1 00:00:00,359 --> 00:00:05,009 Unknown: podcasting 2.0 for Friday, February 5 2021, Episode 2 00:00:05,009 --> 00:00:11,429 23 we're moving to Millie's lady's house. 3 00:00:12,539 --> 00:00:13,679 Millie satoshis 4 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:21,120 I love this day, not just because it's Friday, but because 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,930 it is the most fun day of the week where we have a meeting of 6 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:29,910 the Board of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org I'm Adam Curry 7 00:00:29,910 --> 00:00:33,750 here in Austin, Texas. And now ladies and gentlemen, the man 8 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:37,350 who knows the longitude and latitude of every feed. 9 00:00:41,490 --> 00:00:42,870 It's location time, baby. 10 00:00:44,010 --> 00:00:44,730 Yeah, 11 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:50,760 I like I like the, you know, I like Fauci term. I was thinking 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,490 about that the on the way here. I was like, you know, he always 13 00:00:53,490 --> 00:01:00,390 says, You got to get a boost. Marketing, perfect marketing for 14 00:01:00,390 --> 00:01:01,800 lightning. Right? 15 00:01:02,370 --> 00:01:04,350 You got to boost you got to boost the podcast. If you're 16 00:01:04,350 --> 00:01:10,260 listening right now. Give us a boost. Boost. Boost. Man the 17 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:12,210 booster would really make it happen. You know. 18 00:01:14,790 --> 00:01:17,640 We had the thing. The thing the 19 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:18,600 thing, you know the thing. 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,630 We had the the talk the lightning LMP thing this? Well? 21 00:01:24,630 --> 00:01:25,470 Yes. Yes, I 22 00:01:25,470 --> 00:01:28,080 was going to I was going to start right off the bat. We had 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,910 the dev zoom call on Tuesday. Okay, hold on a second, I have 24 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:37,350 not been able to shut up about this call. And Tina is now 25 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:38,520 almost annoyed with me. 26 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:43,560 I'm not annoyed with you, please. This 27 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:49,290 This was such a highlight for me for a number of reasons. I've, 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,740 you know, I've I've run big teams, I've had hundreds of 29 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:57,720 employees at the same time. I've run IT departments or had, you 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,120 know, oversight over IT departments work closely with 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:06,150 people who ran them. I've podcasting. You know, when we 32 00:02:06,150 --> 00:02:10,350 were working on that, you know, went up on two decades ago. It 33 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:14,460 was, you know, a really quite a fantastic field to see people 34 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:17,580 working together. But we had none of the tools that we had, 35 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:20,880 we didn't have GitHub. We didn't have we didn't have blogs. I 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,030 mean, blogs was barely a thing at the time. We just had kind of 37 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:27,390 RSS that was functional. We didn't have zoom calls. And then 38 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:31,080 to have I think we had at one point it'd be 18 different 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:38,490 people. On the zoom call, I was I was humbled by it. like holy 40 00:02:38,490 --> 00:02:41,880 crap. Look at all these people. And everyone had the cams on 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,500 which I really appreciated 42 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:47,700 that I'm usually not a cat. I'm not a camera guy. I liked that. 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,290 Yeah, no, I decided I was gonna have my cam on. And I think and 44 00:02:52,290 --> 00:02:55,290 I had a background just because I was messing around with dump 45 00:02:55,290 --> 00:03:00,300 software. And then Martin popped in and he had his pod friend HQ 46 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:02,880 background, which I thought was real at first, I'm like, wow, 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:03,390 this guy 48 00:03:05,130 --> 00:03:06,450 looks really good. Yeah, 49 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:09,390 as in Denmark got this shit together. And this podcasting 50 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:14,850 thing, according to, according to pod news is exploding in 51 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:15,510 Denmark, 52 00:03:15,810 --> 00:03:22,230 at 27%. I wonder why that is why they singled out as the growth 53 00:03:22,260 --> 00:03:25,440 as the growth location for podcasting. In Denmark. 54 00:03:27,060 --> 00:03:30,150 There were a number of things that I think probably well, 55 00:03:30,150 --> 00:03:34,050 first of all, they speak English so well. It's It's such a second 56 00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:34,950 language that, 57 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:35,760 you know, 58 00:03:35,790 --> 00:03:39,480 that's easy for them. There's a very low barrier. And I think as 59 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:44,640 as those guys, what is it Dr. Who done the survey, they say, 60 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,530 Well, you know, actually the Coronavirus helped I think 61 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:48,750 people want exploring, you know, they're tired of and they're 62 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:51,330 tired of hearing the Fauci boost. They're looking for a new 63 00:03:51,330 --> 00:03:53,520 boost. I'm looking for new boost baby 64 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:57,180 pod friends about the hat boost. Yeah, 65 00:03:57,180 --> 00:04:00,240 I will get to that we'll get to that I'm so jacked about this. 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:06,510 The ideas that everybody had. So you do a free open source 67 00:04:06,510 --> 00:04:10,770 project. And everyone's their own boss, they all show up if 68 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:15,180 they want to. They all have their own ideas. And to first be 69 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:19,290 able to see everybody and put faces to the names and also 70 00:04:19,290 --> 00:04:22,200 hearing a voice. I mean, Mitch and Mitch does that was Mitch to 71 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:22,920 pod verse. 72 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:25,230 Yeah, that's right. Holy crap. 73 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,120 I had a whole different picture of Mitch. 74 00:04:30,659 --> 00:04:34,319 Yeah, I thought he the net with the name Mitch. I thought he was 75 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:35,609 like a Grateful Dead follower 76 00:04:36,930 --> 00:04:40,530 for this burly dude. like wait a minute, 77 00:04:40,830 --> 00:04:43,110 is this clean cut young looking guy was 78 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,700 looking Dave Jones I think he's got us beat by a couple decades. 79 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:52,080 Yeah. And you know and then but there are also people who just 80 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,250 interested DC girl popped on. I thought that was nice to see. 81 00:04:56,280 --> 00:05:00,570 Yeah. And and then you get the ideas and this is what really 82 00:05:00,570 --> 00:05:04,680 struck me. So first we see the Gilliam A is, is he's just 83 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,520 cranking ahead today I tested his lm pay integration on pod 84 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,320 station. And it works. I mean, it worked out of the box once I 85 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,890 figured out what to put in where. And cool, it was really 86 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:21,390 quite simple. Now I'm, I'm deep into this. So for me, it's like 87 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:24,540 oh, I click here, create the wallet, put the coins in, here's 88 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:28,560 my I just had to find the the wallet ID the API key boom. And 89 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,530 then I immediately was working. I'm looking at the logs as he 90 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,450 instructs in his in his GitHub, so I can see the payments going. 91 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:40,650 Man, I think it looks like he's aggregating every 10 seconds, 92 00:05:40,710 --> 00:05:45,690 and then waits for there to be enough to send. So it turns out 93 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:48,120 about every two minutes, you sending a payment. I'm not quite 94 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,250 sure what the algorithm is for that. But it was interesting to 95 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:55,560 see how it's how it's counting up. Whatever number needs to be 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,630 sent, which I think is smart. 97 00:05:58,409 --> 00:06:00,869 Yeah, I like that. I like that. We talked about that on the 98 00:06:00,869 --> 00:06:04,019 call. Yeah. Yeah. Every every app is gonna have to figure out 99 00:06:04,019 --> 00:06:07,499 what works for their for their app, because none of these none 100 00:06:07,499 --> 00:06:11,159 of no two apps are the same. You got pot station, who's an 101 00:06:11,159 --> 00:06:14,789 extension, a Chrome extension? So mostly, they're gonna you 102 00:06:14,789 --> 00:06:15,749 know, when he has 103 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:19,080 no server, right? You're talking? Yeah, that's I'm amazed 104 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,960 at how much he's getting accomplished with the back end 105 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,800 service is really 106 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,320 quite interesting. For real. Yeah. And I guess that just 107 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,340 speaks to the sort of power that these extensions can have. And 108 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,570 then you get pod friend, who's you know, PETA, da, and then you 109 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:37,830 got hyper catcher. And now pod versa. They're both native apps 110 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:41,790 and your podcast guru podcast. Yesterday, I think, yeah. 111 00:06:42,030 --> 00:06:46,710 Everyone's got their own set of, like, hurdles and constraints. 112 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:48,750 Yeah. And they're all just figuring it out. 113 00:06:48,780 --> 00:06:53,010 Yeah. And, and but just to see that complete freedom, that 114 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:56,640 complete autonomy, and then also myself, although I've realized 115 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,960 this several times along the way in the project is like, Oh, this 116 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,500 is where in a corporate environment, you would tend to 117 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,650 stifle everybody and no, no, no, you're not doing it. Right. 118 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:12,180 We're working on this part D integrate this. I was never like 119 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:16,620 that. But I can I can feel, you know, because in a way, this may 120 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:18,900 sound really fucking weird. But if someone says, what do you do 121 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:23,760 on this project, I say, I'm like the JV team conductor who comes 122 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:28,350 in I've got this orchestra, and one brought a theramin. And one, 123 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,840 one guy there, and Joe brought these cool instruments, you 124 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,440 know, the other guy, and there's always a juice heart. There's 125 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,080 always a drummer who just keeps beating, it just keeps moving 126 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,680 forward. 127 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,290 The bass, the bass guys always stoned. 128 00:07:43,349 --> 00:07:46,409 Exactly. And then so essentially, I'm trying to write 129 00:07:46,409 --> 00:07:49,079 a little bit of music conducted and then I'm listening to what 130 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:51,929 they're doing. And sometimes just walk away have a sandwich 131 00:07:51,929 --> 00:07:55,589 and just see what see what they come up with. And it's, it's 132 00:07:55,589 --> 00:08:01,139 really impressive. When Spencer who, yeah, he's pretty young 133 00:08:01,139 --> 00:08:05,909 guy, and he's getting his I guess, he's doing some, some big 134 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:07,559 tests first degree, and 135 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:11,400 I couldn't tell if it was a boot camp or a university thing. 136 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,500 We're not sure it's like, right at the end of it, I think. 137 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:18,210 Exactly. And, and so he's a, he's, you know, he calls himself 138 00:08:18,210 --> 00:08:22,950 I'm a junior Dev. And he just done his final project, I guess, 139 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:26,610 to be evaluated for it. No, go No, go on his, whatever he's 140 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:32,580 doing. They're all impressive to me. And he's like, I want to, I 141 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:35,010 want to do something with recipes, because they suck. 142 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:35,940 Like, holy shit. That 143 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:37,020 was a cool idea. 144 00:08:37,049 --> 00:08:40,559 Yes, I'm like, finally someone saying, Oh, I can use this whole 145 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,619 podcast infrastructure to do something a little different. So 146 00:08:43,619 --> 00:08:47,279 his idea was to have people can contribute to the recipe, 147 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:49,739 including video, but it could be, you know, someone 148 00:08:49,739 --> 00:08:56,039 contributes the ingredients, or the actual recipe itself for the 149 00:08:56,039 --> 00:08:58,529 write up, I don't know. And he was seeing, he was seeing the 150 00:08:58,529 --> 00:09:05,219 splits in payments, working for that with the video. Payment 151 00:09:05,219 --> 00:09:08,069 splits going to all the people who worked on the project, and 152 00:09:08,069 --> 00:09:12,599 he just saw an app that just does recipes. Like this. Yeah. 153 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,240 Because that you know, the thing about that he zeroed in on to 154 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,070 me, it relates to podcasts like this. He zeroed in on this on 155 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:26,970 this product, which is recipes on the internet. And there's 156 00:09:26,970 --> 00:09:30,450 tons of recipes. It's complete garbage. It 157 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:33,300 was funny cuz he said that and everyone's like, Oh my god, and 158 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:36,390 then this happens in the fucking the ads and the 159 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:42,390 subscribe to our newsletter is so bad. That's what podcasting 160 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:45,930 will look like. If there's not a different funding method that 161 00:09:45,930 --> 00:09:49,020 develops and it all has to be ads. What's gonna happen well, 162 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:54,150 Ah, there you go. That's exactly why I left pod show slash me vo 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,490 is because I did not intend to spend my life making content 164 00:09:59,490 --> 00:10:02,910 that's equally Have a NASCAR with all the sponsor stickers on 165 00:10:02,910 --> 00:10:05,790 the on the windshield. It's like, No, I can't do this. It's 166 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:09,150 not gonna work. And you want me to put a VW engine in it? No. 167 00:10:11,849 --> 00:10:15,209 No, I was on john cheese podcast. 168 00:10:15,899 --> 00:10:19,229 That's right. All right. This is when he's a Mac developer, guys. 169 00:10:19,229 --> 00:10:19,349 How 170 00:10:19,350 --> 00:10:23,730 do I know? He's an electrical engineer? Oh, right. Right. 171 00:10:23,730 --> 00:10:28,410 Right, right. And he does the causality podcast he does to 172 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:32,190 eat. I think his network is called the engineered network as 173 00:10:32,190 --> 00:10:36,810 a podcast network. So he does. I know, his two podcasts are 174 00:10:36,810 --> 00:10:41,730 causality. And pragmatic and pragmatic, was the one I was on. 175 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:46,410 And I'm hooked on causality, by the way that that is a killer 176 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,860 podcast. But I was on prag pragmatic where he just 177 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:53,940 interviews people about tech stuff. And so and we had, gosh, 178 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:59,280 we talked for two hours. if not more about, about podcasting, 179 00:10:59,910 --> 00:11:04,380 podcasting, 2.0 and lightning Bitcoin and changing the dynamic 180 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:09,630 he's he's all in he's Raspberry Pi raspy, Blitz nice. I mean, 181 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:13,020 yeah, he's all in on this thing. And he's I mean, he's a Mac I 182 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:16,170 called him a Bitcoin maximalist Steena. He's, he's all in 183 00:11:16,170 --> 00:11:19,230 it. And Dara asked when this pod 184 00:11:19,290 --> 00:11:24,420 drops? No, no, no. He said this weekend. He said this weekend, 185 00:11:24,449 --> 00:11:28,229 okay. I'm putting a link in the show notes right now to the to 186 00:11:28,229 --> 00:11:31,739 the index Show page. People can find that cool, man. Yeah, 187 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,470 they're mad. Yeah. But it reminded me of, you know, just 188 00:11:34,470 --> 00:11:40,230 how out of you don't like it, you start building something and 189 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:44,430 you hope that people will sort of get involved and take notice. 190 00:11:44,850 --> 00:11:48,090 And then when it actually happens, it's like, oh, wait. 191 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:53,010 Oh, okay. It's kind of surprising when he will actually 192 00:11:53,010 --> 00:11:55,440 do because you don't, I guess it's just human nature. You 193 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,470 don't expect people to have to share your ideas or share your 194 00:11:58,470 --> 00:11:58,980 vision. 195 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,600 But that's what's so beautiful. 196 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:07,500 Yeah, I mean, he like he was 100% in the vision, like he's 197 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:10,170 got, he's like, we gotta change, you know, advertising 198 00:12:10,260 --> 00:12:13,050 advertising. There's gonna come a day where it hasn't happened 199 00:12:13,050 --> 00:12:15,960 yet, but I'm gonna have an advertiser who tries to censor 200 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,900 me and you know, we've got to get this alternative funding 201 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:23,370 method. What happens Patreon Reena rips cord out the rug out 202 00:12:23,370 --> 00:12:24,450 from under everybody. Now, 203 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:30,720 now Patreon because I, I was following this. So Joe Budden? 204 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,310 Who has a nut job button if he's super famous, right. Was he a 205 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:38,520 hip 206 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,660 hop guy, and he's got no idea who Joe Budden is. Yeah, I'm 207 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:46,830 pretty sure this he's use any any art any music artist after 208 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:50,430 1998. I just don't even know like, that's where my musical 209 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,850 history was frozen in time. It's like frozen in carbonite from 210 00:12:53,850 --> 00:12:56,070 1998. I'm with 211 00:12:56,070 --> 00:13:00,090 you, brother. Well, here's what's interesting. And it also 212 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,480 kind of pertains to what's going on with us. So Joe Budden 213 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:07,860 announced his multifaceted deal with Patreon. And let's see 214 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:11,610 months after parting ways with Spotify, so he had a Spotify I 215 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:14,550 know it was exclusive, but he had a deal found. Joe Budden is 216 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:17,430 found at home with Patreon, the media figure so he's a media 217 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:21,540 figure share the news during the episode of his eponymous 218 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:29,220 podcast. But now when I read is that I think he's becoming the 219 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:34,170 head of create Yes, the head of creator equity at Patreon. 220 00:13:35,250 --> 00:13:36,150 Yeah, and 221 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,860 I don't know what that is supposed to mean. I have an 222 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:45,300 idea. It sounds like a virtue signal. You know, probably if 223 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:51,720 anything, it's an answer to things like the podcast Academy 224 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:54,510 appointing del Rey caisson 225 00:13:56,220 --> 00:14:00,300 get the podcast got to get differently because the podcast 226 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:05,490 equity, like they in the context of what he was saying. It was 227 00:14:05,490 --> 00:14:12,090 like, equity meaning the relationship between the podcast 228 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,140 platform 229 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,170 Oh, please, Dave show? 230 00:14:16,170 --> 00:14:16,950 No, I think 231 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:18,570 Roman 232 00:14:20,820 --> 00:14:21,660 is legit. 233 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:26,280 I don't think so. Okay, I'm happy to be proved wrong. 234 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Not that. I think strongly. That's what it is. I think it's 235 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,110 because because his thing he's been railing against Spotify, 236 00:14:34,350 --> 00:14:37,050 because he was on he was one I think, if I'm not mistaken, he 237 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:42,030 was one of Spotify was first exclusive. Like one of the first 238 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:45,780 people they picked up and then I think he cut him loose and did 239 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:47,670 not renew his contract. 240 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:50,160 On the left. Yes. Okay. All right. Well, 241 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,040 then I could be wrong. And he said they were trying what he 242 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,520 said at the time when he dropped off Spotify was that they were 243 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,730 trying that they were screwing their artists. Yeah, screwing 244 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:02,370 the creative Whatever you taking too much money, yeah, what I'm 245 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:03,690 reading here. 246 00:15:05,009 --> 00:15:08,399 Button said he and his team were treated unfairly throughout his 247 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:11,459 two year contract with Spotify, claiming the company wouldn't 248 00:15:11,459 --> 00:15:15,509 allow them to take vacations for the holiday holidays and tried 249 00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:21,869 to give them rolexes rather than bonuses. Yeah. That is the 250 00:15:21,869 --> 00:15:24,599 record company mentality right there. Hey, son, I'm gonna give 251 00:15:24,599 --> 00:15:28,619 you a Cadillac. Just play this over here and give you a 252 00:15:28,619 --> 00:15:29,219 Cadillac. 253 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:32,250 When you get it. You have to pay and you have to pay the tax. 254 00:15:32,849 --> 00:15:34,079 Oh, by the way, it's alone. 255 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,340 Yeah. 256 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:41,220 Because he actually accused them, he accused Spotify of 257 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,020 stealing his audience. 258 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,650 Okay, I am wrong. And I apologize. Thanks for setting me 259 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:47,100 straight. 260 00:15:47,819 --> 00:15:53,939 Oh, so but but I am interested on the on the on the race angle 261 00:15:53,939 --> 00:15:58,349 of that though. Because I've been listening to a lot of I've 262 00:15:58,349 --> 00:16:00,959 been listening to a lot of Malcolm X's speeches, I've got 263 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:03,869 this audio book that's basically just a collection of all of his 264 00:16:03,869 --> 00:16:07,019 speeches, they did this. They can they could ever be found on 265 00:16:07,019 --> 00:16:10,199 audio just all run together. And I'm about halfway through it 266 00:16:10,199 --> 00:16:12,929 I've been listening to for a few months. And it is so 267 00:16:12,929 --> 00:16:17,609 enlightening and eye opening. Like it sort of blows my mind. 268 00:16:18,179 --> 00:16:21,509 And part of the and part of what I've been thinking about is I've 269 00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:23,909 been trying to figure out there seems to be and I think there 270 00:16:23,909 --> 00:16:27,899 was an article yesterday that that stayed on freedom 271 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:33,869 controller I hadn't read yet. But it was about just about how 272 00:16:33,869 --> 00:16:40,229 big Bitcoin how Bitcoin is, is getting this groundswell within 273 00:16:40,529 --> 00:16:42,689 the black within the blacks, black community, 274 00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:46,080 Isaiah Jackson, Bitcoin and black America. Is 275 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,830 that it? Yeah, yeah. And so like I wondered, you know, cuz you 276 00:16:49,830 --> 00:16:54,210 got hotep Jesus out there. And I wonder what what is what is most 277 00:16:54,210 --> 00:16:56,400 say about all that may see a Bitcoin guy and we 278 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,960 have been talking about this very intensely for the past 279 00:17:01,530 --> 00:17:08,220 months, I'd say. And we have decided to put income from Moe 280 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:12,390 facts with Adam Curry. You know, just keep it all in Bitcoin. If 281 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:14,880 we get fi out, we'll put it into bitcoin. It's kind of our own 282 00:17:14,910 --> 00:17:22,350 personal stand. What he says is that black America is very much 283 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:26,550 into bitcoin. There is a huge hesitancy though, and and this 284 00:17:26,550 --> 00:17:31,140 stems from him, I would say, personally, but I think he's 285 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:33,630 right. He says, whenever I hear shit in the barber shop about 286 00:17:33,630 --> 00:17:36,540 this, he says, I know black people about to get screwed. So 287 00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:39,300 when Bitcoin was at 40,000, a couple weeks back, moe was at 288 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:43,140 the barber shop. And his barber was like, Hey, man, you bought 289 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:45,900 this Bitcoin? Should I get some? And most at the minute, I hear 290 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:50,160 that I said, it was at 40,000. I know that was bad news. He says, 291 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,980 that happened to us in 2008. With flipping homes. 292 00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:55,350 So yeah, I didn't think about that. 293 00:17:55,350 --> 00:18:02,070 Yeah, yeah. So so there's a lot of apprehension, but that's just 294 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:04,110 surface stuff, you know, because he hasn't had the opportunity to 295 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:06,540 look into it or been pointed in the right direction. So he 296 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:10,980 definitely sees it. Certainly the value for value pledge model 297 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:13,800 streaming satoshis, he totally gets that, which we still don't 298 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,700 really have a great name for. I haven't found it myself yet. You 299 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:22,470 know, like, so it just feels awkward to say value for value 300 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:24,930 payments or pledge I'm still Yeah, 301 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,960 in lightning payment. Sounds like it's too tied to one 302 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:30,810 specific thing. Because Yeah, be able to be flexible. 303 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,470 Yeah. So what I was going to say when it comes to the equity 304 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:38,070 part, because there is a lot of virtue signaling, but in a way 305 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:42,210 this, it pertains to this as well. When I also saw let's see, 306 00:18:42,210 --> 00:18:48,300 we had our our feed archivist. That was his name. Oh, does the 307 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:49,170 opml 308 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:51,690 Oh, my Chris. Yeah. Yeah. 309 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:55,110 So Chris was in it. Yeah. I mean, this is amazing shit 310 00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:57,810 people are doing and I never, never would have thought, hey, 311 00:18:57,810 --> 00:19:02,490 let's find a guy to work on our project. Who goes out and finds 312 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:06,930 feeds you ferrets around in the darkest corners of the world to 313 00:19:06,930 --> 00:19:10,200 try and find feeds. And it's fantastic. what he's done. I'm 314 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:16,500 so so happy and so just yeah, appreciative. And then, gosh, 315 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,960 who was the other guy if I'm forgetting bad at names? 316 00:19:20,550 --> 00:19:24,060 And he was he had an interest in that Andy. Andy layman. 317 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,280 Yeah, I think it was Andy was talking about 318 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:28,260 the does the WordPress plugin 319 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:35,760 was that Andy Shipman? Maybe it was, I don't know. Yeah, but but 320 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,540 that's my point is like, yeah, here's what I here's what I 321 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:45,900 recognized. If you want equity in your life, demand free open 322 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:52,080 source software. When it's free and open source, everybody has a 323 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,520 seat at the table with with whatever idea they have. I can't 324 00:19:56,550 --> 00:20:00,960 know what I want to but I can't stop anybody. I can't There's no 325 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,460 it's just like, it's that is total equity. Imagine if, if 326 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:09,000 Microsoft Word was free open source software, how good it 327 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,350 would be? Yeah, and how you could change it for the equity 328 00:20:13,410 --> 00:20:15,840 that you need for your particular needs. 329 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:21,120 That talked about that on pragmatic as good as it was, you 330 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:24,120 know, one of the things that that always says, you know, 331 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,730 people are the most the most equal, when they're the most 332 00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:32,310 free. When it comes to money, that there is nowhere is that 333 00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:37,530 more so than financially? Like we knew with a, we talked about 334 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:39,630 that, you know, with, with lightning, you're essentially 335 00:20:39,630 --> 00:20:44,580 your own bank. And, you know, you can you have, let me see, 336 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:48,360 let me let me read you this, this is this is from Malcolm X, 337 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,270 the speeches is a point these the point these things out, 338 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,370 especially for you and me, those of us who are trying to come 339 00:20:53,370 --> 00:20:56,790 from behind, if we aren't aware, we'll find that all these modern 340 00:20:56,790 --> 00:20:59,820 methods of trickery will be used. And we will be maneuvered 341 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:02,070 into thinking that we're getting freedom or thinking we're making 342 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:05,250 progress when actually we'll be going backwards. Yeah. And I 343 00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:10,350 think that perfectly sums up. Like, if you take that and apply 344 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:15,150 that to the financial aspect of, I'll just leave out the rest of 345 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:19,050 the world but but just the US for a minute. I mean, with with 346 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,390 all the the monetization of debt, and all that, you know, 347 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:27,390 all the things that have gone on all the endless quantitative 348 00:21:27,390 --> 00:21:32,130 easing, all of these things that have gone on is produced things 349 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:36,330 that look like progress. You know, the stock market at 350 00:21:36,330 --> 00:21:39,360 30,000, and all these kinds of things that look like progress 351 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,450 and our 401, K's are, are growing and all these kinds of 352 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:46,200 things. But if you step back and things like that, wait, maybe 353 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,440 that's just trickery? Maybe, maybe it's not actually 354 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,010 progress. Maybe it's looks like progress, but we're actually 355 00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:56,400 going backwards. And you know, when you bring Bitcoin into it, 356 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,830 and these cryptic cryptocurrencies, things that 357 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:03,270 are inherently deflationary, you start to really see you get real 358 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:04,860 suspicious really fast. 359 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:08,850 And I think what we're seeing is, and this is what Wall Street 360 00:22:08,850 --> 00:22:16,410 bets, is partially about, okay, it's rigged, there's your proof, 361 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:22,020 now we're gonna ignore you, or go against you, whatever it is, 362 00:22:22,170 --> 00:22:24,480 they figured it out, they figured that this is a new 363 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,420 generation. It's the millennials, this is the ones 364 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:32,400 who are, you know, 25 to 3035. I'll even give you that. And 365 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:36,930 they have figured out the game, I think Wall Street bets also 366 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:41,340 helped them figure out centralization. patreon showed 367 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:46,080 that to a degree, although I had all kinds of other issues, I 368 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,900 think. And, and, 369 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,190 I mean, 370 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:55,440 I have all my nephews, now emailing me, asking me like, 371 00:22:55,440 --> 00:23:00,000 Hey, you know, okay, what should I do? Do I buy aetherium? Like, 372 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,240 no, no, hold on. So they're all getting into it right now. I 373 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,820 can't advise you, I'm gonna tell you what I do. Every time I get 374 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:09,810 some money, and I take 10 or 20% of that whatever I can miss. And 375 00:23:09,810 --> 00:23:12,900 I put that into bitcoin. And I just, you know, just let it go. 376 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:15,330 And I take you know, keep an eye on it. It should there be an 377 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:19,470 incredible dip? For some reason, I'll watch and this starts to go 378 00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:21,900 up. I'll probably buy a little bit, you know, take advantage of 379 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,500 that. But I know that ultimately, long term, this is 380 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:29,400 your time value preference. Long term, it'll be fine. 381 00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:33,630 Just vital to survival mentality. Yeah. 382 00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:39,600 Just so I love people who are bringing back the arguments that 383 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:44,280 we heard five years ago, the arguments that I participated in 384 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,360 on the argumentative side 10 years ago, like, well, now it's 385 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,490 like, it's too much energy, and you're going to use up the 386 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:53,850 world's electricity. Oh, yeah. And today, like Yeah, I think 387 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,160 that's kind of the point, wouldn't it be at some point 388 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,570 just advantageous for a miner to get a license and build their 389 00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:02,160 own nuclear facility? 390 00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:04,890 That Okay, so or by 391 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:09,000 offer shares in, you know, some kind of collaborative where you 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,960 put up your, your equity and Bitcoin, lock it up to let them 393 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,400 build something, I can see all that 394 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,450 happening. In that, you know, you compare that you compare the 395 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:22,230 energy energy expenditure of something like Bitcoin, with the 396 00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:25,770 energy expenditure it takes to run the entire financial banking 397 00:24:25,770 --> 00:24:30,780 system, globally, and it is nowhere close yet or mine or 398 00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:33,510 mining for precious metals. Yeah, I mean, yeah, none of 399 00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:36,390 these things are energy neutral by any stretch of the 400 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:37,200 imagination, but 401 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,810 I like the idea that technically, you know, in my 402 00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:42,900 mind, if you if you purchase a piece of Bitcoin, I have 403 00:24:42,900 --> 00:24:48,720 purchased the energy that went into making that into mining 404 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,840 that and then I can take that to a whole different country, and I 405 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,320 can spend it and buy the energy back over there. You know, it's 406 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,390 like it's like transportable energy. 407 00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:59,370 Well, 408 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,790 I mean, Money has energy, it has velocity, you know, it has 409 00:25:02,790 --> 00:25:05,640 movement. And I think what we're doing with the lightning network 410 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,270 now is we're, we're driving it, word ratcheting it up. 411 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:14,610 Well, that's the other thing that people like, you know, I 412 00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:18,150 sort of have been in this mindset for a long time, because 413 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,590 I lean towards Austrian economics, that whole idea in 414 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:26,730 the in the in history, which we don't even understand now, is 415 00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:31,830 the idea of purchasing money. But you know, money is a good 416 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:36,210 just like anything else. Right. And like, that whole idea is 417 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,510 like to the modern idea where all we've known is Fiat printing 418 00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:44,490 is not backed by anything printable money, that those 419 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:49,620 concepts that Bitcoin sort of embodies. They're just not in 420 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:51,480 the current mode. They're not in the modern Well, 421 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:57,330 yes, and no, I think we're very close with Venmo has taught 422 00:25:57,330 --> 00:26:01,200 people a lot. Cash app has taught people a lot, I think, I 423 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,330 think there's a generation that has been has been interested to 424 00:26:06,330 --> 00:26:09,150 purchase Bitcoin, not quite knowing, you know, if it will be 425 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:13,260 useful for anything else. Lightning is certainly where 426 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:16,140 usefulness comes in. He has a lot of fraud out there, people 427 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:19,890 don't understand fees, and quite honestly, it's completely 428 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,420 confusing for anybody and the fact that you have to send 429 00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:28,800 invoices back and forth. So that's kind of solved with or 430 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,470 getting solved with keys. And now you can replicate what 431 00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:34,950 people are used to with Venmo. But man, I don't I don't 432 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:38,670 discount this generation, that they're figuring it out. Real 433 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:43,830 quick, short, 99% complete. People are completely oblivious 434 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,070 to Bitcoin itself. Forget other kryptos I've just heard some 435 00:26:47,070 --> 00:26:51,660 stuff. But yeah, I mean, the writing with VSA now saying, 436 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:54,060 Yeah, we should have our customers should be able to buy 437 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,900 crypto. Yeah. What do you think about that? I think is what 438 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,210 what's your what's your full is your first thought when you saw 439 00:27:00,210 --> 00:27:00,810 that headline? 440 00:27:02,010 --> 00:27:06,660 I thought they are competing against their own clients, you 441 00:27:06,660 --> 00:27:11,250 know, they do transactions and processing for for many apps, 442 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:20,490 including plaid networks, which is the middleware from Venmo. 443 00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:26,160 And they're clearly expanding, they introduced a world I'm not 444 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,470 sure if they're financially involved, but they help with 445 00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:33,300 strike. You know, I think there may be some venture capital even 446 00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:39,180 or some some capital in, in strikes operation from from visa 447 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,910 because they want to compete, you know, they want to be the 448 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:45,030 guys that, that process everything, whether you're 449 00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:48,900 coming in with Bitcoin or, or any other crypto that they feel 450 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:52,800 is appropriate, or dollars or euros, they want to do it all. 451 00:27:53,070 --> 00:27:56,430 And, you know, I know what we're gonna wind up with, and it's 452 00:27:56,430 --> 00:28:04,200 pretty clear. If you buy more than I think if you know, you'll 453 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600 be there'll be a limit on how much you can buy, I think it'd 454 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,440 be $10,000. No, it's if you send more than $10,000 from your 455 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:19,320 exchange wallet to an exchange address, that will be registered 456 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,090 just as if I send more than $10,000 in a wire transfer, 457 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:27,540 internationally, whatever that's, you know, it's an essay 458 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:30,870 or will be written up you have if you if you come into the 459 00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:34,980 country, technically with more than $10,000 in cash or assets, 460 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:41,970 you have to declare that. And then there will be a limit on 461 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:47,610 selling crypto per day into Fiat. I'm sure that's coming. So 462 00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:51,450 the obvious answer is the more we can do in the crypto realm is 463 00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:52,800 is where they can't touch you. 464 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:55,800 It Yourself stays in crypto. Yeah. 465 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:58,950 So you know, already I buy my voltage node and crypto. I'm 466 00:28:58,950 --> 00:29:02,580 just getting used to it. Anybody that shows up I mean, everything 467 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:06,960 every every vendor, like pest control or so you take Bitcoin 468 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,910 now, are you really asked that always now? I'm always asking. 469 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:12,210 Yep. 470 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Yes, the termite guy. 471 00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:18,900 Dude, the termite guy started with me. He said, Okay, don't 472 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,450 you remember, this was over Thanksgiving. He's like, Hey, 473 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:23,910 you know, my brother was over. And this guy, he's a little 474 00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:27,360 older than me. So he's in his early 60s, maybe? Yeah. Or maybe 475 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,060 he's my age. And he's just been outdoors in Texas longer than 476 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:34,770 me. And he's like, I saw your stuff up. There. You got your 477 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:39,270 Bitcoin chart. We think of bitcoins. I kind of believe in 478 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:41,700 what's going on here. Yeah. My brother showed us how to buy it. 479 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:45,180 And did you get some Yeah, we all bought some. And then he had 480 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:47,190 the right idea about it was very interesting. 481 00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,640 It must be something in the DNA of those of pest control guy, 482 00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:54,840 Pest Control guy in the office. He's like, he's asking me about 483 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,350 XRP and ripple and Monaro, and he's he's like, he's got like 484 00:29:58,350 --> 00:30:00,930 five different crypto accounts. First like, I mean, I don't 485 00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:02,970 know, what's it what's up with those guys? Well, I mean not to 486 00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:07,620 turn this into the Bitcoin show no, no, no the thing. I would 487 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:13,950 say this though, I did listen to jack Mahler's on. And I think 488 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:18,300 this is I think this is a fairly old episode maybe from last year 489 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,750 sometime. He was on a podcast, the podcast from Bitcoin 490 00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,510 magazine called what Bitcoin did? Yes, I've been on that. 491 00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:30,030 Yep. Okay. And he did a two part episode on lightning. And the 492 00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:35,640 first part was he they start talking about lightning, but in 493 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,360 order to get into it, they go over the problems with the block 494 00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:43,890 with with deterring cat they get they give an overview of why 495 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:47,430 Bitcoin white lightning needed to exist. And in the process of 496 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:51,270 explaining that they also explained all the problems and 497 00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:56,250 why the blockchain block size was not in was not increased, 498 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,120 like a lot of people wanted it to be. They go over a lot of 499 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,300 historical stuff about the political tech around Bitcoin 500 00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:11,760 proper. And it is fascinating. I highly recommend that to anybody 501 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:15,810 who is like wanting to get into any of the developers that are 502 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,030 deterred dabbling with this stuff, and don't feel very 503 00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:21,180 strong in their knowledge of Bitcoin. That was a fantastic 504 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:24,480 primer, two part primer on lightning. And the reasons 505 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,100 behind it feels great. 506 00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:32,160 So I'm thinking if I go to podcast index.org Oh, wait, can 507 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,320 I search by person on our homepage? 508 00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:38,130 Yeah, but you're not going to find that episode, though. 509 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:39,990 Because it's so old. It's already rolled off their feed. 510 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:42,450 Ah, that sucks. 511 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:45,720 Yeah, they evidently put out an episode every 20 minutes. So 512 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,340 there's 5 million episodes. 513 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,220 It's funny. So anyway, to bring it back, the diversity of 514 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:55,980 thought the diversity of background, the diversity of 515 00:31:55,980 --> 00:31:59,310 country origin, race, creed, color, it pretty much everything 516 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:06,030 was represented. It was exhilarating to me. And I cannot 517 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:12,240 wait to see what kind of UI or UX choices people will make. 518 00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:16,860 It's, it's I'm really, really jacked about this. And then to 519 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:23,100 have, you know, a complete front to back working thing. In what 520 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:24,450 we did this on Tuesday. 521 00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:26,670 And testings day, 522 00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:28,620 Wednesday. I could have tested it yesterday. 523 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,310 Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry. You're right. Tuesday. Yeah. And you 524 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,490 and you. Yeah, it's like it was instantaneous. everybody's like, 525 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,420 Okay, we got it. 526 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:42,480 And by the way, Dave, if I may, yes. Great job on the slides and 527 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:46,350 showing the flow and you just didn't work. You also, did you 528 00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:50,850 do an endpoint this? The feed value slash feed and point, 529 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,750 something like that? 530 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,120 Yeah, we put that together for for gamma gamma. Yeah. Yep. What 531 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,420 is what does it do? Well, it just does one thing, it just, it 532 00:33:00,420 --> 00:33:03,300 just gives you the value blog back for a URL. We just did 533 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:07,410 that. Because like he's reading, he's reading the feed RSS 534 00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:11,190 directly the same way that like, like pod friend does. Okay. 535 00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:14,580 Yeah, they use us for search. But then, once they somebody 536 00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:17,010 chooses the feed, they just grab the feed and parse it right 537 00:33:17,010 --> 00:33:17,370 there. 538 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:19,350 Oh, okay. That's cool. 539 00:33:19,650 --> 00:33:22,200 Yeah. But they're not going to have the value blocks. I 540 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,930 understand only they need and they just need that. So 541 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,590 So. Yeah. So instead of doing a full call for everything, and 542 00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:32,910 just say give me but I guess. I don't know. So pod friend also 543 00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:38,430 pulls in my, my chapter tags and everything from the RSS feed. 544 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:41,700 Yeah, that's right. Nice. Interesting. Is there a benefit 545 00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:44,100 to doing that over getting it from the getting the information 546 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:48,780 from the index? besides it being guaranteed the right, the right 547 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:49,530 data? 548 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,370 Yeah, well, you know, it's instantaneous. You see, as soon 549 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:55,710 as the feed updates, you already see that you don't have to wait 550 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:59,670 for the aggregator Ah, yeah, gotcha. Gotcha. So there, it's, 551 00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:03,840 it's helpful in situations where, like, we're in today, 552 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,150 where just not everybody supports webs. And you still got 553 00:34:06,150 --> 00:34:08,520 to go crawl and all that jazz. You know, it's just like instant 554 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,150 feedback. 555 00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:14,490 This website is another thing that needs to be built out. Mm 556 00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:18,570 hmm. That's pretty cool. What, what all that can do to the web 557 00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:21,540 subs? Are they able to talk to each other to update each other? 558 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:25,710 No, it's it's a one to one subscripts subscriber. It's just 559 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:30,660 like RSS cloud. Used to be okay. It's a registration and I want 560 00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:37,860 on my to do list is to Dan Benjamin and Tom Ross ever bust 561 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:41,550 Brad, they want to help help build this out. So we're the 562 00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:47,610 plan is that we will build a web sub implementation. And then it 563 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:50,460 will be something that the index and the hostess can run and 564 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:52,020 it'll be something they're familiar with that you'd be 565 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:55,140 like, you know, spin up a VM, run this thing and everybody can 566 00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:59,070 have their own web sub. So we're gonna that's, that's on the 567 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,320 now. It's on the tonight. When you say everyone has their own 568 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,500 website, I mean, how does that all coordinate? And how does it 569 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,960 ping propagate? So everyone knows what's going on. 570 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:11,580 Just it's a, it's a subscriber you thing, you know, so you 571 00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:16,770 have, as anybody can say, I want to be notified when the feed 572 00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:20,310 changes. And this is the feed I'm interested in. So for like, 573 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:25,590 fireside, fireside is running their own website, then they 574 00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:28,800 don't have to depend on Google or superfeet, or all these other 575 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,590 people, they can just run that right there in their hosting 576 00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:32,160 environment, 577 00:35:32,430 --> 00:35:33,510 right? But then who, 578 00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:37,530 then Owl and all their feeds would then get that web sub as 579 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:38,130 the hub. 580 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,810 Right? But how does an app know what web sub to talk to to get 581 00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:45,000 the updates? Or am I misunderstanding What's going 582 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,210 on? 583 00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:50,640 The apps like Angela, and for us, we're subscriber to that to 584 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,080 that hub. So every time we read a feed, we look in the feed for 585 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,570 the hub specification and then we call out to that 586 00:35:59,070 --> 00:35:59,700 notified 587 00:35:59,729 --> 00:36:04,379 Ah, I didn't realize that there was a hub specification in the 588 00:36:04,379 --> 00:36:05,219 RSS feed. 589 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,830 Yes, it exists in the XML. 590 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:11,130 Why wasn't I notified of this? 591 00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:14,370 The world didn't give you a heads up? 592 00:36:14,399 --> 00:36:16,409 No. Is this is in my feed to 593 00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:21,660 it is not in your feed. He did not have a hub. Oh, Dana, you 594 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:23,730 don't have a hub. And you could use the podcast index hub when 595 00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:24,600 we get this thing built. 596 00:36:24,899 --> 00:36:27,329 Okay, so that's basically what I'm doing when that script you 597 00:36:27,329 --> 00:36:29,249 gave me to ping the index in my purse? 598 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,040 Yeah. You're pretending to be a hub? Yeah, at that point. 599 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,040 Okay. Maybe if I look more like a hub, it'll update more. It'll 600 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,730 update faster. Yeah. I sit really still and look like a 601 00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:40,020 hub. Okay. Yes. 602 00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:49,350 Yeah, that's, that's on the radar screen I've got I can 603 00:36:49,350 --> 00:36:52,710 actually get now that we've got the namespace, the phase two 604 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:56,940 shift, I can actually get some of these back of the page. To Do 605 00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:58,050 list items. Well, I 606 00:36:58,050 --> 00:37:00,390 had a guy because I had a question about podcaster 607 00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:01,380 wallet.com. 608 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,800 Yeah. redheaded stepchild of everything I've ever done. 609 00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:08,040 Yeah, but I feel it's coming. It's coming. It's coming. 610 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,060 Because the more we talk about the splits, the more people want 611 00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:17,190 them. And I think if you look at what, what speaks, chat, if you 612 00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:20,250 just start up a tribe and throw in your RSS feed, you can get 613 00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:24,270 satoshis from anybody who is listening on Sphinx chat. But it 614 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,450 but if it's not in the, if you're not, if you don't have a 615 00:37:27,450 --> 00:37:32,370 value block, either in your feed or in the index, then you won't 616 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:35,310 be able to do splits. So I know what's coming, is people are 617 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:37,620 gonna want to have splits because you know, it's easy. 618 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,750 People go in and like, Oh, just throw in this feed here. I'm 619 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:42,750 done. I'm done. So eventually, they're gonna want split. So I'm 620 00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:47,850 just thinking ahead saying we've got to make that friendly, and 621 00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:49,230 understandable for people. 622 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:52,680 That's, that's really the neck. That's actually the top thing. 623 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,630 I've got my to do list right here. And I think I think we 624 00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:55,860 need to help Dave. 625 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,270 Yeah, I want to get the tenant. I don't know how to do that. I 626 00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:01,290 don't want to be baggy, 627 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:07,350 baggy, baggy. baggy. Look it up. Bro. Let me tell you something, 628 00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:11,850 the value you have brought to this project. People would would 629 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:18,150 come to your house and wash your car. I will. Truck people will 630 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:21,420 do your shopping for you. Ah, it's not begi 631 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:24,300 you could wash my truck, and you still won't be able to tell any 632 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:29,880 difference. No, I mean, like, when you're when you're ready, 633 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,970 drunk playdough aardige, he did so much work on the wet on the 634 00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:39,060 main website. It's like, I think I'm gonna take that and take the 635 00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:42,360 stylesheet sneer thing off that and just apply that look and 636 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,810 feel to the podcaster Wallet for the time being. And then once 637 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,330 once I can get the functionality there where it's actually, it's 638 00:38:48,330 --> 00:38:52,350 really close, it actually looks and feels a lot worse than it is 639 00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:56,460 on the back end. Like on the on the back end. All the pieces are 640 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,580 mostly there, there's just a little bit of plumbing that is 641 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:05,010 not right. And so it it actually, when you when you use 642 00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:07,260 it, you're like, this thing's a piece of shit, you know, but 643 00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:11,550 then, but it's actually it's a lot closer than it really looks. 644 00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:14,580 And so it's not gonna, it's not gonna be like it's going to take 645 00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:19,980 a month to fix this thing. I think it really will take maybe 646 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,680 10 or 15 hours of work to to get everything polished up because 647 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,370 it just to some some of the API calls aren't returning exactly 648 00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:32,160 right. Like it like I like that luck. I now know that they 649 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,890 should. And there were some decisions made at the beginning 650 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:37,230 that I should need to get back and refactor. So sure, sure, 651 00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:40,620 it's not too bad. It's actually not as bad as it looks, which is 652 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:42,780 the opposite of usually it's much worse than it appears. 653 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:45,300 The other way. 654 00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:49,830 The way I look at it is, you know, I want to go to podcaster 655 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:52,860 wallet as a podcast who's heard about this shit, like, hey, 656 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,720 we'll look at this. And then and then I want it to be like, hey, 657 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:02,400 start having your audience satoshis to you today right 658 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,150 away. 659 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,560 Yeah, you know, here's 660 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,910 what you do clickety clickety clack bone. Yeah, it's never 661 00:40:08,910 --> 00:40:13,110 gonna be like that. But I think we can use language that is 662 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,530 exciting and helpful at the same time and give people all the 663 00:40:16,530 --> 00:40:21,270 options because now we, we kind of have two paths the wild shit, 664 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:24,030 I just want to get started and I don't know much about Bitcoin 665 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:28,860 and, and, or lightning, maybe get me going, that's the Elon 666 00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:33,840 pay route. And then, okay, I'm a pro. And and I want to, you 667 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,060 know, have a, have a note that I have more control over, you 668 00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:47,700 know, than when we grab voltages API and help them create a node 669 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:50,820 right from the page. You know what I mean? I can just see all 670 00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:57,150 this stuff. All this? I mean, maybe even, maybe. g here's a 671 00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:01,890 thought for you. Would it be crazy to have a podcast or a 672 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:08,850 wallet? No, shoot. scratch it. I need to stop daydreaming. Yeah, 673 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:09,180 you 674 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,640 you out thought yourself? I did. I did. And it hurts. 675 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,650 But in fact, I got it twisted back against, 676 00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:18,750 you know, play play the played the clip. And these may be 677 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:20,610 clipped to to Bill Clinton's advice? 678 00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:27,450 I think it is, you have to both stay within those parameters. 679 00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:29,760 And make things up a little as you go along. 680 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,780 The crux of our show right there. Yep. That's pretty 681 00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:38,490 much this whole project. I do not understand that podcast, by 682 00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:42,840 the way, a podcast called Why Why am I telling you this? But 683 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,750 it's also the exact same name as a Clinton Foundation podcast 684 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:48,600 called Why am I telling you this is existed for like two years. 685 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:50,700 So I'm not really sure what 686 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,010 and even when you listen to it, you still don't understand why 687 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:54,990 he's telling you that I would I would get 688 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,240 pretty much yeah. So 689 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,230 the other thing that that became very apparent to me, just to, 690 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,610 you know, wrap this up on the on the pledge payments. As you 691 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:10,950 know, I was configuring pod station. And it's man, it's so 692 00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:17,400 it's so pretty, so easy to do. And it says here because he's 693 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,500 thought ahead value in milli SATs per hour. And he has a 694 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:28,200 default there of Wow, he has 3 million. 695 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,860 That's a little high. 696 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:33,480 Well, that's that's no, 697 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:39,000 it's 300. Yeah, no, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that's 3000. Yeah, 3000 698 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,100 SATs per hour, but it doesn't milli SATs. 699 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:44,700 And you know, milli SATs is what the value block is already. I 700 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,840 know. And it's so smart. Because I was thinking today. I mean, if 701 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:57,390 you do 100 satoshis a minute, which is what I have my stuff 702 00:42:57,390 --> 00:43:00,990 set at typically, that's what I had it set out in savings. Now 703 00:43:00,990 --> 00:43:03,300 it turns out to be several bucks an hour. I mean, it's going 704 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:07,200 fast. So I'm glad we went to milli SATs. And I'm glad that 705 00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:11,130 gliomas is kind of paving the way with the calculation and 706 00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:14,220 tallying up before he sends a payment. Because we're gonna 707 00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:19,440 need it I mean, the way bitcoins going milli satoshis is gonna be 708 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,220 necessary. 709 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,750 So that that's what he's, that's why he's sort of queuing up the 710 00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:27,840 queue, you know, like, doing the ad, adding it up as he goes 711 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,260 along. And then once he hits enough for sort of a sane amount 712 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:33,570 of SATs, then you just sense that bundle, right? 713 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,180 Yeah, works well works really well. 714 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,460 We know I talked to, I talked to Tim at Ellen pay on our sim a 715 00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:45,810 message on signal and he said that he's gonna work on getting 716 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,710 that getting a new API call for keys and where you can, where 717 00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:52,950 you can just give all three splits, right? Or all the splits 718 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:55,770 at once. You just say okay, I want I want this and I want to 719 00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:59,130 split up this way. And they can be a bathroom. Yes, right. 720 00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:00,030 Perfect. 721 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,660 There's also a telegram group for Ellen pay. 722 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,200 Get into how do you get into said telegram group. 723 00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:12,180 So you get the telegram app? I despise telegram? I really don't 724 00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:16,320 like it mainly because the groups that I've looked at 725 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,500 before you know, you look at it again. Oh, this 1500 new 726 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:23,010 messages What? It's not helpful. You know 727 00:44:23,130 --> 00:44:25,920 what, it's kind of like that on podcast index dot social right 728 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,100 now. 729 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,620 In a way it's never telegram is worse. And but if there's not a 730 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:34,860 lot of messages, then the signal to noise is much better. So the 731 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:37,920 telegram and just search, you install the app, you hit search, 732 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,030 you do ln pay. And there's I think there's two groups, and 733 00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:44,850 then just click and then you just join and then then Bob's 734 00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:45,360 your uncle. 735 00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:50,220 Okay. All right. Yes, don't get in there. 736 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,340 So I'm super stoked to see how people will handle the wallet 737 00:44:53,340 --> 00:44:57,270 creation. What kind of user experience they have in mind. 738 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:04,500 What kind of stuff they're going to display periodically. So with 739 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,920 pod station, it was just playing and then I on one hand and look 740 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,580 over to the right on the log, which I, personally I like I 741 00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:13,860 don't know if anyone else will but I like seeing when the when 742 00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:18,810 the payments go out. And then I did tab over to my wallet so I 743 00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:26,220 can see the number go down. The whole process is exciting. I 744 00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:29,220 played our show and right and I was watching on my Zeus wallet 745 00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:33,180 on my phone like boom, boom, there's 20 2020 nice. 746 00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:35,130 Oh, that's why I was getting paid this morning. 747 00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:39,960 I was it Yes, I was paying us. Okay, good. I do want it from 748 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,410 the LM pay wallet. So that works perfectly. I was like somebody 749 00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:43,800 listening 750 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,330 in the morning. We're about to drop another. 751 00:45:45,419 --> 00:45:46,289 I know, I know. 752 00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:53,430 So, I mean, we don't want to overlook the fact that we 753 00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:56,880 shipped phase two of the potty of the namespace right? Oh, baby 754 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:58,530 overlooked. Now it. 755 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:08,130 Never overlooks? Never undercooked. It's the namespace 756 00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:13,050 and it's hot, baby hot, hot, hot. No, I am glad you stopped 757 00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:18,660 and brought us into this place. Because right around the same 758 00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:23,130 time, that we get the ln PE stuff cranking up all of a 759 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:26,790 sudden, but a bing bada boom, we've got buzzsprout releasing 760 00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:30,720 feeds that have location tags, and it works in several of our 761 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,910 apps out of the box. Yeah, mind blowing, mind blowing, like holy 762 00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:39,420 shit. But I had to go back and do two more announcements today. 763 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,140 podcast addict has it hasn't come in or that they just 764 00:46:43,140 --> 00:46:43,770 released it. 765 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:47,910 They got it. They got it. They got it loaded yet. 766 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:50,580 I think they loaded it up. I don't know if it's still on. But 767 00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:53,160 I thought it was out of beta. It doesn't matter. Okay, I just, I 768 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,170 just retweeted one of their tweets. Okay. And this is this 769 00:46:58,170 --> 00:47:01,560 is cool. What I liked about this, and this is again, for 770 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:10,260 you, Mr. Dave Jones. without really a coordinated effort, as 771 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:14,340 in, you know, we send each other calendar invites. This beauty 772 00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:18,480 just happened, you know, so this is the two sides of the equation 773 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,570 finally coming together. And they and they come at the same 774 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:27,150 time, with buzzsprout, having the feed, helping with the 775 00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:32,430 authoring tools to get that into a feed. And then we have these 776 00:47:32,430 --> 00:47:35,790 apps just sitting there waiting, going, Oh, boom, I know how to 777 00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:39,510 do that and displays it right in the app. bone. chillingly cool. 778 00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:44,310 I think that this validates the sort of phased approach that 779 00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:48,000 we're taking where, where we hash things out. And then 780 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:52,680 everybody knows the target date. And as things as things start to 781 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,920 get closer and closer to the date, everybody can say, Okay, 782 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,830 this now we can start to start playing with this, we can put it 783 00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:02,310 in beta, we can start to experiment, and then the day it 784 00:48:02,310 --> 00:48:05,790 drops, if something changed, it's like, okay, quick tweak, 785 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:07,650 and we're done. You know, we're ready to ship. 786 00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:10,740 That was really cool. 787 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,020 I think I'm, I'm more excited about this one than I was about 788 00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:19,290 phase one. I mean, phase one was great. But I mean, really the 789 00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:22,410 the chapters and the transcript and all that, but these these 790 00:48:22,410 --> 00:48:28,440 tags here, person, location, and season, those are some killer 791 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:35,370 things, man, like the idea that you could, we can finally take 792 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,590 the the guests and hosts and producers and executive 793 00:48:40,590 --> 00:48:45,660 producers, and writers and, and graphic designers, and all these 794 00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:47,760 things, all these people that contribute to podcasts on a 795 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,720 daily basis, the fact that we can now take those people and 796 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:58,680 stick them into structured bits of data within the feed is so 797 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,340 cool, man. I mean, like, it's great. I don't know, I'm just 798 00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:03,780 kind of eating out about it. But you know, 799 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:08,490 no, no, I totally understand it would be even cooler. If I could 800 00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:11,040 make my feeds have them included. That would 801 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,630 be that would be a wonder if you know anybody that could do that. 802 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,920 I have a different idea. Okay, I'm going to call out to cast a 803 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,200 pod. Okay, and I'd like cast a pod to set up an instance for me 804 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:31,290 of cast a pod. I don't care what it's on. I'll switch the billing 805 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:35,850 to me. I want to create because they seem to be Casta pod seems 806 00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:39,990 to be always up to date on the feed stuff. And you I can't 807 00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:42,930 expect you to be hammering that into the freedom controller 808 00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:45,750 that's just not efficient every single time we create something 809 00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:50,100 or whatever you're gonna know isn't that makes no sense. And 810 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,250 since that's his main goal in life not to either that or maybe 811 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,800 maybe I should do more use WordPress, maybe I should use 812 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,580 the plugin. What do you think that's possible too. 813 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,240 Well, What I think is that we should just throw it. I mean, 814 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,280 you just threw that out there. And we'll see what what people 815 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,790 come back with for suggestions. Yeah, cuz, you know, cuz like, 816 00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:09,420 okay, here's 817 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,020 Catholic default, I tried to set up, it just went, I couldn't get 818 00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:13,350 it done. 819 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:18,060 I tried to set it up too. And I and I gave up. And I just think 820 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,500 that I think there's somebody will have, I think I like your 821 00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:28,740 idea I like either either Ben sets it up for us, or I was just 822 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:30,960 missing something. There's some PHP redirect stuff. And I think 823 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,200 somebody else on the podcast index on that same issue, trying 824 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,280 to set up cast upon, that there was something with the way that 825 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,140 it does redirects and the URL that it was just not I could not 826 00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:45,210 get it working. And I didn't have enough time to 827 00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:49,560 know. Exactly, exactly. So that'll all work out. Because 828 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,940 what's happening now is I have so much to do manually. And 829 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:56,040 although I really like it, because people don't know, the 830 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,690 freedom controller has a just an awesome RSS editor, because it's 831 00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:04,200 an outline. And everything's completely configurable with, 832 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:08,670 you know, just right there on the page. But there's so much I 833 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:14,370 have to do, and every feed has its nuance of the because I do 834 00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:20,550 produce for I guess, the nuance of the feed ID The Good, the 835 00:51:20,550 --> 00:51:27,420 good. And then how that has to be mapped to hyper Capture 836 00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:31,110 Studio hyper Capture Studio, because it automatically creates 837 00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:35,910 this JSON URL from the GUI, or from the link to I made a whole 838 00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:40,410 bunch of things. And inevitably, I wind up like forgetting to 839 00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:45,090 change the pub date, which then makes Episode 22 show up under 840 00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:49,650 Episode 21. If anyone was wondering how that happened, so 841 00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:50,040 that's 842 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,880 too much. Manual, it's a little nicer, specially 843 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,240 after you do the show. And I produce these if no agenda is 844 00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,540 like three and a half hours or whatever. And then, um, you 845 00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:04,560 know, you get sloppy, it's just what happens. Well, you 846 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,430 know, that Martin's RSS feed RSS builder, I think it's what he 847 00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:12,390 called feed builder. That that is, is a really nice, it's the 848 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:16,170 right is Yeah, but it's got a it's got a couple of critical 849 00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:20,460 bugs in it. And but I you know, he's he's a busy guy, he's not 850 00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:20,760 wanted 851 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,120 Martin to work on that. Now. I mean, we have, we have, you 852 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,090 know, it's the same thing. We get a new tag or something, you 853 00:52:27,090 --> 00:52:30,750 know, another face close, that has to be updated Casta pod and 854 00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:35,160 the word it was a pod press is that it was the thought that 855 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,030 it's called plate. 856 00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:39,780 Now, I don't know what Andy's calling it. I'm not sure what 857 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:43,500 the name is. Or if he even has one. I saw his GitHub the other 858 00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:47,580 day, and I thought it was just like a WordPress, podcast plugin 859 00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:52,650 or something like that. And I mean, any anything like that, if 860 00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:55,350 anybody wants to take that ball and run with it so that we can 861 00:52:55,740 --> 00:53:01,260 have a quick way to generate a valid feed with all these new 862 00:53:01,260 --> 00:53:02,430 tags in it. Yeah, at 863 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:05,550 least on podcasting. 2.0 Hello. Well, I 864 00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:10,170 mean, the RSS builder that Martin build, is just got a 865 00:53:10,170 --> 00:53:12,660 couple of bugs in it. I mean, somebody really could sell that 866 00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:13,500 project, brag 867 00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:15,540 that, grab that and just make it work. Yeah, 868 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:18,269 yeah. And just fix a couple of things. And I think it's fine. I 869 00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:20,609 mean, like, if somebody wants to do that, that'd be great, too, 870 00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:25,530 as well. But I personally think if I can help improve the other 871 00:53:25,530 --> 00:53:29,940 projects, such as cast a pod, yeah, True. True. You know, then 872 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:33,810 I'm then I'm really helping or the or the WordPress podcast, 873 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,020 play a plug in. Either way, I then will contribute. So it's 874 00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:37,650 probably better. 875 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:44,610 And I have the new podcast apps.com, the podcast index.org 876 00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:51,570 slash apps. I incorporated the changes into that. I feel 877 00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:55,290 terrible. He did that. He made those changes that to make the 878 00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:56,670 mobile appearance better. 879 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:57,480 Oh, 880 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,240 yeah. I just saw the PR for it. 881 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,470 Yeah, I incorporated. I pulled that PR down when I did the 882 00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:07,650 namespace update on the on the site. So it, it looks a lot 883 00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:09,960 better. Now. If you want to look at that on your phone. 884 00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:14,640 Just exactly what I'm doing a new podcast. Let me see. The 885 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:21,090 mobile was kind of hurting. You see, the thing is, I think we 886 00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:27,960 need one more. Okay, so the problem I'm seeing here, I'm 887 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,730 just gonna say it because this obviously this shows everything 888 00:54:32,730 --> 00:54:35,670 for the project. But if I send someone the new podcast apps, 889 00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:38,040 the first thing to look at is where's Android? Where's 890 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,690 Android? And there's and so first thing you see is 891 00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:45,870 applications using the podcast namespace for elements that are 892 00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:51,510 in so yes, while true. That's not what new podcast apps calm 893 00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:57,750 should portray. So while this is great for searching for pieces 894 00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:58,890 of functionality, 895 00:55:00,690 --> 00:55:02,250 Well, it's Mitch. Mitch did that, 896 00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:05,880 right? But Mitch, yeah. So it needs to be split up, we need to 897 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,860 have hosts, or hosting software or solutions and apps. And then 898 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:20,460 it needs to be separated by Android, iOS, and Linux. Okay? 899 00:55:20,910 --> 00:55:25,260 Because we just need to that language can be moved to the 900 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:30,000 bottom. And maybe even the elements can be moved to the 901 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,640 bottom, because what I want to see when I pop up is I want to 902 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,530 see all these apps. And they're there. Except it's interspersed 903 00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:40,350 with the hosting companies. And it's just confusing. 904 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,770 Okay, yeah. So it's just, it needs to be some rearranging 905 00:55:43,770 --> 00:55:44,220 that's done. 906 00:55:44,669 --> 00:55:48,329 It's just rearranging I think, if, if we could take all the 907 00:55:48,509 --> 00:55:52,649 stuff at the top of the page. So the explanation and the elements 908 00:55:52,649 --> 00:55:57,089 and move that down to the bottom, and then have apps and 909 00:55:57,089 --> 00:56:00,719 then have the three categories or four if we have four, and 910 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,429 then hosting companies self hosting. cool shit, you know, 911 00:56:05,429 --> 00:56:08,939 whatever it is. Yeah. Because we have we have cool shit too. And 912 00:56:08,939 --> 00:56:13,799 by the way, I think and web apps is probably its own category. 913 00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,080 Do you think so? Like made a metal iPod iPod? Yeah, yeah, 914 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,620 maybe. 915 00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:22,710 I mean, it can be in multiple that can be in more than one. 916 00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:30,120 And because you mentioned the the season tag, no. Was it NPR 917 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,880 PBS who was interested in this? I can't remember 918 00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:38,220 that. NPR. NPR. So yes, stay stay. Stacy. 919 00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:41,700 We gave you what you want. Stacy over at NPR make happen. How 920 00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:45,810 about having one developer? Maybe over the course of two 921 00:56:45,810 --> 00:56:51,270 weeks? Just create a cool little NPR podcast app. Everything's 922 00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:52,290 there for you, girl. 923 00:56:53,220 --> 00:56:54,030 Yeah, boss. 924 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:56,940 Hey, Stacy, over there at NPR. 925 00:56:56,999 --> 00:56:58,469 And now it's time for? 926 00:56:59,970 --> 00:57:03,900 named Stacey. I know you want your season. Let me be all 927 00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:08,730 quatre statue only for you. Make your own? I don't know. Make 928 00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:11,850 your own. Make an NPR app. 929 00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:15,420 It comes it comes with a pack of cigarettes. 930 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,780 So what else do we have unfazed and wet? So phase two, when do 931 00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:28,530 we close? 932 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,900 phase two is closed it closed? 933 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,850 When did we get when did we close? 934 00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:34,290 Oh 131. 935 00:57:35,130 --> 00:57:36,180 Right. Okay. Yeah. So 936 00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:36,990 what was that Sunday? 937 00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:42,840 Monday? Yeah. And in that we have a person person. Yep. 938 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:49,260 person, location, season and episode. And what is the 939 00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:55,410 episode? That episode is just so you know, in the iTunes 940 00:57:55,410 --> 00:58:00,000 namespace yet season and episode. In the end, they they 941 00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:04,350 see that they they're married together. So the idea of season 942 00:58:04,410 --> 00:58:07,710 you have a season and in an episode denotes What? What? 943 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:10,920 chronological order, you know that come to the show comes in 944 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,120 and in the season. So we really had to have both here as well. 945 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,310 If we're going to replicate season, we need to replicate 946 00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:19,920 episode as well, because it just makes sense. That way, we did a 947 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,100 little tweak on episode where you can have like a special 948 00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:27,480 number. So okay, perfect example like, you know, the overall 949 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,910 nogen Do y'all do a? a special episode every now and then it 950 00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:37,770 was like 100.5 or something like that. Mm hmm. And like this, 951 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,840 this episode tag lets you do that you can say, Okay, this is 952 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,870 a special episode. And you can give it a fractional number. You 953 00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:49,080 can give it a like a decimal number. And it'll Cranleigh. 954 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:55,200 It's supposed to tell the App Player the app, the app, that it 955 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,080 should sort that episode between two other numbers. 956 00:58:58,110 --> 00:59:03,480 Ah, oh, cool. Tell me pod friend already has that it working now? 957 00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:10,200 Probably because because Stacy, NPR. He could look at it. Make 958 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,700 your seasons the way you want. 959 00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:17,220 Yep. It's and we went around about a little bit with whether 960 00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:20,790 or not you know how to tweak that tag out. But it was pretty 961 00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:24,840 simple. And I think that, that it'll code and it coexists. 962 00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:27,660 Those two tax season and episode coexist perfectly with the 963 00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:32,490 iTunes season stuff. So you can you don't lose any functionality 964 00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:36,720 at all by using those. By by having them both in there. It 965 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,850 doesn't mess anything up or all that kind of stuff. So you can 966 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:42,570 just drop those extra tags in there. And podcast apps that 967 00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:44,910 recognize it will should just be able to pick it up right off the 968 00:59:44,910 --> 00:59:47,850 bat. Wow, man, 969 00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:49,380 we're building something big here. 970 00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:53,610 I think so. We got to figure out what's up with phase three. Now. 971 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,260 What do we have open still? 972 00:59:55,919 --> 00:59:59,999 Well, I think okay, here's and people can pipe in and tell me 973 01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:05,699 If they are feeling the same way, but I, I sort of feel like 974 01:00:06,419 --> 01:00:09,689 it's time to tackle the alternate enclosure thing. 975 01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:11,970 Yes, I'm with you. 976 01:00:12,450 --> 01:00:16,320 And that seriously may be the only tag in phase three. Because 977 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:16,680 I have a 978 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,710 value. Where's value? Is that still open? Right? 979 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:22,950 Yeah, but I don't know that we can even focus on putting that 980 01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:27,930 in a phase right now. Because the because we're not we're not 981 01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:33,030 finished building it. Like I don't even in in, like, we still 982 01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:36,000 have chicken and egg stuff happening with how to get the, 983 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,060 with getting apps and all that kind of stuff. I feel like on 984 01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:44,820 the value tag, that it can remain experimental for a while 985 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:51,000 until we can get some apps until we get to him. I feel like that. 986 01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:53,040 For that tag. We have to feel like we have to have the 987 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,760 infrastructure in place before the tag goes. goes into. 988 01:00:57,390 --> 01:01:02,970 I'm with you. Well, definitely for for phase three alternate 989 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:08,340 enclosure, because we have so much excitement around ipfs but 990 01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:13,080 also shout out to Brian of London talk about our equity 991 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:18,390 there in the meeting. Yeah, I mean, we, we we had other 992 01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:23,910 blockchains represented. Yes. And I will point out he said 993 01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:27,690 that there's much hotter chicks are working over at hive than on 994 01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:33,930 lightning. So I thought that quite misogynistic. But I loved 995 01:01:33,930 --> 01:01:34,110 it. 996 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:39,540 Brian Bray always bring no in how to get the app developers 997 01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:41,130 involved. There is such a 998 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:47,640 such a deficit of women in there is not just in podcast index, 999 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,480 but in the lightning development, even though 1000 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,790 lightning labs itself is run by a woman. 1001 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,520 Yeah, lightning Labs is a very diverse, 1002 01:01:56,729 --> 01:02:01,499 yes, yeah. But in the actual development arena, which which 1003 01:02:01,499 --> 01:02:05,429 I've seen, I just haven't seen many women. That's sausage fast, 1004 01:02:05,429 --> 01:02:09,209 man. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not really a sausage fest 1005 01:02:09,209 --> 01:02:11,279 now is it? It's not like a bunch of dudes. 1006 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,540 It's like, I've got a buddy who is a philosophy, who teaches 1007 01:02:18,540 --> 01:02:24,540 philosophy at UAB, here in Birmingham. And he, so I, I've 1008 01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:27,480 been reading these articles about for a couple years now 1009 01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:32,430 about how the student body at colleges is skewing more and 1010 01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:36,750 more female. So now it's like, I think the last article I read 1011 01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:42,480 was like, it's like 65% women on the typical college campus. And 1012 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:46,440 so and I asked him about that when we had the adult dinner a 1013 01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,920 few few weeks ago, I was like, are you seeing this in your 1014 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,060 classes? And he said, He's like, Oh, yeah, totally. He said, he 1015 01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:58,140 said that on a typical, so he teaches like, he teaches like 1016 01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:04,320 ethics. And so he all this, you know it, that's a core class. So 1017 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,470 all of this, he's going to his classes are going to be not 1018 01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:10,950 philosophy majors, they're going to be mostly just general 1019 01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:14,370 student body. So it should be representative of the student 1020 01:03:14,370 --> 01:03:17,670 body as a whole for the most part. So he said that in his 1021 01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:20,550 classes, he said, it's about that's about right. He said it 1022 01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:29,640 is 65 or 70% female. And he said the men in the class, are they 1023 01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:33,720 they're on both extreme ends of the spectrum. So he said they're 1024 01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:37,620 either the smartest people you've ever met. Or they're 1025 01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:41,040 complete idiots. He's like, 1026 01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:43,320 and they're all there though. That's interesting. 1027 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:46,830 Yeah. But he said the women is this nice this nice, sort of 1028 01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:52,170 like, level and not level but like this nice mix all along the 1029 01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:55,410 the range of like people who are, you know, struggling to get 1030 01:03:55,410 --> 01:03:58,620 to the class, and then you have smart ones. And then you got 1031 01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:00,810 people in the middle and you got, you know, you got normies 1032 01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:04,260 in there. But he said on the men side, he's like he, they're 1033 01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:06,900 either complete morons, and you don't even know how they get to 1034 01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,530 college, or the complete other end of the spectrum and the 1035 01:04:10,530 --> 01:04:13,350 smartest people in the room. But he said like, there's no middle, 1036 01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:16,170 there's nothing in the middle. And he said all his comment was 1037 01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:19,260 all the dudes that would have fallen in the middle are all 1038 01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:23,250 programmers. Yeah, yeah. We're not going to they're not going 1039 01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:23,880 to college. 1040 01:04:24,330 --> 01:04:30,570 Yeah, and it's, it's, it's it's a whole world man. It's like, I 1041 01:04:30,570 --> 01:04:36,660 see the the building. It's just, I'm too old too, but I can I can 1042 01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:39,780 see it. You grow up with Minecraft. You grew up with all 1043 01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:45,210 these these things with gaming. You know, we you and I still had 1044 01:04:45,210 --> 01:04:47,550 the phone attached to the wall you know, with a long cord that 1045 01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:51,510 got all tangled and messy and not at the rotary. Yeah, I mean, 1046 01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:55,230 so to see these tools and I think was really Wall Street 1047 01:04:55,230 --> 01:04:59,430 bets that put me in the mindset of Oh, okay. Now I get it and I 1048 01:04:59,430 --> 01:05:02,040 look at their hits. When I hear someone talking about the 70s 1049 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,510 the way we would talk about the 50s because it's exactly that 1050 01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:07,770 it's 50 years ago. 1051 01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:10,200 Oh, that's Oh, that's don't do that. 1052 01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:15,630 Yeah, I have to, though because well, yeah. But that's so you 1053 01:05:15,630 --> 01:05:18,120 know, now it's the 90s, you know, and we think of the 90s. 1054 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,020 Like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that was yesterday. Yeah, 1055 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,930 exactly. Where were you? And I was already on the internet. And 1056 01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:28,230 then so we have just a whole different group they've grown up 1057 01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:33,090 they have they get massive respect from me for how they are 1058 01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:35,940 determining their own future and Bitcoin is a part of that maybe 1059 01:05:35,940 --> 01:05:39,270 all kryptos are but bitcoins a sovereign nature of it. That 1060 01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:40,200 philosophy? 1061 01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:43,530 Yeah, that's what got me about jack Mahler's and on the what 1062 01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:47,880 Bitcoin did thing is even talking about, you know about 1063 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,360 that group and how they're taking how they're taking back, 1064 01:05:51,450 --> 01:05:53,940 you know, money, financial freedom, and that kind of thing. 1065 01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:58,230 And I didn't, I'd never really heard him very much, even though 1066 01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:59,340 man you've communicated with 1067 01:06:00,030 --> 01:06:03,930 his his, he's smart as a whip his interviews blow me away, 1068 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,380 blow me away, and he has fire, you know, he's angry. Like, he 1069 01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:09,510 is highly intelligent individual. Yeah, 1070 01:06:09,540 --> 01:06:16,020 I like the fire, like the anger like that. It's as good. As you 1071 01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:18,450 know, this is what happens in these depressive time, some of 1072 01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:21,540 the best art comes out. And as you know, software development 1073 01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:25,980 in my book is science and art, sometimes more art than science. 1074 01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:30,120 That more you're more always more art than science Really? 1075 01:06:30,450 --> 01:06:34,020 Well, you know, so based on the conversation that we had on this 1076 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,050 the other day, I mean, this, man, there's a lot that code is 1077 01:06:37,050 --> 01:06:38,790 art right there, man, those guys are tough. 1078 01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:43,290 And I and I wanted to remind everybody, as you're building 1079 01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:47,310 this out, remember your value sliders, or knobs, or whatever 1080 01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:51,300 you do. And remember, your boost buttons, boost buttons is the 1081 01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:56,430 magic is I want to say, I don't know exactly the universe that 1082 01:06:56,430 --> 01:07:01,470 we have. And some of it is I've been boosting myself, which is, 1083 01:07:01,470 --> 01:07:04,140 in fact, illegal in your state. Data it 1084 01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:06,450 is it is don't don't use pitch data here. 1085 01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:12,510 But I so I set up my own podcaster wallet node at at 1086 01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:17,370 voltage, so I could connect. And I can use Thunder hub, and get 1087 01:07:17,370 --> 01:07:20,850 real overviews of 24 hours, you know, a day, a week, a month, a 1088 01:07:20,850 --> 01:07:29,700 year, see what's happening. And I am up to over $2 per day. Oh, 1089 01:07:29,730 --> 01:07:37,710 okay. So now just think if I mean, so for months, now I've 1090 01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:40,800 seen the I just call it our magic money machine working. 1091 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,710 Which means I've seen, you know, satoshis come in almost every 1092 01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:49,950 single minute of every hour of every day on the podcast index. 1093 01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:54,060 Now it's very small. It's a, you know, one, one to three satoshis 1094 01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:57,270 at a time, typically not more, depending on if there's a split 1095 01:07:57,270 --> 01:08:00,750 from a boost, but my own podcast or node, because I had all that 1096 01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:03,270 stuff go into Sphinx. And then we changed it and I started to 1097 01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:06,930 pay attention to it and start doing the stats. There's no one. 1098 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,520 Almost no one is using this stuff. And I'm getting $2. So 1099 01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:16,560 when we have liftoff, and apps are being used and wallets are 1100 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,640 created and SATs are flowing, I can go back to my model. I think 1101 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,110 we can multiply what I'm receiving now, maybe by 1000. 1102 01:08:26,069 --> 01:08:30,269 See, I think there should be okay here. Here's my I think 1103 01:08:30,269 --> 01:08:34,529 there should be a three way thing going here. There should 1104 01:08:34,529 --> 01:08:39,209 be four podcast apps that are implementing us right now. It 1105 01:08:39,209 --> 01:08:44,789 feels like there should be a per per time interval. Send just 1106 01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:47,909 like we've always talked about per minute per hour, whatever it 1107 01:08:47,909 --> 01:08:53,129 is. Then the boost where you can set it set a custom boost amount 1108 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:55,829 and you can boost podcast whenever you want. And then 1109 01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:59,189 there's a third thing where it's just like a I think you could 1110 01:08:59,189 --> 01:09:04,139 tap a button and just send a one time like mega boost. Like a 1111 01:09:04,139 --> 01:09:08,369 donate. Like literally a donation a baller boost, a 1112 01:09:08,369 --> 01:09:12,329 baller boost Yeah, it's total total baller boost a Lister 1113 01:09:12,809 --> 01:09:17,549 because what I had to do the okay so once things outstanding, 1114 01:09:17,549 --> 01:09:20,849 I'm addicted to the call that comes out the podcast. So once 1115 01:09:20,849 --> 01:09:25,529 things I was I had my slider pegged. And I'm listening and 1116 01:09:25,529 --> 01:09:31,259 then and I have my boost button set to 133 because that's not 1117 01:09:31,259 --> 01:09:36,449 typical boost. But on that show I was like, man, I really want 1118 01:09:36,449 --> 01:09:38,609 to give this guy like 20 bucks right now. 1119 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,650 Mm hmm. So you had to boost multiple times? 1120 01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:43,859 Yeah, I had to boost like 50 times to get you know to come in 1121 01:09:43,859 --> 01:09:46,019 and then I'm like I'm trying to do the math in my head. I'm 1122 01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:48,419 like, you know what, what am I gonna boosting now? I 1123 01:09:48,419 --> 01:09:51,599 mean, I mean any guy I don't know many guys who can boost 50 1124 01:09:51,599 --> 01:09:55,499 times in a row Dave, I'm excited by your your prowess here. 1125 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,210 But there's a refractory period. Okay, I 1126 01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:59,970 guess I got to recover. 1127 01:10:03,389 --> 01:10:07,289 Um, I think that I think that is, you know, you get the, the 1128 01:10:07,289 --> 01:10:11,159 the boost regular and then you get the super boost that you can 1129 01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:16,409 just customize. Like, because then those three things cover 1130 01:10:16,409 --> 01:10:19,379 like every ability to send money to a podcast. Yeah, 1131 01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:22,260 I can think Yeah, exactly. And it's so simple. 1132 01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:27,060 But even then there's also what Dame Jennifer talked about. She 1133 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:33,960 She posted on no agenda social the other day that she was a 1134 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,950 little worried about not be when people send her donations 1135 01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:41,160 through PayPal, they have a note. And so she's worried that 1136 01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:43,290 she's not gonna be able to tell who sent it. 1137 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,110 Well, here's what is so beautiful as I was looking at 1138 01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:48,780 the telegram group, actually, that was I forgot to mention, 1139 01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:51,420 right, put in my show notes. One of the beautiful things that 1140 01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:55,860 came out of that meeting is all of a sudden, everyone's talking 1141 01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:58,740 and it's like, okay, we need to, we need to spec for this, we 1142 01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:02,190 need a definition for the memo field and how we're going to do 1143 01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:05,040 that. And everyone was like, it was like, Whoa, shit, look at 1144 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,690 that. It's like the cats. I'll just went together. And I saw in 1145 01:11:09,690 --> 01:11:11,790 the telegram group, you know, there's Oh, yeah, we're doing 1146 01:11:11,790 --> 01:11:14,370 this and this structure. And it's a little, you know, it's, 1147 01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:19,800 it's, I'm sure it's JSON. But it is. So he goes a little bit 1148 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,160 above me, but I can see that I call man, look at this. We're 1149 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,260 creating a spec for the memo field, for sending the satoshis 1150 01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:33,000 at. Yeah, I love that. I also had a lot of fun with Martin. I 1151 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,090 helped him set up his node. Okay. And in Thunder hub, 1152 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,660 there's a chat. And so if you have a channel or if you're 1153 01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:43,650 appeared with a with another node, then you can chat back and 1154 01:11:43,650 --> 01:11:48,750 forth. And to see Martin's amazement, because he said, 1155 01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:51,240 Because first I funded his node, you know, like, dude, I'll just 1156 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,490 send you 303,333 SATs boom, sent him that so his node was funded. 1157 01:11:56,940 --> 01:12:00,570 And then I sent him a chat and he said, Hey, it just went to 1158 01:12:00,570 --> 01:12:05,760 3334. I said, you have replied to me, boom. Oh. So we're 1159 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,390 sending this one Satoshi back and forth with a chat message. 1160 01:12:09,420 --> 01:12:13,140 And I think when you see that happen all sudden, like, oh, the 1161 01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:18,240 world? Yeah, like that's your distributed chat. That's your 1162 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:23,670 boost record. So people can you know, so you can not only boost 1163 01:12:23,670 --> 01:12:28,200 someone have a note show up for the for the podcaster. But also 1164 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,710 have it appear maybe in other apps like oh my god, Dave just 1165 01:12:31,710 --> 01:12:36,450 did a baller boost. In McHugh. Imagine how cool that would be 1166 01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:40,050 if you can, if that's what's missing from everything. The 1167 01:12:40,050 --> 01:12:43,710 reason why YouTube works and clubhouse and all this other 1168 01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:48,240 stuff, is because the community comes together, at the same time 1169 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:52,260 in the same place, in essence, what Sphinx Chad is doing, but 1170 01:12:52,260 --> 01:12:55,740 they put the chat upfront, which I think has a different 1171 01:12:55,740 --> 01:13:01,110 experience. Whereas with a podcast app, putting that 1172 01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:05,250 communication feature into it that'll work across app 1173 01:13:05,250 --> 01:13:08,490 regardless of who it is fun, man that can't then we're 1174 01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:11,550 unstoppable, unstoppable. This is this is the number one 1175 01:13:11,550 --> 01:13:15,090 request mo has for me. He says I don't know exactly what you're 1176 01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:17,910 doing in this podcasting to put on it is I'm giving you a 1177 01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:22,050 message from the street. And because he's a super YouTuber, 1178 01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:27,690 he understands that, that that whole vibe, the whole culture of 1179 01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:31,350 YouTubing, and it's the chat, the chat, the chat, the chat. 1180 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,650 And then the next thing he says to me, he said to me months ago, 1181 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,210 clubhouse, this is the shit. And and I realize what it is, it's 1182 01:13:39,210 --> 01:13:43,980 really, that everyone can participate in that really only 1183 01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:47,730 works if you're on the same platform, slash app, whatever. 1184 01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:53,100 And then he also mentioned to me library, and that was getting a 1185 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:58,500 lot of uptake. Because library is paying content producers, for 1186 01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:01,500 the number of people that watch their content. Now you have now 1187 01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:04,560 as I explained to him, okay, these are grants, these are 1188 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,610 coming from x i think PayPal guys, they want their library 1189 01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:12,570 token or whatever it is to be the the main mechanism for this, 1190 01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:16,320 I recommend against it. I don't know enough about it. But 1191 01:14:16,350 --> 01:14:18,660 whenever you have something that's a little fuzzy, and 1192 01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:21,300 there's something that's being used in the middle, maybe 1193 01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:24,000 completely open for all I know, but I just asked 1194 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:24,900 is doing that to you, right? 1195 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,190 It's just doing the same thing, of course, and it's gonna be sad 1196 01:14:29,190 --> 01:14:33,720 when either you're cut out of the deal or you get the deal, 1197 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,780 you start making money and then they cut you out because you 1198 01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:41,910 took the wrong way, you know, so that that that is just a non 1199 01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:46,230 starter for me. But the overall message was you create something 1200 01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:51,090 like that. And there's not I mean, think about it, YouTube 1201 01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:55,110 couldn't compete. couldn't compete with it. Well, 1202 01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:58,020 we talked about this, I talked about this with john cigi on the 1203 01:14:58,110 --> 01:14:58,980 on the podcast. I 1204 01:14:58,980 --> 01:15:01,260 can't wait until this Heart drops. 1205 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,690 And maybe I'm overselling it hear me like, no, but we thought 1206 01:15:06,690 --> 01:15:09,090 we talked about I think it's towards the end of the show is 1207 01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:13,800 kind of like, Well, you know, I was just talking about how, what 1208 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:19,350 I consider to be success for this whole endeavor. And, and, 1209 01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:24,240 and I don't think I may not have articulated it very well. But 1210 01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:28,350 what, what I, I've had chance to think about it. And I think the 1211 01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:34,290 way I would define success with with the value for value stuff 1212 01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:38,520 is that I can imagine, let's just say a Rails put an 1213 01:15:38,970 --> 01:15:42,180 arbitrary time on it, let's just say one year from now, I can 1214 01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:50,280 imagine that there are maybe 200 podcasters, running their own 1215 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,000 lightning nodes, including john jG including you, including, you 1216 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,320 know, including max Kaiser, or either 1217 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,770 way, they're on boarded. They're already receiving SATs, they've 1218 01:16:01,770 --> 01:16:05,010 got their voltage, no, they are flipping out, they can't wait to 1219 01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:07,320 promote any new app that makes this possible. 1220 01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:14,640 Nice. Okay, so let's just say you have 200 podcasters that 1221 01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:23,910 each have a, a big lightning node. And over, you know, at 1222 01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:28,980 that point, what you have is a fully funded payment network for 1223 01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:33,390 podcasting. And then you can start to lay your own stuff on 1224 01:16:33,390 --> 01:16:37,410 top of that, like yours. Thanks for chat relays, your your media 1225 01:16:37,410 --> 01:16:42,480 distribution. Yeah. Even even that maybe the feeds themselves, 1226 01:16:43,050 --> 01:16:45,720 or at least like ipfs lately, well, that, you 1227 01:16:46,350 --> 01:16:49,830 know, that's what spinx is doing is they're working on it, as 1228 01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:52,320 they call it, the meme, an expansion of the meme server or 1229 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,020 the media server, but they were they were thinking of this as 1230 01:16:55,020 --> 01:16:59,070 well. Yeah. And they lead on that I mean, the Sphinx chat 1231 01:16:59,070 --> 01:17:01,860 stuff, and it's it comes bundled. Now with the recipe 1232 01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:05,700 Blitz, I haven't really had time to dive into it, I figured the 1233 01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:09,300 next time I upgrade, then I'll maybe dive into it. But this 1234 01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:10,230 stuff is out there. 1235 01:17:12,210 --> 01:17:14,940 At that point, I think that once you hit critical, some sort of 1236 01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:17,640 critical mass point like that, I really think it's going to be 1237 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,000 important for the for the podcast hosts to get on board. 1238 01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:25,230 Yeah. Because Because then because they are the tools that 1239 01:17:25,230 --> 01:17:27,960 everyone uses. You know, we talked about this a couple of 1240 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,040 times recently that the podcast, you know, the podcast hosts, 1241 01:17:32,490 --> 01:17:36,450 it's really, I mean, yes, they provide discounted bandwidth. 1242 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,400 But the the real big value of a host is in the incredibly easy 1243 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,460 tools that they have. You got the author? Sure, yeah, the 1244 01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:47,460 authoring. So like now, let's just say you had a few 100, 1245 01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:49,770 lightning nodes out there, and you're meeting people getting 1246 01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:52,320 paid and all this kind of stuff happening. And it's a robust 1247 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,060 system, within, as long as the hosts get on board. And they put 1248 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,720 they build a node, they build a build a big node, they can bring 1249 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,200 those tools to the decentralized part. Yeah. And everybody can 1250 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,470 have the same tools are familiar with. And then it doesn't matter 1251 01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:10,440 what the distribution mechanism is. And the beautiful part about 1252 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:14,340 it is this world of lightning makes everything costs something 1253 01:18:14,730 --> 01:18:19,530 free is over. And even though a chat message costs one Satoshi 1254 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,770 it costs me one Satoshi. And there's a huge psychological 1255 01:18:22,770 --> 01:18:25,710 difference to that. 100% agree. 1256 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,550 And it really removes the whole moderation issue. I mean, it 1257 01:18:29,550 --> 01:18:33,660 does so much goodness, with all the possibilities. And once 1258 01:18:33,660 --> 01:18:36,150 you've seen it, and once you start to figure it out what you 1259 01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:40,740 can do with digital money. I wake up at 230 in the morning, 1260 01:18:40,740 --> 01:18:43,950 sometimes and I have to write it down like Oh, crap, look what we 1261 01:18:43,950 --> 01:18:46,380 can do with this. Unbelievable. 1262 01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:49,530 Unbelievable. Well, I 1263 01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:52,950 don't think some people I know, we need to thank some people. 1264 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,790 This is a very important part of our value for value model. This 1265 01:18:56,790 --> 01:19:00,330 is the entire project runs free open source software value for 1266 01:19:00,330 --> 01:19:05,370 value, lots of acronyms, FOS s, V four, V, 1267 01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:08,700 and MLM. Yes, 1268 01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:15,690 no MLM. And the idea is, we create value with what we've 1269 01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:20,250 started here, people come on board contribute value. We 1270 01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:22,860 really look for three things, three things time, talent, and 1271 01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:26,070 treasure. Well, we got tons of time and talents that people are 1272 01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:28,290 contributing, I'm sure everybody wish they would have more time 1273 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:33,270 to contribute. And, and treasure is, is necessary to keep the 1274 01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:35,820 machines running. And we see a lot of people getting value out 1275 01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:38,850 of the project, who may not be able to help specifically in 1276 01:19:38,850 --> 01:19:41,700 those ways, but they love helping out the project and it 1277 01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:44,460 keeps it all running and it keeps us open and honest. No 1278 01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:48,000 commercial money, no corporate money, no venture money, little 1279 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,330 bit of our own money and we just spun up the tournament and it's 1280 01:19:51,330 --> 01:19:55,020 rolling along. And if you want to support you can go to podcast 1281 01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:57,990 index.org. Scroll down to the bottom, there's a QR code if you 1282 01:19:57,990 --> 01:20:03,150 want to send us some lightning payment, and there's also A a 1283 01:20:03,150 --> 01:20:06,960 big red Donate button to send us some some cookbooks through 1284 01:20:06,990 --> 01:20:11,940 through the PayPal. Who said I think it was? I don't know. I 1285 01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:14,370 think it was Marty. I think I got it from Marty tails. 1286 01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:20,820 cookbooks. I love it. cookbook. So who do we thank you for for 1287 01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:21,840 this week. Dave? 1288 01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:26,550 Speaking of tantallon treasure, we got Kevin Bay. He says he 1289 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:30,690 gave us 100 bucks. Wow. Yeah. And he says, gentlemen, I don't 1290 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:33,690 know if I'll ever develop enough talent or have enough time, so I 1291 01:20:33,690 --> 01:20:35,070 thought I'd better throw in some treasure. 1292 01:20:35,130 --> 01:20:39,630 Yes. That's exactly how you can help. Thank you, man. It's very 1293 01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:40,590 appreciated. 1294 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,500 I think what you're doing has the potential to D platform, the 1295 01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:46,290 major media and social media platforms. Should you get the 1296 01:20:46,290 --> 01:20:47,760 payment stream to flow? Well, 1297 01:20:47,790 --> 01:20:50,970 I just they're also all welcome here. Yeah, they can come to you 1298 01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:51,900 and they can come to us. 1299 01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:55,470 I just want to be some small part of this effort. Go 1300 01:20:55,470 --> 01:21:03,270 podcasting? Yeah. Thank you, Kevin. That was generous, man. 1301 01:21:04,710 --> 01:21:10,650 Let's see. Craig O'Donnell. Give us 4999 I'm not sure what the 1302 01:21:11,490 --> 01:21:12,480 throw in a penny I guess. 1303 01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:14,730 Oh, shoot. 1304 01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:17,910 He says thank you guys. Craig O'Donnell. 1305 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:25,650 Let me see. Do I have a penny? No, I don't have a cent maybe. 1306 01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:29,700 It's weird. It's the I don't have the no agenda. donation. 1307 01:21:30,150 --> 01:21:35,550 Okay, job and but good. Reason. Three, the next one, and I'll 1308 01:21:35,550 --> 01:21:38,070 bring it in. I'll make it actually I can make it happen 1309 01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:39,210 right now. Here we go. Yeah, 1310 01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:40,499 he got dig all the way to the bottom. Yeah, I 1311 01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,750 gotta dig in the bottom of the pocket. And 1312 01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:50,640 there you go. 50 bucks. There it is. 50, Craig. Thank you, Craig. 1313 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:57,000 We appreciate that. Oh, here we go. Benjamin Bellamy. cast a 1314 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,390 pod. Again, thank you guys for what you're doing seeing all 1315 01:22:00,390 --> 01:22:03,000 these person tags and location tags everywhere. This is so 1316 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,350 cool. In it, and there are still so many things to build exciting 1317 01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:12,360 times. Ah, what about podcast index version on ipfs? Have you 1318 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,400 ever thought about it? Yes. Yeah. 1319 01:22:14,940 --> 01:22:19,290 You better believe it? Well, you heard today. Yes. Yes. That's 1320 01:22:19,290 --> 01:22:23,490 fantastic. I love I love it when people have similar ideas. So 1321 01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:26,910 yes, is a decentralized index caster pod is about to get 1322 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:29,910 connected to activity pub so that podcasters can take control 1323 01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:33,510 back from closed social networks. Good luck with that, 1324 01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:34,980 man. Perfect. Well, I'm 1325 01:22:34,979 --> 01:22:36,239 looking forward to using it. 1326 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,440 And he gave us rs 45 saona. 4571. I'm sorry. 1327 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,090 I dropped some more coin here. 1328 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:51,060 Lucky you been 4570 Thank you, man. I'll see up 3333 1329 01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:51,810 got to know that 1330 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:59,010 magic number. And it's from our buddy drips got a loyal ponemah 1331 01:22:59,010 --> 01:23:00,600 listener. Oh, 1332 01:23:02,100 --> 01:23:08,730 promo. podcasting 2.0 no agenda and mo facts yet. And he does 1333 01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:10,440 the chapters for all of them. 1334 01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:14,130 Hey, Jeff Scott is a national treasure. 1335 01:23:14,610 --> 01:23:17,550 He is a national trend, you know what he's also besides the fact 1336 01:23:17,550 --> 01:23:21,450 that he broke and found all kinds of bugs and hyper capture, 1337 01:23:21,450 --> 01:23:23,670 which is what you have what happens when you have someone 1338 01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:27,540 using something and you know, full time production. But he's, 1339 01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:29,550 he's come up with other interesting questions. You know, 1340 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:32,820 he asked me that day. Hey, how was this came up on podcast 1341 01:23:32,820 --> 01:23:37,320 index social today? How is? You know, is it okay for me to just 1342 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:41,430 link these images from no agenda art generator? So that's a good 1343 01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:43,590 question. I hadn't even thought about it, because that's where 1344 01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:44,520 he's getting them from. 1345 01:23:46,380 --> 01:23:49,800 That'll put a lot of load on that. Right. I put a lot of load 1346 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,670 on that server. Yeah, 1347 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:54,750 mine. I mean, I've reached out to Paul, who runs it, and he'll 1348 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:57,480 let me know. And otherwise, you know, that'll be another piece 1349 01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:00,990 of authoring that has to be done to make that simple for for 1350 01:24:00,990 --> 01:24:05,670 uploads. But regardless, drab is a Yeah, as you say, is a 1351 01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:11,100 national treasure. He is a huge contributor to podcasting. 2.0 1352 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:15,990 and I, the way I feel is because of the constant chapters that 1353 01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:21,390 all of my shows include. I think that influenced Cridland i think 1354 01:24:21,450 --> 01:24:25,080 i think James Cridland started to do chapters in in pod news 1355 01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:30,270 dotnet because you know, I was beating his ass. And it's cool 1356 01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:34,020 and now when I see you know, I smile, man. When I bring up 1357 01:24:35,340 --> 01:24:38,280 although I only see it briefly because I'll start playing it on 1358 01:24:38,580 --> 01:24:41,430 pod friend like Oh, no. And I switch over to speak so that I 1359 01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:44,910 can like a stream and you pay it Yeah, of course and any any 1360 01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:48,300 podcast that I can pay. I'm jumping on board right away. 1361 01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:52,859 Jessica says supporting just supporting the work Keep up the 1362 01:24:52,859 --> 01:24:53,489 great work. 1363 01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:56,190 Thank you dread you are doing great work 1364 01:24:59,550 --> 01:25:04,470 last night Um, I have a feeling that my connection is really bad 1365 01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:04,860 right now. 1366 01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:07,170 That's okay. And you smile. You sound good. 1367 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,580 Okay. All right, says, let's say this is from Alex Campbell. And 1368 01:25:11,580 --> 01:25:13,860 it's $5. He says, Thank you for your courage. 1369 01:25:13,979 --> 01:25:15,839 Oh, thank you, Alex. Alex very much. 1370 01:25:17,190 --> 01:25:20,340 Appreciate that. And that's good Greek fans. 1371 01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:25,020 Beautiful group handsome group. Fine people, just beautiful 1372 01:25:25,020 --> 01:25:27,450 people. No, no, don't say a Dave don't Oh, 1373 01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:30,360 hell is 1374 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,270 gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Just like, 1375 01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:38,370 Yeah. Just let me know where we stand. Good week. Good week, I 1376 01:25:38,370 --> 01:25:42,090 would say fantastic week, man. Congratulations on everything 1377 01:25:42,090 --> 01:25:44,460 that has happened so far. You know what you were saying about 1378 01:25:44,460 --> 01:25:51,900 success? Now I got 10 years on you, I think in a, but this is 1379 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:57,570 success. This, this part to me is success. I mean, we've we've 1380 01:25:57,570 --> 01:26:00,900 started something, we've sparked something, it may be very 1381 01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:05,460 different in two years from now, who knows? What will be used? 1382 01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:08,580 Who will be using it? You know, will the index be? Will there be 1383 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:12,540 a competing index? It doesn't matter. I'm excited about all of 1384 01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:17,550 this. This to me is the success. Really? Yeah. And then when I 1385 01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:21,300 see as a as a podcaster, I see I get two bucks a day in my 1386 01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:26,160 wallet. And I think, Wow, wow, this is going to be game 1387 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:30,000 changing for people. Game Changing. 1388 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:36,810 That's too but that two bucks represents a completely new wet 1389 01:26:36,810 --> 01:26:39,000 platform that never existed before. 1390 01:26:39,659 --> 01:26:41,069 And is real money. 1391 01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:48,030 Yeah, two bucks a day. But it's, it's so but it's, it's brand 1392 01:26:48,030 --> 01:26:50,250 new. I mean, it's like if no one's using it. 1393 01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:53,970 How many people are using it? 15? Maybe 20? 1394 01:26:54,420 --> 01:26:56,130 Yeah, maybe they have that? 1395 01:26:56,190 --> 01:27:00,150 Maybe a few more. But no, it's almost nothing. And there's a 1396 01:27:00,150 --> 01:27:03,240 lot of testing but it the boosts are real people are boosting 1397 01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,530 because they mean it. Yeah. And that's what's really cranking 1398 01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:10,470 that up. So you see that coming in like wow, 1399 01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:13,740 it's fun. It's getting fun. It really is. 1400 01:27:15,029 --> 01:27:19,439 Alright, so anything else? You have any anything left for the I 1401 01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,419 know, you got some other clips here? I don't know if there's an 1402 01:27:21,449 --> 01:27:24,689 okay, we have no, I have all these men. I got all these. 1403 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:30,120 We didn't know that for like I've been carrying that thing 1404 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:30,540 forward. 1405 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:35,970 And then look, and if we want to include the fact that Who is 1406 01:27:35,970 --> 01:27:38,940 this society, maybe I'll lead up to the who presses 1407 01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:44,820 that they that will lead is sold the mountain for Christmas cheer 1408 01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:46,320 becomes? 1409 01:27:49,109 --> 01:27:52,379 What's the word? Now? A quick word from our sponsors. 1410 01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:02,790 Oh, you did that? 1411 01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:09,840 I did not. I did not do that. You know, Dan, Daniel J. Lewis 1412 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,050 did that he sent me that clip. That's hilarious. Yeah, the 1413 01:28:13,050 --> 01:28:15,090 guy's trying to think he's like, oh, what's the word? What's the 1414 01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:16,080 word boom, dynamic. 1415 01:28:16,830 --> 01:28:22,530 What's interesting about the dynamic ad insertion is it's 1416 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:26,220 fucking everything up. And I'll give you a few examples. One 1417 01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:32,010 chapters. Forget it fucked up, too. On more than one occasion, 1418 01:28:32,010 --> 01:28:35,910 I have fired up a podcast that I wanted to listen to and it was 1419 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:39,960 struggle to start, he would start then it would stop go back 1420 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,190 then the dynamic add happens. They don't have their technology 1421 01:28:44,190 --> 01:28:47,130 together yet, as far as I'm concerned, is still is still a 1422 01:28:47,130 --> 01:28:48,750 fee, depending on where it's coming from? 1423 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,820 Well, a lot of 1424 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,450 the ad blockers are screws a lot of things up it just it's not 1425 01:28:54,450 --> 01:28:55,110 great. 1426 01:28:55,859 --> 01:28:58,319 Yeah, the ad blockers are going to kill that whole thing. It's 1427 01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:00,059 going to make it a complete nightmare. 1428 01:29:00,270 --> 01:29:04,920 I mean, so I I'm running graphene OS and I got this. Now, 1429 01:29:05,190 --> 01:29:09,690 I was looking for a VPN type blocker. And what did I wind up 1430 01:29:09,690 --> 01:29:14,580 getting here? I like the guy's story. And he was on F droid. So 1431 01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:20,010 I felt good about it personal DNS filter. And the personal DNS 1432 01:29:20,010 --> 01:29:23,700 filter has a ton of lists. And these are all open source lists. 1433 01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:26,790 And it's interesting to see what's blocked and several 1434 01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:31,440 podcast hosts are blocked. So I was having trouble starting a 1435 01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,740 starting a podcast, which I was using on pod friend. And then I 1436 01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:37,050 was like, how is this? Why isn't this just spinning? What's going 1437 01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:38,790 on? And I'll see that it was blocked. 1438 01:29:39,810 --> 01:29:41,610 Yeah, but it's because of the ad stuff. 1439 01:29:41,850 --> 01:29:44,850 It's well, it could be the ad stuff. I think there's also 1440 01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,600 these open lists, you know, people will report a whole 1441 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:55,320 podcast host and it'll get us sometimes it gets through. Yeah, 1442 01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:58,650 exactly. So it's, yeah, there's 1443 01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,990 there's your feature of add support. podcasting right there. 1444 01:30:00,990 --> 01:30:01,350 Yeah, 1445 01:30:01,409 --> 01:30:05,249 yeah. How many people have showed up at the index to say, 1446 01:30:05,309 --> 01:30:09,359 Hey, I know how we can skip ads. Like Yeah, it's great. But yeah, 1447 01:30:09,390 --> 01:30:12,210 I know how we can skip them too. But building lightning. 1448 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:15,419 Yeah, exactly. We'll bring everybody over to the light 1449 01:30:15,419 --> 01:30:19,109 side. Yeah. Lightning side. All right, Dave, you got any plans 1450 01:30:19,109 --> 01:30:19,709 for the weekend? 1451 01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,359 Oh, you know, I don't know. I'm not sure what we're gonna do. 1452 01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:27,029 It's gonna be a sweet cold here. And I don't know what it is in 1453 01:30:27,029 --> 01:30:29,849 that. What they get forecast for Texas next week. But here 1454 01:30:29,849 --> 01:30:31,439 supposed to be like ice storms? It was 1455 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,670 Yeah, it was 80 degrees yesterday. And now it's 50. And 1456 01:30:35,670 --> 01:30:38,040 it's supposed to get a lot colder. I don't think we'll hit 1457 01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:39,030 freezing. But 1458 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:45,090 Wow. I was at yesterday was fantastic. Yeah, it's like 1459 01:30:45,090 --> 01:30:45,900 summer, man. 1460 01:30:46,259 --> 01:30:49,049 I get so messed up. First. I don't know what day it is. 1461 01:30:49,049 --> 01:30:53,279 Because I live in Thursdays, Sundays, and Fridays. 9am all 1462 01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:56,939 the time. And I really enjoy. And Tina doesn't have a regular 1463 01:30:56,939 --> 01:30:59,669 work schedule. So that's I don't have anything that can kind of 1464 01:30:59,669 --> 01:31:04,469 guide me. And then the 10th our house, which is a new house, and 1465 01:31:04,499 --> 01:31:08,039 it's well insulated. And for the first time in my life, the 1466 01:31:08,039 --> 01:31:10,769 temperature is completely controlled, consistent exactly 1467 01:31:10,769 --> 01:31:13,739 where you want it to be. And then you go outside and you're 1468 01:31:13,739 --> 01:31:14,939 shocked. Like what? 1469 01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:17,520 Like, oh my god, 1470 01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:22,289 like the animals, birds and dogs and cats running around like 1471 01:31:22,499 --> 01:31:24,659 chickens and children are playing. 1472 01:31:25,740 --> 01:31:29,490 like chickens. Well, I 1473 01:31:29,490 --> 01:31:30,150 just made it up. 1474 01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:34,230 No, I got nothing. 1475 01:31:34,979 --> 01:31:37,559 Well, it's gonna be another great week to look forward to. I 1476 01:31:37,559 --> 01:31:41,879 can't wait. And as always, thank you Dave, for for your courage 1477 01:31:41,879 --> 01:31:42,539 and all you do. 1478 01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:44,550 Thank you for your courage and, 1479 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,490 and thank you to everybody out there who was working on 1480 01:31:47,490 --> 01:31:51,210 podcasting. 2.0 can't wait to see you all next week. And we 1481 01:31:51,210 --> 01:31:53,820 will right here on podcasting 2.0 1482 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:15,990 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 podcast. For more 1483 01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:16,920 information.