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Podcasting 2.0 for January 9th, 2026, episode

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247, Aggie 5.

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Hello, podcasters.

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Hello, developers.

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Hello, hosting companies.

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Hello, industry parties.

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Hello, people who just stumbled upon this.

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This is your official board meeting of Podcasting

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2.0. It's where we discuss the future

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of podcasting, not just discuss it.

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We appear to be making it from time

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to time.

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I'm Adam Curry, coming to you from the

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heart of the Texas Hill Country.

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Wait, I forgot to say, we are the

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only boardroom that does not need to have

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Greenland.

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That's what I wanted to say.

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I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the

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man who deserves more praise than he ever

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receives.

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Say hello to my friend on the other

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end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones.

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I want Iceland, not Greenland.

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You know, there's no ice in Iceland, and

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there's no green in Greenland.

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It's a very strange, strange thing that they've

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set up there.

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The Fall of Civilizations podcast on the Viking,

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what do you recall, the Viking era, where

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they landed on Greenland and discovered and landed

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on Greenland, is highly...

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Recommended?

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Recommended, yes.

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It's five stars.

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What is their takeaway?

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Well, you know, it's about civilizations that were,

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like, super strong, dominant in at least some

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portion of the world, and then just kind

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of vanished.

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And so their bottom line is they're gone.

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You mean all the people who lived in

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Greenland are gone?

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The Vikings.

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Yeah, well, they killed each other.

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They ate each other, I think, didn't they?

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Well, this is a great podcast.

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This Fall of Civilizations podcast is fantastic.

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Although my one complaint, and it's not really...

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I mean, you can't really call it a

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complaint.

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I mean, but my one annoyance with it

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is they sort of wrap it all up,

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bottom line, why did this civilization fall?

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It's pretty much like you kind of hit

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a button and it's the same thing every

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time.

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It's always climate change.

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No.

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That's funny.

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Which is legitimate in this context.

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To a degree, yeah.

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When it gets really cold and people freeze

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to death, that's...

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Yeah, when you have something called the Little

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Ice Age, it's probably going to shake some

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stuff up a little bit.

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The changing climate of the world in general,

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not because we're smoking our pipe down here

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and heating up the atmosphere.

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Smoking our pipe, yeah.

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But it really does, and that's the interesting

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part of it.

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It's like all these civilizations fall, most of

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the time, by means beyond their control.

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Things just happen.

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It's almost like somebody else is going to

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control.

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Really now?

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Almost.

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It's almost like that.

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I mean, what are the chances someone else

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is in control?

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Let me think about this.

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It's far-fetched.

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It's far-fetched.

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I mean, if only there were a book

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I could read something about.

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A scroll.

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If only there were some scrolls.

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How are you feeling, brother?

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This has been a tough couple of days

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for you, is my feeling.

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Day jobs have been rough, yeah.

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Well, day job, and then you had Aggie

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Five shit the bed.

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Pardon my French.

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Aggie Five.

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Wasn't that Aggie Five?

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It sounds like a mascot for a football

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team.

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It is.

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At the University of Georgia, their mascot is

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Ugga, U-G-A.

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And every so often, Ugga will die, and

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they'll have another one.

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Ugga Three, Ugga Four.

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Yeah, that's like Bevo at the Longhorns.

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Which Bevo is this?

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We don't talk about that.

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It's just Bevo.

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It's just Bevo.

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Steer lasts forever, though.

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Those guys live forever.

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They hang around.

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They do hang around.

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It's all good.

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Yeah, that's what you say.

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I had to upgrade Aggie Five to a

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two gigabyte instance.

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I'll tell you, when you're, you know, because

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we did Curry and the Keeper, which we

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hadn't done for several months for a number

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of reasons, which was really nice to get

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my wife back on the mic.

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And then I'm hosting that through Fountain Hosting.

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We transitioned to test and see how it

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all worked, which works great.

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And I love their dashboard and everything.

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It's fantastic.

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But then when you see it not come

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through on the index, all of a sudden,

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I'm like, I'm starting to sweat.

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I'm like, what's happening?

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And then Nick the Rat, he sent in

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a note to us.

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He had an issue.

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It doesn't matter if it's user error or

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not, but what happens is there's this entity

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that we all kind of take for granted

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called the podcast index.

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And we know how many different apps rely

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on it, apps and services.

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I think we're up to like 70 or

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something.

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There's all kinds of people tapping into the

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index.

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And then, you know, at that moment, you

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just feel like, oh man, the vulnerability.

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And I actually wanted to talk about that.

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But first let us celebrate another win.

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I think this is huge.

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That iHeart, the iHeart Radio app, according to

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sources, that would be Pod News, they will

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be supporting video in RSS as an alternate

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enclosure.

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Congratulations on this to Alex Gates, because he

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wrote the entire spec for the alternate enclosure.

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And it's a really tight, really good spec.

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And this is another one of those examples

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of you just got to give it time.

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You got to give it time to reach

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maturity.

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You know, you write something and you throw

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it out there and you can't control how

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long the process is going to take.

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Well, also, you know, we have true fans

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supporting this since 1832.

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Yes.

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Well, but this is kind of a bigger

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point I wanted to drive towards at the

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beginning of this board meeting.

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So if everyone could settle down and stop

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eating the donuts and pay attention.

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So we're in our sixth year, I believe,

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of doing the show.

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Six years since we built, you built the

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index.

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And this group, which is just a beautiful

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group, because it's all kinds of people from

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all walks of life, all participating.

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Everybody is contributing something, whether it's just maybe

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it's just the comment on the Mastodon, or

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whatever it is.

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There's all these different ways that people contribute.

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This show contributes.

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There's implementations that contribute.

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There's hosting providers.

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There's developers, just interested parties.

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It is a truly a beautiful movement that

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is just hanging together.

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But it really, all of the work, I

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would say, centers around podcast index for implementation,

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for making things work, for experimentation, for the

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namespace, for the documentation of the namespace.

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And we could list all of the names

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of people who have worked on this.

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But believe me, in 20 years from now,

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Adam Carolla invented it all.

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You should give up on ever thinking you're

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going to get credit for anything.

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That's just not how it works.

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But it's also not that important.

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But what is important, you and I have

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been walking together for a long time, brother.

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What are we now, 15, 16 years?

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A long time.

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And we've been doing all kinds of crazy

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stuff.

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And this one, by far the craziest.

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Oh, yeah.

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By a factor of a hundred.

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And by far the most labor intensive.

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And my part in this is not the

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same as yours, but you're my brother, you're

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my friend, you're my compadre.

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We do stuff together.

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And I kind of want to pull on

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the brake for a second.

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Because when this fail happened, the Aggie Five

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fail, you and I had a very short

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exchange.

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And you were like, well, you know, I

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had to upgrade Aggie Five.

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And I'm like, hey man, is this a

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money issue?

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You said, no, it's more of a technical

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It's a time issue.

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I just can't get the time to focus

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on it.

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Am I characterizing this correctly?

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I think so.

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So, I mean, of all the things that

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we are given by God, time is the

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one that you really own for yourself.

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And you only have so much of it

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in the day and in your life.

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And I'm thinking it's time to get real

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about this.

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I mean, just look at the successes of

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2025 with Apple's adoption of multiple tags, including

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chapters, transcripts, which has been started to become

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kind of an industry-wide acceptance.

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I think the iHeartRadio app claiming that they

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will, because it comes from Triton Digital, I

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think.

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And so they're on board.

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But it all really centers around the work

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that you mainly coordinate and for the most

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part do.

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So you can say, yeah, that's true, because

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it is.

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I'll say it for you.

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So right now we're at a spot where,

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again, it doesn't matter who does what, what

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we create, what we build.

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The beneficiary is the free word that can

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spread throughout podcasting without being owned by any

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platform, which is really the reason we started

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this in the first place, is because everybody

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was dependent upon Apple.

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Not knocking them, but when they decided to

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remove podcasts, it's like, oh, okay, no.

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There was no movement, zero, for over, I'm

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just going to remind people, for over a

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decade, no technical movement.

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And it was continuously, well, you know, if

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Apple doesn't do it, buy some, blah, blah,

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blah.

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apps out there that were actually implementing the

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namespace, things started to move.

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Hosting companies started to move.

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Something shifted and things started to move forward.

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And so now it is going to benefit

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the universe at large.

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And we know that iHeartRadio, they don't, as

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far as I know, they don't pull the

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index, but that development came from this whole

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ecosystem that we started and from the index

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that you maintain.

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So it's time to get serious about that.

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And I have some thoughts, because the number

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one thing, which I've said to you for

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months, maybe years, is it would be great

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if you could focus on this primarily and

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not have your day job.

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And so before I even go any further,

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if you could do this full-time or

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four days a week or whatever it would

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take you to really help manage the development

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process, because you're very good at that.

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You are the pod sage.

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You help shape the specs.

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You help, you know, you're unshakable.

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You are seen as a man of wisdom.

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You're kind of like Isaiah, really, like Solomon.

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Stop it, stop, stop, stop, stop.

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No, but everyone will agree with me.

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I'm the lightning rod, you know, it's like,

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okay.

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But this, we cannot keep going forward this

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way.

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So my question, and I've asked this in

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private many times, I think I know the

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answer, but if you could, quote, unquote, quit

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your day job and focus on this, would

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that be desirable for you?

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I mean, yeah, it's, well, you know, yeah,

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there's lots of things that go into that,

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you know, and I've had opportunities for that

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to happen.

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And it's a complicated question because, I mean,

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it's a complicated question on a lot of

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levels.

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I mean, you know, there's, you know, the

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place I've been at in my day job,

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I've been there for almost 30 years, you

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know, I've been there a very, very long

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time.

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And so I have a lot of deep

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connections there that are important to me.

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So it's more than, you know, it's more

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than just a, you know.

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Yeah, it becomes a family in a way.

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Yeah, it's complex.

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But also there's part of me that also

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is a little hesitant to try to do

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something like that because, I don't know, for

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a couple of reasons that are hard to

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describe, this may be, this may be an

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interesting discussion beyond just this, but just podcasting

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2.0, because I think a lot of

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people get into this.

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It's a very common thing for people to

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think they're doing, they're doing one or two

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things on the side.

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And then they wonder, maybe they get an

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opportunity to go do that thing full time,

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or they think about doing it full time.

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And then the questions begin of, should I

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do it?

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How's that going to look?

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All these kinds of things.

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So maybe it's an interesting discussion from that

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standpoint.

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And because I feel, this is, speaking as

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somebody, I've always had or done side gigs.

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And 90% of the time the side

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gigs do not pay a dime.

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But, you know, I don't think I've ever

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had one that's, to my knowledge, I don't

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think I've ever gotten paid for any side

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gig.

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And those side gigs have ranged from podcasting

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2.0 to the software that me and

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you developed on the side, to being in

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open source, going way back to in 99,

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2000, open source projects, contributions.

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Before that, I was a part-time youth

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minister at a church here.

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In town.

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And so like, I've never actually gotten paid.

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I don't think for any of that stuff.

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I know I haven't.

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And what's interesting to me, and I've thought

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about this a lot, is there's this, if

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you're not in the church world, if you're

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not in a sort of a Christian circle,

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there's this term that's thrown around in the

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Christian world, or in the church world called

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bivocational.

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You can be a bivocational minister.

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And so, you know, that's simply just shorthand

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way of saying, you have to have a

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day job because your ministry that you're doing

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can't pay you enough to support you and

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your family.

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And that's a lot.

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I mean, most of church ministry is that.

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There's a very small percentage that's actually full

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-time job supporting.

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I'd say probably, you know, if we're using

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made-up numbers here, probably 80% of

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ministry in the world is done bivocationally.

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It's people doing it on the side for

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little or no pay.

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And this goes back to, you know, again,

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in a Christian context or a Jewish context,

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this goes back to Paul.

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You know, Paul was a tent maker.

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And Matthew was a tax collector.

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John was, you know, was a fisherman.

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The bivocational nature of ministry

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is something I grew up with.

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And I kind of always thought was really

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important because I feel like it keeps you

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connected to the people that you are ministering

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to.

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I feel like there's a real, it's really,

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sometimes it's very hard.

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If you're going through a tough time in

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your life, it's very hard to hear advice

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from someone who is a full-time preacher,

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pastor, minister.

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There's certain times that that's hard to listen

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to because you're like, you know what, you

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know, you can, you're supported.

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I've I'm having to do, I'm having to

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work three jobs.

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You've got what looks like from the outside

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of Cush job in the, in the church,

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these kinds of things.

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I've always felt like sort of community supported

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things were had, had a character building quality

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and an ability to connect you to other

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people in a real way that you lose

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once you get paid for doing that thing.

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And I think it also applies somewhat here

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with open source software and open standards development

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and that kind of thing.

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It's really, it's really difficult to be, I

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don't know, you lose something once you make

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that step.

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So, you know, if, if something, you know,

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somebody let's, let's just say that let's say

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that Apple came in and said, Hey, podcasting

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2.0, we're going to create a fund,

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a tech leader led fund with YouTube, Apple,

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Spotify, all these, all these people, all these

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organizations and we're going to do an, like

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a development fund for new features, almost like

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an incubator and we're going to seed it

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with, you know, a million dollars and we're

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going to create an organization around it.

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And then, but that's going to fund podcasting

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2.0 development and the index and, and

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all this kind of stuff.

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It's one part of you would jump and

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say, that's amazing.

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I can't, you know, sign me up.

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And the other part has a little bit

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of trouble sleeping at night because you're like,

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well, you know, there, there's something about the

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gorilla nature of doing these things on the

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side where you truly do not care what

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succeeds or fails.

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Uh, you, you care about the trying, not

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the success.

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Okay.

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And, you know, and, and I feel like

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that could, you know, it's, it's very possible.

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I feel like this, it's more than possible.

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It's probable that the fire that happens under

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you when you're just doing something purely for

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the creation aspect.

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I feel like without that, everything doesn't work.

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Okay.

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So believe me when I say that if

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Apple did that, I would be the first

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in line saying, no, go away.

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You know, the same way Google basically ruined

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Firefox.

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You know, if you have some sugar daddy

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who's funding it, that I would never propose

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that.

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For the past 18 years, I have lived

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with my church, which is the church of

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Gitmo Nation, which is very similar to the

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bivocational nature of what you're about, about church

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in general.

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In fact, when we studied the value for

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value model, we looked at churches, like how

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do churches do it?

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What, what exactly do they do?

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And it turns out that we were using

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terms that I didn't even know were used

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in the biblical realm, such as time, talent,

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treasure.

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I had no idea that just, it's like

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someone might be controlling something.

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But the, the fun of creating these shows

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that we do twice a week has not

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diminished because it is value for value.

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If we had decided to go with advertising,

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forget all the issues of advertising, that probably

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wouldn't have worked anyway for us.

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I think it would have been, you know,

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we might not have made it this long.

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It probably wouldn't have been as fun.

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But to know that it's valued by people

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according to their means, and what they truly

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feel is value has kept me, I can't

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speak for, well, I think Dvorak may be

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like, hey, we got enough money, it's good.

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Can always be more.

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I think has been a big part of

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what has always driven me because it just

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feels good.

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And what I was going to say is

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that if you look at the landscape of

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what has been built here and the people

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who are involved, in fact, if you look

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at the Podcast Standards Project, there are 14

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hosting companies who are a member of the

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Podcast Standards Project.

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And we've been, I feel, you know, we

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said from the outset, we said this will

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be value for value.

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But I think I've privately always kind of

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said to you, man, it would be my

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wish and my prayer that you could do

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this full time and wouldn't have to be

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dividing your time.

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Now you throw me a bit of a

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curve ball with the bivocational angle on it.

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But what I was going to say was,

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I believe it to be quite trivial to

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get $10,000 a month into this project,

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value for value, from the people who care

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about it and different means if we really

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put it on the line.

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That's kind of the scary part of value

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for value is you're putting it on the

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line.

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If it doesn't work and people don't like

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it, which arguably the proof is already there

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over five years of this, then it just

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doesn't work.

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Then it's all right, then go do something

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else.

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But I was going to say that if

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we truly took value for value seriously, right

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now today with the Bitcoin that we have

540
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:47,150
on the node and our reserves, you could

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leave your job and work for a year

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and make the same money, I'm just estimating,

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00:24:52,890 --> 00:24:53,930
but I think it's kind of the same,

544
00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:58,630
without losing any income, but being able to

545
00:24:58,630 --> 00:25:01,590
dedicate your heart and your soul to the

546
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:03,550
project or whatever projects you want, but they

547
00:25:03,550 --> 00:25:04,810
all kind of fold into one.

548
00:25:05,610 --> 00:25:09,390
And so not looking for an answer, but

549
00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:15,850
my suggestion was going to be that if

550
00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:20,830
that's all we need to not kill Dave,

551
00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:25,830
because I'm saying that kind of funny, but

552
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:29,070
not really, because I've known you for a

553
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:31,390
long time and I know, and you have

554
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:33,630
a lot of responsibility in the day job.

555
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:35,770
And believe me, the hardest part of any

556
00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:39,270
scenario that we would look at would be

557
00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:43,490
decoupling, you're decoupling from your day job family

558
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:45,850
and they would probably put up a fight

559
00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:48,070
and they would probably grab onto your ankles

560
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:49,810
and I have to go out there with

561
00:25:49,810 --> 00:25:50,650
my guns and stuff.

562
00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:55,230
But I would put up the first thousand

563
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:59,470
dollars a month just to kickstart this and

564
00:25:59,470 --> 00:26:00,230
get it going.

565
00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:03,490
And again, not looking for an answer, but

566
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:05,470
I feel that if I look at what

567
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:07,710
has been accomplished, that you have been the

568
00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:13,740
nucleus of, what it would mean for podcasting,

569
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,440
call it open podcasting, whatever you want.

570
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,880
I think it would be a huge benefit

571
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:27,340
to moving things forward for everything and everybody.

572
00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:30,460
Does that make sense what I'm saying?

573
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,500
I understand the sentiment.

574
00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:45,640
And I'm not trying to downplay the seriousness

575
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,660
by calling it sentiment.

576
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,180
That's not what I'm doing.

577
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,460
I understand, but the sentiment aspect of what

578
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,560
you're saying, I do understand it.

579
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,160
I just think that when I told you,

580
00:26:57,260 --> 00:26:58,800
I think it's not, I think my exact

581
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,180
words were, it's not a money problem, it's

582
00:27:00,180 --> 00:27:01,160
an engineering problem.

583
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,000
There's an aspect of when you build, the

584
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,960
problem is this thing isn't built right.

585
00:27:11,620 --> 00:27:13,320
Well, hold on before we go there.

586
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Okay.

587
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,180
Yes, you said not an engineering issue, but

588
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:22,500
need to re-engineer the aggregator stack, but

589
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,580
can't get the hours needed to do it.

590
00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:26,180
Yes.

591
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,900
That's the part that I'm responding to.

592
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,480
And I think the reason I'm so hesitant

593
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,100
about a money thing is because- Well,

594
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:40,880
you can do it for free.

595
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,060
That's fine with me.

596
00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:46,180
The reason I'm so hesitant- Hold up

597
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:47,240
before you say that.

598
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,720
I believe in value for value, Dave.

599
00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:51,400
I live by value for value.

600
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,220
You are not- Yes, of course, there's

601
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:57,840
value you get back from satisfaction for having

602
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:58,740
done something.

603
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,220
But the amount of value you're providing is

604
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:05,400
just not coming back to you.

605
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:08,840
And I've seen the value for value model

606
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,640
work, and we haven't really taken it seriously.

607
00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:14,960
I mean, yes, we've said, well, you know,

608
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,320
keep the engines running.

609
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,280
But, and maybe this conversation is only just

610
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,480
for everybody to step the fuck back for

611
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,620
a second and understand, pardon me, and understand

612
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:29,080
what it is that you've been doing.

613
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:33,220
Because sometimes it just gets to a cavalier

614
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:33,640
nature.

615
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,460
You know, I just feel it.

616
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,580
I'm like, do any of you really understand

617
00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:41,600
what has been done here and what Dave

618
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,160
is doing?

619
00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:45,840
And when I say don't kill Dave, I

620
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,440
mean, I really mean that.

621
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,460
So I'm trying to- I'm a natural

622
00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:55,260
problem solver, you know, that, by the way,

623
00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:57,440
do not recommend doing that with your wife,

624
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,120
any wife.

625
00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:00,020
Do not do that.

626
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:02,220
But at a certain point, I just need

627
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:04,180
to say, hold on a second, I'm seeing

628
00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:05,040
something here.

629
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,260
And I want to offer solutions, ones that

630
00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:12,860
I can actually contribute to, because I know

631
00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:14,180
that we could make that work.

632
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:15,640
I know how to do it.

633
00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:18,300
It's not a lot of money.

634
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,180
Now, there's many ways to get money, but

635
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:22,980
I think any other way than value for

636
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:25,640
value would put the whole project in peril.

637
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:30,380
So I'm just putting this out there as

638
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:32,900
an offer for you to consider.

639
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,960
And then you can just- we can

640
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,120
go back and tabletop it, game it out.

641
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000
But I would like you to consider it

642
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,540
beyond today's board meeting.

643
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,580
Yeah, of course I will.

644
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:52,140
Yeah, I take everything you say to heart.

645
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:55,340
And I do spend time thinking about it.

646
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:04,860
And the issue, I really was not mentally

647
00:30:04,860 --> 00:30:08,080
prepared to have this conversation today.

648
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:10,180
Well, no, of course not.

649
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,080
This one's taken me by surprise, you know.

650
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,280
But it's not a bad surprise.

651
00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:20,480
I mean, it's always good to talk about

652
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,900
stuff that are not in the notes.

653
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,380
And so, I mean, I think the interest

654
00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:32,300
- you know, the money- I mean,

655
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:32,900
I love money.

656
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:33,700
Everybody does.

657
00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:37,940
Everybody can find a great way to use

658
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:38,240
money.

659
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:41,260
And I'm no exception to that.

660
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,980
I'm just- Wait, I got a clip

661
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:49,400
for you.

662
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:51,320
I got a brand new money.

663
00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:52,880
I don't want any money around me that's

664
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,400
not- I'd almost rather have a new

665
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,300
one than an old 20.

666
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,420
That's kind of dumb, isn't it?

667
00:31:00,580 --> 00:31:02,360
But there's something about new money that excites

668
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:02,560
you.

669
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:04,000
You like $100 bills?

670
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,780
I like new money, too.

671
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:08,980
The most beautiful thing on earth is a

672
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:09,540
$100 bill.

673
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:11,060
I haven't seen a woman as good looking

674
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:11,820
as a $100 bill.

675
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,360
There's something about a $100 bill that excites

676
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:14,580
you.

677
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:16,860
Is that a preacher?

678
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:18,040
Yes, of course.

679
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,220
Of course it is.

680
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:21,200
It's a MoFax clip.

681
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,100
Okay, that's awesome.

682
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,140
Of course it's a preacher.

683
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,600
Yeah, it's- the money aspect of it

684
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,360
is- it's really, I just don't think

685
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:34,920
that important.

686
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,140
Well, then let's put that to the side.

687
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:41,340
As we go through this conversation, put the

688
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:43,360
money aspect to the side, because I guarantee

689
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,320
you whatever you need will be provided.

690
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,540
I know how to do that.

691
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,600
I know how to get it.

692
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:49,720
I know where to get it from.

693
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:51,440
I know how to make people send it.

694
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,760
I do, I do.

695
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,260
I know how to make people send it.

696
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,160
Yes, it's a funny thing to say.

697
00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:00,280
Well, because people want to.

698
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,760
People want to.

699
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,620
They want to have a reason to support

700
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:03,980
things.

701
00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:06,520
We've been doing the show, and we just

702
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
thank people for supporting us, but it's not

703
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,400
really- I mean, there's a million things

704
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,720
that go into a true, full, rounded value

705
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,720
-for-value model.

706
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,200
So I just want to say, that part

707
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,060
I can handle.

708
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,780
That part I know we can make that

709
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:25,120
work.

710
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:29,240
But you're saying something different, which is interesting.

711
00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:30,560
Yeah.

712
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,820
And I want to make this thing work.

713
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:41,780
You know, the problem is not money.

714
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,960
And it's not really- it's a little

715
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,460
bit- time is- the reason the

716
00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:54,460
time argument doesn't really sit to me is

717
00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:56,980
that time is the universal problem.

718
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,420
I mean, you know, the thing is, I

719
00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:03,180
don't know that more time would solve it

720
00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:03,600
either.

721
00:33:04,580 --> 00:33:09,480
Because time is sort of like everywhere you

722
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,080
live, you always think, I don't have enough

723
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,900
storage space.

724
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,240
And it's not because you don't have enough

725
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:17,800
storage space.

726
00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:19,000
It's because you have too much stuff.

727
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:22,900
And so the time thing is like, you

728
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:24,900
always think, I never have enough time.

729
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,420
But somehow, time is a resource that you

730
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,720
can go get when it's important enough to

731
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,680
you to do so.

732
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:42,060
And I don't know exactly how to explain

733
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:44,820
the way that works, but that is the

734
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:46,460
life that I have been living for the

735
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:50,880
last, you know, nearly six years, is that

736
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:55,060
when I need the time to fix a

737
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:58,560
thing, somehow it appears.

738
00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:02,300
And I know that that is the case

739
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:02,720
here.

740
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,700
And I also know that it's an engineering

741
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:07,020
issue.

742
00:34:07,940 --> 00:34:11,000
If this thing is built right, if we

743
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,620
are able to fix this, fix the aggregator

744
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:20,179
issues in an open way, then I think

745
00:34:20,179 --> 00:34:23,480
I'll just feel better about what the end

746
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,800
result is, because everyone will have ownership in

747
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,080
it.

748
00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:28,900
And not just me.

749
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,920
No, but I'm not saying you change anything

750
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,920
in the process or look, man, it's a

751
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,360
beautiful thing to not have to go to

752
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,780
work at 8.30 in the morning to

753
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:47,120
deal with someone's caps lock, because the password

754
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:47,840
won't work.

755
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,340
I'm not saying that's your whole life.

756
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:53,300
Or the generator went down, I've got to

757
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:55,940
go be there for 48 hours and feed

758
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:56,580
it with fuel.

759
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Now I get up at 6.30 by

760
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,160
myself, I don't have to, because I'm excited

761
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,920
to see what the world brings me when

762
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,620
it pops up.

763
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,800
And where can I turn left or turn

764
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,100
right?

765
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,300
It's not so much that I have more

766
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,900
time to work on my day job, it's

767
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,260
I have the freedom to dream about my

768
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:17,840
day job.

769
00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:24,200
I think one day Godcaster will be that.

770
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,360
And if I have to put a hope

771
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,900
on something, it's that Godcaster would turn into

772
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:34,900
that thing eventually.

773
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:36,260
Oh, good.

774
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,020
Everybody can send Godcaster money.

775
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,700
That would be good.

776
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:44,740
I don't, the purity of the podcasting 2

777
00:35:44,740 --> 00:35:46,840
.0 project just doesn't feel that way to

778
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:47,040
me.

779
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:47,800
Okay.

780
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:51,980
Like I said, I've had an opportunity to

781
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:55,780
make a change, you know, at some point.

782
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:58,480
I talked you out of it partially.

783
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:00,140
Partially.

784
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,720
But I had an opportunity and my vision

785
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,920
going into that opportunity was that that was

786
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,360
going to be the whole job.

787
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:13,780
I didn't want to, it to be a

788
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:16,000
podcasting 2.0 support mechanism.

789
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:18,520
And I think that's, I just think that

790
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,200
that's important.

791
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:23,600
I feel like podcasting 2.0 is so

792
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,480
rare to have a purely, to have a

793
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,520
pure play open source project where everybody can

794
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,540
contribute and there is no corporate ownership of,

795
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,540
in any capacity, there is no like, and

796
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:45,240
I've said this before, if all the money

797
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,640
went away, Yeah, we'd still pay for it

798
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,060
ourselves.

799
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,420
I'd still run it myself.

800
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,300
Yeah, I would run this, I will run

801
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,920
this thing for the rest of my life.

802
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,100
And when you already are committed to something

803
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:01,320
in that way, like the timeframes get longer

804
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:03,900
because you're having aggregator problems.

805
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,340
And when you're getting, you know, when you're

806
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:09,300
getting a constant stream of support money coming

807
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:12,900
in, you feel a lot of pressure to

808
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:14,540
stop what you're doing and fix all the,

809
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,240
everything becomes really important.

810
00:37:16,940 --> 00:37:21,160
But when you have a truly open source

811
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,160
project where you're getting money and it's meeting

812
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,140
your needs, you know, for the hosting and

813
00:37:27,140 --> 00:37:28,620
that kind of thing, it's paying the bills,

814
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:30,420
but you're not, you know, you're not living

815
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:31,000
off of it.

816
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,300
Well, then your timeframes get longer.

817
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,640
You're like, well, I do, I've got, I've

818
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,280
got this problem with, with aggregators going, you

819
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,760
know, it needs to be re-engineered.

820
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:41,880
Well, it'll, it'll get there.

821
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,340
It'll, it'll, it'll fix itself over time.

822
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,900
We'll, you know, we'll all contribute and we'll

823
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,500
build something new and, and then we'll have,

824
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,200
you know, and then we'll have a great

825
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,620
thing to look back on and show and

826
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:52,620
see how we did it.

827
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,720
And, and I'm also, I'm also a little

828
00:37:55,720 --> 00:38:00,760
leery of on that same note, money tends

829
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,880
to be an accelerant.

830
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,300
It accelerates things that don't need to be

831
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:08,960
accelerated.

832
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,880
Well, I'm just, I'm just going to disagree

833
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,220
on that because living on value for value,

834
00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:17,760
it's not like that at all.

835
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:18,760
I mean, it isn't.

836
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,320
I think your situation is different.

837
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,860
I do.

838
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:25,720
I think your situation is, is truly different.

839
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:31,820
You, the, what I'm, I think that you're

840
00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:33,520
right when you say that, but what I'm

841
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560
saying is when you, when the, when the

842
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,440
issue is a technical one, when it's a,

843
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:42,200
how do I construct, how do I engineer

844
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,840
this, a solution to this problem, to a

845
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,280
particular problem, like on a programming level or

846
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,480
something like that, or like an open source

847
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,660
hardware project, when the problem is an, is

848
00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:55,900
a sort of technical engineering issue, I think

849
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:57,640
this is a problem with startup culture.

850
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,580
Startup culture gets a humongous cash infusion up

851
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:07,440
front, and you tend to accelerate your solutions

852
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,560
to problems that should take longer because time

853
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,860
can cut in both directions.

854
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:13,380
Yeah, yeah.

855
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:15,200
No, I'm, I'm, I'm with you on that.

856
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:16,480
I'm, I don't want to get too hung

857
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640
up on the money because believe me, it's,

858
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,160
it's, it's not, it's not easy because it's

859
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,980
a roller coaster.

860
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,260
You know, it's, it's up and down, it's

861
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:26,460
up and down, like, okay, well, you know,

862
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,880
we got to tell people that it's necessary

863
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,680
to support us.

864
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:32,800
So it's not, it's not like all of

865
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,480
a sudden you're swimming in cash, you can

866
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,720
solve everything with cash.

867
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,860
It's, it's quite, it's quite different from that.

868
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,360
But I, I, I hear what you're saying.

869
00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:45,080
So, but I was responding purely to one

870
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,940
comment that I'd not heard you say before.

871
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,560
When you threw time at me, that's when

872
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,260
my brain went, okay, time.

873
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:58,520
So anyway, the support of the, of the

874
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,980
index of the entire project is based on

875
00:40:00,980 --> 00:40:03,120
time and talent and treasure.

876
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,140
Notice treasure is the last one.

877
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,820
So the contributions that everybody put in are

878
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,740
of equal weight, of equal importance.

879
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:16,900
I was merely giving a, an opportunity for

880
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,340
you to consider because I'm just going to

881
00:40:19,340 --> 00:40:21,420
tell you, we could make it work.

882
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,900
So if at any point you say, you

883
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:25,540
know, I really want to work on this

884
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:29,720
more or whatever, then we can make that

885
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:30,060
work.

886
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,000
I just want to put that out there

887
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,420
as a forever dangling carrot.

888
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,140
Let me get spiritual for you for once,

889
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:39,300
just brief, very briefly.

890
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:43,820
And, and, and those, those who are going

891
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:45,020
to roll your eyes, you can go ahead

892
00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:46,020
and roll them now and get them out

893
00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:46,940
of your, get it out of your way.

894
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:51,980
I, I just feel like based on what

895
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:54,300
has happened on all the different factors that

896
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:58,140
have popped up over the last, you know,

897
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,940
five, five and a half years, I feel

898
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:04,940
like God is doing, God is doing something

899
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:11,200
important in the, in the, in all of

900
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,920
our lives, you, me, everybody involved in, in,

901
00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:19,100
in podcasting 2.0. I feel like there's

902
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,820
an important spiritual aspect of the spiritual manifestation

903
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:23,860
that is happening.

904
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,820
And I don't know what it is exactly,

905
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:32,380
but I do know that time is a

906
00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:37,780
factor and I'm afraid of tampering with that

907
00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:40,940
because I feel like spiritual truths a lot

908
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:46,020
of times need time to manifest themselves in

909
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:49,400
our minds that you can't short circuit.

910
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,840
And I'm afraid of messing with what that

911
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,640
formula is.

912
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,960
That may sound strange, but that's, that's kind

913
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,380
of, that's, that's part of this too.

914
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,100
No, I, I, I can, no, I completely

915
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,840
understand that at this point, if anyone wants

916
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,860
to come forward, this is an altar call.

917
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,200
We'll have our prayer team up front.

918
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Then we'd be happy to pray with you.

919
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,620
Pray with brother Dave.

920
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,740
Brother Joe over there.

921
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,960
He's on one side of the altar.

922
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,820
Well, so first of all, I couldn't resist.

923
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,040
Again, feel free to eye roll that, but

924
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,740
I'm just telling you how I really feel.

925
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:31,420
No, I'm with you.

926
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,040
Look, I, I, I got saved during this

927
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,300
project, you know?

928
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:37,000
So yes, absolutely.

929
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,680
I'm 100% on board.

930
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,540
So that's enough reason for me to, to

931
00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:46,320
be satisfied that we had this conversation.

932
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,560
And if, if the spirit needs us to

933
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,460
have it again, we'll, we'll know.

934
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,240
I feel that way.

935
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,680
I feel that way as well.

936
00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:00,580
Whenever, when the, when the, when the signals

937
00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:02,660
come down, I'm ready to see them.

938
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:03,140
Okay.

939
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:03,840
All right.

940
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:05,500
Amen and amen.

941
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,600
And amen.

942
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,660
All right, brother Dave, back to the, the

943
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:12,580
topic of the day.

944
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Whatever you came prepared to talk about.

945
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:17,820
The Computer Chronicles.

946
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:19,320
Did you get my clips?

947
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,740
I did.

948
00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:20,120
Yes.

949
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:21,620
Computer Chronicles.

950
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:22,960
Do you remember, do you remember this TV

951
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,220
show?

952
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:24,920
Well, of course I, in fact, I think

953
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,300
there's a fantastic episode with Dvorak.

954
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:29,040
Yes.

955
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:31,440
Where he's trying to show how easy it

956
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,620
is to take apart this PC and snap

957
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:34,340
it back together.

958
00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:36,820
And it does anything but easily snap apart

959
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:37,580
and back together.

960
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:40,220
And it's a hilarious classic video.

961
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:43,820
And, and the, it shows his talent with

962
00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:47,480
vamping because he is just vamping like it's

963
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,940
a clinic.

964
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,980
And he has those, and he has those

965
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:52,320
Buggles glasses on, you know, like from video

966
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,520
killed the radio star.

967
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Yeah, it's fantastic.

968
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,260
It's good.

969
00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:57,960
For some reason, this started coming up on

970
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,840
my YouTube feed.

971
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:00,580
And so I started watching these old Computer

972
00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:01,360
Chronicles episodes.

973
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:07,460
And this one, from that show about the

974
00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:09,240
window, this is Windows NT 3.

975
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:10,920
So it's very.

976
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,280
Oh, well, I worked with Windows NT.

977
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,380
This was in, this was in my day.

978
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:17,920
93, I think is when this was.

979
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:18,360
Yes.

980
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:18,920
Yes.

981
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,540
And I left MTV in 93, I believe,

982
00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:25,720
and started my first company, OnRamp.

983
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:29,400
And yeah, we, this was, we were using

984
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,120
NT.

985
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,740
And of course, a couple of years later,

986
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,540
Windows 95 came with, because when I think

987
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:43,180
they didn't have Windows 3.1 at this

988
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:44,360
point as well with NT.

989
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:44,840
Yeah.

990
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,100
OK.

991
00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:45,580
That's right.

992
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Windows 3.11 was the most stable, awesome

993
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,140
version.

994
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:50,600
Right.

995
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,280
But we were, we were all using NT

996
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,120
because it had a POSIX kernel.

997
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:55,900
Yeah.

998
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:57,420
And it could run on MIPS.

999
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:57,760
Yeah.

1000
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,400
MIPS.

1001
00:44:58,780 --> 00:44:59,100
Yes.

1002
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:01,360
Oh, NEC had MIPS machines.

1003
00:45:01,940 --> 00:45:03,760
In fact, I think I did a booth

1004
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,620
one time for NEC at CES or Comdex.

1005
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:14,380
And NEC was, no, I'm thinking of NCR.

1006
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:15,580
That was National Cash Register.

1007
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:17,400
No, NEC had the MIPS machines.

1008
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,640
They had some of the early MIPS machines.

1009
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:24,600
The, yeah, that was, yeah, that was the

1010
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:24,740
thing.

1011
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,820
The Windows NT kernel was, was, was portable.

1012
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:31,340
It could run on, you know, Spark and

1013
00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:31,660
yeah.

1014
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,160
And they built that for the government.

1015
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,740
They built it for the government, I think,

1016
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:35,360
if I recall.

1017
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:37,920
But it was some government requirement that it

1018
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,040
had to be able to run on these

1019
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,500
other type of processors.

1020
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,760
And eventually the, eventually Windows NT, so you

1021
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,740
had two separate kernels.

1022
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:49,680
You had the 95, 98 kernel and the

1023
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,520
NT kernel.

1024
00:45:50,740 --> 00:45:54,360
And eventually these two things merged in, in

1025
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,240
the Windows 2000 product.

1026
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Which was a dog.

1027
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:59,500
I hated Windows 2000.

1028
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,180
Well, it's not as bad as Windows Me.

1029
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:04,600
Hey, but wait a minute.

1030
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Wasn't NT, was it, was it NT?

1031
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:08,480
I remember doing this.

1032
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,320
If you had someone's IP address, you could

1033
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,820
send them a ping flood and it would

1034
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:16,600
blue screen it within like a nanosecond.

1035
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,220
Oh, yeah, there was, there was so many

1036
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:21,480
versions of blue screen in somebody's computer.

1037
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,440
It was cool.

1038
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,300
It was so cool.

1039
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,580
I remember my buddy, he was running.

1040
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:28,600
Oh, it was SGI.

1041
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,680
He was running graphics, SGI graphics.

1042
00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:32,700
Oh, OK.

1043
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,780
But somehow.

1044
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:34,740
Silicon graphics.

1045
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:35,260
Yeah.

1046
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,980
But then he had, he had a Windows

1047
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:37,880
NT machine.

1048
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:38,620
He was in Holland.

1049
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,940
I'm like, and I said, hey, send me,

1050
00:46:41,060 --> 00:46:42,840
send me a, you know, click on this

1051
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,140
link.

1052
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,420
So I had, so I had his IP

1053
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:46,760
address.

1054
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,720
He said, no, watch this.

1055
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:48,580
Three, two, one, boom.

1056
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:49,760
He said, what just happened?

1057
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,540
You're a turd.

1058
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:53,700
He was not happy.

1059
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,360
Yeah.

1060
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:59,360
But when does, yeah, when does I didn't,

1061
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:03,420
I'm, I was a little behind you on

1062
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:06,400
that because Windows NT, my first experience with

1063
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,420
NT was NT4.

1064
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:08,120
OK.

1065
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,080
So NT3, I missed NT3.

1066
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:14,740
But they, so, but this, this clip is.

1067
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,740
So the Windows NT at the time was

1068
00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:19,920
codenamed Cairo.

1069
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:22,300
Oh, I remember Cairo.

1070
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:22,820
Sure.

1071
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:23,620
Sure.

1072
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,100
The road, the road to Cairo.

1073
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,240
That was the marketing.

1074
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,300
The road to Cairo.

1075
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,560
And he's going to talk about Cairo.

1076
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,880
But the, and just this is just interesting

1077
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,340
to me.

1078
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:35,940
But listen to what he says.

1079
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:36,640
And I'll have a comment.

1080
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,300
Program managers say Cairo will bring a new

1081
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,820
level of intuitive ability to NT.

1082
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:45,560
Cairo will make it easier for people to

1083
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,220
say, just give me the the sales data

1084
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:50,100
for the month of December and the system

1085
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,960
will take care of finding the data.

1086
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,300
Yeah.

1087
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:56,980
Also enable people to build solutions where where

1088
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:58,880
they can work with the data in exactly

1089
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,800
the way they want to.

1090
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,520
They don't have to worry about what application

1091
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,460
they're running in.

1092
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,760
They don't have to worry about the exact

1093
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,860
structure of the data.

1094
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Things will just flow more smoothly in the

1095
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,900
way that people want it.

1096
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:12,480
Basically the same promise they're making with AI

1097
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:12,960
today.

1098
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,580
Yes, exactly.

1099
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:15,820
The exact same promise.

1100
00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:19,960
This is the Silicon Valley lie machine that

1101
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,280
just never stops.

1102
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,540
It just is over and over.

1103
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:26,720
Every time there's some new cycle, it's going

1104
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,680
to be you don't have to worry about

1105
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:29,660
where your data is.

1106
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,880
You're just going to be able to say,

1107
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,340
give me the December financials and it's just

1108
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:34,040
going to do it.

1109
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:35,320
It's going to be magic.

1110
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,320
And they've been crapping this out since the

1111
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,140
early 90s.

1112
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,340
Such garbage.

1113
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,060
That's the that's the enterprise version.

1114
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,500
And then the consumer version is your fridge.

1115
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:48,820
You will know when you're running out of

1116
00:48:48,820 --> 00:48:50,860
milk, it will automatically order it for you,

1117
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:52,580
which I still to this day have not

1118
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:52,920
seen.

1119
00:48:53,580 --> 00:48:53,760
Yeah.

1120
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,960
And now we were seeing that at CES

1121
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:56,780
in the 80s.

1122
00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:58,360
You know, is yeah.

1123
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,200
So anyway, just an interesting side note.

1124
00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:05,020
I will I will say that I've been

1125
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:06,860
using thank you for the link to Gemini

1126
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:07,100
CLI.

1127
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:08,820
Yeah.

1128
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:13,180
I mean, Gemini has been quite impressive, actually.

1129
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,520
It has a huge context window.

1130
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:17,040
But I forget.

1131
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,320
I wonder how they do that.

1132
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,740
Well, I mean, this this I think is

1133
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:23,360
the holy grail is the is the context

1134
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:23,760
window.

1135
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:26,260
But now someone's got to pay for it

1136
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:26,600
somewhere.

1137
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,860
And it's been rather impressive.

1138
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,560
In fact, I've I did a whole analysis

1139
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,060
for my use case for Omarchi.

1140
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:39,500
Omarchi.

1141
00:49:39,820 --> 00:49:40,940
Are you switching to that?

1142
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,240
I'm considering it.

1143
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:42,560
Yeah.

1144
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:43,380
OK.

1145
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:43,820
Yeah.

1146
00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:46,160
Because my whole studio still runs on Windows

1147
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,060
for two reasons.

1148
00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:53,060
One is the roadcaster and the second one

1149
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:54,360
is my play out system.

1150
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,220
But I mean, there's many ways to build

1151
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:58,800
the type of play out system I have.

1152
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,920
And I'm not I'm not too concerned.

1153
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,720
That's actually kind of the easy part, really.

1154
00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:05,000
You get vibe coded.

1155
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:06,820
Very easily.

1156
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:10,420
I had vibe coded some stuff the other

1157
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:12,640
day, like literally like five minutes.

1158
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:14,900
But I needed a music deployment system for

1159
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:16,840
all these individual Godcaster stations.

1160
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:18,900
So easy.

1161
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,080
I mean, I knew I wanted to use

1162
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:20,540
our sync.

1163
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,440
That was the way to go.

1164
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,380
And, you know, just boom, boom, boom.

1165
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,340
Put it together for me.

1166
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:24,780
Beautiful.

1167
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:25,680
You're a machine.

1168
00:50:26,740 --> 00:50:32,620
But I would love to because what Omarchi

1169
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:33,140
does.

1170
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,640
And it was Paul, Godcaster Paul, who built

1171
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,400
the Godcaster.

1172
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:40,140
I was building the Godcaster app.

1173
00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:41,260
It's a never ending process.

1174
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:44,040
He turned me on to it.

1175
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,420
He said a lot of devs are moving

1176
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:46,840
towards and I can understand why.

1177
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,100
Because, you know, I love keyboard commands.

1178
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:51,940
I love shortcuts.

1179
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,240
I use them all the time.

1180
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,420
And to be able to control the UI

1181
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,560
with your with your shortcuts and just make

1182
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,860
it really fast and like things pop up

1183
00:51:01,860 --> 00:51:05,200
and disappear and split and organize and wow,

1184
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,420
you know, no, there's no menu bar really

1185
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:10,840
to speak or you don't need to have

1186
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,480
a menu bar.

1187
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:13,860
And man, I could see it.

1188
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,340
I can rebuild my whole workflow command line,

1189
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:20,940
actually, just for the show, for shows, just

1190
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:23,380
based upon how I saw that thing working.

1191
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:24,840
And I'm I'm a mouseaholic.

1192
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:27,180
You know, I got a mouse around a

1193
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:29,880
hundred miles a week with the with the

1194
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:30,540
stuff I'm doing.

1195
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:31,780
Like if I could just keep my hands

1196
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:32,360
on the keyboard.

1197
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,800
Wow, that would be fantastic.

1198
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,160
Tiling window managers are great.

1199
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,220
I remember Fluxbox.

1200
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,000
Fluxbox.

1201
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,760
Well, it's based off a window manager called

1202
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,460
Blackbox.

1203
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,300
But then it was then they later forked

1204
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:49,680
it into a thing called Fluxbox.

1205
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,160
And it was just your your everything was

1206
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,760
done from a from a right click menu.

1207
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:58,700
And but then you could put it into

1208
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,940
a like a tiling window manager mode.

1209
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,900
And so it would just everything it would

1210
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:04,800
just always tile.

1211
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:06,420
It was great.

1212
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:08,140
Yeah, I got I got super used to

1213
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:08,300
that.

1214
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:10,240
I was I was really fast on it.

1215
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:10,760
Yeah.

1216
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,460
And that was a long time.

1217
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,760
You remember Motif?

1218
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:16,200
Yes, I do remember Motif.

1219
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,720
Yes.

1220
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:17,380
Yes.

1221
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,240
I had had Fluxbox with a Motif like

1222
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,060
Chrome on it.

1223
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,680
And then it was tiling mode and it

1224
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,780
was like, man, you could just fly.

1225
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,580
Well, kinds of shortcut keys.

1226
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:31,240
Yeah, I just get, you know, Windows just

1227
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,060
scares me.

1228
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,880
Yeah, it's like it's very critical to what

1229
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,340
I do.

1230
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:38,320
You know, you get all these just there's

1231
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,420
a lot of scary stuff.

1232
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,900
I'm like, no, I just don't really want

1233
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:42,600
any of that.

1234
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:48,800
So speaking of speaking of the the AI

1235
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,460
coding stuff.

1236
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:53,020
So I put I put up two repositories

1237
00:52:53,020 --> 00:52:53,520
today.

1238
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,460
One is just one is a skeleton of

1239
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:02,520
of a thing.

1240
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:05,560
And we link to it over in the

1241
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,100
boardroom.

1242
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,220
Copy, clean, paste.

1243
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,480
All right.

1244
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,460
In the boardroom.

1245
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:18,940
So in order to fight the AI slop

1246
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:19,720
battle.

1247
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,160
And it's just the spam battle in general

1248
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,600
amongst podcast directories and all of us.

1249
00:53:30,940 --> 00:53:32,840
We this.

1250
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,360
We need some way.

1251
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,320
I feel like I feel like the only

1252
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,180
in the in the past, the way you

1253
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:40,660
would do this is with a machine learning

1254
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:41,040
model.

1255
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,420
And you would train a machine learning model

1256
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:47,320
to do some sort of recognition on a

1257
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,060
set of inputs that are coming from a

1258
00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:51,000
feed.

1259
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:55,900
And you'd say, OK, here's the here's an

1260
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:56,580
here's an RSS.

1261
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:57,980
Here's a podcast feed.

1262
00:53:58,420 --> 00:53:59,500
And here's the title.

1263
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,320
Here's the description.

1264
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:01,300
Here's the image.

1265
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,800
Here's the the feeds URL.

1266
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:05,060
Here's the enclosure URL.

1267
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:06,300
Here's transcript.

1268
00:54:06,540 --> 00:54:08,140
You just feed it all this data about

1269
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:10,520
you would you ingest all this data about

1270
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:10,900
a feed.

1271
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:12,960
And you'd say and you'd have a matrix

1272
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,940
and you would say, OK, giving given these

1273
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:20,420
parameters, it ends up being either a one

1274
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:20,960
or a zero.

1275
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,620
And that's your machine learning model to determine

1276
00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:25,620
whether something is spam or not spam.

1277
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:28,540
The.

1278
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,920
The easier way to do that, I feel

1279
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,820
now will be is using LLM.

1280
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:37,520
So.

1281
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,460
If instead we use a language model.

1282
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:43,480
Then we can.

1283
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:49,820
Then the training part becomes easier because now

1284
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:53,100
the training just consists of describing what what

1285
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,660
is a spam feed or a slop feed.

1286
00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:59,620
Well, that's basically heuristics, isn't it?

1287
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:01,140
Yeah.

1288
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:02,960
But, you know, it's it's this is all

1289
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,480
text driven anyway.

1290
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:06,160
And all these, you know, all these RSS

1291
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,900
feed metadata.

1292
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,860
You know, aspects.

1293
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:14,680
So why not let the language model do

1294
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:14,920
it?

1295
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:19,140
And so we need a place to describe.

1296
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:23,320
What a spam feed consists of or what

1297
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,180
a slop feed consists of.

1298
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,760
So that's what this repository is meant to

1299
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,000
do.

1300
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,560
What I what I think this should be.

1301
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:35,700
It's called podcast quality control.

1302
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,680
Did you post it on the index?

1303
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:40,900
Yes, I did earlier today.

1304
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:46,400
So podcast quality control sounds like a CIA

1305
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,900
operation, but it's not.

1306
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,760
It's a.

1307
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,900
It's going to consist of multiple files describing

1308
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:56,040
the different things.

1309
00:55:56,420 --> 00:55:58,580
And I've already I've been testing this.

1310
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,420
So what I have is I have an

1311
00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:08,360
Olama server running the latest GPT OSS model.

1312
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,220
Mm hmm.

1313
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:15,140
And I have been I've been refining a

1314
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:19,420
script that calls the the open Web UI

1315
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:24,120
or excuse me, the Olama API and just

1316
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,580
asks it, OK, it tells it here's a

1317
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:28,020
feed.

1318
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,840
Here's here is a podcast feed and here's

1319
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:32,240
a title.

1320
00:56:32,340 --> 00:56:34,140
Here's a description, blah, blah, blah.

1321
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,260
Based on these details.

1322
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:44,300
Is this feed spam?

1323
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,280
High quality, malicious spam or slop?

1324
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:48,420
Yes.

1325
00:56:48,820 --> 00:56:49,020
Yeah.

1326
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:49,520
Got it.

1327
00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:52,240
And it's actually beginning to do a pretty

1328
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:52,780
good job.

1329
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:58,520
So does the Olama model it references these

1330
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:59,600
these files?

1331
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:00,520
Is that the idea?

1332
00:57:00,620 --> 00:57:03,040
It references these files and then makes a

1333
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,460
determination.

1334
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:04,900
Yes.

1335
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,900
So that's what I've been doing is feeding

1336
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,700
it a bunch of things that I'm seeing.

1337
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,940
So I've been set of the context for

1338
00:57:12,940 --> 00:57:17,180
its decision or for its, you know, the

1339
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:23,680
context for its model cycle where it feeds

1340
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,320
back on itself.

1341
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,620
The context there is I'm feeding it what

1342
00:57:28,620 --> 00:57:31,240
I consider to be spammy feeds.

1343
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:31,740
Mm hmm.

1344
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:34,080
So that would be like Vietnamese casinos.

1345
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:36,300
It's just all the stuff I'm seeing a

1346
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:36,880
lot of.

1347
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:38,760
Now, are you doing this based on the

1348
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,820
on the recent endpoint?

1349
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Yeah.

1350
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:43,400
And so that yes.

1351
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:46,760
And so that is the other repository that

1352
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,640
I posted today.

1353
00:57:48,860 --> 00:57:49,740
Which is.

1354
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:50,640
The index monitor.

1355
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:52,100
The index monitor.

1356
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:53,860
Oh, look, wait.

1357
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:55,460
Is this a is this a script I

1358
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:55,860
can load?

1359
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,360
It's a rust.

1360
00:57:58,700 --> 00:57:59,140
No.

1361
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,640
You do.

1362
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,180
Do you have rust installed?

1363
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:02,420
Well, not yet.

1364
00:58:02,460 --> 00:58:06,000
But I will just install rust and do

1365
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,500
cargo run.

1366
00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:08,580
And you'll be off to the races.

1367
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:10,640
It should build for you.

1368
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:12,380
If you just clone the clone, the GitHub

1369
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:14,100
repo down and do cargo run on it.

1370
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:17,420
Cool.

1371
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,920
So it's a command line tool.

1372
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:24,880
And again, this is just an exploratory thing

1373
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,600
that I'm trying.

1374
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:27,680
I'm throwing a bunch of stuff at the

1375
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:28,660
wall to see what sticks.

1376
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,060
But I think we all would benefit from

1377
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:36,300
having a tool like this where we can

1378
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:42,700
interact with the index and, you know, in

1379
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:44,420
a way where we just have, you know,

1380
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,640
like you said, hotkeys where we can, you

1381
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,500
know, do just basically do do index management

1382
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:54,400
stuff from a thing from an app like

1383
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:54,800
this.

1384
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,400
And right now, the main interface, right.

1385
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:59,620
Like I say right now, this can be

1386
00:58:59,620 --> 00:59:01,460
changed, but right now the main interface is

1387
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:05,220
just polling every 60 seconds to see what

1388
00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:06,860
the latest new feeds have been added to

1389
00:59:06,860 --> 00:59:08,160
the index, giving you a little bit of

1390
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:08,940
detail about it.

1391
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,720
You can hit the X button to view

1392
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:12,240
the XML.

1393
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:15,700
You can hit the P button to play

1394
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:17,560
the latest enclosure so you can hear it

1395
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,340
here as a sample of what this thing

1396
00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:20,660
is.

1397
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,360
And.

1398
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:25,260
That's it for right now.

1399
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:27,940
So this is sort of like a triage

1400
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:30,400
thing where you're watching what's coming into the

1401
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:30,900
index.

1402
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:34,300
And you're able to say, oh, look, there's

1403
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:36,880
a you know, there's a junk fee or

1404
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:37,160
whatever.

1405
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:41,940
So the next step in this is some

1406
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:44,220
is to be able to put in an

1407
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:46,940
API, a read write API key.

1408
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:48,800
That way you can feed back and say

1409
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,400
nuke it.

1410
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,960
This feeds crap.

1411
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Delete it.

1412
00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:54,120
This feed is spam.

1413
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:54,940
Delete it.

1414
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,300
So this will evolve hopefully to become the

1415
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,780
thing, the essentially the management interface.

1416
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:03,200
Sorry.

1417
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,100
Thirty three thousand three hundred and thirty three

1418
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,020
from Noble Pain.

1419
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:08,540
OK.

1420
01:00:08,860 --> 01:00:09,180
Good.

1421
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:09,880
Thank you.

1422
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,520
This will evolve to become the management pain

1423
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,920
that we that we as power users for

1424
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,780
the index will we'll use.

1425
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:24,940
So that goes back to.

1426
01:00:25,340 --> 01:00:27,360
And so excuse me, the the last.

1427
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,520
Portion of the management for the PI monitor

1428
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,880
management interface will be the ability to hook

1429
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,160
in like a plug in architecture.

1430
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,880
The the plug in part of it, what

1431
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,120
I'm hoping this that this will do is

1432
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,540
allow you to do some automation tools so

1433
01:00:48,540 --> 01:00:51,860
you can hook in a script or something

1434
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:56,140
like that that will that will monitor on

1435
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:57,020
your behalf.

1436
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:01,800
And then automatically do things so it could

1437
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,660
be calling some LLM somewhere or, you know,

1438
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,760
it could be who knows.

1439
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:11,460
I mean, backing up the audio from certain

1440
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:11,820
fees.

1441
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,360
I mean, who there is no limit to

1442
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,480
what a plug in system that could do

1443
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,000
if it's monitoring aspects of the index in

1444
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:20,460
real time.

1445
01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:24,400
So I think that that could become the

1446
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,580
basis of the quality control system.

1447
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:31,720
And but the issue is we in order

1448
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,900
for the quality control system to aspect of

1449
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,300
this thing to work where we're asking a

1450
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:41,140
model what it, you know, to make a

1451
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:44,260
decision, we're going to have to have the

1452
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:47,120
parameters for what the quality control is.

1453
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,800
So we need so what that would look

1454
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,420
like is you would say, OK, in the

1455
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:58,500
quality control repository, there's a file called, you

1456
01:01:58,500 --> 01:01:59,460
know, slop.

1457
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,980
And it's going to just just there's going

1458
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:04,000
to be a lot of text in there

1459
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,480
that describes all the aspects of the telltale

1460
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,680
signs of slop podcast.

1461
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,840
And you say when you call your API

1462
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,140
and say, is this slop?

1463
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,720
You say, go look at this repo file,

1464
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,880
which just describes what slop is.

1465
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,840
And if this feed matches those descriptions, then

1466
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,280
market a slop or tell me a slop

1467
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,620
so I can make a decision or give

1468
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:29,120
it a score or whatever you want to

1469
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:29,300
do.

1470
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:32,540
So this is all this is all spaghetti

1471
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:33,600
on a wall right now.

1472
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,520
But I think we as an in as

1473
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,000
an industry, quote, unquote.

1474
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,780
Meaning people who have vested interest in the

1475
01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:47,840
success of open podcasting ecosystem, we have to

1476
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,020
get a handle on this problem because it's

1477
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:53,980
every it's all over the place now.

1478
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:54,440
Yes.

1479
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:55,720
A lot.

1480
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:56,360
Yeah.

1481
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:58,480
I love the community aspect of it.

1482
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,000
I really think this is great.

1483
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:02,240
That is the way to do it.

1484
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,400
The hosting companies have a lot of knowledge

1485
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,460
on this because I know firsthand the battles

1486
01:03:09,460 --> 01:03:16,440
that they that they are facing with constantly

1487
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:23,840
removing spam feeds, feeds linking to escort services,

1488
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,220
feeds linking to.

1489
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:26,900
That's not spam, by the way.

1490
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,400
That's information, ma'am.

1491
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:37,240
Critical, critical information, information of the Vietnamese casinos,

1492
01:03:37,540 --> 01:03:39,640
affiliate spam.

1493
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:40,300
Right.

1494
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:41,000
Right.

1495
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:44,940
I mean, it's just like it's hundreds a

1496
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:50,060
day that are getting removed, but they don't.

1497
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:52,620
For all the hundreds that get removed, there's

1498
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:54,160
dozens that get through.

1499
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:57,880
They're just sneaky because people are having to

1500
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,940
manually do it.

1501
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,540
And so, yeah, I would like this to

1502
01:04:02,540 --> 01:04:04,140
become that thing.

1503
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:06,740
And this is my.

1504
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,780
And so for that reason, I think the

1505
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:13,220
people who are the people who will have

1506
01:04:13,220 --> 01:04:15,040
a vested interest in this would be hosting

1507
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,560
companies so that they can get the feedback.

1508
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:21,260
And then they would also be the ones

1509
01:04:21,260 --> 01:04:25,000
to to contribute to the quality control lists

1510
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,200
because they can they can type in the

1511
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,740
nature of what they're seeing.

1512
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:32,840
Mm hmm.

1513
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,320
They're not the only ones that are going

1514
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:34,560
to do it.

1515
01:04:34,580 --> 01:04:35,640
But I'm just saying they have a vested

1516
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:35,980
interest.

1517
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,580
I think they would have a real boots

1518
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:38,900
on the ground look at these things.

1519
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,160
So right now, the things we can do

1520
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,880
are basically just view.

1521
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,840
There's nothing there's nothing else in this in

1522
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,900
the PI monitor that does anything but just

1523
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,500
monitor basically.

1524
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:54,280
Are you running it right now?

1525
01:04:54,540 --> 01:04:55,680
I'm still building.

1526
01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:57,160
I'm doing in my cargo build.

1527
01:04:57,380 --> 01:04:58,020
I'm almost there.

1528
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:00,980
You know me, don't you?

1529
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:02,840
Are you running it yet?

1530
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,000
I'm putting it on my little my my

1531
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,580
my Nano Linode box here.

1532
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:12,180
So I'll be running in a moment.

1533
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:13,720
Yes.

1534
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:16,200
So if you do right right now, it's

1535
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,100
just a it's just the structure of what

1536
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:20,720
it'll become.

1537
01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:23,460
So I'm trying and this may change.

1538
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:24,600
Other people may have ideas.

1539
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,840
And just like we're doing with the with

1540
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,240
the new aggregator stuff.

1541
01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:35,200
This I want this to be a I

1542
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,920
LLM code friendly.

1543
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,920
And so that means you're welcome to throw

1544
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,000
some AI at it.

1545
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,600
You know, go go in there if you

1546
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,680
don't know how to if you don't know

1547
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,720
how to code rust, which many people don't

1548
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,740
feel I'm coded.

1549
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,620
I'm coded.

1550
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:54,920
Yeah.

1551
01:05:56,980 --> 01:06:00,940
So anyway, I think that's a great idea.

1552
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,700
Try trying to get trying to get a

1553
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:09,100
framework here that we can use for tackling

1554
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:10,700
this slot problem.

1555
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,940
Because it's it's going to overwhelm us if

1556
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:15,520
we're not careful.

1557
01:06:15,740 --> 01:06:17,260
So then we have to have a PI

1558
01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:20,900
monitor that monitors the output of everybody's PI

1559
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:21,900
monitor somewhere.

1560
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:24,020
Someone has to make a decision.

1561
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:24,400
Right.

1562
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:25,880
There has to be there has to be

1563
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,920
a thing at the end.

1564
01:06:27,060 --> 01:06:28,600
It's like, OK, this is.

1565
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,080
Oh, it worked.

1566
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:32,320
There it is.

1567
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:32,840
Did it?

1568
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:33,140
Yeah.

1569
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Yeah.

1570
01:06:34,820 --> 01:06:39,300
Man, you sound you sound Mexican.

1571
01:06:39,820 --> 01:06:43,960
The Charlotte business podcast Wow.

1572
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:47,300
Refresh.

1573
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:50,380
Wait, do I have to hit return when

1574
01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:51,000
I hit refresh?

1575
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,280
No, it's just the R key should refresh.

1576
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,100
But it may not be anything new.

1577
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:56,260
Right.

1578
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,700
Oh, I can get feed details.

1579
01:06:59,580 --> 01:06:59,960
Wow.

1580
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:02,300
Oh, this is cool, Dave.

1581
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:02,740
Hold on.

1582
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:04,080
We hit this boom speaker.

1583
01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:05,020
Huh?

1584
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:07,720
Well, that's a beautiful interface you bought that

1585
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:08,580
you built there, brother.

1586
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,280
That is very cool.

1587
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:12,680
It's this.

1588
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,260
This is a good project for spitballing UI

1589
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:18,400
is on.

1590
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,500
It doesn't like play latest from my from

1591
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:23,320
my remote box, obviously.

1592
01:07:24,540 --> 01:07:26,200
Oh, oh, the audio.

1593
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:26,680
Well, yeah.

1594
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:27,740
It's like I can't.

1595
01:07:27,740 --> 01:07:28,140
I can't.

1596
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:28,520
I can't.

1597
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:29,180
I can't do it.

1598
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,000
I can't do it, man.

1599
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:30,660
It's not possible.

1600
01:07:30,740 --> 01:07:31,280
Did it crash?

1601
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:33,960
Well, let me see what it do.

1602
01:07:34,180 --> 01:07:35,880
Let me just let me hit it here.

1603
01:07:36,140 --> 01:07:38,480
Play latest downloading audio.

1604
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:40,220
No such file or directory.

1605
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,940
A LSA lib.

1606
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:42,280
Yeah.

1607
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,600
OK, it's it's trying to play.

1608
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:45,940
It's trying to it's trying to play audio.

1609
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:47,700
I think you have to have the also

1610
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,460
system libraries.

1611
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:52,460
And then I need to X X display

1612
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:54,060
it out to my machine, I guess, or

1613
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:54,760
something like that.

1614
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:55,460
Yeah.

1615
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:56,380
Who knows that?

1616
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,440
But it's so this may not be the

1617
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,440
right UI for this.

1618
01:08:00,460 --> 01:08:02,920
But I was just thinking this this would

1619
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,480
become also the basis for so one way

1620
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,440
I like to work is I like to

1621
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,580
throw a whole lot of stuff out there.

1622
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:14,340
All kind of all at once.

1623
01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:14,840
Mm hmm.

1624
01:08:15,420 --> 01:08:15,979
And then.

1625
01:08:17,060 --> 01:08:20,620
It can sort of all come together because.

1626
01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:23,399
I think we can see that we are

1627
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:24,800
a lot of times at the beginning of

1628
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,300
a project or an idea, you have a

1629
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,020
sense of what all the parts are that

1630
01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:29,640
you're going to need.

1631
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:31,680
You just don't know necessarily the details of

1632
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,640
how each one of them are going to

1633
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:33,000
work.

1634
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:33,520
Mm hmm.

1635
01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:36,279
So you can throw you can go ahead

1636
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,340
and know that, you know, OK, we're going

1637
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:39,340
to need a new parser.

1638
01:08:39,939 --> 01:08:41,020
We're going to need a new cue.

1639
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,420
We're going to need a new aggregator.

1640
01:08:42,939 --> 01:08:46,040
We're going to need a new database ingester.

1641
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:47,260
We're going to need a way to get

1642
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:49,240
the stats out of out of it and

1643
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,040
log monitoring.

1644
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:52,680
We're going to need a way to do

1645
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:56,000
a client side application in order to interface

1646
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,140
with the with the monitoring and with the

1647
01:08:58,140 --> 01:08:58,500
management.

1648
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,640
We're going to need blah, blah, blah, blah,

1649
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:00,600
blah, blah, blah.

1650
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,660
You already know the things, even though you

1651
01:09:02,660 --> 01:09:04,000
don't necessarily know how each one of them

1652
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,520
is going to work.

1653
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:05,600
And.

1654
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,819
So that's the idea here is we already

1655
01:09:08,819 --> 01:09:10,000
kind of know the components.

1656
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:11,180
So I'm just trying to get all the

1657
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:12,279
repos in place.

1658
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:14,200
Ahead of time.

1659
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:14,700
Mm hmm.

1660
01:09:14,779 --> 01:09:16,380
So that then we can begin to fit.

1661
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,040
Now we can begin to fill it, fill

1662
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:18,920
out the details.

1663
01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:21,600
So we, you know, we have the parser.

1664
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:23,240
We have a repo.

1665
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,840
We have the executor.

1666
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,779
We have we have all these things now.

1667
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,760
So now let's go and just start to

1668
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:30,660
fill in the gaps.

1669
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,399
And I think what I'm going to do

1670
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:35,240
on the aggregator side of things.

1671
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,279
I think I'm going to use the live

1672
01:09:39,020 --> 01:09:40,859
you know, this is how we roll.

1673
01:09:41,020 --> 01:09:42,479
I think I'm going to use the live

1674
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,700
aggregate, the live podcast index.

1675
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:51,720
As the guinea pig for the new for

1676
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,700
the queuing part.

1677
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:56,020
So the queuing is not not the queuing

1678
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:56,700
is live.

1679
01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:58,640
Live goes to the top of the queue

1680
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,160
right away.

1681
01:09:59,220 --> 01:09:59,540
Right.

1682
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,240
Or am I am I misunderstanding what you're

1683
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:02,580
talking about?

1684
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:02,740
That's right.

1685
01:10:02,860 --> 01:10:03,060
OK.

1686
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:03,500
Yeah.

1687
01:10:03,620 --> 01:10:03,860
Yeah.

1688
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:05,860
And so like if we if we use.

1689
01:10:09,380 --> 01:10:12,820
One of the biggest problems and the reason

1690
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:15,160
why we had the aggregator five problem this

1691
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:15,600
week.

1692
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,740
One of the biggest problems is the lack

1693
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:19,880
of of queuing.

1694
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:21,980
And so.

1695
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,800
All the the parsing is extracting all this

1696
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,060
data and then it's all nine parsers are

1697
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:31,920
trying to cram it into the database at

1698
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:32,440
one time.

1699
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:36,500
And so we need a queue system to

1700
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,440
get it off the parsers into the database.

1701
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,240
And so I think what we can do

1702
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,020
is work backwards.

1703
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:43,520
We can begin with that.

1704
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,860
We can begin by just not writing directly

1705
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:48,580
to the database instead of writing to the

1706
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:48,940
queue.

1707
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:54,180
And then and then get the existing system

1708
01:10:54,180 --> 01:10:55,760
to work in that fashion.

1709
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,440
Then we can go and then now now

1710
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:02,040
that everything from the queue forward to the

1711
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,060
database is agnostic of what the parsers look

1712
01:11:05,060 --> 01:11:05,380
like.

1713
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:08,440
They don't even they don't even know anymore

1714
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:09,600
what the parser is.

1715
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:11,680
And so now we can begin to swap

1716
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,490
those pieces out in a way that that

1717
01:11:16,490 --> 01:11:16,750
works.

1718
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:18,870
So we'll start with our existing database and

1719
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:20,670
just work backwards from it.

1720
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:23,990
And you're right, Eric.

1721
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:25,230
That lets you bulk update too.

1722
01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:25,510
Yes.

1723
01:11:25,570 --> 01:11:27,870
So the if the because the you can

1724
01:11:27,870 --> 01:11:31,430
imagine if if the queue if sort of

1725
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:34,070
the the queue that's feeding the database if

1726
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:37,770
it's taking in just sort of genericized objects

1727
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:38,890
of data.

1728
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:39,350
Okay.

1729
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:41,670
So I already scored an AI slop right

1730
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:42,450
off the bat.

1731
01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:43,330
Oh yeah?

1732
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:43,790
Yeah.

1733
01:11:43,890 --> 01:11:46,670
And it's interesting because I already noticed with

1734
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:50,810
my own neural network with my knower so

1735
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:54,110
it came in in the PI monitor.

1736
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:55,950
It's a Spreaker, of course.

1737
01:11:56,770 --> 01:12:00,930
And it had no description on the feed.

1738
01:12:01,030 --> 01:12:02,430
It's called Quiet Please.

1739
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:07,470
And because it didn't have a description right

1740
01:12:07,470 --> 01:12:09,930
away I'm like hmm okay that's odd why

1741
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:11,270
didn't you have a description in there?

1742
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:13,770
And it says Ghost Ships is a three

1743
01:12:13,770 --> 01:12:16,370
-part investigative series from the Quiet Please podcast

1744
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:20,170
network hosted by AI journalist Alexandra Reeves.

1745
01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:22,030
Oh nice.

1746
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:24,050
And so the next one because there's now

1747
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:26,750
three came in in a row because the

1748
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:28,330
only way I can tell is by looking

1749
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:30,810
at the feed and All from Spreaker?

1750
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:31,670
They all came from Spreaker?

1751
01:12:31,730 --> 01:12:35,310
No the second one is from RSS.com

1752
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:37,890
Wow this thing is a mess.

1753
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:42,630
Also when they don't do it's weird when

1754
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:45,130
they don't do a description in the in

1755
01:12:45,130 --> 01:12:48,650
the channel that to me that's a flag

1756
01:12:48,650 --> 01:12:49,250
right there.

1757
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:50,510
You know it's like why don't you have

1758
01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:51,010
a description?

1759
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:52,150
Yeah.

1760
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:53,950
And oh yeah Yeah.

1761
01:12:53,950 --> 01:12:56,530
Whip and do it I got it I

1762
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:57,570
do it I do it I do it

1763
01:12:57,570 --> 01:13:00,330
like a maca like a honey hey yeah

1764
01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:03,070
this is this is this is junk yeah

1765
01:13:03,070 --> 01:13:06,210
it's junk it's junk I tell you junk

1766
01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:09,190
and it's got no what it doesn't even

1767
01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:10,130
have a media file?

1768
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:10,970
It doesn't have any enclosure?

1769
01:13:12,270 --> 01:13:15,870
Wait it does enclosure hmm okay now hold

1770
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:17,910
on a second since I can't do play

1771
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:20,510
let's just listen this is very cool Dave

1772
01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:22,670
this is a problem because now I'm going

1773
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:24,270
to be sitting here all day doing this.

1774
01:13:24,370 --> 01:13:26,410
Yeah, this is a bad thing for you.

1775
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:27,370
It is.

1776
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:28,110
That's interesting.

1777
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:29,230
Um, hold on.

1778
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:29,670
Let me…

1779
01:13:31,210 --> 01:13:31,770
Let's see if we…

1780
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:32,210
Xin chào.

1781
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:35,090
Episode 5 khám phá thế giới cá cược

1782
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:37,150
trực tuyến đam mê và chiến lược cho…

1783
01:13:37,150 --> 01:13:37,250
AI.

1784
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:37,750
That's a synthetic voice, yeah.

1785
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:38,230
That's AI.

1786
01:13:38,530 --> 01:13:39,150
Yeah, that's AI.

1787
01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:41,230
So right off the bat, I would say,

1788
01:13:41,310 --> 01:13:44,190
hey, if you're coming through without a description

1789
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:46,490
in your feed, you're already sus.

1790
01:13:48,670 --> 01:13:51,410
Put it, file it in sus.md, baby.

1791
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:56,990
It's a new entry in the quality control

1792
01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:57,430
manual.

1793
01:13:57,790 --> 01:13:57,890
Yes.

1794
01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:58,490
Wow.

1795
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:59,430
Yeah.

1796
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:59,890
Wow.

1797
01:13:59,950 --> 01:14:00,410
Very cool.

1798
01:14:00,530 --> 01:14:02,490
So five of those came in.

1799
01:14:04,670 --> 01:14:07,330
Tuckleo18, Tuckaluckaluckalo68, Tuckaduckata88.

1800
01:14:08,130 --> 01:14:08,590
Yeah.

1801
01:14:09,010 --> 01:14:10,410
So it's all crap.

1802
01:14:11,290 --> 01:14:13,350
Hey, RSS.com, that's from you guys.

1803
01:14:14,890 --> 01:14:18,030
And yeah, you should have a language there

1804
01:14:18,030 --> 01:14:18,680
and a…

1805
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:21,680
Yeah, if you hit enter, it'll give you

1806
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:22,240
some details.

1807
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:22,380
Oh, yeah.

1808
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:24,720
Well, the funny part is it gives me

1809
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,960
language EN, which it clearly isn't because it

1810
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,640
just, you know, it's horrible.

1811
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:30,780
I mean, you can tell right away.

1812
01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:32,920
That didn't even take the time to fill

1813
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,120
out the description or the…

1814
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:41,100
So we have title, link, three links, description,

1815
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:47,480
but the title is the URL, which is

1816
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:50,160
this Tyler Huckaluckalucka.

1817
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:52,320
Let me see.

1818
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:53,480
Yeah, I see the 18.

1819
01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:54,400
Yeah, exactly.

1820
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:56,320
Tylerhuckaluckaluckalucka18.com.

1821
01:14:56,340 --> 01:14:56,480
Yeah.

1822
01:14:56,620 --> 01:14:58,740
So that right there is generated.

1823
01:14:58,940 --> 01:15:01,380
You know, some douchebag put that in there,

1824
01:15:02,060 --> 01:15:02,660
right?

1825
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:03,700
Mm-hmm.

1826
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:03,800
Yeah.

1827
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:05,480
Yeah.

1828
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:06,440
What does that go to?

1829
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,320
Kio Bondiakanda.

1830
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,460
What is…

1831
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:13,480
You sound like a Mexican radio announcer.

1832
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:14,060
It's Vietnamese.

1833
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:15,700
It's some Vietnamese spam.

1834
01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:18,700
There's a ton of spam coming out of

1835
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:21,620
Vietnamese stuff right now.

1836
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,540
Hey, listen, you guys, don't you remember us?

1837
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,160
That was a really…

1838
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,380
What?

1839
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:28,660
That was a really bad joke.

1840
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,560
Hey, Vietnam, don't you remember us?

1841
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:32,880
No, that was a bad joke.

1842
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:33,960
It was a very bad joke.

1843
01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:38,340
AI 2030, conversations about the future of AI.

1844
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:38,780
Okay.

1845
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:40,080
I cut it.

1846
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,380
Yeah, this is a mess.

1847
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:42,960
This is sexy.

1848
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,400
It updates in real time, too.

1849
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,680
I think the alternate interface for this needs

1850
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,540
to be like a real-time view of

1851
01:15:52,540 --> 01:15:53,900
what's happening in the aggregators.

1852
01:15:54,860 --> 01:15:55,420
Right.

1853
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,580
So that it's not hidden behind a curtain

1854
01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:58,360
of secrecy.

1855
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:59,200
Right.

1856
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:01,660
You know, where you don't have to say,

1857
01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:04,940
hey, Dave, why is my feed not showing

1858
01:16:04,940 --> 01:16:05,240
up?

1859
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,940
Where you can fire up the monitor and

1860
01:16:07,940 --> 01:16:12,020
look at the aggregator output, and you can

1861
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:13,540
spot some kind of issue.

1862
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,580
Well, this by itself…

1863
01:16:16,580 --> 01:16:17,700
I mean, I could sit here and just

1864
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:19,800
go, mark, mark, mark, mark, mark.

1865
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:21,140
These three can just go.

1866
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,160
And then, of course, because they're doing incremental

1867
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:30,280
numbers, Thaily Kakuak 1868-88, you know, that

1868
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,760
would be like some flag we could tell

1869
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,380
the LLM like, oh, when you see this

1870
01:16:35,380 --> 01:16:38,160
nonsense going on, start getting rid of it.

1871
01:16:38,740 --> 01:16:39,300
Yes.

1872
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,340
The next thing that's going to happen is

1873
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:45,140
a flag as spam key in this thing,

1874
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:47,600
which is going to flag the index that

1875
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,580
this thing has been manually identified as a

1876
01:16:50,580 --> 01:16:51,300
spam feed.

1877
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,960
And then the hosting, and then there will

1878
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,500
be a corresponding API endpoint where the hosting

1879
01:16:57,500 --> 01:17:03,060
companies can poll and see which ones have

1880
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:04,620
been identified as spam.

1881
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,680
Because a lot of times they don't know.

1882
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:13,420
No, but this is so good because, you

1883
01:17:13,420 --> 01:17:16,760
know, our brains are much better than AI

1884
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:20,460
at recognizing this, but we could totally, totally

1885
01:17:20,460 --> 01:17:21,120
teach it.

1886
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,200
And, I mean, just now another four came

1887
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:29,580
in, Anchor, Buzzsprout, RS5, three, and they're all,

1888
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,300
none of them, you know, they all have

1889
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:35,200
their description as the URL, which is just

1890
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,980
like, that's going to be spam.

1891
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:37,680
I already know it.

1892
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,620
The Pool Guides Podcast, hosted by Christian Shrilla

1893
01:17:41,620 --> 01:17:42,460
of River Pools.

1894
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,300
Which type of pool is right for my

1895
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:47,280
family and climate?

1896
01:17:47,780 --> 01:17:50,420
Please, do they even say it's AI?

1897
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:52,160
No.

1898
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:55,040
And what's interesting is you see things across

1899
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,440
different hosts that all correspond.

1900
01:17:58,700 --> 01:18:01,820
So you'll see the same links and spam

1901
01:18:01,820 --> 01:18:05,920
links and descriptions showing up almost all at

1902
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,280
once across RSS.com, Buzzsprout, Podbean.

1903
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:10,700
They hit them all.

1904
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,160
Transistor, you know, and they're, what they're doing

1905
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,160
is they're abusing their seven-day trial signup

1906
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:17,620
stuff.

1907
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:17,980
Yeah.

1908
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,360
But they're not even putting in an enclosure

1909
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,040
in these.

1910
01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:26,020
I mean, there's something Buzzsprout could do right

1911
01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:26,300
away.

1912
01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:27,820
Like, hey, you forgot an enclosure.

1913
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:28,360
No.

1914
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,680
Well, you have to create the, you know,

1915
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,200
you create the podcast first, then you add

1916
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:32,680
the episode.

1917
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,160
Oh, that's what's going on.

1918
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,600
They can't really do that.

1919
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,200
Okay.

1920
01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:37,180
I see what you're saying.

1921
01:18:37,500 --> 01:18:38,100
Got it.

1922
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:38,820
Yeah.

1923
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:39,980
But you can check out, if you hit

1924
01:18:39,980 --> 01:18:41,100
the X key, you should be able to

1925
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:41,680
check out the XML.

1926
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,180
That's what I'm doing.

1927
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:42,440
Yeah.

1928
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:43,620
I'm looking in the XML.

1929
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:44,260
Yeah.

1930
01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:45,720
Needs to be a little bit of, probably

1931
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,020
needs to be some color coding in here

1932
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:49,240
to be able to kind of differentiate, because

1933
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:49,940
it's hard to read.

1934
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,720
But yeah, we'll see that you, I think

1935
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,940
it'll be obvious if anybody downloads this and

1936
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:59,120
runs it for a little while and just

1937
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,740
watch, it'll be obvious what the problem is.

1938
01:19:01,740 --> 01:19:04,540
Everybody needs to listen to the Swine Health

1939
01:19:04,540 --> 01:19:05,200
Hotline.

1940
01:19:06,340 --> 01:19:06,780
Yikes.

1941
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,700
Where'd that come from?

1942
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:08,540
Is that in there?

1943
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:09,500
Just popped up.

1944
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:10,820
Oh, it has an enclosure.

1945
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:11,180
Hold on.

1946
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:11,940
Let's listen to it.

1947
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,600
You know, because I'm just presuming it's spam.

1948
01:19:15,660 --> 01:19:16,900
No, I just see it now.

1949
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,380
Let's see what this is.

1950
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,380
It all comes down to health for your

1951
01:19:23,380 --> 01:19:23,740
pigs.

1952
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,860
37 seconds.

1953
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:25,960
And your operation.

1954
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:29,360
Health challenges aren't going away, but Swine Health

1955
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,760
Hotline will answer your health questions so you

1956
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,980
can make the best decisions.

1957
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,140
Oh, this sounds real.

1958
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,940
Hosted by me, ag journalist, Casey Brown.

1959
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:39,760
This podcast will arm you with valuable insights

1960
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,740
on swine disease mitigation, cutting edge research, safety

1961
01:19:43,740 --> 01:19:46,200
protocols, success stories, and more.

1962
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:47,820
I'm subscribing right now.

1963
01:19:47,980 --> 01:19:48,900
Yeah, I'm in.

1964
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,580
I'm in, I'm in.

1965
01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:52,600
I'm putting it in my Godcaster.

1966
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,340
I need Swine Health, baby.

1967
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:57,680
Oh, this is so beautiful.

1968
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:58,660
So much fun.

1969
01:19:58,760 --> 01:19:59,300
So, okay.

1970
01:19:59,420 --> 01:20:00,020
So there you go.

1971
01:20:00,020 --> 01:20:02,460
That's, that's probably actually a real podcast.

1972
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:04,260
Yeah.

1973
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,080
Oh man.

1974
01:20:06,220 --> 01:20:08,060
This is, this is great, Dave.

1975
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,060
Just this.

1976
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,080
So, all right.

1977
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,740
So how soon can I start vibe coding

1978
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:15,360
and doing PRs?

1979
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,940
Hit it, man.

1980
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,520
If I don't get a PR from you

1981
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:20,580
on this by the end of the week,

1982
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:21,040
I'm going to be disappointed.

1983
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:22,520
You're getting a PR from me on this

1984
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:23,140
one for sure.

1985
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:23,400
Okay.

1986
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,140
This is beautiful.

1987
01:20:24,220 --> 01:20:24,780
All right, everybody.

1988
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,480
Let's thank some people because we do have

1989
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:29,040
about 10 minutes left.

1990
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,880
And we got that magic number boost from

1991
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,500
Noble Payne, 33,333.

1992
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
And a nice Boostergram for the Don't Kill

1993
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:39,520
Dave Fund.

1994
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:40,780
Adam made me send it.

1995
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,980
The V4V love in this episode reminded me

1996
01:20:45,980 --> 01:20:48,320
that over the holidays on Linux Unplugged, we

1997
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:49,880
had our annual Boosties event.

1998
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,460
It's our little celebration of the value sent

1999
01:20:52,460 --> 01:20:53,760
to us by our amazing audience.

2000
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,100
It's one of the things we use the

2001
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:57,800
current keyboard metadata for, keys and metadata for,

2002
01:20:58,140 --> 01:20:58,620
by the way.

2003
01:20:58,620 --> 01:20:58,740
Okay.

2004
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,140
Message received.

2005
01:21:00,580 --> 01:21:02,200
Just thought y'all might appreciate the community

2006
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:02,680
love.

2007
01:21:02,780 --> 01:21:07,880
Check out episode 646 for that long live

2008
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,140
Aggie 5 long live podcasting.

2009
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:11,740
And welcome to Linux, Adam.

2010
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,780
No, I've been using Linux for a long

2011
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:14,180
time.

2012
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:16,280
Do it for Aggie 5.

2013
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:17,040
That's right.

2014
01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:18,740
Aggie 5 is alive, baby.

2015
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,380
We've got Martin Lindiskog with 1701 coming in

2016
01:21:23,380 --> 01:21:24,200
from True Fans.

2017
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,380
By the way, the Noble Payne, that was

2018
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:29,120
from the Boost Bridge.

2019
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,820
Adam and Dave, thanks for the open source

2020
01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:33,260
talk.

2021
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:34,960
Open in parens, source talk.

2022
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,920
And the gig economy.

2023
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,220
Talking about computer nostalgia, have you owned a

2024
01:21:39,220 --> 01:21:40,060
Commodore 64?

2025
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:42,080
Check out Generation 64 book.

2026
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:44,060
Time for a ride with a spaceship.

2027
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,440
Well, I had a VIC-20, which is

2028
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,940
the precursor, the predecessor to the Commodore 64.

2029
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:56,140
And before that, I had the Sinclair ZX80.

2030
01:21:57,100 --> 01:21:59,400
Commodore 64 was my first ever computer.

2031
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,820
And the first programming I ever did was

2032
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:05,080
using the basic book that my Commodore came

2033
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:05,300
with.

2034
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:05,620
Yes.

2035
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,020
That was the same that I did.

2036
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,720
Although I started with the Sinclair ZX80 and

2037
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,760
then the VIC-20, which was a problem

2038
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,640
in Germany because VIC, you know, it sounds

2039
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,980
like fic, which is F-U-C-K.

2040
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:19,960
Oh, yeah.

2041
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,440
They had a marketing problem.

2042
01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:23,080
Yikes.

2043
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,700
The first thing I learned how to do

2044
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:32,780
was how to get into the game module

2045
01:22:32,780 --> 01:22:34,620
that you plugged in and copy it to

2046
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:34,980
cassette.

2047
01:22:35,980 --> 01:22:37,520
Oh, don't copy that floppy.

2048
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,420
Don't copy that floppy.

2049
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,580
We were copying those plugins, man.

2050
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:46,660
Let me see.

2051
01:22:46,820 --> 01:22:49,900
We have 3333 from SirLibre.

2052
01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:52,940
Remember to check out tonight's live show featuring

2053
01:22:52,940 --> 01:22:53,680
SoBig.

2054
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,660
That's tonight, 7 p.m. Central.

2055
01:22:55,820 --> 01:22:59,580
Get more info at boostbeach.live. Brought to

2056
01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:01,920
you by Boobury and the usual cast of

2057
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:02,380
Hobbyist.

2058
01:23:02,460 --> 01:23:04,300
Yes, those guys are always doing cool stuff.

2059
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,360
Then I hit the delimiter.

2060
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:08,940
There you go.

2061
01:23:09,020 --> 01:23:09,520
You're up, Dave.

2062
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,100
Oh, I got some PayPals.

2063
01:23:11,260 --> 01:23:13,380
These are over the emails because I didn't

2064
01:23:13,380 --> 01:23:14,340
have time to print them out.

2065
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:17,320
We got Oscar Mary.

2066
01:23:17,620 --> 01:23:18,140
$200.

2067
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:19,060
Nice.

2068
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:25,060
Thank you very much, Oscar.

2069
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,600
That is highly appreciated.

2070
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,140
Yeah, appreciate that.

2071
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,120
Sorry about AggieFive, Oscar.

2072
01:23:32,220 --> 01:23:33,020
It affected him, too.

2073
01:23:33,940 --> 01:23:34,980
My apologies.

2074
01:23:35,060 --> 01:23:38,020
Well, I'm on the Fountain hostings.

2075
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:39,600
That's how AggieFive hit me.

2076
01:23:39,860 --> 01:23:41,120
But it doesn't have anything to do with

2077
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,140
Fountain, per se.

2078
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,160
Hashtag remember AggieFive.

2079
01:23:46,660 --> 01:23:47,940
Rip AggieFive.

2080
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,300
Rip AggieFive, yeah.

2081
01:23:49,700 --> 01:23:51,200
Joseph Maraca, $5.

2082
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:52,120
Thank you, Joseph.

2083
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:52,840
Appreciate you.

2084
01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:57,220
Oh, there's $50 from Mitch at Podverse.

2085
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:58,600
Thank you, Mitch.

2086
01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:59,660
Thank you very much, Mitch.

2087
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:00,780
Yeah.

2088
01:24:02,380 --> 01:24:05,900
Archie has been helping me to come up

2089
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,100
with some strategies for how to do these

2090
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:09,620
architectural changes as well.

2091
01:24:09,620 --> 01:24:12,200
He spent a good hour and a half

2092
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:13,560
on a Zoom call with me the other

2093
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,500
day walking through the way the index is

2094
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:19,520
structured and stuff and just really giving some

2095
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:19,920
advice.

2096
01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:20,720
Very cool.

2097
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,960
Yeah, I really appreciate his time.

2098
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,720
Lauren Ball, $24.20. Thank you, Lauren.

2099
01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:29,380
Appreciate you.

2100
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,060
Christopher Harabaric, $10.

2101
01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:33,340
Thank you.

2102
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,200
Really, I'm so appreciative of these people who

2103
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,540
have just been all supporting like every month

2104
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:39,080
for years.

2105
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:40,400
Yeah, no kidding.

2106
01:24:40,580 --> 01:24:41,540
It just is awesome.

2107
01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:45,040
Mitch, on a personal level, not a Podverse

2108
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:45,960
level, $10.

2109
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:48,280
I appreciate you, Mitch.

2110
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:50,820
And I think that's it for our PayPals.

2111
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:52,000
Yes, that's it for PayPals.

2112
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,160
And so we got some boosts.

2113
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:55,280
Let me flip back over here to our

2114
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:55,560
boosts.

2115
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:02,360
We got Anonymous from TrueFans, $47.30. Thank

2116
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:02,920
you, TrueFans.

2117
01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:05,800
I wonder if that's Lyceum.

2118
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:07,640
Probably, probably.

2119
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,540
He's a heavy TrueFans user, I think.

2120
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:10,080
Yes, he is.

2121
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:14,720
NAMillennial at Fountain, $5,000 sats.

2122
01:25:14,820 --> 01:25:16,600
For the quick turnaround on the feed URL

2123
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,000
issue, the offensive thank you.

2124
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,560
Oh, I fixed it.

2125
01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:20,260
I fixed that.

2126
01:25:20,860 --> 01:25:21,400
Oh, thank you.

2127
01:25:21,420 --> 01:25:21,800
Yeah, I bet.

2128
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,820
I've been learning Merge.

2129
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,020
I've become quite the Merge wizard.

2130
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,540
All that I want to be in this

2131
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:29,940
command line app.

2132
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:31,460
In this terminal app.

2133
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,380
That way it'll fit into your...

2134
01:25:33,380 --> 01:25:36,080
Well, it will permanently occupy a space in

2135
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,260
your own marchy tile.

2136
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:39,780
On my fifth monitor.

2137
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:41,160
Yeah, on the fifth.

2138
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:44,280
Let's see.

2139
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:46,260
We got a boost.

2140
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,260
We got $22.22 from Celos.

2141
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,080
Oh, thank you, Celos.

2142
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,640
And that is through Fountain.

2143
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,320
He says, I get putting HLS in the

2144
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,640
enclosure for ads purposes, but I expect that

2145
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,400
to lead to many self-hosted feeds trying

2146
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,760
this out without having an SSL certificate.

2147
01:26:02,260 --> 01:26:05,180
So on all the HTTPS web apps, they

2148
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:08,100
now won't be able to play an episode.

2149
01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:11,180
Insecure media requests are allowed in browsers, but

2150
01:26:11,180 --> 01:26:13,280
not in secure HTTP requests.

2151
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:16,540
That's something to think about.

2152
01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:18,620
This whole SSL stuff, man.

2153
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:23,080
Now certs can't last longer than 45 days.

2154
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,880
That's the latest I've been hearing about.

2155
01:26:25,540 --> 01:26:26,120
Yeah, 47.

2156
01:26:26,580 --> 01:26:27,680
Yeah, and then why are you doing this?

2157
01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:30,140
Just set a script to renew it automatically.

2158
01:26:30,140 --> 01:26:30,600
Okay.

2159
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:32,820
Yeah, sure.

2160
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:34,440
I don't have enough servers in my life

2161
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:35,400
where that has to happen.

2162
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:36,320
Yeah.

2163
01:26:36,380 --> 01:26:38,620
Tell that to Google organization.

2164
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:38,940
Yeah.

2165
01:26:39,020 --> 01:26:40,340
Tell that to the organizations that have an

2166
01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:42,640
exchange server sitting in a closet somewhere.

2167
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:44,900
All that stuff's just going to break.

2168
01:26:46,940 --> 01:26:48,000
Comedy Strip blogger.

2169
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:49,040
We got the delimiter.

2170
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:50,120
The delimiter pops in.

2171
01:26:50,440 --> 01:26:50,960
Yes, beautiful.

2172
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:56,720
Through Fountain, CSB says, Howdy, Dave and Adam.

2173
01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:59,480
I would like to recommend a recently revived

2174
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:01,680
podcast with Adam's wifey, Tina.

2175
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,180
How does Tina feel about being called wifey?

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,660
She loves comic strip bloggers, so she has

2177
01:27:08,660 --> 01:27:10,760
no problem with his vocabulary.

2178
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:11,960
She's okay with it.

2179
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:17,040
You can find it at www.curryandthekeeper.com

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01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,780
or by searching for a quote, curry and

2181
01:27:19,780 --> 01:27:22,720
the keeper, unquote, in podcasting 2.0 apps.

2182
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:25,400
It's about their life journey as a couple,

2183
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,240
including their friends from Texas small city, where

2184
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:29,800
they live called Fred something.

2185
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:34,140
They need Bitcoin grams badly to buy food

2186
01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:35,400
for their dog, Phoebe.

2187
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:37,640
So please send them some Satoshis.

2188
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:40,040
Yo, CSB AI arch wizard.

2189
01:27:41,180 --> 01:27:41,620
Yes.

2190
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,480
Brother, if you need food for the dog,

2191
01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:44,960
you got to speak up, bro.

2192
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,300
I'll send you some cash.

2193
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,560
The dog is working on the value for

2194
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,400
value system.

2195
01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:52,060
You know, if the dog doesn't do what

2196
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:53,440
we want, there's no food for you.

2197
01:27:54,140 --> 01:27:55,340
Oh, you need one of those things.

2198
01:27:55,340 --> 01:27:57,100
You need one of those, one of those

2199
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:59,660
triggers like with a goat feeder.

2200
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:00,360
Remember the goat feeder?

2201
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,640
The goat feeder was great.

2202
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,980
You boost some Satoshis and then the goat

2203
01:28:04,980 --> 01:28:05,800
gets some food.

2204
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,800
Yeah, just Phoebe, some food just ran into

2205
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:09,360
Phoebe's bowl.

2206
01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:10,780
Okay.

2207
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:12,020
All right.

2208
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:12,480
All right.

2209
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:13,540
Well, I'm on it.

2210
01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:14,260
I'm on it.

2211
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:15,700
Was that it?

2212
01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:18,320
That's the full gamut.

2213
01:28:18,420 --> 01:28:18,820
Well, thank you.

2214
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,060
Thank you all very much for supporting podcasting

2215
01:28:21,060 --> 01:28:23,940
2.0. The podcast index mainly, and you

2216
01:28:23,940 --> 01:28:25,880
can go to podcastindex.org at the bottom.

2217
01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:27,260
If you'd like to send us some PayPal,

2218
01:28:27,860 --> 01:28:28,440
do that.

2219
01:28:28,580 --> 01:28:30,000
The big red donate button.

2220
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,520
But of course, you can always boost this

2221
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:32,820
show and send a booster gram.

2222
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:33,800
All right.

2223
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:34,160
Boom.

2224
01:28:34,220 --> 01:28:34,740
Look at that.

2225
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,220
Within a minute and a half to spare.

2226
01:28:36,380 --> 01:28:37,700
Although I feel I'm going to be stuck

2227
01:28:37,700 --> 01:28:39,940
here watching these, this slot.

2228
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:42,760
I'm sorry I did this to you, bud.

2229
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:47,080
You're just sitting by the PI monitor watching

2230
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,300
all the fees come through.

2231
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:51,420
There is so many of these.

2232
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:52,860
And some is not.

2233
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:53,180
What?

2234
01:28:53,580 --> 01:28:55,800
And there are so many of these T

2235
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,780
-Y-L-E something, something, something.

2236
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:59,480
Oh, goodness gracious.

2237
01:29:00,020 --> 01:29:01,760
Tons of, I'm just watching them roll by

2238
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,060
here.

2239
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,880
Well, I have a feeling that there'll be

2240
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,360
a race for the, for the slop key,

2241
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,540
because you see this and you just want

2242
01:29:10,540 --> 01:29:11,380
to hit the slop key.

2243
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:12,300
Like, oh, this is slop.

2244
01:29:12,380 --> 01:29:13,460
I just want, and by the way, I

2245
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:15,820
think there's a spam and there's slop.

2246
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,000
I think that's two different, well, you have

2247
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,200
a different doc.

2248
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:19,840
I agree.

2249
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,660
I agree.

2250
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,280
There's spam and then there's slop.

2251
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,940
So there's, there's also that, that, that file

2252
01:29:25,940 --> 01:29:28,200
in the repo for what, what is a

2253
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,100
high quality feed?

2254
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,880
Like, I think you need to define both.

2255
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:31,380
Yes.

2256
01:29:31,580 --> 01:29:32,640
What does a good feed look like?

2257
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:33,680
What does a bad feed look like?

2258
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:35,760
Exactly, Chad F.

2259
01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:37,140
It's the new toilet scroller.

2260
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:38,060
I'm so excited.

2261
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,780
You can run it on your phone.

2262
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,160
All right, brother.

2263
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:42,960
Thank you so much.

2264
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:43,700
This was a good one.

2265
01:29:44,140 --> 01:29:45,180
Great board meeting.

2266
01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:46,180
Boardroom.

2267
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:47,460
Thank you all very much for being here.

2268
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,660
Remember Oystein Berger kicks off in just a

2269
01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:52,680
few minutes with his mutton meat and music.

2270
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:53,900
We'll see you next week here for the

2271
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:54,400
board meeting.

2272
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,320
Take care, brother Dave.

2273
01:29:55,980 --> 01:29:57,180
See you, everybody.

2274
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:58,300
Bye-bye.

2275
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:17,460
You have been listening to Podcasting 2.0.

2276
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,160
Visit podcastindex.org for more information.

2277
01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:23,100
Go podcasting!

2278
01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:25,720
Don't copy that floppy.