1 00:00:01,890 --> 00:00:04,440 Well, hi everybody. Once again, it's time for the programme that 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,870 has no music, no commercials, no jingles, no talent. And well 3 00:00:09,870 --> 00:00:14,100 apparently no agenda coming to you from the curry manor in 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,860 Guilford in the United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry. 5 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:20,100 And I'm John C. Dvorak in Northern California. 6 00:00:20,489 --> 00:00:24,389 And it's time for one day One day later than usual for our 7 00:00:24,419 --> 00:00:28,919 weekly event. And, you know, I'm getting some good response on 8 00:00:28,919 --> 00:00:30,809 this show, John, people like it. 9 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:34,140 People are bored stiff, it 10 00:00:34,140 --> 00:00:38,790 must be. It must be. No, I mean, it's like it's we've even been 11 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:43,770 added in the you know, the podcast ready guys actually have 12 00:00:43,770 --> 00:00:47,430 a pretty interesting idea. They've they've put a a pod 13 00:00:47,430 --> 00:00:52,020 catcher and RSS podcast aggregator. They're embedding it 14 00:00:52,020 --> 00:00:54,990 onto memory sticks. I think they have a deal with the SanDisk. 15 00:00:55,530 --> 00:00:56,400 That's a good idea. Yeah, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,090 it's a great idea. And so we're this there's like top, there's 17 00:01:00,090 --> 00:01:03,480 10 feeds that are pre subscribed. And we're one of 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,290 them with no agenda. Wow. That's pretty cool. 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,040 Yeah, it's really cool. I think they protect five dot pod 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,300 show.com on there, though. 21 00:01:12,330 --> 00:01:16,800 No, no, no, no, man, it's got to be having a no agenda show is 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,500 good. Because it's no one benefits except you and I if 23 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:21,360 people listen, let me feel better. 24 00:01:22,770 --> 00:01:25,140 So we were talking about tea before you started the 25 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:28,350 recording. And I was wondering, the public might be interested 26 00:01:28,350 --> 00:01:31,740 in some of our thoughts. Since you've, you said that you move 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,080 ever since you moved to England, you've become kind of addicted 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,860 to the product? 29 00:01:35,009 --> 00:01:39,089 Yeah. Well, you know, there's the Dutch who and I grew up in 30 00:01:39,089 --> 00:01:41,939 Holland, they drink a lot of tea, but they drink it 31 00:01:41,939 --> 00:01:45,719 differently than the UK here is, you know, it's really it's milk 32 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:48,359 and sugar. Whereas I never would have ever considered putting 33 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:52,709 milk in my tea ever, before living here. But I found out 34 00:01:52,709 --> 00:01:55,979 that culturally, that really works for me, you know, 35 00:01:55,979 --> 00:01:58,889 essentially, if someone walks in the house and they've got a, you 36 00:01:58,889 --> 00:02:00,779 know, a bullet wound to the shoulder, the first thing 37 00:02:00,779 --> 00:02:03,299 everyone says is, let's put a kettle on, let's have some tea, 38 00:02:03,329 --> 00:02:07,199 and everything will be okay. And I just kind of fell into that 39 00:02:07,199 --> 00:02:12,269 and I love it. Now, I must drink at least during the day if I'm, 40 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:16,439 if I'm if I'm near, if I can make it myself, easily six to 10 41 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:17,159 cups a day. 42 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:21,360 Then what's your preferred brand? Up PG Tips? Of course. 43 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:26,190 Yeah, we're big PG. We've been using PG Tips for over 20 years, 44 00:02:26,190 --> 00:02:28,620 I think used to be hard to get in the United States. But now 45 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:31,350 it's freely available. But for people out there haven't tried 46 00:02:31,350 --> 00:02:34,170 it. And they used to some of these crappy teas that we have, 47 00:02:34,170 --> 00:02:36,630 which usually don't even have enough tea in the bag to to 48 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:41,670 amount to anything. PG Tips is the is the I think that the 49 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:45,630 standard, the gold standard of British tea. Yeah, I would have 50 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:48,480 to grab that as the absolute best. It's just that it happens 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:54,540 to be the one everybody uses. And a lot of the thing that's 52 00:02:54,540 --> 00:02:57,150 interesting about PG Tips to me and a lot of these other teas 53 00:02:57,150 --> 00:02:59,850 and we were talking about Sainsbury's has a nice things 54 00:02:59,850 --> 00:03:05,280 called Red Label, which is a competitor is that the British 55 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:08,970 over when they were colonising the world? They did these long 56 00:03:08,970 --> 00:03:14,610 term deals all over the place for things like tea. So they 57 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:17,490 essentially they have, I don't know how long the contract is 58 00:03:17,490 --> 00:03:20,700 for the various tea providers. But they get some of the best 59 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:22,650 team to work because they kind of locked down these deals 60 00:03:22,650 --> 00:03:24,810 permanently back in the 1800s. 61 00:03:24,870 --> 00:03:29,910 Isn't that in some way? Related to upcoming December 16? Where 62 00:03:29,940 --> 00:03:32,580 wouldn't when we commemorate the Boston Tea Party? 63 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:37,080 Yeah, the Boston Tea Party is you know, there's a there's a if 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,480 you study enough American history because this gets pretty 65 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,480 peculiar as to why the Boston Tea Party took place. But they 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,520 were trying to shove tea down everybody's throat and they were 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,730 also stealing it from China and making them take opium. But 68 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:50,400 really that was that was later 69 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:55,290 here boys hasn't opium give us the tea? Well, you know that. 70 00:03:56,610 --> 00:03:59,460 I've heard now that there's another Ron Paul money bomb 71 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:02,880 scheduled. The previous one was on November 5, which coincided 72 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,850 with Guy Fawkes Day, a revolutionary day in the UK. And 73 00:04:05,850 --> 00:04:08,610 from what I understand December 16, to the commemorating the 74 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:11,340 Boston Tea Party, there's going to be another drive to raise 75 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:15,180 another several million dollars for Republican candidate Ron 76 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:15,540 Paul. 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,870 Well, you know, the thing is that I noticed this effect, they 78 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:21,570 blogged it. If you go on the blog, you'll find that 79 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:25,380 vark.org/blog You'll find mentioned about how the that 80 00:04:25,380 --> 00:04:27,720 this the Liberty dollar guys were rated by 81 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,320 I've gotten a lot of emails from people. I think you were the 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,800 first one that you actually sent me a link to your blog post. And 83 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,670 it's interesting because I'm seeing two stories. One is, you 84 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:42,480 know, the guys who created and run the Liberty dollar, let's 85 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,960 just call operation for a second. They got raided and you 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,760 know, there's this other side that's talking about the Ron 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,060 Paul dollars and now I'm seeing you know, that's kind of 88 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:54,150 becoming the meme is now that Ron Paul is being associated 89 00:04:54,150 --> 00:04:57,330 with it. Honestly, I think I understand what the Liberty 90 00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:00,210 dollar is about, but I clearly have no idea how successful It 91 00:05:00,210 --> 00:05:05,280 is or, or no, it must be successful otherwise it wouldn't 92 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,560 have been rated. Do you have background on this? John? Do you 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,070 know 94 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:12,000 what I don't know as much about it as you? I mean, the website 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,520 the Liberty dollars website, which is easy enough to find has 96 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,480 most of the details but you know, they're trying to do 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,230 private coinage. I mean, generally speaking, you can do 98 00:05:22,230 --> 00:05:24,840 this legally. But you can't like Disney 99 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,960 Dollars or like, like scores that were strippers, you can 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,300 store in strip bars, you can get dollars, right? 101 00:05:30,990 --> 00:05:32,070 I don't know what Yeah, 102 00:05:32,700 --> 00:05:37,830 you don't. Oh, shit. I blew my cover. Now that it's like 103 00:05:37,860 --> 00:05:40,470 Disneyland you get Disney Dollars? Is that the same thing? 104 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:41,220 Or is this different? 105 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,730 Well, they're trying to put this into general circulation. So I 106 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:46,980 think it's different. Some years ago, there was some law, there 107 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:50,670 was a problem in the United States, especially from about 108 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:55,230 1862. I think Iran, it was, I don't know, when it ended, but I 109 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:58,140 do I have collected a lot of these bills. But in the 1800s, 110 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:00,720 you know, every bank had their own currency. And every state 111 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,850 had its own currency, there was just currency all over the 112 00:06:02,850 --> 00:06:05,520 place. And a lot of it wasn't worth anything. It's actually 113 00:06:05,550 --> 00:06:09,060 just something such gorgeous, by the way. Anyway, so they decided 114 00:06:09,060 --> 00:06:12,990 to, you know, make everything either us node FEDERAL RESERVE 115 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:16,560 NOTE, or there was silver certificates, gold certificates, 116 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,520 which are backed by gold, 117 00:06:18,090 --> 00:06:21,450 when the gold standard was introduced. Right. 118 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:25,410 Okay. And anyway, they were, there was always a kind of a 119 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,670 call, there was a, I guess, a de facto gold standard, always, 120 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:32,280 which is the basically the price of gold. So these guys want to 121 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:36,660 make the these coins worth the amount of silver that's in them. 122 00:06:37,170 --> 00:06:39,900 And then they want to try to get them into general circulation. I 123 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,630 think there's something about the general circulation. That's 124 00:06:42,630 --> 00:06:43,230 the issue. 125 00:06:43,470 --> 00:06:46,410 Is that illegal, though? Is that is that is it just illegal to 126 00:06:46,410 --> 00:06:49,680 have your own money and trade on? It? Is that is that 127 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,690 apparently, yes, that's apparently true. You can't start 128 00:06:54,690 --> 00:06:58,110 minting your own money. So that's what they were doing. 129 00:06:58,110 --> 00:06:58,230 Which 130 00:06:58,230 --> 00:07:01,860 is, which is kind of silly, because when I issue you a check 131 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:04,710 from my bank, you know, the bank made up this piece of paper, 132 00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:08,460 they printed it, you know, I just filled in the value. You 133 00:07:08,460 --> 00:07:12,030 know, if they certify it, then it's isn't it? The same thing is 134 00:07:12,060 --> 00:07:13,440 as a pretty picture. 135 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:16,770 You know, you don't have to talk to a lawyer. 136 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:19,800 Oh, I'm sorry. I had you confused for one? 137 00:07:20,610 --> 00:07:23,760 I'm not absolutely sure. I mean, I know it the logic that what 138 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,730 you're expressing I know that there's a logic there. And it 139 00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:31,680 seems to me Yeah, it seems to me that a cheque is a bank note in 140 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,320 some funny way, because it's worth whatever you write on it. 141 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:37,140 But there's something there's something else about what these 142 00:07:37,140 --> 00:07:39,930 guys are doing that seemed to and I have to like just look up 143 00:07:39,930 --> 00:07:42,990 the FBIs documents to figure out why they busted these guns but 144 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:44,760 they also took all the Ron Paul money. 145 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,500 Right, which I guess was another another version of the Liberty 146 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:52,110 dollar just another currency which these guys were running 147 00:07:52,110 --> 00:07:54,570 through their existing infrastructure. 148 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,370 Right. And but it said, I think the Ron Paul thing had something 149 00:07:59,370 --> 00:08:03,990 to do with the bus because there seems to be a overt mechanism 150 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:06,990 out there to get this guy to shut up. 151 00:08:07,050 --> 00:08:09,960 Right? And that's where that's where I wanted to get us 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,650 because, you know, you immediately you will be branded 153 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:17,190 as conspiracy theorists, but I got to think that you know, 154 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:20,310 perfect, perfect thing you know, it's moving towards the whole 155 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:23,580 story is more you watch because I haven't seen it in mainstream 156 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:26,430 yet. But it's going to show up and it's going to be totally 157 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:29,220 associated with with Ron Paul. And they're going to try and 158 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,040 scandalise it I'm sure I'm almost positive that's what 159 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:32,910 we're gonna see happen. 160 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:36,150 Yeah, and it's gonna be fun to watch now, I've already noticed 161 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:39,180 that I'm a big fan of I think you are too but there's a lot of 162 00:08:39,180 --> 00:08:42,270 us out here who who actually enjoy listening to right wing 163 00:08:42,270 --> 00:08:46,710 talk shows Sure. Oh, yeah. Right Wing talk radio in particular is 164 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:48,630 very entertaining in a lot of different ways. I mean, see 165 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:52,530 that? I'm always like torn between right wing talkers and, 166 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:57,060 and Jim Rome, the sports sports guy. But and a Sports Talk is 167 00:08:57,060 --> 00:09:00,510 the competitor with right wing talk. Interesting. I mean, 168 00:09:00,510 --> 00:09:03,210 there's no left wing talk is there is none because they 169 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:05,940 tried that with Air America and no one no one fucking cared. It 170 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:07,710 was pointless. And it wasn't entertaining. 171 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,650 It wasn't entertaining. It was when and they couldn't do it say 172 00:09:10,650 --> 00:09:12,840 a lot of things they would like to say because it wouldn't be 173 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,510 politically correct. I mean, they've tied themselves up, you 174 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:18,030 know, painted themselves in a corner with their philosophies, 175 00:09:18,330 --> 00:09:21,780 so they can't do it. You know, you have a lot of whining and a 176 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:25,590 lot of people petting each other. And you know, it was 177 00:09:25,590 --> 00:09:28,710 weird listening to that stuff. It was very creepy actually, 178 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:31,800 as Dennis Miller still doing some kind of talk shows 179 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:34,800 get desperate because you got to show on in the mornings that 180 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,550 syndicated in the US at the same time that Jim Rome is on and 181 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:39,630 rush limbaugh is on. 182 00:09:39,690 --> 00:09:42,180 So that's a tough slot. It's 183 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:47,040 possible. Now I have listened to his show on and off and he is 184 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:51,660 the he's kind of a lightweight when it comes to the politics 185 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:54,900 even though he's just a right wing nut. But when he starts 186 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:57,300 talking to you when he starts going into his show business 187 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:01,110 anecdotes then is showing you He's really good. I mean, he's 188 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:05,850 got a lot of funny stories. Yeah. But anyway yeah that shows 189 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:09,390 it's like if you're listening to the other stuff you hit him just 190 00:10:09,390 --> 00:10:12,270 to see you if you're driving around you hit him you don't 191 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:15,510 listen to this stuff unless you're in the car you hit him if 192 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:17,520 you get commercials every which when you gotta listen to 193 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,720 something else. So we're where we were talking about Yeah, and 194 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,310 so the right wing talk show guys are not the main guys not the 195 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:30,120 limbaugh's of the world, but the lesser guys the weekend guys and 196 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:35,040 the late night, guys. They're starting to slam Ron Paul. 197 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Okay, right. Right, right. Time This is O'Reilly slamming him 198 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:39,960 yet. 199 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:43,380 Not yet, but I because I haven't been listening too much O'Reilly 200 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:45,540 because O'Reilly is on to some weird hour. They keep bouncing 201 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:49,920 him around. He's never really hit the home run, I guess on the 202 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,910 radio. And he's, I don't watch the show too much on TV. 203 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:56,880 Have you been watching countdown Keith Olbermann? 204 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:00,150 That's I watch it on and off. It's you know, it's one of the 205 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:03,660 funnier shows. He's probably one of the only left wing guys that 206 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:04,380 is entertaining. 207 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:08,280 Exactly. Exactly. And I'm presuming that he's writing it. 208 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,080 But he writes really? Well. I mean, there's some really 209 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,280 poignant stuff in there. 210 00:11:11,550 --> 00:11:13,770 Well, I'm sure he's got to stop. There's no way he can be right 211 00:11:13,770 --> 00:11:18,930 and all that stuff daily. He He's also Jon Stewart and 212 00:11:18,930 --> 00:11:22,800 Colbert left wingers that are funny and entertaining. But but 213 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,410 the styles are totally different than the motional styles of the 214 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:29,730 right wing talker. Exactly, 215 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:31,830 because it's always working on your funny bone and not your 216 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:32,550 terror bone. 217 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:36,300 Right. But anyway, so I've started to notice that they're 218 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,690 starting to sneak in the anti Ron Paul stuff. And I, you know, 219 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:42,810 and one of the right wing talk guys is named Michael Savage, 220 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:46,290 who's out here in San Francisco is something of a bipolar 221 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:50,400 character who's really entertaining. And he has a huge 222 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,370 following. And he does not follow the follow the Republican 223 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:56,250 drumbeat, he tends to take an independent perspective. And so 224 00:11:56,250 --> 00:12:01,260 he'll slam Bush a lot. And he, he's an interesting character. 225 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:06,240 And he won't probably go after Ron Paul. Because Paul is 226 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,400 essentially a strict constitutionalist. I think the 227 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,460 savage guy is too. So he'll probably if some of the big 228 00:12:11,460 --> 00:12:14,430 names go after Ron Paul, he'll jump them, it'd be kind of 229 00:12:14,430 --> 00:12:16,080 interesting to watch. Well, I 230 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,240 personally think it'd be great. And you know, they really, 231 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,960 should they really should be attacking Ron Paul, because His 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,380 answers are really, I mean, you can put any guy in Ron Paul's 233 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:29,880 place. You know what I mean? You can you can put a robot a robot 234 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,660 and sit and the input is the Constitution. And here's a logic 235 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:37,560 it's one or zero, true or false? And it's that simple. There's no 236 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:40,920 other way to interpret this document, you know, so it 237 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,640 doesn't really matter. It but it will raise I think awareness of 238 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,350 what of the platform. 239 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:51,000 Yeah, well, the one thing that you're just starting to come out 240 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,060 in the right wing talk show radio that I've observed. And I 241 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:57,150 think a savage again, is one of the guys who actually starts to 242 00:12:57,150 --> 00:13:00,450 point this out a lot. And he's been kind of marginalised 243 00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:03,000 because of it. You don't hear a lot about him in the mainstream 244 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,260 media or for other reasons, perhaps. But anyway, he points 245 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:10,830 out that and he believes that Limbaugh and Hannity and 246 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:13,680 O'Reilly, and some of these other guys, probably some of the 247 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,190 lesser guys are actually not conservative right wingers or 248 00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:19,620 anything else. They're just frontman, Stooges, for the 249 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:23,460 Republican Party. And they, and they do a lot of party line, 250 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:25,950 chit chat. You know, there's just I mean, Hannity is 251 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:29,850 absolutely the worst for this. I mean, is, if George Bush was a 252 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,630 was a rapist, and you know, he would be saying why this was 253 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:34,080 good. 254 00:13:36,030 --> 00:13:39,750 You know, I, just before our previous board meeting, I sent 255 00:13:39,780 --> 00:13:44,640 Ray lane, who's one of the lead partners at Kleiner Perkins, and 256 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,360 also a ran Oracle for a number of years. I sent him a note and 257 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,270 said, Dude, you know, did you have a chance, I think actually 258 00:13:51,270 --> 00:13:53,820 said, Hey, I know you're the only Republican in that entire 259 00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:57,930 bunch over there at Kleiner Perkins. But, you know, I wanted 260 00:13:57,930 --> 00:13:59,820 your opinion on this guy, because I'm, I'm going to 261 00:13:59,820 --> 00:14:03,030 endorse him. And, you know, have you heard of him? Did you hear 262 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:05,760 that you re listen to the show a lot. But I know he's been busy 263 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,760 and probably hasn't listened for for a couple of weeks. And so I 264 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,100 sent a link to the interview. And he came back said, No, I'd 265 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,350 never heard of this guy. But yeah, research. It's pretty 266 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:15,750 fucking interesting. This is really good. And you know, who 267 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:22,620 just joined KP. Yeah, Al Gore. Exactly. So there's, I don't 268 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:24,870 know, I might be able to influence something because I 269 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:27,240 believe that the only way to change anything is to change 270 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,730 where the money is or where the money flows, or you can get 271 00:14:29,730 --> 00:14:30,660 Raeleen fired. 272 00:14:32,070 --> 00:14:35,310 I doubt I doubt Ray link get fired. I know that 273 00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:38,100 he's a partner, but I don't think it works. Yet. There is a 274 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:42,450 curious crowd over there because the yard a flock of Democrats 275 00:14:42,450 --> 00:14:46,020 for the most part. I don't know that the founders, like Tom 276 00:14:46,020 --> 00:14:49,260 Perkins is I think he's pretty much of a right wing Republican. 277 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:51,210 I don't think there's any question about I could be wrong, 278 00:14:51,510 --> 00:14:54,990 but I get I'm pretty sure I'm right there. And you know, the 279 00:14:54,990 --> 00:14:58,740 the main guy is Republicans, but the guys who actually run the 280 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,470 place, John John Doerr is A Democrat for sure. Oh, he's a 281 00:15:01,470 --> 00:15:05,580 huge Democrat. He's a big. He's a Democrat, but he's a kind of a 282 00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:07,470 party organiser. Oh, yeah. No, he's 283 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:12,810 he. He did the whole Obama thing and and Obama had Oprah 284 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:16,800 Winfrey's house and now ya know, he's big, big, big into that, 285 00:15:17,130 --> 00:15:17,790 that stuff. 286 00:15:18,330 --> 00:15:21,330 Well, the rumour is, of course, is the that he wants either he 287 00:15:21,330 --> 00:15:24,660 wants to get easy, he hasn't put his money on the right horse 288 00:15:24,930 --> 00:15:29,160 forever. But the rumour is amongst the cognitive Sani is 289 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,840 that he wants to either be a secretary of state or something 290 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,330 like that or getting ambassadorship he wants to get 291 00:15:36,330 --> 00:15:38,460 to be, you know, that's how you become an ambassador friend. 292 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:38,670 Well, 293 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:41,670 honestly, honestly, I've thought about that many times. And there 294 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:45,810 was a point in my life where I seriously considered lobbying 295 00:15:45,810 --> 00:15:50,160 for an ambassador. That would be a great fucking life. That's 296 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,480 exactly what I want. 297 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:55,860 You know what the best? Sorry, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. With 298 00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:58,890 the best bid and bastard ship. I'm told as the US ambassador to 299 00:15:58,890 --> 00:15:59,520 the Vatican. 300 00:15:59,970 --> 00:16:04,500 Oh, yeah. Right on. Well, my uncle was an ambassador to to 301 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:06,090 Korea for many, many years. 302 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:08,880 Well, apparently, in the Vatican, there's nothing else to 303 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,630 do but drink and eat. Because it's just one little town. 304 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,350 That's it. And all the politics are held in one place. 305 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:20,280 And it's all parties. Yeah. 306 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,590 I don't know if I'd like to drink wine. You know what I 307 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:24,810 mean? Wouldn't like live in there. I'd hate that. 308 00:16:27,060 --> 00:16:29,340 So, but yeah, you should be in about you could have what you 309 00:16:29,340 --> 00:16:32,100 were thinking to being coming in ambassador from the Netherlands? 310 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:34,770 No, no, no, no, I wanted to Well, yeah, that would have been 311 00:16:34,770 --> 00:16:37,530 okay. I want to be an ambassador in England. I mean, that how 312 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:39,630 cool would that be? In low? That 313 00:16:39,630 --> 00:16:42,720 would be Yeah, yes. That's the health risk there not because 314 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,390 someone's gonna shoot you because you've been over eat too 315 00:16:45,390 --> 00:16:46,320 much sausages. 316 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:52,710 Damn straight. Follow up on a story we talked about was the 317 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:56,370 last episode about that Dutch couple that got thrown into 318 00:16:56,370 --> 00:17:00,150 jail. Yeah, terrible. So after the show, we were Skyping back 319 00:17:00,150 --> 00:17:04,170 and forth. And within like, 30 minutes, I discovered that this 320 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:07,830 jail was operated by a commercial company that has 321 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:11,100 received hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts to operate 322 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:16,560 prisons, primarily in the Texas area. And it's called 323 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,260 management, the management training company, I think 324 00:17:19,710 --> 00:17:22,020 management and training Corporation Corporation, yeah. 325 00:17:22,050 --> 00:17:28,230 And MTC and, and they're huge. And the former chairman of MTC 326 00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:33,810 was the guy who, wow, what's his name? The guy who was involved 327 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:36,000 with the Abu Ghraib scandal? 328 00:17:37,470 --> 00:17:39,330 Yeah, isn't that isn't that interesting? 329 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:43,409 And I'm like, How come that that high end programme Nova, who 330 00:17:43,409 --> 00:17:45,989 interviewed them about a year ago? How come they didn't you 331 00:17:45,989 --> 00:17:49,889 know, Google? Because the way I did it was the girl was talking 332 00:17:49,889 --> 00:17:51,929 about, you know, after they'd been in jail a month had been 333 00:17:51,929 --> 00:17:54,899 thrown in jail for hitchhiking, and they had a, an expired 334 00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:58,529 tourist visa. And you know, that they'd never saw an attorney 335 00:17:58,529 --> 00:18:00,749 were never allowed to make any phone calls. Oh, yeah. Collect 336 00:18:00,749 --> 00:18:02,759 call within the US. But they were hitchhike right from 337 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:05,699 Europe. And they weren't Mexicans. You gotta make that 338 00:18:05,699 --> 00:18:09,119 clear? No, nor that they look Mexican. If they were Mexicans, 339 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,139 they would have been let go. 340 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,730 Exactly. So you know, so she said, after a month, we were 341 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:17,580 allowed to send a letter. So I sent a letter to my boyfriend 342 00:18:17,580 --> 00:18:20,970 who was of course in the in the in the mail ward. And they 343 00:18:20,970 --> 00:18:24,870 showed the envelope, I freeze frame the video, and I just 344 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:29,850 copied the address, and I Googled it. And the website for 345 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:33,540 the jail is, is the server not found, right? It's just gone. 346 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:37,980 This the domain doesn't, doesn't resolve anymore. And then, you 347 00:18:37,980 --> 00:18:40,260 know, through a couple more searches, I found out that it 348 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:45,990 was a part of MTC, and I'm just like, you know, these, it's 349 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:48,960 clear that these companies are incentivized to keep people in 350 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,260 jail and throw people in there, even if they don't belong in 351 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:52,650 there. 352 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,970 Yeah, because they get paid. Yeah. So it's, you know, the 353 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:59,940 more you got in there, the more you get paid. I'm just, I'm just 354 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:02,340 start rounding people up and throwing them in charging the 355 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:02,820 government. 356 00:19:03,450 --> 00:19:06,210 I'm starting to understand how this works. You know, so our tax 357 00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:10,380 dollars go into the government, the government then hires 358 00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:13,290 commercial companies to do what I've always thought was like, 359 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,430 kind of like government work, you know, fair, people who have 360 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:21,120 no benefit to having more people in jail, but it's not true. It's 361 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,760 the people who are in Iraq fighting or commercial 362 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,640 companies. It's, it's not 363 00:19:27,299 --> 00:19:28,919 I know, it's like roller ball. 364 00:19:30,059 --> 00:19:33,209 It is, is yeah, it's very much like roller ball. You don't 365 00:19:33,209 --> 00:19:35,909 understand it, but still it's kind of fun to watch you know, 366 00:19:35,939 --> 00:19:37,829 fat chicks getting beat up I don't know it's 367 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,160 no I mean, the movie the original movie roller ball was a 368 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:44,460 with the James Caan was all the basically the country had 369 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:49,500 deteriorated into into factions of corporations that had that 370 00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:52,080 just would fight with each other and there was there was no 371 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,930 government anymore and the one of the ways they would resolve a 372 00:19:54,930 --> 00:19:58,260 lot of this is by having these roller ball games, where the you 373 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:01,290 know, winner takes all and if it died Another thing that was cool 374 00:20:01,500 --> 00:20:02,190 fuck I got 375 00:20:02,190 --> 00:20:03,060 to see this movie. I've 376 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:06,120 never seen this. You never seen about roller. A couple of movies 377 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,310 out there people should see roller ball the original roller 378 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:10,890 but it came out again but these remakes suck that you have to 379 00:20:10,890 --> 00:20:14,460 get the original James Caan one and that's a good movie it's 380 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:17,670 it's it's you know kind of sick it's like running man and all 381 00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:22,050 these others a lot of these anti Corporation movies out there but 382 00:20:22,050 --> 00:20:24,150 they're rollerballs quite good. But then another one if you 383 00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:27,360 haven't seen it, which I've just thinking of like cult favourites 384 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:33,510 is the original Max Headroom movie before it became a TV 385 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:37,740 show. And if you can get a copy of it. The Max Headroom movie 386 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:43,110 original has a nerd kid in it that is priceless. This kid is 387 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,220 unbuilt lievable you just hate him the minute you see him. He's 388 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:50,730 an evil little kid was part of that, you know, again, a hacker. 389 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:53,340 And it's just one of the best characters I've ever seen on the 390 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:55,320 screen. But the movie itself is quite fascinating. 391 00:20:55,410 --> 00:21:01,860 I'm googling it right now see if I can find a clip. I've never 392 00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:04,950 seen that one either. Of course, I saw the TV show because I was 393 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,130 hosting my own music TV show at the time. And we saw this as a 394 00:21:08,130 --> 00:21:11,400 huge I remember actually talking with producers they were like, 395 00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:14,130 oh fuck, man, our days are numbered. Look at what they're 396 00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:16,470 doing over there in England and they've got like this fucking 397 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:18,930 like this animated shit. And you know, we won't need any more 398 00:21:18,930 --> 00:21:22,440 sets. We won't need any more anything. You know, the end is 399 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,480 near it was quite amazing. 400 00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:28,799 Like those are pretty good films for this kind of genre. But 401 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:32,699 anyway, so roller balls were reminded of with this situation 402 00:21:32,699 --> 00:21:35,459 with these, these jet, I don't understand it myself where the 403 00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:37,949 government is, you know, they've done that with the parking 404 00:21:37,949 --> 00:21:41,399 system in San Francisco, turned it over to a private company. 405 00:21:41,489 --> 00:21:44,069 And so now you have no redress. You can they can just give 406 00:21:44,069 --> 00:21:46,859 tickets away to anybody they want. You're screwed. They've 407 00:21:46,859 --> 00:21:49,709 jacked up the prices out in front of the offices at the pot 408 00:21:49,709 --> 00:21:52,169 show headquarters. It's five cents as a quarter for five 409 00:21:52,169 --> 00:21:54,539 cents. Funny. I'm sorry, five minutes for 410 00:21:54,539 --> 00:21:57,479 a quarter. No. Five minutes for a quarter. 411 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,090 Yeah, so you got to pump in. I don't know. They have to keep 412 00:22:00,090 --> 00:22:03,180 dumping these these these metres out daily because they you know, 413 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,150 put in sit there for half an hour you got to throw in about 414 00:22:06,150 --> 00:22:08,400 you got to how many quarters you got to throw in that fit they 415 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,170 fill up and jam. That's ridiculous. I mean, the original 416 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:16,230 idea for parking metres was you put a coin in there as a token 417 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:19,620 just to set a timer that would make you have to get out of 418 00:22:19,620 --> 00:22:22,620 there for the timer was over. It wasn't supposed to be a profit 419 00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:23,160 centre. 420 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,740 Manager turned into one 421 00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:29,970 Yeah, cuz some jerk off came along and said, hey, you know, 422 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:36,300 we can make money off these parking metres. Bam. So they're 423 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:38,520 not designed to to move traffic long. And the worst part about 424 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,450 it is because there's so onerous ly expensive. on Second Street 425 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,900 around the office near Bryant. Yeah, and there's metres all 426 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:48,540 over the place. They're all 25 cents for five minutes to 427 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:51,870 street, there's no buddy parking in those spots, because they'll 428 00:22:51,870 --> 00:22:54,570 drive you down into the residential area around the 429 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,600 corner and park in the residential spots where they 430 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,970 don't have to worry about it so much, because you get two hours. 431 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,450 And so meanwhile, the residents are screwed. I mean, this is 432 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:06,360 just I don't see how they really don't like San Francisco. 433 00:23:06,869 --> 00:23:10,079 Check this out in London. So they have this radical new 434 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:13,619 scheme called the congestion charge. Which, are you familiar 435 00:23:13,619 --> 00:23:14,099 with this? 436 00:23:14,339 --> 00:23:17,939 Oh, yeah. Okay, so there's apps that accidentally drive into it? 437 00:23:17,939 --> 00:23:18,179 Yeah. 438 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:21,900 So there's a zone of London. And the minute you drive in, you 439 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,440 know, your, your licence plate to scan and if you within a 440 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,050 certain amount of time, don't pay up at you know, like 441 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:30,900 newsstands, I guess you can you can pay your fee. Or if you 442 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,520 don't have a subscription, it's eight pounds per day. And of 443 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,460 course, it's a penalty if you if you don't pay for it. Now, they 444 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:43,140 just recently expanded this into Chelsea and one other 445 00:23:43,140 --> 00:23:46,920 neighbourhood. And so what is actually supposed to help 446 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,130 congestion and honestly, they launched this the very day that 447 00:23:50,130 --> 00:23:53,490 school vacation started a year ago, I think, or two years ago. 448 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:57,030 So of course, everyone said, wow, look, it's working. It was 449 00:23:57,030 --> 00:24:00,810 school vacation. So you know, it did feel a little bit better for 450 00:24:00,810 --> 00:24:04,800 a while. But now they've expanded it into Chelsea, it's 451 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,830 actually had the complete opposite effect. Because all 452 00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:11,340 these people who are residents in that area, they get a 90% 453 00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:15,120 discount on the congestion fee. So they're, you know, they're 454 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,830 paying not even a pound a day, and they can go anywhere 455 00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:24,450 throughout London with their car anywhere. So now the traffic is 456 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:27,360 completely fucked up. It's been you know, this just happened a 457 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,210 few months ago and all the cab drivers are talking about it 458 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:33,630 everyone is just, you know, well, of course the Brits don't 459 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:35,550 really get outraged about it, you know, they'd love to just 460 00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:40,080 complain but I'm outraged it's it's nuts and you can just see 461 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,280 that they don't give a shit. You know that the government taxes 462 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:46,950 you know, the licence fee for the car and then you know, the 463 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:51,540 gas is tax and now that you know, it's it's, it's just going 464 00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:52,560 to keep on going. 465 00:24:54,569 --> 00:24:56,309 I'm surprised they haven't had a revolution. 466 00:24:58,589 --> 00:25:01,109 There's no more new lands. I Guess that's why we have to go 467 00:25:01,109 --> 00:25:01,889 to the moon again. 468 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:05,730 Maybe if we ever went in the first place? Yeah, 469 00:25:05,729 --> 00:25:09,419 no, no, no, no, I've I've tried that one on the on my show a 470 00:25:09,419 --> 00:25:12,899 couple years ago. And that was very bad to be on the they 471 00:25:12,899 --> 00:25:15,839 didn't go to the moon side of the story. There's more people 472 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:16,919 who believe we did. 473 00:25:17,369 --> 00:25:19,829 But I do love the new latest twist that we're gonna go to the 474 00:25:19,829 --> 00:25:22,709 moon again in might. And I love throwing this one because I've 475 00:25:22,709 --> 00:25:25,199 thrown this one on the blog, because I just love this, this 476 00:25:25,199 --> 00:25:29,159 this type of debate, which is my argument is well, the only 477 00:25:29,159 --> 00:25:32,159 reason we're going to go back to the moon again, is because the 478 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:35,369 Chinese say they're going to the moon. So that means we have to 479 00:25:35,369 --> 00:25:38,189 go to the moon before they get there. So we can plant this 480 00:25:38,189 --> 00:25:41,579 stuff from 1969 that it was never there in the first place. 481 00:25:41,609 --> 00:25:45,989 I love it. Oh, this is what this is a story I wanted to talk to 482 00:25:45,989 --> 00:25:49,139 you about when I was the last night I was in San Francisco as 483 00:25:49,139 --> 00:25:53,039 watching CNN, maybe was a Friday night. And Larry King Live was 484 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:58,439 on and he had Shirley MacLaine. Now surely McCain, McLean. You 485 00:25:58,439 --> 00:26:00,599 know, I always hear Patricia, who of course, is older than I 486 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,719 am, she's seen more of Shirley MacLaine, seeing more of her 487 00:26:03,719 --> 00:26:06,659 career, and, you know, just knows more about her. And 488 00:26:06,659 --> 00:26:08,939 Patricia always says, oh, man, she's kooky. She's really not. 489 00:26:09,419 --> 00:26:14,459 And I recall that she had this thing about UFOs. And the whole 490 00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:19,319 discussion was about UFOs. And these pilots, these ex military 491 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,439 pilots, who are now all stepping forward and saying, you know, we 492 00:26:22,439 --> 00:26:25,829 really feel the government, you know, there's no reason anymore 493 00:26:26,129 --> 00:26:29,819 to hide the fact that they exist that here all the time. You 494 00:26:29,819 --> 00:26:31,859 know, we understand that there was no there would have been 495 00:26:31,859 --> 00:26:35,819 mass panic 40 years ago with people, you know, knew that 496 00:26:35,819 --> 00:26:38,849 there were UFOs. But look, they exist. I've seen him and even 497 00:26:39,179 --> 00:26:45,569 Dennis, what's the candidate's name chinny chin, which he 498 00:26:45,569 --> 00:26:48,869 admitted on stage in one of the debates at when he was asked 499 00:26:48,869 --> 00:26:52,139 directly, you know, have you ever seen a UFO? And he says, 500 00:26:52,139 --> 00:26:54,689 Yeah, I've seen a UFO which of course, what a fucking loaded 501 00:26:54,689 --> 00:26:59,429 question that is, just to make the guy look foolish. But but 502 00:26:59,429 --> 00:27:01,319 this is, you know, there's there's something happening 503 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:04,139 here. I'm not quite sure where it's coming from. But it was, 504 00:27:04,229 --> 00:27:09,659 you know, Shirley MacLaine, these ex military pilots, you 505 00:27:09,659 --> 00:27:12,059 know, on Larry King, and like, there's something real here. 506 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:16,290 At least something some phoney baloney special. 507 00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:19,710 No, no, no, no, no, no, you don't think so? 508 00:27:20,309 --> 00:27:24,119 Yeah, that would never happen on CNN or any of these TV stations. 509 00:27:25,409 --> 00:27:28,889 No, set the public up for a special pre plugging it in 510 00:27:28,889 --> 00:27:33,089 advance. Get one all jacked up. That never happened. So I was 511 00:27:33,089 --> 00:27:34,949 watching Larry King, I wasn't watching Larry King. But now 512 00:27:34,949 --> 00:27:37,589 there's just kind of a quasi scandal going on. I get the 513 00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:41,159 biggest kick out of this one. Larry King had Marie. Marie 514 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:46,919 Azzaman. Don. Yeah. And he asked her about her son who apparently 515 00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:52,019 is in rehab for drugs or alcohol or, or I don't know what, when 516 00:27:52,019 --> 00:27:54,929 anyway, and she kind of freaked out because this is supposed to 517 00:27:54,929 --> 00:27:58,169 be a big secret. And she was she got her demeanour changed. And 518 00:27:58,169 --> 00:28:02,129 now they said all these entertainment shows that, that 519 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:05,429 try to find news where there is none right there all all over 520 00:28:05,429 --> 00:28:09,179 the story. All over the story as though and I'm looking at it as 521 00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:12,599 Wait a minute. Larry King, actually, who's the softball 522 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,129 master on on CNN, who never says anything about anything actually 523 00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:20,639 asks a question that is, you know, has some, you know, some 524 00:28:20,639 --> 00:28:24,089 research behind it. And everybody just finds this to be 525 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,069 a stunning shocker. 526 00:28:26,099 --> 00:28:29,159 Well, well, no. But of course, it's you know, Larry King 527 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:32,729 actually didn't know he's just too stupid. You know, he didn't 528 00:28:32,729 --> 00:28:34,859 know it was a secret and everyone else did. I'm looking 529 00:28:34,859 --> 00:28:35,339 at it now. 530 00:28:36,029 --> 00:28:39,029 discussing how stupid I can get. He knew is he I'm sure he knew 531 00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:42,269 it was a secret. I don't know why he did it. I bet he's not 532 00:28:42,269 --> 00:28:45,869 stupid by any means. I mean, we should all be so dumb. And I 533 00:28:45,869 --> 00:28:49,739 think it was some. I don't know what there was some ulterior 534 00:28:49,739 --> 00:28:52,169 motive. I'm not sure what it was, because he never does that. 535 00:28:52,199 --> 00:28:54,179 I mean, he just, he probably could, if you want it to, but 536 00:28:54,179 --> 00:28:57,419 he's essentially just, you know, kind of sleepwalk through that 537 00:28:57,419 --> 00:28:57,809 show. 538 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,750 Well, so there's, there's a couple of things I'll say here. 539 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:03,780 You know, because I have been kind of following the Osmonds 540 00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:08,700 over the past couple of weeks, mainly because, you know, Marie 541 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,640 was in Dancing with the Stars. And then and I liked that show 542 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,370 that she passed out, right. So that that kind of got her into 543 00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:19,200 the news. I know Donnie, in fact, I raced against him in a 544 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,880 celebrity race in Denver. During the I was in India, an indie 545 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,690 event IndyCar when I was working for MTV, and you know, and if 546 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:30,330 the guy's fuckin serious, yeah, he won the race, by the way, 547 00:29:30,330 --> 00:29:33,090 he's, you know, I was impressed. He was, you know, we were all 548 00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,370 out partying, and he was walking the track at five in the 549 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:38,070 morning, you know, finding the apex and all the fucking person 550 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:41,400 wanted to win. He really wanted to win. But I've been following 551 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 this and, you know, like, thing I can say is, you know, for what 552 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:48,270 they had 100 Osmonds on Oprah the other day 100. So, you know, 553 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,050 even though they're Marie's dad had just passed away a few days 554 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:55,050 earlier, they still decide to come to Oprah Show, which is 555 00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:58,020 fine, you know, but you know, what was the point? You know, 556 00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:01,800 she was there plugging her dolls with She sells on I think QVC or 557 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,530 the home shopping network, which is, I think, really her main 558 00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:08,100 source of income and I'm sure it does huge business. But when 559 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,340 you, you know, you step back into the limelight, you know, 560 00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:13,980 it's like a fucking Boomerang, I've seen this happen, it's 561 00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:16,890 happened to me many times, you know, it comes back at you, and 562 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,700 positive energy comes back fucking black and vice versa. 563 00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:24,870 It's just, it's just, it's part of the beast, you know, only it 564 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:28,650 whips a lot faster than it used to. And the turnaround time is 565 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:32,580 quicker, and the ups and downs are severe. And this is just 566 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:33,720 what happens, I think. 567 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,009 I guess I mean, I don't get it, why she's, you know, in and out 568 00:30:38,009 --> 00:30:40,859 of the scene that much anyway. But like, maybe she's always 569 00:30:40,859 --> 00:30:42,359 trying to stay in a scene, whatever the 570 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,059 well, you have to because you know, when your gig as a 571 00:30:45,059 --> 00:30:47,309 celebrity is selling, you know, I'm Marie Azzaman these are 572 00:30:47,309 --> 00:30:50,219 these dolls, and I think she has a factory and this is really 573 00:30:50,219 --> 00:30:54,779 big, these collectibles, and people get really into it. You 574 00:30:54,779 --> 00:30:56,849 know, it's like seller attainment, you know, I love I 575 00:30:56,849 --> 00:31:00,389 love that it's a great it's a great vocation, but part of that 576 00:31:00,389 --> 00:31:03,689 is her celebrity. So you know, once in a while she you know, 577 00:31:03,689 --> 00:31:06,629 she has to do something you know, it's part of the business 578 00:31:06,629 --> 00:31:09,659 you know, you you do a special or you get invited some 579 00:31:09,659 --> 00:31:14,429 Christmas thing that you do or pass out on stage for example, I 580 00:31:14,429 --> 00:31:16,499 don't think that was contrived but yeah dance. 581 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:19,080 I'm beginning to wait after listening to you I'm thinking to 582 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,990 passing out on stage has been tried and so is does Larry King 583 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:25,980 thing. Maybe Larry King was was told to do this, and then she 584 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:28,080 could act flabbergast and get all kind of she got 585 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,049 no John. John. No, John. No, John. No, I've been in this 586 00:31:31,049 --> 00:31:34,649 game. It that's not how it works. That is not. Is it a 587 00:31:34,649 --> 00:31:38,819 possibility? No, it's not how it works. It is just not how it 588 00:31:38,819 --> 00:31:44,429 works. The game is attention. That's the game. 589 00:31:44,849 --> 00:31:47,939 And you want to get you more attention than passing out. 590 00:31:48,059 --> 00:31:52,469 Yeah, but you can't set it up. Very, very rarely Can you can 591 00:31:52,469 --> 00:31:56,519 you set it up? That's why it's it's such an addictive game is 592 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,089 because it's like media hacking. You know, if you do this, this 593 00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:00,869 is gonna happen. 594 00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,810 No, I understand. I understand. I agree with you. 100%. But I'm 595 00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:08,130 just wondering, is it possible that she's that good? 596 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:19,199 Okay, I see your point that, you know, what, I'd have to defer to 597 00:32:19,199 --> 00:32:22,769 the lady Patricia and I will report back on the next episode. 598 00:32:23,429 --> 00:32:27,869 She will know she's that good. I think I think the passing out 599 00:32:27,869 --> 00:32:34,109 was was real. The Larry King thing. I don't know. 600 00:32:34,769 --> 00:32:38,459 I never throws a question out like this to anybody. Now all of 601 00:32:38,459 --> 00:32:40,949 a sudden you have the nice little Murray Come on. Well, 602 00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:44,160 you know, it could be that someone is just sitting there 603 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,590 going, Hey, let's fuck with her. Let's go get some ratings. 604 00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:50,159 Now maybe that's manipulation, too. 605 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,360 Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I see that happening a lot quicker than you 606 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,420 know that it's a real setup and she and she wanted it. I think 607 00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:59,820 she would much rather doesn't every celebrity want to be in 608 00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:01,290 the news in a positive light? 609 00:33:02,579 --> 00:33:04,769 Well, that now if you're measured by the pound, like they 610 00:33:04,769 --> 00:33:05,219 say 611 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,950 enter the entire enter enter the entire reason for hip hop. 612 00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:16,170 So anyway, we'll never know that's the point. 613 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,830 Oh, I don't know we'll keep it on the list. 614 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,399 Me as reminds me of the you know that of course, this was never 615 00:33:23,399 --> 00:33:26,039 done for publicity purposes. But you know, Little Richard used to 616 00:33:26,579 --> 00:33:30,449 when he did his rock act would always do something to injure 617 00:33:30,449 --> 00:33:32,819 himself and have to be carried out in a stretcher. 618 00:33:36,029 --> 00:33:40,289 Oh, speaking of celebrities, I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here 619 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,389 is on again here in the UK. But is that okay? So I guess they 620 00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:47,849 may have tried this in the states and the format didn't 621 00:33:47,849 --> 00:33:54,359 take off. It's a group of C slash d liberties. So former 622 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:58,409 soap stars. This year. The biggest celebrity is this woman 623 00:33:58,409 --> 00:34:04,139 named Janice Dickinson, who's who has hosted NEC America's 624 00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:06,599 Next Top Model, I think on an America's Next Top Model, 625 00:34:06,629 --> 00:34:08,969 America's next model or whatever, you know, one of these 626 00:34:08,969 --> 00:34:12,539 shows and she was one of the original supermodels. And now 627 00:34:12,539 --> 00:34:17,609 she's you know, in the 50s and she you know, she admittedly has 628 00:34:17,609 --> 00:34:20,729 done has had all kinds of plastic surgery done and she 629 00:34:20,729 --> 00:34:23,489 looks pretty good. You know, she's very MILFy can't quite 630 00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:27,689 hand the hide the old hands. But anyway, they take this group of 631 00:34:27,689 --> 00:34:30,269 celebrities and they put them in the jungle and it's like a 632 00:34:30,689 --> 00:34:34,829 reality show where you get you know, you have to do trials and 633 00:34:34,829 --> 00:34:41,459 you get voted off by the public. But it is enthralling. It is the 634 00:34:41,459 --> 00:34:45,989 most fantastic television you can imagine. Really? Oh it is it 635 00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:49,049 and yeah, because these people you know, it's not like the Big 636 00:34:49,049 --> 00:34:52,679 Brother house where you still have kind of luxuries. The 637 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,319 entire programme is built around food. So you have your camp, and 638 00:34:58,319 --> 00:35:00,689 you get food that you have to cook yourself Every night but 639 00:35:00,689 --> 00:35:05,369 you have to complete a trial each day one of the members as 640 00:35:05,369 --> 00:35:08,099 to you know chosen by the public has to complete a trial and if 641 00:35:08,099 --> 00:35:11,129 you don't complete the trial then you know you you get less 642 00:35:11,129 --> 00:35:14,369 meals and then you wind up eating close to nothing or like 643 00:35:14,369 --> 00:35:16,979 rice and beans or some something like that. And these people are 644 00:35:16,979 --> 00:35:21,569 constipated and it's really and they're sleeping outdoors and 645 00:35:21,569 --> 00:35:24,869 they have to do stuff like you know eat live creatures and you 646 00:35:24,869 --> 00:35:29,789 know sit in tubs with alligators and you know, creepy crawly shit 647 00:35:29,789 --> 00:35:34,739 eels? I mean, just usually shit that, you know, inherently it's 648 00:35:34,739 --> 00:35:36,089 creepy, crawly, freaky? 649 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:39,180 Well, I think it's good that we this is what we do to our 650 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:41,520 celebrities that fall off the a&b list, 651 00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:45,630 it is totally a way back. It is it is fantastic for them. 652 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,140 So we'll make a copy of one of those for me on a on a stick or 653 00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:53,430 something in London, take a look at 654 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,580 okay, well, there's Janice Dickinson who is a completely 655 00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:03,000 ruling the camp and you know, half the women hate her. You 656 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,550 know, she fell down the other the other day when she had to do 657 00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:08,940 a trial and she's so afraid and she can't do anything is you 658 00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:11,550 really see human nature come out. And you can kind of pick 659 00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:13,020 what what the people are gonna be like. 660 00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:17,550 Of course, you know, most people. Most people out there 661 00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:20,130 probably aren't not aware of the fact that typically I mean, and 662 00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:23,250 Mark Burnett used to always harp on this, that he hated the term 663 00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,710 reality TV, and he's the guy who invented survivor and most of 664 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:28,680 the really good shows, and he liked to call them unscripted 665 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,490 dramas. And they make you sign a lot of non disclosures when you 666 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:34,560 do one of these shows, like a million, so you can't say 667 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,080 anything about how the show's actually constructed. Yeah. And 668 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,140 then because it is constructed, it's totally constructed. And 669 00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:42,510 they also get coach everybody and they say, Okay, you're gonna 670 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:44,970 sit down with this person, you got to find something to argue 671 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,070 about. And then when you get a chance, throw a glass of wine in 672 00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:50,340 his face. We'll get it you know, and then and then they tell you 673 00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:52,230 exactly what to do and how to do and they haven't you know, 674 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,540 certain people that do certain things, they always first have 675 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,810 the camera ready for that. It's always humorous. Nobody notices 676 00:36:57,810 --> 00:36:59,970 this little What do you got a million cameras? And I don't 677 00:36:59,970 --> 00:37:04,350 think so. And the whole thing is a phoney baloney thing, not that 678 00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:08,280 people aren't eating the bugs, and the worms and whatever. Hey, 679 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,400 you 680 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,990 know what, you know what I did a reality show of our family 681 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:22,260 called Addams Family. In 2002, I think 2002 2003 and we produce 682 00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:24,990 it all ourselves. So we had like one camera guy living with this. 683 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:28,320 I did a camera and had one editor everything done on Final 684 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,350 Cut Pro and it was broadcast every Saturday night primetime. 685 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,520 on SBS broadcasting in the Netherlands, you know, I have 686 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,620 the rights to that, you know, we could do first of all, I want 687 00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,750 you to see it because I think you get a kick out of it. 688 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:44,550 Because even though it was completely unscripted and 689 00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:48,060 everything happened, everything you saw was chronological order. 690 00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:51,990 You'll see that just by editing we really made it into something 691 00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:55,020 entertaining, and particularly editing to hit records, you 692 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:59,070 know, like soundtrack to your life type hit records. Which I 693 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:02,940 should put that up online. Because I have the right okay 694 00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:04,950 should but I want to make everyone's I want to make money 695 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:12,750 off of it. Good luck. Can we get Chris Jacob to find a sponsor 696 00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:17,730 Colgate or something? Or? Oh, no. You know what? No, I know, I 697 00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:22,380 can get to the Mars Corporation. They wanted to sponsor the show. 698 00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:25,710 And they said, you know, we'll give you I know it was like 699 00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:29,280 10,000 euros per episode. If you feed your cats. 700 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,820 What is it large candy bars? No, no, 701 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:37,950 they make Putin up not the Purina like fancy feast or? 702 00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:40,770 Yeah, they do the club skis or something? Yeah, they do. They 703 00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:42,780 do candy bars, because they also said, could you just have a 704 00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:46,530 couple of Mars Bars laying, laying around product placement? 705 00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:50,310 And I'm like, No, I really don't want to do that. Because then 706 00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:53,490 I'm really kind of breaking the barrier. But I could I could 707 00:38:53,490 --> 00:38:56,010 probably get them to sponsor they might still be 708 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:59,760 talking about that product placement in the last episode of 709 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,880 I there's this show. I think it's called 30 foot summaries. I 710 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,190 can't quite remember the name of the show. But 30 rock we already 711 00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:06,480 rock. Tina Fey sure 712 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:07,980 love for sure. Right 713 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:11,040 in the middle of the show. She's she's getting into an argument 714 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,760 with Jack the boss and he says I've got to go. And he says I've 715 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,360 just happened. I just he got the was with somebody and they end 716 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,180 up swapping phones. And so he says I accidentally thought my 717 00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:24,120 phone was her phone and she must stop. Her phone was mine. And 718 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,010 Tina Fey goes, well, that's interesting, because that's such 719 00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:29,220 a beautiful Verizon phone you got there from Verizon. I think 720 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:32,340 it makes me want to run to the Verizon store right now to get a 721 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:34,890 Verizon phone. And then she looks right into the camera and 722 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:36,630 says, Do we get paid now? 723 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:43,140 That's Alec Baldwin. Her boss. Yeah, yeah. Now she's funny, 724 00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:43,980 man. I like her. 725 00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:48,090 Well, she will Baldwin is definitely doing his best work 726 00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:49,230 as a comic. 727 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,960 Yeah. Yeah, no, that that is very cool. So wrap it up, maybe 728 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,840 with the writer strike, which is still ongoing. I hear the 26 729 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,380 they're gonna go back to the the negotiating table. 730 00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:05,610 Yeah, go to the dvorak.org/blog site and look at the last writer 731 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:09,390 strike video, which was done by some staffers at The Daily Show. 732 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:12,240 And if nothing else, we're gonna get some good videos out of 733 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,110 these guys because they seem to be getting itchy. And but the 734 00:40:16,110 --> 00:40:18,690 writers strike you know, the if you start watching what they 735 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,110 have to say on their videos that they're putting on YouTube, you 736 00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:24,390 know, you have to take their side on this whole thing, even 737 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:26,220 though I still think it could have been pretty good, maybe a 738 00:40:26,220 --> 00:40:28,950 little premature, what they did, but they really did get screwed 739 00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:31,650 on a lot of these. These deals. 740 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,790 Now I agree, they they got screwed. And I think they do 741 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:38,760 need to be made whole. And they do have to have some kind of 742 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,910 model set up in the future. The only thing that I just got a 743 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:45,900 little itchy about is, you know, this could happen with any cog 744 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:49,410 in the wheel. You know, it's not, it's not like, sure to the 745 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,620 if there's no writing, then there's no show. But there's a 746 00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:56,760 lot of unions that if they drop out, then it's you know, it's 747 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,670 going to be just as bad. And there really won't be any shows 748 00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:00,210 either. 749 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:04,620 You know what I mean? I will always have the no agenda show. 750 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:09,330 I'm looking at getting paid is the name of the game. Is that 751 00:41:09,330 --> 00:41:15,180 the video? Yeah. Second, let me just see. I wonder if you can 752 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:18,180 hear this. Probably not. Hello, and welcome here. That is 753 00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:19,860 obviously not the daily No. 754 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:22,860 Okay, bummer. You have to rig it differently next time. 755 00:41:22,919 --> 00:41:27,149 Yeah, you're coming through the same interface. All right. Damn, 756 00:41:27,179 --> 00:41:30,989 John. 41 minutes. Not bad for a Saturday afternoon here in 757 00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:32,549 London. Morning. 758 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,840 Saturday morning here. I gotta go to the store farmer's market. 759 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:39,060 I've already been shopping with my wife. 760 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:44,070 So that's it for this weekend. John C. Dvorak here in Northern 761 00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:44,760 California. 762 00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:49,410 I'm Adam curry, right underneath London in the United Kingdom. We 763 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:51,960 have no agenda, but we'll be doing it again soon. 764 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:53,370 By so long. 765 00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:59,250 The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest 766 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,130 minds in content delivery, pod show and Limelight