1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,040 podcasting 2.0 for October 30 2020 This is episode nine and 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:15,120 here come the pioneers kind of like the Pilgrims a couple of 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,430 ships sailing across the big podcast ocean everybody is is 4 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:26,700 he's wrong holiday monetarily podcasting? 2.0 You know, I 5 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:30,510 didn't even have a cool intro name for you today. Gosh darn 6 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:33,030 it, ladies and gentlemen, Dave Jones, everybody. 7 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:37,590 Nice. Okay, because like if this was like Good Morning Vietnam. 8 00:00:37,590 --> 00:00:41,190 Yeah. I'm like that little. I'm like that little, you know, like 9 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:46,170 mealy mouthed guy, the corporate guy that nobody likes. No, no, 10 00:00:46,170 --> 00:00:49,290 no, no, no, no. You told her it doesn't matter. Because we're 11 00:00:49,290 --> 00:00:51,420 all going to end up by the way this week is going we're all 12 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:57,210 going to end up on substack. Anyway, charging $5. You know, 13 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:02,310 I'm very excited about Glenn Greenwald leaving the intercept. 14 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:07,170 And I am too. And I think I've gotten a lot of emails already 15 00:01:07,170 --> 00:01:10,620 from people saying, Hey, man, you really got to help Glenn out 16 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:13,260 because, you know, his audio sucks. He's gonna be doing a lot 17 00:01:13,260 --> 00:01:16,680 more podcasting. Like, I don't know if I can help him with 18 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,670 everything, but we can certainly help him with some things. And 19 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:25,290 that's substack thing though. If you think about it. I love I 20 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:31,620 love numbers. It's I think the default option is $50 a year. 21 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,680 That's the that's the default subscription level they have on 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:45,210 sub stack. So he has to move. He's probably making half a 23 00:01:45,210 --> 00:01:48,240 million dollars. Where was making half a million dollars. 24 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,270 We have to move 10,000 people to pay. I think he's got that 25 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:51,900 audience. 26 00:01:52,380 --> 00:01:55,320 I think he's got that easy. i He got me yesterday, within five 27 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:55,800 minutes. I 28 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,640 mean, I subscribe. I pay for it. I did the $50 option I did same 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,280 for Matt Taibbi, these are two of the best journalists. I know. 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,450 I love those guys. 31 00:02:04,590 --> 00:02:07,170 That's what that's what I posted this morning. I'm like, if if I 32 00:02:07,170 --> 00:02:09,450 hope no more journalists keep going to substack because I'm 33 00:02:09,450 --> 00:02:12,420 gonna go broke. I mean, I got it. You feel like you got to 34 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,670 support these guys. I mean, as soon as they say, Hey, I'm 35 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:17,940 getting screwed. And I gotta go independent to keep my you know, 36 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:22,170 to keep my integrity. Oh, yeah, you're getting my five bucks. I 37 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:25,230 mean, that's automatic. Yeah. And then I'll cut off whatever 38 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:27,690 other stupid discussion I don't even know about anymore. But you 39 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:29,100 know, and slot it over there. 40 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,860 If only we had a way to manage that better. Don't have to 41 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:37,200 think. Think about that. Dave, how's your week been man? 42 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:40,620 Busy. It's been it's been busy. 43 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:45,870 And I should point out that both Dave and I have actual jobs like 44 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:50,250 I think everybody else who hangs out in podcast index and is 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,530 developing or on the podcast index dot social, demanding 46 00:02:55,530 --> 00:03:00,780 jobs. So I'm, honestly I'm amazed that we're all still kind 47 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:03,600 of standing here. Especially you I know. I know that your week 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,470 started off with a non it it gig. 49 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:15,210 Yeah, that that's it's it's it's funny with it with it. You don't 50 00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:19,920 you don't ever know what's like, that's part of you don't know 51 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:23,010 what's coming. It just throw everything throws you 52 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:27,240 curveballs. And so you always have to be, you know, you've got 53 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,780 your regular it, which is just day to day operations and all 54 00:03:30,780 --> 00:03:34,950 these kinds of things. Yeah. And then at any moment, you know, it 55 00:03:34,950 --> 00:03:38,070 doesn't have to be just a crash. It could just be like, Oh, crap, 56 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:42,480 I gotta deal with this. You get we get one of those every two, 57 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,040 three days, you know? So 58 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:48,630 usually, for me, it's like, computer crash. That's, that's a 59 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:52,650 disaster when I have a computer issue. Oh, yeah. Here's a 60 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:56,580 question for you. Whenever I reboot my Surface Pro six, which 61 00:03:56,580 --> 00:04:00,450 I use for the studio exclusively, even if it's an 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,530 update, I think it'll come back up it'll blue screen and it'll 63 00:04:04,530 --> 00:04:11,310 tell me the error is I RQL is not less or equal than and then 64 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:15,780 it tells me it's it's gathering some important information with 65 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:18,210 a little percentage counter and then it reboots and then it's 66 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:18,630 fine. 67 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:22,230 That's that sounds like standard Windows behavior to 68 00:04:22,229 --> 00:04:25,709 me. Oh, that's that's what it's supposed to be. Okay. Yeah, it's 69 00:04:25,709 --> 00:04:29,249 a Microsoft product. It wasn't nice little smiley face at least 70 00:04:29,249 --> 00:04:32,099 didn't go to blue screen with the smiley and a QR code is very 71 00:04:32,099 --> 00:04:32,399 hip. 72 00:04:33,390 --> 00:04:35,910 That's insulting. That's insulting to me. Don't give me a 73 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:40,710 smiley face when you Is it okay. It's a surface, pro or surface 74 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:41,100 go 75 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:44,670 down. This is Surface Pro six. 76 00:04:45,089 --> 00:04:50,429 Okay, so it's a Surface Pro. It's a self. It is a it is a 77 00:04:50,429 --> 00:04:56,369 self contained device. You can't add anything to it. You can't 78 00:04:56,369 --> 00:05:01,889 put cards in it. You can't put RAM In it, you can't swap hard 79 00:05:01,889 --> 00:05:05,699 drives, there's nothing you can do on the inside of this device. 80 00:05:06,179 --> 00:05:12,989 It's built by Microsoft. And the hardware, and the software is 81 00:05:12,989 --> 00:05:17,729 built by Microsoft. And they're sold together all as a as a 82 00:05:17,729 --> 00:05:23,699 package. So, and somehow, it blue screens every time you boot 83 00:05:23,699 --> 00:05:27,269 it. Yeah, and our q not less than or equal, that is a drug 84 00:05:27,299 --> 00:05:32,069 that is a driver that is 99% of the time and driver issue. So 85 00:05:32,069 --> 00:05:35,249 Microsoft has a self contained unit that they sold to you that 86 00:05:35,249 --> 00:05:38,399 they cannot write same drivers for. 87 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:43,290 Well, to be fair, I have a lot of crap hanging off of this 88 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:47,670 machine. You know, I got two monitors hanging off of it. 89 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:51,630 external hard drive and audio interface. Yeah, 90 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:55,800 you're you're you're triggering my my rant session here. Because 91 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,890 all right, if you go back, and you know, I do, I don't a much 92 00:06:01,890 --> 00:06:06,630 call it full spectrum it work from as a day as my day job. 93 00:06:06,630 --> 00:06:10,530 It's it's everything from you know, server, server stuff, 94 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,970 software development, help the end user Help Desk. I mean, 95 00:06:14,970 --> 00:06:18,420 there's nothing that is off limits in my job, if it's 96 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:24,840 plugged into a wall. I touch it, right. And so as part of the end 97 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:33,000 user, stuff, like if you go back 1010 years ago, and we end you 98 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,750 plug in dual monitors, triple monitors, or whatever that stuff 99 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:42,180 was rocks. It worked. It worked every single time it did one 100 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:42,480 play, 101 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:48,240 or once we brought in HDMI got tricky. or USB C or USB. That's 102 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,620 the real problem. Yeah. Oh, it's 103 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:53,760 all USBC and and Thunderbolt and DisplayPort. Right windows, 104 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,910 which are all kind of flavors of the same thing. Yeah. When they 105 00:06:56,910 --> 00:07:00,990 brought that stuff in, multi monitor went berserk. Yeah. And 106 00:07:00,990 --> 00:07:04,860 you can't at like, I mean, you can't plug into monitors 107 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:08,820 anymore, and be assured that they're gonna work. Yeah. And 108 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:11,700 like, we took a step backwards here. That's why, you know, I 109 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:14,160 always ran on this, like with self driving cars, and those 110 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,110 customers like, Yeah, show me. Yeah, sure. We can even plug 111 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:20,220 into monitors. 112 00:07:21,330 --> 00:07:23,820 I'm still waiting for my refrigerator to order the milk 113 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:25,500 automatically. Yeah, yeah. 114 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,070 Yeah, we can't plug into monitors and make it work. And 115 00:07:29,070 --> 00:07:31,740 you can't get your card Bluetooth to connect every time 116 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:35,040 that you're going to have the car drive. For me. That is some 117 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:36,240 big time BS. 118 00:07:36,300 --> 00:07:41,400 So this kind of leads me into a topic for today. Because a lot 119 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:47,760 of these things, I think are developed in vacuums. Yeah, we 120 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 have testers and there's all kinds of stuff. But it's so I 121 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,700 mean, so hard to create something, certainly if it's 122 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,930 software based, and understand all the use cases and how people 123 00:07:57,930 --> 00:08:02,670 are going to do stuff with your software. And this became so 124 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:09,780 apparent to me this week, it was a big aha moment. Tools. Yeah. 125 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:15,180 So the he, I'll give you the high level assessment. And then 126 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:21,540 let me start with that. What I'm feeling is, we've had a decade 127 00:08:21,990 --> 00:08:26,010 of lack of innovation in podcasting, for a number of 128 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:33,930 reasons. The main one being that this was usually driven by the 129 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:38,550 companies that create RSS feeds, seeing as they have the most 130 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:44,160 invested in creating additional functionality that they can 131 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,170 offer to their customers, their podcasters. The chicken in the 132 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:56,040 egg was that the app developers, and let's just say, Apple, 133 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:59,010 because that's really, that's really what this has been about, 134 00:08:59,010 --> 00:09:03,150 because they were also not just a popular app to use for 135 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:06,690 podcast, but they were also maintaining the index, the 136 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:11,580 default index for most. And now later, Spotify has been added to 137 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:17,280 that. It's been a question of, well, we want to add this, and 138 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,070 will you guys get on board with it? And then of course, you 139 00:09:20,070 --> 00:09:23,640 know, you have all kinds of what we've seen go into very fast, 140 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:27,990 very fast tempo with with a namespace of podcast index, or 141 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:31,950 at least on the GitHub, never got anywhere because it would 142 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:35,070 just be a back and forth and a meeting and the end, the most 143 00:09:35,070 --> 00:09:39,930 egregious part, although not anyone's fault, per se, is the 144 00:09:39,930 --> 00:09:44,460 users were completely left out of the conversation. Yeah, sure. 145 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:48,360 The people in the conversation also have podcasts. But here I 146 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:54,570 am, and this was it was very frustrating. I'm a co founder of 147 00:09:54,570 --> 00:09:59,580 the project. We we've put this together to combat a whole bunch 148 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:05,760 of issues. To move podcasting forward, we come to an 149 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,230 agreement, not even agreement, but we're working on chapters 150 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,550 and chapters is already supported. The whole reason that 151 00:10:14,970 --> 00:10:17,730 was it, who was already supporting chapters out of the 152 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:18,570 gate was that? 153 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,410 Well, the apps on the App side, yeah, 154 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:26,190 hyper capture. So hyper, and I think podcasts 155 00:10:26,460 --> 00:10:29,910 are maybe podcast attic, head to head has got it in beta. And 156 00:10:29,910 --> 00:10:32,040 then Martin was working on it in pot, 157 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:35,820 right. So this is working, I mean, the work is being done. 158 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,260 And now it's the kind of the reverse. So everyone's sitting 159 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:46,080 around testing with one feed, that has some that has a chapter 160 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:51,750 tag in there with a JSON file, linked by a URL. And that JSON 161 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:56,940 file has the has the chapter markers in it. And I'm like, 162 00:10:56,970 --> 00:11:02,400 holy crap, this is so cool. I want to use this. Because when I 163 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,170 use this, this is my thinking, when I use this, I can say, on 164 00:11:07,170 --> 00:11:10,110 my show, or I have several of them where a lot of people 165 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:14,010 listen a lot, I think, in aggregate, maybe a million 166 00:11:14,010 --> 00:11:19,260 people on a weekly basis, I say, oh, man, I've got this cool new 167 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:23,160 feature, check it out. If your app doesn't have it, then check 168 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,350 it out on hyper cat, your pod friend or podcast addict, which 169 00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:34,410 I think in my mind, would make everybody happy. Because they're 170 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,440 developing apps, they want the apps to be used, they want 171 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,130 people to use the apps because of the art that is created with 172 00:11:41,130 --> 00:11:44,610 that, you know, the the way it's laid out, that's per individual 173 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:46,860 developer, that's very different. And there's a new 174 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:52,710 feature. I am a what people think it's very rare case, I 175 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:57,660 don't really think so. But I do not have a hosting company. I 176 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,400 know because of the size of the amount of traffic that we push, 177 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,510 we have our own little CDN, which void zero maintains up 178 00:12:06,510 --> 00:12:09,690 there and north of the Netherlands and it's through 179 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:13,680 ova. Ah, so we've built our own little CDN. And I create my 180 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,010 feeds with the freedom controller, which you built. And 181 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:19,830 we were at this point where I'm like, Oh, my God, this, we can 182 00:12:19,830 --> 00:12:22,440 really push this forward. Because the way I look at the 183 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,020 situation, as a user, and I'm a podcaster, with an audience is 184 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:33,480 if I'm using this, and people like it, and there's apps for 185 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,760 it, it would be a much easier call for a hosting company to 186 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,050 retool, I understand what goes into it. I have my non developer 187 00:12:43,050 --> 00:12:46,500 voice lots of times, but I I really do understand what goes 188 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:50,400 into creating this stuff, certainly at scale. And if you 189 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,650 have if you're, you know, a company that's like most are 190 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:58,710 just struggling to get by just trying to make it all work for 191 00:12:58,710 --> 00:13:03,060 everybody. Yeah, that would drive that adoption with some 192 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:09,930 assuredness that, you know that that it would, it would be used, 193 00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:13,470 because if I'm using it, other podcasters, look at what I'm 194 00:13:13,470 --> 00:13:17,370 doing. And they'll say, oh, wow, this is great. So I thought that 195 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:21,030 I was in the perfect position until I realized, well, 196 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:24,870 actually, here's how it went. We did our show on last Friday. And 197 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:27,720 I said, Dave, I know what you're working on. You got a whole 198 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,320 bunch of crap. Don't worry about the feed. Because the previous 199 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,860 two episodes, you were hand coding the feed and changing 200 00:13:34,860 --> 00:13:39,210 things. Which takes a long time. And I foolishly said to myself, 201 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,150 I used to do this shit. Don't worry about it. Give me this 202 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:46,140 give me a text editor. I'll take care of this. Yeah, yeah. Until 203 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:51,390 I then realize how much the data in a feed has changed. I mean, 204 00:13:51,390 --> 00:13:54,090 back in the day, we we didn't have to escape characters. And 205 00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:57,120 we weren't even thinking about that. And then Oh, my God, 206 00:13:57,660 --> 00:14:04,320 there's like, the the margin for error was so. So narrow, I mean, 207 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:07,470 you know, you screw up one thing in the feed. Now I have 208 00:14:07,470 --> 00:14:10,860 experienced with screwing up my feed a lot of it. And it's very, 209 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:15,330 very painful. When I screw up a feed, I will be answering emails 210 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:18,570 and having people tweet at me for days, if not weeks, 211 00:14:18,570 --> 00:14:23,370 sometimes. And to this day. Oh, where are the images in the 212 00:14:23,370 --> 00:14:26,610 podcast? 2.0 Feed where the images the older no agenda 213 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:31,290 images. How come there's two episode 1286? Well, I can tell 214 00:14:31,290 --> 00:14:36,570 you feed shit ain't easy. But here I am, arguably a pioneer, 215 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:40,620 ready to do stuff. And everyone's going like, Well, 216 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:45,060 yeah. And I mean, literally, that's the noise. I got back and 217 00:14:45,060 --> 00:14:46,080 I was there. As you could tell 218 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,480 this story guy on the screen and I didn't even know how to read. 219 00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:49,830 I was 220 00:14:49,830 --> 00:14:53,820 flipping out. I'm like, I desperately want to party I want 221 00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:56,970 to play in this playground. And so 222 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,430 you were flipping out. You call he called me and you're like, 223 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:02,040 you're like What the hell am I supposed to do? I don't know. 224 00:15:02,130 --> 00:15:05,070 It's like I want to use chapters is sitting right there. And I 225 00:15:05,070 --> 00:15:08,640 got asked the can do it. And I, like there's no tool. How do I 226 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,810 create a chapter? Yeah, 227 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:11,220 how do I create a chapter file? 228 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:13,410 How do I get it into the feed once I've created? 229 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,790 Exactly. So this chicken in the egg is stopping right now. And I 230 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:25,110 will say, Martin, pod pod friend, Martin. Thank you. Thank 231 00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:28,590 you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I'm gonna be 232 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:32,820 transparent as we always are. We offered to pay Martin to do 233 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:37,080 this. Because I realized it's not a not a, it's not 234 00:15:37,230 --> 00:15:40,890 necessarily benefiting his own development, to create something 235 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:44,580 so that I can just manage the feed and put in the cool 236 00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:48,240 elements that y'all are working on. And he refused. He said, No, 237 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,820 no, no, no, no, there'll be none of that. But that's that's how 238 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:55,440 desperate I was to get a tool just just to be able to do it. 239 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,150 And he went on a marathon 48 hour hackathon and came to us 240 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:04,080 did his and he did and came up with the RSS builder. And I am, 241 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:09,750 I am deeply, deeply grateful, really, so grateful for that. 242 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:14,160 Because now and I'm expecting, you know, with every new element 243 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,230 that we all agree works, that everyone works together, I think 244 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:22,170 the code is up or will be up, I think you already put it up. So 245 00:16:22,170 --> 00:16:26,010 we can add these little elements. And I can help test 246 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:30,300 because I can I can push and make these features surface for 247 00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:33,810 a large enough audience, I think that it matters, then the and 248 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:37,320 the audience that I have is very, very willing to experiment 249 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,990 etcetera. So now 250 00:16:40,020 --> 00:16:43,080 that that's important, too, because it's, it's, it's much 251 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,460 easier to have the only way you could test one of the ways you 252 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:51,510 could have one feed with a ton of users. And you could test 253 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:54,990 that. Or you could have a whole bunch of feeds with a few users. 254 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:59,430 And that's chaos. It's one feed that you can use as a tests and 255 00:16:59,430 --> 00:17:03,930 as a sandbox feed to test with that has potentially, you know, 256 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:08,640 maybe on the sandbox feed 20,000 users or more, that's gold. 257 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:13,650 Yes. And I think by and this is recommendation we got from a 258 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:18,420 mutual acquaintance, to actually Mark No, so my, my, the feed 259 00:17:18,420 --> 00:17:22,440 right now is just sandbox. And it's a separate feed. And we're 260 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,050 doing that for a very specific reason. And actually gonna go 261 00:17:25,050 --> 00:17:28,500 back Say what you will about Dave Weiner. But when we were 262 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:33,210 booting up podcasting 16 years ago, these features would be 263 00:17:33,210 --> 00:17:37,200 implemented into my feed creation software on the spot 264 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,640 almost, or the next day. And of course, that was because he had 265 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,100 a very different model, he was creating a single piece of 266 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,420 software, a tool that spit out an RSS feed admit did many other 267 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:52,200 things. But it was spit out the RSS feed. So every everything we 268 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:56,490 we were talking about or want to try, we pretty much implemented 269 00:17:56,490 --> 00:18:00,990 real world right away. And I really hope all developers, 270 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:06,120 especially our app, guys understand how valuable it is to 271 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:11,790 get the real users using your stuff in a controlled 272 00:18:11,790 --> 00:18:15,360 environment to start with, but go live as soon as possible. 273 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:19,530 Now, I'm going to toot my own horn, I am the perfect guy for 274 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:23,940 you. Because I am fearless. I will go and I will break Yes, I 275 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:27,060 will break my feet not on purpose. But if it comes to 276 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:31,500 that, I'll break my feet. And for sure, guaranteed, as Dave 277 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:35,370 Jones is my witness, I will break your software. And I and I 278 00:18:35,370 --> 00:18:38,700 succeeded right away, I immediately broke hyper capture. 279 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,860 And, and I'm happy and I'm like, Oh, this is so good. And I hope 280 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:48,300 that everyone sees how valuable this is because you're thinking, 281 00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:51,630 Well, you know, going to who knew that I was going to create 282 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:58,110 20 Chapter marks in my chapter file and bring up webpages that 283 00:18:58,140 --> 00:19:01,830 apparently are loading simultaneously. Now, I have an 284 00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:06,420 iPhone seven, for a number of reasons security, mainly, I 285 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:08,820 don't want a lot of the new features and the new sensors. 286 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:14,010 But it also may be a good benchmark just to have shit 287 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:17,430 work. It can work on an iPhone seven, you're not going to have 288 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:21,390 a problem with a 12. And the same goes for Android. There's 289 00:19:21,390 --> 00:19:25,920 there's all kinds of limitations to me, I think. And then even 290 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,520 though the stuff was out, and actually kind of released the 291 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,270 hyper catcher stuff. We all sat down and went hey, you know 292 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:36,600 that's actually kind of a security issue if Adam can just 293 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,390 have shit loading up on everybody's on everybody's 294 00:19:39,390 --> 00:19:42,570 phone. Just have some random page. That could be a real 295 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:47,580 problem. tracking, tracking. I mean, there are definitely web 296 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:50,940 pages that will crash your iPhone. You know, we've all seen 297 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,690 it. Yeah, call Apple right away. Yeah, here's the number you 298 00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:57,420 know, it takes over your whole your whole browser. You can't do 299 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:02,070 anything can get out of it. So I'm super excited that we can 300 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:06,750 move forward now in this manner. And so this show today, I'm 301 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:10,200 going to run it through the RSS builder, I'm going to add 302 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,170 chapters to it. And I already have feedback because now we get 303 00:20:16,170 --> 00:20:20,880 into the next part, which is very interesting is, so now I 304 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:27,390 have a tool for the RSS feed. And I'm, I haven't I don't care 305 00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:30,390 what I build my RSS feed with. But now at least I have a tool 306 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:35,640 that is flexible enough. So when a new a new feature comes out, 307 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,890 something we all want to support, and we're putting into 308 00:20:37,890 --> 00:20:41,430 the apps that the hosting companies will look at and 309 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:45,840 decide if they want to use we can do it right away. But yeah, 310 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,430 here's the first problem. So I now have one authoring tool, and 311 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:55,980 I'm very pleased with it hyper capture, super pleased to have 312 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:59,760 has to be more chapters you're talking about, yeah, four 313 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,960 chapters. Exactly, yeah. And this brings me to my next point, 314 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,740 and then I'll shut up. And I was trying to make this point, and I 315 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:12,870 don't think it came across very well. But in today's world, and 316 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:17,070 the best example of this is Microsoft Word. When someone 317 00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:19,950 sends you a Word document, you open it up in Word, and you read 318 00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:24,180 it. And when you create a Word document, you open up Word, and 319 00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:26,820 you create it in Word, and then you check it and you view it in 320 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:29,520 Word, and it has a couple different modes. So you can you 321 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,860 know, look at it different ways and and run some bug checking on 322 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:39,060 it, which is called a spell checker in in my world, and then 323 00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:45,270 you can send it off. Never has anyone complete, I'm sure people 324 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:48,450 have thought of it. But never has anyone completed the full 325 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:55,680 circle of well, editing my podcast, how it's going to look 326 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,960 what information is displayed in a podcast app. It would be an 327 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,530 I'm not asking for this. But just think of the power. If we 328 00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:08,400 could do that in the app itself. Because that was the experience 329 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,760 I had with hyper capture. Hyper capture allowed me to do one 330 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,420 thing, which blew me away, is I could create the chapters while 331 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:21,840 listening to the show in the app. That is incredible. I mean, 332 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,810 it's just It's massive. Now I know that David created it 333 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:27,840 because he wants community chapters, which believe me, I 334 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,960 want, because I'm already thinking, wow, this adds 30 335 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,210 minutes to my production time, you know, finding these 336 00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:37,050 chapters, I want a community chapter system where the 337 00:22:37,050 --> 00:22:39,840 producers of my shows can go ahead and do that. And it will 338 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,800 grow over time. And of course, you need to an admin interface 339 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:47,340 to approve that. But that just keep that in mind. It is 340 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:52,230 incredibly powerful to be able to do things to your podcast, in 341 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:55,620 the app itself as a as a as a creator, as a producer. 342 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:59,520 You're talking about wiziwig for podcast apps, 343 00:22:59,730 --> 00:23:05,730 in a way, in a way I mean so well, where it's really 344 00:23:05,730 --> 00:23:10,560 prevalent, where really where it really works well is in the A's 345 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,240 with the chapters, but I can see another use case. And the more I 346 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,760 because someone showed up on the index, I forgot who it was on 347 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,580 the mastodon and said, Hey, I was thinking of putting together 348 00:23:20,580 --> 00:23:26,340 a little podcast app that looks at where you are by geolocation 349 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:32,700 and then pulls up podcasts that are geo tagged in your area. And 350 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,150 now, of course no one has that at this point. It's not an 351 00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:40,530 official tag. But I can certainly see the benefit of it. 352 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:47,010 And if there was a world where I could add a location tag from 353 00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:49,350 the app itself, you know, my phone actually has all that 354 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:53,670 stuff built in GPS and everything. I mean, these are 355 00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:58,650 just super easy things to think of. Now, that doesn't make it 356 00:23:58,650 --> 00:24:01,350 any easier for a hosting company. You know, how does that 357 00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:04,470 get in all problems that need to be solved? I'm just putting it 358 00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:09,300 out there as a revolutionary idea. Certainly when it comes to 359 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:14,070 community based features, it comments the same thing. You 360 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:19,710 know, podcasting is getting its ass kicked its ass kicked by 361 00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:25,290 real time chats on YouTube. Now, once you go back, you watch the 362 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:29,280 video again, you see the chat scroll by that's that's cool 363 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:35,820 stuff. And we have very, we actually have zero audience 364 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:41,070 interaction pieces, mainly. And this is to finalize, because we 365 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:45,840 haven't been able to create this entire loop. And I feel really 366 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,870 good at the end of this week, because now I know that we are 367 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:54,780 in. We are formidable. We've got we've got great app developers 368 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,290 working within the framework of a namespace coming up with these 369 00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:02,040 features. They'll be able to test it Good testbed with me and 370 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,160 then real world with me, which will bring other people who want 371 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920 to do this. And we'll all make decisions if we want other 372 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,460 people to use this tool. But you know, all it takes is one 373 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:14,940 hosting company to say, Okay, we're going to change it and, 374 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:18,150 you know, at boys be ready. Because yeah, because you know, 375 00:25:18,150 --> 00:25:22,770 stuff is gonna start coming in. So long story short, let's 376 00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:26,460 remember that users in this process, and I am here, I am 377 00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:31,320 dedicated I am a part of the development team, call me QA, 378 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:36,300 call me Q, call me whatever you want. But I am going to break 379 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,840 your software, I'm going to do crazy shit that will drive you 380 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960 nuts. And we're going to have great, great features and 381 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,460 functionality because of it. 382 00:25:44,879 --> 00:25:47,939 Yeah, well, what you're talking about? I mean, what you're 383 00:25:47,939 --> 00:25:52,439 describing is the is actually what you need to have a 384 00:25:52,439 --> 00:25:58,019 comprehensive test setup for any kind of software. Yeah, because 385 00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:02,969 as developers go, I'm sure that everybody you know, I'm sure 386 00:26:02,969 --> 00:26:06,689 every other developer is like me, as I hear you describe, 387 00:26:07,049 --> 00:26:10,859 okay, what I need is, is, is a piece of software that does 388 00:26:10,889 --> 00:26:16,019 this, and this and this. And as I'm hearing it, I'm envisioning 389 00:26:16,289 --> 00:26:19,379 the pieces as they go together in order just to make it 390 00:26:19,379 --> 00:26:25,409 function. But just simply functioning is not what makes 391 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:29,759 great software. No, it is what makes great software is is 392 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:33,449 functioning it has to function at what it's supposed to do. And 393 00:26:33,449 --> 00:26:39,449 it's also got to do it in a way that is enjoyable, and easy. And 394 00:26:39,449 --> 00:26:41,909 all of these intangibles that you can't, 395 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:45,720 you can't you can't dream up. Yeah, you can't dream 396 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:51,600 up code this, this that's enjoyable, or delightful, or 397 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,350 whatever. Well, yes. 398 00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:58,140 Now there's, you can 10 print Hello, 20. Go to 10. Okay, 399 00:26:58,140 --> 00:27:00,660 that's just always gets me 400 00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:04,530 to hell go to hell, 401 00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:05,820 exactly. 402 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:11,010 Like you, you can't. So what you need is you need a you needed, 403 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,030 you need the developer sitting there thinking those things. But 404 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:19,470 then you also need a non developer who's trying to just 405 00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:24,480 simply use it. And who is breaking it? And who's telling 406 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,280 you, hey, this thing is really awkward, or yes, technically it 407 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,720 worked. I created this chapters file. But I tried to actually 408 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,130 load it in the app, and it took 10 minutes to load, right isn't 409 00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:42,990 like, you have to have both sides of that coin, because it's 410 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:45,450 the back and forth between the two that actually make great 411 00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:49,560 software. So I think like, that's, that's what I hear. And 412 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,490 I know that that's a deficiency of me, because you can't, not 413 00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:56,760 only can you not properly debug and debug your own software, I 414 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,560 mean, thoroughly debug it, you can't, you also can't look at it 415 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:07,650 with non developer eyes. Sure. It's just you can't you can't do 416 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:12,000 that. Because your, your mind won't let you because you're 417 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,050 thinking, make it work, make it work, find the find the thing 418 00:28:16,050 --> 00:28:20,070 that's causing it not to work. And so, like there's times when, 419 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,970 like if people notice that go dark for a little while, and 420 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:31,530 don't respond to things. It's usually because I'm having to, 421 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,130 you know, take care of take care of something and and I'm trying 422 00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:39,090 to just get my mind away from podcast index and away from all 423 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:44,550 that stuff. Sure. And, and go, you know, clear my mind so that 424 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:48,390 I can come back to it, and then look at it with fresh eyes. And 425 00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:53,070 that it doesn't always work. But you have to try. Because that's 426 00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:54,510 the only way you get good software. 427 00:28:54,660 --> 00:29:00,270 Now what I was super pleased by and which told me a lot is the I 428 00:29:00,270 --> 00:29:04,950 feel incredible speed at which hosting companies have 429 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:10,110 implemented the lock tag. That went very fast. Now I know 430 00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:13,680 there's not a lot of logic behind it. Although just having 431 00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:17,640 a toggle that says yes, lock my feed. There's logic there. I get 432 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,750 it. That went now how fast like three to two, three weeks, and 433 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:25,020 we have six or seven different companies supporting it. 434 00:29:25,710 --> 00:29:28,530 Yeah, it's it was it was a low hanging fruit. 435 00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:32,070 I think it's I think it's all low hanging fruit personally, I 436 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:35,340 think it's all just sitting there waiting to be captured and 437 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,070 well, well, Kevin from posted on the message on the other day in 438 00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:43,920 response to something. I forgot what he was responding to, but 439 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,300 he actually printed out what he said because he said at the end 440 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,560 of the day podcast creators want to see their photo and A's DS 441 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,040 talking about the host the host tags. Yeah, the contributor 442 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,770 contributing or whatever we're calling it. At the end of the 443 00:29:58,770 --> 00:30:02,250 day podcast creators want See their photo and guests photos 444 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:05,520 within the apps while episodes are being played? That's really 445 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,390 interesting. I said, I think that's the use case, we need to 446 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:13,500 design for closed platforms like Apple already have this, we need 447 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:17,250 an open spec that offers something similar, nothing more 448 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:23,400 and nothing less. felt that was perfect. That that is exactly 449 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,320 what is going on right now. Because I don't know that. Maybe 450 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640 we see it a little clearly, I'm being presumptuous here. Maybe 451 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:38,430 we don't. But perhaps we see things because we're not in the 452 00:30:38,430 --> 00:30:43,380 hosting business or the app business. Sure. Sure, sure. And 453 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:46,860 it's possible that what we're seeing is maybe something that 454 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:50,850 has not really sunk in yet. But if you get back to the what were 455 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:54,990 the clips we listened to last week, the the silo companies 456 00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:58,680 like Spotify, and Amazon and these people that are trying to 457 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:04,230 bring things exclusive. This, especially Spotify, they are 458 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:09,000 trying to build a full complete stack end to end user experience 459 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,280 that is completely within their system. Yes. 460 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,660 And this This is, this is exactly what I wanted to wear. I 461 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:20,460 wanted to steer it because we are in a race in a way. However, 462 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:27,120 I do want to make note. And I completely believe Kevin. When 463 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,960 Apple was about to launch this feature, they were making a big 464 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,010 deal about it internally. I have no, honestly no one from Apple 465 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,700 podcasts has spoken to me since we started this project. But 466 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:43,560 they used to email me and said, Yeah, we're launching this 467 00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:48,870 hosting. So can you please give us pictures? And I don't see it 468 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:51,510 in the app. I have the Apple app. Where is it? Where's my 469 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:55,680 picture? Where's this? Fantastic. I don't understand 470 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,860 the functionality. I gave it to them. It may show up if you 471 00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:03,360 search somewhere. I mean, I can I can look but where is it? How 472 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,130 is it being used as my question? 473 00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:11,939 I see that. That's a great point. Because, as you you 474 00:32:11,939 --> 00:32:15,689 mentioned, I think you mentioned on the agenda not too long ago 475 00:32:15,689 --> 00:32:18,179 about your mentioned the the Mises Institute, which I think 476 00:32:18,179 --> 00:32:19,859 you pronounced at Mises. 477 00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:24,030 Yes. Thank you. Mises Institute. Yes, yes, yes, we gotcha. But 478 00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:24,750 they're here, 479 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:28,590 but they're here in Auburn, Auburn, Alabama, which is about 480 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:32,820 two hours away from me. And I remember, I used to listen to a 481 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,790 ton of their material. And one of the I remember this one 482 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:40,140 lecture, where it may have been Tom woods, actually. Now, I 483 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,180 don't think it was him. But anyway, he said, the lecture 484 00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:46,650 said, you know, a, he's talking about antitrust, and he said, a 485 00:32:46,650 --> 00:32:55,710 small player, a small business person can can out maneuver a 486 00:32:55,710 --> 00:33:00,210 large business any day of the week. And they were growing, 487 00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:04,110 because you can always the small business guy can always, you 488 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:10,830 know, he can, he can trim his expenses, he can, he can eat one 489 00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:15,420 fewer meals a day. I mean, like, there's a lot that he or she can 490 00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:19,710 do in order to free up the resources in order to make some 491 00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:23,760 sort of move and make it very quickly. Whereas a large company 492 00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:27,420 that you know, you, you have to have a certain amount of 493 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:31,200 revenues or manage cash flow, it takes a long time to steer that 494 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:37,290 boat in another direction. So I think that base that a small 495 00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:41,340 focus group of developers doing this, this namespace were 496 00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:43,410 much more and much more nimble. Yeah, 497 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,340 we can move like we can move on this host guests stuff much 498 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:48,870 faster. Okay, in a big cup. 499 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:52,470 So let me let's, now we're, we're doing chapters at the same 500 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:55,140 time, I'm not stopping on chapters, because there's still 501 00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:59,520 work to be done, particularly how we create chapters. Let's 502 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,600 talk about the host and guest. So this is the Apple app. It's 503 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,470 updated. Its its newest one. I know that my photos in there 504 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:12,000 Jhansi Dvorak photos in there. It's in their system internally. 505 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,360 So I know that I know that that's all right. And I searched 506 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,890 for Adam curry in the Apple podcast app. Now it does that no 507 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:22,770 point anywhere in the interface does it bring up my picture his 508 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:27,450 picture? It shows me a number of podcasts. And when I look at 509 00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:29,940 this, I think, Oh, this is really good. Because it first 510 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:33,870 has no agenda. I'm in that mo facts. I mean, that Joe Rogan 511 00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:37,830 experience I mean that twice. So I click on Joe Rogan experience, 512 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,600 and I just get a list of Joe Rogan experience podcasts with 513 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,170 his most recent episode, why now this is what I'd want. Why 514 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:50,160 doesn't it show me the episodes that I'm on? Because it seems 515 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,780 like a no brainer. You know, they got no fucking users. No 516 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:57,720 one is really using this. They're not listening to people. 517 00:34:57,990 --> 00:35:01,770 Adam Carolla. I've been on that show one It's Hotep. Jesus, I've 518 00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:06,690 been on that show, Tom woods, I'm seeing all of it. Even the 519 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,920 buzz cast, there we go. Let me click on that. It should say, 520 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,880 here's the episode with Adam curry, but it doesn't. It just 521 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,640 takes you to broadcast, it just takes you to bus casts. So they 522 00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:21,030 they either I didn't even you don't even have to use the tag, 523 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:24,900 you could just search. I mean, you could, you could, in theory, 524 00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:28,230 just search for a name and show notes and bring it up to because 525 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:32,220 I know Netflix and l podcast, which was on once two and a 526 00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:35,910 half, three years ago. I know that they're not producing a 527 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:42,510 tag. I know that Daniel have hosts and guests in there. So we 528 00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:49,530 have a we have a communication breakdown. So why don't we as 529 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:53,040 the Nimble developers, and sorry, Martin, I know you're not 530 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,920 in the US, but sorry, for all intents and purposes, you now 531 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,430 are an American entrepreneur, because America is actually 532 00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:02,040 small business. It's not big businesses. Yeah, we got some 533 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,150 notable ones. And it's the small businesses that make up the core 534 00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:12,270 of this country. See, it is the backbone. So let's work on hosts 535 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:15,210 and guests tags. And let's make it kick ass. And let's make our 536 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,540 apps kick ass. Because when I when I'm searching for Adam 537 00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:22,530 curry, I want to see my face appear. And then I want to see 538 00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:25,590 what shows I'm on and I want it to list the actual shows that 539 00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:29,130 I'm on. You can split it up any way you want it. But just I 540 00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:30,780 mean, what a waste. What a waste. 541 00:36:30,839 --> 00:36:34,889 I want to and you want to link to Wikipedia. Yeah. 542 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,580 And I already see some of that insights, you know, podcast 543 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:42,930 insights, or some, you know, low level AI stuff, basically skip 544 00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:45,540 logic people are doing like, Oh, it's fine to Twitter feed, let's 545 00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,350 find a Wikipedia entry. That's fine. And how about this as a 546 00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:56,310 crazy thought? Why wouldn't it be possible to add to that? So 547 00:36:56,310 --> 00:37:01,260 if there's a if there's a host and a guest entry? Are we going 548 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:04,500 to recreate all that work? I mean, should guests and hosts 549 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,050 maybe have I'm just throwing shit out there? Should guests 550 00:37:07,050 --> 00:37:12,600 and hosts maybe not have a way to have a format that can be 551 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,990 used by all podcasts they appear on no matter who creates it? 552 00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:20,220 What do you mean? You mean, like in the mean, like in the tag 553 00:37:20,220 --> 00:37:21,600 itself by the 554 00:37:21,630 --> 00:37:25,470 index? Why Why? Why wouldn't I'm just throwing stuff out, David. 555 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,970 And just, to me, it's like, okay, I'm the guest. And all I 556 00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:36,750 provide all I've ever been asked for is my picture. And I don't I 557 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:40,950 actually don't want my Wikipedia link. Can I please give a bio 558 00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:44,850 that I like that I can link to? Can I please put in the most 559 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:48,480 recent project. So this is going to be still how do I change my 560 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:55,110 picture? Yeah. Now you're now you're hearing a user talking? 561 00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:58,020 Yeah, well, that's exactly what you're supposed to hear. I mean, 562 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:03,690 like, that's the hold on my dogs freaking out. 563 00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:07,110 Your dog agrees with me, man that the dog is going Yes. Yes. 564 00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:12,990 drover. Anyway, do you want it you want to go talk to him? We 565 00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:18,060 can wait. We can wait for anyone to talk to him. And while Dave 566 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:22,980 is doing that, let me see if I can find developers, developers 567 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:30,810 developers, because that is got to be I guess I don't have that 568 00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:36,960 in the archive anywhere. But we always have the Google 569 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,120 developers, developers, developers, 570 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,430 developers, developers, developers. Yeah, I 571 00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:47,130 mean, it's not. It's not like I'm gonna stop the recording or 572 00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:50,550 anything. Dave, hold on. This is a classic for those of you who 573 00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:52,140 are too young to have ever heard it. 574 00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:56,250 developers, developers, developers, developers, 575 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,400 developers, developers, developers, developers. 576 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:07,980 Bomber bomber, yeah. It's a classic. I'm putting that in the 577 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:12,420 show notes first. It does not stop either. It just keeps on 578 00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:15,480 going beautiful. I don't think I've ever seen that full thing. 579 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,870 Five minutes. Oh, the rant is five minutes. And he's sweating 580 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:21,120 like a hog. And it's fantastic. I remember 581 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,740 that. I remember that. Or whatever. 582 00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:26,850 It's in there. It's in there somewhere. 583 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,880 Like that. I think chat to me chapters is almost fully baked 584 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,000 already. I mean, like, there's just maybe a couple of well, 585 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,510 interesting. 586 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:42,060 Okay, here's a feedback on my end. So. So I have a tool to 587 00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:46,020 have the hyper capture the regular app, which I can create. 588 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:52,470 The chapters with. My options are comment and URL. So we know 589 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:58,260 that it wasn't a good idea to just pop up whatever URL was put 590 00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:08,790 in there. So now I either I either need some logic that 591 00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:14,790 picks up an icon or the first picture or something to display, 592 00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:18,420 or I need a way to also get a picture in there. 593 00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:22,230 Yeah, we'll see that's in the spec. So it may just be that 594 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:24,510 David has hasn't put it in there. And maybe there's a way 595 00:40:24,510 --> 00:40:29,370 to, or maybe he's looking, treating the URL, I'm not sure 596 00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:32,220 what he's doing, he'll have to clarify that because, like, it's 597 00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:37,080 no chapter. So in a Chapter, you can specify the chapter spec has 598 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:41,430 Start Time, which will be the seconds into the data onto the 599 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:47,460 audio. And then it has either a URL of a web of the Assam web 600 00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:51,750 URL or an image URL. So it can have, you can have either or 601 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:57,420 both. So you can put in, you know, an image URL instead of on 602 00:40:57,420 --> 00:41:01,770 a webpage, it'll just load the image. But I'm not sure if he's, 603 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,890 I'm not sure what his interface was exposing that. 604 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,410 No, I only have one, one URL space to put in there. Okay, 605 00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:12,990 well ask him about that, then. But let me just give you the 606 00:41:12,990 --> 00:41:19,500 next set of problems. Okay. So I saw I want it to look good. So I 607 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,770 want to have it now. There are many times I can get an image 608 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:26,460 and just copy and paste that image. But some What if I have 609 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:29,190 an image from my phone that I want to put in? I'm just 610 00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:33,840 thinking as a user? Now, I gotta find a place to host that image? 611 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,800 Yeah, like if you're if you're wanting to upload something 612 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,610 yourself, yeah. 613 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:42,660 Okay. So these are, these are tools. And I think this is where 614 00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:47,310 the hosting guys come in. How are you? How are your users 615 00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:50,190 going to create the content for these tags? 616 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,210 See that, to me. To me, that's, that's the perfect role for 617 00:41:57,210 --> 00:41:57,570 them. 618 00:41:57,690 --> 00:42:00,600 It is the perfect, it is the perfect role. Because 619 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,760 they're already hosts. They're already hosting things like 620 00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:07,320 transcripts, and feeds and everything. 621 00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:10,080 I mean, like I mean, another thing is, I'm just going to keep 622 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,630 hammering on this transcripts. Okay. How do I do it? I mean, 623 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,770 I've gotten some answers. And the answers are, well, you do it 624 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:21,870 through this, and you run it through that, and then you put 625 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:24,540 it on a server and you put the URL here. 626 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:29,040 That's not something grandma can do. 627 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:36,180 It's not something I can do. I mean, I can. But I'm so so. So 628 00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,800 someone's supporting transcripts right now. Is that Is there 629 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,490 support for that? 630 00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:45,480 Yeah. Buzzsprout. Yeah, Buzz press supporting it? 631 00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:48,360 And do they have a tool for creating the order? They just 632 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,710 create the transcripts on the fly? Or they 633 00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:57,780 don't know how they do it in their UI. Okay, that's, I've 634 00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:00,030 created an account the other day to see if I could do it, and 635 00:43:00,030 --> 00:43:02,700 then never followed through on it. But I don't know. I don't 636 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:06,120 know how they're exposing it. I know. I think they read. I think 637 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,930 they redirect you. Man, I don't want to say because I don't know 638 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:15,570 it. Like, it seems like here's the problem with transcripts. 639 00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:22,320 With with the chain of getting them into your feed, is that you 640 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,890 have you have potentially, they cost money. First of all, it 641 00:43:25,890 --> 00:43:29,880 costs money on almost every service to do if you're going to 642 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,600 do more than just a little bit like if you have a three hour 643 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,470 show, it's going to cost you I don't know at least three bucks 644 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:41,430 to three bucks to create a transcript for that show. By the 645 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:44,610 time you run it through their their engine, and it spits out 646 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,590 usually some sort of JSON file. It's time encoded, and it's like 647 00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:53,670 every single word in the transcript has a timecode. So 648 00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:55,980 it's a fairly sizable file, I don't know, four or five 649 00:43:55,980 --> 00:44:01,320 megabytes, then you have to take that and convert it into 650 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,470 something that is more usable by an app, something that's not 651 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:14,820 just like your huge monster of time coded single words. So 652 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:21,150 there are hurdles as to transcript to like, it makes 653 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:24,750 sense that the chain is complicated. Now, I don't know 654 00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:28,440 how Buzzsprout does that. Now if if we're doing it, let's just 655 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,570 say I'm gonna run mine through AWS transcribe service. And it's 656 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:36,690 going to spit me out a crazy JSON file. And then I gotta 657 00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:39,870 figure out some way to get that into a standard podcast 658 00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:41,880 namespace transcript format. 659 00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:47,520 So this is also why things never get done. Because everyone says, 660 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,340 Well, I'm ready to receive it. And then the hoster say, I'm 661 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:55,380 ready to put it in. And in the middle. You've got users stuck 662 00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:58,410 saying, Okay, how do I do this? 663 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,500 Yeah, well, the perfect, I think, I think the transcripts 664 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:08,160 is probably the worst case scenario of that. And I don't 665 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,540 want, like I said, But Buzzsprout may have a much 666 00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:14,970 better solution to this than that. I don't know. I just don't 667 00:45:14,970 --> 00:45:15,150 know. 668 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:21,510 I see they they support chapters? Because I put one of 669 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:27,030 my feeds in there. Maybe it's a pass through, okay. Yeah, well, 670 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:29,340 I didn't have a lock tag on it. So that's the good news. 671 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,850 Maybe it's having an upgrade, I will upgrade my feed, to see 672 00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:40,230 maybe I get transcripts in there. But maybe it's premium 673 00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:44,130 feature, could be a premium feature. But just looking at the 674 00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:47,700 so here, we have transcripts, or Nina chapters, and they have a, 675 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:52,050 this is actually quite usable. They have ADD chapter markers. 676 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:59,100 So So I hit that. And I can add, well, the start times have a 677 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,650 little player, so that all works automatically. That's great. I'd 678 00:46:01,650 --> 00:46:05,610 love to use this, then it has a chapter title and a URL. So it 679 00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:09,510 does not have an option for a URL and a picture. That's 680 00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:09,870 interesting. 681 00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:12,780 So that's, so that's hyper catcher and both both have that 682 00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:17,040 same sort of interface. And I wonder if they're just because 683 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,510 because in the spec, there is an image property and an A in an in 684 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:27,300 a URL property. So they, Tom and Kevin and David, they, they need 685 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,460 to tell us how to use that. 686 00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:34,530 Well, we're Yeah, I mean, to me as as a as, let's call it my 687 00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:39,720 hosting provider in this case, it would make sense to me that I 688 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:44,190 can either grab an image from somewhere and just drop it in 689 00:46:44,190 --> 00:46:48,000 there, and it uploads to my area of my server space on 690 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:54,420 Buzzsprout. And adjust does everything else for me? Yeah. So 691 00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:57,510 and I understand the that. I mean, so there's two use cases. 692 00:46:57,510 --> 00:47:00,510 One is the one that I don't like, which is and that's just 693 00:47:00,510 --> 00:47:03,090 me, personally, I want people to listen to my show, and I don't 694 00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:05,520 want you jumping around and I don't want to see something 695 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,980 that's Oh, well, I'm not going to listen to this bit. I'm going 696 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:11,310 to that bit. Which means I feel you that's just my art, you 697 00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:15,000 know, it's like I would rather people listen to it in linear 698 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000 fashion. I also don't like people listening at one and a 699 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,310 half times speed, you know, that's just me. However, I would 700 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:27,390 like to use this as eye candy, the way it's being implemented 701 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:31,080 in hyper capture. And I think pod friend, is your you're 702 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,180 listening, you get to a certain point and up pops, whoa, here's 703 00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:40,170 a cool thing. Here's an image and there's a URL, I can tap and 704 00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:44,790 go through. So we talked about artwork on our show. And we're 705 00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:47,340 talking about artwork that we did not choose for the album 706 00:47:47,340 --> 00:47:50,760 art, I want to rotate that. And here's this, this is the perfect 707 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,280 use case for me. Here's this one. Here's that one. And that's 708 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,310 not meant for you to tap through to anything. It's also not meant 709 00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:59,970 to jump to it per se, I don't mind how if people want to jump 710 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:01,740 around. I mean, that's it is what it is. 711 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,580 Well, that's something that evolved into the chapter spec 712 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:11,490 this past week is we've been? Oh gosh, it's hard to even remember 713 00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:14,910 what has happened in this in the week. Because I think early on, 714 00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:17,940 I made contact with the developer of a program called 715 00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:23,790 chapters app. And it's a Mac program that will create mp3 716 00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:31,440 chapters in your mp3 file. And, but his his software will also 717 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,980 at the same time, spit out a JSON Chapter format. And so I 718 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:42,510 started looking at his JSON chatra format. And it was so 719 00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:45,150 close to what we had. I mean, like the properties were named 720 00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:48,450 the same. In a lot of instances. I mean, it the format was just 721 00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:51,600 almost identical. So I made contact with him. Frederick 722 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,640 Buurman, I think is how you pronounce his last name. And I 723 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,310 made contact with him said, Hey, your your format is so close to 724 00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:04,500 ours, this would be huge when if we just combined, what if we 725 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,380 merge these two formats together? If it's not two in a 726 00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,800 way, that's not too painful for you, not too painful for us. And 727 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,080 we each have to just make a couple of tweaks. And we have 728 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,950 one single format that your your users can go ahead and spit out 729 00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:20,220 a chapters file that will work in the podcast namespace. He 730 00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:23,190 said, Yeah, that sounds great. Exactly. Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. 731 00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:25,830 So it was perfect synergy. So we pulled that we pulled that 732 00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:29,520 together this past week. And he's cool with it. We're good 733 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,740 with it. Very little change for anybody to absorb. But the one 734 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:38,010 thing that came in there was was an extra property optional 735 00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:41,640 property called Table of Contents or TOC, which is 736 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,620 something he was using, but we didn't have it and it was a 737 00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:48,030 great idea. So that you can choose to have a silent chapter. 738 00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:52,860 So you have a chapter marker. That doesn't show as Yes. Is 739 00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:55,350 that in the spec now? It is in the spec? Yes. 740 00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:56,760 I love that. 741 00:49:57,180 --> 00:50:00,000 Yeah. So you can put your images in there. They'll just work 742 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,110 rotate, but it's not a jump point. You know, it's just like 743 00:50:04,110 --> 00:50:07,650 a slideshow at that point and you just see it. Uh huh. Yeah. 744 00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:10,800 And that I mean, you can have a pot, you could have a podcast of 745 00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:15,360 all silent chapters where things just are shown to you. But there 746 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,130 are, there's no jump points at all. That's all Dino. So now 747 00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:22,890 that we have that option, that's a perfect scenario. 748 00:50:23,669 --> 00:50:27,059 So what what is the best way? So this? So this is very 749 00:50:27,059 --> 00:50:30,839 interesting. This is now implemented in in two, possibly 750 00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:34,229 three or four different places? What is the best way to move 751 00:50:34,229 --> 00:50:37,409 this forward? Because now we have a scenario where it's 752 00:50:37,439 --> 00:50:41,549 almost there. But it's not quite to spec. Now, this is granted, 753 00:50:41,549 --> 00:50:45,209 this is something that has just started happening. Yeah. How do 754 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:48,929 we how do we move this forward? Because I have a use case, I 755 00:50:48,929 --> 00:50:52,469 think it's a good use case. For that use case to work, I need 756 00:50:52,469 --> 00:51:01,229 three extra things. In, in, in whatever I'm using to create the 757 00:51:01,229 --> 00:51:07,199 chapters with, I need to be able to put an image in addition to a 758 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:13,079 URL, that image has to be hosted somewhere. And I would like to 759 00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:18,089 have to add the silent, no chapter mark. So how do we get 760 00:51:18,089 --> 00:51:22,019 it from where it is here? to I mean, I know how it goes at 761 00:51:22,019 --> 00:51:26,159 Spotify. Some guy says, Hey, we've decided we're going to do 762 00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:29,129 this. Everybody get on it, drop whatever else you're doing. 763 00:51:29,609 --> 00:51:37,799 Yeah, that's clearly not the way to work. Martin did. Well, I owe 764 00:51:37,799 --> 00:51:42,269 him. I owe him. I'll DJ your daughter's Bar Mitzvah, 765 00:51:42,299 --> 00:51:48,269 whatever. Do anything. i Oh, my Oh, Martin, for sure. Because it 766 00:51:48,269 --> 00:51:51,269 really took us a wave. Look at the look at what happened, man. 767 00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:54,449 This is great. You did that. It's great. You did that? 768 00:51:54,449 --> 00:51:59,789 Because that? I mean, it's, it's great. Because you're, if you 769 00:51:59,789 --> 00:52:02,819 look at podcasts index, the index to social everybody. 770 00:52:02,819 --> 00:52:06,149 There's a programmer? Yeah. Everybody, there's a developer, 771 00:52:06,179 --> 00:52:12,179 except you. Really? Yes, maybe one or two other people. And so 772 00:52:12,209 --> 00:52:17,339 like, if you don't break stuff and speak up, then the 773 00:52:17,339 --> 00:52:19,769 developers are just gonna keep on lalalala. You know, just 774 00:52:19,769 --> 00:52:21,929 gonna keep on going about their business and like pumping out 775 00:52:21,929 --> 00:52:26,189 software that doesn't interop. And that's no good. It's like, I 776 00:52:26,189 --> 00:52:29,069 think the way forward on this is simple. You we finalize the 777 00:52:29,069 --> 00:52:35,849 tech, finalize that format, and we put it now now, I think it 778 00:52:35,849 --> 00:52:39,809 was Kevin, ever Buzzsprout was saying, because I keep 779 00:52:39,809 --> 00:52:42,449 mentioning bus route, because they've they've really jumped on 780 00:52:42,449 --> 00:52:47,279 board and are trying to help us finalize the spec. And so that's 781 00:52:47,279 --> 00:52:49,979 why they're Nikki's coming up a lot. They've just been hands on, 782 00:52:50,579 --> 00:52:54,029 you know, helping, not just sitting back and saying, oh, 783 00:52:54,029 --> 00:52:56,099 yeah, we'll do it when you know when the time comes. But they've 784 00:52:56,099 --> 00:53:00,539 actually taken a hands on pushing code. So and what he 785 00:53:00,539 --> 00:53:04,409 said was, you know, chapters is not something that our, that our 786 00:53:04,409 --> 00:53:07,949 users are really calling for, but we realize it's important, 787 00:53:07,949 --> 00:53:11,639 and we'll we'll support it. And I knew and I think I said this 788 00:53:11,639 --> 00:53:14,129 early on that I knew that chapters was going to have to be 789 00:53:14,129 --> 00:53:17,999 something that that I was going to have to politic for. Because 790 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,979 there are some things that are not necessarily being asked for 791 00:53:22,979 --> 00:53:27,719 or clamoring for by users. But you sort of have a vision for 792 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:35,339 it. And mp3 chapters are good, because there's really zero 793 00:53:35,339 --> 00:53:38,219 privacy implication. You can embed everything in there and 794 00:53:38,219 --> 00:53:41,699 it's not it's not a big deal, but it is a pain in the butt. 795 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,080 Oh yeah. No, it's horrible. No, I think everything is great. I 796 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,050 mean, I really do. Everything is great, but we just need to go 797 00:53:49,050 --> 00:53:54,480 through a couple of loops and Buzzsprout I am now your 798 00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,900 customer I am signed up for the $24 a month plan and now I have 799 00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:06,210 demands Yeah. Now have demands as a customer I have demands 800 00:54:06,509 --> 00:54:09,239 it's going straight to this suggestion but we got a we got a 801 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,409 customer one chapters. 802 00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:14,700 Here's something interesting. So there is no there's nothing 803 00:54:14,730 --> 00:54:17,370 extra that I could find in this plan doesn't matter because I'm 804 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,090 happy to support them. Under artists slash there is more 805 00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:24,720 episodes settings. items below are optional don't have to be 806 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,390 completed. Also some kind of impacts in higher episode 807 00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:30,120 displays to be sure to understand what they do before 808 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:36,180 setting them. And then it has artists slash guest and already 809 00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:40,920 populated in there's Adam curry ampersand John C. Dvorak, too. I 810 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,510 doubt an ampersand is a good way to separate two artists and 811 00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:48,150 guests. I don't know if that's possible. So 812 00:54:48,569 --> 00:54:53,549 I'm really just pull another iTunes author tags. Gah, okay, 813 00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:59,969 it's in there as a single gotcha. I got it. But when the 814 00:54:59,999 --> 00:55:05,039 He, when the contributor tag gets finalized, we'll, they'll 815 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,319 be able to separate that logically. Because it'll be 816 00:55:07,529 --> 00:55:09,059 it'll be structured data in the fee. 817 00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:12,330 Right, which adds a lot of complexity to what they're 818 00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:13,590 doing. I understand that. 819 00:55:16,379 --> 00:55:24,659 That's, I mean, the whole idea of having of having the and 820 00:55:24,659 --> 00:55:26,759 that's, I think it caused some confusion earlier in the week, 821 00:55:26,759 --> 00:55:31,259 because you had, you are calling for tools. And yeah, and the 822 00:55:31,259 --> 00:55:33,869 hosters, were saying, Well, I mean, that's what we do. I mean, 823 00:55:33,869 --> 00:55:38,969 we build we build tools. But there's also a class of a class 824 00:55:38,969 --> 00:55:42,689 of podcaster out there who is self hosted. And then there's 825 00:55:42,689 --> 00:55:48,929 also podcasters, who are on hosts that are smaller and 826 00:55:48,929 --> 00:55:51,749 don't, maybe they're, they're using them because they're 827 00:55:51,749 --> 00:55:54,959 cheaper, or for some reason other for some unknown reason 828 00:55:54,959 --> 00:55:58,259 that we don't know about. And they don't have, and they're 829 00:55:58,259 --> 00:56:01,169 just slow, and they're not quick to adopt, and that kind of 830 00:56:01,169 --> 00:56:03,149 thing. And those, you don't want to lay those guys out in the 831 00:56:03,149 --> 00:56:07,199 cold either. So the fact the fact that there's just more 832 00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:11,039 tools is going to make this thing easier. And I think I 833 00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:15,539 think we can submit it by finalizing that the chapters tag 834 00:56:15,569 --> 00:56:21,599 this this week. I mean, I think that's totally doable. And one 835 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,619 of the things that I plan on doing this weekend is I'm just 836 00:56:25,619 --> 00:56:30,749 going to take a look at the landscape and do a reorder on 837 00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:34,559 have already had some discussions with people who have 838 00:56:34,589 --> 00:56:41,129 expressed their ideas about what, you know, what should be 839 00:56:41,129 --> 00:56:44,219 in phase one, phase two. And I agree, and I think everybody 840 00:56:44,219 --> 00:56:46,739 pretty much sees the way this is going. So I'm just gonna go 841 00:56:46,739 --> 00:56:50,399 ahead and reorder everything into phase one, phase two. And 842 00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:53,759 then we'll just we'll kind of finalize this homestretch of 843 00:56:53,759 --> 00:56:58,769 phase one is, hey, here's the three tags that we want to focus 844 00:56:58,769 --> 00:57:01,259 on the most and see if we can get these things to the finish 845 00:57:01,259 --> 00:57:02,519 line. I think that's 846 00:57:02,550 --> 00:57:05,610 I think that's an excellent, excellent idea. And I will take 847 00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:12,960 it upon myself, I'm going to create an account with blueberry 848 00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:17,640 and one with fireside and who else we have Captivate. Yeah, 849 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,520 transistor transistor, I'll just create an account with 850 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,050 everybody. And I will, I will wreak, I will run my feeds 851 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:30,270 through every system and provide my feedback. And agree, but the 852 00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:35,550 main thing is, if we have a namespace that has those 853 00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:39,090 elements in it that we discussed, I'm going to push for 854 00:57:39,090 --> 00:57:45,960 it to be implemented as such. Because we know that we have app 855 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:52,560 developers who are developing to that spec, but if no one's going 856 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,970 to create them to that spec, we lose again. Yeah, and every 857 00:57:56,970 --> 00:58:00,690 single time we go through this loop, Spotify gets one step 858 00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,940 closer to just making it, look, they have years to go. They 859 00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:10,140 really do. I don't believe any of the hype. I'm not so sure 860 00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:15,390 that they're the cat's meow. in all regards, they have anchor, 861 00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:20,070 which is a big deal. But we are very nimble. And I know what it 862 00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:22,590 takes in any corporation no matter how they come across to 863 00:58:22,590 --> 00:58:29,820 do certain things. And we need to keep plowing ahead. And and I 864 00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:33,810 can evangelize everything and anything and get people to use 865 00:58:33,810 --> 00:58:37,950 your apps and go to your services. But I have to be able 866 00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:38,850 to show it working. 867 00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:42,810 So for another critical play this piece of the puzzle. 868 00:58:42,839 --> 00:58:47,519 Right. So So I would say with with deep respect to the 869 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,819 Buzzsprout. Team, you're not done yet. I know it's just been 870 00:58:50,819 --> 00:58:55,319 finalized. But please consider revisiting your chapters for 871 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,680 two receptors is not final yet. It's not finalized yet. 872 00:58:59,670 --> 00:59:02,970 Know what, what is the only thing is finalized the lock tag, 873 00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:03,960 then as far as I know, 874 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,770 lock, transcripts transcripts is 875 00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:10,950 no there's no apparent way for me to make that there's no 876 00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:13,620 apparent way in Buzzsprout for me to add that. 877 00:59:14,610 --> 00:59:18,240 They'll they'll have to let us then they'll have to pipe in and 878 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,900 tell us what to do. Yeah, I know that guy. Because I see him. I 879 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,690 see him in the index. We're, we're aggregating that data now. 880 00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:27,180 And I see Buzzsprout feeds with transcripts. I just don't know 881 00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:34,530 how to get them in there. So yeah. And what was the last one? 882 00:59:35,070 --> 00:59:40,020 There's three. I'm drawing a blank. But anyway, well, there's 883 00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:43,020 three tags are finalists, we need to we need to finalize, I 884 00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:47,550 think we can get chapters done this week. That and, you know, 885 00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:52,170 the and a contributor tag. That also seems very doable. I think 886 00:59:52,170 --> 00:59:55,530 we can get that thing done definitely by the 15th. We'll 887 00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:55,950 also 888 00:59:56,010 --> 01:00:02,100 and so then, the contributor tag implementing The tag into two, 889 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,360 just using Buzzsprout and the RSS builder. I'm pretty sure 890 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:12,030 I'll be able to do it in the RSS builder. But then really, how is 891 01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:13,560 it being used? 892 01:00:14,490 --> 01:00:17,940 But I think that's an easy one to implement on the app side. 893 01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:22,260 And it because it's, I mean, it'll, it'll just be essentially 894 01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:25,410 just a URL and a name. 895 01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:29,160 Right, right. But in an image, I'm saying all the all the 896 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,120 things that we were talking about, how was the app going to 897 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,100 use this? So and I think we've given a couple of good examples, 898 01:00:38,850 --> 01:00:43,080 just in a basic search. Now, I don't know if that's the index 899 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,890 or how that works. In a basic search. If I'm searching for a 900 01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:51,420 guest, then I want to see the shows that that guest is on, and 901 01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:56,190 specifically the, you know, the actual episodes. Otherwise, what 902 01:00:56,190 --> 01:01:00,720 did you do for me? That's apple. And that's, Apple's doing that 903 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,640 stupidly. So we can blow past Apple just by making that that's 904 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,780 a big feature. 905 01:01:07,350 --> 01:01:10,290 Yeah, I'll start doing that immediately. I mean, that's that 906 01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:15,090 search, like, as soon as we aggregate that data in that way, 907 01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:17,910 like, I mean, that's instant search ability. 908 01:01:17,939 --> 01:01:22,049 So the next to the next part is, what do I get? How can I 909 01:01:22,049 --> 01:01:27,329 contribute? To help to making that better? This is a good one. 910 01:01:27,329 --> 01:01:32,669 So what can I do besides just adding a URL to a picture or, or 911 01:01:32,669 --> 01:01:37,529 a single page? What can I do to make it better for the apps to 912 01:01:37,529 --> 01:01:40,889 do something with that information? And and can I 913 01:01:40,889 --> 01:01:45,899 control it to change the information? I mean, this to me, 914 01:01:45,899 --> 01:01:49,919 is another authoring tool that I would expect from me or my tool 915 01:01:49,919 --> 01:01:56,489 provider? Is it just a simple URL to a wiki page? Sure. Seems 916 01:01:56,489 --> 01:01:58,529 kind of sad. That's the best we can do. 917 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:05,160 Yeah, well, there's other work going on, too. I know, I'm just 918 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,160 saying that not chaser, you know, pot chaser is built, 919 01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,500 essentially, if I understand them, right, they're building a 920 01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:16,530 database of various sort of verified, as use that term 921 01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:21,630 loosely, because they're just verified hosts and guests. With 922 01:02:21,810 --> 01:02:24,360 a lot of this information, they're trying to build almost 923 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,200 like a podcast. I mean, a wiki itself is what the way I take. 924 01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:33,840 That's interesting. Yeah, and I mean, like they, they were on 925 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:39,990 the GitHub comments, saying, you know, hey, we got this work in 926 01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:44,310 progress. And they may have released it this week, are not. 927 01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:48,780 But they're going to also have an API. So there may be a third 928 01:02:48,810 --> 01:02:53,070 party API that can now that can pull in some information we may 929 01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:57,870 be get, this may be the beginning of like, the the 930 01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:02,670 industry solving a problem. And this seems to be happening a lot 931 01:03:02,670 --> 01:03:07,050 with this whole project is the industry is seeing a problem and 932 01:03:07,050 --> 01:03:10,620 beginning then the motion of implement of fixing it or 933 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:14,250 building things around it. And then now the podcast namespace 934 01:03:14,250 --> 01:03:17,100 can just give it an outlet. So 935 01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:21,870 okay, so here's what I would recommend, since I I didn't 936 01:03:21,870 --> 01:03:25,950 participate in the conversation on the GitHub and I, or at all 937 01:03:25,950 --> 01:03:28,230 because I wasn't thinking about it. I've never cared about it, 938 01:03:28,260 --> 01:03:33,390 because I saw nothing come of it. If we can at least get to 939 01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:35,940 the point because I'm looking at pod chaser. They do the same 940 01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:39,300 thing. That was great because pod chaser does. They do seem to 941 01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:42,270 have a lot of good stuff in here, which everybody could hook 942 01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:47,100 into. I don't know how people feel about it about using third 943 01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:53,640 parties. But let's see, they already integrate with POD rover 944 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,350 pod status. My podcast reviews, Captivate vote Buzzsprout is 945 01:03:58,350 --> 01:03:58,740 here. 946 01:03:59,610 --> 01:04:01,500 My podcast reviews, that's Daniel J. Lewis. 947 01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:06,810 So they says they have partial integration. Okay, that's the 948 01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:09,270 whole lesson. I'm just reading this some features integrated 949 01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:12,240 with POD chaser. New shows are able to be submitted to pod 950 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,350 chaser. Okay, pod chaser links on hosted podcast pages, no pod 951 01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:19,950 chaser ratings displayed no. Displayed on episode no creator 952 01:04:19,950 --> 01:04:25,200 profiles displayed on? No, this means so that's kind of worth 953 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,110 looking at. As long as it can as long as you can have 954 01:04:28,110 --> 01:04:31,920 competition. Yeah, so that that's not a single point of 955 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,270 failure. But at its very core, it will be great to be in a 956 01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:45,000 podcast app and say, Adam curry and it will show me the episodes 957 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,300 of shows where I was listed as a guest or a host. 958 01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:50,940 Not just the podcast, the episode itself 959 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:53,760 the the actual episode itself. Yeah, yeah. 960 01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,990 I mean, I think which 961 01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:59,340 kind of makes sense. Yeah, I think that's the point of it 962 01:04:59,340 --> 01:04:59,730 all. 963 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,850 That's what everybody wants. Yeah, that's the one thing 964 01:05:02,850 --> 01:05:06,030 everybody wants. And it sounds like if we're understanding this 965 01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:10,950 right, Apple has gotten 1% of the way a stop to the finish 966 01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:12,720 line 80% 80%. 967 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,120 Because they don't even they don't even surface the picture I 968 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:15,660 sent him. 969 01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:19,110 Yeah, the picture forgot about that. We can do this, this can 970 01:05:19,110 --> 01:05:21,810 be better. This can all be better. I mean, the 971 01:05:21,810 --> 01:05:25,500 decentralized, the building a decentralized Can, can just work 972 01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:30,330 better? Well, it's not the world feature. It's not that we're 973 01:05:30,330 --> 01:05:34,770 targeting feature parity is it's that we're, we're taught, you 974 01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:39,000 know, mutual friend of ours said that. Yesterday's like, you 975 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,290 know, there's no, it's not enough to just do what they do. 976 01:05:43,290 --> 01:05:44,010 You got to do 977 01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:47,610 better, better. Yeah, we're building back better. 978 01:05:48,450 --> 01:05:51,900 Because, because if somebody's locked into a silo app, yeah. 979 01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:55,320 You want to get them out of the silo app and back into the open 980 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,890 market. And so like, there's no reason to do that. If you're, if 981 01:05:58,890 --> 01:06:01,350 it's just like, well, the open system just has the same stuff 982 01:06:01,350 --> 01:06:01,980 I've got already. 983 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,830 Well, this is perhaps even this is a better example than 984 01:06:04,830 --> 01:06:08,670 chapters really, because here's Apple, they've had this for 985 01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:11,970 months and months and months. They've had this integrated, 986 01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:16,080 they've received my pictures, they decided, I think, if you 987 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,970 search somewhere on Apple, it'll show my profile. And it may have 988 01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:23,910 a wiki page link, I recall something like that. But it's 989 01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:26,550 definitely not surfacing their app, or at least not any 990 01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:29,430 apparent manner. We can kick everybody's ass because the 991 01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:32,220 number one thing, the number one reason for this feature was 992 01:06:32,220 --> 01:06:36,030 exactly that. Oh, my God, I loved hearing that guy on that 993 01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:40,230 show. Well, you know, where else is he appearing? I believe that 994 01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:45,690 was the main driver behind the feature. And what was discussed, 995 01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:49,050 if I recall correctly as well, you know, a lot of people will 996 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:54,060 do spammy titles. Like if you liked Adam curry, you'll love 997 01:06:54,060 --> 01:06:58,320 this episode, you know, that kind of stuff. But I think if we 998 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,550 have enough fields for, and by the way, is a room for four 999 01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:04,320 guests, or is it just one guest? 1000 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,120 Now, there's no limit? 1001 01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:08,460 There's no limit to how many guests tags you put in there. 1002 01:07:08,759 --> 01:07:11,159 There's not a limit to how many you put in there unless it's 1003 01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:15,269 imposed by the host, which would they'll they will have to impose 1004 01:07:15,269 --> 01:07:20,339 limits and A's, but there's I mean, per spec, there's no, 1005 01:07:20,369 --> 01:07:23,309 there's no limit. But I mean, like an aggregator I'll stop. 1006 01:07:23,849 --> 01:07:27,329 You know, I'll pick up, you know, five people. And then I'll 1007 01:07:27,329 --> 01:07:29,789 just stop after that. I mean, I'm not going to pick up 100 1008 01:07:30,179 --> 01:07:31,139 guests. But is this? 1009 01:07:31,290 --> 01:07:33,690 Is this an endpoint you want to provide? 1010 01:07:35,490 --> 01:07:38,400 Well, it will just get returned with the with the episode 1011 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,810 results, and then there'll be a separate search. Which, and I'm 1012 01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:46,770 kind of like we have we have 50 million episodes in the index 1013 01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:51,420 right now. So that's a lot of data. And I've really held off 1014 01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:56,850 on any sort of episode search, until we sort of fry this fish. 1015 01:07:56,970 --> 01:08:00,270 Right? Because for that mean for you, because you want to get 1016 01:08:00,270 --> 01:08:02,370 that right. To start with. Yeah, 1017 01:08:02,490 --> 01:08:11,040 yeah. Cuz because really, I can't imagine searching 50 1018 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,880 million episodes without having some indication of what you're 1019 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,840 looking or have something specific. Right. So he's 1020 01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:21,900 saying guest and then name is that still? 1021 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,199 No, no, I think that's fine. Yeah. Surely on the 1022 01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:29,880 purely on the the guest field in your database, he said simply. 1023 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,330 So that's, that's an easier search. 1024 01:08:33,780 --> 01:08:36,660 Oh, yeah. I mean, like, that's, that's very doable. If we have 1025 01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:39,570 that structured data in there, we can do that. Right very 1026 01:08:39,570 --> 01:08:40,380 quickly. So 1027 01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:43,620 just looking at the way Buzzsprout has implemented it 1028 01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:46,920 right now, which is why they have partial integration, 1029 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:56,910 whatever. Where it's guest slash host. Host slash guest. Actually 1030 01:08:56,910 --> 01:09:02,760 is so interesting. From just looking at the regular podcast 1031 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,420 info, it still uses the artists tag. I know that's an industry 1032 01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:13,050 wide thing. I find that hilarious. It's what it is. 1033 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:18,180 We need to have hosters we need to have them guest on the show. 1034 01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:22,950 Yeah. We next episode, we need to get hosters in because they 1035 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:26,400 can show us how to use their software. Yeah, and yes, because 1036 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,670 I'm probably doing around here this artist slash guests so 1037 01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:35,700 already. That it's an I'm not picking on Buzzsprout I love 1038 01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:41,520 these guys. They're going to be fantastic. It's just this is the 1039 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,690 same everywhere. Everyone's making these legacy things. 1040 01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:49,890 Like they're they're jumping on the tag. They're gonna do that. 1041 01:09:49,890 --> 01:09:50,190 No, no, 1042 01:09:50,189 --> 01:09:54,749 I know. But I'm, I'm just providing the feedback. I'm not 1043 01:09:54,749 --> 01:09:59,969 an artist. It's a small thing. Oh, yes. Which is a small thing. 1044 01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:06,119 And do I do Adam Currys? Ampersand Jhansi. Dvorak and 1045 01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:12,179 then slash nothing? Or shouldn't it be two separate entries? One 1046 01:10:12,179 --> 01:10:17,189 for Adam Curry One for Jhansi, Dvorak. So these are all things 1047 01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:22,949 that you cannot create, as just a software developer on the 1048 01:10:22,949 --> 01:10:26,249 index as just a software developer on the hosting side, 1049 01:10:26,249 --> 01:10:29,279 or is just a software developer on the app side, this 1050 01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:32,669 conversation that we're having has to happen. We can't do it in 1051 01:10:32,669 --> 01:10:34,859 our vacuum either. You know, 1052 01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:40,230 this, this was this went from the the show where we read 1053 01:10:40,230 --> 01:10:44,550 namespaces, to the show where we describe trying to use software 1054 01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:51,450 on the internet. How beautiful is this? Let me scroll. Now, I'm 1055 01:10:51,450 --> 01:10:55,200 looking at this text box. I'm not sure what it means. Yeah, 1056 01:10:55,230 --> 01:11:00,000 it's our quest to get rid of all of our audiences is Wow, no, I 1057 01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:00,660 see. 1058 01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:04,529 I think there's eight people who who care. I really do. But 1059 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,650 you want to do you want to thank them? Do you think that's? Well, 1060 01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:13,050 hold on? Yeah, I just wanted to say that we are at a beautiful 1061 01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:17,190 point, a beautiful point where we all understand what's 1062 01:11:17,190 --> 01:11:23,040 happening. And we have this glue. And, and I want to make it 1063 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:27,180 even more sticky. So we really talk to all the players because 1064 01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:31,320 that's what's never happened, you know? And in the users, I 1065 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,250 don't think they've been in the conversation, and just makes 1066 01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:37,560 better software. It really does. 1067 01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:40,200 And people are on podcasts index, not social. 1068 01:11:41,970 --> 01:11:47,820 Well, let me tell you what I can find. You get stats. Yeah, 1069 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:56,670 stats. Let me see. Where's my preferences here? I think gets 1070 01:11:57,390 --> 01:11:59,580 on that one a second. For sure. Because I 1071 01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:03,990 see new people popping up 170 Nasty new people popping 1072 01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:08,280 up on a fairly regular basis. 80 to active this week. Yeah, 1073 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,120 I mean, that's, that's a 1074 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,040 good. That's not bad. We had 971 interactions this week, whatever 1075 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,210 that means. But luckily, luckily, I have no backlog jobs. 1076 01:12:18,570 --> 01:12:21,840 What does that mean? That shit software's what the? What's the 1077 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,310 backlog, Joe? Well, if I click on it, I get a dashboard. And 1078 01:12:26,370 --> 01:12:30,420 oh, okay. Yeah, this is this is not for the faint of heart. This 1079 01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:33,990 is, this is probably the disseration This is a sidekick, 1080 01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:37,860 sidekick. It's the Federation stuff. Yeah, it's how many 1081 01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:43,500 processes failed and queued. I love that term. N q not cute, 1082 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,750 and cute, and cute and cute. 1083 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,470 You need to you need to close that page right now. 1084 01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:53,280 I do want to let us thank some of the people who have 1085 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:59,010 enthusiastically supported podcasts index.org. The this 1086 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,480 podcast that goes with it. The Mastadon which now has search, 1087 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:10,560 that was an extra 29 bucks a month? 2995 Yeah, well, I got to 1088 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:17,430 if I ordered within 30 minutes. On TV, as seen on TV. It's this 1089 01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:21,780 is the value for value system. All we ask for is what value are 1090 01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:26,160 you getting out of the entire project and put that into time 1091 01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,740 talent or treasure or a combination of all three? Of 1092 01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:31,770 course, we have lots of people spending time, lots of people 1093 01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:35,100 spending their talent, and so beautiful to see people 1094 01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,040 supporting us with finances which we need otherwise, you 1095 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:43,080 know, otherwise it stops eventually. And I love the 1096 01:13:43,170 --> 01:13:46,920 recurring subscriptions people getting certain basically buying 1097 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,000 a server space which Yeah, it's yeah, it's like it's almost it's 1098 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,860 like the other side to the Amazon Spot Instances. Does that 1099 01:13:55,860 --> 01:13:58,500 make any sense? It's like we have almost like a balance. 1100 01:13:58,530 --> 01:14:02,730 Yeah, like we we we spin up a spot instance and there's a $20 1101 01:14:02,730 --> 01:14:05,880 a month offset. It's really interesting how that works. And 1102 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,790 I love it personally is great. Like a carbon offset is a 1103 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:12,600 server. It's a server credit offset. Yes. Exists server 1104 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:12,960 credit. 1105 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:18,630 Yeah. The Yeah. I love that because we like it only really 1106 01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:23,970 takes. I mean like if if you have 20 people that do here 25 1107 01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:28,980 People that do $10 a month. It's done. Like it's really not it's 1108 01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:33,300 it's a low bar. It's so easy. No, it doesn't mean our hosting 1109 01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:35,640 fees. We intentionally keep them as low as possible. 1110 01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:38,460 Oh, you're the master. You're the master of the hosting fees. 1111 01:14:39,780 --> 01:14:45,600 Stay. Steve Webb is the master of giving us $50 $50 donation. 1112 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:51,840 Steve God bless you. He is one of the original God casters have 1113 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,890 known him for a long, long time. Very heated his beautiful wife 1114 01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:59,820 very, very sweet of you, Steve. Thank you. He's long long term 1115 01:14:59,820 --> 01:15:02,820 believe You've heard in what we're doing. Oh, that's great. 1116 01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:08,100 By the way, tell it if, if we missed anybody at the beginning, 1117 01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,920 like the first couple of ships, you got to email us. Yeah. Tell 1118 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,220 us because we may have forgotten to credit you. It was where we 1119 01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:15,540 were in, in chaos. 1120 01:15:16,710 --> 01:15:18,720 Just startup chaos. 1121 01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:25,080 Todd Todd May May thin or mathan. He said that he he 1122 01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:29,820 taught math and yeah, he said he was original here for the for 1123 01:15:29,820 --> 01:15:30,540 the iPod 1124 01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:37,050 or he ran it he hand coded his OPML node for what country is he 1125 01:15:37,050 --> 01:15:38,490 in? Does it say What country is in 1126 01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:41,700 a said on the mastodon but it's not in the email? So I don't 1127 01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:41,940 remember 1128 01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:44,250 because I think he was I don't know if he was in the US. But 1129 01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:46,980 yes. Oh, it's so nice. Nice to end. Yes. And I do remember on 1130 01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:51,570 the on podcast, index dot social. Yeah, we had that all 1131 01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:55,440 set up with the directory was it was the the early podcasts 1132 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,700 index.org, which was very manual. its execution. 1133 01:16:00,180 --> 01:16:02,520 But you kind of miss it too, though, right. I mean, it's 1134 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,080 like, why simple. 1135 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,900 When you and I were first talking about this project, you 1136 01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:09,570 know, we discussed the deep and we talked about it, how 1137 01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:12,990 beautiful that was? That? Yeah, you could just do these include 1138 01:16:12,990 --> 01:16:16,740 nodes. And you could just have this this outline that goes on 1139 01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:19,710 forever. And you can you know, it was like, it was like Gopher, 1140 01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:21,510 it was just like, 1141 01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:26,310 I've got all the podcasts and in South America, and there's, 1142 01:16:26,460 --> 01:16:27,480 there's 18 of them. 1143 01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:32,580 But you know that we had him? Yeah, that's for sure. That's 1144 01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:33,180 for sure. 1145 01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:37,260 Todd, thanks for the $20 month automatic payment. We get one 1146 01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:47,070 aggregator left. And it's all yours, baby. The see 10 $10 a 1147 01:16:47,070 --> 01:16:49,590 month now. Sorry, it's not $10 By 1148 01:16:49,589 --> 01:16:53,099 the way, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Yeah, he actually 1149 01:16:53,099 --> 01:16:57,479 taught I'm just looking at him. Todd mathan. He posted a 1150 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:05,609 screenshot of an email from 11th of October 2004. I know. I know 1151 01:17:05,639 --> 01:17:08,489 where he says believe he still has the email. What is wrong 1152 01:17:08,489 --> 01:17:12,269 with you, Todd? He says, Hey, Adam, I'd be happy to help out 1153 01:17:12,269 --> 01:17:15,329 with a quote radio category in the podcast directory. I've got 1154 01:17:15,329 --> 01:17:18,749 an OPML editor, my own server and I said go for it. Just send 1155 01:17:18,749 --> 01:17:22,499 me the URL to the OPML. Thanks. That's how we roll baby. That 1156 01:17:22,499 --> 01:17:26,789 was it. That was it. Oh, man. 1157 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,110 What a time capsule? 1158 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,090 Yes. Beautiful. Nice. Very cool. 1159 01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:36,330 See adventures and audio. Send us $10 donation. 1160 01:17:36,389 --> 01:17:37,829 Thank you very much. Any note? Thank 1161 01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:45,390 you. No, no. I don't see a note. I didn't see. Michael Kimmerer 1162 01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,920 automatic payment $5.33 a month. 1163 01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:51,090 Thank you very much. 1164 01:17:51,780 --> 01:18:00,930 Thank you, Michael. Let's see. Pedro on calvess. I hope I 1165 01:18:00,930 --> 01:18:06,510 pronounced that right. He sent an autumn air he's got he did an 1166 01:18:06,510 --> 01:18:14,280 automatic subscription for $5 Thank you very much. I think the 1167 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:15,120 cops come and get me. 1168 01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:19,020 It's because of all that big Pay Pal money. You're rocking. 1169 01:18:19,020 --> 01:18:19,800 Rocking in there. It's 1170 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,310 like it's making a dent. It's making waves. 1171 01:18:23,519 --> 01:18:25,739 It's gotta be drug dealers over there. 1172 01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:32,550 See, we got a one time donation for $15 from Allison Hamel. 1173 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:35,880 Thank you. Thank you very much. I couldn't find a note. 1174 01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:39,450 Sent send us a note. If you want us to mention anything. Send it 1175 01:18:39,450 --> 01:18:41,310 we'll do it on the next episode for sure. 1176 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,950 Yeah, and then an anonymous donation for $11.11. 1177 01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:51,210 Ah, nothing like an 1111. I could use them all day. That's a 1178 01:18:51,210 --> 01:18:54,390 good luck. Donation. Do you ever see that? Do you ever block 1179 01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:56,640 1111? Are you one of those people who sees that? 1180 01:18:57,060 --> 01:18:59,310 No, I thought it was snake as I thought it was a bad luck 1181 01:18:59,310 --> 01:18:59,850 donation. 1182 01:19:00,150 --> 01:19:04,290 Oh, no. It's supposed to be synchronicity. Oh, yeah. When 1183 01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:07,200 you see 1111 That's supposed to be new that you're you're 1184 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,600 clicking in in harmony with the universe? 1185 01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:13,950 No, I didn't get that at all. My pessimism completely took over. 1186 01:19:14,130 --> 01:19:17,970 Okay. Well, that's it. That's what we asked. Well, 1187 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:22,140 that's a good list that we really appreciate it. Thank you. 1188 01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:24,120 Thank you so much value for value. You're going to be 1189 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,810 hearing this a lot from us as we move forward, because 1190 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,980 ultimately, the idea is to turn that into something a little 1191 01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:37,740 more tangible for everybody the value for value. Right. Well, 1192 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:45,090 here's. I will. I will. What else do you have on your list? I 1193 01:19:45,090 --> 01:19:47,970 got some clips. You wanna do some clips for sure. For sure 1194 01:19:47,970 --> 01:19:48,600 which I got. 1195 01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:58,020 So did you find my sheet here? Did you hear about the four I 1196 01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:01,470 think you heard about the four q&a on podcasts that Spotify 1197 01:20:01,470 --> 01:20:02,070 removed, right? 1198 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,250 Yes, I immediately took that as an opportunity to horror out 1199 01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:10,590 podcast index.org and associated apps and developers. And yes, of 1200 01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:14,670 course, I took that immediately. You bet as you should, as you 1201 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:19,260 said, that's even when Joe Rogan's Alex Jones episode 1202 01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:23,730 didn't pop up or got removed or whatever the story was. There 1203 01:20:23,730 --> 01:20:26,610 was a lot of all of a sudden oh my god, it's gone. I immediately 1204 01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:31,200 posted if you're looking for episode 1555 of JRE is right 1205 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,010 over here. 1206 01:20:33,390 --> 01:20:40,890 So that the okay so they removed for Q anon podcasts is how is 1207 01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:41,400 that was? Well, 1208 01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,950 that's how they categorize it. Right. They say it was Q anon 1209 01:20:43,950 --> 01:20:45,600 podcast. Yeah. Well, I 1210 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:51,600 went and listened to each one of them. And by the way, I deserve 1211 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:57,510 $10 a month, just for having to listen to some of these podcasts 1212 01:20:57,540 --> 01:21:02,610 every week to get clips. somebody owes me money for this. 1213 01:21:02,940 --> 01:21:05,850 Because sometimes it is painful to listen to. 1214 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,380 I like to x 22. I've listened to x 22. And I've, and I've 1215 01:21:10,380 --> 01:21:16,860 followed Praying Medic, on on Twitter. I think he's gone from 1216 01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:20,430 Twitter. And so I kind of lost the and the reason why I do it 1217 01:21:20,430 --> 01:21:23,910 is just to check in. See what's going on with the Q anon people. 1218 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:24,330 Now. 1219 01:21:26,220 --> 01:21:29,730 When I say terrible podcasts I'm really talking about you've got 1220 01:21:29,730 --> 01:21:35,220 one ISO in there. No, yes. Yeah, drop it. That must have been 1221 01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:36,390 tough for you. 1222 01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:39,030 Podcast. Is that a q&a on 1223 01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:45,420 podcast? No. That's from a podcast called mom knows best 1224 01:21:45,420 --> 01:21:47,550 from the Dance Moms moms. 1225 01:21:47,790 --> 01:21:49,410 So Oh, my goodness. 1226 01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:52,350 I don't even know how I ended up there. I think he was on cast 1227 01:21:52,350 --> 01:21:54,120 coverage or something like that. And you say 1228 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:59,250 something about the Todd keeping his email since 2004. I don't 1229 01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:02,730 know what you're doing in your free time. Check yourself. 1230 01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:11,430 Okay. So my theory is that I mean, I think I listened to one 1231 01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:15,090 episode of each one of these four that got removed. And 1232 01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:21,660 there's nothing there. I mean, like it, it's not. These are so 1233 01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:27,390 play I think clip. I think clip one Q anon one is x 22. 1234 01:22:27,690 --> 01:22:30,810 Let's talk about prepared with the elections only weeks away. 1235 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,630 We all know we need to be prepared for the worst civil 1236 01:22:33,630 --> 01:22:36,390 unrest is getting so ugly and sponsor to bring the entire 1237 01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:38,760 system to its knees, we know what the deep state's going to 1238 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,220 do. We know that they're going to be pushing the second wave of 1239 01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:44,550 COVID 19 grocery stores and food manufacturers are already 1240 01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:47,160 preparing themselves for nationwide panic, will you be 1241 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,860 ready, don't wait until it's too late. Remember the toilet paper 1242 01:22:49,860 --> 01:22:53,760 shortage, I urge you to visit prepare with x 20 two.com. and 1243 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,070 build your emergency fund. And you need 1244 01:22:56,070 --> 01:23:01,740 to seeds is basically just a emergency food supplies. That's 1245 01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:07,110 what that's that's what this was. I mean, like, I know, x 22. 1246 01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:10,830 It may be a good podcast, but like, that's basically what 1247 01:23:10,830 --> 01:23:14,820 you're gonna get. So there's not going to be anybody fooled into 1248 01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:18,780 go into shooting up a place, or doing committing some crime by 1249 01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:23,700 listening to this podcast there. The what I think is going on is 1250 01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:28,980 basically they just they needed. Spotify needed some they needed 1251 01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:32,490 to get rid of somebody, they needed to drop the banhammer on 1252 01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:36,990 somebody. And so they just picked a few unfortunate 1253 01:23:36,990 --> 01:23:42,750 podcasts. Because q anon was an easy target. And they're like, 1254 01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:46,290 Okay, we're just gonna get rid of these as an as examples 1255 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,700 because our main show, the one we spent 100 million on Joe 1256 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:59,700 Rogan. We can't we we can't survive the PR of taking him 1257 01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:03,180 down. And all of our internal employees are freaking out. 1258 01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:05,190 They're trying to unionize. They're doing all this kind of 1259 01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:09,450 stuff because they hate Joe Rogan. But in order to appeal 1260 01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:13,230 and we can't but we can't take him down. So in order to you 1261 01:24:13,230 --> 01:24:15,780 don't want to have that would be like another Conan O'Brien 1262 01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:21,360 moment. So you so what they're doing like, look, we we can't 1263 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,590 take down Joe Rogan. But here's four Q anon podcasts. See, these 1264 01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:28,710 guys are terrible. Let's take them off the air. Okay. That's 1265 01:24:28,710 --> 01:24:29,430 the way I read it. 1266 01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:34,170 All right. So I make a study of this. And there's a couple of 1267 01:24:34,170 --> 01:24:39,870 things going on. One let's talk about Joe Rogan for a second 1268 01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:43,260 because there's something going on with him. And I consider him 1269 01:24:43,260 --> 01:24:45,780 to be a friend, not a best friend or anything but we talk 1270 01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:55,470 we text we whatever. If you look at his most recent podcasts, the 1271 01:24:55,470 --> 01:24:59,910 one with Kanye West now I speak Kanye so I enjoyed that very 1272 01:24:59,910 --> 01:25:02,790 much Watch you got to you got to speak Kanye. I've had a year and 1273 01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:06,210 a half education for mo to understand just the the topics 1274 01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:11,070 that he brooches. But certainly in the Alex Jones, Tim Dylan 1275 01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:17,670 example. He was fact checking everything that was said, Every 1276 01:25:17,670 --> 01:25:22,860 four minutes five minutes that Jamie, is this true? Now this is 1277 01:25:22,890 --> 01:25:28,500 a problem that Joe has created for himself. Because the eyes on 1278 01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:33,690 him, he you know, the there's a lot of people within the Spotify 1279 01:25:33,690 --> 01:25:36,450 organization as you then that's absolutely true. There's a lot 1280 01:25:36,450 --> 01:25:40,650 of internal issues with that doesn't even matter why or if 1281 01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:43,140 it's right, or if it's wrong, it's just a fact is what it is. 1282 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:52,440 And his way to combat that is by trying to fact check, you know, 1283 01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:55,980 weird, crazy, outrageous stuff so that he later can at least 1284 01:25:55,980 --> 01:26:00,600 say, well, we fact check that this is very destructive to his 1285 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:05,430 entire format. And he will have to stop or people will stop 1286 01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:11,250 watching slash listening. It is disruptive to his format. very 1287 01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:14,520 disruptive. There's always been some level of the young Jamie, 1288 01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:19,290 looking stuff up. But now fact checking. I mean, it's the 1289 01:26:19,290 --> 01:26:23,160 possibly the worst thing you can do. Because for every fact 1290 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,400 check, we've got a fact check false. You can fact check 1291 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,300 anything from any page anywhere. And it's a never ending story. 1292 01:26:30,570 --> 01:26:33,570 And what he's doing is he's disrupting his flow and his 1293 01:26:33,570 --> 01:26:37,440 interview. And that is because he's on Spotify. That yeah, 1294 01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:42,180 that's because Joe is a really, really nice guy. He's really a 1295 01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:46,950 sweet guy. I know him. He doesn't want to offend people, 1296 01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:52,980 he wants to try and keep all sides kind of imbalance. It just 1297 01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:57,420 doesn't work that way. It's you know, you if you try to straddle 1298 01:26:57,420 --> 01:26:59,970 you just it's just gonna wind up mediocre. So we have to figure 1299 01:26:59,970 --> 01:27:03,900 that out. But that is because of the Spotify move. I would hate 1300 01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:07,620 to wake up every single morning. Like, what are they bitching 1301 01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:12,000 about now? There's just a lot of negativity. The Q anon thing 1302 01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:15,810 stems from a different issue. From a lie, a lie that was 1303 01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:21,090 created and propagated My day job is deconstructing media. And 1304 01:27:21,150 --> 01:27:26,280 where it really started was with the town hall in Florida with 1305 01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:31,080 President Trump and Savannah Guthrie, and this is where it 1306 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:31,590 started. 1307 01:27:32,460 --> 01:27:37,290 Denouncing let me ask you about Q anon. It is this theory that 1308 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,840 Democrats are a satanic pedophile ring and that you are 1309 01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,660 the Savior that this 1310 01:27:45,690 --> 01:27:49,230 I followed Q anon from the beginning. It has never been 1311 01:27:49,230 --> 01:27:54,660 about Democrats. Yeah. But they've created this lie. And I 1312 01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:58,350 think the first time I really saw it big was here. And 1313 01:27:58,650 --> 01:28:03,930 Democrats, and it was interesting. I didn't clip it. I 1314 01:28:03,930 --> 01:28:08,820 don't think but on Saturday Night Live, when they did the, 1315 01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:14,940 the take off of that town hall. They actually had Alec Baldwin 1316 01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:18,300 as the Trump character saying it's Democrats, Democrats, 1317 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:22,920 satanic children, which Trump never said. So they have turned 1318 01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:27,570 this into a well, this is political, because they're 1319 01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:32,940 saying Democrats, I would challenge anybody to find 1320 01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:35,760 something that says specifically, it's just 1321 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:41,880 Democrats, if anything is Hollywood celebrities. People 1322 01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:49,320 like Zuckerberg, Tom Hanks, Madonna, you know, these people 1323 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:54,240 may be Democrats. But that was I've never heard this specified 1324 01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:59,610 as it's only Democrats, and who was a big relationship over at 1325 01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:07,500 Spotify. Higher Higher Ground productions, Michelle and Barack 1326 01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:12,540 Obama. So there was a power play and the power play went all the 1327 01:29:12,540 --> 01:29:16,470 way through even though it was it's disingenuous, and really 1328 01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:23,520 created in my mainstream media because cue I never saw this 1329 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:28,110 distinction. And now maybe it's just out there. And that's what 1330 01:29:28,110 --> 01:29:33,240 it will be forever, because now I hear people's I even heard, I 1331 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:40,020 heard Todd and Rob on, I guess was the new media show talking 1332 01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:44,520 about this very issue. And they stated as fact. Well, it's 1333 01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,240 political because it's about Democrats doing such so it's out 1334 01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,630 there. It's already been cemented in people's minds. This 1335 01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:55,200 was a political move. I believe that there's already enough 1336 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,380 trouble with the Michelle Obama podcast not getting the reach it 1337 01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:02,100 does. They can tell me all that they want about it. That's the 1338 01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:06,630 number to podcast. I think it's baloney. This was a power play, 1339 01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:11,280 someone got pissed off, and then something had to fall. So in 1340 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:15,330 that part, you're correct. And, and somehow pressure was 1341 01:30:15,330 --> 01:30:20,070 applied. Because Oh, my God, there. And I think that people 1342 01:30:20,070 --> 01:30:26,100 who were asked for this and were responsible for the delisting 1343 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,370 probably believe it's only about Democrats, and they've never 1344 01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:31,140 looked into it and never listened to it. 1345 01:30:31,469 --> 01:30:36,599 So it's like an accident. It's like, an accident of of news 1346 01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:40,979 cemented this connection. And now they have to go, they have 1347 01:30:40,979 --> 01:30:41,579 to defend it. 1348 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,210 Yes, and it will be that way forever. And these things happen 1349 01:30:45,210 --> 01:30:48,270 all the time. It's often by accident. But this was 1350 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:52,470 purposeful, purposeful, purposefully turned into that to 1351 01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:54,420 get rid of it. And 1352 01:30:54,660 --> 01:30:57,690 they must have, they must have just a console, then that just 1353 01:30:57,690 --> 01:31:01,740 says, like, where you can just search for stuff, and hit the 1354 01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:06,180 Delete button, because somebody just said Q anon. And then they 1355 01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:08,610 found like four podcasts and they just like, Okay, we'll take 1356 01:31:08,610 --> 01:31:12,600 the top four, because one of these was podcast called 1357 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,690 indigenous mic. And I think it's, I think that may be 1358 01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:16,500 clipped for. 1359 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,950 Hey, what's going on beautiful people. Thank you so much for 1360 01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:31,620 tuning in today. I'm your host, indigenous Mike. And today, I 1361 01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:37,290 want to focus on Democrats having faith, having strength 1362 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:45,870 and finding yourself evil. So over the past few years, 1363 01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:49,170 I want to hear it now. I want to hear the rest of it. I have 1364 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:56,640 been finding myself, I have been realizing the true potential of 1365 01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,280 myself and every other person on this planet. 1366 01:31:59,429 --> 01:32:04,919 Clearly dangerous speech going on. Yeah, clearly dangerous, 1367 01:32:05,130 --> 01:32:09,060 is the worst sort of hate speech that I've ever heard. I don't 1368 01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:11,340 even know. I mean, like, this guy's just, and this was an M 1369 01:32:11,340 --> 01:32:14,580 for a, by the way, audio was greatly three. So I mean, 1370 01:32:14,580 --> 01:32:18,420 clearly this person is just indigenous mind. He's just, this 1371 01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:19,440 is one token into his. 1372 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,910 So we need to talk about this briefly. Section 230 of the 1373 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:31,110 Communications Decency Act from 1996. I'm a student of this. And 1374 01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:36,120 it's incredibly important to podcast index.org, that we 1375 01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:42,000 maintain this protection under Section 230. Which means we 1376 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,630 cannot be held liable for anything that is uploaded to our 1377 01:32:45,630 --> 01:32:50,790 platform. Now, we may get a government request for something 1378 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:57,510 which I don't know, I don't know. How, how if or when that 1379 01:32:57,510 --> 01:33:01,020 will come about. I guarantee you we're going to have all kinds of 1380 01:33:01,050 --> 01:33:06,780 shit coming our way. It will happen. And it was an 1381 01:33:06,780 --> 01:33:09,930 interesting. That sounds great in the noise gate. 1382 01:33:12,270 --> 01:33:13,620 Flanger I 1383 01:33:13,620 --> 01:33:17,070 guarantee you that will happen. But I just want to state one 1384 01:33:17,070 --> 01:33:20,610 thing. There is no legal definition of hate speech. 1385 01:33:20,730 --> 01:33:24,570 There's no legal definition of it. And I was extremely 1386 01:33:24,570 --> 01:33:31,230 disappointed to see our senators and everybody else circle 1387 01:33:31,230 --> 01:33:39,330 jerking around with Pichai and Zuckerberg and and Dorsey and 1388 01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:43,380 actually discussing the concept of hate speech as if it's a 1389 01:33:43,380 --> 01:33:50,490 thing and I will put my neck on the line for any kind of speech. 1390 01:33:50,820 --> 01:33:55,020 I don't care what it is we have constitutional things that are a 1391 01:33:55,020 --> 01:33:59,250 problem. Literally inciting violence. I mean, that's that 1392 01:33:59,250 --> 01:34:02,670 that's clearly spelled out what those exceptions are. But 1393 01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:06,990 everything else I will I will stick I will stake a lot on that 1394 01:34:06,990 --> 01:34:10,320 so there's nothing is going to get taken down or removed. This 1395 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:15,870 is this is very destructive what Spotify and Apple and others are 1396 01:34:15,870 --> 01:34:19,020 doing. It's very, very, very, very bad. 1397 01:34:19,890 --> 01:34:24,390 If you've been reading I'm sure you have Tybee and greenwell's 1398 01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:26,520 articles lately have 1399 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,220 course on the subject. Yeah, yeah, he's, 1400 01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:33,810 let's see was this Yeah, this is from Greenwald's thing 1401 01:34:33,810 --> 01:34:40,650 yesterday, he says. This was not an easy choice, and voluntarily 1402 01:34:40,650 --> 01:34:43,350 sacrificing the support of large institution and guaranteed 1403 01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:45,750 salary in exchange for nothing other than unbelief that there 1404 01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:48,750 are enough people who believe in the virtues of independent 1405 01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:51,600 journalism and the need for free discourse who will be willing to 1406 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,250 support my work by subscribing to like a think that was 1407 01:34:56,250 --> 01:35:00,450 happening. There's this talk about well, the to private 1408 01:35:00,450 --> 01:35:05,430 companies, and it's not a matter of free speech because this is 1409 01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:11,790 not the government. But what you seen with Greenwald, anti Eb, 1410 01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:17,520 especially Mata ABC has been, he's been showing how the news 1411 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:22,380 media has become more and more concentrated in in tech just lit 1412 01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:25,830 the flame like it just it was a gasoline and tank just lit it up 1413 01:35:26,190 --> 01:35:32,310 to where almost all local media has been decimated. So there 1414 01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:37,320 there is, yes, these are private companies. But they've become 1415 01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,220 really over the last seven to eight years, maybe 10 years, 1416 01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:46,260 they've become the default funnel for all speech gets 1417 01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:50,400 pushed through, really these three companies mainly Twitter, 1418 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,930 Facebook, Google. I mean, there's, yes, they're private 1419 01:35:54,930 --> 01:35:58,860 companies. But when they put all other local media out of 1420 01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:03,570 business, then they have basically vacuumed it all up. 1421 01:36:03,570 --> 01:36:07,770 And they they took the space that local media had like here 1422 01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:12,180 in Birmingham, Alabama, we had going his you know, 1423 01:36:12,180 --> 01:36:15,150 historically, we had two major newspapers at the post Herald 1424 01:36:15,150 --> 01:36:18,960 and Birmingham News. And they're both gone. Yeah. I mean, the 1425 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,350 Birmingham News building, it was a huge building that they built 1426 01:36:22,350 --> 01:36:25,500 about, I guess, about 20 years ago. And it's now an insurance 1427 01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:29,490 company. There's for all practical purposes, there is no 1428 01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:31,410 newspaper in Birmingham anymore. 1429 01:36:32,219 --> 01:36:34,889 Right, but a bit sure there's a couple of good blogs. 1430 01:36:35,489 --> 01:36:38,819 Oh, yeah. Well, aol.com is the is the website for all news 1431 01:36:38,819 --> 01:36:41,969 here. And it's just, you know, they just kind of scooped up all 1432 01:36:41,969 --> 01:36:44,789 the leftover reporters from the various newspapers like 1433 01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:49,890 we this is who I could talk for hours about this, however, yeah. 1434 01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:57,090 I'm just looking at federated Mastodon servers or pour out 1435 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,030 fluorine, plural, whatever it's called. 1436 01:37:00,450 --> 01:37:01,860 Aroma pluralism. 1437 01:37:02,670 --> 01:37:06,660 That's another kind of new social, whatever it is. Yeah. 1438 01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:13,110 That's much bigger than it was I mean, that's grown. So I'm, I'm 1439 01:37:13,110 --> 01:37:16,290 much less of a oh my god, they're censoring us. I'm like, 1440 01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:23,250 I'm gonna have my conversation somewhere else. It is. It is an 1441 01:37:23,250 --> 01:37:30,270 educational issue that people are headline readers. And it's 1442 01:37:30,270 --> 01:37:35,550 slowly these are slow processes, but to have Greenwald, and tyy 1443 01:37:35,550 --> 01:37:41,640 be, and there'll be more. Okay, how about Megyn Kelly, now she 1444 01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,390 got a huge pay day. But Megyn Kelly on the podcast, 1445 01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:51,360 unrestricted is dynamite. She I mean, she's really good. I was 1446 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:54,510 always like, yeah, and I don't get I don't really care too much 1447 01:37:54,510 --> 01:37:58,470 for, right. But when she's her unrestricted self, she's a great 1448 01:37:58,470 --> 01:38:03,000 journalist. She doesn't actually really create an outstanding 1449 01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,400 product. Now she's gonna get into her trouble because she's 1450 01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:09,090 got legacy box and other sponsors. She doesn't need a 1451 01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:13,350 sponsor. I think she got $60 million pay off to leave NBC or 1452 01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:17,640 CBS versus do it for fun. Yeah, but she's doing it. She's she's 1453 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:25,350 taking it very seriously. We have enough uptake. True. I 1454 01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:28,170 mean, as you've pointed out, there's at least 40% of the 1455 01:38:28,170 --> 01:38:33,570 market of the podcast market that we can, can work with. Now 1456 01:38:33,570 --> 01:38:37,320 we need a couple of things. First of all, we need to free 1457 01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,260 podcasting from corporate control. This is what's taking 1458 01:38:40,260 --> 01:38:42,870 place, we can all say it's, you know, we can pretend it's not 1459 01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:48,150 happening. Spotify is the furthest along. Amazon is trying 1460 01:38:48,150 --> 01:38:51,750 to figure it out, they may never figure it out. Google believes 1461 01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:55,590 they own it anyway. Because it's on the internet. So it's there's 1462 01:38:56,130 --> 01:39:00,750 I Heart Radio, pathetic attempt at trying to save a company 1463 01:39:00,750 --> 01:39:03,120 that's leveraged with billions of dollars they can't afford, 1464 01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,910 I'm sorry, it's not going to be not going to be a happy ending 1465 01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:14,250 for them. And the leftover is Apple, who will probably 1466 01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:17,370 innovate for as you've pointed out, podcasts, plus, we've got 1467 01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,670 Apple TV plus, we got all kinds of plus stuff. So they'll 1468 01:39:20,670 --> 01:39:23,910 probably do their own version because people believe that they 1469 01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:29,010 can make money off of a network of shows, which I know doesn't 1470 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:35,220 work in this new paradigm. So we in order to succeed, we have to 1471 01:39:35,220 --> 01:39:39,060 free podcasting from corporate control. And here's the big one. 1472 01:39:39,090 --> 01:39:41,970 Not for today's show. But we're going to talk about it integrate 1473 01:39:41,970 --> 01:39:47,640 decentralized content with decentralized money. Yeah. And 1474 01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:50,790 through that, we're going to be building a self sustaining 1475 01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:54,540 ecosystem for podcasting. You know, the index is kind of 1476 01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:57,390 running by its own right now because the servers are paid 1477 01:39:57,390 --> 01:40:02,490 for. You're not paid for. Yeah. I have Eric back office, he's 1478 01:40:02,490 --> 01:40:05,430 gonna be doing lots of legal stuff he's not paid for. So we 1479 01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:08,400 need to have a system, everybody needs to get a pay day, we might 1480 01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:13,530 as well just all quit. But I believe in my core in my core, 1481 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:18,450 we can make this happen. And I love doing these numbers for 1482 01:40:18,450 --> 01:40:21,570 everybody. And I'll leave it at that. Because I think we've done 1483 01:40:21,570 --> 01:40:26,310 it before. There are 100 million podcast listeners in the US. 1484 01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:30,180 That's the IAB statistics. On average, those 100 million 1485 01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:34,170 people listen to one hour a day, seven days a week or one hour a 1486 01:40:34,170 --> 01:40:40,110 day, people listen, if we can convert 1% of those 100 million 1487 01:40:40,110 --> 01:40:46,770 people. And the conversion for no agenda is like 3%. So of all 1488 01:40:46,770 --> 01:40:50,580 the people we have, we've converted 3% to send us money 1489 01:40:50,580 --> 01:40:55,530 directly send actual monetary value, forgetting all that, oh, 1490 01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:58,290 setting aside all the things that people do, that would cost 1491 01:40:58,290 --> 01:41:03,630 us money, the pure money, I think we can convert 1% of the 1492 01:41:03,630 --> 01:41:08,610 100 million podcast listeners to support the shows they listened 1493 01:41:08,610 --> 01:41:14,310 to in a frictionless manner. So if we can convert 1% to 1494 01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:20,310 podcasting 2.0. And we say we value, one hour of listening at 1495 01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:26,730 $1 per hour, we're talking about a million dollars a day that can 1496 01:41:26,730 --> 01:41:32,010 flow through to podcasters app developers and hosting 1497 01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:35,880 companies. And a little piece of everybody that is a part of it 1498 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:40,920 can participate in this flow. I think we have a way to capture 1499 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:45,180 it. This is not going to be easy. But we need a next 1500 01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:49,050 generation solution for the next problem, or the really the next 1501 01:41:49,290 --> 01:41:54,000 phase of media. Nothing, all of this is going to go away these 1502 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,080 advertising advertisements. It's all going to change. It's not 1503 01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:02,610 going to be a successful look. They've had 15 years. It's not a 1504 01:42:02,610 --> 01:42:06,840 billion dollar business yet. No, it's not going to be a billion 1505 01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,100 dollar business. YouTube is having an incredible problem 1506 01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:14,790 right now you know what their problem is? They need to go up 1507 01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:19,890 5% for their quarterly revenue. They are they have no more 1508 01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:21,930 content to stick their ads on. 1509 01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:24,180 It's so saturated. 1510 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:28,590 They're doing they're doing three ad breaks before before 1511 01:42:28,590 --> 01:42:31,260 you see the video. They're showing political ads on 1512 01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:32,640 children's programming. 1513 01:42:33,090 --> 01:42:36,360 It's a reverse inventory problem. Yes, exactly. 1514 01:42:36,450 --> 01:42:39,660 They literally don't have the inventory. They've oversold 1515 01:42:39,660 --> 01:42:42,570 everything. So now they have to start jamming it up. Everybody's 1516 01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:46,470 bought it. And you know what happens? People go to bid shoot. 1517 01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:50,520 You know what, yeah, you know, what happens with when people 1518 01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:54,450 get sick and tired of Twitter? Some it's gonna be on the 1519 01:42:54,450 --> 01:42:58,710 blockchain or god knows what, you cannot stop this. 1520 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,310 You know, we're guessing we'll be on the blockchain to pot I 1521 01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:06,120 have no doubt in mine. In my mind podcast subscriptions will 1522 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:11,070 be on some form of blockchain or, or DHT space or whatever, 1523 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:16,800 whatever it is, we will overcome these issues. But we have to be 1524 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,850 fearless and we have to move ahead with big, big brass balls. 1525 01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:31,380 Which I love doing. Big brass balls. I could put instead of 1526 01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:34,410 here come the pioneers, big brass balls. Yeah, much chapter 1527 01:43:34,410 --> 01:43:38,850 marker. I'm just chapter. Okay, I'll make it as a chapter 1528 01:43:38,850 --> 01:43:43,860 marker. There you go. That's an even funnier idea. So and I'm 1529 01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:48,150 super excited. And we have work to do, you know, we have to 1530 01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:54,270 figure out Dave and I have been working on the decentralized 1531 01:43:54,270 --> 01:44:00,090 money part. And we cannot wait to show everybody how it works. 1532 01:44:00,090 --> 01:44:04,290 And we're still finalizing bits and pieces. If we're a proof of 1533 01:44:04,290 --> 01:44:09,150 concept, which works. But we can't do any of it until we have 1534 01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:14,940 figured out how to work between toolmakers hosters app 1535 01:44:14,940 --> 01:44:18,810 developers and producers and listeners, we haven't quite 1536 01:44:18,810 --> 01:44:23,580 close that loop yet. We we really accelerated this week. 1537 01:44:24,510 --> 01:44:28,860 With with with, with just understanding the problem and 1538 01:44:28,860 --> 01:44:30,690 starting to create some fixes for it. 1539 01:44:31,620 --> 01:44:35,490 We just gotta be it's gotta be something that it's got to be 1540 01:44:35,490 --> 01:44:39,420 able to touch every person in the chain from their listener 1541 01:44:39,420 --> 01:44:42,840 all the way through to the Creator. And it's got to also be 1542 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:48,150 something that is not that is not controlled by any one 1543 01:44:48,150 --> 01:44:51,720 person. It's got to be something that we can all fit anybody can 1544 01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,380 lift dropped down on their own system. It's not it's got to be 1545 01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:58,740 something that's not we're going to run our piece of it, but it's 1546 01:44:58,740 --> 01:45:02,400 not going to be something that that, oh, that's just you know, 1547 01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,670 the podcast index thing. It's an old, it's got to be an open 1548 01:45:05,670 --> 01:45:07,980 spec, it's got to be because that's the only way I'll 1549 01:45:07,980 --> 01:45:08,550 survive. 1550 01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:15,210 And, and, and with that comes, like, we can't even start to 1551 01:45:15,210 --> 01:45:19,170 talk about it until we figured out how to agree on a namespace 1552 01:45:19,170 --> 01:45:22,350 element, and how to get it implemented and working and 1553 01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:27,450 tested and iterated and iterated and iterated. Again, if we can't 1554 01:45:27,450 --> 01:45:35,910 do that properly, with host and guest tags, we're never, we're 1555 01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:40,620 never gonna, we're never gonna get anything else done. So, I'm 1556 01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:46,500 very excited about moving all of these and I'm focusing purely on 1557 01:45:46,500 --> 01:45:50,490 the tags where I can purely on the tags and the namespace. I 1558 01:45:50,490 --> 01:45:57,690 will do my best to create, to create use cases of, of these 1559 01:45:57,690 --> 01:46:00,240 different pieces of functionality, and I will 1560 01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:05,610 continue to be vocal about the problems I'm having. And I'll 1561 01:46:05,610 --> 01:46:08,490 add some wishlist things in there as well because, you know, 1562 01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:09,990 no one asked me, 1563 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:18,660 you know, I will continue to put put emojis in podcasters 1564 01:46:18,660 --> 01:46:19,320 excellent social. 1565 01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:22,980 Have you been doing emojis? 1566 01:46:23,820 --> 01:46:26,550 That's, it's gotta stop. 1567 01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:29,910 I can't I can't bring myself to do emojis. It's very difficult 1568 01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,870 to control. And whenever you do a smiley face old school that 1569 01:46:33,870 --> 01:46:35,700 always says, Did you mean this? 1570 01:46:36,210 --> 01:46:37,560 Yeah, like no, Arrow, 1571 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,500 Arrow, Arrow, key arrow key to the right. 1572 01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:45,660 All right, I gotta do some work. Yeah, you bet. Ready to wrap it? 1573 01:46:45,690 --> 01:46:46,050 Yeah. 1574 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,990 Anything else? Is there anything else that we can do for you if 1575 01:46:48,990 --> 01:46:50,130 there's something that you need? 1576 01:46:52,620 --> 01:46:56,040 I do need sleep. We had storms here. A couple of nights. Yeah, 1577 01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:56,280 that's 1578 01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,070 right. It was getting pretty close to you guys. Another 1579 01:46:59,070 --> 01:47:00,990 hurricane bullcrap. Now, 1580 01:47:01,050 --> 01:47:05,100 it hit about 45 minutes south of us. And it was the wind was 1581 01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:06,750 screaming up here and 1582 01:47:06,780 --> 01:47:07,770 Mia, you know, none 1583 01:47:07,770 --> 01:47:08,340 of my family 1584 01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,990 can't see it. All right, my brother. Happy Halloween. You 1585 01:47:12,990 --> 01:47:16,980 going out? Oh, yeah, we'll be taking their little girl. I'm 1586 01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:17,880 gonna go dressed as 1587 01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:25,470 namespace and be the contributor today. All right, Dave. Have a 1588 01:47:25,470 --> 01:47:28,920 great weekend, buddy. I'll talk to you next week. See everybody 1589 01:47:28,980 --> 01:47:30,960 on the next podcasting 2.0