1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,640 It's that time once again. It is time for the programme that has 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,840 absolutely no commercials, no music, no jingles. And of 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,690 course, no agenda coming to you from the curry manor in the 4 00:00:12,690 --> 00:00:14,160 United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,990 And I'm John C. Dvorak here in Northern Silicon Valley, 6 00:00:18,990 --> 00:00:19,620 California. 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,110 How's the weather there, John? When I left it was pouring down 8 00:00:22,110 --> 00:00:22,980 rain yesterday. 9 00:00:23,580 --> 00:00:26,880 It was pouring down rain yesterday, kept kept raining all 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,680 night after you'd left. And now it's fine. It's sunny. 11 00:00:32,130 --> 00:00:35,400 Oh, really? No, crap. You guys don't deserve that? 12 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:38,640 Way. Yeah, no, it's sunny right now. But there's a looks like, 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,930 let me look. Let's see here. It looks a little grim toward the 14 00:00:42,990 --> 00:00:46,260 at the bay. But I you know, the seagulls were flying in earlier 15 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:48,630 this morning. And I thought they may be a storm coming in. But 16 00:00:48,660 --> 00:00:50,010 I'm not seeing any evidence of it. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,250 Now. We got terrible weather over here. We've got winds 18 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:57,960 gusting 35 miles an hour. There's snow of North, there's, 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,630 there's been all kinds of stuff. You know, people have been 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,880 trapped in vehicles for hours on end trucks have been blown over. 21 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:09,060 You don't hear much about it. But we get our fair share of 22 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:09,930 weather over here. 23 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:14,130 Well, the UK people my experience has always been that 24 00:01:14,130 --> 00:01:15,690 they're kind of weather nutty. 25 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,349 That's actually funny. You mentioned that, Patricia and I 26 00:01:19,349 --> 00:01:22,499 have a theory if you're here in the in Dead winter. And of 27 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:24,839 course, it doesn't really snow here. It does get cold, but 28 00:01:24,839 --> 00:01:27,239 it'll kind of hover around one or two degrees above the 29 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:31,739 freezing point. The women particularly younger girls, they 30 00:01:31,739 --> 00:01:36,929 walk around with short skirts, no jacket, you know, like Ugg 31 00:01:36,929 --> 00:01:44,069 boots. And and this is rampant. And our theory is that the the 32 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:46,529 inhabitants of this island basically want to make a 33 00:01:46,529 --> 00:01:49,679 statement that says, Our weather's fine. That's not true. 34 00:01:49,859 --> 00:01:51,989 We got great weather over here. Just look at how I'm dressed. 35 00:01:53,969 --> 00:01:56,819 That's funny, that's possible. But my experience has always 36 00:01:56,819 --> 00:02:00,479 been that they seem to talk about the weather more than any 37 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:04,289 other culture. And they also have more weather reports than 38 00:02:04,289 --> 00:02:07,799 anything I've ever seen. I mean, the TV is like, you could turn 39 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:09,629 one on now I'm sure of it. Yeah. 40 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:13,979 And the weather reports, I find are pretty good. They introduced 41 00:02:13,979 --> 00:02:18,269 this new on BBC, BBC news on television, they introduced a 42 00:02:18,269 --> 00:02:21,809 new software package. I don't know about a year or so ago, a 43 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:24,359 lot of people were very upset. Any change like that, you know, 44 00:02:24,359 --> 00:02:27,149 in how you report weather people get upset about but it's really 45 00:02:27,149 --> 00:02:31,769 good. I would have to say, every single pilot, I know every 46 00:02:31,769 --> 00:02:36,179 aviator, uses that as like a baseline. Okay, now I know 47 00:02:36,179 --> 00:02:39,299 what's going to happen. Just a normal weather report the BBC 48 00:02:39,299 --> 00:02:42,299 gives and I think it's probably that's also got to be cultural. 49 00:02:42,299 --> 00:02:45,569 You know, this being a nation that's been very dependent upon 50 00:02:45,569 --> 00:02:48,899 the sea, both for transportation and for life. I guess it makes 51 00:02:48,899 --> 00:02:50,999 sense. See, 52 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:54,420 well, I just got back from Washington State, and it was 53 00:02:54,420 --> 00:02:55,770 raining and snowing up there. 54 00:02:57,990 --> 00:03:00,600 And it was 28. And you strapped on your skis. 55 00:03:02,009 --> 00:03:05,009 Now you put on some of those little spiky things or your 56 00:03:05,009 --> 00:03:06,599 shoes, so you don't fall. But 57 00:03:08,460 --> 00:03:10,020 so it was good hanging with the family? 58 00:03:11,310 --> 00:03:15,360 Yeah, I was. Yeah, we had to my daughter had some, something she 59 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:21,390 had to do on stage. And. And, yeah, it was, it's a good thing. 60 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:24,420 As you know, we were getting a lot of one of the reasons I had 61 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:28,590 to go up there is to drag down some of the meat that we buy up 62 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:33,600 there we have, you know, when you're in the more rural areas, 63 00:03:34,050 --> 00:03:36,960 even though it's not that rural, but they're still you can get 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,710 lot you know, you buy into animals that people raise and 65 00:03:40,710 --> 00:03:43,440 they're raised without, you know, they're raised and have 66 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,180 just a few of them are raised where they 67 00:03:45,449 --> 00:03:48,689 do buy a share of an animal or do you buy a home and buy a half 68 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:53,130 a cow or a half a pig or a whole animal ruins really but you you 69 00:03:53,130 --> 00:03:57,480 get like, the quality does not mean you get a certain breeds, 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,600 you know, there's a lot of this has been lost to history in a 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,240 little in the United States. Anyway, not so much in France, 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,350 for example, but we have, you know, there's different breeds 73 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:11,310 of pigs, and they all taste different. Nobody would know 74 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:17,010 that if they shopped at Safeway. Fact is they all have extremely 75 00:04:17,010 --> 00:04:21,180 different characteristics and some are like, we got some bacon 76 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:24,060 in this this last pig. That's just astonishing. I mean, it's 77 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:24,540 just like 78 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:26,160 so where do you where do you keep it? Do you have 79 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,280 a meat locker or yet to have a bit yet to have a big freezer 80 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:31,890 right and so you freeze 81 00:04:31,889 --> 00:04:35,009 half I'm starting to wrap it I'm really intrigued you freeze half 82 00:04:35,009 --> 00:04:38,369 a carcass or or do you put your 83 00:04:38,849 --> 00:04:41,999 butcher Okay, no, no, it goes to a butcher beforehand and he and 84 00:04:41,999 --> 00:04:44,969 you tell him what you want. You say look, I want it cut this way 85 00:04:44,969 --> 00:04:47,999 or I want you know, yes for French cuts or American cuts or 86 00:04:47,999 --> 00:04:51,029 you can have big pieces or big rows depends on what you want. 87 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:55,109 And you try to figure out what you're going to do. It's not you 88 00:04:55,109 --> 00:04:57,359 know, you always screw it up, you end up with a bunch of stuff 89 00:04:57,359 --> 00:05:00,599 stuff you don't want. Not another one nobody's 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,930 no more BLTs Dad please. 91 00:05:04,649 --> 00:05:09,299 So anyway you didn't then it's all frozen. And then you pull it 92 00:05:09,299 --> 00:05:10,889 out and throw it out as soon as you need it. 93 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:15,150 Interesting and you do this with pork or with beef or both or 94 00:05:15,929 --> 00:05:18,839 pork beef and and lambs. Wow, 95 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:21,270 we should probably I'm sorry go ahead. 96 00:05:21,690 --> 00:05:26,430 No, go ahead. I mean it's just like you could probably do that 97 00:05:26,430 --> 00:05:29,580 in a British I mean, I'm sure in Britain There's people doing the 98 00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:32,370 same thing. It's just you have to be in the right loop. 99 00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:39,240 Yeah. patrician I've been talking about this for a while 100 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,530 now that you know because we usually go to either Sainsbury's 101 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,620 or Marks and Spencer over here at Marks and Spencer which is 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,740 you know, a little more upscale but it's still all prepackaged 103 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:55,380 food and you know just and I'm probably the past three or four 104 00:05:55,380 --> 00:05:57,930 months we've been saying you know, we really should find a 105 00:05:57,930 --> 00:06:00,660 real before we don't really eat that much meat anyway of any 106 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:04,350 kind so it's really chicken fish and then once in a while some 107 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:08,730 beef but you know when we get beef it's so hard here. Lamb no 108 00:06:08,730 --> 00:06:12,480 problem but really good beef is I find really hard to find here 109 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,290 the UK. So we were thinking about finding a butcher and 110 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,870 that's that's an interesting idea though because you buy into 111 00:06:18,870 --> 00:06:22,650 the animal from the farm before it even gets into the process of 112 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:24,150 going to the butcher etc. 113 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:27,990 Right? And I'm sure you can do that there I mean, because you 114 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:31,320 can do this everywhere you just some places it's harder to do in 115 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,890 some places since so much demand that you can't get a good price 116 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 generally speaking, you should be paying half of what you'd 117 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,760 would put pay at the store so it's at the end of quality is 118 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,180 100 times better because they're grass fed you can get him at you 119 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:49,560 know different I mean this beef that we have that we just got I 120 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,260 think the thing was nine months old so it was like you know 121 00:06:52,260 --> 00:06:54,990 still taking notes real tender that piece pieces a little 122 00:06:54,990 --> 00:06:58,200 smaller than the usual the stakes are about half the size, 123 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,380 but still done by the pound so it doesn't make any difference. 124 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,400 And still, by the way, I'm sorry but we do also get chickens this 125 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:11,910 way. And and also turkeys, we get heritage birds. There's a 126 00:07:11,910 --> 00:07:15,240 couple of farmers in Washington state that did grow heritage 127 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:20,910 animals that are astonishing if you have a turkey a heritage 128 00:07:20,910 --> 00:07:24,330 bird one of the old types of Turkeys that made Turkey 129 00:07:24,330 --> 00:07:27,900 popular. You can see why Turkey became so popular in the United 130 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:30,900 States because these birds do not taste like Turkey. They 131 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:34,110 actually taste like a giant pheasant. And 132 00:07:34,380 --> 00:07:36,870 for the for those of you who have tasted pheasant before 133 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,430 Well, most people should have if they haven't, but if not, you 134 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:43,800 know I mean pheasants it absolutely deleted it's a little 135 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,320 hard to cook but because you have to hit it just right but 136 00:07:46,470 --> 00:07:49,230 unlike a lot of these things like duck you can be pretty 137 00:07:49,230 --> 00:07:49,710 liberal. 138 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:54,300 I think that this type of purchasing of meat and poultry I 139 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:57,780 think a lot of people might have a problem with it because I 140 00:07:57,780 --> 00:08:01,470 believe we've become very conditioned to not putting any 141 00:08:01,470 --> 00:08:05,220 type of well obviously not a human face but putting a living 142 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:09,210 being face or being confronted with the process of because you 143 00:08:09,210 --> 00:08:11,700 just said oh you know this so we've got beef that was nine 144 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:15,450 months old and of course my brains gone. Oh wow, man, you 145 00:08:15,450 --> 00:08:19,140 know little little calf grew up nine months old because guess 146 00:08:19,140 --> 00:08:21,210 the electrodes how are they killed? Are they are they 147 00:08:21,210 --> 00:08:22,920 slaughtered in a specific way? 148 00:08:24,210 --> 00:08:26,640 I think you're forced to listen to Robert Scoble. 149 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,750 Oh, man, I listened to that interview on tech five. I didn't 150 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:39,300 already berated you for it. And by the way Davo is this is a 151 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:45,360 big, rich person circle jerk up in and it was a new Geneva now. 152 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,160 It's got an A Campion Geneva and I 153 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,740 think it's in the northern part. Where he that's a good question. 154 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:51,900 We could look it up. But it's in the middle of nowhere 155 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:52,680 Switzerland. 156 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:59,100 And it's, you know, if you never hear any or I haven't seen any 157 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:03,660 substantial news or any reports, any substantial reports about 158 00:09:03,660 --> 00:09:07,740 the keynotes or about what basically people were talking 159 00:09:07,740 --> 00:09:11,100 about all you read about in the newspaper was, you know, 160 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:15,330 princess, so and so crying so and so Prime Minister this dude 161 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:18,450 was there. They were called hobnobbing and of course in San 162 00:09:18,450 --> 00:09:21,870 Francisco in the Silicon Valley trade and basically online. It's 163 00:09:22,110 --> 00:09:24,810 all about Michael Arrington the Google boys who gets on the 164 00:09:24,810 --> 00:09:28,590 Google jet. The Scoble. I mean, what kind of economic forum is 165 00:09:28,590 --> 00:09:32,730 this it to me, I believe, and I do have science dynamic forum. 166 00:09:32,730 --> 00:09:37,470 Yeah, it's a it's a conference scammed I heard that. I know a 167 00:09:37,470 --> 00:09:40,920 group I won't say who but I know a group who was presenting this 168 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,550 year and they was a venture capital firm. And they were 169 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:48,660 presenting it I think it's almost like pay to play it feels 170 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:52,290 like I think they had to pay 200 grand for like you know for 171 00:09:52,290 --> 00:09:56,160 hotel rooms and a spot on the stage. It's a it's a conference 172 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,470 scam. I don't see what else it is. I never seen anything come 173 00:09:58,470 --> 00:09:59,010 out of it. 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,250 Oh, no, it's a drinking club. Come on. 175 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,590 There you go drinking club. That's it. That's it. 176 00:10:06,569 --> 00:10:11,189 Yeah, it's like, and everybody, you know, there's a lot of 177 00:10:11,189 --> 00:10:13,709 journalists that go to it too. And they all, you know, scurry 178 00:10:13,709 --> 00:10:16,019 over there, and I didn't ever get anything out of it. It's 179 00:10:16,019 --> 00:10:19,019 just like, I can't imagine that. I know, the New York Times sends 180 00:10:19,019 --> 00:10:22,319 a couple of people and I can't imagine how they get cost 181 00:10:22,319 --> 00:10:25,019 effectively, you know, you want to buy newspapers are going out 182 00:10:25,019 --> 00:10:26,639 of business. Why are they covering this event? 183 00:10:27,569 --> 00:10:29,819 They probably get an interview or two out of it. I'm sure that, 184 00:10:29,819 --> 00:10:32,309 you know, I've seen exclusive interviews that that'll come 185 00:10:32,309 --> 00:10:38,309 out, but it's rarely about the state of the world. economic 186 00:10:38,309 --> 00:10:39,839 health seems 187 00:10:40,259 --> 00:10:43,409 an interview with these people without going to Davos. 188 00:10:43,469 --> 00:10:47,009 Yeah, well, but it's, I mean, it is handy. It's easy, right? It's 189 00:10:47,009 --> 00:10:50,669 like CES, if you're in the technology press, isn't it 190 00:10:50,669 --> 00:10:54,449 easier to you know, you went there, you know, make sense? So 191 00:10:54,449 --> 00:10:56,879 economic writers, they'll go there. And it's basically just 192 00:10:56,879 --> 00:10:59,969 for the interviews, but what is the actual conference about? 193 00:11:00,119 --> 00:11:02,729 What is this forum? You know, what do what do they do there? 194 00:11:02,729 --> 00:11:04,979 What, who decides something, anything? 195 00:11:05,669 --> 00:11:07,739 They have a bunch of give a bunch of speeches, and people 196 00:11:07,739 --> 00:11:09,809 sit in the audience and listen, and then they all, you know, 197 00:11:09,809 --> 00:11:15,059 shoot the breeze in the hallways. And I don't like any 198 00:11:15,059 --> 00:11:18,719 of these events. I mean, whether it's ces or, you know, this 199 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:21,149 thing, I've never been to Davos and but I wouldn't, you know, I 200 00:11:21,149 --> 00:11:23,789 wouldn't want to go. I mean, it's like, like, talk to Scoble 201 00:11:23,789 --> 00:11:27,149 after that, that and he says it took them 27 hours to get there. 202 00:11:27,239 --> 00:11:31,859 Well, he wasn't on the on the Google. He was a little annoyed. 203 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:33,899 He wasn't on the Google jet. He should have been on the Google 204 00:11:33,899 --> 00:11:37,439 jet. And the thing is, is that Jim O'Reilly was on the Google 205 00:11:37,439 --> 00:11:38,879 jet. Apparently, he went to 206 00:11:39,390 --> 00:11:44,730 talk to Google jet man. I'd never want to be on the Google 207 00:11:44,730 --> 00:11:49,590 jet. I really would not unless they bought me. And I'm talking 208 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:53,820 about my company. I'm talking about me, then I'll go into I 209 00:11:53,820 --> 00:12:00,510 was I was flying back on oh, by the way, I bumped into Jan and 210 00:12:00,510 --> 00:12:04,410 John who run Have you ever heard of magnitude? It's a record that 211 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:06,600 a very successful it's not actually really it's kind of 212 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,360 like a record label. They've been around for five years. And 213 00:12:09,390 --> 00:12:11,940 these guys must be doing something right, because I've 214 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:16,110 bumped into him a couple times. And they're always flying upper 215 00:12:16,110 --> 00:12:21,390 class. I can't remember why I was gonna tell you this story. 216 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,230 Lee bumped into him. Yeah, it'll come back 217 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:28,680 to me anyway. So in the lounge, I picked up my favourite 218 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:32,580 newspaper The Financial Times. And right there on page two. So 219 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:39,150 the inside page, rich non Dom's preparing to leave UK. And this 220 00:12:39,150 --> 00:12:44,220 goes back to the conversation we had about the tax changes here 221 00:12:44,220 --> 00:12:44,910 in the UK. 222 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:46,920 Oh, yeah. What's going on? Again? 223 00:12:47,789 --> 00:12:52,649 we recap it. Yeah. So they're, they're changing the way 224 00:12:54,299 --> 00:12:57,449 particularly capital gains taxes is handled in the United 225 00:12:57,449 --> 00:13:00,059 Kingdom. First of all, I believe that capital gains tax is going 226 00:13:00,059 --> 00:13:05,099 up for every one anyway, from 10 to 18%, which is almost double, 227 00:13:05,429 --> 00:13:08,459 and is obviously less attractive to a number of people for a 228 00:13:08,459 --> 00:13:11,339 number of reasons. But what they want to do now is they wanted 229 00:13:11,729 --> 00:13:16,349 tax tax size, people who live in the UK, yet have offshore 230 00:13:16,349 --> 00:13:20,519 assets, they want to tax them for all capital gains, which 231 00:13:20,999 --> 00:13:23,939 currently is not the case. So as long as you don't bring it into 232 00:13:23,939 --> 00:13:27,809 the UK, or under certain, if you remit it under certain 233 00:13:27,809 --> 00:13:31,829 circumstances, you don't have to pay the capital gains. And the 234 00:13:31,859 --> 00:13:36,239 biggest problem, of course, is for US citizens, who are obliged 235 00:13:36,239 --> 00:13:39,389 worldwide, regardless where they live or what they do, or where 236 00:13:39,389 --> 00:13:42,479 they pay taxes to pay capital gains tax effectively for me, 237 00:13:42,479 --> 00:13:47,879 resulting if it passes in April, in double taxation, so if I made 238 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,969 a capital gains, then I would effectively be paying something 239 00:13:50,969 --> 00:13:57,089 like 40% In total, so the the opening of the story, more than 240 00:13:57,089 --> 00:14:00,569 half of the wealthiest people in Britain are planning to leave or 241 00:14:00,569 --> 00:14:04,139 scale back their UK investments in response to the tax crackdown 242 00:14:04,139 --> 00:14:07,889 on the non domiciled foreigners according to a survey. And 243 00:14:07,949 --> 00:14:11,099 Switzerland, interestingly, has emerged as by far the most 244 00:14:11,099 --> 00:14:14,189 popular destination for the wealthy individuals leaving 245 00:14:14,189 --> 00:14:14,639 Britain. 246 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,250 Gee, go figure. But how about that dot ladies and gentlemen, 247 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:20,910 shots? 248 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:25,350 Yeah, but they're really doing this. And so the Treasury who 249 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:28,920 collects or who sets these rules up for the Inland Revenue to 250 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,760 collect the UK version of the IRS, they believe that this will 251 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,020 bring in more money 252 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,650 into sounds like the opposite effect is going to happen. Well, 253 00:14:37,650 --> 00:14:38,040 yeah, that's 254 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,400 what so that's what who's fighting this? Oh, the, of 255 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,130 course, tax consultants are fighting this or, you know, 256 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:46,680 trying to convince them differently. They think it's 257 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,290 going to get them 800. So the revenue believes it will bring 258 00:14:49,290 --> 00:14:56,220 in 800 million more on an annual basis. And the tax advisers are 259 00:14:56,220 --> 00:15:00,270 saying that probably 44 billion will leave the country If this 260 00:15:00,270 --> 00:15:01,500 is actually implemented 261 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,610 well, that's a typical kind of bonehead thing that happens when 262 00:15:05,610 --> 00:15:08,490 you get people who just want to text a crap body. The you know, 263 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:10,620 this is how the American Revolution began, of course. 264 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,570 Was it around taxation? Oh, yeah. King George wanted to tax 265 00:15:15,570 --> 00:15:16,380 is everyone right? 266 00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:20,850 If there's a word such as tax size, yeah, it's 267 00:15:20,850 --> 00:15:24,450 a new Adam curry invented word. Let me look up on Wikipedia that 268 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:25,830 I invented that Hold on. I'll be right back. 269 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:30,089 So the the irony of it, if people who studied American 270 00:15:30,089 --> 00:15:32,849 history, the irony is not so much that they raise the taxes, 271 00:15:32,849 --> 00:15:35,669 or they're actually in fact lowered them, but they decided 272 00:15:35,669 --> 00:15:41,639 to enforce the law. That was the problem. And which baffled 273 00:15:41,669 --> 00:15:44,519 George King George, because he was see, well, you know, I'm 274 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:48,029 giving these guys a break. And now they're all up in arms about 275 00:15:48,029 --> 00:15:50,339 it doesn't make any sense. He's Americans are crazy. But what 276 00:15:50,339 --> 00:15:54,809 happened was they actually decided to collect the taxes as 277 00:15:54,809 --> 00:15:57,449 opposed to previously they weren't, you know, the taxes 278 00:15:57,449 --> 00:16:01,439 were just a bunch of scofflaws. Nobody was paying the tax. And 279 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,319 once they started collecting it, then everyone got up in arms. 280 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:06,899 And I think that's what we're looking at here. I mean, I you 281 00:16:06,899 --> 00:16:10,349 know, the probably can only put up with so much taxation and if 282 00:16:10,349 --> 00:16:11,909 they're not getting anything for their money. 283 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:16,710 Did you read the follow up on Wesley Snipes? If you recall, he 284 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:21,330 was they were looking for him a couple months back back for like 285 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:26,070 $7 million in back taxes they were trying to nail him for. And 286 00:16:26,070 --> 00:16:30,240 I read the there was I guess there was a hearing. And and it 287 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:36,180 turns out that he Wesley Snipes is one of these non tax people 288 00:16:36,570 --> 00:16:40,170 who, of course, I'm one of them as well, except I pay the taxes. 289 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:43,290 You know, there's there's a large, I would say a substantial 290 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:47,460 group of people, including Ron Paul, who believed that the IRS 291 00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:52,410 that the tax they levy is illegal and unconstitutional and 292 00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:56,610 Wesley Snipes had essentially filed, filed into or not filed 293 00:16:56,610 --> 00:16:58,530 for several years and said I don't have to pay this is 294 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:02,550 unconstitutional. So he's he might. 295 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:06,870 Now he was able to understand I'm sorry, I understand was just 296 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:09,420 reading this yesterday. I understand that he they think 297 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:13,200 finally went to did some trial he got found that he you know, 298 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,460 he's he's not liable, 299 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:17,040 because he got bad advice from his best. 300 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:21,150 But he has to pay $21 million in fees and the rest of it. 301 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,999 I don't I don't see the 21 million. I thought I saw 302 00:17:23,999 --> 00:17:26,069 something like three, maybe three? 303 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:29,279 Maybe it was 17. I thought it was a higher number than three. 304 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:31,829 I thought it was like in the millions in the in the two digit 305 00:17:31,829 --> 00:17:32,699 millions. Yeah. 306 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:35,370 Well, he I think he made a lot of money. He might have spent a 307 00:17:35,370 --> 00:17:36,090 lot too. 308 00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:38,970 I don't think he's got my understanding is he hasn't got 309 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:39,420 this money. 310 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:43,260 I don't I don't think a lot of people have a $21 million cash 311 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:45,390 laying around to pay or the IRS I think a 312 00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:48,390 bunch of these celebrities who got in a hole like that. And 313 00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:50,670 they essentially I forget one of them. i There's a story about 314 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,230 one of them on the television recently. Will 315 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:54,000 Smith Will Smith. The 316 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:58,890 Smith Exactly. Apparently went and did a whole bunch of work, 317 00:17:59,070 --> 00:18:00,840 you know, did a bunch of movies and everything else and 318 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,650 essentially every penny except some, you know, the portion for 319 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:07,530 his expenses, went to the IRS until he paid them off. It took 320 00:18:07,530 --> 00:18:09,060 him like five years or something like Yeah, 321 00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:14,339 I saw the report. And I remember the numbers exactly he made. He 322 00:18:14,339 --> 00:18:18,809 made $5 million on the parents just don't understand. That was 323 00:18:18,809 --> 00:18:22,529 his that was his big hit before the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. And 324 00:18:22,529 --> 00:18:25,289 he said he just blew it all he said he just spent that everyone 325 00:18:25,289 --> 00:18:28,379 everything anything he wanted. And then the IRS showed up. And 326 00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:32,039 of course he didn't have any, any money left. Barely. And 327 00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:35,129 you're right, it was 70 cents of every dollar he made after that 328 00:18:35,129 --> 00:18:38,939 for five years, went to the IRS until he had paid off his his 329 00:18:40,529 --> 00:18:46,019 debt. So anyway, so Wesley Snipes didn't pay because he 330 00:18:46,019 --> 00:18:47,069 felt he didn't have to. 331 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:52,110 You know, I love this, the idea that, you know, there's no you 332 00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:55,620 see, this area's crops up every year, you know, a bunch of 333 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:58,290 people saying, you know, there's no, show me the law that says I 334 00:18:58,290 --> 00:19:02,460 have to pay my taxes. There is no John, there is no law. Yeah, 335 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:04,890 and the other one is, you know, I don't It's not constitution. 336 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,890 There's a whole bunch of these things. And it's like, okay, 337 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:11,850 this is like, guys. Somebody explained to me once how, you 338 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:16,170 know, the RICO act, came into play, and it was never really 339 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:19,440 fully tested, because there's some constitutionalist think 340 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,710 that that Rico law, which is used to crack down on organised 341 00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:26,040 crime, and then was extended to all kinds of other things. It 342 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,050 was really not really constitutional, but there's so 343 00:19:28,050 --> 00:19:32,310 much case law behind it, backing it up that now it's too late to 344 00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:36,300 do anything to stop it. And that's essentially the 345 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:38,790 situation. Yeah, maybe there is no law, you can point your 346 00:19:38,790 --> 00:19:41,400 finger out. But there's a there's an organisation that 347 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,980 collects the money, they can take your money out, they can 348 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:46,050 take all the money out of all your bank accounts. What 349 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:47,790 difference does it make if there's a law or not if they 350 00:19:47,790 --> 00:19:50,940 have these powers? Yeah, you can protest it. So what what's the 351 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:54,120 point? I always thought it was crazy to like, you know, these 352 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,430 kinds of protests. I mean, there's the better things to do 353 00:19:56,430 --> 00:19:59,220 with your time than complain about the fact that the IRS 354 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:00,750 doesn't there's no law For the IRS? 355 00:20:00,780 --> 00:20:04,980 Well, you know, I'm kind of on the fence about this. First of 356 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:08,550 all, I agree with you that the jurisprudence is there and you 357 00:20:08,550 --> 00:20:11,820 know, it's senseless to not pay and then things are not going to 358 00:20:11,820 --> 00:20:15,480 catch up with you. And they do have a tremendous amount of 359 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,270 power. I think the IRS is more powerful than most departments 360 00:20:18,270 --> 00:20:23,310 in the United States. You know, what, what really irks me about 361 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:27,720 most Inland Revenue, whether it's the IRS or what haven't had 362 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:30,480 any problems here in the UK, I'm sure it will come is exactly 363 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,450 that. You know, that just always picking out you and trying to 364 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:39,000 get stuff and Oh, man. It's just annoying, you know, like, it's 365 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,430 not enough that you take something out that you take 366 00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:45,000 money away from me before I've ever even seen it. So never hits 367 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,030 my bank account, and you take it away. But then the continuing 368 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:51,360 argument, it's I think they're one of the most feared 369 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:52,590 departments in the government. 370 00:20:53,700 --> 00:20:59,040 Well, I'm Mike, actually, I like the idea of a of a consumption 371 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,530 tax. Personally, I love it. I think that the IRS is just, it's 372 00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:07,050 not even the IRS is fault, necessarily. I think it's just 373 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:09,900 the system. I mean, I remember some years ago, I think it was 374 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,830 during the was maybe the pre maybe during Reagan's 375 00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:16,740 administration, or even before that, there was, you know, this 376 00:21:16,770 --> 00:21:18,990 tax simplification they were going to go through, they're 377 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:22,410 going to simplify the tax laws was a big deal. And there's a 378 00:21:22,410 --> 00:21:25,320 whole bunch editorial cartoons about it. And they just made it 379 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,960 more complicated. I happen to be somebody who took the courses 380 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,240 necessary to get as certified. 381 00:21:33,450 --> 00:21:37,170 Oh, of course you did. Of course, of course, you're an 382 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:38,370 expert in accounting. 383 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:42,720 I took the courses to do the IRS stuff. There's like a resume 384 00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:45,329 I really need to become an IRS agent John 385 00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:49,410 No, no to to be able to do taxes. I see like CPA like a 386 00:21:49,410 --> 00:21:51,990 certified public accountant, I would know that's way beyond 387 00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:55,260 with this as this is just a sort of since like a notary public. 388 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:58,650 Only then like that, whatever the case is, you have to take 389 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,800 these you know, you gotta go to a bunch of courses and so you 390 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,640 can do taxes. I forgot this was something I was going to do I 391 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,770 needed to do I wanted to do I don't know what the deal was to 392 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:11,100 be honest about it, cuz it was so long ago. But I know now that 393 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:14,850 I can't do taxes. I mean, I could do them at one time. I 394 00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:17,040 can't do them now. It's just like ridiculous. I mean, you 395 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,130 have to have the expert figuring out where this goes and what 396 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:22,770 this is for. And if this is deductible, if that's the it's 397 00:22:22,770 --> 00:22:23,460 unbelievable. 398 00:22:23,490 --> 00:22:27,030 It was one of those was one of those pro Ron Paul YouTube 399 00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:29,910 movies. I can't remember what it was I'll have to look for it. 400 00:22:30,210 --> 00:22:32,730 Where the person said look, this is the United States 401 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:35,460 Constitution held up this little thin booklet and then held up 402 00:22:35,460 --> 00:22:38,850 this big like Yellow Pages phonebook and this is the US tax 403 00:22:38,850 --> 00:22:44,400 code for 2007 outstripped it by 1000 times maybe more. 404 00:22:44,910 --> 00:22:48,180 Yeah, no, that's the problem. And this is too complicated. 405 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,700 There's you know, there's too many institutions that are 406 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:54,360 needed just to get the taxes done. I mean, there's overhead 407 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,480 there it just would be much simpler if it was a consumption 408 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,150 tax where you just whatever you spent and would also encourage 409 00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:02,700 savings was always say you want they want you to do even though 410 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,940 they really don't want they want you to spend money so on and I'm 411 00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:06,450 against it. 412 00:23:06,629 --> 00:23:10,289 Well, is that on that John McCain's roster there? Is that 413 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:11,879 something he's planning on doing? Because 414 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:17,909 I doubt it if not. McCain's is going to be a company man when 415 00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:18,569 he gets in. 416 00:23:19,019 --> 00:23:23,429 He's I have to agree with you. Patricia does not like him. He's 417 00:23:23,429 --> 00:23:27,419 like this guy. Nah, no way. She thinks his wife's pretty hot. I 418 00:23:27,419 --> 00:23:30,209 have to admit his wife is pretty high. It's amazing. He's she's 419 00:23:30,209 --> 00:23:34,589 kind of MILFy And now everyone's popping up on the internet 420 00:23:34,589 --> 00:23:37,229 talking about McCain and you know, posting videos of him 421 00:23:37,619 --> 00:23:41,459 saying, you know, I hope we stay in Iraq for 100 years. Now, it's 422 00:23:41,459 --> 00:23:44,579 really it's just gonna be Bush light if he gets in. 423 00:23:45,149 --> 00:23:47,729 Well, you don't know. I mean, he might be the type of guy that 424 00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:50,519 thinks he's he might be the type of guy that says one thing I in 425 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,729 fact, I get the feeling he has this type of guy says all these 426 00:23:53,729 --> 00:23:56,519 things and he walks in the office the first within three 427 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,099 days, he pulls the troops out of Iraq. I mean, it wouldn't 428 00:23:59,099 --> 00:24:01,889 surprise me if he did something like that. You know, I got all 429 00:24:01,889 --> 00:24:05,789 the reports or this is bogus we're out for moves them all. 430 00:24:05,789 --> 00:24:09,749 There's Afghanistan or nukes of scan Astana monism. That you who 431 00:24:09,749 --> 00:24:13,019 knows? I mean, the guy's a loose cannon, 432 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,600 you know, it would be a great ticket. Here's a ticket. I would 433 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,960 love. John McCain president, Dr. Ron Paul, vice president. That 434 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,440 would be now that would kick ass, wouldn't it? Yeah, I would 435 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,750 go if I'd vote for that. What do you think the party would never 436 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:29,730 do that, would they? Of course not. 437 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,330 Crowd away they see Ron Paul is a complete crackpot. 438 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,500 And he's, you know, he's only one of four guys left. And he 439 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,190 doesn't show up anywhere in any of the press in any event, but 440 00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:44,250 nonetheless, the press rundowns lineups, it's completely 441 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:44,880 ignored. 442 00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:47,970 The press, you know, and now that he's probably the best 443 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:50,760 story because he has the most interesting things to say. I 444 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,230 mean, outside of Huckabees tax, a consumption tax idea. 445 00:24:56,819 --> 00:25:02,159 It's almost as if his stuff is so Crazy so kooky so off the 446 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:04,979 wall. But well, if you just listen to the guy and let it 447 00:25:04,979 --> 00:25:08,039 process in your brain for three seconds, then it kind of hits 448 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,109 you how beautifully simplistic it all is. 449 00:25:11,369 --> 00:25:13,589 Yeah, that's why he's never. That's why it's 450 00:25:13,589 --> 00:25:17,159 never gonna be president. Okay. Well, I don't know, man, I still 451 00:25:17,159 --> 00:25:20,069 have I'm sorry. You know, I still had my hopes for for this 452 00:25:20,069 --> 00:25:23,009 Tuesday, Super Tuesday. You know, we could still see an 453 00:25:23,009 --> 00:25:25,979 incredible grassroots movement groundswell that could make it 454 00:25:25,979 --> 00:25:32,039 happen, you know, it's not like I've given up hope. Yet, thanks. 455 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,400 Yeah, it's gonna be Hillary and Obama is making a last ditch 456 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,130 effort to try to get get some traction, and it's going to be 457 00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:46,770 interesting to see how he does. But I just don't see it. Well, 458 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,280 it's gonna be Hillary versus McCain as the final deal, 459 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,610 Hillary 460 00:25:50,609 --> 00:25:54,569 McCain, but you're still holding by your Obama would be VP on her 461 00:25:54,569 --> 00:25:55,079 ticket? 462 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:59,730 Yeah, I'm gonna stick with that into less and less, there's, I 463 00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:01,950 mean, it's possible the Clinton will just pull a rabbit out of a 464 00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:07,110 hat and drag some who knows some unknown into the position? Yeah, 465 00:26:07,109 --> 00:26:09,599 someone who's been hovering in the wings that you kind of know, 466 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:11,099 you know, and even if 467 00:26:11,429 --> 00:26:16,289 Obama doesn't get the vice presidency, or the nod for the 468 00:26:16,289 --> 00:26:19,829 vice presidency slot, I still think he is going to be the most 469 00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:24,839 viable candidate in 2012. And a bit of experience under his belt 470 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,909 and who have more experience, he'll 471 00:26:26,910 --> 00:26:30,060 have more friends on K Street, you know, all the important 472 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:30,540 stuff. 473 00:26:31,109 --> 00:26:33,899 Right? And he would not hit you will not have been a loser, 474 00:26:33,899 --> 00:26:36,149 which means, you know, because if Hillary runs and loses, she's 475 00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:40,799 not going to back in the 1800s that used to run these guys over 476 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,099 and over again, I think William Jennings Bryan was like, run. I 477 00:26:44,099 --> 00:26:47,489 think they ran him maybe up to three times, but he just lose 478 00:26:47,489 --> 00:26:52,169 every time that is so bad, apparently beats these guys up 479 00:26:52,169 --> 00:26:58,379 so much that they very few of them will run a second time. I 480 00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:01,019 mean, adeleye, Stephenson, I guess, was the last Democrat 481 00:27:01,019 --> 00:27:04,559 that tried it. You know, he ran against Eisenhower. And then he 482 00:27:04,589 --> 00:27:10,109 ran against Eisenhower, and lost both times. And I think that 483 00:27:10,109 --> 00:27:12,599 those days are over. So I can't see Hillary running again, if 484 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,699 she loses. Right. 485 00:27:15,059 --> 00:27:17,249 Let me just see how much money Ron Paul has brought in? 486 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:20,310 Yeah, I think he brings in a fair amount enough money at 487 00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:21,360 least to pay the bills. 488 00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:27,210 Yeah. Well, he's got $5.1 million this quarter so far. So 489 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:31,770 in what is that? Three in four weeks? Or one month? 5 million 490 00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:32,520 bucks? Not bad. 491 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,130 What's he doing with all that money, I don't see any ads. 492 00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:40,020 The money that they wanted to raise was specifically to run 493 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:48,390 five. I think national ads this weekend, and I guess up and 494 00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:52,380 during Super Tuesday. So that's what the money was for. There 495 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:56,400 was a, I saw some other chart, which seemed kind of out of 496 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,070 whack to me, because it was showing how much the candidates 497 00:27:59,070 --> 00:28:01,560 had raised and how much they spent and how much cash they had 498 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,280 on hand. And had Ron Paul listed as having a lot of cash on hand. 499 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,650 And I don't think that's true. I'm pretty sure that that 500 00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:10,260 they're spending it, because I talked to the finance director, 501 00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:14,160 director on the kind of like a regular basis, you know, once 502 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,580 every couple of weeks, whatever. And, and they're really they 503 00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:20,820 really need more money. You know, they've had to hold back 504 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:23,670 on some advertising. But I guess it's all it's very local. Still, 505 00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:26,940 there's nothing national. So maybe, maybe you flip on the TV 506 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,190 this weekend, or, or tomorrow? 507 00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:32,460 Well, there's a big football game on today. Today, a Super 508 00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:33,570 Bowl Sunday. 509 00:28:33,749 --> 00:28:36,569 And the Oh, that's right. And there was talk at one point of 510 00:28:36,569 --> 00:28:38,909 doing a Ron Paul commercial during the Super Bowl Sunday, 511 00:28:38,909 --> 00:28:42,299 but I don't think they allow that. I don't think they allow 512 00:28:42,299 --> 00:28:42,479 Oh, 513 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,970 that could be political advertising. That you mean, I've 514 00:28:44,970 --> 00:28:47,880 never seen a political ad on the Super whammy because a Super 515 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,670 Bowl for the international audience out there. I think a 516 00:28:50,670 --> 00:28:53,340 lot of people watch it overseas, too. But they're notorious for 517 00:28:53,370 --> 00:28:58,230 doing expensive high end, sometimes humorous commercials 518 00:28:58,530 --> 00:29:01,680 during the Superbowl. Usually they bang them all light, and 519 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,540 this year is going to be probably an interesting test for 520 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,830 what they're charging. Because I they're charging more than last 521 00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:13,740 year, right? Yeah, they're charging a lot. And she's like, 522 00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:16,950 but to be honest about it, the numbers probably on the net 523 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:22,770 somewhere. But I think that the game is going to not unless I'm 524 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:26,160 wrong, I can't see this game being very interesting after the 525 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,580 first quarter. And that's going to put a bunch of these 526 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:31,830 advertisers in a bind. And I think what they're gonna do 527 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:35,160 probably for the first few minutes of the game would 528 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,880 probably be taken TV timeouts ever after every play to jam all 529 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,120 these commercials at people. So they can, you know, assure that 530 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,500 they get the audience that they're guaranteeing because 531 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:50,400 this game could go out of control and just be a dud by the 532 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,700 half and that whole bunch of people are going to not get 533 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,860 their money's worth out of advertising in the second half. 534 00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,430 And let unless I'm wrong. I mean, maybe it's, you know, they 535 00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:02,220 could rig it. somehow so the game would be interesting. 536 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,220 What's possible? Well, the 537 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:09,030 game is designed for television, John. It's designed for 538 00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:13,440 commercials. football and basketball, are totally media. 539 00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:18,090 Sports, which is my theory, why soccer really never has caught 540 00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:20,790 on or football, as we call it over here is because there's no 541 00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:24,480 place to insert the ads, there's no breaks. That's why no doesn't 542 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:24,660 get the 543 00:30:25,349 --> 00:30:28,889 thing about basketball. Not to mention it is that the most 544 00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:32,999 exciting part of a basketball game? Curiously, unlike a 545 00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:37,949 football game, generally, is the last two minutes, where teams 546 00:30:37,949 --> 00:30:41,369 usually are pretty close, close. Close, and they have to keep 547 00:30:41,369 --> 00:30:43,859 taking timeouts because every time you know, they fall into 548 00:30:43,859 --> 00:30:45,869 one thing or another. So there's lots of opportunities for 549 00:30:45,869 --> 00:30:49,349 commercials during the most exciting time of the game, which 550 00:30:49,349 --> 00:30:51,569 has got to get people all pumped up, you know, when they're 551 00:30:51,569 --> 00:30:54,599 watching the commercials or adrenaline's going. And so 552 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,789 there's like, kind of remarkable, but generally 553 00:30:56,789 --> 00:31:00,449 speaking, in terms of interesting overall basketball 554 00:31:00,509 --> 00:31:03,569 on television, to me is, you know, it's kind of it's like, 555 00:31:03,959 --> 00:31:04,919 it's a little boring. 556 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,730 Yeah, I don't I don't watch sports at all. 557 00:31:09,329 --> 00:31:11,159 You know, the sports coming? I'd 558 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,980 watch the Super Bowl if it was on at a normal time. By the way, 559 00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:19,140 it's only 3 million people outside the US on pretty much an 560 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:22,770 average basis that watch the Superbowl and one ad this year. 561 00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:27,690 Of course, it can't be true, but because doesn't doesn't say if 562 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:30,720 it's an early Adelaide ad, if it's a halftime ad, but I guess 563 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520 the average price $2.7 million 564 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,269 more that would go to the Ron Paul budget. 565 00:31:37,859 --> 00:31:40,589 There was a lot of talk about doing it, but I just don't think 566 00:31:40,589 --> 00:31:43,019 they'll accept him. They will accept Of course, you know, 567 00:31:43,019 --> 00:31:45,329 GoDaddy chicks walking around with their Hooters out. 568 00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:48,480 And that's important. But that's that's well that's football 569 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,110 audience and 570 00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:53,580 by the way, my checkout code DSC one DSC two or DSC three for a 571 00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:56,280 great deal on a domain name at GoDaddy. Don't you ever go daddy 572 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,120 code? John. 573 00:31:58,139 --> 00:32:00,539 I've used the general one the company one. 574 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:02,190 Oh, what's that PS one? 575 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:07,170 Yeah, something like that. Okay. I don't have a specific one. 576 00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:12,390 Mainly because I will just show that I get nobody listens to 577 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:13,560 anything. I wish that 578 00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:17,789 people are definitely listening. Oh, dude, start cosy. He did it. 579 00:32:17,789 --> 00:32:18,569 He married her. 580 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:22,260 Go over this again. 581 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,580 Sorry, I say Sarkozy by Sarkozy, the French. 582 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:30,269 Oh, the French guy with the with the hot. Yeah, he 583 00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:31,770 married her he married Carla. 584 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,580 Oh, well, good for him. I liked his French guys. You know, 585 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:39,150 he's he's a dog man. He's He's this is this guy's got it 586 00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:43,590 together. And they had a the beautiful picture they released 587 00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:46,080 of the two of them. I saw it in a couple of different 588 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,350 newspapers. Oh man. I got into her eyes are set a little far 589 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:52,620 apart. But she's hot. You just look at that. Look at that 590 00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:53,550 mountain hers. 591 00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:55,440 That's an Icelandic Look. 592 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:02,520 She's She. She has an album coming out or CD. A new one 593 00:33:02,550 --> 00:33:05,910 coincidentally coming out in a couple of weeks. And Patricia 594 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,250 heard her sing. She says she that she liked the way she 595 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:09,840 sings. She doesn't think she's all that bad. And you know, 596 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,190 she's kind of rubbing out the x supermodel moniker. But I 597 00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,170 figured out you know, because I'm trying to think, you know, 598 00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:19,020 how does she meet up with all these guys because she dated 599 00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:24,570 Mick Jagger, Eric Clapton, and of course, the oddball Donald 600 00:33:24,570 --> 00:33:27,480 Trump, which that just tells you something about her personality. 601 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,940 Maybe she goes to Davos. 602 00:33:31,349 --> 00:33:34,529 I bet you bet. She's been to Davos, Dude, we got to go to 603 00:33:34,529 --> 00:33:35,999 Davos hot chicks are there. 604 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:40,830 Yeah, I think there must be. I mean, unless the thing is, you 605 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:44,430 know, kind of it could be a gay Cabal. For all we know. 606 00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:48,270 That's what you should have been asking Scoble about instead of 607 00:33:48,270 --> 00:33:50,850 about his streaming videos. 608 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:54,900 The streaming video thing is it was fascinating to me that he'd 609 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,390 actually gotten away with doing that. But with people out there, 610 00:33:57,390 --> 00:33:59,970 which had listened to tech fives last Thursday, 611 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,950 that was really fascinating to you. I mean, these guys were 612 00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:04,410 everywhere with these little streaming things from their 613 00:34:04,410 --> 00:34:06,630 phones. I mean, everyone's doing that, it seems. 614 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:10,770 Well, I was I was unaware of this trend. I mean, I know 615 00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:13,290 people were using the phones for different recording, but I never 616 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:15,360 know what streaming directly. Oh, yeah, 617 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:17,490 I know. There's lots there's tonnes of little companies that 618 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:20,010 are doing this. And some of them maybe even not so little. I 619 00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:25,320 mean, I don't see it scaling. And I'm not quite sure I see. A 620 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,900 business model but it is fascinating. I mean, I've done 621 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:33,150 it I've downloaded to was it Qi K, I think quick, is quick.com 622 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,080 you can load some software onto your Nokia phone and you just 623 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,110 fire it up and then it's broadcasting you know, and the 624 00:34:40,110 --> 00:34:44,700 quality is well like, okay, it's YouTube ish quality. And of 625 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:47,190 course, the sound being shitty is the biggest problem but you 626 00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:51,120 know, there's a lot of people doing this and for one off 627 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:55,620 events or you know, it's really a ties in well with a blogger 628 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:59,550 thing. You know, because, you know, hey, I'm gonna go to the 629 00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:04,170 store Jobs keynote. You know, hey, here I am. Now check out my 630 00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:07,710 stream. You know, I think it's a it's a part of a tool chest of 631 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:08,280 stuff. 632 00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:13,290 So I saw somebody doing something like that at the 633 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:17,520 Seattle SeaTac airport because some woman was screaming at the 634 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:24,930 top of her lungs and the TSA. And then and then. And then the 635 00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:28,860 guy was yelling. I heard the guy because I was right there. I was 636 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:32,820 walking past I was just exiting the minding your own business, 637 00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:37,260 of course. And I heard the guy saying, Are you threatening me? 638 00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:42,330 Oh, God, and which was, I didn't hear that. But then then he 639 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:48,270 yells at the top of his lungs, I need a supervisor. And so she 640 00:35:48,270 --> 00:35:52,350 gets really adamant she starts cussing the guy out. And I'm 641 00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:54,750 thinking rather meanwhile, somebody's taping the whole 642 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:56,220 thing. distance away. 643 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,759 Excellent. Did you see the TSA blog that came out this past 644 00:35:59,759 --> 00:36:02,039 week? You might someone must have sent you. No, you're 645 00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:02,369 kidding 646 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:05,430 me? No, nobody sends me anything. As you know, dude, 647 00:36:05,459 --> 00:36:07,709 this is the one link that I actually did get a million 648 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:14,519 times. T tsa.gov/blog. Oh, it's hilarious. And they they kind of 649 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:15,179 messed it up the 650 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:17,460 first day, which they're all They're actually doing it 651 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:19,260 themselves. You know, they 652 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,370 have their own blog, and people are just commenting. All kinds 653 00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:26,310 of stories, you know, and Oh, that's great. Yeah, no, it's 654 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,860 entertainment. It is absolutely entertainment. 655 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,890 So what happened on your last entry? Because you came in, I 656 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:34,470 believe, since we did the show last. 657 00:36:34,499 --> 00:36:39,479 That's right. Yeah, I came back in and the exact same sequence 658 00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:40,139 of events 659 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,650 that you came in to San Francisco again. Yeah, San 660 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:47,940 Francisco. And by the way, a lot of people confuse TSA with with 661 00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:52,380 the CBP. And people still believe that it's the TSA that's 662 00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:55,470 hassling me, which is not true. It's the Customs and Border 663 00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:57,720 Protection Agency. Significant by 664 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,390 the way, not to mention that I'll bet you that the Customs 665 00:37:00,390 --> 00:37:04,320 Border Protection guys are irk to no end at being associated 666 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,210 with the TSA. You know, baggage. 667 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,660 You know what, you're totally right. And the what is the you 668 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:14,130 know what the one big difference is between TSA and CBP. I mean, 669 00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:16,350 even if you just look at their uniforms, do you? Do you know 670 00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:17,730 what the one big differences? 671 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,440 Yeah, one of them's got a gun. 672 00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:23,160 Thank you. Exactly. So who's the fucking powerhouse there's so 673 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,570 the CBP, they've all got guns. And even the guy behind the 674 00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:30,810 counter has a gun, you know, when you first come in, and so 675 00:37:30,810 --> 00:37:34,320 the guy, it was the same story, John, hey, don't I know you? And 676 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,830 usually my joke that I've used for the past 20 years, when 677 00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:41,370 someone says, Don't I know you all say, where we in jail 678 00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:44,220 together? You know, that's always funny. And it was on the 679 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,410 tip of my tongue, right? And I'm like, No, I'm not gonna say 680 00:37:46,410 --> 00:37:50,280 that. I said the MTV ever watch that? Yeah. And you know, he did 681 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,180 his stripe thing. He, and then he went into computer and he and 682 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:57,480 the faces they make when they look at my record, and I've 683 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,720 asked, you know, each time, what they won't tell you what's in 684 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,840 there, and you can't see because I've got the, the anti, you 685 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,170 know, look over the shoulder screen filter on the monitor, 686 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:09,960 right, but you can see him kind of look and typing and then go 687 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,560 hmm, I don't know what that is. And then you know, and then he 688 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,250 does an M on the on the customs form. And again, it What does M 689 00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:20,340 stand for? And he doesn't tell me I said, Well, is it for 690 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:26,100 money. And oh, and by the way, then he puts a stamp on it. So 691 00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,230 that's what that'll make my counterfeit effort, a little 692 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:32,580 tougher to do. And then got my bag went through. And I did my 693 00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:37,050 usual smiley thing. And I said, Well, here it is. And then I 694 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,230 follow that up by saying, I guess you want to put this one 695 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:44,190 in the clear blue envelope. Yeah, that's right. And then he 696 00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:46,890 sends me over to a special counter. And it was the same guy 697 00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:50,580 from last time. And he's like, what you were here just last 698 00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:53,700 week. Didn't you come through here? So yep, said oh, man, I 699 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:57,930 see you still in the computer. So yep. This is so stupid. And 700 00:38:57,930 --> 00:39:00,240 they let me go. Have a nice day. 701 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,800 We looked in the bag for the money. 702 00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:10,260 I have that in my shoe. So I 703 00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,540 must ask for money. They must be thinking that you're running 704 00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:14,310 money back and forth or something? I don't know, 705 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:17,850 man. It's like a standard question. The times that I have 706 00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:20,340 been interrogated in second screening, they do ask if you 707 00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:23,610 have more than $10,000 and they did go through all my stuff 708 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:26,430 looking for something but yeah, it was clear they didn't didn't 709 00:39:26,430 --> 00:39:28,920 know what they're looking for. So anyway, I just want to say 710 00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:33,750 that, you know, the TSA is a minor inconvenience, okay. It 711 00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:38,640 really is. Being on a list with the Customs Border Protection 712 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,090 Agency. That's frightening. Okay, these guys have a real 713 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:45,660 fucking database and it's really tied into all kinds of shit. And 714 00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:50,190 clearly it's wrong. And they've got guns. Now they may be all 715 00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:53,100 nice to me, you know, because they you know, they all watch 716 00:39:53,130 --> 00:39:57,600 you know, watch me intro poisoned videos. But it's it's 717 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,260 clearly it's fucked up. You know? That's a very scary thing 718 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:04,170 that's going on there. That's to me. You're gonna TSA 719 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,050 but but I would assume now that you're going to fly into San 720 00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:09,870 Francisco more than you are just random airports? 721 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,580 Well, unfortunately, you know, I do have to go to New York once 722 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:17,880 in a while. So that means I'm going to I'm gonna get the much 723 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,210 longer treatment I would presume at at Newark Airport. I haven't 724 00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:26,670 been through JFK yet since this change. And I don't know I the 725 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:29,220 only thing you can do is send in a Freedom of Information Act 726 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:33,810 request, which they've already said they do not honour. So you 727 00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:37,650 know, out of national security. Law, I guess there's just so 728 00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:39,390 she curity is involved with you. 729 00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:44,550 This is one of the questions you'll read on the TSA blog. 730 00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:47,700 It's really, it's really cool. Why do you have to you know, 731 00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:53,370 hand search and frisk three year old children? And the answer is, 732 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,350 there's a guy that actually answered the questions I got a 733 00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:58,710 video answer to that even the guy says, Well, you know, 734 00:40:58,710 --> 00:41:02,220 terrorists are using elderly and children to carry bombs and to 735 00:41:02,220 --> 00:41:06,360 detonate, like fuck you. That's nuts. 736 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,850 Oh, ladies, you know, and 737 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,150 it really protected me then do the same thing at the bus 738 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:16,020 station, that train station in the subway, not just on planes. 739 00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:18,600 It's not true. Liars 740 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,890 look ridiculous to be scammy I remember one time there was a 741 00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:28,860 when when this all began, they were just basically pulling over 742 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:31,650 they had this random thing they had a random number generator 743 00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:36,150 and you'd get picked every once in a while. Yeah, and which is 744 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,620 fair, by the way. You'd see people in wheelchairs you know 745 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:43,830 and old men you know in Asheville, North Carolina, and I 746 00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:47,340 mean, there's just cheerleaders are immersing some cheerleader 747 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:50,730 ones getting frisky and Krista may have been a volunteer thing 748 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:55,770 Excuse me, ma'am. I'm with the TSA I have to frisk you. 749 00:41:57,660 --> 00:42:02,190 And I remember one time though, I was coming from from New 750 00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:06,270 Orleans and I got I was one of the guys and I had my suitcase 751 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:11,430 might when I go to New Orleans, I usually go get there's a 752 00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:16,590 couple of stores I go to and I load up the suitcase with local 753 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:20,820 food mostly sausages and other things that you can't get 754 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:23,790 anyplace else. Like all we can't bring this stuff anymore, but I 755 00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:27,990 used to get like the big jars of xattr Ns mustard, which had 756 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:31,230 which is an outstanding product people don't realise it's 757 00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:34,320 exactly what it tastes exactly like a French mustard. anyway 758 00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:38,700 and so then so the guys open the suitcase up the guy with some 759 00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:42,330 with apparently a sense of humour goes Oh we gotta Bonanza 760 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,160 calls all the other guys over and he said come on over here 761 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,060 check this out. We caught one and he goes in they all look in 762 00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:54,480 this this pot flew this whole suitcase with nothing in it but 763 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,710 sausages and and dewy and whatever. And they all got a big 764 00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:02,520 laugh out of it and close the thing up and said I told him I 765 00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:06,120 always you know when I'm in New Orleans or New Orleans I 766 00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:09,840 you get your Shut up on your meat products. Absolutely. It's 767 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,650 important stuff. 768 00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:14,610 I gotta bring some stuff back so and that was okay, well 769 00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:15,720 you're allowed to travel with it. 770 00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:19,230 Oh yeah, you can travel with meat. Not interested not to the 771 00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:19,860 internationally 772 00:43:19,860 --> 00:43:21,750 of course but no internationally. They 773 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:24,480 they're they're a little touchy about it. If I 774 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:29,370 if I took a big long salami and put it in my bag, I wonder if 775 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:32,340 they let me on with that. I bet you they've got some reason I 776 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:33,210 didn't know about that. 777 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,090 Yeah, confiscate the salami. I've had it salami confiscated 778 00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:37,350 at JFK once. 779 00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:40,980 I've hidden a salami once or twice. Well, that's another 780 00:43:40,980 --> 00:43:41,400 story. 781 00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:46,110 So there's a there's a type of salami out of France called 782 00:43:46,110 --> 00:43:48,690 Beaujolais salami. It's absolutely fantastic product and 783 00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:52,860 it kind of it's got boats in the ocean lay salami. Yeah, the 784 00:43:52,860 --> 00:43:56,370 Beaujolais Salami is quite good. And so I have one, I brought a 785 00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:00,030 couple of them in and they declared on the salami but I had 786 00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:02,700 two of them. And I declared he said Dr. We got to confiscate 787 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,460 it. I have no other confiscating it for lunch. It was like a 788 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:10,350 level five. And I said why he says why there's no there's bad 789 00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:12,030 meat in Europe is what he says. 790 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:16,080 really mad cow disease and your salami. 791 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:21,330 Bad meat in your ads. So he scrounged around he grabbed the 792 00:44:21,330 --> 00:44:25,230 one salami didn't get to second one. So I had one at least for 793 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:27,690 later on. I was pissed off about it. And we 794 00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:30,900 had a we had a great dinner the other night which we should just 795 00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:35,220 touch on briefly because it was quite I find it to be well 796 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:38,850 having dinner with you as a culinary event regardless. And 797 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:41,220 it was at Shea was the name of it. 798 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,420 Che Spencer in San Francisco. Little places. Yeah, fantastic 799 00:44:45,420 --> 00:44:48,690 restaurant if you if you live in San Francisco, I would highly 800 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,600 recommend going there just for the ambiance alone. You know, 801 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,810 it's kind of like in the slums. And even the front door looks 802 00:44:54,810 --> 00:44:57,660 like you're entering a slummy warehouse and then you go 803 00:44:57,660 --> 00:45:00,450 through the door and it's like paired eyes. 804 00:45:01,110 --> 00:45:04,260 So beautiful reminds me a little bit of the places he used to be 805 00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:05,760 in Russia in the Soviet Union. 806 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:09,090 Kind of cavernous on the inside. 807 00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:12,600 There would there would be these. I remember that. I went 808 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,360 there once and those were taken to what was supposedly the best 809 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,260 restaurant in Moscow. And it was like, you go it was in a crappy 810 00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:21,720 neighbourhood and it was some looks like it all beat up all 811 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,530 the house. 812 00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:25,500 I think I've been in that restaurant and did they have a 813 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,660 singer in the in the restaurant as well? 814 00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:30,240 You know, I don't remember there being a singer, but I could see 815 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,050 where that could be. 816 00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:34,470 It was kind of like a, like a cavernous vibe in a way. 817 00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:37,230 Yeah. And you go in and all of a sudden, you're like, you're 818 00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:40,560 transformed from this what looks like there's gonna be a hellhole 819 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,050 into this really nice place. And it's che Spencer has elements of 820 00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:48,240 that where you look at the outside and you go, this place 821 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,240 can't be any good. And then you go inside the inside of this, of 822 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,700 this restaurant house. Nice. But I think what you wanted to talk 823 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:57,450 about is the fact that we ate venison. Yes, we do. They always 824 00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:59,100 have gaming there, which is a good thing. 825 00:45:59,730 --> 00:46:02,970 For people who don't. In other countries that would mean deer 826 00:46:02,970 --> 00:46:03,360 meat. 827 00:46:04,530 --> 00:46:09,990 Right deer meat, and you are really lating the fact that you 828 00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:13,770 had just come back from Helsinki where you were pigging out on 829 00:46:13,770 --> 00:46:20,250 reindeer? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. By the way for people out 830 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:23,010 there that travel if you go to the Scandinavian cars bu or the 831 00:46:23,010 --> 00:46:27,390 Nordic countries. There is a difference. The they eat 832 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:30,540 reindeer and they eat lots of it. And Finland is that it's 833 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:32,880 from what I can tell they don't eat anything. But reindeer. They 834 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,730 have reindeer Salamis. They've got reindeer pizza. They got 835 00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:39,060 reindeer steaks. And the reindeer is quite tasty. It's 836 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:43,320 one of their It's really delicious meat. And the curious 837 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,470 thing that we were talking about this over dinner? Was that 838 00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:53,520 reindeer is almost a 100% perfect match for a California 839 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,780 Cabernet Sauvignon of the have a private reserved style like the 840 00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:01,140 Behringer, for example. You know where it's over oaked. And is it 841 00:47:01,140 --> 00:47:02,040 just a monster 842 00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:03,990 which we did not have? What did we have? 843 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,270 We had a Bordeaux. 844 00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:12,480 Just a plain Jane Bordeaux, Bordeaux. But anyway, we took 845 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,360 enough time selecting it. We had to bring out all these bottles 846 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,940 and we had we tasted every single one. And then what did we 847 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:21,180 get? Like a $20? bottle of wine. John what we wind up ordering? 848 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:24,540 No, actually, I think it was 70 was it was a second round of 849 00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:28,170 Chateau leoville Discuss. What 850 00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:31,230 went? Well, it went very well with the venison. It really 851 00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:33,060 there was a good taste for sure. 852 00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:36,660 Yeah. It wasn't cheap, too. I mean, it wasn't expensive by any 853 00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:39,150 means. But it wasn't you know, there was cheaper ones on there. 854 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:41,520 But they didn't see that she had all these wines of which the 855 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,650 cool thing about Chase Munster they have a lot of wines by the 856 00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:47,430 glass. And the wine list is pretty much the same wines. And 857 00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:49,710 so they'll give you a little samples of the ones that you're 858 00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:54,540 wondering about. And I was not impressed with these other 859 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:57,060 wines. And so we kind of moved over to where the Bordeaux which 860 00:47:57,060 --> 00:48:01,260 is always reliable. Anyway, so the reindeer, so I'm in. I'm in 861 00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:05,430 Sweden, and I found out that I didn't realise this, but the 862 00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:13,830 Swedes were unlike the Finns are a little more I guess. Careful 863 00:48:13,830 --> 00:48:17,430 about what they tell people they eat. Because they seem to I 864 00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:21,690 guess Americans have gone over there and they're just disgusted 865 00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:24,210 with the fact that people are munching on reindeer. 866 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,190 That Rudy? Oh, they're munching on Rudolph the Red Nosed 867 00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:29,940 Reindeer. I 868 00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:32,280 think we had Donner and Blitzen. I'm not quite sure. But it 869 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,090 wasn't Rudolph. 870 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:38,910 And so they're aghast. And so the Swedes never mentioned that, 871 00:48:38,910 --> 00:48:41,370 you know, they don't want to talk about it. And my and I 872 00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:44,190 talked about before, which is another one of these countries 873 00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:48,360 up there. Iceland, where I think their main staple. They also eat 874 00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:53,610 a lot of lamb. But their main staples is Puffin. Oh, Puffin, 875 00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:57,300 right? There's a cute bird. Cute little bird and you all might 876 00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:59,700 like I told my daughter that, you know, when you're in Iceland 877 00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:05,040 eat Puffin. You'd roast Puffin eat Puffin burgers. You just eat 878 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,320 a lot of Puffin because they're like pigeons over there. There's 879 00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:10,680 like millions of them. But it's like I mentioned this to 880 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,370 somebody and they all puffins are so pretty. How can you eat 881 00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:14,820 one? 882 00:49:14,849 --> 00:49:18,239 Well this this brings me back to my original point about packaged 883 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,379 foods and that we've completely removed the consumption from the 884 00:49:22,379 --> 00:49:25,769 entire process which really is one of the most natural 885 00:49:25,769 --> 00:49:31,709 processes in the in the natural world of hunting or raising, you 886 00:49:31,709 --> 00:49:35,489 know, killing consuming, you know, breeding continuing 887 00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:39,779 through that cycle of life and, and the minute you know, you put 888 00:49:39,779 --> 00:49:43,199 a cute little birdie face on it's like, Oh no, I don't want 889 00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,719 to do that and just give me a fucking Big Mac. Okay? I don't 890 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,509 want you don't Puffin which of course is ludicrous. You know, 891 00:49:48,509 --> 00:49:51,299 we're killing ourselves with crap food instead of eating 892 00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:55,949 really healthy fresh stuff. And so you know, it's it's we're 893 00:49:55,949 --> 00:49:58,289 carnivores is what we do, you know, get over it. 894 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,210 The Puffin by the weighs quite tasty. It's like all dark meat 895 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:07,230 is really a it's a it's really a flavorful bird I have to say. 896 00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:09,060 And reindeer is delicious. 897 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:13,800 It is it's kind of it's a little sweet yet it's hard to describe. 898 00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:18,420 You had your raw I had my medium raw I just can't take it too raw 899 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:19,650 can't take anything too raw but 900 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,600 you're talking about the venison. 901 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,640 I'm sorry senesin Yeah, 902 00:50:24,090 --> 00:50:26,820 but the reindeer actually when I had reindeer I had a rare to I 903 00:50:26,820 --> 00:50:30,930 mean, I didn't see any you know, I mean, I would eating a lot of 904 00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:33,630 weird stuff. I mean, I was in South Africa once and I went to 905 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:38,490 the Blue Train restaurant which is known for having everything 906 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:44,490 and so you get to sample elephant zebra and just discuss 907 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,080 like my daughter I am gonna Elephant. Elephant. I was I was 908 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:56,310 elephant. antelope. Elephants. Not that good. Zebras. Z zebras 909 00:50:56,310 --> 00:51:00,360 a little it's like horse very similar. Horse meat. No, it's a 910 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:06,090 little tough. Horses talking about by the way, cultures that 911 00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:10,530 are embarrassed about what they eat the Slovenians nice sound 912 00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:13,590 like a non named drop I'm getting for the people out there 913 00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:15,930 I this is one of those conversations where I get 914 00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:17,850 carried away with my anecdotes but I like 915 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:21,330 it I'm you know I'm really interested in food so carry on 916 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,220 it's not about listening it's about me 917 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,530 good it anyway in Slovenia, there are huge horse eaters. And 918 00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:31,920 but they don't want to tell anybody outside the country. 919 00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:35,100 People I talk to these guys, I was overnight talk to these guys 920 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:39,240 into because I've had horse before I had it in Mexico. And 921 00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:43,710 so I told these guys now I want to do you know, I want to see 922 00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:49,290 what you guys do with a horse. And so they said okay, they 923 00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:52,110 reluctantly they said, We'll take you to the best horse 924 00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:57,270 restaurant in, in Louisiana. And so Okay, so I go with these 925 00:51:57,270 --> 00:52:02,220 guys. And, and, and this, these guys were like so reluctant. I 926 00:52:02,220 --> 00:52:05,040 never seen such Chow hounds. In my life, when I've worked with 927 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,320 the horse state comes out, these guys are ploughing through it. 928 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,280 Like there's no tomorrow. And but anyway, so I we all ordered 929 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,890 the same thing, the best horse steak they had or whatever and 930 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:16,770 it was like so it comes out and I'm not really expecting to see 931 00:52:16,770 --> 00:52:19,890 a steak. You know, this the size of this semi This thing's the 932 00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:23,940 size of a Xerox machine on this plates. Not even I can't even 933 00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:28,530 stay on the plate is hanging over the sides. And I'm going oh 934 00:52:28,530 --> 00:52:32,070 my god, I can't eat this whole thing. But I'm going to try. And 935 00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:35,280 I never realised I mean, I had a horse taco once. And so I 936 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,130 thought I was an expert. And I didn't really realise what horse 937 00:52:38,490 --> 00:52:41,430 wanted to serve like this is actually like, and it's in this 938 00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:46,110 the texture is a little. It's a little it's a little like liver 939 00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:49,950 in a really funny kind of a way and I like liver. But it's I 940 00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:54,270 don't like a big piece of liver this big. And it was it was I 941 00:52:54,270 --> 00:52:57,690 had a hard time eating more than half of it like these guys, 942 00:52:57,690 --> 00:53:00,750 meanwhile are shut, you know, you're going to eat that and 943 00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:06,450 boom. And, you know, although they were reluctant to go there. 944 00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:10,950 It was. But anyway, that's another culture that is not you 945 00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:14,160 know, they're not proud of this because of Americans who are 946 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:18,300 judgmental. Just the opposite. Well, looking for 947 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,190 one of my one of my anecdotes, I think I told you this one I went 948 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:27,060 to, I did a documentary in Thailand, where I ate a number 949 00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:30,330 of interesting things. But the one that came close to a weird 950 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:35,520 cultural difference in in in eating was at a hill tribe, of 951 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,410 course, you'd expect it to be different up there that was 952 00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:39,990 right near the Burmese border and what they call this, they'll 953 00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:41,610 call it the Golden Triangle, I guess. 954 00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:43,890 Maybe and 955 00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:50,850 and so we, we awoke at like six in the morning. And we then 956 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,090 subsequently helped to go kill a pig. So the pig was dead and 957 00:53:57,090 --> 00:54:01,710 gutted by 7am. And by eight o'clock, we were eating it for 958 00:54:01,710 --> 00:54:05,160 breakfast. And it was it was ground up but with a lot of the 959 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,780 bones in it. So you know, so we're like Kokino crowns popping 960 00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:13,800 off and shit. And as people who live up there, you know, 961 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,680 they're, they're just, you know, they're used to this and that 962 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,410 just crunching through everything. But that was that 963 00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:23,280 was a very weird sensation at the time, you know, because I 964 00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:26,100 just saw this animal. You know, you heard him squealing when he 965 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,580 got slaughtered. And you know, then before you know what you're 966 00:54:29,580 --> 00:54:33,270 eating him, and it was, yeah, it was kind of weird, but it was a 967 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:35,880 really natural cycle of life. And there was beauty to that as 968 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,190 well. But that was that whatever. That's probably the 969 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:40,470 only time I've Yeah, that's the only time I've kind of been 970 00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:43,500 freaked out. I don't think I've been freaked out by eating 971 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,630 anything. Have you ever done the monkey brains? 972 00:54:46,350 --> 00:54:49,170 Now and I don't like the idea of eating brains. There's too many 973 00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:52,350 prions in there. And it's like it just doesn't I mean, I've had 974 00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:57,300 I've only had brains once and it was by accident. I was in Texas 975 00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:59,970 and I was at a taco stand there and it was I didn't know that 976 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,860 Let's say suppose was brain exactly 977 00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:04,980 they have a weird name for it what does it say ASOs says says 978 00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:09,090 so see and says like sweetbread stay away from the sweetbread. 979 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,210 Well, I have had sweetbreads event they've developed a recipe 980 00:55:12,210 --> 00:55:14,700 for sweet breads because they've always believed I always 981 00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:18,240 believed everything has a if people are eating something, 982 00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:21,120 there's a reason for it. I must be good in some way, shape or 983 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,400 form if it's done right. And I've been had this this quote, I 984 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,380 had a quest for years, for example, to find tripe that was 985 00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:33,030 edible. And I would go from place to place, you know, trying 986 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:35,790 tripe soup from the Italian restaurants at this. And now the 987 00:55:35,790 --> 00:55:39,270 other thing, there was always terrible, I hated it. And but I 988 00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:42,240 kept I was convinced that there must be somebody that can make 989 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,600 this decent. And so there's a one star restaurant in Paris 990 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,400 that had, and we yets, which is essentially a tripe stuffed with 991 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,840 tripe, and it's like a hot dog, and it tastes like a hot dog. In 992 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,260 fact, it was better with mustard even though it was kind of 993 00:55:58,410 --> 00:56:04,950 now what is tripe? Exactly? It's the intestines of a cow. 994 00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:09,120 Okay, generally, and the French, I don't know what they do, but 995 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,690 it's it when you add meat to the end. We it's it's like, wow, 996 00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:16,710 this is not only delicious, but it has a slight resemblance to 997 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:20,190 the flavour of a hot dog, American hot dog. And I realised 998 00:56:20,190 --> 00:56:22,710 that American hot dogs must be just filled with this stuff. 999 00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:26,850 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure synthetically created tripe. 1000 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:33,180 So but I've been so I've always had this, this, you know, I saw 1001 00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:35,730 what sweetbreads, I didn't know I always felt the same way. And 1002 00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:38,250 sweetbreads actually are quite good if they're done correctly. 1003 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,100 Like even sweetbreads, 1004 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,370 the well the brains and actually sweetbreads to a lesser extent 1005 00:56:44,490 --> 00:56:46,560 the problem with these organ meats is that there's the 1006 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,090 cholesterol Niskayuna Yeah, it's true. The ceiling I mean, it 1007 00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:54,540 takes you months to recover from this stuff. 1008 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:57,090 You measure your cholesterol regularly, I'm sure John you 1009 00:56:57,090 --> 00:56:59,730 take cholesterol and you take like Lipitor or something? 1010 00:57:00,150 --> 00:57:03,600 No, no, I know. Okay. Those things don't I mean, did lowers 1011 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,670 your cholesterol number, but it doesn't really do anything about 1012 00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:09,180 plaque or anything else. It's just it just it just makes it 1013 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:11,910 feel better. Yeah, for me, it makes you Trisha has the number 1014 00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:14,790 oh, I got my numbers. My cholesterol is too, you know, 1015 00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:16,740 and it's like, Oh, I must, you know, be healthier. 1016 00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:21,420 Did you know just switching gears ever since we had a 1017 00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:25,380 conversation. A couple of weeks back about the economist of 1018 00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:27,660 course, I've started reading The Economist and I pick it up every 1019 00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:31,050 single time I travel or it's it's around. It's great plein 1020 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,170 air. Oh, it's fantastic for reading on the plane. Did you 1021 00:57:34,170 --> 00:57:38,790 know that there are still a couple 1000 People left 1022 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:44,280 primarily in the financial world who use a telex Lau isn't that 1023 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,190 amazing? They use it for settlers amazing. Yeah, euro 1024 00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:50,040 euro clear the world's largest settlement system for 1025 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,140 international financial markets maintains 184 telex accounts for 1026 00:57:55,140 --> 00:58:00,840 50 out of its 13 175 clients and sends up to 800 800 telexes a 1027 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,350 day, 1028 00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:05,700 huh. That's amazing. Be some must be particularly secure or 1029 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:07,830 part of a system. That's, you know, yeah. 1030 00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:10,980 I know. That's its own closed loop system, right? It's its 1031 00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:11,940 own? Yes, I 1032 00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:16,170 know, there was a, that this was on one of these PBS or a 1033 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,780 discovery channel or something like that special about selling 1034 00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:23,970 a Boeing jet is an interesting transaction point where they 1035 00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:28,200 have the what's called the keys to the jet. And they 1036 00:58:28,380 --> 00:58:31,200 know a lot about this. So I'm interested to hear how you play 1037 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:31,740 it back. 1038 00:58:32,430 --> 00:58:35,040 Well, they have these, you know, they sell the jet to some of 1039 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,750 this contract signed, and then the guy transfers the money. And 1040 00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:43,140 the money has to show up at the Boeing account to make sure that 1041 00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:46,080 nobody's gets scammed. And I think it's done over a telex 1042 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,310 system. And once the guy gets the phone call that says, Okay, 1043 00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:52,950 we've got the money, you can give him the key, and it gives 1044 00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:55,860 him the keys to the jet, they own the jet. Now, in other 1045 00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:58,680 words, these are not done on credit, apparently, there's a 1046 00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,160 lot of, 1047 00:58:59,189 --> 00:59:01,829 well, you know, the term, I'm going to wire you the money. 1048 00:59:02,579 --> 00:59:05,969 That's where it comes from. Because it literally is here, 1049 00:59:06,029 --> 00:59:08,009 I'll just read that it's a settlement, they use it for 1050 00:59:08,009 --> 00:59:11,729 financial settlements. So when they send that message, 1051 00:59:12,899 --> 00:59:15,749 immediately, everything's changed on both sides of those 1052 00:59:15,749 --> 00:59:19,139 banking accounts. That's what wire is, and that's a that's a 1053 00:59:19,139 --> 00:59:22,109 certified transaction these days. If you want to transfer 1054 00:59:22,109 --> 00:59:27,809 money internationally, you can rarely do it through a regular 1055 00:59:27,809 --> 00:59:30,659 retail account, at least you can rarely do it immediately. It'll 1056 00:59:30,659 --> 00:59:33,929 take three to five days. Of course, they hold your money 1057 00:59:33,929 --> 00:59:36,719 overnight, because they make money on it overnight. And you 1058 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:42,629 do that with this Swift code, which is I forget what it stands 1059 00:59:42,629 --> 00:59:46,619 for. But Swift is literally you have to add that code so that 1060 00:59:46,619 --> 00:59:50,939 the US government can track your transfers. Right? That's the 1061 00:59:50,939 --> 00:59:54,989 only reason for it. But back in the day, it was you were you 1062 00:59:54,989 --> 00:59:57,989 know, so I guess that that's a you know, maybe three abstracted 1063 00:59:57,989 --> 01:00:01,889 layers on top of this old fashioned stuff. Roman system. I 1064 01:00:01,889 --> 01:00:04,859 was just amazed by that because like, Wow, man talexes That must 1065 01:00:04,859 --> 01:00:10,409 have been 1981 When I when I last used 181 82 I think 1066 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,510 I think there's some software you can use to do telex 1067 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:18,690 emulation is to jump onto the system through a PC. 1068 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,610 Well, I remember back in the day I was at I was showing off. I 1069 01:00:23,610 --> 01:00:26,520 can't remember exact Oh, I remember what it was. I had the 1070 01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:30,450 remember the trs 100. member that that portable. 1071 01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:33,240 Yeah, I was one of the I think I may have been the first person 1072 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,100 to write about that particularly machine, 1073 01:00:35,130 --> 01:00:38,610 but I still have mine. And I really Yeah, it's got 1074 01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:41,730 to be, that's probably worth like, a grand bucks by now. 1075 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:47,430 50 bucks. I'll take it to Antiques Roadshow. And so it's 1076 01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:50,460 basically if you can look it up on the on the web, it's a it's a 1077 01:00:50,460 --> 01:00:56,220 full size keyboard. And it has a LCD display with I think, eight 1078 01:00:56,220 --> 01:01:01,020 or 10 lines. And you could programme it and basic and you 1079 01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:04,020 could load up programmes. But the real beauty of this thing, 1080 01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:06,960 it was basically an electronic word processor. The real beauty 1081 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,700 was it had a built in modem. And if I'm not mistaking was a 300 1082 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:15,240 baud modem. And sounds right. And it was real big amongst 1083 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,180 journalists. Because these were the hip guys, you must have been 1084 01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:21,540 one of them. John, you had to go to some kind of event on site 1085 01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:24,120 and they type and then they'd plug it in and then upload it 1086 01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:28,860 either directly to the newsroom to their editorial desk or I 1087 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:36,000 believe at the time I had an account on what was it it might 1088 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,340 have been easy street remember Easy Street. 1089 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,370 Now? Maybe easy. 1090 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:46,110 Now you wouldn't Easy Street was a system for primarily used for 1091 01:01:46,110 --> 01:01:51,600 the music industry for a concert promoter so that they could you 1092 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,930 know, do certain accounting functions, et cetera online. And 1093 01:01:54,990 --> 01:01:58,800 it was really it was really one of the first email closed, of 1094 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,150 course, but it closed the email systems. And later you had the 1095 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:06,000 source. I think it was CompuServe and the source and 1096 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,010 you could get on both right? Those are the two big ones. 1097 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,220 Right. And the source later became what the source become. 1098 01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:14,820 They got bought out by CompuServe I think 1099 01:02:14,970 --> 01:02:17,370 that's right, they got bought out by CompuServe I think it was 1100 01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:20,160 probably on source the source first and then on CompuServe. 1101 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:24,180 And at the time you had a gateway and you could send an 1102 01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:27,990 email through CompuServe which by the way back in the day said 1103 01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:31,380 on my knee kids CompuServe email was closed, it was it was a 1104 01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:33,810 closed system, you could only send email to people on 1105 01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,560 CompuServe. But you could use a gateway and it would actually 1106 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,190 send a telex or like, you know, five bucks a word or whatever. 1107 01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:45,180 From the terminal, and I remember showing off and showing 1108 01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:47,580 someone in their office at watch, I'm going to type a telex 1109 01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:50,700 message. And then a secretary came up like 15 minutes later 1110 01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:53,160 and literally had a telex that had come off with a teletype 1111 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,450 machine. And I was and that was 80 I think 8181 or 82 1112 01:02:58,110 --> 01:03:00,480 Well, that machine came out I can tell you at the end if you 1113 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,990 want to, I think was 82 because I had the original version of 1114 01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:08,880 the TRS model 100 was a thing that NEC did and I had they'd 1115 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,550 sent me one it was and it was red and I wrote a column about 1116 01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:19,080 the red neck get it and I taken this thing to to the rollout of 1117 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,670 the IBM PC X t when they first came out with the PC X he was 1118 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:27,540 the first machine they had with a hard disk and I had this 1119 01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:32,010 little this this little laptop crazy little machine that you 1120 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,370 described with me and I got more attention 1121 01:03:35,850 --> 01:03:38,490 yeah then then the whole presentation right? 1122 01:03:38,730 --> 01:03:41,550 Yeah everybody every writer there was looking at it going 1123 01:03:41,550 --> 01:03:42,390 wow, that's cool. 1124 01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:45,480 And the nice thing about it was it took standard double A 1125 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,210 batteries though triple A batteries. I think he could you 1126 01:03:48,210 --> 01:03:51,450 just load it up and it would go for hours on Oh yeah, here it 1127 01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:55,680 is. No four double A batteries runs for 16 hours on four double 1128 01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:03,270 A batteries. How nice. Three point 3.8 pounds 2.4 megahertz 1129 01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:10,260 processor, excellent. 8k of RAM 32k Max. It had the parallel 1130 01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:15,360 port or barcode reader built in 300 baud modem. I was right. And 1131 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,550 of course, the audio cassette for reading and writing data and 1132 01:04:20,550 --> 01:04:24,090 programmes Oh, do you know the OS was? 1133 01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:27,450 It was no what was it Microsoft 1134 01:04:27,479 --> 01:04:32,129 BASIC version? 1.10 don't think 1135 01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:35,460 that was the OS. I think it was just running that just ran 1136 01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:36,780 basic. Well, it 1137 01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:38,040 says here it was the OS. I 1138 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,700 think that's I don't believe that's true. I think it was some 1139 01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:45,360 some proprietary proprietary machine. 1140 01:04:45,420 --> 01:04:48,180 I do remember writing little basic programmes and it though. 1141 01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:50,730 Gosh, I shouldn't pull that thing out again and play with it 1142 01:04:50,730 --> 01:04:54,210 because I remember the keyboard was excellent. It was a great 1143 01:04:54,210 --> 01:04:54,810 keyboard. 1144 01:04:55,439 --> 01:04:57,839 Yeah, it was a very popular machine. I think they sold quite 1145 01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:01,469 a few in fact. RadioShack for years was The leader in the 1146 01:05:01,469 --> 01:05:02,849 desktop computing business, 1147 01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:05,880 they had the colour computer they weren't they selling the 1148 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,230 pet for a while. 1149 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:11,610 No other pet was calm, or the CPM wasn't what was it? No, no, 1150 01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:14,340 they were selling. There was always trs dos. They had the 1151 01:05:14,370 --> 01:05:16,830 model one and Model Two, the model three, I think there was a 1152 01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:19,110 model form now I'm not absolutely sure on that, but 1153 01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:22,230 they ran trs. dossena was a bunch of clone Dawson's that 1154 01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:28,020 would run on the things that were extremely popular, 1155 01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:29,970 especially the trs 80. 1156 01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:32,340 AD, I remember the ad Sure. 1157 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:38,070 And they're extremely popular in the IBM club machines came out 1158 01:05:38,070 --> 01:05:43,530 of the clones came out and then we're over time, somehow or 1159 01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:47,070 another RadioShack I don't know if they lost somebody that was 1160 01:05:47,250 --> 01:05:52,350 spearheading this. They just became non competitors, and fell 1161 01:05:52,350 --> 01:05:53,820 off the face of the earth. Well, wasn't it 1162 01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:57,390 when Apple came out with a with first with the Apple two. 1163 01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:01,560 Now the apple two came out in 70. So I was 1164 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,970 thinking really? Remember, my dad had an Osborne, 1165 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,640 the RadioShack would know, they were out at the same time in the 1166 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,270 RadioShack was killing the I mean, it was really a extremely 1167 01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:18,210 popular, it was the IBM PC and the clone PCs that killed it. 1168 01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:22,680 Right. I mean, the Macintosh came out in 84. And it didn't 1169 01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,760 really have much impact on it. It was pretty much the PC 1170 01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:28,500 compatibles 1171 01:06:28,590 --> 01:06:32,310 Yes, I was I was way into the ZX ad. That's That's what I was 1172 01:06:32,310 --> 01:06:32,970 playing with. 1173 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,770 And I think you can hold the size of a mouse that thing 1174 01:06:37,830 --> 01:06:41,730 No, no, no, it was. Didn't Sinclair live Sinclair make it 1175 01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:42,060 Yeah. 1176 01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:44,220 Yeah, it's a thing was dinky. 1177 01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:46,680 Yeah, of course, it was dinky, and you press the key, and the 1178 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,160 screen would actually flicker with each with each character, 1179 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,800 which I remember John, I was like 14, or something like that. 1180 01:06:53,550 --> 01:06:55,980 I didn't have didn't have a lot of dough around. And then of 1181 01:06:55,980 --> 01:06:58,350 course, the Vic 20, the Commodore VIC 20, the 1182 01:06:58,350 --> 01:07:02,970 predecessor to the Commodore 64. That was really my, my first 1183 01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:06,480 real computer that I hacked around with I built a I built my 1184 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,860 own acoustic modem to use with it. And we figured out they had 1185 01:07:10,860 --> 01:07:14,670 these ROM cartridges that you could plug in with games. And we 1186 01:07:14,670 --> 01:07:18,000 figured out how to copy the games from rom onto cassettes, 1187 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,220 and we would sell those it was it was a lot of fun. 1188 01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:26,160 Yeah, that was extremely popular machine to the big 20. And then 1189 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,070 the Commodore 64 as it were, they sold millions of them. 1190 01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:31,800 Of course, they had to change the name of the Vic 20 in 1191 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,880 Germany to the VC 20. Oh, really? Yeah. Because it's too 1192 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,190 much like fiction, which means fuck. 1193 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,510 Oh, really? Yeah. I never heard that story. Yeah, that's funny. 1194 01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:42,930 Yeah. 1195 01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:47,820 ticking. That's what an F but they figured the Vic, which is 1196 01:07:47,820 --> 01:07:50,400 the same thing they say about pod show. It sounds like toilet 1197 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,180 show. Is that they've never heard that. Yeah, if pod was if 1198 01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:58,020 you if you wrote pod with a tea pot show. And by the way, the 1199 01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:02,700 German is pronounced pod show Potato. Potato. How's it going? 1200 01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:07,080 My touch your atom, pod show? It sounds like toilet bowl show. 1201 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,430 Which by the way, a lot of our content is exactly that. 1202 01:08:11,939 --> 01:08:15,329 Well, yeah. Well, I tried to restrain 1203 01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:18,180 the whole show. How are we doing on time? Oh, man, we got to 1204 01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:22,080 stop. We've been talking way too long. We need to stop. All 1205 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:22,350 right. 1206 01:08:22,859 --> 01:08:25,709 Okay. All right. Well, I think we got enough information out 1207 01:08:25,709 --> 01:08:28,799 there for people who want to go to Shay Spencer or reindeer. 1208 01:08:29,609 --> 01:08:32,819 If you haven't if you like horse. This is the show for you. 1209 01:08:33,779 --> 01:08:38,699 Like eating the horses. All right from the curry manor in a 1210 01:08:38,699 --> 01:08:41,669 dark and wet United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry. 1211 01:08:42,269 --> 01:08:44,639 And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern California. And we will 1212 01:08:44,639 --> 01:08:45,689 talk to you next week 1213 01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:46,829 on no agenda.