Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for May 12 2023, episode 132 manhood
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to my friend on the other end latest gentleman Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: Nathan Nathan gathright Just dive ball with me
in the chat. What do you do? Neat Steve seems like a said MK
Ultra check question mark. Don't forget Oh, you
Adam Curry: forgot you forgot to fire it up.
Dave Jones: I did. I forgot to set sail with the chat and it's
it's it's Doa now.
Adam Curry: Oh. Oh, you
Dave Jones: don't have it plugged in. I don't have it
plugged in yet to the heat. Okay, let me
Adam Curry: know. Can you can you fire that? I mean, what so
what are we using here? Because we have we have our live chat
room. Yeah. I mean, we want people to use MK Ultra chat or
what do we want them to use? I mean, I'm fine. Either way.
Dave Jones: We're matter. I mean, like they use whatever
they want. Yeah, but I wouldn't have
Adam Curry: said we're going to the pub, I thought they were
gonna be they're gonna be connected. And they will be one
day. Oh, okay. All right. Just wanted one day.
Dave Jones: I can't even auto start it. Yes, I'm gonna get
where were you? What
Adam Curry: do you have to do a whole landline be boop
Dave Jones: to two different ones, too. It's too firm. It's a
twofer. It's a two, it's a two, there's a split process. So
there's, there's a there's a web process an HTTP server that goes
it sits in there. And then there's a WebSocket server, both
talk to the same back end. But like you have to fire them up
separately. So this is this, this, this should all be if at
the end of this process, it will be Dockerized. So that these
things come up as a docker. What do you call it thing?
Adam Curry: Container? Yeah,
Dave Jones: it's like we're two containers. I'm drawing a blank.
It's Docker Compose. Sorry, Docker.
Adam Curry: Oh, Docker, I've had my head deep into Docker
containers and compose
Dave Jones: no heavy Yeah, it feel
Adam Curry: a little smelly? Yeah, no, I had one of those
original Bitcoin machines, which is basically the Raspberry Pi,
preloaded with Umbral that has a cool little display that shows
you you know, it circles between men pool and the current price
and you know, just like a almost like a big clock type thing. And
it has a two terabyte hard drive internal. And if there's one
thing I've learned about Raspberry Pi's, like the whole
power management thing, and I mean, really like, like the
power coming from the, from the power supply sucks. In fact, the
Raspberry Pi platform in general is a little disappointing to me.
Considering that, you know, for 150 bucks, you can get a Beelink
and, you know, just jam Ubuntu on there. And it's more
powerful.
Dave Jones: People using these Raspberry Pi's as like their
main desktop, you people are nuts, just don't do this. So
Adam Curry: what happened is, you know, I'm not quite sure why
but then the power supply started was too weak, and then
it would, it wouldn't recognize the drive. And this would go up
and down and up and down. And I didn't know if it was the power
supply the drive. Well, ultimately, this happened so
many times, that drives start to go bad. So I decided to get a
Beelink I loaded Ubuntu on it. And then I copied I did it with
our sync because you know, with our sync you if it fails, you
can go back and it'll pick up where it left off instead of
like Cp
Dave Jones: v dash or exactly
Adam Curry: what you do. You do dash a and then it'll get all
the dot files and everything. And Windows. It's x copy. Yeah,
I tried to stay away from windows. So I was able to copy
the contents of the drive over. And then you know, I did sudo
script start and they went hey, I don't have Docker. Oh shoot.
Okay, install Docker install py yq to pre pop Hebrew whatever
all the stuff that it kept screaming for. I don't think
there's real well why why Q was the last thing you need. I don't
know what that was. And I love that about Unix it just says no,
no, no, this I need this. Okay, install that. Now. I need this
right. Now. We need this thing. Okay. And I fired up, bam. It
just works on a whole new machine. The nd came back to
life tail skill work the same address just worked again. It
was I would really phenomenal.
Dave Jones: I told a coworker of mine the other day, I was
fighting a Windows Remote Desktop RDS server farm. And
this thing would not produce the correct RDP files for access.
And it was just like, which is a bunch of stuff was missing. It's
just nothing I did would fix this. And finally, I found an
obscure reference on a on a website to somebody who had a
similar problem a few years ago. And they're like, it's your
certificates. You got to re upload their certificates. But
but he but the certificates are right, you just have to do it
again. And like they're already there, but you just have to do
it again. Because that's just what Windows wants. Well, that's
it. I was like, I was like, why am I fighting with this like
Linux just worse all the time?
Adam Curry: Well, so I got my start nine machine in there who
you lucky bastard? Well, you know, I'd spent a couple hours
with the CEO talking about the future and everything I think
actually you got Cameron is already working on making a an
app for it with IPFS podcasting, which is one of the things that
we're interested in. So this is on the purism hardware. So this
is the high end. This is like the pro version. It's a really
nice, beautiful, beautiful box, plug it in, you know, it does
everything you'd expect, except they they kind of want you to go
through everything using either dot local, or tour. And then I
guess in the version four of that, because it's an OS, it's
not a Docker thing. It's an actual operating system. They're
gonna have clear, clear net access, but until then, so you
have to, it's like, the whole beauty of this is it's supposed
to be click, and you'll have to do command line stuff. And you
don't, but you do have to install the certificate. And you
wind up with a machine name like that you can't change apparently
mine is felt dash manhood dot local. I'm like, I don't like
this. I don't like this. Why did it do that? Did
Dave Jones: you choose that? No, no,
Adam Curry: no, no, did generated automatically. This is
not gray. No, that didn't feel good. And then I had to go in
and I have to install the cert into my browser and into the
operating system. So like, Wow, man, that was a lot more than I
bargained for.
Dave Jones: So let me please tell me that if you're if you
install is this destined to be a lightning node?
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, it's got next
cloud, it's got it's got you know, it's it's destined, the
whole point of start nine, is to take you off a big tech Silicon
Valley stuff, and replace it with, you know, with your own
sovereign hosting.
Dave Jones: I just want you to put felt manhood into your value
blog into your split. I
Adam Curry: think it's a show title, honestly, it is. Anyway,
I told the, I told the CEO, Matt nice guy said, Hey, I'm writing
down some stuff you want me to send to particular team members
have now sent directly to me. So that's one of the things I have,
like I need to be able to change that name, by the way, dot
local, doesn't work on Wi Fi extenders. I mean, he's all
kinds of stuff that having just pure, clean net access, which,
you know, they're they have a way to do it. Which would just
solve all of this. And I think the certificate part. Yeah, I
understand being sovereign, but holy crap. It's really
complicated to install a cert both server and you have to
install it on every machine you're using on every browser.
Takes a bit.
Dave Jones: I don't know. My dirty secret is just is that SSL
is just the most confusing thing in the world to me. TLS I don't,
it's like yeah, I understand the raw concepts. But when it comes
to actually pushing things out into different places, I mean,
there's if you ever read the man page on open SSL command, you
mean the felt Oman page, the man page there's Shota. Like it's
horrible. It's worse than ffmpeg i mean, like that nobody
understands these these options. Holy crap.
Adam Curry: Go Podcast.
Unknown: 20 is Blaze only Impala
Adam Curry: we just we just got a 450,000 sat boost from Martin
on the new pod friend to lit app. Oh, whoa. Whoa. So it's
alright show's over. Read the good board meeting everybody.
We'll see you next week.
Dave Jones: So So pod friend 2.0. Does lists functional it's
like it as as as the Empire would say this is this
battleship is fully operation. I wonder
Adam Curry: if that was a fat finger there. You sure you meant
to send that mark? We're not going
Dave Jones: back more. Yeah. Oh, It's no refunds
Adam Curry: no Holy crap, man. Thank you so much, Martin. Well,
then he boosted earlier. He said to first lit, lit boost from pod
friend like, Oh, that's pretty cool. He's got these got that
working for pod friend, you know it hasn't been released yet but
you know, he's been teasing us with it. And, and you know and I
saw I posted a I gave a little screenshot a receive, it's like
oh I feel douchey now that I only sent 10 Sad. So I'm like,
Well, I didn't say it but you know you didn't say it out loud.
Wow, thank you very much, Martin. That's that really tells
Dave Jones: you that V for V is working in pod friend twit. 2.0.
And alive is both they're both working.
Adam Curry: He says in the chat here. I did mean to send it
funny enough was supposed to have a message attached. So I
think the beta test failed do to go do it again. We are live of
course, live and in person, the live item tag is activated. This
is something that is becoming very popular. I mean, all the
apps are integrating it. Currently we have pod for pod
verse curio caster, podcast guru podcast addict, I understand
that. Fountain fountain is in beta on iOS and Android and soon
we'll have pod friend version two. This is very exciting.
Especially because there's a lot the podcast industrial complex
is creeping me out. And I and I, and I have good reason to say,
Well, I mean, it's it's an I know I'm sure this was I don't
know, it's I don't think this was intentional. But I'm
listening to pod news, weekly review. And by the way, thank
you, James for wishing me well, with my with my health issues
all as well. All is good. And Sam's doing an interview with
Sharon Taylor, the SVP podcast strategy at Triton digital. I
don't know much about Triton. But I think they do a lot with
radio stations. And they were talking about radio podcasting
and radio stations. And Sam brings up the lit tag. And it's
not so much the lit tag as to what she said and what he
affirmed. That kind of threw me off. Here's a clip. And it's
Unknown: like, fundamentally the radio station telling you your
shows now live now. If you've come across that at
Dave Jones: all, no, I haven't. No. So we're familiar with the
namespace project, although they've stopped calling it that
now. And it's ESP Thank you. Yes, that's what No, that's
Adam Curry: not right. That's not in fact, it's borderline
insulting.
Dave Jones: We know these are two different things, the port,
the podcasting 2.0, the namespace in the podcast, Anders
project are not related.
Adam Curry: And now I need to question what is going on with
the podcast Standards Project. I mean, this thing seems to be
stuck in second gear. Like somebody shifts that thing into
three or four, because you look at the website, and nothing has
changed. It's still the initial and we tried to we're still
giving them 5% of our of our booths to help fund their
initiatives. I don't see anything moving with this thing.
And so this is where I got creeped out, because I went to
pod standards.org And I go under blogging news. And so I see the
same initial post from Justin Jackson, founder of transistor.
And then all sudden I realized what creeped me out to title is
what is open podcasting. And why does it matter? You know what,
no, no, no, no, by keep hearing this EP was great because we are
podcasting. All the rest is closed podcasting. We're not
open. We're podcasting. We were here before anybody else. You
don't get to come in and say open podcasting. The minds will
say hey, we're douche losers, no. Closed. Pasc podcasting is
what the podcast industrial complex does. So I'm
fundamentally against this now, not against the pod Standards
Project. But unless they don't do anything. But no, we are
podcasting wherever you get your podcast, that's podcasting,
beauty, YouTube, Spotify. That's closed pod podcasting. wondery
closed podcasting. The Apple closed podcasting. Subscriptions
is all fine. Now, I'm not against subscriptions. I don't
believe in him personally, at least not in hiding something
behind a paywall. I certainly believe in subscriptions where
someone pays you on a regular basis. But thank you, I think
you saw you put Otto into the into the namespace for for the
value block. Thank you for that. I'd love I'd love for someone to
implement that because you Um, you know, there's a lot of
podcasts I'd like to support. By the way, we haven't really
discussed that much, you and I had a quick back and forth about
it, the auto subscription, or timed payment, I'm not quite
sure what a better word explanation is. He's kind of
critical for the whole value for value concept, which has never
really been discussed or explained. But using no agenda
as an example, we of course have down days. We have down months.
In fact, these past two months have been pretty down mainly
because of tax time. That's when people get oh, yeah, now we will
have a spike when people get their refunds. And please start
giving us refunds. Tax Time, and in general, you know, it's just
that time of year just happens and we go into the summer, it's
usually a bit lower in the summer, after the school, yeah,
when people have other expenses understandable. And there's
still there'll be, you know, phenomenal, you know, spurts
when just something happens, or people something strikes a
chord, and that's true value for value. But having a, I would say
it's, it's probably about 30% of our overall income. And it takes
a while to build that up. Is is over time is from people who
send something weekly or monthly. And I would say I've
never counted it. But you know, our our subscribers are also
very near and dear to us. What are you laughing about?
Dave Jones: Just having a look.
Adam Curry: Observe Ambrose
Dave Jones: made a comment about phenomenal. Yes. I couldn't
help. Yes. He, he dragged me sorry,
Adam Curry: having someone support us with $5 a show or $5
a week or $5 a month is it's critical when you have 100 of
those. That's a big deal. So having that built in is is kind
of critical. And I'd love for developers to think about adding
that I know it's yet another thing. But remember, you're part
of we're
Dave Jones: here for yet another
Adam Curry: one more thing. Exactly. So I would like to
change the change this. And I know Todd will be on board with
it because he's probably the biggest open podcasting guy and
the hosting business we have right now. And he keeps saying
Open podcasting. Todd, we don't have to say that bro. We are
podcasting. You are there in the beginning. Everyone else is
closed podcasting.
Dave Jones: Well is the word open podcasting. On the pod
Standards Project.
Adam Curry: Yes, site. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. This should be removed for me.
Adam Curry: I mean, literally, it literally says that. That's
That's why I got triggered by it. Because you go into blogger
news. It says, What is Open podcasting? And why does it
matter? And now Now I know but no, no. What has closed
podcasting and why do we need to fight it? That should be the
title?
Dave Jones: We should do a search and replace.
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes. It's just it's just this it's just an I
know. No one meant any malice. But that is slippage, man, we
can't we can't let that happen. And besides me, I'm sorry. Who
gives a crap? Close POC. All I hear is that advertising is up.
Everything's great. Fine.
Dave Jones: Well, me. I don't know that that's the case. PRX
lays off 10% of staff. Oh, really? Yeah, just saw this
right before the show says says this is this is the this is
everybody's got their angle on things and everybody's pushing
their own version of whatever this the truth happens to be
because, you know, I mean, everybody's got their own
numbers and it's all just BS. Honestly, it's this is a PR
excellent off Timpson, their staff. Every effort was made to
avoid this scenario, including multiple cost saving measures.
That is unfortunately due to decline in podcast sponsorship
revenue filt across the industry. I mean, they look
good. They're laying off temperature, their staff because
of decline in podcast advertising. But then, you know,
you listen to somebody else, or oh, it's going great.
Adam Curry: Well, I listened to pod News Daily. I listen to it
every single day. And it sounds like CNBC headlines you know,
it's like horrible stocks are up but the markets up. It's a great
opportunity. It's up. Everything's down. That means
it's going up. I mean, you know, oh, by the way, bye bye. 30
cents. 30,000 SATs from Martin beta failed successfully. That's
right.
Dave Jones: Successful failure. Thank
Adam Curry: you very much, Martin. It's so good to have
Martin back again. And I read such a beautiful exchange
between him and Steven B of curio caster. And, and I think I
even posted about it, that they're, they get so motivated
by the group. And also I think by seeing Satoshis you know,
Satoshis don't represent me. It's not a fiat monetary value,
it's an appreciation meals like and when podcaster adds an app
into their split, or when you know, when someone is using an
app, an automatically split goes to the developer, then all in
all developers who have all kinds of different different
services and products within the ecosystem, and be one that we
were I got to kind of just pat ourselves on the back. We were
smart to do that. The splits idea was genius.
Dave Jones: Who came up with that? Was that you or me? It's
just
Adam Curry: it's us. We came up with it together.
Dave Jones: I mean, I need I need the most affirmation from
from you. So I'm gonna say that it was me. No, actually, you
know what, honestly, I think it was Paul Ito
Adam Curry: might have been it might have been, but
Dave Jones: But you should have a professional split. And then
everything we do as
Adam Curry: well, if he'll ever email me back or, you know,
answer my call. I mean, if he just disappeared, and no matter
how many times I left a voicemail, he just never
answered.
Dave Jones: The leader. No, there was this. By the way,
we've completely not even talked about, about you being the Barry
Bonds of podcasting, making the hits.
Adam Curry: But oh, what do you mean, the Barry Bonds of party?
Well,
Dave Jones: let me you're making the hits, like your batting
average is great. I mean, like you launched, you launched Joe
Martin into the Stratus. Fall Brother,
Adam Curry: how Okay, so you're jumping ahead here. But yes,
let's talk about this for a second,
Dave Jones: all the way to the top of the fountain hut is that
the fountain not 100, or whatever that is?
Adam Curry: The wavelength, that wavelength chart went to the top
of Wave lake.
Dave Jones: I mean, that that's, that was us. That was the show.
So
Adam Curry: couple things. First of all, we did this test this,
and it was you know, and I have to thank Alex gates for coming
up with the whole tag idea that time to time split. Of course,
Steven B for implementing the round robin both in sovereign
feeds as well as in cheerio caster, which really was the
only way we're able to prove the concept. So if you if you
didn't, I want to do another I want to try another test today,
if you don't mind. Because it was mind blowing how that
worked, where we played a song from Joe Martin. And at that
moment in curio caster, the only app that supports it at this
time at the present time. Every streaming value for value
payment every boost every booster gram when 95% To Joe
Martin, and um, I don't know, whatever value block Well, I
think it might have gone to his wave lake. And he woke up in the
morning and literally went would have been number one, what
happened, which I think is just it's so phenomenally beautiful.
And then after the song is over, then then the split comes back
to us. And it was, you know, I'm not trying to pick on pod news
weekly review. But we did. We did get a mention about this
with Neil, but then they interviewed people for like, 30
minutes about no playing music on podcast. We this is this is
so much bigger than a technical thing. Yeah, it's it's cool that
we had a technical implementation, where the value
switch from coming to us going majority to the artist who then
of course, could also have his own split anyway, I think he had
maybe wave lake in there and himself has been heated, he
could have put a number of different people in there. But
all of that would have worked. Presumably. It's much bigger
than that. We are now circumventing an entire industry
that's been in place for Oh goodness, 6070 years, I mean,
the performing rights organizations, the publishers
which are usually record companies. You know, there's
there's all kinds of other rats is lurking around, you know,
sound exchange, and really the people who made it completely
impossible for licensed music through ASCAP, BMI, Buma, stem
ra CSAC, all these different organizations around the world
to be played because that would you know, it's all it's a
synchronization right. It's a you know, actually, they are
making something downloadable boom, who comes to Harry Fox
agency, we cut out all of those people, all of them, all of
them, they're all cut out. And we're not in the middle either.
Dave Jones: That's the most beautiful part of it is where it
is. There's nobody in the middle now that you replace them and
there's nobody in them. There's no middle,
Adam Curry: it's going directly from people who are enjoying the
product, outstanding product to the people making that product
that and again, the app they're using gets a piece of the
action. The podcast that is playing it in this case gets a
piece of the action this is going to spark a huge
revolution. Should and I'd like to, with your permission, I'd
like to do another test but not with Joe Martin today. So we
have, of course, Steven B, who he designs electrical boxes for
living doesn't mean because I can
Dave Jones: say something like that like this. Yeah, electrical
something. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I'm sure I'm downplaying. I'm sure he does
designs for an entire building or something. But it's so hard
to connect it to the guy that has built curio casts or
sovereign feeds and Elon beats Elon beats.com, Lightning
Network beats. So this is now my homework machine. So I go to Lm
beats, I can sample all kinds of music, the only only music has
in there has medium equals music. So a lot of it's from
wavelength people who submit it to the podcast index. And this
is where I look around, I try and find some songs and I found
one, and I don't know the artists, I've not contacted
them. I'd like to see if we can get another you know another if
we can push if we can push another artists to the top of
the wavelength chart.
Dave Jones: Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, so who is going to
give me the give me the rundown. I'm picking the hit.
Adam Curry: So as you know, I'm picking the hits. I'm kind of a
poppy kind of guy. And Fridays used to be Oh, hello sync
activity. Fridays used to be FUBAR Friday daddy source codes.
I've been looking for something upbeat. I'm also looking for
something within the three minute range you know, it's like
bam, bam, thank you man. Let's get it done and over with so
again, as of last time if you want to participate in the test
you can of course listen to this on any podcast app but if you'd
like to help out listen to it on curio caster connect your get
Alby wallet so you can stream and you can boost and this is
just at random although I did vet the entire album it's rusty
gate nice little puppy tune it's called a girl like me
Unknown: so nice song man about to lose the town yes
be in a girl like
so Sorry about the bad girl not really
come on no matter where
you are in a girl like
wow
no matter where
you in a girl likes
Adam Curry: in a girl likes more time
Unknown: in a girl likes
Adam Curry: all right this was unexpected blueberry so the
minute I hit the track the chat room goes nuts blueberries like
oh my god that's my dad's band and which I don't know if it's
good or not like oh my plain old people music here. I really like
like this song, it's like, you know, has kind of that 80s Like
Blondie type feel to it.
Dave Jones: Totally. That's, that's what I was picking up to.
Adam Curry: Yeah, really. And we're not gonna be playing music
and every single podcasting 2.0 Unless you all want that. But
this is also very important for Steven B, who had a whole bunch
of things he tweaked and fixed and needed to adjust. So, and
that's what this is.
Dave Jones: This is this is scissor sharpening is what this
is fine tuning the scissors. You know that that little screw in
the middle? The overtime? Yeah, yes. This is this is adjustment.
I thought I was trying to figure out which one you were going to
play. I thought you might go Satoshis funk, but, or either,
or fudge. There was one of those.
Adam Curry: I mean, I've just, I've just gone by the Obama
year, man. I was actually Tina's in New York this week. So I was
around a little bit behind the dog. The dog is like very, is
like inconsolable. Her mom's gone to line by the door didn't
prove this morning. I'm like, why don't we go to the park. So
I went to the park at 915. It's it's not a great day. No running
around. She pooped Of course, we come back. But then I'm running
late. And I'm like, I gotta get something to eat. I haven't had
breakfast. So I dashed over to water burger to do a drive thru,
which is probably if it comes to fast food, the healthiest you
can get in Texas. And on the way there, I'm just on LM beach.
Like let me find something. Let me find something. Want to find
some. And I just I didn't want to be someone I knew. I knew I
knew. Yeah. Yeah, I guess just something that popped up. So
we've got something going on here. This n and I've got Cody
from rev FM and Courville. And he's He's been following this.
And he's like, holy crap I want in on this. And so he's now
actively recruiting bands. He knows. I mean, he's been in rock
music business for a long time. And he's getting people on wave
Lake and getting them to submit to the index. So he's gonna
start a show, then. Oh, sweet. Yeah. I mean, he's a music he
does the morning show on Rev. FM. The Rock of Texas. Is rock.
Nice. Yeah. So you know this, we got something going on here.
It's something's happening. I'm very, very excited.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, let's, let's let's throw let's throw a
debate in here. We're not debate that I don't. It's so that
Daniel brought up that
Adam Curry: namespace? I saw this. Yes.
Dave Jones: Yes. The, let me sort of
Adam Curry: explain what he what he's saying.
Dave Jones: So what he said was, you know, this, this should be
in the V for V splits for in this scenario. So this is just
Just to recap, what's happening here, so that we're all on the
same page right on a value, our value block in our feed tails
tells podcasting apps to stream set to streams, sets as boost
and streams from the app tells it to go send it back to our
nodes because our splits are in there. So then now we have
courtesy of Alex, we have this new XML tag, value times value
time split. And so the idea here is that you have a you put that
we're going to put this split tag into our value block that
says, For this time for that for a start at the start time of X
minutes and x seconds, begin sending value block infant
begins sending sets not to us not to our splits, but forklift,
this split from another feed into into here and send it to
send it to those splits for this duration, and then revert back
to our split,
Adam Curry: especially like just switching wallets for the
duration of the song
Dave Jones: is much easier explanation Thank you. So that's
that's
Adam Curry: when the the inheritance of any splits. So if
your wallet has actually three wallets of the band members,
that that carries through, so it's not just one it can be
three payments, whatever you set up in your splits.
Dave Jones: And that's the that's the key part of this is
that the win so the way this works is through the value time
split references a remote item. And the remote item is is a is a
pointer to another feed. So the the the app sees that goes out
grabs the value block in its entirety, all this splits from
that other feed, pulls it in and uses it and then lets it go.
Right and so like he like you said it's if the entire blog is
not just one person or one split. So
Adam Curry: in this case wave Lake, I think they they they
there was a split between the artist and wave. I didn't know
if they could manage splits on weight on the wave Lake
platform. Are you aware?
Dave Jones: I don't know if they have that yet. I don't remember
what I said.
Adam Curry: But I think I'm pretty sure that there is there
is one split. Well, if in fact, I can take a look. Because of
course, I put girl like me in the show notes and continue
while I'm looking that up.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So that. So that's what's happening. So then
they Daniel brought up on the on the podcast index social that
well, this should be in the chapters, because this is
inherent in understand his thinking there. This is an
inherently time based operation. So it makes me it makes the most
sense to put it in the chapters. And understand the thinking but
it that's not that's not the right way to think about it. Why
is he thinking that? Well, because it's a time it's a time
sensitive operation. And so the chapters already have,
Adam Curry: it's not what translators are, as well, our
transcripts also time sensitive.
Dave Jones: Yeah, but transcripts. So chapters is a is
inherently a way to delineate things based on time. Whereas
transcripts are just time as a property of the transcript. Got
it? So like, you know, he understand his thinking is, why
don't we've already got this thing here.
Adam Curry: Something already working, why don't we just add
to it?
Dave Jones: Or something already specified? Yeah, the in this
this thing, that's what it does the chat. The chapters are
inherently like a clock that's ticking on the podcast where
certain events happen. And so I understand that the this, I
think the I think the problem here is twofold. When you have a
thing that is critical to the to the podcast. So for instance,
something like, let's just say the enclosure, the enclosure
itself, you don't put that in a separate file, there's a certain
set of elements that are critical to the functionality of
the podcast, make it work. And they're not like, sort of add on
Extras, and monitor anything to do with monetizing, or that that
should be considered critical to the functionality of the show of
the podcast. So that stuff needs to be in the XML in
Adam Curry: the feed itself. Yeah, I got you there. I gotcha.
Two
Dave Jones: for two reasons. One, because it makes it more
reliable. It's an to because not every everybody that lots of
people have already said we're not going to do chapters. I
mean, there's been hosting companies that have said, we're
not doing that.
Adam Curry: Well, they, they they literally can't because
they've already committed to it dynamic or dynamic ad insertion
and either don't have control of it or don't don't want to re
recode or refactor for it. So there just isn't. Well, that's
because they're close podcasting.
Dave Jones: Because they, they've tied themselves. I'm
such a big, well, you tie yourself to dynamic ad insertion
in this. That's what did you say dynamic
Adam Curry: ad insertion? I'm sure I heard you say that.
Dave Jones: That's exactly. Because that's that's garbage.
It stinks. So that's what that that's what if you. So those are
those are those two reasons. But then there's an even another
reason to do this because or not not to put it in chapters is
there's already there's already these these tags, and everything
already exists in order to reference these things. And we
need to extend that. These are the we we've got these building
blocks, we're going to put these things together. I think this
stuff, the devalue block information can exist in the
chapters. I'm not. I think that's fine as an add on. And I
think that will come eventually in time, we can stick that stuff
in there. But the base layer reliable stuff needs to be in
the feed.
Adam Curry: Also, implementation matters. You know, this first
implementation has been done. Yeah. So do we need to go and
change it? If it's something that's working and all the bugs
are being hashed out as we speak? I mean, you know, to me,
it doesn't matter at all because I didn't I wasn't even sure if
he was using Alex Gates's idea or not. I had no idea how he did
it. Because you know, he's done the whole round robin. I mean,
he could be doing in a number of ways. I have no idea of which
and I guess he did, which is why I need to thank Alex for writing
that up.
Dave Jones: Well, it takes advantage of room mode item and
remote item is going to become a critical piece to everything.
That's why right hard for it on broad roll right elements,
right? Because it's it's a it's a, it's a puzzle piece. Yeah,
it's like a Lego you stick this it has one job, its job is to
point to a section of it to point to another feed, or
another episode in another feed. And so once you have that you
can mix and match and plug it in anywhere and it can be plugged
in as a as a like, like it isn't value time split, where it's a
child of the value time split, or it could be plugged in as a
parent of another item like a sound bite. So you can say okay,
sound, here's a remote item in there's a child of the remote
item called sound sound bite that tells the that tells the
app, go to this other feed, grab this episode and then only play
this portion of it.
Adam Curry: So this so this actually uses remote item. Or
just the concept of remote item,
Dave Jones: it uses remote item because it's a value time split
with a remote item specifier in it. That's how the app knows
where to go and pick up the other valuable
Adam Curry: for for musicians, artists, bands, etc. in the show
notes for this show 132 links to the music side project studio,
which allows you to create your own splits and your own system,
as well as a video which is called Music side project
studio. The Game Changer every independent musician needs to
know shows exactly how to do it. So that's an apt link to Lm
beats and and all that and if you're listening to this on a
different app, go ahead and just switch to curio caster and
listen to that song and send a boost to Graham so you can let
rusty gate know that that they were a part of yet again, part
of history in the making.
Dave Jones: Now is resti gate the name of the band or a dude
in the band?
Adam Curry: As far as I know, it's it's the name of the band.
Okay, gotcha. Yeah, they also had a psychedelic mix of this
song, but there's too psychedelic for me.
Dave Jones: It's not Poppy.
Adam Curry: No, you know me. I like Poppy. Man, I'd like it to
be Poppy. So since we're talking about this, should we should we
go into.
Unknown: And now it's time for some hot namespace talks.
Adam Curry: Since you know, phase six is upon us. And
there's stuff to be discussed and you're active in the GitHub
doing all kinds of stuff. I think we need to bring people up
to speed on what's what's going on.
Dave Jones: Yeah, we did. We did part of it just there. That's
remote and remote island that's written that's written up. I do.
I gotta add another aspect to it, which is sort of, it's
written up as, as a child in its in its sort of child
functionality. But I need to also write up this sort of
parent part of it, where it can hold other elements, like we
discussed. So because it's like a dual use tag. It's very
Adam Curry: exciting. I didn't quite understand it. Now that
now that you know, you've put this into context for me, it
sounds like this could be a core element of, of the namespace,
sometimes incorrectly called the pod Standards Project.
Dave Jones: Didn't we change the name? Didn't we change the name
from the names podcast namespace to plus standard project?
Adam Curry: I guess I'm not.
Dave Jones: Pod pod roll. We've got we've got that defined in
there waiting on a little bit more feedback. But
Adam Curry: what now that's controversial. Because there was
lots of I kind of fell out of the back and forth after message
1000. What is everyone happy now was with where we're at with POD
roll, because it was supposed to be really simple and beautiful.
And then people can jam and stuff in and then we got angry.
And we're back and forth. And I don't know if it was really
anger. I mean, it depends on the context of reading it. But you
know, like this, and so, what's where we have
Dave Jones: so I think we're good. I mean, I have not I have
not seen any any negative feedback yet. Kevin was messing
around and being given me a hard time, but I think so his issue
mainly just felt just fell down to the to simplicity. He's like,
I just want this to be a simple tag. I don't want to
overcomplicate it, and I think we're there like he initially
had podcast colon pod pod roll, as a comma separated list of
goods feed goo. Which, which works except it was a couple of
things if there's a couple of ways it can fall down so remote,
we have remote item. And so that needs all that can just exist in
there as as a good reference like it there's really it adds
It adds zero complexity, because it's still just a GUID
reference. But it makes the aggregation so much easier.
Because if you're aggregating XML, you can just let the parser
do all the work. If it's if it's an XML element, if it's not, you
have to extract the value and then do a comma, and then do a
comma. explode on it. So like you don't have like, yeah, I
don't know. It's just it's, it makes the code a lot more
straightforward for me for an aggregator. So that's, that's
good. That's what you want. You're already parsing XML
anyway, just keep going. But the other thing is, if we use as
long if we use remote item, we get this other benefit. And this
this is a real issue that we need to we need to face. Yes, Gu
IDs are awesome. And yes, Gu ID Gu IDs are the way of the
future. But there's going to be some apps that don't have
Adam Curry: good resolving capability. Yes.
Dave Jones: Like, there's going to be some apps that are
actually somatic specifically, they don't have a back end, and
I don't want these, here's the thing I don't want, I don't want
Google to rely on us, I don't want to be the go, everybody has
to go to COVID I don't want to be the good central repository
for the universe, like we, the whole idea here is that
everybody can see it. So everybody builds their own list
like that it's there. So as part of remote item, we also have a
feed your that you have a feed good attribute, and you also
have a feed URL attribute. So the pod role, or whatever else
uses remote out m can use the GU ID or the URL, the specification
says use both. So that's the you have this URL attribute
capability that you can have as a fallback for those apps that
are kneecapped. And I think I think it's important
Adam Curry: is so what that seems like that stands apart
from everybody from where goods are located. Who is there? So
you're saying two different things. One, you want to make
sure that all apps can use this functionality or or have a
fallback to you don't want to be the central repository for good
who then and why not? Who then should be the central
repository? Yeah. How do you how do you handle that? Well, there
Dave Jones: isn't, that's the whole concept of guid is that
there is never a central repository, the feed itself
declares it to go it's good value. And so everybody has act
everybody can read it. Think about cast ematic or antenna pod
that don't have that don't have any sort of server back end.
They You make
Adam Curry: it sound like they're like they're poor
orphans or something. You know, it's like Little Orphan Annie.
Think of the poor children who don't have any parents.
Dave Jones: It's just Franco sitting in his living room with
an iMac and a Mac Dog Tick. That there's there's so an app like
that. They they don't even know they would have to pull somebody
like us, which is fine. They can if they want to. I don't have a
problem with it. But they, they shouldn't have to. Okay, do you
see what I'm saying?
Adam Curry: Oh, no, I'm all for true decentralization.
Obviously, yes, no, and being less of the center of the
universe as possible. So if you
Dave Jones: work if you if you have both in the spec and you
require both you say, Okay, you you need to use a feed you ID
and a feed URL when the app sees that they can say Oh, I know who
it is. And I know exactly what this is I'll use this because
it's because it's reliable. Or lets me differentiate and that
kind of thing. Or if if it's cast ematic or antenna pod and
they see this or like I'm I'm hamstrung here because I'm just
a single app and all I have in my library is 25 podcasts I
don't know these goods I don't know what these are. So I need I
need a URL is way more is way easier for me. So you don't get
the benefit of good which is tracks changes over time because
eventually that is possible that URL may be wrong if the feed
news then the goo it is your is your authority
Adam Curry: or if someone just decides they want to change
their good that that it's a no no but that could happen right?
Dave Jones: It could that's those people shouldn't be
showered on yes yes at dawn Yes. Does anybody shooting by a night
is always always I think it's
Adam Curry: always a dawn like to get your day started you
know, if you're on the firing squad, it's like hey, whatever
call what's your what's your Friday like? I'm gonna shoot
somebody and then you go go I'll say something Yeah.
Dave Jones: So that's the GUID is that should be authoritative
but URL for fallback.
Adam Curry: Okay. All right. That sounds good solved.
Dave Jones: He just said I changed my good ones and Dave
gets so mad at me
Adam Curry: it's not I had a job for a while they're carrying the
keeper somehow how to duplicate good of I think podcasting 2.0
and John Spurlock spotted it he said that's a no no. Yeah, it
isn't no no look for that. But well, shot at dawn shot at dawn
right. Before discuss golf. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So that's that's that we also put in a
couple of couple of T O V attributes that blipped in.
Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Yes. This is for the Hold on one second
day. We got to do a little
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you provide. There's more where this came from. If anyone has a
photo of Sergio been on a recumbent bike of random. I
don't know what he's doing. But I have we we break
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Adam Curry: The way that fountain when you do a baller
boosts you get a little icon that says baller boost. Oh, is
it like a badge? Yeah, but like next to the boost amount. It has
little, little little Yeah, little icon little badge baller
boost.
Dave Jones: I'm such a sucker for that kind of stuff. Badge.
Adam Curry: I love that. It's very cool. Great.
Dave Jones: It's such a gamification. But I get I get I
love it. I get sucked in. Overtime. Oh, yeah. The Blip 10?
Adam Curry: Yes. Is it for this is for replies and other things.
Dave Jones: Yeah. So it got spotted after last week's
episode with the with the with the scissors. Yeah. That I think
it was Joe Morton. I think he I think he
Adam Curry: bring it on? Well, this is for attribution. Right.
This was for attribution. Right.
Dave Jones: I can't remember the etiology of how this happened.
But remote this the the, I think Joe said, How do I know where
these came from? How do I know? How do I know if
Adam Curry: it's just stop you that is really interesting.
Because I had the exact same thing as I'm looking at the at
heli pad. And I'm seeing by the way before I forget, for some
reason, when you install heli pad on Umbral, you get two icons
on the desktop, I have no idea why something's weird. They both
do the same thing. But you get two icons, just a bug. I've been
meaning to mention this to you for months. I blame Umbral. Oh,
totally. So, so I'm looking at the helipad. I'm like, oh, so
hopefully I'll see the what I was expecting to see. And I
don't know. I mean, I know why. But technically, what was I
thinking? Well, I was hoping to see was, all of a sudden, I
would be getting 5% but seeing the total amount of booths going
to Joe Martin. And of course, that never happened. So for me,
I also wanted the satisfaction of seeing a basically being in
his split, if that makes any sense.
Dave Jones: I don't under Can you explain it to me more?
Adam Curry: Yeah, like a human. Okay, so. So, I'm watching
helipad, I'm seeing the boost for podcasting. 2.0 Come in. I'm
seeing some booster grabs. Right and what I was expecting at a
certain point was to see people boosting for Joe Martin and then
on my heli pad me seeing attribution to Joe Martin. I II,
love your song, Joe, and we'll say Joe Martin, and I'd see the
whole boost amount but I'd be getting you'll still be getting
the 5% or whatever, to our feed. Does that make sense? Okay,
Dave Jones: yeah, I've initially I thought you're talking about
the original set value for numerology, but you're you're
talking about the actual metadata of the of Joe's feed.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, yeah, so just like it says, you know,
on on a boosted gram here, it's says, meow. Darren. Oh,
podcasting. 2.0 Episode 132 Live may 12. So what I would expect
to see is Joe Martin. Was it against gravity? High Ground
against gravity, moon landing, high gravity, and then from who
it was from, and the full boost amount knowing that I'm only
getting a percentage of that, but that I'd like to see the
message. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because for me, that makes
that makes me super happy to see that. Like, oh my god, people
liked his song. You know, I picked another winner. Now
that's what that's what I want to see.
Dave Jones: Okay, yeah I get that so if I think we can do
that with this so we have it would take it would take a call
it's not going to be it's not going to be in the to V itself
because that's we're really pushing the limits of how much
data we can stuff in here. But but it's that but the ability to
get it is there so you can have these two values or remote feed
guid yeah Steven remote item do it yeah, I
Adam Curry: get it So again, here's the remote remote item
becomes our foundational are our Rosetta Stone.
Dave Jones: The Rosetta Stone is the Rosetta Stone that yeah,
that pieces of this stuff together. Because that now hello
pad knows which feed was being referenced. Yes. And where the
where this foreign alien value blog came from? Yeah. And it can
so it can go get it?
Adam Curry: Can I just say I'm, I'm so excited about this stuff.
I'm really all jacked about it. I love this.
Dave Jones: Yeah, me too. I just I want once we so there's one
cautionary tale here.
Adam Curry: Are you going to rain on my parade? Oh,
Dave Jones: no, not another night. Developers? Okay, so just
be understand that these the net some of the names or some of
this stuff, it might change like I just I just made it don't you
don't have to hold off on scissors. I mean, go ahead, but
like things like remote feed guid remote item good. It's it's
possible. That's a confusing name. So it's there's a lot of
the terminal there's a lot of the word remote going on here.
Right. And this This could get because in in actuality, what
remote PHY do it and remote item good in the TLV are referring to
its remote from Joe Joe Martin's feed perspective.
Adam Curry: Right, right. Even though it would be originating
that in that case,
Dave Jones: right because this is this is meant the remote feed
do it in the remote item good are meant for Joe's feed to know
where where the source of the boost came from. Right. And so
his fee his his lb wallet would be getting boosts. And his Albea
wallet would then need to reference remote feed guid and
remote item good to know where oh, this came from the podcasts
in 2.0. Podcast they included. So it's like, from our
perspective remote items specifies him as the remote from
his perspective. Remote PHY good remote item good specifies us as
the remote, which is sort of confused. Yeah. It should
probably honestly be sourced the GUID and source item guid or
something along those lines. So I guess what I'm saying what the
warning is? Like, if you jump on this stuff, as soon as it gets
as soon as it hits the GitHub without it being declared as
quote formalized.
Adam Curry: You could wind up changing your code later.
Dave Jones: Yes, yes. Not the end of the world. I mean, these
are just names of things, but just something to be aware of.
Yeah, it's just I'm not I'm not. Not you know, I'm not a big
naming guy. But, but there is a lot of, there's a lot of overlap
here that could get confusing. So I just want to make sure that
we understand what, like we may need to change this. As matter
of fact, I think we should just go ahead and change the name of
remote PHY good. In remote, I'm good. Something else I will let
everybody else determine what that should be. But I think
everybody sees the issue.
Adam Curry: I just remembered I think you're right, it was Joe
each boy who had the whole concept Paul each boy have on
Joe. But the whole concept of splits and the new and I
remember I was talking I'm gonna remember I was in the car, I
think talking to you about it. For some reason I was in my car.
And, and we said, Ma'am, would it be cool if we could have
everybody part of the value flow? Yeah. Because Because
initially, we were like, Hey, how do we get like a voluntary
fee to the index? We literally had or the the initial thing
was, oh, but I'm gonna have we'll have one channel from the
index that goes to our like, node in front of it. And that
node will pick up a percent every single time someone said
something that was like the initial thinking. And then we
said no, no, this is inefficient. And then that's
where that so it's, Thank you, Paul. E toi.
Dave Jones: Yeah, he that Paul and Evan things Evan, Evan Dade,
they have they had a lot to do with it. So phase A phase six
has a pull request. I'm just I'm piling everything into a pull
request. That will pull the trigger on when phase six So
what will happen is June 1 is the cutoff date for phase six.
That's when everything will pause. So everything will stop.
And then we'll just do a review and see where we're at and see
if anything needs to be tweaked. Still on, let me look at this
face six list here. We're still on pace. We've got remote item,
we've got pod roll list mediums, those are going to go in there
this weekend. update frequency from Nathan gathright. That
shouldn't be, that should not be a problem. It's pretty
straightforward. Except guests. Okay. Except that the, the has
guests or accepts gifts. This is This is
Adam Curry: so funny to me. Because why? Okay, because one
of the reasons for getting rid of email addresses in fields and
moving to the kind of non existent TX T field was to stop
people from emailing podcasters. And honestly, of all the spam I
get, and I like it, I like spam. I've just filtered to another
bucket a bucket. I look at it from time to time, I would say
70% is here's a great guest I have for your show. So we took
all that out. And now we have a we're putting in a tags like
yeah, if you want to promote your guests to my show, I take
guests. And then what how do you contact the person now? I don't
know. This whole thing is just weird to me. It's like we're
building a spam filter with the namespaces guesses what?
Dave Jones: filth that I think except guests. feels to me like
it should be just a. Okay, let's let's let's rewind back in time.
Do you remember when I had this proposal for something? I think
I called it like state or status or something like that is a
terrible name. But it was like the idea there was that you
would have like sort of flight flags?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Either. It was a free account. That could be a
piece of crap. It was a paid PopCap paid account? Something
like that. Yeah,
Dave Jones: yeah. Yeah. Bingo. Exactly. And so like, you would
have this comma separated or some list of, of tags? And you
say, Okay, well, it's almost like a bit was, like a bit was
value in in code where you have this list of, we have this
eight, eight bit, you have an integer array, excuse me, I have
a byte. And you can depending on what the position of which bits
are 01 It means what does this function get? I want to tell it
to do this or that or this or that? Well, like, it's the same
thing here. So I will, if there's this tag, let's just
call it, let's call it podcast, colon flags. If it's flagged as
trial feed, and it means it's a it's a free account, blah, blah,
blah. It seems like except guests should be just another
flag in in some tag like that instead of a tag.
Adam Curry: Tag. Yeah, that sounds makes sense, right?
Dave Jones: Because it's all it is, is it? Yes, no. Now people
actually
Adam Curry: using the block tag at all our hosts have hosts
implemented this. Because, you know, we got as I was triaging
our incoming support emails, someone, it's funny, because I
can hear the tone, at least in my head, like, I don't want to
be on your platform at all. Get it all off, take it away.
Dave Jones: That's exactly, that's the voice I hear. That's
what I heard.
Adam Curry: And it's, you know, Buzzsprout says, I gotta talk to
you. And, like, okay, I can take it all off. But unless
Buzzsprout puts a block tag in there, you were going to ingest
it again, when you hit the pod ping or something else or
someone else to submit it. So we're gonna go through this over
and over again, I was wondering if we knew if they can, I said,
please ask them to put the block in block tag in. I don't even
know if they can or if they've implemented that.
Dave Jones: No, I don't. That port is not. You don't have to
worry about that. Because when I when I go feed in the index, I
just I just, I just flag it.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. So I can say, yeah, yeah, we'll block it.
But don't you dare come back.
Dave Jones: This, have you noticed? There's a lot now. You
tell me I'm wrong. But there's a lot more people that it seems
like there's a lot more people bailing out and saying, hey, I
want you to delete my podcast.
Adam Curry: Yeah, they've already set up deleted my feed
over here. I've deleted everything. They have, in fact,
deleted their feed, and it's just kind of cached on man. I
wish I could take some of that away. From you, because it'd be
so easy for me to just, you know, hit a couple of buttons
and nuke something I would need nuke and refresh is basically
the only two things I need.
Dave Jones: I've got a lot, you know, you've got the short list
of things I have to do. And then the longer list of things I
need, you know that I need slash want to do. Okay, the half to
list is, is got some real important things on it. But the
longer list that is one of them, I'm going to give you a
management portal,
Adam Curry: a management portal. Oh, I
Dave Jones: like it. You liked the sound of this? Yeah, I do.
And admin portal,
Adam Curry: bug management portal?
Dave Jones: Dashboard. Yeah. So that's, that's on the list. And
I think ideally, it would be more than just you, you know,
like we would give it to the trusted people. Yes.
Adam Curry: Ideally, ideally, you're not doing any work, and
I'm not doing any work. That's ideal.
Dave Jones: That's the best of all worlds.
Adam Curry: That's the ideal scenario. But no, okay. Yeah,
I'm just trying to help brother just thrown up to help things.
Dave Jones: That I think is the only there's a couple more tags
that a pod ping tag and a couple more things like a tracker
tight. There's a couple more things. There's two of them that
is that one that one that Alex needs? Or one or two that Alex
needs to make the peer tube stuff work?
Adam Curry: Really close, right? He said he's very close to
having peer feeds with every value block everything all in?
Dave Jones: Yeah, yep. Yep, yep. Yep, yep, yep. Yep, yep. And
then the, the chat tag, I think we can boot that to face seven.
Just to make sure that we're not getting too much on our plate
here. And we got to
Adam Curry: be able to be need to be able to start up the
actual chat.
Dave Jones: Before. That's a big. Yeah. Thanks for Thanks for
Nika.
Adam Curry: Well, not Well, hold on a sec. Let me just think
about this for a moment, because we have all these lit podcast
apps firing up now, which is, and I'm pretty sure one or two
of them are going to want to offer some kind of stream to
podcasters some kind of service, or at least something. So we may
see more podcasts going lit. So it's, it's kind of a missing
piece. It's okay, where do they implement their chat?
Dave Jones: So the idea here, that yeah, the idea here is that
the way this is gonna work initially, I mean, I'm gonna get
something out the door. That that just works as as a web
based chat first, and then we'll pull the other pieces in. So the
idea here, and this is the part I haven't finished yet for us.
And why I forgot to do the chat at the beginning of the show,
was because what the way that should function is that when you
push the live pod ping notification through the Steven
beach magic web should fire up the chat automatically should
spin up a new chat,
Adam Curry: beautify, and it will
Dave Jones: know how to end tag it will stop it.
Adam Curry: Right, but it's it so but but sovereign feeds are
your feed needs to know what the URL is of that chat. So is that
predetermined?
Dave Jones: Well, me whelming. It all happens that the feed
comes through the web. And the feed says this is what it should
be. It sticks it in there. Oh, sexy. You should shove it in
there.
Adam Curry: My wife's not here to tell us
Dave Jones: after school specials.
Adam Curry: Yes, it is. Cool.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Does that mean I think we're I think we're
Adam Curry: doing good. I'm very excited about this next about
phase six. There's a lot of cool stuff in there.
Dave Jones: In a pod Pain Tag, too. There's there's a popping
tag. Brian's been needing that.
Adam Curry: Oh, what's the what's the pod pink tag?
Dave Jones: Just it's the it just tells the world whether or
not this face is, is
Adam Curry: Oh, support. Okay, got it. Got it. Yeah, cool.
Dave Jones: No way, you know, it gives you a clue as to how to
how to aggregate it. How to hit it. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So if
there's any, but I guess it's four. So feedback would be
helpful on except guests if we can kind of come to a decision
or if we want to have that it's just a flag of a of a flags tag.
And then update frequency, if anybody has any more input on
that. That was pretty straightforward. And I think
other than that, I think we're in pretty good shape when it
comes to coming up on June one.
Adam Curry: How are we in three are we in year three? Are we
close to three years? August feels? Yeah. Wow, man, what a
great project. So much Fun. No, I love this. So much fun. I'm
not making any money. It's great. Sure,
Dave Jones: yeah. I mean, I'm trying to we're we're about to
make less money because I get to upgrade the database I tried
last weekend but failed.
Adam Curry: Oh, what do you mean you failed just for the upgrade
didn't work.
Dave Jones: I mean, I was, I was mostly getting my bearings
straight. I thought, am I getting an easy win now? Not so
much.
Adam Curry: No shortcuts? No. database development.
Dave Jones: So the way I did it before was like, you know, it's
like Indiana Jones with the he's trying to steal the golden
thing. And he has to have the bag of sands because he you
know, he's had to like, replace it swiftly. Oh, yeah. So the
weight TAS aren't Yeah, so the weight stays. That's basically
what's one trying to do with the database.
Adam Curry: And the database went, Hey, man, that sand? No,
yes. Like,
Dave Jones: no, it's like if you man, you're not doing this.
Adam Curry: I feel sorry. No, I was gonna say I was gonna switch
topics and say how I think you and I both feel a little bit
dirty.
Dave Jones: Do I Do I feel dirty?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Because because of our light phone,
podcast action.
Dave Jones: Yeah, you wanna you want to do you want to go down
the LifeFone trail here
Adam Curry: a moment? You know, Dave and I both decided what was
that last week? Just a week ago.
Dave Jones: Two weeks ago, I got mine Monday of this week.
Adam Curry: I got mine on Saturday for some reason. We
both ordered a light phone too. And the whole idea is to not be
taken the smartphone everywhere. And this white phone to that
it's the funniest product. I mean, it's chicks dig it man,
you put this on the table in a restaurant people like what is
that? Is that a Palm Pilot which kind of doesn't wreck kind of
resembles a palm pilot. And it does some very simple things.
Phone calls, text messages, alarm calendar notes, which
includes the voice recording dictation, I love that. Music
podcast, hotspot calculator, and directions which is surprisingly
good. And it has a kind of like a Kindle screen E Ink screen.
And I have to say I'm really enjoying it. I take it
everywhere on this podcast. I take it everywhere when I'm out
of the house and I leave the graph you know is kind of it's
in the holder. And and I've got computers everywhere. So the
only other like instant thing people might need me for would
be signal which I have on the computer. That's it and then you
know, email and you know and texting it has a voice to text
option which is phenomenally good, even though it gives you
an onscreen QWERTY keyboard. And I don't know where this where
this voice to text is being done. I'm sure it's not on the
device itself.
Dave Jones: I can tell you it is the talk to text on this thing
is better than an iPhone. It is outrageous.
Adam Curry: Although it does a lot of periods when I'm not
expecting it to. I'm used
Dave Jones: to say that's the thing I'm having to get used to
is I like on the iPhone when I talk to text I have to you have
to say like period.
Adam Curry: Exclamation mark. No, no, that's not what I meant.
Yeah, it actually go. Boy, this is really cool. Then it'll add
an exclamation mark.
Dave Jones: Or if I say hey, are you using the light phone today?
It'll like hear your tone or something. But you have no
question mark.
Adam Curry: I have to exaggerate. Are you using the
light phone today? You know, yeah, yeah. I find a lot of
backspacing and adding that in? And
Dave Jones: I mean, tell me Yeah, give me your Give me your
journey this week has
Adam Curry: like, um, was it's been surprisingly good. It turns
out I do a lot more text, SMS text messaging with people. I'm
already a green bubble on everybody's phone. So they know
I'm a loser. I'm the I'm not an iPhone guy. And so there was not
much of a switch. This thing will show you the emojis of man.
People use a lot of emojis. So it shows you the emojis you
can't do emojis back so I'm just bringing making emoticons cool
again. And be like, Wow, that's cool. You sent me a homer
simpson which I'm like, I immediately sent that to my
boys. Look at this. Do that do that with your emoji sucker. And
it does group text really well. So that's an ad but my whole
life has changed. Because I'm walking the dog now I'd always
have my phone with me. And if someone sent me a text I'd look
at it and then I'd go oh, what's the price of Bitcoin? What's the
emails and then you know the dogs look at me like I take a
ship man. What are you doing? Like stop that. Now the only the
podcast player it has on there which you manage from a
dashboard, a website, which is clearly not looking up the puck
has index of sadly because, well, we can add a URL feed. So
I feel dirty because I was listening to mere mortals. And I
was outside and I was in the car and I was listening on this
thing. And I know I'm not streaming any any SATs, and this
is where I felt I felt bad. So I came. So I came back, I
immediately sent 77 777 to Cochran. I listened to the whole
interview, so I don't know what I owe you. But here it is. And
that's the only thing that I don't feel good about. But
otherwise, I kind of love you and I have less contact even. We
do, which is okay, I guess.
Dave Jones: It's Well, the thing is, it's funny, so many. My
coworker asked me days, how's the light phone thing doing in
my son, my son the other day? He's like, what is that? As is
my new phone? He's like, why did you do that? Yeah. I was like,
wrong with you. Yeah, exactly. So I was I would tell my co
workers, like, you know, you really can't. It's not you can't
do this is not like a is this phone good? Type answer. Because
you're not when you buy this phone. You're not buying just a
phone you're buying. You're having, you're choosing a
lifestyle. Correct. It's more is way more involved than just a
phone because, man, the smartphone addiction.
Adam Curry: It's, it's subtle, and it's real. It is. It is so
real. You almost had 100% I heard it.
Dave Jones: Do you see how
Adam Curry: it's very, very, very proud of you, Dave Jones,
yes, good.
Dave Jones: The, the the sort of the subtlety of it is what gets
you so I gotta I gotta I got a couple of examples, if you will
indulge me
Adam Curry: Oh, no, of course, because I meant to say one
thing. What, what I noticed is you go out to dinner with a
couple people, we have friends we go out to dinner. And that a
certain point, you notice everyone's on their phone, you
but you're looking at it because you got nothing to look at. And
that's when it becomes Whoa, look at all this, you know. And
then you know, you can just look at them and just observe what
they're doing. It's, it gave me kind of a powerful feeling.
Dave Jones: You feel like you're in control?
Adam Curry: Yes.
Dave Jones: of yourself. So here's an example. So I went so
my routine when I get to the office every morning is I bring
a bring a thorough thermal there's not a thermos like a
Hydro Flask or whatever you call those things. Think will thermos
looking thing and bring it in and it has some milk in it. So
and then I go on and make a pot of coffee, and I fill up my
thermos with the coffee. And then I just pour coffee for
myself out of that for a while. So I look at my look at my car
insurance. We had gotten that the other day. I'm like, I'll
just I'll look at this when I get to the office. And so I'm
like, Okay, well I need to log into the portal I'm gonna car
insurance why website. So I grabbed my thermos, I go into
the break, start to hit into the break room to fix my coffee. And
instinctively or, like reach for the iPhone, because I'm like,
Okay, I'm going to check my insurance and all this stuff on
the phone as I go. While I'm waiting for the coffee to brew,
because it takes like seven or eight minutes.
Adam Curry: Instead of enjoying the process of brewing coffee.
Dave Jones: It's in a froze. It's like, my mind didn't know.
It's like this. If I can't do two things at the same time. I
didn't know what to do at all.
Adam Curry: You would feel uncomfortable. I should be doing
Yeah, I wish it Yeah, I know. I know the feeling. I'm already
past that stage. And what real quick for me.
Dave Jones: Me too. I am doing so. I was like, You know what,
Dave? That's like I snapped out of it. After about about five or
six seconds. I was like, hey, you know what, idiot you can
just go make coffee.
Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Dave Jones: So I did I just went in there and make coffee and I
don't know. I'm like I just thought about other stuff. I
don't know what I did.
Adam Curry: I mean, the we talked about kid being you know,
attention deficit disorder disabled. Adult deficit
hyperactive disorder. I mean, it's all the phones all the
phone and I just look at my phone. And what do I have here?
I've got I've got but my my car is telling me about us unlocked.
I've got the bitcoin price of God notifications on signal and
on telegram and our WhatsApp and my email. And I'm like, no, no.
And I and I yeah, I feel much much better now. I the hotspot
on the light phone is great, because i i fairly used it and I
feel like when I'm when I'm in the car and I'm driving I want
to I want to have my modern podcast app, I really do. So I
can just, but I can just throw that in this in the side of the
door and not look at it. And it's not going to do anything
else. But just play the podcast. For me, I feel this is
important. And so I use the hotspot for that. So I'll be
sending SATs. And I've advanced enough out of the addiction that
I can do that I'm not, I'm not grabbing for this thing. So I
think it's good. But it'd be great if we could just add on
the back end, you know, developers, I know it's almost
developing this thing. We just add, first of all the 2.0 index
lookup Hello. And, and you're connected to your Albea wallet
that should be possible people.
Dave Jones: Yeah, the the biggest showstopper for me, it's
not it's not a showstopper I'm in now I'm, I'm completely
bought in. But I've got there's one thing that I have got to
figure out a solution for it's the two factor authentication,
Google, I mean, like rotating code app, I have like 25 of
those in my in my two factor authentication app and right,
I've got to be like, so um, my only, the thing I can think of
right now is I'm going to have like, I'm gonna have to get a
second iPhone, like an old crap, like, you know, the whole piece
of crap when and leave it at the office, I have
Adam Curry: a vault Warden on my on my, this is on the Start
nine. So I can just use Tor and then bring that up on the
computer. And it has a two factor authentication in there.
Dave Jones: That's an idea just a code generator.
Adam Curry: Yes, does the code generator so it's not fast, it's
not like picking your phone pop up. But at least you can bring
it up, bring it up over Tor. So we know that man dash felt dash
manhood is it's got the search for it. So it's SSL secure. And
that is in fact one of the they start nine says that's just
start with slow with getting off stuff getting off of centralized
stuff. And that's a good way to go with with vault Ward and
running and use a bit warden. You literally log in through
Tor. And then you can create the codes and you can authenticate
with it. So that's a way to do it.
Dave Jones: The battery life on this thing is outrageous.
Adam Curry: Yeah. If you don't use it for anything and yeah,
but even if they do, even if you do it's surprising how long this
lasts, it really is quite long.
Dave Jones: Well, I turned on the Bluetooth and because I use
Apple air pods that turned on the Bluetooth. And the air pods
are. They do not work with this thing. Whoa, really glitchy AF
Adam Curry: because I've got I've got the cheapass beats
flex. Those work. Okay, fantastic.
Dave Jones: Okay, well, I may have to get those because they
know that the air pods are terrible
Adam Curry: and they're cheap and they're cheap. Is this a
native ad really, really see Brooklyn? Really? The fact that
we don't do advertising is the reason why we can talk
passionately about a product. She you're selling assault me?
Can I kick them out of the chat?
Dave Jones: I paid $300 for this. Yeah, really?
Adam Curry: 299 But I got the case I paid extra for the case.
Did you get the case I didn't get the case. Now. It looks like
a 3d printed thing. It wasn't worth $20 or whatever. But But I
ended up getting it and I'm someone who dropped stuff.
Dave Jones: Man, it's no it's a life changing experience it it
really is. I mean, I take a walk every day like 10 Twice a day at
10am and 3pm. I get up from my desk take a walk around around
the the office area for a while just to get stretch my legs get
some exercise. And usually I listened to a podcast while I'm
walking you just about 1015 minutes. And I just that just
didn't. Now in Elsa, you know I had a chance to think about
life. She has to think about the namespace and some of the things
we're doing. And that's one of the reasons why we get added a
lot of commits to the to the namespace repos. Yeah, you
Adam Curry: go to that I think about it. I mean, ever since I
stopped smoking in November, I mean, tobacco weed and
everything. I've been very productive myself. Life
changing. more thing we need to talk about, because it came up
on the social podcaster
Dave Jones: Oh, the nostre thing. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Which which I'm looking at it and I kind of want
to stop it in its tracks. In a way I hate stopping development.
But all I can see is RSS is old fashioned. And I just want to
save you it's not going to work. If you're trying to build
something that is going to replace RSS. There's a long line
of corpses. Yeah, you got to be careful with that. I mean, I
love the idea that people want to do something with podcasting,
and agnostic, but I just don't see the point.
Dave Jones: I don't either if you if you build it, and you
have, I don't know, 100 people use it. Hey, great, great. Yeah,
yeah, good for you. But, but if you're expecting to make just
the, I guess the warning is if you're expecting to make a huge
dent in podcasting is not because 90% of podcasters go
through a podcast host and that they're not gonna do that.
Adam Curry: Now, but they but that comes in your boat has to
be censored, censorship resistant, like, this is kind of
what we're already doing.
Dave Jones: There's not really a censorship problem in podcasting
anymore, anyway, no, no, there is actually no, I mean, like
this. It's just not a thing. And I've been researching this news,
Gord
Adam Curry: Oh, that's hilarious, I have a good take on
this or a different take from everybody. You want to go play
once you explain what it is first, and then what your what
your exploration has, has resulted in,
Dave Jones: it's a way to it's a way to score content, podcasts,
websites, based on a rating system that takes these
different credit these these nine different criteria points
in it. And it's done by a bunch of a bunch of on staff, people
who they say are trained or journalistically trained is the
terminology they use. So it's basically it's it's like a, it's
like a fact checker Snopes type thing, but they apply score to
your to your content. So it really it looks like the
ultimate thing is so that brands feel safe.
Adam Curry: So I've been hearing a lot about this, I listened to
Todd and Rob talk about I listened to Dave Jackson and
Daniel J. Lewis talk about it on their podcast, I listened of
course to the the original source of the news. Pod news,
pod news, weekly review. This is nothing more than the podcasts
industrial complex eating itself. This is to that two
things, one, purely political, purely political, which, you
know, go ahead, you'll love it. These tools always get used
against you, in the long run, no one wins in that game. But it's
also to eat up as much ad money as possible scrim those guys and
if we have to, we can even start saying oh, you know, to check
these guys, I shouldn't have a good rating and get rid of them.
It's all too for to get as much of the ad money which I hear is
$2 billion as much of the ad money as possible. And so it's
this has no bearing on anybody except the top 50 News quote
unquote, opinion podcasts to it, and I don't and I still don't
know where all this money is. I'm still trying to find them
still trying to find $1.8 billion. Okay. I'm sure.
Dave Jones: I listened to an interview by the founder by one
of the founders, the guy that used to be the Wall Street
Journal and he explained it he said I think I think the the
reasoning there went yes, they're like there's there's the
political angle and then there but they're real money play
there is okay, there's brands the like you said before brands
are that like, it's like garlic and crosses controversy. Yes.
And they don't want to be anywhere near it. And so he
here's how he described it, I wish I clipped it but I'm not
I'm not done I've got some more to listen to. He described it as
okay, there's content out there that if you transcribe it and
look at the words they use it's scary words and his in his turn
in his words, he said things like, like gay. So he's like, so
that is that is say that is content that you may not want to
buy ads against, because it could be controversial, but they
go in and do the work to find out if it actually is
controversial, so that you're not restricted based purely on
keywords. So they they figure all this stuff out and say okay,
this has some keywords in it that may scare you off, but
we're saying that this is safe to advertise against so
therefore, it's a play it's a pure advertising money play to
get more ad dollars into into the market against it against
content that other deters otherwise deemed off. Off Limits
Adam Curry: and I'll just have you know that in 2006, we had
the term brand safe and brand suitable already with with with
POD show. This is nothing new but this is the thing that's I
used to get really frustrated, I don't get frustrated over
anymore because I'm just like, Okay, I'm just sit back and
well, I know how it ends. I wrote this movie, I starred in
it. I produced it. I just I did distribution. I did the, you
know, the gambit. I did the press tour for it. I've been
here I have the T shirts, hoodies, mugs. This is we're
going through something all over again. And then when I hear
people in the in the closed podcasting business of the
podcast industrial complex, say, Well, this is all new, you know,
this is such a new medium bull shit. It's 20 years old people.
Nothing's going to change. You're just new to the game.
It's the same thing. It's just what happened to podcasting. The
minute social media networks came out and podcasting was you
know, page 13 below the fold. And now half of you are lying,
and half of you are just ignorant. And the lying part is
what kind of gets me? Yeah, I love companies. We asked what
we're doing. Yeah, we're, we love producing content,
sometimes just for the creative art of it bullshit. Yes. Yeah.
Right. Well, you know, and then we have, yes, we have, of
course, our brand business. No, that is your business. You
create podcasts for brands, you create podcasts around brands is
nothing different than soap operas that started around a
soap brand. This has been done over and over and over again.
And what's sad is that we eventually get to the point
where we start calling the way it used to work open podcasting,
and then call YouTube videos podcasting without an RSS feed,
and get all excited about it. It's pathetic, it doesn't it
won't happen is you know, we will be talking about this and
10 years from now. It'll be the same thing.
Dave Jones: And the end and those guard people also have an
intelligence wing.
Adam Curry: I'm sure they do. Intelligence, but you know, they
have a product whales as a part of this really, the wiki pedia
guy. Okay, well, now how does how good is Wikipedia when it
comes to accuracy?
Dave Jones: They just look at my Oh,
Adam Curry: look at my own Wikipedia page. Which I'm not
allowed to change myself. You know, I'm an expert on all
things. Adam curry.
Dave Jones: You You are the expert about about yourself. Now
I've gotten
Adam Curry: in deep trouble for changing a wiki page. Joe does
John Battelle Oh, he's also an advisor, Wired magazine. This is
a jerk off session.
Dave Jones: There's a there's a Dutch guy in there too. Which
runs with what's up guest this last days. There's it's like
it's like an art collector, but he's also an investor.
Adam Curry: Let me see. Are investors okay? Is he an
investor or is he Oh, the Knight Foundation? Okay, interesting.
Oh, egg from ultra low.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Is that? Why is it? Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
Yeah. That was the thing you just said.
Adam Curry: I found. Excellent. Let's see who he is. I'm not
familiar with him. He's like
Dave Jones: Bartlett, but he's a he's a partner in some. Some
firm, like a investment firm.
Adam Curry: Oh, these are very wealthy people. Yeah, these are
very, very wealthy people, though. They have they have
finance halls arrived or they've got very, very important
paintings in their collection. Okay.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Well, you've lightweights. Yeah, it
Adam Curry: was like an NPR board in a way, which is fine.
It's just they're not going to be looking at your podcast and
not they're not interested in that they're interested in
Megyn. Kelly, they're interested in the Tucker Carlson. They're
interested in American politics. It's stupid. He's stupid. Yeah.
And we've wasted enough. We've wasted enough time on this
ourselves. Agree, but but I just need to say, look at the
history. We've been through this. We've been through this.
So many times we've been through this cycle. Advertising doesn't
work well, on podcasting. It just doesn't. I mean, it does if
you're building brand specific or, you know, certain types of
content, but it's not for, you know, a couple couple people and
a microphone and chatting about some stuff. Just doesn't work
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Dave Jones: I would love to thank people.
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with your voices and your laughter she listened to it in
the bathtub every day since man visual. Or it's like a tele
novella. Thank you gentlemen. Strong work. Well, we'll take
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Adam Curry: who else can we thank Dave
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Adam Curry: Oh, is this is this a podcast as well?
Dave Jones: We're only written I think it's just written
Adam Curry: because I scribe and I get booted. But I also can't
receive email from James Cridland mail.
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Dave Jones: what it is yet. You blacklisted and bet you're
banned.
Adam Curry: I don't well. So he's like He said, Well, you're
blocking and I said no, I don't think so. But let me get void
zero on so I ping void zero who's a no agenda social.com and
James can't see his answers because of course no agenda
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Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah. Of course. The entire universe
Adam Curry: never ending story. Yeah, exactly.
Dave Jones: Thank you, Ben and Albertus. Yeah, really
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that was that was really pay pal. So we've got some early one
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Adam Curry: successful Okay, there was a lot of those I think
Dave Jones: a bunch I consolidated Yes,
Adam Curry: by the way I just want to say so after the show, I
remembered of course to put the Joe Martin tags in and
everything pretty slick. The way sovereign feeds has, it took me
a second to figure out you know, pre production post production
or he has two different modes for doing that. But it's slick
Maggie Liu, type in the name the artist shows up, you select the
song, boom, it goes in, you sync it with the time done. Very,
very cool system.
Dave Jones: Live is going to be a trip that's going to be a fun
thing to work through. I would love to see I would love to see
like a like a when you go to do your first live. I would love to
see it like a like a video of your hand of like your keyboard
and the screen.
Adam Curry: Choose my right foot. I'm going to need a foot
to go with that for sure.
Dave Jones: You're gonna be a hand short. Auburn Citadelle
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Adam Curry: Nice Nice. Nice.
Dave Jones: Thank you brown again. Listen to those 336 90
from anonymous through pod versus like the track at the
beginning of the show. Start nine is cool. I like the
detailed interface. I'm keeping running. I keep running Umbral.
I think it's more open for nerds also start nine hang strong on
the SSL tour for the show.
Adam Curry: Yes, thank you. It's true. It's true. By long term I
think start nine is really the way to go. I mean, building a
whole OS around this is dynamite. But they definitely
need to fix the other dynamic naming of machines
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Dave Jones: He sent in another 1000 and another 1000 He says
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Adam Curry: Yes research we we approve of researching with
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Adam Curry: Yeah, but it won't work from breeze.
Dave Jones: Right because he didn't do this. Do the split.
Yeah, right then do the remote split. Is that's that's what
everybody calls Roy. Right? That was his nickname in high school
the all the fox, the all
Adam Curry: of the all of Fox. I think I think some people still
call him that on the weekends.
Dave Jones: Mere Mortals podcast. 4321 sets the
foundation as my second chat with Dave came out this week we
finally get to the heart of what's making him sick all the
time.
Adam Curry: But also no spoilers no spoilers people often listen
to the show,
Dave Jones: but also has some fun fee for Wii chat and why
everyone is pumped for music. Yes, yeah, that was good.
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Adam Curry: I'd love the chapter art he's like showing all these
philosophers and these books and like, oh, man, he's a real work.
I do always love his chapters. The chapters are great.
Dave Jones: That means a chapter savant is Chad F 2112. Rush
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Adam Curry: Nice.
Dave Jones: Round to the arena. Yes. And he said, So Jason said
this morning that they right now they're only supporting the
value blocks that are in the feed but then they're going to
be pulling from
Adam Curry: is it wasn't he fundamentally against value for
value? Not not fundamentally but there was some fear was he was
like, I don't want to do it now or am I
Dave Jones: thinking I don't think so. I think you may be
thinking Xavier from podcast addict. Maybe that's it. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think Jason's always been pretty open to it. Well,
he's a party he's working on it man like he's got a lot of envy
for V so I mean like this it's an AKA this this thing's rolling
Yeah. Mark it's funny now that now that now that have lot you
know, podcast guru and pod verse went on the phone on the
smartphone like whenever some one of your shows goes live, or
dudes and dads
Adam Curry: you get you get boy boy boy boy. All these alerts I
know it's cool. It's cool.
Dave Jones: Marks 31,111 Sass that takes guts to do first like
this value splits with music trying it out live without
testing that was tight. I'm coming back with curio caster so
I can stream this as properly
Adam Curry: Nice.
Dave Jones: Jean been 20 to 22 found through fountain Issa
super glad to see the activity tab for this show in Fountain
now. Back to meta gene me.
Adam Curry: Oh, because yes, because we had that enabled. We
should turn it back on.
Dave Jones: Oh, for comments. Yeah, turned back on. I did
notice we got quite a few of the like low you know, like less
than 1000 Sad comment, right.
Adam Curry: Okay, apparently, I was wrong. I was wrong may COPPA
it did not affect our value for value income at all.
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Adam Curry: I can't wait I've been waiting for this. I cannot
wait to see it.
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Adam Curry: of course. I want a t shirt. PO Box 1849
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Adam Curry: Joe didn't have to do that man. Thank you.
Dave Jones: He says beer money with beer emoji.
Adam Curry: Yeah, Cujo will drink one will drink wine on
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Dave Jones: just want to point out the work that Gehrman and
station yeah from pod station but he has been continuously
working on the cross app comments on our website yes
Adam Curry: thank you
Dave Jones: yes and they finally him and Steve him and Nathan and
Steven crater been collaborating together and they got they you
can post you can post back now like you Oh
Adam Curry: Oh really?
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Oh hold on a second. Yeah. And it's rad to
I didn't
Adam Curry: realize this as this had been done on a second let me
just
Dave Jones: do just this I just pushed out to production maybe
two days ago.
Adam Curry: And we just see for a second almost so I can see
here under it won't show it under okay but under episode 131
Toilet scroll oh man, we have a lot of a lot of splits. We do we
do. I love seeing those. Okay, got this.
Dave Jones: So if you go to a post if you go to a post that
you want to reply to and go to the little three dots over there
to the right
Adam Curry: oh here it is. I see there's Jeremy
Dave Jones: reply to this post. Oh
Adam Curry: dude, this is cool. Okay, yeah,
Dave Jones: who says it says what is your fediverse account
are you started
Adam Curry: already knew it I guess because it just just gave
me all just just gave me a way to respond to low altitude
already knocked it up to NASA. And I see forget this oh, oh.
Oh, you can you can you can undo it. Oh, no. Oh, no. What is your
fit? I'm sorry fediverse account you're right. I just plus I
didn't read it. Adam at podcast in curse Yeah, I
Dave Jones: think you have to use the app for I think you have
to do like
Adam Curry: Adam add podcast index dot social. Or an O at
Adam at you told me
Dave Jones: I thought it was at but maybe it's not let me see.
I'm gonna say
Adam Curry: play host. Oh. Okay. So it opened up. Huh? I don't
know it opened up podcast index dot social. Right? Because
that's what's supposed to do.
Dave Jones: Well, that's what you put in for your identity,
right? Yes. Yeah. So you know, you should it should take you to
where you can reply. Like, it basically asks you what your
account is, and then it will direct you to that page to that
page so that you can reply. It's sort of like it's, it's like
that experience when you're on another, another Mastodon and
you want to reply, like kicks you back,
Adam Curry: right? So it's not really in inline reply, but it's
close to it. And then I in order to see it, I have to refresh the
page. I'm guessing
Dave Jones: Well, me let me try it with my because it worked on
my other computer but I haven't tried it from this one yet.
Social see? David podcasting loading
Adam Curry: loading loading which vote Yeah, okay, I showed
up there it worked. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yep, that's what man does too. So it did it just
takes you to where you're
Adam Curry: going to right right you still have to hit reply but
it does take you there. Yep, yep. And it doesn't resolve my
PCI little flag in my name. Just a small detail. PCI. Yeah, so if
you do call on PCI Kolon it'll show little podcast index logo
next to my Oh, yeah. Okay. Very cool. Very, very cool.
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is this is this is a big deal. I mean,
because this is truly decentralized chat. I mean,
excuse me comments, comments and look,
Adam Curry: where do I moderate moderate I like any of these
comments and get rid of the burden, but it's not a problem.
Okay. There's no moderation. Oh,
Dave Jones: really appreciate. It's really anyone who's just
diligent like he just goes down down down deep interest in a
topic just doesn't come up with it
Adam Curry: sticks with it. We love that. Hi, brother. Well,
what a day, huh? What a week. It's been phenomenal. And we got
$2.01 on the clock. So I'm going to call it everybody. Thank you
very much for joining us here for the board meeting of
podcast. Podcasting. 2.0 Dave, back to work for you.
Dave Jones: No, no, I owe him off. I've actually got a call
with a podcaster to help them out with a feed switch here in a
minute.
Adam Curry: Lovely always added always working for you value for
value. Thank you all very much. We'll be back next week with
another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Have a great
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