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Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for
March 10 2023, episode 125 We

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got wolf nuts. Well, no SAP
streamers, welcome to podcasting

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2.0 Your weekly board meeting of
everything happening in

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podcasting. Of course 2.0 means
we've upgraded that and fully

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backwards compatible. And we're
also fully immune from Silicon

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Valley Bank contagion. That's
right. I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of Texas Oak Hill
Country. And in Alabama, the bud

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for your bowl say hello to my
friend on the other end, ladies

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and gentlemen, Mr. De

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Dave Jones: Jones. My my
umbrellas fine. There's no bank

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runs on it.

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Adam Curry: My wallets good.
Yeah, five by five. Oh, you did

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it. I had the air horn standby,
just in case. If you're gonna

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mess it up there.

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Dave Jones: In the pipe,
everything's looking good. On my

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side. We have full we have full
liquidity for all deposits.

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Adam Curry: We do everything all
everything, business as usual.

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Nothing to see here. Nothing has
gone down. Nothing has stopped.

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We continue to operate. You know
why? Because we have no creepy

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corporate money. We have no
advertising. We exist solely by

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Your grace in supporting
podcasting. 2.0 the pod the

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podcast and the project. And
we're lit. We're live everybody.

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streaming live?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, we had a
rather sudden we had a

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conference call before the show,
like we you know, like we do

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often. And it was read. It was
rather subdued in very, like,

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low energy to him like it was so
like, the energy was sapped out

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of me.

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Adam Curry: It was super. I
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it was nothing secret about it
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kind of nice. I know I think
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because I had asked for this
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months ago. No, no, maybe? No,
maybe December, something like

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that. It was a follow up with
with the Pocket Cast, folks.

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Dave Jones: And just to check in
and see what's Yeah, what's

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Adam Curry: they had Matt
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but you know, since they reached
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they're like, yeah, yeah, let's
do to do a call. And then they

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were all kind of waiting for us
to say stuff. And we're waiting

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for them to say stuff like,
well, let me tell you what we're

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doing that. But I mean, is it
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on implementing the namespace?
Is that was that public

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knowledge? And I just missed
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Dave Jones: I don't know. It was
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There was a lot of stuff that
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Adam Curry: We didn't. We didn't
know about. Yeah, they know a

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lot about stuff that we don't
know about, which is Oh, that's

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interesting. Also, the I think
the young lady who's in I guess

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she didn't charge her pocket
cash. She the project director

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sounded like it. Yeah, I think
she is. She she's in Vegas. So

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she was at, at the Vegas podcast
show. So maybe she was talking.

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We know, she was talking a lot
of people there.

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Dave Jones: It sounded like she
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gas from Alby and contracts and
all that, yeah, she,

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Adam Curry: they're, they're
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value. I'm not sure how pumped
they are about it, but they

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definitely like it. But they're
doing chapters about transcript

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support chapter support. This is
cool stuff. I love hearing this.

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This is a big, big app to that
to join all this stuff. So

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that's fantastic.

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Dave Jones: She said they're a
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group that we don't know.

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Adam Curry: We have no idea
who's running it. But she's

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like, we're really excited about
joining the podcast standards

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group. Oh, really? Okay, who

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Dave Jones: else is taking a
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like, I don't need you. It
sounds like you know more about

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it than I do. Which, you know,
honestly, is kind of exactly

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where I want it to be.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, I think that's
perfect. If there's a group

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that's being started, which I
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follow on from, from a previous
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came together that they're,
they're doing something so they

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can all be on the same page that
we love that I love. I love us

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running with scissors and being
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told them. Okay, yeah, no,
that's great. It's whatever the

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hosting companies want to do is
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scissors. We don't want any
constraints. We want to be able

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to poke our eye out

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Dave Jones: that we want to we
they get to look at all that

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they get to look at all the
stuff that we've done and decide

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which parts are insane and which
parts are actually usable for a

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business.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I think
they're almost all usable for

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business. Yes. I don't know.
Maybe it's just cartel forming.

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I don't know. Maybe, maybe
they're just cartels. We can

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show them for Rico, Rick?

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Dave Jones: Bizarre. Yeah,
that's a tie. And towards the

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Adam Curry: And we talked to him
about cross app comments and

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activity pub. And I guess they
they they are doing stuff with

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activity pub now. With the with
the WordPress plugin

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I think he
said that. They acquired it.

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Acquire Yeah. That plug in or
something. Yeah. Which I know

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some horror folks have used.
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they're moving and a lot of it
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the the meeting because then
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what they all they were doing
that we had no idea about. Yeah.

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So I felt kind of like halfway
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well, well, yeah, y'all are
doing all this stuff. We you

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don't need us. Why are we here?
That's the beautiful

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Adam Curry: thing. No one really
does need us. But I liked it.

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Matt paid attention, enough
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dialed into the meeting. That
was cool. And he laughed at our

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jokes. It's always nice. Always
good. Let's make a few make you

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feel special. I was actually
talking about Silicon Valley

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Bank beforehand, because if you
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Valley Bank, basically was
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Which if you if you know, I
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think or the day before even.
And so I don't typically watch

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CNBC that much. Certainly not in
the morning. Like yeah, I'm

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gonna check and see what's going
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It's like, yeah, you know,
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like, at 12 o'clock, or 1111 30.
It's been closed by regulators

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that went very, very fast. Which
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Dave Jones: Okay, wait, wait,
wait. You said it got closed?

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Adam Curry: it's close. Like
shut it down. It's defunct? It's

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now a dead bank. Oh,

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Dave Jones: because? Okay, so
the last article I read last

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read on it was last night,
either this morning, or this

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year, or last night, it said,
and it said the CEO was like,

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everybody stay calm.

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Adam Curry: Things are safe. No
worries where we heard that

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before. And then they shut it
down. Yeah, the regulator shut

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it down this morning, which
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I mean, it won't come back. It's
a dead bank now. And the reason

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why that happened, is over the
is, you know, they they

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overnight, they were like, hey,
you know, we're trying to raise

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$2 billion. Anyone interested?
And everyone, right? No, we're

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taking our money out. Because
you have to understand Silicon

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Valley Bank, I had an account
there. When we took our, our,

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let me see nothing, when when we
raise money for pod show slash

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bvo. The way it works is you
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give away a percentage of the
company for equity, for the

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money that you raise. And then
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to Silicon Valley Bank. And
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put the money you just raised,
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from one account and Silicon
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because all the big venture
capital guys have accounts their

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their general partners, their
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personally, not the smart ones
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them still have personal bank
accounts there. And the whole

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idea is that you raise your
money, which is always

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expensive, because you're giving
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then you can do debt financing,
based upon that raise that you

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have with a favored nation
status. So we raise money from

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Sequoia Capital, from Kleiner
Perkins from rom Shri ROM, I

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mean, these are all top notch
investors. And so then you can

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immediately go and get, you
know, 10 $10 million in debt

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financing. Because of that
relationship, many companies

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also run their payroll through
Silicon Valley Bank. So what has

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happened now is now it this is
the weird thing, it closed with

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the closer with $200 billion in
assets, and apparently only like

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150 billion in liability. So the
question now is, what is that

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asset number based on? Is it
FTX? Is it they have been

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involved with a lot of shit
coins, and I think now now it's

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coming to roost. So this bank
has basically failed, that has

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not happened since Lehman
Brothers in 2008. This is this

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is a much bigger deal. And I
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all these little companies, they
all have their money there, they

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were desperately trying to get
it out yesterday, some of them

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got money out, but most of them
didn't. So all they have left is

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$250,000, which is insured by
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you have. So this could put
companies out of business, we

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everyone has payroll coming up
in five days, that could screw

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up payroll that people literally
are not getting paid because the

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money was supposed to be sent
from Silicon Valley Bank, I mean

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this it could be a very, very,
very big problem. And of course,

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now we're going to find out, you
know, as we talked about

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contagion, how many banks or
instrument or derivatives were

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We're connected to the business
of Silicon Valley Bank was doing

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and that they involve much
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Dave Jones: This had to they had
to be the bank for FTX. They had

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Adam Curry: no they weren't.
That's what wired it because the

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first one that went down to
silver gate, and these are

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official banks, you know, banks
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crypto, most definitely, Silicon
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darling of all these bigger
crypto plays. And so they

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weren't, they weren't, you know,
they were running the money

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through that. And when FTX
closed, I think their exposure

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was over a billion dollars right
off the bat. And then then they

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have bonds, and then their bonds
become less desirable. So they

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were selling their bonds at a
loss. And then there just became

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a run on the bank. Peter Thiel
last night called up all of his

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companies that he's invested in
said, take your money out

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immediately. That's a bank run.
So definitely, that was a bank

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Dave Jones: That was a by Nance
move is what that was against

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Silicon Valley Bank. Could he be
the first guy to get out? wins?

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Always. Always you get all your
you get all your money. And

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after that, you just don't even
care that this this is gonna get

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worse because we. So you know, I
keep bringing up this book

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Secrets of the temple.

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Adam Curry: That yes, that
you've been reading, which is

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the chick repellent?

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Dave Jones: Yes. It's basically
Yeah, it's like, it's the Aquila

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is the literary equivalent of
garlic and across is what it is.

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So they, but it's, but it's
very, very good. And I love

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books like this, because it was
written. It was written in like

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1991. So this historical
perspective from this completely

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unpolluted by any modern
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that there's nobody left, who
has a hand who has a vested

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interest in covering things up
really, you know, that there

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kind of is over. So yes, called
Secrets of the temple by William

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Greider. And the one of the
things, the pictures, he paints

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of the inflationary period. That
is really a mirror of what we're

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going through now that he talks
about how they the Fed, they

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kept raising rates, and they
couldn't stop it. Right. They

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they got all the way they took
at some point, at one point they

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took the they took the governor
off. And they said, Okay, we're

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not going to moderate interest
rates, we're going to instead

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what we're going to do is we're
going to focus on bank reserves.

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So essentially, they were trying
to regulate the money supply

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directly. So they said, Okay,
we're not what we took when we

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deregulated and maximum interest
rate levels, because there used

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to be a maximum interest rate,
you could charge. And once that

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they said, Okay, we're going to
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rates. So the banks, it wasn't
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interest rates to 20% is that
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the when they took the governor,
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which they raise the rates, what
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nine months or something, which

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is incredibly fast. Everyone
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not not the banks. And they and
they went over that they just

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went over that. And that is
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no matter what, what I'm
suspicious of these, and I'm

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really not a banker. But the
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that is the banks just aren't
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that they hold. And I from what
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typically these banks have to
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through these so called stress
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they didn't have to have any
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Dave Jones: So there's a
difference there though. So they

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the small banks don't are not
under those onerous reserve

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requirements. But the big
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them that are under the so
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system. They're quote unquote,
systemic right banks, and those

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policy only if the if If the

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money markets if they if they're
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pretty much in irons, you know,
they've been trying to sell

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treasuries has been very hard to
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Dave Jones: What happened in
what happened in that effect?

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Adam Curry: I, by the way, I
hate it when you know so much

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about this stuff, it's really
annoying. So stop reading that

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Dave Jones: What happened, then,
you know, interest rates kept

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going up. And they could not
make the banks stop lending,

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because it got in if interest
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still being taken out at
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labor, they felt powerless to
make it stop. And what happened

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the, the, everybody when when
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to the public consciousness,
you, you feel like you have to

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go buy, because you got to get
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you want real goods, you want
you want hard assets, in order

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to protect yourself from the and
from the devaluation of your of

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your cash. And there's nowhere
else to put it. And so that that

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was bad enough back then. But
then now it's even worse, I

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Adam Curry: credit card debt,
auto loan debt, I mean, people

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are dead people live by debt.
Yep. And that's exactly right.

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So the problem here is
ultimately, you know, the

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government bails these these
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sent me this, there was, it was
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was the January meeting. And I
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find this clip from the original
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of these clips to just show up.
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meeting are talking about a bail
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when the bank fails, they take
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to fix it. And the overall
concept here is that what could

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happen and this is out there is
that if it's systemic, if some

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of these banks start to fail,
and the government really

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doesn't have the money, they'd
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can't do at this moment at all,
because, you know, we have not

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agreed to raise the debt ceiling
so the timing could not be more

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perfect. That you could wake up
in the morning and you've saved

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let's say you have $1,000 in
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but it would be you know, fed
the coin or something. That's

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really that's really a
possibility. That could really

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Dave Jones: That's, that reminds
me of Lebanon. Yes. Yeah, that

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sounds Lebanese to me.

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Adam Curry: Well, the difference
is Lebanon, they just closed the

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banks like It's like alright,
your money or like turkey same

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thing you know, the lira has
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could do here is they could say
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would function the same way I
mean, I'm not sure about the

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value on the international
market but the problem is the

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control over it you know, they
would have complete control over

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Dave Jones: this what's the
what's the Netherlands? What's

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that can that word and then
Dutch the conspiracy to the wolf

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nuts or something like that wolf
not what what's what

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Adam Curry: show title wolf
knots? I don't know what

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Dave Jones: I said what was nuts
I think what's the what's the

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what are some Dutch term that
means like some crazy conspiracy

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theorists that somebody calls
you, oh, VP, VP, VP is now is

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now worth notes. Yes. Perfect.

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Adam Curry: Wa PPIE VP,

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Dave Jones: okay, yeah, that's
that's the the fatty coin that's

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the that's the VP VP coin.

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Adam Curry: Well, I'm all in on
that. You know. I would like to

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see something happen I don't
want people to go poor and I

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don't think we will. But
something's got to happen.

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Dave Jones: What what what's
impressive to me honestly, is

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that in attend to think about
this when these things happen,

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we've had a series of these now
these sort of big crypto market

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Adam Curry: big one things

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Dave Jones: and what what's kind
of impressive to me is that yes,

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Bitcoin takes a hit. But if you
think about it, it's it's not

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nearly as bad as you think it
would be. Like that. I mean,

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Bitcoin it just tends to have a
dent and comes right back. Yeah,

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sure. Like it's very resilient
to whatever this is this going

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on. Yeah, sometimes it feels and
sometimes, especially I read

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yesterday was the new Biden
budget proposal which there's

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some currently there's some
crazy crap in there, but one of

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them was like a 30% tax on my
crypto and Bitcoin mine. ers.

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Did you see that? No, I didn't.
I haven't seen it read the whole

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budget yet. I just saw the
toppling of long term capital

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gains tax. Yeah. To

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Adam Curry: 40. To 40%. Sure.
Sounds fair. Yeah. But no one

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unknown who makes under $400,000
We'll get a get will have paid a

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penny more in tax, which of
course, is a lie, because the

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hidden tax is inflation. Yeah,
yeah. And it ends the inflation

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I'd say is, is maybe even 20%
Now, you know, 10% price

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inflation, and 10% Shrink
inflation, translation.

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Dave Jones: Translation. Yeah,
the cans are getting smaller.

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Adam Curry: are. It's
noticeable. I mean, I got this I

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got this Dr. Pepper here, seven
and a half fluid ounces. It's

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still like $18 for this one can
I'm telling you it's crazy. What

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to do with it. We're all gonna
die.

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Dave Jones: I need to buy a
whole bunch. I just finished my

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base milkshake. I need to buy a
whole bunch more pouches of that

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before it before the shrink
relation mental contagion. That

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happens.

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Adam Curry: But the best, the
best part? Wait, did you hear

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about the Perth Mint in
Australia? Oh, no. So they were

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they were doping their gold. So
they sold like 100,000 tons of

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gold to the Shanghai exchange.
And they were putting a little

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bit extra silver in there. And
so now they may have to know

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compensate by taking that back

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to the tune of $8 billion.

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Dave Jones: Are you kidding me?
Yes, like pieces of aid type

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thing all over again. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: cut cutting off. You
know, what were the what they

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call it. souping back in the
blog. Like way back in the day

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you put your your gold and your
silver coins into a bag and you

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shake it, shake it, shake it,
and then little filings would

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come off of it and you collect
that.

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Dave Jones: Purse mint. That's
one of the major mints in the

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world. It's a

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Adam Curry: huge scam. I think I
have a clip of that actually.

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Oh, sorry. I

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Dave Jones: used to have some
some.

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Adam Curry: You I knew you. I
knew you're a gold guy.

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Dave Jones: I used to have
three, one ounce kookaburras

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Have you seen those? That's it?
No,

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Adam Curry: I only had the
Cougar Cougar ends I got the

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Cooper grands got the heads

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Dave Jones: of Cougar hands.
Yeah, you're listening to this

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was an extraordinary story. Can
you first of all tell me why did

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they dope the gold as it's
called? Yeah,

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Unknown: good morning, they were
looking 2018 The Perth Mint was

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under quite a bit of financial
pressure. And so they took a

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decision to dilute or to dope
their gold and that basically

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means that they added tiny
amounts of silver into the mix

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that makes in their gold bars.
And this was a really a It's not

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illegal, but it's a really high
risk strategy because it leaves

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Adam Curry: not illegal. I don't
see how that was not illegal.

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Dave Jones: How can it not be
illegal?

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Adam Curry: What else I'll fast
forward to the end of this

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report. 100 tons

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Unknown: of gold to internal
staff members had made some

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estimates they made a estimate
that up to 100 tonnes of gold

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that they had sent to the
Shanghai Gold Exchange was

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potentially below the Shanghai
exchange standards and may need

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to be recalled now. That is
$9,000,000,001.7 billion worth

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of gold.

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Adam Curry: Now of course that's
australian dollar we do so I

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guess it's what a buck 50 or
something it's not it's not a

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lot of money say

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Dave Jones: 6000

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Adam Curry: Oh, nice picture of
your your Kookaburra Yes, a

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Dave Jones: pretty coin and it's
very bland coin. Yeah, like I

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can't believe that they did
that. What what does that

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meeting look like by the way
today? What's that board

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meetings? Hey,

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Adam Curry: we're screwed what
can we do Jade All right, and

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the board meeting? I don't know.
And

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Dave Jones: what if we put some
stuff in the gold coins? That's

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not gold? Oh, what did I do that
did Jim has

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Adam Curry: tungsten for
instance. Somehow it made me

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feel really powerful that what
we're doing it's like you know,

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not just the fact that we don't
have that type of here's here's

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what I was thinking about
yesterday when it comes to the

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adaptation of Bitcoin you have
people actually sending off

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their Bitcoin to other people in
a transaction airy fashion you

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know, it's called a value for
value donation or whatever you

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want to call it. And so this is
not a huddling situation. People

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are who receive it like you and
I we receive from our podcast we

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will I receive from no agenda.
Where do you where do you get

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your your Bitcoin from? You buy
it?

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Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, but
I have a look at dollar cost.

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You have a bass on every month

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Adam Curry: but you have no
income No, no SATs incoming

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because our stuff all goes to
the index. You didn't show you

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need another show you either
show your show with your wife or

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something so you get some of
your own SAFS

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Dave Jones: No, I get you have
me in like a 1% split I think

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for the for my hella pad.

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Adam Curry: All right, right,
right, right. Okay, so yeah. So

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so whatever it is, we get SATs,
we send them right back out and

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then you know, some people use
it and send it back to other

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podcasters other people take it
and buy beer for conference

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goers Okay, fine, fine,
whatever. I prefer to keep that

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in the in the system. But what I
what I realized is that across

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the board, the numerology is
showing adoption of of Bitcoin

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because no one says, Thanks for
your $5 Thanks for your 275

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We're all talking about 100,000
SATs 25,000 SATs 5150 6969 7777

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That isn't an adoption of a
currency. We're not thinking of

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it in Monat in in Fiat dollar
level anymore. If we ever really

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were at the beginning, I think
people were like, well, that's

442
00:26:05,129 --> 00:26:10,259
nothing. But now, no, no, we're
not. I think people are getting

443
00:26:10,259 --> 00:26:13,919
their own their own feel of oh,
100,000 That's a big baller, you

444
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:16,679
know that that's a that's a
substantial number. Whereas that

445
00:26:16,679 --> 00:26:21,209
number actually in dollars
fluctuates. I think somehow, and

446
00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:23,969
other people may be better
explaining it to me. This proves

447
00:26:23,969 --> 00:26:27,119
adoption. As a currency.

448
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:31,860
Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz it Yeah, I
think you're right, because so I

449
00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:33,720
was building the charts.

450
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:38,520
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. I led
you right to it, didn't I? You

451
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:38,850
did.

452
00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:43,620
Dave Jones: You've led me there.
And it was good. I'm glad it

453
00:26:43,620 --> 00:26:48,810
was. It was a fun project. It
was like a nice little side side

454
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:51,630
gig that I could do that was
that was just fun, because I've

455
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:53,700
never done any chart stuff
before.

456
00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:56,130
Adam Curry: It turned out really
good. And I bought a domain

457
00:26:56,190 --> 00:27:01,110
domain name for you. Oh, you did
not. I did V for v stats.com.

458
00:27:01,710 --> 00:27:07,200
Oh, nice. Okay, and it's running
as we speak. Okay. V four v

459
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,130
stats.com.

460
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:09,990
Dave Jones: I will move the
bucket and I'll tell you where

461
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:17,310
to point it. So, the this the
charts, initially when I built

462
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:23,940
it right now it's at stats dot
podcast index.org/v Four v. And

463
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:26,880
Adam Curry: I have a question
right off the bat. Okay, looking

464
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,340
at that, because I saw it
yesterday. I'm looking at it

465
00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:36,930
today. It appears that when it
hits midnight, and updates the

466
00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:41,130
chart, it starts with whatever
has come in for that day. So it

467
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:46,170
this goes up to March 10, which
is today and it shows number

468
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:53,490
almost near zero. That maybe you
need to compile it at 1159 59

469
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,620
Dave Jones: I think I'm gonna
have to make it where it where

470
00:27:58,620 --> 00:28:03,420
it excludes today. So he starts
from, like 24 hours ago and goes

471
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,760
yeah, yeah, I just noticed that
a while ago as well,

472
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:08,429
Adam Curry: because it looks
like oh shit. The Silicon Valley

473
00:28:08,429 --> 00:28:13,799
Bank contagiousness. Like it's a
very sad chart. I don't like it

474
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,949
like this. I don't like it when
every single one is like Oh,

475
00:28:16,979 --> 00:28:24,239
boo. But even though it was
still so by midnight. Now it

476
00:28:24,239 --> 00:28:25,859
doesn't it doesn't tell me how
many

477
00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,620
Dave Jones: this it does. If you
if you if you hover over the

478
00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,430
load dot you?

479
00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:37,020
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. 180,081
Yet at midnight? Yeah, that's

480
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:39,690
section and that's actually I
like that.

481
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:43,230
Dave Jones: So what's what's
pretty nice. I mean, I don't

482
00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,110
really know how to get an
average I can probably, like

483
00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:48,180
probably do an average where it
would have sold just like this

484
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:52,950
little secondary line running
back in the in the background.

485
00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:57,810
But most of the time, even on
down days, it's still around a

486
00:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,630
million sets. Oh yeah. But then
you just have these, these

487
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:05,550
spikes up to three, 3 million
sets on a regular basis per day.

488
00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,950
Adam Curry: That's release days.
It's so obvious you can see what

489
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:11,550
day you want to release on when
that's exactly what that is. So

490
00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:15,450
I'm sure that some of that's our
show podcasting. 2.0 I'm sure we

491
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:19,830
spiked the stats I'm sure rabbit
hole recap. You know, just look

492
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:24,270
at the fountain Top radio. Yeah,
all that stuff spike, it becomes

493
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:28,290
really wild. The thing I
requested which you are which

494
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:31,020
you already said it's in the
table and that'll get done is

495
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,430
number of transactions. I think
that's that's pretty important

496
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:40,530
number just to see how many
people are actually interacting

497
00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:44,190
and then man, I could give you a
million other ideas, boost

498
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:47,340
versus streams etc. This is all
this is combined. I take it

499
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:48,570
right. Yes.

500
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:51,630
Dave Jones: Yes, that's right.
Yeah, boosting is training. So

501
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:57,060
here's here's another idea. So I
posted this, the link to this on

502
00:29:57,060 --> 00:30:01,530
noster because I'm forcing
myself to live over there and

503
00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:06,750
noster as well. Yeah. And
immediately I got back a reply

504
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,640
that said, let me see if I can
pull it up. Do I get back a

505
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,660
snarky reply

506
00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:14,730
Adam Curry: go into what exactly
did you post?

507
00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:18,659
Dave Jones: So I just posted a
link to

508
00:30:19,439 --> 00:30:22,019
Adam Curry: STATS chart you got
a snarky reply

509
00:30:22,949 --> 00:30:26,099
Dave Jones: Yeah, so I posted
the link to the stats chart and

510
00:30:26,699 --> 00:30:31,919
and I got a reply that says so
noster still being a baby

511
00:30:31,949 --> 00:30:35,249
already outperforms a more
settled V for fee put in the for

512
00:30:35,249 --> 00:30:39,719
V podcasting quote, industry,
unquote. What asshole was that?

513
00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,049
I don't know somebody named
Tony. Anyways,

514
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,800
Adam Curry: Tony, this dude
named Tony. Okay. He says

515
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,010
Dave Jones: anyways, I'm sure
nostril will help V for V

516
00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:53,910
podcasting reach net Lex next
levels in no time. Okay, well,

517
00:30:53,910 --> 00:30:58,740
we'll hang around for that.
Yeah, so NZ posted a link that

518
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:07,080
shows over to zap life and dot
lol which I think is the

519
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,070
greatest domain name. And I've
seen in a while zap Live dot

520
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:17,250
lol. And it says over the past
seven days 15,604,898 SATs have

521
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:21,540
been zapped. Sure. So So he's
saying that and then he shows a

522
00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:25,650
comparison chart from the V for
V stats, this shows

523
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:33,510
2000 10,625,000 SATs. So 5
million SATs more had been

524
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:37,260
zapped over the last week on
noster than have been sent to

525
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:40,830
podcasters on fee for V and
that's that's clearly an

526
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:47,610
indication that noster is
better. Tony, Thanks, Tony.

527
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:50,700
Thanks that this is a this is
clear. Like he doesn't even have

528
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:58,170
to really explain it. So my
thought was okay, there needs to

529
00:31:58,170 --> 00:32:05,580
be a better apples to apples
comparison. Yes. I mean, I don't

530
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:08,160
Adam Curry: even care about the
comparison. But yes, in case we

531
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,100
need it. Yes. A better a better
better one. Okay.

532
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:16,740
Dave Jones: Yes. So, um, so this
is not a, you know, who stuff is

533
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:20,070
bigger contest, because it's to
me, it's complete apples and

534
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:24,930
oranges. But, and, and and I
don't care. But, but that did

535
00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:32,940
bring up a good idea. Which is,
it would be nice to see a per

536
00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:38,970
listener, a SATs per listener
metric, where you say, Okay, how

537
00:32:38,970 --> 00:32:44,610
many? Here's the this, this
10,625,629 sets over the last

538
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:48,870
seven days. How many listeners
represent how many listeners

539
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,290
were sending SAS? What does that
how many people were are

540
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:57,390
responsible for that much?
Savage. Right? Savage. And so

541
00:32:57,390 --> 00:33:01,500
then, if you like, if you were
going to compare that to

542
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:06,120
something like noster or some
other metric, you could say,

543
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Okay, here's, here's your
average podcast listener. And

544
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,620
here's how much they send to a
creator. And then here's your

545
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:20,160
average. Not Nasir noster. An
ostrich and how much they send

546
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:26,580
to in zaps and my gut instinct.
Is that a lightning pot? Is that

547
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:32,820
a podcast? Listener? Sins way
more than your average nostril

548
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:33,240
dude.

549
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:39,210
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm I'm so sure
you're right. No doubt about it.

550
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:41,370
What did you send me how you
send me more pictures? What is

551
00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:45,000
Dave Jones: this? Yeah. So tone
records sent send us some shows

552
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,370
some album art for this. For
this. He

553
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:49,680
Adam Curry: wants us to change
the album art. Oh,

554
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:52,590
Dave Jones: no. Further. We wait
said last time that.

555
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:54,330
Adam Curry: Oh, that's right.
You're right. You're right. I'm

556
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:56,490
sorry. Yeah, we did say that,
didn't we? Yeah.

557
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,790
Dave Jones: We would take some
per episode out more. So he sent

558
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:01,740
us some very pretty.

559
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:03,960
Adam Curry: Let me take a look
at this. It didn't show up. And

560
00:34:04,020 --> 00:34:04,740
oh, I have to.

561
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:07,110
Dave Jones: It's a collage.

562
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,690
Adam Curry: What is a JPEG?

563
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:10,890
Dave Jones: A PNG

564
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,310
Adam Curry: is weird. For some
reason. It doesn't want to open

565
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:18,360
it nicely for me. Let's see. Use
windows. Who the hell knows what

566
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:24,120
Windows doing? Now we go. Wow,
it's taking How big is fives if

567
00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:27,810
I have nothing? Big. This is
weird. Sounds weird.

568
00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:33,450
Dave Jones: Okay, well. Let's
see. where's the where's the

569
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:38,280
original? I can get it for you.
What happened to? I'll send you

570
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,050
the zip file that's got all of
it in there.

571
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,980
Adam Curry: Yeah, because it's
sorry, photos can't open this

572
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:47,340
file. It's a format that's
unsupported or corrupted.

573
00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:51,180
Dave Jones: Oh, well. I'll send
it to you after the show. Okay.

574
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:53,370
Yeah. Good. It's very nice,
though. It's very

575
00:34:53,370 --> 00:34:56,850
Adam Curry: pretty. Well,
anyway, I'm very proud of of

576
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,620
what I'm seeing here. I mean, so
we're looking at a Mmm. dailies

577
00:35:01,620 --> 00:35:07,950
have over a million saps well
over a million in some cases. I

578
00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:11,910
know the other metrics we have,
we also have average average

579
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:15,060
payment size, which I think is
also a nice one. I think that's

580
00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:17,670
actually maybe even a very
important one.

581
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,260
Dave Jones: You mean like, like,
what is the average boost or

582
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:23,190
average stream?

583
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:25,950
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean,
it'd be nice to break it out.

584
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:28,560
Because boost versus streams,
you know, that's a difference.

585
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,410
But I'll tell you, in most
cases, I see. I see more. Oh,

586
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:41,040
that is that's a lot of artwork
there. In most cases, I see a

587
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,190
larger amount of streaming sites
versus the booster grams, the

588
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,650
streaming sites are not to be
discounted, people are really

589
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:49,680
using that in a very silent way
that's kind of crept up. It's

590
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600
gotten pretty, pretty big.

591
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:55,470
Dave Jones: Let me tell you
this, I forget about it. And I

592
00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:58,800
forget, I get so used to
boosting to show that how much I

593
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,270
love the show that that I forget
about the streaming sets. And

594
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,390
then every now and then I'll
look. I'll be listening to a

595
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:09,630
show for a while. And then my
wallet will run out.

596
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,000
Adam Curry: And how did that
happen? Why didn't lose that

597
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,320
much. I've had that happen to?

598
00:36:13,709 --> 00:36:16,949
Dave Jones: And then I think oh,
well, that's actually sent quite

599
00:36:16,949 --> 00:36:19,679
a bit. So it makes me feel
better. Because I'm like, Oh, I

600
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:22,769
don't have to remember. You
know, I just I just know I'm

601
00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:25,529
always by just just by
listening, I am supporting

602
00:36:25,529 --> 00:36:25,739
What's

603
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:29,880
Adam Curry: your default? 100.
My default has been 200 for a

604
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,750
long time.

605
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:33,809
Dave Jones: 200 sets of man,
what does that come to about?

606
00:36:33,809 --> 00:36:35,129
Like for an app per hour?

607
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:37,560
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
just, I just like to number.

608
00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,140
Yeah, I really don't know. When
I run out. I just look at what

609
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:46,590
do I have some shop somewhere
else? I'm sure I can fill it

610
00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:52,170
fill up a wallet from somewhere.
No, it's it just feels good. It

611
00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:55,080
feels like it's all kind of
coming together. I really like

612
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,340
it. And did Sam announced his
pod fans thing is that the

613
00:37:01,350 --> 00:37:03,300
Dave Jones: big news and I was
thinking something like that.

614
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:06,270
Maybe he was going to be some
big news, but I didn't hear

615
00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:07,080
anything about it.

616
00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:10,290
Adam Curry: And I think he
demoed it on stage with the with

617
00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:14,430
Albie guys, but I'm not sure
exactly. If he released it yet.

618
00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:19,680
He may be waiting for podcast,
podcast movement, London or

619
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,140
whatever. How many of these
times are there?

620
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,800
Dave Jones: On show London now.

621
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:31,950
Adam Curry: From feedback, I can
say that we are saving or

622
00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:36,240
creating lives daily as I
continue to push back on the

623
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:36,870
pods

624
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:41,160
Dave Jones: will remind me what
pod was

625
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,610
Adam Curry: pod speeding use
disorder. Yes, people who have

626
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:50,220
been speeding up their podcast
listening are now slowing it

627
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:53,550
down and finding they're less
anxious. Particularly that

628
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:56,640
there's you know, who was it
that sent me this? I think it

629
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,990
was Chad F I think I don't want
to think it was Chad F who said

630
00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,650
that he has ADHD and then you
know, when he thought that

631
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,600
speeding up podcast actually
helped his ADHD. And then when

632
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,320
he slowed it down, he's like,
Oh, wow. This is actually

633
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,770
better.

634
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,530
Dave Jones: Yeah, you think it's
when you when you don't like put

635
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:23,250
gas on the fire? I think that
would make you in the DSM five.

636
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:25,140
I think you're right or GP?
Yeah.

637
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:30,030
Adam Curry: DSM five, it
shouldn't be.

638
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,620
Dave Jones: I think apps should
on occasion. Just rant, just

639
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:35,850
take randomly.

640
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:40,020
Adam Curry: Maybe, maybe, Dred
Scott not chata from sorry, I

641
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,320
knew I was I knew I was breaking
some HIPAA violation there it

642
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,470
was. Dred Scott. Yeah, dribs
listening. I drive. That's

643
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:49,740
right. Sorry. I didn't mean to
give you a disease to someone

644
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:50,100
else.

645
00:38:50,850 --> 00:38:55,290
Dave Jones: He the podcast app
should just randomly slow it

646
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,510
down. I basically do a lockout.

647
00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:00,780
Adam Curry: I had an urge during
that meeting with pocket cash to

648
00:39:00,780 --> 00:39:02,580
say Hey, could you take off
you're speeding up because

649
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,890
you're killing people. I really
I really wanted to say something

650
00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:07,920
like that. I had to bite my
tongue. I had to bite my tongue.

651
00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:12,390
Dave Jones: Your response? This
is an epidemic. It is it a

652
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:13,020
crisis?

653
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:16,620
Adam Curry: I think it is a
crisis. And really is is not as

654
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:17,340
not healthy.

655
00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:21,630
Dave Jones: I want to just while
we're tangentially attached to

656
00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:27,750
the V for V stats here. I want
to explain quickly because I had

657
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:32,670
a couple questions about it.
Explained explain how the how

658
00:39:32,670 --> 00:39:37,140
we're doing this calculation
like what what the 1% stuff is

659
00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:38,910
like how how can we know

660
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,770
Adam Curry: Oh, how do we how do
we how are we able to make a

661
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,900
chart? Yeah, right. Yeah.

662
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:50,460
Dave Jones: So what this chart
is showing is our best guess as

663
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:58,470
to how many sets are being paid
in, in boosts in per streaming.

664
00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:06,180
Pay prints on a day each day in
the way, the way that we can,

665
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:11,310
the way that we can know that,
and I say no in quotes, the way

666
00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:17,190
that we can know that is that we
have the shim in place for the

667
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:22,290
API. Because so many hosting
companies do not support adding

668
00:40:22,290 --> 00:40:26,760
a value blog to your feed. So
you can go either onboard

669
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,870
through founds enter contracts,
or Satoshi stream, or add it

670
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:34,530
yourself manually the podcast
and wallet.com. And you can get

671
00:40:34,530 --> 00:40:41,790
your value blog into the API. So
then, because that's such a

672
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:48,090
needed thing, a lot of the apps
will check the API if there's a

673
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:52,350
value block for a feed, right?
If the value blocks in the feed,

674
00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:56,190
and now this is important, if
the value block is in the feed,

675
00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:02,250
and the app sees it, they may
not check us. So at that moment,

676
00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:09,240
in a situation like that,
there's no 1%. So it could be

677
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,830
that there are also before I go
there, let me let me just go

678
00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:17,910
back to explaining what this is.
So so take take that for what it

679
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:24,390
is, let's let's just say that we
generally have sort of a 1% view

680
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:31,890
of most of the transactions that
are going on, right? The each

681
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,830
transaction boost or streaming
payment has a to V record, which

682
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:43,290
is just which the content of
this to V is a JSON blob, it has

683
00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:48,390
much properties in it. One of
the properties is the original

684
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:52,950
amount, in the reason that
that's there. So like if I if I

685
00:41:52,950 --> 00:42:06,720
boost 2112, to Satoshis, to pod
news, then my app will also put

686
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:12,120
that number that 202,112, it'll
put that number in the JSON of

687
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,970
the TLV record and property
called set in SATs original

688
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,350
amount, I think is the name of
the property. And so it will put

689
00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:28,380
that in there and so that once
fees are taken out on the way to

690
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,870
his destination, the receiving
application like contracts

691
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:39,330
Satoshis, Dream hella pad,
whatever. Saturn can know what

692
00:42:39,330 --> 00:42:42,630
the original amount was, in
order to preserve numerology.

693
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,230
Yeah, which was

694
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:45,510
Adam Curry: really important,
which is why we get the three,

695
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:50,730
three threes to 6969 to 1776,
all that stuff. And that is

696
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,070
magical. But that was put in
early.

697
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:59,070
Dave Jones: So the the original
amount is always listed in that

698
00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:04,590
JSON blob. So that the data is
preserved. And therefore we can

699
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:08,130
know, even though we're only
getting 1%, which a lot of times

700
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,730
it's not even 1%. It's just, it
ends up being like one sad Yeah,

701
00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:18,420
that we that we get because
calculations are hard. And so we

702
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:21,000
may only get one set, but we can
see that what was originally

703
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,220
sent was 2112, or a million or
whatever this this amount was.

704
00:43:26,580 --> 00:43:31,140
So we just run out, I just have
it export all the transactions

705
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:37,710
out and add up, do a run to do a
sum on all of the original

706
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:42,300
amounts. And that will tell us
out of all the transactions we

707
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:48,000
saw how what the total value of
all of them put together was

708
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:53,160
right. But that doesn't mean
that we see all of it because it

709
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,850
it is it is 100% voluntary Eva
for people that use the API,

710
00:43:57,390 --> 00:43:59,970
that we have no way to enforce
them. We we never will and we

711
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:05,280
don't want to. But and then
there's also some apps that read

712
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,570
the feed directly. And so they
they're under no even sort of

713
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:13,620
ethical obligation to do that.
They're just doing it

714
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,500
themselves. So there, that's
what I mean, when I put in the

715
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:19,740
stats page that it could be it
could be that at the end, the

716
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:24,210
value is higher, it could be
that is much higher. And because

717
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,030
if there was one person using an
app that tried that boosted

718
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:32,640
somebody, and let's just say
that at that moment, our split

719
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,130
failed, or let's say that their
app did not send a split or

720
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:36,900
Adam Curry: whatever. And we
don't we don't we're not able to

721
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:37,500
track that.

722
00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:42,480
Dave Jones: And what if it was 5
million sets? So we don't and we

723
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,170
have gotten the 5 million set
boost before from Peter Yes, we

724
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:50,790
have. Those things do happen. So
it's very possible that this

725
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:54,960
number is is is low, it's
actually very likely that is

726
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,120
low. It could be very low, but
we do know that it's at least To

727
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,330
this much, that's for sure.
Because we're not getting

728
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:08,430
anytime we get a split. The
devalue went, the transaction

729
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:11,610
took place. So we know that it's
at least this much anyway. And

730
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:14,340
that may be painstaking to go
through. But I think it's

731
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:14,730
important for

732
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:17,460
Adam Curry: now No, no, no, no,
it only it only was fun if you

733
00:45:17,460 --> 00:45:20,250
now explain how all the splits
work and how you then put a

734
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:22,950
copy, put those all together and
then divide them just to go with

735
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:24,510
let's go through that again.
That was fun.

736
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,220
Dave Jones: Okay, let's talk
about what fees are.

737
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:27,750
Adam Curry: I'm just kidding.
Stop.

738
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:28,770
Dave Jones: I'm kidding. I'm
kidding.

739
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:35,130
Adam Curry: Oh, will we
eventually go? Or have you been?

740
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,490
Evie, do you have any thoughts
on going to a show level and

741
00:45:38,490 --> 00:45:45,030
putting out a, like a, like a
Top? Top receiving shows without

742
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:48,120
disclosing the number, I would
say, but just to show what shows

743
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,090
had been boosted the most, or
receiving the most payments?

744
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:53,820
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think we can
do lots of stuff. I mean, I

745
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,200
think the most ince, I guess the
most exciting ones, to me

746
00:45:58,230 --> 00:46:02,790
initially are just like these
raw aggregates, like, how many?

747
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:06,990
How many total sets per day? How
many total transactions, SATs

748
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:12,960
per listener, maybe SATs per
show, in different tiers this?

749
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:16,950
And then like maybe later on, we
can look at the like you said,

750
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:19,470
just we got to make sure at
every step that it's highly

751
00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:21,540
anonymized. Yeah. Yeah,

752
00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,120
Adam Curry: I like it. And I
think this is very, very cool.

753
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:25,830
I'm digging it. I'm really I'm
digging it.

754
00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:30,150
Dave Jones: Yeah, Eric, I will
put it I will put it open

755
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:34,500
source. It's just super simple.
I mean, really, you could right

756
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,770
click the page and view source
on it. And you're just seeing it

757
00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:40,440
all. There's really nothing
there. Yeah.

758
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,320
Adam Curry: So yeah. So it's an
indication that's what we're

759
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,480
saying. Because we really, we
really don't know what we're

760
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,060
missing. We don't know what what
payments fail all kinds of

761
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,820
stuff. I mean, as always, it's
it's running with scissors

762
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:51,420
estimate.

763
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,760
Dave Jones: Nathan, Nathan
gathright, we just played fee

764
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:04,470
chick and to see who would back
out first. It was funny. That

765
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,920
was speaking to Nathan, we got
unless you got some you know,

766
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,790
now go ahead. Go ahead. We need
to talk about the update

767
00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:15,360
frequency. Okay, are you aware
of the update frequency?

768
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:20,730
Adam Curry: I've seen the GitHub
was it recommendation suggestion

769
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:23,370
issue, whatever it is. I'd love
to hear more.

770
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:30,030
Dave Jones: So the the update
frequency. I'm trying to pull

771
00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,840
the font is post where he links
to his new tool here. Oh, there

772
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,030
it is. Okay, so it's update dash
frequency. Dot versal dot app,

773
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:44,670
which just flies off the tongue.
Yeah. is updated frequently on

774
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:44,970
dash

775
00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:47,490
Adam Curry: frequency.vs l

776
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:49,740
Dave Jones: ve r c e l dot app?
What is

777
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:52,320
Adam Curry: this Marcel app
thing? Why why are people using

778
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960
that? What does this thing do?
Hmm.

779
00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:57,690
Dave Jones: I guess it's some
sort of like things like, kind

780
00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,870
of like, what was that? Was that
old thing where you get Heroku?

781
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:04,440
I think it's like,

782
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:05,940
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I gotcha.

783
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,770
Dave Jones: I gotcha. Hosted
node service.

784
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,490
Adam Curry: Okay, cool. Got it.
Yeah. All right. So now I see.

785
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:15,930
Starting on 310 2023 repeating
daily, and then what does it

786
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:16,650
give me here?

787
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:23,040
Dave Jones: Yeah, so this, the
I'm just read from his from his

788
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,210
pull request, it says in spirit
of taking platform specific

789
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:29,100
innovations and making them
accessible to the open

790
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,340
ecosystem, horses, the intent of
this proposal is to replicate

791
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:35,730
the purpose of the update
frequency field, in Apple

792
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:40,530
podcasts connect, as well as
replace the iTunes complete tag

793
00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,410
for podcasts that have no
intention to release further

794
00:48:43,410 --> 00:48:45,660
episodes. So straight off
straight away. I like it,

795
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:47,970
because you're combining you
taking taking the tag

796
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:50,970
Adam Curry: tags. Right, right.
Right, right. Okay. Oh, I see

797
00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:54,780
what's going on here. So it
basically given me the code for

798
00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:59,820
this repeat or non repeating
frequency update. And then I put

799
00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:04,050
that into that tag, and then
that tells apps when this

800
00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:07,200
updates if it updates if it'll
never update, etc.

801
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:13,500
Dave Jones: Yep. See, says under
certain conditions or naive

802
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,100
algorithms, it can be inaccurate
to know to predict future

803
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:22,500
releases. So he says, basically,
there is there's a node, the pod

804
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:28,170
the tag is podcast colon update
frequency, and there is a node

805
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:32,010
value. The note value is a
freeform string, which might be

806
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:35,280
displayed alongside other
information about the podcast.

807
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:39,330
Please do not exceed 128
characters. And then your

808
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:43,350
attributes are complete. Which
is a Boolean that just says

809
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:49,860
yesterday if true, false, yes,
no. DT start the date or time

810
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:53,550
that the recurrence rule begins.
So if the row contains a value

811
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:56,100
for count, then this attribute
is required if the rule contains

812
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:01,740
a value for until so this just
basically describes your Your

813
00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:08,940
release schedule. And I like it.
I think it's fairly easy to

814
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:10,650
parse shouldn't be too hard.

815
00:50:11,219 --> 00:50:13,979
Adam Curry: And this is mainly
for who does this benefit this

816
00:50:13,979 --> 00:50:14,429
tag?

817
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:19,140
Dave Jones: It benefits
aggregators apps. Okay. Because

818
00:50:19,170 --> 00:50:22,680
if you know, we'll have the, you
know, complete is obvious.

819
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:26,310
Because it's like, okay, well,
this Yeah, never, there's never

820
00:50:26,310 --> 00:50:28,830
Adam Curry: been, I don't have
to pull it out, although it

821
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:32,010
shows kind of a crutch alongside
with POD ping.

822
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:39,000
Dave Jones: It could, it could
be well, okay, so in relation to

823
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,700
pod paying an app like a tag
like this, I think there's an

824
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:50,310
implicit recognition that
everybody is still going to run

825
00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:55,350
aggregators to a certain degree.
And if we do we still aggregate

826
00:50:55,350 --> 00:51:02,790
Sure. So you know, we have there
could be out here, there could

827
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:05,490
be downtime, there could be, you
know, just all kinds of reasons,

828
00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:08,340
I think there's still going to
be aggregation going on. So in

829
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:14,520
that world, you have, you have
this tag, which is a more sort

830
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,790
of a more descriptive way of
doing it, then what the apple

831
00:51:17,790 --> 00:51:18,750
tag accomplishes.

832
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,210
Adam Curry: Well, it's good just
to have that, because we want a

833
00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:27,750
drop in replacement for the for
the Apple iTunes namespace

834
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:31,290
anyway. Correct? Right. That's
been your vision.

835
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:37,050
Dave Jones: Yeah, my vision is,
we were and we're actually

836
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,430
pretty well on our way to
replicating it. When I look at

837
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:47,340
at iTunes tags. If you look in
the podcast namespace, there's

838
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:52,680
some tags in there, like episode
and season, that are also iTunes

839
00:51:52,680 --> 00:52:01,200
tags. And my thinking from day
one has been, we should we

840
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,170
should replace or replicate the
iTunes tags. So that eventually,

841
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:14,850
we can sort of do a direct drop
in replacement of the podcast

842
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:20,250
namespace on top of iTunes. And
then we have and then, and then

843
00:52:20,250 --> 00:52:24,810
from the feed publisher
standpoint, you don't lose

844
00:52:24,810 --> 00:52:30,420
anything. You don't lose any
functionality. You it's just

845
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:34,920
basically you just swap. It's
like It's like Harrison Ford.

846
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,380
It's like Indiana Jones, you
just want you know, you take the

847
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:40,980
you take the the treasure off
and you put sandbag on, and

848
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:50,580
you're good. So then, if we drop
that in, for going down the list

849
00:52:50,580 --> 00:52:54,900
and saying for each tag, rather
than just replicate what's

850
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:59,160
already there, it sure would be
nice. And I think it shouldn't

851
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,890
be sort of required. Did in each
instance, we only replace that

852
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:09,690
tag, again, playing the long
game here. We only replace that

853
00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:13,230
tag, if we can come up with an
idea that enhances it to some

854
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:19,230
degree. It's about season we
replaced season. But we also

855
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:21,720
added the ability to have a
named season so we added an

856
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,370
attribute to it. Right. Okay.
Right.

857
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,610
Adam Curry: Which we basically
did by request for NPR and they

858
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:31,110
never picked it up. Yes. And now
and now and now they're

859
00:53:31,110 --> 00:53:32,460
bankrupt. Okay. All right.

860
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:44,190
Dave Jones: Great. Yeah. Thanks,
guys. Well, Captivate just blew

861
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:46,890
it wide open with all these
timing, they just released the

862
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:47,370
flood.

863
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:50,910
Adam Curry: And I love their
whole explanation of like, hey,

864
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:54,480
you know, this thing is ready to
go. We're doing it. We're just

865
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,420
casting everything aside, screw
it. And I think, you know,

866
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,350
probably blueberry has something
to do with that. You know, you

867
00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:04,200
know what I'm really loving?
Because I do I try to do the

868
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,650
triage for podcasts index
support, which has increased

869
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,310
significantly, but he but I
smile every single time I get I

870
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:19,020
get something like this. Could
you please remove my show? From

871
00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:24,090
all platforms? Yeah, that's
great. But no, it makes me it

872
00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:27,300
makes me happy because that
means that we have brand

873
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,000
awareness. People have Oh,
podcasts index, that's where all

874
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,240
the stuff goes. That's where
everyone gets it from podcasts

875
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:36,720
index. They control all that,
which we don't, but I like that

876
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,060
people think we do. Because it's
important. And one day we will

877
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:45,690
of course, obviously everyone
will be pulling off either the

878
00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:50,430
index or off a copy of the
index. Because no one has the

879
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,670
inputs that we have, which of
course is you know, everything

880
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:57,060
from this from the Swedish
trickler to you know, just

881
00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:59,730
anyone showing up with
something. We've got so many

882
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:05,250
some many really cool input.
Benjamin Bellamy has also been

883
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,950
put a lot of the French stuff
that's getting in there. So no

884
00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:10,860
one has that. Especially the
French they don't they don't

885
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:14,370
even want to be on on Apple for
some reason. They just like that

886
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,950
niche is Mac that I not do it in
bigger Bay, Apple bombs.

887
00:55:20,250 --> 00:55:22,410
Dave Jones: See this happens in
tech support with Help Desk

888
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:26,730
stuff to people will come down,
like users will come down to the

889
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:31,020
help desk and say, hey, they're
looking, they're sort of like

890
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:32,700
looking around looking over
their shoulder and they say,

891
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,600
Hey, I just want John to know
that. That website I just went

892
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,950
to that was a total accident.
Yeah, I didn't know what was

893
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:44,670
going to be that. And there's
this implicit assumption that

894
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:47,700
you're watching everything that
they do, and that like it, but

895
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,860
you're, of course you're not. I
mean, there's like, you can't

896
00:55:49,890 --> 00:55:52,650
see much volume. You can see all
this stuff, of course, but you

897
00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:56,010
never tell them that, though,
that the proper answer to that

898
00:55:56,010 --> 00:55:58,650
is, it's okay, this time, just
don't let it happen again.

899
00:55:59,549 --> 00:56:03,569
Adam Curry: I was, I was amazed
by I think you might have sent

900
00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:07,229
me this. Or maybe I saw it.
Marco posted the general

901
00:56:07,229 --> 00:56:09,989
guidelines for Apple apps and
content.

902
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:15,180
Dave Jones: And one of those
style guide or what yeah,

903
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:17,850
Adam Curry: what did they call
it here? Think inclusively

904
00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:21,480
research words. So that this is
which is fine. By the way, I'm

905
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,270
okay with you know, whatever. I
don't know if this is the

906
00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:27,480
guidelines means you have to do
it, or this is just what they

907
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:33,180
recommend. But there's a lot of
things. Like, don't describe

908
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:36,450
technology using terms that are
inherently inherently violent,

909
00:56:36,450 --> 00:56:41,430
like, kill or hang. It's like
kill off a process, I got a

910
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:44,850
process it's hanging, don't use
terms like master and slave.

911
00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:47,340
Well, that's been around for a
long time was describing

912
00:56:47,340 --> 00:56:51,900
oppressive human relationship.
But then like avoid idioms and

913
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,750
colloquial expressions, common
sayings, like fall through the

914
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:59,370
cracks on the same page backseat
driver can add flavor to writing

915
00:56:59,370 --> 00:57:01,650
but can also be difficult to
understand for people who are

916
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,100
learning the language if your
content is localized. So I see

917
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,250
all these things are very, very
concerned about everyone's

918
00:57:08,250 --> 00:57:12,570
feelings about everyone's
abilities. And to me, I just

919
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,710
look read this thing we're like,
how can you not be displaying

920
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:23,550
transcripts? If this is your
inclusive guideline? Where are

921
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:26,490
you and I'm not talking about
people who have disabilities, of

922
00:57:26,490 --> 00:57:29,940
course, they're their top of the
list and I am is someone who

923
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:33,480
actually had a hearing
disability, it's improved by you

924
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,620
know, my, my my dental
procedure. So I got but I lived

925
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,670
for five years with hearing
aids. But that that is not the

926
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:46,710
main thing that I get the most
common from people who are not

927
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:50,100
English native English speakers
who say I really enjoy having

928
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,430
the transcript running alongside
you know, if I don't catch

929
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:58,140
something I can I can see it, I
can kind of decipher the word or

930
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:02,100
I know how to spell the word
that this is exactly what should

931
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:05,370
be in this general guideline
yet. I don't see any transcripts

932
00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:06,630
in Apple's App.

933
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:10,530
Dave Jones: I don't understand
why you would not why you would

934
00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:15,030
encourage people not to use
colloquialisms because like when

935
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:17,730
you're learning a second
language, the thing that you

936
00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:20,790
want to know the most is the is
the colloquialisms in the other

937
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:23,670
language you want because that
helps you sound native.

938
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:26,910
Adam Curry: Well, transcripts
can do just that. Even if the

939
00:58:26,910 --> 00:58:31,170
app itself won't chromed I'm
just shaming people here.

940
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:33,240
Dave Jones: Okay, and I'm I'm on

941
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:35,640
Adam Curry: Apple on front apple
on front.

942
00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:40,170
Dave Jones: I behind this move,
and now

943
00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:42,660
Adam Curry: that we know that
Pocket Cast is going to do it

944
00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:44,910
who's going to want to be left
behind now? Hmm.

945
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:50,640
Dave Jones: Well, just don't say
grandfathered in. Allowed.

946
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480
Adam Curry: Did I read that
Spotify? I haven't. I'm sure I

947
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:05,610
read this. The Spotify was now
supporting chapters but not the

948
00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:09,270
not the podcast namespace but
where it originally came from?

949
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:13,440
Because it was from a different
namespace if I recall.

950
00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:17,250
Dave Jones: I don't know what I
didn't see that. What do

951
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,560
Adam Curry: you remember when we
first saw chapters? That's why

952
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,850
we incorporated it from the
original namespace was a small

953
00:59:23,850 --> 00:59:26,160
namespace and don't you
remember?

954
00:59:26,610 --> 00:59:28,260
Dave Jones: Oh, no, I know what
you're talking about. You're

955
00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:29,880
talking about pod love the YES,

956
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,070
Adam Curry: YES. YES. YES. YES.
YES. YES. YES. That's

957
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:35,130
Dave Jones: it for that. I think
so. Yeah. No, yeah.

958
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,980
Adam Curry: I saw I saw a report
about it today. Let me see if I

959
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:46,740
can find it. Because I'm so sure
that I saw an article cross my

960
00:59:46,770 --> 00:59:49,440
my desk today about that. Maybe
just

961
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:53,790
Dave Jones: very few. There's
very few feeds that even have

962
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:54,300
that.

963
00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:59,310
Adam Curry: Probably why Spotify
supports it. What can we do with

964
00:59:59,310 --> 01:00:01,920
it? Oh, that'll work. For nobody
oh let's use this

965
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,550
Dave Jones: yeah well Nathan
just linked over to by the way

966
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:08,760
Nathan I just merged your pull
request. Oh,

967
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,880
Adam Curry: I told you I knew
I'd read this somewhere Swiss

968
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,210
doc social Okay, what do we have
here? Even though there there

969
01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:17,340
Dave Jones: are some of these
issues Spotify have finally

970
01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:19,770
implemented pod lifts and book
chapters after having them in

971
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:23,070
their spec for years huh weird

972
01:00:23,310 --> 01:00:24,600
Adam Curry: Okay interesting

973
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:30,090
Dave Jones: all right this this
the chapter wars chapter wars

974
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:35,370
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, Spotify
in general I think doing a Hail

975
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:41,280
Mary but Spotify for podcasters
they did not they they finally

976
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,980
incorporated the albatross known
as anchor into into their

977
01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:49,620
system. So we'll see if they
what they start to do with that.

978
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,470
People seem excited that people
who write blogs seem excited

979
01:00:55,470 --> 01:00:55,980
about it.

980
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,750
Dave Jones: That's an odd move.
The why they haven't they Well,

981
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:04,260
they support they support
timestamp chapters. In the show

982
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:11,070
notes. They support pod love
chapters in the feed. Do Do they

983
01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:16,500
support any chapters that are
actually de support mp3

984
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:17,190
chapters?

985
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:20,190
Adam Curry: I don't think so. I
have no idea. No, I Yeah.

986
01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:22,290
Dave Jones: They seem to be
going about this in a very

987
01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:23,490
roundabout way. Yeah.

988
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,220
Adam Curry: Well as I thought
you meant that weird move was

989
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:32,160
the was doing the Spotify for
podcasters. I think that that is

990
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,440
the only move they had left.
Yeah, and I wonder man, I wonder

991
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,220
if if, if there's going to be
renewal of Rogan. I really

992
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:45,450
wonder? Not from his side. I
think he's enjoying it.

993
01:01:45,810 --> 01:01:48,630
Dave Jones: But if there's gonna
just can't afford him.

994
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,220
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, will
he? Man he, I gotta tell you,

995
01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:56,670
Tina and I went to the opening
of his his comedy club in

996
01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:59,700
Austin. I didn't know he is open
at a comedy club. Yeah, it's

997
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:04,380
called comedy mothership. It's
the old Ritz theatre. We and

998
01:02:04,380 --> 01:02:09,630
it's beautiful. I mean, he's got
250 seats in the main room. And

999
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:12,960
he's got, you know, like a green
room and a private bar, and then

1000
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,980
a little small room. And, and of
course, you know, he knows how

1001
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:21,480
to how to do VIP stuff. So we
got total total blow job all the

1002
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,860
way through is great. But what I
saw was, and he's been

1003
01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:29,460
performing every night, I saw a
guy who was really enjoying

1004
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:33,120
himself. And I just wonder if
you're, if you're on stage, and

1005
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,250
you're, you know, you're not
going to be home until midnight

1006
01:02:35,250 --> 01:02:39,180
or one every night. And then the
next day, you're doing one or

1007
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:42,630
two, three hour interviews. I
mean, at what point do you have

1008
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:44,040
to give one or the other up?

1009
01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:47,940
Dave Jones: It's true, you know,
so it's just bootstrapping this

1010
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,160
thing with himself and he's
gonna get bigger artists and and

1011
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,270
back off. Oh, no,

1012
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:53,730
Adam Curry: no, no, no, this is
not a bootstrap. This was a

1013
01:02:53,730 --> 01:02:56,760
success out of the gate. He's
got show sold out for months,

1014
01:02:56,790 --> 01:03:00,330
not not even his own. Yeah, he
had Roseanne Barr do a set he

1015
01:03:00,330 --> 01:03:04,890
had. Tim Dylan, of course, is
local boy. But he's got all

1016
01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:07,080
kinds of now. He's, he's
bringing he's bringing the

1017
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,370
comedians in, is that you know,
a lot of the people who work

1018
01:03:11,370 --> 01:03:15,120
there come from the, you know,
from the Comedy Store kind of

1019
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,020
community, which closed in Los
Angeles, which was Mitzi shore,

1020
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:22,470
Pauly shores, mom, she ran that.
And so he even hired a lot of

1021
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:24,090
the staff that run that place.

1022
01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:26,520
Dave Jones: So they just
forklift it to that ILA and

1023
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:27,390
dropped it in Austin

1024
01:03:27,450 --> 01:03:30,240
Adam Curry: the staff but not I
mean, it's a comedy club is a

1025
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640
comedy club, but this is you
know, it's new. It's beautiful.

1026
01:03:32,670 --> 01:03:38,160
And, and from what I can tell,
it's just slamming Nice. So this

1027
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,640
is no Bootstrap. This is out of
the gates success. It's pretty

1028
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:41,970
amazing. Well,

1029
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:46,290
Dave Jones: that may I guess, I
guess the he'll back off at some

1030
01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:49,350
point and be doing there. Yeah,

1031
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,300
Adam Curry: gotta back off of
something. I just think you

1032
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:57,690
know, it's like hey, I'm 58 I'm
tired. Imagine this Joe 5455

1033
01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:00,750
It's only a few years behind
only a few years behind.

1034
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,980
Dave Jones: Yeah, I was thinking
I had written down you know

1035
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:07,140
about anchor i don't know i
don't know what you know, of

1036
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:10,230
course we we knew they would
kill the brand because the brand

1037
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:12,330
was Yeah, terrible but

1038
01:04:13,740 --> 01:04:16,200
Adam Curry: but all the deals
you know, they're kind of

1039
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:18,720
slowing that down if not
shutting it down. It certainly

1040
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,060
wasn't successful the way you
know they don't have the numbers

1041
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:24,660
to show for it. So maybe they're
finally going to go for the

1042
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:28,680
recommended strategy is let
everybody in you know caught him

1043
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,680
in on some ad money if you can
if you can sell it which I don't

1044
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,190
think my experience is doesn't
work because advertisers just

1045
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:40,320
don't want to advertise on on
podcast that could not be brand

1046
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,950
safe. It's a very hard sell.
I've been there done that

1047
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:51,090
Dave Jones: well, I'm the the
see what I had something else

1048
01:04:51,090 --> 01:04:56,520
we're angry grim mushy here. Oh,
yeah, channels. We're gonna talk

1049
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:57,240
about channels versus

1050
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,390
Adam Curry: making sure this is
this is one that I I'm not so

1051
01:05:00,390 --> 01:05:04,440
sure. I agree with the channels.
And this is another namespace

1052
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,550
tag.

1053
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:10,140
Dave Jones: I would like to hear
your, your idea of what you

1054
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:11,850
think channels is and right now?

1055
01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,300
Adam Curry: Ah, that's a good?
That's a good question. I think

1056
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:20,370
channels are a way to put a
collection of podcasts for

1057
01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:25,080
whatever reason into a single
entity or at least to be able to

1058
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,550
recognize that these podcasts
belong to this channel. So that

1059
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:35,760
could be possibly like a
network, like, okay, these are

1060
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,320
all the all the cool podcasts
that are in my network, and

1061
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,470
maybe they would also put this
channel into their feed. So you

1062
01:05:43,470 --> 01:05:48,480
can have this kind of cross
reference. Is I'm anywhere near

1063
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,050
the mark?

1064
01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:53,130
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, you're
close. Yeah, that's pretty much

1065
01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:58,320
what the intent is to say, have
some facility to say these.

1066
01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:04,500
Let's just say five feeds
actually all belong to the same

1067
01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:06,210
in entity.

1068
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:09,330
Adam Curry: Person whenever
we've kind of slipped into

1069
01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:13,800
something without officially
playing. And now it's time for

1070
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,760
some hot namespace or make sure
everyone knows why they're all

1071
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:18,750
turned on right now.

1072
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,830
Dave Jones: We just went right
through the beat door, I know.

1073
01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:31,200
With a left handed cigarette,
and then he was stuck. So that's

1074
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:35,040
yeah, that's the idea is that
you would say, okay, these feeds

1075
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:42,390
all belong to either a person or
a publisher, whatever. And

1076
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:47,790
there's you, you can, I think
you could probably imagine

1077
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:50,910
various ways to do it. Now, you,
you said you have a problem with

1078
01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:53,370
it, do you have a problem with
the technical implementation or

1079
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:55,110
just the whole idea in general,
and just the

1080
01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:57,060
Adam Curry: whole idea in
general, I mean, I'm not quite

1081
01:06:57,060 --> 01:07:01,110
sure how it differs from like a
record to me, it would be more

1082
01:07:01,110 --> 01:07:05,400
like a recommendation than a
channel a channel just reminds

1083
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,580
me of a YouTube channel, so I'm
just just irks me no matter

1084
01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:17,220
what. You know, so do I do I put
a channel? So these are all my

1085
01:07:17,220 --> 01:07:20,610
podcasts now, there'll be wildly
different. The only thing is I

1086
01:07:20,610 --> 01:07:23,550
produce them all. So there's may
for podcasts? Is that Is that

1087
01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:30,090
what a channel? Is? It? Can I as
a can I create a new feed, and

1088
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,760
just put a bunch of channels in
there of people I just like that

1089
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,620
don't even agree to be in my
channel.

1090
01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:41,880
Dave Jones: You can that's, that
would be more of a playlist,

1091
01:07:42,810 --> 01:07:48,450
where you are choosing a bunch
of, of different content to put

1092
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:51,810
to group together, sort of
that's like a play, that would

1093
01:07:51,810 --> 01:07:57,180
be the playlist. The channel is
more of this is all coming from

1094
01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:59,070
the same producing entity.

1095
01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:01,200
Adam Curry: And How's it
different from the author tag?

1096
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,030
Dave Jones: Well, the author tag
is not always accurate. It's

1097
01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:14,940
limited. So for instance, it
doesn't give an it doesn't give

1098
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:21,030
enough granularity. So for
instance, in this case, I think

1099
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:25,620
the author tag for no agenda
says, Adam Korean Jhansi Dvorak,

1100
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:28,980
yeah, author tag for this show
would say something different.

1101
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:31,590
So you really can't associate
the two says podcast

1102
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:34,320
Adam Curry: index, LLC, I think
thank you.

1103
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:38,220
Dave Jones: So you, there's
really nothing in the in the

1104
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:42,570
feed that assists in this
happen. I mean, this, this

1105
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:48,900
definitely happens. So you have
somebody who's like, I just want

1106
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:52,980
to I'm gonna listen, I want to
listen to all of the shows by

1107
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:57,270
this group. Even though all the
shows in that group may have

1108
01:08:57,270 --> 01:09:00,960
different authors different,
like, like, I want us, you have

1109
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,020
these things that happen with
this, this sort of

1110
01:09:05,730 --> 01:09:09,810
bastardization of the channel
concept that has grown up over

1111
01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:15,930
the years, where you have a
monolithic feed, the all shows

1112
01:09:15,930 --> 01:09:19,500
the Do you know this where it's
like? So Jupiter broadcasting

1113
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:19,980
will have

1114
01:09:20,009 --> 01:09:22,469
Adam Curry: Sure, yeah, yeah, I
know exactly what you're talking

1115
01:09:22,469 --> 01:09:24,539
Okay. In that case, yeah. All
right. All right.

1116
01:09:25,290 --> 01:09:28,980
Dave Jones: This, this would
replace that. But you're trying

1117
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:34,290
to avoid those kinds of sort of
synthetic feeds that aren't

1118
01:09:34,290 --> 01:09:40,590
real. And there's a few ways
that we discussed doing it. You

1119
01:09:40,590 --> 01:09:46,440
can have you could have it be an
external, something external

1120
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:52,290
like a JSON file, where this
JSON file is referenced by each

1121
01:09:52,290 --> 01:09:59,220
of the feeds that are that are
in the channel. And then if you

1122
01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:04,260
follow or the the reference to
the JSON and go get that JSON,

1123
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:10,650
you can then see a list of all
the debt that JSON basically is

1124
01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:14,250
the channel and it says, okay,
these five 610 20 files,

1125
01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:17,400
different feed URLs, these are
all these are all our chat. This

1126
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:18,150
is our channel

1127
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:19,500
Adam Curry: who created this
proposal?

1128
01:10:21,210 --> 01:10:25,410
Dave Jones: Kevin from this
route, originally, he came up

1129
01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:28,050
with the idea and then we, we
hashed out a few different ways

1130
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:28,620
to go on it.

1131
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:30,930
Adam Curry: What I would like is
I'd like people to implement

1132
01:10:30,930 --> 01:10:34,620
cross app comments, and then
I'll be happy with everything

1133
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:37,560
else we want to do. I'm worried
that we're getting a little, we

1134
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,200
get ahead and in the weeds, and
everyone's excited about

1135
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:44,400
creating new tags, but the
implementation is so far behind.

1136
01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:49,290
Dave Jones: Well, the cross
comments is, it's, it's got a

1137
01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:50,940
life of its own, it's
progressing

1138
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:55,230
Adam Curry: it very happy to see
it on, on the website, but I'd

1139
01:10:55,230 --> 01:11:00,990
love to be able to just respond
in pod verse or anything, and

1140
01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:05,760
is, am I right? And seeing that
fountain doesn't show

1141
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,550
transcripts? Am I'm just missing
where it is.

1142
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:13,530
Dave Jones: I don't know if they
do or not. I don't let as a

1143
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,000
question, I do not know the
answer to

1144
01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:21,390
Adam Curry: Okay. So I know it.
It. I love all these tags. But

1145
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,990
I'm also very close to the
implementation. Like, okay, when

1146
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:26,700
are we going to do certain
things?

1147
01:11:27,540 --> 01:11:32,520
Dave Jones: I guess you and me,
we just got to do I mean, like,

1148
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:37,860
we just have to wait for this.
This is the delay between the

1149
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:43,890
content gets made. And then we
have to wait for the apps to

1150
01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:44,460
catch up.

1151
01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:47,250
Adam Curry: But I totally,
totally agree. I'm just worried

1152
01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:50,430
that when we talk about the
stuff, this kind of stuff on on,

1153
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:53,130
on the in the board meeting,
we're all kind of focused in

1154
01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:55,620
future, which is good, because
we want to always be innovating

1155
01:11:55,620 --> 01:12:00,120
and driving forward. So it was
interesting. That's why I was

1156
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,700
interested in where'd this
request come from? So does

1157
01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:05,010
Buzzsprout have people
requesting this? Do they have

1158
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,400
they have podcasters requesting
this feature? And what can I

1159
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,890
compare it to? And then, you
know, that's just for

1160
01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:13,620
prioritization of where people
want to implement stuff. And

1161
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:16,860
sometimes, I think that shifts
and, you know, cross app

1162
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:19,440
comments we've been talking
about since the inception of the

1163
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,340
project almost. And we're so
close.

1164
01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:29,910
Dave Jones: It happens gradually
than suddenly. I think, because

1165
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:35,820
once and I'm glad, I'm glad it's
going slow. Because we get to

1166
01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:40,170
learn and see what's wrong as we
go. We've got the spec, see

1167
01:12:40,170 --> 01:12:42,810
that, across comments is really
naughty. It's not about the

1168
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:48,960
spec. The spec is, is dead, it's
dead simple. It's just a URL.

1169
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:56,280
The spec is not the problem. The
spec was so easy. And all of the

1170
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,520
problems come from
implementation. Brian Right.

1171
01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:59,730
That's

1172
01:12:59,730 --> 01:13:01,710
Adam Curry: why That's why I
want to keep keep the focus

1173
01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:04,560
coming back to it whenever I
can, because the implementation

1174
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,740
seems to be stalled, although
not true in the past week or so

1175
01:13:07,740 --> 01:13:13,320
with Nathan doing. Doing the
stuff on on podcast index.org To

1176
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,080
show the comments, but you still
can't comment from there either.

1177
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,050
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, that's,
that's coming though, because

1178
01:13:19,050 --> 01:13:22,680
that's, that's they're working
on that as well as get Geremy

1179
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:27,600
and Nathan, and, and some other
guys that are where they're

1180
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,240
hashing out what the yuan is
supposed to localize et Cie, I

1181
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:37,140
think that once if if we can get
that working on. And I shouldn't

1182
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:43,380
say we because then if they get
it working, and I've pushed to

1183
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:46,950
production, the latest changes
yesterday, I think so it's it's

1184
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:51,900
up to date with what they've
given me to put. If we can get

1185
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:54,750
that working, I think that can
become a reference a reference

1186
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:55,650
implementation

1187
01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:59,610
Adam Curry: on the website on
our website. Yeah. And when

1188
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:01,620
Dave Jones: you want to say hey,
go go support cross app

1189
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:05,430
comments. Go to our website,
look at the way it's

1190
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:09,960
implemented. And even though you
know, the UI you are part is

1191
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,370
not, it's up to you, but here's
how we expect this thing to

1192
01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:19,170
function. Got it. Got it. And
that just this just takes time

1193
01:14:19,170 --> 01:14:22,230
to develop, you know, I mean,
they they have to work out those

1194
01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:24,330
books because they're right now
they're they're going back and

1195
01:14:24,330 --> 01:14:27,840
forth about different things
about like, Where does should

1196
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,900
this pop out? Should it be in
page like a lot of a lot of

1197
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:34,440
implementation details which you
just have to kind of play with

1198
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,410
and throw things at the wall and
see what sticks. Okay, fair,

1199
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,730
fair. Yeah, it's moving though.
The chair the reason I brought

1200
01:14:41,730 --> 01:14:43,800
up the channels things because
it's been out there for a long

1201
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,540
time. Is probably this proposal
is probably six months old. And

1202
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:51,090
if not, maybe a little bit
older. It was originally

1203
01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:55,590
originally came out when? When
Apple because Apple brought out

1204
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:57,900
this feature called channels,
but it only works through

1205
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:03,300
podcasts, Apple podcasts connect
So you can define a channel. And

1206
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:06,000
you can say, okay, these five
shows are part of my channel.

1207
01:15:06,210 --> 01:15:11,910
Right? And Kevin, Kevin's
initial proposal was, hey, this

1208
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:15,600
seems like we can do this in an
open source way. That's not

1209
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,260
proprietary to Apple or Spotify,
right? So if we can replicate

1210
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:24,750
this open source, then we would
all have this ability to do we

1211
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:26,610
don't have the ability to do
this, and we can, but it

1212
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:27,510
wouldn't be locked in.

1213
01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,640
Adam Curry: No, no, of course,
we always want to do that. I'm

1214
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,390
just trying to figure out who,
who needs this. I have never

1215
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:37,680
thought about doing a channel.
Even apples. I mean, I gave up

1216
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,170
on Apple A long time ago. I
don't know if I can get this

1217
01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:42,900
into podcast connect anymore. I
don't know if I have an account.

1218
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:46,170
Dave Jones: Last time you logged
into PUC Apple podcasts in the

1219
01:15:46,170 --> 01:15:46,890
years ago,

1220
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,990
Adam Curry: years, maybe five
years ago. I don't know if I can

1221
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:54,990
still get in at all. I mean,
it's just there. And when I gave

1222
01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:57,900
up my Mac, you know, it was when
when Mac started to screw up the

1223
01:15:57,930 --> 01:16:01,710
the hardware was broken,
basically USB hardware. And I

1224
01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:06,450
gave it up I went to Windows.
That's funny, a lot, a lot of

1225
01:16:07,170 --> 01:16:14,970
DJs. Like, you know, like the,
you know, DJs who do you know,

1226
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,900
records, mixes, beats, etc. They
all they all went to Windows

1227
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:21,510
because the Mac just was really,
really sucking

1228
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:27,090
Dave Jones: the say you said?
Yeah, no, go ahead. Yeah, you

1229
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:31,800
said DJ DJs. And that that
reminded me. So that was another

1230
01:16:32,190 --> 01:16:37,440
use case. That's another use
case for this for the channels

1231
01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:41,790
is in order to have a so here's
an let me find it.

1232
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:45,660
Adam Curry: There's a DJ music
near me. Yeah, like

1233
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:49,830
Dave Jones: there's a DJ, that's
buddies with Alex. And he popped

1234
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:51,900
into Wave Lake and he's been
publishing his.

1235
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,120
Adam Curry: Yeah, I saw that saw
that.

1236
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,930
Dave Jones: And the way he's
doing it, here it is James

1237
01:16:57,930 --> 01:17:03,120
Dietrich's. And so the way his
wavelength feeds are detox

1238
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:08,640
music, D ETS. Oh, 0x. And the
way he's doing is he's doing

1239
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,200
like a release a song. He's
doing a release every, every

1240
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:18,960
week on Sundays. And each
release is a new feed. That has

1241
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:19,950
one track in it.

1242
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,670
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. So
okay, so that would be now hit

1243
01:17:23,670 --> 01:17:28,560
now we get into that would be
appropriate for channel. But,

1244
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:32,130
man, what a shitty name. When
you when it comes to music?

1245
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:38,340
Dave Jones: And music channel?
Yeah. Yeah. But that's the F. Le

1246
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:40,200
I guess, I guess radios or
stations. Right.

1247
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,620
Adam Curry: And yeah, I mean,
that's always the problem. And

1248
01:17:43,650 --> 01:17:45,720
nomenclature is always going to
be an issue.

1249
01:17:47,490 --> 01:17:49,290
Dave Jones: Just you know,
because well, you name something

1250
01:17:49,290 --> 01:17:51,390
is super important. That's the
most important thing.

1251
01:17:51,450 --> 01:17:53,730
Adam Curry: Yeah, as you know,
and you should never ever make

1252
01:17:53,730 --> 01:17:56,880
it a 2.0. And at any point,
unless it's RSS, and you could

1253
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:57,300
do that.

1254
01:17:57,719 --> 01:18:01,349
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the
only time it's allowable. RSS

1255
01:18:01,349 --> 01:18:04,169
2.0. Everything else is
bombastic. H detox

1256
01:18:04,170 --> 01:18:07,800
Adam Curry: with a with a with a
with a line through the O. So if

1257
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,840
you search for detox, you don't
get it.

1258
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,930
Dave Jones: Oh, that's not a
zero. I thought it was a zero.

1259
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,170
Was that a zero? Let me try
zero. Maybe that's a Unicode

1260
01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:16,590
character

1261
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:19,680
Adam Curry: it is and so when I
search for detox with that, zero

1262
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,290
that line through it, which I
don't have on my keyboard, I

1263
01:18:22,290 --> 01:18:23,580
don't get any results.

1264
01:18:24,150 --> 01:18:27,210
Dave Jones: Oh, James, you're
blowing up my search. Yeah.

1265
01:18:28,139 --> 01:18:31,949
Adam Curry: How do I how do I
get that? That that funky. Oh,

1266
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:32,939
do we do the

1267
01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,840
Dave Jones: copy and paste? Oh,
yeah. Now let's see it. Yep. Oh,

1268
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,750
he's got some pretty album art.
Gracious. So let's talk

1269
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:42,540
Adam Curry: about music for a
second. Okay, which we also

1270
01:18:42,540 --> 01:18:48,870
pitch to Pocket Casts? That was
really good. You did that. I

1271
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:50,250
think I saw Matt go.

1272
01:18:52,170 --> 01:18:53,310
Dave Jones: Everybody loves
music.

1273
01:18:53,580 --> 01:18:58,080
Adam Curry: Yeah. And so where
are we at with with dystopia and

1274
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,130
wave like are they now actually?
are they submitting or are

1275
01:19:02,130 --> 01:19:04,770
people just submitting
individually still,

1276
01:19:05,549 --> 01:19:12,599
Dave Jones: dystopia is wave
Lake is not. And so we've got

1277
01:19:12,599 --> 01:19:16,319
the WaveLight guys coming on at
for for a another attempt at

1278
01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:17,189
being on the show.

1279
01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:20,520
Adam Curry: No one blames you
for this Dave.

1280
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:25,230
Dave Jones: Thank goodness.
Okay. So in three weeks, they

1281
01:19:25,230 --> 01:19:29,760
will be back on the show. And
we've got lots of music stuff to

1282
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,670
discuss with them and what their
date. I'll let them speak for

1283
01:19:35,670 --> 01:19:40,290
themselves but I think thumbnail
sketch is that they really want

1284
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:47,760
the apps to be ready to have a
good music experience. Before

1285
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,680
they start feeding everything
into it before everything is an

1286
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,740
RSS feed already but before they
start really going public and

1287
01:19:55,740 --> 01:20:00,420
trying to push it because in I
so from our from our part I went

1288
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:06,390
and downloaded a couple of
albums into my podcast into cast

1289
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:11,550
Matic. And out of the box, it's
terrible. It's a terrible

1290
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:12,060
experience.

1291
01:20:12,660 --> 01:20:15,570
Adam Curry: Of course. Yeah.
Makes

1292
01:20:15,570 --> 01:20:17,460
Dave Jones: Yeah. Because they,
yeah, because the podcast app

1293
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:19,800
thinks these are episodes and
you listen to the track

1294
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,610
disappears. It was

1295
01:20:20,610 --> 01:20:26,010
Adam Curry: also someone who
asked me came into the to the

1296
01:20:26,010 --> 01:20:29,820
inferred podcast index.org.
About how we ordered them that

1297
01:20:29,820 --> 01:20:33,780
there's a way to order the
episodes in a certain way that

1298
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:37,410
comes through from Buzzsprout.
But somehow, it wasn't showing

1299
01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:40,140
up correctly on podcast index,
you know, I'm talking about.

1300
01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:42,420
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the
serial versus episode.

1301
01:20:42,450 --> 01:20:44,970
Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that a tag?
Is that a is that a switch? What

1302
01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:46,230
is that? How does that work?

1303
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,230
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's an
iTunes tag that till this says,

1304
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,730
I says, Is this a? Is this just
a show that lasts forever? And

1305
01:20:53,730 --> 01:20:57,480
produces a producer as an
episode on a schedule I? Or is

1306
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:02,370
this just or is this meant to be
like, different like, like a

1307
01:21:02,370 --> 01:21:06,030
single run thing where you're
where you really need to listen

1308
01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:06,810
to it in order

1309
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,390
Adam Curry: 12345? Right, which
would also be the way you'd want

1310
01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:14,070
an album done. Yeah, yep. Yep,
yep. Okay. Wow, there's so much

1311
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:17,400
to do. I don't even know how we
get people to focus on adding

1312
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,540
music to their apps.

1313
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:22,350
Dave Jones: Well, I contacted
Franco on podcast index dot

1314
01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:26,820
social, and just, it just gave
him like a, like a hit list. I

1315
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,890
was like, hey, you know, if you
had a music mode, where, because

1316
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:37,320
he parses the feed in app, it
since he parses the RSS

1317
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,500
directly, he'll be able to see
that the music medium tag is

1318
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,040
there. And if he sees that, to
me, it makes sense to go ahead

1319
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:49,620
and prep. Set a bunch of
settings. By default. Make it

1320
01:21:49,620 --> 01:21:53,100
set it where there's, it's
forced to one point x speed.

1321
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:58,230
Adam Curry: In fact, to speed up
from the speed up, no. Oh, man,

1322
01:21:58,230 --> 01:22:03,120
I've so many ideas now. Go at
four times speed and say do you

1323
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,420
like this? Do you like this?
Podcast? Do you like this is

1324
01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:08,430
what you really want you crazy
nut job?

1325
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:12,390
Dave Jones: It's like it's, it's
beating you. You want some more

1326
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:12,930
of this? Yeah.

1327
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,360
Adam Curry: Would you like a
podcast? How about this music?

1328
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,670
Was it was it podcast addict
that released for x? Yeah,

1329
01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:26,940
pocket podcasts guru podcast
guru. That's crazy. And who

1330
01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:29,220
requested that I need to know. I
need to know.

1331
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,830
Dave Jones: It came through on
my test flight. And I posted it

1332
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:35,970
to Jason and he never responded.
So I'm not sure. But didn't hurt

1333
01:22:35,970 --> 01:22:42,330
his feelings. I was just playing
around. Yeah, no. But that's. So

1334
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:46,200
if you had that, where the app
says, Oh, here's a music

1335
01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:51,570
podcast, I'm going to I'm going
to reshuffle myself and be here,

1336
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:54,780
I'm going to play tracks in
order. It's only it's only going

1337
01:22:54,780 --> 01:22:59,520
to be normal speed, I'm going to
take off, like audio record

1338
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,280
audio enhancements like voice
boost and all this jazz. And

1339
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,970
then it goes back to sort of
like this default Music Mode. To

1340
01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:09,960
me, that would get us half
halfway there were no more

1341
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:10,590
transcript

1342
01:23:10,590 --> 01:23:14,250
Adam Curry: becomes lyrics, all
kinds of all kinds of beautiful

1343
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:16,920
stuff. We can all be done. The
thing is the content is now

1344
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,930
there, it's coming in. So all
and all you have to do is if

1345
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,840
you're if you're developing look
for the medium tag. Now we don't

1346
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,320
we have didn't you work on an
endpoint for that for the medium

1347
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,620
tag? Or is that just the medium
tag? Where there was a search? I

1348
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:32,130
think

1349
01:23:32,730 --> 01:23:36,900
Dave Jones: it's, I think what I
what I landed on was creating

1350
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:41,160
different sub group different
groupings within the endpoint.

1351
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:46,530
So now, now you have standard
what you know API, see an API

1352
01:23:46,530 --> 01:23:51,810
you have like slash search slash
by term. And now there's a new

1353
01:23:51,810 --> 01:23:57,030
one that's slash music slash
search slash butter. So cool,

1354
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:59,730
right, gonna be subgroups for
each medium type.

1355
01:23:59,879 --> 01:24:02,339
Adam Curry: And here's what I'd
say to you app developers. Why

1356
01:24:02,369 --> 01:24:07,529
why I think that there's a good
reason for you to consider.

1357
01:24:08,069 --> 01:24:12,179
Consider putting a music
version, you know, putting some

1358
01:24:12,179 --> 01:24:17,759
music UX into your app. If you
think podcasters were waiting

1359
01:24:17,999 --> 01:24:21,779
for something, you have no idea
the amount of people who make

1360
01:24:21,779 --> 01:24:28,409
music, who already know are
halfway there with with. Some of

1361
01:24:28,409 --> 01:24:32,699
them even have RSS feeds or
doing encloses already. There's

1362
01:24:32,729 --> 01:24:37,139
no to hosting companies that add
the medium tag that we're aware

1363
01:24:37,139 --> 01:24:41,669
of. Go look at the unhappiness
of people who are on Spotify. Go

1364
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:47,189
look at the comparisons are all
over the place. This is a huge,

1365
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:51,269
huge international group of
content producers who will flock

1366
01:24:51,269 --> 01:24:57,209
to you. Yeah, they will. They
will swarm you. I can guarantee

1367
01:24:57,209 --> 01:25:01,169
it but we just need some good
examples. I know music side

1368
01:25:01,169 --> 01:25:05,939
project is a great start. But I
think that's really the only

1369
01:25:05,939 --> 01:25:06,329
one.

1370
01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:11,400
Dave Jones: That is the only
one. There's I would say that

1371
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:19,500
the music, the potential market
for music, podcasting is huge,

1372
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:24,360
because there's so many
excellent music artists, that

1373
01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:30,120
will they just cannot rise to
the level to have a living wage

1374
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,860
on a traditional plus streaming
platform. It'll never, it'll

1375
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:37,260
never happen. They know. And
they know it's not going to

1376
01:25:37,260 --> 01:25:43,590
happen. Yeah. But just like a
just like a midsize podcaster if

1377
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:48,600
they could produce their
content, and make a few $100 a

1378
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:54,270
month off of it. They would be
so happy, of course. And that'd

1379
01:25:54,270 --> 01:25:55,740
be more possible. Yeah.

1380
01:25:56,940 --> 01:25:59,160
Adam Curry: Beats for saps Yeah,
tone record. Thank you.

1381
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:07,050
Dave Jones: Yeah, I've got an
idea. In my head for a cool feel

1382
01:26:07,050 --> 01:26:13,140
cool. Music podcast app. Okay,
experience. And I don't want to

1383
01:26:13,140 --> 01:26:15,750
actually write it because we've,
you know, we've already

1384
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,890
Adam Curry: No, no one wants you
doing anything else. Well, we

1385
01:26:19,890 --> 01:26:23,190
can we can't stretch you any
thinner. No, no, no, make more

1386
01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:24,930
charts. Don't do an app.

1387
01:26:25,559 --> 01:26:29,129
Dave Jones: Charts. They? It's
because you know, we've we've

1388
01:26:29,129 --> 01:26:31,319
always promised we were not
going to compete in those areas

1389
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:36,329
with people. But if nobody else
does it. Don't make me do it.

1390
01:26:36,329 --> 01:26:36,779
People.

1391
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:39,300
Adam Curry: You want to talk
about your idea. You just we

1392
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,180
just want to know. Oh, well, how
well

1393
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:44,160
Dave Jones: no, no, I do have
enough. Okay, I'll talk about

1394
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,520
the idea is this is just kind of
stupid. Simple. It's GPG music.

1395
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:57,060
It is not music. It's even
stupider than that. Okay. The

1396
01:26:57,060 --> 01:27:00,450
idea is that you go to let's
just let's what are we going to

1397
01:27:00,450 --> 01:27:02,160
call this theoretical app?

1398
01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:11,430
Adam Curry: noster I'm sorry.
mostre. Moscow taken

1399
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:11,820
Dave Jones: to

1400
01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:13,650
Adam Curry: really, man. Okay.

1401
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:20,190
Dave Jones: music music. Pod
music. No, this is Oh,

1402
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:23,670
Adam Curry: wow, that was no
name his name ever? No, no, I've

1403
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:24,120
got a good

1404
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,580
Dave Jones: one. I've got I've
got a good ear shot or shot dot

1405
01:27:26,580 --> 01:27:28,140
F. Oh,

1406
01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:30,810
Adam Curry: I like that. Okay,
did you register that already?

1407
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:33,660
Dave Jones: I did not. It's
still available, but it's too

1408
01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:40,140
expensive. It's like 80 bucks.
So you go to earshot.fm. And

1409
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:46,380
you're just presented with, with
just sort of a swirling, look at

1410
01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:48,630
like, you're in a like you're
gonna like you're in a storm or

1411
01:27:48,630 --> 01:27:52,290
a fog. Just nothing there. All
there is is a prompt, just a

1412
01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:57,720
blinking carrot prompt for you
to type something like that. And

1413
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:05,550
you type you type in if you type
in, let's just say country, or

1414
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,600
dance or something like that.
And music just begins to play.

1415
01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:13,980
And they're all it's all it just
does a quick query into the

1416
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:16,980
music search endpoint in podcast
index. And just start playing

1417
01:28:16,980 --> 01:28:22,650
music. There's there's no fancy
stuff. It's just a stupid dumb

1418
01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:31,800
but it's but it's an example of,
of podcast music. Delivery. Hmm

1419
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,260
Adam Curry: sounds a bit like
Pandora. In a way.

1420
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:38,880
Dave Jones: Perhaps,

1421
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:42,600
Adam Curry: man earshot.fm was
100 bucks a year now that guy's

1422
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,470
making out

1423
01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:45,990
Dave Jones: the FM guy

1424
01:28:46,019 --> 01:28:49,049
Adam Curry: yeah the.fm I think
he's one of the biggest sponsors

1425
01:28:49,049 --> 01:28:54,269
of the conference in Vegas. No
wonder cheap No wonder $100

1426
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,180
Dave Jones: Oh, does the FM GOD
DOES HE IS HE part of pockets

1427
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:57,570
move? Yeah,

1428
01:28:57,570 --> 01:29:02,610
Adam Curry: I saw um, I saw
sponsoring.fm everybody.fm Get

1429
01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:04,470
your get dot.fm here

1430
01:29:06,270 --> 01:29:09,900
Dave Jones: that's that's a lot
FM is like the cheapest one have

1431
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:11,100
ever seen is like 80 bucks.

1432
01:29:11,130 --> 01:29:14,430
Adam Curry: Yeah, I just checked
his $100 for earshot I love you

1433
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:15,630
man. But I'm not buying that.

1434
01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,420
Dave Jones: No, I'm not either.
I don't I don't even love me

1435
01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:26,340
that I like that. Yeah, I think
I think there's there's a this

1436
01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:30,390
this is a huge, huge fun music
discovery.

1437
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:32,130
Adam Curry: And then of course
you can save them and have a

1438
01:29:32,130 --> 01:29:34,500
library and all that groovy
stuff. Yeah, it makes nothing

1439
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:38,370
but sense makes nothing but
sense. I totally agree. And it

1440
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:41,670
probably a whole new separate
app. But we'll we'll consider

1441
01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:44,970
we'll treat it just like one of
our own. No matter who comes up

1442
01:29:44,970 --> 01:29:47,880
with anything any any any music
app, any other app that you

1443
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,360
consider movie app, whatever.
We'll consider it one of our

1444
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,520
own. We will adopt it right
away.

1445
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,980
Dave Jones: You know, don't I
guess one of the what I say is

1446
01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:04,110
don't make Steven B He do all
the work. Exactly. And then he's

1447
01:30:04,110 --> 01:30:04,680
got a job

1448
01:30:04,710 --> 01:30:07,950
Adam Curry: Steven B is an
amazing guy. He just so much

1449
01:30:08,130 --> 01:30:11,400
thank a few people people have
been boosting us during the

1450
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:15,360
show. Let's see I'll use
comments or Blogger as the

1451
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,800
delimiter 1000 stops from Bill
pragae says you want to use

1452
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,950
music in your podcast just add
splits to music posted to the

1453
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:31,770
music tag yeah well I thought we
talked about the remote item

1454
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,560
being the way to do that. Was it
remote item

1455
01:30:34,980 --> 01:30:36,540
Dave Jones: maybe I don't
understand what he's saying and

1456
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,070
Adam Curry: I don't think I
understand it either.

1457
01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:40,200
Dave Jones: Just add sounds like
he's just saying put the music

1458
01:30:40,230 --> 01:30:40,950
in music medium

1459
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:45,090
Adam Curry: No, no, no no I said
just add splits to music posted

1460
01:30:45,090 --> 01:30:48,600
to the music. He's asking you a
question I'm not sure send us

1461
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,030
10,000 sites with a better
phrase or better

1462
01:30:53,460 --> 01:30:55,350
Dave Jones: we quite we didn't
quite undescribed

1463
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:57,420
Adam Curry: understand I think
it's more SATs it'll we'll

1464
01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:00,570
understand it better. That's
coming into curio caster of

1465
01:31:00,570 --> 01:31:04,410
course curio caster great for
the lit shows 4321 from tone

1466
01:31:04,410 --> 01:31:08,220
wrecker. Previous pod speeding
penance, I slowed it back to one

1467
01:31:08,220 --> 01:31:15,060
time speed All right. Another
life saved or created. Bill

1468
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,290
Prague again. 5000 SATs kind
regards to zap nostril mask

1469
01:31:19,290 --> 01:31:25,050
maxis. Okay. Because I don't
know. But I oh yeah,

1470
01:31:25,139 --> 01:31:26,279
Dave Jones: I don't know. Bills
drunk.

1471
01:31:28,620 --> 01:31:31,710
Adam Curry: But he's not he's
not drunk boosting properly it

1472
01:31:31,710 --> 01:31:37,680
should be more. Let's see. We
have Hey, citizens. 6969 Brian

1473
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,890
of London. He says renegotiate
the car podcast listening rules.

1474
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,260
I don't know what people are
talking about today.

1475
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:46,740
Dave Jones: I don't know what
any of this mean. I don't need

1476
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:50,820
Adam Curry: a chat F 33,333.
Adam, can we get the origin

1477
01:31:50,820 --> 01:31:54,390
story of big baller people see
it in Fountain, but don't know

1478
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:57,930
where it came from? Oh, I know.
Of course. This came from mo

1479
01:31:57,930 --> 01:32:05,550
fax. Mo fax and Mo gave it to
me. It started off by whenever

1480
01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:08,310
we got a big donation value for
value. Oh

1481
01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:12,300
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on
am Paula

1482
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,190
Adam Curry: and then I asked him
if we could use it on

1483
01:32:14,370 --> 01:32:17,070
podcasting. 2.0. And of course,
he said yeah. And then other

1484
01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:20,340
people took it and said, Hey,
man, I told him I said it's gone

1485
01:32:20,340 --> 01:32:23,490
yet. It has a life of its own.
He's just happy. He's happy with

1486
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:29,250
that. So that's the origin of
it. Bouverie 17,776 Please allow

1487
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:31,890
on the next series of tags for
streamable payments of Dr.

1488
01:32:31,890 --> 01:32:37,710
Pepper. Um, there baby. Thank
you. Okay. Here's Brian. Oh,

1489
01:32:37,710 --> 01:32:41,220
here's Oh, I see it was a follow
up. We had not we need a way to

1490
01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:46,110
connect the booster gram to
boost the gram. What Bill pragae

1491
01:32:46,110 --> 01:32:51,540
was saying was a bill. No tone
record was no who was it? Hey,

1492
01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:54,210
citizen. Hey, citizen
renegotiate that. Okay, here we

1493
01:32:54,210 --> 01:32:58,620
go. This is the original from
Brian of London with 51,948

1494
01:32:58,620 --> 01:33:02,460
SATs. Thank you very much for us
or Brian. My wife will only let

1495
01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:05,820
me listen to the show in the car
when Adam is spinning 80s tracks

1496
01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:06,870
and nostalgia.

1497
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,360
Dave Jones: Nice. Well.

1498
01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:12,330
Adam Curry: That's just not
going to happen. Because that's

1499
01:33:12,330 --> 01:33:15,870
a huge violation of rights. And
I didn't like that myself. But

1500
01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:19,200
once in a while you just got to
break the law, you know, sorry,

1501
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,050
pirate radio or just replace
your wife. How about that was

1502
01:33:22,050 --> 01:33:26,070
maybe a better idea. Easier.
much easier, much easier to get

1503
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:29,880
me to do that again. Hey,
citizen again. 69. Six times I

1504
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,460
think Satoshi value for value
payment crypto transaction

1505
01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:39,120
color, whatever you like. Yes,
we will. Fletcher 88,888. Oh,

1506
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:43,290
the lucky eight Satoshi slam. He
says what does he have here? He

1507
01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,650
has a URL with this. Let's see
what Satoshi slam is good

1508
01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:47,640
Unknown: to see.

1509
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:49,680
Adam Curry: Nice.

1510
01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:50,550
Dave Jones: Nice.

1511
01:33:50,610 --> 01:33:53,190
Adam Curry: I'll take that one.
Let me say that one right away.

1512
01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:59,640
So as that's the number for
Satoshi slam is 88,888

1513
01:34:00,510 --> 01:34:03,090
Dave Jones: Oh, I love that.
Yeah. Okay.

1514
01:34:03,150 --> 01:34:05,640
Adam Curry: Let's hear Nice. Let
me see. I just want to save this

1515
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:10,650
one. So we have that for
prosperity. That is cool. Hinata

1516
01:34:10,650 --> 01:34:18,780
yen so to see slash Nice. That's
good. That's really love it.

1517
01:34:18,780 --> 01:34:22,590
Love it. Love it. Love it.
33,333 from Dred Scott formerly

1518
01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:26,640
with ADHD no longer thanks to
his auntie pod move. He says

1519
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:30,090
he's here. He says DJ Adam can
please play me some more Stevie

1520
01:34:30,090 --> 01:34:38,190
No, no, we can't do that. Eric p
p 33,333. Just says boost boost.

1521
01:34:38,670 --> 01:34:44,370
Then we have Macintosh 2100
SATs. Sorry, Dave. I looked at

1522
01:34:44,370 --> 01:34:47,430
the front end code for new
podcast apps.com And I just

1523
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:51,750
can't update it. I don't know,
react from whatever other front

1524
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:54,600
end frameworks are out there. My
front end work ended with

1525
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:59,880
blinking gifs in HTML and 2001
Dude, remember red ball dot GIF

1526
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,690
I had that one. I thought it was
something I could help you out

1527
01:35:03,690 --> 01:35:06,750
with. So all your React front
end people get on it and make a

1528
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:07,950
pull request.

1529
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:13,200
Dave Jones: No problem. I don't
know react either. So silly. Not

1530
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:13,740
a Number

1531
01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:16,590
Adam Curry: I at one point I
even wanted to change something.

1532
01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:19,350
I can't remember what it was I
wanted to, to add a link and I

1533
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:22,650
went into the GitHub. I'm like,
I don't understand this is this

1534
01:35:22,650 --> 01:35:27,390
is not Drupal. Drupal.

1535
01:35:28,290 --> 01:35:30,240
Dave Jones: When you look at
React for the first time, it's

1536
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,750
complete insanity. It's some
bastardized version of

1537
01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:40,350
JavaScript. That's with HTML
inline embedded with it. It's

1538
01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:41,760
your head spins.

1539
01:35:41,790 --> 01:35:43,950
Adam Curry: Yes, because I want
I know, I wanted to put a link

1540
01:35:43,950 --> 01:35:46,650
to value for value dot info,
like that might be helpful.

1541
01:35:46,740 --> 01:35:49,140
That's all I wanted to do. I
want to add a link. I'm sure I

1542
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:51,750
can jack that in somewhere if at
least I can see code that looks

1543
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:55,710
like a page. But no, yeah, good
luck. Yeah, no idea. Martin

1544
01:35:55,710 --> 01:35:58,110
Linda's Koch Adam and Dave,
thanks for podcasting. 2.0

1545
01:35:58,110 --> 01:36:02,250
certified t shirt. Liberty
boost. Oh, six. Satoshis all the

1546
01:36:02,250 --> 01:36:11,100
best. Hey, did we neglect Chad's
t shirt? I think do we? Oh, Chad

1547
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:12,060
f a t shirt.

1548
01:36:12,930 --> 01:36:14,490
Dave Jones: I think I said Oh,
you did?

1549
01:36:15,630 --> 01:36:18,720
Adam Curry: Because I had a note
here. I don't just a note. A

1550
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:23,700
note a note. Sure this. Todd
Cochrane chapter checking in

1551
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:27,510
from Podcast Movement
evolutions. 25,000 SATs lots of

1552
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:30,780
great podcasting 2.0
conversations here at pm

1553
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:35,640
evolutions go podcast a podcast.
Yeah, man. I'd love that Todd's

1554
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,880
there. We know for sure

1555
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:43,890
Dave Jones: on February 28 So
Excellent. Well hello.

1556
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:48,300
Adam Curry: Bring it on to the
show Burb boo boo berry of

1557
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,180
behind the schemes and Sir
Spencer of bowl after bowl the

1558
01:36:51,180 --> 01:36:54,570
gutter punk innovators of 2.0
worth chatting with him in the

1559
01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:59,160
in the boardroom says lavish
with a 100,000 sat boost

1560
01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:04,050
Unknown: Sakala 20 in his blades
on the Impala

1561
01:37:05,130 --> 01:37:06,990
Dave Jones: it would be they
want to see the chart go up

1562
01:37:06,990 --> 01:37:09,840
tomorrow as was happening. This
is all about oh this

1563
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,990
Adam Curry: chart is going to be
great. But But of course if you

1564
01:37:12,990 --> 01:37:15,690
don't change it then it'll be
down again tomorrow. It's so

1565
01:37:15,690 --> 01:37:19,440
it's such you know what it is?
You know if you want walk past a

1566
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:24,240
watch store. And maybe maybe
this isn't that way. I think the

1567
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:29,820
wait typically is all the
watches are set to 1010 10

1568
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:32,880
minutes after 10 Because that
looks like a happy face.

1569
01:37:34,770 --> 01:37:37,110
Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Okay,

1570
01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:40,020
Adam Curry: so this this chart
the minute you go to, like all

1571
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,130
these guys are in trouble.

1572
01:37:42,090 --> 01:37:45,390
Dave Jones: This is like this.
It's like silk is like svbc

1573
01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:45,960
stock.

1574
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:49,050
Adam Curry: Yes, it does. It
doesn't look like this is bad or

1575
01:37:49,050 --> 01:37:51,510
this is not going well. I don't
want to promote it until that

1576
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:53,100
until we have a happy uptick.

1577
01:37:53,550 --> 01:37:55,530
Dave Jones: So they were doing
great until their Lena brothers

1578
01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:56,220
moment right there.

1579
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,990
Adam Curry: We definitely need
to have some, you know, I'm not

1580
01:38:00,990 --> 01:38:05,730
a big fan of multiple people in
the boardroom. Just because it's

1581
01:38:05,730 --> 01:38:12,360
just tough. But I'd love to have
one or someone on to discuss the

1582
01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:17,040
the gutter punk innovators of
what's happening with the IRC

1583
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,740
bots. I mean, there's some
really interesting stuff in

1584
01:38:19,740 --> 01:38:22,770
there. We should just do now
let's do it. Let's do that.

1585
01:38:22,770 --> 01:38:28,500
Okay. And then I hit the
delimiter so you want to thank

1586
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:32,490
our Fiat Meanwhile, I'll go take
a look and make sure we haven't

1587
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:36,540
make sure we haven't missed any
tally coin that no one ever the

1588
01:38:36,540 --> 01:38:40,050
only person who ever does tally
coin is dread. Dread but we love

1589
01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:42,810
it. We love it for sure.

1590
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:44,730
Dave Jones: He just does it as
an old check to make sure the

1591
01:38:44,730 --> 01:38:51,000
cars running all right yeah 30
cc chat F 3333 through pod verse

1592
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,100
he says I think the best part of
the dance party board meeting

1593
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:57,780
yesterday was half people
compete complete each other song

1594
01:38:57,780 --> 01:39:00,180
request donation amounts
something about that just felt

1595
01:39:00,180 --> 01:39:00,660
magical.

1596
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,920
Adam Curry: It was and it showed
me that there's so much we can

1597
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:08,280
do with with lit which is
another thing that we know needs

1598
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,230
more promotion the What a
fantastic format what a great

1599
01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:17,910
way as a podcaster to up your
game to involve your community

1600
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:22,680
right right live in real time
and and to make money I mean it

1601
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,530
really showed that the community
rallies around you and they come

1602
01:39:25,530 --> 01:39:28,530
up with their own games I love
that was great. Thank you.

1603
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,230
Dave Jones: Let me ask you is is
Opie three measuring the live

1604
01:39:34,230 --> 01:39:40,350
stream also? Do you have the pre
op three prefix in front of the

1605
01:39:40,350 --> 01:39:43,170
live stream URL? Oh, that's a
good question when I take a look

1606
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:48,480
because I would love to know
which apps are using it the most

1607
01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:52,110
I do actually. Okay, so we
should be able to look and see

1608
01:39:52,110 --> 01:39:56,460
if pod verse, podcast addict
curio caster. I'd love to see a

1609
01:39:56,460 --> 01:39:59,790
breakdown of that and and also
to monitor if any new apps come

1610
01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:01,950
on line because I know there's
one that's supposed to be coming

1611
01:40:01,950 --> 01:40:02,700
on good

1612
01:40:02,700 --> 01:40:05,100
Adam Curry: good good good yeah
oh p three dot Dev and I've

1613
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:08,970
listened that no agenda
stream.com/no agenda. So that's

1614
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:12,240
just point to the stream. But
John Spurlock is a is in he's in

1615
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,490
Vegas getting drunk with
everybody so it'll he's not

1616
01:40:14,490 --> 01:40:17,040
listening it'll take a while.
That's true.

1617
01:40:19,980 --> 01:40:23,130
Dave Jones: See, we need you
back in Dallas John. Let's see

1618
01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:26,280
I'm 2112 through fountain he
says this is a replay of

1619
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,010
yesterday's Liberty boost
regarding the song 55 million

1620
01:40:29,010 --> 01:40:33,390
Frenchmen 27 and Benjamin
Bella's Bill Bellamy's post

1621
01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:38,100
music tip at the music radio.com
Radio dismuke Vintage popular

1622
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:42,750
music and jazz from 1925 to 35
rows 2112 album boost Martin

1623
01:40:42,750 --> 01:40:43,440
lindskog.

1624
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,390
Adam Curry: Thank you nice nice
nice

1625
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:49,590
Dave Jones: Piette Pauling a
satchel of Richards through

1626
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:54,630
poverties is pre show boost.
What word Walter Wriston

1627
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,200
Adam Curry: filters and very
good that means good night's

1628
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:58,710
sleep tight.

1629
01:40:59,490 --> 01:41:02,730
Dave Jones: Those velcro loose
Deville turista? Yes. Anti

1630
01:41:02,730 --> 01:41:07,440
German that way. dribs got
55 555 through pod verse he says

1631
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:15,180
pre boosting. Wow. See, these?
These are so since last week's

1632
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:18,030
show was a little messy. Some of
these are coming in, you know

1633
01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:21,090
like these are like, pre boosts
from from the show before

1634
01:41:21,090 --> 01:41:22,020
because it was

1635
01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:26,730
Adam Curry: doing the pre boosts
or the Prusa. Africa's I don't

1636
01:41:26,730 --> 01:41:29,460
know I don't Yeah, they're just
probably doubling some of them.

1637
01:41:29,460 --> 01:41:32,130
There was no wait a minute
because we did a show after

1638
01:41:32,130 --> 01:41:36,960
that. I don't know. Just make
everybody doesn't matter. Thank

1639
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:37,560
everybody.

1640
01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:40,800
Dave Jones: Chad F 3333 says Can
someone unlock the door to the

1641
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,360
boardroom? I can't get into the
chat room.

1642
01:41:44,670 --> 01:41:46,830
Adam Curry: Sorry, you know,
it's locked now.

1643
01:41:47,250 --> 01:41:50,610
Dave Jones: dribs got 5555
boosting days poll work.

1644
01:41:53,070 --> 01:41:55,380
Adam Curry: I do good poll work.
You're great on the poll.

1645
01:41:56,250 --> 01:42:00,450
Dave Jones: A Chris You know
9109013 through pod vs. As you

1646
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,810
can't just go out there and do
poll work whenever you want. You

1647
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:09,990
first have to call up and put in
a poll request a poll. I love

1648
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:15,750
it. Chad F 3333 Again, and
another Chad F and he says, Hey,

1649
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:17,760
I only requested Ride the
Lightning after someone

1650
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:25,050
requested milkshake. Yes, dri
milkshake. Not a great not a

1651
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:25,380
great

1652
01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:29,040
Adam Curry: yeah, it got it got
a little weird. I told you it's

1653
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,890
like when you when you take
requests, then the flow kind of

1654
01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:33,630
gets broken somewhere along the
line.

1655
01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,110
Dave Jones: drips got 5585 says
Adam was really having fun

1656
01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:40,740
yesterday. It was great to
witness. Yeah, this is what it

1657
01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:45,390
was because we didn't read the
boosts on Saturday show. So that

1658
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:49,800
we could do in order from this
like the post show boost. Yeah,

1659
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:55,170
right. Right. Right. Yeah. Eric
PPS and it's 33 333 with no note

1660
01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:57,510
through the boost CLI. Thank
you, Eric. Thank

1661
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:58,230
Adam Curry: you very much.

1662
01:42:58,470 --> 01:43:04,260
Dave Jones: No note on that.
Phone boy 6969 Never thought I'd

1663
01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,290
be the lead into the pod father
on a Saturday. Lots of love for

1664
01:43:07,290 --> 01:43:10,290
Phoenix and I at the Lotus
effect for everything y'all are

1665
01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:11,490
doing to advance podcasting.

1666
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:14,310
Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. So
we broke into their into their

1667
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:18,240
feed because we typically use no
agenda stream on Fridays and so

1668
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:20,550
they were kind enough to give it
up for us on Saturday which we

1669
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:21,150
appreciate

1670
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,080
Dave Jones: it and again another
Phoenix 6969 Thank you for the

1671
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,600
part father for all y'all are
doing lady Phoenix and Lord

1672
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,180
phone boy the Lotus effect come
for the shenanigans stay for the

1673
01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:36,720
party. Nice. See? I think we'll
see did we

1674
01:43:38,670 --> 01:43:41,040
Adam Curry: did we read we read
those two? I remember those two?

1675
01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:41,580
We did.

1676
01:43:41,610 --> 01:43:42,330
Dave Jones: Okay. So maybe

1677
01:43:43,470 --> 01:43:46,800
Adam Curry: while you're
checking that Dred Scott came in

1678
01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:54,840
with a 121212121212 Whoa, that's
121,212 sorry, forgot to test

1679
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,750
the tally coin. Really job.
We're just kidding. Out of

1680
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:58,650
curiosity.

1681
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,080
Unknown: 20 is bleh Oh, man, I

1682
01:44:04,590 --> 01:44:07,230
Adam Curry: just have this fear
that Dred Scott is spending all

1683
01:44:07,230 --> 01:44:10,110
of his inheritance or you know,
it's like and he's gonna be out

1684
01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:12,810
on the street you know, with no
money or with a cup

1685
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:16,950
Dave Jones: is what's going to
come in one day. So what is

1686
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:17,340
this?

1687
01:44:17,370 --> 01:44:20,250
Adam Curry: I want to make sure
man that did I love you drive

1688
01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:23,490
man, but you're you are you're
supporting a lot of a lot of

1689
01:44:23,490 --> 01:44:27,960
podcasts with a lot of dough. So
just to make sure okay. Anyway,

1690
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,900
he says out of curiosity, what
kind of licensing and cost will

1691
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:34,590
be involved with doing a music
so like you did Friday, which to

1692
01:44:34,590 --> 01:44:38,970
me is dribs saying hey, I'll pay
for that? No, just so you know,

1693
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:44,550
that is actually not possible.
You cannot do that unless the

1694
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:47,760
only way you can get around it
is if you have an existing radio

1695
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,480
station with an actual radio
signal. There are rules where

1696
01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:56,700
you can duplicate that signal.
But just as a stream, you cannot

1697
01:44:56,700 --> 01:45:00,180
do a DJ show like I did on a
stream. Certainly not On a

1698
01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:04,320
downloadable podcast, the music
industry are such greedy fox,

1699
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,160
they don't make that available
to us. Otherwise, believe me, I

1700
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,140
would be doing it five days a
week.

1701
01:45:11,219 --> 01:45:14,129
Dave Jones: That's, you've
explained that to me before and

1702
01:45:14,309 --> 01:45:18,119
basically there is no they will
not give you a license to do you

1703
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:20,700
Adam Curry: know, right now. I
mean, you see what Spotify has

1704
01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:23,970
to go through. You can add music
to your show, but don't you dare

1705
01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:28,230
talk over it? No, no, no, you
have to stop and then they start

1706
01:45:28,230 --> 01:45:31,230
the music and yeah, that's the
play and fade out all the way.

1707
01:45:31,230 --> 01:45:36,510
It's horrible. Bill Praxis fu
I'm in Serbia. 10k SATs just

1708
01:45:36,510 --> 01:45:39,900
like three beers over here.
Gives us a fast I got your

1709
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:40,590
brother I got

1710
01:45:42,210 --> 01:45:44,310
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's like I'm
not gonna spend three beers to

1711
01:45:44,310 --> 01:45:45,120
explain myself and

1712
01:45:46,590 --> 01:45:49,740
Adam Curry: Brian of London 1948
is rarely freedom boosts next up

1713
01:45:49,740 --> 01:45:53,550
breaking the law but Judas
Priest home brother. I just

1714
01:45:53,550 --> 01:45:57,510
can't get away from Nathan
gathright. 2000 SATs got

1715
01:45:57,510 --> 01:46:01,890
elicited oh point five times for
a while to bring my average back

1716
01:46:01,890 --> 01:46:06,180
down. Okay, just wants you to be
healthy brother just want you to

1717
01:46:06,180 --> 01:46:08,460
be healthy. All right. That's
That's what just came in in the

1718
01:46:08,460 --> 01:46:09,840
past pass from Naples

1719
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,120
Dave Jones: and fast thinker. I
can imagine that that would be

1720
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,420
varied. Because you can tell by
the way he talks that he's his

1721
01:46:15,420 --> 01:46:20,340
mind goes fast. Yeah, but I bet
you he has to. He has to resist

1722
01:46:20,340 --> 01:46:21,660
the urge to pod speed.

1723
01:46:21,929 --> 01:46:25,889
Adam Curry: Yeah, but you want
you but he normal people around

1724
01:46:25,889 --> 01:46:28,529
him. Don't speed

1725
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,530
Dave Jones: he goes to Starbucks
like even that coffee. Yeah,

1726
01:46:34,530 --> 01:46:39,000
exactly. See Brooklyn 112.
Central Richards No, zaps. No

1727
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,620
tips. Only boosts. No.

1728
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:43,410
Adam Curry: It's okay. We're not
We're not anti zap at all.

1729
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:45,630
Unknown: No, I love it. It's

1730
01:46:45,630 --> 01:46:47,130
Adam Curry: training people for
booster grams.

1731
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:52,290
Dave Jones: After after Dave
whiners hate it was spewed on.

1732
01:46:52,620 --> 01:46:53,040
Who was

1733
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:55,140
Adam Curry: was posting this?

1734
01:46:55,890 --> 01:47:00,300
Dave Jones: No, no, he posted he
had a big long anti 2.0 post.

1735
01:47:00,330 --> 01:47:03,300
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes,
I did see that. Yes. What about

1736
01:47:03,300 --> 01:47:03,450
it?

1737
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:07,620
Dave Jones: All of all of which
was so one. So ill informed as

1738
01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:13,710
to be hilarious. But this had an
effect on me. I thought to

1739
01:47:13,710 --> 01:47:22,260
myself self that self. You need
to be more more open about these

1740
01:47:22,260 --> 01:47:26,970
other technologies? Don't Don't
be so negative all the time. Oh,

1741
01:47:26,970 --> 01:47:27,540
absolutely. I

1742
01:47:27,540 --> 01:47:29,250
Adam Curry: totally agree. And
I'm glad because I was the one

1743
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:31,980
that told you, man, you should
try noster she what's going on

1744
01:47:31,980 --> 01:47:32,280
there?

1745
01:47:33,089 --> 01:47:34,949
Dave Jones: Am I going to go out
and build something on noster?

1746
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:42,929
No. But I'm going to limit my
mockery of noster. Well,

1747
01:47:43,019 --> 01:47:44,969
Adam Curry: I think this is a
there's something very different

1748
01:47:44,969 --> 01:47:48,029
went on there. And I'll just say
it sounds because he was very

1749
01:47:48,029 --> 01:47:56,189
inflammatory when he posted
podcast wars like wow. Like,

1750
01:47:56,189 --> 01:48:00,569
what is he talking about? And I
really didn't understand at all.

1751
01:48:01,139 --> 01:48:04,139
What is like there's two groups
that will soon be in a tech

1752
01:48:04,139 --> 01:48:08,189
tabloid coming to you soon, like
what is going on with this?

1753
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:12,210
Dave Jones: I read it and had no
clue what he was talking about.

1754
01:48:12,210 --> 01:48:14,670
He sounded deranged. Now, and

1755
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,110
Adam Curry: I think I think I
know what happened. I'm just

1756
01:48:19,110 --> 01:48:23,400
taking a stab here. I could be
wrong. I have a feeling that

1757
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:27,810
someone approached him about the
podcast Standards Project, which

1758
01:48:27,810 --> 01:48:32,940
was going to be different from
podcasting. 2.0 which is not in

1759
01:48:32,940 --> 01:48:36,120
his basically taking tags that
we develop and use it and

1760
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:39,780
somehow keep and of course, oh,
Courage involved with one of

1761
01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:42,900
those two, which one is it?
That's the shitty one. Because,

1762
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:46,050
because that's what most people
do. It's like, oh, it's Korean.

1763
01:48:46,050 --> 01:48:49,470
But that's gotta be shit. Can't
be that. He's probably trying to

1764
01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:54,660
steal podcast and he wants to be
a billionaire. Ah. So but I

1765
01:48:54,660 --> 01:48:58,440
think James explained it very
well to him. And then I saw Dave

1766
01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:01,290
saying, Oh, okay. Well, I don't
see I don't see a corrective

1767
01:49:01,290 --> 01:49:06,660
post, saying sorry, but okay,
whatever. So I think that's what

1768
01:49:06,660 --> 01:49:10,110
happened and that. And it's
unfortunate, because these

1769
01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:13,620
things always happen around
podcasting is always all kinds

1770
01:49:13,620 --> 01:49:16,680
of intrigue and crap going on.
And I thought we've kind of

1771
01:49:16,710 --> 01:49:17,970
gotten beyond that.

1772
01:49:20,220 --> 01:49:21,930
Dave Jones: Will they always
happen around podcasting, but

1773
01:49:21,930 --> 01:49:24,360
they also always happen around
Dave Warner. So this

1774
01:49:25,500 --> 01:49:27,930
Adam Curry: is that? Yeah,
there's that anyway.

1775
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:32,490
Dave Jones: So let's see Karen
from the new modal podcast. 2222

1776
01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:35,400
through fountain he says, as you
were playing the demo, I was

1777
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,920
waiting for it to switch from
the robo lady to get to the real

1778
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:43,740
ai dj but about halfway through
I realized she was it Eesh Yeah,

1779
01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:46,620
he got he's, he's been paused.
Speeding. Yeah. And his his

1780
01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:49,200
brain is unable to tell the
difference between reality and

1781
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:49,560
fiction.

1782
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:51,090
Adam Curry: This is exactly what
happens.

1783
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,350
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm sorry. I
feel sorry for you, Karen. I

1784
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:58,650
loved you when you were when you
were with us still. Now your

1785
01:49:58,650 --> 01:50:04,470
brain is gone. Nicklaus be
58 2100 SATs he says the

1786
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:07,410
fountain he says I'm testing.
Well Nicholas your test was

1787
01:50:07,410 --> 01:50:12,450
success successful. Well done.
Carl 6007 gave us 2222 SATs

1788
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:17,670
through fountain no note.
Clarkin, my buddy gave us 25,001

1789
01:50:17,670 --> 01:50:20,880
SATs says weekly boost can't
make a long note because

1790
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,930
fountain keeps crashing every
two minutes. Hopefully it'll be

1791
01:50:24,930 --> 01:50:31,320
fixed by next week. Gene bean
1337 says duck asthmatics is pot

1792
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,140
search.fm is available and would
be fitting for the transcript

1793
01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:38,790
search tool. That's true awesome
buddy. Grab it pod search.fm is

1794
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:41,850
pretty good name is probably
cost $3,000 But you need to get

1795
01:50:42,690 --> 01:50:47,790
Nick dose 369 SAS boosters
versus zappers fight. No no, no,

1796
01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:51,030
no, we're not going to fight
those guys. We have too much

1797
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:55,710
firepower, they wouldn't stand a
chance. Jean been the grow of

1798
01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:58,590
ducks 22 to 22 through cast
medics has just wanted to give

1799
01:50:58,620 --> 01:51:01,650
Oscar and the folks at Felton a
shout out for their podcast

1800
01:51:01,650 --> 01:51:04,680
promotion system. It was super
easy to promote volunteer

1801
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,980
technologist and provided nice
metrics about what I was getting

1802
01:51:07,980 --> 01:51:10,710
for my money. It's also been
fascinating to look at the

1803
01:51:10,710 --> 01:51:13,410
statistics in Buzzsprout and op
three related to where people

1804
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:16,650
are because the non US audience
is much larger percentage than I

1805
01:51:16,650 --> 01:51:17,340
had anticipated.

1806
01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:18,180
Adam Curry: Oh interesting.

1807
01:51:18,809 --> 01:51:22,469
Dave Jones: And is interesting.
Oh, Bill Prague. He of the

1808
01:51:22,499 --> 01:51:27,749
expensive beers says gets in as
9712 He says boost for being

1809
01:51:27,749 --> 01:51:30,179
human and not an AI podcast.
There you go.

1810
01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,970
Adam Curry: Yes. We're not
weird. We're not GPT that's a

1811
01:51:32,970 --> 01:51:33,600
low bar.

1812
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:36,810
Dave Jones: And you just
encountered Maxis within maxis.

1813
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:39,420
That is how we normal people
feel every time we say bitcoin

1814
01:51:39,420 --> 01:51:44,490
is not best for everything.
Okay, Bill Prague again. 10,000

1815
01:51:44,490 --> 01:51:47,910
SATs to convert some more hive
into SAS to boost again, Maxis

1816
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:49,680
encountered deserves it. Okay.

1817
01:51:49,710 --> 01:51:51,150
Adam Curry: Wow. Okay.

1818
01:51:51,630 --> 01:51:52,740
Dave Jones: I don't know what we
said.

1819
01:51:52,980 --> 01:51:55,620
Adam Curry: But it was good.
Yeah, it was awesome. It doesn't

1820
01:51:55,620 --> 01:51:58,170
matter if we make someone mad or
happy as long as you're

1821
01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:59,280
boosting. It's all good.

1822
01:52:00,210 --> 01:52:04,920
Dave Jones: Alberto 999 says do
fountain and he says it's here.

1823
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:11,760
Adam Curry: Good to hear. It's
finally here. Is that Alberta?

1824
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,460
rss.com. Maybe about
transcripts? Maybe that was the

1825
01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:20,070
big issue here. Yes, it's a
mysterious teaser boost.

1826
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,300
Dave Jones: A bit that's what it
was. Big announcement from them

1827
01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:26,220
by the way that was that was I
think

1828
01:52:26,220 --> 01:52:29,040
Adam Curry: that's the fan
reaching tastic the fact that

1829
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:31,740
they have multiple languages out
of the box is great too.

1830
01:52:32,429 --> 01:52:36,329
Dave Jones: And I love I love
that they're doing it like sort

1831
01:52:36,329 --> 01:52:38,999
of in house and not a third
party I think I think that tells

1832
01:52:38,999 --> 01:52:42,689
me that probably transcripts is
cheap enough now to where the

1833
01:52:42,689 --> 01:52:46,709
industry can do this. Yeah, it's
it's gotten it's gotten

1834
01:52:46,979 --> 01:52:48,899
affordable. So that's a good
thing to see.

1835
01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:51,690
Adam Curry: And those guys are
just killing it no matter what I

1836
01:52:51,690 --> 01:52:53,040
really appreciate what they're
doing.

1837
01:52:53,549 --> 01:52:57,689
Dave Jones: Yeah, me too.
Clarkin again with 1000 SATs he

1838
01:52:57,689 --> 01:53:00,479
says Update Oscar helped me fit
the fountain issue like a balls

1839
01:53:00,509 --> 01:53:04,799
back up and running Thank you
Oscar. play by play on tech

1840
01:53:04,799 --> 01:53:09,509
support here from film 12,000
SATs from ION robot through a

1841
01:53:09,509 --> 01:53:11,849
through foundation is dropping
off some climate change for the

1842
01:53:11,849 --> 01:53:14,279
index so Dave can keep the
lights on five by five in the

1843
01:53:14,279 --> 01:53:15,329
pipe go podcasting.

1844
01:53:17,310 --> 01:53:21,600
Adam Curry: Go podcast. Mr. I
think it's Mr. Robot. I think

1845
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:22,860
he's hilarious.

1846
01:53:23,429 --> 01:53:26,999
Dave Jones: SLC 12498 through
found he says the sages

1847
01:53:26,999 --> 01:53:29,609
dictation speed is less like a
tortoise and more like a New

1848
01:53:29,609 --> 01:53:34,259
Yorker. 1.25x The fact that he
can get God sets him apart from

1849
01:53:34,259 --> 01:53:39,899
the AI boosting the NI natural.
Nice, nice, nice guest VLAN

1850
01:53:40,079 --> 01:53:42,389
3690. Is thank you for your
work.

1851
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:45,120
Adam Curry: You're welcome.
You're very welcome. We're happy

1852
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,260
to do that for you.

1853
01:53:46,769 --> 01:53:50,999
Dave Jones: Just listening 1776
Boost says I need info on how to

1854
01:53:50,999 --> 01:53:53,789
create ISOs the little audio
clips I can't find anything

1855
01:53:53,789 --> 01:53:59,729
anywhere. I don't know. Just I
use DLC YouTube DLC to download

1856
01:53:59,729 --> 01:54:01,109
stuff off YouTube and clip it
that way.

1857
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,590
Adam Curry: Yeah, I just I
record actually I process

1858
01:54:07,590 --> 01:54:11,280
everything I record. So I'll
I'll I'll put it straight from

1859
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,990
the from the output of the
computer into Hindenburg. Which

1860
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:19,050
by the way, I was wrong about
Hindenburg that that 10 hours of

1861
01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:22,140
transcript time that's only 10
hours at a time it's not like

1862
01:54:22,140 --> 01:54:24,480
they're charging you or like the
like it's a bank where you have

1863
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:28,920
to redeposit time yeah, it still
takes it takes a long time on

1864
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,900
this computer though. This
computers he started

1865
01:54:30,900 --> 01:54:32,370
Dave Jones: doing it local.
You're not doing it through

1866
01:54:32,370 --> 01:54:33,000
otter anymore.

1867
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:38,310
Adam Curry: I here's the thing.
I did want I did the podcast in

1868
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:42,780
2.0. And there's no way to
output it. There's no export of

1869
01:54:42,780 --> 01:54:47,520
the of the transcript. It's a
transcript so that you can edit

1870
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,280
based on the transcript and
which works really well. It's

1871
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,310
kind of like D script. I guess
it's impressive how that works.

1872
01:54:53,310 --> 01:54:57,810
But there's no way to export an
SRT or TTV or LMNOP or any of

1873
01:54:57,810 --> 01:55:01,350
that stuff. I couldn't even pass
Like all copy it, I'm like,

1874
01:55:01,350 --> 01:55:07,080
okay, all right, well, that's
weird. That just beta is beta,

1875
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,540
beta two beta, two beta.

1876
01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,590
Dave Jones: Karen from Emerald
is back again. tu tu tu tu tu

1877
01:55:13,590 --> 01:55:16,980
fountain. He says, Hey, Adam.
Yes. The recent guest of mine

1878
01:55:16,980 --> 01:55:19,830
was talking about how other
graphic designers would get mad

1879
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:22,440
at him for doing a V for v time
model. When he was first

1880
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:24,780
starting to design as
freelancer. If you ever had

1881
01:55:24,780 --> 01:55:27,720
other podcasters mad at you for
ruining it ruining it for the

1882
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,630
rest of us, ie putting your
product out for free.

1883
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,080
Adam Curry: No, I think most
people think we're stupid and

1884
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,040
doesn't work and it's crazy. And
why would you do that? And when

1885
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,310
did you Why'd Why do you want
chips? Now I've heard anything

1886
01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:44,940
ship anyone who's actually done
the work and looked at what

1887
01:55:44,940 --> 01:55:48,840
we're doing. So no, no one's
ever gotten mad. that I know

1888
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:49,080
have

1889
01:55:50,490 --> 01:55:54,090
Dave Jones: we got a 6666 from
the socialists that says satanic

1890
01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:58,740
socialist down under Oh, great
love. Love the show. But please

1891
01:55:58,740 --> 01:56:01,560
lay off Beelzebub Satan gets
blamed for a lot of bad stuff.

1892
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,020
But even he would not stoop so
low as to use dynamic ad

1893
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:04,500
insertion.

1894
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,460
Adam Curry: Is that is that the
actual Satan guy who does the

1895
01:56:08,460 --> 01:56:08,760
party?

1896
01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:19,620
Unknown: Hey, this is Beelzebub
telling you to boost more.

1897
01:56:21,390 --> 01:56:24,210
Dave Jones: Don't Satan would
you ever use dynamic ad

1898
01:56:24,210 --> 01:56:28,920
insertion? Never. There you go.
That's definitive,

1899
01:56:29,010 --> 01:56:30,300
Unknown: except on Sundays.

1900
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:34,170
Dave Jones: That's definitive.
There you

1901
01:56:34,170 --> 01:56:36,960
Adam Curry: go. Don't use it.
Don't do it. People save

1902
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:37,500
yourself.

1903
01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:41,970
Dave Jones: Borlaug. 20,021 sets
note. Thank

1904
01:56:41,970 --> 01:56:43,620
Adam Curry: you though Borlaug,
thank you appreciate it.

1905
01:56:43,650 --> 01:56:47,010
Dave Jones: But then Borlaug
comes back with 20,023 sets and

1906
01:56:47,010 --> 01:56:51,360
there is a note okay. He says
these two boasts boosts are twin

1907
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,030
primes, just like the two of
you. Thanks for what you have

1908
01:56:54,030 --> 01:56:55,590
done with this project and will
thank you,

1909
01:56:56,490 --> 01:56:57,390
Adam Curry: Grace. Yes, I

1910
01:56:57,390 --> 01:57:00,870
Dave Jones: appreciate it. But
who is this is this lavish?

1911
01:57:01,470 --> 01:57:05,280
lavish boot? Did you get this
100,000 boost from lavish?

1912
01:57:05,309 --> 01:57:08,219
Adam Curry: I don't recall
anything from lavish Let me see.

1913
01:57:09,059 --> 01:57:11,189
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, you did
the gutter punk innovators? Yes.

1914
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:12,209
Yeah, we got. We did.

1915
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:16,320
Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well,
now we got to a couple more

1916
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:22,110
booths just came in. See dubs
one a one a 110 1101. Thank you

1917
01:57:22,110 --> 01:57:29,670
very much. And striper boost
77,000 77,777 from Steve Webb,

1918
01:57:29,670 --> 01:57:32,970
the OG God caster. He says Hey,
guys, just checking in from

1919
01:57:32,970 --> 01:57:36,870
Lifespring media central go
podcasting. Oh, good podcast.

1920
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:42,300
Steve Webb I saw him in the top
10 on fountain with his

1921
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:48,960
lifestyle I think it was It is
his? Which one was it? He's

1922
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,270
doing like the Bible one through
the Bible.

1923
01:57:51,299 --> 01:57:53,879
Dave Jones: The one that goes on
with it. Yeah, for every

1924
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,460
Adam Curry: single day. Yeah,
it's nice. And speaking of

1925
01:57:56,460 --> 01:58:01,950
striper boost turns out I
interviewed striper on MTV and

1926
01:58:01,950 --> 01:58:04,500
there's like a there's like a
video of Did you see that?

1927
01:58:05,820 --> 01:58:07,980
Dave Jones: The guy with a
broken foot? Yeah, I'm

1928
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:10,230
Adam Curry: like holy crap. I
can't believe that if only they

1929
01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:14,520
knew that they had become a
boost number. It will be so they

1930
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,740
will be pleased I'm sure. And
like

1931
01:58:16,740 --> 01:58:18,780
Dave Jones: this, like this,
Steve came in with a striper

1932
01:58:18,780 --> 01:58:21,510
boost to offset that Satan
boost. Yeah, that's thanks. Yes.

1933
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:25,170
Adam Curry: There you go. That's
exactly how it works. Yes.

1934
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,990
Beautiful. Thank you very much.
We needed that Steve. Thanks.

1935
01:58:28,770 --> 01:58:30,960
Dave Jones: There's about
balances restored. Perfect

1936
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,150
Adam Curry: timing. Yes, the
world is good again. Who?

1937
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:34,950
Dave Jones: Really Schonfeld?

1938
01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:37,920
Adam Curry: Was you Oh, what did
you say now?

1939
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:45,750
Dave Jones: 4321. He says
listening in Fiat speed I like

1940
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:49,110
it. I'll take it. Thank you Roy
comic strip blogger the

1941
01:58:49,110 --> 01:58:52,740
delimiters 30 3015 through
fountain he says delicious

1942
01:58:52,770 --> 01:58:56,790
delicious Dave and appetizing
Adam no goodness. once a

1943
01:58:56,790 --> 01:59:00,300
fortnight start your day right
with a nutritious helping of the

1944
01:59:00,300 --> 01:59:05,310
AI cooking podcast, a 2.0
compliant V for V certified show

1945
01:59:05,550 --> 01:59:09,780
where the deliciously nimble
Tang goof aka Gregory Forman,

1946
01:59:10,050 --> 01:59:14,310
The Once and Future King of
kinit, aka the COC delivers.

1947
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Adam Curry: It means something
different in Britain

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01:59:18,690 --> 01:59:22,080
Dave Jones: delivers tasty
morsel after morsel of news

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items about artificial
intelligence, because complexity

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01:59:25,170 --> 01:59:28,560
and brevity are a handsome
bedfellows. Yo CSB.

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01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:31,230
Adam Curry: Thank you CSB for
always supporting every single

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01:59:31,230 --> 01:59:36,540
show I've ever heard in my life
and I hope it's working out this

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01:59:36,540 --> 01:59:41,310
is probably the longest running
promotion that that has been

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01:59:41,310 --> 01:59:45,390
going on for for podcasts is
what he is doing for AI cooking.

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01:59:45,870 --> 01:59:48,120
Dave Jones: We need to start
marketing this you know, like

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01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,650
Todd does for GoDaddy, the
longest running continuous

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01:59:52,650 --> 01:59:56,100
podcast sponsored DSP the
longest running continuous

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01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:56,700
booster

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01:59:56,730 --> 01:59:59,220
Adam Curry: Yep, he's just
right. And he podcast and

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01:59:59,220 --> 02:00:02,670
consistently And he'll boost
again if he if he misses a split

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02:00:02,670 --> 02:00:04,560
he'll complain make it fixed.

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02:00:06,359 --> 02:00:07,889
Dave Jones: He'll bet you button
duty day

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02:00:07,949 --> 02:00:09,869
Adam Curry: I never have to
worry if my umbrella is down

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02:00:09,869 --> 02:00:13,169
because it's coming to your blog
it will let me know. I don't

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02:00:13,169 --> 02:00:15,959
need to run any service that
checks I just see SP he'll take

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02:00:15,959 --> 02:00:19,259
care of it's like pager duty.
Whatever he has paid. Remember

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02:00:19,259 --> 02:00:23,909
that pager duty I had paid duty.
Goodness. Oh man. Oh man. Oh,

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man.

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02:00:24,599 --> 02:00:27,659
Dave Jones: Oh, we got some
gotcha monthlies. Monthly. Yes.

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02:00:28,709 --> 02:00:31,679
Sorry for the long donation.
Second level. We had that mix up

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02:00:31,679 --> 02:00:37,049
last week, so you gotta get a
deal. Wallasey Cameron Rose $25.

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02:00:37,049 --> 02:00:44,099
Joseph maraca $5. Will you mang
$5 Jeremy new $5 pod verse, LLC

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02:00:44,099 --> 02:00:50,789
$50. Thank you, Michelle. Lauren
ball $24.20. Basil, Philip $25.

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02:00:51,209 --> 02:00:56,729
Mitch Downey, of pod verse $10.
And Christopher Paul robotic $10

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02:00:56,850 --> 02:00:58,920
Adam Curry: Thank you. Oh, yeah,
thank you all so much for

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02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,730
supporting podcasting 2.0 as the
only way that it can be

1977
02:01:02,730 --> 02:01:06,480
supported the only way that it
will continue as existence that

1978
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:08,340
is through supporting the
podcast and of course,

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02:01:08,340 --> 02:01:11,850
supporting everything that we do
at podcast index.org podcast

1980
02:01:11,850 --> 02:01:15,810
index dot social. Edie had, do
you ever have a chance to make a

1981
02:01:15,810 --> 02:01:20,280
calculation about what it would
cost to upgrade the gear to do

1982
02:01:20,490 --> 02:01:24,180
full indexing of episode notes,
etc?

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02:01:25,980 --> 02:01:30,270
Dave Jones: Oh, no, no, I mean,
we're gonna have to update we're

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02:01:30,270 --> 02:01:32,190
gonna have to upgrade the
database instance.

1985
02:01:32,879 --> 02:01:34,679
Adam Curry: Again, we didn't
just do that about a couple

1986
02:01:34,679 --> 02:01:35,249
months ago.

1987
02:01:35,549 --> 02:01:39,089
Dave Jones: No, I was able to
put it off. Okay, okay. Yeah, I

1988
02:01:39,089 --> 02:01:42,389
stretched it stretched our
budget. So I was able to make

1989
02:01:42,389 --> 02:01:45,779
that happen. But but I've not
done that. Honestly, I just

1990
02:01:45,779 --> 02:01:49,319
don't even know. I mean,
indexing 110 million episodes, a

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02:01:49,319 --> 02:01:53,489
full 4000 characters of each
district

1992
02:01:53,759 --> 02:01:56,699
Adam Curry: would only be 4000.
We can't index PDFs and other

1993
02:01:56,699 --> 02:02:01,499
stuff people throw in there. Oh,
that's yeah, I like that.

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02:02:01,499 --> 02:02:02,039
Shocking.

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02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:03,270
Dave Jones: I know. It's got
your kids

1996
02:02:03,270 --> 02:02:06,570
Adam Curry: a real shocker. Oh,
no, we call that a bombs. Yes.

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02:02:06,570 --> 02:02:07,470
Oh, my God this

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02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:11,190
Dave Jones: week? Yeah, no, it?
I don't know that. I don't know

1999
02:02:11,190 --> 02:02:13,440
how much it would be. I don't
think isn't I don't know that is

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02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,100
necessary.

2001
02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:17,580
Adam Curry: No, I'm just we get
requests. And so all I do is

2002
02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:20,880
just say, Hey, is it possible?
Can we do it? No. Okay, fine. I

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02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:21,330
hope people

2004
02:02:21,330 --> 02:02:23,100
Dave Jones: are using the new
people search because I think

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02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:27,480
it's read I spent some time on a
couple of weeks ago. And it's

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02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:30,180
pretty good. Now. It's pretty
darn good. Good

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02:02:30,180 --> 02:02:33,690
Adam Curry: Pocket Cast. They're
working on their search. Are

2008
02:02:33,690 --> 02:02:36,120
they going to because they were
also going to integrate people?

2009
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,030
Right. Did they did so well.
They ended up

2010
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:42,480
Dave Jones: looking at the
person. Well, I don't know. I

2011
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,220
don't know why. I guess they're
doing their own search since

2012
02:02:44,220 --> 02:02:45,300
they spend so much time on it.

2013
02:02:46,260 --> 02:02:48,450
Adam Curry: But yeah, I mean,
they could just use an API but

2014
02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:52,890
okay, go go go rebuild the wagon
there. Let me show you so if I

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02:02:52,890 --> 02:02:55,710
do Adam curry it'll just pop it
up. Let me see.

2016
02:02:55,740 --> 02:03:01,080
Dave Jones: Oh, no, he's are
using ours. Yeah.

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02:03:01,860 --> 02:03:04,860
Adam Curry: Wow, that works
really fast.

2018
02:03:05,970 --> 02:03:08,280
Dave Jones: Every everything I
do is fast brother. Yeah.

2019
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:10,860
Adam Curry: Adam curry payload.

2020
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:14,100
Dave Jones: What is this? Let's
say we payload

2021
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:20,100
Adam Curry: Adam curry payload.
Adam Curry's RSS enclosure test

2022
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:23,580
channel. Where's this from? Let
me see.

2023
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:26,190
Dave Jones: What what see does
it say that? Oh, this

2024
02:03:26,190 --> 02:03:28,440
Adam Curry: is from a radio
weblogs feed this can't be

2025
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:31,740
active anymore candidate. Let's
see if it plays anything. Does

2026
02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:37,980
it play anything? No. Operation
Iraqi convertible journalism

2027
02:03:37,980 --> 02:03:42,450
Mars. Are they crooked? What is
this stuff? This is great. None

2028
02:03:42,450 --> 02:03:46,560
of it works. But it's great. Oh,
I'll tag this to be nuked.

2029
02:03:47,220 --> 02:03:48,570
Where'd that even come from?

2030
02:03:48,780 --> 02:03:50,430
Dave Jones: I would love what's
the feed number what's the feed

2031
02:03:50,430 --> 02:03:50,790
ID

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02:03:51,780 --> 02:03:56,100
Adam Curry: for 605475 So that's
not that's pretty new.

2033
02:03:57,180 --> 02:04:01,770
Dave Jones: Force of some Chris
rising dug up out of the

2034
02:04:01,830 --> 02:04:05,700
Adam Curry: ether. Clearly,
clearly Gary Leland I'm

2035
02:04:05,700 --> 02:04:08,130
Dave Jones: curious RSS includes
your test feed

2036
02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:12,030
Adam Curry: Adam curry free
culture. Adam curry daily Audio

2037
02:04:12,030 --> 02:04:12,780
Bible.

2038
02:04:13,290 --> 02:04:16,710
Dave Jones: Adam Adam listen to
this. If you click through to

2039
02:04:16,710 --> 02:04:19,680
the RSS feed, yeah, this this
goes to

2040
02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:27,360
cyber.harvard.edu/rss/examples/rss
enclosures example dot XML Holy

2041
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:32,580
moly. Wow, this is oh this this
was last build date Sunday. 27th

2042
02:04:32,580 --> 02:04:33,990
of June 2004.

2043
02:04:34,019 --> 02:04:35,519
Adam Curry: Yeah. What's it to
you bro?

2044
02:04:38,160 --> 02:04:40,980
Dave Jones: Generator, radio
user land V.

2045
02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:44,760
Adam Curry: I told you I told
you that. Well, that's

2046
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:47,070
interesting. So they republished
some feeds over there.

2047
02:04:47,970 --> 02:04:50,040
Dave Jones: Well, I think it's
probably always been there

2048
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:52,620
forever. I bet you this is just
something nobody even knows is

2049
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:56,460
there anymore. Like so many
aspects of my life. I'm not

2050
02:04:56,460 --> 02:04:58,590
killing this feat. Other
indexes. This is history

2051
02:04:58,590 --> 02:04:58,950
brother.

2052
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,370
Adam Curry: All right. Everybody
that'll conclude our broadcast

2053
02:05:02,370 --> 02:05:06,840
day to buck 10 Wow, we're really
stretching it out these days. We

2054
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:09,450
need to get some guests on so we
hurried up whenever we have goes

2055
02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:10,200
much shorter.

2056
02:05:10,620 --> 02:05:16,470
Dave Jones: We've got we've got
Tom Rossi from Buzzsprout next

2057
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:19,050
week oh cool about Yeah, I'm

2058
02:05:19,050 --> 02:05:20,430
Adam Curry: gonna have
corruption so I'm going to ask

2059
02:05:20,430 --> 02:05:25,110
him about this. This podcast
standard project. Yeah, yep. And

2060
02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:27,840
we will clearly behind it
clearly he's

2061
02:05:30,630 --> 02:05:32,070
Dave Jones: probably gonna ask
him about his about what?

2062
02:05:34,410 --> 02:05:36,720
Adam Curry: Alright, brother
Dave, thank you. I know this is

2063
02:05:36,750 --> 02:05:40,530
really crazy times for you with
with your with your work with

2064
02:05:40,530 --> 02:05:44,070
tax coming up. You know, does
that all end on the 16th and

2065
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:46,650
then all sudden, you just get to
let out a big sigh.

2066
02:05:47,130 --> 02:05:50,340
Dave Jones: Yes. I think it may
be the 17th this year,

2067
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:52,620
Adam Curry: though. That's
right. The 16th is the final

2068
02:05:52,620 --> 02:05:53,400
date. Yeah.

2069
02:05:53,940 --> 02:05:56,730
Dave Jones: Yep. I'm home with
it. Actually, my daughter's sick

2070
02:05:56,730 --> 02:05:57,330
today so

2071
02:05:57,599 --> 02:06:01,109
Adam Curry: Oh, she'd be okay.

2072
02:06:01,590 --> 02:06:03,630
Dave Jones: Yeah, she's fine.
She ran a fever just some some

2073
02:06:03,630 --> 02:06:05,220
low fever virus and just doesn't
want

2074
02:06:05,220 --> 02:06:07,260
Adam Curry: to go to school. I
got I know how you dip the

2075
02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:09,510
thermometer and some hot water
like oh, I don't feel good.

2076
02:06:10,650 --> 02:06:16,380
Yeah. All right, chat room.
Thank you very much. Thank you

2077
02:06:16,380 --> 02:06:18,630
to all the boosters who came in
and support us. We really

2078
02:06:18,630 --> 02:06:21,630
appreciate it. This has been the
podcasting 2.0 board meeting we

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02:06:21,630 --> 02:06:26,430
return next week. With another
invigorating board meeting join

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02:06:26,430 --> 02:06:28,590
us launch it for broadcasting
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