1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,050 Hey everybody, it's time once again for the programme that 2 00:00:04,050 --> 00:00:07,140 comes to you once a week and you never know what it's going to be 3 00:00:07,140 --> 00:00:10,110 exactly. Except for the fact that this is going to be us two 4 00:00:10,110 --> 00:00:13,200 guys talking about something coming to you from a sun 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,440 drenched Surrey in the United Kingdom in the curry manner. I'm 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,130 Adam curry. 7 00:00:17,580 --> 00:00:20,760 And I'm John C. Dvorak appear in smoky Northern California where 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,570 we've had 1200 fires and the whole area has just smoked in 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,950 Wow, you really can get the smoke is noticeable was because 10 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:31,020 the wind has been blowing from the north and the south and the 11 00:00:31,020 --> 00:00:34,290 north and the south. And it's accumulated. And if I look at 12 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:37,680 right now, you'd think it was fogged in but it's mostly smoke. 13 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:40,890 Yeah, it's very noticeable the first day of it, this this 14 00:00:40,890 --> 00:00:44,880 weather, when I woke up, I was thinking you could smell it. Now 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,880 we've been in you know, in the smoke now for so long that you 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,240 can't even smell it and you're you're been kind of acclimatised 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,440 to the aroma. So 18 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:54,870 is that all the way into the city? Or is it just out where 19 00:00:54,870 --> 00:00:56,700 you live on the other side of the water? No, no, it's 20 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,550 all over the place. I mean, it's very hazy. And because of the 21 00:00:59,550 --> 00:01:00,090 smoke 22 00:01:00,510 --> 00:01:04,440 is this from the Santa Ana winds that the fire everything up and 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,000 all of California has burns, 24 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,060 those cause the worst fires these the winds that blow from 25 00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:12,180 the west, from the east to the west, they blow in the wrong 26 00:01:12,180 --> 00:01:15,060 direction and heats and it's a it's a dry air that heats 27 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:17,790 everything up, and it's terrible. But this is mostly 28 00:01:17,790 --> 00:01:20,100 north and south winds. The wind goes from the north, and it goes 29 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:22,440 from the south and goes north. It's just going back and forth 30 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,380 and washing back and forth all the smoke because there's no 31 00:01:25,380 --> 00:01:26,580 fires around us 32 00:01:27,450 --> 00:01:29,370 at all. It's all southern California. 33 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:33,300 No, no, there's a bunch of them in Norway. They're all over the 34 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:36,330 place. After all type Shastar. They're everywhere. 35 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:39,360 This happens like every single year. Is there anything left to 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,800 burn down in California? 37 00:01:44,310 --> 00:01:48,690 You know, it rains, things grow. Fires. It's not like 38 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:49,829 weed fires. 39 00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:54,090 But anyway, so it's smoky. 40 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:57,360 But no houses have burned down or anything horrible. Yeah, no, 41 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:57,660 plenty 42 00:01:57,659 --> 00:02:03,689 of houses burned down through the hundreds. That sucks. So 43 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:05,879 that's pretty you're right every year just 44 00:02:06,930 --> 00:02:09,270 what's going on in the US of A John, I haven't been there. 45 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:12,510 What's been two months now I can't I think July 23. I'm 46 00:02:12,510 --> 00:02:13,800 coming over for two weeks. 47 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:24,029 You won't recognise the place. So I bet. So a couple of things. 48 00:02:24,029 --> 00:02:27,629 Yes. I'm listening to the show. Last week. So I every time I 49 00:02:27,629 --> 00:02:29,849 listen to the show occasionally. And I noticed there's something 50 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:35,309 that bothers me, which is that we do have there is a Skype lag 51 00:02:35,459 --> 00:02:41,189 since we're going from England to the United States. And so so 52 00:02:41,189 --> 00:02:43,889 you get this impression, it's not as bad as the satellite 53 00:02:43,889 --> 00:02:47,099 thing you see on the on the cable channels, you know, they 54 00:02:47,099 --> 00:02:47,759 get the satellite 55 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,950 finding, and I know exactly what you're gonna say. I know 56 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:51,420 exactly. So 57 00:02:51,419 --> 00:02:55,199 Bill, what do you think of the situation there in Syria? And 58 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:01,919 then there's just like 1234 Ed said, I didn't hear you there, 59 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:02,789 Jim. What? 60 00:03:03,030 --> 00:03:05,400 And then they talk at the same time and you go, you know, 61 00:03:05,460 --> 00:03:06,180 you'll go 62 00:03:07,889 --> 00:03:10,319 right? Well, we did a bunch of that yet last week. But the way 63 00:03:10,349 --> 00:03:12,359 we sounds because at the beginning of the show, you'd 64 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:14,519 like to do most of the talking at the beginning and I can't 65 00:03:14,519 --> 00:03:16,349 live enough when I finally wake up. 66 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,990 And all the punch Lions have an like a Oh, point eight second 67 00:03:21,990 --> 00:03:23,460 delay before someone laughs 68 00:03:23,850 --> 00:03:29,280 Exactly. But the way it sounds is the following. If you were 69 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,810 listening to this and didn't know there's a Skype lag. It's 70 00:03:33,810 --> 00:03:35,730 like you say something like, Well, what? So what do you think 71 00:03:35,730 --> 00:03:40,440 of that, John? And then there'll be this long delay as if I'm 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:40,920 actually 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,280 you actually give a shit what I'm saying. I know. It's 74 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,000 fantastic. 75 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:48,750 Right? There's almost as moment where you listen, it sounds as 76 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:52,110 though you're saying something. And I? And I because of these 77 00:03:52,110 --> 00:03:56,580 long pauses. I'm thinking to myself, Is this guy a total 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,180 idiot? 79 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,910 No, no, first of all, I'm sure you think that from time to 80 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:06,900 time. But in general, I think those those pregnant pauses, I 81 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:08,940 would call them I think they kind of make it interesting 82 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:11,610 because it actually sounds like you're thinking and processing. 83 00:04:11,610 --> 00:04:15,540 Boy, Adam is once again asked a fine, interesting question. How 84 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:19,410 should I respond? But when? When is when there's a joke? Of 85 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:22,470 course, that works both ways. No, actually, because the 86 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:25,680 recording is on my end. If you crack a joke, my response is 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,160 instantaneous. But of course, all the good jokes have that 88 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,670 delayed laughter from you. Like, 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,700 yeah, why are we listening to a different show that would have 90 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:37,140 jokes, and now you know 91 00:04:37,140 --> 00:04:41,730 what I mean. But if it annoys you get an ISDN set up, man. I'm 92 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:41,820 here 93 00:04:42,420 --> 00:04:45,120 to help because we're still so far away. It has 94 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,650 nothing to do. The delay has nothing to do. Well, actually, 95 00:04:49,650 --> 00:04:52,140 it has a little bit to do with the fact that you know, it's not 96 00:04:52,140 --> 00:04:55,560 a direct full time circuit. It's, you know, packets that are 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,980 flying around the internet. Skype has to buffer all that 98 00:04:58,980 --> 00:05:01,830 shit, so it's never gonna Get any less that delay on this type 99 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:06,210 of technology. But on the I don't think distance has that 100 00:05:06,210 --> 00:05:09,570 much to do with it when you come to ISDN it's just IP packets 101 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:12,000 it's but it's a direct cert. Well, you know what, once you 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,650 get one, we'll try it out dude. 103 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:17,340 But you know, there's we got a couple emails for people to say 104 00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:20,220 this is not as clean as necessarily as you'd like to 105 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:23,430 make it out to be. Yeah, but this distance from London to 106 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:24,600 here is a long haul. 107 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:28,620 Let's let's give it a shot. It can't be worse than Skype. No, 108 00:05:28,650 --> 00:05:30,330 they'll certainly be better quality. 109 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:34,620 Yeah, well, the quality would probably bet yeah, I agree. 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,140 Yeah. Okay. We'll do we'll do that. Then he put it hold on. 111 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:38,160 Let me write this down. 112 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,570 And put on top of the pile of other notes of things to do yet 113 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Skype? No, get ISDN not Skype. 114 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,420 I'm sorry. See, I even made a mistake already. 115 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,870 Just get a tailless thing or whatever. Make sure you have the 116 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:59,070 AAC codecs loaded. Or they all have the same thing. Yeah, well, 117 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:02,940 so it's just I got ISDN in in the condo now, I haven't tried 118 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:04,110 it out yet. But I do have it. 119 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:06,750 In the condo in 120 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:10,440 the condo, the curry the curry condo. 121 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:20,430 Over in San Francisco. Yeah. I had it put in. So what's going 122 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:22,170 on over there now you EU. 123 00:06:22,620 --> 00:06:23,670 A lots going on. 124 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:29,160 As far as I can tell. From our news coverage, nothing's going 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,820 on. Okay. 126 00:06:29,970 --> 00:06:33,660 You guys hear this little thing called the Big 90th? Nelson 127 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:42,120 Mandela birthday bash in Hyde Park. Nope. Unbelievable. Yeah, 128 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,690 Nelson Mandela celebrated his 90th birthday. In fact, the half 129 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:49,620 of the US show businesses here. Let's see Will Smith was here 130 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:56,370 Jay Z was here. It huge, huge party. And, of course, it's it 131 00:06:56,370 --> 00:07:00,630 royally messed up all traffic for most of the week in in the 132 00:07:00,630 --> 00:07:04,290 city and coming in and out of the city. So that was pretty 133 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:05,130 big. And of course, what 134 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:08,880 Will Smith is Will Smith like, I'm sure it's Will Smith as some 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,420 sort of old running body with Nelson Mandela, May. What's the 136 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:15,570 connection there? Is that the only thing? 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,630 No, didn't he play Nelson Mandela in a movie? Or did 138 00:07:18,630 --> 00:07:21,570 wasn't even a Nelson Mandela? Yeah, I thought he was it wasn't 139 00:07:21,570 --> 00:07:24,420 even. I know. He played Muhammad Ali. Oh, okay. Well, that would 140 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:28,650 explain it. Yeah. But you know, and also, Will Smith, a social 141 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:33,300 thinking kind of guy, you know, and he's a great performer. Now, 142 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:37,500 he performed? Yeah, yeah, he performed on stage. And so Jay Z 143 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:37,650 has 144 00:07:37,650 --> 00:07:42,390 announced it. Well, he's a he's a rapper. Oh, Nelson Mandela. 145 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:47,580 Know that? Will Smith's religion into rap. Really? 146 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,540 It Nelson Mandela, everything. You know, it's it's all kinds of 147 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:53,880 musical acts. I don't think the guy doesn't give a shit. He's 148 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,760 90. And when you're 90 years nd Oh, look at these young people 149 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,490 doing anything on stage, you're happy and then come on, whatever 150 00:07:59,490 --> 00:08:02,010 the fuck the guy is doing. But we'll submit this kind of an 151 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:04,980 ambassador. You know, he's a very positive very energetic 152 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:11,550 type of guy. I met him. In 1988. We did a gig together. God was 153 00:08:11,550 --> 00:08:14,610 in Pennsylvania. I think it was like a Nintendo launch or 154 00:08:14,610 --> 00:08:18,330 something of Super Mario Brothers or whatever. And he was 155 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:22,350 still doing. parents just don't understand with the DJ Jazzy 156 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:27,840 Jeff. Which of course was whether it was rude. Yeah. And 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,280 even then I was like a really nice guy. Nice guy. And Jay Z. 158 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,830 So they were all on that. Jonathan Ross. Last night. Jay Z 159 00:08:34,830 --> 00:08:37,470 is headlining, this is kind of controversial. Jay Z is 160 00:08:37,470 --> 00:08:40,740 headlining Glastonbury this year, which traditionally is 161 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:45,210 more like a kind of like a rock concert. And it didn't sell out 162 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:48,600 this year. And the critics are saying that that's because Jay Z 163 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,480 was chosen as the headliner, very controversial issue you 164 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,200 understand? 165 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:57,990 So let me tell you, the United States, the way we handled this, 166 00:08:58,470 --> 00:09:02,700 what Nelson Mandela Yeah, I'm looking at the news rundown here 167 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:06,180 it is top of the top of the news, which was actually really 168 00:09:06,180 --> 00:09:11,160 only run in India. The US approves a bill that removes 169 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:12,720 Nelson Mandela from the 170 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:16,500 no fly list. Yeah, I read that or that. Yeah. Right. Well, 171 00:09:16,529 --> 00:09:19,349 you know what, that that was a birthday gift. 172 00:09:19,499 --> 00:09:22,859 Well, there's a lot of things going on here that I actually 173 00:09:22,859 --> 00:09:24,089 wanted to ask you about. 174 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,230 Let me to bring up one more story though. Okay. Just because 175 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:30,780 this will interest you. This is the time they hate the way they 176 00:09:30,780 --> 00:09:37,530 handled the headline and Fox News. Singer Amy Winehouse takes 177 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:40,500 the stage at Nelson Mandela birthday show 178 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:43,590 thank God we got an Amy Winehouse referencing Damn it. 179 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:46,950 Now. Now it's newsworthy. That's got to be top of the headlines, 180 00:09:46,950 --> 00:09:53,460 everybody. cocksuckers anyway, so I've been trained now 181 00:09:54,570 --> 00:09:57,660 partially due to my own investigation and work and 182 00:09:57,690 --> 00:10:01,080 experience but certainly in the past 30 six episodes have no 183 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,350 agenda. I've been trained to be very suspicious of big 184 00:10:04,350 --> 00:10:08,520 headlines, and the Zimbabwe thing really has all my bullshit 185 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,500 metres going off. Have you been following this? 186 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:14,130 Yeah, I think that has been covered over here, to some 187 00:10:14,130 --> 00:10:18,480 extent, mostly by the news, our type shows are the ones that get 188 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,970 into an in depth. They've read the regular news, of course, 189 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:25,140 it's just the, you know, that this guy doesn't want to leave 190 00:10:25,140 --> 00:10:27,720 office and they, you know, they beat the crap out of his 191 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,020 opponents, supporters and the opponent took off and said, I'm 192 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:34,500 not, I'm out of here. And, you know, we got I think we've got 193 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:35,460 the gist of it. 194 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:39,150 Well, because what is the gist of it? I that's the part that is 195 00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:42,240 the bullshit. I mean, this guy has been around for decades, 196 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,680 this Mugabe, and whenever I hear oh, it's an anaemic democratic 197 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:50,370 process. And we have to go in and peacekeeping troops have to 198 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:53,370 keep watch over the democratic process, and the voting has to 199 00:10:53,370 --> 00:10:56,220 be democratic. Whenever I hear that I'm like, Okay, what is 200 00:10:56,220 --> 00:11:00,450 this country have that we need? And I know it's not oil. But 201 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:04,590 what I have discovered is that I think 70 or 80% of all British 202 00:11:04,590 --> 00:11:09,690 vegetables come from Zimbabwe. And tobacco. Good. It's done. 203 00:11:09,690 --> 00:11:13,710 Yeah. And tobacco is another another big thing but of course, 204 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:17,460 the economy over there has collapsed you know, the loaf of 205 00:11:17,460 --> 00:11:22,410 bread cost 45 billion Zimbabwe dollars. No kidding. Billions 206 00:11:22,410 --> 00:11:22,740 now. 207 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,210 Yeah, you know, I've got a call out. They got unfortunately, 208 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:29,520 haven't been able to score it. It's really irking me to know, 209 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,870 to know, and I got one more source, I think for this before 210 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:36,570 that, before they go away. But right now they're paying for 211 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:43,020 everything in Zimbabwe in bricks of money. Yeah. Farther further 212 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:46,740 along than they did in, you know, the hyperinflation where 213 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:48,450 they you know, this, these various countries have had a 214 00:11:48,450 --> 00:11:52,710 hyperinflation. Germany, of course, in the 30s. Famous, but 215 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:56,430 more recently, of course, Brazil 20 years ago was hyperinflation, 216 00:11:56,430 --> 00:12:02,220 I have a couple of 500,000. Zero bills. Yeah, awesome. So like, 217 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:06,000 500,000, you know, the equivalent dollars 500,000. 218 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:09,780 Bill. And it was, which was worth like, I think I went to 219 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:12,900 Brazil when I when that bill was around, and when he sold was 220 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:19,200 worth $1. When I got it, and two days later is worth 10 cents 221 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,480 somewhere with this thing was Zimbabwe, they've got these. Go 222 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,230 ahead. Well, I'm just gonna say in some Bob way, because they 223 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:31,110 don't they're not print these high notes. Are there people buy 224 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:35,040 with these bricks of money. So you have a brick of money's like 225 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,620 piles. And the brick is that equivalent of you know, a couple 226 00:12:37,620 --> 00:12:40,770 of bucks. And I've been trying to get somebody to get me some 227 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:44,250 of these works of money, especially the ones that have 228 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:47,880 Mugabe's picture on them. Right? Because personally, I think 229 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,780 they're collectible. 230 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:51,480 Now, I think you're probably right, I was actually there were 231 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,060 like four stories in the Financial Times yesterday, which 232 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:57,630 I read on the on the train into the city that I actually 233 00:12:57,630 --> 00:13:02,430 circled. Let me just find the one about about Zimbabwe, 234 00:13:02,430 --> 00:13:05,460 because they said it was a pretty funny line. He said it 235 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:07,620 was more expensive, because you know, they've limited what you 236 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:11,040 can take out of the ATM machine. And just because there's not 237 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,540 enough paper can come out. So it was actually more expensive to 238 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:18,870 drive to the ATM for the amount of money you could withdraw that 239 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:22,170 people are no longer going to the ATM this given up. They're 240 00:13:22,170 --> 00:13:26,640 giving up on money in general, which is sad, but it was it was 241 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 dominating the headlines so much, John, and you know, 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,340 there's all kinds of other stuff going on. It was it was for 243 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:35,850 three days straight nonstop all over Europe, at least what I can 244 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:39,360 see, because I did skim around a bit. I was like, No, this has to 245 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,660 be for some other reason. Why is this the most important story is 246 00:13:42,660 --> 00:13:46,830 like no one gives a shit about Zimbabwe for years. And then all 247 00:13:46,830 --> 00:13:50,280 of a sudden, oh, surprise, surprise, you know, one of this 248 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,110 guy who I've never heard of who supposedly his opponent in the 249 00:13:55,110 --> 00:13:58,860 elections, the undemocratic elections. And then you kind of 250 00:13:58,860 --> 00:14:02,460 look into the history, it was known as Rhodesia before, it was 251 00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:06,180 Zimbabwe. And of course, basically, the white man came 252 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:08,310 into the country fucked everything up regardless, no 253 00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:12,360 matter what you say. That's the root of the problem. But I was 254 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,700 just interested, like, why are we so interested in this 255 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:18,990 country? What is the deal now? Add to that Nelson Mandela, of 256 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:21,420 course, you know, and there's, you know, there's like millions 257 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:25,650 of Zimbabweans are now fleeing Zimbabwe into South Africa. I 258 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:28,500 don't know. It's, I don't know. I really don't understand 259 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,720 Africa. It's just a lot going on. 260 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:32,100 Have you ever been there? 261 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,380 I dude, I lived in Uganda for three years. What 262 00:14:34,380 --> 00:14:38,010 are you talking about? Three years in Uganda? Yeah, 263 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,220 I was very young. But yeah, we lived in Uganda. Three years 264 00:14:41,310 --> 00:14:45,630 before Idi Amin came in it was at the time of Bo Tay was 265 00:14:45,630 --> 00:14:49,710 president. Now, who by the way Oh, Justice karate been back. 266 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:49,860 Can 267 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:53,070 you go there? Do you visit? Do you have old reminiscences or 268 00:14:53,070 --> 00:14:53,580 what do you do? 269 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:58,950 Yes, I have reminiscences and my dad was an A Super Eight 270 00:14:58,950 --> 00:15:04,530 millimetre not till we have just 10s and 10s of now we're talking 271 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:07,020 stuff that should be posted. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 272 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:11,490 And you know what? I'm gonna go talk to Bob, that's my mom's 273 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:14,610 second husband. I know he has all that stuff and I should get 274 00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:16,860 that transferred, of course has no sound it's only 275 00:15:18,539 --> 00:15:21,179 you can do you can do a voiceover 276 00:15:21,749 --> 00:15:24,569 I really should do that because it's tonnes of wildlife footage 277 00:15:24,569 --> 00:15:25,619 and and you know, 278 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:29,069 you got to do that before they can do that stuff deteriorate, 279 00:15:29,069 --> 00:15:29,189 it 280 00:15:29,190 --> 00:15:31,680 does deteriorate. You know, I'll make that a point. That'll be a 281 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,290 project for sometime between now and the end of the year. I'll 282 00:15:34,290 --> 00:15:39,120 get that done. So, we do have lots of you know, we have a an 283 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,600 ivory elephant tusk, which has been completely carved, you 284 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,450 know, back when you could still when it was still legal. 285 00:15:45,450 --> 00:15:49,170 Obviously, we have zebra skin rugs, we have lions, skin rugs, 286 00:15:49,170 --> 00:15:53,070 a lot of stuff, spears, some paintings, we have a lot of 287 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:56,730 African artefacts that my parents collected in those 288 00:15:56,820 --> 00:15:59,850 three years. Oh, well, it sounds like a debt. Sounds good. 289 00:15:59,910 --> 00:16:02,370 I still don't understand the country, though. Might when I 290 00:16:02,370 --> 00:16:03,630 list my notes 291 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,540 that it's a crazy place. 292 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:12,030 My sister was born there on January 1. And it was a 293 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:13,590 nightmare in the hospital, 294 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,850 um, that there's a lot of people that I was talking to somebody 295 00:16:17,850 --> 00:16:23,520 the other day I was going to Africa. And I will warn them 296 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,850 that one of the problems that I've noticed with people who go 297 00:16:26,850 --> 00:16:31,200 to Africa a lot, is that they get addicted to going there. 298 00:16:32,370 --> 00:16:36,030 There's some addictive mechanism about Africa, I always found 299 00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:39,030 Africa to be, you know, people say well, you know, you just you 300 00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:43,290 imagine different things is largely savannas at least most 301 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:47,580 of what I saw, as opposed to the jungles that we imagined to be 302 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:50,490 their light, which are mostly the kind of jungles that we 303 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:56,910 visualised are typically Amazonian in South America. And 304 00:16:56,910 --> 00:17:00,750 the place is teeming with light. Like if you look on the ground 305 00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:04,680 anywhere, you're it's just this bugs. Yeah. Yeah, it's just 306 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,670 there's so much wildlife, there's bugs, and there's birds 307 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:10,500 that you've never imagined before. It's just it's just 308 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:14,040 like, you know, it's kind of I find kind of distressing to be 309 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,980 I'm not a big fan of Africa. I don't have any desire to go 310 00:17:16,980 --> 00:17:17,340 back. 311 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:20,819 I think what people feel is the kind of the it's real mother 312 00:17:20,819 --> 00:17:22,949 earth, you know, the real pole maybe because that of course, 313 00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:27,959 where I think it's where people really came from. Maybe that's 314 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:31,919 it, maybe it's just a human DNA connection. But indeed, I mean, 315 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:34,739 you're such a you're such a cracker ass white man, I can 316 00:17:34,739 --> 00:17:36,869 understand where you have no affiliation with that 317 00:17:37,170 --> 00:17:43,650 picture. You know, Eastern European stock. We you know, you 318 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:46,380 were invaded by the Mongols kind of thing. So it's like, I have 319 00:17:46,380 --> 00:17:48,690 no real affinity. 320 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:50,040 You have no, 321 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,460 I mean, there's parts of it's a nice place. I mean, I bet there 322 00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:55,860 are people that just go back to cause effect a friend of mine 323 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:58,950 who lives up the street who was used to be a journalist for The 324 00:17:58,950 --> 00:18:02,220 Wall Street Journal Greg Zak for you as part of the Spangler 325 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,930 club. He he's an African now as far as I know, I got a note from 326 00:18:06,930 --> 00:18:09,600 him Kenya and I don't know what the hell he's even doing there. 327 00:18:10,770 --> 00:18:14,880 Yeah, well, you know, in Africa is developing as well. You know, 328 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,270 I was talking to a guy from Nokia yesterday. He says that he 329 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:22,410 says that in Africa and also India honestly he he did mention 330 00:18:22,410 --> 00:18:26,250 two countries but he said that there's 60 that six zero 60 331 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:30,150 million new cell phone subscribers coming online every 332 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:30,690 month 333 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,860 but no that's not possible said 334 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:37,860 in India if you take India and Africa combined, that's what he 335 00:18:37,860 --> 00:18:40,410 said. He said all of a sudden there's a look these networks 336 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:42,930 are just opening up it's not a gradual thing. It's like it open 337 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:47,430 up oh, you open up a whole new area. And you can you can sell a 338 00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:50,100 million of these candy bar phones as absolutely as 339 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:50,700 possible. 340 00:18:51,149 --> 00:18:53,699 You said 16 million a month Yes. 341 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:56,670 At the current right now that doesn't mean it's going to be 60 342 00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:59,070 million in three months time because everyone will be 343 00:18:59,070 --> 00:19:02,220 saturated right that the new new the new markets but there's new 344 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:03,720 markets are exploding. 345 00:19:04,140 --> 00:19:06,960 How do they even make that many folds? Right? They 346 00:19:06,959 --> 00:19:11,339 make they make 1 million phone they sell 1 million phones a day 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,470 we should be in the phone business? 348 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:20,340 No, you shouldn't because this is very interesting. They have a 349 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,030 you know a per unit price and you know how much they make per 350 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:27,720 unit and you know, I think Nokia is one of the smartest companies 351 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,130 around they understand very clearly what Apple of course is 352 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,460 telling everyone is it's about the services if you can get the 353 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:38,430 right services that people want and you can put those on your 354 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:41,430 phone it many people are for the first time in their life are 355 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:44,310 experiencing the internet but it's not on a computer. It's on 356 00:19:44,340 --> 00:19:49,260 a handheld device. So no no no no no. And but the margins there 357 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:52,230 it's almost nothing I'm sure I mean, this is just plastic John, 358 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:55,950 this you know you get throw aways. Maybe we're not talking 359 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:59,430 like smartphones or anything in in India. We're talking, you 360 00:19:59,430 --> 00:20:02,520 know the gross was just a phone and and it had maybe have a 361 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,890 little you know little mobile browser on there and some text 362 00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:09,030 messaging but it doesn't have you know not big smartphone 363 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:09,900 capabilities 364 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:15,840 so was the last time you were in Africa 365 00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:24,330 1967 I gotta go back. But you know Russia you don't have the 366 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:24,540 you 367 00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:28,230 don't have the that addiction and maybe you shouldn't go back 368 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:31,290 maybe you'll pick it up but I'm telling you there's these people 369 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:35,370 that are just basically go to Africa constantly. And like they 370 00:20:35,370 --> 00:20:38,220 can't get away from it. They just loved the place. 371 00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:42,720 Yeah, I kind of like now, I don't know, there's no poll 372 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,600 let's put it that way. And nor do I have any kind of poll like 373 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,480 I want to go to Asia desperately. I do want to go 374 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,959 You shouldn't you should at least want to check out Asia. 375 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:52,109 You 376 00:20:52,859 --> 00:20:55,319 know, I've been to Asia. I've been to different places in 377 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:58,889 Asia. But it you know, I don't have that wonder last week. I 378 00:20:58,889 --> 00:21:03,689 did so many documentaries for for Tesla. Right. Right. We 379 00:21:03,689 --> 00:21:06,569 talked about this already. You were burned out on Asia that 380 00:21:06,569 --> 00:21:07,079 just burnt out? 381 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,020 Well, I did Australia, I think Australia I'd love to go back to 382 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:14,640 I'd really love to go back to Australia. Did documentary 383 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,230 there. I did the Caribbean. And I've been back to Jamaica 1520 384 00:21:19,230 --> 00:21:21,030 times since that documentary. 385 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,680 So you like Jamaica? Then? 386 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:24,600 I fucking love Jamaica. I could live 387 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,450 on now. But that we all would never mind that just don't even 388 00:21:27,450 --> 00:21:28,050 go there. Because 389 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,250 it's not just about that. No, it's not just about that. I that 390 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,850 whole vibe. I I've always had something with reggae music. 391 00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:40,050 It's everything. It's the food. It's yeah, I know a lot of 392 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:43,260 people there. You know, the and by the way, this is in the 393 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:47,100 north. I'm not talking Kingston. But you know, on the northern 394 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:50,490 side, so obviously very calm and touristy and laid back kind of 395 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:55,590 life. But yeah, I dig it, man. Totally, totally dig it. Why 396 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:59,460 don't you get a place there? And we've considered it many times. 397 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,070 But get a 398 00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:05,520 place there. You go out to people. 399 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:09,300 Well, there's a there's a setup there. Okay, that's interesting. 400 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,240 You bring that up. And it's called Round Hill. And Round 401 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,920 Hill was set up in the 50s. In fact, a lot of the architecture, 402 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:21,870 it's basically there's a round Cove. So with a hill and there's 403 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:28,320 I think maybe 35 or 40 villas are built into this into this 404 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,730 hill at Round Hill. And so it's it's a closed community. But the 405 00:22:32,730 --> 00:22:35,970 deal is you buy your house, you model it, you put you know, all 406 00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:38,430 your own stuff in it, every single house, every one is 407 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:43,230 different. But every house does have a cook, a housekeeper and a 408 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:46,860 gardener. And you know, they're locals who come in and and work 409 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:49,590 but they're assigned to to a specific house. And so the 410 00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:52,680 central management, but then even if you buy the house, no 411 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,020 matter what you do with it, but everyone has to bring it up to 412 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,320 certain standards. You know, the deal is that it has to be rented 413 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,020 out X number of weeks per year. And so of course you can choose 414 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:02,460 when you're going to be there, you know, it's one of those 415 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:05,370 typical type of deals. But what's interesting is that 416 00:23:05,370 --> 00:23:09,360 people who have houses there, so the by far the largest who's 417 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:14,490 been there for I don't know, 1015 years is Ralph Lauren. But 418 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,660 Bob Pittman also has a place so and I've rented his house 419 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:21,600 several times he has a beautiful beautiful house there. So it's 420 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,680 all people who basically anyone who has a jet who can you know, 421 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,890 you know, take three and a half hours to fly down from New York 422 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:34,470 or you know, hop across from from from Florida. They all have 423 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:36,870 these houses there and there's it's spectacular. It's 424 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,230 absolutely beautiful. And many many times I've considered about 425 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:42,990 buying one of those but I knew I never really take advantage of 426 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:43,950 it it just be stupid. 427 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:48,510 Well, let's go with the Pitman house. What is it cost to rent? 428 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:53,760 Well, of course that is depends on the season. You know, 429 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,090 obviously, if you want to go now you can get it pretty cheap, but 430 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:01,950 you'll die of heat exhaustion. But in in peak season for 431 00:24:01,950 --> 00:24:05,940 Jamaica, I think at the time, I'm sure it's more now last time 432 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:11,430 I went was three years ago, I think was $10,000 a week. 433 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:16,650 $10,000 a week to rent to rent the guy's house. So that's 434 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,470 $50,000 a month or so. 40,000 435 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:23,070 Yeah, if you wanted to rent it for the whole period. Yeah. 436 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:26,850 And yeah, that's That's seems high to me. Because you can get 437 00:24:26,850 --> 00:24:29,850 a place in Spain which is probably pretty spectacular for 438 00:24:29,850 --> 00:24:33,660 a lot less than that. Or Portugal Yeah. You Brits go 439 00:24:33,690 --> 00:24:38,910 well, but don't forget it's you. You get to your your breakfast 440 00:24:38,910 --> 00:24:43,020 and and lunch and dinner you can decide we want to do but it you 441 00:24:43,020 --> 00:24:46,740 know, it's all cooked for you and everything every I mean it's 442 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:51,450 really it's a it's a great personalised service and into 443 00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:54,090 the house. You know, we'll sleep like six people you know, so if 444 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:57,870 you if you if you do the math, it's probably not that 445 00:24:57,870 --> 00:25:04,020 expensive. I mean, within moderate I mean within context 446 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:06,990 of me okay? I don't want to sound stupid. 447 00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:10,710 Yeah, no, no, it's it's probably if you did the math you're right 448 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:13,380 if if you loaded it up with a bunch of frat boys or something 449 00:25:13,380 --> 00:25:16,110 like Bobby's split the bill and 450 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,220 it's not a it's not a frat boy type of place, John, that's not 451 00:25:20,220 --> 00:25:25,410 exactly what it's like. No, not exactly, but I just want to get 452 00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:25,470 a 453 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:26,550 feeling for it, you know, 454 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:31,590 but it's very Casa Blanca type vibe. You know? 50s You know 455 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:36,750 what I mean? Like white. picket fence type wood stuff, and blue 456 00:25:36,750 --> 00:25:37,800 and white stripes. 457 00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:41,220 So you rent it say you got the Okay, let's say you got the Bob 458 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:44,490 Pitman house and you have it for a week. What are you gonna do? 459 00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:47,730 What do you do? I miss like, you know, it's like, you're not in 460 00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:48,450 Paris? 461 00:25:49,470 --> 00:25:52,200 No, but each house has its own swimming pool or most of them 462 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,590 do. But yeah, you got your own setup. You know, it's it's open 463 00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:58,680 living basically. So you're you're overlooking the ocean. 464 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,440 You know, you've got a swimming pool there, you've got anything 465 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,530 you need. And what I usually wind up doing yours first, 466 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,650 hammered out of my head for three, three days straight, just 467 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:11,130 trying to calm down and relax. And then I'll hook up with my 468 00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:14,910 friends and there's restaurants in the actually like in the 469 00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:18,660 woods so not it's not a restaurant that says restaurant. 470 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:21,570 But it's where the where the locals go when they go out to 471 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:24,600 eat and so hang out with them and you 472 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,209 make it sound do you have to crap in the woods to I mean, 473 00:26:27,209 --> 00:26:28,109 how's that work? 474 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:32,970 Um, no, they do have toilets. But not plumbing. Just 475 00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:36,750 saying. You make it sound. You make it sound as though it's 476 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:41,130 like well, it's, it's the problem is I'm gonna tell you 477 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:45,270 what the no here's the problem with you and everybody else out 478 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:49,320 there including all of these listeners. Okay, me and nobody 479 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:55,440 brings a camera nobody brings a camera nobody takes pictures. 480 00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:59,100 You know that the Japanese give them credit for this. It's a 481 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,860 show that to blog. I mean, you've got a blog, you know, you 482 00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:05,280 have a blog. It's called curry.com for anyone who wants 483 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,910 to find it 484 00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:09,870 John John John Yeah, hold on. Hold on, calm down. No photos in 485 00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:10,500 there and down. 486 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:13,260 Your wife looks like nobody knows. 487 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:18,510 Are you dude Do you even ever look at my fucking blog Yeah, I 488 00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:22,830 do that dude. There's a little thing there called search you 489 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:25,260 want pictures of my wife there's pictures my wife when picture 490 00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:28,080 Jamaica this picture Jamaica on pictures me in Iraq this picture 491 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,290 of me in Iraq are you kidding me? I always take pictures of 492 00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:34,710 stuff like that. I'm going there now but I didn't even know you 493 00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:38,340 then and by the way it may be on some other blog somewhere that 494 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,680 died you know I don't know if it was all imported. But 495 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,390 now you're making excuses No, I get first picture I guess a 496 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:47,220 picture of you holding a rocket 497 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:54,029 that's that's the artwork for daily source code. I'm such a 498 00:27:54,029 --> 00:27:54,449 rebel. 499 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080 There's a few tech fives is a picture of Britney Spears 500 00:27:58,590 --> 00:28:03,030 another tech five there's a YouTube video of George Bush and 501 00:28:03,030 --> 00:28:03,240 there's 502 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:07,470 been kind of busy lately you know 503 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:11,970 and a Coke bottle I'm really reiterate that one okay, let me 504 00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:14,010 do a search hang on my curry 505 00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:20,010 doing this just because I don't have 30 ass licking lackeys who 506 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:22,320 post from me all day long doesn't mean that you know I 507 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,760 don't have my shit together. 508 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:27,690 But Trisha I'm typing in see what she looks like in this 509 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,720 pictures nothing I got nothing here. No pictures 510 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,570 no you gotta go to previous posts because I know I've 511 00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:42,270 mentioned Patricia a lot this is all was shows. Once you go to my 512 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:45,810 Flickr page man go to my Flickr page and look at I got tonnes of 513 00:28:45,810 --> 00:28:49,890 pictures. I'm just saying In fact they were so good my 514 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,380 pictures that have the gossip magazine stole them and 515 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:56,640 reprinted them and I had to sue them over it I mean come on. If 516 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,030 you're even remotely interested in that story, which of course 517 00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:06,570 was a huge queue coup for the Creative Commons copyright which 518 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:08,820 you know you pretend like you actually know anything about 519 00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:11,130 that case then you would have gone to look at the fucking 520 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:12,900 pictures the whole case was about 521 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:17,940 I might have you don't know that. You're You're accusing me 522 00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:22,320 Yeah, hell yeah. See what's what's what's your name on 523 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,860 Flickr? 524 00:29:23,130 --> 00:29:24,930 Adam See 1999 525 00:29:28,109 --> 00:29:32,309 That's Well no wonder you know your name is Adam curry. I would 526 00:29:32,609 --> 00:29:36,359 care I am I'm looking to add him see 1999 There isn't anything 527 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,139 available to you tagged with okay. I'm looking at tags in 528 00:29:40,139 --> 00:29:41,189 Flickr sucks. 529 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,550 It's great pictures on my Flickr I'm always uploading stuff. 530 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:53,159 I actually had something I can't do. It kills me. You can't find 531 00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:53,519 crap on 532 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,740 app and see 1999 And there's all kinds of beautiful pictures 533 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,430 They're not getting they're getting a duck just hitting the 534 00:30:02,430 --> 00:30:03,090 tags thing. 535 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,509 Oh well maybe to advance for you John Hold on let me Skype it to 536 00:30:06,509 --> 00:30:07,349 you BAM 537 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:13,290 Ah, here we go. I found some no I didn't 538 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,319 know I just sent you the link in Skype please click on that and 539 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,399 then take a look I did 540 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:21,210 this okay let me take this by the way Look 541 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:23,850 there's a whole go look at that it says right on the right hand 542 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:27,390 side I have a beautiful what they call these galleries or 543 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:29,070 whatever a collection of my 544 00:30:29,069 --> 00:30:32,369 wife picture of your daughter's car or look to the right on the 545 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,469 left to the right you have a cat 546 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,770 look to the right right next to the cat picture you see that 547 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:40,350 beautiful woman there pee pee glossy it says 548 00:30:42,569 --> 00:30:45,329 the picture next to the cat that I'm seeing is a picture of your 549 00:30:45,329 --> 00:30:46,979 backyard with snow do 550 00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:51,420 not on the on the right hand side. There's collections of a 551 00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:53,400 little icon these little icons. 552 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:58,020 Yeah, I see these you got Christina's Twingo wet iPhone 553 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:03,990 resurrection, which is I think was five years ago. On AC get 554 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:06,540 shaken down and they're Steena no no 555 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,140 Lauren Oh is a private picture. That's why you can't see that. 556 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:13,650 It's not hard it says because Christina prom you schmuck. 557 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:20,940 Oh, I'm sorry. Christina is prom. Look, man. On that scene, 558 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,840 this Thanksgiving picture why don't you 2006 Yeah, you're 559 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:31,020 keeping up John Kansan and me Yeah, but that 1986 560 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,870 Now stop it look just click go down the bottom and click no I 561 00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:41,610 don't give a shit you know I got plenty of pictures I got I got 562 00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:42,840 more than enough pictures 563 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,760 all right, if you say so I'll take your word for it see have 564 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,940 not run into them you know when I but it stinks to me. There's a 565 00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:56,340 lot of stuff that you could because I never seen you even 566 00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:57,150 with the camera. 567 00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:01,230 I use my my phone with my my cell phone 568 00:32:02,849 --> 00:32:04,649 it doesn't have like it says explains it. 569 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:07,650 But if you go through this all kinds of great pictures this is 570 00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:13,890 from RV or vacation the family reunion. There's all kinds of 571 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,550 stuff Dr. cockney here I see And there's my others. Oh, God, just 572 00:32:17,550 --> 00:32:18,750 go to the second page. Man. 573 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:21,660 I got to think those are all private because I'm not said no. 574 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:24,180 They're not they're not public. See? 575 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,930 You've no it's not mediocre. You've gotten to the second page 576 00:32:27,930 --> 00:32:32,700 and the third page I have 51 pages of pictures. 923 items. 577 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,940 Now the Isle of Wight now here you have a picture that would 578 00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,400 interest me. Now this is you know, this is a kind of picture. 579 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,720 I'd take just one crab and lobster inside. 580 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,590 Yeah, that's where do you seen that? Where are you seeing that? 581 00:32:50,369 --> 00:32:52,229 It's under the Isle of Wight set. 582 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,010 You see oh, that's when I Okay. That was when Patricia and I 583 00:32:56,010 --> 00:33:00,630 went to the Isle of Wight. And you go there mainly to eat at 584 00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:05,190 the crab and lobster pub, which is overlooking the overlooking 585 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:10,110 the ocean. So it's a picture of Patricia with a sunglasses on. 586 00:33:10,619 --> 00:33:13,139 Yeah, she's gorgeous. Let me read the sign because it's kind 587 00:33:13,139 --> 00:33:15,689 of funny crab and lobster in Galician is the kind of stuff 588 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:18,539 that I like the blog, you should be blogging this crab where you 589 00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:22,199 should have crab and lobster and get glasses, crockery and 590 00:33:22,199 --> 00:33:27,179 cutlery. excetera must not be taken to the beach or away from 591 00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:30,869 this area. It's just a funny, you know, ridiculous. Good sign. 592 00:33:30,869 --> 00:33:33,689 I wasn't stealing the cutlery. Yeah. 593 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,640 But a lot of so but Flickr has a nice thing where you upload your 594 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,830 pictures. And if you want to blog it, there's just one click. 595 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:44,460 So a lot of these have been blogged. Because that connection 596 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:46,620 works. In fact, that's the same thing that that we've been 597 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:50,460 talking about using Flickr, you know, connects to any weblog. 598 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:55,380 Well see, here's a problem I had that irks me. So you know, 599 00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:58,800 Google bots. I bet one of the things I did with Flickr I'm not 600 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,250 a big fan of Yahoo bought Flickr, not Google Yahoo. Yahoo, 601 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:06,690 I'm sorry, the but I'm not you know, a fan of all these public 602 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:11,010 photo albums even I'm giving you crap for not having one. I 603 00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:13,410 actually don't like doing them because I think it's like who 604 00:34:13,410 --> 00:34:16,470 needs to know this stuff anyway, so that you know this I'll take 605 00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:19,680 a picture that sign but I don't want a bunch of family pictures 606 00:34:20,070 --> 00:34:26,010 everywhere. And but I did do a public photo album of all the 607 00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:28,980 input of all the I take a lot of pictures with a camera and I 608 00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:32,340 denied when I was at ZD TV, I took pictures of the staff and 609 00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:34,470 everybody has ever worked there and people came through and 610 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:37,920 people are on shows and so I took like hundreds of pictures 611 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:41,490 at ZD TV and I was in the process of posting them all 612 00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:44,460 because you know for people who want to reminisce or whatever. 613 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,890 And then Yahoo buys them and I can't use the uploader and I 614 00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:53,760 can't I can't do the password doesn't work. And so these 615 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,420 basically these, this whole album is stuck, kind of frozen 616 00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:01,920 in limbo because of Yahoo take Taking over the operation and I 617 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,360 saw I just gave up on it. 618 00:35:04,529 --> 00:35:07,679 I like it, I you know, it's worked out. I have Flickr Pro, 619 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,619 which gives you a whole bunch of a whole bunch of benefits. 620 00:35:10,619 --> 00:35:14,489 Actually, it was funny, I was I was flying. I was at the airport 621 00:35:14,549 --> 00:35:17,849 on Monday, I was gonna go over at some family business take 622 00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:21,659 care of in Holland in Amsterdam. So at the airport in the sky, 623 00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:28,949 Hugh, who has an imaging company, airborne imaging 624 00:35:28,949 --> 00:35:32,579 company, he does imaging of power lines. And I've been you 625 00:35:32,579 --> 00:35:34,829 know, he's been a listener for a long time at the Daily source 626 00:35:34,829 --> 00:35:37,649 code, and he listens to no agenda. And he came out and he 627 00:35:37,649 --> 00:35:39,599 said, You know, I was thinking about what you guys were saying. 628 00:35:40,169 --> 00:35:41,609 And he says, you know, so there's the, you know, the new 629 00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:46,259 chipsets, the new GPS chipsets are really important for for you 630 00:35:46,259 --> 00:35:48,599 know, what we were talking about having having a camera with a 631 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:54,209 GPS in it and geo tags, etc. And he showed me the setup, you 632 00:35:54,209 --> 00:35:56,789 know, that has these new chips. So the minute you turn it on, it 633 00:35:56,789 --> 00:36:00,419 immediately fixes this or almost new within like three seconds, 634 00:36:00,419 --> 00:36:03,329 it has a signal, which is which is what these new chips chips 635 00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,179 that's going to be able to do. But he also had another sensor 636 00:36:06,179 --> 00:36:09,149 in it. So you not only did you know the exact position where 637 00:36:09,149 --> 00:36:12,959 the picture was taken, but also you had the compass direction, 638 00:36:12,959 --> 00:36:15,269 the camera was pointed how close that? 639 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,580 That's totally cool. 640 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,390 I mean, I was like, Why? Because we're a couple of obvious nerds 641 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:24,090 here. But somebody has an Azmuth. So he so he knows the 642 00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:28,770 altitude, right? He knows the compass direction. He knows the 643 00:36:28,770 --> 00:36:32,490 exact location. I mean, that's hot shit. I mean that now, think 644 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:34,680 of what cool stuff you could build with that, man. That's 645 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,250 awesome. 646 00:36:36,209 --> 00:36:38,759 Well, one of the things you can do you know, this was presented 647 00:36:38,759 --> 00:36:41,819 by I think a Microsoft guy originally, or maybe somebody 648 00:36:41,819 --> 00:36:42,869 from MIT, another guy 649 00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:47,460 next to him said this is a guy who makes it himself. John. This 650 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:48,060 is a homebuilder, 651 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,260 saying that technology is obvious. Yeah. Obviously, Sunday 652 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:59,490 should be an all cameras, right? Yep. And what it lead dodging 653 00:36:59,490 --> 00:37:03,330 and underlined project that's being worked on, in kind of in 654 00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:06,240 the background, or were you just low, if you have the depth of 655 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,810 this information, you can just load every photo you can get 656 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:14,340 your hands on that has GPS data on it, and recreate the world 657 00:37:14,340 --> 00:37:18,510 and the virtual space? Yeah. So I could bring up a map of Paris 658 00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:21,060 and then say, what is it like on this blog, kind of like the way 659 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:24,420 that Google guys have been doing by driving around? And pretty 660 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:27,540 much really limitless photographs? 661 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,150 Well, clearly, that's the way forward. I mean, the Google 662 00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:33,000 Street mapping stuff is, you know, it doesn't scale, you 663 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,340 know, you've got to get the community doing this. That's the 664 00:37:35,340 --> 00:37:37,680 only way to really make it happen. Right 665 00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:41,070 doesn't scale unless they buy more Volkswagens. 666 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,270 It was funny. You called me and I was just driving back from I 667 00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:48,330 picked up the newspaper, and I rounded the corner onto our 668 00:37:48,330 --> 00:37:52,830 road. And I see this Google sign. And it said, like, a three 669 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,040 fencing Google us and had the Google logo. I'm like, man, 670 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:02,040 maybe it's, I actually stopped the car to get out and take a 671 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,300 picture, believe it or not, John. Well, hold on a second. So 672 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,980 I parked the car, I take myself and I go to take a picture. And 673 00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:14,100 like, I'm sure this is like some kind of marker for Google street 674 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:16,530 maps, right? They're finally hitting my town. And this is 675 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,960 interesting. So I go over to take the picture. And then I 676 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,360 realised it's actually an ad for the fencing company. And it's 677 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:31,800 not Google us. It's a three fencing Google us. Google, but 678 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,520 it took me My mind went immediately to oh, this is 679 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,820 secret. Michael had the it didn't say Google isn't it said 680 00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:42,990 Google. But it was the Google logo. And in the words, Google 681 00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:45,960 spelled outside like that, that must be some kind of marker, but 682 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,290 it was just an ad. If you want to get a three fencing. Go 683 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:50,400 ahead, Google us. 684 00:38:53,970 --> 00:38:56,730 She was like a some sort of a violation of copyright. The 685 00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:57,570 Easter logo? 686 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,870 No, I'm not. I'm sure it is. But who gives a shit? Well, 687 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,870 so anyway, these I visited a friend of mine, because I went 688 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,010 down to the, to Livermore the other day, and to look at some 689 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:11,520 software he's developing. And he gave me his address, punched it 690 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,550 into the Google Maps. And they had in this on the middle of 691 00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:17,790 nowhere, they had not only he didn't even know this, but they 692 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:21,540 had not only that street, in that, you know, they have the 693 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,780 view, Google view or whatever it's called have the actual 694 00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:27,840 photos of the houses. But yeah, I could find you actually could 695 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,460 find his house in high def. And, you know, I could desert there 696 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,070 was his place and I went and saw it. And it was that was it. And 697 00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:38,280 I just thought it was kind of creepy, isn't it? It's, it's 698 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,760 it's it's useful and creepy at the same time, because I have a 699 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,390 total mixed feeling about it. It's like it's something it's 700 00:39:45,390 --> 00:39:47,700 handy. I mean, it's cool, because then you want to drive 701 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:50,100 around so much looking for something. I can see where it 702 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,430 can be very useful. But it's like do we really need all of 703 00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:57,030 our houses had to you know, I mean, it's almost as though it's 704 00:39:57,030 --> 00:40:00,660 like for the invasion of the Nazis or something. mean? Like, 705 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,870 what do we need the? No, I haven't, like I said, I don't 706 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:07,320 know, how do you feel about it? Because I can't come to any kind 707 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,220 of a conclusion. 708 00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,640 I understand what you mean, because Patricia has the same 709 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,460 feeling, because because I've introduced her to Google Earth. 710 00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:20,790 And, and, you know, she's looking at houses right now in 711 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:23,730 the city. And so I said, Well, you just get the zip code or 712 00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:26,670 postcode, as they call it here, you just entered in boop, you 713 00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:29,370 zoom right in, and you can zoom in, zoom out. And she's and 714 00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:31,980 she's really, really enjoying that process. But whenever I 715 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:35,100 show her our house, he's like, Well, that's kind of creepy, 716 00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:38,340 too. Well, yeah, I mean, you get the good with the bad now, 717 00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:42,630 personally, as an aviator, I, it's awesome. Because, you know, 718 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:45,480 the whole idea of flying to an airfield you've never been to 719 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,070 before. And yeah, you can see a picture. And most airfields in 720 00:40:50,070 --> 00:40:52,650 airports have pictures now, you know, aerial pictures, that 721 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:55,470 website so you can get some information. But when you can 722 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:58,410 actually fly in approach with Google Earth, you know, it's 723 00:40:58,410 --> 00:41:00,270 like, Okay, here's where I'm going to be coming in from, 724 00:41:00,270 --> 00:41:03,930 okay, it looks like that, you know, Boyd gives you such a self 725 00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,540 assured feeling you really understand the layout, you have 726 00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:11,070 the situational, situational awareness from a much richer 727 00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:14,910 data set than what you typically have in aviation, which is, you 728 00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:20,130 know, maps and charts and, and symbols and warnings. So in that 729 00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:22,650 way, I think it's good. I don't mind you know, look, the 730 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:25,650 government can see what I'm buying with my credit card. You 731 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:27,870 know, what the fuck difference? Do I care if someone can see my 732 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:31,740 house? You know, it's all over there is no privacy. It's a it's 733 00:41:31,740 --> 00:41:32,460 a joke. 734 00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:38,760 Well, it is a joke, but I think we need to fight for our rights 735 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,840 to privacy anyway. 736 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:42,600 Well, that thing about the credit card that's bugged me 737 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,450 that's, you know, I've been watching no one is talking about 738 00:41:45,450 --> 00:41:48,540 that. And even not even unblogged Where is where is 739 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:50,400 that? Where's the outrage over that? 740 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:54,330 Oh, about the fact that they could tell everything and you 741 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:54,870 know, the, 742 00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:58,050 the credit card companies have to report all transactions to 743 00:41:58,050 --> 00:41:58,650 the government. 744 00:42:00,210 --> 00:42:03,960 They say they're not abusing it, you know, but they go to a G 745 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,240 right. And think about all that info. That's weird. I mean, we 746 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,250 blogged it and there's nobody you Oh, well, it's just 747 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:10,530 terrible. It's gotten to the point where they're just 748 00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:13,500 hounding us to such an extreme, you're taking away our rights 749 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,770 and putting cameras everywhere giving us we're giving. 750 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,390 We're giving up. 751 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:21,060 I think it's pathetic, 752 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,320 someone sent me a quote. I gotta play this for you now, because I 753 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,780 thought that was actually really fucking brilliant. And even 754 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:33,390 though I played on the daily source code, listen to this on a 755 00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:34,890 second. Play this. 756 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:39,360 Hi, Adam, this is Justin from back into this podcast. And 757 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,850 you've been talking about lately, why people won't stand 758 00:42:41,850 --> 00:42:46,590 up for their liberties being stripped away? Well, I figured 759 00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:53,460 out and it's like this. Okay. All that was required of them 760 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:59,700 was a primitive patriotism, which could be appealed to 761 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,180 whenever it was necessary to make them accept longer working 762 00:43:03,180 --> 00:43:08,850 hours, or shorter rations. And even when they became 763 00:43:08,850 --> 00:43:14,970 discontented, as they sometimes did, their discontent led 764 00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:21,090 nowhere. Because being without general ideas, they can only 765 00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:27,570 focus on petty specific grievances at from George Orwell 766 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,450 1984 All right, man, they work for us. So 767 00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:38,370 that brings Britney Spears back into the picture. I 768 00:43:40,170 --> 00:43:45,120 mean, yeah, exactly. It is exactly right. Britney Spears. 769 00:43:46,050 --> 00:43:48,180 Now. distractions, 770 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:51,480 distractions and Britney Spears is one of them. And Amy Wiley. 771 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,100 And Amy Winehouse. Yeah, well, who's you know, on a death 772 00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:56,970 spiral? Oh, 773 00:43:56,970 --> 00:44:02,070 hold on. I wish we did that. We named last week's episode where 774 00:44:02,070 --> 00:44:06,060 we name it Yahoo. Microsoft equals Britney Spears. Yeah, we 775 00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:08,760 did that to see if it would jack up the numbers. Let me just 776 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,590 check. Because I haven't actually looked haven't looked 777 00:44:13,590 --> 00:44:14,580 at in a while. 778 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:18,480 I had a couple of people write in about that. Say What is that 779 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,470 supposed to mean? Even though anyway? I'm thinking 780 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,320 Did you listen to the show? Yeah. Did you listen to the 781 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,870 frickin show? Get the hell out of here. 782 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:32,460 Listen to the show. We explained in great detail it means 783 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:37,800 Jeez Louise fuck I don't have my password. 784 00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:41,850 So you sent me a you So you sent me a picture of your aeroplane. 785 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,730 Which I should blog by the way unless you don't want me to. 786 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,360 Yeah, it's okay. 787 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,120 It's it's a it's a photoshop job. Obviously my wife isn't 788 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,140 actually on the nose. 789 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:52,950 I was I was not aware of that. Because I was thinking that the 790 00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:55,350 joke was no wonder she won't fly with 791 00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:58,410 you that well that's that's why someone made that photoshopped 792 00:44:58,410 --> 00:44:59,970 picture for me, because oh 793 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,040 It's a great feature great Photoshop yeah no it's your well 794 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,110 I mean even being told as Photoshop I'm not I'd have to 795 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:12,360 really have to have a bigger blow up to see that it was a 796 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,710 fake pencil it's actually you maybe should have somebody you 797 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:20,250 know separate the type font being used there I don't like 798 00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:24,480 that particular font it's I know what it is too and it's just old 799 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,020 fashioned you should really go really old fashioned and do some 800 00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:31,020 font from like World War Two Yeah, but better people out 801 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:33,450 there when are we talking about our blog this blog it's a 802 00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:35,790 picture of Adams little aeroplane I'll have 803 00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:37,890 my people blog this for me. Yes, John. 804 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,920 Rambo do it. It's a picture of fabric and put it on the cage 805 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,390 match. It's a picture of Adams airport but but it has like one 806 00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:52,440 of those like a world war two painting of Varga girl up far 807 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,850 girl on the front. And like, you know, the bombers used to have 808 00:45:57,030 --> 00:46:01,560 it was the name the lady Patricia. stencilled on it next 809 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,570 to it and it looks real? Good one. 810 00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:08,430 I've seen my new plane John, I can't wait it comes out in 2010. 811 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,370 But is it you're gonna buy a Dreamliner? No. 812 00:46:12,930 --> 00:46:17,820 No, it's serious. There. There's been a lot of talk about this. 813 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:20,640 And they there were some like sneak shots. Finally, it's about 814 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,600 to make its first test flight in the actual model and you know 815 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,180 the the configuration that that they're going to sell it in. 816 00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:31,350 It's called the the jet is what they call it. And it's a set 817 00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:34,740 it's really it's a five person but it can be with as to jump 818 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:38,250 seats. So it can be a seven person personal jet with one jet 819 00:46:38,250 --> 00:46:43,680 engine. It has approach speeds similar to that of propeller 820 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,740 aeroplane. So you could land it, you know on on smaller air 821 00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:50,580 strips. It does about 300 knots. But the price tag is what's 822 00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:54,960 amazing, is going to be like $1.3 million. Of course in 2010. 823 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,910 That may mean nothing it could that they might it might have to 824 00:46:56,910 --> 00:47:01,380 be $10 million. But at today's price is $1.3 million, which for 825 00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:05,640 what you're getting. Aeroplan wise is just a lot of plane 826 00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,290 what's what is the jet normally cost? 827 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:14,040 Well he doesn't work that way. But what do you what do you want 828 00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:19,590 you got you know which model the 25 to 35 the 45 the 55 You know, 829 00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:21,690 do you want are you talking about just give me some price 830 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,780 give me a price range? Well how many people do you want to move 831 00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:27,570 and how far that's it doesn't work by that's the only way it 832 00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:30,150 works. How far do you want to go and how many but there's 833 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:33,060 a try there's got to be a price for the cheap one. What's the 834 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:36,360 cheapest jet you can buy? Well okay, let's look at only goes 835 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,890 five miles I mean, I don't care 836 00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:42,480 about that. But that's what it's about John. You can't 837 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,260 give me a price you're like what are those? What can I what do I 838 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:48,510 have to pay let me get well you know, if you have to ask you 839 00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:49,680 can't afford I'll give you 840 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,430 a range. Okay, I'll give you a range to this the Cessna, the 841 00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:58,050 Cirrus jet will be $1.3 million is range will be about 1000 842 00:47:58,050 --> 00:48:01,890 nautical miles. And you can let's just say you can take five 843 00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:05,100 adults that sitting down not walking around the cabin. Okay. 844 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,270 Now on the other end of the spectrum, you have Ray Lane, who 845 00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:13,350 has a G five which he can carry, I think it's configured for 14 846 00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:17,250 people with a bedroom and a shower and stand up cabin, you 847 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,450 know, that's like $57 million. So if you're, if you're looking 848 00:48:21,450 --> 00:48:25,950 at anything comparable to this Cirrus jet would be more than 849 00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:29,790 the $3 million range. So it's really it's an incredible price 850 00:48:29,790 --> 00:48:34,650 reduction. Okay, even if you were to get a turboprop King 851 00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:39,270 Air, you know, it's gonna be $2 million for a very comparable 852 00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:41,760 aeroplane. But this one will actually fly cheaper because it 853 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,760 only has not only does not have a prop, it only has one engine. 854 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,340 It's a new power plant. You know, this isn't this isn't new. 855 00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:52,470 This thing is really tiny. It's, it's yeah, it's phenomenal. And 856 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:55,830 what I like about it is they model the aeroplane after a car 857 00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:00,300 after the conveniences of a minivan which I've been saying 858 00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,180 for years you know there's the flying car will not happen. It's 859 00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:04,200 called an aeroplane. 860 00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:09,570 You know, it's it's a image of a flying minivan it's just be I'm 861 00:49:09,570 --> 00:49:13,980 gonna have to do a photoshop job myself to spell this series 862 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:14,430 serious thing 863 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:20,340 to go to a Cirrus design CI rrU s design.com. 864 00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:25,980 You know, you're in a sour mood today, by the way. No, 865 00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:28,380 not at all. Not at all. I'm just fighting back. I'm just not 866 00:49:28,380 --> 00:49:29,610 going to take any shit from you. 867 00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:32,580 I think so. I think you're something you're accused of. 868 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,110 Serious plus garment equals revolution. Yeah. Are they 869 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,650 hooked up with Garmin? Yeah, this was this the SR 22 You're 870 00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:41,130 gonna get 871 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,030 no no, not the SR 22 Go to the jet. So the SR 22 was a very 872 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:48,540 successful model they made I think it is called the jet Yeah, 873 00:49:48,540 --> 00:49:50,760 the jet. Yeah, look at it, man. Look at 874 00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:56,399 V tail. Well, then the jet engine sits on top of this 875 00:49:56,399 --> 00:49:57,419 really pretty thing. 876 00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:00,000 If you go deeper into the site and it talks about the head 877 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,740 straight because they've been developing this thing for like 878 00:50:01,740 --> 00:50:05,460 15 years, you'll see how they came up with the with a V tail 879 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,680 solution. And why? It's there's a lot of thinking it's really 880 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,380 it's a fascinating story. And that whole company has just been 881 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:16,950 amazing the series aeroplanes, although I won't fly that one 882 00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:20,220 because I don't like their fibreglass plastic as a wing 883 00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:25,680 that just feels dinky to me. I'm definitely more sheet metal and 884 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,850 rivet type guy, 885 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:32,160 but brings up the interesting story which, curiously, I was 886 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,300 thinking about earlier, because I'm holding a piece of plastic 887 00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,850 that fell off of something I have around here in the messy 888 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:43,470 office which needs cleaning, by the way. That's a some sort of 889 00:50:43,470 --> 00:50:46,680 composite thing. And I was thinking about how you know, 890 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,820 with tennis rackets. They went from wood rackets to aluminium 891 00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:54,660 rackets to graphite composite rackets, which essentially now 892 00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:57,750 they're all high tech rackets. And, you know, which is the same 893 00:50:57,750 --> 00:51:00,180 progression that we've had with aeroplanes, which is wooden 894 00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:04,860 planes, to aluminium, to now the Dreamliner from Boeing, which is 895 00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:10,230 what I thought you were buying is, there's no money. It's all 896 00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:14,400 composite. I don't know. I mean, do you trust that? I mean, is 897 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,900 that yes, scary? You 898 00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:19,320 know? No, no, because when I was flying helicopters, helicopter 899 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,870 blades used to be made of metal. In fact, at one point, they were 900 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,540 made of wood, they're all composite. Now, now that's such 901 00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:28,380 a strong man, the fibreglass stuff that Cirrus is doing? I 902 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:31,230 don't know about that. Because you know, if you're if you shake 903 00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:34,110 one wingtip, the other one really rattles up and down. It's 904 00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:36,570 just like, it just doesn't feel right. And by the way, any any 905 00:51:36,570 --> 00:51:41,130 aircraft manufacturer who includes a parachute with their 906 00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:43,710 aircraft, it just doesn't sound right. 907 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,960 It's just the planes that have the parachute that the whole 908 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,380 plane gets parachuted down. Yeah, it's called. You familiar 909 00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:53,040 with that? Right? 910 00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:56,160 Yeah, that's what this is. It's called the ballistic recovery 911 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:56,700 system. 912 00:51:57,539 --> 00:52:01,169 Right. So in other words, the plane craps out. Yeah, at the 913 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,169 middle of nowhere, you just put pop to shoot and the entire 914 00:52:04,169 --> 00:52:04,739 plane 915 00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:08,640 floats around safely to Earth now, almost every new plane? 916 00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:11,610 Don't you think that? Well, let me explain. 917 00:52:11,999 --> 00:52:14,519 So is the jet going to have that? Yes. 918 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,520 So so this is obviously it's a new development, and now all 919 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,540 these aircrafts are being outfitted with it. But it's, you 920 00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:26,850 know, from an aviation standpoint, first of all, it's 921 00:52:26,850 --> 00:52:28,890 heavy, adds a lot of weight. There's a lot of extra 922 00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:31,350 splitting. There's some downsides to having the system 923 00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:35,340 onboard. But what what is happening and this is why you 924 00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:38,700 know, aviators think is kind of lame is that it's not because 925 00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:41,520 the plane is crapping out it's, you know, the planes are flying 926 00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:43,950 is because people now are pushing themselves into 927 00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:46,800 situations they really shouldn't put themselves in because 928 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,170 they're just not experienced enough. Because they think they 929 00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:53,340 have this ultimate backstop of a parachute. Yes, this, by the 930 00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:56,790 way, is the same aircraft that Corey little killed himself in 931 00:52:56,790 --> 00:53:01,020 when he crashed on the east side of the New York River. That was 932 00:53:01,020 --> 00:53:05,760 an sr 20 I think it's either 20 or 22. You know, but But that's 933 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,800 really what's happening. And if you look at the statistics of 934 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,320 people who pull the parachute on these planes, it's because they 935 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,020 got into into a situation they never should have been in and 936 00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:16,050 they they are pushing themselves too far. And you know, at a 937 00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:19,650 certain point, I look at Cory little you can't the parachute 938 00:53:19,650 --> 00:53:23,850 is not going to help you. You know, he that accident was a 939 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,150 terrible terrible underestimation a bad bad 940 00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:28,560 judgement call. 941 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:32,250 Yeah, we talked about that before. I can't remember the 942 00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:32,850 details. 943 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,590 I'd be happy to tell you about you if you want to go with so 944 00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:37,710 I'm 945 00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:40,950 looking at the interior of this jet. I'll go for a ride on this 946 00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:41,280 thing. 947 00:53:41,310 --> 00:53:42,390 How hot is that? Huh? 948 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:44,610 Oh, it's gorgeous. Yeah. 949 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,750 One point and you see how little that engine is? It's a very tiny 950 00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:49,170 engine. 951 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,130 Yeah, no, it's looks like it's so cute. I mean, it's like a jet 952 00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:57,090 fighter. This thing looks very futuristic. It's a very pretty 953 00:53:57,090 --> 00:53:59,880 plane. And for the price I'm sure it's a deal. 954 00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:02,640 Oh, it's an incredible deal because I've been looking. I've 955 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,010 been thinking you know, in a year and a half or so maybe, you 956 00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:08,490 know, maybe a little more time. Who knows I definitely want to 957 00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:11,790 do some more. You know, flying at altitudes so you want to have 958 00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:14,760 something that's pressurised. Protect particularly my wife 959 00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,780 altitudes don't work well with her and or circulation for a 960 00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:23,850 heart. And so I've been looking at the Piper Meridian and that's 961 00:54:23,850 --> 00:54:27,990 a single engine turboprop which is smaller than this much 962 00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:30,750 smaller in fact, that's $1.8 million dollars. You looking at 963 00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:36,120 a King Air 1.9 And this is a revolution the pricing is just 964 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:38,250 an outrageously low price. 965 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,360 Well you know the thing that's everyone's Well, I can't 966 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,950 consider this the small general aviation planes these little one 967 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:53,430 engine prop jobs. You know, the Jets have long since then me for 968 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:56,790 commercial aviation. Nobody uses prop planes anymore. So you 969 00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:58,830 know, there may be some old clunkers left in the car. I 970 00:54:58,830 --> 00:55:01,470 kind of just interrupt you and tell you that there is since the 971 00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:05,070 Cirrus came out there's a whole revolution in air taxis these 972 00:55:05,070 --> 00:55:08,310 things are being used all across America as air taxis for 973 00:55:08,310 --> 00:55:09,450 commercial aviation 974 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:15,840 Well, you know the prop planes are being used by horizon and 975 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,200 all these little puddle jumpers for small airports all over the 976 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,030 place. But I've always been of the opinion that there's that's 977 00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:31,710 because they have never shrunk the jet engine enough. So if you 978 00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:38,220 do the math on how the two engines work the Jets are just 979 00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:39,510 superior to to 980 00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,650 drop so Oh, absolutely. Well, that's what this whole VLJ 981 00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:46,260 category is about as they're called very light jets, and 982 00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:50,970 they're all using these new smaller turbans, Honda is 983 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,330 they're coming out with a it'll have two engines, but it's also 984 00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:57,150 a very light jet. It's also going to have a very low price. 985 00:55:57,420 --> 00:56:01,110 It's it's different. You know, it's much more of a corporate 986 00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:04,410 type get me from A to B quick type of thing. Whereas this this 987 00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:07,140 series thing looks kind of like a family family roundabout. In 988 00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:11,010 fact, you'll see it when you look at the site later you'll 989 00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:15,210 see a picture of a minivan and how they modelled. You know 990 00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:17,880 everything. Even the doors open up like a minivan, you know, 991 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,330 gullwing doors opening up on both both sides easy to get into 992 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:24,360 it. That's the future man. It is. I mean, yeah, it's still 993 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,230 expensive. But look at how cheap that's it's a 50% or 100% 994 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:31,170 reduction in price in just a few years. 995 00:56:31,650 --> 00:56:38,550 Worth 50%. If the 100% would be 50%. William is the thing that 996 00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:41,340 intrigues me here is the jet again and not so much because I 997 00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:45,060 can't afford one of these obviously, I don't fly. But I'm 998 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:47,610 looking at this as like, there's an interesting investment 999 00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:49,920 opportunity for people making the small adjustments. So the 1000 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,860 company making this little fan Get the f j 33. For a dash 19. 1001 00:56:56,340 --> 00:56:59,280 Is the company a really? And what do we know about them? 1002 00:57:00,930 --> 00:57:03,180 I don't know much about them at all, except that there's a whole 1003 00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:03,750 story there 1004 00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:06,060 as well. And companies to me always. Pratt and Whitney 1005 00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:08,340 General Electric and Rolls Royce are the big boys. Yeah, 1006 00:57:08,370 --> 00:57:12,180 these Well, it's all it's all this new technology to be able 1007 00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:13,650 to create this shit in your garage. 1008 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,270 And it's interesting, you know, 1009 00:57:18,990 --> 00:57:22,410 hey, here's one for you, John. I just wanted to read this. This 1010 00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:25,530 was the front page of the Financial Times yesterday. This 1011 00:57:25,530 --> 00:57:30,510 was kind of amazing. So Gazprom, which, of course, is the the 1012 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:36,450 Russian gas and oil company, who I think they pretty much stole 1013 00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:39,840 all of the everything from every other company and person who 1014 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,080 owned anything that had to do with gas and oil in Russia. 1015 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:45,030 Isn't that kind of what's been happening for the past five 1016 00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:45,510 years? 1017 00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:49,530 And this just some level? There's some kind of corruption 1018 00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:50,520 we don't understand. 1019 00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:56,700 Yeah. So anyway, the CEO, said, he came out and said, OPEC 1020 00:57:56,730 --> 00:57:59,910 doesn't determine the price of oil anymore. He says, you know, 1021 00:57:59,940 --> 00:58:03,180 even if they raise production, the price of oil still goes up. 1022 00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,420 He says they have no real influence on prices. Not a 1023 00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:08,790 single decision has been passed of late that would really 1024 00:58:08,790 --> 00:58:12,000 influence the global oil market. And here it comes. In the coming 1025 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,680 years, Gazprom will not just will, will be not just a major 1026 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,920 company in the world, but the most influential in the energy 1027 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,070 business, adding that his target was to reach a market 1028 00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:28,260 capitalization of $1 trillion. And goes and goes on to say, 1029 00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:32,370 check this out. Competition for gas and other energy resources 1030 00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:35,640 was growing. And he stood by his prediction the price of oil 1031 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,730 would hit $250 A barrel next year. 1032 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:41,640 Wow, that's a good one. 1033 00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:44,220 That's good. That and the front page, man, I was like, Holy 1034 00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:44,940 crap. 1035 00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:48,810 I haven't heard the 250 thing. I know they're pushing the 200. So 1036 00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:55,830 we I was doing Andrew Horowitz's show today. And because he had 1037 00:58:55,830 --> 00:58:57,360 Michael Greenberger, on 1038 00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:59,130 which I did you do this really early this morning? 1039 00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:04,380 Yeah, that feels great. Yeah. Is that it? Was that video? Maybe 1040 00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:08,130 I'm the Grouch? No, no, it was just an audio thing. But Michael 1041 00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:10,680 Greenberg is the guy who has been testifying in front of the 1042 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,150 Senate. He's a former regulator, about the fact that these oil 1043 00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:18,120 prices are fixed. They're rigged. There's a there's a 1044 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,900 fully baloney market that has no supervision. And nobody knows 1045 00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,360 what's really going on in the background. And when and this 1046 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,850 the president of Shell came out the other day saying, hey, the 1047 00:59:26,910 --> 00:59:30,450 oil prices are bullshit. They're real. The price should be around 1048 00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:31,320 80 bucks. 1049 00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:34,860 Meanwhile, Bourassa, the President of the European Union 1050 00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:39,600 said it has nothing to do with traders but he's he has started 1051 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,780 an investigation. They will report back in December. 1052 00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:46,860 Yeah, when you know when we were broke, and 1053 00:59:46,860 --> 00:59:49,620 we're broke, thank you. So 1054 00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:54,810 they the fact of the matter is this all stems from a 2000 and 1055 00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:59,970 writer put into a bill in Congress called the Enron 1056 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,850 loopholes. And I tell people, you can go look it up and read 1057 01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:06,390 it all you want on your own. And this loopholes never been closed 1058 01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:10,020 is what caused the Enron crisis is what's caused the Nash, you 1059 01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:14,070 know, the fact that Morgan Stanley now holds monopoly 1060 01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:17,430 powers over most of the heating oil that's going to be going 1061 01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:21,210 into the Northeast. I'm not heating oil, but the natural gas 1062 01:00:21,210 --> 01:00:24,810 that people use to warm their houses when it gets cold. And 1063 01:00:24,810 --> 01:00:28,110 there's all these other elements of just out and out corruption 1064 01:00:28,110 --> 01:00:31,230 based on the fact that there's an unregulated trading market 1065 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:35,490 that is essentially fixed. There's no supply and demand 1066 01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:39,120 problem, like all these writers are putting out there because 1067 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,210 you because if there's a supply, and you would be able to do 1068 01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:45,360 transparently see if there is, but if somebody's telling you, 1069 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,510 yeah, yeah, yeah, we got what you want to buy some futures 1070 01:00:48,510 --> 01:00:53,040 contract for oil. It's a 140. And that that's it, you know, 1071 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,120 you got no choice, because they're making it up. So it is 1072 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,490 142 Tomorrow, then it's 150. 1073 01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:03,180 So what you just said that I Googled Enron loophole, the top 1074 01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:09,690 link is something called Stop oil. speculators.com. Yeah. Have 1075 01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:11,220 you seen that when I have no, no, I haven't. 1076 01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:13,620 But people should be catching. 1077 01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,080 This should be a waste of this. Yeah, this is crazy. And this is 1078 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,070 happening in London. We talked about this last week in London, 1079 01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:23,850 most of the actions in Dubai, which is a conflict of interest 1080 01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:26,700 in it, and the argument is that Dubai is regulating, you 1081 01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:28,950 shouldn't have to worry because they're regulating this and 1082 01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:30,570 they're not here to this day, 1083 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,010 the so called swaps loophole. financial investors can game the 1084 01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:37,590 markets for pure profit by buying up positions in the 1085 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:40,620 energy markets without any limitation on the size of the 1086 01:01:40,620 --> 01:01:44,100 positions they can take. One recent estimate suggested that 1087 01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:47,970 they now control 1/3 of the commodities markets or $150 1088 01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:51,960 billion, a 1,000% increase in less than five years. 1089 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,440 That's the moneymaker. Yeah, you know if we could show but here's 1090 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,860 the deal that Greenberger made clear, because I was bitching 1091 01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:07,560 about, he was bitching about a couple of New York Times 1092 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,850 columnist, they're also on the wrong side of the argument. But 1093 01:02:12,090 --> 01:02:18,420 he says that right now, these guys watch the various 1094 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,700 investment houses. Morgan Stanley, that was the other one 1095 01:02:24,750 --> 01:02:28,800 from anyone, anyone who's in commodities. Anyone who was a 1096 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,880 commodity swaps, 1097 01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:34,590 he says that right now, they've got so many lobbyists, because 1098 01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:38,580 the Congress is knowledgeable about this, but they're, they're 1099 01:02:38,610 --> 01:02:41,910 you know, they're they're still not closing the loophole 1100 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:45,270 completely. And that needs to be done. And there's a million 1101 01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:48,210 lobbyists that are in Congress right now trying to talk people 1102 01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:50,760 into vote not vote taking that position anymore. Just you know, 1103 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,910 let it happen. Free market, you know, fair, you know, this, you 1104 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:56,490 know, this whole free market absolutism, which is like 1105 01:02:56,490 --> 01:03:00,030 screwing us because there's not a free market when it's rigged. 1106 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,110 And it's the public has to start writing their congressman and 1107 01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:07,440 their senators and bitching and say, Look, we're watching you. 1108 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,650 If you vote with these guys, you're voting against us voting 1109 01:03:10,650 --> 01:03:11,460 for high gas 1110 01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:13,500 prices. Yeah, screwing us over. 1111 01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:16,740 And so the whole thing is a scam. 1112 01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:21,510 So on the lines of something similar to that, if you have a 1113 01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:24,240 chance, John, listen to yesterday's daily source code. I 1114 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,070 know you don't know you have no time in your 1115 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:29,490 busy life. This I almost listened to it yesterday. Okay, 1116 01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:33,300 because I interviewed Vivian Redding. And she is the 1117 01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:35,970 Commissioner of the Information Society and media for the 1118 01:03:35,970 --> 01:03:40,200 European Union. She is in what I call Starfleet Command. This is 1119 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,260 she's she's at the same level as nearly cruise the woman who was 1120 01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:48,690 fined Microsoft billions of dollars. Yeah. And so I spoke 1121 01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:52,740 with her and she does something really interesting. In Europe 1122 01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:56,940 today, we still have roaming pricing when you go from one 1123 01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:58,860 country to the next. And of course, we're trying to pull 1124 01:03:58,860 --> 01:04:01,860 Europe together to be one entity in the United States of Europe. 1125 01:04:02,250 --> 01:04:06,210 So when you go from the UK, of course, to anywhere in the 1126 01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:08,610 continent, but even if you've crossed the border from Holland 1127 01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:11,460 into Belgium, and there's not even a sign as far as I can 1128 01:04:11,460 --> 01:04:13,620 recall, it's not like Welcome to Belgium, all of a sudden you're 1129 01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:16,050 there. If you keep driving to Germany, you don't have to show 1130 01:04:16,050 --> 01:04:20,040 your passport any of this. But then you're done. You're on 1131 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,500 roaming prices the way it used to be in the States until the 1132 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:25,350 big networks you know, really got created. But even if you 1133 01:04:25,350 --> 01:04:28,830 have Vodafone in the UK, and there's a Vodafone and every one 1134 01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:33,240 of these countries, you're still paying for incoming calls up to 1135 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:38,040 like 20 euro cents per minute. outgoing calls are like 60 or 70 1136 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:44,100 euro cents per minute a text messaging 50 cents per ship that 1137 01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:47,400 I lose you John That sure sounds like it I knew that was gonna 1138 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:55,320 happen hold on we'll get John back hear me Yeah, I got you boy 1139 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,010 that was fucking Skype like completely crashed and started 1140 01:04:59,010 --> 01:05:00,510 whining and all fine stuff. 1141 01:05:03,389 --> 01:05:05,489 As you go, you went offline and everything. 1142 01:05:05,609 --> 01:05:09,299 Yeah, no, it crashed really hard. Anyway, so we're back. I 1143 01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:10,709 don't even know what I was saying anymore. 1144 01:05:11,489 --> 01:05:14,159 Alright, well, I do I know exactly what you were saying. 1145 01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:17,279 And you can go right and cut right into it. You were saying 1146 01:05:17,489 --> 01:05:21,929 it was 20 cents to get an incoming call. Right. Going 1147 01:05:21,929 --> 01:05:22,469 roaming. 1148 01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:25,800 So anyway, so this is and then for mobile data, if you want to 1149 01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,960 use the internet from a different country than your home 1150 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:32,580 country, 15 euros, right. So that's almost 30 bucks per 1151 01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:37,860 megabyte. So this obviously this shit had to stop. And yeah, oh, 1152 01:05:37,860 --> 01:05:44,370 you know, it's fucking outrage. So this Vivian reading in 1153 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,910 February, she said, All right, you know, you guys can't be 1154 01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:52,380 trusted, I'm going to slap down regulation on on voice calls. So 1155 01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:56,670 she did. And anyone the calls have actually become reasonably 1156 01:05:56,670 --> 01:06:00,960 affordable, like 36 euro cents per outgoing per minute for an 1157 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,800 outgoing call, it's still, you know, it's just a start. But 1158 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,410 anyway, so I started following this woman and all the stuff 1159 01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:10,290 that she's doing. And you know, she's like, really, she's really 1160 01:06:10,290 --> 01:06:13,380 bringing the hammer down. And she's saying to every single one 1161 01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:17,550 of these operators who say, You better bring down your your text 1162 01:06:17,550 --> 01:06:21,540 messaging, your data pricing by July 1, if you don't, then I'm 1163 01:06:21,540 --> 01:06:23,490 going to then I'm going to kick your ass, and I'm going to put 1164 01:06:23,490 --> 01:06:27,600 regulations in place. And so I called her up. And right now 1165 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,390 they even have this. Her current pricing demand is 28. You know, 1166 01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:38,850 just as a benchmark is 28 cents if you send an SMS text message, 1167 01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:41,820 while roaming, which is still of course an outrageous amount for 1168 01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:46,980 the resources it takes. And so I'm talking to when I said Well, 1169 01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:48,960 you know, here in the Netherlands, you know, not a 1170 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,450 single one of these operators but basically blowing the 1171 01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:54,990 whistle on was really cool. And she now she's gonna hammer him 1172 01:06:55,020 --> 01:06:57,210 it was really it was a fascinating was only like, eight 1173 01:06:57,210 --> 01:07:00,810 minute an interview. But fascinating how much power she 1174 01:07:00,810 --> 01:07:03,420 has. And it was really interesting to hear her talk 1175 01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:07,110 about about Europe, and how this you know, how we have to 1176 01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:09,720 harmonise these markets. And yeah, you get these operators 1177 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,450 and all like, no, let the market work. It'll be okay. And she's 1178 01:07:12,450 --> 01:07:17,250 like, bullshit. She almost said bullshit. No, it was it was I 1179 01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:21,000 was just I was really endear to how she was how she was 1180 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,820 speaking. And, you know, just the power that emanates from our 1181 01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:29,190 words. And like, that's really interesting that there's your 1182 01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:31,380 government doing something for you, of course, if it gets 1183 01:07:31,380 --> 01:07:35,040 turned against you as equally as scary, but, ya know, 1184 01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:39,870 that's one good side, I have to say. I mean, the Neely, woman 1185 01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:42,330 and this woman, obviously. I mean, they're, they're think 1186 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,360 they're consumer oriented. And there's nothing wrong with that. 1187 01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:50,610 And I'm not, you know, I'm sick of the deregulation and the free 1188 01:07:50,610 --> 01:07:54,960 market absolutism, which is, you know, which is I mean, we're not 1189 01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:57,390 there's a reason for governments, we're not a bunch 1190 01:07:57,390 --> 01:07:59,850 of anarchism. You know, if you take everything to a logical 1191 01:07:59,850 --> 01:08:04,650 extreme, the free market should, we should have no laws, the free 1192 01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:07,590 market decide. And if you don't like your competition, you can 1193 01:08:07,590 --> 01:08:10,410 shoot them, and they can shoot back at you. I mean, that's what 1194 01:08:10,410 --> 01:08:12,420 it really boils down to. It's simple. No, you have to have 1195 01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:14,670 laws against murder. Well, if you have to have laws against 1196 01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:16,920 murder, you have to have laws against other things, too, don't 1197 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,240 you? Yeah. So you're just have no laws, and we can just shoot 1198 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,210 each other. So the whole thing makes no sense from a logical 1199 01:08:24,210 --> 01:08:26,340 perspective. And the fact that we're getting screwed over by 1200 01:08:26,340 --> 01:08:30,270 these operators that already have essentially quasi price 1201 01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:33,120 fixing and manipulative powers, it's ridiculous, and there's 1202 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,550 something has to be done about it. And obviously, the public 1203 01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:38,490 doesn't give a crap because they don't do anything, but you know, 1204 01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:39,810 complain to each other. 1205 01:08:39,810 --> 01:08:44,310 Maybe. Yeah. So I so I come so I called her up. And I complain 1206 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:46,320 that these guys aren't complying. And she says, Well, I 1207 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,560 did give them until July 1, she said maybe a miracle can happen. 1208 01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,200 I said, Yeah. And maybe the Dutch will win the European Cup. 1209 01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:57,540 You know, and she taught me a new word. Because you know, I 1210 01:08:57,540 --> 01:09:00,780 was basically you know, I wanted to see if she really understood 1211 01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:05,040 you know, what the actual costs were of like mobile data and 140 1212 01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:08,850 characters in a text message so you know, I launched into this 1213 01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:11,970 thing about you know, this is you know, this is a scam you 1214 01:09:11,970 --> 01:09:14,940 know, does it cost nothing you know, once you're connected the 1215 01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:18,480 data is so minimal the only reason that jack up these prices 1216 01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:20,760 because they want you to keep using the phone the voice you 1217 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,610 know as to how can you as the Information Society 1218 01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:26,280 Commissioner, you know, stand by and you know, watch this shit 1219 01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,090 happen. That she said, Yes, it is an anachronism. I was like, 1220 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:36,090 Holy crap. What's that? What's a good word though? Which 1221 01:09:36,090 --> 01:09:38,370 basically means something not of this a Yeah, sure 1222 01:09:38,369 --> 01:09:43,739 is. Yeah, it's a classic. The well you know, the funny thing 1223 01:09:43,739 --> 01:09:47,909 is I have to bring up just kind of an American side to this, 1224 01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:51,179 which has always kind of fascinated me. You know, I've 1225 01:09:51,179 --> 01:09:55,469 always thought when this when the mobile phone Vista began the 1226 01:09:55,469 --> 01:10:01,289 best and and we didn't have a lot of competition. And it was, 1227 01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:03,569 you know, it was almost like the key business where, you know, 1228 01:10:03,569 --> 01:10:06,149 one guy had a whole area to himself and you kind of stuck 1229 01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:08,909 with it and that kind of thing. And there's a lot of competition 1230 01:10:08,909 --> 01:10:11,429 in Europe, there's a bunch of different companies. But when 1231 01:10:11,429 --> 01:10:15,659 you start looking at the actual prices that you pay per minute, 1232 01:10:15,929 --> 01:10:18,479 it seems to me that my already talked to people in Europe, they 1233 01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,529 were paying always more. Yeah. Especially when they were 1234 01:10:22,529 --> 01:10:25,259 roaming, I missed, like ridiculous amounts of money, and 1235 01:10:25,259 --> 01:10:28,379 they shouldn't be on the phone more. I mean, how do they afford 1236 01:10:28,379 --> 01:10:28,619 it? 1237 01:10:29,609 --> 01:10:34,439 Yeah, well, you know, so nationally, that, you know, you 1238 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,719 can get some pretty good deals, obviously. So when it's all 1239 01:10:36,749 --> 01:10:39,539 traversing a national network, you know, if you, if the whole 1240 01:10:39,539 --> 01:10:43,829 family has T Mobile or orange or whatever, you know, obviously, 1241 01:10:43,979 --> 01:10:46,409 they have great deals in that. And they have, you know, 1242 01:10:46,409 --> 01:10:49,469 bundles, you know, that it's all about the marketing, trying to, 1243 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,919 you know, to give you something that you really need, and then 1244 01:10:52,949 --> 01:10:55,289 charge a little bit extra for something you don't really want, 1245 01:10:55,289 --> 01:10:58,049 but then maybe you use it, I mean, at this point, and we look 1246 01:10:58,049 --> 01:11:04,169 at America, and this is also on my conversation with some Nokia 1247 01:11:04,169 --> 01:11:08,339 folks. And I think everyone pretty much knows that, you 1248 01:11:08,339 --> 01:11:12,929 know, Nokia has a proportionally small corner of the market in 1249 01:11:12,929 --> 01:11:17,069 the US, we should maybe I think, you know, 10%, or whatever. And 1250 01:11:17,069 --> 01:11:20,879 the reason why is because they were a production company, we 1251 01:11:20,879 --> 01:11:23,399 make stuff and then we have to go market it but we can't market 1252 01:11:23,399 --> 01:11:26,279 that in the States. Because the whole phone experience, 1253 01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:30,059 everything that is marketed to you is about the network. You 1254 01:11:30,059 --> 01:11:33,959 know, there's your network is with you, you've got more bars, 1255 01:11:34,949 --> 01:11:38,639 you know, more places for reception. None of it's about 1256 01:11:38,639 --> 01:11:41,759 anything, but then it's never about the phone. It's always 1257 01:11:41,759 --> 01:11:45,029 about the network. And this is it's these guys are just 1258 01:11:45,089 --> 01:11:49,559 breaking it in left and right. It's a duopoly or whatever, 1259 01:11:49,619 --> 01:11:53,639 whatever it would fall under, but it's totally unfair pricing. 1260 01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:58,230 Yeah, that's a good point. I never thought about it. But it 1261 01:11:58,230 --> 01:12:01,920 shefford Apple when they market their phone by themselves 1262 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,270 without the help of anybody. 1263 01:12:03,540 --> 01:12:07,080 Right. Right. But look how far that got them now. Now they had 1264 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,590 to cut deals. Subsidy deals with all the carriers. So they're the 1265 01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:13,470 kind of slipping into the same patterns. Everyone else. 1266 01:12:13,949 --> 01:12:17,009 Right. And but not you mentioned it. I never thought about this. 1267 01:12:17,009 --> 01:12:20,129 You're right. The only ads you see are for the quality of the 1268 01:12:20,129 --> 01:12:20,669 network. I'm 1269 01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:23,279 sorry, I didn't hear you, Ron. John, what do you say? 1270 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:29,490 That is an interesting Freudian slip. That is the only GADS that 1271 01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:32,760 you see in the United States for cell phone, the cell phone 1272 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,180 business tends to be well actually, there's two kinds one 1273 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:39,870 is the network. You're right. And in fact, that's all you see. 1274 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,170 Who's that? Who's that there? Oh, that's my network, though. 1275 01:12:43,170 --> 01:12:44,370 Although the group of people 1276 01:12:44,699 --> 01:12:46,409 though group of people have fallen, which isn't, you know, 1277 01:12:46,409 --> 01:12:49,499 good value. Can you hear me now? Is that part of that? And then 1278 01:12:49,499 --> 01:12:53,039 the other one that you do get is the is the phoney Baloney, you 1279 01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:57,359 know, sign everybody up your friends favourites Ryan and you 1280 01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:00,989 get the call to want to do your top five as much as you want. 1281 01:13:01,619 --> 01:13:06,659 And, you know, we have that planet, this bullshit. Really. I 1282 01:13:06,659 --> 01:13:09,299 mean, you just steal all these weird charges. And you can't 1283 01:13:09,299 --> 01:13:12,419 figure out what the bill means. I mean, this is why I personally 1284 01:13:12,419 --> 01:13:16,619 tell people look, get a disposable phone to the little 1285 01:13:16,619 --> 01:13:18,989 phones that they give you for the disposable business, you 1286 01:13:18,989 --> 01:13:21,239 know, they're actually quite powerful. They're in colour. 1287 01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,679 Now. They got a lot of features that are pretty SMS. I mean, I'm 1288 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,499 saying you're talking about a phone, it costs 20 bucks. Yeah. 1289 01:13:28,559 --> 01:13:31,319 And then you buy these little, you know, you buy some time 1290 01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:34,199 every once in a while. And if you don't, you know, you get you 1291 01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:36,959 last a whole year. I mean, I don't get a monthly bill. That's 1292 01:13:36,959 --> 01:13:41,129 indecipherable. My wife uses the old, regular system, she gets 1293 01:13:41,129 --> 01:13:45,029 bills for hundreds of dollars. And I'm like putting out like 12 1294 01:13:45,029 --> 01:13:47,009 bucks every once in a while. I mean, the difference is 1295 01:13:47,009 --> 01:13:49,169 ridiculous. If you want to go through the trouble, it's a 1296 01:13:49,169 --> 01:13:50,219 hassle. Yeah. 1297 01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:55,080 Well, you know, I, you and I probably aren't the typical 1298 01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:00,030 phone customer. Yeah. The not the not the mass market. You 1299 01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:00,720 certainly aren't. 1300 01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:03,750 No, I know. Because I don't like these things. Actually. The 1301 01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:06,990 curious thing about this is my daughter, who's 13 Now she's 1302 01:14:06,990 --> 01:14:11,460 going to be 14 shoots soon. She doesn't like yakking on the cell 1303 01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:14,190 phone all the time. Maybe that'll change 1304 01:14:14,219 --> 01:14:17,189 now. No, Christina uses it for for text messaging. That's what 1305 01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:19,229 that's really what it's for. It's text messaging. My 1306 01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:23,670 son. Yeah, my son who's 20 He's something he's you're young. 1307 01:14:23,670 --> 01:14:27,960 He's still just finishing college. He's in it with a group 1308 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,650 of people and all they do is text message. They're just 1309 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,320 constantly typing to each other. I never see him talk on the 1310 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,950 phone. Once in a while. He talks to his girlfriend you know, has 1311 01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:40,380 a short conversation but generally speaking, but they're 1312 01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:43,860 not only text messaging, but their text messaging constantly. 1313 01:14:43,890 --> 01:14:44,190 Yeah, 1314 01:14:44,460 --> 01:14:47,280 it's an ongoing conversation. I know I have my daughter is 1315 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,770 almost 18 has the same behaviour. And what's really 1316 01:14:49,770 --> 01:14:52,620 cute is my wife and daughter together you know, you know how 1317 01:14:52,620 --> 01:14:54,510 moms are and they want to know where you know there's a 1318 01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:57,840 connection. We always want to know where they are and moms and 1319 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,920 daughters. It's something special I'm, and she's always 1320 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,510 texting back and forth with Christina. 1321 01:15:05,489 --> 01:15:07,769 Here's why I gotta tell you something that's funny. So we 1322 01:15:07,769 --> 01:15:11,219 should probably do this reconnect here on Skype. Maybe I 1323 01:15:11,219 --> 01:15:16,229 should try calling you. You had to do just a minute ago. I 1324 01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:19,199 couldn't hear you at all that I've never heard this on Skype 1325 01:15:19,229 --> 01:15:22,109 ever and I'd like to get an explanation for it. I didn't 1326 01:15:22,109 --> 01:15:25,559 hear you at all. And then you came on. I didn't miss anything. 1327 01:15:25,739 --> 01:15:30,029 You came on at high speeds, like a fast forward talking really 1328 01:15:30,029 --> 01:15:30,569 fast. Oh, 1329 01:15:30,569 --> 01:15:32,789 John, this is I've been listening to you that way for 1330 01:15:32,789 --> 01:15:35,339 the past hour, almost. And we've had the shittiest connection. I 1331 01:15:35,339 --> 01:15:37,889 didn't want to say anything. But yeah, what it does is it tries 1332 01:15:37,889 --> 01:15:41,459 to do a catch up. And so it's actually pretty smart. So you 1333 01:15:41,459 --> 01:15:43,529 don't really lose any of the conversation because the 1334 01:15:43,529 --> 01:15:46,889 degradation of the connection. It just speeds up to catch up in 1335 01:15:46,889 --> 01:15:50,939 real time. Oh, it's buffering. Yeah, it's really smart shit. 1336 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,330 But I'm listening to wow. Because 1337 01:15:55,109 --> 01:15:57,209 that's the way the whole show should be should be in triple 1338 01:15:57,209 --> 01:15:58,379 speed. There you go. 1339 01:15:58,979 --> 01:16:02,339 Oh, you know, you could you could run it through a process 1340 01:16:02,339 --> 01:16:02,789 that do that. 1341 01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:07,260 Did you see that? I, I encoded it like 64 kilobits to make a 1342 01:16:07,260 --> 01:16:10,860 much smaller file size on last week's show. It sounded the 1343 01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:15,510 same. Yeah. Because it's, it's just my voice in the crappy 1344 01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:17,820 Skype. So you don't need much more. 1345 01:16:18,449 --> 01:16:21,869 Yeah. Which was the size was the file. So yeah, because the show 1346 01:16:21,869 --> 01:16:23,429 was so long. Yeah. 1347 01:16:24,029 --> 01:16:27,089 Well, I know, I know, people want to put it on, on thumb 1348 01:16:27,089 --> 01:16:31,589 drives, they want to burn it on to as an mp3 onto a CD or, you 1349 01:16:31,589 --> 01:16:33,629 know, they want to know, the length, of course, determines 1350 01:16:33,629 --> 01:16:38,009 that you still need to CDs. But I have gotten complaints in the 1351 01:16:38,009 --> 01:16:40,769 past people said yeah, it's just unnecessary to like, yeah, 1352 01:16:40,769 --> 01:16:41,429 that's a good point. 1353 01:16:42,899 --> 01:16:46,229 Yeah, no, it isn't. That's a good it's a good point. I used 1354 01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:49,739 the I'm one of the types who burn things on CDs. Yeah. I like 1355 01:16:49,739 --> 01:16:52,679 that to honestly bring the car because I can throw it in the 1356 01:16:52,679 --> 01:16:56,519 car. You know, I don't have a hookup. I mean, it'd be cool if 1357 01:16:56,519 --> 01:16:59,399 I had. So you know, you must be car. I mean, I mean, the new 1358 01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:01,859 BMW, they have USB connectors to the 1359 01:17:02,220 --> 01:17:06,030 steroids, not even BMW is my daughter's Renault. Twingo has 1360 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,920 an amp and so it has a regular three and a half millimetre 1361 01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:14,940 audio jack, it has an iPod connector, and it has a thumb 1362 01:17:14,940 --> 01:17:18,300 drive connector. So you can just connect a thumb to get thumb 1363 01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,120 drive or a thumb drive, and it'll play it right through the 1364 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,000 system. And this is a little cheap car. 1365 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,940 I you know, I think probably most of the cars should be 1366 01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:29,190 having that if you don't already. I haven't kept up I 1367 01:17:29,190 --> 01:17:30,060 don't have a new car. 1368 01:17:30,690 --> 01:17:33,690 That's kind of my point is I think it's it's become, you 1369 01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:37,890 know, it's the call polar of, of the year 2000. A, you know, 1370 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,850 yeah, it can't be too expensive to implement. But, but until I 1371 01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:45,000 get that, your waggon should yeah, thumb drives the way to 1372 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,430 go. If I could put this thing as you get, you get the file on a 1373 01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:50,730 thumb drive, I got it. The thumb drive I carry around is 32 1374 01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:56,070 gigabytes. So there's lots of room. And so I would or I just 1375 01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:57,630 take any old thumb drive, what difference does it make, but 1376 01:17:57,630 --> 01:18:02,040 anyway, sticker, I put it on as just as a download file an mp3 1377 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,860 on a thumb drive, and I stick it on the car and listen to it. I 1378 01:18:04,860 --> 01:18:08,490 will I think, you know, this is an untapped, you know, people 1379 01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:12,900 still, you know, have mixed feelings about audio podcasting. 1380 01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:16,110 But I still think that this is really what, because this is 1381 01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:20,160 what I prefer listening to in my car. I'd rather listen to 1382 01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,280 lectures about stuff that I'm what I want to hear about, I'd 1383 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,770 rather hear one of these shows that doesn't have a lot of 1384 01:18:25,770 --> 01:18:30,630 commercials. And it's, you know, personalities that are more 1385 01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:33,870 contemporary than the typical radio personalities. No offence 1386 01:18:33,870 --> 01:18:39,300 to you guys. And, you know, it's not like, I'm a kid. But I'd 1387 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:41,940 rather have that stuff. And I wonder if you know how many 1388 01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:46,320 people are out there, obviously 1000s that are already moved 1389 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,510 over completely. And they just stopped listening to the radio. 1390 01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:50,910 You know, I was just talking to Leo on one of the shows 1391 01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:54,030 recently, and he who's a radio guy, and he just thinks radio 1392 01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,470 has been dead for years. 1393 01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:59,370 Yeah, it is it so first of all, I totally agree. Second of all, 1394 01:18:59,430 --> 01:19:02,430 this reminds me I think there's a company called pod dango. And 1395 01:19:02,430 --> 01:19:04,680 that's what they're called. And I always like what they had set 1396 01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,860 up and there have they have some marginal success. I'm not quite 1397 01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:09,720 sure exactly what they're doing. I haven't tracked him but I 1398 01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:13,500 think they got some funding and the idea was just good. They 1399 01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:18,570 distribute thumb drives, that includes player software, so you 1400 01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:21,720 stick it in any computer, you know, it kind of auto recognises 1401 01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:24,360 up pops a player and there's kind of like you're, you're on 1402 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,420 the go radio experience and you can plug it into almost any 1403 01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:30,480 computing type device or any device that will understand you 1404 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:35,460 know how to play the files. And I died, you know, I pretty much 1405 01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:40,200 exclusively listened to, to audio shows, you know from I've 1406 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,130 set up a couple of channels. So my my iPod always has the 1407 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,340 latest, you know the latest episodes of stuff that I want to 1408 01:19:47,340 --> 01:19:51,930 listen to. I will say though, that I find that I probably have 1409 01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,230 about 40% what we'd call mainstream in there so stuff 1410 01:19:55,230 --> 01:20:01,710 like the New York Times front page or I Do listen to on the 1411 01:20:01,710 --> 01:20:06,750 media is another NPR show I like but you know, the rest is all is 1412 01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:13,050 all pretty much independent. In the UK though the radio still 1413 01:20:13,050 --> 01:20:16,710 there's me like radio for it's still pretty damn good. I mean, 1414 01:20:16,710 --> 01:20:20,310 there's some really interesting shit they're doing on radio, I 1415 01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:23,640 mean, they still have a radio culture here, which is pretty 1416 01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:26,820 deeply embedded and it's not, you know, it's just like a male, 1417 01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:30,630 it's just not all top 40 or whatever genre music you know, 1418 01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:34,290 with monkeys, reading liner cards and stuff like that. It's 1419 01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:36,000 yeah, good radio, 1420 01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:39,780 you don't have the commercial interruptions, which really 1421 01:20:39,780 --> 01:20:43,560 changed the flow show. I mean, people who listen to me on any 1422 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,920 of these things know that I'm like a fan. I do. Listen, I do 1423 01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,610 listen to the radio, but I tend to be a fan of, of the worst 1424 01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:54,510 kind of radio, although it may be the best kind of radio, which 1425 01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:59,880 is sports talk radio, which is, you know, brain dead. A lot of 1426 01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,760 people don't get, but it's like, you know, it's I listened to it. 1427 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:07,680 And I also listen to political right wing chatter, which I find 1428 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,910 to be highly entertaining and kind of interesting. I probably 1429 01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:14,040 don't listen, anything else, I do listen to some college 1430 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,190 stations once in a while, when I close to them, they're very low 1431 01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:20,220 power, typically, because they don't have any commercials. And 1432 01:21:20,220 --> 01:21:22,950 I will listen to NPR once in a while. But NPR is I think it's 1433 01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:27,210 very slow moving. And it's ponderous. And they and it's got 1434 01:21:27,210 --> 01:21:29,610 the voice, it's always you know, the guys talking like they're 1435 01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:32,310 gonna have this certain kind of a sound to it. And there's a 1436 01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:37,560 kind of a, a fake gravi toss that slightly annoying when you 1437 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,630 listen to it. And, but I do, I will list too. I get on a public 1438 01:21:42,630 --> 01:21:45,690 radio station now and stay on it for a while. But generally 1439 01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:48,180 speaking, they still aren't as good as some of these podcasts. 1440 01:21:48,180 --> 01:21:49,890 And most of those guys are doing podcasts, too. 1441 01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:54,000 So let me ask you a question. Do you have a system set up? Do you 1442 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,020 use iTunes? Or do you just grab something at random? Do you find 1443 01:21:58,020 --> 01:22:03,090 yourself repeating, downloading things? I mean, I basically have 1444 01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,350 a channel set up on bvo. And that's always synced to my iPod. 1445 01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:09,180 And so I always have the latest things, I can tell you what I'm 1446 01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:12,090 listening to. But do you have a set number of things you listen 1447 01:22:12,090 --> 01:22:12,840 to I don't I, 1448 01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:20,340 I'm more of the hunter gatherer type. Instead of automating it 1449 01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:25,800 like I would, I would limit my kind of exposure to weird stuff. 1450 01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:28,320 I tend I'm like one of the worst guy and like the kind of guy 1451 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,740 that should visit my blog, which are, you know, they show up once 1452 01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:34,170 in a while, but they're not coming every day. And 1453 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,670 essentially, what I'll do is I'll fight I'll find a cache of 1454 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,830 interesting podcasts right now. I'm ploughing through the stuff 1455 01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:48,330 that's been done over the last number of years. ad tech 1456 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:53,760 conferences. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. They have a slew of 1457 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,280 podcasts. And they're all hour long, because they're 1458 01:22:56,460 --> 01:22:59,580 essentially presentations with you know, you miss out because 1459 01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:02,610 you can't see that PowerPoint. But usually, you don't need 1460 01:23:02,610 --> 01:23:05,400 PowerPoint that's just there to, you know, have something for 1461 01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,360 people to look at. But I've been downloading those things and 1462 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,210 listening to those, like constantly. And I mean, hours 1463 01:23:12,210 --> 01:23:15,510 and hours and hours and hours and hours of this kind of thing 1464 01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:18,810 is because I'm kind of like a marketing hobbyist. And so I'm 1465 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,420 listening to all these, what you know, what the trends are, and 1466 01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:24,270 all this other stuff. And I'll go through probably most of 1467 01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:27,660 them. And it'll be taking a month or two. And then I'll go 1468 01:23:27,660 --> 01:23:30,660 for scrounging around and I'll find some other website with 1469 01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,410 some interesting podcasts outs, I'll sample a couple. And if 1470 01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:40,320 they interest me, I'll burn them on the sea. And so I'm not, you 1471 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,770 know, a normal listener. And if I'm just gonna listen something 1472 01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:46,650 casual, listen to some, probably some crap on the radio. 1473 01:23:47,489 --> 01:23:49,799 You want to hear my list? Because because it's always the 1474 01:23:49,799 --> 01:23:54,089 same. Go Well, I made changes, obviously. And by the way, you 1475 01:23:54,089 --> 01:23:57,119 can subscribe to this. So you can get the same shows in the 1476 01:23:57,119 --> 01:23:59,279 same order. So first of all, that was something that I don't 1477 01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:04,769 have publicly available is about a guy I met online, a buddy who 1478 01:24:04,799 --> 01:24:07,979 puts up with the Howard Stern Show all four or five hours 1479 01:24:07,979 --> 01:24:11,729 every day. So he records it off a serious and then he puts up a 1480 01:24:11,729 --> 01:24:14,909 little feed a little private feed and so I get that and you 1481 01:24:14,909 --> 01:24:18,209 know, sometimes I'll I'll listen to two hours of Howard Stern, 1482 01:24:18,209 --> 01:24:20,609 but most of the just days that are on listened to, but I do 1483 01:24:20,609 --> 01:24:25,379 like to see you as guests are but anyway, so I have New York 1484 01:24:25,379 --> 01:24:29,639 Times front page, I have a test thing called the robot weather 1485 01:24:29,639 --> 01:24:34,499 which is a robot voice. Whether transcoder for the Guilford 1486 01:24:34,499 --> 01:24:39,899 region then I have tech five Meet the Press video. News pod 1487 01:24:39,899 --> 01:24:42,629 which is the that's a that's a great you should listen to that 1488 01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:47,069 one. John, the BBC News pod wishes. It's highlights from all 1489 01:24:47,069 --> 01:24:50,249 these years. Okay. Yeah, it's a highlights from all the best BBC 1490 01:24:50,249 --> 01:24:54,479 radio programmes and of course talk shows from the previous 1491 01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,609 day, and it's about it's 30 minutes each time. It's like a 1492 01:24:56,609 --> 01:24:59,489 great catch up. That's perfect. Yeah, I think you'd like that. 1493 01:24:59,999 --> 01:25:02,819 Yeah, buzz out loud, which I haven't been listening to a lot 1494 01:25:02,909 --> 01:25:05,969 recently. There was for a while I listened to every day. Then 1495 01:25:05,969 --> 01:25:10,559 Pacific Coast hell away on the media in business, which is 1496 01:25:10,559 --> 01:25:13,139 another BBC show. It's Peter Day. Another great one 1497 01:25:14,429 --> 01:25:17,939 that I have that I have heard that one that it's good. 1498 01:25:17,969 --> 01:25:20,999 Yeah, that's good. The Gilmore gang, which I kind of stopped 1499 01:25:20,999 --> 01:25:26,429 listening to. I was listening regularly for a while that went 1500 01:25:26,429 --> 01:25:30,839 away. They've got lost tapes that have got Newsweek on air 1501 01:25:30,839 --> 01:25:34,829 than I have. twit. BBC Breakfast takeaway, another one you might 1502 01:25:34,829 --> 01:25:39,089 be interested in. It's the morning news segment from BBC 1503 01:25:39,089 --> 01:25:44,159 Breakfast Show it's video. Then I have dope fiend, the cannabis 1504 01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:49,919 Podcast Network. I have CNN marketplace update. Music, New 1505 01:25:49,919 --> 01:25:53,489 York Times music podcast and I have the jazz sweet. I love the 1506 01:25:53,489 --> 01:25:59,189 company. Irwin's podcast, NPR fresh air. Dr. cockney, the 1507 01:25:59,189 --> 01:26:01,859 President's weekly address. I love listening to that. That's 1508 01:26:01,859 --> 01:26:07,109 always funny. Hey, Mr. Jesse, it was a great music show. Advice 1509 01:26:07,109 --> 01:26:10,559 with Don as Don Maselli, from the hills of Florence is my 1510 01:26:10,589 --> 01:26:14,429 sister in Italy. And then and then there's stuff at the end, 1511 01:26:14,489 --> 01:26:17,459 you know, I may not even listen to on a regular basis. As a 1512 01:26:17,459 --> 01:26:20,009 couple more it goes on a bit. But that's kind of my regular 1513 01:26:20,009 --> 01:26:24,209 list. And it's, as you can tell a lot of it's shorter form. Most 1514 01:26:24,209 --> 01:26:24,509 of it. 1515 01:26:26,370 --> 01:26:28,920 Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, listen to that every day that it 1516 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,180 rotates out, right? 1517 01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:32,280 Yeah, whenever there's a new episode it comes in and if I 1518 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,440 miss it, then I just miss it. You know, I don't even catch up 1519 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,330 on those things. I'm mostly what do I 1520 01:26:36,569 --> 01:26:39,389 what point do you and I always worry about this? Because I do 1521 01:26:39,389 --> 01:26:42,629 it on a lot of these pod casts myself. I do. You know, this one 1522 01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:45,899 here in particular is is is the most experimental because it's 1523 01:26:45,899 --> 01:26:47,699 so damn long. Yeah, we're an hour and 1524 01:26:47,699 --> 01:26:50,789 a half almost jungle. Actually. It's shorter than that. Because 1525 01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:53,399 there's a piece of gotta cut out when we lost the connection. But 1526 01:26:53,399 --> 01:26:54,179 yeah, it's long. 1527 01:26:54,929 --> 01:26:57,869 It's a long show. And it goes on and on and on, and on and on. 1528 01:26:57,869 --> 01:27:01,019 And nobody complains about the length generally. And that's 1529 01:27:01,019 --> 01:27:03,359 makes it worse, because then we don't feel obliged. 1530 01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:05,970 I know. I'm like, I'm not done yet. They it's almost an hour 1531 01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:09,210 and a half. Let's break the two hour limit. We can do it, 1532 01:27:09,210 --> 01:27:09,720 Johnny. 1533 01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:14,129 That's the don't know. But anyway, so we will anyway, you 1534 01:27:14,129 --> 01:27:18,479 know that. So? So what is it that gets people to the point 1535 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,379 like you said, you don't listen to Gilmore gang anymore, and you 1536 01:27:22,379 --> 01:27:24,929 don't and buzz out loud was a I remember when you first 1537 01:27:24,929 --> 01:27:27,089 discovered that you were like jacked up about it. And you 1538 01:27:27,089 --> 01:27:31,349 listen to it constantly. Yeah. And what and I wonder because I, 1539 01:27:31,379 --> 01:27:34,619 you know, this is not my listening habits are different 1540 01:27:34,619 --> 01:27:39,809 because I listened to mostly lectures. And but what is it 1541 01:27:39,809 --> 01:27:42,989 that happens? And I wonder about this for just anybody? Because 1542 01:27:42,989 --> 01:27:45,599 you because you have to assume that some people were listening 1543 01:27:45,599 --> 01:27:49,799 to no agenda, maybe for the first 20 episodes, and then at 1544 01:27:49,799 --> 01:27:54,209 some point, they just stopped? Yeah. What happens? What what is 1545 01:27:54,209 --> 01:27:58,349 it about as you get sick of the two jerk offs? Or are you just, 1546 01:27:58,649 --> 01:28:03,479 I mean, what is it repeating themselves? Or what is the 1547 01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,159 sociology here? Well, there's 1548 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,090 a couple things at play. And I'm speaking partly from my 1549 01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:15,570 experience in radio. It has to do with the regularity of it. So 1550 01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:19,920 here's the trends I detect. So there there is a when people get 1551 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,130 hooked, it's like mainline and, you know, the if they can't 1552 01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:25,350 listen to something during one day, because what gets in the 1553 01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:27,810 way, of course, is life, you know, not everyone's life is 1554 01:28:27,810 --> 01:28:30,660 exactly the same, your commute is not exactly the same, your 1555 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:34,290 mood is not exactly the same, which is why we have choice and 1556 01:28:34,290 --> 01:28:37,920 why you can listen to different things. But with if you're 1557 01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:41,850 jacked into a show wishes, you know, a longer format, like this 1558 01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:44,670 one or more daily source code, or twit is another perfect 1559 01:28:44,670 --> 01:28:48,270 example. When you're when you're jacked into that your main 1560 01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:51,030 lining, you know, is like you can't miss out on the 1561 01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:53,670 conversation because something happened in a previous episode, 1562 01:28:53,670 --> 01:28:57,330 and you have to catch up. So the shorter form stuff is much 1563 01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,290 easier to dip in and out of that long form stuff. Yeah, at a 1564 01:29:01,290 --> 01:29:04,380 certain point, I think you just get tired of it. And by the way, 1565 01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:08,160 you know, it's okay. You know, come back in a couple months, I 1566 01:29:08,190 --> 01:29:11,880 when I lived in New Jersey, and drove to New York, every single 1567 01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:16,320 morning, five days a week. Every morning, I'd listened to Howard 1568 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,530 Stern religiously, even the replays when he was on vacation. 1569 01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:23,670 And what would happen every single time after, you know, X 1570 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,790 amount of weeks, or sometimes days. He's like, I don't feel 1571 01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:29,100 like it anymore. I just changed but you come back, you know, you 1572 01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:32,250 go in and out. It's just life, John that just gets in the way. 1573 01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:36,750 Now, what I've taken away from it is my daily source code is no 1574 01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:40,410 longer daily. And I found that unfortunately, the name doesn't 1575 01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:44,340 fit anymore, but people kind of anticipate, you know, so now I 1576 01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:46,890 do maybe two or three Shows a week. This last week was 1577 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:51,240 horrible, only did one but I know that it'll be good because, 1578 01:29:51,300 --> 01:29:53,640 you know, I've got all the energy together and that's kind 1579 01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,310 of the other side of the equation. You know, when we do 1580 01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:59,370 this one show a week. I look forward to it. It builds up I'm 1581 01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:02,430 excited about Have you know about doing it on a Saturday? 1582 01:30:03,690 --> 01:30:07,290 But my life also changes in his dynamic. So you know, I can just 1583 01:30:07,410 --> 01:30:11,130 roll out a show. I can do. I can set up, I can schedule time 1584 01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:14,460 every morning at nine to record but it's gonna suck because I 1585 01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:17,130 won't be in my element, you know. So I think this, the 1586 01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:20,430 fluidity of it is is really important not that I've cracked 1587 01:30:20,430 --> 01:30:23,910 anything on that yet. But yes, it's from both ends. 1588 01:30:23,939 --> 01:30:27,779 But let's just distil that. There's a couple issues here 1589 01:30:27,779 --> 01:30:31,349 that you we've kind of touched on. One of them A, by the way, 1590 01:30:31,379 --> 01:30:33,749 that for people out there, we have to do the next couple shows 1591 01:30:33,749 --> 01:30:36,659 on Sundays, because I'm going up to Washington for the Fourth of 1592 01:30:36,659 --> 01:30:39,239 July. I'll be back on Sunday. And we're Saturday night, 1593 01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:42,659 actually. And the week after that is my daughter's birthday. 1594 01:30:42,659 --> 01:30:47,309 So Sunday is going to be because people complain to me on email 1595 01:30:47,309 --> 01:30:49,259 that oh, you know, where's the show? Where's the show? Where's 1596 01:30:49,259 --> 01:30:50,999 the show? And you know, we occasionally do the show on 1597 01:30:50,999 --> 01:30:54,389 Sunday, and sometimes on Thursday? I'm, but they're 1598 01:30:54,389 --> 01:30:56,549 always stunned when we're not doing it. You know, when you 1599 01:30:56,549 --> 01:30:57,239 don't post? 1600 01:30:57,269 --> 01:30:59,099 Where's the show? Yeah, it's late. 1601 01:30:59,819 --> 01:31:02,429 Yeah, it's like, come on, I mean, give us a break. But you 1602 01:31:02,429 --> 01:31:05,489 know, I, I think that's cool, actually, that people are that 1603 01:31:05,489 --> 01:31:08,759 intuit that they complain about the, you know, not being there 1604 01:31:08,759 --> 01:31:11,789 when they needed their, you know, fix. But the thing that 1605 01:31:11,789 --> 01:31:14,579 let's go back and look at the Euro commentary about, well, you 1606 01:31:14,579 --> 01:31:16,439 know, you get sick of that. And then you came back here and 1607 01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:18,269 people can come and go, you know, they can listen to the 1608 01:31:18,269 --> 01:31:20,999 show for months on end. And then they can stop listening because 1609 01:31:20,999 --> 01:31:23,999 they hate it. And then they'll come back. The fact in the 1610 01:31:23,999 --> 01:31:28,499 classic sense of marketing. And this is holds true for blogs and 1611 01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:32,639 to is that once you lose a customer, the rule has always 1612 01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:36,929 been it's harder to get a lost customer back than it is to get 1613 01:31:36,929 --> 01:31:39,659 a new customer. And do you really think that when people 1614 01:31:39,659 --> 01:31:42,419 stop listening to no agenda that they ever come back? 1615 01:31:42,449 --> 01:31:46,499 Yeah, absolutely. Oh, 100%? certain of it. Yeah. Oh, they 1616 01:31:46,499 --> 01:31:46,949 definitely 1617 01:31:47,309 --> 01:31:51,929 get some old rule. Well, fuck the old rule. And Shannon, it's 1618 01:31:51,929 --> 01:31:55,019 a violation. There's no reason in that there's something else 1619 01:31:55,019 --> 01:31:56,789 at work here that they would do that. In other words, they'd 1620 01:31:56,789 --> 01:32:00,839 never really quit the show. Now, I think you've probably quit the 1621 01:32:00,839 --> 01:32:01,799 Gilmore gang. 1622 01:32:01,889 --> 01:32:05,519 No, no, no, no, I disagree. I have temporarily I've just No, 1623 01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:09,029 also this is a it's a very long show. And it's like almost every 1624 01:32:09,029 --> 01:32:13,199 day, so I just don't have the time. But you know, twit, even 1625 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:17,009 though sometimes it'll like, this wasn't really a show for 1626 01:32:17,009 --> 01:32:19,739 me. It's not gonna make me quit. Because I know next week, it 1627 01:32:19,739 --> 01:32:22,049 could be extremely exciting could be right on the money, you 1628 01:32:22,049 --> 01:32:24,539 know, could be, you know, there's a lot of excitement 1629 01:32:24,539 --> 01:32:27,689 depending on who the guests are, you know, I'm totally mainline 1630 01:32:27,689 --> 01:32:34,289 on that, on that show, no doubt about it. But if it's, if you 1631 01:32:34,289 --> 01:32:37,289 have a couple in a row that don't work for me, you know, I 1632 01:32:37,289 --> 01:32:37,859 may quit. 1633 01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:40,680 Let's go. Let's stop. Let's stop there and bring this issue in. 1634 01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:44,160 Years and years and years ago, when I was at the University of 1635 01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:44,910 California, 1636 01:32:45,449 --> 01:32:47,639 trying to say one thing, John, I'm sorry, just out of one, I 1637 01:32:47,639 --> 01:32:51,209 want to add one dimension to it. Don't forget that quitting 1638 01:32:51,209 --> 01:32:54,659 listening to the show is not the same as unsubscribing, 1639 01:32:54,899 --> 01:32:57,779 particularly with these audio shows, they still may be coming 1640 01:32:57,779 --> 01:33:01,349 through on someone's iPod or an iTunes, they may iTunes might 1641 01:33:01,349 --> 01:33:03,929 even temporarily disable it saying, Hey, you haven't 1642 01:33:03,929 --> 01:33:06,239 listened to this in a long time. So I'm not going to update it. 1643 01:33:06,419 --> 01:33:08,909 But that doesn't mean that you're not just one click away 1644 01:33:08,909 --> 01:33:11,879 from jacking back into the show, which is a little different from 1645 01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:15,539 the type of marketing speak as scenarios that you outlined. 1646 01:33:15,570 --> 01:33:17,910 No, you're right, because it apparently is always there. So 1647 01:33:19,050 --> 01:33:22,800 you can be tempted. But I want to bring up an interesting 1648 01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,730 point, which is a lecture I heard Wheeler auditorium some 1649 01:33:26,730 --> 01:33:32,040 years ago by Phil Spector. When he was he was a he wasn't too 1650 01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,530 crazy. Phil Spector, he later became but he was still a little 1651 01:33:34,530 --> 01:33:38,010 weird. But he came in to do what they used to have these famous 1652 01:33:38,010 --> 01:33:40,470 people that would come into the University of California, and, 1653 01:33:40,530 --> 01:33:43,920 you know, after hours and give these lectures in the big 1654 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,740 auditorium, Wheeler would hold 1000 people and they pack them 1655 01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:49,290 in. And I went through a lot of these things, and you get to 1656 01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:51,060 hear a lot of people and afterwards, you can hang out 1657 01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:55,410 with them, you know, if you wanted to. And Spector came in 1658 01:33:55,410 --> 01:34:00,840 to do his hour, which lasted three and a half hours. And it 1659 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,140 was three and a half hours of riveting anecdotes and 1660 01:34:04,140 --> 01:34:08,400 observations. And he talked about the singles business back 1661 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,800 in the day when they were 40 fives and they had to have they 1662 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,040 had to hit single. And he says, he says the key to success for 1663 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,520 the hit single business was that you could never you could as 1664 01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:22,950 long as you had never had two singles that were dogs in a row. 1665 01:34:23,490 --> 01:34:27,090 So you were done. You were out of business, you had to have a 1666 01:34:27,090 --> 01:34:29,610 hit single and you had to have a hit single the ones that they 1667 01:34:29,610 --> 01:34:32,430 would plan to jukeboxes, then you had to have a hit single and 1668 01:34:32,430 --> 01:34:35,400 then you could have a dog, they you could be excused one dog in 1669 01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,010 a row, then you'd have a half to have a hit. The next one had to 1670 01:34:38,010 --> 01:34:40,860 be a big hit. And I've always felt that this model was is 1671 01:34:40,860 --> 01:34:43,830 actually what I use when I write columns, because not every 1672 01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:46,890 column has a gym. But if I ever write a crappy column and one of 1673 01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:51,060 my publications I know it's crap. I will go out of my way to 1674 01:34:51,060 --> 01:34:55,620 write a gym the next time because I have aware of this to 1675 01:34:55,620 --> 01:34:58,560 dogs and now you've your once you do the two dogs, you've lost 1676 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,130 customers. If you're not Last year job would be in the record 1677 01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:05,400 industry. And so I wonder when you have these shows, like, you 1678 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,980 know, and you talk about twit and our show and other shows 1679 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:11,220 that people listen to, and it's more risky with a longer format, 1680 01:35:11,370 --> 01:35:15,810 obviously, if you can really get away with having two crappy 1681 01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:18,780 shows in a row like the, you know, what does it does it 1682 01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:21,900 really set you back? And unfortunately, there's not a lot 1683 01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:23,400 of good metrics on this stuff. 1684 01:35:23,430 --> 01:35:26,460 I think that's, that is a very interesting point. And I would 1685 01:35:26,460 --> 01:35:30,120 say that, that it sounds that feels right, that two shows in a 1686 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,630 row that are crappy. And I know that that would warrant a 1687 01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:38,670 temporary suspension. But that is, of course, what's completely 1688 01:35:38,670 --> 01:35:42,480 interesting about this medium is, you know, you don't have to 1689 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:45,090 do a show, you know, there's not not not like the airtime is 1690 01:35:45,090 --> 01:35:48,180 scheduled and waiting for you and has to be filled up. And 1691 01:35:48,180 --> 01:35:52,080 that, of course, is the downside of a regular programme. And I'm 1692 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,110 sure you you can probably say more about this than I can 1693 01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:58,080 because you actually do a show five days a week, and you have a 1694 01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,920 fixed format. And sometimes I'm pretty sure it must sound it 1695 01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,460 must feel like a chore, like, Oh, crap, I got to do that. And 1696 01:36:05,460 --> 01:36:08,340 you fit it in either before you go to bed or you know, whatever 1697 01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:13,800 your schedule is. Whereas with daily source code, I know I'm 1698 01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,250 gonna do a couple of weeks, and I kind of live towards it. And 1699 01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:19,770 sometimes I have a shitty show, or at least that I feel is a 1700 01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:22,500 shitty show. And you're absolutely right, you know, I 1701 01:36:22,500 --> 01:36:24,720 never go back and review a shitty show. I'm just like, hey, 1702 01:36:24,750 --> 01:36:27,240 there'll be another one next time, and I'll do twice as good. 1703 01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:30,990 But to have two dogs in a row, I think you're right. And that is 1704 01:36:30,990 --> 01:36:35,010 the danger with with regularly scheduled programming, where 1705 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,280 even you're being late on posting something can piss off 1706 01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:39,000 your audience. 1707 01:36:40,199 --> 01:36:42,809 Right? They get irritated. They're they're fickle. This 1708 01:36:42,809 --> 01:36:45,809 group. Yep. And that's the guy the reason I went to Team 1709 01:36:45,809 --> 01:36:50,249 blogging, because I knew that the problem with blogs a lot I 1710 01:36:50,249 --> 01:36:53,099 didn't you know, I wasn't, I wasn't the original team 1711 01:36:53,099 --> 01:36:55,079 blogger. My name is boing boing, which is one of the most 1712 01:36:55,079 --> 01:36:59,249 successful blogs in the world is a team blog. And more of a 1713 01:36:59,249 --> 01:37:03,329 publication now and but you know, I went to that because the 1714 01:37:03,329 --> 01:37:06,929 keys to blogging and I tell people this all the time, is 1715 01:37:06,929 --> 01:37:10,709 that you have to post a lot or people just won't come back. And 1716 01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:14,219 it has to do with the with the maybe the two dogs theory, which 1717 01:37:14,219 --> 01:37:16,649 is you go to the blog, you say you have a blog you like and you 1718 01:37:16,649 --> 01:37:20,309 follow it. And the next thing you know, and you know this, 1719 01:37:20,309 --> 01:37:23,729 when you go surfing, you go back to the blog, and you look at it 1720 01:37:23,729 --> 01:37:28,379 and it hasn't been updated for months. You never go back. I 1721 01:37:28,379 --> 01:37:30,509 mean, that's basically you've got you, you may go back one 1722 01:37:30,509 --> 01:37:33,389 more day. That's it, you got your two dogs, you went there, 1723 01:37:33,449 --> 01:37:35,699 it hasn't been updated. You go back, it hasn't updated. You 1724 01:37:35,699 --> 01:37:39,689 never go back. And I think that's the reason that most 1725 01:37:39,689 --> 01:37:44,219 blogs have lousy attendance. I mean, they just can't keep up 1726 01:37:44,219 --> 01:37:48,089 and then guys who I'm always amazed by guys like the jaywalk 1727 01:37:48,089 --> 01:37:51,239 blog welcome Bush's blog, which I'd love to get just have him I 1728 01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:53,729 just talked to him in St. Louis once you just want to just do to 1729 01:37:53,939 --> 01:37:56,849 come over and we'll do to something else, you know, do a 1730 01:37:56,849 --> 01:38:00,449 teen blog, right? This guy for a while I was competing, I thought 1731 01:38:00,449 --> 01:38:03,179 I was competing with him because I was doing a blog by myself and 1732 01:38:03,179 --> 01:38:06,899 I look at his and he was much better blogger than I am. I 1733 01:38:06,899 --> 01:38:09,809 mean, he really gives really good stuff. He's got a lot of 1734 01:38:09,929 --> 01:38:12,269 interest, he's got a good insight on things. But then I 1735 01:38:12,269 --> 01:38:17,369 look at his blog, and he's like blogging himself 5678 times a 1736 01:38:17,369 --> 01:38:21,389 day, holy crap, you can't keep up that kind of pace. And when I 1737 01:38:21,389 --> 01:38:23,699 first started blogging, by the way, I wasn't even putting up 1738 01:38:23,699 --> 01:38:26,489 that much I was putting up like five posts maybe which was, 1739 01:38:26,519 --> 01:38:28,679 which is not enough to make people come back, by the way. 1740 01:38:29,189 --> 01:38:32,039 And I would get letters from people saying DeVore if you just 1741 01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,529 started blogging, you're gonna burn yourself out, you're gonna 1742 01:38:34,529 --> 01:38:37,739 be like everybody else, you're trying too hard. You're blogging 1743 01:38:37,739 --> 01:38:41,159 too much. And I'm thinking, Wait, there's a conflict of my 1744 01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:44,189 thinking here. One, you have to blog a lot to keep people coming 1745 01:38:44,189 --> 01:38:49,469 back. But I'm blogging too much. And I'm not blogging enough. So 1746 01:38:49,469 --> 01:38:52,379 that's when I said, Forget it. I'm bringing in some guys who 1747 01:38:52,529 --> 01:38:55,499 you know, that want to get the because I have the numbers. And 1748 01:38:55,499 --> 01:39:00,179 so the people that get that blog with me, the editors, they are 1749 01:39:00,179 --> 01:39:02,579 getting a lot of attention, which they wouldn't be able to 1750 01:39:02,579 --> 01:39:04,049 do on their own single blog. 1751 01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,290 Well, it's the quick hit mentality. You know, it's and by 1752 01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:09,960 the way, I don't actually go to blogs anymore. I use Google 1753 01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:14,070 Reader and so you know, it just pops up right? Oh, there's 1754 01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:17,670 something new so I'm not wasting any time going around the blogs 1755 01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:20,430 I'm basically looking at headlines and finding stuff that 1756 01:39:20,430 --> 01:39:24,720 interests me which is severely underrated by the way the title 1757 01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,930 of your post because that's how a lot of people get with email 1758 01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:30,720 the same thing subject line most important marketing if you want 1759 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,120 me to open up an email that subject line better say some 1760 01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:33,750 interesting 1761 01:39:35,489 --> 01:39:38,399 No, actually one of the things we emphasise that the divorce 1762 01:39:38,399 --> 01:39:42,689 uncensored blog, which divorced.org/blog For anyone who 1763 01:39:42,689 --> 01:39:47,609 hasn't been there is headline writing. In fact, we go demos 1764 01:39:47,609 --> 01:39:51,449 you know, I used to do a monthly memo on headline writing because 1765 01:39:51,449 --> 01:39:55,439 it's important. And I'll go into myself and be focusing on 1766 01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,389 constraint people if they if they're doing blog posts, they 1767 01:39:57,389 --> 01:40:01,409 want to learn how to handle right in this data subscription, 1768 01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:06,389 the New York Daily Post, The Post newspaper in New York City, 1769 01:40:06,569 --> 01:40:10,619 it's got good headlines and and also the you know, there's a lot 1770 01:40:10,619 --> 01:40:14,429 of a lot of those tabloids that are at the news, checkout 1771 01:40:14,429 --> 01:40:18,239 counter, the star, the Enquirer in places like that those 1772 01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:19,949 headlines are outstanding. Here's 1773 01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:24,630 a little game Ron and I were playing yesterday because this 1774 01:40:24,630 --> 01:40:27,240 is a conversation that we're having internally inside the 1775 01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,090 company as well. Do you have a magazine just laying around just 1776 01:40:30,090 --> 01:40:36,750 any random magazine? John, yeah, yeah, just pick it up. And just 1777 01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:39,630 and just read it. It's, it's funny when you do it. And I just 1778 01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:42,000 picked up a random magazine here. Okay, so I'll go first. 1779 01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:45,030 I'm just gonna read what's on the cover, which is basically 1780 01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:49,680 marketing me to, you know, to buy this magazine. At three 1781 01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:56,760 pounds 70. Michael Staats dream den destination, WT nine 1782 01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:02,370 dynamic. Mighty microlight air cam, lightweight twin splash 1783 01:41:02,370 --> 01:41:07,680 Show Report, hovering out of wind binder, EB 28, the ultimate 1784 01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:11,040 sail plane. Now, that's good shit, man. 1785 01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:14,910 Well, there's a couple of things that you should always note. 1786 01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:20,940 American magazines tend to be subscription oriented. And they 1787 01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:23,700 don't have the great headlines into the European magazines, 1788 01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:25,530 especially the ones in Great Britain, which tend to be 1789 01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:28,410 newsstand oriented, in terms of getting their circulation to a 1790 01:41:28,410 --> 01:41:31,260 certain point. And what I always tell people who are in the 1791 01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:33,990 magazine business, if they happen to be travelling in 1792 01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:37,230 Europe, especially in England, where they can understand what 1793 01:41:37,230 --> 01:41:40,650 the headlines are saying, You should go to the newsstands in 1794 01:41:40,650 --> 01:41:44,820 England and look at the racks and take a look at these covers. 1795 01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:51,210 Because you see dynamic grabbing covers everywhere. And the only 1796 01:41:51,210 --> 01:41:55,410 time that shows up in the stage happens to be with Felix Genesis 1797 01:41:55,410 --> 01:42:00,090 magazines. Maxim is one of the great magazine covers that 1798 01:42:00,090 --> 01:42:07,050 you'll ever see. But it's because it's British. Yeah. But 1799 01:42:07,050 --> 01:42:10,530 yeah, but the bloggers have to learn this because you're right. 1800 01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:14,520 If you're getting that little laundry list from Google alert, 1801 01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,350 or whatever it is, you're talking about an alert but 1802 01:42:16,350 --> 01:42:20,250 Google Reader reader, he has a list of headlines, and most of 1803 01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:22,860 them are so Dahlia, you want to click on any of them. 1804 01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:29,340 Nope. That's another thing man album art. Anyway, we could go 1805 01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:33,480 on forever about all that. Are we done? We have anything else? 1806 01:42:34,050 --> 01:42:36,840 God? No. I mean, God, yes, we're done. 1807 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:38,970 Let me just see if I had anything else. 1808 01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:41,790 I know. I did have one. I was gonna talk about the Mexicans 1809 01:42:41,790 --> 01:42:45,570 invading the United States of Mexican army killing some people 1810 01:42:45,570 --> 01:42:50,700 in Phoenix and Oh, really? Yeah, it's just really some weird shit 1811 01:42:50,700 --> 01:42:53,520 going on. Nobody's talking about much. Well, to give me some more 1812 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,490 info man, what's happening? What's on the blog? Actually, I 1813 01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:58,410 have to bring up the story. Well, there was there was a 1814 01:42:58,410 --> 01:43:02,520 murder in phoenix from the the perpetrators seem to be in the 1815 01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:07,260 Mexican army, working on the behest of the drug overlords, 1816 01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:11,220 which seem to have taken over most of the border. Most of the 1817 01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:16,020 border towns in the United States. Definitely taken over 1818 01:43:16,020 --> 01:43:19,440 all the border towns in Mexico to bring drugs into the country. 1819 01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:22,860 And besides the murder in Phoenix, which nobody really 1820 01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:26,880 covered much. There's another story that developer one of our 1821 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,830 US congressmen had a relative that was kidnapped from her 1822 01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:36,360 store in Juarez and held for ransom, which is by the way, a 1823 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,450 serious problem in Mexico, which is then this has been going on 1824 01:43:39,450 --> 01:43:40,920 for a long time. This happens 1825 01:43:40,919 --> 01:43:43,169 all over the world man kidnapping, but you actually pay 1826 01:43:43,169 --> 01:43:45,269 the money and you get the person back. I mean, it's 1827 01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:48,630 you pay the money. It's just it's, it's, you know, it's 1828 01:43:49,290 --> 01:43:54,300 extortion, kidnapping extortion. To the point I mean, in Mexico, 1829 01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:56,730 for example, I was told a long time ago because you don't like 1830 01:43:56,730 --> 01:43:59,610 you go to Mexico City some of the best parts time and you 1831 01:43:59,610 --> 01:44:03,810 don't see many really cool cars. And somebody mentioned to me 1832 01:44:03,810 --> 01:44:06,870 well, you know, the thing is, if you really have a lot of money 1833 01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:12,450 in Mexico, you buy a clunker and you don't want to know Yeah, 1834 01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:14,700 people will think you're just some bum you know, and you got 1835 01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:18,960 like, you know, missing hubcaps and things like crabbed and it 1836 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:24,420 needs paint you got it made. So you don't see a lot of Mercedes 1837 01:44:24,420 --> 01:44:27,300 and you don't see anything cool. And in Brazil, where they 1838 01:44:27,300 --> 01:44:31,860 actually do like to have nicer cars. I was last time I was 1839 01:44:31,860 --> 01:44:35,520 there, which was like a year ago or a year and a half ago. I'm 1840 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,920 good we go past we're driving around and looking at stuff and 1841 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:42,150 I'm we go past a car dealership that's just apparently a very 1842 01:44:42,150 --> 01:44:45,540 popular. It's a huge car dealership. And anybody had this 1843 01:44:45,540 --> 01:44:48,810 weird Portuguese name for these cars. I can't remember what it 1844 01:44:48,810 --> 01:44:52,800 was like I never saw this word before. So oh, that's a car 1845 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,880 dealership that slapped this bullet through cars for the rich 1846 01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,870 people. So you'd buy a Mercedes in Sao Paulo, that would be like 1847 01:45:01,170 --> 01:45:03,930 ruggedized. I mean, essentially, you know, the door, you push a 1848 01:45:03,930 --> 01:45:06,720 button and everything locks up and they can't shoot through the 1849 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:10,800 glass armour plated. Yeah, the car weighs a tonne. Right. Yeah. 1850 01:45:11,550 --> 01:45:13,860 And thinking, well, that's how they handled it. But you know, 1851 01:45:13,860 --> 01:45:17,370 that hasn't gotten into the US yet. But I'm always worried that 1852 01:45:17,370 --> 01:45:21,660 it will because, you know, now we had a congressman, by the 1853 01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:24,480 freedom of somebody, and we're supposed to be the country that 1854 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,240 doesn't deal with terrorists that way. But meanwhile, we're, 1855 01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:29,910 you know, the US government was like, involved in this 1856 01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:32,880 negotiation. I'm just like, it's not a good sign. 1857 01:45:36,630 --> 01:45:40,380 All right. I got last one last one. My uncle Don was in Korea 1858 01:45:40,440 --> 01:45:45,720 this week. And it did in the result of his work is in the 1859 01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:51,930 paper. And what is it? Oh, you didn't hear about this that? 1860 01:45:53,490 --> 01:46:00,270 Yeah, the they released the information about their nuclear 1861 01:46:00,270 --> 01:46:03,240 programme and everything they've done since like the 60s and 1862 01:46:03,390 --> 01:46:06,060 President Bush said, Oh, well, now I'm going to take you off 1863 01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:07,140 the axis of evil. 1864 01:46:10,050 --> 01:46:12,810 And your uncle Don had something to do with this. Oh, hell 1865 01:46:12,810 --> 01:46:16,830 yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's a major. He's a major negotiator 1866 01:46:16,830 --> 01:46:21,660 for the US and in both South and North Korea. Yeah, he's the He's 1867 01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:24,330 the president of the Korea Society, which is, I'm sure some 1868 01:46:24,330 --> 01:46:27,060 kind of front for something. But now that, you know, the guy was 1869 01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:29,490 ambassador, yeah, he was ambassador in South Korea. So he 1870 01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:33,030 knows a hell of a lot. In fact, he even wrote a New York Times 1871 01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:38,400 op ed on I think, the 17th, where he said, Hey, you know, 1872 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,500 and it's so funny, because I didn't quite understand what it 1873 01:46:40,500 --> 01:46:43,560 was about. He said, You know, don't mess with the Koreans were 1874 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,800 their beef, you know, don't mess with their beef, because they 1875 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,530 get really emotional about it, because this is what their 1876 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,170 parents and grandparents have always made their living on. And 1877 01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:55,770 it's kind of like a holy topic. And you know, Condoleezza Rice. 1878 01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:59,070 Sure, shoot, and like they read in the paper this morning, Jesus 1879 01:46:59,070 --> 01:47:01,620 saying to the people of Korea, well, you know, please consider 1880 01:47:01,980 --> 01:47:03,000 trying our beef. 1881 01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:06,450 Well, you know, when I went there, which was just a few 1882 01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:09,720 weeks ago, I'm reading the newspapers over there and 1883 01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,620 watching the TV. And there's all these riots taking place about 1884 01:47:13,620 --> 01:47:16,500 American beef and how everybody thinks they're being poisoned 1885 01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:19,470 and also how it wasn't there was wasn't one piece of this 1886 01:47:19,470 --> 01:47:21,480 information in the US media. 1887 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,890 Well, except for my uncle Don's op ed, he said, When do you 1888 01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:30,120 remember in a must have been in the 80s? I think when people 1889 01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:34,470 attack the US Embassy in South Korea, yeah. Okay. So my uncle 1890 01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:37,860 Don was the ambassador at the time. And and he wrote, he wrote 1891 01:47:37,860 --> 01:47:40,050 about that, I'll send you the link to his op ed piece he wrote 1892 01:47:40,050 --> 01:47:43,560 about he said, You know, when when people got so pissed off, 1893 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,580 so angry, they broke into the embassy cause $35,000 worth of 1894 01:47:47,580 --> 01:47:50,880 damage. It was about the frickin beef. He said, You gotta leave 1895 01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:55,080 him alone. They do not want a foreign beef. They want that, 1896 01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,630 you know, it's a whole cultural thing. And this is what the guy 1897 01:47:57,630 --> 01:47:59,280 understands. Yeah. And that's, 1898 01:47:59,970 --> 01:48:03,300 that's interesting, because I didn't think that's interesting 1899 01:48:03,300 --> 01:48:05,670 because I know they're beef. They're the like major I mean, 1900 01:48:05,670 --> 01:48:10,620 the beef is there is a is a staple part of their diet. And 1901 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:13,830 it's a part of one of their great all their great dishes of 1902 01:48:13,830 --> 01:48:17,280 Korea or beef dishes. I mean, I'm sure he does some vegetarian 1903 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,070 all right. No, that's not true. They do vegetables too, or what 1904 01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:23,670 have you. But for the most part, it's a beef thing and you when 1905 01:48:23,670 --> 01:48:25,590 you go to a great Korean restaurant, you know, eating 1906 01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:29,250 beef is usually a thin slice gorge. I mean, it's beautiful. I 1907 01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:33,000 mean, that that food in Korea is really nice. It's in Korea, 1908 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,700 there's Korean copies that we have right here always kind of 1909 01:48:35,700 --> 01:48:36,180 lame. 1910 01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:40,920 Well, so I think that that will I mean, I wouldn't have known 1911 01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,220 any of this. I'm just I'm looking for this letter. Now. 1912 01:48:44,220 --> 01:48:50,370 Hold on. Here's here it is. Let me just it's a short one. You 1913 01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:54,270 can just read this Do you mind? Yeah, go okay. To the editor 1914 01:48:54,300 --> 01:48:57,960 regarding South Koreans assail us packed shaking leader front 1915 01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,960 page Jun 11. About the large demonstrations in Seoul. In 1916 01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,440 October 1989. Six Korean college students broke into the American 1917 01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:08,340 ambassador's residence in Seoul and did $35,000 worth of damage 1918 01:49:08,340 --> 01:49:10,890 before being arrested by the Korean police. I was the 1919 01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:14,610 ambassador and the issue was beef. Modern Korean society 1920 01:49:14,610 --> 01:49:17,310 still has deep roots in his agricultural traditions and 1921 01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:20,340 Koreans can get very defensive about any issue that seems to 1922 01:49:20,340 --> 01:49:23,850 threaten the livelihood of grandpa and grandma back on the 1923 01:49:23,850 --> 01:49:27,150 farm, even if this causes them to pay twice as much for 1924 01:49:27,180 --> 01:49:29,700 inefficiently produced Korean beef as they would for foreign 1925 01:49:29,700 --> 01:49:32,670 imports. This is a delicate issue that needs to be handled 1926 01:49:32,670 --> 01:49:36,030 with sensitivity by leaders in Seoul and Washington. So the 1927 01:49:36,030 --> 01:49:38,730 question of beef does not derail the important free trade 1928 01:49:38,730 --> 01:49:41,790 agreement with South Korea being considered by Congress. The 1929 01:49:41,790 --> 01:49:45,300 issue also needs to be placed in a broader context. South Korea 1930 01:49:45,300 --> 01:49:48,540 is a tremendous ally of the United States. It sent more than 1931 01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:52,020 300,000 troops to help us in Vietnam was a quick and generous 1932 01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:55,530 supporter of Desert Storm in 1991. And for several years had 1933 01:49:55,530 --> 01:49:58,350 the third largest deployment of troops in Iraq following our 1934 01:49:58,350 --> 01:50:01,170 invasion of that country five years ago notice the word 1935 01:50:01,170 --> 01:50:04,350 following our invasion of that country five years ago. Without 1936 01:50:04,350 --> 01:50:07,470 our strong alliance with South Korea, our influence in Asia 1937 01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:10,440 would be vastly diminished. Let us keep the fact clearly in mind 1938 01:50:10,440 --> 01:50:17,580 as we deal with the fractious beef issue interesting I love it 1939 01:50:17,580 --> 01:50:20,760 how he sneaks a lot that invasion thing. Yeah. And he's 1940 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,940 like Mr. Republican. You know what he hates? He hates he hates 1941 01:50:23,970 --> 01:50:27,510 Georgia. W. He hates this whole thing. He's so angry. 1942 01:50:27,750 --> 01:50:32,100 Yeah, a lot of Republicans do but, but that explains a lot. 1943 01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:34,500 That's interesting. Because when they were when they were having 1944 01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:37,530 the beef riots when I was over there, they were making the they 1945 01:50:37,530 --> 01:50:41,340 were rationalising it as our beef was tainted with Mad Cow. 1946 01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:46,440 Well, it probably is. doodly is our tomatoes of salmonella. Have 1947 01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:47,820 you been following this bullshit? 1948 01:50:47,850 --> 01:50:50,640 What's going on with tomatoes are coming from Mexico? 1949 01:50:50,670 --> 01:50:53,280 What's going on with it? How could How can tomatoes have 1950 01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,100 salmonella? Is that something exclusive for lunch, you can, 1951 01:50:56,610 --> 01:50:59,040 here's the way the way it was worth. This is the way it was 1952 01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,620 explained to me that doesn't get a lot of coverage tonight, and 1953 01:51:01,620 --> 01:51:04,170 I'm sure there's more details, like somebody knows more than 1954 01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:08,400 this, but I'm gonna give you the basics. There's a lot we began 1955 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,450 to use recovered wastewater from sewage treatment plants as part 1956 01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:17,460 of our agriculture and figuring that it was a fine you know, to 1957 01:51:17,460 --> 01:51:20,730 use for you know, for everything in fact, we would I think one of 1958 01:51:20,730 --> 01:51:23,460 the processes is washing tomatoes at the end of a 1959 01:51:23,460 --> 01:51:27,720 processing plant was nothing from a farmers basically shit 1960 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:31,590 water. Yeah, but it's but it's been processed. So it's actually 1961 01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:34,290 you could probably drink it and it wouldn't be a big deal. But 1962 01:51:34,290 --> 01:51:36,810 you know, but we don't drink it because we don't like the 1963 01:51:36,810 --> 01:51:41,430 concept. It's fine. It's fine for agricultural purposes. Now, 1964 01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:44,070 it's believed that the exact same kind of factories that 1965 01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:46,890 manufacture is mass produced tomatoes that are never really 1966 01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:49,530 fully ripe to the crap you buy in the crummy storage it's not 1967 01:51:49,530 --> 01:51:52,620 the stuff you get at a farmers market or in a good vegetable 1968 01:51:52,620 --> 01:51:56,040 store. Generally, the Mexicans decided they're going to do the 1969 01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:59,250 same kind of processing but they and they use the recovered 1970 01:51:59,250 --> 01:52:05,610 wastewater but unfortunately, they never treated it so it's 1971 01:52:05,610 --> 01:52:08,850 just loaded with God knows what end of promise these tomatoes 1972 01:52:08,850 --> 01:52:13,380 are already de stemmed. And the stem hole where the stem was 1973 01:52:13,380 --> 01:52:17,010 that part of that tomato usually cut off is still will absorb 1974 01:52:17,010 --> 01:52:21,840 water through it into the tomato when it during this process of 1975 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,180 washing and so you'd have these tomatoes rolling off the line 1976 01:52:24,180 --> 01:52:27,240 being sprayed to wash them off a little bit and that water would 1977 01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,510 get on top of that little area and it goes soak right into the 1978 01:52:30,510 --> 01:52:32,760 Jamaica gets sucked in because it's gonna look at 1979 01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:35,760 this fucking Mexican poop water my tomato. 1980 01:52:36,270 --> 01:52:39,090 I mean, that's what they think is what happened. But nobody 1981 01:52:39,090 --> 01:52:41,820 wants to say that. But here's the one of the reasons. The one 1982 01:52:41,820 --> 01:52:44,490 of the reasons is because there's been a and this is the 1983 01:52:44,490 --> 01:52:48,120 problem that you can blame on Monsanto among other companies. 1984 01:52:48,750 --> 01:52:53,250 They don't want to make it so we label the country of origin when 1985 01:52:53,250 --> 01:52:56,130 it comes to like a tomato. They don't you know, because it would 1986 01:52:56,130 --> 01:52:58,530 be it wouldn't cost much, by the way, because these machines that 1987 01:52:58,530 --> 01:53:00,900 label nowadays, these little stickers that you put on fruits 1988 01:53:00,900 --> 01:53:04,170 and vegetables, it's just uh, you know, it's nothing. But 1989 01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:07,410 there was there was a movement of consumer movement to like, 1990 01:53:07,470 --> 01:53:11,310 where's this tomato from? Movement and I want to stick or 1991 01:53:11,310 --> 01:53:14,850 if it's a foreign tomato coming in from Ecuador. I want to see 1992 01:53:14,850 --> 01:53:17,370 an Ecuador sticker on it if it's from Florida, you know, I'd like 1993 01:53:17,370 --> 01:53:21,450 to know. Yeah. And no, no, we can't do that because it's too 1994 01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:24,090 much you know, it would hurt relations and all this other 1995 01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:26,610 crap. So meanwhile, we don't know where these tomatoes are 1996 01:53:26,610 --> 01:53:29,220 from and they can't really say it's the Mexican tomatoes 1997 01:53:29,220 --> 01:53:31,260 causing this problem and and trying to point the finger at 1998 01:53:31,260 --> 01:53:34,980 Florida, which I find hard to believe. You know, well, it 1999 01:53:34,980 --> 01:53:38,880 could be Florida if you read the news. Is this Maggie? No, I can 2000 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,280 tell you what it is. It's a bunch of crappy 2001 01:53:41,309 --> 01:53:47,009 Mexican poop water tomatoes. Salmonella is a result of poop 2002 01:53:47,009 --> 01:53:47,459 water. 2003 01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:52,140 You know, that's that doesn't make a lot of sense because 2004 01:53:52,140 --> 01:53:55,860 salmonella is not necessarily in poop water. But apparently 2005 01:53:55,860 --> 01:53:56,370 whatever. 2006 01:53:56,850 --> 01:54:00,300 Wait a minute, John, please tell me that in 1972 You were 2007 01:54:00,300 --> 01:54:02,820 actually an expert on poop water. Please give me one of 2008 01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:05,010 those new environmental poop water specialist. 2009 01:54:05,610 --> 01:54:09,240 I was an air pollution specialist. But I don't have the 2010 01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:11,550 bite. You know, when I was working at the funny it's 2011 01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:15,780 coliform testing, which is kind of water oriented. I knew when I 2012 01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:21,450 was at Union oil, we had to test for coliform. One of the things 2013 01:54:21,450 --> 01:54:24,270 that effluent that goes out into the San Francisco Bay from their 2014 01:54:24,270 --> 01:54:26,400 oil refinery if you're one of the chemists at the place you 2015 01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,480 have to test the water for coliform which is an indicator 2016 01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:34,350 for poop. And because you don't want to put too much poop into 2017 01:54:34,350 --> 01:54:39,990 the bay and so you do all these tests you know some kind of an 2018 01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:44,220 expert but I'm not that much of an expert telling you what 2019 01:54:44,220 --> 01:54:44,340 they're 2020 01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:48,030 gonna have business cards made up me vo John C. Dvorak poop 2021 01:54:48,030 --> 01:54:48,810 expert 2022 01:54:53,310 --> 01:54:57,450 Yeah, be a poop expert. All right, but but anyway that 2023 01:54:58,109 --> 01:55:01,829 so that's outrageous and And you know, they put made in China on 2024 01:55:01,829 --> 01:55:05,309 every single iPod, they might as well put nail made in Mexico on 2025 01:55:05,309 --> 01:55:08,279 every tomato. I mean, I agree. It's just that's for sure. We 2026 01:55:08,279 --> 01:55:10,949 deserve to know we deserve just coming from. 2027 01:55:11,489 --> 01:55:14,219 That's an abstract. I never even thought in those terms. You're 2028 01:55:14,219 --> 01:55:18,089 absolutely correct. If you have to put made in China, which you 2029 01:55:18,089 --> 01:55:21,449 do on all this junk that the Chinese ship us and you know, in 2030 01:55:21,449 --> 01:55:24,809 good quality too, by the way, like the iPod, I've got some 2031 01:55:24,809 --> 01:55:28,289 quality products made in China. But if you have to put the label 2032 01:55:28,289 --> 01:55:31,769 on there for for that you're not even eating Yeah, 2033 01:55:31,799 --> 01:55:35,459 you're putting shit in your face. Mexican poop water 2034 01:55:35,459 --> 01:55:38,009 infested tomatoes we should at least know. 2035 01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:43,860 Yeah, I don't get why you have this shouldn't be a label on the 2036 01:55:43,980 --> 01:55:46,650 Yeah, we're eating this stuff. We're not eating iPods. I don't 2037 01:55:46,650 --> 01:55:49,080 care. Yeah. 2038 01:55:49,110 --> 01:55:52,380 Well, you mentioned Monsanto. And if you know anything about 2039 01:55:52,380 --> 01:55:55,740 that anyone ever emailed you about the Codex Alimentarius? 2040 01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,970 No, you've never heard of the Codex Alimentarius. 2041 01:56:00,270 --> 01:56:03,300 I have but I don't I don't know if I've ever looked at it. Okay, 2042 01:56:03,300 --> 01:56:03,720 so 2043 01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:07,170 this is not for this show. But let's both do some research on 2044 01:56:07,170 --> 01:56:10,980 it. Speaking of no agenda, now the Codex is something that the 2045 01:56:10,980 --> 01:56:14,580 World Trade Organisation put into place in I think I'm gonna 2046 01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:21,060 say the 50s. So it's basically a trade agreement about what is in 2047 01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:25,050 food that is imported and exported amongst countries that 2048 01:56:25,050 --> 01:56:28,890 are member of the WTO. Now, this isn't this has now become pretty 2049 01:56:28,890 --> 01:56:35,100 much law. In fact, in Europe, the so all the recommendations, 2050 01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,880 which are you know, what can and cannot be in certain types of 2051 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:43,020 foods and what can or cannot be sold literally, has resulted now 2052 01:56:43,050 --> 01:56:45,540 and in Europe, this is already starting where I'm sure you've 2053 01:56:45,540 --> 01:56:48,450 heard about this, that you you can't get certain vitamins over 2054 01:56:48,450 --> 01:56:50,910 the counter anymore. homoeopathic medicines are being 2055 01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:54,210 phased out. And Monsanto was one of these big companies that's 2056 01:56:54,210 --> 01:56:58,290 that's behind this. Codex Alimentarius. And I, and I 2057 01:56:58,290 --> 01:57:04,350 believe that the January one 2009, it will be ratified as the 2058 01:57:04,350 --> 01:57:07,380 code. I mean, Codex Alimentarius literally means the food code, 2059 01:57:07,530 --> 01:57:11,340 it will become the food code of the United States as well. Or at 2060 01:57:11,340 --> 01:57:13,830 least it's it's, you know, that's on the schedule. I think 2061 01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:17,760 it's the first of January 2009. and the European Union is 2062 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:22,230 already harmonising it with all laws. And of course, if you you 2063 01:57:22,230 --> 01:57:24,690 know, if you look at some of the conspiracy theory videos, which 2064 01:57:24,690 --> 01:57:28,560 I'm an expert at, you know, this is really, really bad shit. In 2065 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:32,520 fact, it will probably, you know, some people say you could 2066 01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:36,360 easily kill, you know, 3 billion people within 50 years or 2067 01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:39,120 something, you know, malnourishment? I mean, that's 2068 01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:42,510 taking it to the extreme, maybe, but it is, it is very clear that 2069 01:57:42,510 --> 01:57:46,290 there is going to be a food code that the government is going to 2070 01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:49,650 set, and we'll tell you what you can and cannot eat. I mean, that 2071 01:57:49,650 --> 01:57:51,180 is what the Codex is all about. 2072 01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,700 It was funny, it's like, I'm always complaining about how 2073 01:57:53,700 --> 01:57:57,960 Brussels is pushing the Europeans around with all these 2074 01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,320 laws that they're doing. But I think it's even more pathetic if 2075 01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,830 Brussels is pushing us around. But anyway, let's go back to 2076 01:58:04,980 --> 01:58:07,110 just before we just finished the show, otherwise, we'll go on a 2077 01:58:07,110 --> 01:58:11,460 rant about Monsanto in some way. The company too, you know that a 2078 01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:14,910 lot of people disliked it, they actually essentially broke the 2079 01:58:14,910 --> 01:58:19,110 backs of a couple of journalists in Florida who were like trying 2080 01:58:19,110 --> 01:58:23,430 to blow the whistle on on the company for being behind much of 2081 01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:28,980 the laws that for example, if these laws are both them, or at 2082 01:58:28,980 --> 01:58:31,440 least I don't think they apply in California, but there was 2083 01:58:31,470 --> 01:58:35,310 they were attempting to make it so you could not put it that 2084 01:58:35,310 --> 01:58:37,890 way. Again, we're going back to labelling laws you could not put 2085 01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:42,420 on a on a carton of milk that the cow's milk in that carton 2086 01:58:42,420 --> 01:58:46,380 was a result of a animal that had been treated with the bovine 2087 01:58:46,380 --> 01:58:50,730 growth hormone that makes them produce 25% more milk it was 2088 01:58:50,730 --> 01:58:54,360 like in the in California you see it no no BST or whatever 2089 01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:59,310 it's called is in this was know that these none of these cows 2090 01:58:59,310 --> 01:59:02,310 are made this milk and and in fact if you taste the milk from 2091 01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:05,730 a cow that does that have been pumped up with this stuff and 2092 01:59:05,730 --> 01:59:10,470 it's a watery, watery Yeah, it's crappy. But anyway, so Monsanto 2093 01:59:10,470 --> 01:59:12,660 was behind them they drove drove these guys out you know they 2094 01:59:12,660 --> 01:59:14,910 were really tight with the government they get a lot of 2095 01:59:14,910 --> 01:59:18,660 these laws that's why probably Monsanto's you know, kind of 2096 01:59:18,990 --> 01:59:21,750 mentality is behind where we don't know where the tomatoes 2097 01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:24,450 are coming from. Meanwhile, here's what I'm predicting is 2098 01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:27,210 going to happen it's going to be really interesting. There's a 2099 01:59:27,210 --> 01:59:34,890 number of countries in South America who have banned the use 2100 01:59:34,890 --> 01:59:38,160 of the Monsanto genetically engineered your roundup 2101 01:59:38,850 --> 01:59:43,230 resistant weeds and the some of these crazy seeds that they've 2102 01:59:43,230 --> 01:59:43,860 invented as 2103 01:59:44,910 --> 01:59:46,260 modified stuff. Yeah. 2104 01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:51,510 Right genetically modified stuff and which is, you know, illegal 2105 01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:55,410 here and there, but this stuff is getting into the wild. Now, 2106 01:59:55,410 --> 01:59:57,600 you know, in fact, where they've grown a lot of these crops the 2107 01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:00,270 pollen from these crops goes into the neighbour are in the 2108 02:00:00,270 --> 02:00:02,340 next thing you know that next year, they got said, you know, 2109 02:00:02,340 --> 02:00:06,600 half the crop is this stuff they don't even want. And they're now 2110 02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:09,270 there's I forgot what country it was on one of these world 2111 02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:13,320 reports in Bolivia, maybe Ecuador someplace that they had 2112 02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:15,780 to change the law because it's stuff that's, you know, these 2113 02:00:15,780 --> 02:00:20,760 genetically modified this you know, pollens have gotten out, 2114 02:00:21,540 --> 02:00:25,830 essentially changing everything. I'm suspect because the whole 2115 02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:32,220 genetically modified business is a patented one that one of these 2116 02:00:32,220 --> 02:00:35,670 days, Monsanto is going to walk into a field in Nebraska or 2117 02:00:35,670 --> 02:00:39,510 someplace else and take a sample kind of like the BSA does with 2118 02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:43,170 software, make, you know, make him do an audit, and they're 2119 02:00:43,170 --> 02:00:48,030 gonna find genetically modified products that growing there that 2120 02:00:48,030 --> 02:00:52,740 we're not licenced, and they're gonna sue the farmer, really, 2121 02:00:52,950 --> 02:00:56,910 and then make them pay a fine for having that in there. And 2122 02:00:57,060 --> 02:00:59,880 even though the farmers gonna say, Well, you know, listen, you 2123 02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:02,760 know, blew over and the documentation said, Well, it 2124 02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:06,750 does it can't blow that far. And get you washed up some really 2125 02:01:06,750 --> 02:01:09,510 crazy lawsuits over this genetically modified stuff, 2126 02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:12,330 because those guys who got it locked down? Well, 2127 02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:16,650 I'm not a, this is one of those issues that is so big and so 2128 02:01:16,650 --> 02:01:19,590 broad. And, you know, of course, there's a deadline coming up 2129 02:01:19,590 --> 02:01:23,670 that lots of people are starting to at least talk about it. And 2130 02:01:24,270 --> 02:01:27,450 I'm just not schooled enough in exactly what's going on. But you 2131 02:01:27,450 --> 02:01:31,440 know, once again, you know, you there's lots of lectures and 2132 02:01:32,250 --> 02:01:36,180 YouTube videos of some pretty serious looking people saying, 2133 02:01:36,210 --> 02:01:39,510 you know, this is a real problem. And you can take it to 2134 02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:42,540 the extreme. And, of course, you know, the second part of the 2135 02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:45,900 video is always, and this is what they've always wanted, you 2136 02:01:45,900 --> 02:01:46,200 know, 2137 02:01:47,340 --> 02:01:49,620 that's the problem with a lot of these guys, instead of 2138 02:01:49,620 --> 02:01:52,920 presenting these things in a logical orderly way. You know, 2139 02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:55,830 many of the people that present and I wonder sometimes I've 2140 02:01:55,830 --> 02:01:58,380 always believed this, by the way, if you want to make a 2141 02:01:58,380 --> 02:02:02,010 point, and you have, you're on the bad side of an argument, and 2142 02:02:02,010 --> 02:02:07,440 you want to kind of keep people from beating you up, you put a 2143 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:11,130 debate on where you have the bad side of the argument, you know, 2144 02:02:11,130 --> 02:02:14,280 whatever it is, with a reasonable person who's very 2145 02:02:14,280 --> 02:02:18,690 professorial and then bring on a guy who's against you, who's on 2146 02:02:18,690 --> 02:02:25,410 the right side of the argument, but it's clinically insane. And 2147 02:02:25,410 --> 02:02:28,680 so you have this good, I've seen debates, I've seen TV debates 2148 02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,630 like this, where you have a Republican or a Democratic, you 2149 02:02:30,630 --> 02:02:34,710 know, that, that one of the two sides put the whole thing 2150 02:02:34,710 --> 02:02:37,320 together, because you have one guy who's very reasonable. And 2151 02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:37,890 the other guy who 2152 02:02:39,779 --> 02:02:44,279 says, Yeah, of course. Well, anyway, it's something we should 2153 02:02:44,279 --> 02:02:46,649 look at. We should look at, uh, John, I'm sure people are gonna 2154 02:02:46,649 --> 02:02:48,899 send us all kinds of links and information. 2155 02:02:49,859 --> 02:02:53,579 Yeah. Is there a topic for this or no agenda topic for no agenda 2156 02:02:53,579 --> 02:02:58,229 show for next week? If we remember. Precisely, hanging out 2157 02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:58,859 not talking about 2158 02:02:58,860 --> 02:03:03,750 it? I'm just pulling the break here. I mean, how can anyone 2159 02:03:03,750 --> 02:03:05,400 listen to this shit for two hours? 2160 02:03:05,850 --> 02:03:10,170 I don't know. I can't. I certainly can't really do it for 2161 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:16,110 hours. I'm playing the music. You don't hear the music. Do you 2162 02:03:16,110 --> 02:03:21,030 or don't you? You shouldn't hear it. Barely. Well, it's soft. You 2163 02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:24,030 know, it's called like a nice, gentle fade. And at the end, I 2164 02:03:24,510 --> 02:03:26,640 bring it up. It's the end of the show. It's all done in real 2165 02:03:26,640 --> 02:03:27,930 time. You know, no joke here. 2166 02:03:28,410 --> 02:03:29,940 Are we gonna say goodbye? Yes. 2167 02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,080 Thank you, John. I thoroughly enjoyed myself. I can think of 2168 02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,750 no better way to spend a couple hours on a Saturday afternoon. 2169 02:03:37,979 --> 02:03:41,189 I wish it was less than a couple of hours but I'm just right up 2170 02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:45,209 here in northern California is smoky. We'll be smoking some 2171 02:03:45,209 --> 02:03:46,679 meat tonight. And I'm 2172 02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:49,740 Adam curry at the manor in the United Kingdom and Guilford 2173 02:03:50,070 --> 02:03:53,640 soaked in sun. We'll talk again next week right here on no 2174 02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:54,240 agenda.