1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,740 So roll tape roll. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,900 Yeah. And then but you know, we still have to start, you know, 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,520 the way that what people never hear on the show. Oh, yeah. 4 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:12,870 Yeah, whatever that means hit it. Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,680 It's Thursday, July 12 2012. Time for a media assassination 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,450 of the no agenda Show Episode Four to five. This is no agenda, 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,860 pretending to be live on the best podcast in the universe, 8 00:00:25,860 --> 00:00:28,950 but really just faking it, because I'm getting married in 9 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:30,810 the morning. I'm Adam curry, 10 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:33,989 and from Northern Silicon Valley where he's getting married in 11 00:00:33,989 --> 00:00:39,059 the morning. You're kidding me. I'm John C. Dvorak. Buzzkill. 12 00:00:41,460 --> 00:00:44,340 So finally, people on the podcast heard hit it. 13 00:00:45,570 --> 00:00:48,270 That was my that was tough to hear. Hit it normal. No, 14 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:49,950 thanks for listening to the show. 15 00:00:51,870 --> 00:00:54,780 Usually starts off with me saying some stupid that you 16 00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:57,330 found in the show. And then you ran run the Yeah, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,250 believe it or not hard to find that. 18 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:06,660 So we're doing show 200.6. Yeah. Which is also show for 25. Which 19 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:13,620 is ironic, which is actually show 2.5. With addendum. Yes. So 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,980 why so what we're going to do for anyone listening, we're 21 00:01:16,980 --> 00:01:21,150 going to play at the show today for 2.5 was an introductory show 22 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:24,750 that we gave to people that are members of the deuce club. And 23 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:26,940 we are going to play not the whole thing because there's some 24 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:29,370 stuff in there that just wasn't is not important. So we took a 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,520 little chunk out. And we do some questions and answers. And we're 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,500 going to do some questions. We're going to we'll interrupted 27 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:38,070 right in the middle. And and we're going to talk about how 28 00:01:38,070 --> 00:01:41,760 the show has changed since our analysis, which was almost two 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,080 years ago. Yes. 30 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:46,290 Wasn't really two years ago, I guess it was two years ago. What 31 00:01:46,290 --> 00:01:48,720 was what was the date on that? Actually, did you look at that 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,220 because I got the 33 00:01:50,250 --> 00:01:56,040 date. I have it on the other computer. It's thanks July 2009 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:56,160 or 35 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:02,460 so anyone for anyone who's who's been pointed to this by someone 36 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:05,730 else? Saying, Oh, if you want to know what these guys are all 37 00:02:05,730 --> 00:02:09,930 about, and you need to listen to this show, which I hope it will 38 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:10,650 work for you. 39 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:18,150 Well, maybe we can we I took a lot of notes on the on the show 40 00:02:18,150 --> 00:02:20,400 and the tune of point five shows so we can talk about what's 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,790 changed and a lot of things have changed. It was actually the 42 00:02:23,790 --> 00:02:32,850 noise factor. It was shows noisier than it's ever been 43 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:37,770 may 17 2010. Yeah. So more than two years ago. Yeah. A little 44 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:41,850 over. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Alright, so we're gonna play that because 45 00:02:41,850 --> 00:02:46,050 it does explain a lot about the history of the show. Why it's so 46 00:02:46,050 --> 00:02:49,980 hard for people who just give it a one off casual listen to get 47 00:02:49,980 --> 00:02:53,820 into it immediately. Because there is definitely some stuff 48 00:02:53,820 --> 00:02:57,540 like Gene goals and some top 40 radio type stuff, which seems a 49 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:02,400 little bit out of place. What we do how we do it, and it 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,950 definitely needs updating because a lot has changed in my 51 00:03:04,950 --> 00:03:10,560 life since May 17 2010. I think for you probably nothing has 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:11,280 changed. It's just 53 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,040 got the Samsung in the same chair. 54 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:20,160 Alright, so we'll be back. No, no skipping ahead. Now you'll 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,100 enjoy listening to it again. And we'll be back right in the 56 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:27,930 middle of it. Yep, here is no agenda episode. 200.5 Adam 57 00:03:27,930 --> 00:03:32,610 curry, John C. Dvorak. It's May 16 2010. Time for Gitmo nation 58 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:38,070 media assassination episode 200.5. This is no agenda. 59 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:41,250 Welcome to a special backstage tour of the no agenda Show 60 00:03:41,250 --> 00:03:44,070 coming to you from the hilltop Watchtower crock pot command 61 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:46,860 center and get my nation West in the People's Republic of 62 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:50,160 Southern California. Yay. In the morning, I'm Adam curry. 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,490 And it's not really a media assassination today. It's a no 64 00:03:53,490 --> 00:04:01,980 agenda assassination of John C. Dvorak. And Buzzkill. We still 65 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:05,610 get to say in the morning, yeah, definitely, in the morning never 66 00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:08,250 goes away. You know, the thing is, we should tell people since 67 00:04:08,250 --> 00:04:10,440 this is really a show where we're just essentially going to 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,140 talk about the show and we're going to ask answer a lot of 69 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:17,640 questions and probably ask some but you know, the one of the 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,860 things you should immediately note we actually had the debate 71 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:26,370 as to whether we're going to play the opening. We jingle 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,280 it's kind of sad that we didn't put the debate on the backstage 73 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:33,570 show. This is kind of where we Yeah, I think on this show which 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,610 is driven by support from our producers slash donors 75 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:43,650 supporters where we kind of bare at all not that we have any 76 00:04:43,650 --> 00:04:46,560 secrets I don't think but people just want to know a lot of stuff 77 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,640 that we don't put into the show because little known facts, we 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,720 make it look easy. 79 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:55,260 And also a lot of this personal stuff that they're asking 80 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,500 because we I sent out a message on Twitter to get some questions 81 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:00,690 and we also got a couple of emails in You've worked up some 82 00:05:00,690 --> 00:05:03,720 questions yourself. To be honest about it. A lot of it is just 83 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,650 plain boring. 84 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,140 Yes, indeed, you know, John and I have been in. In fact, you've 85 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:13,290 said this on episode 200. We've been in media in all forms of 86 00:05:13,290 --> 00:05:17,250 media from print, you've probably been around 87 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,000 typesetting. 88 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:21,480 Actual. I used to be a typesetter part time when I was 89 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,050 in college. So 90 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,790 it doesn't surprise me all the way through to today's reality 91 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:30,270 based television programming and everything in between on 92 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:34,800 mainstream media. And I would say, Well, I certainly gave up a 93 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,970 number of years ago, and I am patently on hireable by 94 00:05:38,970 --> 00:05:41,250 mainstream media. In fact, the last, 95 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:45,090 especially after you did that CNBC thing? Well, 96 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:49,230 yeah, that's right. When I said Michael Jackson was probably 97 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:52,230 killed, and they cut me off. And of course, now it turns out, he 98 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:56,520 probably was. But yeah, the last radio station I was on, which 99 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,760 was around the time we started the show, actually, in fact, 100 00:06:00,210 --> 00:06:02,970 no, you were doing this that show while we're doing this 101 00:06:02,970 --> 00:06:03,360 show, 102 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:07,080 here, but I think we started this show. Yeah. But I've only 103 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,870 done a couple like a week or two. And then we started doing 104 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,960 this show, right? I was doing that first was No, no, I think 105 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,170 you were fired during I was fired during we were doing no 106 00:06:16,170 --> 00:06:19,080 agenda when I was fired. But it only just started that show. 107 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:20,910 Yeah, no, I think we did it for about a month. 108 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:27,810 So I was trying to think back, because that was I think 26 of 109 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,510 either October or November 2007. The first episode was like 35 110 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:38,340 minutes. The good old days. Yeah, I was living in London, 111 00:06:38,340 --> 00:06:41,370 which did give the show a very different flavor. I have to say 112 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:43,050 I was also baked out of my mind. 113 00:06:43,650 --> 00:06:46,170 Right. Although, you know, to be honest about it. I don't think 114 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:49,950 that was apparent. And I actually argue with you. I don't 115 00:06:49,950 --> 00:06:53,670 think you've personally changed that much from stop since you 116 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:54,540 stopped smoking. 117 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:58,680 Right. But I Well, there's a couple of episodes there where I 118 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,080 remember one time I actually went off on some tangent and I 119 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,360 said, Dude, I'm so baked. Yeah. But yeah, I 120 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,080 do remember that. 121 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:09,660 The personality that Well, I'm happy to hear that. I'm just 122 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:12,750 more awake. And I can do more and I'm more focused. 123 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,020 Yeah. And you finally got a rig that makes me sound decent. 124 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:17,370 Yeah, but that's 125 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:21,480 well, you know, in there we had we had a pretty good setup. It 126 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,020 sounds okay. But this is the best one. I have to say. This is 127 00:07:25,020 --> 00:07:30,720 definitely the best one. So now we met at, I guess, what did we 128 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,400 meet John was on cranky hands. 129 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:38,340 Gents. Dan gents.com on Twitter asked the question. The real 130 00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:41,040 DeVore I can curry have a unique relationship? How did you guys 131 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,380 meet? So when did you hit it off? Right away? 132 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:48,030 I'll tell you something I found in my crap that arrived from 133 00:07:49,170 --> 00:07:56,010 from the UK I found a videotape of the CNET pilots, where we 134 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:59,550 actually first met for the very first time, although that was in 135 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,940 1993. Three or four maybe 136 00:08:03,090 --> 00:08:03,960 think was three? 137 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:10,050 Yeah. And I'm gonna get one of those VHS to DVR things to 138 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,710 transcode all this stuff. But this was when CNET did not have 139 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:17,850 a website. In fact, I registered cnet.com and said to Halsey 140 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:20,700 minor, Hey, dude, you know, I'll do your email, if you want, you 141 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:22,800 know, you might want to have a web thing that I think that 142 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,660 would be more appropriate for what you're doing here. But all 143 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:29,700 right, they paid me like 20 grand to do that pilot, which 144 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:33,360 was nice. And you were doing kind of a McLaughlin Group Type 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,120 roundtable as the pilot for that show. 146 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:39,389 Yeah, they I that's kind of interesting. Because with CNET, 147 00:08:39,389 --> 00:08:42,179 they actually went through a whole bunch of people before 148 00:08:42,179 --> 00:08:45,209 they decided they wanted me to do it. And I didn't really want 149 00:08:45,209 --> 00:08:47,279 to do it. I actually, to be honest, I never wanted to work 150 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:52,979 for CNET. But I did like the idea of watching Kevin Wendell 151 00:08:52,979 --> 00:08:56,279 at work once they brought him he was he was the guy from Fox. 152 00:08:56,669 --> 00:08:58,889 Yeah, he's a guy from somewhere. He's a Hollywood guy. 153 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,490 You'd set up the Fox network. He he was one of the driving 154 00:09:02,490 --> 00:09:04,380 programming forces behind Fox 155 00:09:04,949 --> 00:09:08,789 early. I don't remember that. Whatever the case was, he was a 156 00:09:08,789 --> 00:09:13,019 slick operator. And it was fun to watch him work. And but they 157 00:09:13,019 --> 00:09:16,469 first wanted Leo Laporte to be the McLaughlin guy. And Leo 158 00:09:16,469 --> 00:09:20,849 wanted to do it. Badly. He was always wanted that tore that 159 00:09:20,849 --> 00:09:24,359 sort of gig. And because but it's because very serious, and 160 00:09:24,359 --> 00:09:27,629 it's, you know, this and that. And but they had me do it. But 161 00:09:27,659 --> 00:09:30,119 that never got off the ground. It just wasn't going to work. 162 00:09:30,119 --> 00:09:34,109 And so then they gave me some other job being a kind of a 163 00:09:34,109 --> 00:09:38,819 clownish co host with a gene at St. John's. Oh, yeah. 164 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:42,240 Well, they offered me to move out to San Francisco and be 165 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,750 there full time. And they offered like really low salary, 166 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:48,510 but 2 million shares of stock and I declined. 167 00:09:49,290 --> 00:09:52,170 Yeah. That was an error. Well, who 168 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:53,040 knows what you know, I 169 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,710 was like, Well, yeah, no, it's a crapshoot. I did the same thing. 170 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,720 I said, How many how many shares outstanding Wow. vague, right? I 171 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,690 was like, Yeah, I got a pretty good thing here at MTV. I'm 172 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:04,080 good. 173 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:08,730 So anyway, so we met 93. Casually, casually, very 174 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:11,430 casually. But you know, we followed each other's careers a 175 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:14,520 little bit. But then I was kind of triggered by that when you 176 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,600 had your moment of richness. And I was floating around Europe, 177 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,420 and I ran into a newspaper with one of these, one of these 178 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:24,240 papers, I think it was a Dutch story somewhere. And it had a 179 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,810 picture of you and your Euro, some superstar in Holland. And 180 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:31,350 this is unbelievable. So this guy makes so much money. Yeah. 181 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:34,620 And so then you showed up in town again. And so then we just 182 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:36,180 got you just kind of forced myself I 183 00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:39,900 was it, wasn't it? A Yes. And that was nice. But wasn't it a 184 00:10:40,380 --> 00:10:42,360 wasn't on cranky geeks when we connected? 185 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:46,740 No, I think we met up first and then I put you on cranky geeks. 186 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:49,499 But where the hell was it, John? Because well, we, 187 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,210 I we did some an email exchange. And I said, Let's go have lunch 188 00:10:54,210 --> 00:10:56,940 or something. We added our first or lunch our initial the 189 00:10:56,970 --> 00:11:01,980 remeeting lunch at differing guile. And we talked about you 190 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:05,370 know, getting some getting a daily news show the tech five 191 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:08,370 thing ideas like that. And then I then we went and had a big 192 00:11:08,370 --> 00:11:14,160 meeting with Ron in the office. Yeah. You aren't cranky geeks. 193 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:14,820 After that. 194 00:11:15,270 --> 00:11:17,970 I'm trying to look now in my email, if I have something from 195 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:20,310 you from that must have been 2007. Right? 196 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Probably not. 197 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,340 How do you do that? Gmail? Do you do date? 2007? 198 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:30,720 I don't know. Anyway, that's the basically the story. And then we 199 00:11:32,370 --> 00:11:36,720 we, I don't know, within a week, I just say we just kind of 200 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:37,410 naturally got 201 00:11:37,410 --> 00:11:40,140 I really don't know, that's the answer. We really don't know how 202 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:41,280 that happened. We actually 203 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,100 get along just in some funny way. It's not really 204 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:46,290 explainable. It's like, you know, you meet somebody, and 205 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:48,570 you've all you've known them for a long time. So you know, that 206 00:11:48,570 --> 00:11:51,390 they're obviously not assassins. Of course, that may not be true. 207 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,780 But whatever the case is, you you've always had, you know, you 208 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:56,850 had an acquaintance. And then you decide that, you know, now 209 00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:59,130 you're working together. It's almost like, you know, where 210 00:11:59,130 --> 00:12:01,680 people meet on a Hollywood set, and they're hanging out a lot. 211 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,680 And then they go off their separate ways. But instead of 212 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,710 going off our separate ways, since we're both looking at me, 213 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:12,930 VO We decided to start doing a show. And that now it's 214 00:12:12,930 --> 00:12:16,050 debatable is that you know, how it got named when we started? 215 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:17,760 I think I came up with a name. 216 00:12:19,140 --> 00:12:21,030 I don't know if that's true. I think you're the one that 217 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:24,360 approved the name. But you gotta tell me it was your brain fart? 218 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:27,540 I think it was I say, well, we got you know why we got no 219 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:30,240 agenda? And then you said let's call it no agenda. That sounds 220 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,720 about right, actually. And it sounds good. Something like 221 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,260 that. And then, and then it as it evolved, we got into other 222 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:39,720 things, which are kind of the same kind of like, we don't 223 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:45,330 know, who came up with the idea. I mean, the donation thing? 224 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:45,960 Well, 225 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:49,260 before we get to that, because the show started off with a very 226 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:52,020 different format. It was in fact, I think our first show was 227 00:12:52,020 --> 00:12:56,820 on a Friday, and like a Friday afternoon, Friday morning for 228 00:12:56,820 --> 00:12:59,520 you. And we would just talk about stuff. And I would grab 229 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,100 the Financial Times. But we could also just talk about 230 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:05,100 stuff, you know, the difference between America and Europe. 231 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:08,010 Right? And it was just like a casual 232 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:11,010 conversation, just like a conversation. Yeah, and this 233 00:13:11,010 --> 00:13:16,680 was, in my opinion, I've always felt that a two guys interesting 234 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:21,180 conversation between two people is interesting to everybody. And 235 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:24,360 I've always believed I could sell conversations I have with 236 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,240 my wife. And I always felt that a good conversational show where 237 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,530 there's not a lot of rehearsal or preparation, but just guys 238 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:34,680 who just talking about stuff that they know a lot about. And 239 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,130 coincidentally, because the two of us are so extremely well 240 00:13:38,130 --> 00:13:43,080 traveled. And I mean, pretty much been everywhere, and and 241 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,320 observant because, you know, we're generally floating around 242 00:13:46,350 --> 00:13:49,590 looking at stuff. It turns out that we have enough life 243 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:53,910 experience to to have an interesting conversation. And 244 00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:55,650 we're both have slightly different backgrounds. So we 245 00:13:55,650 --> 00:13:59,010 could complement each other in ways that I thought was 246 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:01,260 interesting for those people to listen in on. 247 00:14:01,439 --> 00:14:05,819 Yeah, and from my perspective, I was looking to do a show with 248 00:14:05,819 --> 00:14:10,019 total honesty. Not in the regard of oh, let's all hold hands and 249 00:14:10,019 --> 00:14:12,839 tell each other a secret. But more like, you know, why don't 250 00:14:12,839 --> 00:14:16,049 we just say what it is and not be fake and just talk about 251 00:14:16,049 --> 00:14:19,109 stuff. And we can contradict and we can have an argument and we 252 00:14:19,109 --> 00:14:23,789 don't have to in fact, we had no no thoughts even think about 253 00:14:23,789 --> 00:14:27,629 making money doing no agenda. Yeah, we had absolutely no 254 00:14:27,629 --> 00:14:31,529 agenda. And and I was just happy that someone would listen to my 255 00:14:31,529 --> 00:14:35,039 bullshit. Like, hey, here's a guy who actually knows more than 256 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:40,949 me, because he's been around longer for sure. And, and, and 257 00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:43,649 will listen to some of the because I think I was I was 258 00:14:43,649 --> 00:14:46,739 maybe a late bloomer. I was like, saying, oh, wait a minute, 259 00:14:46,739 --> 00:14:49,019 the world kind of works a little bit differently. Because I was 260 00:14:49,019 --> 00:14:52,409 so embedded in the hits. You know, that's all I did. I played 261 00:14:52,409 --> 00:14:56,009 hits on radio on television, like, you know, I knew what what 262 00:14:56,009 --> 00:14:58,889 all the celebrities were doing and all of a sudden like, this, 263 00:14:58,889 --> 00:15:00,689 this is there's something else going went on here. 264 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,900 I think I corrupted you more than you corrupted me when it 265 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:08,640 comes to this show. Correct? I would agree. Mainly because of 266 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,030 my natural cynicism. I, you know, I took a test one, there's 267 00:15:12,030 --> 00:15:14,070 a guy who was a computer software program some years ago, 268 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:17,400 I've always found it fascinating. That was a career 269 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,220 guidance. It was almost like it was a very elaborate test to 270 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,770 computer test you to answer a million questions. It was like 271 00:15:22,770 --> 00:15:28,050 an MMPI, or Minnesota multi phase Personality Inventory that 272 00:15:28,050 --> 00:15:31,230 people take in some companies. It's actually an illegal test, 273 00:15:31,230 --> 00:15:34,080 you shouldn't be forced to take it. But it can tell whether 274 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,090 you're a psycho and all these other things. And this was the 275 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,720 determine what your what your career path should be. And I 276 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,090 took the test a couple of times, and it was the weirdest thing to 277 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:45,420 get back at the top of a career pad. This is telling you, this 278 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:48,330 is what you should go be doing. Press critic. 279 00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:54,120 Really? Yeah. That's awesome. That's really good. 280 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:58,350 I like that. So anyway, so yeah, we've got that thing. We when we 281 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:00,570 started, there's a couple of, you know, 282 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:05,790 I got like hand worker on all my tests, shoveling shit, boy, you 283 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:07,620 shouldn't be in any kind of business, 284 00:16:07,650 --> 00:16:10,290 you might be surprised that test was pretty amazing. I had other 285 00:16:10,290 --> 00:16:12,510 people taking it was just like nailing people left and right. I 286 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:15,900 wish I could, if I could find it in my archives, you can find it 287 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:20,460 I'll be producing a modern format. It'd be nice. So anyway, 288 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:26,880 we started the show with just casually and it had a it really 289 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,120 started picking up a following quickly. And people were feeding 290 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,050 back into the mechanism, encouraging the continuation of 291 00:16:34,050 --> 00:16:36,060 the show. And then somewhere along the line, this was your 292 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:39,450 idea. I'm sure of it. Because it could have been mine. You 293 00:16:39,450 --> 00:16:42,000 decided to do two shows a week? 294 00:16:43,950 --> 00:16:48,120 Yeah. I don't remember why. 295 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:50,790 And there were some reason because I think we're starting 296 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:52,740 to show we're starting to get along and get along and 297 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:54,960 we said well, why don't we Why don't we do to show actually, 298 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:59,100 that's when we made a real commitment, though. And for now 299 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:01,380 that was that was much later in the game. We made a real 300 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:04,080 commitment to do two shows. After we we said hey, you know, 301 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,490 this is real. We're building an audience. But I think we were 302 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,190 going for a good year there just on one show, probably 303 00:17:11,190 --> 00:17:14,280 one a year building an audience and we had a kind of a weird 304 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,010 audience because there were really your fans separate from 305 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:20,070 my fans and my fans who say you you should do the show by 306 00:17:20,070 --> 00:17:24,300 yourself. You should get rid of curry and bucket two to the head 307 00:17:24,300 --> 00:17:28,500 man. We're gonna be getting the same kind of commentary and it's 308 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:31,740 always made me laugh because it's like, oh, yeah, that's what 309 00:17:31,740 --> 00:17:36,270 you want. Just some guy's solid. By the way, I have never Oh 310 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:38,310 conversation no pace and flow. 311 00:17:38,399 --> 00:17:41,549 I've never received never received an email of someone 312 00:17:41,549 --> 00:17:43,259 saying you're a bit of a divorce duck ever. 313 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:48,030 I've seen I have seen the get rid of divorce meme on Twitter, 314 00:17:48,090 --> 00:17:49,650 on Twitter, and I've seen it here and now. 315 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:53,220 I've never seen it. I've never seen it nice, then. 316 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,550 Well, then your fans are less. Less crazy. Oh, yeah. Hostile. 317 00:17:59,580 --> 00:18:00,420 Okay. So, 318 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,930 at a certain point, though, I think that what what really drew 319 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:08,850 us together is we're both radio guys at heart. I think we're you 320 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:13,410 know, and I know I am. And I grew up in Radio Television was 321 00:18:13,410 --> 00:18:18,660 more like a sidetrack for me. I never felt I too tall. I'm too 322 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:21,870 lanky and too geeky. I have Tourette's there's a whole bunch 323 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:24,450 of stuff that would make me not ideal for television my head 324 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:28,470 isn't big enough to be really successful no about that. You 325 00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:31,440 got you got to have a huge not not metaphorically speaking but 326 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:35,070 physically a huge head that makes you successful on TV. 327 00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:39,210 We've already established that well, but it was our it was our 328 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,740 I think I really our mutual love of radio and the I 329 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:46,440 love radio. And the reason there's a lot of reasons I think 330 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,810 it should be explored. One is that fact that you don't have 331 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:54,780 to. It's, it's a different, it's different. I mean, radio is and 332 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:57,420 this is basically what we're doing is radio and it's a modern 333 00:18:57,420 --> 00:19:02,850 form of radio, podcasting. You don't have to get dressed, you 334 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,550 don't have to scrimp. 335 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:09,330 More than that. It's theater of the mind is what I like about 336 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:09,780 it, right. 337 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:12,600 And you can also write well, the theater of the mind part, which 338 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:16,740 is extremely valuable. I don't know I mean, my first 339 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:21,030 broadcasting training was in Ray I went to Foothill College for a 340 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:23,700 while and went on that was on the radio station. And I just 341 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:27,870 loved it. I produced a radio play. And I did a lot of radio 342 00:19:27,870 --> 00:19:30,720 was I got a third class license, which you had to have at one 343 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,980 time FCC license. I still have mine. Nobody needs them anymore. 344 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:40,590 And I've always liked and I'm very kind of a sound not I like 345 00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:43,560 good quality sound, which was always carping on the quality of 346 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:51,270 this podcast. Even when I was doing when I was doing silicon 347 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:53,340 spin at Tech TV. 348 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:56,820 Sound is always forgotten on television. Oh, 349 00:19:56,850 --> 00:20:00,240 yes. And so but as but I made a big stink about it. You because 350 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,150 it sounded so bad. And to have the sound engineers that were 351 00:20:03,150 --> 00:20:04,740 working there were I was their hero. 352 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:07,800 I know, the hero of the sound engineers, 353 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:10,080 because the sound engineers couldn't get anybody to listen 354 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,140 to the fact that they were using cheap mics and, and they weren't 355 00:20:13,140 --> 00:20:16,380 doing notching or anything, right. And so the sound, it 356 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:19,140 sounded like a cheap ass production. Now, the thing 357 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:22,740 that's interesting is that MIT did during the Negroponte era, 358 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:25,650 when they had a media lab, they had studied this to death, and 359 00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:29,160 they had double blind studies over and over again, and it kept 360 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,820 coming up. If you take a group of people and have them watch a 361 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:38,790 TV show with shitty sound, and then have them compare, and then 362 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:44,190 show another TV show with really great sound like Dolby five 363 00:20:44,190 --> 00:20:47,520 channels longer. No, it's not just that if when they do an 364 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,860 analysis, they claim the pictures better. 365 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,650 That's fantastic. That makes sense. And I'm a sound nut, 366 00:20:55,650 --> 00:20:58,110 although I've had a lot of trouble, just because of the 367 00:20:58,110 --> 00:21:02,010 technology we've been using. But now. Okay, so now it's where it 368 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:07,230 should be. I am way into creating a custom sound that 369 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:11,310 gives you something that affects the listener in other ways. By 370 00:21:11,310 --> 00:21:11,640 the way, you 371 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,730 have the record button pushed. Ooh, yes, I 372 00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:20,580 do. So you know, we have compression. I put noise gates 373 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,580 on because I don't want to hit when I when when either I'm 374 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:26,730 talking or there's, by the way, I love silence. When neither of 375 00:21:26,730 --> 00:21:30,510 us say anything, the noise gates kick in, it's completely silent. 376 00:21:30,510 --> 00:21:33,360 If I didn't have those on, then I'd hear your room when you're 377 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:37,380 out here stuff. You've run rustling of papers. And that's, 378 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:40,170 to me an important part of our sound. And I love it. Because in 379 00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:45,000 the beginning, certainly when we had a huge Skype delay, people 380 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,140 would be like, Oh, no, I keep grabbing my my iPod or my mp3 381 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:51,570 player, because I think that the thing is stopped or it's crapped 382 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:54,030 out, but then you guys talk again, and it gets people's 383 00:21:54,030 --> 00:21:55,920 attention. Silence is beautiful. 384 00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:01,800 Yeah, yeah, it does work. And we do have a moment of silence 385 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,570 every so often. But anyway, so the two of us are kind of have, 386 00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:12,690 we have amenable personalities? So we were complimentary. We're 387 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:14,550 not you know, people say, Oh, you work? Because you're the 388 00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:17,910 opposite. No, we're hardly the opposite. Not at all. We're just 389 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:22,230 complementary. We have different kinds of needs and issues, 390 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,280 perspectives, but they're not opposite. They're just 391 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:29,700 different. And it's all worked out. So we have a show that 392 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:33,780 works. Very rarely do these kinds of partnerships. Somebody 393 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:37,920 else who asked a question, let me go to this one. Who is the 394 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,280 star of the show? And of course, that's would be me. 395 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:46,860 Yeah, exactly. So right on. 396 00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:52,170 I thought I'd get that in before you gave the same line. I was 397 00:22:52,170 --> 00:22:54,840 wondering if we could actually say it at the same time, like 398 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,420 now, it'll never work on Skype. We'll never hit that. It's the 399 00:22:57,420 --> 00:22:58,140 same moment, 400 00:22:58,260 --> 00:23:00,960 though. But that would have been funny on stage. So 401 00:23:01,350 --> 00:23:04,290 yeah, in a Smothers Brothers kind of humor way. 402 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,210 There's no star of the show. Because, and there's no like 403 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:11,970 sidekick. I mean, it's not like there's a dominant character. I 404 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:14,460 mean, they've right Adam produces the show. So he picks 405 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:18,270 up the dominant side of the production because he's the one 406 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:20,520 that hits the buttons, it says in the morning, and he's the one 407 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,880 who opens the show, because he's got all that gear. But it's, 408 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:26,580 it's just happens to be what you have to do if you're producing 409 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:29,790 because if I was producing it, you know, I started the clips on 410 00:23:29,790 --> 00:23:33,030 like, he's starting to think myself, but so so and somebody 411 00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:36,900 has to produce you can't have two producers No. socket. 412 00:23:37,409 --> 00:23:42,419 With what happened. And a lot of a lot of people talk about this, 413 00:23:42,419 --> 00:23:45,479 at least I've seen it around like, well, you know, it used to 414 00:23:45,479 --> 00:23:48,929 be in fact, we used to say the show that has we opened we would 415 00:23:48,929 --> 00:23:52,379 open the show the show that has no jingles, no sound effects, no 416 00:23:52,379 --> 00:23:56,669 agenda. And then I think you because people need to know that 417 00:23:56,669 --> 00:24:00,539 John is a is the kind of guy and this I really appreciate this, 418 00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:04,259 by the way, who will see something on television or find 419 00:24:04,259 --> 00:24:07,469 a crazy documentary or something that you're generally interested 420 00:24:07,469 --> 00:24:10,379 in? And it's often I think it's stuff that you don't even 421 00:24:11,219 --> 00:24:13,859 believe in or care about yourself, but he'll burn you a 422 00:24:13,859 --> 00:24:18,119 DVD and make a nice label on it. And you know, and I'm always 423 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,029 amazed by the labels. It's always nice art and it's you 424 00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:22,529 know, it's labeled beautifully 425 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,260 that we have the expense bustin they look at it they say I'll 426 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:27,000 just bust this isn't a bootleg that's got to 427 00:24:27,659 --> 00:24:30,809 be the real deal. But that's not like movies. It's you know, it's 428 00:24:30,809 --> 00:24:35,579 documentaries, it's different shows that he's seen and you 429 00:24:35,579 --> 00:24:41,549 handed me a copy of the Family Guy with the episode weenie and 430 00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:46,499 the but and that really got the because again, we're both radio 431 00:24:46,529 --> 00:24:50,009 freaks. And we figured this would just be funny to do and it 432 00:24:50,009 --> 00:24:53,579 kind of stuck and I think that it'll be fun. That's also where 433 00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:57,989 in the morning came from, by the way. And it's such a take off on 434 00:24:57,989 --> 00:25:02,189 the morning zoo format and which we both I would say love and 435 00:25:02,189 --> 00:25:05,969 hate at the same time. Low Of course now it's just so old 436 00:25:05,969 --> 00:25:09,719 fashioned. But when you listen to this you can understand why 437 00:25:09,719 --> 00:25:14,759 radio guys get off on weenie in the butt to two minutes this oh 438 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:18,329 that's the Hulu the Hulu preroll What's your favorites anytime 439 00:25:18,329 --> 00:25:19,259 for free Hulu, 440 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:22,800 everybody it's really in the bud here live at the go hog air show 441 00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:25,740 we're all ready for the weenies sound alike contest. 442 00:25:25,770 --> 00:25:28,200 I don't know, but I don't think they can say my catchphrase 443 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,240 because they know funny. Oh, there 444 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,210 it is. And if you think you can say that just like weenie here. 445 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,200 You could win 97.1 dollars for the cool weekend ahead. 446 00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:56,010 97.1 in the morning 447 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:01,170 and welcome back. 448 00:26:01,290 --> 00:26:04,080 Excuse me. I gotta find a lost kid. Can I use your mic? 449 00:26:04,110 --> 00:26:07,830 That's what she said. Whoa, you got butt slam? 450 00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:13,350 Listen, I could really use a hand here. That's what he said. 451 00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:23,790 That's manic monkey on 97.1 Monkey. Weekends in the morning, 452 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,380 all weekend long. 453 00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:30,720 In the morning, radio. Give me that. 454 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:33,990 Stewie Griffin, will you please report to the radio booth. 455 00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:37,050 Stewie Griffin. Hey, that's quite a voice you've got there. 456 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,560 You ever think about doing radio? Well, I've listened to a 457 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,590 lot of radio. Peter and Lois leave the radio on when they go 458 00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:46,620 out. So I feel like somebody's home. Well, here's my card. Call 459 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:49,320 me if you're interested. Hey, okay, we've got our first 460 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:49,920 contestant. 461 00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:54,330 Let's see your weenies catchphrase, Dan. Oh, fine, man. 462 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,140 I think we have a wiener. And that's Dickey, the punch line 463 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:04,620 donkey on 97.1 to the punch line donkey. 464 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:17,970 On 97.1 97 465 00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:24,390 It's one of the greatest moments in Family Guy history 466 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:27,390 really is and you know, they produced all of that stuff. And 467 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:30,030 they must have had a ball because it really was like that 468 00:27:30,030 --> 00:27:33,780 in the 90s in the 80s. And the 90s. Radio was absolutely in the 469 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:40,110 morning on the content 7.10 content, all filler. And I used 470 00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:43,230 to hate it. We got to do liner cards. Here read this hit the 471 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:49,860 jingle. All right, 100.1 dollars in cash for you on Z 100 G 100 472 00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:51,210 serving the universe. 473 00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:57,660 So we kind of decided we didn't decide it just happened most of 474 00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:59,910 the show, by the way for people knowing what we're asking all 475 00:27:59,910 --> 00:28:03,810 these questions is really an evolution. Yeah, there's no we 476 00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:04,980 don't have meetings, we don't 477 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:10,980 know. We we, in fact, that's if there's a rule. We generally 478 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:13,560 agree not to talk about what we're going to talk about. 479 00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:16,290 Because we know that what'll happen is we'll start talking 480 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:19,830 about it. And then we bring it up on the show and then it 481 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:21,000 always suck. There's like 482 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,080 it's like it's been rehearsed. There's no tension there. Right. 483 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,380 And you know, so So anyway, so this evolved, but what happened 484 00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:34,530 with that, then of course, you ran into Jeff Smith. And so we 485 00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:36,930 ended up getting a bunch of these jingles and things which 486 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:38,970 some people complain about. But the fact of the matter is it 487 00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:42,600 paces the show. Well, it is a mockery of the of the other 488 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,280 model. And it but it adds kind of a nice kind of know what it 489 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,130 is the atmosphere is improved by it the in the morning thing is 490 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:54,120 used as a as a rimshot. Generally, or should be and it 491 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,350 is often. So I say something funny, which is very common on 492 00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:00,300 the show. And then he hits the 493 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,230 bar if you go off on a tangent for x. 494 00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:09,360 So we have a bunch of these things which we use. And now 495 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,830 that we had a couple of questions. 496 00:29:11,429 --> 00:29:16,379 That's an old radio trick for a segue. It's really it helps 497 00:29:16,469 --> 00:29:20,309 transition the listeners brain from one segment to the next. It 498 00:29:20,309 --> 00:29:21,899 jars you for a moment there. 499 00:29:21,929 --> 00:29:26,549 And if you listen to our last show, show 200 Adam was going 500 00:29:26,579 --> 00:29:31,169 off the deep end on some topic and he kept it was way at least 501 00:29:31,169 --> 00:29:34,289 two or three minutes overdue to stop it. And I told him to play 502 00:29:34,289 --> 00:29:37,889 the Adam Curry's pet peeve of the day jingle, which I knew 503 00:29:37,889 --> 00:29:41,219 what transition it would do would stop him in his tracks. 504 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,610 That's right. It also stops me You're right. Yeah, it works 505 00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:48,450 perfectly that way. 506 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:52,230 So the show hears from one of our listeners the show you do 507 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:55,110 today is very different from the show when you first started eg 508 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:58,980 personal anecdotes are gone. No, they're not. Audio clips and 509 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,130 jingles are now proud. Lent, originally less than an hour 510 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:05,430 week is now four hours a week and listeners are now asked to 511 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:08,670 contribute cash is the show where you want it to be, or 512 00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:11,580 you're planning more changes we did show just evolved. So we 513 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:14,940 don't plan anything all, although we do things 514 00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:17,880 individually that may or may not stick. 515 00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:22,680 In fact, if anything, we're always trying. And it's more 516 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,060 like that when I when I find something, and by the way, we'll 517 00:30:27,060 --> 00:30:29,520 get into this, but a lot of people send me stuff. That's, 518 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:33,360 that's how I get a lot of good information. And either that's 519 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,970 good, or I'll find something else that is good that that 520 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:39,390 relates to it. I'm thinking, oh, man, I'm gonna blow John away 521 00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:41,670 with this. Oh, he's gonna love this. When I play this. I can 522 00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:43,710 just hear what he's gonna say. That's what I'm thinking. 523 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:47,010 Yeah, there's that. And there's the other time that they 524 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,160 curiously though, we both tend to be on the same stories, which 525 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,830 is kind of interesting. But we had a show I can't remember is 526 00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:56,430 about six or seven shows ago where you had actually collected 527 00:30:56,430 --> 00:30:59,760 the clips that were all complimentary to my Yeah, yeah, 528 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040 discussion. And it was like, because I didn't get some of 529 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920 these clips that I wanted. You had them. And I actually thought 530 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,920 that was the most unbelievable show we've ever done. Because it 531 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,350 it was it looked rigged. 532 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:14,730 Yeah, it really flowed very nicely. And that happens from 533 00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:18,780 time to time. But yeah, I don't know I'm on board with the 534 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:21,960 evolution, we there's nothing, there's absolutely nothing is 535 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,040 planned. I have my own things. John has his things. Sometimes 536 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:30,000 we might send each other a link from time to time. And even then 537 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400 usually the link doesn't get discussed, because I always saw 538 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,140 Well, whatever you know, it's over. But we have a couple of 539 00:31:37,140 --> 00:31:40,920 common interests of things that are funny, that we think are 540 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,430 funny, usually they have to do with mainstream media. I think 541 00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:47,010 that's that's the most fun is when we when we rag on 542 00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:50,220 mainstream media and pull it apart and simultaneously open 543 00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:53,370 people's eyes as to what's really going on in on 544 00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:53,970 television, 545 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,520 you know, that may have been triggered by the weenie in the 546 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,750 bud episode, probably the Family Guy because once we start once 547 00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:04,800 we can start mocking that model, we started looking at the media 548 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,790 bitching about it generally, on a higher plane, I believe than 549 00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:13,740 the people at Fox have ever thought of. And we started we 550 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:15,990 realized that it was actually interested, we were entertaining 551 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:18,390 ourselves. And we knew it was very valuable information. And 552 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,510 we had the time. It's not like anyone can't do this. But most 553 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:25,350 people work for a living. If you're to have a job at Goldman 554 00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:29,130 Sachs, and you're there till, you know, seven at night, and 555 00:32:29,130 --> 00:32:31,440 you have to get in early, whatever. And then you have to 556 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,900 drink all day, which seems to be what the job is about. 557 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,640 strippers, you don't want strippers, you don't have time 558 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,450 to go and start digging around these stories to find the one 559 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:45,360 you know the missing element or the the kind of the crazy 560 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,750 connection, you just haven't got time to do it. And then you 561 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:51,120 know, the fact that the mainstream media doesn't do it 562 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,660 and they don't, is just makes you wonder. 563 00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:59,820 So I will say that there were two seminal moments when we had 564 00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:04,710 our equivalent of a meeting. And the one is when we spoke on the 565 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:07,650 phone said, You know what, this thing is real. This is really 566 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,700 catching on, let's do two shows a week that I do remember, and 567 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:13,830 that was like, Well, you know, something's happening here. This 568 00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:18,870 is really special, we should just do it. And then I even 569 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:21,600 recall you saying okay, I've got a switch this around. We've got 570 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,360 cranky geeks on Wednesday, I mean, this is when we started to 571 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:27,960 really integrate the show into our daily schedule into our 572 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,180 lives, because actual work does go into it. I don't know about 573 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:39,960 you, but I every single day, here's my system, I have labels 574 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,900 set up in my email like Gmail labels, and whenever I come 575 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:45,720 across something that I think is interesting, or that someone 576 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,940 sends me, or that I find, I'll email it and tag it with that 577 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:56,400 label. So I have a label now for show 201 And then the night 578 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,050 before the show. That is if I haven't found anything that that 579 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:04,380 showed up that I really needed to dig into which of course can 580 00:34:04,380 --> 00:34:09,810 take hours of extra work and investigation, then you know, I 581 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:14,310 sit down and I start to start to assemble everything into a huge 582 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:17,100 outline of stuff and and then I have to read everything you 583 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:20,160 know, look at all the YouTube clips. And in the meantime, 584 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,600 whenever I can, without destroying my relationship I'm 585 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:30,630 I'm watching C span C span one, two and three. I'll skim by HLN 586 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:35,160 CNN CNBC, MSNBC just to see what they're doing. See if I find 587 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,220 anything funny, I find myself watching less of Fox these days. 588 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:44,670 It's just too annoying for me. But C span I find to be just, I 589 00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:49,140 love it so much it to me that is it is actual entertainment. And 590 00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,480 of course C span has done a great job with their video 591 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,200 library. Because all you have to do is remember a line that 592 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,470 someone said which is typically what I'm looking for, you go to 593 00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:02,010 the archive you type In search transcripts, it'll search the 594 00:35:02,010 --> 00:35:04,530 transcripts and come up with that actual piece of video and 595 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:08,400 cue the video to the spot where the line is. I mean, it's 596 00:35:08,430 --> 00:35:09,660 amazing what they've done, 597 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:11,550 there is a very valuable resource. And you know, the 598 00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:14,550 thing is on the weekend, they have this what I really like, I 599 00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:17,010 mean, I like the regular C span, but on the weekend that this 600 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:21,810 book TV, yeah, they bring these various art writers in and many 601 00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:24,390 of them have written crazy books in one way or the other right 602 00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:27,990 wing, left wing everything. And they sit them down with a guy 603 00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:30,240 who really is a good conversationalist, or sometimes 604 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,690 somebody that's in their same field of study. And they talk to 605 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:37,710 him for an hour or more, usually an hour, and it's like a whole 606 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:40,620 hour, and it's extremely basically it's like books on 607 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:44,220 tape. I mean, you get the whole, pretty much the perspective 608 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:46,320 you're looking for you find everything out from this person. 609 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,650 They it's just amazing. It's a it's much better than any talk 610 00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:52,500 show, Charlie Rose or any of these commercials. Yeah, what's 611 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,800 tonight, what's nice about that is I know, I kind of know what 612 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,000 you're watching. So I know that I don't have to, and we, I must 613 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,670 say from time to time it happens every other week, probably 614 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:06,720 you'll either you'll send me sometimes I send you an SMS or a 615 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,590 text message saying, dude, C span three now. Right? And then 616 00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:12,930 we'll both sit down and watch something at the same time. This 617 00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:15,780 has happened to me that I've been in the car, and I get like 618 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:19,170 a C span to now like, Oh, crap, but I luckily have the C span 619 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,720 iPhone app, and I'll listen to the audio. It's like It's 620 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,050 sickening. We're like, we're like the guys from the Muppets. 621 00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:27,450 It's a little crazy. Yeah, it is. 622 00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:29,520 But it's not as though you know. And the funny thing is, I don't 623 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,830 think when we first began to show that we're gonna get so 624 00:36:31,830 --> 00:36:35,370 heavily embedded into current events to this extreme, and like 625 00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:38,220 somebody says, you know, your show was about you guys going 626 00:36:38,220 --> 00:36:41,490 out to dinner. And you know, and it just Yeah, it was a lot of 627 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:43,950 moments, it was still discussed wine and food occasion when it 628 00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:46,680 comes up. And but we don't, instead of sitting around 629 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,730 talking about our meal, that people can live vicariously 630 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:55,110 through our, you know, steaks and, and Cabernet, it didn't, 631 00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:57,930 that pretty much kind of just went by the wayside because it 632 00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:00,750 wasn't. I don't know if 633 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,920 the audience also drove that. And the only way to measure that 634 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,430 is by feedback that you get and the growth of the audience. And 635 00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:11,460 it was pretty clear what people were interested in, and they 636 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:15,300 were interested in on our take of current events. We're 637 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,140 interested in our unveiling, if you will, and this is purely 638 00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:23,010 because of our experience, our unveiling of the bullshit and 639 00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:28,740 the, I would say, the deception of mainstream media. And it's n. 640 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,860 And I think it's helped a lot of people see things in a different 641 00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:34,890 light. And that's what the audience wants. And you know, 642 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,290 John, you and I are both in the audience business at the end of 643 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:37,800 the day. 644 00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:41,190 And yeah, and in fact, it is we you can tell, by the way people 645 00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:44,310 send you notes, I mean, yeah, every once in a while some buddy 646 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:47,190 that was there from the original show, and they kind of liked the 647 00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:49,320 fact that we have a wine tip once in a while, which I can 648 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,040 still do. Or there's some observation we made about the 649 00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:56,940 trends and food. That's fine, which, which is now different 650 00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,880 than me complaining on the earlier show, The Show 200, 651 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,140 about the raw milk of issues. That's kind of a foodie thing. 652 00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:07,260 But the point is, is that the people that really got jacked 653 00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:10,560 up, and the ones are pretty much financing the show because they 654 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,550 send in big contributions and say, Wow, we like the way you 655 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:17,010 deconstruct these stories, the way you tear them apart. The way 656 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:22,320 you show us. Me is a word way you show me that this that I'm 657 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,440 being led astray people, it's very valuable for people to have 658 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,710 some sense of understanding of what they're being bombarded 659 00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:29,070 with. 660 00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:32,970 So when did we start asking for donations? 661 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:44,160 That began some time in 2009, I believe we semi seriously may 662 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,970 have done something in late 2008. And as always, I can say 663 00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:50,790 this because I can look at the Pay Pal accounts since we did it 664 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,040 as a Pay Pal thing and we did it. At the beginning, I think 665 00:38:56,070 --> 00:39:01,710 with trepidation. Not complete trepidation. But I think you may 666 00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:03,930 have had a little more naive, because I've always felt there 667 00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:11,430 was a model of direct support. And I was thinking about this. I 668 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:13,290 kept to keep thinking of different arguments because you 669 00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:17,910 know, the ones that do it the best public broadcasting. And 670 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,150 you're right. That's what it was. We were talking about that. 671 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:24,510 And then we were talking about PBS. And I said, Why Why did 672 00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:30,000 those dickheads who are clearly shills not all and all the time, 673 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,960 but why did they get away with this? And why do people support 674 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,950 that? It appears that we have a large number of people who like 675 00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:41,190 us the same way they either currently do or used to like 676 00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:42,300 Public Broadcasting? 677 00:39:42,629 --> 00:39:46,529 Right and they ban public broadcasting also has the the 678 00:39:46,529 --> 00:39:49,319 issue with the fact that they have commercials and we pick you 679 00:39:49,319 --> 00:39:51,839 know, we really played up a couple of clips that we 680 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:56,069 developed. We found about you know, the admitting that there. 681 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,810 Let's play that one because we can't play that enough. This was 682 00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:08,130 was the president of PBS NPR was the NPR. Yes. NPR, being asked 683 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:12,480 about underwriters. Yeah. About their underwriters and how the 684 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,880 state of affairs and here was her answer. Okay, moving 685 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,810 on to money. How are NPRs corporate underwriting revenues 686 00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:22,200 holding up in the recession? And what about foundation grants 687 00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:29,190 to different stories? Underwriting is underwriting is 688 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:32,580 is down, it's down for everybody. I mean, this is this 689 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:35,970 is this is the area that is most down for us is in is in 690 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:39,240 sponsorship, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever 691 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:39,660 you want. 692 00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:42,900 Right, call it whatever you want. And then I think we 693 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,780 started to open people's eyes. This is kind of the way it went, 694 00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:48,780 we start to open people's eyes about how it really worked. And 695 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,270 people like wow, you know, Monsanto sponsors, this Archer 696 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:53,640 Daniels Midland sponsors that and we're like, Well, okay, so 697 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,740 how about the objective reporting about those companies? 698 00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:59,910 Well, that doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot of it. And I think 699 00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:02,670 a lot of people, this is maybe how it really started, John, and 700 00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:05,760 I'm just vague on it. But is people start to send us like 701 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,400 $100 and say, Well, this is what I would have normally spent on 702 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:12,600 PBS, the national treasure. I want to spend it on you. And I 703 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,780 think that's where we said, oh, wait a minute. There's something 704 00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:16,170 here? 705 00:41:16,919 --> 00:41:20,069 Well, we definitely had again, this is what this is the problem 706 00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:23,399 with answering questions like this. We don't really brain 707 00:41:23,399 --> 00:41:27,959 dead. Yeah, we're idiots. No, this an evolutionary show. And 708 00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:31,649 like with anything in evolution, just the model, it's very 709 00:41:31,649 --> 00:41:34,769 difficult to put your finger on a spot, I mean, I can we can do 710 00:41:34,769 --> 00:41:38,369 the weenie in the bend the butt spot, and then that has some 711 00:41:38,369 --> 00:41:41,369 influence. And we can point right to it. But the rest of it 712 00:41:41,369 --> 00:41:45,149 is always vague because it just kind of evolved. It we were 713 00:41:45,149 --> 00:41:47,819 actually very, you know, being an open source show, which is 714 00:41:47,819 --> 00:41:51,749 another idea that we decided to go with. In other words, we 715 00:41:51,749 --> 00:41:55,979 don't care if you steal the show. I actually 716 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,760 do remember I was in New York with Mickey and it was winter, 717 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:05,610 it must have been winter 2009. And I remember I called you, and 718 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:09,450 I said, you know, hey, this this model that we've been kind of, 719 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:12,480 well, not really working on, but that has evolved. It seems to be 720 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,540 working, we should really go for this, we should really try and 721 00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:18,570 and I think at that point, I said, Boy, I would love to do 722 00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:21,780 this full time, I would love to do nothing else. But this, I 723 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:23,610 enjoy it so much. Well, 724 00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:29,220 well, the model that I was I remember, I was always for it 725 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:32,910 from the get go. Because I've always admired the model itself, 726 00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:36,150 I always admire the fact that you can get if you get give 727 00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:40,530 people what essentially you're doing it's like the Max Headroom 728 00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:42,750 thing where they had the direct numbers, you know, the guy was 729 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,450 the show was going downhill, the numbers would go down, and you 730 00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:48,690 can see it in real time, you can see if we're doing the right 731 00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:53,490 thing, if we're doing a good job directly, it's not it's value 732 00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:56,790 for value, you can't go off the deep end. And we can't turn the 733 00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:00,750 show into like an analysis of the 60s music. And that's all we 734 00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:03,720 talk about for two hours and expect to get any money from 735 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,440 anyone. So we're only doing it now at the same time, we don't 736 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,430 obviously don't want to be pushed around by the audience, 737 00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:16,260 we have to lead them as, as opposed to just doing whatever 738 00:43:16,260 --> 00:43:19,050 they want. So you have to have some leaders that this is like a 739 00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:22,560 company that you know, you you don't focus group everything. 740 00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:25,710 Focus grouping takes you, it shows you what they used to 741 00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:28,080 like, but if you want to move the show in new directions, or 742 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,960 tried different things, you actually have to experiment with 743 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,450 it. But you will get that feedback, you're gonna get a 744 00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:37,140 push backs. And now you know, this sucks. Don't do that again. 745 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:41,430 And you know, and then the donations go way down. So it's 746 00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:46,020 an interesting tightrope walk, but it's direct support from the 747 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:49,050 listeners. And, and people have come up with all kinds of 748 00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:53,730 different complaints about it. You know, you know, why do we 749 00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:59,040 Why do I have to spend $100 Because I go see a movie for 50 750 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,290 bucks, and they put a lot of money into making those movies 751 00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:03,780 and you guys don't put any money into making this show. And they 752 00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:07,950 this is kind of weird kind of complaints about production 753 00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:10,770 costs. I've been getting every once in a while. And I might, 754 00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:13,470 I've never had a real good retort for it. Except Well, it's 755 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:15,630 you know, it's different. Like you're paying for books on tape 756 00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:18,030 is like a book. We're really competing with books on tape, 757 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,600 we're not competing with avatar. And then I started thinking, 758 00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:25,320 we're also competing with radio, but you know, radio, you get 22 759 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,190 minutes an hour of action? Well, less radio is terrible. 17 760 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:32,460 minutes of programming and 13 minutes of commercials, you 761 00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:33,750 know, make your choice. 762 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,750 Right? And then how much is your time worth? So I've used that 763 00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:38,940 argument, but then I also find another one, which I really 764 00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:42,360 haven't exploited on the show. But you know, because people 765 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,370 didn't it's production. Well, it costs a lot of money to make a 766 00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:49,170 movie. What about a novel novels are one of the first in that one 767 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:52,890 of the first businesses that are directly user supported. Good 768 00:44:52,890 --> 00:44:57,060 point, you buy a book. Good point, and you read the book and 769 00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:58,800 you've you know, you've already paid your money although of 770 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,800 course, unlike our show, of the book you pay in advance for the 771 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,990 book, and you pay in advance for the, for the avatar movie you 772 00:45:06,990 --> 00:45:09,210 pay in advance for a lot of these things. We don't do that 773 00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:12,240 we're more of the church model where you, you know, if you 774 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,160 don't like the sermon, you don't have to put anything in the 775 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,670 coffers. But it's the same thing. Your books are user 776 00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:20,790 supported. And when there's no ads in a book, 777 00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:24,150 no and what and once you get over the personal hurdle coming 778 00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:29,730 from mainstream, whereby the way we hate commercials, I've always 779 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:30,540 hated commercials. 780 00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:32,430 I hate that's what the DVR is such a 781 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:36,090 godsend. No, but I mean, just even as a creative as a creator 782 00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:39,090 of content, or like, Oh, I got it. I got a hit the commercial 783 00:45:39,090 --> 00:45:40,980 break. I gotta wait for the commercial. Yeah. 784 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,830 Terribly. You got us interrupt your flow. I watched one of 785 00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:46,890 these shows anyone listening to this on Fox or in places and 786 00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:49,470 they get somebody in a really heated debate. But they're on a 787 00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:50,400 hard break? 788 00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:55,980 Yeah. I've seen this with Tom Brokaw and the president. And 789 00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,590 they got some some guys screaming in his ear counting 790 00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:00,930 down to commercial. And the President's actually just saying 791 00:46:00,930 --> 00:46:05,160 something really interesting. It's annoying. It's very, very 792 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,600 annoying as a creator to go through that. But then it was 793 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,460 kind of weird. At least for me, it was, you know, you feel 794 00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:18,720 embarrassed to ask people for money. And there is a 795 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:23,550 psychological hurdle. And but once you're over that, got over 796 00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:25,590 it pretty quickly. Yeah, it's easy sailing. You know, it's 797 00:46:25,590 --> 00:46:26,250 like, Hey, 798 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:31,200 I had I had some pushback from the family. It's like an I won't 799 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,950 say who, but they know who they are. Yeah. So how can you bring 800 00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:38,340 yourself to begging for money for this? How can you do that 801 00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:41,310 it's beneath you? Can't you get some advertisers? I don't want 802 00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:43,920 any advertisers. If I can get money directly from the 803 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,170 listeners? I mean, why would I want that product. It just ruins 804 00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:51,870 the product. I mean, there's nobody and the thing is the most 805 00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:54,660 of the people have not, we've taken it to one of the reasons 806 00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:58,350 that we do this show. And we do this the money asking for money 807 00:46:58,350 --> 00:47:01,290 and support donations, is because whatever you want to 808 00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:07,710 call it, is because it gets us closer to the audience was 809 00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:10,560 actually a good close connection, you know, you know 810 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,880 what you're getting for your money. At some point, it becomes 811 00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:18,810 a, it just, it just makes you feel more honest. 812 00:47:19,050 --> 00:47:21,600 And there's another thing we did, which I know was my 813 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,770 initiative, and I think it helped us in a number of ways is 814 00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:30,030 we decided to stream it live when we do the show. And that 815 00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,300 did a number of things. One it gave at least me, I appreciate 816 00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:37,020 the instant feedback loop of the chat room. Now. I can't watch it 817 00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:41,220 all the time. But sometimes a punch line will come through and 818 00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:44,280 they're always on a 25 second delay. So it's interesting how 819 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,040 that works. But a punch line will come through or someone 820 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,750 might drop a link in there. But I personally, even even if I 821 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:53,880 didn't have the chat room, just knowing that people are 822 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,630 listening live at that moment gives me an energy that I've 823 00:47:57,630 --> 00:48:01,110 always loved doing things live, I'm not a big fan of recording. 824 00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:04,380 If I'm if I have to record something, it's got to be live 825 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:07,320 to tape. Like I do daily source code like you do cranky geeks, 826 00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:11,490 all of that stream live as well. Now, I just want to live live 827 00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:14,640 live because then you can leave all the warts in there and all 828 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,130 the all the crazy shit and actually makes it more 829 00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:21,540 interesting when it's not highly produced. And it also forces us 830 00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:24,990 to kind you know, I think before we were doing it live, it's 831 00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:27,870 like, hey, what time should we do the show? Well, I got this. I 832 00:48:27,870 --> 00:48:32,070 got that. Now. It's like, there's my schedule is Thursday 833 00:48:32,070 --> 00:48:38,130 morning. I get up, I get up same 630 I get up. And from then on 834 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,490 out. It's no agenda Sunday morning, 630. I get up from then 835 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:42,630 on. It's no agenda. I 836 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:44,700 know I have the same thing he said. But occasionally we've had 837 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,460 to move the show to Wednesday night. It hasn't. We haven't had 838 00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:49,770 that in a long time. But we're gonna have it next month because 839 00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:53,280 I have a travel thing that's interrupting both shows. Which 840 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,040 brings me to a wait, let me finish one more thing about the 841 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,750 donations. One of the things that when we went into the 842 00:49:00,750 --> 00:49:05,280 donation thing we started asking for for money, direct support 843 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,150 from the listeners. This has never really been I've been 844 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:12,450 figuring this out. Because it's a form of marketing. It's that 845 00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:15,390 interests me but one of the things that I that people say 846 00:49:15,390 --> 00:49:17,310 wow, you can't me yeah, how are you? I'm sure you're starving to 847 00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:20,130 death. And you can't do it. Once you get an advertiser. They 848 00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:24,960 always say no one except us. And I believe me, I haven't seen 849 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,750 anything close and I there may be some religious programming 850 00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:30,660 that I'm not aware of. But nobody doing podcasting, 851 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,040 professional level, good quality podcasting, as we're doing has 852 00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:40,410 taken it serious. Yeah, we are seriously you know, we have 853 00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:43,290 programs we can't with the night thing. We've got a different 854 00:49:43,290 --> 00:49:43,860 kinds of we 855 00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:47,940 don't call it a tip jar. We don't work for tips. 856 00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:51,690 Yeah, that's yeah, no, we do this. We're seriously doing this 857 00:49:51,690 --> 00:49:54,390 and it's like take it or leave it. This is the model we're 858 00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:57,630 working with. It's gonna be a lot better the product you're 859 00:49:57,630 --> 00:50:00,180 gonna get a lot better if you forget anything out of it. You 860 00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:03,120 get something out of it, you know, contribute. I mean, just 861 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,740 the way you were, this is new. 862 00:50:07,259 --> 00:50:10,709 Do you feel the show serves as more than just a source of 863 00:50:10,709 --> 00:50:13,739 entertainment? If yes, what do you hope to accomplish? Well, 864 00:50:13,739 --> 00:50:19,499 first of all, let me say, from my perspective, I absolutely see 865 00:50:19,499 --> 00:50:23,549 this as a form of entertainment. I hope everyone is entertained 866 00:50:23,549 --> 00:50:26,579 by our show, they have to if you're not entertained, we have 867 00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:30,299 blown it. You have there has to be a moment where an 868 00:50:30,299 --> 00:50:33,329 entertainment comes in, in different ways. It can be funny, 869 00:50:33,329 --> 00:50:36,629 it can be dramatic, it can be sad, it can be frightening, 870 00:50:36,629 --> 00:50:39,749 whatever emotion button we're hitting, it has to be 871 00:50:39,749 --> 00:50:43,679 entertainment. Otherwise, why Listen, number just be boring. 872 00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:46,320 I remember somebody sent us a link. So well, there's a couple 873 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,840 people that do a show like yours. And they send us a link 874 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,290 to somebody show that was very much like ours, they 875 00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:55,800 deconstructed the news a bit. They tended to not to have our 876 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,350 perspectives, but they you know, they did a fairly decent job. 877 00:50:58,380 --> 00:51:03,450 And it was so dull. They had no it was just like this academic 878 00:51:03,450 --> 00:51:07,620 Drew, you can't get you know, it's just the modern audience is 879 00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:10,680 the modern audience. And and no matter how intellectual you 880 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,550 might think you are, you will be better served by someone who 881 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:19,110 feed you information in a way that keeps your attention. And 882 00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:21,180 to keep your attention. You have to have an element of 883 00:51:21,180 --> 00:51:23,640 entertainment. Our personalities, generally 884 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,780 speaking, I think, are, are are the entertainment. 885 00:51:28,709 --> 00:51:32,069 Also, and I've only had this one I humor? Of course, yes. 886 00:51:32,189 --> 00:51:36,209 Obviously. I've only had this one other time in my career, the 887 00:51:36,209 --> 00:51:39,629 sometimes you just find these magical combinations. And it's 888 00:51:39,629 --> 00:51:42,539 not by design, you can't train for it, you can't go to school 889 00:51:42,539 --> 00:51:46,109 for it. It just happens. And you have these combos that just 890 00:51:46,109 --> 00:51:49,199 work. And this is one of those that just work. In fact, my 891 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,779 biggest fear now. And I know what yours is, John, but my 892 00:51:51,779 --> 00:51:54,539 biggest fear is you're going to roll over and die one day and 893 00:51:55,289 --> 00:51:57,179 the show will be over. And I know you're in 894 00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:57,810 us at least 895 00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:01,469 you're afraid I'm gonna go crazy and leave Mickey and go off the 896 00:52:01,469 --> 00:52:02,849 deep end. I mean, I know what you're 897 00:52:02,969 --> 00:52:07,589 thinking. Yeah, I think that can happen any minute. Our pledge 898 00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:11,699 asks on Twitter, Mr. Devaraj, your campaign seems to have the 899 00:52:11,699 --> 00:52:14,099 momentum of a runaway freight train. 900 00:52:14,130 --> 00:52:15,750 Hey, there's the meme. 901 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:20,550 Why are you so popular? I think we answered that question just 902 00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:25,650 now. Also, the no agenda chat folks wanted to moderate should 903 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:27,630 be invited. They've donated a lot of their time when they're 904 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:30,480 invited to listen to the show, and we're done with it. We next 905 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,100 time, maybe we can do something more for them. 906 00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:35,520 This show is the first one a long time that we're not 907 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,150 streaming live. But also this is a different type of show. We're 908 00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:41,850 just kind of. So let's answer the second part of that 909 00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:45,300 question, though. What do you hope to accomplish? What do you 910 00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,070 hope to accomplish John with this show? 911 00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:51,120 I think at some point, and this is going to be this sounds 912 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,410 really this is not going to sound good. Because that because 913 00:52:55,410 --> 00:53:00,030 it makes you sad. There's a kind of a you'll you'll see what I 914 00:53:00,030 --> 00:53:04,890 eat cake. No, no, I think that we I think, honestly believe 915 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:10,170 that we're doing a serious public service to bring people 916 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,570 generally peep people that are listening to the show. I've 917 00:53:12,570 --> 00:53:14,910 always believed this with even when I'm a writer, people always 918 00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:17,670 say, Well, what are you what? When I'm writing it like in PC 919 00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:20,880 Magazine, when I was writing all those years and inside track, I 920 00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:23,640 always had a vision of what what was I trying to accomplish and 921 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,160 what I was trying to accomplish, because I knew it would get me 922 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,220 more readers a bit busy for selfish reason. By the way, I 923 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:32,370 knew it to get me more readers. My concept was if I could if 924 00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:36,630 somebody read my column, and they're working in a cubicle, 925 00:53:37,050 --> 00:53:40,920 and Mike, my column was designed to give them an edge over the 926 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,150 guy in the other cubicle who wasn't reading my column. And 927 00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:48,210 I've always believed that that this is your you know, the value 928 00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:50,850 proposition. It's a phrase I hate. But it was one of the 929 00:53:50,850 --> 00:53:53,100 things I've always it's always in the back of my mind. I'm 930 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:57,270 trying to give people some edge over the people who aren't 931 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:59,130 paying attention to me. Oh, no. 932 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,300 This is basically we want you the audience to be able to get 933 00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:06,030 laid because you sound smarter listening to us. 934 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:08,820 Exactly. 935 00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:10,290 I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that 936 00:54:10,290 --> 00:54:13,410 it or a job or a promotion? anything 937 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,650 it can enrich your life because you had that one little bit of 938 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:19,800 information that someone went, Oh, like I said something 939 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,370 interesting. She has an interesting take on stuff that 940 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:30,030 and for me, it's that maybe it's just that this is for you know, 941 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:32,850 I'll tell you what it is. This is I think I was born to do 942 00:54:32,850 --> 00:54:36,240 this. I think everyone was born to do something and it took me a 943 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,990 long time with a lot of detours and I've been counting down the 944 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:44,610 hits. And I've you know, I've pretended to run companies with 945 00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:49,260 varying degrees of success but but basically riding off of fame 946 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:53,550 and fortune, which in itself is interesting to have a 947 00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:58,230 perspective from from that angle. But this I love this. I 948 00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:01,680 so love it. People say Man, you work really hard. You do a lot. 949 00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:04,470 We have house guests and they'll be like, Oh, my God Adams always 950 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:07,650 on our thing. And he's editing and he's recording stuff and I 951 00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:10,560 love it. And it's not it doesn't even feel like work. I love 952 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,240 this. I love what we do. I love what I do. But and that's also 953 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,850 completely selfish. But to get your late 954 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,020 pay no, no good actually good. works generally are selfish at 955 00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:25,380 some level. Because you you know, if you think you're 956 00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:27,960 helping somebody, sometimes it's selfish because you get a good 957 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,750 feeling from it. And that's a selfish thing. Although it 958 00:55:30,750 --> 00:55:33,330 wouldn't be defined as such by anybody in their right mind. 959 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:36,090 So let's talk about the open source model for just the way 960 00:55:36,090 --> 00:55:36,660 before we do 961 00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:38,820 that, since you brought kinda brought it up. I want to bring 962 00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:41,460 in Simon Smith's question from Twitter, which says when we 963 00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:44,490 offer relationship advice on no agenda, my wife doesn't react 964 00:55:44,490 --> 00:55:46,620 well to the hookers and blow angle. 965 00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:49,590 Really? She should try it. 966 00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,910 What does that mean? I don't know some people just 967 00:55:54,930 --> 00:56:00,330 we do get. I here's a certain thing. Two things I hear. One is 968 00:56:00,930 --> 00:56:04,140 people don't like the hookers and blow because they put some 969 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:09,840 people off. Okay. That's just who we are. I guess. And we find 970 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,920 it amusing. You know, I don't think, John, I've never done 971 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,760 blow. And I certainly have never done the combination of hookers 972 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,230 and blow at the same time. 973 00:56:20,129 --> 00:56:23,369 So, so you admit to doing hookers? Yeah, absolutely. 974 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:24,990 You're like you've never done hookers. 975 00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:29,790 And I don't discuss these things in public. Or was this on? By 976 00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:35,610 the way the hookers situation is a cycle and the 30s of the 70s 977 00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:38,760 Big Lots of hookers and so we're gonna get we're going into a new 978 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,050 cycle of hookers in you probably starting around 2012 979 00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:46,590 That's why I am not against hookers. I think that there's a 980 00:56:46,590 --> 00:56:51,390 lot of bad stuff that happens in the sex industry. But if you 981 00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:55,440 know there's a lot of women who support their children and and 982 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,170 themselves and if that's what they want to do, and it can be 983 00:56:58,170 --> 00:57:00,840 done in a safe manner power to you I grew up in Amsterdam. I 984 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,770 saw it working quite well. Thank you. What's the problem is when 985 00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:08,640 it gets driven underground. That's a whole separate show. 986 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,650 So now what was your right now What was your the 987 00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:14,790 second one? People say? Well, I tried to help people listen to 988 00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:17,400 the show, but then they hear the opening and the whole in the 989 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,690 morning thing. I think it's some BS, top 40 You know, weenie in 990 00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:23,130 the butt show and then they don't listen. 991 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,150 And I don't know what we can do about that nothing 992 00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:30,120 but I actually like it because you have to once you get over 993 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,880 that hump, then then you can get kind of sucked in. So no, that's 994 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,370 also a mask that's probably important to you imagine like 995 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:43,620 some meeting going on at the NSA or the CIA and the like, we've 996 00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:46,020 got to get rid of these guys hear bad things about that 997 00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,930 Korean War Atlas, listen to the show. And they hear this whole 998 00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:52,140 in the morning bit. And like wow, that can't be anything. 999 00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:56,550 Definitely puts like puts people or maybe 1000 00:57:56,550 --> 00:58:00,000 Echelon you know, Echelon is sniffing ratio and the like, oh, 1001 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:00,180 this 1002 00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:03,870 just what you said the guy goes into a meeting says these guys 1003 00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:07,410 are they're subversive these two guys and the guys is really well 1004 00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:09,360 let me hear what let me hear the show. And then they start 1005 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:14,760 playing it with that opening that Greg Levin Buzzkill. And 1006 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,720 the guy says, Get the hell out of my office you practice 1007 00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:25,350 by the way that is now that you mentioned it. I purposely love 1008 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,140 and I don't know who came up with the moniker but I love 1009 00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:30,510 being called the crackpot because it is the ultimate 1010 00:58:30,510 --> 00:58:34,500 shield. The ultimate because some of the stuff we say and I 1011 00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:37,830 think we get pretty close to the truth and a lot of issues. I 1012 00:58:37,830 --> 00:58:40,470 would rather people say oh, he's just a conspiracy theorist. He's 1013 00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:43,680 just a crackpot. Because that will save me from getting 1014 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,310 killed. 1015 00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:46,740 We've talked about 1016 00:58:46,980 --> 00:58:50,640 Yeah, excellent. I think it's a good theory and it's it's a 1017 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,550 likeable theory but the you know, we shot to track down the 1018 00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:58,200 guy who coin crackpot and buzzkill it was an email I got 1019 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,900 and we mentioned on the next show we mentioned it and you 1020 00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,570 thought it was great to be called the crackpot Yeah, I love 1021 00:59:03,570 --> 00:59:06,600 and so then we our artwork started to have a crackpot and 1022 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,810 buzzkill put on it. So we did just reiterated the whole thing 1023 00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:13,919 we should. So now please, let's move into that open source 1024 00:59:13,919 --> 00:59:17,249 nature of the show. So two amazing things which are a part 1025 00:59:17,249 --> 00:59:21,149 of the model, a part of the openness and the and the freedom 1026 00:59:21,149 --> 00:59:24,239 and the and the support of through donations is we don't 1027 00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:28,199 own anything. We don't well, I mean, I guess technically if you 1028 00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,319 really looked at it, we do have a microphone. Yeah. But the show 1029 00:59:31,319 --> 00:59:36,299 is whatever it is, and we have people cutting this up splicing 1030 00:59:36,299 --> 00:59:42,539 it putting it into all kinds of making rants, ringtones making 1031 00:59:42,539 --> 00:59:46,199 trans music out of it, but we also have people who who create 1032 00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:49,379 things so a lot of our jingles by the way we could use a lot 1033 00:59:49,379 --> 00:59:51,719 more and we'd love them but we are very critical. We don't just 1034 00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,149 use everything people send in a lot of people send in stuff that 1035 00:59:54,149 --> 01:00:01,229 we just feel is not good enough. We have our At work, and we have 1036 01:00:01,229 --> 01:00:05,849 two main artists, sir Randy Asher and Sir Paul T. And they, 1037 01:00:06,089 --> 01:00:09,659 you know, these guys have jobs, they do, what, who knows what 1038 01:00:09,659 --> 01:00:15,209 they do. And they they spend their time they create artwork 1039 01:00:15,209 --> 01:00:17,489 for us for almost every single show now there's no agenda 1040 01:00:17,489 --> 01:00:20,489 art.com where people can drop art. And we've used the art from 1041 01:00:20,489 --> 01:00:24,329 different artists, if anything we add. So after every show, 1042 01:00:24,329 --> 01:00:26,909 people should know we have a discussion. So the first thing 1043 01:00:26,909 --> 01:00:31,079 we say is what do we think of the show? And there's been a 1044 01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,419 couple of times we said, Well, that sucked. And we're pretty 1045 01:00:33,419 --> 01:00:35,549 brutal with each other. Although John never agrees with my 1046 01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:38,399 criticism of them. If I say, Well, you sucked on that. It's 1047 01:00:38,399 --> 01:00:42,629 like, No, that was really good. And if you criticize me, you're 1048 01:00:42,629 --> 01:00:46,739 usually right. And I just take it like a man. Hi. So we, we 1049 01:00:46,739 --> 01:00:50,489 talked about that. And then we talk about 1050 01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:53,520 what essentially it's important post mortem that most 1051 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,450 publications do? 1052 01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:58,380 Yeah. Then we'll say what, what do we call the show? So we think 1053 01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:02,010 about what will get the best SEO results? What will people be 1054 01:01:02,010 --> 01:01:05,730 searching, we want all those accidental hits. And then we 1055 01:01:05,730 --> 01:01:08,490 have to choose from the artwork. And that is sometimes the 1056 01:01:08,490 --> 01:01:11,910 hardest part because it's so good. We don't want to, you 1057 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:15,540 know, have one guy put off over the other guy because they both 1058 01:01:15,540 --> 01:01:18,600 sent them something great. It's that's a hard choice sometimes. 1059 01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:23,430 Yeah, it's amazing. We have, and there's other artists waiting in 1060 01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:27,000 the wings that contribute on an occasional basis. We have some 1061 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,750 tremendous support from these guys. And then, you know, I 1062 01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:34,020 asked her set up his own t shirt shop and through I don't know 1063 01:01:34,050 --> 01:01:38,760 what mechanism and you know, we you know, Genda stuff.com stuff. 1064 01:01:38,790 --> 01:01:41,970 Yeah. And we have, you know, all these guys, and we've encouraged 1065 01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:44,400 it, and we don't we don't have our name trademarked somebody 1066 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,190 came up with an email the other day that said, Senator, I think 1067 01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:50,550 I got a good promotional idea. Why don't you trademark in the 1068 01:01:50,550 --> 01:01:54,090 morning. And then every time you hear anybody saying it on any 1069 01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:57,270 show whatsoever, send them a cease and desist order, and then 1070 01:01:57,270 --> 01:02:00,510 they'll promote you. And you'll get free publicity, although 1071 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,870 it's actually a funny idea, but it's not our model at all. 1072 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:09,720 It sounds like work. And that's one thing we hate. Work, we 1073 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,600 actually don't want to do anything. We just want to do 1074 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,420 this show. We don't want to have any extra work. We don't want to 1075 01:02:15,420 --> 01:02:19,320 do any, you know, extra promotion stuff that involves 1076 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,400 leaving a computer. 1077 01:02:20,819 --> 01:02:23,429 Yeah. And I had these other guys that guys amiibo saying Come on, 1078 01:02:23,459 --> 01:02:30,299 you know, they come up to me. Oh, yeah. Well, that's one of 1079 01:02:30,299 --> 01:02:33,719 the things that's changed. This is we're back live as it were 1080 01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:37,139 out. It's out of the out of where we are have exuded from 1081 01:02:37,529 --> 01:02:41,309 show 20.5. And now we're back in the show for 25. Yes, indeed, in 1082 01:02:41,309 --> 01:02:44,849 retrospect, so if anyone wants to know, and I think the Shut up 1083 01:02:44,849 --> 01:02:47,189 slave thing gave it away. Well, there's a lot 1084 01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:51,060 of stuff that that is new, jingle wise, obviously. And by 1085 01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:54,120 the way, people can find these, if you go to na shownotes.com 1086 01:02:54,990 --> 01:03:00,000 There is a there's a the top link is all the no agenda sites, 1087 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,240 I think, is what it's called. And if you tap on that, you'll 1088 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,020 find an actual link to all the jingles which is updated on the 1089 01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:11,550 fly. So it's automatically updated on that website, if 1090 01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:13,740 you're looking for any of the stuff that we use, that are 1091 01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:15,840 being part of our open source model, as you heard, 1092 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,170 and you can also go to the wiki page, no agenda Wiki pages, 1093 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,640 which we usually don't mention that much, but it's quite clear, 1094 01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:29,220 full. Not quite contemporary, but it's got enough stuff that 1095 01:03:29,220 --> 01:03:32,400 it's I think a good intro to the show. I tell people to go there. 1096 01:03:32,759 --> 01:03:36,719 It really this is like, really you tell people looking for the 1097 01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:40,259 background I see influences. Okay, that makes sense. But what 1098 01:03:40,259 --> 01:03:45,449 but what I'm missing here is our height. Let me see that. 1099 01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:47,490 I know he mentioned mo actually, 1100 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,200 actually, no, no. If you click through to my wiki page, height, 1101 01:03:52,410 --> 01:03:56,190 five foot 17 inches, I love it. Oh, somebody's 1102 01:03:56,190 --> 01:03:58,020 up just you have a you have a fan. 1103 01:03:59,430 --> 01:04:03,150 You are five with 13 on your website, on your wiki page. 1104 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,170 That's cool. But we do want to 1105 01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:10,320 remind people by the way that we have, we don't we don't we're 1106 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,300 not thinking any. We're going to thank all our executive 1107 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:15,180 producers and Associate Executive producers. When Adam 1108 01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:18,510 gets back from his wedding, which will be the Sunday what is 1109 01:04:18,510 --> 01:04:20,910 the date on that? Next live show? 1110 01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:26,730 Yeah, good question. Hold on a second. Now so we the wedding is 1111 01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:32,880 on Monday. And then we fly back on Wednesday, July 18. And 1112 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,730 Thursday I'll be back in the saddle so it'll be so the 1113 01:04:35,730 --> 01:04:39,240 19th will be the one show we're really excited that we want to 1114 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,670 remind people that just because we're doing we're doing we 1115 01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:44,040 actually doing this show above and beyond the call of duty we 1116 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,070 just take off the week. But we want to remind people that we 1117 01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:50,760 still need support because the same bills come up and the same 1118 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,520 problems come up they're you know require. Well, this is the 1119 01:04:53,550 --> 01:04:56,220 this is the one financing. Listen to these go to 1120 01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:57,810 dvorak.org/na 1121 01:04:57,900 --> 01:05:01,740 a listening to well We kick off with the first question and we 1122 01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,700 asked people to send in emails either John and myself or both 1123 01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:10,560 of us. And we were very specific about you know how to how to 1124 01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:14,430 address your email what you had to put in the subject line. And 1125 01:05:14,430 --> 01:05:15,840 not everyone did it. So if you didn't get 1126 01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:18,480 to that three guys did it on mine. Everyone else has 1127 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,680 questions show question by question show tuner point six. 1128 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,250 Yeah, I 1129 01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:26,970 got the quote show question. Pound hashtag pound number sign 1130 01:05:26,970 --> 01:05:28,170 pound the second half. 1131 01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:30,930 But what simple, no one can do it. But 1132 01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:34,800 Elliott Gardner asked right off the back. Right off the bat. Two 1133 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,580 questions. I'll do them out of order. Question two. First, why 1134 01:05:38,580 --> 01:05:42,210 did you choose Dvorak? dot.org/na. 1135 01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:46,740 Well, when we started off, I quickly put up a site to have to 1136 01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:50,400 collect some some some sponsors just not sponsorships, but 1137 01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:55,050 producer donations and contributions. And I did I have 1138 01:05:55,050 --> 01:05:58,770 this access to the my own site. So I just put it there. And it 1139 01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:04,170 became branding, then I was we've had other alternative 1140 01:06:04,170 --> 01:06:09,720 sites. And then somebody came up with this damn jingle became 1141 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,450 like, it's stuck me with this. I mean, we cannot leave because 1142 01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:14,160 the jingle is so good. Play it 1143 01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,240 devora.org/n A. 1144 01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:21,900 And we people have said, It's stuck in my brain, I have to go 1145 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:25,170 there. So we've kept it as kind of just it's a throwback, it's 1146 01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:25,650 kind of Of 1147 01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:28,740 course, it's not the easiest spelling thing to remembering, 1148 01:06:28,830 --> 01:06:29,700 right. Dvorak is 1149 01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:32,700 hard to spell, you know, it's, it would be better if we did 1150 01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:36,120 some kind of one of those. It's kind of like too late now, or? 1151 01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:39,630 I don't know, I know, I do have to say listening to to show 1152 01:06:39,630 --> 01:06:44,580 200.5 there. So a lot of big things changed in my life. Since 1153 01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:49,350 we did that show. The number one thing is that I left my day job, 1154 01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:53,460 I left my paycheck since then, and have been living solely off 1155 01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:58,260 of my half of the no agenda support that we get from our 1156 01:06:58,260 --> 01:07:01,920 producers, executive producers and our monthly donors. That 1157 01:07:01,950 --> 01:07:05,070 That, of course, led immediately to me moving out of the state of 1158 01:07:05,070 --> 01:07:07,980 California to the cheaper state of Texas 1159 01:07:08,010 --> 01:07:09,570 wisely. Yeah. 1160 01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:14,100 Because there was a little the variables are a bit too much to 1161 01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:20,040 be to be perfectly honest. You there's no way no way you can 1162 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,670 live in California doing this, you know, and then think, well, 1163 01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:26,790 maybe I'll make rent this month, maybe I'll make the damn water 1164 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:28,110 bill electricity bill, which is 1165 01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:31,470 really the worst and the personal income tax. And percent 1166 01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:32,160 off the top. 1167 01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:37,320 Yeah, which is going to 13.5 or whatever. Yeah, so all of that 1168 01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:40,770 was, and besides the fact that we really, you know, after our 1169 01:07:40,770 --> 01:07:45,000 Hot Pockets tour, which was another another new initiative 1170 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,100 that took place after show 200.5. You know, we wound up in 1171 01:07:50,130 --> 01:07:54,480 in Austin say, wow, you know, this, this is so much nicer as a 1172 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,930 place to live. But really, I mean, I did this just 1173 01:07:58,230 --> 01:08:02,340 financially, it made a lot of sense. And, and I think it's 1174 01:08:02,340 --> 01:08:07,200 also, in many ways help the show by being in a in a different 1175 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:07,920 Millia. 1176 01:08:08,310 --> 01:08:10,680 Yeah, no, you have to be I think that's important that the two of 1177 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,620 us are not right, you know, living in the same building kind 1178 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:14,520 of thing, while 1179 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,920 also not just not living in the same building, but you know, 1180 01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:19,440 what kind of culture does Hollywood give you really, I 1181 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:21,870 mean, it's just, you know, yeah, you might have a few extra 1182 01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:25,350 celebrity showbusiness like stories, but there's, you know, 1183 01:08:25,350 --> 01:08:32,760 it's otherwise. Yeah, exactly. So that's one of the main 1184 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,160 things. The other main thing is I was going through this, 1185 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,790 explaining how I did my show prep. Wow, that has changed 1186 01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:47,070 dramatically. In in two years time. It went from tagging 1187 01:08:47,070 --> 01:08:53,280 messages in Gmail, which was a good idea at the time, too. And 1188 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,710 yeah, I think we we have a pretty kick ass system. You 1189 01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:59,100 know, we have show notes that are very expanded, we've got to 1190 01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:03,840 the no agenda, news network, no agenda, news network.com. Now 1191 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,410 that we've got a lot of stuff that supports the show, which a 1192 01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:09,810 lot of people contribute to actually a lot of, and I'd like 1193 01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:13,230 to thank those producers, who are continuously dropping in 1194 01:09:13,290 --> 01:09:16,050 interesting story leads from around the world, which is 1195 01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:19,440 really the critical, the critical nature of what the 1196 01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:23,010 network does, because you can start to see the similarities 1197 01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:27,570 between the story that's being posted from Australia to get 1198 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:29,940 more nation Deutschland to something that's happening in 1199 01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:34,680 the in the in the States, and then you can really you get an 1200 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:40,890 overview, if you will, of how we're being managed as human 1201 01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:42,030 resources. 1202 01:09:42,989 --> 01:09:47,009 Yeah, no, I think we our audience is great. If it wasn't 1203 01:09:47,009 --> 01:09:49,139 for the audience and the producers we the show, we 1204 01:09:49,139 --> 01:09:51,179 wouldn't have a show. I mean, obviously wouldn't have a show 1205 01:09:51,179 --> 01:09:53,249 but I mean, we really wouldn't have a show. 1206 01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:56,370 We'll also the length of the show has changed. I think when 1207 01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:59,220 we were doing 200.5 We were trying to stick to an hour and a 1208 01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:05,160 half and would usually go over. And these days we're never shy 1209 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,680 of two and a half hours, which we do twice a week, 1210 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,910 which is five hours a week, which is, I think, valuable to 1211 01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:15,180 commuters because they get typical commutes about a half 1212 01:10:15,180 --> 01:10:18,060 hour you can do the whole showing the whole two shows in a 1213 01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:22,740 week of driving. And a lot of Pee Wee, I still believe most of 1214 01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:24,990 our audience are commuters. Well interestingly, 1215 01:10:24,990 --> 01:10:27,660 listen to the show. Where did you listen to 200.5 1216 01:10:28,620 --> 01:10:30,480 I listened to it on the computer. Oh, I 1217 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,570 listened to it in the car. I tried to really do 1218 01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:36,360 it by this dude on a computer for one reason I wanted to take 1219 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,590 notes on it. I do have some notes. Okay. You know opening 1220 01:10:40,590 --> 01:10:44,340 jingle we make it look easy. There was something in there a 1221 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:48,360 lot of self reflection, which is some of its gone away. We did 1222 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,970 talk about the no agenda name but we don't really know the 1223 01:10:50,970 --> 01:10:55,830 absolute perfect Genesis noise gates silence there. I noticed 1224 01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:58,290 this. You mentioned about it about the noise gay we and then 1225 01:10:58,290 --> 01:11:00,630 you said we have a moment of silence every so often you're 1226 01:11:00,630 --> 01:11:03,870 talking about the noise gate and I put my notes as missed get 1227 01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:08,250 egg. When did you say we have a moment of silence? I said Yeah, 1228 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:10,500 after that last joke, you know, camera, there's just 1229 01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:12,090 opportunities in the 1230 01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:19,290 Yeah, I also I also heard, you know, in comparison. With you 1231 01:11:19,290 --> 01:11:24,360 know, we've we've gelled even more as a team. Because, you 1232 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:30,630 know, the oh, here it comes. The fact of the blather is that this 1233 01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:34,560 is on Skype. So there's a delay. And at that point, we know we're 1234 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,970 pretty well accustomed to it. But you know, when when there's 1235 01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:40,950 something when John says something, and I gotta hit a 1236 01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:43,920 button, or if we're going back and forth in a dialogue, there 1237 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,730 is a delay to be reckoned with. So you're not stepping on each 1238 01:11:47,730 --> 01:11:48,750 other all the time. And I think 1239 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,560 you tend to hit the queues pretty well, except his I've 1240 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,630 noticed that over the last couple of weeks with this 1241 01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:56,970 wedding, hanging over your head, so 1242 01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:57,870 it's gotten worse. 1243 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,610 And it's the wedding. This is the problem. This is the 1244 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,600 distance like sports, you know, if you have the emotional state 1245 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,020 of the the participants really makes a difference in the 1246 01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:12,810 quality of the timing mostly in the show. 1247 01:12:18,150 --> 01:12:21,180 In other notes, I've also noticed I put down no longer 1248 01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:24,180 handing you DVDs. You made some 1249 01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:27,330 way. Oh, yeah, that's that's a good point. Yeah, you used to 1250 01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:32,130 have me DVD? Well, we used to. Well, I had just left San 1251 01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:36,120 Francisco at that point. We're not not long before. So we kind 1252 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,280 of saw each other, which of course also plays into the 1253 01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,760 reason why, you know, there's where there was less than less 1254 01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:45,150 food and wine talk of us having a dinner or a meal together and 1255 01:12:45,150 --> 01:12:49,440 talking about it. There's none. Because we virtually have not 1256 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:53,940 seen each other for I've seen you maybe once in two years, in 1257 01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:54,450 person. 1258 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,700 times, twice, maybe. Right. And I never managed you didn't stay 1259 01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:05,250 in Los Angeles long enough for me to get down there. And in 1260 01:13:05,250 --> 01:13:09,510 other words, you're only there for two years. And I also 1261 01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:13,290 noticed that the three Shows a week talk disappeared. 1262 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:18,600 Well, yeah, because we're, we're recovering. 1263 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,850 We were doing three Shows a week in two shows. Five hours. We're 1264 01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:25,860 talking three Shows a week, we're doing an hour and a half 1265 01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:27,750 and it would have been an hour and a half, three hours four or 1266 01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:33,690 five 4.5 hours we actually do more. We do not clue each other 1267 01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:37,110 so much on C span like we used to and you mentioned that on the 1268 01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:39,900 to unemployed if I were you, I'd send you an email or a text 1269 01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,960 message. Hey, go turn on C span right now. Don't do that. Right. 1270 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:43,740 We stopped doing that. 1271 01:13:43,860 --> 01:13:49,140 Right. Do you think I see? I've kind of I read your columns. 1272 01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:54,690 Most of them. I see your the s3 show I don't catch all the time. 1273 01:13:55,050 --> 01:13:59,580 You know, I have the RSS feed for the vortec.org/blog Do you 1274 01:13:59,580 --> 01:14:04,050 ever follow any of what I'm tweeting or? or linking to? 1275 01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:08,490 I follow everything you tweet. Really? Yeah. But you don't 1276 01:14:08,490 --> 01:14:11,010 follow us? Yeah, I go on Twitter about four times a day. 1277 01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:14,640 Yeah, I've seen you active when you don't have but no agenda 1278 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:15,750 News Network. Are you there? 1279 01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:18,510 I go on it every so when I remember to go on it for some 1280 01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:21,630 reason. I've not made a habit. I think it's a terrific resource 1281 01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:23,940 though. Because every time I go on it, there's a lot of good 1282 01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:27,750 stuff and I fear you're gonna pick it anyway. So that's true. 1283 01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:31,710 And I'd rather it's kind of fun to get caught by surprise. Also. 1284 01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:34,830 The production values of the show I think have improved a 1285 01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:38,280 little bit. It's outstanding, well produced one of the best 1286 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:45,120 produce shows I think we deserve an award uh, you do. Paul, T and 1287 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,890 Randy Asher are gone. 1288 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,190 Yeah, that was going I have written down to is like, there's 1289 01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:52,170 a lot of names that I do recognize, but there's some 1290 01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:57,150 names that are definitely out. And it's okay. I mean, and I 1291 01:14:57,150 --> 01:14:59,610 hope that listening I have no idea we just haven't heard from 1292 01:14:59,760 --> 01:14:59,970 them. 1293 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,060 They both have real jobs now. And they were doing the art when 1294 01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:05,700 they were between work, I believe, but we have so many 1295 01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:08,400 good artists that, you know, it's, they're missed, but you 1296 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,230 know, they're not completely missed. And we 1297 01:15:10,230 --> 01:15:13,470 have, and I have to say, you know, we we've we started for 1298 01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:17,160 the past month or so which is really way too late. But now I'm 1299 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,590 just writing it down. And, you know, therefore, it's harder for 1300 01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:24,300 me to forget to thank the artist as a credit on the show, but 1301 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:27,480 we're thanking the artist who did the previous episodes work, 1302 01:15:27,870 --> 01:15:30,210 because they are really the artists are the unsung heroes. 1303 01:15:30,210 --> 01:15:35,220 And, and this is your theory, how important the art is, it 1304 01:15:35,220 --> 01:15:40,290 really is incredibly important. Particularly if you if you if 1305 01:15:40,290 --> 01:15:42,690 you look at iTunes, if a lot of people listen to the show on 1306 01:15:42,690 --> 01:15:46,950 iTunes, or on their iPhone or some kind of iOS device, it just 1307 01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:48,270 looks beautiful. You look 1308 01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:53,130 at art is as a dimensionality to everything. And I think is very 1309 01:15:53,130 --> 01:15:56,160 important in artists. That reason we get the art the way we 1310 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,190 do we get so much because art most artists, people with the 1311 01:15:59,190 --> 01:16:03,810 soul of an artist, they tend to appreciate being appreciated. 1312 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,440 Yeah. Because nobody appreciates them, generally speaking. What 1313 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,890 do you do? Oh, you did a good. You know, nobody realized how 1314 01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:15,330 important it is. It really serves me yes, it's Sorry. It's 1315 01:16:15,330 --> 01:16:16,890 shameful shameful. I say. 1316 01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:23,310 One question that came in quite a bit is what is your problem 1317 01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:27,300 with the chat room? Well, me know a lot of people want to 1318 01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:30,810 know, why is John such a dick about the chat rooms? I think 1319 01:16:30,810 --> 01:16:33,750 I'm paraphrasing here, but I think that's the general right. 1320 01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:36,270 Yeah. General consensus of the question, 1321 01:16:37,380 --> 01:16:41,370 I think is a distraction for me. Personally, I think it should be 1322 01:16:41,370 --> 01:16:44,040 dogged. And I'm glad you do it. Because the chat room is a good 1323 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,920 feedback mechanism is kind of like the Greek chorus. You know, 1324 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,590 somebody's in the background saying stuff that you need to 1325 01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:52,650 hear, and somebody needs to listen. But I don't think we 1326 01:16:52,650 --> 01:16:55,260 both need to be listening because it's very distracting. 1327 01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:59,250 And when I'm on Leo's show, I am on the chat in the chat room and 1328 01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:04,830 often I get I lose it completely lose myself into the chat room. 1329 01:17:05,220 --> 01:17:08,940 And then the chat room that we have is a mean spirited group 1330 01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:09,660 and 1331 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,080 not not a mean spirited No, that's true. 1332 01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:15,870 Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I should go back revisit and I got kicked 1333 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,340 out one that's the 1334 01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:19,770 there it is ladies and gentlemen. He got kicked out. 1335 01:17:19,770 --> 01:17:21,060 That's the problem. 1336 01:17:22,410 --> 01:17:24,510 That's my own chair. 1337 01:17:24,510 --> 01:17:28,020 It is that's the problem. And I just want to take the 1338 01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:32,130 opportunity to thank Mr. Oils, sir, get most leave and void 1339 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:36,180 zero, who are always keeping I mean, the chat room that's never 1340 01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:40,140 gone down as far as I know. They also keep the stream going and 1341 01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:43,110 that is all highly appreciated what those guys do for us a 1342 01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:50,910 couple other things. Oh, let's see. Oh, we have some failed at 1343 01:17:50,910 --> 01:17:53,220 first. We should probably mention once in a while nap for 1344 01:17:53,220 --> 01:17:56,400 humanity was one of them that came in went. The Red Book 1345 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,490 is new. Oh, that's right. It is new. You're right. 1346 01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:03,630 The Red Book is new and the Red Book is real. We still don't we 1347 01:18:03,630 --> 01:18:06,600 you know the guy who told me that he was one of our listeners 1348 01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:09,870 or producers that gave us crackpot in Buzzkill. And it was 1349 01:18:09,870 --> 01:18:14,760 like way early. And I because it was so long ago and I get so I 1350 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,310 have so much email in my archives. I can't find I 1351 01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:20,700 don't even I don't even remember who do who did that first. Yeah, 1352 01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:23,250 I was it was a guy wrote in and I brought it up on the show. And 1353 01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:25,800 we thought it was hilarious. And then the artists immediately put 1354 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:26,700 it up and that was in there. 1355 01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:32,880 It's the template now. Yeah. Here, Adam, given the technology 1356 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,790 background of both you and John, would you guys ever consider a 1357 01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:39,210 tech podcast? I miss John's cranky geeks and would gladly be 1358 01:18:39,210 --> 01:18:42,210 a founding producer for a weekly tech show twit is great, but you 1359 01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:44,520 guys are better. And and that's not I'm not reading this out. 1360 01:18:44,730 --> 01:18:49,440 gloating. I think it's a valid question. And before you answer, 1361 01:18:50,490 --> 01:18:55,080 I would say that I we rarely bring up tech that well. I 1362 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,250 rarely bring up tech related discussions because I know 1363 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,370 typically that you're going to be on twit two to three times 1364 01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:05,820 out of the month. And I don't want you know, I don't want to 1365 01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:10,290 detract from what you're doing there. But sometimes we do bring 1366 01:19:10,290 --> 01:19:13,110 something up if it's kind of irrelevant, but I think most of 1367 01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:18,150 it just doesn't really matter to everyone's life. That's not to 1368 01:19:18,150 --> 01:19:20,490 say that I wouldn't love doing that with you. I just don't know 1369 01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:23,700 if we could actually do it. I have a feeling something would 1370 01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:25,710 suck if we if we did another show. 1371 01:19:26,010 --> 01:19:30,330 Yeah, I agree. I think we I think what we people if they 1372 01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,510 like what we're doing with this show, which I which is very 1373 01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:37,440 unique, very unique. Nobody really is doing anything quite 1374 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:41,550 like this. The tech thing everybody's doing one yes. True. 1375 01:19:41,790 --> 01:19:44,880 And it's like, oh, let's jump in on the tech thing and do another 1376 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,840 Tech Show. And it's like, Ah, I'm not you know, I've done tech 1377 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,470 shows. I'll do some more tech to do some more video tech shows 1378 01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:56,790 maybe. I mean, the X ray shows over Generation X three still 1379 01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:58,920 going on, but that's not even tech anymore. So that's 1380 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,790 essentially the only tech show I do I write about tech every day? 1381 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,680 I don't really need to be doing more tech than I do. And it's 1382 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,870 not that enjoyable. And it's not that interesting. What we're 1383 01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:16,380 doing is extremely unique and, and often fascinating. And also, 1384 01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:19,980 yeah, you know, tech is what it is it's tacking all Intel's got 1385 01:20:19,980 --> 01:20:22,680 a new chip. Oh, stop the presses. 1386 01:20:23,070 --> 01:20:26,520 And also another thing is that, you know, and we've always 1387 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,090 adhered to this model, which we've discussed many times, is, 1388 01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:33,600 we really try to converse as little as possible. And that's 1389 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,650 not even email. Certainly no phone calls at all in between 1390 01:20:37,650 --> 01:20:41,040 shows. And even before we before we hit the record button on 1391 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,130 today's show, we're like, and it's Saturday, just say no, 1392 01:20:44,190 --> 01:20:48,030 tomorrow is is Sunday, when we're doing the actual episode 1393 01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:52,260 four to four. Like it's going to fuck up tomorrow show. Because 1394 01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:54,450 you just know it isn't the rhythms off. It's like now we 1395 01:20:54,450 --> 01:20:55,890 already were talking to each other. 1396 01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,750 Yeah, but you're also packing to go to Holland to get married 1397 01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:02,910 tomorrow. We're going to do a show with that hanging over 1398 01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:03,270 here. Now 1399 01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:06,420 I have the automatic self packing suitcase. That part is 1400 01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:09,960 good. But I would like I was out all day running errands. Believe 1401 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,010 me. Of course. Yeah. That's why it's what it is. But you know 1402 01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:16,350 what? I'm damn happy. I'm marrying the woman I love Come 1403 01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:20,340 on. Give me a break. And by the way, when discuss pre discussing 1404 01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:25,830 the show with Miss Mickey, which I often do. I'll try. I'll try 1405 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:29,070 like, I couldn't do this my previous life with Miss Mickey, 1406 01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:32,580 I couldn't have said, Let me run this by see what you think. And 1407 01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:37,770 if she starts to roll her eyes, are you? Okay? She was very 1408 01:21:37,770 --> 01:21:40,560 specific. The only thing she really wanted to convey is that 1409 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,600 she really, really loves you. And she means it. And she's 1410 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,880 bummed that you're not at the wedding. And I told her 1411 01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:51,090 that you told me not to go. That's exactly what I said. I 1412 01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:51,630 said, I don't. 1413 01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:54,630 It's a pain in the ass. I didn't tell her how adamantly you 1414 01:21:54,630 --> 01:22:04,050 agreed. To go. In fact, you said, Yeah, man. You know how 1415 01:22:04,050 --> 01:22:07,950 many times it's canceled? You wondered this whole thing about 1416 01:22:07,950 --> 01:22:10,440 how you've canceled trips, like as you're on the way to the 1417 01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:13,500 airport. Come on. Come on, man. I 1418 01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:16,020 asked you, I will cancel the trip on the way to the airport. 1419 01:22:16,110 --> 01:22:19,920 Molly, what's coming so many times, when you know, beam, 1420 01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,560 you'll say, Well, I gotta get out of here. And then I said, 1421 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,980 Screw it. I'm not going to go go back to bed. It's like a 1422 01:22:25,980 --> 01:22:30,060 routine, such as you said that nobody that knows me is ever 1423 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:33,690 surprised. I mean, if I'm booked for a speech someplace, and I'm 1424 01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:38,160 getting paid money, no, I'm going. But But somebody how 1425 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,160 often does that happen? I don't have to go to out generally not 1426 01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:45,870 go. Anyway. Mollywood. What time to flight is to have it's like a 1427 01:22:45,870 --> 01:22:49,260 new flight and take it or leave it. But of seven in the morning. 1428 01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:50,730 Sometimes I'll talk myself out of 1429 01:22:50,730 --> 01:22:53,250 it. I'll say it again. Mollywood is coming. 1430 01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:56,640 Oh, well, that's nice. You'll have fun. She looks Dutch. 1431 01:22:59,190 --> 01:23:04,140 What another thing I was going to gonna mention that. A lot of 1432 01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:09,300 the I recognize a lot of the donor names from 200.5. And a 1433 01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,600 lot of them are still donors. And as I was kind of 1434 01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:17,040 reminiscing, driving around Austin here, thinking about, you 1435 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,260 know, you know, how's that? How's that? How's the show 1436 01:23:19,260 --> 01:23:23,340 grown? And you probably didn't know, we had Eric doing a 1437 01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:26,610 numbers for us. I presume you don't have numbers, like we had 1438 01:23:26,610 --> 01:23:29,310 on the last show about, you know, how many were the most 1439 01:23:29,340 --> 01:23:33,360 donations come in? From what countries? You know, we've 1440 01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,570 probably we've increased the, the length of the show the 1441 01:23:36,570 --> 01:23:40,530 amount of the show by probably close to 30% on a weekly basis, 1442 01:23:40,530 --> 01:23:46,050 or just in general 30%. But the people who listen to the show, 1443 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,580 and the percentage of them who are donors or not, as they 1444 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:55,050 themselves have self imposed boners I don't think has 1445 01:23:55,050 --> 01:23:57,930 increased that much. I mean, still a lot of the same people, 1446 01:23:58,170 --> 01:24:02,640 which is, of course, super appreciated. But I don't know, 1447 01:24:02,670 --> 01:24:05,370 did you get that feeling at all that it was like, have we really 1448 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,860 that was the moment where I'm like, we've grown in so many 1449 01:24:07,860 --> 01:24:10,320 areas, but it seems like a lot of the same people 1450 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,210 needs to be grown. 1451 01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:15,270 We talked about this growing up the audio out of the it's not 1452 01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:17,130 the growing of the audience bitching 1453 01:24:17,130 --> 01:24:19,500 and moaning about the fact that we don't have enough listeners, 1454 01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,160 but we we have a lot of loyal listeners. But we also have some 1455 01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,180 people that bail. I get that from the mail chimp does a lot 1456 01:24:27,180 --> 01:24:31,200 of stats, when I send out the mailings every week, and they 1457 01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,570 tell you how many people dropped from the mailing list and they 1458 01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:38,460 put a snide remark in Oh, still, it's still a very small number 1459 01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:43,350 compared to most families, we probably lose 10 people a week 1460 01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:48,690 and while picking up you know 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 and 1461 01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:52,350 I think my point is that there's still a lot of people who we 1462 01:24:52,350 --> 01:24:57,150 haven't done a good enough job for, I guess that they are 1463 01:24:57,150 --> 01:24:57,750 donating 1464 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,770 Yeah, yeah, that is is a problem, I think or they feel 1465 01:25:01,770 --> 01:25:04,050 this or this show or there's just freeloaders. I mean, there 1466 01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:08,010 are people that don't get it. They don't want to, you know, 1467 01:25:08,010 --> 01:25:11,310 donate because this is just against their religion. I have 1468 01:25:11,310 --> 01:25:11,940 no idea. 1469 01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:14,700 Let's see. Do you have any more questions? Yeah, 1470 01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:19,410 I got one here. This is from Laurie in Kansas, like know how 1471 01:25:19,410 --> 01:25:23,700 long john and Mimi homeschooled their kids. Yeah, was the 1472 01:25:23,700 --> 01:25:26,010 primary motivation because it's public schools. Even though 1473 01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:30,210 we're in good public schools in Albany, and Port Angeles. The 1474 01:25:30,210 --> 01:25:38,820 kids were amenable. So we homeschool J four, five years, 1475 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:42,150 Jase Evans will be listening. She just put up the big five. 1476 01:25:42,510 --> 01:25:45,360 And then she decided that she suddenly she 1477 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,670 can count that's good. The homeschooling is good for 1478 01:25:47,670 --> 01:25:48,210 something. 1479 01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:52,110 Yeah, homeschool is when all the awards by the way for these 1480 01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:55,740 competitions. And he regrets No, none whatsoever. And she's a 1481 01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:58,950 straight A student got into college, no problem. And when 1482 01:25:58,950 --> 01:26:01,920 you know, can ask for much more than that. And the thing about 1483 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,140 private schooling, everyone who's interested in thinking 1484 01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:08,100 about it, the child has to sign up. In other words, they have to 1485 01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:10,890 be on board if they're not on board, you know, so you can 1486 01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:14,490 throw it in their face. You said you wanted to do this? Not that 1487 01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:17,310 I do that would ever do that. But they have to be on board 1488 01:26:17,310 --> 01:26:19,680 once they're on board. And it's easy if they don't want to be 1489 01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,130 homeschooled and they want to go to school. It's a different 1490 01:26:23,130 --> 01:26:23,520 story. 1491 01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:26,640 I have a question. Are you are you still doing the show there 1492 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,890 without headphones? Are you still listening to me on the 1493 01:26:28,890 --> 01:26:32,580 speaker? Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's amazing to me. 1494 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,460 I first worked at one time I was up in Vancouver on a radio show. 1495 01:26:38,730 --> 01:26:43,020 Bill good. He was the big talk show guy in Vancouver, Canada, 1496 01:26:43,020 --> 01:26:46,350 and I was writing for the Vancouver Sun. And you go in 1497 01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:49,080 there and he was this was the way it was. He had no 1498 01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,230 headphones. He was a host, you know, most of these radio guys 1499 01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:55,560 who like to modulate their voice with the headphones. Yeah. That 1500 01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:01,080 would be me. Exactly. You know, and but he was known as all free 1501 01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,970 air and I was thinking and it worked pretty well. It sounded 1502 01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:10,680 good. And then I over time, I just got sick of having those 1503 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,800 headphones on. And so I put in even when I when I started doing 1504 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,910 Leo's Twitch show, I had I used headphones at first because 1505 01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:22,290 these these Heil mics, right, really, you can really modulate 1506 01:27:22,290 --> 01:27:27,000 the heck out you can really sound great with a baby. And And 1507 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,470 did I give I just gave up. 1508 01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:32,370 Now that's interesting. I can't do it really? Because I need to 1509 01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:36,540 hear the exact mix that's going out. You know, and just 1510 01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:40,590 everything because I you have a large you know, the high 1511 01:27:40,590 --> 01:27:42,180 percentage that I'd screw it up? 1512 01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:45,840 Yeah, well, when I do the Horowitz show I have to wear 1513 01:27:45,870 --> 01:27:49,110 headphones because I'm running everything through the I have to 1514 01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:50,130 I just have to there's no 1515 01:27:50,610 --> 01:27:53,850 another question. Do you have like the it's a really light in 1516 01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:58,170 your room. I've never seen your your studio slash you know, I 1517 01:27:58,170 --> 01:28:02,040 turn off all the lights. I got a little you know, like dimly lit 1518 01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,270 lighting above the the desk area and everything else is off. I 1519 01:28:06,270 --> 01:28:09,060 like it really dark. Ah, interesting. 1520 01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:12,150 Yeah, no, I'm fine. I tried on like a dark at all. Hmm. 1521 01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,500 Hi, John. Since the beginning, this is from Greg s since the 1522 01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:19,920 beginning of no agenda. Have you changed your mind on any of 1523 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,010 Adam's crackpot topics in the second half of the show such as 1524 01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:27,180 911 UFOs, Moon bases stargates vaccines and other conspiracies? 1525 01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:31,080 Let me fish I know it's not a great question. But I think 1526 01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,780 listeners would like to know the answer. I've CC to Adam, just in 1527 01:28:33,780 --> 01:28:36,810 case he wants to chime in on this one. Greg's dearly. 1528 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,710 I'm a little more liberal on some of the things namely the 1529 01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:45,030 911 thing because the World Trade Center seven Yeah. So I 1530 01:28:45,060 --> 01:28:48,180 and other things that I've seen read and heard. So there's 1531 01:28:48,180 --> 01:28:52,380 something fishy going on. So I'm a little more amenable to that 1532 01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:56,040 the flying saucer thing? Not really a stargate no way in 1533 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,380 Leicester on the other side, I do believe it's possible as a 1534 01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:03,030 stargate and on the other side are more fish. So except for 1535 01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:03,360 that 1536 01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,330 I got I got I got a lot of questions about the so called 1537 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,730 you know, a second half of the show. Where where's all the 1538 01:29:14,730 --> 01:29:19,260 crazy second half of the show stuff and, and you know, I 1539 01:29:19,260 --> 01:29:25,410 generally don't report on things that I don't believe in myself. 1540 01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:27,990 And you know, sometimes you can't just go making it up like 1541 01:29:28,020 --> 01:29:30,930 oh, it's second half of the show. I need some bullshit items 1542 01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:34,290 to throw at people. I don't I don't do that. But also as I was 1543 01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:39,990 thinking about it, the the world has gone so crazy. Since our 1544 01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:43,770 200.5 episode, that the second half of the show started the 1545 01:29:43,770 --> 01:29:47,580 opening of the show. Things are so nuts sometimes it's just you 1546 01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:51,000 I sit here and go like I can't believe this is actually taking 1547 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:51,690 place 1548 01:29:51,810 --> 01:29:54,330 in the second half of the show is essentially the Homeland 1549 01:29:54,330 --> 01:29:58,020 Security. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I ya know, I've noticed this 1550 01:29:58,020 --> 01:30:02,070 too, but I it's theirs Not that much. Maybe once in a while, 1551 01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:04,740 maybe once every couple of months, there'll be some 1552 01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:07,200 sighting or there'd be some really good video on YouTube of 1553 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,520 a thing flying across the sky in China, that can't be verified or 1554 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:16,350 unverified. And it's, it's an interesting point of animation, 1555 01:30:16,350 --> 01:30:19,740 but there's no real story. The second half of the show is not 1556 01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:20,670 what it used to be. 1557 01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:24,090 Well, no, but this, you know, it's like, no, 1558 01:30:24,510 --> 01:30:27,570 but that's where the stuff belongs. If we go, you know, but 1559 01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:29,280 a lot of hit some couple days. A lot of 1560 01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:34,110 you know, we've probably there's been an increase in thanks to 1561 01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:39,210 YouTube UFO videos and crop circles and strange stuff. But 1562 01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:44,160 Hello, this is radio slash audio. That just doesn't work. 1563 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,430 You know what I'm gonna do? Hey, listen to this. This audio of 1564 01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:50,790 people going all the convoluted. You don't want to 1565 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,550 play the otter that guys who saw the double rainbow, 1566 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,510 we played that? No, that was worth it. That was a good one 1567 01:30:57,510 --> 01:31:05,490 man. Man. Yeah. What are there any questions? Any more 1568 01:31:05,490 --> 01:31:06,060 questions on that? 1569 01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:08,370 Yeah. Whatever happened to the no agenda library, which is 1570 01:31:08,370 --> 01:31:09,750 Gardner's other question. 1571 01:31:10,770 --> 01:31:13,440 I don't know. We'll see. We don't maintain this stuff. 1572 01:31:13,950 --> 01:31:18,810 This stuff is not for us. Bentley asks, How many people 1573 01:31:18,810 --> 01:31:21,600 have screwed up the subject line? And most of them okay. 1574 01:31:23,220 --> 01:31:27,330 Fear you only wonder where do you guys? Oh, here's what yeah, 1575 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,570 this is a good one. If the donor gave you guys a large amount, 1576 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,500 $100,000. dollars, would you realistically let him or her 1577 01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:38,280 have any fluid? any influence on the show? What about naming 1578 01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:42,690 rights? If I signed a contract to pay you guys, x $100,000. A 1579 01:31:42,690 --> 01:31:46,680 year? Would you rename the show no agenda presented by Val 1580 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:53,100 Janelle, for example? Huh. Think we did have a thing that we will 1581 01:31:53,130 --> 01:31:56,970 give will give naming rights to Monsanto for 5 million? Well, 1582 01:31:56,970 --> 01:31:57,090 you 1583 01:31:57,090 --> 01:32:00,690 know, here's the bottom line. The only way if, first of all, 1584 01:32:00,810 --> 01:32:03,810 not having advertisements is not because we just can't get 1585 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:09,060 advertisers. Or that most advertisers would shy away from 1586 01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:12,330 many of the topics that we discuss. But it's really about 1587 01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:17,370 influence and the automatic compromise that you make. So 1588 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:23,550 regardless of who, what, where whatever, you know, I would not 1589 01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:28,230 put in a contract saying, I won't speak badly of vaginal, 1590 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,980 you know, that wouldn't go so you know, probably the 1591 01:32:32,010 --> 01:32:35,040 Yeah, but that's, that's always assumed, 1592 01:32:35,940 --> 01:32:37,770 well, then we'd have to have our money upfront. 1593 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,140 We're not doing what is not gonna happen. That's where we 1594 01:32:43,140 --> 01:32:49,170 need individual donors org.org/n A, and N two is not going to 1595 01:32:49,170 --> 01:32:51,000 happen. It's not going to happen. It's not going to 1596 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,500 happen. Usually, my main reasons 1597 01:32:52,530 --> 01:32:55,590 really not gonna happen. The main reason we're not going to 1598 01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:57,120 do it is because it's just not going to happen. 1599 01:32:57,330 --> 01:33:00,510 We've set up the show, so it won't happen. It's actually 1600 01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,260 predestined to happen. Nobody could possibly deal with 1601 01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:08,190 sponsoring the show. If somebody really liked the show, and they 1602 01:33:08,220 --> 01:33:13,020 felt obliged to produce it. They would, they would know enough 1603 01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:16,140 about the show to just give us the MCSA money. Exactly, yeah. 1604 01:33:16,140 --> 01:33:17,430 $100,000 we take 1605 01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:19,410 that and we'd give an executive producer, well, we'd give you 1606 01:33:19,410 --> 01:33:23,730 more we'd give you like a barony for sure. Sure. Definitely. 1607 01:33:24,690 --> 01:33:30,270 Definitely. I for one personally, there's there's not 1608 01:33:30,270 --> 01:33:33,600 a day, I think that doesn't go man probably more than once in a 1609 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,010 while. But so often, I think, wow, how awesome is this that 1610 01:33:38,010 --> 01:33:41,850 we're doing? You know, I'm, I'm always on because I can't 1611 01:33:41,850 --> 01:33:45,510 disappoint. You know, we've got to continuously do a good show. 1612 01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:48,780 Because if we phone it in so to speak, or if we just start to 1613 01:33:48,780 --> 01:33:53,220 suck, then, you know, I'll be out of a, you know, I'll be 1614 01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:54,300 looking for a job. 1615 01:33:55,530 --> 01:33:58,500 Clayton meringue asks, How did the two of you come together to 1616 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,380 start this show? That is explained? And then yeah, 200.5 1617 01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:03,690 He should be listening to that. So that's in already been 1618 01:34:03,690 --> 01:34:04,230 explained. 1619 01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,530 One Yeah. Chad Johnson says Hi, Adam, Leo, and I would love to 1620 01:34:10,530 --> 01:34:12,600 have you on the show this weekend. Are you available at 1621 01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,230 3pm Pacific on Sunday? I know. 1622 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,360 It's bad timing. 1623 01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:23,040 It's bad timing. I'm getting married. I'm leaving. Second 1624 01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:23,580 time I don't know 1625 01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:25,230 who's on the show this Sunday. I'm not going to be on it. 1626 01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:27,720 That's next week. I'll be on a DA 1627 01:34:28,050 --> 01:34:32,070 that's why this is why the doing a Hail Mary had Saturday. Who 1628 01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:34,080 can we find? Pink curry? 1629 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,890 Yeah, but yeah, well tell me getting married and it'd be that 1630 01:34:39,060 --> 01:34:41,400 you got any others or we'll get back to the show and then wrap 1631 01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:41,820 it up for 1632 01:34:41,820 --> 01:34:44,850 I think we yeah, we went to five. Yeah, we dropped back into 1633 01:34:44,850 --> 01:34:49,200 the show. There's another what is that? Probably like another 1634 01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,220 half hour left or so 1635 01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:51,540 I think about 40 minutes. 1636 01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:57,870 Okay. And we'll be back to wrap it up. So back to May 17 2010 1637 01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:04,200 with the continuation of episode Code 200.5 A couple of couple of 1638 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,960 questions from Sir Troy Walters I just want to go down the list 1639 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,710 make sure we didn't miss anything. How did you come up 1640 01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:12,510 with promotions like the knighthoods 1641 01:35:13,710 --> 01:35:16,530 and although the knighthood thing by the way, I will take 1642 01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:19,860 credit for that and I'll tell you why. I although I think we 1643 01:35:19,860 --> 01:35:22,140 discussed and I think you're the one that probably pushed the 1644 01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:23,310 idea I could probably 1645 01:35:23,310 --> 01:35:25,590 probably the name of a knighthood is probably what I 1646 01:35:25,620 --> 01:35:26,880 might contribution 1647 01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:29,880 well the knighthood thing and one of the one day and I've said 1648 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,860 this, I've done this with everybody who knows me will have 1649 01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:33,810 heard this probably at one time or another and I know I took 1650 01:35:33,810 --> 01:35:37,290 random paths to Adam, every time some American I think it's 1651 01:35:37,290 --> 01:35:39,420 supposed to be illegal to receive a knighthood from the 1652 01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:42,810 Queen, but they do. Anyway, every time somebody said, Why is 1653 01:35:42,810 --> 01:35:45,810 what's the queen? What's so special about England that 1654 01:35:45,810 --> 01:35:49,590 they're granting? knighthoods? Why don't we grant knighthoods, 1655 01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:52,740 right? Why can't we just grant and what can anybody why can't 1656 01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:55,230 Ford Motor Company grant knighthoods? What differences? 1657 01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,940 Yeah, that's good. So, so ours are just as good as the Queen's? 1658 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,940 I think so. And I think we have a better group, that's for sure. 1659 01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:06,330 The Knights that have been on our list are they're fantastic 1660 01:36:06,330 --> 01:36:07,440 people, every one of them, 1661 01:36:07,590 --> 01:36:14,370 I have a plan by the way of making a night iPhone app. That 1662 01:36:14,460 --> 01:36:18,870 will only be for nights. And it'll be limited for a number of 1663 01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:24,000 reasons, but only be for nights. And, and it'll be like our, our 1664 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,480 communication model, like a network a night network. 1665 01:36:27,929 --> 01:36:28,679 Now, that's a good idea. 1666 01:36:28,710 --> 01:36:31,950 Yeah, I think it'd be kind of fun. And we'd like a bad signal. 1667 01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:34,320 I still want a bad signal. We're gonna need it one of these days. 1668 01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:37,800 We've got a lot of professional people in the knighthoods. We 1669 01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,420 don't have a doctor, we have a dentist, 1670 01:36:39,450 --> 01:36:43,380 do we have a lawyer? Oh, you know, that's what you need. 1671 01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:44,610 Right? You need a lawyer? 1672 01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:47,040 Or we need a butcher? 1673 01:36:47,490 --> 01:36:55,710 Yes. Hell yeah. A farmer? Farm? What drives the new promotions? 1674 01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:59,970 That's a good question. Depends on how you interpreted Of 1675 01:36:59,970 --> 01:37:05,760 course. And I will say all the emails, promotion ideas, John 1676 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,970 does all of that I do the production of the show, John 1677 01:37:08,970 --> 01:37:10,020 does all of that stuff. 1678 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,820 Yeah, I'm the marketing guy. Mainly because I've always 1679 01:37:14,820 --> 01:37:18,450 admired certain forms of marketing that are very rarely 1680 01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:22,530 executed by the general public. And by that I mean, or by 1681 01:37:22,530 --> 01:37:25,830 General companies, or little operations like ours. And by 1682 01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:32,580 that, I mean PBS, and, and religion, churches, because the 1683 01:37:32,580 --> 01:37:36,630 model is so interesting that you get people that like you so 1684 01:37:36,630 --> 01:37:39,300 much, because you're doing something for them. And that's 1685 01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:42,630 what PBS and churches are perceived as doing the ones 1686 01:37:42,630 --> 01:37:45,090 giving you good help, and you're spiritually and the other ones 1687 01:37:45,210 --> 01:37:52,080 educating you out of mainstream media supposedly, and, and I 1688 01:37:52,110 --> 01:37:55,110 their model for getting money. And by the way, I have a 1689 01:37:55,110 --> 01:37:59,280 background in public radio, I had a couple of shows two 1690 01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,550 different shows, that were on public radio for over almost 10 1691 01:38:02,550 --> 01:38:07,230 years, about computers. And I saw the mechanism, how it works, 1692 01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:10,680 and how much money they get, and all the rest of it. And I always 1693 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,680 said, you know why, you know, why does it just have to be 1694 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,590 those two groups? And then, of course, the publishing, you 1695 01:38:16,590 --> 01:38:19,770 know, the the direct payment for a novel is a different kind of a 1696 01:38:19,770 --> 01:38:22,650 thing. Why are these the only two groups that are using this 1697 01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:26,070 model? A? And does anyone notice that they're actually pretty 1698 01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:29,340 successful with this model? Thank you. There's some churches 1699 01:38:29,340 --> 01:38:32,250 out there that have, you know, not counting the mega churches, 1700 01:38:32,250 --> 01:38:36,300 but but decent sized churches with maybe 2000, to 3000 1701 01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:39,930 parishioners, and they got the guy with a Cadillac and a big 1702 01:38:39,930 --> 01:38:43,080 house, and they got plenty of money. And it's only like 2000 1703 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,800 people that are supporting this entire parish. And it's like, 1704 01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:49,980 does anybody notice that this is looks like, you know, these 1705 01:38:49,980 --> 01:38:52,710 courts, the tax free thing doesn't hurt the guy. But it's 1706 01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:55,740 like, obvious it's a model that works and people don't mind the 1707 01:38:55,740 --> 01:38:59,370 model. I mean, we're not getting knighthood, donations, because 1708 01:38:59,370 --> 01:39:04,350 people think this is a dumb idea. Well, anyway, so I do the 1709 01:39:04,350 --> 01:39:07,890 promotions, I, I come up with them. You know, every once in a 1710 01:39:07,890 --> 01:39:11,460 while, we one comes forward and say, well, here's an idea. We 1711 01:39:11,550 --> 01:39:14,490 this is this people would like so you know, it's kind of like 1712 01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:19,170 selling the dream kind of thing. I'm not sure that I do. I used 1713 01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:20,100 to be in direct marketing. 1714 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,770 I say that, you know, when people ask me about this, I say 1715 01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:26,520 looking and we have a church and our religion is the truth or as 1716 01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:27,690 close as we can get to it. 1717 01:39:28,020 --> 01:39:31,380 There's that element. I think we you know, we seem to offend a 1718 01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:34,140 few people if we go over the off the deep end with the church 1719 01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:36,240 angle, but the fact of the matter is we do the thing on 1720 01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,750 Sunday morning, and I'm sure a lot of people don't go to church 1721 01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:44,880 and listen to us instead. Or football. It'd be interesting to 1722 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,660 see what since we're in Full Tilt here trying to maximize our 1723 01:39:48,660 --> 01:39:52,740 incomes. It'll be interesting to see what the drop off is on 1724 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,980 listenership and the live stream during the football season. Oh, 1725 01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:58,470 interesting. Yeah, well, that well and by the way, we do look 1726 01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:59,670 at that, that kind of you look at 1727 01:39:59,670 --> 01:40:03,030 all in numbers, we keep track of stuff. Eric likes to dream up 1728 01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:07,230 weird reports. And we look at them and we know where we're 1729 01:40:07,230 --> 01:40:10,950 headed. And we're doing fine. We're not doing well enough that 1730 01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:14,190 we can quit and do this full time. And, and you know, that's 1731 01:40:14,190 --> 01:40:16,980 which is okay being in a struggling situation is not a 1732 01:40:16,980 --> 01:40:22,650 bad thing. And the show I think, is sound. If I can say is it 1733 01:40:22,650 --> 01:40:23,130 harder 1734 01:40:23,130 --> 01:40:27,000 to be excited for the next show if donations are down on the 1735 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,890 previous show? It is for Adam. That's not true. It's not like 1736 01:40:31,890 --> 01:40:36,420 I'm less excited. Who said so once No. And even then you 1737 01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:40,200 misinterpreted what I said, what I what I meant was, first of 1738 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,290 all, it bums me out because I take that as a, as a direct 1739 01:40:43,290 --> 01:40:46,800 result of the program of the product that we produced. It 1740 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,380 bums me out. Yeah, it bums me out. It doesn't make me less 1741 01:40:49,380 --> 01:40:54,330 excited. No, it motivates me. It gets me motivated to do a better 1742 01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:58,680 show that we've deconstructed. And John, by the way, you got to 1743 01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,010 know this. He's like, like the horrible uncle you never wanted. 1744 01:41:02,250 --> 01:41:05,550 He'll send you notes like, well, that thing you did that made 1745 01:41:05,550 --> 01:41:08,970 donations dropped through the floor. And as horrible and I 1746 01:41:08,970 --> 01:41:12,330 know, and it took me like two months to figure out that this 1747 01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:14,550 is bullshit that he's just writing that just to piss me 1748 01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:14,970 off. 1749 01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,570 No, I was writing it for a good reason. Because I believed it to 1750 01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:19,320 be true. 1751 01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:25,590 It's the way you write it is like the way email, grandpa. 1752 01:41:25,740 --> 01:41:27,840 Yeah, sorry. Don't be such a dick. 1753 01:41:27,929 --> 01:41:30,509 I suppose I should put a bunch of smiley faces and that really 1754 01:41:30,509 --> 01:41:31,469 make you happy? 1755 01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:36,990 Yeah. Good. This is what I love about you. What is the single 1756 01:41:36,990 --> 01:41:39,840 most enjoyable element of the show for each of you? 1757 01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:44,370 Hmm, that's a great question. And I don't like saying the term 1758 01:41:44,370 --> 01:41:48,900 a great question. But it's a thoughtful question makes you 1759 01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:56,670 think. Like, I think when the show ends? I think ours 1760 01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,970 there? Well, first of all, there is no element in the show. I 1761 01:41:59,970 --> 01:42:03,390 think that's that's that we have no fixed elements. That's true. 1762 01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:05,670 The only thing that's fixed is donations. 1763 01:42:07,230 --> 01:42:10,290 And we do that about an hour and 45 minutes to an hour. Yeah. So 1764 01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:12,780 we've talked about that, because we noticed the donations fall 1765 01:42:12,780 --> 01:42:15,840 off if we push that thing off to near the end, because a lot of 1766 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,480 people to be honest about do not listen to the entire show. 1767 01:42:18,509 --> 01:42:21,569 Yeah, I agree. I agree. I get a lot of emails from people. I'm 1768 01:42:21,569 --> 01:42:24,659 like, can we just we just did that two weeks ago? Like how can 1769 01:42:24,659 --> 01:42:26,849 you send me this email? And yeah, I agree. A lot of people 1770 01:42:26,849 --> 01:42:29,039 don't get through the whole show. Which by the way, it's 1771 01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:33,779 okay. It's okay. And for people who listen to who'd like oh, 1772 01:42:33,779 --> 01:42:37,559 that was theirs. This is what I love this fast forward. You can 1773 01:42:37,559 --> 01:42:39,389 fast forward through something you think is boring. 1774 01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,630 I guarantee you'll be backing up. 1775 01:42:43,140 --> 01:42:51,000 I think so too. For me while this is gonna sound kind of 1776 01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,080 weird, most enjoyable, personally enjoyable. I like it 1777 01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:00,090 when I have either an article or a clip and I get praise from 1778 01:43:00,090 --> 01:43:00,450 you. 1779 01:43:01,350 --> 01:43:05,100 Yeah, I'll do that because I actually keep a running score. 1780 01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:07,950 But it's just for me but you I know you're paying attention to 1781 01:43:07,950 --> 01:43:13,320 it. And I'll and I'll score a goal for you when you hit one 1782 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,130 that is like completely catches me flat footed. I got nothing on 1783 01:43:17,130 --> 01:43:19,860 it. I got a maybe my take is even wrong, because your take is 1784 01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:23,970 better. And it's and it's interesting. And so you get I 1785 01:43:23,970 --> 01:43:27,780 saw give you a Kudo right on the spot. And it's very insincere, 1786 01:43:27,780 --> 01:43:31,740 by the way and you usually only do it when I know I can't top 1787 01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:34,020 you. You can actually come up with something that's better 1788 01:43:34,020 --> 01:43:37,770 than that where you got the kudos something really stunning, 1789 01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:41,520 but I know I've got a topper. Yeah. And so I won't give you 1790 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:42,300 the Kudo then. 1791 01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,210 So that's kind of interesting. Do we have a weird father son 1792 01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:46,320 relationship? No, no, 1793 01:43:46,620 --> 01:43:48,690 no, it says a teammate relationship where you're trying 1794 01:43:48,690 --> 01:43:52,320 to compete for that position of dominance. Okay. Yeah. I think 1795 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,530 as a team, it's a team orientation where the two guys 1796 01:43:55,530 --> 01:43:58,500 are working to to win, but you know what, you want to be the 1797 01:43:58,500 --> 01:44:01,710 guy that thinks okay, if you score the goal, you scored the 1798 01:44:01,710 --> 01:44:03,780 goal. Okay. You scored the goal. Next time. I'll score the goal 1799 01:44:03,780 --> 01:44:05,700 you prick. Yeah. Yeah, that's 1800 01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:06,660 a good analysis. 1801 01:44:06,930 --> 01:44:09,930 So Father and Son thing doesn't work that way. Because father 1802 01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:12,420 and son would be it'd be more patronizing. I'm not 1803 01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:14,760 patronizing. I'm straightforward. That's true. 1804 01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:15,360 That's true. 1805 01:44:16,020 --> 01:44:16,830 I'll give you that I 1806 01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:20,640 know how much you'd like that to be the case but no, not gonna 1807 01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:21,120 happen. 1808 01:44:21,150 --> 01:44:22,170 I don't think so. 1809 01:44:23,730 --> 01:44:28,200 I got a little thing here a little aside. I had Eric run the 1810 01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:33,180 numbers on which country listens to us and where we get most of 1811 01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:34,620 our support 1812 01:44:34,620 --> 01:44:37,770 from that's actually that is a question so and here's 1813 01:44:37,770 --> 01:44:40,710 the answer what Okay, now I'm gonna I'm gonna do it too 1814 01:44:40,740 --> 01:44:43,560 because I have the numbers and you don't so this is my rare 1815 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,020 opportunity to make you do what we do on the show quite a bit 1816 01:44:46,020 --> 01:44:49,290 which is make one the other person guests knowing full well 1817 01:44:49,290 --> 01:44:51,570 that they'll never guess it correctly. And it's just kind of 1818 01:44:51,570 --> 01:44:54,330 a stalling tactic. But guess who's number one? 1819 01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:58,530 Now is this in total amount of donation this will be both 1820 01:44:58,530 --> 01:44:58,920 donors 1821 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,130 in the amount but It's gonna go by the total amount but it's 1822 01:45:02,130 --> 01:45:05,070 this but it turns out the numbers match pretty well with 1823 01:45:05,070 --> 01:45:09,150 the one to one pretty much with the donors versus and 1824 01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:12,570 totals. I will say that the Netherlands is very high on the 1825 01:45:12,570 --> 01:45:22,230 list. Who's number one? Oh, please. Well, number one's got 1826 01:45:22,230 --> 01:45:23,910 to be America, of course 1827 01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:28,020 by a factor of nine. Yeah. All right. So now it gets 1828 01:45:28,020 --> 01:45:33,540 interesting. Number two, and I before you answer, I'm going to 1829 01:45:33,540 --> 01:45:37,740 tell you right now you're not going to get it. Australia. Oh, 1830 01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:38,640 geez. You got 1831 01:45:40,110 --> 01:45:44,490 the scars. Oh, no, I know. I knew I knew Australia had to be 1832 01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:46,140 really high. Oh, I 1833 01:45:46,140 --> 01:45:47,670 shouldn't have given you the tea's No, 1834 01:45:47,670 --> 01:45:53,130 no, I knew it. I knew this because I mean, we've had I 1835 01:45:53,130 --> 01:45:55,860 trained I track it kind of in my head. I'm like, Man, I get 1836 01:45:55,860 --> 01:46:01,440 stories. The Aussies are. They're really into us, you 1837 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,500 know, but don't mess with them. Man. These guys will mess you 1838 01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:08,520 up. And they don't like what's going on and I can almost guess 1839 01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:13,080 you know, by which country is is the most oppressed. So of course 1840 01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:17,490 America wins. And then Australia and I think the Netherlands has 1841 01:46:17,490 --> 01:46:19,530 got to be third or fourth on the list 1842 01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:21,750 for now. Actually, it Netherlands actually comes in 1843 01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:25,890 six. It goes like this United States, Australia, Canada, 1844 01:46:25,890 --> 01:46:28,710 Canada, right. Yeah, I forgot United Kingdom and Netherlands 1845 01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:31,200 UK as well. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. 1846 01:46:31,890 --> 01:46:33,630 I actually thought that Netherlands would come in a 1847 01:46:33,630 --> 01:46:39,150 little higher. But no. And a couple of the guys that the 1848 01:46:39,150 --> 01:46:41,100 reason is because the Netherlands The guys who do 1849 01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:45,240 contribute to the show from from the from Belgium, are very, 1850 01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:49,560 they're they're aggressive. Right. You know, Pels, mockers? 1851 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,500 Oh, he's in Belgium, Belgium. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Belgium comes 1852 01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:55,950 in, then it comes Germany, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, 1853 01:46:55,950 --> 01:47:04,020 Finland, Switzerland, Mexico. And then we have an anomaly with 1854 01:47:04,020 --> 01:47:06,540 Japan, which has very few people listening, but they give a lot 1855 01:47:06,540 --> 01:47:08,790 of money. And same with Hong Kong. That's where all the money 1856 01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:13,200 is. There we got Spain, Italy, France, Denmark is actually 1857 01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:16,140 higher, but they don't give any money. They're like, they're 1858 01:47:16,380 --> 01:47:17,700 cheap, cheap. 1859 01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:20,700 But damn Danes. 1860 01:47:21,420 --> 01:47:25,290 They're Danish or GrapeCity. Cheap. And then Poland, Poland, 1861 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,530 which is like, that doesn't count. They don't even the non 1862 01:47:28,530 --> 01:47:30,360 English speaking countries. It doesn't bother me. It's 1863 01:47:30,630 --> 01:47:33,960 very interesting for the amount of that's really interesting. 1864 01:47:34,290 --> 01:47:37,620 For the amount of time we spend on or have spent on stories 1865 01:47:37,620 --> 01:47:41,100 about Poland. They're way down on the list. Oh, they're way 1866 01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:43,530 down the amount of time we spending on the UK and 1867 01:47:43,530 --> 01:47:47,370 Australia. That's about right. Yeah. So and, and Canada, we 1868 01:47:47,370 --> 01:47:49,080 probably should do more on Canada. 1869 01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:51,390 Yeah, the Canadians are completely starting to complain 1870 01:47:51,390 --> 01:47:54,270 about it. And thereby and you know, it's easy enough to do I 1871 01:47:54,270 --> 01:47:56,940 mean, it's kind of hard to beat this hour has 22 minutes or 1872 01:47:56,940 --> 01:48:00,300 whatever the name of the show is that nails and constantly, we 1873 01:48:00,300 --> 01:48:03,180 got some support in Singapore. I mean, almost every countries, 1874 01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:07,770 Estonia, Dominican Republic, Malaysia, Qatar, Israel, one 1875 01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,700 person wishes that actually is the one that really surprises me 1876 01:48:11,700 --> 01:48:15,210 the most that we'd have one listener in Israel, you may be 1877 01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:20,970 blocked there for all I know could be could and Portugal with 1878 01:48:20,970 --> 01:48:25,770 me got much. You didn't get to have more from Brazil, since I'm 1879 01:48:25,770 --> 01:48:28,950 a writer there and fairly well known. But it's again, it's in 1880 01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:29,940 translation. 1881 01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:33,000 They may be writing all kinds of crap. You don't know what 1882 01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,140 they're translating it to 1883 01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,750 know the I know what they're trying to say. I've had a lot of 1884 01:48:36,750 --> 01:48:39,330 people I know a lot of Brazilians. And they one guy 1885 01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,930 said to me, once I know the translator, he's a great guy. 1886 01:48:42,930 --> 01:48:47,220 I've sat down with him and PowerPoint, like in 10 minutes. 1887 01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:48,960 The guy's fantastic. Let me 1888 01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:56,250 what was the PA? Oh, here's one that I can't answer. What are 1889 01:48:56,250 --> 01:48:59,520 the current subscriber numbers? So first of all, subscriber 1890 01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,040 numbers, since the word subscriber is a misnomer? 1891 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,560 Because we really don't know how many people listen to the show 1892 01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,010 by downloading. We absolutely just don't know that. John, how 1893 01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:13,440 often and by the way, I don't think anyone knows in 1894 01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:17,040 podcasting, what their actual real numbers are. There is so 1895 01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,370 much smoke, about numbers, 1896 01:49:20,580 --> 01:49:27,990 you'd have to guess. And what would you guess? Well, based on 1897 01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:34,650 normal direct marketing returns and the kind of money we get it, 1898 01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,090 it's hard to say I mean, it could be anywhere from 50,000 to 1899 01:49:39,090 --> 01:49:41,040 400,000. Yeah, that's 1900 01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:45,210 about the same range I'm in and it's impossible to tell from the 1901 01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:50,160 downloads. And you know, the proxies. And of course, I'm sure 1902 01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:54,420 there's a small percentage that is maybe not downloading at all, 1903 01:49:54,660 --> 01:49:58,680 listening only to the stream, there's people getting a bit 1904 01:49:58,680 --> 01:49:59,490 torrent 1905 01:50:01,110 --> 01:50:03,570 because we only have you know, in terms of pure subscribers 1906 01:50:03,570 --> 01:50:06,960 that are paying the $5, we only have about 1500 of those people. 1907 01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:12,750 We have not pushed very, very hard to do the $5 thing some 1908 01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:15,390 people done to 30 Some people say, I'm not going to do it till 1909 01:50:15,390 --> 01:50:19,080 you make it 10. And I haven't put that up. So I mean, that's, 1910 01:50:19,110 --> 01:50:21,180 you know, and then they every time they change their credit 1911 01:50:21,180 --> 01:50:23,940 card or some number, they get bounced by Pay Pal. So they 1912 01:50:23,940 --> 01:50:26,370 don't have the subscription anymore. I get letter saying, 1913 01:50:26,370 --> 01:50:28,980 Well, I sorry, but I didn't realize I haven't had a 1914 01:50:28,980 --> 01:50:32,340 subscription for six months because Pay Pal bounced it. And 1915 01:50:32,340 --> 01:50:36,330 I gotta re subscribe. Sorry, you know, they apologize. And some 1916 01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:39,030 people get bounced for no good reason. That's, you know, we 1917 01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:43,350 were not that stable, that we need more subscribers, for sure. 1918 01:50:43,410 --> 01:50:46,710 We'll push they will be pushing that, probably on the show more. 1919 01:50:46,770 --> 01:50:47,490 Okay, I've 1920 01:50:47,490 --> 01:50:51,900 two more things. One more. One is I actually would like to know 1921 01:50:52,770 --> 01:50:57,000 how you prep for the show. I think I already explained what I 1922 01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:57,300 do, 1923 01:50:57,420 --> 01:51:01,920 I don't do, I don't generally what I do is I typically take 1924 01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:07,050 the articles and things that I found. And I print them out and 1925 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:10,950 pile them up as they as they come because I get most of my 1926 01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:14,430 stuff online. And then I'm always making clips because I 1927 01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:18,060 have an h2 recorder by the by my side at all times. And I'm 1928 01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:21,540 constantly jumping up even with the full family could be 1929 01:51:21,540 --> 01:51:24,030 watching a movie or something I'm jumping up and stopping the 1930 01:51:24,030 --> 01:51:27,960 movie, backing it up and then getting a clip. And then you 1931 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,330 know, so I collect a lot of I spent most of my time collecting 1932 01:51:30,330 --> 01:51:34,530 clips and articles, and I don't organize them very well is 1933 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,960 because of the nature of the show, I've always assuming that 1934 01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,230 it's going to go anywhere, because you never know where you 1935 01:51:40,230 --> 01:51:42,900 know who's going to bring up a topic that gets interesting in 1936 01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:47,010 the conversation itself. So I show I'm probably underprepared 1937 01:51:48,150 --> 01:51:52,170 in terms of pure preparation, not in terms of the work that 1938 01:51:52,170 --> 01:51:54,960 goes into getting the clips and all and reading a lot. But in 1939 01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,940 terms of like thinking about what I'm going to do, I do 1940 01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:59,730 occasionally will take a bunch of notes early, if you watch the 1941 01:51:59,910 --> 01:52:02,550 or listen to the show, maybe a year ago, I would have these 1942 01:52:02,550 --> 01:52:05,970 notes, I used to ridicule myself for having taken terrible notes 1943 01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:09,090 I can't read. And that was a little more preparation, but I 1944 01:52:09,090 --> 01:52:11,460 find that it really hasn't didn't do anything to improve 1945 01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:16,080 the show. And it also kind of puts you if I if I prepare too 1946 01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:20,340 much, I'll try to dominate the show. And which kind of ruins 1947 01:52:20,340 --> 01:52:21,210 the pace of flow. 1948 01:52:21,929 --> 01:52:25,469 And the for me the only I do collect everything. Because I 1949 01:52:25,469 --> 01:52:28,499 find if you look at the show notes versus what we talked 1950 01:52:28,499 --> 01:52:32,129 about in the show, I mean, the show notes are often four times 1951 01:52:32,129 --> 01:52:36,149 as much information. And I think that is a valuable part of the 1952 01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:40,949 show for people to be able to go and research stuff and look at 1953 01:52:40,949 --> 01:52:44,819 things and there is a reasonable segment of the audience that 1954 01:52:44,819 --> 01:52:48,389 really uses that and appreciates it and looks at it. Some of the 1955 01:52:48,389 --> 01:52:53,369 iPhone apps give you good access to it and search ability. But 1956 01:52:53,369 --> 01:52:58,199 I'm all I'm typically always hoping, just hoping that I can 1957 01:52:58,199 --> 01:53:02,669 find from a radio production perspective. Here it is. I'm 1958 01:53:02,669 --> 01:53:05,579 hoping that there's one or two zingers that I have either it's 1959 01:53:05,579 --> 01:53:09,269 a clip or it's a story or something and I'll work on that. 1960 01:53:09,269 --> 01:53:13,589 And I cannot go to bed on a Wednesday night or a Saturday 1961 01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:16,679 night without knowing I have something and I sometimes will 1962 01:53:16,679 --> 01:53:20,669 try out my my rap on Mickey. I'll say how does this sound? 1963 01:53:21,569 --> 01:53:23,819 And usually I get shot down. Yeah, 1964 01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:26,430 I refuse to do that. I think that's overdoing it. 1965 01:53:26,460 --> 01:53:28,500 I get shot down. Good. 1966 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:33,630 So here's a quick question that somebody has for you. What 1967 01:53:33,630 --> 01:53:37,020 happened to the global blank fund? Adam was supposed to have 1968 01:53:37,020 --> 01:53:41,400 a big report on it. The what? Remember that fun. You were 1969 01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,940 talking about that? That money that was hidden during the 1970 01:53:44,940 --> 01:53:47,700 Reagan administration or something? Oh, you know? 1971 01:53:48,930 --> 01:53:51,660 Yeah, the was a French name. 1972 01:53:53,550 --> 01:53:56,700 Yeah, it was birthed from client Monday. Okay. Well, you know, 1973 01:53:56,700 --> 01:53:57,840 there's there's your answer, Brian. 1974 01:53:57,990 --> 01:54:00,990 Yeah. No. Well, I hit so many dead ends, and I just don't have 1975 01:54:00,990 --> 01:54:04,590 the time to spend my life. Yeah. And it's not going to bring 1976 01:54:04,590 --> 01:54:07,770 bring anything. It is there's there's, I guess the answer is, 1977 01:54:07,980 --> 01:54:11,040 no one has done enough reporting that at least that I could find 1978 01:54:11,070 --> 01:54:15,360 that makes it believable, believable or credible enough. 1979 01:54:15,630 --> 01:54:18,420 And the only way to really get into it is I'd have to do the 1980 01:54:18,450 --> 01:54:21,000 investigative work myself. And that's obviously not going to 1981 01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:21,390 happen. 1982 01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,290 Okay. Hugs a lot asks, what's the actual cost of producing the 1983 01:54:25,290 --> 01:54:29,130 show? Most podcasts have zero budgets and still produce shows. 1984 01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:31,380 DSC is done free? 1985 01:54:31,410 --> 01:54:35,730 No, no, it's not. That's not true. DSC is a part of what 1986 01:54:35,730 --> 01:54:38,850 these founding and sustain sustaining producers of the no 1987 01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:41,670 agenda stream donated their money for and we'll have to do 1988 01:54:41,670 --> 01:54:47,460 another drive. And you know, what is the actual cost? And 1989 01:54:47,460 --> 01:54:50,760 what does it cost you to go to work? You know, there's actual 1990 01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:55,890 costs. This is actual time it's there's preparation. Value for 1991 01:54:55,890 --> 01:54:59,820 value. That's the way it works. Time is definitely money. So is 1992 01:54:59,820 --> 01:55:03,060 it Is there actual, you know, would you like me to charge by 1993 01:55:03,060 --> 01:55:06,300 the hour? The amount of time it took me to set up the studio? 1994 01:55:06,330 --> 01:55:07,710 That's just one little thing? No, you 1995 01:55:07,710 --> 01:55:10,200 don't not sure what? Actually the question to me is vague. I 1996 01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,700 don't know what it means. dz picks asks what iPhone iPad app 1997 01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:17,940 does Adam use for the jingles sound bank, 1998 01:55:18,900 --> 01:55:28,650 I use a program called sound bite B yt e, one word sound bite 1999 01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:37,080 on the Mac. It is created made by black cat software. And I've 2000 01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:40,440 just kind of been, they essentially replicated a cart 2001 01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,530 machine, they look like cards, you can color them like you 2002 01:55:43,530 --> 01:55:46,170 would color a an A card as a cartridge, just as the old 2003 01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:50,760 school way of putting jingles into a jingle machine. And it's 2004 01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,940 pretty customizable. And what's nice about it is they released 2005 01:55:53,940 --> 01:55:57,540 an iPhone app, which I can run on the iPad, although it kind of 2006 01:55:57,540 --> 01:56:01,230 sucks because it's it runs in iPhone mode, and you kind of 2007 01:56:01,230 --> 01:56:04,170 enlarge it and it doesn't work very well. In fact, today, I 2008 01:56:04,170 --> 01:56:10,440 didn't use it at all. But normally, I do. And it brings up 2009 01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:14,820 the screen of your kart deck the way it looks on the computer 2010 01:56:14,820 --> 01:56:17,670 screen. And the only way if I had, I would prefer to have an 2011 01:56:17,670 --> 01:56:23,340 extra monitor instead of having the the iPad run that. Because I 2012 01:56:23,340 --> 01:56:25,740 use two monitors because I have a lot of stuff that I have to 2013 01:56:25,770 --> 01:56:30,120 monitor. And really what I need is I need to be able to connect 2014 01:56:30,150 --> 01:56:33,990 a third screen to my laptop. I don't think that's an easy thing 2015 01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:34,680 to do, though. 2016 01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:40,710 Okay. Here's an interesting question. You Me You I should be 2017 01:56:40,710 --> 01:56:42,900 able to answer I'm gonna have you do it if you can. I bought 2018 01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:46,200 gnokii 71. Because you said you like and how do I get the stream 2019 01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:47,280 to work on it? Can we do that? 2020 01:56:49,050 --> 01:56:53,490 There is actually in the Nokia Ovi Store, which is their 2021 01:56:53,490 --> 01:56:58,560 version of the app store. There is a just released if you go 2022 01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:03,240 there. And it's like create your own Nokia app, I think they're 2023 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:08,010 actually calling them apps, you can enter the RSS feed for no 2024 01:57:08,010 --> 01:57:12,270 agenda. And it will create an app for your phone. And then you 2025 01:57:12,270 --> 01:57:16,080 can put that on your phone. It does not do the streaming bit 2026 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:23,310 but you can get streaming programs all over the place for 2027 01:57:23,340 --> 01:57:26,190 for the Nokia. But I think it's more interesting just to be able 2028 01:57:26,190 --> 01:57:31,620 to, to make your own app for the for the for the episodes. So 2029 01:57:31,620 --> 01:57:35,340 that's how you do that. And Blackberry, by the way, also was 2030 01:57:35,340 --> 01:57:38,370 coming out they called me like yeah, we're gonna do podcasting 2031 01:57:38,370 --> 01:57:41,940 on the Blackberry. Can you log in and put in your shows for 2032 01:57:41,940 --> 01:57:47,430 your company and I put it in? No agenda, daily source code, tech, 2033 01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:52,710 five top five cranky geeks and then I got bored. So apparently 2034 01:57:52,710 --> 01:57:59,160 there's some podcasting thing on BlackBerry. So yeah. Any more 2035 01:57:59,160 --> 01:57:59,850 from the chat room? 2036 01:58:00,450 --> 01:58:03,600 This is Twitter. Let me see if there's one more here. There was 2037 01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:04,080 one hold on 2038 01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,060 one second, just got to see who's texting me. 2039 01:58:06,090 --> 01:58:11,310 Oh, my cute guy says the show's gone from a show with no jingles 2040 01:58:11,310 --> 01:58:16,620 and no talent to a glut of both. I thought that was kind of 2041 01:58:16,620 --> 01:58:20,610 unique. It's gone to a what? Do we have a glut of talent 2042 01:58:20,610 --> 01:58:24,120 apparently on the show. It's just the same two guys. Somebody 2043 01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:27,690 else asks, the show has changed a lot since its inception is the 2044 01:58:27,690 --> 01:58:31,770 same guy actually opera now? Do you prefer the new format? And 2045 01:58:31,770 --> 01:58:35,370 uh, you know, obviously we do, or wouldn't be doing it. And the 2046 01:58:35,370 --> 01:58:37,860 audience does more than the audience does, too. I mean, you 2047 01:58:37,860 --> 01:58:39,780 know, the show is, you know, has its, 2048 01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:43,230 you know, you know, I've been broadcasting long enough, you 2049 01:58:43,230 --> 01:58:46,410 always have people who say, Oh, it was much better than Oh, it 2050 01:58:46,410 --> 01:58:47,280 was better, though. 2051 01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:49,530 No, I have the same thing. As a writer, you get this I have 2052 01:58:49,530 --> 01:58:51,900 people that still say when you are writing that column for 2053 01:58:51,900 --> 01:58:55,440 InfoWorld It was much better. Yeah, I looked at those I can go 2054 01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:59,610 back and look at that old crap. And it wasn't generally 2055 01:58:59,610 --> 01:59:01,320 speaking, things improve. 2056 01:59:01,620 --> 01:59:04,980 I guess it's just, it's just the nature of the beast 2057 01:59:05,009 --> 01:59:08,279 is that it's in the nest. Algea or, you know, people at some 2058 01:59:08,279 --> 01:59:11,369 point people either like you more in time, because they hear 2059 01:59:11,369 --> 01:59:14,429 you more, they read you more, or they like you less in time, and 2060 01:59:14,429 --> 01:59:16,559 then they associate that with maybe you were doing something 2061 01:59:16,559 --> 01:59:19,679 different before generally speaking your word. 2062 01:59:20,190 --> 01:59:25,830 Alright, so wrapping this up. What's the future? Well, we 2063 01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:27,210 got another two other shows to do. 2064 01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:31,830 At least no, we have what we have at least until episode 333. 2065 01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:33,240 Well, before 2066 01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:36,990 we do another promotion like the deuce Club. Well, we got to 2067 01:59:36,990 --> 01:59:40,980 thank all the dues club members profusely, we'll do that over 2068 01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:46,650 time and on the web page. And I think you know, we not showing 2069 01:59:46,650 --> 01:59:51,120 any indication of slower growth, but people still like to show I 2070 01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,390 think the great thing and we've talked about this off off off 2071 01:59:54,390 --> 01:59:59,010 the air a lot. There's a there's so much material for us. Yeah, I 2072 01:59:59,010 --> 02:00:01,440 think the show there's only Look, there's only growth 2073 02:00:01,470 --> 02:00:04,320 because it just comes automatically. It's 2074 02:00:05,010 --> 02:00:08,670 getting worse. Yeah, they're laying everybody off the the the 2075 02:00:08,700 --> 02:00:12,690 Obama administration is getting worse. They're lying to the 2076 02:00:12,690 --> 02:00:17,820 public just straight out. You know, there's these crazy things 2077 02:00:17,820 --> 02:00:20,040 that Hill and Knowlton are doing. I mean, now that I find 2078 02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:22,470 that they're the behind all the global warming stuff, you know, 2079 02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:25,590 we're doomed, that that's gonna go through because you can't 2080 02:00:25,590 --> 02:00:29,310 stop the Hill and Knowlton. I don't know, are you? 2081 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,190 Are you worried that the show will ever get like taken off the 2082 02:00:32,190 --> 02:00:32,580 air? 2083 02:00:33,870 --> 02:00:36,720 Not seriously. But it could be it could take be taken off the 2084 02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:37,590 air. I don't think 2085 02:00:37,980 --> 02:00:41,760 this, by the way, is a huge benefit of, of our model. 2086 02:00:41,970 --> 02:00:45,330 Because if you have advertisers, that's the attack mechanism, 2087 02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:48,630 that's where your weakest when the minute someone doesn't like 2088 02:00:48,630 --> 02:00:51,810 what you say, Look at look at Imus, you know, and that's just 2089 02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:54,900 one example. The minute you go somewhere that they don't like 2090 02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:58,350 you then then the audience. For us, it's easy. The audience like 2091 02:00:58,350 --> 02:01:00,780 what we do, we get no money. It's like, okay, we can turn 2092 02:01:00,780 --> 02:01:04,350 that around in one episode, we can go, Okay, we went off the 2093 02:01:04,350 --> 02:01:07,650 track there, we can get it back on. But when your advertisers 2094 02:01:07,650 --> 02:01:10,350 pull out, then the network goes nuts. And then you're then 2095 02:01:10,350 --> 02:01:12,900 you're out of a job, you're dead. You're gone your history, 2096 02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:15,930 and you lost it. You know, there was you don't have control from 2097 02:01:15,930 --> 02:01:18,960 the get go. Yeah. And that's another reason I think the 2098 02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,410 direct support is the way to go is open source. We don't care if 2099 02:01:22,710 --> 02:01:25,110 one of the things that's great about our say, well, one of the 2100 02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,450 you know, if somebody's bootlegs, the show puts on their 2101 02:01:27,450 --> 02:01:29,730 own website takes credit for it, say they produce it, I don't 2102 02:01:29,730 --> 02:01:35,280 care. The fact is, our messages are embedded in the show. And 2103 02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,370 they it goes with us, we don't need to prove numbers, we don't. 2104 02:01:38,370 --> 02:01:43,050 So all our numbers from Arbitron came in, and we got to three, 2105 02:01:43,050 --> 02:01:46,860 three, and this is the hero Look, Mr. advertiser, give us 2106 02:01:46,860 --> 02:01:50,070 some more money. We have a better CPM, we have a certain 2107 02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:53,070 demo, they have to prove our demo. And we had to prove the 2108 02:01:53,070 --> 02:01:55,110 CPM and this and that. And the other thing, I mean, it's 2109 02:01:55,110 --> 02:01:55,650 ridiculous 2110 02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:58,110 for those days when you when you wait for the arbitrations to 2111 02:01:58,110 --> 02:02:01,440 come out in the whole station was like tiptoeing around, well, 2112 02:02:01,500 --> 02:02:05,910 we know the trends are down. So we're, How bad will it be? Or? 2113 02:02:06,269 --> 02:02:09,239 Yeah, we don't deal with any of that. We don't want to it's 2114 02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:12,569 ridiculous. And we completely independent. We don't have 2115 02:02:12,569 --> 02:02:16,109 anybody telling us what to do. We don't have advertisers 2116 02:02:16,109 --> 02:02:18,869 telling us what to do, which is the real danger here. And 2117 02:02:19,319 --> 02:02:22,739 without exception, the only way we would be taken off the air is 2118 02:02:22,739 --> 02:02:26,579 if the government or somebody sued us, or the government 2119 02:02:26,579 --> 02:02:29,309 decided to pull the PLA are they who knows I mean that but that's 2120 02:02:29,309 --> 02:02:32,069 not going to happen. We're gonna look we're below the radar. 2121 02:02:32,069 --> 02:02:36,239 We're crackpots. We believe it. We're conspiracy theory people 2122 02:02:36,269 --> 02:02:40,589 know. And maybe we'll get taxed for being conspiracy theory, 2123 02:02:40,589 --> 02:02:43,469 guys. Yeah, that's the worst thing that could happen. Well, I 2124 02:02:43,469 --> 02:02:46,169 can live well, it seems to me that Alex Jones will get taken 2125 02:02:46,169 --> 02:02:49,049 out before we do and that would be a nice warning shot. We he's 2126 02:02:49,049 --> 02:02:51,539 the he's the canary in the cage, as far as I'm concerned, even 2127 02:02:51,539 --> 02:02:53,579 though I don't think he does have to do work we do. 2128 02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:57,480 I think he has good guests. But that's a different format. 2129 02:02:58,110 --> 02:03:00,090 But no, we can't. That's another thing. That's the one question 2130 02:03:00,090 --> 02:03:04,410 we should at least before we finish. We cannot do two hours. 2131 02:03:04,740 --> 02:03:05,550 Yeah. Well, we've 2132 02:03:05,550 --> 02:03:06,300 done it again. 2133 02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:10,230 Before we finish it, you know, the people say, Well, can I be a 2134 02:03:10,230 --> 02:03:12,210 guest on your show? Do you how can we don't do this? How can we 2135 02:03:12,210 --> 02:03:14,580 don't do that? We may do some separate interview shows 2136 02:03:14,580 --> 02:03:17,100 separately that will be on the stream that will be part of some 2137 02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:20,820 other initiative. This show is what it is. It's two guys 2138 02:03:20,820 --> 02:03:24,390 talking to each other about the current events just like you do 2139 02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:27,690 in a coffee shop with your buddies is no guests. We don't 2140 02:03:27,690 --> 02:03:29,400 you when you're in the coffee shop, you know, it's a man 2141 02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:34,110 coming in to have a guest you know, so and so who just 2142 02:03:34,110 --> 02:03:37,140 finished the book. So what was your book about? This is not the 2143 02:03:37,140 --> 02:03:38,100 Larry King show, 2144 02:03:38,130 --> 02:03:43,560 right? Well, anyway, so yeah, we were going to do an hour we're 2145 02:03:43,590 --> 02:03:48,180 moving up now on what are we to have the exact recording here we 2146 02:03:48,180 --> 02:03:53,670 are at 145. Good job. Thank you again, to everyone who supports 2147 02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:58,950 no agenda, who supported this show. The deuce club thanks to 2148 02:03:58,950 --> 02:04:02,940 everyone who's out there and making websites and crazy ideas 2149 02:04:02,940 --> 02:04:09,060 and, and promoting us. It is also your show. So I could just 2150 02:04:09,060 --> 02:04:13,620 say thank you, John. Thank you. I thank you I really it's the 2151 02:04:13,620 --> 02:04:17,010 highlight of my week. Twin that happens twice a week 2152 02:04:17,670 --> 02:04:20,460 and we'll try to do these special third shows every so 2153 02:04:20,460 --> 02:04:24,900 often. And what are we gonna talk about? Well, I think we 2154 02:04:24,900 --> 02:04:29,160 talked out I'll bet we could do another two hour I 2155 02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:31,650 you know I was just about to say not a problem 2156 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,270 and in our in our spouse what do you think it's so weird that I 2157 02:04:36,270 --> 02:04:37,200 don't use headphones 2158 02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:43,020 it's it's a typical for for radio guys and 2159 02:04:43,710 --> 02:04:49,200 a typical but but I managed it because I you Is this the the 2160 02:04:50,190 --> 02:04:55,170 the pop screen? Yeah as my point of departure. And so if I keep 2161 02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:58,500 my lips within a quarter inch of the pop screen, I'm within range 2162 02:04:58,530 --> 02:04:59,490 of this microphone. 2163 02:04:59,670 --> 02:05:03,930 We're back By the way, with the last bit of this special 2164 02:05:03,930 --> 02:05:07,290 episode, and this is you can tell that we speak exactly the 2165 02:05:07,290 --> 02:05:12,750 same way off air as we do. Why do you think that's a weird? 2166 02:05:12,780 --> 02:05:13,140 Yeah. 2167 02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:17,429 That's, you know, reminds me of like, I tell people this when 2168 02:05:17,429 --> 02:05:20,429 you give them trying to give people teleprompter training 2169 02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:23,429 that. And then the funny thing is when I remember years and 2170 02:05:23,429 --> 02:05:26,999 years ago is doing some, some audio radio thing of some sort. 2171 02:05:26,999 --> 02:05:30,089 And I was reading advertising copy. And there was just a 2172 02:05:30,089 --> 02:05:33,389 moment where the read became my actual voice. 2173 02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:37,050 Oh, and that's when you get the gig, obviously. And you go, Oh, 2174 02:05:37,050 --> 02:05:37,260 my 2175 02:05:37,260 --> 02:05:42,510 God, that sounds so cool. Yeah, sounds actually natural. Now, by 2176 02:05:42,510 --> 02:05:44,940 the way, there's one thing I did want to mention that in the 2177 02:05:44,940 --> 02:05:48,030 first half is this. stammering I do all the time, I think is 2178 02:05:48,030 --> 02:05:50,790 annoying. Thank God, people don't bitch about it. 2179 02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:53,670 I don't notice that at all. Yeah, well, I 2180 02:05:53,670 --> 02:05:54,930 do when I hear myself. 2181 02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:58,920 Well, you know, everyone has, there's a lot of stuff I don't 2182 02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:00,330 like about how I talk. 2183 02:06:01,740 --> 02:06:07,140 Now, you sound a lot better than I do. Anyway. So I think this is 2184 02:06:07,500 --> 02:06:09,750 pretty much wraps this show up? Well, just 2185 02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:13,800 wanted to say they're the format. We're not the format. If 2186 02:06:13,800 --> 02:06:20,160 anything, the show has kind of developed a format. That for me, 2187 02:06:20,220 --> 02:06:24,450 you know, there there there is a change, which was driven more by 2188 02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:28,170 the world around us. And when I say the world, I mean, the media 2189 02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:33,510 world, is that now that there's less than less news, actually 2190 02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:41,340 being presented in, you know, in on in the mainstream media. I 2191 02:06:41,340 --> 02:06:45,000 think that both of us have have taken it upon ourselves to work 2192 02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:49,170 much harder, had actually finding, you know, new doors. I 2193 02:06:49,170 --> 02:06:51,690 mean, we're doing more uncovering, and I mean, I 2194 02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:54,690 jokingly call myself a government legislation analyst. 2195 02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:57,690 Did you get the email from the guest says that was redundant. 2196 02:06:58,830 --> 02:07:01,590 No, I don't or I haven't seen it yet. Oh, yeah. Well, a 2197 02:07:01,590 --> 02:07:05,370 guy says, what could you call yourself that all legislation is 2198 02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:08,190 government legislation, or it can't be called legislation? So 2199 02:07:08,190 --> 02:07:10,530 you're being redundant. You shouldn't be calling yourself an 2200 02:07:10,530 --> 02:07:12,870 independent legislation analyst. 2201 02:07:12,900 --> 02:07:15,120 No, there's something that doesn't sound good at cocktail 2202 02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:18,390 parties. When you say insulation analyst. Yeah, no, 2203 02:07:18,420 --> 02:07:22,890 I'm just telling you, you need to realize it's redundant. Now, 2204 02:07:22,890 --> 02:07:26,340 yeah, I think that will you've done a lot more reading of deep 2205 02:07:26,340 --> 02:07:30,630 reading and gotten into reading legislation. I had not gone that 2206 02:07:30,630 --> 02:07:35,760 way I have. I'm more. I'm still flipped, floundering in some of 2207 02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:36,210 this stuff. 2208 02:07:36,210 --> 02:07:39,240 No, I disagree. Because you're doing something interesting. 2209 02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:41,700 You're especially the last couple of shows. You've been 2210 02:07:41,700 --> 02:07:44,970 tuning into a lot of foreign media sources. Still English 2211 02:07:44,970 --> 02:07:46,260 spoken in general? 2212 02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,590 Yeah, I have gone to the foreign sources. And then, because 2213 02:07:49,590 --> 02:07:51,660 that's the only thing I've been able to do where I'll bring 2214 02:07:51,660 --> 02:07:53,580 these stories up. And you haven't heard in, which proves 2215 02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:56,940 my point, that these stories are not getting out there yet. Some 2216 02:07:56,940 --> 02:07:59,160 of these stories are interesting, like the Cambodian 2217 02:07:59,670 --> 02:08:00,240 child, 2218 02:08:00,450 --> 02:08:03,900 it hits CNN, no, actually, me. Yeah, 2219 02:08:04,110 --> 02:08:07,290 we that's another thing we we've done over we since the Red Book 2220 02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:10,050 began. And actually even before that, people are finally 2221 02:08:10,050 --> 02:08:12,720 realizing that we're way ahead of the curve on some of these 2222 02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:14,610 stories are way ahead of the curve. 2223 02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,340 Well, yeah, just look at drones. I mean, I think I don't think it 2224 02:08:17,340 --> 02:08:20,160 was in 205. That I can't remember. But I know we were 2225 02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:25,320 talking about drones as far back as 2010. And it kind of creeps 2226 02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:27,990 up on you. And sometimes just gotta remind myself like, man, 2227 02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:31,170 we've been talking about this for so long. And we were joking 2228 02:08:31,170 --> 02:08:36,240 about drones overhead. Now it's mainstream conversation. Just 2229 02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:37,680 mainstream conversation. 2230 02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:42,240 So let's wrap this one up, give people a heads up on the next 2231 02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:47,580 show. And then we hope they'll keep helping us here. Yes, with 2232 02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:52,440 the donations to even though we're not live. We are live to 2233 02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:52,920 tape. But it's 2234 02:08:53,429 --> 02:08:57,869 and we're going to be back for a brief intro live to tape for 2235 02:08:57,869 --> 02:09:02,909 Sunday show, which will be a compilation of episodes 381 2236 02:09:02,909 --> 02:09:09,209 through 84 through 384. A lot about pipelines, which is lane, 2237 02:09:09,239 --> 02:09:12,629 which is kind of good because our general theory has not 2238 02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:19,319 changed that the world is pretty much about oil, and drugs. And 2239 02:09:19,319 --> 02:09:19,589 that's 2240 02:09:19,799 --> 02:09:24,269 if it fits all the storms, arms, good hips, get some play. Yeah, 2241 02:09:24,299 --> 02:09:26,279 yeah. That Well, drugs and arms. 2242 02:09:26,549 --> 02:09:34,979 Then there's that. Yeah, so tomorrow, I will be a married 2243 02:09:34,979 --> 02:09:35,279 man. 2244 02:09:36,300 --> 02:09:37,230 Congratulations. 2245 02:09:37,260 --> 02:09:40,560 Thank you so much. And as always, we appreciate all the 2246 02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,170 support from all of our producers around Gitmo nation. 2247 02:09:43,470 --> 02:09:46,980 We'll be back with the as I said with the special the pipeline 2248 02:09:46,980 --> 02:09:50,730 special on Sunday. Until then, in the morning, everybody. I'm 2249 02:09:50,730 --> 02:09:51,360 Adam curry, 2250 02:09:51,990 --> 02:09:54,450 and from Northern Silicon Valley am John C. Dvorak. 2251 02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:17,070 devora.org/n A