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Well Hi everybody. Welcome once
again it is the show that has no

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commercials, no jingles, no
songs, no plot, no year end wrap

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up lists, no talent. And most of
all, no agenda. I'm coming to

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you from the curry manor in a
chilly United Kingdom. I'm Adam

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curry.

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And I'm John C. Dvorak up here
in the rainy Northern

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California. And it's actually
kind of cold here too. I think

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it's 40

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I've got the coal burned in my
friend. And it smells

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cold for us.

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No. All right. So I hope you had
a nice Christmas.

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Yeah, I went up to Washington
State where it was really

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miserable. And spent two days up
there and now I'm down here.

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Excellent. I will we stayed at
home and actually just got back

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at Saturday by the way the the
29th It's 8:05pm in the UK

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12:05pm in California. And
yesterday we went over to the

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Netherlands and just to have
dinner basically with my sister

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about the both of my sisters
their significant others and and

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the kids. And so we just got
back and I remember ready to get

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this New Year's thing over with
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So what would you eat?

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This place called a veranda,
which actually I have a better

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dinner story, although this was
fun, but this was kind of a

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place where the kids could run
around. Yeah, they're like,

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between ages seven and 10. So
you know, it's like, we didn't

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go to an overly posh place. I
did. However, with Christina and

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Patricia and Christina is
boyfriend du jour, Jake. We went

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to Clifton house you familiar
with Clifton? Oh, yeah. Okay, so

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we went there. And we had
because we've patrician I've

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stayed there before. And we went
to have dinner. And I was

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already I was like, Okay, I'm
going to order a really awesome

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bottle of wine. Because I know
Patricia will be she'll be into

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it. And, you know, I was sure I
could you know, between the two

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of us, I could probably do a
bottle of wine. I was really

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going to get a good one. And I'm
looking at, at the at the what

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do you call it the wine menu,
the wine list?

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It's the wine list. And I think
if I'm not mistaken, that place

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has one that looks like the
Manhattan phone director. It's

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amazing. And I saw it and was
1953 Latour and I'm like, Yeah,

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I'm gonna go for this baby.

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Can I guess the price? Can I get
the price? Yeah,

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sure. Sure. Sure. Now you have I
know the pound price. So you

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know, your currency. In pounds,
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guess it in pounds. Now England
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States, I think we would
probably that wine would be

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around 53 litre would be around
probably around $7,500. Now, I

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would think that in England,
because they're closer to the

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source and they collect those
wines. broadly across those

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kinds of restaurants. I'm
thinking that wine might be

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priced as low as 3000 pounds.

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And actually, there were a
couple of tours the there were

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two different ones from 53. And
one of them was 30 401 of them

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was 2400. So you're awfully,
awfully close. In fact, right. I

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was right in the middle. Yeah,
right in the middle. But

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needless to say, Patricia, like,
Man, I really don't feel like

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wine tonight. And what do you do
is like, Yeah, I'm like, I'm not

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gonna drink a whole bottle of
wine. What do you say? No, no

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problem. I know. But you know,
tell us give me a doggie bag and

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I'll take it home with me. I
don't want to just drink it by

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myself. So I didn't do it. And I
know it sounds incredibly

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bourgeois or what is the word
I'm looking for? You know, we're

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talking about a 7000. decadent?
Ah, yes, thank you. We're

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talking about a $7,000 bottle of
wine, but it really was going to

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be my gift to myself. And didn't
happen. Yeah, yeah.

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You could probably track that
wind down on the open market.

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$4,000. Maybe really? Wow. Yeah.

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Well, let's do that bucket when
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track one down, Johnny Boy.

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Well, you know, I don't know if
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is some I mean, it's possible. I
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fading metal, although it's
probably pretty tasty. I would

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you know, if you could get a 59
or 61 You'd probably have the

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same quality a little cheaper
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It actually seemed like they had
a lot of 95 wines that that seem

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to be very popular on the list.

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95 is Dwayne's Bordeaux's or 95
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they're rolling their eyes, but
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might as well listen for a
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right now are 12 years old,
which puts him right at the

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moment where you should be
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We're still gonna have their
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absolutely delicious.

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That's why well, I probably
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those because they were
significantly cheaper. Oh,

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yeah. Compared to $7,000. Then
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know old collectibles they
actually would run They're just

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keep them in the place. So they
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They don't really want people
buying them, although they're

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not going to refuse the sale. I
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no, and I was kind of looking
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the sommelier. But anyway, for
another time, man over the hill,

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of course, you know, the news
that that we certainly were

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talking about over over dinner
last night was Bhutto's

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assassination in Pakistan. Yeah.
And I'm like, yeah, what

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it was yesterday.

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Yeah. I mean, is it just me or
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they got to switch Echelon on,
so they can capture all this.

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But this has CIA written all
over it, John. I mean, we're a

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month away from an election.
We've got Musharraf, who was

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totally our bitch, because, you
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dollars. You know, and it's part
like, remove all problems and

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part message I think to him see,
that seems like a cookie cutter

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CIA deal.

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I really, that just doesn't that
wouldn't. That actually makes no

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sense to me at all. I don't see
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they, they're probably freaked
about it, to be honest about I

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don't think they need that kind
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don't see him doing I think it
was it was either the radicals.

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There's countries filled with
maniac. No, no. I mean, who

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actually they would love that
they would love to hear there's

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two birds with one stone by
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her. And who they didn't like,
anyway, because she's not she's

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not further radicals. And it
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Musharraf. So bad guy, so that
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get this country to where they
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curious state.

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Let me just let me just let me
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so the listeners understand, I'm
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like a CIA guy with dark
glasses, who's in between the

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masses, and then you know, all
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takes this takes this woman out.
Obviously, it was a radical

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thinking person of some sort.
And, you know, that's how it

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always works. It's always either
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close close to the person. Yeah,
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But I don't see what the benefit
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to the United States.

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I think it's it's a catalyst for
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take control it does border on
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can't even take control of Iraq.
I mean, we don't need that

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aggravation. But

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think of but no, of course, we
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think about the strategy may be
behind it. You know, it could be

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Oh, we'll just move some guys
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a lot to offer as well, you
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All right. Well, if you if we
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have some people over there, but
if we did, well, it definitely

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destabilise the area. But I
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mean, they have a bomb, we have
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the centre know that, and I will
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still think it was an internal
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we have zipped to do with it, to
be honest about it. Well, then,

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let me at least that's my
thinking. And I'm also looking

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at our news media, which isn't
covering it very well. And I

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don't see the implications of
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And let me just step back and
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really shocking. You know, I've
been following this woman, you

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know, obviously, she's been on
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in the past few years, because
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always watched with interest
also, because she's just a

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stunningly stunning woman to
look at. And the travesty you

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know, of, of killing this
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that also just struck me you
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wearing military uniforms and
shit doesn't doesn't hurt me. It

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doesn't affect me that much. But
this, I was like, crap, man,

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this is fucked up.

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I think she knew she was gonna
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up there was some nice holistic
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they tried to blow her up. What
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Yeah. 160 people died during
that. And now there's, this was

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the latest news that came in the
now there's, you know, a cover

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up. Let me just bring up the
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groups had Saturday had had no
link to Bhutto's killing and the

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opposition leaders aides accused
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disputing the official account
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they're saying, well, she wasn't
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you know, she bumped against
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assassination. This is all
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well mucked up. Too bad scene.

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We got a comment from someone
about journalists are listed our

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listener listener. Yeah,
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we were talking on one of the
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journalism and headlines and how
totally lame journalism is.

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Yeah, in general. We do that a
lot. Yeah. So check this out.

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Hey, Adam. David, again from
Williamsport wanted to touch

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base with you.

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You can hear that right. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, good.

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I heard you talking about
advertising. And journalists,

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rather. Journalists, I guess
with the have John C. Dvorak on

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no agenda. And you're talking
about headlines. But you get a

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kick out of it was the post.
After I turn her died, the

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headline read by Turner, the
Tina, Judah. Just kind of

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thought that was amusing and
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And what was that all about?

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He said, You know, it says we
liked headlines. The headline in

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the New York Post was Ike Turner
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what was the basic what what and
how did they twist that into the

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reality of the story? How long
what was the story? Hold

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on a second. What was the story?
That story? The story that Ike

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Turner died?

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Yeah, I turned her well. I mean,
aren't they? I'm not getting a

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There's a joke in here but I
don't get it. Oh beats are to

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beat shorts.

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Meanwhile, Skype is like crap
crapping out and you're coming

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through like, you know, barely
coming through on the wireless

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and you're not getting this joke
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ever.

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It's pretty bad. Like get the
joke now. Okay. Yeah, that's

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very, that's very cute.
Actually. It's just, you know,

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sometimes I'm not as sharp as I
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No, no, I'm actually sorry, I
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You should be you're humiliated
me. But it's funny. It's good

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joke.

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I heard you. Even though we're
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whatever. You know, there's I
just wanted to throw something

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out there. There's all this talk
about a lightweight Apple device

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that is apparently coming at the
new the upcoming Macworld in

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January.

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That's what they believe. Let
you know more. Yes, I do.

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And I don't know if I mentioned
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lightweight device. It will be
flash based. It will be a tablet

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like device. But I think the
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apparently hold some really
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computing. And they have
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Yeah, so do you recall a product
the light pen? And I think it

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some Yeah, there. What? Right,
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Yeah. In fact, I remember I've
read that know, the guy who that

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device has been around for a
while. And I actually met the

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guy who invented it. What did it
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did the light pen do?

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Somehow, if I'm not mistaken, if
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thinking of, you could use it on
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special screen, it would read
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it was and be able to do like,
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it. That's it. So that's the
patent that they Wacom

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tablet. Right. They probably
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then or they go he works for
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was Apple's and they patented it

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back in the Newton days. And
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working on the Newton, but so
the word is that, you know, it's

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going to be you know, they're
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light pen or this, this this
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new device, and that is what's
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wanted to throw that out there
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mentioned that. And I thought
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Maybe Apple can buy us and shut
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There you go. That would be
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Let me just check. So hold on
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that my my wife is watching
YouTube videos. Hold on. Can you

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just hold on for one second? Let
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So there's a very so anyway,
there's a very interesting story

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here in the US that people
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thing on the blog called a
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this is the more interesting
one. This is the most

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interesting one recently. It
looks like in a park in

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Columbus, Ohio, the police
decided to take one of their

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officers and strip her naked and
she was they put her in the park

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to see what kind of perverts
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Is there a picture?

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There's kind of a blurry picture
you can see. It's nothing. If

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she looks like just a naked girl
in the park, you know, that'd be

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found in the Berkeley area. I
mean, this is like the centre

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know how they do it here. But
anyway, so they used to have

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these naked citizens in
Berkeley, and they still do

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them. It's horrible. By the way,
it's like something you don't

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ever want to see. It's just a
lot of naked misshapen people

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and you just shaking your cringy
actually, you get your like have

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you have to shake for about a
week after you've witnessed

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this. Anyway, so this woman was
there and some guy who happened

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to be a firefighter goes over
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this is what would make a girl
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he goes over to search chatting
with her and then she starts you

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know doing everything she sort
of fondling and she puts her

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legs on him and she's you know,
flirt and and she she, you know

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says what so what do you got
inside there big boy kind of

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thing and so he self

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was there camera? I mean, what
was this like a reality show

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they have to? Yeah, no, it
wasn't a reality show it was it

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wasn't that crazy, you know NBC?
Yeah, it was simple. But they

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can they do have videoed, and
it's available, you can link to

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it from the original site. And
the so they arrest this guy for,

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you know, I've never you know,
because he's obviously much you,

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you know, if you're if you're
heterosexual male attracted to a

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naked girl, you are obviously
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And so they found and he's a
firefighter, which is really too

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bad. Especially if he went they
weren't, they found him guilty.

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And they couldn't do anything
about the entrapment laws or

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anything like that. And some
people in my blog pointed out

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that some of the entrapment laws
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by new legislation that's been
slipped in where it's legal to

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do anything. Oh, of course. So.
And meanwhile, stories on top of

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the story that's even more
ludicrous, which is, tops.

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patrol the subway system are
leaving objects laying around,

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like a wallet, or an iPod. And
if somebody picks one of these

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things up, boom, you get it. You
get it for whatever, I'm not

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even sure what the crime is. But
they figure it's a crime. And so

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they've arrested over 300
citizens who just pick stuff up

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even though in New York, there's
a law that says, if you find

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something valuable you have you
have 10 days to turn it in. They

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don't care. They just arrested
him anyway, because this is one

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way to get your numbers up. Oh,
man. So I'm thinking now, when

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did this a lot of this you could
blame on the fact that cops

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don't deal with real crimes like
the I think it's three? Or it's

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either three or nine and maybe
it's 9000 I actually have a

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number here. There's

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a John, John. John, hold on,
hold on, hold on one second. I'm

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gonna call you back. This is
fucked up Skype. I'll call you

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right back. All right, let's see
if this is better.

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Well, that was new.

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It was it was so bad. And your
story was sounded really good.

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And I can make

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this time when you call the
Skype thing came up as a

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transparent little bar.

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Right. Right. Right. Like like a
like a like a Mac thing. Almost

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an overlay? I've never seen
that. Oh, no, no, it's cool.

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It's when you got Skype open
that it does that. On the TC

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so anyway.

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Right. So this so basically,
citizens are being entrapped by

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the cops for crazy as shit.

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Yeah, because it seems like the
thing to do of course, this poor

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guy now is going to be a sex
crime guy for ever. And

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I'm sure I'll be seeing him at
secondary screening.

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You Yeah, well, you haven't had
to go through that for a while.

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Well, the 15th I'm coming to New
York. I can't wait it's gonna be

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fun. Should I record try and
record my entry into the United

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States? Where am I really
looking for for trouble?

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You didn't know you're looking
for job because they won't let

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you even take a picture. Because
they think you know the idea

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they get the the idea that the
only reason to be doing doing

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that is because you to give the
information to the terrorists on

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how the system works. So you
can't do anything right so

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forget it. I mean, you might you
know, if you could get some you

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know, if you can get something
like a accidental recording, you

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know, something that's
pocketable.

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By the way, if you if you like
the conversations that John and

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I have about this stuff, then
you have to You must stop as

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1959 You must stop this bill
from passing. This is the

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thought Crimes Bill, John.

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Right. 1959 That's a good year
for that electric board, by the

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way. Anyway, there's night. And
there's currently 9000 unsolved

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murders in New York. But they're
they're doing all this stuff

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with, you know, with the phoney
baloney last iPods. So anyway,

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so I'm thinking about how this
whole entrapment thing works.

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And I realised, you know that
there's an entrapment mentality,

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and that permeates the American
society in such a way and I'm

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not sure what work stems from it
if it's not from laziness.

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Because, and I'm not sure what
cause and effect whether it's

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started with American football,
or whether American football

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reflects it and let me explain.
I was talking this over with

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somebody the other day about how
they, the scoring in American

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football has become ridiculously
high, like defensive, can't do

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anything. They used to be able
to bump into the receiver for

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example, all along the way. They
used to be called a bump and in

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fact, most things are made
illegal in football to increase

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the scoring but the more
interesting thing is, and it's

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become a plan play, and I
consider it a form of

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entrapment, which is a play
called pass interference. And

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what these guys look for it says
situation, especially at the end

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of the game, they'll, the
quarterback will drop back and

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we'll have the ball as far as he
can, at some receiver, whether

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he the guy could catch the ball
or not some mystery. But the

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receiver has maybe stops in his
tracks, or he looks like he's

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going to catch the world of fake
out the defender and the

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defender touches him, and they
throw a flag. And now the ball

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now it's called passing or
interference, the ball is

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placed, the ball is placed at
that spot, which means it's like

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a 5060 yard penalty in some
instances, which is ridiculous.

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In college, it's only 15 yards,
and then they pick a field and

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the hole will then kick a field
go, they can get it, sometimes

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they get a touchdown, they
sometimes get the bone to your

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Arline, there's a lot of
possibilities here. But the fact

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of the matter is, there are
plays that are designed to

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elicit pass interference. And
this is to me a form of

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entrapment. And it seemed like a
good idea at the time. And I'm

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sure that these cops think that
is great, because you know

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they're getting would be there.
It's almost like pre crime,

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they're looking for people who
haven't really done anything.

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And then they figure well, if
they do this, if they go up to

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the naked girl, they probably
wouldn't do something if they

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were you know, this if there was
but again, isn't this a

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victimless crime anyway, so the
whole thing is a joke. Well,

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also,

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that's interesting. It's, you
see a lot of this type of

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behaviour on the internet. I
mean, isn't that exactly what

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people do when they're flaming?
And they're saying, you know,

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they're calling you out on your
words on your blog post? And

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isn't that almost some form of
cultural behaviour? Where we're

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always looking to catch someone
saying something or being evil

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or it just feels like I'm
there's a lot of that around?

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Yeah, what's it come from,
though? I mean, is it always

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been like this? I mean,

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dissatisfaction is it's
projecting your own

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dissatisfaction, your own
throwing your own baggage. It's

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someone else's way. I mean,
that's, I think that's pretty

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human.

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What happens engaging in it to
such an extreme where they're

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doing these crazy, these aren't
even interesting stings? Well, I

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mean, getting some guidance to
say hello to a naked girl is not

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the same as like bustin somebody
for a big drug deal. Okay,

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follow

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my logic for a second, follow my
logic. So, the normal Joe on the

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internet, who, you know, will
get pissed off, and it's

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everybody, okay? You get pissed
off at something somebody so

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wrote, or if you disagree, or
there's a nuance in language,

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what do you mean by the word is,
you know, that kind of stuff.

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And you start flaming and start
posting, and you do it because

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you're frustrated about many
other things in real life that

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had nothing to do with the
topic. You know, people just

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frustrated because I think
people in general are pretty

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frustrated about their lives.
Now, I believe the cops are

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frustrated. There's probably a
lot of shit going on there that

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we know nothing about, by the
way, you know, here comes Mr.

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Conspiracy. There's a lot of
talk about the cops and the New

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York City Fire Department. And
since we're talking about New

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York City, they really know a
lot more about 911. And, you

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know, then they're, you know,
obviously these guys have a

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code, a code and a cone of
silence and probably no one will

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crack on it. But you know,
keeping stuff inside like that

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there's a lot that's shit that
hasn't been dealt with man.

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There's a lot going on there. So
maybe they're just frustrated

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and they start doing stupid shit
like everyone else does when

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they're trolling the internet
and talking stupid shit

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well, maybe

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I'll take that a John C. Dvorak.
Maybe. Yes. Finally a theory he

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might be just maybe by and large
mining buy into

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and talking about by and large.
So I start so I did some

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research. And let me go get my
little sheet of paper Hang on a

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second. You put this on pause
for one second?

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Yeah, no problem. I'd love to
this is interesting. We can just

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record a show like this during
the week and just record little

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bits and then put it on pause
and put it all together. Note to

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self that not a bad idea. Now,
you were listening. Okay, I'm

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recording I heard

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you. Okay, cool. Okay. So okay,
got the by and large thing. So I

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decided to look at start looking
it up and one of the things that

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you can do and I know it's you
know, with the definition fact

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they'll see if I can find that
the definition but the nautical

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definition which is you know,
the talking about how they you

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know, it's a ship term and by
you know, it's when you have the

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wind kind of at you and you have
to sail by the wind and then if

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you got it

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What the fuck are you talking
about?

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We're talking about by and
large, nautical transit ships

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are sailing term, oh. And by
means you're going against the

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wind, you have to go by that
when you have to go back and

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forth. You're using the wind,
the other one is large when

437
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you're sailing large, the winds
right behind you throw the big,

438
00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:02,070
big sheets up and you just suck
it all in and going as fast as

439
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:03,780
you can in one direction. Okay,
so that's

440
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:06,600
basically it's in both cases by
and large,

441
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,990
right, both cases, and which is
kind of where it stems from. But

442
00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:13,440
anyway, so I've tracked a shot.
So I decided to go there's, you

443
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,300
know, Microsoft has one of the
best set at some public domain

444
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,550
books. You know, while Google
has been scanning books and

445
00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:22,770
getting a lot of bad publicity
for it, Microsoft's been doing

446
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:25,770
the same thing, because we all
know that whatever Google does,

447
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:34,380
Microsoft does. Because yeah,
where's the rimshot? Anyway, so,

448
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,710
so Microsoft, and I'm gonna blog
this with credit to the guy who,

449
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:41,430
there we go, I blog this with
credit to the guy who sent me

450
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:43,800
the original email. I just don't
have them in front of me right

451
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,270
now. But he sent me a
definition, which I'll put in

452
00:25:48,270 --> 00:25:51,690
there. And then so I said, Well,
let me look into the old books

453
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,930
that Microsoft has scanned from
using mostly many of these books

454
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:57,600
from the University of
California and UCLA libraries,

455
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,160
which are enormous collections.
And so I was able to track the

456
00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:09,060
word usage back to as far as
eight the furthest back I got,

457
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:15,360
was used to like by and large
was used a lot in the 1918 1915

458
00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:19,470
era, a lot. I mean, they just
keep cropping up all over the

459
00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:24,330
place. But I traced it back to
two first, I got a good one and

460
00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:30,570
an 1890 book, which was a
glossary if you're on page 95,

461
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:36,270
it says that by and large is a
term meaning kind of you know,

462
00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:41,490
like this and that you know, in
most cases in all cases, that

463
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:45,390
can anybody but the kicker was,
but this guy is December 2018 90

464
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:50,460
entry. He says the term was used
among rustic people thought was

465
00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:55,680
rusted personally. Yeah, rustic
means you know, idiots. Oh, so

466
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,010
anyway.

467
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,040
Right. Okay, there Nydia,

468
00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:03,180
perfect. There's an idiot. But
anyway, but I took it back and I

469
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:07,290
the furthest I could find usage
of the word was in a in a book

470
00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:10,650
called Iowa and the rebellion.
And it was used by the author of

471
00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:15,780
that book in 1866. And he said
by it, he said By and large, and

472
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:18,840
then I thought I found an 1847
reference, but the date was

473
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,420
actually mismanaged by
Microsoft, it was actually

474
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:26,730
January 1926. So that didn't
count. But anyway, so I've

475
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:30,810
gotten it as far back as 1866.
And that so I don't, so it'll

476
00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:34,830
probably be impossible to figure
out who popularised it. Because

477
00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:36,720
it's just, I think it's lost to
history,

478
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:39,390
but we should clearly stop using
that term.

479
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:47,190
One that you want to consider
yourself a rustic. Anyway, so

480
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:50,460
that's this as far as I've
gotten. So the quest continues

481
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:54,570
to Illinois. Me. Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe it'll trigger some guys

482
00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:58,080
who you know, have the better.

483
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:05,970
You know, Georgia. I gotta tell
you that this get the Skype guys

484
00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:08,100
on the phone. sucks ass.

485
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:12,060
Yeah, sometimes it's the time
we're talking.

486
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:14,910
And now you're really cutting in
and out. I mean, when you hear

487
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:17,700
it, you'll be like, Oh, shit,
man. I mean, you can follow the

488
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:21,720
conversation. But it's, it's at
times. It's pretty fucking bad.

489
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,690
And I'm just thinking, why don't
we set this up, so we just do it

490
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:25,830
on the fucking phone?

491
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:30,330
I think the phone is too, it
doesn't have a clarity.

492
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:35,730
Well, so that's there's two
things First, the idea of, you

493
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:38,970
know, this show, basically,
because the way the show is

494
00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:42,690
published, it auto assembles you
know, you get episode after

495
00:28:42,690 --> 00:28:47,490
episode. So there's nothing
against us doing a phone call or

496
00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:50,820
not doing a five minute
conversation about something. If

497
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:53,700
it were really easy, right? If I
just if I just had a had

498
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,370
something I called you or you
know, even even we said now call

499
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:59,580
tomorrow at noon or whatever.
And it would just kind of

500
00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:02,430
happen, you know, just call in
and then boom, the show is

501
00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:05,820
released. That's one thought.
And then that's it. That's all

502
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:09,120
we have. And then the other one
is just technology. This just

503
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,510
sucks. This is this is no, this
is no fun. It's unreliable shit.

504
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,690
You know, it's funny because
you're sounding great.

505
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:20,670
Well, it's either, you know, as
we were discussing just just

506
00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:28,170
before we hit record, I'm on.
I'm not on British Telecom. And

507
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:31,980
you're on Comcast. And you know,
whenever we first established

508
00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:34,950
the connection every single week
is the same thing. It's like it

509
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:37,980
gets better within a minute or
two and I'm thinking you know,

510
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:40,920
is this the packet should you
know the bandwidth shaping the

511
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,030
packet? prioritisation that's
going on? You know that oh, this

512
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:47,550
is not BitTorrent. Oh, maybe it
is bit torrent. Let's cut it for

513
00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:50,250
a second. Yeah, it literally
sounds like that sometimes.

514
00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:54,690
Let me see. You know, I might
have a background cast because

515
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:57,450
you sound good, but I sound bad.
Maybe it's my fault.

516
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000
No, but it's not just you
sounding bad. You can get

517
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
couldn't hear the bandwidth just
being shut off. It's a bandwidth

518
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,690
thing, you know, years of
fucking voice over IP has taught

519
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,850
me that this is what it sounds.
And I know because if I go to

520
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:12,840
your site, and maybe it's my
incoming bandwidth, if I go to

521
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,690
your site while you're talking
and it's loading pictures, then

522
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,220
then all of a sudden it starts
to crunch. So I'm clearly not

523
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:23,250
getting enough bits from you.
And whether it's my end of year

524
00:30:23,250 --> 00:30:29,760
as probably on my end fuckers
that I lose, you

525
00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:32,010
know, you sound good. You sound
good,

526
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,980
well, then you're good, then you
should be recording on your end.

527
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,560
Well, you know, that's a thought

528
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:41,520
job. Anyway, what if we had,
what if we had a mobile setup

529
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,770
something that was really
convenient? I mean, would that

530
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:46,320
be a format to try and do
something every day? I'm really

531
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,620
trying to, you know, look at
some fun project for 2008.

532
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:51,720
Because clearly you and I don't
have enough to do.

533
00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:57,420
Yeah, well, it's always good to
sit in bullshit on the phone

534
00:30:57,420 --> 00:31:02,490
once in a while. Yeah, you know,
that's the how would that work?

535
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:04,140
I wonder what people haven't?
You know, the thing is, of

536
00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:08,910
course, a daily show is where
the is where the money is?

537
00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:13,860
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's where the money is,

538
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:14,340
baby.

539
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,870
Well, I mean, the Daily Show is
where the money is. it at some

540
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:19,290
point,

541
00:31:20,189 --> 00:31:22,889
there was another thought I had,
okay, bear with me on this,

542
00:31:22,889 --> 00:31:25,049
because this is should have been
thinking about a lot over the

543
00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:29,219
past couple days. So I truly
believe that in the not too

544
00:31:29,219 --> 00:31:31,589
distant future, maybe five
years, let's just make it easy

545
00:31:31,589 --> 00:31:35,879
on ourselves. In in five years,
there will be enough ubiquitous

546
00:31:35,879 --> 00:31:39,869
bandwidth around and, and
streaming capabilities that

547
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:42,569
essentially will just have
digital radios. I mean, it's

548
00:31:42,569 --> 00:31:47,579
it's what Dav already is. But
it'll be two way. And so you'll

549
00:31:47,579 --> 00:31:49,679
be able to stream certainly
you'll be at you can do that

550
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:54,389
today over you know, over your
your mobile phone. The price may

551
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:56,969
vary depending on your plan and
where you live and all that

552
00:31:56,969 --> 00:32:01,289
shit. But bar, the subways, you
know, you can probably I've done

553
00:32:01,289 --> 00:32:04,709
i chats with Pete with with KJ
with Chris Jacob on while he was

554
00:32:04,709 --> 00:32:08,219
on the train, you know, coming
down from from upstate New York.

555
00:32:08,249 --> 00:32:12,479
So we can we can get a stream
out there. What if we had a

556
00:32:12,479 --> 00:32:16,859
stream? That is essentially 24
hours a day, and we just keep

557
00:32:16,859 --> 00:32:20,969
adding to it? Right? So if you
drop in, you'll hear the

558
00:32:20,969 --> 00:32:23,819
conversation, then eventually,
you'll get up to a point that

559
00:32:23,819 --> 00:32:26,159
you've already heard and then
you're up to date. And when you

560
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:30,869
check in again. Fuck I don't
know if it would work, something

561
00:32:30,869 --> 00:32:31,409
like that. I

562
00:32:31,410 --> 00:32:34,200
think what you're describing,
it's some sort of an audio

563
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,950
Twitter

564
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:43,470
which actually exists, but I
wanted it does. Yeah, Dave Winer

565
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:48,630
put something together, where
you literally you call in to a

566
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:52,560
phone number. And you leave a
message. It's limited. They've

567
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
limited it to, I don't know, one
minute or something like that to

568
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,260
keep within the, the scope of
Twitter or wherever. And then

569
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:05,070
people who follow you receive a
URL, and then you can also you

570
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:08,730
know, then I think where that
broke down is Twitter doesn't do

571
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,240
enclosures in their RSS feeds or
something like that. But it's

572
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,110
you know, there are it's
certainly possible

573
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:20,580
that this the idea, the idea of
this thing you're describing

574
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:23,190
that Dave Winer did is that
somebody you call this number

575
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:26,970
say, Yeah, I'm standing here on
the corner of fourth and seventh

576
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,480
and I'm can't figure out which
way to walk because the next

577
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,510
street is 50 and the other one
is six. But if I go to six and

578
00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:36,000
50, it's like what kind of
street number they're doing.

579
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,300
Yeah.

580
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:41,310
And Scott Scoble. You rock,
dude. We got y'all, you gotta

581
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:44,160
put that in there. If you're on
Twitter, he does. He has a

582
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,380
Scoble. Do you rock? Anyway, so
yeah, then then you hang up, and

583
00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:54,330
then your twitter then publishes
a URL, Twitter gramme or

584
00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:56,910
something like that. And I don't
know. I'd have to look into it.

585
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:57,870
But yeah, so as you

586
00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:00,390
mentioned, you just brought
something about that needs to be

587
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,870
discussed, which is, I just want
to know, I'm just saying, can

588
00:34:03,870 --> 00:34:06,810
you hear me? Yeah, I can hear
you. So I'm just saying that.

589
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:11,280
You just mentioned somebody just
about the limiting you know, you

590
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,250
don't do 150 characters in
Twitter. 150 words? I don't even

591
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:18,060
remember. But is it because of
the guy because it was done by

592
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:20,820
the guy who invented blogging?
Did he come to the conclusion

593
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:23,580
that no, this is like
reinventing blogging without all

594
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:26,790
the boring BS that you have to
you know, either make a short

595
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:31,020
comment or nothing. Yeah, I
think so. Because most blogs

596
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:35,370
entries by these bloggers is
that they just they can't stop

597
00:34:35,370 --> 00:34:36,000
writing.

598
00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:39,900
Yeah, well, but Twitter's you
know, it's just as annoying. I

599
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,750
mean, from time to time, I'll
try it you know, like, Okay, I'm

600
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,240
gonna It's just but it's just
like chat. It's like IRC. It's

601
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:48,030
like a million things I've tried
and don't just not it's not for

602
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:52,740
me. I just don't care. And I and
I don't care to consume the

603
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:55,560
media that way. I really don't.
I want it packaged. I want it

604
00:34:55,860 --> 00:35:00,360
fed to me. I'm not I'm tired of
raw data that I have to do. You

605
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,050
know, assemble in my brain? Does
that make any sense?

606
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,050
Yeah, no, I feel the same way as
you. But that's because we're

607
00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:07,680
getting old.

608
00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:12,179
Well, exactly. So there's a huge
market of old people and, and

609
00:35:12,179 --> 00:35:15,299
that's where the money is John,
a daily show that's packaged for

610
00:35:15,299 --> 00:35:18,329
these fuckers. Let's put
together in an easy fucking way

611
00:35:18,329 --> 00:35:22,439
where you listen to a fucking
stream of something if you want

612
00:35:22,439 --> 00:35:26,459
to go get the podcast and have
it downloaded sure we'll make

613
00:35:26,459 --> 00:35:28,829
that all work. But it's got to
be something because you always

614
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:32,459
think and look in radio. I get a
lot of feedback on the show and

615
00:35:32,459 --> 00:35:35,489
people you know about the length
of it. We're 35 minutes now. And

616
00:35:35,489 --> 00:35:36,269
my sister said we

617
00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:39,060
should have it. We should have a
drunk driver. I'm sorry,

618
00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:43,650
drinking a drinking game. And
but the game is when you use the

619
00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:45,930
word fuck because it's it's
pretty funny.

620
00:35:46,169 --> 00:35:48,149
I'm sorry. No, it's

621
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:50,220
okay. I don't care. I'm just
saying though. But you make a

622
00:35:50,220 --> 00:35:51,240
great drinking game.

623
00:35:51,269 --> 00:35:53,759
Okay, well, so you can use the
show as a drinking game is what

624
00:35:53,759 --> 00:35:54,239
you're saying?

625
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,529
Yeah, absolutely. A good show is
a drinking game. Yeah,

626
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,740
I think we already have that. I
think I saw that somewhere.

627
00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:05,880
Anyway. So like my sister said
to me last night, she doesn't,

628
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,570
you know, I really like no
agenda. It's a great show. And

629
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:12,870
I'm always literally quite
honestly surprised. Like, okay.

630
00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:16,620
So but you know, an hour is
tough for me. And I'm thinking

631
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:18,840
of myself. And there are lots of
shows, you know, all the shows

632
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,210
you listen to John, you know,
like Rush Limbaugh. And, you

633
00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:23,760
know, I used to listen to Howard
Stern religiously. And, you

634
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,350
know, and I think it's because
it's, it starts and it ends. And

635
00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:32,070
you have the whole show that
unlike radio, where you people

636
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:34,410
don't realise it, but they
really do switch stations every

637
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:36,840
15 minutes. I mean, that's just
the way the radio audience

638
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,060
works. You hit commercials,
boom, you're somewhere else, you

639
00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:41,790
know, and then maybe you stick
around, maybe you drop off, but

640
00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:43,260
on average, now I'm

641
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:48,450
getting it. I'm getting it. This
is like the the beats Tina to

642
00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:52,890
death thing. Took me a while. So
yeah, no, I'm getting what

643
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:56,730
you're suggesting is that it's a
it's a virtualized show that

644
00:36:56,730 --> 00:37:00,510
just as a never ending stream,
it's not an hour show or a 45

645
00:37:00,510 --> 00:37:03,210
minute show. It's just a long,
it's a show the beginning? Yeah,

646
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,960
just the first day since we did
the first episode, streaming all

647
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,840
the way to the last episode. And
when people you know, when

648
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,530
people subscribe, or go to
listen to it, they kind of pick

649
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:15,900
up at a point somewhere in the
middle of it.

650
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:19,140
Because it shouldn't be that
important. You know, I think we

651
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:22,410
can accomplish a lot more
eventually, the way it should

652
00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:26,700
work is eventually you'll get
the story, you know. And that's

653
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:29,340
a matter of there's some
technical things there. So

654
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:31,530
there's some programming things
that would have to be thought

655
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:32,880
through. Because

656
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:35,220
so it has to be like a blog
entry, though. So you'd have to

657
00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:38,190
do these snippets because this
is this the architecture that is

658
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:40,950
the problem here, you'd have a
snippet. So this last thing that

659
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:42,720
we talked about be the first
thing they listened to, and then

660
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,440
it would go backwards in time
with snippets that in reverse

661
00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:51,690
date order. Yeah. Which would
kind of not make a lot of sense,

662
00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:55,230
because I'd be explaining the by
and large thing. Now luckily.

663
00:37:56,100 --> 00:38:00,030
Luckily, luckily, with our pod
show channels, we can determine

664
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:05,340
the order of said VirtuAl Show.
So you know, so we can, we can

665
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:09,990
still do blog like snippets, but
the output of our RSS, if you

666
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:13,440
will, or whoever we make it show
up for you. We can determine the

667
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,070
order. So we could actually
experiment with this without

668
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:19,830
getting fucking engineering
involved is my point.

669
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:23,490
Yeah, well, good luck with that.
Now, here's what I see is the

670
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:27,240
issue. I think this is a great
idea, by the way, said there's

671
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:30,060
there's a complication here,
which is, for example, we'll go

672
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:34,290
back to the by and large rant.
Yeah, we have to do to make this

673
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:37,800
work, right, we'd have to
actually document what we're

674
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,510
talking about in some logical
way. Were indexed sounds like

675
00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:45,870
there you have it. There you go.
Sounds like work.

676
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:49,740
Well, clearly, that's a
nonstarter. So we have to think

677
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:54,150
this through a little bit more
about the audience I mean, can

678
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:57,240
we get get your guy's Baba like
that involve? How on

679
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,610
on that? Well, but I don't know
about Baba, but he's just seems

680
00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:03,060
to be like it is witsand
already, but I'm thinking this.

681
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:06,030
By the way, I'm not I'm not
trying to poach your guys. John.

682
00:39:06,030 --> 00:39:06,960
I'm just saying.

683
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:10,620
I would probably do it. But
actually, there's another guy

684
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:13,290
that probably would do it for
sure. But I don't want them

685
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:15,810
doing it. I think because what
you brought up was the fact that

686
00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:18,390
we like to package stuff because
we're getting old and the kids

687
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:21,240
they like to do all this stuff
themselves is to get a team of

688
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,350
volunteer kids. Yeah. You know,
by our standards, kids, anyone.

689
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:28,350
Have them have them? Mashup
shows.

690
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Exactly. I think there'd be more
than a few volunteers for that.

691
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:39,360
Interesting. Well, it sounds
like it certainly could be done.

692
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,070
I mean, so if we were able to

693
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,950
participation, it would be like
participation broadcasting

694
00:39:43,950 --> 00:39:46,980
that's the term we'll call it
and participation broadcasting

695
00:39:47,550 --> 00:39:50,400
because nobody uses will use it.
Because it's like you're you're

696
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,870
actually doing the editing out
there.

697
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,750
You really liked that name
participation to participate in

698
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,470
the sounds like they know I
don't like the name. I don't

699
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:59,040
like the name.

700
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,260
You don't like to name No.

701
00:40:02,939 --> 00:40:04,109
We gotta have a good name, man.

702
00:40:04,499 --> 00:40:07,379
But find a good name, whatever
the case is, I think you can get

703
00:40:07,379 --> 00:40:10,619
an audience to do that. And then
you'd have like a variety of

704
00:40:10,619 --> 00:40:14,429
shows you have like to just the
by and large rants every time we

705
00:40:14,429 --> 00:40:17,579
mentioned by and large and have
somebody edit it all together.

706
00:40:17,579 --> 00:40:19,559
So it's a nice package and
people can listen to it when

707
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:24,119
they feel like it. And you'd
have an infinite number of

708
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,669
things that you could do with
all this with just with the raw

709
00:40:26,669 --> 00:40:27,809
feed of the whole thing.

710
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:39,270
Interesting, huh? Well, I'm just
mulling it over again. You know,

711
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:43,680
my main objective is at all cost
to avoid any type of work.

712
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,030
Yeah, no, absolutely just
nothing but BS. You know, just

713
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:51,780
sit here yakking away what we
think with some experience,

714
00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:54,930
we got some knowledge we were
aware

715
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:59,490
we have a knowledge base elders.
Were elders and elders don't

716
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,620
have to do work. We're not
supposed to do work.

717
00:41:01,649 --> 00:41:03,689
That's right. Where am I fucking
virgins man

718
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:08,160
it's just like we're just a
couple of guys it's we've been

719
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,440
around the block we've seen a
lot of stuff we've makin our

720
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,230
analysis is pretty original. And
that's what people want to hear

721
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:16,860
anyway. And oh, man, it could be

722
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:21,570
my Ron Paul endorsement video
was on the news in Holland. They

723
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:24,000
did a new set kidding. No, no,
they did. I'm trying to get a

724
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,330
copy of it. I can't wait. It was
but it was like on like on an

725
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:30,720
Entertainment Tonight. Tonight
News. They kind of like, it's

726
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,540
called Heart of Holland is hard
for nade long, but heart of

727
00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:36,780
Holland is the name of the show.
And it kind of seamlessly moves

728
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:39,720
over into like an Entertainment
Tonight like segment. Like, you

729
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,870
know, Adam curry is, is
endorsing a Republican

730
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:47,880
candidate. And like I have no
idea what the nuances were but

731
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:53,250
like, interesting, hey, those of
you living in the UK, if you

732
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:57,210
didn't know already, we got a
couple of airline strikes coming

733
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,760
up. In fact, it's affecting my
travel. I'm leaving a day

734
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,180
earlier, to miss a couple of
different strikes that are

735
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:06,990
taking taking place. The
firefighters, security and

736
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:11,820
maintenance workers are planning
to 24 hour walkouts and a 48

737
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:15,990
hour strike in January. And this
will be somewhere around the

738
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:20,340
17th Virgin Airlines by the way,
going on strike on the 14th the

739
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:29,100
cabin staff are being paid less
by about 35% than other

740
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,550
comparable airlines and they
want more money very interesting

741
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:37,530
to me as huge investor in the
fucking airline

742
00:42:41,580 --> 00:42:45,690
and have a drink. So that's it.
That's all the strikes. That's

743
00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:47,040
it. That's kind of wimpy

744
00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:49,320
Well, no, I got more. I just
want to make sure I got it in

745
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,170
there. No, I did have two other
things. One,

746
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:55,080
is there a website that people
can go to that shows all the

747
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,970
strikes? That'd be a cool idea
strike

748
00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:03,030
site? I'm sure there is. I'll
look at that. Yeah, yeah, by the

749
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:05,160
way, just not that we should
really get into it. But David

750
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,370
Letterman. I guess he cut a deal
with the Writers Guild. And he's

751
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:09,450
starting up his show again.

752
00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:13,920
Yeah, I think on the fourth, the
second to the third something

753
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,880
that's next week.

754
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,050
How the hell does that work? I
mean, that's that seems lame.

755
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:25,590
I don't know how it works. I
have no idea. But he did. And I

756
00:43:25,590 --> 00:43:29,340
think I think lentils got some
sort of a deal cooking too. I

757
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:31,650
mean, Letterman was paying
everybody while they were on

758
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:32,250
strike.

759
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:35,820
Yeah, but he was just paying him
like, like a gentleman and not

760
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:40,650
hogging the camera like Lenovo
one a bit far. I felt what did

761
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:44,280
Lenovo do? I was you know, I
don't know. Lenovo. Lenovo.

762
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:48,810
Yeah, he's not as good. So I got

763
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:54,150
I got a couple of things. Here's
one I just got to put in here.

764
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:57,240
So I'm getting a lot of email.
And by the way, thank you very

765
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:04,500
much, people who heard our, our
plea to not hold back from

766
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,080
sending us stuff because you're
pretty sure a million people

767
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,920
already sent it to us. But I
think I've increased by 10%.

768
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,760
John, how about you?

769
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:15,300
I haven't gotten anything.
Really? Oh,

770
00:44:15,330 --> 00:44:19,140
I've gotten a lot of hay. I know
a million people have already

771
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:22,350
sent this to you. But here's
another one. To a lot of people

772
00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:25,950
sending this video of Ron Paul,
apparently somewhere he was

773
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:27,600
asked about

774
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,140
this thing has been around and I
was gonna blog it and the whole

775
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:33,900
thing just seems like it was an
offhanded thing. It didn't seem

776
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:34,110
to have

777
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,770
it. But yeah, I don't know. What
can I mention about this? It's

778
00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:38,940
like, Who fucking cares? I

779
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:42,450
really don't care. Well, here,
let me give you something that

780
00:44:42,450 --> 00:44:47,190
you should know. Thank you, my
son. My son who's at Evergreen

781
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:53,250
College. He says that it's his
generation under the Big Ron

782
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:56,610
Paul supporters. Yeah, I would
agree. I hope so. The Y

783
00:44:56,610 --> 00:45:02,460
generation between the ages of
18 and 27 Maybe some whatever

784
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:06,210
that demo is, but anyway, he
says that he thinks Ron Paul's a

785
00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:09,390
big phoney. Really? And he
thinks he's and he's got a lot

786
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:14,130
of friends that feel the same
way and, and sanity then a

787
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:15,420
dangerous crackpot

788
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,940
with that kid of yours in the
shape Dvorak. What's up with

789
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:18,330
that?

790
00:45:19,619 --> 00:45:23,129
I don't know. No, that's what he
says. My wife doesn't my wife's

791
00:45:23,129 --> 00:45:25,889
who's a who's a Republican who
hates bush. Then she's like a

792
00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:28,799
lifelong Republican who hates
the Bush. Bush. She didn't hate

793
00:45:28,799 --> 00:45:32,309
Bush when she was a kid, but
she's a lifelong Republican who

794
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:37,709
now hates bush to put it in the
right English. Anyway, she hates

795
00:45:37,709 --> 00:45:43,349
Ron Paul to really Oh, yeah,

796
00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:46,560
I mean, really hates a J hates a
big word, man. I mean, that's

797
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,230
more than just like, doesn't
like him wouldn't vote for him.

798
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:51,810
Hate is pretty, pretty strong.
Yeah.

799
00:45:51,810 --> 00:45:55,590
Well, I think that's probably an
accurate analysis.

800
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,980
You want to give me any insight
into that? Yeah, just so I can

801
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:01,740
figure it out myself. I asked
why? Because He's crazy. He's a

802
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:04,620
crackpot. He's dangerous. He's a
Nazi. He's this. He's, I mean,

803
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:07,530
there's no real specific thing
that anyone says, they just

804
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:08,880
think he's a big phoney.

805
00:46:09,479 --> 00:46:12,569
The man has speaking of Bush,
the man loves bush. He's

806
00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:15,479
delivered over 4000 children. I
mean, you just can't be an

807
00:46:15,479 --> 00:46:18,179
asshole. When you're in that
line of business. I've met lots

808
00:46:18,179 --> 00:46:23,279
of lots of Obstetricians. Nice
people by and large.

809
00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:28,500
I'm just telling you. Well,
that's great. I mean, I like the

810
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:31,440
guy. I've advised him on the
ballot. I'm voting for him. All

811
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,830
right.

812
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,360
Right on, but who the hell
knows? That is interesting.

813
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,180
Anyway, I agree with you. Like,
I don't care. I don't care. You

814
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:43,050
know, I've heard him say, my
route. My belief and my religion

815
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:46,170
is my burden. I'm like, Yeah,
right. That sounds right to me

816
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,900
that your fucking problem, not
mine and don't want to hire the

817
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:50,430
guy for that. I don't care.

818
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,250
Well, the other thing is, of
course, he's got the right

819
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:56,250
attitude about these. I'm still
sticking with my original theory

820
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:59,790
of two years ago, which is that
it's going to be McCain Han that

821
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:03,840
I have been paying attention to
him because you've said that and

822
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:07,260
and this of course would only be
because it's already a done deal

823
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:10,140
inside. You know, insider
knowledge. Everyone's already

824
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:12,420
it's all been squared away.
They've fixed it. However they

825
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:16,560
fix it. It's going to be McCain.
And I have to say, and I'm going

826
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,500
to turn the lady Patricia loose
on number one her opinion cuz

827
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:22,530
she's pretty good. Now and if
you if you have a chance, listen

828
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:26,700
to the last daily source code,
Patricia did the show with me.

829
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,270
And the way she talks about
bush? She's like, No, I won't

830
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:32,190
even tell you. We just gotta
listen because she's very

831
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:37,650
analytical. I think you're
right. I think it may be he is

832
00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:41,490
so fucking overconfident. He is
so laid back. You can look at

833
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:45,000
his eyes, man. Just look at his
eyes. It's almost like, Fuck,

834
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,920
man. I've got this. It's in the
pocket.

835
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:51,570
Ya know, there's that element.
Now getting back to my wife who

836
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:56,520
doesn't like Ron Paul. She
thinks she's actually if

837
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,040
anyone's going off the deep end.
And I think there's a lot of

838
00:47:59,070 --> 00:48:02,490
people that think like her. She
believes and of course, I used

839
00:48:02,490 --> 00:48:05,010
to blog this, I think I'm gonna
bring it back to the blog. She

840
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:08,400
thinks that they're going to do
a some sort of a scam thing is

841
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,940
going to happen on the next 911
because supposedly, Osama bin

842
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:16,800
Laden says expect a big
announcement. And and then Bush

843
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,610
is going to declare martial law
and keep himself in the present

844
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:24,870
in the office. Right? Forever.
This Yeah, this. I've heard this

845
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:28,320
too. And this is like, Give me a
break this. This is the crazy

846
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,760
this is like, during the Nixon
administration, there used to be

847
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,600
this conspiracy writer named
Mark lane. And Mark cullinane

848
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,120
wrote all these crazy books
about how you know, essentially,

849
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,540
Nixon was responsible for the
Kennedy assassination. Anyway,

850
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:47,100
he said that Nixon had this huge
scheme of foot, then he said it

851
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:51,090
with a straight face, a huge
scheme of foot to get himself to

852
00:48:51,090 --> 00:48:56,220
be pronounced as emperor. And
I've heard him too. I've heard

853
00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:58,470
this one too. Yeah, a whole
bunch of people bought into

854
00:48:58,470 --> 00:49:01,590
that. And I'm thinking cheese.
Come on. Well, I'll tell you

855
00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:03,870
what it is John, here's my
analysis of that. And you know,

856
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:06,900
the past six months and maybe
the past year, maybe this was

857
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,080
2007 was the year of my
awakening. And of course, they

858
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:13,740
literally has to do with age,
it's it's other my brain is

859
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:18,540
starting to function a little
differently. But, you know, I'm

860
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:23,970
a media guy. And I'm, I know how
television works. You know, I've

861
00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:27,210
been a part of the machine it is
one big it's a flickering

862
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:30,420
fucking box. Okay, it's a it's a
light box, and people are tuned

863
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:35,670
into this thing that jacked in
so deeply. I see how it affects

864
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:41,160
very rational people, how they
really believe things, and this

865
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,700
is carried over to the internet.
And so you know, I watch all of

866
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:50,010
these loose change 911 You know,
every single I watch him, but I

867
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:54,150
can I can see all the pieces to
it. And I can take away and I

868
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:57,630
can analyse that and still keep
some sanity, but, you know,

869
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,180
other people might watch I for
sure fo shizzle I'm sure your

870
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:06,180
wife and your son they don't
have that capability they have

871
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:09,000
not been able to switch that off
so that's why they get sucked

872
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,170
very deeply into these types of
stories which online I must say

873
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,310
are beautifully supported you
know it's crosslinked cross

874
00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:20,100
reference you know the network's
beautifully when you're looking

875
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,310
around for this stuff and people
forget that it's just people

876
00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:24,210
writing shit

877
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:29,910
Yeah, so what's your point? So

878
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:33,870
my point is the reason that your
wife and son hate Ron Paul the

879
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:38,670
reason why they think that you
know all of this you know, third

880
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:41,160
you know third term martial law

881
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,950
so my son by the way don't want
to he's not in that camp

882
00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:48,360
okay, but regardless is because
when they jack into any form of

883
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,800
media device, where their brains
just reading shit clicking on

884
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,380
shit, you know, it's what
television has conditioned them

885
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:59,280
to believe shit. They can't
think for themselves. They can't

886
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,190
think straight. They're jacked.
This is this is what this is my

887
00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:03,990
point they're jacked into the
matrix

888
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:09,150
thinks they can't think straight
well as Yeah, most people seem

889
00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:11,580
to be that they can't think
straight and they do it. People

890
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:14,730
do get sucked into this media
stuff. I just kind

891
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:17,520
of I've never met your wife I've
spoken to on the phone. I'm sure

892
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,690
I'm gonna love her. When I
finally meet her, but I think

893
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:25,260
she's she's jacked in edit.
She's still jacked in man. She's

894
00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:27,960
not unplugged totally. So she
can't really see that stuff. You

895
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,560
can't comes up with weird stuff.
My wife has exactly the same

896
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:31,950
humour

897
00:51:31,950 --> 00:51:36,390
that it is. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. We see it as humorous

898
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:40,050
because it is funny, even though
the public can go mad, and a

899
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:43,320
riot can ensue and a mob can
break out and you can be hung by

900
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680
a tree nearby. Thanks to this
stuff.

901
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:49,560
Well, let's do an experiment.
Let's do a really easy

902
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,710
experiment. Okay, because you
can see exactly how this works.

903
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:55,920
So the new and this blood let's
please let's this is gonna be

904
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,910
our last topic because this will
take 10 minutes. The news comes

905
00:51:59,910 --> 00:52:05,910
out Barron Hilton, Paris,
Hilton's granddaddy, the guy you

906
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:10,050
know, he's got the Hilton Ranch,
you know, this is where Fossett

907
00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:12,780
flew off from and never came
back. This guy is a fucking

908
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:16,680
legend. You know, he's
multibillionaire, somehow in the

909
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560
press, and I haven't really done
the homework yet, I'm hoping

910
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,100
you'll do some of that job. For
our, for our test. There's the

911
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,280
story that he is going this is
what I've heard, that he has

912
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:32,250
announced that 97% of the Hilton
Empire is going to be donated to

913
00:52:32,250 --> 00:52:37,470
charity. And what is what
happened within within minutes

914
00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:42,030
of this story coming out, is
that the journalists have now

915
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:46,740
calculated the so called wealth
of the barren Empire, the math

916
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:49,260
is all off as well, by the way,
but I know what they're trying

917
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:53,370
to do. So it's like, you know,
$1.7 billion, or whatever, they

918
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:56,730
say, okay, so that 3% of the
$1.7 billion, and they look at

919
00:52:56,730 --> 00:52:59,700
how many grandkids there are.
And then they look at parents

920
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,830
and they say, well, she's
probably gonna want only wind up

921
00:53:01,830 --> 00:53:05,700
with like, three to 5 million
bucks. So all of a sudden, it's

922
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:09,630
like, now there's this and we
went to Holland. And already the

923
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:13,320
news was, you know, translated
there, but a derivative of the

924
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,080
story. So now Paris was was was,
you know, there was gonna be she

925
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,850
was almost out of business. You
know, she's, she's over, she's

926
00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:27,180
done with Paris is now already
making appearances, saying, you

927
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:31,410
know, I'm a brand you know, and
you watch you watch this girl

928
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:36,510
crash and burn. Because of the
society of the spectacle. It's

929
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:41,190
totally based on shit. It means
nothing. Who knows if she was

930
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:45,180
ever going to receive any money
anyway, she's her business, to

931
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:48,810
this day has been running quite
well as Paris Hilton the brand.

932
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,760
But watch this tarnish her and
watch it go down in flames. And

933
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,580
that explains exactly how this
what what happens with the

934
00:53:56,580 --> 00:54:00,060
matrix. You know, our brains are
fucked up. You know, it's like,

935
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:03,510
hey, we can pull someone down to
at the same time. It'll make us

936
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:04,650
feel good. You watch.

937
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:10,770
Okay, I will. And that let's
find out what this guy's You

938
00:54:10,770 --> 00:54:13,380
said you wanted me to look into
something? What? Yeah, in this

939
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:18,330
whole thing? Maybe. Is this like
a true story that that or just

940
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:21,720
somebody contrived it in the
Daily Mail? I mean, I don't

941
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,330
know. John. That's what I'm
saying. We need the reason I'll

942
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:27,840
do some research to obviously
but but no one is doing that.

943
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:29,880
That's the amazing thing. No
one's doing the research. It

944
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,260
went from bet instead of $2
billion going to good in the

945
00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:38,130
fucking world to do some good.
You know, this is up there with

946
00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:42,090
the Warren Buffett with Bill
Gates Foundation. It's just a

947
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:45,420
huge amount of money. It's all
about Paris Hilton and how

948
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:47,940
little she'll make we'll have
little she'll have when this guy

949
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:51,000
finally kicks the bucket. It
makes me want to fucking throw

950
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,860
up. Oh, have another drink?

951
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,450
Well, I actually they're drunk
by now to be honest. Ah,

952
00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:02,850
you got to look into the story.

953
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:06,090
It's a good yeah, that sounds
like, this sounds like a theme

954
00:55:07,050 --> 00:55:11,400
for the show, to track down the
BS behind this whole thing and

955
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,390
what the truth is. So that way
we can maybe we can save Paris

956
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:16,440
as possible.

957
00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:21,930
If she'll blow me. Absolutely.
And my wife would be okay with

958
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:24,690
it. My wife would be okay with
it, though, would be no problem.

959
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,250
I don't think that's gonna
happen. So, but you never know.

960
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,850
Yeah. You know, if it doesn't
happen for you the way I say

961
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,200
there's no hope for the rest of
us.

962
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,750
All right. I'm gonna think a
little bit about how we can

963
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,890
restructure some of this and
have the participatory broadcast

964
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:48,780
principles enacted with our ever
expanding audience.

965
00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:52,050
Probably up to 12 by now.

966
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,470
Alright, everybody, thanks for
checking out no agenda from the

967
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:57,090
curry manner. I'm Adam curry.

968
00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:00,390
And I'm John C. Dvorak from
Silicon Valley.

969
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:03,750
And we'll talk again real soon,
probably in 2008.

970
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,670
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971
00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:12,600
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