tell you this. I've been working

2168
02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:26,310
on a fac o on FAQ for about a
year. And I keep forgetting I'm

2169
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:26,970
working on.

2170
02:13:30,450 --> 02:13:33,180
Okay, do you want me to put it
on the list and remind you from

2171
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:33,930
time to time?

2172
02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:37,290
And it might that'd be a bad
idea. Okay, Jason rice, I

2173
02:13:37,290 --> 02:13:40,020
switched over to my own email
server for your mailings and

2174
02:13:40,020 --> 02:13:44,970
haven't had an issue received
since then. Oh, good. Yeah,

2175
02:13:44,970 --> 02:13:47,430
well, that means it's not
working at all using some sort

2176
02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:51,420
of blocking or blacklist and
we're on the list. I guess what?

2177
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I

2178
02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:55,470
wonder what he set up. Yeah.
It's not working. Yeah, cuz

2179
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MailChimp. They they're pretty
good. They have. They have all

2180
02:13:58,980 --> 02:14:02,370
the authority and they paid all
the all the shysters. They're

2181
02:14:02,370 --> 02:14:05,910
vague to get delivered. So
usually it should come in

2182
02:14:10,020 --> 02:14:13,260
Jim Buell says, Is there any
reason you attach so much

2183
02:14:13,260 --> 02:14:15,360
significance to the number 33?

2184
02:14:16,740 --> 02:14:22,200
Good question. Yes. This goes
back to what was the name of the

2185
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:23,550
series Rubicon.

2186
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:30,240
I think that's a good point.
Yeah, maybe Rubicon was was part

2187
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:33,690
of this rubric. Go ahead, which
you can get by the way, I think

2188
02:14:33,690 --> 02:14:37,920
they bet they put it back up on
amazon.com. Good. I would watch

2189
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:43,230
this series. But what it does is
it expresses this codes that

2190
02:14:43,230 --> 02:14:46,710
people use in the intelligence
community is not to just

2191
02:14:46,710 --> 02:14:50,940
communicate, but the signals
mostly signaling. And we believe

2192
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:54,750
33 we've, we believe this for a
long time. But in fact, we had a

2193
02:14:54,750 --> 02:14:58,200
segment on the show for a while
we're adding would read from a

2194
02:14:58,770 --> 02:15:02,580
Google search almost on every
show for about a, I don't know

2195
02:15:02,580 --> 02:15:06,180
about six months you do this,
all the 33 references that are

2196
02:15:06,180 --> 02:15:09,660
in the news, which is still
probably not a bad idea once in

2197
02:15:09,660 --> 02:15:17,490
a while. And that is your idea.
And one of the things that we've

2198
02:15:17,490 --> 02:15:21,570
noticed is that 33 crops up in
very strange places for very

2199
02:15:21,570 --> 02:15:22,620
strange reasons,

2200
02:15:22,890 --> 02:15:25,950
at least 33 killed in the
Democratic Republic of Congo

2201
02:15:25,950 --> 02:15:32,670
freight train Justice League
number 33. See, this goes on and

2202
02:15:32,670 --> 02:15:35,340
on. Yes, 30 threes everywhere.

2203
02:15:36,510 --> 02:15:40,050
And so we've decided that is
signaling but we don't know what

2204
02:15:40,050 --> 02:15:44,040
it's signaling. We have ideas,
when it might be signaling. We

2205
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:45,960
don't know what but we do
mention it. And we're

2206
02:15:45,960 --> 02:15:47,940
preoccupied with trying to
figure this out. And it's

2207
02:15:47,970 --> 02:15:52,080
gotten, you know, it may be
coincidental that the 33 level

2208
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:55,170
Mason had something to do with
it or somebody, but I think

2209
02:15:55,170 --> 02:15:58,740
that's mostly they just took
that number for that reason. It

2210
02:15:58,740 --> 02:16:03,270
might be a nod to the Masons, I
don't know, we don't know.

2211
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,980
But it's but if you see it in a
news report, it's you just start

2212
02:16:07,980 --> 02:16:14,670
noticing it. And it may also be
just a cop out on journos part,

2213
02:16:14,730 --> 02:16:19,440
just like add a third 33,
something like that. But it pops

2214
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:23,310
up in all these official notices
and stuff that often already

2215
02:16:23,310 --> 02:16:27,060
smells like bullcrap to us.
Like, okay, there's a 33. Just

2216
02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:29,490
pay attention to it. That's all.
Just pay attention. It's a

2217
02:16:29,490 --> 02:16:34,230
little signal, and you never
know. Maybe have time for two

2218
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:34,590
more.

2219
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,590
Okay, two more would do two more
and sorry for everyone else who

2220
02:16:37,590 --> 02:16:43,680
wrote in but I think you'd get
your money's worth anyway. Well,

2221
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:46,230
here's one. This is kind of
inside baseball by Magewell.

2222
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:51,870
Gonzalez Gonzalez. Next again,
do you really have to sort

2223
02:16:51,870 --> 02:16:54,900
sounds for the night things? I
always find it surprising that

2224
02:16:54,900 --> 02:17:00,000
John can find his keyboard. Or,
but No, he can't face you'd say

2225
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:04,440
can't find his keyboard but
finds his sword sound. There

2226
02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:08,220
this explained the producers
ship is not really the same as

2227
02:17:08,220 --> 02:17:11,130
Hollywood, because producers
never get the economic returns

2228
02:17:11,130 --> 02:17:15,210
from the show. If you know
Hollywood

2229
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:20,880
knows. The only thing we can't
give you is you know hookers and

2230
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:23,970
blow. Although those are if
you're a knight, that's what you

2231
02:17:23,970 --> 02:17:29,550
get both producers chips. Now.
Yeah, you said it. You said it

2232
02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:34,710
best. If you know how Hollywood
works. But you are you're doing

2233
02:17:34,710 --> 02:17:39,000
this because you get value out
of it. So the value you receive

2234
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:40,470
is what you put into it.

2235
02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:46,680
Emilio Hernandez says what is
the process for selecting jingle

2236
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:52,380
worthy, jingle worthy jingles
worthy for show debut? Can both

2237
02:17:52,380 --> 02:17:54,990
of you talk briefly about your
background? So we did that

2238
02:17:54,990 --> 02:17:58,440
already? And how they helped you
become the best podcasts?

2239
02:17:58,830 --> 02:18:01,590
podcaster for the best podcast
in the universe, I think we'd

2240
02:18:01,590 --> 02:18:04,710
discuss a little bit of that.
But what about the process for

2241
02:18:04,740 --> 02:18:07,980
selecting jingles? I'm not sure
what he's asking. Well, like if

2242
02:18:07,980 --> 02:18:11,010
he had a jingly that he put
together oh, here's the here's

2243
02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:11,160
how

2244
02:18:11,160 --> 02:18:14,370
it works. You send it I listen
to it. If it's shit, I'll say

2245
02:18:14,370 --> 02:18:19,800
thanks. It might use it might
not if I think it can be fixed.

2246
02:18:19,800 --> 02:18:26,130
I'll give you feedback. That's
pretty much it. It's yeah, it's

2247
02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:28,560
probably used about half the
jingles were sent. Did you think

2248
02:18:28,560 --> 02:18:29,610
that's a good number?

2249
02:18:30,270 --> 02:18:32,490
No more than that. I'd say more.

2250
02:18:33,570 --> 02:18:39,540
Okay, he wants to do some
jingles. That's my guess. But

2251
02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:43,050
just do a few because it's like
the art. Okay, well takes a

2252
02:18:43,050 --> 02:18:54,660
while to get the hang of it.
Cliff factcheck false bullshit

2253
02:19:03,870 --> 02:19:11,970
that's one mother. I'd like to
shadow to the gate to the gate

2254
02:19:11,970 --> 02:19:30,690
to the clinic Noma training
sciences

2255
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:37,470
there's just a little
smorgasbord of variety that you

2256
02:19:37,470 --> 02:19:39,600
could pursue.

2257
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,830
And I have one last question.
I'll just read this one. Where

2258
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:48,960
in the world is Victoria
Nudelman. Kagan mathway.

2259
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:49,920
We have that one.

2260
02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:55,110
We don't know where she is.
Yeah, we think she's retired.

2261
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:58,230
Now she's doing Look she's up to
no good

2262
02:19:59,820 --> 02:20:01,860
yeah, Victoria Kagan Nudelman

2263
02:20:08,519 --> 02:20:16,049
All right. I think that'll do
it. Well, that was time worthy.

2264
02:20:16,649 --> 02:20:17,369
walk down

2265
02:20:17,370 --> 02:20:21,660
memory lane. Yeah. It's kind of
odd. It's kind of odd.

2266
02:20:21,690 --> 02:20:26,760
Yeah. Well, we we will be back
to deconstructing very soon. We

2267
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:29,340
have another special show, which
will not be like this one coming

2268
02:20:29,340 --> 02:20:36,150
up. And then we blast off until
the end of the year. God knows

2269
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:36,840
what's going to happen.

2270
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:43,830
Not only reminder divorce.org/in
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2271
02:20:43,830 --> 02:20:44,280
please.

2272
02:20:47,250 --> 02:20:50,940
And have a happy Thanksgiving.
What's left of it? And I know

2273
02:20:50,940 --> 02:20:52,920
you're celebrating because
you're certainly not listen to

2274
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:58,260
this. That's what this podcast
is for. Listen later. All right,

2275
02:20:58,290 --> 02:21:02,970
coming to you with the special
show X here in downtown Austin

2276
02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:07,470
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State. Still FEMA Region six on

2277
02:21:07,470 --> 02:21:10,260
the governmental maps in the
morning, everybody. I'm Adam

2278
02:21:10,260 --> 02:21:10,620
curry,

2279
02:21:10,920 --> 02:21:13,200
and from Northern Silicon
Valley, even though I'm not

2280
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:16,470
really here. I'm John C. Dvorak.
We will

2281
02:21:16,470 --> 02:21:20,430
return in just a few days right
here on no agenda. Until then.

2282
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:22,110
Adios movo