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Hello everybody time once again

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for the official meeting of the
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We discuss everything about
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true genius that takes place at

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podcast index dot social. I'm
Adam curry here in the heart of

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Hill Country, Texas, and in
Alabama wrangling JSON to the

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ground. My friend on the other
end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr.

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Dave Jones.

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A socialist is genius. But it's
also it's been a little spicy

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the last couple of days. Cuz you
mean Alex gates? Yeah. Alex and

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James getting in there. Oh, I
missed that. What are you do?

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Oh, about time codes and stuff
like that. Yeah, like that. This

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is good, man. Yeah, we need to
have a friendly, friendly

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challenge. Challenging
atmosphere that push things

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forward. You will also like the
spicy Yeah. And you know, in a,

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in a traditional corporate
corporate environment, this was

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all be on Slack behind the
boss's back. No one would know

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about it.

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They're just Yeah, well,
exactly. Exactly. So once again,

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that's why it's so brilliant.
Huh. That's where people are

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feel like they can talk about
stuff and give their opinions

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and got nothing to lose by
actually giving their opinion Go

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figure. Yeah, and we in this
group has proven that we can all

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take criticism, and may and turn
it into good stuff into you and

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not like that. That's that's the
best part of this whole was the

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best part of the part of the
whole project. You still sound

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pretty nasal Lee. Yeah, it's
just I mean, like, I started

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feeling better. And maybe a day
into the antibiotics I didn't

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get some antibiotics maybe 10
days after this thing started

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and then I started feeling
better day or two and now I feel

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like crap again. I don't know
what it is. Is something going

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around because

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you don't know what it is?

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No, nobody. I mean, the guests
from my doctor was RSV but she

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knows at this point I mean we
may have you know like this

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maybe like polio

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I'm sorry I didn't mean to laugh
let's let's say it's not polio

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that would not not be good
nothing nothing brings the room

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down like a get polio Joe

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know your audience Dave Jones

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I don't know I'm alive though.
Oh SAS sound like I sound like

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I'm going to can you do sound a
little bit that's just your your

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pipes. Yeah, that's it. I mean,
if nothing else changed my head.

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Was pretty empty sound hollow?
may not be good. I gotta tell

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you I'm so sick of hearing
myself. This past week. Yo,

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yeah. I was on a podcast Oh
yeah. Podcast two or so I was on

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BTC sessions.

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Wire Goodwin by the way. I like
that. Thank you. It was

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intimidating. Because yeah, the
first 45 minutes these guys are

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talking oh gee bitcoins stories.
I'm like, I'm not quite sure

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exactly what to say about all
this. I'll just talking about

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back in the day. And when and
back in the day Bitcoin for you

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was, I can't pay the rent with
this stuff. Pretty much. It's

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all very triggering to hear
those stories. Like I don't want

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to know about the 65 bitcoins I
sold at 900. I don't want to

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know that at all. I feel very,
very poorly about this.

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But I did not anymore because
now you know, they're coming

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back to me the SATs every single
day. So excited. The farmer guy

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was interesting was a farmer.
Yeah, yeah, he's and he's

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building a citadel, which is,

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I guess the Citadel was kind of,
it can be a real word. I think

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he's doing a real world one, but
you can do it as a virtual one.

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It's just it's essentially
people who are connected and do

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commerce via Bitcoin. Which
brings me to the second thing

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which is Texas slim who I I had
not done an interview for the

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with Adam curry podcasts. It's

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Oh, it's probably on April 2020.
So the index was about the

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deprioritize.

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The feed was pretty, pretty
crusty. And by the way, Texas

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limb was doing the Texas Beef
initiative is exactly one of

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those one of those citadels
where he's now onboarding

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ranchers, onboarding people who
can transport on that onboarding

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retailers and ultimately
consumers. And they're doing it

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through an app. They have an app
called oshi. Oh shi, and I think

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oh, she is similar to strike
that you can connect it to a

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card or to a bank.

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Shi Yeah, and

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And and he already has a pretty
big rancher on board in Austin

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which is and this came to me
through Marty bent so you know

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it's it's it's official Bitcoin
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oshi support local earn Bitcoin
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ranchers and the retailers is
well look is 2.7% right off the

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top, you don't have to pay
because you're not to pay those

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fees,

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your credit card fees, so why
don't you you can keep that or

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you could store it and keep it
in the app and grow it. And they

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all like this idea.

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Anyway, so that so that's, that
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based upon the BTC sessions,
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GG interviewed me for closing
the loop. You know, was that he?

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Oh, yeah, of course, as that
dropped headers, yes. That has

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dropped Dave. This drops. It's,
it's you're on the floor. And

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I'm listening to all these
podcasting. I'll go back and

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listen, not for myself. But you
know, what did I miss? What did

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I miss? Understand? I listen to
all interviews just to see if I

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can. Did I understand what the
question was, I'm anal like

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that.

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And I'm thinking holy crap, man.
My mic sounds so damn good. It's

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like you've been, you've been
very me with this mo toolbox.

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I've never given it up. I mean,
I've tried everything. I was

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like, no, no, no, nothing quite
like this. It has just something

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in it. That is just so nice. And
it's and yeah, and you're on a

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podcast, and I'm like, bam, I'm
booming out. And the host is

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like, so tell me a little bit
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like, we have so much to work
on. Yeah, here. I'm seeing it.

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Episode Nine can't stop the
signal. Oh, I like it. Yeah,

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it's a good good title. Chose a
good title. I liked it. So as

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Gigi on there with you? Mm hmm.
Just this was just you and John

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John. Yeah. Okay. And what was
fun about it is I didn't know

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this. He's in Dominican
Republic. He's Canadian. But he

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when they locked down Canada, he
and his, his I think his

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girlfriend, they escaped and
they went to the Dominican

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Republic. They've been there
ever since. Oh, wow. Yeah,

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that's one way to do it. Yeah.
He's he said, I don't know if I

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want to go back. Or if I can
ever go back. That's always the

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danger is, is who has it Ron
Paul, back in the day say, hey,

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when they're building border
walls. Yeah. It's not to keep

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them out as to keep you Exactly,
exactly.

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Now, I hadn't heard it yet.
Indeed. I put it on. Download it

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here. I I'm sad. But anyway, so
my point was, I'm just sick and

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tired of hearing myself like

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I can't tell when you go silent
for a while on, on chat and

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signal and everything. I can
tell you're just like, you know,

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I'm sick. I'm sick of myself.
I'm I need to go do something

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else for a while. Well,
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that's interesting that that's
how you perceive that.

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It's usually because I'm super
busy doing these damn

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interviews. Yeah, that's that's
usually what it is.

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But I go to bed and I wake up
with podcasting. 2.0 I gotta

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tell you, I really do and, and
I, I finally got my umbrella to

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work.

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And now now even more jacked.
Yeah. Tell me about all this.

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Tell me about Tell me about your
my experience around Berlin.

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Yeah, so I have I had the, the
raspy blitz for a long time love

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it, it works. But when I really
understood what the Umbral was,

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when I took a look at it, I
said, Oh, this is kind of that

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home server we were all dreaming
about in 2000 but 20 years ago,

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it's like on this thing, it'll,
it'll store content. So the

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whole again, the whole
podcasting concept was developed

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in 2000. With the enclosure tag
podcasting itself didn't happen

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until I saw my first iPod so
that was three years this was

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working and the whole thinking
was you'd have Do you remember

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the cube the cobalt cube another
name I don't remember what it

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was do a search right now. It's
with sees the cobalt cube it was

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blue. You wanted the you want
the cube they had a rackmount

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later. And this end it was a
Linux box. And in this box, it

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had Wi Fi in it. It had
filesharing it had an email

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server it had you know,
basically your your mini ISP.

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And now this was early early
days, so a lot of things that it

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didn't have or Oh, cute QUB e
cobalt Q o whiskey. Oh, let's

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write q UB. Oh yeah, yeah, I
know this thing. I've seen this

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mancia it ran red hat. Yes, I
still have it. I found it when

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we moved. You do not I do. I do.
I do.

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We should probably let's get
that sucker. See what comes up.

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It's got two network jacks on
the back of it and an LED on the

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back. Yeah LED screen on the LED
was to to read the IP address.

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So I think yes, like it's so
it's got a USB port.

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A DB non serial port.

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Cool our right. Oh, that's nice.
That's slick that looks like it

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looks like an old Oh, is it the
Mac cube? Yeah, I had that too.

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I don't have that one anymore.
And cube three. I think I have

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the cube three. Now I'm looking
at the power cord.

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Unfortunately, I betcha I don't
have that anymore. But it says

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this model lacks the external
scuzzy port.

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I know what a bummer. Anyway, so
that was kind of the dream is

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that you'd have this box and it
would, it would be a media

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server. And mind you this is
when Wi Fi was just coming out.

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And I had I had repeaters all
along the he had a foot off the

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gentleman's canal in the
Netherlands, bouncing off, you

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know, three different friends
homes. With repeaters. It was

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some Australian, I think was the
guys who invented it. Didn't why

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wasn't Wi Fi invented in
Australia. And that one's off my

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radar screen. I don't know. I
have obviously Wi Fi invented in

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off. I love the internet. Let's
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I believe it was who invented?

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Oh, okay. Ars Technica says how
the Aussie government invented

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Wi Fi.

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Hmm. Was that like their version
of DARPA or something? Let me

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see. Wi Fi technology. Yeah, was
the Australian scientists from

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the Commonwealth Scientific and
Industrial Research

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Organization?

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Who created the standard and I
think was parrot was the

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company. Parrot. Okay. Anyway.

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So now I see this umbrella. I'm
like, Holy shit, this is it.

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It's got apps, it's got an app
store makes total sense in the

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in the context of today's
computing systems that people

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understand. And I had already
tried to load this earlier I

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had, I have a Surface Pro six, I
bought one off of Amazon for

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about 500 bucks, brand new. two
terabyte SSD external drive,

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jacking through USB 2.0 Just
give you all the specs. And I

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had loaded Linux Mint on it
initially because I was going to

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use it for something else and
then I'll just do this Umbral.

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So I ran there handy dandy start
script. And it never came up and

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it was just waiting. And then I
could see in the log file that

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all this Docker stuff was messed
up. And so clearly, it wasn't

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meant for a Linux Mint, even
though they say it was. So I

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flashed out the OS put on pure
Ubuntu fired it up thing work

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right away chain downloaded and
synced with about 26 hours that

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was faster than I thought it
would be dead is really fast.

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Yeah, well, I just part of it,
of course, is the processor and

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I have about 350 megabits
download

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at the house on the cable modem.
So that's pretty good.

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I mean, that's still pretty
quick. And man took

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nearly 72 hours. I'm at like,
250 Hmm. In the year that was

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smoking fast. Mm hmm. And you
know, and it's important,

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because you're not just
downloading, you're verifying

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every single block. And I like
how it shows you that which is

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kind of cool. Well, that's the
difference between a Raspberry

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Pi and an actual computer. Yes.
That extra process right there.

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That right makes a huge
difference. Yeah. And you know,

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so I've loaded it up and you
know, it works right out of the

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box. The tour is is set up, it's
easy to understand now there is

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an issue that I have because I

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I rebooted the box.

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And I want to eventually put it
into my I have a server rack

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here. I'll just put it in there.
That's fine. I don't need to

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access it. But I rebooted the
server racks I do it came with a

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house I have a house with a
server rack is sexy 19 inch

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cabinet.

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the Umbral doesn't come back up,

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and and I see that you know, the
external drive mounts at slash

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media slash atom slash e x t is
what I named it. Okay, and when

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I rebooted it, nothing worked.
It comes back up and now I have

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two drives in slash media slash
atom. One is e x t and one is e

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x t one. And it looks like one
is referencing the other because

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it's clearly not two separate
drives. But then I had to change

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directory into the e x t one
drive and then right and then

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one of our I forget who it was
in podcasting. social gaming is

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like, command, you know, very
dangerous like hey, pseudo this

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motherfucker, okay, sure, I'll
do that. RM dash RF.

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I like pseudo, you know, purge
doc or something, whatever. And

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then, and so and then the second
command I ran and then it just

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downloaded a whole bunch of
Dockers again and the whole

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thing came back up so it worked
perfectly. I'm afraid to reboot

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it because I'm sure I'm going to
get e x t two

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I just don't know why it does
that. That part I don't

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understand. I wonder if that's
some sort of weird side effect

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of the way the Surface Pro is. I
wonder if that's if it's even

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some new I wonder if it's
presenting the hardware? Oh,

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that's in a weird way. And
that's typical. Wouldn't it make

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sense for Microsoft do some
stupid like that? Oh, guess

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Yeah. Okay, so, so we just won't
reboot it. But for now ever, but

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I love it. I love how the apps
work and how the install and

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everything just works and I'm so
impressed with it. And in my

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mind, you know, I ordered the
their actual Umbral box, the

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hardware, which that's the one I
want the server rack because

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that, you know, it look cool.
And I don't know, right? Yeah, I

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mean, like, it's on its way.
Okay. Well, it's like 30 Days

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After we receive your order,
blah, blah, blah. I mean,

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there's no scale to this. Okay,
I got the orange one is like,

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you know, it's not a color I
like but what the hell, you

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know, it's kind of a collector's
item.

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But I see this and I think yeah,
this is this is why the path is

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so clear. We'll Yeah, we're
going to be spinning up wallets

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for

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for podcasters. For podcast
apps, you know, whatever the

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hell we're going to be spinning
up. But this is all transitory

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because the people that have
success and see it, you want

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this shit at home. You just want
it in and it's not like you have

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to and God thank God for tour.
Get just don't have to worry

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about the shit. It's like plug
it in. Give it your password.

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And the interface is simple to
understand. And then and here's

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your toured address. It's so
beautiful. The only thing I love

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tour I love what it does. I love
the you know, the zero config

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part of it. The only bad thing
the only downside of tours, it's

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slow. And you can start super
slow. Yeah, the payments Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.
Payments take 45 seconds

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sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, to
settle. Yeah, that's true.

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That's true. But I've already
switched Tor addresses and that

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one really fast that propagated
through the graph in no time.

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Tell me how you did that because
I need to do that I did that I

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did that by rebooting the box
and then having to start it from

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the second hard drive and I got
all the addresses. I see. I wish

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I knew I need I need to give
myself a new tour address

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because I think there's a
propagation issue with with my

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Home Node the one on podcasting
from right now. And but I don't

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know how to do it and I just
like Graham had to do it one

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time for somebody I forgot who
it was and he he's able to go in

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there and do some sort of thing
to give it to let it get a new

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tour address additional I don't
know just just install it on the

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Surface Pro six and you're good
to go reboot and reboot. You get

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yourself a new tour dress. And I
was worried about it. I'm like

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oh fuck now I have a new tour
dress and this is gonna suck but

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now within you know boop boop
boop boop just start started

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dripping in and now the thing is
screaming because I hooked it up

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to with Adam curry which I want
to say was another interesting

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experience. Now this was a
podcasting 1.0 feed that had

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just come through like did the
when we reset or refresh the

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feed this morning. Is that all
settled now? Yeah, everything's

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fixed. Okay.

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So I didn't add this is a feed
that I had last time as I said I

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created was in

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the first quarter of 2020 and on
the freedom controller and so I

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wouldn't I'd have to go and
really dig to find where this

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feed page was maybe have a
bookmark whatever. And here's

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the here's the experience I had
I fire up curio caster I flip

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into RSS Jenny mode. I search
for with Adam curry pops up,

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click boom, like, Oh, hell yeah,
good to go. I do the new

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episode, throw a bucket thing in
there, I add person tags, I add

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the whole thing the captions
now, like, I wasn't able to add

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chapters yet because I don't
have an entry for this podcast

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in hyper capture.

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So we'll see, Dread was going to
think about maybe doing an

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external file with a different a
different generator, and we'll

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see where that goes. And I hit
create. And as you know, this

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thing passes everything through.
But what it didn't do is it

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didn't pass through the
namespace declaration at the top

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because it does not in there.
And it doesn't check because

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this is the this is actually a
marketing thing. Once the Steven

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B gets it fixed, it's like
upgrade your feed. I mean, now

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that was exciting. It was it
because you know, it felt like

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an upgrade. Now I had to go in
and add the namespace

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declaration by hand. But then,
of course I fucked up my entries

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and then after I published like,
Oh, this is no good. And it was

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in the index. I just pop open
curio caster and it brings it

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all in and with

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With all the tags in place, and
it including the the namespace,

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so just pass it through as a
total upgrade. And despite that,

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I messed it up and you had to
reset the index. It was

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flawless. It was really flawless
and right away and I added

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drabbit in there and of course,
curio caster to the value split.

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And the Umbral as the main note
is just an I've got thunder hub

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and it's on continuous refresh.
It's I mean, I don't even want

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to leave the studio. I just want
to sit here all day, and just

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watch it.

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So, the thing about Umbral
though is it does not show you

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by default. Kison. totally lame.
Now I understand.

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Because I Bret Weinstein texted
me. Uh huh. I think I shared

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this with you. And any and I
said, Hey, you still receive and

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Satoshi said Yeah, I don't quite
understand why. Like, okay, are

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how it works. And then having
the Umbral I realized, Oh, of

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course, he's just seeing the
number going up. He doesn't see

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those NC transact, he doesn't
see the transactions. Oh, man,

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you got to open up thunder hub.
So I don't know if he's done

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that yet. Is for for an
intellectual academic. He's

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what's the word I'm looking for?
Um, yes. Not interested in deep

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in digging, it seems like he's,
I've sent him all the links, you

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know, the value for value.io?
I've seen I've seen video, you

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know, he's just like, Yeah,
okay. I guess, is great, I

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guess.

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Yes. So that's, that's, that's
coming. You know, we're, I'm

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building that thing that will
let you have the app to put on

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there. That'll show you all this
transaction data, the love it

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that it'll bait not just booster
grants, but it'll show

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everything.

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Initially, it will, it will show

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just booster grams.

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I just because I want to get
something out there as fast as I

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can. Yeah. And I don't want to
have to dip what slows you down

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or what slows me down.

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Things like this is

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trend trying to figure out how
the UI gets laid out. And I

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already have a decent
understanding a decent UI for

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just showing a stream of things
coming in. But

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if you just show a stream of
incoming,

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like per minute transactions,
then your booster grams roll

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off, and you don't see those and
those need to be sort of fronts.

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And yes, this is an issue. This
is yes, absolutely. So I'm

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thinking that, you know,
initially, it'll just is just

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booster grams, or not booster
grams, but just boosts those

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period with a messenger without,
okay, boost. And then And then

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step two is add in full
transaction data, we'll do it on

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a set. Like, we need to tweak
the UI where it kind of shows up

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and maybe two columns, you got
boosts on one side streams on

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the other or something? I don't
know. But yeah, but definitely,

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this is what this is. That's
what I've been fighting all week

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is trying to get this is
specifically this thing is

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trying to get that incoming JSON
data data. This is where the

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JSON hate came from. Okay, well,
okay, so

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have we heard from Daniel J.
Lewis recently? Or is he in the

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corner? whimpering?

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J. Daniel JSON Lewis is alive
and well. I saw him I thought it

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was dead came back yesterday.

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So I apologize in advance, but
this. So the way this the way

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that things work, or if it and
we may, you know, we may just

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need to spend a moment.
Actually, let's do this. This

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because somebody had a question
on the podcast index, Telegram

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channel, which I hire rarely
ever, like, Oh, God, I hate

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telegram. But yeah, me too.

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But they just had a question.
They said,

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can I tell who paid me? No, it
was on the so Satoshi stream

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channel. He said, can I tell who
paid me?

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I mean, the answer is no. Like,
by default, the answer is you

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cannot see in and I'll just if
anybody's listening to this

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doesn't understand the whole
what's going on behind the

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scenes of when you get payments
and through lightning.

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Hears here's here's the
Lightning Network is a layer on

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top of Bitcoin, where people
voluntarily open up channels

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from each from their lightning
nodes to other lightning nodes.

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So it's a big web, this big,
spider's web of connections

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between individual Bitcoin nodes
and which by the way, you can

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see it go podcasting.org. Org.

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Have You Ever Have you ever
looked at that go podcasting.org

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I'm looking at casting without a
word.

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Oh, yeah, this is the lightened.
Yeah. This is Marnix is yeah,

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this is this. Yeah, this is the
the podcast had lightning

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connections, which is a
beautiful graph to see.

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Yes, that the way that works.
Look at that chart. And then you

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can see, it is a huge web of
interconnected nodes. And so if

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I'm going to pay you

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let's just say if I'm going to
give you a boost of 2500 SATs,

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my lightning node in order to
get that my lightning no which

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may be an app, let's just say
it's as pod friend. If I boost

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you on pod friend, pod friend
uses ln pay as its wallet post.

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And so Ellen pays lightning node
has to find a route from itself

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to whatever your note is. So
let's just say that that's Brett

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Weinstein's node. So it may have
to go through three or four

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different hops to get to
Weinstein's node from from pod

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friend. So that means that I'm
just trying to simplify this for

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a second, simplify the
terminology a little bit. That

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means that Ellen pay has to
make, essentially a transaction

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with each ledger transaction
with each intermediary node,

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because LNP may not have a
direct direct connection to

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Brett Weinstein, but it may have
a direct connection to somebody

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else who has a direct connection
to somebody else who does. So

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it's like six degrees of Kevin
Bacon.

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I'm one I'm one degree, by the
way, direct from Kevin Bacon.

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Okay, does he have a lightning
node? He will.

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I'm sure he has a podcast cuz
everybody does. So if you're for

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pops or for connections away
from Weinstein, then your node

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does a deal with this with node
number number two, which does a

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deal with node number three,
which it does a deal with

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Weinstein's node. And that's how
you get that payment. It's sort

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of like it's a really, it's a
payment relay network.

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And

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one of the things that happens
is, it uses

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the onion strategy. So it read,
it takes this payment that

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you're about to send this boost
of 2500 SATs, it takes that

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payment

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makes it wraps it in three
layers. And each successive

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layer gets peeled off. And these
are this is encryption, wraps it

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in three layers of encryption as
each successive layer gets

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peeled off as you as you go
through the chain.

437
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,230
So that each person in between,
so that would be nodes, three

438
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:59,250
nodes two and three, the in
between nodes that are relaying

439
00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:02,520
the payment, they don't know
where it came from, or where

440
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,440
it's going. So this is all
completely anonymous encrypted

441
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:09,900
traffic that's happening across
the network.

442
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,880
So you can't tell by the time
that payment gets to you, you

443
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,290
don't see how that how it even
got to you. And there's no

444
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:22,110
identifying information other
than except what might be in the

445
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:25,680
TLV records that the opposite,
right? Yeah. Right. So all

446
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,850
you're gonna see is, is a pre
image, which is just a long hash

447
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:32,520
value that doesn't really do you
any good. It's just a payment

448
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:33,180
identifier.

449
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,330
So exactly what you said, the
only way to know who sent you is

450
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:45,960
if they voluntarily disclose it,
in the T O V record of in that

451
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,550
gets included with the lightning
payment. So the T O V record is

452
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:51,780
just a hex encoded

453
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,270
batch of JSON.

454
00:28:55,770 --> 00:29:00,900
And the JSON data gets hex
encoded and put into the payment

455
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,910
and then decoded on the other
end.

456
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,300
So going back to the example of
Weinstein's node, if he if he's

457
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:13,680
getting these payments, is
Umbral doesn't know anything

458
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,210
about this TLV record that
podcasting uses right? And so it

459
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:22,170
doesn't understand how to that
is even supposed to be decoding

460
00:29:22,170 --> 00:29:25,920
any of this stuff. So that's
where the booster gram app comes

461
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,230
in. And the confusion is because
there and kind of the genesis of

462
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:36,900
the booster gram is the WhatsApp
usage of the TLV record. And

463
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,340
that's what you see in Thunder
hub on the chat page. And I

464
00:29:41,340 --> 00:29:43,770
think that's why it's confusing
because if someone sends me a

465
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:48,870
chat to my node directly, it'll
show up in my transaction log as

466
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,280
a with a little, a little icon
saying, Hey, this is a chat

467
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:56,730
transaction, you click it and
you can read it. Base this exact

468
00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:59,850
same technology, same concept,
but you know,

469
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,650
Show 2019.

470
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,340
Now, is that the same TLV that
the Sphinx uses? Or did they

471
00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:09,810
come? They have their own thing?

472
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:19,050
Wow. I don't know. Okay, but I'm
gonna say probably because I

473
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:21,660
think they're the ones that
turned us on to the whole

474
00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:27,810
concept. thing. So yeah. Okay,
so where's Paulie? Enjoy, man

475
00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:32,430
call me? Oh, yeah, when I talked
to him a while back, we need to

476
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:34,710
get him back on the show, just
get an update, find out what's

477
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:35,820
going on. Yeah.

478
00:30:37,050 --> 00:30:40,590
But if you so you've got this,
you've got this JSON data.

479
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:46,530
That's possibly. And that's the
key word, all of this is maybe

480
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:51,390
in the boost payment, you can
send a boost, you know, a boost,

481
00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:53,820
it's just a payment, you don't
you could not include any TLV at

482
00:30:53,820 --> 00:31:02,250
all. Or you can include a JSON
block that has four of the

483
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:10,500
fields out of the out of the 12.
Or maybe this JSON block, as

484
00:31:12,510 --> 00:31:15,660
it has amounts, like the number
of sets, maybe that hasn't,

485
00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:18,900
maybe it has them in there as
strings and not numbers.

486
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,770
I've seen this, I've seen this
chatter, hey, yeah, you're

487
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:24,360
sending me integers idiot.

488
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,600
So that's, this is where you get
into, into the wild west have

489
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,700
schema lists, schema lists, JSON

490
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:37,020
can be infuriating when you're
trying to

491
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:41,910
it well, to get back and fill
this out for a second. This JSON

492
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:45,660
data has has possibly any a lots
of different things in it. So it

493
00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,960
could be the name of the sender,
the name of the app, the version

494
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,100
of the app to send it a message,
which is the booster gram, the

495
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:57,660
number of SATs before routing
fees, the number of SATs post

496
00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:02,160
routing fees, the timestamp of
the of the episode, the name of

497
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,340
the episode, the name of the
podcast, all that metadata is

498
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,150
are in these fields have this
JSON block within within the

499
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,950
within the TLV record?

500
00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:16,050
Well, so what what I'm trying to
do

501
00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:20,550
is build this, this app that
will show you these incoming

502
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:25,080
payments with all this data in
it, because that's awesome. Yes.

503
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:28,980
There's no other reason. It's
awesome. Yeah, that's the only

504
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:33,120
reason. And so here's here's
what you're doing is you're

505
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760
going from is this is a
fundamental problem here,

506
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120
because you're going from a, a

507
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,540
loosely typed language like
JavaScript, which is what JSON

508
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:52,440
is, you're going from a loosely
typed data into a strongly typed

509
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:56,310
structure within within rust.

510
00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:03,330
And Rust has fantastic JSON
parsing library called cert CRD.

511
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,710
I've heard people call assert
it's s er D. But I'm going to

512
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:11,160
call it serious because I think
it's serial only. The French

513
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,300
would say, rude.

514
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:18,300
And it's fantastic. It works. It
works awesome.

515
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:23,280
Except if you want to do this
specific thing that I want to

516
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,180
do, it's not so awesome. Well,
it's still awesome. It's just

517
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:30,060
awesome in a way that is almost
completely incomprehensible to

518
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:36,540
humans. So what what you have is
a situation where you have, I'm

519
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:39,810
getting a data, a data block of,
I'm getting a blob of JSON,

520
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:43,770
which is just a bunch of
properties, with values.

521
00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:49,800
And I know what it if somebody
sent the whole thing, let's just

522
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,560
say that an app sends you all 12
fields of information in there

523
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,250
perfect. And they're all typed
correctly. They're all the

524
00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:01,800
strings are strings, the numbers
are numbers, blah, blah, blah.

525
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:05,850
If somebody sends it that way,
what you can do is you can

526
00:34:06,060 --> 00:34:11,220
insert in city, you can say,
here's a structure, here's

527
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,140
here's a struct. In this fields,
supposed to be a unsigned 64 bit

528
00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:19,680
integer, this field supposed to
be a string, this field is

529
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,700
supposed to be a signed 32 bit
integer, blah, blah, blah, all

530
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:26,880
that is specified in the TLV
record specification.

531
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,610
If you're trying to do that, in
Everything's perfect. It works

532
00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:35,370
great. It just flows right into
your into your data up into your

533
00:34:35,370 --> 00:34:39,480
object into your structure in
rust. You can take that, build a

534
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,080
new record off of it, stick it
in the database. However,

535
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,580
however,

536
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,980
if it's not perfect, it breaks
and you have three rec let's

537
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:54,390
just say you have three of those
fields missing. Now, city is

538
00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:58,110
going to complain and say that
it's going to try to translate

539
00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:00,000
this J

540
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,180
On block into the equivalent
rest structure is putting the

541
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:10,110
wrong nails. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
So but that's, that's okay.

542
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:13,950
That's okay. Because there is
there is a facility for that.

543
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:18,360
And as you define your structure
your your structure fields as

544
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,440
what are called optionals. So
this is if anybody is familiar

545
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,650
with modern strongly typed
languages like Swift or rust,

546
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:32,160
this optionals are, are the new
hotness is the way it's the way

547
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,580
to go, they're great. That means
instead of having something like

548
00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:36,390
no,

549
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:44,280
or nil, you have a, you have a
structure called an optional

550
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:50,070
that has within it, it can, it
has two possible values, like

551
00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:54,000
some or none. So what you can do
is you can just return that

552
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,280
optional. If you call a
function, the function can

553
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,540
return that optional and say,

554
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,390
and it really returns one or the
other, or none. And you can key

555
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:06,660
off that. And rather than having
to interpret what this one

556
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:11,310
single value, like no means
like, Okay, I don't know. So you

557
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:14,460
can, that's, that's the new way
to do it. So what you can, what

558
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:17,040
you can do in Rust is you can
say, okay, all of these fields

559
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,730
are optional. And these may may
be there, they may not. And

560
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:25,080
Saturday works great. It just
says, Okay, that's awesome. Now

561
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560
you get back, instead of getting
back a structure with numbers

562
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,020
and strings, you get back a
structure that has

563
00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,160
an extra layer in it that had
were some all the fields are

564
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,860
either some or none. And if
there's some they have your data

565
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:42,660
in it, if they're none, you just
ignore it. Perfect. Just what

566
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:45,300
you want. However, however,

567
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,410
combining that idea,

568
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:54,060
also with the ability to
interpret whether this whether

569
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:58,020
the field is correct or not. So
now you have two problems, you

570
00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:00,480
have the ability to solve the
problem of whether the fields

571
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,800
are missing. Now you have to go
another step and say, Okay, if

572
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,880
they're there?

573
00:37:06,990 --> 00:37:10,680
Are they the right type? Did
somebody put a number in here as

574
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,110
a number? Or did they put a
number in quotes where it's a

575
00:37:13,110 --> 00:37:14,370
number in a string.

576
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:19,170
And that's the part that is the
step that's killing me right

577
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:23,910
now. Because in order to do
that, you have to write a custom

578
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,110
D serializer.

579
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:30,600
And I will send, I will
personally send drips got

580
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,360
a picture of what a D, C or D D
serializer font helper function

581
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,890
looks like. It's called a
visitor.

582
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:40,410
It will make your eyes cross

583
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:47,040
it is the most it is not for the
faint of heart. And I got I got

584
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,010
halfway through this last night.
And I was like, no, no, I can't

585
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:55,350
do this. I can do tune in next
week to coding with Dave, where

586
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:57,900
we'll learn how to set up my
sequel.

587
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,280
Yes, next week table schemas.

588
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:07,140
I understand the issue. I got I
got the thank you for that

589
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:11,250
explanation. It was it was
enlightening. And you know

590
00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:12,030
what's gonna happen?

591
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:15,570
Alex gates is gonna say I'll

592
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,280
do it.

593
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:22,980
No, no, if if somebody will do
this, if somebody will write me

594
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:26,610
this, I will pay you many, many
SATs.

595
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:32,070
I am well, I'm willing to pay
somebody to walk me through like

596
00:38:32,070 --> 00:38:36,030
I'm a child on how to do this.
Because I can get I can get

597
00:38:36,030 --> 00:38:39,000
either one of these to work, but
I can not get the combination of

598
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,110
both of them to work. And I'm
I'm almost at the point of

599
00:38:43,110 --> 00:38:47,730
bailing out and just doing this
the old horrible way, which is

600
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,410
loop through, which is put them
all in just generic values and

601
00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:54,150
loop through them all and just
move them into

602
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:59,790
that was that's the Adam curry
AppleScript method. Yeah, that's

603
00:38:59,790 --> 00:39:03,660
what I don't want to do. Oh,
okay. I want to be a responsible

604
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:06,180
programmer. And Bill, you know,
I'm like, if I can just get this

605
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:08,970
to work, it's gonna I can I can
have this boilerplate code for

606
00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:11,280
the rest of my life. I'm just,

607
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:15,540
I'm grumpy. what's the, what's
the process? I mean, I've read

608
00:39:15,540 --> 00:39:21,390
the, the GitHub entry for it,
for getting this app into the

609
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:24,480
Umbral App Store. Because it
seems like they have to do some

610
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,140
stuff, they got to do something
custom with a Docker dot, the

611
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,340
ammo, and then they put it into
the App Store. I mean, is do

612
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,670
they look and see if your code
is shit? If it's rogue or

613
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:38,940
anything? Do you have any idea
about that? Man, I got no clue.

614
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:42,720
I know how to get it in the app
store. And it's pretty easy.

615
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,410
I've already Dockerized a
version of it and it works fine.

616
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:49,560
Can you do that outside of their
app, their process or do you

617
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,410
have to submit it to them?
That's the only way it goes out.

618
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:58,530
I think if I'm not mistaken, I
think it's all all based on poor

619
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:59,970
request to there.

620
00:40:01,290 --> 00:40:02,460
to their onboard repo.

621
00:40:03,899 --> 00:40:08,609
And like that seems to be what
their instructions say is that

622
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,189
because what you do is you clone
their you clone their source

623
00:40:11,189 --> 00:40:15,449
code repository. And then you
put your app information in it.

624
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,599
And it looks like you just
submit a pull request back. And

625
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,419
I guess they, they review it.
Maybe they look at your code

626
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:25,229
that way. It's an interesting
way to do code review. Makes

627
00:40:25,229 --> 00:40:28,109
sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm
just wondering if there's an

628
00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:32,009
extra step, how long it'll take
or if you can send that to me. I

629
00:40:32,009 --> 00:40:35,039
can install it outside of that's
what I'm that's what I'm going

630
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:38,729
for here. Dave, how do I get it
before anybody else? You

631
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:43,080
don't get the Cridland. Give it
to me first. Damn it.

632
00:40:44,850 --> 00:40:47,580
You're gonna get it baby. But
you have to reboot cuz then.

633
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,290
Yeah, there's great, new new
tour dress, the whole thing

634
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:56,850
comes crashing down. Hey, I'd go
ahead and sorry. No, as you can

635
00:40:56,850 --> 00:41:00,390
see, I think I think that the
way you do it is you're just,

636
00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,190
you're just building the Docker

637
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:08,130
where they call it the Docker
compose file on the Umbro repo.

638
00:41:08,490 --> 00:41:11,700
But the actual Docker image that
you create with your app in it

639
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:16,170
is actually stored on Docker
hub. So I think what happens is

640
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:19,830
when you just put your app
reference into their repository,

641
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:24,570
and then when they when when
somebody installs, oh, okay,

642
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,540
they see the reference and they
install it. What it does is just

643
00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:29,940
does a Docker poll in the
background to pull everything

644
00:41:29,940 --> 00:41:32,520
down off the Docker Hub. Ah,
okay.

645
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:35,910
Now, whether there's any
security involved in this or

646
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,880
code checking, yeah, it's like,
hey, click on this button.

647
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:43,710
Great. Got two gods, they've got
to do that. Which is part of the

648
00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:46,770
problem, of course, which is why
I'm asking how do you get around

649
00:41:46,770 --> 00:41:50,160
it? The last thing we need is
another apple, the apple of

650
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,830
Umbral we don't want that, by
the way, congratulate I don't

651
00:41:52,830 --> 00:41:55,890
know who said it. I thought I
heard the whole pod land

652
00:41:56,490 --> 00:42:00,660
podcast, but there was a chapter
image or something popped up and

653
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:01,020
it was

654
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,220
let me see. I want to read it. I
don't want to get it wrong. It

655
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:08,250
was really good. But anyway, the
acronym was Sagwa.

656
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:13,710
Is this on yesterday's potluck?
I believe so. Yeah. I haven't

657
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:15,840
finished it yet. I'm only
halfway through. I may have

658
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960
missed it. Yeah, let me see. So
the the acronym that popped up

659
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,040
was saga, which is Spotify,
Apple, Google Amazon. I love

660
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,170
that because that's our nemesis
right there.

661
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,310
Oh, yeah. Call me in podcasting
tube. Oh, it's actually the

662
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:35,970
right on the title podcasting.
2.0 is all about an open

663
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,730
interoperable ecosystem of apps
using RSS that create value not

664
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:46,890
closed ecosystems from saga that
pirate your podcasts? I don't

665
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:50,640
know that but I bet that Sam
says the thing that sounds like

666
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,140
a SAM thing. Well saga that was
like It's like saying yeah,

667
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,890
that's That's exactly it. Fang
and saga and saga is good

668
00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:00,060
because it is a saga.

669
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:08,100
Um yeah, the and I saw Gosh
Kyron McLarens great with the

670
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:11,790
with the with the fucked up
images. And he did the he did

671
00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:16,320
the one he's you know what I
mean? Yes. And he did he did one

672
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:18,750
you know the with the guy
looking at the hot chick in the

673
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:21,960
red dress or whatever. Yeah,
that was fun. Yeah, it's like

674
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,300
this this part for did He create
that for for fountain is? Yeah

675
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:31,380
for promo was that was it? I
don't know. Was it Oscar? That

676
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:34,260
way? I guess it was must have
been Oscar actually. Yeah. Yeah.

677
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,120
I think there's a fountain
promo. It could have been

678
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,480
awesome. Could have been Kyron.
That made it. But Oscar did it.

679
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,210
Yeah, you're right. It was just
hilarious. I thought that is too

680
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:45,810
funny. And then a little, little
apple and Spotify logo on the

681
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:50,970
girlfriend was funny. So good.
Hey, so how are we with with

682
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:55,950
comments? Because, you know,
we've this show has the social

683
00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:59,760
tag filled out. I've seen it
enough now that I think I can do

684
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,960
it on my other podcast. I know
the process. And I've been super

685
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,120
jacked to see it show up in pod
friend.

686
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,000
So where's everybody?

687
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:14,970
Work? So do you know exactly
what's happening here? No, of

688
00:44:14,970 --> 00:44:17,880
course not. That's why I come to
this meeting.

689
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,760
Why come to learn what the heck
is going on?

690
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,620
So

691
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:30,510
the so what we're doing is we're
posting a I'm just making a post

692
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:35,280
on the podcast index dot social,
and then grabbing the entry

693
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,570
point for that activity pub

694
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,370
as

695
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:41,880
a thread for that post post
right.

696
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,260
And then we're putting we're
plugging that into the social

697
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,770
tag social interact tag. Yes,
I'm right. What it's doing right

698
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:52,890
now is just pulling in from the
API just pulling that shit in.

699
00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:56,850
There's no way to reply at etc.
I'm just wondering. So what we

700
00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:59,970
need now is in pod friend away
to

701
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:01,500
I guess,

702
00:45:02,669 --> 00:45:07,139
reply post, and that would be
partial, you need to sign up URL

703
00:45:07,139 --> 00:45:11,369
if, if someone doesn't already
have an account. Yeah, so what

704
00:45:11,369 --> 00:45:17,999
you would need, you know, if if
anybody has a federated activity

705
00:45:17,999 --> 00:45:19,919
pub instance of some sort

706
00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:26,880
Pleroma, Mastodon, I have
several. Yeah, if you've already

707
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,870
got one of those,

708
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,150
you don't need to visit with me,
you know, it's just you just

709
00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:37,110
post wherever you're at. And
when you go, you know, click on

710
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:40,050
that it'll, you know, hey,
where's, you know, what, what's

711
00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:43,620
your home server so to speak,
like, quote, unquote, and you

712
00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:47,850
log into your account your
federated account, and just

713
00:45:47,850 --> 00:45:53,070
reply there, and it'll federate
out. So I don't for at least for

714
00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:55,410
activity pub, for most
instances, I don't think he

715
00:45:55,410 --> 00:46:00,090
would need anything special. I
think the signup link would be

716
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:04,080
good if somebody doesn't already
have an activity pub based

717
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:05,580
social media account.

718
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,490
And then that would just direct
them to podcast index. But I'm

719
00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:14,040
not sure we want to do that
necessarily. Get a bunch of

720
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,150
random, you know, posters in
there. Maybe maybe a sign up

721
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:21,330
could be like Master Nanda,
social or some just kind of big

722
00:46:21,390 --> 00:46:27,210
insights like that. So is this
just a matter of Martin adding

723
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:32,400
those bits? I think so. Yeah, he
just needs to add a UI to pull

724
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,930
in from to hook into whatever
social signup is, or if there's

725
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:41,850
no social signup link, maybe he
could just have a default to a

726
00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:47,130
big a big X, AP based instance.
And say, if you want to reply to

727
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:50,520
this, go get yourself an account
here. Now, Andy layman popped in

728
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,580
this morning and said that he
was interested in putting this

729
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:58,380
into WordPress, so that there
will be a WordPress based way to

730
00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:59,910
do this.

731
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,030
Yeah, which I think would be
really cool. So I think we're

732
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:04,680
gonna talk about that on the
next day of meeting.

733
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:10,770
It's it's there, it's just we
have the interactivity.

734
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:17,100
Needs to be needs to be there.
Now. There's some is it cast

735
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:21,120
upon? Yes, I think it's cast
apod they already have a

736
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,020
demonstration of the way this
works. Uh huh. Um,

737
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:28,800
I don't know if I can find it
quickly. But

738
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:34,830
if you go on there, cuz every
cast upon instance, has is a

739
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:38,760
fully functional act, activity
pub server. So if you go on

740
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,660
there, and you want to reply,
what it'll do is pop up a box,

741
00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:46,650
like a like a pop up window.
Asking you to log into your to

742
00:47:46,650 --> 00:47:50,940
your Yes, yes. Yeah, I've seen
it happen. Sure. Okay. Okay. And

743
00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:54,150
then that mean, that's the way
to do it. So I really the way to

744
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:58,800
do so I've had this, this very
small Mastadon that I haven't

745
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,370
touched in fact, I just had to
get the code from email. That's

746
00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:07,920
how long I hadn't hadn't logged
in. And, and it's so beautiful

747
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,410
because I think this was set up
before

748
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:17,730
podcast index dot social is host
Yeah, match dot host Exactly.

749
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:22,170
And I just searched at Dave at
podcast index dot social boom

750
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,610
shows up right away.

751
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:32,760
And from here, I'm going to
follow your post the one that

752
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,870
you made as the as the root node
for this this episode, right?

753
00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:41,640
Oh, yeah. For 62 Yeah, so I can
post I can post there. Oh, yeah.

754
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,270
I just see. I see. You just
popped up. popped up. It just

755
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:48,090
popped up and said that Adam
curry followed you. Oh, from

756
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:51,570
that other How do you feel about
that? I feel validated.

757
00:48:53,310 --> 00:48:57,390
What's interesting, though, is I
Okay, I see it now.

758
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,830
I see October 5.

759
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,630
Gosh, I don't have I don't have
everything and it hasn't I guess

760
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:09,990
it has to refresh or something.
I don't know. Yeah, this says

761
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:13,620
yeah, this says that you created
this back in December of 2020.

762
00:49:13,650 --> 00:49:18,960
See now December 2020. Okay,
weird has been around. That

763
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,120
doesn't make sense. I thought it
was earlier than that. Anyway,

764
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:23,070
it doesn't matter. Okay, got it.
So

765
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:26,190
so now we need everyone else to
jump on board.

766
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,790
So that's it. There's nothing
else needs to be done just

767
00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:33,810
implementing and getting it
getting it on? Yeah, yeah, I

768
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:37,020
mean, that's pretty much it and
so that that's well that's for

769
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:39,660
Mastodon or excuse me, not
Massa, for that's for activity,

770
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:43,920
bub pub based comments. And if
somebody wanted to do something

771
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,940
like Twitter based comments,
they would just need to be an

772
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:52,500
author to authorize. Yeah, it'd
be a no off, you know, to a

773
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,160
Twitter app and just that whole
song and dance. But I mean, the

774
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,860
linkage and everything is there.
Okay.

775
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,690
It feels like everyone just hit
a brick wall and stopped.

776
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:05,670
Well, I think.

777
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:11,340
I don't know. I mean, I feel I
think Mark Daniel J. Lewis,

778
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:14,430
Daniel J. Lewis should be
outraged. He's the one that

779
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:17,880
stopped the train and said, stop
with this live business. Let's

780
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,170
do comments who made these
decisions? Well, what I want to

781
00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:27,360
know from Daniel J. Lewis, is
why? I mean, he's a coder. Why

782
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,360
isn't he putting this on his
website? Yeah, because now

783
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,080
you're talking exactly. You want
to comments, bring it, bring it

784
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,610
on, brother. Put it on, put it
on my podcast reviews. This is

785
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,440
grumpy days. Everybody is grumpy
Dave? No, no, no.

786
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:48,630
I love you, Jason, Daniel, Jason
live. And live.

787
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:52,230
Live is a part of the same shit
you're dealing with right now.

788
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:53,670
Right? With the

789
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,710
I put live on I put live on the
shelf, so that I can finish the

790
00:50:58,740 --> 00:51:00,840
Instagram app. And then when I'm
finished with that,

791
00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:08,490
then I feel I will, I will have
some extra code that I can come

792
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:12,690
back to live with. This is going
to help live.

793
00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:17,700
This this is going to the the
booster gram app, when I'm

794
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,630
finished with this, I'm going to
have good code in order to put

795
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:26,790
because part of live is having
chat. And it needs to be three

796
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:30,030
streams of things coming in. It
needs to be a live chat room.

797
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:34,470
Also activity pub based comments
if there's a linkage there that

798
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:39,390
it can find like to like what
we're doing with with the

799
00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:42,900
comment threads. And booster
grams, they need to be all

800
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:47,970
coming into the same stream of
of posts on the same page. So

801
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:53,610
the booster grams stuff is is
doing this right here is going

802
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:58,590
to help me get the backend code
that I need to do that with. So

803
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:01,740
got it this Yes, stopping that
and doing this and then coming

804
00:52:01,740 --> 00:52:05,100
back to that as the way to go.
All right. Yeah.

805
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:09,390
What else? That's not enough.
There must be something else.

806
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,550
Yes, I met somebody posted on
podcast index dot social this

807
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:16,560
morning, that

808
00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:19,260
dash and asked for help

809
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:22,710
with stuff because people will
be more than willing to help

810
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:26,220
code things. And they're there.
Right? It's this is a

811
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:30,750
personality flaw of mine that I
tend to take on too much stuff

812
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:31,320
at once.

813
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,710
I don't know if it's me being a
control freak or what it is. How

814
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:36,060
do you feel about your mother?

815
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,870
This is only a two hour show.

816
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,650
But there's no that there? I
mean that that's just that's

817
00:52:46,650 --> 00:52:51,180
right. It's right. I do take on
too much. So anytime somebody

818
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:54,990
wants to most to jump in and
help construct this stuff.

819
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:58,500
Please feel free because if you
don't I will overload myself.

820
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:01,680
It's a it's a habit. get stopped
doing that.

821
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:05,220
Just

822
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:10,410
using Ted last oh, by the way,
I've seen three or four

823
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:15,030
episodes. Yeah, on the plane,
and we just I'm watching other

824
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:19,080
stuff now. But it's like one of
those long term I'll get around

825
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,510
to and watch it all, but I
thought it was quite

826
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:24,900
entertaining. I liked I like the
premise. I thought season one

827
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,950
was good. We we like Robin
Benjen in the last few days. And

828
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:33,090
that's all season one was good.
And but the I guess the reason I

829
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:39,240
brought it up was Thomas Agha.
Yeah, that show is guess so much

830
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:46,020
apple branding PR. Yeah. Oh, my
nauseating Well, it's apple.

831
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,860
It's Apple TV. Right. It's apple
produce. Yeah. I mean, like it's

832
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,770
they're talking all the time
about there's think there's

833
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:56,160
things you do as things you
don't do. And this is just for

834
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,550
such a good show and award
winning show. It's come across

835
00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:03,840
as whorish It does. Yeah, it
does. That's a good way to say

836
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,090
it. Like I mean, when the when
the lead character literally

837
00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:12,840
says you know, oh, these air
pods Max sound great.

838
00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:17,850
Bro, come across that. Yeah.

839
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,740
I mean, like, oh my god, I love
that the Escape key is back on

840
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:23,940
my MacBook Pro.

841
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:29,400
Yeah, one of them was like,
Yeah, I'm moving in with my

842
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,830
girlfriend and we're now sharing
an iCloud account. I'm like, oh

843
00:54:31,830 --> 00:54:35,250
my god, can you just stop? Oh,
that's how my that's Eddy Cue

844
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:39,030
man. Eddy Cue does that shit he
does. And I have to say

845
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:43,320
unfortunately, he's right.
Because it works. It works and

846
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:47,370
works. Does that if that's what
you want podcasting to turn

847
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:50,940
into? That's There you go. You
know? Well, that's what happens

848
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:53,970
when the silos take over. What
was Tina reading to me this

849
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:58,380
morning is a bad Glenn Greenwald
has announced a new independent

850
00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:59,790
podcast platform

851
00:55:00,539 --> 00:55:02,069
What Yeah, who wants

852
00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:08,520
to call in thing? Yes. I'm like,
oh, and yeah, so we reach out to

853
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,840
each other in actually all the
time. Which Yeah, it's really

854
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:13,530
she's

855
00:55:14,759 --> 00:55:20,279
okay. At night. I'm always
reading and I choose something

856
00:55:20,279 --> 00:55:23,219
that is like technical or
whatever something my as my eyes

857
00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:25,889
will glaze over and I'll fall
asleep and then she'll say can

858
00:55:25,889 --> 00:55:29,669
you read to me? I have read the
Satoshi white paper to her at

859
00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:30,959
least five times

860
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:34,680
yes, I have you asked her.

861
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,590
I'm sorry. Okay. Yeah. All
right. So she was reading to me

862
00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:43,290
this morning and then you know,
I'm listening to this like, oh

863
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:46,470
man said WHAT THE FUCK Glenn
Greenwald NASA go after. I

864
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:48,900
already had to get Brett
Weinstein's head on straight

865
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:52,740
which is still iffy, but I gotta
go find and I really liked

866
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:56,310
Glengarry Glen grant Greenwald,
Grant grant green, Roald Dahl

867
00:55:56,310 --> 00:55:59,280
ruff. And then she's read
because I know that, you know,

868
00:55:59,310 --> 00:56:03,360
he's, he's basically pitching
substack and rumble, I mean,

869
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,120
he's being paid by both and
that's fine. I'm very happy but

870
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:09,960
it's not like a platform that is
safe.

871
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,000
And not safe by any by any
means. But okay. And then she

872
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,360
starts reading about call as
well, actually, it was written

873
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,800
called as ca ll i n, but then
you realize it's really ca ll

874
00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:25,650
space i n. So it's not calling
I'm like, Oh, that's interesting

875
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:28,920
name. But it's Oh, yeah, that's
confused. Me too. Because like

876
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,180
calling Yeah, no, it's it's
clubhouse. Yes. What?

877
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,990
Oh, brother. Nice. All those
things, those social audio

878
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:43,830
things. I'm sorry. They're just
pictures. How's How's Mark fun.

879
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:49,740
Mark Cuban did the keynote.
Hello, Podcast Movement. Hello,

880
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:54,870
you idiots. That disappeared? I
mean, it's gone. Right? Yeah, of

881
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:58,500
course. It pisses me off because
everyone's jacking off. You

882
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:04,080
know. And now it's like, Oh, I
really hope Facebook buys Lipson

883
00:57:04,110 --> 00:57:06,030
and blueberry please.

884
00:57:07,050 --> 00:57:10,830
They just published a show,
which sounded like an old show

885
00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:14,220
where they have the two the two
women on who are the product

886
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:18,510
managers for for Facebook. And
it's like, it would it was an

887
00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:22,260
old show. What is the repeat? I
didn't understand. But yeah,

888
00:57:22,530 --> 00:57:26,520
it's like, Oh, yeah. Always got
clips are so great. And all

889
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,960
we're doing on that. Hmm.

890
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:32,100
What I thought was interesting
is did you see John's burlock

891
00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:38,070
Spurlock stats from October? Did
not okay. You know, he's what

892
00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:40,920
he's doing is he's looking at
he's looking at podcasting

893
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,340
stats. I heard about it. I think
I heard about it on pod news or

894
00:57:44,370 --> 00:57:48,240
Yeah, yeah, probably. And he's
looking at it from the amount of

895
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,460
new pup episodes published in a
month. And yeah, Buzzsprout was

896
00:57:53,460 --> 00:57:57,960
number three or something. Yeah,
so you get anchor Spreaker

897
00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:03,270
Buzzsprout. Triton digital
Lipson, sound, SoundCloud, pod

898
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:08,850
bean, other books, sermon, audio
megaphone. Those are the top 10

899
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,490
I think it needs to reparse it
again. And I'll tell you why.

900
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Okay, I think a lot of is just
the free poster. The what is it?

901
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:21,390
What's the top one? Anchor?
Anchor Spreaker anchor Spreaker

902
00:58:21,420 --> 00:58:22,020
and

903
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:27,810
SoundCloud, I would say the
metric should be new episode

904
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:31,890
from an existing podcast because
I have a feeling was crept in

905
00:58:31,890 --> 00:58:35,460
there is new episodes from new
podcasts. And yeah, of course

906
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:39,450
with marketing. These guys have
to have hundreds if not 1000s of

907
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:43,740
new signups per month. Okay, so
that's exactly I'm glad you said

908
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:45,690
I could. That's exactly why I
brought this up because I had

909
00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:49,830
the same thought that really
that needs more. It needs more

910
00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:52,530
qualifiers on it. One more One
more grip.

911
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Okay, now grip that he used to
do one more grip I need to grip

912
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,920
the data one more time. Yeah, if
I grip it, pipe it to grip.

913
00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:06,630
If if new equals no or whatever,
get out. Yeah, that'll do it.

914
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:09,660
That pretty much cleans it all
up. Yeah. Well, okay. So if you

915
00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:13,740
so I'm looking at this at the
top 25 You have anchor

916
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:20,700
Spreaker which is a free has
these maybe some of these hosts

917
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:25,230
are not all they're not 100%.
Free. They have free plans. So

918
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,430
yeah, and where's Red was red
bullets square circle. Okay, on

919
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:33,840
there. What red circles that red
circle? What's the one what our

920
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,530
buddy in Nigeria uses? Yeah,
okay. Yeah, he's his red circle.

921
00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:41,700
The red circle. Michael Caden
from red circle. He's on the

922
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:44,010
podcast index social right now
is helping him with some stuff

923
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:46,290
last night. Yeah, I kind of like
what those guys are doing.

924
00:59:46,290 --> 00:59:49,500
Interesting. Interesting
proposition they have. Yeah, I

925
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:54,750
like the idea of free but, but
in a way that's sane. Yeah. It's

926
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,940
like you can tell where the
money's coming from. It's not

927
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:58,860
just all magic VC money, you
know?

928
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,050
Now like, I like, trying to do
stuff like that. I mean, because

929
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:07,830
we're putting our stuff is free.
But everybody, I mean, listen to

930
01:00:07,830 --> 01:00:11,190
the show until where the money's
coming from. It's pretty obvious

931
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,130
who's keeping it afloat. Yeah,
exactly. I mean, as long as it's

932
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:16,230
transparent, that's all you
know. That's, that's what's

933
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:23,130
important. But the, so you got
anchor Spreaker, SoundCloud.

934
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,370
iBooks. Now iBooks also has

935
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:31,860
Australian or Russian Australian
Spanish speaking. Oh, I think

936
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:34,290
there's Central America, two
strikes

937
01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:36,450
in

938
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:41,970
the Internet Archive, so
archive.org also free. So I

939
01:00:41,970 --> 01:00:45,450
yeah, I think some some of that
could be would be really

940
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:46,710
interesting if he would

941
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:54,240
do what you said and parse it as
new episodes per existing feed

942
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,810
rather than new episodes for a
new feed. Yeah. Because that

943
01:00:57,810 --> 01:01:00,660
just just comes out. That just
comes down to marketing. And I

944
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,410
guarantee you Buzzsprout will be
number one. It seems to me like

945
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:08,490
the most active most
professional, most, I don't

946
01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:15,720
know, people who move the needle
on Buzzsprout. I would say close

947
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,980
second is probably RSS calm.
That's just my feeling. I have

948
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:21,330
no data to back it up.

949
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:27,600
Yeah, well, I mean, Lipson, that
was the other one. Lipson number

950
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,010
five was interesting. That tells
me that they have an established

951
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:37,260
user base. Yes, well, yeah. Of
course lips, Lipson has huge

952
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:42,720
legacy of podcasts. Yeah. And
they're people that are staying

953
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,710
there in publishing on a regular
basis rather than just like I

954
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:50,370
just wonder not getting this
huge influx of people right. I

955
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:53,400
wonder if if all the loops and
people will stay when Facebook

956
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:53,970
buys them?

957
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:02,130
Yeah, that when it'll become the
department they Lipson podcast

958
01:02:02,130 --> 01:02:04,620
marketing department of
Facebook, it'll be no it becomes

959
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:05,580
Facebook five.

960
01:02:07,230 --> 01:02:09,210
That's coming. It's gonna be
great.

961
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:14,520
I mean, I mean, did Adam it very
calm very mean today. I mean,

962
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:17,730
not by just here, all the energy
that got from Todd and from

963
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:20,430
Robin, there's so they've got so
much energy, and they're so

964
01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:23,220
enthusiastic, and I want them to
succeed. And I know what they're

965
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:26,100
doing and I'm happy for them.
But I just I wanted I want that

966
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:29,040
energy for us. Anyway.

967
01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:34,320
My partner's about to die, and I
need some energy.

968
01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:35,820
What?

969
01:02:37,140 --> 01:02:39,210
You're not sounding too good.
Yeah.

970
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,540
You're making me feel good about
this podcasting thing?

971
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:51,150
Now? Um, I just need some more.
Some more meds or something.

972
01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:53,340
Yeah, I've got to see if I can
make it through another week.

973
01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:57,120
I'm not going to die. But you
get a cold or flu every year. I

974
01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,200
think you mentioned to me or
not, yeah. Okay. Yes. I'm very

975
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,360
prone to sinus infection. Sucks.
I just had year round, nasal

976
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,020
drip from allergies never
stopped ever since I moved to

977
01:03:10,020 --> 01:03:15,630
Texas. And yeah, take Texas.
There's certain parts of I think

978
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:18,330
it's the how, and this is not
apply to Texas. But there's

979
01:03:18,330 --> 01:03:21,210
certain parts of the country
like the Ohio River Valley,

980
01:03:21,570 --> 01:03:25,080
certain people that have no
allergy problems. They've Yes,

981
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,140
it there. And it's like, boom,
they just get hammered. Yeah,

982
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,080
this is after your first year
after living in Texas is when

983
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,890
you develop all these allergies
and you're screwed. But hey, you

984
01:03:34,890 --> 01:03:38,370
can carry a gun. You never had
allergies before. You never

985
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,920
never. And I haven't I did. I
can manage it. I mean, I can

986
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,850
manage it now but I I destroyed
a lot of my my system living

987
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,730
downtown in my first apartment,
which was pretty leaky. And they

988
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:59,520
were just building all around.
And so I have a very sensitive

989
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,940
to mold. And so if you have mold
and it's floating through the

990
01:04:02,940 --> 01:04:06,090
air and it picks up you know,
little particles of diesel from

991
01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:11,880
the from the machinery that
really you know, it's even going

992
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,480
downtown. I have to bring
Kleenex as I know I'm going to

993
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,830
get an attack. Oh, well, the
minute that that oil enriched

994
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:26,940
pollen. It's my nasal. Yeah. Oh,
aap. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm

995
01:04:26,940 --> 01:04:33,150
Stephen B said he a subtle
reminder to tell the story of

996
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:37,440
how we met. I guess we promised
that on the last episode. Oh,

997
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:37,800
yeah.

998
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:40,350
Yeah, we met through.

999
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,460
We met through the Dave Winer
project through AECT for poets

1000
01:04:45,030 --> 01:04:46,980
in there was

1001
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:52,650
So Dave, you can probably tell
this. No, I actually like you to

1002
01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:57,270
tell it because I don't remember
it that well. But when you tell

1003
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:59,250
me then I'll probably be able to
add some color

1004
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,670
I started listening to no agenda
probably.

1005
01:05:03,689 --> 01:05:07,559
Maybe 12 years ago. I don't
remember. But it was it was

1006
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:11,249
definitely it was in the low.
How did you find no agenda? 100?

1007
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:15,419
How did you find? Three twit?
Yeah. Okay. I think it was in

1008
01:05:15,419 --> 01:05:18,269
the low, low one hundreds
episodes, maybe

1009
01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:21,060
early, early one hundreds.

1010
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:23,730
But

1011
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:28,320
I don't know, maybe episode one
120 or something like that. So I

1012
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,470
listened to for a while. And
then you made a switch from your

1013
01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:38,850
using Google Reader for your
show, research. Uh huh. And then

1014
01:05:39,090 --> 01:05:40,080
he started using.

1015
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:44,550
He's talked about it on on the
show you started using Dave

1016
01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:47,010
Weiner's OPML editor

1017
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,890
that he had recently sort of
read

1018
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:54,480
whatever you call it, yeah, he
did a huge a bundled into a Mac

1019
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,160
app, I think. Yeah. And so and
Reethi just renamed. I think he

1020
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,180
renamed it from Frontier to open
some radio radio to OPML. Maybe

1021
01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:07,920
no, no. Frontier. Yeah, you're
right. Okay. Yeah. And then you

1022
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,020
were talking about a few one, if
anybody wants a, an account, on

1023
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:15,930
your server, whatever, you're
giving out accounts. So I

1024
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:19,890
started playing with it, and
then joined that project,

1025
01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:22,440
because it was all being managed
through Google Groups. You're on

1026
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,130
my server?

1027
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:27,390
Yeah, I think so. Okay, I had a,
an account, didn't know what to

1028
01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:31,380
do with it. But I had an
account. And then got involved

1029
01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:36,930
in Google Groups in the AC T for
poets. thing. And we're spinning

1030
01:06:36,930 --> 01:06:37,230
up

1031
01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:42,570
spinning up AC two instances
with a copy of OPML editor

1032
01:06:42,570 --> 01:06:47,070
running on it. And I just
recently shut that down Windows

1033
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:49,020
Server 2000.

1034
01:06:50,220 --> 01:06:54,480
Like running the OPML. Editor.
That is, to me the most

1035
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,750
dangerous thing on the internet.
Remember, when blog currie.com

1036
01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:02,640
broke? Yes, yeah. Because what
would happen, just as an aside,

1037
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:08,280
this app would crash. And but
that was no problem, because you

1038
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,570
had another app that ran in the
system tray to start it again.

1039
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,140
You know, eventually, it will
have started so many times, that

1040
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:22,380
it would just stop you go in,
and you got to do RDP, and all

1041
01:07:22,380 --> 01:07:25,650
that shit to get into the
Windows machine. And then in the

1042
01:07:25,650 --> 01:07:30,360
system tray, you'd mouse over
it. And there would be like 1000

1043
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:33,900
OPML, editor icons, and you have
to move your mouse back and

1044
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:37,020
forth over the system tray for
them all to go and get them to

1045
01:07:37,020 --> 01:07:41,640
go away, then you had to get you
had to kill that restart your

1046
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,640
app, because you know, that was
in the cars that whatever you're

1047
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,740
doing, you needed to do is you
need to reboot the box. And you

1048
01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:55,230
had to make sure that the OPML
dot route file, ie the database

1049
01:07:55,650 --> 01:07:59,430
that it wasn't, you know, over
500 megabytes or something or

1050
01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:02,520
what have gigabytes because then
he would either fill up the

1051
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,300
drive you had to compact it
which had to do with the command

1052
01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:10,290
remember and all this Yeah, and
then finally it was all started

1053
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:14,190
again. It was working and and
then I had this period where it

1054
01:08:14,190 --> 01:08:19,110
was just getting hammered by if
was China or whatever it was. It

1055
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:22,410
was just it was so it was just
hammer hammer hammer and the

1056
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:25,440
poor thing couldn't handle it
anyway. Yeah, I guess I'd

1057
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:29,580
migrated so much that I just
pulled the plug on the whole

1058
01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:32,700
thing was cost me 300 bucks a
month. It was like some month

1059
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:36,150
because you know, you pay the
license fee. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1060
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:41,190
I totally can. Yeah, at
Rackspace. Yes, it was. Yes, it

1061
01:08:41,190 --> 01:08:44,460
was at Rackspace. You're right.
Yeah. No, but I had backups

1062
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:47,970
running and imaging and
everything was good system. I

1063
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:51,240
didn't mind. I didn't mind the
cost because it was really

1064
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,910
really good. And it ran a lot of
stuff and then at certain point,

1065
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:56,850
it was just data diminished so
much in use, I just pulled the

1066
01:08:56,850 --> 01:09:01,620
plug in. Bye bye. i You know, I
I Rackspace. doesn't let you

1067
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:02,790
keep the image.

1068
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:08,040
It just charges you you can't
shut it off. Right now. Like,

1069
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:10,980
like Amazon. If you shut it off,
you're not charged for it. And

1070
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:13,590
with Rackspace. I just keep
getting charged like so. Okay,

1071
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:14,430
so I didn't do it.

1072
01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:19,200
Yeah, that is dead anyway. Yes.
Big. Big diversion. Sorry.

1073
01:09:20,310 --> 01:09:23,820
No, sorry. That was that was my
whole life ran on that. Yeah.

1074
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:26,460
And then But then how do we
decide to start doing the

1075
01:09:26,460 --> 01:09:29,040
freedom controller? Because

1076
01:09:31,380 --> 01:09:36,420
well, you had a, you had a, you
had a tiff with no, I know what

1077
01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:38,910
happened. We were using instant
outliner.

1078
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,520
Remember that? Yeah. I remember.
So you know, and you had an

1079
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:48,000
outline and you could subscribe
so I could subscribe to Dave's

1080
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,480
outline, someone else's outline.
And then if you made an update

1081
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:55,530
to that outline, that that your
note in my outline, by the way,

1082
01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:59,430
this is still cool shit. It is
cool. Yeah, we just boop would

1083
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:59,970
go bold.

1084
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,270
whatever the thing is bold,
right? Bold, would show that it

1085
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:06,210
updated. You can still it's all
in freedom controller. It was

1086
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:09,330
basically a chat app. But it was
really handy because, you know,

1087
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,120
you could see how I can see how
you were thinking like, Oh,

1088
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,510
here's an art, you could archive
and I'm gonna stick this over,

1089
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:17,910
you could just move the
information and you could have,

1090
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,090
in essence, like, Oh, check out
this, this line that I've been

1091
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:26,400
working on, or this text or just
a quick one liner note. And I

1092
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,620
believe what the way I think the
TIF was, that Weiner, just all

1093
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:33,840
of a sudden, like, pulled the
plug and just unplugged the

1094
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,550
whole thing. And we're like,
what happened? You know, it's

1095
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:38,010
like, he's not working anymore.
And he had it because he was

1096
01:10:38,010 --> 01:10:40,620
always good. He always gets
pissed off about someone saying

1097
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:44,880
something the wrong way or not
respectful, or you didn't give

1098
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:49,560
your bug report in the right
format, whatever the fuck. And

1099
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,380
then, so he freaks out and
unplugged everything. And I

1100
01:10:52,380 --> 01:10:54,630
think that somehow he got in
touch with us, like, let's just

1101
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:57,450
go work on our own thing. I
really liked that. It wasn't

1102
01:10:58,470 --> 01:11:01,200
it we didn't we wasn't instant
outlining was not the first

1103
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:05,730
thing that we were working on.
No, no, no. So you never got it.

1104
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,360
You would. You emailed me and
said, Hey, you wanna you want to

1105
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,750
do a project or whatever? You
had an idea for, like a social

1106
01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:18,240
network? Saying, type deal,
though, right? Yeah, we're gonna

1107
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,300
build Twitter. Yeah. Yeah,
essentially. Yeah. Yeah, I don't

1108
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:25,110
know. I remember. And I said,
Well, actually, I've, I've got

1109
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:28,080
this, because I had started
about three months before

1110
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:35,280
rewriting a lot of my favorite
parts of our of the OPML. idea.

1111
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:39,510
Yeah, the OPML. Editor in
Atlanta, what was it called?

1112
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:44,880
Again, the open source version?
Are you talking about the, it

1113
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,230
was like, it was river two. And
then rate. Radio was the

1114
01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:52,590
blogging part. Radio two was the
blogging part and all that

1115
01:11:52,590 --> 01:11:55,170
stuff. So I tried, I started
putting all those pieces

1116
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:59,550
together in a in a lamp, just a
LAMP stack, Linux based app.

1117
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,800
I started doing that. But the
one thing I always wanted this,

1118
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:10,530
I had always wanted this
forever, was a way to have a

1119
01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:12,120
bookmarklet in my browser,

1120
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,600
where I could be reading an
article, click the bookmarklet,

1121
01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:23,910
and have it save a copy of that
article, to a database on my

1122
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:29,010
server that I had. So that I
could create a paper trail as I

1123
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:33,420
read things across the internet,
where I could go back and say,

1124
01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:36,120
oh, you know what, I remember
this article that I read three,

1125
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:40,560
three months ago, but I don't
remember where I read it. And I

1126
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,620
wanted to be able to go and
search for it and find it in my

1127
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:47,820
database. And that keeps it
makes things searchable. And it

1128
01:12:47,820 --> 01:12:53,070
makes it to where, if that link
ever goes away, you still have a

1129
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:56,370
copy of the article, you've
archived it. So I always wanted

1130
01:12:56,370 --> 01:13:01,800
a digital article archiver. So
the pieces that I had put in was

1131
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:08,190
a news river RSS reader, a micro
blogging tool, and this article

1132
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:13,140
archiver function, which carta
lies, right cartulary Yeah. And

1133
01:13:13,140 --> 01:13:17,490
so God put it, and I put it in,
like I use, you sent me that

1134
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:20,220
email and said, Hey, you want to
build a project together? I got

1135
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:22,980
this idea. I was like, Well, I
don't know if this thing I'm

1136
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:27,120
working on would work. But like,
here it is, you want an account.

1137
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,100
So I set you up an account on my
server, and you're like, Oh, my

1138
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:33,090
God, this is my show notes. Like
this show notes right away.

1139
01:13:33,090 --> 01:13:36,960
Yeah, exactly. It's and it's the
same thing. I need a record of

1140
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,960
everything that I read
everything I did. And he did it

1141
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:43,320
in a nice, neat way organized,
that I can reorganize stuff and

1142
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,030
put it into into a show rundown
or topics that I'm going to talk

1143
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:50,430
about, which I'm very familiar
with outlining is how it worked,

1144
01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:54,660
my brain works. And then the
beauty part is then we have this

1145
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:58,110
you know this button that says
Publish click boom, and then you

1146
01:13:58,110 --> 01:14:02,910
turn show notes or literally
show prep into show notes. Yeah,

1147
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,870
that's really phenomenal. So
that the end and then we

1148
01:14:06,900 --> 01:14:09,540
strapped on all kinds of and
this is a 10 year project. And

1149
01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:12,780
meanwhile, your wife Melissa,
she became an artist and she was

1150
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:16,500
doing um, did she didn't she
started doing art for no agenda.

1151
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:21,450
Did she do a couple pieces? Yes,
she did. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And

1152
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:24,990
my, my daughter. My daughter was

1153
01:14:26,250 --> 01:14:28,560
me. No, we just moved out my
oldest daughter into an

1154
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,980
apartment Wednesday. Oh, my
goodness. I mean, she was I

1155
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:35,580
think she was like, I don't know
nine and oh, we started this.

1156
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:41,100
Ah, how they grow Dave and arch
and our final trial, the freedom

1157
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:44,220
controller will never leave the
nest. We never. We never

1158
01:14:44,220 --> 01:14:47,400
finished that child. That
child's not baked. It'd be

1159
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:51,420
living in his mom's basement for
the rest of his life. Living in

1160
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:54,750
mind for sure. I can't be
without it. Yeah, I cannot be

1161
01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:55,320
without it.

1162
01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:58,260
That's pretty much I mean,
that's, that's it. Yeah. And

1163
01:14:58,260 --> 01:15:00,000
then we, you know, we spent 10
years

1164
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,090
Working on aggregation fine
tuning it

1165
01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:09,990
the RSS generator did a lot with
that, man but we should use that

1166
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:12,870
out instant outlining again. How
cool was it? You know, you see,

1167
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:16,470
I know you don't follow them I
do whiners back on it man. He's

1168
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:19,950
he's created this whole Yeah,
he's now created all of frontier

1169
01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:20,490
in

1170
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:25,650
JavaScript JavaScript, I think
Yeah. And you know, it's now

1171
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:28,710
it's open source and now he's
he's doing the same thing is in

1172
01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:32,520
essence, you know, connecting
outliners and I look at him

1173
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,090
like, oh, and you know, he uses
Twitter for identity for log on

1174
01:15:36,090 --> 01:15:39,030
and this should be good. You
know, he's, it's all the all the

1175
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:43,590
same ideas is just another
iteration, that very few people

1176
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:44,340
will use

1177
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:48,840
an update one or I can't work
with him, but I love him. He's

1178
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:53,700
got such good ideas. Yeah, these
guys. Programmer Yeah. But I

1179
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:59,610
mean, like, that's so crisper, I
seen my like this, the instant

1180
01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:05,010
outliner idea was based on on an
outline inclusion, inclusion.

1181
01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:08,370
Yeah, which I still to this day
use. I mean, I use it in all my

1182
01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:11,250
show notes, I'm always including
different outlines from

1183
01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:14,430
different places. A lot of
people don't understand that

1184
01:16:14,430 --> 01:16:18,450
OPML can even do that. That was
the first iPod directory was

1185
01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:24,300
literally OPML includes you, if
so in an outline, in an OPML

1186
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:29,580
outline file, which is just XML,
one of the attributes in an X in

1187
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:35,160
a node and OPML node is
inclusion equals and then it can

1188
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:40,920
be in what you do is you put a
URL of another OPML file in that

1189
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,910
attribute. So then when you
double click the node to expand

1190
01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,510
it, what's supposed to happen is
that goes out, the app goes out

1191
01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:52,620
and gets the contents of that
other outline, and includes it

1192
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:55,680
as the cont as the children
content of that node when you

1193
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,820
expand it. Yeah. I think David
Davis forever angry that, you

1194
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:05,100
know, OPML became associated
with mp3 listings. Yes, I think

1195
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:08,010
that's the frustrations like
that's all that ever is

1196
01:17:08,010 --> 01:17:12,060
recognized for and I you know, I
always download a new outliner

1197
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:14,340
and let's see what it does. And
you know, lots of them will

1198
01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:18,870
import and export OPML none of
them do inclusion.

1199
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,130
Yeah, I can see why he's bitter
about that. Because it's just

1200
01:17:23,130 --> 01:17:27,000
became Oh OPML that's the thing
you trade in the trade cast. We

1201
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,270
I'm bitter about it, honestly,
because it was beautiful in

1202
01:17:30,270 --> 01:17:32,850
still is. It's an outliner
language.

1203
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:36,870
That's what all of the no agenda
show no system is built on is

1204
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:40,920
OPML inclusions and that's why
it was so easy to build search

1205
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,760
engines off of the show notes
because it's all it's all XML

1206
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,620
you can go and parse the whole

1207
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,190
the whole directory and get
everything structured data.

1208
01:17:50,850 --> 01:17:53,760
Let's thank some people David,
this is a value for value

1209
01:17:53,790 --> 01:17:58,200
project. It's not just the
podcast. The podcast is purely a

1210
01:17:58,290 --> 01:18:02,490
recording of the board meeting,
which we preside over and from

1211
01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:05,640
time to time we bring in other
board members we haven't had one

1212
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,310
in a few weeks so we should have
some who's coming up put it we

1213
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:14,220
have on the on the roster. Oh,
we have got let's see who we got

1214
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:19,560
Franco from CAST ematic coming
up, you know good. And we got

1215
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:24,510
James the week of Christmas.
Cridland Cleveland you know cool

1216
01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:27,060
we're gonna do a look back year
review

1217
01:18:29,310 --> 01:18:31,800
as well you got the right guy
for it. Yeah.

1218
01:18:33,090 --> 01:18:37,620
Roi ROI from Brees is going to
be December 3 Nice. That'd be

1219
01:18:37,620 --> 01:18:43,740
fun. Nice. Oh Jason from podcast
guru excellent. We got lined up

1220
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:46,830
nice got some man I think I got
stuff booked all the way out to

1221
01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:50,400
January the seventh baby nice I
appreciate it man you do a good

1222
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,430
job on keeping the balance
producing the show.

1223
01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:57,210
I'm trying to I try to alternate
we have a guest one week and

1224
01:18:57,210 --> 01:18:59,520
then just two of us the next
week so we don't get to guest

1225
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:00,840
heavy yeah it's kind of

1226
01:19:02,580 --> 01:19:06,180
value for value the It says it
right there on the tin. What you

1227
01:19:06,180 --> 01:19:09,750
do is if you take a long hard
look at yourself and say am I

1228
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:12,120
getting value out of this stuff
these guys are doing guys and

1229
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:16,530
gas and if you do write down a
number that you say is equal in

1230
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:19,380
your mind and your world not
ours or whatever it's worth to

1231
01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:22,470
you send that back to us you can
do it a podcast index.org scroll

1232
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:25,860
to the bottom is a big red
donate button for your Fiat fun

1233
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:31,920
coupons. We love people boosting
us and I believe looking at the

1234
01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:36,180
the email report this morning we
got a hefty boost No Yeah, we

1235
01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:36,780
got to begin

1236
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,500
begin all right. What's the
what's the big and what

1237
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:43,290
happened? What went down? What
are you learning? No, I'm saving

1238
01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:46,800
that for the end that's the big
crescendo Okay, all right. Let's

1239
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,760
let's thank some people. Oh,
okay. Right out the bat we get

1240
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:56,760
Sir Harry pilgrim as 22,112 sets
of 2112 Run ice you better

1241
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,000
explain what that is because you
keep boosting that

1242
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,180
amounted to Cridland and he
doesn't he doesn't get it.

1243
01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:08,190
Really? Yeah. Caitlin, are you
not a rush? Man? You've got it.

1244
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:12,990
2112 is their seminal album? I
wonder I wonder, you know that's

1245
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:16,890
that's gonna be the question I
shall ask. What music do you

1246
01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:22,110
listen to James Cridland? I'm
thinking Bucks Fizz. What the

1247
01:20:22,110 --> 01:20:26,340
heck is that? Don't worry. He
just cringed. Okay?

1248
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,060
What was that? He was that like,
Jamaican rap group or whatever?

1249
01:20:34,110 --> 01:20:35,700
Jamaican rap group.

1250
01:20:36,780 --> 01:20:38,580
I can't even remember the name
of it. It was

1251
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,740
something in something

1252
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:44,460
from a few weeks ago, I'm gonna
I'm gonna play you a little

1253
01:20:44,460 --> 01:20:48,510
bucks. Play a little Bucks Fizz.
Is that a British thing? Of

1254
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:49,110
course.

1255
01:20:51,780 --> 01:20:58,170
But see, you'll love it. Here we
go. Hit it. Oh, it's got to go

1256
01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:59,370
to the tubes. Here we go.

1257
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,480
Flux feels like the UX.

1258
01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:07,350
It's bucks. Foi ZZ

1259
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:12,090
Wait, wait for the wait for it

1260
01:21:16,620 --> 01:21:17,340
down

1261
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:22,530
oh my god. It sounds like
something in church. Yeah.

1262
01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:30,300
Making your mind up. Oh boy. I'm
exposing myself as a Bucks Fizz

1263
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:30,720
fan.

1264
01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:35,220
Your okay, what year was that
song? Oh, I just closed the tab.

1265
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:42,360
I'm gonna say without looking.
I'm gonna say 1979 maybe did a

1266
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,150
chart? Oh, yeah, but this was
number one. That's why That's

1267
01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:48,930
why it's a joke. Let me see.
This. That was number one in the

1268
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:51,360
UK in 1979. Possibly let me

1269
01:21:53,130 --> 01:21:54,810
just lost respect for the
British.

1270
01:21:57,330 --> 01:22:03,660
Oh, let's see bucks. They have a
website. bucks bucks. phys.co.uk

1271
01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:04,950
Let me see.

1272
01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:07,290
Here's their discography.

1273
01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:14,430
They probably still do gigs. Oh,
wow. Gray hair and shit and I am

1274
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:19,650
sorry. 1981 Okay, ready? Number
112 weeks in the UK chart

1275
01:22:19,650 --> 01:22:23,820
everybody. Oh, this is a Euro
vision group. Of course it is.

1276
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:27,390
Yeah, well, that's where the
number one hits come from. Okay,

1277
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:32,310
so this this saying ABA wouldn't
have been believable. But Bucks

1278
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:35,940
Fizz. Yeah, you know, I can see
James jammin out to some fizz.

1279
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:40,680
And they've got a picture on
Wikipedia of the skirt. Rip at

1280
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,550
Eurovision 1981. Know what,
that's all that was the wardrobe

1281
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:49,080
malfunction. Yes, yes, yes.
scandalous. Yes, Sir Terry Wogan

1282
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,190
was very amused.

1283
01:22:51,930 --> 01:22:55,860
Sir hearing pilgrim also was
amused and said long live neil

1284
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:58,920
peart rush boost. Yes. Thank you
very much.

1285
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,600
Let's see. 22,000 SATs. Wow.
From our buddy Mike Newman. He

1286
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:12,660
says about you boost. Yeah. Oh,
man. Yeah. Boost. keep on keepin

1287
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:15,960
on fellas. Mike Newman. 20,000.
Thanks, Mike. I appreciate it.

1288
01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:18,330
He's probably a second life guy.

1289
01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:22,650
Who, Mike? Yeah, and everyone in
Second Life was either name

1290
01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:26,460
Newman or something else. I was
Adam Adam Newman.

1291
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:29,370
Let's see.

1292
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:34,680
Oh, our friend B mozzie. Is that
Brian? mozzie? Uh huh. He says,

1293
01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:40,950
okay, so he Oh, this is a good
boost. 8374 which is beta. Oh,

1294
01:23:41,340 --> 01:23:46,920
yeah. Nice one says beta live
boosting. This is real talk.

1295
01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:50,940
Love podcasting tube cup. Ah,
okay. I get Yes. All right.

1296
01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:55,710
Testing 2.0. And new apps, but
I'm the choir not and you

1297
01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:59,610
couldn't convert. For instance,
web only apps without download

1298
01:23:59,610 --> 01:24:03,090
capability are a no go. We're in
the age of streaming. But not

1299
01:24:03,090 --> 01:24:05,820
everything is unlimited data and
having podcasts on a flight is

1300
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:10,050
essential. Good points. Yes, I
use different apps. I

1301
01:24:10,050 --> 01:24:14,790
personally, but I'm a web guy. I
stopped using apps at right

1302
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:18,180
after I learned how to put one
together and I saw that. What's

1303
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:22,530
that? That honeypot SDK that
everybody puts in there, that

1304
01:24:22,530 --> 01:24:26,670
Facebook thing? Like now I'll
just use web web browser so I

1305
01:24:26,670 --> 01:24:28,050
love the web apps. It's

1306
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,460
just I love them works great for
me. That's personal but that's

1307
01:24:32,460 --> 01:24:35,370
what's great about podcast apps
are extremely personal.

1308
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:40,500
Um, let's see. Okay, here we go.
We get to two these back to

1309
01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:47,160
backs and Brian came in with a
couple more 4929 SATs he says 48

1310
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:52,530
minutes and 29 seconds. The time
my new podcast app froze on the

1311
01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:55,650
episode and I had to switch over
to overcast to finish listening

1312
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,970
top 1,000% usability is the
biggest barrier when you

1313
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,940
have to sell the features that
caveat the bugs to new users, it

1314
01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:06,180
is an uphill battle for
adoption. Every new app can be

1315
01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:09,150
as well oiled as an overcast or
Pocket Cast, but they just need

1316
01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:14,400
to get there. I agree. I agree
to but as you pointed out on the

1317
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,360
previous episode, it takes time.
It doesn't, you know,

1318
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,760
it's not like Apple's App is all
fixed and spiffy, or Spotify is

1319
01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:28,140
all kind of everyone has all
software has bugs, it all sucks,

1320
01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:32,040
and everyone has issues and it's
just a matter of, I think it's

1321
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:36,090
time I that's, you know, we're
starting from scratch new

1322
01:25:36,090 --> 01:25:41,520
paradigms, new thinking, new,
new people, new ideas. It's,

1323
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,660
it's a very normal iteration.
Yeah, it's tough love, but true,

1324
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:50,520
but okay. Some things you just
can't eat some things you just

1325
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,520
can't replace. And time is one
of them when it comes to code, I

1326
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:57,450
think. I agree. I agree. And
yeah, we're, it's very early

1327
01:25:57,450 --> 01:26:02,220
days. These are all early
adopters. Yeah, yeah, totally.

1328
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:06,690
The one thing I would suggest is
let's all get some OPML import

1329
01:26:06,690 --> 01:26:10,770
and speaking of just podcast
lists, but let's let's all get

1330
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,190
OPML import and export working
that's your adoption that's

1331
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:18,090
that's the easy way people will
try something out but to have to

1332
01:26:18,090 --> 01:26:23,820
resubscribe if they can import
man that's just a historical

1333
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:28,020
learning take it for taking down
Frankie for it. Take it from me

1334
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:31,170
somebody somebody on podcast
index that's social a while back

1335
01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:35,070
was working I forget who it was
was working on a common back end

1336
01:26:35,070 --> 01:26:35,610
for

1337
01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:42,270
for OPML export import. Hmm. To
where any app could just connect

1338
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:46,620
to this thing and pull in
somebody is OPML that would if

1339
01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:49,410
somebody wants to pick that up
that would to me, that would be

1340
01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:51,660
a really cool service. Cool
idea. Yeah.

1341
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,650
Bronson, a third one he says
4829 set. My booster Graham

1342
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:03,480
should have been 4008 29 not
4929 for the faded 4829 Time

1343
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:04,800
Code even on buggy

1344
01:27:07,140 --> 01:27:09,060
like it. Thank you, man. That's
great. Brian.

1345
01:27:11,190 --> 01:27:14,610
Brian Oates and another one
elite boost 1337 and just said

1346
01:27:14,610 --> 01:27:16,140
boosted? Yeah, we will.

1347
01:27:19,860 --> 01:27:25,650
See, oh, yo, yo Ostrowski says.
He sent us 1000 SAS. He says

1348
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:28,290
Cass dose is an outstanding
product. Thanks for having them

1349
01:27:28,290 --> 01:27:29,130
on. Joe.

1350
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:36,690
I liked our chat with Yeah, it
was good. Very good, guys.

1351
01:27:38,910 --> 01:27:43,350
Oh, hardhats and 5000 SATs, and
he's just says boost.

1352
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,980
Thank you hard hat and DJ seeds.
Oh, I like that. No, that is

1353
01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:58,680
well. Yeah. DJ seeds is 5000
Sassy says what wishlist items

1354
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,170
do you have for developers?
Since you guys are constantly

1355
01:28:01,170 --> 01:28:04,530
thinking about podcasting 2.0
surfacing some of your ideas to

1356
01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:07,560
us developers, maybe in a
structured way, would be greatly

1357
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,880
appreciated. I know Dave likes
to do everything. But we would

1358
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,940
gladly listen. And that's what I
was talking about earlier. I

1359
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:18,150
don't necessarily like doing it
all. I just can't help it

1360
01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:21,150
sometimes. I know Dave is doing
everything. But we would gladly

1361
01:28:21,150 --> 01:28:23,190
take some things off his plate
and allow him to focus on other

1362
01:28:23,190 --> 01:28:27,780
things. Well, you know, I've,
I've got the the code. Thank

1363
01:28:27,780 --> 01:28:30,840
you. DJ says, I've got the code
posted up for

1364
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:37,890
for this diagram app. So what is
the code name of that? helo pad.

1365
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:43,290
And what is MK Ultra? That's the
live thing. Okay, got it. I

1366
01:28:43,290 --> 01:28:47,130
don't remember if I posted it or
not, but I'll post it as well.

1367
01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:51,540
So we can be uh, feel free to
jump in anywhere out. That's the

1368
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:55,980
beauty of GitHub. Yeah. Always
glad to do pull requests and all

1369
01:28:55,980 --> 01:28:59,010
that stuff. Anything you want to
do is totally great with me.

1370
01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:03,720
And I will try to do better
about that about about making

1371
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,900
things to do. Do you accessible?
Do you need to safe word?

1372
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:14,280
Say bucks. This is our safe
word. Mash. I'm gonna change the

1373
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,180
title of the show.

1374
01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:18,300
Is

1375
01:29:19,650 --> 01:29:24,300
C night and I'm gonna do this to
you to everyone's gonna be like,

1376
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:28,830
Hey Dave, Dave at Dave Bucks
Fizz, but I'm just gonna be a

1377
01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:33,990
fan. I'm just envisioning like
Eurovision Song Contest on stage

1378
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:35,310
in a gimp suit or something.

1379
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:41,130
Nice visual. That's worse than
goatse

1380
01:29:42,540 --> 01:29:46,920
1948 Boost. See, this is Brian
of London. The 1948 Boost is

1381
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,240
accompanied by $10 and $5 set as
a recurring weekly donation to

1382
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,050
build a PayPal gap. So good.
Thank you. Yeah, he says hi.

1383
01:30:00,870 --> 01:30:02,490
My dog. Yes

1384
01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:06,420
there is

1385
01:30:08,220 --> 01:30:11,940
minority left the room. Those
tyrannies man they they got they

1386
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:16,170
got some bark to them, don't
they? Oh yeah, I love it deep

1387
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:16,560
deep.

1388
01:30:17,699 --> 01:30:19,439
What's his name? In banjo?

1389
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:25,020
Our dog's name is Phoebe but
ultimately it's Francis or Baba,

1390
01:30:25,170 --> 01:30:28,740
depending on what the dog is
doing, depending on what you're

1391
01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:31,950
currently liking it or not like
yes, he does like I don't think

1392
01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:35,580
so. Francis like the dog doesn't
know. Francis.

1393
01:30:37,620 --> 01:30:38,160
Alright, right.

1394
01:30:40,260 --> 01:30:46,440
Let's see. We got 19 153 sets
from Kyron he says Warning to

1395
01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:50,610
kids at home. If no boosting can
be addictive. Say no to MK Ultra

1396
01:30:50,610 --> 01:30:51,090
boosts.

1397
01:30:54,930 --> 01:30:58,380
Man up, Australia's Got
something Yeah, they got some

1398
01:30:58,380 --> 01:30:58,800
humor.

1399
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:06,420
Arrow statica he's in 2376 sets
and he says unbeatable booster

1400
01:31:06,420 --> 01:31:12,690
grams. unbeatable. grams. Think
aerostatic aerostatic is about

1401
01:31:12,690 --> 01:31:13,470
to blow your mind.

1402
01:31:16,830 --> 01:31:22,920
iMac psi ma see? Oh, he's our
buddy Saltzman Paul Saltzman

1403
01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:27,360
says his 1000 SATs Salzman here
enjoying fountain in testing its

1404
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,870
boost functionality. Check out
spoken song lyrics my two

1405
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:33,360
minutes silly podcast hosted on
booksprout

1406
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,620
Check it out and Paul. Yes.

1407
01:31:40,050 --> 01:31:45,900
CASS peeling 3300 SATs and he
says thanks for the show boost.

1408
01:31:49,890 --> 01:31:51,420
You and here's the

1409
01:31:52,890 --> 01:31:54,510
mind blower. Okay.

1410
01:31:56,190 --> 01:31:56,880
aerostatic

1411
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,910
502,376 Holy crap.

1412
01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:07,020
Shot Carla 20 is Blaze.

1413
01:32:08,850 --> 01:32:13,440
Baller boots of the decade Holy
crap. Which chat Do we still

1414
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:17,070
have liquidity on the chat? I
don't know. I don't know we may

1415
01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:20,790
have to rent something from
lightning labs yeah holy crap

1416
01:32:20,820 --> 01:32:24,840
that's phenomenal. So that that
went through huh okay, so no

1417
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,590
kidding had 353 I'm looking
right I'm logging in that's 300

1418
01:32:28,590 --> 01:32:32,130
bucks man that's that's a match
Yeah, I mean, first of all,

1419
01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:37,320
thank you so much. Yes, that
that is that really helps. But

1420
01:32:37,530 --> 01:32:40,140
How the fuck did it get in
without depleting it handle

1421
01:32:40,140 --> 01:32:41,460
somewhere? I'm logging

1422
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:49,680
either lightnings routing is is
gotten very smart. Yeah. Or are

1423
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:54,330
we snuck that one in somehow and
under the underside channel

1424
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,440
what's while I'm looking at this
What's this note? Okay, says

1425
01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:02,190
mega arrow boost Happy Friday
guys make keep making life

1426
01:33:02,190 --> 01:33:06,060
better for podcasters hosts and
devs you are today's rockstars

1427
01:33:06,060 --> 01:33:09,960
of the money revolution today
include my PSB as a part of this

1428
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,680
half million set booster gram
let's see if it goes through it

1429
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,360
did it did man

1430
01:33:17,310 --> 01:33:20,550
this were like the Sex Pistols
of the of the the money

1431
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:21,270
revolution

1432
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:29,640
Yeah, let me log into this
502,376 SATs is there

1433
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,090
significance to the number well,
he said

1434
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:41,490
I had to include my PSB as a
part of this hat what is PSB Do

1435
01:33:41,490 --> 01:33:42,090
you know that name?

1436
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:48,720
Gosh I'm pretty good with
acronyms. Be personal service

1437
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,430
boosts personal

1438
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:53,280
it's got to be personal
something

1439
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:59,310
you know that people are yelling
at their podcast app. Oh, I got

1440
01:33:59,310 --> 01:34:03,960
it. I got I got I got it
personal standard boost. Oh, he

1441
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,820
included that okay, yes he is
normal boost is 2376 added the

1442
01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:12,630
personal standard boost to his
to his half million set. Got it.

1443
01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:15,630
Got it. Okay, I'm looking at I'm
loading here.

1444
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:19,050
Just was God that was a huge
boost somewhere.

1445
01:34:21,330 --> 01:34:25,620
Hey, man, we're all giddy about
it. Yeah, I gotta say I wonder

1446
01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:27,330
honestly, what do we get?

1447
01:34:28,500 --> 01:34:32,250
Just wonder what the routing was
that Well, I don't want to know

1448
01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:35,370
that too. Well, although I do it
might have gone through Alex

1449
01:34:35,370 --> 01:34:40,080
gates is node. Is he ever big
that big? We have half that we

1450
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:45,420
have almost half a million SATs
on our end from his from his did

1451
01:34:45,420 --> 01:34:48,510
his swing did it just Yeah, I
don't. The way that's what I

1452
01:34:48,510 --> 01:34:53,040
don't know. Highway to Hell. Oh,
Highway to Hell that channel was

1453
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:58,470
666,666 sets. Thanks. See

1454
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,640
Thanks, Satan. It's like the
music awards. Uh oh, you know,

1455
01:35:05,670 --> 01:35:10,050
no, I'll bet you. Yeah, it's a
breeze. Lm pay.

1456
01:35:11,130 --> 01:35:15,780
Oh, okay. Yeah, I can see it
because LM pay. Now we've got

1457
01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:20,160
700,000 SATs on our side from
from our big. We have a 5

1458
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,240
million Satoshi channel with LM
pay. Okay, so that's where

1459
01:35:24,270 --> 01:35:27,330
that's where it hit. Okay. Yeah,
I'd forgotten we have, we're

1460
01:35:27,330 --> 01:35:32,130
smart. We, we put your money
where it counts into liquidity

1461
01:35:32,130 --> 01:35:35,310
in the node. And so that's where
that's where it works. So I

1462
01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:39,450
wonder what that should try a
million next time. Let's see if

1463
01:35:39,450 --> 01:35:44,220
that was just just a suggestion.
Yeah. Look, don't stop pushing

1464
01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:47,190
boundaries. No, really. We
encourage this. We we have to

1465
01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:49,590
stress test the system. I mean,
you want to see if you can break

1466
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:51,000
it. Come on, man. Step it up.

1467
01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:53,850
Seriously, though,

1468
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:58,860
thank you very much. aerostatic.
That is that is it for testing.

1469
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:01,770
Thank you. This is the biggest
as far as I know, the biggest

1470
01:36:01,770 --> 01:36:06,690
boost we've had. It's proven it
proves a lot that this this

1471
01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:10,710
works. This is really really,
really a seminal moment.

1472
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,290
And it's aerostatic is on is
currently king of the hill. But

1473
01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:19,650
he's right put these right to be
dethroned. Oh, yeah. I can

1474
01:36:19,650 --> 01:36:23,310
already see I see people in the
woodworks already. Yeah. Like

1475
01:36:23,340 --> 01:36:26,850
somewhere. I've got a wallet
with some SATs left. Yeah, get

1476
01:36:26,850 --> 01:36:30,450
hard drive somewhere. Oh, by the
way, I hooked up my blue wallet

1477
01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:33,840
to my Umbral very slick.

1478
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:37,500
Oh, can it act as a remote
managed, like a remote managed

1479
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:42,000
wallet? I do. Yeah. So actually,
I'm going to give Tina cuz, you

1480
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,750
know, it's, it's like LM bits or
LM PE in a way, you know, you're

1481
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:49,530
on the same note, but it's just
an accounting system. And so she

1482
01:36:49,530 --> 01:36:52,440
just boom, you just got a little
lightning wallet, and then you

1483
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:54,090
can send SATs into it.

1484
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,350
And, you know, it's just it's
great for setting someone up

1485
01:36:58,350 --> 01:37:00,420
with their individual wallet
that they can actually do

1486
01:37:00,420 --> 01:37:03,000
something with that isn't too
hard. You know, because blue

1487
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,270
wallet, you could just set up
one, one wallet, and you're good

1488
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:08,730
to go. And you know it you just

1489
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:13,860
flash the QR code. And it's
connected and they just need to

1490
01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:14,550
fill it up.

1491
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:19,740
At you need. Okay, so play. Do
you got clips? I do. I do. Of

1492
01:37:19,740 --> 01:37:24,150
course I do. Play that Kawasaki.
$500. For what this is from your

1493
01:37:24,900 --> 01:37:28,170
interview with Guy Kawasaki. Oh,
this is the

1494
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:32,820
what is it called? Interesting
people, something like that.

1495
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:36,420
Yeah. So I'm like, here we go.
Whatever this show was worth to

1496
01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:39,210
you just write that number down
and send it to us. And we still

1497
01:37:39,210 --> 01:37:43,530
got a lot of people sending $5
Quite a few sending $50. And lo

1498
01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:49,500
and behold, a whole bunch of
people sent $500 Which $500 For

1499
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:54,480
what? That was the value they
got out of the podcast. I love

1500
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:55,140
it how he's like.

1501
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:04,440
Yeah, that was so crazy. What I
mean, like, that tells me he's

1502
01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:10,350
he doesn't value his own
content. Thank you. Exactly. So

1503
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:13,470
I mean, like if somebody values
if somebody sends you $500, they

1504
01:38:13,470 --> 01:38:17,670
don't just do it for kicks. They
do it because they see value in

1505
01:38:17,670 --> 01:38:20,760
it. Yeah. And that has not value
that you assign to it. That's

1506
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:24,750
value that they assign to him.
The problem with podcasting is

1507
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:29,850
all the Gosh, darn charts, stop
with the charts. If you if

1508
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:32,670
you're reaching an audience
you're reaching and why, why is

1509
01:38:32,670 --> 01:38:39,390
everyone so insane about growing
their podcast? Seriously, this

1510
01:38:39,390 --> 01:38:43,050
is a serious question. Why is
the number one mission that has

1511
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:47,130
always talked about when it's
about podcasting at conferences,

1512
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,780
podcasts about podcasting? It's
always how am I how do I get

1513
01:38:51,780 --> 01:38:55,350
discovered? How do I grow? My
show? Is that the point of

1514
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:59,610
podcasting is my question. Dave
Jones, your opinion, the point

1515
01:38:59,610 --> 01:39:04,830
of podcasting is not to is not
to grow your show, because

1516
01:39:04,830 --> 01:39:08,760
that's, that's a, he might as
well say the point of podcasting

1517
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:09,540
is to

1518
01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:15,990
make it a certain color. Your
the point of podcasting is to

1519
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:20,430
connect with your audience in a
way that they get value from you

1520
01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:21,420
and in return it.

1521
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,520
You create a shared value
between the two between you and

1522
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:31,290
your audience, whether that's if
it's if it's 1000 people, and

1523
01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:35,190
it's sustainable. What does it
matter if you need to grow? I

1524
01:39:35,190 --> 01:39:39,030
mean, I don't really understand
an old paradigm. It's an old

1525
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:43,890
paradigm of mainstream of
ratings of reach of audience,

1526
01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:46,800
ultimately of power for many.

1527
01:39:48,030 --> 01:39:53,220
So I would posit that if you're
just growing your audience,

1528
01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:55,680
you're not doing it the right
way. The only way to grow your

1529
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,680
audience is to have an
outstanding product. Boom.

1530
01:39:58,710 --> 01:40:00,000
That's it. Just have an
outstanding

1531
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,660
Any product, and I love what you
said the day that you connect

1532
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:07,560
that people connect with. That's
what it is. These are no long

1533
01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:13,980
clubhouse suck. Get out of here.
email, Twitter booster grams,

1534
01:40:13,980 --> 01:40:16,980
you know, there's a million ways
every community will will do it

1535
01:40:16,980 --> 01:40:20,610
differently. But you're serving
a community, you may be building

1536
01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:24,630
a community. That's okay.
Because that's what you're going

1537
01:40:24,630 --> 01:40:28,050
to wind up with anyway, whether
you like it or not, but this

1538
01:40:28,050 --> 01:40:33,510
incessant owe to discovery, I
ask people all time how'd you

1539
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:36,900
find the show? I heard about it
from someone else. I googled it.

1540
01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:40,770
I googled something. And I found
it. I never hear anyone say, oh,

1541
01:40:40,770 --> 01:40:43,350
yeah, no, I got this from my
podcast app from my

1542
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:45,690
recommendations. It's not about
that.

1543
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,790
Yeah, make a great product.
Well, you only reason to grow

1544
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:54,570
your audience, from that
traditional stance is that you

1545
01:40:54,750 --> 01:40:58,080
is so that you're building up
numbers that you can then sell

1546
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:02,820
to an advertiser precisely. And
now you just you have the money

1547
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:07,140
just trickling in 24/7. And no
one's fast forwarding.

1548
01:41:08,670 --> 01:41:10,350
You're not annoying people.

1549
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,580
And some ads. I like you know,
there's this reps. If I'm

1550
01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:17,700
listening to Marty bent, I don't
mind hearing the ads. Sometimes

1551
01:41:17,700 --> 01:41:21,360
there's something interesting.
It's of interest to me. But in

1552
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,810
general, do an ad on this show
one day, I don't need to hear an

1553
01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:28,200
ad for fast moving consumer
goods. You know, I don't need to

1554
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,910
hear that. Well,

1555
01:41:31,290 --> 01:41:32,130
I forget who was

1556
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:38,040
we just read a histogram from
somebody promoting their their

1557
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:41,910
podcast? Yes, fine. Oh, I'm
fine.

1558
01:41:43,140 --> 01:41:45,540
I'm just gonna write something
down. Remember, I? I just don't

1559
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:48,540
want to sell my audience to
them. No, of course not.

1560
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:54,480
Mitch, let's do some monthly
Mitch from pod verse $50. Thank

1561
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:54,870
you, but

1562
01:41:56,970 --> 01:41:58,590
always coming in and helping us
out.

1563
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,610
Krista to char bark. $10.

1564
01:42:03,690 --> 01:42:06,330
Mitch always comes in twice.
He's got a 50 and a 10. So he

1565
01:42:06,330 --> 01:42:10,980
came in with another 10 inch.
Thank you, man. Terry Keller, he

1566
01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:15,120
has always been given us $4.11
The 411. He's the human

1567
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,740
subscription. He is and then I
know that he bumped it for 411

1568
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:24,180
to $5. So we thank you. Thank
you, but most X is still at 411.

1569
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:24,810
On his

1570
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:30,060
on his. He's easy. It's just a
reminder to me every show that

1571
01:42:30,060 --> 01:42:35,190
hey, set up subscriptions idiot.
Okay, thanks, Terry. Yeah. Alice

1572
01:42:35,190 --> 01:42:38,460
gates, the podcasting. 2.0
console. Yeah. $25 Thank you

1573
01:42:38,460 --> 01:42:39,780
very much. Nice.

1574
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:48,090
Jeremy, Kevin, all $10 Jeremy
and Jerry, Jeffrey Rutherford.

1575
01:42:48,690 --> 01:42:54,540
$5. And Chris Cowan $5. Thank
you guys. That's all month

1576
01:42:54,540 --> 01:42:58,920
lease. And that's it. Well,
thank you all very much. This

1577
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,350
has been good. We're
transitioning to a foreign

1578
01:43:01,350 --> 01:43:08,400
Satoshi value for value
operation. And certainly what to

1579
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:12,240
aerostatic did helps helps even
an out because obviously we have

1580
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,090
less income the booster just
this less people doing it. But

1581
01:43:15,390 --> 01:43:20,040
screw that. I'm happy. This is
great. And I find myself all the

1582
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:23,460
time listening to podcasts now
like, oh, shit, let me just get

1583
01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:26,880
Oh, hold on a second. This is
what I think about this. It's

1584
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,720
it's a great way to put in
comments to feed back to the

1585
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:34,050
podcast. It's a great way to do
it. A reminder.

1586
01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:39,240
I was talking to the dude in
Belgium, he runs a radio station

1587
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,880
called memory land 60s 70s 80s.

1588
01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:47,010
And it's just starting it up but
he's got some investment and I

1589
01:43:47,010 --> 01:43:51,330
know the guy's been around. I
know the guy because he is I'm

1590
01:43:51,330 --> 01:43:55,500
going to give you the
comparison. He is the manager to

1591
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:56,550
the Dutch

1592
01:43:57,630 --> 01:43:58,680
Garth Brooks.

1593
01:44:01,350 --> 01:44:04,350
Which is which is the funniest
to wrap your head around that

1594
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:09,750
one nice guy Oh, hats and
everything. Almost almost. Yeah,

1595
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:13,620
the the kind of Dutch slash
Flemish version of it. And he's

1596
01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:16,080
had this idea for a long time.
And he wants to do this. He

1597
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:20,400
wants to do a 60s 70s 80s radio
station with young people. And

1598
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,120
he has a global system with
people all over the world. And

1599
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:27,360
so it'll make sense the
programming will be live and

1600
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:28,350
there will be it'll be

1601
01:44:30,060 --> 01:44:33,600
according to your timezone. So,
you know, the music will kind of

1602
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,620
adapt to the timezone that is up
next. It's a bit the whole, the

1603
01:44:37,620 --> 01:44:40,230
whole thing and he actually
pitched me he wanted me to

1604
01:44:40,230 --> 01:44:43,770
consult for him. And I'm like,
you know, I got no time for

1605
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:47,760
this. Yeah, I really don't. I
love the idea. I listened to a

1606
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,790
test stream. And I said, and
then I pitched him. I said,

1607
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:55,290
Well, why don't we do 2.0 And
this guy, he went nuts over it.

1608
01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:59,340
He's like, Oh my God, this makes
so much sense. He says can I

1609
01:44:59,340 --> 01:44:59,970
work with him?

1610
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,450
With podcast apps couldn't be
couldn't. Can we give them money

1611
01:45:03,450 --> 01:45:07,560
to promote to promote our
stream? So yeah, heck yeah. And

1612
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,050
I said, What do you think that
they would want to be promoted

1613
01:45:10,050 --> 01:45:11,820
on the air? I said, yeah.

1614
01:45:13,230 --> 01:45:16,560
So they want the full monty they
want the live booster Graham's,

1615
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,550
he wants the air talent to be
doing that. He wants to, you

1616
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:25,770
know, have membership clubs and
sell merch through through the,

1617
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,340
through the whole Satoshi wallet
system. He'd like to see that as

1618
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,910
you load up your money in the
app, and you participate in

1619
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:37,230
contests where you could win, he
wants the money to come back. So

1620
01:45:37,230 --> 01:45:39,870
if you're, you know, whatever,
if you call it 100, I'll just

1621
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:43,590
use an old analogy that you win
and they could send SATs back to

1622
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:48,180
your wallet, to they really want
to go very far. So what I'm

1623
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:51,660
pitching to our app developers,
is that we make an entry for

1624
01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:55,230
them. I guess I'll just set up
a, like a bogus RSS feed or

1625
01:45:55,230 --> 01:45:58,290
something. I'll help we'll
figure something out and put in

1626
01:45:58,290 --> 01:46:02,010
a live tag. And is it pod verse
that has a separate radio

1627
01:46:02,010 --> 01:46:04,770
section? I think so. Right?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So that

1628
01:46:04,770 --> 01:46:06,300
might be a great spot for it.

1629
01:46:07,470 --> 01:46:12,360
He's paying ASCAP BMI, it's all
it's all legit. Just a thought

1630
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:15,360
that we could see what we can do
with that, because it'll be a

1631
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:19,710
24/7 stream with talent that is
literally talking about 2.0.

1632
01:46:20,670 --> 01:46:23,250
That would be amazing. That's
one you know, that part of that

1633
01:46:23,250 --> 01:46:27,360
is one thing that nobody's done
yet. Is the boost. Boost going

1634
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,510
the other way? Yeah, totally
doable, but nobody's done it

1635
01:46:30,510 --> 01:46:34,170
yet. But that would be a really
cool thing. I just want to get

1636
01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:35,220
them up and running with

1637
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,670
with MK Ultra.

1638
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:44,400
Oh, yeah. So we can Yes. Are you
made with the booster gram app?

1639
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,280
So that yeah, I just read it
all. Exactly. Well, also the

1640
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,820
whole life thing. You know, they
need a chat box when people go

1641
01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:54,990
in, did it. Whether that's from
a page, but I prefer to be from

1642
01:46:54,990 --> 01:46:57,180
the app, you just send a booster
gram while you're listening.

1643
01:46:57,180 --> 01:46:57,900
Hello.

1644
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,860
And then the DJs will read it
back.

1645
01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:04,770
They need a they need a

1646
01:47:06,570 --> 01:47:07,290
way to call it.

1647
01:47:08,580 --> 01:47:12,930
They need a node going oh, no,
no, he's he's, he's ready for

1648
01:47:12,930 --> 01:47:15,090
me. He's already like, do you
think that we could have at

1649
01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:19,320
least one app that works by
December 5? I said no. Well, I

1650
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,590
don't know. He's got a promotion
in mind. He's already this is

1651
01:47:22,590 --> 01:47:26,520
how this guy thinks remember
managing the Dutch Garth Brooks?

1652
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,060
You got something going on?
Yeah, I mean, that'll get you

1653
01:47:30,780 --> 01:47:34,140
right in that he's a nice he's
been trained in this. Yes,

1654
01:47:34,140 --> 01:47:38,430
exactly. Yeah. And he does
festivals and so he has he has

1655
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:43,380
very very big plans and I just I
completely orange pilled him and

1656
01:47:43,380 --> 01:47:48,060
I didn't take much because he's
like he's you know the the

1657
01:47:48,060 --> 01:47:53,010
Belgians in my they're kind of
like the Texas of the EU in a

1658
01:47:53,010 --> 01:47:55,920
way the Flemish at least not the
French part. They hate each

1659
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:56,430
other to

1660
01:47:57,510 --> 01:48:01,110
Belgium is isn't that the one
that's like part for part

1661
01:48:01,110 --> 01:48:03,990
fringe? Yes. Part. Yeah. The
Flemish Yeah, and you have the

1662
01:48:04,050 --> 01:48:07,440
balloons and they hate each
other and the end so the Flemish

1663
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:12,030
part speaks Dutch with it like
Southern accent only like like a

1664
01:48:12,030 --> 01:48:16,470
drawl. And the French part
speaks French obviously. And and

1665
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:19,410
if the whole place is a mess
It's the most corrupt country in

1666
01:48:19,410 --> 01:48:23,700
the world of course the the
European government you yeah in

1667
01:48:23,700 --> 01:48:24,360
Brussels.

1668
01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:28,830
The Belgians you know, they they
have a parliamentary system.

1669
01:48:28,980 --> 01:48:31,200
They couldn't get a coalition
together. They'd never

1670
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,660
government for like four and a
half years or something and no

1671
01:48:33,660 --> 01:48:36,900
one cares like new whatever.
They said, is a longer danger.

1672
01:48:37,770 --> 01:48:39,990
The danger is when you don't
have a government and then

1673
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:41,130
nobody notices anything.

1674
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:45,090
Oh, wait, we got to get one real
quick because they realize it's

1675
01:48:45,090 --> 01:48:47,010
a scam. That's exactly.

1676
01:48:48,750 --> 01:48:53,490
Anyway, so they got a 256k
stream and and when he gives it

1677
01:48:53,490 --> 01:48:56,820
to me, then we can use it and
I'm not sure exactly what needs

1678
01:48:56,820 --> 01:48:59,850
to be done. Someone tell me I'll
be happy to do it. I want to

1679
01:48:59,850 --> 01:49:02,880
help this guy out. And I'd love
to see this work because it's a

1680
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,970
logical step. And the
programming is pretty

1681
01:49:05,970 --> 01:49:09,390
interesting because yes, indeed,
you might go from Pat Benatar to

1682
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:15,750
Bucks Fizz that is possible on
memory land Yes sir. Memory land

1683
01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:18,180
I love that neighbor. Right
well, it was called yesterday

1684
01:49:18,180 --> 01:49:21,990
land and and so I did a three
hour chat with him where he

1685
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:24,690
wanted me to consult him now I'm
not going to do that, but can I

1686
01:49:24,690 --> 01:49:28,380
make a suggestion memory land.
So yesterday was yesterday is

1687
01:49:28,380 --> 01:49:32,820
done memory this day forever.
And then and then please add

1688
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:36,570
superstation to it. superstation
memory land

1689
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,470
that's you going back to your
room? That's big. charging money

1690
01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:47,100
for that. Yeah, we should. Well,
we'll be in this split. He said,

1691
01:49:47,130 --> 01:49:49,860
you'd be happy to put us in the
split. And anyone else of

1692
01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:52,230
course, you know, this. He
understood he understands the

1693
01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:56,550
idea didn't didn't flinch when I
said this is completely

1694
01:49:56,550 --> 01:50:00,000
voluntary. Cuz he was like, oh
my god, anything

1695
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,880
to not have to brake every 20
minutes for the shittiest

1696
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,750
commercials. It's a pain in the
ass my whole model is based on

1697
01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:10,530
it. He says Can we also can we
then split off money and pay the

1698
01:50:10,530 --> 01:50:17,700
air talent as a yes. Well Sam
Sethi at at at River radio he

1699
01:50:17,700 --> 01:50:21,960
needs to do the same thing get
get a node put the boost gram

1700
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:28,860
app into you give booster gram
app to your video. Yeah. on

1701
01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:33,120
there. Yeah, come on people. Why
didn't Why did to do jocose in

1702
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,460
the South have to come up with
all these ideas. What are you

1703
01:50:35,460 --> 01:50:38,190
doing? Yeah, like you have jobs
or something?

1704
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:43,920
We're breaking breaking new
radio ground. Nice work. Did you

1705
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:44,340
get it?

1706
01:50:46,530 --> 01:50:48,090
Alright, Dave, anything else for
you?

1707
01:50:49,260 --> 01:50:53,460
No, I'm good. I'm heading back
to the office. Okay. Yeah, I'm I

1708
01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:57,090
feel better. That's the most
important thing. We got to get

1709
01:50:57,090 --> 01:51:01,140
you healthy and keep you
healthy. Yeah, I'm gonna have it

1710
01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:06,210
on my to do list do not still be
snotty and gross by next Friday.

1711
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:09,480
Don't be snotty and gross. And
remember Bucks Fizz brother

1712
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:10,230
Bucks Fizz

1713
01:51:11,940 --> 01:51:14,700
that's it for podcasting. 2.0
for this week, we'll be back

1714
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:17,430
next Friday with another meeting
of the Board of Directors. We'll

1715
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:18,900
see you then everybody bye bye.

1716
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:39,240
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