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podcasting 2.0 for August
6 2021, Episode 49 we got boots

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on the ground.

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Yeah, Friday once again,
progress never stops always

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rocking forward.

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Welcome to the board meeting of
podcasting 2.0 everything going

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on in podcast index.org podcast
index dot social. We got another

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good one for you. I'm Adam Curry
here in the heart of Hill

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Country, Texas and in Nashville,
Tennessee, in true live music

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capital of the world. My friend
on the other end, ladies and

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gentlemen, Mr. J. Jones.

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I figured out we did this whole
thing wrong. We did a whole

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podcast index the LLC, like
everything is wrong. What are we

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done that we screwed the
template up? The clearly the

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right way to, to introduce your
business into podcasting is to

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come in, survey the landscape.
Take a name that already exists.

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We should have called ourselves
blueberry back from the very

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beginning. All right.

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We just went in we make a port
and then we and we know we

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should have called her says
Lipson name, I should have

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claimed that and then we should
attach podcasting 2.0 to it and

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then denigrated the rest of the
industry and then expect

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everybody to love us. All right.
That's our show, everybody.

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Thanks. That's Dave sitting
there in Nashville, Tennessee

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podcast movement.

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Oh, my goodness, I cannot wait
to hear what's going on. You're

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in. You're in a hotel room right
now. And I might as well bring,

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bring the other guy in who's
sitting here right. I'm gassy

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and right there at the at the
table. podcasting advocate and

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educator award winning host of
the audacity to podcast creator

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of my podcast reviews, curator
of podcast industry insights,

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ladies and gentlemen, Daniel J.
Lewis. It is a pleasure to talk

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with you guys. And I came with
my own podcast intro tear. So

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can I do this? Yeah.

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The only guy in podcasting who
knows Adam Curry as the father

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of podcasting, and not some guy
with some kind of hair from some

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kind of music thing on TV. It's
Daniel J. Lewis. And

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it's like a foul Anna Anna when
at the same time somehow. So now

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this is really interesting to
have him go because Dave, you

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messaged me. So yeah, I got
Daniel J. Lewis on like, okay,

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so they got drunk in a bar. No
doubt something happened. How

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did how did you two guys wind up
together? This is this is good.

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Yeah, well, I've wanted to talk
with you guys on the show for a

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while and a big, big, big
advocate for podcasting. 2.0. In

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fact, I've gotten to some of the
vendors here at podcast

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movement. Before Dave did, and I
said to them, I'm gonna stick

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Dave Jones on you because you
need to hear more about how to

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incorporate some of these
features and why you need to

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Yeah, I get it. I get a stream
of text from, from Daniel like,

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Alright, you need to go talk to
this guy. Just talk to him. And

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then like, you know, like three
hours later, okay, now you need

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to talk to this guy. Cool, man.
It's like, he's the. He's the

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guy that goes to and tells the
soil before I get there.

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This is excellent. Because I'm
not there.

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That has a whole bunch of
reasons. One is I was tired.

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Like, I got to do Thursday show
and Friday show is like this.

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It's a weird middle of the week
show, which I think is odd. But

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it probably I don't know why but
it worked out.

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So have you seen the keynotes
when you alluded to the the Mark

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Cuban firesides thing chat? Did
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keynote tell me? I mean, I've
only read a little bit about it,

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that it was that you'd referred
to podcasting 1.0 and all kinds

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of interesting.

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quotes. I avoided it avoided it
out of protest of protest. Yeah,

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solidarity with Dan Dan banje.
course Of course. Yeah. But

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Daniel saw it, and he can give a
full review. Yeah. So I'm not

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sure if podcast movement knew
what to expect from Mark Cuban.

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And we've seen this kind of
thing happen before with New

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Media Expo and stuff where they
think a keynote speaker is going

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to present one thing and they
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else. So I don't know if podcast
movement knew that keynote would

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be basically one giant
commercial for fireside or

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kidding me. Did you know that
was? I mean, does anyone watch

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Shark Tank? Of course, this is
the whole thing was gonna be a

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pitch.

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Yeah. And it was and throughout
it, you would have been so upset

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if you were here. Throughout it.
He was saying that podcasting

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has not changed since it started
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there's no way you can know
information about your audience,

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and even ask the audience how
many of you are happy with the

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amount of data that you get
about your audience and I threw

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my hand way up. And I Kris
krumitz I was from pod fest was

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passing by and he said you
should stand up and shout which

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I should have said

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I didn't but no one else raised
their hand. I just thought What

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what? Are you guys wanting to
spy on your audience? What do

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you want from your audience? But
then that's where fireside is

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apparently that way and we're
talking about not Dan Benjamin's

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fireside. But so what it what is
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Because, okay, what is it? Well,
how does it work? And how is it

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connected to podcasting other
than you can publish whatever it

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is through libsyn? I mean,
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So what exactly is it? It's it's
really clubhouse with a 1990s

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interface. The interface is
really bad and you open it up,

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you can't see what people are
talking about. You can only see

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the pictures of the people who
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Right. Okay, so it's a it's a
bad clubhouse, which didn't work

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for podcasting. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. And apparently this is

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going to be the way to
revolutionize podcasting. I'm

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glad he never said podcasting to
point out he did say podcasting

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1.03 times, but never 2.0 I
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think he's kind of right,
podcasting hadn't changed. I'm

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just because he is not aware of
what we're doing doesn't mean

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that, you know, he, he can be
ignorant. So it hasn't changed.

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We've only started changing in
in less than a year.

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And, you know, I'm sure that his
whole ploy must have been some

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kind of monetization scheme.
Because otherwise, I mean, the

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the quote I read was podcasting.
1.0 the only way to make money

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is to lie, which I think is very
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I think it's kind of a good
quote. Because, yeah, statistics

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are very iffy in my book. So
what what's the what's the money

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thing that he was bringing to
the table? Yeah. How does he

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make money? Because I never
heard that part. What's the

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monetization strategy? I think
it's to be able to hold on Stop.

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Stop. Tip, Dave. Dave, did you
just say, Did I hear out of your

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mouth come the words? What's the
monetization strategy? Yeah,

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because you got to get get him
out of there. Get him out of

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Nashville.

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No, no, this is this is the wet
No, I'm talking. I'm embodying a

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douche. And talking and talking
as if I'm on the stage

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presenting whatever this thing
is. Okay. Surely he said. He

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said, here's the monetization
strategy. Yes. Okay. Tips. I

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think that's their idea. And it
seems like they think you're

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going to bring your entire
audience to listen live through

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fireside. And then there's some
button that you can press

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afterwards, publish your
fireside recording to your

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Lipson feed, and probably
eventually other providers as

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well. But that's what turns it
into a podcast, this is going to

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be a Hindenburg level of
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With the word monetization
strategy written on the side of

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the Hindenburg, this is not
going to well, it has my least

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favorite things in there. You
know, podcasters should not be

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working for tips.

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For tips, you want the app, he
launched the app, and it's just

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a bunch of people's faces, you
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then, like somebody, somebody
emailed me this morning, and

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said,

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Yes, supposed to be easy, but it
takes you through 15 steps when

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you sign up for it. He said I
bailed it step 12.

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So that's just clubhouse, and
it's and that didn't work. No

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one's interested in clubhouse
for podcasting anymore as as

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predicted. So what is the big
thing this year?

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What's everyone talking about?

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I don't know if there is one
thing that everybody's talking

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about. I haven't actually gone
to that many sessions. I've been

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mostly talking to the vendors
and the podcasters. Yeah. What

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are they talking about? What
what what is what's the vibe on

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the street? Come on? what's
what's you know, come on

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Huckleberry, what is the street
saying monetization strategy?

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monetization strategy? spreader
event. That's all that I ever

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hear at these conferences is,
how do I promote my podcast? And

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how do I make money from my
podcast? That's the kind of

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thing every podcaster wants? No,
no, no, only those who go to

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conferences.

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Not every not every podcaster
wants to make money. I disagree

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with that. That's not true. Lots
of people just do it. Because

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this is very much a super
spreader event. Absolutely. I

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mean, like, there's, you can see
the Delta floating around in the

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air here. You know, it's, it's,
it's rough. Alright, so now let

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me try this. Daniel, what do
people know about podcasting?

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2.0. And what do they know about
value for value? Just as you're

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talking to people, what do you
get the vibe that anyone knows

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what we're doing? So the primary
people I've been targeting for

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that have been the hosting
providers, like we've got

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blueberry Lipson buzzsprout. Red
Circle is even here and a couple

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other hosting providers, I think
so I've been asking them. Are

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you integrating this? what
features are you integrating

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And red circle brought up that
thing that this is going to

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trigger you, Adam. Oh, yes. And
well, one of the big apps does

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that, then we'll jump on board.
Yes. Okay. And and so I told

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them, no, you have the power,
you put this in your feeds, and

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then the big apps, we'll see,
well, we've got half a million

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podcasts, publishing with this
new data, we should probably

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support this. But I talked with
Tom from buzzsprout, talking

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about podcaster wallet idea of
when buzz cow sprout could do to

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offer their customers as well as
even get a small portion from

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what the wallet brings in. And
he was getting really excited

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about that. Because he's, he's
totally on board with the idea

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of value for value. Because,
yeah, the micropayments giving a

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podcaster $5, where the
podcaster only ends up seeing at

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best for 50. From that, because
of all the fees that most of

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these payment processors have
that isn't best. Yeah, yes.

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Usually, mostly, I would say
it's lower than that actually

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more like 325 Yeah, yeah, I was
thinking 350. Yeah. But if you

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can do something where you've
got $5 worth of satoshis, and

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you're giving your favorite
podcast, or even if it's only

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five cents per episode worth of
satoshis It's so accessible,

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that if 1000 people from your
audience are giving you five

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cents per episode, you're making
$50 an episode. And it's super

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easy for them, it's convenient
for them. And they're able to do

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the same thing for all of their
other favorite podcasts when

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they load up their wallet. And
Tom was really excited about

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that, you know, you know, it
really brought it home for me

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because you know, the value for
value model is well known.

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Although it kind of, I would say
Patreon tried to automate it in

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a way but they they screwed it
up because they didn't leave it

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as open as it should be like,
you should just be able to

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determine per episode, what you
want to do.

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What's really bringing this
around is these damn booster

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grams, there's two things coming
into my email in the morning, I

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see booster grams, which are
just so much fun. I mean, so

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that right there in a handy
format ready to be read back on

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the show is a donation with a
message and they're very short.

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For some reason the booster gram
even just calling it a booster

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gram, people aren't writing very
long donation notes, which is

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good. And the other one is like
the daily and weekly income

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report that all of a sudden, our
podcast index node started

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sending me Dave, that's excited
just happened. They were

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spontaneous magic. And it just
decided and so he was like this,

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this is better than PayPal. I
mean, it's like boom, here's

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what came in. Boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom, like holy crap. And

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then of course if you just go to
the wallet and you see every

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minute

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clip every minute something's
coming in it How long has it

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been since you clicked boost?

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That's too long. Exactly. You
got to be boosting got to be

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boosted now it's man is Hill
Country, it is some magic, some

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magic that is taking place here.
And I can I can understand

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everyone gets excited when you
see that. It's a very visual

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thing that made a big difference
with with people even me I was

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talking with Mitch from pod
verse. So we were I was showing

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him the the the income that the
lightning node of our lightning

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node. And we were just doing
some and showing him the Daily

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Report. So we just did some like
quick napkin math for for pod

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verse the app. And because he
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we need this much to to break
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much to you know, pay, we have
police from lawyers fees that we

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need to do for business, you
know, all the typical stuff that

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LLCs and stuff have to deal
with, in in the hosting easily.

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He's like it's X number of
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did. And I'm like, so I whipped
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lightning node. And we're just
looking at Okay, if 1% is

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flowing through podcasting right
now, then in this is what our

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node represents. Then let's just
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if Bob first decided to take 5%
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mark that up. And it was like at
current levels. He knew that he

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would have a salary. It will he
would cut he would he would

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completely cover the hosting
fee. Yeah. Well, and I was the

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dentist then after that it's all
gravy I was looking at at our

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daily income report. And I know
that our our daily nut for the

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servers is like 12 bucks, isn't
it something like that, like 10

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or $12 is tip is somewhere.

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It's somewhere in the 10 to $13
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sets or we're almost $13. So
that's now a perpetual motion

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machine. But more exciting is
20 215 transactions, which is a

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nice amount so we're that's them
everyone else probably saw

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220 215 transactions I've got
Did you see the weekly? Yes,

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that email. Yeah, but you know
what, what's most interesting to

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The number of transactions and
SATs per transactions per app.

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Right? So that breakdown is
really helpful. Oh, my goodness.

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So you see that breeze is really

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the highest amount of SATs but

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number two on transactions and
swings you can see that they are

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number two in a set amount. But
they're number one in

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transactions, you know because
and we know that swings is kind

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of a default and people let it
sit there three or something

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something like that, or 10 or
something like that. They never

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really never really changed it.
He just looked at this as like

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wow. And everyone showing up on
the chart pod verse fountain,

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Curio caster this new app called
unknown, which I'm very excited

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about. Everybody loves the best
app ever.

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Basically, fireside

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pod friends on there. Yeah, five
5701 stats and 160 transactions.

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It's just I mean, when you see
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yesterday, what the email that
we're looking at is shows 45,326

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SAS that came in in the last 24
hours to the index. So like at

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current market rate of Bitcoin,
which is you know, it's a little

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high based on this average over
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Now, that's before show days,
you're gonna have some booster

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grams and that kind of thing.
But what you know what we're

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seeing on average,

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got

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to be I'm tired, but this is the
same stuff that we're going to

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be able to offer all podcasters
is this this kind of service

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where you get this daily email,
you get a weekly email, you can

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see where it's coming from, you
get your booster grams, this is

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exciting. It's really exciting
talking to Tom Rossi from

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buzzsprout. About that was
getting him really excited. I

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was saying, I think the hosting
providers should step up and

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provide wallets for all of their
customers. And in fact do it

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automatically for everyone. So
like buzzsprout is known for

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being really good at sending out
congratulations and milestone

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achievement are very good.
They're very good at

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communicating absolutely like so
I told them why if for every

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podcast on your platform, you
have a wallet set up for them

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already. So it's already able to
receive Bitcoin and already

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receiving it from some of these
different places. So when it

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reaches a particular threshold,
then you send out an email to

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your customer saying,
congratulations. You have

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already earned Bitcoin from your
podcast. Here's how to comply

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Ah, nice one. Yeah, with little
stars jumping off the email to

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ding ding ding. Congratulations.
You've you you have money. And

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you have money waiting for you.
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when we first were concepting
the idea. We talked about that

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didn't we day, we talked about
it just basically giving every

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single every single podcast in
the index. format, no idea. We

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were gonna create 4 million
wallets. And we thought about it

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for a long time. I said, Yeah,
even if, if people vote $1 into

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a couple of those wallets, he
can be a pretty big

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responsibility to

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housing all that. So that's a
good idea. You're doing the

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Lord's work. Daniel J. I love
that, man. Thank you. Really

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appreciate it. That's very cool.
Dave, I mean, you get the same

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vibe from everybody. Yeah, I
mean, everybody, it has been

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really interesting to talk to
the pod chaser guys, yesterday,

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had a chance to talk to Cole
Raven, and tell him about like,

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because we've worked with them
together like on the namespace

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in order to finalize the
taxonomy, integration with the

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person tag, and that kind of
thing. But just like with the

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Bitcoin conference, in Miami,
you can do all this stuff

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remotely. But if you have a
chance to your head, you can

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accomplish more in 10 minutes of
face time than you can in three

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months of back and forth on a
GitHub repo. That's absolutely

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true. Absolutely. Yeah. Being
able to just talk to these guys

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and get and by the way, Todd
Cochran, that guy's a maniac.

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He's got stories of man like it,
he he's a Navy guy. So then, you

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know, he has of course he has
stories. He's he's been around

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man. He's been registered from
RSS calm was going and he's

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like, please tell us the story.
I just like, one story. And I

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was like, man, I can't do it. I
can't tell you this. You know, I

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can't tell you that. shoot you,
you know, classified.

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classified. Yeah. Who else who
else was there that we know that

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we've been working with?

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Oh, Tom, Tom and Kevin from
buzzsprout. Departure chaser

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guys, blueberry, Todd, and Mike
from blueberry.

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Lips lips in got Dave Jackson
roblin Greenleaf and Lipson.

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Gosh. I mean, just every man
pretty much everybody is good to

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get to just just say, you know,
say hi neighbor also met a

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couple of guys that are
developing a new app.

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I don't know if they have
Republic yet. I won't say the

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name but there

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developing a new app and
podcasting 2.0 value for value

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compatible? They're pulling in
they're wanting they're gonna

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pull it all in. So exciting.
Yeah, so that it's just like

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getting it was a it was a good
thing to be here. I mean I'm

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exhausted but it was a good
thing to be I'm really happy

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when it was a little easier for
you because you could just drive

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very happy when I'm appreciative
too because I know that those

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those days they just drag you
down man you just dead at the

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end of the day. Yeah, they the
late night drinking and all that

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so it is it'll keep your
receipts. Yeah.

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It's amazing like you bought you
by Daniel J. Lewis one, you

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know, one drink and he also he's
like a consultant.

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Daniel, how about hardware man
is the app

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once again I looked at the

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the road caster pro I'm like,
oh, man, if only they could do a

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few more things that would be
just perfect. They haven't quite

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gotten it to where I needed
they're missing a noise gate on

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the USB channel. Do they have
anything new to anyone have

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anything cool like an all in
one? road isn't here.

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Unfortunately, there are several
road caster pros represented

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here. Like BSW has them along
with several microphones. And

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there's microphone
manufacturers. There. Our focus

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right is here with their
interfaces. They're fantastic

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things. And there are some
things coming like MX l as a

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couple of new microphones coming
in that they're targeting at

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toward podcasters dynamic
microphones designed for

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podcasters to be affordable
small compact with pretty nice,

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like one of them actually looks
like if you just shrunk the RV

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320 down and squashed it in a
little bit. That looks like one

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of the new MX l mics

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doesn't. I thought that there
also was an actual squash down

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version of this. somewhere that
that

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electro voice makes I thought I
could be they have a booth here

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with several of their
microphones you can try out

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there. There are some cool
things coming. But I can't talk

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about them.

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If you were here

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Did you have to swear in blood
and do a little decoder ring

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thing and secret handshake to
recording? Just let me ask Okay,

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I get to ask a couple questions.
Is it a recording device? Is it

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a podcast? It does include a
mixer? I'm not gonna play Todd

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Cochran here. I can't say
anything about it.

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You know, and it's funny,
because and I guess now the news

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is out to James Boggs from Apple
left. Yeah, we knew this. What

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Dave four weeks ago? Yeah, we
kept our mouth shut. But we also

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didn't tease anybody. Like, I
know, I have a secret. I know

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who's got kicked out of that
job. Which I don't know if

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that's true, but

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Okay, yeah. That I mean,

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you had to think there would be
some shake up I hate. I hate

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that it was him. But or if you
know, if it was but you you got

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to think is one or two things
either, either. It was his idea.

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And they didn't like the
execution. And no matter someone

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had to burn for the execution of
that have that change, I mean,

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that someone had to burn for
that. Or he was really against

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it and said and in disgust is
gone, which I kind of hope that

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he were like, this is this is
lame, I'm out, I'm gonna do

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something else. And none of the
apple guys are here. I mean,

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Steve, formerly of Apple is
here. But like Ted and some of

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the other developers and such
from Apple, Apple has said no to

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any travel now because of new
COVID concerns. So no one from

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Apple is here. And I think
that's why a lot of other

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vendors and attendees had to
cancel almost last minute as

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well, because of just your over
COVID stuff. Now, Was there

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anyone who said hey, I want this
I want in on this podcasting?

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2.0

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Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, like
lots of guys. I mean, they're

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like, pod pod chaser. Hey, they
were talking to me like

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podcasters. Do you mean a
podcasters? Who are saying,

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Yeah, this is cool. I gotta do
this now fact. So the fast

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follow thing. There is a perfect
example of fast follow here at

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the conference, podcast movement
conference app has its own

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camera, and all of our badges
have QR codes on them. So

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instead of exchanging business
cards, what you do is inside of

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the podcast movement app, you
scan someone else's badge, and

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it instantly connects you to
them, shares your contact

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information, adds you to your
contacts, adds them to the

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contacts inside of the app so
you can quickly see who did you

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talk to, you can't make a note
on someone but you can exchange

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messages back and forth and we
can give them a one to five star

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rating. But it's a great

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way you can rate people to
social you got social credit

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score going on, though.

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Like, what do you in the black
mirror? That guy's one star?

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Really? Now I can you see your
own abuse on the red social

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distance button stay six feet
away from me and they can't get

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close enough to give to give you
your work. Now if you scan

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someone's code as a pop up how
many stars they have, what their

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rating is? I don't float above
their head, does it float above

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their head and little number of
stars? Wow. Wow, that's really

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interesting example. So talking,
I was talking with a perfect

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example of another reason I'm
not there. That's what that is

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perfect example. Wow, that's
pretty outrageous. It's fast

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follow where someday I'll be
able to open my overcast app and

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say, here's a great podcast. You
shouldn't listen to this here.

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Open your podcast app now, which
could be pod verse while I'm

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using overcast? No, I see. I
think that's happening. And it's

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interesting you say that because
QR codes all of a sudden have

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the same obsession I have with
it. I really despise them during

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you know, last year with COVID.
And there were no menus in the

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restaurant and and invariably,
there were some that just didn't

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work with my scanner, like how
just whatever. But now, it's

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like I find myself and I figured
out that Chrome or brave, you

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can right click and pops up a QR
code, which is great. If just

437
00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:25,950
want to get a URL on your phone
built in. I was showing it to

438
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:28,230
Tina, she's like, Oh, that's
kind of cool. Boom. So that

439
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:28,920
works great.

440
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,590
It's Yeah, I'm seeing more of
this. And it really came to me

441
00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:39,150
more with the with the lightning
invoices. And with anyone with

442
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:43,650
with with Bitcoin addresses I
really had. I really thought QR

443
00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:48,000
codes were just a stupid
gimmicky thing for, you know,

444
00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:51,240
Madison Avenue types, but
there's real functionality to

445
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,660
it. I'm surprised. I was wrong.
I'm very surprised by this.

446
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:59,250
Yeah, I'm really thankful that
Steven, Steven bill, like took

447
00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,400
that took that thing by the
horns and ran with it, and just

448
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:05,700
just got something out there.
He's like, because that's the

449
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,730
one thing that frustrates me is
you talk about a spec, talk

450
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:11,820
about a spec, talk about a
spout. Well, if you're creating

451
00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:16,230
a spec from from from scratch
date that is not doesn't exist

452
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:19,740
in the world yet. You know that
you're not going to get rapid

453
00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:23,220
adoption, like within, you know,
everybody's not going to do fast

454
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,850
follow QR codes in a week,
right? So you've got time to

455
00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:29,910
just like, throw something out
there, play with it a little

456
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:34,260
bit. See what good is see what's
good, what's bad, you know? And

457
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:37,650
then you're gonna have some some
runway plenty of runway where

458
00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:39,540
everybody can say, Oh, well, I
don't like this. Let's change.

459
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,210
Let's change this back. So I
think it's great to just have

460
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:43,890
the thing out there and see if
it works.

461
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:49,560
leaking. We'll find out speaking
of Stephen B. So he sent me some

462
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:55,320
super secret URL. And there was
I was looking at podcasting 2.0

463
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,160
and Curio caster, and there was
a button. I said add episode.

464
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,210
Oh, he's doing Oh, yeah. So
boom, add episode. And I'm

465
00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:09,690
typing in the, in this editor,
and it's showing up right there

466
00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:14,220
in the in the episode list
already is really in dad's we're

467
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:18,480
interesting feelings like Oh,
okay. You know, because that's,

468
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:21,060
the whole point of the
experience is that you can

469
00:28:21,060 --> 00:28:24,090
preview everything. So I don't
know how he's going to do with

470
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:27,540
chapters and all that stuff. But
yeah, we'll get to that. But

471
00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:30,600
yeah, he's, he's, he's doing it
on his lunch break.

472
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:35,970
Man, if he just if you if you
build the feed, and build all

473
00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:37,950
that stuff, and build the
associated chapters, 1000

474
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:40,290
transcripts, and that kind of,
or whatever you're gonna do, you

475
00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:44,550
build that feed out. And then
you have us hook into like, the

476
00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:48,870
hosting API and publish, give it
to them publish and publish. And

477
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:49,260
the

478
00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:52,050
authors are gonna say,

479
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,630
I know it's such a it's such a
mind Bender, when you when you

480
00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:00,360
see it in front of you when
you're doing it. It's like,

481
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:04,320
okay, yeah, this in a weird way
makes sense. You can pre knew

482
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,470
the whole idea is you can
preview everything, okay? I like

483
00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:11,790
the title. I'm looking at the at
the show notes, chapters,

484
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:12,630
presumably,

485
00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:16,890
you know, maybe I've already
linked in the transcript and all

486
00:29:16,890 --> 00:29:20,460
this stuff, and then you preview
and then you hit publish, and

487
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:24,990
God has done and it's it's
always the import though. That's

488
00:29:24,990 --> 00:29:28,500
where everything goes wrong.
That's where Martin had a huge

489
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:32,610
trouble with wasn't really
importing, but it kind of was

490
00:29:33,630 --> 00:29:36,510
cast upon I think, I think we
still have trouble with

491
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:41,040
importing on cast apod that's
where it breaks to the creating

492
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,330
from fresh feed. Almost everyone
does it beautifully. But when

493
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:49,080
you have to import some old
crap, it's there's so much going

494
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,190
on in show notes and images and
URLs and who knows what else and

495
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
things just break. It's really
hard to do.

496
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:59,970
And I see some enthusiasm and

497
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,540
The new chapters to like someone
was asking, Well, how is that

498
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,660
really different from editing
the chapters in the 83 tags? And

499
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,900
well, they kind of answered
their own question by telling

500
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,900
me, one of the only reasons why
I used a Mac was for a while,

501
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,560
that was the only way to put
chapters. Right file right into

502
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,980
the file itself. Yeah. And now
there's some other ways, but

503
00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,800
still, it's just like on the
web, you have a database for

504
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,860
your content, you have CSS for
your styling and design, you

505
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:28,380
have the HTML or whatever is
generating that for the

506
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:32,250
structure, you have JavaScript
for the behavior. In podcasting,

507
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,680
that's now what we're doing with
the chapters is that we're

508
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,250
moving chapters to their own
thing where you can then update

509
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:41,670
them, correct them, add to them,
after you've published the

510
00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:44,970
episode, which could be really
important for many people, like

511
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:49,200
if they have maybe a baked in
AD, that they have a chapter

512
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080
display during that ad with the
link. Well, then when maybe

513
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,830
their sponsorship with that
ends, maybe they're allowed to

514
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:59,190
change that link to their
affiliate. So continue earning

515
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,160
money. You know, someone sent me
someone sent me a was back and

516
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,190
forth on Twitter, and they said,
Hey, I can't get your chapters

517
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:10,980
to work in antenna pod. I'm
like, Okay, well, does antenna

518
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:15,390
pod support chapter said, Yeah,
look, here's, here's the Fox

519
00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:20,010
News Sunday podcast. And there's
the chapters. And like, this is

520
00:31:20,010 --> 00:31:24,690
weird. And so I go take a look
at the RSS feed. And they're

521
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:30,960
using the pod love simple
chapters namespace. Yeah. What

522
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,920
is this? You didn't know about
that? No. Maybe? I forgotten

523
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,240
about it, maybe? Well, the pod
left spec. It was a chapter spec

524
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,050
that goes in the feed. And so
it's just a it's basically the

525
00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:45,300
chapters are defined in the XML.

526
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:51,090
Yes, we Yeah, we looked at that
at the beginning. And the reason

527
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:53,670
that we ended up moving it into
its own JSON file,

528
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:58,920
it gets sideloaded is because is
for a couple of reasons. You can

529
00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:04,080
you number one, you can take all
that stuff out of the feed, so

530
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560
that the feed itself is not so
large, right, which is what we

531
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,830
like, right? Well, if you
imagine if you're a host, and

532
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:17,100
you have 100,000 podcast, yeah,
if every for every kilobyte that

533
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,460
you add to the feed, I mean,
you're jacking you're hosting

534
00:32:20,490 --> 00:32:24,870
your CDN fees way up. So that
that was number one. They also

535
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:28,500
don't have a very rich, it's
just a start time title. And

536
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:32,640
that's it. Yeah. And so and
then, as you and then when you

537
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,970
move it, also, when you move it
to the outside, you can change

538
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:40,470
the chapters file without having
to regenerate the feed. So you

539
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:44,520
don't invalidate the cash on the
feed. Just by editing something

540
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800
in the chapter file. Who's
talking about there's a lot of

541
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,140
wind Sure, who's talking to pod
love.

542
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:55,440
pod love is part of our mastodon
stuff like a couple guys. Right.

543
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,510
But are they doing other cloud
chapters?

544
00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:02,610
Yeah, they're, they're, they're
doing a lot of peer to peer 2.0

545
00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,760
features. Okay, well, because it
doesn't show up in this in this

546
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,300
feed. Well, because that's
that's just that was just their

547
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:15,150
spec. Anybody could implement
the potluck. Sorry, of course. I

548
00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:19,170
gotcha. Oh, my gosh. So this is
Omni Omni.

549
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:24,420
What are they? Why don't they
just support JSON chapters?

550
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:30,300
Exactly. Exactly. They they
obviously know how to do data

551
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,880
space, they understand the
namespace they're invested in

552
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:39,030
chapters is do what seems like a
simple simple adaptation as the

553
00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:41,250
Omni here, are they are they
here?

554
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,960
I don't think so. Because
Because ami you're talking about

555
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,650
the hosting company. Yeah.
Students in Australia. And

556
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,320
someone died in Australia. So
they locked down the country

557
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,770
ago. Yeah, that's right. The
horse suckers.

558
00:33:56,970 --> 00:34:01,110
The that's that's another thing
that has been impossible to keep

559
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:05,700
track of at this conference is
knowing who owns who. I mean,

560
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,190
like literally, the only way I
can survive is by looking at

561
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:09,960
this. This pod scape

562
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,730
chart. This shows you who all
who owns who, because I would be

563
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:18,630
saying something like, Oh yeah,
well, this host or this, you

564
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,360
know, company. And they were
like, Oh, well, that's really

565
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,660
just that's, that's really Vox
Nast because they own this, who

566
00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:27,930
owns this? Who owns this? And
I'm like, Oh my god, what is

567
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:31,380
this chart? You're talking
about? The pod scape? Yeah,

568
00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:34,770
Magellan AI puts out this thing
through sounds profitable called

569
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:41,100
the 2021 pod scape. And it just,
it's, it's like a list of, of

570
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:45,510
it's a it's a big chart of who
owns who and podcasting. And

571
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:50,010
it's quite entertaining to look
at. Okay, let's just call this.

572
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:52,440
Oh, it's like it's almost like
one of those mainstream media

573
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,510
charts. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Like, you know, ABC. Disney owns

574
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:58,590
ABC who's right?

575
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
I see that Yeah. Oh my goodness
was a bunch of wherever it

576
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,270
wherever they're in the right
under independent apps and web

577
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:06,840
players

578
00:35:08,309 --> 00:35:13,049
just just put a big l on losers
over here. Losers over there

579
00:35:13,049 --> 00:35:16,139
stand to the right that's the
that's the not cool kids table

580
00:35:16,139 --> 00:35:20,069
sit over there in that little
box. Interesting on honored to

581
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:23,669
be in the losers Yeah, yeah yeah
we'll share our lunch with each

582
00:35:23,669 --> 00:35:27,119
other We don't need that we
don't need the Mean Girls. Also

583
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,659
somebody who I didn't see here
is anchor Spotify, none of that.

584
00:35:30,869 --> 00:35:33,449
No Spotify presence that's
interesting. I don't guess they

585
00:35:33,479 --> 00:35:36,659
do they ever participate. They
have in the past. Yeah, but they

586
00:35:36,659 --> 00:35:39,449
weren't here this time. I don't
know why maybe COVID concerns

587
00:35:39,449 --> 00:35:42,839
again. So what's the what's the
learning? what's the takeaway

588
00:35:42,839 --> 00:35:44,429
from podcast movement?

589
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,870
my takeaway is that everybody
that I thought was cool, is

590
00:35:51,870 --> 00:35:57,060
actually cool. And everybody
that did, I thought was forward

591
00:35:57,060 --> 00:36:01,290
thinking actually is, and it
helps to actually get to sit

592
00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:05,010
down with them in person and
work some stuff out. And then

593
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,380
also, there's a lot of people.

594
00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:11,250
There's a lot of people that if
you can just spend five minutes

595
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:15,630
with them, and get in Talk, talk
things out. It's a whole lot

596
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,140
more effective than trying to
just send cold emails and stuff.

597
00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:25,530
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The the not
the face, the FaceTime, yes. But

598
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:28,830
sort of like, getting to have
quick interactions and explain

599
00:36:28,830 --> 00:36:31,500
things and show like flip your
phone around and show them

600
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,740
something. It's like, it makes a
big difference. Daniel, how

601
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:35,160
about you?

602
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:39,930
I've just loved being here,
because it's been a while since

603
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,780
being around other people, of
course, and just being around

604
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,840
other podcasters. And after
going through a lot of personal

605
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,560
stuff in my life, just being
around a supportive community is

606
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,430
really good. So what I'm getting
out of this most is just being

607
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:57,480
encouragement, the camaraderie
in podcasting. Yeah. Which is,

608
00:36:57,510 --> 00:37:00,540
which is how it felt in the
beginning as well. I'm sure many

609
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,780
times I haven't been to all that
any I stopped going at a certain

610
00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:04,110
point.

611
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,520
But there's always camaraderie.
It's always nice to see familiar

612
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,700
faces, how people are
progressing, and also how things

613
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,910
haven't changed. It is
comforting in a weird way.

614
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,090
Yeah, I mean, you

615
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:21,270
one thing I want to bring up
those you were going to talk

616
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:24,240
last week about Spotify
earnings. Did you get Do you

617
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,480
have any of that? Or do you want
to? You know, I that next week?

618
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:29,850
Yeah, we'll probably do a dug
into it. Yeah, I did. We'll

619
00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:31,470
probably do it next week. But

620
00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:35,310
the reporting, the way I would
report the story is very

621
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:37,920
differently from the way it
showed up. But I think we kind

622
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,640
of knew that from the way the
headlines were crafted. But I'd

623
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,950
say it's, you know, the more I,
the more I saw the TLDR. And I

624
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:52,350
didn't talk too long I didn't
read is we have a lot of power.

625
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:59,790
And just because Spotify can buy
some people, it's it's almost

626
00:37:59,790 --> 00:38:02,610
irrelevant. It's like, here's
one that we'll talk about next

627
00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:08,250
week. But I was just watching
Glenn Greenwald. I'm a big fan

628
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,740
of fan of Glenn Greenwald. I
like like what he's doing. And I

629
00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:11,790
always like what he's done.

630
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,280
And so now, you know, he's, he
has, he's really left the

631
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,660
intercept, which he started,

632
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,860
which was kind of his first
venture into, I can show you how

633
00:38:22,860 --> 00:38:27,420
to do it better. And he wound up
leaving his own his own

634
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:30,090
publication, because they
wouldn't publish a piece of his

635
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:33,330
for whatever reason, which I
think was purely political. And

636
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:37,950
that's the inference. So now
he's starting his own network of

637
00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:42,540
people on substack. And I think
that will do podcast as well.

638
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:46,380
And, and I said to Tina, and I
know, she didn't quite get what

639
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:50,880
I was driving at. But it's like,
Why? Why do people who are

640
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,260
really good at what they do? Why
do they think they need to now

641
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,100
build a network? And Tim Poole
is doing this, why does Tim

642
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:02,310
Poole need to have a network?
It's, it's, it's like, I don't

643
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:06,330
have a headache. Please give me
a migraine on a daily basis.

644
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:11,190
It's really odd. It's, you know,
it's and that goes for all

645
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:14,460
podcasters. I've never seen a
real benefit come out of a

646
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:18,750
network, what I've seen is a
great benefit to doing as much

647
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:23,460
yourself as you possibly can,
and networking, and if

648
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:26,520
appropriate, appearing on other
podcasts. And, you know, that's

649
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,350
a great way that is, in my mind
the way when another podcast

650
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:34,530
talks about me, that whole
audience is exposed to one click

651
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:38,730
away from me. That's that's how
it should be working. And this

652
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,400
was there a lot of network talk
was because that I've seen that

653
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,180
at many of these conferences and
join our network, and we'll help

654
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,220
you monetize. Was there any of
that going on?

655
00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:51,660
There's a little bit yeah, like,
there's a women's Podcast

656
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:56,430
Network and a couple others who
are, who say they have podcast

657
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:58,980
networks and I used to run a
podcast network and I always

658
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:00,000
tell people, my friends

659
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,870
Advice for starting a podcast
network is don't Yeah, my second

660
00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:06,300
advice is don't do it unless
you're ready to run a business.

661
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:09,930
And my third advice is make sure
everything on the network makes

662
00:40:09,930 --> 00:40:13,860
sense to be associated with each
other. Because that's where you

663
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:16,740
get the benefits of the podcast
network. Like you look at

664
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:19,890
something like, what's the real
benefit? But what's the real

665
00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:24,390
benefit? Daniel, what is the
benefit to be on a network? The

666
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:27,690
biggest benefit really
monetizing? Well, let's take

667
00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:31,380
podcasting 2.9. That's a bad
example. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I

668
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:36,150
interrupted you what is the
benefit? It's in cross promoting

669
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:38,970
similar podcasts, sharing
audiences and having the

670
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:41,880
leverage of a much bigger
community, which you can get

671
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,730
when your podcasts are very
similar, like look at horse

672
00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:48,720
radio network, where all of the
podcasts are about horses. So if

673
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,990
one person listens to one
podcast from that network, and

674
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:55,800
that podcast is saying, check
out this other podcast from the

675
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,740
network, because it's also about
horses, but this is their take,

676
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:01,890
or this is their approach to
this, then that helps grow the

677
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:05,940
network grow the community.
There are but how does how does

678
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,610
the network? How does the
network make money from that?

679
00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:12,510
Yeah, the network making money?
That's where it does become more

680
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:14,970
difficult, because I know you
say, you can't monetize the

681
00:41:14,970 --> 00:41:18,450
network. Yeah, you. It's very
difficult. It is possible, but

682
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:22,620
it's difficult. And it's it's
best if all of your podcasts are

683
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,170
similar, because then using the
horse radio network, for

684
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:29,310
example, if you have a sponsor
who has horse products, you can

685
00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:32,340
say, hey, instead of getting on
this one podcast, how about we

686
00:41:32,340 --> 00:41:36,030
put you on these 30 podcasts we
have that are all about horses

687
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:39,570
all have your ideal audience.
And even if the same person is

688
00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:43,050
listening to all 30 of your
podcasts, then they'll hear your

689
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:47,940
ad spot 30 times instead of just
once on one pot, ad spot. Okay,

690
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:51,360
there it is. But you could just
buy ads on those other on those

691
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,530
other podcasts. I, I understand
what you're saying. I think it

692
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:57,930
doesn't, you don't need to have
a network because the network is

693
00:41:57,930 --> 00:42:00,420
what makes it different.
complicated. The network then

694
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:03,240
has overhead, the network has to
do

695
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,490
no centralized functions, the
network has to schedule promos.

696
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:11,730
And then in here's where it
that's where it always starts to

697
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:15,390
go wrong. It's like well, you
know, I didn't hear my promo on

698
00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:18,810
the number one podcast on the
network this week. Why not? Why

699
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:21,180
is the why is that person? Well,
it's not your turn. Okay. But I

700
00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:23,640
got some special this week. And
I'd like okay, we'll do a

701
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,250
special thing for you. Hey, how
come we got to jump the line?

702
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:29,730
And by the way, I'm not seeing
as many ads as the other podcast

703
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:31,620
over here. The other bigger
audience? Yes. Because you're

704
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,040
promoting him more. I mean, I've
heard this so many times.

705
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:41,430
So I guess that's just a
personal thing. I'm thinking

706
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:44,400
about like, networks just don't
make any make sense anymore. And

707
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040
I'm seeing people make, I think
the same mistake over and over

708
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,300
again, join a network, why I can
understand a group of people who

709
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,570
want to get together and share
ideas. So if you have a women's

710
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,500
interest group, and they're in
there, but you know, I don't

711
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:01,830
think you have to have a landing
page. You know, whose top left

712
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:07,800
whose top right, I've heard it
all. It's anyway. Yeah, that's

713
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,770
back to maybe. Oh, and pause?
Yes, yes. Yeah, I have the

714
00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:11,760
scars, man.

715
00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:16,320
I'm trying to stop people from
hurting themselves.

716
00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:20,550
Like we were talking about spot,
you know, like Spotify brought,

717
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,400
brought that whole thing up. And
one of the things that I heard,

718
00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:27,870
you know, multiple times here so
far from people is spot is this

719
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:28,440
sort of

720
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,680
feeling that what's happening is
Spotify is that the broad

721
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:41,970
monetization is not working. And
of like, taking, let's just say,

722
00:43:41,970 --> 00:43:45,390
2 million shows or whatever they
have, to me in podcast, and

723
00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:49,860
abroad, monetization, quote,
unquote, thing is not, it's just

724
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:53,700
not panning out. So people are
looking for looking for YouTube

725
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,370
money that, you know, I got a
couple bucks here, a couple

726
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:59,610
bucks there because someone
stumbled onto an algo and click

727
00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:04,740
my video for 15 seconds in the
hole. And only because it's not

728
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:09,570
really working in the volumes
that you would think back when

729
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:14,100
they started pouring money into
it is that the end result is

730
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:19,530
that Joe Rogan color Daddy, all
these like these top sort of top

731
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:23,220
five top three shows where you
get all the ads, they get

732
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:25,950
everything. Again, they get the
whole, they get the whole kit

733
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:29,400
and caboodle. They get 98% of it
and the left and the remaining

734
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,610
2% is left to be spread out over
a million and a half other shows

735
00:44:32,730 --> 00:44:35,760
what I'm hearing and I'd love to
next time you have a chance to

736
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,580
ask you kids, but I think I
currently know what they'll say.

737
00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:42,270
It's like all the kids that I
know. And when I say kids, you

738
00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:47,310
know that's relative to my age.
Yeah, but the Instagram sucks on

739
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:51,060
Instagram. Spotify sucks and it
stuck. And one of the main

740
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:55,650
reasons there's two reasons one,
I paid for premium and I still

741
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:59,970
hear ads. A lot of people as
proof especially with Rogan or

742
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:04,350
And the second thing is, they
rip off artists, and they're

743
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:05,850
going to rip off podcasters,
too.

744
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:08,160
I hear a lot of that.

745
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:11,940
And we know from clips that you
brought to the show that they,

746
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:16,050
they find it they, and this is
the arrogance of it like, Well,

747
00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:18,300
you know, you're a musician, you
should be lucky that you're just

748
00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:20,970
able to travel through our
pipes, the fact that you think

749
00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:24,960
you deserve to be paid anything
is crazy. That was their thing.

750
00:45:25,110 --> 00:45:26,400
Like we're giving you exposure.

751
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120
I'm not sure who ever I'm not
sure who thought that whole

752
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:36,210
thing through that. And I mean,
specifically, who was it that

753
00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:40,200
brought that brought this idea
forward? Let's, let's get Rogan.

754
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,200
And he'll be the cash cow. But
we're still going to put the ads

755
00:45:46,830 --> 00:45:51,660
into for even for premium,
Premium subscribers, they're

756
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:54,330
gonna get no ads anywhere else.
But if they want to listen to

757
00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:59,130
Rogen, they get ads, like, how
did they? How do you bring that

758
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:02,610
idea to fruition and not think
it's going to alienate people

759
00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:05,910
and make people irritated, I
think I can help a little bit

760
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:09,210
with that. They know, you have
to go back to the roots of

761
00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:13,140
Spotify. Spotify started as a
peer to peer music sharing

762
00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:17,700
system. And they grew really
fast. And you know, if you

763
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,940
recall, Vimeo, you had a cache
on your drive. And that was your

764
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:23,910
Spotify music that you were in
essence, the minute you fire up

765
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:26,610
your computer, you were sharing
with everybody else. And they

766
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:29,910
really prided themselves on, you
know how fast the music would

767
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:32,670
come in, you could play it in
real time, you could start to

768
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:37,290
stream it. And they got so big,
they were kind of off the radar

769
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:41,190
being from Sweden. And then they
had to pay the piper. And so

770
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:45,030
then they had to either go
legit, and start paying. And

771
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:47,970
that's when we had all these
statutory fees or re

772
00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:52,620
renegotiated in Congress. And we
went through years of that. And

773
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:57,090
then even music before 1974 was
chopped off, because the reverse

774
00:46:57,090 --> 00:47:00,780
satellite radio guys had their
cost overhead and was a big, it

775
00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:01,350
was a big

776
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:08,010
cattle trading thing, basically.
And they wound up with record

777
00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:11,070
companies owning a majority of
their of their shares of their

778
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:14,190
public shares to the record
companies, they were making

779
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:17,190
money in two ways they were
getting it in, in streaming fees

780
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:21,390
if it wasn't going to the
artists, but publishing and also

781
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:24,450
in the ads. So they are
incentivized to have the ads

782
00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:29,130
going all the time. So they're
their DNA is not a media

783
00:47:29,130 --> 00:47:33,390
company, or a music company.
Their DNA is a technology

784
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:36,000
company that shoves stuff
through pipes and makes it work

785
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,690
really fast. And they're and now
they're bolting on things with

786
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,690
that same mentality like, Well,
you know, we're gonna give you

787
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:45,420
Rogan, and they don't even I
don't think they really

788
00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:47,940
understand you're in somewhere
within the cone in the company,

789
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:51,810
there's knowledge about ads, and
how people respond to them. But

790
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:55,140
I don't think they don't really
care. Like, we're all things

791
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,990
audio, we're gonna do audio
books, we're gonna do everything

792
00:47:57,990 --> 00:48:02,340
you come to us. We're an audio
company. And that's what's not

793
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:07,290
so apparent from the numbers
either, that they can pivot from

794
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:10,710
being just a music as
subscription app to an audio

795
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:13,740
company that and that's going to
take more than significantly

796
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:18,150
more, I think, than Joe Rogan.
And the Obamas. And whatever

797
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:19,230
else they've got going on.

798
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,550
Okay, well, I mean, I guess that
makes sense. We have to ask the

799
00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:25,800
the podcast insights, man.

800
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:32,940
I am working on tracking Spotify
numbers, but knowing that anchor

801
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:37,200
is, I think, more automatically
submitting to Spotify, then to

802
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080
Apple podcasts. And it seems
like that has stopped by the way

803
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,110
the auto publishing to Apple
podcast has already stopped. I

804
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:45,540
think so because something
happened on June when when you

805
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:48,900
say auto publishing, what do you
mean exactly? What's when you

806
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:50,610
sign up for anchor? There's
this.

807
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,190
You're just spilled a bunch of
water.

808
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,310
But that when you sign up for
water, that was just your water?

809
00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:02,880
Yeah, yeah. Dave Jackson just
walked in the door and saved his

810
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,050
life in front of me.

811
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,160
So when you sign up for anchor,
it gives you this option. That's

812
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:10,890
basically like saying, hey, do
you want to publish

813
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,220
automatically to Apple podcasts?
And we'll do it for you. Right?

814
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:16,710
Yes. But what is what does that
mean? published? That means they

815
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:19,830
go through the submission
process or, or what is that?

816
00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:25,020
Exactly? So my theory is that
anchor has all this time and

817
00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:28,530
iTunes site manager, which is a
special thing that big networks

818
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:32,610
get, and it allows you to submit
podcast, Apple podcast and

819
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:36,060
bypass the apple podcasts
approval process. Okay, but

820
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,660
someone has to submit it and I
think you can even work good.

821
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:43,590
It's shut down now. But I think
you could upload a CSV of all of

822
00:49:43,590 --> 00:49:47,220
these podcast feeds and just
bulk upload them maybe. Okay, so

823
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:50,580
am I creating a new entry for
Apple not every single time you

824
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:53,670
publish that it's pinging apple
or anything like that. Right,

825
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:57,780
right. Yeah. So my theory was
that anchor was using their own

826
00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:59,970
Apple account through the site
manager to

827
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,650
Publish feeds from anchor into
Apple podcasts, which meant that

828
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:08,850
anchor then owned the listing in
Apple podcasts. And that's why

829
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:11,940
it would take anchor users so
long to get an apple podcast

830
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,190
because I think it was, I'm
guessing it was maybe just one

831
00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:17,520
or two people who would make
that manual submission process.

832
00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:21,210
But Apple announced and I've had
site manager to from my own

833
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:23,910
network that used to run, Apple
announced that they would shut

834
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:27,720
down site manager back in May,
they would be shutting it down,

835
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,240
and everything would transfer
over to the new podcast Connect

836
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,050
mine transferred in May. But if
anchor was using site manager,

837
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:36,990
that means they would have more
than 1 million podcasts and

838
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:40,350
their site manager account. And
so I could understand that might

839
00:50:40,350 --> 00:50:43,560
take longer for them to
transition over. So looking at

840
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,520
the data that I have on podcast,
industry insights comm I saw

841
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,040
something change on June 29. Two
things changed. One is podcast,

842
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,510
new podcasts were being
launched, accepted onto Apple

843
00:50:57,510 --> 00:51:01,110
podcasts on the weekends. That
didn't happen before June 29.

844
00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:06,030
There'd be like a few under a
dozen per weekend. Now it's

845
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:09,240
hundreds or even a couple 1000
on the weekends being added,

846
00:51:09,420 --> 00:51:12,660
which tells me one thing, it's
probably now a much more

847
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,540
automated process to get your
podcast in the apple podcasts

848
00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:19,350
like no human is curating it.
Well, that is a big change for

849
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:22,320
Apple. Yeah. And my suspicion
there is that's because they now

850
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,510
have communist level control
over

851
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:32,850
on a second hold on.

852
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,540
Now, as the French say, it is
time for loose. That's right,

853
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:42,900
man. He's out the commie word
got to bring in the socialists,

854
00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:47,880
beautiful, beautiful one step
removed. Well, the way I view it

855
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:53,700
is just cursory experience
smelling around. The Apple

856
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:57,120
podcast app is out, you know,
everyone, and it's the creators

857
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,360
that have done this, of course,
like, hey, my podcast hasn't

858
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,980
shown up in a day, that it's
been two hours. So I'm just on

859
00:52:04,980 --> 00:52:07,860
Twitter, go in new podcast apps
calm and take it there. Look

860
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:08,850
into at over here, it's over
there.

861
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,610
And that's been a real problem.
And I mean, Dan, you know, the

862
00:52:14,610 --> 00:52:17,520
sophistication in general people
like, Hey, man, how can we

863
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,770
didn't upload it to Apple
podcast, you know, that's how

864
00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:24,510
many listeners think we've been,
I've been evangelizing as much

865
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:28,590
as I can pod pain. And I'm gonna
evangelize Dave Jackson, as fast

866
00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:31,560
as I can, as soon as we finish
the show, to get Lipson to do

867
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,200
pod bean, because they don't do
web sub either. And it takes me

868
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,050
forever to pull their feeds. So
I'm gonna, I'm gonna call

869
00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:43,260
James Boggs, his replacement to
we know, I mean, he's been there

870
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:48,180
a long time. So he's, you know,
he would, as much as it pains

871
00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:52,290
me, it would be really good. If
Apple did that. It would help a

872
00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:55,530
lot. And it would also, you
know, bring them a little bit

873
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:58,830
closer to what we're doing.
There's got to be some level of

874
00:52:58,830 --> 00:53:02,610
team left that is just cleaning
up the bits and bobs of of the

875
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:07,110
destruction left behind for
quote, unquote, open podcasting.

876
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,780
I mean, there's got to be this
has got they've got to want to

877
00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:14,550
do something with it. And he
would hope that 99.999% of

878
00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:18,720
podcasting, yeah, so I mean,
like, he really if you're not I

879
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,060
mean, this you're not doing
podcasting. You're doing some

880
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:24,780
something else. So on that any
any podcast apps who had a

881
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:27,360
presence there, I mean, really,
it was Marco there for an

882
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,560
example or is it any, any any
apps promoting their wares? Not

883
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,980
only apps, so are the ones that
were connected to, to other

884
00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:38,100
services like stitcher and those
guys. I mean, like, there was no

885
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:41,190
independent apps that I saw
other than pod verse match with

886
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:44,730
Mitch was right. Yeah, certainly
no vendors with booths, right?

887
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:47,820
Yeah, there are some that have
their own apps, maybe for their

888
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:51,600
network and such. But I think
Yeah, Stitcher was probably is

889
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,110
probably the only consumption
app. Okay. So here's, here's

890
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,920
what I think next year, and
we're gonna save our satoshis

891
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,920
we're gonna stack our SATs for
this next year, we're gonna have

892
00:54:01,950 --> 00:54:07,410
maybe we can work on something
with some friendly companies who

893
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:11,100
have a presence there and
already on board, we should have

894
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:13,290
the new podcast apps booth.

895
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,810
And we'll be handing out
wallets. Get Your FREE wallet

896
00:54:18,810 --> 00:54:21,930
right here. And while he throws
QR codes, you bet baby we'll

897
00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:24,360
throw some stats in there for
you to get going. We're just

898
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,510
gonna be we're gonna have the
booth babes and boys.

899
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,860
Yeah, we're gonna have hot boys
and hot girls walking around.

900
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:34,890
Yeah, of course. This is this is
a show where we used to have pot

901
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:38,520
the podcast pickle guy. I mean,
this is podcasting. Dammit.

902
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,090
Well, now the Bitcoin pickle, by
the way. Yeah, I know. I know.

903
00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:46,530
Gary. Gary Leland is now the
Bitcoin pickle. I know.

904
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:51,240
We have business cards with QR
codes for loading your wallet

905
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:54,870
with that. We have that or we
should have no I mean, we should

906
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:58,740
do that. Right. I mean, it's not
like it's not like 10 cents a

907
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:59,970
thing. Like it's random. You

908
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,590
May you write a five buck

909
00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:05,250
it's a game of chance we're
going to jail. We're going to

910
00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:06,360
jail Dave Jones

911
00:55:07,859 --> 00:55:12,209
illegal. So for our bailout
fund, this is a value for value

912
00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:15,389
projects. Everything you see in
podcasts index.org which

913
00:55:15,389 --> 00:55:19,499
includes podcast index dot
social, the GitHub, this podcast

914
00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:22,589
all the work the countless
hours, the new website that's

915
00:55:22,619 --> 00:55:27,299
that's being done Erica is like,
completely under we have he's in

916
00:55:27,299 --> 00:55:31,679
his bunker, doing his thing.
He's read monitors heads down,

917
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:35,099
as we call it. We appreciate all
the support we can get from

918
00:55:35,099 --> 00:55:38,909
everybody. Now the easy way to
do that, of course is by knowing

919
00:55:38,909 --> 00:55:44,459
what boost you know, you want to
just get a new app, a new

920
00:55:44,459 --> 00:55:48,689
podcast app, a new podcast app
calm and follow the instructions

921
00:55:48,689 --> 00:55:51,239
fill up your wallet and boost us
or send us a booster gram. We'd

922
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,089
love reading those and we also
love our cup barks coming in

923
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:58,589
through Pay Pal. Did you bring
your sheets today Dave? I I hand

924
00:55:58,589 --> 00:56:01,229
wrote everything so you could
drop off a phone

925
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:07,440
with one big crumble. Okay. All
right. All right, good. Good.

926
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,150
Good. So we got Well, okay, so
the weekly guys we got Jeff.

927
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:16,710
Joel rangs. Mo London Hall. I
think you pronounce his name

928
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:20,190
that way. 100 bucks. Thank you.
Yeah. And he says Keep up the

929
00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:22,620
great work. Simple note. Does he
get a T shirt? Are we still

930
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:25,560
sending out t shirts? Yeah, he
gets a T shirt. Oh, excellent.

931
00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:30,000
He just got he's gonna he's
gonna email me. Yeah. Yeah.

932
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,620
He emails me then I email Eric.
Then Eric puts on a spreadsheet.

933
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:37,170
Then it goes then he ships out.
It's the most efficient thing

934
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:44,550
you could ever works. Yeah.
Brent Weaver gave us $33.33 he

935
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:47,010
says thank you for your courage.
Adam and Dave Keep up the great

936
00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:48,090
work boost.

937
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:58,470
Colton Erickson gave us $10 and
no note. I was saddened to see

938
00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:00,030
that there was no note for
Colton.

939
00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:05,850
Okay, my monthly donors that hit
this week was later and we tried

940
00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:11,400
to do this and in order. Cameron
Rose $25 Cameron's been donating

941
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,760
to us forever. Cameron has to be
like a T shirt level now. I

942
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,810
mean, it must be. So Cameron,
you gotta get an email.

943
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,740
Let's see. David mitas Have Fun
Fact Friday podcast. He gave us

944
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,000
$10 Oh, thank you, David. I'm
helping him get hooked up with

945
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,170
Elon sieloff for his Oh for his
messages for his booster grams.

946
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,190
Yes, we do booster grams. Yeah.
Oh my god. Jennifer Maher says

947
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:41,700
calm just walked in the doors
like a whole floor. No. No army

948
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:42,030
here.

949
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,320
So we got banned from RSS. We
got Dave Jackson. Ah, all right.

950
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,270
It's like a lot going on there
in the Daniel J. Lewis suite.

951
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:58,860
Yes. Is the podcasting 2.0 room
now? Yeah, it is clearly Nice.

952
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:01,860
Yeah, the band's wareness
podcasts and tupuna certifies

953
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:02,280
shirt.

954
00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:09,150
Scott Jalbert gave us 12 bucks
is that max burn on the on the

955
00:58:09,150 --> 00:58:12,690
mastodon? Oh, yes, I know. Max
burn Of course. Yeah. Greg

956
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:16,860
Thomas gave us $5 Thank you. I
mean, you gave us $5 and Mark

957
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:18,120
Graham gave us $1

958
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,010
Okay, booster grams. And this
might get a little weird because

959
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:26,940
I could not like some of these
booster grants are long. Oh,

960
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:30,720
read right. Now you just used to
read them off the email he

961
00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:33,300
ordered, which I'm gonna try.
Okay, I'm gonna try and I'm

962
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,340
gonna make a horrible mess out
of it. Because I'm gonna have to

963
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:37,560
sit here and try to find them in
my email. But

964
00:58:38,670 --> 00:58:41,040
let's try to do this. I'm just
gonna go. I might have I might

965
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,270
have most of them. I think you
got you got so salon omics? Yes.

966
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:50,730
So nomics. That is, let me see.
Hi. Hi, guys. Yeah, enjoying

967
00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:54,030
your contributions to the future
of podcasting and unsensible

968
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,300
infotainment, and this is a
notice the bug on the breeze app

969
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,060
and Android the podcasting 2.0
show always seems to end

970
00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:00,870
violently

971
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,300
that's how that's that's awesome
man harshly, harshly cutting off

972
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,970
the outro I know Adam is pretty
anal with these things. So I

973
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:11,910
thought it best I would let you
know by sending a test message

974
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:14,580
using Curio caster. Well, thank
you. That's a great way to let

975
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:17,640
us know. I'm not sure what's
going on. It does does breeze go

976
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,450
to the next episode. I got no
idea. I'm not sure what the

977
00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:26,370
violence is. Yeah, I mean, when
you say violent violently, the

978
00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:30,210
the show ends violently. But
that's not a bug, right? It's a

979
00:59:30,210 --> 00:59:34,110
feature. Well, maybe you can
record it and let me know

980
00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:37,110
exactly what you're hearing
because it should end pretty

981
00:59:37,110 --> 00:59:37,710
much like

982
00:59:41,070 --> 00:59:44,730
it's violence against
microphones. Microphone.

983
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:50,340
We need audio. Then we go to a
bug. Let me see. Yes. I got I

984
00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:53,850
got this. Steven Bay as well.
Steven Bay didn't send any

985
00:59:53,850 --> 00:59:57,570
messages. He were just sending
boost by like a few boost tests

986
00:59:57,570 --> 01:00:00,000
and I just want to give them
credit because oh, that's 1007

987
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,870
at a time, yeah. Scott, Max
burn. He says in his 3166 ads

988
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:10,230
and he says, as I'm listening in
the wrong app, my monthly pay

989
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:13,800
pal hit yes. He said, he sent me
a picture of that. So he's

990
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,010
listening. I think it was maybe
the apple podcast app and up

991
01:00:17,010 --> 01:00:19,920
pops his monthly donation from a

992
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,730
while he's listening is like,
Oh, I'm in the wrong app. I've

993
01:00:23,730 --> 01:00:27,570
gotta go I gotta go boost. Very
cool. Thanks God yet, but but

994
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,030
you can't take them back. Scott,
you can't suck them back out.

995
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:35,790
It's it's fair game. Kiran. Now,
I'm gonna have to read. I'm

996
01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:38,490
gonna have to read Karen's notes
next week is booster grams,

997
01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:42,210
Lizzie cinema and I can't decode
them out of the TLV yet, because

998
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:46,350
we missed some for the week. So
like that, you know that the

999
01:00:46,350 --> 01:00:51,060
node certificate expired? Oh,
yeah. Yeah, so we've missed

1000
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:55,020
like, yeah, we missed like a
week of TF to have a whole week

1001
01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:58,260
in Polish. Yeah. So I had to go
back and find them. And I found

1002
01:00:58,260 --> 01:01:01,560
them. But I haven't decoded him
yet. So but but I want to give

1003
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,760
him credit cuz he sends like
two. He said, 250 1000 set and

1004
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,290
booster grams to my goodness, is
a high roller pack, but I gotta

1005
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,340
I gotta go get his messages next
week. So he gets double credit

1006
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:19,110
because we screwed up. Yeah. And
he and he said my stuff. But

1007
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:26,220
then Jeff, sent us 4040 sets.
And he said weekly contribution

1008
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:30,960
to Dave's studio furnishing fund
pest. pest is blank is

1009
01:01:32,070 --> 01:01:34,440
but I have to have to

1010
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,120
have two things to say about
that. That is enough SAS to

1011
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,820
wrote to to buy like two rolls
of duct tape. So that's that

1012
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:45,300
perfectly covers my needs. Not
just that you can fix your

1013
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:50,250
transmission with duct tape.
Yeah, that also blankets, those

1014
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:52,680
are not blankets. Those are
beach towels.

1015
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:58,500
Every clear clearly are better
at audio absorption than

1016
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:00,960
blankets. They, they do very
well.

1017
01:02:02,850 --> 01:02:04,470
It's the way we do it in
Alabama.

1018
01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:11,700
cow, cow a bear send us 50,050
SATs. I didn't see those booster

1019
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:17,040
grab messages. That's odd. You
didn't know. Kyle sent us that.

1020
01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:19,470
And it was a while back? I think
it was right after the last

1021
01:02:19,470 --> 01:02:23,100
show. And I'm going to struggle
to find is no. And also, are we

1022
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:26,460
still doing the time code links
or the that was just a test or

1023
01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:30,480
one time that worked? No, it
should be in there. This is not

1024
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,720
in there. I don't think so. In
the most recent one. Let me see.

1025
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:34,320
Yeah.

1026
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:41,490
No, it shouldn't be any. No, no,
no. I have the time here. Like

1027
01:02:41,490 --> 01:02:44,970
the first one. Salah nomics, 10
seconds.

1028
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:47,910
But I don't have I don't have a
link.

1029
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:53,580
Let me see. Let me see if I can
find it on my phone. Because

1030
01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:57,360
that's okay. It's just a bug
probably. Well, I'll say I'm

1031
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,470
trying to find Kyle's message.
And I can't find his

1032
01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:06,840
his booster Gran. Because it was
so nice. Pleasant read this

1033
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,950
morning. On Monday. Maybe I can
find it real quick. The problem

1034
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:14,940
is I don't have I don't have a
printer at podcast movement.

1035
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:19,350
Right. And so I can't do my
normal what I have his will this

1036
01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:24,870
is from July 22. So that's old
50,050 cent houses I would have

1037
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:30,270
no no, I got five sets. Maybe I
can look at this is a riveting

1038
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:30,900
podcast.

1039
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,780
Anyway, do we get everybody now?
Do we get everybody we needed to

1040
01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:42,450
get? No we got more people.
Okay. Um, I'm doing. I'm

1041
01:03:42,450 --> 01:03:46,410
multitasking. You know, we get
more people. We got Dred Scott.

1042
01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:47,910
And I want to say

1043
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,910
we were mocking Dred Scott's
profile picture. Yeah. Last

1044
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:58,080
week, no mocking what he what he
actually looks like, well, then

1045
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,380
he's really ugly. That's okay.
I'm still like him. It's just

1046
01:04:01,380 --> 01:04:04,260
he's still a boy. It's not gonna
change anything. It's just you

1047
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:07,170
know, we got to warn the women
folk next time they look at his

1048
01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:08,430
profile picture.

1049
01:04:09,630 --> 01:04:14,250
Okay. Dred Scott gave us 20,133
says and I'm not going to spend

1050
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:16,200
10 minutes trying to find his
email. I'm just going to read it

1051
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,980
next week.

1052
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,110
Chad Farrow,

1053
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,260
the the of Twitter retweeted.
Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Chad.

1054
01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:32,010
Chad F. Yeah. 333 SATs. Wow.
Nice. boosting for the real

1055
01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:36,090
Dave. I'm not sure who the fake
Dave is but Oh, I know. It's

1056
01:04:36,090 --> 01:04:36,540
water.

1057
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:41,130
Oh, but if you if you had the
timestamp, it will go straight

1058
01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:44,700
to that bit in the podcast. That
is so cool. Man. We like when

1059
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,280
did this person hit that boost
button. Oh, right there. Okay,

1060
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,090
got it. Alright, that's the
group. That's a group very nice,

1061
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:56,130
but I don't have it. I'm going
to walk up my hardscape Magellan

1062
01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:00,000
thing exists as I got.
Excellent. All right.

1063
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,450
So when you go back, Dave
tomorrow, you start driving

1064
01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:07,170
back. Now we're heading out
tonight. Oh, okay, we gotta we

1065
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:10,500
gotta we gotta Boogie. Gotta
Boogie. Okay, Daniel, How about

1066
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,410
yourself? You stay in through
the to the weekend or what's

1067
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:16,650
your schedule? staying until
Saturday morning? Yeah. Nice.

1068
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:20,160
Nice line, though, right?
driving, and only four hours

1069
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,830
away. I'm from Cincinnati, so
it's only four hours away. Have

1070
01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:25,530
a drive. Okay, where are you?
Where are you from Dave? at

1071
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,160
about

1072
01:05:27,390 --> 01:05:30,390
seven hours in you. And you're
you're from Austin. So yeah.

1073
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,660
Yeah, okay. Yeah. So we Yeah. Is
there a mass exodus here? Well,

1074
01:05:36,690 --> 01:05:39,390
this, this sounded a heck of a
lot better than I thought I

1075
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:42,300
would, you know, I've done shows
when someone was on the other

1076
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:44,700
end of the conference. And this
was just like, like, you guys.

1077
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,700
Were here. Like, I was actually
more like I was there. In the

1078
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:51,900
hotel room. If you could see the
octopus Hydra of wires that are

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on this table. I posted it on
podcast index. Y'all Hold on.

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All right. I want to take a look
at that. Then on Monday. I

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mentioned to you both on it. So
you might as well do that before

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you leave. Hold on a second. I
want to see that.

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01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:07,200
Good. So what is the headline?
What is the press write about

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01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:08,730
podcast movement? What?

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,060
What will they say? Oh my
goodness.

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01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:20,670
Yeah, I've had many spreader
spreader event. The only 21 soup

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01:06:20,670 --> 01:06:23,520
Okay. Yes. Soup. Yeah, that's
all we need to wait for is how

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,970
many podcasters went down after
the super spreader event? Yeah,

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01:06:26,970 --> 01:06:29,310
and the New York Times is going
to track their cell phone usage

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01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:31,650
somehow to figure out where they
went is gonna be like this, you

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01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:35,100
know, this octopus that goes all
over the country to take to take

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01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:35,880
the Delta back.

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01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:40,530
Alright, that'll have to do it
for podcasting. 2.0 for this

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01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:43,890
week, Daniel J. Lewis, where do
you want people to find more

1095
01:06:43,890 --> 01:06:47,520
about you? What's the best way
to go? I am on most social

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01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,520
networks as the Daniel J. Lewis.
And then you can get to my

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,220
product services and everything
I do with podcasting at the

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01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:57,840
audacity to podcast.com. We've
also got an API to your new API.

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01:06:57,870 --> 01:07:00,810
Yeah, for podcasts, industry
insights, the API that can give

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01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:04,350
you some deeper insights on
what's out there in podcasting.

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01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:08,670
And there's a huge blip that I
discovered today that I can't, I

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01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:11,160
probably shouldn't comment on,
because I need to dig into the

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01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,940
data to see what's going on. But
yeah, you can, for getting

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,850
insights from the data is what I
do with podcasts and industry

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01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:20,460
and strike. It's not trying to
be a pod chaser, another podcast

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01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,700
index or something. But learning
from it and getting a better

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01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:26,040
idea of what's actually out
there. What does the podcast

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,320
landscape look like? When you
get a pimp all your stuff? Not

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01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,870
just what kind of what kind of
data can I get from that?

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01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:34,860
Daniel? I mean, so great. Now,
if you go to podcast industry,

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01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:39,120
insights.com. And right now, I'm
focusing primarily on the data I

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,850
get from Apple podcasts. Or if
you go to the Apple podcast tab,

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01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,180
you can see how many podcasts or
an apple pie if you're looking

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01:07:45,180 --> 01:07:49,500
at this on Friday, August 6,
there is something weird going

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01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:52,110
on that I need to investigate,
but so you can see how many

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01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,350
podcasts are and this is only an
apple podcast right now. I'm

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01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:58,080
counting them and then seeing
how many of them are active. How

1118
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,020
many have published an episode,
I asked a breakdown on some of

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01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:04,320
the inside stuff for the
insiders? How many podcasts are

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,420
in different genres? Or you
could do something like get

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01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:10,680
notified of every new podcast
added to the system? Whoa, I see

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01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:15,750
what you mean by something going
on. Yeah, to just tease it, in

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01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:18,510
that according to the data now,
this could just be because Apple

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01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:20,190
broke something today. No, I
think I

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01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:24,780
think Apple burned down, man. I
think their offices are on fire.

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01:08:24,780 --> 01:08:28,710
What the heck is that? It looks
like half of the podcast were

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01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:31,860
removed from Apple podcast. So
I'm going to dig into that and

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01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:36,150
figure out did this really
happen? Wow, it's not beyond the

1129
01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:40,380
realm of possibility. If anchor
that could be just all anchor

1130
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:44,730
shows, well also radically, what
is this? If I look down below

1131
01:08:44,730 --> 01:08:50,070
here, I see 1 million podcasts
removed in the previous day.

1132
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:53,370
Right? That's what I'm talking
about. I need to figure out what

1133
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:57,780
happens. Sometimes, Apple's
website has problems. If their

1134
01:08:57,810 --> 01:09:00,540
data has problems, then it might
show up as a removal on my

1135
01:09:00,540 --> 01:09:07,980
system. But if if they did truly
remove 1.1 million podcasts,

1136
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:11,250
that's going to be a news story.
So I need to put up holy crap.

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01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:15,240
We're investigating this podcast
industry insights, calm,

1138
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,940
everybody. That's that chart is
fun, fun to look at.

1139
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,020
All right, gentlemen.
travelsafe. Say hi to Dave

1140
01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:24,900
Jackson, for me Say hi to who
else came in? Who else that we

1141
01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:28,530
have in Benjamin Richard. Ben
Richardson. All right. Say hi to

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01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:31,980
everybody. And thank you all for
flying the flag, their podcast

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01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:34,380
movement, and we'll do another
board meeting next week. All

1144
01:09:34,380 --> 01:09:37,920
right. I got a pleasure. All
right. That's it.

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01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:43,050
For us go to podcast. index.org.
We'll be back next week for

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01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:46,290
another board meeting of
podcasting 2.0

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,350
been listening to podcasting 2.0
podcast in this dashboard for

1148
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:08,760
more information

1149
01:10:10,410 --> 01:10:12,840
how long has it been since you
clicked boost

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,420
that's too long.