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podcasting 2.0 for December
10 2021, episode 65 billion

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served. My favorite day of the
week, got to say top of the list

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of favorite podcasts to do Hello
everybody. Welcome to the

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official board meeting for
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dot social. I'm Adam curry here
in the heart of Hill Country,

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Texas and in Alabama, he dilutes
rust faster than Coca Cola, my

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friend on the other end, ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

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Oh my god, YouTube's gonna do
podcasting. freak out. Everybody

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freak their podcast. I mean,
that was the the topic of the

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week is YouTube coming in and
eating everybody's lunch?

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Oh, really? That's interesting.
I thought a different topic was

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the topic du jour. So I am very
interested to hear exactly what

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the YouTube news is. Are they
taking over a podcasting? Are

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they going to do it better? Are
they going to bring all the new

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features?

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And well evidently, evidently,
that's what Todd and Rob said on

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media. New media show. Yes. What
this what I started listening,

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but what what exactly did they
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Now he said that he thinks
they're gonna come in and start

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hosting podcasts, like hosting
podcast, yeah. Oh, monetization,

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and all that. Oh, mine. So that
that seems to be his

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understanding of some kind of
rumor or whatever. But that it

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because that goes further than
what was actually in the news.

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What was in the news was like
podcasting. YouTube says it may

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have a podcasting monetization
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Can you come closer to the mic?
You sound a little bit distant.

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Emma, is this better? As much
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Thank you. I got it. Got inhale
through your teeth now. Yes.

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Welcome to NPR podcast chat. How
you doing, Dave?

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I'm doing fantastic. I'm
thinking about YouTube and their

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know their monetization

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strategy. What is the strategy?

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I brought clips. Oh,

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I am God.

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Look for clips clips, Susan.
Well, she was like, she

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different. Jabberwocky, Susan,

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oh, we don't laugh about names
and podcasting. 2.0.

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But not even if it's the CEO of
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that's okay. Okay. Can I get a
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Just hold on a second. Seconded
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Excellent. Susan, what could you
Nikki? PLAY CLIP good.

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Content, moderation, obviously a
challenge. You're working on it.

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You have a strategy? What is the
next big kind of scary thing

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that you're worried about?

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Oh, who's doing this interview?

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I don't know. I forgot. I think
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I think so. Where was this from
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Oh, you're gonna make me sound?

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Oh, no, that's okay. I was just
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just, I think all CEOs should be
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CEO of GM or GM, GE. What do you
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good question for CEOs.

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Well, so here's the here's the
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interesting clip. There's kind
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first is first thing. She says,
you know, what, what keeps you

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at what's most scary to you?
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then the most interesting part
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she genuinely seems taken aback
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think that this was the this
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was scripted PA, but as in just
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that she was not expecting this
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because then you think, Okay,
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a decent answer, probably
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flub,

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right. Okay, yeah. I'll start
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Content, moderation, obviously,
a challenge. You're working on

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it, you have a strategy. What is
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that you're worried about? On
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I mean, right now, I mean, the
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huge area for us. And I think
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going to have to continue to be
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we're in a good place in the
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year. You know the way it works?
You just say stop. Stop. Okay.

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See? So this the reason I say
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scripted in this quarter by
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conversation up to this point I
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I just not it's not interesting
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content moderation. That was
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was about up until this point.
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she's still in content
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that to think of her answer.
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of her answer. Yes, yes. All
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for us. And I think it's
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have to continue to be on top
of, it's not, I think we're in a

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good place in the last couple of
years, we've put so much work

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from people, technology process,
experts in place to really make

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sure that we're on top of it,
but I'm always going to tell

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you, that's going to be one of
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responsibility. And we can never
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always going to be focused on
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other things to worry about,
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We're certainly very focused on
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crop because

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it's my favorite test.
Regulation, and she goes off the

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deep end would analyze. So this
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her name. By the way, analyzing
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Yeah, so the here, the
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is going to be she's going to
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uncomfortable mega laugh here in
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obnoxious kind, but it's very
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than this. So she's her first
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up with she's she replayed the
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get by herself time to think of
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thinks of is regulations, right.

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And then she's laughing. She's
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because she knows that it's
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and to her benefit? Because
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that's why she's laughing but

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regulated. So there's no one
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This is good regulation. Wait,
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this is a good clip.
Congratulations clip for the day

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But in terms of other things to
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regulation i We're certainly
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we across the globe, and there
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that we are that are in
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have a variety of different ways
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want to make sure that we're
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creators are able to continue to
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that they do. I'd also say, you
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competition. Right now everyone
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lot of growth. It's not just us
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companies that work okay.

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So she she says competition. And
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I'm like, oh, okay, well, this
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thing that she had. This is like
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she is worried about
competition, right? I think they

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are seeing this like, you know,
you can Laugh all you want to

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about rumble and you know,
Bridey on and all this crazy,

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you know all these? Oh, it's
it's it's dilutive? Yeah. It

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takes it takes. It's like death
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is a legitimate answer. But
here's where it fears into

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podcast,

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impacting YouTube. And we want
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you know, that our creators are
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do the great work that they do.
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a lot of competition. Right now
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we see a lot of growth. It's not
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global companies that we're
competing with. And then y'all

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are casting. Well, we're we're
excited about podcasting. Okay,

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hold on a second first leading
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witness. Do you think this was
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Do that. She's like,

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she wasn't ready for that.

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That's that's the fake the sort
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where it's like, I don't I don't
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know what I want to say. Oh, my
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Oh, my God. Let's listen. This
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And you're casting. Well, we're

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we're excited about podcasting.
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She is I think she's just really
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Doesn't that feel like the debts
and the sounds like the female

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version of the Bill Gates's
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Hmm. No. To me, it sounds like
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there. She is right. She's doing
I really excited. I think it's

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very It's so Bill Gates is
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know, he's nervous about people
and Epstein and all that crap.

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That's when he does that.
Although that's not true. No,

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I'm sorry. You're right. When
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that's when he does that.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But this I
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But this is bigger than that. I
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corkscrewing up. You know what I
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stuff. I love your journalistic
take Dave Jones. You never cease

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to amaze. I mean, Russ
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journalist, journal global. You
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What you need now.

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I got one a mastodon demonic
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with and, and y'all casting?
Well, we're, we're excited about

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podcasting, for sure. But you
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there's so many different
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a good opportunity for pod.
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podcasting to generate revenue
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crossed 50 million subscribers
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Yeah, when there's something
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was also the Lisa Laporte
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two ago, when and it doesn't
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it just by coincidence, when
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that they're absolutely not
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draw them out with an up with an
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you will hold your hand do this.
So this I do not believe is

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true. I do not know either. I
don't think the monetization

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thing is true. There's something
big in podcasting. Yeah. But I

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don't know about all this. Let's
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Well, we're, we're, we're
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sure. But you know that that's a
place where there's so many

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different companies, but we do
you think it's a good

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opportunity for pod, people who
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generate revenue have more
distribution, we crossed 50

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million subscribers for our
YouTube music and premium

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service. And so we know that
users are paying for the service

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and the more we can offer more
podcasts there, we think that

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will be a really valuable
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know, so we have we have a
number of I have many things

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that could keep me up at night.
And I'm, but I'm also excited

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about innovation I and that's
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Google and to YouTube was just
the ability to continue to

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create and use technology to
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what, blah, blah, blah, you

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know, so she's doing it. She's,
they're going to do a reverse

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Spotify reach around the
sweetest reach around.

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Yes, that's exactly you're
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what I thought there's, they're
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hosting company, I

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know, they're gonna have some
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whole directory. And and instead
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Spotify, audio will be a
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already is arguably, and people
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often are listening to video
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100% agree. That's exactly
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Podcast Directory, yep. Yep,
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throw there, standard YouTube,
monetization stuff is going to

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be on top of it, you'll get a
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that you can go claim it and do
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just be that I mean, it's not
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the hosting business. I don't
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when she says, we're really
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that's not she's not excited
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they kind of revamped the RSS
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feed burner? Yeah. Feedburner
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over there. So maybe maybe they
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I hope is that we get some some
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to look at podcasting. 2.0. You
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shows, and why don't you be a
good citizen? How about that?

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How about a revolutionary idea?
We will help promote people use

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your app if you support tags,
and if you support value for

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And we're making a great mark,
first push towards doing that by

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making fun of the CEOs name.
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now? Do you know Do you know who
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for value in podcasting?
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value in podcasting? Hit me,
Jack Dorsey. Yes, Twitter was

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audio. It was a podcast company,
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Cridland launched and was real.
By the way, James Kirtland did

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he did he reply to my post?

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Oh, I don't know. He was he's
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it going. I'm like, on a couple
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losing his voice. And then I
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it's some I know, it was it
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voice. Computer generated,
definitely Australian. So I

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said, Hey, can I You want me to
track a couple of days for you?

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I'd be happy to do that.

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That may be afraid to please the
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I mean, I'll just send him my
voice fit file. You can do

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whatever he wants. I'm serious
about that. There's nothing

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worse. It's like, you know, it's
like if you're a guitar player

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and you break your finger. No,
yeah, that's, you know, okay. So

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now you got it. So his, you
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His voice is all he's got. Come
on, come on, come on. Easy one.

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That was an easy one. It was
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what I thought that the news of
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actually, I think it's the
beginning of the new media

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shell. And I got an email from
Rob Greenlee. I don't get emails

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from Rob Greenlee very often.
Did you get an email from Rob

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Greenlee?

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Now, I've never gotten an email
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you feel less special?

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Yes. Okay.

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But it was interesting, because
this is a question you can

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answer. And so you have not seen
this. We have had no previous

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conversation. Can you affirm
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It is been this emails been in a
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for a week that nobody's seen
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It literally came in today. And
you're the only man who can

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really answer this. And so it's
good. Because there was a lot of

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talk about it. Podcasting 2.0
Here we go. A subject podcast

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index directory size, question
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mark. Hey, Adam, I'm hearing
that your directory of podcasts

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at the podcast index. Okay. I
wonder if he must have sent this

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too. It almost feels like a form
letter now. Your directory? It's

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not my directory of podcast,
okay. It doesn't matter. It just

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Do you know what I mean? Doesn't
doesn't sound like a personal

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note. So you may be sending it
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way. So it's possible. I'm here.
I am hearing that your directory

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of podcasts the podcast index
has a lot of duplications, as

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many are comparing it to the 2
million shows Apple lists and

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your 4.4 million shows. Can you
share what might be going on

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here? I'm trying to represent
accurate total numbers to the

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industry and trying to
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difference. Thanks, Rob
Greenlee. So let me take a stab

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at a few things. And then I want
the pod stage to blow the sacred

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smoke and explain it to us.
Alright, so first of all, not

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all you'd be very surprised to
learn not all podcasts are

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submitted to Apple. In fact, we
have the Swedish trickler. And

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we have our eye Dave will tell
us in a moment, how many feeds

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he's found that have never been
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the supposition that the that
there are 2 million dead anchor

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feeds. And this is of course,
the main problem. I don't think

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it's 2 million and I would like
to come to an understanding on

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the terminology of dead just
because a feed has not updated

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doesn't mean that it's not a
useful podcast, that it's that

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it doesn't have function or that
it doesn't have value. Not every

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feed has to be a show. So if
it's a musician who has a you

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know, does a value for value 10
part series of how to finger

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pick the guitar that doesn't
mean that that's a dead show. So

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I that bothers me enormously
that that is that RSS is looked

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at that way. So now, after me
spouting we can listen to the

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pod stage tell us exactly what's
going on.

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So the question is,

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can I accompany do you need
someone accompaniment?

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You can come alongside me and
give me emotional support. Okay,

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the pod stage has his own sound
you see when he speaks

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yet?

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completely cannot concentrate we
do. I understand. You need to

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throw the word Before before we
started the show, you had

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distortion on there, and you're
reprising Jimmy and she's stuck

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with a banner. Okay, I'm looking
at the most current stats. And

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if I understand the question
correctly, what's what's being

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asked is, is the number the 4.6
million number crazy inflated

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because of duplicate podcasts,

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duplicate podcasts and dead
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anchor is a junkyard graveyard,
etc. And none of those podcasts

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that have not been updated have
value. I take exception to that.

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Because I think there's a lot of
people who want to have a feed

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for something and might as well
just have it over there for free

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in perpetuity and not have to
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month to keep that going.

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Because I did not know this
question was coming, I can't

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give you really accurate
breakdowns of this, like I could

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if I if I had done some
research, but I can give you

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some some top level stuff. So
anchor currently has 1,967,275

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podcasts in the directory. And
I'm sure that's not every one of

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them. But I feel like we are
really close. Like, I don't

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think that that number that we
have in our in podcast index, I

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don't feel that that number is
significantly off from what

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anchor actually has. And the
reason I say that is because we

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know what the algorithm is for
anchor podcast feed creation.

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The algorithm is the URL follows
a hex index. It's a hexadecimal,

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ID that increments by 100 each
time. So once you know the

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algorithm, you can just run
through there and just find them

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all. And you can track them and
pick up new ones as they're

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added.

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That is so sexy. Dave Jones what
you just said there. If I say

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that again, slower. That is that
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That's courtesy of Chris for ice
hockey guy. That guy. Yeah, the

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Swedish Strickler.

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Yeah, speaking, whisper that
quietly, my ear Swedish

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trickler.

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So we show 1,967,275 anchor
podcast. So if you were to break

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that number down and say, how
much of the podcast index does

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that represent? It's what is
this? 40 something percent? Boy.

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Yeah, yeah. Something like that.
Yeah. 4.4. Yeah. In the in the

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40s, mid 40s.

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Okay, so if that's the case,
then you say, Oh, how many of

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those are active or dead? Or
whatever he wants to know, are

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there dead podcasts? And by dead
I mean, truly dead. Like some

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guy just went on there and hid
and typed in the podcast and

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recorded three seconds of audio
and is never touched it again in

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seven years. Yes, there's lots
of that on there. What we, I go

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through and clean up a lot of
that stuff. I don't get it all.

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But I do clean up a lot of that
stuff. So this number, like

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the false starts and the empty
stuff. And when you listen to

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the content when you when you're
quote, cleaning it up? You

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weren't barbarian.

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And what I usually do is, I have
a few scripts that I can run

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that dump a lot of output that
show this feed as not been

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updated in, let's say 18 months,
and it only has one episode.

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Okay, so I'm going to stop you
right there. Okay. This is the

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last time we're going to do
this. After this, we're going to

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publish this as a newsletter,

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a newsletter also on our new
substack it can

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be a subset Yeah. substack Daigo
this analysis is very valuable.

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And I think it should be helping
to fund podcast index and I

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think we should just just go old
schools for old school people

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because they need this for
advertising purposes. So let's

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charge them in fee out fun
coupons over on substack This is

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good, Dave, that algorithm
incremental stuff, I can sell

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that 100 times over to Fortune
500 companies.

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So that's that. It we we do a
lot of deduplication. scripts

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running 24/7 They're just
running all the time. As things

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are added. There. They are going
through and seeing if trying as

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best they can to figure out if
there are duplicates and marking

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the ones that are duplicate as
dead, so if they get marked as

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dead, they no longer show when
they're

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dead to the pod stage, that
thing's dead. That thing is

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buried, that thing is
incinerated. It's just,

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oh, is a headstone,

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a headstone Reidar. So that

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that number of that 1,967,275 is
a liberal number that represents

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a fairly accurate
representation. And I would say,

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a fair representation of anchor
podcasts that we have determined

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to have some sort of value.
Yeah, and I mean, very liberal

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with that. So here's what
here's, here's, here's my

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theory, okay? If you just threw
up a test thing, just shitting

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around. That's not valuable.
And, and I'll get rid of that,

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you know, but if you put up
three episodes, nine years ago,

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and you actually put some effort
into it. And these are three

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episodes of this podcast that
that you were trying to me,

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you're actually working to get a
try to figure out if you wanted

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to do podcasting and stuff like
that. To me, that's who am I to

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say that that's not valuable?
Thank you. So there may be,

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let's just say, 20% of anchor
faith that are that way, I don't

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know what the number is,

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let's just be clear. The reason
why is, quote unquote, not

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valuable is because it is viewed
through the lens of an

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advertising perspective. It's
not valuable if it's not

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updated. If it's not frequent,
you know, it's unpredictable.

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Unless it's quote, unquote,
Evergreen. Evergreen. I sound

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like George Carlin evergreen, I
just don't have a punch line.

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Yes, it just goes nowhere.
Exactly. So that the anchor

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stuff is clearly the biggest
mover here so they can move the

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needle. They move the needle on
how many total podcasts we have,

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more than anybody else does. How

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many do they do you have a ratio
that they add?

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It's a lot. They they're
constantly adding. Now, that has

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slowed down a little bit. And
I've been and I think everybody

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has noticed it. Chris ricing
said the other day that, you

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know, the rate of additions,
gains

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rate data for the newsletter.

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Well, somebody posted, where's
that sheet? I've got so many

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posts, maybe

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I can get Tina to do run
corrections on it. If you just

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write it. Oh, my God, this would
be such so huge. The industry

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would would go crazy over this
all the way down to the bottom?

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Well, you know, and the thing
is, I'm not sure why nobody else

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does. No one has no one has this
data. No one has to see no one

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has this crew.

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They do we let people download
our database for free? Oh, no,

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that would require work. No, no,
no. Can I just get an app that

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just tells me the answer.

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Okay, so now, the podcast host.
And the Twitter handle is at the

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podcast host. I'm not sure who
this is. But this person posted,

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the percent of active podcasts
are dropping drastically.

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December of 2020 59% of podcasts
were actually considered active.

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More in March that was 37%. In
June, it was 34% in December is

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23%. This person's conclusion is
less than one in four podcast on

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Apple published an episode last
90 days. So

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that's about the same number we
have, isn't it? Same percentage,

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same percentage? Probably not
25%. We've bought a little under

444
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half a million, so it's less
20 23%. Am I saying that right?

445
00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:57,090
Yeah, I think so.

446
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:03,750
And what I've noticed is that no
matter how many we add, that 90

447
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:08,490
day number, those numbers don't
change much. So you've got a

448
00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:14,490
core of let's just say 20% 20 to
25% of podcasts that are

449
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,600
publishing on a consistent
basis. And then you have a sort

450
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,990
of all this noise that goes on
around it of all these other

451
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:27,840
podcasts coming and going. That
that just they're just kind of

452
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,960
noise they're there. They're not
sustainable. They're not

453
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,040
sustaining anything. So got to
go back to the numbers. The

454
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,760
numbers for saying we got
anchor. There they 1.9 6

455
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:46,440
million. You got Spreaker is
number two at 956,429 iboxx

456
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,950
282,000 Buzzsprout 152,010.
Those

457
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:55,860
guys have grown by 50% since we
started this, SoundCloud podcast

458
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:57,480
2.0 does for you people.

459
00:29:58,020 --> 00:30:03,570
Again, pod bean 85 1000 lips and
77,000 it keeps going. So the

460
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:12,630
those those number that 4.6
million. I feel like that is a I

461
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:16,020
feel like that's a good number
as representative as you can

462
00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:20,910
get, without having a team of
people come through and start

463
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:22,890
beginning to make editorial
decisions.

464
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:28,020
And I think that's, that's why
this is so valuable. And Excuse

465
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,180
me, ladies and gentlemen, if
you're listening to this right

466
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:33,150
now and you're in numbers,
you're in the numbers game and a

467
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:37,710
lot of you are I will boost
that's you. This is 100,000 Sat,

468
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:43,290
piece of information. That's
what I expect you to boost. This

469
00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:47,040
is 50 bucks. This is a monthly
$50 newsletter, this stuff,

470
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,240
right and we're not even done
yet.

471
00:30:49,710 --> 00:31:01,650
Now, I can look at listen notes.
When Ben, he lists 2.7 2,737,350

472
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:08,400
podcasts. And I know that he is
extremely strict about what he

473
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,870
includes in in his database. I
think most of it comes from

474
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,380
Apple and from submissions. He
doesn't, to my knowledge do any

475
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,740
scraping like we do. There's a
lot of things that he doesn't

476
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:20,430
find.

477
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:21,600
Where are we scraping?

478
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:24,660
Are we still scraping stuff?
Which great yeah, that's what

479
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:26,880
Christopher Crisler does, right.
He's

480
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,590
a human scraper. Yeah,

481
00:31:28,650 --> 00:31:34,140
exactly. So he, for instance,
the other day, he found about

482
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:39,810
6000 podcasts on a was that on a
French radio station,

483
00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:42,660
what I meant was, we're not
scraping like apple with every

484
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:44,940
submission that goes, no, no,
no, we

485
00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:47,460
don't scrape apple. No. This is
web scraping. Yeah. Which

486
00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:51,480
this is now this is discovery.
spidering. This is what the No,

487
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:55,740
no, no, I do not like that term.
This is discovery. This is this

488
00:31:55,740 --> 00:32:00,360
is he is a he's like he's
discovering the the Antarctic.

489
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,900
He is the the Admiral Byrd of
RSS feeds.

490
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,150
This? Yeah. What did they call
those guys like, that would fly

491
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:14,250
to South America in a in a in a
Hinden? You know, in bird

492
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,630
crispy, crispy.

493
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:28,350
Okay. So he lists, he lists
2,737,000. But that he taken you

494
00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:31,050
take an instance, like what I
mentioned, where you have 6000

495
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:34,260
feets coming off of fringe radio
station, he's not going to get

496
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:41,340
those. Because those were, those
are RSS feeds of radio shows

497
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:44,520
that were net that are never
going to be submitted to Apple

498
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:49,020
podcast. Yeah. And, and one of
the things he figured out, or

499
00:32:49,020 --> 00:32:53,370
excuse me, John Spurlock found
out was that their CMS system

500
00:32:53,370 --> 00:32:56,670
had a problem where it didn't
matter, it would never report a

501
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,730
404. If you search for a feed
that didn't exist, it would just

502
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:05,220
keep giving you a a made up
feed. And so six out of those

503
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,460
6000, only 100 of the feeds were
actually legit, and the other

504
00:33:08,460 --> 00:33:14,490
595,900 were were bogus. Were
duplicate feeds.

505
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Can I change change my mind?
Sure. I think we this, we just

506
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
need to have more of this on our
stats page. And then we just put

507
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,450
a big ass QR code there and
value for

508
00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,450
value. With a with a lightning
invoice.

509
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:31,200
What with both do on chain to
Yeah, I mean, this is so

510
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,260
valuable. This is so good. This
is I love that you're doing

511
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:35,250
this. Okay, sorry.

512
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:41,880
That's right. And then. So we
found that by using what's in in

513
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,850
its in the downloadable
database, as of today as a value

514
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:49,920
in there called the C hash. And
C hash is our attempt to and

515
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,720
it's it's very accurate. Sorry,
it's an attempt to come up with

516
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,940
a content hash for the feed
based on information that is not

517
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:04,230
likely to be very dynamic. It's
very static info. So like owner

518
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:08,250
email. Yeah, things like that.
Yeah. And so we don't include

519
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:10,950
description or any of that just
was a lot that's changing

520
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:16,920
dynamic. The sea hash value on
all the 5900 of those radio is

521
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,890
French radio podcasts were the
same, we were able to go through

522
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:24,600
there and immediately wipe them
or mark them is dead. Wow. So

523
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,990
that is the way that we
constantly are cleaning up. So I

524
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:30,960
would say that out of 4,000,006.

525
00:34:31,140 --> 00:34:33,570
Wait a minute. So let me just
understand, let me play that

526
00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:36,570
back to you. So this is a D
duping mechanism that you have

527
00:34:36,570 --> 00:34:40,620
the C hash is a D duping
mechanism. Yes, it's oh my god

528
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:48,420
that is. So you, uh, you know
what? This again proves that AI

529
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:55,050
is bullshit. We've got all kinds
of so called AI guys. We've had

530
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,710
oh, we're gonna do this and I'll
input that and we'll get all the

531
00:34:58,710 --> 00:35:00,930
D dupes out Ricketts

532
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,830
I don't know how anybody else
does it. I'm sure they use

533
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:07,860
machine learning or something,
you know, and no apparently no

534
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:11,250
one no one. Here's an open
database. Everyone's hungry for

535
00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:15,660
data. Here's a business sitting
right here. And we it's comics

536
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:18,900
or Blogger, I'm looking at you.
These Oh, well, I'm machine

537
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,550
learning AI bah, bah, bah blah.
Now this is this is classy.

538
00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:27,420
Sorry. I'll shut up now. So
good. I'm trying to make I'm

539
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:29,370
trying to make technology
interesting to everybody.

540
00:35:30,450 --> 00:35:36,660
Yes, thank you. was extremely
boring. Yeah. So that's what the

541
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:38,880
DDL scripts, they run through
there and they want to they

542
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:42,510
they'll do things like, find
everything's got a matching C

543
00:35:42,510 --> 00:35:47,220
hash, and begin to go through
some testing to say, okay, out

544
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:52,650
of there's three of these things
that have a matching C hash. Do

545
00:35:52,650 --> 00:35:58,350
they? or do any of these have an
iTunes ID? If one of them does,

546
00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:01,350
and the other two doesn't, it'll
mark the two that doesn't as

547
00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:02,040
duplicates.

548
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,920
This is where we this is where
Marco's contribution comes in.

549
00:36:05,399 --> 00:36:11,189
Next. Bingo. This is so cool.
Because he's syncing his he's

550
00:36:11,189 --> 00:36:14,789
syncing our two databases, to
make sure he's sinking his

551
00:36:14,789 --> 00:36:18,719
database to ours to make sure
that we have all of the apple

552
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,349
side of the information for
anything that we have. So that

553
00:36:22,349 --> 00:36:23,699
our information is accurate.

554
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,240
It's so formidable. Yeah. So
that.

555
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:34,200
So I guess bottom line is, I
think I feel very confident

556
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,970
saying something like this. out
of 4.6 million podcasts in the

557
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:46,440
index. There are I think less, I
would think less than 50,000

558
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,980
True duplicate feeds. And that
means that they're their actual

559
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,780
two copies of the same feed with
a different URL or 1%. Yeah, and

560
00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:04,980
of those feeds, I think of those
duplicates. I don't think that

561
00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:10,470
they are any thing that was
statistically throw things way

562
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,550
off. I don't think that there.
What would you call it like a

563
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:21,960
significant, like, statistically
significant? And because just

564
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,530
based on what I've just based on
what I've seen, like, we we have

565
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:28,530
a lot of apps using the index
now. And for a while there, we

566
00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:31,680
were getting a lot of reports of
duplicate stuff. That's that's

567
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,550
slow down, right? Yes, slowed
down a lot. Once we've got the D

568
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:37,560
dupe scripts and that kind of
thing. I still have to manually

569
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,740
do some sometimes. But the I
don't I'm not sure who, when he

570
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:47,040
says, I'm hearing that there's a
lot of duplicates. What if you

571
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,380
just download the database and
search for like, duplicate

572
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:53,550
titles and stuff? Well, yeah, I
mean, you're gonna see, there's,

573
00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:58,020
you know, 700 podcasts that have
the word introduction in the

574
00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:59,400
title. That's because,

575
00:37:59,459 --> 00:38:02,819
again, I'm just gonna have to
interrupt again, that's why this

576
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:05,519
is valuable, because it's a pain
in the ass people have just

577
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:06,899
figured that out.

578
00:38:07,830 --> 00:38:16,350
Right? Yeah. So that boost in.
So if you if you just, if you do

579
00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:20,400
that, then just search for
basic, like, you know, title

580
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,830
collisions and things like that.
Yeah, you're gonna find a lot of

581
00:38:22,830 --> 00:38:25,470
stuff. But those aren't
necessarily the same podcast.

582
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:31,200
And, like, the word introduction
is in, I don't know, let's say

583
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,520
six 700 podcasts? Well, that's
because that's, those are all

584
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,980
coming off of Librivox. And a
lot of podcasts have that

585
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,470
they've mistake they've, they're
putting their data in wrong.

586
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:48,360
Labeling the podcast, instead of
having one episode per chapter,

587
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,670
they have one podcast per
chapter some great, yes, it's

588
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:55,770
just a lot. And there's a lot of
stuff called where the title of

589
00:38:55,770 --> 00:38:58,530
the podcast is podcast. You
know, it's just things like

590
00:38:58,530 --> 00:39:01,860
that. I mean, whenever you start
getting all this kind of cruft

591
00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:03,690
off the internet, you're gonna
end up with a lot of things like

592
00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:06,630
that. But as far as things that
are statistically significant,

593
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:11,520
like having, you know, three
different versions of the Dan

594
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,900
bond Geno show, yeah, I don't
think that that's the case at

595
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:16,230
all.

596
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:20,220
Wow, that's really cool. Dave.
That is, I mean, I was just

597
00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:23,640
planning on answering. Do Dave
says it's cool. So shut up

598
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,200
already. No, instead.

599
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,540
But but you know, do you take
that number and say, there are

600
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:35,700
4.6 million podcasts in the
world? Right, then you then

601
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:39,750
you're editorializing, and I
don't know how you the technical

602
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:41,580
answer is is yes.

603
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:50,700
How about 4.6 million feeds of
some value Hmm No, I know it's

604
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,340
not it's not it's not very
snappy from the marketing

605
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,380
department is rejecting I
understand.

606
00:39:56,039 --> 00:40:02,249
It's so Indian. If you look at
that, no and say, Okay, well

607
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:05,999
600,000 of these podcasts
updated, you know, within 90

608
00:40:05,999 --> 00:40:11,789
days, every 90 days. Well, but
then you're leaving out just

609
00:40:11,939 --> 00:40:16,169
solid shows like cereal and
stuff like, that doesn't show up

610
00:40:16,169 --> 00:40:21,599
in the number. So I don't really
know how to answer that from an

611
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,179
editorial standpoint, all I know
is like, from a technical

612
00:40:24,179 --> 00:40:29,309
standpoint, I feel like our
numbers are good. And I love it.

613
00:40:29,369 --> 00:40:29,489
I

614
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:33,990
love it. Yeah. Now, the podcasts
that are missing was another

615
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:38,940
story, which James again, James
Corden, and I like this, about

616
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:42,480
all these Spotify deals that
have been announced with

617
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:46,410
celebrities and with you know,
podcasts, and you know, very few

618
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:49,260
have actually produced anything
that looks like an exclusive on

619
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:56,250
Spotify. And these two topics
combined, I just want to say,

620
00:40:57,030 --> 00:41:01,290
the Spotify, it's a mirage. The
whole thing is a mirage, the

621
00:41:01,290 --> 00:41:05,430
whole success of pod now, do
people listen to the podcast on

622
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:10,530
Spotify? Absolutely. But you
know, now I see this is this is

623
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:13,470
not a new way to do it. If
you're a public company, do lots

624
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,410
of press releases, get your
stock price up, that becomes the

625
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:20,220
story. Yeah, and they do have
some legit popular content on

626
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:29,610
there. That that is quote
unquote. Exclusive. But the, you

627
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:33,000
know, this is all well YouTube
is going to do is going to be

628
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,750
the exact same thing. And I
think putting it all together

629
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:41,790
now with her talking about the
regulation first. And then

630
00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:46,470
podcasting. I think that there
may be some, you know, there's a

631
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:52,110
big push from liberal media to
find ways to censor podcasting.

632
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:56,820
And the way they're going to do
it. It's the woke police are

633
00:41:56,820 --> 00:41:58,470
coming for your advertisers.

634
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:02,670
This always that's always the
technique. Yeah, right. But

635
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:07,590
I need to remind everybody that
it's what will fail is any type

636
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:15,360
of moderation you know, removing
stuff that is not not proper, or

637
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,990
whatever did that that will fail
that will fail time and time and

638
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:22,830
time again, for the same reason.
We don't know what's in those 4

639
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:26,610
million podcasts, we just don't
know. So you can't really

640
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,450
advertise in a brand safe manner
against that. And it works both

641
00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:32,670
ways. Many podcasts are like,
Hey, I don't want that

642
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:36,960
advertiser advertising on my
podcast. So but that But bottom

643
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,380
line, they're coming they're
woke police are coming they so

644
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:44,430
you know, we have to starve them
out. That's always that's always

645
00:42:44,430 --> 00:42:45,480
the way it goes.

646
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,110
We didn't talk about the Twitter
thing. Jack Dorsey stepping That

647
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:49,710
was funny.

648
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:52,560
You say that next time? We did
talk about him stepping down but

649
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,710
more exciting is the the
lightning development kit, I

650
00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:58,650
think. I mean, you've had a
chance to take a look at it.

651
00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:02,220
This is from his company spiral,
which I think is unfortunate

652
00:43:02,220 --> 00:43:06,180
logo. It looks like one of
those. You know, one of those?

653
00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:11,160
Comet pizza logos? Yeah, like
that very much.

654
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:16,290
Yeah, no, it was this is a this
is a really cool product. Very

655
00:43:16,350 --> 00:43:17,430
fair. Very.

656
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:22,140
And Roy had told me about this.
A while ago, I think we were

657
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:25,830
mentioned it in my backward way
of trying to translate what I

658
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:30,900
heard because this is where you
can just use little pieces of a

659
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,990
full lightning node that you
need and their magic does the

660
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:35,100
rest on the back end.

661
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:41,040
Yeah, it's best I can tell this
is like a very confusing PR

662
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,060
video, by the way.

663
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:48,330
Totally. Totally crap, Jack.
Jack, no, just no. No was that

664
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,380
that was wrong. It was all
totally wrong. I love the hole

665
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:55,170
in the guy with the head and the
robot. No,

666
00:43:55,470 --> 00:43:58,320
I feel like they were
gaslighting themselves or

667
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,220
something. Well,

668
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:02,910
the gas was something. So

669
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,590
what the lightning development
kit looks like is a

670
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:14,490
deconstructed version of of a
node. So you've got the channel,

671
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,780
the channel code, channel
maintenance code, then you've

672
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:23,280
got the database interface code,
and you've got all these all

673
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,980
these different things that a
node does. They've split it up

674
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:31,170
into various components, and you
access it through an API. Well,

675
00:44:31,170 --> 00:44:33,810
notes I mean, it's a library so
that you would use to build

676
00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:40,620
below node with so that you if
Summit. A good example would be

677
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:45,420
if somebody wanted to take build
a node, but they really wanted

678
00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:49,920
instead of using the built in
like database to lnd uses if

679
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,410
they really really wanted to
attach something like a elastic

680
00:44:56,850 --> 00:45:00,810
database to mcpp not less Mongo
or something. They want to put

681
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:04,050
some custom database on the back
end of it, they can do it.

682
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:09,300
So a different example. So here.
So what I understand is it

683
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:15,420
really doesn't solve problems
that we have ie in this will not

684
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:19,530
solve an always on node in your
on you're on your phone.

685
00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:23,460
No, it would. It's not out of
the box now,

686
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:26,760
because you still have to have a
Electrum server or something to

687
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,290
talk to that has a watchtower or
something on it in mind.

688
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:34,710
Yeah, instead, well, what you
would do is instead of like

689
00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:40,560
porting lnd over to mobile app
like breeze did yeah, you would

690
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,270
be take this SDK, and then just
build the pieces of your node

691
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:46,200
into your app. So

692
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,380
you could do the send part
pretty easily. Yeah, and the

693
00:45:49,380 --> 00:45:51,480
channel meant and manner
management, we still have to

694
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,440
fund it and manage your
channels, or do they have a

695
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:56,760
piece for that as well?

696
00:45:56,820 --> 00:45:59,760
No, he's still got it? Well, I
mean, it's, it's the code for it

697
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,860
is in there. But you it's not
automatic. So

698
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:06,150
exciting, but maybe not. For us.
It's a lower level library.

699
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:12,090
I think if somebody wanted to
get in there and build a native

700
00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:18,360
lightning node into their app
directly, this is the good, this

701
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:24,360
is the way to do it. But you're
not gonna get this is not an out

702
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,260
of the box solution for just
sticking a node into your into

703
00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:31,500
your app. This is something you
have to be pieces together and

704
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:32,190
code it up. Did

705
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:35,280
you have any example code or a
use case?

706
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:38,310
Yeah, they've got some example
code in there. And it looks it

707
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:40,290
looks very easy to use.

708
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:44,790
And this is only for apps or
will it work for a web app and

709
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:46,560
work for any app? Was it based
on or

710
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,610
anything? Anything?

711
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:48,510
What's written in?

712
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:50,730
agnostic? It's written in rust.

713
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,780
This damn Rust has taken over
our lives.

714
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:57,300
What's the right thing to do?
Because the memory safety you

715
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,710
don't want to have to struggle
with all that.

716
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:02,490
I mean, every morning I'm glad
you said that because every

717
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:05,760
single morning I think, damn
memory safety

718
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:08,010
memory safety. That's what you
thought about brushing your

719
00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:08,280
teeth.

720
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,740
Hey, am I seeing young master
Mitch kicking ass with POD

721
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:16,710
verse? Is this guy on fire or
what?

722
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:20,550
When he's doing comments now?
Yes, toilets comments

723
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:23,760
What so but now that he quit his
other job? Is he on this full

724
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,920
time now? And they're and
they're rocking and rolling?

725
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:30,450
Now I don't think he quit his
other job. But he is he's I

726
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:31,410
think he's splitting time.

727
00:47:32,130 --> 00:47:34,980
Wow, man, cuz I saw these work
on the comments that he's

728
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:38,220
released. I think he I think
he's figured out kind of his his

729
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:42,270
cycle, his release cycle, how he
releases where he releases who's

730
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,570
trying out new versions? I think
that's he's he's hit that

731
00:47:45,570 --> 00:47:48,480
stride. He that was new for him,
I think.

732
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:51,240
Yeah, I think they get they
found their groove, I think.

733
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:55,020
Yeah, again, yes. Very cool. And
some stuff out. Yeah, look, the

734
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:58,950
comments stuff. looks, looks
really good. I was not expecting

735
00:47:58,950 --> 00:48:01,290
them to be first into the
comment thing. And then he

736
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:02,880
brought that out. I was like,
Ooh, that's pretty.

737
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:06,750
I think, I think Daniel J. Lewis
is mad at me.

738
00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:10,050
Why would you do because he did
to him.

739
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,640
Because he posted on podcast
index dot social. He said, Well,

740
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,130
the website hasn't changed.
Where are we with the marketing?

741
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,060
And I went, we're too busy doing
the comments you demanded.

742
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:24,870
Didn't didn't replies and I'm
afraid he's mad.

743
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:32,130
He's, he's out. He's, he's out
there supplying stats to the

744
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:33,390
whole world of podcasting.

745
00:48:33,479 --> 00:48:38,699
Oh, I hope he's listening to
this show. Well, that he has, he

746
00:48:38,699 --> 00:48:42,029
has the database he gets
valuable the stuff that you can

747
00:48:42,029 --> 00:48:46,679
do though. Now the stuff that
the group just can do because of

748
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,609
the knowledge of the group and
the expertise of the group. So I

749
00:48:50,669 --> 00:48:52,949
the more I think about I'm
really happy we can do that

750
00:48:52,949 --> 00:48:55,739
value for value just need to add
add some of that stuff, you

751
00:48:55,739 --> 00:48:58,379
know, as some of the stuff you
were talking about.

752
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,080
Well speaking to Daniel J.
Lewis, he should add value for

753
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:09,510
value to his to his stats work.
Test a paid product Yes, Daniel

754
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:13,950
should take Lightning Man. It's
right there.

755
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:18,240
It's so tiring being an
evangelist

756
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,410
being being 10 years ahead of
the curve all the time a little

757
00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:22,830
sad

758
00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:27,540
about the the comedy album
dispute with Spotify. Man what a

759
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:34,320
what a perfect perfect group to
have value for value and now

760
00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:36,810
Yeah, so they all signed up with
was one Performing Rights

761
00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:42,180
Organization. I'm going to ask
Joe who's running that over

762
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,530
there and I'll do one pitch

763
00:49:44,130 --> 00:49:47,460
is Joe Rogan. Oh Rogan? Oh yeah.
The

764
00:49:47,459 --> 00:49:48,629
only comedian I know.

765
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:53,220
Joe Piscopo stuff taken down I
think it did no no, not about

766
00:49:53,220 --> 00:49:57,600
get taken down. No podcast but
his stand up. Yeah, I'm sure get

767
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,590
taken off Spotify.

768
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:02,130
I'm sure he did. Yeah, I think
Look, no, I actually I'm not

769
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:06,540
sure that's why I have to ask
them because, okay. It's and

770
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:09,600
they'll and Spotify will never
deal with this, they will have

771
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,590
no part of

772
00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:13,439
it. They'll just leave it off.
They won't ever put it back up.

773
00:50:13,979 --> 00:50:17,759
Yeah, they're not gonna You
can't go above the established

774
00:50:17,759 --> 00:50:20,099
prices from music, these guys
lose their shirt. They're on

775
00:50:20,129 --> 00:50:23,759
their own micro micro slivers of
profit as is.

776
00:50:24,389 --> 00:50:27,509
Yeah, and you can't do it. If
there's a chance that they may

777
00:50:27,509 --> 00:50:29,639
owe a billion dollars in
royalties, and you forget it.

778
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:30,899
That's that's not coming back.
Well,

779
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,860
yeah, not forget even going
backwards, just, you know,

780
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:38,400
moving forwards. And remember,
this is a technology company who

781
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,220
really truly believe that it's
fucked up. They have to pay

782
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:44,280
artists in the first place.
Remember the CTO? He's like,

783
00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:46,680
look, we're giving you our
platform, what's your problem?

784
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:52,920
You want to be paid more? Stop
complaining? Yeah, they and they

785
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,810
do that? Because they want to be
like Google, but Google will

786
00:50:57,810 --> 00:50:59,280
take the loss on that stuff.

787
00:51:00,690 --> 00:51:02,910
Yeah, because they don't see
that's the thing. That's the

788
00:51:02,910 --> 00:51:06,630
difference between somebody like
Google and Spotify. In the US at

789
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:08,520
Google, I mean, YouTube, because
we're talking about at the

790
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,400
beginning of the show that that
YouTube is just going to do a

791
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,510
Spotify, you know, reach around
here. And so the Swedish, the

792
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:19,770
Swedish research round, they're
gonna do that. And the

793
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:23,730
difference there is that Google
and this is why I disagree with

794
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:26,970
Sam Sethi. I do not think that
that YouTube will split off will

795
00:51:26,970 --> 00:51:30,480
be split off into its own
company. I don't think that's

796
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,400
going to happen. No, no.
Anything attached to Google has

797
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:41,880
a has a, you won't, you should
never divorce yourself from the

798
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,490
mountain of money. Because when
you have this sort of guarantee

799
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:52,770
mountain of cash, or pot, you
know, like, firehose of cash is

800
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:56,370
being blown in your face all day
long. You don't separate

801
00:51:56,370 --> 00:52:00,030
yourself from that, because they
can do stuff and not have to

802
00:52:00,030 --> 00:52:03,330
worry about if it's a failure or
not, right, Spotify can't do

803
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:06,420
that. I mean, they have a thin,
they're walking the line all the

804
00:52:06,420 --> 00:52:09,450
time, somebody like YouTube,
they can they can throw up

805
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:13,950
podcasting, and if it loses, if
it loses a billion dollars, I

806
00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:18,630
mean, that's like, what, a week
of a week of revenue. For me.

807
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:21,030
That's, that's a rounding error
for Google. I mean, that's like,

808
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:25,080
no big deal. So not shoot not a
week, that's like less than a

809
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,600
day of revenue for those
revenue. Yeah, not profit, but

810
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,110
revenue. Sure. Yeah. So they're
making like, you know, a million

811
00:52:31,110 --> 00:52:35,190
dollars a minute. Spotify is
not, they don't have that

812
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:39,270
luxury, you know, so the
YouTube, I think, I think

813
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:42,150
YouTube if the if they wanted
to, if they were serious, and

814
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:45,060
this is the other problem with
this, is once you're hooked up

815
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:50,640
to the, you know, cash firehose,
you tend to not take things as

816
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,340
seriously as you would if you
really needed the money. Yeah,

817
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:57,180
so who knows if they will, but
if they took it seriously, and

818
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:02,970
wanted to take on Spotify, head
to head with YouTube, that's,

819
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,420
that's a thread that that I'm
sure they want to do, I, they

820
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:09,720
would definitely want to take
away Spotify, they want Google

821
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,980
music to be to take over
Spotify, and you know, Spotify,

822
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:18,540
now are starting to click in my
head, this truly is a mirage,

823
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:21,840
what these guys have put on, now
they haven't made profits, you

824
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,970
know that they're not making
money, we all know that this is

825
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:27,090
a great value play has been for
investors based upon press

826
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,990
releases, they have a shitty
business model, because whenever

827
00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:33,750
the rights holders decide to
raise the prices, you either

828
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:39,270
negotiate, you know, figured out
a way to you know, concede and

829
00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:43,800
and work or you have no
business. So, you know, they're

830
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,520
there, they've been they've been
working on this pivot to bring

831
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,740
more value to their paying
subscribers who, you know,

832
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:55,920
obviously are not going to see
all the Google has many better

833
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,180
ways to make money on their
customers, quote, unquote,

834
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:04,740
customers, then, Spotify does.
And so what you see is the CEO

835
00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:07,650
of Spotify, I think was
misconstrued by some podcast

836
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:12,540
analysts. Who were like, well,
we've got $3.8 billion for

837
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:16,650
acquisitions big swinging, Dick,
you know, you don't say that

838
00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:19,140
kind of stuff. Unless you're
like shit, man, we're in

839
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,840
trouble. We got to find we got
to find something that works for

840
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,930
us. And it was not just for
podcasting, it's for anything

841
00:54:24,930 --> 00:54:27,840
and they're buying audio books
and you know, their vision is

842
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:32,490
audio. But that's really broad
man that's hard these days to do

843
00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:37,740
just audio. You know, there's
too much I mean, look at we want

844
00:54:37,740 --> 00:54:43,710
to do music can we know that
make technically yes, we need an

845
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:47,730
app that shows music that only
shows the media tag will help

846
00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:50,700
with this. I know I'm jumping
the gun, but you're going to

847
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,940
need to just separate that stuff
is I don't think it all belongs

848
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:59,370
into one in one jumble. Except
actually have to have just as a

849
00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:04,320
side note From time to time I
like to dip my toe in the dark

850
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,070
side. And I've done it again.
I've done it a

851
00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:14,460
garden side. Yes, this this is
probably not the Kara Swisher

852
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:16,050
show you're talking about some
other dark side.

853
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,490
This is another dark side. Yes.
As you know I've ever since

854
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:25,140
Linux Mint. I've, I've really I
mean, that's my daily driver. I

855
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:27,720
love it, I run it on the
surface,

856
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:31,800
you installed Windows 11, didn't
you? No, no, no,

857
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:39,150
no. I have the surface go, which
is the first version two. So it

858
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:42,750
runs beautifully, super fast.
And there's something about the

859
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:47,820
terminal. That is just so come
the whole is. And that's that's

860
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:51,750
the design of an operating
system is that's voodoo. But

861
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:54,330
there's something about it that
really feels good at interacts?

862
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:58,170
Well, you know the way links
work, the way copy paste works.

863
00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:01,290
There's all these things that
are already kind of natural. So

864
00:56:01,830 --> 00:56:06,690
I returned to using mutt from my
email, and I become one No, no,

865
00:56:06,690 --> 00:56:09,840
that's not not I've been doing
that for for No, that's what

866
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,940
made me laugh more than a year.
Okay.

867
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,780
That's nice. percent of the
people listening to this show

868
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:19,080
have no idea what might even is
they don't even know what this

869
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,770
is search

870
00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:26,130
for mutt email client. Because,
you know, my workflow just has

871
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:29,220
improved. And I've and I've
really taken some time to learn

872
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:36,900
macros and how to do stuff. And,
and I'm also a VI user. And so

873
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:40,200
as I'm looking for better
workflows, always looking for

874
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,280
better workflows. Ever since you
know, for the last 24 months,

875
00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:47,580
the amount of email coming in
has to be routed has to be

876
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:51,630
tagged a lot of stuff I got to
do, just to make all my shows,

877
00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:54,090
you know, that's what I do.
That's literally what I do.

878
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:57,210
You're an information router. So
I've

879
00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:01,590
gone to the dark side. And if
taken up learning emacs again.

880
00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:02,820
Oh,

881
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:08,190
and I've used emacs of a handful
of times, but and I know it's

882
00:57:08,190 --> 00:57:13,830
like this craziest Space Shuttle
worth of stuff that you can do

883
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:18,630
and that I get. That's all I
know about it. I've yet gotten

884
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:19,110
into it. Now.

885
00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:23,820
Specifically, I use org mode,
which is an outlining mode,

886
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:27,270
which I'm very familiar for and
what you were familiar with. And

887
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:30,960
what you've just said is the
realization I had as well. That

888
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,080
thing's like a spaceship. It's
got everything. It's fucking

889
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,100
crazy as I tried to do it. Does
that sound a lot like the

890
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,450
freedom controller to you? Yes.
The Freedom controller is the

891
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:47,130
Emacs of RSS bro. I'm telling
you. That is exactly what we

892
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:52,170
build with. It's a kitchen sink.
But this, I'm very impressed.

893
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:55,410
And there's so many translators,
you know, so I can output to

894
00:57:55,410 --> 00:58:01,440
OPML, which is really being able
to use structured data with

895
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,480
whatever tool is good for the
moment. Okay, so anyway, that

896
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,530
was just a side note.

897
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:12,300
They haven't looked at the I
used to use x Emacs. That's what

898
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:14,460
I'm thinking of the X Window
version of Emacs

899
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:17,970
is very similar. I met for me,
it's all shortcuts and keyboard

900
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:19,710
commands. That's how I move
fast.

901
00:58:20,459 --> 00:58:22,859
Yeah, I'm looking at the text
based version of it. And I don't

902
00:58:22,859 --> 00:58:25,169
think I've ever actually used
the techspace version of Emacs

903
00:58:25,169 --> 00:58:27,149
but it it looks a lot like mutt.

904
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:33,120
Well, I mean, you can also
integrate an email client. You

905
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,270
know, you can do Catlin. The
trick is you got to understand

906
00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:40,860
to do mode and agenda, the
agenda, different agenda modes.

907
00:58:41,610 --> 00:58:44,790
That's what that's what really
and I'd really, it's, it's made

908
00:58:44,790 --> 00:58:49,230
me very efficient, because you
just throw it to do somewhere

909
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:53,070
and you don't have to worry
where it is. When you go to

910
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,590
agenda mode. You can just say,
Oh, I got to do this. Here's my

911
00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:58,350
to do okay, got it. This is to
move this for us. Just

912
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,850
brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant.
Well, that's what org mode is.

913
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,850
The whole mode of org is an
outliner.

914
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,630
Does it export? OPML? Just Yes.
What

915
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:12,180
I just said yeah, it of course,
you can export to anything,

916
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:15,720
including OPML. Now, I'm gonna
have to customize that because

917
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,890
of cars. And you know, a lot of
stuff freedom controller doesn't

918
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:23,430
recognize a lot of stuff, or at
least not the way it's output

919
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:28,920
from. Org mode doesn't matter.
No, copy paste still works, too.

920
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:36,690
In a pinch. It really, really
does. And then Dave Jackson, God

921
00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:40,890
bless his heart School of
podcasting pings me, we all saw

922
00:59:40,890 --> 00:59:41,070
it.

923
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,420
He went to task and it went to
task, task, task to task

924
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:48,810
Yeah, he tasks the camp any and
he's like, I got the marketing

925
00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:51,870
guy, uh, William and kind of
introduce us. Yeah. So we got an

926
00:59:51,870 --> 00:59:56,880
introduction. And it should be
interesting. Because he's asking

927
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,720
very marketing guy questions,
and I and I and I will My first

928
01:00:00,750 --> 01:00:05,010
opening salvo I did the whole
thing. Should you want to read

929
01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:09,000
it? Must I read it? Yeah, sure.
This opens open source.

930
01:00:09,269 --> 01:00:11,549
Do you say, Hey, what's your
marketing budget?

931
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:15,330
Now that that'll be for the
follow up. So how much money you

932
01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:22,500
got? How much money you got,
man? Let me see. Tas can let me

933
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:25,560
just search for this hold on a
second. Put here it is.

934
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:34,950
Thanks, Dave. And nice to meet
you, Liam. I've been on a 15

935
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:37,470
year search for the perfect
podcast rig. I've built several

936
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:39,360
and tested pretty much
everything worth trying.

937
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:42,510
Currently, only one device makes
the perfect rig possible which

938
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:45,930
is the Motu Ultralite MK four
and that was just discontinued.

939
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:50,670
See my setup at pod Father
gear.com. There's clearly market

940
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:53,550
demand for the product. I even
tried to crowdfund one but could

941
01:00:53,550 --> 01:00:56,550
not get the engineering costs
within range hardware is hard.

942
01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:59,850
It appears all devices in the
category are using similar

943
01:00:59,850 --> 01:01:03,540
chipsets which have taken an
unfortunate turn by exchanging

944
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:07,320
mix buses with loopback devices,
which makes only makes the

945
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,860
problem worse. I appreciate your
interest. William let me know if

946
01:01:10,860 --> 01:01:14,070
you want to discuss further. And

947
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,000
good good call by dropping pod
father gear

948
01:01:18,030 --> 01:01:20,160
calm Yeah, because I want I want
to

949
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,800
show yeah, yes, your brand.
That's your brand.

950
01:01:23,399 --> 01:01:26,279
I definitely like to discuss
further really understand your

951
01:01:26,279 --> 01:01:27,929
thoughts on all of this in the
mean, okay.

952
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:32,010
Nice. Yeah,

953
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,980
we'll see. We'll see. But
anyway, we'll try and push that

954
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:38,280
further. I just want it to be
easy for people. And then we can

955
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,230
always do a pod father signature
model.

956
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,070
Yeah. With the with the
signature in the in the sticker.

957
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:46,380
Yeah. And we'll give you a
special pod father sound

958
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:49,860
effects, like? Yeah, there you
go.

959
01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:57,300
Yes. Okay. So do you want to do
donations first and then talk

960
01:01:57,330 --> 01:01:59,280
and then laugh at NF Ts? Or do
you want to

961
01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:04,950
donate donations? First?
Definitely. I think it's been

962
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:08,400
clear throughout this, what the
whole concept of the board

963
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,630
meeting is and podcasting 2.0 If
not in your new, it's completely

964
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:15,330
value for value, everything is
open took a little left turn

965
01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:17,820
there for a second when my
substack idea quickly was

966
01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:22,710
brought back to the rails.
Everything goes back into the

967
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:27,000
project, we're funding liquidity
for the node, our positioning in

968
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,430
the Lightning Network is pretty
darn interesting too. Yeah. And

969
01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:35,910
connecting to new nodes is is it
really helps because we get

970
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:41,790
routing fees ever since I set up
my own role. Every single day, I

971
01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:45,090
get a report and I probably was
probably like, podcasts index

972
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:49,350
gets two to 300 SATs per day
from routing to my node.

973
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,560
Just for me just to your note
Yeah, well,

974
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:56,070
I am a very popular guy of
course. Ross you have pushed

975
01:02:56,070 --> 01:03:02,100
your Yeah, but the route I mean,
because I only have two channels

976
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:07,170
I set up one channel though our
inbound from podcasting 2.0 so

977
01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:11,550
open that from the from the from
the index to my Umbro then

978
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:16,830
outbound I have to one of my
other private nodes and that

979
01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:20,820
perfectly balanced all the time
is fantastic. And then the

980
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:25,200
podcast index gets Benny's so

981
01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:32,490
how how much excuse me DT so do
you have only Korean the keeper

982
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:34,800
that tied to your node right now

983
01:03:34,919 --> 01:03:43,649
Korean the keeper with Adam
curry and a small split from mo

984
01:03:43,649 --> 01:03:46,739
fax which has its own node
really just to read the booster

985
01:03:46,739 --> 01:03:51,269
grams and a small split from no
agenda again just to see the

986
01:03:51,269 --> 01:03:52,319
booster grams come in.

987
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,400
Okay, so how's your Hello Pat
doing real quick?

988
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:00,360
Hello Pat is running. It's
hovering everything's fine. I

989
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,810
have not updated 4.9 I didn't
like your message. I didn't

990
01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:05,040
think that was a fine idea.

991
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,430
Well, I upgraded 4.9 last night
and it wiped my hell pad but

992
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:12,660
that was to be well that's to

993
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:15,270
be expected you can just you
just started up again it went

994
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:19,530
yeah, just as reinstalled it and
it was fine. Some good I was

995
01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:22,470
gonna try to send you a boost
real quick to your Korean

996
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:27,150
keeper. Okay, and just just out
of curiosity that has see

997
01:04:27,149 --> 01:04:29,969
how long the round trip is
called. Hold on hold on one

998
01:04:29,969 --> 01:04:31,979
second. Okay, hold on one
second. Yeah, sure. Okay,

999
01:04:32,009 --> 01:04:35,999
because then that can we can
have the Pew sound put it up put

1000
01:04:35,999 --> 01:04:37,169
it on the board Dave

1001
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:45,600
see, where's my two wallet? My
wallets toast on curio caster I

1002
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,240
gotta fill it up. Shweta Do

1003
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:52,440
you the amount you boost is way
too much brother. You're gonna

1004
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,350
go broke on that. I like your
rush boost, but you're you're

1005
01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:59,520
boosting people like 10 bucks at
a shot. But it's it's not just

1006
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,260
one He's like everybody.

1007
01:05:02,009 --> 01:05:02,849
I'm reckless.

1008
01:05:04,049 --> 01:05:08,699
You're a beast, and Z I'd like
to boost anywhere from one to

1009
01:05:08,699 --> 01:05:12,239
5000 SATs and I do that a lot.
Just boom everywhere boom, boom,

1010
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:16,349
boom boom boom just boost boost
boost your your spray and I am

1011
01:05:16,349 --> 01:05:21,689
spraying SATs yeah I want I want
to Okay. All right so right

1012
01:05:21,690 --> 01:05:25,830
here in the Christmas love right
now yeah okay all right you

1013
01:05:25,830 --> 01:05:28,410
ready? Yeah I'm gonna I'm going
to basically see how

1014
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:31,200
this works so I'm now looking at
the heli pad

1015
01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:35,130
okay I can get it so I can I
want

1016
01:05:35,129 --> 01:05:37,349
it Do you want it? Do you have a
test stopwatch you want to time

1017
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:41,759
this for now before you do a day
before stop. This never ceases

1018
01:05:41,759 --> 01:05:48,689
to amaze me. It really does
nails it yes because there's no

1019
01:05:49,529 --> 01:05:53,519
no known connection between the
two of us. And you're on a

1020
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:58,859
podcast app you have now you
found my podcast that my lovely

1021
01:05:58,859 --> 01:06:02,849
wife and I do you love the show
so much that you want to send us

1022
01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:05,069
I guess he sent me a boost to
Graham right? You can do a note

1023
01:06:05,069 --> 01:06:09,749
as well. Yeah. Okay. And then
you send this thing off into the

1024
01:06:09,779 --> 01:06:12,839
ether and it just finds me you
know, I'm not a member of

1025
01:06:12,839 --> 01:06:16,619
anything. I don't have to
subscribe to anything I have to

1026
01:06:16,619 --> 01:06:21,629
sign up to anything. It's just
it just comes in Alright, hit

1027
01:06:21,629 --> 01:06:21,779
it.

1028
01:06:22,499 --> 01:06:24,089
Okay, and you know this is gonna
fail

1029
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,020
Of course it's completely ready
for that. Of course.

1030
01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:31,620
I'm gonna I'm gonna time it here
All right, ready? Go.

1031
01:06:31,890 --> 01:06:35,280
All right, we are Lucent boosts
and what are you sending it

1032
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,850
from? Which app are you sending
it from? Curio cast curio caster

1033
01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:40,920
okay and we are still waiting.

1034
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,940
We should be within about 15
seconds.

1035
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:51,030
Well this is I need some some
waiting music sale Boom there it

1036
01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:51,660
is. Okay,

1037
01:06:51,899 --> 01:06:53,819
there we go. Awesome.

1038
01:06:53,939 --> 01:06:55,919
I didn't hear that. I didn't
hear that. I didn't hear the Pew

1039
01:06:55,919 --> 01:06:59,249
though. I don't know why it
didn't come through. So how many

1040
01:06:59,249 --> 01:07:00,089
seconds was that?

1041
01:07:00,419 --> 01:07:06,149
Yeah, that was 13 seconds not
bad. Yeah, I'm in it I'm sorry

1042
01:07:06,179 --> 01:07:07,709
23 seconds heavily pad

1043
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:11,070
heavy pad shows to me eight
seconds ago so I guess it it

1044
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:14,910
took a second for to turn it to
display yes eight seconds

1045
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:19,380
between receipt and then display
so it really made it in like 10

1046
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:22,650
seconds. Yeah. So cool. I wish I

1047
01:07:22,650 --> 01:07:24,870
had a few you see the message do
you see the message?

1048
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,030
Wait, I'm sorry. This is from so
this is from here's your cut of

1049
01:07:30,030 --> 01:07:33,810
a message tip from curio caster.
Something's wrong.

1050
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:38,700
That's weird. But that's that's
what it seems. Type the message.

1051
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:41,370
That's what No, that's what it
seems to be sending these days.

1052
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:49,950
Refresh your LSAT, browser
refresh, DC thing you

1053
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,210
know, this must be this must be
riveting for everybody.

1054
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:58,200
It is great. Yeah.

1055
01:07:58,650 --> 01:08:01,230
You know, why was this supposed
to cease? No. It still says

1056
01:08:01,230 --> 01:08:04,110
here's this this is something in
curio caster I think.

1057
01:08:05,130 --> 01:08:08,700
So that the messages so far. I
get to do some testing on that

1058
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:09,420
then. Okay.

1059
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,890
Yeah, maybe he's he has some
weird waves, or something. He's

1060
01:08:13,890 --> 01:08:18,630
probably trying to jam a
character string into an integer

1061
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:21,720
again, these damn developers,
you can't trust them.

1062
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:27,210
The Pew thing sometimes it won't
fire because Chrome requires you

1063
01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:30,360
to interact with the page at
least once before it allows

1064
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:33,990
audio to play. Wow. So if you
just click somewhere on the

1065
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:34,530
page,

1066
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,600
yeah, I thought I had. Oh, there
it is. I just heard you.

1067
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:46,230
Alright, so that's how we prefer
to receive value. We start with

1068
01:08:46,230 --> 01:08:47,250
booster grams today.

1069
01:08:48,690 --> 01:08:53,070
We're gonna know we're gonna
start with a with a baller. Pay

1070
01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:54,720
Pal donate. Oh, okay.

1071
01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:57,270
I'm sitting down what's going
on? Okay.

1072
01:08:59,190 --> 01:09:06,360
The guys at Buzzsprout Yeah.
Gave us $2,000. In a PayPal

1073
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,810
donation.

1074
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:13,440
Wow. Shot Carla 20 blades on I
am Paula. Holy

1075
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:14,310
crap.

1076
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,850
Chris, that is a Christmas
miracle.

1077
01:09:17,940 --> 01:09:21,930
That is a miracle that is that
no kidding. Wow.

1078
01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:24,510
Especially since we just paid
the bill. They've

1079
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:27,360
just had a huge, huge month.

1080
01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:32,490
Yeah. That and they said the
team that Buzzsprout is so

1081
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:34,710
thankful for all the great
things the podcast index has

1082
01:09:34,710 --> 01:09:37,650
done this year. Keep up the
great work and keep podcasting

1083
01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:38,790
take care. Oh,

1084
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:43,380
thank you guys so much. That is
so so appreciated.

1085
01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:50,610
It literally the bill for the
for voltage node was $1,800. And

1086
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:54,300
we just annual bill we just paid
it in this like covers. Exactly

1087
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:54,780
right. It's

1088
01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:56,580
exactly right. Yeah.

1089
01:09:56,610 --> 01:10:05,280
Thank you guys so much. Awesome
pew it wasn't a foul to play the

1090
01:10:05,580 --> 01:10:10,320
baller boost for a PayPal
donation is it the rules

1091
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:10,920
violation?

1092
01:10:10,949 --> 01:10:16,109
No no no because this comes from
Moe facts and he has he's

1093
01:10:16,109 --> 01:10:19,049
approved it for all for all
large donations.

1094
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:22,440
So we are valid we were we're
already validating but just go

1095
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:23,760
across show no no

1096
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,940
no because we use all kinds of
karma shit over there it's crazy

1097
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:30,870
it's just it's a plague
everything intermingles yeah and

1098
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:31,710
i You can't do it.

1099
01:10:32,099 --> 01:10:36,329
Thank you guys thank you Tom and
Kevin and now and and all the

1100
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:38,159
crew over there at BestBuy.
Yeah,

1101
01:10:38,519 --> 01:10:41,669
really nice. Thank you. Merry
Christmas. Happy Hanukkah.

1102
01:10:42,389 --> 01:10:50,219
Booster grams. See comic strip
blogger got 3333 sets. He says

1103
01:10:50,249 --> 01:10:53,189
greetings from comic strip
blogger to podcasting 2.0 team,

1104
01:10:53,699 --> 01:10:56,729
Dave and AC and anybody
interested in artificial

1105
01:10:56,729 --> 01:10:59,159
intelligence is welcome to
subscribe and listen to the

1106
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,729
podcast called AI cooking. It
can be found in all podcast apps

1107
01:11:02,729 --> 01:11:06,449
and in all podcast indexes by
searching for AI cooking Yo

1108
01:11:07,379 --> 01:11:12,929
yo, yeah, just on a side note, I
was really sad that I had this

1109
01:11:12,929 --> 01:11:16,289
curry in the keeper title for
the podcast but the ampersand

1110
01:11:16,289 --> 01:11:18,329
doesn't really register well
while searching

1111
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:22,890
Yeah, I need to fix that. And
I'm not sure you know it could

1112
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:25,410
be just the app let me search
for that and

1113
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:29,730
well I couldn't find it in curio
caster or pod friend that way.

1114
01:11:30,330 --> 01:11:31,470
Oh neither one huh?

1115
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,860
But once because you said we'll
just try curry keeper and that

1116
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:35,790
worked perfectly.

1117
01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:38,670
I just search for it in pot
friend using curry and the

1118
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:42,300
ampersand the keeper and it came
right up. Oh, interesting in

1119
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:42,780
Patran

1120
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:46,800
but probably probably probably
Martin when I want to listen to

1121
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,530
the show. Can't find it. Oh, let
me put in a little work around

1122
01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:51,210
here. Yeah.

1123
01:11:52,110 --> 01:11:57,390
See me. Alright, let me switch
back over here. We got up Oscar

1124
01:11:57,390 --> 01:12:04,530
Mary, Sacca sevens. This is
7770. Mountain. He says great to

1125
01:12:04,530 --> 01:12:13,500
have the boardroom back. Yes.
Thanks. Thank you see by 1000

1126
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:17,610
SATs from able Kirby through
curio caster it is messages.

1127
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:18,750
Yeah, probably.

1128
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:26,880
That's what they're for. Okay.
See?

1129
01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:34,740
Beavin our this is 500 cents
through fountain and his

1130
01:12:34,740 --> 01:12:43,740
messages. Totally agree.
Alright. Comic Strip blogger

1131
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:49,110
again. 3333 says he's in the
Christmas spirit. He says howdy

1132
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:52,590
Dave and AC. Thanks for the link
to a cooking in the shownotes

1133
01:12:52,590 --> 01:12:56,160
appreciated and when I boost
multiple times it's not accident

1134
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,050
but to multiply my support.

1135
01:12:58,260 --> 01:12:58,830
Okay.

1136
01:13:00,090 --> 01:13:01,650
Thank you for the
multiplication.

1137
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:09,750
Thank you see. John's BRT
through fountain 4900 sets and

1138
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:11,550
he says the boost

1139
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:19,050
oh yes Lee boosts and now as the
French say, it is timeful loosed

1140
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:26,280
I always get a kick out I've
been playing on the Korean The

1141
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,120
Keeper which is a whole 2.0
exclusive show. It was exclusive

1142
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:35,670
the podcast into Pinoys like
Spotify only better okay. And we

1143
01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:39,270
get actual feedback doesn't get
trapped in the Spotify marketing

1144
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:39,840
department.

1145
01:13:40,259 --> 01:13:42,929
Yeah, it actually leaves and
goes out into the world.

1146
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:46,470
It's so exciting. You know, we
just had just so many booster

1147
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:49,530
grams coming in. And that's our
only method no pay power or

1148
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:53,070
anything like that. So we're
really gonna see how far we can

1149
01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:57,480
push this and I can't wait to
have an OPML or a CSV export

1150
01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:59,940
before Wednesday. Ooh, there's
another let me see what came in

1151
01:13:59,940 --> 01:14:03,090
from Dave Jones. Yo during the
show. I heard you bitch.

1152
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:07,890
Did you hear the pew? Yeah, that
was about seven seconds.

1153
01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:11,160
And that was from pod friend. I
can see 500 SATs. Yes. So maybe

1154
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:11,880
it is a curious

1155
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:18,270
test or message issue then.
Okay, so I'm Dee bushes and

1156
01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:20,910
reading show donations at the
same time, but

1157
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:22,980
that's why you're the pod stage.

1158
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:32,070
PTR PTR give us 3333 SATs
through fountain he says Friends

1159
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:37,710
don't let friends buy NF Ts.
Yeah, we got we got it. We got

1160
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:42,390
to clear up the play after this.
Okay, good. All right. See here.

1161
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:48,810
Anonymous, gave us 1000 SATs and
the messages of this is Drew

1162
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:55,050
Brees and the message is this
Cleveland soap works.com That's

1163
01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:57,570
the whole message. So this is a
this is a PR this

1164
01:14:57,570 --> 01:15:03,660
ad is an ad Hell is that you
know I was read and I actually

1165
01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:07,170
noticed this on the last no
agenda show there were two

1166
01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:11,970
different executive producer
donation so over $300 and they

1167
01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:15,840
were promoting their businesses
and have to say when it's

1168
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,910
someone who and both of these
cases people who are just really

1169
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:24,960
like I don't have a job anymore
I've you know, I'm doing shit on

1170
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,710
Etsy before never I kind of
appreciate that I don't have a

1171
01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:33,030
problem with that. I don't
really know I really don't even

1172
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:36,510
though for the same amount of
airtime with audience we could

1173
01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:39,690
make you know 10 times as much

1174
01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:43,140
with it wouldn't be as it
wouldn't be as personal No, and

1175
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:43,440
it wouldn't

1176
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,920
be a damn as some funny Etsy
thing we can laugh about. Yeah,

1177
01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:48,420
I was so boring.

1178
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:51,090
What is it they have soap or me?
Yes, it's

1179
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:54,990
it's like yes all kinds of
different soaps all sugar cookie

1180
01:15:54,990 --> 01:15:56,070
bath bomb Hold

1181
01:15:56,070 --> 01:16:00,750
on a second. I got to take a
look at this. Cleveland soap

1182
01:16:00,750 --> 01:16:02,760
works.com

1183
01:16:03,900 --> 01:16:08,130
I'm digging these Mrs. Claus
Sugar Cookie, cookie bath bombs.

1184
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:13,050
Turmeric carrot honey face and
body

1185
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,150
so Oh, you should get this from
Melissa. Yeah, the goat goat

1186
01:16:18,150 --> 01:16:21,930
milk natural pure bar so baby
it's goat milk. I want nothing

1187
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:28,050
but goat touching your skin. Oh,
all goat all the time.

1188
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:35,220
All the way down. And bath bomb.
Snowman bath bomb. I'm liking

1189
01:16:35,220 --> 01:16:35,490
that.

1190
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:41,190
Alright, let's moving on. This
ad is less than two lines. All

1191
01:16:41,190 --> 01:16:45,480
right. Thank you. Cleveland's ad
should be 10,000 this ads by the

1192
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:46,290
way. I think

1193
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,290
men floor that's the floor.
That's the floor. Yes. The

1194
01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:52,890
floor. Be my be mozzie 15,000
says

1195
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,470
Whoa, see now he should he
should have an ad. Does he have

1196
01:16:55,470 --> 01:16:56,580
something to advertise?

1197
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:59,250
He does not have anything to
advertise. He just says boost

1198
01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:00,630
the dip. And I agree.

1199
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:04,740
Yes. Yes. Boosting the dip.
Thank you very much. That's

1200
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:07,770
exactly right. Because
everything that comes in now is

1201
01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:12,360
going to be worth more later on.
Yeah. Be a beat.

1202
01:17:13,650 --> 01:17:17,130
Comic Strip blogger again. Now
something has gone wrong with

1203
01:17:17,130 --> 01:17:19,950
the universe of comic strip
blogger has boosted three times

1204
01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:24,480
in the same show. Maybe Maybe
it's just Christmas in Poland.

1205
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,120
This just gets all in your blood
and makes you feel good.

1206
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,820
Well, we appreciate it CSB.

1207
01:17:29,820 --> 01:17:31,980
Thank you. Pod friend right?

1208
01:17:31,980 --> 01:17:35,010
Don't we have to play his
jingle? Isn't that Yeah, go for

1209
01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:37,920
it. It's kind of almost second I
said it but I wasn't I wasn't

1210
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:38,670
ready. No. Well,

1211
01:17:38,670 --> 01:17:42,810
let me read the note first. No.
Okay. Yes. Yet another one not

1212
01:17:42,810 --> 01:17:46,380
mistake. Greetings from comic
strip blogger to podcasting. 2.0

1213
01:17:46,380 --> 01:17:50,820
team. David AC. Oh intelligence
is welcome to see anybody

1214
01:17:50,820 --> 01:17:52,800
interested in artificial
intelligence is welcome to

1215
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,820
subscribe and listen to the
podcast. Cooking can be found in

1216
01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:59,520
all podcast apps and in all
podcast indexes about searching

1217
01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:03,540
for AI cooking. Yo, okay. He
said specifically, yeah, it's

1218
01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:04,710
not a mistake. So and

1219
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:07,800
he hit the floor. I mean, he hit
the floor he missed it by one

1220
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:12,660
sat once the comic graduates so
I got the SAT for you right here

1221
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:17,370
almost a comic strip. And drop
that extra sat comic strip.

1222
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,210
Comics jam, comic strip block.

1223
01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:27,540
The only good no nothing.
Whenever Whenever I say

1224
01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:31,410
something about CSB, it always
gets mad at me. We love UCSB.

1225
01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:31,830
Thank you.

1226
01:18:32,009 --> 01:18:38,579
Yeah, yeah, that's 9999 SAS of
love. Pure anonymous 22,000 SATs

1227
01:18:38,579 --> 01:18:41,849
but it is not anonymous. Oh, woo
comes from breeze no doubt.

1228
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,139
Breeze it says keep on keepin on
fellas. Mike Newman.

1229
01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:49,560
All right, Mike. Thank you keep
on keeping on endears to

1230
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:54,720
Graham, the director of team
management and podcasting. 2.0.

1231
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:01,290
Ceylon nomics since 2021, SAS
through fountain, he says, Yo,

1232
01:19:01,470 --> 01:19:05,460
Adam, you create a jingle for
us. You have a segment on our

1233
01:19:05,460 --> 01:19:09,900
show called under a bus where
someone's see where someone's

1234
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:12,720
incompetence trigger us enough
to wish someone would throw them

1235
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,590
under a bus. Admittedly, British
politicians have a monopoly on

1236
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:19,530
the segment at the moment.
However, it does bring it does

1237
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:22,770
bring us a small element of joy
within the current dystopia we

1238
01:19:22,770 --> 01:19:25,980
live in. Don't let the bastards
drag you down. Cheers, Erin.

1239
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,960
Well, let me talk to the to my
my agent. Dave, I think this

1240
01:19:31,380 --> 01:19:34,110
same rule should apply if you
want custom jingles. I mean,

1241
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:36,420
that should be 10,000 SATs

1242
01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:41,220
2021 SATs is a little that's
pushing that's like a buck

1243
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:46,950
that's a low hourly wage Thanks,
bro with that is

1244
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,640
happy to do it. But I think you
should be more creative.

1245
01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:52,770
Bring it bring it bring.

1246
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,840
Yes, yeah. Why not

1247
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:57,630
bring the boosting gift you got
to give direction that's not

1248
01:19:57,630 --> 01:19:59,280
enough. You got to give creative
direction. Yeah,

1249
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,320
I do need something yeah and
then we can do a couple of

1250
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,040
different reads

1251
01:20:04,259 --> 01:20:07,019
2222 SAS from Sir Pete

1252
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:11,130
Wait, I take that I take it
back. I take it back. Okay, was

1253
01:20:11,130 --> 01:20:12,210
that from the previous

1254
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,400
sell anomic so

1255
01:20:16,020 --> 01:20:19,950
do you know if the if their
value for value enabled?

1256
01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:22,530
Yes they are. Okay.

1257
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:27,540
I'll do it for free. You need we
do need some direction please

1258
01:20:27,540 --> 01:20:30,600
put us in your in your split
we'd like 5% going to podcast

1259
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,280
index go see this is how it
works. This is how it works.

1260
01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:39,690
This is how it works. Thank you
The tu tu tu tu was to get my

1261
01:20:39,690 --> 01:20:42,120
attention that's how it works in
this new economy you got my

1262
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,700
attention appreciate it. Now to
complete the transaction that

1263
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:51,690
like 5% for the podcast index
and that were in the in

1264
01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:54,300
perpetuity or you know until you
use something else

1265
01:20:54,570 --> 01:20:57,780
and then you'll come back next
week and he's gonna say okay,

1266
01:20:57,780 --> 01:21:02,400
I'll do 3% And not and and I'll
just give you a one liner of

1267
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,470
direct negotiation

1268
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:10,020
only if we can give Dave a pink
Cadillac then you know we got to

1269
01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:10,950
hook him up all right,

1270
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,960
I will take it sir Pete 2222
sets three pod friend and he

1271
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,720
says trying out pot from from
the browser. Here's a second

1272
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,350
ducks

1273
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:24,780
yes, we need a quack quack man.
I should have a quack a duck

1274
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,000
donation should definitely have
a quack

1275
01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:35,040
Niall in i a ll through fountain
sin is 20 sets and he's just his

1276
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,630
messages says Awesome.

1277
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:43,080
Yeah, thank you. We burned more
electricity crumpling the paper.

1278
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:50,310
Yes. Karen our buddy at mere
mortals Karen down 10,602 sets

1279
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:53,760
through curio Gasper. He says
draining my curio caster dry

1280
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,580
because I've been boosting
rookie numbers come on people

1281
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:57,930
Dave needs more vacation

1282
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,560
my interviewers coming out to Oh
cool.

1283
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:10,260
Oh, Martin from pod France in
his 30,000 said hello.

1284
01:22:10,290 --> 01:22:13,920
Hello boost. That proves

1285
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,930
that COVID didn't get him he's
still still

1286
01:22:15,930 --> 01:22:18,930
alive. He's still alive. How is
he doing? We checked in with him

1287
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,840
and heard from him in a couple
of days. I'm thinking he's just

1288
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,410
resting

1289
01:22:22,799 --> 01:22:27,569
Yeah, it's it's no those guys
Denmark they got Omicron which

1290
01:22:27,569 --> 01:22:30,989
is as far as I know. It's like a
really crappy cold.

1291
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:37,649
Yeah, yeah. It's it's a bad it's
a bad day after hangover. Yeah,

1292
01:22:37,739 --> 01:22:41,189
I think brand loves you is what
he says. Well, pod Friday 1000s

1293
01:22:41,219 --> 01:22:42,419
We'd love pod friend.

1294
01:22:43,980 --> 01:22:46,380
Everybody was bought for me. How
can you not love it? I'm

1295
01:22:46,380 --> 01:22:52,830
drinking out of my pod friend.
Margaret. donors. Yes, David

1296
01:22:52,830 --> 01:23:00,330
made us $10 Joseph maraca $5 We
got a new subscription to BZ

1297
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,770
Kaczynski gave us a zit $1 a
month. Thank you Cameron Rose

1298
01:23:04,830 --> 01:23:12,630
$25 Jeremy new $5 pod verse $50.
And pod versus creator Mitch

1299
01:23:12,630 --> 01:23:18,450
Downey $10 and Christopher Ciara
Barack $10 And that's our group.

1300
01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:22,260
Well, thank you all very much.
The booster grams are

1301
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:25,290
appreciated the monkeys are
super appreciated whenever you

1302
01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:28,200
can do a monthly that's great
for us and please do use PayPal

1303
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,890
because as we were talking
earlier, you know, the we're

1304
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:36,150
like we are in a way like
Spotify. As we're moving into a

1305
01:23:36,150 --> 01:23:41,790
new a new way of value for value
the the total real world Fiat

1306
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:48,630
value has is going down. But so
it's just a transit reminds me

1307
01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:53,160
so much of when I left my own
company to do no agenda full

1308
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:58,050
time and I ate my airplane. I
spent my kid's inheritance you

1309
01:23:58,050 --> 01:24:02,340
know? Just on surviving.
Christina is okay with it by

1310
01:24:02,340 --> 01:24:03,990
now. She got over

1311
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:07,620
it. Yes, Spotify has a three and
a half billion dollar war chest

1312
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:13,140
to buy things we have a three we
have a $3.50 more jest

1313
01:24:13,799 --> 01:24:17,099
much. Thanks pretty much. But
thank you all very much. It is

1314
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:20,069
very much appreciated especially
the guys over at Buzzsprout for

1315
01:24:20,069 --> 01:24:24,239
really, really saving Christmas
that's really safe Chris Thank

1316
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:28,499
you go to podcast index.org You
see the big red donate button

1317
01:24:28,499 --> 01:24:31,979
down at the bottom we got to get
our QR code up there too. We got

1318
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:37,169
to get we I guess we're waiting
for Bolt 12 or whatever. Yeah, I

1319
01:24:37,169 --> 01:24:39,869
don't know what I've been trying
to set up an Ellen bits just so

1320
01:24:39,869 --> 01:24:45,569
we can have a pay a pay link and
ln URL. And I cannot for the

1321
01:24:45,569 --> 01:24:50,669
life of me get any node with a
certificate punch through any

1322
01:24:50,669 --> 01:24:54,929
firewall anywhere or voltage
doesn't have it. I was hoping

1323
01:24:54,929 --> 01:24:58,979
with Umbro well don't try and do
as as you know, SSL certificate

1324
01:24:58,979 --> 01:25:01,499
on your Umbral anymore We'll
blow the whole thing up right

1325
01:25:01,499 --> 01:25:06,299
away. Don't try it on your raspy
blitz either this bullcrap the

1326
01:25:06,299 --> 01:25:10,139
instructions don't work. And not
for me at least you know there's

1327
01:25:10,139 --> 01:25:13,169
always Hey, I did it work right
out of the box. Yeah. All right.

1328
01:25:13,949 --> 01:25:17,279
Well spit the Sphinx donation
thing died that

1329
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,160
died. I knew that was gonna die.
Thanks for removing and I saw

1330
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:20,520
that.

1331
01:25:22,050 --> 01:25:25,800
But I didn't remove it. It just
went away. Oh, just I don't know

1332
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,020
what and it's gone. Yeah, and
it's go.

1333
01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:33,330
Thanks again, everybody value
for value the way forward DeVore

1334
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:34,650
economic and write the book.

1335
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:41,340
Do you want to? Do you want to
listen to you know, it's getting

1336
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:45,210
the shows get a little long now?
Do you want to listen, instead

1337
01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:48,270
of doing the Netflix do NF T's
next week? Okay. Okay. And let's

1338
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:52,170
do. I just thought this was a
very interesting thing. We got a

1339
01:25:52,170 --> 01:25:56,490
clip of Aaron Schwartz. I went
back and listen to that. Have

1340
01:25:56,490 --> 01:25:58,770
you ever seen that documentary
by him called the internet's own

1341
01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:59,130
boy?

1342
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,750
Oh, I may have started it not
finished it. But you should

1343
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:06,300
probably let everyone know who
Aaron Schwartz was.

1344
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:11,640
So he was like, I didn't know
any. And I only knew very little

1345
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,640
about him. I knew what his I
knew what he had done. I didn't

1346
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,590
know who he was like in on a
personal level. And so he his

1347
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:22,560
name is like on tons of
different things that we just

1348
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,350
take for granted now. Like he
was a co inventor of markdown

1349
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:34,170
language, he early RSS, early
RSS. He was very politically

1350
01:26:34,170 --> 01:26:37,560
active. And so a lot of the
political organizations that we

1351
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,940
think of that we see doing
things today were part of that

1352
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:51,390
came from him. That he he was
very, like, if you get his story

1353
01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:58,920
is that he committed suicide?
Because he was just basically

1354
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,450
railroaded by the government.

1355
01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:04,710
Oh, my version is he was cleaned
up. Yeah.

1356
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:12,870
Yeah. And so he. But before that
happened, in the last couple of

1357
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:16,920
years of his life, he became
sort of the go to guy for

1358
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,590
interviews, in that now you have
to have to understand this guy's

1359
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:24,570
very politically, live extremely
left extremely liberal,

1360
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:31,650
extremely devoted to civil
liberties, ACA, very much ACLU

1361
01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:32,790
type liberal,

1362
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:37,110
older an ACLU old way when I
still supported them.

1363
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:44,010
And so that's kind of the thing
with this clip, is as Aaron

1364
01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:48,210
Schwartz interview, he became
sort of a go to guy for a lot of

1365
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:52,800
news organizations when they
wanted to talk about like SOPA

1366
01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:55,020
or PIPA, which is one of the
rise.

1367
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:59,670
But yeah, gosh, that's so that's
12 years ago, maybe longer.

1368
01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:04,080
The Internet blackout, remember
that were blacking out,

1369
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:06,630
Wikipedia shut down their side
and

1370
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,480
Good times. Good times, people.
Yeah.

1371
01:28:10,049 --> 01:28:13,439
He led that and all that. So he
a lot of news organizations

1372
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,749
would have him on isn't to
interview him when it came to

1373
01:28:15,749 --> 01:28:19,619
things like internet as a human
ride and things like that. And

1374
01:28:19,799 --> 01:28:23,399
what I found is, so go ahead and
play this interview, clip real

1375
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:26,099
quick. And then I'll tell and
then I will tell you where the

1376
01:28:26,099 --> 01:28:27,389
interview was from.

1377
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:31,590
Months go by as Schwartz's
friends and family await a

1378
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:35,070
looming indictment. In the
meantime, Schwartz was becoming

1379
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:38,040
a go to expert on a series of
internet issues

1380
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:40,920
to you that do you think that
the internet is something that

1381
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,380
should be considered a human
right, and something that the

1382
01:28:43,380 --> 01:28:45,090
government cannot take away from
you?

1383
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,650
Yes, definitely. I mean, this
notion that national security is

1384
01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:52,140
an excuse to shut down the
internet. That's exactly what we

1385
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:55,260
heard in Egypt and Syria and all
these other countries. And so

1386
01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:57,480
yeah, it's true sites like
WikiLeaks are going to be

1387
01:28:57,480 --> 01:28:59,760
putting up some embarrassing
material about what the US

1388
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,250
government does. And people are
going to be organizing to

1389
01:29:02,250 --> 01:29:04,920
protest about it and try and
change their government. You

1390
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,170
know, and that's a good thing.
That's what all these first

1391
01:29:07,170 --> 01:29:09,270
amendment rights, the free
expression of freedom of

1392
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:11,970
association are all about. And
so the notion that we should try

1393
01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:15,090
and shut those down I think just
goes against very basic American

1394
01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:18,000
principles principle, I think,
is one that our Founding Fathers

1395
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,070
would have understood if the
internet had been around back

1396
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:22,680
then instead of putting post
offices in the Constitution,

1397
01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:24,120
they would have put ISPs

1398
01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:31,200
so here's a guy here's here's a,
a very left liberal defending

1399
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:37,470
freedom of speech. Freedom of
association, defending

1400
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:41,820
I already think I know who the
interviewed interviewer was

1401
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,940
date. Okay. All right. Do you
want to give a guess? Yes,

1402
01:29:44,940 --> 01:29:45,960
because I hate her.

1403
01:29:47,220 --> 01:29:52,530
Is it Kara Swisher? No, no. I
was so sure it was her. It's

1404
01:29:52,530 --> 01:29:55,020
fine. Don't really hate her by
the way. I just hate how she

1405
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,600
it's a hate Listen, that's more
accurate. Sorry.

1406
01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:06,990
The the interview was from RT pa
Yeah. So so the question is,

1407
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:14,160
would you ever today? See a
liberal? on RT? Yes. Again with

1408
01:30:14,190 --> 01:30:14,850
Yes. Only

1409
01:30:14,850 --> 01:30:18,120
those that have been fired from
MSNBC. That's where you go,

1410
01:30:18,150 --> 01:30:20,790
yeah. After that you go to
Archie this fact.

1411
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:24,840
But then would they also be
defending freedom of speech? No,

1412
01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:29,670
no. Like that, that is that
shows you how quickly

1413
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:31,740
culture change. It's Flipster

1414
01:30:31,950 --> 01:30:32,940
change. Well,

1415
01:30:32,940 --> 01:30:38,220
but it's it's also ignorance.
Not really, not really having

1416
01:30:38,220 --> 01:30:41,310
thought it through. I mean,
we're in a, certainly in the

1417
01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:46,560
United States we're in a did the
meritocracy is, sadly in

1418
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:52,920
education is based on test
scores. And then not necessarily

1419
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:56,490
in I just don't think it's been
taught to people what it really

1420
01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:01,800
means. I mean, you probably
heard the German member of

1421
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,850
European Parliament who, who
answered the Australian SOS

1422
01:31:05,850 --> 01:31:07,740
call. Yes,

1423
01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:09,330
I heard that. Yeah. I mean, and

1424
01:31:09,330 --> 01:31:12,540
for her to say, you know, this
is exactly when we used to ask

1425
01:31:12,540 --> 01:31:17,460
our grandparents in cermony.
Current Opa, what did you What

1426
01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:22,080
did you to turn to VA, but your
silence? What did you do what to

1427
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,240
choose? And, you know, but that
I grew up with that, you know, I

1428
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:30,030
grew up my friends, their their
grandmothers were home, and they

1429
01:31:30,030 --> 01:31:32,970
had numbers tattooed on their
arm. So I had a different

1430
01:31:32,970 --> 01:31:36,300
experience. And I'm very, very
aware of that. And, you know,

1431
01:31:36,330 --> 01:31:38,970
and that's the big question is
like, how could that have

1432
01:31:38,970 --> 01:31:41,820
happened, it has not been
answered. And the because they

1433
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:44,820
always say for happiness. Nice.
goosed, we did not know about

1434
01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:48,720
the Orpheum, we were following
order orders. That's exactly

1435
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,390
what's happening. And that's the
left

1436
01:31:52,860 --> 01:31:54,120
that does that,

1437
01:31:54,150 --> 01:31:57,360
which by the way, the Nazi Party
was also a leftist party.

1438
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:04,170
Well, you can socialists and
just you can just see that you

1439
01:32:04,170 --> 01:32:09,570
can just see the how quickly
something can go from anti from

1440
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:12,510
South think how quickly things
can be can be moved

1441
01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:17,670
ideologically to throat. So you
know, now used to something like

1442
01:32:17,670 --> 01:32:22,110
RT was not a verb for, you know,
verboten. Now they're

1443
01:32:22,140 --> 01:32:25,920
now they had to register as a as
an agent of a foreign entity

1444
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,530
just broadcast in America.

1445
01:32:28,590 --> 01:32:31,590
And if you ask anybody today,
you know, hey, what, what about

1446
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:35,430
our TVs? You know, that the
immediate thought is that that's

1447
01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:40,620
a hangout for you know, Right
Wing whack jobs. Yeah. And even

1448
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:44,940
though clearly, it was not that,
you know, at the time anyway, I

1449
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:48,390
just thought that was it was so
surprising to see an A Chiron

1450
01:32:48,690 --> 01:32:51,240
from RT on the bottom and Aaron
Schwartz interview. And I

1451
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,430
thought, man, you know how
quickly things have changed.

1452
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:57,030
Yeah. And that's a lesson
because you get to know how

1453
01:32:57,030 --> 01:33:00,780
quickly things can can change.
So that you know not to give

1454
01:33:00,780 --> 01:33:04,770
away all of your, all of your
power to some group that's going

1455
01:33:04,770 --> 01:33:06,840
to turn around and screw you 10
years from now.

1456
01:33:06,930 --> 01:33:09,870
And if you want to really
understand a lot of this from a

1457
01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:13,050
left perspective, Glenn
Greenwald, his substack, his,

1458
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:17,610
his videos, too, are phenomenal.
And he's a he's a he's a left,

1459
01:33:17,940 --> 01:33:22,770
definitely a left oriented
person. And but he understands

1460
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:25,950
all the corruption. He
understands, and he sees and

1461
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:29,280
this is exactly what he says
like this used to be, you know,

1462
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,460
like, get the government out of
our hair, you know, no

1463
01:33:32,460 --> 01:33:35,670
surveillance, we hate the CIA.
Now. It's like, Oh, we love

1464
01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:37,860
them. We want to be in it.
They're woke.

1465
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:42,060
What's that card is that old
cartoon this got the king and

1466
01:33:42,060 --> 01:33:45,180
the advisor looking at the crowd
and they get pitchforks and

1467
01:33:45,210 --> 01:33:49,710
torches and the the adviser to
the kings like don't worry about

1468
01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:53,220
it. All we all we need to do is
convince the pitchfork people

1469
01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:55,980
that the torch people want to
take away their pitchforks, and

1470
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:57,900
it'll be fine. Don't

1471
01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:00,570
worry about it. So right. All
right. For the next board

1472
01:34:00,570 --> 01:34:04,800
meeting. I you have the NFT
craziness you want to talk about

1473
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,820
I have Ryan hice, his
transcripts, servers, and Ron's

1474
01:34:08,820 --> 01:34:11,220
emails, we got to talk about
this because he's doing some

1475
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:16,290
work and I need to figure out
how we, if it works, how it

1476
01:34:16,290 --> 01:34:19,350
works, and I think we need to
just, it's something

1477
01:34:20,370 --> 01:34:25,740
interesting. Okay, so we'll talk
about that on the next show. And

1478
01:34:25,740 --> 01:34:29,160
what else? Man what a good board
meeting. This is a good one.

1479
01:34:29,190 --> 01:34:31,980
Yeah, it hacks. Well,
congratulations, sir. Well done.

1480
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,290
Thank you. Congratulations to
you.

1481
01:34:34,350 --> 01:34:38,220
I have a great weekend. Dave. I
look forward to anything and

1482
01:34:38,250 --> 01:34:40,140
everything that's going to
happen next week. May all your

1483
01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:42,210
prayers come true. Keep reaching
for the stars.

1484
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:45,990
That reads like a CSB. Donation.

1485
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:49,110
that's it everybody. We'll be
back with the board meeting for

1486
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:52,800
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1487
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,020
us till then take it easy. Have
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1488
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,360
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