Adam Curry: podcasting going over may 10 2024, episode 179
Swiss Army Hello everybody, welcome once again to podcasting
2.0 You are in the boardroom. That's right. This is where it
happens, where we discuss everything that's going on with
podcasting. We run with scissors, sometimes the
Poklonnaya out, but for sure we are the only boardroom that lets
you control the soundboard. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who brings over
160 years of in house experience saying hello to my friend on the
other end, the one and only Mr. Dave Jones.
Dave Jones: Those stats always cracked me up. Like what does
Adam Curry: that prove at all? We're discussing some marketing
message from some company that has rediscovered that chapters.
Oh, there it is.
Dave Jones: It Wait, is this the new Haley Pena?
Adam Curry: You better believe baby this thing is set up and
rockin and rollin. Oh, yeah.
Dave Jones: Okay, all right. Hold
Adam Curry: on. Hold on. June finish. Yeah. Okay. All right.
band ended. Thank you very good
Dave Jones: job to show when you have you have configured
multiple sounds or
Adam Curry: Oh, yes. i Yes. i Okay. So we talked about this.
He didn't work on the lash. I know I did some homework for the
show. We talked about this on the last show. Eric peepee. My
man, my man, Eric QTP. has upgraded heli pad to become an
application. It is the application I am in love with. I
am I adore this thing now. And I And let me explain why. For the
uninitiated, when we are using value for value, which if you're
listening to show you've probably heard about it, you get
one of those modern podcast apps, you can stream any amount
of value you want while you're listening to your favorite
podcast or from time to time, you can hit the boost button and
add a message now numerology has always been a very important
thing in the value for value world or as we call it, the
value verse. And why don't I call it the value verse? Yeah.
It's the value verse. Okay, the value verse notes, Music is
everything, everything in the value verse. And so on no
agenda, we noticed, you know, 15 years ago that people like
sending in certain amounts, and, you know, then there's, there's
like 3333 is there's no 77 777 77 11111, all kinds of
different numbers for all kinds of 888.
Dave Jones: And by the way, that's Google standard.
Adam Curry: So helipad is an application that you installed.
Typically, I think for now, it really, the easiest way to
install is if you have an umbrella, or like me, I am using
an on Start nine. Now you do need your own node. But you
know, once you're in the, in the league of podcasters, that we're
in, you know, you got to have your node. And you're not
running
Dave Jones: your own node. And yeah,
Adam Curry: you're not in the big leagues.
Dave Jones: So you're not hosting your own WordPress,
right,
Adam Curry: I mean, come on. So then you basically get a little
webpage and every you can look at the streams coming in. And
you know, that's very exciting, because you just kind of watch
it, it's like, oh, that's cool, you know, someone's listening,
it makes you feel good. You don't need stats, you just look
at this, like there's someone out there in the world. And you
can usually even see their nickname they put in there and
you can see what app they're using. And you can see that
they're sending you value in real time it makes you feel very
warm and fuzzy. Now when someone sends you a booster gram you
have a separate page and you can see the amount the boost that
someone has given you who gave it to you and any message and in
some cases on some of the really cool apps you can even reply
some some some SATs back if you want so that was working all
fine. You know, I was happy I was happy as a clam. Oh and by
the way, export to CSV very important that I use this
feature on all of my shows. So I can export I can import as a
pivot table. I feel so powerful that spreadsheet the spreadsheet
Yeah, yeah and pivot table I mean, who knew I'm you import as
as import and excel boom, pivot table, Data tab, Data tab, data
tabs, thank you. And you can select by episode and it's
really handy if you want to do a boost to gram segment and for
accounting purposes for the IRS. So now it has been so now you
have a sent tab. So if you sent somebody some value back you can
see that if the boost the streams in the set, but now we
have a configuration tab there's a little gear icon gear icons
are to be clicked on.
Dave Jones: And it's the first thing you do as an advanced as a
power user
Adam Curry: power user. So I'm just going to explain what I'm
seeing. So there's three tabs now that show up Jen Roll
numerology for 300 and web hooks now we start with general. So
first, I can now already change what my helipad is showing, I
can show the split percentage calculated when it comes in, I
can show the SATs received that I actually receive rather than
the total boost amount. I don't like that one because I'd like
to see the whole or you can also say, don't show anything from
the riffraff if it's below a certain amount like yeah, 100
sets new I'm not going to display you your floor, he says
a floor exactly then you have sounds put in play a sound
whenever new boost is received. Well, we've had that for a
while. That's the everyone has knows this sound. That's the
sound that that we have the channel open when someone boosts
us. And then you can also change that and use a custom sound for
for that new boost. Now we go to the numerology tab, this is
where it gets very exciting. Numerology is what I was just
talking about. And there's already a pre populated list of
some of the most exciting boost donations that we know of with
their associated emoji. So for instance, a row of ducks shows
you a couple of ducks on the page. I mean, it's just a fun
little thing, you know, is it's just so you have a visual cue,
oh, it's a row of ducks. So 12222 comes in, you can say, ah,
row of ducks. And it's populated with a lot of numbers that are
already fan favorites. Now, in addition to fan favorites, I
like in my exponent, I'm Eric VP, doing I'm doing you solid,
bro,
Dave Jones: this is this is like this is marketing, you would pay
for it. Yeah.
Adam Curry: And by the way, people nothing will will fire
off while I'm in setting. So hold off. You don't want to do
that. Because for some reason that doesn't work LPP I consider
that to be above. But now, so you can add your own numbers.
And in addition to that, you can add your own emojis. And you can
also add sounds. So, for instance, as a reasonable test
number I added to the already existing 808 which in the world
of podcasting 2.0 and 15 year old boys is known as the boob
donation and the emoji is to eight balls. So when you send me
a boob donation, you hear that little jingle which you heard,
which is today boobs. So I have also configured some other
amounts which have secret sounds, which I'm not going to
tell you about. So if someone hits one of those, and I have
12344 Secret sounds, which are no numbers, numbers known to me
and people have used these numbers before, they're not
tiny. I'll give you a little hint. Because I don't want to be
interrupted the whole time. Yeah.
Dave Jones: So can you give a range? Like what are the what
are the secret numbers between? Well, they're imaginary match,
Adam Curry: there is one number that is only three digits. And
that has a sound, there's one so I figured I'd leave a secret
number download for people to figure that one out. It's a
beautiful number. That's all I'm gonna say the low rollers for
the low rollers. Now, if you are a little bit higher in nature, I
have one that Sam Sethi has done before. So they have a sound for
that. And then I have some some that we have mentioned. But then
there is also a baller boost, I mean, you can just imagine where
that'll be. So if anyone feels like trying that out, please be
my guest during the during the course of this program. And
because those numbers when you boost that amount you wish it
should interrupt our flow. But the same we want to be
interrupted. Yes. Now the thing that I am jet jet jacked about
is the web hooks. Because now based upon a certain number, or
any number or anything you want to do, really, you can have
something happen in the internet realm. I call this sets as a
Service says yes, says the service that says a service. And
so I'm not I don't know how to do web hooks. I'm not going to
bother Dave about web hooks. I understand what they are, you
know, there's a server you gotta have a server and it's got to
have a token and fine. All that's fine. I will put a SATs
as a service in my split in all my splits, if you can give me
something that will post on Mastodon, something that will
that I can connect to an IRC chat, if you will give me
something that will go to a leader board. Oh, and here's an
idea. I want it to go to my SMS. If someone sends me 100,000
SATs, I want to get an SMS text message. I hear that all the
rage
Dave Jones: is to hook up With Buzzsprout I think they know how
to do that.
Adam Curry: No, I'm not. That's just because it's basically
cross app comments.
Dave Jones: Yeah, please do you want,
Adam Curry: I'm gonna reach through this microphone and pull
your head right out of my headphones. No, it's not
basically cross app comments. It's a link in your show notes.
No, no, I'm talking about a sophisticated SATs as a service.
So I
Dave Jones: apologize for trying to rile you up early in the
show. Yeah,
Adam Curry: that's all right. I listened to pod news weekly
review. I got riled up. But I think this is this is the
application that really I mean, the sky is the limit on things
we can do with boosting certain numbers. And I would be so happy
to put people into my value block split to have certain
services available to me that I can then configure that's why I
call it SATs as a service that I can configure that something
happens in the real world I like that you know, guys got lights
and smoke machines going off on a new video so that's not going
to be that's not going to be that that useful for me. But I
would love to needed
Dave Jones: some What do you need a some sort of like a, like
a servo or something that's triggered that will poke Phoebe
in the in the, with a pencil or something?
Adam Curry: No, I got one of those zappers she just barked. I
got one of those collars. You know there'll Zapper? Oh, you
don't know, I hadn't put that on her in a year. And I only use
the vibrate function. I don't use the electricity function. By
the way, I recommend everybody use only vibrate and not the
electricity function. Agreed I agree with him. But I would love
to receive a text message. Which I think is pretty easy to
configure from my on my own on my own SMS. You know, just so
Hey, someone just just sent this to you so I can immediately go
in and thank them. I would love if someone sends a baller boost.
I would like to my account on Mastodon to post Wow, look at
this. I just got a baller boost from Papa Papa for episode Papa
papa. Join the fun. It's awesome. You're a loser if you
don't have this, too. I mean, that's that's the kind of stuff
I'm looking at. I mean, it's kind of like I want to If This
Then That for helipad, I guess is what I'm saying? Or maybe
even better make a web hook for if then If This Then That.
Dave Jones: They probably support that already. I would
think that they wouldn't do like Zapier. Zapier. Zapier. The if
in IFTT, like I would think that they already support those sorts
of web hooks.
Adam Curry: I think Chad f actually, I think Chad F sent
the right one but it didn't fire right. Either that or I didn't
hear it.
Dave Jones: Or you know, a chat F try that one again.
Adam Curry: Oh, sorry.
Dave Jones: If you if you send the right thing, it takes a
picture of you with your webcam and post it to Mastodon
Adam Curry: that's a great idea. Or take a picture never
Dave Jones: know when it's gonna be. Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: a fun idea.
Dave Jones: I like it. It may catch you picking a big booger
out of your nose or something. I mean, like, he knows all kinds
of fun things could happen.
Adam Curry: Eric BP tried to small boobs. No, no brother.
That was too obvious. Now. I don't know. I wonder if this is
what I'm always afraid that you know, like, now we do this
experiment and then something fails. And it doesn't work.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it worked fine. It worked fine earlier,
but I don't know. I wonder if I need to have the page in the
foreground sometimes. You know, you got to wonder about stuff
like that. I
Dave Jones: wouldn't think I don't think so. Maybe. Did you
did you close out of the settings and you're now back
into the
Adam Curry: back into the back into the wallet see chat chat
apps and he's resending it. So let me see if I may have
misconfigured it you know, no, I mean, sometimes
Dave Jones: in order to get you click on Interact, yeah,
Adam Curry: no, I did that. And we heard one. Okay, no, that's
true. There we go. Blades on am Paulo Sam Sethi. 101010 Thank
you very much. He's the big baller testing the soundboard
BAM he nails it. Anything over 100,000 SATs that's how I
programmed it beautiful Sam. Thank you. He says boost testing
the soundboard. Oh, so
Dave Jones: this is ah okay. So you see how it works. You can
you don't have to have an exact amount you can say you can use
ranges. We have Boolean logic.
Adam Curry: Boolean. Yes, I can be equals so I just did anything
above 100,000 You have equal to you can oh there it is. There it
is. Chad F got the lucky 777 That's right. That was the
lowball number. He nailed it now.
Dave Jones: It's gonna get out of control.
Adam Curry: And I only put it You win. So, good luck,
everybody I love everyone's like sending huge amounts now. I
gotta get this. Like, do
Dave Jones: you remember that? You remember the lightning goat
feeder? Yes. This
Adam Curry: is exactly it is very similar.
Dave Jones: Yes to go feeder.
Adam Curry: This is awesome. I don't use that word. Lightly.
This is absolutely awesome. I just think this is just so our
guest is already trying to figure it out. And I mean, I
could I could have configured this thing all day long. I
didn't because we'd never get anywhere. We just did we just be
doing this the whole time. By the way, Sam, that's not the
number you typically boost. But thank you. That's not the one I
was thinking of. Thanks for the thanks for the mega boost the
baller boost. Yeah. So this is
Dave Jones: nice, nice, very nice. But you know, he wished it
to a different framework. So like we were using like a, like
a home rolled framework that I originally took out of some
example code. And that's the back end for all of these
different things, the bridge helipad. Lots of different
stuff. And MK Ultra instead then he took he re engineered it with
using the axon framework. Oh, and as I think I think that's a
good thing. And I'm actually going to back sort of backport
that over to the other to the other projects that use it. Pod
ping uses
Adam Curry: Sam Sethi 10,000 SATs. Okay, there we go. All
right, everybody.
Unknown: That's so that's a little baller.
Adam Curry: You got a short baller. Yeah, you got a 10,000
bucks short baller. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is great.
So much can be done with this. But also now you can have
leaderboards I mean, it doesn't just have to fire off, you know,
little events, it could add to a leaderboard. You know, based
upon I guess an you know, you could have other inputs so you
can do voting. I mean, the web hook part is just just genius a
bit and we will remember we were talking about how can we rapa
phi all of this stuff all these cool things that people are
making? Well this is the way this is the way this is it and
and it's it's free software
Dave Jones: if you if you send in like if you send enough sets
you'll it'll trigger your Mastodon account to follow that
person.
Adam Curry: Yeah, why knife or follows or whatever? I mean, or
you know, a call back so literally, you know, like, my
phone will ring and it'll be calling you. I'm down for I can
I can go on for days thinking about this. You know, like you
boost this 200,000 SATs will make Bitcoin go up again. Not
right now. Massive, massive crash.
Dave Jones: Oh, man, this is read. I love this. It. It
Adam Curry: brings. Okay, so many people are kind of
comparing it to twitch. Yeah, in a way. But this is so much
better. I mean, it's a million times better. And by the way,
wouldn't my podcast host want to offer some of these? Some of
these callbacks, some of these web hooks?
Dave Jones: Well, if you're running a look, okay, so if
you're running a local, I'm just thinking through this. If you
run out a local web server on on localhost, you could run it on a
custom port, and then set the web hook to call localhost. And
then you could have your own machine. Do all kinds of things
like OBS like trigger OBS, like OBS overlays. Oh,
Adam Curry: hello. What's that? What's that thing I gave you?
Dave Jones: Oh, no, the stream the stream deck.
Adam Curry: Hello stream deck trigger stream deck. Switches.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: yeah, you could say trigger a stream deck button,
which throws something up on throws the ball. That
Adam Curry: would be even better if we could do if we could do
MIDI events. There you go. Eric. PP. Have a nice weekend. MIDI
MIDI events. Oh, I've got tons of MIDI stuff to fire off. My
whole system works on MIDI that they call Yeah. You could even
mute me.
Dave Jones: No, no, I veto this. But I
Adam Curry: like it because it's a total git clone. Oh, chimp.
Interesting. That day, Jim should have fired I think. Okay,
Eric VP has already identified a bug. So what is it? Well, okay,
so if, if a sound has just fired, then you know, and
another another fire comes in. Too soon after that. It does. I
think you should have you should have gotten one chimp I'm not
sure. I'm not sure what happened there.
Dave Jones: So it can't. The browser can and play two
simultaneous sounds. Yeah,
Adam Curry: well, he's actually exempted. And depending on how
much padding there is in each sound file, it could mess it up.
All right, well, because chimp said 22 222. And I think I set
that up as a row of ducks. Okay, but that didn't fire. Well, I
feel bad about that. But anyone can try it again, if you want.
Feel free. This is this is what we call ultimate gamification
Dave Jones: is Yeah, I think the local I think the local host
thing is a good a good idea. That's a pretty good idea. Yeah.
That actually makes me want to write die.
Adam Curry: Happy. Have a great weekend, everybody.
Dave Jones: You know what I mean? Like, of course, they
could like just be like bridge bridge, some calls over to, then
you wouldn't even really even need a token or anything,
because it's all local.
Adam Curry: Right? But I'm just as happy to have you know, a
service that I don't have to worry about. If it crashes, you
know, I mean, it's easy. Or how about this? Added? What are you
drinking?
Dave Jones: This is a Lacroix pure.
Adam Curry: I didn't expect that from you. But here's what you
Dave Jones: can drink. Oh, this. You spent me you speed me to go
stronger?
Adam Curry: Show beer show beer?
Dave Jones: No, that would be a bad show. Chocolate. But
Adam Curry: this, you know, I just love SATs as a service. I
think it'd be fantastic. Just let me hook into anything. Oh,
you know me. I'll put anybody in the split. Like,
Dave Jones: oh, yeah, me at least sometimes we have people
in the split that weren't even there were guests like three
weeks three weeks ago.
Adam Curry: Hey, man, thanks for the value. What we appreciate
that. Speaking of value, now was as a couple of things we got to
talk about, certainly in relation to publisher feeds. And
and we may want to bring our guests in before we do that,
since he's a data scientist. But at first I wanted to someone
pointed this out to me, the term value for value is just I mean
it, I love how it's become its own thing. And it's just out
there in the universe, and people are using it. And the
most interesting people all of a sudden, use this term now for
multiple reasons. Or maybe they see it or whatever it is that
the concept is out there. And it's not tipping. So someone
pointed me to an interview that Megyn Kelly was doing with
Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Barr, it's, it's a wacky interview,
for sure. But then this
Eric Nantz: there isn't like just a few families that should
own everything in the world. There isn't. That's true. And
and, and they're so stupid. Like you said, luckily, they are
stupid, because arrogance always accompanies ignorance. That's
what Torah says. They're always the same two sides of the same
coin. And they undo each other, let's hope. And so their
arrogance is such that they've actually made with their greed
and their whatever they do in their bubbles. And they're
bursting bubbles and making more bubbles in their scams and
fraud. They've actually made money obsolete and it's
worthless. Now, that's just great. That's my optimistic sign
of the future because that is the dream of the end of debt
slavery that's leaving Egypt. That is the dream of humanity.
It's so great, and it's crumbling. And they're being
exposed, and it will be replaced with a better system that works
for human beings, all human beings. And it'll come from us
and our intelligence, because we have the will and the means and
all the technology to do that. Without money but with something
else. Value for value. Yeah.
Adam Curry: How about that, huh? From Rosie? Roseanne Barr.
Dave Jones: She's a she's a wacky bird. She's
Adam Curry: interesting. Yes. She's definitely different. Yes.
Outlet agreement is.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, I never expected her to go value
for value. I'll take it. Yeah. Let's bring
Adam Curry: in our guests Dave because this is an interesting
person. All of our guests of course are interesting persons.
But this is not the the tradition of interest. It's a
person Yes. Yes. Please welcome our guests in the boardroom and
a person of interest say hello to the podcasting. 2.0 data
scientist, Eric nonce everybody.
Eric Nantz: Hey, great to be here.
Adam Curry: Eric is a dancer Dance,
Eric Nantz: dance. So
Adam Curry: you gotta dance. Okay, when I kind of I kind of
flubbed the last
Eric Nantz: one be the first time Eric Where
Adam Curry: are you calling him from brother? Where are you
right now?
Eric Nantz: I'm based in the midwest of America here in
Indiana.
Adam Curry: My wife's stomping grounds were in Indiana. Carmel
to be exact. I don't don't know where that is
Eric Nantz: actually, that's just about like half hour north
of the Indianapolis area. Okay. And she
Adam Curry: says she was from Northwest Indiana, which was I
think at one point South Chicago is there a place called South
Chicago in Indiana.
Eric Nantz: Maybe close to Gary, Indiana as well.
Adam Curry: She lives right across the tracks from Gary,
Indiana. I always say oh, yeah, you're from Gary girl. Go away.
You're from Gary. P like I did not live there for anyone who
doesn't know you don't want to live there. Yeah,
Eric Nantz: I passed by it a few times. Roll up the windows when
Adam Curry: you go past Gary, Indiana,
Dave Jones: like the poster child for deindustrialization
for anyone
Adam Curry: that's accurate. It also gave us the Jackson Five so
you know there's there's good things different Gary. Yeah.
Gary, Indiana. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting. I've heard
that Bloomington is like beautiful. Yeah, it's not wrong
about that. No, it's
Eric Nantz: It's nice there.
Dave Jones: Cuz I always my only picture of Indiana. I drove
through it one time. And it was it's flat with corn.
Adam Curry: That is everything. There's corn. Yes. Carl state of
corn. They all like coffee. I like Khan. Do you like Khan?
Dave Jones: That N button I heard. But then somebody told me
that Bloomington is there's no corn there? It's all there's all
campus down?
Eric Nantz: Yeah, a bunch of trees in campus town. That's
accurate. Yep.
Dave Jones: Sorry. So you're you're the you're the the you're
the date resident data scientist of Indiana headed. So you're you
primarily work? Yes. A couple of things. You primarily work in
the R language and you have a podcast about our That's
Eric Nantz: right. Yeah, I've been doing it. Well, I've did a
first version of this. Way back in 2011 2012. Midway that one's
been on hibernation I've been using our ever since my
dissertation days in grad school, because I've literally
saved my dissertation or as I'm whenever I graduated. So I've
been hooked ever since. But yeah, Tuesdays are my day job
and my hobbies too. But
Dave Jones: you had so you had a previous podcast about it. And
then you know, you've got to you've resurrect so used to have
Yeah, is that what you're saying? You have an old one. And
now you have a new?
Eric Nantz: Yeah, basically, the old one was called Dr. Podcast,
that's my nickname on on the social areas. But then I kind of
had a little pod fade here and there. And now I do something
every week about community. So I called our weekly where we
basically it's a community driven newsletter, the share all
the awesome happenings and tutorials, new packages and all
the latest developments in the our ecosystem.
Dave Jones: How do you think that like? So for some add
purposely? I didn't know anything about our and I don't?
And I purposely did not do any research, because I wanted you
to tell me what it is in like in your language rather than me
just gonna read a bunch of Wikipedia.
Eric Nantz: Yeah, absolutely. It's, you could say it's a
language that isn't a real traditional programming language
in the sense that this was actually created by
statisticians over a university in New Zealand, way back in the
in the mid 90s. And admittedly, it's got its own quirks
regarding object going and programming in light. But it's
literally the home to almost any statistical method you could
ever see in the literature or other research, you'll find in
our package for one way or another, by I would say within
the last probably 10 years or so, especially in the last five
years. We can use R and all sorts of places, whether it's
machine learning AI, you know, visualizations, I can build
interactive web applications, like a build fancy dashboards
I'm gonna be talking about a little bit soon, you can hook it
up to just about any other language as well, like Python,
JavaScript, anything like that. So it's a great way to unify a
lot of different statistical concepts together. But once you
get the hang of it, it's it's hard to go back at least in my
opinion,
Adam Curry: have you been using it in the podcasting 2.0 realm?
Eric Nantz: Well, my first venture in this was, if you
recall, maybe it was a year and a half ago, I created a little
package called pod cat pod indexer, which is basically a
front end to your fancy podcasting 2.0 API, so that we
got that, you know, front and center there. So as an API,
where there's my first pass, but now I'm using it artists way to
visually analyze the podcasting index database with a bunch of
our database packages and some of the algorithms we'll be
talking about a little bit with duplication and visualization
and may not those fancy tables, which are one of the packages
inside so there's almost nothing I can do with it. You just have
to find the right package for it.
Adam Curry: It's what she said. Oh, yes. Sorry. So
Dave Jones: I'm 50. So if you got so if you have the right,
let's see, if you have, you know, of course, I've been
looking through the dashboard and everything. I feel like this
could be benefit is obviously beneficial to us. And so the,
for our own needs only URL is our
podcast.github.io/pod-db.dash. And it is obviously helpful for
us. But I wonder, also how helpful you think this type
hindlimb is having a hard time articulating them as we can
tell. So I guess what I've always wanted is, is certain
things out of the out of the index, certain types of data,
and that are hard to necessarily quantify. So things like it's
easy to look and say, Okay, well, how many? It's easy to do
just basically basic table searches, you know? Sure. You
just say, Okay, how many feeds are dead? How many feeds have
published an episode in the last 30 days? I mean, that that's
just kind of like, the low hanging fruit. But it seems like
there's, when you have a database, this large of all the
public podcasts, you could, you could mine out some data, if you
knew the right, you know, algorithms to to apply. It seems
like you could mine out data that will be useful for
everybody to find sort of new insights about things that we're
that we're not getting, do you kind of see what I'm saying.
Eric Nantz: But absolutely, I'm tracking with that. And I think
one of the things that I haven't done very much yet is looking at
kind of a longitudinal, you know, sense of what's changing
every week or what are what are the newest feeds being under and
and how's that compared to say, a year ago, and maybe then, you
know, things like that, which I'm not haven't built in yet in
terms of this interface. But I think that could certainly be
done. I just have to archive each of these in a in a snapshot
kind of manner. But I've seen others on on the on the podcast,
index social, do these nice line charts of like, the podcasts,
adopt the value for value or time splits inside? Yeah, we're
gonna start getting into some of that, too.
Adam Curry: What was the one that I just saw, which I really
liked a lot. Hold on a second. I'll bring it up. That was our,
our statistician. That was one second up, Ron Plouffe.
Eric Nantz: Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Ron
Adam Curry: Plouffe posted on May 9 2023 89. Feeds had the
medium music tag attention. James Cridland appears it and
here's a news item for you. One year later, there are 3031
Medium music tag feeds in the index.
Dave Jones: Yeah, and there's also he posted last week, there
are now over 20,000 value for value
Adam Curry: value fees. Yep, exactly. I saw that, too.
Dave Jones: What? So that's what you mentioned is something that
I was thinking about earlier today. Actually, I don't I don't
remember what I heard that was triggering that but I was
thinking I was thinking about, it really would be helpful to
find out, like on a per host basis. Which feed like, what the
new feed creation volume is and see it go up and down. Yeah,
Eric Nantz: I like that idea.
Dave Jones: You know, because it because it's, it's helpful,
because you don't know. You just get these real general vague
stats from the industry about you know, you know, $2 billion,
and podcasts and just this kind of stuff that's like, okay, and
then you look at, you look at OPI three data, which have been,
I was looking through the other day. And one thing I saw about
it was, it's real interesting. If you compare the downloads, to
over 30 days to the, quote, unique listeners over 30 days,
sometimes there's a huge skew between those two. Sometimes
it's close sometimes it's really out of whack. Is that I can't
think that guy got me thinking what you know, it would be
really cool if you could if you could just sort of visualize
like you said changes over time. It what would you need me to
give you in order to like do things like that would you need
like full database access?
Eric Nantz: And wouldn't hurt
Dave Jones: yeah, don't have that labor right
Adam Curry: access to give them right x. Table, give them a
table, go for it.
Dave Jones: Because we had we actually have that there's a
couple of people who need like Spurlock has access to the full
week, like the full database dump. This got all the episode
data and all that kind of stuff. It's so big, it's like 200 gigs
worth of data. So I don't make it public. But like, we could
hook you up with stuff like that, if you wanted to mess
around with it.
Eric Nantz: Oh, that'd be really cool to start turning loose on
some of these other ideas that we've been talking about I've
been doing is about as much as I got in this initial password,
the sequel lite database every week, that's backed up, but I
could definitely turn up another notch with that access. Because
Dave Jones: the other downside to the weekly database download
is it gets only dumping out feeds that are that haven't been
marked as dead. And so you never see the stuff that you'd never
kind of see what disappeared. Boucher. Well, I mean, I guess
you can if you are like look compared to comparisons, like a
diffs. week to week, but but it's a lot easier if you have
like the full thing where you see all the all the dead and
living podcast at the same time.
Eric Nantz: Yeah, yeah, maybe getting back to Money or points
on this. I've certainly built this with with you all in mind
first, because a member and I know the build up to this, I've
heard you the moment the duplicate issue, which I'm not
sure if we can both be solved yet. And my initial pass, but at
least we got more insights into it. But anything to help this
project kind of keep going and greater levels. I know a lot of
the consumers of the database or the podcast app authors would
rightfully so. But is there any other ways that we can help you
all out with, you know, analyses, Eva, I've seen the
chat, maybe looking at tag usage or things like that, you know,
I'm really happy to turn loose on some of this stuff.
Dave Jones: I love the sort of unapologetic, like the Virat the
veracity of what you're, you're you're basically like a, I
analyzed your database. And here's all the problems. Which
is like, it's, it's actually great, because that'll you don't
get to see that side of your own work sometimes. And like out of
the because when I looked at, like the data quality tab, out
of 12 different points of data quality, we have green checks on
three of them.
Adam Curry: Were numbers three,
Dave Jones: we suck is basically they want us to hear this.
Adam Curry: I wonder if I have a jingle for that I can hook up
Dave Jones: with. So what, like if I go to the Data Quality tab?
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on a second. I think I have it,
please.
Dave Jones: There you go. Yeah, that's, that's what should play
when the data quality is below eight.
Adam Curry: Yes.
Eric Nantz: I'm guessing I'll never be on the boardroom again,
after all this, but we're
Dave Jones: looking through here. So you have non missing
podcast good. So if I'm understanding this, okay, so
says out of the out of all the database records that were
scanned, 4,180,757 there's 160 that don't have a good,
Eric Nantz: that's right.
Dave Jones: Wow. And, um, which is kind of which was weird to
me, because all the podcasts good to get generated when
they're ingested. In which is so odd that there's any that number
should be zero?
Eric Nantz: I remember when I was asking you on the Macedon
before about, you know, what kind of fields I should be
looking at. And we always said podcast good was one that we
should always expect to be there. And that was a shock to
me, too, that that basic check turned up with something above
zero. So I think are those just building upon this that would
illuminate these other issues that admittedly, you would never
be able to predict, right? It's just the way the primes work, I
guess.
Dave Jones: And then they get unique podcast good values. So
the failure there is that there's 25,000 records that
clash.
Adam Curry: Just going crazy on the soundboard today. I'm sorry.
Dave Jones: Thank you for making me feel better about muscle.
Adam Curry: Therapy, David's therapy. It's good for you. It's
good for you.
Dave Jones: Hello, I'm Dave and I have missing podcast.
Adam Curry: Hello, I'm Dave. I'm a DB admin. Hello, Dave.
Dave Jones: Non missing content hash. Okay. There's 16 Was this
happen? Yeah. Okay. All right. How do I get this data back that
you've sort of assembled here? Sure. Okay, so now I know. Now I
know that I have 160 podcast records with missing Gu IDs,
right? How do I get that back out of your dashboard in a
programmatic way where I can, like, do actions on that without
having to manually do things? Well,
Eric Nantz: he can. Yeah, I mean, that's there's some I can
try to build in. But at the minimum, you see, if you expand
that table, there's a link that says, download full extract,
that's a parquet file, if you want to get those records for
yourself, and at least in the manual way, but there's
certainly ways I could, you know, maybe beat this up a bit
to offer some kind of hook to the download these based on
like, I have what's called a step ID for each of these, where
you see that assessment, and it says, like I said, Not missing
podcast good, I got a bunch of metadata associated all this, I
just need to find a way to programmatically expose it to
Dave Jones: what's what is a parquet file? What is that?
Isn't
Adam Curry: that he's jumped over stuff. And over walls and
stuff. A park is a Parkour, parkour, I'm sorry,
Dave Jones: park a. Park a is the butter is the fake butter.
Yeah,
Eric Nantz: yeah, I'm getting hungry again. But um, in any
event, this is a newer format, probably in the last like three
years or so that's trying to be like an interoperable format for
multiple languages to store tabular data. So it's definitely
not great for huge nested JSON data. But for relational data,
like we're seeing here, you can import these pretty efficiently
with something called the arrow project. Also the duck DV
database that you may be hearing about some and using this as a
source file. So there's a lot of cool things you can do with
parquet, I just wanted to give it an A semi neutral format for
downloading it. I admit I'm peeved by CSVs. I deal with them
way too much at work, and they drive me nuts. I want to try
something different with this DVD
Dave Jones: that you're giving me like, I'm writing like a
magnet, you give me so much here to have that. I don't know that
have to go look up. Give me work.
Eric Nantz: Oh, yeah, I'm here to help. Right? I'm just here to
help, I'm honest. But the duct TV things really interesting,
though, because I'm not sure how much you're up on something
called WebAssembly. For some of these applications online,
they're hooking duck DB into this, we're in theory, if I
could really update this thing to like another level, I could
have most of the database as like inside the app itself, be a
duck DB and still get great performance out of it. I haven't
had time to really hook that in yet. But it's I'm really
watching if we end up having to do a lot more in this kind of
framework for further analysis. Okay,
Dave Jones: so you're saying that you're saying this duck DB
is like a connector? For like a but it's a binary connection to
a database in the WebAssembly?
Eric Nantz: Yeah, it can be used in anywhere, not just
WebAssembly. But we're seeing a really take off. And in the
realm of data science, he says, Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Adam Curry: We are deep inside the DB. I just can't resist.
Eric Nantz: I was waiting for that.
Adam Curry: You're sexy man. Do you? Are you a data scientist
during the day as well as your day job?
Eric Nantz: Yeah, I mean, that's still technically called
statistician. But it's all the same thing these days. But yeah,
at the at the day job. I'm at a life sciences company. The title
is a director of innovation in our innovation center advanced
analytics. That's a mouthful. Wow. But
Adam Curry: you get chicks with that. Oh,
Eric Nantz: I got one year. We didn't need a grad school. So
there's our score.
Dave Jones: I like the term I love I use the term non missing.
That's like a net, you negate it, instead of saying, here's
the missing ones. Like, here's not here's the non missing ones.
Yeah, that
Eric Nantz: one literally rolls off the tongue for me. Because
at the day job, I have to do this all the time with the data,
we collect and figure out what's missing. What's missing at
random what's missing because of other reasons. There's all sorts
of stuff I have to do there.
Dave Jones: Let's see. Yeah, pit pages, like, like, if you want
to make John Spurlock drink alcohol, just send him to this
to the Data Quality tab on the podcast index dashboard.
Adam Curry: Hey, you should you should run your stuff against
the Opie three as well. That'll be fun.
Dave Jones: Oh, that would be fun. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Can't you run queries against our database and
op three at the same time and come up with something useful?
Eric Nantz: Sky's the limit right.
Dave Jones: The LCD you could Yeah, I was thinking about that
about hella bad to be caught.
Adam Curry: Oh, I'd love to have some a I'll pay you for that.
I'll give you a split. Yeah, Ron is that Hello, Pat has all kinds
of data, it's really as good, especially on the streams part,
which we can't. I mean, it really can't do much. I mean,
there's just so much data that the spreadsheet goes what
Dave Jones: how big is your spreadsheet now? Like when you
export for, for our show? Is it getting cuz I do worry about
that I do worry that at some point the hell up had in
database is gonna get so big that it's going to start to
struggle.
Adam Curry: You want me to look at the database? I don't know.
Like
Dave Jones: the the spreadsheet is sort of a reflection of the
database of the SQLite database that backs up Ella pad.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I did an export a while back of
everything was like I think I did 2023 I'll see if I can find
that and see what that because that's that's not that's all of
my shows.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, yeah. You run everything in the same
Hello, passerby that,
Adam Curry: well, that is not the way to go. I mean, that's,
that's the beauty of helipad is that you can have one wallet,
this was telling Darren O'Neal, you can have one bay, basically
one wallet address, use that for all of your incoming streams and
payments. And then you want to see how stuffs doing well, then
you just run a helipad export. You can see what's going on, let
me see if I can find it. See if I can find that I know I stored
it somewhere.
Dave Jones: Somewhere. RF is are flexible enough? I mean, it
sounds like it started off as a static is a a statistician
language. But then it evolved into something more general
purpose. Like is it general purpose enough to write just
like a podcast app and or something like that?
Eric Nantz: I thought about it. I mean, in fact, I've been
toying with my websites that I do for my older podcasts. And
one of my video things called the shiny developer series, I
had actually leveraged a package that hooked up to the Hugo
static site engine. And I was toying with the idea of with
some XML or RSS packages of maybe as a test using our to
literally produce the XML feed, and then publish that
dynamically the object storage and seeing how far I could get
have an 80% of the way there, but it's like a mix of our in
Python things. So there's, I would not be surprised if I
could build a shiny app that is a very bare bones like podcast
app, I'm sure it's possible. So
Dave Jones: they there's a thriving like our package,
package ecosystem there that has a lot of libraries that you can
tap into.
Eric Nantz: Absolutely, there's at least 25,000 packages and our
package repository called cran, which is called the
Comprehensive our archive network, which is kind of
similar if you see pandas, so you found exactly the words on
my mouth. But then that's not counting all the ones that are
just on GitHub, or Bitbucket or other git lab. Others that they
just don't want it to be on cran. But they still want people
to install. So there's like 1000s of others just in that
space alone. And we cover like I said, almost any area you can
think of there's typically a package for it. Oh,
Dave Jones: well, that. Speaking of speaking of object storage,
and this is I don't know if if y'all had heard about this, but
have you heard of denial of wallet? Oh, no, that sounds bad.
This is sort of a new class of, of attack that you spent, I
don't know if it's across all object storage providers. But I
know it definitely applies to AWS, you can have so you still
get charged for puts for AWS Object Object Storage put
operations even if they fail. So basically some use somebody can
just flood a bucket of yours with failed puts and rack up
1000s of dollars in charges if on an open bid even if the
buckets and even if the buckets private I don't know if there's
been any effective way to stop this yet. But if you just
basically just get if you get targeted you just have to have
an uncomfortable conversation with with Amazon and beg them to
just you know killed the charges for you. Some of the what
something to watch out for some that have something to keep in
mind and watch out on your bill. Yeah, that's right. Cotton, Jen,
the attacker that yeah, they don't even have to be an AWS
customer. All they all they need is just some sort of library for
object storage, like even s3 CMD or something like that. And it
doesn't matter if you've got all the prior OSI turned on just
that just millions and billions of failed. Put transactions to
the object storage will rack will incur cost on your AWS
bill.
Adam Curry: 2020 nightmare 2022. heli pad spreadsheet is 15
Meg's.
Dave Jones: 15. Meg's that's not No, it's not bad.
Adam Curry: And let me see how many rows that is. Well, that's
2022. And it's 99,468 rows.
Dave Jones: Oh, that's not that's bad
Eric Nantz: enough. Yeah, that's,
Dave Jones: it isn't nothing. It has been in the back of my mind,
I've been worried about how big is this? You know, see, because
helipads just a web server on top of SQLite. This syncs with L
and D. So I'm like, Well, how big is this database gonna get?
I mean, when does it well,
Adam Curry: we have a problem where you really notice it is I
had to reinstall. So not just upgrade, but reinstall helipad,
and then helipad basically goes through your whole node and, and
reads everything in again. And I'd say took about 30 minutes.
So but, but it's reading back, you know, to 2022. So it's doing
quite a bit there. I'll just, I'll do some work on it. I'll
add to this conversation.
Dave Jones: Okay, cool.
Adam Curry: Can we talk about publisher feeds? Yes. I have a,
I have a use case. I have an important use case, which I'd
like to talk about. Okay. So I've been invited to speak at
the N. RB and the NRA National Religious broadcasts, correct.
You nailed it. You nailed it, the knot and total get as it
gets out? Well, you nailed it. And that's a big, it's like, you
know, it's like the National Broadcasters Association only
for Religious Broadcasters.
Dave Jones: Which I have nerd.
Adam Curry: Nerd a bunch of nerves, which I've accepted.
That's in February. But through this, you know, I said, Well,
what do you guys really dealing with the end, they had, there's
a huge problem. And I think we can solve some of that for them.
And I have some people who want to try it with us. And I was
thinking that perhaps the publisher feed works in this
context. So here's the lay of the land. There are about 3000
religious broadcast radio stations in the US. And, and
these stations, as you can imagine, there's some that are
doing quite well, but most of them are dying. And when I say
dying, you know, they're they're closing, they're off the base
that just keeping the transmitters going. And, and
they don't even have morning shows their own shows anymore of
the, you know, what they do is they're really just selling
their airtime. So you have big pastures and then religious
broadcast. Companies that make content and they buy airtime on
the stations. And then the programming themselves, they
solicit donations, they solicit they do the Ask it's a complete
value for value play, there's there are some ads stations with
ad but in general, that's kind of how it works. You have a
religious show religion, a religious show, you got to show
a faith based programming and view by the airtime on all the
stations and then you do your pitch and then people send you
the money so you can recycle them back paid back to the
stations. So they all know that they have to go digital and the
biggest so all of them have websites. And they'll then put
these they'll put the you know there's this some companies that
offer like kind of like a web app so you can integrate you
know, the programming that you already have and then add your
own programming. But the biggest problem of course, is
attribution. And that then when I say that it's like, how do
they know what station was responsible for somebody signing
up or sending a donation in your win right?
Dave Jones: Yeah, like Yeah, like because they don't have
like a vanity URLs. Yeah, there's
Adam Curry: a whole promo code bond Gino. Okay, so my pitch to
the Religious Broadcasters is as follows. And of course you were
talking value for value here because you know, and I and I
have to say I, I leaned heavily on the look how easy it is on
true fans to top up your wallet. You don't even have to mention
Bitcoin. You just need to buy five bucks you use your Google
Pay or your Apple Pay and you're good to go. So the question is,
if I'm a station in Houston, and And I have a publisher feed. Let
me see if I'm explaining this right way. So I would like to
say, hey, because of course they have they have their own, you
know, the liners that the station runs, yeah, hey, this is
k, k God in Houston. And, you know, check out k God on a Euro,
your modern podcast app. And you go in there, and they find que
God, it's a publisher feed. And this is the way I envision it.
And I just want to know if it's possible. So the publisher feed
would then have, you know, Tony Evans and focus on the family
and you know, Bill Higgs, and you know, anyone I can think of
the ones that they have on their station, but the ones that they
have a relationship with Him so that the radio station is
essentially saying, Get any podcast app, find k God in your
app, and there will be all the stations that we endorse,
including, this is my my big pitch, including our new our new
local show, because it's so much cheaper to produce now. Can you
have as a publisher, so if I'm Tony Evans, and I have a podcast
that is running on K God in that, can I put that in their
publisher feed? Can I have multiple? Can I be in multiple
publisher feeds if I have an agreed relationship with them?
So yes, how is that verified? How was that? How can you check
if someone puts it in and they're not really there? And
the second part is, can I then also receive a portion of the
value block because these are remote items, so that I
automatically get my my VIG, the minute someone donates, and that
we don't have to go through that whole rigmarole of buying of
buying a piece of my presence in the apps. Does that make sense?
Dave Jones: The first part makes sense. I'm not sure I followed
100%. On the second part, whoever did so the first first
part first. So the the publisher feeds don't consider there's a
difference between the technical implementation in this sort of
conceptual implementation. Conceptually, it's meant that it
was it was kind of we came up with it. For one, it was it was
dreamed up for one reason for one sort of use case, and that
was, one person owns multiple podcasts. I know, I
Adam Curry: understand. That was the original idea. But
Dave Jones: that, but there's nothing but that's just a
concept, it doesn't mean that it cannot be used for other
reasons. mean, like, so in this case, in my use case, it doesn't
mean as the eggs it also doesn't mean it's the appropriate use.
Like, it's kind of both ways. I mean, like it does, can you do
it? Yes. Should you do it? I don't know. Like, there may be a
better way to do it. Okay, well,
Adam Curry: so the idea is, if we have, basically I'm looking
at the publisher feed as a channel, but I also see that
local Houston entity is a publisher is not the creator. So
now it comes in interpretation of Publisher, but forget about
that, because we can make something else if this doesn't
fit. But they're a publisher, they publish in their channel,
which should they promote, they actively promote, hey, listen to
all these these cool shows in our channel in any podcast app,
then you want to go there because we also have our own
podcast. And you know, we have special offers, fill in the
blank. So then there has, so what I like about the publisher
feed is you have a verification, so that you can check in the
original, in this case, Tony Evans feed, you can check that
Oh, yes, indeed, they really are a part of this publisher, but
they can be part of multiple publishers around the country or
around the world.
Dave Jones: Okay, so let me see. So you would have Yeah, this is
kind of where I've, this I think I understood what you were
saying. Because this this is a little bit. It kind of flips
what on earth? Conceptually, it flips it around. Yes, it does.
It does. It does instead of one publisher, many feeds sort of
like mini feeds one, or this is sort of like mini publishers one
feed. Like there's so you have Tony Evans feed, who could exist
in multiple published Yes.
Adam Curry: And the reason why it's important is because I
guess technically the app would verify or something. There's a
verifications like oh, okay, these two are indeed connected.
Now that connection is done by consensus between those two
parties offline. You know, say hey, you can put us in and we
and we will verify by putting in our feed that yes, you are an
official publisher distributor radio station, call away you
want it Then the critical part, the critical part is when
someone sends value, can the station then right away, get a
pre arranged split in the value block because they are an
approved publisher?
Dave Jones: I think what I think what you're saying would work
yeah.
Adam Curry: The enthusiasm and the certainty of how you
answered that has me worried.
Dave Jones: This downtrend. I'm trying to think of downsides
before I say, yeah.
Adam Curry: And the reason why I ask is because I have stations,
and I have publishers who are very excited about the idea.
Dave Jones: Okay, so what I'm thinking of, though, is that, is
it appropriate to have? Is that the right thing to do to have a
publisher feed for this scenario versus just a playlist?
Adam Curry: Well, this the verification part that I think
is important, I mean, I figured could also do it with a pod roll
technically. But I don't know. I mean, I like the idea of being
able to go into a podcast app and search for k g, O D radio
station. And that will be a collection of feeds that that
station endorses, and they maintain that list, that list is
verified. So they can just add people who aren't actually
verified as as affiliates, because they are going to then
as their broadcast towers slowly melt into the mud of climate
change, they will be able to promote their channel in the
modern podcast apps. Because the thing is, they know they're not
getting young people anymore. They know that's over. And so
they're trying to fit what do we do with this asset? Well, we
move in because they still want to broadcast. And they still
want to keep their local flavor, which is important, which is
what radio is good at. So whatever the system is, that's
what I need. Because I think there's a huge, particularly as
radio is is shifting. And you have Ms. NPR could do this too.
But you know, NPR, but they could do the exact same thing
with their local stations. They could say, hey, go to Kuku t,
this the Austin NPR station. And normally they buy all the all
this programming. So you can hear Terry Gross. Now, they may
also have their local shows, and you go to any modern podcast
app, you search K UT, and and yes, you can get their local
programming, but here is there, boom, there's their channel,
there's their publisher feed, whatever we call it, there's
that thing. And underneath that it has all these feeds, the
value block splits are all set up in the background, and it's
an approved, verified system. So that, you know, they should they
they, in a perfect world, the app would only show feeds that
are verified through that through that feed pointing back
to that publisher, when that when that channel comes up. Wow,
have I explained that right?
Dave Jones: You're I think what's throwing me off is the
value flow part. No. Are you saying that there's value
flowing through to the publisher? Yeah,
Unknown: so we're okay. Yeah, automatically,
Dave Jones: because the publisher feed itself doesn't
have a value blog. There's no reason it can't, but it doesn't
have one. Like, as of right now, that wasn't really
Adam Curry: well, I guess. Well, because when I looked at the at
the publisher feed spec, they're all remote items. Right? Right.
So I could then I'm just presuming I can then say
alright, I'm a publisher. I've these are my verified shows. So
they're they're they're showing in my feed when someone boosts
Can we somehow tie in the value block for that station? For a
pre arranged percentage 10% Whatever. Just like we do with
value time split doors that they might complicating things too
much.
Dave Jones: It would be it would be better if the publisher feed
had the value blog in it. Yeah. Which there's no reason it
can't.
Adam Curry: I'm breaking your brain more than Eric I love it.
I mean Dobby Das is in the biz rockin in the boardroom saying
yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's possible. Yes, yes, yes. But I
mean, he's way deeper deeper into it than I am. So.
Dave Jones: Yeah, no, there's a case. Just be clear. There is no
But look, there is no reason that a value blog cannot be in
the publisher feed. And it should. the only the only thing
is right now, that's not going to, that's going to go nowhere.
At this point, I mean, this the poster feed stuff is just it's
so brand new.
Adam Curry: Well, that's why I'm trying to insert everything now.
Like, can we change something? Or is there if it needs to be
something else? That's okay. The
Dave Jones: know the way this stuff is all built? Is this all
built on? You know, their, their widgets? You know, they're
plugged, they're these pieces plugged together? I mean, the
brilliant part of this that Alex came up with was the remote
item. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Which, you know, because once you have
that piece, you can just plug things in. And so a publisher
feed is just an RSS feed is just a podcast feed. So you can plug
anything in it. But but the what you have to do in order for it
to actually function in, in the way you intend, is you have to
have app level support? Of course, of course, of course,
Adam Curry: I know that so that
Dave Jones: when you're listening, it has the app knows
to look for these things. Yes. And this, if that's the if
that's the case. And you have that, yeah, there's no reason
that wouldn't work
Adam Curry: isn't maybe, because I can see so many you even with
music, I can see. So I can I understand how publisher feeds
work with music. And it's really just terminology, because all
versions of the same thing. So in this case, I'm really talking
about a distributor feed. And what does that mean? That means
that the distributor is promoting actively promoting
their channel, their distribution channel, and they
have relationship with the feeds that are provided in that
channel. And what I'd like to add to that is that that
relationship flows all the way through to value time split,
that the apps recognize that so this is the attribution part I
was talking about. So if, if k God and Houston is promoting the
crap out of their, their, their K God channel in the modern
podcast apps, maybe they even do a deal with, with true fans and
with fountain and with POD verse, and say, Hey, promote our
promote our K God channel, that then people go to the app, they
hit it. And then as they're listening to any of those
podcasts in it. So I would presume that you would actually
subscribe to the K God distribution channel, one, click
subscribe, and you get all of the new episodes from
everything. Underneath that now, you could always go and find
Tony Evans yourself. But then when, when, when you when you're
playing, when you're listening, then automatically a piece goes
back to the distribution channel, because they promoted
it.
Dave Jones: See, this is what okay, this is what keeps
bringing me back to the to the idea that there may there may be
better than just have this thing be a playlist. This in this
sense, because the key God there, they would have just a
normal podcast feed. Yeah. And they're going to have and
they're going to be put in what they would be publishing is
remote items from from Tony Evans feed or all these other
feeds. And then they built into that they would have the value
block in the item just directly, right. So go ahead. And then and
that's already that's already accounted for, because you
really don't need the two way verification in this sense. I
mean, the two way verification, because what because what you're
doing, you're going to kg ODS feed, they created that feed,
and they're not, they're not claiming that they're owned by
that they own these other things. They're not making that
claim. That's what the publisher feed concept does. Okay, it
could publish with a concept makes an ownership claim, right?
The the playlist just makes just makes an assertion that here is
I'm giving you a link to this other content. And for that, for
that benefit. I want to get a piece of of the action. Yeah. So
if kg Oh, D just has a playlist fee but basically public medium
equals playlist one of the playlist categories, then there
are a podcast that all is part of what it would be medium
because podcast L, they can then have a links to all the to all
these content, all this content, and they just controlled the
split directly. Okay.
Adam Curry: Okay, now just bear with me. I like it. So one last
question. Okay, so the remote items, can the remote items,
just say any new episode from these feeds or does not have to
be items individually to they have to go in and edit and say
okay, we want the latest Tony Evans who want the latest this
the latest that the latest this?
Dave Jones: It could be it would have to be specific. Okay,
though, it has to be less specifically identified. But I
would think NEC and you know, CMS can be could do that could
pull the latest and insert that data in there doesn't sound like
a barrier to me. Okay. Alright, guys. We can mark it up, you
know, like, like, yeah, we
Adam Curry: need to Jesus feed mock up. And yeah. Yeah, mocking
it up would actually be good just wouldn't get our heads
around it then. And I wouldn't be pushing this this hard. If I
didn't have a real world scenario, and people actually
excited about this, who are in trouble? And who, and who want
to move to a new realm and have big towers to broadcast and
promote this stuff, promote our apps promote value for value
promote the whole thing. And and they want to play? You know, so
I really, I'm very interested in trying to make this work.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think the the, I just feel like the
playlist is the best way. Yeah. Because, you know, Bs, Steven
bass, right? Publisher feeds are expecting to be pointing to
feeds and not not items.
Adam Curry: Which is what I was kind of looking for I was kind
of looking for. It's almost like an OPML file, you know, where
you subscribe to an OPML. file? And then right, and then you
just you get the new episodes automatically, instead of there
being a secondary process?
Dave Jones: Yes. I think what you're envisioning is a way to
make make it sort of easy to syndicate.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was totally about syndication as complete.
That's entirely what it is. Because
Dave Jones: you, like in your mind, you're saying, Okay, well,
I just want to put this feed in here. And then, and then that
automatically just gets all the content, right.
Adam Curry: But people subscribe to one feed, the K Gods feed,
and then they get all that content when it comes out. And
the only, which I know is possible with the publisher
feed, even though that's more of an ownership, I get it all. But
that's what kind of struck me it's like, wow, this is a cool
way to do it. And then we just want the attribution part, which
is the Okay, so when I'm listening to this new episode,
which is a remote item comes from some other from the Tony
Evans fee, but I'm listening to it in this one feed that I'm
subscribed to, then I want the value block stuff to also work
as a as a remote as a value time split.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm just concerned about the, I'm
concerned about the connectivity not going through correctly on
the app side. Was that, like, you sort of like that concept
you have have? Is, is intended to be it does exist on the on
the app, if they support publisher fees, but it's meant
to be loose. You know, it's meant to be like a loose
connection between feeds and their publisher. And what I mean
by loose is, I mean, like they don't, you can just you can
decide at any time, okay, I'm gonna go find out who the
publisher is. Or I'm going to find out which feeds these
publisher owns. What you need to do, the thing that you're
talking about is sort of a tight coupling. Yeah. Because you're
you need a tighter coupling that's more akin to value time
split, yes. Where, where that where the, the content that's
being played at any moment really is tied to the publisher.
Like it needs to be because money is being sent. And so at
any given time, the podcast app needs to know what it's like the
exact relationship between these two entities. And I don't and I
think that the proper conceptually the proper use for
that is a playlists, okay? If there's something about, like, I
don't mind marking this up, I can, I can do that. And if
they're in the process, if if we find that there's something that
doesn't work, I mean, we can also we can always, you know,
add to this bag to make it,
Adam Curry: I love it. I love it. Because so I mean, so at
least you understand the elements. The idea is radio
station has relationship with publishers, whether that's
however that is, and for that relationship, that means that
they can promote one feed, subscribe to this in your modern
podcast app. And I'm envisioning, you know, radio
stations blasting out names of apps. Okay. I mean, this is this
is where I'm going, I'm going big. And, you know, like the
full monty because it's that is that dire? Really, I mean, they
want stupid Adam curry used to come and talk, you know, it was
like that, like, oh my god, what m&ms Does he want only red and
green. So you know, they're very desperate, the very desperate
big bowl, the ferret desperate to understand how they can move
into the digital era with this with this content, syndication
method, so that they provide value, but then they right away
get a piece of the value instead of this old fashioned buying,
you know, then putting they actually have the act, there's a
CMS type system called M M boss or something, am B O S, that
does a lot of this distribution stuff automatically. And
everyone's sick of it, you know, it's like, we need to move to
digital and they don't know how to do it. And but the value
there's such huge value for the next 10 years in these towers,
broadcasting subscribe to K God on on your modern podcast app.
And then all the other stuff we have to fix for them. That's the
podcasting. 2.0 part. The end. So that's what I'd like to
deliver because it is exactly the same thing. NPR needs, by
the way, whether they're smart enough to realize it or not. Era
Yes, though, it's big. It's a really big idea. Well,
Dave Jones: okay, so if you look at the podcast namespace and
look under the medium tag, in the examples, there's an
example. That is basically this, except it's using in this
scenario, it's using music as an example. But this is but it's
essentially the same thing. Except this would not be a music
example, this would just be a podcast example. But it's
basically saying podcast is meat. And here is music. L So
instead of that, in this scenario would be podcast L.
Yeah. And you would just have a list of of remote items and
evaluate Sam
Adam Curry: Seth is in the boardroom and he's saying hey,
you know this we do this we this works that Sam you should be
boosting that hello what happened? What happened to the
income stream Sam used to be boosted ramming that the trigger
sound let's mock it up. Dave, you and I will work on this
market because that would be some hot stuff, man. Hi, there's
no super hot market up Hey, should we take a little break
and listen to some music and then we'll come back and talk
some more nerd stuff
Dave Jones: before we do this? Eric Are you Are you okay?
Eric Nantz: I'm good. Yeah. Join us like everyone else.
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to podcasting. 2.0 we played them before they are the trusted
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that you heard it on podcasting 2.0 Episode 179 Here's your
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Adam Curry: lecture Domesday, the trusted on your podcasting
team. Yeah, I love those guys I think are great. Just one other
thing because there's another outfit I've been talking to just
to get everyone all excited because I'm bringing the
Satoshis baby there is a new media startup, probably the best
funded since Axios. Man that like $15 million, I think they
already have have raised for this and they're going to be
doing a monthly, like big with an audience, this interview type
setting with multiple hosts, I mean think I think a rock and
roll version of a debate, but not it's not really a debate.
And they're going real big with this. And I've been asked to be
an advisor, which as you know, I don't do. But I did say let me
stop you before you make some big mistakes because they
already Yeah, we're gonna build an app and everybody will watch
it on that app. Say you're an idiot. Stop, stop, stop. And
then so I laid it all out for with my explained to you all
these features you have in your app, we already have that. And
it's an all these apps. And then when I showed him the late
stuff, they went nuts, like how can I say you can do voting, you
can have all kinds of like, well, this is what we need. This
is what we want. So I just want to say I'm working for y'all.
I'm working. I'm working. I'm working. I'm working on the
railroad all the live long day to to poopoo.
Dave Jones: It this is a this is a Todd Cochran level secret
company that cannot be named? Not
Adam Curry: yet. No. But within within hours by July, they'll be
able to be to be named I mean, I don't want when they have their
sizzle reel, then we'll all know what it's about. But I
specifically actually I said, Hey, you know, look at all these
apps. But if you want to see what's possible, look at true
fans. Because if you want to, if you want to see all the stuff
that's out there, if you want to see everything that's possible,
it's all these features you've been talking about. Here it is,
Dave Jones: if you want to see everything that's possible, and
some things that are not Yeah,
Adam Curry: some things are completely impossible, but yet
the true fans.fm. But, you know, they they just, you know, they
they know about a lot of our apps already. And they're just
so I just took them away from him with some for some reason.
They have this belief that and I'm sure some app company told
them this, that they could not get high quality video unless it
was native and apps.
Dave Jones: I don't know what that means, like, yeah, exactly.
Adam Curry: bullcrap. So they were told, because it's a video,
it's a video thing. Yeah, we're told that unless they go with a
native app, then they'll never get the high quality video
they're looking for. That's total horse here.
Dave Jones: Does that. Yeah.
Adam Curry: It says total horse drive that. Yeah, this is
totally not true. So that's the level I'm dealing with. But
we're working on it. We're
Dave Jones: working on it. Yes, you're evangelizing I, of
Adam Curry: course I am. In more ways than one day for more ways
than
Dave Jones: press the lights bringing them in. That's right.
Adam Curry: That's right. From all nations, all nations.
Dave Jones: Do you want to I've got a couple of things on mine.
Yes, of course. Do you have. Do you want to talk about the open
podcast sinking? yeah that Jack Jack Dorsey's interview about
Adam Curry: I didn't see Jack Dorsey's interview, but I had no
idea what you're talking about.
Dave Jones: Oh, you did? He did an interview in this in this
thing called pirate wires. Okay, that wasn't aware of this outfit
pirate wires.com. He just talked a lot about about social media
and being way out I mean, I don't know. What do you want to
you want to get you want to go? techie want to go nerdy?
Adam Curry: Well, let me let me just let me just say, let me say
one thing, I'll say one thing, and then you take it wherever
you want to go. But just wanted to discuss the latest Apple ad.
That is so controversial, I'd
Dave Jones: do this this ad. I don't see why this is such a big
deal. It's just a bunch of it's just marketing crap. Ah,
Adam Curry: this is why this is why I wanted to give you my
opinion, which as you know, is the most important thing to me.
Apple, because you know, as compared to the 1984, the
introduction of the Mac, you know, the big brother thrown the
sledgehammer through the screen. Apple is known, and the company,
the actual DNA of the company, when Steve Jobs was there, and
then he went away, and he came back was, it was Steve Jobs was
a messianic like figure, Steve Jobs was a creator. And here's
where I'm gonna use that term that he created. He created art,
he created beautiful machines. He, he wanted to create things
that people could create things, building up a creative creating,
making, giving beauty to the world, the culture and Apple is
now Satan. Because they went completely destructive. It that
shows you that Apple, I'm short Apple, because that shows you
the culture inside their company has now become destructive.
That's where that comes from. They showed destruction instead
of creation, very telling for me about the zeitgeist, the vibe,
the DNA and the soul of Apple has flipped, they have gone
dark.
Dave Jones: That's an interesting take. Okay, so like,
I just saw this as an ad, like every other ad is just like,
whatever. I mean, I have I have no reaction to things like this,
because I'm like, it's just, it's just marketing me. Like,
it's like, scrubbing bubbles in your toilet for your toilet.
Like, who cares? I'm just writing psychological take on
this that I had not considered. But I've
Adam Curry: been in I've had an advertising agency, these
things, they, you know, if they didn't come from within the
company, they, especially these aspirational type things. They
come from within the soul of the company. And then particularly
with an apple, they don't just put these big ads out and put it
this a very expensive ad. They come with a lot of approvals.
They go through a lot of processes, a lot of people that
you know, steering committees, they have to think about it. And
the soul of Apple is now destructive. I mean, this is
something that I mean, you know, we once did a Super Bowl ad for
Oracle, oh, man, it was it was fields of wheat, and it was
beautiful and windmills. And yeah, it was all fantastic. And
I know how these things are made and how it gets, you know, Larry
Ellison had to be personally involved. And, you know, we had
the conceit of the entire campaign, you know, all these
fancy marketing words, this stuff only gets through and that
is the soul of the company. And when I started I don't give a
crap I don't have Mac stuff anymore. But I don't have an I
used to be a big, big Apple fanboy until they screwed up
USB. And but they've always they've always given the this is
for the crazy ones, you know, this is the uplifting building
and when you show destruction like that, bad marketing is
important marketing determines the determines what you are
saying about yourself as a company Apple, you know, Apple
never said you know, we have the fastest we have the this, you
know, it was like, here's what you can do with it. That was
it's actually one of the there's a famous video called What is
your why? And I forget the guy who does that. And he uses Apple
as as an example. And Apple was so different particularly in the
market because let's face it. Apple computers pretty much
sucked up until OSX. I mean, there was a lot of issues
compared to what else was out there. But it would had such a
cool, you know, just had such an incredible Inspirational vibe to
have. That's why people who create things create art have
always been drawn to it. But now it's like, no, no, no, you're
evil now, anyway, that was just my opinion.
Dave Jones: not thought of it in those terms, Simon
Adam Curry: Sinek, I think is the guy's name find your why
Simon Sinek
Dave Jones: it one thing I've always been interested in is how
this sort of goes back to, to your theory about a sort of a
dimension, a dimension V type thing where you have where
people read. I mean, we all do this. It's not, it's not any one
person ever, humanity does this, we all read the actions of
others into our, through our own lens, sure we bring, we bring a
worldview or a framework to other people's words and
actions, that we then interpret what they have done and said, in
a way that makes sense to based on our background and our life
experiences. So we sit, we essentially listen to what
people say, watch what they do. And then we tell ourselves a
story about what they mean, by do, but what those things mean.
And I'm always interested in what the story is that we tell
ourselves about these things that that are out there. One
thing I used to always enjoy doing is posting a headline, I
like these ambiguous. I would read an article. And, and
sometimes the headline is ambiguous. It is a it's a thing
that can go either way, like left or right. You know, in sort
of, like, either way, and then you just post it. And you see
how people react to it. They're like, yeah, or no, or like it's
but but really, it's like, if you the intent of the article is
one way, but people would read it both ways. So I guess what
I'm saying is one thing that I didn't think about with this ad
is since people are reading it as the way you said as
destruction. And I mean, clearly that's what it is. But what I
mean is I ignored the fact that it got so many people so upset.
And that's probably
Adam Curry: a noteworthy occurrence.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it probably indicates that there's, it's
probably a good barometer for the way people's minds are
currently in culture. They're afraid. They're afraid of
people. They're afraid of corporations, governments, large
institutional players, crushing them. People, people feel
crushed. People feel like their jobs are going to be taken away
by technology. People feel like their dreams are being crushed
by the march forward of quote unquote, society. I
Adam Curry: think you're nailing it here.
Dave Jones: Total in book because people feel that way.
Because that's a sort of prevailing zeitgeist of the way
of in everyone's mind. There's a trip there's a says there's a
like a permeating trepidation of these sorts of things. You end
up with reactions to they're probably overreactions. But
their reactions that make sense based on what people already
have inside of them. You know, there's a there's a sort of the
story that people tell themselves about what they see
now is dark. Because they they expect it to be dark. It that's
the way things feel right now. Yeah. And so that I think, yeah,
that you I accept your reprimand.
Accepted. Yeah, there's there's a there's a Do you know the term
actinic actinic? No, it's like, it means like it's the sort of
chemical damage that happens when, with like, high energy
lie. It's like an ultraviolet damage that happens. It damages
and damages like tissue chemically based on light
energy. This feels like that sort of thing. This This feels
like an actinic moment where Apple thought they were doing
something very cute and very progressive. And very, like,
look look at how amazing this is. Yeah. And their own
amazement add themselves cause damage. Hmm
Adam Curry: yeah, the meaning of actinic Relating to or resulting
from exhibiting chemical changes produced by radiant energy,
especially in visible and ultraviolet parts of the
spectrum.
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is this is a, this feels like they feel
a sort of they this this radiance that they want to
portray is ending up being harmful. This this this
portrayal of themselves and their products as soon as
amazing and
Adam Curry: they're sad. They're trying to be the light, but
they're frying everybody with it.
Dave Jones: It fried everybody's brain. Yeah, you know, you know,
what else put puts out a lot of light. Nuclear nuclear
explosions and lasers are not laser lasers. Yeah, I mean,
things that I think there's a point in which light is no
longer helpful. It's harmful. Yeah. And I think that their own
vision of themselves has become a little too pure.
Adam Curry: Also, I feel in general, and Eric fields, but
feel free to chime in whenever you want. Since we're doing
philosophy corner. I feel in general, that the way the people
are feeling today is they are gadget tired. They are tired of
gadgets and then tchotchkes that longterm under deliver Amazon
Alexa is biz comes to mind, right off the bat, how many
people I haven't heard say, not threw that thing out. Me all. I
did only set timers for me and I got some other speakers solution
for sound. I think that considering how people are
feeling about their pocketbook, you know, the next iPhone, you
know, it's like, no, no, it's like, what, what can you really
do for me? And, you know, and an AI is not really it, it's AI has
the same problem. noster has, you know, nostre is a, just a
social network, that doesn't work really well. And AI is just
a chatbot that gets it wrong all the time.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. You know, much as a really fast
chatbot for wrong answer. Yeah,
Adam Curry: my sister is in that in that she never ceases. She
has heard she got her master's in psychology, but she's an
online psychology that they have to ask her the the title like an
engineer, basically. And she works for tech companies. And
she uses whatever's available, whatever tools for search for
shopping sites. And, and so like big ones, like really big stuff.
And, and so she's doing a lot of custom MLMs for, for catalog
companies. And she says, Man, it's so expensive. And it's but
the companies are also in on it. And even. And I said, Well, you
know, I'm waiting for the pivot to quantities. Oh, no, we almost
missed that they're already all over at companies want quantum
computing for their search and recommendation. And from what
she has heard, Google actually has an outrageously good quantum
computer that can do exactly that type of search. But by the
time you add on all the features, she says is
unaffordable. There's no way in hell she says anyone's ever
going to use this stuff because of the affordability. And we're
going to run out of computing power and power itself to even
see if it works.
Dave Jones: So I believe I can believe that. Yeah, for sure
that that makes a lot of sense. There's a general fatigue.
There's a tech fatigue that is pervasive, pervasive right now.
That's right. It is so pervasive, I cannot tell you how
many people I talk to that so so there's a friend of mine that
did a was involved in a startup that they're, they're struggling
right now. Probably not going to make it and it was a very
forward looking startup. They can't sell it. They can't sell
this product has no money. It's no money. There's no money.
There's no money out there and you know Uh, that's the second
friend of mine that I've had who's had a startup failure in
the last in the last two years. There's just no appetite for
this stuff anymore. You know, we my wife's gotta get a fairly
decent new computer. And somebody sent her some PDFs the
other day a PDF attachments. And just to fill out like a W nine
or whatever to so they could she could take it 1099 Her first and
art work. And we cannot look, I've been a sysadmin for 28
years. I could not get these attachments to work. Does she
have an iPad? It knows a Mac is there is the basics within the
technology world do not work reliably. Yeah, they just don't
we, that the tech fatigue comes from, like, we used to be able
to get away from stuff. So you would come home. And you when
you entered your home. You You were disconnected from the world
at large. So you left the world and you came home. And that was
a sort of like a it was a respite
Adam Curry: you lose your kids
Dave Jones: after dinner after. So you know it was a it was a
respite from this constant. The world out here it's hard to deal
with because of course it is because humanity and and
brokenness and sin and all these kinds of things that we all deal
with is the world we live in. And it's it's there and it's
hard. And you come home and there's a there's a respite that
you get to enjoy until the next day, where you have to go and
you have to you have to toil again. Now the world follows us
around constantly into our homes into our bedrooms into there is
no relief.
Adam Curry: Yeah, we saw we saw this common. We saw it all
coming. Yet
Dave Jones: technology is not it's not. It has not been the
great liberator. Now, in a lot of sense, it has been a set of
shackles. Yes,
Adam Curry: I did have a vision though. I had a vision. I had a
vision. And here's the words that came out of my mouth. The
our podcast apps are about to become Swiss Army apps. There's
something going on with the media that we're consuming the
media that when I think it happened when I saw that chart
going up to 3000 feeds medium equals music. I'm like, these
apps are going to be the distribution apps in the future.
Because people are tired. They're tired of all these apps
for your streaming and your for this and you for that and all
these things. And it'll all just work in your Swiss Army app.
Dave Jones: I want audio books in my chest and
Adam Curry: yes, of course. Of course you're gonna get it
you're going to I promise you
Dave Jones: I want I want that I've been listening to a lot of
audiobooks lately. Not as many podcasts and man I could I would
tear up some audio books in my in pay for and dead stream sets
all day.
Adam Curry: I'm a big audio book guy big. I mean, I that's how I
read books. You know, I read so much I'm tired of reading so I
just want to hear it just just read it to me daddy. Me
Dave Jones: too. Yeah, I mean I pay we pay 25 bucks a month.
Yeah, like big. The top tier audible Yeah, and then you got
scription you have
Adam Curry: 8000 credits well you don't use them they're gonna
go away. I mean, we do value value please please
Dave Jones: let me stream I mean, there's so many good
narrators out there that with great pipes that could read all
kinds of books and just make a really good living off that
Yeah. On to point A What do you say
Eric Nantz: to them? I'm an audio chunky as well.
Adam Curry: Yeah. What do you use
Eric Nantz: it's audible unfortunately but I'm waiting
for modern adoption of these and the apps the thing is
Adam Curry: ma'am this so liberating the money is non
existent for authors and publishers in Audible is
unbelievable. I toyed with the book for a while. And then they
showed me the the mechanics and the numbers. And basically you
will make no money off of that Amazon takes it all, all of it.
Dave Jones: In Spotify is audio book thing. That's just a that's
just a play to get there. Bundling does that you're not
going to make anything off that. So
Adam Curry: hence, the honesty, the openness, the enthusiasm The
grassroots the scissoring of podcasting 2.0 is the future.
Dave Jones: Podcasting 2.0 colon this scissoring? When a couple a
couple things, just things that happened this week, AP bridge
fixed a fixed bug in that. Yeah.
Adam Curry: What was the what was the what was the bug? So
Dave Jones: that was related to Mastodon author with a thing
called authorized fetch. Hmm. So what was happening was people
were trying to save people from certain instances like Mastodon,
if you have this mode turned on, you can go in there and enable a
thing in Mastodon called authorized fetch, but also other
other activity pub platforms have this to like miski and
Sharky. And in that thing, there's some others. It
basically just enforces HTTP requests signing on every call,
not just posting. So for activity, pub, for many activity
platforms, they require HTTP signing. That means you have to
you have a private key. And you have to send your public key and
the hash the signed hash with or the sign digest in the HTTP
headers with the request if you're going to post a note. But
and that's all it's only it's only for posting, but then, and
things like follows. But authorize fetched in fetch
enforces it for every single call, even calls simple calls,
like acts act asking for an actor. So that's, that was it.
So we just had to start signing every request. And now that's
fixed. It should be we should be good.
Adam Curry: It was interesting in that conversation I had about
the just new media company. I was talking to him about
activity pub, and they really liked BA, they had no idea and I
started to explain it to him, and you saw their eyes. And I
was like, you know, once you can get them past the idea of
Mastodon and like this just hooks applications together. And
you can communicate I mean, then they're like, Wow, in the I
always use the washing machine. Like my washing machine can tell
me that a load has done that I can publish it here. And I can
get it over here.
Dave Jones: On master. Now, but yeah, they like to have can tell
me that the laundry is the dryer is finished.
Adam Curry: We know people who understand media and
syndication, they get this really quick when you put it
into terms that they understand like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah.
Dave Jones: The API's. Now, publishing is now reporting the
publisher medium correctly, it was not doing that before, get
got a couple more things to do. And the API for full publisher
mediums, support. I've got to add support for, like, into the
endpoints got to deliver that remote items correctly. So that
when you have a publisher feed, it'll it'll give you the remote
items
Adam Curry: mean, like it should, right? That was yeah,
that you need to fix that. Yes, I remember that. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, just need some. We just need full support.
I just gotta get in there and do it. Dovid I don't know if you
saw this Dobby. Das has a live stream test. Yeah. 24/7
switching
Adam Curry: blocks every minute or something. Huh? Yeah, that's
cool.
Dave Jones: So if anybody's wanting to support live streams
with value blocks, or I mean, or just live streams in general,
with your podcast app, yeah. Go hook into WDS as live stream.
And that way you can, you know, sandbox, your app.
Adam Curry: I love all of our hosting providers, all of them
for so many reasons. And especially the big ones who
support this, but also help me move when you know, when you
have a Buzzsprout adding a tag. It really moves stuff. Yeah, it
does. But I'm also so excited by the 2.0 native guys, like Dobby
das and Barry. I mean, I'd like to see more. You know, I
understand how the numbers work. You know, if you're, if you're
one guy, and you can do it all and you can develop and you
could make it all work. And you get you know, you got 1000
paying customers. You got a business.
Dave Jones: That's not Yeah, that's where the scissors are.
Small guys. Yeah,
Adam Curry: exactly. And there's a lot of scissoring going on
with those small guys that tell y'all. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I think yeah, I think that's about
it. We can talk about open podcasts and KPI next week. We
get some people to thank probably,
Adam Curry: Eric, anything else before we go into our thank
yous?
Eric Nantz: Oh, it's been lots of fun to join you all and if
you have, of course any feedback on this A famous dashboard. It's
just a GitHub issue away or shout me out i Macedon that goes
anyone out there? I'm really eager to improve that a lot. We
love
Adam Curry: what you're doing, man, we love that you're part of
the gang. It's it's great to have we have such a cool,
eclectic, varied bunch.
Eric Nantz: Oh, it's a good writing. I really, really feel
great to be a part of this. And I wish I could bring some of
that same energy to the audience that I have for my little
podcast called our weekly highlights. I haven't quite
caught on the value value train yet, but I keep trying to unplug
it. What's
Adam Curry: the where do we find is our our weekly highlights? Is
that what it's called? Yep, yep. In any in any modern podcast
app. I'm presuming.
Eric Nantz: That's right. It's even got the fancy chapter
images and links and all that. Nice.
Dave Jones: podcast number 1062040. Just in
Adam Curry: case you're keeping track. All right, let me run
down the booths. We've gotten quite a few booths live and then
we'll thank people who have come in throughout the week call
McCormack. 2222. thrown my name in the ring for V for V
narration and voice acting services on anyone's audio book.
Brilliant opportunity. I agree. 2222 from Steven B. He says we
need more philosophical ponderings from Dave some of the
best most thoughtful content Yes, that's what we're all
about. Eric peepee, where the 3333 shred word with 1000 SATs
one of the doorbells Dave's getting very deep and
philosophical could use more of this under the 2.0 for man I'm
telling you until you shred word again with 1000 SATs was an
Apple fanboy to iPhone seven when Steve Jobs passed the
company changed course. Been on Android and open source ever
since Apple is evolved. Dred Scott Dred Scott with a 666
Satoshis Apple boost question mark. Yes. Then we go to another
SRX Edward Oh, he boosted during the during the song from the
trusted and he said heard it on P 2.0. Thank you 3333 From
Shedra there's no better industry to be first in on the
cutting edge of V four v then religious broadcasting. That's
right. Well, they were the first ones who showed up. You know 20
years ago. The God casters were there first. Another 1500 from
shred word. extrordinary. Talk today Adams going big. There Sam
Sethi with 1000 sad saying I'm totally lost. I'm not sure what
point of the conversation that was but somewhere we lost Sam.
Guy Martin 9999 I have no idea what you guys are saying but I
love hearing totally competent people talk about their field of
expertise. You go Dred Scott with a short row 2222 of the
ducks boosting the duck DB salty crayon let's do to do did it for
the ducks. He says 5150 from the tone record Friday running with
scissors boost and I just figured that might be 5150 that
says oh yeah, that might be a good one for a sound file. says
oh says Oh 5150 2220 from like Mike Newman sending ducks for
the testing. By the way the the so Chad F got the 777 that's the
harp 22,222 should have fired off a duck boost. And then we
had the Oh striper boost no one's had a striper booths which
is 77,777 No, no,
Dave Jones: no believe somebody just got a 777 Yeah, no, the
seven.
Adam Curry: Three sevens is the harp. five sevens is the striper
boost.
Dave Jones: I haven't heard anything come through the
soundboard and no no, no, no
Adam Curry: people are out of sets. Ran they ran dry. Fill in
their wallets. 11 Allah 11,111 row of sticks from champ how
does the splits affect this? If the goal is to hit a certain
number with a trigger, see the initial boost number or after
the splits are made. Okay, chimp. So in helipad, you can
choose to see the total number sent or the just the amount you
received. I've chosen the total number and the the boosts
actions. The actions are based on the whole number. Then we
have as Jim should have gotten because he said 22,222 And I
would say that's the proper amount but I think we had the
overlapping sounds there so I'm sorry, it didn't fire off.
Pfeiffer freedom boost 1776. That's something I could put a
sound in for Jad F with a whole bunch of triple sevens. Dred
Scott 3141 10,000. From Sam, as we already heard, Eric, our
podcast Eric 12345. And he says How about this super secure
password boost? Yes, yes, I should automatically send you my
private key. When when you lose that I'll do that in the
Eric Nantz: database access. Right. I just did it all.
Adam Curry: Let me see. Then we had just a lot of people testing
out different booster mounts and A millennial props to Eric
massive pee pee on the helipad update already tied it into my
setup s way go. With a boo boost. Hard Hat 3333 boosting it
works. Yes, we got the Boo Boos from blueberry. And oh yes
important to know that they're doing a live Battle of the
Bands. Right after no agenda on June 30. We had four artists
confirm and just five days, there'll be a live Battle of the
Bands. There's your triple seven. That's an Eric DP. That's
Eric. PP. Exactly. Yes, that's gonna be a cool one. All right,
everybody calm down. I still got 777 SATs in here somewhere. I
can use that. Yeah, so that's going to be I think a great
show. Looking forward to that. Give me some details. Guys. Give
me something to link to. Which actually see here, and we'll
promote that of course. More Testing, testing, testing.
That's it. I hit the delimiter There you go.
Dave Jones: Now Nice. We've got some pussy guess. Pay pals?
Oscar Mary. sent us $200
Adam Curry: Oh, Oscar. I think that
Unknown: 20 is blades on the Impala. Very nice.
Dave Jones: Thank you Oscar in the boys over there at fountains
appreciate that as always. We get Mitch in crayon and cow over
there at pod verse LLC headquarters. $50
Adam Curry: Thank you. Beautiful. Appreciate that.
Dave Jones: Appreciate that. And Mitch is back in the saddle.
He's He's unburned out on Fridays back all right, he's on
Friday. On Friday. Get some booster grams I'll see. To make
sure I'm in the right spot here. Yes, I am. Todd from Northern
Virginia 11111 Big satchel Richards from tippet tub. Pod
verse he says come for the hot namespace talk stay for the 60
SQL go podcast.
Adam Curry: Yes and I did get the did get the entire Hot
Pursuit movie in a decent quality so I'm pulling clips
pulling clips. What are my archive? I'm
Dave Jones: very good at in better audio than you had last
week. Yeah, after
Adam Curry: the show we're like Hey, I think I found it we
listened to it man it is bad it is capital bad and I'm not
talking to Michael Jackson bad is bad.
Dave Jones: Please pull clips of get
Adam Curry: good stuff pull some hot pursuit clips. Okay.
Dave Jones: Normal Ross podcasts and everybody Karen down there
in, in Australia from 1111 through found and he says I've
done some book reviews on my other podcast of amusing
ourselves to death and book wars about the suppose a death of
physical books. If anyone wants a condensed version of these
points. Technology can be summed up as just because we can
doesn't mean we will. That's right. So to carry on 1985 for
through the fountain app, he says was waiting to hear Doc
Brown bust in and Yale 1.2 jigowatts. That sucker will have
to be nuclear powered AI. That's right. That's right. 1111 a
central Richards from old norm. Here's all nor old normal. Sick
track. Heard it on podcast and 2.0 episodes. 178 Oh, nice.
Thank you. Norm. Appreciate the Oh Nora. Thank you Eleanor 5000
SATs from anonymous. Through pod verse. Rumor has it Larry
Bladerunner was once hired to direct an adult film. The movie
was a flop but it gave birth to the multiple orgasms genre.
Adam Curry: Oh, there's information I didn't need. I
Dave Jones: don't know what he's talking about. Just
Adam Curry: a lot of genres on PornHub I guess. I
Dave Jones: guess. Larry Blattner have no idea who that
is. Alright, thanks anonymous. Appreciate this.
Adam Curry: Thank you for that info.
Dave Jones: Yes, that's great. 2420 from Nura cheers to the
award winning John Holden.
Adam Curry: That's my my nom de plume.
Dave Jones: Andrew Gromit, 2222 Road ducks, thank you for the
API. It's the gift that keeps on giving. And
Adam Curry: thank you for making that web framework. Andrew
grommets important is going to be really important moving
forward. Andrew
Dave Jones: is one of those guys that just sneaks around and pops
up with a feature just comes out of nowhere, you know, I
Adam Curry: also think he probably made a lot of money
somewhere. I got a feeling Andrew left my loser company,
and then went somewhere and had an IPO event or something after
feeling Andrews doing good and I'm happy for him. Good.
Dave Jones: Linkin Park rolls through fountain 10,000 SAS
price. Hey, guys, I'm not sure if this is a namespace thing.
But I think bookmarks would be a great addition to podcasts and
people know apps. I'm on the go when I'm listening to podcasts
most of the time, and it would be great to just hit a button on
my lock screen. to bookmark something I could clip or share
in the future. I know Pocket Casts has this as a premium
feature so maybe a collab with them as an order collab. PS
Adam, it will be awesome if you could come on ungovernable
misfits in the future peace diet.
Adam Curry: I'm sure we can work that out. Marking is a that's an
app feature. Right? That's native to the apps I guess.
Dave Jones: Yeah. I don't know that. That doesn't really feel
like a namespace.
Adam Curry: No.
Dave Jones: I feel like we're going back in time.
Adam Curry: It is my it is my retro go back in time harp. Yes.
Yeah. I'm gonna have to remove that one is too easy for y'all.
Okay.
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Adam Curry: Look at this group drip just posted a link to a
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he's out of control, out of control. But like I'll use it. I
use it dribble, use
Unknown: it for the art. That's great. Oh, nice.
Adam Curry: Thank you all very much. The whole project here has
value for value and what a fantastic amount of value we've
received today. I know we're all just playing around. But man,
what a great. What a great application helipad is and it
worked because it's such eolane Yes. And lots of SATs value for
value. And I love it. I love it. Eric p p send me your send me
your wallet. Man. I want to put you I want to put you in some
splits. You deserve it. We gotta you know, we've got a we've got
to remember our devs man who aren't necessarily in the flow.
So Alex gates, send me your split, man. Send me your split
info. We got to put some people into the splits. Make sure that
people who are doing this work, get get the value out of it as
well consider doing that on your own podcast, I would say Yeah.
Dave Jones: Alex is working on a project. Right now. hopefully
have some some some to report back on that here in the next
few weeks. Top secret popping project.
Adam Curry: Top secret, okay. And this is did you have an NDA
from you to say?
Dave Jones: Yes.
Adam Curry: Did you put him under NDA? Do you put them under
non compete?
Dave Jones: We're doing it all on Mineiro
Adam Curry: you know if someone would privacy coin if someone
want to do it be good for me. I'm fine with that.
Dave Jones: Man. There's a crackdown on privacy coins.
Hard. Like yeah, like some of those privacy coins like manera
getting like delisted off exchanges and stuff. Oh, really?
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what exactly is going on. I
don't really keep track of it. But I have subscribe to this
newsletter. It's like a like a crypto newsletter that talks
about all kinds of things and they've been talking about that
lately about all these all these privacy coins that have been
just like like evaporating getting their evaporating off
the exchanges, right. Well, people are
Adam Curry: scared. Yeah, of course. People don't want to go
to jail.
Dave Jones: When the tornado cash and all that stuff start.
Oh, be
Adam Curry: honest. They were doing they were advertising for
the criminals. Like yesterday. Okay. Yeah. So like, okay,
whatever. Good. Don't do that. No, don't just know it's not
it's not a good idea. Data scientists Eric. Man, thank you
so much for coming on the show today. Thank you for all that
you're doing. Really appreciate it. It's great to have you and
great to have a Hoosier on the show.
Eric Nantz: Oh, pleasure to be here. And thanks for cleaning up
the boardroom after that chaos last week. I tell you, my
goodness.
Dave Jones: Don't don't turn on the black line.
Adam Curry: Alright, everybody, Have yourselves a great weekend
boardroom. Thank you for being with us, Dave. Brother. Have a
good weekend. You too, man. And we'll be back. Next week. We'll
do it again. On Friday. We'll bring you another board meeting
of podcast Send 2.0 Till then take care have a great weekend
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