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podcasting 2.0 for May 21 2021,
Episode Number 38 don't feed the

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monkeys.

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I know it's a gift. What can I
tell everybody? It's time for

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the Friday board meeting of
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Always fun to check in and have
a very busy schedule today. I'm

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Adam Curry in Austin, Texas and
then Alabama. proud father of

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two daughters in the sun. My
friend on the other end, Mr.

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Dave Jones.

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Yeah, my 19 year old daughter
just bought a motorcycle.

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This is what I mean. You're
proud daddy.

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What did you get? What did you
get? What kind of motors

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motorcycles you get? What power?
Is she got a Honda CB 300. Wow.

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Yeah.

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Trying not to be terrified.

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Yeah, you probably will never
get over that feeling. Oh,

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that's the that's the only thing
I had with my daughter. One

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agreement was kind of a twofer.
One is you can always call me if

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you need a ride and you know,
whatever the state is, whatever,

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you know, whatever country
whatever the issue is no

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questions asked. And the second
one never ever get on anything

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with less than four wheels.

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And she's literally has said to
people now. Oh, and also no hot

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air balloons. I told her that
too. I said those things are

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dangerous. That's Yes. You know,
land you control crashing that

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says Spoken like a true pilot.

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I've done a couple balloon fly.
I have respect for those guys,

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but it's not my type of
aviation. And she's kept to

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that. But man, the CB 300 that's
a serious bike. It's it's

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considered like a you know,
quote unquote, as, like a good

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learning bike. And I'm like,
it's more than learn. I mean,

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it's to me, like a 125 or
something. That's a learning

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bike. Yeah. That's like, is it
fourstroke? It must be

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fourstroke. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
It's like It's like a you know,

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crotch rocket looking thing.
Yeah. And I'm, yeah, I saw it.

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And I was like, had this split
brain because I'm kind of a

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motorcycle guy. On one end, you
go like, Hey, man, I'd love to

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spin that on the dirt track.
Yeah.

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And the other hand, you're
getting on what? Yep, exactly.

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The dad in me is like, Oh, my
God and the dude. And he's like,

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Man, that's cool. Yeah, I feel
you there brother. I feel you

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there you went. Was it
graduations this week, you had

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you had something going on with
the kids. Not really

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graduations, but it's just in
the school stuff.

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My kids go to a private school
here in the in the city, in my

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was where my wife teachers. And
so they have this thing every at

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the end of every school year.
And we're just like, it's just a

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big celebration, essentially. So
I'm still recovering from that

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on Wednesday. Oh, really. We
they have a big school. It's a

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small school. There's only like,
roughly 100 kids to go there. So

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they have this thing. They have
a huge game of capture the flag

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that they play with pretty much
the whole school and parents can

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do it and everything. And of
course, I just went you know,

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balls to the wall

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with a bunch of 18 and 19 year
olds Dave, is that you? Okay? So

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your body's hurting is what
you're telling me? Oh, I'm dying

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my legs. I mean, I get up the
next morning now with hobbling

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is funny because it's like me in
this other guy who's in his 40s

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you know, we we all we just went
all out against these. These

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teenagers. Were like he had a
busted up knee. He's bleeding

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and havlin I'm hobbling. You
know, we're like, Yeah, not

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young anymore. No, well, I bring
this up. Because sometimes

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people forget when they're, you
know, when it's so easy to talk

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about podcasting, and podcasts
and podcast apps and hosting

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companies forget that every
single one of these these

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entities is you know, there's
blood, sweat and tears in there

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from real human beings who have
families and jobs and other

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things to do. And so patience is
always is always nice. Yeah,

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totally 100% that's a good thing
to always remember is when

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there's people on the other side
of all this stuff.

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And so with that in mind, I'm
now going to rip some people to

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shreds. Yes, please proceed.

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Well, a couple things dawned on
me this past week, and I guess I

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just wasn't able and I'm gonna
try and put it into words today

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to explain what I see happening
and, and where things are going.

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So I checked out podcasting 1.0
you know, I went back in as you

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know, what's the what is uh,
what is the standard podcast?

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Doing what what are people up
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something that I think is very
podcasting 1.0

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Is the am B's, the Academy, the
podcast Academy Awards? I

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believe this was their first
annual award show. Did you put

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our where's our ambia? Did you
already do you put it on the

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mantel or Were you the one that
they shipped you in the mail

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window. I will say the statues
are that were the best thing

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about the whole awards. Status
quite pretty. statue is very

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pretty, pretty design.

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But I found this to be
incredibly sad. The whole thing

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was disheartening. First of all,
production wise, everyone's

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trying to be nice in the podcast
space. It was a piece of shit.

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It was two cameras. There was
not there was never one single

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close up that I don't think the
cameras were even operated

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reaction shot 14 people in a 30
by 30 soundstage.

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Let me stop you for say you
people need to understand that

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you are a media. I mean, you
spent your whole life in not

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just in media, but in
television. Yeah. So you I mean,

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you speak from 100% Oh, yeah,
knowledge of how this all works.

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Yes. And I've been a part of
award shows. And it was just it

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was very sad as a so called
streaming event or telecast and

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I don't even I don't think that

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the podcast Academy even
understands that the Los Angeles

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Times you wrote up a piece
before the event, it totally

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taking the piss out of the whole
thing. Like, Oh, well, perhaps

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the podcasters will save the
award shows.

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It's pretty pathetic.

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It's just the production. But
but really what I saw was big

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technology companies

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and their content. That's all
that it was. It was a full award

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show. Somehow we now have you
know, what you and I do now

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we've been

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demoted to indie, indie
podcasting is podcasting.

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There's no, there's no indies in
podcasting. So I reject that

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premise. But you know, based
upon that terminology, I didn't

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see any Indies. In fact, this
whole thing looked like a

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pathetic Star Search, all I
missed was Ed McMahon to come

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out and go.

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Because what has happened, and I
just want everyone to understand

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with podcasting, 1.0, not a
single person really cares about

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podcasting itself, the idea that
there's an independent way to

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create and broadcast and receive
whatever you want. Instead, this

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has turned into an industry of
people looking for ads, and

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acquisition, and every piece of
content, you have to understand

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Hollywood out of ideas, they've
been out of ideas for a long

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time, they're also out of the
job, because all of their movies

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are now being streamed the new
studios are Amazon, it is

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Netflix, and who's doing
podcasting, Amazon, not forget

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about an app or anything like
they don't give a shit about

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that. These guys are trolling
for talent. They want to get

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great concepts, own that
concept, own the talent, the

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writing talent in particular
behind it, and then turn that

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into streaming. I would say
video content is pretty much the

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main thing. So the people who
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based on or not all, but the
majority based on investor

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money.

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And the promise of either huge
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ad revenue, which I don't think
anyone believes that everyone's

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kind of there to be acquired by
Amazon or Netflix, or Google or

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Spotify. Or maybe there's some
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you can get. So what what is
happening there is it's just

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it's like, it's the farm team.
It's like, okay, now all dance

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monkey boys and girls dance and
do your little show. And whoever

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gets an award who you might get
an offer from Spotify, you might

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go to the Joe Rogan things. Oh,
you might be wondering mind

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bringing an exclusive. It's all
about hits. That's all that

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anyone and listen to the
podcasting news or read it. It's

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all about you know who, which
show went to which host. And,

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and oh, I know, this is
fantastic. They got this guy

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from Apple, and he's now working
at q code and they make top

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notch content. Sure, sure. But
it's not it's really just trying

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to get to some other level. And
no one's really focusing on

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podcasting. Does that make
sense? Oh, well, I think there's

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a bunch of stuff that confirms
that, like read this article

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will say this is from May 17.
Spotify wants to hire a

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Hollywood. This is the this is
the headline. Spotify wants to

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hire a Hollywood vet to oversee
its podcasting studios. Yeah,

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and Netflix. Netflix is hiring a
podcast, a manager of all

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podcasts, Netflix, you know
that, that I don't think many

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people be using

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Netflix app to listen to any
podcast. It's all about content

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acquisition for these guys. They
don't give a shit no one cares

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about about the actual Spotify,
because they kind of sold the

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the investment but based upon
people using their app for

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podcasts, but everyone else,
they just want the content and

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they out of ideas. Big tech
doesn't actually know how to be

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creative that way. Well, they're
like, I'm sorry, I can't show

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you. Like, a perfect example of
them being out of I have been

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big tech, being out of ideas is
the retread of Google Reader.

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This being baked into Chrome, as
you know, like they've announced

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that a couple of days ago, that
they're going to have a new

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Chrome is going to have a follow
button. And you can follow RSS

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feeds. Right in right in the
browser. Yeah. Okay. So when

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Lucy puts the football down, I
don't run up anymore to kick it.

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Yeah, exactly. No way. No way
that I want to talk. I want to

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talk about that separately. But
but on one thing, I think that

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fits in with what you're talking
about also is the and this is

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not this was not in the
podcasting news, but is the at&t

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discovery deal.

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that. That whole thing just
proves that media is a train

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wreck right now. Big, big media.

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There's no pathway to any sort
of, like these things aren't

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profitable anymore. It doesn't
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like I'm in the way that used to
be, if anybody because so as you

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know, at&t is having to
basically unwind all this stuff

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that they spent all this money
on, you know, over the last was

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over 10 years. And then what
happens if you go back? What's

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interesting is I was I was
listening to some breakdown of

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this. And they were talking
about they said at the time,

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when the at&t Time Warner deal
first first originated, it got

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so much pushback from the
Federal Trade Commission,

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because they were they were all
concerned about it being

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monopolist having the content
and the pipes, which is the

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dream, the dream of which they
failed that consistently. Yeah.

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And it's not just I think the
lesson is, it's not just a T and

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T's mismanagement that couldn't
pull it off. It's not if there's

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something inherent in media that
does not jive with tech. I don't

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understand fully what the what,
what that means. But I don't

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think they're, I think it's an
unnatural partnership, that is

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never going to fully work.

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Maybe Netflix is the one that
has gotten closest to it. But

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they're only successful, they're
really only successful shows, or

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when they just sort of wrote a
check and let the media guys

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just do whatever they really
wanted to do. Right? The tech

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trying to come in and manage it
and make it more like efficient

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and all these kinds of like,
that is just not I just don't I

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think it's a marriage made in
hell. And any attempt to for big

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tech to take over media in some
way, is just destined to fail.

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Well, that well, they're
changing media. I would argue

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that the most successful form of
media content is Tick Tock.

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From now, that all depends on
how you define success.

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The problem I have is all I hear
is everybody looking at talking

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about big tech when it comes to
podcasting. And it's so

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disheartening.

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And here's the thing, there's a
lot of interest and a lot of

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yearning for something new
witness clubhouse. Oh my god,

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every everyone's jizzing all
over clubhouse, and then all of

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a sudden, guess what? Yeah,
clubhouse doesn't no one cares.

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Sucks. flash in the pan is gone.
Of course. I think we said this

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from day one. This is not going
to last. But if you would listen

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to everyone talk. Oh, yeah,
we're gonna link into clubhouse

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clubhouse. That's where it's at.
It's the future of podcasting.

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No, it's not. And that's kind of
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threatened by any of these
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academies and diversity and
equity and boards of governors.

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That's fantastic. I have no
problem whatsoever.

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But we have a responsibility to
keep this part of it alive and

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going and not be something that
Google resurrects 15 years from

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now and says Oh, yeah, remember
this shit.

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And, and I think that there's a
big reckoning coming a big

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reckoning.

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Maybe I just see these things in
a broader picture. But they're

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coming for your lunch. Okay? if
you're if you're if you're

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basing your your, your business
on being a part of Spotify, and

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then getting some ads somewhere

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You're crazy. It is it is.

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The whole advertising business
of podcasting is built on a lie.

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It's a lie. We are not selling
people listening, you're selling

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downloads. And in fact, where is
the outrage over Apple's broken

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podcast app? It's not there. Oh,
sure. There's a couple people

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posting. There's some news
articles about it. But there's

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no outrage. Shall I tell you why
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because people have already
moved to different ways of

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listening to podcasts, and the
subscription just sitting in the

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background downloading on their
on their Apple App, and they're

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not opening it anymore, because
it doesn't update on time. And

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no, look, no one complained
about I got maybe

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maybe four complaints total
since they switched. And since

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the no agenda show doesn't
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sometimes within a day, within a
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four complaints. That tells me
people are not using it. And

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only four out of me, you'll have
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newsflash, newsflash, everybody
knows we fast forward through

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the ads. It's not like a secret.
The whole thing is flimsy built

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on, on analyze. And so if no one
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not and I'm not saying that
people aren't, and especially in

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the hosting business, there's a
couple of really strong players

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who are really working very hard
to preserve what we have, and

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make sure that people still know
that they can get an app I don't

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hear podcasters saying, Hey, why
don't you try out a new app? So

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get us on Apple, Spotify,
wherever you get your podcast

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from? It's time to mention some
names people, because you're

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just gonna get swallowed up into
nothingness. Good. Talk to the

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to the documentary, guys. They
can't get on anymore. Right now.

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Oh, it's free and open. Yeah,
everything will be allowed on

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Apple. And believe me, coming
soon. newsflash. You're not

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going to be you're going to be
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And, and we need we need this
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I'm preaching to the choir. And
this is and we have, you know,

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more than a dozen apps that are
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completely free of this crazy

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infrastructure that is
collapsing in on itself into

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just a bucket of drivel. Yeah,
the the podcast press is the

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Gosh, Dave's the endless
Spotify, apple, Spotify. Apple

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is just like, it's beginning to
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bonkers. I'm so I'm so tired of
Spotify and apple in it. You

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know, I mean, I get it. They're
two big players and the past the

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past that has given to Apple is
unbelievable.

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Well, I'm sure they'll get it
all fixed this month. Oh, well,

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that's just Apple, they just
don't communicate. It is no

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outrage. If we screwed up the
index that bad we would have

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been written off after five
minutes, and never never talked

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about again.

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But somehow they just keep going
on and go in and go in and

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everybody's okay with it.

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If you want a glimpse,

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I brought some clips.

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In this, if you want a glimpse
into what sort of big media, the

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big media future of podcasting
would be.

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You can look at armchair
experts, which is the latest you

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know, of course, we have to have
a podcast that goes exclusive.

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Yeah, you have to mock them. So
they're going they're going

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exclusive under the Spotify. No,
it's no longer a podcast. It's

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just a it's a property. Yes,
this Spotify property, okay.

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Yeah, they are good. They are
going going to go exclusive. And

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this is Derek shepherd. He's
like an actor. I've never Oh,

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yes, yes, yes. I did hear about
this deal. Okay.

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Let's see. Wait, what are we
okay yeah, do for the first one

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just says armchair experts. So
I've been cleaning my favorite

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COVID activity. I've been
cleaning. Oh, what rooms Did you

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tackle? Oh my gosh, I've been
working my way up from the

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basement. I'm now in the attic.
Oh my goodness. So rarely soup

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to nuts making lots of progress.
Are you doing a Michelle Kondo

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approach is that her name is
Marie Kondo. Marie Kondo Are you

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like putting things out and
seeing like, I love you or I

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don't love you? That whole
thing? Wow, he's wacky. It's

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just a grad shop. Very wacky.
That that's, that's your that's

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your feature of big media
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We're super clean. Nothing
offensive. Everybody's on their

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best behavior. Yeah, everybody's
gonna just barf all over each

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other. It's like top 40 radio.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If that's what

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if that's what you want from if
that's what we want podcasting

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to be, then just just turn it
over. Let's just turn it all

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over to the wondery. And I mean,
and all these big companies that

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want to go exclusive and do
exclusive deals, and parcast and

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all these things. That's that's
what you're gonna get. You're

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getting. Here's a better
example. Play armchair experts

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barf one, you have the most
arresting blue eyes. They're so

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fucking beautiful. When I was
watching the Hulu thing. I've

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got a really nice television. So
I was getting it in 4k. And

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they're so unbelievably
beautiful. You have the most

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beautiful eyes sparkling Monica,
would you agree with this

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assessment? Yes. Yeah. That is
hilarious. Clinton. Oh,

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okay. There's something to be
said for that.

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I appreciate that. He did that.
But you know, you could have

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said, Why? Why do I see nothing
when I look in your eyes

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as just like, the whole this is
the this is what you get with

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media, you get self importance.
Yeah. And, and dribbling all

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over each other. That's what it
is. That's what award shows are.

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They're all just a band, bunch
of people congratulating each

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other for how great they are.
And I mean, that's, that's what

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you're gonna get, it's highly
produced, it's slick. And then

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you lose all of the beauty of
what makes raw community driven

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audio, what it's like what it
what it is. And unlike you, I

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think the wrongness and the the
unpolished of what podcasting is

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and has always been, is one of
the reasons why it it is what it

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is today. It's not the the
highly produced stuff that that

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has always been available. It's
the this is the other side of

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that. And they're trying to just
sort of wet wedge, the new tech,

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this market is sort of like a
wedge a bunch of production

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value into it and turned it into
just like this extra few billion

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dollars that they can just tack
on to it. Everybody wants to

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wants to be acquired. I mean,
that's, that's the bottom line.

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That's that's what the hits
business is about. It's no

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different than the record
business, any of these big. In

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fact,

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Spotify knows exactly how this
works. And you know, you have

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your gimlets and stuff like
that. And they're they're kind

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of the indie indie labels, and
they get bought up and then

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those owners make out like
bandits. And, you know, just

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just just look at who's at the
top of Apple, you know, how do

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those guys get there, Jimmy
Iovine and Dr. Dre.

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And then and then you just you
have 100 things that you

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eventually just drop or pay no
attention to? they dry up they

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go Trust me. I ran a podcast
network. I raised a lot of money

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to do it. I thought it would
work. And I noticed Oh, wait a

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minute, we're never gonna get
brand advertisers ever. We have

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no measurement system you can ay
ay ay b me is all as often as

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you want. But it's downloads.
It's a farce. It's fake. It's a

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lie. And it's an agreed to lie
still alive. You have no idea

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who's listening, it's probably a
lot less than everybody then

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then people think. I think
you're right about the app, the

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apple just downloading stuff in
the background, mom's doing it.

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My at least three old phones
that whenever they flip on they

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do that? Absolutely. Yeah, I
know.

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I get the push notification,
saying, Oh, you've got like six

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new episodes of this. And I
always just flick it away. And

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it's been doing that for months
and months. And only and it's

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funny thing about is that only
use the apple podcast app to

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test, like download user agent
stuff a couple of months ago,

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and ever since then, it's just
been like downloading,

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downloading episodes. And desert
registering as downloads from

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some for some show that I've
never I've never even touched.

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You know, the the analogy for
me, and it's particularly the

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press, and I understand, you
know, it's trade press and trade

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press, the way it works in case
people don't know, is you go to

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all the players in the industry
and you say sponsor me, and then

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you report on everybody. And if
it Now that doesn't mean that

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there's no actual reporting
about non paying, non paying

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entities but, you know,
obviously, the press releases

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are being turned into news and
that's just what it is. It's um

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you know,

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but it doesn't really mean that
people are are getting any

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any real value or benefit from
that other than here's what it's

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like TMZ

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You know, that's what I'm
hearing from from just all these

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parties are about Oh, oh great
new these guys and they merged

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with those guys and they're
creating a new talent house.

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Well, sure, that's fine, but
you're talking about new

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shows for big tech, you're not
talking about podcasting. And

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there's so much and by its very
nature, podcasting isn't really

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reportable story.

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But you know because

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what's great for one person is
not going to work for another

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that's the beauty of it. But we
really do need to focus I give

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some of these other apps I'm
love people highlight one once

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in a while do an interview.
That's why I appreciate her gene

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so much. He interviewed
everybody everyone that's doing

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something on the hosting side on
the app side. And on the Bitcoin

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side, in in what are what are
app developers get shit. The

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only passed over? The only
interview with Roy from breeze

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that I've heard is on

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is from the podcasting world. I
mean, is from sir Jean. Yep,

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that's, that's it, Nova II. This
is a brand new podcast app that

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allows it allows

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micro payments in
cryptocurrency. And nobody's

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interviewed in now, because
everyone's afraid. And they

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don't want to step on toes and
they want us to snuggle up to

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the big boys so they can get
their inside scoops and not be,

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you know, not be perceived as
too radical. I know how it

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works. And I don't I don't blame
anybody, but I do need to say

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it. Well, yeah, I need to say
it. But what what did it sound

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like that? I'm sorry. That's,
that's the Twitter guy. That's a

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lot of guy. No, no, that's
that's a different guy. Okay,

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Twitter, guys, different

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pillars, don't worry, he's
coming.

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He's late, he's lurking in your
basement. So you know, and I'm

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not even talking about the value
for value stuff. Which, you

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know, is, is a way forward to
keep everybody involved. And,

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and in the in the value flow.
You know, and I know that these

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things take a while for sure.
And there's still a lot of

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hurdles and stumbling blocks.
And I'm so proud of,

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you know, pod friend and breeze
and Sphinx and pod station and

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Curio caster and pod verse and
everyone who's taken some step

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and put that stuff in and said,
fuck it, you know, man, just try

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and do something here. And it's
ugly, and it's it doesn't work.

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Right. And, you know, it's hard
to set up. Let's put it that

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way. It's definitely it's, but
you know, that's, that's how

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podcasting started the first
time we didn't learn all that we

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didn't know what to how to
design, by Oh, and here's how it

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will work. Now we learned all
these things on the fly. And I'm

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so proud of that. I'm just
really frustrated that I'm not

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getting any press.

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At least not pressed that I'm
seeing about any of the apps,

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any of the hosting companies,
any of the forward looking

437
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things they're doing. You know,
none of it. And that's just so

438
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,720
disappointing. Now, we don't
need the press, but I'm just I'm

439
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,730
just saying you guys are going
to be shit out of luck.

440
00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:01,620
One day, you come in here, Hey,
can we get a story like now you

441
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:02,520
weren't there for us?

442
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:05,910
That's a real Hollywood thing to
do.

443
00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:08,640
Big I'm big fan of your work.

444
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:14,610
Love Your Work, man. salutely.
Love Your Work. And I would say

445
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:18,600
that also, your cat things like
I read the story about cat, your

446
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,590
casteau cast O's are cast as
bought and bought, potent. The

447
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:24,750
host is basically one host
bought another host.

448
00:28:25,890 --> 00:28:28,680
And the thing that I thought of
immediately with that, because I

449
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,540
just read the at&t Time Warner
discovery thing is you have to

450
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:37,260
be very careful when it comes to
mergers and acquisitions. I

451
00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:39,690
mean, that's across the board,
not just in podcasting, not just

452
00:28:39,690 --> 00:28:42,660
in media, mergers and
acquisitions are not a thing

453
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:48,990
that just works out. You can
just you can see a long line of

454
00:28:48,990 --> 00:28:52,680
companies that have looked
fantastic on paper for Merck for

455
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,190
a merger, and it's been a
complete failure. Oh, yeah.

456
00:28:56,190 --> 00:29:00,510
Well, yeah, he is way more often
than he succeeds. And Yahoo was

457
00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:03,840
basically the Whore of the media
business has been bought and

458
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,710
sold so many times. And now it's
lumped in with a whole bunch of

459
00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:10,800
other crap your 5 billion Take
it or leave it. I guess I'm just

460
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:13,440
I'm just warning, you know, sort
of the podcast industry as a

461
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320
whole that, you know, if you
think your exit strategy is just

462
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,530
to find the right merger, I
mean, yeah, maybe maybe the

463
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:22,860
founder gets gets out with some
cash. But as far as like the

464
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:25,770
health of the industry, or the
health of even the resulting

465
00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:29,070
companies that come out of that,
you know, the stats are clear,

466
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:34,860
mergers, fail more often than
they succeed. And that that goes

467
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,230
across all industries. So if
you're trying, you're trying to

468
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:42,870
form a healthier company, by
through mergers, and that's not

469
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,870
always the best strategy. And
the same goes

470
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,330
there will be a

471
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,480
you know the hunger Winter is
coming.

472
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:56,010
And and here's how it plays out
all these content are winter.

473
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,980
Yeah. All the all these

474
00:30:00,989 --> 00:30:05,549
All these content companies, if
they don't produce enough hits,

475
00:30:05,609 --> 00:30:09,449
the funding will stop everyone
goes home. That's just that's

476
00:30:09,449 --> 00:30:12,179
just how it's going to go. The

477
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:17,970
really sweet raisins will be
picked right out of the oatmeal.

478
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:22,440
And if you're not one of them,
you're done. And, and I've seen

479
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,020
this movie, this is this is how
it's the thinking it's how it

480
00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:28,440
works. I did this, I was a part
of it, so I can warn for it.

481
00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:33,600
But the thing with with
podcasting, podcasting 2.0 is

482
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,780
that we don't really need press,
this is the beauty of it, we

483
00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:37,500
don't need

484
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,970
and we're not going to get it
anyway. So what we need is for

485
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:48,270
podcasters to tell their
audience, their listeners to go

486
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:52,770
check out some new podcast apps.
And you know, gee, maybe try one

487
00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:55,380
or two years yourself. And then
you can say, Hey, here's

488
00:30:55,380 --> 00:31:00,000
something you might want to try.
Because it will keep this show

489
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,230
on the air, your show, insert
your show name here. It cannot

490
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:08,790
it cannot be taken down. And it
has a lot of extra features. And

491
00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:14,640
it is a true independent nature
distributed decentralized a

492
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,450
podcasting.

493
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:20,790
And you need to ask your
listeners to go and try some

494
00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:25,680
out. Also hosting companies,
please consider promoting some

495
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,880
podcasts that are not Apple,
Spotify, you know, Amazon,

496
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,340
Google, etc. When the apps to
like, but I want the host I want

497
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:39,180
the hosting companies to promote
the apps. Yeah, in the in there

498
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:42,360
like most hosting companies have
newsletters and stuff they put

499
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,550
out on a regular basis,
featuring a new, it doesn't even

500
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:52,050
have to be a part of a value for
value type app. Just some other

501
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:56,520
in independent app is not not
owned by the big does exist your

502
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,500
downcast you know overcast pod
friend. I mean, any of the you

503
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:07,440
know, cast, Curio cast or any of
the the the apps pod versus a

504
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,120
fantastic app, like some,

505
00:32:10,290 --> 00:32:13,890
like promote some of these
independent apps. And that way

506
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,850
it Yeah, I think the holsters
needed to promote that as well.

507
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:21,930
Absolutely. Because that that
that shores up their business,

508
00:32:22,050 --> 00:32:26,730
but what I hear some hosting
companies doing is just sitting

509
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:31,500
back, like, Oh, yeah, I'm
selling some ads. I update the

510
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,350
Spotify feed. You know, it's all
separate. By the way. It's all

511
00:32:34,350 --> 00:32:37,800
backroom deals. He said,
conspiratorially.

512
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,940
Yeah, you are? Yeah, there's
some kind of deal of Spotify

513
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:47,370
removes a you have to remove I'm
not quite sure how it works. But

514
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:49,740
there's, there's, there's all
kinds of stuff in the works,

515
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:54,930
which is fine. But please,
promote save yourself. Because

516
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,850
what I saw was a couple days ago
with an bees does not bode well

517
00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:03,480
for anybody. If that's the path
you want to follow. I'm out I'm

518
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,000
stick I'm just gonna stay over
here. And we'll just keep on

519
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,230
plugging away. Keep on plugging
away. And part of what we're

520
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:11,100
doing to,

521
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:14,910
to really make it that much
better. I mean, we have to live

522
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:19,350
up to the 2.0. Name is is pod
ping, which I think is now in

523
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:24,300
full blown full production. It's
a fantastic story, because it

524
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,210
uses the hive blockchain in a in
a very,

525
00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:32,400
I think a manner that was never
really thought of for for

526
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:40,350
blockchain usage. And it's
working like crazy. Yeah. It's

527
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:43,950
now we need to get adoption, I
guess, where are we at with that

528
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:47,370
just just to explain, very
simply,

529
00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:49,620
instead of

530
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:54,960
a whole bunch of servers and
applications and companies

531
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:59,760
getting RSS feeds with high
regularity. And not always doing

532
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,740
it nicely, sometimes doing more
than just a header request.

533
00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:10,380
It's just incredible. It's
actually it's it's killing the

534
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,950
climate. It's it's really
creating global warming, the

535
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:18,060
amount of of crawlers that are
out there, pulling RSS feeds.

536
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:23,760
And then also, it's complicated.
And this is part of the problem

537
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,660
that popped up with Apple's
changes. They switch their

538
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:31,050
system. And so now it can take
quite a while before your

539
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,710
podcast feed is updated. And we
decided to change that with at

540
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:38,400
least the hosting companies that
were interested in. I think we

541
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,600
have a couple of the big ones on
board. So they are now in

542
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,560
essence any podcasting 2.0 app
will update, probably within a

543
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,310
10 second window of that show
being uploaded. Is that about

544
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:53,220
right? It's a little it's a
little bit longer than that. Oh,

545
00:34:54,030 --> 00:34:59,430
yeah. It's about 40 seconds.
Okay. So, um, yes, I think well,

546
00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:59,970
what

547
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,230
have been missing is, or what we
have been missing is just sort

548
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:10,140
of a succinct explanations be of
soup to nuts of how, of just the

549
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,510
gist of what this thing is
because you know, something

550
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:16,260
sound by double, so to speak.
And so I'm going to, I'm going

551
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:19,440
to do that or attempt to do
that, and

552
00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,070
what pod ping is,

553
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:27,630
and I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna
leave that all the web sub, all

554
00:35:27,630 --> 00:35:32,670
that I'm gonna leave that all
that talk, okay, pod pain is a

555
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,680
marriage of two pieces of
software. It's a web front end

556
00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:42,090
that accepts GET requests with a
URL parameter with the feet,

557
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:47,610
where that's where you're gonna
put the Feed URL and a script

558
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,460
that writes to the hub and
writes those URLs to the hive

559
00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:51,120
blockchain.

560
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,650
The web front end accepts the
URLs from the host.

561
00:35:57,210 --> 00:36:00,990
And it passes them to the to the
hive writer script, which writes

562
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:03,660
them to the hive blockchain. At
that point, anybody can be

563
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:07,620
looking at the hive blockchain
to get these updates. Yes. And

564
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:11,790
so that that is, in a sense,
there's a downloadable package

565
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:14,790
where you can run your own pod
paying node, a full node, just

566
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:19,200
like we run. Oh, sexy. Yeah,
yeah, anybody can run this. But

567
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:24,840
I mean, it's not super useful to
you at this point. So the

568
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,830
confusion a little bit come to
comes in. In this we saw this

569
00:36:29,010 --> 00:36:33,000
sort of bemrose was on the
mastodon asking about it,

570
00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:38,130
is he said, Well, this is just
this sounds like just another

571
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,760
way to you know, another
centralized system. Because

572
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:45,420
where the hosting companies are
now sending their pings are is

573
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:53,130
to pod pain, cloud, that's the
URL. And as of right now, yes,

574
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,690
it is. Everything goes to one
central place. Now, it's not one

575
00:36:57,690 --> 00:37:02,040
server. Currently, there are
three servers, all load

576
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,260
balanced. There's one in the
United States in Atlanta.

577
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:07,200
There's one in Frankfurt,
Germany for Europe. And there's

578
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,920
one in Sydney, Australia. Oh,
Frankfurt one. Is that next to

579
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,590
the Dominion? voting voting
machine.

580
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:17,910
Okay, yeah, that's how you
choose the next president as you

581
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:19,590
listen to a podcast.

582
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:26,670
So the there's they're spread
out all over the globe, and

583
00:37:26,670 --> 00:37:28,800
they're load balanced
geographically. So that, you

584
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,860
know, if you're painting from
one place you get to the closest

585
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:38,850
server. So not technically
centralized, but I still get

586
00:37:38,850 --> 00:37:43,530
done. I get the vibe, okay. But
anybody can tie into the

587
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:46,470
blockchain isn't isn't you know,
it's no secret. You can, you can

588
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,760
just start scanning for those
feeds. And you're good to go.

589
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,610
You just you can update which
and so that's highly

590
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:57,810
decentralized. Yeah, as an apple
could use this at any moment

591
00:37:57,810 --> 00:38:01,230
whenever they want to. They can
use it right now. Yeah, we are

592
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:03,900
using it right now. So that the
thing that we did this morning

593
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:12,510
is I turned off polling for
buzzsprout and RSS Comm.

594
00:38:14,430 --> 00:38:16,860
They're all in there updating is
full time. That's that's like

595
00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:18,660
the two biggest guys out there
is not

596
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:22,950
yet so RSS. Albert Alberto.

597
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:29,700
You know who he's he's famous
for writing the paper on,

598
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:34,440
essentially, the academic paper
on sex robots. We interviewed

599
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,910
him on the show. Yes. He is
evidently trying to get as he's

600
00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:40,500
trying to make the front page of
Drudge Report.

601
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:45,780
Robots are coming. Now he that
he

602
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,060
he mailed and said, He's like,
we got it up and running. We're

603
00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:54,060
pinging y'all. So they were the
first company to start sending

604
00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:59,220
pings to piping. And it just
started flowing. Beautiful. look

605
00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:02,970
great. Tom Ross, he hit me up,
you know, a little while later

606
00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:06,180
said, Hey, are you ready for us
to start sending? I said, Yeah,

607
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:10,710
go ahead. He started sending. So
now we got RSS calm, and

608
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:13,500
buzzsprout, both sending every
time somebody on one of their

609
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,100
platforms, publishes a new
episode or changes the feed the

610
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,410
info in their feed, it sends a
it sends a ping to the piping

611
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,840
cloud says eautiful. And so from
the moment that they ping us,

612
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,110
to the time when we get that new
episode into our database, and

613
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:38,100
it shows up on the site and to
all of our apps is about 40

614
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:39,750
seconds, on average.

615
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:48,330
That means and so the the chain
is like this RSS com. Since

616
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:50,280
paying with the URL,

617
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:58,080
the URL gets put into a into a
queue on our side. After fifth

618
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,970
every 15 seconds. The queue is

619
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,600
dumped to the right to the hive
writer script, which writes

620
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,120
those attempts, which queues
them itself for a few seconds to

621
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,570
save up enough to try to get a
bunch of URLs in the same block,

622
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:22,200
right? It then writes all those
URLs to the current block. Then

623
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:27,870
at that point, it's on the
chain. So that process can take

624
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:33,180
20 to 25 seconds, outrage,
typically, total total effort.

625
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,530
The so that, at that point,

626
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:43,620
you everybody out there, who is
running the hive, watch your

627
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:47,820
script, you can go to, you can
go our, if you look at our

628
00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:50,820
podcast index organization on
GitHub, you'll see the pod pink

629
00:40:50,850 --> 00:40:53,760
cloud repo and all this code is
in there. It's all open source.

630
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:58,860
You anybody who's running the
hive watcher script. And you can

631
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,060
do this right now you can go
download the clone the repo, and

632
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:08,130
then run the simple dash watcher
dot p y script is a Python

633
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:11,850
script, the instructions on how
to do it are on the repo README,

634
00:41:12,210 --> 00:41:16,500
run that script. And what you'll
start seeing is just a constant

635
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:20,910
firehose of feed URLs, printing
one line at a time across your

636
00:41:20,910 --> 00:41:21,390
screen.

637
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,220
So as soon as those URLs are
written to the hive blockchain,

638
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,210
everybody in the world is this
running hive watcher script.

639
00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:37,410
will see those pop up on their
screen as it's reading from the

640
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:40,590
most current block of the
blockchain. Yeah, it's super

641
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:45,750
sexy, man. I'm gonna put this,
put a link to the GitHub. Okay,

642
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:49,770
yeah, in the show notes for
this. Yeah. So what we what I

643
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:53,370
did on my side, but took, I've
just taken the simple watcher

644
00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:58,410
script, and piped it, it's this
is literally just a screen

645
00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:03,300
session right now on on one of
our utility servers, taking just

646
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:09,330
one simple watcher pipe into a
simple PHP script that just

647
00:42:09,330 --> 00:42:14,460
looks for a URL to show up in
the pipe, and marks it in the

648
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:17,700
database for immediate for
immediate polling. So for the

649
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:23,850
team at Apple, that is the pod
ping GitHub repo, it's in the

650
00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:30,390
show notes. You can use the
watcher, it will save you a lot

651
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:32,340
of pain. Yes.

652
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,470
You can, you can stop, you can
stop polling buzzsprout and RSS

653
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:41,910
calm today, right now, as we
speak, yet, we already did it

654
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:45,000
and it's working great. I mean,
you know, and we no longer pull

655
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,500
them. And that would that would
save so much hassle and, and

656
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:55,050
pain and and money, quite
frankly. and kept captivate I

657
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:58,710
heard from Kiran. And he emailed
me and said, Yeah, we're all on

658
00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:03,870
board with this. And so he I
sent him a posting key, an

659
00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:06,900
authorization token. And so
he'll he said within the next

660
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:09,450
couple of days, he's going to
have that into their system. And

661
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:13,230
then we'll we'll start pulling
them to everybody who wants any

662
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:17,700
hosting company who wants to get
on board with this. Just email

663
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:20,190
me, I'll send you an
authorization token. This is all

664
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:24,630
still technically in beta. But
it's completely stable so far. I

665
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,430
mean, we've seen very, very few
quirks with this thing. And I

666
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:32,310
just I just love watching the

667
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:39,270
pod ping God watch. Yeah, that's
a cool, cool app. Yeah. Oh, my

668
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:43,320
God, it's just you just sit
there all day? Yeah. Oh, look at

669
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,530
this. And I Oh, let me push into
that one. And I will say that

670
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:48,840
there's a lot of disappointment
often when you click on some

671
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,080
things.

672
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:58,320
But often, it's so surprising,
you know, and that's just what

673
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,150
it is. in use, it's a great way
to fund new feeds like CRISPR I

674
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:06,270
seen it, he was like, yeah,
there's a bunch of these feeds

675
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:09,810
that are not in the index. And
he's so he of course, like he

676
00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,630
always he immediately just
starts grabbing, he starts fish,

677
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:15,390
netting those things and feeding
them back into the index. So the

678
00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:17,670
word cat, you know, capturing
things that we didn't we didn't

679
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:21,900
have before. But anyway, that's
that's the that's the whole

680
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,700
system front to back. Now, if
you're independent, how do you

681
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:30,420
participate in this? Can you can
you review request

682
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:36,360
access to to post your ping to
ping your post?

683
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:40,950
Okay, to post your ping to pod
the.

684
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,620
So that's the second part of
this. That's the part that damn

685
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:49,200
Rose was misunderstand or not,
excuse me, he's not

686
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,080
misunderstanding, it just has
not been expressed properly.

687
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,290
So, the beginning of this is,
obviously there's no there's an

688
00:44:58,290 --> 00:44:59,970
alpha stage and then a beta
stage.

689
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,760
Where we try to make sure
everything is stable and works

690
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:08,490
in in order, I think that at the
end of this thing, we're going

691
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:10,920
to end up with a hybrid
approach. So there's going to

692
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,260
be, there's going to be popping
cloud. And to send request to

693
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:19,770
pod bean cloud, you need an
authorization header that you

694
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:24,210
can include in your GET request
for that, and and for that, you

695
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:27,090
just need you need to email me,
I'll send you one, it takes two

696
00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:27,630
seconds.

697
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:32,250
They should put you there, you
should put that in the docs.

698
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:33,810
Yeah, I will, I will.

699
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:38,760
And the other part is going is

700
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:43,200
for independent host people that
run their own cell phones, yes,

701
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,500
because I soon will be a cast
apob user, so I'm fully

702
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:48,780
expecting to be able to ping
from there.

703
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,400
So that is, what you need for
that is not the full pod pain

704
00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:01,110
cloud software. Ah, what you
need is just the hive writer

705
00:46:01,110 --> 00:46:05,520
script, you just need the script
that writes something to write a

706
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,960
URL to the hive blockchain in
the proper format. The trick,

707
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,370
though, is you need a set of
hive posting keys, you need an

708
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:18,330
all you need an account within
the hive system, or excuse me a

709
00:46:18,330 --> 00:46:21,420
set of a set of keys. That right
there.

710
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:27,180
So why why why wouldn't cast a
pod just hit the hit the URL,

711
00:46:27,780 --> 00:46:32,490
like the hosting companies are?
Well, because they every every

712
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:36,090
step, every app would need their
own authorization. Right? Right.

713
00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:39,570
Right. I understand. Okay. Yeah.
And it's much more fit at that

714
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:42,630
point. And then it's easier for
them to just put that in there.

715
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:45,840
And with some instructions on
how to get your, your key and

716
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,240
your, your high your hive
treats, or

717
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,780
whatever, whatever things you
need over there, which

718
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:54,600
apparently is not all that hard.
It's just I haven't looked at

719
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,190
it. And the see the end that
solves the decentralization

720
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:03,090
part. So when everybody
themselves are writing to the

721
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:06,630
hive blockchain, then you're
truly decentralized. Yes,

722
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:10,290
piping, cloud will still exist
for you know, big hosting

723
00:47:10,290 --> 00:47:13,200
companies and this kind of
thing. But when other when

724
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,790
everybody themselves are writing
to to the hive chain, then then

725
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:20,310
you'd have a truly decentralized
system. And that's the way this

726
00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:23,520
thing eventually evolves into
being decentralized. We just,

727
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,490
it's just too much trouble right
now to figure all that out. That

728
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,600
that will be step two, down down
the line. And I want people to

729
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,420
actually start playing around
with him figure it out now, like

730
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:38,220
Andy layman, he's, you know,
he's, he said he, you know, is

731
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:41,250
gonna look into it, he may end
up coding up something, I think

732
00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:46,620
it's gonna, I think it would be
very simple to do. And the so

733
00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:47,910
the tricky part is,

734
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,200
in order to have some sense of,

735
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,200
I don't know what you would call
it authority, or trust adness.

736
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:06,240
On the chain, then the hive
watcher script,

737
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:10,020
begins to what it expects

738
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:17,100
is for everything to be coming
from our account. So our account

739
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,000
is the one that is posting,
right, all of these URLs. Right,

740
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,020
right, right. So the hive
watcher, the watcher script on

741
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:28,680
that everybody's runs on their
machine expects all these URLs

742
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:35,760
to be coming from either that
account, or accounts that we

743
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,640
have delegated to as authorized.

744
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:47,310
So let's just say that bemrose,
or Andy wants to post directly

745
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:50,430
to the hive blockchain from
their WordPress installs or

746
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:52,500
whatever, I'm not sure what what
bemrose is running,

747
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,650
they would need to have posting
key.

748
00:48:56,730 --> 00:49:02,130
And we would need to milk soda,
so called bless, we would need

749
00:49:02,130 --> 00:49:06,330
to bless their key. And but by
following it, what they call

750
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:11,040
following on high, once we
follow that key, that account,

751
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:13,980
then it's good to go. Then the
hive watcher script begins to

752
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:18,810
include all the URLs they post
in the output. And it's just an

753
00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:23,970
anti spam mechanism is right.
Right, right. So that's, that's

754
00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:27,600
how that will work. And so what
we need is we need a way, we

755
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:33,030
will need some way to figure out
how to, like, bless this. And

756
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,090
Alice gates wrote a really good
article. I don't know if you

757
00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:39,420
read it, Yes, I did. Another
thing I need to put a link to.

758
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:48,540
And he goes in depth about how
this sort of rapid block rapid

759
00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:54,030
blockchain technology is going
to help things in many different

760
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:59,910
ways. One of the things he
touches on is it you know, that

761
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,329
That you can go ahead and post
to the chain.

762
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:10,830
Even if you are not kind of
blessed by us, you can, you can

763
00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:13,590
just do it you can you can get
some high posting keys and start

764
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:17,970
writing to the hive blockchain,
your own custom URL custom JSON

765
00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:21,870
blobs with these URLs in the
hive watcher script out of the

766
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:24,930
box is not initially going to
see those, it's going to ignore

767
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:33,180
them. But other software can be
born or other people can just

768
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,290
begin to watch broader things
that they trust. But it doesn't

769
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,400
all depend on us. Right? You
know, it this is this is a

770
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:47,550
decentralized thing. And with
decentralization comes sort of a

771
00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:48,930
slow motion.

772
00:50:50,310 --> 00:50:54,330
decentralizing thing is it
things is, is a slow motion

773
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:00,150
process, this kind of this sort
of friction based, like you

774
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:03,840
people, you have to figure out
the best ways that these things

775
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,980
work, you don't have the benefit
of having somebody come in and

776
00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:10,860
just tell you from the very
beginning, this is the way all

777
00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:15,420
this systems gonna work done.
That's not how open source and

778
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:20,940
freedom works. freedom works
through a process of discovery

779
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:24,480
and exploration. But also
freedom always requires a little

780
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,710
extra effort. Yes, exactly.
Yeah. The Alex gates

781
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:34,140
article is called podcasting 2.0
the last mile, and it's linked

782
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:37,530
in the show notes. It's a very
good read. Very good read. And

783
00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:41,460
I'd like to challenge both
blueberry and Lipson. I was

784
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:45,990
listening to the new media show
this morning. And they were for

785
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:51,270
lack of a better word bitching
about apples polling, and how

786
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:53,640
many times it's hitting the
server or not, or how

787
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,510
ineffective it is. And they both
literally said, Oh, if only

788
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:59,850
there were a way we could just
ping you Apple, and then you

789
00:51:59,850 --> 00:52:01,560
know about it? Well,

790
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,160
unless they consider podcasting
2.0 and the more than 10 apps

791
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:14,520
that are currently using these
protocols, if you think that

792
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,370
they're lesser than Apple, then
for sure, you know, let us just

793
00:52:17,370 --> 00:52:20,790
continue to pull you or why
don't you ping us? It's very

794
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:24,390
simple. You can do it today. And
we could stop polling, and it

795
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:27,690
would it would put a real stake
in the ground. I know that

796
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:31,470
they're just unaware because
they're really busy. Well, then

797
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,680
I heard. I haven't I don't know
if there's been an issue. But I

798
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,500
heard on the previous episode of
The New Media show that

799
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:42,960
one of the comments today. Okay,
well, the previous episode, Rob

800
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,020
had mentioned pod pain to Todd
and he said, Yeah, we'll be glad

801
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,660
to start pinging them. So they
have no problem with it. I just

802
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:51,540
haven't reached out to him yet.
Okay, so I know at least

803
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:53,970
blueberry will start. I'm not
sure you know, that lives in

804
00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:58,320
that. I hope they will, too.
It's so easy. Like, you could

805
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,540
just and we can do something
forward.

806
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:04,620
I mean, I don't know how many
times we're pulling their feeds.

807
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,380
Who knows? Who knows? I got no
idea. But all I know is if it

808
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:16,500
feels so good to just go into
the aggregator and just

809
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:21,600
basically just cut off the you
know, 100,000 feeds. Oh,

810
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,940
beautiful. And you say we're
just not going to check them

811
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:27,390
anymore? Nope. Don't have to it
always tell us yeah, it all

812
00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:30,240
works is beautiful. Yeah. Oh.

813
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,550
Speaking of new media shoe.

814
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:35,640
I thought this was a good shoe.

815
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:42,960
Ad advertising one. erectile
dysfunction is a big category

816
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,730
being advertised in podcast
right now.

817
00:53:46,110 --> 00:53:50,490
Hmm. Okay. It is. It's huge.
Yeah, I talked about this no

818
00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:53,970
agenda yesterday cuz I heard
them talking about this too. Oh,

819
00:53:53,970 --> 00:53:57,930
really? Yes. Yes. It's, it's
sad.

820
00:53:59,070 --> 00:53:59,400
Yeah.

821
00:54:01,050 --> 00:54:07,710
Go ahead and play part two. So I
was told by media buyer that

822
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:10,320
they're targeting 25 to 35

823
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,950
for ad meant. Okay.

824
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:23,850
On game 25 to 35 CPM. No, no,
no. Ah, hey, screw. Okay. Oh, 25

825
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:24,990
to 35.

826
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:32,940
We have a lot of unhealthy
people, young people in this

827
00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:33,720
country. I guess.

828
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:39,870
I actually asked the guy three
times, not 45 to 65.

829
00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:47,040
No 25 to 35. I'm like, God help
us population.

830
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:52,710
Yeah. So there's two parts to
this. One is

831
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:59,700
why are you marketing to younger
men?

832
00:55:00,659 --> 00:55:03,899
The answers that I've received
back from the no agenda audience

833
00:55:03,899 --> 00:55:08,489
are very sad. The majority say,
Oh, it's because of excessive

834
00:55:08,489 --> 00:55:12,689
masturbation due to porn, which
was one of my thoughts. That's,

835
00:55:12,689 --> 00:55:14,849
I mean, that's what I mean,
either. I've always been told

836
00:55:14,849 --> 00:55:17,489
either it's not you're going to
break it, or you'll go blind or

837
00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:21,509
hair on your poem. So there was
probably something to that. And

838
00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:23,759
I don't know if you have it in
the third clip, but what was

839
00:55:24,299 --> 00:55:27,959
funny because I know Todd and it
was funny, at the same time,

840
00:55:27,959 --> 00:55:31,289
kind of disturbing them. He was
very happy to have the pharma

841
00:55:31,289 --> 00:55:36,929
ads despite, despite the the
obvious horribleness that is

842
00:55:36,929 --> 00:55:41,189
going on with this particular
advertiser. So pharma all day

843
00:55:41,189 --> 00:55:43,859
long. Oh, you have a hold on a
second.

844
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:50,430
Yes, this one, I'll take pharma
all day long. Yeah.

845
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,520
Apparently, a lot of a lot of
podcast listeners and gamers

846
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,420
take pharma all day long. I
thought that was a fascinating

847
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:04,830
discussion about about the state
of advertising. What did you

848
00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:07,260
have any of that because they're
basically they sat there and

849
00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:11,700
calculated that like, half a
percent of all podcasts are

850
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:15,630
making all the money. Yeah. And
everything else is is not making

851
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:17,970
money. That's they literally did
that. And I think they were a

852
00:56:17,970 --> 00:56:21,210
little surprised themselves.
Yeah, if you if nobody has

853
00:56:21,210 --> 00:56:22,530
listened to that, go back to
listen to the

854
00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:27,720
next to the latest, the
penultimate pod new media show.

855
00:56:27,780 --> 00:56:32,160
Yes. And, and follow along with
their discussion. It is quite it

856
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,550
is quite interesting to hear
them break down the math of how

857
00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:40,290
all they have who exactly how
many podcasts in industry are

858
00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:45,090
really truly getting monetized.
It is not very many. And and and

859
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:47,730
I'll add to that, although they
didn't discuss it specifically.

860
00:56:48,330 --> 00:56:51,600
And a lot of that is thrown into
radio advertising. So they'll be

861
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:55,380
a radio by and we'll throw in
some podcast and that's what I

862
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:56,880
hard to do in this how they sell
it.

863
00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:01,410
I didn't know that. Of course,
it's and you they just merged

864
00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:05,490
the sales teams of all that all
those companies they bought. It

865
00:57:05,490 --> 00:57:08,550
merged it in. It's I know I've
come from this business, I

866
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:11,850
pioneered some of this dreck. So
that's why it's appropriate for

867
00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:14,730
me to warn about what's
happening. Now we have an

868
00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:18,090
alternative to that, which is
the value for value model. And I

869
00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:24,600
finally got down to writing this
up in a way that I think at

870
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,170
least gets people started.
That's why I titled How to

871
00:57:28,170 --> 00:57:32,550
receive Bitcoin in real time for
your podcast, with some very

872
00:57:32,550 --> 00:57:35,490
simple how does it work and then
write to I have a lightning

873
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:38,430
node, I know what I'm doing, or
I know what I'm doing. I don't

874
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:40,080
have a lightning node or her.

875
00:57:42,030 --> 00:57:48,330
Yeah, and and that's it value
for value.io if you want to send

876
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:51,000
someone there so they can
understand it value for value

877
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,970
and the value number four value
value for value.io. And if you

878
00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:59,400
want to send your listeners to
check out some cool podcast

879
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,120
apps, it's new podcast apps.com.
These are things you can

880
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:03,630
remember.

881
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:08,550
Yeah, that I thought that that
piece that you wrote was really

882
00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:13,380
good. Because we've, like, every
time we do something where we

883
00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:17,280
have to put wording on a page,
it always starts off this back

884
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,080
end discussion of a like, this
doesn't feel right, this doesn't

885
00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:25,050
this feel this doesn't explain
it. Right. And, and finally,

886
00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:27,270
you're just like, screw it, I'm
just gonna, I'm gonna write this

887
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:29,490
whole thing out the right way,
the way that it needs to be

888
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:33,390
explained and just gonna do it.
Well, what prompted me is so

889
00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:36,270
many people saying how do I do
it? And you know, this little

890
00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:38,850
there's just little gotchas
along the way that that, you

891
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:42,330
know, little things that we put
in there that like, confuses

892
00:58:42,330 --> 00:58:44,910
people. So when you find one of
those, you want to grab it right

893
00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:47,610
away and like, Okay, how can I
explain that differently? How

894
00:58:47,610 --> 00:58:48,660
can we make it work?

895
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,090
And, you know, we we clearly
still, really, we're in a good

896
00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:58,650
place. Yeah, we have a we're on
track to do 100,000 transactions

897
00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:03,600
this month. At least that's a
lot. Yeah, we were at 67,000

898
00:59:03,630 --> 00:59:08,850
last month. So to go to about
100,000 it's between 80 and 100

899
00:59:08,850 --> 00:59:09,360
somewhere.

900
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:13,260
And that's that's the only
metric that I'm sticking to now

901
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:17,520
because if you do it by Satoshi
you sent it you get the worst

902
00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:18,150
charts.

903
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,630
It's really it's not helpful at
all. You just want to know how

904
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:25,920
many people are sending a
transaction and whether it's a

905
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,160
per minute or a boost. Most of
them are obviously per minute.

906
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:33,540
And and that that feels the
right way. That's what Roy at

907
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:38,520
Brees is doing. And I wanted to
add that what we're doing with

908
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,880
the lightning network is
incredibly important to

909
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:43,020
lightning labs.

910
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:49,020
Ryan Gentry will be doing a talk
at the Bitcoin conference, the

911
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:54,120
Bitcoin 2021 in Miami, and and
and he has three points on his

912
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,140
agenda and number two is
podcasting. 2.0 as

913
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,970
lightning labs

914
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,170
Just made a he came over the
other day just real quick. It

915
01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:07,770
was it was kind of weird because
this was when Bitcoin just

916
01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:12,900
started to tumble. And you know,
I think that Ryan had kind of

917
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,390
hoped, okay, just wrapping up a
few things here got a board

918
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:18,120
meeting, then we have Bitcoin,
Miami, and then we're on to the

919
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:23,790
next thing. And you know what
he's being the new business guy

920
01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:26,700
business development guy, what
he didn't need is a lot of

921
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:29,160
people calling saying, I'm
ruined.

922
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:34,890
I left my whole career for this,
where's this going and remind me

923
01:00:34,890 --> 01:00:37,140
to tell you about what happened
is I have a theory on that.

924
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:40,110
However, because we came over,
we're just chatting. And

925
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,340
you know, this is this is not
the this, this happens in the

926
01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:46,890
history of Bitcoin. And there's
different reasons for it. And

927
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:49,650
this one's a little different,
which, in fact, I find exciting.

928
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:50,580
But we'll get to that.

929
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:53,940
And he said, You know, we've
made a decision, and I'm

930
01:00:53,940 --> 01:00:55,590
paraphrasing here, so don't hold
me to it.

931
01:00:57,420 --> 01:00:59,250
Lightning labs has always been

932
01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:03,750
developing lnd that a node?

933
01:01:05,610 --> 01:01:08,940
with developers in mind, so the
developers asked for things, and

934
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:12,180
yes, that's how you get wallets
and you get roulette games, and

935
01:01:12,180 --> 01:01:17,340
you get certain functionality
for certain pieces. And, and a

936
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,010
lot of what they've created is
done, and you know, it doesn't

937
01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:23,100
take off, nothing happens. It's,
you know, just it's a dud, it

938
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:26,820
happens. So they want to move
much closer towards what they

939
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:31,590
call the creators, which I
refuse, but okay. And so they're

940
01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:37,110
asking, what do we need? What
can we ask them for, that they

941
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:40,980
can put in, that will make this
home. And the first thing I said

942
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:43,200
was connect to this wallet.

943
01:01:44,310 --> 01:01:47,160
That's the number one thing I
want connect to this wallet. So

944
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,410
there's a couple things one, he
pointed me towards

945
01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:55,410
socket sockets dot money, which
I posted on the mastodon, no one

946
01:01:55,410 --> 01:01:55,860
saw it,

947
01:01:56,970 --> 01:02:02,040
which is a version of what we're
talking about, you can connect a

948
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,230
wallet to an app sockets dot
money. It's not what we need, I

949
01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:10,110
don't think but it's it's a
start. But he took he

950
01:02:10,110 --> 01:02:12,360
understands exactly what I'm
talking about.

951
01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:16,950
He feels that the so called
static invoices, which will be a

952
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:20,520
slight or maybe more slight
change to the way

953
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:25,980
keys and works now, that may
offer a hell of a lot of

954
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:29,970
solutions, which is part of the
reason why we're in on this

955
01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:33,450
early and you Eric and myself
have already been asked, I think

956
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:34,440
he received an invite

957
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:37,860
to join one of these
roundtables.

958
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:43,200
So have your shit ready? Because
whatever we asked for it,

959
01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:44,670
they're really going to try and
do.

960
01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:49,770
So these are the things that
that excite me when when I hear

961
01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:53,370
that, you know, this is not a
slouchy bunch of people over

962
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:58,530
there. And we have shown them
that there is a use case, and

963
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,900
that there are people using
lightning using micro payments,

964
01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:07,590
far and beyond anything that's
being done right now. Anything.

965
01:03:08,340 --> 01:03:11,160
Yeah. And we all should be
pretty proud of that.

966
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:16,950
Yeah, that's 100%. And then you
get the feedback directly from

967
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:20,880
people like Mitch is said, You
know,

968
01:03:22,050 --> 01:03:26,640
I can't is just a terrible user
experience to try to throw my

969
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,100
user back and forth between his
external API. Yeah, an external

970
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,550
API and the app and just keep
kicking you to kick them back

971
01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:37,710
and forth to go create an
account over here and deals cut

972
01:03:37,710 --> 01:03:42,030
stuff, copy paste, really, yeah,
I really just want a connect to

973
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:45,750
wallet. thing, like, Can I just
have, you know, that's, that's

974
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:51,420
really what I need any, I need
an OAuth type experience for

975
01:03:51,420 --> 01:03:55,590
connecting to this wallet. Well,
and it of course, it does exist

976
01:03:56,370 --> 01:04:02,280
with the full l&d node, even
with a QR code. But we're

977
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,710
talking about a different
solution. And I think we all

978
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:10,320
collectively agree that the best
path for podcasters in general

979
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,090
is get n for for podcast
listeners, I should say, is to

980
01:04:15,090 --> 01:04:16,110
just get a

981
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:20,610
something that's custodial
people who put a small amount of

982
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:22,560
money on it anyway, most likely.

983
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:27,270
And that's where the education
process starts and a certain

984
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:29,850
point, I think you'll see
podcasters who were saying,

985
01:04:29,850 --> 01:04:33,090
well, this is interesting. No,
but now I'm receiving you know,

986
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,240
20,000 SATs a day and I'm
sweeping it out you know, I

987
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,970
probably should have a different
solution. Boom for 17 bucks a

988
01:04:38,970 --> 01:04:43,590
month you can have a fully noted
solution from breeze and, and

989
01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:46,620
voltage. So there's there's
definitely a path but we need a

990
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:47,580
better path

991
01:04:48,780 --> 01:04:54,180
to get people started. And right
now the what Martin has done

992
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:55,740
with pod friend, I think is

993
01:04:57,450 --> 01:04:59,970
by far the most elegant
solution.

994
01:05:01,050 --> 01:05:06,180
It's the closest. It's the
closest thing to to an actual,

995
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:11,700
like, friction free very close
to friction boy. Yes. Yeah,

996
01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:15,270
there's still that. There's
still that bit of friction, but

997
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:20,580
it's the closest one. Did you
read? I'm sure. I know you did,

998
01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:23,940
because I think you actually
tweeted the link out. Roy's

999
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,830
description. Yes, I was just
gonna say that fantastic. Yes.

1000
01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:33,930
Great article. And, and I think
that that goes right back into

1001
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:38,400
the discussion we had earlier
about media title is yes, it's

1002
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,580
time to short subscriptions and
go long on lightning.

1003
01:05:42,810 --> 01:05:46,200
And then he does subhead
subscriptions are obsolete and

1004
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,970
unfair. Lightning is the
solution. Yeah. Right on ROI,

1005
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,180
right. The big guy, man, he's
got mom's falling on his head.

1006
01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:58,470
He's over there. In Bryan of
London territory. Yeah, bombs

1007
01:05:58,470 --> 01:06:00,840
fallen on his head. I'm just
going to bang out a medium

1008
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,100
article. Okay. He's no slouch as
a writer. Boy, he dies after it.

1009
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,000
He does. He does. The I think
it's worth talking about that

1010
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,090
for a second because
subscription. You know, he goes

1011
01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:15,600
into a lot of detail and and
it's uh, you know, you need to

1012
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,520
read the article. But really

1013
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:24,120
the, the just the, in my mind
what I'm what I've been thinking

1014
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,540
about, and it really did the am
B's and all stuff brought this

1015
01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:29,550
up in the at&t stuff.

1016
01:06:31,020 --> 01:06:35,250
Is subscriptions are really,

1017
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,690
they're not I agree with him,
they're not sustainable, long

1018
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:46,470
term. And at the end, the reason
is because, like, Well,

1019
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:49,620
you see, I want to explain this.

1020
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,940
Looking at the podcasting
subscription stuff that's coming

1021
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:56,190
out right now with Apple and
Spotify and that kind of thing,

1022
01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:59,220
there's a, there's a certain
section of the, of the

1023
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,460
population, that thing of the
podcasting world that thinks

1024
01:07:02,460 --> 01:07:06,120
that's, you know, fantastic. But

1025
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:13,200
what you get when you have a
subscription based user base,

1026
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:17,070
subscription user base, is you
get sort of a

1027
01:07:18,210 --> 01:07:22,710
constant outflow and inflow
people jump out and back into

1028
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:26,040
the subscriptions all the time.
Because the subscriptions don't

1029
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,120
accurate can't, can never
accurately reflect what they

1030
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,470
actually you know, what the
value that they're getting from

1031
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:40,650
the product, because the VAT,
the value of media is ever

1032
01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:46,740
changing on a on a daily basis,
if not more granular than that.

1033
01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:50,550
So if I'm listening to, you
know, I subscribe to a podcast,

1034
01:07:50,910 --> 01:07:53,760
and I'm listening to that
podcast heavily for a couple of

1035
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,750
weeks. And then, for a period of
two or three weeks, I'm not

1036
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:59,100
listening that much.

1037
01:08:00,870 --> 01:08:05,730
Or maybe a period of a couple of
months. Or maybe I'm listening

1038
01:08:05,730 --> 01:08:09,780
to it and I keep getting
interrupted or like what you

1039
01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:14,880
know, your value perceived value
of that product is is in

1040
01:08:15,030 --> 01:08:20,370
constant flux. So what you need
is a payment system that

1041
01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:26,100
reflects your moment by moment
perceived value, yes. Rather

1042
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:31,140
than aggregating it into a big
chunk, and applying it to this

1043
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:36,180
broader time period. And, and,
and you have a true pricing

1044
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:42,570
mechanism, which is based upon
yourself. Yeah. I mean, yes, you

1045
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:45,510
get you get more money from me,

1046
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:53,190
as a as a booster than you do.
As a subscriber. I cannot

1047
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:59,760
promise you that. 100% Yep, yep,
yep. Yep. My life is so busy on

1048
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,990
a daily basis, that when I watch
you, when I hit play on your

1049
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:04,800
podcast,

1050
01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:11,940
that that is a big deal. For for
not just me, for a lot of

1051
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:16,230
people, your commit you use when
you hit play, you've committed a

1052
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:20,160
minimum of a half an hour that
you're going to invest into,

1053
01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:24,570
into listening to that podcast.
And if you if you care that

1054
01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:29,250
much, then you're willing to
give that that creator money,

1055
01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:32,280
you're willing to give them
money at that moment, at the

1056
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,660
very moment, you're willing to
give them a lot of money,

1057
01:09:37,170 --> 01:09:40,620
because you've decided that
their product is that valuable

1058
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:43,080
that you're going to spend your
precious time listening to it.

1059
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:48,930
But if you catch that listener,
as some random day of the month

1060
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,230
when they're not interested in
what in your podcast, and you

1061
01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:54,660
say and you just show them the
amount, okay, you're spending

1062
01:09:54,810 --> 01:09:55,800
$10

1063
01:09:58,410 --> 01:10:00,000
just doesn't, it's you

1064
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,120
It's not the same. Well, not
only that,

1065
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:08,730
but it's a lot more fun.
Certainly as we progress, and,

1066
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,420
you know, I'm going to tell you,
in fact, this is, I think it was

1067
01:10:12,420 --> 01:10:14,940
Darren O'Neil who posted? Well,
you know,

1068
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,070
it's Jerry Kay, I'm paraphrasing
jury's still out on whether

1069
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:23,490
people will adopt this method.
Yeah, you know, what if you just

1070
01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:27,450
sit there and wait, no, but if
you do the following Hey, do you

1071
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:29,880
guys like this show? Do you like
what we're doing here with

1072
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,180
podcasting 2.0 boost us now
boost hit the boost button

1073
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:35,790
exercise your thumbs your lazy
ass boost boost.

1074
01:10:37,710 --> 01:10:41,970
Guess was out it works. This is
this is this is a fact it's

1075
01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:48,060
proven. You have to ask people
to support you, you need to ask.

1076
01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:51,510
And it's beautiful. You'll see
it in one, one minute or one

1077
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:54,300
hour, 10 minutes. 57 seconds,
we're gonna see a whole bunch of

1078
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:57,510
boosts coming through on this
show. What do you have to do

1079
01:10:57,510 --> 01:11:01,620
with a subscription model is you
have to lower your price. You

1080
01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:05,640
have to get your price low
enough to where people won't

1081
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,440
bounce in and out of the
subscription.

1082
01:11:08,670 --> 01:11:13,200
Hey, man, you know, here's
here's what I'm seeing. Apples

1083
01:11:13,230 --> 01:11:18,810
whole modus operandi would be to
promote some success story with

1084
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:22,200
podcast subscriptions as they do
with all their other products.

1085
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:26,580
after launch. I have not seen
it. I have not seen NPR saying

1086
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:30,120
oh my god, we transition to
subscriptions. It's crazy. It's

1087
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,730
off the wall. Never again will
never go back.

1088
01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:36,990
That maybe because half their
shows disappeared at Apple.

1089
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:43,530
And hello again to Stacey from
NPR. We're so happy to have you

1090
01:11:44,190 --> 01:11:47,760
on. I love it. I love it when
she's pushing stuff, man. Yeah,

1091
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,570
he's a renegade. We got one on
the inside Dave. Yeah,

1092
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,270
nationally. I don't want to get
boxed in. I'm making sure we're

1093
01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:57,690
compatible with your stuff. Yes.
I'm saying I'm gonna send her

1094
01:11:57,690 --> 01:12:02,490
some some piping posting token
to you. Oh, yes, that would be

1095
01:12:02,490 --> 01:12:06,180
fun. And could you imagine if
the MP I mean, here's this very

1096
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:08,940
simple. NPR could choose an app
that they like.

1097
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:13,140
And they could add it to the
script. You know, the part where

1098
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:16,440
it says, or wherever you get
your podcast? Why don't you say

1099
01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:21,240
or try out pod friend. But try
out breeze or try out pod verse

1100
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:25,560
or try to try out the cast
ematic

1101
01:12:27,390 --> 01:12:30,840
this new podcast app calm. Ask
people to do that.

1102
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:37,470
NPR is one of those deceptive
companies where they look like

1103
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:40,200
they're old and stuffy. But they
actually have a lot of forward

1104
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,490
thinking tech. And I bet I bet
you that they? I bet you they're

1105
01:12:44,490 --> 01:12:47,580
very willing to jump on board
with this. I get that feeling?

1106
01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:52,560
Well, it's a very subtle thing
I'm asking for just in that

1107
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,050
throwaway line, a throwaway
line.

1108
01:12:57,150 --> 01:13:00,540
You get our podcast on Apple
podcast, Spotify, wherever you

1109
01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:04,590
get your podcast, try out a new
one a new podcast. app.com

1110
01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:08,220
not a commercial venture. It's
not a commercial venture. It's

1111
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:11,070
completely open source free
value for value. We're just

1112
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,590
trying to really secure
everybody's future.

1113
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:20,100
I'm gonna do some namespace talk
real quick. Do I ever

1114
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:27,390
bring it on? time? First time
hot? Nah, you know, I like it

1115
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:29,280
when we have a group namespace.

1116
01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:34,770
But I'd like it just with you a
little better. Yeah, just mano a

1117
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:39,240
mano feels feels less dirty.
This is the sexiest podcast. Oh,

1118
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,500
yeah. And the universe.

1119
01:13:41,850 --> 01:13:46,770
So we have it reminded me for
some reason that popped into my

1120
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,030
head. Right when you're talking
about.

1121
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,650
About that is the block tag.

1122
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,600
Yes. The way Okay, so just a
quick update the way it's

1123
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,750
looking right now is we're going
to have

1124
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,450
alternate enclosure. This was
going to be finalized on June

1125
01:14:06,450 --> 01:14:12,090
the first nice alternate
enclosure, license. And

1126
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,020
oh, gosh, I just had a brain
freeze. What's the format? One

1127
01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:25,530
format? No, not format. That's
super, super simple. Oh, trailer

1128
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,940
trailer? Oh, yes. Yes. trailer
trailer trailer licensed in

1129
01:14:29,940 --> 01:14:34,530
alternating pleasure. The the
block tag has come back up is

1130
01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:39,990
sort of resurrected, because it
will not because of but this

1131
01:14:40,050 --> 01:14:44,070
this app that that was just sort
of discovered yesterday, I guess

1132
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:49,020
the podcast clips app like, fun
clip, yeah, pod clips, or

1133
01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:52,410
something like that. And they're
like evidently, grabbing

1134
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:55,530
people's content and re hosting
it on their own servers. Yeah.

1135
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,970
So there's this block, you know,
the block tag, pod lunch.

1136
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,190
clips, pod clips comm pod.

1137
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:09,599
So the blog tag would allow
people in their feed to specify

1138
01:15:09,599 --> 01:15:14,189
which aggregators they want.
They do and do not want to be

1139
01:15:14,189 --> 01:15:18,869
able to index their content. And
so you can say you block Spotify

1140
01:15:18,899 --> 01:15:24,179
blop, block Apple, blah, blah,
blah. And then you're saying, or

1141
01:15:24,179 --> 01:15:27,749
block Google and you're saying,
you know, I do not want my stuff

1142
01:15:27,899 --> 01:15:29,789
to show up in your in your
directory.

1143
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:31,200
And

1144
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:39,360
this is, this is, this is good
in one way. And I'm Will and

1145
01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:42,090
then I had this discussion with
James cradling on the on the

1146
01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:48,930
mastodon like, Yes, I agree that
it is that this, I agree. And I

1147
01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:52,170
want to do this, I want to put
it in the namespace. This

1148
01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:55,650
namespace does not belong to
Dave or the podcast index, it

1149
01:15:55,650 --> 01:15:58,530
belongs to the the the open
source world isn't isn't it's an

1150
01:15:58,530 --> 01:16:02,940
open system. I am perfectly
willing to go along with this.

1151
01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:08,850
I've got a just got a cup, a
couple of reservations.

1152
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:20,040
One is that you always open
yourself up to shenanigans. And

1153
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,190
I don't an hour, you know, I
sort of planted my flag there.

1154
01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:26,520
And I was like, I will support
and even champion this tag.

1155
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:34,140
until the point when I see
people, companies trying to use

1156
01:16:34,140 --> 01:16:39,480
it to gain leverage over other
companies where they say, you

1157
01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:43,290
know, okay, well, anchor says
all of a sudden, block everybody

1158
01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:48,450
but Spotify and apple. Mm hmm.
Well, I mean, that's BS. Sorry.

1159
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:49,590
Well,

1160
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:54,750
you finished? I have some
thoughts. Okay. I don't I think

1161
01:16:54,750 --> 01:16:59,070
that's, I think that is anti
sort of anti competitive

1162
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,260
behavior. I don't like that
word, because it's got all the

1163
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:05,070
monopoly governing Google goop
all over. But to me, that is

1164
01:17:05,070 --> 01:17:09,300
just one away for one industry
player to try to gain a

1165
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:11,730
competitive advantage over
another industry player, that's

1166
01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:16,470
not the creator choosing where
they want to be listed company

1167
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:20,400
interceding on their behalf.
Okay. So I just got to interject

1168
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,620
here. First of all, this has
nothing to do with,

1169
01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:25,830
with podcast clips.

1170
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,500
They're not re hosting RSS
feeds, they are taking content,

1171
01:17:31,530 --> 01:17:36,390
taking images from people and,
and clipping it and hosting from

1172
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:41,340
their own servers. That is a
content. copyright violation has

1173
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:44,220
nothing to do with the feed. I
mean, they may not be trolling

1174
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:46,920
feeds at all, they may just be
downloading stuff or whatever.

1175
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:53,400
And if we'll just use the big
boys, as an example, Spotify

1176
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:57,300
took our feed the no agenda
feed, put it in there, or

1177
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,090
someone submitted it. I don't
know how it got in. And they had

1178
01:18:00,090 --> 01:18:02,820
a process and I went, No, I
don't want it and I was done.

1179
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,230
And I think that's a fine
process. I think that everyone

1180
01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:11,880
should be baking in bake a
copyright notice of some form, I

1181
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,510
do Creative Commons. And I've
defended Creative Commons in

1182
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:18,990
courts, I'm very comfortable
with it. For people stealing my

1183
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:20,790
content and using it
commercially.

1184
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,470
When it's documented as such, I
think was the first court case

1185
01:18:25,470 --> 01:18:30,240
over Creative Commons content.
That's where your, your content

1186
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,210
disclaimer belongs. But it could
even be on your on your show,

1187
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:38,730
page website, etc. I'm totally
with you. I think that these

1188
01:18:38,730 --> 01:18:43,230
tags are not necessarily creator
generated. They are more

1189
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:47,340
industry back end, most people
don't deal with these at all.

1190
01:18:47,820 --> 01:18:52,080
And what did the scenario you
are talking about, I guarantee

1191
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:52,860
you will happen.

1192
01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:00,090
And I think we've had a total of
maybe 10 or 15, people who did

1193
01:19:00,090 --> 01:19:04,350
not want their content on
podcast index or their feed. And

1194
01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:07,410
we've and we've, of course,
taken it off. And we'll have a

1195
01:19:07,530 --> 01:19:11,490
way for people to do that just
like every other company does. I

1196
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:16,560
don't see any reason for a tag
at all. And and I and honestly,

1197
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:19,530
I'm not sure why

1198
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,350
James is pushing this so hard. I
think it's coming from an honest

1199
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:28,110
place. I think he I think he
just really does want creators

1200
01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:31,590
to have, I think he wants to
podcasters to have control of

1201
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:36,360
where their stuff shows up. But
one for one reason. One reason

1202
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,560
is because it would make it
simpler and not have to field

1203
01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,030
all these requests. Because, you
know, a site like his

1204
01:19:46,260 --> 01:19:47,880
is sort of

1205
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:54,120
indicative of a broader category
of sites where you know, like in

1206
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,510
our instance, we're going to end
up having when Eric finishes his

1207
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:59,970
work, we're going to end up
having a way people can claim

1208
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,710
Their feet and be listed listed.
But a site like his or like it

1209
01:20:04,710 --> 01:20:05,580
was just a pod,

1210
01:20:06,690 --> 01:20:10,830
pod pages or some of these sort
of like landing page sites, they

1211
01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:14,640
don't really they don't have the
capacity to be able to allow

1212
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,420
people to get in and somehow
claim a feed and be listed. And

1213
01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:23,760
it's a big, it's a heavy lift
for them. So it would be easier

1214
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,560
if the,

1215
01:20:26,670 --> 01:20:29,310
if the person could if you could
just respond to the person and

1216
01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:33,900
say, if you don't want to show
up in ma cat in my catalog, just

1217
01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:37,410
put the blog tag in and list pod
news. And you won't show up on

1218
01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:43,290
our side. And I can see that I'm
100% respect that. And, and I

1219
01:20:43,290 --> 01:20:47,130
don't mind, they're there again,
I'm fine with the tag.

1220
01:20:48,330 --> 01:20:50,970
I'm fine with the tag being
there. And if somebody, if

1221
01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:54,990
somebody puts it in, and they
list podcast index, we don't

1222
01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:59,100
want to be listed in this Fine,
I won't list them. I don't mind

1223
01:20:59,100 --> 01:21:03,330
that. But as soon as I see some
shenanigans start, I'm ignoring

1224
01:21:03,330 --> 01:21:03,540
it.

1225
01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:09,300
That tag can exist and be
respected as long as you're

1226
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:13,110
respecting everybody else. But
as you if you start trying to

1227
01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:15,870
and I'll take this is the other
side of the coin that I was that

1228
01:21:15,870 --> 01:21:16,290
I was

1229
01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:19,170
thinking, well, there's two
issues.

1230
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:23,100
We seen that we see this with
robots dot txt,

1231
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:28,980
the robots file that controls
who gets to index people's

1232
01:21:28,980 --> 01:21:29,940
websites

1233
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:37,650
is a robust, it's very robust,
you can easily tell what sites

1234
01:21:37,650 --> 01:21:42,060
you want to be able to index
your content, like Google,

1235
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:45,000
Yahoo, Bing, and DuckDuckGo.

1236
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:52,140
What you see, though, is you see
a lot of like WordPress plugins,

1237
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:59,220
where the default out of the box
robots file contains, block

1238
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:00,480
everything but Google.

1239
01:22:02,670 --> 01:22:07,710
It See that's garbage to me.
That's, I'm not like, if some

1240
01:22:07,710 --> 01:22:12,660
websites sets or if some plugin
or some, you know, big hosting

1241
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:15,180
company or something like that
just automatically starts

1242
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:19,170
putting in their feeds, by
default, block everything but

1243
01:22:19,170 --> 01:22:23,460
apple and Spotify, then I'm
ignoring that I'm gonna, I'm

1244
01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:25,590
just going to consider that
block tag doesn't exist at that

1245
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:30,300
point. I guess my problem, and I
understand and I obviously,

1246
01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:35,280
what you're proposing is the
right way to go.

1247
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:41,760
The problem I have is, my feet
has been sucked up by

1248
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:48,840
Spotify by Google by Amazon. And
not a word out of anybody how

1249
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:54,720
evil that was not a word. Yeah,
not a word. And I complained

1250
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,850
about a bitterly I'm like, What
do you guys do, and you can't

1251
01:22:56,850 --> 01:22:57,660
just do that.

1252
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,610
But that's okay. And so now it's
all these smaller guys who I

1253
01:23:02,610 --> 01:23:04,440
just don't want to give any.

1254
01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:08,640
I can see this playing out. And
it's and Cridland pointed to a

1255
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:12,270
good article. I mean, he he made
it, he had a good pointer to an

1256
01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:15,810
article, which is another one of
these Oh, my God, Google's

1257
01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:18,960
hosting white supremacist
content for podcast.

1258
01:23:20,490 --> 01:23:23,790
Which again, and He even gave
them a pass like, Well, you

1259
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:25,320
know, that's just what Google
does.

1260
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:30,540
What this will be used for this
block tag and you know, fine, we

1261
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:32,730
can ignore it, I guarantee you,
it's going to be used for

1262
01:23:32,730 --> 01:23:38,010
censorship, it's going to be
used, right? So it's just an

1263
01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:38,730
open door.

1264
01:23:40,260 --> 01:23:44,130
The other way is to automate
stuff that you know, because I

1265
01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:46,890
don't think anybody knows
exactly what they don't want to

1266
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:47,640
be listed on.

1267
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,300
There's something that exists in
the future. I don't know if I

1268
01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:54,990
want to be listed on that. I
don't know. And there's, I mean,

1269
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,080
there's tons of stuff. I mean,
if anything, I'd like to stop

1270
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,040
receiving emails from every Tom,
Dick and Harry, who has a pod

1271
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,490
something venture funded piece
of shit. And oh, we've made we

1272
01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:08,640
built a page for you. Come look
at our page. Hey, I'm following

1273
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:12,300
up on the five emails that
you've ignored. So I get this

1274
01:24:12,330 --> 01:24:16,320
all the time. And it's like,
yeah, whatever, you know, you

1275
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,090
have a page they're fine. You
know, I

1276
01:24:19,170 --> 01:24:21,150
don't think it's worth fighting.

1277
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,490
If someone is blatantly ripping
off your stuff, and and podcast

1278
01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:30,840
clips is isn't a very clear
example. And

1279
01:24:32,130 --> 01:24:34,320
the images, there's a whole
bunch of stuff. I don't even

1280
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,220
know why they don't know what
they're trying to do over there.

1281
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:44,250
It's just I don't know if it's
to automate the idea of people

1282
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:46,770
not showing up where they don't
want to show up. It's like, you

1283
01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:47,490
don't know.

1284
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:52,860
Yeah, it's like it. That's what
that's why the robot, the robots

1285
01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:56,490
thing got broken. That's exactly
why it happened. Because

1286
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:59,700
everybody's like, I don't know
what's about to try to index my

1287
01:24:59,700 --> 01:24:59,970
face.

1288
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,990
And I'll get all I get all my ad
word revenue from Google. So I'm

1289
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:05,940
just gonna block everything from
Google except Google.

1290
01:25:07,529 --> 01:25:08,189
And that's,

1291
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,560
that's not the way this. I feel
like there's some idealism that

1292
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,000
needs to be broken here when it
comes to the block tag. But, I

1293
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,290
mean, do not track that header
didn't work, for the same

1294
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:25,320
reason, is because everybody,
you know, as soon as you have

1295
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,550
one big player this that ignores
it, well, it's useless. I mean,

1296
01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:33,210
it's used. Okay, so let's say,
let's say that we put the blog

1297
01:25:33,210 --> 01:25:33,840
tag in,

1298
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:37,320
and a year from now,

1299
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:42,960
us, and three other directories
are the only ones that run to

1300
01:25:43,050 --> 01:25:48,690
that respected and Apple, Google
and Spotify don't care less. I

1301
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:49,020
mean,

1302
01:25:50,610 --> 01:25:54,300
that that's not going to solve
anything. No, that's gonna do

1303
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:57,750
all this going to do is punish
us, that's not going to make,

1304
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,860
you know, and make us have stuff
that not have things that the

1305
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:05,730
other directories have. And that
puts our two apps that use us at

1306
01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:08,220
a disadvantage, or listening to
let's say, listen, notes

1307
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:11,460
respected. Well, then all of a
sudden, they have a lot less

1308
01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:15,570
than then Apple podcast
directory does. I mean, I just

1309
01:26:15,570 --> 01:26:19,470
don't I see. This is the I see,
like, five ways this can go

1310
01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:23,160
wrong. And like one way can go,
right? Yeah, well, the only

1311
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,620
thing, the only thing I'd
request and in general,

1312
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:29,730
I'd like to have these
conversations, these long

1313
01:26:29,730 --> 01:26:35,280
threads be moved to the GitHub,
where the word belongs in a in

1314
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:39,420
an issue about a tag. Cuz it
just in

1315
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,490
too many personalities. And
people start getting each

1316
01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:47,220
other's face. And it's like,
just move that over to the

1317
01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:49,470
GitHub, where we can have you
know, there's a little more

1318
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:52,710
structured conversation because
you missed too much on mastodon

1319
01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:58,080
for these for these types of
issues. My feeling, and I'm

1320
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,750
guilty, I'm guilty of bringing
that stuff into the mastodon

1321
01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:03,900
because it's so much faster.
Well, I know it's like, the the

1322
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:06,810
pod ping stuff, it was just you
know, for for a week, it's just

1323
01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:10,980
all been a Brian likes to post.
It just kind of, you know, it

1324
01:27:10,980 --> 01:27:14,010
just anyone who's not involved
in it actively is kind of like

1325
01:27:14,010 --> 01:27:14,730
oh ho hum.

1326
01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:18,150
So that we just need to move
some of that stuff over when

1327
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:21,030
appropriate. But I mean, it
doesn't mean it isn't exciting.

1328
01:27:21,060 --> 01:27:25,530
I'm just saying, like, this is a
very specific issue. And it can

1329
01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:30,210
take a lot. It's also to me it
is by far, by far.

1330
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:34,410
One of the least important
things in my life right now.

1331
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:39,390
I seriously of all the things
that are a problem with

1332
01:27:39,390 --> 01:27:42,450
podcasting, this is not the one
this is not the hill I'm gonna

1333
01:27:42,450 --> 01:27:46,470
die on. So whatever, it's fine.
There's many other important

1334
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:52,530
things to do. Yeah, in pod and,
and I don't think a blog tag

1335
01:27:52,890 --> 01:27:55,740
would have stopped pod clips, or
whatever the name of that app

1336
01:27:55,740 --> 01:28:01,440
is. But also, this is me. This
is me off is I want a value tag.

1337
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,110
But no, now we're all gonna
fight for a fucking block tag,

1338
01:28:04,110 --> 01:28:06,990
like we fought for the for the
lock tag. Oh, everyone

1339
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:11,220
implemented the lock tag, but we
won't do any other tags. Well,

1340
01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:15,480
we got we got to give them some
June 1, we'll give you a whole

1341
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:21,210
whole new batch of tags. So I'm
talking in general to you know,

1342
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,510
we're coming up on a year and a
lot of hosting companies have

1343
01:28:24,510 --> 01:28:28,680
not done anything. Yeah, True.
True. But

1344
01:28:30,210 --> 01:28:32,850
well, as soon as, as soon as

1345
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:38,700
well, with a few more apps, the
more the more apps that begin to

1346
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:42,510
support things, the more the
host will be hosting companies

1347
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:45,330
will be pressured to adopt more
stuff. Yes. And if you're using

1348
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,540
one of these apps from new
podcast apps comm tweet about

1349
01:28:48,540 --> 01:28:50,790
it. Let people know what you
think about it. I'm seeing this

1350
01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:53,910
happening. I just want to make
sure we ask people to do that

1351
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:59,070
you are part of a movement, a
revolution, recapturing our

1352
01:28:59,070 --> 01:29:03,960
rightful our rightful place in
the media landscape. As as the

1353
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:08,010
as the Star Search is being
built up around us and the man

1354
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,030
is, is coming back from the dead
to host a podcast.

1355
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,040
That's right, Johnny.

1356
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,380
How about we thank a few people.
Oh, yeah, I did want to say last

1357
01:29:19,410 --> 01:29:25,410
last bit of nice bass stuff.
Yes. Sorry. Baxter Tidwell. Dino

1358
01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:26,160
Baxter Tidwell.

1359
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:29,970
I don't know.

1360
01:29:31,620 --> 01:29:32,280
He

1361
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,940
created a formal

1362
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:45,060
namespace schema, or DTD or
whatever it is. Oh, those are.

1363
01:29:45,810 --> 01:29:48,060
Those are weird things. I've
never understood how to really

1364
01:29:48,060 --> 01:29:52,110
do one. I've I've read this.
I've read his document and I

1365
01:29:52,110 --> 01:29:53,130
still barely understand

1366
01:29:55,050 --> 01:29:57,840
it which is exactly which is why
I'm thrilled that he did it.

1367
01:29:59,700 --> 01:29:59,970
He

1368
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,720
He sent me an email. And it's
he's evidently he was on the

1369
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,560
sgml working group, the
predecessor, you know, the

1370
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:13,470
predecessor to XML. So he's he
knows this. Now, yeah, he says

1371
01:30:13,470 --> 01:30:16,650
he posted this yet. Is there a
link to it? It's up on namespace

1372
01:30:16,650 --> 01:30:19,530
now. Yeah, I posted a link to
the mastodon a few hours ago.

1373
01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:23,850
And you can go and click on
there. And he's got a very well

1374
01:30:23,850 --> 01:30:28,710
done, write up and document
about exactly how it works and

1375
01:30:28,710 --> 01:30:32,700
what he did, and how to use it
within Visual Studio code.

1376
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,930
The cool thing about it is as
you're writing your tags will

1377
01:30:36,930 --> 01:30:40,410
error check you against the
namespace to make sure that

1378
01:30:40,410 --> 01:30:44,010
you've put all the attributes
and stuff in correctly. very

1379
01:30:44,010 --> 01:30:47,790
slick. Wow, this is a lot of
work. You Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's

1380
01:30:47,790 --> 01:30:50,970
been a lot of time on this. Wow.
That's some real time and

1381
01:30:50,970 --> 01:30:55,320
talent, man, thank you so much.
Yeah, that I just want to make

1382
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,830
sure that I thanked him. Yes.
For that, because that was very

1383
01:30:58,830 --> 01:31:01,260
valuable. I've been wanting that
for a while. And every time I

1384
01:31:01,260 --> 01:31:04,320
start to look at it and like,
your eyes, your eyes glaze over.

1385
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:08,460
Yeah. He's like, and he's like,
I'll do it. Yes, thank you, man.

1386
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,850
This is this is hot. And this is
a it's a value for value

1387
01:31:11,850 --> 01:31:15,420
project. Everything we're doing
here is to move it forward.

1388
01:31:16,500 --> 01:31:19,020
And everyone's putting in their
time, their talent.

1389
01:31:20,130 --> 01:31:22,470
People putting in treasure,
we're putting in a lot of all of

1390
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:22,860
that.

1391
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,340
And that keeps us honest, keeps
us open. This podcast is a part

1392
01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:33,690
of it. Which is as far as I
know, the only board meeting

1393
01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:36,360
that is a podcast where
everybody is invited, everyone

1394
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,680
gets a shake at the stick.

1395
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,340
And let's thank some of our
financial supporters who believe

1396
01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:48,390
in what we're doing and want to
move everything forward and came

1397
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:52,200
in with their treasure. Yeah,
right off the bat. If you

1398
01:31:52,830 --> 01:31:58,680
donated enough to get a T shirt.
Please send. I've got a nice

1399
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,530
I've got a nice strategy here
because I'm not able to keep up

1400
01:32:01,530 --> 01:32:05,910
with how that XML spreadsheet
work out. I mean, yeah, we're

1401
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:08,670
not XLS spreadsheet. I don't
want to talk about it.

1402
01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:14,730
Please, if if you don't earn
enough to get to your place and

1403
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,200
your your shirt size and your
address that we need to ship it

1404
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,570
to you to shirts at podcast
index.org Holy crap, someone had

1405
01:32:24,570 --> 01:32:27,510
to think about that one. I did.
I thought about it for at least

1406
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:31,140
45 sec. Now tell us about these
handsome podcasting 2.0

1407
01:32:31,140 --> 01:32:34,260
certified shirts. Dave What?
What did it look like? Tell us

1408
01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:36,690
tell us about them. Oh, they're
beautiful. They have a

1409
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:43,530
podcasting podcasting 2.0
certified pill badge on them

1410
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:49,380
that the wonderful Benjamin
Bellamy wrote up designed for us

1411
01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:52,320
as a vector piece of vector art.
Oh, perfect. I think they're

1412
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:57,990
gonna be like a dark gray color
the T shirts. So you can your

1413
01:32:57,990 --> 01:33:00,450
whole body not just your
podcast, but your whole body can

1414
01:33:00,450 --> 01:33:04,320
be podcasting certified now.
Where it were loud and proud.

1415
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,990
Everybody put it on your wife,
your girlfriend, your boyfriend,

1416
01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:07,650
your dog.

1417
01:33:09,180 --> 01:33:11,070
Yeah. Anyway, it says

1418
01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:15,960
that, yeah, a total of $100
donations you've deserved you

1419
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,470
deserve that T shirt shirts at
podcast index.org.

1420
01:33:20,670 --> 01:33:22,860
And I guess we'll be given a
couple of those away today,

1421
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:28,140
then. Yeah. Oh, for sure. So,
Marco arment from overcast came

1422
01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:34,200
in again with $500. Marco, thank
you so much. It is it is a

1423
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,500
delight to have you in the
group. And when we're glad that.

1424
01:33:38,250 --> 01:33:42,120
You know, this is a very, very
nice collaboration. And I know

1425
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,910
that he's working on chapters. I
saw him posting about that. It's

1426
01:33:45,090 --> 01:33:47,490
very excited about that. Yes.

1427
01:33:48,540 --> 01:33:51,450
I'll, I'll make sure that they
listen to the show. So I'll make

1428
01:33:51,450 --> 01:33:55,080
sure he knows about the T shirt.
Oh, man, we all listened to his

1429
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:55,560
show.

1430
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,280
Y'all send us t shirts. We'll
send you

1431
01:34:01,110 --> 01:34:04,920
Thank you, Marco. Yeah. Thanks
for that. Appreciate it. That

1432
01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:09,030
that seriously? covers our
hosting phase for the entire

1433
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:11,370
month. That does such. Yeah.

1434
01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:19,860
Let's see. Steve. Steven crater.
Yes. came in with $100. Steven,

1435
01:34:19,860 --> 01:34:21,000
thank you, Steven.

1436
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:25,320
Creates websites on the fly
filled with beautiful data.

1437
01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:29,940
Yeah, in like, five minutes.
You're like, Hey, you know, I

1438
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:33,840
need one of these in the craters
there like like this. Yeah.

1439
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:39,570
Like when I when I said I think
it was on the last show was

1440
01:34:39,570 --> 01:34:43,350
like, we really need a page
where it lists all the value for

1441
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:46,260
value enabled podcasts in
literally I mean, it's like, you

1442
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:48,330
know, four hours later, he's
like, Hey, I got you one pull

1443
01:34:48,330 --> 01:34:50,670
request. Oh, God, man.
Seriously.

1444
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,600
Yeah, Stephen sent us 100 bucks.
And he said I've been I've

1445
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,150
enjoyed being a member of the
podcast index community and

1446
01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:59,460
appreciate the opportunity to
contribute how I can

1447
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,010
Stephen needed you didn't have
to do that and you will

1448
01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:03,390
definitely be getting a T shirt.

1449
01:35:04,890 --> 01:35:06,810
Thank you, brother. Thank you so
much.

1450
01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:10,740
See

1451
01:35:12,809 --> 01:35:16,139
Olmstead media sent us $100

1452
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:22,110
a day from Deutschland I don't
know it's a tom Thomas.

1453
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,860
And he just says certify me.

1454
01:35:27,390 --> 01:35:28,920
So first you have to defragment

1455
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:35,430
can't just be certified you got
to defragment your first I guess

1456
01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:41,130
is that a Dutch name on start
now how do you spell UM, sta Dt

1457
01:35:41,130 --> 01:35:48,780
d. d? And is media Homestuck
media is m dot media and Thomas.

1458
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:52,380
Let me say Thomas, I see him

1459
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:58,470
start game now. Here's that
German.

1460
01:36:01,050 --> 01:36:03,930
Thomas is a speaker a podcaster
and a CEO.

1461
01:36:05,010 --> 01:36:07,230
A looks like he's from Texas.
What the hell

1462
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:12,840
to say, Well, you know, we got
hit Fe, we know we have a very

1463
01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:17,100
long, rich history of German
history. He lives in Austin with

1464
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:20,550
his beautiful wife and children.
Okay, I'll show you some

1465
01:36:20,550 --> 01:36:24,000
pictures. He can carry a T shirt
over to his house. I just might

1466
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,170
have to do that. Thanks, man.
That's a big he's a long I bet

1467
01:36:28,170 --> 01:36:32,100
you he's a longtime Texan. I bet
he's been here since the 1800s

1468
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:36,360
or not him but his family. We
have a lot we have a lot of

1469
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:36,960
German

1470
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,960
heritage in North Alabama,
because that's where Redstone

1471
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:48,420
Arsenal and the Huntsville Space
and Rocket Center was you know

1472
01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:51,570
there's a lot of NASA government
stuff up in North Alabama in

1473
01:36:51,570 --> 01:36:54,180
Huntsville area. But those are
still the Operation Paperclip

1474
01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:55,380
Germans totally

1475
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:58,920
Nazi offspring.

1476
01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:03,000
If you get there's a graveyard
that you can go up there up

1477
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:08,220
there and it's like, filled with
like, Iron Cross headstones.

1478
01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:13,200
Really, total German nuts.
Operation Paperclip interest.

1479
01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:14,610
Ah.

1480
01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:18,780
Thank you, Thomas. Appreciate
that. Yeah, thanks, man. And

1481
01:37:19,170 --> 01:37:20,640
yeah, let's let's have a beer.

1482
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:27,990
Dame Jennifer Buchanan. $33.33.
Damn, Jennifer, it's you do not

1483
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:31,920
need to do that you do so much
already. She says in the

1484
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,730
morning, y'all. If Adam can
throw in a penny, this plus my

1485
01:37:35,730 --> 01:37:40,350
last 233 33 donations entitles
me to one of those fancy new t

1486
01:37:40,350 --> 01:37:43,650
shirts. You got it? Thanks to
all who are working to keep

1487
01:37:43,650 --> 01:37:45,750
podcasting hot kisses and hugs.

1488
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,120
Thank you. Damn, Jennifer. Yes.
On the way to you for sure.

1489
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:55,020
Were loud and proud. Let's see.

1490
01:37:56,370 --> 01:38:01,320
Is there a note with this one do
not see a note for Ronald keys

1491
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,890
that he gave us. $25. Thank you,
Ron.

1492
01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:10,980
Thanks, man. Every single penny
makes a difference. And let's

1493
01:38:10,980 --> 01:38:15,510
see here. Mark King gave us $10.
And he says thanks show.

1494
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:21,120
me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you for that. Another Texan.

1495
01:38:21,150 --> 01:38:23,430
Maybe? I wasn't I don't know,
y'all.

1496
01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:31,200
See? Oh, Andy layman. Andy gave
us $5 and he says, Dave and

1497
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,320
Adam, thanks for all you do keep
up the good work. It has allowed

1498
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,740
us at the dudes and dads podcast
to do some cool things in our

1499
01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:42,090
feed. allowed me Andy layman of
layman creations to develop some

1500
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:42,900
cool crap.

1501
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:54,540
Crap, Andy. No, it's not baby.
It's art. Alright, it is. And we

1502
01:38:54,540 --> 01:38:58,020
have a new subscription monthly
subscription from David would

1503
01:38:58,020 --> 01:39:02,460
find $3 I do not see a note from
David's We appreciate it. Thank

1504
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:05,220
David. Matthew. Thank you.
Thanks, everybody who supports

1505
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:08,880
the podcast index podcasting.
2.0 with your time, your talent,

1506
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,930
your treasure. to support us,
you can go to podcast index.org

1507
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,840
we got a big Donate button
there. It still connects to

1508
01:39:15,870 --> 01:39:20,250
paypal. And the site revamp is
coming. So we'll still welcome

1509
01:39:20,250 --> 01:39:22,800
your cookbooks through that
system. And of course, you can

1510
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,700
always boost this show and crank
up the value sliders and just

1511
01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:30,360
help us with some true value for
value. The moment you're getting

1512
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,600
it. You're spitting it right
back. I see you Martin Martin.

1513
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:38,190
Mark loves to boost us when he's
listening. I think he likes his

1514
01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:42,240
fiance out like now is the show
is coming up. And I have to make

1515
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:46,020
sure it's the everything's the
ping the pod ping has been

1516
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:50,100
pinged appropriately before
before I tweet or tooted because

1517
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:53,730
he gets angry if it doesn't work
on his app. Oh, he's very bad.

1518
01:39:54,510 --> 01:39:57,900
Can I do I still just use those
scripts that you gave me. Yeah,

1519
01:39:57,900 --> 01:39:59,970
that goes straight that go
straight to us. I think

1520
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,560
The delay was there. The net
monthly donations I forgot to

1521
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,130
read. Oh, yes, please. Hello,
sorry about that. Keith Gibson.

1522
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:11,010
These are subscriptions that hit
this week Keith Gibson gave us

1523
01:40:11,010 --> 01:40:11,910
$50

1524
01:40:13,170 --> 01:40:19,470
Enigma Enigma labs. $20 Dwayne
Goldie the second $8 Charles

1525
01:40:19,470 --> 01:40:23,280
current $5 and Thomas Sullivan,
Jr. $5. Thank you. Thank you all

1526
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,270
very much Enigma labs, what the
hell is an enigma labs? I don't

1527
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:31,620
know. It sounds military,
developing the future. I like it

1528
01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:35,490
though. I like I like, you know,
in the labs.

1529
01:40:37,410 --> 01:40:39,930
ending my labs was created with
an intention of establishing an

1530
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:43,680
environment where physicians
feel they are in control. This

1531
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:44,010
means

1532
01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:51,120
I have a feeling it may be a
different Enigma labs. Not just

1533
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,450
a hunch. Do I so I love pharma
money.

1534
01:40:57,060 --> 01:40:58,710
I love pharmaceutical money.

1535
01:41:02,430 --> 01:41:04,410
Yeah, maybe we're getting some
of that for us some of that

1536
01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:07,650
sweet sweet pharma. pharma cash.
Yeah.

1537
01:41:09,150 --> 01:41:12,780
I'd rather take a boost some I'd
rather I don't want to Fauci

1538
01:41:12,780 --> 01:41:15,960
booster. I don't want your boost
on podcasting. 2.0 is the only

1539
01:41:17,370 --> 01:41:18,120
give me that?

1540
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,620
This this is no, this is funny
to the

1541
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:24,180
E.

1542
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:28,020
Play. This was the they had that
discussion.

1543
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:34,350
Todd and Rob had that discussion
about the ad advertising. And

1544
01:41:34,350 --> 01:41:38,490
then sort of at the end of the
at the segment, they said do

1545
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:41,820
this is where they sort of he
wrapped it up DVD advertising

1546
01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:43,980
three, and they don't run for
very long.

1547
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:48,840
Yeah, the pills don't work for
very long either. I'm told so

1548
01:41:48,930 --> 01:41:49,230
yeah.

1549
01:41:50,730 --> 01:41:52,200
Name. Yeah.

1550
01:41:53,700 --> 01:41:57,630
That's That's all I got. Yeah,
brother, I think. Do we have any

1551
01:41:57,630 --> 01:42:00,090
guests scheduled for the next
couple of weeks? What do we

1552
01:42:00,090 --> 01:42:04,230
have? Not scheduled. schedule so
many guests that I just gave us

1553
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:07,560
a breather? Yeah, that's good. I
as I said, I'd like just doing

1554
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,100
the two of us for a bit too.
It's also nice. Yeah. Yeah, I

1555
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:14,700
like that, too. I think we've
got some people we need to get

1556
01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:15,750
on the show, though.

1557
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,060
You know, and I'm going to try
to get back and get some guests

1558
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:24,240
here soon. But I figured we
could get like a guest. After we

1559
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:28,380
get back from the conference.
Yes. I'm very excited to be fun

1560
01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:31,980
to I mean, I've met you
obviously, I've met Eric but you

1561
01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:35,220
guys have never met in person.
Now that'll be fun. We have a

1562
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:38,910
lot of where we are very
popular. Got a lot of invites. A

1563
01:42:38,910 --> 01:42:43,860
lot of people want to be on our
dance card. Alright, so just

1564
01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:47,130
preparing you. It's gonna be the
Airbnb from hell, baby.

1565
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:50,190
The podcast index Airbnb.

1566
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:55,380
There's another isokon here that
I don't know what it is. I'm

1567
01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:58,710
gonna listen. Do you see that
one? Huh? Oh, I'm gonna listen.

1568
01:43:00,570 --> 01:43:01,770
That's Hillary. I don't know.

1569
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:04,800
I've been hauling around for a
few weeks.

1570
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:10,080
Anything else? Yeah, I think No,
that's it, man. It's been I

1571
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:13,110
know, you've been real busy with
with family stuff and work

1572
01:43:13,110 --> 01:43:14,460
stuff. And I'm in the middle of

1573
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:19,080
selling a house moving, you
know, buying a new house. How's

1574
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:23,220
it going? Okay. Actually, we we
have contracts both ways. So now

1575
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:28,290
it's nice. Yeah. Now it's the
data we need. We need

1576
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,560
everything. You've got your
statement from April, though.

1577
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:36,480
Why did this deposit come from?

1578
01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:40,620
Cuz now it's at the underwriter
and they're like, Hey, wait a

1579
01:43:40,620 --> 01:43:43,140
minute. You just Are you
borrowing money from someone

1580
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:44,130
else to make it look good?

1581
01:43:46,050 --> 01:43:52,620
Somehow you can have like a $25
billion back that comes out of

1582
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:56,490
nowhere. You can't have a single
deposit on your account in the

1583
01:43:56,490 --> 01:44:00,930
last three months to buy a house
that does that work. It's so

1584
01:44:00,930 --> 01:44:04,980
true. It's and you know, and
ever since Tina and I got

1585
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:07,230
together six years ago, we just
had our second wedding

1586
01:44:07,230 --> 01:44:07,950
anniversary.

1587
01:44:09,150 --> 01:44:13,350
Congrats. Thank you. She's She's
really taken over a number of

1588
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:17,850
things. She's she Marie Kondo
me. So now yeah. Oh, yeah. So

1589
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:20,940
everything's, we've got
everything down to the tee every

1590
01:44:20,940 --> 01:44:29,220
single thing you know. And messy
guy though. Is spotless. No, I

1591
01:44:29,220 --> 01:44:30,420
have hellholes.

1592
01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:31,950
Right.

1593
01:44:33,930 --> 01:44:37,380
When they're there, they're
restricted to one little spot.

1594
01:44:37,650 --> 01:44:40,050
Well, no, they're little ones
all over the place. When when

1595
01:44:40,050 --> 01:44:43,560
Tina and I moved in together and
then I moved out of my my

1596
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,350
apartment and we moved into the
apartment downtown together.

1597
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:52,170
And, you know, she found or we
found plastic bags are like big,

1598
01:44:52,230 --> 01:44:57,390
like shopping bags filled with
unopened envelopes, of bills and

1599
01:44:57,390 --> 01:44:59,940
all kinds of books and because,
you know, I was like, I'll get

1600
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,330
This is how I was I was like,
fuck it all paid in two weeks

1601
01:45:03,570 --> 01:45:06,600
and I was like little guy pay
right away this asshole pay and

1602
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,750
you know big guy now pay later.
And of course then the reminder

1603
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:12,600
comes in I pay that and I just
tossed the envelope beside and

1604
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,420
so she was like, Oh my god, are
these all unpaid bills?

1605
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:19,260
No, no, this is just how I've
been living anyway, so she she

1606
01:45:19,260 --> 01:45:22,620
took over everything we got. And
yet still they have things like,

1607
01:45:22,650 --> 01:45:25,860
oh, now we need this and you
know and lift your left nut and

1608
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,630
anyways, everyone knows what
that's like. It's just It's a

1609
01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:35,640
crazy right now because everyone
is busy. Yeah, title companies

1610
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:36,990
and it's just crazy. It's

1611
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:39,810
in the meantime, you know.

1612
01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:45,000
We forge forward. It's one of
the most exciting things I've

1613
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:49,590
ever been involved in. I'm so
blessed to be working with you

1614
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:52,800
with Eric with everybody at
podcast index. I'm sure you feel

1615
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:57,780
the same. It's it is just it is.
It is a labor of love. But we do

1616
01:45:57,780 --> 01:45:59,340
have we do have a strategy

1617
01:46:00,690 --> 01:46:04,080
in there somewhere. Yeah, if we
keep at it if we keep at it, and

1618
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,070
I think everything will be okay.
So remind everybody there's some

1619
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:11,610
cool new apps new podcast apps,
calm. Everyone should be trying

1620
01:46:11,610 --> 01:46:14,400
those out. podcasters hear me
now believe me, Nader you will

1621
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:14,610
leave.

1622
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:19,020
And we'll be back next Friday
with another edition of

1623
01:46:19,020 --> 01:46:23,130
podcasting 2.0 the board
meeting. Till then take care.

1624
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:23,460
Bye bye.

1625
01:46:39,930 --> 01:46:44,760
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1626
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:49,110
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