1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,730 Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0 September 1 2023 Episode 144 We 2 00:00:05,730 --> 00:00:12,090 got velocity Oh it's good to be back. Hello everybody welcome to 3 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:15,720 the only boardroom that welcomes live music on the table it is 4 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:19,590 podcasting. 2.0 That's right everything happening with 5 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:23,790 podcasting, real podcasting. You know what I mean podcasts not 6 00:00:23,790 --> 00:00:28,320 YouTubing podcasting. Everything happening with the podcast 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,920 namespace all this going on in podcasts index at Oregon. We do 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,680 have stuff going on there. And of course all the latest gossip 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,920 from podcasts index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,860 of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who's counting 11 00:00:40,860 --> 00:00:44,280 to 100 Just for you say hello to my friend on the other end the 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,180 one and only Mr. De Jones. 13 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:54,300 Dave Jones: Does this qualifies Season Two we were on such a 14 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,480 long hiatus. I feel like we should have rebranded as Season 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,290 Two season 16 00:00:58,290 --> 00:01:01,530 Adam Curry: two. I don't know does that work in any podcast 17 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:02,820 apps that season stuff? 18 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:05,580 Dave Jones: Yeah, I doubt I doubt. Probably not. 19 00:01:05,610 --> 00:01:08,310 Adam Curry: No, probably not. Probably not. David album 20 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:11,100 Dave Jones: Mark didn't even work in Apple until recently. 21 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:11,310 Yeah, 22 00:01:11,310 --> 00:01:18,900 Adam Curry: that's true. Dave I missed you I understand you miss 23 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:21,810 me to be enough to go throwing stuff around. It's okay. All 24 00:01:21,810 --> 00:01:24,180 right. Regardless is all fine. 25 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:28,260 Dave Jones: I'm glad to hear that you miss me because you 26 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:32,280 know you seem to be doing every podcast but this one I started 27 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,600 to feel a little left out. 28 00:01:33,630 --> 00:01:35,910 Adam Curry: I know. Oh actually I miscalculated 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,400 Dave Jones: in a mo facts. We did one of these. Okay, all 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,220 right. And that shows not even going anymore. 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,310 Adam Curry: Yeah, it is it has seven more episodes before it's 32 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:50,580 over. But what was actually really important mo fax was very 33 00:01:50,580 --> 00:01:52,980 important. Have you listened to it? I'm sure you haven't 34 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:56,340 listened to that I listened to you. It was on my player. It was 35 00:01:56,340 --> 00:02:01,080 very serendipitous in with what we're doing with value for value 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,580 music. It I mean, where do you want it? Where do you want to 37 00:02:05,580 --> 00:02:09,390 start my dear because by the way Hello boardroom Hello everybody. 38 00:02:09,900 --> 00:02:12,660 Good to see everybody in the chat room we are live and lit 39 00:02:13,140 --> 00:02:16,590 you should be using an app that I just read what I just 40 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:20,010 retweeted think podcast guru podcast addict pod fans pod 41 00:02:20,010 --> 00:02:26,880 friend lots of pods of course pod versus fountain curio caster 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,400 everything kind of works now with live and lit not everything 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,520 does value time split or as I call it the wallet switching 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,330 technology 45 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:37,230 Dave Jones: like this wildly switching technology ethos 46 00:02:37,230 --> 00:02:39,570 technology on the end of it it makes it sound like there's like 47 00:02:39,570 --> 00:02:40,020 important 48 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:44,190 Adam Curry: it's important yeah there is a team it's a huge team 49 00:02:44,190 --> 00:02:46,110 we've got this massive team 50 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:49,320 Dave Jones: but no it's but when you actually do it it's just you 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,010 and split kit 52 00:02:52,170 --> 00:02:56,550 Adam Curry: together i My heart is just so full of the music 53 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:58,920 value for value can we just talk about that for a moment? 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,010 Dave Jones: Yes, I will save my I will save my long story about 55 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:09,090 the so 56 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:12,780 Adam Curry: come on give us Come on give us a tease give us two 57 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:15,330 years Wow What do you what do you got to lose? 58 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,340 Dave Jones: I was sent a road caster 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,410 Adam Curry: why why do you were sent one bias by road 60 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:29,370 Dave Jones: no road yeah we really need to get him a review 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,330 Adam Curry: I would have been mad. 62 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:33,180 Dave Jones: I know you would have been pissed I got sent a 63 00:03:33,180 --> 00:03:37,200 road caster but I'm not using it in the in this story of how that 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,900 came to be is is worth telling so 65 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:41,790 Adam Curry: well. Why don't you do that first first. So who sent 66 00:03:41,790 --> 00:03:45,450 you who was who was the kind person to send the pod sage a 67 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:46,350 road caster? 68 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:49,500 Dave Jones: Well this is part of this is the fun. One of the fun 69 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:54,030 elements of this story is that two people tried to send me one 70 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:54,540 at the same time. 71 00:03:55,290 --> 00:03:56,670 Adam Curry: Oh my gosh, 72 00:03:56,730 --> 00:03:59,550 Dave Jones: it became a who can send David road caster first 73 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:00,180 competition. 74 00:04:00,210 --> 00:04:01,350 Adam Curry: That's fantastic. 75 00:04:01,380 --> 00:04:06,000 Dave Jones: No Sam Sam Sethi offered over email to send me a 76 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,460 road caster. He said I've got one and I'm not using it. Oh, 77 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:12,480 that's cool. Yeah. So he's gonna send me a road caster Pro. And I 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,000 was like, well, that's great. They let you know, 79 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:18,360 Adam Curry: a pro or Pro two. Is that sorry, I don't distinction. 80 00:04:18,510 --> 00:04:19,380 Dave Jones: Don't remember. It's 81 00:04:19,380 --> 00:04:20,610 Adam Curry: a pro send it back. 82 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:27,750 Dave Jones: In the free gift. Yes. So it may have been a pro I 83 00:04:27,750 --> 00:04:31,560 don't race it. It was leftover from his radio station. It's 84 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:34,050 Adam Curry: most well there's pro in this pro too. And you 85 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:37,200 want to pro too but okay. Sam is a beautiful man for doing that. 86 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,100 And the other person 87 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:40,980 Dave Jones: in I said, Well, you know, said Well, let me at least 88 00:04:40,980 --> 00:04:44,040 pay pay shipping isn't expensive, you know, gift and 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,600 everything. Well then, then Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout texts 90 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,880 me went like a day after Sam sent that email and says, Hey, 91 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,800 what's your shipping address? And we'll send you some, but he 92 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,510 never told me what it was. So then two days later, or caster 93 00:05:00,510 --> 00:05:05,130 Pro Duo shows up on the front oh wow that's the one you want yeah 94 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:08,310 I got the little it's the it's the one you wanted me to get yes 95 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:08,610 that's the 96 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:11,460 Adam Curry: one you want that that is and I tested it on the 97 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:15,780 road that is it I mean it's fantastic is exactly what you 98 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:19,740 want in fact if the if it had come out before I got the road 99 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:21,630 caster to I probably would have gotten that one. 100 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:28,080 Dave Jones: Well the fantastic part is it was literally that in 101 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,850 quotes for Ron oh yeah all right. I didn't use so I want to 102 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:36,660 do this. I want to do this review of the non of this thing 103 00:05:36,690 --> 00:05:42,840 of this thing into parts. First shipping box stores. 104 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:46,470 Adam Curry: How it came phase it came from the road or it came 105 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,870 from the from from Kevin 106 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:53,220 Dave Jones: came from Kevin ordered it from like the BH 107 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:58,200 video. Yeah, yeah, b&h Sure. corbion at b&h been shipping 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Foster's got here. Awesome. operation. Now the operational 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,330 review is going to take the form of a short story. Let's do it. 110 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:15,780 So, unbox this about a week after I got it. And just I'm 111 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:17,970 like, Okay, I need to check this thing out and make sure it works 112 00:06:17,970 --> 00:06:23,070 and everything fired up. It's great. Like, immediately I can 113 00:06:23,070 --> 00:06:28,470 see how great this thing is. Spent some time with it. Playing 114 00:06:28,470 --> 00:06:29,250 around Scottsdale. 115 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:30,899 Adam Curry: Take it out to dinner. 116 00:06:33,210 --> 00:06:39,300 Dave Jones: afforded a drink. Yeah. So it was it was great. 117 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:42,750 The preamps are dynamite. That's what they're famous for. Yeah. 118 00:06:43,110 --> 00:06:47,280 Fantastic. So I'm playing around with this thing. I'm getting the 119 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,630 hang of how it works. So much so that it was so easy to get into 120 00:06:51,630 --> 00:06:54,630 and set up and use that I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna, I 121 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:58,410 just took down my my old setup, I removed all the cords, 122 00:06:58,650 --> 00:07:01,770 everything. So I set my whole rig up and the whole workstation 123 00:07:01,770 --> 00:07:04,890 up with with the road caster duo. And I'm like, great. 124 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:07,530 Alright, so then I'm like, I know, we don't have a podcast 125 00:07:07,530 --> 00:07:09,750 for another two weeks. So I'm like, Okay, well, 126 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:12,300 Adam Curry: I'm gonna experiment. Well, I 127 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:14,280 Dave Jones: go. I was like, well, I'll just, I'll just come 128 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,980 back to this later. So. So last night, I come here to get back 129 00:07:19,980 --> 00:07:22,650 up and running and just make sure I know how to use this 130 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:24,240 thing because I was going to spring it on. You don't want it 131 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,380 be a surprise. 132 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,070 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, nice. Yeah, 133 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:34,560 Dave Jones: they've got new gear. And so some men Marigold, 134 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,710 or, you know, we're laughing at ourselves with with the funny 135 00:07:37,710 --> 00:07:40,530 pitch shifting voice technology. This is your daughter has your 136 00:07:40,530 --> 00:07:43,050 daughter. Yeah. Yeah, that's right, my 13 year old and 137 00:07:43,050 --> 00:07:47,040 generally having a riotous time. And so I go in there, 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,500 everything's working. Great. I go in, I renamed the default 139 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:55,380 profile from from default to podcasting. 2.0. Right. And then 140 00:07:55,380 --> 00:07:58,890 you hit export. And then no, it the Export button was grayed 141 00:07:58,890 --> 00:07:59,160 out. 142 00:07:59,729 --> 00:08:01,589 Adam Curry: Because you need to have an SD card in. 143 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:06,210 Dave Jones: Okay, yeah, exactly. Okay, so I don't have an SD 144 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:11,370 card. Yeah. So I rename it to podcasting. 2.0 and I exit that 145 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:17,190 screen. You off, you froze? Oh, user interface, it just 146 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:19,410 completely froze up. So I'm like, Okay, this 147 00:08:19,410 --> 00:08:21,090 Adam Curry: is weird. Hit the button on the back. 148 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:23,970 Dave Jones: Hold the button down on the back. I hit the hit the 149 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:26,370 button on the back. Nothing. I hold the button down on the back 150 00:08:26,370 --> 00:08:29,700 for 10 seconds. Nothing pulled the plug. Hold it down for 30 151 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:32,520 seconds. Nothing. Oh, no, there's, there's clearly no 152 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,660 hardware interrupts on this thing. All software's not so so 153 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:42,600 I go pull that pull the power. Rule one. All software sucks. 154 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,180 And it's full of bugs. So I pull the power. No sweat. Plug it 155 00:08:48,180 --> 00:08:53,730 back in. 25% progress progress bar for 30 minutes on the Buddha 156 00:08:53,730 --> 00:08:54,150 up. Oh 157 00:08:54,150 --> 00:08:54,870 Adam Curry: no. 158 00:08:55,020 --> 00:08:59,280 Dave Jones: I'm like, bricks. I'm like, what it was what's 159 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,640 happening here? I pull the power again. Plug it back in. Same 160 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,460 thing. Okay, well, so 161 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:12,450 Adam Curry: important one question. Yes. Yes, yes. When 162 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:15,600 you got the machine one of the first things I think it says in 163 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:21,540 the instructions is to connect it to Why don't use it. It's 164 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:24,570 connected to Wi Fi and then see if there's an update. 165 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:27,390 Dave Jones: Yeah, so I did better than that. I plugged it 166 00:09:27,390 --> 00:09:30,870 into Ethernet. And you check for an update immediately plugged 167 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:33,960 into the Ethernet is said firmware update. I said go it 168 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,070 updated itself rebooted. It was everything was great. Okay, that 169 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:44,490 happened day one. And so you know, pull up now pull all the 170 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:47,430 cords out. You know, I'm gonna get this thing down. I'm going 171 00:09:47,430 --> 00:09:51,420 full like a one. You know, a or a plus computer certified 172 00:09:51,420 --> 00:09:52,110 technician. Oh, 173 00:09:52,110 --> 00:09:54,690 Adam Curry: yeah. No, I wish you know, are you sweating a little 174 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:57,150 bit at this point? Are you mad? Okay. It's a little bit a little 175 00:09:57,150 --> 00:10:00,000 bit of sweat. Yeah. Okay, aggravation, little, little bit. 176 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,750 Yeah, if 177 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:02,730 Dave Jones: there had been a floppy cable in there, I would 178 00:10:02,730 --> 00:10:04,740 have been checking the orientation of the twisted 179 00:10:04,740 --> 00:10:11,250 perception. So, so did. So pull everything off, plug it back, 180 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,320 pull everything out, plug the power cord back in, hit the 181 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:20,430 power button. Same thing, but this time, I get to like 90% or 182 00:10:20,430 --> 00:10:21,150 a little different. 183 00:10:21,150 --> 00:10:23,670 Adam Curry: All right? You feel better. You felt better. How 184 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:26,400 long did you wait at 90% 20 minutes? 185 00:10:26,940 --> 00:10:29,880 Dave Jones: And I'm like, No, this is wrong. So I pulled the 186 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,790 power again. Plug it back in. I'm just I'm just doing the same 187 00:10:32,790 --> 00:10:35,100 thing over and over like a monkey at this point, right? hit 188 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:39,480 the power button. Now it comes up all the way to like 99% on 189 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,400 the progress bar and I get the Christmas tree. 190 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:44,490 Adam Curry: Oh, you're feeling good. At this point. You're 191 00:10:44,490 --> 00:10:46,200 feeling good? Feeling good? Yeah, 192 00:10:46,290 --> 00:10:48,480 Dave Jones: I'm like, This is great. This is I'm almost there. 193 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,090 All I have to do is reboot 787 or eight more times and I'm 194 00:10:51,090 --> 00:11:00,960 going to do it again. And this time it comes up and I get an 195 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,890 interface. I get to you I'm like okay, I've This is progressive 196 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:07,500 rebooting I'm not sure I understand this technology. But 197 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:07,920 this 198 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:09,780 Adam Curry: is daily. It's a feature. It's a feature 199 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:10,830 obviously a feature. 200 00:11:11,310 --> 00:11:18,150 Dave Jones: Yeah, and so so I get I get an interface. And I'm 201 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:21,930 like, Okay, this is working. Sliders are working. And then I 202 00:11:21,930 --> 00:11:26,460 hit the hit the gear icon. I'm gonna go try to see if I can 203 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:29,880 force it to find a firmware update. I hit the gear icon for 204 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:36,330 you. I froze. Yeah, so now I'm googling I'm like okay, what is 205 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:38,730 this this unknown issue or whatever and now 206 00:11:38,730 --> 00:11:44,340 Adam Curry: and I would say that the road website itself sucks it 207 00:11:44,340 --> 00:11:46,770 really does the way they've set that up and everything they've 208 00:11:46,770 --> 00:11:49,830 chaptered it and put it into sections it sucks just give me 209 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:52,980 one big page with everything but no okay yeah 210 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:56,160 Dave Jones: in the end the the the placeholders on the page 211 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,780 that you jump back and forth with don't always right no good 212 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,150 is no good. So I started Googling to try to find 213 00:12:06,390 --> 00:12:12,630 solutions to this and I run into like I run into this dude called 214 00:12:12,630 --> 00:12:14,550 the road caster master oh 215 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:19,410 Adam Curry: this is Oh did you get his number the road caster 216 00:12:19,410 --> 00:12:20,370 master 217 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,670 Dave Jones: this guy is fantastic. I mean, I love this 218 00:12:23,670 --> 00:12:31,020 guy. He brings a break. So this the road caster Master is a 219 00:12:31,020 --> 00:12:36,960 special person he can take like a like a 32nd How to and turn it 220 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:43,230 into 15 minutes you want a little you want a little sample 221 00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:43,860 of the road caster? 222 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:47,220 Adam Curry: I was just looking them up. You have a sample. Oh, 223 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:47,520 okay. 224 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:48,420 Dave Jones: All right. 225 00:12:49,170 --> 00:12:51,270 Adam Curry: Let me play a little bit of the here is a clip one 226 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:52,500 the road caster master 227 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:56,850 Unknown: the road caster Pro two. Let's go Alright. 228 00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,810 Adam Curry: Fine. I'm liking this guy. All right. Oh, he's 229 00:13:00,810 --> 00:13:02,700 Dave Jones: great. I mean, he needs the horn though. That's 230 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,000 the only thing he's missing. 231 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,430 Adam Curry: And that's actually it's actually built into the 232 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:10,860 thing. I can't believe that he that he didn't already use it. 233 00:13:10,860 --> 00:13:13,110 Let's just try that again. Let's just try him again. 234 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:16,650 Unknown: The road caster Pro two. Let's go. 235 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:21,000 Adam Curry: Alright, I'm feeling good. Now. I'm feeling good, 236 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,300 right? 237 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:23,220 Dave Jones: I'm like, Okay, this guy's will solve my problem. 238 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:25,770 He's gonna show me how to read how to reset the road caster 239 00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:28,740 Pro. Well, of course, nothing this the duo is so new that 240 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:33,510 nobody really has anything on it. It's on Pro two stuff. So 241 00:13:33,510 --> 00:13:36,690 he's like the he's like the this guy's like the recipe blog of 242 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:37,320 YouTubers. 243 00:13:38,610 --> 00:13:41,610 Adam Curry: Like his little icons, Roman helmet icon. 244 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:45,930 Dave Jones: It doesn't make any sense. So 245 00:13:46,199 --> 00:13:49,109 Adam Curry: he has 98 views of which 97 are yours. 246 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:58,020 Dave Jones: That's all my f5 dini goes from? He goes, he goes 247 00:13:58,020 --> 00:14:01,110 at one point into this into he's going to show you how to and he 248 00:14:01,110 --> 00:14:06,870 goes to the TRS 4000 skycam. Right on, which is yes, 249 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,720 Adam Curry: I'm putting this guy in the show notes. All right. 250 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:10,140 Yeah. 251 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:13,560 Dave Jones: Yeah, hit clip two. Oh, sorry. 252 00:14:13,830 --> 00:14:17,340 Unknown: In the comments. Someone asked the same question. 253 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,580 So since they asked the same question, I'm like, Hey, man, 254 00:14:20,580 --> 00:14:25,080 these are two comments that I just read and email that I just 255 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,200 read. You know what I'm getting on and we're gonna talk about 256 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:31,260 this on my break it down sort of forever be broke. So now what 257 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:34,830 we're going to do is we're going to transition to the TRS 4000 as 258 00:14:34,830 --> 00:14:38,700 a technologically advanced, Scott Kim is out of space right 259 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:40,260 now. He's going to zoom in 260 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,790 Adam Curry: All right, so he's zooms in 261 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:51,720 Dave Jones: zooms in and shows hitting the the gear icon on the 262 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,570 screen of which I can't get to right. This guy is ultimately 263 00:14:54,570 --> 00:14:57,000 worthless. He was entertaining for 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm sure 264 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,580 it's really worthless to me. It's So, I moved, I moved past 265 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:07,680 the road caster, Master and the so now try the road central 266 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,210 software. Do you have you used this? 267 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:13,170 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. Oh yes. Did you have the right version 268 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:15,600 because if you don't have the right version is not going to do 269 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,410 anything for you. 270 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:20,490 Dave Jones: I don't know what version I had the every video 271 00:15:20,490 --> 00:15:23,700 tutorial I could find that tries to get show you how to force a 272 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:28,710 firmware flash it none of none of these work because it this 273 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:33,690 thing only boots to a UI two out of 10 times. And so you and then 274 00:15:33,690 --> 00:15:37,500 after that you get about 15 seconds and you're frozen. So 275 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:43,770 the I guess the overall verdict for usability of the road caster 276 00:15:43,770 --> 00:15:48,210 duo is zero stars cannot actually get it to function. 277 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:51,750 Adam Curry: You know, I've heard a lot of a lot of these issues 278 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:56,190 when people don't have the SD card, which I think I mean, come 279 00:15:56,190 --> 00:16:00,000 on road, what does it cost? Seriously, throw and throw a 280 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,210 little SD card in there? Because that's where it's getting mixed 281 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:03,480 up. 282 00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:06,900 Dave Jones: So you're saying that it's possible that because 283 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,870 I don't have an SD card that can be the source of all these 284 00:16:09,870 --> 00:16:10,440 problems? 285 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,200 Adam Curry: I think so. Okay, yeah. Here's something you could 286 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:23,250 try. And and this now I am the road caster dual master 287 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:32,850 you can use one of those two interfaces to connect a drive. 288 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:37,410 So if you have an external drive, and you plug it into I 289 00:16:37,410 --> 00:16:42,030 think it's a number to the second yet that might trick it 290 00:16:42,030 --> 00:16:46,080 into thinking, Oh, I have some storage. I think it's looking 291 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,220 for storage. And when you tried to export your profile by 292 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:53,550 renaming it, maybe just renaming it. And somehow I think it's in 293 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:56,550 the default startup loop where it's looking for the default 294 00:16:57,150 --> 00:17:00,870 profile and it can't find storage maybe if we trick it 295 00:17:00,870 --> 00:17:03,900 into thinking that there's there is explorer, it is external 296 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:07,620 storage, because you can you can use the SD card or you can use 297 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:12,720 the second USB interface as a storage connection. Okay, 298 00:17:12,869 --> 00:17:17,279 Dave Jones: so I need a micro SD card and a USBC flash drives. 299 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,160 Adam Curry: Well if you have a if you have a micro SD card then 300 00:17:20,190 --> 00:17:23,820 by that that should do it. But if you don't in a pinch in a 301 00:17:23,820 --> 00:17:27,240 pinch, just grab one of those external USB hard drives you 302 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,070 have laying around we know you've got one with the 303 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:29,970 blockchain on it. 304 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:33,960 Dave Jones: It's not being used. Yes, it's 305 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,650 Adam Curry: available. Yeah, grab one of those and try that. 306 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,890 Oh, that's too bad. That's that is a bad experience. 307 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,300 Dave Jones: Well, it it is. It is beautiful to look at. It's 308 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:48,960 gorgeous. It's a gorgeous piece of tech. I actually got an ISO 309 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,360 from the road caster master. This is a beautiful piece of 310 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:51,990 technology. 311 00:17:52,050 --> 00:17:54,750 Adam Curry: Of course we want that that is a beautiful piece 312 00:17:54,780 --> 00:17:57,180 Unknown: of technology. Gee. 313 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:04,380 Adam Curry: So that's my road caster story of which I have 314 00:18:04,380 --> 00:18:08,310 which that is that is awesome. That is the I love you. That is 315 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:10,020 the end of show ISO No, 316 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:18,330 Unknown: it is a beautiful piece of technology. Gee. That is a 317 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:20,580 beautiful piece of technology. 318 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:21,960 Adam Curry: Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. 319 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:31,290 Dave Jones: Gee, this guy is amazing. He's great. I love you, 320 00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:35,490 Kevin. Thank you so much. And I will get this somehow a work 321 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:38,880 with road support or something to get this working. And we'll 322 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,890 end it will return to the show and functioning order. 323 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,200 Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited because you 324 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,980 know, and then you'll have sound pads you can hit and do all 325 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:48,120 kinds of cool stuff with 326 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:50,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, and annoy you to death. No, no, 327 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:53,700 Adam Curry: no, you don't annoy me at all. I missed you. I have 328 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,670 all the people of all the people I do podcasts with I missed you 329 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:58,410 the most yet because 330 00:18:58,410 --> 00:19:00,060 Dave Jones: I'm the only one you didn't do a podcast with. 331 00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:02,910 Adam Curry: I know that's why I missed you. We were supposed to 332 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:06,570 do it last Friday, but I miscalculated. And we were 333 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:11,430 traveling on Friday. Oh and and I really had miscalculated the 334 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:15,900 hours but we also had an hour and a half delay and then we had 335 00:19:15,930 --> 00:19:18,660 because I was going to try and slip on and as I said when we 336 00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:21,870 landed when we landed his people airport and you know I had the 337 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,690 hotel right there at the airport. Everything was good to 338 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:29,880 go. It should have worked out so we landed an hour and a half 339 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,910 late and then one suitcase didn't show up and that took two 340 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:39,030 and a half hours that's that's that's so I'm sorry and 341 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,880 Dave Jones: your trip you're rested and relaxing it was a 342 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:42,330 good trip. 343 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:45,090 Adam Curry: I'm not rested and relaxed at all no it was really 344 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,210 it was it do vacation. We're traveling we're going from 345 00:19:48,210 --> 00:19:51,390 Holland to Spain, a meeting people who are dying you know, 346 00:19:51,390 --> 00:19:54,900 my my friends who are in their late 70s and 80s. Like I just 347 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:57,420 want to make sure I try and see you once every one or two years 348 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:03,330 before you gotta go. Oh man. Yeah. I know none of the only 349 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:09,300 one guy I grew up with. He grew up in, in the hood with me that 350 00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:12,360 he's dying. So that but you know, so I spent a couple days 351 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:16,080 with him. And he who knows, you know, he may miraculously make 352 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:22,320 it and you never know it didn't look like it. I'm like, Yeah, we 353 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,690 want to talk about you on the show man is like, how long is 354 00:20:24,690 --> 00:20:27,090 that podcast three hours. It's too long. I can't listen to 355 00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:28,020 that, like, Wow. 356 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:31,350 Dave Jones: I don't have time. 357 00:20:34,860 --> 00:20:38,220 Adam Curry: But the, the older people like my first radio boss, 358 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:41,490 Lex Harding, had dinner with him. And then actually on the 359 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:44,610 Friday night that got all messed up. I was having dinner with 360 00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:48,840 kind of a pseudo dad, for me when I was in the 15. I started 361 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,500 out with illegal CB radio in Holland. And there was a real 362 00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,170 community and he was in there. And he kind of took me under his 363 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:58,950 wing. And so I know him and his wife and his kids. Kids are 364 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:04,560 almost like my age. And, you know, he's like this old sailor 365 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,920 guy who lives on a houseboat. And it's just cool. I hadn't 366 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,280 seen him in 30 years, like Moby Dick. Is that very much? Yeah, 367 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,210 very much. And Moby Dick Tai Chi can kind of guy. Anyway, we're 368 00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:18,600 here now. And the one thing I did do when I was in Italy, and 369 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,040 I did another one on Monday as the booster gram ball, and i My 370 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,320 heart is so full of excitement for what is happening here. And 371 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:32,640 the fact that we now have, I think, six value for value music 372 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,240 podcasts, and I have no idea how anyone figured this stuff out. 373 00:21:36,330 --> 00:21:39,750 There's no tutorials, there's no I mean, it's worse than the road 374 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:43,470 caster duo. There's no way to understand how to do it yet. 375 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:47,970 People like dirty Jersey whore. Mike Newman, I mean, people are 376 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:52,590 doing it. The door falls. The door falls. Yeah. TJ the raffle 377 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:57,030 which you know, he has this 10 brothers. And they all make 378 00:21:57,030 --> 00:22:00,450 music. It's the Von Trapp value for value Family Singers. It's 379 00:22:00,450 --> 00:22:01,020 crazy. 380 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,950 Dave Jones: This is nuts. Yeah. So and they're doing it self 381 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:07,740 hosted too. They're not the wave like yeah, 382 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:11,370 Adam Curry: so Okay, so there's a lot of things happen, I had a 383 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:15,300 lot of reflection on what's going on. And just by doing the 384 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,600 booster, gram ball, I need to need to get a couple of things 385 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,960 off my chest. Okay. I suddenly realized, repetition creates 386 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:31,950 hits. Now I know this sounds da. And, and I know, inherently 387 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:35,850 that, you know, when you're in and radio, you know, I should 388 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:38,880 probably step back 111 thing here. So I've done a lot of 389 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,210 radio in my life and radio. Yeah, you have decades of back 390 00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:46,860 catalogue says a lot of music. But really, the current playlist 391 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:51,240 of songs across the spectrum is limited. I mean, it's maybe 100 392 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,180 songs, tops that people are pulling from it, I was talking 393 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:57,540 to moe, he says urban radio, they're playing 10 songs. Now. 394 00:22:57,780 --> 00:22:59,730 This is 10 songs, that's all 395 00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:02,880 Dave Jones: just just make sure this is a 10 song rotation 396 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,480 pretty much 397 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:06,150 Adam Curry: and it's and it's all about hoes and money and 398 00:23:06,150 --> 00:23:09,180 drugs and killing each other. Oh, that's not very positive. 399 00:23:10,530 --> 00:23:14,340 So, so of course, when you're playing the same songs on every 400 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:16,830 station over and over again, and this is across the board, I 401 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,460 mean, even the different formats of radio, it's all still pretty 402 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:23,220 limited. Just go look at it. It's all based on on the charts, 403 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:28,410 you know, the charts kind of reflect what is available. And 404 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,940 if you're hearing the same song, you know, three times a day, it 405 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:35,910 sticks in your head. I mean, it has to be really crap and even 406 00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:39,600 really craps on will stick in your head. And so yeah, 407 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:41,490 Dave Jones: those are the ones that stick in your head more and 408 00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:43,320 more than anything. Um, so 409 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,680 Adam Curry: I'm waking up on vacation, and I'm singing the 410 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,800 songs that I've been playing on booster grand bought, my wife is 411 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,190 singing the song she's playing like, I gotta I gotta hear TJ 412 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:54,480 song again. What 413 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:58,530 Dave Jones: don't forgive me. Yes. That's been in my head for 414 00:23:58,530 --> 00:23:59,220 days. 415 00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:03,690 Adam Curry: You know, and, and Bobby shell and just, like holy 416 00:24:03,690 --> 00:24:09,450 crap with with a very limited amount of exposure. It's 417 00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:13,380 happening. It's really happening. So this, this just, 418 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,270 oh, this just blows my mind. But then I was actually talking with 419 00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:26,010 Moe. And, and we did a show, episode number three of moe 420 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:29,010 facts with Adam curry. And this is something he's been preparing 421 00:24:29,010 --> 00:24:32,430 for a long time. In fact, it's been so long in preparation that 422 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:36,660 it's a two parter. So we only we only did like three hours in 17 423 00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:40,290 minutes, which is short for mo facts, but as a two parter, and 424 00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:44,850 it's the history the history of hip hop. And okay, and at a 425 00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:47,730 certain point as most as you know what you're doing with 426 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:50,550 booster gram ball, what's happening with podcasting 2.0 427 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:53,400 Valley for Valley Music is says it's so perfect for this 428 00:24:53,400 --> 00:25:00,000 episode, because he talks about resonance and how what he 429 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,270 Brought up he said, you know, all over Anthony, all over 430 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:08,310 Anthony, not a record, not a music industry guy gets a song 431 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:12,420 out somehow. And it resonates. It resonates with a large 432 00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:16,080 section of people, not with Mo necessarily resonated with me 433 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,520 might have resonated with you. There's something about it. And 434 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:23,820 and of course, this is why immediately you get all this 435 00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:27,540 horrible information about him. Oh, he's Q anon he's horrible. 436 00:25:27,540 --> 00:25:32,670 He's no good. He's a he's a shill. He's doing it. Because 437 00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:35,670 the music business and this is where we're gonna go in part 438 00:25:35,670 --> 00:25:44,070 two, with with, with no facts, is how hip hop specifically 439 00:25:44,910 --> 00:25:49,500 became corporately controlled, because the message that was 440 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:52,290 being put out, I mean, I always knew that hip hop was kind of 441 00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:56,850 the CNN for the hood, in the early days that will not stand. 442 00:25:56,940 --> 00:26:01,950 So just as the podcast industrial complex controls and 443 00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:06,570 desperately wants to control what is allowed to be 444 00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:11,340 distributed on podcast apps. The music industry has been doing 445 00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:16,470 this for a long time, all the way back to Sam Cooke. Who this 446 00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:19,920 is all in that mo facts. coup, you know, they made him change 447 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,670 lyrics because he was talking about, you know, change is going 448 00:26:23,670 --> 00:26:26,730 to come and things that were just a little bit, you know, 449 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,580 might get some of those black folk all riled up. We can't have 450 00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:30,540 that Sam Cooke. 451 00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:35,550 Dave Jones: I have. I'm still in the middle of reading the book 452 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,520 called a question of sedition, the government's investigation 453 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,660 of the black press during World War Two, fantastic book, they 454 00:26:45,660 --> 00:26:49,380 were, the government has always been the United States 455 00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:55,560 government has always been very afraid of the of Black Media, 456 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,310 Black Entertainment, black news, that they have always wanted to 457 00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:00,060 keep a lid on it. 458 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,120 Adam Curry: And all of this came from the church, it all came 459 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,470 from the preachers who were hooping, you know, which was a 460 00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:13,290 very rhythmic type of type of preaching. And that literally, 461 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,690 you know, when you when you go through this episode with Noah, 462 00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:19,500 that really is the origins of hip hop. And so then they went 463 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,510 after the preachers, you know, and then they stuck the name 464 00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:23,550 Reverend in front of the in front of him. And then he's 465 00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:27,150 like, Oh, no, and the reference, look at Reverend Al Sharpton, 466 00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:29,790 there's a lot of Reverend out there who are not necessarily 467 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:33,480 doing things for their community, they are doing things 468 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:40,500 for the government, for banks for all their controllers. So 469 00:27:40,530 --> 00:27:44,400 realizing this, I'm like, Oh, my God, this is this value for 470 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,320 value music, to me now is as important as what we're what 471 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,400 we've done with podcasting to make it open and available and 472 00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:58,320 censorship resistant. And we're building something outside of 473 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,630 the podcast industrial complex. And it just and so now, now, 474 00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:07,080 every song. And there's something else that happened, of 475 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,130 course, we tried this in 2006 2007, there was called the 476 00:28:11,130 --> 00:28:16,890 podcast, the pod pod save Music Network. And the pod save Music 477 00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:21,540 Network was a website, you could upload your music if you owned 478 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:25,320 it. And with that, you signed a separate license. And the 479 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,530 license was very simple. You give any podcast who's a member 480 00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:31,950 of the network, the permission to play the song on their 481 00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:35,490 podcast, and what they had to do is put your information in the 482 00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:38,580 link in their show notes and report on the system that they 483 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:41,730 had played it when they played it. There was no money changing 484 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:45,540 hands. And it was quite it was quite successful, a lot of 485 00:28:45,540 --> 00:28:49,470 people were really into it and there was a vibe going on. And 486 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,350 some musicians start to get some traction, but there was no 487 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:57,510 value. There was no way for the value to to change hands. So 488 00:28:57,510 --> 00:29:00,690 that part is covered with value for value. We have value and 489 00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:05,100 with the value time splits or once again, wallets switching 490 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:10,740 technology. That works when you say that to an artists wallet, 491 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:13,740 switching technology. Oh, okay. I understand what you're saying, 492 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,080 oh, yeah, I get that you switch into my wallet. Okay, I 493 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,270 Dave Jones: get it. It works on me. I like. 494 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,340 Adam Curry: And, you know, in 2007, we didn't have the same 495 00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:30,990 level of technology for musicians. I have now you get a 496 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:35,700 Universal Audio Device or some other interface, you get a USB 497 00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,610 mic, some headphones, you get some software, you can create 498 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:42,960 any just as good as any other artists. You still need talent, 499 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,710 you still need this. It's still creating music. It's not simple. 500 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:50,760 But it's it's technology has made it so this it's time has 501 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,670 come. And, and I so another problem. My experience from back 502 00:29:56,670 --> 00:30:01,890 then was you know, it's not easy to create Even a weekly show 503 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:07,950 because you know, well how much is really available? Holy moly 504 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,610 the amount of music that has become available. In fact, I 505 00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:15,510 have a monthly boardroom report from Ron Plouffe. Ron's over 506 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:19,620 there in the corner he always brings his his PowerPoint to the 507 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:20,130 board meeting 508 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,040 Dave Jones: third cousin was removed from David Plouffe, the 509 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,400 Obama, 510 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:27,690 Adam Curry: different spelling but yes, feeds with medium 511 00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:35,460 music, Rose 40% In the last month 824 it putting that into 512 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:40,350 perspective, according to our statistician, Ron, we added 234 513 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:45,690 feeds in August, compared to only 90 in July. So this is 514 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,040 accelerating feeds with value block saw a corresponding bump, 515 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:55,290 adding 776 to finish it almost 15,000 prior to August, it took 516 00:30:55,290 --> 00:31:00,840 two and a half months to get that many feeds. So the snowball 517 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,550 effect is fantastic. Because what you now have is you've got 518 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:10,020 artists going out there talking on podcast, where where the 519 00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:12,840 where the music is played, and it's put into the wall switching 520 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,620 technology and and other artists hear it and the everyone's 521 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:22,200 talking. It's like what what what so cool, in fact that I get 522 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680 a call from Jeff Smith. Yes, sir. Sir 523 00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:27,810 Dave Jones: Sir Jeff Smith or Jeff Smith. Now Jeff 524 00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:31,140 Adam Curry: Smith has been in my life since almost the beginning 525 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:35,010 of daily source code early days of podcasting. And he kind of 526 00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:39,690 appeared in Jeff Smith. He's a Nashville guy is his he Jeff 527 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:42,090 Smith wakes up in the morning and says, Oh, I think I'll write 528 00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:46,230 a hit. And and you can do that. And he's done crazy pianos, 529 00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:48,930 that's been his main source of income, although he's played on 530 00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:52,110 lots of records, you probably know, but he's a working 531 00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:55,950 musician. And then when things get slow, then he goes back to 532 00:31:55,950 --> 00:32:00,420 doing crazy pianos if you don't know what that is, it's it's a 533 00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:03,510 bar there's many of them around the country but around the world 534 00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:07,200 I would say you go in there's usually two P LPNs. And their 535 00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:10,470 their pianos are back to back and they'll take requests from 536 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,400 the audience and they can just play it but then those people 537 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,650 are made they are and that but then they can play funny 538 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,220 versions. And I remember where I met Jeff was in Nashville, 539 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:27,810 probably. Hmm. I'm trying to think now. It was early on Hot 540 00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:34,380 Pockets probably 2007 or eight I don't know. And we did an It was 541 00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:37,200 no gender meetup so it must have been 2008 No, it's one of the 542 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,130 early no agenda meetups and and all sudden he's playing like no 543 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,500 agenda songs that he just made up. 544 00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:49,290 Dave Jones: Oh, this is this is is he the origin of the no 545 00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:52,680 agenda jingle? I mean, like is he or at least towards the 546 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,220 beginning 547 00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:57,420 Adam Curry: of the What do you mean the jingle like 548 00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:01,440 Dave Jones: you know the best part of waking up is that 549 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,310 Adam Curry: I don't know if he did that one honestly it's it's 550 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:10,530 so it's so hard to not have a second I have this so this is 551 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,730 this is this is something he did way back when I'll just play a 552 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:15,300 little bit of it 553 00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:31,440 Unknown: the ground 554 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,060 join us 555 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:44,940 next 556 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:55,950 Saturday 557 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,890 Dave Jones: say this Yeah, so 558 00:34:04,890 --> 00:34:06,870 Adam Curry: Jeff Smith just wakes up and is like, Oh, I'm 559 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:10,290 just gonna write this and he did an acoustic version. And that 560 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:13,500 but then I was like Jeff, do some jingles. And he's just 561 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,560 starting to do jingles and the funniest stuff. I mean, he's 562 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,640 done so much not just for for me, but you know, he'll do he'll 563 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,830 do openers for anybody for any podcast. I know the one 564 00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:30,300 Dave Jones: that he's he did the one. build back better for 565 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,230 someone else, right. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that's a great one. Yeah. 566 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:37,260 Adam Curry: Well, that was that was during COVID. 567 00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:41,910 Dave Jones: When that shows, that shows that artistry because 568 00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:43,470 it's brief nearly is 569 00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:47,070 Unknown: beyond your freedom 570 00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:57,300 Adam Curry: but now, 571 00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:59,130 Dave Jones: the genius right there. Yeah. 572 00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:02,640 Adam Curry: So now with Valley For value. Now, I've been 573 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,980 setting him up with people and then he'll just do it for a 574 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,860 split in the value block. And it's been very enjoyable for 575 00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:11,460 him. He like, you know, Adam, I kind of dig this, this is I'm 576 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:16,950 getting the SATs. And anyway, so an unlikely source comic strip 577 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:21,420 blogger, who also knows Jeff from from years and years ago, 578 00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:26,820 that convinces him to upload some music to, to wave Lake. No. 579 00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:31,440 And, and so Jeff and I are talking Yes, now, and Jeff gets 580 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,150 it. And he not and he's like, Oh, man I he's gonna get He's, 581 00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:40,260 uh, Nashville is in such a rut right now. Everybody's playing 582 00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:42,600 the same kind of songs. They're all playing on each other's 583 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,040 records. And it's just boring. It's just boring. And so we 584 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,820 start talking about about how this will all work. And he just 585 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:56,310 gets super, super, super pumped as as pumped as I am. And then 586 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:58,530 of course, as well, you know, how do I how do we get all this 587 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:02,280 work and how to do it. So well, we have no tool. So this is this 588 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,710 is the here's the good news. We got no tools. We don't know how 589 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:08,790 to do it. We've got no, we have no documentation. There's the 590 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,150 there's no, I was gonna ask you, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff make up some 591 00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,600 documentation. So one of the things that you and I have been 592 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,280 talking about, because you know, right now we have wave lake. And 593 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,390 wave Lake is fantastic as a as a pioneering start. Couple of 594 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,840 issues. You can't do value splits, it's actually a huge 595 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:32,070 issue I think with with for music, because we are here, we 596 00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:35,430 are going to circumvent the existing music industrial 597 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:39,330 complex. That means circumventing the money flow, 598 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:43,440 which goes into these dark organizations like ASCAP, BMI, 599 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,860 SoundScan, publishing labels, and you always have to sue for 600 00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:49,650 your money and you created it. And the end of the day, you have 601 00:36:49,650 --> 00:36:55,320 no money. We want to circumvent that we also don't know. But 602 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,130 then there's music side project.com, which is it's just 603 00:36:59,130 --> 00:37:02,310 harder, you know, Freedom always requires that extra step. But 604 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:08,100 musicians are, are better than podcasters. Musicians will beg, 605 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,880 borrow, steal, borrow sleep on girlfriend's floors, they'll do 606 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,350 anything, anything to get their music heard. It's just a fact. 607 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:20,070 So what do I have to do? I have to learn how to code. Okay, I'll 608 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:22,440 do it. Just tell me just give me a notepad, whatever I have to 609 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,230 do. Yeah, so they're starting to figure it out. One of the things 610 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,360 that has been broken in the music industry is discovery. 611 00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:40,290 Discovery became an algo. And what used to be discovery was 612 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,270 the DJ. And you would listen to your to your favorite DJ, 613 00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:48,420 because he would play cool songs. And you would go now I'm 614 00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:51,870 not gonna go way back, but you'd go to the sock hop. Why? Because 615 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,570 he would bring the cool records that he would be spinning or she 616 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,120 was mainly a male thing. And the DJ, the disc jockey, they had a 617 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,260 very mythical kind of special place in the music business, 618 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:07,740 which obviously turned into, you know, like, Hey, let me give you 619 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:10,800 some hookers and blow and play my record, you know, so there 620 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,600 was some issues there. But in general DJs would break records. 621 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,680 DJs were important, but it was still within this limited scope 622 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:24,480 of how many radio stations do you have? So they were kind of 623 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,250 the kind of the drunk guards at the gatekeepers door. Right? I 624 00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,910 mean, yes, yes, yeah. And so they were a liability really, 625 00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:36,060 for the gatekeepers. So we need to replace them with music 626 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:40,350 directors, playlist automation. And now, if you look at YouTube 627 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:43,800 and Spotify algorithms, algorithms determine what is 628 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,260 going on. And again, it's just repetition. So there are firms 629 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:49,470 and PR firms. Yeah, and all kinds of gaming of the system. 630 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:54,780 Yep. So you and I came up with this idea a while ago, to create 631 00:38:54,810 --> 00:39:00,210 a top 100 For all of music, podcasts, all the songs played 632 00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:03,930 on music podcast, WaveLight can only can only do a top of what 633 00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:07,170 they're doing. And wave lake as you know, the way they're doing 634 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:11,280 it is Ainsley Costello is going to be on top for the next two 635 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,430 months, because she knew she's a breakout hit, you know, then 636 00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:17,310 even number two is still going to be number two for a long, 637 00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:21,420 long time. That's because it's based on number of sets, which 638 00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:28,290 sets our total SATs, which is a very easy to game system. So we 639 00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:34,680 thought since we receive 1% For most apps, there's one or two 640 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:40,350 that may not but it's all voluntary. With that it's not 641 00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:43,920 it's nice to get the value but the value is very small compared 642 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,520 to the value of the information. So we know what podcasts the 643 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,820 track was played in theory, what podcast that track was played on 644 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:55,650 what podcast episode what the amount was, and if there was a 645 00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:58,170 boost, it was a boost to Graham any message that was sent with 646 00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:04,890 it. So I think King was a true representation of popular is not 647 00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:09,240 how much but how many, how many people have sent SATs to this 648 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:14,310 song. And with that comes a unique opportunity to enable 649 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:19,710 people to drill into each entry in the top 100. And see messages 650 00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:24,330 the booster grams, but also, what podcast was this song 651 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:27,870 played on? So now you're jumping around now like, oh, wait a 652 00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:30,870 minute, there's a podcast that played this song that I like, 653 00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:32,820 let me go listen to that podcast. So now we're 654 00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:36,900 discovering podcasts and music, and it becomes its own its own 655 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:41,910 thing. And so you and I talked about it. And you said, Sure. A 656 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:44,910 typical day like Yeah, that's great. I'll make that hasn't 657 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:50,790 been that easy. Has it, brother? No. I mean, I've already 658 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:53,520 registered domain names. I'm reading I'm writing copy Dave's 659 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,470 going like, Hey, this is pretty messed up. 660 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,750 Dave Jones: The the script that builds this chart is an epic 661 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:09,510 amalgam of edge cases and guardrail code. It, it's 662 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:16,950 basically podcast Jenga. I mean, the nice thing is nuts. Like, 663 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:22,110 me, do you want to like, do you want to throw the me? Do you 664 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:24,030 want to throw the URL? 665 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:26,850 Adam Curry: before? Before we? Before we do that? I have a 666 00:41:26,850 --> 00:41:31,770 question. Because it's just Tom, tell me what, what I'm looking 667 00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:35,250 at. Tell me what, um, you see what I'm what am I seeing? 668 00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:38,700 Because I mean, what's not complete? Is the the words at 669 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,180 the top, but that's okay. We can change that. But what is you're 670 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:44,520 looking at it right now. Yeah, I am looking at right now. 671 00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:49,830 Dave Jones: Okay, so there it is. Yeah, what you're seeing is 672 00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:52,950 if you click on the title, you know, that takes you to right 673 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:55,710 now it takes you to the podcast index. Right, right podcast of 674 00:41:55,710 --> 00:42:02,340 that podcast. The it's ranked and you have you have the SAT 675 00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:07,050 count as we as best we can determine. And then you have 676 00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:11,190 the, the author of the podcast, which in this, you know, which 677 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:14,400 in the case of a music medium podcast is the is the the 678 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:14,940 musician. 679 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,150 Adam Curry: Okay, two questions. One album, is it ranked by 680 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:21,120 number of Satoshis? Or by number of wallets? 681 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:31,200 Dave Jones: Both. So the way the way it is supposed to work? Is? 682 00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:37,920 Let's, let's see. So I'm trying to figure out how best to sort 683 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,970 of lay this out. So the way it's the way it's working right now 684 00:42:41,970 --> 00:42:51,660 is the first it does, it does a calculation of a how many sets 685 00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:55,080 that were received, divided by how many boosts 686 00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:57,600 Adam Curry: total number of boosts or not number of wallets 687 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,830 by number of boosts. 688 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,830 Dave Jones: So it's basically it's the it's the number of 689 00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,230 boosts, but the one with the greatest average. So so if 690 00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:13,710 you're averaging high, if your average boost is high, you're, 691 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:18,270 it's, it's I'm taking that as a quality signal. Now this is all 692 00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:23,190 very, is all very contingent in temporary, right. You know, 693 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,940 this, this chart may change algos every five minutes or so. 694 00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:33,930 Okay. So right now, so what we did? So I did one, I did one 695 00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:38,070 run. I haven't done anything with it since this morning, 696 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:43,050 before I left for work, so what I did was I did well, yesterday, 697 00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:48,870 I did a 90 day run to build the historical stats, SATs sat 698 00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:50,250 counts for all though, okay. 699 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:52,440 Adam Curry: Okay. All right, that that now I understand the 700 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,670 numbers a little bit. Yep. 701 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:59,760 Dave Jones: But then But then I added a seven day run that 702 00:43:59,790 --> 00:44:05,700 aggregate that that added to those numbers. And to get them 703 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:09,390 to get it to be more current. So like there's a 90 day for 704 00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:14,040 historical purposes only, but then it does a seventh it. Whoa, 705 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,700 the run this morning was a seven day run, where it looked into 706 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:22,920 and grabbed the number of the average boost amount coming in 707 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,860 for each show. It set that as the ranking. And then after it 708 00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:32,880 ran out of shows basically, it rants you know if there's only 709 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,240 let's just say if there's only 25 tracks, yeah, that were 710 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,810 boosted in the last seven days. Then it goes and fills out the 711 00:44:39,810 --> 00:44:42,210 rest of the chart with the historical data. 712 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,120 Adam Curry: Okay, so it's not actually the number of diverse 713 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,980 wallets but it's the average boost by number of boosters and 714 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:54,900 SATs for boost. Yes. Still scannable but much harder to do. 715 00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:58,350 Dave Jones: I would I would think it seems like it would 716 00:44:58,350 --> 00:45:04,710 take more you'd have to spend more to game it. Which it 717 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:07,740 doesn't help a lot. But well, you have 718 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,740 Adam Curry: to you have to, but it's not. It's not by different 719 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:14,670 wallets so I could boost I could boost the gram 100 times with 720 00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,450 one wallet. 721 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,340 Dave Jones: Right now that's true. Yes. Okay, so we'll in the 722 00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:24,390 read the reason that event I'm trying to head towards the algo 723 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:29,010 that you described it's been so difficult just to get the basic 724 00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:30,210 numbers what are 725 00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,640 Adam Curry: the problems what what is the what have our app 726 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:39,000 developers done to you? Show me and harm me on the app where the 727 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,350 app developer hurt you. 728 00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:49,020 Dave Jones: So the okay we're where to start? I have a I have 729 00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:54,540 a actually I think I have in my clips I think I sent you a JPEG 730 00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:59,580 Adam Curry: have a lawyer's Oh yeah, they live boost to take a 731 00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:01,380 look I'm gonna take a look at this JPEG 732 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,540 Dave Jones: okay. This this is the this is this JPEG is of 733 00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:14,640 drive discard I see. drips got boosted boosted a song on 734 00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:18,450 histogram ball Episode Five live. So this is a boost that 735 00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:20,310 came in during a live episode which 736 00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,520 Adam Curry: is where a lot of SATs flow to be honest a lot of 737 00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:25,470 a lot of it comes in on the live show. 738 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:29,550 Dave Jones: Tons now what do you not this is what these look like 739 00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:31,260 this is coming from curieux Castro I know 740 00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:33,600 Adam Curry: what I don't see i What do you notice? I don't 741 00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:35,970 Well, just because of the message. I know what this was 742 00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:38,910 boosting but I don't know, the remote item. 743 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,870 Dave Jones: Right. But but there's it's even worse than 744 00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:47,370 that. What do you what do you what else? I mean, like the 745 00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:51,750 remote item. And that's a whole nother discussion. But the lack 746 00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,890 of remote item. I was able to work around that. Really? Yes. 747 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,530 Adam Curry: Oh by by getting the the devalue time split data from 748 00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:02,100 the feed? 749 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:11,340 Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. Now, it takes 30 minutes to run of 750 00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:11,670 course 751 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:16,320 Adam Curry: the feed changes and goods change. Mess. It's a mess. 752 00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:19,800 Dave Jones: One thing you don't there's two there's two other 753 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,650 there's two other critical pieces of information that are 754 00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:26,100 missing from this to the record that you're looking at. One is 755 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,880 the episode GUID. Oh, because there's not was not 756 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,730 Adam Curry: a well, okay, to be fair. 757 00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:38,070 Dave Jones: There's not a good to be had a live item can have a 758 00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:41,700 good but but the live item is ephemeral. So it's gonna go 759 00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:50,190 away. So the the only way to track what happened for for for 760 00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:54,240 me to go back and calculate this after the fact. It would have to 761 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,950 be the live item would have to be have a Gu ID and that Gu ID 762 00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:02,910 would have to persist into the published episode as the same Gu 763 00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:06,720 ID so that I could go back and know what is what. So I can know 764 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,710 that they match. 765 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:12,030 Adam Curry: Ah, okay, is there anything that can be done with a 766 00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:15,240 T O V records that can help this? 767 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,830 Dave Jones: Well, the TLV is just is just a it's just a 768 00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:23,700 reflection of what's happening in the feed right and the feed 769 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,460 that is not giving that information 770 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,880 Adam Curry: Yeah, but if the ephemeral nature of live is the 771 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:36,570 problem. So, the lot the live live shows are going to be an 772 00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:37,710 issue in general. 773 00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:42,180 Dave Jones: Right so So in the absence of so this is what curio 774 00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:46,410 caster is sending right now during a live show. So in the 775 00:48:46,410 --> 00:48:53,010 absence of a of a GUID for the episode, and the absence of a 776 00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:59,520 remote item, remote feed good. I have nothing like it. If I could 777 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,570 have the ideal situation is the remote feed good remote item 778 00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:06,840 good. Those were on there were gold right at our head. There's 779 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,180 nothing nothing else has to be done except in dinner. Just have 780 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:10,230 to do look up. So if those 781 00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:14,310 Adam Curry: could be added to the TLV record, they could be 782 00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:15,810 added technically, right? 783 00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:19,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, yes, yes. Yes, for sure. For sure. The other 784 00:49:19,110 --> 00:49:22,590 thing that's missing from the live is the timestamp. There's 785 00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:26,460 no There's no timestamp value in this because live timestamps 786 00:49:26,460 --> 00:49:30,270 don't really exist. They don't make sense. Right? For a lot for 787 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:34,560 less so that. So in the absence of remote item, good remote, PHY 788 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,510 guid in this TLV and the assets of times to have I just have no 789 00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:45,810 idea. So there's many, there are many boosts being missed because 790 00:49:45,810 --> 00:49:48,000 I simply can't do attribution properly. 791 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:50,370 Adam Curry: In that case, you just ignore them. 792 00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:54,000 Dave Jones: I don't have a choice. Yeah, you have to like 793 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:59,940 this is this room drift goes one, two, this is 123,456 SATs. 794 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,940 Hmm. But it's I don't know how to I don't know where all I can 795 00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:07,380 tell is it says it's going to daydreamer but programmatic way 796 00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,930 didn't make that attribution and I don't I have no idea 797 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,450 Adam Curry: unless you go into the, the, unless you are able to 798 00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:19,410 catch it in time to go in and get the value time split from 799 00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:22,230 booster gram ball. Oh, no. Yeah, I guess you can get it from the 800 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:27,240 Okay, well, here's this is interesting. So when I do the 801 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,540 show live, then that show is published. So booster gram ball 802 00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:35,640 Episode Five, the value time split should be the same as the 803 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,100 live. Does that makes sense? 804 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:41,190 Dave Jones: Yeah, for your show is probably going to be the 805 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:44,880 same, right? So if some other shows they may mimic totally 806 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,640 edit down their thing, and it may they may be all messed up. 807 00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:54,990 So if, if, if the if the TV's come in for live shows, if they, 808 00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:58,440 if they can put the remote PHY good remote item good in there, 809 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,210 then we're good. We don't have I'll have any other problems 810 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:09,270 right? In generally speaking, so trying to get historical 811 00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:15,120 information right now was very difficult. Because in there at 812 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,910 the beginning, only Steven B's split kit. And curio caster Nan 813 00:51:20,910 --> 00:51:25,830 live, were the only ones providing good road out. And so 814 00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:33,360 what I had to do was take the timestamp. See and go so like 815 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,670 let's furnished for an episode of Bookstagram ball, let's just 816 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:41,220 say episode three, have to see that, get the feed resolved the 817 00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:46,410 feed, figured out as booster Grand Ball, grab the timestamp. 818 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,830 And then go get booster Graham balls RSS feed, right? parse the 819 00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:57,270 XML, find all of the value time splits in it with their time 820 00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:03,630 ranges. Build a build a table of those. And then and then find 821 00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:07,770 the timestamp where it fits in the range of us in the lookup 822 00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:13,560 table to pull out the remote PHY the item remote, remote, remote 823 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,630 PHY good wrote item guid didn't do a lookup on that in the index 824 00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:22,980 to find out the you know what that was? Yeah, so what show 825 00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:23,520 that was. 826 00:52:23,550 --> 00:52:25,650 Adam Curry: So this really doesn't make sense unless we 827 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:28,380 have the TLVs carrying all the information you need. 828 00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:34,770 Dave Jones: It's a lot of it's a lot of work. And so it takes I 829 00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:39,300 think I mentioned it takes about 30 minutes to do a seven to do a 830 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,890 run of seven days to get to for the whole build process to 831 00:52:44,070 --> 00:52:46,320 function. Right. That's why I was telling you on signal I 832 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,310 didn't like I was trying to avoid database work. Because 833 00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:54,600 this is already such this is already such a huge, like, bag 834 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,590 of scissors that I didn't want to get have to get involved in, 835 00:52:58,620 --> 00:53:02,730 in database. But I will I mean, there's really only the only way 836 00:53:02,730 --> 00:53:05,820 to do this right is with is with some database. And I'm gonna 837 00:53:05,820 --> 00:53:09,270 have to do that. And just trying to save. I'm trying to get all 838 00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:14,130 the logic right first, right before because for a while 839 00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:16,590 there, I didn't even know what to save, right? Like I didn't 840 00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:17,550 even know what to put in the data. 841 00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:20,400 Adam Curry: I guess what I'm saying is do you want to would 842 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,720 it make more sense for us to say hey, we need this information to 843 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,930 be carried in the TLV before we can even move forward or do you 844 00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:29,730 want to continue on this path? 845 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,910 Dave Jones: Now I've got the workaround for now. It's just 846 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:38,370 gonna have to be Xeno the language that I put at the top 847 00:53:39,450 --> 00:53:43,620 is not it's not ideal, but it does it does make a point you 848 00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,080 know, it's this represents the best approximation of how many 849 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,030 sets are flown to artists and it says the numbers could be higher 850 00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:52,200 but they can't be lower 851 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,800 Adam Curry: now as I understand them, but the problem is the 852 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,300 gaming aspect if we're not doing it based on number of separate 853 00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:05,940 wallets it's just gonna get gamed you know what I mean? Or 854 00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:07,050 am I misunderstanding 855 00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:16,110 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, cuz ya know, and understand what you're 856 00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:23,010 saying and that can be that can be done for to an extent. I 857 00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:27,150 mean, so like, so here's Steven Be like on that same jpg Steven 858 00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:31,920 D puts in the reply address the reply custom key Republican. So 859 00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:37,050 that can identify a wallet where we can say okay, this is a 860 00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:38,070 distinct wallet 861 00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:43,920 Adam Curry: Yeah, you don't have that information right right. If 862 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,620 it's always coming from fountain then you're just gonna get a 863 00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:49,260 preimage I guess is all you get what else do you get? You don't 864 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,640 you can't identify the wallet. 865 00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:53,850 Dave Jones: Right? Yes, because it's all key sin so you don't 866 00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:59,340 you don't really know. So it but you could also game a different 867 00:54:59,340 --> 00:55:02,880 you know, If we're if we're just looking at TLVs, which is all 868 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,220 I've been doing so far, I haven't dug into the actual to 869 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,430 really get to what you're talking about. And I wouldn't 870 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:15,540 have I'd have to dig into the actual lightning invoice and try 871 00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:19,110 to figure out if there's anything in there that can this 872 00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:23,190 distinct that I can key on. And I haven't even got that for you. 873 00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,290 So I don't trust the DOB record at all. Got it. Somebody could 874 00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:31,710 create a command line and just pump out to vase with all kinds 875 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:35,340 of fake information that is completely possible. There's no 876 00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:35,850 way to stop. 877 00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:39,720 Adam Curry: Well, the cool thing is, there's no prize for being 878 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:45,780 number one. You don't win anything. There's nothing you 879 00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:50,070 get. Ah, okay. I understand everyone's thinking very 880 00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:54,510 simplistically, as as as was I and I appreciate you explaining 881 00:55:54,510 --> 00:56:01,590 this. I think it would probably be helpful if we let people look 882 00:56:01,590 --> 00:56:09,270 at this, but that they keep their pitching to a minimum as 883 00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:12,000 if not at all because already I've gotten the following 884 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,510 booster grams like my brother Kurt suggested making a chart 885 00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,610 system based off how many wallets have boosted versus how 886 00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:20,130 many SATs they brought in that way there's no easy way to when 887 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,610 interesting averaging all the different data rather than just 888 00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:26,250 taking a single number like amount of wallets that donated 889 00:56:26,250 --> 00:56:31,500 interesting. So there's a lot of people are people want stuff, 890 00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:33,390 but they're gonna get what they can get. 891 00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:37,830 Dave Jones: So so the, here's the problem with here's a 892 00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:43,380 problem with key send in and why I doubt that there's going to be 893 00:56:43,410 --> 00:56:48,810 a way to identify specific wallets reliably. And if you're 894 00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:55,980 here's, let's let's just throw this out here. If if anti gaming 895 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,670 of things was was easy, or a solvable problem, most of the 896 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:04,950 problems on the internet would have already gone well who 897 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:08,580 wouldn't exist? This is not an easy problem to solve 898 00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:13,260 Adam Curry: right. Now, the good news is the good news is the 899 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:18,840 gaming here. only benefits the artist. Yes, and if they're 900 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,600 gaming themselves, Well, you know, okay, you just jerking 901 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200 off, congratulations. Because you really you're really not 902 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,760 going to get a prize from me. Now that said repetition, but I 903 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,330 look at the chart today. And I'll just say what I'm seeing 904 00:57:33,330 --> 00:57:38,790 here. I'm seeing number one, Corey Keller, it's hard to feel 905 00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:42,540 alive. Number two daydreamer Ainsley Costello number three 906 00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:45,870 two ships Ainsley Costello then come to door falls at number 907 00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:50,010 four. Don't forget me then. Surprising Bryce. At number 908 00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:55,950 five, the bye bye boys home. longyi at six right in progress 909 00:57:55,950 --> 00:58:00,660 at seven modern Marie signs and signals at eight lip service 910 00:58:00,660 --> 00:58:05,070 mustache ride my favorite of the week, Sara Jade Solution 911 00:58:05,070 --> 00:58:09,840 Revolution. This feels to me like a real chart because I 912 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,760 looked a couple of days ago and I saw Fletcher and Blaney all 913 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,340 over the place. Now they have their first entry number 12. 914 00:58:17,580 --> 00:58:22,080 feels right to me. feels right. Now these are not these are 915 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,880 Dave Jones: totally instant messages. You're saying this 916 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,440 seems to match up with what you 917 00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:28,080 Adam Curry: what I feel what I feel because I've listened to 918 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,150 everyone's podcast, I've listened to what everyone's 919 00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:33,360 playing. It feels right, that there's stuff in here that I 920 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,260 haven't played. And this is a run of 90 days with a with a 921 00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:39,600 weighting of the last seven days. Is that what you said? 922 00:58:40,170 --> 00:58:42,720 Dave Jones: That's right. So the set the seven the last seven 923 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,890 days, should is always going to be pro is always going to be at 924 00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:47,430 the top. 925 00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:51,510 Adam Curry: Because cherry on top is number 18 on this chart. 926 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,720 And that's very, it's very possible. I mean, it's played 927 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,140 out right. It's like everyone's played it and now it's not 928 00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:00,150 really being played that much anymore. 929 00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,700 Dave Jones: Blush allies read above that, which makes sense. 930 00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:05,310 Yeah, that one's kind of fallen off the rotation. Yeah, 931 00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:09,270 Adam Curry: yeah. make sense to me? Do we? What I've been what 932 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,190 do you think? Should we should we tell people where they can 933 00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:14,790 find that can just start taking a look at it and we really have 934 00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:17,610 to change the language at the top though, because it's 935 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,150 Dave Jones: most worth putting out there because because the 936 00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:22,110 the real 937 00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:24,540 Adam Curry: well, you don't have the out you don't have any 938 00:59:24,540 --> 00:59:28,860 explanation of the algo that that needs people need to 939 00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:31,770 understand what the calculation is based on 940 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:39,600 Dave Jones: the the in regards to the gaming so the the gaming 941 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,640 of this it is sort of like this this chart is in is is in 942 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,590 arrears if you want to think of it that way. It it's it's 943 00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:51,570 charting things that have already happened. 944 00:59:51,660 --> 00:59:55,710 Adam Curry: How does Eric pee pee already find the URL? I was 945 00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:59,130 going to do this as a whole like is so a solo celebration dash 946 00:59:59,130 --> 00:59:59,580 bag 947 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,020 Dave Jones: The ILS go ahead until it's go ahead and, 948 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,800 Adam Curry: and okay, first of all we're going to we're going 949 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,340 to talk about it we're going to talk about publicly. Okay? I've 950 01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:16,770 gambled that one off. There's two, two URLs. One is V for V 951 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,770 music 101. I forgot it for myself. And what was it? 952 01:00:20,279 --> 01:00:21,329 Dave Jones: It's podcast index. 953 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,540 Adam Curry: Top podcast index dot top is the one I like. 954 01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:27,900 There's also V for v top one hundred.com. Both go to the same 955 01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:33,750 place. I personally like podcasts index dot top. For some 956 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:36,330 reason, it just feels funky. You know, it's like, wow, that's 957 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,140 weird. And it's easier to remember podcasts index dot top. 958 01:00:40,650 --> 01:00:43,860 Yeah, this feels like, you know, what you're gonna see now as 959 01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:46,590 people saying, Hey, that's not enough. So you've explained that 960 01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:50,040 while the SATs will be more, we definitely need to put like 961 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,860 doesn't have to be at the top, somewhere at the bottom. Just 962 01:00:52,860 --> 01:00:58,050 explain how it's calculated what you just told me. And then of 963 01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:02,190 course, once we can have those drill downs into, you know, what 964 01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:04,650 podcasts are this sounds like that's a way off, though, 965 01:01:04,650 --> 01:01:07,650 because that's we're nowhere near getting to that. 966 01:01:08,070 --> 01:01:10,620 Dave Jones: I've got, I don't know, it's nowhere near I think 967 01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:15,930 it's I think that part goes pretty quick. The hard part is 968 01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:21,060 the initial design of how to aggregate everything so that 969 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,910 it's accurate, right. And I'm almost finished. I'm sort of 970 01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:30,780 almost finished with that process. I'm feeling better 971 01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:33,570 about what these numbers look like, each time I do a run. 972 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:39,060 Yeah. Because each so so last night, all the last night, all 973 01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:42,870 of a sudden, I'm like, but here's the way this progresses, 974 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:45,960 you know? So you go through, you do a run, you make some change. 975 01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:48,150 You realize there's some problems, you make some changes, 976 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,730 fix some bugs. And then you find out that you're like, Oh, that 977 01:01:53,730 --> 01:01:57,450 looks better. But then something else looks worse. And you're 978 01:01:57,450 --> 01:02:03,870 like, Okay, wait, what? I know this. There's no way that cherry 979 01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:06,240 on top only has only has 100 SATs. 980 01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:08,190 Adam Curry: Now, how did that happen? Yeah. And how did that 981 01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:09,300 happen? Yeah. 982 01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:11,520 Dave Jones: So then you go back and you look and you're like, 983 01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:17,550 oh, okay, there's another T O V issue. So like last night, for 984 01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:25,890 instance. I figured out that in at some point, Steven D must 985 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,620 have made a change. And 986 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:34,410 Adam Curry: Steven be making a change his code? No, no, no. 987 01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:40,590 Dave Jones: An ISO for this? 988 01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:48,630 Course. 989 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,750 Adam Curry: Of course, that's what I love about him. Usually 990 01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:54,270 right before no agenda starts. Yeah. 991 01:02:56,820 --> 01:03:05,640 Dave Jones: So So at some point, he made a change. And the the, 992 01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:13,440 what was coming through as the episode guid was actually not a 993 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,450 text field, but it wasn't an array. 994 01:03:15,509 --> 01:03:19,949 Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. So you have to account for both 995 01:03:19,949 --> 01:03:20,459 now? 996 01:03:20,669 --> 01:03:24,179 Dave Jones: Yes. Yes. Enduring and an array. All right. Yes, he 997 01:03:24,179 --> 01:03:27,239 thinks did at some point. So I saw it's like, all of a sudden, 998 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,929 so cov start coming through his arrays. And I mean, the goo is 999 01:03:30,959 --> 01:03:33,179 right. And then and then they go back to string. So I'm like, 1000 01:03:33,899 --> 01:03:39,299 okay, workaround. And then, and then all of a sudden, magically, 1001 01:03:39,449 --> 01:03:43,649 I do another run. And every everything shifts around and 1002 01:03:43,649 --> 01:03:44,489 things look better. 1003 01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:47,700 Adam Curry: I just want to mention Ice Cube soup in the 1004 01:03:47,700 --> 01:03:54,090 chat. I liked this. We call this a velocity chart. I liked it the 1005 01:03:54,090 --> 01:03:59,130 velocity, the velocity of money, it was the obits velocity. I 1006 01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:02,370 mean, it's literally velocity of an algorithm that you know, to 1007 01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:06,810 be understood, but it's not most money or any its velocity. I 1008 01:04:06,810 --> 01:04:10,440 like velocity just as a term. I mean, it's great marketing, and 1009 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,470 who cares what it means velocity. This is a velocity 1010 01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:15,120 chart. I like 1011 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,250 Dave Jones: it. Yeah, little graph, a little graph. 1012 01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:20,790 Adam Curry: At the top, it works nicely with my velocipede that 1013 01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:21,960 I'm about to ride on 1014 01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:28,590 Dave Jones: this. So that every time you do a run, which again, 1015 01:04:28,590 --> 01:04:30,630 you know, it takes like half an hour every time so you have to 1016 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:35,520 wait a little while and to go get lots of snacks between runs 1017 01:04:35,820 --> 01:04:40,050 into the each time it gets something gets better. As I'm 1018 01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:43,050 almost at the end of that process. I feel like where 1019 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,070 things are beginning to consistently be feel correct. 1020 01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:49,920 Adam Curry: And this is the first time I've seen the chart 1021 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,290 because we've been looking at it for about a week or so we can 1022 01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:57,390 have that it really feels right. Yeah, I don't know about the 1023 01:04:57,390 --> 01:05:01,740 numbers but just the ranking the diversity The the velocity VM 1024 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:04,380 that I would expect when something catches fire that it's 1025 01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:06,930 going to start moving up our chart not because of the number 1026 01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:10,650 of sides, but the velocity. And of course, that's has to go 1027 01:05:10,650 --> 01:05:13,260 along with that this, by the way, thank you, sir TJ the 1028 01:05:13,260 --> 01:05:17,880 wrathful 33,333, that he's part of the door falls, etc. Thank 1029 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,250 you for your hard work. Dave. Adam, everyone involved big 1030 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:23,220 discussion today. Lots of think about exciting stuff. And most 1031 01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:26,400 importantly, God bless you both. Thank you. God bless everybody. 1032 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,600 God bless Steven B. We joke about him, but we love him. We 1033 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,520 love him. We love him. He Is he single handedly created pretty 1034 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,220 much all the software that's make this possible at this 1035 01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:38,640 point. 1036 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:44,970 Dave Jones: For sure. Yeah. So going back for a second. Go back 1037 01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:52,080 for a second real quick. And in the this thing is charting stuff 1038 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:59,940 that's already happened, right? It's not you don't get how can I 1039 01:05:59,940 --> 01:06:06,810 say this? You don't get more money? Or more SATs for having a 1040 01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:10,350 shitty song. That's number one. No, no, because nobody's going 1041 01:06:10,350 --> 01:06:13,080 to nobody's going to listen to that and pay you for that. 1042 01:06:13,110 --> 01:06:15,360 Adam Curry: Right? So certainly not send you a message. 1043 01:06:16,530 --> 01:06:20,250 Dave Jones: Right, exactly. Hey, really crap. Keep it up. And 1044 01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,010 this, that's a good point. This is actually, so this chart is 1045 01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:25,950 catching boosts and streams both. It's not just good. Good, 1046 01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:31,110 good. Good. So you've already by the time you're on this chart, 1047 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:36,000 people have already played your song and enjoyed it. Right and 1048 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:41,610 paid you for it. Right. So that that's so the gamification while 1049 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:46,680 yes, it is it is possible to go to it is very possible to gamify 1050 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,070 the crap out of this and move yourself up the chart. I mean, 1051 01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,640 ultimately, it's not going to base but like you said, you 1052 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,280 don't get any you don't get money for being on the chart. 1053 01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:56,490 Right? 1054 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:59,910 Adam Curry: You don't Yeah, exactly. It's historical. It's, 1055 01:06:59,940 --> 01:07:04,050 it's almost like when you look at a chart, a stock trading 1056 01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:06,450 chart, just because what you see happen in the past doesn't mean 1057 01:07:06,450 --> 01:07:09,300 it's going to work the same way. The next time you click Buy. 1058 01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:13,230 Yeah, in fact, that rarely does the opposite. 1059 01:07:13,980 --> 01:07:17,910 Dave Jones: Yeah. And so that that's that's one thing to just 1060 01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:22,710 one thing to keep in mind. The other thing is like some pod, 1061 01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:27,570 this is some podcast apps, like pod fans. Sam, if your list I 1062 01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:32,850 sent Sam a message the other day, about about about this. So 1063 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:37,170 the the some some podcast apps are not sending enough 1064 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,560 information, just base information to them. Right. So 1065 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,830 one thing we need, like, pod fans was only sending the 1066 01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,780 podcast title or not, that wasn't so it wasn't sending the 1067 01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:51,960 feed GUID, or the beat ID or it wasn't some basically sending 1068 01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:54,690 anything else that I could have been can't just go on title. 1069 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,270 Adam Curry: A bunch of Indian developers What do you want them 1070 01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:57,360 to? 1071 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,100 Dave Jones: Know? No, Mustafa is Egyptian always Egyptian. 1072 01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:07,560 Adam Curry: Same thing. Brown people come on. 1073 01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:13,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, so he goes, so I sent him that thing. And he's 1074 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,350 like, Yeah, you know, we'll, we'll jump on this. So cool. 1075 01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:19,770 Like that's, if you're an app developer, send in the TVs make 1076 01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:26,130 sure that you're at least sending a base level Yeah, of, 1077 01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:30,240 of identifiable information. Even if you're not to the point 1078 01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,520 where you're ready to send the remote feed, good remote item 1079 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,270 good yet, at least, at least for the show. Like if you're playing 1080 01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:40,920 booster game booster Grand Ball, at least send that feed good or 1081 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,690 feed ID with it. So that I can then have the information there 1082 01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:51,750 to do the reverse to do to go do the XML parsing part. God 1083 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:55,080 because things are getting missed. Oh, yeah. These numbers 1084 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,190 should be a lot 1085 01:08:56,189 --> 01:08:58,199 Adam Curry: higher. And it's yeah, they should be and it's 1086 01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:02,909 important because we want people to know what app was being used. 1087 01:09:03,059 --> 01:09:05,939 I think this is a great statistic. You know, what what 1088 01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:10,799 apps are are important in this game, quote unquote game, what 1089 01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:14,129 podcast what episodes and this is all this as much as much as 1090 01:09:14,129 --> 01:09:18,209 we can get. That's where we create an incredible discovery 1091 01:09:18,209 --> 01:09:22,319 mechanism. Which is just it's so meta when you think about it 1092 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,439 because you got DJs discovering so and I mean, this is where I'm 1093 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,769 going I'm going to this chart like hey, you know, what is what 1094 01:09:28,769 --> 01:09:31,289 is this song? I haven't seen the song doesn't hit my radar. 1095 01:09:31,379 --> 01:09:33,629 Someone played it, who played it, I want to see who played it. 1096 01:09:33,629 --> 01:09:34,499 What else would they play? 1097 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,080 Dave Jones: Now that's an interesting thing about this 1098 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,780 chart is if you start to scroll towards the bottom, there's a 1099 01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:43,470 lot of music on here that I have not aware of. Exactly. I didn't 1100 01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:47,970 even know it existed, like long way by hurling pixels I think 1101 01:09:47,970 --> 01:09:50,940 that may have been featured on Michael Newman show 1102 01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:53,250 Adam Curry: Yes, I haven't played it I know of it. But I 1103 01:09:53,250 --> 01:09:56,910 really only know it from the chart. No, he was better by 1104 01:09:56,910 --> 01:10:00,390 Friday fresh know that no did not know that one day not know 1105 01:10:00,390 --> 01:10:05,910 that okay, great name pretty fresh. Now this updates well 1106 01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:08,550 right now it's updating whenever you do a run, obviously but what 1107 01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:12,690 is the planned update once a week once a day? What does it 1108 01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:16,410 mean every night every night midnight sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy. 1109 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,710 Sexy, sexy. 1110 01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:24,750 Dave Jones: I've been called. Yes, I can understand. Sirens 1111 01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:29,880 call but just gente no, no yeah, there's no there's Robert Downey 1112 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,910 but man like quick. Yeah, this I know this one. I know. Okay. All 1113 01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:36,510 right. There's so and there's a bunch of stuff on here that 1114 01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:36,840 Yeah, 1115 01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,150 Adam Curry: and it's coming from all kinds of places. This is 1116 01:10:39,150 --> 01:10:41,430 what's beautiful is not just from wave lake. It's from self 1117 01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:45,660 hosting. Stuff that people are doing literally themselves or 1118 01:10:45,660 --> 01:10:50,580 doing it through music side. project.com I love it. Shall we 1119 01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:54,300 till we take I have some thoughts about tools, which I 1120 01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,570 think is important. Next conversation to have. Shall we 1121 01:10:57,570 --> 01:10:59,670 play a little song just to take a break take a breather? 1122 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,820 Dave Jones: Oh, I would love to they would love to play a song 1123 01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:05,160 for this beautiful piece of technology. Yes 1124 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,730 Adam Curry: technology. And I'm going to since I spoke to him 1125 01:11:08,730 --> 01:11:11,280 last night and I want to give them a good experience. I want 1126 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,200 to play a song by Jeff Smith. He uploaded an entire album and I 1127 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,840 listened to this album I said Jeff I've never heard they said 1128 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:22,680 oh yeah, it's from 2009 2009 It sounds like it's from yesterday. 1129 01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:26,340 Again Jeff Smith the Jeff Smith sir Jeff Smith just gets up in 1130 01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:30,990 the morning puts on one pant leg and he and he writes hits and 1131 01:11:30,990 --> 01:11:33,960 they're short and poppy which I liked. Here's gravity sir Jeff 1132 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:34,350 Smith 1133 01:11:35,010 --> 01:11:38,520 Unknown: been sitting here thinking that gravity around the 1134 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,360 universe reaching out and grabbing it's like gab or things 1135 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:50,640 pulling me back you been wondering if it's on reality or 1136 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,810 if somebody there was glad it means it's like everything's 1137 01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:56,610 cool in the backseat you 1138 01:12:06,690 --> 01:12:13,290 know, Campbell believe because it's true I've been staring at 1139 01:12:13,290 --> 01:12:18,480 the night sky wondering what's really keeping me under it. It's 1140 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,480 like everything's calling me back to you 1141 01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:44,340 don't need to see a test got to believe in you know, I know that 1142 01:12:44,370 --> 01:12:57,300 you can believe it. Because it's just close my eyes and see scan 1143 01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:08,370 is everywhere think about gravity reaching out and 1144 01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:18,330 grabbing me and pulling me back so you can add gravity 1145 01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:38,970 Adam Curry: you sir Jeff Smith, gravity gravity gray is 1146 01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:43,020 Unknown: a beautiful piece of technology. Jay. 1147 01:13:45,420 --> 01:13:51,330 Dave Jones: So here's so here's the issue. That song, got lots 1148 01:13:51,330 --> 01:13:56,430 of stats, I'm sure. Yeah. But now after the fact is going to 1149 01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:00,120 be very difficult to attribute it because the connection 1150 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:08,340 between the GUID the connection between what's happening now and 1151 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,520 what gets published later where I have which is what I have to 1152 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,920 do the attribution on right that is going to be broken. 1153 01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:17,130 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Feel bad enough. You're bad now that I 1154 01:14:17,130 --> 01:14:18,270 played it feel bad. 1155 01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:23,700 Dave Jones: Damn use the this here's what would fix it 1156 01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:30,180 temporarily in the remote. The remote feed. If you're not ready 1157 01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,170 to do remote feed, good remote item good. If that's not yet 1158 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:41,100 work it put the live item guid in there. Because then at least 1159 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:45,930 I have the item still in the live items stay in the database 1160 01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:49,140 for a long time. I can at least then go back and reverse 1161 01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:49,770 engineer it 1162 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,470 Adam Curry: right. Here's the good news that this live item 1163 01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:58,050 will stay in the podcast and 2.0 feed for a week. So you can go 1164 01:14:58,050 --> 01:15:01,290 back and and it's invalid Time splits in there. So hopefully 1165 01:15:01,290 --> 01:15:03,510 that'll help. So 1166 01:15:05,549 --> 01:15:07,799 Dave Jones: with the live items, not the Vitas was not in the 1167 01:15:07,799 --> 01:15:09,449 live item itself, though, right? 1168 01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:18,270 Adam Curry: No, but what is in the hold on what I do have you 1169 01:15:18,330 --> 01:15:29,460 there is Hold on a second. I have the what's the word I'm 1170 01:15:29,460 --> 01:15:34,590 looking for? I have the live value link is in there. And you 1171 01:15:34,590 --> 01:15:36,450 can get it from the live value link. 1172 01:15:37,860 --> 01:15:40,410 Dave Jones: Yes, in real time, though. But I don't think you 1173 01:15:40,410 --> 01:15:43,710 can get back and get it after the fact. That's like where 1174 01:15:43,710 --> 01:15:45,900 there's a real web. That's like a real time web socket. 1175 01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:48,420 Adam Curry: But it publishes into the feed, doesn't it? 1176 01:15:50,850 --> 01:15:52,770 Dave Jones: What comes out of the socket? Yeah, 1177 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,850 Adam Curry: I have. I have the live value link. And that that I 1178 01:15:56,850 --> 01:15:59,400 think that's put into when we take a look. I mean, take a 1179 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,780 look. Where's Steven? Steven B's got a real job. Apparently, he's 1180 01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:05,010 doing something like work. 1181 01:16:05,490 --> 01:16:07,320 Dave Jones: Occasionally he has to feed his family Boring, 1182 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:13,710 Adam Curry: boring. Let me see. Where's where's the 2.0? Come? I 1183 01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:18,060 don't have this feed. Yeah. I don't have the hours. It was 1184 01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:19,470 weird. Can you take a look in the feed? 1185 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,860 Dave Jones: Yeah, it is. Yeah, there's, yeah, there's there's 1186 01:16:22,860 --> 01:16:25,680 value block in there. But there's no time splits. 1187 01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:28,800 Adam Curry: But there's no live value link in that. 1188 01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:32,040 Dave Jones: There is but I'm just I'm saying that that can't 1189 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:38,160 after the fact that only is that only helps you during the live 1190 01:16:38,190 --> 01:16:41,940 event itself after the fact your kid doesn't get anything useful 1191 01:16:41,940 --> 01:16:42,330 out of it? 1192 01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:45,420 Adam Curry: Oh, I see what you're saying. 1193 01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:47,400 Dave Jones: You can't query it for old data. 1194 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:52,470 Adam Curry: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think if you 1195 01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:55,590 look at well, how about this? How about if I give you the 1196 01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,610 because it's I think it's the same? Yes, it is. If you it's 1197 01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:06,120 the same hash. As I'm going to send this to you as the split 1198 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,840 kit, Link. I'm just talking gobbledygook here, check this 1199 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,040 check the signal. So you see this, it says split 1200 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:19,440 kit.com/live. And it has a hash that ends in DC. So that's the 1201 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:24,330 same as the as the web hook thing. And that will have that 1202 01:17:24,330 --> 01:17:26,310 information in there. I think, well that not have that 1203 01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:31,290 information. I'm just full of crap. No, no. It was no good. 1204 01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:34,080 It's no good. It's no good. Okay, I understand the problem. 1205 01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,730 Yeah, the good news is Dred Scott boosted 123,456. And he 1206 01:17:38,730 --> 01:17:43,230 put Jeff Smith in his message. So if you just do a GREP on 1207 01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:43,830 gravity, 1208 01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:47,610 Dave Jones: yes. Grip all the song names, you have to put the 1209 01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:50,070 song title in your email. 1210 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,890 Adam Curry: But at least I understand the problem, I get 1211 01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:54,570 the problem. Alright, so 1212 01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,690 Dave Jones: the best way to fix this is put the remote feed 1213 01:17:57,690 --> 01:18:02,010 good, out of good in the in the TLV. That way, there's no 1214 01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:03,720 ambiguity. It's all it all just works 1215 01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:06,270 Adam Curry: cool. It's all running with scissors. People 1216 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:10,590 all have it. Now, I want to, I'm going to do something here that 1217 01:18:10,590 --> 01:18:13,440 I'm suggesting. Well, I'm not even asking for approval, I'm 1218 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:19,770 doing it. Because this is, I mean, for artists is one thing 1219 01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:23,640 we have done, we've always had this wonderful separation 1220 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,230 between podcast hosts and podcast apps. And it's very 1221 01:18:28,230 --> 01:18:31,590 interesting, because you know, sometimes I hear podcast app 1222 01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:34,500 developer saying I should just be a podcast host. And then I've 1223 01:18:34,500 --> 01:18:37,260 got it all together, you know, like Spotify with anchor makes 1224 01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:41,310 so much sense. And then I just heard on the pod news weekly 1225 01:18:41,310 --> 01:18:46,350 review a suggestion that the podcast standards group, which 1226 01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:49,980 apparently still lives, that, well, they should do a reference 1227 01:18:49,980 --> 01:18:52,410 app, you know, where they were, they all get together and do an 1228 01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:56,910 app like Oh, man. So which I think neither is a really good 1229 01:18:56,910 --> 01:19:00,000 idea personally, but we do have this lag between what the apps 1230 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,260 develop, and what the hosting companies make available. And 1231 01:19:04,260 --> 01:19:09,420 this is a really big one. Because if you look at how the 1232 01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:12,420 split kit operates, which is really the magic in this, that's 1233 01:19:12,420 --> 01:19:15,600 the only thing that's making this work, because this split 1234 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,380 kid queries, all of the songs all the music that's available. 1235 01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:22,470 So you just you go in there and say, Okay, I want to play this 1236 01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:25,590 song in my show, whether I'm doing it live like literally on 1237 01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:28,560 the fly, because I know what's in there, I went in and got Jeff 1238 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,570 Smith in the morning song and I added into the split kit. So 1239 01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:37,560 when this publishes as a podcast, that you know, the 1240 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,860 three or like the minute and a half that I played will actually 1241 01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:44,490 switch to Jeff Smith wallet. Nice. And I could do that it's 1242 01:19:44,490 --> 01:19:47,610 good enough this tool that I can do it on the fly, but it's very 1243 01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:52,290 easy to schedule your your show and to hit you know, hit each 1244 01:19:52,290 --> 01:19:55,740 individual song so it adds that and then when you're ready to 1245 01:19:55,740 --> 01:19:58,830 publish. If you do it with sovereign feeds, it actually 1246 01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:02,490 imports it all man logically, it's all it's all very good. The 1247 01:20:02,490 --> 01:20:07,410 problem is, this has a lot to do for a hosting company. Either 1248 01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:10,320 they're going to have to integrate with split kit, and 1249 01:20:10,350 --> 01:20:15,630 you know, and use an API, you know, will that always work? Who 1250 01:20:15,630 --> 01:20:18,600 knows, you know, when something goes wrong with a hosting 1251 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,470 company, that's when all hell breaks loose, because then you 1252 01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:26,880 have to have expensive people talking to people. And it's all 1253 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:32,580 about customer service. So I would like to help deconstruct a 1254 01:20:32,610 --> 01:20:38,400 hosting solution for podcasters. And we're early enough in the 1255 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:44,100 game, and that would hopefully act as one a solution to 1256 01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:48,840 something that hosting companies can look at and, you know, draw 1257 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,320 their conclusions from. And they will also, of course, you know, 1258 01:20:52,350 --> 01:20:57,300 fulfill the dream of 10s of 1000s of value for value music 1259 01:20:57,300 --> 01:21:05,250 podcasts. So IPFS, podcasting, IPFS podcasting dotnet works, it 1260 01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:10,680 works. It works on two levels. One, technically, it just works. 1261 01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:15,060 I've had zero problems with with booster gram ball, which I 1262 01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:19,170 started from the get go. And it also has a payment system in 1263 01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:23,040 there. So everybody who's participating in hosting, gets a 1264 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,520 little piece feels good. I have no idea if it's going to even 1265 01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,150 out if it's going to be even out the cost of hosting an IPF and 1266 01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:32,490 an S Note, I don't know doesn't matter. But at least you don't 1267 01:21:32,490 --> 01:21:34,590 feel like you're just being leached off of 1268 01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:38,370 Dave Jones: the hosting about roughly four gigs right now. 1269 01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:43,379 Adam Curry: Brian, Brian shows you. There's a real problem. And 1270 01:21:44,069 --> 01:21:47,399 James Cridland pointed it out. And I immediately went into 1271 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:51,569 action on this. The problem is the way it is set up because 1272 01:21:51,569 --> 01:21:55,649 none of the podcast apps actually speak IPFS natively. 1273 01:21:55,859 --> 01:22:01,469 It's all going through one gateway ipfs.io, which is IPFS 1274 01:22:01,469 --> 01:22:06,839 labs. And honestly, almost every IPFS solution in the universe 1275 01:22:07,019 --> 01:22:11,189 goes through that gateway. Which means that yes, while you're 1276 01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:16,589 hosting, you know, you're hosting gigs and gigs, your 1277 01:22:16,589 --> 01:22:20,759 bandwidth is not actually being used. If the IPFS labs bandwidth 1278 01:22:20,759 --> 01:22:25,499 is being used, which is part of the problem, and they can shut 1279 01:22:25,499 --> 01:22:30,059 it off. They can say, hey, this is a violation, or we don't like 1280 01:22:30,059 --> 01:22:35,699 music, or we're worried or whatever. So I have tasked Mark 1281 01:22:35,699 --> 01:22:40,379 void zero, to set up an IPFS gateway on each one of the 1282 01:22:40,469 --> 01:22:48,179 server infrastructure that I own to create gateways, and I and 1283 01:22:48,179 --> 01:22:52,439 he's going to be working with Cameron. And I want to create an 1284 01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:57,659 IPFS gateway for value for value podcasts. Now with that means 1285 01:22:57,689 --> 01:23:01,469 that those gateways have to. So there's, I think it's 1286 01:23:01,499 --> 01:23:07,139 recommended 5%, whatever it is, 1% has to go to the gateway. So 1287 01:23:07,169 --> 01:23:09,869 we can't be getting a little piece of it, because it's just 1288 01:23:09,899 --> 01:23:14,009 is too much value that's being provided. And that 1% is 1289 01:23:14,009 --> 01:23:17,219 supposed to eventually by mark a new desktop, because he needs 1290 01:23:17,219 --> 01:23:22,079 new desktops. That's, that's my idea there. That's going to Yes, 1291 01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:26,669 we have enough bandwidth. So that's not really a problem. In 1292 01:23:26,669 --> 01:23:29,939 fact, it is usually the storage, that becomes a problem after a 1293 01:23:29,939 --> 01:23:37,019 while. Yes, so I would love to see sovereign feeds, split kit, 1294 01:23:37,409 --> 01:23:41,879 cast a pod, all of these different solutions all 1295 01:23:42,059 --> 01:23:46,409 integrate with this IPFS, which is within our own scissor 1296 01:23:46,409 --> 01:23:50,939 community, so that it will work out of the box. And you don't 1297 01:23:50,939 --> 01:23:55,829 have to worry about a hosting company. If you want to go down 1298 01:23:55,829 --> 01:24:00,239 this route, and play in the sandbox. There's no guarantees, 1299 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:04,529 there's no helpdesk now, but you can at least say I want to 1300 01:24:04,529 --> 01:24:09,329 create a value for value music show, boom, I've got this, I can 1301 01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:12,449 immediately do it with sovereign feeds, split kids integrates, 1302 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,209 and it all kind of works. And it automatically gets added to the 1303 01:24:15,209 --> 01:24:16,769 index. And you're good to go. 1304 01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:20,730 Dave Jones: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Object storage is 1305 01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:23,880 cheap block storage, which is what this is, is not Yeah, 1306 01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:27,840 exactly. On a VM, you know, block storage on a cloud cloud 1307 01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,080 providers just in their virtual machines. Those are expensive. 1308 01:24:31,950 --> 01:24:36,210 So that's the you're gonna have to have you're gonna have to 1309 01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:40,590 have people willing to, you know, spend spend a little bit 1310 01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:44,340 of money each month in order in for that you have to be able to 1311 01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:46,350 get some of that back, you know, 1312 01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:49,320 Adam Curry: yeah. So that we all we already have working 1313 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,660 perfectly well is is the storage part. And I love it. I see them 1314 01:24:54,660 --> 01:24:57,570 coming in all the time. I get you know, 20 SATs, 50 SATs, 1315 01:24:57,570 --> 01:25:00,420 whatever it is. Feels really good. It's like okay, I got my 1316 01:25:00,420 --> 01:25:04,080 Node running, I have no idea what the actual cost is, to me 1317 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,650 but feels good. The problem is it was just very weak with the 1318 01:25:07,650 --> 01:25:12,240 gateway. So and this and the, the infrastructure that we have 1319 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,960 can handle a lot. In fact, I'd say half of the no agenda stream 1320 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,250 podcasts are already hosted on and I have no idea. So there's 1321 01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:24,180 plenty of plenty of room. And you know, he has it all set up. 1322 01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:29,820 So there's no additional cost to, to the bandwidth for us to 1323 01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:37,890 do this. But I transcribe FM I want that in there to tie it all 1324 01:25:37,890 --> 01:25:43,020 together, use your elf 402 SATs, thing, everything, we need a 1325 01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:47,160 place where it ties together to the people like Alberto and the 1326 01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:51,450 RSS, blue guys, and so they can see how it all comes together. 1327 01:25:51,450 --> 01:25:54,030 And that there I think there's an actual model in there, we're 1328 01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:58,710 just gonna do 1% Just to make it visible. I think there's a real 1329 01:25:58,710 --> 01:26:00,600 model in there for the hosting companies. 1330 01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:05,730 Dave Jones: Oh, so I haven't really checked my Hello, Pat, 1331 01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:10,440 since I started hosting IPFS and RayRay here on top five sets. 1332 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,170 Thank you from pod News Daily for hosting Patreon. It's 1333 01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:16,680 Patreon exclusive content now in Spotify via IPFS. Podcasting 1334 01:26:16,710 --> 01:26:18,480 Adam Curry: you go? Cool. 1335 01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:20,790 Dave Jones: That's the first I haven't I just haven't been 1336 01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:24,480 back. I haven't seen it work. But I'm evidently getting set. 1337 01:26:25,230 --> 01:26:27,360 Adam Curry: Alex Kane says I want to see the source code. I 1338 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,520 don't know what he's talking about. But the 1339 01:26:30,660 --> 01:26:31,470 Dave Jones: what source? Are you? 1340 01:26:31,740 --> 01:26:33,780 Adam Curry: I don't know what source he's looking for. He 1341 01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:33,990 doesn't 1342 01:26:35,130 --> 01:26:39,060 Dave Jones: wish I can show you the source code for the chat to 1343 01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:43,290 me for the charting script, so that everybody can have a good 1344 01:26:43,290 --> 01:26:43,980 belly laugh. 1345 01:26:44,010 --> 01:26:45,900 Adam Curry: What can you or is it just too embarrassing? 1346 01:26:45,930 --> 01:26:49,380 Dave Jones: I don't have it. No, I don't care about that. Man. 1347 01:26:49,380 --> 01:26:52,020 I've been putting code public for so long. I don't think I'm 1348 01:26:52,020 --> 01:26:55,110 immune to that now. I guess I'll have it on this machine. I don't 1349 01:26:55,110 --> 01:27:00,420 have access to but now I think I think that makes sense. I think 1350 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:03,690 that makes sense. I'm trying to think of any machines that I may 1351 01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:07,530 have that I may be able to contribute. You know, well, the 1352 01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:08,520 gateway. 1353 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,510 Adam Curry: Don't worry about it. This this is this is a good 1354 01:27:12,510 --> 01:27:16,860 gateway. There's three or four machines that will run it. So 1355 01:27:16,890 --> 01:27:20,310 you know, and it's not trivial, by the way. Turns out a gateway 1356 01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:22,110 is not entirely trivial. trivial. 1357 01:27:23,550 --> 01:27:25,680 Dave Jones: That may be that may be what Alex is talking about 1358 01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,740 the gateway source code. I'm wondering what what Cody is 1359 01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:30,930 using? Is there an open source game? Yeah. Oh, yeah. 1360 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,870 Adam Curry: Now there's a GitHub and everything. But it's just 1361 01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:37,560 not trivial. Because you have to use we will have to use certain 1362 01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,760 hashes I think or hashtags or something so that people don't 1363 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,220 abuse our gateway because we don't want it to be used for any 1364 01:27:44,250 --> 01:27:47,040 we just want it to be used for this. Nothing but podcasts. 1365 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,680 Yeah. Not for people backing up their, you know, their drives or 1366 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:50,250 whatever. 1367 01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:53,820 Dave Jones: Porn and movie election. Yeah. 1368 01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:56,310 Adam Curry: So and, and, you know, and also for value for 1369 01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:58,530 value podcast in general. I mean, work, it will work for 1370 01:27:58,530 --> 01:28:03,060 that as well. But I just love to see. We're going to try and 1371 01:28:03,090 --> 01:28:07,710 tighten that gap a little bit between. Okay, I just use 1372 01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:10,860 sovereign feeds or cast up. It's always the problem has always 1373 01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:14,250 been the hosting part. Yeah, that's all it's always the 1374 01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:16,770 problem. And I don't want to be a host right. Because again, I 1375 01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:22,110 know when it breaks the deal with this is broken. Sorry. Hang 1376 01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:25,740 in there. Standby. hosting company is a hand holding 1377 01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:29,850 company. Yeah. Yes, an education company. It's something very 1378 01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:32,910 different from what I'm proposing here. But I also want 1379 01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:37,230 to use it to show the model that this can work. They really can't 1380 01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:38,190 I know it, can. 1381 01:28:41,730 --> 01:28:44,940 Dave Jones: We, you've got a heart out at 230. And we can't I 1382 01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:48,630 mean, we've got I'm not even I'm not even a fifth of the way 1383 01:28:48,630 --> 01:28:49,860 through my notes. So 1384 01:28:49,950 --> 01:28:51,450 Adam Curry: what else do you have? What else gonna have to 1385 01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:53,580 pull it? What else do you have on your list? 1386 01:28:54,030 --> 01:28:56,070 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, got talked about the right radio 1387 01:28:56,070 --> 01:29:02,250 medium proposals. Found supporting both 11 I was gonna 1388 01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:09,570 get the wrong police stats page. Nos. noster. Labels. Proposal. 1389 01:29:09,660 --> 01:29:12,120 Adam Curry: Oh, my God, I've hogged everything. 1390 01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:15,900 Dave Jones: I'm just saying I think we I think we're gonna 1391 01:29:15,900 --> 01:29:18,930 have to punt to next week for the rest of this because we we 1392 01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:19,740 still got to thank people. Why 1393 01:29:19,740 --> 01:29:21,900 Adam Curry: don't you want to pick one of those and something 1394 01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:23,700 something one of those we can talk about, 1395 01:29:24,060 --> 01:29:26,100 Dave Jones: but we get a bunch of boosts and stuff. 1396 01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:29,190 Adam Curry: But I know that we may have we may have to punt on 1397 01:29:29,190 --> 01:29:30,870 doing a whole list of boost. 1398 01:29:31,140 --> 01:29:34,890 Dave Jones: Me like to get like three weeks worth of worth a 1399 01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:40,410 donation stuff to do. And then the other thing was that there's 1400 01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:43,710 very interesting discussion on that from Marco in them on the 1401 01:29:43,710 --> 01:29:47,070 accidental tech podcast about their ad stuff. I've got a whole 1402 01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:50,760 bunch of stuff I wrote down about the mean, we we can 1403 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,030 definitely talk about that next week. But the I guess the radio 1404 01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:57,330 proposal, and radio medium proposal makes sense to talk 1405 01:29:57,330 --> 01:30:05,010 about right now time distance is in context. Sure. The because 1406 01:30:06,150 --> 01:30:09,180 because it kind of fits with the live thing. So if you have a 1407 01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:17,490 live only show, like 100% Retro it makes sense to have a medium 1408 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,370 specifically for that because that is a unique, it's a unique 1409 01:30:20,370 --> 01:30:25,140 type of thing is a unique con unique type of content. But I 1410 01:30:25,140 --> 01:30:29,370 guess it makes sense in context to talk about here because we 1411 01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:35,820 need a way to record boost for that. You know, cuz we have, 1412 01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:38,310 we're gonna have a few things we're gonna be charted. You're 1413 01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:41,430 gonna have a live show this live, but like, I mean, we could 1414 01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:44,190 have a live stream a radio show, because that's what I'm 1415 01:30:44,190 --> 01:30:47,580 thinking. I mean, the booster booster grand ball really is a 1416 01:30:49,020 --> 01:30:52,050 it's a radio, it's podcast, but it's also a radio show. 1417 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,760 Adam Curry: Wow. Okay, so let's define this because I know what 1418 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,980 I'm thinking radio means is radio stations who want to 1419 01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:07,260 incorporate this into they want to incorporate value for value 1420 01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:14,400 into their revenue model. To me, the way I read the proposal, and 1421 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,660 the way I've heard Sam Sethi talk about it and and this is 1422 01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:22,650 Alex gates proposed proposed it right? Yes, I'm, I'm just 1423 01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:27,900 thinking that he is looking at 100%. Retro. And here's the 1424 01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:33,900 problem. And this is a problem. In general, we're going to 1425 01:31:33,930 --> 01:31:36,360 there's going to be pain with all this, I'm going to say when 1426 01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:41,730 our pain is coming, this pain is coming and the pain while I'm 1427 01:31:41,730 --> 01:31:46,260 laughing. And the pain is going to come from the music industry, 1428 01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:48,840 they are not going to take this lightly, they are going to see 1429 01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,080 what we're doing as an attack. And they're going to hate us 1430 01:31:52,110 --> 01:31:55,770 they Yeah, because they're going to see money, money flowing once 1431 01:31:55,770 --> 01:32:00,030 they figure it out. And and I've already seen covers on wave 1432 01:32:00,030 --> 01:32:05,370 Lake, and I'm going to send my my prayers to wave lake that 1433 01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:10,140 they understand that covers, it's a non starter. It's not 1434 01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:14,550 maybe or if he is a non starter, anything that is licensed that 1435 01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:18,240 is owned by a label, a publishing company that is 1436 01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:24,000 licensed through ASCAP BMI, which, and now I'm willing to go 1437 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,540 to bat for that, because I think that what I do with Bookstagram 1438 01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:33,030 ball, I'm not doing a performance. It is a physical, a 1439 01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:38,400 physical copy of a song that I'm making. And so that comes down 1440 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,510 to who owns the master. And in this case, I'm just going to 1441 01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:45,510 presume that all the all the songs I play are owned by the 1442 01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:49,200 people who are putting them up on wave Lake. But if you all of 1443 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,190 a sudden have a radio stream, and this pain will come to 100% 1444 01:32:53,190 --> 01:32:58,680 Retro to if you're if you're receiving boosts, then you're 1445 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,400 going to have to pay someone a piece of that on the back end 1446 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:07,530 because they're going to come for it. So the idea of putting 1447 01:33:07,530 --> 01:33:15,000 radio in there. So the way radio works is you you don't pay the 1448 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,540 publisher you don't pay the owner of the master you play you 1449 01:33:18,540 --> 01:33:23,490 pay ASCAP BMI so and it's typically a blanket license, so 1450 01:33:23,490 --> 01:33:26,760 they're going to say, Oh, you have this extra income? Fine, I 1451 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,390 need a piece of that. That's that's how they're going to view 1452 01:33:30,390 --> 01:33:39,270 it. So for me, it's really live stream it's live only. And it's 1453 01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:44,130 not the same as a podcast that does the podcast live and then 1454 01:33:44,130 --> 01:33:48,060 publishes as a podcast. Because these radios these radio streams 1455 01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:52,500 I think are typically not published as a podcast later. 1456 01:33:53,460 --> 01:33:54,900 Okay, does that make sense? 1457 01:33:54,900 --> 01:33:58,890 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I see that so the radio medium is 1458 01:33:58,890 --> 01:34:04,740 really a medium this says this says you can what what to expect 1459 01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:08,850 from this feed is nothing but a single live item Yes. You're 1460 01:34:08,850 --> 01:34:11,640 never going to have a regular items and this thing is Alex 1461 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,520 Alex leave the chat because I'd love to add a belt here he 1462 01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:21,060 Adam Curry: bet he ragequit after I called him out No no, 1463 01:34:21,060 --> 01:34:23,250 no, I don't think so. Don't quit on me bro. 1464 01:34:23,820 --> 01:34:26,400 Dave Jones: No, I think he I think okay, I think that makes 1465 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,300 more sense to me now. Cuz I was thinking it first that it was 1466 01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:37,380 like a it was meant to define a show a podcast that was going to 1467 01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:41,970 be referencing other podcasts as its primary function. But now 1468 01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:44,910 it's like well that's it yeah, that's too far. That's too fuzzy 1469 01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:47,220 though. I mean, you you could go way down the rabbit hole with 1470 01:34:47,220 --> 01:34:50,220 stuff like that of defining mediums have all sorts of edge 1471 01:34:50,220 --> 01:34:55,740 cases of of things you know, I mean, like it what are you gonna 1472 01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:59,850 have a special book book, book review, review, you know, medium 1473 01:34:59,850 --> 01:35:03,390 time I have ordered he has like, Yeah, that's probably not right. 1474 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,950 Adam Curry: Where's radio stream? Now? There's lots of 1475 01:35:07,950 --> 01:35:11,850 talk radio, there's Finance, Financial radio stations, 1476 01:35:11,850 --> 01:35:15,630 there's all kinds of stuff like that, which I and for me it's an 1477 01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:19,740 app things like, Okay, I'm in an app and or even on I love by the 1478 01:35:19,740 --> 01:35:24,210 way who did created who did the search drop down on the index? 1479 01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:27,180 Yeah, that was Steven Crowder has been beautiful, beautiful. 1480 01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:30,390 That makes so much sense. Like, okay, I want to look for a radio 1481 01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:34,830 stream. And I want to listen to something that's about finance. 1482 01:35:35,190 --> 01:35:39,510 And so I did I searched for it there, you know, or born Atkins 1483 01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:45,600 surface? Like, I think podcast addict. Does that already. That 1484 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,530 put me to take a look, I think it's gonna mean look at my 1485 01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:55,140 collection of apps. I have more people. It's yeah, podcast 1486 01:35:55,140 --> 01:36:01,590 addict has a separate section for radio. And in this case, 1487 01:36:01,620 --> 01:36:07,170 radio stations, now it's actual radio stations. But it would be 1488 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:11,130 something like that for a podcast app to surface. You 1489 01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:15,840 know? live radio streams. make sense to me. 1490 01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:18,660 Dave Jones: Okay, well, let me throw let me throw this twist at 1491 01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:28,440 you. Okay. So, I find it painful. Every week when I see. 1492 01:36:31,050 --> 01:36:35,400 I don't want to see the accidental tech podcast post on 1493 01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:36,420 mastodon. 1494 01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:38,460 Adam Curry: Yeah, we're going live and you can't get it in 1495 01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:42,720 your app. I hear your pain. I share that. Yes. 1496 01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:44,730 Dave Jones: It's like we're going live in 30 minutes. And 1497 01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:46,830 then you'd have another post that says we're live now. I'm 1498 01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:50,160 like, Oh, just put it in the feed? Yeah. Put it in the feed. 1499 01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:58,530 Yeah. So like, what if there was a feed? That and again, I've I 1500 01:36:58,530 --> 01:37:02,490 was tempted to just send a pod ping all out to create a bot, to 1501 01:37:02,490 --> 01:37:05,820 just watch for that signal that watch for that to to come 1502 01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,390 through and send a pod ping on their behalf? Just in a pub 1503 01:37:09,390 --> 01:37:12,690 paying for this? I don't see why it isn't? I could but it 1504 01:37:12,690 --> 01:37:15,660 doesn't. But the apps verify against the RSS feed and 1505 01:37:16,710 --> 01:37:20,340 validate. Right? So here's, here's the, this leads me to a 1506 01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:25,530 question. If there was a separate podcast feed, in this 1507 01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:31,500 instance, called ATP live, that had only it was a radio medium. 1508 01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:36,660 And it had only a live item in it with the next estimated 1509 01:37:36,660 --> 01:37:44,100 scheduled live date. And then there's a bot that updated that 1510 01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,690 with the appropriate data. And then pod paint. It's now it's 1511 01:37:48,690 --> 01:37:52,410 pod pinging itself. You see, it's like a it's like a second 1512 01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:56,040 port. It's like a third party feed referencing this other 1513 01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:59,940 podcast. And it's basically doing it on his behalf. But 1514 01:37:59,940 --> 01:38:04,050 there's only ever it's only meant for live, right? So it's 1515 01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:06,570 going to be that radio medium, right? 1516 01:38:11,730 --> 01:38:14,400 Or does it have to be a 24 hour live stream? 1517 01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,170 Adam Curry: That's when you say radio? That's what that means to 1518 01:38:19,170 --> 01:38:23,790 me. I mean, I don't I don't want to be writing the law here. I 1519 01:38:23,790 --> 01:38:27,990 also don't think that, hey, if ATP doesn't want to use the lip 1520 01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:31,980 protocol, then I don't want to use lip protocol is fine. No, 1521 01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:32,220 no, 1522 01:38:32,220 --> 01:38:34,290 Dave Jones: I'm gonna be sure that I just had that. Now I just 1523 01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:37,620 had that thought in my head, like, would that be something 1524 01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:40,200 that would still be alive thing? Well, I could see where people 1525 01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,540 might want to do that for shows that they enjoy. 1526 01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:46,920 Adam Curry: Let's look at a real world complicated example. Okay, 1527 01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:54,360 no agenda stream. That, to me is a radio stream, a radio feed. 1528 01:38:55,530 --> 01:39:00,750 It's 24/7. It's a mix of live pre recorded stuff. We're using 1529 01:39:00,750 --> 01:39:05,640 it right now. That is that, to me is radio, it's 24 hours a 1530 01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,620 day. Now, the schedule is very loosey goosey. But that's the 1531 01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:14,730 kind of thing that would actually be interesting. And a 1532 01:39:14,730 --> 01:39:18,450 lot of people have looked it nodes in the stream.com is a 1533 01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:23,640 beautiful community project. And it's mainly bemrose who is 1534 01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:29,160 managing it. And and it's very complicated because you know, 1535 01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,760 people have to get MP threes to him or he has to get them. I 1536 01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,850 don't know how much is automated people jump in. I mean, I've cut 1537 01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:38,640 in and accidentally cut someone off. There's all kinds of stuff 1538 01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:43,440 going on. But in combination with POD ping, that would be a 1539 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:49,380 beautiful example of a modern radio feed. So it's not based on 1540 01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:52,500 a schedule because it's very loose like no agenda. Oh, maybe 1541 01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,320 we ended this time. Maybe we ended that time. But the minute 1542 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,520 we end and the next show starts popping, boom. If you're 1543 01:39:59,550 --> 01:40:03,030 subscribed vibe to that medium equals radio, it should tell 1544 01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:06,000 you, hey, a new show was started. And with that, it 1545 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:10,230 should be sucking in value blogs, all kinds of stuff. Not I 1546 01:40:10,230 --> 01:40:13,290 mean, it's it's like organized chaos. Basically, 1547 01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:16,440 Dave Jones: I thought at one point that the no agenda stream 1548 01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:20,910 had a feed and an RSS feed, but I don't see it. And I may be 1549 01:40:20,910 --> 01:40:24,300 kidding. That would be, that would be a way to that would be 1550 01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:25,800 a good sandbox for this, 1551 01:40:26,130 --> 01:40:29,670 Adam Curry: I think would be a fantastic sandbox. Because, 1552 01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:35,490 again, looking forward, I'm not so interested in the guy who 1553 01:40:35,490 --> 01:40:39,780 manages Radio One for the BBC, I'm more interested in bemrose 1554 01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:45,180 who's managing this chaos of God knows whatever sama and I don't 1555 01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:51,690 even know how he finds the time. But the only thing we have right 1556 01:40:51,690 --> 01:40:55,380 now is look when I go live, boom, pod ping, we're live 1557 01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:58,680 people automatically tune in they're switched in but to be 1558 01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,700 able to just have that thing on or go into at any time and the 1559 01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:06,450 hat know exactly what's playing maybe have a what's next even 1560 01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:11,490 though it's not dictated by time and then value blocks changing. 1561 01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:16,050 I mean, that's a modern radio station. To me a modern radio 1562 01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:19,350 station is an aggregate as a community of people who are 1563 01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:24,720 doing feeds doing shows live pre recorded music, the schedule is 1564 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:30,090 impossible. So somehow this this radio medium medium equals radio 1565 01:41:30,270 --> 01:41:34,980 will enable the app to at least give you some semblance of 1566 01:41:34,980 --> 01:41:38,940 what's happening and some way to provide value back etc and to 1567 01:41:38,940 --> 01:41:42,600 have the links to different websites and whatever you know 1568 01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:47,160 what I mean and yeah, integrate in the hosts and the you know, 1569 01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:53,130 the people tag and all of that stuff. Yeah Steven Steven Be 1570 01:41:53,130 --> 01:41:54,720 just joined Great show everybody 1571 01:42:00,180 --> 01:42:03,240 Dave Jones: there's an ISO for the what's for dinner. Yes. Oh 1572 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:13,050 what's for dinner? Yeah. Okay, we seriously gotta thanks for 1573 01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:15,150 people because we were getting low on time. Let me 1574 01:42:15,210 --> 01:42:17,970 Adam Curry: let me thank thank a couple people have been boosting 1575 01:42:17,970 --> 01:42:20,490 live first of all, if you don't mind, we'll do those right up 1576 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:27,810 front. Mr. Robot 7777 V for V for technolo. gy. Eric P. P. 1577 01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:33,480 33,333. Fletcher. You guys are music 2.0 Pioneers with 3333 1578 01:42:33,930 --> 01:42:38,700 We've got blueberry 77 and 77 Damn you gravity always bringing 1579 01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:42,030 me down. Dred Scott 123456 their 1580 01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:46,890 Unknown: shot calm Sakala 20 is Blaze only Impala 1581 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,850 Adam Curry: welcoming sir Jeff Smith to the booster to the 1582 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:56,550 value for value music blueberry with 17,776 we encountered 1583 01:42:56,550 --> 01:43:00,120 unusual scenario I wanted to take our pre shows and enable 1584 01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:04,260 wallet switching technology. Of course. I added these new items 1585 01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:07,170 to our main feed and posted them along with the regular episodes 1586 01:43:07,170 --> 01:43:09,780 and no agenda stream is going to take the most recent item in the 1587 01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:13,770 feed meaning one would get skipped everything is groovy now 1588 01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:17,400 Okay, thanks. Bam dog dude. I have no idea what you're talking 1589 01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:22,680 about Uber Eats like and I love that about blueberry because 1590 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:27,420 there they are running with hedge shears over there as crazy 1591 01:43:27,420 --> 01:43:28,530 Dave Jones: Flowbee is running with 1592 01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:33,870 Adam Curry: Curtis drums 1500 SATs Is there any data involved 1593 01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:37,680 for plays play time simply or do you only see the data of boosts 1594 01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,650 and such well as you heard Curtis drums? We really have 1595 01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:47,160 nothing. So we're well yeah, play time bro. No, no, that's 1596 01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,580 gonna be very that's that's not happening. We'd love to have 1597 01:43:50,580 --> 01:43:51,780 some of that but now that's not 1598 01:43:51,780 --> 01:43:54,150 Dave Jones: deeply invasive into the app and then I'm gonna send 1599 01:43:54,150 --> 01:43:56,280 this rude ward 3333 1600 01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,590 Adam Curry: Yes Steven B's an animal good stuff being cooked 1601 01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:03,690 up here excited for the future V for V keep up the crap sir TJ 1602 01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:07,290 the raffle we already read his but it was 33,333 Thanks for the 1603 01:44:07,290 --> 01:44:09,690 hard work Dave Nam everybody involved big discussion. They'd 1604 01:44:09,690 --> 01:44:12,450 love to think about exciting stuff God bless you. Thank you 1605 01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:15,660 sir. Curtis drums again interesting averaging all that 1606 01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:18,870 different data rather than just taking a some single number like 1607 01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:21,570 amount of wallets that donated very interesting you were trying 1608 01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:26,730 it's called Velocity. Let's see we have Mr. Robot again. Good to 1609 01:44:26,730 --> 01:44:29,970 hear that was 7777 Good to hear the pod stage and pod father 1610 01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:32,940 back together again was missing the weekly V for V running with 1611 01:44:32,940 --> 01:44:37,890 scissor updates. Dave heard some rumblings of sem cert. STEM 1612 01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:43,860 cert. STM S R T noster. Music that will change the music 1613 01:44:43,860 --> 01:44:49,740 industry. Okay, I have no idea stems. STM e r s. I guess it's a 1614 01:44:49,740 --> 01:44:51,930 Nasir thing that's going to change the music industry. 1615 01:44:53,010 --> 01:44:57,060 Because he says lmao apples to oranges but it was service 1616 01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:00,150 booster gram and those creating their own like this is the Way 1617 01:45:00,150 --> 01:45:02,940 to go thank you for I think it's a way to go as well. I mean, 1618 01:45:02,940 --> 01:45:06,120 we're seeing the difference. Like all of a sudden we've got 1619 01:45:06,570 --> 01:45:12,480 music podcasts and everyone's waking up 5000 SATs. Another 1620 01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:15,570 Curtis drums came up with the song ranked by amount of wallets 1621 01:45:16,050 --> 01:45:19,020 that have donated idea and shared it on Norwegian socialist 1622 01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:21,480 want to give myself a shout out yeah, you're great Curtis is 1623 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:27,060 your shout out. Clip custodian Hello clip custodian 100,000 1624 01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:31,050 Unknown: Shot Carla 20 is Blaze only 1625 01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,530 Adam Curry: says Love y'all both and he wishes me a happy 1626 01:45:34,530 --> 01:45:40,020 birthday which is this Sunday. Thank you, Fletcher 15,480 1627 01:45:40,020 --> 01:45:44,610 Everything is lit mofos much love me amigos. Dred Scott again 1628 01:45:44,610 --> 01:45:49,710 with 120,456 welcoming us back miss you guys. Well, Dave and 1629 01:45:49,710 --> 01:45:53,130 Adam. Dave since Adam did every other podcast Okay, sorry. 1630 01:45:57,060 --> 01:46:00,840 Burberry 6969 Me doodles on the boardroom whiteboard with a 1631 01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:07,620 Sharpie. Yes. Thank you anonymous anonymous 55,555. And 1632 01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:12,780 that is it. That's the ones we got some 1633 01:46:13,620 --> 01:46:16,200 Dave Jones: even basic if you have any problem noster cells. 1634 01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:24,060 Adam Curry: That's right. Sure does. Should we do the papers 1635 01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:27,150 first? I'm sure we have some people that think there and and 1636 01:46:27,150 --> 01:46:29,700 then maybe the top booster grams, because it's gonna be it 1637 01:46:29,700 --> 01:46:32,190 might be just too much in general. Thank everybody from 1638 01:46:32,190 --> 01:46:36,000 three weeks. I don't know. Tell me. Yeah, 1639 01:46:36,030 --> 01:46:39,510 Dave Jones: we'll give it we'll give it a good go. Yeah. Marco. 1640 01:46:39,540 --> 01:46:40,890 $500. Yeah. 1641 01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:46,020 Unknown: Carla 20 is Blaze. Omaha. I'm Paula. Thank 1642 01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:48,240 Adam Curry: you so much, ma'am. Thank you. We'd love to take you 1643 01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:48,600 lit. 1644 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,410 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it means a lot because 1645 01:46:52,410 --> 01:46:55,290 I know there have been other donations and stuff are down. So 1646 01:46:55,290 --> 01:46:56,310 appreciate that. We'd 1647 01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:59,820 Adam Curry: like to help them get more money. Live booths, can 1648 01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:03,240 you imagine that? That could do that could make a difference for 1649 01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:03,660 them. 1650 01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,800 Dave Jones: Buzzsprout you just walked right over that 1651 01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:08,640 Adam Curry: comment? I love it. 1652 01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:15,150 Dave Jones: It it needed no comment? Yes. Buzzsprout not 1653 01:47:15,150 --> 01:47:19,860 only sent me a road caster duo, but they sent us $500 1654 01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,900 Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you so much. I love those guys. 1655 01:47:24,990 --> 01:47:28,410 Really is look. It's not the lightning community that's 1656 01:47:28,410 --> 01:47:31,770 keeping us alive. I'll tell you that. It's the podcast hosting 1657 01:47:31,770 --> 01:47:32,430 community. 1658 01:47:32,759 --> 01:47:37,019 Dave Jones: Yes. No, thank God because we we had we had a $200 1659 01:47:37,019 --> 01:47:40,799 a month PayPal. Donation. They didn't drop. So we're this is 1660 01:47:40,829 --> 01:47:44,759 Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is good. It's good to see Yes. To 1661 01:47:44,759 --> 01:47:48,899 see things continuing here. Yeah, we did get a one timer, a 1662 01:47:48,899 --> 01:47:54,419 $50 donation through PayPal from David Marcel can Novus Oh, thank 1663 01:47:54,419 --> 01:47:57,809 you says thanks for all the work and podcast index and 2.0. And 1664 01:47:57,809 --> 01:48:00,479 sorry for the trouble with KDE express more refresh would be 1665 01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,299 needed while all with with all tests we are doing with 1666 01:48:03,299 --> 01:48:04,019 transcripts 1667 01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:10,110 Adam Curry: go yes. All right. I'm so sad that I love what 1668 01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,840 Nathan is doing with transcribe.fm. But he does he's 1669 01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,570 not able to do the automatic host detection. 1670 01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,080 Dave Jones: I don't know what your what do you mean host 1671 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:22,770 section? Yeah, 1672 01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,420 Adam Curry: no, no speaker detection? 1673 01:48:24,839 --> 01:48:25,799 Dave Jones: Oh, that. 1674 01:48:26,759 --> 01:48:29,099 Adam Curry: Can I really want to send my money to him? 1675 01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:32,070 Dave Jones: Is it a limitation of the back end that he's using 1676 01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:32,250 this? 1677 01:48:32,730 --> 01:48:35,940 Adam Curry: I think it's just the you know that it can't do 1678 01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:39,360 it. You know, it's not easy. By the way. It's not a simple thing 1679 01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:43,980 to do. involves manual work, because I just don't I don't 1680 01:48:43,980 --> 01:48:46,980 want to break pod friend and people who are counting on him 1681 01:48:46,980 --> 01:48:49,110 now by taking Yeah, 1682 01:48:49,170 --> 01:48:51,690 Dave Jones: it's got the little the little heads popping up. 1683 01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,900 Yeah, it's cute. It's cute. It's cute goodies. 1684 01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:56,580 Adam Curry: I like it. All right, we 1685 01:48:56,580 --> 01:48:58,530 Dave Jones: got some boosts let's dive in here. We got to 1686 01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:03,300 pay citizen. 6969 says boosting for the future. Yeah. Thank you. 1687 01:49:03,330 --> 01:49:09,450 Thank you. 33 Thank you. Chad. Gets tone record 22,000 sets 1688 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:15,000 before the break loading up. Thank you. Thank God been 2222 1689 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,960 Thank you. Jane bean says props to Mitch and pod verse. Team for 1690 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:25,830 a great boost interface on iOS. Yeah. RW Nash and it's 3333 says 1691 01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:28,680 greetings from Gitmo nation taffy. What does get mo nation 1692 01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:29,160 Taffy 1693 01:49:29,190 --> 01:49:29,970 Adam Curry: taffy? 1694 01:49:30,540 --> 01:49:33,810 Dave Jones: I see the flag emoji but it is so tiny. I cannot 1695 01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:34,350 happy 1696 01:49:34,350 --> 01:49:39,270 Adam Curry: I wonder is that what is it Bucha I don't know 1697 01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:40,230 where that you taffy. 1698 01:49:40,740 --> 01:49:43,800 Dave Jones: What is this? What is this emoji? Maybe I wonder if 1699 01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:47,610 I can copy this out into the chat and see if somebody else 1700 01:49:47,610 --> 01:49:48,810 can can 1701 01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:53,820 Adam Curry: can get to see if say emoji even works. Okay, I 1702 01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:53,970 got 1703 01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:56,520 Dave Jones: that posted into the 1704 01:49:56,580 --> 01:49:59,550 Adam Curry: into the but I got a whole bunch of square blocks 1705 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,370 Okay, well, my client doesn't get it. 1706 01:50:03,810 --> 01:50:07,290 Dave Jones: See? Thank you RTB Nash appreciate that Franco, 1707 01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,200 buddy from CAST ematic 10,000 says, Thanks, Franco. 1708 01:50:10,230 --> 01:50:12,810 Adam Curry: I gotta tell Franco's in Italy right? Yeah. 1709 01:50:13,500 --> 01:50:17,880 So I don't know if I told you this but podcasting in Italy is 1710 01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,720 poppin it's breakout pee everybody's pod talking about 1711 01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:22,980 podcasting all of a sudden. 1712 01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,490 Dave Jones: Oh, that's the whale the flag of whales. 1713 01:50:27,210 --> 01:50:29,310 Adam Curry: Oh, Taffy. Yeah. Okay. 1714 01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:32,790 Dave Jones: Yeah, pilot says a pod podcast easy Mo. 1715 01:50:33,660 --> 01:50:37,860 Adam Curry: But no good Podcast, the podcast where you do? We 1716 01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:41,490 checked in the hotel. The manager came out. Mr. Korea Hey, 1717 01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:42,390 you do a podcast? 1718 01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,650 Dave Jones: Yeah, the word get around. Oh, yeah. Nope. 1719 01:50:46,650 --> 01:50:48,540 Adam Curry: Did like we have some wine for your curry in the 1720 01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:52,470 keeper podcast. Because I guess Spotify maybe promoting 1721 01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:56,160 podcasting there but some I think some Twitch guys start 1722 01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,160 doing podcasts is just one of those things. Podcasting is 1723 01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,580 booming in Italy. So I everywhere I went I said hey, 1724 01:51:02,670 --> 01:51:06,480 there's an Italian podcast that made by an Italian it's cast 1725 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:09,660 thematic and it kicks butt. So I was promoting it. 1726 01:51:10,110 --> 01:51:12,000 Dave Jones: We got boots on the ground. This isn't his sort of 1727 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:16,830 do you get an insurgency? Yeah, Italy. Podcast insurgency. 1728 01:51:17,010 --> 01:51:18,540 Adam Curry: Podcasts insurgency. 1729 01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:24,150 Dave Jones: Yes. Golden Dragon son is 2222 Road ducks. He says 1730 01:51:24,150 --> 01:51:26,490 on the topic of the for V what would stop us from doing this 1731 01:51:26,490 --> 01:51:29,670 for something like blogging? Well, nothing we've actually 1732 01:51:29,670 --> 01:51:33,120 talked about that point of time that will Sam Sethi is working 1733 01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:40,980 on that. Yeah, look at pod Golden Dragon. I'll see ya. Gone 1734 01:51:40,980 --> 01:51:44,100 dragon CISM boosted in great tune 2222 Thank you Golden 1735 01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:48,420 Dragon nice, mere mortals podcast or buddy Karen 2222. To 1736 01:51:48,420 --> 01:51:51,330 find out and he says such a tease to come back for one week 1737 01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:54,720 and then go away for even longer. Well. We didn't even 1738 01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,760 come back for one week. No we live 1739 01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,460 Adam Curry: we didn't we didn't lie we miscalculated. 1740 01:52:00,300 --> 01:52:03,900 Dave Jones: Enjoy your vacation. Adam hope you had a blast. Joel 1741 01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:08,400 who are secondary central Richards 1111 through curio 1742 01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,500 caster thinking. Nashville. BTC Santa Elena who that is seems 1743 01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:18,360 3333 Thank you. He says I saw this on noster. Any thoughts on 1744 01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:21,240 this? I don't know what you open this link. 1745 01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:22,770 Adam Curry: What is the link? It's a nostril 1746 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,920 Dave Jones: LinkedIn nostril band. What is that? I don't 1747 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:31,200 know. Okay, this is great. This is from Fia, Jeff, founding 1748 01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:36,900 member of the Ellen URL mafia. Nos RSS. This is his node RSS is 1749 01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:41,910 stupid, because you can't link to one specific RSS entry. All 1750 01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:44,820 these years podcasts have been distributed with RSS but every 1751 01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:47,970 single time someone wants to link to a specific episode, they 1752 01:52:47,970 --> 01:52:51,540 must hope the author has a URL for that episode. They can link 1753 01:52:51,540 --> 01:52:54,870 to or they will link instead to a page in the service that hosts 1754 01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:59,070 the podcast or on YouTube or god forbid Spotify. noster fixes 1755 01:52:59,070 --> 01:52:59,430 this 1756 01:53:01,530 --> 01:53:03,300 Adam Curry: Okay, all right. Great. Thanks. 1757 01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:11,160 Dave Jones: Moving moving along. Yeah. Those are my thoughts on 1758 01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:17,130 it. My thoughts are that career advice Chad? Especially Richards 1759 01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:22,050 a big 11111 He says this tune is a real toe Tapper. Great jokes 1760 01:53:22,050 --> 01:53:23,850 and means a nice boost remix Adam, 1761 01:53:24,179 --> 01:53:26,999 Adam Curry: go Oh, you're welcome. I aim to please. 1762 01:53:27,719 --> 01:53:30,869 Dave Jones: A battery of ES chat also sent a Mega Rush boost 1763 01:53:30,869 --> 01:53:35,549 21 112 through fountain he says this boost is the seed funding 1764 01:53:35,789 --> 01:53:39,569 for the boosts are protected speech legal fund. Please don't 1765 01:53:39,569 --> 01:53:42,179 miss appropriate the funds by writing off hookers in business 1766 01:53:42,179 --> 01:53:42,659 expenses. 1767 01:53:42,690 --> 01:53:45,480 Adam Curry: That's right. That's right. That's right. Money 1768 01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:46,290 speech y'all. 1769 01:53:47,099 --> 01:53:52,889 Dave Jones: Source de 1701 I wonder if 1701 is a star trick 1770 01:53:52,949 --> 01:53:53,669 boost? 1771 01:53:53,790 --> 01:53:55,560 Adam Curry: Ooh, sounds like sexy. 1772 01:53:56,070 --> 01:54:00,210 Dave Jones: What's an iPod Shuffle? I guess we talked about 1773 01:54:00,210 --> 01:54:05,670 shuffles. I think I mentioned some 1701 for source pieces 1774 01:54:05,670 --> 01:54:08,490 feels more like a bizarre than thejournal Oh a little ERIC S 1775 01:54:08,490 --> 01:54:13,320 Raymond reference. Let's go on way back Proppy of this podcast 1776 01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,720 into truly scale in my opinion, you would need to start pulling 1777 01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,540 directly from the nodes and not use the gateways and will I 1778 01:54:18,540 --> 01:54:18,900 agree 1779 01:54:18,930 --> 01:54:22,110 Adam Curry: yeah, I agree to but that That's step two. Step one 1780 01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:25,590 is having a gateway that we that we control so we don't get shut 1781 01:54:25,590 --> 01:54:28,650 down. And step two is for the for the apps incorporate that I 1782 01:54:28,650 --> 01:54:30,570 don't know how hard that is, but it would be nice. 1783 01:54:31,050 --> 01:54:35,220 Dave Jones: Cole McCormack 15 492. Through fountain he 1784 01:54:35,220 --> 01:54:37,530 says, Hey, if you guys want to hear what Angular Costello 1785 01:54:37,530 --> 01:54:40,980 really thinks about V for V music, check out episode 82 of 1786 01:54:40,980 --> 01:54:43,260 America plus Yeah, had a great talk with her. Yeah, 1787 01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,690 Adam Curry: it was a great, great show. I heard it. 1788 01:54:46,710 --> 01:54:50,760 Dave Jones: Let's see. Anonymous rest in peace. Bram Moolenaar, 1789 01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:51,990 author of Vim. 1790 01:54:52,050 --> 01:54:55,020 Adam Curry: Ah, yes. We lost him. Yeah, we did. 1791 01:54:55,830 --> 01:55:00,600 Dave Jones: At 3000 sets at 300 says I'm sorry. Matt de from 1792 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:04,110 returns to River City mystery podcast and his 5000 SATs. Thank 1793 01:55:04,110 --> 01:55:08,190 you, Matt. Appreciate that. And he sent us again 22 to 22 He 1794 01:55:08,190 --> 01:55:10,650 says love the concept of value for value. You guys are onto 1795 01:55:10,650 --> 01:55:14,940 something here. Question. Do any Bookstagram widgets exist that I 1796 01:55:14,940 --> 01:55:17,400 can add to my WordPress site so that listeners can boost it 1797 01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,530 directly from my website? Go podcasting? 1798 01:55:20,490 --> 01:55:23,700 Adam Curry: Is there something like that? I'm not sure Well, 1799 01:55:24,570 --> 01:55:28,380 Dave Jones: you could always get the you could always get Steven 1800 01:55:28,380 --> 01:55:29,520 B's code from 1801 01:55:29,550 --> 01:55:30,420 Adam Curry: yeah from 1802 01:55:30,420 --> 01:55:35,130 Dave Jones: split kit. Or yeah, just put put a split get on 1803 01:55:35,130 --> 01:55:41,130 there. Yeah, that's what is for froze ear 50,000 SATs through 1804 01:55:41,130 --> 01:55:44,790 pod vs. I finished recording my first ever podcast earlier 1805 01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:47,070 today. And I'm noticing developments happening at 1806 01:55:47,070 --> 01:55:50,130 Sovereign feeds.com Hey, Mom, I'm gonna be a DJ just like 1807 01:55:50,130 --> 01:55:51,090 Johnny fever. 1808 01:55:52,530 --> 01:55:55,290 Adam Curry: Yes, that's exactly right. That's the whole point. 1809 01:55:55,290 --> 01:55:56,970 You can be like that. 1810 01:55:57,540 --> 01:56:00,300 Dave Jones: Harry pilgrim 50,000 SATs through fountain he says 1811 01:56:00,300 --> 01:56:04,050 well what a great track a little when mixed with some everal 1812 01:56:04,140 --> 01:56:06,690 Adam Curry: go podcasting. Go podcasting. 1813 01:56:06,990 --> 01:56:09,630 Dave Jones: I don't have the reference for with what tracks? 1814 01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:09,780 I 1815 01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:12,060 Adam Curry: don't know because we don't have it in the TLV 1816 01:56:13,140 --> 01:56:16,500 Dave Jones: and we've got a whole bunch of anonymous podcast 1817 01:56:16,500 --> 01:56:22,950 guru user streaming boosts here. Oh InterSolar Yeah, so Jason 1818 01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:26,250 ever podcast Guru is clearly he's up to no good here. 1819 01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:30,750 Adam Curry: He is doing work. I know he's doing okay running 1820 01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:33,060 with scissors man. That's what that's what I'm saying. We love 1821 01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:33,210 it. 1822 01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:38,310 Dave Jones: Dirty Jersey who are 19 762 podcast index he says 1823 01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:41,670 start a podcast they said it'd be fun they said seriously 1824 01:56:41,670 --> 01:56:44,400 though, I recommend every everyone start their own podcast 1825 01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:48,300 using sovereign feeds and the other P 2.0. Tools. It's been a 1826 01:56:48,300 --> 01:56:50,730 huge learning experience for me. Thanks, guys. Y'all be good. 1827 01:56:50,759 --> 01:56:53,069 Adam Curry: He has definitely been running with scissors since 1828 01:56:53,069 --> 01:56:56,639 like, Could you please delete these 15 feeds from the index 1829 01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:57,419 that I created? 1830 01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:04,800 Dave Jones: Billy Bones do fountain 368 76 He says keep 1831 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:11,100 building the future. We will. Let's see. I've got 8 million 1832 01:57:11,100 --> 01:57:14,850 streams from Sam Sethi from pod fans that I'm blowing through 1833 01:57:14,850 --> 01:57:23,460 here as we speak. At Aquila, if that name sounds familiar with 1834 01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:30,060 133 sets, says go podcasting, Gil, and Kyron that we're almost 1835 01:57:30,060 --> 01:57:33,270 done. Karen says from 20 to 22. From mere mortals podcast, he 1836 01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:36,420 says Mr. You guys, my Saturdays were lonelier, without a doubt. 1837 01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:37,500 Oh, we missed you too. 1838 01:57:37,530 --> 01:57:38,940 Adam Curry: We missed you for sure. 1839 01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:43,440 Dave Jones: And we've got a boost to Graham the series. Here 1840 01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:50,160 it is the delimiter comma street blogger 30 3015. He says howdy 1841 01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,940 friends Dave and Adam. I'd like to recommend shows and podcasts 1842 01:57:53,970 --> 01:57:57,420 of Ben Drew. He has the most renowned and extensive YouTube 1843 01:57:57,420 --> 01:58:00,390 channel for microphone reviews, which you can find at 1844 01:58:00,810 --> 01:58:06,510 www.youtube.com/podcast ej Additionally, he hosts a 1845 01:58:06,510 --> 01:58:12,030 personal podcast at WWW dot Bandaru says.com If you need 1846 01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:16,290 comprehensive information about all microphones, I encourage you 1847 01:58:16,290 --> 01:58:19,590 to watch bandroom YouTube channels you will be pleased to 1848 01:58:19,590 --> 01:58:22,890 know that these are also available as audio only podcasts 1849 01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:25,140 with RSS EO CSB. 1850 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,180 Adam Curry: Thank you comics your blog and thank you for 1851 01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:31,140 always promoting podcasting 2.0 and promoting all the other 1852 01:58:31,140 --> 01:58:34,860 podcasts and getting Jeff Smith into it. I mean this what a 1853 01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,800 valuable human being you are worse we think you're a human 1854 01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,320 being you might be you might be Android 1855 01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:43,530 Dave Jones: we get a punch we get a just saw in this email in 1856 01:58:43,530 --> 01:58:46,050 my email says I had to open it read the news. We got a we got a 1857 01:58:46,050 --> 01:58:56,940 late 12:35pm Pay Pal $100 One timer from Boylston OYSTEIN Berg 1858 01:58:56,970 --> 01:59:00,390 Adam Curry: oh he's seen better yeah OYSTEIN Bay for Yeah, I 1859 01:59:00,390 --> 01:59:01,860 think he's I think he's Dutch 1860 01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:05,700 Dave Jones: OYSTEIN yeah. Oh 1861 01:59:05,700 --> 01:59:09,330 Adam Curry: yeah, he's been around for sure. And I just saw 1862 01:59:09,330 --> 01:59:14,310 a Sir Brian of London with the Israeli freedom boost 19,480 1863 01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,970 Been a long time been a long time been a long lonely lonely 1864 01:59:17,970 --> 01:59:22,350 lonely long time. Yeah, okay. Reference for sure. 1865 01:59:22,410 --> 01:59:25,740 Dave Jones: Thank you Austin. I'm so glad that opened the 1866 01:59:25,740 --> 01:59:28,110 email because we would have missed you until next week 1867 01:59:28,139 --> 01:59:30,809 Adam Curry: so even though we didn't get to even half of your 1868 01:59:30,809 --> 01:59:35,639 list I think everyone enjoyed your story about the road caster 1869 01:59:35,669 --> 01:59:36,629 I certainly did. 1870 01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:39,180 Dave Jones: Right away so 1871 01:59:39,210 --> 01:59:43,470 Adam Curry: no no no, we didn't waste a second No not a second 1872 01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:45,570 was wasted not at all I'm 1873 01:59:45,570 --> 01:59:48,240 Dave Jones: hurt in my heart because I wanted this to be a 1874 01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:53,580 humongous reveal in and like of Dave's got a road caster but it 1875 01:59:53,580 --> 01:59:54,600 just wouldn't work. 1876 01:59:54,630 --> 01:59:57,240 Adam Curry: You're going to get it you're gonna get it working. 1877 01:59:57,810 --> 02:00:02,220 You know, let's think positive the road caster pro oh two let's 1878 02:00:02,220 --> 02:00:06,870 go Monson causes positive Think positive Think positive is gonna 1879 02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:11,370 love that guy. Yeah, we should have we should have him on the 1880 02:00:11,370 --> 02:00:11,940 show 1881 02:00:15,809 --> 02:00:17,129 Dave Jones: he can tell me how to reset. 1882 02:00:19,439 --> 02:00:22,409 Adam Curry: So I'm going to show the dog and you know a dog 1883 02:00:22,409 --> 02:00:25,349 actually has stomach issues. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out I 1884 02:00:25,349 --> 02:00:28,589 gotta take her outside. So she's in squirt. And then I'm taking 1885 02:00:28,589 --> 02:00:32,309 it to the to the vet, I believe me, she kept getting up. I'm 1886 02:00:32,309 --> 02:00:35,339 like, oh, no, just calm down. You're good. You're good. Don't 1887 02:00:35,339 --> 02:00:39,509 Don't get up and squeeze it. So I'll probably won't have the 1888 02:00:39,509 --> 02:00:43,859 show posted until around four o'clock. Just so everyone knows. 1889 02:00:43,859 --> 02:00:45,749 Because you know, people are like so used to me posting it 1890 02:00:45,749 --> 02:00:49,739 right away. So gotta take her out and then get her to the vet. 1891 02:00:51,210 --> 02:00:52,140 Dave Jones: So but 1892 02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:58,710 Adam Curry: I still got to take her. We're not using that 1893 02:00:58,710 --> 02:01:01,800 goober. Or we're not using that as an ISO. 1894 02:01:02,070 --> 02:01:04,380 Dave Jones: Of course it was Bouverie they did that because 1895 02:01:04,380 --> 02:01:06,330 he's got the dirtiest mind on the planet. 1896 02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:10,890 Adam Curry: The problem is the ISO button takes the takes too 1897 02:01:10,890 --> 02:01:16,200 long. Let me see. I think actually have the ISO. If we can 1898 02:01:16,200 --> 02:01:18,750 get oh, there it is. Okay, let's, let's see. Let's see if I 1899 02:01:18,750 --> 02:01:21,900 can issue so I'm gonna. I'm gonna get out. I gotta take her 1900 02:01:21,900 --> 02:01:28,980 outside. So she's in squirt. I'm gonna get up. I gotta take her 1901 02:01:28,980 --> 02:01:31,380 outside. It's hard to ISO. Yeah, it's 1902 02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:32,280 Dave Jones: too much good. I 1903 02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:35,340 Adam Curry: got no way I can. Well, yeah, we'll use that for 1904 02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:39,960 next time. Uber. Yeah, because we had ISOs like an ISO score. I 1905 02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:44,220 mean, yeah. Dave brothers. It's good to be back with you, man. 1906 02:01:44,730 --> 02:01:49,530 Yeah, and glad you remembered my number. You're so mean. So 1907 02:01:49,530 --> 02:01:54,120 unnecessary. Hi, everybody. We'll be back next week with 1908 02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:58,080 another board meeting. Dave Have a great weekend my brother. Take 1909 02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,460 care everybody thank you chat room. 1910 02:02:14,850 --> 02:02:19,410 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1911 02:02:19,410 --> 02:02:21,930 index.org for more information. 1912 02:02:23,220 --> 02:02:28,290 is a beautiful piece of technology. G boost