1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:06,210 podcasting 2.0 for January 14 2020, to Episode 69 on the 2 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:13,230 board you know what to do and we're gonna talk about Hello, 3 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:17,700 everybody. Welcome to a bigger board meeting of podcasting. 4 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:21,420 2.0. Since we missed one last week, apologies for that. 5 00:00:21,780 --> 00:00:25,770 Everything going on and podcast index.org the podcast namespace 6 00:00:25,770 --> 00:00:29,760 and of course, the action over at podcast index dot social. I'm 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,550 Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in 8 00:00:32,550 --> 00:00:36,330 Alabama, the man who decides just how we do it live my friend 9 00:00:36,330 --> 00:00:39,270 on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. James Jones 10 00:00:41,550 --> 00:00:44,640 being off last week and listen, the show, like totally screwed 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,280 me up. I had no idea what day it was. 12 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:53,370 Well, to be honest, it was very, very hard for me to I mean, I 13 00:00:53,370 --> 00:00:56,010 talked to you about I didn't just make any decision to cancel 14 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:58,350 the board meeting. I'm like, I got to talk to Dave about this. 15 00:00:59,370 --> 00:01:04,200 Yeah. And when a women executive decision about that from the the 16 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,450 podcasting 2.0 broadcast committee, 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,340 yes. Broadcast committee. Yes. The Executive Decision was made 18 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:16,650 in a smoky back room as these things usually do. And yeah, cuz 19 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:21,330 Joe had reached out to me a week before he said, Hey, man, we got 20 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:23,910 we got to do a podcast together so much crazy world. We gotta 21 00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:26,790 talk about stuff. I'm like, Yeah, anytime, man. And then he 22 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:30,750 pinged me on on Wednesday, he says, Hey, Becky, come in 23 00:01:30,750 --> 00:01:34,470 tomorrow said no, I do the show the show live. And they said, 24 00:01:34,470 --> 00:01:37,890 Okay, how about Friday? So I said, Well, that's podcasting, 25 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:40,620 too. When I got to talk to Dave, man, I said, I'll get back to 26 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:42,060 you tonight. And we talked. 27 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,029 And I said, tell Joe, he can wait. You 28 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:48,000 did and I had to and I had to beg and say, Listen, man, I can 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,550 make I can make it worthwhile for us. I couldn't make it worth 30 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:52,440 our while. I really can 31 00:01:54,209 --> 00:01:56,819 get you is it was a good appearance. 32 00:01:57,209 --> 00:01:59,729 Well, I'd like to tell you, I'd like to share with everybody 33 00:01:59,729 --> 00:02:03,239 what came out of it. In in some general terms, 34 00:02:03,629 --> 00:02:07,739 was scammed the open letter to Spotify panned about 270 35 00:02:07,739 --> 00:02:09,209 scientists, I didn't see your name. So 36 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:15,840 that's not what I meant. Something else something else 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,020 came out of it, which I'm going to discuss in general terms 38 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:22,050 because nothing is in stone, but I think it's important. Everyone 39 00:02:22,050 --> 00:02:24,690 knows at least what's going on. You agree? 40 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:26,310 I agree. Okay. 41 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,580 So apparently, after I was talking Bitcoin with Joe, which 42 00:02:32,580 --> 00:02:35,850 is always so fun on Twitter, yeah, you get all these people. 43 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:39,810 Hey, man, you know, was talking about you put each down, man. 44 00:02:41,550 --> 00:02:42,870 You're boiling the sea. 45 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:47,310 Exactly. And what and my standard answer is, Hey, man, 46 00:02:47,310 --> 00:02:50,640 we're an open protocol where all the eath developers, where are 47 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:58,350 they? So there you go. Apparently, Sunday night, there 48 00:02:58,350 --> 00:03:03,540 was a 10 fold increase in signups to companies that 49 00:03:04,230 --> 00:03:07,410 onboard people onto Bitcoin, where you can buy and sell 50 00:03:07,410 --> 00:03:12,210 Bitcoin. And this was, from what I understand it was noticeable 51 00:03:12,210 --> 00:03:14,970 across the industry. And one of these big companies reached out 52 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:16,680 to me and said, Can we talk? 53 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280 And clearly CNN must have mentioned Bitcoin? Yeah. 54 00:03:21,119 --> 00:03:24,119 No, I think the industry also collectively went Oh, yeah, 55 00:03:24,119 --> 00:03:28,139 it's, they all know if that happens on a Sunday, which is 56 00:03:28,139 --> 00:03:31,109 supposed to be one of their slower days, then either someone 57 00:03:31,109 --> 00:03:34,739 was talking about one of the companies or about Bitcoin in 58 00:03:34,739 --> 00:03:37,649 general, some big show, and then they all agreed that had to be 59 00:03:37,649 --> 00:03:42,599 Rogan. So one of them reached out to me and had a very 60 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:46,919 interesting proposal. And the short of it is, they would like 61 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:52,319 to onboard any podcasting 2.0 value for value listeners, they 62 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:56,189 will take the listeners fee out and send it directly into the 63 00:03:56,189 --> 00:04:00,929 wallets. So even an even before your, if it's a new person, 64 00:04:00,929 --> 00:04:04,469 their KYC is all taken care of. And they've done the checking on 65 00:04:04,469 --> 00:04:09,509 who's who. But here's the kicker. They actually want to 66 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:12,719 and, you know, it came out right away. This is something they do 67 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:16,109 for new customers anyway, but they would like to put 10,000 68 00:04:16,109 --> 00:04:20,459 SATs or so into every single new wallet of every customer they 69 00:04:20,459 --> 00:04:26,969 onboard. That's beautiful. It's to me is like holy crap. Now 70 00:04:26,969 --> 00:04:31,019 people are incentivized to talk about it. Because if I got 1000 71 00:04:31,019 --> 00:04:33,599 people listening to my show, I'm going to try and send 1000 72 00:04:33,599 --> 00:04:35,279 people to send me $5. 73 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:41,010 That's the whole sign up. Like what he called reciprocity did 74 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:44,820 like you see him all doing it, where it's like strike and Cash 75 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:48,990 App, you sign up. Tell your buddy to come? Yep, sign up, and 76 00:04:48,990 --> 00:04:51,210 then I'll give you you'll get five bucks and he'll get five 77 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:52,680 bucks. Yeah, yeah. But they're 78 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,710 talking about doing the deep integration. So you could also 79 00:04:55,710 --> 00:05:00,840 do it directly from the podcast apps through some API wizardry 80 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:03,480 and I think we're already having a meeting next week. 81 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:07,560 Yeah, last I saw it was Monday, I think, yeah, we're supposed to 82 00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:11,670 have a talk with that. That's so nice, because that's what we've 83 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:15,900 been wanting to happen is somebody else, too. Because the 84 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:20,640 KYC stuff is just so hard. You can't you got to be a bank, or 85 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,660 something to really Yeah. 86 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:24,150 And you have to do that. Yeah. Cuz you have to have the 87 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:27,630 information stored properly. And you have to have processes and 88 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:31,170 procedures and all this stuff. And I'm pretty sure that they'd 89 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:33,570 be more than willing. Because you know, what's nice about this 90 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:37,920 is also if we can do it with podcasters. When we get our, our 91 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,300 wallets all running the podcast wallet, it's a great way for 92 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:47,190 podcasters to take their their earnings in Bitcoin and shuttle 93 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:51,090 it right out into their bank account into Fiat. Beautiful 94 00:05:51,090 --> 00:05:52,320 because it works both ways. 95 00:05:53,070 --> 00:05:56,640 So perfect. Yeah, that that really is the missing piece that 96 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,370 the onboard off board has been the missing pieces. Day one. 97 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,010 It's the hardest part. It's the hardest part two, and it's a 98 00:06:02,010 --> 00:06:06,570 reputable companies, a company that people have heard of. And 99 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:10,140 what we'll see, I'm very I'm very jacked about that. 100 00:06:10,590 --> 00:06:14,070 It's great timing too, because lightning just continues to 101 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:19,710 become more just industry implementations are emerging 102 00:06:19,710 --> 00:06:23,850 like Asha Kashia. Yeah, that's fantastic. And it puts it just 103 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:27,270 puts it into the monster is becoming there was always fear 104 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:30,240 that it would just become like, let me let me try to figure out 105 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,820 what I'm trying to say here. As, as you go through and try to 106 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:39,720 promote this, this thing that can solve this problem we're 107 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,960 trying to solve yet sort of plant your flag on something. 108 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:45,540 And we planted the flag on lightning, but then there's 109 00:06:45,540 --> 00:06:49,200 always the fear that lightning is not going to pan out right in 110 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,010 the industrial move to in a different direction. But now, I 111 00:06:53,010 --> 00:06:56,250 mean, it doesn't take very many dominoes to fall before. It just 112 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:59,100 becomes like a snowball rolling down the hill. And as you know, 113 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:00,270 like that's what's happening. 114 00:07:00,630 --> 00:07:03,510 As you know, I Adam curry. I picked a hit. 115 00:07:04,050 --> 00:07:04,500 You did. 116 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:10,200 That's, that's my one true talent. I have skills. But 117 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,010 that's my talent. I can pick the Higgs. That's right. Everybody 118 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:16,950 picking the hit. And since the dawn of podcasting. 119 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:20,070 Yeah, it's beautiful. It's perfect timing. 120 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:24,180 It is in more ways than one, you know, Gateway Pundit, which is a 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,140 pretty big blog. news site really is not even a blog. They 122 00:07:28,140 --> 00:07:32,460 got banned from PayPal. Last week. Yeah. I heard that that 123 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:35,130 kind of shook people up. But it is, yeah, that kind of shook 124 00:07:35,130 --> 00:07:39,840 people up. And I was thinking, I had a nice chat with this kid in 125 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,930 New York. And I say, kid 31 I get this a kid. And he has a 126 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:49,380 little network of eight podcasts and the podcasters are all 127 00:07:49,380 --> 00:07:52,020 rabbis. But they're but they're, you know, they're not. They're 128 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:56,610 not like, you know, spouting off some Hebrew jargon. You know, 129 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:59,160 they're, they're, it's more like, like a pastor kind of 130 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,940 preacher, you know, real life stories. And it's some crazy to 131 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:09,360 show titles like dead Jews and stuff. It's. So it's very, it's 132 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,770 supposedly very funny, a lot of the stuff they're doing. And he 133 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:16,860 called me up, Roy actually hooked me up with him. And he 134 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:22,050 said, I think it's soul shopped, I think is the is the soul 135 00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:27,180 shopped with a T. And, and he said, I just talked to him. And 136 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:29,760 so we're talking about value for value. And I was like, and all 137 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,010 of a sudden, it dawned on me how a small network because this, 138 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:38,910 this is not a guy trying to be a podcast network, join my 139 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:42,930 network, I'll get advertising for you all this now. He's, he's 140 00:08:42,930 --> 00:08:46,050 a creative guys. He has a media company with eight properties. 141 00:08:46,050 --> 00:08:48,750 That's the way I view him. And I said, Well, if you do value for 142 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:52,290 value, here's the cool thing with the splits, you can take a 143 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:55,110 network fee. I never really thought about it that way. But 144 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:58,560 it makes so much sense. And so everybody gets there. And you 145 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:03,000 can cut your individual deals with the with your talent, and 146 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,790 your and your creators. And then you just stick all that 147 00:09:05,790 --> 00:09:07,950 information into your value block. And there's always a 148 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:11,580 network fee. Maybe the network takes 40% or 30%. I don't know. 149 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:15,330 Because he has investors. And I say, you know, the one thing 150 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:19,950 I've seen pan out before is when you show investors, you hold up 151 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:25,320 your phone, you show a rolling a scrolling by tally of SATs 152 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,700 coming in for people listening to your shows. Even though it's 153 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,220 50 SATs 100 SATs may be a boost here there. It's very powerful, 154 00:09:35,550 --> 00:09:38,850 because investment investors are always looking for put a penny 155 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:41,640 and get $1 out now what we're showing them is put $1 and get a 156 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,010 penny out at the moment. But the mechanism but they see the 157 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:50,160 mechanism working in this way. So you are actually making money 158 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,030 you just need to scale and and the thing and the great thing 159 00:09:54,030 --> 00:09:58,320 about this is the scaling is not in the amount of the number the 160 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,500 size of the audience is how you talk to the audience and what 161 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:05,040 your ask is. And a reminder, if you treat value for value as 162 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,690 tips, you're going to get tips. Okay? So if you say, hey, tip 163 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:13,620 us, you're going to get tips. If you say this is valuable, is it 164 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:17,700 valuable to you send us what value you think it is, you'll 165 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:19,500 see a very different result. 166 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,680 Can I talk about a psychological component of this real quick? 167 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:23,220 It's all 168 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:27,510 psychology, please. And you are psychology major? No, no, not 169 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:30,300 philosophy. Same thing. It's the same general area. It starts 170 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:31,380 with a PS or something. 171 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,640 I always wanted to be a psycho history major that we know that 172 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:37,620 but that's science fiction. That's not real. That's not 173 00:10:37,620 --> 00:10:43,590 real. But so the psychology of this is, and I was listening to 174 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:49,320 no agenda the other day. And I hear you. Yes. I hear cutting 175 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,830 through the noise gate. Every now and then. Okay. And it 176 00:10:52,830 --> 00:10:56,820 reminds me of another podcast that I've listened to for years 177 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:05,070 security now. Yes, yes. Security now. During that show, Steve 178 00:11:05,070 --> 00:11:07,920 Gibson, the host has it set up to where as it wired to where 179 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:14,370 anytime somebody buys a copy of his software. I'm paying. It has 180 00:11:14,370 --> 00:11:17,340 a yabba dabba doo that goes off in the end, you can hear it in 181 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:20,340 the background every time somebody but it becomes a little 182 00:11:20,340 --> 00:11:24,030 bit of gamification where people try to try to signal it during 183 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:26,700 the live stream so Oh, yeah, hear themselves in the booth. 184 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:33,840 This is a fantastic idea. Everybody that does that does 185 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,010 this everybody that does booster grams if they live stream 186 00:11:38,010 --> 00:11:41,850 especially but even if they don't, should have the pew pew 187 00:11:41,850 --> 00:11:43,920 audible. I have it on the board. 188 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:47,580 I have it on right now as we speak for that very reason. 189 00:11:47,610 --> 00:11:48,750 Absolutely. 190 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,660 I was getting the beats Yeah, I was 191 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:54,600 getting all kinds of messages from people about hearing it on 192 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,140 no agenda, but also a curry curry in the keeper it was going 193 00:11:58,140 --> 00:12:01,920 off like crazy. And and I have it on now because you know that 194 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:05,790 Chad F is gonna you know, or somewhere dreads someone's going 195 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:08,610 to try and boost the grandmas I haven't I haven't piped in just 196 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:12,150 in case. It's really cool. It's that's entirely is a great 197 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:13,080 psychology. 198 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,530 Especially if you live stream. That's then then you're talking 199 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:20,160 about you know that that's that's the best the dopamine 200 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,510 hit. It comes back. And speaking of. 201 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:27,360 Yes, speaking of the 202 00:12:28,350 --> 00:12:29,100 live item, 203 00:12:29,220 --> 00:12:31,530 now do you want to get the star Do you want to bring in our 204 00:12:31,530 --> 00:12:34,710 guests so they can participate in this? Because this is a very 205 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:41,160 big topic. It bleeds into pod Yang it bleeds into creating 206 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,380 standards. A whole whole bunch of things surrounding this. 207 00:12:46,589 --> 00:12:49,139 Yeah, the guests have been out there in the lobby, just drink 208 00:12:49,139 --> 00:12:51,239 it still coffee for a while. I'm gonna bring them in. Yeah, we 209 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,480 should. We'd like to welcome to the board meeting once again. 210 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,560 Back for more. Alberto patella and Ben Richardson from Rs. 211 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:06,900 s.com. Gentlemen, Hey, guys, I not only the co founders of one 212 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:12,300 of the leading hosting providers for podcast necessities, all in 213 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:16,620 on podcasting. 2.0. But also, along with Buzzsprout are one of 214 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:19,500 our top supporters of the entire project. So we're highly 215 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,230 appreciative of everything you've done to support 216 00:13:22,230 --> 00:13:25,470 everything that's going on here. Happy to do it. Happy to do it. 217 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,470 Yeah, I wanted I was thinking about getting you guys back on. 218 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:31,590 I was talking to you, Ben offline about how you've been 219 00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:36,030 doing some stuff with, you know, outside the US. And also we 220 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:38,010 haven't talked to you search, I've put in some tags and 221 00:13:38,010 --> 00:13:41,880 search. Can you before we start talking about lost stuff? I 222 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,780 mean, can you kind of go over what you've done in the Spanish 223 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:48,900 speaking market, because I think I've been thinking a lot about 224 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,470 this lately. And since or I was listening to Pineland yesterday, 225 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:56,940 Sam Sethi talked about India. And the non you know, non 226 00:13:56,940 --> 00:14:00,990 English speaking podcasting doesn't get a lot of us press, 227 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:05,190 especially because the markets is very big Marcus, can you kind 228 00:14:05,190 --> 00:14:06,390 of go over what you've done? 229 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,890 Yeah, absolutely. Just to start off, let me say, if we ever went 230 00:14:10,890 --> 00:14:14,130 to India, we would be huge, because RSS is a political 231 00:14:14,130 --> 00:14:15,030 party. They're kind of 232 00:14:17,820 --> 00:14:21,690 why not do both do both run the country and run the podcasting 233 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:22,290 infrastructure. 234 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:27,210 When I used to tweet stuff on our Twitter handle our at RSS, I 235 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:33,150 would get like 2 million, 3 million views of what it was. It 236 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:36,720 wasn't it was insane. And then they would write back so um, but 237 00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:40,590 we are highly focused on Latin America and especially Mexico. 238 00:14:40,890 --> 00:14:45,510 We because Alberto and I both speak Spanish, we have had an 239 00:14:45,510 --> 00:14:49,440 affinity towards our early adopting customers down there. 240 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,380 And it turns out that they're just great, great people and 241 00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:57,450 partners. So we've really tried to augment the efforts that 242 00:14:57,450 --> 00:15:02,130 they're making to grow the podcasting space down there. And 243 00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:06,690 so we've we've been intentionally positioned to have 244 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:10,890 international presences. But in particular, within the Spanish 245 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:15,180 speaking markets in Mexico, with our customer support is, is all 246 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:20,940 bilingual. All of our, all of our knowledge base is in three 247 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:22,170 languages. Ah, 248 00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:23,550 and we have a booster gram. 249 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,870 And we've been in fact, we just went down to Mexico in October. 250 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:35,580 And we're working directly there with the creators to develop 251 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:40,110 their presence within that market where we've got an 252 00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:42,570 attorney down there helping us kind of navigate the legal 253 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:44,640 system that oh my god, 254 00:15:44,970 --> 00:15:47,520 hey, wait a minute, you know, you know, Ben, Ben, you are so 255 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:51,660 into the Spanish language, you even have emulated the Mexican 256 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:59,070 radio microphone sound, it's really uncanny how good let me 257 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,690 know I'm just messing with you know, messing with this is 258 00:16:03,690 --> 00:16:06,750 really exciting. That's, that's huge. Who else is in the market 259 00:16:06,750 --> 00:16:08,220 who's who's competing with this, that'd 260 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:11,370 be Isaac's right. And they are, they might be your competitor. 261 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,810 So they're based there. 262 00:16:12,839 --> 00:16:16,289 They're out of Spain. And they do have a tremendously large 263 00:16:16,289 --> 00:16:21,599 catalogue of Spanish language podcasts. But I don't see a 264 00:16:21,599 --> 00:16:24,539 whole lot of movement from them in Latin America. And I know, 265 00:16:24,539 --> 00:16:27,449 they just took a bunch of VC funding, but we haven't seen it 266 00:16:27,449 --> 00:16:33,269 deployed in in any way. A cast is down there. They've got an 267 00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:37,859 eight person office, but we haven't really seen new traction 268 00:16:37,859 --> 00:16:42,389 with them. And then Spotify is down there. And they haven't, 269 00:16:42,989 --> 00:16:45,389 that I've seen done too much either. And then there's another 270 00:16:45,389 --> 00:16:49,169 one that we've worked with that I can't say the name that has 271 00:16:49,169 --> 00:16:52,799 tried to get down there and they just can't they can't make it 272 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:57,689 work their internationalization approaches. Is COVID really kind 273 00:16:57,689 --> 00:16:58,229 of messed them up. 274 00:16:58,590 --> 00:17:02,790 Is the Spanish speaking market are a lot the largest part of 275 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:04,050 your customer base at this point? 276 00:17:04,050 --> 00:17:08,850 Because no, no, it's it's, it's very useful just starting, you 277 00:17:08,850 --> 00:17:11,010 know, for downloads, it's pretty large, because we have some of 278 00:17:11,010 --> 00:17:15,210 the bigger podcasters in Mexico in particular. And we're looking 279 00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:19,800 to expand that these guys are all very well connected to each 280 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:26,220 other. And so we're, we're, we're actively mining those 281 00:17:26,220 --> 00:17:29,310 relationships, we're building our own. We're standing up a 282 00:17:29,310 --> 00:17:32,400 team down there. I mean, we've got a lot going on, on down 283 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,050 there. And we loved we our visit to Mexico was eye opening in 284 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:41,130 many respects. We invested in a podcasting studio down there. I 285 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:42,720 mean, we've got just a lot going on. 286 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,920 Yesterday at high rollers, man, big ballers 287 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,540 know like to get on this pillowtop Yes, exactly. Yes, it 288 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:56,640 was on my mind. Thank you, blueberry for your 2112 your 289 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,950 rush boost. And nice. 290 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,500 Yes. Go ahead. 291 00:18:02,460 --> 00:18:06,300 Yeah, I was saying that. It's true that we do have a unique 292 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:10,170 value proposition there compared to competitors. And the 293 00:18:10,170 --> 00:18:14,700 proposition is simple. Ben and I, so the founders, they we go 294 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:19,110 there on the field, and we meet creators. And it was a 295 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:23,370 highlight, I would say of last year for us to after years 296 00:18:23,370 --> 00:18:27,360 building a product meeting the people that use it. We were on 297 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:33,120 our rooftop terrace in the neighborhood, which is 298 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:38,040 comparable to Soho, right of Mexico City, meeting creators, 299 00:18:38,370 --> 00:18:42,060 we podcaster pitching literally their podcast, there was this 300 00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:47,730 person that is the best expert in Mexico about Dracula, to 301 00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:51,420 translate. And he met their relatives. He was pitching the 302 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:54,570 podcast because now we have a podcast studio so we can produce 303 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:58,290 forecasts, and we can promote them. And it was super exciting, 304 00:18:58,290 --> 00:19:00,930 especially from summer lag like me over the past two years as 305 00:19:00,930 --> 00:19:04,920 building tech companies. Right? Do we, you know, they're 306 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,700 estimated a lot to be lost. And we think that, that we're very 307 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:10,290 excited for what has yet to come. 308 00:19:10,890 --> 00:19:14,340 Do you think that's what it was was mostly like how you're able 309 00:19:14,340 --> 00:19:17,760 to get better traction there, maybe versus others that you're 310 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:21,870 focusing on the podcaster. First, instead of the tech side 311 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,390 of things or the business side of things, you're just going 312 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,210 sort of straight to the talent if it were? 313 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:32,070 Well, I mean, I can speak to what how this strategy actually 314 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:36,570 developed there is we because I grew up on the border with 315 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:39,720 Mexico. So I mean, I was highly tuned in to who was joining our 316 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,480 platform early on. He saw family 317 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,780 in Mexico too. Yes. And part of my great grandfather, yeah. 318 00:19:47,610 --> 00:19:52,050 Jack, Jack Ben here, just because Ben, when we speak in 319 00:19:52,050 --> 00:19:54,540 English, he speaks Italian he speaks Spanish, but when he 320 00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:58,920 speaks Spanish, you know maybe in a meeting with a video call 321 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,430 it you know, it's Well, but when I came to Mexico the first 322 00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:05,910 night, we were having dinner, and he spoke Mexican with a 323 00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:09,420 Mexican accent. I said, how, how come and he just switched the, 324 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,850 you know, the the brain chip in the brain hurt him like it was 325 00:20:14,850 --> 00:20:15,690 like Mexican 326 00:20:17,010 --> 00:20:17,970 Unbeliev. Anyway, sorry, 327 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:20,640 sorry, man, it was it was because I spent two hours on a 328 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,460 plane hearing only Spanish. That's what it takes to kind of 329 00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:27,960 gear me up. But so how the strategy developed there, oh, by 330 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840 the way, my great grandfather was in front of a firing squad 331 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,420 in Mexico at one point in time, and it was saved at the last 332 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:33,720 second. 333 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,200 Wow, that's bragging rights. 334 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:42,270 But in Mexico, so I was highly tuned in to what was joining 335 00:20:42,270 --> 00:20:45,780 down there that I was watching the downloads, and we sought to 336 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:49,290 grow that market. So we did an initial partnership with that 337 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:54,780 podcast. And we did not see any return on our time investment on 338 00:20:54,780 --> 00:20:58,200 our spot investment on our on anything. And so we thought, 339 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,710 okay, Mexico's not going to be a traditional sort of market for 340 00:21:01,710 --> 00:21:05,490 us. But we love Mexico, we want to be in Mexico. So let's 341 00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:10,380 explore other ways to, to grow down there. And the content side 342 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:13,440 was where we really felt like, Okay, this is the right strategy 343 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,250 for us, our company, and the people that we are establishing 344 00:21:17,250 --> 00:21:20,310 relationships with so nine how it went there? 345 00:21:20,790 --> 00:21:24,780 Nice. Okay, I wonder how value for value would work in Mexico? 346 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:26,730 Yeah. Is there a Bitcoin 347 00:21:27,689 --> 00:21:29,669 or Bitcoin culture there? 348 00:21:30,179 --> 00:21:34,469 So we have talked about it fairly frequently with some of 349 00:21:34,469 --> 00:21:39,209 our more kind of bleeding edge sort of people, you know, the 350 00:21:39,209 --> 00:21:43,619 younger generation especially, and we haven't gotten a lot of 351 00:21:44,249 --> 00:21:46,799 positive feedback. We haven't gotten any negative feedback. 352 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:50,939 It's just a matter of educating, educating the user down there 353 00:21:50,939 --> 00:21:55,049 but you know, it's it's there's there are different socio 354 00:21:55,049 --> 00:21:57,689 economic realities that would help you're using 355 00:21:57,689 --> 00:22:00,449 cryptocurrency, just like we see in Africa, for instance. Yeah, 356 00:22:00,479 --> 00:22:03,839 but remittance payments. Yeah, remittance payments and things 357 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,309 like that. I mean, it how about 358 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:08,610 this watch on would they would they be interested in in 359 00:22:08,610 --> 00:22:12,210 offering to their users 10,000 Satoshis. To send to them? 360 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,080 You know, I'll be honest, I was telling how Bear thought either 361 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,570 this week or last week, I said, you know, there's got to be some 362 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:22,500 cryptocurrency out there that's wanting to seed some sort of 363 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:28,260 marketplace or innovators, so as to increase adoption. And then I 364 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:31,440 know that there's like guys in the eath market that throw away 365 00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:34,260 ether to try to make them more valuable or rippled. Has this 366 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:39,660 like 800 million. Rip. Yeah. And so I thought, man, it would be 367 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:42,150 awesome if one of those guys would come in and see the 368 00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:45,720 industry to kind of kickstart things. And it sounds like 369 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,330 that's exactly what you guys are talking about. Yeah, I think 370 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:49,560 that's super exciting. Yeah. 371 00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:52,440 Okay. Yay, go team. 372 00:22:54,330 --> 00:22:56,940 So we talk about education process, you know, yeah, 373 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:59,400 well, that's what you that's a big part of what hosting 374 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,050 companies traditionally have done. And, and I think, the more 375 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:07,740 I look at where we're at now, where we're at a year and a half 376 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:12,300 into a 2.0, you can see that there's still hosting companies 377 00:23:12,450 --> 00:23:16,560 of significant size, who have not modernized their own 378 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:21,660 thinking internally, in preparing for anything, really, 379 00:23:21,690 --> 00:23:26,550 for any type of new innovation in in our future. And I think 380 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:29,880 that just kind of letting it pass them by is odd to see. 381 00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:33,990 Yeah, you know, I count ourselves lucky that we came in 382 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,680 at the right time. You know, there's that Innovators Dilemma, 383 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:43,230 you know, the Clayton Christian thing, and we're luckily not the 384 00:23:43,230 --> 00:23:46,350 incumbents in this regard. And the tech stack that I'll bet 385 00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:50,100 those building within our company is, I mean, just cutting 386 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:53,580 edge world class, our tech, technological debt, our tech 387 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:58,290 debt is super low. Because we've kind of led from that from the 388 00:23:58,290 --> 00:24:01,470 beginning. But whereas these incumbents, these old, or 389 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:05,520 heritage players, I think James called them these heritage 390 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,570 players just are, you know, it takes a lot of effort to not 391 00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:14,040 accumulate that tech debt. And so we're just starting at a 392 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,820 better place. But yeah, it's, uh, I count ourselves lucky. 393 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:25,500 So, to bring it back to to a podcasting 2.0. Look, what do 394 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:29,940 you what do you see as any of the namespace elements or any of 395 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:34,200 the new features that are there any of those that seem to be 396 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,590 taking some traction in Mexico or in the 397 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:40,770 stand anywhere, anywhere? Yeah. Yeah. 398 00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:44,040 Maybe you can. Maybe you seen in your metrics, anything? 399 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,170 Yeah. So chapters are increasing, increasing the 400 00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:52,500 adopted? Still, it's not it's a very small percentage. I can 401 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:56,550 give you a number. It's just 1% of our episodes that have some 402 00:24:56,550 --> 00:25:00,690 kind of chapters. Some of them seem to be test seven then. And 403 00:25:00,690 --> 00:25:04,920 I guess that the whole problem there is that we really need 404 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,940 more apps, maybe one of the major player supporting them 405 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:11,880 that that's really worked with the local chapters, but chapter 406 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,730 is definitely one of the most interesting. And then Ben and I 407 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:19,860 have great expectations for the location tag. It's very 408 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:22,530 exciting, okay. And maybe then you want to build on that? 409 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,240 Well, I just, I just see, you know, emerging markets, they 410 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,880 have different profiles on the media side as well. In Mexico, 411 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,450 for instance, has a high amount of radio involvement much higher 412 00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:39,420 than the US. But that's going to shift it everything's going to 413 00:25:39,420 --> 00:25:44,160 go as the US market is gone. And getting a location tag into the 414 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,030 podcast that that are starting to develop down there is going 415 00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:52,500 to allow people to have a different expectation of their 416 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,060 of their podcasting platform. So if you're in northern Mexico, 417 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,610 northern Mexico is different than southern Mexico, and 418 00:25:59,610 --> 00:26:02,550 Eastern is different than Western Central is different 419 00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:08,130 than everywhere. So localising, we see a lot of promise in going 420 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:11,490 to the traditional media outlets, and saying, Come on 421 00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:16,200 over bring these sorts of content that bring this type of 422 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,080 content into a podcasting type media, and let's let's target or 423 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,810 let's help your listeners find you. Whereas currently there 424 00:26:27,810 --> 00:26:30,660 it's just kind of like throw it all out there and hope that you 425 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:33,330 know, your people find you this is gonna we're gonna help people 426 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:36,660 find the right content that they're looking for and and 427 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,000 have a question in your in your education of podcasters. Do you 428 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,230 talk about how do you talk about how the podcaster can use their 429 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:49,950 influence over the audience to help adopt new things and try 430 00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:53,460 new things? And do you? Do you kind of press that that this is 431 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:57,000 this is how new feeds like, even just with chapters? 432 00:26:57,210 --> 00:27:01,680 Yeah, I mean, transcript attractors is a good example. 433 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,480 And I'll bet if I can talk to transcripts in a second, I think 434 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,230 but chapters we have been approaching Adam, from a 435 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:13,620 perspective of you guys want to start doing this now. Because 436 00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:17,790 the minute it's unlocked on a, on a major podcast app, you're 437 00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:21,000 going to be at the very front. And so we've been kind of spring 438 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,560 loading, spring loading on their side, the expectation that they 439 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,260 really need to support now, in order to take advantage of the 440 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:31,080 medium that's eventually going to come if date, if one of these 441 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,390 big guys doesn't do it, we're gonna go out and we're gonna buy 442 00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:36,960 a podcast app, and we're gonna make it happen. But it's just a 443 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,230 fun 444 00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:39,990 way. You just say that again? Yeah, man. 445 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,040 Wait, where? Listen, there's only one way to really put 446 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,780 pressure on the market and it's from pushing, you can't pull. So 447 00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:51,900 the way you push the market towards a new standard is either 448 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,410 through FOMO, or loss of market share. So we're gonna, we're 449 00:27:55,410 --> 00:27:57,720 gonna figure that out, we're gonna get it. So 450 00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:59,820 I like that. Mr. Ben. 451 00:28:01,110 --> 00:28:03,990 Didn't when he said that didn't surprise me at all just knowing 452 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:04,710 you. The 453 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,420 reason, of course, is how we think in Texas. Hey, what does 454 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:11,310 that happen? Yours costs on. 455 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,860 T. Boone Pickens, 456 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:18,510 you guys, you guys might remember that Alberta is like, 457 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:24,690 he's a world class app CTO, like he has built several very like 458 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,170 high functioning high dollar apps. And we haven't even tapped 459 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:34,230 into his full like golf bag of, of skill sets yet in our 460 00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:37,560 company. And so we're gonna unlock everything it's just a 461 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,290 matter of patiently and Albert has to pull the reins on me a 462 00:28:40,290 --> 00:28:41,190 little bit on this stuff. 463 00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,130 There's your FOMO right there you guys got this you sitting on 464 00:28:44,130 --> 00:28:46,950 bombs man, every other every other competitor should be 465 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:47,910 worried now. 466 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:52,320 We're gonna we're gonna move to Mexico and taking care of the 467 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:52,950 apps. 468 00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:54,450 Yeah, no, 469 00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:59,550 I'm good. With that. Sass from Mexico is the same SATs it's all 470 00:28:59,550 --> 00:29:00,690 good to 471 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,700 go you want to talk about transcripts? 472 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,530 multiling. Just taken from from the question also. They have 473 00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:13,140 education. So it's, it's it's it's a mix between the adoption 474 00:29:13,170 --> 00:29:16,890 of chapters transcript and and podcast index. Lupino tags, 475 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:22,230 obviously, is a mix is directly correlated to the major apps or 476 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:26,700 apps prominent podcast apps that support them. For example, a pod 477 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:32,850 verse, we met Mitch, last year in Nashville, and pod eight, 478 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:37,170 podcasting 2.0 For example, I listened both cussing to blow on 479 00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:41,190 pod verse because I love chapter really loved them. And I you 480 00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:43,890 know, so it's very, it's very important on the one hand, and 481 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:47,730 on the other hand, as you said, Adam is education. Now there is 482 00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:52,530 a point regarding our user base, which is that in the first 483 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:56,610 couple of years of our company, due to the features we had at 484 00:29:56,610 --> 00:30:00,210 the time, you know, we built it from scratch. So we we We're 485 00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:04,140 taking mostly the long tail of podcasters. So people actually 486 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:08,100 started from scratch. But more and more features more and more 487 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:11,010 with time passing, we added more and more features now, right? So 488 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:15,450 now we are in a position where we can we are creating content 489 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,620 in our blog, even in our user interface, right? We we put a 490 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:23,400 hyperlink to podcasting index to the apps that support some of 491 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,510 the tags. So that's the whole point like education goes in 492 00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:31,650 parallel with the number of features and the the target for 493 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:35,640 which you can either your projects or your product. So so 494 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,540 we are in this stage right now where we are starting to educate 495 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,700 on the podcasting. TurboTax. 496 00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:46,380 Wow, okay. You just blew me away. I have nothing to say. 497 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:50,730 You're doing everything exactly the way I would do it. That's, 498 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800 that's impressive, man. Very, very cool. 499 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:00,300 I wish that we had I wish we had a radio like, like this, like 500 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,180 James, who knows the current radio landscape, maybe in a 501 00:31:03,180 --> 00:31:08,280 world, like a global basis? Because I wonder how much in 502 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,830 simple in a place like Mexico, I wonder how much radio 503 00:31:10,830 --> 00:31:13,380 consumption there is versus podcast. consols got 504 00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:17,910 to be off the hook. It's like, it was like 99.9% radio? 505 00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:22,619 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's what so our entry to these large 506 00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:26,429 pot, our radio conglomerates that are going very well for us 507 00:31:26,489 --> 00:31:32,879 is these, these are still kind of, let's see generational type 508 00:31:33,329 --> 00:31:36,749 companies, where they're not necessarily looking down the 509 00:31:36,749 --> 00:31:40,499 road more than two or three years. And so we're coming in, 510 00:31:40,499 --> 00:31:43,709 we're saying, Guys, this isn't important to you now. But it 511 00:31:43,709 --> 00:31:46,979 will be in three or four years when this is the hottest thing 512 00:31:46,979 --> 00:31:50,969 since radio. So let's get you involved now. And let's let's 513 00:31:50,969 --> 00:31:52,199 start working together now. And 514 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,380 I was I was thinking about this in the context of the live tag 515 00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,140 when I was hearing it, you know, I was reading some discussion 516 00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:01,110 about it. And I thought, Wow, this actually kind of, you know, 517 00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:03,810 we there's two companies, I guess, now have been purchased 518 00:32:04,530 --> 00:32:09,720 by one by Spotify, one by a big radio, holding company, they 519 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:14,700 mainly for how they handle the RSS feeds for radio shows within 520 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,320 feeds. And I was thinking that, you know, the LIVE TAG is a real 521 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,780 differentiator for radio station feeds. Where you can alert 522 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:28,590 someone is okay, this show is live, or here's the quote 523 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:30,360 unquote, podcast the replay. 524 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:35,550 I don't know what do y'all think? So since we've been 525 00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:42,840 building the LIVE TAG, for the last few months, the use case in 526 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,970 my mind has been almost exactly this. I mean, we I think we get 527 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:50,880 into the trap of thinking about okay, we're going to get with 528 00:32:51,030 --> 00:32:54,750 with a LIVE TAG, we're going to get YouTubers who are going to 529 00:32:54,750 --> 00:32:57,060 start, you know, live broadcast or whatever. But 530 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,190 if I may, if I may, I'm sorry to interrupt the genesis of the 531 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:05,130 live tag and I this is what I was trying to figure out. How 532 00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:08,160 did we get from where we were, all of a sudden to this big 533 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,010 discussion about what it's supposed to be? And then when 534 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:14,430 someone is out there saying, you know, we're it looks like we're 535 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,310 it was Mitch, actually, we're telling podcasters how they 536 00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:19,620 should do it. I'm like, Okay, we've clearly gone off the 537 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:24,420 rails, in my mind that genesis of the live tag was in 538 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:29,430 combination with booster grams, similar to a super chat on 539 00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:33,570 YouTube. That's how I recall it coming to life. Was there 540 00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:34,710 something before that? 541 00:33:35,699 --> 00:33:40,259 Well, the LIVE TAG sort of existed before that, before that 542 00:33:40,259 --> 00:33:47,159 discussion. And it really, it really goes back to to Alice 543 00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:53,069 gates and in a tube. Right. He wanted to he wanted to enable 544 00:33:53,069 --> 00:33:55,949 that feature on no agenda two, but do it in an open standards 545 00:33:55,949 --> 00:33:59,249 way. Right. Live Streaming? Yeah, live streaming, because 546 00:33:59,249 --> 00:34:03,569 there's no equivalent to it. There's no equivalent to 547 00:34:03,569 --> 00:34:06,929 something like that. That does it on the distributed 548 00:34:06,959 --> 00:34:08,789 distribution side. So can I 549 00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:11,670 just cut straight to my conclusion, then I'll shut up 550 00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:14,910 for the rest of the show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I just want 551 00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:19,680 to make sure we realize that we're thinking upside down. This 552 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,640 is it's not like, it's like like, you know, the result of 553 00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:27,270 all discussion I'm seeing is now your podcast that becomes a 554 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:30,000 notification for your YouTube app or something like that. 555 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,930 You're upside down people who are streaming to Facebook and 556 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:38,760 YouTube or have the option of also firing up an additional 557 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,740 stream to na tube. That's how they do it. I'm very I talked to 558 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,860 moe about this all the time. He's very big into the streaming 559 00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:51,600 stuff. And it's multiple streams they do it either from OBS or 560 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,280 they do it from stream yard. I think it is. And this is so 561 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,300 instead of trying to give people another place where they can be 562 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,840 notified about something they're doing on YouTube. Give them the 563 00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:08,820 option, an additional place to stream to. That's how it should 564 00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:11,010 be viewed in my mind. Does that make sense? 565 00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:14,760 Yeah, no, it makes. Yeah, that's Well, that's the way I've been. 566 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,810 Yes. All right. But then when Spotify, this is why I brought 567 00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:25,290 up sort of to ask Ben and Alberto's about the radio part 568 00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:29,910 was that, yes, that that is an option for existing sort of 569 00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:35,010 digital streamers. But then you also have this Spotify buying 570 00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:39,630 Bushka in this entrance into for like the podcasting platforms 571 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:45,810 are trying to clearly get a foot in the door of radio. And so 572 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:51,960 it's not a big leap to think that an app like pod verse can 573 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,350 become a live streaming. As for for these radio stations as 574 00:35:58,350 --> 00:36:03,210 well, yes. Like I can, I can envision like a sort of a radio 575 00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:08,070 station out of Mexico City, just having a podcast feed, and it 576 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:10,860 may have their old shows in it. But at the top of the feed, 577 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,850 there's their current live stream going. And for that, I 578 00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:15,180 mean, 579 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:18,840 maybe you get alerted when the morning show starts or something 580 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,370 like that. Yeah. Or special. 581 00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:24,600 Yeah, what do you guys think about that? I think that's yes, 582 00:36:24,629 --> 00:36:29,279 let me jump in here. We, we do have some experience here. And 583 00:36:29,279 --> 00:36:31,769 then I'll I'll turn it over to Alberto because I think he's 584 00:36:31,769 --> 00:36:36,149 probably more versed in this, but we got approached by an 585 00:36:36,149 --> 00:36:40,859 online radio company down there and looked at it, and ultimately 586 00:36:40,859 --> 00:36:47,309 decided not to invest or not to kind of further discussions. The 587 00:36:47,309 --> 00:36:51,149 reason we did that is, there was not a lot of traction that they 588 00:36:51,149 --> 00:36:54,839 were able to accomplish, it was very niche and not growing. So 589 00:36:54,839 --> 00:36:59,909 from a business case, that particular that particular use 590 00:36:59,909 --> 00:37:03,599 was not necessarily where I would envision a live a live 591 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:09,449 streaming tag going on the radio side. Just speaking from my 592 00:37:09,449 --> 00:37:13,889 side, and I hope I don't really, you know, get you guys angry at 593 00:37:13,889 --> 00:37:18,719 me. But one of the benefits to podcasting for I would say 80% 594 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,849 of the people that use podcasting is that it's 595 00:37:21,089 --> 00:37:25,379 asynchronous. And the minute you introduce synchronicity to 596 00:37:26,219 --> 00:37:31,139 podcasting, you almost out of necessity, eliminate a lot of 597 00:37:31,139 --> 00:37:34,049 your listeners, now, the interaction that you're able to 598 00:37:34,049 --> 00:37:38,189 get out of Live, live streaming, would probably supersede that. 599 00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:41,099 And then you can create a recording, etc, etc, and maybe 600 00:37:41,099 --> 00:37:43,829 get, you know, to some other model that makes sense for the 601 00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:47,789 listener. But I think it's going to be more of a very specific 602 00:37:47,789 --> 00:37:51,209 use case, rather than the Washko model, which is take this 603 00:37:51,209 --> 00:37:56,849 content, which is delivered in real time, and then reconfigure 604 00:37:56,849 --> 00:38:00,059 it, you know, massage it a little bit so that it's more 605 00:38:00,059 --> 00:38:04,379 palatable to somebody listening asynchronously. And I think 606 00:38:04,379 --> 00:38:09,809 that's the larger market. So for Mexico, in particular, a live 607 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:16,409 streaming, probably not going to be a function, that's going to 608 00:38:16,409 --> 00:38:20,519 get you a lot of users or usability, as opposed to 609 00:38:20,609 --> 00:38:24,119 listening to the morning show at night, which is where I think a 610 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,399 lot of a lot of that direction is going 611 00:38:26,579 --> 00:38:29,519 there's, there's a third category, which I belong to, 612 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:35,549 which I've been doing for maybe 11 or 12 years. And that's where 613 00:38:35,549 --> 00:38:41,909 we do the show on a live stream, and have a feedback mechanism, 614 00:38:41,909 --> 00:38:46,049 in this case, a chat, but I'm equally as happy with booster 615 00:38:46,049 --> 00:38:52,049 Graham's where that interaction has become a part of the show. 616 00:38:52,379 --> 00:38:55,769 And what we're seeing is, there's just a segment of the 617 00:38:55,769 --> 00:38:59,309 audience that shows up is just there. I mean, this has been 618 00:38:59,309 --> 00:39:04,139 done with twit has done this from day one. This is a very, a 619 00:39:04,139 --> 00:39:07,169 very common category, which I think is the one that to me, 620 00:39:07,169 --> 00:39:09,869 personally, is the most interesting, and does make 621 00:39:09,869 --> 00:39:12,629 sense. Because even the people who listen to the live stream, 622 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:17,789 they often listen to the podcast again. Now, that's just from a 623 00:39:17,879 --> 00:39:21,929 separate category of podcasters perspective. And we haven't and 624 00:39:21,929 --> 00:39:25,499 we've grown a pretty big audience doing that from the 625 00:39:25,499 --> 00:39:31,139 radio broadcaster side. If I think that, again, I just looked 626 00:39:31,139 --> 00:39:35,429 at it upside down a unique opportunity to take someone from 627 00:39:35,429 --> 00:39:38,609 hey, here's the the morning show, and you can listen to it 628 00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:41,639 whenever you want to, you know, if you just want to listen to 629 00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:45,989 the station, right now, at this moment, use the same app. 630 00:39:45,989 --> 00:39:48,509 Here's, you know, click just click here and you're good to 631 00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:52,919 go. Because eventually, all radio has to get rid of their 632 00:39:52,919 --> 00:39:57,359 infrastructure. So this is a transition to bringing radio 633 00:39:57,389 --> 00:40:02,849 into into app. No, it's not Exactly podcasting. And then I 634 00:40:02,849 --> 00:40:08,219 think ultimately, the expense of doing radio, you know, on a 635 00:40:08,729 --> 00:40:13,169 linear 24 hour timescale is too overbearing, and they will all 636 00:40:13,169 --> 00:40:16,079 become podcasts. So it to me, it's a transition or 637 00:40:16,109 --> 00:40:21,029 transitionary thing into live shows that benefit from having a 638 00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:24,179 quote unquote studio audience who's just kind of always there, 639 00:40:24,179 --> 00:40:28,019 it's a minority of the people, it does not suck away from the 640 00:40:28,019 --> 00:40:31,019 podcast at all. In fact, we've only grown over time. 641 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,710 That seems like you can meet in the middle, because you have, 642 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,800 yes, sort of two, you have two paradigms. Here you have the 643 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,230 radio paradigm, which is broadcast live only, 644 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,020 essentially. And then you have the podcast paradigm, which is 645 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:48,600 all time shifted to asynchronous to use Ben's work, you know, you 646 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,970 have these two things in the middle. And then, but then you 647 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:55,320 have this middle ground where you have an a podcast, like no 648 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,820 agenda, or accidental tech or coder, radio, Linux unplugged, 649 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,750 just many examples is more than go down the list as a lot. We're 650 00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:05,430 live streaming and audio stream. 651 00:41:05,789 --> 00:41:11,579 So those are podcasters, making, taking the step into towards the 652 00:41:11,579 --> 00:41:14,459 middle. Yes, they got one figure out once they get the right foot 653 00:41:14,459 --> 00:41:17,639 in podcasting, their left foot and live broadcasting. And then 654 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:23,009 and, and they have both. But then radio, as has been doing 655 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,889 the radio has been doing that for a while, like time shifting 656 00:41:25,889 --> 00:41:30,059 their shows as podcasts, but they don't maintain the live in 657 00:41:30,059 --> 00:41:33,809 app experience. But where's Where's a podcaster? That goes 658 00:41:33,809 --> 00:41:37,829 live. They have their time shifted podcast show up in the 659 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:41,819 feed later. But they they still have an in app live experience. 660 00:41:41,819 --> 00:41:46,169 Whereas radio, their live is only on a broadcast medium. And 661 00:41:46,169 --> 00:41:49,619 their podcast shows. So there's this disconnect there. Whereas 662 00:41:49,769 --> 00:41:54,479 like, I'll just explain, like the vision I have is in app, 663 00:41:54,509 --> 00:41:59,459 let's just say in any podcast app, you, you go and you say I 664 00:41:59,459 --> 00:42:02,459 want to listen to this radio show. And you go you go to the 665 00:42:02,459 --> 00:42:06,719 radio show it let's just say it's me, see 100 Blah, blah, 666 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:12,089 blah, you go to that podcast. And you see all of the previous 667 00:42:12,089 --> 00:42:15,329 shows just like a regular podcast that have finished for 668 00:42:15,329 --> 00:42:18,899 the day. And then at the top though, you have live and you if 669 00:42:18,899 --> 00:42:22,109 you want to listen live, you hit live and Listen Live. If you 670 00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:24,899 don't you just consume it as a normal podcasts. 671 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,510 But okay, you've just helped me form the actual definition in 672 00:42:30,510 --> 00:42:34,230 the context of how I've always used it, and many people use it 673 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:37,290 successfully, and have been doing this for four decades, 674 00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:41,520 almost. But certainly more than 10 years. Live is for the live 675 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,080 studio audience. It's not a replacement. It is where people 676 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,390 who were a part of the creation of the show. That's that's what 677 00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:55,200 the live thing is for. Yeah, I've never seen I've never, I do 678 00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,780 not see any world where people transition from, you know, you 679 00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,540 add a live stream to your podcast and people stop 680 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:06,390 downloading. That's not how it happens, those people become 681 00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:10,080 part of the show. And whether you like it or not, because 682 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,930 they'll be emailing you during the show, there'll be text 683 00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:15,840 messaging you, they'll be sending you shit on Telegram, it 684 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,000 doesn't matter if you have a chat room or not, they're going 685 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,340 to find ways to send messages back to you. That's my 686 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:23,730 experience. And that's that's the part that that the whole 687 00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:27,060 discussion is missed is what exactly are we doing here? And 688 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:30,480 it's, it's satisfying, I believe. And I think Dave, we're 689 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,080 on the same page, a new cat because I came from radio, 690 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,230 remember. So this is how what I know to do now now we have this 691 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:41,910 whole slew of very professional talent, who are having to morph 692 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:47,220 their entire skill set into a nonlinear system, which is very 693 00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:49,350 different because you're not rushed to hit the top of the 694 00:43:49,350 --> 00:43:52,500 hour or the commercial break or whatever it is. And now you have 695 00:43:52,530 --> 00:43:55,110 infinite ways to interact with the audience and you have the 696 00:43:55,110 --> 00:44:00,570 time to do it. And this, to me is is a has a very big future 697 00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,240 for the talent that's out there that's looking to differentiate 698 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,970 themselves with a live studio audience. 699 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:09,840 Yeah, it's like the wait, wait, don't tell me. Yes, yes, yes. 700 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,190 Yes. Very good example. 701 00:44:11,849 --> 00:44:16,739 Yeah. Thinking Albertus, you're you're now an honorary member of 702 00:44:16,739 --> 00:44:18,899 the live sub committee. 703 00:44:18,929 --> 00:44:22,199 Yes. where decisions are made? Yes. 704 00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:26,940 Yeah. I was. I was listening and I agree with the, you know, with 705 00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:31,500 the fact that the format's are very different. So the way you, 706 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,370 you, you craft the content that doesn't necessarily coincide. 707 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,550 That's great. For me, that's one level of the conversation. But 708 00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:42,030 if I step back, and I take it from a different standpoint, 709 00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:46,320 just in terms of products, and adoption, what blew my mind when 710 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,030 I saw live item was just one thing. I thought, if this is 711 00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:55,290 adopted, this is the only tag that if adopted, then is going 712 00:44:55,290 --> 00:45:00,900 to be tightly intertwining radio streams, live streams. podcasts. 713 00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:04,680 So podcast apps are going to support the radio streams. And 714 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,190 so radio streaming apps are going to most likely. So the 715 00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:12,990 step to support podcast is going to be shorter possible. So and 716 00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:17,220 this would contribute to the adoption of metadata from Point 717 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:20,400 A to Point Oh, so that's how I saw it from the product 718 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:22,920 perspective. On the one hand, there is the former the medium, 719 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,830 that's great, absolutely. But if America Gnostic to that, and is 720 00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:28,950 think about adaptability, I think this is a great 721 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:34,050 opportunity to really intertwine and pair radio streams with 722 00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:37,200 podcasting and basically reach a larger audience. 723 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,029 Right, and do that at the protocol level. Correct. And not 724 00:45:42,029 --> 00:45:44,399 anything else? Because that I think that ultimately, is the 725 00:45:44,399 --> 00:45:49,679 discussion on GitHub, and the discussion is, well, we should 726 00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,669 also just point to the life page where someone is streaming on 727 00:45:53,669 --> 00:45:56,759 YouTube. Like, that makes no sense to me. That's, that's 728 00:45:56,759 --> 00:46:02,249 yeah, I want to talk about that. So. So here was the idea, in 729 00:46:02,549 --> 00:46:06,899 part part of what is the problem here is that the live item was, 730 00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:10,919 was up there for months. And nobody commented on it until it 731 00:46:10,919 --> 00:46:13,829 got into it got finalized. And now everybody has a flurry of 732 00:46:13,919 --> 00:46:19,919 comments, which is, which is, you know, annoying. But, but, so 733 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,579 mean. So, here's, here's the way I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna 734 00:46:23,579 --> 00:46:29,069 start first principles here and then build up. Some live item is 735 00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:33,149 semantically meant to be equivalent. With an item. 736 00:46:35,759 --> 00:46:39,869 Period. That's, that's what it is designed to be. It is it is 737 00:46:39,869 --> 00:46:44,009 the live equivalent of an item. So that may and it has to be 738 00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:44,489 met, it has 739 00:46:44,490 --> 00:46:50,220 to be valid, a valid datatype. For an item 740 00:46:50,670 --> 00:46:55,650 it needs to do it needs to funk function for live streams, the 741 00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:59,940 same way that an item functions for episode got it first podcast 742 00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:03,570 episodes got it. And one of the basics. And so therefore, 743 00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:09,720 default, as is, it needs to be self contained. That means it 744 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,130 needs to deliver the content. The content needs to be 745 00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:18,510 delivered to the app, not the app just pointing to some other 746 00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:21,450 place, right to launch another app. Yeah, 747 00:47:21,449 --> 00:47:25,529 this is an ingest just like you're ingesting an mp3 with 748 00:47:25,529 --> 00:47:28,559 show notes with other other data. Okay. 749 00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:34,200 Right. We're building we're building a podcast in 2.0. open 750 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,160 source communities building is open, decentralized systems 751 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:42,030 built on RSS, we're not we're not a trade group or trade 752 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:45,420 association for podcasters. We're not trying to make we're 753 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:48,900 not the IAB we're not trying to make somehow make their, you 754 00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,920 know, products do specific things. We're, we're trying to 755 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,420 build open systems that allow this stuff to function in a 756 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,560 specific way. That 757 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,050 sounds very cultish to me. Dave Jones does 758 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:10,740 well. So the light as written a live item, it does it, it does 759 00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:14,130 the job it was designed to do, which is what I just laid out. 760 00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:17,910 It delivers content in the app 761 00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:21,330 for the app was added to render any way the app 762 00:48:21,659 --> 00:48:25,889 chooses. Yes. And so this is it, you can look at a different 763 00:48:25,889 --> 00:48:30,389 differentiator. You can look at it very, very similarly to, to 764 00:48:30,389 --> 00:48:34,379 the social to comments and social tag. The social tag by 765 00:48:34,379 --> 00:48:38,759 design is meant to render comments and discussions in the 766 00:48:38,759 --> 00:48:41,789 app. That's what we're, that's what we're building it for. 767 00:48:42,149 --> 00:48:46,469 We're building it as a con as a content delivery mechanism to 768 00:48:46,469 --> 00:48:47,189 the app. 769 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:53,729 We're so far in pod friend works, at least that the the 770 00:48:53,729 --> 00:48:56,459 reception side, there's no interaction, but you can see and 771 00:48:56,459 --> 00:48:58,709 there's a lot of interaction because I do it. I know agenda 772 00:48:58,709 --> 00:48:59,219 social. 773 00:48:59,940 --> 00:49:04,470 So it's cool. That's, that's where we're at. That's the 774 00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:06,840 bottom line for it at the moment. Now there's this 775 00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:12,270 discussion that has emerged that says, okay, that means and I'm 776 00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:17,310 going to try to, you know, express the pushback in a in a 777 00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,250 generous way that I think is is what people are trying to say, 778 00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:24,990 which is that means that some podcaster has to go build a nice 779 00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:27,870 cast server or do some other infrastructure change and that's 780 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:30,690 that's a lot of work and we want to meet them where they're at on 781 00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:35,610 YouTube or any of these other things. Okay, that that is a 782 00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:42,900 valid thing and I'm totally understand it. That's not that 783 00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:47,700 is a different thing to ask for. And so that what is being asked 784 00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:52,050 for there is a notification system. Yeah, is we're asking it 785 00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:55,950 to do a new we're asking live item to do a new job. We're 786 00:49:55,950 --> 00:50:00,360 asking it to deliver links to content in other apps. and 787 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:09,300 services. Now that that needs a different tag that so the way 788 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,810 that I live item exists right now as it exists as a 789 00:50:12,810 --> 00:50:16,500 notification to the app that there's live content available. 790 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:20,190 And inside the live item, you have either enclosure or 791 00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:23,430 alternate enclosure, which notifies the app that here's 792 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:27,570 where you can find the content to begin to, to play in the app. 793 00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:31,710 If we want the live item, and I'm, again, I'll say I'm fine 794 00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:35,400 with this, if we want the live item to also be able to deliver 795 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,100 links to content on other apps and websites, we need a new tag, 796 00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:46,860 something like external or content link or external link, 797 00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:51,690 some other tag that can also be put into the live item. That is 798 00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:56,640 just a link a semantically appropriate link to the content 799 00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:59,940 on the other app or platform. That's the proper way to do 800 00:50:59,940 --> 00:51:00,450 this. 801 00:51:00,869 --> 00:51:04,319 We did the equivalent of a funding tag, basically just a 802 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:07,979 link to, to whatever that would be Yeah, 803 00:51:08,429 --> 00:51:11,219 you could make the same argument with social and with with with 804 00:51:11,219 --> 00:51:14,159 comments tag, you can say, okay, by design, this is meant to 805 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,499 deliver activity, pub, or other or matrix or some other 806 00:51:19,799 --> 00:51:25,019 protocol, wire level content to the app. But if we have this 807 00:51:25,019 --> 00:51:28,349 thing called, you know, whatever it might be content link, or 808 00:51:28,349 --> 00:51:32,699 this other tag, we can also put that into the social tag, and 809 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:37,079 say, Okay, here's a link to my twitter thread. And then the 810 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,349 app, if it wants to choose is to honor this, it could launch 811 00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:46,169 Twitter. But we don't want to build the social tag, or the 812 00:51:46,169 --> 00:51:50,429 live item tag around the notion that this is going to be 813 00:51:50,429 --> 00:51:54,689 delivering links to other content, because that's not what 814 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:59,099 it is designed to do. It can be made to do that. But if we're 815 00:51:59,099 --> 00:52:02,069 going to make it do that, we need to do it the right way. But 816 00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:07,289 giving it the correct semantically appropriate tag to 817 00:52:07,289 --> 00:52:08,099 go into it. 818 00:52:08,429 --> 00:52:11,909 One question, and then we'll see if our guests are still alive. 819 00:52:13,469 --> 00:52:17,429 That was very clear. Appreciate it. So how does this differ from 820 00:52:17,429 --> 00:52:23,069 say, the media tag, if I was going to put a PDF in my as my 821 00:52:23,069 --> 00:52:27,989 enclosure is that that doesn't have any description and doesn't 822 00:52:27,989 --> 00:52:31,499 say anything about how it should be rendered. It's just a piece 823 00:52:31,499 --> 00:52:35,639 of media, it has the same metadata in the item. And then 824 00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,639 it's up to the app where there knows how to render that or not 825 00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:41,339 that particular media file, how is that different from the live 826 00:52:41,339 --> 00:52:44,519 tags that purely the notification or the timestamp 827 00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:45,179 that's in there? 828 00:52:45,809 --> 00:52:49,589 Well, lot, the notion of something being live needs other 829 00:52:49,739 --> 00:52:53,609 needs other attributes that that okay, I got that one got the I 830 00:52:53,609 --> 00:53:01,229 got it live start time, stat. Yeah. And so the the idea here 831 00:53:01,229 --> 00:53:06,269 is that we can make this work. But we don't, we really, really 832 00:53:06,269 --> 00:53:09,599 don't want to start shoving this stuff into something like the 833 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,609 link tag. It's just not it's not what it's meant for. We want it 834 00:53:14,609 --> 00:53:18,989 we want to do this right. And, and in order to do it that way. 835 00:53:19,709 --> 00:53:22,559 There's a couple that we need to do it technically, right, which 836 00:53:22,589 --> 00:53:27,599 which is going to require a new tag. or, excuse me, excuse me. 837 00:53:27,629 --> 00:53:32,609 And we also have to be cognizant of the fact that if we're 838 00:53:32,609 --> 00:53:35,009 looking at app adoption, and I want to get your opinion on 839 00:53:35,009 --> 00:53:40,139 this, Elberta, if we're looking for app adoption here on all 840 00:53:40,139 --> 00:53:44,189 these tags, clearly we are that's the whole point. If I 841 00:53:44,189 --> 00:53:48,809 tell an app like it, well, let me let me flesh this a little 842 00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:53,849 bit further. If we want adoption from all apps, we don't want 843 00:53:53,849 --> 00:53:59,939 podcasting 2.0 tags to just be adopted by pod verse and, and 844 00:53:59,939 --> 00:54:04,649 pod friend and cast ematic and pure Val caster, we don't want 845 00:54:04,649 --> 00:54:08,939 that we want these tags to be adopted by Spotify, Apple, 846 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,189 Amazon music, we want these all to be adopted across the entire 847 00:54:14,189 --> 00:54:19,379 podcast industry. Now imagine that your Did you are delivering 848 00:54:19,649 --> 00:54:24,659 links into a live in live item in the podcasts or puts in 849 00:54:24,659 --> 00:54:28,739 there? Okay, here's my live item in its it's just simply a link 850 00:54:28,739 --> 00:54:34,649 to Facebook. That is something that Apple podcasts will never, 851 00:54:34,859 --> 00:54:38,219 they're never going to just have a link there that launches 852 00:54:38,219 --> 00:54:40,319 Facebook for you out of their app. 853 00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:45,480 Yes, I mean, they'll put it behind a walled garden for only 854 00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:49,470 their own app. So in other words, if if I had that tag and 855 00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:52,380 I was parsing it, I would say okay, you've got to like pay 856 00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:56,340 extra for the Apple iTunes app to get this functionality for 857 00:54:56,340 --> 00:55:00,240 these podcasters Yeah, I don't see it being adopted as kind of 858 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,010 like a open source, at least on the big guys. I mean, I could be 859 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,800 wrong. And it would be nice if I were but but one 860 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,950 of the one of the use case, one of those like example scenarios 861 00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:15,180 was, what about Joe Rogan? What about your somebody's gonna 862 00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:18,390 listen to the Joe Rogan podcast, but it's over here on Spotify, 863 00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:23,820 streaming live or whatever. I mean, app, Apple podcast is 864 00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:26,730 never going to launch the Spotify app for you so that you 865 00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:30,000 can listen to Jim okay. Yeah, they don't link out. It's not 866 00:55:30,090 --> 00:55:34,590 No, no, they'll never they'll never adopt this. And so, I 867 00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:37,740 don't know, there's a 10. There's a technical issue here 868 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:40,500 that I think can be solved. If and I think it can be solved 869 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:45,120 very quickly, by just having an external content tag. It can be 870 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,270 put in there. But then there's also this practical idea that I 871 00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:54,060 see this being a real adoption, head adoption. Like just no go. 872 00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,310 May you 873 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:58,320 mean, no, go? 874 00:55:58,740 --> 00:56:03,060 Like, what you're saying is if is if we want these bigger apps 875 00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:05,910 to launch, to some how long? No, we 876 00:56:05,909 --> 00:56:11,579 don't know, I think it's clear. And I think that this is a great 877 00:56:11,579 --> 00:56:14,039 way to get the namespace adopted, because I do think 878 00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,289 radio stations will say, Oh, wait, we can get our streaming 879 00:56:16,289 --> 00:56:20,279 those apps. And let's, let's make sure we add to the 880 00:56:20,279 --> 00:56:24,149 namespace with that at least the LIVE TAG to to our feeds, 881 00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:30,090 I would never expect I would never, I would never expect an 882 00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:35,880 app to launch another app so that you can hear or see your 883 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,930 content. I wouldn't expect that, you know, you're gonna 884 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,830 know they've here I agree with you regarding semantics. But I'm 885 00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:47,430 not so concerned, because I think that this is a matter of 886 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:52,020 having all hosting companies or the companies that produce the 887 00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:58,110 RSS feed aligned, yeah. So that you have the link, for a link. 888 00:56:58,110 --> 00:57:01,350 So semantically speaking, it makes no sense in the live item 889 00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:04,500 tag. So that's what I'm saying. It doesn't concern me, if we all 890 00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:08,910 agree on following the namespace. This cannot happen. I 891 00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:13,680 understand the conversation be on GitHub, but it makes a lot of 892 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,130 sense to have to have a real live stream URL there, not a 893 00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:20,730 website, for example, or a YouTube page. And this is must, 894 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,000 must be enforced by the hosting companies. And then when there 895 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:30,750 is a high adoption of a certain tag, bigger companies and or 896 00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:34,230 players like Spotify, they're gonna start to notice and 897 00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:36,480 hopefully, they're going to start to implement them, because 898 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,420 it's big, simply because they have a higher adoption. 899 00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:43,740 You know, what's really cool is that we have no agenda stream. 900 00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:49,770 And so there's, there must be at least 15 live shows. And so now 901 00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:53,220 they can, and they have, but they also have podcast. So now 902 00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:57,720 they can all individually use the same URL, notify, hey, we're 903 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,500 live at this point. I mean, this is this is, it's just gonna be 904 00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,960 really groundbreaking stuff where a couple of you know, 905 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,250 that's now you have the essence of a Podcast Network. Because 906 00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:10,770 they're literally connected by the same stream, it's a lot of 907 00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:14,010 this stuff that I think is going to be very surprising once we 908 00:58:14,010 --> 00:58:17,760 get it in. And you're right. And we need that for this has always 909 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,450 been the thing hosting companies, we have about four or 910 00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:24,750 five, who are really implementing tags as they go and 911 00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:27,210 as the demand from because everyone has slightly different 912 00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:31,560 users, or maybe wildly different users. And we're building this 913 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,760 is a slow a slow process. You know, I saw it in 1.0. It just 914 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,480 takes time. 915 00:58:37,289 --> 00:58:42,509 Yeah, I did want to bring that up is that, you know, the day to 916 00:58:42,509 --> 00:58:45,359 day on these things and what I was reading on the mastodon, 917 00:58:45,539 --> 00:58:51,899 it's pretty easy to lose kind of a higher level viewpoint of what 918 00:58:51,899 --> 00:58:55,739 you guys accomplished. As a group. I mean, everybody on that 919 00:58:55,739 --> 00:58:59,969 Mastodon chat that I'm that I'm reading, everybody has produced 920 00:58:59,999 --> 00:59:04,019 an amazing advancement for podcasting. And so yes, 921 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:08,219 regardless of how the day to day goes on this particular tag at 922 00:59:08,219 --> 00:59:11,999 this particular time, kind of, we should not let that get lost 923 00:59:11,999 --> 00:59:14,309 into the miraculous achievement that this 924 00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:17,490 is yeah. Thank you. You 925 00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:22,020 know, I that's what I go back to. And that's why we love you 926 00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:25,740 know, especially when the bat signal went out. Bobby said 927 00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:30,930 public funding, yeah, the sad, we're happy, we're happy to, to 928 00:59:30,930 --> 00:59:35,760 jump in because we we, we have not lost sight of, of what 929 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,290 everybody has contributed to doing. I mean, you know, I tell 930 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:43,680 you this apple would not be hosting any content, any podcast 931 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,210 content had the podcast index not come about now that you 932 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:51,090 check, like that's a huge, you know, multi trillion dollar 933 00:59:51,090 --> 00:59:53,670 company that changed their approach to this particular 934 00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:57,090 medium, simply because that small piece jumped in. Was that 935 00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:59,970 a good or bad thing? I don't care. It's like a massive 936 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,220 improvement, like it changed the landscape. And so I, you know, 937 01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:09,090 Alberto and I are, you know, we're we're in the same boat 938 01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:12,750 that the day to day can kind of cloud the focus or cloud the 939 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,020 overall vision but don't don't lose sight of what what's there 940 01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:17,100 and what everybody's done. 941 01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:21,330 Yeah, and I don't you know, we we've been, me and Adam both 942 01:00:21,330 --> 01:00:24,030 been part of multiple open source projects in the past and 943 01:00:24,270 --> 01:00:28,260 the day to day flame wars come and go and everything and I have 944 01:00:28,620 --> 01:00:31,590 a very thick skin. I mean, people can, you know, say what, 945 01:00:31,590 --> 01:00:34,980 it's also very healthy. This is, this is very good. This is the 946 01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,280 shit you can't do in a corporate environment. You can't piss 947 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,180 people off. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. So I've always 948 01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:46,020 said that just looking at the productivity of the group. If 949 01:00:46,020 --> 01:00:49,860 you could even afford this group, because it's quite large, 950 01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:52,380 you would never get the productivity never get the 951 01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:56,190 thinking. And in general, everyone's actually much more 952 01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:59,010 honest and courteous towards each other, even though we get 953 01:00:59,010 --> 01:01:03,210 flame wars and stuff. But it's really fantastic. And this 954 01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:06,060 format, I think the mastodon format has a lot to do with it. 955 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,660 Because it's not like an email list is not what you know, shit 956 01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:13,890 scrolls off. Like that. Some other thing going on. Let me see 957 01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,140 what that is. And you lose interest, which is good. That's 958 01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:18,750 how it should be is done. It's in the timeline. You don't want 959 01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:19,410 to go back to it. 960 01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:23,579 Yeah, I think I think in the ultimately. So I think we can, I 961 01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:28,979 think we can absolutely deliver what's being asked for. We just, 962 01:01:29,429 --> 01:01:34,439 we just need to do it in a in a well thought out way. And I 963 01:01:34,439 --> 01:01:37,649 don't think it will take long, I think it's a very easy thing to 964 01:01:37,649 --> 01:01:41,039 implement, as I do think we can do what's being asked for, I 965 01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,039 just want to make sure that we don't do it in we don't try to 966 01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:45,809 like shoehorn something in and I give 967 01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:50,639 away. Also, this is a very good group effort and practice for 968 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:54,329 comments. Because we have similar problems with with the 969 01:01:54,329 --> 01:01:57,359 comments tag that we have here. They although I think it's much 970 01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:01,499 more complicated. So getting through this as a group and all 971 01:02:01,499 --> 01:02:03,749 agreeing and figuring it out, I think is going to be good for 972 01:02:03,749 --> 01:02:05,789 us. This will really help with the next steps. 973 01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:08,610 Yeah, I think comments. There's been, you know, a lot of 974 01:02:08,610 --> 01:02:11,490 questions about comments lately, I think it is, I continue to say 975 01:02:11,490 --> 01:02:14,460 it is the most difficult tag we're ever going to do as a 976 01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:19,770 group. Because there's so many moving parts the live compared 977 01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:23,010 to live item, it's way harder, because they look at look at 978 01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:25,950 Daniel J. Lewis, his post, he's like, here's the 15 things we 979 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,460 need for comments. You're essentially rebuilding Twitter. 980 01:02:33,269 --> 01:02:36,119 What I think ties this all together, and I really want to 981 01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:41,159 talk to Roberto and Ben about this is a piece of technology 982 01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:45,239 that kind of dropped out of the bottom of podcasting 2.0. And 983 01:02:45,269 --> 01:02:49,649 the more I look at it, the more beauty I see in it, and how it 984 01:02:49,649 --> 01:02:54,689 can really tie everybody big and small together. And that's pod 985 01:02:54,689 --> 01:02:59,429 ping. I mean, pod ping is so powerful that I know that I 986 01:02:59,429 --> 01:03:01,679 could start a consulting business and I could build a 987 01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,269 database of a large portion, at least of all active feeds, I 988 01:03:06,269 --> 01:03:09,479 know exactly when they're updating, I could build a 989 01:03:09,479 --> 01:03:14,969 podcast app just using pod ping, just using pod ping, you know, 990 01:03:14,969 --> 01:03:20,099 and like a supplementary search. And this, this notifier I think 991 01:03:20,099 --> 01:03:26,009 is so powerful. Roberto, how do you see this? 992 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:33,090 I fully agree and I'm very surprised that botting is not 993 01:03:33,090 --> 01:03:38,910 been adopted yet by Austin companies. Right? I believe I 994 01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:42,240 was speaking with Dave a few months ago, they were talking 995 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:48,330 about the last update right in an RSS feed the last update and 996 01:03:48,330 --> 01:03:53,250 putting solves so many problems at the same times. And it can 997 01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:56,430 allow for example for the live stream to notify when the stream 998 01:03:56,490 --> 01:04:01,170 is starting. But also you can literally like a Pub Sub hub 999 01:04:01,830 --> 01:04:06,360 send a ping on where when when when anything in our RSS feed so 1000 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,010 instead of scraping Yes, we have major companies scraping our 1001 01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:17,940 feeds 10s of 1000s of times per minute right so that to solve 1002 01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:22,020 all the problems so long story short, it should be mandatory if 1003 01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:23,970 we could have a low 1004 01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:27,030 and also I would do that you know what so let me just say 1005 01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:32,790 this Apple Apple Listen to me Apple no one will know no one 1006 01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:36,720 has any way of knowing that if you use pod ping there's no 1007 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,410 technical way for anybody to know that you're doing it it's 1008 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,040 okay no one can narc on you that you're cheating with the open 1009 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,420 source guys. We know they not already do we don't we don't 1010 01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:52,170 they might be do it. Do it. Everybody should be doing this a 1011 01:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,710 better you're so right mandatory. And it's it is a it 1012 01:04:55,710 --> 01:05:00,480 is. It is like the first kind of web three blockchain Neve 1013 01:05:00,990 --> 01:05:05,820 bruster Brian of London chapeau. Ba my hat's off to you. Because 1014 01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:09,570 what it's just a beautiful, beautiful piece of technology 1015 01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:14,700 that can live forever. And it truly can be the backbone of 1016 01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,730 podcasting. When no one owns 1017 01:05:17,849 --> 01:05:20,279 a large company, any large company with any sort of 1018 01:05:20,279 --> 01:05:22,559 environmental initiatives, and they're right, 1019 01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:24,869 they should be doing this. Yes. Yeah, 1020 01:05:24,899 --> 01:05:27,809 they should be doing this. We need to see ESG beta meeting. 1021 01:05:27,809 --> 01:05:28,049 Yeah, we 1022 01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:31,920 didn't ESG pitch on this, like, Hey, this is this is it? Yes. 1023 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,640 Yeah. I think you can make a case that you can improve your 1024 01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:42,150 ESG score by not scraping 10,000 times a minute. It's just wasted 1025 01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:43,740 resources, you know, 1026 01:05:43,769 --> 01:05:48,599 correct. Yes, GMA plus there is the added value in the morning, 1027 01:05:48,899 --> 01:05:51,569 drinking a coffee while watching the PA just 1028 01:05:51,570 --> 01:05:54,900 the sexiest thing ever. I do it to like, Boom, look at that. 1029 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,750 Look at that. Look at that. Oh, that's an interesting podcast. 1030 01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:58,470 Yeah, 1031 01:05:58,620 --> 01:06:00,120 on the pod thing, front alley, that's 1032 01:06:00,449 --> 01:06:03,389 being done. Watch everybody pod ping Dot Watch. If you want to 1033 01:06:03,389 --> 01:06:03,959 see that. 1034 01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:06,930 Alex and Brian are currently hard at work I'm seeing they're 1035 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,130 they're, they're merging pull requests, like, like mad. There. 1036 01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:17,460 They are upgrading piping to the next iteration that will support 1037 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,750 reason codes. And so what does that mean? In the future, you'll 1038 01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:27,300 be able to read now all you get is a feed URL, something has it 1039 01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:29,850 changed? In the future? You're gonna you're gonna know what 1040 01:06:29,850 --> 01:06:31,800 changed or why. Yes? 1041 01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:34,170 Oh, what element changed? 1042 01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,829 Yeah. You're not necessarily what element but what why did it 1043 01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:40,739 change? So you're just gonna, there's gonna be like, well 1044 01:06:40,739 --> 01:06:43,349 live, you know, this, this feed just went live? 1045 01:06:43,409 --> 01:06:47,909 Ah, oh, and what is it? What is it? What does it drag that data 1046 01:06:47,909 --> 01:06:51,989 from just by knowing what's happening or because something 1047 01:06:51,989 --> 01:06:52,979 is added or 1048 01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:57,270 whatever the input is? So if you had a, you know, if you're, if 1049 01:06:57,270 --> 01:07:02,310 you have a live stream, and then you can send along that that 1050 01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:06,360 reason code with it, and say, Okay, now the status, the live 1051 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,950 status has changed for people 1052 01:07:07,949 --> 01:07:12,839 wanting to investigate what is their GitHub is our spot for the 1053 01:07:12,899 --> 01:07:13,919 for the pod ping? 1054 01:07:15,059 --> 01:07:17,639 There is bit odd, put it in the show notes, because it's too 1055 01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:22,289 long to kind of read out. And there's this, there's this 1056 01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:26,279 other, I don't know where we are timewise. But there's, you know, 1057 01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:30,149 something else happened? Is I deleted a whole bunch of anchor 1058 01:07:30,149 --> 01:07:33,509 feeds. They're not deleted, but that marked them put them in the 1059 01:07:33,509 --> 01:07:37,379 graveyard. In the graveyard? Yes, a tombstone them. And this 1060 01:07:37,379 --> 01:07:40,889 would be interesting to ask from a hosting company perspective. 1061 01:07:41,759 --> 01:07:46,259 So here, here's what I ended up eliminating from the index 1062 01:07:46,259 --> 01:07:55,079 296,000 feeds. These feeds, the criteria was, they have two 1063 01:07:55,079 --> 01:08:02,339 episodes or less. And the total con, the total length of the 1064 01:08:02,339 --> 01:08:06,539 enclosure, within any episode was less than three minutes 1065 01:08:06,539 --> 01:08:12,419 long. So if it met those criteria, if nothing if it 1066 01:08:12,419 --> 01:08:15,029 basically if it if they had no more than three minutes of 1067 01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:19,949 content and less than three episodes, it was removed. 1068 01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,150 Was there a date on that day? I mean, did you? 1069 01:08:24,299 --> 01:08:28,889 Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Yeah. Also a date? Yes. If it had not been 1070 01:08:28,889 --> 01:08:34,859 updated in the if there's no new items published in a year. So so 1071 01:08:34,889 --> 01:08:38,369 two minute to two episodes or less, less than three minutes 1072 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,819 not updated in a year? And also the last piece? glad you 1073 01:08:41,819 --> 01:08:47,129 mentioned that. No, iTunes ID. Yeah. So he met all those 1074 01:08:47,129 --> 01:08:47,669 criteria? 1075 01:08:48,210 --> 01:08:53,640 Yeah, I mean, those criteria, Dave, you basically are very 1076 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,290 aligned with the internal quality filter we used to have, 1077 01:08:58,590 --> 01:09:01,830 which was like decision tree. And it was very similar. 1078 01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:05,490 monistic quality filter, it means that when we submit a 1079 01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:08,850 show, or in our community, for example, we have a community 1080 01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:14,820 page, where we showcase our podcasts and our users and our 1081 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:20,190 end, we always have we at the beginning, we had a mix of 1082 01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:24,180 duration, number of episodes, right? And then we started to 1083 01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:28,770 add a bit of machine learning in order to make sure that we could 1084 01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:34,650 capture also the short episodes that actually were quality 1085 01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:37,590 episodes, but the format was very, very, there was a big 1086 01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:40,710 delta between the format or the average format and those 1087 01:09:40,710 --> 01:09:42,990 formats, which are very little but the long story short, is 1088 01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:48,000 that you did very well to remove those feeds because 99% of the 1089 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,660 times they are not quality, they actually are not sure it's most 1090 01:09:51,660 --> 01:09:53,610 of the times I guess their tastes. 1091 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,680 Yes, that's okay. So I'm glad to hear you say that because I was 1092 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,640 thinking about this again. I had a lot of time to think about 1093 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,850 sort of the prac, the technical, practical side of this and the 1094 01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:10,860 philosophical side of this, because this is not really, this 1095 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:15,300 is not really trying to purge based on content. It's not what 1096 01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:20,040 this is not, you're not purging on what it's about your purging 1097 01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,280 on whether or not it meets a minimum level of listening 1098 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:29,520 ability. Like, is, is this content? What there? There's the 1099 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,800 quote, okay, so there's the question of the technical 1100 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,770 definition of what is a podcast? Okay, well, it's a, it's an RSS 1101 01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:39,720 feed that references an audio content or video content. But 1102 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,380 then there's the philosophical question of what a podcast is. 1103 01:10:43,890 --> 01:10:49,380 And that question is its, it has to meet a certain it has to have 1104 01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:55,740 a certain level of, of listener listen ability, or, or content 1105 01:10:55,740 --> 01:10:58,800 in it, that people would recognize as something as some 1106 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,570 sort of communication. That is, you know what I mean? Literally, 1107 01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:07,290 I could pay for I could play for y'all dozens and dozens of 1108 01:11:07,290 --> 01:11:10,320 things, where it's just some Doosan Hey, hey, alright. And 1109 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,180 that's it. It's the only thing. I don't want to get into these. 1110 01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:18,300 What I'm trying to say is it doesn't it doesn't feel like I'm 1111 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,210 getting rid of these 300,000 fees did not seem like 1112 01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:27,000 editorializing to me. It seemed like a clean like a technical 1113 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,470 cleanup exercise. 1114 01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:34,830 Yeah, exactly. The way I see I see the is like spam. Right? So 1115 01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:40,950 you, yes, yes, you probably capture 99.5% of the non quality 1116 01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:45,690 non real podcasts non real shows, then there are some false 1117 01:11:45,690 --> 01:11:48,630 positives. But is it similar to what happened especially at the 1118 01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:51,210 very beginning with spam filters, right, where you have 1119 01:11:51,210 --> 01:11:54,060 to train them and you improve your, your approach? Let's say 1120 01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,610 that your approach is very manual, which is perfect, 1121 01:11:56,610 --> 01:11:59,760 because it captures most of the distribution, let's say, of 1122 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,630 shows that don't fit those criteria. But but that's a 1123 01:12:03,630 --> 01:12:06,330 start. So I wouldn't see it as editorial we had the same 1124 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,990 conundrum. Yes, no, do we delete them? Do we? What are we gonna 1125 01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:12,870 do? Some of them were paying? And we had to like, Wait, 1126 01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:16,980 basically cancel the steps. But what are we going to do? So? 1127 01:12:17,010 --> 01:12:20,310 Yeah, it's an interesting philosophical problem, but I 1128 01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:21,840 like, technical approach. 1129 01:12:21,899 --> 01:12:25,679 Yeah, I like the idea of bertos offering there, Dave is, is not 1130 01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:28,049 first of all, if you don't qualify it as if you don't call 1131 01:12:28,049 --> 01:12:32,759 that dead show, if you call it, you know, technical spam, or 1132 01:12:32,759 --> 01:12:34,739 something like that, you know, to spam and you're doing a 1133 01:12:34,739 --> 01:12:38,549 technical cleanup. And really, you know, at some point, people 1134 01:12:38,549 --> 01:12:42,719 should be able to, you know, claim their feed go in and mark 1135 01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:43,619 it is not spam. 1136 01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:48,870 Yeah, and well, there's an there's this, this notion of the 1137 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,740 Eat Sure, we want to have all of the podcast feeds in the in the 1138 01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:55,740 world, we want that. But at the same time, there's there are 1139 01:12:55,740 --> 01:12:59,700 practical limits. I mean, sure. We can't just, we couldn't have 1140 01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,340 like, let's just say 40 million podcasts. 1141 01:13:02,370 --> 01:13:05,070 Now you tell me what do you mean, we can't scale to that? 1142 01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:08,700 What are you talking about? Yes, we can. Don't ever say we can, 1143 01:13:08,730 --> 01:13:12,510 okay. Okay, we can't do that right now. Okay, this is it 1144 01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:20,940 today. And so, and I limited this to only anchor, because I 1145 01:13:20,940 --> 01:13:25,080 think anchor is uniquely positioned, technically 1146 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:30,390 speaking, to create to be a conduit for this sort of podcast 1147 01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:35,640 spam, because of what they are and how they function. This idea 1148 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,940 that you can just launch it from your phone, talking to your 1149 01:13:38,940 --> 01:13:41,220 phone, and you've got a podcast. 1150 01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:47,550 But I, I partially agree, sorry for interrupting. But I 1151 01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:51,330 partially agree because for example, we do have the free 1152 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:55,320 first episode. So all features everything, you just sign up no 1153 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,590 credit card. And when we launched that we had this, we 1154 01:13:58,590 --> 01:14:02,700 could see and observe that kind of conduct. But what we did was 1155 01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:05,910 building an app, basically, we have a spam engine. This is not 1156 01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:08,880 the quality filter is an engine that is based mostly on the 1157 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,030 description on the presence of the cover, but we have some 1158 01:14:12,030 --> 01:14:14,430 machine learning there. We have training there, and we trained 1159 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:18,990 from our internal CRM, whether the Spam is correct or not any 1160 01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:23,340 works for 98% accuracy region under the curve, which means 1161 01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:26,130 it's a good system, we actually have very little false 1162 01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:28,980 positives. So this could be prevented by anger if they 1163 01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:29,460 wanted. 1164 01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:35,910 Also, imagine the improvement in the ESG score. If we didn't have 1165 01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:41,220 stupid machines, pinging stupid shows 10,000 times a minute, 1166 01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:44,490 it's waste. It's It's warming the earth. 1167 01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,300 What do they call that thing that you get with a 401k? Or 1168 01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:52,980 like a like a mutual perspective, we need to develop 1169 01:14:52,980 --> 01:14:55,650 a perspective yes, we're the key 1170 01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,210 if someone out there is an ESG litigant, because that's What it 1171 01:15:00,210 --> 01:15:05,100 all is? Someone's a lawyer, and you need to someone needs to sue 1172 01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:10,650 apple and Spotify over this horrible Earth warming practice. 1173 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,830 Oh, it's hard to breathe. There's so much co2 Apple. 1174 01:15:16,020 --> 01:15:20,640 Well, I mean, I know he was, but there is there is some logical 1175 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,370 business sense behind doing this. It's it's not throwing 1176 01:15:23,370 --> 01:15:30,210 money away, you know? VSG the SG angle is a good one, I think, 1177 01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:32,850 because we all want to be wise stewards, but at the same time, 1178 01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:35,580 there's money being thrown away when they're running. Yeah, a 1179 01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:38,520 million servers out there pulling RSS feeds and then the 1180 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,330 hosts inkind have to have a million servers answering RSS 1181 01:15:42,330 --> 01:15:44,580 feeds. There's I 1182 01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,250 can tell you, I can tell you from what you're like the what 1183 01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:51,840 you're describing is completely accurate Ben because most you 1184 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,250 take a guy like Marco who has spent years developing his Algor 1185 01:15:56,250 --> 01:16:01,560 his feet checking algorithms and to where he can minimize the 1186 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,860 server usage because every dollar counts for his setup. But 1187 01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:08,130 then you have a company like Apple or some other company who 1188 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:12,540 just has so much money their answer to that is not is not 1189 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,290 optimize the algorithm their answer is throw 12 more servers 1190 01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:16,620 at it 1191 01:16:16,860 --> 01:16:20,070 but also look at the waste Facebook is producing with these 1192 01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:27,030 you know 512 K downloads on I mean, these these, these are ESG 1193 01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:29,400 score lowering maneuvers Facebook. 1194 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,650 Yeah, good. That's horrible. 1195 01:16:32,850 --> 01:16:36,300 So we thank some people or do we? Because we're running one 1196 01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,510 hour 60 Man, these guys are too much fun listening to you talk 1197 01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:39,720 day. 1198 01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,210 Okay, so practical question. We've got like a million 1199 01:16:45,450 --> 01:16:48,900 donation thanks to Ray do want to stick around or 1200 01:16:48,989 --> 01:16:51,059 Yeah, we love sticking around. This is my favorite part of the 1201 01:16:51,059 --> 01:16:51,509 show. 1202 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:54,690 Okay. All right. 1203 01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:59,460 And let's dig up to as I said blueberry and Chad Ferro for 1204 01:16:59,910 --> 01:17:03,270 boost booster gramming During the show, well done well done. 1205 01:17:03,809 --> 01:17:06,689 Yeah, we missed last week. So we got we've got like an extra week 1206 01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:09,839 of things are here with the now this is gonna be interesting. 1207 01:17:10,919 --> 01:17:18,419 Right off the bat. This is $270.64 from the from the guys 1208 01:17:18,449 --> 01:17:20,189 at antenna pod. Whoa. 1209 01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:26,130 Shakalaka 20 is Blaze. big baller. 1210 01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:32,070 Yeah, it's okay. So he he asked me to have you since he's Dutch. 1211 01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:37,050 He wants you to pronounce his name. Okay. Cohen, Glock got 1212 01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:38,280 back. Okay. 1213 01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:39,930 Oh, he Oh yeah. 1214 01:17:40,650 --> 01:17:46,680 GLOTZ b ACH. Ah, 1215 01:17:46,710 --> 01:17:49,560 this is a German isn't that doesn't sound Dutch. It's Kuhn. 1216 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,700 Kuhn is very Dutch. Okay. Klotzbach. 1217 01:17:55,470 --> 01:17:57,240 Okay, cool. Little 1218 01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:07,140 what you said sounded like barf bag in Dutch. It was very funny. 1219 01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:10,140 Khun barf bag everybody Yes. 1220 01:18:12,420 --> 01:18:18,960 Sorry for insulting the guy that is he says the antenna pod 1221 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,990 community decided to donate 250 euros for the podcast 1222 01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:24,810 and that is so cool. 1223 01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:27,360 Thank you guys. Yeah. 1224 01:18:28,380 --> 01:18:32,700 10 apart there of default install on a lot of a lot of 1225 01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:33,690 different systems. 1226 01:18:34,980 --> 01:18:39,480 They Yeah, they've they've really been pushing podcasting. 1227 01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:44,640 2.0 and then index they've been roiled that group. Yeah. Franco 1228 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:49,260 Celerio from cosmetic ease, gave us $100 Whoa, he says thank you 1229 01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:52,770 guys for revolutionising media time and time again. Thank you. 1230 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:59,730 Thank you. Thank you Franco. Franco, such a good guy. Okay, 1231 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,150 Kevin merit he sent us this is not a monetary donation. He he 1232 01:19:06,150 --> 01:19:10,260 bought he bought for us for you. He won the bid for the podcast 1233 01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:14,520 index. Domain. Top Level Domain on handshake 1234 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:19,320 is yeah, this is very interesting. Handshake. So it's 1235 01:19:19,740 --> 01:19:25,140 a blockchain based Domain Name System. So once you have it, and 1236 01:19:25,140 --> 01:19:28,200 you you still have to pay some kind of ongoing little fee into 1237 01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:33,420 the, into the, into the chain to maintain it. It's like all other 1238 01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:36,810 alternative DNS systems, you either are going to have to 1239 01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:42,540 modify your DNS settings, which of course centralizes it, or 1240 01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:46,470 there's some kind of app that you'll have to run alongside of 1241 01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:51,540 it. And that community with the community is doing is that it's 1242 01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:55,320 there. In essence, they are giving away shit coins, and I 1243 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,290 don't mean to degrade what they're trying to do. But this 1244 01:19:58,290 --> 01:20:02,010 is it's tokenized so this is like It's almost like a stealth 1245 01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:08,430 ICO. So I've received all of the Adam curry and no agenda. Domain 1246 01:20:08,430 --> 01:20:14,940 names. Dan it's all tied into ERC. 20 blockchain so you know 1247 01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,060 somehow that's going to be value I'm not I can just see it coming 1248 01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:20,400 down Broadway but they're they're out there spreading 1249 01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:26,490 these names which are, in essence alt coins masked. And 1250 01:20:26,490 --> 01:20:29,040 I'm not against it. I'm actually I've accepted the ones are about 1251 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,460 to accept the ones that we've received. And that's the current 1252 01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:35,370 value. And I'm sure they'll go up in value and it's like, it's 1253 01:20:35,370 --> 01:20:36,900 kind of NF T in a way. 1254 01:20:37,620 --> 01:20:41,730 Okay. Yes. Well, he gave he gave us he gifted us podcast index, 1255 01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:44,550 and I set up an account and accepted the gift. Oh, great. 1256 01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:47,460 Luck, it. Thank you. They did it looks like he did about 40 bucks 1257 01:20:47,460 --> 01:20:48,600 for it. So yeah, I'm 1258 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,310 telling you. It's like an NFT, bro. But it's done in a very 1259 01:20:53,310 --> 01:20:56,580 interesting way. But whenever I say that people get no no man. 1260 01:20:56,580 --> 01:20:59,130 We really want to have an alternative and DNS system. 1261 01:20:59,130 --> 01:21:03,360 Sure. Yeah, I want that to yeah, definitely make it easy for 1262 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,710 everybody and we're in business. 1263 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,660 And you see that with the dot eath domains to do them. Well. 1264 01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:16,530 Thank you, Kevin. See, Sammy Minkin as soon as $20.22 Thank 1265 01:21:16,530 --> 01:21:20,250 you Sammy. He says a Happy New Year Keep up the great work sir 1266 01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:29,160 Sammy. Let's see $20 From this, these are all PayPal donations. 1267 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:35,310 $20 from Christopher Valerio got gherardo G Banda mass energy a 1268 01:21:35,310 --> 01:21:37,290 jay AR do 1269 01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,430 Gerhardt guy yada yada doe Come on. 1270 01:21:41,460 --> 01:21:43,680 Save cheese guy yada. No, 1271 01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:45,240 I'm just I'm from Alabama. 1272 01:21:46,110 --> 01:21:49,530 I'm in Texas. Yeah, don't give me 1273 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:57,990 give us $20 Thank you Chris. Samuel Thorpe. Gave us $15 A 1274 01:21:57,990 --> 01:22:02,310 Samuel s Thorpe and no note on that Oh wait, no no no, there's 1275 01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:05,550 no I take it back. He just says a little value for value thank 1276 01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:07,740 you to Adam for pointing me in the right direction to get 1277 01:22:07,740 --> 01:22:17,400 started making my podcast 2.0 fr. Samuel Oh, oh, oh, eight by 1278 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:18,180 the way. I've got a new 1279 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:24,030 boost. I said Oh, yeah. Wait Is it this one don't 1280 01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:31,380 just found our boost? Yeah. You may have to jack up the volume. 1281 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:37,080 I didn't I didn't normalize it. See Francesco, Francesco Massey 1282 01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:46,080 Merlino gave us $10 A new note on that thank you Francesco. I 1283 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,380 guess Francesco is a boy and Francesca as a girl. Is that 1284 01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:49,950 typically how it 1285 01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,280 sounds about right? Okay. All right. 1286 01:22:53,970 --> 01:23:00,030 Okay, for the the resident linguists are fact checking us 1287 01:23:00,030 --> 01:23:05,760 in real right. That's right. Raymond land gave us $5 No note 1288 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,340 thank you. Thank you. And in the best name I've seen in a while. 1289 01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:18,180 J Robert Appleby Jr. against $5. Nice that sir. 1290 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:22,470 Thank you very much. Hey pal. Hey pal. Donors got fun coupons 1291 01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:23,280 very nice. 1292 01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:29,430 Guest histograms here. Okay. 1948 SATs from Brian of London. 1293 01:23:29,550 --> 01:23:32,520 Oh he says Happy New Years and have a great show thank you for 1294 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:39,480 everything so far is your cue to boost you know you want to know 1295 01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:44,940 that came from fountain Oh drips got 100,000 sets 1296 01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:50,970 Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's curious. 1297 01:23:52,170 --> 01:23:58,890 That's Mexican radio that's right. That came through curio 1298 01:23:58,890 --> 01:24:05,970 Casper and it says go podcasting. Yeah boost 1299 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,650 we just got a real time booster gram from let's see who did 1300 01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:14,100 that. No, that was for no agenda. 1301 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,470 It's just firing off all over the place. 1302 01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:21,060 Oh, there we go. Oh, the here's a here's 10,000 SATs from Dred 1303 01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:25,650 Scott during the show during the show just came in and he says go 1304 01:24:25,650 --> 01:24:26,820 podcasting booth 1305 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,820 See, this is why we got to do this. Okay, Chad, Pharaoh gave 1306 01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:39,630 us 333 says through fountain need you just as first? Okay. 1307 01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:45,480 Yeah. You were you were first in your first of the Chad pharaohs. 1308 01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:50,010 Dred Scott. Again 50,000 sets 1309 01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,060 totally crap. The Bruce Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 Ladies and 1310 01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:57,030 gentlemen, we have no idea where he gets his money from but we 1311 01:24:57,030 --> 01:25:00,990 think he's inherited it from the from him before Mr. Rockefeller 1312 01:25:00,990 --> 01:25:01,680 lineage 1313 01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,880 yet he said the Ross Ross Ross child probably 1314 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,630 Yeah, Warburg may dread Warburg that sounds sounds pretty good. 1315 01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:13,500 Through pod friend 50,000 Sassy says go podcasting. 1316 01:25:13,530 --> 01:25:15,840 Yes, of course we go podcasting For you 1317 01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:23,220 see, oh, this is that this is Alex gates. You can always tell 1318 01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:28,200 us Alex because he spells his name Al EC S E Ks. Yeah, yeah, 1319 01:25:28,260 --> 01:25:32,250 Sir Alex gates. He's sent us 5000 SATs through the breeze 1320 01:25:32,250 --> 01:25:36,210 app. He says try different font to render unknown Unicode 1321 01:25:36,210 --> 01:25:41,580 characters. Okay, and did they come through? Now he's telling 1322 01:25:41,580 --> 01:25:44,910 me to try a different Oh, in my browser. Yeah, cuz they always 1323 01:25:44,910 --> 01:25:48,900 get screwed up. Oh, okay. Good idea. I will do that. Thank you, 1324 01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:55,050 sir. Alex. Oh, here we go. Karen Karen down. Give us 6969 cents 1325 01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:56,640 for this episode. 69 1326 01:25:56,730 --> 01:25:59,760 Oh, Episode donation. Nice one. 1327 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,230 That's to fountain he said I had to laugh at once clip of his 1328 01:26:04,230 --> 01:26:09,810 shit Shambo NFT experiences. It's a wild world out there not 1329 01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:12,540 for the faint of heart. But it was personally more of a fan of 1330 01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:17,970 NF T's with utility E as a replacement for Tick, tick tock 1331 01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:22,590 I guess or tick attack to TS seek a ticket? Yeah, for an 1332 01:26:22,590 --> 01:26:26,460 alternative to Patreon or maybe even identity verification in 1333 01:26:26,460 --> 01:26:29,670 the far future. What are your thoughts on Main coins as a low 1334 01:26:29,670 --> 01:26:32,880 pressure way of onboarding someone into crypto wallet 1335 01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:33,360 world? 1336 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:43,350 Huh, well where are the developers? You know? Yeah, we 1337 01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:46,320 got hive working and you know that that was that was a labor 1338 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,450 of love and it's working. So 1339 01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:55,560 I mean there's a lot of NFT stuff on hive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 1340 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,800 not opposed to NF T's. I just think they need to be there. 1341 01:26:59,010 --> 01:27:01,170 They're so brand new that everybody's just kind of go into 1342 01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:03,480 Surco and has no idea what to do with 1343 01:27:03,930 --> 01:27:07,500 but also ultimately your your NFT your ownership is housed on 1344 01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:10,200 somebody's server somewhere you know, it's like, how long will 1345 01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:10,650 that stay 1346 01:27:10,649 --> 01:27:17,609 up? And see, Abel Kirby gave us 5000 SATs the career caster and 1347 01:27:17,609 --> 01:27:24,179 he says boost for ag Happy New Year. Thank you. Is ag Alex 1348 01:27:24,179 --> 01:27:32,429 gates used to great Oh, nice. We get oh 5000 SATs from cotton 1349 01:27:32,429 --> 01:27:40,229 gin. He just says Happy New Year. Here Brian mozzie send us 1350 01:27:40,289 --> 01:27:46,409 37,500 SATs nice and nice. He says pew Happy New Year boost 1351 01:27:46,679 --> 01:27:50,309 brings me to over 200,000 says marker for that elusive T 1352 01:27:50,309 --> 01:27:51,119 shirts. 1353 01:27:51,779 --> 01:27:55,889 Oh yes. Yes. Yeah, he's in line. 1354 01:27:57,210 --> 01:28:02,760 We need we need Ben we need your wife to make us t shirts because 1355 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,730 She evidently can make them and we have no ability to make T 1356 01:28:05,730 --> 01:28:06,390 shirts anymore. 1357 01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:10,590 Yeah, she has me setting up a craft room for so I'll really 1358 01:28:11,340 --> 01:28:16,590 she she's she's got all sorts of equipment. A laser printer Now 1359 01:28:16,590 --> 01:28:21,120 that does T shirts and wow cool effusion I don't know she's got 1360 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,620 all sorts of crazy stuff. She loves it 1361 01:28:22,649 --> 01:28:24,209 how many hours a day 1362 01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:34,950 she has the kids go she literally she had the kids in 1363 01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:39,180 there making their cousin cousin camp Christmas T shirts are 1364 01:28:39,180 --> 01:28:39,900 sweaty and 1365 01:28:39,899 --> 01:28:46,919 rags Mama's got his working in the in the in the sweatshop nice 1366 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,269 mom said we could have supper tonight if we get 27 1367 01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,990 after after the app we are going to buy a t shirt factory 1368 01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:58,350 actually 1369 01:29:02,729 --> 01:29:06,239 come to come to our CES calm Yeah, we'll hook you up leave 1370 01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,229 and do your merch. 1371 01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:12,450 Yes to starting a trust to JPMorgan. Every every industry 1372 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,280 we got some wireless electricity for you to like. Yeah, and we're 1373 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,870 a political party. Boom. Yeah. 1374 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:28,800 Thank you. SC 22,000 Road ducks 2220 1375 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,110 I have a new one for that 1376 01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:36,510 what Wait, did you get this? 1377 01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,309 That's good. Gosh, I wish I remember who sent it to us. 1378 01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,879 That's nice. I like it. This is the duck it's a duck hunt boost. 1379 01:29:44,879 --> 01:29:45,899 It's your rubber ducks. 1380 01:29:45,959 --> 01:29:47,399 Oh it is it is 1381 01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:55,979 Davison again. You get that is beautiful old school eight bit 1382 01:29:55,979 --> 01:29:56,669 days. 1383 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:10,530 Peter says Get well soon tiny Dave I will Peter I think I've 1384 01:30:10,530 --> 01:30:16,980 got my Christmas right here late okay Lincoln sent us 18,000 SATs 1385 01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:20,130 through pod friend he says my monthly donation oh nice not go 1386 01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:22,590 through oh he says my monthly donation did not go through so 1387 01:30:22,590 --> 01:30:25,980 here's a boost to make up for it antenna pod is looking for help 1388 01:30:25,980 --> 01:30:29,130 to add streaming payments. So if you have experience with Java 1389 01:30:29,130 --> 01:30:32,040 and Android development hit him up go podcasting 1390 01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:38,850 nice nice oh let someone be willing to help with that. 1391 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,540 That's cool 1392 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,130 yeah, he posted that on Twitter and started this he was 1393 01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:48,330 hilarious huge threat was no it was like hey, we're antenna pots 1394 01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:51,780 looking for help to implement the value for value streaming 1395 01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:55,800 SATs or whatever. Like there was like an immediate 20 people 1396 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,620 reply you're boiling the ocean you're killing the earth 1397 01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:07,410 what they're because of Bitcoin. Yeah. Go talk to Apple. They're 1398 01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:11,640 the ones boiling the Earth. Yeah, most feed suckers feed 1399 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:12,300 polars 1400 01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:16,890 jobs VRT gives us 4949 SATs through fountain he says just 1401 01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:21,090 sent their GG a matching boost. Oh, that was nice. Cool. Thank 1402 01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:28,170 you for that. Let's see 21 Oh, Rush boost. Okay. Oh, this is 1403 01:31:28,170 --> 01:31:32,220 Harry pilgrim couldn't resist the trifecta of Dame Jennifer 1404 01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:35,100 JCD and the keeper reminding me to boost 1405 01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:36,510 Okay, let's see if I can do that. 1406 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,490 Here's your cue to boost you know you want to boost boost 1407 01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:50,970 boost. Qualify Aaron Sal nomics, he sent 1000 SATs through Korea 1408 01:31:50,970 --> 01:31:54,960 cuz castering He just He says just because I can boost nice 1409 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,550 boost boosts back at your brother. 1410 01:31:57,420 --> 01:32:04,650 Boost 1111 says through breeze is anonymous and it just says JC 1411 01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:08,760 D boost plus a Fauci boost boost boost boost Boost 1412 01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:12,660 Your wish is my command. If you want to get on this action 1413 01:32:12,660 --> 01:32:16,410 people get a modern podcast app a new podcast apps calm 1414 01:32:17,819 --> 01:32:23,729 Mike Kayden over at Red Circle Road ducks 2222 curio caster 1415 01:32:28,979 --> 01:32:39,509 it says first red circle busco podcast yeah thanks Mike sigh 1416 01:32:39,509 --> 01:32:43,859 Mac soon as 500 says through fountain Oh, this is Paul 1417 01:32:43,859 --> 01:32:47,429 Saltzman Saltzman boosting for the DeVore ag boost Pingel Oh, 1418 01:32:47,429 --> 01:32:47,969 geez, 1419 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,840 we're gonna do that. Yeah, as popular. 1420 01:32:53,550 --> 01:32:58,800 No, this is this is truly anonymous. It just says BTC pay 1421 01:32:59,130 --> 01:33:04,560 on Umbral can do donations, thought offsets. Mm hmm. So what 1422 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,150 is it? What? What are they saying? 1423 01:33:07,740 --> 01:33:12,120 That, well, there's a number of apps that you can do. Donations, 1424 01:33:12,180 --> 01:33:15,930 that's the tally coin as well. That's also an Umbral where you 1425 01:33:15,930 --> 01:33:19,530 can just have a QR code for either b2c or lightning. 1426 01:33:20,490 --> 01:33:26,400 Okay, I see as a receiver Yeah, I got I got Karen came back in 1427 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:29,880 with 11 123 says the curio caster and he says, Oh, I got my 1428 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:37,560 shout out name wrong. It's esto es puck. Spanish. I guess it is 1429 01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:46,410 sto is podcast. 2.0 Without the ing is that this is E sto then 1430 01:33:46,410 --> 01:33:53,070 DS. Then podcasting? 2.0 Yeah, that's Spanish. Okay. Pronounce 1431 01:33:53,070 --> 01:33:59,010 that for me. SOS podcast. 2.0. Okay. What does it mean? Oh, it 1432 01:33:59,010 --> 01:34:01,950 means this is podcast. 2.00. 1433 01:34:01,980 --> 01:34:02,700 Okay. All right. 1434 01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:07,590 This concludes Lesson number one Spanish for podcasters. 1435 01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:13,770 Karen speaks fluent Spanish as well. And he does a he does a 1436 01:34:13,770 --> 01:34:17,670 podcast where he does book reviews of like classic 1437 01:34:17,670 --> 01:34:21,390 literature but in Spanish. Nice. As a tea. I think it's a 1438 01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,980 teaching tool to help people 1439 01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:25,140 as if they're in Hong Kong wasn't impressive enough. Now. 1440 01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:27,030 He does that, too. Yeah, 1441 01:34:27,029 --> 01:34:31,679 I thought that no, wow. Oh, Dave Jackson. School of podcasting 1442 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:32,999 came in with a row of ducks. 1443 01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:34,050 Nice 1444 01:34:40,350 --> 01:34:49,080 he says ducks. It's what's for dinner. Cast Breeland says is 1445 01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,980 that do I have the accent? Yeah, you Nailed it. Nailed it. Yeah, 1446 01:34:52,980 --> 01:34:58,800 just like I know that other than the one before. So what can barf 1447 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:03,390 bag or whatever 3300 says through fountain. He says 1448 01:35:03,390 --> 01:35:10,320 thanks. Well you're welcome Cass Thank you. 33,000 SATs through 1449 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:14,910 fountain and this is from Harry Duran. And my goal is to let as 1450 01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:17,700 many people know about the beauty of value for value so 1451 01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:20,280 grateful for what you're both doing super early days but the 1452 01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,700 potential is there to hear your and podcast junkies PPU 1453 01:35:24,330 --> 01:35:24,900 good guy. 1454 01:35:26,370 --> 01:35:30,720 Yeah. He just he's out there just promoted. 1455 01:35:30,750 --> 01:35:32,970 What I'm so happy about though is you know, we just said to 1456 01:35:32,970 --> 01:35:35,610 everybody hey, it's nice. We're reading your notes. But now your 1457 01:35:35,610 --> 01:35:38,730 numbers are low. And we're we're starting to slip in the balance 1458 01:35:38,730 --> 01:35:41,730 sheet and everyone's corrected that I love that. It's really 1459 01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:44,580 appreciated. He's big. These big boost numbers are showing the 1460 01:35:44,580 --> 01:35:45,090 power. 1461 01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:49,140 Well, this is a huge row of ducks. I mean, this is like a 1462 01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:54,030 this qualifies as a line of ducks. I think 22 to 22 Wow, 1463 01:35:54,030 --> 01:35:58,320 from from Kai again from Kira, and through curio caster. He's a 1464 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:02,100 high roller he says, I missed my regular boost last week. So 1465 01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:05,580 here's a make good, the more you know, there's a podcast. Let's 1466 01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:09,420 see there's a podcaster from the Dominican Republic called Robert 1467 01:36:09,450 --> 01:36:14,400 Sassoon, Suzuki, who has been diving deep into podcasting. 2.0 1468 01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:20,070 even changed his podcast name to esto es podcasting 2.0 We got 1469 01:36:20,069 --> 01:36:24,599 about a quarter there you go. Okay. Now Now we understand 1470 01:36:25,170 --> 01:36:28,920 and he says translation equals this is podcasting. 2.0 see, 1471 01:36:29,910 --> 01:36:32,520 totally got a metaphor. He's been providing lots of great 1472 01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,300 informational videos in Spanish. explaining everything from value 1473 01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:41,010 for value tutorials on Mastadon videos on hive three speak and 1474 01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:43,830 self hosting on cast upon just wanted to give a shout out to 1475 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:46,710 our Latino friends who know what's up send me out with some 1476 01:36:46,710 --> 01:36:47,610 quacks please 1477 01:36:47,639 --> 01:36:50,849 Yes. What is boost in Spanish? They'll boost oh 1478 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,290 man I don't know how I'll bet so how would you say boost 1479 01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:59,640 there's not a direct translation that comes to my mind maybe push 1480 01:36:59,670 --> 01:37:03,660 like an impulse or don't be donated we don't 1481 01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:08,220 know what do you what do you what is a booster rocket in 1482 01:37:08,220 --> 01:37:13,530 Spanish? You know? Like Elon has on his spaceships booster rocket 1483 01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:16,890 it's a quiet Quiet quiet 1484 01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,810 Nicoleta go at death 1485 01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:27,990 winning cow when you call a bear to give us a good day. Yeah. 1486 01:37:29,130 --> 01:37:31,410 What's what is it in Dutch was boost in Dutch. 1487 01:37:32,010 --> 01:37:40,860 And boost. Boost. Boost a boost? Okay, boost Knoxville boost. 1488 01:37:42,780 --> 01:37:45,300 Just did all like to the whole conversation between two 1489 01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:46,170 podcasters 1490 01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:51,360 and that's where this way you're professional. 28 Yeah, that was 1491 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:56,910 20 to 20. From Karen Thank you Karen. donation to see 12,500 1492 01:37:56,910 --> 01:38:00,030 SATs from Brian mozzie night again. This is two weeks of SAS 1493 01:38:00,030 --> 01:38:01,230 and she says boost 1494 01:38:01,229 --> 01:38:03,149 yo Gotcha. Boost. 1495 01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:10,830 4949 cents from John's BRT. He says excellent interview from 1496 01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:14,070 the pod guru on Linux on PlayPlace. Pod sage 1497 01:38:14,099 --> 01:38:16,259 pod sage not get it right. 1498 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:25,350 But I will accept these these says thank you John's BRT out 1499 01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:30,870 25,000 SATs from cauldron. I'd seen this name before KU l dri n 1500 01:38:31,380 --> 01:38:34,350 through fountains 25,000 says he's his pod father in pod 1501 01:38:34,350 --> 01:38:37,980 stage. Thank you for podcasting in the evolution of 2.0 I've 1502 01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:43,230 been podcasting since in K v. 2016. What is that? In KV? 1503 01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:49,650 Freight when I first heard that thought is New King James 1504 01:38:49,650 --> 01:38:54,870 Version. I've been podcasting since NKV 2016 and rescued 1505 01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:58,380 hundreds of people from abuse in this post 50 shades era with my 1506 01:38:58,380 --> 01:39:02,370 podcast, Coltrane's crypt of BDSM one on one talk. 1507 01:39:02,609 --> 01:39:06,539 Yay. Now we're talking Yeah, Bruce, this post. 1508 01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:10,590 If this. If this never would have been invented. My message 1509 01:39:10,590 --> 01:39:14,100 of safe, sane, consensual and informed adult relationships 1510 01:39:14,190 --> 01:39:17,460 wouldn't have reached so many. Thank you. Boost. 1511 01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:21,120 Yeah, an excellent resource of all communities. 1512 01:39:21,569 --> 01:39:31,739 All communities. See 502,371 Dred Scott, holy 1513 01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:39,270 crap. He gets. Shot Carla 20 blades. Okay, he needs his own 1514 01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:39,960 jingle now. 1515 01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:42,330 Okay, we have to have a leaderboard. Now. This is 1516 01:39:42,330 --> 01:39:49,140 getting ridiculous. Drib okay. 5023 77 is messages topping 1517 01:39:49,140 --> 01:39:53,340 aerostatic his record boost by one sad Happy New Year Ago 1518 01:39:53,340 --> 01:39:54,600 podcasting jam. 1519 01:39:54,600 --> 01:40:00,000 Thank you dread town, man. You might as well start a host 1520 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,760 company with this level of support dread joining on the 1521 01:40:05,850 --> 01:40:09,960 join one Yeah. Well, he's got the, you know, he's got the 1522 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,830 chapter service is doing, he must be doing eight or nine 1523 01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:17,160 different podcasts. He's doing chapters for him and he's just 1524 01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,490 taking a split from the value from the value block and 1525 01:40:20,490 --> 01:40:22,470 apparently sending it right back to us. 1526 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:29,010 I'm going to begin to refer to him as high roller drips got or 1527 01:40:29,010 --> 01:40:30,780 independently wealthy drips got 1528 01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:36,420 nice. The independently wealthy Dred Scott the Bruce Wayne of 1529 01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:39,930 podcast is still kind of works for me. 1530 01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:42,750 That's that's a better one. Let's do Bruce Wayne of podcast, 1531 01:40:43,650 --> 01:40:49,800 comic strip blogger 10,033 sets. He says greetings to Dave Jones, 1532 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,380 and they see feel free to listen to our podcast about artificial 1533 01:40:52,380 --> 01:40:56,370 intelligence entitled AI cooking. Read by former BBC 1534 01:40:56,370 --> 01:41:00,810 actor Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent UK and to 1535 01:41:00,810 --> 01:41:05,640 glance at cartoons doodle by me at Comic Strip blog.com Yo, yo, 1536 01:41:06,630 --> 01:41:08,850 that was a better note. Thank you CSB. I 1537 01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:11,910 know I told him to integrate it all into one yeah, yes. doing 1538 01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:13,080 much better on that. Thank you. 1539 01:41:15,060 --> 01:41:18,210 And see we got no we got two more. We got Nomad Joe gave us 1540 01:41:18,210 --> 01:41:21,630 1000 SATs through fountain he says for a great new year in 1541 01:41:21,630 --> 01:41:28,230 podcasting. Yeah, thank you hope it will be. And oh, Mike Newman, 1542 01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:34,050 through breeze says a monthly boost I hear fourteens are big 1543 01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:38,910 this week. So I'm going all in with him and he gave us 141414 1544 01:41:38,970 --> 01:41:42,810 Whoa. Nice 41,414 sets. This 1545 01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:47,700 is nice. Thank you. Ah, this is good. We should we should skip a 1546 01:41:47,700 --> 01:41:53,940 show more often. Just a person who into 1547 01:41:55,110 --> 01:42:01,170 bi weekly donation. See PayPal. Oh, wait. Chad Pharaoh. I left 1548 01:42:01,170 --> 01:42:03,450 out of PayPal. I'm sorry. Chad. Pharaoh started a new 1549 01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:07,860 subscription for $20.22. Beautiful, yeah, somebody else 1550 01:42:07,860 --> 01:42:10,830 dropped off at they canceled their 20. And then like 1551 01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:14,100 immediately, like with it like the next day Chad Farrow, data 1552 01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:16,380 20. So we, we balanced that. Oh, cool. 1553 01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:19,140 Cool. All right. So so the balance sheet is okay. This 1554 01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:19,830 week. We're good. 1555 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:25,830 Yeah, we're good. Eric can can stop drinking. Drinking the my 1556 01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:31,440 land Everclear and we got some monthly Scott Jaubert gave us 1557 01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:35,610 $12 These are the monthly subscribers Mark Graham gave us 1558 01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:44,700 $1 David Mitas $10. Joseph maraca $5 bJ kudelski $1 No No 1559 01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:51,630 sorry. Bz kudelski $1 Jeremy new $5 Cameron Rose $25 A pod verse 1560 01:42:51,630 --> 01:42:59,670 $50. Lauren ball $24.20 Mitch Downey $10 Christopher Ciara 1561 01:42:59,670 --> 01:43:05,880 Barack $10 Terry Keller $5 Jeremy Cavanaugh $10 Jeffrey 1562 01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:10,920 Rutherford. $5 sir Alice gates the podcast and 2.0 consultant 1563 01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:18,030 gave us $25 Chris cow and $5 Paul Saltzman 2222 roadex 1564 01:43:20,370 --> 01:43:22,650 do it just might as well do it. I'm just getting my ducks. 1565 01:43:23,819 --> 01:43:26,159 Oh, that's that's a foul though. It's not a Boo. 1566 01:43:26,490 --> 01:43:29,100 Boo. So I take it Yeah, sorry. That's yeah, 1567 01:43:30,030 --> 01:43:34,740 sure, and Moeller gives $10 Derek J Vickery gave us $21 1568 01:43:35,670 --> 01:43:41,970 Damon Cassie Jack $15 David Norman the ever missing Yes. $25 1569 01:43:42,630 --> 01:43:45,420 in Jeremy Garrett's gave us $5 And that's our 1570 01:43:45,420 --> 01:43:48,120 group. Wow, Gregory, great group, everybody. Thank you so 1571 01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,060 much. Go to podcast index.org. Scroll down the bottom there's a 1572 01:43:51,060 --> 01:43:55,470 Donate button for your fee out fun coupons that we gladly 1573 01:43:55,470 --> 01:43:58,170 accept through PayPal, we converted into bitcoin 1574 01:43:58,170 --> 01:44:01,260 eventually. Anyway, put it on the node for liquidity for the 1575 01:44:01,260 --> 01:44:03,540 hundreds of channels we have opened. We have our own 1576 01:44:03,540 --> 01:44:06,990 microcosm, check that out and go podcasting.org If you want to be 1577 01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:11,100 blown away. And and of course, thanks everybody who's come to 1578 01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:14,700 us through a modern podcast app at new podcast. app.com where 1579 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:17,370 podcasts index.org/apps 1580 01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:20,400 And we need we needed leaderboard for real because we 1581 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,810 need to enshrine things like air Aesthetica and well, Rep. 1582 01:44:24,810 --> 01:44:26,760 Scott's epic boost battle. 1583 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:28,170 We have it in the database. 1584 01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:30,990 Yeah, yeah, I can. I can pump it out. 1585 01:44:31,649 --> 01:44:35,729 Hey, Dave, pump it out, baby. Pump. 1586 01:44:35,729 --> 01:44:36,959 That's what I do. Yeah, 1587 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:41,250 that's right. That is what you do. Oberto and Ben, gentlemen, 1588 01:44:41,250 --> 01:44:43,980 is some stuff that we missed that you'd like to talk about, 1589 01:44:43,980 --> 01:44:48,180 is there anything we can do? Can we change something can we just 1590 01:44:48,180 --> 01:44:50,310 to wash your car? I think 1591 01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:55,679 hey, let's let's do the Texas meet up one of these days, not 1592 01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:56,639 too far. From here. I 1593 01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,250 want to do it when we can get Dave out here which is after 1594 01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,690 that To the shitty tax season or if I can find him a better job 1595 01:45:03,690 --> 01:45:07,590 before then. Well, always looking for a few 1596 01:45:07,590 --> 01:45:09,660 more days a boost like you guys have today. 1597 01:45:12,210 --> 01:45:13,170 We're on our way. 1598 01:45:13,530 --> 01:45:16,470 Podcast Movement is in Dallas, we need to do something. Oh 1599 01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:17,970 crap. What is that? 1600 01:45:18,029 --> 01:45:21,869 When is that August? August. That's too long. Too far away. 1601 01:45:21,899 --> 01:45:23,519 We can't wait. And marches 1602 01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,130 before tax deadline. So I don't think we'll see you at 1603 01:45:26,130 --> 01:45:27,840 evolutions in LA. I imagine. 1604 01:45:28,410 --> 01:45:29,940 Man I don't want to go to LA 1605 01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:36,540 May or June. That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, that's good. That 1606 01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:39,780 means it's close enough to drag. I can drive that. I don't know. 1607 01:45:39,780 --> 01:45:44,250 No, no. What will the donation will appear that will equally 1608 01:45:44,250 --> 01:45:44,670 match? 1609 01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:47,550 Well, Dave, you're gonna you're gonna stay with me right, aren't 1610 01:45:47,550 --> 01:45:51,060 you Melissa? Gonna come stay with us. Sure. We'll have some 1611 01:45:51,060 --> 01:45:52,170 hill country fun brother. 1612 01:45:52,349 --> 01:45:54,899 Oh, you're so mad. And there's a lot of people that would come in 1613 01:45:54,899 --> 01:45:55,229 for them. 1614 01:45:55,230 --> 01:45:58,170 I haven't seen you and wanting to see last year. Okay. That's 1615 01:45:58,170 --> 01:46:00,480 right. Last year, but yeah, yeah. 1616 01:46:00,809 --> 01:46:04,379 And later, I'll cater barbecue. There's a good guy there in 1617 01:46:04,379 --> 01:46:06,989 Fredericksburg. I know that'll do some barbecue catered. We'll 1618 01:46:06,989 --> 01:46:08,639 make this a fun meetup if y'all want. 1619 01:46:08,669 --> 01:46:11,009 Can we all go to the craft room and make T shirts afterwards? 1620 01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:17,430 At the sweatshop. I want to do mine with glitter. 1621 01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:21,540 No, no. would kill me. Bins like bins like I've got a guy who 1622 01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:25,050 does barbecue. What he really means is this kid. He's cracking 1623 01:46:25,050 --> 01:46:25,410 the whip. 1624 01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:29,400 This is a guy he's got 1000 gallon propane tank, he 1625 01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,810 converted teas. Yeah, so that's like, I don't know 60 briskets 1626 01:46:33,810 --> 01:46:34,680 or something he can do 1627 01:46:37,140 --> 01:46:40,530 like three four cows all at once. That's fantastic. But 1628 01:46:40,529 --> 01:46:44,549 I did give him a bunch of wood off our place here and he owes 1629 01:46:44,549 --> 01:46:46,499 me so I'm sure he'll be happy to do so. 1630 01:46:47,069 --> 01:46:50,069 I'll bear to him. Ben are a co founders of rss.com where you 1631 01:46:50,069 --> 01:46:54,479 can sign up without a credit card and take advantage of their 1632 01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,479 incredible multilingual knowledge base I'm doing the 1633 01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:03,059 marketing here for you as well as several podcasting 2.0 tags 1634 01:47:03,059 --> 01:47:06,299 but you know that you're in good safe hands with the Boys and 1635 01:47:06,299 --> 01:47:08,609 Girls over@rss.com 1636 01:47:09,179 --> 01:47:13,019 And you could do one episode for free Yeah, just make it and Dave 1637 01:47:13,019 --> 01:47:14,489 will remove it for their algorithm 1638 01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:19,919 take you right out of the index. Guys thank you so much for your 1639 01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:23,999 your unwavering support really really appreciate you and I'm 1640 01:47:23,999 --> 01:47:28,049 really proud of what you're doing you know just identifying 1641 01:47:28,049 --> 01:47:31,379 markets getting in you see your expansion you know the whole 1642 01:47:31,409 --> 01:47:35,009 buying an app and what else we gonna buy a t shirt T Shirt 1643 01:47:35,009 --> 01:47:35,819 Company right yeah, 1644 01:47:35,850 --> 01:47:37,470 yeah. 1645 01:47:37,710 --> 01:47:39,660 I love those aspirations. I really 1646 01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:41,730 wait near land wait farms. 1647 01:47:43,380 --> 01:47:47,160 Wind farms do all right Dave anything for you 1648 01:47:47,850 --> 01:47:50,850 know man, send back the word and getting in the ground. Oh, 1649 01:47:50,939 --> 01:47:53,999 okay. Well, we will be back with another board meeting next week 1650 01:47:53,999 --> 01:47:59,249 podcasting 2.0 check everything out the podcast index.org 1651 01:47:59,249 --> 01:48:01,739 podcast index dot social will talk to you next week. 1652 01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:21,420 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1653 01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:23,970 index.org. For more information