1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,300 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for July 7 2023, episode 140 shim 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:07,080 theory 3 00:00:08,730 --> 00:00:12,120 Well, Hello once again it's Friday, a brand new month and 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,840 welcome to podcasting. 2.0 The official place to find out 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,690 everything that's happening with the now and the future of 6 00:00:18,690 --> 00:00:22,290 podcasting. That's right. We've got everything in podcast 7 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:27,240 index.org The namespace all the rumors happening at podcast 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,940 index.org We are the only boardroom that is AI free. And 9 00:00:32,940 --> 00:00:35,400 gentlemen, I'm Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country 10 00:00:35,490 --> 00:00:38,460 and Alabama, the man you can find it in both Latin and non 11 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:41,340 Latin serve. Say hello to my friend on the other end. Mr. 12 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:42,780 Dave Jones. 13 00:00:45,090 --> 00:00:49,230 Dave Jones: Total cluster today just like cluster. Yeah, 14 00:00:49,530 --> 00:00:52,620 everything is everything that could go wrong has gone wrong 15 00:00:52,620 --> 00:00:52,980 today. 16 00:00:53,009 --> 00:00:57,479 Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. What? What? What is the problems? I 17 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:01,109 Dave Jones: usually go. I usually do show prep before. 18 00:01:01,769 --> 00:01:05,759 Before I go to work. Okay. Yeah. On Fridays, because you know, 19 00:01:05,789 --> 00:01:10,559 the day jobs on Fridays are hard. Sure. I get it. But this 20 00:01:10,559 --> 00:01:12,719 morning, I wake up and immediately have a call from the 21 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:13,169 office. 22 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,110 Adam Curry: Oh, I hate those those mornings. You know, that's 23 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:20,040 not good. What wasn't working? What wasn't working? What three, 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,460 Dave Jones: three hours later, I finally get it solved in just 25 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:28,500 like okay, I've now got a scramble. It's yeah, it's just 26 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,930 been it's been like that whole day. It's just been that kind of 27 00:01:30,930 --> 00:01:31,260 stuff. 28 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:37,560 Then I was trying to prep a clip for the show. I got one of them. 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,610 But I had another one that I wanted. And I had to resort to 30 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:44,880 recording do a screen recording on it because I was on a 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,810 different machine than usual. And God Almighty I could not get 32 00:01:48,810 --> 00:01:51,690 this thing converted to mp3. I finally just gave up. I mean, 33 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:55,170 like it was like 1228 And I'm like eff this. I gotta go the 34 00:01:55,170 --> 00:01:57,750 show how I mean, what are you using to do conversions? How 35 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:00,240 hard can that be? I was on a Mac and 36 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:05,700 Adam Curry: Nuff said Nuff said Mac, please. I used to be such 37 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:09,990 an apple boy. I was so I love Mac's I defended them 38 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:13,170 everything. Man I have the original Newton I stood in line 39 00:02:13,170 --> 00:02:16,800 for it. I was a junkie until they screwed up my USB audio 40 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,680 interfaces. That's when I got pretty mad and then they screwed 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,920 up Final Cut Pro. That's when I gave up. 42 00:02:23,220 --> 00:02:26,610 Dave Jones: It's a disaster. The Mac is a disaster. Everything 43 00:02:26,610 --> 00:02:29,130 that you want it especially when they do when they went to Apple, 44 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,420 you know their own processors. Yeah. It's just so well I live 45 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:34,770 in theory, I lived 46 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:37,260 Adam Curry: through the Motorola to Intel switch that was 47 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:41,640 actually an interesting period. They had that really funky 48 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:46,890 laptop, the black one with kind of the rubbery feel to it. And 49 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:48,990 yeah, and then that was their whole thing is like, Oh yeah, 50 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:51,840 we're gonna have all the operating system for work and 51 00:02:56,669 --> 00:02:59,759 Dave Jones: I hate Macs with a passion. And the only reason I 52 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:02,879 have them at home it was a conscious decision on my part. I 53 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:07,439 was like, Okay, I'm gonna work my day. And my, my day job work 54 00:03:07,469 --> 00:03:13,649 is 100% windows. On on the user side, its own server side. It's 55 00:03:13,649 --> 00:03:17,249 a mix of lots of stuff, Linux windows, you know, but on the 56 00:03:17,249 --> 00:03:20,819 user side is totally windows. But these kids coming out of 57 00:03:20,819 --> 00:03:26,249 college. They all go through college with MAC's Yeah, a lot 58 00:03:26,249 --> 00:03:30,389 of them Yeah, yeah. In them when they get into when they get into 59 00:03:30,389 --> 00:03:32,879 the workforce, they switch to Windows but they still have 60 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:37,019 Mac's at home. So we started getting like all these people 61 00:03:37,019 --> 00:03:39,749 that were connecting when they when they VPN to work they were 62 00:03:39,749 --> 00:03:44,309 doing it from a Mac Yeah. So I'm like okay, we we need to be able 63 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:47,939 to troubleshoot Mac so I'd use the I made the decision I'm like 64 00:03:47,969 --> 00:03:50,999 I'm gonna force myself to use a Mac at home so I can have the 65 00:03:50,999 --> 00:03:54,359 knowledge to help these people and I'm about done with that. 66 00:03:55,469 --> 00:03:57,659 I'm so tired of this and I'm not doing 67 00:03:57,659 --> 00:03:59,849 Adam Curry: interesting you know my my daughter's here visiting 68 00:03:59,849 --> 00:04:02,249 with her boyfriend slash fiance. 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,670 Dave Jones: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Congratulations and 70 00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:06,480 getting to see her Yeah, 71 00:04:06,510 --> 00:04:08,550 Adam Curry: well it took them three days to get here with 72 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:11,340 canceled flights misconnections it was quite a quite a 73 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:14,340 nightmare. Especially because it's all happening during no 74 00:04:14,340 --> 00:04:18,750 agenda. I'm getting right he's literally calling me from the 75 00:04:18,750 --> 00:04:21,360 customs you'd like they're gonna send me to the little room 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,440 unless I can prove you know that I haven't returned. Little room 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,630 is not good. When you come into the country people I've been 78 00:04:27,630 --> 00:04:31,860 there the little room is not fun. But he's a he's a producer 79 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:35,940 and he uses Windows. He's like now he's I gave up on Mac a long 80 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:39,570 time ago he said all the all the pro producers that are not all 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,300 that's not correct. But a lot of the big ones They've all moved 82 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:46,950 to Windows for Ableton Live and stuff like that. And they've 83 00:04:46,950 --> 00:04:49,530 just done with Mac they they don't like the expense. They 84 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:53,340 don't like the problems. It's really it's quite interesting 85 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:57,600 how Apple's A Of course they have the mobile market. I guess 86 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,780 Hello Dave Yeah, I don't hear you. 87 00:05:07,110 --> 00:05:12,060 Dave Jones: Am I gonna there you are weird Yeah, what happened? I 88 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:12,420 don't know. 89 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:15,090 Adam Curry: You're streaming video again aren't you? 90 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:16,920 Dave Jones: Yeah but that's been going for a while. 91 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:21,420 Adam Curry: Whenever something's wrong I always blame OBS 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,330 Dave Jones: there was no OBS this time I did I did get C I 93 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:31,710 have h top running so I can make sure that I'm not frozen that if 94 00:05:31,710 --> 00:05:34,680 if as long as the bar graphs are changing I know I'm not I'm not 95 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,150 I'm not in a boot situation 96 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:38,340 Adam Curry: state of affairs when you have to have each top 97 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:41,490 running and know that you're on the air. something inherently 98 00:05:41,490 --> 00:05:42,540 wrong about that. 99 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:44,490 Dave Jones: You're like Dave Dave 100 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:52,860 Adam Curry: let's start off today with the bang I was 101 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:56,700 reliably informed that today is the second anniversary of the 102 00:05:56,730 --> 00:06:01,470 booster gram which just started Yes Two years ago on this date 103 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:06,270 and I believe the first official booster gram was sent from curio 104 00:06:06,270 --> 00:06:07,620 caster if I'm not mistaken. 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Dave Jones: What was the first official booster gram? 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,130 Adam Curry: Oh, you know, we should not we should know what 107 00:06:14,130 --> 00:06:17,880 it actually is. I don't know what the what the text was of 108 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,900 the first booster gram. Oh, that's huh. I should know that. 109 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:25,020 I guess. Maybe we should immortalize this Yeah, we need 110 00:06:25,020 --> 00:06:27,480 to know that. Yeah, maybe So Steven became me posted in the 111 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,100 chat room while we play our celebratory booster gram jingle 112 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:46,650 the very best remember this one is 113 00:06:52,350 --> 00:06:54,720 I will lose them across the land 114 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:12,030 die there it is. Let me see. It was Sir Chad Pharaoh who? Who 115 00:07:12,030 --> 00:07:16,290 said today it was to what was it? I'm hoping someone can find 116 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:19,680 out but I was Wait a minute. Wait, Steven. Steven B has a 117 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,610 link here it is what was the 118 00:07:20,610 --> 00:07:21,960 Dave Jones: first Don't click it Don't click it. 119 00:07:22,830 --> 00:07:29,880 Adam Curry: Oh no. Here it is. value m sat 1000 M sat so cheap 120 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:35,940 boost message sent from curio caster tip jar colong Really? 121 00:07:36,930 --> 00:07:42,060 I've changed Oh can I can't see that. Oh, I've changed my mind 122 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:46,260 so much. I can't even trust it. My mind changed me so much. I 123 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:50,490 can't even trust myself. Wow, that's a very much like a Mary 124 00:07:50,490 --> 00:07:51,780 Had a Little Lamb kind of thing. 125 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,110 Dave Jones: Oh, yes. Cuz 126 00:07:56,430 --> 00:07:58,920 Adam Curry: I love that it actually says message sent from 127 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,360 curio casters. Tip Jar. Wow, I squash that pretty quick. Didn't 128 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:03,600 I? 129 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,760 Dave Jones: can tell that's old. 130 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:09,240 Adam Curry: And so we've gone from this 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,530 Dave Jones: is fantastic. This is like, yeah, we need to make 132 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:14,880 an NFT out of this. 133 00:08:16,770 --> 00:08:19,500 Adam Curry: And ordinals Sure. Everyone knows Yes. I'm gonna 134 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,500 put this I want to put this into the into the show notes. So we 135 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:24,390 can immortalize that. 136 00:08:25,050 --> 00:08:27,600 Dave Jones: Do you find that so fast? Stephen? Oh, my gosh. I 137 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,370 mean, this is from 2021. 138 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:32,010 Adam Curry: Isn't that cool? was first was the Grammys it 139 00:08:32,010 --> 00:08:34,440 actually from the date? Is it from from the actual date to 140 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:39,810 July 7 20. Oh, wow. How cool is that? Well, so today, I just 141 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,370 view how we've moved ahead in two short years. scissors are 142 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:50,430 sharp, no rounded edges today. Steven B changed everything. 143 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,190 Cool. Yeah, he changed everything. He took out the most 144 00:08:56,190 --> 00:08:59,190 of the production elements of the value time split from 145 00:08:59,190 --> 00:09:05,130 sovereign feeds, which he felt was getting kind of messy. And 146 00:09:05,130 --> 00:09:08,850 so he moved all of that to a tight integration with the split 147 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:15,120 kit. So now you you operate your live? Well, basically all your 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,320 splits, and certainly the live stuff all from the split kit. So 149 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,330 there are two things with this, which was kind of interesting. 150 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:26,100 The first one was this work that he had done, rendered sovereign 151 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:31,920 feeds inoperable Wednesday night was trying to post curry in the 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,940 keeper. Like, okay, and and, you know, it's 153 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,310 Dave Jones: always good to always get the signal from you, 154 00:09:38,430 --> 00:09:40,170 hey, you know, Steven bass number, 155 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:42,240 Adam Curry: and no one has his number. And I always forget to 156 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,680 ask for his number. You know, it's like, 157 00:09:44,190 --> 00:09:47,130 Dave Jones: genius on his part, by the way. Great, great call. 158 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:50,219 Adam Curry: I can't say I can't say it's a bad thing. You know, 159 00:09:50,219 --> 00:09:53,249 I'm posting on Twitter. I'm posting DMS everywhere I'm 160 00:09:53,249 --> 00:09:57,119 sending an email like, this thing's broken. It's really when 161 00:09:57,179 --> 00:10:00,209 when the interface just is completely non responsive. Do 162 00:10:00,209 --> 00:10:02,999 you click and nothing happens it's, you know that you don't 163 00:10:02,999 --> 00:10:05,789 know if it's you if it's your browser or if it's DNS, you 164 00:10:05,789 --> 00:10:09,359 know, go it was OBS, you go through all these things like 165 00:10:09,359 --> 00:10:11,669 now and that's definitely and then I remembered that he had 166 00:10:11,669 --> 00:10:14,099 made this change like Okay, so that's probably where it came 167 00:10:14,099 --> 00:10:19,709 from. So today I kind of had to learn split kit and he has a 168 00:10:19,709 --> 00:10:25,949 tutorial. And this thing does a lot. It really you can build 169 00:10:25,949 --> 00:10:29,879 blocks, you can search songs, you can do it, you can do the, 170 00:10:29,909 --> 00:10:33,209 you know, the songs can be in a playlist. There's so much to 171 00:10:33,209 --> 00:10:36,719 them. I was a little overwhelmed. Just getting it all 172 00:10:36,719 --> 00:10:39,539 set up, but I think it's working. We'll know because we 173 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:42,749 are guests. One of our guests has chosen the song for today. 174 00:10:43,529 --> 00:10:48,059 But also I am very excited because it looks like we have 175 00:10:48,059 --> 00:10:54,839 some massive movement in the remote item. Value time split 176 00:10:55,259 --> 00:11:03,329 arena where you and I have both seen a demo from a fountain of 177 00:11:03,329 --> 00:11:05,999 how fountain when I don't want to give it away because you 178 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:08,849 obviously Oscar wants to surprise everybody with the 179 00:11:08,849 --> 00:11:14,279 ideas that he has. But wow, it's it's I really love what he's 180 00:11:14,279 --> 00:11:21,029 done. Hold on second. If someone vacuuming? No, no, I think it's 181 00:11:21,029 --> 00:11:26,819 I think it's a mind. Vacuum now she's now she's sleeping. Very 182 00:11:26,819 --> 00:11:34,919 interesting way of implementing. What am I hearing now? I hear 183 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:38,339 feedback. Yeah, no, yeah, no, someone is literally vacuuming 184 00:11:38,369 --> 00:11:41,069 like, you know, I do so many podcasts that just don't give a 185 00:11:41,069 --> 00:11:42,389 crap anymore to 186 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:49,710 Dave Jones: every podcast. We've never live, this is 187 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:54,330 Adam Curry: true. Anyway, a very interesting way of surfacing 188 00:11:54,330 --> 00:12:00,000 remote items as they pertain to value time splits. Really very 189 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,210 focused. Well, not just focused on music, but it'd be really 190 00:12:03,210 --> 00:12:07,950 interesting a very cool implementation for music. And, 191 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:11,790 and along with that, you know, Austin has been talking to the 192 00:12:11,790 --> 00:12:14,340 wavelength guys and so now they've gotten a fire under 193 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:18,120 there but all of a sudden, and there have you seen any any 194 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,580 action from them, but they putting stuff into the index? or 195 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:24,660 what have you seen from them? I saw a blog post from them guys 196 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:28,500 saw that too. Yeah, that's what I saw. How do you interpret the 197 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:29,250 blog post 198 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:34,680 Dave Jones: and interpret it as they are getting getting geared 199 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,380 up? Like they're, they're getting ginned up and ready to 200 00:12:38,220 --> 00:12:42,780 you know, I mean, like, like that they feel that they feel 201 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:46,200 like things have come along or about to come along to a point 202 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,040 where they want to go full, full 203 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:52,769 Adam Curry: bore, like Yeah, that's that's the feeling I got 204 00:12:52,769 --> 00:12:53,159 to 205 00:12:53,669 --> 00:12:56,759 Dave Jones: I know that that's not very clear. No, 206 00:12:57,299 --> 00:13:00,689 Adam Curry: I think it's that they are possibly considering 207 00:13:00,689 --> 00:13:05,879 doing configurable splits, maybe maybe not. 208 00:13:06,539 --> 00:13:09,269 Dave Jones: did say that they said that in the blog post that 209 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:12,059 that's on there. Right that that's on their roadmap. Yeah. 210 00:13:12,419 --> 00:13:16,529 Adam Curry: In addition to that, I think they're going to use 211 00:13:16,619 --> 00:13:22,919 people tag tag. And you know, so I'm getting ready now because 212 00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:26,639 you know, I said what I think so we have pod freight curio caster 213 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:30,959 pod friend pod vers pod versus value time split now I think 214 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,479 right? It's it's still in beta is that being full full blown 215 00:13:33,479 --> 00:13:33,899 mode? 216 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,769 Dave Jones: Pod verse is I don't know if he released it yet. 217 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:40,680 Adam Curry: Okay. We'll have found and all this coming this 218 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,110 month I think by the end of the month, so I'm getting my music 219 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:46,650 show ready. And I'm very excited about this um, you know, coming 220 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:51,810 up with you know, go back and forth you know, I would 221 00:13:51,810 --> 00:13:54,930 initially said I'll do the wave like top 40 But I I'd like to 222 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:58,080 keep it a little more open. Yeah, I agree. Because we have 223 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,790 all kinds of people who will be hosting music and self hosted 224 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:06,600 through Ellen, Ellen beats etc. And so I have a couple of things 225 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,240 to discuss with you moving forward that I want to run back 226 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,490 to I want to talk to you about this earlier the week but we 227 00:14:11,490 --> 00:14:14,700 were both busy man they really don't give a crap. They just 228 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:23,310 hear it now. Mixtures vacuum cleaners are you at a hotel? I 229 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:26,550 think someone is using a drill for some reason I'm not sure 230 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:31,410 what they're doing out there. Did the work so a couple things. 231 00:14:33,510 --> 00:14:37,200 Actually, it kind of came to me while I was talking to Oscar but 232 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,490 also I saw what contracts is doing and I'm very I love what 233 00:14:41,490 --> 00:14:44,310 contracts are doing your contract started as you know, 234 00:14:44,490 --> 00:14:48,270 basically a stats package that integrated with the get Alby 235 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:52,770 wallet, but now they're really becoming a you know, they're 236 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,030 they're marketing themselves as a place to monetize your podcast 237 00:14:57,030 --> 00:15:01,110 to grow your podcast. They tweeting out stuff like short 238 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:03,510 and practical advice to increase the support you get from 239 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:07,500 listeners, you can onboard. So they they have, they have access 240 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:10,800 to the Partner API. And they can, and they can onboard 241 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,240 podcasts into value for value. And I really like what they're 242 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:20,610 doing. That mean just the, you know, the kind of, in an odd 243 00:15:20,610 --> 00:15:24,120 way, they are filling a void that hosting companies can't 244 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:28,230 Most hosting companies can't keep up with the demand. You 245 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:32,970 know, like, just adding features is a big deal. When you have a 246 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:36,300 hosting company, you know, a lot can go wrong, you can screw up a 247 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:39,000 lot of feeds, you know, I understand you have to be kind 248 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,240 of careful with stuff like that. So I'm like Lipson literally 249 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,900 can't afford it. I mean, I interview today with the interim 250 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:51,330 CEO, he doesn't expect to do any real 2.0 namespace tags until 251 00:15:51,330 --> 00:15:54,510 2024, because of market conditions, so IE, they don't 252 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:57,720 have the money, which is sad. And I thought it was sad to hear 253 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,570 that. Yeah. But they're considering AI. Thank God. 254 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:04,110 Dave Jones: Market conditions don't affect that. 255 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,500 Adam Curry: No, evidently not. So this is what I've always 256 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:11,580 thought would be cool. I see. IPFS podcasting. Now. You know, 257 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:14,850 if you if you put a 1% split in your value block, they'll 258 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:18,300 they'll pin you, they'll scan you. I mean, people are starting 259 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:22,350 to use this kind of, I've always called it the podcast or the 260 00:16:22,350 --> 00:16:25,980 podcast creator API. You know, you don't really need to do 261 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:29,310 anything, but just have to know how to put a split into your 262 00:16:29,310 --> 00:16:30,510 into your value block. 263 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,540 Dave Jones: Yes, the plug is the plug in model, the podcaster 264 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:37,950 plug in podcast, API. Exactly. Yeah. You just plug somebody in 265 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:38,670 your valuables 266 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:42,120 Adam Curry: are working. Exactly. I love it. Now. Here's 267 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,350 what I want to talk to you about. So the by far the 268 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:54,090 biggest. I would say the biggest opportunity for music is we've 269 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:58,380 talked about this before SoundCloud. And SoundCloud does 270 00:16:58,380 --> 00:17:02,130 not enable their RSS feeds by default, but they have RSS feeds 271 00:17:02,130 --> 00:17:06,300 with enclosures. If you do a search on the podcast index, 272 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:10,080 you'll just do for SoundCloud. You'll see a lot of results. I 273 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,390 don't know how many, but there's a lot of results for SoundCloud 274 00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:20,010 a lot. So in this whole onboarding mechanism, here was 275 00:17:20,010 --> 00:17:25,350 my thought. If someone onboards a podcast or the podcast 276 00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:30,360 presumably has already has an artist, the music The artist has 277 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:33,630 an RSS feed. And whether that's through wave lake or but 278 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:36,210 Melissa, for argument's sake, let's just say SoundCloud 279 00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:39,990 because that's truly what I'm targeting here. So you can say 280 00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:45,480 to an artist, hey, click this thing in your in your SoundCloud 281 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:50,190 dashboard, that turns on your RSS feed, add it to the index, 282 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,890 everybody can pretty much do that. It's clear because people 283 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:57,300 have already done it, then go to an onboarding partner. In this 284 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:01,350 case, I'll use fountain as an example. Fountain will onboard 285 00:18:01,350 --> 00:18:04,530 them will onboard them with the wallet the way they do podcasts 286 00:18:04,530 --> 00:18:09,840 currently. And then give someone the option to flip a switch to 287 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,040 say this is music. And that would then feed back into the 288 00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:18,930 index to set the medium equals music tag. I know it's a Shem 289 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:22,260 but I think it would blow everything out of the water 290 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:28,920 Dave Jones: yeah, 291 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:33,210 Adam Curry: the enthusiasm is so much I have to backup so doesn't 292 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:34,590 splatter me in the face. 293 00:18:38,010 --> 00:18:41,520 Dave Jones: Man, I don't like the shim part. I mean, I know 294 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,640 what you're saying because we went down this route with with 295 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:46,080 transcripts to 296 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,220 Adam Curry: write but I see the difference here 297 00:18:55,500 --> 00:19:03,210 Dave Jones: why like? Yeah, yes, no, I see what you mean. And I 298 00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:04,830 see what you mean because your day 299 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,700 Adam Curry: we're not asking for any remote information. We're 300 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,550 not hosting anything. All we're doing is setting a bid in our 301 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:17,340 database. Right just and that would be I guess the only way to 302 00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:20,310 do it unless you know people start bugging their their 303 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:23,970 hosting companies like SoundCloud to make that a 304 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:24,630 feature. 305 00:19:25,890 --> 00:19:29,070 Dave Jones: See that? That's what I that's what it should be 306 00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:32,100 on the obvious. I mean, let's just go again say that I mean 307 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,700 that they should have an option there absolutely, absolutely. 308 00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:43,470 Make this music in the feed itself in like the we need a 309 00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:44,460 Shem theory. 310 00:19:45,780 --> 00:19:49,920 Adam Curry: Title. You know what I mean? Yeah. 311 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,390 Dave Jones: We need a shim theory this here under these 312 00:19:54,390 --> 00:20:00,330 circumstances. It's an under certain under conditions. X X Y 313 00:20:00,330 --> 00:20:07,920 and Z. That's when you shim Yes, yes, if x y if x, y or z do not 314 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,690 obtain don't shim. 315 00:20:11,580 --> 00:20:15,330 Adam Curry: So the the reason why I thought this was, we have 316 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:18,150 not come up with a shim theory yet. The reason why I thought 317 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:20,520 this was acceptable is because this is an onboarding 318 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:28,320 specifically to enable value for value. And value for value music 319 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,280 doesn't work unless the medium equals music tag is set. So 320 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:35,490 there's so there would not be a different way to do it, we 321 00:20:35,490 --> 00:20:39,510 wouldn't just give everybody the opportunity to set that only if 322 00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:43,680 you go through an onboarding process, you know, I guess, in 323 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,470 theory, podcast or wallet, but I don't think anybody will do 324 00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:53,880 that, because of the podcasts or moniker. But this on the 325 00:20:53,880 --> 00:21:00,390 onboarding part, is the same for hosting companies. They're not 326 00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:04,440 going to do this for a long time. Because they're not set up 327 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:11,280 to host music. They're not. They are not, it's, you know, because 328 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,730 it's not just flipping a bit for them. It's setting a whole new 329 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:19,320 path, writing a whole writing new language, and to have 330 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,620 contracts or Well, blueberry, I think would probably do it. You 331 00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:28,830 know, blueberry would would probably with the WordPress 332 00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:32,670 plugin would probably create the secondary path, I would imagine. 333 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:36,540 Seems like that's a logical partner to do this. Because you 334 00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:39,990 can self host it, you don't necessarily need, you know, you 335 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:43,200 don't necessarily need big hosting, so you can get a very 336 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:48,480 inexpensive hosting plan. It's really, it's really the setting 337 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,060 of the bid for someone who's serious about monetizing their 338 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:57,060 music. That's, that was my hope. I understand your apprehension. 339 00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,250 You are in fact speechless for a moment that doesn't happen 340 00:21:59,250 --> 00:21:59,640 often. 341 00:22:02,670 --> 00:22:07,140 Dave Jones: So yeah, I mean, Steven B says it ends up hurting 342 00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:11,610 wavelike, who's already hosting music and Wallace? Yeah, I mean, 343 00:22:11,610 --> 00:22:12,300 that's true, too. 344 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:16,800 Adam Curry: Well, hold on it. Did. I mean, did the shim not 345 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,230 hurt other people who set up value blocks? 346 00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:23,250 Dave Jones: Well, the shim exists, like the shim existed 347 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:27,930 before the shim existed before anybody did vote me like it 348 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:33,630 literally was the true truth strap. And so that that 349 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:37,500 continued, because it was very for a long time, because it was 350 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,550 almost impossible. Honestly, we could probably get rid. At this 351 00:22:41,550 --> 00:22:44,040 point. We almost could get rid of podcasts or wallet. 352 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:47,010 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, I'm in total agreement. But before we 353 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:52,530 go, talking about that, the four to eight minutes. I mean, the 354 00:22:52,530 --> 00:22:57,720 difference here is we we really don't have a big pool. I'm going 355 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,840 to be able to do five, five episodes of my show. And I'm out 356 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:06,000 of wavelengths songs. I gotcha. Yeah. And if I'm, if I know I 357 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,370 can do it, because if I do a call out to everybody, if you 358 00:23:08,370 --> 00:23:10,860 want this to happen, go to wave legs. I think that's just as 359 00:23:10,860 --> 00:23:13,920 dangerous as saying all your wallet should be Albie, because 360 00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:16,800 we're going to it's all going to bite us in the ass, believe me, 361 00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:21,300 I'll be will go down, there will be an incredible crisis. It's 362 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,000 all it's you can you know what's gonna happen? I'm not trying to 363 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:28,470 manifest. But this, this will happen. So we need this 364 00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:33,420 diversity. And I'm not sure where the dystopia guys are. I 365 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:37,260 don't see anything from them. Honestly, that's coming into the 366 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:38,010 index yet. 367 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:40,920 Dave Jones: There's some there's some stuff here. There's some 368 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:41,250 stuff. 369 00:23:43,620 --> 00:23:48,540 Adam Curry: Anyway, why it's so interesting, because I think 370 00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:53,100 that we're at the point where, if you think about the Okay, 371 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,160 let's go back to my original premise. If you think about the, 372 00:23:57,540 --> 00:24:03,780 the podcast or plugin, labs now have the ability to offer so 373 00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:08,820 many more features, through, you know, the basically plugging in 374 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:13,530 lightning splits, that they will far surpass what hosting 375 00:24:13,530 --> 00:24:19,050 companies can never do to make any sense. Yeah, so the only 376 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:21,990 thing this is going to hurt all hosting companies long term 377 00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:26,910 because they're just slow. And, you know, like, I see Buzzsprout 378 00:24:26,910 --> 00:24:29,040 who of course, we love Buzzsprout, the one of the first 379 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,500 to implement almost every everything that was important to 380 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:36,510 us. But they focus on very different things. And they're 381 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:39,900 focusing on their subscriptions and advertising and that you 382 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:42,330 don't really hear them, you know, yeah, from time to time to 383 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:47,220 talk about value for value. But then they're, they're never 384 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:52,140 really going to be focused on it. And I think if we, and 385 00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:57,210 maybe, maybe that maybe this is where shim theory comes in. Now, 386 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,950 because no one's really set up for the A documentaries or film 387 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:05,460 or any of the other medium tags, and they're just going to be 388 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,550 lingering there. Because, you know, we've seen that we so 389 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:12,810 since we implemented the medium tag for music, we really only 390 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,900 have one, one outfit that's doing it. 391 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,010 Dave Jones: Another another not opposed to shim, I'm just I want 392 00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:27,780 to make sure that you can shim and vary in different places, 393 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:32,250 and an own make sure that the shim happens at the proper at 394 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:36,030 that at what we would all consider to be the proper place 395 00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:36,990 graders like, which 396 00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:39,300 Adam Curry: is why I said it would be like podcast or wallet 397 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:44,280 or through the because that's where the original Shem was put. 398 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,990 Dave Jones: Right? Yeah. So there's this is there's a few 399 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:51,990 different ways you can do. You could do this, like initially, 400 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:56,520 it's going to be very much a trickle. I think we can agree 401 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,300 with that. Right? I mean, we're gonna get there's not a whole 402 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:03,000 there's not music is not flooding into the podcasting. 403 00:26:04,290 --> 00:26:08,070 Adam Curry: But this is, okay. This is why I'm suggesting it 404 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:15,390 because I believe that if I can say you can self host through 405 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:20,160 music side project, you can use Wave Lake, and I don't know 406 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,370 where wave Lake is with their splits, you know, they I saw the 407 00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:27,360 blog post. I'm not sure what this topia is doing. But if I 408 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,240 can say, Oh, you already have the music on on SoundCloud. 409 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,680 Click this bit, go into this go into this app, whichever one it 410 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,770 is, I'm going to use fountain as an example. Because you know, 411 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:41,820 they're they're going to do they will be ready to do this. And 412 00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:46,200 there you can set up your splits your wallet and and make sure 413 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,660 your music is discoverable as playable music in the index. I 414 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:54,930 think I think that actually will create a lot of music coming 415 00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:55,830 into the index. 416 00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:00,090 Dave Jones: Couldn't they just like, Okay, you take the amount 417 00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:04,470 lunch bumper, I'm gonna play devil's advocate. Sure. So you 418 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:08,730 have that amount of work, whatever, you know, X amount of 419 00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:13,230 work this is that you just described is that that actually 420 00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:19,140 probably is not that much more work, or the workload is not 421 00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:23,010 probably much different than if you just grabbed your music and 422 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:24,540 re uploaded it to wave Lake. 423 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,170 Adam Curry: No. Well, yes, that's correct. And I can 424 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:31,890 certainly do that is wavelength prepared for that? Do we want to 425 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:36,210 put it all onto one host? Do we want to make it will they have 426 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,770 I'm not a big fan? Or dystopia? I mean, I see nothing from 427 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:41,490 dystopia. 428 00:27:42,270 --> 00:27:43,980 Dave Jones: There's stuff in there. I'm looking at a feed 429 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:46,950 right now. I mean, it's got a place got the medium tag in its 430 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:53,040 there is to me, we've I don't think they've been they haven't 431 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:59,880 been as vocal about it as as wave Lake. But I mean, it is. 432 00:28:00,690 --> 00:28:06,450 I'm just thinking, if if we if you start if you start doing a 433 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:12,390 music show, and in then you know it because like, Okay, well, if 434 00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:16,950 you want your music here, you're gonna have to take grab your 25 435 00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:19,530 tracks, that you upload it to SoundCloud. 436 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,400 Adam Curry: Absolutely, I don't think it's the same amount of 437 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,940 work. But I absolutely agree that that is a perfectly good 438 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:30,210 path for people to go down. I was just trying to make it a 439 00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:36,540 little faster. And bigger with more because people it I truly 440 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,760 believe it's easier for people to say, Oh, I have to do this, 441 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,980 this and this. I already have everything up. Now, it's a new 442 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:47,430 feature, which I think would ultimately I mean, the 443 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:50,160 alternative is I just go and bitch and moan about SoundCloud 444 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,880 every single day. I mean, it's fine. But I just want more, I 445 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,700 just want more music, I will need more music. And, and so I 446 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,780 understand if the Shem has not if if it's not desirable, I 447 00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:07,080 understand that and I am not going to fight to the death for 448 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,190 it. But I just thought it was because I'm so so high on the 449 00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:15,630 whole idea of the podcast or plugin, you know, of stuff being 450 00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:21,330 enabled by me, you know, adding a split or doing something in an 451 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:25,560 app and not necessarily my hosting company. Because just as 452 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,830 I can't rely on any other hosting company, except you 453 00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:33,840 know, the one or two that are just starting, and I'm not a fan 454 00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:38,100 of the of the wave Lake non split system right now. And I 455 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,180 think they have work to do. 456 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,190 Dave Jones: They did for sure. Yeah. 457 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:43,620 Adam Curry: Where's that system is already set up. And maybe 458 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:46,800 they can implement the API, the Partner API and get it going 459 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,270 quick. I mean, that'd be fantastic. 460 00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:52,140 Dave Jones: The point I was starting to make a while ago 461 00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:57,390 about how this would be a trickle initially, is I don't 462 00:29:57,390 --> 00:30:04,410 mind instead of creating A a shim mechanism in the Partner 463 00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:12,600 API. You know, where I wonder if it's enough to just say, you 464 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:18,150 know, okay, you, you onboard yourself through, be a fifth of 465 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,340 a fountain or whatever, and then just let us know. And when wolf 466 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:27,210 flipped the bid for you, and I just put it in it, and it's it's 467 00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:31,380 manual initially. And just to get the thing off the ground, 468 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:34,200 Adam Curry: why would now that's, that seems like a worse 469 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,700 idea to me. Okay. I mean, why would we be flipping the bid for 470 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,670 people? We know, I mean, 471 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,760 Dave Jones: I'm concerned about it. I guess my bigger concern 472 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,670 about the shimming is that once you create, once you create 473 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:58,200 this, it's very fuzzy when you turn it. Dave, Dave Winer has as 474 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,180 good advice here, you know, he always said, he always said you 475 00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:07,710 never take a feature away. Right? You're you always add, 476 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:09,720 you don't want it, but you got to be careful what you add, 477 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,500 because you, you don't, not that you can't take it away. But you 478 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,590 should never, you know, quote unquote, should never take it 479 00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:21,690 away, because people become dependent upon it. And if we 480 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:27,240 have, if we put that feature in theirs, I don't ever want to be 481 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,460 in the position where we have to announce that we're going to 482 00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:35,100 take something away. And we I don't know, it just this, this 483 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,830 is the same. I don't know. 484 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Adam Curry: We don't need an answer, per se right now. 485 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,890 Dave Jones: I'd rather have some real I would rather really push 486 00:31:50,790 --> 00:31:55,230 like this. If you've if you've uploaded your stuff to 487 00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:58,500 SoundCloud, and it's music like it's actually music. 488 00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:01,080 Adam Curry: Yeah. Which I think is 99%. 489 00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:05,370 Dave Jones: And you and you give a crap about it. Like meaning 490 00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:09,210 that you meaning that you care, you didn't just upload a couple 491 00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,510 of tracks five years ago and don't and don't think about it 492 00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:17,310 anymore. Like if you're if you're an active participant in 493 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:23,190 in getting your music out there for people to hear. And you've 494 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:27,930 managed to upload it to SoundCloud. If you're probably 495 00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:34,080 pretty. I mean, you're probably technically sufficient enough to 496 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,740 also throw that thing up on wave Lake. He got to be I mean, like, 497 00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,780 it's got you got to be Yeah, no, I 498 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:42,420 Adam Curry: mean, no, I mean, no disagreement, but I just don't 499 00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:44,940 like the idea of relying on one company. 500 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,090 Dave Jones: I don't either. Yeah, we need to we need at 501 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:51,960 least two. Like, I'll talk to the Asha. Talk to the dystopia 502 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,170 go, we need to have more than podcasts anyway, we need to do 503 00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:57,420 that forever. Like, I can reach out today. 504 00:32:57,450 --> 00:33:01,410 Adam Curry: No, sure. We're Devin, I am being very clear 505 00:33:01,410 --> 00:33:04,800 about it. I would like to get everyone on SoundCloud to be 506 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,780 able to be available for playing in podcast. That's, that's truly 507 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:13,770 what you know. So there's people who are already in the index, 508 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:17,220 and they can't be played on podcast because they don't have 509 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,870 the music bitset I can find him and I can find some. But it's 510 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,150 not the same thing. They're not you know, they don't show up in 511 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:27,510 the split kit. You know, this, all these things don't work 512 00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:32,220 without the medium equals music set. That that's that's really 513 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:37,740 the you know, and there's ways around it. Right now, the music 514 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:43,350 business is in a very, like in a dead zone. People are 515 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:46,890 disillusioned by Spotify, that you know, what's happening is 516 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:50,910 they're, they're going to noster honestly, if anything, I feel 517 00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:54,150 like we're fighting noster because and you know, people Oh 518 00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:56,640 Nasir is a great place to go. And then you know, they get some 519 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,970 kind of zap or whatever. And they're going to end they're 520 00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,180 going to miss all the all the beauty and all the marketing of 521 00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:07,620 what we're doing. And of course, I've had lots of people on board 522 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:10,980 through wave Lake already, you know, in anticipation and I've 523 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:13,350 got people out there who were telling people to go to wave 524 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:20,670 Lake, right? I just want to create a revolution by making it 525 00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:23,790 something that people already have and upgrading it for them 526 00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:27,780 and not doing it. The honestly, to me it feels like the more we 527 00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:31,530 can't we don't do with the hosting companies do better. 528 00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:37,590 Because they're just slow. They just don't get stuff done. And I 529 00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:42,420 don't want to do it as as as podcasts index. But you know, 530 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,000 there are even people who are doing apps who are saying hey, 531 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,620 why would I just become a hosting company? Which I which I 532 00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:55,290 definitely advise against? wavelength will go through the 533 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:01,530 me already there's there's songs on there. See SoundCloud has a 534 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:05,820 lot already figured out mainly the legality. And my biggest 535 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:09,150 fear, didn't really want to i, this almost sounds like 536 00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:12,300 manifesting when we just talk about it. My biggest fear is you 537 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:18,210 get songs that are covers, etc. And they're gonna get in 538 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:20,940 trouble. It's gonna be it's gonna get in trouble. Of course, 539 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,910 you can't you can't do cover songs. You can't, you can't. You 540 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:28,200 can't just publish cover songs without proper without, you 541 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,860 know, without proper licensing and going through the proper 542 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:37,290 institutions. And that's something that SoundCloud has 543 00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:39,660 figured out a long time ago. So wave Lake will go through the 544 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:43,020 growing pains, and as well as anyone who does this from from 545 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:43,680 the get go. 546 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:46,920 Dave Jones: Well, you know, one thing that we did when Alex and 547 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:54,210 I did the the long, multiple months of AI, detailer, machine 548 00:35:54,210 --> 00:36:00,090 learning detection of music in the index, what we saw was that, 549 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:06,750 yes, there's tons of music on SoundCloud. But so much of it is 550 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:14,670 like, remix. It's like, House Trance music type, where it's 551 00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:18,660 just the it'll be like one track. And I'm not denigrating 552 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:22,590 and saying this is not valid. I mean, it's just fine. But it'll 553 00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:26,250 be but there's just so much of the same type of thing. That's 554 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:31,260 like one track. That's 30 minutes of just do. I mean, you 555 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:35,040 like, and I don't know, that it's not that that's not valid. 556 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,110 That's not what that's not the point I'm making. The point I'm 557 00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:39,990 making is I don't think you can make a show out of that. 558 00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:44,940 Adam Curry: Well, where you need to get out more. This is not 559 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:48,450 your kind of not mine. No, no, I agree. But not my kind of show. 560 00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:51,420 But this is I'm listening to what Kevin's doing here. He 561 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:57,120 that's, you know, that's that's his music. And so I can't you 562 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,580 know, that almost goes back to what is a podcast, you know, 563 00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:02,490 what, should we just cut off a cast? Because this shit? We 564 00:37:02,490 --> 00:37:04,800 don't always we don't we don't consider it a show. 565 00:37:05,969 --> 00:37:08,999 Dave Jones: I'm not really trying to not make that type of 566 00:37:08,999 --> 00:37:12,209 argument, I guess. Because I'm thinking about, that's just not 567 00:37:12,209 --> 00:37:14,489 the type of show I don't I don't think that's the type of show 568 00:37:14,489 --> 00:37:15,419 you want to make. 569 00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:18,090 Adam Curry: No, no, I don't. But I know that there's going to be 570 00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:20,700 other people who will there's going to be people who are doing 571 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:25,110 entire five hour dance party podcast, why not? You know, and 572 00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,110 they're just mixing all of those different tracks together. I'll 573 00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:30,300 tell you what, why don't we Why don't we bring in some other 574 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,580 board members and get their opinion on this. These people 575 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:36,930 are very smart. I agree. I think it's time to bring in our board 576 00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:41,580 members. They are very major podcasting 2.0 contributors. 577 00:37:41,820 --> 00:37:44,520 We'd like to say hello to the two men who are currently 578 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,010 working with Dave on the pier to plug in no agenda tube we 579 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520 welcome into the podcast and Tupelo boardroom Alex gates and 580 00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,000 Don Kimberlin known as airhead. Hello, gentlemen. Hey, all 581 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,980 right, weigh in. You've been listening. paladin, Alex, you 582 00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:05,670 always have something 583 00:38:06,869 --> 00:38:10,199 Unknown: just to weigh in. On the last point. I have a buddy. 584 00:38:11,219 --> 00:38:14,519 Actually, the official detox music guy, he wants to do a 585 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,829 dance party show, usually value free value. So he's actually big 586 00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:24,029 into sancha, too. So I mean, maybe get him to talk to them 587 00:38:24,029 --> 00:38:26,549 and modify their RSS feed. So you don't need the shame in the 588 00:38:26,549 --> 00:38:27,119 first place. 589 00:38:27,449 --> 00:38:28,739 Adam Curry: He has poor with I 590 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:32,040 would say as poor that he's a customer. 591 00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,830 He pays 20 bucks a month. I mean, that would obviously be 592 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,710 the way to go. But we've talked about it. You know, we've we've 593 00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:43,950 sent out messages. I mean, I don't know if they're, if 594 00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:47,250 they're, I mean, to me, it's like I don't even know how 595 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:52,410 they're surviving. SoundCloud. I don't know, I have no idea what 596 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:56,550 they're doing. I don't know anybody there. I do remember 597 00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:59,970 them putting RSS feeds in and calling themselves a podcast 598 00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,310 company when it was really hip to do so. 599 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,310 Dave Jones: Yeah, and, you know, there's also we forget about 600 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:09,780 band camp as well. Yeah. 601 00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:12,600 Adam Curry: I mean, well, obviously, this would work for a 602 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,950 whole bunch of already existing music services. That's, that's 603 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:20,280 so I'm not just talking about SoundCloud, but the capability 604 00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:23,940 for someone who is a musician to say I want to do this. I've 605 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:26,580 already put it into that they have to, they have to have an 606 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:30,210 RSS feed with enclosures, they have to put it into the index. 607 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:33,960 But then once you're serious about value for value, that's 608 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,700 one you have the opportunity to set the flip the bit that that 609 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:40,920 was my idea. I don't know Alex, do you have thoughts? 610 00:39:44,489 --> 00:39:47,249 Alecks Gates: Yeah, I mean the execution there's no issue issue 611 00:39:47,249 --> 00:39:47,609 there. 612 00:39:49,409 --> 00:39:52,019 Adam Curry: Sophocles, perfectly as clearly one. Yeah, I 613 00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:55,950 Unknown: think attribution like even if you're not into the 614 00:39:55,950 --> 00:40:01,320 whole Dj Mix that thing, just attribution to songs is a big is 615 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,590 a big issue. And that's why, like, if you do a DJ set on 616 00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:06,810 Spotify, you can't just publish the whole thing, you have to 617 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:11,310 divide it into a whole album playlist and, and give credit to 618 00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:14,490 all the different artists that are part of that mix. So 619 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:17,550 Adam Curry: now I'm talking more about that the concept of a Shem 620 00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:21,090 for the medium tag your thoughts on that? Oh, 621 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:28,860 Unknown: well, I don't know how valuable would be without the 622 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,680 value for value and integration. And I think we can do that 623 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:37,290 automatically. They would be good to have the information to 624 00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:40,110 reach out to artists. But that's, 625 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:42,360 Adam Curry: I'm not quite sure what you're saying? 626 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:46,740 Unknown: Well, it would be good to just understand just to have 627 00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,670 the data there, even if, even if it's not all value value, but it 628 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:53,040 would limit what you can do with it without the value value 629 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:54,090 automatically. One 630 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:58,290 Adam Curry: was okay, my specifically my proposal is, if 631 00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:03,510 you want, you can put your stuff in the index. And preferably 632 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:07,020 that would be if it's music, you want to find a way to make that 633 00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:11,130 music. But if you want to put your existing music that's on an 634 00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:15,120 RSS feed into the index and value for value, that then the 635 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,050 Partner API would have the capability for setting the 636 00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:25,290 medium tag in the index so that it can be used with value time 637 00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:30,660 split. So it's a philosophical idea of us creating a shim for 638 00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:34,080 people who want value for value enabled music and don't have 639 00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:35,940 that available at their host. 640 00:41:38,820 --> 00:41:40,470 Unknown: That's that's a hard one. 641 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,210 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's why that's why we asked you the hard 642 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:42,930 question, brother. 643 00:41:42,989 --> 00:41:47,549 Unknown: Yeah. I mean, if, if they have to opt into it? Yeah, 644 00:41:47,549 --> 00:41:52,349 I don't see the issue. I mean, it'd be, it'd be just one step 645 00:41:52,349 --> 00:41:56,609 below moving to wavelet. And some of that might be in both 646 00:41:56,609 --> 00:41:58,319 wave like in SoundCloud as it is. 647 00:41:59,130 --> 00:42:02,610 Dave Jones: Well, Nathan G said in the chat. He's like, in this 648 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:06,540 goes back to something that you envisioned that the whole reason 649 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:10,440 really you made the remote item tag. Initially, Alex was he 650 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,890 said, Nathan said, What about a service that generates a new RSS 651 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:17,160 feed filled with remote item tags, pointing to SoundCloud 652 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,920 feeds medium equals music and his own pay for Facebook is an 653 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,030 interesting idea. Yeah, I mean, you could you could, you could, 654 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:29,190 you know, Brett, you can make make a synthetic feed that does 655 00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:30,510 what we want it to do, 656 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:34,530 Adam Curry: which I'm not a big fan of in general. But it right, 657 00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:37,620 it can do it. But you know, then you get into the what was the 658 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:41,340 damn service called? Feed burner feed burner? Yeah. 659 00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:45,360 Unknown: Well, and one issue with that is yes, you can do 660 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,230 playlists that way. But I would not recommend doing play it like 661 00:42:49,230 --> 00:42:53,520 a remote item that points to another playlist isn't supposed 662 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,280 to have a remote item with a good if you don't, I mean, 663 00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:01,350 because there would just be a whole mess. So I mean, you could 664 00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:03,450 pull it off, but I would not recommend it. 665 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,870 Dave Jones: It could also be in podcast or wallet, I guess. They 666 00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:12,150 could go claim their feed and then set the bit themselves 667 00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:12,600 there 668 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,059 Adam Curry: was not the same as doing it to the Partner API. 669 00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:19,710 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, it is. It is, as this I keep going back 670 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:21,870 to this idea of I don't want to make people dependent on things, 671 00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:25,440 you know, like, I did it for the value for value, because it's 672 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,100 literally like nobody, nobody's ever going to do it. But we're 673 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,570 so I guess my trepidation was we're so close to the medium 674 00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:37,560 tag. And it's such a simple tag that I feel like with a little 675 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:45,120 bit of like, you know, marketing or or, or, you know, selectively 676 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,080 applied pressure, that, that we might be able to flip out and 677 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,410 get somebody to just do this thing. Like, it is such a simple 678 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:56,280 thing to do. It's not an overwhelming hurdle to jump over 679 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,340 like it was with the right value tag where you had to learn 680 00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:02,640 lightning and implement nodes and this kind of stuff. That's 681 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,570 true. That's true. 682 00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:09,060 Adam Curry: I mean, I'm with you on that. I'm with you. I think 683 00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:12,600 that's a whole bunch of things came in succession for me, where 684 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,550 I heard this really disappointing interview with the 685 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:17,940 interim CEO of Lipson saying, you know, well, market 686 00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:22,800 conditions don't allow us to add any more namespace tags until 687 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,280 2024. I'm like, holy crap, how bad is it? 688 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,819 Dave Jones: That doesn't make that that's just weird. No, 689 00:44:29,819 --> 00:44:30,089 maybe 690 00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:34,260 Adam Curry: it was bullcrap. I don't know. Mark and also and 691 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:37,590 also, you know, we just, you know, we have these apps coming 692 00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:40,290 online, but we have to proceed we have another problem or 693 00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:43,830 another challenge, I should say. Is right now pretty much the 694 00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:47,340 only feed generator that does this stuff is sovereign feeds. 695 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:53,850 So there's a whole nother issue. You know, and and we're well 696 00:44:53,850 --> 00:44:56,940 it's not true. We the split kit kitten takes care of a lot of 697 00:44:56,940 --> 00:45:02,250 it. I don't know So we're we're kind of we're almost in a 698 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:04,860 chicken in the egg situation, but we do have some eggs, I just 699 00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:05,670 don't want to break them. 700 00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:10,560 Dave Jones: But Alice is anybody publishing music on no agenda to 701 00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,619 Unknown: the rubbish. But the problem is there's no medium 702 00:45:16,619 --> 00:45:20,489 equals music without extending that in some manner. 703 00:45:21,389 --> 00:45:22,139 There is 704 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,559 Adam Curry: what you say done. 705 00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:29,850 Dave Jones: Oh, the lightning plugin does supplied an RSS feed 706 00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,570 that allows you to set the music tag, I've got a couple bands set 707 00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:37,770 up self hosted already peer tube, and you can listen to him 708 00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:41,700 on ln beats, they show up properly, still need to do some 709 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:45,150 refinement on the mp3 information and encoding 710 00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:49,260 optimally for audio only. But we're most of the way there, 711 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,660 Adam Curry: well, why don't we do this? Why don't we table 712 00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:59,280 this. And, you know, fountain is definitely going to target 713 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,490 artists to, to onboard them. And, you know, for now, they'll 714 00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:08,100 point towards, you know, whatever's there. So that would 715 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:13,860 be wave, Lake dystopia, self hosting, music side project, 716 00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:18,480 which, you know, Steven B has open source, which is great, but 717 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,030 I really would recommend against anybody who is not prepared to 718 00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:29,550 deal with all the logistics and legalistic of hosting music to 719 00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:32,070 start a business with that, because that can be you know, 720 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:39,450 overbearing i i wouldn't do it. And then help here too. But I 721 00:46:39,450 --> 00:46:42,540 mean, just when maybe what you say is marketing, which we're 722 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:43,290 really good at? 723 00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:45,870 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. 724 00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:50,850 Adam Curry: We're great at marketing. Maybe we just let the 725 00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:53,460 market well, we just let the market ride and see how wave 726 00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:57,600 like does, I'm just impatient, honestly, I just see this whole 727 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,360 universe of people who want to, we want to do it, and we just 728 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,380 have to go find him. 729 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,699 Dave Jones: But when fountain that's the thing is we're fat 730 00:47:05,999 --> 00:47:11,879 fountain is where the Bitcoin people live, is like that's, 731 00:47:11,909 --> 00:47:14,999 that's where they're going to live for. So when fountain comes 732 00:47:14,999 --> 00:47:18,059 out on that side of thing, and when fountain comes out of the 733 00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:22,559 gate, with with support for this, then people will 734 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,359 understand what's required. And that that really may move some 735 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:31,409 blockers on the needle Samba, if we wait until if we will wait 736 00:47:31,409 --> 00:47:34,829 and see. If it doesn't move the needle very much, then we can 737 00:47:34,829 --> 00:47:39,659 always do the shim and just say, and just let everybody know from 738 00:47:39,659 --> 00:47:42,719 the beginning, hey, this is very temporary, please understand 739 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,009 this is gonna go away as soon as there's as soon as we have, you 740 00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:51,359 know, more than one player here, right? I mean, like, we could 741 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,759 just be very upfront and say, Please don't depend on this 742 00:47:53,759 --> 00:47:55,289 being around for the next 10 years. 743 00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:59,850 Adam Curry: or anything for that matter. What right might not be 744 00:47:59,850 --> 00:48:02,820 around for 10 more years, it'll be almost 70 Are you kidding me? 745 00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:11,370 I'll tell you what, we have a lot to talk about with with Alex 746 00:48:11,370 --> 00:48:14,610 and Don about the peer to plugin about the stuff you guys are 747 00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:17,790 doing with streaming and I actually have a couple questions 748 00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:21,690 myself as it pertains guy and I'm delighted to hear that the 749 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:26,220 plugin will do. Man Don, you are making a lot of noise brother. 750 00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:37,020 Sorry. public shaming, just like who is that? I'm looking at the 751 00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:42,330 meters like it's done. Should we play this? We played the 752 00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:45,870 requested song first just so we can get the scissors out of the 753 00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:49,260 way. Let me see if this is the split kit works. Let's play a 754 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:51,630 song so people can even understand what we're talking 755 00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:55,350 about. Yeah, now let's do it. Alex, you wanted to tell us 756 00:48:55,350 --> 00:48:59,970 about your choice I chose right in progress. Although uh now I'm 757 00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,780 kind of sad because you actually mentioned the other guy there 758 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:05,100 with the techno song. 759 00:49:05,759 --> 00:49:08,849 Unknown: Oh, that's well that's okay. Yeah, there is a I heard 760 00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:12,359 this and it reminded me as the first or second time I was on 761 00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:15,329 the show, when you were playing Rage Against the Machine in the 762 00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:19,379 pre show and it just gave me the kind of vibe so that's why I 763 00:49:19,379 --> 00:49:19,799 picked it. 764 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:23,100 Adam Curry: Well, for those of you who are listening if you are 765 00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:28,080 not listening in pod friend or curio caster and perhaps pod 766 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,470 verse, please switch for this and boost these guys after the 767 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:34,320 fact or go back and listen to the show again, because it 768 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,980 really makes a difference when when musicians see Satoshi 769 00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:42,120 showing up and they start to get value it really sparks something 770 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,660 and gets them really excited. So here we go. Hopefully everything 771 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:50,250 switches automatically I now have activated the riot in 772 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:55,710 progress. Value block by request. This is heads up a 773 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:57,180 podcasting 2.0 774 00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:07,799 See 775 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:16,320 Unknown: always do 776 00:50:22,949 --> 00:50:23,519 Adam Curry: face 777 00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:32,640 Unknown: it again 778 00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:38,370 right to see this through the live show no to it again 779 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:26,010 Dave Jones: ACL is being used you? 780 00:53:43,739 --> 00:53:47,069 Adam Curry: RIGHT IN PROGRESS heads up here on podcasting 2.0 781 00:53:47,069 --> 00:53:52,079 that works quite well and split kid automatically defaults back 782 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,989 to the podcast or block after the song is over Nice. 783 00:53:55,469 --> 00:54:00,689 Dave Jones: Oh yeah cuz it ended immediately like the artwork 784 00:54:00,689 --> 00:54:01,169 went back 785 00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,779 Adam Curry: that is sexy man I liked that and I was looking at 786 00:54:03,779 --> 00:54:09,389 the heli pad and Steven B was boosting from the split kit even 787 00:54:09,389 --> 00:54:13,529 though I didn't publish anything so I guess he knew but I guess 788 00:54:13,529 --> 00:54:18,509 he knows how to get that and it comes in as heads up so it shows 789 00:54:18,509 --> 00:54:22,169 me the title yeah that's very cool and I saw you boosted Dave 790 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:29,370 Dave Jones: I did nice the Eric PP has been making pull requests 791 00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:33,870 on Hello Pat he's he's changing some stuff so Oh, yeah, I'm 792 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:36,180 really appreciative of that. He's He's going in there he's 793 00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:38,670 he's making the making things better. 794 00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:43,530 Adam Curry: I am I'm by the way I'm taking suggestions for the 795 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:48,150 name of the music show. Oh, if anyone has any boosts that to 796 00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:52,110 me. And I'm going to get started pretty soon I'm probably going 797 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:55,740 to start before fountain comes out so I can kind of get my feet 798 00:54:55,740 --> 00:54:58,560 wet and get it going and I'm not quite sure I'm going to have an 799 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,800 idea of what I want to do but I I want to do a variety of music. 800 00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:05,490 And not in you know, not just the wavelength top 10. But 801 00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:08,760 there's other stuff I want. And I actually I'd love to be able 802 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,570 to get music from all different hosts. So everyone gets a little 803 00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:15,660 piece of the action, a little piece of the fun. So it'll be 804 00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:18,660 like podcasting. 2.0, for value for value music. 805 00:55:20,219 --> 00:55:24,209 Dave Jones: Are you? So are you going to do this? What What kind 806 00:55:24,209 --> 00:55:25,919 of schedule Are you going to be on? You're just going to do it 807 00:55:25,919 --> 00:55:29,459 whenever you get enough stuff in the hopper, I'd like to, 808 00:55:29,699 --> 00:55:33,389 Adam Curry: I'd like to do it weekly. But my rule is always 809 00:55:33,389 --> 00:55:36,179 you got to do it weekly, you got to do it more or less the same 810 00:55:36,179 --> 00:55:40,199 day more or less the same time? That's, that's what I'm hoping 811 00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,689 for. Because I need more podcasts in my life. 812 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,820 Dave Jones: To date. I mean, daily source code was not 813 00:55:44,820 --> 00:55:47,670 regular for a long time. And you still had tons of listeners. 814 00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:48,120 Yeah, that's 815 00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,369 Adam Curry: true. That's true. But I and I considered just 816 00:55:50,369 --> 00:55:53,309 resurrecting daily source code. But that feels wrong. For some 817 00:55:53,309 --> 00:55:57,359 reason. Just this is new. This is a new thing. It definitely 818 00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:00,089 won't be daily that will just confuse people. It always did. 819 00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:06,119 Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited. I'm very excited about this stuff. 820 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,749 And it's going to unleash a whole new category of 821 00:56:09,749 --> 00:56:14,339 podcasting, podcast hosts will, will want to be a part of this. 822 00:56:14,909 --> 00:56:17,279 And I would say, you know, look at Sovereign feeds for an 823 00:56:17,279 --> 00:56:20,219 example or split kit. Really, we're really just integrate with 824 00:56:20,219 --> 00:56:23,699 split kit. I mean, that thing is it's pretty mature. I mean, it 825 00:56:23,699 --> 00:56:27,479 takes a minute to figure it out. But it's got groovy icons, and 826 00:56:27,479 --> 00:56:31,169 you know, it's got a it's got a real UI that you know, that. 827 00:56:31,619 --> 00:56:34,769 Yeah, makes sense. And it integrates with the index for 828 00:56:34,769 --> 00:56:37,949 the music that's available a minute and for for someone who 829 00:56:37,949 --> 00:56:42,119 just wants to do a music podcast, or other things. It's 830 00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:46,049 it's in there. So maybe they would only have to really 831 00:56:46,049 --> 00:56:49,619 integrate with split kit. Just take those parameters for your 832 00:56:49,709 --> 00:56:53,159 remote valid remote item, I guess. Is that is that the way 833 00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:53,669 it works? 834 00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:57,900 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. And we, in order to make this more 835 00:56:57,900 --> 00:57:03,810 palatable. For apps, though, we need some sort of solution for 836 00:57:03,810 --> 00:57:05,400 this socket issue. 837 00:57:05,790 --> 00:57:08,010 Adam Curry: Well, that's for the live stuff for the live stuff. 838 00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:09,030 Right? Yeah, 839 00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:11,160 Dave Jones: man. But I mean, that's, I feel like a live event 840 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,190 I live is a big component of this. Oh, you're gonna have a 841 00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:15,690 lot of people want to listen live? 842 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,500 Adam Curry: Yeah, that's where you get the boost to? Yeah, if 843 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,620 you if you really want to do some value for value, you do it 844 00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:26,430 live. People love live shows. It's just the fact they love it. 845 00:57:26,430 --> 00:57:28,980 They love the pew pew, which I turned off during the songs. 846 00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:29,370 Hello. 847 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:37,950 Dave Jones: Alex, what? Like, do you have any? Do you have any 848 00:57:37,950 --> 00:57:41,220 strategy for that on no agenda tube as far as like how you're 849 00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:46,020 going to communicate, you know, changes with the with the value 850 00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,810 time split? I guess just WebSocket? Or what are your 851 00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:49,350 thoughts there? 852 00:57:50,219 --> 00:57:55,979 Unknown: Yeah, we'll probably so Stephens got a experimental tag 853 00:57:56,009 --> 00:58:00,449 in his in the sovereign feeds feed already. It's like live 854 00:58:00,449 --> 00:58:03,689 values. I don't remember what it is exactly. But it's, it's using 855 00:58:03,689 --> 00:58:08,129 the Socket IO, Socket IO protocol. And we'll probably 856 00:58:08,129 --> 00:58:10,319 just get together I've been going back and forth with him, 857 00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:13,649 since he started will probably just document that schema and 858 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:20,699 implemented in in the same way. So and that would be done via a 859 00:58:20,699 --> 00:58:23,999 plugin either either donkey with lightning, or I'll probably make 860 00:58:23,999 --> 00:58:27,839 a podcast in 2.0 plug into for some separate functionality. So 861 00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:30,630 Dave Jones: how do you do this? The question really, I guess, 862 00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:34,290 for for both of you had, how do you figure out when you have a 863 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,310 when you have a function out late? So let me try to explain 864 00:58:38,310 --> 00:58:40,380 this so that people understand and then you can correct me if 865 00:58:40,380 --> 00:58:45,480 I'm wrong. And then I'll ask my question. The peer tube is a is 866 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,140 a sort of is a core, it provides a bunch of core features and 867 00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:54,780 then everything additional, like RS like RSS feeds for 868 00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:59,550 podcasting, 2.0 and the lightning value, boosting that 869 00:58:59,550 --> 00:59:04,680 Don did all those things. It's all plugins. So you write a plug 870 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,090 in to add a new feature on top is this pretty straightforward? 871 00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:11,700 explanation? 872 00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:14,340 Unknown: Yeah, yes or no, for the most part, without getting 873 00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:19,830 too technical, I had to add to upstream the RSS changes we did 874 00:59:19,830 --> 00:59:25,410 for the podcast RSS feature for peer tube because that modifies 875 00:59:25,410 --> 00:59:28,620 some core functionality. But what I did it in the process was 876 00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:32,880 I made it I get I give I give plugins the ability to modify 877 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,180 the fields and add extra features to which is how Dan's 878 00:59:36,180 --> 00:59:37,980 lightning plugin is adding the value blocks. 879 00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:41,520 Dave Jones: Okay, so that's what you upstreamed is the ability 880 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,800 for plugins to make those changes. 881 00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:47,910 Unknown: Yeah, along with it with a default podcast RSS feeds 882 00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:51,360 that has the medium Miko video and in the live items for live 883 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,710 stream. Okay, so 884 00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:56,100 Dave Jones: now with so let me see if I understand. So starting 885 00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:02,940 with Pierre to version 5.2. The default RSS feed that you get is 886 01:00:02,940 --> 01:00:06,030 a better quality feed, and it's got the median in there. 887 01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:10,499 Unknown: Yep, it's got the medium, it's got a live item, 888 01:00:10,499 --> 01:00:15,749 it's got alternate enclosures, which will probably expand upon 889 01:00:15,749 --> 01:00:18,329 a lot. It's also got the activity palette for cross F 890 01:00:18,329 --> 01:00:23,069 comments. So it's got the, it's got all the basics, you need to 891 01:00:23,099 --> 01:00:24,569 talk about packaged application. 892 01:00:25,139 --> 01:00:28,559 Dave Jones: That's excellent. So when you have a situation like 893 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:32,879 that, like, like, Don, when you're looking at it thing like 894 01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:37,349 the remote, like value time split? How do you figure out 895 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:41,369 whether that's going to be a, you know, something that you put 896 01:00:41,369 --> 01:00:44,369 into your plugin? Or if there's overlap with some other plugin? 897 01:00:44,369 --> 01:00:46,409 And like, is it just a crapshoot? Or how do you figure 898 01:00:46,409 --> 01:00:48,179 out how to put that in? 899 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,990 Don Kimberlin (Errhead): I usually just try to implement it 900 01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:55,290 first, myself. And then if somebody else better implemented 901 01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:59,670 I move over to there and implementation. Yeah, but the 902 01:00:59,670 --> 01:01:03,150 lightning plugin, I put in my own RSS feed so that it would 903 01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:08,160 work better with podcasting 2.0. And then Alex's upstream changes 904 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,820 came in and I was able to just move that into there. So we can 905 01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:15,630 start with a plugin and the slower process for the upstream 906 01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:17,820 changes eventually will subsume it. 907 01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:22,950 Adam Curry: Dave, maybe you can just explain to people who are 908 01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:26,400 new to this exactly what peer tube is when you because you've 909 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,510 been I mean your knees deep in this and and I've only scoffed 910 01:01:30,510 --> 01:01:36,510 at it. Because I love because I love now I'm just not a video 911 01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:39,120 guy. But um, now I'm seeing that there's a lot of cool stuff we 912 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,910 could do with this not just video, obviously, but just 913 01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:44,430 explain what's going on with it, what the experimentation has 914 01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:48,000 been and where we're at. And so then you can plug in Don and 915 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,380 Alex in that conversation. 916 01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,160 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, I'll just I'll give a nice deep in 917 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,830 using it. There, you know, Alex's knees deep in actually 918 01:01:58,860 --> 01:02:02,310 doing the work to get the podcast in 2.0 stuff in there. 919 01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:08,940 But I it like me peer to peer tube is open source, self hosted 920 01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:12,030 video, you can spin up a peer tube instance and high level 921 01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:16,200 overview here, spin up a peer tube instance. And self host 922 01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:21,120 videos for multiple users. I mean, it's basically YouTube at 923 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:21,570 a bar, 924 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,910 Adam Curry: what do you need to self host? What what are the 925 01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:24,870 requirements? 926 01:02:26,429 --> 01:02:28,709 Dave Jones: I mean, just out of the box, all you need is a 927 01:02:28,709 --> 01:02:34,889 server. But then if you have if you are going to do it in a sort 928 01:02:34,889 --> 01:02:39,209 of a better, like more efficient way you would do it like an 929 01:02:39,209 --> 01:02:42,509 Alex, you can explain this, you have your setup. You could you 930 01:02:42,509 --> 01:02:46,529 can offload your HLS chunks to object storage in and do it 931 01:02:46,529 --> 01:02:50,579 better like that. It's sort of like having the peer tube, the 932 01:02:50,579 --> 01:02:56,069 peer to software does the transcoding. And the UI delivery 933 01:02:56,099 --> 01:02:59,249 and that sort of thing. But then the the content is coming from 934 01:02:59,249 --> 01:03:02,639 somewhere else sort of like the fee sort of like serving RSS 935 01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:05,489 feed comes from the hosting company. But maybe the enclosure 936 01:03:05,489 --> 01:03:11,399 comes from some other CDN can you get is that fair? Alex? 937 01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:15,840 Unknown: Yeah, and that's that's really for when you get into 938 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,600 larger instances, like no agenda to where you have a lot of users 939 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,540 and a lot of video, you need to start doing a lot of that. But 940 01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:24,240 if you're just doing this on your own, you're just using a 941 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,970 small, probably two core gigabyte RAM VM. And you're good 942 01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:34,110 luck to mine. Yeah, yeah, even for live streaming, it's where 943 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,980 if you want to do like, if you want multiple resolutions when 944 01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:41,700 he lies to me, alternatively p 720. P, then you need a lot more 945 01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:45,990 horsepower. And I spin up a new VM every time every time a new 946 01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:48,900 live stream starts. So that's technically costly, but you 947 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,230 don't need that on your own. And the idea is to build the tools 948 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:57,150 make it easy for people to self host. So right now if you want 949 01:03:57,150 --> 01:04:00,390 to do live streaming, no peer tube, you just spin up a peer 950 01:04:00,390 --> 01:04:05,340 tube server and then install the pod ping plug in which I have 951 01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:09,720 which just does the piping that cloud integration and then if 952 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,610 you want a live chat in the next version of live chat plugin that 953 01:04:14,610 --> 01:04:17,370 will be available in the RSS feeds and then if you want 954 01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:22,500 basically super chat support Velious really support you and 955 01:04:22,830 --> 01:04:23,580 the lightning plugin 956 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,230 Adam Curry: Alright, so is this something that I can set mo up 957 01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:32,850 on because he's been wanting to migrate away from YouTube Live 958 01:04:32,850 --> 01:04:35,460 and have all the same functionality obviously with the 959 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:43,800 with the booster grams as as the super chat functionality? Can he 960 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:49,110 just point me set up an account point stream yard to no agenda 961 01:04:49,110 --> 01:04:53,250 tube and what else does he need? Does he just need a lightning 962 01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:55,680 address that to make it all work? 963 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,659 Unknown: Yeah, lightning I mean, nobody's obviously isora 964 01:05:01,019 --> 01:05:04,499 particularly works with you on node two. And Don can speak more 965 01:05:04,499 --> 01:05:08,129 to that. But yeah, that's all you should work with anything 966 01:05:08,129 --> 01:05:14,609 that produces RTMP. Which stream yard does. So yeah, we're fine. 967 01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:19,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, I set up a guy with a live streaming system 968 01:05:19,110 --> 01:05:23,430 with a $50 a year. EPS, it doesn't take much nowadays. Oh, 969 01:05:23,429 --> 01:05:27,359 Adam Curry: nice. And now with the with these streams, this is 970 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:31,529 one of the big things. Can you rewind? Can you go back and or 971 01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,809 start at the beginning? Can you do that kind of stuff? 972 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,890 Unknown: None. Yeah, it would break some of the ways it does. 973 01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:46,650 Peer to Peer bandwidth sharing, which, honestly, if you turn on 974 01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:49,620 low latency doesn't matter anyway, which I think a lot of 975 01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:53,670 people are going to do. But if you haven't, if you haven't 976 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:57,060 saved the VA, then it will save it just like on YouTube, and 977 01:05:57,060 --> 01:06:00,450 then on the RSS feed as well. So. 978 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,970 Dave Jones: So, Alex, when you're the peer, that's the part 979 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,670 that's one part that I that I didn't attempt to describe as 980 01:06:08,670 --> 01:06:12,990 the peer why it's called peer to peer to peer part of it. That's 981 01:06:13,050 --> 01:06:17,490 is that's done through Web. Web torrent. Is that right? 982 01:06:19,050 --> 01:06:22,560 Unknown: It's a modification of web torrent. So it's okay. Well, 983 01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:25,710 yeah, yes, I'll just say yes. Because it's complicated. 984 01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:33,480 Dave Jones: I guess you don't really have how often do you get 985 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,630 the benefit of that? I mean, in the real world, you would only 986 01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:36,960 really 987 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,370 Unknown: get it if you're having if you start getting hundreds or 988 01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:46,080 1000s of people. At that point, yeah, you may or may not be 989 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,430 interacting with a child much anyway. 990 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,290 Dave Jones: That p2p only really kicks in if there's a lot of 991 01:06:52,290 --> 01:06:56,220 people watching at the same time, which is mainly live. The 992 01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:00,780 peer to node is what really helps with the stored videos. So 993 01:07:00,780 --> 01:07:05,040 if you're watching it, no agenda tube animated on no agenda tube, 994 01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:09,270 you're getting like one eight, that video data from no agenda 995 01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:13,110 tubes, object storage, and the rest is coming from other peer 996 01:07:13,110 --> 01:07:16,320 tube servers that are sharing that redundantly. 997 01:07:16,469 --> 01:07:20,189 Unknown: Cool. Yeah, and just to explain some numbers here, when 998 01:07:20,189 --> 01:07:23,009 you talk about live streaming, I think I did some numbers for 999 01:07:23,009 --> 01:07:26,009 Dave, the other day, we were talking about Bitcoin in 1000 01:07:26,009 --> 01:07:31,529 Amsterdam, if we were to do a traditional attendee to p stream 1001 01:07:31,529 --> 01:07:37,199 would be like 6000 kilobits per second. That's roughly 4000 1002 01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:41,609 users without any p2p bandwidth sharing. But what do they say? 1003 01:07:41,609 --> 01:07:44,699 That'd be like, $15 an hour? Or something like 1004 01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:47,160 Dave Jones: that? 1350, I think is what you said. 1005 01:07:47,429 --> 01:07:51,689 Unknown: Yeah. So the cost isn't as high as it used to be. That's 1006 01:07:51,689 --> 01:07:54,809 what Linode object storage costs. So it depends on their 1007 01:07:54,809 --> 01:07:55,049 layer a 1008 01:07:55,050 --> 01:07:56,100 Dave Jones: little bit higher. Yeah. 1009 01:07:56,580 --> 01:07:58,110 Adam Curry: Yeah. But, 1010 01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:03,840 so just looking at the service, that is no agenda tube. How do 1011 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,110 you have the setup? So if someone wants to use no agenda 1012 01:08:07,110 --> 01:08:11,250 tube for live, but also for the recorded stuff that stays up 1013 01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:15,360 there or live in his later, retrievable through recorded? Do 1014 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:21,660 you have a put yourself in that value block immediately? Or by 1015 01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:24,450 default, so that, you know you're getting? You're getting 1016 01:08:24,450 --> 01:08:28,740 some some value for the service? What is the I mean, I know 1017 01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:31,290 you're doing because you just love doing it. But then if 1018 01:08:31,290 --> 01:08:34,680 someone really wants to make this into a service, what do you 1019 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:35,700 have set up for that? 1020 01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:40,470 Unknown: Yeah, by default, using Don's plug in every feed, I know 1021 01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:44,100 generative has a I think it's 20%. But for no genyoutube Right 1022 01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:48,600 now, which is probably high, but we don't really get anything 1023 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,950 anyway right now. So I'm going to lower that to if if I believe 1024 01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:56,460 it kicks off, but I'm also considering having a separate 1025 01:08:56,460 --> 01:08:59,160 service that isn't free for everybody. So 1026 01:09:00,690 --> 01:09:03,960 Dave Jones: yeah, that probably makes no probably makes sense to 1027 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,100 because it means that whole thing of whenever you kick off 1028 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,770 something that's free for free forever, you know, open 1029 01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:12,960 registration, that kind of thing is just such 1030 01:09:12,989 --> 01:09:17,369 Adam Curry: everybody always wants. They all want. Once free. 1031 01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:20,909 Unknown: We disable open registration, was it last year. 1032 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:24,239 So now now you have to request an account. So it's not just 1033 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:25,079 something that's good. 1034 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,080 Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Well, I haven't heard back from the 1035 01:09:28,620 --> 01:09:32,250 email Chris over at MC one Amsterdam, with the specs we 1036 01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:35,370 talked about, and just I was going to get back in touch with 1037 01:09:35,370 --> 01:09:39,210 him, but he hasn't emailed me back. So I don't know about that 1038 01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:43,410 one yet. But I mean, as far as like it at that level, and with 1039 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,960 I think he said, you know, they're expecting roughly 1000 1040 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,040 online streams. I mean, that's, that's really not too. That's 1041 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,840 really not too bad. I mean, that's doable. From that's what 1042 01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:57,000 that's I guess what I'm trying to say is that that's within 1043 01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:01,320 almost everybody's conference budget. Have something of that 1044 01:10:01,710 --> 01:10:02,340 scale? 1045 01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:05,130 Adam Curry: Yeah. And if you're doing a conference, you're 1046 01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:07,680 turning on high latency, you're doing as much bandwidth sharing 1047 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,630 as you want. Because you're interacting. Yeah. 1048 01:10:10,859 --> 01:10:14,549 Dave Jones: That's true. Yeah, that's true. Talk about that, 1049 01:10:14,549 --> 01:10:25,709 too, because you, you have the you have XMPP. Now, in the, in 1050 01:10:25,709 --> 01:10:28,139 the in the rooms, is that still only on my room as an 1051 01:10:28,139 --> 01:10:29,549 experiment? Or is that everywhere? 1052 01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:35,250 Unknown: That is on all of nogen YouTube live streams. But it's 1053 01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:38,760 done through the through live chat plugin. Through a lovely 1054 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,660 French developer. I think his name is John. And he's adding 1055 01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,370 support for the RSS feeds in his next version as well. So with 1056 01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:51,240 any, anyone who who live streams will have that automatically 1057 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,230 under generative and 1058 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,110 Dave Jones: we need to finalize that then. 1059 01:10:55,769 --> 01:10:57,329 Unknown: Yeah, yeah. 1060 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,130 Adam Curry: What apps what? That of course, the using the web 1061 01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:06,720 page works perfectly fine. What? What apps currently work well, 1062 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,330 with with the peer tube stuff for video. 1063 01:11:10,590 --> 01:11:15,030 Unknown: The only one that I know that works is pauvres 1064 01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:17,220 Dave Jones: against guru works to Alex. 1065 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,320 Unknown: Okay. Yeah. catches it needs. It needs support HTTP 1066 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,640 Live Streaming? which not many do because they don't do video. 1067 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:31,170 So and then I don't even think Padre supports the podcast chat 1068 01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:35,400 tag yet. Okay, so you basically have to go to the website if you 1069 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,090 want to interact. 1070 01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:39,180 Dave Jones: I spoke to Jason every podcast guru the other 1071 01:11:39,180 --> 01:11:46,050 day. And he, he's, he's totally on board with, with, with XMPP. 1072 01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:50,880 And like to put that in, and they they also support video 1073 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:55,860 which they, they they don't get. They fly under the radar a lot 1074 01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:58,890 because they they just came on board with the value for value, 1075 01:11:58,890 --> 01:12:03,240 but they have they have video support. And they're, you know, 1076 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:08,460 that's a good that's a good podcast out. So you know, that's 1077 01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:10,860 I want to make sure they get the credit they deserve because 1078 01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:12,960 they're they're really doing a lot of stuff over there. 1079 01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:16,140 Unknown: Let's check it out. 1080 01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:20,670 Dave Jones: Yeah, so we'll have to, we'll have to formalize. I'm 1081 01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:23,040 just making a note, we need to go and formalize the chat tag, 1082 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,260 because it's not a complicated tag. I mean, it's basically just 1083 01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:28,620 social interact with a couple of different attributes. Yeah, I 1084 01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:30,630 Adam Curry: realize I've been telling so many people on no 1085 01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:32,910 agenda, like, oh, you get everything in these apps. Go 1086 01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:39,540 ahead. And but there's no chat. The only one has chat is curio 1087 01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:44,010 Kassar, I guess, to pod versus chat as well. 1088 01:12:44,099 --> 01:12:46,229 Unknown: I think it does the old version, not the new version. 1089 01:12:46,260 --> 01:12:47,340 Adam Curry: What's the old version? 1090 01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:51,840 The that was the attribute on the live version tag. Okay, so 1091 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,680 what I'm using I think you're using both now. He's just so 1092 01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:58,080 I'm, I'm by? 1093 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,540 Yeah, well, go ahead. 1094 01:13:07,020 --> 01:13:09,210 Dave Jones: Yeah, I was just gonna say Nathan G asked in the 1095 01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:10,980 chat. He said didn't someone mentioned switching to 1096 01:13:10,980 --> 01:13:15,900 broadcasting that alongside the ice cast brokers? So what? Let 1097 01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:18,330 me just talk about that for a second. Because we spoke with 1098 01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:24,120 Jason, about that the other day when that puck has guru, and I 1099 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,650 was telling him, we're talking about life support for socket, 1100 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,960 you know, the socket, the whole socket thing? Yeah. And I was 1101 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,710 like, Well, you know, we've discussed putting embedding that 1102 01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:38,340 stuff into the ice cast dream, or whatever the, you know, HLS, 1103 01:13:38,340 --> 01:13:42,300 or whatever, trying, trying to do this stuff in stream instead 1104 01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:47,190 of out of band. And he, his response to me was that, at 1105 01:13:47,190 --> 01:13:51,030 least on the Android side, and I'm assuming this is probably 1106 01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:55,650 true on the iOS side as well, that that that extracting data, 1107 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,550 arbitrary data out of that out of a stream, a media stream, is 1108 01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:03,240 very difficult. He said he's done it once in the past. And 1109 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,900 what he had to do was create basically a local host on 1110 01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:12,540 device, a local host, proxy, oh, then and so that he gets first 1111 01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:18,360 hit so that he gets first dibs, to parse the stream. Extract the 1112 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:23,580 data. Yeah, and then pass it and then re re host hit, essentially 1113 01:14:23,580 --> 01:14:27,300 to the local to the app, and he said it's just a complete mess. 1114 01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:27,810 Do I keep 1115 01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:30,150 Adam Curry: forgetting pod fans and all the stuff we're talking 1116 01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:32,580 about? I think I have the thing that pod fans has everything 1117 01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:33,030 working 1118 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,460 Dave Jones: properly probably says so. So Sam submitted a PR 1119 01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:40,830 this morning and it's literally every tag. 1120 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,300 Adam Curry: tech guy so amazing. He defends value for value like 1121 01:14:45,330 --> 01:14:50,100 like, like a warrior. I'm doing it I really love Sam for that. 1122 01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:53,790 Dave Jones: Me too. The only thing we have. The only thing we 1123 01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:58,290 need for pod fans. I think they're really dependent on this 1124 01:14:58,290 --> 01:15:00,570 and we probably need to talk about is the authorization tag. 1125 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,360 Yeah. For onboarding there. Yeah. In in trying to get that 1126 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,180 done. I was in the chat in the discussion thread this morning 1127 01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:10,350 on it trying to get that. 1128 01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:14,610 Adam Curry: Mother, she's at the GitHub GitHub threat thread that 1129 01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:19,620 I stay away from. Yes, it is. Yes. Yes. Dangerous for my 1130 01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:24,210 health. I missed the email addresses, it was so easy. Just 1131 01:15:24,210 --> 01:15:27,420 want to say that's all I'll shut up about it. I missed it. I 1132 01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:30,150 didn't need enhanced private privacy. I was fine. 1133 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:37,890 Dave Jones: The. So yeah, I've got to basically write something 1134 01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:42,990 up. That's more formal for this. Here's the way this here's the 1135 01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:46,680 way this this works. Just to run through it again, because 1136 01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:50,310 there's seems to be this. There seems to be this 1137 01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:52,980 misunderstanding. Got, I don't want to call it a 1138 01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:54,960 misunderstanding. maybe I'm misunderstanding. So I'm just 1139 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,020 going to throw this out there. There seems to be this, this 1140 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,610 thing that comes back that these this flow can be intercepted. 1141 01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:06,300 And so just just for the record, here's here's what we have. So 1142 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:11,790 far. There is an authorization tag, that would happen in the 1143 01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:16,020 feed. So I'm going to, I'm going to in in this in this scenario 1144 01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:19,860 that I am about to lay out, we're going to say that the 1145 01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:30,660 hosting company is RSS blue, in the app is pod fans. So RSS 1146 01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:37,020 blue, publishes a feed. And the owner, the podcaster, who owns 1147 01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:46,050 that feed is going to claim that feed on pod fans. Pod. So 1148 01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:50,760 there's an authorization tag that RSS Blue has put into that 1149 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:57,360 feed with a URL pointing back to the location on the web that 1150 01:16:57,510 --> 01:17:02,310 they are going to do the authentic the the verification 1151 01:17:02,340 --> 01:17:06,600 of the verification app. So this thing may be verification dot 1152 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:16,680 RSS blue.com. The pod fans sees that URL. Kick when when the 1153 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,470 podcaster says I'm going to I'm going to verify this Dammit, I'm 1154 01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:25,200 the owner of this feed, pod fans, kicks, pod fans server 1155 01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:34,170 creates a nonce, a one time code attaches to that URL as a query 1156 01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:41,640 parameter and redirects the the podcaster to that page at our 1157 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,620 says blue bar says blue receives the parses out that query 1158 01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:49,500 parameter and and also the feed you're on needs to be attached 1159 01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:51,600 to that as well. So another there would be another parameter 1160 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,370 on there with the with the feed URL, or Gu ID or whatever. So 1161 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,990 now RSS blue knows. Okay, I've got a token. And I've got a 1162 01:18:00,990 --> 01:18:05,460 random token. And I've got the feed URL. A verify the feed URL 1163 01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:10,830 is one of our feeds. Yes, that is it is. And now I'm going to 1164 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,790 force the user to log in with a username password. They 1165 01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:18,210 authenticate with their username and password proving to RSS 1166 01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:24,240 blue. They are the one who is the owner of the feed, parses 1167 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,690 blue sees that in pops up, sees that there was a successful 1168 01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:32,280 login pops up a thing that says a pod fans is trying to wants to 1169 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,360 authenticate you as the owner of this feed. Do you want to do 1170 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:41,640 this? Yes or no? Yes. Barr says blue now takes the token that 1171 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:47,040 pod fans sent to it in the query parameter. Places that into the 1172 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:53,820 feed into tech into the podcast TXT record invalidates the cache 1173 01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:59,820 and republishes the feed with the with the token in it and 1174 01:18:59,970 --> 01:19:06,600 kicks them back to pod fans. And then podcast pod fans begins to 1175 01:19:07,050 --> 01:19:11,340 pod fans sees that they've come back with a success message. 1176 01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:16,710 Paul M stars polling the feed and once they see their token 1177 01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:21,180 pop up in the feed. They say okay, verification is 1178 01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:27,060 successful. This is the same essential process that happens 1179 01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:33,330 with DNS verification for domain ownership. We do this all the 1180 01:19:33,330 --> 01:19:38,280 time. When you when you go and create in and claim ownership of 1181 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,520 a domain. Let's just gonna say you're migrating your business 1182 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,760 to office 365. You're gonna go through this exact same process. 1183 01:19:45,660 --> 01:19:50,820 Sometimes it's manual. Other times they have an integration 1184 01:19:50,820 --> 01:19:55,410 with with a with DNS registrar's, and you can you can 1185 01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:57,990 automate this but this is essentially the same function. 1186 01:19:58,470 --> 01:20:07,080 So I'm not I'm sure I can. I can't see any danger here. M M. 1187 01:20:07,290 --> 01:20:10,080 M, I guess my question is, am I missing something? Because the 1188 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:14,580 the this can get hacked things seems to be coming back. And I'm 1189 01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:17,130 like, where? Where's the hack happening? 1190 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:19,530 Adam Curry: Oh, so unique is no one said. 1191 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,060 Dave Jones: Well, Mike Hayden at Red Circle said it could be and 1192 01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:28,740 I thought James was saying that too but I miss maybe I'm 1193 01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:33,780 misunderstanding. I don't know Now could it be fished? For 1194 01:20:33,780 --> 01:20:37,920 sure, but everything can be fished. Yeah, I mean like, you 1195 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,670 know, unless you have two factor authentication like you can if 1196 01:20:41,670 --> 01:20:44,970 you have a man in the middle scenario, you can get fished all 1197 01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:47,700 day long, but I'm not. But we're we've got to set that aside 1198 01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:51,330 because that's not we're not we're not solving that here. 1199 01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:56,730 This is a I'm talking about like, Could I don't understand 1200 01:20:56,730 --> 01:20:59,460 if there's something I'm missing in please somebody tell me if 1201 01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:00,030 there is. 1202 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,800 Adam Curry: All I'm hearing is some people saying Why don't you 1203 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,670 just do Oh auth which I have no idea, which is easier 1204 01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:12,270 Dave Jones: to see Oh, office, if people want to do Oh auth 1205 01:21:12,270 --> 01:21:15,000 that's fine. But we don't need to write a spec for that. But if 1206 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:21,360 people want to do Oh off, if, if let's just say if rss.com wants 1207 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,250 to do Oh off the go. I mean, like they can just go do that. 1208 01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:28,770 And then they can just say here's how we're going to pick 1209 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,260 they can publish that themselves and say, here's how we're going 1210 01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:34,470 to do it. If you want to verify here, you can do it. And maybe 1211 01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,590 other hosts adopt that same format? I don't know. But that 1212 01:21:37,740 --> 01:21:40,920 oh auth is an established mechanism already. Right? My 1213 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,930 problem with OAuth is really just that it leaves it leaves a 1214 01:21:45,930 --> 01:21:49,980 small hosting out of the picture, because you have to be 1215 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:53,670 able to host Reuter to support a no authentication mechanism, you 1216 01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:56,700 have to be able to support an OAuth flow. And you can't do 1217 01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,780 that if you're using sovereign feeds or WordPress, you know, 1218 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,120 that's not available to you, right, I 1219 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,310 Adam Curry: can just, I can just put it into the appropriate 1220 01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:07,980 field. And I can put the token into the appropriate field in my 1221 01:22:07,980 --> 01:22:09,600 feet, and it would work to Right. 1222 01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:12,150 Dave Jones: Right. And with the authorization flow that I 1223 01:22:12,150 --> 01:22:16,560 described earlier, what what can happen is you can say, all 1224 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,680 right, there's an all three pot fans could make this decision. 1225 01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:23,640 Pot fans could do this, it could say, I see an authorization tag 1226 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:28,170 in your feed. Therefore, I'm going to kick you over to auth 1227 01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:34,350 to verify at the at the hosting company. Or I don't see an 1228 01:22:34,350 --> 01:22:37,680 authorization tag in the feed. Therefore, I'm just going to 1229 01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,960 give you the token and you can go put it in yourself. Like it 1230 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,500 doesn't change their flow very much they can support both very 1231 01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:52,020 easily. See, Nathan said I think they were concerned that pod 1232 01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:54,990 fans would permit the podcaster to claim the feed just by 1233 01:22:54,990 --> 01:22:58,410 visiting the URL redirecting back to pod fans without waiting 1234 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,460 for the token to appear in the TX T tech. Yeah, but that that's 1235 01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:06,690 they would. That's bad. They don't need to do that. Right. 1236 01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:10,560 Yeah, they know they just getting this a success message 1237 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,520 doesn't that's only half the flow. You can't skip. Right. The 1238 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,360 authorization part. Yeah. 1239 01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,170 Adam Curry: All right, let's Let's just touch on a few others 1240 01:23:22,170 --> 01:23:25,650 that might know that everybody's asleep. And we just touched on a 1241 01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:33,600 few other things. Loving transcribe.fm Which who set that 1242 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:34,110 up again? 1243 01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:36,420 Dave Jones: Nathan? Nathan Yeah, gathright. 1244 01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:42,330 Adam Curry: hurting a little bit because of the speaker support 1245 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:49,020 issues. Because man, I don't want to screw up Martin's pod 1246 01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:53,910 friend the way he's implemented, you know, the person tag in the, 1247 01:23:54,210 --> 01:23:58,350 in the transcripts. And so we know almost no matter what I run 1248 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:06,930 it, it confuses me with multiple speakers. It doesn't it's 1249 01:24:07,050 --> 01:24:10,710 apparently it's a lot more challenging to identify speakers 1250 01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:16,170 consistently than I thought. Cuz I really love the speed of the 1251 01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:20,160 service is outrageous. I mean, I'm waiting sometimes for an 1252 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,290 hour for a no agenda transcript to finish. And, and then, you 1253 01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:30,000 know, with the, with transcribe.fm It's like, it just 1254 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,490 is done so fast. But, you know, it's I've been trying to find a 1255 01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:38,340 predictability in it, but it's just not there yet. Is that I 1256 01:24:38,340 --> 01:24:42,150 didn't know. Is that an AI issue we need to look at. 1257 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,620 Dave Jones: I don't I mean, I would is, is the speaker 1258 01:24:46,620 --> 01:24:50,820 recognition. Is that just slow it down? Is that what they don't 1259 01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:51,240 do? I don't 1260 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,090 Adam Curry: know. I don't know. It's I mean, I'll tell you what 1261 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:58,740 otter.ai they transcribe and then you have to wait after the 1262 01:24:58,740 --> 01:25:01,230 transcriptions on you have to wait Wait for it to do the it 1263 01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:02,670 does the speaker stuff later. 1264 01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:06,900 Dave Jones: Okay, so that must be Yeah, it must be. It must 1265 01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:10,560 Adam Curry: be hard. I mean, it slows down. But I mean, it's not 1266 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,560 accurate. That's the problem. It's not accurate. 1267 01:25:15,839 --> 01:25:19,019 Dave Jones: Alex, what do you think about like? I don't? Do 1268 01:25:19,019 --> 01:25:22,409 you think there's, it's possible to do transcription like a 1269 01:25:22,409 --> 01:25:23,939 transcription plugin and peer to? 1270 01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:28,470 Adam Curry: I think there already is one. I just don't 1271 01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:28,650 know how 1272 01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:33,750 Dave Jones: there is one slight. I tested it, it did not work 1273 01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:37,830 well on podcasts longer than like, 1020 minutes. And the 1274 01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:41,370 results were really inaccurate. But they're working on it. And 1275 01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,530 it should be coming along better hopefully. 1276 01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:48,960 What Don? Do you know, like, was that running on server? Or was 1277 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,430 that calling out somewhere else? 1278 01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:55,290 That was running on server, it downloaded everything it needed 1279 01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:57,870 and ran it directly on the server? That was part of why it 1280 01:25:57,870 --> 01:25:58,770 was having trouble. 1281 01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:04,440 Yeah, I guess you're on CPUs at that point. Yeah, that sounds 1282 01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:08,310 like Yeah, sounds messy. It because that would be really 1283 01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:11,520 mean not to do real time. But I mean, just to be able to have 1284 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,980 that in the feed after the fact that would be pretty, that'd be 1285 01:26:13,980 --> 01:26:19,170 pretty killer. Or, you know, like, I could envision a plugin 1286 01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:23,250 where you have the ability to call out to different services, 1287 01:26:23,250 --> 01:26:25,560 like you could call out to transcribe that FM or you could 1288 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,440 call that the otter, whatever service you wanted to use, you 1289 01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:28,710 know, 1290 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,040 Adam Curry: hey, that's where the podcasts or plugin comes in. 1291 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,350 I've just from, from what I understand sovereign feeds will 1292 01:26:34,350 --> 01:26:39,630 have a way to just be you know, it'll just work. It'll, it'll 1293 01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:43,740 talk to transcribe.fm and pop it back. And then it just kind of 1294 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:44,190 there. 1295 01:26:46,770 --> 01:26:48,720 Dave Jones: Yes, pretty. That's, that's a rad idea. 1296 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:53,160 Adam Curry: I just, I just, I really don't want to do away 1297 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,330 with the, with the speaker tags. Because that's so cool. And pod 1298 01:26:57,330 --> 01:27:00,450 friend, I think other people will do that. Looks so good. The 1299 01:27:00,450 --> 01:27:04,980 little, little chat, chat bubbles with our heads. Yeah, 1300 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,800 it's really it's a fun experience. Just look at like, 1301 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,810 wow, I can hear these guys speak. And I can see their 1302 01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:12,450 heads. It's I don't know, it's something hypnotizing about it. 1303 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:19,350 Dave Jones: In the the person tag admission, talk to Oscar 1304 01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:24,120 about that the other day. That's, that needs to be in 1305 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:29,220 there as well. Like, yeah, that needs to be a higher, a more 1306 01:27:29,220 --> 01:27:34,170 broadly supported tag on the on the app side, because still, I 1307 01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:38,370 don't see very many apps. Showing that information. And, 1308 01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:43,140 you know, Mark Martin uses it to great effect with with the 1309 01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:45,600 transcription and putting it right there prominently on the 1310 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,620 podcast page. I mean, that's a, that's a pretty killer little, 1311 01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:54,870 you know, tag to just ignore, I wish more people would suck that 1312 01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:55,290 in. 1313 01:27:56,099 --> 01:28:03,809 Adam Curry: That's what she said. Hey, I have two more 1314 01:28:03,809 --> 01:28:08,519 things on my list here. The one is just because you know, I do 1315 01:28:08,519 --> 01:28:12,149 the triage on info dot podcast index.org. I have been enjoying 1316 01:28:12,149 --> 01:28:14,489 the API Dashboard. Thank you very much. 1317 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,770 Dave Jones: I've had a fixed a couple of things in there, too. 1318 01:28:17,609 --> 01:28:20,189 Adam Curry: Yeah, I tried to reset someone's feed and it 1319 01:28:20,189 --> 01:28:24,179 didn't really do anything. Or maybe there's no real way for me 1320 01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:28,439 to know if a reset is done properly. And I don't know, 1321 01:28:28,649 --> 01:28:31,259 people do show up and they just they just throw stuff out there 1322 01:28:31,259 --> 01:28:35,279 like this, this that. Right, wrong. You know, it's like, oh, 1323 01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:40,199 man, I really do think I'm a mind reader. So I'm not always 1324 01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:42,869 sure that I'm doing the right thing for people but I have I 1325 01:28:42,869 --> 01:28:47,099 have, you know, nuke defeat or two. And I be I think James had 1326 01:28:47,099 --> 01:28:50,669 a, something that I just blindly trusted him like, Okay, I'm 1327 01:28:50,669 --> 01:28:52,289 nuking that feat. Because you said so. 1328 01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:55,259 Dave Jones: Yes, I saw that. Yeah, keeping 1329 01:28:55,260 --> 01:29:00,330 Adam Curry: this one. But I love it. I love I love it. Other than 1330 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,780 just some feedback stuff. I'm not quite sure if if 1331 01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:07,080 everything's working properly, but I'm happy, happy to have it. 1332 01:29:08,730 --> 01:29:11,730 Some dude named Josh showed up and he I just want to read his 1333 01:29:11,730 --> 01:29:15,240 note. He says, Thanks for this awesome project. I'm attempting 1334 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,540 to create a neural network based ad blocker for podcasts, your 1335 01:29:18,540 --> 01:29:22,830 database is invaluable sources, annotate training data, like why 1336 01:29:22,860 --> 01:29:27,300 that's interesting. I don't know if I'm a fan of that. But I 1337 01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:30,690 guess you could use it for that. Well, you know, why would you 1338 01:29:30,690 --> 01:29:37,020 want to block podcast ads? Just as a as a as a philosophical 1339 01:29:37,020 --> 01:29:37,440 thing. 1340 01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:40,440 Dave Jones: You can you can just hit the skip button. Yeah. 1341 01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:43,200 Adam Curry: That's what everybody does. We all know it. 1342 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,190 Everybody does it. 1343 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,430 Dave Jones: You just skate read through those jokes. Yeah. 1344 01:29:48,510 --> 01:29:51,240 Adam Curry: And I want to mention that I heard something 1345 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,600 very well, not concerning, I think is the dumbest business 1346 01:29:54,600 --> 01:30:00,750 decision I've ever heard. Spotify. See Since they know 1347 01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:05,430 they're scrambling for revenue, clearly, Spotify Premium min, 1348 01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:10,620 but members can no longer pay via Apple's App Store. Because 1349 01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:14,670 they, you know, they, they don't want to give up the 30% cut the 1350 01:30:14,700 --> 01:30:22,170 the App Store tax. So people's premium subscriptions will just 1351 01:30:22,170 --> 01:30:27,060 expire. And they're hoping everybody will sign up again 1352 01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:30,030 through their own system@spotify.com with a credit 1353 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:33,360 card or PayPal, I'm thinking you're going to be very sorry, 1354 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,810 you're doing this. I don't think I don't think a lot of people 1355 01:30:36,810 --> 01:30:39,960 are going to do that it'll be such an opportunity to not re 1356 01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,140 up. Is that just me? 1357 01:30:44,490 --> 01:30:49,080 Dave Jones: Man? I don't there has to be this stuff like this 1358 01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,860 has to happen. There has to be market movement away from apple, 1359 01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:59,910 the apple walled garden of 30%. That that tax day. There has to 1360 01:30:59,910 --> 01:31:03,750 be because my understanding was they were charging. So it's like 1361 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:06,420 non is like nine bucks a month if you if you went and 1362 01:31:06,420 --> 01:31:08,970 subscribed directly on their site, but it was like 12 bucks a 1363 01:31:08,970 --> 01:31:12,450 month. If you subscribed with Apple Pay because of the tax. 1364 01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:16,020 Adam Curry: Same same thing that Twitter did, I guess? Yeah. 1365 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,310 Which is another mess. Because people are the things are 1366 01:31:20,310 --> 01:31:23,640 changing very quickly around us all these models of payments. 1367 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:24,540 They're all breaking. 1368 01:31:24,930 --> 01:31:27,750 Dave Jones: They are breaking. I don't know if you saw this. This 1369 01:31:27,750 --> 01:31:31,500 was very interesting to me. Perhaps the most interesting 1370 01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:34,530 thing that flew under the radar, the heard of a company called 1371 01:31:34,530 --> 01:31:40,260 Media math. No, I have not. medium medium medium math file 1372 01:31:40,260 --> 01:31:44,910 for bankruptcy. The demand side platform medium math file for 1373 01:31:44,910 --> 01:31:48,600 Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in Delaware. On Friday, the 1374 01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,620 company owes between 100 million and 500 million to between 1375 01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:57,600 209 199 companies including Google Macknight, open X 1376 01:31:58,110 --> 01:32:03,120 PubMatic, Zander, and ads Wiz and I know ads Wiz is a big 1377 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,290 company like digital marketing company that's that does podcast 1378 01:32:07,290 --> 01:32:07,800 stuff. 1379 01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:10,710 Adam Curry: What does MediaMath do? 1380 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,070 Dave Jones: It says they're a demand side platform. I think 1381 01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:18,600 that means they're one of the bit they add digital ad bitter, 1382 01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:25,620 like DSP platforms, where, where the bidding takes place. For 1383 01:32:25,620 --> 01:32:29,880 digital, like a service, like where there's like this dynamic 1384 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:35,160 auction system at ad surf time. If I'm not mistaken, this is 1385 01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:41,370 their valuation. Let's see. They had raised like $600 million or 1386 01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:44,670 something. And then now they just went out of business and 1387 01:32:44,670 --> 01:32:47,700 they still owe like hundreds of millions of dollars to companies 1388 01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:48,540 they just vanished. 1389 01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:51,840 Adam Curry: So they owe it to all the ad companies who were 1390 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,760 serving ads that they basically were Booking and Scheduling for 1391 01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:57,750 the advertisers. 1392 01:32:58,350 --> 01:33:00,150 Dave Jones: That's right, it says the bankruptcy will have a 1393 01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:03,360 wide ranging effect on the advertising technology industry 1394 01:33:03,570 --> 01:33:06,360 with many well known companies being owed more than a million 1395 01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:10,380 dollars. The top five include Macknight at 12 Point 6 million 1396 01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:14,280 PubMatic at 10 million snowbee at five never 1397 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,290 Adam Curry: even heard of these companies. Are these the 1398 01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:19,320 companies that just snooping on me and throwing ads up 1399 01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:19,950 everywhere. 1400 01:33:20,250 --> 01:33:25,830 Dave Jones: Yeah, and ads with 3.4 million Yeah. Wow. This 1401 01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:33,360 feels like the whole ad serving DSP digital. Yuck. Is like about 1402 01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,080 to blow up. 1403 01:33:35,580 --> 01:33:36,600 Adam Curry: Sorry, I'm laughing 1404 01:33:37,410 --> 01:33:40,800 Dave Jones: No, I mean, it's hilarious. Wow, I mean, 1405 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,840 Adam Curry: this whole thing is falling apart, man. 1406 01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,510 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, Nathan. Nathan says a programmatic ad 1407 01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:49,530 bidding platform Sirius XM owns ads with AD Wiz and MediaMath 1408 01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:52,950 owes them three and a half million dollars. Oh, yay. This 1409 01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:55,290 thing is about to blow up. 1410 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,210 Adam Curry: That's not good. What's this clip you got here? 1411 01:33:57,210 --> 01:33:59,400 Do you thought this was the 1412 01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:03,539 Dave Jones: new this is the new FTC influencers guidelines. This 1413 01:34:03,539 --> 01:34:07,739 is like they released this a few days ago. They're cracking down 1414 01:34:07,769 --> 01:34:13,979 on social media influencers. That on how they have to 1415 01:34:13,979 --> 01:34:19,979 disclose their sponsorships. And in advertising. 1416 01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:21,360 Adam Curry: I thought you already had to do that. I 1417 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,820 thought I thought that was like a prerequisite that you had to 1418 01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:25,050 let people know. 1419 01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:28,890 Dave Jones: They did. But the guidelines were vague. So now 1420 01:34:28,890 --> 01:34:33,060 they've like beef them up and give him some juice. You wanna 1421 01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,670 you want to listen to this nice young lady explained it to him 1422 01:34:35,700 --> 01:34:36,180 of course. 1423 01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,590 Unknown: Hi, I'm Amber Lee. Attorney. Mission. 1424 01:34:41,399 --> 01:34:44,219 Adam Curry: Okay, this is my attorney. Shoot, I'd fire her 1425 01:34:44,219 --> 01:34:47,579 for that voice. You can't represent me You don't sound 1426 01:34:47,579 --> 01:34:48,299 like a bulldog. 1427 01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:52,050 Unknown: Hi, I'm Amber Lee, an attorney at the Federal Trade 1428 01:34:52,050 --> 01:34:55,350 Commission. Do you recommend or endorse things on social media? 1429 01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,640 If you do, here are some tips to help influencers like you 1430 01:34:59,670 --> 01:35:03,150 comply. With the law, whenever you endorse a product, you have 1431 01:35:03,150 --> 01:35:06,600 to tell people if you have a relationship with the brand. So 1432 01:35:06,630 --> 01:35:10,560 if a brand pays you, or gives you free stuff or discounts Wow, 1433 01:35:10,590 --> 01:35:12,780 tell people about that relationship. When you promote 1434 01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:16,140 anything from that brand. Make sure people will see and 1435 01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:19,290 understand that disclosure. Tell people about your brand 1436 01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:22,200 relationship along with your endorsement, not in your 1437 01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,590 profile, not in a bunch of hashtags. But it early in the 1438 01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:29,340 message or superimposed prominently on the picture. In a 1439 01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:32,040 live stream, it should be repeated often enough that 1440 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:36,120 people will catch it, make it plain and simple. You can say 1441 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,990 your post is an ad advertisement, or sponsored with 1442 01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:43,590 or without a hashtag. You can say thank you to the brand for 1443 01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:47,100 the free product. If the product is all you got. Or you could 1444 01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:50,580 label yourself a partner or ambassador. Again, make sure to 1445 01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:53,640 put your disclosure where people can't miss it. Want to know more 1446 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,040 about how you can be an influencer and stay on the right 1447 01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,150 side of the law? Go to ftc.gov/influencers. 1448 01:36:00,209 --> 01:36:03,539 Adam Curry: Wow. So if you're an advisor to accompany you need to 1449 01:36:03,539 --> 01:36:04,859 disclose that too, I guess. 1450 01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:08,490 Dave Jones: Yeah, there's a bunch of they have this like 1451 01:36:10,290 --> 01:36:15,090 what we call like a fac that tells you, here's what you need 1452 01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:18,810 to do under certain circumstances. Like, it's like, 1453 01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:23,310 Can I do this? No, can I do this, here's what you got to do. 1454 01:36:23,850 --> 01:36:30,840 So this was they'll see this guy ran it down, he says adding 1455 01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:35,250 adding hashtag or hashtag add or hashtag sponsor or similar 1456 01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:38,460 disclosure in the caption of a tick tock is not enough, it 1457 01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:42,900 needs to be overlaid in the video itself. D influencing 1458 01:36:42,900 --> 01:36:47,070 campaigns require disclosure. So you can't you can't talk down a 1459 01:36:47,070 --> 01:36:53,760 competitor. Oh, wow. Without disclosure, a post does not have 1460 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,000 to mention anything positive about the brand to be considered 1461 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:02,160 an endorsement. So this is like it says, simply posting a 1462 01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,800 picture of a product on social media such as Pinterest or a 1463 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,670 video of you using it could convey even without words that 1464 01:37:08,670 --> 01:37:12,540 you like or approve the product and has to be disclosed. Foreign 1465 01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:17,340 creators may must also comply with the rules. If you review 1466 01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:19,770 many different products on your blog or social page, you need to 1467 01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:22,500 specifically disclose which content is sponsored in which 1468 01:37:22,500 --> 01:37:27,420 content is not. You cannot hide disclosures behind links, even 1469 01:37:27,420 --> 01:37:33,120 if the link says disclosure. Thank you, or thank you brand is 1470 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,480 not enough, you must make it more prominent. Like there's 1471 01:37:36,510 --> 01:37:40,020 just a whole bunch of they like they're they're really they're 1472 01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:45,150 really cracking down and making you and forcing you to make it 1473 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,960 like up front and center that you're doing that you're that 1474 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,890 this is sponsored content. But the part that I love is that 1475 01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,520 this all leaves a gaping humongous loophole for 1476 01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:04,260 traditional media. Because all you have all you have to do in 1477 01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:08,220 order to get around that is you can you Right, right, before you 1478 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:11,850 do a big ad buy. You just have a little bit of fun, nice jump on 1479 01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:15,600 the phone with somebody say, hey, yeah, we're gonna do that 1480 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:21,120 ad buy. But we're, you know, we also, once you push to talk us 1481 01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,540 up a little bit, you know, on the before it like, see, you 1482 01:38:24,540 --> 01:38:27,630 could have, you could have essentially a native ad that was 1483 01:38:27,630 --> 01:38:32,160 never a continent was never contracted in imprint, or signed 1484 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,510 on the dotted line. 1485 01:38:33,540 --> 01:38:35,640 Adam Curry: If I'm looking, I'm looking at what they're saying 1486 01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:40,110 that I'm not, I'm looking at their their rules. 1487 01:38:40,110 --> 01:38:45,270 ftc.gov/influenza. And, you know, even if it's a family 1488 01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:49,140 relationship, you've got to disclose it. I mean, so even if 1489 01:38:49,140 --> 01:38:51,570 you just have a phone call, you kind of got to disclose that. 1490 01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:55,590 Really? Yeah. And do you know how big this market is? I was 1491 01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:58,560 reading habit here from McKinsey, I guess McKinsey would 1492 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:03,900 know something. Ads for apparel, to clothing are part of an ever 1493 01:39:03,900 --> 01:39:06,420 growing body of sponsored content that people consume 1494 01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:10,470 daily alongside regular video and social media posts. And they 1495 01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:13,920 are part of an influencer marketing economy that hits 16 1496 01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,930 point 4 billion this year. 1497 01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:19,650 Dave Jones: Whoa, that's so much bigger than I thought it was me 1498 01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:23,880 to me the entire music industry is what 5 billion? 1499 01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:31,320 Adam Curry: Well, we're chipping away at it. It's 4,900,000,000. 1500 01:39:33,899 --> 01:39:35,849 Dave Jones: I mean, that, wow. That's 1501 01:39:36,090 --> 01:39:37,110 Adam Curry: as big man. 1502 01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:38,489 Dave Jones: It's kind of shocking and 1503 01:39:38,490 --> 01:39:40,500 Adam Curry: that have to come after podcast pretty soon, too. 1504 01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:42,600 I mean, they're only talking about social media. But this 1505 01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,660 it's got to be the same. You have to have the same. The same 1506 01:39:45,660 --> 01:39:47,340 rules for podcasting, I would presume. 1507 01:39:47,729 --> 01:39:51,959 Dave Jones: Yeah. The word podcasting did not appear in any 1508 01:39:51,959 --> 01:39:52,919 of the new guidelines. 1509 01:39:52,979 --> 01:39:55,649 Adam Curry: No, of course not idiots. There's your loophole. 1510 01:39:55,739 --> 01:39:57,029 I'm doing a podcast. 1511 01:39:57,420 --> 01:40:02,370 Dave Jones: Well, there's your there's your A incentive for 1512 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,820 other services to call themselves podcasts. or YouTube. 1513 01:40:05,820 --> 01:40:09,150 There you go. yourself a podcast. You're not a social 1514 01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:11,190 media influencer. You're a podcaster. 1515 01:40:11,609 --> 01:40:15,989 Adam Curry: Man. Yeah. So, so I need to ask, you know, what is 1516 01:40:15,989 --> 01:40:19,259 this? This peer tube? Is that a podcast? Because Todd Cochran 1517 01:40:19,259 --> 01:40:19,949 wants to know. 1518 01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:25,050 Unknown: I mean, technically, it's not an audio file in the 1519 01:40:25,050 --> 01:40:28,080 enclosure. Yeah. It's just a text file. 1520 01:40:29,820 --> 01:40:34,560 Adam Curry: A text file. Oh, man, I love those guys arguing. 1521 01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:35,310 It's so 1522 01:40:35,310 --> 01:40:37,110 Alecks Gates: that's what, that's why the medium title is 1523 01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:41,010 valid. Like, I see people who have things that they call 1524 01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:45,630 podcasts on YouTube and Oh, good. They're not always maybe 1525 01:40:45,630 --> 01:40:50,850 they have not really RSS feeds. But the medium is the podcast. 1526 01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:53,820 And then that's kind of where the whole idea started. Which is 1527 01:40:54,270 --> 01:40:55,620 why we're here today. I 1528 01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,410 Adam Curry: love that go medium tag. 1529 01:41:00,450 --> 01:41:03,300 Dave Jones: Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's critically important 1530 01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:04,560 to go where we need to go. 1531 01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:06,810 Adam Curry: I'm with you, brother. Let's do this. Let's 1532 01:41:06,810 --> 01:41:08,700 thanks some people because we got been getting a lot of boost 1533 01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:12,660 coming in during this during this lit lit version of the 1534 01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:19,050 show. And I want to thank people appropriately. We have a white 1535 01:41:19,050 --> 01:41:24,390 mic is what he's called. A white mic booster to booster grams or 1536 01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:28,260 3333. I guess he's coming up with names for the for the show 1537 01:41:28,260 --> 01:41:32,730 true audio party, tap tap into the party to audio party with 1538 01:41:32,730 --> 01:41:37,110 redundant word party. But what but what did from pin number 1539 01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:45,030 apps all involving tapping in apps? Good work on it. Actually, 1540 01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:48,630 I wanted something like the boost bin or the boost box. 1541 01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:52,020 That's I was thinking along those lines. Of course none of 1542 01:41:52,020 --> 01:41:54,000 those domain names are available, so it kind of 1543 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:59,670 precludes it. We've got our Davis 87 with 10,000 101 He says 1544 01:41:59,670 --> 01:42:03,120 music side project top 40 Friday night at Easter no agenda 1545 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:09,510 stream.com Go podcast is that the new name? Yes, yeah, it's a 1546 01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:16,410 great one. Dave Jones 10,000 SATs went to the heads up per 1547 01:42:16,410 --> 01:42:21,090 track he actually said killer tracks so hopefully the ride and 1548 01:42:21,090 --> 01:42:26,010 progress band will receive that we've got Tom tomsky 777 Mini 1549 01:42:26,010 --> 01:42:30,060 striper boost split and music test. Go make music there Steven 1550 01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:34,320 B with 3333 doing that from the split kid heads up it's a live 1551 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,920 music boost in the split kit. Nice promotion, cotton gin 1552 01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:45,540 posting 3333 Four right in progress. Let's see hardhat 3333 1553 01:42:45,540 --> 01:42:50,910 No note another 3333 from cotton gin 5000 from Steven be posting 1554 01:42:51,210 --> 01:42:54,300 for the song during the split kit for heads up Eric p p 1555 01:42:54,570 --> 01:43:01,530 33,333. Very nice. Yo OS we're using both music side project 1556 01:43:01,530 --> 01:43:05,370 and wave lake side by side makes it weird in podcasting apps to 1557 01:43:05,370 --> 01:43:08,220 feeds and cast thematic and others but this far MSP is 1558 01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:13,470 proven more popular. Well that's interesting. Blueberry with 1559 01:43:13,470 --> 01:43:19,380 11,111 and was able to conform the split kits were split kid 1560 01:43:19,380 --> 01:43:22,320 works with at least this many song and live chapter blocks. 1561 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:26,220 He's got a link there. I think the final count was 21 that 1562 01:43:26,220 --> 01:43:29,130 included an intermission block with custom durations for our 1563 01:43:29,130 --> 01:43:32,460 mixes live GIF art changed seamlessly it was beautiful 1564 01:43:32,460 --> 01:43:36,300 Steven B. Yeah this split kid man Holy crap. Yeah, this this 1565 01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:39,120 something to me see what this what this link looks like with 1566 01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:45,060 this. Second one. Here we go. Let me see. Show me the split 1567 01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:48,450 kit value block because you can you when you when you do it. Oh 1568 01:43:48,450 --> 01:43:51,600 my goodness. Oh, that's hilarious. Hold on. I gotta put 1569 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,530 that in the chat room. That's hilarious. Look at look at this 1570 01:43:55,530 --> 01:44:00,720 list. That is very cool. So this must have been that must have 1571 01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,520 been all songs then. I guess. Let me see. And I think that 1572 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,990 song Holy crap. That's. That's a lot. stuffs working man. I love 1573 01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:16,380 that. We go to tone wrecker. Hola, 1333 Bookstagram two year 1574 01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:19,110 anniversary of July 7 is wild. Thank you to everyone putting in 1575 01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:21,690 the work and making the effort to make such progress. Of course 1576 01:44:21,690 --> 01:44:25,080 we love everybody has been doing that. We got Cole McCormick with 1577 01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:32,310 5492 What up live boost cotton gin with 3333 it br Thanks for 1578 01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:36,810 the pod ping help earlier. I don't know if you did that you 1579 01:44:36,810 --> 01:44:41,040 might have we've got Dred Scott boosting in the split kit. 1580 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:48,960 22,222 very nice official rows. Super cool. Our Davis 87 again 1581 01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,470 boosting podcast and 2.0 for the tour of sausage making factory I 1582 01:44:52,470 --> 01:44:56,040 love the inside baseball field go poskitt podcasting episode 1583 01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:02,490 boost yesterday. Steven B II with the split kit which is a 1584 01:45:02,490 --> 01:45:06,300 boost for you Dave it says boost for date I think it went to your 1585 01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:07,890 node somehow 1586 01:45:08,729 --> 01:45:09,509 Dave Jones: what is it 1587 01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:14,250 Adam Curry: I don't know it just says Dave Jones so maybe just he 1588 01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:17,790 just put you in there I don't know what he's using but your 1589 01:45:17,790 --> 01:45:22,110 wallet receives something I'm sure boop donation to eight 1590 01:45:22,110 --> 01:45:25,380 double oh eight from I am Mr. Robot just noticed the animated 1591 01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:28,320 logo and fountain live for this episode definitely is the first 1592 01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,260 one I've seen would love to see it implemented more five by five 1593 01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:35,490 in the GIF. Yeah, that's our beautiful, our beautiful lit 1594 01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,890 arch which is indeed animated and works. We love it. Courtesy 1595 01:45:40,890 --> 01:45:45,090 of bloom of blueberry. Then we have anonymous who just before 1596 01:45:45,090 --> 01:45:50,490 we started the show decided to come in and do a massive baller 1597 01:45:50,490 --> 01:45:57,150 duck boost 20 222,222 boosting for when this is over by Ally 1598 01:45:57,150 --> 01:46:01,200 Mitchell so not entirely to us, but definitely give you $1 For 1599 01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:07,230 that Blaze only Impala beautiful Dred Scott with 1000 SATs and a 1600 01:46:07,230 --> 01:46:11,940 second Dred Scott with 123456 boosting for the boost busco 1601 01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:18,600 podcast Thank you shot 20 his blades on him very much 1602 01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,570 appreciate and that does it for our live boost except for the 1603 01:46:21,570 --> 01:46:25,500 one that might have just come in. Oh, there it is. Oh, boy. 1604 01:46:25,710 --> 01:46:31,200 Oh, of course. Darren O'Neal. 110,416 Satoshis. Hey, you need 1605 01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:38,610 a shouty voice rhyming sidekick for that new music show. Blaze 1606 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:42,060 only Impala. We need a name first. Darren. That's what we 1607 01:46:42,060 --> 01:46:44,880 need. Get us a name. That's what we got to start with artwork is 1608 01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,430 hints of artwork and some jingles and yeah, we got a lot 1609 01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:51,150 to do. Yeah, but I'm pumped. I'm getting ready. I'm very excited 1610 01:46:51,150 --> 01:46:52,980 about it. Very excited about it. 1611 01:46:53,700 --> 01:46:58,500 Dave Jones: We got one. Baller Pay Pal. Oh, right. Yeah, we 1612 01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:03,240 did. From the boys@rss.com. Ben and Alberto, in the gang of 1613 01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:05,220 $555. 1614 01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:11,130 Adam Curry: Dude, thank you so much. rss.com. Man, keeping us 1615 01:47:11,130 --> 01:47:13,560 going appreciate that so much. Appreciate your 1616 01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,490 Dave Jones: location, location, location. Thank you, Adam, Dave, 1617 01:47:17,490 --> 01:47:20,790 and all other contributors to the location tag from your 1618 01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:26,460 friends@rss.com they released four tags supported now things 1619 01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:32,850 look better look this up. Location liasons episode and 1620 01:47:32,850 --> 01:47:35,640 season so they get there. They're coming on there and 1621 01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,020 they're rolling them out. 1622 01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:42,960 Adam Curry: Nice. Steven B just sent a suggestion. For name, 1623 01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,110 which I'm going to first see if it's available for I mentioned 1624 01:47:46,110 --> 01:47:46,260 it. 1625 01:47:48,270 --> 01:47:51,150 Dave Jones: Only send a send in boost. Boost form. 1626 01:47:51,210 --> 01:47:54,570 Adam Curry: Yeah, hold on. Let me see if it's available. What 1627 01:47:54,570 --> 01:47:57,750 do you think of boost bangers ball? 1628 01:47:59,130 --> 01:48:03,240 Dave Jones: I like it. I like boosts mayor's ball. That 1629 01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:07,680 Adam Curry: boosts bangers ball might be cute. We could also do 1630 01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,980 boosters ball but boost bangers ball kind of fits with me a 1631 01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:13,620 little bit although I want people to think it's only one 1632 01:48:13,620 --> 01:48:17,550 type of music. True boost bangers my wife registered it 1633 01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:21,060 just in case you never know. John the list even thank you 1634 01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:22,740 very much. Good one good idea. 1635 01:48:24,030 --> 01:48:29,520 Dave Jones: Let's see here. Okay, I guess Mr. Graham's Thank 1636 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,560 you, Ben and Alberta. Appreciate you guys. Yeah, thank you. I 1637 01:48:32,220 --> 01:48:36,510 guess Mr. Graham's 3333 from harm head times to no note thank 1638 01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:41,010 you hard hat. Oh, there's Blueberry. Blueberry said oh, he 1639 01:48:41,010 --> 01:48:46,260 said he sent his animated GIF to me. Nice. Sorry. I couldn't get 1640 01:48:46,260 --> 01:48:50,190 his in before the show. No, no problem. I've I was gonna I was 1641 01:48:50,190 --> 01:48:56,040 gonna send him his 100k sat bounty and ran out of liquidity. 1642 01:48:56,070 --> 01:49:00,090 Oh, no. On your no guest index channel. So I had to. I didn't 1643 01:49:00,090 --> 01:49:03,180 have enough liquidity to send the whole thing so I didn't open 1644 01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:06,570 a new channel. But it seems that opens I'll send it this 1645 01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:11,010 afternoon. Joel ws central Richards. 1111. No note. Thank 1646 01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:15,420 you, Joe. Debbie. froze ear 25,000 SATs he says thank you. 1647 01:49:16,530 --> 01:49:20,910 Thank you. Ro ducks from anonymous. Thank you. No note on 1648 01:49:20,910 --> 01:49:27,510 that. 20 To 22 from UPS Chris. Oh, this is a UPS guy right UPS 1649 01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:29,310 Adam Curry: Chris? Oh, yeah. He gives us all the inside dirt on 1650 01:49:29,310 --> 01:49:33,060 the strike on the pending strike. Which by the way, if UPS 1651 01:49:33,060 --> 01:49:35,730 goes on strike, this is going to be a problem in America. 1652 01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:38,940 Dave Jones: Yeah, Mirka is going to cease to exist 1653 01:49:40,109 --> 01:49:41,069 Adam Curry: will be a problem. 1654 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,550 Dave Jones: UPS Chris and 2222. And he says thank you for that. 1655 01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:46,470 Thank you, Adam for constantly telling the truth. 1656 01:49:47,609 --> 01:49:48,689 Adam Curry: My pleasure 1657 01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:54,750 Dave Jones: to see DS last and 777 He says I love These 1658 01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:56,520 meetings. You too are doing the Lord's work. Well, thank you 1659 01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:07,200 these last Expo RIT A resume XORESME xo XO Resnick so resume. 1660 01:50:09,150 --> 01:50:10,170 Adam Curry: Resume. I don't know. 1661 01:50:11,729 --> 01:50:14,069 Dave Jones: 10,000 says no, no, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1662 01:50:14,069 --> 01:50:18,719 So resume, Chris from Jupiter. Jupiter broadcasting that Chris 1663 01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:23,759 Vickery says a monster satchel a huge satchel Richard, it has to 1664 01:50:23,759 --> 01:50:29,309 be huge to fit his social Richard 111111 fountain. Very 1665 01:50:29,309 --> 01:50:29,609 nice. 1666 01:50:30,779 --> 01:50:33,029 Adam Curry: Boost. Thank you. Beautiful 1667 01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:37,650 Dave Jones: boosting for that road duo talk. I'm also keeping 1668 01:50:37,650 --> 01:50:39,270 my eye on it near tax time. 1669 01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:43,800 Adam Curry: Yeah, I set up my whole duplicate system. I got 1670 01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:47,160 everything everything is now in duplicate. But you know, the duo 1671 01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:51,840 was 499 all the other stuff my MIDI keyboard by Yeah, I got 1672 01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,440 another mouse I got another mouse pad I got a regular your 1673 01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:00,090 wireless keyboard of course I hook it all into the what do you 1674 01:51:00,090 --> 01:51:03,480 call it into the surface, which I take on the road, which I also 1675 01:51:03,480 --> 01:51:06,780 updated. It's always fun when you open up a Windows machine 1676 01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:10,380 three months since the last time you use it. It takes about three 1677 01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:13,410 hours to update itself and all that crap that goes on. It's the 1678 01:51:13,410 --> 01:51:16,770 worst thing ever. And that cost like 150 bucks to do all that. 1679 01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:20,730 So my whole road kit is good to go. And I'm gonna be maybe I'll 1680 01:51:20,730 --> 01:51:24,300 test it next week. Just use the whole duplicate system. That duo 1681 01:51:24,300 --> 01:51:27,450 caster is some sweet sweet joy, man. I'll tell you. 1682 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,870 Dave Jones: I'm beautiful. Get it? I'm gonna have to get it. 1683 01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:31,650 It's a 1684 01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:34,110 Adam Curry: beautiful box. And I'll give any if you want my my 1685 01:51:34,110 --> 01:51:35,580 settings, we're happy to send them to you. 1686 01:51:36,269 --> 01:51:38,369 Dave Jones: Yes, absolutely. I'm gonna have to get it because I 1687 01:51:38,369 --> 01:51:41,639 think I'm going to start a new podcast at some point. Oh, 1688 01:51:42,059 --> 01:51:46,709 Adam Curry: are we are we breaking up? Are you cheating on 1689 01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:46,889 me? 1690 01:51:47,370 --> 01:51:49,080 Dave Jones: No, this is an open relationship. 1691 01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:54,150 Adam Curry: I don't know if I'm poly? I'm not so sure. A poly 1692 01:51:54,150 --> 01:51:54,930 podcaster 1693 01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:59,100 Dave Jones: or you don't want to be in the lifestyle? No, I 1694 01:51:59,100 --> 01:51:59,850 Adam Curry: don't think so. 1695 01:52:01,109 --> 01:52:03,719 Dave Jones: No, this is not this is not that kind of fun. This is 1696 01:52:03,719 --> 01:52:05,369 a solo operation here. Oh, 1697 01:52:05,370 --> 01:52:07,530 Adam Curry: what are you going to do? When do you want to lift 1698 01:52:07,530 --> 01:52:08,790 a little tip of the veil? 1699 01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:12,210 Dave Jones: Oh, it's just it's nothing big. It's just something 1700 01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:17,100 to read a ton. tons of books like I just finished the 1701 01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:21,390 technological society by Chaka law. Great book, Fantastic book, 1702 01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:26,520 big book. And as I'm reading these books, I highlight a lot a 1703 01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:30,600 markup a lot. And I'm like, you know this. So take a deck of 1704 01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:35,850 book like the technological society. Very dense, very thick 1705 01:52:35,850 --> 01:52:41,340 book. Yeah, it's a lot to ask somebody. There's so much 1706 01:52:41,370 --> 01:52:45,330 information in there this valuable but it's spread out 1707 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:49,590 through the whole book in little nuggets, you know, you don't you 1708 01:52:49,590 --> 01:52:52,260 don't necessarily want to have somebody want to ask somebody to 1709 01:52:52,260 --> 01:52:58,560 read 500 pages of a book in order to get like, you know, a 1710 01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:02,880 dozen good little chunks out of it. So I thought why don't I 1711 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,330 just have like a little thing where when I hit one of those 1712 01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:10,110 chunks, just record just record it. Oh, and throw it into 1713 01:53:10,110 --> 01:53:13,560 podcast, no discussions, no book reviews, none of that just like 1714 01:53:13,980 --> 01:53:16,110 Adam Curry: I like that. Yeah, that's kind of what you do on 1715 01:53:16,110 --> 01:53:19,110 signal you send me little blurbs from from some of your books. 1716 01:53:19,590 --> 01:53:23,730 Dave Jones: Yeah and then like I could thread it like it's a way 1717 01:53:23,730 --> 01:53:26,460 to get through and hit the all the highlight the cliffnotes 1718 01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:30,720 version of a book in in Episode form over you know over a few 1719 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:31,200 weeks 1720 01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,660 Adam Curry: into that I'd subscribe for sure. Count me in 1721 01:53:33,690 --> 01:53:34,350 count me. 1722 01:53:34,979 --> 01:53:36,989 Dave Jones: Well, I need to do I need a road caster do Oh, 1723 01:53:36,990 --> 01:53:39,420 Adam Curry: yes. Yes. Then count me in. 1724 01:53:39,899 --> 01:53:42,779 Dave Jones: Okay. Brian is bigger. 500 says that's a fun 1725 01:53:42,779 --> 01:53:47,039 song boosting Thank you Thank you. Be mozzie Brian mozzie 1726 01:53:47,579 --> 01:53:56,459 through fountains and it's 3333 says go podcasting podcast your 1727 01:53:56,459 --> 01:54:00,779 uncle Uncle Laurent sent us satchel Richards go podcasting. 1728 01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:05,040 Adam Curry: There you go. I'll do it. 1729 01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:11,879 Dave Jones: remake. remake. Rhema King. I don't know these 1730 01:54:11,879 --> 01:54:17,519 names. Remaking Oh, here it is remaking Eden. Oh yeah, remaking 1731 01:54:17,549 --> 01:54:23,279 Edison 5000 SATs no note that that one. Made my eyes crossed. 1732 01:54:23,729 --> 01:54:28,019 Jean been 4096 a 4k killer boost. Said they said the new 1733 01:54:28,019 --> 01:54:32,189 XMPP enabled boost bot that also post activity pub sounds really 1734 01:54:32,189 --> 01:54:42,719 nice. And he sent another 4096 Thank you. GMB. Alex. What 1735 01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:48,329 exactly have you done? What did you do with the with the boost 1736 01:54:48,329 --> 01:54:53,909 bot as you hooked it into the room on or the channel on no 1737 01:54:53,909 --> 01:54:54,509 agenda tube? 1738 01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,010 Unknown: Well, that's kind of the beautiful thing about XMPP 1739 01:54:59,010 --> 01:55:02,250 and activity buffers. It matters. You don't really hook 1740 01:55:02,250 --> 01:55:06,690 it into the room so much is you have an account that you connect 1741 01:55:06,690 --> 01:55:11,130 to the erection PP server and it will post it whatever room is in 1742 01:55:11,130 --> 01:55:16,710 the feed. So whenever a push comes in, it listens to l&d. It 1743 01:55:16,710 --> 01:55:23,340 finds the XMPP room and the chat tag and it posts to that room. 1744 01:55:23,700 --> 01:55:24,840 So that's all this. 1745 01:55:25,439 --> 01:55:29,909 Dave Jones: So you just you took, you can boost byte code 1746 01:55:29,909 --> 01:55:32,999 and just written in added that in there. 1747 01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,990 Unknown: And the benefit of that versus IRC is you don't need an 1748 01:55:36,990 --> 01:55:39,480 account on every IRC server. You just have one account 1749 01:55:40,890 --> 01:55:46,110 Dave Jones: Okay, and that's Ivan's code Yep. Python 1750 01:55:46,109 --> 01:55:48,479 Unknown: I don't think he's I believe it's running in his his 1751 01:55:48,479 --> 01:55:51,329 yet so we'll have to help him with that. Okay, so I run it 1752 01:55:51,329 --> 01:55:51,749 myself. 1753 01:55:53,070 --> 01:55:56,250 Dave Jones: Oh, killer awesome. We got Jean bean again with 1754 01:55:56,250 --> 01:55:59,310 10,000 says boosting the tunes and podcasting 2.0 from pod 1755 01:55:59,310 --> 01:56:05,070 verse while flying home for vacation. Oh, post 5000 SATs 1756 01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:08,040 from Nick it says good too and one of the better V for V tracks 1757 01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:12,870 as the 3333 from I love sushi says test boost from pod verse 1758 01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:17,250 we got you I love sushi. Bill Prague. Think he's a hot thing. 1759 01:56:17,250 --> 01:56:20,760 Bill's a hive guy. 5000 SATs they found he says not sure 1760 01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,230 about using about the using apps thing. Seen some apps kicked out 1761 01:56:25,230 --> 01:56:27,810 from the store because of crypto tipping option could be 1762 01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:31,350 important to have a good browser alternative. Yeah, 1763 01:56:31,380 --> 01:56:33,630 Adam Curry: yeah, we've we've thought of that and we're just 1764 01:56:33,630 --> 01:56:35,550 crossing our fingers and our legs. 1765 01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:38,910 Dave Jones: Yes, right. Anonymous 10,000 says he says 1766 01:56:38,910 --> 01:56:46,380 coupon coupon codes are bullshit. Okay, bad career 1767 01:56:46,380 --> 01:56:49,680 advice. Chad says hello Richards through Felton. He says boosting 1768 01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,380 for the protection of listeners from the homeliness of their 1769 01:56:52,380 --> 01:57:01,350 favorite podcasters on jump 13579 through pod verse he says 1770 01:57:01,350 --> 01:57:03,780 boosting from pod verse did it go through? Did it go to the 1771 01:57:03,780 --> 01:57:09,780 time value split boost it did it did it did? Yes sir twin screw 1772 01:57:09,780 --> 01:57:15,420 1893 through fountain no note Captain egghead 2222 through pod 1773 01:57:15,420 --> 01:57:21,480 verse no note Kyron 1000 sets he says testing in front of a BTC 1774 01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:30,990 meetup nice very cool. Those on episode 136 Good one card oh wow 1775 01:57:31,020 --> 01:57:36,540 I was podcast Kyron tu tu tu tu tu tu 1776 01:57:41,580 --> 01:57:43,650 Adam Curry: There you go three and one nice 1777 01:57:44,069 --> 01:57:46,049 Dave Jones: through found he says I truly believe that value 1778 01:57:46,049 --> 01:57:48,509 for value will change the world digital content creators of all 1779 01:57:48,509 --> 01:57:52,799 sorts music podcasts art written word in their audience are going 1780 01:57:52,799 --> 01:57:56,069 to learn why this is important. It's a win win for both sides. 1781 01:57:56,399 --> 01:57:59,489 Both feel better after the value exchange added a V for V 1782 01:57:59,489 --> 01:58:02,699 presentation at a Bitcoin meetup last night in the excitement is 1783 01:58:02,699 --> 01:58:06,239 palpable. When combined with programmable money, it is such a 1784 01:58:06,509 --> 01:58:09,869 is so killer. A cover the philosophy of this all in the 1785 01:58:09,869 --> 01:58:13,379 value for value podcast. Season Three is now lit. Oh, that's 1786 01:58:13,379 --> 01:58:13,709 right. He's 1787 01:58:13,859 --> 01:58:18,569 Adam Curry: right. Yes, yes. Yes. I'm sure you heard about 1788 01:58:18,569 --> 01:58:22,769 it. It was kind of interesting to see. Larry Fink douchebag 1789 01:58:22,769 --> 01:58:28,619 think ESG Fink of Blackrock on what was that? The Fifth of 1790 01:58:28,619 --> 01:58:32,579 July. So it was right after? Right after Fourth of July, 1791 01:58:32,609 --> 01:58:36,719 obviously, on on Fox Business. He was interviewed for about 15 1792 01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:40,319 minutes and he was just say he was singing bitcoins praises 1793 01:58:41,970 --> 01:58:47,550 Dave Jones: that the ETF thing I think is is a much. It's a big 1794 01:58:47,550 --> 01:58:49,620 deal. Well, it's actually a big deal. 1795 01:58:49,649 --> 01:58:51,689 Adam Curry: I mean, I don't know if that's good or bad or 1796 01:58:51,689 --> 01:58:54,629 whatever. But I have I think 1797 01:58:54,660 --> 01:58:58,350 Dave Jones: well, let me see. I don't know if you remember this 1798 01:58:58,380 --> 01:59:00,810 as well. That's a stupid thing to say. Of course you do you 1799 01:59:00,810 --> 01:59:04,830 remember all this stuff? The Z and I'm serious about that. 1800 01:59:04,830 --> 01:59:08,040 Because you remember you have a clip memory. That's crazy. Yeah. 1801 01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:11,640 Do you remember about a year and a half ago on this show? You 1802 01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:16,140 played a clip from Larry Fink talking about Bitcoin. And your 1803 01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:21,510 comment at the time was that you thought that these dudes like 1804 01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:27,840 him? Were in the background? building their own 1805 01:59:28,530 --> 01:59:33,630 Adam Curry: horse? Oh, no, in fact, think it was this one. 1806 01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:34,200 It's quite it's 1807 01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:39,179 Unknown: still a very small market. And it can move in very 1808 01:59:39,779 --> 01:59:46,259 large increments with small movements of money. And so it's 1809 01:59:46,259 --> 01:59:51,689 not a market for the for the for the calm. I understand the 1810 01:59:51,689 --> 01:59:52,559 enthusiasm. 1811 01:59:52,710 --> 01:59:55,140 Adam Curry: When you were talking about maybe 1812 01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,460 Unknown: the Murata. This asset category is so small relative to 1813 01:59:59,460 --> 02:00:03,120 other asset The category and the preponderance that is being 1814 02:00:03,120 --> 02:00:07,830 discussed on Bloomberg and other sources of media tells you that, 1815 02:00:07,860 --> 02:00:11,400 you know, people are fascinated about it. So I would say 1816 02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:15,990 Business Media believes it's going to have a huge future. But 1817 02:00:16,020 --> 02:00:20,220 but let's bring it down to the investor side, everyone is 1818 02:00:20,220 --> 02:00:24,510 focusing on it, it could be another store of wealth. But 1819 02:00:24,510 --> 02:00:29,010 right now, it's still untested, and has huge volatility and 1820 02:00:29,010 --> 02:00:32,790 moving and five and 6% increments with small dollars, 1821 02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:39,270 investments moving. And so for, for anything like that to be. To 1822 02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:42,930 be truly successful, it's going to have to have a broadening of 1823 02:00:42,930 --> 02:00:47,130 the market. And you could invest large sums of money without 1824 02:00:47,130 --> 02:00:52,230 moving the value. To the extent it's doing it. So we're watching 1825 02:00:52,230 --> 02:00:58,050 it, we're enjoying the conversation is my instinct, it 1826 02:00:58,050 --> 02:01:04,860 may some form of a of a digitized currency is going to 1827 02:01:04,860 --> 02:01:08,070 play a bigger role in the future and it may be in Bitcoin, or 1828 02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:10,620 maybe something else that has developed, but there is a 1829 02:01:10,620 --> 02:01:15,030 fascination and that fascination is really 1830 02:01:15,090 --> 02:01:20,700 Adam Curry: fun to watch. So that was June 24 2021. I have 45 1831 02:01:20,700 --> 02:01:23,880 seconds of him from this earlier this week. And also 1832 02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:31,680 I do believe the role of crypto is it is it's digitizing gold in 1833 02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:36,630 many ways. It's instead of investing in gold as a hedge 1834 02:01:36,630 --> 02:01:40,920 against inflation, a hedge against the onerous problems of 1835 02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,840 any one country or, or the, for the devaluation of your 1836 02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:50,850 currency, whatever country you're in. Let's be clear, 1837 02:01:50,970 --> 02:01:55,590 Bitcoin is an international asset. It's not based on any one 1838 02:01:55,590 --> 02:02:00,990 currency. And so it can represent a asset that people 1839 02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:06,240 can play as an alternative. I would call the foundation of 1840 02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:11,130 Blackrock is about hope. You invest for retirement because 1841 02:02:11,130 --> 02:02:13,530 you believe tomorrow is better than today. 1842 02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:20,640 That last bit means but whatever they say an international asset 1843 02:02:22,170 --> 02:02:22,950 like gold 1844 02:02:23,310 --> 02:02:25,920 Dave Jones: in that earlier that earlier thing, it's clear he 1845 02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:29,070 said we need to we need to, it could be a store of value. We 1846 02:02:29,070 --> 02:02:32,370 need a broadening of the market. That's what the largest that's 1847 02:02:32,370 --> 02:02:33,750 the ETF. I've seen ETF 1848 02:02:33,780 --> 02:02:36,540 Adam Curry: Yeah, well, at least is recognized as something real. 1849 02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:39,360 Yeah, we see it as real as real value. 1850 02:02:40,979 --> 02:02:44,789 Dave Jones: Borlaug. 10,001 sets the pod verse, no note, thank 1851 02:02:44,789 --> 02:02:48,479 you for log, and we got the delimiter comic strip blogger 1852 02:02:48,839 --> 02:02:53,009 30 3015 through founding says, howdy, Dave and Adam. Are you 1853 02:02:53,009 --> 02:02:56,009 seeking intelligent, provocative conversation on the topics 1854 02:02:56,009 --> 02:02:59,759 shaping our world? Dive into the unrelenting podcast, your weekly 1855 02:02:59,759 --> 02:03:03,539 enlightenment with hosts Jean from Texas and Darren from 1856 02:03:03,539 --> 02:03:09,839 Chicago area from sorry, they again, from politics to 1857 02:03:09,839 --> 02:03:13,589 technology and societal issues, they fearlessly tackle it all 1858 02:03:13,739 --> 02:03:18,989 delivering sharp insights and engaging debates. Find it at WWW 1859 02:03:18,989 --> 02:03:23,369 dot unrelenting dot show. Use USB boost boost boost 1860 02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:25,919 Adam Curry: CSV, man it's so nice. He's promoting all these 1861 02:03:25,919 --> 02:03:29,039 other podcasts and I think that's very commendable. Very 1862 02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:29,729 nice of him. 1863 02:03:32,250 --> 02:03:35,430 Dave Jones: Let's see. Did you get drips gots? 123456 I did. 1864 02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:41,610 Adam Curry: I did a few more that came in just now. Steven B 1865 02:03:41,610 --> 02:03:45,900 says boost bangers ball was cotton gins suggestion credit do 1866 02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:50,490 and then TJ the raffle 70,000 SATs. Thank you very much TJ 1867 02:03:51,060 --> 02:03:54,750 exciting music talk today I want to help even more but as a 1868 02:03:54,810 --> 02:03:57,840 recovering musician and struggling just to survive I'll 1869 02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:01,890 boost when I can. Everyone supporting and working on P 2.0. 1870 02:04:01,890 --> 02:04:04,950 V four v music Thank you see people excited. 1871 02:04:06,810 --> 02:04:12,510 Dave Jones: I don't know what this is a Boris Celski. He sent 1872 02:04:12,510 --> 02:04:15,780 this notice that you really want to go the kim.com path 1873 02:04:17,700 --> 02:04:22,200 Adam Curry: kim.com path. Oh, is that about influencer stuff? 1874 02:04:22,649 --> 02:04:24,929 Dave Jones: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure what 1875 02:04:24,929 --> 02:04:29,009 he's talking about those decent 10,000 SATs but I don't know. I 1876 02:04:29,009 --> 02:04:29,159 don't 1877 02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:33,000 Adam Curry: know for sure. We got 1000 SATs from our Davis 87 1878 02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:38,730 book talk weekly with Dave Jones dynamite. There's your name book 1879 02:04:38,730 --> 02:04:39,480 talk weekly. 1880 02:04:40,380 --> 02:04:43,740 Dave Jones: book blurb not blur. But blur. 1881 02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:45,240 Adam Curry: Beautiful, beautiful. 1882 02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,940 Dave Jones: Oh, we get the monthlies. Yeah, we got it. We 1883 02:04:47,940 --> 02:04:51,570 got a few of those may run down. We'll see. We got Cameron Rose 1884 02:04:51,570 --> 02:04:54,180 $25 Thank you, Cameron. He's been with us for a long time. 1885 02:04:54,180 --> 02:04:59,460 Scott Jalbert $12 Chad Pharaoh. Thank you, Chad. $20.20 Mark 1886 02:04:59,460 --> 02:05:03,660 Graham. $1 new media that's Martin lindskog. $1 Thank you 1887 02:05:03,660 --> 02:05:10,620 Martin. Joseph maraca $5 Jeremy new $5 and Emilio Cano Molina $4 1888 02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,590 Adam Curry: Thank you all very much this is a value for value 1889 02:05:13,590 --> 02:05:17,070 product the entire project is value for value if you ever 1890 02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:19,920 wondering if this stuff works just sit here and listen to the 1891 02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:24,060 boosted gram and the donation segment it does people like to 1892 02:05:24,060 --> 02:05:26,340 support things that they're a part of they'd like to be a part 1893 02:05:26,340 --> 02:05:30,420 of the community and you can be they are with booster grams with 1894 02:05:30,420 --> 02:05:33,660 Fiat fund coupons as well we've got the chat room we've got the 1895 02:05:33,660 --> 02:05:37,230 you know the podcast index dot social this started from zero 1896 02:05:37,530 --> 02:05:41,340 from 03 years ago it's been three years three years now to 1897 02:05:41,340 --> 02:05:44,580 grow almost three years army you know in August okay so three 1898 02:05:44,580 --> 02:05:47,820 three years in August and it's not because of Adam curry and 1899 02:05:47,820 --> 02:05:50,250 Dave Jones is a huge brand names. 1900 02:05:51,930 --> 02:05:53,520 Dave Jones: The Dave Jones brand was epic. 1901 02:05:54,090 --> 02:05:57,120 Adam Curry: So you know, it's because we pushed and we pushed 1902 02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,510 and we and we asked them we said here's the value return it to us 1903 02:06:00,510 --> 02:06:03,870 and people do in many ways, but the three main ones are time 1904 02:06:03,870 --> 02:06:06,960 talent and treasure go to podcast index.org down at the 1905 02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:11,280 bottom you can find two ways to send in your your donations or 1906 02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:14,640 what we always really likely to see you do is get one of those 1907 02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:18,090 podcasts apps ditch the legacy ones go to podcast apps.com 1908 02:06:18,090 --> 02:06:20,790 Thank you Marcus for getting us that domain name. It really does 1909 02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:24,900 work people love using it to hear more and more and get a 1910 02:06:24,900 --> 02:06:28,080 modern podcast app that includes the opportunity for you to 1911 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:32,250 stream value for value sets as well as boost and thank you all 1912 02:06:32,250 --> 02:06:40,740 for supporting podcasting 2.0 Okay Dawn is cooking I think I 1913 02:06:40,740 --> 02:06:43,020 just hear pots and pans rattling and 1914 02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:53,070 Dave Jones: that was me that was through see I have put my 1915 02:06:53,070 --> 02:06:56,340 clipboard on. On this radiator. 1916 02:06:56,399 --> 02:06:57,419 Adam Curry: Oh okay, 1917 02:06:57,450 --> 02:07:00,030 Dave Jones: that was mouths making radiator noises Don may 1918 02:07:00,030 --> 02:07:03,210 be cooking on his servers that could be he's in the server room 1919 02:07:03,210 --> 02:07:04,470 literally while we're podcasting 1920 02:07:04,470 --> 02:07:10,860 Adam Curry: so to make up for feeling bad Alex why don't I 1921 02:07:10,860 --> 02:07:14,910 play after we end the show? Why don't I play your buddy There 1922 02:07:14,910 --> 02:07:18,180 The Official detox music guy cuz I got it lined up. I got it in 1923 02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:19,650 the split kit might as well right? 1924 02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:22,710 Unknown: Yeah, show legit shout out to Jameson. 1925 02:07:22,859 --> 02:07:24,629 Adam Curry: Okay because he's gonna go and talk to the 1926 02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:30,719 SoundCloud people so he's going to change SoundCloud mind, I'm 1927 02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:35,009 sure. Anybody else any any other things we got to do before we 1928 02:07:35,009 --> 02:07:42,329 get Oh, stop. What is this? What is this? No, this isn't that 1929 02:07:42,329 --> 02:07:46,649 this? I can't believe this. This is I mean, I've seen some 1930 02:07:46,679 --> 02:07:47,939 Richards in my day. 1931 02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:50,640 Dave Jones: How many Richards is it? 1932 02:07:51,540 --> 02:07:55,710 Adam Curry: We just got five Richards plus three, eight in 1933 02:07:55,710 --> 02:08:05,430 total from Stephen B. Play 1 million. No. 111,111 SATs a 1934 02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:07,620 massive satchel of Richard's 1935 02:08:13,380 --> 02:08:17,460 Holy moly. He says Enjoy your summertime pizza party from 1936 02:08:17,460 --> 02:08:21,120 everyone who used curio caster. The LM pay wallets are now 1937 02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:22,890 officially closed out. 1938 02:08:23,310 --> 02:08:28,650 Dave Jones: Damn, Stephen. Whoa. swinging his riches all over the 1939 02:08:28,650 --> 02:08:28,980 place. 1940 02:08:30,570 --> 02:08:32,880 Adam Curry: I mean, slap my Richards in my face. Man. That 1941 02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,510 was beautiful. Oh, man. Thank you so much, brother. Oh, there 1942 02:08:36,510 --> 02:08:39,900 you go. What else do we need to say about the value for value 1943 02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:40,410 model? 1944 02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:44,160 Dave Jones: So that's a close out on Elon on his LNP Yes, it 1945 02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:49,170 is. Yeah. Okay, sweet. Because it will. I guess we'll talk 1946 02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:51,030 about that next week. Because we're gonna we're gonna start 1947 02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:54,750 trying to phase out Elon pay. Yeah. Because we it is costing 1948 02:08:54,750 --> 02:08:58,050 us almost 500 a month. So that's, that's expensive. So 1949 02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,350 there's not much usage going on look this morning. And the usage 1950 02:09:01,350 --> 02:09:04,830 was like, Yeah, last thing, the last sets that came in, were 1951 02:09:04,830 --> 02:09:05,760 from like, June. 1952 02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:11,040 Adam Curry: Okay, we're really close. Well, thank you, Steven B 1953 02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:15,900 and everyone else who boosted in stream sets. You also gave that 1954 02:09:15,900 --> 02:09:20,610 to that value to Don and Alex who are both in the in the block 1955 02:09:20,610 --> 02:09:23,400 in the live block for today as well. And they'll go into the 1956 02:09:23,490 --> 02:09:27,900 into the block for for the episode. So that's very much 1957 02:09:27,900 --> 02:09:31,320 appreciated. Thank you so much. Thank you, chat room. You all 1958 02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:34,440 have been very kind to us today. Don. Alex, thank you very much 1959 02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:36,540 for being here with us. And thank you so much for all the 1960 02:09:36,540 --> 02:09:39,780 work you're doing especially on the plugin and no agenda tube is 1961 02:09:39,780 --> 02:09:40,800 really fantastic. 1962 02:09:43,620 --> 02:09:46,140 Alecks Gates: Yeah, just just don't just want to make the 1963 02:09:46,140 --> 02:09:47,250 ecosystem better. So 1964 02:09:48,090 --> 02:09:50,580 Don Kimberlin (Errhead): then we know they can the world better 1965 02:09:50,580 --> 02:09:52,200 and protecting free speech. 1966 02:09:52,769 --> 02:09:55,799 Adam Curry: They're so humble. I love these guys. Brother Dave. 1967 02:09:55,829 --> 02:09:58,769 Thank you, man. Thank you for keeping me on the straight and 1968 02:09:58,769 --> 02:10:01,319 narrow. You're right We're just gonna do the only shim we're 1969 02:10:01,319 --> 02:10:02,939 gonna use as in the title today 1970 02:10:08,010 --> 02:10:11,250 alright everybody coming up right after we're done we'll 1971 02:10:11,250 --> 02:10:14,940 bring you official detox music when I can be be make sure you 1972 02:10:14,940 --> 02:10:18,270 boost and we'll see you next week here on podcasting 2.0 1973 02:10:32,700 --> 02:10:37,260 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 1974 02:10:37,290 --> 02:10:39,840 and die for for more information 1975 02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:44,520 Dave Jones: it's bigger than I thought it was. 1976 02:14:47,939 --> 02:14:48,479 Unknown: Most