1 00:00:00,810 --> 00:00:05,700 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for June 30 2023, episode 139 We're 2 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:13,230 in the rustic code cave writing must mean a sign for podcasting. 3 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:16,830 2.0 the boardroom with more Rhythm Nation that Janet Jackson 4 00:00:16,830 --> 00:00:20,490 That's right. Everything going on with podcasting 2.0 the 5 00:00:20,490 --> 00:00:24,030 podcast index.org We've got the namespace and of course 6 00:00:24,390 --> 00:00:27,300 everything we're talking about a podcast index dot social amount 7 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:32,400 of curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an 8 00:00:32,550 --> 00:00:37,170 Alabama demand streaming his life away I'm here to say hello 9 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:39,870 to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Day 10 00:00:44,939 --> 00:00:48,869 You know, it's we're live baby so um, there's, there's no 11 00:00:48,899 --> 00:00:51,719 there's no take backs. There's no do overs we just go with it. 12 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:54,060 Dave Jones: You're gonna you're gonna go back and edit this edit 13 00:00:54,060 --> 00:00:59,550 it out? No. Of course none. It was that's 14 00:00:59,549 --> 00:01:02,459 Adam Curry: what makes me human. People go Ah, he messed it up. 15 00:01:02,489 --> 00:01:05,369 Oh, he's a human. He's not a robot. Oh, he's 16 00:01:05,370 --> 00:01:07,380 Dave Jones: not AI because I would never do that. 17 00:01:07,410 --> 00:01:09,570 Adam Curry: I would never do that it would never have that 18 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:12,450 pizzazz and it would never come up with the comparison of us 19 00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:16,050 with Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation Of course. Whatever. 20 00:01:16,739 --> 00:01:19,919 Dave Jones: Can you can you like expound on this? What was the 21 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:21,359 what's your what's your meaning there? 22 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:23,220 Adam Curry: I don't know. I was just why are we Rhythm Nation? 23 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:27,360 Well I just wanted well we I got two songs today I got two songs 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,840 to play and two value blocks and it's been it's been rather 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,330 interesting sovereign feeds was on the fritz 26 00:01:33,810 --> 00:01:35,910 Dave Jones: Yes tell me tell me what give me the give me the 27 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:38,520 rundown The Lowdown oh this back and forth Haven't you? Yeah, 28 00:01:38,550 --> 00:01:41,100 Adam Curry: it was you know I go into set everything up and that 29 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:43,800 means that I'm gonna get my value time split set so that I 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,280 can and I want it to create a fresh value block to put in 31 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,250 there. Yeah, fresh one that from an artist who has who has a 32 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:55,800 wallet but has not yet been let me just make sure does he have 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,420 this wallet? Did I put the wallet in there? Hold on a 34 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:05,100 second. If I edit this and this is actually interesting. Here we 35 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:11,580 go. New split there we go. Hold on a second is I'm glad I just 36 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:12,240 mentioned this 37 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:18,120 Dave Jones: you set your self regulating 38 00:02:18,150 --> 00:02:22,140 Adam Curry: I really am. What was really easy about it is if 39 00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:28,980 people have a fountain wallet or if they have an lb N lb wallet. 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:36,570 It's so easy to do in in sovereign feeds. Because you 41 00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:41,580 know, there's citizen do that right citizen? Oh, my goodness, 42 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:44,940 I'm sorry. I'm already Bogan around, because you just 43 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:52,350 entering the name, you know, the the person's address, you know, 44 00:02:52,350 --> 00:02:56,910 the lb address or fountains address. And you can even hive 45 00:02:56,910 --> 00:02:59,670 even works as well. Which is now Nicole. 46 00:03:00,209 --> 00:03:03,539 Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, because of the because of the Rube Goldberg 47 00:03:03,539 --> 00:03:04,049 machine. Okay. 48 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:06,540 Adam Curry: Yeah. That's because of sovereign fees. Exactly. 49 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:09,810 Sovereign feeds is the Rube Goldberg machine. Yeah. Okay. So 50 00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:12,390 I put in the splits I get I think I did it right. Who knows? 51 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:14,670 Maybe we're giving all of this out the whole show to someone 52 00:03:14,670 --> 00:03:15,450 else? I don't know, does 53 00:03:16,139 --> 00:03:20,429 Dave Jones: this show this show is maybe the most scissors that 54 00:03:20,429 --> 00:03:23,699 has ever happened because I had a complete breakdown as well. 55 00:03:23,699 --> 00:03:25,229 But I can write but that 56 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:27,960 Adam Curry: okay. I definitely want it. In fact, as I was 57 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,690 getting this ready, I see the clock counting down. And that 58 00:03:30,690 --> 00:03:35,010 was on Fox News radio this morning. So I you know, I had it 59 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:39,480 was like I was you on Fox News Radio. Yeah. Brian Brian 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,350 Kilmeade. He has a daily radio show. He's kind of the guy who 61 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:47,940 has the personality, personality of a dishrag guy and everything. 62 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,270 But he's like, he's like the guy you can just put in anywhere 63 00:03:51,270 --> 00:03:53,460 like I would do the morning show. Oh, you do the show. And 64 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:56,130 you know, he's like one of those universal guys you can put in 65 00:03:56,130 --> 00:03:58,620 anywhere and he has a radio show. And you know, and he 66 00:03:58,620 --> 00:04:02,520 always starts off without G Don't you hate what MTV has 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,210 become like? 68 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:06,930 Dave Jones: We're gonna go there. Well, I 69 00:04:06,930 --> 00:04:08,670 Adam Curry: took it straight from there to music on 70 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:16,620 podcasting. 2.0 And he was like Homina Homina Homina just just 71 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:21,510 give do it every promotion, I could get it out of it. And then 72 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:28,470 I got I got the road caster duo in which is the cute little 73 00:04:28,470 --> 00:04:31,890 small version of the road caster to you. Did 74 00:04:31,890 --> 00:04:33,240 Dave Jones: you order that thing for real? 75 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:37,500 Adam Curry: Well, I didn't want to. And I looked at it and I 76 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,740 looked at it and I knew it was it wouldn't be coming until July 77 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:43,020 and then you know, like, or whatever. I couldn't pull the 78 00:04:43,020 --> 00:04:46,230 trigger and then Tina's egging me on. She's like, come on, you 79 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:48,000 should do it. Because then you're then you have a complete 80 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,120 road set and you don't have to unhook anything and and it's 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,010 smaller, it's way definitely smaller. It weighs less and it 82 00:04:56,010 --> 00:04:59,430 you know, you like it. Yeah. And I'm like, and then it pops up. 83 00:04:59,430 --> 00:05:01,920 That is first They'll now all of a sudden, they can deliver it 84 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,220 everywhere. So okay, I pulled the trigger, and it came two 85 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:08,790 days earlier than expected. And the main thing I wanted to see 86 00:05:09,150 --> 00:05:15,090 is can I take the SD card, which includes all the settings, etc, 87 00:05:15,090 --> 00:05:18,510 for every single show, take it out of the road caster two and 88 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:22,260 put it into the duo, you know, to transfer all the settings in 89 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:26,700 one go because you should, it's the same processing, it's just 90 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:33,480 smaller has two less faders and it has six buttons instead of 91 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:38,460 eight for the sound pads. And while you can't it doesn't get 92 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:43,260 the same software that should work. No, actually the only 93 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:46,380 thing that screws up is the sound pad. So you have to take 94 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:49,230 the sound pads out because it doesn't know what to do in your 95 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:54,390 view. Yeah, this the road caster basically has eight times six, 96 00:05:54,780 --> 00:06:00,240 and the duo and the and the Pro two has eight times eight. So 97 00:06:00,270 --> 00:06:03,900 you know it gets all screwed up. So if you miss your export the 98 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:08,670 show with just the settings works perfectly beautifully. And 99 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:11,610 so and I was actually taking advantage of the opportunity to 100 00:06:11,610 --> 00:06:15,480 rearrange some of the sound pads and then it's like, oh, yeah, 101 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:18,120 then I got the Kilmeade show and then of course like oh called 102 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,310 just set everything up in sovereign feet and it's not 103 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:25,230 working that of course. And typically be very stressed about 104 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:29,340 that and like we're running with scissors, it's okay. Yeah, 105 00:06:29,340 --> 00:06:30,270 figure it out. 106 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:33,210 Dave Jones: Are you willing to do now 107 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,530 Adam Curry: No, I'm not No, I'm not okay. I could not figure out 108 00:06:37,710 --> 00:06:42,510 what was going wrong. Why I couldn't build my life value 109 00:06:42,510 --> 00:06:46,800 time split for the for the songs we're going to play. So one has 110 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,620 this has a feed as in the index, and one doesn't have a feed but 111 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:56,460 the artist does and it's it's borderline illegal what I'm 112 00:06:56,460 --> 00:07:01,530 going to do because he mean well. Scissors baby 113 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:07,980 Dave Jones: illegal not illegal in the sense of a tetanus 114 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,080 technologically illegal not not legally ill 115 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,900 Adam Curry: no no it's it's technologically legal. It may be 116 00:07:12,930 --> 00:07:18,870 illegal legal is borderline I'll explain it taste it taste 117 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:22,920 medicine. And hey, citizen has done another fantastic mix for 118 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,950 us. But of course, it's you know, it's a takeoff on an 119 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:30,540 existing song. So the music you know, now you can do this within 120 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:34,830 the within the auspices of education there is a you can get 121 00:07:34,830 --> 00:07:40,020 away with fair use. I don't know if streaming SATs to the person 122 00:07:40,110 --> 00:07:42,450 is included under that. Probably not. 123 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:44,580 Dave Jones: But it is what it is. 124 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:48,450 Adam Curry: It's your shirt it 125 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:50,880 Dave Jones: haunts me when I'm a constitutional scholar. 126 00:07:50,910 --> 00:07:54,750 Adam Curry: Yeah, sure you are almost eight minutes my offset. 127 00:07:55,980 --> 00:07:59,280 So I need to set that up. And so it's the first time I've created 128 00:07:59,310 --> 00:08:02,730 a list I guess it's basically the built in Split kit inside of 129 00:08:02,730 --> 00:08:06,540 sovereign feeds. So it just says create value block and then you 130 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:10,620 can add all the information and then you can add a value split 131 00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:16,680 and I put that in and I think I think it worked. So well. We'll 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,580 find out okay. Find out 133 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:27,540 Dave Jones: this this is on top of my email is down by fast mail 134 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:32,010 is broken. Ooh. I don't really fully understand what's going on 135 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,300 a lot of things on the internet broke today for really GitHub 136 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:41,310 went down. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, fast mails down as we go 137 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:45,090 downward or did nothing is back up now. Yeah, it must be like it 138 00:08:45,090 --> 00:08:47,490 Adam Curry: must have been that that thread about value for 139 00:08:47,490 --> 00:08:48,630 value with real money. 140 00:08:52,410 --> 00:08:57,510 Dave Jones: What's going on? There's but there's a but then 141 00:08:57,510 --> 00:09:00,600 there's another there's like a payroll company that at my day 142 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,170 job today that was down a big one. And like it's like it's 143 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:07,080 like a whole bunch of stuff it it's weird. I don't know if 144 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,070 there's some sort of like network transit. That's that got 145 00:09:11,070 --> 00:09:14,400 borked or something but But anyways, fast mail still down. I 146 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,500 don't have any access to get the PayPals Oh, no. Yeah, the the 147 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:22,860 boost in my booster gram conveyance. 148 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,590 Adam Curry: Oh, you you boost the gram or your boost. 149 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:29,400 Dave Jones: The boost. You had the boost? Slurp. It's just blew 150 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:34,620 down. It's down. I can't I can't because because the last the 151 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:38,100 last mile of it is to the to my email. Oh, you know, like, Okay, 152 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,890 well, so but what I did was I pulled and when we 153 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,720 Adam Curry: pulled it out the database straight out of the 154 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,480 data database. Yeah. Did I just do a File Transfer? 155 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,670 Dave Jones: Let me let me static as my desktop. This is 156 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:50,190 Adam Curry: why I love my email server I've had I've been 157 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:55,470 running my own email server for man. I want to say almost two 158 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:59,280 decades. There was a little time there when I used Gmail or some 159 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,620 other core that delivered mail. But I had someone who did a 160 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:10,170 really bad DDoS on me about 556 years ago. And it was one of 161 00:10:10,170 --> 00:10:14,940 those where it's a service, you pay about $100. And then you 162 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:19,740 give one email address and it auto subscribes you to 1000s of 163 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:24,390 news lists, and, you know, this all kinds of stuff and it's 164 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:28,320 horrific what starts to come in at that point. And 165 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,020 Dave Jones: it's called newsletter bombing or email 166 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:32,820 bombing. Yeah, it massive 167 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:36,150 Adam Curry: email bomb and, and then I just handed the whole 168 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:41,970 thing over to void zero to mark and he runs, perhaps the 169 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:46,260 tightest mail server in the universe. And you know, it's he 170 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:52,080 everything the demark the D M. K, is the FSB is the element 171 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,820 Opie's all that. And he's, and he's a Nazi about it, too. He's 172 00:10:56,820 --> 00:11:00,930 like, no, no, no, they're misconfigured. Sorry. They just 173 00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:04,200 cannot send you email. And I'm kind of okay with that. Like, 174 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:04,710 yeah, it would 175 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:07,170 Dave Jones: be too as like you say, I mean, at this point in 176 00:11:07,170 --> 00:11:11,100 the lifespan of enough of email, spam, it's like just fix your 177 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:11,640 email. 178 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:14,700 Adam Curry: And you can use it and you'd be surprised how many 179 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:21,240 times Apple's email is misconfigured or broken. We've 180 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,850 seen and we see that more often than not actually like one 181 00:11:23,850 --> 00:11:28,530 server will have the wrong demark settings. I've seen it 182 00:11:28,530 --> 00:11:33,750 happen with Gmail once or twice. But yeah, it's what you got to 183 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:37,950 do and my email is pretty clean. I have to say at least free from 184 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:38,670 most spam 185 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,810 Dave Jones: that Okay, let's see I've got I've got the booster 186 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:44,760 grams, but fast. Yes, mail. I 187 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,050 Adam Curry: mean, they're supposed to be pretty good. 188 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:47,880 Yeah, they're great. I love 189 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,970 Dave Jones: fast milk eggs that when they go down, understand, 190 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,150 Okay, I got the I got the boost handled. I just I just recovered 191 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,520 the postage, so we're good on boosts. I just don't have access 192 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,090 to the paper. 193 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,410 Adam Curry: What can't you just log into the PayPal alone 194 00:12:01,410 --> 00:12:01,980 pillow? 195 00:12:03,270 --> 00:12:05,250 Dave Jones: Just wanna? Yeah, I guess I could then click 196 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:07,230 Adam Curry: the Activity tab. Is that a weird thought? 197 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,950 Dave Jones: Yeah. I guess let me 198 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:14,880 Adam Curry: just thinking, just just a thought. I mean, I don't 199 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,550 know. I mean, I'm just, I'm just a disc jockey. 200 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:20,760 Dave Jones: Okay, I'm gonna get on a lark. I'm just gonna let 201 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:23,970 I'm just gonna let it go and see if fast mail fixes themselves by 202 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:25,830 the time the donation okay. 203 00:12:25,890 --> 00:12:29,040 Adam Curry: And if not, when you log into PayPal desert, and I 204 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:29,670 have the ability to 205 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:32,490 Dave Jones: blank mode to blank out my screen. So that so the 206 00:12:32,490 --> 00:12:36,210 rogue you every time I say that I'm lost streaming? You give a 207 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:41,310 chuckle. Yeah, I know. I know why. Oh, you do you are you is 208 00:12:41,310 --> 00:12:44,010 because you're anticipating the day when this whole thing just 209 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,680 completely blows up. And I regret it. chuckle chuckle is in 210 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,860 here in a few weeks, you're going to do something stupid, 211 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:55,200 and it's going to end you're gonna really regret live 212 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,460 streaming yourself. No, no, 213 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:59,670 Adam Curry: no, no, that's not it. It's you want to know the 214 00:12:59,670 --> 00:13:04,860 honest truth? Sure, I feel distracts from. I don't like 215 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:09,930 video. And so if someone is, is listening as watching the stream 216 00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:12,900 of you, I think that they're not listening as intently as they 217 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,000 could be. And it's important people who are watching that 218 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:21,870 stream. That's I, you know, I've never understood the idea that 219 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:25,230 you've got a couple dudes with headphones on and mics and like, 220 00:13:25,890 --> 00:13:29,520 I want people to have a vision of where I'm sitting of what it 221 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,070 looks like, or what it doesn't look like or what pants I have 222 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:34,590 on or don't have on. Dave. 223 00:13:36,780 --> 00:13:37,680 Dave Jones: I'm fully passed, 224 00:13:37,710 --> 00:13:41,100 Adam Curry: you know, and it just it to me, I'm an audio guy. 225 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:45,510 It creates more intimacy, and I want to be in people's ears and 226 00:13:45,510 --> 00:13:47,790 I want them to pay I paid attention to what I'm saying and 227 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:51,150 not be watching. Also, I also have Tourette's and it's weird 228 00:13:51,150 --> 00:13:53,220 to watch. So yeah, well, this is 229 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:59,400 Dave Jones: interesting. Because we need to test we need to test 230 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,710 the peer tube stuff in the lottery. And we're in. Oh, yeah, 231 00:14:01,710 --> 00:14:04,320 for sure. Alex and airhead are going to be on with us next 232 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,640 Friday. So we're gonna catch up on all the peer tube stuff. But 233 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,610 we need to we need to test this but I'm like, I'm sensitive to 234 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:15,330 your concerns. And like maybe maybe we should just do some 235 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,380 something. Maybe I should live stream just like my desktop and 236 00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:20,280 not myself. 237 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:24,690 Adam Curry: It doesn't matter. Look, it's this is all scissor 238 00:14:24,690 --> 00:14:27,630 stuff. It's all good. I'm just I'm an audio nerd. You know, 239 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,800 it's just I've always felt like and I also believe okay, this 240 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,200 kind of goes into what's happening with the podcast 241 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,830 industrial complex. I think we should discuss this. This whole, 242 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:41,760 by the way, The Lodger the lockdown drawn out battle 243 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,360 between Todd and Rob was beautiful. It was a beautiful 244 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,850 thing to hear. Were they? 245 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,110 Dave Jones: Yes, that was one of my favorite things of the last 246 00:14:52,110 --> 00:14:55,530 moment. I mean, Todd just go nuts. 247 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,500 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was pretty fun. Now is Rob working for a 248 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:01,860 company that uploads to YouTube? goober uses YouTube? I know he's 249 00:15:01,860 --> 00:15:05,730 doing YouTube videos for this one hundred.tv or something? 250 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:07,440 What is he? What is he doing? 251 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:10,050 Dave Jones: It's something YouTube related. Okay, so 252 00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:13,770 Adam Curry: so the whole, the whole it comes down to it is, is 253 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:19,350 is a show on YouTube? Is that a podcast? Not? Not, you cannot 254 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,850 see what did you just drop 255 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:24,540 Dave Jones: and disrupt a piece of pad of paper? No, I heard 256 00:15:24,540 --> 00:15:28,830 loads of notes sound okay. I stood on the floor. 257 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:31,440 Adam Curry: See, I have a whole visual of that. And 258 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,090 unfortunately, do you know that I had a hole? Okay, I gotta step 259 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:40,680 back for a second. I had a whole different visual of your setup. 260 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:45,840 Then when I saw it on your stream, the first time when you 261 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,220 were doing the database upgrade. I was disappointed. It didn't 262 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:53,640 look anything like I thought it. And let me let me 263 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,540 Dave Jones: I was so glad that I disappointed you with my reel. 264 00:15:57,990 --> 00:16:02,370 Adam Curry: And I just had a flashback. My dad told me, I 265 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:05,070 didn't have a great relationship with my dad. But I remember a 266 00:16:05,070 --> 00:16:08,760 few things he told me and he told me that when he was a kid, 267 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,960 of course, he used to listen to the Lone Ranger radio show. And 268 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,480 his dad took him to the studio in New York City to go see the 269 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:23,580 Lone Ranger radio show being done live. And he said it was 270 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:27,150 such a letdown because these actors were ugly, didn't look at 271 00:16:27,150 --> 00:16:30,810 anything like you know, like the Lone Ranger Tonto shirt, and it 272 00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:33,600 was just the whole thing was weird. And it completely ruined 273 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,980 the show for him. And, and I think that holds true. For 274 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:39,240 anyway, that's just me. 275 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:40,740 Dave Jones: That's just me saying that. You're saying that 276 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:46,080 I'm ugly. And didn't say that? For real, real life. Dave 277 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:46,680 disappoint. 278 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:50,370 Adam Curry: I know how real life Dave is great. I know what you 279 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:53,190 look like. That's not the point. It was your whole setup. I had 280 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:54,810 just a different vision of it. You know, 281 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,640 Dave Jones: what did you What did you think? What was your 282 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,100 theater of the mind? Did you say did you envision me with like, 283 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:01,950 12 screens in a command center? And 284 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:07,830 Adam Curry: no, it was more like home built shelves out of naked 285 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:12,810 wood not painted yet? With some holes. You you, you you drilled 286 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:17,010 in it for cabling to come up and, and definitely didn't have 287 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:20,280 a floor? I mean, it's no way now I see ever wood floors like No, 288 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,310 yeah, I imagined you on concrete. You know? I don't 289 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:23,730 know. 290 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,760 Dave Jones: The the ham shack the ham radio? 291 00:17:27,389 --> 00:17:30,569 Adam Curry: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I could never I 292 00:17:30,569 --> 00:17:34,919 could never have that beautiful vision again. Any kind of 293 00:17:34,919 --> 00:17:39,569 ruined. So I want to go back to the podcast industrial complex, 294 00:17:39,869 --> 00:17:44,939 who are struggling? And yes, I have been through this loop. I 295 00:17:44,939 --> 00:17:48,119 have been through this loop before. When we started pod 296 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,599 show, podcasting was hot podcasting was the darling 297 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:56,099 podcasting was doeschate, the future of radio. And then we got 298 00:17:56,099 --> 00:18:00,689 Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. And particularly YouTube was a 299 00:18:00,689 --> 00:18:04,049 big story because it was what $2 billion, whatever, whatever, 300 00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:08,789 they paid those two, there's two Yahoo's for it. And it was gonna 301 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:15,059 be YouTube, it was video. And podcasting was was neon now went 302 00:18:15,059 --> 00:18:19,319 from, you know, front page to page 13 below the fold, and it 303 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:21,929 was all YouTube and was going to be great. And it was to 304 00:18:21,929 --> 00:18:29,489 broadcast yourself. And, and we at that point already, already, 305 00:18:29,489 --> 00:18:32,849 were struggling to find a business model. Because, you 306 00:18:32,849 --> 00:18:36,779 know, BMW had already said it was too risky, they were 307 00:18:36,779 --> 00:18:39,389 advertising for a while. And then when someone heard 308 00:18:39,389 --> 00:18:42,029 something on the dawn and drew show or the match, want, you 309 00:18:42,029 --> 00:18:44,909 know, right away, we knew this was not going to work and the 310 00:18:44,909 --> 00:18:51,389 business model we had was coupon codes. So it was basically the 311 00:18:51,389 --> 00:18:55,229 per inquiry stuff, where hey, go to you know, go get a domain at 312 00:18:55,229 --> 00:18:58,769 GoDaddy, Todd Cochran still still has that business model 313 00:18:58,769 --> 00:19:04,229 today. And you know, the basically our hosts were were 314 00:19:04,649 --> 00:19:08,009 the better you word SEO, SEO showing your coupon codes, the 315 00:19:08,009 --> 00:19:10,289 more money you were making, that's basically what it was had 316 00:19:10,289 --> 00:19:13,739 nothing to do with the value or the importance of the show was 317 00:19:13,739 --> 00:19:17,219 really the coupon codes. And that's where I learned a lot 318 00:19:17,219 --> 00:19:21,779 about these companies who will arbitrage and you know, you, you 319 00:19:21,779 --> 00:19:25,979 basically pay them for X amount of traffic that results in X 320 00:19:25,979 --> 00:19:28,409 amount of people using a code and so it was the whole thing 321 00:19:28,409 --> 00:19:31,349 was a scam and the scam exists today. It's what it's what it 322 00:19:31,349 --> 00:19:33,149 is. Is this Can 323 00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:36,330 Dave Jones: I interrupt you? Yeah. So this is something that 324 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:39,120 I've thought about for you know, often over the years is because 325 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,870 you hear the st you tend to hear the same advertisers on many 326 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:46,560 different shows. So you have like, like Linode for example, 327 00:19:46,860 --> 00:19:51,510 you know, you can hear you'll hear a Linode add on accidental 328 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:53,610 tech, and then you'll hear one on coder radio, and then you'll 329 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:58,530 hear one on one of Leo Laporte network shows and blah, blah, 330 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:00,990 blah, or I'm just kidding. You know, I don't know all but you 331 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:03,090 you hear you'll hear him, let's just say in five different 332 00:20:03,090 --> 00:20:07,200 shows. And they all have five different codes. Well, the day 333 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,140 you go to actually sign up and do a limo like which you've got 334 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:13,380 five possibilities, which one do you use? Right and it's in it 335 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:16,500 sounds like the one that you use is exactly what you said, which 336 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:19,590 is the one that you get SEO from when you do a Google search for 337 00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:24,210 Linode code. And it has nothing to do with really the show. It's 338 00:20:24,210 --> 00:20:26,970 just got to do with your awareness of the show. And then 339 00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:28,590 what how much Google juice has 340 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:31,650 Adam Curry: and if you listen to Joe Rogan's if not a podcast, if 341 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:35,880 you listen to Joe Rogan's ads on Spotify, it's the same thing, 342 00:20:35,910 --> 00:20:39,540 you know, put in code, Joe, or whatever. It's all the same 343 00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:42,750 thing. Now, there are some brand ads, I don't want to say that 344 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:45,450 doesn't exist at all. I mean, for instance, I just was 345 00:20:45,450 --> 00:20:48,870 listening to my hate listener of the week pivot with Kara Swisher 346 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:52,800 the award, the award winning podcast for technology category. 347 00:20:53,970 --> 00:20:56,790 And I heard an ad for Silicon Valley Bank, which was 348 00:20:56,790 --> 00:20:59,970 hilarious. They rag on. Oh, yeah. 349 00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:02,310 Dave Jones: Yeah, they still have they still have ad dollars. 350 00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:03,180 How does that work? 351 00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:05,160 Adam Curry: Well, it's the New York Times and the Vox media 352 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,770 network, you know, so that's a you know, it's Poopoo. It's 353 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:10,740 like, well, people young people talk about at the cocktail 354 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:13,830 party. Yeah, we? Yeah. So I was talking to Kara and Scott, 355 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:16,920 because we advertise on their show. It's all bullshit. The 356 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,020 advertising that is coming in. I mean, yeah, some of it some, 357 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:25,260 okay. Some of it is real, but a lot of it is just it's low level 358 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:32,070 stuff, not. And when it went. So we saw this happen in 2007, 359 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:36,060 eight, probably. And here comes YouTube, here comes Facebook, 360 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:40,740 and this is the new darling. And everything has to be video. And 361 00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:43,530 so of course, you know, in our infinite wisdom, we all 362 00:21:43,530 --> 00:21:45,960 everything's got to be video that produced everything video, 363 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:49,710 and you run into the same exact problems only now your expenses 364 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:54,960 are four times as high. Because you're doing video. And you need 365 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,690 more people typically to do video, and that's not me. You 366 00:21:57,690 --> 00:22:02,580 can do a lot by yourself, but there's just really no, there's 367 00:22:02,610 --> 00:22:07,260 no advantage to it. Now, I think, yeah, there's people 368 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:11,670 watching YouTube videos. But once you get into that game, you 369 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:15,360 know if if you want to make money through YouTube, they call 370 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,290 it a podcast, that's fine. Then you you have to play the algo 371 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:22,350 game, which means you have to upload content every single day 372 00:22:22,350 --> 00:22:24,450 and you got to do all kinds of things. Otherwise you start 373 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:27,690 getting downright It's a trap. It's a mousetrap and people get 374 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:32,100 sucked up in it. And everyone's all freaked out like oh you know 375 00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:34,620 Oh, if you don't do video this is the future it's not gonna 376 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:38,130 work and I hear everyone talking about it. Video yes video. Oh, 377 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:40,770 Spotify, you can do video there's only a Spotify is video, 378 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,030 YouTube's video though. It believes me, podcasting will 379 00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:49,140 just continue as an audio only medium. I'm not really that 380 00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:55,650 jacked about video. I like I like certain things live makes 381 00:22:55,650 --> 00:23:00,450 sense. And live video will make a lot of sense for some people 382 00:23:00,450 --> 00:23:03,870 and some things but it's different. So you know Moe's 383 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:08,550 going to do live stuff. He does live YouTube. And it's a very 384 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:12,720 direct interactive medium with the audience at that moment on 385 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,990 YouTube. They're posting in the chat, they got the super chat to 386 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:18,990 all of that we're actually going to turn that into podcasting. 387 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:23,340 And it was worth stealing that from those guys. There's no way 388 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:26,340 that they can steal the audio only podcasting thing that 389 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:30,270 everything's in your app, and there's just no way and audio is 390 00:23:30,780 --> 00:23:33,960 it's a whole different animal and it will be around for a 391 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,150 long, long time video is not going to usurp that it's just 392 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:43,770 not people still have commutes more now than ever than or more 393 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:47,040 than they had during the lockdown. That's for sure. You 394 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,700 know, audiobooks haven't gone by the wayside. That's the real 395 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:54,120 competition is audiobooks anyway. So you know there's this 396 00:23:54,120 --> 00:24:01,470 whole of this whole complex is when you debase the money, you 397 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:04,800 debase everything. And that's what you're seeing before your 398 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,620 very eyes. I don't know about you, but my home homeowners 399 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:09,300 insurance went up 60% 400 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:15,270 Dave Jones: Our car our car insurance went up 42%. And so 401 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:20,190 and I had to actually call and in start and pare it back. I had 402 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:22,290 to get at a call mom say okay, let's let's raise the 403 00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:25,920 deductible. Yeah, let's you know, in in go through and then 404 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,070 our homeowners went up. Not that not as much as yours, but it 405 00:24:29,070 --> 00:24:32,430 went up a you know, at least 20% So I called them up me and 406 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:34,920 again, isn't a dog. Yeah. Oh, well, your 407 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,950 Adam Curry: deductible would be 2%. And you'll say $40 a year. 408 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:42,600 Dave Jones: Yeah. I know. Yeah. So like and this went through 409 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:49,680 the same. So this this, you know, the YouTube thing. I've 410 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,410 been trying to make this point. And like, I saw this little 411 00:24:55,410 --> 00:25:00,720 blurb I think it may have been in sounds profitable. Magellan 412 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,050 AI is going to include YouTube or maybe they already are 413 00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:08,970 including YouTube stats in their, in their advertising is 414 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:12,120 going to include YouTube in their advertising reports for 415 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:12,600 podcasts. 416 00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:15,720 Adam Curry: Yeah, it goes up. It's crazy. 417 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:19,590 Dave Jones: Yeah. And, and it said it this was in addition to 418 00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:23,850 said they're going to do this just like blah blah blah and 419 00:25:23,850 --> 00:25:26,940 blah blah blah like these other people are these other companies 420 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:33,840 are already doing this. And so that that exactly. Like it 421 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,380 confirms what I was saying the last couple of weeks where the, 422 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:42,960 the the podcast consultants, the the the people who make their 423 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,000 money from podcast advertising, they are the ones driving the 424 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,200 narrative, correct that YouTube, is podcasting. Correct. And at 425 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,070 some point, if, if if everything sucks out of YouTube and all the 426 00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:59,250 money, if all the if all the YouTube money then ends up 427 00:25:59,250 --> 00:26:03,810 somewhere else, let's just say tick tock or something or some 428 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:06,810 other platform? Yes, they will then begin to call that 429 00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:08,880 Adam Curry: podcast. Oh, yeah, tick tock will be podcast and 430 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,340 you can already see that happening, that writing's on the 431 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:11,730 wall. 432 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:15,480 Dave Jones: I'm ashamed that it took me so long to understand 433 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720 why there was quote, unquote, confusion about what is a 434 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,230 podcast, there's no confusion. No, this is this is a this is 435 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:27,180 purposeful. And it's you know, the the other big issue of this 436 00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:30,900 week whether or not big issue, but the other kind of the 437 00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:35,220 scuttlebutt was, well, the number of unique the number of 438 00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:36,900 unique value for valet, well, 439 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:38,970 Adam Curry: I'm getting to that you're jumping. Jumping ahead. 440 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:41,040 No, no, you're jumping ahead of the game here. You're jumping 441 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,090 ahead. This is what's so beautiful. So first of all, you 442 00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:48,330 debase the money and the whole world did this. Everybody 443 00:26:48,330 --> 00:26:51,150 printed up trillions of dollars, that's why you have it. That's 444 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:53,790 why your steak costs more. That's why your steak isn't 445 00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:56,250 steak. That's why they're selling chicken that isn't just 446 00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:01,440 made out of that's made in a brewery that Yeah, but all 447 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,960 that's coming, all of that is coming. I mean, just walk to the 448 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,450 supermarket. And just look at the colors and look at the 449 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:10,710 ingredients. And it's sawdust you're eating saw dust and sand 450 00:27:10,890 --> 00:27:13,770 with colors and flavoring and texture. You're not eating real 451 00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:18,750 food. And it's gotten so bad now in America, where the majority 452 00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:22,050 of people are overweight or obese. And now we've got a pill 453 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:26,370 that literally just sucks the muscle out of you. And it makes 454 00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:30,060 you puke and shit and then and your and your brain goes on not 455 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:34,410 hungry. Wow, congratulations America. So I'm not hungry but 456 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:36,990 I've got pancreatic cancer so you know all this stuff is 457 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:41,280 happening. I guess I wrote cancer but who cares? I'm thin 458 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:46,140 all this stuff is because of the money debasement is about to get 459 00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:49,350 worse in Europe in October, they're going to launch the 460 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:52,410 digital euro, the central bank, digital currency, it's really 461 00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:56,520 happening. All these things are really, really happening. So at 462 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,040 the same time, we're seeing so the magic is gone. The magic 463 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:08,010 from of podcasting that happened on the heels of cereal, and then 464 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,500 the billion dollars that was pumped into the industry created 465 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:18,630 the podcast industrial complex by Spotify to be more precise 466 00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:24,060 Spotify investors with Joe Rogan with call me daddy with gimlet, 467 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:27,210 you know, the hundreds of millions of dollars each deal. 468 00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:30,480 That's, let's just let's just call it what it is. Everybody 469 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240 was looking for one of those deals, everybody. And if you 470 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,420 couldn't get a deal like that you could probably get you 471 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:41,100 could. You could produce a bipoc podcast or a women's podcast or, 472 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:45,090 as I hear people say anything but a 50 year old white guy 473 00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:51,390 podcast. I hear this a lot. It's very irritating. Yes. You know, 474 00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:57,000 there was money for that. It was an ESG checkmark box, dei 475 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,930 fulfillment, and the money is now gone. The cheap money now 476 00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:06,120 that interest rates have gone up is gone. So it's so bad now that 477 00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:10,830 Daniel Eck is bailing out he is he's, oh, I'm pulling back. I'm 478 00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:12,810 gonna hand over some responsibility to some other 479 00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:16,230 suckers who are gonna have to do the conference call. He is 480 00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:21,690 pulling his ass out. He's done. And he also failed. He was on 481 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:25,770 him. He was his big idea to do this his big idea to do the 482 00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:28,350 Hollywood thing which now everybody Oh, yeah, well, 483 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:31,560 probably wasn't a good idea to Hollywood con that up. Y'all, 484 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,220 we're all in on it. Come on. Of course everybody was all in Oh, 485 00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:38,130 it's gonna be great. Maybe I can get some of that Spotify money. 486 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:43,950 So it's over. And with that, new episodes are over with that 487 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:48,750 downloads are down. The number I heard was down 50% from 2019. 488 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:53,760 Well, of course in in podcasting is it's still interesting. 489 00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:58,560 People still want want to listen to to programming that they 490 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,250 enjoy and to be a part Out of communities that they enjoy. But 491 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:05,820 everything is down to all this about advertise. It's a lie. The 492 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:10,770 advertising is not up. It's down. Which means and the 493 00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:13,920 downloads being down is literally because people aren't 494 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,390 putting money into new shows. Well, yeah, no shit Sherlock is 495 00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:23,190 because there is no money left. There's nothing to pay for it at 496 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:26,280 these outrageous just go listen to get gimlet show what is now 497 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,720 podcast on Spotify studios, they have credits with 15 people on 498 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,750 it. This is no way there's no way that this works. So we have 499 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:43,680 downloads down ad revenues down. And then and I I understand if 500 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,060 you're coming from an old world thinking, which I'm going to try 501 00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:53,850 and explain again, that when you see value value for value users, 502 00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:59,370 the people sending value for value value back to podcasters. 503 00:30:59,610 --> 00:31:03,450 When that's down? Well, of course, there's less shows 504 00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:08,250 there's less downloads, however, isn't it interesting that the 505 00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:13,230 number of the the amount of value they send is up. Now this 506 00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:17,970 shows you where the world is headed. This is this is a very 507 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,250 important metric. Because value for value is not based on 508 00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:29,040 volume, it is based on interaction, the download, and 509 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,720 the ad insertion is all based on how many people you can trick 510 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,550 into listening or trick into downloading half a megabyte, or 511 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:43,260 watching two seconds of a video. It's all bull crap. And, and 512 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:47,070 it's not an interactive, it's a show and here's my show and 513 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:50,400 listen to this and that homme funny. Oh, we got to make shows 514 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,730 that are more resourceful. Whatever that means, know, what 515 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:58,080 is happening with value for value. It's a circle. It's a 516 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,980 loop, people get to feed something back, they feel a part 517 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:06,450 of it. If we have 12 splits in our value block. This is I need 518 00:32:06,450 --> 00:32:09,390 to I need to talk about this more often. But there's people 519 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:13,590 who who are just doing stuff, contributing for free doing it 520 00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:18,000 because they like it. And then they there they are, you know 521 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,630 they're consistent. And well, then hey, why don't why don't 522 00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:25,230 you? Why don't give you 5% of the person that comes in Dred 523 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:30,960 Scott, no agenda, all of it goes to the clip custodian, the clip 524 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,880 collector and Jeff Smith for the jingles. I mean, there's the 53% 525 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,720 is left over and that and we send that to the index. That's 526 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:46,710 the system that is the future of media is, is having your, your, 527 00:32:46,890 --> 00:32:51,090 your community, your audience be a part of what you're doing. 528 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,680 That is if value for value number four value dot info, go 529 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,430 back and reread it. It is not just a streaming payment 530 00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:04,680 mechanism. It is a format it is a philosophy. It is the future 531 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,420 of media that is not based on how many numbers? You know, how 532 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:13,290 many x do I have? Am I promoting all the right places? Is there 533 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:17,730 enough discovery and my feature in iTunes? No. The way it works 534 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:21,990 is you get people who like what you're doing, and can contribute 535 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:25,230 back in time, talent or treasure. And the beautiful 536 00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:29,190 thing is we made the treasure part, shareable amongst the 537 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:34,560 entire system, including the app that people use, including the 538 00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:37,950 the system that you use to put it all together, including the 539 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:41,100 producers that you that you have in there. The artists who do 540 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,150 artwork, this is the future of media. This is what the true 541 00:33:45,150 --> 00:33:50,640 people's media is, and it can be very successful. See this show. 542 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,020 This is not because Adam curry is here. He's not because Adam 543 00:33:55,020 --> 00:33:58,830 and Dave Jones are here. We started from zero. In fact, we 544 00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:02,370 started with negative five because we're two old white 545 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:06,330 dudes and we're straight. We're not even gay. So we started the 546 00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:11,670 negative 10. But we were serious about what we're doing. And 547 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,670 we're not taking any money from this. But that's not the point 548 00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:17,760 of it. We're building something we're building something with 549 00:34:17,850 --> 00:34:22,050 people you couldn't even afford the if you could even get the 550 00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:25,710 amount of talent that we have on podcast index social together, 551 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,740 you wouldn't be able to afford it and they wouldn't be able to 552 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:32,880 work together if you made a company this somehow we've this 553 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000 using the value for value methodology and the thought 554 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,580 pattern and having everybody contribute and and the listeners 555 00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:44,490 of the podcast, including this one. What do we have Dave 556 00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:53,130 12,000 9000 listeners not much. Look at op three that it's 557 00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:56,850 enough to keep it going and for us. You could see it as a hobby. 558 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,960 I mean Yeah, maybe. But I'm very proud of I've had I have I feel 559 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,140 better about this project and anything I've ever done in my 560 00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:09,090 life, including the first round of podcasting. It feels so good 561 00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:13,110 to be sharing it with everybody. That's it, and could we could we 562 00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:16,290 put money in our pocket? Yeah, we could, that would limit the 563 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,890 possible longevity of it. So we want to make sure that if we 564 00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:22,770 fall down or whatever, that you know that it can continue, 565 00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:27,000 that's just our personal choice. And we actually pay taxes on the 566 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,970 money that comes in, we do pay ourselves the amount for taxes, 567 00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:33,420 you know, so whatever our tax, taxable, whatever, we have to 568 00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:38,430 pay in taxes, we take that out, but otherwise, and so, but the 569 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:41,160 community, the love the brother and sisterhood, the 570 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,330 understanding, the looking out for each other, the laughter, 571 00:35:45,540 --> 00:35:48,900 the you know, picking each other up, when when someone stumbles 572 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,320 and pokes their eye out with some scissors. That's what makes 573 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,860 it beautiful. And you can do that with any community. That's 574 00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:59,490 what podcasting is. Now, if you're always searching for it 575 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:03,810 to be the next Beyonce or the next, Joe Rogan, know, there's 576 00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:08,460 gonna be five people like that. The five and that's it. And if 577 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,220 you're, if you're in it for that kind of level of success is just 578 00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:17,220 not going to happen. So when I see a conversation on the 579 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:20,850 GitHub, about what we should do this with dollars, it's like, 580 00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:26,130 wow, this is not possible. It is not possible with dollars. 581 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:29,760 Otherwise, I mean, what is being proposed? Literally, not GitHub, 582 00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:35,400 GitHub, GitHub, GitHub Fiat discussion, is FTX. You know, 583 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,640 it's like, 584 00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:38,700 Dave Jones: you can't you can't do that do that. You can't do 585 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:39,750 it. It's regulation. Yeah, 586 00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:42,000 Adam Curry: you literally cannot do that. Well, I don't have to 587 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,670 show my I don't have to do a know your customer for biscuits 588 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:47,340 at Amazon. Yeah. You couldn't do it. If we could put biscuits 589 00:36:47,340 --> 00:36:50,790 through the line. Yeah, that would work well. So you cannot 590 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:54,450 do it. This is the first time in history that micro payments have 591 00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:57,960 even been done successfully. With with with anything, I can't 592 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,620 think of another example where micro payments have actually 593 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:06,030 been used consistently by a large group of users. This is 594 00:37:06,030 --> 00:37:06,450 it. 595 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,920 Dave Jones: And if you run a non KYC exchange to do what that 596 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:12,510 thing says, You're going to jail, 597 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,790 Adam Curry: you're going to big time you're going to 598 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:16,890 Dave Jones: Yeah, you can't You're 599 00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:19,020 Adam Curry: not if you're Sam Backman freed, you know, 600 00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:23,610 actually go to jail. He lives near they live near the jail, 601 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,680 and stay with your mommy and daddy. Alright, so that, that is 602 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,330 what we are doing here. Now, besides all the other stuff, you 603 00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:36,450 know, all the namespace of all the great features that have 604 00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:40,200 come out of this, which is phenomenal. It's all because of 605 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,900 the developers and us who stayed in the game because of the value 606 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:51,240 exchange. And everybody has at least a way to pop into that 607 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:57,420 into that flow. And yeah, it's not a lot of money. But I mean, 608 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:01,860 I would do this for I would pay to do this. A lot of people 609 00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:04,350 would pay to do this, but because you have the whole 610 00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:10,770 philosophy of value for value, the whole thing just works. 611 00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:11,640 Well, I 612 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,790 Dave Jones: did I did pay to do it last year, based on my taxes 613 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:15,300 actually 614 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:17,670 Adam Curry: paid a little myself to 615 00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,430 Dave Jones: me like it was so much. What happened to me in 616 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:30,300 this is unfortunate is that because the we we the the income 617 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:34,770 from the index, passed me over a threshold to where everything 618 00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:38,190 changed exactly what happened. Exactly. And so like, I'm like, 619 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,640 No, it was it was like my tax bill was like $5,500 is what I 620 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,580 had to pay. And I'm used to paying zero. Yeah, because I 621 00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:51,000 always sort of calculate that out. And I was like, Oh, crap. 622 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:53,880 Yeah. So I just only so I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna take 623 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,990 half of this out of the index to pay half of it. And I'm just 624 00:38:57,990 --> 00:39:00,900 going to eat the other $2,500. That's basically what we did. So 625 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:05,940 I actually did pay last year to do this job. So like, Oh, good. 626 00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:10,680 Adam Curry: I was gonna say, what is happening right now is 627 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,120 that there is a candidate for president, who is literally 628 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,550 saying, I'm going to become president through podcasts. Now. 629 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:25,830 Yeah, he's on YouTube shows and on Rogen, Spotify and all this 630 00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:31,110 stuff. But the importance is the recognition that podcasting 631 00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:35,250 which because of us, because of this community, will actually be 632 00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:41,040 open and available to all with a value exchange. That's a massive 633 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:46,800 stuff we're doing here. That's incredible. And so everything 634 00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:51,360 it's all right now all this talk of video and YouTube, it's all 635 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,010 what is it when, when an adult when you shoot an animal and 636 00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:58,950 it's still kind of jerking around, what is that called 637 00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:59,220 rigor 638 00:39:59,220 --> 00:39:59,700 Dave Jones: mortis 639 00:39:59,729 --> 00:40:02,249 Adam Curry: doe Before before, before it actually dies, it's 640 00:40:02,249 --> 00:40:05,219 still, it still is jerking on the ground. 641 00:40:06,569 --> 00:40:08,939 Dave Jones: That's what it is jerky is called jerky because, 642 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,080 Adam Curry: like the podcast industrial complex is just is 643 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:19,470 dead. And it's just in the last throes of of life breath. And, 644 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:26,130 and at the same time emerging from that is a system that spans 645 00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:30,930 the globe, we have people from all over the world who are who 646 00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:35,010 are truly invested in making this work and see that vision, 647 00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:39,420 but we can't lose sight of what it is it's a value exchange, 648 00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:44,970 it's not just streaming dollars. Now, the whole concept is the 649 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:50,820 feedback mechanism, the value of of what a boost means the the 650 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:54,720 number that is included in a boost. You know, the idea that 651 00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:58,590 at any moment, it is up to you, you don't have to store $5 with 652 00:40:58,590 --> 00:41:02,190 some Yahoo company, you can say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna go 653 00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:06,690 get $100 of Bitcoin, I'm gonna send that to this podcast, you 654 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:11,340 are in control, no one else is in control. It is it is truly a 655 00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:17,460 unique moment. And it's growing, not shrinking, it's growing. 656 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,390 Dave Jones: If the ETF stuff goes, goes through, which I 657 00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:28,350 think it will, that's going to this is going to get easier, not 658 00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:31,950 harder, it will totally, it'll get easier. And there will be 659 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:37,380 more recognition, about about what the about how to do this. 660 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:41,130 This is not this is not going to this is not going to be 661 00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:46,200 difficult, long term. But so I mean, I make a decent living in 662 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,750 my day job. I mean, you know, and even I went through this 663 00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:54,480 past week and cancelled a bunch of subscriptions that I wasn't 664 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,520 using. So I mean, I had like, it was like $80, or something worth 665 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,290 of subscriptions. Every month, there was like a $19 month 666 00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:07,050 subscription to a podcast that I hadn't done. I've just lost 667 00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:10,380 track of I hadn't listened to it a long time. Another one that 668 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:14,250 was $7 a month. And, and I went through that. And then there was 669 00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:18,900 a string. I had to re cancel Netflix, because we had 670 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,990 reactivated it for something and then then forgot to cancel. Oh, 671 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,490 no. Yeah. So it's like 80 bucks worth of subscriptions to all 672 00:42:26,490 --> 00:42:29,730 these things. And like, you know, it's it's not that it's 673 00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:32,730 not good content. That's the thing. It's not that there's 674 00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:36,840 nothing on there that I would watch. Yes, the subscriptions to 675 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,570 the stuff the pod the podcast subscriptions that are canceled. 676 00:42:39,930 --> 00:42:44,970 And the and the end of the streaming thing. I just don't 677 00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:50,940 have time. And like there's so much that I don't have time for. 678 00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:54,300 And I've got two kids in college 80 bucks makes a difference. 679 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:58,500 Yes. So that's, that's more important to me than the content 680 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:03,960 is in the vet. Like, if you look at it. If you look at the graph, 681 00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:09,180 and I'm looking at it right now, the the value from there's this 682 00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:12,180 a couple of things to keep in mind. There's this really weird 683 00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:15,390 bubble that happened sometime in April that I still don't 684 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:19,770 understand. It was all of a sudden the unique cinders per 685 00:43:19,770 --> 00:43:24,330 day went from like 400 and something up to like 1200 I have 686 00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:27,540 no idea. It must have been somebody testing something I 687 00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:32,280 don't know. So just for the fact that that happened, tells you 688 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,760 you have to you have to have these you have to have a little 689 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,120 bit of skepticism about these numbers. Now think they're I 690 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,060 think they're mostly right. But this is not perfect. We have to 691 00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:48,210 remember that we in the value for value thing. The streaming 692 00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:52,440 SATs and the boost are intentionally obscured. There's 693 00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:56,520 there's private there's massive privacy here. Having perfect 694 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,920 user privacy means that you have you give up something you give 695 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,840 up starting to stay Yeah, exactly. You everything becomes 696 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,760 a fog so to speak. So the best you can do is estimate you can't 697 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:15,570 know these things first that you can't know that the Dave Jones 698 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:18,690 who boosted your show five minutes ago is the same Dave 699 00:44:18,690 --> 00:44:20,820 Jones that just boosted it. Now, 700 00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:23,040 Adam Curry: let me give you another example. Let me give you 701 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,660 an I have been living value for value with my day job no agenda 702 00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:34,380 for now in our 16th year. Huh? Very scary in the beginning. You 703 00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:42,090 get used to it during the lockdowns, pandemic, etc. And my 704 00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:46,530 first appearance on Rogen, we doubled everything. We doubled 705 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:53,220 in female listeners, we doubled in income and you know now with 706 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:58,590 inflation and everything, it's gone down. The beauty of it is 707 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,450 and we're talking On average 400 donors per show, and that's from 708 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:11,520 $1 to $1,000. And, and we give everybody all the numbers $50. 709 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:17,190 And up, what hurt us very badly was the Pay Pal pocalypse a lot 710 00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:21,540 of people had on long going on ongoing subscriptions, they got 711 00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:25,920 pissed off, they cancelled and they, they never, they never 712 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,430 came back with a subscription that hurt us a lot. So we're 713 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:35,970 down 15% Probably from that. But it's an it's a, it's an evolving 714 00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:40,260 conversation we have with everybody. And we said, look, 715 00:45:41,130 --> 00:45:45,000 we're down, we need more money, we need more value, we need all 716 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,150 kinds of things. And we're and we and we're getting the time 717 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:52,890 and talent in droves. And then people just do it, they step up. 718 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:56,430 People who haven't haven't donated for two years now it's 719 00:45:56,430 --> 00:45:59,280 time for me to do something. Because we ask we're honest, 720 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,650 this is this is the thing you have to get over. And and and I 721 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:08,880 mean, I hear so much beauty happening on no agenda stream. 722 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:12,900 And with the with the value for value live stuff this is this is 723 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:18,450 by the way doing this live, is if you're into if you need 724 00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:23,400 money, if you need monetary value, do it live. Because that 725 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,030 interaction is crazy. People love that they love seeing 726 00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:29,820 their, you know, their boost amount show up in the in the 727 00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:33,480 chat room with the boost BOD and you're in the pew pew. And it's 728 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,050 all kinds of mechanisms that make people feel a part of what 729 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:40,740 is happening. And what is going on. This is what we have to 730 00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:44,610 understand. It's the same thing happened in the blogging, Andrew 731 00:46:44,610 --> 00:46:46,830 Sullivan, you know, oh, I'm making a million dollars 732 00:46:46,830 --> 00:46:48,930 blogging, everyone starts blogging, I'm gonna make a 733 00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:52,020 million dollars. No, you're not. You're not. 734 00:46:52,499 --> 00:46:54,779 Dave Jones: You've been say you've been seeing this for 735 00:46:54,779 --> 00:46:58,109 years, the ups and downs have no agenda, you know, the summer, 736 00:46:58,289 --> 00:46:59,999 summer starts donations, 737 00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:05,130 Adam Curry: donations to Oh, you get holiday weekends, it by the 738 00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:07,020 way, we work on holidays, 739 00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:11,760 Dave Jones: politic, political, the political season starts, 740 00:47:11,790 --> 00:47:15,570 donations go up, things happens, things happen within the 741 00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:20,400 movement of society that will affect this. And the I think the 742 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:27,180 really critical point is that all of these attempts, by by 743 00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:32,520 creators to try to try to mute that have that effect don't 744 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,020 work, you think that subscriptions are going to help 745 00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:40,980 to make it to help stabilize your income. But they don't, 746 00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:43,860 it's a fiction. Because just like I did this week, I 747 00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:46,260 cancelled a bunch of subscriptions. When things 748 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,950 happen and people need to pull back, there are going to pull 749 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:53,670 back, it doesn't matter if they're a subscription or not, 750 00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:58,380 they are going to cancel they're going to pull back. And then so 751 00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:01,650 like you have, there's only I mean, there's really only like 752 00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:04,770 four ways you can you can only think of about four different 753 00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:08,700 ways. You can make money, you can get money into podcasting, 754 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:16,710 advertising, open subscription, pay walled subscriptions. And 755 00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:20,280 value for value. That's there's some Venn diagram overlap with 756 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,950 some of that with some of the like a, like an open 757 00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:25,980 subscription model that sort of a value for value like 758 00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:30,030 mechanism. But if you average it out, let's just say your podcast 759 00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:34,710 goes 20 years, the average all of those different methods out, 760 00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:37,920 you're probably going to end up in about the same place no 761 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,270 matter no matter what, when it comes because the what in what 762 00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:45,810 matters in a free market is the consumer and what they can bear. 763 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:51,360 Do the best thing you can do is give your give your audience the 764 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:57,270 ability to pay you what they feel. Because they feel better 765 00:48:57,270 --> 00:49:01,380 about that arrangement. Don't feel like there's a there's an 766 00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:05,670 attempted lock in they don't they people hate paywalls that 767 00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:09,420 you want to see what we're in the one thing that's not really 768 00:49:09,930 --> 00:49:13,890 it's being talked about, but not exactly like this. All of the 769 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:18,540 talk around Reddit and Twitter and the sites that are that are 770 00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:22,020 taking their API's and charging a fortune for them now out of 771 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:27,780 the blue. We're seeing the slow motion, destruction of the web. 772 00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:33,420 That's what had all everybody is going to ad blockers and, and 773 00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:37,290 privacy to block targeting. And you're seeing that the sites 774 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,860 that used to just throw a banner ads and be fine, they they are 775 00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:46,050 hurting, everybody is hurting right now. And that that's that 776 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:53,610 process to think that that to think that your interaction with 777 00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:56,160 your audience or your relationship with your readers 778 00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,000 or listeners or whatever is going to be helped by putting 779 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,530 getting behind a paywall, or tailing them popping up an 780 00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:07,500 interstitial and saying, Hey, would you can you please disable 781 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,160 your ad blocker? I'm sorry. The funniest thing to me is 782 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,000 listening to all the ad supported people ad supported 783 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,040 like podcasters. And people that will turn around and tell you 784 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,250 that they all use ad blockers. And they all skip ads. Yeah. 785 00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,930 It's universal. I mean, every one every one, every one, every 786 00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:33,120 single one of them. So and yeah, so I just think like when it 787 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,570 comes to So, at the same time, I'll say that this is an 788 00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:39,450 important point, I forgot about this. At the same time that I 789 00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:42,780 cancelled those other subscriptions. I took out two 790 00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:47,310 new started two new subscriptions. One was to 791 00:50:47,310 --> 00:50:50,610 accidental tech podcast, which I listened I listened to mostly 792 00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:53,580 from my day job because I really have to, because I do a lot of 793 00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:55,650 tech support. I have to keep up with going what's going on in 794 00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:59,040 the app world. I don't want that show to go away. Go. Right, 795 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:04,230 right. And I have been noticing, as I'm sure any other listeners 796 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:08,490 of theirs has their ad load has been going down. Sure. And then 797 00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:11,160 all of a sudden, a few weeks ago, they started doing house 798 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,920 ads saying please become a member, please become a 799 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,640 subscriber, please become because we're hurting. And I'm 800 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,550 like, Okay, fine. Sure. I will, I will absolutely go do that. 801 00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:22,620 They don't give me the option for value for values 802 00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:24,930 Adam Curry: you're more, give more to give more, you would 803 00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:26,970 give more, I'm sure you would give them more 804 00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:30,840 Dave Jones: esalaam can just on principle, just on principle. 805 00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:35,820 And then the other the other one is I started an automatic boost, 806 00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:41,610 weekly boost to coder radio. Because Chris also got Chris 807 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,360 Fisher also got on the show and said, Hey, are Linode 808 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,250 sponsorship dropped? Oh, no, no, 809 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,650 Adam Curry: they didn't renew that was big for them, too. 810 00:51:49,710 --> 00:51:50,250 Yeah, that's 811 00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:52,260 Dave Jones: a hard one. So I'm like, Okay, you're getting an 812 00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:53,760 auto boost every every week, 813 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,590 Adam Curry: how are you doing the auto boost? How you doing 814 00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:55,860 that? 815 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,880 Dave Jones: Just with a cron job. The same way I do with I've 816 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:00,990 got four other shows that 817 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920 Adam Curry: I would love, I would love to have auto in the 818 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,310 in the apps, I would be used to I wouldn't be using it. Well, 819 00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:08,490 but 820 00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:11,730 Dave Jones: that goes back to your point, which is if you talk 821 00:52:11,730 --> 00:52:14,010 to your audience, which is a critical piece of value for 822 00:52:14,010 --> 00:52:18,840 value, if you tell them what's going on. They that gives them 823 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,010 the opportunity to come to your rescue and help you. And that's 824 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:25,170 what that's exactly what but if you don't if you don't talk to 825 00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:28,800 your audience, they don't know. I mean, like we we just I mean, 826 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,460 you gotta be you don't have to go ridiculous within post your 827 00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:35,970 bank statements. But I mean, some level of transparency. Just 828 00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:38,460 like I said a while ago, I'm like, you know, this, this 829 00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:42,450 project cost me over two grand last year. That's it just if 830 00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:44,160 you're honest with your audience, and tell them where 831 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,620 they're at. I mean, there's mutual respect that happens and 832 00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:50,850 they will help. We all will because we're all we all care. 833 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,360 If you're listening to content, and you hear the person who's 834 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,420 making the content, say, Hey, we're really struggling or hey, 835 00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:00,060 we need you, you need you to step up. You're going you're 836 00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:02,910 every one of us is going to do that. Every one of us 837 00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:06,000 Adam Curry: and to celebrate value for value and true 838 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,360 podcasting, 2.0 cents and fashion. We're going to play a 839 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,660 song. Hey, citizen, 840 00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:18,510 Unknown: some podcasts are special, and some are a bit of a 841 00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:25,920 bore. Some start with an ad read, you've probably heard them 842 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:33,630 before. But some have a model that's tested and true. Where 843 00:53:33,630 --> 00:53:40,080 you get to pay whatever it's worth to you. I'm so grateful 844 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:49,440 for that. All I want is to boost it right back. So I say thank 845 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:56,160 you for the value that I've been given. Thanks for providing the 846 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:02,190 means to listen free from any sponsors, you keep your 847 00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:13,200 integrity without posting a file on an RSS feed. So I say thank 848 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:24,420 you for the value for giving it to me. Exceptional podcasts are 849 00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:34,590 great, but they're rarely produced more reason to help 850 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:44,040 them along with a boost. And I've often wondered, how did it 851 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:50,460 begin? Who found out that time or talents could be sent in just 852 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:59,490 like treasure cash? Well, whoever it was, I'm fine. So I 853 00:54:59,490 --> 00:55:05,940 say A thank you for the value that I've been given. Thanks for 854 00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:12,660 providing the means to listen free from any sponsors, you keep 855 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:23,850 your integrity without posting a file on an RSS feed. So I say 856 00:55:23,850 --> 00:55:37,740 thank you for the value for giving it to me I am so lucky, I 857 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:48,960 have a fancy podcast. I want to sing it out to every Buddy, what 858 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:56,670 a joy. What a nice, boost the grant thank you for the value 859 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:04,080 that I've been given. Thanks for providing the means to listen 860 00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:12,930 free from any sponsors, you keep your integrity without if you 861 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:20,610 post the file on an RSS feed. So I say thank you for the value 862 00:56:20,670 --> 00:56:30,540 for giving it to me. So I say thank you for the value for 863 00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:35,190 gaming forgiving yet to me. 864 00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:38,670 Adam Curry: And we'd like to support a citizen go back and 865 00:56:38,670 --> 00:56:42,900 listen to this and Todd friend or Piero caster and boostin we 866 00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,410 put the split in for the value times for the beautiful 867 00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:53,460 Dave Jones: sounds hilarious. Yeah, I didn't get a chuckle and 868 00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:54,270 my sets. 869 00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,850 Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, I didn't ask for him to do that. 870 00:56:56,910 --> 00:56:59,940 Yeah, that's that's value for value. That's literally Why Why 871 00:56:59,940 --> 00:57:04,260 should Whoa 10,000 SATs from Dave Jones. Nice. Yeah, I 872 00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:11,670 Dave Jones: love this guy. So well, we'll talk about this more 873 00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:17,640 with with Alex next week, but he put in his seats at the boost 874 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:25,110 bot and modified it to be like XMPP based into peer tube. Or 875 00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:28,140 not that it's not excuse me, it's not in peer tube. It's the 876 00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:30,930 code is not in there. It's running a separate process, but 877 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:36,360 he hooked it into the XMPP room. So like if you go in, we're 878 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360 playing with it the other night. I was doing a live stream of 879 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,980 some coding and he was and he was boosting into my peer Tube 880 00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:47,130 channel. And then it was being posted it was getting posted to 881 00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:51,810 the XMPP room that we're all in. So like this is when we when we 882 00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:55,890 get the so with the podcast colon chat tag, uh huh. 883 00:57:57,090 --> 00:58:01,140 implemented with an XMPP protocol that 884 00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:03,810 Adam Curry: you can basically plug it into everything right 885 00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:06,150 you can plug XMPP into everything. 886 00:58:06,569 --> 00:58:11,099 Dave Jones: Yeah, that does using IBANs boost bytecode and 887 00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:17,819 so which is another so he wanted to do a test today of the social 888 00:58:17,819 --> 00:58:22,079 interact tag because he wanted he wants he modified the boost 889 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:28,079 bot to be able to boost the social interact tag so that it 890 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,799 would then the boost would then come through on Mastodon or 891 00:58:31,799 --> 00:58:36,419 excuse me an activity pub right using that instead of just hard 892 00:58:36,419 --> 00:58:37,949 coded into activity pub. 893 00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:41,640 Adam Curry: Well I did put it in I put the the social interact 894 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,140 tag in as requested. 895 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,310 Dave Jones: Okay, I thought I was looking at it right before 896 00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:52,650 we went, I think in a theme he was saying something about it. 897 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,440 He didn't think it was working, but I'm gonna go back and check 898 00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,630 real quick. We'll see he had a post. Maybe like just a few 899 00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:06,990 minutes before we pulled the trigger. So here it is. Looks 900 00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:12,840 like you added it. And it did not work the URL and it is bla 901 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,360 bla bla which does not look like a valid post. Oh, yeah, if you 902 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,540 click on the URL for the linter 903 00:59:21,690 --> 00:59:24,660 Adam Curry: Oh, why is that not Oh, that's sucks 904 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,830 Dave Jones: How do you see that post? Yeah, 905 00:59:28,830 --> 00:59:31,050 Adam Curry: no, I see it. I see. Well, what did i What did I do 906 00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:36,660 wrong? Oh man, hold on a second. 907 00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:41,010 Dave Jones: Oh, this this linking to no agenda. So should 908 00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:41,550 that be on? 909 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,970 Adam Curry: I see what happened. Ha second. Let me see. I can 910 00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:53,250 change this on the fly with it. Why not? Here we go. Really? 911 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,850 Alright, hold on now. Do I? Yeah. Okay. 912 00:59:57,060 --> 00:59:59,280 Dave Jones: Why don't I just post something and you use it or 913 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,140 you just use the one Did I post it? Don't use it. 914 01:00:01,170 --> 01:00:03,780 Adam Curry: That's probably better. Yeah, that was That was 915 01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:08,280 my mistake because I was trying to be fancy. Okay. I'll use the 916 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,080 social interact for the one that running with scissors. Okay, 917 01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:13,680 hold on. 918 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:16,350 Dave Jones: I'm so good at this. But it was the one this is my 919 01:00:16,350 --> 01:00:18,570 time for the board meeting one. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's 920 01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:19,500 one right. Okay. Okay. 921 01:00:19,830 --> 01:00:25,860 Adam Curry: click, Save, publish. Okay. Boom. All right. 922 01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:26,910 What are you laughing at? 923 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:29,310 Dave Jones: I just love him because this is all being 924 01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:30,810 changed. We're being 925 01:00:30,810 --> 01:00:33,630 Adam Curry: crazy, baby. Crazy. Crazy. Alright, so now that 926 01:00:33,630 --> 01:00:36,270 should start showing up. Anything that happens now. Any 927 01:00:36,270 --> 01:00:41,280 booths, I guess would show up. Underneath the underneath your 928 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,010 post time for the board meeting right now. I have 929 01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:46,980 Dave Jones: no idea. Dead behavior. undefined. I have no 930 01:00:46,980 --> 01:00:47,700 idea. That's the 931 01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,340 Adam Curry: idea. I believe so. But yeah, it has the idea. Yeah. 932 01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:54,300 So we'll have to would have to reload the feed, I guess to to 933 01:00:54,330 --> 01:00:58,380 get the changes. Changes. 934 01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:01,080 Dave Jones: Question. That is a big question, Mark. I don't 935 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,690 know. I don't know how that I'm not sure where he's pulling 936 01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:06,000 stuff from either. They would have to be from our feed. But 937 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,890 then like, how often does he refresh? 938 01:01:09,780 --> 01:01:12,870 Adam Curry: It's up. It's up there. I've done I've done the 939 01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:16,680 bidness. You did your part. I did. The Ben did my thing. Yeah, 940 01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:17,400 absolutely. 941 01:01:17,729 --> 01:01:19,709 Dave Jones: That quick. That thing we were talking about a 942 01:01:19,709 --> 01:01:24,959 while ago, though? I had. I had been thinking about this. You 943 01:01:24,959 --> 01:01:27,899 know, I'm glad I don't? Did you see that Pocket Casts raised 944 01:01:27,899 --> 01:01:32,639 their price for like, their premium thing to $39 a year? No, 945 01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:33,419 I'm like, nine. 946 01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:36,480 Adam Curry: I haven't followed pocket cat Pocket Cast, because 947 01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:40,410 they don't do anything they say they're gonna do. So sure. 948 01:01:40,439 --> 01:01:46,319 Dave Jones: But like, but I think I, I liked that they did 949 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:51,179 this. Because I was thinking about if you add up so that like 950 01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,679 a lot of people were like, Oh, my gosh, 13 $40 a year? Whoa. 951 01:01:56,399 --> 01:01:59,219 But if you think about it, I mean, you're paying way more 952 01:01:59,219 --> 01:02:06,179 than that for like Disney plus, Paramount plus, HBO Max. I mean, 953 01:02:06,179 --> 01:02:10,559 you're paying 100 bucks a year minimum for those services. And 954 01:02:10,709 --> 01:02:14,309 think about how many hours of content you consume in 955 01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:18,569 podcasting versus those it's got it's at least equivalent. Now. I 956 01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,960 Adam Curry: understand I'm, but you know, Pocket Casts is just 957 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,990 it's the platform is not, you know, they're not responsible 958 01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:25,920 for the content. 959 01:02:26,550 --> 01:02:28,890 Dave Jones: I just appreciate that they're raising the bar on 960 01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:31,860 what on what on the what the value of a podcast app in 961 01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:34,260 general is I think that'll lift all the boats a little bit. 962 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,720 Adam Curry: I'm with you on that. But I think they would 963 01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:40,020 they would make more money if they went full on if they 964 01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,800 supported value for value. And they took me Oh, 5% or whatever. 965 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,600 10%. Do whatever you want. It's all worth it. To 100% 100%. 966 01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:53,760 Agree I would I would be more impressed with them. I'm not I'm 967 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,040 just not that impressed me out there was supposed to they 968 01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,060 haven't done anything for the pod standards group, which as 969 01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:03,180 far as I'm concerned, is this as dead as the podcast industrial 970 01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:04,050 complex? 971 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,980 Dave Jones: We did. I did. have a talk with Tom Rossi about the 972 01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:13,710 verification tag though. Speaking of podcast standards 973 01:03:13,710 --> 01:03:18,630 group, yeah. Or podcast, I think they're kind of podcast 974 01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:19,950 authorization tag. 975 01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:22,620 Adam Curry: Well, let me just go to their website for a moment. 976 01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:27,240 Let me look at the blog. Oh, look, it's still the original 977 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:34,740 posts well done. And for all the noise man for all the noise. 978 01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:39,780 This is this is this is what always happens with these 979 01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:44,400 podcasts industrial complex type initiatives. 980 01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:50,010 Dave Jones: I just am loathe to criticize, because I know how 981 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,020 difficult I know why they wanted to do it. And I know how hard it 982 01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:57,870 is to actually accomplish the thing they want to accomplish. 983 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:01,350 Oh, it's not possible. That's what that's what you said at the 984 01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:04,170 beginning. You were like, This is not possible. 985 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,930 Adam Curry: And I said, I support them. I said, and we 986 01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:09,420 supported them with us. I stopped the value split. I 987 01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:13,680 stopped that, you know, we're just giving them funding for not 988 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:19,230 doing anything. So I mean, when when was this thing posted? 989 01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:22,560 There's not even a date on when this this blog post was posted. 990 01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:28,680 But this there's been nothing there's been 00 it's just zero. 991 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,690 So I'm sorry, you know, it's like, I know how hard this is. 992 01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:36,750 You can't be done with it just can't. 993 01:04:37,650 --> 01:04:41,580 Dave Jones: It's hard. It's it is not just hard. It's almost 994 01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:47,520 impossible. You know, the only time it's see I just think that 995 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:56,490 I don't know what I'm trying to get. I feel like the it's a they 996 01:04:56,490 --> 01:05:05,070 wanted a good thing and And the comparison was with, like the W 997 01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:09,240 three C three C standards group and places like that. And that's 998 01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:15,000 that is a no, that is a good comparison to make. Except I 999 01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:19,230 think there's apples and oranges there in this in this respect. 1000 01:05:21,630 --> 01:05:26,700 The W three C standards group was made up of a very small 1001 01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:31,920 number of huge companies. And they are the ones firmly in 1002 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,270 control. When you have that situation, you can pretty much 1003 01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:40,980 ran through whatever you want to do. Because ultimately, what is 1004 01:05:40,980 --> 01:05:45,090 the three, what the HTML Working Group and the W three standards 1005 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,290 bodies do? All that stuff ultimately gets filtered down 1006 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:56,460 into really one or two, HTML rendering engines? What what's 1007 01:05:56,460 --> 01:06:01,830 happening here in the podcasts in the podcasting world, is all 1008 01:06:01,830 --> 01:06:05,310 of those standards have to get filtered down amongst dozens of 1009 01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:09,390 hosting companies, and podcast applications, and third party 1010 01:06:09,390 --> 01:06:14,220 platform providers. It's it's a, it's a different, like, it's a 1011 01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:18,870 different thing when you have Apple, Microsoft and Mozilla 1012 01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:29,250 who's whose ultimate advice ends up in the Safari, Mozilla and 1013 01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:34,530 chromium engine. Those and we throw Microsoft in there, they 1014 01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:37,260 can pretty much do whatever they want and implement whatever they 1015 01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:41,820 want in a very quick and efficient manner. The podcast 1016 01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:47,790 industry is so much more scattered than that. It's like 1017 01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:51,930 herding cats. It's basically impossible to get any and some 1018 01:06:51,930 --> 01:06:55,620 people I think, also, this is clear that this happened when 1019 01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:59,340 the podcast industry reached out to certain individuals, when app 1020 01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:01,380 developers and that kind of thing they got pissed that 1021 01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:03,330 developers got pissed off and said I don't want you telling me 1022 01:07:03,330 --> 01:07:08,280 what to do. Like that's just it's just so hard to do so 1023 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,610 Adam Curry: but the whole okay, what is the mission of the pod 1024 01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:14,280 standards group? What is their mission 1025 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,120 Dave Jones: the same the same essential mission as what the W 1026 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,590 three C does is create standards and so that you have a spec for 1027 01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:28,740 for podcast platforms and players to adhere to I disagree. 1028 01:07:29,460 --> 01:07:33,240 Adam Curry: What I read everywhere is we want open 1029 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,380 podcasting, Apple and Spotify you should listen to us do 1030 01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:40,380 participate with what we're doing over here, please. It's 1031 01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:46,710 the same same stuff, waiting for the big companies to listen to 1032 01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:49,980 the little guys. And it's never gonna happen. But let me tell 1033 01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:55,170 you what did happen. Or what or what what is happening? No 1034 01:07:55,170 --> 01:08:00,270 agenda. I'm looking at op three stats here. I think we we make 1035 01:08:00,270 --> 01:08:06,780 up a large percentage of the op three stats, I think we have 1036 01:08:06,780 --> 01:08:16,260 921,331 unique audience members per month. Not too shabby. So 1037 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:22,770 that's number and let's look at the top apps for May. Apple 36%. 1038 01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:28,710 Then there's unknown Apple app 15%. Guess who's number three. 1039 01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:32,669 Dave Jones: I'm gonna say pod verse pod 1040 01:08:32,669 --> 01:08:37,889 Adam Curry: verse 10%. Podcast addict was 7%. Then comes 1041 01:08:37,889 --> 01:08:42,089 overcast with five then comes Pocket Casts with four. Then 1042 01:08:42,089 --> 01:08:44,939 comes fountain with just a little bit under Pocket Casts. 1043 01:08:45,329 --> 01:08:51,359 Then comes Google, Stitcher. castbox, etc. and why? Because 1044 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:54,929 we're working with the app developer not directly. I'm 1045 01:08:54,929 --> 01:08:59,189 telling people use pod verse that's all I'm doing. Use pod 1046 01:08:59,189 --> 01:09:01,109 verse you can listen live. It's pretty cool. 1047 01:09:01,649 --> 01:09:03,989 Dave Jones: This no these no agenda stats, you're talking 1048 01:09:03,989 --> 01:09:04,889 better podcasting. 2.0 1049 01:09:04,890 --> 01:09:08,850 Adam Curry: no agenda stats. 10% for pod verse. 1050 01:09:09,329 --> 01:09:14,729 Dave Jones: That's a lot. Yes. 10% Of a have 150 to 900,000 1051 01:09:14,759 --> 01:09:17,939 unique listeners. I mean, like how many how many unique 1052 01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:18,479 listeners as you 1053 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:22,199 Adam Curry: say 921,900 21,000. 1054 01:09:22,199 --> 01:09:26,039 Dave Jones: So that's that's almost 100,000 people using pod 1055 01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:28,109 verse as their app as their 1056 01:09:28,109 --> 01:09:30,149 Adam Curry: app of choice on a monthly basis. Yeah. 1057 01:09:30,810 --> 01:09:32,820 Dave Jones: So you know, fantastic. 1058 01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:37,890 Adam Curry: Yeah. So you know, I don't like sitting in groups. 1059 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,450 You know, I like doing I like doing so you know, Apple can do 1060 01:09:42,450 --> 01:09:45,240 whatever they want. But eventually those numbers will 1061 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:50,040 overtake apple. They will. Now I'm starting to target women. 1062 01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:51,840 It's a known fact that women 1063 01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:55,500 Dave Jones: please so but that 1064 01:09:58,619 --> 01:10:01,259 Adam Curry: it's a known fact that we Women use stuff on the 1065 01:10:01,259 --> 01:10:07,049 web browser. So I'm like, No, this has to stop. We need to we 1066 01:10:07,049 --> 01:10:09,659 need to get women using apps. 1067 01:10:12,029 --> 01:10:15,059 Dave Jones: And women use stuff on the web browser men do to 1068 01:10:15,299 --> 01:10:17,069 actually they we all use stuff yeah 1069 01:10:17,069 --> 01:10:19,199 Adam Curry: but it's a known fact that more women 1070 01:10:21,329 --> 01:10:23,129 Dave Jones: just the way you're wording things it's funny to me. 1071 01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:26,280 Adam Curry: Does anyone I saw bought that or not I don't think 1072 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,190 anyone did that. I don't think the ISO bought it. Come on 1073 01:10:29,190 --> 01:10:31,890 people were are Yeah, I still bought it. I still bought it. I 1074 01:10:31,890 --> 01:10:32,490 bought it. 1075 01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:38,069 Dave Jones: Did you give did you give Nathan Gaither is 1076 01:10:38,069 --> 01:10:39,659 transcribed on FM the world? 1077 01:10:39,989 --> 01:10:45,239 Adam Curry: I did. And I broke it. Of course. Yay. Well, it 1078 01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:49,409 worked on a I did a one hour Korean the keeper that worked. 1079 01:10:49,409 --> 01:10:52,769 But I noticed the SRT file which I use, I didn't want to mess 1080 01:10:52,769 --> 01:10:59,009 with anything else. Didn't have speaker names. So. So I said, 1081 01:10:59,009 --> 01:11:02,879 Hey, can you fix that he fixed it. And then I uploaded a no 1082 01:11:02,879 --> 01:11:06,539 agenda. And that broke the system. Although he says yeah, 1083 01:11:06,539 --> 01:11:08,879 it's still there, or whatever absorbed I don't know. But I'll 1084 01:11:08,879 --> 01:11:12,479 try it again, the speed with which it did work for the for 1085 01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,379 the one and one hour and 20 minute show was phenomenal. And 1086 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,739 it looked like the transcription was pretty decent. Because 1087 01:11:19,739 --> 01:11:24,899 otter.ai that I'm using is you know, is marginal. Any, any 1088 01:11:24,899 --> 01:11:28,409 transcribe system that can successfully get Jhansi Dvorak 1089 01:11:28,409 --> 01:11:34,229 out, and, and transcribe that successfully is going to be good 1090 01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:39,089 in my book. So I can't wait. And I'd like for it to be tightly 1091 01:11:39,089 --> 01:11:39,689 integrated. 1092 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,770 Dave Jones: Is there Nathan? Is there going to be an API for 1093 01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:46,290 this? Because if there is, we'll just 1094 01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,379 Adam Curry: be badass. Yeah, badass that just, you know, hook 1095 01:11:49,379 --> 01:11:54,269 that into to sovereign feeds. That will do an automatic 1096 01:11:54,269 --> 01:11:58,049 payment, you know, I set my payment amount now I do. Let me 1097 01:11:58,049 --> 01:12:05,099 see I do 123456. So I do about 16 shows a month. Who's Am I 1098 01:12:05,099 --> 01:12:12,059 saying that right? 1234 between 16 and 20. So, you know, I'll do 1099 01:12:12,059 --> 01:12:15,329 5000 SATs a show. It'll be a little bit more expensive than 1100 01:12:15,419 --> 01:12:18,629 than otter, but you know, it'll be real money. 1101 01:12:19,650 --> 01:12:21,600 Dave Jones: Oh, Nathan said he's already talking to Steven B 1102 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,040 about integrating with this was 1103 01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:26,910 Adam Curry: so much I love that we need sovereign feeds on Star 1104 01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:29,970 nine. My star I love the star nine guys. They're getting so 1105 01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:31,020 close to being good. 1106 01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:35,820 Dave Jones: So that's been good. Yeah, that would be a direct 1107 01:12:35,820 --> 01:12:37,800 integration would be pretty nice. Because then you could 1108 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,080 just in the sovereign phase dashboard, you could just pop 1109 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,470 the transcript, let it finish and then upload altogether. Yep. 1110 01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:46,080 Rather than having to have the web hook do all the work 1111 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,000 perfect. It'd be pretty nice. 1112 01:12:49,109 --> 01:12:52,739 Adam Curry: So much fun. And have you seen being it.io? 1113 01:12:53,699 --> 01:12:57,179 Dave Jones: You I've seen you send me links to it because I'll 1114 01:12:57,179 --> 01:12:59,729 send you a an article and you're like, yep, Barton talked about 1115 01:12:59,729 --> 01:13:01,469 it being it being in length. 1116 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,470 Adam Curry: It you know, so dread Bless his heart. He 1117 01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:10,440 transcribed all 1568 no agenda episodes must have cost him a 1118 01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:15,030 fortune, because I think he did on otter. So he transcribed 1119 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:18,570 every single one, we don't have no show notes, but maybe from 1120 01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:25,020 Episode 300 on or something because a lot got lost. But very 1121 01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:29,520 much like. So the difference with this between what Steven b 1122 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:35,700 Did the transcript tool.com You know, that only that can only 1123 01:13:35,730 --> 01:13:41,850 look at transcripts that are in your feed. But what Dino did. 1124 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:49,560 He's also on podcast index on social. But he indexed all 1568 1125 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:54,000 transcripts and made it searchable. And he you know, he 1126 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,700 broke it down by chunk of you know, like 10 lines or 1127 01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:59,610 something. And so you search for something and he has some good 1128 01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:02,400 fuzzy logic in there, you know, you can board some Boolean type 1129 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:08,280 stuff for humans, you know, all terms, all texts, etc. And, man, 1130 01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:12,150 I mean, I've found stuff that I had no idea where to find the 1131 01:14:12,150 --> 01:14:14,280 link or the story or whatever, and I found it in the 1132 01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,160 transcript, you click on the link, boom, it starts playing at 1133 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:21,360 that point part in the podcast. It's amazing, using trig that 1134 01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:25,440 that to me is such a valuable use of transcripts. It's off the 1135 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:25,890 hook. 1136 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:32,490 Dave Jones: That's Oh, we get a I don't know if you're seeing 1137 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,910 maybe the maybe the cross outcome and boosting is maybe it 1138 01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:36,780 is working now. 1139 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,810 Adam Curry: Oh, let me let me check. So I might be able to see 1140 01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:44,280 that in the ceiling. Casting next is social. 1141 01:14:45,540 --> 01:14:47,820 Dave Jones: Wow. Should this did it come in at some 1142 01:14:47,820 --> 01:14:50,670 Adam Curry: real scissor stuff, man. Okay, let me see. 1143 01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:54,749 Dave Jones: Maybe they're just testing. I'm not seeing it yet. 1144 01:14:54,809 --> 01:14:58,289 Make sure Wait, no, I'm seeing it now. Yep. Yeah, there it 1145 01:14:58,289 --> 01:14:58,649 came. 1146 01:14:58,709 --> 01:15:00,689 Adam Curry: Where's it where's it? posting though, 1147 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,030 Dave Jones: so it's posting to well, it's coming through on 1148 01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:06,570 podcast index dot social, but if that's the case, it will be 1149 01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:09,990 attached to my root post which should also come through on the 1150 01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:10,770 podcast index. 1151 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,930 Adam Curry: I don't see an on podcast index or social. 1152 01:15:14,130 --> 01:15:16,530 Dave Jones: Go to my root posting refresh. That's what I 1153 01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:19,050 just did. It is showing up for me. 1154 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,300 Adam Curry: Well, you're just better than me. 1155 01:15:23,130 --> 01:15:24,150 Dave Jones: Negative i still 1156 01:15:24,150 --> 01:15:26,730 Adam Curry: have Dred Scott there. Let me see refresh. 1157 01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:30,870 Dave Jones: Oh, well, we're not we're not we're not showing the 1158 01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:32,730 I don't know. You have to wait till after the show. 1159 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,210 Adam Curry: I don't I don't I only see drab saying we're live. 1160 01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:39,600 That's all I see. You have something under that. I do have 1161 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,120 a bunch of boosts under that. I don't have anything under that. 1162 01:15:42,689 --> 01:15:44,849 Dave Jones: I drive you a hard reflex. 1163 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:46,680 Adam Curry: What do you think I am a newbie. 1164 01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:51,300 Dave Jones: Did you do Ctrl Shift? R 1165 01:15:51,329 --> 01:15:56,099 Adam Curry: Yes. I don't know. Why is that not working from his 1166 01:15:56,099 --> 01:15:56,369 work? 1167 01:15:56,609 --> 01:15:57,419 Dave Jones: I'm seeing it. 1168 01:15:57,449 --> 01:15:59,759 Adam Curry: Are they private? Is it private? Somehow? Maybe? Are 1169 01:15:59,759 --> 01:16:04,649 they not? cbils in the world? No. It's so this is time time 1170 01:16:04,649 --> 01:16:06,539 for the board meeting. We're running with scissors Live 1171 01:16:06,539 --> 01:16:10,109 episode 139 We're hot as a firecracker that one. Yeah. And 1172 01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:12,030 Dave Jones: then drips got response. He says we're live. 1173 01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:17,520 Yeah. And I see nothing. And under that I see 1234 boosts or 1174 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:17,880 something 1175 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,620 Adam Curry: is something is wrong. Houston, we have a 1176 01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:20,190 problem. 1177 01:16:24,569 --> 01:16:27,119 Dave Jones: I don't know man. It's like it must be some sort 1178 01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:31,949 of caching or something. It's gotta be stuff is hot. 1179 01:16:34,229 --> 01:16:35,849 Adam Curry: I don't know why it's not showing for me. 1180 01:16:36,420 --> 01:16:40,500 Dave Jones: Well, let me let me let me do a hard refresh. It's 1181 01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,680 very sure that it didn't get deleted or something. When you 1182 01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:44,220 get back down. 1183 01:16:44,699 --> 01:16:48,809 Adam Curry: Those numbers will overtake apple. They will now 1184 01:16:48,809 --> 01:16:51,089 I'm starting to target women. There we go. 1185 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:56,009 Dave Jones: Oh, wait, wait, wait. Now I'm stalking you. 1186 01:16:56,219 --> 01:16:59,579 You're probably you probably clicked on dribs link go 1187 01:16:59,579 --> 01:17:02,339 Adam Curry: oh no no no no bumped again. You take me for 1188 01:17:02,339 --> 01:17:02,909 some new 1189 01:17:03,569 --> 01:17:05,879 Dave Jones: tools because I'm not thinking about you. I just 1190 01:17:05,879 --> 01:17:07,889 did it myself and was confused now. 1191 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,010 Adam Curry: I click I go to Dave Jones. I scroll down up your 1192 01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:15,060 profile. And I click on and I actually see one plus so there's 1193 01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:18,690 more than one. There should be more than one comment there. But 1194 01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:23,520 when I click into it, I only see Drib it's maddening 1195 01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:28,560 Dave Jones: maybe you maybe you've blocked the boost bot 1196 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,750 because it's free speech. Oh, 1197 01:17:30,750 --> 01:17:33,990 Adam Curry: it's a base it's on the boost bot yeah the boost bot 1198 01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:38,460 of course and I don't block it I muted for five days at a time. 1199 01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:40,740 Dave Jones: Okay, so yeah, you've muted the boost 1200 01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:45,360 Adam Curry: Okay, hold on. Let me let me hit the blue spot yes 1201 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,140 blue spot I got it. Blue spot when we 1202 01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:51,660 Dave Jones: were anti-freeze page I'm not anti freeze 1203 01:17:51,659 --> 01:17:56,459 Adam Curry: page. But don't we already have the blue spot in 1204 01:17:56,459 --> 01:17:57,149 the block? 1205 01:17:59,550 --> 01:18:00,900 Dave Jones: May be 1206 01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:04,019 Adam Curry: Yeah, so don't know. Yes, we do have the boost bot 1207 01:18:04,019 --> 01:18:06,119 and this is just coming from the boost bot 1208 01:18:06,359 --> 01:18:08,639 Dave Jones: No no no no this is no this is different because 1209 01:18:08,639 --> 01:18:13,949 that would just come through onto like that means they would 1210 01:18:13,949 --> 01:18:18,899 get the SATs and it would go back out but then this is this 1211 01:18:18,899 --> 01:18:22,829 is specifically boosting into the activity pup thread of the 1212 01:18:22,829 --> 01:18:23,969 social inner ice 1213 01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:27,450 Adam Curry: boosted for 20 sites boosted 100 sites boosted one on 1214 01:18:27,450 --> 01:18:28,740 one on one sites. 1215 01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:32,129 Dave Jones: Yeah, but that just yeah, like that's that's been 1216 01:18:32,129 --> 01:18:35,849 hard coded just to go to podcast index not social but this thing 1217 01:18:35,849 --> 01:18:43,019 boost into the social interact route post. Oh, okay. So that's 1218 01:18:43,049 --> 01:18:46,949 that's the difference there. But I have which is cool because 1219 01:18:46,949 --> 01:18:49,979 that means anybody that does this they'll they will get the 1220 01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:53,609 boosts into their social interaction right you 1221 01:18:53,610 --> 01:18:55,230 Adam Curry: know, actually we don't have that we don't have 1222 01:18:55,230 --> 01:18:59,490 the boost button we have the fountain boost bot Okay, so it 1223 01:18:59,490 --> 01:19:00,060 works 1224 01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,030 Dave Jones: yeah, yes pretty rad. Wow. 1225 01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:04,800 Adam Curry: Wow, that's cool. 1226 01:19:05,279 --> 01:19:09,329 Dave Jones: This is this is all spreading and building out more 1227 01:19:09,329 --> 01:19:14,399 and more into into this big distributed Super Chat. 1228 01:19:14,430 --> 01:19:17,340 Adam Curry: I love it. It's this is nuts. We're doing naughty 1229 01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:23,010 stuff everywhere doing naughty stuff. Oh my goodness. What do 1230 01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:26,970 you what do you want to do? Do you want to do a I have I have 1231 01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:32,760 another song that actually comes from becomes from ln beats. I 1232 01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,580 think you want to play a song do you want to thank some people? 1233 01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:36,180 What do you want to do? 1234 01:19:37,229 --> 01:19:40,319 Dave Jones: Can cannot talk about something else? Yeah, not 1235 01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:42,119 talk about the adult authorization tag real quick 1236 01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:46,799 because I feel like we need to run down this for sure. So we we 1237 01:19:46,799 --> 01:19:50,159 kept going back and forth. We've been going back and forth about 1238 01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:53,969 this particular thing forever. So when they when no one Apple 1239 01:19:53,969 --> 01:19:57,599 dropped email addresses out of their spec every you know 1240 01:19:57,599 --> 01:20:01,319 everybody also dropped it. out of their feeds, and we don't 1241 01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:03,959 have to rehash it, we know that that's a problem now. Yeah, as 1242 01:20:03,959 --> 01:20:08,549 far as verification of ownership, yeah. We've been 1243 01:20:08,549 --> 01:20:10,709 everything's everything under the sun has been talked about, 1244 01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:17,909 oh off accustom handshake, just all kinds of stuff. That really, 1245 01:20:17,909 --> 01:20:20,939 I think what we've, what we've just kind of figured out is 1246 01:20:21,089 --> 01:20:26,729 there just needs. This is not, I think there was confusion of 1247 01:20:26,729 --> 01:20:35,069 thought because oh auth, the fits an authentication scheme, 1248 01:20:35,549 --> 01:20:39,059 you need credential, you need credentialing in order to get a 1249 01:20:39,059 --> 01:20:43,799 token, so that you can then talk to an API or service or 1250 01:20:43,799 --> 01:20:48,599 whatever. But but the I think the problem came from, we're 1251 01:20:48,779 --> 01:20:51,809 referring to it as authorization, when it really is 1252 01:20:52,349 --> 01:20:55,859 something more simple, which is just pure feed ownership 1253 01:20:55,859 --> 01:21:01,679 verification. And if you think about it, in those terms, the 1254 01:21:01,709 --> 01:21:06,449 the problem gets a little bit less complex. So we have the TXT 1255 01:21:06,449 --> 01:21:15,209 record. And if if you do if you build an all like an OAuth or 1256 01:21:15,209 --> 01:21:18,509 some sort of authorization, handshake, with a public key, 1257 01:21:18,509 --> 01:21:20,879 and all this kind of stuff, if you build that, in order to 1258 01:21:20,879 --> 01:21:24,839 verify feed ownership, you're immediately going to leave out 1259 01:21:25,139 --> 01:21:29,219 all of the self written feed all of the self hosted feeds. 1260 01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:32,429 Correct, because because you don't the guy, the guy that's 1261 01:21:32,429 --> 01:21:36,359 just uploading his feed to object storage, or the person 1262 01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:39,959 who's running a WordPress blog. That's not, they're not going to 1263 01:21:39,989 --> 01:21:42,689 Adam Curry: die, everybody has to have all kinds of tools and 1264 01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:44,369 stuff becomes a process. Now. 1265 01:21:44,819 --> 01:21:47,339 Dave Jones: So because your WordPress blog is not going to 1266 01:21:47,339 --> 01:21:52,589 expose an API for this, and let's just be honest. So that 1267 01:21:52,589 --> 01:21:55,499 means everybody, those people, which is a lot, that's not an 1268 01:21:55,499 --> 01:21:58,289 insignificant portion of the world, is going to have to fall 1269 01:21:58,289 --> 01:22:02,759 back to TX to a code into txt, record that txt tag, which is 1270 01:22:02,759 --> 01:22:08,429 exactly what we built that for. So that's great. So whatever 1271 01:22:08,429 --> 01:22:12,089 solution that we come up with has to include those people 1272 01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:17,909 also, which means that an application like pod fans, who 1273 01:22:17,909 --> 01:22:23,339 needs to verify ownership of a feed, regardless of what system 1274 01:22:23,339 --> 01:22:27,269 we devised, they're going to have to at some level, implement 1275 01:22:27,269 --> 01:22:30,929 a feed polling solution. So that they can tell you to put a thing 1276 01:22:30,929 --> 01:22:34,019 in your feed, you're gonna go put it in the TXT record, and 1277 01:22:34,019 --> 01:22:38,489 then you can begin polling it, right. So that has to exist. If 1278 01:22:38,489 --> 01:22:42,599 that has to exist, let's not create another yet another 1279 01:22:42,599 --> 01:22:45,719 thing, so that now they have two things that they have to worry 1280 01:22:45,719 --> 01:22:49,739 about. Let's make it all just fit in the same exact scenario 1281 01:22:49,739 --> 01:22:52,289 so that you can do one thing, whatever that thing happens to 1282 01:22:52,289 --> 01:22:56,999 be, then begin polling the TXT record for the feed. That being 1283 01:22:56,999 --> 01:23:05,459 said, it seems like the most at the simplest solution is, we 1284 01:23:05,459 --> 01:23:07,859 have an authorization tag or a verification tag or whatever 1285 01:23:07,859 --> 01:23:11,819 it's going to be called. We have that tag, it has a URL in it, 1286 01:23:13,169 --> 01:23:17,729 the URL, so for hosting companies that support this 1287 01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:22,109 method, they will just include this tag with the URL pointing 1288 01:23:22,109 --> 01:23:24,359 to an endpoint on their side that's going to receive this 1289 01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:28,349 call. When I'm just going to use pod fans, as an example, when 1290 01:23:28,349 --> 01:23:32,849 pod fans goes to verify ownership, they will kick you 1291 01:23:32,849 --> 01:23:36,659 out to that URL with a code attached to it, whether it's 1292 01:23:36,659 --> 01:23:38,789 some sort of randomized value, right, 1293 01:23:38,789 --> 01:23:41,849 Adam Curry: which you have to then put into into your feed. 1294 01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:44,520 Dave Jones: Well, you you here's the idea, you wouldn't you 1295 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,340 wouldn't even put it in there. Oh, the hosting company would do 1296 01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:49,860 that. Yeah, you can't you exactly you could call the 1297 01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:52,680 hosting company. There's gonna be a parameter on the end of the 1298 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,840 URL token equals BaubleBar t x t equals mobile, Verizon 48 1299 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,950 character hex string or something, then the hosting 1300 01:24:01,950 --> 01:24:04,890 company is going to kick you to a login screen, you're going to, 1301 01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,130 you're going to authenticate yourself with the host that you 1302 01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:11,670 are who you say you are, by logging into your account, then 1303 01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:15,840 it's going to prompt you Hey, pod fans is wanting to verify 1304 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:20,280 your ownership. Do you want to put their code in your feed so 1305 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:24,090 that you can complete the process? You say yes. If the 1306 01:24:24,090 --> 01:24:28,590 host drops that value into the TXT record, republishes your 1307 01:24:28,590 --> 01:24:33,240 feed kicks you back over to pod fans and says Hey, good to go. 1308 01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:37,260 Then pod fans begins to just pull the feed until they hit 1309 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,170 until they see that it refreshed. They see the code 1310 01:24:40,350 --> 01:24:40,950 done. 1311 01:24:42,930 --> 01:24:44,970 Adam Curry: Okay, and you're gonna build this into the 1312 01:24:44,970 --> 01:24:46,950 dashboard for podcast index. 1313 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:52,500 Dave Jones: Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I will. I don't know 1314 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,840 if I'll be able to be the first to support it, but I will be 1315 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:55,230 early. 1316 01:24:55,409 --> 01:24:58,979 Adam Curry: You know what's, what's so funny is you made this 1317 01:24:58,979 --> 01:25:01,889 whole dashboard I haven't had a single request where I can use 1318 01:25:01,889 --> 01:25:05,549 the dashboard yet. Why don't want a rescanning of the one? 1319 01:25:07,709 --> 01:25:13,469 No, I know. Because if he didn't exist, the feed was wrong and 1320 01:25:13,469 --> 01:25:15,149 there's a whole bunch of stuff was wrong. That guy was all 1321 01:25:15,149 --> 01:25:15,509 wrong. 1322 01:25:16,019 --> 01:25:20,519 Dave Jones: Okay. Can you real quick go back to your dashboard? 1323 01:25:20,579 --> 01:25:25,409 Because I need to run this past you Sure. There 1324 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:31,920 Adam Curry: it Yep, I'm here. Okay. What am I importing? 1325 01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:37,439 Dave Jones: Let me see if I can. Let's see real quick if I can 1326 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:42,119 find the one that I was wanting to throw at you. 1327 01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:47,699 Adam Curry: Because this is another like, calculus test. See 1328 01:25:47,699 --> 01:25:48,599 if I know what to do. 1329 01:25:49,619 --> 01:25:53,159 Dave Jones: Yeah, okay. Do this. Okay, do this search for 1330 01:25:53,969 --> 01:25:57,239 hardcore history. Just I just need to get you some content so 1331 01:25:57,239 --> 01:25:58,529 that I can show you what this is. 1332 01:25:58,559 --> 01:26:01,199 Adam Curry: Okay? Hardcore History Dan Carlin. Okay, okay, 1333 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:01,469 got 1334 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:04,080 Dave Jones: it. Okay, you see the DC the checkboxes by the 1335 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:08,400 numbers? By the feed IDs. 1336 01:26:09,180 --> 01:26:11,010 Adam Curry: I mean, just go into Oh, yes, of course. 1337 01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:15,120 Dave Jones: Okay. Alright, so just put a checkmark by any two. 1338 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:19,200 It doesn't matter in any to any time. Yeah. It should pop up 1339 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:25,470 with a new button. emerge. Yes. Nice. So if you if you were not 1340 01:26:25,470 --> 01:26:27,870 going to actually do anything, but if you click the Merge 1341 01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:33,120 button on one of them. Tell me what you think is happening 1342 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:33,480 here. 1343 01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:35,940 Adam Curry: I'm not going to click it right because that 1344 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:39,150 could screw up part Dan Carlin's hardcore here, there's, 1345 01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:41,280 Dave Jones: there's two confirmation dialogues you have 1346 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,830 to go through so you're not going to screw anything up. 1347 01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:46,710 Because you're not going to go all the way through. If you just 1348 01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:49,320 click the Merge button, okay, you should come up with 1349 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,620 something and I want you to try to I want you to tell me what 1350 01:26:52,620 --> 01:26:54,540 you think is going to happen. Okay. 1351 01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:58,800 Adam Curry: Do you want to merge Dan Carlin's Hardcore History 1352 01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:04,050 agenda? Yes, that's exactly what I would expect to happen. I 1353 01:27:04,050 --> 01:27:08,160 would expect the other the other fields to be merged into the one 1354 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:09,900 that I click the Merge button on. 1355 01:27:10,859 --> 01:27:12,749 Dave Jones: Now, here's the here's the thing that I'm 1356 01:27:12,749 --> 01:27:16,649 wondering about as far as confusion goes, because what 1357 01:27:16,649 --> 01:27:19,589 happens when you do this is you're going to, you're gonna 1358 01:27:19,619 --> 01:27:23,999 want your you have two fields. And you've chosen both of them. 1359 01:27:23,999 --> 01:27:28,499 And you're going to, in some way, merge the two together. But 1360 01:27:28,499 --> 01:27:32,369 one of them has to be the winner. One of them has to 1361 01:27:32,369 --> 01:27:34,199 become the parents so to speak, right? 1362 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,310 Adam Curry: What I understand even from the dialog box is the 1363 01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:40,560 one where I click the Merge button is the winner. 1364 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,930 Dave Jones: Thank you. Okay, that's what I needed to know. 1365 01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:44,820 Because I was trying not to not to, 1366 01:27:45,659 --> 01:27:47,609 Adam Curry: to lead the witness, you leave the witness? 1367 01:27:48,569 --> 01:27:51,479 Dave Jones: I wanted to know if you if you picked up on the fact 1368 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,569 that when the one you hit merge on was the one that became the 1369 01:27:54,569 --> 01:27:58,139 parent feed? Yes, that's the way that's the way I interpret Okay, 1370 01:27:58,169 --> 01:27:59,969 that was what I was worried about. Because I didn't want 1371 01:27:59,969 --> 01:28:02,489 people to get to just willy nilly get confused and not 1372 01:28:02,489 --> 01:28:04,829 realize what was happening. Congratulations, 1373 01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:06,210 Adam Curry: you win this beautiful. 1374 01:28:08,489 --> 01:28:11,729 Dave Jones: Yes. Oprah, like Oprah here. I gotta pick tags. 1375 01:28:13,259 --> 01:28:17,879 So cool, cool. That should work for you. But if you go, you can 1376 01:28:17,879 --> 01:28:20,489 go through again and hit Confirm on that, and you should get even 1377 01:28:20,489 --> 01:28:21,479 another box. 1378 01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:26,790 Adam Curry: Okay. Another box? Does so please enter the correct 1379 01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:30,120 feed? Are you really really sure? Okay. Yes. It's really, 1380 01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,560 really making me do it. 1381 01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:34,230 Dave Jones: Yeah. Okay. So you won't click, you will click no 1382 01:28:34,230 --> 01:28:34,560 on this 1383 01:28:35,489 --> 01:28:41,279 Adam Curry: is here's what's interesting. The URL shown here 1384 01:28:41,909 --> 01:28:47,189 is not the one of the data to correct because I click the one 1385 01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:51,329 with feeds dot Feedburner. And so I would want 1386 01:28:52,409 --> 01:28:56,129 Dave Jones: you can see here, you can paste any Feed URL into 1387 01:28:56,129 --> 01:28:56,459 this 1388 01:28:56,460 --> 01:28:59,370 Adam Curry: right, but but so what is this? What is this? So, 1389 01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:02,670 whereas I agreed with what it told me now, it's telling me 1390 01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:06,360 something I don't like, I would expect this to be the winning 1391 01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,790 feed, which would be the feeds dot feed burner. 1392 01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:11,970 Dave Jones: So let me tell you why that's not happening. Okay. 1393 01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:17,070 It's a bug. It's not a bug. It's a feature. Oh, the the reason 1394 01:29:17,070 --> 01:29:20,310 that is not happening is because the most common scenario that 1395 01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:25,950 happens is the phone. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, you you want to 1396 01:29:25,950 --> 01:29:30,210 preserve you have you have two feeds. One will have an iTunes 1397 01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:35,640 ID attached and the wrong URL. And the next one, the the one 1398 01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,480 you're wanting to get rid of has no iTunes ID and the correct 1399 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:39,960 URL. 1400 01:29:39,989 --> 01:29:42,509 Adam Curry: These both have iTunes IDs that I'm doing here. 1401 01:29:42,899 --> 01:29:45,569 Dave Jones: That's another problem. That's another scenario 1402 01:29:45,569 --> 01:29:51,329 that is that is unsupported right now. Most common, the most 1403 01:29:51,329 --> 01:29:56,129 common and this is the most common scenario is is the one I 1404 01:29:56,129 --> 01:29:59,399 described where you have one that has an iTunes ID and the 1405 01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:03,509 wrong URL. Oh, and another one that has the no iTunes ID and a 1406 01:30:03,509 --> 01:30:08,129 correct URL. And you can merge the two together such that the 1407 01:30:08,129 --> 01:30:12,929 one that has no iTunes ID, but the correct URL gets deleted. 1408 01:30:13,169 --> 01:30:16,079 And point and now there's a pointer dropped to the correct 1409 01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:19,229 one and the correct one gets the correct URL. That's why the 1410 01:30:19,229 --> 01:30:25,949 Yeah, yeah. I'm handing this thing to you. And 1411 01:30:26,010 --> 01:30:27,390 Adam Curry: it's like a loaded gun. 1412 01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:33,630 Dave Jones: Not because of you, but just because of the nature 1413 01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:33,930 of what 1414 01:30:34,649 --> 01:30:39,419 Adam Curry: a loaded gun ladies and gentlemen it's a flame 1415 01:30:39,419 --> 01:30:43,769 thrower. I love it. What could possibly go wrong? Give the 1416 01:30:43,769 --> 01:30:46,019 loaded gun to the child? Yeah. 1417 01:30:47,609 --> 01:30:50,759 Dave Jones: I was thinking about like, like Steven crater sent 1418 01:30:50,759 --> 01:30:55,589 the, the little What do you call it? Like the, the genealogy 1419 01:30:55,589 --> 01:30:57,539 thing where you like to use these properties and these 1420 01:30:57,539 --> 01:30:59,609 properties? And then I started going through that. And I'm 1421 01:30:59,609 --> 01:31:02,639 like, No, that's not really going to work. Because it 1422 01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:06,209 doesn't matter what properties I do. As soon as you've set the 1423 01:31:06,209 --> 01:31:10,439 feed URL and re and the last step of that process is a reset 1424 01:31:10,469 --> 01:31:12,929 on the feed. Yeah, it's gonna blow all that stuff when stuck 1425 01:31:12,929 --> 01:31:17,099 it back into the feed anyway, so none of that matters. All this 1426 01:31:17,099 --> 01:31:20,759 is gonna be overwritten by feed reset. So it's kind of just more 1427 01:31:20,759 --> 01:31:23,909 so all it really matters is that the correct Feed URL is in 1428 01:31:23,909 --> 01:31:25,709 there. Got it. So 1429 01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,440 Adam Curry: well, I'll be very careful. I'm gonna go very, very 1430 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,740 slow with anything I do. If they if I have questions. I will ask 1431 01:31:34,740 --> 01:31:37,800 I will ask. Let's, let's thank a couple people who have been 1432 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:44,130 boosting us. Okay, because we got a lot but poker 1000 panning 1433 01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:46,770 my wallet to Edward Scissorhands. Exactly. That's 1434 01:31:46,770 --> 01:31:54,570 it's fun. A lot of this sounds like Sam Sethi 10101. Shot 1435 01:31:54,570 --> 01:32:01,680 Caller 20 is Blaze only Impala. I thought I had the one of Sam 1436 01:32:01,710 --> 01:32:05,640 where's our where's our shorter baller and the shorter baller 1437 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:11,310 boosts? Yeah, the stabs that the James gave us. Oh, here I go. I 1438 01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:17,610 got I got him here. Sam says asking users to update txt is 1439 01:32:17,610 --> 01:32:20,520 the same as ask them to update the email and republish, it's a 1440 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,480 bad user experience and won't work. The way you describe the 1441 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:28,200 second method of a URL to the host, then verification of a URI 1442 01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,710 redirect works. It also mean all hosting to support pod ping to 1443 01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:35,580 ensure it's quick for the users. Yep. Okay, so that's what we're 1444 01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:39,510 talking about. And then Sam Sethi comes with another 10101 1445 01:32:40,860 --> 01:32:45,960 He says, I agree. I didn't like that ball. I like this one. I 1446 01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,320 like that one better. That's much better. I agree that 1447 01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,470 treasure needs to be shared. I give with pleasure podcasts 1448 01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:57,960 index 1% and James Cridland 1% Plus lb 1% of all pod fan SATs. 1449 01:32:58,170 --> 01:33:01,590 And once the podcast verify is approved, I'll give 1% to each 1450 01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:05,880 host to implement this new tag to share the value. There you 1451 01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,030 go. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Sam, very much. 1452 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:14,580 Ambitious 1000 Scissor is hot as long as you both as long as both 1453 01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:17,970 women look good and help please ambitious but you kidding me? 1454 01:33:19,260 --> 01:33:26,040 Sir Brian of London 31,948 His 3119 48 Israeli freedom boost 1455 01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:29,340 back from North Cyprus and boosting again had a busy time 1456 01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:31,800 last week nothing to do with anything which was in the news 1457 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,780 this week. Just boat maintenance honest. 1458 01:33:35,310 --> 01:33:38,610 Dave Jones: Yeah, he's a state hurrying, brokering off the 1459 01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:39,900 books do whatever for 1460 01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:44,730 Adam Curry: oil, whatever he's doing. The bot whisper 1000 SATs 1461 01:33:44,730 --> 01:33:48,060 testing boost bought cross app commenting from pod friend 1462 01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:52,500 boosts. Yes. All seems to be working is fantastic. See which 1463 01:33:52,500 --> 01:33:57,720 one on 101 from the podcast index cross app comments are 1464 01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:06,780 lit. Got tastebuds with 100 ITM Thank you. A white mic with 333 1465 01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:11,640 tests test for a troll chimp. We got another C bugs with C dubs 1466 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,690 with 420 from podcasts index another test. poking the bot is 1467 01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:19,290 that okay, this is all test 2112 1000 from Dred Scott 1468 01:34:19,290 --> 01:34:25,080 testing, of course. Buli steed. Nice road ducks. 22,222 Hey, 1469 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:28,350 citizens love song to podcasting. 2.0 Winner thank you 1470 01:34:28,350 --> 01:34:32,700 for the value. And Dave Jones 10,000 sets love it. Of course. 1471 01:34:32,730 --> 01:34:37,650 That's me. That's right. Hey, citizens. 6969 testing it out 1472 01:34:37,650 --> 01:34:42,930 there. 33,333 Eric peepee and he says Bitcoin never goes down 1473 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,930 unlike FastMail and GitHub decentralized for the win. 1474 01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:51,660 That's true. Meet us. 25,000 SATs Dave's rustic code cave. 1475 01:34:53,820 --> 01:34:58,170 Mr. Robot was 5555 Running with Scissors refill, Abby was 1476 01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:02,940 zippity just sayin With your mlb.com address five by five in 1477 01:35:02,940 --> 01:35:06,810 the pipe man I love all these these things with all these 1478 01:35:06,810 --> 01:35:10,830 codes. We got a mini striper booths there from Pfeiffer 1479 01:35:10,860 --> 01:35:16,650 where's my striper? See I hadn't answered everything up here I 1480 01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:25,560 gotta redo all of my my pads go go podcasting with the P Okay, 1481 01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:30,240 we'll go podcasting dribs Scott with 54321 pre show busco 1482 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:36,360 podcasting C dubs with the 420 with a test toke we got absurd 1483 01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:41,160 observations 40,000 SATs Thank you very much no note 2020 from 1484 01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:44,340 tone records sending scissor insurance funds it's a bargain 1485 01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:50,730 currently. Marry Oscar with 100 We got anonymous with 20 What? 1486 01:35:51,180 --> 01:35:59,760 Whoa to Andre 1000 SATs remove anonymous from curio casts are 1487 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,490 anonymous. You know, this is that anonymous curio caster who 1488 01:36:02,490 --> 01:36:05,970 pops in? Who popped in the last show too with with hundreds of 1489 01:36:05,970 --> 01:36:07,080 1000s of SATs. 1490 01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:10,199 Dave Jones: I like I like an anonymous curio cast. 1491 01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:12,390 Adam Curry: That's very cool. Thank you so much. These are the 1492 01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:16,290 ones that came in, just in in the last two hours during the 1493 01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:20,280 show. Dave Have you been able to query the database and grab some 1494 01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:24,030 did you get the paper? Does your email working? Oh, 1495 01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:29,730 Dave Jones: I don't know. Let me check. Let's see. Where's my 1496 01:36:29,730 --> 01:36:34,710 email? Is it Thunderbird Come on? 1497 01:36:34,739 --> 01:36:35,999 Adam Curry: Well hold on a second you know what's 1498 01:36:35,999 --> 01:36:44,549 interesting is I believe I be we've I'm no so your your email 1499 01:36:44,549 --> 01:36:47,909 is tied into the system. So it's not going to email me because 1500 01:36:47,909 --> 01:36:51,389 I'm on I'm on the booster gram emails but I guess your your 1501 01:36:51,389 --> 01:36:53,489 email has to be working for me to receive them 1502 01:36:58,649 --> 01:37:01,109 Dave Jones: Do you wait a second. Are you saying that when 1503 01:37:01,109 --> 01:37:04,079 I do the booster gram dump each week you get them to? 1504 01:37:04,109 --> 01:37:08,069 Adam Curry: I sure do. You do? Yeah. Because I'm a guest I'm on 1505 01:37:08,069 --> 01:37:12,239 the give at podcast index.org alias 1506 01:37:12,329 --> 01:37:16,259 Dave Jones: so you get so when I when I do the dump at like 12 1507 01:37:16,559 --> 01:37:19,499 Noon roughly on a Friday you get all sudden you get a blitz of 1508 01:37:19,499 --> 01:37:28,499 booster gram emails. Yes. And no. They did. Dumps dumps big 1509 01:37:28,499 --> 01:37:33,029 massive dumps the boosted dump. I did not realize that I was 1510 01:37:33,029 --> 01:37:35,879 spamming your your email with booster No, I sorry, 1511 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,520 Adam Curry: because I have a folder set up for that. So can 1512 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:39,990 you spam me and I can read them? 1513 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:45,150 Dave Jones: I can't do it from here. No. I've as I've solved 1514 01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:49,440 this problem. I've got a text. I've got a text file downloaded. 1515 01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:49,980 Yes. But 1516 01:37:49,980 --> 01:37:51,870 Adam Curry: no Pay Pal. So we don't have PayPals. 1517 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,680 Dave Jones: Wait, let me try to log into PayPal. 1518 01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:59,369 Adam Curry: That's gonna be fun. This is very, very well prepared 1519 01:37:59,369 --> 01:37:59,819 show. 1520 01:37:59,999 --> 01:38:05,099 Dave Jones: Both great. Yeah. I realized as as I'm trying to log 1521 01:38:05,099 --> 01:38:11,429 into PayPal, I realized that the on the website happening. Okay. 1522 01:38:13,619 --> 01:38:18,029 Give it podcast index. Yeah. So I realized that on the podcast 1523 01:38:18,029 --> 01:38:22,889 index website across that comments show for the regular 1524 01:38:22,889 --> 01:38:27,269 episodes, but they don't show under the live. So that means I 1525 01:38:27,269 --> 01:38:33,749 have work to do. Okay. Okay. All right. Think do I have what was 1526 01:38:33,749 --> 01:38:37,199 the last show was that's 23rd. Yes. That was 23rd. All right. 1527 01:38:37,229 --> 01:38:39,959 Cool. All right. I think I'm good to go. Well, I'm good. 1528 01:38:40,050 --> 01:38:42,060 Adam Curry: All right. Well, let it rip. 1529 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,930 Dave Jones: These these are all mixed together because they're 1530 01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:46,890 monthlies end. 1531 01:38:48,329 --> 01:38:50,219 Adam Curry: Okay, we'll just thank everybody appropriately. 1532 01:38:50,399 --> 01:38:51,629 Yeah. Michael Kimmer 1533 01:38:51,660 --> 01:38:56,370 Dave Jones: $5.33. Thank you, Michael. dribs got $15 Thank 1534 01:38:56,370 --> 01:39:03,000 you. Drib Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gan calvess. $5. Thank you, 1535 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,970 Pedro. Thank you. And let's see, let me make sure I gotta click 1536 01:39:05,970 --> 01:39:11,190 into this one real quick, because Kevin Bay sent us $3. 1537 01:39:11,850 --> 01:39:15,360 And he had a note. Let's see what it says. He says, Oh, he 1538 01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,210 says first monthly payment from the endowment fund. 1539 01:39:18,570 --> 01:39:20,850 Adam Curry: Oh, that's right. I loved the idea. Thank you very 1540 01:39:20,850 --> 01:39:21,360 much. 1541 01:39:21,989 --> 01:39:24,239 Dave Jones: This is cool. I like this. This would be fun to 1542 01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,699 watch. You're gonna last forever. Yeah, it is till we 1543 01:39:26,699 --> 01:39:30,239 die. Okay, so that's it. That's it. That's all the PayPal. 1544 01:39:30,449 --> 01:39:32,549 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for your 1545 01:39:32,549 --> 01:39:35,249 fun coupon people. Now let's go to our booster grams. 1546 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,610 Dave Jones: Now get the fun of trying to read this delta. txt 1547 01:39:38,610 --> 01:39:42,810 file which is going to be fantastic. Because it's all run 1548 01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:50,250 together in one big mush. Okay. See if I can do this. See Dubs. 1549 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:54,180 1010 SATs. It says boost bot is rolling out support for cross 1550 01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:54,780 app comments. 1551 01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:57,540 Adam Curry: Yeah, obviously we got it. Yes, it's working. We 1552 01:39:57,540 --> 01:39:59,220 love it. Boost. If you 1553 01:39:59,220 --> 01:40:00,900 Dave Jones: boost an item law have item which contains a 1554 01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:04,470 social interact tag to a Macedon post it will post those boosts 1555 01:40:04,500 --> 01:40:10,530 as comments and it works perfectly that's airhead 2112 a 1556 01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:13,290 rush boost he says slip through the board meeting again. Boost 1557 01:40:13,290 --> 01:40:15,270 bots new activity post functionality 1558 01:40:17,220 --> 01:40:19,740 Adam Curry: I slept through it slept at the board meeting 1559 01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:23,280 Dave Jones: man what I did a did a horrible thing here I used the 1560 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:26,850 more command instead of the last command so I cannot arrow back 1561 01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:31,890 up all right now again the so fixed. Alright. Lincoln 1000 1562 01:40:31,890 --> 01:40:36,330 says the pod verse he says a sick tune and I'm not sure which 1563 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:37,980 tune that was but I guess it was the 1564 01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:41,460 Adam Curry: must have been from the last show. Yeah, which one 1565 01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:44,160 that was like a techno type thing or no, that was not the 1566 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:49,710 bubblegum pop the one that our guest Steven crater 1567 01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:53,429 Dave Jones: T select Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Joel ws 1568 01:40:53,429 --> 01:40:55,559 secular central Richardson fountain. Thank you job. 1569 01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:57,150 Adam Curry: 1111. Thank you. 1570 01:40:58,380 --> 01:41:00,810 Dave Jones: We see we got Oh, Alice gates. Oh, thank you, 1571 01:41:01,410 --> 01:41:05,430 Alex. Sir Alice gates, the podcasting. 2.0 consultant. 1572 01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:10,920 57,910 SATs through pod versus pod verse. VTS testing. 1573 01:41:10,949 --> 01:41:13,889 Adam Curry: Nice. Boost. Thank you. Thank you, Alex. 1574 01:41:14,910 --> 01:41:17,880 Dave Jones: Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout 50,000 SATs the 1575 01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,640 Adam Curry: charismatic. Nice. Thank you, Kevin. 1576 01:41:21,180 --> 01:41:23,580 Dave Jones: He says I think you guys are being hard on AI is 1577 01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:26,880 valued to podcasters one month in and I'm pretty sure 1578 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,180 Buzzsprout new AI workflow is pushing more namespace compliant 1579 01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:33,600 transcripts and chapters than any other publisher. I do agree. 1580 01:41:33,690 --> 01:41:34,290 Oh, 1581 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,880 Adam Curry: no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just like humans. 1582 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:39,390 That's all 1583 01:41:40,050 --> 01:41:43,050 Dave Jones: all fully editable by the podcaster I'm listening 1584 01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:45,660 to this episode on Saturday evening and there are still no 1585 01:41:45,660 --> 01:41:48,630 chapters sure seems like aI chapters would be better than 1586 01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:51,120 nothing until Drib has a chance to do his magic hoo hoo 1587 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:57,809 Adam Curry: bastard wow no blow blow that is uncalled for. 1588 01:41:59,099 --> 01:42:03,959 Roughness yell at you okay so you make a point All right. All 1589 01:42:03,959 --> 01:42:05,699 right. We may even get big get the 1590 01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:11,100 Dave Jones: source de 17 101 SAS through pod verse he says go 1591 01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:12,420 live demos and debugging. 1592 01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:14,070 Adam Curry: We try 1593 01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:20,520 Dave Jones: lots of that on this show. Over citadel 50,000 SATs 1594 01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:21,990 mounted no note thank you 1595 01:42:21,989 --> 01:42:24,329 Adam Curry: Albert Citadel stream Thank you very much 1596 01:42:24,749 --> 01:42:28,499 Dave Jones: 5000 SATs from been through pod verse no note thank 1597 01:42:28,499 --> 01:42:34,619 you button. Use no test boost. Sam Sethi Senate test boost a 1598 01:42:34,619 --> 01:42:38,099 bunch of them 61 says looks like he's doing some streaming. Boo. 1599 01:42:38,579 --> 01:42:44,039 Boost. Thanks, Sam. Ope 16,969 SAS from a citizen 1600 01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:47,880 Adam Curry: well first you go hey citizen known from the thank 1601 01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:48,990 you for the value song. 1602 01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,020 Dave Jones: When Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical 1603 01:42:52,020 --> 01:42:55,050 and abstract concept you can feel the fabric of reality 1604 01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:59,760 itself shifting is it doesn't sound like an accomplishment. 1605 01:42:59,820 --> 01:43:00,570 This sounds like you know 1606 01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:05,880 Adam Curry: dread actually did the chapters from field day he 1607 01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:10,680 was out practicing his practicing his ham skills. Oh 1608 01:43:10,710 --> 01:43:14,010 Dave Jones: that I did not realize until last week when I 1609 01:43:14,010 --> 01:43:17,400 saw him comment that he was a big ham. 1610 01:43:17,579 --> 01:43:20,909 Adam Curry: You know it was really cool. The ham radio 1611 01:43:21,569 --> 01:43:25,709 community Dare I say is set up to such a degree that I got a 1612 01:43:25,709 --> 01:43:29,849 phone call and I see it's a 512 it's a Austin number and it's 1613 01:43:29,849 --> 01:43:33,329 and it's not a spam call because it has a name attached I pick it 1614 01:43:33,329 --> 01:43:39,449 up and get this big booming voice yeah hello this is I have 1615 01:43:39,449 --> 01:43:42,329 a message from the 70 to 90 traffic net for Quito five 1616 01:43:42,329 --> 01:43:45,059 Alpha. Charlie Charlie. Like yeah, sure. 1617 01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:46,770 Dave Jones: Intimidated Yes. 1618 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,640 Adam Curry: From Juliet kilo Tango to zero I'm on field day 1619 01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:54,210 or ITM though it was in the morning from field day in 1620 01:43:54,210 --> 01:44:00,180 central New York. JK two T two zero so the way it works is 1621 01:44:00,180 --> 01:44:04,560 someone in New York got onto the 7290 traffic net. They that 1622 01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:08,100 being said I have a message the message is for Adam curry in in 1623 01:44:08,130 --> 01:44:12,690 Central Texas in Fredericksburg. They then take the message find 1624 01:44:12,690 --> 01:44:15,240 my number and 1625 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:17,700 Dave Jones: SEC lookup right 1626 01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:20,790 Adam Curry: yes and then pass the nut and pass the message. I 1627 01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:24,870 love that system. hams are going to save the world man when the 1628 01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:27,210 apocalypse comes. Right? 1629 01:44:27,569 --> 01:44:29,999 Dave Jones: We'll get us somehow figured out how to attach boost 1630 01:44:29,999 --> 01:44:30,479 boosts 1631 01:44:31,409 --> 01:44:33,659 Adam Curry: the first boost through ham radio that's what 1632 01:44:33,659 --> 01:44:34,529 I'm looking for 1633 01:44:34,649 --> 01:44:37,499 Unknown: the boost bot the boost bot RS bags MPP 1634 01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:40,380 Adam Curry: Yeah, we can do it. He takes MPP to the boost bot 1635 01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:41,490 I'm sure we can do it. 1636 01:44:41,819 --> 01:44:47,429 Dave Jones: Yep. H MPP. Oh, see, hey, citizens, messengers. When 1637 01:44:47,429 --> 01:44:49,439 Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical and abstract 1638 01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:52,559 concept, you can feel the fabric of reality is still shifting. 1639 01:44:52,739 --> 01:44:56,009 And when Adam says oh, it's like my wife's text message. The 1640 01:44:56,009 --> 01:44:59,819 fabric of reality shifts a little bit more. Thank you for 1641 01:44:59,819 --> 01:45:00,449 your carriage 1642 01:45:00,689 --> 01:45:01,889 Adam Curry: thank you for your courage. 1643 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:07,020 Dave Jones: Anonymous roadex 2222 through cast thematic got a 1644 01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:11,190 couple of those Thank you Anonymous We got a few more than 1645 01:45:11,190 --> 01:45:15,270 these through these look like some streams oh here we go call 1646 01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:20,670 McCormick 5492 through fountain he says missioning own your.com 1647 01:45:20,820 --> 01:45:23,880 My mom would tell me this and said it'd be super important in 1648 01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:27,510 the future back when I was in high school 2015 I didn't really 1649 01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:30,150 think about it until Adam brought it up Mom was right 1650 01:45:31,829 --> 01:45:35,129 Adam Curry: right Listen to your mom Cole always always listened 1651 01:45:35,129 --> 01:45:35,699 to your mom. 1652 01:45:36,300 --> 01:45:39,570 Dave Jones: And for everybody who hasn't call your mom yeah, 1653 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:45,960 right away. Grab Scott 107,373 says 1654 01:45:46,020 --> 01:45:48,180 Adam Curry: oh dread dread 1655 01:45:50,369 --> 01:45:52,499 Dave Jones: through curio caster so of course because it's 1656 01:45:52,499 --> 01:45:59,039 through curio caster something weird get the reply address. Oh 1657 01:45:59,069 --> 01:46:02,309 by key and the reply value and every time I see that it reminds 1658 01:46:02,309 --> 01:46:05,969 me of the languishing hella pad that I have got to get back to I 1659 01:46:05,969 --> 01:46:06,329 can't 1660 01:46:06,330 --> 01:46:09,210 Adam Curry: wait. I can't wait to start returning some boosts 1661 01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:12,779 Dave Jones: boosting to call out day for having a long expired 1662 01:46:12,779 --> 01:46:13,709 ham callsign. 1663 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,480 Adam Curry: Ham bad ham, 1664 01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:22,020 Dave Jones: KC for NSA. When I boosted from field day last 1665 01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:25,500 week, I heard they threw out his callsign Casey for next a while 1666 01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:28,050 Adam was reading booster grams, so of course, I had to look it 1667 01:46:28,050 --> 01:46:30,720 up. Looks like it expired back in the year. 2000. That 1668 01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,970 Adam Curry: is correct. Yes. Dave. Dave, Dave, 1669 01:46:33,569 --> 01:46:36,899 Dave Jones: perhaps just a y2k bug. Dave and all your spare 1670 01:46:36,899 --> 01:46:39,209 time you need to get licensed again. My six year old is 1671 01:46:39,209 --> 01:46:41,759 studying for her license. If she can do it. So can you 1672 01:46:42,390 --> 01:46:44,070 Adam Curry: drill? I know you can do it. 1673 01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:47,160 Dave Jones: We know is a subtle slam from the I'd like 1674 01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,740 Adam Curry: the boost reply first before you get your ham 1675 01:46:49,740 --> 01:46:52,980 license. I'll pass on the message is keto five Alpha. 1676 01:46:52,980 --> 01:46:54,450 Charlie, Charlie. I'll call Dave. 1677 01:46:55,229 --> 01:46:57,329 Dave Jones: Don't you know that ham radio is going to save the 1678 01:46:57,329 --> 01:46:59,009 world right now. 1679 01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:05,400 Adam Curry: Where is that thing? Hold on and save the world. Here 1680 01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:10,590 it is. When the apocalypse comes where the guys who are gone to 1681 01:47:10,590 --> 01:47:15,900 save the world. Right. Right. Right. 1682 01:47:16,350 --> 01:47:20,700 Dave Jones: Borlaug won a 101 Nice five verse he says always 1683 01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:23,190 grateful for the two of you and all the others who do some of 1684 01:47:23,190 --> 01:47:25,170 the heavy lifting in this community. It's an amazing 1685 01:47:25,170 --> 01:47:31,770 group. Yes, it is. Mere Mortals. Karen 4444. That's to Rosa 1686 01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:36,270 ducks, evidently fountain. He says sending in extra as thanks 1687 01:47:36,270 --> 01:47:39,420 today for the value tag help. Also big shout out to Todd at 1688 01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:43,170 blueberry for helping me with the live tag. Whenever there's a 1689 01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:48,840 boost nearby is it Where did that come from? 1690 01:47:48,869 --> 01:47:51,389 Adam Curry: I just hit I get boosts whenever there's a boost 1691 01:47:51,389 --> 01:47:55,469 nearby. Which is I'm just pushing buttons. I think that 1692 01:47:55,469 --> 01:47:59,099 may be a clip that I did, I think yes, I like it though. 1693 01:47:59,099 --> 01:47:59,789 It's kind of cool. 1694 01:48:00,569 --> 01:48:02,939 Dave Jones: We all joke around about the scissors but a big 1695 01:48:02,939 --> 01:48:05,849 kudos to everyone creating and implementing tags. This stuff is 1696 01:48:05,849 --> 01:48:09,479 not easy, but it's hella fun. Hopefully the bread the newly 1697 01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,539 branded value for value podcast will be live next week. Fingers 1698 01:48:12,539 --> 01:48:21,119 crossed goose BABY Yay Oh, there we go. It's the delimiter 1699 01:48:21,149 --> 01:48:25,559 delimiter Yeah, comic strip blogger nice 30 3015 through 1700 01:48:25,559 --> 01:48:28,619 fountain 80 says howdy David Adam. Please invite your 1701 01:48:28,649 --> 01:48:34,829 audience to visit my cartoons at WWW dot CSB dot lol go 1702 01:48:34,829 --> 01:48:37,739 podcasting yo CSB go podcast 1703 01:48:38,939 --> 01:48:40,979 Adam Curry: Why don't we play one quick song and then we'll 1704 01:48:40,979 --> 01:48:45,899 say goodbye? What do you say? Yeah, please everybody switch 1705 01:48:45,899 --> 01:48:48,419 over to curio caster or if you're listening to this after 1706 01:48:48,419 --> 01:48:55,739 the fact curio caster and pod friend and boost boost boost. So 1707 01:48:55,739 --> 01:48:59,129 we can hit the top of wavelength with Ally Mitchell when this is 1708 01:48:59,159 --> 01:48:59,819 over. 1709 01:49:15,569 --> 01:49:16,169 Unknown: The way of 1710 01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:24,900 making. 1711 01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:49,710 Change 1712 01:49:54,989 --> 01:50:00,359 Adam Curry: used to Hello 1713 01:50:46,619 --> 01:50:46,979 Unknown: You 1714 01:51:34,350 --> 01:51:35,190 This is worse 1715 01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:01,679 way you feel 1716 01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,390 Adam Curry: completely trippin balls on this song 1717 01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:17,610 Dave Jones: that was like so chill but it 1718 01:52:17,610 --> 01:52:19,980 Adam Curry: was it had a little bit of Prince kind of vibe 1719 01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:24,360 little Lenny Kravitz I don't know I just I kind of I kind of 1720 01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:24,810 dug it 1721 01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:27,720 Dave Jones: that is a read tune who was the artist 1722 01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:31,620 Adam Curry: ally Mitchell a li Mitchell and the title is when 1723 01:52:31,650 --> 01:52:36,300 it's over W E N for some reason when the when this is over I'm 1724 01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:40,350 sorry and let's boost this let's boost him because he's also I 1725 01:52:40,350 --> 01:52:43,980 think on wavelength so I love putting the songs into the top 1726 01:52:43,980 --> 01:52:48,210 on wave Lake hoping one day wave local go oh yeah we should do 1727 01:52:48,210 --> 01:52:50,310 something again. Yeah just the thought 1728 01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:55,320 Dave Jones: the so that it maybe it's two weeks ago three weeks 1729 01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,350 ago I don't remember when it was you played long D 1730 01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,799 Adam Curry: Yes. He's got a you got five songs in the top 40 1731 01:53:01,799 --> 01:53:03,149 Now, yeah. 1732 01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,869 Dave Jones: underclass underclass. Yes. Yeah, you 1733 01:53:06,869 --> 01:53:10,109 played underclass and which is a red song, by the way and then in 1734 01:53:10,109 --> 01:53:13,739 like, so it was in my head in my head in my head and up and I've 1735 01:53:13,739 --> 01:53:16,739 been playing, I've been doing more playing more drums, I pick 1736 01:53:16,739 --> 01:53:19,619 them back up later. And so I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm 1737 01:53:19,619 --> 01:53:21,899 just gonna jam along with the song. So I started I was playing 1738 01:53:21,899 --> 01:53:25,289 Dre. That is a hard drum song. Oh, really? Challenging. 1739 01:53:25,649 --> 01:53:30,659 Adam Curry: Oh, interesting. Interesting, interesting. Value 1740 01:53:30,659 --> 01:53:34,079 for value. That's, that's what we're promoting here. That's my 1741 01:53:34,079 --> 01:53:40,409 guess you just say music 2.0 Or value m value music value. When 1742 01:53:40,409 --> 01:53:45,029 you boost this podcast when the song is playing those sets go to 1743 01:53:45,029 --> 01:53:48,419 the artist. And that'll be another thing that Dave's going 1744 01:53:48,419 --> 01:53:51,689 to put into helipads so we can actually see that how much went 1745 01:53:51,689 --> 01:53:54,599 to the artist? I'm not holding my breath because I'll be dead. 1746 01:53:55,410 --> 01:54:00,150 Dave Jones: No disproportionate use of force so 1747 01:54:00,149 --> 01:54:02,039 Adam Curry: it's okay. I understand me I understand the 1748 01:54:02,039 --> 01:54:05,519 streaming videos very important. I know. I know. I know what has 1749 01:54:06,419 --> 01:54:10,379 it is not a douche bag. 1750 01:54:12,449 --> 01:54:14,909 Dave Jones: I'm sending you love. I gave you a dashboard. 1751 01:54:14,939 --> 01:54:17,069 Adam Curry: I love my dashboard. I haven't been able to use it 1752 01:54:17,069 --> 01:54:19,379 yet. Could people please give me some problems? I need some 1753 01:54:19,379 --> 01:54:21,779 problems to solve like I want a problem. 1754 01:54:22,170 --> 01:54:24,900 Dave Jones: I'm giving him a bet to give you a magic button on 1755 01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:27,840 the dashboard. Today I'm doing that today. What 1756 01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,100 Adam Curry: is the magic button do 1757 01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,940 Dave Jones: the magic button says give me some dupes. And 1758 01:54:32,940 --> 01:54:34,800 it's gonna just you're gonna you're gonna be able to click 1759 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:35,160 the button. 1760 01:54:35,250 --> 01:54:39,450 Adam Curry: Oh, cool. Oh, I like that. Very cool. Okay. 1761 01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:41,310 Dave Jones: Yeah, with all your spare time. You can just 1762 01:54:41,340 --> 01:54:47,640 duplicate the entire index. Yay. Sounds like great fun. 1763 01:54:49,170 --> 01:54:51,900 Adam Curry: Oh, wow, brother. Anything else before we cut out 1764 01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:53,250 of here and get the weekend started? 1765 01:54:54,540 --> 01:54:56,520 Dave Jones: No, I'm feeling good. Okay, well. 1766 01:54:58,199 --> 01:55:00,359 Adam Curry: I'm feeling good too. I'm going to play With this 1767 01:55:00,359 --> 01:55:05,819 duo caster the road caster do I'm gonna get it all set up and 1768 01:55:05,819 --> 01:55:07,499 I'll give that a whirl maybe next week 1769 01:55:07,979 --> 01:55:11,519 Dave Jones: and things still is I think still it's a little much 1770 01:55:11,519 --> 01:55:15,029 in it a little bit of like I feel like it's a little bit too 1771 01:55:15,029 --> 01:55:20,459 much money for what it is. Is that Is that fair? 499 Yeah, no 1772 01:55:20,459 --> 01:55:23,399 it's like it should be closer to $400 1773 01:55:23,429 --> 01:55:26,729 Adam Curry: it's worth every penny I'd pay I'd pay 1000 for 1774 01:55:26,729 --> 01:55:31,049 each of these boxes I have struggled for decades trying to 1775 01:55:31,049 --> 01:55:34,289 get in in one device with these guys have done 1776 01:55:34,859 --> 01:55:36,539 Dave Jones: okay, here's what I'm really asking you should I 1777 01:55:36,539 --> 01:55:39,809 buy or do I need to buy one of these? Well I mean I need to buy 1778 01:55:39,809 --> 01:55:40,469 the duo 1779 01:55:40,769 --> 01:55:45,839 Adam Curry: well you know I mean I make you sound good so you 1780 01:55:45,839 --> 01:55:50,309 don't have to worry about it but if you like gear and and a you 1781 01:55:50,309 --> 01:55:53,159 got to do more of your streaming stuff. 1782 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:57,540 Dave Jones: Yeah if 1783 01:55:57,540 --> 01:55:59,640 Adam Curry: you want to have little pads to do little little 1784 01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,400 jingles and stuff, you know if you want to have that kind of 1785 01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:02,880 action 1786 01:56:04,409 --> 01:56:06,809 Dave Jones: I do want to have I do like Pat I want I want little 1787 01:56:06,809 --> 01:56:07,049 pain 1788 01:56:07,050 --> 01:56:09,180 Adam Curry: you should get it man go out on a limb you can 1789 01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:13,380 deduct it it's tax deductible. Oh, yes, yes, 1790 01:56:13,380 --> 01:56:16,140 Dave Jones: yeah, it up. Later in the year when we get down to 1791 01:56:16,140 --> 01:56:18,480 tax we get down the wire and you need to grab an extra. 1792 01:56:19,050 --> 01:56:21,810 Adam Curry: There you go. That's what you got to do. That's it. 1793 01:56:21,900 --> 01:56:25,650 That's it. Hey, chat room. Thank you very much everybody watching 1794 01:56:25,650 --> 01:56:28,680 Dave stream. Alex and Egghead Thank you very much and we do 1795 01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,260 have three people watching which is those two guys have aid 1796 01:56:36,329 --> 01:56:36,989 Dave Jones: in the top, 1797 01:56:38,609 --> 01:56:43,229 Adam Curry: the top on peer to top streamer. Thank you all very 1798 01:56:43,229 --> 01:56:46,589 much for listening boost boost particularly for the artists for 1799 01:56:46,949 --> 01:56:49,469 ally Mitchell and for Hey citizen. Thank you all so much 1800 01:56:49,469 --> 01:56:52,949 for listening. And come on back next Friday. We'll do another 1801 01:56:52,949 --> 01:56:56,639 board meeting podcasting. 2.0 See you then brother. To me. 1802 01:56:56,759 --> 01:56:58,229 Alright everybody take care bye bye. 1803 01:57:13,949 --> 01:57:18,479 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1804 01:57:18,479 --> 01:57:21,119 index.org For more information 1805 01:57:23,130 --> 01:57:24,720 Dave Jones: is not a feature