Adam Curry: Oh, casting 2.0 for March 10 2023, episode 125 We
got wolf nuts. Well, no SAP streamers, welcome to podcasting
2.0 Your weekly board meeting of everything happening in
podcasting. Of course 2.0 means we've upgraded that and fully
backwards compatible. And we're also fully immune from Silicon
Valley Bank contagion. That's right. I'm Adam curry here in
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Dave Jones: Jones. My my umbrellas fine. There's no bank
runs on it.
Adam Curry: My wallets good. Yeah, five by five. Oh, you did
it. I had the air horn standby, just in case. If you're gonna
mess it up there.
Dave Jones: In the pipe, everything's looking good. On my
side. We have full we have full liquidity for all deposits.
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Nothing to see here. Nothing has gone down. Nothing has stopped.
We continue to operate. You know why? Because we have no creepy
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Your grace in supporting podcasting. 2.0 the pod the
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Dave Jones: Yeah, we had a rather sudden we had a
conference call before the show, like we you know, like we do
often. And it was read. It was rather subdued in very, like,
low energy to him like it was so like, the energy was sapped out
of me.
Adam Curry: It was super. I mean, I think we can talk about
it was nothing secret about it was on one hand, it was kind of
kind of nice. I know I think about it. It was kind of weird,
because I had asked for this conference call about five
months ago. No, no, maybe? No, maybe December, something like
that. It was a follow up with with the Pocket Cast, folks.
Dave Jones: And just to check in and see what's Yeah, what's
going on? Yeah. And
Adam Curry: they had Matt Mullenweg on, which is nice. And
but you know, since they reached out after such a long time,
they're like, yeah, yeah, let's do to do a call. And then they
were all kind of waiting for us to say stuff. And we're waiting
for them to say stuff like, well, let me tell you what we're
doing that. But I mean, is it even known that they're working
on implementing the namespace? Is that was that public
knowledge? And I just missed that.
Dave Jones: I don't know. It was kind of surprising to me, too.
There was a lot of stuff that didn't seem to.
Adam Curry: We didn't. We didn't know about. Yeah, they know a
lot about stuff that we don't know about, which is Oh, that's
interesting. Also, the I think the young lady who's in I guess
she didn't charge her pocket cash. She the project director
sounded like it. Yeah, I think she is. She she's in Vegas. So
she was at, at the Vegas podcast show. So maybe she was talking.
We know, she was talking a lot of people there.
Dave Jones: It sounded like she met up with like, Sam and the
gas from Alby and contracts and all that, yeah, she,
Adam Curry: they're, they're kind of pumped about value for
value. I'm not sure how pumped they are about it, but they
definitely like it. But they're doing chapters about transcript
support chapter support. This is cool stuff. I love hearing this.
This is a big, big app to that to join all this stuff. So
that's fantastic.
Dave Jones: She said they're a part of that podcast standards
group that we don't know.
Adam Curry: We have no idea who's running it. But she's
like, we're really excited about joining the podcast standards
group. Oh, really? Okay, who
Dave Jones: else is taking a little off my feet? Because I'm
like, I don't need you. It sounds like you know more about
it than I do. Which, you know, honestly, is kind of exactly
where I want it to be.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I think that's perfect. If there's a group
that's being started, which I would presume is kind of a
follow on from, from a previous meeting where hosting companies
came together that they're, they're doing something so they
can all be on the same page that we love that I love. I love us
running with scissors and being crazy, which is exactly what we
told them. Okay, yeah, no, that's great. It's whatever the
hosting companies want to do is fantastic. We want to run with
scissors. We don't want any constraints. We want to be able
to poke our eye out
Dave Jones: that we want to we they get to look at all that
they get to look at all the stuff that we've done and decide
which parts are insane and which parts are actually usable for a
business.
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, I think they're almost all usable for
business. Yes. I don't know. Maybe it's just cartel forming.
I don't know. Maybe, maybe they're just cartels. We can
show them for Rico, Rick?
Dave Jones: Bizarre. Yeah, that's a tie. And towards the
Tsar.
Adam Curry: And we talked to him about cross app comments and
activity pub. And I guess they they they are doing stuff with
activity pub now. With the with the WordPress plugin
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think he said that. They acquired it.
Acquire Yeah. That plug in or something. Yeah. Which I know
some horror folks have used. Yes. Yes. Sounds like they're
they're moving and a lot of it was in once. It was nice to have
the the meeting because then it's like, we got to realize
what they all they were doing that we had no idea about. Yeah.
So I felt kind of like halfway through the meeting. I'm like,
well, well, yeah, y'all are doing all this stuff. We you
don't need us. Why are we here? That's the beautiful
Adam Curry: thing. No one really does need us. But I liked it.
Matt paid attention, enough attention to it that he that he
dialed into the meeting. That was cool. And he laughed at our
jokes. It's always nice. Always good. Let's make a few make you
feel special. I was actually talking about Silicon Valley
Bank beforehand, because if you haven't heard the new Silicon
Valley Bank, basically was closed down by regulators today.
Which if you if you know, I smelled something yesterday, I
think or the day before even. And so I don't typically watch
CNBC that much. Certainly not in the morning. Like yeah, I'm
gonna check and see what's going on. And this morning around 845.
It's like, yeah, you know, stuffs happening. And then,
like, at 12 o'clock, or 1111 30. It's been closed by regulators
that went very, very fast. Which means
Dave Jones: Okay, wait, wait, wait. You said it got closed?
The last I heard no,
Adam Curry: it's close. Like shut it down. It's defunct? It's
now a dead bank. Oh,
Dave Jones: because? Okay, so the last article I read last
read on it was last night, either this morning, or this
year, or last night, it said, and it said the CEO was like,
everybody stay calm.
Adam Curry: Things are safe. No worries where we heard that
before. And then they shut it down. Yeah, the regulator shut
it down this morning, which means it'll remain closed. It'll
I mean, it won't come back. It's a dead bank now. And the reason
why that happened, is over the is, you know, they they
overnight, they were like, hey, you know, we're trying to raise
$2 billion. Anyone interested? And everyone, right? No, we're
taking our money out. Because you have to understand Silicon
Valley Bank, I had an account there. When we took our, our,
let me see nothing, when when we raise money for pod show slash
bvo. The way it works is you raise money. And of course, you
give away a percentage of the company for equity, for the
money that you raise. And then they immediately introduce you
to Silicon Valley Bank. And that's where you're expected to
put the money you just raised, which really means it's going
from one account and Silicon Valley Bank to another account,
because all the big venture capital guys have accounts their
their general partners, their limited partners, many of them
personally, not the smart ones would never do that. But many of
them still have personal bank accounts there. And the whole
idea is that you raise your money, which is always
expensive, because you're giving away equity in the company. And
then you can do debt financing, based upon that raise that you
have with a favored nation status. So we raise money from
Sequoia Capital, from Kleiner Perkins from rom Shri ROM, I
mean, these are all top notch investors. And so then you can
immediately go and get, you know, 10 $10 million in debt
financing. Because of that relationship, many companies
also run their payroll through Silicon Valley Bank. So what has
happened now is now it this is the weird thing, it closed with
the closer with $200 billion in assets, and apparently only like
150 billion in liability. So the question now is, what is that
asset number based on? Is it FTX? Is it they have been
involved with a lot of shit coins, and I think now now it's
coming to roost. So this bank has basically failed, that has
not happened since Lehman Brothers in 2008. This is this
is a much bigger deal. And I think you're also going to see
all these little companies, they all have their money there, they
were desperately trying to get it out yesterday, some of them
got money out, but most of them didn't. So all they have left is
$250,000, which is insured by the FDIC for each account that
you have. So this could put companies out of business, we
everyone has payroll coming up in five days, that could screw
up payroll that people literally are not getting paid because the
money was supposed to be sent from Silicon Valley Bank, I mean
this it could be a very, very, very big problem. And of course,
now we're going to find out, you know, as we talked about
contagion, how many banks or instrument or derivatives were
We're connected to the business of Silicon Valley Bank was doing
and that they involve much bigger banks.
Dave Jones: This had to they had to be the bank for FTX. They had
to they were
Adam Curry: no they weren't. That's what wired it because the
first one that went down to silver gate, and these are
official banks, you know, banks that were dealing mainly in
crypto, most definitely, Silicon Valley Bank was kind of the
darling of all these bigger crypto plays. And so they
weren't, they weren't, you know, they were running the money
through that. And when FTX closed, I think their exposure
was over a billion dollars right off the bat. And then then they
have bonds, and then their bonds become less desirable. So they
were selling their bonds at a loss. And then there just became
a run on the bank. Peter Thiel last night called up all of his
companies that he's invested in said, take your money out
immediately. That's a bank run. So definitely, that was a bank
run.
Dave Jones: That was a by Nance move is what that was against
Silicon Valley Bank. Could he be the first guy to get out? wins?
Always. Always you get all your you get all your money. And
after that, you just don't even care that this this is gonna get
worse because we. So you know, I keep bringing up this book
Secrets of the temple.
Adam Curry: That yes, that you've been reading, which is
the chick repellent?
Dave Jones: Yes. It's basically Yeah, it's like, it's the Aquila
is the literary equivalent of garlic and across is what it is.
So they, but it's, but it's very, very good. And I love
books like this, because it was written. It was written in like
1991. So this historical perspective from this completely
unpolluted by any modern politics, or, or anything like
that there's nobody left, who has a hand who has a vested
interest in covering things up really, you know, that there
kind of is over. So yes, called Secrets of the temple by William
Greider. And the one of the things, the pictures, he paints
of the inflationary period. That is really a mirror of what we're
going through now that he talks about how they the Fed, they
kept raising rates, and they couldn't stop it. Right. They
they got all the way they took at some point, at one point they
took the they took the governor off. And they said, Okay, we're
not going to moderate interest rates, we're going to instead
what we're going to do is we're going to focus on bank reserves.
So essentially, they were trying to regulate the money supply
directly. So they said, Okay, we're not what we took when we
deregulated and maximum interest rate levels, because there used
to be a maximum interest rate, you could charge. And once that
level was hit, banks just stopped lending altogether. And
they said, Okay, we're going to take that off. And instead,
we're just gonna focus on regulating only bank reserves,
and let the interest rate respond, however it wants to in
a natural way. That's how you ended up with 20% interest
rates. So the banks, it wasn't that the Fed directly raised the
interest rates to 20% is that they got there when they took
the when they took the governor, right,
Adam Curry: the problem. And the difference now is the speed at
which they raise the rates, what is slipping, like eight rate
raises in this past in the past nine months or something, which
is incredibly fast. Everyone said, it has to stop at 5%. And
this is the Federal Reserve raising the interest rate, but
not not the banks. And they and they went over that they just
went over that. And that is going to hurt every single bank
no matter what, what I'm suspicious of these, and I'm
really not a banker. But the what happens when you raise like
that is the banks just aren't capitalized enough for the bonds
that they hold. And I from what I understand, they're, you know,
typically these banks have to have 10% reserve and they go
through these so called stress tests, but I think during COVID,
they didn't have to have any reserve, it could be zero, and
I'm not sure that they ever removed that, you know, endless
limitation.
Dave Jones: So there's a difference there though. So they
the small banks don't are not under those onerous reserve
requirements. But the big systemic banks there's a list of
them that are under the so called, like too big to fail
system. They're quote unquote, systemic right banks, and those
do have they do have requirements. Okay. Yeah. And
they're well capitalized by the Fed directly really, I mean,
through the through the monitor, you know, through the markets,
but there there are,
Adam Curry: yeah, but only policy only if the if If the
money markets if they if they're functioning, and they've been
pretty much in irons, you know, they've been trying to sell
treasuries has been very hard to sell treasuries.
Dave Jones: What happened in what happened in that effect?
Adam Curry: I, by the way, I hate it when you know so much
about this stuff, it's really annoying. So stop reading that
book.
Dave Jones: What happened, then, you know, interest rates kept
going up. And they could not make the banks stop lending,
because it got in if interest rates were still mortgages were
still being taken out at 17 1819 20%. Right? They were
labor, they felt powerless to make it stop. And what happened
was, it was a psychological human behavior issue. Because
the, the, everybody when when inflation really settles into,
to the public consciousness, you, you feel like you have to
go buy, because you got to get it before the rate goes up. And
you want real goods, you want you want hard assets, in order
to protect yourself from the and from the devaluation of your of
your cash. And there's nowhere else to put it. And so that that
was bad enough back then. But then now it's even worse, I
think, because you have
Adam Curry: credit card debt, auto loan debt, I mean, people
are dead people live by debt. Yep. And that's exactly right.
So the problem here is ultimately, you know, the
government bails these these accounts out FDIC, I, someone
sent me this, there was, it was the FDIC meeting, and I think it
was the January meeting. And I And now I'm going back trying to
find this clip from the original source because I never trust any
of these clips to just show up. And these guys literally in that
meeting are talking about a bail in, which means, which means
when the bank fails, they take your money that they're holding
to fix it. And the overall concept here is that what could
happen and this is out there is that if it's systemic, if some
of these banks start to fail, and the government really
doesn't have the money, they'd have to print more, which we
can't do at this moment at all, because, you know, we have not
agreed to raise the debt ceiling so the timing could not be more
perfect. That you could wake up in the morning and you've saved
let's say you have $1,000 in your account, you'd have $1,000
but it would be you know, fed the coin or something. That's
really that's really a possibility. That could really
happen.
Dave Jones: That's, that reminds me of Lebanon. Yes. Yeah, that
sounds Lebanese to me.
Adam Curry: Well, the difference is Lebanon, they just closed the
banks like It's like alright, your money or like turkey same
thing you know, the lira has devalued by 90%. But what they
could do here is they could say well, it's still it's still $1
It's just now it's a digital dollar. It's the fed coin, which
would function the same way I mean, I'm not sure about the
value on the international market but the problem is the
control over it you know, they would have complete control over
your money
Dave Jones: this what's the what's the Netherlands? What's
that can that word and then Dutch the conspiracy to the wolf
nuts or something like that wolf not what what's what
Adam Curry: show title wolf knots? I don't know what
Dave Jones: I said what was nuts I think what's the what's the
what are some Dutch term that means like some crazy conspiracy
theorists that somebody calls you, oh, VP, VP, VP is now is
now worth notes. Yes. Perfect.
Adam Curry: Wa PPIE VP,
Dave Jones: okay, yeah, that's that's the the fatty coin that's
the that's the VP VP coin.
Adam Curry: Well, I'm all in on that. You know. I would like to
see something happen I don't want people to go poor and I
don't think we will. But something's got to happen.
Dave Jones: What what what's impressive to me honestly, is
that in attend to think about this when these things happen,
we've had a series of these now these sort of big crypto market
failure Oh yeah,
Adam Curry: big one things
Dave Jones: and what what's kind of impressive to me is that yes,
Bitcoin takes a hit. But if you think about it, it's it's not
nearly as bad as you think it would be. Like that. I mean,
Bitcoin it just tends to have a dent and comes right back. Yeah,
sure. Like it's very resilient to whatever this is this going
on. Yeah, sometimes it feels and sometimes, especially I read
yesterday was the new Biden budget proposal which there's
some currently there's some crazy crap in there, but one of
them was like a 30% tax on my crypto and Bitcoin mine. ers.
Did you see that? No, I didn't. I haven't seen it read the whole
budget yet. I just saw the toppling of long term capital
gains tax. Yeah. To
Adam Curry: 40. To 40%. Sure. Sounds fair. Yeah. But no one
unknown who makes under $400,000 We'll get a get will have paid a
penny more in tax, which of course, is a lie, because the
hidden tax is inflation. Yeah, yeah. And it ends the inflation
I'd say is, is maybe even 20% Now, you know, 10% price
inflation, and 10% Shrink inflation, translation.
Dave Jones: Translation. Yeah, the cans are getting smaller.
They really
Adam Curry: are. It's noticeable. I mean, I got this I
got this Dr. Pepper here, seven and a half fluid ounces. It's
still like $18 for this one can I'm telling you it's crazy. What
to do with it. We're all gonna die.
Dave Jones: I need to buy a whole bunch. I just finished my
base milkshake. I need to buy a whole bunch more pouches of that
before it before the shrink relation mental contagion. That
happens.
Adam Curry: But the best, the best part? Wait, did you hear
about the Perth Mint in Australia? Oh, no. So they were
they were doping their gold. So they sold like 100,000 tons of
gold to the Shanghai exchange. And they were putting a little
bit extra silver in there. And so now they may have to know
Yeah, they may have to compensate by taking that back
to the tune of $8 billion.
Dave Jones: Are you kidding me? Yes, like pieces of aid type
thing all over again. Yeah,
Adam Curry: cut cutting off. You know, what were the what they
call it. souping back in the blog. Like way back in the day
you put your your gold and your silver coins into a bag and you
shake it, shake it, shake it, and then little filings would
come off of it and you collect that.
Dave Jones: Purse mint. That's one of the major mints in the
world. It's a
Adam Curry: huge scam. I think I have a clip of that actually.
Oh, sorry. I
Dave Jones: used to have some some.
Adam Curry: You I knew you. I knew you're a gold guy.
Dave Jones: I used to have three, one ounce kookaburras
Have you seen those? That's it? No,
Adam Curry: I only had the Cougar Cougar ends I got the
Cooper grands got the heads
Dave Jones: of Cougar hands. Yeah, you're listening to this
was an extraordinary story. Can you first of all tell me why did
they dope the gold as it's called? Yeah,
Unknown: good morning, they were looking 2018 The Perth Mint was
under quite a bit of financial pressure. And so they took a
decision to dilute or to dope their gold and that basically
means that they added tiny amounts of silver into the mix
that makes in their gold bars. And this was a really a It's not
illegal, but it's a really high risk strategy because it leaves
it's
Adam Curry: not illegal. I don't see how that was not illegal.
Dave Jones: How can it not be illegal?
Adam Curry: What else I'll fast forward to the end of this
report. 100 tons
Unknown: of gold to internal staff members had made some
estimates they made a estimate that up to 100 tonnes of gold
that they had sent to the Shanghai Gold Exchange was
potentially below the Shanghai exchange standards and may need
to be recalled now. That is $9,000,000,001.7 billion worth
of gold.
Adam Curry: Now of course that's australian dollar we do so I
guess it's what a buck 50 or something it's not it's not a
lot of money say
Dave Jones: 6000
Adam Curry: Oh, nice picture of your your Kookaburra Yes, a
Dave Jones: pretty coin and it's very bland coin. Yeah, like I
can't believe that they did that. What what does that
meeting look like by the way today? What's that board
meetings? Hey,
Adam Curry: we're screwed what can we do Jade All right, and
the board meeting? I don't know. And
Dave Jones: what if we put some stuff in the gold coins? That's
not gold? Oh, what did I do that did Jim has
Adam Curry: tungsten for instance. Somehow it made me
feel really powerful that what we're doing it's like you know,
not just the fact that we don't have that type of here's here's
what I was thinking about yesterday when it comes to the
adaptation of Bitcoin you have people actually sending off
their Bitcoin to other people in a transaction airy fashion you
know, it's called a value for value donation or whatever you
want to call it. And so this is not a huddling situation. People
are who receive it like you and I we receive from our podcast we
will I receive from no agenda. Where do you where do you get
your your Bitcoin from? You buy it?
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, yeah, but I have a look at dollar cost.
You have a bass on every month
Adam Curry: but you have no income No, no SATs incoming
because our stuff all goes to the index. You didn't show you
need another show you either show your show with your wife or
something so you get some of your own SAFS
Dave Jones: No, I get you have me in like a 1% split I think
for the for my hella pad.
Adam Curry: All right, right, right, right. Okay, so yeah. So
so whatever it is, we get SATs, we send them right back out and
then you know, some people use it and send it back to other
podcasters other people take it and buy beer for conference
goers Okay, fine, fine, whatever. I prefer to keep that
in the in the system. But what I what I realized is that across
the board, the numerology is showing adoption of of Bitcoin
because no one says, Thanks for your $5 Thanks for your 275
We're all talking about 100,000 SATs 25,000 SATs 5150 6969 7777
That isn't an adoption of a currency. We're not thinking of
it in Monat in in Fiat dollar level anymore. If we ever really
were at the beginning, I think people were like, well, that's
nothing. But now, no, no, we're not. I think people are getting
their own their own feel of oh, 100,000 That's a big baller, you
know that that's a that's a substantial number. Whereas that
number actually in dollars fluctuates. I think somehow, and
other people may be better explaining it to me. This proves
adoption. As a currency.
Dave Jones: Yeah, cuz it Yeah, I think you're right, because so I
was building the charts.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. I led you right to it, didn't I? You
did.
Dave Jones: You've led me there. And it was good. I'm glad it
was. It was a fun project. It was like a nice little side side
gig that I could do that was that was just fun, because I've
never done any chart stuff before.
Adam Curry: It turned out really good. And I bought a domain
domain name for you. Oh, you did not. I did V for v stats.com.
Oh, nice. Okay, and it's running as we speak. Okay. V four v
stats.com.
Dave Jones: I will move the bucket and I'll tell you where
to point it. So, the this the charts, initially when I built
it right now it's at stats dot podcast index.org/v Four v. And
Adam Curry: I have a question right off the bat. Okay, looking
at that, because I saw it yesterday. I'm looking at it
today. It appears that when it hits midnight, and updates the
chart, it starts with whatever has come in for that day. So it
this goes up to March 10, which is today and it shows number
almost near zero. That maybe you need to compile it at 1159 59
Dave Jones: I think I'm gonna have to make it where it where
it excludes today. So he starts from, like 24 hours ago and goes
yeah, yeah, I just noticed that a while ago as well,
Adam Curry: because it looks like oh shit. The Silicon Valley
Bank contagiousness. Like it's a very sad chart. I don't like it
like this. I don't like it when every single one is like Oh,
boo. But even though it was still so by midnight. Now it
doesn't it doesn't tell me how many
Dave Jones: this it does. If you if you if you hover over the
load dot you?
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. 180,081 Yet at midnight? Yeah, that's
section and that's actually I like that.
Dave Jones: So what's what's pretty nice. I mean, I don't
really know how to get an average I can probably, like
probably do an average where it would have sold just like this
little secondary line running back in the in the background.
But most of the time, even on down days, it's still around a
million sets. Oh yeah. But then you just have these, these
spikes up to three, 3 million sets on a regular basis per day.
Adam Curry: That's release days. It's so obvious you can see what
day you want to release on when that's exactly what that is. So
I'm sure that some of that's our show podcasting. 2.0 I'm sure we
spiked the stats I'm sure rabbit hole recap. You know, just look
at the fountain Top radio. Yeah, all that stuff spike, it becomes
really wild. The thing I requested which you are which
you already said it's in the table and that'll get done is
number of transactions. I think that's that's pretty important
number just to see how many people are actually interacting
and then man, I could give you a million other ideas, boost
versus streams etc. This is all this is combined. I take it
right. Yes.
Dave Jones: Yes, that's right. Yeah, boosting is training. So
here's here's another idea. So I posted this, the link to this on
noster because I'm forcing myself to live over there and
noster as well. Yeah. And immediately I got back a reply
that said, let me see if I can pull it up. Do I get back a
snarky reply
Adam Curry: go into what exactly did you post?
Dave Jones: So I just posted a link to
Adam Curry: STATS chart you got a snarky reply
Dave Jones: Yeah, so I posted the link to the stats chart and
and I got a reply that says so noster still being a baby
already outperforms a more settled V for fee put in the for
V podcasting quote, industry, unquote. What asshole was that?
I don't know somebody named Tony. Anyways,
Adam Curry: Tony, this dude named Tony. Okay. He says
Dave Jones: anyways, I'm sure nostril will help V for V
podcasting reach net Lex next levels in no time. Okay, well,
we'll hang around for that. Yeah, so NZ posted a link that
shows over to zap life and dot lol which I think is the
greatest domain name. And I've seen in a while zap Live dot
lol. And it says over the past seven days 15,604,898 SATs have
been zapped. Sure. So So he's saying that and then he shows a
comparison chart from the V for V stats, this shows
2000 10,625,000 SATs. So 5 million SATs more had been
zapped over the last week on noster than have been sent to
podcasters on fee for V and that's that's clearly an
indication that noster is better. Tony, Thanks, Tony.
Thanks that this is a this is clear. Like he doesn't even have
to really explain it. So my thought was okay, there needs to
be a better apples to apples comparison. Yes. I mean, I don't
Adam Curry: even care about the comparison. But yes, in case we
need it. Yes. A better a better better one. Okay.
Dave Jones: Yes. So, um, so this is not a, you know, who stuff is
bigger contest, because it's to me, it's complete apples and
oranges. But, and, and and I don't care. But, but that did
bring up a good idea. Which is, it would be nice to see a per
listener, a SATs per listener metric, where you say, Okay, how
many? Here's the this, this 10,625,629 sets over the last
seven days. How many listeners represent how many listeners
were sending SAS? What does that how many people were are
responsible for that much? Savage. Right? Savage. And so
then, if you like, if you were going to compare that to
something like noster or some other metric, you could say,
Okay, here's, here's your average podcast listener. And
here's how much they send to a creator. And then here's your
average. Not Nasir noster. An ostrich and how much they send
to in zaps and my gut instinct. Is that a lightning pot? Is that
a podcast? Listener? Sins way more than your average nostril
dude.
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm I'm so sure you're right. No doubt about it.
What did you send me how you send me more pictures? What is
Dave Jones: this? Yeah. So tone records sent send us some shows
some album art for this. For this. He
Adam Curry: wants us to change the album art. Oh,
Dave Jones: no. Further. We wait said last time that.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. You're right. You're right. I'm
sorry. Yeah, we did say that, didn't we? Yeah.
Dave Jones: We would take some per episode out more. So he sent
us some very pretty.
Adam Curry: Let me take a look at this. It didn't show up. And
oh, I have to.
Dave Jones: It's a collage.
Adam Curry: What is a JPEG?
Dave Jones: A PNG
Adam Curry: is weird. For some reason. It doesn't want to open
it nicely for me. Let's see. Use windows. Who the hell knows what
Windows doing? Now we go. Wow, it's taking How big is fives if
I have nothing? Big. This is weird. Sounds weird.
Dave Jones: Okay, well. Let's see. where's the where's the
original? I can get it for you. What happened to? I'll send you
the zip file that's got all of it in there.
Adam Curry: Yeah, because it's sorry, photos can't open this
file. It's a format that's unsupported or corrupted.
Dave Jones: Oh, well. I'll send it to you after the show. Okay.
Yeah. Good. It's very nice, though. It's very
Adam Curry: pretty. Well, anyway, I'm very proud of of
what I'm seeing here. I mean, so we're looking at a Mmm. dailies
have over a million saps well over a million in some cases. I
know the other metrics we have, we also have average average
payment size, which I think is also a nice one. I think that's
actually maybe even a very important one.
Dave Jones: You mean like, like, what is the average boost or
average stream?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean, it'd be nice to break it out.
Because boost versus streams, you know, that's a difference.
But I'll tell you, in most cases, I see. I see more. Oh,
that is that's a lot of artwork there. In most cases, I see a
larger amount of streaming sites versus the booster grams, the
streaming sites are not to be discounted, people are really
using that in a very silent way that's kind of crept up. It's
gotten pretty, pretty big.
Dave Jones: Let me tell you this, I forget about it. And I
forget, I get so used to boosting to show that how much I
love the show that that I forget about the streaming sets. And
then every now and then I'll look. I'll be listening to a
show for a while. And then my wallet will run out.
Adam Curry: And how did that happen? Why didn't lose that
much. I've had that happen to?
Dave Jones: And then I think oh, well, that's actually sent quite
a bit. So it makes me feel better. Because I'm like, Oh, I
don't have to remember. You know, I just I just know I'm
always by just just by listening, I am supporting
What's
Adam Curry: your default? 100. My default has been 200 for a
long time.
Dave Jones: 200 sets of man, what does that come to about?
Like for an app per hour?
Adam Curry: I don't know. I just, I just like to number.
Yeah, I really don't know. When I run out. I just look at what
do I have some shop somewhere else? I'm sure I can fill it
fill up a wallet from somewhere. No, it's it just feels good. It
feels like it's all kind of coming together. I really like
it. And did Sam announced his pod fans thing is that the
Dave Jones: big news and I was thinking something like that.
Maybe he was going to be some big news, but I didn't hear
anything about it.
Adam Curry: And I think he demoed it on stage with the with
Albie guys, but I'm not sure exactly. If he released it yet.
He may be waiting for podcast, podcast movement, London or
whatever. How many of these times are there?
Dave Jones: On show London now.
Adam Curry: From feedback, I can say that we are saving or
creating lives daily as I continue to push back on the
pods
Dave Jones: will remind me what pod was
Adam Curry: pod speeding use disorder. Yes, people who have
been speeding up their podcast listening are now slowing it
down and finding they're less anxious. Particularly that
there's you know, who was it that sent me this? I think it
was Chad F I think I don't want to think it was Chad F who said
that he has ADHD and then you know, when he thought that
speeding up podcast actually helped his ADHD. And then when
he slowed it down, he's like, Oh, wow. This is actually
better.
Dave Jones: Yeah, you think it's when you when you don't like put
gas on the fire? I think that would make you in the DSM five.
I think you're right or GP? Yeah.
Adam Curry: DSM five, it shouldn't be.
Dave Jones: I think apps should on occasion. Just rant, just
take randomly.
Adam Curry: Maybe, maybe, Dred Scott not chata from sorry, I
knew I was I knew I was breaking some HIPAA violation there it
was. Dred Scott. Yeah, dribs listening. I drive. That's
right. Sorry. I didn't mean to give you a disease to someone
else.
Dave Jones: He the podcast app should just randomly slow it
down. I basically do a lockout.
Adam Curry: I had an urge during that meeting with pocket cash to
say Hey, could you take off you're speeding up because
you're killing people. I really I really wanted to say something
like that. I had to bite my tongue. I had to bite my tongue.
Dave Jones: Your response? This is an epidemic. It is it a
crisis?
Adam Curry: I think it is a crisis. And really is is not as
not healthy.
Dave Jones: I want to just while we're tangentially attached to
the V for V stats here. I want to explain quickly because I had
a couple questions about it. Explained explain how the how
we're doing this calculation like what what the 1% stuff is
like how how can we know
Adam Curry: Oh, how do we how do we how are we able to make a
chart? Yeah, right. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So what this chart is showing is our best guess as
to how many sets are being paid in, in boosts in per streaming.
Pay prints on a day each day in the way, the way that we can,
the way that we can know that, and I say no in quotes, the way
that we can know that is that we have the shim in place for the
API. Because so many hosting companies do not support adding
a value blog to your feed. So you can go either onboard
through founds enter contracts, or Satoshi stream, or add it
yourself manually the podcast and wallet.com. And you can get
your value blog into the API. So then, because that's such a
needed thing, a lot of the apps will check the API if there's a
value block for a feed, right? If the value blocks in the feed,
and now this is important, if the value block is in the feed,
and the app sees it, they may not check us. So at that moment,
in a situation like that, there's no 1%. So it could be
that there are also before I go there, let me let me just go
back to explaining what this is. So so take take that for what it
is, let's let's just say that we generally have sort of a 1% view
of most of the transactions that are going on, right? The each
transaction boost or streaming payment has a to V record, which
is just which the content of this to V is a JSON blob, it has
much properties in it. One of the properties is the original
amount, in the reason that that's there. So like if I if I
boost 2112, to Satoshis, to pod news, then my app will also put
that number that 202,112, it'll put that number in the JSON of
the TLV record and property called set in SATs original
amount, I think is the name of the property. And so it will put
that in there and so that once fees are taken out on the way to
his destination, the receiving application like contracts
Satoshis, Dream hella pad, whatever. Saturn can know what
the original amount was, in order to preserve numerology.
Yeah, which was
Adam Curry: really important, which is why we get the three,
three threes to 6969 to 1776, all that stuff. And that is
magical. But that was put in early.
Dave Jones: So the the original amount is always listed in that
JSON blob. So that the data is preserved. And therefore we can
know, even though we're only getting 1%, which a lot of times
it's not even 1%. It's just, it ends up being like one sad Yeah,
that we that we get because calculations are hard. And so we
may only get one set, but we can see that what was originally
sent was 2112, or a million or whatever this this amount was.
So we just run out, I just have it export all the transactions
out and add up, do a run to do a sum on all of the original
amounts. And that will tell us out of all the transactions we
saw how what the total value of all of them put together was
right. But that doesn't mean that we see all of it because it
it is it is 100% voluntary Eva for people that use the API,
that we have no way to enforce them. We we never will and we
don't want to. But and then there's also some apps that read
the feed directly. And so they they're under no even sort of
ethical obligation to do that. They're just doing it
themselves. So there, that's what I mean, when I put in the
stats page that it could be it could be that at the end, the
value is higher, it could be that is much higher. And because
if there was one person using an app that tried that boosted
somebody, and let's just say that at that moment, our split
failed, or let's say that their app did not send a split or
Adam Curry: whatever. And we don't we don't we're not able to
track that.
Dave Jones: And what if it was 5 million sets? So we don't and we
have gotten the 5 million set boost before from Peter Yes, we
have. Those things do happen. So it's very possible that this
number is is is low, it's actually very likely that is
low. It could be very low, but we do know that it's at least To
this much, that's for sure. Because we're not getting
anytime we get a split. The devalue went, the transaction
took place. So we know that it's at least this much anyway. And
that may be painstaking to go through. But I think it's
important for
Adam Curry: now No, no, no, no, it only it only was fun if you
now explain how all the splits work and how you then put a
copy, put those all together and then divide them just to go with
let's go through that again. That was fun.
Dave Jones: Okay, let's talk about what fees are.
Adam Curry: I'm just kidding. Stop.
Dave Jones: I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Adam Curry: Oh, will we eventually go? Or have you been?
Evie, do you have any thoughts on going to a show level and
putting out a, like a, like a Top? Top receiving shows without
disclosing the number, I would say, but just to show what shows
had been boosted the most, or receiving the most payments?
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think we can do lots of stuff. I mean, I
think the most ince, I guess the most exciting ones, to me
initially are just like these raw aggregates, like, how many?
How many total sets per day? How many total transactions, SATs
per listener, maybe SATs per show, in different tiers this?
And then like maybe later on, we can look at the like you said,
just we got to make sure at every step that it's highly
anonymized. Yeah. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I like it. And I think this is very, very cool.
I'm digging it. I'm really I'm digging it.
Dave Jones: Yeah, Eric, I will put it I will put it open
source. It's just super simple. I mean, really, you could right
click the page and view source on it. And you're just seeing it
all. There's really nothing there. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So yeah. So it's an indication that's what we're
saying. Because we really, we really don't know what we're
missing. We don't know what what payments fail all kinds of
stuff. I mean, as always, it's it's running with scissors
estimate.
Dave Jones: Nathan, Nathan gathright, we just played fee
chick and to see who would back out first. It was funny. That
was speaking to Nathan, we got unless you got some you know,
now go ahead. Go ahead. We need to talk about the update
frequency. Okay, are you aware of the update frequency?
Adam Curry: I've seen the GitHub was it recommendation suggestion
issue, whatever it is. I'd love to hear more.
Dave Jones: So the the update frequency. I'm trying to pull
the font is post where he links to his new tool here. Oh, there
it is. Okay, so it's update dash frequency. Dot versal dot app,
which just flies off the tongue. Yeah. is updated frequently on
dash
Adam Curry: frequency.vs l
Dave Jones: ve r c e l dot app? What is
Adam Curry: this Marcel app thing? Why why are people using
that? What does this thing do? Hmm.
Dave Jones: I guess it's some sort of like things like, kind
of like, what was that? Was that old thing where you get Heroku?
I think it's like,
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I gotcha.
Dave Jones: I gotcha. Hosted node service.
Adam Curry: Okay, cool. Got it. Yeah. All right. So now I see.
Starting on 310 2023 repeating daily, and then what does it
give me here?
Dave Jones: Yeah, so this, the I'm just read from his from his
pull request, it says in spirit of taking platform specific
innovations and making them accessible to the open
ecosystem, horses, the intent of this proposal is to replicate
the purpose of the update frequency field, in Apple
podcasts connect, as well as replace the iTunes complete tag
for podcasts that have no intention to release further
episodes. So straight off straight away. I like it,
because you're combining you taking taking the tag
Adam Curry: tags. Right, right. Right, right. Okay. Oh, I see
what's going on here. So it basically given me the code for
this repeat or non repeating frequency update. And then I put
that into that tag, and then that tells apps when this
updates if it updates if it'll never update, etc.
Dave Jones: Yep. See, says under certain conditions or naive
algorithms, it can be inaccurate to know to predict future
releases. So he says, basically, there is there's a node, the pod
the tag is podcast colon update frequency, and there is a node
value. The note value is a freeform string, which might be
displayed alongside other information about the podcast.
Please do not exceed 128 characters. And then your
attributes are complete. Which is a Boolean that just says
yesterday if true, false, yes, no. DT start the date or time
that the recurrence rule begins. So if the row contains a value
for count, then this attribute is required if the rule contains
a value for until so this just basically describes your Your
release schedule. And I like it. I think it's fairly easy to
parse shouldn't be too hard.
Adam Curry: And this is mainly for who does this benefit this
tag?
Dave Jones: It benefits aggregators apps. Okay. Because
if you know, we'll have the, you know, complete is obvious.
Because it's like, okay, well, this Yeah, never, there's never
Adam Curry: been, I don't have to pull it out, although it
shows kind of a crutch alongside with POD ping.
Dave Jones: It could, it could be well, okay, so in relation to
pod paying an app like a tag like this, I think there's an
implicit recognition that everybody is still going to run
aggregators to a certain degree. And if we do we still aggregate
Sure. So you know, we have there could be out here, there could
be downtime, there could be, you know, just all kinds of reasons,
I think there's still going to be aggregation going on. So in
that world, you have, you have this tag, which is a more sort
of a more descriptive way of doing it, then what the apple
tag accomplishes.
Adam Curry: Well, it's good just to have that, because we want a
drop in replacement for the for the Apple iTunes namespace
anyway. Correct? Right. That's been your vision.
Dave Jones: Yeah, my vision is, we were and we're actually
pretty well on our way to replicating it. When I look at
at iTunes tags. If you look in the podcast namespace, there's
some tags in there, like episode and season, that are also iTunes
tags. And my thinking from day one has been, we should we
should replace or replicate the iTunes tags. So that eventually,
we can sort of do a direct drop in replacement of the podcast
namespace on top of iTunes. And then we have and then, and then
from the feed publisher standpoint, you don't lose
anything. You don't lose any functionality. You it's just
basically you just swap. It's like It's like Harrison Ford.
It's like Indiana Jones, you just want you know, you take the
you take the the treasure off and you put sandbag on, and
you're good. So then, if we drop that in, for going down the list
and saying for each tag, rather than just replicate what's
already there, it sure would be nice. And I think it shouldn't
be sort of required. Did in each instance, we only replace that
tag, again, playing the long game here. We only replace that
tag, if we can come up with an idea that enhances it to some
degree. It's about season we replaced season. But we also
added the ability to have a named season so we added an
attribute to it. Right. Okay. Right.
Adam Curry: Which we basically did by request for NPR and they
never picked it up. Yes. And now and now and now they're
bankrupt. Okay. All right.
Dave Jones: Great. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Well, Captivate just blew
it wide open with all these timing, they just released the
flood.
Adam Curry: And I love their whole explanation of like, hey,
you know, this thing is ready to go. We're doing it. We're just
casting everything aside, screw it. And I think, you know,
probably blueberry has something to do with that. You know, you
know what I'm really loving? Because I do I try to do the
triage for podcasts index support, which has increased
significantly, but he but I smile every single time I get I
get something like this. Could you please remove my show? From
all platforms? Yeah, that's great. But no, it makes me it
makes me happy because that means that we have brand
awareness. People have Oh, podcasts index, that's where all
the stuff goes. That's where everyone gets it from podcasts
index. They control all that, which we don't, but I like that
people think we do. Because it's important. And one day we will
of course, obviously everyone will be pulling off either the
index or off a copy of the index. Because no one has the
inputs that we have, which of course is you know, everything
from this from the Swedish trickler to you know, just
anyone showing up with something. We've got so many
some many really cool input. Benjamin Bellamy has also been
put a lot of the French stuff that's getting in there. So no
one has that. Especially the French they don't they don't
even want to be on on Apple for some reason. They just like that
niche is Mac that I not do it in bigger Bay, Apple bombs.
Dave Jones: See this happens in tech support with Help Desk
stuff to people will come down, like users will come down to the
help desk and say, hey, they're looking, they're sort of like
looking around looking over their shoulder and they say,
Hey, I just want John to know that. That website I just went
to that was a total accident. Yeah, I didn't know what was
going to be that. And there's this implicit assumption that
you're watching everything that they do, and that like it, but
you're, of course you're not. I mean, there's like, you can't
see much volume. You can see all this stuff, of course, but you
never tell them that, though, that the proper answer to that
is, it's okay, this time, just don't let it happen again.
Adam Curry: I was, I was amazed by I think you might have sent
me this. Or maybe I saw it. Marco posted the general
guidelines for Apple apps and content.
Dave Jones: And one of those style guide or what yeah,
Adam Curry: what did they call it here? Think inclusively
research words. So that this is which is fine. By the way, I'm
okay with you know, whatever. I don't know if this is the
guidelines means you have to do it, or this is just what they
recommend. But there's a lot of things. Like, don't describe
technology using terms that are inherently inherently violent,
like, kill or hang. It's like kill off a process, I got a
process it's hanging, don't use terms like master and slave.
Well, that's been around for a long time was describing
oppressive human relationship. But then like avoid idioms and
colloquial expressions, common sayings, like fall through the
cracks on the same page backseat driver can add flavor to writing
but can also be difficult to understand for people who are
learning the language if your content is localized. So I see
all these things are very, very concerned about everyone's
feelings about everyone's abilities. And to me, I just
look read this thing we're like, how can you not be displaying
transcripts? If this is your inclusive guideline? Where are
you and I'm not talking about people who have disabilities, of
course, they're their top of the list and I am is someone who
actually had a hearing disability, it's improved by you
know, my, my my dental procedure. So I got but I lived
for five years with hearing aids. But that that is not the
main thing that I get the most common from people who are not
English native English speakers who say I really enjoy having
the transcript running alongside you know, if I don't catch
something I can I can see it, I can kind of decipher the word or
I know how to spell the word that this is exactly what should
be in this general guideline yet. I don't see any transcripts
in Apple's App.
Dave Jones: I don't understand why you would not why you would
encourage people not to use colloquialisms because like when
you're learning a second language, the thing that you
want to know the most is the is the colloquialisms in the other
language you want because that helps you sound native.
Adam Curry: Well, transcripts can do just that. Even if the
app itself won't chromed I'm just shaming people here.
Dave Jones: Okay, and I'm I'm on
Adam Curry: Apple on front apple on front.
Dave Jones: I behind this move, and now
Adam Curry: that we know that Pocket Cast is going to do it
who's going to want to be left behind now? Hmm.
Dave Jones: Well, just don't say grandfathered in. Allowed.
Adam Curry: Did I read that Spotify? I haven't. I'm sure I
read this. The Spotify was now supporting chapters but not the
not the podcast namespace but where it originally came from?
Because it was from a different namespace if I recall.
Dave Jones: I don't know what I didn't see that. What do
Adam Curry: you remember when we first saw chapters? That's why
we incorporated it from the original namespace was a small
namespace and don't you remember?
Dave Jones: Oh, no, I know what you're talking about. You're
talking about pod love the YES,
Adam Curry: YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. That's
Dave Jones: it for that. I think so. Yeah. No, yeah.
Adam Curry: I saw I saw a report about it today. Let me see if I
can find it. Because I'm so sure that I saw an article cross my
my desk today about that. Maybe just
Dave Jones: very few. There's very few feeds that even have
that.
Adam Curry: Probably why Spotify supports it. What can we do with
it? Oh, that'll work. For nobody oh let's use this
Dave Jones: yeah well Nathan just linked over to by the way
Nathan I just merged your pull request. Oh,
Adam Curry: I told you I knew I'd read this somewhere Swiss
doc social Okay, what do we have here? Even though there there
Dave Jones: are some of these issues Spotify have finally
implemented pod lifts and book chapters after having them in
their spec for years huh weird
Adam Curry: Okay interesting
Dave Jones: all right this this the chapter wars chapter wars
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, Spotify in general I think doing a Hail
Mary but Spotify for podcasters they did not they they finally
incorporated the albatross known as anchor into into their
system. So we'll see if they what they start to do with that.
People seem excited that people who write blogs seem excited
about it.
Dave Jones: That's an odd move. The why they haven't they Well,
they support they support timestamp chapters. In the show
notes. They support pod love chapters in the feed. Do Do they
support any chapters that are actually de support mp3
chapters?
Adam Curry: I don't think so. I have no idea. No, I Yeah.
Dave Jones: They seem to be going about this in a very
roundabout way. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Well as I thought you meant that weird move was
the was doing the Spotify for podcasters. I think that that is
the only move they had left. Yeah, and I wonder man, I wonder
if if, if there's going to be renewal of Rogan. I really
wonder? Not from his side. I think he's enjoying it.
Dave Jones: But if there's gonna just can't afford him.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, will he? Man he, I gotta tell you,
Tina and I went to the opening of his his comedy club in
Austin. I didn't know he is open at a comedy club. Yeah, it's
called comedy mothership. It's the old Ritz theatre. We and
it's beautiful. I mean, he's got 250 seats in the main room. And
he's got, you know, like a green room and a private bar, and then
a little small room. And, and of course, you know, he knows how
to how to do VIP stuff. So we got total total blow job all the
way through is great. But what I saw was, and he's been
performing every night, I saw a guy who was really enjoying
himself. And I just wonder if you're, if you're on stage, and
you're, you know, you're not going to be home until midnight
or one every night. And then the next day, you're doing one or
two, three hour interviews. I mean, at what point do you have
to give one or the other up?
Dave Jones: It's true, you know, so it's just bootstrapping this
thing with himself and he's gonna get bigger artists and and
back off. Oh, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, no, this is not a bootstrap. This was a
success out of the gate. He's got show sold out for months,
not not even his own. Yeah, he had Roseanne Barr do a set he
had. Tim Dylan, of course, is local boy. But he's got all
kinds of now. He's, he's bringing he's bringing the
comedians in, is that you know, a lot of the people who work
there come from the, you know, from the Comedy Store kind of
community, which closed in Los Angeles, which was Mitzi shore,
Pauly shores, mom, she ran that. And so he even hired a lot of
the staff that run that place.
Dave Jones: So they just forklift it to that ILA and
dropped it in Austin
Adam Curry: the staff but not I mean, it's a comedy club is a
comedy club, but this is you know, it's new. It's beautiful.
And, and from what I can tell, it's just slamming Nice. So this
is no Bootstrap. This is out of the gates success. It's pretty
amazing. Well,
Dave Jones: that may I guess, I guess the he'll back off at some
point and be doing there. Yeah,
Adam Curry: gotta back off of something. I just think you
know, it's like hey, I'm 58 I'm tired. Imagine this Joe 5455
It's only a few years behind only a few years behind.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I was thinking I had written down you know
about anchor i don't know i don't know what you know, of
course we we knew they would kill the brand because the brand
was Yeah, terrible but
Adam Curry: but all the deals you know, they're kind of
slowing that down if not shutting it down. It certainly
wasn't successful the way you know they don't have the numbers
to show for it. So maybe they're finally going to go for the
recommended strategy is let everybody in you know caught him
in on some ad money if you can if you can sell it which I don't
think my experience is doesn't work because advertisers just
don't want to advertise on on podcast that could not be brand
safe. It's a very hard sell. I've been there done that
Dave Jones: well, I'm the the see what I had something else
we're angry grim mushy here. Oh, yeah, channels. We're gonna talk
about channels versus
Adam Curry: making sure this is this is one that I I'm not so
sure. I agree with the channels. And this is another namespace
tag.
Dave Jones: I would like to hear your, your idea of what you
think channels is and right now?
Adam Curry: Ah, that's a good? That's a good question. I think
channels are a way to put a collection of podcasts for
whatever reason into a single entity or at least to be able to
recognize that these podcasts belong to this channel. So that
could be possibly like a network, like, okay, these are
all the all the cool podcasts that are in my network, and
maybe they would also put this channel into their feed. So you
can have this kind of cross reference. Is I'm anywhere near
the mark?
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, you're close. Yeah, that's pretty much
what the intent is to say, have some facility to say these.
Let's just say five feeds actually all belong to the same
in entity.
Adam Curry: Person whenever we've kind of slipped into
something without officially playing. And now it's time for
some hot namespace or make sure everyone knows why they're all
turned on right now.
Dave Jones: We just went right through the beat door, I know.
With a left handed cigarette, and then he was stuck. So that's
yeah, that's the idea is that you would say, okay, these feeds
all belong to either a person or a publisher, whatever. And
there's you, you can, I think you could probably imagine
various ways to do it. Now, you, you said you have a problem with
it, do you have a problem with the technical implementation or
just the whole idea in general, and just the
Adam Curry: whole idea in general, I mean, I'm not quite
sure how it differs from like a record to me, it would be more
like a recommendation than a channel a channel just reminds
me of a YouTube channel, so I'm just just irks me no matter
what. You know, so do I do I put a channel? So these are all my
podcasts now, there'll be wildly different. The only thing is I
produce them all. So there's may for podcasts? Is that Is that
what a channel? Is? It? Can I as a can I create a new feed, and
just put a bunch of channels in there of people I just like that
don't even agree to be in my channel.
Dave Jones: You can that's, that would be more of a playlist,
where you are choosing a bunch of, of different content to put
to group together, sort of that's like a play, that would
be the playlist. The channel is more of this is all coming from
the same producing entity.
Adam Curry: And How's it different from the author tag?
Dave Jones: Well, the author tag is not always accurate. It's
limited. So for instance, it doesn't give an it doesn't give
enough granularity. So for instance, in this case, I think
the author tag for no agenda says, Adam Korean Jhansi Dvorak,
yeah, author tag for this show would say something different.
So you really can't associate the two says podcast
Adam Curry: index, LLC, I think thank you.
Dave Jones: So you, there's really nothing in the in the
feed that assists in this happen. I mean, this, this
definitely happens. So you have somebody who's like, I just want
to I'm gonna listen, I want to listen to all of the shows by
this group. Even though all the shows in that group may have
different authors different, like, like, I want us, you have
these things that happen with this, this sort of
bastardization of the channel concept that has grown up over
the years, where you have a monolithic feed, the all shows
the Do you know this where it's like? So Jupiter broadcasting
will have
Adam Curry: Sure, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking
Okay. In that case, yeah. All right. All right.
Dave Jones: This, this would replace that. But you're trying
to avoid those kinds of sort of synthetic feeds that aren't
real. And there's a few ways that we discussed doing it. You
can have you could have it be an external, something external
like a JSON file, where this JSON file is referenced by each
of the feeds that are that are in the channel. And then if you
follow or the the reference to the JSON and go get that JSON,
you can then see a list of all the debt that JSON basically is
the channel and it says, okay, these five 610 20 files,
different feed URLs, these are all these are all our chat. This
is our channel
Adam Curry: who created this proposal?
Dave Jones: Kevin from this route, originally, he came up
with the idea and then we, we hashed out a few different ways
to go on it.
Adam Curry: What I would like is I'd like people to implement
cross app comments, and then I'll be happy with everything
else we want to do. I'm worried that we're getting a little, we
get ahead and in the weeds, and everyone's excited about
creating new tags, but the implementation is so far behind.
Dave Jones: Well, the cross comments is, it's, it's got a
life of its own, it's progressing
Adam Curry: it very happy to see it on, on the website, but I'd
love to be able to just respond in pod verse or anything, and
is, am I right? And seeing that fountain doesn't show
transcripts? Am I'm just missing where it is.
Dave Jones: I don't know if they do or not. I don't let as a
question, I do not know the answer to
Adam Curry: Okay. So I know it. It. I love all these tags. But
I'm also very close to the implementation. Like, okay, when
are we going to do certain things?
Dave Jones: I guess you and me, we just got to do I mean, like,
we just have to wait for this. This is the delay between the
content gets made. And then we have to wait for the apps to
catch up.
Adam Curry: But I totally, totally agree. I'm just worried
that when we talk about the stuff, this kind of stuff on on,
on the in the board meeting, we're all kind of focused in
future, which is good, because we want to always be innovating
and driving forward. So it was interesting. That's why I was
interested in where'd this request come from? So does
Buzzsprout have people requesting this? Do they have
they have podcasters requesting this feature? And what can I
compare it to? And then, you know, that's just for
prioritization of where people want to implement stuff. And
sometimes, I think that shifts and, you know, cross app
comments we've been talking about since the inception of the
project almost. And we're so close.
Dave Jones: It happens gradually than suddenly. I think, because
once and I'm glad, I'm glad it's going slow. Because we get to
learn and see what's wrong as we go. We've got the spec, see
that, across comments is really naughty. It's not about the
spec. The spec is, is dead, it's dead simple. It's just a URL.
The spec is not the problem. The spec was so easy. And all of the
problems come from implementation. Brian Right.
That's
Adam Curry: why That's why I want to keep keep the focus
coming back to it whenever I can, because the implementation
seems to be stalled, although not true in the past week or so
with Nathan doing. Doing the stuff on on podcast index.org To
show the comments, but you still can't comment from there either.
Dave Jones: Yeah, well, that's, that's coming though, because
that's, that's they're working on that as well as get Geremy
and Nathan, and, and some other guys that are where they're
hashing out what the yuan is supposed to localize et Cie, I
think that once if if we can get that working on. And I shouldn't
say we because then if they get it working, and I've pushed to
production, the latest changes yesterday, I think so it's it's
up to date with what they've given me to put. If we can get
that working, I think that can become a reference a reference
implementation
Adam Curry: on the website on our website. Yeah. And when
Dave Jones: you want to say hey, go go support cross app
comments. Go to our website, look at the way it's
implemented. And even though you know, the UI you are part is
not, it's up to you, but here's how we expect this thing to
function. Got it. Got it. And that just this just takes time
to develop, you know, I mean, they they have to work out those
books because they're right now they're they're going back and
forth about different things about like, Where does should
this pop out? Should it be in page like a lot of a lot of
implementation details which you just have to kind of play with
and throw things at the wall and see what sticks. Okay, fair,
fair. Yeah, it's moving though. The chair the reason I brought
up the channels things because it's been out there for a long
time. Is probably this proposal is probably six months old. And
if not, maybe a little bit older. It was originally
originally came out when? When Apple because Apple brought out
this feature called channels, but it only works through
podcasts, Apple podcasts connect So you can define a channel. And
you can say, okay, these five shows are part of my channel.
Right? And Kevin, Kevin's initial proposal was, hey, this
seems like we can do this in an open source way. That's not
proprietary to Apple or Spotify, right? So if we can replicate
this open source, then we would all have this ability to do we
don't have the ability to do this, and we can, but it
wouldn't be locked in.
Adam Curry: No, no, of course, we always want to do that. I'm
just trying to figure out who, who needs this. I have never
thought about doing a channel. Even apples. I mean, I gave up
on Apple A long time ago. I don't know if I can get this
into podcast connect anymore. I don't know if I have an account.
Dave Jones: Last time you logged into PUC Apple podcasts in the
years ago,
Adam Curry: years, maybe five years ago. I don't know if I can
still get in at all. I mean, it's just there. And when I gave
up my Mac, you know, it was when when Mac started to screw up the
the hardware was broken, basically USB hardware. And I
gave it up I went to Windows. That's funny, a lot, a lot of
DJs. Like, you know, like the, you know, DJs who do you know,
records, mixes, beats, etc. They all they all went to Windows
because the Mac just was really, really sucking
Dave Jones: the say you said? Yeah, no, go ahead. Yeah, you
said DJ DJs. And that that reminded me. So that was another
use case. That's another use case for this for the channels
is in order to have a so here's an let me find it.
Adam Curry: There's a DJ music near me. Yeah, like
Dave Jones: there's a DJ, that's buddies with Alex. And he popped
into Wave Lake and he's been publishing his.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I saw that saw that.
Dave Jones: And the way he's doing it, here it is James
Dietrich's. And so the way his wavelength feeds are detox
music, D ETS. Oh, 0x. And the way he's doing is he's doing
like a release a song. He's doing a release every, every
week on Sundays. And each release is a new feed. That has
one track in it.
Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. So okay, so that would be now hit
now we get into that would be appropriate for channel. But,
man, what a shitty name. When you when it comes to music?
Dave Jones: And music channel? Yeah. Yeah. But that's the F. Le
I guess, I guess radios or stations. Right.
Adam Curry: And yeah, I mean, that's always the problem. And
nomenclature is always going to be an issue.
Dave Jones: Just you know, because well, you name something
is super important. That's the most important thing.
Adam Curry: Yeah, as you know, and you should never ever make
it a 2.0. And at any point, unless it's RSS, and you could
do that.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the only time it's allowable. RSS
2.0. Everything else is bombastic. H detox
Adam Curry: with a with a with a with a line through the O. So if
you search for detox, you don't get it.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's not a zero. I thought it was a zero.
Was that a zero? Let me try zero. Maybe that's a Unicode
character
Adam Curry: it is and so when I search for detox with that, zero
that line through it, which I don't have on my keyboard, I
don't get any results.
Dave Jones: Oh, James, you're blowing up my search. Yeah.
Adam Curry: How do I how do I get that? That that funky. Oh,
do we do the
Dave Jones: copy and paste? Oh, yeah. Now let's see it. Yep. Oh,
he's got some pretty album art. Gracious. So let's talk
Adam Curry: about music for a second. Okay, which we also
pitch to Pocket Casts? That was really good. You did that. I
think I saw Matt go.
Dave Jones: Everybody loves music.
Adam Curry: Yeah. And so where are we at with with dystopia and
wave like are they now actually? are they submitting or are
people just submitting individually still,
Dave Jones: dystopia is wave Lake is not. And so we've got
the WaveLight guys coming on at for for a another attempt at
being on the show.
Adam Curry: No one blames you for this Dave.
Dave Jones: Thank goodness. Okay. So in three weeks, they
will be back on the show. And we've got lots of music stuff to
discuss with them and what their date. I'll let them speak for
themselves but I think thumbnail sketch is that they really want
the apps to be ready to have a good music experience. Before
they start feeding everything into it before everything is an
RSS feed already but before they start really going public and
trying to push it because in I so from our from our part I went
and downloaded a couple of albums into my podcast into cast
Matic. And out of the box, it's terrible. It's a terrible
experience.
Adam Curry: Of course. Yeah. Makes
Dave Jones: Yeah. Because they, yeah, because the podcast app
thinks these are episodes and you listen to the track
disappears. It was
Adam Curry: also someone who asked me came into the to the
inferred podcast index.org. About how we ordered them that
there's a way to order the episodes in a certain way that
comes through from Buzzsprout. But somehow, it wasn't showing
up correctly on podcast index, you know, I'm talking about.
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's the serial versus episode.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Is that a tag? Is that a is that a switch? What
is that? How does that work?
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's an iTunes tag that till this says,
I says, Is this a? Is this just a show that lasts forever? And
produces a producer as an episode on a schedule I? Or is
this just or is this meant to be like, different like, like a
single run thing where you're where you really need to listen
to it in order
Adam Curry: 12345? Right, which would also be the way you'd want
an album done. Yeah, yep. Yep, yep. Okay. Wow, there's so much
to do. I don't even know how we get people to focus on adding
music to their apps.
Dave Jones: Well, I contacted Franco on podcast index dot
social, and just, it just gave him like a, like a hit list. I
was like, hey, you know, if you had a music mode, where, because
he parses the feed in app, it since he parses the RSS
directly, he'll be able to see that the music medium tag is
there. And if he sees that, to me, it makes sense to go ahead
and prep. Set a bunch of settings. By default. Make it
set it where there's, it's forced to one point x speed.
Adam Curry: In fact, to speed up from the speed up, no. Oh, man,
I've so many ideas now. Go at four times speed and say do you
like this? Do you like this? Podcast? Do you like this is
what you really want you crazy nut job?
Dave Jones: It's like it's, it's beating you. You want some more
of this? Yeah.
Adam Curry: Would you like a podcast? How about this music?
Was it was it podcast addict that released for x? Yeah,
pocket podcasts guru podcast guru. That's crazy. And who
requested that I need to know. I need to know.
Dave Jones: It came through on my test flight. And I posted it
to Jason and he never responded. So I'm not sure. But didn't hurt
his feelings. I was just playing around. Yeah, no. But that's. So
if you had that, where the app says, Oh, here's a music
podcast, I'm going to I'm going to reshuffle myself and be here,
I'm going to play tracks in order. It's only it's only going
to be normal speed, I'm going to take off, like audio record
audio enhancements like voice boost and all this jazz. And
then it goes back to sort of like this default Music Mode. To
me, that would get us half halfway there were no more
transcript
Adam Curry: becomes lyrics, all kinds of all kinds of beautiful
stuff. We can all be done. The thing is the content is now
there, it's coming in. So all and all you have to do is if
you're if you're developing look for the medium tag. Now we don't
we have didn't you work on an endpoint for that for the medium
tag? Or is that just the medium tag? Where there was a search? I
think
Dave Jones: it's, I think what I what I landed on was creating
different sub group different groupings within the endpoint.
So now, now you have standard what you know API, see an API
you have like slash search slash by term. And now there's a new
one that's slash music slash search slash butter. So cool,
right, gonna be subgroups for each medium type.
Adam Curry: And here's what I'd say to you app developers. Why
why I think that there's a good reason for you to consider.
Consider putting a music version, you know, putting some
music UX into your app. If you think podcasters were waiting
for something, you have no idea the amount of people who make
music, who already know are halfway there with with. Some of
them even have RSS feeds or doing encloses already. There's
no to hosting companies that add the medium tag that we're aware
of. Go look at the unhappiness of people who are on Spotify. Go
look at the comparisons are all over the place. This is a huge,
huge international group of content producers who will flock
to you. Yeah, they will. They will swarm you. I can guarantee
it but we just need some good examples. I know music side
project is a great start. But I think that's really the only
one.
Dave Jones: That is the only one. There's I would say that
the music, the potential market for music, podcasting is huge,
because there's so many excellent music artists, that
will they just cannot rise to the level to have a living wage
on a traditional plus streaming platform. It'll never, it'll
never happen. They know. And they know it's not going to
happen. Yeah. But just like a just like a midsize podcaster if
they could produce their content, and make a few $100 a
month off of it. They would be so happy, of course. And that'd
be more possible. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Beats for saps Yeah, tone record. Thank you.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I've got an idea. In my head for a cool feel
cool. Music podcast app. Okay, experience. And I don't want to
actually write it because we've, you know, we've already
Adam Curry: No, no one wants you doing anything else. Well, we
can we can't stretch you any thinner. No, no, no, make more
charts. Don't do an app.
Dave Jones: Charts. They? It's because you know, we've we've
always promised we were not going to compete in those areas
with people. But if nobody else does it. Don't make me do it.
People.
Adam Curry: You want to talk about your idea. You just we
just want to know. Oh, well, how well
Dave Jones: no, no, I do have enough. Okay, I'll talk about
the idea is this is just kind of stupid. Simple. It's GPG music.
It is not music. It's even stupider than that. Okay. The
idea is that you go to let's just let's what are we going to
call this theoretical app?
Adam Curry: noster I'm sorry. mostre. Moscow taken
Dave Jones: to
Adam Curry: really, man. Okay.
Dave Jones: music music. Pod music. No, this is Oh,
Adam Curry: wow, that was no name his name ever? No, no, I've
got a good
Dave Jones: one. I've got I've got a good ear shot or shot dot
F. Oh,
Adam Curry: I like that. Okay, did you register that already?
Dave Jones: I did not. It's still available, but it's too
expensive. It's like 80 bucks. So you go to earshot.fm. And
you're just presented with, with just sort of a swirling, look at
like, you're in a like you're gonna like you're in a storm or
a fog. Just nothing there. All there is is a prompt, just a
blinking carrot prompt for you to type something like that. And
you type you type in if you type in, let's just say country, or
dance or something like that. And music just begins to play.
And they're all it's all it just does a quick query into the
music search endpoint in podcast index. And just start playing
music. There's there's no fancy stuff. It's just a stupid dumb
but it's but it's an example of, of podcast music. Delivery. Hmm
Adam Curry: sounds a bit like Pandora. In a way.
Dave Jones: Perhaps,
Adam Curry: man earshot.fm was 100 bucks a year now that guy's
making out
Dave Jones: the FM guy
Adam Curry: yeah the.fm I think he's one of the biggest sponsors
of the conference in Vegas. No wonder cheap No wonder $100
Dave Jones: Oh, does the FM GOD DOES HE IS HE part of pockets
move? Yeah,
Adam Curry: I saw um, I saw sponsoring.fm everybody.fm Get
your get dot.fm here
Dave Jones: that's that's a lot FM is like the cheapest one have
ever seen is like 80 bucks.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I just checked his $100 for earshot I love you
man. But I'm not buying that.
Dave Jones: No, I'm not either. I don't I don't even love me
that I like that. Yeah, I think I think there's there's a this
this is a huge, huge fun music discovery.
Adam Curry: And then of course you can save them and have a
library and all that groovy stuff. Yeah, it makes nothing
but sense makes nothing but sense. I totally agree. And it
probably a whole new separate app. But we'll we'll consider
we'll treat it just like one of our own. No matter who comes up
with anything any any any music app, any other app that you
consider movie app, whatever. We'll consider it one of our
own. We will adopt it right away.
Dave Jones: You know, don't I guess one of the what I say is
don't make Steven B He do all the work. Exactly. And then he's
got a job
Adam Curry: Steven B is an amazing guy. He just so much
thank a few people people have been boosting us during the
show. Let's see I'll use comments or Blogger as the
delimiter 1000 stops from Bill pragae says you want to use
music in your podcast just add splits to music posted to the
music tag yeah well I thought we talked about the remote item
being the way to do that. Was it remote item
Dave Jones: maybe I don't understand what he's saying and
Adam Curry: I don't think I understand it either.
Dave Jones: Just add sounds like he's just saying put the music
in music medium
Adam Curry: No, no, no no I said just add splits to music posted
to the music. He's asking you a question I'm not sure send us
10,000 sites with a better phrase or better
Dave Jones: we quite we didn't quite undescribed
Adam Curry: understand I think it's more SATs it'll we'll
understand it better. That's coming into curio caster of
course curio caster great for the lit shows 4321 from tone
wrecker. Previous pod speeding penance, I slowed it back to one
time speed All right. Another life saved or created. Bill
Prague again. 5000 SATs kind regards to zap nostril mask
maxis. Okay. Because I don't know. But I oh yeah,
Dave Jones: I don't know. Bills drunk.
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should be more. Let's see. We have Hey, citizens. 6969 Brian
of London. He says renegotiate the car podcast listening rules.
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people took it and said, Hey, man, I told him I said it's gone
yet. It has a life of its own. He's just happy. He's happy with
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citizen. Hey, citizen renegotiate that. Okay, here we
go. This is the original from Brian of London with 51,948
SATs. Thank you very much for us or Brian. My wife will only let
me listen to the show in the car when Adam is spinning 80s tracks
and nostalgia.
Dave Jones: Nice. Well.
Adam Curry: That's just not going to happen. Because that's
a huge violation of rights. And I didn't like that myself. But
once in a while you just got to break the law, you know, sorry,
pirate radio or just replace your wife. How about that was
maybe a better idea. Easier. much easier, much easier to get
me to do that again. Hey, citizen again. 69. Six times I
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Dave Jones: Nice.
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Then we have Macintosh 2100 SATs. Sorry, Dave. I looked at
the front end code for new podcast apps.com And I just
can't update it. I don't know, react from whatever other front
end frameworks are out there. My front end work ended with
blinking gifs in HTML and 2001 Dude, remember red ball dot GIF
I had that one. I thought it was something I could help you out
with. So all your React front end people get on it and make a
pull request.
Dave Jones: No problem. I don't know react either. So silly. Not
a Number
Adam Curry: I at one point I even wanted to change something.
I can't remember what it was I wanted to, to add a link and I
went into the GitHub. I'm like, I don't understand this is this
is not Drupal. Drupal.
Dave Jones: When you look at React for the first time, it's
complete insanity. It's some bastardized version of
JavaScript. That's with HTML inline embedded with it. It's
your head spins.
Adam Curry: Yes, because I want I know, I wanted to put a link
to value for value dot info, like that might be helpful.
That's all I wanted to do. I want to add a link. I'm sure I
can jack that in somewhere if at least I can see code that looks
like a page. But no, yeah, good luck. Yeah, no idea. Martin
Linda's Koch Adam and Dave, thanks for podcasting. 2.0
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Adam Curry: Because I had a note here. I don't just a note. A
note a note. Sure this. Todd Cochrane chapter checking in
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Dave Jones: it would be they want to see the chart go up
tomorrow as was happening. This is all about oh this
Adam Curry: chart is going to be great. But But of course if you
don't change it then it'll be down again tomorrow. It's so
it's such you know what it is? You know if you want walk past a
watch store. And maybe maybe this isn't that way. I think the
wait typically is all the watches are set to 1010 10
minutes after 10 Because that looks like a happy face.
Dave Jones: Oh, okay. Okay,
Adam Curry: so this this chart the minute you go to, like all
these guys are in trouble.
Dave Jones: This is like this. It's like silk is like svbc
stock.
Adam Curry: Yes, it does. It doesn't look like this is bad or
this is not going well. I don't want to promote it until that
until we have a happy uptick.
Dave Jones: So they were doing great until their Lena brothers
moment right there.
Adam Curry: We definitely need to have some, you know, I'm not
a big fan of multiple people in the boardroom. Just because it's
just tough. But I'd love to have one or someone on to discuss the
the gutter punk innovators of what's happening with the IRC
bots. I mean, there's some really interesting stuff in
there. We should just do now let's do it. Let's do that.
Okay. And then I hit the delimiter so you want to thank
our Fiat Meanwhile, I'll go take a look and make sure we haven't
make sure we haven't missed any tally coin that no one ever the
only person who ever does tally coin is dread. Dread but we love
it. We love it for sure.
Dave Jones: He just does it as an old check to make sure the
cars running all right yeah 30 cc chat F 3333 through pod verse
he says I think the best part of the dance party board meeting
yesterday was half people compete complete each other song
request donation amounts something about that just felt
magical.
Adam Curry: It was and it showed me that there's so much we can
do with with lit which is another thing that we know needs
more promotion the What a fantastic format what a great
way as a podcaster to up your game to involve your community
right right live in real time and and to make money I mean it
really showed that the community rallies around you and they come
up with their own games I love that was great. Thank you.
Dave Jones: Let me ask you is is Opie three measuring the live
stream also? Do you have the pre op three prefix in front of the
live stream URL? Oh, that's a good question when I take a look
because I would love to know which apps are using it the most
I do actually. Okay, so we should be able to look and see
if pod verse, podcast addict curio caster. I'd love to see a
breakdown of that and and also to monitor if any new apps come
on line because I know there's one that's supposed to be coming
on good
Adam Curry: good good good yeah oh p three dot Dev and I've
listened that no agenda stream.com/no agenda. So that's
just point to the stream. But John Spurlock is a is in he's in
Vegas getting drunk with everybody so it'll he's not
listening it'll take a while. That's true.
Dave Jones: See, we need you back in Dallas John. Let's see
I'm 2112 through fountain he says this is a replay of
yesterday's Liberty boost regarding the song 55 million
Frenchmen 27 and Benjamin Bella's Bill Bellamy's post
music tip at the music radio.com Radio dismuke Vintage popular
music and jazz from 1925 to 35 rows 2112 album boost Martin
lindskog.
Adam Curry: Thank you nice nice nice
Dave Jones: Piette Pauling a satchel of Richards through
poverties is pre show boost. What word Walter Wriston
Adam Curry: filters and very good that means good night's
sleep tight.
Dave Jones: Those velcro loose Deville turista? Yes. Anti
German that way. dribs got 55 555 through pod verse he says
pre boosting. Wow. See, these? These are so since last week's
show was a little messy. Some of these are coming in, you know
like these are like, pre boosts from from the show before
because it was
Adam Curry: doing the pre boosts or the Prusa. Africa's I don't
know I don't Yeah, they're just probably doubling some of them.
There was no wait a minute because we did a show after
that. I don't know. Just make everybody doesn't matter. Thank
everybody.
Dave Jones: Chad F 3333 says Can someone unlock the door to the
boardroom? I can't get into the chat room.
Adam Curry: Sorry, you know, it's locked now.
Dave Jones: dribs got 5555 boosting days poll work.
Adam Curry: I do good poll work. You're great on the poll.
Dave Jones: A Chris You know 9109013 through pod vs. As you
can't just go out there and do poll work whenever you want. You
first have to call up and put in a poll request a poll. I love
it. Chad F 3333 Again, and another Chad F and he says, Hey,
I only requested Ride the Lightning after someone
requested milkshake. Yes, dri milkshake. Not a great not a
great
Adam Curry: yeah, it got it got a little weird. I told you it's
like when you when you take requests, then the flow kind of
gets broken somewhere along the line.
Dave Jones: drips got 5585 says Adam was really having fun
yesterday. It was great to witness. Yeah, this is what it
was because we didn't read the boosts on Saturday show. So that
we could do in order from this like the post show boost. Yeah,
right. Right. Right. Yeah. Eric PPS and it's 33 333 with no note
through the boost CLI. Thank you, Eric. Thank
Adam Curry: you very much.
Dave Jones: No note on that. Phone boy 6969 Never thought I'd
be the lead into the pod father on a Saturday. Lots of love for
Phoenix and I at the Lotus effect for everything y'all are
doing to advance podcasting.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. So we broke into their into their
feed because we typically use no agenda stream on Fridays and so
they were kind enough to give it up for us on Saturday which we
appreciate
Dave Jones: it and again another Phoenix 6969 Thank you for the
part father for all y'all are doing lady Phoenix and Lord
phone boy the Lotus effect come for the shenanigans stay for the
party. Nice. See? I think we'll see did we
Adam Curry: did we read we read those two? I remember those two?
We did.
Dave Jones: Okay. So maybe
Adam Curry: while you're checking that Dred Scott came in
with a 121212121212 Whoa, that's 121,212 sorry, forgot to test
the tally coin. Really job. We're just kidding. Out of
curiosity.
Unknown: 20 is bleh Oh, man, I
Adam Curry: just have this fear that Dred Scott is spending all
of his inheritance or you know, it's like and he's gonna be out
on the street you know, with no money or with a cup
Dave Jones: is what's going to come in one day. So what is
this?
Adam Curry: I want to make sure man that did I love you drive
man, but you're you are you're supporting a lot of a lot of
podcasts with a lot of dough. So just to make sure okay. Anyway,
he says out of curiosity, what kind of licensing and cost will
be involved with doing a music so like you did Friday, which to
me is dribs saying hey, I'll pay for that? No, just so you know,
that is actually not possible. You cannot do that unless the
only way you can get around it is if you have an existing radio
station with an actual radio signal. There are rules where
you can duplicate that signal. But just as a stream, you cannot
do a DJ show like I did on a stream. Certainly not On a
downloadable podcast, the music industry are such greedy fox,
they don't make that available to us. Otherwise, believe me, I
would be doing it five days a week.
Dave Jones: That's, you've explained that to me before and
basically there is no they will not give you a license to do you
Adam Curry: know, right now. I mean, you see what Spotify has
to go through. You can add music to your show, but don't you dare
talk over it? No, no, no, you have to stop and then they start
the music and yeah, that's the play and fade out all the way.
It's horrible. Bill Praxis fu I'm in Serbia. 10k SATs just
like three beers over here. Gives us a fast I got your
brother I got
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's like I'm not gonna spend three beers to
explain myself and
Adam Curry: Brian of London 1948 is rarely freedom boosts next up
breaking the law but Judas Priest home brother. I just
can't get away from Nathan gathright. 2000 SATs got
elicited oh point five times for a while to bring my average back
down. Okay, just wants you to be healthy brother just want you to
be healthy. All right. That's That's what just came in in the
past pass from Naples
Dave Jones: and fast thinker. I can imagine that that would be
varied. Because you can tell by the way he talks that he's his
mind goes fast. Yeah, but I bet you he has to. He has to resist
the urge to pod speed.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but you want you but he normal people around
him. Don't speed
Dave Jones: he goes to Starbucks like even that coffee. Yeah,
exactly. See Brooklyn 112. Central Richards No, zaps. No
tips. Only boosts. No.
Adam Curry: It's okay. We're not We're not anti zap at all.
Unknown: No, I love it. It's
Adam Curry: training people for booster grams.
Dave Jones: After after Dave whiners hate it was spewed on.
Who was
Adam Curry: was posting this?
Dave Jones: No, no, he posted he had a big long anti 2.0 post.
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, I did see that. Yes. What about
it?
Dave Jones: All of all of which was so one. So ill informed as
to be hilarious. But this had an effect on me. I thought to
myself self that self. You need to be more more open about these
other technologies? Don't Don't be so negative all the time. Oh,
absolutely. I
Adam Curry: totally agree. And I'm glad because I was the one
that told you, man, you should try noster she what's going on
there?
Dave Jones: Am I going to go out and build something on noster?
No. But I'm going to limit my mockery of noster. Well,
Adam Curry: I think this is a there's something very different
went on there. And I'll just say it sounds because he was very
inflammatory when he posted podcast wars like wow. Like,
what is he talking about? And I really didn't understand at all.
What is like there's two groups that will soon be in a tech
tabloid coming to you soon, like what is going on with this?
Dave Jones: I read it and had no clue what he was talking about.
He sounded deranged. Now, and
Adam Curry: I think I think I know what happened. I'm just
taking a stab here. I could be wrong. I have a feeling that
someone approached him about the podcast Standards Project, which
was going to be different from podcasting. 2.0 which is not in
his basically taking tags that we develop and use it and
somehow keep and of course, oh, Courage involved with one of
those two, which one is it? That's the shitty one. Because,
because that's what most people do. It's like, oh, it's Korean.
But that's gotta be shit. Can't be that. He's probably trying to
steal podcast and he wants to be a billionaire. Ah. So but I
think James explained it very well to him. And then I saw Dave
saying, Oh, okay. Well, I don't see I don't see a corrective
post, saying sorry, but okay, whatever. So I think that's what
happened and that. And it's unfortunate, because these
things always happen around podcasting is always all kinds
of intrigue and crap going on. And I thought we've kind of
gotten beyond that.
Dave Jones: Will they always happen around podcasting, but
they also always happen around Dave Warner. So this
Adam Curry: is that? Yeah, there's that anyway.
Dave Jones: So let's see Karen from the new modal podcast. 2222
through fountain he says, as you were playing the demo, I was
waiting for it to switch from the robo lady to get to the real
ai dj but about halfway through I realized she was it Eesh Yeah,
he got he's, he's been paused. Speeding. Yeah. And his his
brain is unable to tell the difference between reality and
fiction.
Adam Curry: This is exactly what happens.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm sorry. I feel sorry for you, Karen. I
loved you when you were when you were with us still. Now your
brain is gone. Nicklaus be 58 2100 SATs he says the
fountain he says I'm testing. Well Nicholas your test was
success successful. Well done. Carl 6007 gave us 2222 SATs
through fountain no note. Clarkin, my buddy gave us 25,001
SATs says weekly boost can't make a long note because
fountain keeps crashing every two minutes. Hopefully it'll be
fixed by next week. Gene bean 1337 says duck asthmatics is pot
search.fm is available and would be fitting for the transcript
search tool. That's true awesome buddy. Grab it pod search.fm is
pretty good name is probably cost $3,000 But you need to get
Nick dose 369 SAS boosters versus zappers fight. No no, no,
no, we're not going to fight those guys. We have too much
firepower, they wouldn't stand a chance. Jean been the grow of
ducks 22 to 22 through cast medics has just wanted to give
Oscar and the folks at Felton a shout out for their podcast
promotion system. It was super easy to promote volunteer
technologist and provided nice metrics about what I was getting
for my money. It's also been fascinating to look at the
statistics in Buzzsprout and op three related to where people
are because the non US audience is much larger percentage than I
had anticipated.
Adam Curry: Oh interesting.
Dave Jones: And is interesting. Oh, Bill Prague. He of the
expensive beers says gets in as 9712 He says boost for being
human and not an AI podcast. There you go.
Adam Curry: Yes. We're not weird. We're not GPT that's a
low bar.
Dave Jones: And you just encountered Maxis within maxis.
That is how we normal people feel every time we say bitcoin
is not best for everything. Okay, Bill Prague again. 10,000
SATs to convert some more hive into SAS to boost again, Maxis
encountered deserves it. Okay.
Adam Curry: Wow. Okay.
Dave Jones: I don't know what we said.
Adam Curry: But it was good. Yeah, it was awesome. It doesn't
matter if we make someone mad or happy as long as you're
boosting. It's all good.
Dave Jones: Alberto 999 says do fountain and he says it's here.
Adam Curry: Good to hear. It's finally here. Is that Alberta?
rss.com. Maybe about transcripts? Maybe that was the
big issue here. Yes, it's a mysterious teaser boost.
Dave Jones: A bit that's what it was. Big announcement from them
by the way that was that was I think
Adam Curry: that's the fan reaching tastic the fact that
they have multiple languages out of the box is great too.
Dave Jones: And I love I love that they're doing it like sort
of in house and not a third party I think I think that tells
me that probably transcripts is cheap enough now to where the
industry can do this. Yeah, it's it's gotten it's gotten
affordable. So that's a good thing to see.
Adam Curry: And those guys are just killing it no matter what I
really appreciate what they're doing.
Dave Jones: Yeah, me too. Clarkin again with 1000 SATs he
says Update Oscar helped me fit the fountain issue like a balls
back up and running Thank you Oscar. play by play on tech
support here from film 12,000 SATs from ION robot through a
through foundation is dropping off some climate change for the
index so Dave can keep the lights on five by five in the
pipe go podcasting.
Adam Curry: Go podcast. Mr. I think it's Mr. Robot. I think
he's hilarious.
Dave Jones: SLC 12498 through found he says the sages
dictation speed is less like a tortoise and more like a New
Yorker. 1.25x The fact that he can get God sets him apart from
the AI boosting the NI natural. Nice, nice, nice guest VLAN
3690. Is thank you for your work.
Adam Curry: You're welcome. You're very welcome. We're happy
to do that for you.
Dave Jones: Just listening 1776 Boost says I need info on how to
create ISOs the little audio clips I can't find anything
anywhere. I don't know. Just I use DLC YouTube DLC to download
stuff off YouTube and clip it that way.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I just I record actually I process
everything I record. So I'll I'll I'll put it straight from
the from the output of the computer into Hindenburg. Which
by the way, I was wrong about Hindenburg that that 10 hours of
transcript time that's only 10 hours at a time it's not like
they're charging you or like the like it's a bank where you have
to redeposit time yeah, it still takes it takes a long time on
this computer though. This computers he started
Dave Jones: doing it local. You're not doing it through
otter anymore.
Adam Curry: I here's the thing. I did want I did the podcast in
2.0. And there's no way to output it. There's no export of
the of the transcript. It's a transcript so that you can edit
based on the transcript and which works really well. It's
kind of like D script. I guess it's impressive how that works.
But there's no way to export an SRT or TTV or LMNOP or any of
that stuff. I couldn't even pass Like all copy it, I'm like,
okay, all right, well, that's weird. That just beta is beta,
beta two beta, two beta.
Dave Jones: Karen from Emerald is back again. tu tu tu tu tu
fountain. He says, Hey, Adam. Yes. The recent guest of mine
was talking about how other graphic designers would get mad
at him for doing a V for v time model. When he was first
starting to design as freelancer. If you ever had
other podcasters mad at you for ruining it ruining it for the
rest of us, ie putting your product out for free.
Adam Curry: No, I think most people think we're stupid and
doesn't work and it's crazy. And why would you do that? And when
did you Why'd Why do you want chips? Now I've heard anything
ship anyone who's actually done the work and looked at what
we're doing. So no, no one's ever gotten mad. that I know
have
Dave Jones: we got a 6666 from the socialists that says satanic
socialist down under Oh, great love. Love the show. But please
lay off Beelzebub Satan gets blamed for a lot of bad stuff.
But even he would not stoop so low as to use dynamic ad
insertion.
Adam Curry: Is that is that the actual Satan guy who does the
party?
Unknown: Hey, this is Beelzebub telling you to boost more.
Dave Jones: Don't Satan would you ever use dynamic ad
insertion? Never. There you go. That's definitive,
Unknown: except on Sundays.
Dave Jones: That's definitive. There you
Adam Curry: go. Don't use it. Don't do it. People save
yourself.
Dave Jones: Borlaug. 20,021 sets note. Thank
Adam Curry: you though Borlaug, thank you appreciate it.
Dave Jones: But then Borlaug comes back with 20,023 sets and
there is a note okay. He says these two boasts boosts are twin
primes, just like the two of you. Thanks for what you have
done with this project and will thank you,
Adam Curry: Grace. Yes, I
Dave Jones: appreciate it. But who is this is this lavish?
lavish boot? Did you get this 100,000 boost from lavish?
Adam Curry: I don't recall anything from lavish Let me see.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, you did the gutter punk innovators? Yes.
Yeah, we got. We did.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay, well, now we got to a couple more
booths just came in. See dubs one a one a 110 1101. Thank you
very much. And striper boost 77,000 77,777 from Steve Webb,
the OG God caster. He says Hey, guys, just checking in from
Lifespring media central go podcasting. Oh, good podcast.
Steve Webb I saw him in the top 10 on fountain with his
lifestyle I think it was It is his? Which one was it? He's
doing like the Bible one through the Bible.
Dave Jones: The one that goes on with it. Yeah, for every
Adam Curry: single day. Yeah, it's nice. And speaking of
striper boost turns out I interviewed striper on MTV and
there's like a there's like a video of Did you see that?
Dave Jones: The guy with a broken foot? Yeah, I'm
Adam Curry: like holy crap. I can't believe that if only they
knew that they had become a boost number. It will be so they
will be pleased I'm sure. And like
Dave Jones: this, like this, Steve came in with a striper
boost to offset that Satan boost. Yeah, that's thanks. Yes.
Adam Curry: There you go. That's exactly how it works. Yes.
Beautiful. Thank you very much. We needed that Steve. Thanks.
Dave Jones: There's about balances restored. Perfect
Adam Curry: timing. Yes, the world is good again. Who?
Dave Jones: Really Schonfeld?
Adam Curry: Was you Oh, what did you say now?
Dave Jones: 4321. He says listening in Fiat speed I like
it. I'll take it. Thank you Roy comic strip blogger the
delimiters 30 3015 through fountain he says delicious
delicious Dave and appetizing Adam no goodness. once a
fortnight start your day right with a nutritious helping of the
AI cooking podcast, a 2.0 compliant V for V certified show
where the deliciously nimble Tang goof aka Gregory Forman,
The Once and Future King of kinit, aka the COC delivers.
Adam Curry: It means something different in Britain
Dave Jones: delivers tasty morsel after morsel of news
items about artificial intelligence, because complexity
and brevity are a handsome bedfellows. Yo CSB.
Adam Curry: Thank you CSB for always supporting every single
show I've ever heard in my life and I hope it's working out this
is probably the longest running promotion that that has been
going on for for podcasts is what he is doing for AI cooking.
Dave Jones: We need to start marketing this you know, like
Todd does for GoDaddy, the longest running continuous
podcast sponsored DSP the longest running continuous
booster
Adam Curry: Yep, he's just right. And he podcast and
consistently And he'll boost again if he if he misses a split
he'll complain make it fixed.
Dave Jones: He'll bet you button duty day
Adam Curry: I never have to worry if my umbrella is down
because it's coming to your blog it will let me know. I don't
need to run any service that checks I just see SP he'll take
care of it's like pager duty. Whatever he has paid. Remember
that pager duty I had paid duty. Goodness. Oh man. Oh man. Oh,
man.
Dave Jones: Oh, we got some gotcha monthlies. Monthly. Yes.
Sorry for the long donation. Second level. We had that mix up
last week, so you gotta get a deal. Wallasey Cameron Rose $25.
Joseph maraca $5. Will you mang $5 Jeremy new $5 pod verse, LLC
$50. Thank you, Michelle. Lauren ball $24.20. Basil, Philip $25.
Mitch Downey, of pod verse $10. And Christopher Paul robotic $10
Adam Curry: Thank you. Oh, yeah, thank you all so much for
supporting podcasting 2.0 as the only way that it can be
supported the only way that it will continue as existence that
is through supporting the podcast and of course,
supporting everything that we do at podcast index.org podcast
index dot social. Edie had, do you ever have a chance to make a
calculation about what it would cost to upgrade the gear to do
full indexing of episode notes, etc?
Dave Jones: Oh, no, no, I mean, we're gonna have to update we're
gonna have to upgrade the database instance.
Adam Curry: Again, we didn't just do that about a couple
months ago.
Dave Jones: No, I was able to put it off. Okay, okay. Yeah, I
stretched it stretched our budget. So I was able to make
that happen. But but I've not done that. Honestly, I just
don't even know. I mean, indexing 110 million episodes, a
full 4000 characters of each district
Adam Curry: would only be 4000. We can't index PDFs and other
stuff people throw in there. Oh, that's yeah, I like that.
Shocking.
Dave Jones: I know. It's got your kids
Adam Curry: a real shocker. Oh, no, we call that a bombs. Yes.
Oh, my God this
Dave Jones: week? Yeah, no, it? I don't know that. I don't know
how much it would be. I don't think isn't I don't know that is
necessary.
Adam Curry: No, I'm just we get requests. And so all I do is
just say, Hey, is it possible? Can we do it? No. Okay, fine. I
hope people
Dave Jones: are using the new people search because I think
it's read I spent some time on a couple of weeks ago. And it's
pretty good. Now. It's pretty darn good. Good
Adam Curry: Pocket Cast. They're working on their search. Are
they going to because they were also going to integrate people?
Right. Did they did so well. They ended up
Dave Jones: looking at the person. Well, I don't know. I
don't know why. I guess they're doing their own search since
they spend so much time on it.
Adam Curry: But yeah, I mean, they could just use an API but
okay, go go go rebuild the wagon there. Let me show you so if I
do Adam curry it'll just pop it up. Let me see.
Dave Jones: Oh, no, he's are using ours. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Wow, that works really fast.
Dave Jones: Every everything I do is fast brother. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Adam curry payload.
Dave Jones: What is this? Let's say we payload
Adam Curry: Adam curry payload. Adam Curry's RSS enclosure test
channel. Where's this from? Let me see.
Dave Jones: What what see does it say that? Oh, this
Adam Curry: is from a radio weblogs feed this can't be
active anymore candidate. Let's see if it plays anything. Does
it play anything? No. Operation Iraqi convertible journalism
Mars. Are they crooked? What is this stuff? This is great. None
of it works. But it's great. Oh, I'll tag this to be nuked.
Where'd that even come from?
Dave Jones: I would love what's the feed number what's the feed
ID
Adam Curry: for 605475 So that's not that's pretty new.
Dave Jones: Force of some Chris rising dug up out of the
Adam Curry: ether. Clearly, clearly Gary Leland I'm
Dave Jones: curious RSS includes your test feed
Adam Curry: Adam curry free culture. Adam curry daily Audio
Bible.
Dave Jones: Adam Adam listen to this. If you click through to
the RSS feed, yeah, this this goes to
cyber.harvard.edu/rss/examples/rss enclosures example dot XML Holy
moly. Wow, this is oh this this was last build date Sunday. 27th
of June 2004.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What's it to you bro?
Dave Jones: Generator, radio user land V.
Adam Curry: I told you I told you that. Well, that's
interesting. So they republished some feeds over there.
Dave Jones: Well, I think it's probably always been there
forever. I bet you this is just something nobody even knows is
there anymore. Like so many aspects of my life. I'm not
killing this feat. Other indexes. This is history
brother.
Adam Curry: All right. Everybody that'll conclude our broadcast
day to buck 10 Wow, we're really stretching it out these days. We
need to get some guests on so we hurried up whenever we have goes
much shorter.
Dave Jones: We've got we've got Tom Rossi from Buzzsprout next
week oh cool about Yeah, I'm
Adam Curry: gonna have corruption so I'm going to ask
him about this. This podcast standard project. Yeah, yep. And
we will clearly behind it clearly he's
Dave Jones: probably gonna ask him about his about what?
Adam Curry: Alright, brother Dave, thank you. I know this is
really crazy times for you with with your with your work with
tax coming up. You know, does that all end on the 16th and
then all sudden, you just get to let out a big sigh.
Dave Jones: Yes. I think it may be the 17th this year,
Adam Curry: though. That's right. The 16th is the final
date. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yep. I'm home with it. Actually, my daughter's sick
today so
Adam Curry: Oh, she'd be okay.
Dave Jones: Yeah, she's fine. She ran a fever just some some
low fever virus and just doesn't want
Adam Curry: to go to school. I got I know how you dip the
thermometer and some hot water like oh, I don't feel good.
Yeah. All right, chat room. Thank you very much. Thank you
to all the boosters who came in and support us. We really
appreciate it. This has been the podcasting 2.0 board meeting we
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